If we could please mark her down as
excused.
We have minutes to approve.
First order of business is the approval of the following minutes. City council budget workshop May 30, 630 p.m. City council budget workshop June 5, 630 p.m. City council regularly meeting June 7, 630 p.m.
Or move by the Vice President, or the approval of the Minister one through eight, and supported by
Consumant Martin Bianco. Do any discussion on the Minutes?
All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed.
Yes, have it.
Next we will move into administrative report. Is there administrative report?
Yes, Mr. President. I'm here on behalf of the mayor tonight.
And really all I have is we can go through the agenda, you'll see items 2 and 3 attorney billing, item 4, Mr. Scytterius here to speak about that.
Item 5 is the part of the purchase agreement that we had in regard to burden of states,
the VIP holdings,
kind of first-order refusal on that. They're exercising and they're attempting to exercise that.
On the particular parcel mentioned, I can answer any questions from Council discussion.
And the number six is the franchise ordinance with consumers energy.
You passed that once before there were some errors with consumers.
And so consumers is asking you to re-approve this. There are no substantive changes,
but there are some minor changes in wording.
That's all I have.
Thank you.
Next, we'll move in committee reports.
Any committee's to report?
Mr. Smith.
The firm vice-mission grant last week.
And a couple things on that.
And
asked the administration, remember, about a lot of users out.
There's a central business system, or you know, about 15 users,
you know, expecting it to be on the agenda, maybe it's not for whatever reason.
But with a being so long, I've asked the administration to try to get that to you.
And hopefully, we can advance, we get to go through it.
I'm sure you have a really great job with it, but I'm sure you don't want to work the end of time, and I guess we'll need to speak.
So I just wanted to put that up there for the record.
The second thing is, I've been given permission to use the name, I've been bird, also
at the same French mission meeting, Kevin brought up, and I wanted to forward the council
for their thoughts and views.
somewhat of what we do here, but the point of mission share has to let me make sure
that the points will be similar to what you do.
That's what we have there.
And I'd like to give it to Kevin.
I think we should make a good sense of the opposite of a ceremonial thing, but maybe we should
tend our stipend to the person that years the share of the point of mission.
And it gives a consideration for the zoning as well.
But there's people there right now, I'm going to have to be, who else be chair? No, I don't want you to.
You don't have to work.
So I think it'd be something that we could look at and I'm going to,
something to say, hey, we appreciate what you're doing through the city and we realize that you're doing some work.
So I wanted to show that out there tonight, you can see it's the best of the time to talk about that.
Thank you Mr. President.
Thank you Mr. Smith.
And you would also include the Parks and Rec and on that, also.
It's commission also.
We're talking 10 bucks.
Why do people want to be chair and advice to you?
There's all of you just don't work.
Thank you, sir.
Anything else on the committee reports?
Mr. Welles.
Give me a heads up.
I'm having a meeting with Mr. Slattery.
Thursday on our LED committee.
Nice. We're going to start getting rolling on that. So yeah, and I and the people from RSC are going to meet Thursday morning and then the next week
We'll have another meeting and then we'll have a meeting of our committee together and see what we come up with
That's great. Thank you, sir any more committees to report
Mr. Martin.
Bianca, did you get a chance to look over that ordinance that I emailed you?
I did not
Okay
If you want to settle legislative meeting
So that, yeah, the first and the next month, I'll set the meeting in the moment, try to do it.
This is expeditiously as we can't answer that.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Any more committees to report?
Now we'll move to audience participation.
Now it's the time set aside from members of the audience to address the Burton City Council.
I would ask each individual to give their name and address for the record.
limit your comments at three minutes and speak on top extra main to city
business, anyone wishing to dress a comment? Yes ma'am.
My name
is Deborah Jackson. I live at 1361 Wells. I've lived in Burton, Michigan,
my entire life. I have made complaints about things going on. There's been driveways
to have to call the police, cars, parked right up to the intersection, looking like junkyards, a garbage dump across the street,
complaints have been filed, letters have been mailed to the mayor, and I'm getting no response.
If that's the time to stuff you want, Burton Burton's going to be going down the hill, just like it's going.
But if it's being reported, we need somebody to help back us up. It's not just me.
It's people in the whole area that are having problems with the same people and the repeat
offenders.
But things are, the cults are not being enforced.
Right now, you can go to 1361, Carmen.
There's a junk motorcycle black in the sidewalk.
I thought that was for kids to get back and forth to school, but nothing will be done.
Why?
Can anybody answer me that?
Thank you, ma'am.
Anyone else? Yes,
sir.
Jerry Cross.
I live up in, uh,
General C. Township.
I'm just here to introduce myself.
I'm running for General C. County Commissioner.
I won the primary, so I'll be going up against Ellen.
Just want to let you know if you want to get hold of me.
Discuss any issues or anything.
I'm here. I can give you my card after the meeting.
Can we get your address for the record, please?
G3426 Branch Road and that's infant.
Thank you.
Anyone else was address the council?
Yes, they're in the back.
McFew's 1072 Forest.
I don't remember three.
It's early billing.
It has to concern with the city clerk.
I'll meet more dollars of mine.
The citizens of the city of Burton.
I'm going to spend to resolve this issue.
So I'm pleased to send in the letter here part of month ago,
that we have a perfectly capable person here that can do that job.
Now, for sure you all know who I'm talking about,
is very clear in stating that she was well educated and
field. She can handle elections.
Why are we given who this position?
Why are we still going around around on this issue?
First, I think we've got enough of our taxpayers money on this issue.
Thank you.
Anyone else was in a dress council?
Anyone else?
Seeing none will close audience participation?
