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If we could please mark her down as

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excused.

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We have minutes to approve.

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First order of business is the approval of the following minutes. City council budget workshop May 30, 630 p.m. City council budget workshop June 5, 630 p.m. City council regularly meeting June 7, 630 p.m.

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Or move by the Vice President, or the approval of the Minister one through eight, and supported by

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Consumant Martin Bianco. Do any discussion on the Minutes?

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All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed.

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Yes, have it.

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Next we will move into administrative report. Is there administrative report?

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Yes, Mr. President. I'm here on behalf of the mayor tonight.

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And really all I have is we can go through the agenda, you'll see items 2 and 3 attorney billing, item 4, Mr. Scytterius here to speak about that.

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Item 5 is the part of the purchase agreement that we had in regard to burden of states,

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the VIP holdings,

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kind of first-order refusal on that. They're exercising and they're attempting to exercise that.

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On the particular parcel mentioned, I can answer any questions from Council discussion.

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And the number six is the franchise ordinance with consumers energy.

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You passed that once before there were some errors with consumers.

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And so consumers is asking you to re-approve this. There are no substantive changes,

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but there are some minor changes in wording.

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That's all I have.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next, we'll move in committee reports.

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Any committee's to report?

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Mr. Smith.

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The firm vice-mission grant last week.

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And a couple things on that.

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asked the administration, remember, about a lot of users out.

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There's a central business system, or you know, about 15 users,

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you know, expecting it to be on the agenda, maybe it's not for whatever reason.

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But with a being so long, I've asked the administration to try to get that to you.

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And hopefully, we can advance, we get to go through it.

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I'm sure you have a really great job with it, but I'm sure you don't want to work the end of time, and I guess we'll need to speak.

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So I just wanted to put that up there for the record.

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The second thing is, I've been given permission to use the name, I've been bird, also

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at the same French mission meeting, Kevin brought up, and I wanted to forward the council

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for their thoughts and views.

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somewhat of what we do here, but the point of mission share has to let me make sure

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that the points will be similar to what you do.

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That's what we have there.

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And I'd like to give it to Kevin.

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I think we should make a good sense of the opposite of a ceremonial thing, but maybe we should

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tend our stipend to the person that years the share of the point of mission.

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And it gives a consideration for the zoning as well.

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But there's people there right now, I'm going to have to be, who else be chair? No, I don't want you to.

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You don't have to work.

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So I think it'd be something that we could look at and I'm going to,

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something to say, hey, we appreciate what you're doing through the city and we realize that you're doing some work.

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So I wanted to show that out there tonight, you can see it's the best of the time to talk about that.

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Thank you Mr. President.

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Thank you Mr. Smith.

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And you would also include the Parks and Rec and on that, also.

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It's commission also.

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We're talking 10 bucks.

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Why do people want to be chair and advice to you?

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There's all of you just don't work.

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Thank you, sir.

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Anything else on the committee reports?

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Mr. Welles.

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Give me a heads up.

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I'm having a meeting with Mr. Slattery.

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Thursday on our LED committee.

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Nice. We're going to start getting rolling on that. So yeah, and I and the people from RSC are going to meet Thursday morning and then the next week

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We'll have another meeting and then we'll have a meeting of our committee together and see what we come up with

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That's great. Thank you, sir any more committees to report

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Mr. Martin.

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Bianca, did you get a chance to look over that ordinance that I emailed you?

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I did not

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If you want to settle legislative meeting

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So that, yeah, the first and the next month, I'll set the meeting in the moment, try to do it.

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This is expeditiously as we can't answer that.

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Thank you, sir. Thank you.

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Any more committees to report?

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Now we'll move to audience participation.

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Now it's the time set aside from members of the audience to address the Burton City Council.

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I would ask each individual to give their name and address for the record.

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limit your comments at three minutes and speak on top extra main to city

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business, anyone wishing to dress a comment? Yes ma'am.

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My name

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is Deborah Jackson. I live at 1361 Wells. I've lived in Burton, Michigan,

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my entire life. I have made complaints about things going on. There's been driveways

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to have to call the police, cars, parked right up to the intersection, looking like junkyards, a garbage dump across the street,

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complaints have been filed, letters have been mailed to the mayor, and I'm getting no response.

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If that's the time to stuff you want, Burton Burton's going to be going down the hill, just like it's going.

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But if it's being reported, we need somebody to help back us up. It's not just me.

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It's people in the whole area that are having problems with the same people and the repeat

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offenders.

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But things are, the cults are not being enforced.

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Right now, you can go to 1361, Carmen.

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There's a junk motorcycle black in the sidewalk.

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I thought that was for kids to get back and forth to school, but nothing will be done.

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Why?

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Can anybody answer me that?

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Anyone else? Yes,

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sir.

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Jerry Cross.

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I live up in, uh,

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General C. Township.

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I'm just here to introduce myself.

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I'm running for General C. County Commissioner.

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I won the primary, so I'll be going up against Ellen.

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Just want to let you know if you want to get hold of me.

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Discuss any issues or anything.

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I'm here. I can give you my card after the meeting.

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Can we get your address for the record, please?

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G3426 Branch Road and that's infant.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else was address the council?

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Yes, they're in the back.

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McFew's 1072 Forest.

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I don't remember three.

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It's early billing.

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It has to concern with the city clerk.

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I'll meet more dollars of mine.

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The citizens of the city of Burton.

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I'm going to spend to resolve this issue.

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So I'm pleased to send in the letter here part of month ago,

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that we have a perfectly capable person here that can do that job.

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Now, for sure you all know who I'm talking about,

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is very clear in stating that she was well educated and

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field. She can handle elections.

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Why are we given who this position?

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Why are we still going around around on this issue?

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First, I think we've got enough of our taxpayers money on this issue.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else was in a dress council?

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Anyone else?

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Seeing none will close audience participation?

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And move it to council discussion?

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Anything for the council?

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Present for you?

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Mr. Smith.

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Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon.

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Well, answers.

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I can tell you what's happened to date.

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I just recently was brought to my attention about this situation, I've had some conversations

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both internally and with the code enforcer and actually in Mr. Wells called me about

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the situation as well.

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So I went today and had pulled up a violation summary.

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She's correct, there definitely was a problem, there was a complaint, the official complaint

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was filed on 712 of 18 and it says junk vehicles and or junk in debris all vehicles must be

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plated operable and not an approved driveway surface in 10 days any vehicle in violation

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will be towed.

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Further it goes down to say on 716 of 18 put the 10 day notice in a door

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with note, grass is not in a proof surface, any vehicles in violation will be told on 726

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of 18 at your expense. I will return on 726 of 18.

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So there was some movement according

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to the notes that, you know, shovel some things around, got rid of a few vehicles, moved

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around the ones that, and I'm only going by what I have here, but what Frank tells me

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is, and then it goes on to say, he tagged seven vehicles to be towed on eight three.

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When he went back, they still weren't either plated or in an appropriate place.

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goes on to say on 8, 3, of 18, Mr. Schaefer came into the DPW on 8, 2, of 18, and asked for an

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extension.

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All vehicles are off the grass, and all plates are updated on the vehicles, asked for a

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10 day extension to remove.

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I'm taking this to the Volkswagen VW, check back on 8, 13, of 18.

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On 8, 13 of 18, Mr. Schaefer came into the D.P.W. to get a permit for a six-foot-high privacy

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fence.

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I spoke with him and told him that he had to get the car off the grass immediately.

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And the improper, incomparable vehicle must be put in the garage.

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He said he would have had it done today, on 8, 14, a 14, drove by in the morning.

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He had three cars in the approach of the driveway.

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There was still some junk in the yard, but he had eight to nine bags of yard waste and a curb line full of garbage for the garbage went to pick up.

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I wrote a ticket to give Mr. Shafer.

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He came into the office and abort told him he could not park his vehicles there because they blocked the view and had to get them out of the junk out of the right away.

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By today on 1815, 1815 all vehicles that are left on the property are plated and operable and are on an approved driveway surface.

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The junk has been cleaned up, leave the complaint open, until the fence has been completed.

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Check again in 10 days on 825 of 18.

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So that's where we're at.

