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shop, we have invited our good friend

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who has come to Cache Valley on multiple

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times from VCBO. And the reason I I

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really wanted to have Whitney here is I

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am on the steering committee. Mark has

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been to a couple of the steering

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committee meetings, as has George and

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Kurt. And there's there's been a lot of

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circular conversations. And um I don't

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know that I at some point the goal is

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that they might have a consensus that

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they think would work for the county

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that they would bring to us to vote to

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put on the ballot. That would be the

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final That would be the final step. And

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I'm not even sure that will happen, but

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I wanted everyone else to be informed

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and to to be able to ask questions and

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to hear kind of what the conversations

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have been around the study that VCBO did

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and what where it's kind of morphed into

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cuz it's it's kind of got legs of its

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own, right? So, I'm going to turn some

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time over to Whitney and um

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let her kind of give us an overview and

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then you guys can ask questions and

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we'll just go from there.

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» Afternoon, Keegan and or not here to

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>> They're out of town. So is Keegan.

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Keegan's out of the country.

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And so I'm assuming Dave I know Dave

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will be here for council meeting night.

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He may show up at some point. He didn't

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tell me he wasn't coming.

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>> And I have a lot of information and I

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can go as quickly or as slowly as you

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guys would like.

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>> an hour, so.

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>> Perfect. So, I did want to as Sandy

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mentioned give you an overview of the

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process since we have a little bit more

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time than a typical

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uh council meeting and talk to you about

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we're in the middle of a cycle, right?

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circling and what the conversations have

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been and then go through some of our

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work to date. And ultimately, I think

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we're honing in on a recommendation, but

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we would love to hear the thoughts of

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the council as we work towards this.

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you know, typically these processes

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start with information gathering. We do

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some visioning work. We develop a range

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of concepts. We work together to

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synthesize a preferred alternative, and

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then we finalize and and put a lot of

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meat behind that sort of alternative.

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of that gap between concept development

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and synthesis is the variation between

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phase one and phase two in our contract.

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um and I'll just jump right to the next

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one. There's been some circling. We

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think we come to a preferred

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alternative, and we develop it, and

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people get excited about it, and then

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there are concerns, and then we sort of

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circle back again, and look at another

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preferred alternative, and develop it.

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where we've done a lot of work in

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gathering information, and we'll talk

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through that survey. We've developed

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numerous concepts, looked at a lot of

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different sites and site alternatives.

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number of those different concepts to

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better understand them.

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you know, this it's a little bit of a

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challenge, and you'll see this come out,

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there are a lot of reasons to like

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different options,

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right? And so, while there is a

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preferred alternative that really checks

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all of the boxes, the challenge with

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that alternative as we get into it is

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that it's the most expensive

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alternative, which makes it less viable

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for the community. And so, we'll talk

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through the pros and cons and

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considerations of all of those options

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together. But we haven't quite, as Sandy

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said, come been able to come to

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consensus on an alternative in the

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committee, but we're working through

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those options together.

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information gathering phase, we did do a

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very robust community survey, and we did

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South Valley survey. We then did the

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broader Cash County survey. We looked at

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those responses in tandem because the

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South Valley didn't respond in high

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numbers to the Cash County one because

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they'd already taken the survey and we

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had told them that. So, we did do a

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swath through. We did get over 10,000

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responses, which is an incredible survey

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response rate uh for a community this

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size. And of that, uh we generally heard

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that people are very interested in uh

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county supported indoor recreation.

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of people who don't want it. They it's

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too expensive, they don't feel like it's

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the role of the government. There's a

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range of reasons that they don't feel

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it's appropriate, but the vast majority

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of people are generally interested in

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recreation. Now, that dips a little bit

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when we go into how many people are

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willing to support a tax increase to

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help pay for it, and that drops down to

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84%, but still a pretty high number.

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it's important to note people who are

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interested in it or against it usually

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come out and let their voices be heard,

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and those who are maybe in the middle or

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don't have the time, aren't as

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interested, may not take the time to

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respond to the survey. So, that's

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important to keep in mind.

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>> Bryson, can you turn off the chandeliers

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which one that is.

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>> And then as we look at responses to the

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survey, you can see we had good

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representation from across communities

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where people are, what they're looking

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swimming and aquatics was the number one

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priority across the county. It just eked

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ahead of interestingly adult sports

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recreation and fitness. So, youth sports

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recreation and fitness came in third

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place by a narrow margin. Again, high

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interest across all three of those.

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see for dry recreation,

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indoor court sports was the number one

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priority followed by open fitness areas,

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weightlifting, indoor dedicated track

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and walking area. So, that falls in

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of ages, but

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youth and young adults predominantly and

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adult oriented programs. With we often

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find indoor track and walking areas a

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strong priority in older adults.

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pool interest,

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lap swimming and learn to swim were

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number one priorities and then a zero

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a very shallow depth pool for young kids

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to play in was the third priority. And

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then the fun things, water slides and

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fitness classes, things like that came

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down the line there. But lap swimming

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and learn to swim followed by a space

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for young kids.

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very much want indoor year-round pools

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of party rooms, small community event it

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assortment of community spaces available

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that folks are using.

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far people would be willing to drive for

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recreation. And the vast

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majority of respondents would like to

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have a recreation center

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under 15 minutes drive from their house.

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we're willing to drive up to 20 minutes.

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support a tax increase to fund a new

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recreation facility, um the vast

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66% said yes, they're likely to or very

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likely to. And then there's a little bit

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in the might or might not category of

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about 18% and those ones it's typically

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what's in it for me? Is there something

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hitting my needs and criteria?

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those who responded. And the mean was

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$20 a month. The average was about $15 a

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180, well, specifically $180 a year that

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folks were willing to pay

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as a tax increase. And we were pretty

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quite specific in the survey to note

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that this tax increase would not mean

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you get to go use the facility for free.

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That's always a question that it's a tax

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increase plus a fee to use the facility.

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that point.

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>> understand that the $15 a month is the build the facility.

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explain that there would be also a

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monthly fee for users?

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>> We did note that, yes, in the survey. We

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did not ask them how much they'd be

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willing to pay for a month, but in this

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question about would you support a tax

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increase, we did note in addition to

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paying a membership.

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>> Okay, so that's the way it would be it.

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Would you you'd be paying a membership

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I was very adamant about that.

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we have to be very clear in what we're

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asking people so that they know that

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just by paying their property taxes

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doesn't mean that they automatically get

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to use the facilities for free.

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And so again, our key takeaways from the

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survey, swimming and aquatics are the

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number one priority followed by in close

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proximity youth and adult sports

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recreation fitness programs,

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indoor courts, indoor cardio and

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strength weightlifting areas, dedicated

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indoor track, and in some communities

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indoor fields, specifically the south

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half of the valley, were were the

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priorities in what we saw there.

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And again, the majority of the

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respondents are looking for new

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recreation and wellness center within 10

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to 15 minutes of their home.

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So the when we were here at the council

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last, there was also just a question

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about how often do these facilities get

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used and what how do we figure out how

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many memberships we're going to sell

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when we look at the operations of the

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facility. And so we pulled together some

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information from local annual budgets as

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well as a national database. So on the

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left is the natural date national

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average database that nationally 15% of

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residents have a pass

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a membership to a community recreation

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center.

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In Provo specifically, 16% of the of the

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population has some

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level of a membership plus they have 2%

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non-resident members as well.

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South Davis Recreation is 14% plus 2%

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non-resident members. Lehi City

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Recreation has 15% so they're right in

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line with national averages. Now, these

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are memberships, so they have a lot of

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other people who just come visit and use

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the facility for events, programs,

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activities, or day use passes, and

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that's that kind of total annual users

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at the bottom. So, Provo um recreation

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has 2.2 million annual users within

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their facility, and that's from their

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2023 data.