And move it to council discussion?
Anything for the council?
Present for you?
Mr. Smith.
Good afternoon.
Well, answers.
I can tell you what's happened to date.
I just recently was brought to my attention about this situation, I've had some conversations
both internally and with the code enforcer and actually in Mr. Wells called me about
the situation as well.
So I went today and had pulled up a violation summary.
She's correct, there definitely was a problem, there was a complaint, the official complaint
was filed on 712 of 18 and it says junk vehicles and or junk in debris all vehicles must be
plated operable and not an approved driveway surface in 10 days any vehicle in violation
will be towed.
Further it goes down to say on 716 of 18 put the 10 day notice in a door
with note, grass is not in a proof surface, any vehicles in violation will be told on 726
of 18 at your expense. I will return on 726 of 18.
So there was some movement according
to the notes that, you know, shovel some things around, got rid of a few vehicles, moved
around the ones that, and I'm only going by what I have here, but what Frank tells me
is, and then it goes on to say, he tagged seven vehicles to be towed on eight three.
When he went back, they still weren't either plated or in an appropriate place.
goes on to say on 8, 3, of 18, Mr. Schaefer came into the DPW on 8, 2, of 18, and asked for an
extension.
All vehicles are off the grass, and all plates are updated on the vehicles, asked for a
10 day extension to remove.
I'm taking this to the Volkswagen VW, check back on 8, 13, of 18.
On 8, 13 of 18, Mr. Schaefer came into the D.P.W. to get a permit for a six-foot-high privacy
fence.
I spoke with him and told him that he had to get the car off the grass immediately.
And the improper, incomparable vehicle must be put in the garage.
He said he would have had it done today, on 8, 14, a 14, drove by in the morning.
He had three cars in the approach of the driveway.
There was still some junk in the yard, but he had eight to nine bags of yard waste and a curb line full of garbage for the garbage went to pick up.
I wrote a ticket to give Mr. Shafer.
He came into the office and abort told him he could not park his vehicles there because they blocked the view and had to get them out of the junk out of the right away.
By today on 1815, 1815 all vehicles that are left on the property are plated and operable and are on an approved driveway surface.
The junk has been cleaned up, leave the complaint open, until the fence has been completed.
Check again in 10 days on 825 of 18.
So that's where we're at.
Every time we've been there, apparently Frank said he was a little slow to get moving.
He finally did start to move some stuff around.
Got rid of some vehicles, put one or two that he said he was working on in his garage.
According to this, and I'm just briefed on this, and the other ones were on an approved
surface in front, checked them for tags, and that they were operable.
He had to show them that they were operable and tagged in an appropriate location.
He asked, now the fence wasn't a requirement on our part, but he did say he was going to put
a privacy fence around his yard, came in and pulled a fence permit.
Today I don't know if that's done yet, but he did get a fence permit to put a privacy fence
around the remaining things so in Frank's estimation from what I'm gathered based on this document
and what the brief conversation he had made some improvements he still got a ways to go
but he is making improvements slowly. I don't know I can only tell you what I've been briefed on
in what the document is here for me today on those dates. Thank you. Thank you.
Mr. President, Mr. Chairman, good evening. Glad you're here because you're the man I want to talk to.
Good evening, Council. The last legislative meeting we had, the team approved me giving you the proposed salary ranges for the charter five.
That's true.
Two years old.
Yes.
You were going to take him back.
And administration had not had a chance to look at those.
And you had some different peer groups that I had.
I had some dated ones, but I think that they were directionally correct.
I just wonder how we're progressing on the review and your input on that.
You would also want to some additional information so that we were comparing or somebody on the committee did.
So we were comparing benefits and other things.
I didn't, I don't think we'd actually approve that.
I think it was just a salary part because some of this stuff
when you have different entities, then you open up a real trick bag
because people have been given benefits and lieu of salary increases
and I think we need to stick just with the salary and go from there. That's what I think we need to do.
Okay, I know we were still working on that other information and that's why we haven't brought it out.
I didn't answer that. I'd like to have that salary range, Mr. Martin Bianco,
has said that he's going to be calling a legislative meeting first month, sir.
First of all, yes. You can absolutely go ahead with that.
You'll be on that agenda, also, Mr. Martin Bianco.
That's appreciated.
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Next item.
About a month ago, I asked to have the update of the five-year forecast, including both
Enterprise funds.
We spent quite a bit of money on software, and we've finalized the budget.
Made all the changes.
They need to be plugged in.
And again, I would hope at a more reasonable time that I asked
last year to be eight months to get it.
I hope I get it sooner than that.
So there's another formal request on the five-year forecast
including both enterprise funds.
Last but not least, I don't know exactly the date,
but it was right after the first the year,
Plant and Rand gave us a report on an internal review.
And at that time, the council set a six-month window
for them to come back and give us an update report because they were going to do that.
I think we passed the six months.
Over a second, 7 p.m.
Okay, terrific.
Are you saying that?
No, no, it's not that tonight.
Okay, perfect.
Okay, you get out of that one, Mr. Hammond.
So you only have two to deal with.
So thank you, Mr. Hammond.
Thank you, Mr. Hammond.
Thank you, Mr. O'Keefe.
Any more council discussion?
Mr. President, Mr. Wells.
I just want to let Mr. Jackson and other people that are commenting on the city council page.
We have a big turnover at the city of Burton right now.
And I know you can't do anything about it.
Obviously, we can't either.
We're running on a skeleton crew.
And our priorities right now are making sure our roads are fixed.
So we're moving away from your house in the right direction.
Our water is coming into your house in the right direction.
Police are out there.
