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Good morning, and welcome to the Congress County Board of Surveillance Meeting for January 23, 2024.

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First item of business is to go into closed session, Stacey.

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Item 1, pursuant to government code 54957.6, conference with Labour negotiator, agency negotiators,

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Judy Hawkins and Nick Marvin, Labour organization, service employees, international union, local 201.

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one by item two pristone to government code five four nine five six point nine D one conference with legal counsel regarding existing litigation

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Greer at all versus Calvars County Calvars County Superior Court case number one eight C B four three four six zero.

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Thank you Zeen public comment on this item in the room in the online there's not online very well we will recess to close session and we will return at nine

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Thank you.

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Good morning, and welcome to the January 23rd, Calvary County Board of Supervisors meeting.

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Call on this meeting in the order. If you are able, can you please stand for pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you.

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Will everyone pull out and close session?

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Item 1, presents a government code 54957.6 conference with Labour negotiator, agency negotiators,

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Judy Hawkins, and Nick Marvin. Labour organization, service employees, international union,

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local 2-015 board action no recordable action taken item 2 pursuant

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to government code 549-56.91 conference at legal council regarding existing litigation

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grew at all versus Calabers County, Calabers County Superior Court case number 1-8CV-430460

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board action no recordable action taken thank you very much

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We'll move on to staff announcements as a staff that would like to make it, or board moves

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as a like to make an announcement,

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public comment, public comment, public comment, public comment.

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Public comments can come up next.

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We're going to do the, this is for staff announcements.

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Any online?

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There are no online requests.

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All right.

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Thank you very much.

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We're going to move on to recognition and announcements.

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to raise your stop?

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If you

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vote all the time.

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Just think.

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Always.

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This is a population recognize in January 2020 for

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as mentoring month and calvert.

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We're as January is National Mentoring Month, an annual campaign to raise awareness of and celebrate

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the powerful acts of mentoring, relationships, recruit new mentors, and encourage institutions

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to integrate quality mentoring into their policies and practices. And we're as covers County recognizes

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the contributions of volunteers, CAA, SA, or Casa, Mentors, and CCLE Youth Mentoring Program

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Mentors who link youth to economic and social opportunity while also strengthening our

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community and whereas youth development experts agree that mentoring encourages positive youth

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development and smart daily behaviors such as finishing homework and having healthy social interactions.

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So I teach my daughter how to finish her home work.

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And it has a positive impact on the growth and success of a young person.

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And whereas mentoring programs generally have significant positive impact on the youth academic

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achievement, school connectedness, and engagement, and educational success, which can lead

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to outcomes such as improved attendance, excuse me, grades, test scores, and classroom

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behavior. And whereas effective mentoring of underserved and vulnerable populations, young

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people helps them confront challenges and enjoy improved health, mental health, and

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social, and emotional well-being. And whereas mentoring programs have found to possibly impact

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many aspects of mental, well-being, including reducing unhealthy, coping mechanisms, improving

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interpersonal relationships and reducing parental stress. I could use this on this one

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Younger.

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I, and where has young people with a mentor are more likely to roll in college, case

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and point, to participate in sports or extra to curricular activities into volunteer

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regularly and less likely to start using drugs.

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And whereas mentoring is in an innovative, evidence-based practice in his both a prevention

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intervention strategy that can support young people of all demographics and backgrounds in

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all aspects of life. And joking aside, mentoring is a very important story on their generations

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and the connection between and the education and the way to conduct themselves throughout life

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is very important. It can be a family member but more often than not, you know, that kind of time

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of connectedness, I found, comes from somebody outside the family unit, and sometimes.

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Would anybody that has, Sarah, your group, and, yeah, I have.

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Thank you, ladies.

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Good morning.

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My name is Emily Johnson, I'm the Deputy Director of Social Services, and before I introduce

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Kila and Fair, I just wanted to say that the cost of program mentors and volunteers and

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volunteers for the Calvars Youth Mentoring Program have been really vital to a lot of our children

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growing up with consistent support of adults in their lives which we know positively impacts

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child abuse prevention throughout our counties. So I wanted to just thank these ladies for

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all about the work that they do and without further ado, I will introduce Kayla Gaffney and Fair

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Roberts.

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Thank you. I am the manager of the Calvars Youth Mentoring Program out of the county office

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education. The Calvary Seeth Mentoring Program is a one-on-one mentoring program where

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youth are recommended and matched with volunteer mentors based on common interests where

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they live in the county and personalities. For 20 years, we have fully screened, monitor,

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and supported our volunteer mentors and mentees. We provide training, field trips, and mentor

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council. Now, just spend approximately two hours a week together for at least a year.

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Do we find activities such as fishing, biking, snow-shoaring, or just hanging out and exploring the wonderful county we live in?

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I'm Entie Sloan to build stronger relationships, explore new interests and hobbies, and improve their self-confidence, decision-making, and view of the future.

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At its core, mentoring shows a young people that their community cares about them, sees their strengths and wants to nurture their future and talents.

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We have some pretty amazing kids in Calabers County.

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Youth-based life challenges with strength, resilience, creativity, and hope.

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Young people who are brave enough to invite safer dogs into their lives

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who believe in them and want to invest in their greatness

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and experience a smoother road to adulthood.

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During National Mentoring Month, we also celebrate our other mentoring programs

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within Calabers County, such as FNL Mentoring,

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which is a school-based peer mentoring program and CASA.

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Calvary's mentoring receives financial and administrative support from the county office education.

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There is contracts with county agencies and grants and individual donations

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solicited by the Calvary's mentoring foundation.

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Whose mission is to raise awareness and funds for local youth mentoring.

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Your proclamation today helps us celebrate and grows these important programs.

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Every youth who wants to mentor should have one, but not every youth gets one.

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They're currently four girls and eight boys throughout Calabers on our waiting list.

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We depend on community members to spread the word about mentoring programs, and help us find volunteers for eager young people.

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Please contact us if you have someone that you think would make a great mentor for one of our amazing kids or if you would like to have a mentor.

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So thank you and have you an actual mentoring month.

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Thank you.

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Good morning.

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And so I was signed with the Court of Punish Special Advocates Program.

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Humans are social animals.

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Sometimes we forget this in our culture where we review

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a review of a review of self-discipline and determination.

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But study after study reviews that the best way for people

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to overcome trauma and stress is through positive relationships.

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For children, that is essentially true.

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Beyond the parenting relationship, outside the adult relationships

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are very important.

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Calibus County is very fortunate to have a mentoring program, when I visit nearby counties

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to talk about what services we have available for children, the mentoring program stands out

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as an example of a program that is desperately needed in part of the prevention of child

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maltreatment.

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Families struggle to make ends meet in this county, and even well-known programs like Scouts

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in forage cost money. But a program like the mentoring program which is free to a child and

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their family is worth its weight in gold. The program I manage, the quarter point is special

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advocates program. We specifically mentor will have a mentorship role with children who are facing

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a piece of neglect.

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Our clientele is narrow but we do serve that mentorship role. Being in

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mentorship role is the fun part of being an advocate. Some of the ways our classes have helped

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these children, including teaching a child how to fish, who had never been outside for the first

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time, and taking them on walks or hikes or shepherding them to a college campus. Children and

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caliber of space mini challenges with the shortage of resources, but the more children we can

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get linked to positive adult relationships, the better. So this proclamation goes

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of long ways to helping the community to realize that we need more volunteers.

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Like Caleb mentioned her, waiting list, I have 14 kids on my waiting list.

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And we just need work to get volunteers and funding to continue to help with this volunteer

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ship rule.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Craig.

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I know all the volunteers, the mentor across the county, it's invaluable, and that's where

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a lot of the space comes from, and you know, we appreciate everything you do for

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I'm a very public comment to this.

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Terry, good to see you.

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Terry, goodbye.

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You can't find it.

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Terry, bye.

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Distribute to this.

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My mom and ring a three-fans,

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help start big lives, be sisters.

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And I'm sorry to see Catherine is in here.

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Catherine gave me a trip there, and for years.

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Then, it is a three-year program.

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It really is.

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And so I hope many people that has something called time.

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I don't.

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That people do have time in their own way, let's do a fit and what's the thing with.

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We charge to, I guess, a new administration, how are you guys?

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For the work that I do, I've seen first here on the benefit that it gets kids.

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I think it's phenomenal.

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And I really think that I can around a hand, right, a class, rather than if they don't.

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Thank you.

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Any further public comment?

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Come on.

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I'll bring it back to the board.

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Do we have a motion?

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I'll make the motion.

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Thank you, Mr. Aubrey.

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Okay, motion by them is for 100 second by this phone door. All those in favor. Hi, those opposed didn't think so, so I'll finish it off now.

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Now the report here resolved that the Calvers County Board of Supervisors does here by proclaim January 2024 as National Mentoring Month and Calvers County. Thank you all.

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Thank you very much for putting that together and I see a lot of really great possible mentors

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in this room.

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So you've got any extra time around to help out our kids, please do join these programs.

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We will move on to a general public comment.

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I said we didn't do the whole paragraph.

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I think most of the people here know the way this works.

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It's our items are not on the agenda.

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So if you want to pull something off the consent agenda or talk about that,

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please wait till that comes up.

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Our annual shelter, I see what's people in the room on that as well.

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That'll be later on.

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But if you have general public comments that are not related to the agenda, please come up

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forward now.

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You'll have three minutes.

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Terri?

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Now I'm tearing it by.

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It's still district two of Congress County Community Chair and Senator.

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Now, three weeks ago, a Chinese guy came in with the English September.

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I came in.

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I went and looked at the recording.

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It's familiar.

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It completely.

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It completely.

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to you know that I recorded all that, saved it, saved it, saved it out. They've destroyed it.

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All of a sudden last night, they got to run, but I still have the recordings of it destroyed it.

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That's my first assignment, this is your new book. You guys have mentioned it,

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now it, because it happens to me who asks, everybody that comes here should have a perfectly clear audio afterwards.

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Now on better things, my positive, because I'm going to just assume that it was an error,

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I would like to think that soft work and professionalism does not exist in my can.

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Calibers can you demo your election?

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It's happening at the can, I brought on Saturday from 1032 to 30.

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You must be a California ID and a Preparations like Nativity Bill.

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We want to show how we change the back to paper ballots.

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Here you can't hear.

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Because we have some patterns in our country.

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And if we go back to paper ball, it's hand candy, 20-20 spaces, so we'll invite all of you to join us in the fact of Dr. Sanfice and leaving.

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And in the end, if you're interested in evening, I have a tag on me at the Roundtable T. Pizza and Angels Cup.

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537 again, any of you would like to come to the public, come find out what it is we are doing.

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We will be the 51state of California, very important to know.

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So today I'm here to read that we will take a great new powerful state notice to our

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California's declaration of the 11th constitution of default.

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Statement of Schipholedax, we mean of time, this is count seven.

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Again, it's got a misunderstanding of this administration and the government of our state

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Unfortunately, a selected government who has never won an election to office without the help of the corrupt and man who will probably pass selection process.

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One of the globalist cartels in the Chinese Communist Party, OCCP, previously at the outcome, to enable places of him office in office has committed treason.

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A selected government who openly defies Article 4, section 4, and its three guarantees of a Republican front of government,

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keeping all of their country in the vision and not of domestic violence is

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community-tracing. The 2018 midterm election, 2020,

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car election in the 2020 midterm election are all lost in one-to-one

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balancing that will further help of a fraudulent electronic election system and

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algorithm. And the actions of the global is cartels and the CCP.

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I did, too, and it was a start to oversee the province of California, and I think

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you were finished.

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Thank you.

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Bonnie.

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If you'd like to speak in part of the comment, if you could line up and make the key things

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moving.

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Good morning.

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Bonnie, can you give me two double springs?

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And two things, this morning, I'd like to report that I'm not sure who to thank, but what's wrong?

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I'm sorry, don't can, here you can just speak up.

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God, that's okay.

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God, God, God, God, God, God.

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I don't think, oh, two things this morning, someone put not a speed limit sign, but speed

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contraptions.

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There's things on the side of the road that says, speed limit is this and you were going

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this.