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Every time we've been there, apparently Frank said he was a little slow to get moving.

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He finally did start to move some stuff around.

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Got rid of some vehicles, put one or two that he said he was working on in his garage.

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According to this, and I'm just briefed on this, and the other ones were on an approved

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surface in front, checked them for tags, and that they were operable.

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He had to show them that they were operable and tagged in an appropriate location.

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He asked, now the fence wasn't a requirement on our part, but he did say he was going to put

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a privacy fence around his yard, came in and pulled a fence permit.

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Today I don't know if that's done yet, but he did get a fence permit to put a privacy fence

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around the remaining things so in Frank's estimation from what I'm gathered based on this document

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and what the brief conversation he had made some improvements he still got a ways to go

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but he is making improvements slowly. I don't know I can only tell you what I've been briefed on

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in what the document is here for me today on those dates. Thank you. Thank you.

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Mr. President, Mr. Chairman, good evening. Glad you're here because you're the man I want to talk to.

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Good evening, Council. The last legislative meeting we had, the team approved me giving you the proposed salary ranges for the charter five.

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That's true.

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Two years old.

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Yes.

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You were going to take him back.

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And administration had not had a chance to look at those.

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And you had some different peer groups that I had.

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I had some dated ones, but I think that they were directionally correct.

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I just wonder how we're progressing on the review and your input on that.

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You would also want to some additional information so that we were comparing or somebody on the committee did.

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So we were comparing benefits and other things.

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I didn't, I don't think we'd actually approve that.

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I think it was just a salary part because some of this stuff

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when you have different entities, then you open up a real trick bag

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because people have been given benefits and lieu of salary increases

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and I think we need to stick just with the salary and go from there. That's what I think we need to do.

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Okay, I know we were still working on that other information and that's why we haven't brought it out.

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I didn't answer that. I'd like to have that salary range, Mr. Martin Bianco,

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has said that he's going to be calling a legislative meeting first month, sir.

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First of all, yes. You can absolutely go ahead with that.

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You'll be on that agenda, also, Mr. Martin Bianco.

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That's appreciated.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Next item.

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About a month ago, I asked to have the update of the five-year forecast, including both

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Enterprise funds.

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We spent quite a bit of money on software, and we've finalized the budget.

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Made all the changes.

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They need to be plugged in.

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And again, I would hope at a more reasonable time that I asked

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last year to be eight months to get it.

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I hope I get it sooner than that.

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So there's another formal request on the five-year forecast

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including both enterprise funds.

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Last but not least, I don't know exactly the date,

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but it was right after the first the year,

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Plant and Rand gave us a report on an internal review.

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And at that time, the council set a six-month window

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for them to come back and give us an update report because they were going to do that.

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I think we passed the six months.

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Over a second, 7 p.m.

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Okay, terrific.

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Are you saying that?

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No, no, it's not that tonight.

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Okay, perfect.

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Okay, you get out of that one, Mr. Hammond.

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So you only have two to deal with.

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So thank you, Mr. Hammond.

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Thank you, Mr. Hammond.

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Thank you, Mr. O'Keefe.

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Any more council discussion?

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Mr. President, Mr. Wells.

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I just want to let Mr. Jackson and other people that are commenting on the city council page.

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We have a big turnover at the city of Burton right now.

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And I know you can't do anything about it.

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Obviously, we can't either.

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We're running on a skeleton crew.

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And our priorities right now are making sure our roads are fixed.

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So we're moving away from your house in the right direction.

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Our water is coming into your house in the right direction.

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Police are out there.

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And if you just have some patience with us,

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and listen, you were very patient.

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And thank you for the call and the conversation

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and for showing up tonight.

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That's the final word right there.

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You came, you told us, it's like you said you would.

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Most people don't do that.

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complain and complain and complain and they don't come forward and say hey you know thanks

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for taking care of it. We got a lot going on here in the city right now and Mr. Abbey's

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flattery's hands are overflowing and honestly they're doing a good job with what they've

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got to work with.

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So just bear with us, bear with us, we can just take care of and we'll

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with the right way. Well, we'll always do the right thing in the end. So just want to let

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you know that and anybody else that's out there. We're trying to get some more people involved

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and try or some people, but they got to be the right people. We can't just hire a well in LA and

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and hope it works out. So hang in there. Thank you, Ms. President. You Mr. Wells. Amanda? That ordinance

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to you wrote up for the newspapers?

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Could you forward that on to the clerk's office?

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So, Mr. Mark Bianco causes legislative meeting

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that she can forward it to the legislative committee?

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I certainly will.

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If I haven't, I believe I sent it to the mayor's office,

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but I will certainly sent out for that to Ms. Bixby.

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Okay. Thank you.

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What we're talking about, junk cars,

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Ellen Street,

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in between Grand Travers, and

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Saginaw Street, don't have the address.

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You can't miss it, there's like 20 or 30 cars in the

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Shard, and that's no exaggeration.

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Where'd me?

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Real close,

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is there that many there?

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What can we do about it?

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I think while that, in summary, grandfathers,

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was not a good fact, so it is not.

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You start to run into the house of the city block.

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You make clear

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the fire that

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is all.

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You can handle the parents' tickets.

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I don't think you can

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just put that.

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I can get that.

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All right, as long as you're on top of it, I'm good.

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Do you have any way to add

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to the arch?

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I hope a man to plug your ears, but you know what,

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attorneys are in their opinions.

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It's

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a solid rule

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of mind that you've decided to hold in years, and it's a model that's

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all of your tracks, but you now have less than that to you than 20,

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which is the question.

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Thank you, sir.

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Mr. Jackson, if you get with Mr. Clattery at the end, Mr. Abbey in the middle, or you're

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Mr. Hammond right there, one of them three can help you,

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and actually Mr. Hammond's

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probably your best bet.

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He makes things happen.

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Any more counsel discussion?

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President?

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Mr. Smith.

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I give this a lot of thought.

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I believe we need to reach this question.

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I do not know what there was.

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There was a mystery in it between administration and the council on the budget issue.

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And also there's a combination of things between the core of the court.

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the labor training with contract negotiations.

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We've been spending a lot of money on the legal.

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$10,000 here, $10,000 in there to get out.

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And I do feel we owe the residents and accountability

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as to how this money being spent.

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Right now, I couldn't tell you what was cost of that budget.

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issue. And I think we owe that to the residents to explain it. We don't have to be held

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a combo for action. We'll see a administration in a combo. Two parties, we both have

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agreement, this agreement. So we shouldn't know what that would cost us. And the residents

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shouldn't know. And I can't give them an answer right now.

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The other thing is, is we

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That's, hopefully, as a one-time issue, we spend a lot of money and we go, and I was looking

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again at the expense of this again and that's not the change of that, but no one knows.

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No one really knows what that cost us and that make it go back into the budget.

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It means we find out what if it's a one-time thing, we don't know what it is, or something

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you know.

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I just missed it, so I don't know.

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I would like to ask the administration to please provide me or the council, the bill, so I can pull all up and I can share with the residents.

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For all, we're all guilty, the administration of the guilty, the council of the guilty, we couldn't come to a neutral decision without going to court.

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We owe it to these people, but that cost.

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I'm going to ask the administration to mean the council to read that and it is providing me with the invoices

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and for government and the green filter if I can add it all up and I'll share it with the council.

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They should go out there.

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Then we should know what we don't have to say.

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Those invoices are all available.

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I asked you to provide them to us.

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If they have the council.

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So, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to look with, actually, invoices going back to

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controllers office as now.

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The start of the litigation to the end, the coffee's on it.

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Good, the Maxwell bundle.

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And you're tuning, I'll take it in there.

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Do you also want the, you know, someone who's doing this?

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No.

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But you only want it as it replaced the litigation involving the mayor over the budget.

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For example, what's under tonight is nothing to do with litigation.

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And, yeah.

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No, no, no, I'm talking about the Belzer Bill that's on there tonight.

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Yeah, no, that's a different thing.

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Yeah, that's just a pretty cool.

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That's clerk related.

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He's talking about the lawsuit, the mayor filed against the council.

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Brian?

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Brian, but these people should know what they're called.

