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Call the order of the planning and zoning board. The chair declares a quorum. We need approval

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of the agenda before us. There is one change to the agenda item E2 is going to be moved

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to after F6, as the case will have a bearing on the reconsideration of E2.

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So with that change, I need a motion to approve the agenda.

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Andy on the motion, and Kermit on the second.

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Those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Those opposed motion carried.

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Approval of the minutes of the November 4th, 2025 meeting minutes.

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Is there any additions and or corrections?

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If not, we need a motion to approve.

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Make a motion to approve a minute.

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I second it.

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Christie on the motion, Bryce on the second, further discussion.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Those opposed, motion carried.

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First item under old business, item E1, public caring to consider CU-2504, a request to operate

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an outdoor recreation radio events located at 2880 Northwest County Line Road,

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Benton, Kansas, and one thing staff, if you would read the, we've come up with a little bit of the,

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to hopefully keep our meetings moving along.

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Yeah, the audience participation, participation from the floor, or the audience on any matter may be limited at the

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the discretion of the presiding officer when, and the opinion of the presiding officer, such participation is repetitious,

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contained statements derogatory to the character, integrity, or actions of the planning commission, or any member without support of such allegations.

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When the course of business due to the number of matters to be considered, or the number of people requesting to be heard,

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will not reasonably permit further participation.

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A person speaking on a given item or case from the floor may speak only once, unless otherwise requested to do so by the planning commission members, or when such person receives permission from the presiding officer.

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Thank you, and to the case, please.

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Yes, Jose and Luis.

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Jose Luis and Eva Rivera own a track of land containing 37 plus or minus acres.

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The property is currently zoned Ag 80.

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The owners desire to operate rodeo events on their property.

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On September 2nd, 2025, the planning commission tabled the request so

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that staff could look further into some issues related to the dam breach area located on the property.

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On October 7th, the Planning Commission taped the request until December 2nd at the request of the owners.

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The operational plan indicates that a maximum of eight total events shall be allowed in a calendar year.

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Two of the eight events may be classified as a major event, which would allow for a maximum of 400 attendees.

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Any other event would allow for a maximum of 300 attendees.

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Individual events shall last no more than four days total, beginning on a Thursday and ending on a Sunday.

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And the owner shall maintain a calendar which would be available to the county upon request.

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Upon demonstration of additional parking, the owner would like to reserve the right to request additional occupancy per the zoning administrator.

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The plan indicates a schedule for live music, which is Thursday, 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. Friday through Sunday, 7 a.m. to midnight.

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The plan also notes the following, that the Butler County Sheriff's Office is to be notified at least 48 hours in advance of the any events.

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The applicant shall coordinate with township officials for their cost and or provision of material needed for any necessary road maintenance.

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The property shall be maintained in substantial compliance with the site plan submitted.

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Any substantial deviation from the site plan shall require approval from the zoning administrator.

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The conditional use shall become no one void upon the transfer of ownership.

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If the county zoning administrator finds that there is a violation of any of the conditions,

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So the zoning administrator may enforce all the remedies outlined in the Butler County zoning code.

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The property is zoned Ag 80.

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As mentioned, the intent and purpose of the zoning regulation, as they apply to AGAD, zoning classification, is to allow for minimal development in rural areas outside the urban growth area. It is more suitable in rural locations inside the UGA where adequate public roads and public services are available. It is not necessarily whether proposed use is consistent with the intent and purpose of the zoning regulations, but whether the proposed use is appropriate for the area in which it is located.

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The property is located outside the urban growth area of the county and is being used for ag purposes.

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The property is surrounded by ag, 80, and ag, 40 properties.

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There are some RR properties located just over a mile to the south on the border of the urban

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growth area boundary.

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There is one other conditional use for an event venue located approximately one half mile

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way on northwest Butler Road.

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The current home is serviced by Harvey County Rule Water District number six.

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There is a three-inch water main that runs on the east side of Northwest County Line Road.

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If the owner does request to extend water to the event area, a feasibility study would

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need to be conducted and a second meter would be required.

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Northwest County Line Road is a gravel roadway maintained by Murdock Township.

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The site plan does indicate the proposed parking area would be located to the west of the existing pavilion and the drive to this area would be located on Northwest County Line Road.

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The operational plan does suggest the owner is going to assist in a cost of maintenance on Northwest County Line Road after an event.

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Staff did reach out to the Murdoch Township Trustee.

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He was going to run the idea of a maintenance agreement by the board members, but wouldn't happen until December 8th.

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However, he did suggest that the entrance is a short distance from Northwest 30th Street and

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that ranchers and farmers in the area are always running large vehicles down the roadway.

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Electricity is provided by Boulder Road Electric.

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There is a restroom located at the rodeo area, which currently drains to a septic tank.

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If a proof of staff would need to ensure the tank meets codes.

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Staff does feel there will be some impact on surrounding property owners and

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as proposing consideration of the following conditions to limit those impact.

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Event hours could be taken into consideration 9 a.m. to 11 p.m.

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with no loud music or no loud noise or music after 10 p.m.

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Step should be taken to manage the flow of traffic to and from Northwest County line road.

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The entrance located off at Northwest 30th Street should not be utilized for the events.

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If Murdoch Township requires a maintenance agreement, the owner shall enter into such agreement.

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All lighting should be pointed in a downward direction to limit the impact on surrounding neighbors.

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Alcohol should only be served by those licensed deduces of.

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Comply with building code inspections on any structure constructed without building permit and or sewage permit.

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The sheriff office shall be notified at least 48 hours in advance of each event and all other state and local requirements related to the operation of a business shall be met.

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There is a FEMA map area located on the property sorry I'm long winded tonight I'm trying to give you a full picture.

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There is a FEMA mapped area located on the property that runs north and south along WALCAT

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A portion of the rodeo arena in some pins are located within the FEMA mapped area.

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The existing structures appear to be located mostly outside this area.

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Just a small portion of the rodeo area itself might be located in.

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There is a large dam breach inundation area located on the property.

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All of the arena structures and pins are located in this area.

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However, after further investigation, the map overlay used to determine the Jamboreach

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area are in our CS files which were provided sometime in 2021 to staff.

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These files have not been available to the general public despite several attempts to do so.

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For the more state studies and shape files probably should really be used to determine

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and drainage areas or watershed areas,

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but not all the dams have been studied

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in the state of Kansas.

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Staff at this time is unwilling

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to enforce any dam breach or watershed areas

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until further information is provided.

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Staff will note that many of the structures in this area

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which would allow for the continued flow of water,

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the owners should be aware that they may be located.

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In a high risk area, in the event there is a damage. Staff received a letter from neighboring property owner. The letter contained many signatures that did note the following concerns. There is extremely loud noise that includes music and announcements. It is an open air event. The increase in traffic, bright lights, no permanent restroom or hand-washing facilities, fire department and EMS support,

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or unlicensed alcohol is being served.

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The rodeo is not approved by the Kansas Rodeo Association.

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Staff has also received several letters in support of the events, which includes some of the close neighbors that do attend the events.

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They do not have an issue with the noise or traffic.

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The reveres are good neighbors and can attest to their good character in just a general overall support of outdoor activities.

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The Rivera's have been part of a nonprofit organization, and I'm going to butcher this name, called Duration, Mexican and Disharria AC for approximately 22 years.

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Generally, participants perform in competitions, so showcasing skills like roping, riding, and coordinated team maneuvers while celebrating Mexico's natural heritage.

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Chairman.

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questions for staff is given us a lot any other questions? Is the applicant or

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someone representative applicant?

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For everyone here tonight the same goes when

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laid your name and address each time that you're at the mic because it gets

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confusing when they're transcribing it later. Thank you ma'am. Kim Edgington, PSC

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consulting 2532 North Cardinal Drive, Wichita, Kansas.

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I am working with the Rivera's on this property and on this case, I do kind of a mediation

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role at times to work between staff and property owners to figure out ways that we can work

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through these kind of projects to come to the best resolution possible and help the community grow but make sure that all of the things that need to be done are taking care of a lot of the things that Toby's already mentioned tonight as far as having a very good comprehensive set of requirements and rules that will apply to this property to ensure that it

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operates in a manner that's good for the community, but that also allows the

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Rivera's to maximize the potential of their property to incorporate their

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heritage and something that they are passing along to their children and

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grandchildren and have been involved in for many, many years. So all of those

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conditions that Toby mentioned, we are certainly in agreement with, we feel like

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It does make sense to have some restrictions

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that will protect the neighbors.

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We certainly want to do that.

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We are glad that you were able to see all of the support

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from those neighbors who are closest and nearest

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to this property who are most affected,

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that they've been working well together.

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They have been good neighbors to them.

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They have also worked with the township in the past to provide materials for the road

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and are always willing to do so and more than happy to enter into any kind of agreement

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with the township to ensure that that maintenance is kept up.

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The number of events is, you know, it's not huge.

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It's eight events a year.

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So, it's certainly not something that's going to be going on on a weekly, even monthly

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basis.

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So, we'd ask to put some kind of limitations there as well for the overall number of

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events and the times that they can be operated, certainly understand that, you know, it's not

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something that needs to be going on all the time.

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So I will be glad to answer any questions that you might have and not serve, you know,

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where we want to, I expect I will come back.

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Yes.

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We will.

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Take track of questions as they come up.

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Right.

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And we will ask you those questions in and go further.

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To know that we will do our very best to address those and to, you know, hear out here the

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concerns and and and do what

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We can to assure that it will be taken care of. Questions from the Board at this moment. I have one.

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And so, in our packet, we – it was mentioned that they've been involved in this nonprofit

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association for 20 years.

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Where have these events been done previously?

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They're all over.

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In fact, the reason that they could not be here for the November meeting was because they

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were participating at an event in Mexico for a similar function.

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And I know mentioned was made about that, you know, this particular use not being part

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of the Kansas rodeo association, they're very different kinds of activities and events.

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The kind of the ceremonial aspect of these type of events is not something that is really

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included or covered in the Kansas rodeo association or your typical western rodeos.

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other questions.

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Thank you, ma'am. You'll have a chance to come back at them. Thank you.

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Anyone else here to speak on this case? Do

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we have a mic here? Yep, because we could hardly hear her back there.

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My name is John Roy and my address is 2480 northwest county line road.

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I'm a farmer, landowner in that area, one by 600 acres,

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part of it right next to Rivera's place, and then the others is about half a mile or

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so from the rodeo arena in the area. I've been asked by the community, most of the community

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that's out there to talk tonight, and present our story. And in your possession, you should

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have a document that was given to you, which I think you do that you kind of refer to

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to the kind of give some general outline of stuff and everything.

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So I'm not going to repile that ground because I shouldn't be able to read it.

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And the neighborhood helped me put that together, actually, and so I put some of it, which I

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appreciate it.

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The neighborhood, and then that document that I just held up, it says that

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we're respectfully requesting that both the rodeo and the venue events not be approved.

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And I'll give you a little more information. Well, most of it is in that document that I

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talked about, but we're going to hit on a couple of things, and Mr. Bruce Bodecker will hit

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on what I'm not hitting on. So we don't cover the same ground twice. And we also want

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to kind of state in the past. We've had to have been kind of the monitors and enforcement

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arm and people make the 911 calls 1130 at night, you know, trying to shut down the noise

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so we go to bed. And all of the other activities livestock running down the road and running

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over our farms, or consume our crops, our crops, and so we'd rather not get in a situation,

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you know, and if you approve certain things, you know, well then those have to be enforced,

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and that's being followed. And our history with this out there has been that they don't do what

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they say they were going to do. And I think that's kind of critical.

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I've got a document here.

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I want to hold up to it. I don't know if you've got that in your little pack or not, but

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this is actually was given to the Planning Commission in July of 2014. And it kind of

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outlines some things that I think are kind of important because everything that they said

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they were going to do in the document they didn't do. But for example, they said in this document

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right here that they were applying for a rodeo and a racetrack and basically and so

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the document states that there would be a rodeo racetrack and the rodeo and I'm just kind of paraphrased all this.

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The radio is the radio arena.

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How to be constructed, in my effect, there's even a diagram in the back of this document. And of course, what's there is not even close to what's here. I mean, not even close, not even recognizable. And they said they wanted to share their traditions. Mexico's a culture and a variable with us. And they've done that but not in a good way.

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They said that they wanted their activities down there to be fun and enjoyable to our community.

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and I could tell you that it's not fun, it's not enjoyable.

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Put yourself in RSU, you've got to realize

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this rodeo event is journey two to three days.

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The journey starts up right after lunch

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and runs through the afternoon, runs through the evening,

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runs through the up to midnight and the past midnight,

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journey to one or two.

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And it's amazing how somebody can play music that long,

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but they can, and it'll rally your windows a couple miles away, and it's also the announcing

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actually is worse, and it's just not acceptable. Also during that same meeting that this document

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that I held up right here by even Rivera, which is Jose's wife, and the people that

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I see the review deal, they said that, and it kind of, this was verbal in the charm

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of the time, it kind of asked some questions too and they agreed to them, and they said

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there would be no alcohol, no food service, no lights, no charge.

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They said it was only for family and friends, wouldn't be very big.

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No big loud speakers, no loud music or announcing that would disturb or annoy anybody in the surrounding

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properties or houses, and that's not the way it turned out, it's just not the way it turned

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out. And so the last six items were documented during the meeting. I talked about where

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no alcohol, no loud music, so forth, so on. That was documented by notes. And there also

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should have been ear notes in July of 2014 that all that was kind of agreed to.

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Again,

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to run, to curve up into one or two in the morning.

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And when we call, we get tired by listening to the music.

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And we just about wore a self out, making full calls.

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To the 9-1-1 dispatchers.

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And the Sheriff's Department does respond as soon

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as possible.

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A lot of times it takes 20 minutes or so,

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but it's a big county.

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And it's a night, so who knows what they have to come from.

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So, we're not complaining about their response time, but the time they get out here was a loud

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music is shut down, and so, and then after they leave, they crack it back up, and it just

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goes on, and it's a real problem.

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Put yourself in the shoes, if it was you that lived within a mile and a half radius of

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rodeo event and having a list of that because you know they talked about trying to have so many of

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us but some of those events are two or three days and so we're talking about a lot of time

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this venue they started out a couple of years ago it's open there too and of course the only

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we have to deal with there is just loud music and there's not as many cars of course

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Sure, a story with you that I think maybe kind of points it out, and it's a neighbor

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who is about a little over three quarters of a mile actually from the arena.

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And 1131 night, summertime, he had his window shut, air conditioner turned up, trying to

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go to the bed, get some rest, summertime had worked to do the next day.

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so he calls 911 because it really was so loud.

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He just couldn't take it anymore.

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And so he got the 911 operator

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and so he has our conditioner running,

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a windshield shut,

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but the 911 operator

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and he started talking

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to tell what his concern was.

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And the 911 operator says,

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Sir, you've got to turn your radio down

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or your television.

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I just can't hear you and he says that's what I'm calling about.

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And that's how loud the music is. These three quarters of mile away from that arena. And it goes on and on. So, also, I want to point out, it was mentioned that, you know, this is kind of more of a rural area than urban area. You know, there's not many people. And that really, I don't look, I don't look at it that way. Within a mile and a half, we should do a mile and a half radius from that arena.

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just a mile and a half radius. There are 20 some residents or homes and they've

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all been there those 20 long before the rodeo deal. Some of them mine since 1890

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but how's it built? Bruce Goldiger is going to speak, he's built before that and but but they were built enough in the 40s and 50s and 60s and like 70s so there are 20 some homes

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in that mile and a half radius. And also, in that same radius, that mile and a half radius

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from that arena, this is kind of a new business. There's five new homes, either under construction

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or will start construction soon. And maybe this year, five new homes. And also, within a mile

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and a half of that arena.

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Why, there's eight additional lots of them

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and planted, planted, the way they're gonna build new homes.

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So this is not exactly an agricultural area.

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In my fact, my farm, my wife Dan and I own,

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actually was my parent place originally,

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and they came there in 1936.

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My dad did.

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And, you know, when we move the machinery down the road, you know, we fight a lot of urban

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traffic.

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There's just a lot of mailboxes and a lot of people on those roads.

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And, you know, 99% of them are very courteous, but it's difficult down the farm in that area

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because it's just so populated with people.

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We're close to Wichita, we're right on the subject butter county line, and that's problematic

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too.

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because nobody in Butler County give them a hoot about the people in Central County very often.

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If people in Central County sometimes don't give a hoot about people in Butler,

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but we give a hoot about everybody, because we're still a community,

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even though our community is both in Butler and Central County.

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And I've been proud resident of Butler County a lot of years,

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and I'm proud of a Butler County.

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And I'm proud of my neighborhood, and I'm proud of my friends out there,

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and I'm proud of the new people that are moved in.

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we made room for them.

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But kind of where we're at is the situation really is, they've really

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poisoned the living environment, the livability, the quality of life, the value of our properties.

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They're not as strictly as they ought to be in that area because people, they know what

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goes on out there and this sustained ability of living in this community, it's tough.

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It really is.

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All through the summer and the late spring and the early fall, you know, when you kind

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of can enjoy maybe walking outside you don't be willing to stay and Friday night or Saturday

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they are Sunday, you know, it's just not, it's just, it's not

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variable. You just can't do it. And I hope you understand that.

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I did hear a comment from the lady who came up here first.

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I couldn't get her a name. I'm sorry if I couldn't hear back there.

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But I did hear one thing they talked about in her bills. She made a comment.

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They have to keep up the, the county line road, which is same as

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159th in safety county and they did put some material on it a few years ago and I had

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to call Murdoch Township and have them come up and remove it because it was full of spikes

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and iron and wire that got in the front of the railroad.

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They came up and loaded it up and hauled it off, but not before it poked a hole in one

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of my 10 ply tires on my three quarter-ton pick-up, and several other people.

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So, I think that tells a little bit of a story to it, and the same person made to come

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out about maximizing their property value, and I'm glad they are maximizing their property

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value.

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They're making money doing this, but they haven't maximized my experience of living out there,

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the livability, am I probably

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The values aren't good and gone down. So I just feel that we shouldn't. So one part to maximize

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their property. Why, at least 30 other residents were talking about 20 or 30 residents. Why

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we should have to take a hit so they can have fun and maximize their property. It just doesn't

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same fair debate. And so we're asking you not to approve this.

