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Call the order of the planning and zoning board. The chair declares a quorum. We need to

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approval of the agenda before us. There is one change to the agenda item E2 is going to be moved

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after F6, as the case will have a bearing on the reconsideration of E2. So with that change,

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I need a motion to approve the agenda.

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Second, Andy on the motion, and Kermit on the second.

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Oh, those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed motion carried. Approval of the minutes of the

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November 4th, 2025, meeting minutes, is there any additions and or corrections?

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If not, we need a motion to approve.

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Make a motion to approve a minute.

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A second.

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Christy on the motion, Bryce on the second.

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Further discussion.

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All those in favor say aye, those opposed motion carried.

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First item under Old Business, item E1, public carrying to consider C20504, a request to

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operate an outdoor recreation rodeo events located at 2880 Northwest County Line Road,

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Benton, Kansas, and one thing staff, if you would read the, we've come up with a little

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bit of the, to hopefully keep our meetings moving alone.

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Audience participation, participation from the four, or the audience on any matter may be limited

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at the discretion of the presiding officer when, in the opinion of the presiding officer such

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participation is repetitious, contained statements, derogatory to the character integrity,

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or actions of the planning commission, or any member without support of such allegations.

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When the course of business due to the number of matters to be considered, or the number of

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people requesting to be heard, will not reasonably permit further participation.

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person speaking on a given item or case from the floor may speak only once, unless otherwise

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requested to do so by the Planning Commission members, or when such person receives permission

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from the presiding officer.

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Thank you.

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No, no, no, no.

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Please.

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Yes, Jose and Luis.

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Jose Luis and Eva Rivera on a track of land containing 37 plus or minus acres.

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The property is currently zoned Ag 80.

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The owners deserve to operate rodeo events on their property.

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On September 2nd, 2025, the planning commission tabled the request so that staff could

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look further into some issues related to the dam breach area located on the property.

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On October 7th, the planning commission tabled the request until December 2nd at the request

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to the owners, the operational plan indicates that a maximum of eight total events shall be

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allowed in a calendar year. Two of the eight events may be classified as a major event,

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which would allow for a maximum of 400 attendees. Any other event would allow for a maximum

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of 300 attendees. Individual events shall last no more than four days total, beginning

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on a Thursday and ending on a Sunday, and the owner shall maintain a calendar which would be

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available to the county upon request. Upon demonstration of additional part, parking the

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owner would like to reserve the right to request additional occupancy per the zoning administrator.

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The plan indicates a schedule for live music, which is Thursday 7 a.m. to 10 p.m.

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Friday

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and also notes the following that the county sheriff's office is to be notified at least 48

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hours in advance of the in-e events.

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The applicant shall coordinate with the township officials for the cost and or provision

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of material needed for any necessary road maintenance.

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The property shall be maintained in the substantial compliance with the site plan submitted.

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Any substantial deviation from the site plan shall require approval from the zoning administrator

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The conditionally use shall become null and void upon the transfer of ownership.

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If the county zoning administrator finds that there is a violation of any of the conditions

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the zoning administrator may enforce all the remedies outlined in the Butler County

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zoning code.

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The property is zoned ag AD, as mentioned, the intent and purpose of the zoning regulation

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has a pita ag AD zoning classification.

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is to allow for minimal development in rural areas outside the urban growth area.

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It is more suitable in rural locations inside the UGA where adequate public roads and public services are available.

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It is not necessarily whether it proposes consistent with the intent and purpose of the zoning regulations

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but whether the proposed use is appropriate for the area in which it is located.

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The property is located outside the urban growth area of the county and is being used for

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ag purposes. The property is surrounded by ag, AD and ag, 40 properties. There are some

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r r properties located just over a mile to the south on the border of the urban growth area

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boundary. There is one other conditional use for an event venue located approximately one

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off my way on Northwest Butler Road.

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The current home is serviced by Harvey County

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rural water district number six.

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There is a three-inch water main that runs on the east side

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of Northwest County Line Road.

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If the owner does request to extend water to the event area,

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a feasibility study would need to be conducted

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and a second meter would be required.

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Northwest County Line Road is a gravel roadway

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maintained by Murdoch Township.

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North West 30th Street located to the North as a paved county roadway.

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The site plan does indicate the proposed parking area would be located to the west of the

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existing Pavilion, and the drive to this area would be located on Northwest County Line

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The operational plan does suggest the owners willing to assist in a cost of maintenance on

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Northwest County Line Road after an event.

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Staff did reach out to the Murdoch Township Trusty.

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He was going to run the idea of a maintenance agreement by the board members, but wouldn't

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happen until December 8th.

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However, he did suggest that the entrance is a short distance from Northwest 30th Street and

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that ranchers and farmers in the area are always running large vehicles down the roadway.

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Electricity is provided by the role of electric.

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There is a restroom located at the rodeo area, which currently drains to a septic tank.

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If approved staff would need to ensure the tank meets codes,

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staff does fill there will be in some impact on surrounding property owners and is proposing consideration of the following conditions to limit those impact.

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Event hours could be taken into consideration 90M to 11 PM with no loud music or no loud noise or music after 10 PM.

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steps should be taken to manage the flow of traffic to and from northwest county line road.

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The entrance located off at northwest of the street should not be utilized for the events.

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If Murdoch Township requires a maintenance agreement, the owner shall enter into such agreement.

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All lighting should be pointed in a downward direction to limit the impact on surrounding neighbors.

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Alcohol should only be served by those licensed seducer.

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comply with building code inspections on any structure constructed without building permit and or sewage permit.

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The sheriff out office shall be notified at least 48 hours in advance of each event and all other state and local requirements related to the operation of the business shall be met.

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There is a FEMA map to area located on the property.

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Sorry I'm long-winded tonight, I'm trying to give you a full picture.

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There is a FEMA map to area located on the property that runs north

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and south along Wildcat River.

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A portion of the rodeo arena and some pins are located within the

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FEMA map to area.

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These existing structures appear to be located mostly outside this area.

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Just a small portion of the rodeo area itself might be located in.

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There is a large dam breach and a nation area located on the property.

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All of the arena structures and pens are located in this area.

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However, after further investigation, the map overlay used to determine the dam breach

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area or NRCS files which were provided sometime in 2021 to staff.

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These files have not been available to the general public despite several attempts to do so.

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For the more state studies and shape files,

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probably should really be used to determine

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the drain breach areas or watershed areas,

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but not all the dams have been studied in the state of Kansas.

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Staff at this time is unwilling to enforce any damn breach

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or watershed areas until further information is provided.

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Staff will note that many of the structures in this area,

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which would allow for the continued flow of water.

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The owners should be aware that they may be

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located in a high risk area in the event there is a damage.

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Staff received a letter from neighboring property owner, the letter contained many signatures

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that did note the following concerns.

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There is extremely loud noise that includes music and announcements.

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It is an open air event, the increase in traffic, bright lights, no permanent restroom,

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or handwashing facilities, fire department and EMS support, unlicensed alcohol is being served.

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The rodeo is not approved by the Kansas rodeo association.

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Staff has also received several putters and support of the events, which includes some

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of the close neighbors that do attend the events.

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They do not have an issue with the noise or traffic.

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The Reversors are good neighbors and can attest to their good character and it's just a general overall support of outdoor activities.

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The Reversors have been part of a non-profit organization and I'm going to butcher this name called Duration,

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on Mexico and Andrea AC, for approximately 22 years, generally participants perform in competitions

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so showcasing skills like roping, riding, and coordinated team maneuvers while celebrating

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Mexico's natural heritage.

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Chairman.

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Questions for staff is given a slot in the other questions, does the applicant or someone

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represent the applicant?

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For everyone here tonight, the same goes when we need your name and address each time that you're at the mic because it gets confusing when they're transcribing it later.

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Thank you.

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Kim Eddington, PSC Consulting 2532 North Cardinal Drive, which is talk Kansas.

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I am working with the reverers on this property and on this case, I do a mediation

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role at times to work between staff and property owners to figure out ways that we can work

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through these kind of projects to come to the best resolution possible and help the community

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grow that make sure that all of the things that need to be done are taken care of, a lot

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of the things that Toby's already mentioned tonight as far as having a very good comprehensive

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set of requirements and rules that will apply to this property to ensure that it operates

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in a manner that's good for the community but that also allows the reverse to maximize the potential

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of their property to incorporate their heritage and something that they are passing along to their

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children and grandchildren and have been involved in for many, many years. So all of those conditions

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that Toby mentioned, we are certainly in agreement with, we feel like it does make sense to have some

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restrictions that will protect the neighbors. We certainly want to do that. We are glad that you

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were able to see all of this support from those neighbors who are closest and nearest to this

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property, who are most affected, that they've been working well together.

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They, the reverse have been good neighbors to them.

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They have also worked with the township in the past to provide materials for the road,

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and are always willing to do so, and more than happy to enter into any kind of agreement with the township,

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to ensure that that maintenance is kept up.

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The number of events is, you know, it's not huge, it's eight events a year, so it's certainly not something that's going to be going on on a weekly, even monthly basis.

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So we'd ask to put some kind of limitations there as well for the overall number of events and the times that they can be operated.

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certainly understand that, you know, it's not something that is needs to be going on all the time.

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So, I will be glad to answer any questions that you might have not served, you know, where we want it.

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I expect I will come back.

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Yes, I expect I will come back up at some point.

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Keep track of questions as they come up, but they will ask you those questions, then.

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to know that we will do our very best to address those and to hear the concerns and do it.

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We can to assert that it will be taken care of.

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Question from the Board at this moment.

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I have one.

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So in our packet, it was mentioned that they've been involved in this non-profit association for 20 years.

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Where have these events been done previously?

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They're all over.

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In fact, the reason that they could not be here for the November meeting was because they

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we're participating at an event in Mexico for a similar function.

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And I know Mitchen was made about that, you know, this particular use, not being part

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of the Kansas Rodeo Association.

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There are very different kinds of activities and events.

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The kind of the ceremonial aspect of these type of events is not something that is really

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included or covered in the Kansas Rodeo Association or your typical Western Rodeos.

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Other questions?

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Thank you, ma'am. You'll have a chance to come back at them.

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Thank you. Anyone else here to speak on this case?

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Do we have a mic here?

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Yep. Because we could already hear her back there. My name is John Roy.

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And my address is a 2480 Northwest County Lied Road.

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I'm a farmer, landowner in that area.

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One by 600 acres, part of it right next to a reverse place.

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And then the others is about half mile or so from the rodeo arena in the area.

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I've been asked by the community, most of the community that's out there talked tonight and present our story.

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And in your possession, you should have a document that was given to you.

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which I think you do that you kind of refer to the kind of give some general out of

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this stuff.

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There was things.

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So I'm not going to re-pile that ground because I'm assuming we've all read it.

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And the neighborhood helped me put that together actually.

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And so I put the Senate, which I appreciate it.

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The neighborhood.

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And then that document that I just held up, it says that,

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respectfully requesting that both the rodeo and the venue is not being approved, and I'll give you a

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little more information. Well I'm most of it is in that document that I talked about, but we're

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going to hit on a couple things and Mr. Bruce Bogdacker will hit on what I'm not hitting on,

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so we don't cover the same ground twice. And we also want to kind of stay in the past. We've had to

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And kind of monitors, and enforcement arm, and people make the 911 calls, 11 30 tonight.

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You know, trying shut down the noise, so we go the bed, and all the other activities,

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livestock running, we go up and down the road, and running over our farms, or the sooner

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our crops, and so we'd rather not get in a situation.

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You know, if you approve certain things, you know, well, then those have to be enforced.

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And that would be a follow-up.

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And our history would, with this out there, it's been that they don't do what they say they were going to do.

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And I think that's kind of critical.

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I've got a document here.

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I want to hold up, too.

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And I don't know if you've got that in your little pack or not.

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But this is actually, it was given to the Planning Commission in July of 2014, and it kind of outlines some things that I think are kind of important because everything that they said they were going to do in a document they did do.

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But for example, they said in this document right here that they were applying for a rodeo and a racetrack.

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And basically.

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And so, in the documents states that there will be a rodeo, racetrack.

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And the rodeo, and I'm just kind of paraphrased all this, a rodeo, the rodeo arena,

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how to be constructed and my effectors even a diagram and a back of this document.

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And of course what's there is not even close to what's here.

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I mean not even close.

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Not even recognizable.

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And they said they wanted to share their traditions.

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Mexico is a culture and a variable with us.

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And they've done that but not in a good way.

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They said that they wanted their activities down there to be fun.

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enjoy both our community, and I could tell you that it's not fun, it's not enjoyable.

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Put yourself in our shoes, you have to realize this rodeo of that, it's only two to three days.

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The journey starts up right after the lives and runs through the afternoon, runs through the evening,

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runs through the up to midnight and the past midnight, turns into one or two.

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And it's amazing how somebody can play music that long, but they can, and it'll rally

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your windows a couple miles away.

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And it's also the announcing actually as worse, and it's just not acceptable.

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also don't have same meeting that this document held up right here by even Rivera, which is

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Jose's a wife, the people that are actually the rodeo deal, they said that, and it kind

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This was verbal, and the chairman at the time asked some questions to, and they agreed to them.

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And they said there would be no alcohol, no food service, no lights, no charge.

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They said it was only for family and friends.

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Wouldn't be very big.

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No big loud speakers, no loud music, or announcing that would disturb or annoy anybody in the surrounding properties,

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or houses.

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And that's not the way it turned out. It's just not the way it turned out.

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And so the last six items were documented during the meeting. I talked about where

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no alcohol, no lab music, so forth, so on. That was documented by notes that are also

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been at your notes in July of 2014 that all that was a time of grief too.

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Again, the rodeo is a three-day event, and it starts noon and runs curve up into one

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or two in the morning.

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And when we call, we at TARD, by listening to the music, and we just about wore a self-out,

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making phone calls, to the 911 dispatchers.

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And the Sheriff's Department does respond as soon as possible.

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A lot of times it takes 20 minutes or so, but that's a big chatty.

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And it's a night, so who knows what they have to come from.

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So we're not complaining about the response time.

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But at the time they get out here, what?

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A loud music is shut down.

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And so then after they leave, why?

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They crack it back up.

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And it just goes on and it's just, it's a real problem.

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Put yourself in the shoes that it was you that lived and within a mile and a half

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radius of that rodeo band and having to listen to that because they talked about trying

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to have so many of that but some of those events are two or three days.

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And so we're talking about a lot of time.

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The venue, they started at a couple of years ago, and it's open there too, and of course

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the only thing we have to deal with, there's just a lot of music, and there's not as many cars, of course.

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Let's see,

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I'll share a story with you that I think maybe kind of points it out, and it's a neighborhood

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is about the little over three quarters of a mile, actually from the arena.

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And Len 31 night, summertime, he had his windows shut,

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air conditioner turned up, trying to go to bed, get some rest,

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summertime, had worked to do the next day, so he calls 911

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because it really was so loud.

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He just couldn't take it anymore.

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And so he got the 911 operator.

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And so as air conditioner running, windows shut,

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But the 911 operator, and he started to talk and tell what his concern was, and the 911

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operator says, sir, you've got to turn your radio down or your television.

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I just can't hear you.

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And he says, that's what I'm calling about.

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And that's how loud the music is.

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These three quarters of a mile away from that arena.

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And it goes on and on.

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And so, also, I want to point out that was mentioned that, you know, this is kind of more

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a real area than an urban area, you know, there's not many people, and that really, I don't

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look, I don't look at it that way within a mile and a half, if you do a mile and a half radius

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from that arena, just a mile and a half radius.

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There are 20-some residents or homes.

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And there have all been there, those 20, long before the rodeo dig off.

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Some of them, mine, since 1809, the House of Belts, Bruce Goldberg, was going to speak

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his about before that, but they were built in the 40s and the 50s and 60s and like 70s.

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So there are 20-some homes in that amount of half radius.

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And also, in that same radius, that amount of half radius

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in that arena, this is kind of a new business.

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There's five new homes there, either other construction

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or will start construction, certainly.

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And maybe even this year, five new homes.

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And also, in a mile and a half that arena,

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There's eight additional watts that have been planted, planted,

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the way they're going to build new homes.

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So this is not exactly an agriculture rule area.

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Matter of fact, my farm that could, my wife Dana Nile,

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actually was my parent place originally,

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and they came here in 1936.

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My dad did.

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And, you know, we're, well, we move a senior down to road, you know, we, we fight a lot of urban traffic.

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There's just a lot of mailboxes and a lot of people on the road.

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And, you know, in 99% of a very courteous, but it is difficult now to farm in that area, because it's just so popular with people.

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We're close to which at all.

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We're right on the subject butter County line, and that's problematic too because nobody

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and butter County give the hood about the people who said you can't get very often.

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The people who said you can't sometimes don't give a hood about people and butter.

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But we give a hood about everybody because we're still a community even though our community

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is building butter and said you can't.

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And I've been proud residents about the county a lot of years, and I'm proud of a

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butter County.

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And I'm proud of my neighborhood, and I'm proud of my friends out there, and I'm proud

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of new people that have moved in.

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We've made room for them.

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But kind of what we're at is that the situation really is, they've really poisoned the living

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environment, the livability, the coldier life,

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the value of our properties,

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they're going

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and strike you as they ought to be in that area because people, they know what goes on out there.

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And this is the sustainability of living in this community.

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It's tough. It really is.

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Although the summer and the late spring and the early fall, you know, when you kind of can enjoy it,

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maybe walking outside, you don't be willing to stake.

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And if Friday night or Saturday or Sunday, you know, it's just not, it's just not bearable.

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But you just can't do it.

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And I hope you understand that.

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I did hear a call met from the lady who came up here

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for, I could get your name up, sorry, I couldn't hear back there.

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But I did hear one thing they talked about in her deal.

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She made a call met.

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They have to keep up the Caddeline Road, which is

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saying that 159th in Chevy County.

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And they did put some material on her a few years

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ago, and I had to call Murdoch Township and have them come up remove it because it was full

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of spikes and iron and wire that got in the front of the railroad. They came up and loaded

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it up and haul it off, but not before it poked a hole in one of my 10 ply cars on my

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three quarter tonne pickup. They said rather people. So I think that tells a little bit

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of the story too. And the same person made to come out about maximizing their property

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value and I'm glad they are maximizing their property value.

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They're making money doing this.

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But they haven't maximized my experience of living out there,

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the livability, and my property.

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The values aren't good and gone down. So I just feel that we shouldn't. So one person to maximize their property, why, at least, 30 other revs, as we're talking about, 20 or 30 revs, why we should have to take a hit. So they can have fun and maximize their property. It just doesn't seem fair to me. So we're asking you not to approve this.

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Thank you.

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Any questions?

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Where do you live from there?

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From the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, uh, uh, rodeo, my house and I have free machine sheds.

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I have a very nice place.

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I spend a lot of money out there.

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I'm south.

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I'm south about, uh, from there, from there, from property.

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I'm about three-eight-some-mile south.

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Yeah.

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I got my driveway a three inch of mile long and I know that because I had to walk at the

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chest of bus for a lot of years and go to school and as long as I was up there,

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any other

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questions?

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Thanks, sir.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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My name is Bruce Bodecker, I live at 1945, Northwest Butler Road, Benton Kansas, I live in

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House was built in the 1860s, 1870s, I don't remember, been there long time.

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Also known as Walcat stock farm,

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I was on this board in a long, long time ago as a member

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out of college, and there was confusion because Zoning had just been started in but were

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county, and the administrator would find people that were breaking zoning laws, basements and

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houses, and they would always say, we didn't know his own.

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So I said, let's come up with a sign instead of just saying about the county.

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Let's say, butter county zoning regulations apply,

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and they used it, and it's scattered around.

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And I got a D in English at college, so I, I get an eagle trip every summer every time I read one of those.

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I'm happy to report in the Butler County, Central County, Line 159 Street.

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Going down the hill in the Butler County just a few feet, two to three car lengths.

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There's a sign, Butler County, zoning, regulations apply.

