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All right, we are going to go ahead and

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get this meeting started. Um, this is a

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workshop meeting for the county council.

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It was a a way for us to have a

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discussion about the fire board just

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amongst ourselves so that we can make

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sure that everyone's up to speed and

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what the fire district is doing. And um

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I was going to maybe turn let you and

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Dave kind of give an overview of where

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we're at with the fire district and um

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some of the legalities about their

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taxing and some of those things that we

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had questions about.

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>> Excellent.

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>> That's a big binder. I hope you don't

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start reading from page one.

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>> Yes. That's wraps.

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>> Okay, Dave, do you want

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jump in where where any uh where I leave

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any holes.

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>> so a year and a half ago, two a year and

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a half ago about was that two years ago?

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>> Got a couple years. We started as a

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three member um fire board and

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>> It's been going for a long time since

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district established in 1966. Um and

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it's everything outside of Logan. So

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>> They said they didn't want to be

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involved at the very beginning when it

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>> right? And so um but as we know with our

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budget um we still pay for the county

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fire department and is resulted in that

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double taxation for the Logan city um

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residents. So um we've been in the

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process of trying to find the right um

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structure for fire board and for the

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right services for the fire district for

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those that are outside the city of

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Logan. And the the reason that the

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double taxation occurred is that it was

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all being utilized and monies were

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coming out of general fund

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then could have had boundaries and only

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tax certain areas. And so it's where the

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money was coming from was creating the

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double taxation because it was a tax to

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everybody.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. And

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in last year the we created a bylaws

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which expanded our board and to include

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so it had one member of the county

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council from the south, one member of

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the county council from the north, the

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county executive and then two mayors

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from the north and two mayors from the

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south. and we started meeting to try to

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um define what the fire district would

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and it now consists of uh Mayor Lindseay

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Peterson from North Logan and Mayor Erin

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with Dave. And then in the south we have

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myself and then the executive at large

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applications from the south and three

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applications from the north of which two

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were selected and one was not

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though as as we I know that those um the board members come to us for advice

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and consent. When the new mayoral

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elections happened, did we ever do that

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for the new mayor of Smithfield and the

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new mayor of Hyum or did they just

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automatically move on to the board? Is

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that a procedural thing?

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advertised the positions again and we

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accepted applications and they were the

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cities that applied again.

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council? Those two mayors,

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the came back to the council.

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trying to define what the service will

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look like as a fire district. Um, and and we're still trying to define

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what the fire board looks like. And that

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goes into I think that leads into the

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service as well. Um we have in the south

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end of the valley and this is where

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Chief George can probably help us and

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talk about um where we have services as

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far as the county has services and what

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services are provided if you don't mind.

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the boundaries kind of tuck down along

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and then run out to um SR30 that runs

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out but like college ward is part of

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Logan's district. Uh we also provide uh

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code enforcement or fire prevention

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support um through either interlocal

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agreements with Wellsville, Nibi, a

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little bit in Millville as well,

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south end. Um and then obviously we

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provide countywide um training services

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countywide hazmat and uh technical

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rescue programs that are out there. Uh

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burn permits and so we have a website we

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host that for anybody in the county that

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does burn permits on their own. Cities

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can also go through the state on that.

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the coordination that we have or how are

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services provided in the north?

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smaller municipalities to cover the

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unincorporated area. We essentially uh

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match per capita what their budgets are

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citizen well I hate to say it that way

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there. Uh and Smithfield provides the uh

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>> Excellent. Okay. Thank you very much.

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um now get us copies of all the I think

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Janine if she could print out like I

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document from from executive.

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three months ago, um the executive came

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there's been a uh friction between all

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of the different departments that we

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of what where they've already built up

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departments of of losing autonomy and

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also um their where they've um invested

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for their cap for their infra their uh

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where they've invested in their

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infrastructure and um in their

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departments of of joining the district

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fully and the in order to leave the

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district. It's very complicated. You

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have to do um a feasibility study over

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the course of 18 months.

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get gather so many signatures like

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however many signatures from your from

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your city in order for them to leave and

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then um take it to in order to get it on

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the ballot. And then once they gather

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that many signatures and put it on the

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ballot, then it has to pass within their

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city to be able to leave the special

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service district if I understand. Is

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that is that correct? Okay. And so there

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um they're there's been some concern

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about losing some of their autonomy and

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losing um and feeling that they have

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invested so much in their own

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departments and in kind of giving that

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up to the district. There was there was

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early also early on the vision of the

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fire board was to transition

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to an all elected

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board elected specifically by the people

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>> they matter of fact the board passed the

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fire district board all passed the their

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uh resolution resolution ordinance.

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>> interlocal agreement to do that. It came

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to us as a council and then we passed

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that but that was the process that we

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were going to go to to become an alled

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district board. Right, Eric?

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way that the district bylaws are set up

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right now, it's a two it's a double vote

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to pass bylaw changes. So the first time

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through basically sets the standard. Um

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that was necessary, five out of the

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seven votes. It came to the council for

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basically ratification because you are

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you guys passed it by resolution.

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>> The council passed it when it went back

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to the fire board for ratification on

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their side. That's where it stalled. Um

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>> Because the the resolution said it had

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they had four years to move to an

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elected board and then we passed that.

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>> Stalled out. Where is it now, Eric?

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bring up a new resolution, which I think

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that is currently in play to do a new

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bylaw amendment. Um, if they went if

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they decided to change course and still

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do elected board and they still changed

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it, which they we know they need to

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because they're conf they're changing.

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Sorry, let me they're they're they're

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telling you how who to appoint, which

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they can't, which was our bad when we

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made those bylaws. Um, but

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if if they did go to an elected board

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again, it would have to come to you for

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approval under state code. But

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>> so so we don't have to do anything to

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move away from having an elected board.

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That's where like as it currently

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stands, that is not um that was not done

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completely. Y

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>> So we don't have to do Okay.

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>> Yeah. Because it takes two steps. It

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took you guys and them and it went to

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you guys and it went to them and then

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they didn't do it.

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>> They didn't they didn't do it again. So

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>> they just it seems like they're going in

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a different direction. So right now it's

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not the that's not the code that they

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have to move to.

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>> And right now it everything right now is

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with the fire district

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>> and the direction that they want to now

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go

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>> in the hands of the fire board.

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>> Yes.

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>> Yeah. The fire district board of

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trustees. Yeah.

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>> Fire protection district board I think

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is what they're forwarded to. I guess

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>> fire

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county fire district board of trust

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trustees. Yeah.

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>> So

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>> yes.

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So now we're trying to establish

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um

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the the composition of the board of

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trustees and and we have an amendment to

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the current bylaws that are in place of

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how that uh the composition of that

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board will be and we had discussion

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about that today with an amendment that

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was proposed um by the executive um for

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uh representation in the county uh and

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his amendment includes

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to representation from an additional

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larger city in the north. But a

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recommendation because it's not it

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ultimately the county council is still

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the approval the approving um appointing

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authority.

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>> The pointing authority thank you but the

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recommendation to include the cities

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that are currently in it of in the north

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of North Logan Smithfield and then

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include Hyde Park and small city that

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they would decide or the board would

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decide.

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>> No, the small cities would get together.

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>> The small cities, which would be the

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remaining cities in the north, would

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choose one of their mayors to be on that

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board. And the same thing in the south.