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Thank you. Any questions?

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Where do you live from there? From Mr. Gray from the from the from the rodeo. My house and

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I have three machine sheds. I have a very nice place. I spent a lot of money out there.

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I'm south. I'm south about from there from there property I'm about three-eighths-a-mile south yeah

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My driveway is three-eighths-a-mile long and I know that because I had to walk it to test the bus for a lot of years

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Going to school. There's a long ways up earth.

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Any other questions?

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Thanks, sir. Thank you

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Anyone else?

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My name is Bruce Bodecker.

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I live in 1945, Northwest, Butler Road, Benton, Kansas.

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I live in a house that was built in the 1860s, 1870s.

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I don't remember, been there a long time ago.

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Also known as Wildcat Stock Farm.

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I

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was on this board in a long, long time ago as a member of the college.

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picture. And there was confusion because zoning had just been started in Butler County

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and the administrator would find people that were breaking zoning laws, basements and

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houses and they would always say we didn't know a zone. So I said let's come up with a

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sign instead of just saying Butler County, let's say Butler County zoning regulations apply

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and they used it and it scattered around and I got a D in English at college so I

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I get an ego trip every summer every time I read one of those. I'm happy to

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report in the Butler County Sedgwick County line 159th Street going down the

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hill in the Butler County just a few feet to three car links. There's a sign

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Butler County's zoning regulations apply, so these folks need to read that at least once a week.

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Maybe several times a week as they go back and forth on that highway.

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They cannot say they are aware. And they didn't deny it so that's fine.

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I have a sister, 10 years, 11 years younger than I. She's spent a career

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teaching Spanish in high schools and junior colleges.

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She would make a trip to Spain once

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every five years. She'd make a trip to Mexico maybe every other year to make sure that

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her dialect and her speaking skills were up to date and she'd like to travel.

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I like

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The rodeo venue is great, it's fine, I appreciate it.

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I appreciate the culture that the lady talked about she wants to show her children and maybe

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our neighborhood.

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But not a culture of breaking rules, not a culture of abusing the neighborhood as John talked

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about.

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Let's see. There is a Kansas Rodeo Association, and the president is Mr. Leon Winfrey, and

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this man was contacted. And he gave us a list of overall guidelines that Rodeo needed

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to be sanctioned. This Rodeo, as long as it's been there, has not been sanctioned by the

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Kansas Rodeo Association.

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The things that they're wrong at least, it needs to be bonded

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been insurance. They do not have that. They just have an EMS crew and vehicle at-

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That the event, they do not do that. Needs a county permit. I don't know if that's zoning or maybe a permit for the radio. I don't know what that means. No alcohol. Bingo, bingo, bingo, they have alcohol. A food license. I have no idea if they have one. That would be the county livestock handling care and safety.

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I think it reported to

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you to

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pick it out on

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it, but what are the requirements you can

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as well as talk about the rodeo opinion itself, apparently they would not meet.

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According to Mr. Winfrey, counties that allow rodeo vans not following basic safety help

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and stewardship of the well-being of the community, place the county and the community at

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the grave risks and the county a great odd bill.

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I can imagine an animal picked up accident,

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somebody's hurt.

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Part of the animal is done.

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You guys might be liable because you

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didn't require them to be prepared to have

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these issues handled that are set by the Kansas

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Road and the Association.

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It seems to be something not only in my interest

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Just as the burnt noise and the immediate community patients, county in general could be

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reliable.

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It's up to your journey that's what's on here.

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Well, that music is a problem.

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I didn't allow three quarters of the way.

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I can hear it.

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Not every night, but sometimes.

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There is an issue of vehicles and consumption of alcohol.

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We can be 200 vehicles there, that's fine, the majority of the top three counties are Ford,

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Sinney, and Sedgwick.

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I always card in and out is,

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well, the lady mentioned a question of a second meter,

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maybe needed.

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A year ago or six months ago, we understood that there was already water down at the

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The venue, and I believe there's two houses,

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and we were told there's one meter.

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So

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I had water meters in Harvey County, I don't want a house one meter,

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I'm developing

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three 10 acre blocks, and what's in Harvey County, I've got permits for three more meters.

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I do require,

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what about that?

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We did not understand, for the past two, three years.

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They had illegal peters in position, and they didn't have enough.

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With that, he said, I'm going to bend you again if I need him.

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Is this a situation like noise control, alcohol control, food, horses, cattle, fences?

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They just really aren't going to have their community interest?

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Number one, and the only one who's found someone puts it out, the zoning regulations apply.

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Legal laws apply.

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It's not difficult to see that they're not intent on following the law.

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The laws, I'm sorry, are now just getting robbed.

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And I think that's probably the number one issue, that

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they have ignored the community,

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the county law, state law, the water, district law.

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Oh, they're going to do it in the future. Wonderful. That's fine.

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Maybe I'll go to a rodeo this time.

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of the love required.

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Finally, all that stuff.

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I don't want to be part of the community that has to police that following the rules as we have been in the past. That never works out new to the community, to the get to the county, that doesn't work out for any of those, because they just could just build more animosity in the community, or they shouldn't be trying to reduce that animosity and try to get along with it.

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So I would suggest, if you not pass the summary and change the history,

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I would suggest if you think that Missouri has only changed, I can understand that I've been on this board and made this decision.

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But please don't make us the people that have to regulate and enforce county laws and county rules.

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That's not our job.

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We didn't homestead there and live there for 130 years to become the administrators of county regulation.

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So you have to make that awesome decision.

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Thanks for your service.

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Thanks for your work.

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I understand how busy you must be to do that.

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Thank you very much.

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Questions.

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Thank you, sir.

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I don't want any questions.

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Anyone else?

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Anyone else?

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No.

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as came to come back up and answer some of the questions.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair, and maybe I can put that down.

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Just some things that we do want to address that,

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I'm just going to kind of go down the list of the notes that I made.

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There is not a water meter or water service to the arena area.

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It is on well, so there is no illegal, well, or no illegal meter there.

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There are bears have one home with one water meter.

438
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:30,110
And the septic tank is in a portable restroom unit.

439
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:43,170
You see them sometimes bring their brought into events where there's a trailer and then that septic tank is emptied out by the company.

440
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:49,610
comes in and she's out that subjecting so one thing we do want to talk about is

441
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:54,230
kind of the economic impact and and the previous speakers spoke to they're

442
00:42:54,230 --> 00:43:02,670
being cars from any county and dog city which is off there are a lot of folks

443
00:43:02,670 --> 00:43:12,390
that come to these events that bring in outside dollars to the area they're

444
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:22,050
going to restaurants. They're staying in hotels. So there is an economic impact and we did also look at the property tax

445
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:33,850
values of property surrounding this. And as you all are pretty well aware, the property tax values are rarely decreasing.

446
00:43:33,850 --> 00:43:41,810
So, if we weren't seeing a history, in fact, the Rivera's just received, as we all did,

447
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:55,110
the latest tax statement, and Butler County has apparently decided that property is a commercial property.

448
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:12,270
the tax statement for this year for the Rivera's increased 522% so the the county

449
00:44:12,270 --> 00:44:18,070
appraisers office has made a determination that this is a commercial property

450
00:44:18,810 --> 00:44:26,710
However, at this point, they are not allowed to utilize it as such, so there needs to be

451
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:27,050
something.

452
00:44:27,350 --> 00:44:34,710
We need to figure out some consistency there, whether those kind of assessments are a fair

453
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:43,110
assessment of what's happening on this property, because if they are not allowed to use this,

454
00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:47,690
and we'll go deal with that.

455
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:52,810
And they are very well aware of the zoning regulations

456
00:44:52,810 --> 00:44:56,210
and zoning requirements in 2014.

457
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:59,970
They were here in front of this board regarding...

458
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:29,660
And being able to operate their trucking business on this property, which was not approved. So they immediately made other arrangements. They moved that business. It's now in Sedgwick County. So Sedgwick County is reaping the benefits of those taxes and income for the trucking business. So they are aware of zoning requirements and restrictions and did abide by them.

459
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:39,620
So there was never a set of rules or conditions that was established for the

460
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:46,460
rodeo or outdoor entertainment venues. It was discussed in this board but it was

461
00:45:46,460 --> 00:45:53,980
not approved or modified. So with this action it provides Butler County with a

462
00:45:53,980 --> 00:46:05,820
legally enforceable set of defined conditions that way the neighbors are not, you know, it's

463
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:11,960
not on them to have to deal with it. It is, you know, something that the county and

464
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:19,780
in course can talk to Tony and also deal with the township.

465
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,700
So, you know, that's the great thing about conditional uses.

466
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,420
It does give you all a tool to set those conditions in place.

467
00:46:33,180 --> 00:46:39,160
As far as the, a lot of the claims that have been made,

468
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:46,960
We, you know, we aren't sure, you know, somewhere in between where, where we are, we certainly,

469
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,860
but there is still one of the mad neighbor.

470
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,760
You've got a lot of letters from people who attest that they are a very good neighbor,

471
00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:57,780
and that they've done good things for the community.

472
00:46:58,540 --> 00:47:06,960
They are encouraging and keeping alive traditions that are important to them,

473
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:17,040
here to the United States, and you don't want to just leave all of that behind with this.

474
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:26,780
Your consideration with getting the right rules and restrictions in place can keep this operating

475
00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:30,920
in a way that can bring in outside dollars.

476
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:42,860
it can help build the community, increase property values, continue the growth in our county.

477
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:48,920
As I mentioned, the city of Wichita just keeps growing inside the county.

478
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:55,280
A lot of people don't know when you left out the county and back and forth.

479
00:47:55,280 --> 00:48:03,240
So, we are kind of in a big, more regional, you know, what do we like it or not, importantly,

480
00:48:04,740 --> 00:48:13,680
that there is a larger community, and that this is an event that can be a benefit,

481
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:21,540
that can bring in and draw attention in a good way to values and traditions

482
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:27,660
questions that their family can carry on and pass along to their next generations, I

483
00:48:29,010 --> 00:48:32,070
would be glad to stand for any questions that you have.

484
00:48:34,030 --> 00:48:35,250
Questions from the board.

485
00:48:43,450 --> 00:48:43,990
Anything, guys?

486
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:45,010
I do not.

487
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:46,770
No.

488
00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:47,990
They would know.

489
00:48:49,210 --> 00:48:52,250
And they are open to any conditions that are really good in place.

490
00:48:52,250 --> 00:49:00,170
Yeah, we're certainly, you know, we're not going to stand up here and say, you know, we refuse.

491
00:49:00,430 --> 00:49:02,770
We definitely, they want to be good neighbors.

492
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:06,950
They want things to work well.

493
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:11,950
You know, they want to make anybody angry.

494
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:17,600
These events have to be multiple days.

495
00:49:18,660 --> 00:49:24,780
Because of the nature of how far people come, you know, especially with the main federation

496
00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:34,180
being in Mexico, it's typically the events typically wherever they are regionally, whether

497
00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:40,980
there are a lot of winter on in Texas as well, that in order to be able to host those events,

498
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,840
there has to be a commitment for a multi-day event.

499
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:56,640
multi-day meaning two days or three days. Three days. Three-four days. Typically we'll start on a Thursday evening, Thursday night so they'll run Friday Saturdays.

500
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:28,860
There's a lot of competition to get these events. They've invested a huge amount of money in the arena and the pavilions. And so those are the kind of, they have to be able to show that their facilities are sufficient, that there is, you know, the part, you know, room for parking, all of those things have to be available.

501
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:33,260
to be able to draw in the events.

502
00:50:37,530 --> 00:50:40,730
So it's a difference in between a major event, a minor event.

503
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:42,790
Besides the people.

504
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:43,250
The size.

505
00:50:43,690 --> 00:50:46,210
It's just the size, the number of attendees.

506
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:49,890
But they're still going through the same activities

507
00:50:49,890 --> 00:50:51,610
that they were in a minor event.

508
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:52,250
They're just minor.

509
00:50:52,770 --> 00:50:56,110
And a minor event is going to typically

510
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:00,130
be not ever as many people there at one time.

511
00:51:00,130 --> 00:51:14,070
It's, you know, the events cycle through different, you know, you'll have a group of the young kids there and then they're done and it moves on to the next event.

512
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:20,360
What percentage of these people that kind of stay

513
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:27,780
at the grounds versus at the hotels, ballpark?

514
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:42,580
very few actually stay on site. I mean, because there's, you know, we don't have hookup facilities, you know, it's not, we are not asking for this to be an RV park, you know, where people would come and

515
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:56,340
The majority of them are not staying on site

516
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,600
anymore.

517
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:13,820
The only thing I'm sitting here hearing is that it's a cultural event.

518
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:17,900
It's an event that's supposed to be joyful and a lot of fun.

519
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:25,820
But all the things that go along with that, like the noise, like the music, the alcohol,

520
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,980
the food, everything, are things that you want to add in to that.

521
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:37,720
So how would you possibly, I mean, I'm not sure there's a compromise to be had here.

522
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Well, and I think what Toby mentioned, that if alcohol is provided, if there's alcohol

523
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:52,200
It has to be provided by a license, you have to have a liquor license.

524
00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:57,920
But even beyond that, I understand you're going to want to have music.

525
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,520
You're going to want to have loud music and a party atmosphere.

526
00:53:02,740 --> 00:53:03,980
You literally are.

527
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,700
So I'm not understanding how there can be a compromise.

528
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:16,780
Well, I think with the hours, I mean, especially the hours of operation as to when the music can happen because you're absolutely right.

529
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:22,840
You want to create an atmosphere that's welcoming and exciting.

530
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,260
You know, at some place, the fun that you want to go.

531
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:33,940
So what we've really tried to, you know, help work with staff is to come to a good compromise.

532
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:39,220
Nobody's going to get everything they want out of it, you know, by any means whatsoever.

533
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:49,220
But to be good neighbors, but also still to be able to grow this activity, grow this sport.

534
00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:57,660
there's that there is have children that have garnered scholarships in competitions so

535
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:05,280
it's certainly you know not just a rowdy I get that part of it but you have 20

536
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,960
neighbors here saying you're not being good neighbors and you're not being good

537
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,860
stewards and that's I think you know I completely appreciate that and I think

538
00:54:14,860 --> 00:54:29,360
I think that's where this list of requirements where the county has control over the enforcement of them is critical to ensuring that those conditions are met.

539
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,480
other

540
00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:36,470
questions.

541
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:38,390
There's rights and you think yet?

542
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:45,350
Well the only other thing I think about is that they've had requirements laid upon

543
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:47,530
them before or conditions that they said.

544
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:49,070
Well those were never...

545
00:54:49,070 --> 00:54:49,870
They were never...

546
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:52,030
But they were never officially documented, right?

547
00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:52,890
No because they...

548
00:54:52,890 --> 00:54:57,050
It was never approved to be used in a commercial way.

549
00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:59,370
So there was never a codified...

550
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:34,590
So, so are they, have they been doing commercial events up there? They are not commercial because they are not, you know, they are charging, you know, it's not like an entrance fee or you pay, you know, they are simply events that their group that they belong to, they, that those members are invited to and extended family, other, you know, friends and places are

551
00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:42,170
involved in these activities. But they are not a commercial enterprise because they are

552
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:51,070
not selling food. They are not selling entry to the events.

553
00:55:55,780 --> 00:55:57,880
So with this being codified,

554
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:04,760
that's something that they could, that would trigger this to be a commercial enterprise

555
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:12,640
which would tend to give more validity to what the county has assessed the property as.

556
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:21,320
Because truly with the current assessment as a commercial use is inaccurate.

557
00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:26,820
It's a agricultural farmstead use of this type.

558
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:34,260
Anything else?

559
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:35,200
So,

560
00:56:37,950 --> 00:56:42,930
before they were doing it for friends and family, no commercial,

561
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,020
and that's where

562
00:56:46,020 --> 00:56:51,000
some of these complaints came, so now they want to make it commercial, they've brought

563
00:56:51,000 --> 00:57:01,480
it to us, we put stipulations on, if we decide no, we're not going to prove it, then I guess

564
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Yes, they go back and just having their friends and members continue to do.

565
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:06,880
Right.

566
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:11,640
I mean, and really it comes down to, you know, what county code enforcement decides,

567
00:57:12,140 --> 00:57:17,560
you know, is to what is allowed, whether it's a certain number of people.

568
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:25,560
I think, you know, maybe what triggered this is, you know, anything over a hundred people

569
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:42,580
was initially what the, you know, county code enforcement said that that was why we went ahead and pursued getting the official zoning regulation in place.

570
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:49,200
Anything else?

571
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:52,220
Staff, anything?

572
00:57:55,290 --> 00:58:02,130
Just that, I mean staff does recommend approval unless conditions can be placed on it.

573
00:58:02,130 --> 00:58:08,730
I mean, without the conditions, I don't believe it could be amenable to some of the surrounding

574
00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:09,090
neighbors.

575
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:10,290
That's just my opinion.

576
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:15,830
We would have to go out and do some, if approved, who would have to go out and look at some

577
00:58:15,830 --> 00:58:20,510
of the structures on there, which we've already talked about, and they're willing to do so.

578
00:58:21,590 --> 00:58:25,770
Because there was part of the rodeo event that looks like it may be without permit.

579
00:58:26,430 --> 00:58:31,670
So we would have to go back and retroactive and take a look at those structures and make

580
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:32,790
make sure they meet codes.

581
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:38,170
And based on the construction, we've had,

582
00:58:39,290 --> 00:58:42,370
we've had a contractor look based on the construction.

583
00:58:43,110 --> 00:58:46,430
There doesn't seem to be any doubt that they would pass

584
00:58:47,570 --> 00:58:50,610
building codes, so they, you know, all of the

585
00:58:51,550 --> 00:58:54,930
structural components of engineers that

586
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:57,770
are involved in police that they will.

587
00:58:59,510 --> 00:59:06,650
I did visit the site and they look pretty well built, but of course, you know, I'm not a building inspector, I would need to send them out there.

588
00:59:07,350 --> 00:59:07,930
Take a look.

589
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:11,590
And I'll take about six codes to it.

590
00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:13,230
Did you see the fencing?

591
00:59:14,570 --> 00:59:15,410
Fencing looked good.

592
00:59:16,270 --> 00:59:20,830
I mean, I didn't look real close at the fencing, but it could be something that we look at.

