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Good morning. We'll call this meeting to order the Butte County Board of Supervisors this October 28, 2025.

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I will have Supervisor Connolly lead us in the pledge.

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Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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It is our custom here at the Board of Supervisors at the beginning of every

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meeting to offer a moment of silence, so if you would join me in that.

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Okay, thank you.

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With that, we will go through a few housekeeping items. There are agendas printed on blue paper

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on that back small table, if you'd like to follow along. Also, if you'd like to comment

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on anything on the agenda, we welcome public comment here. We allow three minutes for

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public comment per person. Please fill out one of those yellow cards if you'd like

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to comment. Indicate on that card if you want to speak on a certain agenda item.

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They all have numbers. You can put that number down or if there we have a time

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when there's just general public comment you can put down general public

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comment and we will call you to the podium but please bring those up to

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Melissa. Melissa Kitz, there she is. Don't be shy, just bring them up to

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her.

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With that, I'm going to read a quick paragraph in regards to rules of decorum here at the

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Board of Supervisors meeting.

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The Board of Supervisors welcomes the public to its meetings and encourages and appreciates

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public engagement.

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The Board of Supervisors expects members of the public to act in a courteous, civil

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and respectful manner and not make personal, impertinent, slanderous or profane remarks

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to any member of the board, staff or general public.

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The Board of Supervisors will not tolerate loud, threatening, personal or abusive language

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or disorderly conduct, which disturbs, disrupts or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct of the board meetings.

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Violations of these rules of decorum will result in the meeting being recessed for a period of time.

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With that, when you do have public comment, there's a series of lights on the podium.

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Green means you have time left.

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Yellow means you have 30 seconds left.

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And when the red button goes on and the alarm goes off, we would ask you to stop.

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Thank you very much.

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With that, we'll move on to Item 2.1, Corrections, Changes to the Agenda.

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I have one item of note, and that is item 4.3. That's the appointment to assessment appeals board.

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One of the applications was inadvertently left off of the attachments.

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So that is now available on the back table, and it's on your days. Other than that, we are ready to proceed.

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Okay. Thank you very much.

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Item 2.2 is announcement of recusal. So is there any board member that wants to recuse themselves or anything on the agenda?

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Okay, seeing none, we will move on to the Consent Agenda.

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Does any Board of Supervisor want to remove anything from the Consent Agenda?

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Seeing none, is there any public comment on the Consent Agenda?

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Yes, we received an email comment from John Stonebreaker for Item 3.1G,

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and I have one card from John Stonebreaker for 3.8A.

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Good morning, John.

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Good morning, Chair.

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I'd prefer to just send emails on the consented items, but I do want to say that

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item 3.8A, the contract with truly or probably should not be on the consent

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agenda. It's quite nuanced. So earlier this year our sheriff gave a deep and

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profound presentation on navigating the fine line between federal directives

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and state law. And here again we need to navigate between the Silla and

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of understaffing and the risks of so-called AI.

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So due to the deletion of positions within the sheriff's office

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and the struggles to restaff, the remaining deputies are required

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to do more work, and it is reasonable to augment their capacity

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with machine learning tools.

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So, for example, the transcription of body camera audio

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video is busy work for the deputies and the sort of thing that a computer can do well.

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But the sort of natural language processing that this requires has privacy implications

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that are not being fully acknowledged in the staff report.

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So understanding each deputies' accent and what is a road name and parts of speech

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and all of these things, that for this algorithm to work well, it needs to continue to learn.

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And even though the raster scan scope of work says that the contractor will not retain county data

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beyond the scope necessary to perform this contract, it is challenging to do so

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when this contractor is using open AI models.

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So, given the situation that the sheriff's office is currently in, and certainly the patrol module and the investigations model, which the sheriff has chosen, will cover some of the shortages in the office.

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But the county really needs to set better policy about the risks of so-called AI and the implications and the long-term consequences of having all of this data being uploaded to the cloud.

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It's the same thing with the fraud cameras we understand are necessary for certain investigations, but sending all of that data to a third party creates this dragnet.

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and it is very difficult from a computer programmer's perspective to ensure that citizens' privacy rights are being respected.

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Thank you, John. Are there other cards for public comment?

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I have no further cards.

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Okay, we'll close public comment. Wishes of the board on the consent agenda?

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Move approval consent.

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Okay, we have a motion. Is there a second?

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Second.

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Okay, we have a motion second. All those in favor?

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Opposed?

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Okay, that passes. We have one resolution recognizing November as National Adoption Awareness Month.

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If I could have Tiffany Rowe, Director of Employment and Social Services come to the podium.

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And I'll read this today. Tiffany, it's very short, so that's why I'm going to read it, okay?

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No big words.

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No big words that I can't pronounce.

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This is a resolution recognized in November 2025 as Adoption Awareness Month.

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Whereas Butte County recognizes that all children deserve a home that provides them with support, security, kindness and love.

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And whereas in Butte County there are currently 344 children and youth in foster care.

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And whereas from January 1st, 2025 to October 31st, 2025, there were 40 adoptions finalized for Butte County children in foster care.

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During November 2025, an additional 11 adoptions will be finalized bringing the total to 51 adoptions in 2025.

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And whereas November has been designated as National Adoption Awareness Month and is declared

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so by the Presidential Proclamation each year, and now, therefore, let it be resolved that

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the Butte County Board of Supervisors hereby proclaims November 2025 as Adoption Awareness

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Month in Butte County, recognizing that every child deserves a permanent and loving family

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and encourages all citizens to consider adoption during the month of November and throughout

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the year.

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This is passed and adopted by the Butte County Board of Supervisors this 28th day of October

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2025 by the following vote.

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All five voted for this.

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So would you like to say a few words?

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Thank you, Chair Kemosly, members of the board.

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Observing November as National Adoption Awareness Month encourages others to learn

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about adoption.

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It highlights the importance of helping youth build positive relationships and promotes

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family, community, and cultural connections that provide a sense of belonging and long-term

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stability.

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I'm incredibly proud of the staff that work for Butte County Adoptions, and thank you

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for the support.

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You're welcome.

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We're very proud of the staff also that handles the adoptions and all of our staff.

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With that, I think we have kind of a new idea that will have the recipient come

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up here and take a picture with all of us.

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do you guys like that sure I'm the boss okay come on up Tiffany Christy is that

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okay I mean children are always yeah sure my little outline keep me on track

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Okay, next is item 4.1, we're moving on to the regular agenda now.

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Now, first is board member and committee reports.

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Who would like to begin?

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Go ahead.

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Supervisor Ritter.

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Since our last meeting, attended our first five executive committee meeting, our Passages

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Advisory Council meeting, our Butte County Department of Behavioral Health advisory meeting,

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and I'll just put out that we're still looking for youth advisory board members.

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They can be up to the age of 26, and there's up to two positions for that.

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that. Attended our NACO West meeting. I remotely attended our senior leadership event that

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was held in Reading that our Director Rowe was one of the presenters and represented

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county beautifully and it was just a fantastic event.

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Attended an online training from the

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California Association of Local Behavioral Health Boards and Commissions, attended the

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ribbon cutting of the new e-center, which is based in U of the City but serves this

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region. I met with one of our contractors regarding a fire contract, attended our monthly continuum

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of care meeting, the NAACP meeting, our monthly rural local master plan on aging advisory

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committee meeting, Butte County Air Quality and BCAG was a panelist for our League of

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Women Voters Fall Forum.

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Tonight, I'll be attending a training that's put on by our desk department for foster

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families and there are some incredible free trainings that are available to the community

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and you don't have to be a current foster parent to attend them so I encourage people

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to check that out.

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This Thursday the Howard Slater Navigation Center is having its opening so for any of

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you who are in Chico that would be a great thing to attend.

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On the 5th, we'll be having our local government committee meeting at 11 in Chico, and remember

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to vote on the 4th.

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So, yeah.

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Thank you.

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Supervisor Connelly, are you ready?

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Sure.

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Okay.

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Attended Butte County Farm Bureau Awards event last night.

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I had a meeting with a sheriff and code enforcement about code enforcement enforcement, how's that?

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I did miss the Pluramo drainage master plan, but I understand it went very well with a lot

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of public input.

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Attended the Wine.GSA meeting.

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I attended the Orville Citizens Advisory Commission along with Supervisor Kimmelchew,

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we're using the science instead.

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Study by Robert Bateman and Matt Mentech, we did a pretty complete argument about putting

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public safety at the Warville Dam as a priority over water delivery, and I think it seemed

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to be well received by Carlin Nemeth, the head of DWR, and at least they said they would

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listen to our argument and our facts, so we'll see going forward. It's a complicated

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issue by they're going to rely on climate forecast and they want to shrink

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the ability to prevent flooding and times that they predict drier annual

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precipitation but we're urging caution because if you make a mistake that'll

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put us in a deeper flood than we would have been before and that's a

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simplification of it. I've got to give Matt Mentech and Robert Bateman a lot of credit

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for the work they do. And I'd like to again say that Supervisor Kimos, who is very supportive

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and gave a pretty good argument for our case. Thank you for that. And a really good argument

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actually. Tended BCAG and air quality. And of course I had the usual 10 or so constituent

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issues ranging from trash or neighbor complaints and so forth and that's what I have for today.

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Thank you.

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And I just wanted to add to that is that on our next Lake Orville Citizens Advisory Commission

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meeting on the agenda will be relicensing.

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So anybody who wants to speak on that, it's a good commission and Supervisor Connolly

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has been a big part of that. So with that, Supervisor Durfee, you've been doing anything?

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A couple things here and there. Okay.

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This morning I chaired our investment pool oversight

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committee meeting downstairs. I met with our local chapter of CAL FIRE 2881. I met with my

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Butte County Housing Authority appointee, which was a great meeting, and I continued to learn

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more and more about the Butte County Housing Authority and things I like and things I maybe

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don't care for, but that's why we meet.

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I met with my planning commissioner and BCAG and then again, like the rest of us, you

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know, we have people come into the office, spoke with a couple of meetings with folks

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and like Supervisor Ritter said, make sure everybody votes, vote, vote, vote, only

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vote once.

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Vote.

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Early and often.

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Thank you.

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Supervisor Teeter.

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Supervisor Conley and I attended an ad hoc meeting last night on co-enforcement issues.

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Sheriff was there.

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Kind of a huge challenge of people that are living in non-compliant housing situations

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and the effect upon neighbors.

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I wish we had the magic wand to fix the issue, but going forward or working with staff and

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trying to come up with some solutions.

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All right.

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I attended many of the same meetings that many of my colleagues did.

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Also, there was a grand opening of the college farm store and facility there for conferences.

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It was a really nice event.

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We did get money from the state of California to build that building.

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I'm glad we did because I don't think there's much money coming from the state of California

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for much anymore.

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So if you get a chance, go out to the college farm.

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It's a great facility.

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Like you said, there's a farm store out there.

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Many of the commodities that are produced on the college farm are available for sale.

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with that I will end my comments and we will move on to public comment and we're

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going to allow 15 minutes for public comment and if there's more than 15

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minutes we will do it at the end of the meeting so we will go till 25 till if

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that makes sense and so who do we have well first we receive an email comment

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from Diane and Drice and I have four cards starting with Julie Three followed by Diane and Drice.

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Morning, Ms. Three.

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Morning, County Board of Supervisors. You actually received eight e-mails from comments from me as well.

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New pre-print Moderna found impurities in the honors of lipids.

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Butte County administered 130,505 doses of Moderna including 144 little children under six injected with this poison.

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Julie Three here to advocate for the vaccine injury being one of them.

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91% of Moderna mRNA shot recipients develop cardiovascular side effects.

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I pull the VAERS data for you people.

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The most administered Moderna lot that my retinas detached, 042L20A, 48 people are dead.

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17 ways mRNA shots may cause cancer, COVID-19 vaccines cause more American deaths than World

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War I, World War II, and Vietnam combined, that's just four of the eight I sent.

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You're also withholding really important and honest information about healing modalities.

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So the spike protein problem, I'm with a company called

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Medicinal's Nine trying out their spike protein detox protocols.

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When I met with Todd Kimmelstreet, thank you very much for meeting with me, sir.

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COVID-19 injections, harms and damages. This is a huge report, a peer reviewed study.

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153 citations. I'm just going to read the first sentence.

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Far from benign, these vaccines have unleashed profound harm, disrupting nearly every system

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of the human body and contributing to unprecedented levels of morbidity and mortality. From auto

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immune diseases and cardiovascular catastrophes to pregnancy complications and aggressive cancers,

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the pattern of systemic toxicity cannot be dismissed as coincidental. Urgent scrutiny

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and accountability are needed. This board is complicit in so much harm and damage from these

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vaccines. My 45th public comment before you guys in four years. I'm now just going to read

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from 2 Thessalonians 8-12. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus

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will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroyed by the splendor of his coming.

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The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will

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use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie and

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all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because

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they refuse to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them

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a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie, and so that all will be condemned

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who have not believed the truth, that have delighted and wickedness. This is a battle

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of good versus evil, pro-God versus no-God. We're on the side of pro-God, me and Diana.

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You're all on the side of no-God. You need to get right with this. You need to think

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about this. When I leave here today, you need to pull these shots off the market

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and start being honest with your people.

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Thank you for your comments.

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I think we'll say that.

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Ms. Dries?

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Up next, Diana Dries, followed by Rory Summers.

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Good morning, Ms. Dries.

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When the Board of Supervisors promoted the COVID-19 shot as safe and effective, you failed to tell the public, like the Alliance of Indigenous Nations International Tribunal Court did.

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COVID-19 injections contain heavy metal contaminants and self-assembly nanotechnology has been

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found in the vaccinated and the unvaccinated through shedding. They also found countless

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tiny sharp metal objects and stainless steel fragments in the vials. The most serious

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concern about the C-19 injections is the hydrogel polymers that self-assemble and self-spread

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created by nanotechnologies. These nanotechnologies are called lipid nanoparticles,

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which include polyethylene glycol and SM-102. The growth of nanotechnology hydrogel

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polymers begin with activity from quantum dots, which blink and change color. Quantum

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dots, nano and micro robots, are nanoscale technology that can transmit information in

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act as biosensors. This activity is often followed by the aggregation of quantum dots

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that then break open and create ribbon-like filaments. These filaments are hydrogel polymers

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and invade the body by growing continuously, even after death. Later, the hydrogel transforms

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the blood into sheets of polymer plastic and forms clots. The blood clot of C19 vaccinated

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person shows remnants of blood fused with yellow, rubbery, plastic-like hydrogel substances.

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Polyethylene glycol is well-known choice for making bioplastics, which translates to harm

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in patients with significant amounts of hydrogel in their blood. All symptoms, called long COVID,

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which include brain fog, fatigue, shortness of breath, heart palpitations, and accelerated aging,

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are correlated with these blood findings.

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Humans are being transformed into transhumans without their consent.

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Hydrogel is an extremely versatile substance

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that can mimic any cell in the body, including the brain,

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but it doesn't just mimic cells, it replaces them.

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The growth of hydrogel sheets in human blood

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results in the reduction of natural blood cells.

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This change in the body is nothing less than transhumanism,

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and affected people are unwittingly being transformed without their consent.

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The tribunal hereby concludes that these heavy metal, polyethylene,

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poisons, toxins, nanotechnology, and biosensors are deliberate experiments

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on mankind and attempt to fuse synthetic control mechanisms

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into humans done without our consent,

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which has killed countless, they say 17 million, and named others.

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The mass application of COVID-19 injections to attempt to fuse mankind with technology is an experiment of pure evil.

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C-19 injections are an aggregation of poisons and nanotechnologies that cause a broad range of diseases, DNA devastations, and deaths.

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The tribunal finds that the COVID-19 injections are biological and technological weapons and mass destruction.

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See and assist the deadly shots and choose to inform the public.

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Thank you very much.

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Don't thank. Do. Work. Act.

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All right. Up next, Rory Summers, followed by John Stonebreaker.

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Hi. Miss Summers.

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Hi.

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Good to see you.

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Good to see you.

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I would like some photographs passed out, please.

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Oh, sure.

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There's five sets.

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There you go.

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All right.

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Hi. My name is Ray Summers. I live in the county. I'm at railroad avenue in Palermo.

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I live directly across homeless encampment. That was just the homeless people were evicted

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in August of this year. They were there approximately for about six to eight years.

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We have lived there since 1998 and I have ten children and in my older children I had seven.

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They all grew up.

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I adopted in 2019 three boys and those three boys have been unable to play over there

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because the homeless people have lived over there.

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Well, this year in August, they did remove all of the trailers and RVs,

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but when they did that, they left all the garbage.

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And the garbage has needles, the garbage has feces,

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the garbage has a refrigerator that still has a door on it.

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It has actually, a couple of weeks ago, a gentleman actually died out there of an overdose.

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There has been numerous problems out there, and yes, I have called the county.

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Yes, I have followed the directions of what I've been told to do.

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I have, I actually, a couple of years ago I was told it was the railroad property.

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I chased that lead down.

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I called the railroad county railroad company back east I contacted them and

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they said I'm sorry that we are responsible for a hundred feet on both

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sides of the railroad tracks and they did their due diligence and they did clean

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that then I was told it was the city I went to the city and they said no it's

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not then I was told it was the county that was a couple years ago it took

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them years to get the homeless people out of there like I said it was August of

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this year then I took pictures I went to Facebook then I went to the news

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yesterday I was on the news today I'm here I this is directly across the

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street from my house it goes to football fields or more from either way

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of my house. Something, I am pleading with you. Something has to be done. This is an endangerment.

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This is a health hazard. A child could go across the street and get hurt. I have a 13-year-old

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son that could get hurt over there. There are other children. This is four blocks from

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a school. I've been told that the county does not have the funds to clean this up.

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please thank you who told me that Chris from the county code enforcement thank

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you thank you for your comment do you want to make a comment yeah this was taken

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on by a citizens group headed by a lady called Noreen Wheeler and yeah it's

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actually it does belong to the county so a couple things is do we want this

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land. I mean it's like excess land that we probably should look into to see if I

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get a couple head nods here that we give it to a private owner or sell it at

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auction or whatever we got to do because I don't see any need for it.

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And then the next thing is I think that we could prioritize a cleanup here, get a couple

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of head nods to that. I mean, it's factually really, really bad with those needles and everything

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there that follow up. And then lastly, I think we ought to look and see who did the initial

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cleanup and left the bags of trash and why that happened.

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And I understand the frustration

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that I could do. I just wish you'd have called me. I would help you immediately.

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Sorry, I went this way. So do I have, let's get rid of the land if we don't need it. Can we prioritize the cleanup and find out why it wasn't finished in the first place?

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And why don't we look at using the funds that we have available through each of the district offices.

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Yeah, we need my funds. I'll give you that.

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Thank you for coming, Ms. Summers, we'll hope we can get results for you.

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Sorry, sorry I had to go this way.

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Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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Yes, I have two more cards, one from John Stonebreaker, followed by the cameraman.

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We're going to take these two and then we're going to move on from public comment.

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Hi, John.

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Hello.

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So I had a note with the interaction with a Cal Fire Inspector last week that began

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with a courtesy call and a voicemail which perplexingly said that Inspector

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Foss was going to be on my property and hoped I would be home, but when I called

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back it was clear that we were talking about my vacant timberland property

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where I still brashly attempt to grow timber. Inspector was gracious enough

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to actually meet me on the site and looked around and said, oh, you've

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clearly done a lot of work. This looks good. This looks great. This is okay

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for now, but keep an eye on it. And when we got to the property corner where I said

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that this cedar thicket beyond here is not my responsibility, the inspector said that

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what was on her tablet seemed more authoritative than the actual stake in the ground. And I've

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had this sort of interaction with other county employees in the field before. One is that

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GPS is not particularly accurate in heavily forested areas or in canyons. And also

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that the county boundary layer, it can be off by 100 feet or more.

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So when somebody in the field is trying to determine whose property they're on, they're

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frequently wrong, and county employees need to understand this and policy needs to be

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set, especially now that what you might find on the Internet is less authoritative than

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it has ever been as a large language model gibberish is taking over.

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Or we really need to understand that there is factual ground truth, and then there is

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increasingly dubious information coming online.

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So additionally, the inspector advised me to look at recent PBS weathered documentary inside

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the LA Firestorms, which was much better grounded than what we're hearing here.

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They focused on not trying to prevent wildfires, but on trying to prevent urban conflagrations

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and the necessity of hardening structures themselves, clearing vegetation within five

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feet, limiting proximity of outbuildings within 30 feet where the radiant heat could

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cause a problem, and didn't really focus on removing vegetation 30 feet or farther

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from structures.

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And again, with what just came before, the county is spending quite a lot of money doing these abatements where there's not a whole lot of risk spend efficiency.

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And the county really needs to be using these dollars to abate legitimate hazards rather than this Sisyphian vegetation removal that the county's limited dollars could be much better spent, especially as state dollars are dwindling.

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Thank you, John.

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All right. Our last card is from the cameraman.

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Good morning, Duke County Board of Supervisors.

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To one of our previous speakers there, if you would have called and said they were growing some marijuana plants,

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I bet you would have taken two years to get that dealt with.

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But anyways, today's topic to do justice as no one is above the law nor beneath its protection as somebody's model is around here.

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A few weeks ago that individual, you know, we all do it, it's not the worst crime in

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the world, but I saw Mr. Ramsey operating a motor vehicle while on his cell phone that

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wasn't hands-free, so just a little reminder next time, hey, if you want to start your

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call and put it on your lap, then start driving, that's okay, but it's got to be

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hands-free.

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Another matter, a few cases back, I know I mentioned this before, the Larry Holland matter,

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the gentleman who owned the 25 Great Danes that mauled a woman to death in Feather Falls

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last year.

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It looks like the court case is pretty much going to go away and be done with.

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Not for the woman getting mauled to death, but because the dogs were unleashed, didn't

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have their tags, you know, the basic county ordinance code.

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So I guess he filed some motions paid some fines and fees and it's okay now

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Not so much for the family miss Corbin, but at least for mr.

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Holland he can work on you know being financially stable and taking care of I guess the more animals

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He seems to like to keep another matter this past week. I

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Saw a gentleman get sentenced in the Butte County Courthouse

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for a couple years probation, some time in jail. Another gentleman as one of our public

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defenders puts it, you're a black kid in Butte County. And what does that mean, ladies

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and gentlemen? Well, he's not more than likely going to get a fair trial. Some may disagree,

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some may agree, but the reality is that 2% of actual black people that get picked

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to do jury selection actually end up getting on the jury. So I can feel his pain when

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And he's up against an alcoholic schizophrenic calling him nigger six ways from Sunday and

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beating him up with a beer bottle or whatever it was, Jack Daniels in his hand with his

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dad in tow, but he dared to fight back.

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He is the aggressor when he is the victim.

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So I guess if you're a certain shade of melanin and you're favorable, if you fight

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back, you're going to be prosecuted.

