1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,340 O'Connor, who are we missing? We have providence. We have mail mail. River Heights, anyone from River Heights? He's not. I'm taking his spot as well. He and I are together. Great. So, I don't know. 2 00:00:18,460 --> 00:00:23,400 Approved with the minutes for I believe it's our last meeting, was July 27. 3 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,880 Everybody get a chance to look at those. Just incentals out. 4 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,260 Any questions, additions, relations? 5 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Could I get a motion to approve the match for July 20th, 6 00:00:42,220 --> 00:00:43,200 out for you? 7 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:43,860 Second? 8 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:45,740 All favor? 9 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:46,720 All right. 10 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:47,780 Thank you. 11 00:00:48,700 --> 00:00:49,540 Just a minute. 12 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:50,600 I don't know. 13 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:52,080 Yeah, just a minute. 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:52,760 That's OK. 15 00:00:52,860 --> 00:00:53,320 Represents. 16 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:54,740 I don't know. 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:55,320 OK. 18 00:00:55,900 --> 00:00:56,180 We get it. 19 00:00:56,380 --> 00:00:56,940 We get it. 20 00:00:58,580 --> 00:01:08,580 If you're with you without executive dains, let's just talk a little bit about where we are, 21 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:16,680 where we're going, Justin, Mayor Miller, but actually you could fill us on in on some of the 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,320 things that we've been talking about in our subcommittee. The direction we're going there. 23 00:01:26,740 --> 00:01:27,300 Let's 24 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:32,700 Can I start with maybe real quick or just the whole minutes and the agenda and approaching on the public? 25 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:35,360 No, this website where you guys can get all this information. 26 00:01:36,180 --> 00:01:39,080 I thought when we set that up that we had our own little spot. 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,780 Apparently, we are tied to the cash-fire districts page. 28 00:01:43,180 --> 00:01:45,400 So when you go to that link, I send to everybody. 29 00:01:45,820 --> 00:01:49,300 You're going to see cash-fire district and south stuff. 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,520 North hasn't got their stuff together yet. 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,260 I talked to Janine a little bit about it and like we're probably just going to leave it that way 32 00:01:56,260 --> 00:01:57,960 until we get the board functioning, 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,640 it kind of get further down the road here. 34 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:01,560 So hopefully that doesn't make it more difficult, 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,620 but you go to public most website, 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,700 you find the fireboard and then you go 37 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:07,440 that they're for each meeting, 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,340 there will be a South Cache fire in the MS agenda, 39 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,700 last few minutes, and then any attachments that were, 40 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:14,880 yeah. 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,280 I just noticed when I went out and looked this last time, 42 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,140 you know, you look in the ministry, the minutes, 43 00:02:21,220 --> 00:02:23,740 and it says, you know, this list is attached, 44 00:02:23,740 --> 00:02:31,580 or this is attached and there's nothing attached and there's nothing tied to that link 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,780 that would be that attachment either. 46 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:37,680 I will check. 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:38,280 I don't know. 48 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:41,640 There was a different place that you put some documents or what. 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:43,760 I'll get a town. 50 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,480 I got to make all that happen. 51 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,940 So I'll make sure he's up to speed on all that. 52 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:50,720 to get a mic up there. 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,080 Mayors, I apologize for the story. 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,300 Just before I see exact names, I think, pulling in. 55 00:03:02,340 --> 00:03:08,180 Before exact names, we just talked a little bit about the subcommittee. 56 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:09,440 Where were we at? 57 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:10,700 The direction we're going. 58 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:13,420 How do we figure about that direction that we're going? 59 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,380 There's a good man right there. 60 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:24,380 So, while we come up here towards it, well, come on up there, come on up there from the center, give a sit right there. 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:26,800 And we'll get sticks. 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,740 Well, executive Daines, Chris, ready? 63 00:03:31,340 --> 00:03:37,080 Let's just kind of bring us group up to speed on what we've been doing in our subcommittee. 64 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:41,300 How we feel about where we're at, the direction we're going in there? 65 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:48,160 I have a question, because I know that the fired district has to be reasonably organized by a point. 66 00:03:48,860 --> 00:03:53,160 Does that affect the leadership of the steering committee at all, or does the steering committee stay in the same way? 67 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,420 I think we'll as executive names get us through this. 68 00:03:58,580 --> 00:04:01,380 We'll let executive names address that. 69 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,660 Do you want me to do it now? 70 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:04,480 I don't want you to do it now. 71 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:11,120 The bylaws from the beginning were screwed up. 72 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:17,120 The county council has to appoint the members of the fire board. 73 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:25,020 And they did some of that, but they then assumed that a person who was elected to a mayor 74 00:04:25,020 --> 00:04:29,160 or opposition succeeded to that about their re-appointment. 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:38,220 But you can see the problem with Mayor Miller became a member of the Fire Board because he 76 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:39,980 would elect Mayor of Hyder. 77 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,200 And that's not how it's supposed to be. 78 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:46,460 And that's true of Mayor Rudy as well. 79 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:51,320 There was also a problem with Lindsey Peterson's deployment. 80 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:57,520 It wasn't done by the County Council, I think it was done by the Fire Board. 81 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:03,340 And so we looked at that and just said, it's screwed up. 82 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:08,420 The best way to clean it up is to just re-appoint everyone. 83 00:05:10,180 --> 00:05:18,820 But the state statute says, for fire boards, you have to advertise for 30 days for appointments. 84 00:05:18,820 --> 00:05:21,760 So we're going through that process. 85 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:30,980 My understanding subject to further legal advice is that I'm the one that makes the 86 00:05:30,980 --> 00:05:35,780 appointments subject to the advice and consent of the county council. 87 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:44,800 My intention is to appoint to the fireboard, the same people that are now on the fireboard, 88 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:52,300 include with that the additional mayors and so forth and then the fireboard, once it's 89 00:05:52,300 --> 00:06:00,280 convened, we'll pass a new set of by-law, the set-up of the eleventh districts, and 90 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:06,360 they would just happen to be conformed to people at points to a higher award. So 91 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,170 that's what's happening. It's a procedural thing, but it is causing us 92 00:06:11,170 --> 00:06:17,670 difficulty because we have like a September date where we have to decide what the 93 00:06:17,670 --> 00:06:24,350 levy is going to be. So I need to get that fireboard in a place in order to make 94 00:06:24,350 --> 00:06:32,170 those dates. So my end, I think the time period for people to apply is August 23rd. 95 00:06:34,770 --> 00:06:38,650 And I have a County Council meeting on the 25th. 96 00:06:38,650 --> 00:06:49,390 So my intent is close and make the appointments on the 25th can be in the fireboard that week and then have them take control of deciding what 97 00:06:49,390 --> 00:07:00,090 Laby we could just continue the existing Laby not by the county, but just convert that into the fireboard Laby, but that's something for the fireboard to decide. 98 00:07:00,890 --> 00:07:06,810 So I think the question was also what about the steering committee, or we now will legal? 99 00:07:06,810 --> 00:07:10,290 No, no, no, we're just hearing communities advisory anyway. 100 00:07:11,330 --> 00:07:17,890 So, and frankly, we've met in the fireboard acknowledging we can't do anything, but no, we, we've 101 00:07:17,890 --> 00:07:20,450 elected to just proceed as fat as we can. 102 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:28,550 The steering committee has no legal status anyway, but we're just, and I think we're giving 103 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:29,970 public notice of these meetings. 104 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:59,160 Yes, sir. Now, I kind of feel bad that the impression of people is that I can apply for the fireboard, maybe get out. I can't, I mean, they're free to apply, but I'm going to choose, that's my intention. I'm not bound to do that, or I could choose some of the people, but there's another element of the fireboard that people may not understand, and that is if you're employed. 