593
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:26,760
I'd like to make some comments.

594
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,260
I don't want to see them, there's 20 people out here against it.

595
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:39,040
My youngest son lives at the in-s Magic County on that road at the South End.

596
00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:43,870
The arena's a long ways from the houses.

597
00:59:44,490 --> 00:59:46,910
You don't hear them up there along the road.

598
00:59:47,290 --> 00:59:51,330
I don't know exactly where the other people live.

599
00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:56,850
They've done what they said they would.

600
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,970
but they don't let traffic off the highway go down there.

601
01:00:01,070 --> 01:00:30,930
I have a private property in front of their house to drive clear down to where the arena is. I'm not real sure. I mean, they've done this now for a long time and been doing it the way the county told them to do it back when. And I don't know exactly when they started the situation there. But if you can't hear them from up there, the houses along the road up there.

602
01:00:30,930 --> 01:00:35,190
when they're having the situation, the rodeo,

603
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:36,670
or whatever they're having down there.

604
01:00:38,670 --> 01:00:43,730
Maybe a little hard air and I've got a couple granddaughters.

605
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:45,330
She's got the garbage license.

606
01:00:45,590 --> 01:00:47,850
I'd be more worried about them up there on the road

607
01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:50,050
than what's going on down there.

608
01:00:50,490 --> 01:00:52,270
So I like it.

609
01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:53,670
They've been there for quite a while

610
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:56,810
and hasn't been, I don't think there's

611
01:00:56,810 --> 01:01:00,330
that many residents out there that's

612
01:01:00,330 --> 01:01:03,310
I guess my big want you to think.

613
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:04,830
That's my comments.

614
01:01:05,970 --> 01:01:06,630
Thank you.

615
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:09,350
Anything else you want to add?

616
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:12,390
If you have any questions with me,

617
01:01:12,610 --> 01:01:14,050
I can come back if necessary.

618
01:01:15,490 --> 01:01:16,170
Thank you, ma'am.

619
01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:17,570
You're fine very much.

620
01:01:20,330 --> 01:01:22,310
Any other questions or comments from the board?

621
01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:27,370
Do we allow midnight for any other events venues?

622
01:01:28,890 --> 01:01:31,270
For a wedding venue or anything like that, isn't it?

623
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:33,370
Most of them were little leavens.

624
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:33,510
Yeah.

625
01:01:33,850 --> 01:01:35,390
Most of them were little leavens.

626
01:01:35,550 --> 01:01:38,750
So, wouldn't that be applicable to an event

627
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:39,610
then you like this?

628
01:01:39,950 --> 01:01:46,490
Well, and then here, what Toby was it under year,

629
01:01:49,390 --> 01:01:51,590
the music was off at 10.

630
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:52,510
Yes.

631
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:54,730
The event was wrapped up by 11.

632
01:01:55,150 --> 01:02:01,250
Was one of the conditions that was in the conditions that he had.

633
01:02:01,250 --> 01:02:08,850
ahead. Yeah I had these are and granted remember the board should consider that these are

634
01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:13,970
recommendations to the board for conditions. I mean they can be amended, they can be

635
01:02:13,970 --> 01:02:20,410
changed, you can take away some, you could add some that it feels more important. I felt

636
01:02:20,410 --> 01:02:28,010
like the event hours, the hours of operation, I felt was key so I at least wanted to make

637
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:35,030
make something for consideration, but I did put event hours 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. with no loud

638
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:38,610
music or noise after 10 p.m.

639
01:02:41,980 --> 01:02:48,150
So some of that would be I guess you could apply if you

640
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:55,030
end the event at 10 o'clock, you cut your music off or whatever, people still need time

641
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:55,390
to lead.

642
01:02:57,610 --> 01:03:02,210
But again, you could, you could shorten them. I mean, you could, it's however,

643
01:03:04,490 --> 01:03:05,630
I personally

644
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:13,030
don't have knowledge of how long those events take or would actually, you know, how much

645
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:15,570
time they would need each day for those events.

646
01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:27,610
Anything else, particularly? Not the chair

647
01:03:27,610 --> 01:03:34,710
of close to public hearing. Chair will entertain a motion and or more discussion amongst the board members

648
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:35,430
and staff.

649
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,740
Staff would make a recommendation that when a motion is made to approve or deny

650
01:03:51,740 --> 01:03:59,680
that you may maybe make a statement of fact as to why you approve or deny so that I can

651
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,100
make a clear presentation to the Board of County Commission.

652
01:04:25,850 --> 01:04:33,690
So the other question is concerning these CEPs in the essence that they begin out of

653
01:04:33,690 --> 01:04:34,070
ordinance.

654
01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:37,450
They don't comply with any guidelines.

655
01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:43,110
What's the repercussions of that and who police is that who is going to police?

656
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:45,790
Well, that's the issue, right?

657
01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:53,470
So I mean, I don't mean specifically to this necessarily, but just in general in the county

658
01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:57,930
on all these conditional use permits that we want to go through and say, okay, you can't

659
01:04:57,930 --> 01:04:59,770
play music after 11, you can't position.

660
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:26,180
The conditions themselves is what those conditions, if those are broken, the ones that are set. And so the conditions that are recommended and approved by the board of county commission would actually go into the resolution.

661
01:05:26,700 --> 01:05:40,460
And as by those conditions, if those conditions are not met, then I can bring that back to the board of county commission and the planning commission and ask that the conditional use be revoked.

662
01:05:40,820 --> 01:05:42,240
And who releases this?

663
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:52,460
It would be our office, but I mean, it's not like it would be a complaint, if a complaint came in and we found out some way shape or form and we can confirm it.

664
01:05:53,780 --> 01:05:59,560
that's one way if we have been to have be driving around during one of these

665
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,220
events and we notice a violation obviously we could address it then as well

666
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:09,320
but yeah I mean we're not out driving the county looking at all the

667
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:16,880
conditional uses to see if every condition is being applied well and that's the

668
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:16,980
the

669
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:27,740
biggest issue that we see anything zoning or otherwise, and one thing that we've presented

670
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:37,180
to legislative people with is a code enforcement court. There is no, and if it goes that far

671
01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:45,360
as to go to court, it's so low on the totem pole that it might take two or three years before

672
01:06:47,950 --> 01:06:55,090
So this, this here, the revoking though wouldn't necessarily have to go to court, but yes,

673
01:06:58,170 --> 01:07:02,750
if it does hit court at some point, yes, that could take a while.

674
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:17,610
So in other words, they have to be able to prove any complaints?

675
01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:22,790
Yeah, I mean, we would have to be able to prove that they're in violation.

676
01:07:23,530 --> 01:07:27,050
My office, the county would have to prove that they're in violation.

677
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:34,070
So, you know, if I can specifically see that they're running past the hours of operation,

678
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:40,790
I mean, it's a simple take some pictures and audio and present it to the board.

679
01:07:41,350 --> 01:07:42,190
I mean...

680
01:07:50,610 --> 01:07:52,770
Yes, how much amplification was behind?

681
01:07:54,910 --> 01:08:00,210
We can open it back up if the board member wants to.

682
01:08:11,170 --> 01:08:16,450
Well, and that's, you can take somebody, you can take you and I talk and in the right

683
01:08:16,450 --> 01:08:18,490
wind, you can hear it go the wrong way.

684
01:08:21,090 --> 01:08:23,590
Well, and that's the aspect of it.

685
01:08:29,650 --> 01:08:34,910
I guess I've always struggled with any event venue type.

686
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:41,890
and when we're talking loud music and this and that it's always bothered me

687
01:08:41,890 --> 01:08:46,910
extremely why the music has to be so loud to start with and nothing but that

688
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:51,550
I hate worse than going to a damn event and I'll be able to talk to Andy that's

689
01:08:51,550 --> 01:08:59,550
two foot from me because the music's so loud that's a personal thing so it's

690
01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:07,190
always been kind of one of those things in the back of my mind. Why does it get people

691
01:09:07,190 --> 01:09:18,580
blood going or what? I haven't figured that out. It doesn't mind, but that's just kind

692
01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:25,380
of one of those things that I threw out. Again, we're talking on this case, but a lot of

693
01:09:25,380 --> 01:09:31,540
event venues that's the it's either the lighting or the noise it's usually

694
01:09:31,540 --> 01:09:44,850
both yeah someone falls in and so I've never I've never that's been a concept

695
01:09:44,850 --> 01:09:51,270
that I guess I'm of course I was told I was hard of hearing and I will go with

696
01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:58,130
that, but you don't drive open station tractors for 27 years, and I'll be hard at hearing.

697
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:02,860
But in the same aspect,

698
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:17,620
and here again, it's one of those, for 20 some odd years I've run the

699
01:10:17,620 --> 01:10:27,920
sound system at the high school, the circle high school as a volunteer. And most generally

700
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:33,840
I get comments on levels that I've said this last year I got told that it wasn't loud

701
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:39,480
enough and I'm like good God I couldn't get it you know I don't know so I don't know

702
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:45,040
whether generations are changing at mindset or what but but

703
01:10:48,490 --> 01:10:51,230
I do think and I

704
01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:57,430
I do think

705
01:10:57,430 --> 01:11:06,540
that it gives us a lot more here again I can't do a motion and I'm just talking kind of

706
01:11:06,540 --> 01:11:13,700
dig talk but that was the struggle we had in 14 and I don't know how many of you were

707
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:22,880
on the board at that time but basically there was nothing we could do to really stop

708
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:29,600
what they were doing as long as they weren't charging people to come in and we was wanting

709
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:37,100
to try and we never could come upon an agreement at that time and so here 10, 11 years later

710
01:11:37,100 --> 01:11:47,640
it's come back before us and I'm saying you're wondering can we figure out get some conditions

711
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:58,480
put on it that maybe we can control some of it. So in other words if we do nothing they

712
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:06,020
can continue kind of as is but if we can put enough teeth in a conditional use to make

713
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:14,560
and better neighbors by by law so to speak we can that's the way you know in here again we try

714
01:12:15,220 --> 01:12:20,960
10 live years goes apparently that didn't work did we try some you know I don't know

715
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:28,720
what is the other number of people that if we do nothing is allowed they can is it a hundred is that

716
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:34,280
what you were saying that I'm not aware of that is not I don't know is that there isn't no there is

717
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:44,020
there's not a limit. If you're not charging for it, it's not open to public. I don't think

718
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:44,440
there is.

719
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:56,840
Then I assume the screen that TIA has up is your list of recommendations or

720
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:02,860
this is there. That's their operational plan they submitted. So a lot of what I read to you

721
01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:08,360
friend as far as their operational plan that's that's what that is and that's

722
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:14,560
where I pulled the midnight from but then you had but then you had added some in

723
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:22,400
the discussion yes I recommended some I can't possibly come up with every

724
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:29,420
possible you know in my recommendations and I didn't want to make the list so

725
01:13:29,420 --> 01:13:38,840
long that I just inundated you all with, I mean I definitely think you can consider other

726
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:44,800
things like I did put in their alcohol to be served by a license but you can consider

727
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:51,720
no alcohol, you can consider that further, that recommendation further and amend that

728
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,360
change at the same same with the hours of operation.

729
01:13:57,340 --> 01:14:00,620
I mean pretty much all of them. I mean I think

730
01:14:00,620 --> 01:14:03,380
bonded and insured to be a requirement.

731
01:14:06,580 --> 01:14:10,080
But you're reasoning there. Just to make sure they're

732
01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:20,400
they're properly insured in case of an accident. Well, I guess that doesn't have anything to do with

733
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:22,760
But

734
01:14:32,420 --> 01:14:40,130
I mean, I threw in a general condition that they, let me find a couple

735
01:14:47,260 --> 01:14:47,700
more papers

736
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:48,560
out of order now,

737
01:14:56,430 --> 01:14:58,210
basically, that they had to meet all.

738
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:10,690
All of their state and local requirements related to the operation of the business, shall be met, because

739
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:34,040
we don't require any other than you've devised to be one of them. I easily, I easily throw into the general statement like that to make sure that if we're aware, they're not operating the business with all licenses, any, and

740
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,440
just back to your, you know, you were talking about conditional uses. I'm happy.

741
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:49,400
I'm happy to read Article 22, the amendment procedures and

742
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,360
factors to be considered in the application for

743
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,960
conditional use if you'd like to read.

744
01:15:57,210 --> 01:15:58,510
I don't, anyway.

745
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:59,030
You

746
01:16:13,940 --> 01:16:14,800
can turn that up.

747
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:16,740
Turn,

748
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:39,370
but these two are writing stuff.

749
01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:42,750
So the wheels are turning up here.

750
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:45,390
Well, I'm just trying to figure out a way to protect

751
01:17:45,390 --> 01:17:49,110
the neighborhood, to be able to put restrictions on it.

752
01:17:50,230 --> 01:17:53,570
Tour, those that aren't happy with what's currently going on

753
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:57,950
protected so they can sleep at night so they feel safe from the roads so they

754
01:17:57,950 --> 01:18:03,230
you know aren't worried about people in front of you not in property but at the same

755
01:18:03,230 --> 01:18:09,630
time allow them to have the the atmosphere that that makes it a rodeo

756
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,100
because if we

757
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:18,960
do nothing what's going on now is going to continue right is general

758
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:24,780
Notification within 1,000 B. How much of the objection is within that 1,000 fee?

759
01:18:25,660 --> 01:18:29,960
I did not go back and do a analysis, so I'm not sure.

760
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:33,600
Because it seems like there are several letters in here.

761
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:35,760
I think there were some from it.

762
01:18:35,900 --> 01:18:41,860
Directly adjacent landowners that are not against correct.

763
01:18:43,940 --> 01:18:46,460
So I guess that's why I was curious.

764
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:09,300
I don't know about how many, yeah, there's a couple across the road, I

765
01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:15,680
didn't sit down

766
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:16,920
and point it in.

767
01:19:21,340 --> 01:19:24,320
I just some of the whole list needs to be included.

768
01:19:24,780 --> 01:19:26,880
Well, start the motion and we'll help you.

769
01:19:26,940 --> 01:19:33,500
That's the best problem is because we can ask Toby to,

770
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,220
if what we've done sometimes in the past,

771
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,540
if you want to, and then Toby can read the conditions

772
01:19:40,540 --> 01:19:44,620
that he read kind of in his presentation.

773
01:19:45,140 --> 01:19:45,940
And I like, I like.

774
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:51,420
So we can kind of go through and he can read one up

775
01:19:51,420 --> 01:19:58,840
the A&A, change it if that is something we want to try to, we've done that before, also

776
01:20:00,270 --> 01:20:08,810
The major conditional use. Because, and I'm looking at myself as a developer county landowner,

777
01:20:09,010 --> 01:20:15,670
five, something going on next door that is happening legally, I would rather have conditions

778
01:20:15,670 --> 01:20:22,650
put in place to make it happen in a way that makes it a better neighborhood for everybody.

779
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,920
And so I would, I guess I would want somebody to step in and say, okay, let's put this in place,

780
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:39,600
to curb what's happening to make it legal and make repercussions available if it doesn't adhere to those policies.

781
01:20:40,540 --> 01:20:45,540
I may not be the best one at putting that whole motion together, and maybe I'm thinking wrong.

782
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:56,640
I don't know, but if we do nothing, everybody's going to be upset, because they're not going to be able to use the land as the facilities they want to,

783
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:04,840
So it's maximum potential but then it's going to be used in a way that's still going to upset the rest of the neighborhood.

784
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:06,240
The community.

785
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:16,320
Well, and I think if you go back, I wouldn't say the rest of the community but some community.

786
01:21:16,900 --> 01:21:17,640
Everybody involved.

787
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:18,140
Yeah.

788
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,220
Kind of a, how do we keep making it good for everybody?

789
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:32,780
Yeah, so I will put forward a motion to approve under the conditions that Toby listed,

790
01:21:33,740 --> 01:21:40,900
including music and announcements done at 10 unless it's announcement made to get everybody's

791
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:45,080
butt off the property by 11 you know that would be the only announcement I would want after that.

792
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:51,160
But if alcohol is to be served, it has to be sold by a license distributor,

793
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,500
that restaurant

794
01:21:55,500 --> 01:22:04,840
facilities are maintained properly, whatever would meet Code Toby, and then the other list

795
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:10,900
of items that you brought forth with those that I mentioned being probably the most important.

796
01:22:16,780 --> 01:22:17,860
Is there a second?

797
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:20,540
Do you want to read through your list first?

798
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:21,820
Yes, we can do that.

799
01:22:22,940 --> 01:22:30,600
Number one was event hours 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. No loud music, noise or music after 10 p.m.

800
01:22:31,020 --> 01:22:32,620
Did you say loud or no music?

801
01:22:33,180 --> 01:22:37,020
I said no loud noise or music after 10 p.m.

802
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,380
No music.

803
01:22:38,580 --> 01:22:38,620
Okay.

804
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:40,260
Sorry.

805
01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:47,840
Because you could have an ounce and you could have all kinds of...

806
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:52,600
Steps should be taken to manage the flow of traffic to and from North West County line road.

807
01:22:53,320 --> 01:23:02,580
The process behind that was any, any event venue that we have, where you have a large amount of vehicles that maybe leave in the property at the same time.

808
01:23:03,860 --> 01:23:07,540
Could take, you know, lots of things could go wrong if we're not managing the flow.

809
01:23:09,500 --> 01:23:14,640
Number three, the entrance located off at Northwest 30th Street should not be utilized for the events.

810
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,520
They have indicated that they are not using that one now.

811
01:23:23,260 --> 01:23:29,620
If Murdoch Township requires a maintenance agreement, the owners shall enter into such

812
01:23:29,620 --> 01:23:29,980
agreement.

813
01:23:32,420 --> 01:23:36,040
I put that in there because they were going to take that to the board so I don't have

814
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,680
an answer as to whether they would like one or not.

815
01:23:42,180 --> 01:23:56,840
They did make mention about other large farm equipment that goes up and down the road, so they don't require it for those, so he wanted to take it to his board.