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So I'd like to give a thank you for Tyler for you know getting that conviction from the DA's office

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You know, you know the guy did do five days in jail

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When he was initially arrested, but you know as he said that's not justice the guy's eyes can't work

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Well, this guy can't work

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He's gonna lose a job that he's coming up all because he was basically called the n-word and had the gall to defend himself and

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I'll just leave it at that and with anyways with a few times

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I have remained just wanting to say happy Halloween, have a good weekend, and I will see you at the next meeting next month.

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Okay, we'll close public comment for now. If there's more, we will do it at the end of the meeting.

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We'll move on to item 4.3, appointment to the Butte County Assessment Appeals Board, Melissa Kitts.

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I'll let you explain this.

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Okay. Good morning, Chair Kimmel-Shu, members of the board, Melissa Kitts, assistant clerk of the board.

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The assessment appeal board's function is to resolve disagreements between the county assessor and the taxpayer over values of local assessed property.

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And the board consists of three regular board members and as many alternate members as needed.

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So we've received another unexpected vacancy and have a vacant board member seat.

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We've received applications from three qualified candidates, including Justin Hancock, who

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is just appointed as an alternate member back in September, Scott Nolan, and Ariel Hernandez.

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Each member has indicated that if not appointed to the regular board member seat, they are

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interested in serving as an alternate for the board.

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Staff is requesting the board appoint a regular board member to serve the remainder

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of vacant and an expired term and a 0.1 or more alternate members to serve a

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three-year term if needed. Thank You Melissa. Any questions comments from board

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members? I'd like to make a motion. Let me get public comment just in case there

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is some. There probably won't be. I was going to put you on here. Okay.

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Any public

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comment? Okay we'll close public comment. I wish us to the board. I'd like to put Mr.

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Dr. Justin Hancock as a regular member and the two that applied is alternates.

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Okay.

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We have a motion.

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Is there a second?

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Second.

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Okay.

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I just got a question.

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Can we have multiple alternates?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Perfect.

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I mean, it's hard to get somebody to do this job, so I figure if we got two, we'd

443
00:39:19,630 --> 00:39:20,230
better put them on.

444
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:20,890
I know.

445
00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:21,590
I get it.

446
00:39:21,610 --> 00:39:23,510
I just wasn't sure what we were allowed to have multiple alternates.

447
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:30,810
And I just want to state, I did have a question regarding, you know, I think

448
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:36,830
Pardon me, regarding individuals who have previously been with the department and whether

449
00:39:36,830 --> 00:39:44,810
it appears to the public whether they're getting a fair appeal if we have former employees

450
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:45,890
that are sitting on there.

451
00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:53,210
And there was nothing in our policies or procedures or anything that states a person

452
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:58,950
has to be, you know, not working for the department for a year or anything like that.

453
00:39:58,950 --> 00:40:06,390
And so, but I just, I want to make sure that from a public perspective that it is noted

454
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:12,770
that one of the applicants is a former employee of the department and, you know, there could

455
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:20,450
be the perception that they have the same, the interest of the department ahead of the

456
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:21,230
interest of the public.

457
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:21,750
And so.

458
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:26,130
It would be something maybe that you would want to maybe bring back to look at like

459
00:40:26,130 --> 00:40:29,390
right now, if you retire from the county, you have to be off a certain amount of time

460
00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:35,210
unless we deem that there is an emergency situation. We could always see if we wanted to add a

461
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:35,910
policy to that.

462
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:37,430
I don't know if I was going to say that.

463
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:42,910
Just for clarification, there is a rule that they have to be separated from the county

464
00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:44,810
for three years before applying.

465
00:40:44,810 --> 00:40:45,290
For three years.

466
00:40:45,590 --> 00:40:45,690
There you go.

467
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:46,650
Okay.

468
00:40:46,810 --> 00:40:47,010
Perfect.

469
00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:48,170
All right.

470
00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:49,270
Good comments.

471
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:50,130
And do we know?

472
00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:51,030
We have a motion.

473
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:51,870
Okay.

474
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:53,230
Is there a public comment?

475
00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:54,390
I asked for public comment.

476
00:40:54,390 --> 00:41:00,470
no public comment. We have a motion to second. All those in favor? Opposed? Okay, we have one more

477
00:41:00,470 --> 00:41:09,410
appointment to the Reclamation District 833, Melissa. Yes, in Reclamation District 833,

478
00:41:09,490 --> 00:41:14,130
there was no petition calling for an election. No nominations were received and the number

479
00:41:14,130 --> 00:41:19,430
of qualified candidates filing didn't exceed the number of trustees to be elected. So,

480
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:25,470
Pursuant to California Water Codes section 50742, the board may now appoint any qualified

481
00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:32,490
person and Reclamation District 833 has requested the board appoint Jerry Davis and Ralph Wilderson

482
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:39,990
to serve a four-year term in lieu of election. Okay, any questions, comments from board members?

483
00:41:40,350 --> 00:41:45,110
Is there a public comment? Okay, we'll close public comment. Wishes of the board?

484
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:52,130
move approval staff recommendation. Second. All those in favor? All right, closed. All right,

485
00:41:53,350 --> 00:41:59,210
we're going to move on to item 4.5 and I'm going to have Josh Pack, Director of Public Works,

486
00:41:59,310 --> 00:42:05,610
come forward. This is an approval of the 2026 Public Works Infrastructure Master Plan

487
00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:14,570
and authorization to advertise projects. Before you get started, I know there's folks in the

488
00:42:14,570 --> 00:42:20,610
audience that want to speak to the 5-mile basin issue, that will be a timed item right

489
00:42:20,610 --> 00:42:21,410
at 10 o'clock.

490
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:22,830
So go ahead.

491
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:23,650
Yeah.

492
00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:24,390
Good morning.

493
00:42:32,180 --> 00:42:36,960
I'm here today to present the annual update for the Butte County Public Works Infrastructure

494
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,800
Master Plan as soon as the presentation comes on the screen.

495
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,100
And as soon as you're there, we can move on to the next slide.

496
00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:50,610
Nice photo in the paper for Sites Resvore. I saw someone standing in the back, which might be tall.

497
00:42:52,990 --> 00:43:00,210
Appreciate that. There's no way to know. So, today's presentation is similar to previous years.

498
00:43:01,210 --> 00:43:05,850
We'll talk about the revenue sources to drive the plan. Some of the recent projects we've completed

499
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:11,350
as part of the multi-year plan as well as the upcoming projects. We'll talk about some of the funding challenges

500
00:43:11,350 --> 00:43:14,970
to drive a project of this size, some of the efforts we've taken to address those,

501
00:43:15,170 --> 00:43:18,750
and then finally, that all kind of plays out in our pavement condition, and we'll talk about

502
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:23,190
the historical trends of our pavement and the continuing trends based on

503
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:26,130
the anticipated funding levels in future years. Next slide.

504
00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:33,150
So in total, it's about $107 million. I want to highlight this was a point of confusion

505
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:38,030
last year. This is for projects that are likely to be constructed and have funding for

506
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:40,430
construction for in the next several years.

507
00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:44,250
So that doesn't include projects in specific plans or general plans.

508
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:48,050
We have several projects that are in application stage for grants.

509
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:52,770
Those aren't included until those funding is solidified and we have a delivery schedule.

510
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:54,710
This is a living document.

511
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:55,710
It's updated annually.

512
00:43:56,090 --> 00:44:01,170
So as projects come on board, come online, they'll be introduced into the program almost

513
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:03,430
in real time for project delivery.

514
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:08,830
As you can see with the funding sources broken down by a percentage, the vast majority of

515
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:13,090
the program is driven by disaster recovery, whether it's the community development block

516
00:44:13,090 --> 00:44:14,970
grant, FEMA, emergency relief.

517
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:18,830
Our focus over the last several years and has continued to be over the next several

518
00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:23,210
years would be disaster recovery for communities impacted by recent fires and floods.

519
00:44:24,310 --> 00:44:29,290
We also received funding from the Neal Road landfill and the Highway Bridge program,

520
00:44:29,290 --> 00:44:35,090
which is an annual program meant to address bridges that are structurally deficient. Next slide.

521
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:41,130
So this most current year was about $43 million. That's a pretty busy year for us.

522
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:47,390
Some of the key projects include the first phase of the CDBG program. The first project to be

523
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:51,270
completed was Ofer Road. That was in partnership with the City of Oroville. The county took

524
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:55,490
the lead on that and delivered the project on behalf of the city. We're nearly complete

525
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:59,970
with the work on Honey Run in Centerville. I believe the first the first lift of the

526
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,580
The asphalt actually went in yesterday. The asphalt should be largely done by the end of

527
00:45:04,580 --> 00:45:08,920
the week, and then the next couple of weeks will be shoulder backing and then striping and

528
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,140
other related features. So that work will be largely done in the next week or two.

529
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,900
And we're getting a lot of great comments with the work up on Honey Run and Center.

530
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:23,420
Fantastic. Thank you. Another part of work is the North Complex. We completed considerable

531
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:27,940
work on Oral Quincy Highway. This is a milestone for our department because over the

532
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:32,580
last six, seven years, we've been delivering almost entirely focused on disaster recovery.

533
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:38,800
This project, while it doesn't signify the end of the recovery, that may never occur.

534
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,840
As far as the disaster funding that we receive, this is the last project related to North

535
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,240
Complex.

536
00:45:44,740 --> 00:45:48,760
So we do have a earmark funding for Lumpkin Road.

537
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:49,960
We'll continue to be working on that.

538
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:54,820
But by and large, this program will no longer reflect projects related to disaster

539
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,240
in the months afterwards.

540
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,980
So, that's a milestone for our department.

541
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,880
We have other milestones we're approaching in the next several years.

542
00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:06,560
And then the landfill, the module 5E, that's to expand the landfill's footprint to continue

543
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,440
to provide cost-effective services for solid waste disposal.

544
00:46:10,060 --> 00:46:10,360
Next slide.

545
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:16,680
The upcoming year is going to be really busy, highlighted by Phase 2 of the campfire work.

546
00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:20,380
That's going to be primarily focused in McGillia and the upper ridge communities.

547
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,480
We also have a project on portions of Concow Road.

548
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:27,060
as Supervisor Connolly is unfortunately all too familiar.

549
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,940
We continue to have challenges with oral-quency highway.

550
00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:34,900
The work for the third slide in the last 15 years or so will take place next year.

551
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,520
That's part of the 2023 winter storm damage.

552
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:43,340
One thing that's come on board just in the last several months is we've partnered with PG&E.

553
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,340
Traditionally after they do undergrounding, they do the pavement work.

554
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,820
It tends to be a little clunky and also doing a bunch of pavement work

555
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:56,020
and then going in next year in Magalia and driving all over that work is going to exacerbate

556
00:46:56,860 --> 00:47:00,300
and lead to the quick deterioration of that work.

557
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,640
So instead of that, they've provided a fee to us, and we're in turn are going to go perform

558
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:10,640
the work on their behalf on roads in Magalia and Upper Ridge that aren't in the CDBG program.

559
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:16,420
So by that work, we should be hitting most, if not all, of the roads in Magalia and

560
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:18,060
the Upper Ridge through that work.

561
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:23,040
It will look similar but there will be different projects similar but somewhat equal.

562
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,040
We continue over the last 10 years.

563
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:30,580
We have been working on projects in South Oroville to extend bicycle pedestrian facilities

564
00:47:30,580 --> 00:47:32,780
connecting schools and other facilities.

565
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:39,260
We continue to work towards providing connectivity from Oroville limits through South Oroville

566
00:47:39,260 --> 00:47:40,660
to eventually to Palermo.

567
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:45,100
We have a project out at the landfill to put a liner on the new landfill module

568
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:50,080
And then we have several bridge projects, including maintenance and one new bridge at Central House

569
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,540
Road just east of Highway 70.

570
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:52,240
Next slide.

571
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:55,660
So a lot of projects in the future.

572
00:47:56,020 --> 00:47:58,940
We have one left over from the CDBG work.

573
00:47:58,980 --> 00:47:59,980
That'll be Lake Ridge Circle.

574
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:01,740
That's scheduled for 2027.

575
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,400
We do have several slides navigating through the long winding process that's known as FEMA approval.

576
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,880
Two that I want to highlight are Upper Skyway and Dark Canyon.

577
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:13,880
They've been, they're both our priority of ours.

578
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,400
We're continuing to aggressively push FEMA to try to expedite the approval of these.

579
00:48:19,580 --> 00:48:23,260
If we do get approval, we could move these forward to 2026, but right now, based on their

580
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:28,260
timelines, we're thinking this is more of a 2027 than a 2026 schedule.

581
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:33,600
Lumpkin Road, that was approved through congressionally directed spending, otherwise

582
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,500
known as earmarks.

583
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,740
That's about $4 million.

584
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:40,420
We're scheduled to do the first phase in 2027 on the middle portion of Lumpkin

585
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:43,100
is the current target from the bridge to the fire station.

586
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,640
We also have a number of safe bridge projects, road safety projects, landfill projects.

587
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:51,460
New ones will come on board annually.

588
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:55,980
There's annual grants that we're successful with, and as we do future iterations, new

589
00:48:55,980 --> 00:48:56,900
projects will come on board.

590
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Next slide, please.

591
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,240
So in total $107 million, as you can see by this table, it is very top-heavy.

592
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,340
90% of the program is scheduled to deliver in the next two years, and this belies

593
00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:15,100
is a good news, bad news scenario. The good news, as I mentioned previously, is our department

594
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,020
for the better part of a decade has been trying to navigate the difficult world of disaster

595
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:24,280
recovery. With the project schedule in the next two years, we anticipate being largely

596
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,720
through that process, which is a tremendous achievement with all of the challenges we

597
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:33,520
face. I'm very proud of the work our department has done to support the community in these

598
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,060
endeavors. The bad news is there are no other similar funding sources coming behind

599
00:49:39,060 --> 00:49:44,300
it to take its place. So our program, assuming Knock on Wood, No More Disasters, is going

600
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:49,840
to be a shadow of its former self. It's just going to be a smaller, more modest program

601
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,680
compared to what we've seen over the last five, especially after the campfire in North

602
00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:00,040
Complex Fire. Next slide, please. So that's driven. And one of the reasons for that

603
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,660
is the revenue. Only about 5% of the overall revenue that makes up the program comes

604
00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:08,880
from our road fund and other more flexible funding sources.

605
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,380
We use that funding almost primarily for day-to-day activities.

606
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:19,100
We do use our road fund as a local funding match for federal grants, and that's where

607
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,040
most of it comes in.

608
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,740
But most of it just does our day-to-day activities, paying employees, buying materials,

609
00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:27,720
new equipment, new trucks, things like that.

610
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,980
One of the challenges we face, and I've shared this with the board in the last

611
00:50:30,980 --> 00:50:38,200
year or two is as we move away from trying to make an effort to reduce greenhouse gas

612
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,580
emissions and reduce the sale of fossil fuels, that has an impact on our department because

613
00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:45,000
we rely entirely on the sale of fossil fuels.

614
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,340
These are non-compatible goals and missions.

615
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,200
This is not a board issue, this is not a city or local issue, this is a state issue.

616
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:58,300
As long as California and the state legislature doesn't address the long-term systemic

617
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:03,420
funding challenges of relying on the sale of fossil fuels, our department is going to continue

618
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:10,920
to struggle to meet the expectations. With that in mind, nearly 85% of the funding in the program

619
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,600
comes from grants and not all of the grants align with our core expectations. Public health,

620
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,580
public safety, core maintenance, a lot of grants don't fit in those little boxes. A lot are for

621
00:51:21,580 --> 00:51:25,520
new projects, improvements, bicycle and pedestrians. Some do. We have some safety

622
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,540
projects and some bridge maintenance projects, but there's a lot of projects in the program

623
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:34,720
that if we had unfettered funding, we would probably prioritize in a different manner.

624
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:35,660
Next slide, please.

625
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:41,580
On the expenditure side, we continue to see ongoing challenges that stress our resources.

626
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:46,760
There's a lot of fire and flood activity that never gets reported, never gets qualifies

627
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,860
for disaster funding.

628
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,480
So this year alone, work on Jordan Hill Road, Mozilla Valley Road was in the many,

629
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,440
many hundreds of thousands of dollars that never qualified for disaster funding.

630
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,620
A lot of the work in the months after Parkfire doesn't qualify, may qualify, we're still

631
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:03,420
pursuing that.

632
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,080
But that's a reality of, you know, every year when we have more fires and floods they

633
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:13,440
have impacts and a lot of that doesn't register to the level of federal or state reimbursement

634
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,900
and we have to rely on our limited resources to address those needs.

635
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:21,460
Liability is continuing to be an issue.

636
00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:25,760
I'll have a slide in the next slide that'll provide more insight into that, and I'll talk

637
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,520
more about that.

638
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,640
We continue to see our day-to-day cost of doing business, not only in-house, but in the construction

639
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,360
world far outpace the price of inflation.

640
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,320
We have grant matching requirements even when we do receive grants for disaster recovery.

641
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:43,260
Those come with local matches anywhere from six and a quarter to 25 percent.

642
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,500
And then our great friends at the state love to create new rules that make our

643
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:52,280
jobs harder and don't necessarily provide commensurate value in our day-to-day operations.

644
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,300
So this whole kind of kit and caboodle of everything going on, the short story is it's

645
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,940
harder to do the job today than it was in the past.

646
00:53:01,340 --> 00:53:01,620
Next slide.

647
00:53:02,860 --> 00:53:07,440
So I talked about liability insurance and I've taken a broader perspective on this working

648
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:14,500
with CSAC and RCRC and I've had conversations with Prism, our insurance provider on this.

649
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:20,660
This is a systemic issue unique to California, and I won't get into the details of that,

650
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:24,420
but the impact or liability insurance, much like the California Fair Plan and the lack

651
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:30,540
of fire insurance, is driving prices upwards for local agencies, not only cities and counties,

652
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,620
but special districts, school districts, fire districts, et cetera.

653
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:37,440
This slide shows our cost over the last 10 or 11 years.

654
00:53:37,740 --> 00:53:41,200
Back in 2015-16, our costs were about $46,000.

655
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,680
dollars this year, they're nearly 3.2 million dollars. That's not a typo. When you look

656
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,280
at a percentage of the overall road funding we receive, nearly 20 percent of our funding

657
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,540
we receive today goes into liability. So for every five dollars we get, one dollar immediately

658
00:53:56,540 --> 00:54:00,900
leaves and goes to pay for liability. And the challenge that and the slippery slope

659
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:05,300
is the more we spend in insurance, the less we have to invest in road and road infrastructure

660
00:54:05,300 --> 00:54:10,300
that creates the sort of liability that we're trying to avoid. So again, continuing

661
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,820
Between challenges, this is, again, not a local issue.

662
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:17,500
This is a systemic issue at the California level that needs to be addressed macroscopically

663
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:22,540
by the state through a multi-agency effort.

664
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,720
Next slide, please.

665
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:29,820
All of this has an impact on our operations, and so this most recent operating budget

666
00:54:29,820 --> 00:54:32,980
saw the elimination of our annual pavement preservation program.

667
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:37,860
We created that in 2021 to try and invest in long-term maintenance.

668
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:45,420
The reality is with all of the challenges and stressors we could no longer reliably redirect funding to that because of our core services.

669
00:54:45,740 --> 00:54:47,860
We would not be able to fund some of our other core services.

670
00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:49,720
So that doesn't mean we're not going to pay.

671
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,360
We've got a lot of paving going on the next couple of years.

672
00:54:52,580 --> 00:54:55,120
It's just in areas that were impacted by disasters.

673
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,320
A lot of the county hasn't been and that's a challenge.

674
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:06,800
This year we deferred several million dollars in much needed vehicle and equipment replacement that doesn't necessarily have an impact today or tomorrow.

675
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,300
But in the years to come, if this trend continues, equipment exceeds its useful life.

676
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:13,540
We have to spend more to invest to maintain it.

677
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:14,940
It becomes dilapidated.

678
00:55:15,060 --> 00:55:16,000
It becomes less reliable.

679
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,040
It, again, has that same impact.

680
00:55:19,100 --> 00:55:22,920
We've had several projects that had sizable contributions on grants.

681
00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:27,880
We had a rubberized chip seal grant that was – we were paying about 80 cents on

682
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:28,320
the dollar.

683
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Obviously, in the situation we were in, that didn't make a lot of sense.

684
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:35,540
And so we've had to discontinue several grants of that nature where we had sizable

685
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:36,240
county contributions.

686
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:42,640
That said, we continue to aggressively push, whether it's through grants, kind of working

687
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,620
on the lobbying side to address some long-term systemic insurance reform, advocating on the

688
00:55:48,620 --> 00:55:53,900
legislative side to continue to press the state on looking for alternatives for transportation

689
00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:58,000
funding, and we'll continue to do that in advocacy of the community, the board, and

690
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,340
the county.

691
00:55:59,020 --> 00:55:59,540
Next slide, please.

692
00:56:00,260 --> 00:56:05,620
So, with all that in mind, all of these trends have an impact on our pavement.

693
00:56:06,420 --> 00:56:09,440
We've been tracking our pavement condition over the last 30 years.

694
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:15,140
We score our pavement on what's called a pavement condition index or PCI, 0 to 100, the higher

695
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:16,560
the score, the better the pavement.

696
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:22,720
In 1995, the first year we scored it, it scored at a 76, right at the border of good

697
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:23,120
and fair.

698
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,320
Today, it's at 51.

699
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:27,760
That's down from the end of last year.

700
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,740
That's the lowest in our recorded history over the last 30, 40 years.

701
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:34,580
And so trending in a wrong direction.

702
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:35,420
Next slide.

703
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,100
We can also, we have computer software that tracks and monitors our long-term pavement

704
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:43,320
based on the investments we make.

705
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:48,160
As you can see, the short-term investments in the campfire footprint will largely keep

706
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,440
our pavement condition statewide stable.

707
00:56:50,860 --> 00:56:55,720
Once that funding runs out and we're left on more of a triage level, we anticipate

708
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,640
that to continue downwards.

709
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:58,580
Next slide.

710
00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:04,500
So with all that good news, today I'm asking the board to approve the plan,

711
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:08,240
but also approve, authorize the department to advertise the projects in the plan.

712
00:57:08,540 --> 00:57:11,100
And before we wrap it up and ask questions, first of all, a couple of things.

713
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:14,040
I want to thank our staff who work a lot of time and effort to prepare this.

714
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:17,860
This didn't exist before I came here.

715
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,700
And the reason I wanted to present this, and I appreciate the board's support of this,

716
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:27,660
is because when you're faced with limited resources and having to make so many difficult decisions,

717
00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:31,580
and we talk, and you talk with members of the public each and every day,

718
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,060
who care tremendously about their communities and where they live.

719
00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:38,280
And we care too, but the reality is we have to worry about all the communities.

720
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:42,380
And we have a very difficult job of trying to basically take, you know,

721
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:45,240
very limited resources and trying to spread it as far as we can.

722
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,900
And that's why this is such an important cornerstone of the work we do,

723
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:53,520
is because we have to make difficult decisions that says yes to some people and no to a

724
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,160
lot of other people.

725
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:56,220
So that's why we want to bring this to the board annually.