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There's two of them on double springs and I don't know who's to think for that, but it made

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big difference, the traffic was rolled down, even more in traffic that zooms by on the way

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the Jackson or whoever is rolled down, and it's really made a difference to have some kind

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of speed limit on that road, just like to let you all know. And the second thing is, oh yes,

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last week I remember I was complaining about how they're looking, campers and things parked

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side of the road. I had a thought. Those people that are camping on the side of the road are taking

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business away from our campgrounds. If we had perhaps a voucher where these people could have

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one free night, a county's expense of course, to go to a campground and get off the street maybe we could

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start dealing with the problem if they get one free night, but after that, get away, go away,

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get out of here or something. But I was just trying to think of a way to solve that

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problem. On double springs, I think the problem was solved by PG&E Park, all of its equipment

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in that area where the camper was parked, and there was no room for the camper, so they

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to get out of there. But one thing I could say PG&E did write, this says all the things I have,

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the complain about them doing wrong. Thank you very much for listening.

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Thank you, Bonnie. I can speak her.

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Bonnie, that was Robert Packinger, Dr. Eton.

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Hello, my name is Debbie Rojas, Assemblywoman of New California State, Calvars County.

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And I'm just going to pick up our chair left off.

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Now, it's a help of federal courts in the state of Georgia and they're in

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winning, unwitting, corrupted secretary of state.

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Brad Raffinsberger, the evidence of clear for the world to see how

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the selected trees in the governor of the province of California and

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thousands of down, barric corrupt selected officials turned the

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and military and province.

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In June, 2023, the Federal District Court of the Northern District of Georgia

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and sealed the so-called 96-page Hildenburg

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that security analysis of Georgia's image cast

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next ballot and recognizes Georgia's Secretary of State

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Brad Raffin, Berger, Sporger,

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had been hiding the report from the public for two years.

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University of Michigan, Professor of Computer Science and Engineering, J. Alex Holderman, and

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Security Researcher and Assistant Professor at the Auburn University, Dr. Nuss-Rilgore.

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I believe in the report where they discovered an explotate, exploitable, vulnerable in the

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in voting machines, imagecast, and system.

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J, Alex Holdenman, demonstrated, in court,

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how the remaining machines are hacked

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and their calculations are easily altered

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to select individual for any office.

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In Georgia courtroom, in 2020, for our J, Alex Holdenman,

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demonstrated any explicit detail to the court

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into the world how easy it was to hack

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into the Dominion Board of Initiatives and Alter the Boats.

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This was the first time in a court of law, such a demonstration has taken place, which

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are altered, which details an innumerable fashion of how the vast electronic elections systems

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can be altered and thus corrupted.

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Following audit over the elections of 2018, 2021, 2022, you to rise in data provided by each

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California County, the Secretary of State Office, it was obvious that the algorithm

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was used to create weighted vote values in the remaining and in other vote tabulation

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devices, by those who facilitated the selection of the governor. The evidence in the

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Georgia Federal Court presented by J. Alex Alderman, over one of the supports, the use

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of an algorithm to facilitate the correct election of the governor.

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The fraudulent election system does not function without the help and the support of the state

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and the county employees who either and do not.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'll probably comment on items not on the agenda.

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I'm not a nurse with a kind of a friend of me reckoning.

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I'm a child member, I also a cultural research specialist assistant from my child.

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I have some things to talk about, that's not on the agenda for the Wagon Show of 2024.

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Adam, we're going to pull, I have my understandings that you want to pull out off

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consent agenda for discussion right on?

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That would be the appropriate time to, we'll give you that time.

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I really made a way to do this process, so I would just want to get it on, so we can come to it.

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I'm going to get to that, we're going to pull it off, and I'm going to have a discussion on that.

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Absolutely, thank you Jack.

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Thank you.

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Terry, let me get one by the app.

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Okay. Other public comment? Anything on line?

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You're a new online request.

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Board recognizes Chairman Rest Thomas and Calvers County Water District.

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Former supervisor, I should add. Thank you.

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Thank you Chairman Garmin.

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Thank you for that one welcome.

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I'm here today a little bit to reflect on when I used to sit at the

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One hundred years ago, I had four wonderful years here, some better than others, but it was my heart that I can still see people up there that I held on my speed dial and when I call you, you answer the phone.

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That's really, really, very commendable.

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But the most important thing I want to talk about today is something that came to my attention

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when I was sitting up there, that there is a number of very close and one relationship

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between the county board supervisors and the members of the board of Congress County Water District.

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I was puzzled me because mathematically, right now, with 45,000 plus citizens in the county,

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we're sort of about 33,000 of those citizens.

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So it really makes pretty sense to me that there should be ongoing discussions,

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maybe not as firmly as would trigger ban at considerations,

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but certain conversations need to be happening for every frequently between our respective

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birds. I tried to accomplish that when I was on the setting up there. There were a couple

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of board members that didn't have any infection for Congress, County Water District, so that

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we couldn't pull that off, but we started back when I was 14 years ago. At CCWD, it did kind of

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So please, I'm thrilled not to move in all the banks.

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I'd like to buy lunch for a couple of you sometime, and let's start.

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And I haven't had a chance to interact with your new CDO.

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Congratulations on your position.

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And I see some wonderful things that have been happening here.

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So coming visit, welcome to visit you.

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And if you have any questions for me, I'm here to talk for another minute or so.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, thank you.

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And I think I'll speak on behalf of our board.

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We look forward to working with your board as well.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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In the other public comment.

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Seeing none, we'll move on to consent agenda.

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Place you will read that out.

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Consent agenda items are expected to be routine and non-controversal.

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They will be acted upon by the board at one time without discussion.

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Any board members, staff member, or interested party may request a removal of an item from the consent agenda that's poured later discussion.

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Thank you. Any board members wish to pull an item from consent agenda?

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Any staff members want to pull an item from consent agenda?

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Any public want to pull an item from a agenda from the consent agenda?

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Adam, which number is that?

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16.

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Okay.

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We'll pull.

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Item number 16.

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Let's move forward on the remainder.

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And then we'll come back to item 16.

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You can stay there.

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So moved.

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Move by supervisor stopper.

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Second by supervisor top finale.

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All in favour?

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Aye.

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Posed.

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Passes 5-0.

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Item number 16 has been pulled.

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You want to?

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Hello, I want to give you an item loose with the Governor's

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Banner Me Walking News.

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I'm a shadow member, I also have a culture research specialist

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assistance.

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I've been working on the Wagon Trail Project with the folks since

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2022.

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Here we are going on the 2024, and once again we're at the

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budget part of the beginning, and we've met around the

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table with some of your officials and negotiators and

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that were unbelievable with the tribe and then things were put in with things for

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cut-and-half and we have a lot of concerns on these. For we want to be at

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front and honest to you, but I remember you said, well, this is going to cost to

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do for the rest of the season rather than individuals bringing forward what you

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guys will agree to, then we have to come back in front of the board and present,

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They're still more funding that needs to be alligator to do the remainder of the project.

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So under close communication and understanding with the contractor circuit, on the days

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proposed for work and weekends, we did our best to put a budget together to accommodate

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that work plan.

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And so when we did that talking, we came up to an understanding and then things were cut

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in half, and then hourly rates were cut, and so we have a lot of questions to ask you guys.

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And from our understanding with cowchants and lead agencies involved, if there's not

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an agreement made between and understanding between the county and the shy for this project,

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It may well just die out if we can't come to a resolution of how we're going to move forward here.

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And I'll go ahead and reserve my time for our five-share,

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that we're grants with the Calibur's Bending Me Lucky News.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Nice chair, Greg.

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Well, hey.

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My name is Debbie Grimes, tribal vice chair person.

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Also, tribal cultural resource specialist for 30 years of Calibur's County and small

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portion of Bound floor.

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As always, we're here to build and have a wonderful relationship as we say.

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We're not here to be enemies or buddies to go have tea, nice if we can, okay?

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We're here to work together in a professional manner.

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As you guys know, this project went on, you guys adopted it, that's your business.

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But throughout those years, we were left out of that and then we came engaged in it.

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again. We were engaged in this project with Cal Trains until it got adopted. So I won't go back

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into the past because there's enough information that will be presented to you through

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a document. We are in 2020 and like Adam stated, we met with Do Barry Howard and Robert

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Packinger with the county. The tribe had a year budget and you all start with your budget

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looking at it and knowing our information to seek it as well as five days week, six

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days week, five, you know, about 10 nowadays, eight hours on Saturday.

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So they asked us if we could look at a six-month period to present to the board.

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So try going back, agree to that, and then we see the information back from Dubai on behalf

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of the amount, the time, and monitoring services, et cetera, we said absolutely not, we cannot

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agree to that.

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We can agree to this in this behalf.

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If you have one piece of equipment on Dragon Trail, because there is site from one end to

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the other, we did a lot of investigation, we did a lot of clearing, we moved a barrier, we moved

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over 100,000,000 artifacts on this project.

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Okay, that said there was nothing there

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from the first folks talking engineering.

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And then by now, we came a bird, we demonstrated

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with a closely with the lead call trends

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on behalf of this as well as ship all.

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The concurrence of agreement was,

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you know, you're doing ground disturbance.

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No matter what, you got a piece of equipment out there?

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What to do?

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Ground disturbance.

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We were closely with the county to also say funding on behalf of Cal 1679 example.

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That's a huge feature that dates back to climate change.

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We have features that were in the bed box.

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So when the equipment's coming in, they hit that bedrock and material at holes.

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And we do our ecological investigation.

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So when you want to get up to amount of that, that said millions and millions of dollars on this project.

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This will move in our native stuff out of the way.

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So, in behalf of this budget that you're seeing here is a bunch of truth, the amount, where you can't be too kind of back to you guys every month, so many months, sick and another four months.

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I'm going to be honest with you here, you have to have a monitoring archaeologist of each area of work for ground disturbance. Last year and year before, we were like chickens with their heads cut off for our county.

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I tried when I had and we're covering two, three places quickly.

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This is having our natives and spots and archaeologists.

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We also will closely have just had saying two natives and one archaeologists when you have a native

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and archaeologist present.

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We did a best of saving.

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There's many months and hours that I never built.

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But here today, we're going to be honest with all of you.

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There is a equipment ready to run from Appalooza to Benanza.

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If you want one piece of equipment, then OK, we'll have the one monitor.

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But to let you know, we're opposed to budget.

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That's being presented to you.

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It's a ventruth.

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And we will not be negotiable.

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I've caught an hourly rate of $30 less an hour.

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we're out of certain rate with our agencies, and how we're trying to find ways of cutting it to save money.

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We have negotiable.

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If everyone in this project can cut their rate of $30,000,000 less, then we can come on to it.

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But as a break, now the tribe is not negotiable of the cut,

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and if there's no negotiations to be met,

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Then again, the ship, the tribe, and Cal Transportation,

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then the project has to come to her until we're able.

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They want to start on March 4th.

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We're here.

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We're ready to go.

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I'm sorry.

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We've already exceeded the talk board.

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And we're going to talk about this further a while.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Questions from the board?

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Robert, do you want to come up?

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Tell us what's going on?

461
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:15,940
Good morning.

462
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:22,660
Let me introduce to you Howard Zabell from Dubary that the amendment that you have in front

463
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:27,400
of you is with our consultant Dubary.

464
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:35,820
I'm sorry that we're having this difficulty right now, as Deborah has said, we both have

465
01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:42,000
been working very hard to try to preserve this cultural history that's within the project.

466
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,520
So there's been a lot of work, a lot of dialogue.

467
01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:51,820
We, the county, the team remains committed to preserving

468
01:17:51,820 --> 01:17:55,160
this cultural history that's unique area.

469
01:17:55,780 --> 01:17:59,920
We are also committed to unification requirements

470
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:05,040
that we have for the project through the environmental documents

471
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:05,940
that are in place.

472
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:11,040
We are supposed to unify those requirements.

473
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,820
There is no question about any of that.

474
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:22,700
At the same time, we have to balance that work with what we have in our budgets, and so

475
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:32,920
what we were working on was an amendment that took us forward in time with our estimates for

476
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:42,900
about six months. There are still some unknowns. We have scheduled a note from the contractor.

477
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:49,260
They are still trying to resolve some things that they need to build. And it was the way

478
01:18:49,260 --> 01:18:54,940
that seemed that they have to build. There's going to be a change over there with the impact of the schedule.

479
01:18:54,940 --> 01:19:02,600
there's also going to be an area where we're going to raise the road to a very impacting the

480
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:04,080
cultural artifacts.