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>> Well, and it would have to be they would

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choose someone to apply and then you as

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the appointing board would have to

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appoint them. You guys have that

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authority to appoint who?

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>> Yeah. So that so it would come to the to

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the board of trustees and we would vet

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that and and then bring it to the county

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council who would then ultimately

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appoint be the appointing authority.

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>> So they want to make that board 11

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people now.

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>> So then the the the amendment has that's

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the amendment that has been presented by

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the executive um for the governance of

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the board. As far as services, that's

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where we're still trying to understand

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where the

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um the proper balance is to keep we

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don't want any of the cities to leave

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the district. Even though it's is very

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ownorous process to leave, we don't we

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want to keep as cohesive as we can. Um

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and that's where um the executive has

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come up with the option of of having a a

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countywide um levy. a countywide. Every

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time I say countywide, it's everything

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excluding Logan, right? I'm just gonna

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say that disclaimer. Everything

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excluding fire districtwide

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levy. There you go. um that uh would be

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collected by the fire district and then

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distributed to the diff either the

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different municipalities to um pro be

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able to provide services either within

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their own departments or contract

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through the county or contract um with

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neighboring departments that have the

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capacity to serve them. Um I think

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George has do you have copies of that

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for the council of your voucher of your

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voucher? I kind of prepared this memo

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that kind of sets out the timeline and

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the steps, but Katherine's doing a good

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job of explaining it.

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>> Yeah. I just thought when we get to the

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voucher program that that you

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>> Here we go.

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>> Yeah. Georgia termed this the voucher

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program because each city would receive

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those funds that were collected by the

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fire district to be able to kind of have

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their autonomy in in deciding how to use

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those

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>> and the board would determine the

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allocation

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>> and the board would determine the levy

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>> both the both the levy and how it's

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distributed.

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>> Yes. So so what we've been talking about

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too is

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>> George

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>> Yeah. and and I'll George, I'll let you

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talk about this in detail, but but kind

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of what what we looked at was we want to

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preserve the fire district because for a

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lot of reasons to have a countywide fire

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service. And so the the the point is

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this is going to be a way to pay the

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cities how much they need to provide

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their fire out of that levy, but we want

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to make sure there's a certain amount of

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the general fund that we still keep a

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fire department in the county. And

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that's

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>> I I don't think that's completely right.

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I think the the retainage would be kept

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by the fire district for a for a

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countywide fire district.

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I I said it would come out of our

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>> even the county would pay to the fire

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district for services that they could

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potentially uh

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>> well

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>> provide. Let me explain that.

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>> Let me go step by step. Maybe I should

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just walk through this memo because I

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think it'll clarify everything.

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>> Okay,

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>> so this is kind of the steps and the

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timeline. Please stop me. I I have to

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tell you that it seems like

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misunderstandings occur as rapidly as

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explanations are given and and frankly

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there's been a lot of input into this. I

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started off with some rough ideas and

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they've been changed and adapted as

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we've gone along and I appreciate the

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reference to me as being the source of

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all of this information. And what I am

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doing is aggregating the wishes of a lot

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of different people. I'm trying to

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respond to that. The the first step is a

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separation of the county fire EMF to a

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separate funer levy reference to the

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fire protection district. This action

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set for decision before the Cash County

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Council tonight. This change will

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recognize that Logan City residents do

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not receive significant services from

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county fire EMS.

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utilizing a separate levy implements the

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necessary tax reallocation. All this is reallocating. It's not budgeting more

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or less money. It's simply reallocating

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it. So when you pass that levy, our fire

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budget will only be collected from

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parties outside of Logan City.

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So the what you appropriated for your

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fire department remains appropriated. It

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just there's a a smaller denominator.

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The Logan City taxpayers would not be

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included in the levy for the new fire

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protection district. The loss of Logan's

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taxable value will require the

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reortionment of the current Cash County

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Fire EMS budget to the remaining taxable

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value in the fire protection district.

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The reaportionment will amount to an

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approximate 50% increase in the portion

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of the property tax associated with

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support for the current Cash County Fire

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EMF budget for properties outside of

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Logan City. The reason that's 50% is

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Logan's taxable value is about onethird

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of the county. So when you take that out

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the remaining 2/3 goes up about 50%. The

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change is revenue neutral to the county

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but the reortionment will change the

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revenue sources. Everybody follow what I'm saying there.

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A typical primary home in Cash County

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with an appraised value 600,000 has a

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taxable value of 330.

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Current county fire EMS cost is

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approximately $7443.

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That's a portion of our county taxes

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that goes to support our fire efforts.

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At this point, all county taxpayers are

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assessed as cost. As a result of the

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reaportionment

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associated with removing Logan's taxable

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value, there would be an increase of

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approximately $39.75

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on homes of primary homes that are

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outside Logan

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to 114. It was $74. Now it's 114.

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County residents in Logan would cease to

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pay any assessment a savings of $7443

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on a typical primary home. The

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assessment goes from 0.00226

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to 000349.

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This change would be reflected in Logan

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City resident paying less property taxes

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to Cash County.

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The reallocation would first appear with

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the 2026 taxable that are payable this

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November because it's revenue neutral

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and we're simply moving it to another

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budget line. We can do that if we pass

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this tonight.

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Cash County appoints the members of the

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fire protection board. Fire protection

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district board is currently composed of

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the mayors of Hyrams, Midfield, North

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Logan, and Nibi. two county council

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persons in the county executive in an

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effort to provide complete

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representation all county residents. A

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new set of bylaws is proposed to the

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current board would be added the

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recommendation that the county appoint

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the mayors of Providence and Hyde Park

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and that two additional mayors be added.

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One mayor from the north recommended by

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the mayors of Richmond, Lewis and Newton

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Park and the Ma Trenton and Cornish. one

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mayor from the south recommended by the

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mayors of Wellfield, Milville,

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Riverhike, Men, and Paradise. The board

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would increase from seven members to 11

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members with the addition of these four

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additional mayors. Terms would match

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time of service in the office of mayor.

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Uninccorporated residents would be

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represented by the north and south

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council person. Thus, all residents

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outside of Logan are represented on the

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fire protection district board. Now,

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that's up to the board to decide whether

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they want to do that or not.

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My understanding is that we we did

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present that for discussion today. Fire

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board had to come back and with a super

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majority put it on the table for passage

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and then they have to come back to a

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second meeting and pass it. So, it's not

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like it was done today. It was just

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simply put on the table. We have a

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meeting a week from tomorrow where they

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could buy a super majority put it up for

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vote and then they would have another

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meeting passing it

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>> and then those would come to us for

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advice and consent those names.

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>> The bylaw change may but is not required

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to be approved by the Cash County

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Council. That's my legal advice from I'm

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getting from Eric and Mr. Anderson is

548
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,720
that we've given enough authority to the

549
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,880
fire board that they can make that

550
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,280
decision. But I think it would be

551
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,080
helpful if we want to speak on that to

552
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,029
give them our advice.

553
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:59,679
» So

554
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:02,400
now I'm down to number seven. The owners

555
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,720
of the unincorporated property are not

556
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,080
contributing an equal share to fire EMS

557
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,280
service. County residents living in

558
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,000
cities pay the same fund to the county,

559
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,400
but they also contribute to the cost of

560
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,039
fire EMS service through a municipal tax

561
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:20,559
levies.