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Um South Davis is lower at 600,000. Lehi

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is 363, so that means Provo is

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programming that thing like crazy

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outside of typical membership use. And

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you do see that in their They have a

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very low um

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or a very high return on investment.

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They're one of the only community rec

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centers that doesn't have a subsidy.

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They actually earn enough money to pay

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for their full operations, which is

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pretty rare.

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>> Can you say Go back.

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>> Yeah.

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>> When you say total annual users,

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600,000.

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>> Those are clicks of people walking

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through the door.

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>> So, so in that instance, you're going to

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say somewhere around 2,000 users a day.

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>> Correct.

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Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

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And Smithfield recreation actually has a

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much higher percentage. They have 23% of

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their residents that are members, and 7%

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of additional members that are

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non-residents.

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Um and again, that speaks to the desire

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for indoor community recreation within

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the community.

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Um we did also get some great numbers

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from North Logan. Uh they're seeing

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184,000

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They're serving 184,000 people through

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their programs, and that's um at the

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Hansen Sports Complex plus the sort of

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parks and recreation programming. So,

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they're already seeing a very high level

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of usership with the limited facility in

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the indoor fields. And again, um

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just looking national data

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about 25% of the US population is a

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member of a fitness center

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in some way, shape, or form. Um and 30%

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of those have memberships to multiple

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facilities. So,

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health, wellness, recreation is

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something that is generally invested in

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within our communities.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So, the Smithfield is part of

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the high school, right?

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>> It is attached to the high school.

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>> others are

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put together like that?

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>> It's very rare these days. Um

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right now, there are a handful of

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others, but we're seeing a trend where

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the school districts don't want

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community act to have access to their

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schools in the a way that's not

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controlled by the school and by the

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school district. And so, that is not

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something that we're seeing in new

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construction

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at all right now, but it is something

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that does exist in communities that did

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exactly what Smithfield did and said,

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"We have collectively a need for a pool,

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collectively a need for gymnasiums. Why

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don't we share those needs?" And so, you

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know, decades ago that was more common

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practice. It's less common practice

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today. And there's also some ongoing

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legislation that we're hearing about um

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in the state legislature that is sort of

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um

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cracking down on school safety and

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security. It's a big topic of

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conversation. And so, they're really

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trying to control who uses their

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facilities, who has access, and when,

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and how people have access to those

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facilities.

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>> That's too bad because the taxpayers are

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the ones who paid for the schools, too.

403
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Like that it's a I I can understand

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their need for your security, too, but

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there's a lot of facilities that we paid

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for that sit empty.

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>> And there are very complementary hours

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of use. Typically, recreation centers

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are early morning and then late

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afternoon, evening, and weekends, right?

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And so, there's there's a lot of logic

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behind that approach, but also just a

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trend, unfortunately, a little bit away

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from it.

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Any other questions on the sort of

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information gathering before we jump

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into facility options? Yeah.

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>> So, you state that there's 10,397

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respondents, right?

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>> Yep.

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>> We have a

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population of around 145,000,

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so that's about a 7%

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draw.

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You consider that good compared to

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others?

427
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>> I do consider that good.

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Yeah. So, often times when we do surveys

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like this, we'll see somewhere between 3

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and 5%. So, we were excited about the 7%

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response rate.

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» And And the part of this phase two,

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didn't that have a statistically

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There was a different kind of a survey.

435
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>> Yeah, so

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>> been done yet, correct?

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>> Correct. So, we had budgeted in phase

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two to have a company, uh, Y2 Analytics

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is their name. They have a list of

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registered voters that they reach out to

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specific demographics of different

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voters in different communities to do a

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very targeted voter-based survey. Um,

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and that was something that was

445
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anticipated with our phase two work in

446
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the conversations that we've been having

447
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with the steering committee. Folks

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worry that that's still not

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representative. And so, the discussion

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has been, can we find something to put

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on the ballot, if it's the right thing

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to put on the ballot, to really see how

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communities feel. Now, there's an equal

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concern that if we don't put the right

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thing on the ballot, it will skew

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potentially the perspective of what

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people are interested in within the

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community. And so, there's been a lot of

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conversation back and forth, but that is

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still absolutely an option on the table

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if we wanted to do a statistically or a

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vote a more statistically valid

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voter-based survey, we have that option.

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So, when we came to you last, we were

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looking at three different facility

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distribution options.

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The one larger centralized facility, the

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two options north-south, and the three

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options north-south and center. Now, at

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that point, we were talking about

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potential

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>> What are your mics? Sorry.

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>> Oh, you're okay.

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>> This is a recorded meeting.

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>> Oh, okay.

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At this point, we were talking about

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these through the lens of potential

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recreation districts. We've since

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shifted our conversation to say,

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you know, a a best-case scenario

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financially for the county would be a

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county-based bond um that would

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have buy-in from all of the residents in

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the county. So, these diagrams in our

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last meeting, we've kind of gotten rid

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of the yellow lines moving forward, and

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we're looking at how we might distribute

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facilities within the county, and how

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those can best serve the needs of the

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county moving forward.

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And so, uh we did put together some

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preliminary concepts. We've put together

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capital construction costs for those

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concepts, and we've put together

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operational cost estimates at a very

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high level. Now, these are, like I said,

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because we kind of keep cycling between

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phase one and phase two, we have not

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done a deep dive into any one of these

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options, but we have done an analysis

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for all three of them to help us with a

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comparison and a discussion.

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Um that's, you know, a good

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disclaimer and draft statement on there.

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Um we did note that right now, from a um

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sort of national perspective, you may

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not need more than one aquatic center

508
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within the community based off of your

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population. However, we've heard very

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clearly from the steering committee and

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from the survey that everybody wants

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aquatics. And there is a concern that if

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you build a pool in one location and you

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don't build a pool in another location,

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then that may not be a successful

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um attempt to meet the recreation needs

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within the community community. So, you

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will see that all of our options do

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include aquatics at some level.

520
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It was also noted that the current

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Eccles ice sheet is very highly

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utilized, and eventually it should be

523
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added on to. That need is not a driving

524
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need right now. So, there is space on

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the site to be able to add on to that,

526
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and that's what we would recommend is

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that instead of building another ice

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sheet somewhere else in the community,

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you take advantage of the resources that

530
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exist at the Eccles ice sheet, and

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ultimately build a new ice sheet in that

532
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site and location. So, you won't see ice

533
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on any of the options that we're talking

534
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about right now, either.

535
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Um and then we did note that there are

536
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just some things that you need to have

537
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in every facility again to hit the needs

538
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of every generation. So, those are the

539
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courts, the indoor walking jogging

540
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track, open fitness and equipment space,

541
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uh group fitness spaces, a party or

542
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community room, and then of course you

543
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need administration and locker rooms.

544
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So, you will see those consistently

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across all of the options.

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So, option one

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is the option that puts one facility in

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the in the county. And originally we

549
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thought, you know, let's put it up by

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where the ice and the Hansen Sports

551
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Complex are because then you have a

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colocation of amenities and programs and

553
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,160
elements. But the challenge is we have

554
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,640
heard that folks are tired of driving

555
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,760
from the south end of the county up to

556
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,160
that location. So, then we started

557
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,080
looking at a range of other

558
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,720
uh potential locations that are more

559
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,360
centralized to the county.

560
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:57,920
Um with that option, we looked at gosh,

561
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,240
maybe six six different sites, which

562
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,120
we'll talk about in just a minute. But

563
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:04,080
this is kind of the concept that we put

564
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,720
together for that central facility. It

565
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,680
would have a more robust gymnasium

566
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,720
component on day one with the ability to

567
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,200
add indoor turf

568
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,240
as needed in the future. It would have

569
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,560
of course all of the fitness elements

570
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,040
that we've talked about, an indoor pool

571
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,040
for children, play feature for teens, as

572
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,920
well as a competition sized lap pool.