816
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:07,300
or one thing that I, again, were kind of working all together, but it made something in there

817
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:16,360
that the traffic flow that you were talking is all of it's to go to the northwest, to the

818
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:24,220
north and northwest 30th, have signage or something that all traffic flow is to, in that way,

819
01:24:24,220 --> 01:24:32,700
it keeps it out of the quote community neighborhood somewhat. I wouldn't know why anyone that

820
01:24:32,700 --> 01:24:38,400
wasn't a local person would want to go an extra mile and a half two miles to grab a

821
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:47,820
road but you never know. And then the other part would be in the road agreement that it's

822
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:55,870
to the entrance because I've seen townships at times come in and say well they're on this

823
01:24:55,870 --> 01:24:59,730
so mild and we've had to get a little

824
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,680
More particular on saying it's to the entrance of the event.

825
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:16,210
Sometimes we have, I've seen that crop up in the past. Continue then, Tony.

826
01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:24,890
All lighting shall be pointed in a downward direction to limit the impact of the on surrounding neighbors.

827
01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:35,650
There are some large lights out there. I did view a picture from one of the neighbors that did show the lights on at night.

828
01:25:35,650 --> 01:25:41,920
I mean, it's hard to tell from a picture, but they might not necessarily be pointed

829
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:47,080
in a downward direction, but I would have to inspect further to find out, but that was

830
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:47,840
one of the requirements.

831
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:48,560
Okay.

832
01:25:51,820 --> 01:25:54,860
Alcohol should only be served by those licensees to do so,

833
01:25:58,340 --> 01:26:00,340
comply with building code inspections

834
01:26:00,340 --> 01:26:05,640
on any structure constructed without a building permit, as well as a sewage permit.

835
01:26:06,420 --> 01:26:14,120
Now they actually can use just a tank if they wanted to for that, but we would need

836
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,500
to at least expect it to make sure that tanks approved.

837
01:26:18,060 --> 01:26:25,360
We might require an alarm be put on it, so if it reads its max without any type of

838
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:26,780
lot or line or anything,

839
01:26:29,180 --> 01:26:33,260
Sheriff's Office shall be notified at least 48 hours in advance

840
01:26:33,260 --> 01:26:34,000
of each event.

841
01:26:38,030 --> 01:26:41,990
All of their state and local requirements related to the operation of business

842
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:42,690
shall be met.

843
01:26:49,730 --> 01:26:51,490
Read the last one again would you please.

844
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:56,890
All of their state and local requirements related to the operation of business shall be met

845
01:26:57,650 --> 01:26:59,610
and you can change that to whatever you want.

846
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,980
I don't know. I like that last one. I just

847
01:27:06,980 --> 01:27:07,740
feel like it's too.

848
01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:20,650
But feel free to know this is your motion. No, I'm looking for just talking

849
01:27:20,650 --> 01:27:31,130
out loud. Additional. Well, I think if you did, you'd have to specify business. I mean,

850
01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:36,970
business, this is not a true event type center thing.

851
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:42,100
And with the other conditions that

852
01:27:42,100 --> 01:27:52,320
we have listed through so far we've covered about everything that the number of events

853
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:59,980
I think limited to eight. Yeah, so I mean you could put a condition that it just needs

854
01:27:59,980 --> 01:28:16,720
to meet the operational plan, the recommendation I don't believe that I should be able to make

855
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:27,360
the decision to automatically let more attendees or if there's something substantially different

856
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,180
with a side plan or anything else.

857
01:28:29,260 --> 01:28:31,260
Honestly, I think you'd be stepping outside

858
01:28:31,260 --> 01:28:35,580
the submit, you know, what you're proving here tonight.

859
01:28:36,380 --> 01:28:38,520
If there's a substantial different

860
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,740
and there's future development that occurs

861
01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:43,680
than you might consider that they come back in

862
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:44,540
and amend the CP.

863
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:55,540
Good for your motion, Bryce.

864
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:56,440
I believe so.

865
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:57,720
Do we have a second?

866
01:28:58,280 --> 01:28:58,660
A second.

867
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:00,100
Andy on the second.

868
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,640
Any further discussion by the board?

869
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:07,570
Staff, anything else?

870
01:29:20,530 --> 01:29:29,710
And I would guess that if you're putting this in resolutions form for the county commissioners

871
01:29:29,710 --> 01:29:37,590
that you will provide the applicant and then it will be posted on the website also for

872
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:42,210
and the community people to see the resolution will be posted prior to this.

873
01:29:43,410 --> 01:29:45,690
Did you get enough description of why?

874
01:29:46,570 --> 01:29:47,110
To be taken.

875
01:29:47,290 --> 01:29:48,530
I thought you were around it?

876
01:29:49,050 --> 01:29:49,290
Yeah.

877
01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:50,570
I thought you did it next week.

878
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:51,670
Well, being part of it.

879
01:29:51,850 --> 01:29:51,950
Okay.

880
01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:59,790
Well, staff, take away on that for why you're approving is that you felt like it would continue.

881
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:04,980
And this was the best way to manage it. It was by conditions. Do

882
01:30:07,060 --> 01:30:09,100
you agree with that? Yeah. Okay.

883
01:30:34,660 --> 01:30:41,580
in hour and a half into the evening. We would ask that you at least go down one level before you

884
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:48,840
start visiting. We know the elevator doesn't run real fast, but so we can continue with our agenda.

885
01:30:49,060 --> 01:30:56,720
We'd appreciate it greatly if you hold conversations until you get down at least one level if not two or three.

886
01:30:58,890 --> 01:31:14,970
Next item, public hearing to consider, PL 2551, a request for a homestead lot split, located at 6257 Northwest 130th Street, burnt Kansas staff.

887
01:31:15,530 --> 01:31:28,810
Property owner Cohen Land LLC owns a track of land containing 80 plus or minus acres, located west of Northwest Shumway, on Northwest 130th Street, property is owned Ag 80, property owner desires to split out.

888
01:31:28,810 --> 01:31:31,270
about 10 plus and minus acres surrounding existing home.

889
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:38,750
The owner will place 70 plus and minus acres which would be the remainder of the property into an agricultural preservation overlay.

890
01:31:39,390 --> 01:31:42,190
Property is located outside the urban growth area of the county.

891
01:31:42,330 --> 01:31:44,570
It is surrounded by ag-80 properties.

892
01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:50,750
Access to the current home is located on northwest 130th Street, which is a gravel roadway maintained by Clifford Township.

893
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:55,390
The home is serviced by a water well and a septic system for wastewater purposes.

894
01:31:56,030 --> 01:31:58,010
Electricity is provided by Belt and Rule Electric.

895
01:31:58,010 --> 01:32:02,610
there are no FEMA map floodplain areas located on the property and staff has

896
01:32:02,610 --> 01:32:07,370
not received any concerns from neighboring property owners chairman questions for

897
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:11,490
staff is the applicant or somebody representing I

898
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:15,950
thought they were both

899
01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:19,530
getting it again there for a second well they both did better than me I've

900
01:32:19,530 --> 01:32:21,210
So long, I'm not sure I can do that.

901
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:29,510
I know.

902
01:32:36,650 --> 01:32:37,630
Thank you, Roger.

903
01:32:38,290 --> 01:32:40,210
Anyone else there to speak to this case?

904
01:32:41,490 --> 01:32:43,610
Anyone else there to speak to this case?

905
01:32:43,610 --> 01:32:45,630
If not, Chair, close the public hearing.

906
01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:49,770
Chair, we'll entertain a motion and or discussion on P.L.

907
01:32:49,770 --> 01:32:55,550
So, 25-51, and

908
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:06,100
on the motion, Christie on the second, further discussion, voting procedure

909
01:33:06,100 --> 01:33:06,540
permit.

910
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:14,660
The motion carried by zero, again, county commissioners, December 23rd.

911
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:24,060
Next item up is public caring to consider PL 25-50, a lot for a lot split, located at 51

912
01:33:24,060 --> 01:33:29,120
On 98 North East Highway 177, federated Kansas staff.

913
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:36,220
Mark Newman owns a track of land containing 48 plus or minus acres located at North East Highway 177 in Northeast 50th Street.

914
01:33:36,740 --> 01:33:43,380
Property is on rural residential property on our desires to split out 29 plus or minus acres located on the east side of the parcel.

915
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,260
Property owner desires to sell off this portion of the property.

916
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,260
Property is located outside the urban growth area of the county.

917
01:33:50,260 --> 01:33:54,300
property is surrounded by Ag-80, Ag-40, and R-R's own properties.

918
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:59,100
It is located approximately a mile and a half north-east of El Dorado's growth area.

919
01:34:00,020 --> 01:34:05,220
Access to the property will locate on north-east 50th Street, which is gravel roadway maintained by Chelsea Township.

920
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:11,380
Roll water does exist in the area, based on acreage size of the Gunaer septic system, maybe utilized.

921
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,760
Electricity is provided by ball of rural electric.

922
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:20,240
There is a FEMA map floodplain area located on the property, but there would be plenty of room outside this area to build a single family dwelling.

923
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:25,380
The new parcel would meet the three-to-one ratio requirements and lock-frontage requirements.

924
01:34:26,820 --> 01:34:30,320
The staff has not received any complaints for against the proposed split.

925
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:36,380
In this case, does not go in front of the Board of County Commission, your decision is final

926
01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:36,760
here tonight.

927
01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:38,180
Thank you.

928
01:34:38,180 --> 01:34:44,640
Michael report, so there, I have a representative for Mark Noon.

929
01:34:46,140 --> 01:34:53,220
There was a track set in the 1980s about disfigured later with production.

930
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:56,900
So basically it's going to be pretty good.

931
01:35:30,270 --> 01:35:37,410
Any other questions? Any other questions? Thank you, sir. Anyone else, sir?

932
01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:42,930
to speak to this case. Anyone else here to speak to this case? Staff, anything else?

933
01:35:43,090 --> 01:35:51,210
No, sir. Chair will close the public hearing. Chair will entertain the motion and or discussion on PL 2550.

934
01:35:53,370 --> 01:35:57,270
I'll make a motion to approve PL 2550, Mr. Chairman.

935
01:35:57,790 --> 01:35:57,990
Second.

936
01:35:58,570 --> 01:36:03,270
Kermit on the motion to approve. Andy on the second. Further discussion?

937
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:03,390
motion.

938
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:05,490
Putting procedure currently.

939
01:36:05,850 --> 01:36:05,950
Avery.

940
01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:07,930
Avery.

941
01:36:08,890 --> 01:36:10,010
Motion carried.

942
01:36:10,250 --> 01:36:10,870
5-0.

943
01:36:11,810 --> 01:36:12,590
Next item.

944
01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:13,190
F-3.

945
01:36:13,410 --> 01:36:14,570
Public hearing to consider.

946
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:17,510
P-L-2552.

947
01:36:17,670 --> 01:36:24,890
A request for a lot of split located at 2564 Southwest Addams roads to Wanda, Kansas.

948
01:36:25,190 --> 01:36:25,390
Staff.

949
01:36:26,370 --> 01:36:31,230
A little Walnut venture LLC owns a track of land containing 10 plus minus acres located

950
01:36:31,230 --> 01:36:41,990
It's south of southwest Highway 254 on southwest Adams Road, property is zone rule residential, property owner desires to split out five plus minus acres creating two five acre tracks.

951
01:36:43,090 --> 01:36:53,330
The property is located inside the urban growth area. The county property is surrounded by act 40 in our our zone properties access to the property be located on southwest Adams Road, which is a paved roadway.

952
01:36:55,230 --> 01:37:01,150
There's a native line that does run down the same side of the street, based on acreage size,

953
01:37:01,570 --> 01:37:05,870
hill lagoon or septic system, maybe utilized, electricity is provided by Bela Rule Electric,

954
01:37:06,270 --> 01:37:08,250
and there are no female mat footprint areas.

955
01:37:09,330 --> 01:37:16,310
Staff to confirm with the surveyor that the existing home there would meet setback requirements for the new property lines.

956
01:37:17,790 --> 01:37:27,710
If there are some accessory structures, if any other structure did not meet those setback requirements of 25 feet side yards, they would be torn down.

957
01:37:28,810 --> 01:37:40,910
New parcels would meet three to one ratio requirements and a lot from the requirements staff received no comments for against proposed split, in this case does not go before the Board of County Commission, your decision here tonight's final.

958
01:37:43,580 --> 01:37:45,520
the applicant or someone who's representing.

959
01:37:49,890 --> 01:37:52,170
The AC survey, that's not in the way.

960
01:37:53,050 --> 01:37:59,410
Is this

961
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:05,400
the old swimmer in the state?

962
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:08,440
He nodded yes.

963
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,520
Well I was looking on us and that has to be that place.

964
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:13,880
We've gotten a lot smaller.

965
01:38:16,460 --> 01:38:18,100
Any other questions coming?

966
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:19,760
Thank you, Roger.

967
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:22,200
Anyone else here to speak to this case?

968
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:25,500
Anyone else here to speak to this case?

969
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:26,700
Staff, anything else?

970
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,360
Not the chair will close the public hearing.

971
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:33,620
Chair will entertain the motion and or discussion on 2552.

972
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:41,240
Mr. Chairman?

973
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:42,680
I'll make a motion to approve.

974
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,280
P-25-52.

975
01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,460
to permit on the motion to approve, is there a second?

976
01:38:49,580 --> 01:38:50,000
Second.

977
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:51,460
Bryce on the second.

978
01:38:54,250 --> 01:38:55,180
Further discussion?

979
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:57,800
Boating procedure, permit.

980
01:38:58,180 --> 01:38:58,360
Favour?

981
01:38:59,300 --> 01:38:59,580
Favour?

982
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:00,120
Favour?

983
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:00,660
Favour?

984
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:02,600
Motion carried, five, zero.

985
01:39:05,660 --> 01:39:10,640
Item F4, public hearing to consider PL 2553,

986
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:18,160
a request for a final plat located at 20,955 Southwest Indian

987
01:39:18,260 --> 01:39:19,900
Honourable Road, Douglas Clandes.

988
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:20,860
Bless you, sir.

989
01:39:21,180 --> 01:39:21,380
Bless you.

990
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:22,160
Staff.

991
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,360
Ron Williamson, owns the track of the Ancutane 26.3

992
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,560
plus Monosacres located at the northwest corner of Southwest

993
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,760
Indian Ola Road in Southwest 2.10 Street.

994
01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:32,700
Property is zone role residential.

995
01:39:33,420 --> 01:39:35,440
On October 7th, the Planning Commission did review

996
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:37,480
and approve a four-o-lot plenary plan.

997
01:39:38,180 --> 01:39:42,320
The lot sizes range from 4.2 acres to 7.85 acres.

998
01:39:43,100 --> 01:39:46,540
The final plot, as well as the plenary plan,

999
01:39:46,540 --> 01:39:51,240
That is a replat of the Deer Creek subdivision in the Deer Creek second subdivision.

1000
01:39:51,740 --> 01:39:56,340
The plant would only be adding one additional lot, and then moving some property boundaries

1001
01:39:56,340 --> 01:39:56,620
around.

1002
01:39:57,380 --> 01:39:59,980
Now the property is surrounded by Ag 40 in RR zone.

1003
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,460
The property's immediate area is predominantly RR. There are no FEMA maps or dam breach areas located on the property. Access to lots 1 and 2 would be a 70-foot dedicated roadway located on Southwest 2-10 Street. Southwest 2-10 Street is paved and maintained by the county. Lot 3 and 4 would be accessed off the Southwest Indian roller road, which the gravel roadway maintained by Richland Township. The properties are serviced by road water. Property would be serviced by private wastewater systems.

1004
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:37,060
electricity is provided by averagey, newly created parcels, would meet RR a lot with

1005
01:40:37,060 --> 01:40:40,560
and deaf men and mums of 270 feet, not greater than 3 to 1 ratio.

1006
01:40:41,260 --> 01:40:44,340
Staff has not received any concern from surrounding property owners.

1007
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:45,340
Chairman?

1008
01:40:46,740 --> 01:40:47,780
Questions for staff.

1009
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,360
Is applicant or someone representing?

1010
01:40:57,400 --> 01:40:58,520
Any questions for Gerald?

1011
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:02,120
Thank you, sir.

1012
01:41:05,290 --> 01:41:06,990
Anyone else who would speak to this case?

1013
01:41:06,990 --> 01:41:07,830
One,

1014
01:41:13,220 --> 01:41:37,660
three, four, four, eight, south, west, two, ten, Douglas, I own the property of this next door to Derrick Creek and we had a slight problem with the survey people the last time when they opened up Derrick Creek and we didn't have a problem with Billy but we had a problem with putting markers on my property and when I inquired as to why they wouldn't give me a straight answer.

1015
01:41:37,660 --> 01:41:44,440
other than my fence lines crooked and my tree line was crooked and when I asked about

1016
01:41:44,440 --> 01:41:49,600
the fence line that was 10 feet over, they said there was never any, that's the line

1017
01:41:49,600 --> 01:41:50,120
over there.

1018
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:55,120
So there was, and I watched the guy take a fort down from the survey company.

1019
01:41:55,940 --> 01:42:03,380
So my question today is, there's four plots, right, that's being finalized, are they on

1020
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:08,440
on the east side or west side of Deer Creek, the states on the east side.

1021
01:42:08,820 --> 01:42:09,660
Both of them?

1022
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:14,220
Well, Deer Creek is, this is part, part and parcel of Deer Creek estates.

1023
01:42:14,220 --> 01:42:18,780
It's, it's a replat of part of that in the Deer Creek, second estates.

1024
01:42:19,140 --> 01:42:23,180
Well, the reason I'm asking is the Deer Creek, the one, the one parcel that's being created

1025
01:42:23,180 --> 01:42:24,280
is Watt-3.

1026
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:31,360
If you look at the top there, top right, so that was one parcel right now.

1027
01:42:31,900 --> 01:42:32,220
Okay.

1028
01:42:32,220 --> 01:42:41,520
So that is the that is the additional parcel that's being added. So basically, they just split that and then they're moving a few property allowance because they had to

1029
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:48,320
Create an access also as well. They're putting in a dedicated roadway

1030
01:42:49,020 --> 01:42:53,500
So they had to move some property boundaries around to make that understand.

1031
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:58,480
And there's just a, I wanted to know where the Osaka, the Osaka is the one that's

1032
01:42:58,480 --> 01:42:58,780
surveying.

1033
01:42:58,840 --> 01:42:59,840
Can this go be doing it?

1034
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:02,200
No, the other one's still on the plot.

1035
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:05,900
Then I can talk to them because they're the ones that did mine.

1036
01:43:06,660 --> 01:43:07,180
Oh, okay.