562
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:22,720
So, for example, someone living in North

563
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,240
Logan

564
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600
pays us for fire and EMS coverage and

565
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,480
then they're also taxed by North Logan

566
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,480
for for that. A person who lives in the

567
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,000
unincorporated county only is taxed by

568
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,360
us. So, we talk about it being unequal

569
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,159
with Logan. It's also unequal out in the

570
00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:47,280
county between cities and unincorporated

571
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,280
county.

572
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,360
It is proposed that Cash County

573
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,840
equalizes differential between county

574
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,559
taxpayers living in cities and in the

575
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,520
unincorporated area by levying a

576
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,679
municipal services levy on the

577
00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:04,799
unincorporated property. It is proposed

578
00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:09,200
that the total levy be 00800

579
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,039
which is approximately the total

580
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,840
assessment paid for properties in the

581
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,640
county which are located in cities. In

582
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,520
implementing the municipal services

583
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,240
levy, the unincorporated properties

584
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,799
would receive a credit for the fire

585
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:27,919
protection levy against that amount. So

586
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,159
whatever

587
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:33,840
the fire protection levy is right now,

588
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,120
we think it's going to be 346 mills.

589
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,520
They'd receive a credit against the 800

590
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,960
mil for what they're already paying.

591
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,679
So we would in this case I would propose

592
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:48,640
that we put a levy on the unincorporated

593
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,390
money equivalent to 0.00

594
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,840
» 4 54.

595
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,880
>> Gotcha. So, George, will you um just

596
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,799
answer like I'm having questions about

597
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,679
the logistics of that when we when we

598
00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:10,720
make the the um process that we're going

599
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,720
to do tonight to take Logan out, that

600
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,200
won't change our 2026 revenue at all.

601
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,679
>> No.

602
00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:18,320
>> Like, but this levy this this would have

603
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,480
to be something that the council sets up

604
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,159
a um a municipal services levy and it

605
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,559
couldn't be done until 2027. Correct.

606
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:27,679
>> I believe that's correct.

607
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:30,080
>> Okay. I just the process of that is what

608
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,039
I'm looking at.

609
00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:32,799
>> Matt is the one that researched the

610
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,120
municipal services levy and that that's

611
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,880
what I understand.

612
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,240
>> Okay. And what's that process?

613
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,000
>> It would need to go through a truth in

614
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,760
taxation. We would have to go through

615
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,120
all those uh hurdles and uh

616
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,320
>> separately.

617
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:46,720
>> Sorry,

618
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,159
>> it would be a separate truth and

619
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:51,600
taxation process. Well, if you would do

620
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,840
it, I suspect if you were to make any

621
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,000
other changes to the general fund taxes

622
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,640
that require a TNT, uh, I believe you'd

623
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,840
do it at the same time. So, a a TNT to

624
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,039
cover both of those,

625
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,720
>> but we couldn't do that until

626
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,720
>> See, it's 2027, right?

627
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,520
>> Exactly. It's 2027. Nothing that you do

628
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,640
on that municipal service uh levy could

629
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,880
happen until November, December, and it

630
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,480
would be effective. First time we'd

631
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,159
collect money for it would be in

632
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,960
November 2027.

633
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,880
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure I was

634
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,480
understanding that process.

635
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,120
>> Now, as we So, I'm calling one a

636
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,720
reallocation.

637
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440
This is equalization.

638
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,159
A as a result of this equalization, the

639
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,159
typical home in the unincorporated

640
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:38,880
county would see two increases. First,

641
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,360
the reallocation which they're going to

642
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:45,200
receive this year of $39.75.

643
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,919
Second, for the equalization with

644
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:50,880
municipal taxpayers, which would be

645
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520
$14,983,

646
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,520
the total increase would be $18,957

647
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840
for the typical primary home appraised

648
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,430
at 600,000.

649
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,520
» So, the unincorporated county

650
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,640
>> be more for you.

651
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,840
>> Cut to the chase. I've caught on to that

652
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840
>> and no better service. Yeah, I've caught

653
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,480
on to that. So, there's two parts to my

654
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,000
question

655
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000
and I had a quote, but I won't say it

656
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200
now. So, I'm in public. But anyhow, the

657
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,039
unincorporated is going to be at 800

658
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,400
mil,

659
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,120
>> right?

660
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,240
>> Yeah.

661
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,240
>> Do we know the differences of the

662
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,919
municipalities who are going to be in

663
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:33,360
this fire district of how their

664
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:35,440
municipal levy is as far as their tax

665
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,520
rate so that we understand what those

666
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,760
municipal cities are seeing? We've

667
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,400
collected the information from all the

668
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,679
cities and it does vary significantly

669
00:27:45,679 --> 00:27:49,919
but for example the municipal levy in

670
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:53,200
North Logan and Providence is in the

671
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,080
range of 600 mills.

672
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:02,149
The levy in Smithfield is

673
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:04,720
» you know it's on this chart. Am I trying

674
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,640
to remember it?

675
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440
>> Um

676
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760
If if you look at the top line, it says

677
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,279
current fire EMF budget city general

678
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,760
fund. So if you go across there, you can

679
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
see how much is is each generated in

680
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,399
each city is allocated. And let me just

681
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:25,120
say it's it's a little murky, Nolan,

682
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:25,679
because

683
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,120
>> holy crap.

684
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,960
>> U Menon, for example, collects an EMS

685
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,720
fee with the water bill.

686
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,440
Some of these cities when you look at

687
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,000
their budget they put what they're

688
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480
spending but they also have contracts

689
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,120
with other cities. So you're constantly

690
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,039
trying to drain out what the

691
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,840
differential is for all of them. The

692
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,480
other thing that's also happening is

693
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,279
some of the cities have large areas of

694
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:56,799
unincorporated

695
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,679
that are coming into their fire budgets

696
00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:03,520
too. For example, Mendon served Mendon

697
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,880
City, but it also serves a large area of

698
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,320
the county. And the area outside Menden

699
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,840
actually has more taxable value than the

700
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,960
um than the city does. So, it it's a

701
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,480
little murky, but it it seemed to coales

702
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,480
around 800 mills.

703
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
>> Okay. Second part, and I I think this is

704
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,279
a hard question to answer, but it's been

705
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,760
asked to me before.

706
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,960
This change, is this going to propel

707
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,440
changes from a home insurance type of

708
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,640
thing for fire coverage that a resident

709
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,200
will face? Because, for instance, when I

710
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
build my house, I had to disclose where

711
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,840
my fire department is and what's going

712
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,919
on. And you do the same in Bear Lake.

713
00:29:49,919 --> 00:29:51,200
So, I'm wondering, have we looked at

714
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,360
that or thought about that impact?

715
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,520
>> And frankly, He's pretty

716
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,600
>> changing funding,

717
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,760
>> but I don't I don't think there's going

718
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,240
to be actually much different service on

719
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,919
the ground.

720
00:30:03,919 --> 00:30:05,279
>> Yes, you're basically asking about the

721
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,279
ISO rating for the cities or

722
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,720
unincorporated area.

723
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,880
>> It would take a quite a bit longer

724
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,960
period of time, but if the cities were

725
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,200
able to reinvest that into

726
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,720
infrastructure, whether it's water

727
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360
supply or services that they provide,

728
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,279
there's a potential that that can

729
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,919
happen. Um, but it's more than just what

730
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:25,760
fire service is available right now that

731
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000
goes into that rating specifically.