573
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,320
So, 25 yd 25 m with associated seating

574
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,360
in it. Um

575
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,640
Now, this one again, if you go forward

576
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,640
with the one facility within the county,

577
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,320
we would say build the field house on

578
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,280
day one. Um if we look at options with

579
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,240
other facilities clustered in with this,

580
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,160
maybe the field house becomes less of a

581
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,280
driving priority. So, there is a little

582
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,160
bit of a square footage delta here.

583
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,640
Um

584
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,520
And then again, we did look at a range

585
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,360
of different locations and we did drive

586
00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:00,320
time analysis. So, we have not picked

587
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,520
any specific location, but we looked at

588
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080
drive times from a lot of them. The one

589
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,560
that's up on the screen right now is

590
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,000
from the fairgrounds. We said, what if

591
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,880
we put this on the county fairgrounds,

592
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,720
what would access and accessibility look

593
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,520
like within the county? And you would

594
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,080
hit 70 to 75% of the population within a

595
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,520
15-minute drive depending on traffic and

596
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,830
conditions.

597
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:23,920
And we looked at a number of

598
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,480
alternatives. We sort of said, you know,

599
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,120
10th West makes a lot of sense from an

600
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,160
access and accessibility perspective,

601
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,840
and the numbers just don't change

602
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,800
dramatically as we start to look at

603
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,950
other other sort of sites in that area.

604
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,800
So,

605
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,720
this facility, and you'll see this in a

606
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,000
little while, this is the most

607
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,720
cost-effective option.

608
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,880
You build one building, one building is

609
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,920
staffed, there's it's managed in in one

610
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,480
location. Um you get the best return

611
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,840
because people are all going to this one

612
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,600
facility to serve the needs of the

613
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,920
county, but ultimately, we don't feel

614
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,200
like it's meeting the needs of the

615
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,480
county because access and accessibility

616
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,880
and local community-driven

617
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,640
um

618
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,000
conversations are driving this. And we

619
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,880
feel like one facility, one central

620
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,560
facility, is going to make some people

621
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,400
feel perhaps disenfranchised or like

622
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,680
their needs aren't going to be met. And

623
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,160
so this while the most cost-effective is

624
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,960
not the one that we would lean towards

625
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,760
as the most viable recommendation right

626
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,670
now.

627
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,360
» The discussion a lot of times was if

628
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,480
that was put on the ballot that people

629
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,640
outside of Logan probably would not it

630
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,520
wouldn't pass.

631
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,160
>> Right.

632
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,000
>> Probably.

633
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,760
>> And the the viability of passing is

634
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,120
something that is a big part of the

635
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:42,320
conversations with the steering

636
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,040
committee cuz the steering committee is

637
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,440
a group of folks who want this to be

638
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,000
successful. They want it they want to

639
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,640
see something happen. They've been

640
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,600
hearing about it from their

641
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,960
constituents. They've been trying

642
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,240
independently to work through it, but

643
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,440
they they would love to be in

644
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,520
partnership with the county, but they

645
00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,880
want to make sure that whatever's put on

646
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,720
the ballot has the best chance possible

647
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,120
of passing.

648
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,120
And so you'll hear the rest of this

649
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,320
conversation about why it may or may not

650
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,150
pass in our conversations.

651
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,400
» Did any of your studies on these options

652
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,520
consider that um it could be leased out

653
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,680
on weekends or whatever to club sports

654
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,360
or whatever so that there'd be some type

655
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,320
of revenue and how does that

656
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,920
>> Yes.

657
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,560
>> affect things?

658
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,280
>> And and we have some slides later on

659
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,120
that talk about our operational analysis

660
00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:30,400
assumptions.

661
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,440
Um that's a really big question in

662
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,120
community recreation is what's the

663
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,160
balance between leasing the space out to

664
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,280
generate revenue versus having the space

665
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,000
available to the community to meet the

666
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,800
needs of the community. And admittedly

667
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,120
on our operational analysis, we run them

668
00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,320
on the conservative side of having some

669
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,520
leased operations, but typically outside

670
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,640
of peak hours so that the spaces are

671
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,120
available for the community when they

672
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,240
need them most. So um let's say a Sunday

673
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,680
for example or later in the evening or a

674
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,360
portion would be leased out to a club

675
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,800
space but not all of the gymnasiums

676
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,120
leased out at one time for example.

677
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,480
>> And of all the options that go inside of

678
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,000
this facility, is not aquatics and

679
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
swimming the most expensive one and

680
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,800
>> It is.

681
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,120
Correct.

682
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,950
Yes.

683
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,720
>> It is.

684
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,040
And uh there may be partnerships for a

685
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,720
competitive swimming pool but the rest

686
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,880
of the aquatics, the youth activities,

687
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,480
the the space for the kids, the space

688
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,560
for community lap swimming, those are

689
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,360
ones that are hard to find community to

690
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,000
help contribute to.

691
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,840
And so school districts are the ones

692
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480
that we often see as a funding partner

693
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,000
for competitive pools and then that

694
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,280
becomes an agreement of how do the

695
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,760
dollars come in and how do they go out?

696
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,400
Our recommendation is actually to lease

697
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,720
the pools to the school districts versus

698
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,880
having an upfront agreement and the the

699
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,440
benefit of that is you get those lease

700
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,720
dollars over time and those lease

701
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,840
dollars can change.

702
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,240
>> Well, tell the schools to make up their

703
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520
mind. Either partner with us or don't

704
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,122
rent their

705
00:26:06,122 --> 00:26:06,240
>> [laughter]

706
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,880
>> pools.

707
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,160
>> They don't want us in their space but

708
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,440
they want to use our they want us to

709
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,280
build space for them.

710
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,160
>> It doesn't make sense.

711
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,480
>> So, lease it to them when they do want

712
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,920
to use it. That's that's really the

713
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,920
recommendation.

714
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,400
>> Yeah, that makes sense.

715
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,600
>> It it is. It's very hard. As we're

716
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,880
looking at uh the next option and sorry

717
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,560
I jumped over that very quickly. The

718
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:23,880
next option is looking at two

719
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,600
facilities, one on the north side of the

720
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,080
county, one on the south side of the

721
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,360
county. Now again, the specific

722
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,040
locations of these have has not been

723
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,240
determined but we have been looking at a

724
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,760
couple of different potential locations

725
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,200
flanking north and south.

726
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,230
Um

727
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,200
Both of these again want an aquatic

728
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,760
center to some scale but we're

729
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,960
recommending a reduced footprint of an

730
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320
aquatic center. So, as we look at the

731
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,600
north side, again because the Hansen

732
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,680
Sports Complex is up in North Logan,

733
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800
we're recommending gymnasiums be a

734
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960
priority over indoor turf. And we have a

735
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,200
modest, but very functional pool that's

736
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,800
being recommended. So, a zero-entry play

737
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,880
component, a space that you can do a

738
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,560
water aerobics, or you can set up a

739
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520
ninja course, or something fun. A

740
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,760
basketball hoop for the teens, and then

741
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,200
some lap lanes off to the side.

742
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,120
Um again, you see the square footage

743
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,520
drop. So, this one's running around uh

744
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,240
just shy of 70,000 sq ft, but we've also

745
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,800
planned, as we've looked at different

746
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,240
options and alternatives, for growth.

747
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,320
So, knowing that additional gymnasiums

748
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,320
would likely be needed in the future,

749
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,640
making sure there's a footprint for

750
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,560
those. If aquatics does continue to grow

751
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,360
in popularity, and there is a funding

752
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,160
partner, making sure there's a way to

753
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,720
grow an indoor competitive pool. And

754
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,200
also, if the community is just yay pools

755
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,200
all the time, space for an outdoor

756
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,360
seasonal pool, as well.