105 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:06,700 by the fireboard, or if you're under contract with the fireboard. 106 00:08:07,260 --> 00:08:11,820 So if you were employed by a city that has a contract with the fireboard, 107 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:14,340 you're prohibited from being on the fireboard. 108 00:08:15,180 --> 00:08:20,480 So essentially that rules out anybody that knows anything about fire, 109 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,340 you know the fireboard, which isn't a good idea. 110 00:08:24,340 --> 00:08:33,260 But so I've got some appointments from people who are good people, would be good to serve. 111 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:40,920 But if there are a volunteer firemen in Paradise, I can't put them on the board. 112 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:41,880 Is that right, Chief? 113 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:54,320 Yes. 114 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,620 So, they should not be allowed to serve on that capacity. 115 00:08:57,900 --> 00:09:00,340 I think that attracts both through the bylaws and in fact, you see. 116 00:09:00,980 --> 00:09:01,220 What? 117 00:09:01,820 --> 00:09:06,820 I mean, that wouldn't keep us from putting someone on the board 118 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:09,860 who is a retired fire chief and no longer employed. 119 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,320 But Chief Hammer is a volunteer fireman in Louis, isn't he? 120 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:18,220 All right, yeah. 121 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:19,320 OK. 122 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,100 I thought he was for his EMS stuff, so if he's health insurance. 123 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:30,220 Anyway, I'm not, I'm, my intention is to just put the same people back on the board. 124 00:09:32,460 --> 00:09:33,640 That makes sense. 125 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,820 I have some things to update you from from the North. 126 00:09:39,860 --> 00:09:43,640 What other things do I have to update you on? 127 00:09:46,420 --> 00:09:50,100 I think that's the critical things that I've been involved in. 128 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:52,020 I've met with the North last night. 129 00:09:52,020 --> 00:09:53,620 We had a good meeting with the North. 130 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:01,360 I think, right, just have to be honest with you, I think, some of the images is weighing 131 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:10,740 what the benefit and difficulties of the association with the fire district is. 132 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:18,920 And one of their big concerns is that the North, one where another is going to take money from the 133 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:27,080 north to find the south. They seem to be focused on that. That pair to say, Chief, and we 134 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:33,440 assured them in three different languages, that wasn't going to happen, but they still 135 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,980 seem to be concerned about it. 136 00:10:35,180 --> 00:10:37,520 And they believe that because there's more people on the part of me. 137 00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:39,920 And they believe that because there's more people on the north side of the north. 138 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:46,000 No, no, they believe that somehow they're going to end up paying for the EMS function on 139 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,200 of the sound. 140 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:55,240 They asked me, you have an EMS chief in here, are you going to be paying the 141 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,160 athletes at the home, and then they said, well, what about the chief that the chief is 142 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:00,740 the portion? 143 00:11:01,180 --> 00:11:06,080 We're going to get a, you know, you get an arm and we get two legs and an arm and we'll 144 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:13,080 run for range of compensation accordingly, and we talk down the uniforms as to who be paying 145 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,980 for the uniform for the paramedics in the sound. 146 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:23,380 So, but it's very hard to persuade a person against their will. 147 00:11:29,530 --> 00:11:37,510 Mayor Jankens, talk, speak to this group a little bit about your freedom with our subcommittee, the direction we're going. 148 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:42,310 We're making progress, we're spending our wheels. 149 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:54,370 Yeah, so I think the subcommittee, steering the sub-staring committee of the South steering committee is making great progress thanks to efforts by the judges. 150 00:11:55,610 --> 00:12:11,550 I think that we're understanding what assets there are, we're understanding what the cost will be for operation down to the detail of 151 00:12:11,550 --> 00:12:19,390 of South Paramedic Squad and the cost associated with that, which would be worn completely 152 00:12:19,390 --> 00:12:20,230 by the South. 153 00:12:20,410 --> 00:12:31,210 We can, with proper documentation help try to let the North understand that two stations 154 00:12:31,210 --> 00:12:40,250 that are kind of like zones within, the South EMS covered area. 155 00:12:40,250 --> 00:12:49,470 one is higher on Paradise. One is Nibli Millville. A third category there is 156 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:56,950 Wellsville, Menden. And then I know there are other stations involved there too. 157 00:12:57,250 --> 00:13:03,170 But Paradise, I don't see any anyway, but I think we understand the cost, the operating cost. 158 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:09,450 I understand what it's going to take to move forward with that. A lot of that was in our last subcommittee meeting 159 00:13:09,450 --> 00:13:17,710 And maybe we're going to cover some of those details in this south meeting, I don't know, but you'll see those details today. 160 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:24,310 I think we're trying to understand what this thing works like to get the MS code. 161 00:13:24,810 --> 00:13:27,370 And then fire fits right in with that same discussion. 162 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:30,790 Positive, mayor or negative. 163 00:13:31,130 --> 00:13:31,450 Which direction? 164 00:13:31,450 --> 00:13:34,890 Oh, I get it just said it seems like we're going in the right direction. 165 00:13:36,670 --> 00:13:37,710 And let's edit that. 166 00:13:39,390 --> 00:13:41,130 With lots of questions. 167 00:13:42,050 --> 00:13:43,510 A few other questions then before. 168 00:13:45,770 --> 00:13:52,230 Chief George, give us, give this group your thoughts on our subcommittee, where we're 169 00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:53,090 at it. 170 00:13:54,330 --> 00:13:54,630 Yes, it is. 171 00:13:57,530 --> 00:14:02,430 I'm positive on the direction that we're going because of what it will do to keep us working 172 00:14:02,430 --> 00:14:03,010 together. 173 00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:16,890 And so I think there's been a lot of great work that's been done there, a lot of compromise on everybody's heart to try to develop a system that will not only serve us today, but potentially serve for, you know, 15-20 years in the future. 174 00:14:34,860 --> 00:14:36,500 I defer to my radio. 175 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:41,060 I think we're headed in the right direction. 176 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:52,060 There's always, in recent questions, and I think we've got to work a few questions out, but I like the direction that we're going to, I think that makes a lot of sense. 177 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:59,960 I'm not sure what impact, if any, if Smith will pull out of the district, what would that have on the end? 178 00:15:00,210 --> 00:15:05,510 I'm going to ask you a little bit more about what we're going to do to our steering committee or the board. 179 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:12,670 I've just got to have some insight. You know, it's hard to read the situation there. 180 00:15:13,070 --> 00:15:22,630 Mayor Rudy is quiet, but his fire chief is not. 181 00:15:25,150 --> 00:15:32,310 And I pushed back one of the things that really bothered me that I didn't feel like it was 182 00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:40,910 appropriate for me to push back is the bar chief of their attack chief George. He attacked 183 00:15:40,910 --> 00:15:49,890 him because he hadn't been to his fire station. And I just, I mean, I don't keep George 184 00:15:49,890 --> 00:15:58,250 working as hard as he can. He's got, you know, 9-18 different cities and, and, for whatever 185 00:15:58,250 --> 00:16:05,550 reason he had been there, but, but Smithfield, Chief thought that was something he could 186 00:16:05,550 --> 00:16:11,390 really embarrass, Chief George, that he hadn't been to his fire station. So he had a bunch 187 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:18,150 of time talking about that. I had to control my temper. I had to interact with him a few minutes 188 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:23,850 later, and I got angry at him over this repeated statement that the North is being robbed 189 00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:24,870 by the South. 190 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:33,130 And I felt like I should have said, hey, if Chief George wasn't there, did you invite me? 191 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:35,810 When he became the Chief, did you welcome him? 192 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:37,770 Did you ask him to come to your station? 193 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:39,130 Did you make an effort? 194 00:16:39,570 --> 00:16:44,010 Why are you complaining about the fact that he'd been the Clarks, didn't he not to your place? 195 00:16:44,550 --> 00:16:51,690 You know, I just thought it was a nasty thing to do in front of 20 other people, and 196 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:56,810 she'd Georgia, I apologize, maybe I should have had it when it was going. 197 00:16:57,030 --> 00:17:01,630 It was just that half of the people there were the Smithfield Fire Department, and I just 198 00:17:01,630 --> 00:17:08,450 didn't think it was conducive to getting to the end of that way, but I thought it would 199 00:17:08,450 --> 00:17:14,790 very unfair, very unprofessional, and it's a kind of thing that destroys the unity we need 200 00:17:14,790 --> 00:17:15,450 to go forward. 