481
01:19:06,140 --> 01:19:11,300
But those we mean currently as of today alone, but we wanted to process

482
01:19:11,300 --> 01:19:21,160
this amendment to keep the cultural activities funding forward. We understand that if the level

483
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:28,600
of effort is greater and we find that out, we'll have to come back to the board for another

484
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:29,200
amendment.

485
01:19:30,020 --> 01:19:34,500
That's something that we know that will probably happen.

486
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:44,280
Now the issue with the rate is that we requested for justification for the rate,

487
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,140
of course

488
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:58,080
that was provided to us is the one that conference told us is the rate that's used. That's what we

489
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:04,440
plugged into this estimate for the amendment in that right now the source of the issue.

490
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:07,940
When we put

491
01:20:07,940 --> 01:20:15,260
these dollars in and with our estimates, this amendment currently is within what we believe was the

492
01:20:15,260 --> 01:20:18,960
budgeted amounts that have been discussed with you in the past.

493
01:20:20,780 --> 01:20:27,980
The tribe has told us that there are updated rates, count trains is perhaps working on

494
01:20:27,980 --> 01:20:34,160
these updated rates and we told them that when we get these rates updated from count trains

495
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,300
we're ready and we're willing to honor whatever those rates are.

496
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:45,100
They are right now the difference between what the tribe is requesting and what

497
01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:49,800
cooperatives has given us, the difference is about a 35% increase.

498
01:20:52,420 --> 01:20:58,040
We feel without the cooperatives telling us this is the way it's, there's no

499
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:04,060
justification for it, and so things that difference would come from the room.

500
01:21:05,580 --> 01:21:13,120
For perspective, as far as we're talking about for the dollar amount, last year the high rate

501
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:19,980
was approved, the rate that the tribe is wishing, and for about six months worth of work,

502
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:32,220
the amount that was paid was $475,000, and $125,000 of that was that difference in the rate

503
01:21:32,220 --> 01:21:33,820
that was used last year.

504
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,860
So that's the type of amount that we're looking at.

505
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:43,940
But for now, as far as what we're trying to do with this amendment,

506
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:50,540
it's in the menu, we'll do bury and we're just trying to keep the funding in

507
01:21:50,540 --> 01:21:54,720
the for the cultural work that needs to be taking place right now.

508
01:21:57,580 --> 01:21:58,840
Questions from the board?

509
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:08,220
I have lots of questions, but I was wondering if do Barry had anything to say prior to me

510
01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:11,420
maybe something I'll be answered. I don't know.

511
01:22:12,100 --> 01:22:19,280
Sure, members of Board Howard's about what do Barry. So just a little bit of history on this.

512
01:22:20,460 --> 01:22:29,340
So we were late last year. I guess first I'd say that, you know, last probably eight months

513
01:22:29,340 --> 01:22:34,540
have been involved in the project. I think we've developed a really good working relationship

514
01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:41,580
with the tribe with Deborah and Adam. I appreciate the partnership in doing what we all

515
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:49,140
know should be done and has to be done. So late last year, we got together to talk about

516
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:56,760
in amendment and the level of effort, that would be required for the next construction

517
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,140
season, 2024.

518
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,940
So there was discussed, was discussed in a grid upon,

519
01:23:07,180 --> 01:23:09,180
was, let's estimate six months

520
01:23:09,180 --> 01:23:14,020
of Earth moving activity, that's the Earth disturbing activity, that's when the monitors

521
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:22,080
needed, right? Just a word on next year and the schedule, we don't have the first schedule

522
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:27,680
for next year yet. There are changes in, there are things in flux, there are changes

523
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:33,620
that are happening right now. You heard Robert talk about the, the retaining wall at

524
01:23:33,620 --> 01:23:40,140
P.O.D. 7, that has been designed, catch-rances reviewing it, the contractors placing it,

525
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:43,460
We don't have schedule of vision on that yet.

526
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,080
So what we are doing is we are estimating, as best we can,

527
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,100
what we think, how we think the season is going to go with 2024.

528
01:23:54,220 --> 01:23:57,820
So the assumption was six months of Earth's

529
01:23:57,820 --> 01:23:58,560
Serbian activity.

530
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,140
The assumption was two monitors,

531
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:05,540
one at each end of the project.

532
01:24:06,260 --> 01:24:12,480
And with that, this was, I think, November 30th, we had this discussion with the tribe.

533
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,700
Cut the weeks later, we received an amendment request.

534
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,900
The assumptions in there were higher than what we had discussed.

535
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:30,080
In terms of letter of effort, in terms of days, in terms of number of monitors.

536
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:36,880
So, we, you know, those communication back and forth, we met with Robert and I met with Deborah.

537
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:43,080
I think it was similar around Christmas time, between Christmas and New Year's.

538
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:47,320
We, we talked about the letter of effort, we talked about the rate,

539
01:24:48,260 --> 01:24:56,160
and we agreed on, in principle, on a, on a different letter of effort.

540
01:24:57,940 --> 01:25:02,660
And we also on the right issue, we're referenced that, you know,

541
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,440
catcherings had approved this rate.

542
01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:08,100
I haven't been involved with this project from day one,

543
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:11,400
so I'm coming into it, I see this new rate.

544
01:25:12,020 --> 01:25:16,340
Much higher than what I'm used to seeing, it raised the flag for me,

545
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:20,180
so I could do diligence and make sure we can justify that rate.

546
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:24,600
Thirty, thirty-five percent increase, that's pretty considerable.

547
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:33,740
So with that, we did ask count trends, was the what's your rate, was your proof rate

548
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:43,140
for culture miners, and the rate was significantly lower, right, 30% lower than this

549
01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:43,580
ask.

550
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:50,400
So we needed to get this item in front of board to keep construction moving next year, so

551
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:58,020
this year. Schedules right now, March 4th. Contractors plan remover and starting

552
01:25:58,020 --> 01:26:06,860
earthwork activities. So we have to get this underway. There have been discussions back

553
01:26:06,860 --> 01:26:12,260
and forth just haven't been able to continue agreement on this rate. So our fat process

554
01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:19,600
was we know we need to get going with something. We need that we need to get something to

555
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,180
keep the job going, did my best estimate

556
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,400
and what I think was a reasonable sentient

557
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,280
based on what we know now.

558
01:26:30,540 --> 01:26:36,700
And that was less than what we discussed

559
01:26:36,700 --> 01:26:37,860
back in late December.

560
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,840
The level of effort was not much less

561
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,940
just to give you some guidance here.

562
01:26:44,220 --> 01:26:49,580
So it's some perspective, 120 days was the initial

563
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:52,900
So that went down on 115.

564
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,340
26 weekends, it went down to 18.

565
01:26:58,860 --> 01:27:01,220
So these were not huge, huge cuts.

566
01:27:01,900 --> 01:27:06,080
Trying to be just make the best estimate of what we think

567
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:07,460
is going to be needed.

568
01:27:08,260 --> 01:27:09,020
So that's where we are.

569
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:09,560
Thank you.

570
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:10,920
Do you guys just appreciate some questions?

571
01:27:12,420 --> 01:27:15,900
First of all, I want to say that it's valued

572
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:23,520
that we have the tribe within the county of working on this in an area and, you know, it's

573
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:29,900
thank you Debra and your co-workers for having the proper credentials and education to be able

574
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:32,220
to facilitate doing this as we move forward.

575
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:40,020
Now, you know, you brought up that there's an enormous amount of cultural artifacts.

576
01:27:40,020 --> 01:27:46,440
I mean, the sites that were found along that area have been far more than we're estimated

577
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:55,400
as we move forward and the cost has been quite a bit more than we predicted from the very

578
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,040
beginning and we've had to move money around.

579
01:27:58,540 --> 01:28:00,820
So with that, you already answered part of my question.

580
01:28:01,260 --> 01:28:05,500
CalChance going rate at this time is what we have in here.

581
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:06,340
That's correct.

582
01:28:06,340 --> 01:28:14,360
And if there is any negotiations or proposed changes or amendments to that, those haven't been finalized at this time?

583
01:28:15,140 --> 01:28:15,500
That's correct.

584
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:21,340
So that's the state accepted rate as let's say prudium.

585
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:28,440
You know, within, you know, the idea of conception of it, you know,

586
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:35,680
and generally the state accepted rates higher than the federal rate when it comes to these type of services.

587
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:42,040
I'm not, I can't say that for sure, but it sounds like a reasonable assumption.

588
01:28:42,980 --> 01:28:45,620
In most cases, it is not all cases.

589
01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:52,720
Consideration.

590
01:28:55,870 --> 01:28:57,190
It's value that the tribe is doing.

591
01:28:57,390 --> 01:29:01,010
I would like to keep that money within our local area.

592
01:29:02,450 --> 01:29:08,890
They say if we don't come to an agreement that work will stop in the state has no ability

593
01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:13,870
for other cultural resources as we move forward. Is that true?

594
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:16,470
I believe that to be true.

595
01:29:20,340 --> 01:29:26,540
Now, we're quite a way through. We do have the wall that Mr. Packinger brought up and you brought up.

596
01:29:28,220 --> 01:29:36,420
I'm a majority of the sites because we talked about the 26 weekends going to 18 weekends and everything else.

597
01:29:36,420 --> 01:29:46,460
At this time, I believe in the joy of the sites I've been found that are within the scope of the work being done at this point working in Ford.

598
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:47,900
That's my understanding.

599
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:54,760
We'd never completely know that based on the information we have now, that yes.

600
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:59,960
So with that anticipation, moving forward, because we know things.

601
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:17,120
Please change and it's very fluid because it's been changing constantly. If there's a change to this, going forward into the future, we will be brought back another amendment to this budget and we will have to approve anything changing on it moving forward if there's additional cost.

602
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:18,440
That's correct.

603
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,860
That's enough questions for me right now.

604
01:30:20,860 --> 01:30:24,440
I have any other questions in the board for our jumping.

605
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,100
Today is responsible for managing this project on behalf of the County Crack.

606
01:30:29,260 --> 01:30:29,800
That's correct.

607
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:33,960
You guys drive our responsible drawing up the budget for this project, Crack.

608
01:30:34,140 --> 01:30:34,740
That's correct.

609
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,720
And last call, you came to do very,

610
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,800
then that came to this board and said,

611
01:30:39,980 --> 01:30:43,920
if you can't $14 million, we could finish this project, right?

612
01:30:44,860 --> 01:30:45,420
That's correct.

613
01:30:45,660 --> 01:30:48,240
So this board, from three of us,

614
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,900
in two days and down to our county,

615
01:30:52,020 --> 01:30:54,880
or some in the dollar county, making this happen.

616
01:30:55,580 --> 01:30:57,260
We know budget was drawn up.

617
01:30:57,540 --> 01:30:59,660
This contract is currently between Dubai

618
01:31:00,380 --> 01:31:02,080
and we walk track, correct?

619
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:02,840
That's correct.

620
01:31:03,260 --> 01:31:05,420
And so, when you did this, you did the budget,

621
01:31:05,620 --> 01:31:07,980
you did the budget looking at the rates

622
01:31:07,980 --> 01:31:09,760
that you were currently paying at that time,

623
01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:12,200
which was 35% more than what

624
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:13,940
CalTransfer reimbursement is, right?

625
01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:18,360
I'm not sure.

626
01:31:18,820 --> 01:31:19,160
I am.

627
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:20,660
So I wanted to say yes.

628
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:21,420
Okay.

629
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:22,780
So you're pretty good.

630
01:31:22,860 --> 01:31:27,960
So you had this budget, that you're good about, that included the rate, that was higher

631
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,280
than what Catherine did.

632
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:36,420
So, Tony, why you come in a really, really frank, yeah, 14 million bucks was a big

633
01:31:36,420 --> 01:31:39,400
push for this county and we really went to the line to get this time.

634
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:45,440
So, tell me why you put together a budget for this project that included the right, which

635
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:48,660
I assume included the right that you're currently paying.

636
01:31:49,220 --> 01:31:53,900
And now you're not nobody to back to this board to solve what I see is your problem.

637
01:31:55,260 --> 01:32:00,600
So, tell me why this is my problem and that you're a problem for duty, since you're in charge

638
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:01,460
of management's project.