757
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,480
>> And one thing, Whitney, that is kind of

758
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,080
a component that maybe will come in the

759
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,040
meantime or later, but if this North

760
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,160
Valley was near the current ice arena,

761
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,240
there can be an exchange of heat to to

762
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,720
heat the pool. Like, there could be some

763
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,680
economies done with a North Valley

764
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:06,440
location.

765
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,560
>> And some cost savings associated with

766
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,200
that. There's a lot of sort of um

767
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,080
energy-based financing that by

768
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,760
increasing the efficiency of the ice

769
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,080
rink and tying it into the pool

770
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760
operations, there could be some dollars

771
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,480
available. If that lo- co-location is uh

772
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080
benefit.

773
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Um

774
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,720
So, this one Hold on, I went the wrong

775
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,520
direction. Sorry, pardon me. North

776
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Valley.

777
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Uh we did look at a couple of different

778
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,880
locations on the north side of the

779
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,240
county. This one is specifically is

780
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,080
looking at sort of that North Logan

781
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,040
co-location. That would hit uh just over

782
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,880
about 56% of the county population

783
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,160
within a 15 minute drive, but you see

784
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,680
that we're like by the time you get down

785
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
to Providence, we're out into the 20

786
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,680
minute drive. And so it's really not

787
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,400
hitting again that that south side of

788
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,200
the county, and some of the farther

789
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,040
north communities are also in that 20

790
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,190
minute drive distance.

791
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Um as we look at the South Valley,

792
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,960
um again,

793
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,520
here we've done

794
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,640
limited indoor courts plus a small

795
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,400
indoor turf component, so people have

796
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,560
access to that indoor turf. The same

797
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,120
pool that we're showing on the north

798
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,680
side. We did just put a note here that

799
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,840
Skyview and Mountain Crest currently

800
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,120
have lap pools for competitive swimming.

801
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,920
And so you do have that use kind of

802
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,240
covered as long as

803
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,680
I mean, it's perfect for the

804
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,920
high school kids, right? The The place

805
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,600
that it hits or misses the mark is on

806
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360
club competitive swimming. But again,

807
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,840
you're not going to get as many dollars

808
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,680
from a club component outside of

809
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,160
a pool lease. And so we do want to make

810
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,720
sure there's space on both of these to

811
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680
grow into a future competitive pool if,

812
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,040
let's say, the pools go out in the high

813
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,000
schools, the school district doesn't

814
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,320
want to pay for them there, they want to

815
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,040
partner up and put them in at the

816
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,000
community rec center, we want to make

817
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,200
sure there's space for that moving

818
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,190
forward.

819
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,160
And again, looking at the south side,

820
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400
we're throwing a dart somewhere kind of

821
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,680
between Nibley and Hyrum there. And uh

822
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,120
we're looking at about 46% of the county

823
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,440
population within a 15 minute drive. Um

824
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,560
as you put the two of these together,

825
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,880
you hit 85% of the county within that 15

826
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,840
minute drive time.

827
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,960
And so um there's a couple of sort of

828
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,960
east-west, north-south extremities that

829
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320
are outside of it, but generally good

830
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:41,150
access and accessibility.

831
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,920
And so here

832
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280
we like this option for a couple of

833
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,320
reasons. It has the potential to serve

834
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,600
the entire county

835
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,520
to an effective level.

836
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Right? There are equal amenities that

837
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,120
are kind of distributed within the

838
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320
county, so everybody has access to

839
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,600
gymnasiums, indoor turf, some level of

840
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240
aquatics. And it's it's that Goldilocks

841
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,800
solution, right? It's

842
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,400
of course more expensive than the one

843
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,400
facility, less expensive than the three

844
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,000
facilities,

845
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
um but operationally it's something that

846
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,680
feels like it might be attainable. And

847
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,240
we'll look at the finances here in a

848
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,840
little bit.

849
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,240
Uh again, we haven't finalized the site,

850
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,560
so that's something that would be an

851
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,200
ongoing conversation on these.

852
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,880
And then of course facility option

853
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,840
three, this one was um

854
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,560
for a minute we were really excited

855
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,120
about option one because it's so

856
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,960
cost-effective. And as we sort of

857
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240
fleshed out option one, it became

858
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,880
apparent again that some folks might

859
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,520
feel disenfranchised by that one

860
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,800
facility. And so, we went to the two

861
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,800
facilities, but in that conversation

862
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,920
about one we said, "If there was a

863
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,640
facility kind of between Logan and North

864
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Logan,

865
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,200
and then we move the northern one up to

866
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Smithfield because Smithfield is seeing

867
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,800
some potential pressures from the

868
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680
district that over time they might not

869
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,280
be able to continue to operate in the

870
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,720
way they have been in the past." Um if

871
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,080
we moved a new facility into Smithfield,

872
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,800
we did another one kind of on the north

873
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,400
end of Logan, and we did a third one on

874
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680
the south side of the valley in that

875
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,680
sort of Nibley-Hyrum zone, could that

876
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,880
meet the needs of the county? And from

877
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,720
an accessibility perspective, the answer

878
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,000
is absolutely yes. So,

879
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,960
um

880
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,680
you guys did see all of the floor plans.

881
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,840
So, the center one would be the one

882
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,240
that's in the center, kind of in that

883
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,480
Logan-North Logan, and then you can see

884
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,600
the the north and south up flanking it

885
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,720
on either side. So, this one would be

886
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,000
that three facility option.

887
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,080
And of course, it does hit everybody

888
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,080
really effectively. Um and in fact, a

889
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,400
large percentage of the residents of the

890
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:51,960
county are within a 10-minute drive

891
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,160
time, which is awesome.

892
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,080
But, it does add the a third facility to

893
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,360
cost of construction, to cost of

894
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,560
operations, to running and managing the

895
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,760
pool, all of those various components.

896
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,760
And so, ultimately, while this might be

897
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,960
in 50 years what's right for Cache

898
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,520
County or 30 years what's right for

899
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Cache County as you continue to grow,

900
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,280
right now we feel like it is and we

901
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,440
heard this very clearly from the

902
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,600
steering committee. So, when I say we, I

903
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,760
mean sort of the collective we, that

904
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,640
it's too expensive, it's too big, it's

905
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,720
too much of an ask for the community.

906
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,280
As much as it hits everybody right where

907
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,000
they need it, it's not quite hitting in

908
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,640
the pocketbook, which really matters

909
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,400
today.

910
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,760
So, we did do a deep dive into costs and

911
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320
we brought in specialists. We have a

912
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,600
portfolio of projects that we use as a

913
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,920
cost basis, but we asked a construction

914
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,480
company, uh Westland Construction Blackridge is

915
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,320
their pre-design group. We asked them to

916
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,880
put together some costs and I don't

917
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,240
expect you to read this. I have it blown

918
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,920
up on the next slide.

919
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,400
But, we wanted

920
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,960
a better idea of construction costs and

921
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,360
we also asked them to be conscientious

922
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,720
of what the facility might be and we've

923
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:10,000
been talking about can we use

924
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,879
pre-engineered buildings for a portion

925
00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:17,389
of it? Can we make it a little bit um

926
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:19,399
sort of of the community. I don't know

927
00:34:19,399 --> 00:34:20,600
the right term. I was going to say sort

928
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
of grittier, but maybe a little bit more

929
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,840
appropriate for Cache County in a way

930
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,960
that could be more cost-effective.