201 00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:23,990 So, so that said, what would be the impact, if it's Smithfield pulled out of this street? 202 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:30,230 Well, you can see a fire, we've talked about having a one fire district on the north and 203 00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:33,810 one on the south, okay, that could happen. 204 00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:41,430 You take all the north cities out of the fire district and we're left with the fire district and just the south. 205 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:42,890 Does that mean we'll money for us? 206 00:17:43,790 --> 00:17:48,170 No, no, no, but we don't have to deal with them. 207 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:58,990 Well, the problem is that if Smithfield pulls out what happened to Clark and Lilithton and Richman and Amalgam, 208 00:17:58,990 --> 00:18:03,650 and Peter's Burl, and they'll not incorporate areas up there. 209 00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:07,230 I think that 210 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,140 the group up there, 211 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:15,630 it's going to hold Smithfield in, 212 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:20,780 notwithstanding that she thinks, 213 00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:25,380 I think, Mayor Peterson and High Park, 214 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:27,260 North Logan and High Park, 215 00:18:27,660 --> 00:18:32,640 sees the value of having an alternative to just Smithfield 216 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:39,020 because Ms. Bill, the grassy behavior toward cheap tort, whether they know it or not, 217 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:44,340 the people there were noting that is that how they're going to treat us when the fire district 218 00:18:44,340 --> 00:18:54,660 isn't here, because they would be, and Mayor Miller, you aren't doing that here. 219 00:19:01,940 --> 00:19:02,620 You're not 220 00:19:02,620 --> 00:19:05,700 work, I think Smithfield will stick. 221 00:19:08,140 --> 00:19:09,140 Well, I think that's good. 222 00:19:09,380 --> 00:19:12,000 But I think I like the focus of the South End. 223 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,640 I think we're going in the right direction. 224 00:19:14,660 --> 00:19:18,580 I think, you know, like you said, I think there's some numbers that have been once we get down in the weeds. 225 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:21,160 We're going to have to work out, but I think we can. 226 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:27,720 So, no, I think every at this point, I think that last reading we had, I think, 227 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:31,320 brought us up to where we could see the idea. 228 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:36,400 And I think we're kind of within reach of it. 229 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:45,980 Most things are well done if you leave them open and you just have the faith to walk down 230 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:49,800 the road a little further and see how things actually play out. 231 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:55,380 But I did pick up some information. 232 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:07,250 I want to convey to you, Mayor Jacobs, and one of the raging things they were, where 233 00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:13,530 that in the South were spending too much money on EMS and so forth. 234 00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:19,430 I don't know that you want to listen too much to them, but I think it's the interesting 235 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:27,290 for you and Justin to go up and really pin down what they recommend we change in the South. 236 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:35,250 Because I think they think we're spending too much money on EMS and I don't have the 237 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:39,390 where with all the reading figure that out was why they think that. 238 00:20:40,010 --> 00:20:46,110 But I think particular to you or you're trying to figure out how to structure your situation 239 00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:50,410 with the problem, mill bill, nibbling situation. 240 00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:54,950 Appreciate your taking a look at what we're trying to do there too. 241 00:20:55,250 --> 00:21:01,590 I think we've meant to visit and look at ways we could work together between the three cities. 242 00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:04,390 the three cities makes sense toward together. 243 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:05,210 For sure. 244 00:21:05,470 --> 00:21:07,650 Yeah, I think the three of you ought to go 245 00:21:07,650 --> 00:21:10,970 sit down with Smithfield just as the fact 246 00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:13,810 thing is saying, what would you suggest we do 247 00:21:13,810 --> 00:21:15,690 and see what they have to say? 248 00:21:16,030 --> 00:21:17,190 Who wins with those? 249 00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:18,650 Get them a good chief. 250 00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:21,690 Go ahead, the one that thinks he's got a better way 251 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:22,350 to do things. 252 00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:26,310 It wasn't appropriate in the meeting to try 253 00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:28,170 take a part what he was proposing. 254 00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:30,270 But I think you ought to go. 255 00:21:30,270 --> 00:21:32,130 Just to be said if I'm happy to go. 256 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:38,570 You know, when people oppose you, the best thing to do is listen carefully and try and understand 257 00:21:38,570 --> 00:21:46,930 rather than oppose, just push back is to try and understand what they're saying and see if there's some merit to what he's proposing. 258 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:48,430 And I would. 259 00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:53,230 I would suggest we, when we go to that meeting, we're armed with the detail of the financial. 260 00:21:54,490 --> 00:21:54,550 Yeah. 261 00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:57,590 Financial details are covered in black. 262 00:21:57,590 --> 00:22:04,710 I think what you're doing is actually building a better quality service than what Smithfield's going to recommend to you. 263 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:09,850 You can do on the chief, but I think that's it's worth listening to them to see that. 264 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:18,830 But you probably will have to bear a bunch of insults to get the data out of them because he's 265 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:28,220 just from my perspective. 266 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:39,400 I have to take, I see in the committee in the subcommittee moving in a very positive direction, but 267 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:47,080 I believe it's moving in a positive direction because adults sit down and honestly act like adults. Does 268 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,700 that mean that we don't have feelings here, and that we don't have feelings here? Are they 269 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:56,160 strong feelings, and sometimes those feelings have to be suppressed. 270 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,600 And I commend the subcommittee. 271 00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:07,420 You have done that very well, and there have been heated times, but I commend never 272 00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:16,100 I commend Hiram, very honestly, for a lack of a better word, I think there's been a considerable 273 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:27,140 amount of pride, swallow in both directions from very good man and individuals that are trying 274 00:23:27,140 --> 00:23:28,120 to work this through. 275 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:35,340 I also agree that numbers, everything else, that's an evolving process that we're going 276 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:40,080 to have to continue to look at, continue to make those things work for us. 277 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:48,940 I have been very impressed with the direction that the subcommittee is going, hopefully, hopefully. 278 00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:53,200 And I've just made some notes here good, good. 279 00:23:54,420 --> 00:24:06,540 That when the Board of Trustees meet, that we can be at that meeting and honestly show a united front in support of the direction that we're going. 280 00:24:06,540 --> 00:24:14,860 I believe that that is extremely important for us to get whatever this ends up across the 281 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:18,480 business. So I salute those guys. 282 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,660 We cannot measure the amount of work that 283 00:24:27,660 --> 00:24:36,420 a higher emcity is done for EMS and that nibbley is doing and there's no way in the world. 284 00:24:36,940 --> 00:24:42,280 I don't know what executive Daines gets paid for the county. 285 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:51,960 But it is chicken feed compared to the amount of time and energy that his office has put into this program. 286 00:24:52,860 --> 00:25:02,820 It can be consumed, but we need to now, I believe, decide the direction we're going, take 287 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:08,680 those steps as an executive torch, as said, have the courage to step down that road to 288 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,340 the unknown and solve the unknown when we get there. 289 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,940 So why applaud you? 290 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:20,760 I think we are moving in the right direction and just to comment, I've heard from the very 291 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,780 beginning that the North, they don't have the problems that the South does. 292 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,040 I'm not just sure that's correct this morning. 293 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,440 I think they're different from probably just trying to avoid. 294 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,700 Yeah, thank you, Justin. 