639
01:32:02,140 --> 01:32:02,180
Sure.

640
01:32:02,180 --> 01:32:08,240
So I respect that and understand the, you know, your, your position.

641
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:17,680
I think when, when the badges were developed for the, for the additional money, the,

642
01:32:18,500 --> 01:32:29,620
the assumption for cultural hiring was less than what, what, what the request, what the

643
01:32:29,620 --> 01:32:37,020
that is from, you know, from the child manners. So when that budget was developed, there were

644
01:32:37,020 --> 01:32:47,440
numbers in there, and, you know, what the, what the ask was was just, it was far beyond anything

645
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:57,780
we could have touched it. And then we did another budget at the time. That you did this budget,

646
01:32:58,380 --> 01:33:02,440
That's hard to imagine. Sounds like we just figured out the counter-translate. So I guess

647
01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:10,160
as you budget it at 1.30. So I don't know that when the budget was established, I don't

648
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:17,780
know whether the detail that was done for establishing the budget as part of that 14 million.

649
01:33:17,860 --> 01:33:21,620
Well, I would hope to do very, very intimate knowledge of the budget. Since you guys are in charge

650
01:33:21,620 --> 01:33:26,280
of it and you made a commitment, you're going to get this done for the price that you put forward.

651
01:33:29,540 --> 01:33:39,940
Matt, Matt, I just want one other thing, you know, just in talks with Matt moving forward and the, you know,

652
01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:49,820
working towards getting this project finished and, you know, there's change orders, which we all have to understand, and which is part of the contract,

653
01:33:49,820 --> 01:33:56,920
on expansion of the budget moving forward and we, you know, that being understood,

654
01:33:59,000 --> 01:33:59,580
there was

655
01:33:59,580 --> 01:34:06,820
extra money put into the fore, you know, prediction on the budget at that time, because we were

656
01:34:06,820 --> 01:34:17,600
understanding that we already were exponentially above budget and so at that point, you know, predicting

657
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:23,040
And then, conservatively, we would throw in a certain percentage on that.

658
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:29,500
And are we already above that percentage because that was part of the original budget

659
01:34:29,500 --> 01:34:32,140
for my understanding that we put it forward?

660
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:38,920
We're not, but with the, you know, with the amendment request, we, you know, we would

661
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:41,520
be above the numbers that were sooner.

662
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:47,160
So we'll say, send of what happened after that.

663
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:55,840
After that, and at 14,000 what happened late last year, and December, with cash

664
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,940
16,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

665
01:34:58,940 --> 01:35:01,900
You know, more artifacts, resources discovered.

666
01:35:03,180 --> 01:35:08,120
So this is, it really, I understand the concern.

667
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:15,640
And, you know, at the same time this is a moving target, we have the, you know, the, the, the

668
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:21,480
rally of the, you know, of law and what is required to be done.

669
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:29,180
We're doing a best to manage everything and control costs as, as best as we can.

670
01:35:31,300 --> 01:35:33,600
What's your last talk about?

671
01:35:34,380 --> 01:35:41,260
Well, to be adequate about this, or originally, we were told by

672
01:35:41,260 --> 01:35:46,080
Dudesbury that we only needed $10 million to finish this project.

673
01:35:47,020 --> 01:35:51,260
Dennis A. Gar from CalTrans was the one that pumped it up to $14 million.

674
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,980
So actually, it's $4 million over the original estimate that we were given

675
01:35:55,980 --> 01:35:57,940
by Dudesbury to finish this project.

676
01:35:57,940 --> 01:36:03,760
So, now we're saying, if we don't do what we're doing here, I'm going to come back for a change order,

677
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:05,540
we're already going to be over budget.

678
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:14,580
So, if we were going to do it at 10 million, how are we going to 14 million if we were to settle for 10,

679
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,100
we would be not even close to completing the project.

680
01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:22,280
So, what are the adequate numbers here?

681
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,000
I mean, we're not going to be able to go back to CTC.

682
01:36:26,780 --> 01:36:31,260
We were very, very lucky if you know to get the money we got from them.

683
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:31,600
I did.

684
01:36:32,060 --> 01:36:32,420
I did.

685
01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:34,440
And how fast we got it.

686
01:36:34,540 --> 01:36:36,580
They wanted to push it off until October.

687
01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:42,180
But Dennis pushed for us and pushed up to $14 million.

688
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:51,080
So I'm a little bit at a loss as to what is happening here and is 14 going to be enough.

689
01:36:55,460 --> 01:37:04,020
And yeah, if this is a moving target, there, there,

690
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:04,980
can I jump in there for a while?

691
01:37:05,260 --> 01:37:06,240
Yeah, that's what I could.

692
01:37:06,420 --> 01:37:07,500
I just didn't know it was next time.

693
01:37:07,620 --> 01:37:08,120
I'm going to shut.

694
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:09,060
Do you want to defer?

695
01:37:09,660 --> 01:37:11,620
Yeah, I'm sorry.

696
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:12,320
I'm sorry.

697
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,160
I just agree.

698
01:37:14,300 --> 01:37:16,120
I think that I've been a part of this for a year,

699
01:37:16,340 --> 01:37:18,300
and the goal post changed every single time.

700
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,700
And I agree with my fellow supervisors.

701
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:25,680
I just feel that, that we've gone not me personally,

702
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:31,480
But the representatives that went down to fight for that money have gone above and beyond to get

703
01:37:31,480 --> 01:37:37,720
do very what they asked for and do very sold it to us, and countless meetings that they would

704
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,840
be able to do it and it feels like you're throwing it back at us right now.

705
01:37:41,860 --> 01:37:42,900
It's a great funder.

706
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:50,220
I, my question is actually for Robert, so in all of these references that the board keeps

707
01:37:50,220 --> 01:37:57,520
But you know, during those times, I also asked about women and how much this was going to hit them.

708
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:05,720
It never was described or clarified that we have been overcompensating and taken money out of

709
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:12,400
room to furthest. And I know some of it was to get this project moving and we are trying to do what

710
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:19,880
is really what was good, not what those rates were from cartoons.

711
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:29,760
So why wasn't that fully, even when you got the CIP, why would that not clarify in the budget

712
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:30,780
with the room funds?

713
01:38:30,940 --> 01:38:34,680
Because that's been one of the biggest things is so we don't have to touch them.

714
01:38:35,060 --> 01:38:39,720
Yes, I understand when you perform most of us, we even on this board, you know, and even

715
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:46,640
to you, Connie committed a lot of money out of them, but then, but that we worked very hard

716
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:54,200
to get the work programs. We spent years programming this money and we are now here with

717
01:38:54,200 --> 01:39:00,680
this amount of money and I do feel, you know, I think everyone went to the table on December

718
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:07,260
and we're on it, but why wasn't that triggered? Why wasn't that red flag that the tribe had been

719
01:39:07,260 --> 01:39:13,760
getting the stuff to the, or somehow I've been getting the stuff to the item room, we were

720
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:18,340
feeling the gap of that without the full reimbursement of our print.

721
01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:23,020
I mean, because at the end of the day, if we go forward and we build, we've got to find out

722
01:39:23,020 --> 01:39:26,760
where that difference is going to come, because conferences are going to reimbursement based

723
01:39:27,260 --> 01:39:34,800
on the based on what is already programmed for this, and so I guess to you, why wasn't that

724
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:39,460
that never red flag, especially time and time again when I kept asking about women in

725
01:39:39,460 --> 01:39:40,220
the impact of women.

726
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:50,420
The work that was done last year was, no one has come out of green yet and for that difference

727
01:39:50,420 --> 01:39:56,080
in that work that we discussed, that was all required to the invoicing to Caltrance.

728
01:39:56,600 --> 01:40:00,480
So we've been invoicing Caltrance for all of the costs.

729
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:08,940
There are some local match requirements that we have that's coming out of the ring.

730
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:14,020
Nothing's been spent there yet, and we also have some right away requirements.

731
01:40:14,740 --> 01:40:16,940
Again, that's not been spent.

732
01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:21,740
I have a report that I'm looking to putting your hands that shows you those numbers,

733
01:40:22,380 --> 01:40:23,680
so you could have all of that.

734
01:40:24,980 --> 01:40:29,440
But right now we haven't pulled anything out of ring yet.

735
01:40:30,220 --> 01:40:34,640
So how does the only commitment to the $1.9 million that we have?

736
01:40:34,740 --> 01:40:35,580
That's still in there.

737
01:40:35,820 --> 01:40:38,940
Which was more than what you originally asked worse.

738
01:40:39,480 --> 01:40:42,540
And then the cooperative agreement more in there and we've bumped it up.

739
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:43,460
One point now.

740
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,300
Those are for the cooperative agreements.

741
01:40:46,820 --> 01:40:51,660
So my other question is, and it's giving me a comment.

742
01:40:52,300 --> 01:40:56,440
And then is moving forward.

743
01:40:56,440 --> 01:41:02,040
But if you're not able to get something from current, because we do have this $14 million

744
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:07,400
that are early program, and helping another year of this product is not in the best

745
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:15,940
interest of anyone, it's actually going to cost a lot more, how soon will we know it will

746
01:41:15,940 --> 01:41:23,980
be resolved with the tribe, or are we going to have to ask current for recommendations of an

747
01:41:23,980 --> 01:41:30,380
of monitoring, which I don't want to go down. We should not be leaving our outside of this

748
01:41:30,380 --> 01:41:37,220
county, but at the same time, the cars to stop and to be threatened to stop this project,

749
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:42,980
this further down the line. It's not something I have any appetite for, and if we have to do research

750
01:41:42,980 --> 01:41:52,160
outside, I don't want to know, because I hope to see that, but we can't be 15 million dollars on the line

751
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:56,500
When the two of us have been best in our back, going down to the state, getting this money.

752
01:41:57,940 --> 01:42:03,140
We're not contemplating anything like that going to another.

753
01:42:03,700 --> 01:42:10,840
The time that that will take and the complications of that kind of discussion.

754
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:13,060
No, we're not contemplating anything like that.

755
01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:17,560
I just wanted to ask if Robert, you would clarify what ribbon funds are for the audience.

756
01:42:17,980 --> 01:42:19,920
Well, it's what ribbon funds are normally used for.

757
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:26,800
Okay, those are the road impact mitigation fee program was put together in 2004.

758
01:42:27,620 --> 01:42:35,940
There were certain roads that were included within that road impact mitigation fee program.

759
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:45,920
And so the impact of new development is supposed to pay for increased capacity on those roads.

760
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:57,380
That's how the RIMP fee for each residence was determined based on a cost estimate in the distribution of the cost to the new development.

761
01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:09,580
So for the Widen Trail, the Widen Trail was identified as a project within the RIMP program,

762
01:43:09,580 --> 01:43:23,420
And that that's been there ever since, so that's why those road impact notification fee funds that are collected from new development can be used for that project.

763
01:43:23,980 --> 01:43:30,580
Those funds can't be used for maintenance, they can't be used for any roads that are not on that list.

764
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:38,040
And for, you know, currently most of those funds are being used for the Wagon Trail project.

765
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,020
Thank you.

766
01:43:40,260 --> 01:43:41,160
Sue has just pepper.

767
01:43:42,380 --> 01:43:44,960
Well, you know, we just went over,

768
01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:46,920
because earlier you brought up, you know,

769
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,900
the total for, for, for last year,

770
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,920
which my question on last year's,

771
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,160
whether it was a, you know,

772
01:43:54,420 --> 01:43:58,340
fiscal, annual year when you talked about budget.

773
01:43:58,520 --> 01:43:59,520
It was beyond yours.

774
01:43:59,620 --> 01:44:00,520
It was six months.

775
01:44:00,620 --> 01:44:02,600
So we're just talking about 23, 2020.

776
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:04,620
That, that said,

777
01:44:04,940 --> 01:44:07,500
you said $475,000 total,

778
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:13,960
which was 125,000 over, which he said at that point would come out of RIM, but it hasn't been

779
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:21,440
applied at this time, and because that money came in, so you did the draw from the 14 million

780
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:30,120
that came in to be able to sustain it. That said, to follow up, that originally I said,

781
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:35,920
you know, I support keeping it in county. It's valuable that we have a local tribe members

782
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,640
that are able to be able to still take the work

783
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,560
and I agree with Ms. Bollendorf, as she said.