931
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,440
And so, they looked at the three

932
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,000
different facilities, the central, the

933
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,320
south valley, and the north valley

934
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080
facilities, and put together a proposed

935
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,000
construction cost. And then we

936
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,639
um they their proposed construction

937
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,919
costs are in 2026 dollars. So, after

938
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:43,520
chatting with them, we then escalated

939
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,200
that 4%. We're back into a nice 4% per

940
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,879
year escalation cycle, which is exciting

941
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:51,159
after the 2020s

942
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,480
early 2020s um

943
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,600
And so, we escalated that, and then we

944
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,640
added soft cost. And soft costs are all

945
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,120
of the things that are outside of the

946
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,760
hard construction cost. So, it's um the

947
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,440
design, if there's any site work,

948
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,360
permitting, utility sort of work outside

949
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,360
of the site, furniture, fixtures,

950
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,160
equipment, all that extra kind of cost

951
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,800
that goes into a facility. Um we had

952
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,520
been carrying 28% soft cost because we

953
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,720
weren't sure when the things were going

954
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,480
to get built. So, we had a couple of

955
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,840
years of escalation built into it. We've

956
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,040
pulled that back to a 2020 um

957
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,440
seven cost plus 20% soft cost, which is

958
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,560
totally buildable for next year. If

959
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,000
these go out another year again, we

960
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,400
would just add a 4% per year escalation

961
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000
over the top of it.

962
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,600
And so, right now with all three

963
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,640
facilities, that's 168 million dollars

964
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,800
that we would be asking for for the

965
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,600
construction cost of the three

966
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
facilities, not including the operation

967
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,360
cost.

968
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,960
And so, that's where everybody in the

969
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,160
room kind of said, "Uh yeah."

970
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,640
"Too big." And so, if we look at the

971
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,240
option two with the North and South

972
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,080
facility, that brings it down to just

973
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,360
over a hundred million dollars. So

974
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,160
again, it feels like it's a more

975
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,320
attainable upfront cost. And we'll look

976
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,400
at the bond impacts here in just a

977
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,550
second.

978
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,760
And then for operational cost, uh we

979
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,080
have a partner that we work with that

980
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,840
does recreation centers all over the

981
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,160
country. And so, Ballard and King has

982
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,200
been helping us with the operational

983
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,800
cost assumptions and impact.

984
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,320
And so again, we've been looking at that

985
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,520
sort of market penetration of a max of

986
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960
15% but what would it look like if we're

987
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,400
down as low as 10% in memberships? Um

988
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,720
and we looked at

989
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,320
revenues and expenditures after

990
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,800
construction. So, it's based off of sort

991
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,840
of a 2029 dollars for staffing and for

992
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,630
expenses.

993
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:53,160
Um looking at again 7 days a week, 50

994
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,240
open 50 weeks a year or closed only on

995
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,640
holidays.

996
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,200
Um and you'll see that 5 or 6:00 a.m. to

997
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,840
9:00 or 10:00 p.m. Those those early

998
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,680
mornings and later evenings are are

999
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,390
pretty desired hours.

1000
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,480
This is the membership that basis. Now,

1001
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,120
again, if you think about if you

1002
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,080
remember we're looking at this in 2029

1003
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,240
dollars. So, these are average

1004
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,560
memberships today in facilities across

1005
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Utah. So, that is again a little bit

1006
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,240
conservative on the

1007
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:29,680
um cost for memberships and admissions.

1008
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,760
And so, if we look at option one, option

1009
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,960
two, and option three revenues, we're at

1010
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,760
uh just under 3 million dollars in

1011
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,120
revenue for option one. Yeah.

1012
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,440
>> Would you go back a slide?

1013
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,760
>> Of course.

1014
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,760
>> So, on the monthly membership, just in

1015
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,720
my mind, if I'm a household of four,

1016
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:50,040
two adults, that's 50 bucks, two youth,

1017
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,920
that's 40. So, plus my tax dollars that

1018
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,000
I'm being charged

1019
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,840
>> You would have that household of 50

1020
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,081
plus your tax dollars.

1021
00:38:00,081 --> 00:38:00,240
>> [snorts]

1022
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:00,560
>> So, you

1023
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,360
>> So, no matter how big the household is?

1024
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,400
>> Yeah, usually caps up to like up to four

1025
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,160
children or something then beyond that

1026
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,640
it's a nominal

1027
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,040
amount per

1028
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,640
>> So, when you said in your survey, you

1029
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,280
talked about $20 that people are willing

1030
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,600
to pay,

1031
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,680
where does that push that if you're

1032
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,440
talking two facilities?

1033
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,280
>> So, that dollar doesn't change.

1034
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:21,840
Households

1035
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,360
>> are only willing to pay and we're using

1036
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,800
the $15 a month number.

1037
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,080
And so the question is how many

1038
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,920
households are contributing to that and

1039
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,400
what is the sort of tax impact of that

1040
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560
contribution? And that was the big

1041
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,240
question and the concern with option

1042
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,880
three is the cost was so high and we

1043
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,920
only have so many dollars. There's no

1044
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,240
way financially we think we can get that

1045
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,360
to be within the realm.

1046
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,560
>> And if you bought a membership you could

1047
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,680
use either facility.

1048
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,240
>> Correct.

1049
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,120
>> So how long would the tax increase go or

1050
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,520
would it ever drop off?

1051
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,000
>> So typically bond amounts are or bonds

1052
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,960
are for 20 to 30 years. This one has

1053
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,920
been calculated looking at a 20-year

1054
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,680
bond period. And then it would be up to

1055
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,920
the county

1056
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,200
to determine at that point if you do a a

1057
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,320
truth in taxation and continue that

1058
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:19,310
investment or if you let it drop off.

1059
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,240
And so again the revenues are about 3

1060
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,640
million for option one, 3.8 for options

1061
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,920
for option two and 4.6 for option three.

1062
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,520
So we do get some increased revenue.

1063
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,720
They're closer to home. They're more

1064
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,360
attainable. They're a little bit less

1065
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,840
crowded in each one. People want to use

1066
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,360
them, but there's not a big leap that

1067
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,110
you see between the three options.

1068
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,120
Uh you do see a big staff increase

1069
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,280
between between the three options.

1070
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,800
Um

1071
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,640
and with that staff increase you do see

1072
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,520
an operational cost leap. And so it's

1073
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,640
really option three is adding option one

1074
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,320
and option two together because you have

1075
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,480
all three of those facilities, the

1076
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,800
staffing for all three, the utility

1077
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,480
bills for all three, etc. Um and you do

1078
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,360
have a capital improvement replacement

1079
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,680
fund that would need to be applied to

1080
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,920
all three buildings. So there is an

1081
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,120
increased cost of operations that comes

1082
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,320
from growing from one to two and again

1083
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,160
from two to three.

1084
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,320
Lifeguards are a big

1085
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,080
uh staffing challenge for facilities.

1086
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,160
And so again, uh looking at option one,

1087
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,840
you can probably break even if not make

1088
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,720
money with option one if it were really

1089
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,120
well programmed.

1090
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,480
Um but again, we feel like it's not

1091
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,000
hitting all the community members where

1092
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,160
they are.

1093
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,440
Option two, it does require a subsidy,

1094
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,400
um but not nearly the subsidy that

1095
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,280
option three requires because of the

1096
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
staffing impact and the revenue increase

1097
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,960
isn't quite as impactful across those

1098
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,040
three.

1099
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Uh there was also a conversation amongst

1100
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,960
the steering committee to see if there

1101
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,200
would be an opportunity to allocate some

1102
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,880
of the reps tax to cover the operational

1103
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,040
expenses and if that's something that

1104
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,000
could be viable to help reduce the

1105
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,280
capital or the upfront bond costs as

1106
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,390
well.

1107
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,400
And so looking at bond impacts and this

1108
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,560
is where I have to apologize, the

1109
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,280
holiday weekend got in the way. We do

1110
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,120
not have final numbers from Science &

1111
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:22,960
Engineering.