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So, these folks need to read that at least once a week.

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Maybe several times a week, as they go back and forth, on that highway.

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They cannot say they're unaware.

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And they didn't deny it, so that's fine.

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I have a sister, 10 years, 11 years younger than I.

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She spent a career teaching Spanish in the high schools in junior colleges.

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She would make a trip to Spain once every five years.

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She would make a trip to Mexico maybe every other year to make sure that her dialect and

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her speaking skills were up to the day, didn't she like to travel?

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I like rodeos when I was a kid we had a horse, I don't now I use Honda's, but the rodeo

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When you was great, it's fine. I appreciate it. I appreciate the culture that the lady talked

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about, she wants to show her children and maybe our neighborhood. But not a culture of breaking

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rules, not a culture of abusing the neighborhood as John talked about.

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Let's see, there is a Kansas

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And the president is Mr. Leon Winfrey, and this man was contacted, and he gave us the list of overall guidelines that a rodeo needed to be sanctioned.

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This rodeo, as long as it's been there, has not been sanctioned by the Kansas rodeo association.

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The things that they're on at least and needs to be bonded in insurance, they do not have that.

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These have an EMS crew and vehicle at the event, they do not do that.

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These are county permit, I don't know if that's zoning or maybe a permit for the

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road you, I don't know what that means.

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No alcohol, bingo bingo bingo, they have alcohol, a food license, I have no idea if

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they have one, that would be the county, livestock, handling, care and safety.

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I think it's

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recorded, but what are requirements and can't describe the radio with any

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itself, apparently it would not mean?

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According to Mr. Winfield, counties that allow radio vans, not following basic safety

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health and stewardship of the well-being of the community, place the county and the community

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to be at grave risk and the county at grave odd building.

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I can imagine pickup accidents, somebody's hurt.

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Part of the end is is done.

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You guys might be liable because you didn't require them to be pregnant.

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But you'd have these issues handled that are set to the can to show you a association.

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It seems to be something not only in my interest as to prevent noise,

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I

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mean, you need it to lead in these issues.

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It's counting in general to be liable.

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It's up to your firmness.

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What's on here?

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Well, that music is a problem.

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I live in a mile and three quarters of the way I can hear it,

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not to deny it with some nice.

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But there is an issue of the vehicles.

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And you can substitute them out to all.

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We can make 200 vehicles there.

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That's fine.

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The majority of the top three counties are forward,

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sending, and said,

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if I was charging them out,

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is,

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well, the lady messed, I mentioned the question

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of a second leader, maybe needed.

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But a year ago, or six months ago, we understood

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that there was already water down at the venue,

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And I believe there's two houses,

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and we were told there's one meter, so I

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had water

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readers in Harvey County.

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I don't saw a house or a meter.

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I was able to build them.

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Three ten acre blocks.

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And I'm not already counting.

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I guess.

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We're going to show you one of the areas that you've acquired.

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What about that?

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We did not understand for the past two, three years.

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They had illegal leaders in position.

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And then have that.

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And that lady said, I'm going to make you get them with the data.

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Is this a situation like noise control, alcohol control, food,

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horses, cattle, fences?

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They just really don't have their community interest.

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They're number one.

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And the only one to respond and someone puts it out.

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The zoning regulations apply, legal laws apply.

452
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,880
It's not difficult to see,

453
00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:27,830
but they're not intent for following the law.

454
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:28,830
I'm sorry.

455
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:30,930
I'm not just getting wrong.

456
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,180
And I think that's probably the number one issue

457
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:40,930
that they have.

458
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:47,730
They ignored the community, and they lost the water, the water, the district water.

459
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:49,910
Well, they're going to do it in the future.

460
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:51,550
Wonderful.

461
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:52,690
That's fine.

462
00:39:52,810 --> 00:39:55,590
But if I go to a rune of this terror, I don't know if it's quiet.

463
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:57,570
I know that stuff.

464
00:40:01,070 --> 00:40:04,010
I don't want to be part of the community that has to go weeks,

465
00:40:04,570 --> 00:40:07,330
that follow the rules as we have been in the past.

466
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:09,830
That never works out into the community.

467
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:16,230
It doesn't look like it's a county that doesn't work out for radio folks, because it just

468
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:21,350
just feels more and loss of the community, but they shouldn't be trying to reduce that

469
00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:23,730
animal, so they can try to get along with them.

470
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:40,760
So I would suggest if you do not pass the summary change in the history, I would suggest if

471
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,720
you think the Missouri does only change, I think understand that I've been on this board

472
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:46,800
that made this decision.

473
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,840
But please don't make this the people that have to regulate

474
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:56,380
and enforce county laws and county rules.

475
00:40:56,860 --> 00:40:58,280
That's not our job.

476
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:00,160
We didn't answer that there.

477
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,140
I'm living there for 130 years to become the administrators

478
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,300
who have county regulations.

479
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,400
And so you have to make that awesome distinction.

480
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,540
Thanks for your service.

481
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:18,100
Thank you for your work.

482
00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:20,760
I understand now.

483
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Here's what you must be to do that.

484
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,980
Thank you very much.

485
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:25,820
Questions?

486
00:41:29,970 --> 00:41:30,550
Thank you, sir.

487
00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:32,070
I have a lot of questions.

488
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:37,860
Anyone else?

489
00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:43,250
Anyone else?

490
00:41:43,690 --> 00:41:43,750
No.

491
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:48,090
As Kim come back up and answer some of the questions.

492
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:53,960
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

493
00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:55,680
I'm meeting Mike from that down.

494
00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:10,310
Just some things that we do want to address that, I'm just going to go down the list of the notes that I made, there is not a water meter for water service to the arena area.

495
00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:16,050
It is on well, so there is no illegal, well, our illegal meter there.

496
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:28,710
So, your bears have one home, one water here, so, and the septic tank is in a portable

497
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:30,370
rest room unit.

498
00:42:31,470 --> 00:42:38,570
You see them sometimes bring their brought into events where there's a trailer, and then

499
00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:45,310
that septic tank is emptied out by the company comes in and empties out that septic tank.

500
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:52,810
One thing we do want to talk about is kind of the economic impact and the previous speakers

501
00:42:52,810 --> 00:43:05,350
both to their being cars from any company and a lot of folks that come to these events that bring

502
00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:15,290
in outside dollars to the area, they're going to restaurants, they're staying in hotels

503
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:26,290
So there is an economic impact and we did also look at the property tax values of properties surrounding this.

504
00:43:27,170 --> 00:43:33,970
And as you all are pretty well aware that property tax values are fairly increasing.

505
00:43:33,970 --> 00:43:42,150
So, where we were seeing a history, in fact, the Rivera's just received as we all did

506
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:45,270
the latest tax statement.

507
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:55,290
And Butler County has apparently decided that property is a commercial property.

508
00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:56,330
And

509
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:12,320
the tax statement for this year for the Rivera increase 500 and 22% so the county

510
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:20,280
appraisers office has made a determination that this is a commercial property however, at this

511
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:28,320
point they are not allowed to utilize it as such so there needs to be some we need to figure out

512
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:37,460
consistency there, whether those kind of assessments are a fair assessment of what's happening on this property.

513
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:47,860
Because if they're not allowed to use this, we'll go deal with that.

514
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:56,340
And they are very well aware of the zoning regulations and zoning requirements in 2014.

515
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,960
They were here in front of this board regard.

516
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:09,960
Being able to operate their trucking business on this property, which was not approved. So they immediately

517
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:29,880
made other arrangements. They moved that business. It's now in Sejwik County. So Sejwik County is reaping the benefits of those taxes and income or the trucking business. So they are aware of zoning requirements and restrictions identified by them.

518
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:42,980
So there was never a set of rules or conditions that was established for the radio or outdoor entertainment thing.

519
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:48,320
It was discussed in this form but it was not approved or quantified.

520
00:45:49,180 --> 00:45:59,440
So with this action, it provides Butler County with a legally enforceable set of defined conditions.

521
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:08,840
That way, the neighbors are not, you know, it's not on them to have to deal with it.

522
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:17,760
It is, you know, something that's county and in course, and you know, talk to Toby, also

523
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:24,000
to deal with the township, so, you know, that's the great thing about conditionally uses.

524
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:31,060
It does give you all a tool to set those conditions in place.

525
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:41,980
The, as far as the, a lot of the claims that have been made we, you know, we aren't served.

526
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:47,340
You know, that somewhere in between where we are, we certainly,

527
00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:52,600
For those who don't want to be a bad neighbor, you've got a lot of letters from people who

528
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,120
protest that they are very good neighbor, and that they've done good things for the community.

529
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:07,120
They are encouraging and keeping a lot of traditions that are important to them.

530
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:14,040
They came here to the United States, and don't want to leave all of that behind.

531
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:26,320
This consideration with getting the right rules and restrictions in place can keep this

532
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:33,760
operating in a way that can bring in outside dollars. It can help build the community,

533
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:40,040
It can increase property values until you get the idea.

534
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,980
It grows in our county.

535
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:49,060
As I mentioned, you know, the city of which it's all just keeps growing inside the county.

536
00:47:49,820 --> 00:47:55,500
A lot of people don't, you know, no one needs left except the county in the public county and back and forth.

537
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,260
So we are kind of in a big more regional.

538
00:48:00,260 --> 00:48:09,320
We want to be like it or not, unfortunately, that here is a larger community and that

539
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:18,500
this is an event that can be a benefit that can bring in and draw attention in a good way

540
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:26,860
to values and traditions that their family can carry on and pass along to their next generations.

541
00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:32,290
I would be glad to stand for any questions that you have.

542
00:48:34,090 --> 00:48:35,430
Questions from the board.

543
00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:44,190
Do you think, Russ?

544
00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:46,470
I do not.

545
00:48:46,750 --> 00:48:48,870
You know, they would know.

546
00:48:49,310 --> 00:48:52,250
And they are open to any conditions that they would request.

547
00:48:52,990 --> 00:48:58,970
We would be, yeah, we certainly, you know, we're not going to stand up here and say,

548
00:48:58,970 --> 00:49:00,070
you know, we refuse.

549
00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:02,930
We definitely, they want to be good neighbors.

550
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:11,430
I want some things to work well, to you, that they may, you know, want to make anybody

551
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:12,670
a great crowd.

552
00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:18,180
Disease events have to be multiple, those.

553
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:19,040
I don't know.

554
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:24,780
Because of the nature of how far people come, you know, especially with the main generation

555
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:33,960
being in Mexico, that their, it's typically, the events, typically, wherever they are, regionally,

556
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:41,200
whether there are a lot of more on in Texas as well, that in order to be able to host those events,

557
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,520
there has to be a commitment for a multi-day event.

558
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:46,980
Multi-day, meaning two days.

559
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:48,860
Three days.

560
00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:50,620
Three four days.

561
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,320
Typically, we'll start on Thursday, evenings.

562
00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:55,860
Thursday nights, so they'll run Friday's Saturday.

563
00:49:59,290 --> 00:50:06,410
But in order to, and either, there's a lot of competitions to get these events.

564
00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:13,630
You know, they've invested a huge amount of money in the arena and the civilians.

565
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:19,150
And so those are the kind of thing I'll be able to show that there are facilities,

566
00:50:20,070 --> 00:50:20,870
or sufficient.

567
00:50:22,170 --> 00:50:26,430
There is, you know, the part, you know, room for parking.

568
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:33,450
All of those things have to be available to be able to be able to draw in the events.

569
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:41,130
So it's a difference in between a major event and a minor event.

570
00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:42,930
Besides the people.

571
00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:43,550
The size.

572
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:44,710
It's the size.

573
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:46,270
The number of attendees.

574
00:50:47,090 --> 00:50:51,590
But they're still going through the same activities that they were in a minor event.

575
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:52,370
They're in a minor.

576
00:50:53,710 --> 00:51:00,390
And a minor event is going to typically be not ever as many people there at one time.

577
00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:06,810
You know, the events cycle through different, you know, you'll have the group of the

578
00:51:06,810 --> 00:51:14,530
young ones there, and then they're done and it moves on to the next group of events.

579
00:51:16,850 --> 00:51:19,530
What percentage of these people that come

580
00:51:21,550 --> 00:51:28,190
stay at the ground versus at the small park?

581
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:43,690
Very few actually stay on site, I mean, because there's, you know, we don't have hook-up to still, you know, it's not, we are not asking for this to be an RV park, you know, where people would come and can't.

582
00:51:44,210 --> 00:51:48,330
It is the event that you've not paid.

583
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:50,030
Okay, I'm sorry.

584
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:56,350
Yeah, so the majority of them are not the same, I'm

585
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:07,990
sorry.

586
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:14,150
Well, the only thing I'm sitting here here is that, you know, it's a cultural event.

587
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:18,330
It's an event that's supposed to be joyful and a lot of fun.

588
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:28,250
But all the things that go along with that, like the noise, like the music, the alcohol, the food, everything,

589
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:31,670
and are things that you want to add in of that.

590
00:52:32,410 --> 00:52:37,930
So how would you possibly, I mean, I'm not sure there's a compromise to be had here.

591
00:52:38,610 --> 00:52:44,230
Well, and I think what Toby mentioned that if alcohol is provided, if there's alcohol

592
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:52,370
was failed, it has to be provided by a license, if you have to have a liquor license.

593
00:52:52,850 --> 00:52:58,190
But even beyond that, I understand that you're going to want to have the music

594
00:52:58,190 --> 00:53:04,290
You're going to want to have loud music and a party atmosphere, you literally are.

595
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:08,750
So I don't understand how that there can be a compromise.

596
00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:14,290
So I think that the hours, I mean, especially the hours of operation, is to win the music

597
00:53:14,290 --> 00:53:14,890
can happen.

598
00:53:15,210 --> 00:53:16,910
Because you're absolutely right.

599
00:53:17,450 --> 00:53:24,890
You want to create an atmosphere that's welcoming and exciting, at some place of fun, that

600
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:25,330
you want to go.

601
00:53:25,330 --> 00:53:33,910
So what we really tried to help work with staff is to come to a good compromise.

602
00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:39,610
Nobody's going to get everything they want by any means whatsoever.

603
00:53:40,450 --> 00:53:47,850
But to be good neighbors, but also to be able to grow this activity.

604
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:54,310
You grow this, it's a sport, and there's that there's have children that have ordered

605
00:53:54,310 --> 00:54:02,770
scholarships in competitions, so it's certainly not just a rowdy.

606
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:07,330
I get that part of it, but you have 20 neighbors here that saying you're not being good

607
00:54:07,330 --> 00:54:09,630
neighbors, and you're not being good stewards.

608
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:15,330
And that's, I think, you know, I've been completely appreciate that, and I think that's

609
00:54:15,330 --> 00:54:23,530
of this list of requirements where the county has control over the enforcement of them

610
00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:29,630
is critical to ensuring that those conditions are met.

611
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:38,640
Got other questions, sorry, anything else?

612
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:45,620
Well, the only other thing I think about is that they've had requirements laid upon them

613
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:47,740
before conditions that they said.

614
00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:51,560
Well, those were never, but they were never officially document.

615
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:57,200
Yeah, they because it was never approved to be used in a commercial way.

616
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:05,300
So there was never a codified list of strict recruitment areas, separate environments.

617
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,360
So they have been doing commercial events out there.

618
00:55:08,460 --> 00:55:14,040
They are not commercial because they are not, you know, they are charging, you know,

619
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:21,540
It's not like an entrance fee or you pay, you know, they are simply events that they're

620
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:27,200
through, that they belong to, they, that those members are invited to,

621
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:30,080
and, you know,

622
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:36,280
extended family, other, you know, friends and places are involved in these activities.

623
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:43,620
So, but they are not a, they are not a commercial enterprise because they are not, you know,

624
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:51,320
selling food. They're not selling, not selling, you know, injury to the events.

625
00:55:55,870 --> 00:55:56,970
So with this

626
00:55:56,970 --> 00:56:03,510
being codified that something that they could, that would trigger this to be a commercial

627
00:56:04,270 --> 00:56:11,910
enterprise, which would tend to give more validity to what the county has assessed the

628
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:24,370
because truly, with the current assessment as a commercial use is in accurate, it's a agricultural

629
00:56:24,910 --> 00:56:27,590
farmstead use of this idea.

630
00:56:33,790 --> 00:56:34,870
Anything else?

631
00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:43,050
So, before they were doing it for friends and family, no commercial,

632
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:46,300
and that's where

633
00:56:46,300 --> 00:56:48,260
some of these complaints came.

634
00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:50,500
So now they want to make it commercial.

635
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:52,060
They've brought it to us.

636
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:55,060
We put stipulations on.

637
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,120
If we decide no, we're not going to prove it.

638
00:57:00,380 --> 00:57:03,280
Then I guess they go back and just having their friends

639
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,660
and members continue to do.

640
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:07,000
Right.

641
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,160
I mean, it really comes down to what county code enforcement

642
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,220
decides is to what is allowed, whether it's

643
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:23,920
certain number of people, I think, you know, maybe what triggered this is, you know,

644
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:30,300
anything over 100 people was initially what they, you know, county code enforcement said,

645
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:42,880
that that was why we went ahead and pursued getting the official zoning regulation in place.

646
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:49,800
Anything else?

647
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:51,940
Staff?

648
00:57:55,590 --> 00:57:56,230
Just that.

649
00:57:56,430 --> 00:58:02,590
I mean, staff does a recommend approval in less conditions can be placed on it.

650
00:58:02,850 --> 00:58:08,790
I mean, without the conditions, I don't believe it could be a meaningful to some of the surrounding

651
00:58:08,790 --> 00:58:09,330
neighbors.

652
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:10,510
That's just my opinion.

653
00:58:12,110 --> 00:58:16,130
We would have to go out and do some, if approved, we would have to go out and look at some of the

654
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:20,610
structures on there, which we've already talked about, and they're willing to do so.

655
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:25,950
because there was part of the rodeo event that looks like maybe without permit.

656
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:34,090
So we would have to go back and retroactive and take a look at those structures and make sure they meet codes.

657
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:42,530
And based on the construction, we've had, we've had a contact with based on the construction.

658
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:58,030
There doesn't seem to be any doubt that they would pass building codes so that they, you know, all of the structural components from engineers at that time are building bodies that they will.

659
00:58:59,610 --> 00:59:06,930
I did visit the site and they look pretty well built, but of course, you know, I'm not a building inspector, I would need to send them out there.

660
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:11,930
Take a look at it and apply our two thousand six codes to it.

661
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:13,610
Do you see the fencing?

662
00:59:14,530 --> 00:59:16,150
Fencing like good.

663
00:59:16,590 --> 00:59:19,030
I mean I didn't look real close at the fencing,

664
00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:21,050
but it could be something that we look at.

665
00:59:25,470 --> 00:59:27,010
I'd like to make some comments.

666
00:59:28,450 --> 00:59:31,290
I don't want to assume there's 20 people out here to cancel.

667
00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:38,100
My younger son lives at the Insectic County on that road,

668
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:47,300
Southland. The rain is a long way from the houses. You don't hear them up there along the roads like

669
00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:51,670
it's been. I don't know exactly where the other people live.

670
00:59:53,820 --> 00:59:57,120
They've done what they said they would.

671
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:59,960
They don't let traffic off the highway go down.

672
01:00:01,070 --> 01:00:08,450
I have a property in front of their house to drive clear down to where the arena is. Don't

673
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:14,930
not real sure. I'm not done this now for a long time. I've been done it the way the county

674
01:00:14,930 --> 01:00:24,770
told them to do it back when and I don't know exactly when they started the situation there.

675
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:32,050
But you can't hear him from up there because the houses along the road up there when they're

676
01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:37,010
having the situation, the rodeo or whatever they're having down there,

677
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:39,770
maybe a little

678
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:45,510
hard part of Aaron, but I've got a couple of granddaughters, just got their garbage license.

679
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:50,310
I'd be more worried about them after on the road and what's going on down there.

680
01:00:51,790 --> 01:01:01,690
I've been there for quite a while and hasn't been, I don't think there's that many residents out there that's there against them.