784
01:44:42,740 --> 01:44:46,820
And going to outside cultural resources,

785
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:49,700
I don't believe that they're really available at this time

786
01:44:49,700 --> 01:44:52,740
from the state level and everything we have to go through.

787
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:55,280
I don't think we would be held up forever.

788
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:57,700
So which brings me a next question.

789
01:44:59,060 --> 01:44:59,960
And it...

790
01:45:00,110 --> 01:45:04,310
Councils are at last, Deborah, question, because.

791
01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:11,910
Thank you, sir. Deborah, do you and tell if this cannot be resolved?

792
01:45:12,290 --> 01:45:15,630
Do you want to resolve this? We want to resolve this. We want to resolve this.

793
01:45:15,630 --> 01:45:17,850
Do you want to hold it up if they aren't going to work with you?

794
01:45:17,850 --> 01:45:23,630
It's not about holding it up. I want to clarify that when they're talking about this percentage going up,

795
01:45:23,730 --> 01:45:28,290
how would look at a thing years ago when I would do work for the county?

796
01:45:29,070 --> 01:45:31,530
And it was very low rate.

797
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:34,450
Try to prove me to do these little side areas,

798
01:45:34,830 --> 01:45:35,790
at a certain rate.

799
01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:39,370
Our rate is, all the overhead and everything,

800
01:45:40,090 --> 01:45:42,870
and what happened here is our rates are the same PG&E,

801
01:45:43,470 --> 01:45:44,570
CCWD, everyone.

802
01:45:46,430 --> 01:45:49,230
Now, the percentages talking about is,

803
01:45:49,230 --> 01:45:53,070
for the year 2024, which is a 3.2 approval

804
01:45:53,070 --> 01:45:54,050
through the federal.

805
01:45:55,410 --> 01:45:56,990
We have no problem staying up to date.

806
01:45:56,990 --> 01:45:59,970
and we'll be forward to negotiations, okay?

807
01:46:00,330 --> 01:46:01,510
Like we have been doing.

808
01:46:02,170 --> 01:46:04,350
We're not here to hold the project up

809
01:46:04,350 --> 01:46:06,910
and to clarify, you can't go out

810
01:46:06,910 --> 01:46:09,410
and ask for other tribes to come in or other sources.

811
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:12,470
This is our area we're here to work together.

812
01:46:12,770 --> 01:46:16,310
We sat at that board meeting with you,

813
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:19,890
right, to get this millions of dollars

814
01:46:19,890 --> 01:46:21,510
to help pay back.

815
01:46:22,170 --> 01:46:23,610
We're not here to stop your project.

816
01:46:24,210 --> 01:46:25,510
Okay, we want to move forward,

817
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:34,190
where we're successful together, but as well as not taking funding away from us to that hourly

818
01:46:34,190 --> 01:46:37,890
rate and that's just not paying just for employee. That's paying for all the other things

819
01:46:37,890 --> 01:46:44,510
that come into play with business. Thank you, answer my question. I just have to say one with

820
01:46:44,510 --> 01:46:53,570
the health transfer, I'm sorry, health transfer shared with Robert and Howard Friday at a private

821
01:46:53,570 --> 01:47:01,090
little who's in meeting our negotiations with Cal Trans is what happened as one of the firm

822
01:47:01,090 --> 01:47:08,050
folks did not present the increase yearly. And finally, that has came into effect.

823
01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:16,430
Yes, and they're working on that. I agree with you. And so final question Robert and thank you

824
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:22,530
to Drew Barry is they had a going rate that they're going to stay out and right now you're

825
01:47:22,530 --> 01:47:26,790
We do think that rate moving forward and you're trying to reduce the rate as opposed to

826
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:30,050
what we've been paying the last ever since we started this project.

827
01:47:31,390 --> 01:47:33,050
Not ever since.

828
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:34,310
Not ever since.

829
01:47:34,490 --> 01:47:42,490
But we were paying them and now we're paying that in your turn around and reducing it.

830
01:47:42,510 --> 01:47:43,590
That was my question.

831
01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:48,890
Just when that's kind of a call for public comment on this issue, you know, I got to tell

832
01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:55,210
when we're this far down the road and the engineers leading this, say things are fluid and we're trying

833
01:47:55,210 --> 01:48:03,030
to fill it out out, that is no bueno. I mean we are committed, we are not, that makes me incredibly

834
01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:08,030
nervous and I do look forward to seeing your last contractment that to see how we dealt with

835
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:13,270
the cultural resources because it kind of feels like you probably already had that in your budget

836
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:18,590
and you're asking for additional funds or we'll have to dig into that deeper.

837
01:48:19,170 --> 01:48:21,510
I'm going to call for public comment on this item.

838
01:48:22,010 --> 01:48:24,530
Anybody from the public to speak on this?

839
01:48:26,590 --> 01:48:27,970
You see, nobody is there anybody online?

840
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:32,640
There are no online requests.

841
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:38,360
In that case, I will bring it back to the board for discussion on our action.

842
01:48:40,360 --> 01:48:41,140
Anybody have a comment?

843
01:48:41,380 --> 01:48:42,100
They want to make on this.

844
01:48:42,220 --> 01:48:42,640
We're a motion.

845
01:48:45,900 --> 01:48:47,560
What are the choices with that?

846
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,240
Because right now, they're asking for more money.

847
01:48:50,340 --> 01:48:52,540
You were saying, why is it more money?

848
01:48:55,060 --> 01:48:58,520
And then we're saying, I'm hearing that they're

849
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:02,800
reducing the amount that we've been paying according to last amendment.

850
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:07,160
And we would, you know, my thought is like,

851
01:49:07,380 --> 01:49:09,300
keep paying what we're paying them.

852
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:14,600
But then that would cost more than the budget adjustment here,

853
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:15,860
according what they're paying for.

854
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:23,400
I make a, I mean, is this going to hold up the project, do we table it and bring it back?

855
01:49:25,140 --> 01:49:26,980
I don't know what to do then.

856
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:30,640
So, other questions to ask for on this?

857
01:49:30,980 --> 01:49:38,840
I, to keep the project going because of the demo cost and removing the cost.

858
01:49:38,860 --> 01:49:41,300
If we delay that, that will hurt us.

859
01:49:41,300 --> 01:49:50,020
I would move to move this item on the contingency that Robert would get back in front of this board.

860
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:53,920
It shouldn't be possible to discuss all the concerns that the board has right now.

861
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:55,000
Okay.

862
01:49:55,180 --> 01:49:55,640
Is that a motion?

863
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:56,300
Yes.

864
01:49:56,860 --> 01:49:58,560
We have a motion on the table, screwdriver.

865
01:49:58,960 --> 01:49:59,460
I'll second.

866
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:01,300
The motion is second.

867
01:50:04,860 --> 01:50:12,140
Yeah, I just, I, I, I, I would like to, I feel like a pin-a-gun right here to keep this

868
01:50:12,140 --> 01:50:12,880
project moving.

869
01:50:13,300 --> 01:50:16,820
I'm actually quite upset that we're doing this in January, especially since we could have

870
01:50:16,820 --> 01:50:23,120
been doing this in the fall when we did our budget adjustments, but it's near here and over there,

871
01:50:23,180 --> 01:50:25,240
we have a motion and a second on the table.

872
01:50:26,940 --> 01:50:35,060
Okay, we'll call the district one yes district two no

873
01:50:35,980 --> 01:50:38,200
District three yes

874
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,000
District four yes

875
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:46,640
District five three fifths

876
01:50:49,260 --> 01:50:52,040
now passes

877
01:50:52,540 --> 01:50:56,880
Three two thank you

878
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:58,740
Thomas I just got it

879
01:57:59,700 --> 01:58:03,500
All right, on the regular agenda, thank you all for being patient.

880
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:06,980
Stacy, will you read a sentence?

881
01:58:07,460 --> 01:58:07,560
Yes.

882
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,800
Item 18, informational item, administrative office.

883
01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:14,860
Receive a presentation from LDA partners, Inc.

884
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:19,700
Regarding the phase one programming and conceptual design for the new animal shelter.

885
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:21,640
Jamie, are you interested in this?

886
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:26,120
I am good morning, Chair, and on other members of the Boyd, Jamie, Andrea, led administration

887
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:26,760
department.

888
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:32,340
I'm here today to introduce Eric from LVA partners as you know the county and April contracted

889
01:58:32,340 --> 01:58:37,520
with LVA partners to do phase 1, the programming and conceptual design for the new animal

890
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:37,840
shelter.

891
01:58:38,260 --> 01:58:40,420
So I will let Eric leave the way.

892
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:43,000
All right.

893
01:58:43,580 --> 01:58:44,120
Give me a minute here.

894
01:58:44,280 --> 01:58:45,220
I'll figure out my second.

895
01:58:46,380 --> 01:58:48,800
And if I can remind you, I'll be speaking directly into the microphones.

896
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:49,020
Right.

897
01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:50,600
If I have an hard time hearing.

898
01:58:57,960 --> 01:58:58,140
All right.

899
01:58:58,140 --> 01:58:58,520
Good morning.

900
01:58:58,560 --> 01:58:59,460
Members of the board.

901
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:04,760
Happy to be here today and talk to you about the results of our first phase of phase one for

902
01:59:04,760 --> 01:59:09,200
programming and conceptual design of the Future Caliburis County Animal Shelter.

903
01:59:09,900 --> 01:59:13,820
So I wanted to start out by kind of explaining a little bit of the process that we did

904
01:59:13,820 --> 01:59:16,660
over the past few months, and how we got to here.

905
01:59:17,100 --> 01:59:21,760
So kind of give you the readers' digest version, if you will, of A to Z, on how we did our

906
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:23,520
work and what we're presenting to you today.

907
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:28,240
So the first thing we do is we want to establish what the project goals are, and those

908
01:59:28,240 --> 01:59:30,220
goals will be different for any individual.

909
01:59:30,780 --> 01:59:36,420
We look at a facility serving modern needs, a facility needs to be durable because the

910
01:59:36,420 --> 01:59:37,840
extreme abuse that it takes.

911
01:59:38,380 --> 01:59:43,540
We want to make sure we're using quality materials so that we may have a good, we're

912
01:59:43,540 --> 01:59:46,860
not investing the budget in maintenance five years down the road, if you will.

913
01:59:47,460 --> 01:59:50,520
We need to be energy compliance for state of California building coats.

914
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:54,400
But maybe more importantly, we need to have comprehensive animal care.

915
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:57,460
And we need to be welcoming to the general public and the staff.

916
01:59:57,460 --> 01:59:59,980
So a lot of times when we forget about the staff...

917
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,700
But it actually has to work in an animal shelter and we focus on the animals themselves, but we really need to have a cohesive meaning of the minds if you will.

918
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:17,320
And so when you start animal shelters, I really start looking at three core principles is what I kind of establish our parameters.

919
02:00:18,180 --> 02:00:21,520
So that first principle is what I refer to as the city and county perspective.

920
02:00:22,060 --> 02:00:27,560
And that's what we're mandated to do by the state of California. So there are certain services that you're required to do by state by mandate.

921
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:31,220
Those can be animal care, animal control, et cetera.

922
02:00:31,660 --> 02:00:34,560
Some of them may do in-house, something you may contract out.

923
02:00:35,660 --> 02:00:39,340
The next perspective is what I refer to as the moral perspective.

924
02:00:39,960 --> 02:00:42,540
And that's what we should be doing for animal welfare.

925
02:00:42,900 --> 02:00:46,520
How should we be treating our animals, our dogs, our cats, and animals to be

926
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:50,540
bringing into the shelter that may not necessarily be mandated by law?

927
02:00:51,300 --> 02:00:54,280
And that third perspective is really what I refer to as,

928
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:56,160
bringing those two environments together.

929
02:00:56,160 --> 02:01:02,920
We have the human environment where the staff and the general public comes in and then we have the animal environment and they have to be

930
02:01:02,920 --> 02:01:04,340
motioned together, they have to be cohesive.

931
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:12,560
We have two different species that, you know, can't talk to each other, so we have to be able to understand their movements and their stress levels and how they interact with each other.

932
02:01:13,100 --> 02:01:19,100
So all that is really difficult to do because when we're talking about animal shelters, we're talking about different types of building projects.

933
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:21,600
So we have a custody environment, much like a jail.