1112
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,200
So we have uh sort of rough order of

1113
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,320
magnitude from the information that they

1114
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,920
have shared with us to date, but if we

1115
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,640
look at option two as the potential

1116
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,280
recommended option, um we would want to

1117
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,320
make sure that they're built for the

1118
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,440
immediate needs with space to expand. Um

1119
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,880
and while they're still working on bond

1120
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,720
impacts, we anticipate it would be

1121
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,800
between 155

1122
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,160
and 165 a household for a countywide

1123
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,710
bond impact.

1124
00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:59,120
» So how much is that a month? I'm I'm

1125
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:59,560
trying to do the

1126
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,640
>> So that is $180 is $15 a month.

1127
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,400
>> Okay. So it's less than $15

1128
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,640
>> than $15 a month. Yep.

1129
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,760
And again, that's just for the

1130
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,200
construction cost. We've sort of

1131
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,080
excluded that operational cost. That

1132
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,200
operational cost added like a dollar or

1133
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,920
two dollars a month, something like

1134
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,080
that.

1135
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:16,880
>> Included it?

1136
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,120
>> Yeah.

1137
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,680
Or a year, excuse me. It was a It was a

1138
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:26,790
pretty minimal amount.

1139
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,634
That's the end of the presentation.

1140
00:42:28,634 --> 00:42:29,960
>> [laughter]

1141
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,430
>> A whirlwind of information.

1142
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,760
» What questions do you have? What is

1143
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,960
So, you mentioned Hansen facility.

1144
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,120
>> Yeah.

1145
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,000
>> So, now we're talking government

1146
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,520
competing against a private entity or

1147
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,840
what? Have you considered that? I'm just

1148
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,520
wondering I mean, we used them as a

1149
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:51,400
question.

1150
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,000
>> Yeah.

1151
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,600
>> And yet, they're private. And

1152
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,840
>> Can we ask Glenn now?

1153
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,280
>> Yeah, I think Ned Logan is

1154
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,840
They Yeah.

1155
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,880
>> And admittedly, what we typically see is

1156
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,720
when community recreation centers are

1157
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,440
built in communities, engagement in

1158
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,400
health and fitness activities across

1159
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,280
facilities rises.

1160
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,760
What people often do is they go and they

1161
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,680
join their community rec center and they

1162
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,200
discover they like something, but the

1163
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,760
rec center isn't quite maybe robust

1164
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,280
enough for their CrossFit needs or their

1165
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,880
spinning class. And then they go and

1166
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,920
perhaps join the local one down the

1167
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,520
street that meets that need. Or they,

1168
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,080
like we saw, go to the recreation center

1169
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,720
for their kids to engage in whatever

1170
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:37,120
those programs are and then they go to

1171
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,960
this other one over here. Or the kids

1172
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,440
become super excited about volleyball

1173
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,320
and again, outgrow the community rec

1174
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,120
options and go and engage in a

1175
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,880
competitive volleyball program down the

1176
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,680
street. So, we don't typically see

1177
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,720
community rec as detrimental. In fact,

1178
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:53,960
it's typically beneficial to the

1179
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,360
community

1180
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,240
and private sports and recreation

1181
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:02,230
programs.

1182
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,110
» What else?

1183
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,640
So, is there enough space around the

1184
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,120
Hansen complex to

1185
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,320
>> We did do a test fit and yes, there is

1186
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,000
enough space. It would require some

1187
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,920
shared parking agreements with the

1188
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,480
school district again, which we think

1189
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,480
would be a good complimentary

1190
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,520
hours of use component, but there's

1191
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,120
physically enough space for a facility

1192
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,760
there, yeah.

1193
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,560
>> And and I think believe the county owns

1194
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,030
some of that.

1195
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,880
» Yeah, the the steering committee

1196
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,560
meetings are

1197
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,015
robust

1198
00:44:37,015 --> 00:44:37,560
>> [laughter]

1199
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,160
>> and circular in many times depending on

1200
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,000
who's at the meeting and what um

1201
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,840
opinions they have and so it's been a

1202
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,400
little frustrating, but I think I think

1203
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,240
that we've been able to get a lot of

1204
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,425
good information to you guys

1205
00:44:51,425 --> 00:44:52,200
[clears throat]

1206
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,560
and Whitney's done a great job of

1207
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,240
guiding.

1208
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,720
>> And it's been hard, right? Because and

1209
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:59,400
we we hear that our steering committee

1210
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,520
is made up of the cities that represent

1211
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,920
the residents within this county and

1212
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,960
within the community. And they want to

1213
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,400
do what's right for their citizens. And

1214
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,160
so the closer to home, the more

1215
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,280
accessible that is for each and every

1216
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,040
one of those constituents that they

1217
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,560
represent, the better.

1218
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,440
And so it has been a challenge in trying

1219
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,080
to like find that balance between what's

1220
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,160
the right close to home and what's the

1221
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,840
right accessible attainable amount to

1222
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,760
hit everybody in a way that it feels

1223
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,440
like it's both community rec, but it

1224
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,600
also county wide rec at the same time.

1225
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,480
>> So, if I can ask

1226
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,480
you as part of the steering committee,

1227
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,080
how do we inform or educate our public

1228
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,880
about all the things that are coming to

1229
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,160
a head as far as taxes

1230
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,080
and coming down?

1231
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,800
When I look at what was proposed from

1232
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,000
the fire district, the unincorporated

1233
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,200
part of the county is

1234
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,080
going to be seeing an increase.

1235
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:56,880
>> Quite a bit.

1236
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,240
just for fire and the

1237
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,000
unincorporated county is still going to

1238
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,200
be taxed if we did a recreation center,

1239
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,600
but yet they're the ones who are farther

1240
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,480
away from it.

1241
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,680
>> Exactly. We we talked about those things

1242
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,800
and that that's a difficult um part of

1243
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,240
the conversation, Nolan. And typically,

1244
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:14,240
one of one of the things that was

1245
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,960
brought up by and I can't remember who

1246
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,120
it was that brought this up, but

1247
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,360
typically when we're going to put

1248
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,440
something on a on a bond election, you

1249
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,800
want to give yourselves at least 6

1250
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,280
months to educate the public and to make

1251
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,880
sure everyone understands and ask

1252
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,040
questions and kind of build up that PR

1253
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,200
piece. And if we if we voted if if

1254
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,560
something was brought to the council if

1255
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,760
the steering committee comes up with a

1256
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,840
proposal that they want us to bring to

1257
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,800
the council and say, "Would the seven of

1258
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,960
you vote to put it on the the ballot?"

1259
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,240
We would have none we'd have like just a

1260
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,560
few months.

1261
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,120
Very little time. So, there's there's

1262
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,880
that component that might make it less

1263
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,560
successful. Um my fear and has been all

1264
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,760
along is that you put it to a countywide

1265
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,040
vote and it's 49 to 51.

1266
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,440
But yet, we're still going to force

1267
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,760
those other 49% of the people to pay the

1268
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,400
same taxes. So, there's a lot of things

1269
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,880
to consider as we as we look at what's

1270
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,280
fair, what's best for the whole county.

1271
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,320
Um

1272
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,080
there is just multifaceted. There's just a lot of different parts to

1273
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,720
that conversation. But um

1274
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,080
the ultimate decision about what goes on

1275
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,240
the ballot will come to the council.

1276
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,400
That's that's our decision. Um

1277
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,760
at the end. So, hopefully

1278
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,480
and I don't know, you know, Lindsay's

1279
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,760
here. She's been involved from the

1280
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,760
beginning. There's

1281
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,040
We don't want to put If you put

1282
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,160
something on the ballot and then it

1283
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,360
fails, does that affect the ability for

1284
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,440
other communities to do something for

1285
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,720
their community because there's this

1286
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,800
overriding thought that we don't want

1287
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,200
recreation in our county? Um

1288
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:48,880
and

1289
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,360
>> that was Mark's point.