732
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000
>> So, it depends is the answer.

733
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,360
>> But it could be better.

734
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,799
>> Well, what we're hoping

735
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,640
>> we probably shouldn't pitch it as you

736
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,200
get the same service for more money.

737
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,080
>> The the reallocation doesn't bring any

738
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,679
more money into it. The equalization

739
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:46,880
does. This equalization would actually

740
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,399
add

741
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,880
about a million3

742
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,000
to the money that's devoted to fire in

743
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,679
the county.

744
00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,679
So, as you've met with the mayors and

745
00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,360
stuff like that, and I've talked to some

746
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,880
and some citizens, um,

747
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,000
are we going to be able to say to the

748
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600
citizens, and and this is where I'm

749
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,880
looking because I'm representing the

750
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,000
uninccorporated part of the county, is

751
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,159
there's still something coming from the

752
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:16,399
county in fire protection, such as

753
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,480
training, such as help, such as those

754
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,960
other things that I don't want to see be

755
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480
given up because I really lean to the

756
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,120
decide that the fire board has some kind

757
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,039
of an election point to it rather than

758
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,399
appointment. And I don't know what how

759
00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:32,159
the others differ on that, but I just

760
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:34,000
wonder if that's been discussed.

761
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,440
>> Let me let me get to that question. And

762
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,950
>> I think I'm

763
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:43,679
down to number

764
00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:46,080
>> down to to almost an answer to that

765
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,000
question.

766
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,080
>> I just jump around in this.

767
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,519
>> I just get more questions because you're

768
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,519
going to charge me more. So,

769
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,440
>> okay.

770
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,320
Nine, it proposed that the board execute

771
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,279
its responsibility to part to do this by

772
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,279
entering into interlocal agreement. So

773
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,200
there's going to be a an interlocal

774
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,279
agreement between the fire district and

775
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,480
every single city. So that essentially

776
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,159
the money is going to go out to the

777
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:13,919
city, but the city's going to sign an

778
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:15,679
interlocal agreement that says this

779
00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:17,200
money is going to be used for fire and

780
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,679
EMS. Doesn't have to be spent

781
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,080
immediately, but it can't get into a

782
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,399
different allocation. can't move the

783
00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:26,159
money for their water department or

784
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:29,840
their parks. It has to stay in fire EMS.

785
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,720
That's um

786
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,919
a paragraph A B. Um

787
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:40,080
the county would go into the

788
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,000
unincorporated areas Nolan and

789
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,519
essentially decide what services

790
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,559
we would contract with the cities. So

791
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,320
for example, Mendon is is has this large

792
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,640
uninccorporated area around it. The

793
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,120
interlocal agreement between the fire

794
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,159
protection board, the fire protection

795
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:05,760
district and mend would address the

796
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,320
services that are both re received by

797
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,679
the unincorporated area of the county

798
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,799
that that's there.

799
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,799
So we're going to be collecting more

800
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,320
money from them. uh Nolan and our intent

801
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,039
is to make sure those those

802
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:27,120
uninccorporated areas of the county get

803
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,600
their share of services for that money

804
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,600
that we're collecting.

805
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,320
So, we're already doing some of that

806
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600
just because we put pumper trucks and

807
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,679
tankers out in these rural fire

808
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:42,480
departments so that they can handle

809
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,279
fires that don't have fire hydrants

810
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,919
adjacent. So we're going to be wanting

811
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:49,519
to do that and that it's going to be

812
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,399
part of those interlocal agreement both

813
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,600
smaller and rural cities.

814
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,679
Now

815
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:00,640
um

816
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,880
C is is really the answer to the

817
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,519
question that you asked me that is the

818
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,679
funds collected by the fire protection

819
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,839
district would be distributed to the

820
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:13,359
cities based upon their taxable base

821
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:16,240
subject to a retention percentage as

822
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,480
determined from time to time by the fire

823
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,800
protection board. So we're not going to

824
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,919
distribute all the money

825
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,839
that

826
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:28,079
This retention amount would be retained

827
00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,240
by the fire district to cover its costs

828
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:31,839
associated with the provision of

829
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,240
countywide services such as

830
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,879
administration, burn permits, wildland

831
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:40,560
fire protection, county training, etc.

832
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,040
The transition amount for the first year

833
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,079
transition time would be set at 10% but

834
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,919
thereafter would be set by the fire

835
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:50,960
protection board. So essentially we we'd

836
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,760
retain some of that money for countywide

837
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,079
fire services.

838
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:00,400
>> So how many and here's another question

839
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,160
and chief you may have to answer this

840
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,760
for me. Um wildland wildland fire

841
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,079
protection right now we have some in the

842
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,480
county who are full-time for doing that

843
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,560
in this. I'm not sure where that

844
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,040
full-time people meet because we're

845
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,920
talking administration and that and so

846
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,400
how do we

847
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,160
are we contracting with Wellsville to

848
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,359
say you're going to go help us fight a

849
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:24,480
wireland protection.

850
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,560
>> It's kind of all over the law as to how

851
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,280
we handle that and and details still be

852
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,640
worked out in those interlocal

853
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,839
agreements. But the point is is is

854
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,560
this is going to retain three to

855
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,720
$400,000 of money that's going to remain

856
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,880
with the with the fire district to to

857
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,079
represent the countywide. And now let me

858
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,560
mention this about Logan. Logan,

859
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,240
we're we're taking them out of the

860
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,640
assessment pattern

861
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,800
tonight. So they're not contributing

862
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,560
anything. I've had this discussion with

863
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,560
Logan that they still should be

864
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,680
contributing something to the countywide

865
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,359
effort

866
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:11,040
and they have agreed to that. We talked

867
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,040
about 10% of the savings to Logan City.

868
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,240
is saving taxpayers are

869
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,359
saving about a,360,000

870
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:25,119
by no longer being taxed by the county.

871
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:28,160
If I take 10% of that, that's roughly

872
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,880
equal to what the unincorporated and the

873
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,119
other cities are paying. So that's the amount we fixated on as a

874
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,480
retention amount. Can't really get money

875
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,359
out of Logan because there's no money

876
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:45,359
that's going to pass through our hands

877
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,400
that we can do a retainage on. So Logan

878
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,720
has agreed in lie of that that they'll

879
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,359
pick up responsibilities that are

880
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,359
equivalent to that that otherwise would

881
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,760
fall on the county. And the

882
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,000
responsibilities we talked about are

883
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,640
providing fire and EMS service to

884
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Collie's Young Ward, Logan Canyon, and

885
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:08,640
some of the forest areas which we now

886
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,480
pay Logan to do. We pay him roughly

887
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,240
$100,000 a year to do those services for

888
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,359
us. So they would pick that up as their

889
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:24,160
share of this countywide effort.

890
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,000
>> C can I ask a question, George, about

891
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,760
the um the structure of the

892
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,560
I I see the count the fire board and

893
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,320
they are going to be the ones who retain

894
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,440
that 10% to provide services to the

895
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,000
whole county or will the will the county

896
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,160
just keep that and have our own payroll,

897
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,240
our own department that we are providing

898
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,960
for everyone? I I think it's it's going

899
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,000
to be duplicative to do that because I

900
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,800
think our fire district

901
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,599
is is going to be one administration

902
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:57,280
system.