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We should know what they're called.

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You don't know?

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Yeah, I disagree that you don't know, but we can certainly provide that information.

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I haven't seen the invoices, but I'm sure we've approved them, but I don't where they're at that.

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I think they were putting them in some other stuff, so I'm looking for the invoices from a green color.

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Okay.

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From the start, and for teens, the budget, it's a green.

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And so we ought to be able to be able to be able to.

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Yeah, I just, that's fine.

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I just disagree with the premise that we're not, that they weren't available.

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Well, I asked you, I need to know, like, just to me that it worked and asked you for

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them.

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How about what line item they were paid out of?

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I was just more interested in seeing, you've been adding $10,000 here, $10,000

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there, and I don't know how much of what.

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Yeah, just to be clear, I can go back and look at the record.

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I don't think we've been adding $10,000 here and there for the bells or the green

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Well, we don't know that all we know is we start out for the budget of $60,000, I could think of

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these $2,000 increase, so that's $80,000.

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Okay, I don't want to be labor to this.

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I'll get you the information.

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Okay, I mean, if you guys are comfortable, fine, but I have to.

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Well, no, I agree with you.

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I think we need to see that.

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I do have a question.

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I have number three on here specifically breaks out,

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it looks like Elzer and Council President, Bertrand Billing.

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So I guess my question referencing this one is when it came to, at several times,

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How come that wasn't appeared on the agenda?

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How come we were voting on that?

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So how come this one would appear and to be approved by Council?

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But when all that stuff was going out of the green

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Father personal attorney of the mayor's, that would never show up

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by the agenda.

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Can you explain the differences?

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To me, why one would appear in one would?

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Sure.

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The bells are bill was on there.

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As a courtesy to council, because council hired Mr. Bells

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the mayor, higher Mr. Greenfeller, and we're involved in lift.

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And so those determination made that didn't need to come before council. In addition, with regard to this billing specifically, if you

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made that determination.

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The mayor did

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July 6 of 2017, when you hired Mr. Bellzer,

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you hired Mr. Bellzer and I'm

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going to see if I can get the action item ready to use specifically.

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Motion to hire Attorney Jack Bellzer to represent the Burton City Council in any litigation

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in which the City Attorney cannot represent the Council due to conflict of interest.

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So, in regard to these, you know, this is your call not ours, but in regard to this particular

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building, for consultations with the Council, President Reference, the issue with the clerk,

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I don't believe there was any question of there ever being a conflict of interest.

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In fact, the court gave an opinion, I'm sorry, the city attorney gave an opinion on the

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office. Certainly there was no conflict of interest there. You also had an opinion from Mr.

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Ledford. So I'm not sure that that building, and again, this is Council's call. I'm not sure

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that that building was actually, Mr. Bell's was actually even authorized under your authorizing

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action in July of 2017.

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This

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makes sense, I mean, but in all fairness, our attorney also gives an opinion on the budget issue to win it up going all the way up heels court on it, so

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But you took action to do that

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And then I know I understand what you're reading

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Each year again

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We got the first bills around $25,000 at the very start

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Then we never saw another bill

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And green goes on

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I have no idea

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What it was

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We got the bells and bells

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It's like the toll between $1,000 and $1,000, $1,000, $1,000.

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Didn't we have to FOIA that bill to get it?

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If I remember correctly, I'd be proud to do that.

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This we should know, we should know what the cost was,

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and so these people can know.

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And we should know the budget reasons,

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but I have the transparency.

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Nobody at this table or the mayor object to that

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and to you having access to any invoices for any bill

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I do certainly have that right.

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Well, I'd expect the meeting of the time for you.

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Thor, we'll get into you by the next meeting.

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Thank you.

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I think we'd all like copies of that.

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Yeah, they all should know.

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I mean, we're all involved.

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You all should know.

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That's the thing.

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We'll make them available.

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Any more calls to discussion?

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One more thing, Mr. President.

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Mr. Walls.

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We had a nice presentation a couple weeks ago about water rate studies, and during that

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presentation, it was alluded to $1.1 million in the red in the water department and it

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happened to coincide with the water lines that we put in over off of Hempel Road.

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Do you have anything from the state of Michigan that said that they were going to pass back

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for that?

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No, what I do have is they're not going to pay us back for door-to-door water, but I read the letter correctly.

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Actually, you can read that thing as well as I have it.

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I can said some light on the situation on shine and monomony, if that's essentially what we're talking about.

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So we had a meeting with several lawmakers, including Senator Antoneck,

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Representative, a snow or a representative from Pam Ferris's office, and Representative Nili.

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I think that comes for everyone who is there. We have another meeting.

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The Mayor and I on Wednesday, in Lansing with State Treasurer Nick Corey to address this issue.

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And some other folks coming, I can't remember who, but I don't get Cory, I'll be there.

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And we're continuing to push to get that reimbursement or at least some of it.

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I guess the crux of my question is,

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how could you guys avoid it to do that job if you didn't have something

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in writing from the State to begin with? Well, our residents were drinking poison.

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Okay? And our number one priority is council people. This is a safety and welfare of our residents.

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Okay? So we had to do whatever it took to take the poison out of their house and give them fresh clean water.

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And they were getting clean water from the state. This part of being on the water line.

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And on the water line, reconnected, ran water there.

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And I agree that they, I wanted them hooked up to the Burton water line, so we could, you

474
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,100
know, they should be a part of Burton water line. They're a Burton customers.

475
00:35:58,820 --> 00:36:02,480
But until you knew you were going to get, until you had something in writing that you

476
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,240
were going to get $1.1 million back, I don't know how you could have forward with that

477
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,300
project. It's mind-blowing to me.

478
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:13,800
When it comes to poisoning children,

479
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,720
people not being able to bathe in their own homes,

480
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,420
we have some tough choices to bathe.

481
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:23,500
We all, all seven of us at the time agreed

482
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,220
that we need to do something.

483
00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:28,300
But we did it.

484
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:30,480
If I didn't.

485
00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:31,720
Why didn't you?

486
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,240
I mean, if that was truly the case,

487
00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:38,320
why would the state not have just come forward and say,

488
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,920
We were told we were going to get everything flint got.

489
00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:46,940
The flint didn't offer door to door water deliveries.

490
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,740
That's why we're not getting paid back from that.

491
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,320
We may get paid back for the rest of it.

492
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,300
Well, we did get some of the money back for the door to door deliveries

493
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,320
and some of the time that we put in.

494
00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:07,860
But you're right, the governor's office assured us that we would be included.

495
00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:13,860
Not just the city of Burton, but all effected a resonance when they redress the issues in the costs

496
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:23,800
and are associated with the in Flint that if you will, the greater Flint area to include Burton and other communities would be part of that settlement.

497
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:25,580
And that's what we're fighting for.

498
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:32,960
I'm still going to take some work, but I'm reasonably confident that we have the right players in the room and meeting with the State Treasurer.

499
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,460
I think I'll be helpful as you know.

500
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,320
Also happens to hail from Burton.

501
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:39,380
Cruisley.

502
00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:40,780
Cruisley.

503
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:41,500
Right.

504
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:42,200
Yes.

505
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:42,980
Yes.

506
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:44,020
Yes.

507
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:44,240
I'd

508
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,160
like to get some updates on that.

509
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:49,780
Mr. Hammond.

510
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:52,360
As you get them, I'd like to see what's going on down there.

511
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,060
I'm going to talk to Mr. Ann and I to myself and see if he can push for it.

512
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,700
I mean we can't afford to give away 1.1 million dollars.

513
00:38:00,340 --> 00:38:00,460
Right.

514
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,220
And I think anybody, you know, any member of the council, we would welcome any

515
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:07,000
input or any influence that you can

516
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:13,340
consider it with any of our lawmakers to help get us that money.

517
00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:14,800
We had to do it over again today.

518
00:38:14,980 --> 00:38:16,230
I would vote the exact same way.

519
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:21,260
We've been to for not the go-of-one, or the trip back.

520
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:27,350
Well, there was a conversation that you just said, Mr.

