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It's now 3:30. We are excusing um both

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council members Dave Erickson and Marc

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Hurd. They're coming after they are able

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to wrap up a few things that that they

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have at work.

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Um and our chair uh Sandy Goodlander is

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not going to make it today. So, we thank

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you very much for coming and joining us

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at our workshop um

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of the uh council Cash County Council

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and the Cash Open Space Advisory

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Committee. And um we welcome uh this

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chance that we have to speak a little

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bit uh

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in more informally and uh

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hear some of the projects and and the

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vetting that we've been able to

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uh receive from you and an update on the

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program. So, I think I'm going to turn

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the time over to Chris who's the chair

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of the COSAC and uh you've got some

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information for us.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So, thank you.

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And so, exactly right um

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Councilwoman um

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I noticed in going through my notes and

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stuff that it's been uh 11 months since

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we got together last. So, it seems like

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an appropriate time to just kind of

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touch on on the program, let you know

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about um some of the things we've been

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working on,

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but hopefully spend um the bulk of our

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time talking about things we feel like

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we need some guidance from the council

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on in particular. And so, I'll do a

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brief overview

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and um and then um

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partway through my overview, I'm going

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to ask if Seneca can come up and show

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you some of the GIS work associated with

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some of these projects that's been

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completed by staff.

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just um brought forth. and um so I'm

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excited to show you about that. And then

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we'll spend the remainder of the time,

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thank you, on

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the kind of the questions we have for

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you guys.

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Uh I've also invited Jeremy Christiansen

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uh with UDAF here, as well as Gabe

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Murray with Bear River Land Conservancy.

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some of the discussion may involve

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questions that we have for organizations

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like them. You may want to give them a

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couple of minutes to chime in on our

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conversation, that sort of thing. Um I

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do think most uh because we have an

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hour, right? Uh we want to leave I want

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to leave plenty of time for um some

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discussion. And then I'm also not

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expecting that you're going to have

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answers necessarily today, especially

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without having the full council here, um

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to some of our questions. So I'm

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assuming

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uh you might provide feedback or

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guidance at a later date.

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This way. It's the wheel, right?

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Yeah, I got to turn it on.

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Okay. So um

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the COSAC exists because in November of

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the citizens were offered an opportunity

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to vote on an open space bond, which

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they approved at that time. So we're

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coming up on the 4-year anniversary in a

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few more months, later this fall,

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um since the residents voted um on the

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we uh here's a quick overview of the

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COSAAC, really.

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Formed by ordinance in February 2023,

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you appointed the members, the initial

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members of COSAAC in April of 2023.

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seven voting members, two ex officio

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members, and um those who could attend

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today are here with me, and you can see

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the list there. I think you guys know

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most most of our committee.

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and uh we meet generally on the first

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Monday of uh each month, and if we need

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to, we also meet on the third. Um and

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lately we've been meeting twice,

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sometimes three times a month, because

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we've had a number of site visits on

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projects that have come in on

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applications lately. So, um over that

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time frame, so that's about 30 months,

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if you will, uh we've had over 52

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and uh we started receiving applications

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in January of 2024.

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Oops, sorry, backwards.

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kind of shows our process. In general,

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if someone's interested, they can come

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to one of our meetings and have a

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conversation with us in a

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pre-application

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uh type of uh arrangement. Um

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and we'll we'll give anyone time if they

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would like to talk about a potential

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project. Um they have a chance to ask

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questions, we give them guidance, and if

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they choose, they can submit an

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application. So, our application process

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get to know you, and um know about your project, go and do a

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site visit and score the project. And

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approval, we bring that to the council

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first round approval process. Then the

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if they're working with other partners

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does their due diligence and they come

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back to us with a price um and an

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a an arrangement, if you will, um for

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the program. And then if uh it proceeds

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forward with approval from COSAC, we

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two-step process. We try to really make

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it quite easy. And so, in our open space

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funding application, we're just looking

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for some basic information, contact

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information, are you willing to enter an

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agreement with the county, is the is

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your property does it have clear title?

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future uses of the property? And then in

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particular here, what benefits will the

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public receive from this? Is it

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something that protects a scenic vista

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wetlands, wildlife habitat, those kinds

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our uh trails master plan, if there's a

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are they willing to allow for that

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public access? And then we ask them if

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they're working with other partner

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organizations.

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about the overall applications that

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funding submits their application, the

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them. We will um go out and um

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evaluate the project on the ground.

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the project. And we come back, we score

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the scoring it's a similar program, but

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is it part of a master plan, so on and

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we've had 20 potential projects come

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and they represent over 2,000 acres of

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of those projects are open space

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projects and one of them was a trail

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project, trail easement project.

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submitted applications.

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round two approval with fixed dollar

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acquisitions where you've purchased the

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there represents what the council has

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the projects that have received the

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approvals, they generally are partnered

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with other funding sources as part of

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their request or their application.

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And we've the CO Sack has for those

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projects allocated between 25 and 30% of

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the project funds.

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And so we've been able to leverage

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60 70 to 75%

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of those projects.

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So

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>> When you say that is it 75% of the value

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of these one year

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>> Yes, sir. Correct.

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Okay.

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Any questions so far?

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>> I do have a question. So you have 20

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potential projects have come which have

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resulted in 12 applications. So the

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remaining eight have come to the just

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conversation phase of

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>> Three applications.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yep.

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>> And and

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>> Most of those and I'll I'll talk about

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this in a couple of minutes, but most of

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those are small parcel projects. So less

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than 50 acres.

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>> And then

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>> Six out of eight of those are small parcel projects and they have

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I would say a unique set of challenges

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and we'll kind of touch on that in a few

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minutes.

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>> Yeah.

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Okay. Any other questions so far?

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So if you don't mind what I'd like to do

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is turn a few minutes over to Seneca if

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that works for you, Seneca. And

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have her come up and kind of walk us

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through some of the GIS mapping so that

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because we're just these are words.

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It's fun to see maps and I think the

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maps tell a story that I'd like to

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highlight as well.

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>> Also the graphics have been really good.

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Are all of the pictures from projects

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that we've received? They're cool. Are

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the pictures I guess not graphics but

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pictures have been cool.

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>> Yes. Yes. All those pictures are

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projects.

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>> has gotten those with his drone?

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>> The ones from a drone, yes.

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Except for there is

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uh a more

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that's

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until his drone crashed.

335
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>> [laughter]

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>> RIP drone. Okay, good. It can come back.

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>> Well, I just have a question.

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Did you say that the county pays 25% of

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the funding?

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>> Say that again.

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>> How much of that funding comes from the

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county? Is that 100% or a portion?

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>> Those dollar amounts are our funding.

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The actual project values are much

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higher than that. So, for the 1.8

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million, if you will, that has

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our COSAAC [snorts] projects.

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That

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1.8 million represents 25 to 30% of the

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value. So, you can imagine that the

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total value of those two projects is in

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the neighborhood of 6 to 7 million

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dollars.

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>> But the funding comes outside of the

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county, part of it.

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>> Correct. So, those projects in

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particular, and I can touch on that as

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well,

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have received other federal and state

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funding as well as land owner donation.

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>> Thank you.

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>> You bet.

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>> Okay.

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So, Chris asked us

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to kind of

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help organize and visualize these

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projects.

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We felt like it was a lot to throw at

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people cuz we felt like maybe not

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everyone has understood this process.

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So, we did create a story map, is what

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we call it. We kind of walk people

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through what's happening.

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So, it's just got a little bit about

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what it is and then we break it down.

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So, these are all the preliminary

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applications.

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And then it goes to like first round,

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what that means, what's happening. It

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has the score sheet if they want to know

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what that looks like.

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These are the ones in the first round.

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Then we have the second round.

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Any of these, if you click on them,

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it has all the dates when things are

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passed, any resolutions,

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and um any money, so what they've

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donated, what they've got from

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different funding sources.

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Their score, and then also is attached

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the resolutions and whatever they've

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turned in as their packet, so you can

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see all that together.

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It also

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talks about the ones that the county

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bought.

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A little bit of information about that,

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how that happened.

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Um talk about the trails with the trail

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scoring sheet, so people can just kind

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of walk you through it slowly.

402
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The graphic of how all works.

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And then we have a map where all of them

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are together and you can zoom in

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and see existing conservation easements,

406
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also.

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And they also have attachment of

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whatever those conditions are, whatever

409
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the use is, how it is done.

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We have the completed projects, so you

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can see the press release and say, "Oh,

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yeah, we bought it, what can we do with

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it? Like, can we go access it? How would

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it all that happen? What are the money

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like?"

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We have the funding totals, so that's

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what has been spent from the coffers,

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and we have what's been promised in

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round two, so what's gone through county

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resolution, what that round two has been

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promised.