295 00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:42,680 Just for a few minutes, George, if you would, could you kind of bring us up today on numbers 296 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,200 where we're at, we're looking at for the whole committee to look at? 297 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,820 You know, this spreadsheet 298 00:25:55,950 --> 00:25:57,250 in here somewhere. 299 00:26:01,630 --> 00:26:03,250 It's not the right one. 300 00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:14,170 Here we go. 301 00:26:14,530 --> 00:26:15,330 There you go. 302 00:26:15,670 --> 00:26:20,510 You know, the way the subcommittee is working, 303 00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:23,510 let me kind of explain it. 304 00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:30,570 We would keep the paramedic teams at the district level. 305 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:41,230 And then we would have basically three divisions, and they're what Larry explained, is 306 00:26:41,230 --> 00:26:42,870 carbon paradise, 307 00:26:44,910 --> 00:26:51,630 manned in Wellsville, and Millville, Nibli, and maybe in some way, 308 00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:53,050 Providence sooner or later. 309 00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:54,310 Good like our name on it. 310 00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:55,170 Give me a coffee. 311 00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:57,250 We just like our name on it. 312 00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:58,590 Show me the money. 313 00:26:58,590 --> 00:27:01,210 If you don't get coffee, my money's gone in just like yours. 314 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:03,710 It's really cool. 315 00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:09,510 Yeah, this kind of explained what we're working through. 316 00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:17,690 And so some of the details here involve how much money do we need at the district level to run the paramount. 317 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:22,550 That is what the backs up these municipal units. 318 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:24,930 So that's kind of where we focus. 319 00:27:26,890 --> 00:27:30,230 I'm just wondering if we want to make coffee for you. 320 00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:32,110 I don't know about that piece. 321 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:35,930 I think we passed this out before, didn't we? 322 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:37,690 Well, did you just have a sense? 323 00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:39,850 I hope the subcommittee did this up to me. 324 00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:41,990 All right, let's go ahead and get a call. 325 00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:42,690 I'll make that. 326 00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:49,910 But this is kind of a system we're talking about, 327 00:27:50,290 --> 00:27:52,990 and in the concept of, okay, 328 00:27:52,990 --> 00:28:22,030 What is cost or done at the district level and what cost or done by each city with the idea, the D3 municipal teams, and I guess that's what we could call municipal teams, would bear some cost, and the thought would be a cost that the municipalities would bear, and that they would get revenue from that to offset those operations. 329 00:28:22,030 --> 00:28:42,110 So, when we apportion what we need at the district among the paramedics and some portion of not just sound district, but overall district advances, do we have enough money to do that and we're close? 330 00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:48,670 If we look through the apportionment, we're close to having enough money at the district level 331 00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:57,770 with the division of funds that we've talked about to do that in order to run the municipal 332 00:28:57,770 --> 00:29:04,590 teams, nibbly have to come up with additional funding, and that's probably the most 333 00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:05,970 taking point. 334 00:29:06,390 --> 00:29:10,290 Hirem is in a position to offer to assist 335 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,630 Nibli in providing that service. 336 00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:17,030 And so that's a financial negotiation between Nibli 337 00:29:17,030 --> 00:29:20,890 and Hirem that is ongoing, correct Larry. 338 00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:24,670 Yes, perhaps, Melville as well. 339 00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:27,610 And Melville and something, Proverbs. 340 00:29:28,530 --> 00:29:32,430 So when, as a part of that, we're taking a look 341 00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:39,310 our station that's in the north part of Hiram, what do we call that station? 342 00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:46,150 One thing is to call it the one-hit accounting station, if there's a point, it would 343 00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:52,610 become the Millville Middle East station temporarily until we somehow figure out how to 344 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:56,710 locate a station that would approximate the province of Millville in New York. 345 00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:59,890 And we talked in general terms. 346 00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:12,320 How we would make that transition. And Hiram has told us that they could, they would have a use in their system for that station. 347 00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:21,920 And that has some elements that makes sense to everyone when we look at how units are distributed in the valley. 348 00:30:23,620 --> 00:30:30,140 Where we call it a county station, the land actually was given to the county by higher. 349 00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:31,700 I think it no cost. 350 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,920 So it isn't like, it isn't. 351 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,120 Higher does have some rights given that. 352 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,540 But what we really like is a new station out in the Nibli Providence Millville area. 353 00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:50,260 So we're looking at how all of that would fit together. 354 00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:54,540 that's the issue that we're really focused on. 355 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,860 Chief, you did the apportionments after our meeting. 356 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,120 I didn't bring what you sent me and I don't know 357 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:09,780 if you circulated that to the Senate jump and did you, I didn't. 358 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,100 I don't know that that's insurculated, maybe, 359 00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:23,170 but. 360 00:31:23,710 --> 00:31:28,050 What was your, when you did the apportionment, 361 00:31:28,050 --> 00:31:32,490 how much money would need to run the district from the south, 362 00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:35,650 which would be $0.50 on and then the EMA. 363 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:36,350 I 364 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:39,600 don't want my back door. 365 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,400 This one, he's selling one's deck? 366 00:31:41,980 --> 00:31:42,060 Yeah. 367 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,680 So I want my back door. 368 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760 He wants no other seat, right now he's selling it. 369 00:31:48,020 --> 00:31:48,500 No more money. 370 00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:51,400 Sorry, I just said to find that one. 371 00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:55,540 So the administrative costs based on the kind of the 372 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:57,440 foreign EMS law that we're looking at right now, 373 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:06,440 So the South costs $570,000,000, $27,000, the North is $120,000, $514,000. 374 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,700 100,000. 375 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:11,260 121,514 is kind of that breakdown. 376 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,480 And that's for services that would be provided. 377 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,860 It may be available to the North. 378 00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:21,920 That's where equitable for those services. 379 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,360 What does the North want to start? 380 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:32,640 And once I have a good email list to this group, which I can pull off of the just and 381 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,820 sends out, I can share this with everybody. 382 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:46,840 So, the 1201 to the door, I have a 25, 517, 427, so 517, 517, 517, 517, and then in the south, 383 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,880 you have roughly the same amount, and then additional sums of the DMF, what did you pick 384 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,080 to the EMS at the district level. 385 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,620 Yeah, now I'm sorry. 386 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:09,020 So the regional paramedic squad was 1973, 1969, 387 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:20,040 that's for both times staffing, 2473, 65 with hard timers to backfill behind them. 388 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,560 It goes all the way through the entire office. 389 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:32,140 Now, just so you kind of got that, if you take those two numbers, 973 and 121, you're 390 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:40,120 about a million one, which would be our contribution to the district as a whole and running 391 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,380 the paramedic squad in the south. 392 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:51,160 The portion of the 3.9 that we get, not including providence and not including river height, 393 00:33:51,160 --> 00:34:04,060 There's about a million two left, so that would cover that paramedic squat with a little room to spare. 394 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:15,220 Then if you take the municipality picking up their squads out of their municipal funds, then we're reading pretty close. 395 00:34:15,220 --> 00:34:33,560 And the real question is, is how efficiently can millville nibbley, whether it is better to build something yourself, or some hybrid with hire, or just hire hiring to do it? 396 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,100 I think that's the issue that nibbley millville. 