521
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:31,930
Haven, that the state who did burden for the reimbursement program,

522
00:38:32,290 --> 00:38:35,610
everything else for it, and whether it was in writing or not,

523
00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:40,030
there was some kind of correspondence that was read to us about the state backing us

524
00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:43,550
and everything else. Obviously, we had checking the end or anything like that.

525
00:38:43,710 --> 00:38:46,950
But then we went ahead and moved forward with project and all of the states.

526
00:38:47,070 --> 00:38:50,150
One, we backing out of what they said they would do for us.

527
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:58,310
One hundred percent correct. And there were things in writing and I can tell you that Mr.

528
00:38:58,410 --> 00:39:04,170
Beard from the governor's office and others at the state level, including our state lawmakers,

529
00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:08,090
have a thick packet of the correspondence between the administration and the

530
00:39:08,090 --> 00:39:10,090
lengthy excitation, somebody done the way out now, so

531
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,660
we did use some CDBG money for

532
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:18,640
that also, didn't we?

533
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,200
The 135,000 wasn't it?

534
00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:23,660
Yes.

535
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,520
I don't like that.

536
00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:31,160
The real issue is the guy should have known by now, not the trust

537
00:39:32,060 --> 00:39:32,540
politicians.

538
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,040
Spread it.

539
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,480
Get it?

540
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,020
You're okay.

541
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:44,880
And then your butts are covered.

542
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,580
I agree with the comments that you made, you know, again, today versus when we passed

543
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:55,960
this, there's a whole different story, and especially all our phones were ringing off the

544
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:56,120
hall.

545
00:39:56,660 --> 00:40:00,360
People were here, and again, it was the right thing to do with the right time.

546
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,040
What I do with the same way today.

547
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:03,000
Yeah, I think I would.

548
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:11,340
However, I did, if you remember, Voice of Concern, that Flint seems to be getting all the

549
00:40:11,340 --> 00:40:16,840
timeline on this thing. And again, I just hope that, you know, if we do this, that we're

550
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,160
not forgotten about, and if you remember, uh, Madam Attorney, I spoke to you about the

551
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:27,160
liability that these folks are supposedly going to be protected years from now, especially

552
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:32,720
children, if they have some problems or something like that. That's the part I was concerned

553
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,860
about. I'm still concerned about that. But I'm just a human. I think you guys are on the right

554
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:42,900
course, I think, play nice right now and try to go to the right people and I think you're

555
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:43,460
doing that.

556
00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:49,760
However, at the end game, if we don't get this, I think we need to go to the press and say,

557
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,300
hey, Burton Michigan is on the same map as Flint, Michigan is.

558
00:40:54,900 --> 00:41:00,240
And we're a very small community that has some definitely some financial difficulties.

559
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:06,560
And we popped a million one to fix our neighborhood up that had to be fixed.

560
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,020
There was no question about that, and now we're being hung out to dry.

561
00:41:10,700 --> 00:41:17,040
So I think I would play nice now, but when we get to that point where things aren't going

562
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,940
the way we think they should be, I think that's when we take the gloves off.

563
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Well, so let me talk about taking the gloves off briefly.

564
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,140
So we made a very clear to the Genesee County delegation that we want to play nice on this.

565
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:58,700
We want to explain to the state that there was a very, what in the best, in the best frame there was a misunderstanding, the letter that we got, denying us this money, said that, well, you guys have planned to do it anyway as part of the DWF program, that is absolutely false, we made that very very clear, we couldn't have done it, it wasn't our infrastructure to begin with.

566
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:09,820
In terms of being nice and then playing hardball, we also made it clear to the delegation that we'd like to do it through them this way if possible.

567
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:12,460
That's why we got the meeting with Treasurer Curry.

568
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:22,700
However, we also made it clear that there are other things on the table, including leveraging the media and including possible litigation.

569
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:32,940
If it came to that, we are not very yet, but those are certainly things that are in our, in our, in our, you know, in our ability to exercise.

570
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,680
On your right, on track.

571
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:38,780
Thank you, Mr. O'Keefe.

572
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:39,840
Anything else from the council?

573
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,380
Hearing none, we'll move into council action.

574
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,140
They didn't want to move in all the authority as attorney billing Doyle.

575
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:52,160
731, 2018.

576
00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:56,080
by the Vice President supported by Constance Smith.

577
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:57,240
Any discussion?

578
00:42:58,820 --> 00:43:00,020
All the role, please?

579
00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:02,480
Mr. Haskins. Mr. Hepner.

580
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:04,220
Yes. Mr. Martin Mianko.

581
00:43:04,860 --> 00:43:05,340
Yes. Mr. Wells.

582
00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:06,580
Yes. Mr. O'Keefe.

583
00:43:06,620 --> 00:43:07,780
Yes. Mr. Smith.

584
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:08,920
Yes. Motion carried.

585
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,180
Item two.

586
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,140
Who can authorize payment to attorney billing and misoode?

587
00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:15,020
I want.

588
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,440
By the Vice President.

589
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:19,140
Or by Constance Smith, any discussion?

590
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,120
All the role, please.

591
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:25,500
Mr. House. Mr. Have Known. Mr. Martha Miocko.

592
00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:26,620
Yes. Mr. Wells.

593
00:43:27,420 --> 00:43:28,640
Oh. Mr. Steve Keefe.

594
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:30,720
Yes. Mr. Smith. Yes.

595
00:43:31,100 --> 00:43:31,720
Motion carried.

596
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:33,040
Item 3.

597
00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:33,560
Moving on.

598
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:33,900
trace it.

599
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,580
Attorney Billing Jack Bellzer.

600
00:43:35,820 --> 00:43:36,920
July 2018.

601
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:40,820
The amount of $568.75.

602
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:43,560
Or by the Vice President supported by

603
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,880
Consumance and Smith. Any discussion,

604
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:46,840
Mr. President?

605
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,300
Mr. Marshall.

606
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:48,700
I offered amendment.

607
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:54,000
because it is printed in the record that we strike the area of the

608
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,980
parenthetical notation that discussed what the consultations with the council

609
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:02,440
president were all about. And one of the reasons for that is you don't see

610
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,500
that on any other attorney billing that we've got, but it appears to me that the

611
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:12,960
administration is singly now at the council president for exercising what is

612
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,720
necessarily he has authority and issues of temporal concern. And I think we all

613
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:22,360
had to agree that that had to be done, and, you know, it's just like if you don't like

614
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,720
somebody's opinion, you're going to go get another one.

615
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Just double check on yourself, so I would move that amendment to strike from the record that

616
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,780
Perynthetical Notation that was made.

617
00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:35,580
Is there support?

618
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:36,740
That's part of it.

619
00:44:36,860 --> 00:44:37,420
It's supported.

620
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:45,280
The motion to strike the, like teen's consultation with Council President, I must have

621
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:52,960
I'm going to support it by Mr. Askins. Any discussion on striking that portion of it?

622
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:59,900
Mr. Wells, Mr. Smith just made a small speech for you minutes ago about being transparent to our...

623
00:45:00,370 --> 00:45:10,550
Residents about where all this money from returning free is they're going. I, for the life of me, don't understand, how many opinions do you need on this?

624
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,300
I mean, what opinion did he give you? Let's start with that.

625
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:18,360
I don't think we should.

626
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,980
I'm 100% sure you can't talk about it publicly.

627
00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:24,940
What do you mean?

628
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,980
Probably, I will.

629
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:28,800
What do you mean, you're not going to talk about it publicly?

630
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,600
Just what I just said.

631
00:45:30,820 --> 00:45:31,540
Any litigation?

632
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:33,780
We can't talk about it at this meeting.

633
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:39,420
Litigation regarding the city clerk?

634
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:41,760
Criminal and civil.

635
00:45:46,510 --> 00:45:48,930
This is specifically regarding the city clerk.

636
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:52,030
I see what's going on here.

637
00:45:52,530 --> 00:45:55,610
You've got a little loophole going where you can just

638
00:45:55,610 --> 00:45:57,890
all in the attorney you want.

639
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:59,830
That's going to add up fast.

640
00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:03,030
If you guys want to support it, go ahead.

641
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:12,890
It's very highly irregular and probably somewhat illegal because he doesn't, he should speak for all the council.