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We also have um

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a dashboard. So, as you get more, they

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get more funding,

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we can track how many acres are in which

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phase, and then eventually we'll be able

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to say like how much are we getting from

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the

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We can be able to calculate how much

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you're getting from the landowner.

431
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See how much money's left from your 20

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million, and also how many acres are

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totally in conservation.

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>> So, what that shows right there is

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um

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we've documented at least 17,000 acres

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of existing conservation easements, so

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that pre-dates the county's program.

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And so, of course, as we add to that

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total number, that number will increase,

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but there's there's been, you know, well

442
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over 25 years of conservation easement

443
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and conservation programs

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um

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for projects in Cache County. And so, we

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know there's

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uh a land land ownership uh

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landowners many landowners in in Cache

449
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County that are interested in this type

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of program.

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Can you uh click on back back on the map

452
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that so we can just kind of pan around a

453
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little bit?

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Uh

455
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please.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And so, yeah, just maybe zoom in a

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little bit as we start to see

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» been approved they've got a lot of

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different funding mechanisms that are

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coming in.

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>> Zoom out just a little bit just so that

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folks can see. Yeah, I think what's

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helpful to

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note those those light blue polygons are

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all existing easements. Some of them are

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owned by PacifiCorp, for example,

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or Division of Wildlife Resources, or

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um

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but most of them are are private

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landowners.

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And so, this is great because

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we like to build on those where we can.

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And so, knowing knowing where other

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conservation easement projects are

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>> Adjacent to those, yeah.

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>> Yeah.

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So, a great tool that we have now, so

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thank you, Seneca. Appreciate that.

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Um

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Okay.

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Back to where we left off.

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Um so, that's kind of an overview of the

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current projects. This is going to be

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hard to read. This is kind of a detailed

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table of those 12 projects that that

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have made it that far in the in the

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process and that sort of thing. So, um,

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this is not really readable. So, I won't

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spend any time on it, but we have the

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details if we need to refer to that at

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all.

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Um, here here's the kind of the key slide for my presentation today.

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And these these are items that we're

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looking for County Council guidance on.

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And uh, there's I've kind of grouped

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them into three categories.

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Um,

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what's the county's role in open space

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projects?

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What are small or are there any really

502
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small parcel funding opportunities for

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the program? And then uh, the question

504
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of greenbelt rollback tax.

505
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And so, digging in a little bit more,

506
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uh, this is how I would phrase each of

507
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these. And so, under the county's role

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in open space projects, you know, right

509
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now you're at level one, that first

510
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,040
level, fund funding only, right? You're you've you've purchased uh,

511
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you've acquired um, a couple of

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properties, but outside of that, I'm

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focused on kind of the COSAAC role um,

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in [laughter] funding. And does the

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county just want to be involved in

516
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funding these projects, being a partner,

517
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,800
that sort of thing?

518
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Or do you want to go a step further and

519
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have staff help facilitate some of these

520
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,560
projects? Let's say if there's not a

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partner available. But the county really

522
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likes the project and wants to see it

523
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move forward. How do we

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make that happen? Do we um,

525
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hire out those services, do we try to

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have in-house staff

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um provide those due diligence, if you

528
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will, tasks, those kinds of things. That

529
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that's an option. Some programs have

530
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,720
that level of involvement. And then the

531
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third level of involvement is the county

532
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want to be an easement holder. And so,

533
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what that means is once you take on that

534
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,280
responsibility, then that means in

535
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perpetuity you're going to in have those

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investments in monitoring and protecting

537
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um the easement itself. And so, do you

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want to go to that level? So, and and

539
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,560
your answer may be no to

540
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all of those. We're happy to stay at at

541
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level one.

542
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But, I think we're going to have

543
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projects that

544
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are going to get stalled

545
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if we

546
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if they don't fit into a different

547
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category. So, something to think about.

548
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,720
As far as the small parcel funding

549
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,280
opportunities,

550
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,840
um as as mentioned earlier, we've got um

551
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seven projects so far that are

552
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um

553
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six of those are in the pre-application

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phase. One of those we approved for

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around one funding, but it was unique as

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it's a long one of our gateway

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um

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areas um at the mouth of Sardine Canyon.

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Um the rest of them are within

560
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communities. They generally are um

561
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,400
parcels of land that are within North

562
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,320
Logan or Smithfield or that sort of

563
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,320
thing.

564
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,400
Or Hyde Park. And um

565
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,360
they're not going to attract other

566
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,280
funding sources, likely. So,

567
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,600
should we um

568
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,240
say no to all of those projects, or is

569
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,560
there some value there worth looking at

570
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,200
that we should consider pursuing? I

571
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,960
think the the risk there is if we're not

572
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,880
going to find other funding sources,

573
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,560
either that difference in what you may

574
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,040
spend on a a a project that's attracting

575
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,800
other funding sources

576
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,200
um is going to have to be made up by

577
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,400
additional funding or

578
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,600
um larger landowner donation or both,

579
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,880
obviously. But

580
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,440
>> They're going to have a higher value if

581
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,520
they're located in North Logan.

582
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,040
>> on a commercial

583
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,160
>> to a commercial. Yeah.

584
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,840
>> basis.

585
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:32,360
>> Yeah.

586
00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,720
>> kind of thing. So, but

587
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,040
the you know, and and um

588
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,040
not every one of those is going to be

589
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,040
worthy, you know, of your support. But some may be, and I think we're we've

590
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,600
we're starting to see enough of those

591
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,600
like

592
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,280
we want to know

593
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,240
from I think the council how interested

594
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,280
you are in in looking at those because I

595
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600
think we can continue to process them

596
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,720
and bring them to you the format of

597
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,920
funding and that sort of thing and uh

598
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,400
potential easement holder so on and so

599
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,680
forth may be different than what we've

600
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,880
been doing.

601
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,680
And then is there a role for the

602
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,520
greenbelt rollback taxes um for small

603
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,680
parcel projects or something like that

604
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,400
is a question we have for you guys and

605
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,000
um worth worth exploring.

606
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,920
And then okay, and detailed the last

607
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,200
section there, greenbelt rollback tax.

608
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,040
Is Is there a role for COSAAC in project

609
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,320
selection, for example? Um the council,

610
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,560
of course, can choose to um

611
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,680
look at and accept applications or

612
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,240
pursue projects outside of COSAAC,

613
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,800
obviously. For for greenbelt rollback

614
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,760
tax funding, you could also

615
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800
um funnel those projects through our

616
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,640
application process.

617
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,800
Um

618
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,960
Do you

619
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,120
Can't can and then therefore if if if

620
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:05,720
you want us to participate

621
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,600
uh can we use that as a source to fund

622
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,520
projects or even if you don't want us to

623
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:16,240
participate? Um is that There's a potential for a project that

624
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,640
comes through our door that we're really

625
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,120
interested in that scores high but

626
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:24,400
somehow can't get that

627
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080
bigger federal funding for example.

628
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,800
Um say

629
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,440
uh there's an

630
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,240
the NRCS is going to value farmland

631
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,880
that's prime farmland irrigated. We have

632
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,240
a lot of great dry land farm projects.

633
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,200
So they're not going to attract that

634
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,920
federal funding or less likely to

635
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,800
attract that federal funding.

636
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,680
So um

637
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
in that case can greenbelt rollback tax

638
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,760
be added to the bond funds, you know,

639
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,880
for a bigger combined total amount?

640
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,320
So I'm just sort of

641
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,960
throwing out scenarios that I can see

642
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,920
happening or coming now [snorts] that

643
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,960
we've

644
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,320
had this program and we've we've seen 20

645
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,720
projects come through the the door and

646
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,840
then

647
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,360
uh lastly if you choose to

648
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,520
use the greenbelt rollback tax funding

649
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,000
mechanism

650
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,560
what are the funding scenarios that that

651
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,920
may make sense? Are those projects that

652
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,200
we're still going to try to leverage

653
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,400
with other funding sources?

654
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,560
Or

655
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,920
are those projects we're going to say

656
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,880
this project is great, it's small

657
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,120
um

658
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,360
and it's important

659
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,560
and we're going to

660
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,440
spend

661
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,640
100% on that particular project.

662
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,440
>> Chris, on on using greenbelt rollback

663
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:48,920
>> Yes.

664
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,000
>> Do you capitalize it, make projection of

665
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,240
what you're going to have, and then

666
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,480
capitalize it to create

667
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,720
that amount of money in that category.

668
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,920
Is that how you do it?

669
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,760
>> Great question. I I don't know. Um I

670
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,080
think and and that may be a question

671
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,400
that Jeremy could answer since he's

672
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,560
going all over the state and talking to

673
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,920
counties and how they want to use that

674
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,720
tax. So, maybe that's a better question

675
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,560
for him to answer because at this point

676
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,680
I say whatever you however you want to

677
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,600
organize it is okay with me, but

678
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,560
do you have thoughts?