397 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,280 We have to work out. 398 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,080 Yeah. 399 00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:42,880 I understand the premise a lot better than you. 400 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,680 But the point is, is we, we can make that work. 401 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,580 Where, if you don't want to do this detail, 402 00:34:52,940 --> 00:34:55,320 less than in the subcommittee, we talked about this. 403 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,400 I wasn't, I didn't realize I'd understand everything. 404 00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:03,040 Where will the, the South Cache, 405 00:35:03,140 --> 00:35:05,480 Paramedics Squad house? 406 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,960 Do they have a, do they have a base on the, 407 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,320 so the thought as we built the South was to continue to use, 408 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:25,520 But the station that they're currently in, and then over time, as the system evolves, and other resources become available, then work together to decide, okay, is that still the best location that we're in, or it doesn't need to be somewhere else. 409 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,360 We'll have call data that we'll start to show. 410 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:33,540 There's greater need for paramedics in this specific area, and so it makes sense to start to shift. 411 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,280 Where are they currently in? 412 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,400 Yes. 413 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,820 We have currently during that station at Save Station. 414 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,800 There must be a lot of people out there who have been there for quite a month. 415 00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:45,020 So, if I were in there with 50 for a paramedic any MSG? 416 00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:53,480 So, to be clear, nibli milville need to also cover the NTs quad. 417 00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,120 We're on the hook for it. 418 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,280 We'll talk to you guys about how we get that done. 419 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,320 We'll try to, you know, make the right decision, potentially parable problems being that discussion. 420 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,740 You do have a score, and I think you're just talking about that. 421 00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:07,520 Thank you. 422 00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:07,980 You know that. 423 00:36:09,260 --> 00:36:11,000 You're the first place in Australia. 424 00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:12,380 Yeah. 425 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,700 I'm referring to what I thought would be, you know, 426 00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:18,100 about $377,000 that we need. 427 00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:20,100 Yes. 428 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,920 I wouldn't be part of that. 429 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,140 So just to clear that the paramedics squad, 430 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,760 even if it's covering EMS in the south, 431 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,320 Newly City and all of us have further obligations at the municipal level. 432 00:36:36,580 --> 00:36:38,600 If you want a parametric service, yes. 433 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,660 But we've got to do, everybody, that's what they're going to do. 434 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,200 And then you have to take a look. 435 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,480 One of the things, if we have enough money to run the paramedics squad 436 00:36:53,560 --> 00:37:03,020 from the district funds, then when revenue comes in from the call, that can be distributed 437 00:37:03,020 --> 00:37:20,440 to the cities to offset their expenses. So that number that you're looking at is 438 00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:22,890 the 439 00:37:22,890 --> 00:37:29,730 I mean, I see the operational providers and workers were tied in the interim obviously. 440 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:44,280 He has a fire chief, we have an MS coordinator, an MS providers, those MS, from the MS perspective were more of the first responder rather than the term medic, we don't have a full term medic team. 441 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:56,500 From this graphic, does that imply that we would then fall under highroom instead? So we would fall under the highroom chief, we would no longer have a chief. 442 00:37:56,500 --> 00:38:00,100 You know, how does that group be? 443 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:05,220 Is there a means that higher than covering you for amends? 444 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:06,720 It's okay. 445 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,040 It's okay. 446 00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:14,760 And that was the whole, about paramedic, wise. 447 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:15,340 Yes. 448 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,700 This is the advantage of the county we've come to hire. 449 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:19,260 That's the advantage of this whole thing. 450 00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:24,380 Each department maintains its identity, their charge of the service they want, the 451 00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:25,500 level of service they want. 452 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:34,680 But that was just a piece of the two of us, and there was only one fire chief, and one, but that's per area, so. 453 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:43,500 Okay, same thing, when Menden and Wellsville, they would continue their structures in their cities just the way it is. 454 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:58,510 And so, funding that we have currently gotten from the county, we would get from the fire district, or we would get from the fire district. 455 00:38:58,510 --> 00:38:59,110 The difference. 456 00:38:59,690 --> 00:39:01,310 Fire just went through a voucher. 457 00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:02,730 Yeah. 458 00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:05,650 It's the fire board. 459 00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:06,270 Yes. 460 00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:12,430 And I'll bear in mind that money that we're talking about using to fund the paramedic 461 00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:14,510 is coming from those vouchers. 462 00:39:18,350 --> 00:39:27,210 So the idea of getting new money, you're getting use of the money now by the pound. 463 00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:34,210 You still be getting use of the money if it's the paramedics squad, but with the new levee, 464 00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:35,750 you still want to be able to take it. 465 00:39:35,950 --> 00:39:39,530 They stand to get more of the new levee on the accord for the unincorporate. 466 00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:46,090 Yeah, and frankly, you get more and then a year from now, you get quite a bit more, 467 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:51,170 because we're going to have more parties and stuff. 468 00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:52,430 Yeah, right. 469 00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:54,670 Yeah, well, why don't I have more emergencies. 470 00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:58,510 It's more of a, well, that's a, more of a, 471 00:39:58,510 --> 00:40:03,070 is a quality tax that you've mentioned goes into play 472 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:05,490 for the anti-corporated area, which is, 473 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:06,490 is that a slam dunk? 474 00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:09,070 No, nothing to slam, I think it's a slam dunk. 475 00:40:09,070 --> 00:40:11,930 I like a slam dunk, I feel an assumption at this point. 476 00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:19,490 But, you know, I think I've got the council moving toward 477 00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:23,970 that if the cities do what Chad just described 478 00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:47,690 go over there and to unify passion and say, we're ready to go. We think we can do it. Turn it over to us. Give us the rains. I think it will happen. But if we have a situation like in the north where they're talking about how are they going to get out of the district and it will upset the apple car. 479 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:52,210 So, I think, from our physicians, it's not much of a change, I mean, we're already pretty 480 00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:53,090 implied with iron. 481 00:40:53,330 --> 00:40:53,550 Right. 482 00:40:53,790 --> 00:40:54,230 Already. 483 00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:59,970 So, that sounds like it's kind of pretty much business as a rule. 484 00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:00,730 Yeah. 485 00:41:00,730 --> 00:41:05,770 And that's the other point, we don't want to, we don't want to be a lot more of a change, anything. 486 00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:11,550 We want this to keep moving forward, and even in the better way, because this gives 487 00:41:11,550 --> 00:41:12,770 you a pair of medics. 488 00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:16,330 They're freezing from an ambulance, so they can go wherever I need to immediately. 489 00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:21,330 Okay, thank you. 490 00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:22,970 Yeah, if nothing else is whole exercise, 491 00:41:23,350 --> 00:41:29,750 it's helped me understand where to expect and be responsible in our town and hopefully other 492 00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:33,250 work to expect and be responsible for services. 493 00:41:33,610 --> 00:41:35,370 Who do we get from? 494 00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:37,750 What do we get from this entity? 495 00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:42,050 Where are responsible for covering those costs? 496 00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:44,150 That detail itself. 