726
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,040
You have an opportunity to weigh in.

727
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,660
If we are making decisions that are inconsistent with your vision and mission, this is an

728
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:04,600
opportunity to shift direction by doing it annually.

729
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:06,760
Usually these projects take years to deliver.

730
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:10,420
And so, again, this is the opportunity for you to, if you have different opinions,

731
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,780
different guidance, this is the opportunity.

732
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,640
And certainly you have other opportunities, but this is a great opportunity to shift

733
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:16,300
course and direction.

734
00:58:16,420 --> 00:58:17,260
But that's why we do it.

735
00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:19,100
is we don't have enough resources

736
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,700
and this is our best attempt to make the resources work

737
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:23,640
for the best of our ability for the board,

738
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,840
for the county, and for our community.

739
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:26,520
And so with that in mind,

740
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,220
that ends my not-so-brief presentation

741
00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:30,500
and I'm happy to answer any questions the board has.

742
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,340
Wow, thanks for all that good news.

743
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,920
Yeah. Appreciate that.

744
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,140
Questions, comments from board members?

745
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:37,300
I have a few.

746
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,680
I really appreciate the dark canyons in there

747
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,060
because that's a recreation venue

748
00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:48,120
you that hasn't been able to be accessed for several years.

749
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:56,100
Lumpkin Road is the issue that exists probably if the timber industry was up and vibrant like

750
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:56,580
it was.

751
00:58:57,020 --> 00:59:00,240
We would have the revenue to take care of that road.

752
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:05,680
I wonder if they'd be interested in the SPR or somebody might be interested in helping

753
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,220
us out.

754
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,260
I know the answer, but we could ask, right?

755
00:59:08,780 --> 00:59:15,460
And then Oro Quincy Road is a factory that's miss-built by the federal government, and we're

756
00:59:15,460 --> 00:59:17,220
up there fixing all the slides, right?

757
00:59:17,380 --> 00:59:22,120
I mean, we can't hold them accountable for doing things wrong, I guess.

758
00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:29,680
And South Warville, I want to point out you can build a whole school and not provide sidewalks.

759
00:59:29,780 --> 00:59:31,860
Not even right in front of your property.

760
00:59:32,020 --> 00:59:35,680
It seems like that's something we ought to talk to the state government about.

761
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,360
I mean, or add a four million dollar gym and then we're scrambling to provide safe access to that gym because

762
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:48,400
They're not required to put the sidewalk out in front of it and the state issue on electric cars and tax

763
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:55,980
And I mean they they're heavy. They cause road damage, especially the big trucks will they ought to be taxed by the mile

764
00:59:55,980 --> 00:59:59,260
I mean, they don't buy fossil fuels. It's killing us

765
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,640
And last, are all counties in this situation? Do you think you're in association? Is it statewide

766
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:11,400
that most counties are in this same situation? If there's an exception, maybe we ought to look

767
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:11,740
at it.

768
01:00:11,740 --> 01:00:14,000
Specific to just running out of money.

769
01:00:14,180 --> 01:00:14,380
The address?

770
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:22,780
Yeah. Chair, Supervisor Connolly, this is a systemic issue. The more rural counties are

771
01:00:22,780 --> 01:00:28,100
disproportionately affected, you know, cities and counties are different. Cities have less

772
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:34,060
resources, they tend to have better, more stable funding sources.

773
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:40,240
Counties, especially rural, small, middle-sized, a number of counties have self-help transportation

774
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:41,060
tax measures.

775
01:00:41,260 --> 01:00:43,380
Those are predominantly urban and urbanized areas.

776
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:48,160
They're in a little bit better shape, but by and large, the average payment condition

777
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,040
statewide is about a 61, 62.

778
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:50,980
That's not a good score.

779
01:00:52,060 --> 01:00:57,460
All of the counties on the lower half were in the bottom 15%, but there's lots

780
01:00:57,460 --> 01:01:02,740
lots of counties, Calusa County, Tualami County, Mariposa County that are way worse than us.

781
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:07,700
And the commonality is they're all rural with limited resources. A lot of them, like Trinity

782
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:12,620
and Modoc, are disproportionate federal land. They receive little revenue. There used to

783
01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:16,780
be revenue sources that have largely gone away. And so we're all in the same boat.

784
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:22,640
Plumas County, Sierra County are reverting their paved roads to gravel because they

785
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,780
just can't fund the maintenance of that. And so we're not there yet. We're a

786
01:01:26,780 --> 01:01:31,400
long ways away from there. You'll hear from our department in future years if we ever have

787
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,680
to make those sort of decisions, but yeah, this is not a butte County only issue.

788
01:01:36,980 --> 01:01:38,860
Sounds like an RC, RC issue.

789
01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:55,070
Well, I have a question. You said that 85% of the funding is state and federal, and

790
01:01:55,070 --> 01:02:00,970
then you said 5% is from our...

791
01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:06,350
The road fund from our road fund. What is the what makes up the last? It's the landfill

792
01:02:06,350 --> 01:02:08,630
So the Neil road makes up the remaining 10%

793
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:14,890
and then I mean, I think you know the question is if every county is facing us

794
01:02:14,890 --> 01:02:20,490
I feel like we're facing us not just in in this department in every department, you know, we look at

795
01:02:21,590 --> 01:02:28,070
Prevention services or public health services, right? We are dependent upon prop 10 tobacco sales

796
01:02:28,070 --> 01:02:35,030
to fund prevention services for our zero to five and so we do a great job with

797
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:39,190
public health telling people stop smoking but then we get less money so do we

798
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:43,950
tell people to keep smoking so that we get more money it's you know we talk

799
01:02:43,950 --> 01:02:49,170
about it with a board meeting yeah start smoking we need more services for

800
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:53,950
our young people but we talk about it with vehicle miles traveled you know at

801
01:02:53,950 --> 01:03:02,570
BCAG in air quality as well. So I mean, I don't know what the solution is here because these are

802
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:10,410
decisions that are being made at the state and federal level. And so, yeah, it seems like we're

803
01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:18,150
kind of in a catch-22 and having to pick what's going to be the least disastrous thing to let go

804
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:25,410
for another year. That shouldn't be how we're doing our planning. That said, I did really

805
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:32,830
appreciate the infrastructure master plan because it's calling out all of the sometimes

806
01:03:32,830 --> 01:03:36,850
deferred maintenance, sometimes things that have fallen into disrepair because of our

807
01:03:36,850 --> 01:03:45,450
disasters that we face. I did see that there is an insurance town hall tonight by Commissioner

808
01:03:45,450 --> 01:03:54,950
Laura's office. It's a virtual town hall specifically related to fire and then there is a flood insurance

809
01:03:54,950 --> 01:04:01,470
town hall on the 30th that is taking place with the California Department of Insurance

810
01:04:01,470 --> 01:04:08,650
and Assemblymember Greg Wallace's office. So I hope that we're attending those. I hope

811
01:04:08,650 --> 01:04:14,910
that we're advocating. I know we have a meeting with our legislators, you know, coming up.

812
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:23,990
on what kind of policies we want to see moving forward, but it just seems bigger than the county level.

813
01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:28,700
Thank you for those comments. Anyone else?

814
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:40,100
I don't know if you mentioned this, but in District 4, they're all very pleased and happy about the new bridge on Ordferry Road, so that is a great addition.

815
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:48,120
Oh, sorry. I don't know who's not, but that's fine. I mean, it's a great improvement over

816
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,320
what it was there, and I know it took a long time. Was that $15 million to do that roughly?

817
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,220
I think it turned out more than that. And the last counter was in the $18 million range.

818
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:01,920
I think $18 million for that. So it was sort of needed for many, many years.

819
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,080
So we're happy that that got completed.

820
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,960
Okay. Any public comment? This is just for information, correct?

821
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,120
We don't have to approve this

822
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,580
No, actually the action the board to approve the plan and authorize the department

823
01:05:14,580 --> 01:05:18,600
I have a public comment. Yes. I have one card from John Stone break

824
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,820
No, actually I was going to

825
01:05:28,820 --> 01:05:33,900
commend director pack on yet another lucid presentation and for

826
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:38,640
Negotiating with our dear friends at PG&E to add additional

827
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:44,960
that were not approved for funding by our federal four letter agencies.

828
01:05:47,140 --> 01:05:59,100
I do like seeing the infrastructure master plan to show the work that the county might be able to afford to do over the next couple of years

829
01:05:59,100 --> 01:06:03,380
and emphasize that the dollars are very limited, both in the discussion here and in the write-up.

830
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:10,040
It was made clear that these are state constraints on the county's ability to maintain its roadway

831
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:10,440
mileage.

832
01:06:12,060 --> 01:06:19,520
I think Miguel Idem is slightly beyond the scope of this, and hopefully our friends in

833
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:29,880
D.C. will find a way to replenish the dollars that were withdrawn and allow PID to broaden

834
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,420
the crest of the dam as well as the base of the dam and if that were to happen then possibly we

835
01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:38,860
can work on that. Some number of years in the future I don't know if that is within the scope of

836
01:06:38,860 --> 01:06:49,180
this current master plan but we would love to see that in the future. Again, the problems with

837
01:06:49,180 --> 01:06:56,100
the funding and maintaining paved roads is very expensive and yes I support all of the efforts

838
01:06:56,100 --> 01:07:06,360
to continue to lobby with our legislators to find another way to bring funding to prevent

839
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,940
the worsening of the pavement that leads to additional costs down the road, and this is

840
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:14,220
not something that Butte County can solve on its own.

841
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:19,480
It's unfortunate that we have been put in this situation, and I would point out again

842
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:31,540
that with the federal government's inability to pass a budget and the manifesto to continue to withhold funds from states and local jurisdictions,

843
01:07:32,140 --> 01:07:37,800
it's going to become increasingly difficult to get state dollars to come to the county.

844
01:07:38,260 --> 01:07:40,960
So I acknowledge the difficulty of this problem.

845
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,160
And again, I want to commend Director Pack and his staff

846
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,300
for the work they're doing in trying

847
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:48,440
to make the best of very difficult situation.

848
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:51,840
OK, other public comment?

849
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:53,280
Other comments.

850
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:55,420
OK, thank you very much.

851
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:59,320
I do agree with Supervisor Ritter.

852
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,860
This is a great program or a great informational thing

853
01:08:05,860 --> 01:08:07,200
that you do for us each year.

854
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:08,180
I hope it continues.

855
01:08:08,180 --> 01:08:13,580
And for those of you that don't know, Director Pack will be leaving Butte County.

856
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:14,460
Congratulations.

857
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:19,240
He became the new CAO of Calusa County.

858
01:08:19,500 --> 01:08:23,660
And you'll be with us till the end of – almost to the end of November.

859
01:08:23,900 --> 01:08:24,300
Is that correct?

860
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:25,500
Yeah, you're stuck with me for another month.

861
01:08:25,740 --> 01:08:27,060
Well, thank you for your service.

862
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:31,040
And one of our big projects is up next.

863
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:32,880
And you can remain in the chair.

864
01:08:34,260 --> 01:08:37,080
And we're going to go on to our timed item.

865
01:08:39,060 --> 01:08:41,460
I'm going to move staff recommendation.

866
01:08:42,140 --> 01:08:42,300
Thank you.

867
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:43,600
Second.

868
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:44,160
Okay.

869
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:45,460
Thank you very much.

870
01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:47,080
I've got a little overtop.

871
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:47,720
No, that's right.

872
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,160
All those in favor?

873
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:49,960
Aye.

874
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:50,560
Opposed?

875
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:51,340
Okay.

876
01:08:51,540 --> 01:08:51,780
Thank you.

877
01:08:51,780 --> 01:08:52,480
I do have a request.

878
01:08:52,900 --> 01:08:53,080
Yes.

879
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:58,360
Since public comment brought up McGillian dam and it's lacking a reference in our master

880
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:58,720
plan.

881
01:08:58,940 --> 01:08:59,180
Yeah.

882
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:04,020
If I could get a head nod that that could be added or if it needs to come back

883
01:09:04,020 --> 01:09:10,500
to the meeting, that at least McGillian dams widening, since we did the letter, it should

884
01:09:10,500 --> 01:09:13,880
be in the master plan, not just referenced in the upper ridge plan.

885
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:16,420
So, thank you for that.

886
01:09:16,780 --> 01:09:19,800
Yeah, with that simple, that's a pretty clear direction.

887
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:24,100
We actually have several projects that are unfunded, like Lumpkin Road, Future Phases.

888
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:28,660
My recommendation would be just put a slide with a document talking about that project

889
01:09:28,660 --> 01:09:32,940
and how it's unfunded and we're pursuing it, it's more of a placeholder than anything

890
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:33,120
else.

891
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:39,300
happy to do that. Thanks. Okay, fantastic. Yeah, we're hoping for four lanes on top of that dam

892
01:09:39,300 --> 01:09:45,320
someday. Maybe not. A passing lane? Let's not get too excited. Okay, enough. This fits in the plan,

893
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,920
that's good. Okay, just wanted to make sure. That's right.

894
01:09:52,380 --> 01:09:55,320
Okay, with that, we will move on

895
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:01,940
to items 5.1. And this is an update on the five mile basin stream action for flood emergency

896
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:06,320
project and direction for the long-term project strategies.

897
01:10:07,180 --> 01:10:11,100
Couldn't have said it better myself. Good morning again Chair Kimmelchew and members of the board,

898
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,000
Josh Pack, your director of Public Works. We heard today present the results of the

899
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,780
short-term project, the safe project, and then some of the next steps and really a discussion

900
01:10:19,780 --> 01:10:24,040
on where the board wants to go moving forward with a long-term solution. Next slide, please.

901
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:32,560
So, some good news. I'm sure you're all aware. The work has been completed for the SAFE project.

902
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:37,340
The project was a targeted and surgical treatment to address vegetation issues,

903
01:10:37,940 --> 01:10:43,560
channel development and sediment gravel removal, all to help improve the flow through the basin,

904
01:10:43,820 --> 01:10:47,620
redirect flows away from Big Chico Creek, which was receiving a disproportionate amount

905
01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:51,580
of the impact, and then redistributed in a manner that improves overall protection.

906
01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:55,700
I've got several pictures that I'll show you a little bit later on, but again, one

907
01:10:55,700 --> 01:11:00,260
of the key things as well is levy repairs to a damaged levy near the Big Chico Creek

908
01:11:00,260 --> 01:11:00,960
diversion structure.

909
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:01,760
Next slide, please.

910
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,980
So the work was done under our job order contracting program.

911
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:08,340
Again, the board appreciate the board's support for that program.

912
01:11:08,740 --> 01:11:10,800
You actually just approved the most recent iteration.

913
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:14,960
This was done under that program by Knife River Construction out of Chico.

914
01:11:15,740 --> 01:11:18,520
The work was done a lot more quickly than we anticipated.

915
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:25,880
We had built in some delays from potential permit authority or maybe some interactions

916
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,960
out in the field that we weren't anticipating, none of that occurred.

917
01:11:29,420 --> 01:11:33,700
City was great to work with as far as getting us access to the basin, which we were able

918
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:38,720
to get in quickly, perform that work, remove the vegetation, and then we're able to do

919
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,240
– there was less actual gravel and sediment that we anticipated based on our

920
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:42,960
original projection.

921
01:11:43,220 --> 01:11:46,720
So, from tip to tail, the work took about one week to complete.

922
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,820
The costs were considerably less than $500,000.

923
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:54,580
We're still going through the last of the worksheets, but current estimates are on the

924
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:58,040
$135,000 to $150,000 range, which is considerably less.

925
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:03,700
And then I know this has been important to me, and I joke about it in my potential incarceration,

926
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,620
but we did get all of our permits.

927
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,480
The last permit came in on the second or third day of construction.

928
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:15,020
More seriously though, having those permits in place, and we'll talk about that,

929
01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:20,360
that helps keep the relationship strong moving forward to a long-term solution.

930
01:12:20,740 --> 01:12:21,360
So the next slide.

931
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,520
So the next several slides are going to show some of the pictures, the dots, the stars

932
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,740
or the general locations where the pictures were taken or where they're viewing.

933
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:30,560
Next slide, please.

934
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,380
So slide one is looking upstream at the pedestrian bridge.

935
01:12:35,860 --> 01:12:37,960
You can see the considerable vegetation removal.

936
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,380
I think there's enough resolution in the picture too.

937
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:42,960
You can see the sediment and the gravel.

938
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:50,260
We basically created channels within the basin and we used on-site surveyors to actually – we

939
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:56,580
targeted slopes to maintain stream velocities to help carry and transport water through the basin.

940
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,360
You can even see we worked with the city of Chico on the left of that picture. There's a mat

941
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:04,020
there. There was a little bit of damage from some of our equipment getting into there.

942
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,060
Chico asked for some repairs, which we were able to do successfully. And that was a portion

943
01:13:08,060 --> 01:13:11,540
of Biddlewell Park that really helped expedite the work. We had free and unfettered access

944
01:13:11,540 --> 01:13:15,900
us to that site, we were able to stage equipment, get in very quickly, and we had several access

945
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:17,600
points along the channel that made work.

946
01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:19,620
We're able to expedite that.

947
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:20,740
Next slide, please.

948
01:13:21,860 --> 01:13:24,180
So the next pictures are in the middle of the channel.

949
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:29,160
Again, you can see the gravel, sediment, and vegetation work that's been done.

950
01:13:29,780 --> 01:13:35,740
Again, there's three essential veins, little fingers that kind of relief, and it's

951
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:40,700
designed in a manner that as flows increase, one or more start getting service.

952
01:13:40,700 --> 01:13:45,060
so one comes into service and then as flows go up in the second and then the third, it's

953
01:13:45,060 --> 01:13:50,800
a metered and thoughtful way to handle that water. Next slide. The third picture is the

954
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:55,400
repairs to the levee. You can see the large boulders and cobbled that's been placed just

955
01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:00,300
on the upstream side of the levee. That's just on the other side of the view would

956
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:04,520
be the big Chico Creek diversion structure. You can also see again the vegetation removal,

957
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:06,980
a very clear path for water to travel.

958
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:08,140
Next slide.

959
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:15,140
So just in the last week or two, I did receive some preliminary data quantifying that through

960
01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:16,380
our storm water models.

961
01:14:17,380 --> 01:14:21,800
The pre-model before the project suggested that the structure was sufficient to protect

962
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,460
the city and the surrounding environment from a 44-year storm, which kind of plays with

963
01:14:26,460 --> 01:14:31,900
what we saw last winter, because we saw a larger storm, larger time-duration storm

964
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:36,700
that approached a 5 to 10 year intensity, and then we had a very short burst storm

965
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:38,820
that approached near a 50 year storm.

966
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:43,700
We saw under both of those situations, water get precariously close to overtopping.

967
01:14:43,940 --> 01:14:46,720
So that data, that model kind of corroborates that.

968
01:14:47,140 --> 01:14:52,960
Under the new modified version, this provides 130 year level protection.

969
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:57,740
So we've essentially tripled the storm duration that should provide protection

970
01:14:57,740 --> 01:14:59,340
for the city and the surrounding community.

971
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,600
So, again, targeted solutions, significant benefit for the city and the surrounding communities.

972
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:06,780
Next slide, please.

973
01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:13,480
So with that in mind, in recognizing that without ongoing maintenance of the work that we've done,

974
01:15:13,660 --> 01:15:18,080
we're falling into the same patterns that decisions that were made in the 90s and early 2000s

975
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:19,440
and beyond that have had.

976
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,180
We need to continue to stay on top of this.

977
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:27,560
And so I'm currently working with our consultants to develop a multi-year agreement to monitor

978
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:27,980
the work.

979
01:15:27,980 --> 01:15:31,820
This would include making recommendations in the middle of the season if there's any

980
01:15:31,820 --> 01:15:37,660
short-term work that needs to get done, utilizing data from available stream gauges, both upstream,

981
01:15:37,820 --> 01:15:39,060
downstream, and at the location.

982
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,460
The goal behind that is to – models are predictors.

983
01:15:42,500 --> 01:15:43,080
They're not perfect.

984
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:47,060
And so we want to take real-time data and look at it compared to our model and make

985
01:15:47,060 --> 01:15:49,380
sure that the model is accurately predicting what's happening.

986
01:15:49,500 --> 01:15:55,040
It gives us more confidence, even more confidence that the work was done sufficiently and

987
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,680
and aligned with real-world situations.

988
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,060
Each spring, they would come in,

989
01:16:02,140 --> 01:16:04,240
make recommendations on maintenance for that summer.

990
01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:06,160
It could be vegetation debris removal.

991
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:07,940
It could be some sediment and gravel

992
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,360
as it's kind of redistributed itself.

993
01:16:10,860 --> 01:16:12,220
And then they would help us work

994
01:16:12,220 --> 01:16:14,660
with the regulatory partners to get the necessary permits

995
01:16:14,660 --> 01:16:16,640
because we did so much work this year.

996
01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:18,360
The hope that is in the next several years,

997
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:19,600
those permits are much smaller.

998
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,500
It's much more routine and straightforward.

999
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:23,720
And we complete that work each summer

1000
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:27,600
before the ongoing winner. And the work is to have this contract in place for several

1001
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:34,120
years until either the long-term solution finds its way to completion or the threat

1002
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:38,100
of the post-part-fire situation kind of finds its way through, which would be in the next

1003
01:16:38,100 --> 01:16:39,720
several years. Next slide, please.

1004
01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:45,700
So there's a lot of thanks to go around, and I don't want to spend too much time,

1005
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,820
but certainly want to recognize the support and the direction of the board. Most all

1006
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:56,280
of you have been engaged on this. Very clear support. The recommendations have been appropriate,

1007
01:16:57,620 --> 01:17:02,120
thoughtful, considerate, and this project doesn't get done without your support. So I appreciate

1008
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,220
each and one of your engagements on this and the direction you've given, which has given

1009
01:17:06,220 --> 01:17:10,920
me confidence to move forward successfully. On the federal and state side, our legislators

1010
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,580
and their staff have been incredibly helpful in connecting us with our regulatory agencies.

1011
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:20,500
I think in several situations they help kind of get us over a couple of humps in the successful

1012
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:22,880
permitting that may not have happened without their involvement.

1013
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:24,940
So appreciative of their efforts.

1014
01:17:25,740 --> 01:17:30,280
The construction and design engineer, Knife River, NCE, were the designers.

1015
01:17:31,580 --> 01:17:35,940
They helped the day-to-day work with this, including working with stakeholders, et cetera.

1016
01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:41,380
Public work staff, most notably our assistant director, Scott Hightower, who facilitated

1017
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:45,180
the job contract for this and helped oversee the construction inspection and construction

1018
01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:51,500
management, him and his team, the PIO disseminating information, very helpful getting timely information

1019
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:57,500
out, Chico City Council who adopted a resolution supporting the work, kind of putting a unified

1020
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,580
front towards this effort and as well as their staff who were helpful in navigating the

1021
01:18:02,580 --> 01:18:06,780
necessary steps and also kind of alleviating some of their fears and concerns.

1022
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,560
The regulatory agencies, and yes, we like to take pot shots at the regulatory agencies.