642
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:23,230
Unfortunately, Mr. Wells, I can't call all the council, but I was in consultation with the legislative chair and the financial chair that both encouraged me to call the attorney.

643
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:28,510
Well, why didn't you call them meeting for the City Council, so we could all discuss it?

644
00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:30,650
You're spending taxpayer money.

645
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,340
You've already contacted Mr. Gleason.

646
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:39,520
You told you, we already got a clerk.

647
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,460
You've already contacted our attorney, Mrs. Doyle.

648
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,340
I think she gave you pretty much the same answer.

649
00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,020
I don't know what Mr. Bellzer would tell you that was different.

650
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:52,900
You didn't give me that answer, Mr. Gleason said that they had no help to offer us.

651
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:57,680
He said, you already got a certified clerk, but you might want to read the whole letter.

652
00:46:57,860 --> 00:46:58,420
I did.

653
00:46:58,780 --> 00:46:59,020
I did.

654
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,080
The bottom of it said at this time, the county had no help to offer us.

655
00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:04,360
Because you've got to go home.

656
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,520
You have to leave your problems with their election, by the way.

657
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:07,180
Now we did.

658
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:10,100
Mr. President.

659
00:47:10,540 --> 00:47:11,160
Mr. O'Keefe.

660
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,820
I have a different plan on this.

661
00:47:14,460 --> 00:47:20,540
Again, when we hired Mr. Belzer, we had a motion.

662
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:22,560
We went through the channels.

663
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,280
we approved it, and it was for just a specific purpose.

664
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:34,420
I think we need another motion, at least a minimum, that gives the authority because

665
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:41,400
one person can't go out and hire an attorney and get a legal opinion, none of us can.

666
00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:42,820
You're self-included.

667
00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:48,320
Again, if you want to put a motion out there, at least we would be covered that way, but

668
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:56,260
I think right now we're kind of going against what, as Mr. Well said it, you know,

669
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:02,540
one person gets and money here among the seven of us has to be put in a motion, has to be voted

670
00:48:02,540 --> 00:48:08,680
upon. That's all I got to say. Any more discussion? Call the roll, please.

671
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:17,620
What are we voting on? Item three. Mr. Michael mediumman. Oh, on the amendment to remove

672
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,260
July 2018 consultation with Council President,

673
00:48:23,340 --> 00:48:25,340
we're voting on, we're moving that.

674
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:25,800
President?

675
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:26,540
Yes, sir.

676
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,180
Do you have to see attorney?

677
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,200
I mean, would it what would be your counsel on this?

678
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:33,080
Is that on?

679
00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:36,800
I guess I don't understand what the question is.

680
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Well, here with Danny said, you heard where Dennis said,

681
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:44,340
I do believe the Council President was right.

682
00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:45,660
He's doing his due diligence.

683
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:53,240
We had, at the council meeting, we thought we had all agreed, you were here, Dennis, and we

684
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:58,620
could, you were directed to do some correspondence to the state and to the county.

685
00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:04,700
So, but we didn't do a vote on it, so, but we all left thinking that was going to happen.

686
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:11,180
And then after the fact that did not happen, so the council president then said, hey, this

687
00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:17,440
what we had asked have done, or we thought we did, so, where we had, where we had, do we

688
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:25,520
need to do something here that do a vote or on what Dennis said, or do we do with this

689
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,580
or as it is?

690
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,220
Yes, with regards to Mr. Belzer, the ultimate question is, is he still retained for that particular

691
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:31,700
purpose?

692
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:38,480
If you believe he is still retained for this particular purpose, then no, a vote would not be necessary.

693
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:46,800
However, if you believe this is a separate issue, then yes, you would have to retain him again for that separate issue.

694
00:49:55,470 --> 00:49:55,770
Thank you.

695
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:57,610
My point is this, guys.

696
00:49:57,870 --> 00:50:00,990
We're going down a real treacherous road here.

697
00:50:03,590 --> 00:50:11,830
You may have hired Mr. Belzer in regards to the last topic.

698
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,180
You were arguing with the mayor about it has cost them asked for a lot of nomenical amount of money

699
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,160
But this is totally different topic. This is this is a city clerk

700
00:50:25,290 --> 00:50:31,810
So I mean if you if you're gonna open the door and you three guys are gonna make the decision for all the city council

701
00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:34,370
I'm totally opposed to that

702
00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:37,870
And it shouldn't be that way and I think you know that

703
00:50:38,910 --> 00:50:39,630
Madam attorney

704
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:55,210
I think at this time what I'll do is I would throw my motion to go ahead and approve and pay this until weekend came up with a motion to make sure that Mr. Bellzer was retained in the right fashion with a proper motion.

705
00:50:56,110 --> 00:51:07,570
I would like to say this much that this is possible litigation again and it is clarification of what we're trying to understand here.

706
00:51:07,570 --> 00:51:09,090
just been talked about open meetings,

707
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:11,890
what clarification was going on with where you were here

708
00:51:11,890 --> 00:51:12,630
for them meetings.

709
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:16,310
This isn't a big surprise to anybody except for what exactly

710
00:51:16,310 --> 00:51:17,290
was discussed.

711
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:20,350
Obviously I'm not privy to that either right now.

712
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:24,830
But I would be more than happy to withdraw my motion

713
00:51:24,830 --> 00:51:29,990
and make a table in motion until we can get this address

714
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:32,390
under your profession to pay it to make sure

715
00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:36,350
that he was retained in the right fashion, I guess.

716
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:45,830
I honestly believe from our last motion that I believe that Mr. Belzer is probably

717
00:51:45,830 --> 00:51:49,170
retained in the right fashion on this because of this goes in a different direction

718
00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:51,950
that we have to end up in court again.

719
00:51:53,070 --> 00:51:55,170
Does any Attorney General be able to recognize it?

720
00:51:55,650 --> 00:51:59,590
Well, let's have Mr. Hammond read that motion again that he read earlier.

721
00:52:02,590 --> 00:52:02,770
Mr. Belzer.

722
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:03,710
What will we retain?

723
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:05,150
Bellzer the first time.

724
00:52:09,090 --> 00:52:21,490
Okay. Motion is to hire attorney Jack Belzer to represent the Burn City Council in any litigation in which the city attorney cannot represent the council due to conflict of interest.

725
00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:22,390
There you go.

726
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:26,900
I think there's your answer.

727
00:52:30,580 --> 00:52:31,960
So would you like to withdraw your withdrawal?

728
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,280
I would withdraw the amended.

729
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,480
Yeah, I will withdraw my withdrawal.

730
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:43,480
So my motion was still stand.

731
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:54,200
I just think that there's probably going to have to go something to where this is, whether the executive session with Elzer or whatever we do, we can do that.

732
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,060
I think exactly what was going on.

733
00:52:56,700 --> 00:53:00,020
I think maybe if you might need to be explained before.

734
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:02,540
Some people vote on paying it.

735
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:13,000
So that would be my only, I think that if we're voting on this to pay for it, maybe council should be in the loop.

736
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:19,640
Why would you like to have an executive set a close session with the journey belser?

737
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,840
Now if we can't obtain, what's the conflict of interest between you?

738
00:53:24,180 --> 00:53:28,280
Well then disregard, I guess if, no, what's the, I just, I guess I need to know what

739
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,400
the conflict of interest is with our own attorney, why can't, did you give an opinion on the

740
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:33,540
clerk?

741
00:53:33,580 --> 00:53:34,560
I think you did.

742
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:42,700
If this is the issue though, as I understand it, Mr. Wells, is we don't know what

743
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:51,820
right now what those consultations were for, if they were for the potential litigation with

744
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:57,380
regard to the city clerk by the council, then no, there would be a conflict, but I don't

745
00:53:57,380 --> 00:54:03,800
know what those consultations were about, so I don't know if I would have been conflicted

746
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,220
out or not.

747
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,020
Well, it's just an interpretation of the chart, or really.

748
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,040
It addresses the mayor's 30 days to name a clerk.

749
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:14,100
And I understand that, but that does not tell me.

750
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:15,120
It was rejected it.

751
00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:16,720
She came back and named another one.

752
00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:18,080
The council rejected it.