1290
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:50,960
>> Yeah.

1291
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,920
>> About libraries.

1292
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920
>> Right. Yeah, the

1293
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:54,200
>> Yeah.

1294
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,000
>> We hear over and over again that

1295
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:56,240
>> voted

1296
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:57,880
>> the citizens voted down the light county

1297
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,040
wide library, but that was, you know, 15

1298
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:00,800
years ago.

1299
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,320
>> Yeah. A lot.

1300
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,760
But it still has repercussions.

1301
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,160
>> But we always point to that as a reason

1302
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,360
not to do anything.

1303
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,070
>> Yep.

1304
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,480
» So that'd be a very big concern, I

1305
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,640
think, with any any other new

1306
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,360
county wide effort.

1307
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,480
>> When does the steering committee meet

1308
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,960
next?

1309
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,120
>> It would be nice if there was a way to

1310
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,720
conduct the vote and read the results

1311
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:26,600
because I think

1312
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,200
we may well have a situation where a

1313
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,880
community

1314
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680
uh like North Logan said, we we really

1315
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,160
do want this and we're at 55% and we

1316
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,760
want it.

1317
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,400
Um

1318
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,320
that may lend itself to setting up

1319
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,000
something different than county wide.

1320
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,640
But same thing with Logan

1321
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,680
and

1322
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,520
trying to lure my entire county into

1323
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,760
participating with it

1324
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,040
may make it unattractive

1325
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,640
to a community.

1326
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,480
That's the war back and forth between

1327
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,400
Logan's desire to have it in Logan

1328
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,160
and whether it gets voted one way or the

1329
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,000
other but with the location.

1330
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000
It it's interesting to me that I think

1331
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,200
the city leaderships are far more

1332
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,440
interested in that issue than the

1333
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,560
citizens are. The citizens travel across

1334
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,760
city boundaries all the time to get what

1335
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,350
they want.

1336
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,280
» Yeah, that's that's hard, too.

1337
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,960
>> Well, the travel time is puzzling to me

1338
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,600
cuz I live in Mount Sterling and I drive

1339
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,480
to the south end of Logan to work every

1340
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,720
day and it takes me more than 20

1341
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,160
minutes.

1342
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,640
So yes, in the study it says 20 minutes

1343
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,760
or less and so

1344
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:51,280
I'm thinking of

1345
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,800
>> Our traffic models aren't up to date.

1346
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:54,320
>> Yeah.

1347
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,560
>> Well, it could be different in different

1348
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,080
times of day, too. It's like an average

1349
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:58,480
or whatever.

1350
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,560
>> I'm coming in at 6:30 in the morning.

1351
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,840
>> It should be okay. Okay, our traffic

1352
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,000
models are not up to date.

1353
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,440
So, June 12th is our next steering

1354
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,640
committee meeting.

1355
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,400
>> Okay.

1356
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,560
Maybe to Nolan's point, would you put up

1357
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,320
the

1358
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:15,800
drive time

1359
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,280
chart, at least the

1360
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Well, I think any one of them will work,

1361
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,240
just for the question. But yeah, we

1362
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,320
could

1363
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,434
probably go to option two, numbers.

1364
00:50:27,444 --> 00:50:29,160
» [clears throat]

1365
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:30,440
>> So, you know, we're looking at we're

1366
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,520
saying anything in red is 20 minutes

1367
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,560
>> or more.

1368
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,760
How much more? I mean, if we added

1369
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,720
another thing at 25

1370
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:40,800
>> do that for you.

1371
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,800
>> You know, is that a pink for

1372
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,920
95%

1373
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,280
of the population?

1374
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,240
>> Probably.

1375
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,280
>> So, it I mean, it's you know, we're

1376
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,480
saying in that scenario, 30 minutes

1377
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,000
everyone that lives in the county minus

1378
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,240
somewhere up Logan Canyon

1379
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,160
is within 30 minutes or less of the of

1380
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,840
one of the two facilities.

1381
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,960
>> And and some of the comments that I have

1382
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,680
heard, people that live in mostly in the

1383
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,120
Nibley or Hyrum South area, they they

1384
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,880
love the North Logan North Logan has

1385
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,920
such a robust great programs. There's

1386
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,240
like if you've got four kids involved in

1387
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,800
soccer and you're driving to North Logan

1388
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,960
to get to practices multiple times a

1389
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,640
week. They're just so tired of that

1390
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,800
drive time. But but also

1391
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,200
they have really good programs and

1392
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,680
they've and they do come. Like and and

1393
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,120
Mayor Peterson has the data to show how

1394
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,000
many people from the valley come and

1395
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,680
take advantage of our programs. So,

1396
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,360
that's hard to that's hard to quantify

1397
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,830
that sometimes.

1398
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,600
Okay, does everyone feel like you have

1399
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,440
enough information about the

1400
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,080
kind of where the conversations have

1401
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,080
been, where they're going, so that you

1402
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,720
can think about that and maybe talk to

1403
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,280
your constituents when you have

1404
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,200
opportunities to be around them and

1405
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,560
get a better idea of when something is

1406
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,480
brought to us to decide whether we

1407
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,520
agree to put it on the ballot.

1408
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,760
Um

1409
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,040
>> How do we educate I mean, I know there's

1410
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,200
the fire district. I don't know about

1411
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,360
any

1412
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,960
other things, but our budget, are we

1413
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,960
going to be able to maintain without a

1414
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,760
tax increase this year and when we sit

1415
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,840
and look at our budget, I'm just saying

1416
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,640
all of the things that are lining up, I

1417
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,480
want the citizens to have

1418
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,680
ample knowledge of saying, "Yeah, we

1419
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,880
voted this in and then holy cow, 3

1420
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,240
months later when they start seeing

1421
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,960
their taxes go up, they're going to be I

1422
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,800
wasn't aware of this." That's what I'm

1423
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,960
trying to understand is

1424
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,360
how we let

1425
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,400
every citizen know, consider fire

1426
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,600
district, consider library, consider

1427
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,040
this because I've sat through two tax

1428
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,200
truth and taxation meetings and they get

1429
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,280
rallied just over 12 bucks.

1430
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,920
>> Um one thing that I mean, this is

1431
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,160
something that we need to consider and

1432
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,600
Keegan has really been pushing this. We

1433
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,000
have a public relations

1434
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,800
committee. I think Mark's the chairman

1435
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,320
of it. Um I think we need to be very

1436
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,480
robust. We've never met. Um I think we

1437
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,680
need to think about those things. How

1438
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,120
can we get out of here?

1439
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,560
>> of $0?

1440
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,880
>> Yeah.

1441
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,320
But how can we get out ahead of that

1442
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,560
with our website, with our messaging,

1443
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,840
you know, that I I think that whatever

1444
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,560
happens, whatever we do with the fire

1445
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,640
district, how we end up with that or if

1446
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,560
this comes to a ballot, um I think that

1447
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,360
public education is is huge and um and

1448
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,280
it's hard. I know that, you know, people

1449
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,080
are busy taking care of their families

1450
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,760
and earning a living and they

1451
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,000
to to be an informed citizen takes a lot

1452
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,520
of effort and a lot of people don't know

1453
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,800
where to look for they'd like to know

1454
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,240
more but they don't know where I get I

1455
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:47,560
get that all the time. How can I find

1456
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,480
out more about what's going on or who's

1457
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,040
running and so I think if we can have

1458
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,360
those discussions. I don't know what the

1459
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,280
answer is but I think we can do we're

1460
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,240
not doing anything right now and I think

1461
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,840
we can do something

1462
00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,880
towards that.