679
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,360
>> I I

680
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,720
like you said, we've been going around

681
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,200
and and talking to a bunch of different

682
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,800
counties and trying to understand how

683
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,560
they are planning to utilize the

684
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,680
rollback taxes and as you could kind of

685
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,360
guess, they're all over the place on how

686
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,400
they want to do it, and I think

687
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,440
>> How much does that amount to? How much

688
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,840
in cash flow a year do we get out of it?

689
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,160
>> Varies.

690
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Last year was what? Seven? What did

691
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,720
Craig tell us?

692
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,120
I mean, it's it varies depending on how

693
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:53,800
much

694
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,280
>> Right.

695
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:54,600
>> But

696
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,320
>> We've We've done a look back. I know. Um

697
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,520
I think I'm going to say over the last

698
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,600
10 years or something like that, and the

699
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,640
average was a million dollars. So, it's

700
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,280
some some years it's been more.

701
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,480
>> I think last year Craig told us was 700

702
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,400
something thousand.

703
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,080
>> Okay, so

704
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,840
>> It's a significant amount.

705
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,280
>> What do we do with the money now?

706
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:14,880
We do

707
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,000
>> It's a new program. So, 2025 is the

708
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,840
first

709
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,640
>> but before that, did we it came into our

710
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,550
general fund, right?

711
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:32,470
Who says we can do without it?

712
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,120
» True.

713
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:33,499
>> Right?

714
00:28:33,499 --> 00:28:34,400
>> [laughter]

715
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,920
>> That's beyond

716
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,160
uh COG.

717
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,960
>> It's new legislation that is passed and

718
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,880
>> I don't know if it's shall or

719
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,440
>> May?

720
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,160
I don't know the verbage of the Do

721
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:48,880
you just

722
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,240
>> It is required that the counties take

723
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,680
100% of the rollback taxes collected and

724
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840
they maintain those in a separate

725
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,840
account at the county

726
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,320
for

727
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,400
land conservation type projects.

728
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,080
>> Jeremy, do you mind I'm sorry. We are

729
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,600
informal, but do you mind coming to the

730
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,520
microphone?

731
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,000
>> Not at all.

732
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,640
>> Just so that we can make sure that

733
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,360
everyone that may be viewing remotely

734
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,000
can hear you.

735
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,480
>> Of course. Um so, House Bill 237 was

736
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360
passed two sessions ago.

737
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,080
Um

738
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,000
the session before that they had passed

739
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,520
some amendments to the rollback taxes

740
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,840
where uh a portion went to uh was to be

741
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,960
set aside for these types of projects.

742
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,880
And then two sessions ago they passed

743
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,560
House Bill 237, which amended that to

744
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,560
say 100% of the rollback taxes will be

745
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
set aside for land conservation. Uh they

746
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,560
kind of define it fairly broadly. The

747
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200
statute gives the county pretty wide

748
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,840
discretion on how they interpret that.

749
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,600
>> land conservation?

750
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,320
>> Exactly. And so, it talks about

751
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,960
conservation easements, but it also

752
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,200
talks about similar methods for

753
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,840
protecting land and they just kind of

754
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,920
leave it open at that. And so, other

755
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,040
counties are interpreting that in

756
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,920
different ways, but that money gets set

757
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,400
aside at the county. It It hopefully

758
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,680
gets spent at the county, but there is a

759
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,360
mechanism that after 10 years any money

760
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,520
that is collected that is unspent would

761
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,520
then get directed to the LeRay

762
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240
McAllister fund to be spent anywhere in

763
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,280
the state. Um but as the program manager

764
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,160
for LeRay McAllister,

765
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,800
our desire is that we would never see a

766
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,600
dollar of that. We want to help empower

767
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,120
the counties to be able to spend that

768
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,640
locally on projects because we have a

769
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,480
source of matching funds that we would

770
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
love to be able to leverage with those

771
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,520
county rollback taxes for these types of

772
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,800
projects.

773
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Um so, we would very much like to to

774
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,080
help spend, you know, help the counties

775
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000
spend those dollars locally.

776
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,600
>> What's your funds availability that you

777
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,720
have typically in the LeRay McAllister

778
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,200
fund?

779
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,600
>> So, the fund's been around since the

780
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440
late '90s. We never had a permanent

781
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,680
appropriation until about 4 years ago

782
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,960
when we received a million dollars a

783
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680
year, and that's for the entire state,

784
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,840
which is

785
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,360
>> Not much.

786
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560
And then just last session we

787
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,480
actually took a 15% haircut. So, now

788
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,880
we're at $850,000

789
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,680
a year for our statewide, which again,

790
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,480
highlights the importance of figuring

791
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,240
out how to put these other matching

792
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,510
funding sources into play.

793
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,240
» You're the whole state

794
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,840
from the McAllister fund.

795
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,240
>> $850,000.

796
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
>> Cache County is somewhere between 700

797
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,920
and a million a year.

798
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,800
>> Correct.

799
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,080
>> Cache County.

800
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,040
>> Correct.

801
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,960
>> That represents about 5% of our tax

802
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,270
base.

803
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,960
I mean, are we

804
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,800
in the top five in the state in terms of

805
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,280
>> So, just to make sure I'm uh uh

806
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,720
interpreting that correctly, the the

807
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,680
LeRay McAllister fund is just an

808
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,480
appropriation from the general fund at

809
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,040
the state. It doesn't come

810
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,400
>> No, I'm not talking about that. I'm

811
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,560
talking about this rollback money.

812
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,400
>> Yes.

813
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,600
>> We must be near the top

814
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,320
>> Oh, I would think so. Yeah, I would

815
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,480
think so. We don't have a real clear

816
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,880
accounting statewide yet because this is

817
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,440
new and the counties have not don't have

818
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,240
a standardized way to account for and

819
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,840
report. So, we don't have a real clear

820
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,440
picture across the state, but I would I

821
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,080
would wager that that you guys are up

822
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,440
there in the

823
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,400
one of the top, you know, collecting

824
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,400
counties.

825
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Well, exactly, right.

826
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,880
>> And then total conservation, I would

827
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,320
say, too. in total conservation, I would

828
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,400
say too.

829
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,800
>> I mean, that's I mean, if you're getting

830
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,960
a million dollars a year,

831
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,240
capitalized that's that's another

832
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,320
that almost doubles that are open space

833
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,840
money.

834
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Because we put 20 million in.

835
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,200
>> That's right.

836
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,520
>> And

837
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,200
can we use it to [laughter] pay the open

838
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,920
space fund?

839
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,360
>> That would be a question for your county

840
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:06,840
attorney.

841
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,760
>> That sounds like a creative banker right

842
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,640
there. Uh Nolan, you had a comment.

843
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,000
>> Well, I'm just saying because this is

844
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,120
green belt, so that's farm ground taken

845
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:15,680
out.

846
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,280
>> Right.

847
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,000
>> Are some of the counties saying, "Okay,

848
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,440
we're going to focus that going back to

849
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,360
preserving farm ground or agriculture

850
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:22,480
land?"

851
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,880
>> Most of the counties are taking that

852
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,240
approach, you know, I mean, this was

853
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,360
really designed

854
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,200
>> in the same category.

855
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200
>> Exactly. I mean, this was designed at

856
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,840
the legislature to be kind of a closed

857
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,080
loop, you know, this opportunity comes

858
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,760
because, like you said, farm ground is

859
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,920
being developed, taken out of farming,

860
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,440
that creates this funding, which then

861
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,400
was intended to go back and be

862
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,440
um invested in farmland protection.

863
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Permanent, but not wanting to hamstring

864
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,320
the counties unnecessarily, the statute

865
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,360
does give some some

866
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
discretion. Um so, it it's not quite

867
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,680
that specific in the statute, but

868
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200
>> Um Jeremy, I'm going to rely on you for

869
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,520
the first three bullet points there.

870
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,000
>> Yeah.

871
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,919
>> As you've traveled and and

872
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:11,520
I don't know if there are similar

873
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,040
programs throughout the state. Have you

874
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,200
seen best practices

875
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,800
um regarding those?

876
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,200
>> So, in anticipating meeting with with

877
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,560
Cash and with my experience in in the CO

878
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,679
SAC program, I think Cash is probably

879
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,560
one of the more further along counties,

880
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,320
you know, you've passed the open space

881
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,040
bond, you have this whole process stood

882
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,120
up. You guys have putting these projects

883
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
together. And so, I think for you guys

884
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480
to integrate some of the

885
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,639
rollback tax spending into this existing

886
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,600
framework makes a lot of sense. And

887
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,159
that's kind of what I would anticipate

888
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,879
seeing. Um it doesn't make sense to me

889
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:52,200
to say, "Well, let's stand up a whole

890
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,159
duplicative process over here for

891
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,679
Greenbelt, and then we've got this for

892
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,840
Cossack." That being said, you know, the

893
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,520
county doesn't necessarily have to say

894
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,280
we have to spend all of our rollback tax

895
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,640
money on Cossack projects. I think the

896
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,840
county could take a broader look at what

897
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,560
types of projects they want to spend,

898
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,480
but they would say, "Hey, this is meant

899
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,040
to be kind of a closed loop, you know?"