And if you just have some patience with us,
and listen, you were very patient.
And thank you for the call and the conversation
and for showing up tonight.
That's the final word right there.
You came, you told us, it's like you said you would.
Most people don't do that.
complain and complain and complain and they don't come forward and say hey you know thanks
for taking care of it. We got a lot going on here in the city right now and Mr. Abbey's
flattery's hands are overflowing and honestly they're doing a good job with what they've
got to work with.
So just bear with us, bear with us, we can just take care of and we'll
with the right way. Well, we'll always do the right thing in the end. So just want to let
you know that and anybody else that's out there. We're trying to get some more people involved
and try or some people, but they got to be the right people. We can't just hire a well in LA and
and hope it works out. So hang in there. Thank you, Ms. President. You Mr. Wells. Amanda? That ordinance
to you wrote up for the newspapers?
Could you forward that on to the clerk's office?
So, Mr. Mark Bianco causes legislative meeting
that she can forward it to the legislative committee?
I certainly will.
If I haven't, I believe I sent it to the mayor's office,
but I will certainly sent out for that to Ms. Bixby.
Okay. Thank you.
What we're talking about, junk cars,
Ellen Street,
in between Grand Travers, and
Saginaw Street, don't have the address.
You can't miss it, there's like 20 or 30 cars in the
Shard, and that's no exaggeration.
Where'd me?
Real close,
is there that many there?
What can we do about it?
I think while that, in summary, grandfathers,
was not a good fact, so it is not.
You start to run into the house of the city block.
You make clear
the fire that
is all.
You can handle the parents' tickets.
I don't think you can
just put that.
I can get that.
All right, as long as you're on top of it, I'm good.
Do you have any way to add
to the arch?
I hope a man to plug your ears, but you know what,
attorneys are in their opinions.
It's
a solid rule
of mind that you've decided to hold in years, and it's a model that's
all of your tracks, but you now have less than that to you than 20,
which is the question.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. Jackson, if you get with Mr. Clattery at the end, Mr. Abbey in the middle, or you're
Mr. Hammond right there, one of them three can help you,
and actually Mr. Hammond's
probably your best bet.
He makes things happen.
Any more counsel discussion?
President?
Mr. Smith.
I give this a lot of thought.
I believe we need to reach this question.
I do not know what there was.
There was a mystery in it between administration and the council on the budget issue.
And also there's a combination of things between the core of the court.
the labor training with contract negotiations.
We've been spending a lot of money on the legal.
$10,000 here, $10,000 in there to get out.
And I do feel we owe the residents and accountability
as to how this money being spent.
Right now, I couldn't tell you what was cost of that budget.
issue. And I think we owe that to the residents to explain it. We don't have to be held
a combo for action. We'll see a administration in a combo. Two parties, we both have
agreement, this agreement. So we shouldn't know what that would cost us. And the residents
shouldn't know. And I can't give them an answer right now.
The other thing is, is we
That's, hopefully, as a one-time issue, we spend a lot of money and we go, and I was looking
again at the expense of this again and that's not the change of that, but no one knows.
No one really knows what that cost us and that make it go back into the budget.
It means we find out what if it's a one-time thing, we don't know what it is, or something
you know.
I just missed it, so I don't know.
I would like to ask the administration to please provide me or the council, the bill, so I can pull all up and I can share with the residents.
For all, we're all guilty, the administration of the guilty, the council of the guilty, we couldn't come to a neutral decision without going to court.
We owe it to these people, but that cost.
I'm going to ask the administration to mean the council to read that and it is providing me with the invoices
and for government and the green filter if I can add it all up and I'll share it with the council.
They should go out there.
Then we should know what we don't have to say.
Those invoices are all available.
I asked you to provide them to us.
If they have the council.
So, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to look with, actually, invoices going back to
controllers office as now.
The start of the litigation to the end, the coffee's on it.
Good, the Maxwell bundle.
And you're tuning, I'll take it in there.
Do you also want the, you know, someone who's doing this?
No.
But you only want it as it replaced the litigation involving the mayor over the budget.
For example, what's under tonight is nothing to do with litigation.
And, yeah.
No, no, no, I'm talking about the Belzer Bill that's on there tonight.
Yeah, no, that's a different thing.
Yeah, that's just a pretty cool.
That's clerk related.
He's talking about the lawsuit, the mayor filed against the council.
Brian?
Brian, but these people should know what they're called.
We should know what they're called.
You don't know?
Yeah, I disagree that you don't know, but we can certainly provide that information.
I haven't seen the invoices, but I'm sure we've approved them, but I don't where they're at that.
I think they were putting them in some other stuff, so I'm looking for the invoices from a green color.
Okay.
From the start, and for teens, the budget, it's a green.
And so we ought to be able to be able to be able to.
Yeah, I just, that's fine.
I just disagree with the premise that we're not, that they weren't available.
Well, I asked you, I need to know, like, just to me that it worked and asked you for
them.
How about what line item they were paid out of?
I was just more interested in seeing, you've been adding $10,000 here, $10,000
there, and I don't know how much of what.
Yeah, just to be clear, I can go back and look at the record.
I don't think we've been adding $10,000 here and there for the bells or the green
Well, we don't know that all we know is we start out for the budget of $60,000, I could think of
these $2,000 increase, so that's $80,000.
Okay, I don't want to be labor to this.
I'll get you the information.
Okay, I mean, if you guys are comfortable, fine, but I have to.
Well, no, I agree with you.
I think we need to see that.
I do have a question.
I have number three on here specifically breaks out,
it looks like Elzer and Council President, Bertrand Billing.