681
01:01:02,350 --> 01:01:04,990
I think they want you to think that's my comments.

682
01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:10,210
Anything else you want to add?

683
01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:14,230
If you have any questions with me, I think I'm back if necessary.

684
01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:16,190
Thank you, ma'am.

685
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:23,530
Any other questions or comments from the board?

686
01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:30,950
Do we allow midnight for any other event venues for a wedding venue or anything like that?

687
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:33,370
Most of them are a little loud.

688
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:35,370
Most of them are a little loud.

689
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:39,870
So wouldn't that be applicable to an event venue like this?

690
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:46,990
Well, and then here, what Toby was it under year?

691
01:01:48,070 --> 01:01:52,090
So, the music was off at 10.

692
01:01:52,650 --> 01:02:02,990
The band was wrapped up by 11, was one of the conditions that was in the conditions that he had.

693
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:06,270
Yeah, I had these are in granted.

694
01:02:06,610 --> 01:02:11,570
Remember the board should consider that these are recommendations to the board for conditions.

695
01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:16,230
I mean, they can be amended, they can be changed, you can take away some.

696
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:18,990
you could add some that you feel is more important.

697
01:02:20,090 --> 01:02:24,930
I felt like the event hours, the hours of operation,

698
01:02:25,690 --> 01:02:27,790
I felt was key, so I would at least wanted

699
01:02:27,790 --> 01:02:29,450
to make something for consideration,

700
01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:34,350
but I did put event hours 9 a.m. to 11 p.m.

701
01:02:34,410 --> 01:02:39,410
with no loud music or noise after 10 p.m.

702
01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:45,300
So some of that would be, I guess you could apply,

703
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:55,750
If you end the events at 10 o'clock, you cut your music off or whatever, people still need time to leave.

704
01:02:57,730 --> 01:03:02,350
But again, you could shorten them. I mean, you could hit however.

705
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:15,730
I personally don't have knowledge of how long those events take or would actually, you know, how much time they would need each day for those events.

706
01:03:15,730 --> 01:03:16,710
anything

707
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:31,130
else, particularly. Not the chair of close to the public hearing, the chair will entertain

708
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:35,730
a motion and or more discussion amongst the board members and staff.

709
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:55,320
Staff would make a recommendation that when a motion is made to approve or deny that maybe

710
01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:01,860
make a statement of fact as to why you approve or deny so that I can make a clear presentation

711
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:03,820
to the Board of Confirmations.

712
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:33,790
To be honest, Mr. Concerning these CDs in the essence that they began out of

713
01:04:33,790 --> 01:04:35,650
the boardments.

714
01:04:36,090 --> 01:04:37,630
They're gone from five within the guidelines.

715
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:40,410
What's the link with the questions of that?

716
01:04:40,610 --> 01:04:43,070
If the police is who's going to go?

717
01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:45,990
Well, that's the issue, right?

718
01:04:46,770 --> 01:04:50,910
So, I mean, I don't mean specifically to this necessarily.

719
01:04:50,910 --> 01:04:55,710
if they're just in general, in the county, on all these conditions of use permits that we

720
01:04:55,710 --> 01:04:59,690
want to go through and say, okay, you can't find music after a lot of them, you can't

721
01:04:59,690 --> 01:05:06,590
position, you can't do that. And then they're not following those rules. Do we have the right

722
01:05:06,590 --> 01:05:11,570
to reserve that condition? That's for me. 100% of that process has to happen to them.

723
01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:18,290
The conditions themselves is what those conditions, if those are broken, the ones that are

724
01:05:18,290 --> 01:05:23,690
And so the conditions that are recommended and approved by the Board of

725
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:26,250
Command, County Commission would actually go into the resolution.

726
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:30,970
And as by those conditions, if those conditions are not in that,

727
01:05:31,550 --> 01:05:36,030
then I can ring that back to the Board of County Commission and the

728
01:05:36,030 --> 01:05:40,910
Planning Commission and ask that the conditional use be revoked.

729
01:05:41,090 --> 01:05:42,770
Who releases this?

730
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:47,950
It would be our office, but I mean, it's not like, but it would be a complaint.

731
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:51,010
So if a complaint came in and we found out some way of shape

732
01:05:51,010 --> 01:05:53,830
performance, we could confirm it.

733
01:05:54,330 --> 01:05:55,210
That's one way.

734
01:05:56,210 --> 01:06:00,030
If we have been to have a driving around during one of these events,

735
01:06:00,210 --> 01:06:02,830
and we noticed a violation, obviously, we could address it

736
01:06:02,830 --> 01:06:03,330
as well.

737
01:06:03,910 --> 01:06:08,970
But yeah, I mean, we're not out driving the county looking

738
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:14,410
at all the conditional uses to see if every condition is being applied.

739
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:17,210
Well, and that's

740
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:26,940
the biggest issue that was anything zoning or otherwise, and one thing

741
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:32,920
that we presented the legislative people with is a code enforcement court.

742
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,140
There is no.

743
01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:44,480
And if it goes that far as to go to court, it's so low on the bottom of all that he might take two

744
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:51,740
three years before it ever is heard. So this this here does the revoking though

745
01:06:51,740 --> 01:06:55,460
wouldn't necessarily have to go to court. No. But yes,

746
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,080
if it does their court, if it does

747
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,260
hit court at some point, yes, that could take a while.

748
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:16,550
So in other words, they have to be able

749
01:07:16,550 --> 01:07:17,730
to prove any complaints.

750
01:07:20,010 --> 01:07:22,470
Yeah, I mean, we would have to be able to prove that they're in

751
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:28,950
violation. My office, the county would have to prove that they're in violation. So you know,

752
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:35,470
If I can specifically see that they're running past the hours of operation, I mean, it's

753
01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:41,110
a simple take some pictures and audio and present it to the board.

754
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:42,310
I mean,

755
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:53,030
I asked her just how much identification was behind.

756
01:07:57,110 --> 01:08:00,430
We can open it back up if a board member wants to.

757
01:08:03,010 --> 01:08:09,890
But I would just be curious, you know, just how much of your application is behind it.

758
01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:16,880
Well, and that's, you can take somebody, you can take you and I talking and the right way

759
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,860
and you can hear it according to my whole life.

760
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,440
Well, and that's the aspect of it.

761
01:08:29,690 --> 01:08:33,630
I guess I've always struggled with any event,

762
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:44,390
When we're talking loud music and this and that, it's always bothered me extremely, why the music has to be

763
01:08:44,390 --> 01:08:51,310
allowed to start with, and I hate worse than going to a damn event, and I'll be able to talk to Andy

764
01:08:51,310 --> 01:08:54,750
that's too foot from me because the music's so loud.

765
01:08:56,110 --> 01:09:02,710
That's a personal place, so it's always been kind of one of the things in the back of my mind.

766
01:09:02,710 --> 01:09:11,250
Why does it get people blood going or what, you know, I haven't figured that out, it doesn't

767
01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:22,400
mind, but that's just kind of one of those things that I threw all, you know, here again,

768
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:28,080
this is, we're talking on this case, but a lot of the advantages, that's the, it's either

769
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:39,780
lighting or the noise. It's usually both, yeah, somewhat falls into both. And so, I've

770
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:48,460
never, I've never, that's been a concept that, I guess, I'm, of course, I have as

771
01:09:48,460 --> 01:09:54,180
told I was hard to hear and I won't go with that, that you don't drive open station

772
01:09:54,180 --> 01:10:02,240
tractors for twenty-some years, and I'll be hard to hear it, and so, but in the same

773
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:02,960
aspect,

774
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:18,000
and I hear again, it's one of those, for twenty-some odd years I've run the sound

775
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:27,980
system at the high school, at the Circle High School, and it's a volunteer, and most generally

776
01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:30,700
I get comments on the levels that I've set.

777
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,980
This last year, I got told that it wasn't loud

778
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:37,520
and I'm like, good God, I couldn't get, you know.

779
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:38,720
I don't know.

780
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,460
So I don't know whether generations are changing.

781
01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:43,500
They have mindset or what,

782
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:49,210
but I do think.

783
01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:51,290
And I

784
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:01,540
do think that it gives us a lot more,

785
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:05,300
here again, I can't do a motion.

786
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:12,840
And I'm just talking about a day talk, but that was the struggle we had in 14, and I don't

787
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,200
have any of you on the board at that time.

788
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:24,210
But basically, there was nothing we could do to really stop what they were doing, as long

789
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:27,330
as they weren't charging people to come in.

790
01:11:28,490 --> 01:11:34,330
And we was wanting to try and we never could come upon an agreement at that time.

791
01:11:34,330 --> 01:11:45,890
And so here 10, 11 years later, it's come back before us and setting your wondering, can we figure

792
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:54,770
out get some conditions but on it that maybe we can control some of it?

793
01:11:56,350 --> 01:12:02,150
So, in other words, if we do nothing, they can continue kind of as is, but if we can put enough

794
01:12:02,150 --> 01:12:09,870
teeth and a conditional use to make them better neighbors by loss of the speak.

795
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:17,510
We can, that's the way, and here again, we tried 10, 11 years ago, apparently, that that

796
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:18,690
didn't work.

797
01:12:19,090 --> 01:12:21,790
Did we try some, you know, I don't know.

798
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:23,710
I don't know.

799
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:29,010
There's a number of people that, if we do nothing as loud, there is a hunter, is that what

800
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:29,550
you were saying?

801
01:12:29,550 --> 01:12:31,670
That, I'm not aware of, that is not.

802
01:12:31,670 --> 01:12:33,930
I don't know if there is a number.

803
01:12:34,270 --> 01:12:35,270
There is private on the right.

804
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:36,130
There is not a limit.

805
01:12:36,410 --> 01:12:38,230
I don't know if you could do it about whatever you want.

806
01:12:38,850 --> 01:12:41,760
If you're not charging for it, it's not open to the public.

807
01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:43,610
First say that.

808
01:12:43,710 --> 01:12:44,570
I don't think there is.

809
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:54,760
And I assume the screen that you have that is your list of recommendations.

810
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,380
Or this is there.

811
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,020
That's their operational plan they submitted.

812
01:13:01,620 --> 01:13:04,880
So a lot of what I read to you from as far as our operational plan.

813
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:11,740
plan, that's what that is, and that's where I pulled them in my apartment, but we don't do.

814
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,280
But then you added some in the discussion.

815
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:17,000
Yes.

816
01:13:17,300 --> 01:13:22,020
I recommend that some, I can't possibly come up with

817
01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:27,820
every possible, you know, in my recommendations.

818
01:13:27,940 --> 01:13:35,660
And I didn't want to make the list so long that I just inundated you all with, I mean,

819
01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:42,880
definitely think you can consider other things like I did put in there alcohol to be

820
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:49,140
served by a license, but you can consider no alcohol you can consider you can consider that

821
01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:53,480
further, that recommendation further and then that are changed at the same same with the

822
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:54,500
hours of operation.

823
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,500
I mean pretty much all of them. I think bonded and insured to be a requirement

824
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:20,880
just to make sure they're properly insured in case of an accident, well, I guess that doesn't have anything to do with counties.

825
01:14:32,540 --> 01:14:39,960
But I mean, I threw in a general condition that they, we'll need to find it.

826
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,120
I don't want to keep this out of order now.

827
01:14:56,940 --> 01:14:58,400
Basically that they had to meet all.

828
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:09,470
All other state and local requirements related to the operation of the business, shall be met,

829
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:19,420
because we don't require any other event and need to be licensed to be appointed in February.

830
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:33,640
I easily, I easily throw into the general statement like that to make sure that if we're aware they're not operating the business with all licenses and need to register.

831
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:34,460
And

832
01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:54,320
just back to your, you know, you're talking about conditional uses, I'm happy to read Article 22, the amount of procedures and factors to be considered in the application for conditional use if you'd like to hear

833
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:57,550
it.

834
01:15:57,670 --> 01:15:58,550
I don't, anyway.

835
01:16:14,220 --> 01:16:14,600
Just probably.

836
01:16:16,340 --> 01:16:16,700
There

837
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:43,020
are, but these two are writing stuff, so the wheels are turning up here.

838
01:17:43,020 --> 01:18:01,540
Well, I'm just trying to figure out a way to protect the neighborhood, to be able to put restrictions on it toward those that aren't happy with what's currently going on in protected, so they can sleep at night, so they feel safe from the roads, so they aren't worried about people in front of you, not in property.

839
01:18:02,300 --> 01:18:06,080
But at the same time, allow them to have the

840
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,180
the happiest fear that makes it a road here.

841
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,420
Because if we do nothing, what's going on now?

842
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,220
She's going to continue, right?

843
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:21,260
This general notification, but then a thousand days,

844
01:18:22,340 --> 01:18:25,480
how much of the objection is within that thousand feet?

845
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,420
I did not go back into a analysis, so I'm not sure.

846
01:18:30,420 --> 01:18:33,720
Because it seems like there are several letters in it.

847
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:41,700
I think there are some for directly adjacent landowners that are knocking against it.

848
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:42,080
Correct.

849
01:18:43,940 --> 01:18:46,640
So I guess that's why I was curious.

850
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,420
I know they know the thousand print notification.

851
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,540
How much in the action is really within that.

852
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,160
I believe that that sounds.

853
01:18:54,440 --> 01:19:00,280
I believe that property is directly to the north and to the south or in favor of it.

854
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:02,900
And that's across the road.

855
01:19:04,440 --> 01:19:07,120
I mean, I don't know about how many of you have there.

856
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:08,300
There are a couple of crossroads.

857
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:15,840
I didn't sit down.

858
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:16,980
I don't want any.

859
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,200
I just don't know the whole list.

860
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:24,360
It needs to be cool.

861
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,060
Well, start the motion and we'll help you.

862
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:28,300
That's the best we can do.

863
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:33,190
Because we can ask Toby.

864
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:36,510
And if what we've done sometimes in the past,

865
01:19:37,170 --> 01:19:38,190
if you want to.

866
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:44,850
And then Toby can read the conditions that he read kind of in his presentation.

867
01:19:44,850 --> 01:19:46,150
And I like, I like.

868
01:19:47,190 --> 01:19:54,410
So we can kind of go through and he can read one of the A and A, change it.

869
01:19:54,570 --> 01:20:03,870
If that is something we want to try to, we've done that before, also, on some of the major conditional use.

870
01:20:05,050 --> 01:20:13,310
Because, and I'm looking at myself as a public county land owner, five something going on next door that is happening legally.

871
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:22,830
I would rather have conditions put in place to make it happen in a way that makes it a better neighborhood for everybody.

872
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:39,600
And so I would, I guess, I would want somebody to step in and say, okay, let's put this in place to curb what's happening to make it legal and make a repercussion available if it doesn't adhere to those policies.

873
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,420
I may not be the best one of putting that whole motion together.

874
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:50,140
And maybe I'm thinking wrong, I don't know, but if we do nothing, everybody's going to be upset.

875
01:20:51,860 --> 01:20:57,140
Because they're not going to be able to use the land as they should facility as they want to.

876
01:20:58,420 --> 01:21:03,140
So it's maximum potential, but then it's going to be used in a way that's still going to upset the rest of us.

877
01:21:04,140 --> 01:21:06,380
So neighbor, the community.

878
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:16,740
Well, and I think if you go back, it wouldn't say the rest of the community, but some can be great.

879
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:17,860
Everybody involved.

880
01:21:17,860 --> 01:21:28,610
Yeah, kind of a how do we keep make it good everybody yeah, so I will put forward a motion to approve

881
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:37,830
Under the conditions that Toby listed including music and announcements done at 10

882
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:45,340
Unless it's announcement made to get everybody's butt off the property by 11. You know that would be the only announcement I went after that

883
01:21:45,340 --> 01:21:51,200
But if alcohols would be served, it has to be sold by a licensed distributor

884
01:21:53,250 --> 01:22:10,990
that restroom facilities are maintained properly, whatever would we code to be, and then the other list of items that you brought forth with those that I mentioned being probably the most important.

885
01:22:16,980 --> 01:22:18,060
Is there a second?

886
01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:20,720
Do you want to read through your list first?

887
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:22,520
Yes, we can do that.

888
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:27,060
Number one was event hours 9 a.m. to 11 p.m.

889
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,360
No loud music.

890
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:31,160
Noise or music after 10 p.m.

891
01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:32,140
Did you say louder?

892
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:32,800
No music.

893
01:22:33,340 --> 01:22:37,500
I said no loud noise or music after 10 p.m.

894
01:22:38,060 --> 01:22:38,500
Okay.

895
01:22:40,140 --> 01:22:41,740
Sorry, because you could have announcing

896
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:45,060
you could have all kinds of...

897
01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:51,620
Number two was steps should be taken to manage the flow of traffic to and from Northwest

898
01:22:51,620 --> 01:22:53,100
County line road.

899
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:59,120
The top process behind that was any of the venue that we have, the way you have a large

900
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:05,440
amount of vehicles that may be leaving the property at the same time could take, you know,

901
01:23:05,540 --> 01:23:07,860
lots of things could go wrong if we're not managing the flow.

902
01:23:09,620 --> 01:23:14,220
Number three, the entrance located off at Northwest 30th Street should not be utilized for

903
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:20,140
events. They have indicated that they are not using that one now.

904
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:24,740
If Murdoch Township

905
01:23:24,740 --> 01:23:30,120
requires a maintenance agreement, the owner shall enter into such agreement.

906
01:23:32,850 --> 01:23:33,150
I put that

907
01:23:33,150 --> 01:23:38,390
in there because they were going to take that to the board so I don't have an answer as to

908
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:46,970
whether they would like one or not, they did make mention about other large farmer

909
01:23:46,970 --> 01:23:55,650
equipment that goes up and down the road, so they don't require it for those, so that

910
01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:57,090
he wanted to take it to his board.

911
01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:02,150
One thing that I, and again, were kind of working all together,

912
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:08,010
but it made something in there

913
01:24:08,010 --> 01:24:18,090
that the traffic flow that you were talking is all of its to go to Northwest 3rd to the Northwest 3rd

914
01:24:19,150 --> 01:24:26,530
have signage or something that all traffic flow is to know it that way it keeps it out of the

915
01:24:26,530 --> 01:24:34,730
quote, community neighborhood, someone. I wouldn't know why anyone that wasn't a local person

916
01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:42,250
would want to go an extra mile and a half to miles a grab a road, but you never. And then the

917
01:24:42,250 --> 01:24:52,280
The other part would be in the road agreement that it's to the entrance because I've seen

918
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:59,210
townships of times come in and say, well, they're on this whole mile and we've had to

919
01:24:59,210 --> 01:25:04,870
get a little more particular on saying it's to the entrance of the event,

920
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:10,650
who times we have

921
01:25:10,650 --> 01:25:16,830
I've seen that crop up in the past, continue that now, Tony.

922
01:25:18,690 --> 01:25:24,630
All lighting shall be pointed in a downward direction to limit the impact of the on surrounding

923
01:25:24,630 --> 01:25:25,070
neighbors.

924
01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:29,500
There are some large lights out there.

925
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:36,080
I did view a picture from one of the neighbors that did show the lights on at night.

926
01:25:38,260 --> 01:25:42,280
I mean, it's hard to tell from a picture, but they might not necessarily be pointed in

927
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:47,340
a downward direction, but I would have to inspect further to find out, but that was one

928
01:25:47,340 --> 01:25:47,820
of the recordings.

929
01:25:47,820 --> 01:25:48,660
Okay.

930
01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:54,980
Alcohol should only be served by those license to do so.

931
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:05,780
Comply with building code inspections on any structure constructed without a building permit, as well as a sewage permit.

932
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,760
Now, they actually can use just a tank if they wanted to for that.

933
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:16,860
But we would need to at least expect to make sure that tanks are approved.

934
01:26:18,020 --> 01:26:25,680
We might require an alarm, be put on it, so if it reads its max, without any type of

935
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:33,300
lateral line or anything, Sheriff's Office shall be notified at least 48 hours in advance

936
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:34,280
of each event,

937
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:42,080
all other state and local requirements related to the operation of business

938
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,120
shall be met.