1023
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:12,900
Many times it's deserved.

1024
01:18:13,420 --> 01:18:14,760
In this case, they really stepped up.

1025
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,440
They were proactive in their engagement, they were helpful, they were thoughtful.

1026
01:18:19,260 --> 01:18:25,020
It wasn't always perfect, but in the end we got where we needed to go and they were helpful in that process.

1027
01:18:25,140 --> 01:18:31,700
So I want to thank the Army Corps, Water Board, Fish and Wildlife, all those partners who were part of this.

1028
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,060
And hopefully that relationship continues down the road.

1029
01:18:35,660 --> 01:18:40,040
And then last but certainly not least, stakeholders, public. A lot of folks frustrated, concerned.

1030
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,340
We've heard their voices. It's been frustrating.

1031
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:48,120
I know they've been frustrated, wanted to see more timely action, not knowing the steps

1032
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,620
on how to get this done, but appreciate their diligence and their involvement.

1033
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:53,520
Next slide.

1034
01:18:54,940 --> 01:19:00,420
With that behind us, not behind us, but with that largely, at least for this season, taking

1035
01:19:00,420 --> 01:19:05,260
care of, this is our opportunity to shift focus and get clear, hopefully clear direction

1036
01:19:05,260 --> 01:19:07,820
from the board on what you want to see in the long term.

1037
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:13,160
We have waited to start on a long-term project until to focus our efforts on this.

1038
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:16,480
We made it just in the nick of time. I still think that was a great idea.

1039
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:23,460
The process that we've gone through this winter or this last summer has been very helpful at directing what the potential next steps would be.

1040
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:28,600
And I know there's been some discussion of restoring the basin to its original 1965 condition.

1041
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,540
That being very well still be the solution.

1042
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:36,040
But the reality is the conditions and the situation that were in place when the 1965

1043
01:19:36,490 --> 01:19:40,540
solution was built may not be the right solution for 2025.

1044
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:45,540
The work that we could do in the channel 60 years ago is very different than what we're

1045
01:19:45,540 --> 01:19:46,380
allowed to do now.

1046
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,280
And the thought is, and this would be my recommendation if the county moves forward

1047
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,400
as the agency moving this forward, is that the first thing we do is a feasibility

1048
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,220
study to look at the options and have the board weigh in on what the preferred option

1049
01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:05,140
is moving forward. Again, it could be the 65 option. I think I'm cautiously optimistic

1050
01:20:05,140 --> 01:20:10,060
that there are other options that not only provide the commensurate level of flood protection

1051
01:20:10,060 --> 01:20:16,440
but do so in a manner that are environmentally responsible, operational, and maintenance, reduce

1052
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:21,040
our level of effort, reduce our ongoing liability, and improve our ability to

1053
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,600
see success in the years and decades to come. So your successors and my successors

1054
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,980
aren't left, you know, complaining about the work that we did 20, 30, 40 years ago.

1055
01:20:29,460 --> 01:20:29,820
Next slide.

1056
01:20:31,180 --> 01:20:36,800
So a little bit of background on this and is, you know, back 60 years ago when this was

1057
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,180
completed, the county was named the local maintaining agency.

1058
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:44,540
It made sense at the time, you know, we were the alpha dog, however you want to refer

1059
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:46,680
to it, and we took that responsibility.

1060
01:20:47,260 --> 01:20:52,140
But over time, Chico is annexed and grown and grown and grown, and today roughly

1061
01:20:52,140 --> 01:20:56,720
90% of the parcels that benefit from the work reside within the City of Chico city limits.

1062
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:03,180
In the early days, from 1965 to 1979, the city and county had an ongoing maintenance agreement

1063
01:21:03,180 --> 01:21:06,080
where we shared that responsibility of maintaining the channel.

1064
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,880
The county would actually reimburse the city for any work performed through county

1065
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:10,900
service area 24.

1066
01:21:11,660 --> 01:21:16,140
After the passage of Prop 1 in 1978, the city terminated that agreement.

1067
01:21:16,140 --> 01:21:23,220
So, the last 45 years, the city has had expectations on how that's been administered and has really

1068
01:21:23,220 --> 01:21:29,180
not had any responsibility, authority, or kind of, you know, or a broader role after that

1069
01:21:29,180 --> 01:21:30,200
termination of that agreement.

1070
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,580
LAFGO, also in its most recent municipal service review, through the review of this

1071
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:39,780
county service area and several others that have largely been annexed into the city,

1072
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,020
they made a recommendation that the city should maintain full maintenance responsibility

1073
01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:47,480
of this infrastructure and highlight that and we'll recognize that we've heard

1074
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:51,980
several comments over the last years of my interactions with the board on this

1075
01:21:51,980 --> 01:21:56,860
topic. Next slide. So with that in mind that's why I'm here today. I am looking

1076
01:21:56,860 --> 01:22:00,660
for direction on the boards which direction the board would want to go.

1077
01:22:01,300 --> 01:22:06,020
There are certainly more options than three. I've kind of put three as a

1078
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:10,740
starting point starting from the least involvement from the county going to

1079
01:22:10,740 --> 01:22:16,100
the most involvement with the county. Option one would be we've triaged the site, we're

1080
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:19,620
good, we think the city should take it, and I'll talk more about each of these in the

1081
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:24,260
coming slides. Let's work with the city to see if they'll transfer that. Option two is

1082
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:28,200
more of a partnership. It's like, okay, we're both partners in this, let's move this forward.

1083
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:32,440
One agency more likely the county would still be the lead, but we'd have more of

1084
01:22:32,440 --> 01:22:35,880
a partnership. There's precedence to this, and I'm going to talk about that as part

1085
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:39,840
of option two. Then option three would kind of be a status quo, at least in

1086
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,020
in the short term, the county would continue to take the lead.

1087
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,260
There's benefits with that, there's some drawbacks,

1088
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:47,220
and we'll talk more about that in each of the slides,

1089
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:48,540
each of the next three slides.

1090
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:49,500
Next slide.

1091
01:22:50,860 --> 01:22:55,180
Show option one, again, is the one we say,

1092
01:22:55,540 --> 01:22:56,860
it's your problem Chico, you deal with it.

1093
01:22:57,540 --> 01:23:00,040
This recognizes that five mile,

1094
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,280
again, the MS Municipal Service Review

1095
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:03,500
has that as a recommendation.

1096
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:05,340
It's primarily within the city.

1097
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:07,440
The city currently doesn't really contribute

1098
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:08,640
to maintenance or operations,

1099
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,740
and it's aligned with LAFCO's recommendation.

1100
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,920
That said, through correspondence we received

1101
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,680
with the city, it's extremely likely

1102
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:17,960
that they will oppose this.

1103
01:23:18,380 --> 01:23:21,320
That will likely create a long drawn out process

1104
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,300
to determine that with no guarantee of success

1105
01:23:23,300 --> 01:23:24,580
that the county will ultimately

1106
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,060
advocate its responsibility here.

1107
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:31,100
This will likely result in significant delays

1108
01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:34,280
to the project, likely, if not months,

1109
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,540
likely years to the project as we navigate that.

1110
01:23:36,940 --> 01:23:37,340
Next slide.

1111
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:49,060
And really quick, if you're looking to me for a recommendation, my recommendations are probably option three and option two. Those are my two, but certainly could go in any direction that the board would like to go.

1112
01:23:49,780 --> 01:24:02,320
Option two is more of a collaborative agreement. Again, recognizing the same parameters we talked about, but it would bring the city on as a partner through other means and manners and role that the county would wish to see.

1113
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,060
We could have shared expectations.

1114
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:04,740
We'd be a partner.

1115
01:24:04,860 --> 01:24:07,200
I still think the county would probably take the lead on the project.

1116
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:14,480
But, you know, whether it's outside role funding or all decisions the board can make,

1117
01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:15,840
and there is precedent for this.

1118
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:21,120
Back in 2022, the city approached the county about its storm drain master plan.

1119
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:27,420
As part of that program, there was a percentage of property that was outside of the city's boundaries.

1120
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:42,380
It, I don't want to say demanded, but it asked for the city, the county, to make a contribution for our fair share contribution for the portion outside of the simulimits and the board approved that to the tune of about $134,000 for the city's storm drain master plan.

1121
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:49,200
This approach could potentially adopt that same philosophy saying, hey, we shared for years, you share for this.

1122
01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:51,900
Again, this is an increased role.

1123
01:24:54,520 --> 01:25:03,180
My understanding, that would be the city would not support this, so we would be facing a lot of the same challenges to get some sort of agreement in place.

1124
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,860
Especially, I'm assuming, with funding obligations asking the city contribute might be take some time.

1125
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,420
And again, with an unclear impact on project delivery.

1126
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:12,380
Next slide.

1127
01:25:13,780 --> 01:25:15,620
So option three is more of the status quo.

1128
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,340
The county would continue to deliver the project.

1129
01:25:18,340 --> 01:25:22,540
we would take the lead. We'd move forward. This is certainly the quickest path to project

1130
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:27,360
completion. The county would carry the burden of the project delivery, the liability, the project

1131
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,380
costs. That said, those could be mitigated. I know the board has expressed an interest

1132
01:25:32,380 --> 01:25:38,920
in funding this. It's been my recommendation if we can't get some sort of funding like state or

1133
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:44,660
federal grant funding that we go through the special district process through a Proposition

1134
01:25:44,660 --> 01:25:50,040
2018 election that would involve the city of Chico as again most of the residents live there if

1135
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:56,080
successful that could not only fund this work but future work to come and that would solve the

1136
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:01,900
funding piece of that in perpetuity. I think that certainly leaves open the door to the board

1137
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:08,100
once the project is complete to look at a scenario to transfer the operations of this and

1138
01:26:08,100 --> 01:26:13,420
this is more akin to like leaving it in a turnkey status like it's done it's completed

1139
01:26:13,420 --> 01:26:14,800
we can have that conversation.

1140
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,560
And that can mean transferring it to the city.

1141
01:26:17,900 --> 01:26:20,420
It could be developing some sort of shared maintenance agreement.

1142
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:25,260
One option that I've brought several times is to create a broader joint powers authority,

1143
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:27,240
much like the Sutter Butte Flood Control Agency,

1144
01:26:28,380 --> 01:26:31,380
incorporating both the city and unincorporated portions of Norchico

1145
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:34,400
to address systemic flooding challenges, levy issues.

1146
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,580
That would take a lot of years.

1147
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,680
That would be a years or decade thing.

1148
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,420
But in the long run, that could be the long-term solution

1149
01:26:42,420 --> 01:26:46,380
because SABUFCA has been very successful at leveraging their resources and revenue to

1150
01:26:46,380 --> 01:26:50,760
deliver much needed projects for portions of Butte and Sutter County. Next slide.

1151
01:26:51,820 --> 01:26:58,040
So this is a scenario for a project delivery. This is probably a little optimistic, assuming no

1152
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:03,300
issues or challenges, but I wanted to give you a kind of a timeline of how things could play

1153
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:07,560
out if the board decides to move forward with option three. So again, my recommendation

1154
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,160
is to begin with the alternatives analysis that could begin at the end of this year

1155
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:16,280
early 2026, anticipate that taking, you know, the better part of a year, returning back to the

1156
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:21,020
board in the fall. We would have that discussion on what your preferred option is. And then if

1157
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:26,240
the board says whatever option we want to move forward, we could then move forward with parallel

1158
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:31,400
efforts for a Prop 218 election and a design effort. And, you know, the issue with doing a

1159
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,700
Prop 218 sooner is without knowing what the actual solution is, we're kind of shooting in

1160
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:40,660
the dark a little bit. And we could underfund the project, which could delay it. I don't

1161
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:44,600
think there's a lot gained. Also, with a Prop 218, you generally have to know the design

1162
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,940
and the long-term construction and maintenance strategy, and that may not be known until

1163
01:27:48,940 --> 01:27:53,140
after the alternatives analysis is done. And so that would take about 18 months. That's

1164
01:27:53,140 --> 01:27:57,540
a huge Prop 218 election. We can't lick envelopes fast enough and count them here

1165
01:27:57,540 --> 01:28:02,200
on the die over here. That's about over 15,000 property owners that could be included.

1166
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:07,700
We could also continue with a parallel effort at the same time to design and get the

1167
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:12,620
project ready for construction, construct the project in 2028 and then have those discussions

1168
01:28:12,620 --> 01:28:16,600
after the end of the project to look about a long-term solution for the maintenance of

1169
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:21,280
this and then more systemic maintenance of flood infrastructure throughout the north

1170
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,800
part of Chico, including the city.

1171
01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:24,620
So again, this is one option.

1172
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,780
If the board's looking at options one or two, I would guess you add some years

1173
01:28:29,780 --> 01:28:30,180
to that.

1174
01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:32,000
So next slide.

1175
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:39,120
So again, today we're excited and my hope is for my successor when they come in, they have very clear direction.

1176
01:28:39,820 --> 01:28:45,200
This has been one of the most challenging, rewarding, but fraughtful projects I've worked on.

1177
01:28:45,300 --> 01:28:50,680
I'd love to have my successor have a little clear runway and clear direction and I'm hoping for that.

1178
01:28:50,860 --> 01:28:53,000
And with that in mind, happy to answer any questions the board has.

1179
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:55,160
Questions, board members?

1180
01:28:56,060 --> 01:29:03,600
Well, I'm the only one, I don't have a dog in a fight except on Lafko.

1181
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:10,920
I think the CSA should bear the cost of this, and I think the CSA probably should be expanded

1182
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:16,700
to downstream people that are positively impacted, so they'd be voting on something

1183
01:29:16,700 --> 01:29:22,560
that would give them the Cadillac ultimate solution.

1184
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:27,440
And I also don't believe that GICO should be left out of it.

1185
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:32,240
I mean, I can remember when a car lot was going to be built in the county and they went way

1186
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:33,920
out of their way to go out and annex it.

1187
01:29:34,020 --> 01:29:36,680
Well, this is right in your city limits.

1188
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,480
I think fair is fair.

1189
01:29:38,980 --> 01:29:44,020
I mean, as far as the county residents bearing any of the burden of the cost, that shouldn't

1190
01:29:44,020 --> 01:29:44,400
happen.

1191
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,640
It should be the people that are impacted by it.

1192
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:54,980
And if the people don't want to vote to have the Cadillac solution, then so be it too, that's my opinion.

1193
01:29:56,820 --> 01:29:58,160
Other points of view?

1194
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,980
I have a question regarding...

1195
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,420
The options that are presented because it seems like there could potentially be additional

1196
01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:16,060
options where if we were to move towards, you know, having a JPA, but we do a formal agreement

1197
01:30:16,060 --> 01:30:21,620
with the city to partner on the project while pursuing the transfer of the site and operations

1198
01:30:21,620 --> 01:30:30,340
so that we're doing the work while we are working towards that annexation into the city of Chico.

1199
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:34,480
So it doesn't seem mutually exclusive to me.

1200
01:30:35,620 --> 01:30:37,760
I think you got a good point.

1201
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,960
In other words, we're going to get this project done.

1202
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,220
We're going to give this completed project at the end.

1203
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,520
You like a 321 option.

1204
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,100
Sum of three, sum of two, and then ultimately end at one.

1205
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:56,240
Yeah, and I mean, which I think is the right way to do it. Yeah, I think right

1206
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:01,880
I mean we looked it took a lot of time and a lot of effort and thank you Director

1207
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,740
Pack for finally establishing whose responsibility this was that was seemed

1208
01:31:06,740 --> 01:31:14,660
to be the biggest issue we couldn't get past initially but it is it is our

1209
01:31:14,660 --> 01:31:24,380
service area. And so we cannot just not provide the service. And so we have a good solution

1210
01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:30,140
for this year. But again, we also know that the second year after the fire has the most

1211
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:37,160
potential for some disastrous outcome. So we'll know where we stand a little bit better

1212
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:44,900
after this winter and spring. And I think if during that period of time where we're providing

1213
01:31:44,900 --> 01:31:52,480
our ongoing maintenance and we are getting reports from consultants on the best method

1214
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:59,240
forward while pursuing the folks who are the most impacted, having-

1215
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,460
You're not against the CSA paying their way.

1216
01:32:01,540 --> 01:32:03,400
I am not. Not at all.

1217
01:32:04,900 --> 01:32:13,220
Yeah, my preferred alternative is to move as quickly as we possibly can to return the

1218
01:32:13,220 --> 01:32:19,340
area back to the 1965 level, whether we can do that or not is a whole other issue.

1219
01:32:21,420 --> 01:32:23,060
Well, the super budget goes to jail.

1220
01:32:23,260 --> 01:32:24,100
Right, that's true.

1221
01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:26,360
And I don't know if it's the chairman of the board that goes to jail.

1222
01:32:26,660 --> 01:32:28,500
I don't know how I'm going to deal with that.

1223
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:29,100
I'll make that motion.

1224
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:29,840
Yeah, okay.

1225
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:45,260
But most of the CSA is in Supervisor Ritters, a district, however the downstream folks that I deal with who have had some issues, especially this last year with a levy break, are very concerned.

1226
01:32:45,860 --> 01:32:55,280
And so it would be great if we could expand the CSA. I don't know how, if that's an alternative or not, that's something I guess we'd have to go through Lafko.

1227
01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:02,720
But I think expediency is very important. And the quicker we can move on this, great.

1228
01:33:02,900 --> 01:33:09,520
I think the city has been a good partner so far. I'm sure that they would want to work with us in the future,

1229
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:14,120
but that is something down the line. I think it's our responsibility at this point in time.

1230
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:23,160
And I think we should move forward as quickly as we can with all the permitting and get it back to 1965 levels.

1231
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:32,110
I don't know, after the fire I picked up a lot more constituents in Chico that are obviously

1232
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:41,710
near the five mile dam and they might not like my comment, but as things change and

1233
01:33:41,710 --> 01:33:50,450
cities expand, I just feel it's absolutely not in the rest of the county's best interest

1234
01:33:50,450 --> 01:33:56,950
to keep being the lead for some kind of project, you know, imagine it's a road that was county

1235
01:33:56,950 --> 01:34:03,350
maintained in the city annexed. Well, they took probably that road. I see this flood protection

1236
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:11,790
as that as well. And as Director Pack said, it's like 90% of properties that are benefiting

1237
01:34:11,790 --> 01:34:17,830
from Five Mile are now in the city of Chico. So I think that the city of Chico needs to do

1238
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:32,830
What they seem to really like to do is annex properties that make them money, but in this case, it's a property that protects a lot of people and protects a lot of valuable assets.

1239
01:34:34,330 --> 01:34:43,390
If it fails, sure, the county will get blamed because we're the lead agency, but the end result is going to be a loss of City of Chico property.

1240
01:34:44,310 --> 01:34:53,290
So, you know, take it for what it's worth. We just talked about roads and we don't have the funding for our roads, so we'll just hope everyone buys trophy trucks.

1241
01:34:53,710 --> 01:34:56,070
In this case, everyone should build their house on stilts.

1242
01:34:56,070 --> 01:35:05,930
I mean, I'm being sarcastic and my dream would be to move towards number one, and I know we have a city representative that's here.

1243
01:35:06,810 --> 01:35:09,590
Two, sorry, apologies for missing the second one.

1244
01:35:10,650 --> 01:35:17,070
But, you know, it's really, it's infrastructure within the city of Chico, and I don't mean to be the bad guy, but...

1245
01:35:17,710 --> 01:35:22,110
Well, I agree with you, but I just don't think I could get the third vote, so...

1246
01:35:22,110 --> 01:35:28,570
That's all right. At least we we set our peace bill. I like the actually you all have good ideas

1247
01:35:28,570 --> 01:35:34,960
And I do kind of like the three-two-one option really ultimately however getting it back to the 60s is

1248
01:35:36,730 --> 01:35:42,970
It's like buying a 1968 Cadillac and a 2025 Cadillac there's going to be things that have changed

1249
01:35:43,530 --> 01:35:46,330
There is things that have changed since the 60s

1250
01:35:46,830 --> 01:35:49,190
And I just think getting it back to that level

1251
01:35:51,950 --> 01:35:57,070
My predecessor in 20 years from now will be still having this conversation because we'll still have to talk about it.

1252
01:35:57,490 --> 01:36:06,570
I think I agree the quickest route is the best route, so let's continue to piggyback off what you have accomplished already in just that short amount of time,

1253
01:36:06,570 --> 01:36:14,950
which in the couple of months since we talked about this last, I mean, to go from a 44-year storm to a 130-year storm is outstanding.

1254
01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:18,550
I never thought that the numbers would be that, and I was really excited to see that.

1255
01:36:19,710 --> 01:36:25,950
So, I think we should start on three while working with two and then ultimately get it

1256
01:36:25,950 --> 01:36:30,450
back to the city or get it to the city where it belongs which is within the city.

1257
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:35,690
Two assume or three assumes that we are not doing two or one.

1258
01:36:35,690 --> 01:36:36,950
I want to do a little portion of each.

1259
01:36:37,230 --> 01:36:44,510
So, well, so we can do a portion of each with option two and option one and if ultimately

1260
01:36:44,510 --> 01:36:49,350
the goal is that we are handing something to the city that is in a good

1261
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:54,950
place and safe then that is not necessarily the county completing the

1262
01:36:54,950 --> 01:37:00,290
long-term project. I'm in agreement that whatever the solution was in 1965 I

1263
01:37:00,290 --> 01:37:03,470
mean we have different we have different maintaining agencies we have

1264
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:07,390
different laws in terms of environmental and fish and wildlife like

1265
01:37:07,390 --> 01:37:14,270
everything has changed so I think we need to have this assessment and

1266
01:37:14,270 --> 01:37:19,670
consultants come in and say this is the plan now right this might have been the

1267
01:37:19,670 --> 01:37:25,990
plan in 1965 this is the plan now right to get the sediment out or to relocate

1268
01:37:25,990 --> 01:37:31,670
the sediment or whatever needs to happen open different channels and this

1269
01:37:31,670 --> 01:37:36,170
is where we start and that the county start there with the goal of

1270
01:37:36,170 --> 01:37:41,750
transferring this to the city of Chico but ultimately we're not taking on option number

1271
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:51,030
three because it's going to be transferred to a different jurisdiction for the on the ongoing.

1272
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:58,490
Okay yeah I think I think that talking about the transfer is great but the main thing is we

1273
01:37:58,490 --> 01:38:03,490
need to protect our citizens and we need to get the work done and I think we get the work

1274
01:38:03,490 --> 01:38:11,670
done first and then figure out the transfer later. So that's my opinion. Any public comment?

1275
01:38:12,670 --> 01:38:17,430
Yes, we have two cards starting with Tom Van Overbeck followed by Les Herringer.

1276
01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:18,230
All right.