So I guess my question referencing this one is when it came to, at several times,
How come that wasn't appeared on the agenda?
How come we were voting on that?
So how come this one would appear and to be approved by Council?
But when all that stuff was going out of the green
Father personal attorney of the mayor's, that would never show up
by the agenda.
Can you explain the differences?
To me, why one would appear in one would?
Sure.
The bells are bill was on there.
As a courtesy to council, because council hired Mr. Bells
the mayor, higher Mr. Greenfeller, and we're involved in lift.
And so those determination made that didn't need to come before council. In addition, with regard to this billing specifically, if you
made that determination.
The mayor did
July 6 of 2017, when you hired Mr. Bellzer,
you hired Mr. Bellzer and I'm
going to see if I can get the action item ready to use specifically.
Motion to hire Attorney Jack Bellzer to represent the Burton City Council in any litigation
in which the City Attorney cannot represent the Council due to conflict of interest.
So, in regard to these, you know, this is your call not ours, but in regard to this particular
building, for consultations with the Council, President Reference, the issue with the clerk,
I don't believe there was any question of there ever being a conflict of interest.
In fact, the court gave an opinion, I'm sorry, the city attorney gave an opinion on the
office. Certainly there was no conflict of interest there. You also had an opinion from Mr.
Ledford. So I'm not sure that that building, and again, this is Council's call. I'm not sure
that that building was actually, Mr. Bell's was actually even authorized under your authorizing
action in July of 2017.
This
makes sense, I mean, but in all fairness, our attorney also gives an opinion on the budget issue to win it up going all the way up heels court on it, so
But you took action to do that
And then I know I understand what you're reading
Each year again
We got the first bills around $25,000 at the very start
Then we never saw another bill
And green goes on
I have no idea
What it was
We got the bells and bells
It's like the toll between $1,000 and $1,000, $1,000, $1,000.
Didn't we have to FOIA that bill to get it?
If I remember correctly, I'd be proud to do that.
This we should know, we should know what the cost was,
and so these people can know.
And we should know the budget reasons,
but I have the transparency.
Nobody at this table or the mayor object to that
and to you having access to any invoices for any bill
I do certainly have that right.
Well, I'd expect the meeting of the time for you.
Thor, we'll get into you by the next meeting.
Thank you.
I think we'd all like copies of that.
Yeah, they all should know.
I mean, we're all involved.
You all should know.
That's the thing.
We'll make them available.
Any more calls to discussion?
One more thing, Mr. President.
Mr. Walls.
We had a nice presentation a couple weeks ago about water rate studies, and during that
presentation, it was alluded to $1.1 million in the red in the water department and it
happened to coincide with the water lines that we put in over off of Hempel Road.
Do you have anything from the state of Michigan that said that they were going to pass back
for that?
No, what I do have is they're not going to pay us back for door-to-door water, but I read the letter correctly.
Actually, you can read that thing as well as I have it.
I can said some light on the situation on shine and monomony, if that's essentially what we're talking about.
So we had a meeting with several lawmakers, including Senator Antoneck,
Representative, a snow or a representative from Pam Ferris's office, and Representative Nili.
I think that comes for everyone who is there. We have another meeting.
The Mayor and I on Wednesday, in Lansing with State Treasurer Nick Corey to address this issue.
And some other folks coming, I can't remember who, but I don't get Cory, I'll be there.
And we're continuing to push to get that reimbursement or at least some of it.
I guess the crux of my question is,
how could you guys avoid it to do that job if you didn't have something
in writing from the State to begin with? Well, our residents were drinking poison.
Okay? And our number one priority is council people. This is a safety and welfare of our residents.
Okay? So we had to do whatever it took to take the poison out of their house and give them fresh clean water.
And they were getting clean water from the state. This part of being on the water line.
And on the water line, reconnected, ran water there.
And I agree that they, I wanted them hooked up to the Burton water line, so we could, you
know, they should be a part of Burton water line. They're a Burton customers.
But until you knew you were going to get, until you had something in writing that you
were going to get $1.1 million back, I don't know how you could have forward with that
project. It's mind-blowing to me.
When it comes to poisoning children,
people not being able to bathe in their own homes,
we have some tough choices to bathe.
We all, all seven of us at the time agreed
that we need to do something.
But we did it.
If I didn't.
Why didn't you?
I mean, if that was truly the case,
why would the state not have just come forward and say,
We were told we were going to get everything flint got.
The flint didn't offer door to door water deliveries.
That's why we're not getting paid back from that.
We may get paid back for the rest of it.
Well, we did get some of the money back for the door to door deliveries
and some of the time that we put in.
But you're right, the governor's office assured us that we would be included.
Not just the city of Burton, but all effected a resonance when they redress the issues in the costs
and are associated with the in Flint that if you will, the greater Flint area to include Burton and other communities would be part of that settlement.
And that's what we're fighting for.
I'm still going to take some work, but I'm reasonably confident that we have the right players in the room and meeting with the State Treasurer.
I think I'll be helpful as you know.
Also happens to hail from Burton.
Cruisley.
Right.
Yes.
I'd
like to get some updates on that.
Mr. Hammond.
As you get them, I'd like to see what's going on down there.
I'm going to talk to Mr. Ann and I to myself and see if he can push for it.
I mean we can't afford to give away 1.1 million dollars.
Right.
And I think anybody, you know, any member of the council, we would welcome any
input or any influence that you can
consider it with any of our lawmakers to help get us that money.
We had to do it over again today.
I would vote the exact same way.
We've been to for not the go-of-one, or the trip back.
Well, there was a conversation that you just said, Mr.