903
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680
I think it's likely,

904
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,280
not for sure, but likely that the fire

905
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,800
department that we now have will become

906
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,320
the administrative head of the fire

907
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,119
district that retains and that they will

908
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,079
continue to provide fire and EMS service

909
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,960
on a contractual basis to a number of

910
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,560
cities principally in the south county.

911
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,560
>> Okay. So the I'm just thinking about

912
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,400
where the payroll comes from. Yeah,

913
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,240
that's that's what I'm thinking.

914
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:28,880
>> Yeah,

915
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680
>> because I mean we we could try and

916
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,079
retain it as a county, but then we'd

917
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:35,599
have

918
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,720
two two things and I I think we'd be

919
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,520
more efficient if we said that's the

920
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,240
fire district's responsibility

921
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,480
is to do those things. You talk about

922
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,839
training, burn permits. Um, there's a

923
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:54,000
whole list of things that um,

924
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
but I I I don't see us keeping a county

925
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,440
fire department.

926
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,280
>> Can I just add something to that?

927
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,920
>> Yeah.

928
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,079
>> I think this is we're dealing with a

929
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,880
similar issue at the airport authority

930
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,040
because it's a separate separate legal

931
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,480
entity and they they have the ability if

932
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,000
they don't have the administrative

933
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,880
capacity to to manage their own finance

934
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,400
department or anything. They have the

935
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,640
ability to contract with with the

936
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,480
county, with another city to handle that

937
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,000
because

938
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,720
that's true. We to run payroll to do

939
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,320
human resources and things, but that's

940
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,760
something that the fire district is

941
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400
going to have to to figure out on their

942
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,800
own

943
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,160
>> because I don't see them that I don't

944
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,599
see that group of mayors having an the

945
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,720
fire knowledge to manage burn permits,

946
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,800
you know, for the whole county. I that

947
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,440
>> we'll have a chief that will advise us

948
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,079
I'm sure.

949
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,880
>> Yeah. I just guess just about how is it

950
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,160
structured and where does the payroll

951
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,359
come from?

952
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,440
>> There there's a lot of detail to work

953
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,160
through here. But I think I think we

954
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,760
need to recognize that the there's going

955
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,480
to be a migration over time from

956
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,400
volunteer fire department to

957
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,440
professionals. And I think having the

958
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,520
fire district stood up and functioning

959
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,400
and and doing the things it can do at

960
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,320
this point leaves the door open

961
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,400
for more responsibility as we go

962
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,599
forward. I think the cities recognize

963
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,680
that value

964
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,880
>> not all of them and maybe not 10% but I

965
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,720
think if we let them choose the county

966
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:34,320
>> what they'll do.

967
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,800
>> We're not without representation on that

968
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,599
board. Um,

969
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,320
we will continue to have three of us who

970
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,160
sit on that board and and we're going to

971
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,760
be interested in seeing that the

972
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,599
countywide responsibilities are

973
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,880
fulfilled. Let me let me just say the

974
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,800
attached spreadsheet shows more in

975
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,560
detail the funding of the various

976
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,599
interlocal agreement. It is anticipated

977
00:40:57,599 --> 00:40:59,599
the cities will contract with each other

978
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,160
or the fire protection district to

979
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,359
provide fire and EMF. I've had a couple

980
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:08,960
of cities who have asked us to not only

981
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,440
provide EMS service but also to provide

982
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,960
fire, not us, but the district to do

983
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,400
that. And so, Chief George and I are

984
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,760
looking at that budget and and I think

985
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,190
we're close to being able to cover it.

986
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,240
is anticipated the fire protection

987
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,560
district would begin preparation to

988
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,400
implement the interlocal agreement

989
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,520
beginning on January 127.

990
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,680
Anticipated that the interlocal

991
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,440
agreement would all be negotiated

992
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,359
approved by the fire protection board

993
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,520
and the county and cities prior to that

994
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,160
day.

995
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,520
>> The city after those are in place we

996
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,000
also make the dispersions.

997
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,680
That's that's

998
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,160
>> that's what I'm trying to understand

999
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,670
>> the steps and

1000
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,920
» did I answer your question Nolan?

1001
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,680
>> So

1002
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,680
the unincorporated is going to see an

1003
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,079
800 mil levy.

1004
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,560
The municipality is going to receive a

1005
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,960
less levy because they're already

1006
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,960
getting one from the municipality.

1007
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:19,599
Right.

1008
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:20,160
>> Right.

1009
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,839
>> How do we factor that? if each

1010
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,400
municipality's mill levy is so

1011
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,000
different. Does that make sense?

1012
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,280
>> Yeah. And and all I can say is is the

1013
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,319
mill levy that we transfer to them will

1014
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:34,400
be the same.

1015
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,240
That's and let's just use the number 394

1016
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,400
because that that's what ours amounts

1017
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,040
to. But we really don't have any control

1018
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,400
over whether the city then

1019
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,560
keeps their mill levy just the same

1020
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,400
anyway. And and because of doing that,

1021
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,119
they would harvest four or five like a

1022
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,599
city like Providence or North Logan

1023
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,800
would have four or $500,000 extra money.

1024
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,880
They should be reducing their municipal

1025
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,319
uh tax a corresponding amount, but I

1026
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,720
have no way to compel them to do that.

1027
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,240
But I think once the citizens see that

1028
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,319
this is the tax, they're going to want

1029
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,880
to answer from their city is why there

1030
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,119
isn't a corresponding reduction in the

1031
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,599
city. But I can tell you, I've talked to

1032
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,440
some of them. Some of them are going to

1033
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,160
pass it right on through and give them

1034
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,400
the discount and other cities are

1035
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,560
saying, "This is terrific. We'll have

1036
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,040
extra money to do something else we want

1037
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,760
to."

1038
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,200
>> Okay, one more question. You mentioned

1039
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,240
that Mend has a large area. Chief, you

1040
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,480
can answer this. I think Hireman

1041
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Paradise have a larger area when you

1042
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,240
bring in Scare Canyon at Flat Road and

1043
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,599
all of that up there.

1044
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,160
>> What I've been looking at is the taxable

1045
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,319
value that's outside the city. We have

1046
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:54,560
the county divided into fire districts.

1047
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,200
Now,

1048
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,680
>> so you're taking property value from a

1049
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,160
standard

1050
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,880
>> taxable value. I've been looking at

1051
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,079
taxable value

1052
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,880
>> versus geographical area and the other.

1053
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,400
>> Well, it's geographical. I've been

1054
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,960
looking at both geographic, but I I've

1055
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960
had these fire districts now and I've

1056
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,480
had the assessor and and Craig have

1057
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,599
given me the taxable value that like

1058
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,960
within men and outside of men.

1059
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,720
>> So, can we and bring this up is I'm

1060
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,079
hoping that then some of this extra tax

1061
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,400
hits those places up in Scare Canyon.

1062
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,560
>> Oh, yeah. flat road and everything else

1063
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,000
because if we send a tender or a water

1064
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,000
truck out there, we're really going out

1065
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:40,560
there.

1066
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,359
>> Yeah. That that everything that is

1067
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:45,040
assessed by the county is going to get

1068
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:50,790
hit by our taxes.