753
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,960
This could go on and on and on.

754
00:54:20,180 --> 00:54:23,960
I don't want to see another 1.1 million dollars

755
00:54:24,420 --> 00:54:28,260
this the way on a clerk when it's very simple.

756
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,880
It's a very simple solution.

757
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,560
And part of the solution is the stop point politics.

758
00:54:34,540 --> 00:54:38,740
If you can't figure out who's going to be a clerk, we have a certified clerk right now right

759
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:39,740
there.

760
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:41,980
Actually we don't.

761
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:42,780
There we do.

762
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:44,740
She sure is.

763
00:54:44,980 --> 00:54:46,720
She's acting clerk, but she's certified.

764
00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:49,320
You're already ran to elections.

765
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:51,960
She wasn't confirmed by the council.

766
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:56,140
And that's not the administration's fault.

767
00:54:56,380 --> 00:54:57,640
That's what I'm saying.

768
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,120
They're following the charter.

769
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:03,840
They're throwing bodies at you, you're throwing them back.

770
00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:08,720
You want to name your own clerk, because that's not how the charter works.

771
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,740
The mayor names them, and we either confirm or don't confirm.

772
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:12,560
That's right.

773
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:17,460
The other part of the issue is,

774
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:20,880
if people watch this meeting and see what's going on in this city,

775
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,980
they don't want to come here and be a clerk or anything else.

776
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,200
We can't find suitable people to hire in different positions right now.

777
00:55:28,740 --> 00:55:32,820
Well, our discussion right now is on Mr Mark Bianco's amendment.

778
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:40,930
Is there any more discussion on the amendment?

779
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:43,310
Hold a roll please.

780
00:55:43,550 --> 00:55:44,250
Mr Halskins?

781
00:55:44,610 --> 00:55:45,550
Mr Heffner?

782
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:46,110
Yes.

783
00:55:46,270 --> 00:55:46,950
Mr Martin Bianco?

784
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:47,310
Yes.

785
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:48,050
Mr Wallace?

786
00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:49,590
Mr. O'Keefe?

787
00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:50,070
No.

788
00:55:50,650 --> 00:55:51,230
Mr Smith?

789
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:51,710
Yes.

790
00:55:52,290 --> 00:55:52,810
Mushroom Kari.

791
00:55:54,810 --> 00:55:55,770
Item three.

792
00:55:56,090 --> 00:56:01,130
We were not authorized to turn you building Jack Belzer in the amount of $5,680.

793
00:56:01,130 --> 00:56:02,130
75 cents.

794
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,340
Somebody already is moved in.

795
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:16,420
Somebody's already supported.

796
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:16,940
Oh, gosh.

797
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,120
It's been half hours until we did that.

798
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:20,400
I think so.

799
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:22,180
Any more discussion?

800
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,500
All the role please.

801
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:25,640
Mr. Halskins?

802
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:26,940
Mr. Havevermark?

803
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,260
Yes.

804
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,220
Mr. Murdoch?

805
00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:28,980
Yes.

806
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:29,660
Mr. Wells?

807
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:31,940
What are you calling a role on?

808
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,360
This is to pay to them.

809
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:36,320
There's a amendment.

810
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:37,980
I have no where he did that.

811
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:38,620
Okay.

812
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:40,720
There was no motion made.

813
00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:41,360
No support.

814
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:49,180
was like he's just said it was about half hour ago now this is you guys are

815
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:59,140
wow no Mr. Keith no Mr. Smith yeah I didn't for proven authorized the

816
00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:02,820
mayor in city clerk execute a contract with real professional services

817
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:07,020
removed his rent or the councilman will keep supported by councilman Martin

818
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:13,020
Bianco any discussion Mr. President through you to Mr. Slattery

819
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:13,840
Hi, Bob.

820
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:18,100
This is the preliminary engineering on this project.

821
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:18,880
Yes, sir.

822
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,180
It's scheduled for 2019 for the construction,

823
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:23,240
or is it 2020?

824
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:27,020
Well, we're hoping to do that in 2019, sir.

825
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,540
The State Infrastructure Bank loan is given us preliminary approval

826
00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:33,540
of our application and things are looking very good

827
00:57:33,540 --> 00:57:36,340
to be able to do that project next summer, 2019.

828
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:37,720
Very good.

829
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:38,740
Thank you.

830
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:42,450
Thank you, Mr. Martin Bianco.

831
00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:44,170
Anyone else?

832
00:57:44,170 --> 00:57:46,170
Council discussion here on this one.

833
00:57:46,850 --> 00:57:47,970
Other role, please.

834
00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:48,950
Mr. Haskins.

835
00:57:50,130 --> 00:57:50,710
Mr. Huffner.

836
00:57:50,850 --> 00:57:51,090
Yes.

837
00:57:52,050 --> 00:57:52,910
Mr. Martin Mianko.

838
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:54,690
Mr. Wells.

839
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:55,070
Yes.

840
00:57:55,310 --> 00:57:55,850
Mr. OK.

841
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:56,290
Yes.

842
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:57,050
Mr. Smith.

843
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:58,330
Motion carried.

844
00:57:58,530 --> 00:57:59,510
Item five.

845
00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:02,530
We've been authorised a sale of lap 25 in person.

846
00:58:03,130 --> 00:58:04,830
We've moved by the Vice President.

847
00:58:05,470 --> 00:58:06,790
Ordered by Councilman Smith.

848
00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:07,990
Any discussion?

849
00:58:08,830 --> 00:58:09,190
Mr. President.

850
00:58:09,590 --> 00:58:10,190
Mr. Wells.

851
00:58:11,330 --> 00:58:13,350
another one that sticks in my car,

852
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,080
millions of dollars of property were sold. That the

853
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:25,560
taxpayers have money into inside walks, infrastructure, and so forth.

854
00:58:28,290 --> 00:58:29,590
This gentleman bought

855
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:35,370
some of them, I guess, gave them back to the city, and now he's cheery pickin' them. Yes,

856
00:58:35,370 --> 00:58:36,610
that happens to be in my neighborhood.

857
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:40,990
We recently, the city had to come out and mow the grass

858
00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:42,030
because you won't do it.

859
00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:44,090
I was $2,000 Mr. Abby,

860
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,140
$2,000 to those lots in that neighborhood.

861
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:56,360
I'm not sure somewhere in that neighborhood, if we break it down, you have three guys

862
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,200
with the equipment that we charge off for the day and a half.

863
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,400
So, actually almost two days total, first they did the first half then, so I don't know

864
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,080
the exact breakdown, but it's better than $1,500 at least.

865
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:17,340
I'm sure I've taught him I had to do the exact breakdown and I haven't, but we can.

866
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,560
Isn't it?

867
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,240
It's just mouth.

868
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,540
Yes, for softly, it doesn't really almost properties correct.

869
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:33,560
He just has the first option, that's true, if you recall, almost three years ago, you

870
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:40,820
approved a sale to buy malar ponds, cross creek, we sold three lots out right in Burton

871
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:47,040
states with the balance giving him a over doing a three-year period, the first right

872
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:54,180
a refusal at this price, $7,000 in some change. So he's attempting to exercise this right.

873
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:59,620
And this parcel, be quite honest, I don't believe we really have any choice.

874
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,020
Part of the sales agreement. To me, it was a good move, because we have no

875
01:00:05,020 --> 01:00:09,960
or a ponds, it's sold out. They're going for over $200,000.

876
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:14,820
We have a cross cross creek.

877
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,280
They're building their line trees. I go through those. They're close to me.

878
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:24,120
And I think for where we were three years ago, to where we are today, I think it was a phenomena

879
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:31,180
move that the council made, we have, I'm not sure how many, how many, come in, additional

880
01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:38,200
homes are now sold in Narapond. This is substantial. It's substantial in both subdivisions.

881
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,660
And these are not cheap homes. These are relatively expensive homes. Oh, they're not completely

882
01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:49,880
built out, but they're at the cost. I have to just point it out, but yes. So, you know, we technically,

883
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:55,520
the gentleman's Biden buyer's agreement, I think where we did was great. I had no problem with

884
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:02,440
at all. We had lots of setting there. There's stuff that's going on and then. So I think what

885
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,880
we did, we have a lot more that are at homes that are now. We have families coming in,

886
01:01:08,020 --> 01:01:16,120
shopping in Burton. I think what we did, the situation we were handed with where property wasn't

887
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,000
in a city. I think we did the best we could, what we had. I'm proud of it.