900
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,160
And that gets to do we project and

901
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,440
capitalize how much we're going to

902
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,120
spend, and we say a portion of that

903
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,840
needs to go to agricultural projects,

904
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,760
and then a portion can be discretionary

905
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,040
for other types of projects.

906
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,720
>> But

907
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,880
my question is

908
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,400
this this money, and I'm talking about

909
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,240
Greenbelt

910
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:34,640
>> Yeah.

911
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,280
>> and then some of then Cossack,

912
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
could be focused on trying to keep

913
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,560
farmland productive,

914
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,520
but

915
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,880
we have land that we want to preserve

916
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,520
that

917
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,400
frankly is lousy farm ground.

918
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,040
>> Mhm.

919
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,920
>> And it it we can buy more vistas on

920
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,880
cheap land

921
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,200
>> Right.

922
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,120
>> than fancy land.

923
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:56,800
>> True.

924
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,280
>> The other thing I wonder is

925
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,280
does buying sellable land count as open

926
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,520
space?

927
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200
>> Not typically, but I guess

928
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,360
Well, because it's not I mean, it's it's

929
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,080
intended to be utilized in a way that

930
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,600
would probably preclude it long-term

931
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,840
from remaining as open space cuz at some

932
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,240
point it's going to get sold for

933
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,720
development or some other beneficial

934
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:24,280
use.

935
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,280
>> What I mean is instead of selling

936
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,200
sellable land to the developer, we come

937
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,480
in with Cossack funds and buy several

938
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:31,840
land.

939
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,040
>> Potentially, yeah.

940
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,680
Potentially.

941
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,400
>> Yeah, there's there's no One of the

942
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,000
problems with several is they're going

943
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000
to

944
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,560
want us to get in

945
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,840
by fee title, which wouldn't give us

946
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,360
much bang for our dollar.

947
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,000
>> And then saddles the county with all the

948
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,800
requirements of owning and stewarding

949
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,760
that land if you own it in fee versus

950
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,720
with an easement, the land stays in

951
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,600
private ownership, stays on the tax

952
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,440
rolls as as privately owned, but the the

953
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,120
county now has a

954
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:02,880
uh

955
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,080
use restriction interest that they've

956
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,360
purchased or paid for that they can

957
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,880
enforce

958
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,360
to really to make sure that it's used in

959
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,670
the way that it was intended to.

960
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,040
» One of the things about the green belt

961
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:18,920
is

962
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,360
when we put Cossack money on it, we

963
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,160
pretty much

964
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,360
preserve that land in green belt status

965
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,400
in terms of our property taxes.

966
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,000
>> Correct.

967
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,480
>> Long term.

968
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:32,600
>> Correct.

969
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Yeah, and so I mean I think for the

970
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,680
county it makes a lot of sense to look

971
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,280
at this not just as a conservation tool,

972
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,640
but also kind of a long-term land use

973
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,240
planning tool cuz like you said, it

974
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,000
stabilizes things and so you know, okay,

975
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,880
this area we're not going to have to

976
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,160
spend a whole bunch of money to put new

977
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680
utilities and new services out to

978
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,640
because that area is we know is going to

979
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,600
be maintained as agriculture. So, I

980
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,800
think it is useful as a

981
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,560
>> flip side of that, Mr. Executive, the

982
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,720
reason you're getting rollback taxes is

983
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,680
now that farm ground is giving you tax

984
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,720
revenue cuz it's out of that part. So,

985
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:09,200
>> There are

986
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,640
>> There's two sides to it.

987
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,440
>> Exactly. And that's where we're really

988
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,800
trying to look for those opportunity

989
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,040
zones of, you know,

990
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,000
areas that are not so far gone where

991
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,640
they're completely hemmed in by

992
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,160
development, but areas where if we go in

993
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,160
now and invest we can kind of change the pattern or or

994
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,080
>> Well, there's

995
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,120
the reality in our own valley now is

996
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,920
there is no virtually no land that is

997
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,480
for sale that is agricultural land.

998
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,000
>> Right, exactly.

999
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,120
>> It's not there anymore, so

1000
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,080
>> Well, mine is.

1001
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,560
>> What?

1002
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,600
>> Quiet.

1003
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,640
>> For sale at ag value?

1004
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:48,680
>> At ag value?

1005
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,080
>> value?

1006
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,040
>> But I'm only selling it to

1007
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,360
>> my kids.

1008
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,791
>> Limited buyer pool.

1009
00:38:53,791 --> 00:38:55,680
>> [laughter]

1010
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,040
>> So, today there isn't any land that you

1011
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,240
can buy for a dime.

1012
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:03,880
>> Every everything has speculative value now, everything.

1013
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,120
>> And that's where the easements um play

1014
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,400
another role in the long-term

1015
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,200
agricultural viability because once you

1016
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,320
extinguish the development pressure,

1017
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,960
you've taken away the main driver of

1018
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,160
value in the market. So, then those

1019
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,840
properties can then change hands at a

1020
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,720
later date at the ag value, and then

1021
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,040
you've got an opportunity for a young

1022
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,200
farmer who wants to start in the

1023
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,080
business, and they've actually got a

1024
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,000
piece of property that they could buy

1025
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,240
and pay off the note by farming, which

1026
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,440
is not the case with a single piece of

1027
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,680
real estate anywhere in the state at

1028
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,590
this point in time, so.

1029
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,800
» Um I have a question regarding the

1030
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,680
federal funding. Have we seen that it's

1031
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,440
becoming less available or what's the

1032
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,360
trend with the current administration?

1033
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,160
>> So, um we've kind of been through the

1034
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,120
ringer over the last year or two as you

1035
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,640
can imagine. Uh there's a lot of

1036
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,960
uncertainty. There's still a lot of

1037
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,400
uncertainty. Um but it seems kind of

1038
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,800
like if you can follow the shells

1039
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,920
around, you know, a lot of that money

1040
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,760
that was put into programs like the

1041
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,000
Inflation Reduction Act and things like

1042
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,760
that under the previous administration

1043
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,440
have been pulled back, but then have kind of promised into back into

1044
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,680
these conservation programs like the

1045
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,280
agricultural conservation easement

1046
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,080
program and the regional conservation

1047
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,520
partnership programs through NRCS. So,

1048
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,520
it seems like that money should still be

1049
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,080
available, but a lot of what has

1050
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,360
happened also is that they've pulled

1051
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,240
back the control over those funds from

1052
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:35,840
the state level staff and decision

1053
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,080
makers and back to the national level.

1054
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,320
And so, it's a little bit more of kind

1055
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,040
of a black box where we just don't have

1056
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,720
know what's going to be coming. And so,

1057
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,520
you know, like recently they did a an

1058
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,720
announcement for funding for the state

1059
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,880
and they actually had less applications

1060
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,760
than they kind of anticipated. So, they

1061
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,000
had to, you know, um release another pot

1062
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,440
of of money which they're considering

1063
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,480
now. So, it's just kind of been a little

1064
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,640
uncertain.

1065
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,720
>> Cuz we have two pending, if I remember

1066
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,200
and Chris, we have one with the USDA in

1067
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080
the north, right? That that was a

1068
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,680
matching funds. Yeah, the Harris and

1069
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,200
then we have in the south. That one is

1070
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,520
the NRCS.

1071
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,400
>> Elkhorn, that one received all of its

1072
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480
funding and they're working through due

1073
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,840
diligence now.

1074
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,400
>> Okay.

1075
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,480
>> You know, I

1076
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,320
in the schedule

1077
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,640
>> And Chris, I'm sorry. Can you stand to

1078
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,680
the microphone? I'm sorry. We're trying

1079
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,080
to just make sure that anybody that

1080
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,600
>> For for Elkhorn in the overall graphic of the from

1081
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,600
beginning to end, I want to say it's

1082
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
near the end, but I can't say how long

1083
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:39,880
that's going to be.

1084
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,680
>> Jinx anything.

1085
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,640
>> get held up on little technical things

1086
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:44,320
and then

1087
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:44,680
>> That's right.

1088
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,440
>> five different have to sign it. You

1089
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,800
know, when you when you bring in

1090
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,120
partners on project, then everybody gets

1091
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,840
a chance to review and approve. And

1092
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,240
everybody's going to want things a

1093
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,920
little bit different. And that includes

1094
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,240
the county, right? You're a partner. Um

1095
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,160
NRCS, the state, they all want to have

1096
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,360
their two cents worth on the project and

1097
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,720
will get to sign off on it. It just

1098
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,560
makes things take longer.