497 00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:51,830 But at the same time, I'm trying to take county department and convert it to the fire district. 498 00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:58,990 What we talk about, having more money, that's clearly true in the norm. 499 00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:05,810 In the south, we have really been funded to some extent by the taxes on Logan in the norm. 500 00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:11,390 So we are going to bear more financial burden in the south and we're stretching trying to cover 501 00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:13,070 just what we're doing. 502 00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:19,650 I don't think you should regard the county as a political 503 00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:26,550 entity, not being supportive of the fire district. I went to the HR 504 00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:31,230 person at the county and kind of got a commitment that for a thousand or two 505 00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:35,770 she'll take care of our HR need, which we will have some if we have the 506 00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:42,670 when we talked to our finance guy, he said for a thousand or two, he'll handle the financial. 507 00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:47,970 So that we don't have to build a new superstructures to do that. 508 00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:53,890 And the state ordinances that set up fire districts specifically, 509 00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:58,770 say that counties can provide that assistance to the fire district, 510 00:42:58,890 --> 00:43:04,610 along as there is some consideration given for those cars. 511 00:43:04,610 --> 00:43:12,850 So I think we still can use some of the county platform to offset some administrative costs. 512 00:43:13,070 --> 00:43:20,630 I mean we had to go get an HR director at the fire district level or a finance person. 513 00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:24,570 So I think the county's bills support you. 514 00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:33,910 I also think Larry that the county would be supportive of trying to help both three cities get a fire station. 515 00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:45,070 And I just don't count on it, but access to some funding and bonding and things like that 516 00:43:45,070 --> 00:43:53,070 might be where it not money is logistical support to help you get a fire station. 517 00:43:54,050 --> 00:43:58,850 I can see it in the right place where Melville, Nibli, and maybe problems. 518 00:43:59,570 --> 00:44:06,730 And so I see that as a, you know, we need to be working on that and we ready to have an understanding of that two years from now. 519 00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:12,410 So that when Providence is ready to get out from underneath Logan or he wants to stay in the world. 520 00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:16,450 But if you want to do that's the time, you know, that's an evolving situation. 521 00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:18,030 We have to cover. 522 00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:20,550 We have to cover now. 523 00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:21,890 And then we have to look for it. 524 00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:22,410 That's happening. 525 00:44:22,410 --> 00:44:31,130 As frankly, you've got a city that's willing to continue to provide you contract services to tied to well-versal. 526 00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:37,430 I think Nimble is going to be fine. You're going to be a little poor, but I think you're going to be fine. 527 00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:41,630 Yeah. I'm already starting to talk and do an architect in the bank. 528 00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:46,570 I mean, we'll well under our way to understand what we need to do. 529 00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:48,790 Another saying, it's okay to be poor. 530 00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:52,030 You can use to it. 531 00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:57,650 You know, we talk a lot about, we talk a lot about money and dollars. 532 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,820 In station 150, what's our response time to the north end of Millville or Providence? Honestly, down 533 00:45:10,380 --> 00:45:18,140 the state road 65, with that straight shot, that has to be about the same time as coming out of 534 00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:24,100 and navigating all the traffic, we'll work all that out before we build the station. 535 00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:31,720 It seems to me like we are far high-of-washes, you know, good enough, we've been mapping 536 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,560 on how that affects us, so I think for us, we can, the three cities with us, I think 537 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:42,440 we can start turn for Nibli and maybe Nibli and Nibli and Nibli and Nibli and Nibli and Nibli 538 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,980 EMS we're going to have to use station 150 and whether that's on a contract through 539 00:45:47,980 --> 00:45:51,200 higher on that's using station 150 or whether 540 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,340 nibbling and maybe nibbling milvil is leasing from the fire district because 541 00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:02,340 it's a fire district on asset. I mean that we don't expect anything for free and 542 00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:08,120 I will say that to help the north understand that but what we get that's anything 543 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:14,240 or Nibli Mivel gets is not because we're those two towns, 544 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,440 is because that's the... 545 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,000 Yeah, I was paying for it. 546 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,420 I wouldn't spend a lot of time calculating a lease payment on $10.150. 547 00:46:23,940 --> 00:46:24,920 I just wouldn't. 548 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,560 Our equipment is at different locations in the valley. 549 00:46:29,340 --> 00:46:38,100 And we're not charging a lease rate on our pump or truck that sits out in the 550 00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:40,380 I'm just trying to make sure it's just things. 551 00:46:40,700 --> 00:46:43,760 Trock, we're not grinding that fine, Larry. 552 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,980 So I think the idea that an additional cost to you 553 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:52,320 is ordered to hire new things, station 150. 554 00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:55,740 I don't think I have a lot of time. 555 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,400 Something nominal, right? 556 00:46:59,620 --> 00:47:01,680 Acknowledging that you don't own the station 557 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,220 is an appropriate thing. 558 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,640 But the idea that we're going to send in the praise 559 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:10,560 out there and figure out how much ran we're going to go to Kansas City. 560 00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:12,000 Well, I think they'll be better. 561 00:47:12,500 --> 00:47:17,880 I think they'd probably be better funding to like the federal government likes to give money 562 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,180 for to help rural communities. 563 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,940 Well, that's the long term that we build in the United States and further north. 564 00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:34,900 County has a really strong vested interest in the fire district because we have no way. 565 00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:42,380 no way possible to protect the unincorporated areas without the cooperation of the city 566 00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:48,380 fire department. We cannot, there's no feasible way to do that. So you're going to find 567 00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:56,560 we always have an incentive to help the fire district and regard that as a favorite child. 568 00:47:58,260 --> 00:48:03,260 And also to coordinate the municipalities within the district, we all live in the county, 569 00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:06,580 I think the leadership of the idea that it is important. 570 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,660 Who here is defined by their city boundaries? 571 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,240 If you've got kids, they're not living in the same town. 572 00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:17,620 Your brother is living in a different... 573 00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:21,560 The idea that you don't care what happens in the ably because I live in high room. 574 00:48:21,860 --> 00:48:22,700 That's just a joke. 575 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,480 Nobody operates that way in this valley. 576 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,420 Well, it's filled with fire chiefs that are well in our last set of me. 577 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,760 What makes you stronger makes us stronger? 578 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:34,400 Yeah. 579 00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:41,320 And I think in this whole thing, we talk a lot about EMAS and there's a lot of attention there 580 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,480 as there should be. 581 00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:47,180 Well, let's keep going back for minds in forward. 582 00:48:48,180 --> 00:48:51,260 The fire has to be taken care of also. 583 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:59,600 But we can't just ignore that, we let's not lose side of the other end of this. 584 00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:01,820 But I think we're coming to the conclusion. 585 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,900 You've got to tell me if I'm wrong, that fire and EMS belong together. 586 00:49:06,380 --> 00:49:11,160 We have personnel that are across the drain as EMTs, as firefighters. 587 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,160 They have to have a home base. 588 00:49:16,500 --> 00:49:22,520 I mean, that's one of the beauties for Nivelli is, for this whole thing is, we're talking about 589 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:28,100 fire and EMS at the same time now, instead of what we do with the county for EMS, what we do with 590 00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:29,340 the firearm for fire. 591 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,480 It's inefficient, the split we've had in the south. 