934
02:01:22,140 --> 02:01:27,440
So we have to have hardened surfaces that can be baseball that proof or not proof if you will.

935
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:31,900
Then we have to have medical environment because we have to treat animals with medical care.

936
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:37,040
So a lot of times we have sterile surfaces, medical gases, just like you would in a medical clinic.

937
02:01:37,700 --> 02:01:44,300
And then we have to take those two very institutional types of projects and mention together and create a more retail environment.

938
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:48,140
So that the community becomes a community asset.

939
02:01:48,140 --> 02:01:50,080
And so it's not an institutional building.

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02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:53,300
It becomes a community hub where people can come together.

941
02:01:53,820 --> 02:01:55,080
They can rejoice from the animals.

942
02:01:55,340 --> 02:01:56,260
You can actually rent it out.

943
02:01:56,340 --> 02:01:58,220
You can have parties, events, at the shelter.

944
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:00,140
So we're really trying to create a place

945
02:02:00,140 --> 02:02:02,600
where the community comes together as opposed to where we just

946
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:03,420
housed animals.

947
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:05,760
And that's how we start our project.

948
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:09,160
So the first thing I want to do is

949
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:10,960
tell you about how we established our program.

950
02:02:11,140 --> 02:02:14,580
So the program is the basis like the building blocks

951
02:02:14,580 --> 02:02:15,860
and how we build the facility.

952
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:17,940
And we look at lots of different things.

953
02:02:17,940 --> 02:02:22,720
So we start with understanding what the right size for your facility is.

954
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:26,680
Your facility has a specific need that is different that's going to be in Sacramento.

955
02:02:26,860 --> 02:02:29,820
That's different that's going to be in Medesto or different that's going to be in San Diego.

956
02:02:30,260 --> 02:02:34,580
So we want to make sure we're right-size in the facility for your specific needs.

957
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:37,860
So we look and gather statistical data from the past.

958
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:40,940
How have you treated animals? How many adoptions have you had out?

959
02:02:40,940 --> 02:02:43,260
How many animals do you bring in? What's the average length of stay?

960
02:02:43,260 --> 02:02:49,000
So, we take that data and we extrapolate out for projected needs for now and then looking

961
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,820
in five years, 10 years down the road.

962
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:53,700
So, we take a look at all your data.

963
02:02:54,100 --> 02:02:58,020
We make sure that we're addressing your specific needs, we're listening to your staff,

964
02:02:58,180 --> 02:03:02,560
we're listening to your community, to make sure that what we're putting together is really

965
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:05,420
the needs for Calvary's County and not another jurisdiction.

966
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,580
So, you see on the screen here, some of the ways we do it, we use building blocks to identify

967
02:03:09,580 --> 02:03:11,200
by how different places can go together.

968
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:15,360
We look at pictures, what's kind of like a word association, if you will.

969
02:03:15,620 --> 02:03:18,680
And when we put that all together into a written program.

970
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:22,680
So what you see on the screen right now is actually the program for Calabarish County.

971
02:03:23,180 --> 02:03:29,080
This is the needs and the wishes for your staff and your community to build a new modern shelter.

972
02:03:29,500 --> 02:03:31,600
And we've broken it out into different areas.

973
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:38,000
So you'll see we have public areas, animal habitats, areas for staff and support and intake and adoption.

974
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:42,880
And so we break all those areas out, and we apply how big that space should be.

975
02:03:43,260 --> 02:03:47,300
So for instance, the very first line on there is the lobby, 350 square feet.

976
02:03:47,780 --> 02:03:49,740
And then for all these spaces, we apply a multiplier.

977
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:53,040
And that's referred to as an area factor or a grossing factor.

978
02:03:53,580 --> 02:03:57,860
And that accommodates for raw thicknesses, dot chases, utility chases, things like that.

979
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:04,080
And so we'll notice, as we do out to different areas, different sub-headings may have different

980
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:08,640
And that's because of the types of materials that we need to use in these individual spaces

981
02:04:08,640 --> 02:04:11,680
where the mechanical or plumbing systems within.

982
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:18,900
And so with this, we have an overall project program of roughly around 10,000 square feet.

983
02:04:19,180 --> 02:04:20,820
That's if we could build everything all at once.

984
02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:23,660
That's the needs that we've identified for Calaveras County.

985
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:31,560
So what we need to do now is look at how we put those together in a cohesive plan for your specific needs.

986
02:04:33,900 --> 02:04:37,660
But before we do that, I want to give you a little bit of background on your current

987
02:04:37,660 --> 02:04:38,000
shelter.

988
02:04:38,380 --> 02:04:40,460
These are images of your current shelter.

989
02:04:41,780 --> 02:04:44,220
So the top is kind of dog habitats.

990
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:46,620
The bottom is cat habitats.

991
02:04:47,220 --> 02:04:51,600
And what we see here is something that's very typical of a shelter that was built in the kind

992
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:53,140
of early mid 70s.

993
02:04:53,500 --> 02:04:57,920
But maybe most importantly, what we see here does not meet in any way, shape, or form the

994
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:00,060
current standards of care for animal care.

995
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:07,520
And that has changed tremendously over the past few decades, even 15 years ago, we're doing

996
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:08,840
things a little bit differently now.

997
02:05:09,620 --> 02:05:13,700
So as we look at different animal shelters and our standards, one thing that's kind

998
02:05:13,700 --> 02:05:17,400
of hard to, a little bit of hard to understand is if you look in the building code, you're

999
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:21,280
not going to see a section in the building code that says, I need to have X number square feet

1000
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:23,620
for a dog or X number square feet for a cat.

1001
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:29,600
The standards for animal care are established by different trade entities, so the SPCA or

1002
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:33,320
the American Society of Veterinary Care, or EC Davis,

1003
02:05:33,780 --> 02:05:35,540
of course, Royal Veterinary Medicine.

1004
02:05:36,060 --> 02:05:37,720
Ver the ones who established the standards,

1005
02:05:38,180 --> 02:05:40,040
and the how they're enforced is through litigation.

1006
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:42,860
Much like ADA is enforced through litigation.

1007
02:05:43,580 --> 02:05:46,180
And so those standards have become the de facto norm

1008
02:05:46,180 --> 02:05:47,540
throughout the United States.

1009
02:05:48,220 --> 02:05:51,840
And so those, ever, always evolving, much like ADA does.

1010
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:55,120
Every building code cycle you see ADA upgrades,

1011
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:57,840
that those standards have evolved over time.

1012
02:05:57,840 --> 02:05:59,660
And so that's what we're using now.

1013
02:06:00,240 --> 02:06:03,740
So they have established a minimum size for dog habitats

1014
02:06:03,740 --> 02:06:07,560
for cat habitats, air changes, plumbing, and things like that.

1015
02:06:08,020 --> 02:06:09,300
And so we look at those crunch standards

1016
02:06:09,300 --> 02:06:10,780
and look at your current facility.

1017
02:06:11,300 --> 02:06:14,000
Some of the things that we see in dog habitats

1018
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,460
are child infancy drains that slope out

1019
02:06:17,460 --> 02:06:20,500
towards the staff member, that promotes contamination

1020
02:06:20,500 --> 02:06:23,260
and disease, because we have fecal matter

1021
02:06:23,260 --> 02:06:30,060
or other things that are bacteria in the canals that can get on people's feet, and that

1022
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:35,900
get transferred to another location. And so for dog habitats, we always want to see drains

1023
02:06:35,900 --> 02:06:41,020
that flow towards the back. We see materials that are non-absorptive, so while we may have

1024
02:06:41,020 --> 02:06:46,000
a concrete or concretemasonally base, we always put epoxy or non-absorptant surface over

1025
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:52,120
the top. Your facility right here is concrete, but concrete is very durable, it's very

1026
02:06:52,120 --> 02:06:57,800
animal, urnates, or defigates in a cano that is being absorbed in the concrete and once it gets in that

1027
02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:05,820
concrete it is impossible to get out. Your cat habitats here we have a lot of back of house program

1028
02:07:05,820 --> 02:07:11,140
areas which we see in the middle of the adoption area and so we try to separate those out. We try to keep

1029
02:07:11,140 --> 02:07:17,700
where our adoptions are separate from where our medical and back of house or operational program

1030
02:07:17,700 --> 02:07:19,000
aspects take place.

1031
02:07:21,220 --> 02:07:24,920
So, as we look at new shelters, we have different ideas that we would

1032
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:29,340
like to do. As I mentioned before, we try to make this a place for a community connectivity

1033
02:07:29,340 --> 02:07:33,380
or a place where people want to come to the facility. And that starts at the front door if the

1034
02:07:33,380 --> 02:07:37,560
first impression, if you will. So, some of the things we would like to do is make good first impression

1035
02:07:37,560 --> 02:07:41,320
and that the entry. So, let's just see on the screen, are some examples of different shelters

1036
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:47,260
throughout the country, somewhere where we're relatively close to San Andreas here, and we don't need

1037
02:07:47,260 --> 02:07:52,820
But basically what we're trying to do is create a patio or a place of entry for people to come in.

1038
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:55,840
And so when they're bringing in animal in or taking animal out,

1039
02:07:56,260 --> 02:08:01,340
the animal has a chance to adapt from the inside to the vehicle where they may be coming from,

1040
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:03,040
and that helps them put that in ease.

1041
02:08:05,560 --> 02:08:10,280
But look at cat habitats, cats are in the shelter and road a little bit more fun

1042
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:13,360
because they're very reactive to human interaction.

1043
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:17,880
And so we'd like to see some cats up front, and so you can get a front and personal.

1044
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:23,120
So you can see some images here of modern cat habitats, where people can actually go into the space,

1045
02:08:23,720 --> 02:08:28,220
play with them, but they're very, very visual from the front door.

1046
02:08:28,660 --> 02:08:31,860
Cats also like to climb, they like to hide out, they like to interact.

1047
02:08:33,060 --> 02:08:37,500
So you see different habitats, images on the screen here where cats can go hide.

1048
02:08:37,700 --> 02:08:39,060
They can climb on a wall.

1049
02:08:39,300 --> 02:08:42,280
We also like to be able to put them inside and outside.

1050
02:08:42,780 --> 02:08:46,580
And so maybe spot where the cat can go through animal door,

1051
02:08:46,580 --> 02:08:50,320
to the outside, it's still in closed, but it can still play and get the natural error.

1052
02:08:51,460 --> 02:08:58,780
So from a habitat standpoint, we'd like to see about 15 square feet per cat, and all

1053
02:08:58,780 --> 02:09:02,720
habitat, all cat habitats and dog habitats, I should say, are always divided.

1054
02:09:03,360 --> 02:09:09,980
So you may have a habitat as a whole, which would be 15 square feet, but it's divisible where

1055
02:09:09,980 --> 02:09:14,860
you have where a cat might use it a litter or food that's separate from where it actually

1056
02:09:14,860 --> 02:09:15,120
lives.

1057
02:09:15,120 --> 02:09:18,640
That's for these control and let the animal have some privacy.

1058
02:09:19,180 --> 02:09:20,360
The same thing applies for dogs.

1059
02:09:22,020 --> 02:09:25,560
We'd like to see double-sided and vertical and horizontal

1060
02:09:25,560 --> 02:09:28,460
separations in cat habitats, most like all animals,

1061
02:09:28,660 --> 02:09:30,980
we'd like to have natural light and visual enrichment.

1062
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:34,080
And that's one of the things that's really lacking in the current

1063
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:34,480
facility.

1064
02:09:37,940 --> 02:09:40,600
Now before I get into dogs, I wanted to talk to you a little bit

1065
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:43,680
about noise control because noise control in dog habitats

1066
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:44,800
is paramount.

1067
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,440
There's been lots of studies, group commission, many

1068
02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:50,640
them over the years, how to control dog noise.

1069
02:09:51,120 --> 02:09:52,660
You know, one of the first studies that we commissioned

1070
02:09:52,660 --> 02:09:57,760
when we took our acoustical engineer going to an animal space

1071
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:00,280
and they measured how loud that animals were,

1072
02:10:00,620 --> 02:10:03,120
they found that it was actually louder than the MD80 taking off.

1073
02:10:03,540 --> 02:10:06,020
So that's how loud that space can actually be louder

1074
02:10:06,020 --> 02:10:07,520
than the jet airplane taking off.