Haven, that the state who did burden for the reimbursement program,
everything else for it, and whether it was in writing or not,
there was some kind of correspondence that was read to us about the state backing us
and everything else. Obviously, we had checking the end or anything like that.
But then we went ahead and moved forward with project and all of the states.
One, we backing out of what they said they would do for us.
One hundred percent correct. And there were things in writing and I can tell you that Mr.
Beard from the governor's office and others at the state level, including our state lawmakers,
have a thick packet of the correspondence between the administration and the
lengthy excitation, somebody done the way out now, so
we did use some CDBG money for
that also, didn't we?
The 135,000 wasn't it?
Yes.
I don't like that.
The real issue is the guy should have known by now, not the trust
politicians.
Spread it.
Get it?
You're okay.
And then your butts are covered.
I agree with the comments that you made, you know, again, today versus when we passed
this, there's a whole different story, and especially all our phones were ringing off the
hall.
People were here, and again, it was the right thing to do with the right time.
What I do with the same way today.
Yeah, I think I would.
However, I did, if you remember, Voice of Concern, that Flint seems to be getting all the
timeline on this thing. And again, I just hope that, you know, if we do this, that we're
not forgotten about, and if you remember, uh, Madam Attorney, I spoke to you about the
liability that these folks are supposedly going to be protected years from now, especially
children, if they have some problems or something like that. That's the part I was concerned
about. I'm still concerned about that. But I'm just a human. I think you guys are on the right
course, I think, play nice right now and try to go to the right people and I think you're
doing that.
However, at the end game, if we don't get this, I think we need to go to the press and say,
hey, Burton Michigan is on the same map as Flint, Michigan is.
And we're a very small community that has some definitely some financial difficulties.
And we popped a million one to fix our neighborhood up that had to be fixed.
There was no question about that, and now we're being hung out to dry.
So I think I would play nice now, but when we get to that point where things aren't going
the way we think they should be, I think that's when we take the gloves off.
Well, so let me talk about taking the gloves off briefly.
So we made a very clear to the Genesee County delegation that we want to play nice on this.
We want to explain to the state that there was a very, what in the best, in the best frame there was a misunderstanding, the letter that we got, denying us this money, said that, well, you guys have planned to do it anyway as part of the DWF program, that is absolutely false, we made that very very clear, we couldn't have done it, it wasn't our infrastructure to begin with.
In terms of being nice and then playing hardball, we also made it clear to the delegation that we'd like to do it through them this way if possible.
That's why we got the meeting with Treasurer Curry.
However, we also made it clear that there are other things on the table, including leveraging the media and including possible litigation.
If it came to that, we are not very yet, but those are certainly things that are in our, in our, in our, you know, in our ability to exercise.
On your right, on track.
Thank you, Mr. O'Keefe.
Anything else from the council?
Hearing none, we'll move into council action.
They didn't want to move in all the authority as attorney billing Doyle.
731, 2018.
by the Vice President supported by Constance Smith.
Any discussion?
All the role, please?
Mr. Haskins. Mr. Hepner.
Yes. Mr. Martin Mianko.
Yes. Mr. Wells.
Yes. Mr. O'Keefe.
Yes. Mr. Smith.
Yes. Motion carried.
Item two.
Who can authorize payment to attorney billing and misoode?
I want.
By the Vice President.
Or by Constance Smith, any discussion?
All the role, please.
Mr. House. Mr. Have Known. Mr. Martha Miocko.
Yes. Mr. Wells.
Oh. Mr. Steve Keefe.
Yes. Mr. Smith. Yes.
Motion carried.
Item 3.
Moving on.
trace it.
Attorney Billing Jack Bellzer.
July 2018.
The amount of $568.75.
Or by the Vice President supported by
Consumance and Smith. Any discussion,
Mr. President?
Mr. Marshall.
I offered amendment.
because it is printed in the record that we strike the area of the
parenthetical notation that discussed what the consultations with the council
president were all about. And one of the reasons for that is you don't see
that on any other attorney billing that we've got, but it appears to me that the
administration is singly now at the council president for exercising what is
necessarily he has authority and issues of temporal concern. And I think we all
had to agree that that had to be done, and, you know, it's just like if you don't like
somebody's opinion, you're going to go get another one.
Just double check on yourself, so I would move that amendment to strike from the record that
Perynthetical Notation that was made.
Is there support?
That's part of it.
It's supported.
The motion to strike the, like teen's consultation with Council President, I must have
I'm going to support it by Mr. Askins. Any discussion on striking that portion of it?
Mr. Wells, Mr. Smith just made a small speech for you minutes ago about being transparent to our...
Residents about where all this money from returning free is they're going. I, for the life of me, don't understand, how many opinions do you need on this?
I mean, what opinion did he give you? Let's start with that.
I don't think we should.
I'm 100% sure you can't talk about it publicly.
What do you mean?
Probably, I will.
What do you mean, you're not going to talk about it publicly?
Just what I just said.
Any litigation?
We can't talk about it at this meeting.
Litigation regarding the city clerk?
Criminal and civil.
This is specifically regarding the city clerk.
I see what's going on here.
You've got a little loophole going where you can just
all in the attorney you want.
That's going to add up fast.
If you guys want to support it, go ahead.
It's very highly irregular and probably somewhat illegal because he doesn't, he should speak for all the council.
Unfortunately, Mr. Wells, I can't call all the council, but I was in consultation with the legislative chair and the financial chair that both encouraged me to call the attorney.
Well, why didn't you call them meeting for the City Council, so we could all discuss it?
You're spending taxpayer money.
You've already contacted Mr. Gleason.
You told you, we already got a clerk.