1037
01:43:07,340 --> 01:43:14,660
A long time ago and I was trying to get a copy of that survey and they didn't have it here

1038
01:43:14,660 --> 01:43:15,380
at the courthouse.

1039
01:43:15,480 --> 01:43:16,920
They said it wasn't registered.

1040
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:22,100
So I called the company and asked them if I could get a copy and they said I couldn't have

1041
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:27,280
that because I was in the original request and I said well the original request

1042
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:34,100
passed away. Well you still can't get it. So I don't understand. It's a record. It's a

1043
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:40,320
recorded survey. Yes. Have you gone to the Register of Deeds office? In what? The Register

1044
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,140
of Deeds office.

1045
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:50,480
The Register of Deeds office. Okay so they're in this building on the first

1046
01:44:07,980 --> 01:44:15,920
floor. I don't know if it's not recorded. I mean if it was recorded you can always request

1047
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,600
was a copy of it from Mr. Keith.

1048
01:44:18,260 --> 01:44:18,940
No, I'm not very much of a question from here.

1049
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,480
But I tried to get it from the survey and conference

1050
01:44:21,480 --> 01:44:22,840
to one that's getting ready to do this one.

1051
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:24,380
And they said I couldn't have it.

1052
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:25,860
They do have it on record.

1053
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,380
But I couldn't have it because the individual that requested it

1054
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:31,860
is the only one that could get it.

1055
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,620
And it didn't make any sense to me since I blocked the property.

1056
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,440
I don't know if Gerald's able to answer that question or not.

1057
01:44:41,780 --> 01:44:43,420
But we didn't change any of that.

1058
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:44,700
OK.

1059
01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:44,760
Okay.

1060
01:44:46,990 --> 01:44:52,150
This, this, this here, this is the green.

1061
01:44:53,090 --> 01:44:53,330
Yeah.

1062
01:44:54,110 --> 01:44:54,630
We did

1063
01:44:56,900 --> 01:44:57,460
do plasma.

1064
01:44:57,640 --> 01:44:58,480
That's what we're doing.

1065
01:44:59,420 --> 01:44:59,740
Yeah.

1066
01:45:05,860 --> 01:45:24,500
Can these workers put on my property over here? Not valid? Over here. Does that mean we didn't do that? No, I know you didn't. The other survey outfit. Yeah. Can I give you a copy of? You can send your company. No, we just did this one.

1067
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:30,700
So you don't have record of the one that was on.

1068
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:37,460
It was just last year.

1069
01:45:37,900 --> 01:45:39,680
Yeah, that book came to the west.

1070
01:45:41,180 --> 01:45:42,340
It was that.

1071
01:45:42,740 --> 01:45:42,840
Yes.

1072
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:43,460
Yes.

1073
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:44,360
Yes.

1074
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:44,720
Yes.

1075
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,620
But it is a recording flat, you can get that.

1076
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:58,720
Thank you for your time there.

1077
01:45:58,940 --> 01:46:01,100
Thank you for your time there.

1078
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:05,880
These survey companies, all we requested was, we didn't even ask.

1079
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,840
We thought they had to come and decency to come up to the house and say,

1080
01:46:09,980 --> 01:46:12,640
hey you know we've got to put markers on your pens line here.

1081
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:14,120
And they didn't even do that.

1082
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:15,780
They just up and left.

1083
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,880
And I didn't find them to fall

1084
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:21,020
when the lead fell off the ground.

1085
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,360
And that's when I started seeing the flags in the marker.

1086
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:25,300
That's when I made it.

1087
01:46:25,300 --> 01:46:30,280
Well, I've always maintained the last guy in the section

1088
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,580
that's going to get short-edged land

1089
01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:37,760
because all of the deeds and stuff

1090
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,140
are free plus or minus.

1091
01:46:39,140 --> 01:46:55,740
and these people moving out now, it says five-hundred-and-one feet, I need my five-hundred-and-one and we've made me, we've been through this several times with the area on property that we have owned out.

1092
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:56,620
There was one,

1093
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:05,400
probably similar to this, they bought the place from their granddad, they had it surveyed off.

1094
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:25,900
one corner was perfectly where it's supposed to be the other and was off by 16 or 17 feet and they wanted to move the fence and I said folks I said we're not moving the fence both of our granddad stood here and built that fence together and that's the line.

1095
01:47:27,220 --> 01:47:33,900
So that's where you run into trouble with surveys that have been out there or not out there.

1096
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:39,160
Like I said, it was interesting that the one corner that was dead on was way out in the middle of nowhere

1097
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:44,620
Is it one along the road that was off, but so yeah those things

1098
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:50,760
The courtesy you would have been come up to the house and say hey, let's have a discussion

1099
01:47:50,760 --> 01:48:00,600
Thank you

1100
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:00,660
You?

1101
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,160
Anyone else to speak to this case?

1102
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:20,240
That's wrong Williamson.

1103
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:24,880
And then, well, be inside the old fence, because I didn't want to share out all those

1104
01:48:25,340 --> 01:48:25,780
trees.

1105
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:30,840
There is a dorm tree, the old fence line is the property where the stake is.

1106
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:32,760
Where the one in the first is?

1107
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:33,780
There is a big four round.

1108
01:48:35,300 --> 01:48:36,180
All right.

1109
01:48:36,580 --> 01:48:37,060
I think we can start.

1110
01:48:37,060 --> 01:48:37,860
Okay, yeah.

1111
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:38,480
Motion.

1112
01:48:39,820 --> 01:48:46,440
Let's close public caring channel entertain motion and or discussion on PL 2553.

1113
01:48:47,860 --> 01:48:49,620
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion.

1114
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:53,930
Any on the list to approve?

1115
01:48:54,190 --> 01:48:54,490
Second.

1116
01:48:55,370 --> 01:48:56,310
Kermit on the second.

1117
01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:58,090
Further discussion.

1118
01:48:58,930 --> 01:49:00,210
Boating procedure, Kermit.

1119
01:49:00,370 --> 01:49:00,590
Favorite.

1120
01:49:01,450 --> 01:49:01,690
Favorite.

1121
01:49:02,170 --> 01:49:02,350
Favorite.

1122
01:49:04,290 --> 01:49:05,650
Kermit on the second.

1123
01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:06,530
Further discussion.

1124
01:49:07,150 --> 01:49:08,350
Boating procedure, Kermit.

1125
01:49:08,350 --> 01:49:08,590
Favorite.

1126
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:08,890
Favorite.

1127
01:49:08,890 --> 01:49:26,530
5, public caring to consider CU-2506, request to operate in the event venue located at Southwest 160th Street, East of Southwest, County Line Road, Rose Hill, Kansas, staff.

1128
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:41,790
Yes sir Cole Hurley is under contract and by 40 plus or minus acres from owners Paul and Nathaniel Dickens property is currently zoned act 40 property owners desires to construct and operate an event venue on the property.

1129
01:49:41,790 --> 01:49:48,610
If the property is re-zoned to RE, I'm going to tie two cases, the one you guys move.

1130
01:49:50,070 --> 01:49:57,370
If the property is re-zoned to RE, case RZ2521, the new owner would plot four lots and

1131
01:49:57,370 --> 01:49:59,430
construct two single family dwellings.

1132
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:29,620
RZ-25-21 was denied by the Planning Commission on 10-7, 2025. The reason was heard by the Board of County Commissioners on 10-28, 2025. During this hearing, the Board heard from Mr. Hurley and sent the case back to the Planning Commission to consider the new plans. It is important to understand that the conditional use request can be approved or denied.

1133
01:50:29,620 --> 01:50:35,060
independently from the rezone application, and if the property remains ag-40.

1134
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:46,180
The operational plan notes, the following, that they wish to construct a 5,000 square foot barn or rustic style building that could host up to 350 guests.

1135
01:50:46,860 --> 01:50:50,300
They covered outside area, which could host up to 300 guests.

1136
01:50:51,260 --> 01:50:58,380
They will host weddings, retreats, functions, private celebrations such as anniversaries and reunions.

1137
01:50:58,380 --> 01:51:05,100
the plan notes that the building would have a state-of-the-art sound system, a dance floor of catering kitchen,

1138
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:11,320
the property owners plan to live on the property, or on one of the parcels.

1139
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:21,700
The hours of operation are Sunday through Thursday, 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., Friday and Saturday, 8 a.m. to 11 p.m.

1140
01:51:23,140 --> 01:51:33,000
The property is currently zoned to Ag 40, as mentioned, the board is considering a current application again to rezone the property to residential states.

1141
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:48,060
The property is located inside the urban growth area of the county, property is surrounded by Ag 40 and RR zone properties, because particular conditions associated with event venue activities might have an adverse effect on nearby properties.

1142
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:57,940
Conditional uses are not permitted outright but are allowed as conditional uses because of the nature of activities associated with an event venue this size.

1143
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:02,820
The board should consider whether the proposed use is appropriate for the area.

1144
01:52:03,480 --> 01:52:09,660
It is not necessary whether the proposed use is consistent with the intent and purpose of the zoning regulations.

1145
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:17,600
The uses in the area appear to be in large part role residential, use and agricultural

1146
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:18,240
uses.

1147
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,360
There are role residential subdivisions located to the south and to the north.

1148
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:27,980
There are two other conditionally uses located on West Rosewood Street, which is located

1149
01:52:27,980 --> 01:52:28,720
to the south.

1150
01:52:29,980 --> 01:52:32,720
One is a top soil harvesting operation.

1151
01:52:33,480 --> 01:52:35,420
The other is a church day school.

1152
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:42,140
The event venue by nature would not be compatible with other land uses in the area unless additional

1153
01:52:42,140 --> 01:52:46,460
requirements are made to make the request more compatible with surrounding property owners.

1154
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:54,940
The entrance to the venue would be located on Southwest 160th Street, which is a gravel

1155
01:52:54,940 --> 01:52:56,820
roadway maintained by Puzzle Township.

1156
01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:02,020
The owner is willing to make improvements to the roadway if necessary and has met with

1157
01:53:02,020 --> 01:53:04,580
the township to discuss those improvements.

1158
01:53:04,580 --> 01:53:07,580
staff did reach out to the trustee.

1159
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:14,920
The township did express to staff that they would prefer the road to remain gravel at this time.

1160
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:17,960
Rule water is available.

1161
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:23,280
There is a two-inch line that runs east and west along southwest 160th Street.

1162
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:26,920
It's such a rule water district three.

1163
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:31,360
They can supply additional meters to the property.

1164
01:53:32,700 --> 01:53:39,600
road water is available, as mentioned. There is a two-inch line that runs east and west

1165
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:45,980
along Southwest 160th Street. I already said that, sorry. Property would be service by

1166
01:53:45,980 --> 01:53:51,500
private wastewater systems, but the road electric would provide electricity, and there are

1167
01:53:51,500 --> 01:53:57,940
no FEMA maps, floodplain areas located on the property. Staff fails to propose, used would

1168
01:53:57,940 --> 01:54:02,180
have impact on surrounding property owners and is proposing consideration of the following

1169
01:54:02,180 --> 01:54:04,120
conditions to limit those impacts.

1170
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:10,880
Hours of operations, Sunday through Thursday 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., Friday and Saturday 8 a.m.

1171
01:54:10,980 --> 01:54:17,560
to 11 p.m., no music outdoors after 10 p.m., all parking will be on site, no parking allowed

1172
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:22,840
on Southwest 160th Street, any lighting would be positioned in a downward direction so as

1173
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:24,900
and not impact the joining landowners.

1174
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:27,780
The event building itself should meet

1175
01:54:27,780 --> 01:54:29,500
Butler County Commercial Code standards

1176
01:54:30,120 --> 01:54:32,960
and translate located on Southwest 16th Street

1177
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:34,940
shall meet the County Engineer standards,

1178
01:54:35,610 --> 01:54:37,460
allowing for the flow and traffic in and out

1179
01:54:37,460 --> 01:54:38,960
of the venue at the same time.

1180
01:54:39,500 --> 01:54:42,380
If future flooding occurs in interior roadway,

1181
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:44,420
shall be constructed that allows for access

1182
01:54:44,420 --> 01:54:45,560
to all those lots.

1183
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:50,690
In consideration of the event venue,

1184
01:54:50,810 --> 01:54:54,290
the board should consider the reconsideration

1185
01:54:54,290 --> 01:54:59,970
of RZ 25-20-21, the rezoning of the property from Mag 4 you go

1186
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:30,830
Our E staff will also note that if the event venue is recommended for approval and the rezoning case is not approved. After reconsideration, a new site plan should be submitted to the board to be reviewed by board county commissioners. So they submitted a site plan originally, but the site plan does include what I'm trying to get out. There's

1187
01:55:30,830 --> 01:55:34,750
There's a lot of scenarios here, chicken in an area here.

1188
01:55:35,050 --> 01:55:40,250
So they originally submitted a site plan that showed two driveway entrances,

1189
01:55:41,730 --> 01:55:43,190
which you have in your packets.

1190
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:52,970
They do show kind of the layout of where the map that was provided, the site plan that was provided.

1191
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:59,410
I believe south is up, north is down, no, you're fine.

1192
01:56:00,110 --> 01:56:02,730
I just want to explain it so they weren't all twisted.

1193
01:56:04,850 --> 01:56:06,430
They would have figured it out probably anyway.

1194
01:56:08,410 --> 01:56:16,070
But yes, so again, that site plan was contingent on the rezoning being approved, but this

1195
01:56:16,070 --> 01:56:19,610
can be approved without rezoning the property.

1196
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:25,070
I mean, you can't approve if you so choose the event venue and not approve the rezoning.

1197
01:56:25,070 --> 01:56:34,830
But I don't have a site plan of event venue in existence by itself as opposed to the property.

1198
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:40,110
In the reconsideration on the next case for the reason application, they have submitted

1199
01:56:40,110 --> 01:56:48,430
a site plan that generally looks like a preliminary plot, just not to that extent, that does show

1200
01:56:48,430 --> 01:56:52,930
an interior roadway with a turnaround area that would access those.

1201
01:56:52,930 --> 01:57:01,070
And on that, on that plan, the event venue would be basically on the large parcel to the

1202
01:57:01,070 --> 01:57:08,410
west and the other properties to the right and we can get into more than that when we

1203
01:57:08,410 --> 01:57:09,090
get to the reason.

1204
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:14,210
But I wanted to kind of explain the two are not independent on each other.

1205
01:57:14,510 --> 01:57:22,030
I did recommend that we hold off with the application of this until we knew the outcome

1206
01:57:22,030 --> 01:57:28,410
originally of the rezone case but time was of the essence so he did make

1207
01:57:28,410 --> 01:57:29,070
application.

1208
01:57:32,150 --> 01:57:36,170
Staff's recommendation on this is that I would not approve it and

1209
01:57:36,170 --> 01:57:42,670
less this board is comfortable with specific conditions that would limit

1210
01:57:42,670 --> 01:57:43,970
impacts on surrounding areas.

1211
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:54,100
Question that I and I was thinking about it very

1212
01:57:54,100 --> 01:58:00,980
there and I don't know how to even hardly ask it. We're always talking about

1213
01:58:00,980 --> 01:58:08,560
downward facing lights, but if it's on a 200-foot pole, it lights up the

1214
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:12,700
heck of an area. It's going to be hard. Whether it's because it's kind of like

1215
01:58:12,700 --> 01:58:17,700
the substation out to remind that was one of the biggest requirements we had

1216
01:58:17,700 --> 01:58:26,800
We had down-refacing lights, but two-and-a-half miles away, you can see it from 254 Highland with the down-refacing light.

1217
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:30,320
You know, so that's always kind of been one of those I'm going.

1218
01:58:31,700 --> 01:58:33,420
That's always an interesting one.

1219
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:37,080
It's really hard, yeah. It's how they're constructed.

1220
01:58:37,300 --> 01:58:42,720
I mean, the best possible scenarios to try to limit that effect by it.

1221
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:42,820
Yeah.

1222
01:58:42,900 --> 01:58:47,060
Down-refacing, I'm obviously, but you're absolutely correct if we have a hundred.

1223
01:58:47,060 --> 01:58:52,260
Well, and here again, the other aspect of it is the wattage

1224
01:58:52,260 --> 01:58:58,340
that's involved in it, and or I mean,

1225
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:03,640
in the situation

1226
01:59:03,640 --> 01:59:04,380
like this,

1227
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:10,890
most of them, what causes your lighting issues

1228
01:59:10,890 --> 01:59:17,120
is the parking part of it, keeping it well, and having

1229
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:19,540
those we don't really want a dark parking lot.

1230
01:59:22,300 --> 01:59:29,140
But just something I had to have been rolling in my head for a couple of weeks, and I'm like,

1231
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:37,000
I got to say it finally tonight, so I think there's a difference between event lighting and security lighting.

1232
01:59:37,180 --> 01:59:40,680
Yeah, they told about lighting up everything for security.

1233
01:59:42,740 --> 01:59:52,060
But, like I said, it's interesting how, and here again, it's the wattage type issue

1234
01:59:52,060 --> 01:59:59,340
too, because they can turn half of them off and still have security and my estimation

1235
01:59:59,340 --> 01:59:59,640
And so

1236
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:05,980
Okay, anything else? Any other questions? I kind of hijack the board there.

1237
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:10,620
Not as applicant or someone representing?

1238
02:00:39,390 --> 02:00:44,750
to their house. So the plan is, we are currently under contract for the 48 years, like we talked

1239
02:00:44,750 --> 02:00:50,650
about. Obviously, the best case scenario is initial use permit and the result, because the

1240
02:00:50,650 --> 02:00:53,950
plan is for my parents to go to the house out in the country where they fished over. They

1241
02:00:53,950 --> 02:01:02,470
were initially and then us don't want to dwell on site. I feel like being on site helps

1242
02:01:02,470 --> 02:01:05,710
I mean, I mean, it's not just, I know it's out there,

1243
02:01:05,910 --> 02:01:06,730
it's out of the back self,

1244
02:01:06,850 --> 02:01:09,610
just not being ready to be on the side of all the time.

1245
02:01:11,190 --> 02:01:14,250
But my wife and I raised our three boys out and down as well.

1246
02:01:14,710 --> 02:01:17,110
We were both teachers studying at work in schools

1247
02:01:17,630 --> 02:01:21,210
and we're just really looking for a way

1248
02:01:21,210 --> 02:01:23,230
to supplement teachers that come to be honest.