1075
02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,480
So we can imagine the stress that the animals feel

1076
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:14,200
in that space also the staff that has to work there.

1077
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:16,400
If you're a staff member and you are constantly

1078
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:21,540
just, um, bras by that amount of noise. It's going to take a toll. So we can do

1079
02:10:21,540 --> 02:10:25,600
something for dog habitats, uh, but don't cost anything, or it costs very

1080
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:29,500
little. The first thing is to have the number of dogs. If we had a room

1081
02:10:29,500 --> 02:10:33,460
of about 20 dogs and we just have that, then we can reduce about 8 to 10

1082
02:10:33,460 --> 02:10:37,460
decibels from there, and that's easy to do. So our dog habitats, we try to keep

1083
02:10:37,460 --> 02:10:41,540
no bigger than 8 to 10 dogs in there. We look at how we can put noise

1084
02:10:41,540 --> 02:10:45,380
of drugs and materials in spaces. We typically like to see them on the ceiling

1085
02:10:45,380 --> 02:10:47,580
because we can get more bang for our buck that way,

1086
02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:49,640
we get more sound control for our dollar.

1087
02:10:50,640 --> 02:10:52,720
We also haven't want to make sure that we have sound separation.

1088
02:10:53,640 --> 02:10:55,580
So the image on the left-hand side of your screen

1089
02:10:55,580 --> 02:10:59,620
just kind of shows a hurting area where you may have a wall between those two animal habitats.

1090
02:10:59,940 --> 02:11:02,200
There's always a sound break that goes all the way up to the ceiling.

1091
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:06,720
That keeps noise from traveling above the ceiling plane into the next room.

1092
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,460
If we have a violation of that wall,

1093
02:11:09,780 --> 02:11:14,840
noise will find the hole and get through and that's going to create a larger noise than the space.

1094
02:11:18,930 --> 02:11:26,290
So, what you see here, our examples of dog habitats, modern dog habitats, and some of these are, again, our shelters that are very close.

1095
02:11:26,430 --> 02:11:32,630
I think actually all these images here are for shelters that are either in Sacramento, outgrow, or Medesto area.

1096
02:11:33,410 --> 02:11:42,530
So, as I mentioned to you, before our dog habitats are divided, much like the cats habitat are, a typical dog habitat is four by six feet times two.

1097
02:11:42,530 --> 02:11:46,170
So each half of that dog habitat is going to be four by six feet.

1098
02:11:46,450 --> 02:11:51,510
It's divided by a stainless steel D&T in door so that if you need to clean one half of the

1099
02:11:51,510 --> 02:11:55,970
the kennel, you can shut that door and move the animal to one side, clean it, and then

1100
02:11:55,970 --> 02:11:58,790
you can repeat that process for the other side.

1101
02:12:01,580 --> 02:12:05,200
One of the things with dogs, depending upon the dog that you have, we sometimes have larger

1102
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:12,640
kennels because of the size of the dog, well cats are typically one size, dogs range, and lots of

1103
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:15,420
We were running from Chihuahua as to great gains.

1104
02:12:15,780 --> 02:12:19,120
And so the habitats that we use sometimes need to be a little bit bigger.

1105
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:24,660
And they'd be also used in more flexible scenarios where you might have a dog that has puppies.

1106
02:12:25,400 --> 02:12:27,420
So we have a lot of flexibility in our dog habitats.

1107
02:12:28,500 --> 02:12:31,860
We typically try to have interior and exterior dog habitats.

1108
02:12:32,140 --> 02:12:33,280
That's one of the standards.

1109
02:12:33,860 --> 02:12:40,000
If we need to establish cost saving measures, we can move those dog habitats all indoors,

1110
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:44,380
which is what you see in the upper left hand, immature, where they have a tattoo on all

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02:12:44,380 --> 02:12:44,700
indoors.

1112
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:50,200
But in order to get that indoor outdoor field, we've created large garage doors if

1113
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:50,660
you will.

1114
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:54,820
So when that weather is nice, we can open those up, have the weather flow come in, and have

1115
02:12:54,820 --> 02:12:58,200
a nice breeze, and it creates more of an interior exterior atmosphere.

1116
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:02,420
I can't always typically stay in the store, they always have tops on them, and as I mentioned

1117
02:13:02,420 --> 02:13:04,760
you before, they have epoxy coatings around them.

1118
02:13:04,760 --> 02:13:09,640
that's to keep different fluids from being absorbed

1119
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:11,520
into the masonry or concrete.

1120
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:14,440
One of the things I asked to also mention

1121
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:17,060
about the kennels is the very plumbing

1122
02:13:17,060 --> 02:13:19,460
and mechanical system intensive.

1123
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:22,520
So every side of that kennel, it has a drain,

1124
02:13:22,720 --> 02:13:24,320
and that's to be able to clean it.

1125
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:26,560
The energy changes that we typically see

1126
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:30,000
in animal habitats are 15 energy changes per hour.

1127
02:13:30,200 --> 02:13:31,500
Again, that's a standard that's been set

1128
02:13:31,500 --> 02:13:33,180
by those various trade trades.

1129
02:13:33,180 --> 02:13:35,600
So, what that really means is every four minutes

1130
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:37,520
we're completely changing out the air.

1131
02:13:37,660 --> 02:13:38,740
We're exhausting the air.

1132
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:40,180
We're taking it from the outside.

1133
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,540
We're conditioning it down to a tolerable environment

1134
02:13:43,540 --> 02:13:45,820
and then we're exhausting it right back out

1135
02:13:45,820 --> 02:13:46,740
into the atmosphere again.

1136
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:49,100
I'm like this room right here

1137
02:13:49,100 --> 02:13:50,120
where we're taking that air,

1138
02:13:50,220 --> 02:13:51,900
we're conditioning and restructuring it.

1139
02:13:52,260 --> 02:13:54,360
Animal habitats, we exhaust the air back out

1140
02:13:54,360 --> 02:13:56,540
and that's to prevent disease contamination.

1141
02:13:57,360 --> 02:13:58,580
So, that's one of the things that makes

1142
02:13:58,580 --> 02:14:00,060
animal shelters a little bit unique

1143
02:14:00,060 --> 02:14:00,920
in the building world

1144
02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:07,040
Because we have to use different types of mechanical systems and plumbing systems that we don't necessarily use in the human world.

1145
02:14:11,860 --> 02:14:25,000
Some of the other spaces that a lot of the public may not necessarily see, but are needed for a new facility, areas for laundry, laundry is unbelievably intense in an animal facility.

1146
02:14:25,820 --> 02:14:27,980
It happens all the time.

1147
02:14:27,980 --> 02:14:33,940
So we use washers and dryers that are commercial grade because the residential ones won't last a week because that's so much

1148
02:14:33,940 --> 02:14:39,120
long to that we're going through. We have dishwasher and food prep. We typically have stainless steel

1149
02:14:39,120 --> 02:14:46,540
counters for mixing food. This is dog wash. We have washing components much like you're getting your own kitchen.

1150
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:52,170
So dish washers, they can be a residential grade or commercial grade or really kind of depends on the facility and

1151
02:14:52,170 --> 02:14:53,970
And then the other areas were support.

1152
02:14:54,650 --> 02:14:57,030
That's animal intake procedures, grooming,

1153
02:14:57,790 --> 02:14:59,650
could be medical care, or separation.

1154
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,140
Resolution of the animals.

1155
02:15:04,630 --> 02:15:08,850
Other spaces that we see now in modern shelters, which typically always

1156
02:15:08,850 --> 02:15:14,190
see a military purpose facility. Generally speaking, that may be a room that may be the size of that

1157
02:15:14,190 --> 02:15:19,830
typical classroom. That can be used for vaccination clinics, staff education, various community

1158
02:15:19,830 --> 02:15:24,270
meetings, and maybe more importantly, whether you generation, so you can rent it out for

1159
02:15:24,810 --> 02:15:29,250
community. We would like to see spaces for our exotics and small

1160
02:15:29,250 --> 02:15:34,430
mammoths, just because we typically think of dogs and cats doesn't mean that

1161
02:15:34,430 --> 02:15:39,290
she don't have geckos or snakes or birds or guinea pigs or hamsters. They all

1162
02:15:39,290 --> 02:15:43,430
kind of come in. I always tell people I have two cats at home but I also have a

1163
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:47,350
gecko and so if something would happen to us we would place for that gecko to go.

1164
02:15:48,090 --> 02:15:51,590
So we always make sure we have spots for the animals that we don't necessarily

1165
02:15:51,590 --> 02:15:57,190
think about all the time. And then one of the other things I was going to mention here, as I

1166
02:15:57,190 --> 02:16:00,230
kind of mentioned before, I alluded to in the building systems with the mechanical

1167
02:16:00,230 --> 02:16:04,890
and plumbing, we have different, we need to make sure that a building is durable. So we have

1168
02:16:04,890 --> 02:16:09,170
wall protections, so you can see in the right hand corner, you have wall protection just like you

1169
02:16:09,170 --> 02:16:13,710
would in the hospital because you have lots of carts and carriers that kind of come into the walls

1170
02:16:13,710 --> 02:16:18,510
and they always run into the walls. We make sure that we have wall floor protection, the shelters

1171
02:16:18,510 --> 02:16:24,010
will take a beating. They will get very, very, very used. So we need to make sure the materials

1172
02:16:24,010 --> 02:16:28,150
that we use are extremely durable. And as I mentioned to you before, the 15 air exchanges

1173
02:16:28,150 --> 02:16:32,650
per hour, that is very unique. Again, that's not, this is certainly what you would see in the

1174
02:16:32,650 --> 02:16:35,910
human world, but it's a standard and the animal cell-training world.

1175
02:16:38,700 --> 02:16:39,540
And while we've talked about

1176
02:16:39,540 --> 02:16:43,820
the building itself, we need to talk a little bit about the outside of the building. So we have

1177
02:16:43,820 --> 02:16:48,960
needs of spaces where people can take the animal and interact with it before it becomes adopted.

1178
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:50,940
or if you're holding an animal for a while,

1179
02:16:50,960 --> 02:16:53,600
and he's able to get out and run around a little bit.

1180
02:16:54,360 --> 02:16:57,380
So we have spaces for dogs and kind of run around

1181
02:16:57,380 --> 02:17:00,960
through the staff can take them out or a potential adoptee

1182
02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:03,800
can take them out cats like to have that interior

1183
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:05,860
outdoor environment as well.

1184
02:17:06,660 --> 02:17:08,700
And we want to make that almost like a park light setting.

1185
02:17:08,900 --> 02:17:11,280
So people enjoy playing with an animal.

1186
02:17:11,740 --> 02:17:13,140
Those are the fun parts of the shelter,

1187
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:15,840
but we also have what I refer to as kind of not so fun.

1188
02:17:16,140 --> 02:17:17,980
So it's the parking lot, it's a freezer,

1189
02:17:17,980 --> 02:17:22,380
where we have to store dead animals that sometimes we have to take care of, where we have staff

1190
02:17:22,380 --> 02:17:24,440
parking or trailers or emergency vehicles.

1191
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:28,340
That's what, for you, is the back of house, that's what we don't want the public to go.

1192
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:29,620
That's really a more for staff.

1193
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:34,160
And we also typically see Sally ports, you know, much like in a custody environment, we need

1194
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:40,440
to have an area where we can transfer a person or an animal from a vehicle into the facility,

1195
02:17:40,720 --> 02:17:43,720
and they will get out every time, you know, every moment.

1196
02:17:44,320 --> 02:17:47,960
So we want to make sure we have a Sally port, so if an animal does get out in the transfer

1197
02:17:47,960 --> 02:17:49,540
between the vehicle and the intake,

1198
02:17:50,000 --> 02:17:52,220
that we're not having to run over the back 40

1199
02:17:52,220 --> 02:17:53,340
to try to capture it again.

1200
02:17:53,460 --> 02:17:54,360
We need to keep it contained.

1201
02:17:56,480 --> 02:17:58,300
Now, as part of the current shelter,

1202
02:17:58,460 --> 02:18:01,760
we're also typically like at your current large animal holdings.

1203
02:18:01,940 --> 02:18:04,060
So we talked about dogs, duck buck hats,

1204
02:18:04,100 --> 02:18:05,540
you know, exotics, and small mammals,

1205
02:18:06,060 --> 02:18:07,320
but you also have large animals.