939
01:26:49,450 --> 01:26:52,130
I read the last one again, would you please?

940
01:26:52,750 --> 01:26:57,450
Well, other state and local requirements related to the operation of business showing that.

941
01:26:58,190 --> 01:27:00,010
And you can change that to whatever you

942
01:27:03,790 --> 01:27:03,790
want.

943
01:27:03,970 --> 01:27:05,930
I don't know, I'd like that last one.

944
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:08,890
Honestly, I just feel like it's too big.

945
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:16,490
But feel free to.

946
01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:17,510
No, this is your motion.

947
01:27:17,550 --> 01:27:19,850
No, I'm just looking for it.

948
01:27:19,970 --> 01:27:21,290
If you're just talking out loud.

949
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:21,850
Additional.

950
01:27:23,590 --> 01:27:28,070
Well, I think if you did, you'd have to.

951
01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:34,570
I mean business, I mean business, that's what I'm talking about.

952
01:27:34,850 --> 01:27:37,210
I'm sure we've had that type of center of things.

953
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:47,120
And with the other conditions that we have listed through so far we've covered

954
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:55,560
about everything that the number of events, I think, limited to eight.

955
01:27:56,780 --> 01:28:03,160
Yeah, so I mean, you could put a condition that just needs to meet the operational plan,

956
01:28:03,460 --> 01:28:08,900
the recommended, you know, to mirror this mid-ad operational plan for number of events.

957
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:22,560
Eight, although just staff recommendation, I don't believe that I should be able to make the decision to automatically let more attendees

958
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:29,760
or if there's something substantially different with a cyclone or anything else, honestly,

959
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:35,860
I think you'd be stepping outside the, you know, what you're proving here tonight.

960
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:41,020
If there's a substantial different and there's future development that occurs,

961
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,760
then you might consider that they come back in and amend the CEP.

962
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:55,690
Good for your motion, Bryce.

963
01:28:55,950 --> 01:28:56,770
I believe so.

964
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:58,130
Do we have a second?

965
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:58,670
Second.

966
01:28:59,190 --> 01:29:00,250
And the on the second.

967
01:29:00,250 --> 01:29:03,430
any further discussion by the board?

968
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:07,920
Staff, anything else?

969
01:29:08,140 --> 01:29:09,560
I don't know, sir.

970
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:10,140
Permit?

971
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,300
Yeah, there's a motion, sir.

972
01:29:12,780 --> 01:29:13,560
I'd refer as everybody.

973
01:29:14,500 --> 01:29:17,860
I don't think we're clear on what kind of questions are there.

974
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:26,340
And I would guess it if you're putting this in

975
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:32,400
Resolutions formed for the county commissioners that you provide

976
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:38,800
the applicant and then it will be posted on the website also for the community people

977
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:46,600
to see resolution will be posted part two did you get enough description of why

978
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:55,640
I thought you did it next well be let's take away on that for why you're proving

979
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,740
and that you felt like it would continue.

980
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:04,220
And this was the best way to manage it. It was by conditions.

981
01:30:07,020 --> 01:30:07,900
Is that agree with that?

982
01:30:08,380 --> 01:30:09,460
Yeah. Okay.

983
01:30:12,420 --> 01:30:12,540
Okay.

984
01:30:12,540 --> 01:30:13,380
The voting procedure, criminal.

985
01:30:14,380 --> 01:30:14,460
Favorite?

986
01:30:15,340 --> 01:30:15,700
Favorite?

987
01:30:17,580 --> 01:30:17,780
Favorite?

988
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,580
Motion carried 5-0.

989
01:30:21,340 --> 01:30:26,540
Before the county commissioners, December 23rd, 9 o'clock in the morning up here in the morning.

990
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:30,340
Folks, I know there's several of you here.

991
01:30:31,100 --> 01:30:34,480
We're going to try to continue our meeting because we have a long agenda and

992
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:40,680
already an hour and a half into the evening. We would ask that you at least go down one level

993
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:48,020
before you start a visiting. We know the elevator doesn't run real fast, but so we can continue

994
01:30:48,020 --> 01:30:54,540
with our agenda. We appreciate it greatly if you hold conversations until you get down at least

995
01:30:54,540 --> 01:30:57,040
one level if not two or three.

996
01:30:59,830 --> 01:31:06,470
Next item, public hearing to consider PL 2551 or request for a home

997
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:15,250
that last split, located at 6,2,57 northwest, 130-streak-burned Kansas staff.

998
01:31:16,170 --> 01:31:21,430
Property-owned owner Cohen Land LLC owns a track of land containing 80 plus and minus acres

999
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:27,570
located west of northwest Shumway on northwest 130-streak property is owned aggregated property

1000
01:31:27,570 --> 01:31:31,930
owner desires to split out 10 plus and minus acres surrounding existing home.

1001
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:36,390
The owner will place 70 plus and minus acres which would be the remainder of the property

1002
01:31:36,390 --> 01:31:39,010
into agricultural preservation overlay.

1003
01:31:39,730 --> 01:31:42,390
Properties located outside the urban growth area at the county.

1004
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:44,490
It is surrounded by agate properties.

1005
01:31:45,150 --> 01:31:48,210
Access to the current home is located on Northwest 130 Street,

1006
01:31:48,390 --> 01:31:51,070
which is a gravel roadway maintained by Clifford Township.

1007
01:31:51,670 --> 01:31:53,250
The home is serviced by a water well

1008
01:31:53,250 --> 01:31:55,490
and a septic system for wastewater purposes.

1009
01:31:56,110 --> 01:31:58,230
Electricity is provided by a belt of rural electric.

1010
01:31:58,730 --> 01:32:01,430
There are no FEMA map footprint areas located on the property.

1011
01:32:02,150 --> 01:32:03,730
And staff has not received any concerns

1012
01:32:03,730 --> 01:32:05,090
from neighboring property owners.

1013
01:32:05,090 --> 01:32:05,670
Chairman.

1014
01:32:07,230 --> 01:32:08,130
Questions for staff?

1015
01:32:08,770 --> 01:32:10,670
Does the African or somebody representing?

1016
01:32:15,190 --> 01:32:17,810
I thought they were both getting up again there for a second.

1017
01:32:18,370 --> 01:32:19,350
Well, they both did better than me.

1018
01:32:19,530 --> 01:32:20,090
I've said so long.

1019
01:32:20,170 --> 01:32:22,530
I'm not sure I can do that.

1020
01:32:26,250 --> 01:32:26,890
I know.

1021
01:32:31,010 --> 01:32:33,780
Thank you.

1022
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:33,820
Thank you.

1023
01:32:36,940 --> 01:32:37,820
Thank you, Roger.

1024
01:32:37,820 --> 01:32:41,560
Anyone else there to speak to this case?

1025
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:43,780
Anyone else there to speak to this case?

1026
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,700
If not, Chair of Closed Public Air and Chair of

1027
01:32:46,700 --> 01:32:52,820
Intertain Emotion and Order discussion on PL 2551.

1028
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,020
Mr. Chairman, I'd like

1029
01:32:59,460 --> 01:32:59,940
to.

1030
01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:02,420
Andy, on the motion, Christie, on the second.

1031
01:33:03,660 --> 01:33:04,620
Further discussion?

1032
01:33:05,580 --> 01:33:06,640
Loading procedure, Chairman.

1033
01:33:09,660 --> 01:33:11,500
Motion carried by zero.

1034
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:14,740
Again, county commissioners, December 23rd.

1035
01:33:14,900 --> 01:33:19,740
Next item up is public hearing to consider PL 2550,

1036
01:33:19,860 --> 01:33:22,420
a lot request, a lot for a lot split,

1037
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:27,380
located at 51-98 Northeast Highway 177,

1038
01:33:27,420 --> 01:33:29,320
over 80 Kansas staff.

1039
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:32,780
Mark Newman owns a track of lactating 48 plus or minus acres

1040
01:33:32,780 --> 01:33:35,100
located in Northeast Highway 177,

1041
01:33:35,260 --> 01:33:36,520
in Northeast 50 Street.

1042
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,420
Property is zone growth residential.

1043
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,300
Property on our desires is put out 29 plus or minus

1044
01:33:41,300 --> 01:33:47,540
the acres located on the east side of the parcel, property owner desires to sell off this portion of the property.

1045
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:54,440
Properties located outside the urban growth area of the county, property is stranded by Ag80, Ag40, and our ours own properties.

1046
01:33:55,100 --> 01:33:59,240
It is located approximately a mile and a half northeast of El Dorado's growth area.

1047
01:34:00,440 --> 01:34:05,580
Access to the property will appear in northeast 50th Street, which is gravel roadway maintained by Chelsea Township.

1048
01:34:05,580 --> 01:34:10,800
The World Water does exist in the area based on acre-sized allequin, or septic system,

1049
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,940
maybe utilize electricity as provided by Butler rule electric.

1050
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:18,000
There is a FEMA map floodplain area located on the property, but there would be a plenty

1051
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,400
of room outside this area to build a single family dwelling.

1052
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,520
The new parcel would meet the three-to-one ratio requirements and lot of furniture requirements.

1053
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:30,960
The staff has not received any complaints for against the proposed split.

1054
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:36,980
And this case does not go in front of the Board of County Commission, your decision is final here tonight.

1055
01:34:38,100 --> 01:34:39,160
Thank you.

1056
01:34:39,380 --> 01:34:39,600
Thank you.

1057
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:41,080
Michael, you're so there.

1058
01:34:41,580 --> 01:34:41,940
I have that.

1059
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:49,920
I'd like to be there with a track set in 1989.

1060
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:52,520
Just hope it's a good one.

1061
01:34:53,220 --> 01:34:54,080
Thank you.

1062
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,960
So basically it's going to be a good thing.

1063
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:01,000
I think we could get those just instinctively.

1064
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:02,800
We'll contract those.

1065
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,680
We'll do them all.

1066
01:35:07,620 --> 01:35:08,100
We'll do them all.

1067
01:35:08,140 --> 01:35:08,620
Yeah.

1068
01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:10,760
Damn it's not one of the most dangerous revolts.

1069
01:35:13,390 --> 01:35:15,810
That's the easiest way to do that.

1070
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:18,190
Where they're splitting a lot of it, makes sense, thing?

1071
01:35:23,060 --> 01:35:24,660
No, it's not a head ruder and on.

1072
01:35:24,660 --> 01:35:26,560
He did at Funky Lines in there somewhere.

1073
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:31,900
God, he can't get out of here anywhere.

1074
01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:34,200
Any other questions?

1075
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:41,700
Thanks, sir. Anyone else there to speak to this case? Anyone else there to speak to this case?

1076
01:35:42,020 --> 01:35:43,040
Staff, anything else?

1077
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:44,020
No, sir.

1078
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,740
Chair will close the public hearing. Chair will entertain the motion and order discussion

1079
01:35:48,740 --> 01:35:51,460
on PL-2550.

1080
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:56,790
I'll make a motion to approve PL-2550.

1081
01:35:57,690 --> 01:35:58,010
Second.

1082
01:35:58,010 --> 01:36:04,710
Chairman on the motion to approve, Andy, on the second, further discussion, putting

1083
01:36:04,710 --> 01:36:05,630
procedure, Chairman.

1084
01:36:06,510 --> 01:36:07,130
Thank you.

1085
01:36:07,130 --> 01:36:07,270
Thank you.

1086
01:36:07,870 --> 01:36:08,250
Thank you.

1087
01:36:08,350 --> 01:36:08,590
Thank you.

1088
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:11,070
Motion carried 5-0.

1089
01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:19,730
Next item, F-3, publicly caring to consider PL-2552 or request for a lot split located

1090
01:36:19,730 --> 01:36:25,590
at 25-64 southwest add-ons roads to want to Kansas staff.

1091
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:31,670
A little walnut venture LLC owns a track of land containing 10 plus minus acres located south

1092
01:36:31,670 --> 01:36:38,150
of southwest highway 254 on southwest Adams Road property is zoned rural residential property

1093
01:36:38,150 --> 01:36:42,830
owner deserves to split out 5 plus minus acres creating two five acre tracks.

1094
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:47,130
The property is located inside the urban growth area the county property is surrounded by

1095
01:36:47,130 --> 01:36:52,030
ag 40 in our our zone properties access to the property be located on southwest Adams

1096
01:36:52,030 --> 01:36:53,910
road, which is a paved roadway.

1097
01:36:54,290 --> 01:36:55,430
Roll water does exist.

1098
01:36:55,570 --> 01:36:57,430
There is an eight-inch line that does run down

1099
01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:58,790
the same side of the street.

1100
01:36:59,810 --> 01:37:02,950
Based on acre-sized hill of the lunar septic system,

1101
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:04,830
maybe utilized electricity is provided

1102
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:06,010
by Bella Rule Electric.

1103
01:37:06,630 --> 01:37:08,470
And there are no FEMA map footprint areas.

1104
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:13,130
Staff to confirm with the surveyor that the existing home

1105
01:37:13,130 --> 01:37:15,910
there would meet setback requirements for the new property

1106
01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:16,530
lines.

1107
01:37:18,350 --> 01:37:20,590
If there was, there are some accessories structures.

1108
01:37:20,590 --> 01:37:27,250
If any other structure did not meet those setback requirements of 25 feet side yards, they would

1109
01:37:27,250 --> 01:37:28,170
be torn down.

1110
01:37:28,910 --> 01:37:33,870
New parcels would meet three to one ratio requirements and lots of furniture requirements.

1111
01:37:34,630 --> 01:37:38,730
Staff received no comments for against proposed split, in this case, does not go before

1112
01:37:38,730 --> 01:37:41,150
the Board of County Commission in your decision here tonight's final.

1113
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:45,780
that kind of someone representing.

1114
01:37:49,570 --> 01:37:51,850
He said, sir, man, we're here tonight.

1115
01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:53,850
We're waiting for him to go.

1116
01:37:54,210 --> 01:37:55,950
We're waiting for him to go.

1117
01:37:58,470 --> 01:37:58,990
Put

1118
01:38:03,340 --> 01:38:05,660
a good, is this the old swimmer in the state?

1119
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:08,580
He's he not, yes.

1120
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:10,960
Well, I was looking at him.

1121
01:38:11,100 --> 01:38:12,760
So that has to be that place.

1122
01:38:12,940 --> 01:38:13,960
We've gotten a lot smaller.

1123
01:38:15,700 --> 01:38:16,020
Yep.

1124
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,200
Any other questions coming?

1125
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:19,940
Thank you, Roger.

1126
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:21,280
Anyone else, sir?

1127
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:22,580
Speak to this case.

1128
01:38:23,980 --> 01:38:24,700
Anyone else, sir?

1129
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:25,680
Speak to this case.

1130
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:26,820
Anything else?

1131
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,760
Not the chair will close the public hearing chair.

1132
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:31,600
We'll entertain the motion and our discussion.

1133
01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:32,980
On 25.

1134
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:33,760
52.

1135
01:38:40,770 --> 01:38:41,370
Mr. Chairman?

1136
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:43,110
I'll like a motion to approve.

1137
01:38:44,830 --> 01:38:46,610
P.O. 25 next to 52.

1138
01:38:47,110 --> 01:38:48,650
Carmen on the motion to approve.

1139
01:38:48,730 --> 01:38:49,510
Is there a second?

1140
01:38:49,670 --> 01:38:50,170
I'll second.

1141
01:38:50,170 --> 01:38:52,130
rise on the second,

1142
01:38:54,180 --> 01:39:00,760
further discussion, voting procedure, Chairman, favour, favour, favour,

1143
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,780
motion carried by zero.

1144
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:12,960
Item F4 public hearing to consider PL2553, a request for a final

1145
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:21,300
The plan located at 20,955 south-west Indian oil road, Douglas fans' last year's

1146
01:39:21,300 --> 01:39:21,720
last year.

1147
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:27,820
Ron Williamson owns a track of an incantating 26.3-plus amount of acres, located at the northwest

1148
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:32,740
corner of southwest Indian oil road in southwest 2-10th Street, property is zone rural residential.

1149
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:37,120
On October 7, the planning commission did review and approve of a four-lot pulmonary

1150
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:45,760
plant. The lot sizes range from 4.2 acres to 7.85 acres. The final plant, as well as the

1151
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:50,220
preliminary plant, is a replot of the deer creek subdivision and the deer creek

1152
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:55,560
second subdivision. The plant would only be adding one additional lot and then moving

1153
01:39:55,560 --> 01:40:00,520
some property boundaries around. The property is surrounded by Ag-40 and R-R's own properties.

1154
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:05,440
The immediate area is predominantly R-R. There are no female maps or dam breach areas

1155
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:11,020
look at it on the property. Access to lots one and two would be a 70-foot dedicated roadway.

1156
01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:16,480
Okay, on southwest two 10 streets, southwest two 10 street is paid, maintained by the county.

1157
01:40:16,580 --> 01:40:20,920
A lot of three and four would be accessed off the southwest in Yenola Road, which is a gravel roadway,

1158
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:26,100
maintained by original township. The properties are serviced by a road water.

1159
01:40:26,980 --> 01:40:29,480
Property would be serviced by private wastewater systems.

1160
01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:37,420
electricity is provided by energy, newly created parcels, would meet RR a lot with and

1161
01:40:37,420 --> 01:40:40,720
development in the months of 27 feet, not greater than 3 to 1 ratio.

1162
01:40:41,460 --> 01:40:44,780
Staff has not received any concern from surrounding property owners.

1163
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,140
Questions for staff?

1164
01:40:48,860 --> 01:40:50,380
Resap, can there someone representing?

1165
01:40:57,500 --> 01:40:58,640
Any questions for Gerald?

1166
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:02,300
Thank you, sir.

1167
01:41:05,530 --> 01:41:07,250
Anyone else who'd speak to this case?

1168
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:15,720
One, three, four, four, eight, self-wist, two, ten,

1169
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:19,940
Douglas, I own a property that's next door to Dear Creek,

1170
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,640
and we had a slight problem with the survey

1171
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,940
people over the last time when they opened up Dear Creek,

1172
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:28,600
and we didn't have a problem with Billy,

1173
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:32,940
but we had a problem with the markers on my property.

1174
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:37,820
And when I inquired as to why they wouldn't give me a straight answer

1175
01:41:37,820 --> 01:41:42,880
whether they might fence land is crooked, and my tree line is crooked.

1176
01:41:43,700 --> 01:41:46,440
And what I asked about the fence line, it was 10 feet over,

1177
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:50,500
they said there was never any good fence line over there.

1178
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,000
Well, there was, and I watched the guy at the table of fourth down,

1179
01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:55,380
come to survey at me.

1180
01:41:56,060 --> 01:42:00,500
So my question today is, there's four plots, right?

1181
01:42:01,260 --> 01:42:02,240
This would be a fine line.

1182
01:42:02,980 --> 01:42:04,400
Are they on the east side?

1183
01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:06,300
The west side of the Ukraine, the states.

1184
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:08,820
on the east side.

1185
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:09,860
Both of them all four of them.

1186
01:42:10,180 --> 01:42:14,260
Well, this is part and partial of deer creakestates.

1187
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:19,100
It's a replad of part of that and the deer creak second of the states.

1188
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:24,480
The one, the one parcel that's being created is Watt 3.

1189
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:28,140
If you look at the top, they're top, right?

1190
01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:28,820
Top, right?

1191
01:42:29,060 --> 01:42:29,400
Okay.

1192
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,640
So that was one parcel right now.

1193
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:32,320
Okay.

1194
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:40,600
So that is the that is the additional parcel that's being added. So basically they just split that and then they're moving a few property allowance

1195
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,260
because they had to

1196
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:43,960
create an access

1197
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:48,600
also as well. They're they're putting in a dedicated roadway

1198
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,820
So they had to move some property boundaries around to make that

1199
01:42:52,820 --> 01:42:53,700
I understand

1200
01:42:54,460 --> 01:42:56,340
I wanted to know where the

1201
01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:00,340
the side here was the side here's the one that surveyed them is going to be doing it.