888
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:29,760
The point I'm making here is this, and we offered those to the residents of the city of Burton for $7,200, a lot.

889
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,640
I think we get to solve every one of them again.

890
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,180
You had lots of lots.

891
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,300
We couldn't get rid of.

892
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,460
You couldn't find anybody.

893
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:39,420
Everybody walked away from them.

894
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,120
The builder walked away from the bank, walked away from them.

895
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,540
You just stopped paying the tax.

896
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,600
And we were stuck with the special assessments.

897
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,220
Yes.

898
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:53,500
At a former council that you were a part of, I know you were part of putting us in that

899
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:54,480
predicament.

900
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:56,730
Mr. Huffner.

901
01:01:57,830 --> 01:01:59,390
Was you not on the council that approved that?

902
01:01:59,510 --> 01:02:00,170
Yes, I was.

903
01:02:00,510 --> 01:02:01,230
Okay, there you go.

904
01:02:01,890 --> 01:02:02,550
There I go.

905
01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:03,870
And here's the thing.

906
01:02:04,130 --> 01:02:05,010
Times change.

907
01:02:05,430 --> 01:02:07,050
Now we're going back the other way.

908
01:02:07,850 --> 01:02:11,830
Now there's an urban flow in government at the time that we made that decision.

909
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:14,290
People were building houses in Burton.

910
01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:17,450
That's the only thing to keep Burton going by the way.

911
01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:23,350
Okay, when the bottom drop, it didn't just drop in Burton, it dropped all the way across the country.

912
01:02:23,730 --> 01:02:27,730
What's your coming back, and you're trying to slam us for something we did to try to write it wrong?

913
01:02:27,730 --> 01:02:31,390
I'm not blaming anyone. If you listen, I'm not blaming anyone.

914
01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:40,350
What it does is sticks in my crowd that we have people in the city of Burton, it would buy a $7,500 lot in that subdivision.

915
01:02:40,350 --> 01:02:49,450
Rather than have this guy cherry pick all the good lots, and then how do you give somebody a right or first review is a refusal on property doesn't even own?

916
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:52,870
That's how we got him to buy cross creek and mallard puns.

917
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:55,990
They would still be sitting there empty.

918
01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:59,450
You don't think he would have bought him without them.

919
01:02:59,570 --> 01:03:02,270
Did he have a right or first refusal in cross creek?

920
01:03:02,330 --> 01:03:03,090
Is there any other edge?

921
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:03,810
Mallard puns?

922
01:03:03,930 --> 01:03:05,030
He bought them out right, didn't he?

923
01:03:05,130 --> 01:03:05,870
Bottom out right.

924
01:03:06,130 --> 01:03:06,510
That's correct.

925
01:03:06,510 --> 01:03:13,710
Okay, we were trying to fix a mistake that a prior council made. Oh, I'm not well, we are that's what we tried to do

926
01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:19,730
That's that's you know what that's this council's whole agenda

927
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:22,370
Somebody else did it we got a fix it

928
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:29,500
And that's what has been the last few years as fixed in mistakes of the past all right

929
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:31,040
Any more discussion on item five

930
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,080
Mr. Halskins.

931
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:37,420
Mr. Halskins.

932
01:03:37,420 --> 01:03:37,600
Mr. Halskins.

933
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:37,920
Mr. Halskins.

934
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,880
Mr. Halskins.

935
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:42,480
Mr. Halskins.

936
01:03:43,540 --> 01:03:43,940
Mr. Smith.

937
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:45,620
Motion carried.

938
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,120
Item six.

939
01:03:48,020 --> 01:03:51,520
Sumer's Energy Company Gas and or Electric Franchise Ordnance.

940
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,120
Mr. Halskins.

941
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:54,320
Mr.

942
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:57,160
Halskins.

943
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:58,100
Mr. Halskins.

944
01:03:58,100 --> 01:03:58,360
Mr. Halskins.

945
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:58,600
Mr. Halskins.

946
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,620
excuse me.

947
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:01,600
Any discussion?

948
01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:03,920
Call the roll, please.

949
01:04:04,580 --> 01:04:05,260
Mr. Haskins.

950
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:06,520
Mr. Hapner.

951
01:04:07,460 --> 01:04:08,480
Mr. Martin Mioco.

952
01:04:08,580 --> 01:04:08,920
Yes.

953
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:09,980
Mr. Wells.

954
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,360
Mr. O'Keefe.

955
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:11,680
Yes.

956
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:12,640
Mr. Smith.

957
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:14,360
Thank you.

958
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:20,440
You can get your agenda.

959
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:26,560
And you can now find minutes at www.bertonemye.gov.

960
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:28,900
Do you think I'll just come before the council?

961
01:04:30,340 --> 01:04:31,180
Yes, Mr. President.

962
01:04:31,180 --> 01:04:38,920
just a request. So as you know, we canceled tonight's committee, schedule committee, the

963
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:45,680
whole meeting and we'd like to reschedule that the folks that we're going to, some of

964
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:50,040
the folks that we're going to do the presentation have a conflict because some of them are

965
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:56,100
our members of council's and governmental bodies in other communities. So they had a conflict

966
01:04:56,100 --> 01:05:06,200
on the first and third Mondays and I'm hoping to reschedule that as soon as possible on a non-council

967
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:11,840
meeting night. I don't know if we can take care of that tonight but these folks are waiting to hear

968
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:17,560
from us or we're going to come down and give you a presentation and give you answer any questions you

969
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:22,580
might have. With the legislative chair and he can set all that up. That would be great. Thank you.

970
01:05:22,580 --> 01:05:25,200
Sir, Mr. O'Kee,

971
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,340
October 2nd, at 7 p.m.,

972
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:36,830
we have Michelle and Eric here from Whitmerhand.

973
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:38,690
Thank you, sir.

974
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:42,550
Anything else in council?

975
01:05:44,130 --> 01:05:47,650
Hearing none, we're adjourned at 808.

976
01:05:58,690 --> 01:06:04,520
I'm not hooked up to the lift, I think that's by design top, they want us on the

977
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,640
roller coaster.

978
01:06:12,980 --> 01:06:15,300
Yeah, I see you on the way, thank you so much.

979
01:06:21,870 --> 01:06:23,230
How are you doing?

980
01:06:24,750 --> 01:06:25,150
How are you doing?

981
01:06:25,310 --> 01:06:25,950
I don't know, nobody's told me.

982
01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:32,090
Oh, not here.

983
01:06:32,810 --> 01:06:33,530
Oh, not here.

984
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:35,830
We just need a lot of power to take it up here.

985
01:06:40,210 --> 01:06:40,570
Yeah.

986
01:06:40,570 --> 01:06:43,230
I'm so budget-sweet and reading a book that I like to give them.

987
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:46,390
Thank you, sir.

988
01:06:46,730 --> 01:06:46,790
Thank

989
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:52,630
you, sir.

990
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:54,870
Yeah, I'll show you.

991
01:06:56,130 --> 01:06:56,490
I'll show you.

992
01:06:56,490 --> 01:06:56,530
I'll show you.

993
01:06:59,150 --> 01:06:59,790
I'll show you.

994
01:07:00,490 --> 01:07:01,070
I'll show you.

995
01:07:01,450 --> 01:07:03,350
Yeah, I haven't forgot your brother.

996
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:05,550
I'll show you.

997
01:07:06,190 --> 01:07:06,650
Did you?

998
01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:09,010
I'm sorry, I feel better now.

999
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:10,110
I'm going to get 500 bucks.

1000
01:07:10,350 --> 01:07:10,910
I'll get it all right.

1001
01:07:15,180 --> 01:07:16,520
How about two hours?

1002
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,400
I think he

1003
01:07:26,330 --> 01:07:27,490
thought he was going to make the money still.

1004
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:47,190
He took 40 pound bags.