You've already contacted our attorney, Mrs. Doyle.
I think she gave you pretty much the same answer.
I don't know what Mr. Bellzer would tell you that was different.
You didn't give me that answer, Mr. Gleason said that they had no help to offer us.
He said, you already got a certified clerk, but you might want to read the whole letter.
I did.
The bottom of it said at this time, the county had no help to offer us.
Because you've got to go home.
You have to leave your problems with their election, by the way.
Now we did.
Mr. President.
Mr. O'Keefe.
I have a different plan on this.
Again, when we hired Mr. Belzer, we had a motion.
We went through the channels.
we approved it, and it was for just a specific purpose.
I think we need another motion, at least a minimum, that gives the authority because
one person can't go out and hire an attorney and get a legal opinion, none of us can.
You're self-included.
Again, if you want to put a motion out there, at least we would be covered that way, but
I think right now we're kind of going against what, as Mr. Well said it, you know,
one person gets and money here among the seven of us has to be put in a motion, has to be voted
upon. That's all I got to say. Any more discussion? Call the roll, please.
What are we voting on? Item three. Mr. Michael mediumman. Oh, on the amendment to remove
July 2018 consultation with Council President,
we're voting on, we're moving that.
President?
Yes, sir.
Do you have to see attorney?
I mean, would it what would be your counsel on this?
Is that on?
I guess I don't understand what the question is.
Well, here with Danny said, you heard where Dennis said,
I do believe the Council President was right.
He's doing his due diligence.
We had, at the council meeting, we thought we had all agreed, you were here, Dennis, and we
could, you were directed to do some correspondence to the state and to the county.
So, but we didn't do a vote on it, so, but we all left thinking that was going to happen.
And then after the fact that did not happen, so the council president then said, hey, this
what we had asked have done, or we thought we did, so, where we had, where we had, do we
need to do something here that do a vote or on what Dennis said, or do we do with this
or as it is?
Yes, with regards to Mr. Belzer, the ultimate question is, is he still retained for that particular
purpose?
If you believe he is still retained for this particular purpose, then no, a vote would not be necessary.
However, if you believe this is a separate issue, then yes, you would have to retain him again for that separate issue.
Thank you.
My point is this, guys.
We're going down a real treacherous road here.
You may have hired Mr. Belzer in regards to the last topic.
You were arguing with the mayor about it has cost them asked for a lot of nomenical amount of money
But this is totally different topic. This is this is a city clerk
So I mean if you if you're gonna open the door and you three guys are gonna make the decision for all the city council
I'm totally opposed to that
And it shouldn't be that way and I think you know that
Madam attorney
I think at this time what I'll do is I would throw my motion to go ahead and approve and pay this until weekend came up with a motion to make sure that Mr. Bellzer was retained in the right fashion with a proper motion.
I would like to say this much that this is possible litigation again and it is clarification of what we're trying to understand here.
just been talked about open meetings,
what clarification was going on with where you were here
for them meetings.
This isn't a big surprise to anybody except for what exactly
was discussed.
Obviously I'm not privy to that either right now.
But I would be more than happy to withdraw my motion
and make a table in motion until we can get this address
under your profession to pay it to make sure
that he was retained in the right fashion, I guess.
I honestly believe from our last motion that I believe that Mr. Belzer is probably
retained in the right fashion on this because of this goes in a different direction
that we have to end up in court again.
Does any Attorney General be able to recognize it?
Well, let's have Mr. Hammond read that motion again that he read earlier.
Mr. Belzer.
What will we retain?
Bellzer the first time.
Okay. Motion is to hire attorney Jack Belzer to represent the Burn City Council in any litigation in which the city attorney cannot represent the council due to conflict of interest.
There you go.
I think there's your answer.
So would you like to withdraw your withdrawal?
I would withdraw the amended.
Yeah, I will withdraw my withdrawal.
So my motion was still stand.
I just think that there's probably going to have to go something to where this is, whether the executive session with Elzer or whatever we do, we can do that.
I think exactly what was going on.
I think maybe if you might need to be explained before.
Some people vote on paying it.
So that would be my only, I think that if we're voting on this to pay for it, maybe council should be in the loop.
Why would you like to have an executive set a close session with the journey belser?
Now if we can't obtain, what's the conflict of interest between you?
Well then disregard, I guess if, no, what's the, I just, I guess I need to know what
the conflict of interest is with our own attorney, why can't, did you give an opinion on the
clerk?
I think you did.
If this is the issue though, as I understand it, Mr. Wells, is we don't know what
right now what those consultations were for, if they were for the potential litigation with
regard to the city clerk by the council, then no, there would be a conflict, but I don't
know what those consultations were about, so I don't know if I would have been conflicted
out or not.
Well, it's just an interpretation of the chart, or really.
It addresses the mayor's 30 days to name a clerk.
And I understand that, but that does not tell me.
It was rejected it.
She came back and named another one.
The council rejected it.
This could go on and on and on.
I don't want to see another 1.1 million dollars
this the way on a clerk when it's very simple.
It's a very simple solution.
And part of the solution is the stop point politics.
If you can't figure out who's going to be a clerk, we have a certified clerk right now right
there.
Actually we don't.
There we do.
She sure is.
She's acting clerk, but she's certified.
You're already ran to elections.
She wasn't confirmed by the council.
And that's not the administration's fault.
That's what I'm saying.
They're following the charter.
They're throwing bodies at you, you're throwing them back.
You want to name your own clerk, because that's not how the charter works.
The mayor names them, and we either confirm or don't confirm.
That's right.
The other part of the issue is,
if people watch this meeting and see what's going on in this city,
they don't want to come here and be a clerk or anything else.