1099
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,160
>> But But they've been the main Federally,

1100
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,720
that's been the biggest hiccup.

1101
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,080
>> the slow down, right? Cuz I think

1102
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,000
there's some efficiency

1103
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,120
with all the others.

1104
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,560
>> Yeah, we've been trying to reduce red

1105
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,800
tape and

1106
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,680
>> I that that has been the the hiccup and

1107
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,680
the push the you know, next next next

1108
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:26,960
>> Yeah.

1109
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,280
>> deadlines go on and on. But it's

1110
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,960
interesting how they've not only just

1111
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,320
affected

1112
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,520
these kind of projects, but

1113
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,120
you know, there's participations in a

1114
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,880
whole bunch of other projects that have

1115
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,720
been promised and they've just

1116
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:41,880
pushed them out to where there's been a

1117
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,960
lot of other people lose

1118
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,000
opportunities to, you know, for to

1119
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,400
extend dollars within this state because

1120
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,400
of

1121
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,240
promised participation that just hasn't

1122
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:51,800
come.

1123
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:52,640
>> Yeah.

1124
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,800
>> So.

1125
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,880
addressing these questions cuz we

1126
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,320
don't have a lot of time that Chris has.

1127
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,080
Um, I'd love to open discussion to the

1128
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,760
COSEC committee to give some of your

1129
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,160
thoughts um

1130
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,880
about some of the smaller parcels. I

1131
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,600
would you've been receiving these

1132
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,080
applications and some of the merits of

1133
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,160
the the smaller parcels.

1134
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Um

1135
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,120
>> I have a comment.

1136
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,120
>> Yeah, Reagan.

1137
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,960
>> They won't fly unless the county gets in

1138
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,000
the game a long ways.

1139
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,400
Feds will never come in there and take

1140
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,920
20 acres in North Logan, Utah. And the

1141
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,560
value problem

1142
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,800
the family isn't willing to

1143
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,080
>> Will you turn on your microphone? Just

1144
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,040
Maybe? Yeah, perfect. Thanks.

1145
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,000
>> The the families, I think have to

1146
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,320
realize in order to get those some of

1147
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,160
those values of North Logan.

1148
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,480
>> Yeah.

1149
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,280
>> The family has got to step forward and

1150
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
the county. I don't think you'll see

1151
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:44,800
That's the only way you're going to get

1152
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,600
20 acres in North Logan.

1153
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:47,080
>> Yeah.

1154
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,000
>> You're not going to get it through NRCS.

1155
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,720
And and when you get NRCS involved,

1156
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,040
that's 50% of the funding.

1157
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,080
But it hasn't showed up.

1158
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,640
And it'll never I say it'll never show

1159
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,960
up in North Logan, Utah.

1160
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,240
>> And do you think that North Logan, I

1161
00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:03,120
mean, just as an example, North Logan

1162
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,040
would have any interest in in

1163
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,600
participating as a municipality as well?

1164
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,640
>> They they could. Yeah. If it's

1165
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,800
>> That's a maybe, yeah.

1166
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:11,520
>> Yeah, I mean I think

1167
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,780
>> I think if we're doing anything inside

1168
00:44:12,780 --> 00:44:13,680
[clears throat] a municipality,

1169
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,000
depending on what we do, that there

1170
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,200
ought to be some municipality

1171
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,000
focus on that and participation.

1172
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:19,920
>> Yeah.

1173
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,240
>> Depending on the parcel and where it

1174
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:22,280
fits in the city.

1175
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,520
>> Right.

1176
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,720
But alternatively, they could say that

1177
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,600
is not what we want. You know, we have

1178
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,400
plans for that area and so you could it

1179
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,480
could get pushed back.

1180
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,320
>> Mostly it's families who have had that

1181
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,840
property two or three generations,

1182
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,680
elderly people.

1183
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,720
Uh

1184
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,360
>> A legacy.

1185
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,720
>> If if they don't get it before they die,

1186
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:43,960
the kids will have it on the market the

1187
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,520
next day.

1188
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,320
>> Yeah, they want a legacy.

1189
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,320
>> Yeah.

1190
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,080
>> But if you ask all the residents, you

1191
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,960
know, in that area, of course they would

1192
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:52,520
love to

1193
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,160
>> They love looking at 20 acres of open

1194
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,600
>> They they do. They do. Now,

1195
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,120
um

1196
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,400
that's that's one kind of small parcel

1197
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
example. Another kind of example is

1198
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,160
similar to the one that we'll be talking

1199
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,640
about tonight, where it's it's only 5

1200
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,520
acres, right? It's really small, but it

1201
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,640
happens to abut uh county owned

1202
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,880
property. And um it's also part of um a

1203
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,080
trail corridor, um has a lot of uh other

1204
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,600
values, non-farmland values, for

1205
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,600
example. And so

1206
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,480
>> That was going to

1207
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,240
>> How do we make those work?

1208
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,600
>> But my input there

1209
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
is that there are I believe that there

1210
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,320
will be significantly important smaller

1211
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,320
parcels that will present to the council

1212
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,960
from time to time.

1213
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,481
That one in particular,

1214
00:45:44,481 --> 00:45:44,880
>> [snorts]

1215
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,080
>> um

1216
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,520
I scored a little bit higher because it

1217
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,360
does abut

1218
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,560
county owned land, and I know that it's

1219
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,240
a priority of uh the state, and Landis

1220
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:59,640
is all over this with the Bonneville

1221
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,040
Shoreline Trail.

1222
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,480
>> For continuation of the trail. Yeah.

1223
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,600
>> going to happen with small parcels that

1224
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,400
may not score in an overwhelmingly

1225
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,000
high way.

1226
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,400
Uh may not be involved with agriculture

1227
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,480
or wetlands. But it's a it's a very

1228
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,240
important connectivity piece.

1229
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,720
Uh and I hope that we can I I know

1230
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,480
there's part of our scoring process,

1231
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,440
too, where we can

1232
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,160
add extra points for those these types

1233
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,080
of reasons. So, we figure that out in

1234
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,160
our scoring.

1235
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,280
>> You have the verbiage of the bond?

1236
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,320
>> Yeah, it's on that first slide. Let me

1237
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:39,800
flip to it.

1238
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,560
>> Does it does mention trails?

1239
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,920
>> It does. Trails is one of the seven

1240
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,480
>> uses, right? I did I thought so. Yeah.

1241
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,320
>> Yeah.

1242
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,040
>> So,

1243
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,040
that was presented to the taxpayers when

1244
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,560
they voted for it. Okay.

1245
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:52,960
>> And that's this is my personal

1246
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,560
background, so that's why I'm

1247
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,080
>> This is not

1248
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,040
>> a quote, but it's pretty close.

1249
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,640
>> Purchasing land, conservation easements,

1250
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:00,960
and other interests in land from willing

1251
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,600
landowners in order to protect scenic

1252
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,280
vistas, preserve open lands near valley

1253
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,720
gateways, add trails and trail

1254
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,600
connectivity. Maintaining our cultural

1255
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,880
waterways and wildlife habitat.

1256
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,440
So, yeah.

1257
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,040
>> Yeah.

1258
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,440
>> That's all within the

1259
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,120
intent.

1260
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:13,880
>> Yeah.

1261
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,280
>> Of the bond.

1262
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,240
>> Yeah. We have some other prospective

1263
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,680
applicants that I've spoken with

1264
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,320
who own parcels where they just, you

1265
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,560
know, they're they love trails, and

1266
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,320
these trails may not have any connection

1267
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,520
to a master trail plan, but they would

1268
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:36,600
like to preserve this uh area and allow for trails to be

1269
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,640
built within that area.

1270
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:40,680
So,

1271
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:41,480
uh

1272
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,840
anyway, hopeful that you guys will

1273
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,320
continue to just kind of understand that

1274
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,750
smaller parcels may have big value.

1275
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,160
» I think

1276
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,080
if my opinion, and everyone can weigh

1277
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,600
in, I

1278
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,800
Granted, I think smaller parcels are

1279
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,080
going to have more developmental

1280
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,960
pressure, so that they will require

1281
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,200
larger dollar amount. So, if we're

1282
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,160
willing to work with the landowner for

1283
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,520
the donation piece, I I still can see

1284
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,080
value in smaller parcels. And, you know,

1285
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,760
it's it's a going to be case-by-case,

1286
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,960
but all of this has been case-by-case.

1287
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,800
So, I see that there can be value and it's not like we have oodles of

1288
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,360
applications coming in.

1289
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,360
>> And a municipality

1290
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,400
contribution.

1291
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,760
>> Yeah, that would

1292
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,880
>> Some of these could be a nice park in

1293
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,310
the city.

1294
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,880
» I was just going to say

1295
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,160
that some of the properties they get

1296
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,240
landlocked.

1297
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:42,600
>> Mhm.