1463
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,160
>> So help me understand this also if we're

1464
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,520
doing two facilities which you say would

1465
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,200
meet everything

1466
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,160
does the county take the role of

1467
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,160
administration on that or where is the

1468
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,920
role of administration going to be for

1469
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,520
those two?

1470
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,840
>> No.

1471
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,520
>> What we've heard is all they want from

1472
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,282
the county is the money.

1473
00:54:21,282 --> 00:54:22,560
>> [laughter]

1474
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,720
>> There there

1475
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,520
>> Imagine that.

1476
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,040
>> Yeah. There there are very good people

1477
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,280
in this valley that run very good

1478
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,000
recreation programs that could staff

1479
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,120
those facilities.

1480
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,440
>> What we're really talking is mostly

1481
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,680
having the cities operated but but

1482
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,440
primarily use the county to raise

1483
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:42,280
money

1484
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:42,920
>> to build the facilities.

1485
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,000
Am I correct

1486
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,160
with that Lindsay?

1487
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,320
>> That's correct. I think the idea is it's

1488
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,960
not just about using the county's money.

1489
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,600
It's it's providing a service to the

1490
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,880
county residents. So it's not we're not

1491
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,640
just saying give us your money cuz we

1492
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,320
want to have a fantastic facility in

1493
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,960
Rifle and we're saying let's extend the

1494
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,920
extremely efficient operation of our

1495
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,520
recreation programs into this arena that

1496
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:11,670
would benefit the entire valley.

1497
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,360
There was also talk of phasing.

1498
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,880
>> Fair adult. You're not suggesting that

1499
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,600
the county

1500
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,640
form a recreation department and operate

1501
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,240
these facilities. What we're talking

1502
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,640
about is the county bonding for the

1503
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,440
money and then basically turning it over

1504
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,960
to the cities to operate the facilities.

1505
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,400
>> Maybe they have some kind of contract.

1506
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,080
>> idea that the

1507
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,040
cities that

1508
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,560
our our tax base would be used to build

1509
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,000
it

1510
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,560
and and hopefully we'd have some wraps

1511
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,240
money to maintain the facility, but the

1512
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,760
operational expenses

1513
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,160
would rest upon the cities.

1514
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,480
And that's

1515
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,280
whether that's practical or not and how

1516
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,840
much rest on which cities,

1517
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,560
I don't think that's been fleshed out

1518
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,240
entirely as to which cities are going to

1519
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,400
take

1520
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,600
care of the operational

1521
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,840
part of this, but I've never heard

1522
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,680
anyone suggest that we're going to

1523
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,800
operate the facilities.

1524
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,480
>> So, in one of the slides you talked

1525
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,000
about wraps, but there were numbers in

1526
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,280
red. Is that what you were saying wraps

1527
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,680
should contribute?

1528
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,680
>> That is the operational shortfall of the

1529
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:26,600
facility.

1530
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:27,920
>> Without wraps?

1531
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,760
>> Correct.

1532
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,400
>> It was 11 It was 1.1 million.

1533
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,400
>> The cost of the bond, the cost of the

1534
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,920
bond and the servicing of the bond would

1535
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,120
come out of property taxes levied by the

1536
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:39,800
county.

1537
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:40,200
>> Correct.

1538
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,960
>> But but then we would be asking Well,

1539
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,720
right right there, option two, 1.1

1540
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:45,360
million from wraps, right?

1541
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,360
>> Yes, so that is the amount of dollars

1542
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,520
that would be required to maintain full

1543
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,320
operations of the two facilities. The

1544
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,280
question is, how could some of it if any

1545
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,240
come out of wraps? And if so, great. If

1546
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,000
not, you can wrap that full amount into

1547
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,200
the bond

1548
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,880
to cover that delta.

1549
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,120
>> And she said it would only be a dollar

1550
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:05,880
or two a year.

1551
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,920
>> A couple of dollars a year, yeah.

1552
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,600
>> So, has it been explored totally that it

1553
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,800
can't be privately funded? Cuz was the

1554
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,920
Hanson privately funded at one time or

1555
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,840
how did that work?

1556
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,920
>> Um sorry, privately funding recreation

1557
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,560
centers?

1558
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,560
>> Uh-huh. Well, the the Hanson

1559
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,120
specifically,

1560
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,400
the Hanson complex.

1561
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,240
>> That one was privately built.

1562
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,760
And then ultimately

1563
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,440
North Logan City operated it after

1564
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,840
having it be privately operated. And

1565
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,880
then North Logan took that over

1566
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,800
and doubled the usage and the revenue in

1567
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,560
a year. And so then the Hansen family

1568
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,160
gifted it

1569
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,880
>> But you didn't ever pay for it, just the

1570
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,720
operation part of it.

1571
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,040
>> Right. That's right.

1572
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,200
>> And there may be opportunities for

1573
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,800
private partnerships once we get a if we

1574
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,640
said here's what we are comfortable

1575
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,960
with, here's what it's going to cost,

1576
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:07,560
let's start looking for some private

1577
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,200
funding or even some state funding

1578
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,640
possibly.

1579
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,480
Like there could be other options. We

1580
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,840
just haven't

1581
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,760
>> The RAPZ was just one suggestion.

1582
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,800
>> Just one suggestion that there is is

1583
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,200
recreation art parks and parks and zoos.

1584
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,240
So it's kind of what the and people are

1585
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,200
already paying that without it coming

1586
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,280
out extra out of their pockets. That amount they're already paying it by

1587
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,320
going out to eat and by the different

1588
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,360
things that fund the RAPZ tax.

1589
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,440
>> Well back to it's still taxpayer money.

1590
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,000
>> It is taxpayer money but they're already

1591
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,400
paying it.

1592
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,600
It's it wouldn't be an extra. Yes, it

1593
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,320
wouldn't be an increase.

1594
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,040
>> Back to your example of 49 and 51.

1595
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:43,920
>> Mhm.

1596
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,000
>> I could see if we did pull RAPZ in that would

1597
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,640
upset maybe some of the outlying

1598
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,880
communities who are relying on that RAPZ

1599
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,080
to help their

1600
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:53,480
>> Yeah.

1601
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,040
>> recreation.

1602
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,360
>> Yeah. I don't know that it's a viable it

1603
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,560
was just a thought that that might be

1604
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,360
something if if it was a big portion of

1605
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,320
the county that really wanted recreation

1606
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:03,640
and that they could have some of the

1607
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,560
operations paid for without incre- any

1608
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,360
tax increase, they may say yes, we want

1609
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,880
recreation

1610
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,600
overall and that's, you know, that would

1611
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,560
be something that would just have to be

1612
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,480
it's just one thought.

1613
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:21,030
One option.

1614
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,320
Okay.

1615
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,440
That was a very informative hour. Thank

1616
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,040
you, Whitney, so much for cut You've

1617
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,440
come to Cache Valley so many times.

1618
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,120
appreciate you.

1619
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:29,791
>> It's a good thing I like it up here.

1620
00:59:29,791 --> 00:59:29,960
>> [laughter]

1621
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,640
>> I've heard that there's some really

1622
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,440
phenomenal bread that comes out of Hyrum

1623
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,280
on Friday mornings. So, we're going to

1624
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,080
have to at some point re- do our entire

1625
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,720
schedule so I can be here at 7:00 a.m.

1626
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,960
on a Friday morning.

1627
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,120
>> Perfect. Okay, does anyone have any last

1628
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,800
questions for Whitney before we

1629
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,280
finish up this meeting?

1630
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,240
Okay.

1631
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,280
>> Thank you all.

1632
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:50,800
>> All right, thank you.

1633
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,280
>> Okay, that ends our um

1634
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,160
workshop meeting. We will begin our

1635
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,790
council meeting at 5:00.

1636
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,440
There is and there are sandwiches,

1637
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,240
right, Andrew?

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>> Yes, ma'am.