We can't find suitable people to hire in different positions right now.
Well, our discussion right now is on Mr Mark Bianco's amendment.
Is there any more discussion on the amendment?
Hold a roll please.
Mr Halskins?
Mr Heffner?
Yes.
Mr Martin Bianco?
Yes.
Mr Wallace?
Mr. O'Keefe?
No.
Mr Smith?
Yes.
Mushroom Kari.
Item three.
We were not authorized to turn you building Jack Belzer in the amount of $5,680.
75 cents.
Somebody already is moved in.
Somebody's already supported.
Oh, gosh.
It's been half hours until we did that.
I think so.
Any more discussion?
All the role please.
Mr. Halskins?
Mr. Havevermark?
Yes.
Mr. Murdoch?
Yes.
Mr. Wells?
What are you calling a role on?
This is to pay to them.
There's a amendment.
I have no where he did that.
Okay.
There was no motion made.
No support.
was like he's just said it was about half hour ago now this is you guys are
wow no Mr. Keith no Mr. Smith yeah I didn't for proven authorized the
mayor in city clerk execute a contract with real professional services
removed his rent or the councilman will keep supported by councilman Martin
Bianco any discussion Mr. President through you to Mr. Slattery
Hi, Bob.
This is the preliminary engineering on this project.
Yes, sir.
It's scheduled for 2019 for the construction,
or is it 2020?
Well, we're hoping to do that in 2019, sir.
The State Infrastructure Bank loan is given us preliminary approval
of our application and things are looking very good
to be able to do that project next summer, 2019.
Very good.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Martin Bianco.
Anyone else?
Council discussion here on this one.
Other role, please.
Mr. Haskins.
Mr. Huffner.
Yes.
Mr. Martin Mianko.
Mr. Wells.
Yes.
Mr. OK.
Yes.
Mr. Smith.
Motion carried.
Item five.
We've been authorised a sale of lap 25 in person.
We've moved by the Vice President.
Ordered by Councilman Smith.
Any discussion?
Mr. President.
Mr. Wells.
another one that sticks in my car,
millions of dollars of property were sold. That the
taxpayers have money into inside walks, infrastructure, and so forth.
This gentleman bought
some of them, I guess, gave them back to the city, and now he's cheery pickin' them. Yes,
that happens to be in my neighborhood.
We recently, the city had to come out and mow the grass
because you won't do it.
I was $2,000 Mr. Abby,
$2,000 to those lots in that neighborhood.
I'm not sure somewhere in that neighborhood, if we break it down, you have three guys
with the equipment that we charge off for the day and a half.
So, actually almost two days total, first they did the first half then, so I don't know
the exact breakdown, but it's better than $1,500 at least.
I'm sure I've taught him I had to do the exact breakdown and I haven't, but we can.
Isn't it?
It's just mouth.
Yes, for softly, it doesn't really almost properties correct.
He just has the first option, that's true, if you recall, almost three years ago, you
approved a sale to buy malar ponds, cross creek, we sold three lots out right in Burton
states with the balance giving him a over doing a three-year period, the first right
a refusal at this price, $7,000 in some change. So he's attempting to exercise this right.
And this parcel, be quite honest, I don't believe we really have any choice.
Part of the sales agreement. To me, it was a good move, because we have no
or a ponds, it's sold out. They're going for over $200,000.
We have a cross cross creek.
They're building their line trees. I go through those. They're close to me.
And I think for where we were three years ago, to where we are today, I think it was a phenomena
move that the council made, we have, I'm not sure how many, how many, come in, additional
homes are now sold in Narapond. This is substantial. It's substantial in both subdivisions.
And these are not cheap homes. These are relatively expensive homes. Oh, they're not completely
built out, but they're at the cost. I have to just point it out, but yes. So, you know, we technically,
the gentleman's Biden buyer's agreement, I think where we did was great. I had no problem with
at all. We had lots of setting there. There's stuff that's going on and then. So I think what
we did, we have a lot more that are at homes that are now. We have families coming in,
shopping in Burton. I think what we did, the situation we were handed with where property wasn't
in a city. I think we did the best we could, what we had. I'm proud of it.
The point I'm making here is this, and we offered those to the residents of the city of Burton for $7,200, a lot.
I think we get to solve every one of them again.
You had lots of lots.
We couldn't get rid of.
You couldn't find anybody.
Everybody walked away from them.
The builder walked away from the bank, walked away from them.
You just stopped paying the tax.
And we were stuck with the special assessments.
Yes.
At a former council that you were a part of, I know you were part of putting us in that
predicament.
Mr. Huffner.
Was you not on the council that approved that?
Yes, I was.
Okay, there you go.
There I go.
And here's the thing.
Times change.
Now we're going back the other way.
Now there's an urban flow in government at the time that we made that decision.
People were building houses in Burton.
That's the only thing to keep Burton going by the way.
Okay, when the bottom drop, it didn't just drop in Burton, it dropped all the way across the country.
What's your coming back, and you're trying to slam us for something we did to try to write it wrong?
I'm not blaming anyone. If you listen, I'm not blaming anyone.
What it does is sticks in my crowd that we have people in the city of Burton, it would buy a $7,500 lot in that subdivision.
Rather than have this guy cherry pick all the good lots, and then how do you give somebody a right or first review is a refusal on property doesn't even own?
That's how we got him to buy cross creek and mallard puns.
They would still be sitting there empty.
You don't think he would have bought him without them.
Did he have a right or first refusal in cross creek?
Is there any other edge?
Mallard puns?
He bought them out right, didn't he?
Bottom out right.