1298
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,240
>> You have a piece of like 20 acres that's

1299
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,560
landlocked, well, now how do you get a

1300
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,040
piece of equipment in there to work that

1301
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,640
ground? And so, then that's the other

1302
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,760
consideration is once you

1303
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,360
have a island within a a sea of houses,

1304
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,000
how do I get large equipment in to

1305
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,480
operate that? And that's

1306
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,600
one of the things I get hit with a lot.

1307
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:00,640
It's like

1308
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,120
do you know somebody has a How How do I

1309
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,000
get this bailed? How do I get this cut?

1310
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Well, how do I bring a 30-ft

1311
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:06,720
>> Yeah.

1312
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,000
>> for 20 acres is really hard, too. So,

1313
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,280
you got to be careful of what It's not

1314
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,400
going to be ag anymore. It's going to be

1315
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,560
vistas and other things that you're

1316
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,880
going to be protecting on those small

1317
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,200
acreages because there's no return for

1318
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,400
the family we're sitting on that.

1319
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:21,480
>> Yeah.

1320
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,400
So.

1321
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,880
Those are challenges.

1322
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,840
>> Um

1323
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,640
I will say that um

1324
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,800
I think we'll have our third project for

1325
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,520
round two funding come in pretty soon.

1326
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,800
Jeremy let me know about that uh the

1327
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,280
Silva project, which is over the one

1328
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,520
over in Trenton, um received the NRCS

1329
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,720
funding.

1330
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,320
And so, Jeremy's working on the LeRay

1331
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,840
McAllister funding portion of it, but

1332
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,560
that'll be coming

1333
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,240
to us for a round two approval, I think,

1334
00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:03,990
in the near future.

1335
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,480
» I think this observation

1336
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,680
while

1337
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,760
I I'm not critical of the

1338
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,640
e-title purchases we made.

1339
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,200
Our dollars don't go very far when we do

1340
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:17,920
that.

1341
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,320
>> Yeah.

1342
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,440
>> And

1343
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,720
if if we can

1344
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:26,200
find larger tracts to buy development

1345
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,520
rights off those lands, we'll get a

1346
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
bigger bang out of our dollars.

1347
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,800
>> Mhm.

1348
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,680
>> I think that for a number of reasons the

1349
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,080
our Wellsville project makes a lot of

1350
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,920
sense because it's also a network into

1351
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,160
trails and things like that with

1352
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,240
virtually no added value up there. It's

1353
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:52,560
>> That's open space for vistas and

1354
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,400
>> Um

1355
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,960
>> Well, and and it was a huge protection

1356
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,680
zone

1357
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:57,240
>> Mhm.

1358
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:58,000
>> for watershed.

1359
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,880
>> Yeah, that

1360
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,720
>> That as well.

1361
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,080
>> And that partnership with Wellsville was

1362
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,520
That was huge.

1363
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,280
for them, too, cuz they wouldn't

1364
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,400
have been able to themselves.

1365
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,680
>> being critical, I look at the Shoop purchase

1366
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,440
and and a lot of money there. It is a

1367
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480
connection with the

1368
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,000
uh

1369
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,760
Burlington Trail.

1370
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,600
But

1371
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,600
um

1372
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,640
we we just spent a lot of money on that

1373
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,080
project to get ownership of it.

1374
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,640
>> And and there's and there's talks

1375
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,160
I know some government entities that

1376
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,200
want to come in and actually utilize a

1377
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,120
big chunk of that. We'll take a and then

1378
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,840
those returning dollars would come back

1379
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,800
into this

1380
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:43,280
project.

1381
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,280
>> kind of what I'm thinking is the

1382
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,040
conservation on it is but then sell it

1383
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,320
back and get the money back out.

1384
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,000
All all options for us, yes.

1385
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,520
>> Yeah, it it is.

1386
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,480
>> Yeah, I

1387
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,320
>> There's a There's some critical area

1388
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,480
down down below that I think was

1389
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,000
necessary,

1390
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,160
but as far as the rest of it, I think

1391
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,720
there's a There's some huge wildlife

1392
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,160
uh area up there which I know I've I've

1393
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,880
been contacted by the state

1394
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,440
about just somehow meshing in with their

1395
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,280
property.

1396
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,160
>> Yeah, those two are really good showcase

1397
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,040
pieces for what we can do,

1398
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,480
but

1399
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,080
timing meant we had to do in a certain

1400
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,920
way that may not have been the most

1401
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,840
financially appeasing way, but it got

1402
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,160
the job done.

1403
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,640
>> It It is something if we have a

1404
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,600
continual flow into our

1405
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,000
open space fund of a million dollars a

1406
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,040
year, that gives us

1407
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,720
I mean, I've I've looked at that 20

1408
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:43,720
million that

1409
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,720
that's not going to go very far, and

1410
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,160
we're going to be out, but if we have a

1411
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,760
million dollars a year flowing, and that

1412
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,880
actually should increase because

1413
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,920
of the development

1414
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,400
>> land values and

1415
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,280
>> So, that that's good news.

1416
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,520
>> Yeah, I'm I'm actually quite surprised

1417
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,440
how far it will go.

1418
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:04,960
>> Yeah.

1419
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,320
>> 20 million is is one of those with you

1420
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,240
with participation

1421
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,640
with the buy-ins and everybody,

1422
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,960
you can turn 20 million, you know, into

1423
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,680
60 70 million with participation and

1424
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,720
things that

1425
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:17,880
>> Yeah.

1426
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,000
>> Which that can have a dent. That's how

1427
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,280
I've I've I've looked at that. That's

1428
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,520
We need to look at That's the bigger

1429
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,120
picture.

1430
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,520
>> to be very judicious about when we put

1431
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,440
the money into a project if we're buying

1432
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,840
fee simple.

1433
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,520
Because we really don't want to have fee

1434
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,960
simple in the end.

1435
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,640
What we really want is is the land to be used productively,

1436
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,320
but keep it open in one way or the

1437
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:43,947
other.

1438
00:53:43,947 --> 00:53:45,200
>> [clears throat and cough]

1439
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,600
>> I know we've had that conversation,

1440
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,600
George. I'm I'm a big fan of if we can

1441
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,200
on those projects put an easement on

1442
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,120
them and turn around and sell them. Not necessarily both of them, but uh the

1443
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,000
shoot property in particular.

1444
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,440
>> I want to pitch something else to you,

1445
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,760
Chris. I really feel like

1446
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,240
we need to improve

1447
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,040
our trail systems in the valley.

1448
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,920
I go to other places to visit like Sun

1449
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:11,720
Valley.

1450
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:12,160
>> Yes.

1451
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,000
>> And one of the real attractions of going

1452
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,280
to Sun Valley is the trail network they

1453
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,120
have up there.

1454
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:17,640
>> Yes.

1455
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,000
>> It's just phenomenal.

1456
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,040
And

1457
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:21,640
uh

1458
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,120
their mountains are kind of puny

1459
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,960
compared to ours.

1460
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,520
We We have

1461
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,720
3/4 of this county is mountain land.

1462
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:30,240
>> Yeah.

1463
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,080
>> And a fair fair amount of it is private,

1464
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,920
too. And so, we ought to focus on some

1465
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,520
of those things

1466
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,240
and take a look at where we might get trails.

1467
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,680
And SITLA

1468
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,040
owns some parcels and has

1469
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,920
uh right-of-ways to those parcels that

1470
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,720
would help us with that connectivity in

1471
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,080
our mountain area. And we ought to

1472
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,080
maybe be strategic in talking to SITLA

1473
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,240
about

1474
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:02,440
And uh

1475
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,920
SITLA is

1476
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,280
should be receptive [clears throat]

1477
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,160
to an effort to sell us

1478
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,720
at

1479
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:10,920
lower

1480
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,960
prices that we can then use to tie into

1481
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,160
trail network that would really assist

1482
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,830
us in doing what we want to do.

1483
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,760
» You know, it was You can actually put

1484
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,720
You can put partial easements on any

1485
00:55:25,720 --> 00:55:26,920
sale.

1486
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,200
Even SITLA SITLA can come in say, "Okay,

1487
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,360
we'll we'll sell it, but you can only do

1488
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,880
this, this, and this with that

1489
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,720
property." Which is a partial easement,

1490
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,080
which does put limitations and then it

1491
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,560
again purchase price comes down, but

1492
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,760
you're still maintaining an open space.

1493
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,160
>> Am I reading this correctly?

1494
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,760
You could actually use this open space

1495
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,200
bond

1496
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,960
to buy a trail.

1497
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,600
Correct?

1498
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,760
>> To secure trail easements, but not to

1499
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,360
build the trail. We We still need

1500
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,350
partners for that, but yeah.

1501
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,280
Yep.