592 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:36,040 It's not been a good idea. 593 00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,240 It was an necessary evil at the time that Simpsons went away. 594 00:49:39,940 --> 00:49:41,780 But now it's time to get back together. 595 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,780 Executive Dames, what can this group do to support you moving forward and now it's like us to do that? 596 00:49:54,550 --> 00:50:03,810 We've got to look at the fire history door on probably the next meeting after the August 25 meeting. 597 00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:11,730 The next meeting of the County Council for meeting in September is probably where we need to go and say, 598 00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:15,810 We're ready, turn over the fun, give us control. 599 00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:18,810 And I don't think they'll do it in the first meeting 600 00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:21,950 in September, but I think they ought to have that 601 00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:23,950 proposal in front of them. 602 00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:30,710 And then the second meeting in September, first meeting 603 00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:31,450 on October. 604 00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:35,310 So that's both day through reading past, guys. 605 00:50:36,350 --> 00:50:41,010 Justin, would you make sure that this group gets those 606 00:50:41,010 --> 00:50:44,090 that may be a reminder moving forward on those days. 607 00:50:44,490 --> 00:50:47,090 Mr. Soda, we don't sort of get in this list. 608 00:50:48,510 --> 00:50:51,250 I think we're going to have to call a meeting 609 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:55,510 of the north and south together and walk through 610 00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:57,950 how to approach the situation. 611 00:51:00,030 --> 00:51:02,050 I've got a approach when we Smithfield, will you have 612 00:51:02,050 --> 00:51:05,330 in your share that we can re-use in the south? 613 00:51:05,490 --> 00:51:07,110 I don't think we'll be the correct approach. 614 00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:08,970 No, I don't think so. 615 00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:09,050 I don't think so. 616 00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:14,210 It would be a good idea, would be the issue of order. 617 00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:18,630 We've decided that you need to deliver that. 618 00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:19,750 Now to Clark. 619 00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:21,750 And we need that delivery tomorrow. 620 00:51:26,070 --> 00:51:30,150 Anything else, gentlemen, ladies, that you would like to discuss, 621 00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:33,550 at least come before this committee today? 622 00:51:36,060 --> 00:51:39,860 I just have a follow-up question from Tumi who's a girl. 623 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,320 You're indicated that the county council was not. 624 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,860 That's what we were ready to take on and keep thought that has changed. 625 00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:51,300 Well, we're not ready for it. 626 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,760 We're not completely ready, but if we take these taps in September and October, 627 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,040 I think we will be ready by January 1. 628 00:52:00,380 --> 00:52:05,040 You could be between now and then all the fireboard have to do it. 629 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,040 Continue to run the status quo. 630 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:14,020 We just go from the county running the status quo and having the fireboard run the status quo. 631 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:22,040 Yeah, I think in that sense we're ready to do that and it gives us another three months before. 632 00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:25,460 But it also allows us to start making the transition. 633 00:52:27,060 --> 00:52:29,960 So, I don't think we're... 634 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:40,860 Ready to put this system in place on October 1, but we don't have to. We have to have this system probably in place by our January 1, 635 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,720 which means we have to make decisions starting out. 636 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,640 Yeah, we have, we have, we have the same thing. 637 00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:52,840 For example, the decision we're going to have 638 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:59,080 to make in September is our current county 639 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,720 levy, the good, the fire fund is around 344 mills. 640 00:53:06,220 --> 00:53:08,900 And do we continue that at 344 mills? 641 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,360 Or do we move it up to 400 mills? 642 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:14,520 Or do we move it down to 300 mills? 643 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,380 That decision will be upon us in two or three weeks. 644 00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:29,560 Yeah, I think I can wait till I can wait till that day to talk about it. 645 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,220 I mean, it's not going to cover it, right? 646 00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:35,320 So one of the nice things about it is not enough. 647 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,880 It's not enough. It's not enough. 648 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:36,940 It's not enough. 649 00:53:38,420 --> 00:53:40,540 And the cities have to make up the difference. 650 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,640 So it's Peter and Paul. 651 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:49,660 We have two sources of funding, we can kind of adjust between the two. 652 00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:56,640 Well, and keep in mind some of us that he's had a pretty small revenue to adjust for that. 653 00:53:57,220 --> 00:54:05,060 So to just simply say you can pick up the tab is a questionable thing to some degree. 654 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,560 I mean, yes to a degree, I agree with that statement. 655 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,740 But yeah, it's not as indie for us to perhaps come up with a bunch of extra revenues. 656 00:54:15,980 --> 00:54:21,320 Maybe it would be for higher or more even, and maybe some of these with a much greater population. 657 00:54:22,660 --> 00:54:25,600 So it's not based on populations based on text about it. 658 00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:30,040 So it's all around it's different in a town with less taxable value. 659 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:31,760 Yeah, and right. 660 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,560 But we go ahead and let me just say something to you. 661 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:42,900 realize that in your fire district, two-thirds of the users are county users, right, on the 662 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:48,840 Ellen Corporate and county, so I'm in the same foxhole with you, okay, don't have any 663 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:55,240 revenue at all from. You don't have any revenue at all from, and we know we're going to have 664 00:54:55,240 --> 00:55:02,680 a bunch of revenue coming in in the late 2007. We have high hopes of that. I don't know. 665 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:08,540 That will be decided at the same time that we decide the fire level. 666 00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:15,900 And if I can actually do it correctly, I'd like that to actually happen before we have to set the level of our district. 667 00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:20,840 But don't ever think I'm not in the same foxhole with you. 668 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,480 Two-thirds of the people that you're concerned about are my responsibility. 669 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:33,580 But let me ask this, I'll say, I want to add one more thing. 670 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:39,980 Not only are two-thirds of my responsibility, I've got an entity that's got enough reserve 671 00:55:40,620 --> 00:55:44,460 that it could anticipate that revenue at the end of 2007. 672 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:52,920 I've got something you don't have, and that is, I've got the capacity to forward advance 673 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,940 if I need to, to make sure that the paradise area is covered. 674 00:55:57,660 --> 00:55:58,660 We appreciate that. 675 00:55:58,660 --> 00:56:01,120 And the disposition to do it is necessary. 676 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:05,040 Which is more, I'm liking that already. 677 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:13,100 Well, I think the little cities here are the ones that are really at grip. 678 00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:16,620 Yes, midfield and higher, we're going to power through this without any problem, 679 00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:22,360 but the cities like Nibli that have to scramble a system and paradise. 680 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:30,720 and the county is not walking away from helping get this thing off the ground and making 681 00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:31,960 a word. 682 00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:35,190 That's good. 683 00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:37,010 Maybe 684 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,180 something that I think is really important and hopefully everyone's doing this 685 00:56:44,180 --> 00:56:46,000 and if you're not, please do. 686 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,880 As time goes on we're feeling better and better about this, some united. 687 00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:54,240 How many of you have spoken to here, county council member? 688 00:56:55,240 --> 00:57:01,380 How many of you, I have to agree, it's hard to be very specific about anything, because 689 00:57:01,380 --> 00:57:02,540 it involves so quickly. 690 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:03,880 Exactly. 