1249
02:01:23,810 --> 02:01:25,370
We own her wishy model as well.

1250
02:01:25,790 --> 02:01:27,110
My grandpa started that in 1967

1251
02:01:28,090 --> 02:01:30,030
and at this point, my dad's 71.

1252
02:01:30,030 --> 02:01:35,450
want to work another full-time job. I can't do this all the time. He is ready to retire so

1253
02:01:35,450 --> 02:01:39,670
we're trying to figure out a way to transition that business to another point that's not quite

1254
02:01:39,670 --> 02:01:45,570
so labor intensive on him and myself. Sorry, you're starting the high school is not

1255
02:01:45,570 --> 02:01:52,030
other than sorry. It's a little different so it takes me a second, but we can be just as

1256
02:01:52,030 --> 02:01:53,050
just rattling interrupt.

1257
02:01:53,310 --> 02:01:54,390
I wanted.

1258
02:01:54,630 --> 02:01:56,290
He's saying that he probably harder than we are.

1259
02:01:57,510 --> 02:01:57,930
I don't know.

1260
02:01:58,030 --> 02:01:58,630
You're less than ten.

1261
02:02:02,070 --> 02:02:07,050
The goal is obviously to create something that adds to the

1262
02:02:07,050 --> 02:02:08,590
value not takes away.

1263
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:13,250
I don't want some crazy futuristic looking building.

1264
02:02:13,450 --> 02:02:16,470
You can see the picture on the front page of that report that I have.

1265
02:02:16,590 --> 02:02:20,810
That's the idea of the menu to fit the landscape to add upon to add

1266
02:02:20,810 --> 02:02:22,990
and trees, because right now I was 40 years old,

1267
02:02:23,150 --> 02:02:24,210
I was sitting on a tree on it.

1268
02:02:24,790 --> 02:02:26,970
So the plan was to landscape it.

1269
02:02:27,230 --> 02:02:30,570
And really, more included, so you won't even hardly see it.

1270
02:02:30,690 --> 02:02:31,970
We walked out the whole property.

1271
02:02:32,210 --> 02:02:33,930
You came to know where the venue sits,

1272
02:02:33,930 --> 02:02:35,670
or the plan was that you came to see it,

1273
02:02:35,730 --> 02:02:38,790
or you're sitting there, because of the way the building is.

1274
02:02:38,970 --> 02:02:42,190
And if we build it the way that we've described it,

1275
02:02:42,510 --> 02:02:45,430
I just don't see it taking away from anything

1276
02:02:45,430 --> 02:02:48,290
but adding to the company itself and the township.

1277
02:02:48,470 --> 02:02:50,510
And I did have a meeting, I went to the township

1278
02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:57,630
He did, I did not, I was not on the impression that they wanted to keep it rabble.

1279
02:02:58,090 --> 02:03:03,230
I was on the impression that they weren't going to pay for it, but they said if I, I would

1280
02:03:03,870 --> 02:03:09,630
be more than willing to enter into a agreement to have us chit-seal that road, and they would

1281
02:03:09,630 --> 02:03:10,410
create the base.

1282
02:03:10,970 --> 02:03:16,770
He said it's already got a solid base that it would, that it wouldn't take much to prepare

1283
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:26,190
from the bridge that is in the 8th of the mile west of the other, he said the entrance

1284
02:03:26,190 --> 02:03:31,870
I would rather do in the property or into it, just to cover the whole thing, but when the

1285
02:03:31,870 --> 02:03:36,750
other roof is expanded four lanes there, came in all the way to the bridge and then disaprotonated

1286
02:03:36,750 --> 02:03:41,630
for the mile west of the other room, so it would be from that point of the bridge to the

1287
02:03:41,630 --> 02:03:45,910
of our property that we're in the contract for, which is about six cents a mile.

1288
02:03:46,370 --> 02:03:51,770
Well, and now I would just generally say that because we've had downships come in and

1289
02:03:51,770 --> 02:03:58,670
go, well you're going to do the next half mile also when you have no, if you want to go

1290
02:03:58,670 --> 02:04:05,430
to your boundary, I'm totally fine with that, it's, it just, we, I've seen that, seeing

1291
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:13,490
were they've tried to abuse someone coming in and they were very gracious when I was there

1292
02:04:13,490 --> 02:04:17,530
and seemed very supportive of anything that we're doing. There wasn't a lot of people

1293
02:04:17,530 --> 02:04:21,270
actually, but the whole point was that they couldn't talk to you.

1294
02:04:23,370 --> 02:04:30,250
So they weren't against the venue by any means. I think their issue was with the cost share

1295
02:04:30,250 --> 02:04:34,710
that didn't feel like they wanted to enter an agreement for a cost share because then that

1296
02:04:34,710 --> 02:04:40,450
brings on expectations for maintenance as well. I think they felt like it was

1297
02:04:40,450 --> 02:04:46,330
probably going to get paved at some point anyway. So that's why I said they

1298
02:04:46,330 --> 02:04:52,270
just prefer to remain gravel at this time. So really that's because I don't think

1299
02:04:53,790 --> 02:04:58,830
they're they're going to be for a maintenance agreement or a cost share to get

1300
02:04:58,830 --> 02:04:59,950
of road done at the side.

1301
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:14,060
I, he, as far as I know, they just preferred that it stay gravel right now. And I did speak with them after we spoke.

1302
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:27,520
Well, that's something that can, could be clarified. If we proceed on, yeah, it can be clarified very easily.

1303
02:05:34,340 --> 02:05:39,520
I think he has had all the business plan and the preliminary side plans of the resounding

1304
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:40,400
with the four lots.

1305
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:46,460
Again, just two in lots, three and four could be simply my own, so my parents house and

1306
02:05:46,460 --> 02:05:53,920
my house, and then my mom would be not the hand drawn one, but the actual.

1307
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:54,160
Yeah.

1308
02:05:54,660 --> 02:05:54,760
Yeah.

1309
02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:55,440
Yeah.

1310
02:05:55,720 --> 02:05:57,520
I've been looking up at it too.

1311
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:04,880
It's a pretty good sketch and it's got dimensions on it anyway.

1312
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:08,940
Oh, there you go, man.

1313
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:09,920
Well, the instruction.

1314
02:06:11,620 --> 02:06:14,080
So the kids have been learning as you've been doing.

1315
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:16,380
Next sketch point, yes.

1316
02:06:17,020 --> 02:06:19,560
So a lot too, we just be sold to him ever?

1317
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:21,780
No, we're not selling to him ever.

1318
02:06:22,900 --> 02:06:23,960
We would all hold it.

1319
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:24,980
I don't have to.

1320
02:06:24,980 --> 02:06:29,840
Yeah, so a lot to my brother lives in the course of Utah.

1321
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,080
At some point, since he's going to look back,

1322
02:06:32,380 --> 02:06:34,120
he's a ski officer, he's trolling me.

1323
02:06:34,300 --> 02:06:36,140
He's 100 years old, so I've been moving back.

1324
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:39,860
But if that was the case, he would have to keep her away.

1325
02:06:40,420 --> 02:06:40,580
Gotcha.

1326
02:06:41,340 --> 02:06:42,260
It wouldn't be so long.

1327
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:42,860
Gotcha.

1328
02:06:43,100 --> 02:06:43,260
OK.

1329
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:47,320
Other questions?

1330
02:06:52,270 --> 02:06:54,110
Bryce, just think you can get you that egg

1331
02:06:54,110 --> 02:06:54,370
badge.

1332
02:06:54,610 --> 02:06:55,770
You can look at that on that.

1333
02:06:56,150 --> 02:06:56,510
I know.

1334
02:06:56,930 --> 02:06:58,930
I'm going to try to blow it up on that.

1335
02:07:19,770 --> 02:07:20,810
Any

1336
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:26,600
other questions or comments for any

1337
02:07:30,890 --> 02:07:36,430
other questions or comments for them?

1338
02:07:36,430 --> 02:07:36,610
My

1339
02:07:42,780 --> 02:07:46,620
name is Lance Flowers, and I actually live at 15th Fort

1340
02:07:48,830 --> 02:07:50,430
Clearby, Kansas, which is about

1341
02:07:50,430 --> 02:07:55,030
a mile and a quarter away, but I do own a property that

1342
02:08:01,690 --> 02:08:02,710
won 60 of them.

1343
02:08:05,140 --> 02:08:07,680
Now, I didn't catch the exact number,

1344
02:08:10,300 --> 02:08:15,220
if I was at 300 inside and 350 out or 350 in.

1345
02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:21,560
So the outside is just like our ceremony, the inside and 350.

1346
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:28,200
So it's the same thing, it's not trying to get 600 people at one time, but it's an outside.

1347
02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:31,800
in the settlement area, which is not even in the plans right now.

1348
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:35,970
That's future, settlement in the side, or reception in the side.

1349
02:08:36,430 --> 02:08:38,510
Okay, so I'm not trying to put 600 people on it.

1350
02:08:39,070 --> 02:08:45,270
So I'm probably the only one around here that lives next to an event facility.

1351
02:08:45,630 --> 02:08:51,330
So there is the Pinehurst facility right there at county line road,

1352
02:08:51,330 --> 02:08:54,550
She worked in 150.

1353
02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:01,120
She stood me on my property

1354
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:06,180
south of that,

1355
02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:10,950
on the side.

1356
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:10,100
Please try to address the board. Okay. If you pull about one map up, I can show you over at

1357
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:39,880
88ers right there. So essentially, it is as close as possible. And I can tell you, you know, we've kind of let the charge on 159. If there's noise at after 10 o'clock, we call it, we call the Central County Sheriff and they come in there and shut down the venue and then all the people get upset.

1358
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:43,480
It's just

1359
02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:49,020
This awful. It really is. Obviously, Butler Road is going to be closed for two years with

1360
02:10:49,020 --> 02:10:53,040
the widening project because they had to build me a secondary

1361
02:10:55,050 --> 02:10:56,590
than 60th Street because

1362
02:10:56,590 --> 02:10:56,830
we

1363
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:01,440
head to the bean

1364
02:11:11,230 --> 02:11:11,870
southbound.

1365
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:12,220
I own the property just to the east of where this has been discussed. I don't know that

1366
02:12:12,220 --> 02:12:23,280
probably since about 1973, so I've been there a long time and at this time, I have several

1367
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:23,780
concerns.

1368
02:12:27,230 --> 02:12:34,030
I was out there fixing fence and doing some things where we could go and the

1369
02:12:34,030 --> 02:12:40,750
dust on the road, it was like 130 in the afternoon, not like rush hour or anything, but the dust

1370
02:12:40,750 --> 02:12:48,130
was so bad that in a very short time you didn't even see what color my shoes were and I

1371
02:12:48,130 --> 02:12:51,850
caught with several days after that because of the dust.

1372
02:12:51,950 --> 02:12:59,870
It was the construction equipment and it was some of the hauling of a trailer loaded six

1373
02:12:59,870 --> 02:13:02,990
big round nails down the road and all that sort of thing.

1374
02:13:03,690 --> 02:13:05,970
There weren't any cars going down the road.

1375
02:13:05,970 --> 02:13:09,370
It was all trucks of some nature and other.

1376
02:13:10,610 --> 02:13:15,410
And the road just, I don't feel that I did support it

1377
02:13:15,410 --> 02:13:23,170
but traffic, commercial traffic, being able to use that road.

1378
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:26,810
Let's see.

1379
02:13:27,730 --> 02:13:32,910
My other concern is, I guess, after a hearing and hearing,

1380
02:13:32,910 --> 02:13:35,710
so you could teach us everything.

1381
02:13:36,550 --> 02:13:39,230
Unless you've had experience in this business,

1382
02:13:39,650 --> 02:13:41,590
it is very easy to go bankrupt,

1383
02:13:42,090 --> 02:13:44,070
trying to do something like this.

1384
02:13:44,330 --> 02:13:46,310
I mean, we didn't really put it together

1385
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:48,630
and I've packed in beautiful pictures

1386
02:13:48,630 --> 02:13:50,850
and all this kind of stuff.

1387
02:13:51,170 --> 02:13:54,490
But even interest bank arena can't do it.

1388
02:13:54,930 --> 02:13:58,090
They are having to rate, they've gotten the,

1389
02:13:58,290 --> 02:13:59,490
I think it's been passed,

1390
02:13:59,490 --> 02:14:05,390
the county is going to have to raise taxes just for interest, frankly.

1391
02:14:06,150 --> 02:14:08,790
Man, that's not really pertaining.

1392
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:11,470
It's his business, it's his concern.

1393
02:14:12,090 --> 02:14:12,450
Okay.

1394
02:14:13,290 --> 02:14:19,550
And I have a real concern about, you know,

1395
02:14:19,610 --> 02:14:23,810
what happens if this goes down and you're saying it's his business,

1396
02:14:23,810 --> 02:14:28,890
But it's my business, if it messes up the neighborhood,

1397
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:35,450
and I have to deal with a lot of other negative things

1398
02:14:35,450 --> 02:14:36,750
that happen down the road.

1399
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:41,010
So I'm also trying to give it.

1400
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:46,390
I had a farmer who passed away, and his family's

1401
02:14:46,390 --> 02:14:49,210
trying to take over the farming.

1402
02:14:49,670 --> 02:14:51,610
This was his first year at it.

1403
02:14:51,610 --> 02:14:59,770
and I mean, I really would like to support the farming aspect.

1404
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
I cannot be driven off by noise and noise, and who knows what else. I pick up a lot of ear models and ear cans along the road and pop cups and food, bags, and all that kind of stuff. I have to do that several times a year. I have to go up and down the road just picking up all those things one to more. And the other is just because I don't know.

1405
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:37,740
Because it's unsightly, so I'm not happy about doing that kind of stuff, but it's the reality of only property.

1406
02:15:38,540 --> 02:15:44,540
So, you know, those are some of my concerns, and another concern.

1407
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:47,200
I got this card in the mail.

1408
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:50,700
It's an important notice on it.

1409
02:15:51,300 --> 02:15:54,780
I got this the day before the last timing meeting.

1410
02:15:55,480 --> 02:15:58,500
And the meeting went kind of long, so I didn't want to say anything.

1411
02:15:58,500 --> 02:16:08,480
But the top admin card tells me that water supply was contaminated and if they

1412
02:16:08,480 --> 02:16:14,000
mean all the details on that and then the bottom half of the card says you

1413
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:21,320
won't die from it. So that's, you know, I feel like the real water district is

1414
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:26,540
a little bit fragile there. I mean it's there. I think they did some more

1415
02:16:26,540 --> 02:16:32,820
on the town line portion, maybe put in a little bit larger line, maybe that was responsible

1416
02:16:32,820 --> 02:16:42,320
for this, but the point was that it contaminated my water supply there, so I just felt like

1417
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:50,620
I should bring that up too, so I'm not sure if we have the infrastructure support as far

1418
02:16:50,620 --> 02:17:01,180
as fire and policing of the events and there's always going to be something that comes up

1419
02:17:01,180 --> 02:17:02,760
and those sort of things.

1420
02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:10,540
If you're going to have crowds, that stuff's going to happen and I have a little concern

1421
02:17:10,540 --> 02:17:11,520
about that.

1422
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:19,640
One that's actually my farmer who passed away, he was really involved with the fire department

1423
02:17:19,640 --> 02:17:23,540
And I could see over the years, the last 10 years or so,

1424
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:26,120
you could just see the stress on him

1425
02:17:27,300 --> 02:17:31,800
from being a volunteer and trying to manage the growth

1426
02:17:31,800 --> 02:17:38,940
and the other things that come up with not being

1427
02:17:38,940 --> 02:17:45,140
a really paid department, like paid fire

1428
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:59,980
I just don't feel that Rose Hill has come that far along, you know, to take on some

1429
02:17:59,980 --> 02:18:01,160
of these things like that.

1430
02:18:01,520 --> 02:18:08,120
I think there's more to it than just having a pretty packet of pictures of paths and saying

1431
02:18:08,120 --> 02:18:21,180
I mean, this is all that is successful because it does affect the community and it affects the families and everything like that, so I just have those concerns and I appreciate it.

1432
02:18:21,340 --> 02:18:21,760
Any questions?

1433
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:25,020
So where do you live from this?

1434
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:26,920
I live in Wichita.

1435
02:18:27,420 --> 02:18:30,600
So you live in Wichita, but you just have, you've landed here.

1436
02:18:30,600 --> 02:18:34,180
I have land and the water here, where he's saying.

1437
02:18:35,660 --> 02:18:38,660
And I'm adjacent to a, I have a house out there too.

1438
02:18:40,620 --> 02:18:41,880
So, hand it out.

1439
02:18:53,100 --> 02:18:53,580
Thank you.

1440
02:18:59,160 --> 02:18:59,960
Anyone else?

1441
02:19:04,280 --> 02:19:07,720
Angela Aver, once, six, four, seven, six, counter, I know,

1442
02:19:07,920 --> 02:19:10,180
which is adjacent to this property as well.

1443
02:19:11,480 --> 02:19:14,820
My name concerns, following with everybody else,

1444
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:18,300
and they make quite a good point, so I won't go over them.

1445
02:19:18,300 --> 02:19:23,540
is the terraced land where you can see the property and picture there shows all the terraces.

1446
02:19:24,480 --> 02:19:28,240
I want to know what the effect, if you're going to change them,

1447
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:30,460
what the effect's going to be on my picture.

1448
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:33,240
I don't want the soil erosion or...

1449
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:34,780
I am, you talked to us.

1450
02:19:34,900 --> 02:19:35,560
Well, okay.

1451
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:37,380
You can hear me.

1452
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:38,080
Okay.

1453
02:19:38,520 --> 02:19:42,160
Well, I am concerned about the soil erosion and the water shedding.

1454
02:19:43,360 --> 02:19:45,980
I don't know what effects it's going to have,

1455
02:19:45,980 --> 02:19:51,140
At the moment we've got the gold elocks at their time, not too much, not too little, just right.

1456
02:19:52,060 --> 02:19:57,520
So I like it to say like that because I don't have to deal with, I've got dams on that property,

1457
02:19:58,040 --> 02:19:59,960
and I don't want them washing away because we...

1458
02:20:00,180 --> 02:20:04,380
We have two of water or soil clog in the ball up and washing it away.