1277
01:38:25,340 --> 01:38:30,100
Council Member Van Overbeck, good to see you this morning and I will allow you

1278
01:38:30,100 --> 01:38:34,560
more than three minutes just out of professional courtesy if you need it and go ahead and turn

1279
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:41,220
your turn on that yeah yeah that's right thank you thank you well having been

1280
01:38:41,220 --> 01:38:46,600
on your side of the podium I will try to keep my comments to three minutes so

1281
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:54,760
good morning so I am but first thing I want to comment on something Supervisor

1282
01:38:54,760 --> 01:39:01,500
Teeter said so I'm not here representing the city I'm here

1283
01:39:01,500 --> 01:39:14,780
My views are consistent with what most people in the city and the council believe, but I'm here representing myself, so don't infer that I'm representing the city.

1284
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:27,900
So I'm going to Chico City Council. I represent district number five, I'm sorry, number six, and the five mile flood protection zone is in my district.

1285
01:39:27,900 --> 01:39:37,840
So I found out about this about two years ago, a retired View County flight control guy took me out there and I became really alarmed.

1286
01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:43,100
I think we would all agree that our number one priority is protecting the safety of our citizens.

1287
01:39:44,260 --> 01:39:55,100
And if something, we've all in View County become too familiar with fire, but I think we would all agree that after fire this is the next biggest danger that we face.

1288
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:58,120
if something really bad is going to happen is because that system fails.

1289
01:39:59,660 --> 01:40:04,480
I want to thank Director Pack for the work that was done this summer.

1290
01:40:04,620 --> 01:40:08,400
That was a great first step and you really pushed hard to get that done.

1291
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:15,560
I'm concerned that you're leaving and I hope your predecessor has a similar enthusiasm

1292
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,420
for the project.

1293
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:18,720
So just a little bit of history.

1294
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:22,920
I'm old enough to remember the flood of 1955 and there were seven feet of water

1295
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:27,400
in the city. I lived in Modesto at the time, and we had a vineyard that was halfway between

1296
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:33,180
the Stanislaus and the Twalamy rivers. We were eight miles from each river, and our

1297
01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:38,400
house flooded. The rivers joined. Basement flooded. There was about a foot of water,

1298
01:40:38,420 --> 01:40:44,500
so it wasn't a catastrophic thing. But I can remember that, and I also remember.

1299
01:40:51,700 --> 01:40:51,900
I think

1300
01:40:51,900 --> 01:40:59,920
That flood control structure was finished in 1965 because in 1960, the State of California

1301
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:02,580
passed Proposition 1, which was a state water project.

1302
01:41:02,780 --> 01:41:07,560
So that's how Orville Dam got built, Bullard's Bar Dam, and a number of secondary projects,

1303
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,800
including the five-mile flood control structure.

1304
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:18,340
So it was designed to accommodate a 100-year flood event, according to the Army Corps

1305
01:41:18,340 --> 01:41:23,080
of engineers, which they defined as 16,000 cubic feet per second.

1306
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:24,840
So hold that number in your head.

1307
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:29,500
That levy has almost – the water's almost gone over the top twice.

1308
01:41:30,180 --> 01:41:34,520
Once was in 96, 97 in that winter.

1309
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:35,840
It was right on New Year's Day.

1310
01:41:36,820 --> 01:41:39,440
And the measuring devices broke.

1311
01:41:39,820 --> 01:41:44,960
They estimate there was 24,000 cubic feet of water that moved through the whole system,

1312
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:53,200
and the water was right at the top. So designed for 16 with 3 feet of free board

1313
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:58,460
at 24,000 it was right at the top of the levee to the levees go like this or the

1314
01:41:58,460 --> 01:42:04,440
channels shape like this. So in February of this year of this year we had a

1315
01:42:04,440 --> 01:42:10,640
10,000 cubic foot per second flow and the water almost went over the top.

1316
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:20,240
So what that implies is that 60% of the capacity of the system has been displaced by debris.

1317
01:42:22,300 --> 01:42:25,920
So this has all been compounded by the park fire, of course,

1318
01:42:26,420 --> 01:42:30,760
because you don't have the vegetation to hold down, to impede the flow of the water.

1319
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:32,800
The runoff comes down faster.

1320
01:42:32,940 --> 01:42:37,640
So the peak flows are higher for a given amount of precipitation,

1321
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:39,900
And they're estimated to be about twice as high.

1322
01:42:42,900 --> 01:42:46,020
So right now it's estimated that there's

1323
01:42:46,020 --> 01:42:52,660
100,000 cubic yards of material between the diversion

1324
01:42:52,660 --> 01:42:57,660
at the dam and the weir, which is about a half or two

1325
01:42:57,660 --> 01:42:58,620
thirds of a mile downstream.

1326
01:42:59,220 --> 01:43:02,260
So to give you an idea how much 100,000 cubic yards is,

1327
01:43:02,260 --> 01:43:08,880
if you took a strip a hundred feet wide and a half a mile long you'd have ten

1328
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:13,520
feet of material. So that's how much stuff's in there and and because that

1329
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:18,140
stuff is in there water can't be in there because it's displaced by the

1330
01:43:18,140 --> 01:43:27,280
rubble. So it defies common sense that there's some clever magical system

1331
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:32,000
that's going to restore the flow to its specification without removing that

1332
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:32,500
material.

1333
01:43:35,140 --> 01:43:38,900
We are playing Russian roulette with this situation.

1334
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:44,900
It's not a question of when, or if, it's a question of when we get the next big event.

1335
01:43:45,860 --> 01:43:53,320
And so I would urge the supervisors to move quickly, as you've all talked about.

1336
01:43:55,860 --> 01:44:02,420
If you want to have a conversation with the city about who has responsibility and when

1337
01:44:02,420 --> 01:44:08,540
that responsibility transfers, I think we should have that responsibility, but it's very important

1338
01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:12,560
that we not delay this a couple of years, particularly because we're going to have

1339
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:16,920
big debris flows this year if we have anything like normal rainfall because of the fire,

1340
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:19,300
which is going to compound the whole situation.

1341
01:44:19,300 --> 01:44:22,060
And I'll be happy to take any questions.

1342
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:30,040
You're probably going to ask the question I was going to ask.

1343
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:30,860
Well, no, probably not.

1344
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:42,400
So based on what you're saying, it sounds like the city of Chico would like to have input into this process.

1345
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:43,360
Sure.

1346
01:44:44,440 --> 01:44:49,800
So that pushes us towards option two as well.

1347
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:56,200
You know, start that conversation, but in the meantime, we need to move forward getting

1348
01:44:56,200 --> 01:44:56,340
the permitting.

1349
01:44:56,340 --> 01:44:56,760
Absolutely.

1350
01:44:57,060 --> 01:44:59,420
I don't think there's anyone here saying we don't want to move forward.

1351
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,080
It's the difference between some of us saying we want to move forward simultaneous with that

1352
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:13,880
left-co process and the creation of a CSA. Well, there needs to be a funding mechanism in the CSA,

1353
01:45:14,100 --> 01:45:18,680
it's obviously, you know, at the top of it. Yeah, okay. Well, there we go.

1354
01:45:21,620 --> 01:45:27,240
Absolutely. Yeah, and if we need to go to an election to the CSA, I would hope that the

1355
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:32,060
city of Chico would be shoulder to shoulder with us in promoting that the

1356
01:45:32,060 --> 01:45:36,980
approval of that 218 election yeah I can't commit to that but I don't know

1357
01:45:36,980 --> 01:45:45,960
why we wouldn't okay I would certainly support it correct so I mean it's just

1358
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:50,240
gonna be an education project I mean that's a big election for a CSA a big

1359
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:55,400
election and we'd have to do a lot of education as to why people need to

1360
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:59,220
fund this. And I'm sure you'll be right next to us with that.

1361
01:45:59,380 --> 01:46:01,760
Absolutely. Okay. Any other questions?

1362
01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:08,360
I just wanted to make a point. So, as I'm sure you probably know, based on where you

1363
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:17,380
live, flood insurance is approximately $2,000 a year, depending upon your property and

1364
01:46:17,380 --> 01:46:23,460
where you live, you know, what you're needing to insure. It takes 30 days for flood insurance

1365
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:30,800
to kick in and so everyone who I talk to who I know lives next to the channel or

1366
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:37,800
downstream a five mile I have been encouraging to get flood insurance and

1367
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:44,640
flood insurance is considerably more expensive than Prop 218 election would

1368
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:55,080
be, you know, finding or whatever fees from folks. So I think that it's a much better deal

1369
01:46:55,080 --> 01:47:02,220
for this to be funded by the people who benefit than it is to have to independently go out

1370
01:47:02,220 --> 01:47:05,360
for every household to get flood insurance because that's not realistic.

1371
01:47:06,140 --> 01:47:10,740
Well, it's more than just the people in the, around the park. I mean, it's downtown

1372
01:47:10,740 --> 01:47:13,100
town and all those neighborhoods. Yeah. Yeah.

1373
01:47:14,780 --> 01:47:18,840
I'd like to point out that's how Sabufka operated. We went out and educated

1374
01:47:18,840 --> 01:47:25,020
people that it was much cheaper to do pay for prevention than it is to get the

1375
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:30,300
flood insurance and to react to a flood. So I think you could pass it.

1376
01:47:30,540 --> 01:47:33,660
I'd like to point out that Councilor Dale Bennett is here. I don't know

1377
01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:36,360
whether you want to say something on this deal. Okay. You sure?

1378
01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:39,720
You sure? Vice Mayor, do you want to say something?

1379
01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:41,760
Oh, here we go.

1380
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:43,340
Thank you.

1381
01:47:43,480 --> 01:47:44,960
Thank you very much for your comments.

1382
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:46,320
Thank you for being here this morning.

1383
01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:46,800
Yeah, you bet.

1384
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:48,540
Put you on the high seat.

1385
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,480
I didn't hand in a card, but it's

1386
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:53,820
hard to sit that long and jump up and walk.

1387
01:47:55,060 --> 01:47:56,620
Especially at our age, huh?

1388
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:57,460
At our age, yes.

1389
01:47:57,780 --> 01:47:59,320
Actually, I'm much older than you.

1390
01:48:01,480 --> 01:48:04,460
All I have to say is I'm very happy.

1391
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:08,720
I'm very encouraged that the conversation went so well.

1392
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:15,960
We recognize we have a problem, a severe problem, which has not manifested as yet, but it's possible.

1393
01:48:16,220 --> 01:48:20,580
It could happen one of these days, very soon, tomorrow, or this winter.

1394
01:48:21,340 --> 01:48:32,320
So I'm just here to support you and your decisions and your evaluation of what the City of Chico is looking to you to provide.

1395
01:48:32,980 --> 01:48:36,300
I'm encouraged, I'm happy, and I'm going to say thank you.

1396
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:37,700
That's all I have.

1397
01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:39,140
Thank you very much.

1398
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:40,240
Okay.

1399
01:48:42,380 --> 01:48:43,420
Anybody else?

1400
01:48:43,700 --> 01:48:45,700
Yeah, we got public comment, right?

1401
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,320
Okay, we'll continue public comment.

1402
01:48:48,660 --> 01:48:48,960
Okay.

1403
01:48:49,540 --> 01:48:51,220
We have one more card from Les Haringer.

1404
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,600
Les Haringer, the famous Les Haringer.

1405
01:48:55,810 --> 01:48:56,810
How are you, Les?

1406
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:57,970
Hey, Todd, I'm doing great.

1407
01:48:58,150 --> 01:49:01,470
Thank you very much, Supervisor Kimmelchew

1408
01:49:01,470 --> 01:49:03,470
and the other supervisors.

1409
01:49:03,770 --> 01:49:06,030
I do appreciate your work on this.

1410
01:49:06,030 --> 01:49:07,750
It means a lot to us.

1411
01:49:08,230 --> 01:49:10,670
And Supervisor Connolly, you do have a dog in this fight.

1412
01:49:10,810 --> 01:49:13,650
We're downstream from the city of Chico M&T Ranch.

1413
01:49:13,770 --> 01:49:17,470
We have miles of levee on Big Chico Creek and Lindo Channel.

1414
01:49:18,330 --> 01:49:21,990
And last February, we had water coming over our levee

1415
01:49:21,990 --> 01:49:23,250
and through our levees out there.

1416
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:26,290
And we have to maintain our levees privately.

1417
01:49:26,990 --> 01:49:28,490
They're privately maintained levees.

1418
01:49:28,730 --> 01:49:29,590
We have to get a permit.

1419
01:49:29,790 --> 01:49:31,750
I mean, it's a 10-year process.

1420
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:33,890
By the time you get the permit,

1421
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:38,830
And then you have to mitigate, you know, for loss of, you know, a sheared off levee.

1422
01:49:39,250 --> 01:49:41,730
We have big trees that grow along our levees out there.

1423
01:49:42,770 --> 01:49:47,310
And you look at some of those trees, and the roots are half-exposed.

1424
01:49:47,450 --> 01:49:50,510
I mean, they're huge oak trees, probably 150, 200 years old.

1425
01:49:50,810 --> 01:49:52,870
And they fall in, they take half our levee with them.

1426
01:49:53,610 --> 01:49:57,290
And this last winter, we had huge problems in February out there.

1427
01:49:57,730 --> 01:49:58,690
We had the sandbag.

1428
01:49:59,110 --> 01:50:02,650
I mean, we patrol our levees day and night out there, you know, when we have big storms like that.

1429
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:05,570
And it's the appropriate thing to do.

1430
01:50:05,690 --> 01:50:07,530
We really need this project.

1431
01:50:08,230 --> 01:50:14,450
Let's go back to, you know, the 60s and do the project and then figure out, you know, who's responsible.

1432
01:50:15,250 --> 01:50:19,890
And, you know, I would think there was some liability issues involved here for doing nothing.

1433
01:50:20,750 --> 01:50:22,570
For, you know, allowing it to get this far.

1434
01:50:22,670 --> 01:50:31,690
North Star Engineering, as City Councilman said, there's over 100,000 tons of gravel that have accreted into that.

1435
01:50:31,690 --> 01:50:36,890
flood area there the five mile basin. So what that does when we have high water

1436
01:50:36,890 --> 01:50:42,570
it does not allow the water to get into lindow channel or mud creek it forces it

1437
01:50:42,570 --> 01:50:48,210
all down Big Chico Creek and I was told that we were eight inches from water

1438
01:50:48,210 --> 01:50:55,110
going over that flood control structure at Big Chico Creek and that would

1439
01:50:55,110 --> 01:51:03,650
to put all that water right down the middle of Chico and Director Pack can probably remember

1440
01:51:03,650 --> 01:51:05,530
this if he went up there and watched them work.

1441
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:12,650
When they were doing the work up there in a month ago, you know, there were some thunderstorms

1442
01:51:12,650 --> 01:51:18,530
in the upper basin and that big Chico Creek ran brown for about two weeks.

1443
01:51:19,330 --> 01:51:24,970
What that means is it was carrying a lot of sediment and it was just a few thunderstorms

1444
01:51:24,970 --> 01:51:31,890
up there and it's because of the burn scar and we're going to be faced with that for

1445
01:51:31,890 --> 01:51:39,670
I don't know how many years but we're faced with it now and I just can't, I'm the kind

1446
01:51:39,670 --> 01:51:46,030
of guy, I farm, I get stuff done, I just, talking about this and putting band-aids

1447
01:51:46,030 --> 01:51:54,530
on it just does not get it with me. We have big problems out there with our levees. What

1448
01:51:54,530 --> 01:51:56,290
I would like to know is,

1449
01:51:58,450 --> 01:52:03,230
you know, this five mile basin, it diverts water into Lindo and

1450
01:52:03,230 --> 01:52:03,690
Mud Creek.

1451
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:12,940
Do you know how much water should go into Mud Creek and how much should go

1452
01:52:12,940 --> 01:52:16,040
into Lindo? We want it to go into Mud Creek because it takes it all the way around

1453
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,460
and really puts it back in the river at the river.

1454
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:20,360
That's kind of where Mud Creek Daylights.

1455
01:52:20,900 --> 01:52:21,680
That's what we want.

1456
01:52:22,140 --> 01:52:26,160
Lindo Channel, when Lindo and Big Chico Creek meet,

1457
01:52:26,260 --> 01:52:29,400
which is on M&T Ranch, I mean, it's a river out there.

1458
01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:33,980
We just have so many problems out there with our levees,

1459
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:35,040
and we get no help at all.

1460
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:36,080
We maintain them ourselves.

1461
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:37,540
We patrol them.

1462
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:39,500
We sandbag them.

1463
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:43,420
We have to have you wrap it up.

1464
01:52:43,580 --> 01:52:44,000
I'm sorry, Todd.

1465
01:52:44,140 --> 01:52:44,840
Sorry, last thing.

1466
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:51,360
That's okay. I get kind of stirred up about this because we have miles of levy on Big

1467
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:57,720
Chico Creek and I mean it's a huge problem for us and we pay big taxes, okay? We're

1468
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:02,860
and I think to ask, well, Troy was here. There he is back there. I think we're in the top

1469
01:53:02,860 --> 01:53:07,740
five in Butte County as far as paying taxes. You know, we deserve some consideration here.

1470
01:53:07,980 --> 01:53:09,160
Thank you for your comments, sir.

1471
01:53:09,340 --> 01:53:12,280
Thank you, Todd, for hearing me out. I really do appreciate it.

1472
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,680
We appreciate you being here and making public comment.

1473
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:15,200
Thank you.

1474
01:53:15,380 --> 01:53:20,740
And thank you for your help with the Department of Water Resources and your connections there.

1475
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:21,540
It's helped, though.

1476
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:22,980
All right.

1477
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:23,940
Thank you.

1478
01:53:28,050 --> 01:53:29,850
John, do you have a dog in this fight?

1479
01:53:30,830 --> 01:53:31,270
Fairly.

1480
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:33,850
Well,

1481
01:53:36,830 --> 01:53:38,450
you can turn on your microphone, John.

1482
01:53:38,670 --> 01:53:38,870
Thank you.

1483
01:53:39,550 --> 01:53:40,550
It's really sensitive.

1484
01:53:40,830 --> 01:53:45,030
Yeah, I do want to say that the long-term solution is probably not to use county general

1485
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:46,370
fund dollars on this.

1486
01:53:46,970 --> 01:53:49,650
I agree that something needs to be done sooner rather than later.

1487
01:53:49,730 --> 01:53:52,270
I really want to say thanks for all the work that has been done here.

1488
01:53:52,410 --> 01:53:57,310
Going back to Robin McCollum's interventions and then the Department of Port Polk Works

1489
01:53:57,310 --> 01:54:03,270
being willing to work with him and find this solution which turned out to be well under budget

1490
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:08,750
to significantly ameliorate the risks here in this upcoming wet season.

1491
01:54:09,290 --> 01:54:14,470
And I do want to follow up on my predecessor here that it's not just the increased flows

1492
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:20,550
crews in Big Chico Creek that we will be seeing this year due to park fire, denudation of

1493
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:25,450
the slopes, but also that additional sedimentation is going to occur within the basin.

1494
01:54:26,130 --> 01:54:30,550
So however many tons have been deposited in each of the previous 60 years, it's going

1495
01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:34,250
to be significantly more in the upcoming winter, and therefore it is necessary to

1496
01:54:34,250 --> 01:54:36,470
make progress as quickly as possible.

1497
01:54:37,070 --> 01:54:42,650
So I think I would support working on a feasibility study immediately to look

1498
01:54:42,650 --> 01:54:46,590
if there really is a channelization option that would divert water, say,

1499
01:54:46,910 --> 01:54:53,250
through Sycamore into Sacramento River rather than trying to remove 100,000 tons

1500
01:54:53,250 --> 01:54:56,830
out of the basin in all of the possible environmental effects.

1501
01:54:57,250 --> 01:55:03,730
I do also want to say that the city of Chico, through their stormwater districts,

1502
01:55:04,190 --> 01:55:09,630
has imposed costs on, for example, people looking to develop in the El Monte area

1503
01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:16,770
before the annexation. And given the imposition that they were going to make on those taxpayers,

1504
01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:22,210
it's certainly reasonable for the City of Chico to contribute to this project. But I

1505
01:55:22,210 --> 01:55:27,790
agree that CSA 24 is more likely to be the best funding mechanism. And since we did come

1506
01:55:27,790 --> 01:55:31,850
in well under budget, we probably have the money somewhere to pay for at least a feasibility

1507
01:55:31,850 --> 01:55:35,930
study. And I agree that in the long term, if we can handle or something turnkey

1508
01:55:35,930 --> 01:55:39,950
to the city. It would be better for their public works department to be maintained as the long

1509
01:55:39,950 --> 01:55:45,870
run rather than county public works because we are already stretched too thin here and I agree with

1510
01:55:45,870 --> 01:55:51,850
District 5 supervisor that this is not a county issue in the long term. We just want to have

1511
01:55:51,850 --> 01:55:57,930
things resolved to a safe and stable state as quickly as possible and then wash our hands.

1512
01:55:58,630 --> 01:56:03,950
Thank you, John. Any other public comment? Anyone else out there want to talk?

1513
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:05,950
We'll close public comment.

1514
01:56:07,510 --> 01:56:09,630
What direction does this board want to go?

1515
01:56:09,970 --> 01:56:14,330
Supervisor Ritter, you want me to take a shot at a motion and see if you – sure.

1516
01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:15,050
So –

1517
01:56:15,050 --> 01:56:17,890
Do we need a motion or is this just a direction?

1518
01:56:18,590 --> 01:56:19,310
It is –

1519
01:56:20,390 --> 01:56:20,870
Yeah.

1520
01:56:21,650 --> 01:56:26,430
So, I'm thinking obviously take the lead on the project so we can get to that quickest

1521
01:56:26,930 --> 01:56:31,910
path of completion at this point by the alternative analysis and looking into the

1522
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:38,270
Prop 218 election for CSA 24 while at the same time, you know, recognize the city of

1523
01:56:38,270 --> 01:56:44,110
Chico is our partner in this and continuing that conversation with them for the increased

1524
01:56:44,110 --> 01:56:49,290
role that I think they need to be a part of, looking to the end game of getting this back

1525
01:56:49,290 --> 01:56:50,830
to the city because it's city jurisdiction.

1526
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:53,760
I would agree with that.

1527
01:56:53,860 --> 01:56:58,600
I would love to see, you know, folks like the Big Chico Creek Watershed Alliance or

1528
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:05,980
the stream watchers and folks who also have some investment in this be part of that longer

1529
01:57:05,980 --> 01:57:07,060
term conversation.

1530
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:07,800
Absolutely.

1531
01:57:08,220 --> 01:57:08,320
Yeah.

1532
01:57:09,500 --> 01:57:09,580
Yeah.

1533
01:57:10,460 --> 01:57:11,480
Other comments?

1534
01:57:14,060 --> 01:57:14,660
Yeah.

1535
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,340
I know option one is not going to fly with this crowd.

1536
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:24,860
But I think we need to be at least, you mentioned partner and then you mentioned turning it

1537
01:57:24,860 --> 01:57:30,700
over I'd be totally for your motion if you'd amend it that if we're taking the

1538
01:57:30,700 --> 01:57:37,720
lead when it's done we're going to push hard for the city to take it over from

1539
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:43,700
the county oh I think that's I just want to make that clear 100% all right yeah

1540
01:57:43,700 --> 01:57:47,940
that's the end game right the end game is well you said partner in there that's

1541
01:57:53,160 --> 01:58:01,000
It's not fair to give them that old 65 Cadillac without, you know, completely refurbishing

1542
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:01,320
it.