1005
01:07:47,610 --> 01:07:48,410
That's what a 180.

1006
01:07:49,610 --> 01:07:50,410
No, it's 40 cents.

1007
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:50,930
No, it's 40 cents.

1008
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:51,270
It's good.

1009
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:52,310
Appreciate it.

1010
01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:54,170
Maybe you guys didn't realize the new man.

1011
01:07:54,250 --> 01:07:54,970
Hey, not much.

1012
01:07:54,970 --> 01:08:00,430
What you've been doing? I haven't seen you in a hundred years. Oh, are

1013
01:08:02,770 --> 01:08:08,210
you sorry about that?

1014
01:08:09,370 --> 01:08:14,470
I'm I'm allegedly sold the corner and then that deal fell through. I had told us so

1015
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:19,490
I got to have your hardener face, I got something going on, and then you get my hang of it.

1016
01:08:19,630 --> 01:08:20,210
That's it.

1017
01:08:20,810 --> 01:08:21,250
I don't know.

1018
01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:24,890
What's the nine things?

1019
01:08:25,890 --> 01:08:26,750
Well, no, that's forever.

1020
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:29,550
That should go with the legislature, or the finance chair.

1021
01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:33,110
And then they'll bring it to us.

1022
01:08:33,310 --> 01:08:34,410
Well, it turns out a lot of money.

1023
01:08:34,410 --> 01:08:35,810
Well, you got to take it for me.

1024
01:08:36,150 --> 01:08:37,870
I have some hard problems.

1025
01:08:38,830 --> 01:08:40,150
They're going to get those trained around.

1026
01:08:40,190 --> 01:08:41,390
I have some good in the issues.

1027
01:08:41,610 --> 01:08:43,490
Doctors as I can't get this thing.

1028
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:44,670
I'm sure that's what I'm sure of.

1029
01:08:44,670 --> 01:08:46,010
Yes, I guess that's what you're mom.

1030
01:08:46,810 --> 01:08:46,990
Six.

1031
01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:48,350
Go.

1032
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:50,410
One of them too.

1033
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:52,850
I like to think so sometimes.

1034
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:53,690
Would you like that?

1035
01:08:55,350 --> 01:08:55,510
Yeah.

1036
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:56,010
I like that.

1037
01:08:56,350 --> 01:08:57,570
All right.

1038
01:08:58,770 --> 01:09:00,450
Well, can you tell who's doing the politics?

1039
01:09:00,890 --> 01:09:01,710
It's not.

1040
01:09:02,410 --> 01:09:03,090
It's easy.

1041
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:03,570
Go back.

1042
01:09:04,250 --> 01:09:05,050
Oh, yeah.

1043
01:09:05,330 --> 01:09:06,810
What are we trying to do?

1044
01:09:07,150 --> 01:09:08,090
We're trying to fix the problem.

1045
01:09:08,350 --> 01:09:08,650
We need pause.

1046
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:09,130
She's working.

1047
01:09:09,470 --> 01:09:10,330
42 years.

1048
01:09:10,830 --> 01:09:11,910
I can't.

1049
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:39,780
You know, playing for us, we wasn't here last time, but first of all he's just clueless and a lot of this stuff, I mean, he's totally clueless.

1050
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:40,260
for

1051
01:09:42,730 --> 01:09:43,770
nine corrects us.

1052
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:46,050
It's been a little bit more.

1053
01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:47,590
It's been a little bit more there.

1054
01:09:52,250 --> 01:09:53,510
We did. We did. We did not want this time.

1055
01:09:53,710 --> 01:09:54,330
It's been $3 million.

1056
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:57,710
Ah, very nice.

1057
01:09:58,450 --> 01:09:58,790
Very nice.

1058
01:10:00,910 --> 01:10:02,470
Now you get to see how the democracy works.

1059
01:10:03,150 --> 01:10:04,130
Or doesn't.

1060
01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:05,970
The planet would say that they would do something.

1061
01:10:06,130 --> 01:10:07,370
You did. We're trying to see.

1062
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:08,790
We're trying to see.

1063
01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:10,490
But the pension.

1064
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:13,570
That's the, you take care.

1065
01:10:13,570 --> 01:10:18,430
I think it's just a finished committee.

1066
01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:19,550
It's not a thing.

1067
01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:20,210
They don't.

1068
01:10:22,450 --> 01:10:24,030
The bonds are Jeremy.

1069
01:10:26,910 --> 01:10:27,450
What could we do?

1070
01:10:27,790 --> 01:10:28,510
We'll give you a question.

1071
01:10:30,210 --> 01:10:32,650
And see if we have the luxury of looking back.

1072
01:10:33,250 --> 01:10:35,090
I can, the compensation.

1073
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:36,570
Anything is compensation.

1074
01:10:37,190 --> 01:10:37,670
It's got to go.

1075
01:10:39,170 --> 01:10:40,670
Because we don't really make a law.

1076
01:10:40,670 --> 01:10:45,750
We can make a policy that says, you know, any commission members are going to get this.

1077
01:10:47,690 --> 01:10:49,310
We're zoning into a parks and record.

1078
01:10:50,190 --> 01:10:50,650
I think we're at play.

1079
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:59,870
Yeah.

1080
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:16,410
Yeah, but he should go through one of them because it's a captain's castle.

1081
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:18,670
I thought we had to have something to weigh in.

1082
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:21,970
Why can't you do that?

1083
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:22,330
I can do that.

1084
01:11:22,330 --> 01:11:23,070
I can do that.

1085
01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:26,130
You sure about that.

1086
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:27,310
Oh yeah.

1087
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:28,010
That's what we do.

1088
01:11:30,150 --> 01:11:32,150
It's all in the compensation to me.

1089
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:35,770
I'm sure there's some rules about it.

1090
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:36,840
Although they're going to get...

1091
01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:37,870
No, we'll see.

1092
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:41,530
Mr. Haydn, he's a great scientist.

1093
01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:46,350
Mr. Zip, is that 10-dollar statement?

1094
01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:47,510
Mr. Zip, I mean.

1095
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:23,440
Right.

1096
01:12:23,540 --> 01:12:23,680
Right.

1097
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:23,860
No way.

1098
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:25,780
I got to tell you.

1099
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:26,380
I got to tell you.

1100
01:12:26,380 --> 01:12:26,840
I got to tell you.

1101
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,820
I got to tell you.

1102
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:29,760
Time.

1103
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,740
Time had been talking about given all the commission to ten dollars.

1104
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:35,540
Didn't you do that?

1105
01:12:35,940 --> 01:12:36,180
Do you do that?

1106
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:36,520
Do you do that?

1107
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:37,080
time.

1108
01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:38,460
What?

1109
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,520
You said we're going to give them all like a ten dollar boost?

1110
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:41,740
Yeah, we talked about that.

1111
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:54,040
We're going to give them all that.

1112
01:12:54,040 --> 01:13:00,040
If for your gas.

1113
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,320
You'll be how much?

1114
01:13:31,020 --> 01:13:34,600
We're good for the recognition.

1115
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:44,000
Good for the recognition.

1116
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:51,000
Yeah, some apparently some galantaves, some zoos did.

1117
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,400
Greg, over Gemsworth, she's interested in that.

1118
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,840
I was down there, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

1119
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,580
They're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all.

1120
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:07,180
Oh yeah, sure, sure.

1121
01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:08,460
Yeah, sure.

1122
01:14:08,580 --> 01:14:09,100
Yeah, sure, sure.

1123
01:14:09,100 --> 01:14:09,880
Got a show for you.

1124
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:11,380
Come on, let's go.

1125
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:12,660
Yeah, what the hell's up?

1126
01:14:14,180 --> 01:14:18,540
Yeah, they come really and always...

1127
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:18,700
Oh yeah.

1128
01:14:18,940 --> 01:14:20,160
Oh my god, no kid.

1129
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:20,800
Oh, yeah, yeah, man.

1130
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,660
Yeah, even trying to stop this one here.

1131
01:14:23,060 --> 01:14:24,240
Here's, don't be really cool.

1132
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:25,180
Yeah, no, no, don't be really cool.

1133
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:26,320
Yeah, no, don't be really cool.