1202
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:02,360
That one's still on the plan.

1203
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:03,740
Yeah.

1204
01:43:03,740 --> 01:43:06,640
Then I could talk to them because they're the ones that did mine.

1205
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:07,360
Oh, okay.

1206
01:43:07,460 --> 01:43:14,780
Long time ago, and I was trying to get the copy of that survey, and they didn't have it here.

1207
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:15,460
It's a courthouse.

1208
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:17,080
They said it wasn't registered.

1209
01:43:17,900 --> 01:43:20,640
So I called the company up and asked them if I could get it,

1210
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:24,340
but they said I couldn't have it because I wasn't the original request or.

1211
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:28,560
And I said, well, do you really know what pressure has to wait?

1212
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:31,720
Well, you still can't hit it.

1213
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:33,720
So, it's a record.

1214
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:35,680
It's a recorded survey there.

1215
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,500
Have you gone to the Register of Deeds Office?

1216
01:43:39,380 --> 01:43:39,880
In what?

1217
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:41,840
The Register of Deeds Office?

1218
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:46,100
The Register of Deeds Office?

1219
01:43:46,140 --> 01:43:47,380
Then I couldn't tell you.

1220
01:43:47,780 --> 01:43:51,120
Okay, so they're in this building on the first floor.

1221
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:57,320
Now I've already been here and inquired, and they said no, there was never a

1222
01:43:57,320 --> 01:43:57,960
question.

1223
01:43:58,700 --> 01:43:59,380
But that's kind of a...

1224
01:43:59,380 --> 01:44:00,880
Oh, there was never a record.

1225
01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:08,360
1985 is what I'm guessing was a time, because it was owned by Max Anderson.

1226
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:12,440
Yeah, that I don't know, but...

1227
01:44:12,440 --> 01:44:17,040
Especially if it's not recorded, I mean, if it was recorded, you can always request a copy of it from

1228
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:22,020
It's a question from here, but I tried to get from the survey, and John was going to

1229
01:44:22,020 --> 01:44:26,060
keep making you this one, and they said I couldn't have it, they do have it on record,

1230
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:32,420
but I couldn't have it because the individual that requested it is the only one that can get it.

1231
01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:35,860
And it didn't make any sense to me, since I bought the property.

1232
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:43,540
I don't know if Gerald's able to answer that question or not, but we didn't change any of that.

1233
01:44:44,340 --> 01:44:44,780
Okay.

1234
01:44:44,780 --> 01:44:48,780
We have to read this here.

1235
01:44:48,780 --> 01:44:52,240
This here is pretty.

1236
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:53,500
Yes.

1237
01:44:54,260 --> 01:44:55,080
We're going to be detained.

1238
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,240
So that's what we're going to do.

1239
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:01,940
We need that change.

1240
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:12,680
Can any of them worked as they put on my property over here, not valid? Over here. does that we just do that?

1241
01:45:12,940 --> 01:45:21,260
I know you didn't need the other survey. Can I get a copy of, can you could send sure, come to the home picture?

1242
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,880
Yes, we didn't. We just did this one.

1243
01:45:28,300 --> 01:45:30,880
So if you don't have breakfast at the one next time,

1244
01:45:31,140 --> 01:45:38,120
this is just a bit of a little last year.

1245
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:39,860
Yeah, then we'll take you to the west.

1246
01:45:40,100 --> 01:45:41,020
You can see the reason.

1247
01:45:41,660 --> 01:45:46,180
But if I was that, you know, you're still going to do that.

1248
01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:49,180
But if it doesn't require black, you can use that.

1249
01:45:49,780 --> 01:45:50,580
We're going to hit that.

1250
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,120
Thank you for coming.

1251
01:45:56,820 --> 01:45:57,700
Thank you for coming.

1252
01:45:57,700 --> 01:45:58,560
Thank you for your time.

1253
01:45:59,020 --> 01:45:59,480
There you are.

1254
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,060
These are certainly something.

1255
01:46:03,620 --> 01:46:08,320
Well, we requested was we didn't even ask when we thought they had to come and

1256
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:11,140
see to come up to the house and say, hey, you know, we've got

1257
01:46:11,140 --> 01:46:14,340
put markers on your fence line here and they didn't even do that.

1258
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:16,140
They just up to the left.

1259
01:46:16,140 --> 01:46:23,560
And I didn't find them to fall when the leaves fell off the tree, and then that's when I started seeing the flags and the markers.

1260
01:46:24,620 --> 01:46:25,300
That's what I mean.

1261
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:39,220
Well, I've always maintained the last guy in the section this, you know, short land, short and land, because all of the deeds and stuff are even less or minus.

1262
01:46:39,220 --> 01:46:45,420
and these people moving out now one. It says five hundred and one feet. I need my five hundred

1263
01:46:45,420 --> 01:46:45,980
and one.

1264
01:46:48,100 --> 01:46:55,500
And we've been through this several times with area on property that we have owned

1265
01:46:55,500 --> 01:47:03,400
out. There was one probably similar to this. They bought the place from their granddad.

1266
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:09,720
They had it surveyed off. One corner was perfectly where it was supposed to be. The other was

1267
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:14,860
off by 16 or 17 feet and they wanted to move the fence.

1268
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,960
And I said, folks, I said, we're not moving the fence.

1269
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:26,060
Both of our granddad stood here and built that fence together, and that's the line.

1270
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:34,140
So that's where you run into trouble with surveys that had been out there, or not out there.

1271
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:38,720
Like I said, it was interesting that the one corner that was dead on was way out in the middle

1272
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:44,720
nowhere as one along the road that was off. But so, yeah, those things...

1273
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:50,900
They do happen. The courtesy you're going to come up in the house and say, hey, let's have a discussion.

1274
01:47:51,540 --> 01:47:54,660
They didn't even bother to do that. They just got into vehicles and left.

1275
01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:57,040
Like I said, that didn't find it too long.

1276
01:47:58,780 --> 01:48:00,940
I said, thank you. Thank you.

1277
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:06,380
Anyone else to speak to this case?

1278
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:19,720
That's wrong.

1279
01:48:20,060 --> 01:48:26,000
You said 12 feet inside the old fence, because I didn't want to share out all those trees.

1280
01:48:26,540 --> 01:48:27,460
We're in the dormitory.

1281
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:31,280
The old fence line isn't about where the safety line is.

1282
01:48:31,420 --> 01:48:32,060
We're at a one.

1283
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:33,300
We're at a one.

1284
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:33,580
Thank you.

1285
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:34,880
Thank you.

1286
01:48:35,940 --> 01:48:36,320
All right.

1287
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:37,880
I think we can go ahead.

1288
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:47,340
I think we can go ahead.

1289
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:50,020
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion for

1290
01:48:52,450 --> 01:48:52,670
you.

1291
01:48:52,770 --> 01:48:54,170
Any on list to approve?

1292
01:48:54,710 --> 01:48:54,750
Second.

1293
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:56,530
Kermit on the second.

1294
01:48:57,330 --> 01:48:58,210
Further discussion?

1295
01:48:59,170 --> 01:49:00,370
Boding Seed your Kermit.

1296
01:49:02,210 --> 01:49:02,450
Favorite?

1297
01:49:04,030 --> 01:49:04,310
Favorite?

1298
01:49:04,490 --> 01:49:05,770
Motion carried by zero.

1299
01:49:08,530 --> 01:49:12,230
Item F5, publicly carrying to consider

1300
01:49:12,230 --> 01:49:16,890
C U 25 of the six, or a quest to operate in the venue

1301
01:49:16,890 --> 01:49:25,910
located at Southwest, 16th Street, southeast of Southwest, County Line Road, Rose Hill, Kansas,

1302
01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:26,850
staff.

1303
01:49:28,590 --> 01:49:33,930
Yes, our coal furly is under contract by 40 plus or minus acres from owners, Paul, and

1304
01:49:33,930 --> 01:49:35,330
Nathaniel Dickens.

1305
01:49:35,690 --> 01:49:40,650
Property is currently zone deck 40, property owners, desires to construct and operate an event

1306
01:49:40,650 --> 01:49:41,910
venue on the property.

1307
01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:49,290
So if the property is rezone to RE, I'm going to type two cases, the one you guys moved.

1308
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:57,930
If the property is rezone to RE, case RZ-2521, the new owner would plot four lots and construct

1309
01:49:57,930 --> 01:49:59,570
two single family dwellings.

1310
01:50:01,450 --> 01:50:07,150
RZ-2521 was denied by the Planning Commission on 107-2025.

1311
01:50:07,150 --> 01:50:13,710
The reason was heard by the Board of County Commissioners on 10, 28, 20, 25.

1312
01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:20,370
During this hearing, the board heard from Mr. Hurley and sent the case back to the planning

1313
01:50:20,370 --> 01:50:22,870
commission to consider the new plans.

1314
01:50:23,890 --> 01:50:30,310
It is important to understand that the conditional user request can be approved or denied independently

1315
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:35,210
from the Reson application and if the property remains at 40.

1316
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:46,210
The operational plan notes the following that they wish to construct a 5,000 square foot barn or rustic style building that could host up to 350 guests.

1317
01:50:47,610 --> 01:50:58,430
They covered outside area which could host up to 300 guests. They will host weddings, retreats, functions, private celebrations such as anniversaries and reunions.

1318
01:50:58,430 --> 01:51:05,530
The plan notes that the building would have a state-of-the-art sound system, a dance floor catering kitchen,

1319
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:11,830
the property owners plan to live on the property, or on one of the parcels.

1320
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:23,030
The hours of operation are Sunday through Thursday, 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., Friday and Saturday, 8 a.m. to 11 p.m.

1321
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:29,790
The property is currently zoned to AG-40, as mentioned, the board is considering a current

1322
01:51:29,790 --> 01:51:33,270
application again to rezone the property to residential states.

1323
01:51:34,330 --> 01:51:39,210
The property is located inside the urban growth area of the county property is surrounded

1324
01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:41,290
by AG-40 and RR zone properties.

1325
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:46,690
Because particular conditions associated with the venue activities might have an adverse

1326
01:51:46,690 --> 01:51:52,030
effect on nearby properties, conditional uses are not permitted outright, but are allowed

1327
01:51:52,030 --> 01:51:57,510
as conditional uses, because of the nature of activities associated with an event, then you

1328
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:58,070
this size.

1329
01:51:58,070 --> 01:52:03,010
The board should consider whether the proposed use is appropriate for the area.

1330
01:52:03,710 --> 01:52:08,890
It is not necessarily whether the proposed use is consistent with the intent and purpose of

1331
01:52:08,890 --> 01:52:09,810
the zoning regulations.

1332
01:52:11,410 --> 01:52:18,490
The uses in the area appear to be in large part rural residential, use in agricultural uses.

1333
01:52:18,490 --> 01:52:22,530
There are rural residential subdivisions located to the south and to the north.

1334
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:27,310
There are two other conditionally uses located on West Rosewood Street.

1335
01:52:27,790 --> 01:52:28,890
Just located to the south.

1336
01:52:30,590 --> 01:52:32,910
One is a top soil harvesting operation.

1337
01:52:33,610 --> 01:52:35,690
The other is a church day school.

1338
01:52:36,850 --> 01:52:41,710
The event venue by nature would not be compatible with other land uses in the area unless

1339
01:52:41,710 --> 01:52:46,670
additional requirements are made to make the request more compatible with surrounding property owners.

1340
01:52:49,550 --> 01:52:55,510
The entrance to the venue would be located on Southwest 16th Street, which is a gravel roadway

1341
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:56,990
maintained by Puzzle Township.

1342
01:52:57,390 --> 01:53:02,170
The owner is willing to make improvements to the roadway if necessary and has met with

1343
01:53:02,170 --> 01:53:04,810
the township to discuss those improvements.

1344
01:53:05,490 --> 01:53:08,170
Staff did reach out to the trustee.

1345
01:53:08,690 --> 01:53:14,730
The township did express two staff that they would prefer the road to remain gravel at

1346
01:53:14,730 --> 01:53:15,230
the time.

1347
01:53:17,930 --> 01:53:25,070
There is a two inch line that runs east and west along southwest, one-sixty street, it's

1348
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:27,570
such a rural water district three.

1349
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:32,010
They can supply additional meters to the property.

1350
01:53:33,250 --> 01:53:35,590
A rural water is available, as mentioned.

1351
01:53:36,190 --> 01:53:42,230
There is a two inch line that runs east and west along southwest, one-sixty street.

1352
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:44,450
I already said that, sorry.

1353
01:53:45,010 --> 01:53:49,870
Property would be serviced by private wastewater systems, but the rural electric would provide

1354
01:53:49,870 --> 01:53:54,930
electricity, and there are no FEMA maps to floodplain areas located on the property.

1355
01:53:56,030 --> 01:54:00,930
Staff feels the proposed use would have impact on surrounding property owners and is proposing

1356
01:54:00,930 --> 01:54:04,510
consideration of the following conditions to limit those impacts.

1357
01:54:04,510 --> 01:54:12,470
hours of operations, some day through Thursday, 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. Friday and Saturday, 8 a.m. to 11 p.m.

1358
01:54:12,690 --> 01:54:17,990
No music outdoors after 10 p.m., all parking will be on side, no parking allowed on

1359
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:22,850
southwest one, 60th Street, any lighting would be positioned in a downward direction, so

1360
01:54:22,850 --> 01:54:28,450
us did not impact the joining landowners. The event building itself should meet Butler County

1361
01:54:28,450 --> 01:54:33,910
Commercial Coat Standards, entrance located on southwest one, 60th Street shall meet the county

1362
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:39,510
engineers standards, allowing for the full and traffic in and out that then you at the same time.

1363
01:54:40,010 --> 01:54:46,050
If future putting occurs in interior roadway shall be constructed that allows for access to all those lots.

1364
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:57,440
In consideration of the event venue, the board should consider the reconsideration of RZ-2520-21,

1365
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:03,880
The rezoning of the property for my Puerto R.E. staff will also note that if the event

1366
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,140
venue is recommended for approval,

1367
01:55:08,580 --> 01:55:15,860
and the rezoning case is not approved after reconsideration,

1368
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:23,720
a new site plan should be submitted to the board to be reviewed by Board County Commissioners.

1369
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:32,780
So they submitted a site plan originally, but the site plan does include what I'm trying to get out, there's a lot of scenarios here.

1370
01:55:32,900 --> 01:55:33,700
There's a chicken in there.

1371
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:35,180
Yes.

1372
01:55:35,180 --> 01:55:43,500
So they originally submitted a site plan that showed two driveway entrances, which you have in your packets.

1373
01:55:46,220 --> 01:55:53,100
They do show kind of the layout of where the map that was provided the site plan that was provided.

1374
01:55:54,320 --> 01:56:00,020
I believe South is up, North is down, no, you're fine.

1375
01:56:00,340 --> 01:56:02,900
Well, I just want to explain it, so they weren't all twisted.

1376
01:56:04,820 --> 01:56:07,020
They would have figured it out probably anyway.

1377
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:15,260
But yes, so again, that site plan was contingent on the rezoning being approved,

1378
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:19,740
but this can be approved without rezoning the property.

1379
01:56:19,740 --> 01:56:25,060
I mean, you can't approve if you so choose the event venue, and not approve the reason.

1380
01:56:26,340 --> 01:56:34,860
But I don't have a site plan of event venue in existence by itself, as opposed to the property.

1381
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:42,280
In the reconsideration on the next case for the reason application, they have submitted a site plan.

1382
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:49,020
That generally looks like a preliminary plot, just not to that extent, that does show an interior

1383
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:53,540
roadway with a turnaround area that would access some of those.

1384
01:56:54,200 --> 01:57:03,540
On that plan, the event venue would be basically on the large parcel to the west, and the

1385
01:57:03,540 --> 01:57:08,880
other properties to be the right, and we can get into more in that when we get to the

1386
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:09,120
reason.

1387
01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:14,500
But I wanted to kind of explain the two are not independent on each other.

1388
01:57:15,060 --> 01:57:22,160
I did recommend that we hold off with the application of this until we knew the outcome

1389
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:29,160
originally of the rezoned case, but time was of the essence so he did make application.

1390
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:39,100
Staff's recommendation on this is that I would not approve it unless this board is

1391
01:57:39,100 --> 01:57:43,820
comfortable with specific conditions that would limit impacts on surrounding

1392
01:57:43,820 --> 01:57:44,200
people.

1393
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:58,040
The question today, and I was thinking about it earlier, and I don't know how to

1394
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:59,980
even hardly ask it.

1395
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,840
We're always talking about downward facing lights.

1396
01:58:04,620 --> 01:58:09,300
But if it's on a 200 foot hole, it lights up the heck of the mayor.

1397
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:14,780
It's going to be hard, whether it's because it's kind of like the

1398
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:17,840
That was one of the biggest requirements we had

1399
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:19,840
we had down to face and lights.

1400
01:58:20,660 --> 01:58:23,980
But two and a half miles away, you can see it from 254.

1401
01:58:24,260 --> 01:58:27,460
I went with the down to face and not, you know.

1402
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,780
So that's always kind of been one of those I'm going.

1403
01:58:31,980 --> 01:58:33,760
That's always an interesting one.

1404
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:37,100
It's really hard, how they're constructed.

1405
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:42,480
I mean, the best possible scenario is to try to limit that effect

1406
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:44,180
by it now we're facing them opposite,

1407
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,080
but you're absolutely correct if we have a.

1408
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:51,380
Well, and here again, the other aspect of it is

1409
01:58:51,380 --> 01:58:58,280
is the wattage that's involved in it and the

1410
01:59:01,730 --> 01:59:03,630
situation

1411
01:59:03,630 --> 01:59:05,070
like this,

1412
01:59:07,490 --> 01:59:11,010
most of them, what causes your lighting issues

1413
01:59:11,010 --> 01:59:14,520
is the parking part of it.

1414
01:59:14,700 --> 01:59:18,420
Keeping it well, and having those, we don't really

1415
01:59:18,420 --> 01:59:20,220
I don't want a dark parking lot,

1416
01:59:23,220 --> 01:59:28,660
but just something I had to have been rolling in my head for a week.

1417
01:59:29,540 --> 01:59:31,420
I got to say it finally tonight.

1418
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:37,140
So there's a difference between a bed lighting and security lighting.

1419
01:59:38,180 --> 01:59:40,060
Yeah, that's all about lighting up everything.

1420
01:59:40,680 --> 01:59:45,860
Yeah, but like I said, it's interesting.

1421
01:59:45,860 --> 01:59:52,560
And here again, it's the wattage type issue too,

1422
01:59:54,620 --> 01:59:59,320
because they can turn half of them off and still have security in my estimation.

1423
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:06,780
Okay, anything else any other questions? I can, I can't hijack the board there.

1424
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:10,660
Not as the applicant or someone representing.

1425
02:00:10,660 --> 02:00:10,760
One,

1426
02:00:16,790 --> 02:00:18,810
two, eight, five, five.

1427
02:00:19,030 --> 02:00:21,150
So I was going to show you some of the number of people.

1428
02:00:21,730 --> 02:00:22,130
Correctly.

1429
02:00:24,210 --> 02:00:28,890
So my son's here at the night, just a little backstory.

1430
02:00:29,150 --> 02:00:30,310
I've always lived in the public out.

1431
02:00:30,690 --> 02:00:33,070
Never in any number, never in every guest in the rest of the world.

1432
02:00:33,250 --> 02:00:33,930
I always have a count.

1433
02:00:35,010 --> 02:00:37,930
My dad built their house in 19e, in the public outing,

1434
02:00:37,930 --> 02:00:40,630
and over his number, into their house.

1435
02:00:41,230 --> 02:00:43,630
So the plan is we are currently under contract

1436
02:00:43,630 --> 02:00:45,350
for the 48 years, like we talked about.