1543
01:58:01,500 --> 01:58:02,560
It could be worth a lot of money.

1544
01:58:02,940 --> 01:58:03,060
Okay.

1545
01:58:03,220 --> 01:58:03,760
That's true.

1546
01:58:03,940 --> 01:58:04,720
Then we'll hand it over.

1547
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:06,660
If I may interject for a second.

1548
01:58:06,980 --> 01:58:10,920
I'm hearing a couple different things and I had an idea that Popnitz, the risk of

1549
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:15,640
saying idea in the middle of deliberations, but there could be a parallel effort that

1550
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:21,260
could, without going down the path one, kind of set it up, potentially approaching the

1551
01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:26,420
city to enter into an MOU, kind of outlining the expectations over time. So, like, we're

1552
01:58:26,420 --> 01:58:30,660
going to deliver the project. We're going to go after CSA 24. The expectation is that

1553
01:58:30,660 --> 01:58:34,040
after we're done, we're going to look for scenarios that ultimately cede the responsibility.

1554
01:58:34,700 --> 01:58:39,160
Not necessarily fully binding, but have something that kind of sets the goalpost

1555
01:58:39,160 --> 01:58:43,880
now and then allows us to move forward without kind of dropping. If there's some

1556
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:47,660
concerns it kind of sets the line the same saying ultimately this isn't ours

1557
01:58:47,660 --> 01:58:51,600
but we're going to work forward at that done and doing that through an MOU with

1558
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:56,460
the city might be a solution my apologies for dropping so you know if to add that

1559
01:58:56,460 --> 01:59:02,540
as direction I'm good with that I'm good but that's fine yeah absolutely okay

1560
01:59:02,540 --> 01:59:06,260
we're not going to we're not going to move in second and have a motion no

1561
01:59:06,260 --> 01:59:09,680
direction to you so it's the other the other piece that I just want to

1562
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:17,260
put in here, because it was kind of a big disappointment when we did not get the federal

1563
01:59:17,260 --> 01:59:20,500
set aside for five miles.

1564
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:28,140
So I would like to make sure that from the county, you know, from this board that there

1565
01:59:28,140 --> 01:59:35,120
is a commitment to continue to keep that as a priority item with our representative

1566
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:42,820
on the congressional level and that if you know in the MOU perhaps the the city of

1567
01:59:42,820 --> 01:59:49,120
Chico could also be lobbying our Congress person that we would like that

1568
01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:56,860
particular earmark. I think you know yes that's great idea but you know we have

1569
01:59:57,300 --> 01:59:59,960
cohasit and erode, I mean, oh, it's fewer people.

1570
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:18,360
I'd rather see the priority come back as a separate discussion, so people could know that's

1571
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:25,040
on our agenda and come and speak before I say yes to what you said.

1572
02:00:25,740 --> 02:00:32,580
just to give them an opportunity? Sure, but as you just pointed out it is a lot

1573
02:00:32,580 --> 02:00:36,860
more people and a lot more properties that are acted so. But it's not on our

1574
02:00:36,860 --> 02:00:41,520
agenda to talk about district priorities. Well, it is a district

1575
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:47,860
priority that we're discussing. That's a little different I think. I mean I

1576
02:00:47,860 --> 02:00:53,460
think it's incumbent on us to figure out a way to fund this without our

1577
02:00:54,360 --> 02:01:00,460
So my question is to you, Director Pat, how do we begin the 218 process?

1578
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:03,520
Us or is that a LAFCO?

1579
02:01:03,780 --> 02:01:05,020
Yeah, so that involves both.

1580
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:11,640
So we carry the water for that for the most part, and then LAFCO ultimately approves any annexation or extension.

1581
02:01:11,980 --> 02:01:13,480
But we can start that process.

1582
02:01:14,380 --> 02:01:20,140
If I want to reiterate and clarify the direction to make sure that my successor knows what he or she is doing,

1583
02:01:20,140 --> 02:01:26,660
is moving forward with the project, with the county taking the lead. I think

1584
02:01:26,660 --> 02:01:29,860
there's some great questions that are here that we could vet later on. Right now

1585
02:01:29,860 --> 02:01:33,280
we do have sufficient funds to move this through the preliminary design stage,

1586
02:01:33,660 --> 02:01:37,960
even a potential Prop 218 election stage. So we're okay for now, especially

1587
02:01:37,960 --> 02:01:41,620
with the low costs that this project came in, it came in at $135,000 to

1588
02:01:41,620 --> 02:01:47,000
$150,000. So we move forward with that. At the same time, if the board's

1589
02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:53,140
I work in concert with the city on developing an MOU to outline the long-term expectations

1590
02:01:53,140 --> 02:01:56,360
for this, kind of the three-to-one scenario.

1591
02:01:57,180 --> 02:02:01,460
And then as far as the prop 2018 election, I think, again, my recommendation would be

1592
02:02:01,460 --> 02:02:04,800
to wait until we have a preferred alternative because that gives us guidance and clarity.

1593
02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:07,420
But then once that does, we'll have to form that out.

1594
02:02:08,100 --> 02:02:12,060
And I don't want to get out over my skis too much, but the timing kind of gets us

1595
02:02:12,060 --> 02:02:14,180
in the November of 2026 timeframe.

1596
02:02:14,180 --> 02:02:19,420
frame, you know, maybe there's an opportunity there to leverage the ballot there.

1597
02:02:19,720 --> 02:02:25,900
I'd have to have a conversation with Director Dan Lee, but, you know, either way, that's

1598
02:02:25,900 --> 02:02:28,040
going to be an effort that's beyond our staff level.

1599
02:02:28,220 --> 02:02:29,040
It's not a 20 person.

1600
02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:35,040
But that, I mean, I agree like we would look at CSA 24 and the properties that benefit

1601
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:37,740
from that and develop the boundary based on that.

1602
02:02:37,980 --> 02:02:42,000
And one of the value pieces of this is there's so many parcels in there that

1603
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:47,280
But the actual assessments, we're not talking like many hundreds or thousands of dollars.

1604
02:02:47,620 --> 02:02:52,360
We're talking about a pretty modest assessment that could potentially not only provide long-term

1605
02:02:52,360 --> 02:02:56,180
flood protection, the ability to leverage funding to deliver some of these other issues

1606
02:02:56,180 --> 02:03:00,660
including what Mr. Herringer talked about, and then ultimately the insurance piece where

1607
02:03:00,660 --> 02:03:05,760
folks in the Sabufka district have seen considerable savings far outstripping the annual assessments

1608
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:06,340
they get charged.

1609
02:03:06,540 --> 02:03:08,520
So these are all things that we can deal with down the road.

1610
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:12,840
but I think barring any other feedback, I've got pretty clear direction on the next steps for this.

1611
02:03:13,180 --> 02:03:20,120
All right. Any other comments? Okay. Thank you. Great discussion. It is a little after 11.

1612
02:03:20,280 --> 02:03:27,660
We're going to break till 11.15 and we're really close to the Williamson Act discussion.

1613
02:03:27,900 --> 02:03:33,260
I know there's some of you here that would like to talk about that. So we will break

1614
02:03:33,260 --> 02:03:39,120
and we will reconvene at 11.15. Thank you, Director Pack. Appreciate it very much.

1615
02:05:50,620 --> 02:05:55,100
Okay, we're going to reconvene. If I could have Director Danielek come up.

1616
02:05:56,500 --> 02:06:01,700
We're moving on to our next timed item that was supposed to be at 10.30,

1617
02:06:01,860 --> 02:06:06,240
but now we will take it on. And then after that we have two items

1618
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:14,660
before we get to the Williamson Act discussion. So we will get there. I apologize for this

1619
02:06:14,660 --> 02:06:20,800
taking a little longer than we had some good discussion. Okay, with that, item 5.2, this

1620
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:26,280
is a public hearing for the Maidu Mountain Lion Housing Development General Plan Amendment

1621
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:29,300
and rezone. Right. How about it guys?

1622
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:30,100
Thank you.

1623
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:36,440
With me today is Roland Hickl, who is the project planner on this project.

1624
02:06:37,080 --> 02:06:43,880
This is a project that we have worked collaboratively with Northern Circle Indian Housing Authority

1625
02:06:44,220 --> 02:06:50,360
to help them be able to bring a project to completion that has a lot of various grant

1626
02:06:50,360 --> 02:06:51,960
funding involved in it.

1627
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:56,920
And so with that, I will have Roland walk you through the project itself.

1628
02:06:56,920 --> 02:06:58,460
Thank you.

1629
02:06:59,060 --> 02:07:00,940
Chair Kimmelchew, members of the board.

1630
02:07:01,380 --> 02:07:04,920
So before you this morning, we have three applications for the Pose Maidu

1631
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:07,220
Mountain Lion Housing Development.

1632
02:07:07,580 --> 02:07:11,920
It's a 22-unit single-family and duplex development located in East

1633
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:12,260
Orville.

1634
02:07:14,300 --> 02:07:14,760
Next slide.

1635
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:20,220
So the General Plan Amendment would change the land use designation from

1636
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:23,980
medium-density residential to plan unit development.

1637
02:07:23,980 --> 02:07:32,740
The rezone would change the zoning from medium-density residential to plan development, and then there's also a tentative parcel map application.

1638
02:07:33,980 --> 02:07:47,000
The Planning Commission had reviewed this project back on September 25th and recommended with a 5-0 vote to approve the project and find the project exempt from an environmental review.

1639
02:07:47,940 --> 02:07:57,540
This project site is located is a 7.76 acre property located at 4001 Hilldale Avenue.

1640
02:07:57,860 --> 02:08:02,960
It's immediately north of Mountain View Drive in East Orville and within the

1641
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:10,780
city's spear of influence. The site is level. It has is developed with a single

1642
02:08:10,780 --> 02:08:18,000
family residence in an existing detached shop. It has a native oak, vegetation, and grassland

1643
02:08:18,780 --> 02:08:26,440
site. Property is currently zone MDR. The property is surrounded by existing single

1644
02:08:26,440 --> 02:08:32,560
family residences to the southeast and west. Meadly to the north is the Gold Country Casino.

1645
02:08:35,900 --> 02:08:42,520
And then the site is served by the South Feather Water and Power, and then Lake Orville

1646
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:46,040
Public Utility District provides public sewer to the site.

1647
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:51,140
So development is going to be undertaken in two phases.

1648
02:08:51,420 --> 02:08:55,880
The first phase is 12 single-family homes on 4.5 acres.

1649
02:08:56,920 --> 02:09:03,240
The second phase will be five duplex units over 2.8 acres.

1650
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:10,040
And then the total density is 2.8 units per acre, which is less than half of what

1651
02:09:10,040 --> 02:09:13,440
would be allowed under the medium density residential zone.

1652
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:15,780
Existing residents will be demolished,

1653
02:09:16,060 --> 02:09:19,180
and then the existing shop will remain on site.

1654
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:20,280
Next slide.

1655
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:25,380
And so these images are what the homes would

1656
02:09:25,380 --> 02:09:26,480
look like on the property.

1657
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:29,060
There are two different kinds of single-family homes

1658
02:09:29,060 --> 02:09:29,620
on the property.

1659
02:09:29,800 --> 02:09:32,100
There's a two-bedroom, two-unit, or two-bath.

1660
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:35,000
And there's a three-bedroom, two-bath unit.

1661
02:09:35,560 --> 02:09:39,540
The duplex units are two-bedroom, one-bath.

1662
02:09:39,540 --> 02:09:45,780
at each will have a garage, there'll be sufficient off-street parking, roof mounted solar and

1663
02:09:45,780 --> 02:09:52,740
then the single family homes will have fencing and their own individual yards. Next slide.

1664
02:09:54,180 --> 02:09:59,280
So the roads are three new roads that provide access to the property. You know, way to Kim

1665
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:06,020
Court. These will be constructed to a 40-foot wide travel lay, curbs and gutters and a six-foot

1666
02:10:06,020 --> 02:10:07,080
But why sidewalk?

1667
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:11,520
Hipping them, lane would be built to the same standard,

1668
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:13,280
but without sidewalks, these are going

1669
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:16,820
to be gated access roads gated at Hilldale Avenue

1670
02:10:16,820 --> 02:10:19,280
and then gated also at the casino

1671
02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:20,960
where it goes through to there.

1672
02:10:22,140 --> 02:10:26,580
So these road standards do meet the city's and the county's

1673
02:10:26,580 --> 02:10:29,040
road standards, the typical development.

1674
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:31,920
There's going to be an on-site stormwater retention

1675
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:39,960
Pond also constructed at the site. Next slide. So we are seeking or we are

1676
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:47,520
recommending the project be exempt from CEQA under section 15183 and this is to

1677
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:50,860
streamline the environmental review process for projects that are

1678
02:10:50,860 --> 02:10:55,300
consistent with the uses and the zoning and the general plan for which a

1679
02:10:55,300 --> 02:10:59,960
environmental impact was perfectly prepared and certified for the

1680
02:10:59,960 --> 02:11:06,960
project back in 2023 when the general plan was adopted. These units are similar

1681
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:11,260
to the styles that we would find in that area and then the density is similar as

1682
02:11:11,260 --> 02:11:15,880
well. We did not find any additional environmental impacts on the site. That

1683
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:19,500
would be significant. And that concludes my report. If there's any other

1684
02:11:19,500 --> 02:11:25,060
questions, I'm happy to answer those. I'd like to let everybody know I've

1685
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:32,160
work for Northern Circle in years past. I haven't done it in the last decade or so.

1686
02:11:32,380 --> 02:11:38,800
But they're very professional. They build a good quality home above requirements.

1687
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:43,560
And I'm fully supportive of this project. There's a need.

1688
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:48,860
And I commend the tribe for stepping up to provide housing.

1689
02:11:50,640 --> 02:11:52,640
Other questions, comments, and board members?

1690
02:11:52,640 --> 02:11:58,880
I just had a question. I didn't see it in the report. You said it was a blue oak area.

1691
02:12:00,220 --> 02:12:08,360
And I didn't see, I'm guessing, since you're asking to wave Sequa, they're not, they're

1692
02:12:08,360 --> 02:12:09,440
leaving the oaks.

1693
02:12:10,980 --> 02:12:15,320
There are going to be some blue oaks that would be removed from the site. They are

1694
02:12:15,320 --> 02:12:20,760
replanting. So whatever would remain is there. They would protect those trees and

1695
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:25,420
and then they will be replanting something like 47 oak trees on site.

1696
02:12:26,700 --> 02:12:30,140
Did I miss where it said how many were being removed?

1697
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:35,080
We don't have that number at this time.

1698
02:12:35,260 --> 02:12:37,440
And a lot of them have already been removed for the development.

1699
02:12:38,500 --> 02:12:45,000
So, Supervisor Ritter, part of the conversation is surrounding the CEQA exemption.

1700
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:54,560
And to be very clear, the environmental that was done that this is tearing off of is the

1701
02:12:54,560 --> 02:13:01,220
previous environmental that considered those type of impacts on a more global expanse

1702
02:13:01,220 --> 02:13:06,560
in the general plan from the land use density assignments in the land use categories.

1703
02:13:07,380 --> 02:13:13,580
The exemption that is being used is specific to the fact that the density in land use

1704
02:13:13,580 --> 02:13:17,700
is in compliance with the previously approved document.

1705
02:13:18,360 --> 02:13:25,500
The reason that this is coming forward in this entitlement is because they want to have

1706
02:13:25,500 --> 02:13:32,380
community ownership of the property, but the layout of it and the density of it is the

1707
02:13:32,380 --> 02:13:36,220
same as would have been considered under that general plan EIR.

1708
02:13:36,740 --> 02:13:43,080
So because it is exempt from CEQA, we don't go to those next levels of environmental

1709
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:50,680
all review. Thank you. Other questions, comments, any public comment on this item?

1710
02:13:51,080 --> 02:13:52,820
Yes, I have one card from Mike Nelson.

1711
02:13:57,100 --> 02:13:57,520
Good morning.

1712
02:13:59,880 --> 02:14:01,340
Good morning Chair Kimmel

1713
02:14:01,340 --> 02:14:05,960
Shoe and Board of Supervisors. My name is Mike Nelson. I'm the agent for the

1714
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:10,500
applicant for Berry Creek and Northern Circle Indian Housing Authority who

1715
02:14:10,500 --> 02:14:15,760
members are here in our audience this morning and I just wanted to say we

1716
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:18,720
We really appreciate how the county handled this.

1717
02:14:18,980 --> 02:14:20,340
In case you don't hear this often,

1718
02:14:20,460 --> 02:14:22,480
your staff did a fantastic job.

1719
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,100
We really appreciate how they process the project.

1720
02:14:25,300 --> 02:14:26,660
They did it in a timely fashion

1721
02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:28,780
and we're getting this done in time

1722
02:14:28,780 --> 02:14:31,680
to go to construction in spring 2026.

1723
02:14:32,300 --> 02:14:34,900
Project is fully funded and ready to go

1724
02:14:34,900 --> 02:14:37,200
as soon as we get through the building permit process.

1725
02:14:37,580 --> 02:14:38,720
So just wanted to say thank you

1726
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:40,260
and appreciate your staff's work.

1727
02:14:40,980 --> 02:14:42,080
Well, that's great to hear.

1728
02:14:42,180 --> 02:14:42,980
Thank you very much.

1729
02:14:42,980 --> 02:14:49,680
we we appreciate our staff as well okay any more public comment no further

1730
02:14:49,680 --> 02:14:54,560
comment close public comment wishes the board make a motion to approve second

1731
02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:59,940
okay we have a motion this would adopt the resolution and author is

1732
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,760
Chair to sign. The second is adopt the ordinance and authorize chair to sign. Is that correct? Okay.

1733
02:15:05,400 --> 02:15:12,780
All those in favor? Aye. Oppose? Passes. Thank you very much. All right, we're going to have

1734
02:15:13,460 --> 02:15:21,480
Director of Water Resources and Conservation, Kami Loser, come up and this is item 4.6 and

1735
02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:26,380
I could read it, but I'm going to have you explain what this is all about. It's a little

1736
02:15:26,380 --> 02:15:29,100
complicated. It's not. Okay, good.

1737
02:15:31,180 --> 02:15:33,340
It's still morning, right? Good morning, Chair

1738
02:15:33,340 --> 02:15:36,920
Kimmelchew, members of the board, Camie Loser, your director of water and

1739
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:42,980
resource conservation. Today's item includes the initiation of the process

1740
02:15:42,980 --> 02:15:46,760
to amend an existing agreement between Butte County and the California

1741
02:15:46,760 --> 02:15:56,360
Department of Water Resources, or DWR, for the delivery of PG&E's non-

1742
02:15:56,360 --> 02:16:02,740
Cal Water in Oroville, an approval of a resolution for a California Environmental Quality Act or

1743
02:16:02,740 --> 02:16:10,320
CEQA notice of exemption. Point of clarification, non-project water is water that is other than

1744
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:17,340
state water project table A water. And under article 55 of the county's state water project

1745
02:16:17,340 --> 02:16:23,220
contract, the county is authorized to convey non-project water through state facilities with

1746
02:16:23,220 --> 02:16:28,860
DWR approval. So, just as some more background, Cal Water Orville purchases

1747
02:16:28,860 --> 02:16:35,200
about 3,000 acre feet of water per year from PG&E. Historically, that water was

1748
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:39,900
conveyed through the myosin canal system to Lime Saddle Powerhouse and back

1749
02:16:39,900 --> 02:16:45,520
into Lake Orville. Then Cal Water Treatment Plant picked it up in the

1750
02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:50,960
Powers Canal. However, after the 2018 campfire destroyed large portions of the

1751
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:54,540
biasing canal, as you know, making that route unusable.

1752
02:16:55,740 --> 02:17:02,820
So in 2019, to maintain the delivery, the county and DWR executed a temporary emergency

1753
02:17:02,820 --> 02:17:09,400
amendment to the agreement allowing the diversion and measurement from the upper biasing canal.

1754
02:17:09,540 --> 02:17:13,960
So it was diverted off the west branch into the upper biasing, measured and dumped back

1755
02:17:13,960 --> 02:17:18,280
into the west branch, and then ultimately into Lake Orville for delivery.

1756
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:22,060
And that amendment was also extended to 2027.

1757
02:17:22,740 --> 02:17:29,060
So the currently proposed change is instead of diverting the water from the rest branch

1758
02:17:29,060 --> 02:17:34,120
into the upper myosin, PG&E would like to just leave the water in the river.

1759
02:17:34,640 --> 02:17:41,000
And in order to do this, Butte County needs to amend submit a request to DWR to amend

1760
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:41,440
the agreement.

1761
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:49,620
Again, the proposed amendment would allow non-project water to be kept in the west branch, flowing

1762
02:17:49,620 --> 02:17:55,220
past the myosin head dam into Lake Oroville and using an existing stream gauge to measure

1763
02:17:55,700 --> 02:17:57,300
the water for reporting.

1764
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:03,480
This change simplifies operations, eliminates the use of the upper myosin and ensures

1765
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:07,900
continued water deliveries to Cal water and ultimately the city of Oroville.

1766
02:18:07,900 --> 02:18:14,980
In addition, processing the amendment must also comply with CEQA, and because the amendment

1767
02:18:14,980 --> 02:18:20,520
does not change the amount of water conveyed or introduced new construction or facilities

1768
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:27,420
that qualifies as a categorical exemption under CEQA, section 15301, existing facilities.

1769
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:32,320
Included in your packet is a resolution for notice of exemption that once signed will

1770
02:18:32,320 --> 02:18:34,840
be filed with both the county clerk and the state clearinghouse.

1771
02:18:35,720 --> 02:18:42,320
Today's requested action is adopt the resolution of proving the CEQA notice of exemption and

1772
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:46,900
authorize the chair to sign and authorize me, the director of water and resource conservation,

1773
02:18:47,560 --> 02:18:54,240
to sign and submit a letter to DWR requesting the amendment through our agreement that would

1774
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:58,860
modify the point of diversion and measurement and extend the contract for another 10 years

1775
02:18:58,860 --> 02:19:03,660
to December of 2037. Easy peasy.

1776
02:19:05,860 --> 02:19:13,820
Are there any impacts on the area surrounding the upper

1777
02:19:13,820 --> 02:19:21,900
myocene? No, it only travels for about 1,000 feet down the myocene and is diverted back

1778
02:19:21,900 --> 02:19:22,120
in.

1779
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:27,660
Thank you the river. They were just using the my scene for bookkeeping. Yeah, this simplifies

1780
02:19:27,660 --> 02:19:32,660
it. Drop it in the river. Okay any other comments from board members? Okay any public comment on

1781
02:19:32,660 --> 02:19:38,820
this item? All right, post public comment. Move staff recommendation. Oh second there.

1782
02:19:38,940 --> 02:19:45,760
There's a second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Thank you Cammie for that good explanation.