1459
02:20:07,340 --> 02:20:29,920
I'm also concerned about the increase of traffic and, as was said before, how the road is going to be maintained. We already have trespasses wandering around, driving up and down, even in the last two weeks on those properties because people come into the countryside and decide they can just go wherever they want.

1460
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:00,700
Mwy'n cald, callio'r ffordd ou gliliau'r inver

1461
02:21:00,700 --> 02:21:04,080
gyda ddyswynau aIVauFIŃ

1462
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:05,640
o Onisaeth oedd i

1463
02:21:05,640 --> 02:21:06,060
sicrhau ddyswynau veался whelanc

1464
02:21:06,060 --> 02:21:08,800
i fod yn llelion pwydde mwy

1465
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:10,380
substantive a Bathua Bandwyd

1466
02:21:10,380 --> 02:21:13,300
pfre Innovat possibly i

1467
02:21:13,300 --> 02:21:14,000
yw llwnni

1468
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:29,500
Daydud EDad page

1469
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:29,020
Daydud EDad page

1470
02:21:29,500 --> 02:21:35,200
Gwydd yn ffairdellwyr i'n ffairdell ni'n ffairdell neu priodd eIchoedd cael ei dweud asodaeth?

1471
02:21:35,980 --> 02:21:39,460
Felly yn ffairdellf mum, mae hyn ni hynny'n ffairdellf.

1472
02:21:39,820 --> 02:21:42,420
Mae hynny'n ffairdellf mum, surelyfm ni'n ffairdellf mum, mae hynny'n ffairdellf.

1473
02:21:42,420 --> 02:21:51,360
U Mae'r ffairdellf mum, mae hynny'n ffairdellf mum, gan hynny'n ffaird,

1474
02:21:51,360 --> 02:22:19,700
Mae'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n niw'n

1475
02:22:19,700 --> 02:22:43,100
ach banteau'n ceithau caeladol o ceithau a fywyddol ygyhymnau'r soit unrhyw

1476
02:22:43,100 --> 02:22:48,020
Mae'r dwi'n ganddwl os yna sy'n gyliad, ac mae'r ôl i fynd i ffordd i'r o dobl'n gwrs.

1477
02:22:50,100 --> 02:22:51,680
Mae'r dweud bod yn syliad bi'r

1478
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:10,740
cwsefodaeth

1479
02:23:16,620 --> 02:23:28,720
caneiddau i ffordd eu ar y llwf.

1480
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:40,240
Pwybeth y dwad o'r ond eithais i'r bwraith a'u'r llwy ito o'r gawr ar oedd dechrau'r ei wneud ar ymwbeth yn yna a'u cael tro yn yswyrr a'u ai.

1481
02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:47,780
Mae'r chi'n llwybeth i'r bwbeth i'r gwaithio yn yna a'u beth ymws i'r bwbethoi ymw'r gwaith i'r bwyd 가뾌wllais ymw'r dos.

1482
02:23:47,780 --> 02:23:51,800
yww i'r sefydthwarnu gyddyg allanadau pwyd mwyd llwig gweld diol y llwerdu直boion rhywbethau,

1483
02:23:53,850 --> 02:24:00,540
gennydol yw'r ysgwch i'u myndw i fi'n pwyd na'r tim oiddau itatau diolgau yw'n iawn chi'n dyni felly요.

1484
02:24:00,540 --> 02:24:03,660
Yeastau dwainch, mew'n iawn, mew'n iawn ni wedi bagu wneud i'u wasaidd.

1485
02:24:04,100 --> 02:24:08,720
Ymw'n iawn wneud iawn oswyddo angen cymrir a'u Glydeŷiniír,

1486
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:14,300
ag y ddi'r gweithio am eti'u, am y ddi'r gweithio am eti'u potio i ddiadau gwneud i'r gweithio a'r egai'u.

1487
02:24:14,300 --> 02:24:19,180
Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio oedd eu aru gwaithio a'r rai wneud unrhyw sefynadau o ddim yn y bas.

1488
02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:24,800
Mae'n gweithio a'r gweithio a'r gweithio a'r gweithio a'r gweithio.

1489
02:24:26,460 --> 02:24:38,540
A my myself was a hwnnwyl, a llyfr, anewr mewn o'r nefydw i'r anon yn ei cy Deputy Yslwys Gudurgyddol,

1490
02:24:38,540 --> 02:24:49,600
un i'w nesbwyneud ar efo unipnaw i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb i'r gallb

1491
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:59,980
ac amser i'i wedi premaiddorol ar g Waith i'r cyngl Which i'r cylwth i'r cymroedd i'r fyni gallu'r cymroeddol deir a'r cymrydorol,

1492
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:29,680
It's going to be contained around the venue would be more likely to be, like, street party lights, something that's low voltage. It's not going to, you know, it's seen lights all over the country because of it. And then the water system talking about it not being supportive. There was actually speaking to the water district. They had some money sent their way and they are implementing a loop system in the water source or the water system to create more

1493
02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:34,680
water pressure and more water to the area. So there is more than enough

1494
02:25:34,680 --> 02:25:39,740
rule water to cover a one inch meter for the venue and two three quarters

1495
02:25:39,740 --> 02:25:43,380
meters for the sink family homes. That's been discussed. It's actually

1496
02:25:43,380 --> 02:25:51,000
impacted as well. It talks about all that. And then, excuse me, as far as fire

1497
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:54,840
hydrants, there actually is a fire hydrant, three quarters a mile away at

1498
02:25:54,840 --> 02:26:00,760
actually not even 6, 6 tenths of a mile away at about the road 160, then it is a 16-inch

1499
02:26:00,760 --> 02:26:06,760
mainline fire hydrant. So it is plenty of water to fill in, tanker that can pull as much

1500
02:26:06,760 --> 02:26:12,620
water as they want off of it, and it is less than the three-course of miles away from the

1501
02:26:12,620 --> 02:26:18,800
thing itself. So they assure me that that's more than enough water to take care of anything

1502
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:24,800
that we have there, whether it be a venue that seems once a week, that most, and then

1503
02:26:25,540 --> 02:26:32,560
the classes that are... I guess my point is, it is an urban district, urban development

1504
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:37,140
district, and like the county commissioners said, it's going to get developed. At some point,

1505
02:26:37,240 --> 02:26:48,500
if we're just going to lay down an edible, or we can put two houses in a building on it,

1506
02:26:48,500 --> 02:26:49,520
It's I

1507
02:26:51,760 --> 02:27:00,140
just don't know what else to address on here as far as yeah questions. I think the

1508
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:12,260
the big one I have is back to the noise level that's been a major major concern of this board

1509
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:23,330
especially in a location like this because it's a little different than the one we had earlier this

1510
02:27:23,330 --> 02:27:29,530
evening that you look at the map and you see you know they're claiming 20 houses

1511
02:27:29,530 --> 02:27:36,330
well there's there's a few more than 20 houses around this fairly fairly

1512
02:27:36,330 --> 02:27:47,380
substantially close and like I said that that to me is the biggest probably the

1513
02:27:47,380 --> 02:27:52,900
biggest issue and here again, I don't know as long as it's

1514
02:27:57,060 --> 02:28:00,040
contained inside, it might

1515
02:28:00,040 --> 02:28:07,360
work in this area, but we've turned quite honestly, it turned several down that have been

1516
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:16,660
this heavily residential in the area. I love the plant that's been put together but I'm

1517
02:28:16,660 --> 02:28:25,230
I'm not sure the, in my estimate, just from that standpoint.

1518
02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:30,050
Now if we can come up with some way to, and air again,

1519
02:28:30,170 --> 02:28:33,850
I don't know how you do it, out what we require,

1520
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:40,390
that it's all inside tape,

1521
02:28:42,450 --> 02:28:45,790
that noise didn't travel past.

1522
02:28:45,790 --> 02:28:51,850
That's the property lines, we haven't come up with the barrier of the fence I had.

1523
02:28:54,450 --> 02:28:58,650
Like I said, you've got some berms showed on there which greatly enhanced that.

1524
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:06,820
For my standpoint, that's one of the major concerns that I have.

1525
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:08,340
I don't know about the rest of the board

1526
02:29:10,490 --> 02:29:11,790
speaking for myself.

1527
02:29:16,170 --> 02:29:18,250
Any other questions coming from the board?

1528
02:29:19,730 --> 02:29:21,550
Is all the music going to be inside?

1529
02:29:21,550 --> 02:29:22,270
So

1530
02:29:24,510 --> 02:29:28,190
then ceremony, which will be more of a day?

1531
02:29:28,750 --> 02:29:28,870
Yeah,

1532
02:29:31,610 --> 02:29:33,330
the main notification letter you want to know.

1533
02:30:06,290 --> 02:30:27,630
18 notification letters one out, one of those was two plus and township and one of those was to the owner of the property. So 16 looks like the other feedback. No other feedback, but we had the, I mean, that was the same notification as the rezone. So I,

1534
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:36,390
and this was kind of last minute. I mean, we mentioned it at the last meeting.

1535
02:30:37,870 --> 02:30:38,430
I

1536
02:30:40,450 --> 02:30:44,290
mean, I mentioned that I heard tonight, I mean, the neighbors didn't have a chance

1537
02:30:44,290 --> 02:30:49,110
to hear what was presented at the Board of County Commission, which is why I made a notification

1538
02:30:49,110 --> 02:30:57,830
that the last meeting we had that this was coming up, the reconsideration that I also made

1539
02:30:57,830 --> 02:31:07,230
a comment about that put into, but I haven't heard from anybody specifically to the event

1540
02:31:08,330 --> 02:31:20,520
But I think all the probably because most of the same concerns were probably for the reason that's just my opinion, but that's, but I can't say why they're here.

1541
02:31:29,030 --> 02:31:29,830
Other questions?

1542
02:31:37,450 --> 02:31:41,890
Wait, barely on one time, unless the board has a question for you.

1543
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:45,790
Anything else?

1544
02:31:48,330 --> 02:31:48,790
Thank you, sir.

1545
02:31:52,370 --> 02:31:53,490
Stay up, anything dead?

1546
02:31:53,490 --> 02:32:01,470
I would just add again that you kind of already mentioned your concern, but for any of,

1547
02:32:01,770 --> 02:32:09,110
for either approval or denial, a nice statement of fact, to pass along to the Port Account

1548
02:32:09,110 --> 02:32:14,810
Commission to support the approval or denial is always good.

1549
02:32:14,810 --> 02:32:23,850
a good role of thumb as always, the staff report that I present, that you guys have, you

1550
02:32:23,850 --> 02:32:29,050
know, those are kind of the factors laid out. I mean, that could be used as a guideline

1551
02:32:29,050 --> 02:32:33,710
but I'm going to call those. I think one of the gentlemen during the rezone talked about

1552
02:32:33,710 --> 02:32:34,510
the gold rules.

1553
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:42,750
And I know, as someone said, what the staff report that you go through pretty well is the

1554
02:32:42,750 --> 02:32:43,250
list.

1555
02:32:43,250 --> 02:32:53,810
I'm not reading the questions, but we are, we are talking about everything from the staff report that I mentioned comes from those, those questions.

1556
02:32:54,090 --> 02:32:54,170
Yeah.

1557
02:32:56,260 --> 02:33:00,300
Was there anything in particular from the board when they sent this back?

1558
02:33:01,820 --> 02:33:08,520
This was, this wasn't sent back, the next case was sent back, the one we put on after that.

1559
02:33:08,520 --> 02:33:17,740
So in that was because there was a plan presented at the time for the reason, but it was and it is after talking to Mr.

1560
02:33:17,880 --> 02:33:27,780
Hurley contention on the approval of, you know, whether or not he buys the property contention on the approval of this case.

1561
02:33:28,360 --> 02:33:28,620
I'm

1562
02:33:31,980 --> 02:33:33,620
not confusing and

1563
02:33:38,770 --> 02:33:46,910
I will mention more more time just to clarify I did not get into specifics about the roadway as far as whether or not

1564
02:33:46,910 --> 02:33:53,850
Mr. Hurley paid for the entire improvement, whether they would be for that or not,

1565
02:33:54,070 --> 02:34:00,650
but it was specifically to whether they'd be willing to, because they had discussed

1566
02:34:00,650 --> 02:34:06,550
cost sharing or anything like that. So as far as improvements and they were not willing to

1567
02:34:07,550 --> 02:34:14,710
to probably go forward with that, but I can always revisit with them if that's a big deal and

1568
02:34:15,630 --> 02:34:20,690
find out specifically if they have any issues with the maintenance if the county

1569
02:34:20,690 --> 02:34:26,350
worked to require that it that'll be chipped sealed or paved or whatever.

1570
02:34:35,520 --> 02:34:43,120
No other questions, chair of close public caring, chair will entertain a motion and or discussion on C2506.

1571
02:35:01,390 --> 02:35:17,810
The motion was much as it is just a comment, but I was in there for the meeting. When this came in front of everybody at the first time, that I would not disagree with the comment there. At some point in time, it was realistic. It was going to be a development.

1572
02:35:20,430 --> 02:35:31,510
And when you look at it and conjectually, the comprehensive plan of the development in the future, the comprehensive plan is headed. And then where we're at, not a process, that would be good.

1573
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:44,940
We're pretty well wrapped, I would say, that I'll probably sure have some bearing and

1574
02:35:44,940 --> 02:35:45,480
the decision.

1575
02:35:47,180 --> 02:35:53,000
But if I'm understanding you correctly, there'll be this particular applicant if he can

1576
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:59,900
obtain the condition he used for me, this plaque that's confronted us on another motion

1577
02:36:03,760 --> 02:36:12,720
So where gets messy is obviously the Board of County Commission can override the planning commissions by a majority vote.

1578
02:36:18,670 --> 02:36:25,350
So it gets a little dicey but I mean in essence if you were to deny the conditional use,

1579
02:36:28,930 --> 02:36:33,490
then we don't really have plans then, I mean, that's what I would have to present.

1580
02:36:34,650 --> 02:36:54,210
So you would have to consider, so it's good to still consider them separately, to some extent, but the main reason they sent the next case back for reconsideration was the fact that we now have plans that the board, the planning board did not consider at that time.

1581
02:36:54,830 --> 02:36:55,950
for the rezone.

1582
02:36:58,870 --> 02:37:00,970
Well, I guess at the,

1583
02:37:03,620 --> 02:37:08,760
I mean there's two trains that thought on this, I guess, to an extent.

1584
02:37:12,860 --> 02:37:16,460
I understand some of the concern with the event venue.

1585
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:21,460
But the flip side of that too is, you know, when it's developed and based on the

1586
02:37:21,460 --> 02:37:31,380
the reason that it goes to recommend I'm wrong but there's nothing saying that it

1587
02:37:31,380 --> 02:37:38,000
couldn't be more densely developed and what they're requesting with this

1588
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:44,280
particular proposal. Yeah so I mean I understand that that would involve a

1589
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:46,080
different planning in a different process.

1590
02:37:46,340 --> 02:37:46,500
Correct.

1591
02:37:48,040 --> 02:37:52,920
You know, I guess as we look at things from a

1592
02:37:52,920 --> 02:37:53,560
little

1593
02:37:56,150 --> 02:38:00,690
higher, little broader perspective on this,

1594
02:38:04,750 --> 02:38:06,830
there's some of those things that maybe can be

1595
02:38:06,830 --> 02:38:07,410
consideration.

1596
02:38:09,170 --> 02:38:11,070
So, I don't know if I heard you correctly,

1597
02:38:11,310 --> 02:38:13,130
but if you're saying that for whatever reason,

1598
02:38:13,130 --> 02:38:20,010
and then you did not. We denied it in the land stayed at some point. That language would

1599
02:38:20,010 --> 02:38:24,770
be developed. There would be more plots. Maybe I'm playing seven eight houses versus.

1600
02:38:25,250 --> 02:38:31,410
But I'm saying that I think that's a real possibility. Yeah. No, I agree. You know, as we move forward.

1601
02:38:34,050 --> 02:38:42,490
And you know, I don't know where that line is between what is detrimental and beneficial to

1602
02:38:42,490 --> 02:38:45,750
neighboring landowners. Nor do I don't think any of us do.

1603
02:38:50,140 --> 02:38:52,000
They're just talking

1604
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:55,180
out loud of all scenarios.

1605
02:38:57,980 --> 02:39:00,920
We turned one of these down. It wasn't too far from

1606
02:39:00,920 --> 02:39:08,400
there. It was kind of buttoned up against Flint Hills, remember that? Yeah. Same

1607
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:13,820
type of proposal. That one. I remember that.

1608
02:39:16,320 --> 02:39:16,500
Maybe a little bit of

1609
02:39:16,500 --> 02:39:20,580
I was, the road was really bad, yeah.

1610
02:39:21,100 --> 02:39:23,760
I don't think they could get too far through that one area.

1611
02:39:31,060 --> 02:39:35,160
And I can say, there are a lot of ways to also get one

1612
02:39:35,160 --> 02:39:36,600
on the same thing, Lake Road.

1613
02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,160
Yes, that was just the end of the weekend.

1614
02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:43,660
I didn't even know what to do.

1615
02:39:48,290 --> 02:39:56,690
But so I do think there has to be some consideration.

1616
02:39:56,690 --> 02:39:59,250
but in the side of the bed.

1617
02:40:00,690 --> 02:40:23,790
We've had, we've had a request for things in development in places that probably we didn't make as much sense, and we're not boundable or miles of gravel, we're not 10 miles from down in the machine. There's,

1618
02:40:27,120 --> 02:40:37,000
I think there's a bigger picture in the overall scheme of things that we have to look at, not to dismiss any of these people's thoughts or feelings.

1619
02:40:37,000 --> 02:40:47,740
are all they, you know, to extent, sometimes, you know, to their detriment, things grow into

1620
02:40:47,740 --> 02:40:54,580
them, I guess. And I don't know as though there is a perfect answer and a perfect scenario,

1621
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:58,440
there's not a perfect answer or scenario to it.

1622
02:41:02,460 --> 02:41:04,980
And not that I'm making a motion, you know,

1623
02:41:04,980 --> 02:41:15,500
just kind of talking out loud through some things because I can see both sides of the

1624
02:41:15,500 --> 02:41:15,780
fence.