1502
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,680
And the easement, frankly, is

1503
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,960
sometimes the hardest thing to secure or

1504
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,600
is the component that doesn't come with

1505
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,480
any kind of funding. Like, they'll pay

1506
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,360
for you to build the trail, but they

1507
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,880
won't pay for you to acquire the

1508
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,440
easement, for example.

1509
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,520
>> But we can acquire the easements using

1510
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,320
this land.

1511
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:21,880
>> Correct.

1512
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,640
>> This money.

1513
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,120
>> Correct. Correct.

1514
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,920
>> And we have local trails nonprofits that

1515
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,280
are willing to help build the trail and

1516
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:30,960
raise funds to build that trail.

1517
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,840
>> And frankly, citizens that are willing

1518
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:32,960
to

1519
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,080
>> Absolutely. Absolutely.

1520
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,720
>> In terms of donating

1521
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:40,000
things that would be You would donate

1522
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,960
for a building, donate for a trail.

1523
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,000
>> Yeah.

1524
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,400
I I know that's possible. And when I was

1525
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,520
with Cache Trails Alliance,

1526
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,120
I was one of the founding members and

1527
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,200
ran that for 7 years.

1528
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,120
We raised about $50,000 in all that went

1529
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,480
towards lots of different trails

1530
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,880
projects.

1531
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,040
And

1532
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,560
uh

1533
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,120
etc.

1534
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,680
You know, the the Logan City Bike Park,

1535
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,440
the Bridger Bike Park is one example.

1536
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,400
It was an idea

1537
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,520
at a small level. The idea was presented

1538
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,240
to Logan City, who said, "Well, go see

1539
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,080
if you can raise some money."

1540
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,440
So, we raised some money.

1541
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,320
Then the county doubled what we raised

1542
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,880
and the Utah Outdoor Rec Department is

1543
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,400
always interested in funding new trails

1544
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,920
and trails connectivity. So, in the end

1545
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,960
it was about a $400,000

1546
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,560
um

1547
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,200
amount that we raised

1548
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,240
and

1549
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,720
we're able to multiply.

1550
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,120
>> Any parking lot is full on the weekend.

1551
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,720
>> Oh, yeah.

1552
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,800
>> At any trailhead.

1553
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,640
>> And some are

1554
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:51,400
>> Any trailhead.

1555
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,200
>> Some are beyond full.

1556
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:54,160
>> Yeah.

1557
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,480
>> Even with the new payment restrictions

1558
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,160
at some of the trailheads like Green

1559
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Canyon.

1560
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,790
Still very popular.

1561
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,800
» What other guidance in the time we have

1562
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,720
left would you feel is beneficial from the council?

1563
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,280
>> I I think

1564
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,480
yeah, any of these that you want to

1565
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,440
say this is what we'd like you to do or focus on and

1566
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,040
maybe we work it out over the next

1567
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,440
few months or something like that, but

1568
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,400
>> You know, I think reaching out if you're

1569
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,480
getting small parcels within cities, I

1570
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,040
think reaching out to those

1571
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,440
municipalities

1572
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,320
I think would be

1573
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,920
we know that they have funds too and it

1574
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,280
would be interesting to see what their

1575
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,840
response is, too.

1576
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,600
Because we can't be the sole provider of funds for those.

1577
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:46,800
>> Yeah.

1578
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,040
>> So, I think

1579
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,640
that would be useful to see to get their

1580
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,200
interest.

1581
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,920
>> Yeah.

1582
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,000
>> And well, not their interest say if you

1583
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,640
want this, this is something we want.

1584
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:57,240
Your feedback.

1585
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:58,840
>> Projects that maybe don't have a a

1586
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,040
county-wide

1587
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:00,800
>> Yeah.

1588
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:01,560
significance.

1589
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:02,600
>> Yeah.

1590
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:03,240
>> Okay.

1591
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:04,320
>> So, that's something I would say.

1592
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,000
Anything else that

1593
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,360
>> Well, I can't say that

1594
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,000
if the municipality isn't going to work

1595
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,760
with us, then it's not a it's not a good

1596
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,280
working relationship.

1597
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,880
>> if we're even going to want to entertain

1598
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,840
those. So, that might help answer some

1599
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,560
of those questions on small parcels.

1600
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:19,840
>> Right.

1601
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,680
>> We worked at the volunteer farm that's

1602
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,120
between River Heights and Robin.

1603
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,320
I doubt that it's 40 acres. Maybe it's

1604
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,760
45 acres or something like that. That's

1605
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,800
a small project, but

1606
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,480
uh that that's a very nice open space

1607
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,150
green area.

1608
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,800
» Absolutely beautiful.

1609
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,840
>> Mhm.

1610
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,080
And it's seen from a distance.

1611
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:46,480
>> Doesn't it go up to there?

1612
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:47,240
Not quite up there.

1613
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,960
>> There's some land behind it.

1614
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,080
>> What is it?

1615
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,280
Uh in the middle of

1616
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,600
>> Mhm. River Heights.

1617
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:01,110
>> Very nice greenery.

1618
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,000
» And that would have a high value into

1619
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,040
River Heights and Providence.

1620
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:05,480
>> Yeah.

1621
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,040
>> Mhm.

1622
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,200
>> But as far as expanded value to most

1623
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,760
people in the county,

1624
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,120
some of these other projects that you've

1625
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,440
been doing, everyone has been will

1626
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,710
benefit from a lot of those projects.

1627
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,270
» And I think the green belt

1628
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,520
I think that's something we probably

1629
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,880
need to talk to as far as a council and maybe write some ordinance to how we

1630
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,960
want to to use that. I don't know.

1631
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,800
>> To me, if it's coming if we're taking

1632
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,000
agricultural out, I like it going back

1633
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,000
to agricultural.

1634
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,000
Cuz that's out in the county more or

1635
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,880
less, it seems. There isn't much

1636
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,880
agricultural in too many municipalities,

1637
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,800
although there is some, but

1638
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,000
>> So, you're going to have a million

1639
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,600
dollars at your doorstep.

1640
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,760
>> I think No, I think the stuff that's

1641
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,200
coming in the most value is in the

1642
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,560
municipalities. Like, look at what's

1643
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,160
coming out of Nibley. That's selling for

1644
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,640
$100,000 an acre.

1645
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,360
I mean, that's going to be significant

1646
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,120
value.

1647
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,960
>> Yeah, but we just had two in our last

1648
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,360
council meeting that was the Vistas that

1649
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:09,560
um

1650
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,520
cuz now you're talking

1651
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,000
bang for buck.

1652
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,280
In the municipalities, it's higher

1653
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,000
priced because

1654
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,840
closer to development. But if you go to

1655
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,480
your Vistas,

1656
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,360
um out at Petersburg everything. You

1657
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,030
have more?

1658
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,160
» I mean, yeah, we can say that we would

1659
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,680
give preference to that, but if we're

1660
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,040
not getting applications for it, we

1661
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:32,960
would hate for it to go into the Lee

1662
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,680
into the McAllister fund. Lee Ray or Lee

1663
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:35,360
Roy?

1664
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,760
>> Lee Ray.

1665
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,150
Generational name.

1666
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,480
» Well, I think we'll put a time period on

1667
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,960
that, you know, 10 years. So, say by 6

1668
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,560
year nothing's happening, then start

1669
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,120
looking in sites. I don't know, there's

1670
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,680
a lot of ways to go.

1671
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,800
None of them are wrong if we're getting

1672
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,440
some ground for open space.

1673
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,840
>> Let's let's

1674
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,280
we'll put that on O&P.

1675
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,600
>> Yeah, I think O&P should be next.

1676
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,160
>> start we'll start vetting some ideas and use each of them.

1677
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:00,400
>> So

1678
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,720
>> And start throwing them out and

1679
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:02,680
>> Is it okay to say that

1680
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,400
>> Our agenda's getting really small, isn't

1681
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:05,280
it?

1682
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,120
And O&P?

1683
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:06,800
>> What?

1684
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:07,480
Line item

1685
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,040
>> So, maybe that would be the first step

1686
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,440
is maybe reach out to the cities and and

1687
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,560
gauge their interest for and and then

1688
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,400
that would help with

1689
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,520
>> some of those projects

1690
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
>> of those projects and small parcels.

1691
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,040
And

1692
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,080
>> Sure. Yeah, unless unless they come to

1693
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,000
our program with other funding secured,

1694
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,800
which then I'd say we maybe look at it

1695
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,320
differently, but

1696
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,160
um

1697
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,960
Yeah, we can certainly do that. I think

1698
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,360
we're going to see projects that

1699
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,760
you're likely to see projects that are

1700
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,040
only going to be county funded. You

1701
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,640
know, it might be the right land owner

1702
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,600
who says, you know, I'm not in this for

1703
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,080
the cash,

1704
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,840
um so I'm willing to give a bigger

1705
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,320
donation, but I I don't want to do it for nothing. I do

1706
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,080
want some something or I need something

1707
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,680
and and uh so there could be 100% county

1708
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,000
only funded projects, small or

1709
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,360
otherwise. Because again, they're not

1710
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,680
going to attract other funding, for

1711
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,440
example, or even some of the ones that

1712
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,080
we've looked at that we're interested

1713
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,120
in.