1437
02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:50,810
Obviously, the best case scenario is going to show you's permit and the reason because the

1438
02:00:50,810 --> 02:00:53,650
plaintiffs were my parents to go to the house out of the country where they pushed

1439
02:00:53,650 --> 02:00:58,710
them, where they weren't in the initial, and then us don't want to dwell on the site.

1440
02:00:59,590 --> 02:01:05,870
I feel like being on the site helps, and I mean, I mean, not just, I mean, it's out there,

1441
02:01:06,090 --> 02:01:10,090
it's out of the back cell, just not being right in the outside of the outside of the town.

1442
02:01:11,230 --> 02:01:16,490
But my wife and I raised our three boys out and down as well, we're both teachers that

1443
02:01:16,490 --> 02:01:20,450
have our schools and we're just really looking forward.

1444
02:01:21,210 --> 02:01:23,470
I wish something that teachers have come to be honest.

1445
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:25,770
We own her issue, I was well.

1446
02:01:25,950 --> 02:01:31,590
My wife will start in 1967 and at this point, my dad said, you want to, I work another

1447
02:01:31,590 --> 02:01:32,190
full-time job.

1448
02:01:32,290 --> 02:01:33,990
I can't do this all the time.

1449
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:38,530
He's three retired, so I'm trying to figure out a way to transition that business to

1450
02:01:38,530 --> 02:01:39,030
another point.

1451
02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:41,790
that's not quite so labor intensive on him and myself.

1452
02:01:43,550 --> 02:01:46,550
Sorry, you started high school, is not, sorry.

1453
02:01:47,290 --> 02:01:50,750
A little different, sorry, takes me a second, but.

1454
02:01:51,110 --> 02:01:53,210
We can be just as rad and interrupted.

1455
02:01:54,190 --> 02:01:56,030
You say in there, you probably heard something.

1456
02:01:56,670 --> 02:01:58,030
Yeah, I don't know.

1457
02:01:58,050 --> 02:01:58,770
They're less than 10.

1458
02:02:01,870 --> 02:02:08,730
But the goal is, obviously, to create something that adds to the county and not takes away.

1459
02:02:08,930 --> 02:02:13,390
I don't want some crazy futuristic looking building.

1460
02:02:13,830 --> 02:02:16,610
You can see the picture on the front page of that report that I have.

1461
02:02:17,050 --> 02:02:17,910
That's the idea.

1462
02:02:18,270 --> 02:02:23,030
And then you can just fit the landscape to add a part to add some trees because right now it's 40 years

1463
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:29,950
So the plan is to plan state that, and it's really more subluded, so you won't even

1464
02:02:29,950 --> 02:02:30,710
hardly see it.

1465
02:02:30,930 --> 02:02:35,210
We walked up a property, you came to know where the new sits, or the plan would say you

1466
02:02:35,210 --> 02:02:35,810
came to see it.

1467
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:43,350
So because of the way the plan is, and if we build it the way that we've described it, I just

1468
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:48,450
don't see it taken away from anything that adding to the count itself for an end of township.

1469
02:02:48,450 --> 02:02:52,770
And I did have a meeting, I went to the tells me to go with him.

1470
02:02:53,450 --> 02:02:55,050
He did, I did not.

1471
02:02:55,610 --> 02:02:57,690
I was not on the question that they wanted to keep a rabble.

1472
02:02:58,330 --> 02:03:02,050
I was on the question that they weren't going to pay for it,

1473
02:03:02,090 --> 02:03:06,170
but they said if I, they would be more than willing to enter to a degree

1474
02:03:06,170 --> 02:03:10,770
than to have us, Jinsil, that road, and they would create the base.

1475
02:03:11,150 --> 02:03:15,550
He said, it's already got a solid base that it would,

1476
02:03:15,550 --> 02:03:21,750
that would take much to prepare it and we paid for the chipset from the bridge that is

1477
02:03:21,750 --> 02:03:28,330
either of my old Western or Southern to the eastern entrance I would rather do in our property

1478
02:03:28,330 --> 02:03:31,130
and to it just to cover the whole thing.

1479
02:03:31,490 --> 02:03:36,250
But when a proper road is expanded for lanes they are paving all the way to the bridge and then

1480
02:03:36,250 --> 02:03:38,970
disaprotating the wildlife to the bottom of it.

1481
02:03:39,090 --> 02:03:45,530
So it would be from that point of the bridge to being in our property that we are going to

1482
02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:52,090
Well, and now I would just generally say that because we've had downchips come in and

1483
02:03:52,090 --> 02:03:58,630
go, well you're going to do the next half mile off so when you have no, if you want to

1484
02:03:58,630 --> 02:04:04,310
go to your boundary I don't know, totally fine with that, it's it's just we, I've seen

1485
02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:10,170
that sing where they've tried to abuse someone coming in.

1486
02:04:10,170 --> 02:04:15,490
But they were very gracious while I was there, and it seemed very supportive that we think

1487
02:04:15,490 --> 02:04:16,370
that we were doing.

1488
02:04:16,630 --> 02:04:20,570
There wasn't a lot of people in this area, but the old one was there.

1489
02:04:20,670 --> 02:04:22,030
They were talking to you.

1490
02:04:22,610 --> 02:04:27,410
So, they weren't against the venue by any means.

1491
02:04:27,570 --> 02:04:32,950
I think their issue was with the cost share that it felt like they wanted to enter an agreement

1492
02:04:32,950 --> 02:04:38,570
for a cost share because then that brings on expectations for maintenance as well.

1493
02:04:38,570 --> 02:04:49,370
I think they felt like it was probably going to get paved at some point anyway, so that's why I said they just prefer it to remain gravel at this time.

1494
02:04:50,110 --> 02:05:01,010
So really, that's because I don't think they're going to be for a maintenance agreement or a cost share to get the road done at this time.

1495
02:05:05,230 --> 02:05:11,470
I mean, as far as I know, they just prefer that a state grab will right now.

1496
02:05:12,170 --> 02:05:14,310
And I did speak with them after we spoke.

1497
02:05:18,420 --> 02:05:25,060
Well, and that's something that can could be clarified if we proceed on.

1498
02:05:25,860 --> 02:05:27,740
It can be clarified very easily.

1499
02:05:27,740 --> 02:05:27,740
I

1500
02:05:32,220 --> 02:05:37,280
think he was at all the business plan and the

1501
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:41,860
Glinder site plan to get on the resounding with the four lots.

1502
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:44,620
Again, just two and lots, three and four,

1503
02:05:44,880 --> 02:05:47,160
would be, so we only don't want to embarrass ourselves in my house.

1504
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:50,560
And then, of course, we want to be,

1505
02:05:50,580 --> 02:05:53,920
or the, not the hand-drawn one, but yeah.

1506
02:05:54,340 --> 02:05:55,900
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1507
02:05:55,900 --> 02:05:57,280
I've been looking at that.

1508
02:06:00,700 --> 02:06:00,980
Okay.

1509
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,980
It's a pretty good sketch, and it's got dimensions on any line.

1510
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:07,160
I think it's a best deal.

1511
02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:09,000
Oh, and you get, man?

1512
02:06:09,160 --> 02:06:10,000
Well, we'll have a little bit of a strategy.

1513
02:06:10,740 --> 02:06:11,580
Part of your Instagram.

1514
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,160
So, the kids have been learning as you've been there.

1515
02:06:14,540 --> 02:06:16,300
Oh, that's just quite a bit.

1516
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:18,460
So, a lot to you.

1517
02:06:18,500 --> 02:06:19,720
It just be sold to him, ever?

1518
02:06:19,940 --> 02:06:21,520
No, we would all, we're not selling.

1519
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:24,320
We would all hold it.

1520
02:06:24,420 --> 02:06:25,020
I don't have to.

1521
02:06:25,580 --> 02:06:27,640
So, a lot to...

1522
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:30,000
I'd rather listen to parts of the talk.

1523
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:32,300
At some point, says he's going to look back.

1524
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:33,320
He's a ski officer.

1525
02:06:33,620 --> 02:06:34,120
He's a ski instructor.

1526
02:06:34,380 --> 02:06:35,680
He's a ski instructor.

1527
02:06:37,140 --> 02:06:39,600
But if that was the case, we would love to keep it.

1528
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:39,780
We'd love to keep it.

1529
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:40,920
Got you.

1530
02:06:41,300 --> 02:06:42,480
It wouldn't be so long.

1531
02:06:42,700 --> 02:06:42,980
Got you.

1532
02:06:46,730 --> 02:06:47,430
Other questions?

1533
02:06:52,380 --> 02:06:52,620
Right.

1534
02:06:52,620 --> 02:06:54,300
Just think we can get you that iPad.

1535
02:06:54,620 --> 02:06:56,220
You can look at that on that.

1536
02:06:56,240 --> 02:06:56,460
All right.

1537
02:06:57,120 --> 02:06:58,080
Tenantra Bigger's right.

1538
02:06:58,160 --> 02:06:59,900
I'll blow it up on that.

1539
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:00,600
You're in the screen.

1540
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:02,740
OK.

1541
02:07:02,740 --> 02:07:03,180
That would be bad.

1542
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:04,500
Also, I want to do that.

1543
02:07:04,500 --> 02:07:05,740
That was a kind of mission we did.

1544
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:20,600
Any

1545
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,020
other questions or comments for

1546
02:07:30,340 --> 02:07:36,260
anyone else here to speak to this case?

1547
02:07:41,610 --> 02:07:43,790
Hello, my name is Lance Flower.

1548
02:07:45,450 --> 02:07:46,750
I actually live a 15-4

1549
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:52,160
-footer of e-canzas, which is about a mile and a quarter away.

1550
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:55,180
But I do own the property that

1551
02:08:01,870 --> 02:08:02,750
won 60 of

1552
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:05,180
them.

1553
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:07,760
Now, I didn't catch the exact number.

1554
02:08:10,410 --> 02:08:11,430
But was it 300?

1555
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:15,330
Inside at 350 out or 350 in?

1556
02:08:18,690 --> 02:08:20,510
So the outside is just what we're saying.

1557
02:08:20,690 --> 02:08:24,750
When you decide to put this up, it's the same thing.

1558
02:08:24,910 --> 02:08:27,070
It's not trying to get six out of people at one time.

1559
02:08:27,450 --> 02:08:29,310
It's an outside scenario.

1560
02:08:29,310 --> 02:08:34,310
area, which is not even in the plans right now. That's future, sir.

1561
02:08:34,690 --> 02:08:38,530
I'm sorry. We're section inside. Okay. So, not trying to put six or eight people on.

1562
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:45,410
So, I'm probably the only one around here that lives next to an event facility.

1563
02:08:46,170 --> 02:08:52,930
So, there is the Pinehurst facility right there at one County Library, just south.

1564
02:08:53,250 --> 02:08:53,910
Or just north

1565
02:08:58,970 --> 02:08:59,510
of Stubby.

1566
02:10:27,160 --> 02:10:30,580
And I can tell you, you know, we've kind of let the charge on 159.

1567
02:10:30,580 --> 02:10:31,520
If there's noise,

1568
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:43,960
it's just awful.

1569
02:11:57,320 --> 02:12:01,480
The cause and my address is a 23-year-old

1570
02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:03,720
incident state in which talk.

1571
02:12:03,820 --> 02:12:11,040
And I own the property just to be east of where this is being discussed.

1572
02:12:11,600 --> 02:12:15,760
I don't have the property since 1973.

1573
02:12:17,180 --> 02:12:22,160
So I've been there a long time at this time.

1574
02:12:22,160 --> 02:12:24,660
I have several concerns,

1575
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:32,640
I was out there fixing plants and doing some plants, and we could go.

1576
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:39,800
And the dust on the road, everyone went through the end of the afternoon, up like rush hour, anything.

1577
02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:46,860
But the dust was so bad that in a very short time you couldn't even see what color my shoes were.

1578
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:52,440
And I caught with some of these after that because of the dust that was,

1579
02:12:52,440 --> 02:13:01,900
The construction equipment is somebody all in the trailer loaded six big round bales down the road,

1580
02:13:02,040 --> 02:13:03,700
and all that sort of thing.

1581
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:06,100
There weren't any cars going down the road.

1582
02:13:06,100 --> 02:13:09,820
It was all trucks at some nature and other.

1583
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:20,000
And the road just, I don't feel that it's supportive of traffic, commercial traffic,

1584
02:13:20,980 --> 02:13:32,000
being able to do things that were, let's see, my other concern is I guess after a hearing

1585
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:39,320
and I'm sorry if there were teachers and everything unless you had experience in this business,

1586
02:13:39,940 --> 02:13:44,240
it was very easy to go bankrupt trying to do something like this.

1587
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:51,040
I mean, you can really put together a nice packet, beautiful pictures, and all of this kind of stuff.

1588
02:13:51,380 --> 02:13:54,840
But even in just bankering, can't do it.

1589
02:13:55,260 --> 02:13:56,720
They are having to rate.

1590
02:13:57,420 --> 02:13:58,500
They've gotten moved.

1591
02:13:58,500 --> 02:13:59,640
I think it's been passed.

1592
02:13:59,780 --> 02:14:05,600
The county's going to have to raise taxes just for in just bankering.

1593
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,800
Man, that's not really pertaining.

1594
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:11,640
It says business, it says concern.

1595
02:14:12,280 --> 02:14:12,600
Okay.

1596
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:23,040
And I have a real concern about, you know, what happens if this goes down and you're saying

1597
02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:32,800
it's in business, but it's my business if it must have been a good and I have to deal with

1598
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:37,080
a lot of other negative things that happen down the road.

1599
02:14:37,080 --> 02:14:49,380
So I'm also trying to give it, I had a farmer who passed away and his family's trying to take over the farming.

1600
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:52,080
This was his first year at it.

1601
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:59,960
and I really would like to support the farming aspect.

1602
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:25,960
I cannot be driven off by noise and noise and who knows what else. I pick up a lot of your problems and wear cans along the road and pop cups and food bags and all that kind of stuff. I have to do that several times a year. I have to go up and down the road just picking up all of those things.

1603
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:34,700
want to mow it and the others just because it's unsightly so, you know, I'm not happy about

1604
02:15:34,700 --> 02:15:37,940
doing that kind of stuff but it's reality of all the properties.

1605
02:15:40,900 --> 02:15:41,760
So, you know, those are some

1606
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:50,620
of my concerns and other concerns. I got this card in the mail. It's sort of important, notice on

1607
02:15:50,620 --> 02:15:57,360
But I got this the day before the last time I'm meeting and I need a lot kind of long

1608
02:15:57,360 --> 02:15:58,740
so I didn't want to say anything.

1609
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:08,700
But the top half of the card tells me that water supply was contaminated and it gave

1610
02:16:08,700 --> 02:16:14,940
me all the details on that and then the bottom half of the card says you walked away from

1611
02:16:14,940 --> 02:16:15,260
that.

1612
02:16:15,260 --> 02:16:23,200
So that's, you know, I feel like the real water district is a little bit fragile there.

1613
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:24,060
I mean, yes.

1614
02:16:24,460 --> 02:16:28,320
There, I think they did some more compounding on portion.

1615
02:16:29,200 --> 02:16:31,420
Maybe we didn't have a little bit larger volume.

1616
02:16:31,720 --> 02:16:33,560
Maybe that was responsible for this.

1617
02:16:34,620 --> 02:16:40,140
But the point was that there is contaminated by water supply there.

1618
02:16:40,140 --> 02:16:47,800
So I just feel I should bring that up too, so I'm not sure if we have the infrastructure

1619
02:16:49,600 --> 02:17:00,560
support as far as fire and policing of the events, and there's always going to be something

1620
02:17:00,560 --> 02:17:03,460
that comes up, but those sort of things.

1621
02:17:03,460 --> 02:17:12,100
You just, if you're going to have crowds that stuff's going to happen, and I have a real concern about that.

1622
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:19,760
One of actually my farm in 2000, the way he was involved was the fire department.

1623
02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:26,460
And I could see, over the years of last 10 years or so, you could just see the stress on him,

1624
02:17:26,460 --> 02:17:38,400
from being a volunteer and trying to manage the drugs and other things that come up with

1625
02:17:38,400 --> 02:17:46,720
not being a really paid department, like paid fire department or anything itself.

1626
02:17:47,160 --> 02:17:55,380
It was volunteers, and I just don't feel that those children come down far along.

1627
02:17:55,380 --> 02:18:01,420
You know, they don't have some of these things about that.

1628
02:18:01,580 --> 02:18:05,000
I think there's more to let them just tell you,

1629
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:08,320
how do you act in the pictures of paths and saying,

1630
02:18:08,400 --> 02:18:12,820
this is all that is accessible because it does affect

1631
02:18:12,820 --> 02:18:15,000
but to me I think it affects the path,

1632
02:18:15,020 --> 02:18:16,940
since I'm only doing my path too.

1633
02:18:18,340 --> 02:18:19,520
I just have those concerns.

1634
02:18:20,580 --> 02:18:21,440
I appreciate it.

1635
02:18:21,600 --> 02:18:21,860
Any questions?

1636
02:18:23,220 --> 02:18:25,760
So where do you live from this?

1637
02:18:25,880 --> 02:18:27,060
I live in Wichita.

1638
02:18:27,620 --> 02:18:30,900
So you then watch Tal, but you just have you've landed here.

1639
02:18:31,140 --> 02:18:33,540
I have land and we're here.

1640
02:18:33,540 --> 02:18:34,320
Yeah, where are you saying?

1641
02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:37,200
I'm not adjacent to it.

1642
02:18:37,220 --> 02:18:38,800
I have a house out there too.

1643
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,070
So, and a house.

1644
02:18:53,580 --> 02:18:53,920
Thank you.

1645
02:18:59,360 --> 02:19:00,300
Anyone else?

1646
02:19:04,460 --> 02:19:07,000
I'm going to go over 1, 6, 4, 7, 6,

1647
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:15,000
to I know, which is adjacent to this property as well. My name concerns, along with everybody else,

1648
02:19:15,240 --> 02:19:20,240
and they read quite a good voice, so I won't go over them. It's the terrorist land,

1649
02:19:20,520 --> 02:19:26,260
and as you can see, that property gets to their shelves and the terraces. I want to know what

1650
02:19:26,260 --> 02:19:32,000
the effect, if you really change them, what the effects are to be on my property. I don't want

1651
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:35,320
I am, you talk to us.

1652
02:19:35,320 --> 02:19:35,900
Well, okay.

1653
02:19:36,860 --> 02:19:37,380
Take an area.

1654
02:19:39,020 --> 02:19:42,480
Well, I am concerned about the soil erosion and the water shedding.

1655
02:19:44,140 --> 02:19:46,180
I don't know what effects it's going to have.

1656
02:19:46,480 --> 02:19:48,340
But the moment we've got the Goldilocks at that,

1657
02:19:48,340 --> 02:19:51,400
I'm not too much, not too little just right.

1658
02:19:52,360 --> 02:19:55,760
So I like it to say like that because I don't have to deal with it.

1659
02:19:55,760 --> 02:19:59,480
I've got damms on that property and I don't want to wash away

1660
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:04,680
because we simply have too much water or soil clogging it all up and washing it away.

1661
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:13,200
I'm also concerned about the increase of traffic and that, as I said before,

1662
02:20:15,820 --> 02:20:16,160
how the

1663
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:22,600
road is going to be maintained. We already have trespasses wandering around driving up and

1664
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:28,180
down even in the last two weeks on those properties because people come into the countryside

1665
02:20:28,180 --> 02:20:30,240
decide they can just go out of the want.

1666
02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:33,040
And if you're going to have a good sentence,

1667
02:20:33,580 --> 02:20:36,860
how do I know that I'm going to come running into my place,

1668
02:20:37,060 --> 02:20:38,760
which is how to use times.

1669
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:42,880
I want to know about the programs and the septic systems.

1670
02:20:43,240 --> 02:20:44,860
So I want to know how it's going to be handled.

1671
02:20:45,900 --> 02:20:48,180
That's handled by that gentleman right there.

1672
02:20:48,920 --> 02:20:51,660
So I'm going to be approved through their department.