1625
02:41:15,980 --> 02:41:22,080
And I hope that these people fully understand that we don't miss anything that they

1626
02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:24,940
setting. But

1627
02:41:28,010 --> 02:41:32,310
there's two sides to every corner.

1628
02:41:38,410 --> 02:41:42,170
Kind of like the last menu. Have the option

1629
02:41:42,170 --> 02:41:54,710
to let it proceed to operating with no lab user laws versus guidance and guideline.

1630
02:41:54,710 --> 02:41:58,770
You know, is this a similar situation here?

1631
02:41:58,910 --> 02:42:00,390
Bill, that's some guidance in guideline,

1632
02:42:00,810 --> 02:42:02,710
and we're able to, you know,

1633
02:42:02,930 --> 02:42:06,130
somewhat control the population within that area?

1634
02:42:10,710 --> 02:42:15,970
Yeah, I'm, I don't see this the same as you.

1635
02:42:16,050 --> 02:42:18,410
No, there's, there's some difference in the,

1636
02:42:18,850 --> 02:42:23,510
the biggest, the biggest struggle that I,

1637
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:40,750
quite honestly that property is too ripe for development in my estimations to waste

1638
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:46,200
20 acres on an

1639
02:42:46,200 --> 02:42:52,620
event center, type scenario, we could put in, you

1640
02:42:55,020 --> 02:42:57,480
could come off of that and put in four

1641
02:42:57,480 --> 02:42:58,720
or five lots.

1642
02:43:00,920 --> 02:43:07,880
Here again, the thing that is the proximity, I mean, these guys earlier

1643
02:43:07,880 --> 02:43:17,040
tonight were talking miles away. And within a half mile, you've got thousands of people,

1644
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:23,520
or not that hundreds of people, for an event venue whereas if it's finally developed

1645
02:43:24,120 --> 02:43:25,180
for residential,

1646
02:43:31,570 --> 02:43:37,690
I've got no problem with that, but I'm struggling with the event in the

1647
02:43:38,250 --> 02:43:41,270
proximity to basically Rose Hill.

1648
02:43:42,830 --> 02:43:43,510
There.

1649
02:43:44,250 --> 02:43:50,110
And I get where you're saying that there's also an argument about that, that this is no more

1650
02:43:50,110 --> 02:43:53,810
They see the encounter that was in the 18 or 20 houses, either way.

1651
02:43:55,470 --> 02:43:55,990
No,

1652
02:44:02,650 --> 02:44:12,170
not saying either way is right or wrong in just saying that there is the argument that these people, or somebody else may make, that says, well,

1653
02:44:25,010 --> 02:44:35,790
they said it is wish and technology soon hopefully catches to where we can build a sonic barrier around it.

1654
02:44:35,790 --> 02:44:41,890
music stays within 200 feet of the building and the neighbors don't even know it's

1655
02:44:41,890 --> 02:44:46,130
there, but you know we can do a lot of things when we haven't come up with that

1656
02:44:46,130 --> 02:44:50,970
when you go. I'll have to invent that. You should. Just come up with that. Thank God.

1657
02:44:53,790 --> 02:44:54,230
It's

1658
02:45:55,820 --> 02:46:03,900
I just listed the hours of operation. I saw the cars operation but I didn't see anything. I don't think there was any music

1659
02:46:09,180 --> 02:46:33,100
or noise would be stopped at a certain time. I didn't say that I didn't even know if I was just overlooking it. I just listed it as one of my suggested conditions would be no music outdoors, I pretend. But I mean, noise is a, it's tough to narrow down.

1660
02:46:38,320 --> 02:46:48,410
I do find that a little bit, we talked about the EDJs and things like that, but then I

1661
02:46:48,410 --> 02:46:55,650
do notice the very specific instances where there's been venues that have been approved

1662
02:46:55,650 --> 02:47:05,370
by the city that's set in the county, you know, but the city's EDJ and cities have a completely

1663
02:47:05,370 --> 02:47:11,910
different view on this. I mean they say well we're not, we're not going to fit any kind of

1664
02:47:11,910 --> 02:47:15,710
guidelines on when you have to shut the music off because that's inhibiting your ability to do

1665
02:47:15,710 --> 02:47:26,690
business and then that gets thrown to us in County. Right. So completely off the subway. Yeah and

1666
02:47:26,690 --> 02:47:32,070
those I typically you know if I get notification of those I just take them in front of the board

1667
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:38,070
Board of County Commission, basically with what information I could gather to give the

1668
02:47:38,070 --> 02:47:45,390
best recommendation to the city, then, as far as whether the county felt like it would

1669
02:47:45,390 --> 02:47:52,110
meet or not meet, or if the county had any issues with it, but yeah, it would also go

1670
02:47:52,110 --> 02:47:58,450
through their boards, the application's actually made specifically with Augusta and El Dorado,

1671
02:47:58,450 --> 02:48:09,650
So this is what I think you're talking about, right, with our in all of our agreement and those applications actually go through those cities, so they actually make application with them and they go through their boards.

1672
02:48:10,570 --> 02:48:26,030
So I get as much information, I do get notified by Augusta and them and then I take it to the board of county commission to at least present what I have them and then pass on whether or not the county is or against it.

1673
02:48:27,370 --> 02:48:29,950
or if they see any concerns with it.

1674
02:48:43,800 --> 02:48:45,660
Good. You're cutting into my nap time.

1675
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:46,220
I know.

1676
02:48:48,220 --> 02:48:49,960
Well, right, wrong or indifferent.

1677
02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:51,900
I'm going to get us off top of that.

1678
02:48:52,180 --> 02:48:52,720
There you go.

1679
02:48:53,020 --> 02:48:57,740
So, Mr. and I may need a little help along the way.

1680
02:48:59,880 --> 02:49:05,880
I'm going to make a motion to approve CD2506.

1681
02:49:05,880 --> 02:49:14,980
We have the stipulations that Toby has outlined in page 9.

1682
02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:16,520
I'm sorry.

1683
02:49:16,760 --> 02:49:22,760
He's got some on page 9 as the one folder under item 10.

1684
02:49:23,660 --> 02:49:30,200
Hours of operation, no music outdoors after 10 p.m.,

1685
02:49:30,200 --> 02:49:31,880
all parking will be on-site.

1686
02:49:32,080 --> 02:49:33,780
Do you need me to go through and read these two areas

1687
02:49:33,780 --> 02:49:39,080
for know you with what I'm saying. I would buy you with them so just if you have any changes with them,

1688
02:49:39,300 --> 02:49:48,510
they're not. The only thing that would be is because the one that we talked earlier and I know this

1689
02:49:48,510 --> 02:49:56,470
is a different type situation but there was no music after ten outdoors or otherwise. The music was

1690
02:49:56,470 --> 02:49:59,890
shut it to you and I'm buying

1691
02:50:00,270 --> 02:50:29,430
Yes. Okay. I mean, so let's branch the word out the words to write on the short tales of what everybody is saying. I think what everybody is saying is some of these people like these applicants have particular that want to put in the venue in a more highly densely populated area are going to have to come to the concessions of what they need to do to try and get along with some neighbors, or don't build it.

1692
02:50:30,050 --> 02:50:33,070
But here it is, if you want to do it, this is what we'll do.

1693
02:50:33,470 --> 02:50:36,070
If you can't comply with that, focus on something.

1694
02:50:43,710 --> 02:50:50,410
So, to finish my motion, approval based on these stipulations

1695
02:50:51,150 --> 02:50:57,030
with all music to cease at 10pm, indoors or outdoors,

1696
02:50:58,010 --> 02:51:02,250
including any amplification of anything.

1697
02:51:02,250 --> 02:51:02,490
Anything

1698
02:51:07,680 --> 02:51:14,600
concerning the roadways and the agreements between the township and them.

1699
02:51:15,880 --> 02:51:22,280
I guess I feel like whatever they come up with, between the two of them, I'm fine with.

1700
02:51:24,140 --> 02:51:29,800
There has been conversation, which most certainly there hasn't even been conversation.

1701
02:51:32,910 --> 02:51:35,310
The parties know each other, at least know of each other.

1702
02:51:46,670 --> 02:51:47,630
Anything else, Tony?

1703
02:51:47,630 --> 02:51:50,110
I don't mean that we've told you that we've done it.

1704
02:51:50,530 --> 02:51:57,070
No, just if you had a reason for approval that I could pass on.

1705
02:52:00,800 --> 02:52:04,780
Be useful and bright and say because that's it, so okay.

1706
02:52:05,080 --> 02:52:13,940
Well, I mean, because, to an extent, I feel like there's a lot of legitimacy to the fact

1707
02:52:13,940 --> 02:52:15,740
that it's going to get developed, okay?

1708
02:52:15,740 --> 02:52:26,040
Okay, whether it's strung full of houses or a mix of conditionally used permit and residential

1709
02:52:28,020 --> 02:52:36,120
it's kind of perfect and I don't personally I don't know as though this operated accordingly

1710
02:52:36,120 --> 02:52:41,940
and in accordance with guidelines we set forth as any more in cumbersome on a community

1711
02:52:41,940 --> 02:52:46,960
of people then somebody flattened it into 16 or 20 different houses.

1712
02:52:47,500 --> 02:52:47,680
Perfect.

1713
02:52:48,060 --> 02:52:52,560
Start adding up to noise on everybody having a deck party on the 4th of July and see what

1714
02:52:52,560 --> 02:52:52,860
happens.

1715
02:52:56,790 --> 02:52:57,330
Thank you, sir.

1716
02:53:00,680 --> 02:53:01,520
Is there a second?

1717
02:53:02,040 --> 02:53:03,040
Andy on the motion.

1718
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:04,740
Is there a second?

1719
02:53:07,340 --> 02:53:07,960
No, second.

1720
02:53:08,800 --> 02:53:10,140
Christy on the 2nd?

1721
02:53:11,240 --> 02:53:12,440
Further discussion.

1722
02:53:15,960 --> 02:53:17,060
Putting procedures criminal.

1723
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:17,760
Against.

1724
02:53:18,400 --> 02:53:18,780
Favourite.

1725
02:53:19,180 --> 02:53:19,700
Favour.

1726
02:53:20,180 --> 02:53:20,460
Against.

1727
02:53:25,380 --> 02:53:26,060
Okay,

1728
02:53:31,120 --> 02:53:45,090
now we need the three that voted against to give reasonings to Toby so that can commissioners know that side of it.

1729
02:53:46,630 --> 02:53:49,270
I just don't believe it's a good location for an event.

1730
02:53:50,530 --> 02:53:52,570
Senator, the proximity works out.

1731
02:53:57,230 --> 02:53:58,090
That was my reasoning.

1732
02:54:00,620 --> 02:54:01,960
David, anything to add?

1733
02:54:02,180 --> 02:54:03,160
No, okay.

1734
02:54:03,880 --> 02:54:04,960
You get that too.

1735
02:54:08,690 --> 02:54:10,490
So at this time...

1736
02:54:10,490 --> 02:54:12,130
So do we need a motion to deny

1737
02:54:12,130 --> 02:54:14,650
or it's just a failure of the motion you didn't know?

1738
02:54:15,010 --> 02:54:18,190
Well, see, that's what I've always struggled with in these cases.

1739
02:54:18,730 --> 02:54:21,370
I've usually asked for a motion to deny.

1740
02:54:22,130 --> 02:54:24,770
I would ask for another motion just to make it.

1741
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:25,150
Okay.

1742
02:54:26,710 --> 02:54:28,990
And don't you guys go and change your...

1743
02:54:28,990 --> 02:54:29,950
I'm

1744
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:36,840
looking at you, Bryce,

1745
02:54:36,840 --> 02:54:38,420
And then I'm going to start looking at the Kermits.

1746
02:54:38,440 --> 02:54:39,860
I'm going to second Kermits.

1747
02:54:40,140 --> 02:54:41,380
I'll make a motion to it with nine.

1748
02:54:41,640 --> 02:54:42,100
There you go.

1749
02:54:42,260 --> 02:54:43,900
Kermits on the motion to the second.

1750
02:54:45,020 --> 02:54:46,180
Bryce on the second.

1751
02:54:48,750 --> 02:54:49,990
Any further discussion?

1752
02:54:50,690 --> 02:54:52,310
The motion is to deny.

1753
02:54:52,910 --> 02:54:54,290
Then I'm in favor of that.

1754
02:54:55,550 --> 02:54:56,170
I guess.

1755
02:54:58,400 --> 02:54:59,840
See if we made this as clear.

1756
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:01,300
Using as we possibly did.

1757
02:55:05,800 --> 02:55:11,760
So three to again, in favor of the motion. And you have the

1758
02:55:11,760 --> 02:55:19,580
reasonings on the prior one, which can this be? Yep. Main reason and not a good location

1759
02:55:19,580 --> 02:55:22,580
for the event. Okay.

1760
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:30,320
The next question then I guess would be to the applicant, are you

1761
02:55:30,320 --> 02:55:33,820
We even consider, want us to consider the reason of this time.

1762
02:55:34,860 --> 02:55:35,900
Just because it's the night.

1763
02:55:38,720 --> 02:55:38,840
No,

1764
02:55:41,160 --> 02:55:47,500
this is chair, this is the right, it takes a super majority from the county commissioners to approve it.

1765
02:55:47,900 --> 02:55:51,040
So, yes, so I

1766
02:55:55,780 --> 02:56:01,820
can go, I can go back through what, again, Paul and Daniel Dickens on track of land 40 plus or minus acres.

1767
02:56:02,120 --> 02:56:06,060
Property is located east of Southwest County line on Southwest 16th Street.

1768
02:56:07,380 --> 02:56:09,340
The property is currently zone day 40.

1769
02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:15,020
The owner wishes to reason the property to RE on 10th, 7th, 2025, the planning commission

1770
02:56:15,020 --> 02:56:19,900
did hear the case recommending to the Board of County commissioners denial by stating that

1771
02:56:19,900 --> 02:56:24,400
the main reasons for denial was that no future plans for the property had been disclosed.

1772
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:31,640
On 10th, 28th, 2025, the Board of County commissioners did review the case again before the case

1773
02:56:31,640 --> 02:56:35,360
case again was presented, staff learned the property was under contract for the purchase

1774
02:56:36,420 --> 02:56:37,740
for the event venue.

1775
02:56:39,580 --> 02:56:44,380
At that meeting, they did hear from Mr. Hurley who also presented the idea of a smaller

1776
02:56:44,380 --> 02:56:45,900
size plotting on the property.

1777
02:56:48,820 --> 02:56:54,800
The Board of County Commissioners did vote to remain the case back to the planning commissioners

1778
02:56:55,960 --> 02:56:59,100
planning commission just to consider the new plans.

1779
02:57:00,600 --> 02:57:06,760
So, as spoken, contingent property over coal hurly has submitted the site plan.

1780
02:57:07,140 --> 02:57:13,960
The site plan did note that if the event venue was approved, he would like to plot the property into four lots.

1781
02:57:14,660 --> 02:57:23,480
One lot would contain the event venue and two other lots would contain single family dwellings for him and his family.

1782
02:57:23,480 --> 02:57:31,480
The lot sizes would range from 6.67 acres to 16.65 acres.

1783
02:57:33,840 --> 02:57:38,540
And I do believe Mr. Hurley did mention that he would consider three lots as well.

1784
02:57:41,860 --> 02:57:46,360
The property again would be serviced by rural water and be accessed by an interior roadway

1785
02:57:46,360 --> 02:57:47,300
if that were to happen.

1786
02:57:49,720 --> 02:57:54,100
Again, it should be understood that the rezoning of the property is not contented on the approval

1787
02:57:54,100 --> 02:57:56,720
of the conditional use for an event venue.

1788
02:57:57,360 --> 02:58:01,680
However, Mr. Hurley did make it clear that he did not intend to purchase it if it was

1789
02:58:01,680 --> 02:58:03,560
not approved by the Board of County commissioners.

1790
02:58:07,600 --> 02:58:10,000
Again, the property is located inside the urban growth area.

1791
02:58:10,960 --> 02:58:14,060
The county appropriated by Act 40 in our our zone properties.

1792
02:58:14,080 --> 02:58:18,920
The property does fall within Rose Hill's extraterrestrial jurisdiction and there are similar

1793
02:58:18,920 --> 02:58:20,160
in the area.

1794
02:58:23,480 --> 02:58:29,140
Just to recap, because the property does fall within Rose Hill's ETJ staff did reach out to the city.

1795
02:58:29,360 --> 02:58:39,780
They had no concerns at the time. The future plotting of the property were to occur and that they would prefer any application be made through the county.

1796
02:58:40,680 --> 02:58:46,120
And then rehashing some of the original concerns. There were many of them.

1797
02:58:47,660 --> 02:58:52,560
Staff had received phone calls and letters and oppositions to propose changes to the zoning.

1798
02:58:53,500 --> 02:58:58,620
And staff had general, I generalize, but they were worried about construction disruption,

1799
02:58:58,940 --> 02:59:05,360
just transformational zoning, the shift in the character of the community, setback requirements

1800
02:59:05,360 --> 02:59:07,020
and the change of zoning would change.

1801
02:59:07,220 --> 02:59:12,620
So I've saw setbacks reducing the usable area of the land, loss of operational flexibility

1802
02:59:12,620 --> 02:59:15,400
facility for the expansion of agricultural operations,

1803
02:59:16,040 --> 02:59:18,280
agricultural plant risk, more traffic noise,

1804
02:59:19,000 --> 02:59:20,820
more vehicles, more pets, light pollution,

1805
02:59:21,320 --> 02:59:23,640
wildlife displacement, property devaluation,

1806
02:59:23,960 --> 02:59:27,550
that generalize most of them.

1807
02:59:28,730 --> 02:59:32,870
So yes, we are considering, I guess, Mr. Hurley's plans

1808
02:59:32,870 --> 02:59:37,250
are the new or what plans that we have to reconsider.

1809
02:59:37,950 --> 02:59:42,170
So your recommendation right now for the event venue

1810
02:59:42,170 --> 02:59:45,690
is denied, but it is just a recommendation to the Board of County Commission.

1811
02:59:45,850 --> 02:59:48,350
They do have final decision whether to approve or do not.

1812
02:59:50,280 --> 02:59:55,680
But is it not pointless to reason this or to change the zoning on this?

1813
02:59:56,200 --> 02:59:59,960
The original zoning was denied because...

1814
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:02,080
There was no other planning.