691 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,160 They're both in about the over-hard team goals that we're trying to do. 692 00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:08,240 That's a good point. 693 00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:13,400 Well, they're really interested in that, and I'll tell you, no one and I have had a really 694 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:19,240 good relationship over years, and our last visit, as I've said, I'm feeling better, way 695 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:25,600 better than I was early on. And he told me that means something to me coming for 696 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:33,340 you. Yeah, and you and we will we will I will contact no. So I think that's going to be 697 00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:40,100 you John these others. Yeah, Catherine, who understand Nibli's predicament. Oh wait, we talk 698 00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:46,280 about county council. Yes, because I'm talking about county council members because that's a big 699 00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:50,200 You know, I'm here and right here, well, this is a hope. 700 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:57,340 Well, a lot of this is bearing on them, and they're ready to let them know, hey, we're comfortable 701 00:57:57,340 --> 00:57:58,000 with this. 702 00:57:58,020 --> 00:57:59,340 We think we can do it. 703 00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:03,680 That's the last conversation I had with Nolan, me, said that means everything to me 704 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:04,420 hearing that. 705 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:11,280 And understand, as I watch the county council, many of those live in the unison court-forated 706 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:11,820 areas. 707 00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:17,820 That's the tax on the unincorporated area is going to affect them directly. 708 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:24,880 We have to leave the cell line to the right place and say, yes, it's good for you. 709 00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:29,700 So it's important that these south enders around our site is if I'm counting right, you've 710 00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:32,920 got two green logan that are going on. 711 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,020 So one, two on the north. 712 00:58:34,900 --> 00:58:38,540 So this is going to be important to have our south enders on our site. 713 00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:45,640 That bothers me a lot, they said we could get the vote. 714 00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:48,120 And he has the disposition for that also. 715 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,580 So I think that's important, everybody should. 716 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,480 I think that's critical. 717 00:58:56,220 --> 00:58:58,300 Let me just go back to the matter. 718 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,740 If your city spends any money out of its general fund, 719 00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:07,760 or any money from fees collected from citizens, 720 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:16,920 on a utility bill, which means that there is a balance between this voucher revenue that comes 721 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:25,740 in and what your city has to make up to provide a fire in the EMS. So if men in or 722 00:59:25,740 --> 00:59:33,500 a paradise spend any money for fire in the EMS protection out of your general fund, if the voucher 723 00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:39,220 those up that could go down and departure goes down, that's got to go up right. So that's 724 00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:48,100 how I see the balancing at. We need to worry about the cost of districts, protection and service. 725 00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:53,700 We need to worry about our own municipal costs and protection at the level that we're defined. 726 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,980 But I think the balance in saying, well we can't afford a bigger voucher or we need to 727 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,600 That's all fine, but if we go for a small voucher, we have to make it up someone. 728 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:06,980 Right. That's all right. That's all right. 729 01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:10,780 Actually, the other court-rated, they're going to get two taxes. 730 01:00:12,020 --> 01:00:19,960 I mean, if you weren't, I mean, I kind of set a goal and it may not be enough, 731 01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:27,440 but the unincorporated between the fire district and the minutes of what paid 100 meals. 732 01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:36,080 So, if you raise the levy for the fire district, it will reduce the municipal services tax. 733 01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:38,540 Just like you're talking about in the city. 734 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,020 So, there's a connection between the two. 735 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,900 But 800 mills is kind of what I'm positing is about an average. 736 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,660 But the truth is, is that hiring citizens are paying more than 800 mills between the county and the city now. 737 01:00:55,660 --> 01:00:57,600 and you're paying less than that. 738 01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:00,100 And so that's when coming to terms with that, yeah. 739 01:01:00,340 --> 01:01:03,560 And I think equalizing this thing all over the county 740 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,100 makes a lot of sense, and then letting the cities decide 741 01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:11,340 how much they want to do, and it gives higher 742 01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:14,500 and a little credit for having a fire station and you not. 743 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,860 You know, that's in there. 744 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,120 I think we're in great shape in the south. 745 01:01:23,260 --> 01:01:25,020 I think we're far enough along that we see 746 01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:27,040 we can make it to the finish line. 747 01:01:28,220 --> 01:01:30,660 You said that about the North, but we could go. 748 01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:33,500 So we want both to go. 749 01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:35,240 Don't do it to me. 750 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,280 Let me, we don't have one board with that. 751 01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:40,460 Twist with this. 752 01:01:40,820 --> 01:01:44,600 Of course, neither came case to a policy. 753 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:45,780 Both cases. 754 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,460 Sorry, we're not going to get close. 755 01:01:47,900 --> 01:01:49,060 We're looking at it. 756 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:52,240 We are. 757 01:01:52,340 --> 01:01:53,840 That's where a court came from. 758 01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,160 It was Casey, it wasn't Cory. 759 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,560 Casey came and made a couple of comments. 760 01:02:00,180 --> 01:02:02,780 Again, you should listen carefully to your critics. 761 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:09,200 One of the things he criticized was that the fireboard doesn't have any technical people on it. 762 01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:11,500 They don't have a fire chief on it. 763 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,760 We don't have a way to solve that problem because of these restrictions 764 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,140 because all of our technical people are going to be employed 765 01:02:22,140 --> 01:02:25,880 directly or indirectly with the fire district. 766 01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:30,160 What I would propose is the fire district 767 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:34,280 to both answer Casey's objection, 768 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,140 which I think is well-founded, 769 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,400 and just it will help. 770 01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:43,360 I think we ought to as a fire board, Larry, 771 01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:49,200 immediately aboard experience slash technology, 772 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:56,320 subcommittee, composed of either all the fire chiefs in the valley or a representative 773 01:02:56,320 --> 01:03:02,460 sample of fire chief so that there's that body immediately in place that can provide 774 01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:08,140 this kind of advice. You know how beneficial it then to have chief George sitting at 775 01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:14,620 our elbow in those subcommittee meetings without that we've been in Tony as well and 776 01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:22,420 as well. You sit beside them and they understand what we're trying to deal with. So I think 777 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:30,120 our response to Casey should be we agree with you, but we've got a reason we can't appoint 778 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:39,500 them to the fire board, so we're going to create a committee and use that committee and maybe 779 01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:44,120 Tony, you can warm up a particular fire chief in that. 780 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,840 Then you'll get a little more comfortable with what we're doing. 781 01:03:46,860 --> 01:03:56,120 I don't want to, but I think that's something we can have ready to pass the moment, 782 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:56,840 the fireboard. 783 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:03,620 So when we get to the county council and that criticism is raised, we have a response ready 784 01:04:03,620 --> 01:04:07,380 if we've done exactly what you suggested. 785 01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:15,100 And I was one thing Casey suggests, and the other thing he was concerned about is training 786 01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:22,520 at the district level, not the technical training you get at Bridgerland or something, but 787 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:28,520 training that as a unit, we would have a plan that we would be free.