1714
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,200
What if they don't get the other funding

1715
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,720
that we're hoping for? Do we step in

1716
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,080
with Greenbelt rollback tax or something

1717
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,840
like that to make up the difference? And

1718
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,240
now all of a sudden we are funding you

1719
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,240
know, the lion's share of a project. I I

1720
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,040
think those scenarios are coming.

1721
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:30,640
>> Yeah.

1722
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,240
>> Uh if we don't already have them. And so

1723
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,240
you've got to be prepared for that. I I

1724
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,480
think is is what I'm saying. And then uh

1725
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,080
if there's uh a bigger role that you

1726
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,360
want to pay play in the process as a

1727
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,080
potential easement holder, you know, so

1728
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,680
in those circumstances where we're doing

1729
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,280
most of the funding, right? And the

1730
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,760
landowner is donating who rest who's

1731
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,520
going to hold the easement? Right?

1732
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,120
>> Right.

1733
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,680
>> So we might be able to partner with

1734
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,120
somebody even with without financial

1735
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,560
support who will hold the easement.

1736
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,680
Possibly. So uh

1737
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,680
>> And maybe that's more education that I think we would need as a group to

1738
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:13,480
>> Yeah.

1739
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,560
>> understand all of that.

1740
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,760
>> If if my takeaway just from our

1741
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,920
conversation can be, you know, there could be a unique project that

1742
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,720
doesn't fit the mold like we're seeing

1743
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,854
on most of them that we bring to you.

1744
01:04:25,854 --> 01:04:26,520
[clears throat]

1745
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,960
And we're just going to have to provide

1746
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,040
a detailed overview. Here here's the

1747
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,920
project. Here's the funding. Here's the

1748
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,520
opportunity.

1749
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,520
Um

1750
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,480
>> Here's why it's unique.

1751
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,080
>> Yeah.

1752
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,280
>> Could you if it's in a municipality,

1753
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,880
could you add another scoring table to

1754
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,840
that such as municipality participation,

1755
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,480
what's going on in there? I mean

1756
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,360
for example, if one says a park, that's

1757
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,600
a little bit different that's there, but

1758
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,360
it's still open space.

1759
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,840
But if it's going to be a park, which to

1760
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,880
me benefits the municipality, then there

1761
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,760
ought to be a scoring side from

1762
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:02,360
>> Yeah.

1763
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,320
>> the municipality as to what their

1764
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
engagement is like, okay, we'll supply

1765
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,320
utilities or something or what they'll

1766
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:10,840
come into. It doesn't have to be so much

1767
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,880
cash, but improvement to that part.

1768
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,160
>> The the city um you know, the the law

1769
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,600
allows for local governments to hold

1770
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,120
easements, too. So, the city could

1771
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,120
choose to hold the easement.

1772
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,120
>> Right.

1773
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,160
>> Uh and receive the funding as a as also

1774
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,200
an option. So, there there are many

1775
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,520
different ways to

1776
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,000
um

1777
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,040
secure open space, I think. And even in

1778
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,680
cities, a park could be a passive park,

1779
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,360
right? Like a nature park with just

1780
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,280
trails and habitat.

1781
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,400
>> Yeah, I think

1782
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,000
I draw Nibley a lot. Sorry, it's

1783
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:43,400
>> Yeah.

1784
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,040
>> I'm Nibley. Uh that park in Nibley, the

1785
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,360
we call it Firefly Park.

1786
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:48,720
>> Yeah.

1787
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,080
>> You see people on it all day, every day,

1788
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:53,520
and we only have I've run it a few

1789
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,920
times. I think it's a mile of boardwalk

1790
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,000
that's available, but it is constant

1791
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,360
use.

1792
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,840
And that's that passive park. Don't have

1793
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,320
>> projects like that. I you know, we're seeing these great, nice, large

1794
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,400
farm ground type projects. And but I

1795
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:10,720
think we'll see more other type

1796
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,400
projects, too, going forward. So,

1797
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,400
um we're just trying to think ahead um

1798
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,800
and anticipate the different scenarios

1799
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,720
that could be that aren't don't fit the

1800
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,760
template that we've seen so far.

1801
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:23,080
>> Yeah.

1802
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,560
>> And trying to get to your

1803
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,200
>> I think you're saying that we're willing

1804
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:27,560
to entertain those.

1805
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,080
>> Yeah.

1806
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:29,040
>> I

1807
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:29,760
Let's hear it.

1808
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,320
>> Good. And I think your idea of let's

1809
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,400
circle back on the green belt, you know,

1810
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,720
however whatever format you want to

1811
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,480
pursue that in, just let me know, and I

1812
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,600
think we can bring in others um to to

1813
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,520
facilitate that conversation.

1814
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:45,920
>> Right. Great.

1815
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,520
>> I have a question for you.

1816
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:47,880
>> Yes, ma'am.

1817
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,440
>> Would you define the easements? What do

1818
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,080
you mean by that? Are they

1819
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:52,520
things

1820
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,120
>> easement?

1821
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:53,960
>> Uh-huh.

1822
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,000
>> So, a conservation easement um

1823
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,160
there's probably other people in the

1824
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:04,040
room that can explain it better than I can, but uh basically, you're

1825
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,400
entering uh uh, an arrangement with a

1826
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,480
landowner to purchase their development

1827
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:10,840
rights.

1828
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,800
And in exchange for us purchasing those

1829
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,640
rights from them, they are required to

1830
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:18,520
put a conservation easement on the

1831
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,280
property, which restricts the

1832
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,600
development of that property.

1833
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,840
So, we're buying those

1834
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,840
>> That's the only thing that's restricted

1835
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,040
or what about other restrictions?

1836
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,160
>> We can define that.

1837
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:31,720
But

1838
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,000
>> But you don't have a general definition

1839
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,240
for easement when you talk about it, cuz

1840
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,120
sounds like you talk about it on nearly

1841
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,720
every parcel.

1842
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,480
>> Yeah, that's what this program is. It's

1843
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,040
a purchase of development rights

1844
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,360
program. And um

1845
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,280
>> But that was my question if it's more

1846
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,600
than just development.

1847
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,320
>> It can be more than just development,

1848
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,120
but that's typically what you're

1849
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,960
purchasing is you're taking the rights

1850
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,080
uh, you're extinguishing the rights to

1851
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,760
develop that property into a subdivision

1852
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,880
or whatever. It's going to stay farmland

1853
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,000
or wildlife habitat, whatever the case

1854
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,760
may be in perpetuity.

1855
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,320
And uh, you get to decide

1856
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,440
the specifics.

1857
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:12,960
>> And

1858
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:13,880
>> You and the landowner.

1859
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,640
>> Yes, with participation. Some landowners

1860
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,240
we've spoken with

1861
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,960
really don't want certain uses to happen

1862
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,279
with their

1863
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:27,319
easement. And so, they can uh, make a lot of those

1864
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,240
declarations and then the county would

1865
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,319
decide

1866
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:31,640
>> Yeah.

1867
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,560
>> um, if you liked it.

1868
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,120
>> Does the landowner still retain

1869
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,040
ownership of the land just forfeiting

1870
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:37,960
some of their rights?

1871
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:38,359
>> Yeah.

1872
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,200
>> But I've heard even the

1873
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,799
perpetuity bar part is kind of

1874
01:08:43,799 --> 01:08:46,759
dangerous, too, because so, you know,

1875
01:08:46,759 --> 01:08:48,960
mother nature

1876
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,799
alters

1877
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:51,520
land.

1878
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,200
>> Sure.

1879
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,560
>> You know, with rivers and different

1880
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:56,040
things like that. So, I don't know if I

1881
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,000
was a landowner, I'd

1882
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,200
I don't know if I'd like that.

1883
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,640
>> It's not It's not for everybody, right?

1884
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,080
It's really

1885
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:04,799
um it it's

1886
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,359
>> So, does it have to be in perpetuity?

1887
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:08,799
>> It does. It does.

1888
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,550
>> That's what I thought.

1889
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,960
» Okay, well, we're going to recess. Um

1890
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:15,640
thank you very much for coming. Thank

1891
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,279
you to our state partners and nonprofit

1892
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:20,160
partners for being here and for being

1893
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,040
resources for us and and and uh we

1894
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,600
appreciate all that you do on COSAAC and

1895
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,000
the work that you do in the many

1896
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,680
meetings that you have. So, uh as a

1897
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:31,600
council, we're going to recess until our

1898
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:36,880
meeting starts at at 5:00. So, we stand

1899
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,319
>> Thank you.