1673
02:20:52,140 --> 02:20:55,620
Well, and there was talk of sustainable irrigation.

1674
02:20:55,620 --> 02:21:01,720
and I don't know what that means, but if that involves pump and water from the wells, like

1675
02:21:01,720 --> 02:21:06,600
we've discussed before, we're not going to be able to water because it can't support

1676
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:14,820
that amount of irradiation and that amount of people coming in and using water, which isn't

1677
02:21:14,820 --> 02:21:17,420
a normal household, it's a large quantity.

1678
02:21:18,940 --> 02:21:25,240
So as neighbors would lift that forever and rely on well water, we're going to be impacted.

1679
02:21:27,100 --> 02:21:32,060
I'm also concerned to get about the fire hazards and the fire risks, and to be honest,

1680
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:36,060
I'm not even sure where our nearest fire hydrant is.

1681
02:21:36,740 --> 02:21:39,860
Here in the country there is no near fire hydrant.

1682
02:21:39,860 --> 02:21:42,700
I can tell you that.

1683
02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:46,900
But you've gone to put an event centre and we lots of people are going to be in the

1684
02:21:46,900 --> 02:21:50,200
high risk of possible issue with a client.

1685
02:21:51,540 --> 02:21:58,800
You know, nature of people singing, dancing, drinking, smoking, you know, that's past

1686
02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:05,800
your land around there and another concert I have and past have been addressed by anybody

1687
02:22:05,800 --> 02:22:15,000
So far, is there's a substation to substation power line on there, and there's an easement for that.

1688
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:24,440
And nobody's talked about it. I mean, nobody's mentioned it, and you can't build under it.

1689
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:31,820
There is no structures to be had. There's no trees to be on the river because you've got to allow the powerful to come in.

1690
02:22:31,820 --> 02:22:36,860
And, you can't put poles in, you know, I don't know about poles, but I wouldn't imagine

1691
02:22:36,860 --> 02:22:40,060
they did to the same problem.

1692
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:44,620
And this isn't the only event sentry here, isn't it?

1693
02:22:44,620 --> 02:22:49,140
There's actually four, this would be the four-plomb within five miles.

1694
02:22:50,500 --> 02:22:52,680
Do we really need that many eventesensives?

1695
02:22:56,420 --> 02:22:56,920
Any questions?

1696
02:23:02,040 --> 02:23:02,680
Thank you, man.

1697
02:23:06,180 --> 02:23:07,020
Anyone else?

1698
02:23:13,440 --> 02:23:14,320
Anyone else?

1699
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:21,680
So if you step up and go through some of the concerns and questions that we're...

1700
02:23:22,180 --> 02:23:22,900
Holders again.

1701
02:23:23,480 --> 02:23:26,500
Once we've got five samples and I'm here to ask you to look at this.

1702
02:23:27,440 --> 02:23:28,740
Wait, just a couple of things.

1703
02:23:29,380 --> 02:23:31,720
During the township, we need to have about two weeks go.

1704
02:23:31,960 --> 02:23:36,780
The whining of the mother road is starting after the 1st of the year.

1705
02:23:37,340 --> 02:23:39,300
And the detour is actually going to be pretty pretty.

1706
02:23:39,360 --> 02:23:41,440
It's going east of the mother road.

1707
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:44,020
it's not coming to you where the west of Euler Road,

1708
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:46,800
and they said the D2 are interested in it,

1709
02:23:46,980 --> 02:23:49,080
so they said, but this is for 90 days.

1710
02:23:49,380 --> 02:23:52,360
There will be construction on Euler Road for quite a while,

1711
02:23:53,400 --> 02:23:54,820
but actually not having traffic.

1712
02:23:55,500 --> 02:23:56,780
They said, I believe it was 90 to 90,

1713
02:23:57,040 --> 02:23:59,400
but this is what they said, the D2 are.

1714
02:23:59,420 --> 02:24:02,000
And it is going to be east of Euler Road,

1715
02:24:02,340 --> 02:24:03,920
not in the Euler Road, back in the west side.

1716
02:24:05,320 --> 02:24:07,640
Also, the range that it was addressed

1717
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:09,900
at 160, the intersection of 160,

1718
02:24:09,900 --> 02:24:15,180
that it can, I wrote, there's also talking about why it is well, there's two bridges there

1719
02:24:15,180 --> 02:24:19,300
that fire truck can't make the turn, and it is already being discussed about trying to fix

1720
02:24:19,300 --> 02:24:28,280
that as well, but traffic, the plan is to turn to send it east, not west, to pay, if we

1721
02:24:28,280 --> 02:24:33,800
have a life for the ship sewer, and then send it to the pavement to follow a road rather than trying

1722
02:24:33,800 --> 02:24:38,700
to go. If it's me, I'm going to take the boat pavement, then they're going to be trying to have

1723
02:24:38,700 --> 02:24:45,740
somewhere. So, that intersection should not be affected as much as we might think it would be.

1724
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:48,680
Also, the dusty roads we talked about that, we did.

1725
02:24:49,340 --> 02:24:50,660
Didn't care about the lights.

1726
02:24:52,680 --> 02:24:53,280
Excuse me.

1727
02:24:53,860 --> 02:24:56,560
It is a way that it's not going to have, like, exactly.

1728
02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:59,060
It's not going to secure the lights. Other than the parking lot,

1729
02:24:59,560 --> 02:25:01,560
that aren't going to be 60, but it's all 200 feet.

1730
02:25:01,720 --> 02:25:05,720
So, it puts all poles. It's going to be contained around the venue.

1731
02:25:05,720 --> 02:25:10,760
would be more likely to be an LED-like street party light, something that's a low voltage

1732
02:25:10,760 --> 02:25:11,060
road.

1733
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:15,320
It's not going to see lights all over the country because of it.

1734
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:21,600
And then the water system, talking about it not being supportive, there was actually speaking

1735
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:22,780
to the water district.

1736
02:25:23,460 --> 02:25:27,820
They had some money and sent their way and they are implementing a loop system, water source

1737
02:25:27,820 --> 02:25:32,720
or water system to create more water pressure and more water to the area.

1738
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:39,540
So there is more than enough rural water to cover a 1-inch meter for the venue and 2-3

1739
02:25:39,540 --> 02:25:42,200
cords from here for the single family house.

1740
02:25:42,540 --> 02:25:43,060
That's been discussed.

1741
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:44,720
It's actually impacted as well.

1742
02:25:45,180 --> 02:25:46,600
It talks about all that.

1743
02:25:46,860 --> 02:25:51,520
And then, excuse me, the star is fire hydrants.

1744
02:25:51,660 --> 02:25:53,460
There actually is a fire hydrant.

1745
02:25:53,480 --> 02:25:59,100
3-4 is a mile away at, actually, not even 6, 6, 10 is a mile away at, by the road,

1746
02:25:59,100 --> 02:26:02,600
160, then it is a 16 inch main line of fire hydrant.

1747
02:26:02,920 --> 02:26:06,120
So it is plenty of water to fill in tanker.

1748
02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:07,540
They can pull as much water as they want,

1749
02:26:07,900 --> 02:26:11,160
that it is less than three-course of miles away

1750
02:26:12,100 --> 02:26:13,440
from the thing in itself.

1751
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:17,880
So they assured me that that's more than enough water

1752
02:26:17,880 --> 02:26:20,100
to take care of anything that we have there.

1753
02:26:20,180 --> 02:26:21,420
Whether it be a venue that seems to want

1754
02:26:21,420 --> 02:26:23,120
so we can add most.

1755
02:26:27,560 --> 02:26:34,660
I guess my point is, it is an urban district, an urban development district, and like the

1756
02:26:34,660 --> 02:26:38,650
kind of commissioner said it's going to get developed. At some point, we're just going to

1757
02:26:38,650 --> 02:26:45,790
if you have an edible or we can put two houses in a building in the market to take away from that state.

1758
02:26:51,850 --> 02:26:54,810
I just don't know what else to address on here as far as.

1759
02:26:55,630 --> 02:26:56,550
Yeah, questions.

1760
02:26:59,360 --> 02:27:12,540
I think the big one I have is back to the noise level that's been a major major concern of this board,

1761
02:27:12,540 --> 02:27:26,540
Especially in a location like this because it's a little different than the one we had earlier this evening that you look at the map and you see

1762
02:27:27,880 --> 02:27:37,580
You know there claim in 20 houses. Well, there's there's a few more than 20 houses around this fairly fairly substantially close

1763
02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:50,410
And like I said, that to me is the biggest, probably the biggest issue, and here again

1764
02:27:50,410 --> 02:27:53,410
I don't know, as long as

1765
02:27:57,630 --> 02:28:03,170
it's contained inside, it might work in this area, but we've

1766
02:28:03,170 --> 02:28:10,610
turned quite on, so it turned several down that have been this heavily residential in the

1767
02:28:10,610 --> 02:28:25,170
I love the plat that's been put together, but I'm not sure the, and my estimate just from that standpoint.

1768
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:32,710
Now, we can come up with some way to, and air again, I don't know how you do it.

1769
02:28:32,710 --> 02:28:40,730
that what we require, that it's all inside type,

1770
02:28:43,010 --> 02:28:45,590
that, you, you, that look, noise them travel

1771
02:28:45,590 --> 02:28:46,210
pads.

1772
02:28:46,390 --> 02:28:52,230
It's a probably lines, we haven't come up with a barrier that does that yet.

1773
02:28:54,470 --> 02:28:59,050
You've, like I said, you've got some berms showed on there, which greatly enhanced that,

1774
02:29:00,590 --> 02:29:08,170
For my standpoint, that's one of the major concerns that I have, I don't know about the rest of

1775
02:29:15,790 --> 02:29:16,090
the world.

1776
02:29:16,370 --> 02:29:18,530
Any other questions coming from the board?

1777
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:21,770
Is all the music going to the inside?

1778
02:29:24,590 --> 02:29:25,270
The then ceremony.

1779
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:26,430
Yes.

1780
02:29:26,750 --> 02:29:27,190
Which will

1781
02:29:31,290 --> 02:29:33,210
be the main notification letter when

1782
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:45,430
I'm on it?

1783
02:30:06,290 --> 02:30:17,410
18 notification letters one out. One of those was two pleasant township, and one of those was to the owner of the property. So it's 16.

1784
02:30:17,570 --> 02:30:18,810
I'm sorry, no other feedback.

1785
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:26,410
No other feedback, but we had the same notification as the rezone.

1786
02:30:30,730 --> 02:30:33,590
So in this was kind of last minute.

1787
02:30:34,390 --> 02:30:36,710
I mean, we mentioned it at the last meeting,

1788
02:30:40,930 --> 02:30:42,150
I mean, I mentioned that here tonight.

1789
02:30:42,310 --> 02:30:46,650
I mean, the neighbors didn't have a chance to hear what's presented at the Board of

1790
02:30:46,650 --> 02:30:50,530
Commission, which is why I've made an notification at the last meeting.

1791
02:30:50,930 --> 02:30:54,050
We had that this was coming up.

1792
02:30:55,830 --> 02:31:01,210
The reconsideration, but I also made a comment about that put into, but I haven't heard

1793
02:31:01,210 --> 02:31:07,750
for anybody specifically to the event venue.

1794
02:31:08,910 --> 02:31:10,550
But I think all that probably

1795
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:14,070
because most of the same concerns were probably

1796
02:31:14,070 --> 02:31:14,730
for the reason.

1797
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:15,890
That's just my opinion,

1798
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:20,760
but I can't say why I didn't hear

1799
02:31:28,990 --> 02:31:28,990
it.

1800
02:31:29,210 --> 02:31:30,030
Another question.

1801
02:31:37,610 --> 02:31:42,390
We had earlier on one time, less support as a question for you.

1802
02:31:45,290 --> 02:31:45,990
Anything else?

1803
02:31:48,430 --> 02:31:48,950
Thank you, sir.

1804
02:31:52,590 --> 02:31:53,730
Staff, anything bad?

1805
02:31:54,390 --> 02:32:02,090
I would just add again that you cannot already mention your concern, but for any of, for

1806
02:32:02,090 --> 02:32:09,190
either approval or denial, a nice statement of fact, to pass along to the Board of

1807
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:15,950
Counting Commission to support the approval or denial has always, has always good, good

1808
02:32:15,950 --> 02:32:24,330
both of them as always the staff report that I present that you guys have, you know, those

1809
02:32:24,330 --> 02:32:30,970
are kind of the factors laid out. I mean, that could be used as a guideline, but I

1810
02:32:30,970 --> 02:32:34,170
would call those, I think, one of the gentlemen during the Reson talked about the cold

1811
02:32:34,170 --> 02:32:34,730
rules.

1812
02:32:35,530 --> 02:32:42,970
And I know, someone had said, what the staff report that you go through pretty well is the

1813
02:32:42,970 --> 02:32:43,330
list.

1814
02:32:43,330 --> 02:32:50,570
I'm not reading any questions, but we are talking about everything from the staff report that I mentioned

1815
02:32:51,090 --> 02:32:53,910
comes from those questions.

1816
02:32:56,300 --> 02:32:56,520
Yeah.

1817
02:32:56,520 --> 02:33:00,920
Was there anything in particular from the board when they sent this back?

1818
02:33:02,020 --> 02:33:08,840
This was, this wasn't sent back, the next case was sent back, the one we put on after that.

1819
02:33:09,160 --> 02:33:14,820
So in that was because there was a plan presented at the time for the reason, but it was

1820
02:33:14,820 --> 02:33:18,200
And it is, after talking to Mr. Hurley,

1821
02:33:18,440 --> 02:33:23,920
contingent on the approval of, you know,

1822
02:33:24,020 --> 02:33:26,600
whether or not he buys the property contingent

1823
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:28,080
on the approval of this case.

1824
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:32,540
I'm not confusing.

1825
02:33:38,770 --> 02:33:42,670
And I will mention more more time, just to clarify,

1826
02:33:42,930 --> 02:33:45,590
I did not get into specifics about the roadway

1827
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:49,990
as far as whether or not Mr. Hurley paid for the entire

1828
02:33:49,990 --> 02:33:56,630
improvement of whether they would be for that or not, but it was specifically to

1829
02:33:57,730 --> 02:34:02,670
whether they'd be willing to, because they had discussed cost sharing or anything like that.

1830
02:34:04,130 --> 02:34:09,630
So, as far as improvements, and they were not willing to probably go forward with that.

1831
02:34:10,190 --> 02:34:14,590
But I can always revisit with them if that's a big deal.

1832
02:34:14,590 --> 02:34:20,790
And find out specifically if they have any issues with the maintenance, if the county

1833
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:26,790
work to require that of each have sealed or paved or whatever.

1834
02:34:35,660 --> 02:34:36,600
No other questions?

1835
02:34:36,900 --> 02:34:43,480
Chair of the Public Hearing Chair, will entertain a motion landlord discussion on C-25-06.

1836
02:34:43,480 --> 02:34:44,200
I think

1837
02:35:01,800 --> 02:35:07,160
that's much as to just how many of my lives I'm here for the meeting.

1838
02:35:07,740 --> 02:35:09,980
Everyone this came in front of everybody's first time.

1839
02:35:10,180 --> 02:35:13,640
But I'm not disagree with the common sense.

1840
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:17,840
At some point in time, it's really less than I'm just going to speak about.

1841
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:24,520
And when you look at it, you can actually really comprehensively plan a bit development.

1842
02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:29,240
In the future, with comprehensive plans, had it.

1843
02:35:29,320 --> 02:35:32,400
And when we were at the process, though, we did.

1844
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:35,200
We're pretty well wrapped up.

1845
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:42,900
I would say that probably sure I'll have some,

1846
02:35:42,900 --> 02:35:46,020
I'm bearing in the decision.

1847
02:35:47,440 --> 02:35:49,100
Better if I'm understanding you correctly,

1848
02:35:49,260 --> 02:35:51,560
there'll be this particular applicant.

1849
02:35:52,580 --> 02:35:55,280
If you can't obtain the commission, you can use permit.

1850
02:35:56,800 --> 02:36:00,020
This plaque that's in front of us on another motion

1851
02:36:00,020 --> 02:36:02,300
is contingent on obtaining.

1852
02:36:04,180 --> 02:36:11,020
So where it gets messy is obviously the Board of County Commission can override the planning

1853
02:36:11,020 --> 02:36:13,680
commissions by a majority vote.

1854
02:36:19,220 --> 02:36:25,620
So it gets a little dicey, but I mean in essence if you were to deny the conditional use,

1855
02:36:28,860 --> 02:36:33,660
Then we don't really have plans, and I mean, that's what I would have to prevent.

1856
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:41,660
So you would have to consider, so it's good to still consider them separately to some extent.

1857
02:36:43,400 --> 02:36:49,220
But the main reason they sent the next case back for reconsideration was the fact that we

1858
02:36:49,220 --> 02:36:54,700
now have plans that the board, the planning board did not consider at that time.

1859
02:36:54,700 --> 02:36:56,300
for the resum.

1860
02:36:59,060 --> 02:37:01,820
Well, but you guessed it, at the,

1861
02:37:04,130 --> 02:37:06,810
I mean, there's two trains of thought on this.

1862
02:37:07,010 --> 02:37:09,010
I guess, two of these stand

1863
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:16,060
standards, and they're concerned with the effect of it,

1864
02:37:16,140 --> 02:37:18,520
but then you put the flip side of that, too.

1865
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:21,700
There's, you know, where it's developed and based on that.

1866
02:37:22,540 --> 02:37:27,500
The reason that it goes to correct me at my mom,

1867
02:37:27,700 --> 02:37:32,620
but there's nothing saying that it couldn't be.

1868
02:37:32,620 --> 02:37:40,300
You're densely developed in what they're requesting with this particular proposal for actors.

1869
02:37:41,360 --> 02:37:41,560
Yes.

1870
02:37:41,800 --> 02:37:46,160
I mean, I understand that that will involve a different planet in a different process.

1871
02:37:47,700 --> 02:37:52,900
You know, I guess as we look at things from

1872
02:37:55,080 --> 02:37:56,660
a little higher,

1873
02:37:57,540 --> 02:38:01,660
but a broader perspective on this.

1874
02:38:04,900 --> 02:38:07,820
So there's some of those things that made Kevin, you can see the relation.

1875
02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:11,260
So, I don't know if I heard you correctly,

1876
02:38:11,620 --> 02:38:15,080
but if you're saying that if for whatever reason, then you did not.

1877
02:38:15,800 --> 02:38:19,320
We denied it in the lay-in state at some point.

1878
02:38:19,660 --> 02:38:21,460
That lay-in would be developed there would be more plots.

1879
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:25,080
Maybe I'm planning seven, eight houses versus?

1880
02:38:25,080 --> 02:38:31,800
But I'm saying that it's a real possibility, you know, as we made it forward,

1881
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:46,230
and you know, I don't know where that line is between what is detrimental and beneficial to neighboring landowners, nor do I don't think any of this do,

1882
02:38:50,310 --> 02:38:57,430
but just talking out loud, the ball scenario is, you know,

1883
02:38:57,430 --> 02:39:05,810
We turned one of these down and it wasn't too far from there and there was kind of button up against Flint Hills.

1884
02:39:06,170 --> 02:39:06,690
Remember that?

1885
02:39:08,330 --> 02:39:10,210
Same type of proposal.

1886
02:39:11,790 --> 02:39:12,630
That one.

1887
02:39:13,410 --> 02:39:13,890
I remember that.

1888
02:39:13,890 --> 02:39:16,290
Maybe a little bit denser population right there.

1889
02:39:16,410 --> 02:39:17,250
Yeah, it was.

1890
02:39:17,730 --> 02:39:19,310
The road was terrible.

1891
02:39:19,310 --> 02:39:20,230
Really bad.

1892
02:39:21,230 --> 02:39:23,950
I don't think they could get too cars through that one area.

1893
02:39:30,680 --> 02:39:37,800
And like I said, well, we've also got one of the same in the lake road.