1069
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,319
» Does that make sense?

1070
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:54,319
>> Yeah. I think you're looking at is there

1071
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,720
a way to increase service or decrease

1072
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,640
the amount of time to service in those

1073
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,200
areas?

1074
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,400
>> Well, I just want to make sure that

1075
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,160
those up there are paying their fair

1076
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,760
wearing their face shirt because it

1077
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,040
requires

1078
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,720
>> I I would imagine the same tax rules

1079
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,520
would apply to any of the second non-

1080
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,000
primary residencies that they would get

1081
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,920
hit with that same rate.

1082
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,640
>> Yeah. I mean, I used the taxable value

1083
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,640
that the assessor if the assessor hadn't

1084
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,680
got a house that somebody scab together

1085
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,240
up one of those canyons, we just need to

1086
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,440
get the assessor to go up and and put an

1087
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,319
assessment on the house.

1088
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:29,599
>> I've been saying that for a while. We

1089
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,240
need to be watching up there.

1090
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,119
>> I see I see some houses up there that

1091
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,440
>> flipping pretty nice.

1092
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,520
>> I can say House Bill 48 has helped with

1093
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,200
that a little bit, but we've really had

1094
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,040
to dive into some of those areas that

1095
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,480
are in that extreme high risk area, but

1096
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,240
we are now looking property, private

1097
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,079
property, and saying, do we have an a

1098
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,640
value assessed to it? And if not, what's

1099
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,400
it going to take to get that to happen?

1100
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,000
And so that that has been helpful in

1101
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,640
that regard. Is that what's that other

1102
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,000
program that's just coming from the

1103
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,440
state that increases the

1104
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,079
>> the WOOI?

1105
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,000
Is that being watched in those

1106
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,920
areas pretty heavy?

1107
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,200
>> They're they're going the ones the

1108
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,880
state's going to come out and do those

1109
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,720
um assessments, right?

1110
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,640
>> So So they'll assess the property for

1111
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,240
defensible space around it. But that's

1112
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,160
that same program. That's House Bill 48,

1113
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,720
which is the wildland urban interface

1114
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,359
program. Um, and so they send us a list

1115
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:23,920
every year of the areas that are now

1116
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,720
deemed as kind of extreme high-risisk

1117
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,480
based upon a whole bunch of different

1118
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,640
variables in that mix. Uh, we can take

1119
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,520
the partial map do an overlay on that

1120
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,000
and then using the aerial photos that

1121
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,240
get run on the I can't remember the

1122
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,760
frequency of that. I think it's five

1123
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,079
years. we can zoom in and see, okay,

1124
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,400
what is that structure? And then go back

1125
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,319
through the records to identify who the

1126
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,079
property owner is, what the assessed

1127
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,240
value has been, yes or no, what the

1128
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,000
permitting processes have been in those

1129
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,240
areas. Um, so quite a few of them as

1130
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,160
we've looked at those. There's a lot of

1131
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,200
smaller sheds that we may have two sheds

1132
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,520
that are within I think it's 750 ft or

1133
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,839
250 meters of each other. they're

1134
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,480
triggering that there while the value of

1135
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,400
those properties or the structures is

1136
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,119
negligent and so but it is generating

1137
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:14,640
they're going to get hit with the fee

1138
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,440
now for sure

1139
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,520
>> I have a concern not a concern but I

1140
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,200
just think it's disproportionate to say

1141
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,640
okay you live in a shed so we're not

1142
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,079
going to tax you as much but yet there's

1143
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,160
still a body in there that we need to

1144
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,760
protect

1145
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,720
if that makes sense

1146
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,040
>> what's the most equitable way to do it

1147
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,040
>> that's a good question because if we're

1148
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,920
sending a $400,000 pumper up there. So,

1149
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,359
>> I know that's the tough part.

1150
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,280
>> You know, one thing that I wanted to

1151
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,720
that that was kind of

1152
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,640
>> I was just wondering how you did.

1153
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,240
>> I I want just wanted to share

1154
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,720
>> far away you built from fireplace.

1155
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,000
>> Yeah.

1156
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,640
Um, one of the no, one of the original

1157
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,040
ideas was that the county council would

1158
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,040
have to levy this tax and take all the

1159
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,880
truth in taxation and then send all the

1160
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,119
money to the cities, but through

1161
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:03,680
different legal opinions and and some

1162
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,960
roundabout ways. It the this new fire

1163
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,200
district board will levy their own tax.

1164
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,800
>> Even if they're not elected, they can do

1165
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,040
that.

1166
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,800
>> They are elected people. They're just

1167
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,480
not elected to that board. They're all

1168
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,160
elected their mayors or county council.

1169
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,920
They will have the authority to set that

1170
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,400
tax.

1171
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,079
>> Eric, Eric can speak to that.

1172
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,270
>> Yeah.

1173
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,359
» 171

1174
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:30,960
>> 17b1 1001 three.

1175
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,200
>> So our role they'll have to come to us

1176
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,319
and we'll have a hold a p public hearing

1177
00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:39,040
but we don't get to accept or deny the

1178
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,960
tax rate. We just get to hold the public

1179
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,920
hearing and then um I do they have to

1180
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,200
have a public hearing as well or is ours

1181
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,480
they have to go through

1182
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,960
>> the county. Yeah. So the fire the lucky

1183
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,720
members that are both members of the

1184
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,559
county council and the fire district get

1185
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,720
to listen to it twice. That's that's

1186
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,800
what I was if ahead

1187
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,559
>> if your thing but what I want to know is

1188
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,440
in 2029 when it the mill levy needs to

1189
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,440
be raised what's the process for the

1190
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,000
>> it's the

1191
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,880
>> so so there are options if you look at

1192
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,119
um 3A2

1193
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,040
the proposed tax or increase in the

1194
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,520
property rate has been approved by and

1195
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,680
then if you look at B subject to 3B an

1196
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,640
appointed board of trustees so a tax

1197
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,680
increase can be and that's an or later

1198
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,760
on I think there was some confusion

1199
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,280
because we were looking at it as if it

1200
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,040
was an and because lower right below

1201
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,880
that it says the legislative body of the

1202
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,319
appointing authority which is the Cash

1203
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:35,200
County Council. However, um 2B says

1204
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,720
subject to 3B and appointed board of

1205
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,040
trustees. You jump down to 3B and they

1206
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,760
have to go through the process in 17B1

1207
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,280
103. Now 103 requires them to go through

1208
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,160
truth and taxation. It requires them to

1209
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,880
come to create a report um and it's very

1210
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,480
specific on what has to be in that

1211
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,480
report. It has to come before this body

1212
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,800
in a public meeting and it has to be

1213
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,160
open to public comment and then you this

1214
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
body can also make a comment on how they

1215
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,520
feel about the tax levy in the increase.

1216
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,200
>> That that seems to put a lot of pressure

1217
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,319
on two council members. You're covering

1218
00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:11,920
how many districts in the count in the

1219
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,640
south in the south then? Three.

1220
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,680
>> Well, just mine and yours.

1221
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,079
>> Yeah. How many does Dave cover in the

1222
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:20,880
north area?

1223
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,480
>> Marks and Dave.

1224
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,040
So as the appointing authority, you guys

1225
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,160
don't have to be on the board

1226
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,400
>> with that stress

1227
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,440
>> and that'll happen.