1783
02:19:45,760 --> 02:19:52,760
All right, we're going to move on to item 7, excuse me, 4.7, the Williamson Act Direct

1784
02:19:52,760 --> 02:19:53,420
Charge.

1785
02:19:53,620 --> 02:19:57,600
And I'm going to turn it over to Chief Administrative Officer Andy Pickett for an explanation.

1786
02:19:58,040 --> 02:19:58,680
Yes, thank you.

1787
02:19:58,820 --> 02:20:04,520
And with me today is Alyssa Douglas, the County Assessor, and Kevin Taggart, Deputy

1788
02:20:04,520 --> 02:20:07,260
CAO, and who's also the County's Budget Director.

1789
02:20:08,220 --> 02:20:13,040
In a previous board meeting, the Assessor gave a presentation on the Williamson

1790
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:19,500
Act and the AB 1265 Direct Charge Program. She explained in that presentation that this

1791
02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:24,060
year's taxes are somewhat of an anomaly, that were in addition to the reassessment

1792
02:20:24,060 --> 02:20:30,740
of values, we also had a new GSA fees that were included in there, and also a one-time

1793
02:20:30,740 --> 02:20:37,180
spike in the state mandated capitalization rates. So both of these things are expected

1794
02:20:37,180 --> 02:20:43,940
to decrease next year, meaning that we anticipate that Williams and Act landowners will see

1795
02:20:43,940 --> 02:20:46,800
a decrease in their tax bills next year.

1796
02:20:47,540 --> 02:20:53,400
So after the assessor gave the presentation, the board directed staff to return and report

1797
02:20:53,400 --> 02:20:59,280
on the fiscal impacts that would be of ending the AB 1265 program.

1798
02:20:59,620 --> 02:21:00,980
And that's what we're doing here today.

1799
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,600
So I'm going to use a real life example to illustrate the points that I'll be

1800
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:05,940
making.

1801
02:21:05,940 --> 02:21:07,880
So, would you go to the next slide, please?

1802
02:21:08,740 --> 02:21:15,320
I'm going to use an example of a ranch that is rangeland, a little over 500 acres.

1803
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:22,500
So if we look at this property, the Prop 13 tax associated with this is just a little

1804
02:21:22,500 --> 02:21:23,660
over $5,000.

1805
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:29,520
And now, just as a reminder, the property tax is the single biggest source of general

1806
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:30,780
fund for the county.

1807
02:21:31,440 --> 02:21:36,820
The county doesn't get all of that that is shown in the blue column, but it does get

1808
02:21:36,820 --> 02:21:37,720
a portion of it.

1809
02:21:38,120 --> 02:21:42,680
And that portion is used almost exclusively for public safety and for library.

1810
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:49,700
Now, when an ag property owner places a property in the Williamson Act, they agree to keep

1811
02:21:49,700 --> 02:21:55,860
the property in ag and open space instead of developing it for non-ag uses.

1812
02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:57,400
Next slide, please.

1813
02:21:57,400 --> 02:22:03,580
In exchange for doing that, the property owner gets a significant reduction in their property

1814
02:22:03,580 --> 02:22:04,060
tax.

1815
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:10,680
In our example, the owner goes from paying a little over $5,000 in property taxes to

1816
02:22:10,680 --> 02:22:16,300
paying a little over $1,400 in property taxes.

1817
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:21,240
Now let's remember that this is the county's major funding source for local programs.

1818
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:25,120
And when the state passed the Williams and Act, they knew that this was the case.

1819
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:31,920
So, at the beginning of the Williamson Act, the state, they provided the county the amount

1820
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:36,560
of money that would be roughly equal to what funding we would have lost because of this

1821
02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:37,120
program.

1822
02:22:37,740 --> 02:22:39,840
In that sense, we were held harmless.

1823
02:22:40,020 --> 02:22:42,360
It was a win-win situation for us at the time.

1824
02:22:43,180 --> 02:22:50,820
But about 15 years ago, the state decided to stop this backfill and the state knew

1825
02:22:50,820 --> 02:22:56,880
at that time that this would create serious budget issues for counties to do this.

1826
02:22:57,280 --> 02:23:02,620
So they created a method to fix this thing that they had just broken.

1827
02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:11,260
And that method they created would help counties maintain their budgets, were also allowing

1828
02:23:11,260 --> 02:23:14,960
properties to continue to benefit from the Williamson Act.

1829
02:23:15,060 --> 02:23:18,240
And that fix that they did was the AB 1265 program.

1830
02:23:19,820 --> 02:23:27,160
The property owner gets to benefit from substantially lower property taxes and then the property

1831
02:23:27,160 --> 02:23:34,100
owner sends a small amount of their savings directly to the county in order to essentially

1832
02:23:34,100 --> 02:23:37,840
backfill the state's portion of what they were doing.

1833
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:40,200
That's really what this came down to be.

1834
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:47,540
So it allowed the properties to stay in the Williamson Act and the counties to continue to provide the services that they were using without funding.

1835
02:23:47,540 --> 02:23:48,560
Next slide, please.

1836
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:57,080
In our real life example, when you add the AB 1265 direct charge, the property tax now

1837
02:23:57,080 --> 02:23:59,560
becomes a little under $1800.

1838
02:24:00,360 --> 02:24:05,240
The difference between the orange and the green is what we're discussing today, that

1839
02:24:05,240 --> 02:24:09,740
the difference in this instance is $362 for this property.

1840
02:24:10,760 --> 02:24:17,780
From the county's perspective, $362 may not seem like much, but when you take that small

1841
02:24:17,780 --> 02:24:24,080
increase between the two and you look at all of the properties in the Williamson Act throughout

1842
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:26,680
the county, that adds up to $700,000.

1843
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:33,900
And when you look at that $700,000, you think of our context of we have a billion-dollar

1844
02:24:33,900 --> 02:24:38,740
budget, the first take is that it may not seem like a lot, but we have to keep

1845
02:24:38,740 --> 02:24:43,880
a couple of things in mind. First of all, of that billion-plus dollar budget that we have,

1846
02:24:44,100 --> 02:24:51,040
80% of that is restricted funding. That means that you have no discretion over that money.

1847
02:24:51,700 --> 02:25:00,100
That could not be used to backfill the $700,000. The rest of that money, that 20%,

1848
02:25:00,100 --> 02:25:03,860
includes a number of things, but mostly we can call that the general fund.

1849
02:25:03,860 --> 02:25:12,900
And this is the fund that we used to pay for sheriff, fire, criminal prosecution, probation, and libraries.

1850
02:25:14,260 --> 02:25:19,820
Now, as a reminder, that fund, that general fund, this was the fund that was in such bad shape

1851
02:25:19,820 --> 02:25:23,600
that for so many years we had to keep making reductions to these programs

1852
02:25:23,600 --> 02:25:32,540
that last year the voters agreed by 68% to tax themselves to restore these services that we had been reducing over the years.

1853
02:25:32,540 --> 02:25:35,300
That was Measure H, and that produced $44 million.

1854
02:25:36,340 --> 02:25:43,680
That money from Measure H, every cent from that has been budgeted towards these programs

1855
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:44,480
that I just mentioned.

1856
02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:49,140
In the Sheriff's Office, we've been able to add correctional deputies to be able to

1857
02:25:49,140 --> 02:25:49,800
open the jail.

1858
02:25:50,900 --> 02:25:57,940
We restored deputy sheriff positions to restore our patrols, also to restore the designated

1859
02:25:57,940 --> 02:26:00,420
area deputy programs in the fire department.

1860
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:03,780
We brought staffing up to industry standards.

1861
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,260
We had been running below industry standards for many years.

1862
02:26:06,740 --> 02:26:09,160
We've been able to reopen our winter fire stations,

1863
02:26:09,700 --> 02:26:14,400
set aside funding to repair and replace our old dilapidated fire stations.

1864
02:26:15,100 --> 02:26:16,820
In the DA's office with this money,

1865
02:26:16,860 --> 02:26:22,200
we've been able to restore the criminal prosecution that we have cut over the years.

1866
02:26:22,760 --> 02:26:25,960
Likewise, in probation, we've restored the probation officers

1867
02:26:26,780 --> 02:26:30,760
so they can have case flows that they can pay attention to the individuals.

1868
02:26:32,060 --> 02:26:36,380
In the library we added positions back so we could reopen the libraries to historical

1869
02:26:36,380 --> 02:26:36,780
levels.

1870
02:26:37,660 --> 02:26:43,640
Now in addition to restoring these positions, we were able to take the salaries and make

1871
02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:46,980
them bring them to a competitive level.

1872
02:26:47,440 --> 02:26:51,000
Last week the sheriff was here getting a presentation and he touched on this subject.

1873
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:56,580
He touched on adding the positions, but also on making the salaries competitive because

1874
02:26:57,160 --> 02:27:01,600
he said that having the positions is nothing if you can't fill them.

1875
02:27:01,880 --> 02:27:03,460
Vacancies do us no good.

1876
02:27:04,520 --> 02:27:10,500
So the retooling of public safety and libraries has accounted for every measure, every penny

1877
02:27:10,500 --> 02:27:13,800
of measure H currently and going forward.

1878
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:17,240
So what I'm saying is that there's no leftover funding at this point.

1879
02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:18,520
It's been programmed.

1880
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:34,640
So if we were to take the $700,000 and reduce revenue by that amount, we would have to because we have a balanced budget, we would have to reduce our expenditures alike amount in order to maintain balance.

1881
02:27:35,880 --> 02:27:44,380
So in order to give you a sense of what that would look like by department where this would come from, here is what it would look like by department.

1882
02:27:45,240 --> 02:27:50,560
In the sheriff's office, that would mean reducing four-and-a-half sheriff's deputy positions,

1883
02:27:51,060 --> 02:27:53,560
essentially the designated area deputy program.

1884
02:27:54,120 --> 02:27:57,120
Or in the probation department, that would be seven-and-a-half probation officers,

1885
02:27:57,240 --> 02:28:01,020
meaning we would go back to banked caseloads in many instances.

1886
02:28:01,580 --> 02:28:06,140
In the DA's office, it would be a reduction of four criminal prosecutors.

1887
02:28:06,980 --> 02:28:11,160
Or in the fire department, it would mean the closure of three winter fire stations.

1888
02:28:12,540 --> 02:28:19,720
or in the library it would mean 21% reduction in staffing, which translates to scaling back

1889
02:28:19,720 --> 02:28:25,740
the number of days that the library is open to the public. So for these reasons staff recommends

1890
02:28:25,740 --> 02:28:31,160
keeping the AB 1265 program as is presently constituted and today we're here looking

1891
02:28:31,160 --> 02:28:34,480
for direction from your board. That concludes my report.

1892
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:38,440
Okay, comments, questions, comments

1893
02:28:38,440 --> 02:28:39,180
from board members?

1894
02:28:42,760 --> 02:28:51,660
I don't even think measure H, you know, that portion of the general fund should even be

1895
02:28:51,660 --> 02:29:00,260
a consideration because we made a commitment to the voters when we said what measure H

1896
02:29:00,260 --> 02:29:13,760
was going to be for, and while we did not do, you know, a specific tax that required, you know, more than 50% of the vote or 65% of the vote, we had it.

1897
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:20,340
So we need to keep, we need to keep our agreement with our constituents.

1898
02:29:23,180 --> 02:29:33,240
Andy, you'd mentioned that this AB 1265 tax is in the bills right now that have been submitted

1899
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:36,840
and will be paid in December and April, correct?

1900
02:29:36,860 --> 02:29:37,660
It's built in already.

1901
02:29:37,800 --> 02:29:38,660
It's already been built.

1902
02:29:39,220 --> 02:29:41,780
What we're talking about is for next year, correct?

1903
02:29:42,840 --> 02:29:43,840
And years to come.

1904
02:29:44,260 --> 02:29:44,480
Correct.

1905
02:29:44,740 --> 02:29:45,000
Okay.

1906
02:29:45,000 --> 02:29:50,600
Okay, and you mentioned that you believe that the tax will be lower next year.

1907
02:29:51,140 --> 02:29:52,480
Can you explain that again?

1908
02:29:52,740 --> 02:29:57,100
I will defer to the assessor on the explanation of the technical aspects of this.

1909
02:29:57,220 --> 02:29:57,420
Okay.

1910
02:29:59,220 --> 02:29:59,940
Why is it higher?

1911
02:30:05,400 --> 02:30:15,400
Okay, so we have a statutory rate that has to be applied each year when we come up with

1912
02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:20,700
the valuations. Now, there's a formula when you're doing income capitalization. We call

1913
02:30:20,700 --> 02:30:28,040
it IRV. What is it? It's income divided by rate equals your value, okay? So the rate

1914
02:30:28,040 --> 02:30:33,780
State is what we can't control because the state is giving us that.

1915
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:41,440
So since 1998, that rate has resulted in higher valuations, okay?

1916
02:30:41,880 --> 02:30:47,460
It came from the years of 2021 to 2023.

1917
02:30:47,460 --> 02:30:57,660
That rate yielded the greatest values since this has been recorded, the yield rates, okay?

1918
02:30:58,400 --> 02:31:02,660
Well, in 2024, there was a little bit of a reprieve.

1919
02:31:02,780 --> 02:31:07,880
The rates were adjusted by the state, resulting in a lower value.

1920
02:31:08,360 --> 02:31:13,020
This year, again, for 2025, the values went down again.

1921
02:31:13,020 --> 02:31:24,700
There's no way to predict where that rate is going to take us, but everybody should have seen a reduction this year on their tax bill for that reason.

1922
02:31:25,240 --> 02:31:30,860
And you expect that to be, again, the same. You don't know, for 26.

1923
02:31:31,660 --> 02:31:32,480
No idea.

1924
02:31:33,160 --> 02:31:40,140
So, it inched, it was three-quarters of a percent was the change, but now we're back

1925
02:31:40,140 --> 02:31:44,260
to where rates were in 2017-2018.

1926
02:31:44,900 --> 02:31:46,180
So, it's considerably lower.

1927
02:31:46,860 --> 02:31:46,960
Yeah.

1928
02:31:47,340 --> 02:31:47,600
Thank you.

1929
02:31:47,720 --> 02:31:51,260
And in addition to that, the GSA fees have been adjusted going forward.

1930
02:31:51,640 --> 02:31:52,020
Correct.

1931
02:31:52,540 --> 02:31:57,920
Well, wind-up was ahead of the curve, but now we have to readjust, but yeah.

1932
02:31:58,180 --> 02:31:59,920
I just want to point that out.

1933
02:32:01,320 --> 02:32:09,920
There were some issues though also with the GSA fees and so were those already adjusted

1934
02:32:10,920 --> 02:32:15,300
like back for the people who were overcharged?

1935
02:32:16,440 --> 02:32:19,260
Do we know the status of that?

1936
02:32:20,460 --> 02:32:23,580
I don't think that we have that information right now.

1937
02:32:23,580 --> 02:32:29,960
Well, I think Director Loser, do you want to tackle that question?

1938
02:32:30,300 --> 02:32:30,440
Yeah.

1939
02:32:30,640 --> 02:32:32,080
Can we retroactively?

1940
02:32:32,740 --> 02:32:33,720
Before I butcher it.

1941
02:32:34,600 --> 02:32:36,460
Well, let's hear you butcher it first.

1942
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:36,740
Okay.

1943
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:42,120
Hello again.

1944
02:32:42,380 --> 02:32:45,140
Some of the fees for...

1945
02:32:45,140 --> 02:32:46,140
This one's sensitive.

1946
02:32:46,140 --> 02:32:54,620
Some of the fees were fixed in the original or the initial assessment for the Vina Groundwater

1947
02:32:54,620 --> 02:33:04,220
Sustainability Agency. In the other, for Wyandotte Creek and for, I'll say, most of the parcels

1948
02:33:04,220 --> 02:33:12,520
within Vina, it wasn't adjusted because it was a matter of cents, less than $2, but

1949
02:33:12,520 --> 02:33:18,580
a majority was $0.05, so it wasn't adjusted. In Vina, they've adopted a new fee, and so

1950
02:33:18,580 --> 02:33:25,660
it's been fixed. And then in Wyandotte Creek, they did a different method for assessing

1951
02:33:25,660 --> 02:33:28,140
the values, and so it was corrected that way.

1952
02:33:29,320 --> 02:33:34,180
Yeah, but what we're really talking about today is the Williamson Act, the 10 percent.

1953
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:42,700
And is it right, 10% or whatever, it was just called the AB 1265 charge.

1954
02:33:43,860 --> 02:33:49,620
Yeah, it's the difference between if you recall the visual of the two columns on the right,

1955
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:53,380
that little portion, the 362 in the example that I had up on the screen.

1956
02:33:54,920 --> 02:33:55,400
Okay.

1957
02:33:57,560 --> 02:34:03,720
I'm going to have a public comment, but I've also asked Andy Pickett if we could

1958
02:34:03,720 --> 02:34:09,560
move this down the road to another meeting to discuss further. This is not time sensitive

1959
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:15,300
because it will not affect the this year's bills that we got. It will be next year's

1960
02:34:15,300 --> 02:34:20,380
tax bills. And the reason I'm asking it to be delayed is because I got several emails

1961
02:34:20,380 --> 02:34:24,980
and text for people that could not be here today to discuss that.

1962
02:34:28,420 --> 02:34:29,440
Sorry, can I interrupt you?

1963
02:34:29,620 --> 02:34:29,800
Yeah.

1964
02:34:30,460 --> 02:34:35,900
So the only thing I ask is, as we move it down the road or whatever, at budgetary time,

1965
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:43,740
when the budget comes forward, moving forward just to have that conversation within the budget team

1966
02:34:43,740 --> 02:34:51,880
as far as the discussion of, as far as that amount, you know, is this a year or does it

1967
02:34:51,880 --> 02:34:56,740
look like this? Is it even possible? Because we don't know what measure age or which,

1968
02:34:56,860 --> 02:35:00,800
again, I agree with Supervisor Ritter, but we don't know what the funding sources are

1969
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:05,060
going to look like five years from now, four years from now. It might be great

1970
02:35:05,060 --> 02:35:10,520
and it might not be great. We can't project that moving forward. So I think a yearly

1971
02:35:10,520 --> 02:35:15,500
evaluation of it is at least the fairest thing we could do moving forward minimum.

1972
02:35:16,100 --> 02:35:17,200
So that's just my request.

1973
02:35:17,880 --> 02:35:18,800
Again, it's just direction.

1974
02:35:19,780 --> 02:35:21,240
Supervisor Ritter, did you have a comment?

1975
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:29,060
When you say move it down the road, are you suggesting that we bring this back to the

1976
02:35:29,060 --> 02:35:29,720
board again?

1977
02:35:29,940 --> 02:35:30,200
Yes.

1978
02:35:30,600 --> 02:35:34,360
I don't know that I am supportive of that.

1979
02:35:34,360 --> 02:35:45,380
But basically, if we were giving directions today, my direction would be we don't have

1980
02:35:45,380 --> 02:35:52,080
dollars to make this up, and so it would need to be part of the budget process, and that's

1981
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:56,420
the next time this should be discussed is when we're talking about the budget.

1982
02:35:56,600 --> 02:36:03,680
This provides two thirds of the backfill that we need, and I am not willing to undo

1983
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:09,820
any of the decisions that we made regarding law enforcement and the jail

1984
02:36:09,820 --> 02:36:16,980
and probation and the library so you know this could be a discussion during

1985
02:36:16,980 --> 02:36:22,600
budgetary time but I don't I don't foresee myself changing my mind unless some

1986
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:25,920
other funding source becomes available that could backfill this. I was just

1987
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:30,260
doing it to allow the public comment for the people that are most affected

1988
02:36:30,260 --> 02:36:36,720
by this. That's that's only reason I did it. So with that we will open it up for

1989
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:42,200
public comment now. Public comment on this item. Yes I received one email comment

1990
02:36:42,200 --> 02:36:47,140
from the Farm Bureau and I have two cards starting with Ryan Shore followed by

1991
02:36:47,140 --> 02:36:55,240
Joan Stonebreaker. Mr. Shore still here there he is. Hidden in the back. I know

1992
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:57,780
all of you but for those of you in the room that don't know me my name is

1993
02:36:57,780 --> 02:36:59,580
Ryan Shaw, a farmer here in Butte County.

1994
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:05,280
And so I thought it was important to come to talk about a few things with this Williamson

1995
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:05,460
Act.

1996
02:37:05,580 --> 02:37:11,120
And in particular, I was appreciative of Alyssa's comments on the no ability to predict really

1997
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:12,840
what the future will bring in terms of revenue.

1998
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:16,700
And I learned from Blake Bailey, prior to his retirement from the assessor's office

1999
02:37:16,700 --> 02:37:21,380
that there are different pots of money where the state reimburses these tax dollars

2000
02:37:21,380 --> 02:37:22,100
back to the county.

2001
02:37:22,200 --> 02:37:25,660
And the state cut different deals with different counties, right?

2002
02:37:25,660 --> 02:37:29,440
So, Glen County gets different per capita money back than what Butte County does.

2003
02:37:30,100 --> 02:37:32,960
I think it's important to remember in the context, different than Sutter, different

2004
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:37,760
than Yuba, even though we pay maybe the same rate, it comes back to the counties at a different

2005
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:38,060
level.

2006
02:37:38,220 --> 02:37:40,380
I think, again, that's important to remember in this conversation.

2007
02:37:40,600 --> 02:37:45,460
But I want to encourage the Board of Supervisors and to Tammy's comments, earlier, Supervisors'

2008
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:52,140
comments about Measure H and the sales tax, we as farmers are paying double

2009
02:37:52,140 --> 02:37:59,620
the sales tax now to the county right from nearly one cent to two cents a double the tax increase for the county so we buy a

2010
02:37:59,620 --> 02:38:03,660
Combine for example a sales tax portion for just the county

2011
02:38:04,360 --> 02:38:07,600
Went from ten thousand to twenty thousand dollars this year

2012
02:38:08,280 --> 02:38:14,460
Just on a combine we pay mill taxes for fertilizer of course all the then puts irrigation supplies and so forth and since

2013
02:38:14,460 --> 02:38:19,820
2015's high in bute County ag production in terms of real dollars inflation adjusted real dollars

2014
02:38:19,820 --> 02:38:26,400
Butte County has suffered a $433 million hit over the last nine years in the value,

2015
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:28,500
the farm gate value of their ag products.

2016
02:38:29,580 --> 02:38:34,320
Obviously, they have increasing regulatory burdens that drive up costs

2017
02:38:34,320 --> 02:38:36,920
and also drive up tax increases.

2018
02:38:38,440 --> 02:38:42,820
In the last couple of years, from 22 to 24, some Williams and Ike properties

2019
02:38:42,820 --> 02:38:46,720
in Butte County have seen a 50% increase in the property tax bills.

2020
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:53,100
And to go back to the example that was presented, when we look at the $5,000 bill on 500 acres

2021
02:38:53,100 --> 02:38:58,020
that assumes roughly, I think it's about a $1,000 assessment per acre, which is relatively

2022
02:38:58,020 --> 02:39:02,240
low when we think about our orchards or some of the other range of land that might have

2023
02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:06,300
traded hands and been reassessed since then, that's a pretty low number.