1894
02:39:37,880 --> 02:39:38,780
That's not a system.

1895
02:39:41,300 --> 02:39:41,660
Yeah.

1896
02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:42,980
Yeah.

1897
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:47,360
Yeah.

1898
02:39:47,900 --> 02:39:48,500
But.

1899
02:39:51,150 --> 02:39:51,750
So.

1900
02:39:51,930 --> 02:39:58,090
I do think there has to be some consideration, but in the side.

1901
02:40:00,550 --> 02:40:01,670
that we've

1902
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:13,070
had requests over venues and development in places that probably we didn't make as much.

1903
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:19,360
That's unfortunately, we're not bound with all the miles of gravel, we're not.

1904
02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:22,260
Ten miles from now on, we'll see.

1905
02:40:23,640 --> 02:40:24,200
There's,

1906
02:40:27,340 --> 02:40:33,720
I think, there's a bigger picture in the overall scheme of things that we have to look at, not to dismiss.

1907
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:46,300
any of these people's thoughts or feelings at all, but to extend sometimes, you know, to their

1908
02:40:46,300 --> 02:40:53,500
detriment, things grow into them, I guess. And I don't know as though there is a perfect

1909
02:40:53,500 --> 02:40:58,920
answer to the perfect scenario, there's not a perfect answer to the scenario. Do it.

1910
02:41:02,180 --> 02:41:09,100
And I'm not that I'm not emotionally doing this kind of talking out loud through some things.

1911
02:41:11,960 --> 02:41:21,560
Because I can see that I can see both sides of the fence and I hope that these people fully understand that we don't dismiss it.

1912
02:41:30,140 --> 02:41:32,780
But there's two sides to every corner,

1913
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:40,540
kind of like the last one in you, you know,

1914
02:41:40,880 --> 02:41:54,260
they have the option to let it proceed to operating with no lab user laws versus some guidance

1915
02:41:54,260 --> 02:41:55,140
in guideline.

1916
02:41:57,020 --> 02:41:58,860
You know, this is a similar situation here.

1917
02:41:58,860 --> 02:42:04,200
We've got this in guideline and we're able to have some more control of population

1918
02:42:04,200 --> 02:42:06,240
and we can have that area.

1919
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:15,650
Yeah, I don't see this the same.

1920
02:42:16,050 --> 02:42:17,790
No, there's some difference.

1921
02:42:19,010 --> 02:42:31,890
The biggest struggle that I quite honestly, that property is

1922
02:42:32,830 --> 02:42:39,610
to write for development in my estimations to

1923
02:42:42,430 --> 02:42:48,310
waste 20 acres on an event center, type scenario.

1924
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:52,450
We could put in,

1925
02:42:55,030 --> 02:43:02,310
you could come off of that and put in 4 or 5 lots here again, the thing

1926
02:43:02,310 --> 02:43:13,750
the proximity, I mean, these guys earlier and I were talking miles away. And within a half

1927
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:22,330
mile, he's got thousands of people, hundreds of people, for an event then, you were as

1928
02:43:22,330 --> 02:43:25,370
if it's finally developed for a residential,

1929
02:43:31,900 --> 02:43:35,460
I've got no problem with that. But I'm struggling

1930
02:43:35,460 --> 02:43:41,360
and with the event in the proximity to basically real scale.

1931
02:43:44,340 --> 02:43:47,120
And I get where you're saying that there's also an argument

1932
02:43:47,120 --> 02:43:51,260
that this is no more in place in the company

1933
02:43:51,260 --> 02:43:53,240
than I was in the 1980s or 20 houses.

1934
02:43:55,180 --> 02:43:55,700
No,

1935
02:44:02,950 --> 02:44:04,770
not saying either why it's right or wrong

1936
02:44:04,770 --> 02:44:10,190
and just saying that there is the argument that these people

1937
02:44:10,190 --> 02:44:12,730
or somebody else may make it as well.

1938
02:44:24,990 --> 02:44:45,090
Like I said, I just wish that in technology will soon hopefully catch us to where we can build a sonic barrier around the music stays within 200 feet of the building and the neighbors don't even know it's there but you know we can do a lot of things

1939
02:44:45,090 --> 02:44:51,110
We haven't come up with that one yet. There you go. I'll have to invent that. You should just come up with that. Thank you.

1940
02:44:51,890 --> 02:44:54,270
I'm not gonna look at it, but...

1941
02:45:55,820 --> 02:46:01,980
This listed hours of operation. I saw the hours of operation, but I didn't say anything.

1942
02:46:02,240 --> 02:46:03,640
I don't think there was any for

1943
02:46:08,920 --> 02:46:12,040
for music or noise would be stopped at a certain time.

1944
02:46:12,440 --> 02:46:16,140
I didn't say that on the end you didn't know if I was just overlooking your character.

1945
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:23,280
I just listed it as one of my suggested conditions.

1946
02:46:25,650 --> 02:46:33,580
It would be no music outdoors, I pretend, but I mean noise is a tough to narrow down.

1947
02:46:38,780 --> 02:46:48,690
I do find that a little bit, we talk about the ETHJs and things like that, but then I do

1948
02:46:48,690 --> 02:46:56,070
not see a very specific instances where there's been venues that have been a prudervant

1949
02:46:56,070 --> 02:47:05,950
by the city that set in the county that the city is ETHJ, and cities have a completely different

1950
02:47:05,950 --> 02:47:06,690
view on this.

1951
02:47:06,690 --> 02:47:13,050
I mean, they say, well, we're not going to put any kind of guidelines on when you have

1952
02:47:13,050 --> 02:47:17,250
to shut the music off because that's inhibiting your ability to do business, and then

1953
02:47:17,250 --> 02:47:21,930
that gets thrown to us and you count me, right, because that's what you do, all right.

1954
02:47:23,510 --> 02:47:25,630
So, completely off the subject.

1955
02:47:25,850 --> 02:47:26,130
Yeah.

1956
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:31,850
And those I typically, you know, if I get notification of those, I just take them in front

1957
02:47:31,850 --> 02:47:38,410
board of county commission, basically with what information I could gather to give the best

1958
02:47:38,410 --> 02:47:46,030
recommendation to the city then, as far as whether the county felt like it would meet or

1959
02:47:46,030 --> 02:47:53,270
not meet or if the county had any issues with it. But yeah, it would also go to their boards,

1960
02:47:53,950 --> 02:47:59,850
the applications actually made. Specifically with Augusta and El Loretta, what I think you're

1961
02:47:59,850 --> 02:48:04,950
talking about right with our in a little agreement those applications actually go through

1962
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:09,890
those cities. So they actually make applications with them and they go through their boards.

1963
02:48:10,790 --> 02:48:15,810
So I get as much information. I do get notified by Augusta and them and then I take it to the

1964
02:48:15,810 --> 02:48:22,930
Board of County Commission. To at least present what I have them and then pass on whether

1965
02:48:22,930 --> 02:48:29,970
not the county is for against it, or if they see any concerns with it.

1966
02:48:44,020 --> 02:48:45,820
I'm going to get it to cut into my nap time.

1967
02:48:46,080 --> 02:48:46,360
I know.

1968
02:48:47,400 --> 02:48:50,140
Well, right, wrong or indifferent.

1969
02:48:50,860 --> 02:48:52,180
I'm going to get us off top of that, sir.

1970
02:48:52,260 --> 02:48:52,920
There you go.

1971
02:48:54,600 --> 02:48:57,780
So, Mr. and I may need a little help along the way.

1972
02:48:57,860 --> 02:48:58,120
Yep.

1973
02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:12,660
I'm going to make a motion to a pretty C2.506, we have the stipulations that Toby has

1974
02:49:12,660 --> 02:49:25,180
I'm sorry. He's got some on page nine. He's the one folder under item Fian, hours of operation.

1975
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:35,220
No, no music outdoors after 10 p.m., while parking will be on side. Do you need me to go through and read these tab here for me or what I'm saying?

1976
02:49:35,220 --> 02:49:40,820
I would. I would. I would. I would. So just if you have any changes with them, then I don't.

1977
02:49:40,820 --> 02:49:43,680
The only thing that would be is.

1978
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:50,930
Because the one that we talked earlier, and I know this is a different type situation, but.

1979
02:49:51,450 --> 02:49:57,610
It was no music after 10, not outdoors or otherwise. The music was shed at 10.

1980
02:50:01,570 --> 02:50:02,690
I'm sorry.

1981
02:50:03,430 --> 02:50:08,590
And I mean, so to answer the word out, the word to write on the shirt tail, there's

1982
02:50:08,590 --> 02:50:13,990
something of what everybody has said and I think what everybody is saying is some of these

1983
02:50:13,990 --> 02:50:18,970
people like these applicants have particularly that want to put me have been you in a more

1984
02:50:18,970 --> 02:50:25,710
highly densely populated area are going to have to come to the concessions of what they need

1985
02:50:25,710 --> 02:50:32,230
do to try and get along with some neighbors or no meld that here it is if you want to do it

1986
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:36,330
this is what we'll do if you can't comply with that focus on something

1987
02:50:43,140 --> 02:50:45,610
so to finish my motion

1988
02:50:48,340 --> 02:50:57,480
approval based on these stipulations with all the music to cease at 10pm indoors or outdoors

1989
02:50:57,480 --> 02:51:02,740
including any amplification of any anything

1990
02:51:07,830 --> 02:51:12,190
concerning the roadways and the

1991
02:51:12,190 --> 02:51:19,030
agreements between the township and them. I guess I feel like whatever they come

1992
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:22,210
up with between the two of them I'm fine.

1993
02:51:24,440 --> 02:51:26,640
There has been conversation which most

1994
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:30,060
generally there hasn't even been conversation.

1995
02:51:32,830 --> 02:51:34,530
The parties know each at least

1996
02:51:34,530 --> 02:51:35,690
know of each other.

1997
02:51:46,960 --> 02:51:49,600
Anything else to me that we've told me that we've

1998
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:55,300
been told to me? No, just if you had a, if you had a reason for approval.

1999
02:51:56,300 --> 02:51:57,880
Did I could pass on?

2000
02:52:01,130 --> 02:52:04,450
Be as, be as full and bright and say, because I said so.

2001
02:52:04,870 --> 02:52:09,290
Okay. Well, I mean, because I understand I, I feel like there's,

2002
02:52:11,010 --> 02:52:14,970
it's getting, there's a lot of legitimacy in fact, it is going to get

2003
02:52:17,810 --> 02:52:26,210
whether it's strong full houses or a mix of conditional use permit and residential,

2004
02:52:28,270 --> 02:52:30,650
it's kind of perfect.

2005
02:52:31,430 --> 02:52:39,410
And I don't personally, I don't know as though this operated accordingly in accordance with the guidelines we set for this anymore.

2006
02:52:40,190 --> 02:52:46,730
Congresson on a community of people, then somebody flattened it into 16 or 20 different

2007
02:52:46,730 --> 02:52:47,310
houses.

2008
02:52:47,630 --> 02:52:47,790
Perfect.

2009
02:52:48,170 --> 02:52:52,370
Start that and up to always on everybody, Evan, the back part of the UN for the July and

2010
02:52:52,370 --> 02:52:53,190
see what that is.

2011
02:52:56,710 --> 02:52:57,690
Thank you, sir.

2012
02:53:00,920 --> 02:53:01,660
Is there a second?

2013
02:53:02,120 --> 02:53:03,140
Andy on the motion.

2014
02:53:04,020 --> 02:53:05,000
Is there a second?

2015
02:53:07,570 --> 02:53:08,070
Oh, second.

2016
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:10,210
Chris, the on the second?

2017
02:53:11,630 --> 02:53:12,470
Further discussion,

2018
02:53:16,120 --> 02:53:18,700
putting procedures, current against favor.

2019
02:53:18,700 --> 02:53:26,860
favor against the yes motion failed three two

2020
02:53:30,120 --> 02:53:33,300
okay now we need the

2021
02:53:33,300 --> 02:53:38,240
three that voted against to give reasonings to Toby so that the county

2022
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:48,870
commissioners know that side of it I just don't believe it's a good location for

2023
02:53:48,870 --> 02:53:53,110
of that. It's under the proximity where it's

2024
02:53:57,400 --> 02:53:58,200
at. That was my reasoning.

2025
02:54:00,920 --> 02:54:01,920
David, anything to

2026
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:05,560
add? You get that too.

2027
02:54:09,030 --> 02:54:13,350
So at this time, so do we need a motion to deny or it's just the

2028
02:54:13,350 --> 02:54:17,830
failure of the motion. You get no. Well see, that's what I've always struggled with in these

2029
02:54:17,830 --> 02:54:24,730
cases. I've easily asked for a motion to deny. I would ask for another motion just to make

2030
02:54:24,730 --> 02:54:29,970
Okay, and don't you guys go and change your vote

2031
02:54:35,440 --> 02:54:38,360
I'm looking at you, Bryce, and then I'm going to start looking at the current.

2032
02:54:38,440 --> 02:54:39,920
I'm going to second permits.

2033
02:54:40,320 --> 02:54:40,860
I'll make a motion.

2034
02:54:41,560 --> 02:54:42,120
There you go.

2035
02:54:42,300 --> 02:54:44,020
Current on the motion to the second.

2036
02:54:45,140 --> 02:54:46,200
Bryce on the second.

2037
02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:50,100
Any further discussion.

2038
02:54:50,860 --> 02:54:55,000
The motion is to deny that I'm in favor of that.

2039
02:54:55,980 --> 02:54:56,500
I guess.

2040
02:54:58,700 --> 02:55:01,520
See if we made this as confusing as we possibly did.

2041
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:14,720
So, three to again, in favor of the motion, and you have the reasonings on the prior one,

2042
02:55:14,860 --> 02:55:16,240
which can this be?

2043
02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:21,320
Main reason, I'm not a good location for the event, then.

2044
02:55:22,500 --> 02:55:22,700
Okay.

2045
02:55:25,280 --> 02:55:31,720
The next question, then, I guess, would be, do the applicant, or you even consider one

2046
02:55:31,720 --> 02:55:33,720
us to consider the reason of this.

2047
02:55:34,640 --> 02:55:36,320
Just because it's

2048
02:55:38,680 --> 02:55:38,680
tonight.

2049
02:55:40,120 --> 02:55:40,140
No.

2050
02:55:40,780 --> 02:55:42,120
This is chair.

2051
02:55:42,320 --> 02:55:43,060
This is chair.

2052
02:55:43,220 --> 02:55:47,880
It takes a super majority from the county commissioners to approve it.

2053
02:55:49,540 --> 02:55:49,980
So.

2054
02:55:49,980 --> 02:55:50,180
So.

2055
02:55:55,630 --> 02:55:55,890
So.

2056
02:55:56,050 --> 02:55:58,630
I can go back through what again.

2057
02:55:58,870 --> 02:56:01,790
Paul and Daniel Dickens on track land 40 plus for my sake,

2058
02:56:01,990 --> 02:56:05,130
her property is located east of southwest county line on southwest.

2059
02:56:05,370 --> 02:56:06,110
One six history.

2060
02:56:07,650 --> 02:56:09,550
Properties currently is on DAG-40.

2061
02:56:09,830 --> 02:56:14,390
The owner wishes to reason the property to RE on 1077-2025.

2062
02:56:14,750 --> 02:56:17,530
The Plan Commission did hear the case recommending to the Board of

2063
02:56:17,530 --> 02:56:20,930
County Commissioners to now by stating that the main reasons for

2064
02:56:20,930 --> 02:56:24,610
denial was that no future plans for the property had been disclosed.

2065
02:56:25,050 --> 02:56:30,470
On 1028-25, the Board of County Commissioners did review the case again.

2066
02:56:30,770 --> 02:56:33,710
Before the case again was presented staff were in the property

2067
02:56:33,710 --> 02:56:38,030
was under contract for the purchase, for the event venue,

2068
02:56:40,170 --> 02:56:41,630
at that meeting they did hear

2069
02:56:41,630 --> 02:56:46,890
from Mr. Hurley, who also presented the idea of a smaller size plotting on the property.

2070
02:56:49,370 --> 02:56:56,470
The Board of County Commissioners did vote to remain the case back to the Planning Commissioners

2071
02:56:56,470 --> 02:57:03,830
commission, just to consider the new plans. So as spoken, contingent, contingent

2072
02:57:03,830 --> 02:57:10,570
property over and co-herly has submitted the site plan. The site plan did note that if

2073
02:57:10,570 --> 02:57:15,510
the event venue was approved, he would like to plot the property into four lots. One lot would

2074
02:57:18,210 --> 02:57:23,570
contain the event venue and two other lots would contain single-family buildings for him and his family.

2075
02:57:24,210 --> 02:57:36,050
The lot size, the sizes would range from 6.67 acres to 16.65 acres, and I do believe Mr. Hurley

2076
02:57:36,050 --> 02:57:43,310
didn't mention that he would consider three lots as well. The property, again, would be

2077
02:57:43,310 --> 02:57:47,730
service by World Water and the access by an interior roadway if that were to happen.

2078
02:57:49,770 --> 02:57:50,290
Again,

2079
02:57:50,290 --> 02:57:54,170
And it should be understood that the rezoning of the property is not contingent on the approval

2080
02:57:54,170 --> 02:58:00,050
of the conditional use for an event venue of a Mr. Hurley did make it clear that he did not

2081
02:58:00,050 --> 02:58:04,010
intend to purchase it if it was not approved by the Board of County Commissioners.

2082
02:58:07,700 --> 02:58:07,880
Again,

2083
02:58:07,940 --> 02:58:12,200
the properties located inside there have been growth area at the county of property surrounded

2084
02:58:12,200 --> 02:58:16,420
by Act 40 and RR zone properties. The property does fall within Rose Hill's actual

2085
02:58:17,700 --> 02:58:21,560
and there are similar size tracks in the area.

2086
02:58:23,780 --> 02:58:25,640
Just to recap, because of the property

2087
02:58:25,640 --> 02:58:29,200
does fall within Rose Hill's E.T.J. staff did reach out to the city.

2088
02:58:29,480 --> 02:58:32,040
They had no concerns at the time.

2089
02:58:33,240 --> 02:58:36,120
They feature plotting of the property were to occur

2090
02:58:36,860 --> 02:58:40,120
and that they would prefer any application be made through the county.

2091
02:58:41,880 --> 02:58:45,060
And then rehashing some of the original concerns.

2092
02:58:45,480 --> 02:58:46,400
There were many of them.

2093
02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:52,700
staff had received phone calls and letters in opposition to proposed changes to the zoning

2094
02:58:53,400 --> 02:58:59,260
and staff had generalized, but they were worried about construction disruption, just

2095
02:58:59,260 --> 02:59:05,360
transformational zoning, the shift in the character of the community, setback requirements

2096
02:59:05,360 --> 02:59:10,260
in the change of zoning would change, livestock, setbacks reducing the usable area of the

2097
02:59:10,260 --> 02:59:16,380
land, loss of operational flexibility for the expansion of agricultural operations, agricultural

2098
02:59:16,380 --> 02:59:21,480
cultural, plant risk, more traffic noise, more vehicles, more pets, light pollution, while

2099
02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:24,320
life displacement, property devaluation,

2100
02:59:26,730 --> 02:59:28,550
generalized most of them.

2101
02:59:29,250 --> 02:59:36,390
So yes, we are considering, I guess, Mr. Hurley's plans are the new or what plans that we

2102
02:59:36,390 --> 02:59:37,310
have to reconsider.

2103
02:59:39,350 --> 02:59:42,750
So, your recommendation right now for the event venue is the now,

2104
02:59:42,850 --> 02:59:47,090
but it is just a recommendation to the Board of Accounting Commission. They do have final decision

2105
02:59:47,090 --> 02:59:49,110
whether it to a perfect or not.

2106
02:59:50,480 --> 02:59:55,940
But is it an offline list to reason this or to change this or anything on this?

2107
02:59:56,260 --> 02:59:59,960
The original zoning was denied because...

2108
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:02,140
There's no other planning.