1228
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,960
>> But at the same time, it gets you gives

1229
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,640
you a say, but it also gives you the

1230
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:35,920
responsibilities.

1231
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,880
>> I just want to make sure that

1232
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,960
here we sit as a council that we are

1233
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,800
able to help the unincorporated or

1234
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,319
anybody in our district. and and as I've

1235
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:49,280
heard that means and I'm getting back to

1236
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,200
this administration part that we lead

1237
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,000
for the county. I hope that's enough to

1238
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
step in and help a city like Wellsville

1239
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,079
or Mendon who doesn't have a great

1240
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,400
amount of area to do that and training,

1241
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,280
but yet we provide the expertise and

1242
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,680
everything for them in the training and

1243
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,119
all that side. Well, I think that's what

1244
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:08,880
we've been advocating for is that that

1245
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,480
we keep that fire district in place with

1246
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,880
highly professional staff. You know, our

1247
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:15,200
current

1248
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,400
>> That's what I'm too resource for them.

1249
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,000
And we also know that the trending

1250
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,599
what's trending with volunteerism is

1251
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:24,720
that it's it's not

1252
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:25,440
>> it's dying down.

1253
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,559
>> It's dying. And so as those volunteer

1254
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,400
departments are going to be dwindling,

1255
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,160
we already have a framework in place

1256
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,000
with the fire district to go in and and

1257
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,640
help and and eventually kind of not

1258
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,800
consume them, but go in and and and help

1259
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,720
supplement their the needs that they

1260
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:43,440
have.

1261
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,319
>> Nolan, there will be an interlocal

1262
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:50,160
agreement between the fire district and

1263
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,079
Cash County.

1264
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:53,680
There there actually is currently an

1265
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,599
agreement um in place, but I believe

1266
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:56,319
that the

1267
00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,880
>> and that will be specifically addressed

1268
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,200
there.

1269
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,640
>> Let me guess, it's not done right.

1270
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,800
>> We want these services be provided to

1271
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,160
these cities so that we're assured that

1272
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,319
our unincorporated citizens are

1273
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:12,319
protected.

1274
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:15,599
And we still have the ability, if we

1275
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,680
choose, to do just what the

1276
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,119
municipalities are doing, which is raise

1277
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,640
money

1278
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,359
sufficient to provide that protection.

1279
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:28,319
And and that municip municipal services

1280
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:32,640
levy gives us the ability to tax the

1281
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:38,480
uninorporated citizens for that purpose.

1282
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,359
That we're we're just like a city now.

1283
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,760
the city comes and says, "I want the

1284
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,599
fire district to do this and this and

1285
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:48,720
this for me and and signs an interlocal

1286
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,440
agreement. You give me the money." Well,

1287
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,760
we're in the same situation. Our

1288
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,599
municipal services levy gives us money

1289
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,760
that the county

1290
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,400
to tell the fire district we want these

1291
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:08,000
services. And it may well be that the

1292
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,359
beginning levy I set up of 800 mills is

1293
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:13,200
too much,

1294
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,559
just right or not enough.

1295
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,119
But but you will have that ability to

1296
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,079
protect the unincorporated citizen

1297
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,119
because you can tax them and them alone

1298
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,559
to do that. Now instead of having to tax

1299
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,760
the whole county to benefit them, you

1300
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
tax them.

1301
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:34,640
>> So

1302
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,280
>> and their services don't increase.

1303
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,559
>> That's going to be the issue.

1304
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:39,599
>> Pardon me.

1305
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:42,240
>> They are going to see a huge spike in

1306
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,440
dollars and those in the unincorporated

1307
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,440
will see absolutely no increase in

1308
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,440
services for those dollar. Well, the

1309
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,440
part of the problem with that statement,

1310
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,480
Dave, is they have been getting services

1311
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,280
that are equivalent to a city and not

1312
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,040
paying anywhere near what the cities

1313
00:53:59,040 --> 00:53:59,520
pay.

1314
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,440
>> It's been subsidized by Logan. So, when Joanne runs for mayor in a couple

1315
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,440
years in Logan, she can tout that she

1316
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,839
lowered the Logan taxes. There's a

1317
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:10,640
benefit on the other side, too. Um, I

1318
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,960
have Can we just review how many taxing

1319
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,400
entities there are in the county?

1320
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,440
There's obviously the

1321
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,480
>> There's 19.

1322
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,559
>> Okay. And that includes Logan.

1323
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:19,680
>> All right. And

1324
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,200
>> and then the water and then the water

1325
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,359
district

1326
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:24,000
mosquitoes.

1327
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,640
>> And then some of them have sewer the

1328
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,480
school and then

1329
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,200
>> cemeteries. So would they do did they do

1330
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,280
truth and taxation the same way that

1331
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,200
this is done

1332
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,520
>> cuz that that'll help me understand what

1333
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,559
the process is. So, same thing, fill a

1334
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,319
report,

1335
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,240
but not all of them are beholden to the

1336
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,960
council like the school district isn't

1337
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,880
where this would be. They'd still have

1338
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,559
to present it to the council.

1339
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,160
>> School districts do truth and taxation.

1340
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:53,040
Nobody ever comes

1341
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,079
>> because it's appointed.

1342
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:57,359
>> Why don't we want to make it fully

1343
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:00,630
elected?

1344
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,160
» Oh, we should at least ask the question

1345
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,200
and talk about it, right?

1346
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
>> Back and forth because because so much

1347
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,040
of the

1348
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,640
>> We could That's why I'm sitting there.

1349
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:16,390
>> That's a big chunk to bite.

1350
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,920
» A lot of county residents that have not

1351
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,200
>> city services

1352
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,599
>> couple conversations, but what what are

1353
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,440
we actually voting on or potentially

1354
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,640
voting on tonight?

1355
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,119
>> Nothing.

1356
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:28,960
>> Oh, tonight workshop. Oh, tonight

1357
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,960
>> no. Tonight we're going to take Logan

1358
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,119
City out of the mix.

1359
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,680
>> But we're not deciding if there's 11

1360
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,280
board members. We can't make decisions

1361
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:37,680
here.

1362
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,520
>> No, no, no, no. That's we will vote on

1363
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,000
that.

1364
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,680
>> I I didn't say what would our decision

1365
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,200
be. I said what's the

1366
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,119
>> Andrew, I got you covered there. Okay,

1367
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,079
you guys. Maybe we don't have to worry

1368
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:48,559
about

1369
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,119
>> voucher or any of that. just the

1370
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:52,559
>> this is just this was just so that you

1371
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:54,880
guys are all aware of the conversations

1372
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,079
and the the uh direction that we're

1373
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,640
going and that things have been done so

1374
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,720
that because I feel bad because at some

1375
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:05,119
point some of this comes to us and I

1376
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:06,960
want everyone to be educated

1377
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,119
>> so we can table the discussion of the

1378
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,720
board composition for another time

1379
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:11,839
because if there's one thing I love

1380
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:13,119
talking about George you know it's

1381
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,240
boards and their composition with you

1382
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:16,559
>> yes

1383
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,280
>> but we but yeah I think that merits a

1384
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,200
discussion of how many, how are they

1385
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,920
appointed, what's all that stuff.

1386
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,200
>> Well, and ultimately that's with the

1387
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,160
board right now.