2024
02:39:06,400 --> 02:39:09,440
So there are properties that will face a really significant hit out there.

2025
02:39:09,720 --> 02:39:13,600
We look about Prop 13, it was passed a number of years ago before I was born

2026
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:20,620
even, but that's been whittled away over time. And so Prop 13 had some carve-outs a number

2027
02:39:20,620 --> 02:39:24,500
of years ago on the propositions, and I forget what number that was, excuse me, but they

2028
02:39:24,500 --> 02:39:30,240
made a carve-out for family farms. What really what that did is it eliminated a lot of family

2029
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:35,100
farms from those protections. So if your land is in a corporation or a trust or a

2030
02:39:35,100 --> 02:39:39,260
partnership or a joint venture, and now they'll see any number of other vehicles

2031
02:39:39,260 --> 02:39:44,780
bills for your farm business or asset protection or family estate planning and so forth, those

2032
02:39:44,780 --> 02:39:48,000
then became subject to further reassessments.

2033
02:39:48,060 --> 02:39:52,000
So we have a lot more land that's now subject to reassessments and increasing property values.

2034
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:56,860
So I think there's a couple of things that are really important to remember here.

2035
02:39:56,980 --> 02:40:02,280
But the big takeaway is that agriculture has paid a lot for the promises made to this

2036
02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:03,980
county to protect law enforcement.

2037
02:40:03,980 --> 02:40:08,760
We pay those same sales taxes, double, again, to the county.

2038
02:40:09,460 --> 02:40:14,040
And I don't think it's fair to rob Peter to pay Paul, really.

2039
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:17,140
In other words, we made that commitment to keep public safety.

2040
02:40:17,340 --> 02:40:18,120
We do our fair share.

2041
02:40:18,420 --> 02:40:23,780
This is Mr. Herring to talk about how we do public safety with our levees that benefit all of us.

2042
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:26,500
We think about flood protection, where we have open space.

2043
02:40:26,740 --> 02:40:28,680
That's part of the Waves Act to protect that with grazing lands.

2044
02:40:28,760 --> 02:40:31,560
So we have water infiltration into our soils and grazing lands

2045
02:40:31,560 --> 02:40:34,700
to reduce fuel loads and fire breaks from that urban-rural interface.

2046
02:40:35,500 --> 02:40:40,820
So I think we can't forget those benefits of Williamson Act land towards the county's

2047
02:40:40,820 --> 02:40:42,400
goals and ambitions, right?

2048
02:40:42,620 --> 02:40:47,320
And so I think it's a good idea to revisit this, especially in terms of economic impact

2049
02:40:47,320 --> 02:40:50,420
to farmers and their commitment to the county's safety.

2050
02:40:50,580 --> 02:40:54,040
So thank you for the time, and I appreciate you venturing down this path.

2051
02:40:54,540 --> 02:40:55,320
For your comments.

2052
02:40:56,940 --> 02:40:57,300
Thank you.

2053
02:40:57,560 --> 02:40:58,000
Next?

2054
02:40:58,380 --> 02:40:58,920
John Stonebreaker.

2055
02:40:59,000 --> 02:40:59,240
John Stonebreaker.

2056
02:40:59,800 --> 02:40:59,920
Yes.

2057
02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:00,740
Well,

2058
02:41:03,360 --> 02:41:03,620
John.

2059
02:41:03,820 --> 02:41:03,940
Hello.

2060
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:06,900
I just wanted to bring back in today's conversation some things that didn't get mentioned.

2061
02:41:07,080 --> 02:41:12,700
One is that the 10% direct charge is direct to the county, whereas the overall assessment

2062
02:41:12,700 --> 02:41:16,260
is approximately, for unincorporated island, approximately one-third of the county and

2063
02:41:16,260 --> 02:41:20,360
the majority of schools with some going to rec districts and other special agencies.

2064
02:41:21,980 --> 02:41:29,620
So that dollars that are being paid by the farmland owners are going directly

2065
02:41:29,620 --> 02:41:32,180
to the county and then we're giving that all of that away.

2066
02:41:33,180 --> 02:41:37,100
Additionally, when the assessor was talking about the rate that's set by the state,

2067
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:43,680
so if you're looking at the present value of an asset that's generating income over time,

2068
02:41:44,180 --> 02:41:51,200
so if you're generating 2% in the market and you're receiving $100,000 income from your ag land,

2069
02:41:51,560 --> 02:41:58,440
well, you'd say that's a $5 million net present value that's generating $100,000 a year,

2070
02:41:58,440 --> 02:42:03,200
whereas if rates go to 5% in 2026, which is plausible,

2071
02:42:03,860 --> 02:42:09,200
then it could be that you have a $2 million asset in the sense of this is generating only

2072
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:13,320
essentially the same $100,000, but if the money was elsewhere,

2073
02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:20,300
then there would be a different way to receive that same money, accrual.

2074
02:42:21,020 --> 02:42:27,040
So the assessor is right that as the federal government continues to

2075
02:42:29,180 --> 02:42:41,500
increase inflation and increase interest rates accordingly, that it is likely that the weight set by the state will decrease.

2076
02:42:41,660 --> 02:42:45,820
I just wanted to clarify that. So, again, we can't foresee exactly what that number will be.

2077
02:42:46,180 --> 02:42:56,240
But I anticipate that even without the abolishment of the AB 1265 charge, that the charges in the next tax cycle will not be what they were

2078
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:00,460
in this tax cycle, they will be closer to what they were in 2022.

2079
02:43:02,520 --> 02:43:06,440
Thank you, John. Any other public comment? Okay, we'll close the public comment.

2080
02:43:07,740 --> 02:43:12,920
Wishes of the Board to move this to a different time. What's the, what's the preference?

2081
02:43:16,140 --> 02:43:16,800
Stated one.

2082
02:43:17,200 --> 02:43:18,540
I know you said, you did good.

2083
02:43:20,120 --> 02:43:25,520
Well, I had calls from Calamans Association and they're not present today.

2084
02:43:26,340 --> 02:43:28,660
I would like to hear from them, too.

2085
02:43:29,460 --> 02:43:30,840
So what do you suggest?

2086
02:43:31,860 --> 02:43:33,500
Wouldn't it be a good time to move this, too?

2087
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:36,720
Well, there's a couple of options that I think have been mentioned.

2088
02:43:36,920 --> 02:43:42,980
One is for blending this into the budget process

2089
02:43:42,980 --> 02:43:44,880
and having that addressed at that time,

2090
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:46,720
what it would mean in that particular budget

2091
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:49,200
to have the $700,000 reduction.

2092
02:43:49,820 --> 02:43:51,200
That would be one option.

2093
02:43:51,260 --> 02:43:53,700
Another option is just literally to go a year out

2094
02:43:53,700 --> 02:43:57,760
and let the new tax cycle happen and see where we are at the time.

2095
02:43:58,420 --> 02:44:01,580
And we can address how it developed over that time.

2096
02:44:01,940 --> 02:44:05,620
Those are the couple of options that I've heard from the days.

2097
02:44:06,660 --> 02:44:07,340
I think too.

2098
02:44:08,380 --> 02:44:12,240
Well, A, the people that they should have a voice heard and not, you know,

2099
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:17,320
sometimes if it comes out on a Thursday, right, people have schedules and I get that.

2100
02:44:18,660 --> 02:44:22,200
But also, you know, if it is going to adjust, I want to know what that adjustment is going to look like.

2101
02:44:22,200 --> 02:44:27,060
We talked about what that what is that going to look like and I'm sure that the farmers want to know that as well

2102
02:44:27,060 --> 02:44:28,980
I mean, that's important right? It's their money

2103
02:44:29,880 --> 02:44:33,880
But again, also I want to urge that we do approaches at budget time. So

2104
02:44:34,920 --> 02:44:36,900
my recommendation would be to

2105
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:44,380
move this to I do want to see the numbers but move this to more appropriate time for like the budget so we can actually

2106
02:44:44,380 --> 02:44:46,800
See what it looks like with everything on paper

2107
02:44:47,300 --> 02:44:52,100
So I'll go that route if we move to that time that is moving it to a point where I

2108
02:44:52,100 --> 02:44:58,340
I think if we notify Calamants and they have that opportunity to come forward, Farm Bureau,

2109
02:44:58,460 --> 02:44:59,980
I know we got a letter from their...

2110
02:45:20,980 --> 02:45:26,920
Thank you for the discussion. Thank you for the public comments. We're going to move on

2111
02:45:26,920 --> 02:45:37,600
Item 4.8 now, Katie Simmons, Deputy Administrative Officer, and this is a resolution approving

2112
02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:44,900
an additional allocation of funding for the community development block grant disaster

2113
02:45:44,900 --> 02:45:45,820
recovery.

2114
02:45:46,420 --> 02:45:47,880
Multi-family housing projects.

2115
02:45:48,140 --> 02:45:48,600
A lot of words.

2116
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:49,160
Wow.

2117
02:45:49,380 --> 02:45:49,780
Yes.

2118
02:45:50,220 --> 02:45:53,400
Almost as much as the one on the my scene, but go ahead.

2119
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:58,600
Good morning Chair Kamoshu, members of the board, Katie Simmons, Deputy CAO, as you know

2120
02:45:58,600 --> 02:46:01,880
and as was mentioned this morning, county staff are implementing a number of projects

2121
02:46:01,880 --> 02:46:07,760
using Community Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery Funding as a result of the 2018 campfire.

2122
02:46:08,540 --> 02:46:14,040
On June 24th of this year, the board authorized staff to qualify two more projects for any

2123
02:46:14,040 --> 02:46:17,700
additional CDBGDR funds should they come available to the county.

2124
02:46:18,500 --> 02:46:22,380
One of those projects was the Humboldt Senior Housing Project which proposes

2125
02:46:22,380 --> 02:46:27,260
to construct 80 cottage-style single-family housing units for older adults in the city

2126
02:46:27,260 --> 02:46:27,700
of Chico.

2127
02:46:28,400 --> 02:46:32,400
Because of a prior commitment of funds from the county, the state was able to relatively

2128
02:46:32,400 --> 02:46:40,040
quickly re-qualify this project and allocate an additional 36,735,000 for construction.

2129
02:46:40,820 --> 02:46:44,600
To accept this additional allocation and move forward with the project, staff recommends

2130
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:50,020
the Board approve amending the master standard agreement for the multifamily housing

2131
02:46:50,020 --> 02:46:57,220
program from $118 million to not to exceed $155 million. This amendment will allow the

2132
02:46:57,220 --> 02:47:02,480
county to execute a development agreement with the Humboldt Senior Housing Project for construction.

2133
02:47:02,980 --> 02:47:07,100
I'm available for any questions you may have as well as members of the development team today.

2134
02:47:07,360 --> 02:47:07,680
Thank you.

2135
02:47:08,520 --> 02:47:10,680
Okay, any questions, comments from board members?

2136
02:47:10,980 --> 02:47:11,680
Good news.

2137
02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:15,900
What's the size of the units or average size of the unit?

2138
02:47:16,280 --> 02:47:19,440
I would have to invite members of the development team up to answer that question.

2139
02:47:25,810 --> 02:47:27,770
Thanks for sitting through this whole meeting.

2140
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:29,590
Oh, it was wonderful.

2141
02:47:29,750 --> 02:47:31,890
Actually, it was very enjoyable and very insightful.

2142
02:47:32,770 --> 02:47:34,710
I don't think you're telling the truth.

2143
02:47:34,710 --> 02:47:36,690
I don't think you're telling the truth.

2144
02:47:36,970 --> 02:47:38,810
I'm going to come back next time, too, actually.

2145
02:47:39,050 --> 02:47:40,230
I think I'm sitting on this.

2146
02:47:40,390 --> 02:47:42,790
I think I'm sitting on this.

2147
02:47:42,790 --> 02:47:44,510
Your notes is drawing right there, I mean.

2148
02:47:44,610 --> 02:47:45,410
So good morning, everyone.

2149
02:47:45,570 --> 02:47:46,350
I'm Cynthia Alvarez.

2150
02:47:46,650 --> 02:47:49,370
I'm the Chief Executive Officer

2151
02:47:49,370 --> 02:47:51,330
and President for Christian Church Homes

2152
02:47:51,330 --> 02:47:53,910
an affordable housing developer and operator.

2153
02:47:53,910 --> 02:48:01,490
We've been around for over 60 years and have been actually in the county with one property,

2154
02:48:01,590 --> 02:48:04,170
one community for almost 20 years now.

2155
02:48:04,530 --> 02:48:11,170
We just recently completed a community of 60 senior units in Reading just a couple months

2156
02:48:11,170 --> 02:48:11,470
ago.

2157
02:48:11,770 --> 02:48:13,670
So really exciting times for us.

2158
02:48:14,430 --> 02:48:20,110
And the size of all of the homes are going to be one-bedrooms, all for our seniors.

2159
02:48:20,110 --> 02:48:26,710
The average household income of the folks we house is around $17,400 a year.

2160
02:48:27,410 --> 02:48:32,930
The average rent of the folks that we house is, their portion is around, is slightly less

2161
02:48:32,930 --> 02:48:35,410
than $400 a month.

2162
02:48:36,030 --> 02:48:37,710
I was looking for the square footage.

2163
02:48:38,410 --> 02:48:40,270
It's just shy of six hundred square feet.

2164
02:48:41,710 --> 02:48:44,380
Other questions?

2165
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:46,340
Okay.

2166
02:48:46,340 --> 02:48:52,300
So I just, yes, please have the 37 million microphone and my friend, thank you.

2167
02:48:52,700 --> 02:48:55,460
I just want to bring up, I think it's great.

2168
02:48:56,440 --> 02:48:56,980
Thank you.

2169
02:48:57,080 --> 02:48:59,240
So now I'm going to say what I don't think is great.

2170
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:00,540
Yes, what they cost.

2171
02:49:00,920 --> 02:49:08,640
37 million divided by the 80 units and divided by the square foot, that's $770 a square foot.

2172
02:49:09,040 --> 02:49:09,760
That's a lot.

2173
02:49:10,120 --> 02:49:10,340
Yes.

2174
02:49:10,500 --> 02:49:14,880
So that's my disappointment even though I totally see the need for housing.

2175
02:49:16,300 --> 02:49:22,540
I think for the area, you know, somewhere in the Bay Area is probably above that, you

2176
02:49:22,540 --> 02:49:27,540
know, but as you move to Butte County, I mean, I don't think people in paradise are going

2177
02:49:27,540 --> 02:49:32,580
to be rebuilding or in the Parkfire footprint at 770 square foot.

2178
02:49:32,700 --> 02:49:35,720
So I just want to point out that's a crap load of money.

2179
02:49:37,040 --> 02:49:38,260
So it always is.

2180
02:49:39,280 --> 02:49:40,920
And I appreciate that.

2181
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:43,480
So we're bringing infrastructure into the area,

2182
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:45,080
into this particular location,

2183
02:49:45,360 --> 02:49:48,420
and we are building these 80 homes

2184
02:49:48,420 --> 02:49:51,880
over four acres as well.

2185
02:49:51,980 --> 02:49:52,980
We really wanted to make sure

2186
02:49:52,980 --> 02:49:54,660
that folks that didn't feel crowded in.

2187
02:49:55,660 --> 02:49:57,260
But I appreciate the feedback.

2188
02:49:58,300 --> 02:49:59,160
Okay, thank you.

2189
02:50:00,080 --> 02:50:01,740
All right, any other public comment?

2190
02:50:02,040 --> 02:50:03,060
Public comment on this.

2191
02:50:03,580 --> 02:50:05,240
None? Okay, we'll close the public comment.

2192
02:50:05,380 --> 02:50:05,980
Which is important?

2193
02:50:07,580 --> 02:50:09,120
Solution and authorized chair to sign.

2194
02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:09,920
Okay, so you're second.

2195
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:12,120
I'll second it.

2196
02:50:12,420 --> 02:50:13,320
All those in favor?

2197
02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:14,040
Aye.

2198
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:14,320
Aye.

2199
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:14,960
Post?

2200
02:50:15,940 --> 02:50:16,400
Okay.

2201
02:50:16,620 --> 02:50:16,960
Abstention.

2202
02:50:17,440 --> 02:50:17,680
Okay.

2203
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:19,480
All right.

2204
02:50:19,660 --> 02:50:20,020
Passes.

2205
02:50:20,100 --> 02:50:22,860
Thank you for being here, sitting through the whole meeting.

2206
02:50:23,300 --> 02:50:23,900
See you next time.

2207
02:50:23,920 --> 02:50:24,900
We're almost done.

2208
02:50:27,700 --> 02:50:34,420
Next is item 4.09, update on budget, legislative, and other current issues by the chief administrative

2209
02:50:34,420 --> 02:50:34,980
officer.

2210
02:50:36,160 --> 02:50:36,840
How about it?

2211
02:50:37,020 --> 02:50:37,400
Thank you.

2212
02:50:37,400 --> 02:50:44,820
We know that the federal government shutdown continues and that I think that we're all aware of the impact that's had on SNAP benefits.

2213
02:50:45,280 --> 02:50:54,620
So I've asked Director Rowe to come up and speak a little bit about this, particularly on the resources that may be available for those who are impacted.

2214
02:50:57,620 --> 02:51:01,600
Good morning Chair Kimmelchew, members of the board, your Director of Employment and

2215
02:51:01,600 --> 02:51:03,000
Social Services Tiffany Rowe.

2216
02:51:03,780 --> 02:51:11,920
As you may be aware, the CalFresh program through the state is on pause and hold for

2217
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:13,900
November due to the federal government shutdown.

2218
02:51:14,600 --> 02:51:20,480
What that means for us locally is over 42,000 Butte County residents will not receive

2219
02:51:20,480 --> 02:51:21,680
their November benefits.

2220
02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:30,320
That equates to approximately over $8 million that is not coming into our community beginning

2221
02:51:30,320 --> 02:51:32,160
on November 1st.

2222
02:51:32,480 --> 02:51:35,620
So a couple of things that we're working on internally.

2223
02:51:35,960 --> 02:51:41,420
Our department is hosting a food drive to support and our local food banks.

2224
02:51:41,700 --> 02:51:46,360
We're encouraging the community and any of our partners to work collaboratively as

2225
02:51:46,360 --> 02:51:50,460
they can with the Community Action Agency and the North State Food Bank.

2226
02:51:51,580 --> 02:51:55,200
We're alerting the public to the Center for Healthy Communities.

2227
02:51:55,820 --> 02:51:59,240
They distribute a weekly food assistance flyer that is available.

2228
02:52:00,060 --> 02:52:07,020
There are currently daily food delivery options available within the community in all facets

2229
02:52:07,020 --> 02:52:12,080
of Butte County, so City of Chico, City of Oroville, Gridley, Paradise.

2230
02:52:12,940 --> 02:52:17,960
We are being made aware that there will be additional food resource time and distribution

2231
02:52:17,960 --> 02:52:20,140
accordingly in the month of November.

2232
02:52:20,420 --> 02:52:24,260
I don't have those dates and locations as of yet, but we're encouraging the public

2233
02:52:24,260 --> 02:52:27,280
and the community to really look toward the North State Food Bank.

2234
02:52:27,880 --> 02:52:29,160
They are a local resource.

2235
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:35,860
As you can imagine, 42,000 individuals and $8 million, our local food bank likely will

2236
02:52:35,860 --> 02:52:38,300
not be able to absorb that unmet need.

2237
02:52:39,860 --> 02:52:42,700
And so this will take place November 1.

2238
02:52:43,240 --> 02:52:43,680
That's correct.

2239
02:52:43,840 --> 02:52:47,800
Our only hope at this point in time is that they reach an agreement for November 1.

2240
02:52:48,400 --> 02:52:49,280
That is correct.

2241
02:52:49,460 --> 02:52:49,740
Okay.

2242
02:52:49,940 --> 02:52:50,360
Thank you.

2243
02:52:50,580 --> 02:52:57,900
And then secondly, obviously people should be encouraged to donate toward their local food bank.

2244
02:52:58,360 --> 02:52:58,660
Yes.

2245
02:52:58,840 --> 02:53:03,140
As they see fit, we're really well versed in this community of taking care of each other,

2246
02:53:03,300 --> 02:53:04,700
especially during times of disasters.

2247
02:53:05,560 --> 02:53:07,860
This is and will be a time of disaster.

2248
02:53:07,860 --> 02:53:08,360
It will.

2249
02:53:08,600 --> 02:53:09,180
Yes, it will.

2250
02:53:09,660 --> 02:53:10,100
Unfortunately.

2251
02:53:11,120 --> 02:53:11,600
Yes.

2252
02:53:11,800 --> 02:53:12,060
Thank you.

2253
02:53:12,400 --> 02:53:13,580
Thank you for that news.

2254
02:53:14,200 --> 02:53:18,640
On the state level, the legislature is scheduled to reconvene on January 5th, so we don't have

2255
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:20,080
any legislative updates right now.

2256
02:53:20,580 --> 02:53:21,060
Great.

2257
02:53:21,280 --> 02:53:21,480
They're out.

2258
02:53:21,800 --> 02:53:23,060
I like it when they're out.

2259
02:53:23,260 --> 02:53:23,940
Nothing happens.

2260
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:31,140
On the state's budget front, the current year receipts are a little bit higher than

2261
02:53:31,140 --> 02:53:34,320
would be anticipated, about 12 percent higher than projected.

2262
02:53:34,320 --> 02:53:38,100
I don't know how much we can draw from that because it's still very, very early,

2263
02:53:38,180 --> 02:53:40,740
but it's a nice line to start the trend.

2264
02:53:41,280 --> 02:53:42,740
And that concludes my report.

2265
02:53:43,580 --> 02:53:44,380
All right.

2266
02:53:45,680 --> 02:53:48,180
With that, is there any public comment on that report?

2267
02:53:49,720 --> 02:53:51,800
If you see none, we'll close public comment.

2268
02:53:52,820 --> 02:53:58,360
Any further board or any further comments, public comments from anyone?

2269
02:53:59,620 --> 02:53:59,960
Okay.

2270
02:54:00,120 --> 02:54:01,540
We'll close public comment on that.

2271
02:54:01,540 --> 02:54:08,940
And we will turn it over to our County Council, Brad Stevens, to read us into closed session.

2272
02:54:11,740 --> 02:54:19,900
Item 6.1, Public Employee Employment, Appointment, Recruitment, Performance Evaluations, including goals pursuant to Government Code section 54957.

2273
02:54:20,480 --> 02:54:21,780
All department heads listed.

2274
02:54:22,400 --> 02:54:33,140
6.2, Workers' Compensation Liability Claims pursuant to Government Code section 54956.951, claim involving Mitchell Graves.

2275
02:54:33,140 --> 02:54:35,380
and we do not expect any announcements at a closed session.

2276
02:54:35,600 --> 02:54:37,680
Thank you. All right, this meeting is adjourned.

2277
02:54:44,110 --> 02:54:44,950
You're not allowed.