That's correct.
Okay, we were trying to fix a mistake that a prior council made. Oh, I'm not well, we are that's what we tried to do
That's that's you know what that's this council's whole agenda
Somebody else did it we got a fix it
And that's what has been the last few years as fixed in mistakes of the past all right
Any more discussion on item five
Mr. Halskins.
Mr. Smith.
Motion carried.
Item six.
Sumer's Energy Company Gas and or Electric Franchise Ordnance.
Mr. Halskins.
Mr.
Halskins.
Mr. Halskins.
excuse me.
Any discussion?
Call the roll, please.
Mr. Haskins.
Mr. Hapner.
Mr. Martin Mioco.
Yes.
Mr. Wells.
Mr. O'Keefe.
Yes.
Mr. Smith.
Thank you.
You can get your agenda.
And you can now find minutes at www.bertonemye.gov.
Do you think I'll just come before the council?
Yes, Mr. President.
just a request. So as you know, we canceled tonight's committee, schedule committee, the
whole meeting and we'd like to reschedule that the folks that we're going to, some of
the folks that we're going to do the presentation have a conflict because some of them are
our members of council's and governmental bodies in other communities. So they had a conflict
on the first and third Mondays and I'm hoping to reschedule that as soon as possible on a non-council
meeting night. I don't know if we can take care of that tonight but these folks are waiting to hear
from us or we're going to come down and give you a presentation and give you answer any questions you
might have. With the legislative chair and he can set all that up. That would be great. Thank you.
Sir, Mr. O'Kee,
October 2nd, at 7 p.m.,
we have Michelle and Eric here from Whitmerhand.
Thank you, sir.
Anything else in council?
Hearing none, we're adjourned at 808.
I'm not hooked up to the lift, I think that's by design top, they want us on the
roller coaster.
Yeah, I see you on the way, thank you so much.
How are you doing?
I don't know, nobody's told me.
Oh, not here.
We just need a lot of power to take it up here.
Yeah.
I'm so budget-sweet and reading a book that I like to give them.
Thank you, sir.
Thank
you, sir.
Yeah, I'll show you.
I'll show you.
Yeah, I haven't forgot your brother.
I'll show you.
Did you?
I'm sorry, I feel better now.
I'm going to get 500 bucks.
I'll get it all right.
How about two hours?
I think he
thought he was going to make the money still.
He took 40 pound bags.
That's what a 180.
No, it's 40 cents.
It's good.
Appreciate it.
Maybe you guys didn't realize the new man.
Hey, not much.
What you've been doing? I haven't seen you in a hundred years. Oh, are
you sorry about that?
I'm I'm allegedly sold the corner and then that deal fell through. I had told us so
I got to have your hardener face, I got something going on, and then you get my hang of it.
That's it.
I don't know.
What's the nine things?
Well, no, that's forever.
That should go with the legislature, or the finance chair.
And then they'll bring it to us.
Well, it turns out a lot of money.
Well, you got to take it for me.
I have some hard problems.
They're going to get those trained around.
I have some good in the issues.
Doctors as I can't get this thing.
I'm sure that's what I'm sure of.
Yes, I guess that's what you're mom.
Six.
Go.
One of them too.
I like to think so sometimes.
Would you like that?
Yeah.
I like that.
All right.
Well, can you tell who's doing the politics?
It's not.
It's easy.
Go back.
Oh, yeah.
What are we trying to do?
We're trying to fix the problem.
We need pause.
She's working.
42 years.
I can't.
You know, playing for us, we wasn't here last time, but first of all he's just clueless and a lot of this stuff, I mean, he's totally clueless.
for
nine corrects us.
It's been a little bit more.
It's been a little bit more there.
We did. We did. We did not want this time.
It's been $3 million.
Ah, very nice.
Very nice.
Now you get to see how the democracy works.
Or doesn't.
The planet would say that they would do something.
You did. We're trying to see.
We're trying to see.
But the pension.
That's the, you take care.
I think it's just a finished committee.
It's not a thing.
They don't.
The bonds are Jeremy.
What could we do?
We'll give you a question.
And see if we have the luxury of looking back.
I can, the compensation.
Anything is compensation.
It's got to go.
Because we don't really make a law.
We can make a policy that says, you know, any commission members are going to get this.
We're zoning into a parks and record.
I think we're at play.
Yeah.
Yeah, but he should go through one of them because it's a captain's castle.
I thought we had to have something to weigh in.
Why can't you do that?
I can do that.
You sure about that.
Oh yeah.
That's what we do.
It's all in the compensation to me.
I'm sure there's some rules about it.
Although they're going to get...
No, we'll see.
Mr. Haydn, he's a great scientist.
Mr. Zip, is that 10-dollar statement?
Mr. Zip, I mean.
Right.
No way.
I got to tell you.
Time.
Time had been talking about given all the commission to ten dollars.
Didn't you do that?
Do you do that?
time.
What?
You said we're going to give them all like a ten dollar boost?
Yeah, we talked about that.
We're going to give them all that.
If for your gas.
You'll be how much?
We're good for the recognition.
Good for the recognition.
Yeah, some apparently some galantaves, some zoos did.
Greg, over Gemsworth, she's interested in that.
I was down there, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
They're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all, they're all.
Oh yeah, sure, sure.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Got a show for you.
Come on, let's go.
Yeah, what the hell's up?
Yeah, they come really and always...
Oh yeah.
Oh my god, no kid.
Oh, yeah, yeah, man.
Yeah, even trying to stop this one here.
Here's, don't be really cool.
Yeah, no, no, don't be really cool.
Yeah, no, don't be really cool.