1388
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,559
>> The board will make a recommendation.

1389
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,280
>> So, just one thing, the current

1390
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,799
interlocal agreement between the county

1391
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:37,680
and the fire district, the obligation on

1392
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,240
the fire district board is to move to an

1393
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:41,760
elected and that's why I said that that

1394
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,760
interlocal needs to because it's been

1395
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,200
signed by both parties. So, it needs to

1396
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,680
be looked at. If you don't want to move

1397
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,760
>> if you don't want if the if they don't

1398
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,119
want to move towards an elected board.

1399
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:51,599
If you don't want

1400
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,680
>> that is a contrast to what you posted up

1401
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,359
here is the state code then right.

1402
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,200
>> So well that's just the current because

1403
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,359
the current board is an appointed board

1404
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,280
and that's what they currently are at

1405
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,720
and they've got four years to move to an

1406
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,079
elected board under the contract which

1407
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,040
gives them until May of 2028 to do that.

1408
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,440
However, I am not sure what I'm not the

1409
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,640
elected official to tell them what to

1410
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,799
do. But I thought you said since it

1411
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:15,280
never was went back to the fire that it

1412
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,480
was null and void.

1413
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,640
>> I'm talking that. So yeah, that's nil

1414
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,599
about the resolution but not about the

1415
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,680
contract. The contract is still in place

1416
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,079
and it needs to be looked at.

1417
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:27,280
>> Yeah. You'll have to guide us through

1418
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,640
that as we go

1419
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,680
>> as a council like

1420
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,599
>> because we we made an agreement the the

1421
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,119
county and fire district made an

1422
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:36,319
agreement and at that time that it was

1423
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,079
saying, "Okay, you guys want to move to

1424
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:39,520
an elected board. We're on board with

1425
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:40,960
that. we want you to move to elect board

1426
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,480
so that you because we we thought that

1427
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,079
it was going in the direction of like

1428
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:46,960
the water district the county agreed the

1429
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,200
fire district agreed and it was executed

1430
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,200
that agreement is still in place.

1431
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,960
>> So that's the default thing that's going

1432
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,599
to happen unless it's altered or is

1433
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:57,920
>> so there's there's the interlocal

1434
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,200
agreement which is essentially the

1435
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:00,960
contract but then there's the resolution

1436
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,079
that was to move towards the elect board

1437
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:06,319
which has not been passed. So there's

1438
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:08,319
the interlocal agreement which was

1439
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:11,040
agreed to by by both parties and is

1440
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,280
signed by both parties is in effect and

1441
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,040
that is something that will need to be

1442
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,240
changed if we're not going towards

1443
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,760
>> before May of 2028.

1444
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,880
>> okay

1445
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,400
>> sorry I just wanted to bring that up if

1446
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,680
you're talking about board composition

1447
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,480
because that was agreed to by this body.

1448
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,480
>> Okay. We probably need to wind down this

1449
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,920
meeting to get ready for our next

1450
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,680
meeting. And I know this wasn't a public

1451
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,040
hearing, but is there anyone in the

1452
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,760
public that like a twominut question

1453
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,680
that those of you that are here, did we confuse you more or did you have

1454
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,359
something burning that you wanted to

1455
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:46,000
have clarified?

1456
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:46,880
>> Okay,

1457
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,680
>> good for me.

1458
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,280
>> All right. Thank you for being here. We

1459
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,960
appreciate you. And I think

1460
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,839
>> Well, had a chance to say something.

1461
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,920
What the man? We were so happy that

1462
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,200
George is going to get money out of your

1463
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,480
pocket. We don't dating any

1464
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,680
>> Oh, that's helpful, Chad. That's really

1465
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,400
helpful.

1466
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:03,359
>> What about the council?

1467
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:06,000
>> This is This is also still a proposal.

1468
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,720
Nothing has been

1469
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,000
>> Yes. This is a work in progress. I'm

1470
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,599
sorry.

1471
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:12,880
>> Yes.

1472
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,640
>> Do you want to come up?

1473
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:20,230
>> Can you come up?

1474
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:26,950
» Yes.

1475
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,079
Uh, first of all, Mayor Lley from

1476
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,559
Wellsville would just like to thank

1477
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:35,760
George and Kurt for the amount of time

1478
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,240
and effort that they've put in to this.

1479
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,200
It's uh even as in a small city like

1480
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,319
Wellsville, it's become consuming for

1481
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:47,440
us. I can't even imagine what it is at

1482
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,880
their level. At the same time, I I

1483
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,559
believe we have a couple of entities

1484
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,520
here that that's involved. We have we as

1485
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,040
politicians, even though we don't like

1486
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,480
to be called that, we are, but we also

1487
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,280
have our fire protection people. I'm

1488
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,240
hearing a lot from

1489
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,599
this group. I would be interested to

1490
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:13,200
really hear what our fire protection

1491
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,640
people need to be successful and to

1492
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:23,670
protect the citizens of Cash County.

1493
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,839
Two, three weeks ago or three meetings

1494
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:27,920
ago in Wellsville,

1495
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,520
we proposed to move our mill levy to

1496
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,400
eight mills. We had two ardent tax

1497
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,119
opponents in that meeting and we got

1498
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,520
absolutely zero blowback. Now that would

1499
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,960
change ours I think by four 4.7 uh mills

1500
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,960
something like that.

1501
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,400
I I don't believe that that's

1502
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,200
unreasonable for our citizens to get

1503
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,040
that protection.

1504
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:00,000
However, as I sit in various meetings,

1505
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,599
I'm concerned that we as mayors are

1506
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,799
still splintered there. I don't know

1507
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:11,040
what we need to do to uh

1508
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,520
become more united the direction that

1509
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,920
we're going. Very honestly, if if

1510
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,720
Wellsville had the resources that uh

1511
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,760
Smithfield and Hyram has, uh we would be

1512
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,839
in a much different position than than we are. However, uh I just I just

1513
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:29,599
appreciate the county for what they're

1514
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,480
trying to do, for the clarity that they

1515
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,359
are giving we as mayors, particularly me

1516
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:38,079
as a new mayor, I certainly appreciate

1517
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,640
that. Uh doesn't matter which direction

1518
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,799
we go, I believe there are going to be

1519
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:45,520
bumps. There's a steep learning curve,

1520
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,000
but I also believe that we need to

1521
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,359
address those and move forward, but we

1522
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,839
need to do that as an entire group of

1523
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:55,920
mayors and and council members from the

1524
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,920
county. So, thank you.

1525
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,359
>> Thank you for being here, mayor. We

1526
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:00,960
appreciate it. And I I think all of us

1527
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,640
feel like public safety is probably one

1528
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,319
of the number one things we do, and this

1529
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:06,240
is a part of that. We to make sure that

1530
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,640
we provide fire service and that

1531
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,559
everyone's paying adequately and

1532
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,720
receiving adequate service. And that's

1533
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,480
the goal, but it might take a while to

1534
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,559
get there, but that's the process we're

1535
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,640
starting. So, okay, we're going to go

1536
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,160
ahead. I'll take a I don't have to have

1537
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,359
a motion. We're just going to adjourn

1538
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:23,119
this meeting and we'll be back at five

1539
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,680
o'clock to start our regular meeting.

1540
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,160
Thank you everyone for being here.

1541
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,400
Chief