1206
02:18:07,660 --> 02:18:10,780
Those are horses, goats, pigs, things like that.

1207
02:18:10,980 --> 02:18:13,440
Especially in rural areas, you see a lot more of this.

1208
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:16,360
We took a look at your current in large animal,

1209
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:21,620
it's adequate. I'm not necessarily thinking that we need to do too much. We would like to see

1210
02:18:21,620 --> 02:18:25,620
maybe a wrong in the future, but generally speaking we can maintain with what we have there.

1211
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:28,260
So that's one of the things that we can kind of keep.

1212
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:36,300
On the screen, what you see right here are examples of, these are examples from our construction

1213
02:18:36,300 --> 02:18:40,220
documents, other materials. So one of the things that I was kind of kind of up when you're talking

1214
02:18:40,220 --> 02:18:48,580
about animal structures, people said that why are they so expensive? Why do you have to use these

1215
02:18:48,580 --> 02:18:52,100
the durability and the need to maintain that animal environment.

1216
02:18:52,860 --> 02:18:57,540
So on the left-hand side, you see a section cutting through a typical dog canal where you

1217
02:18:57,540 --> 02:19:02,500
have a CMU wall that's separated by a guillotine door, so you have an outdoor adoption side

1218
02:19:02,500 --> 02:19:04,020
and an indoor adoption side.

1219
02:19:04,720 --> 02:19:10,620
The upper right hand corners, you can see how we've established taking a sound break from

1220
02:19:10,620 --> 02:19:14,040
where the ceiling plane is all the way to the underside of the roof deck.

1221
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:19,560
That's the key, that's for noise mitigation and to maintain that, that sound isolation between spaces.

1222
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:24,800
And we do that whether we have wood walls, or a metal stem from walls, or a CMU walls.

1223
02:19:26,520 --> 02:19:32,580
And then the middle, like hand-picture, that's an image of or a detail of how that drain system works.

1224
02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:39,700
So we have two drains and one dog habitat, and those are typically placed back by that guillotine door.

1225
02:19:39,700 --> 02:19:44,140
And so when the chemo is washed, all the effluent can go back towards that one drain.

1226
02:19:44,380 --> 02:19:46,420
It never comes towards you, it goes toward the back.

1227
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:47,880
And again, that's where disease control.

1228
02:19:52,660 --> 02:19:55,440
So those are things we typically look at for animal shelters.

1229
02:19:55,700 --> 02:20:00,460
Now let's come back and look at your facility and the recommendations that we have for your specific facility.

1230
02:20:01,240 --> 02:20:02,960
We look at two specific sites.

1231
02:20:03,340 --> 02:20:07,660
One is the existing site of a Jeff Tuddle, right in front of the courthouse.

1232
02:20:08,660 --> 02:20:12,100
And we also looked at another site which is a little bit up on the hill.

1233
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:14,420
kind of overlooking the courthouse, if you will.

1234
02:20:14,580 --> 02:20:16,960
So we identified in a site one and two,

1235
02:20:16,980 --> 02:20:19,600
a site two, that's where the existing facilities located,

1236
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:22,800
and that's our preferred site, and there's a few reasons why.

1237
02:20:23,720 --> 02:20:27,100
When we're looking at different sites, we wanted to make sure we evaluated them both

1238
02:20:27,100 --> 02:20:31,420
for existing utilities, we wanted to bring new utilities in.

1239
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:35,140
We looked at well we might have to do for grading for roads, access, et cetera.

1240
02:20:35,380 --> 02:20:37,280
Fire lanes, things like that.

1241
02:20:38,260 --> 02:20:40,980
And then the public access, how does the general public get to it?

1242
02:20:40,980 --> 02:20:42,860
is it noticeable for the general public.

1243
02:20:43,980 --> 02:20:46,800
So, within animal shelter, we don't want to be out of sight out of mind.

1244
02:20:46,920 --> 02:20:49,620
We want to be front and center so the general public knows where we're at

1245
02:20:49,620 --> 02:20:51,380
and we actually get people to the facility.

1246
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:56,280
So, in the best of these sites, we look at how we might potentially phase the facility.

1247
02:20:57,400 --> 02:20:59,060
Animal shelter is our expensive projects.

1248
02:20:59,560 --> 02:21:04,100
And so, knowing we may have to phase it over time, we needed to look at how the

1249
02:21:04,100 --> 02:21:06,420
phasing would apply in both of these sites.

1250
02:21:12,980 --> 02:21:23,460
So what you see on the screen right now is our preferred site and our preferred building option or how the building would lay out in a full build out.

1251
02:21:23,940 --> 02:21:28,000
So we come in off a Jeff Tuddle into a public parking lot.

1252
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:35,300
And we've kind of oriented our project to be over the existing administration area.

1253
02:21:35,460 --> 02:21:38,500
Your current facility is made up of several different modules.

1254
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:43,680
You have a modular for administration, a modular for cats, and you have a permanent structure for the dogs.

1255
02:21:44,740 --> 02:21:50,760
And so what we're proposing to do for a new facility is to build over the administration modular site.

1256
02:21:51,220 --> 02:22:00,140
Because it's modular, we can easily be relocated during construction and it's the most front and center and most cost effective from utilities and infrastructure standpoint.

1257
02:22:01,100 --> 02:22:07,240
So we have identified the building and they're kind of color coded where the pink is more administration and public lobby.

1258
02:22:07,240 --> 02:22:14,440
The orange, in the front here, that is the, I'm going to purpose, the green area is in the

1259
02:22:14,440 --> 02:22:14,660
cats.

1260
02:22:14,820 --> 02:22:19,420
The blue is the dogs, and then we have our support area, which is in between.

1261
02:22:19,760 --> 02:22:23,780
And the support area is centered to in between the dogs and the cats, because that's

1262
02:22:23,780 --> 02:22:26,360
where the back of housework occurs if you move.

1263
02:22:26,420 --> 02:22:27,600
That's the intake areas.

1264
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:29,520
That's where the food storage occurs.

1265
02:22:30,260 --> 02:22:33,040
That's where washing things like that occur.

1266
02:22:33,400 --> 02:22:35,980
And that sense where they're located makes the building more efficient.

1267
02:22:35,980 --> 02:22:41,120
So we can reduce the cost for mechanical systems, plumbing systems, etc.

1268
02:22:41,960 --> 02:22:49,280
We have areas for staff parking and salary ports, but when they bring animals in and trash

1269
02:22:50,580 --> 02:22:51,780
enclosure and freezer.

1270
02:22:52,480 --> 02:22:56,320
One of the things that we like about this site right here in the building placement is that

1271
02:22:56,320 --> 02:23:00,240
we still maintain access to the large animal holding which is a little bit up on the hill.

1272
02:23:02,030 --> 02:23:05,630
In the future, we also have a spot where we could build a future clinic that may be

1273
02:23:05,630 --> 02:23:06,810
over the years down the road,

1274
02:23:07,130 --> 02:23:08,370
that's from a master planning standpoint,

1275
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:10,450
one to make sure that all of our bases were covered.

1276
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:15,300
Now, I mentioned to you a little bit about phasing.

1277
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:17,480
So as we talk about the dollars

1278
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:19,660
in the sense of what it costs for an animal facility,

1279
02:23:20,100 --> 02:23:22,680
we're willing with that one of your immediate needs right now,

1280
02:23:22,980 --> 02:23:24,960
and it became very apparent looking at your kind of facility,

1281
02:23:25,260 --> 02:23:27,020
the immediate needs are the dog housing.

1282
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:30,320
The dog housing is in the most disrepair

1283
02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:34,580
and the most need and so what we're looking at really doing

1284
02:23:34,580 --> 02:23:37,260
when we organize the facility is finding a way

1285
02:23:37,260 --> 02:23:40,280
that can be easily phased and easily added on to.

1286
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:42,320
So the area that's highlighted in yellow,

1287
02:23:42,780 --> 02:23:45,520
that represents intake and dog housing.

1288
02:23:46,140 --> 02:23:47,620
And that's what we're going to recommend to you

1289
02:23:47,620 --> 02:23:48,820
as a first phase.

1290
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:52,480
Because that takes care of the immediate need.

1291
02:23:53,180 --> 02:23:55,720
And if we put it there, we can still kind of maintain

1292
02:23:57,580 --> 02:24:00,140
with somewhat ease the existing administration module.

1293
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:02,820
We have to move a little bit, but we can still maintain our site.

1294
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:08,140
And by doing so, that's going to reduce our initial cost.

1295
02:24:09,440 --> 02:24:12,800
And so, this is where we start talking about dollars and cents.

1296
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:17,360
We're looked at building costs from two perspectives, and this may be a little bit smaller

1297
02:24:17,360 --> 02:24:18,960
to read.

1298
02:24:20,620 --> 02:24:22,120
I didn't give you the highlights here.

1299
02:24:24,280 --> 02:24:30,660
But as we look at costs for the construction, we looked at one just building the dog areas

1300
02:24:30,660 --> 02:24:36,720
only. And then the second part was to build the entire facility. So we apply cost per square

1301
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:40,660
for all these different spaces. Now one of the benefits of doing short throws throughout

1302
02:24:40,660 --> 02:24:45,640
the state of California and have active animal shelter projects is we can have a lot of time

1303
02:24:45,640 --> 02:24:52,100
pricing and we talk to our contractors constantly. The contractor is going to be the ultimate

1304
02:24:52,100 --> 02:24:57,880
authority of the costing. And so when we talk to our contractors we talk to contractors that build

1305
02:24:57,880 --> 02:25:02,600
animal shelters, ones that build animal shelters currently, so that we have accurate pricing

1306
02:25:02,600 --> 02:25:05,280
in the real world and the real marketplace right now.

1307
02:25:05,880 --> 02:25:10,360
And so what we're seeing are project costs, if we just do the dogs, you're if we're in

1308
02:25:10,360 --> 02:25:18,280
to support for those housing areas and for the dogs, including the site, a total project

1309
02:25:18,280 --> 02:25:21,200
cost of about $7 million.

1310
02:25:24,290 --> 02:25:28,930
That's broken down between the hard cost of a facility and the soft cost.

1311
02:25:28,930 --> 02:25:37,070
So, the hard cost of a facility, that's what I would expect the bid to open up from a contractor on bid day, and you'll see that that number is right amount of $5 million.

1312
02:25:37,730 --> 02:25:41,210
The rest of the project is recovered by soft cost.

1313
02:25:41,510 --> 02:25:52,430
So, soft costs are FF and E, that's fixed to risk furnishings and equipment, permit fees, design fees, special on inspection fees, utility fees, things like that.

1314
02:25:52,430 --> 02:25:58,150
You'll also notice, if you've squinted down on the image here, I've also had established

1315
02:25:59,090 --> 02:26:00,130
project contingencies.

1316
02:26:01,450 --> 02:26:06,530
So I have escalation contingency, a 5% construction contingency, a 10%

1317
02:26:07,070 --> 02:26:09,690
other design contingency, two and a half percent.

1318
02:26:09,950 --> 02:26:13,010
That's maybe it's as to the total project cost of $7 million.

1319
02:26:14,970 --> 02:26:15,830
What's that?

1320
02:26:15,950 --> 02:26:17,090
For the first phase, correct?

1321
02:26:17,310 --> 02:26:19,250
That was the yellow highlighted area.

1322
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:24,630
We also did an estimate for the full buildout, and that's what this sheet represents.

1323
02:26:25,270 --> 02:26:30,410
So in here, where we had the dog areas, like we just talked about, we also have areas

1324
02:26:30,410 --> 02:26:34,890
for the staff, the administration, multipurpose, the cats, et cetera.

1325
02:26:35,630 --> 02:26:41,450
And what's let's see in the bottom line here is you have a construction hard cost of roughly $8 million,

1326
02:26:42,790 --> 02:26:48,450
project cost of just under $2 million for a total project cost of about $10.8.

1327
02:26:50,370 --> 02:26:54,350
So that's the difference between that phase 1 which we're recommending now and the total

1328
02:26:54,350 --> 02:27:00,710
project cost of the cats, the everything that was just highlight or showing to you on our plan.

1329
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:06,250
As I mentioned to you before that, this is our recommended site.

1330
02:27:06,890 --> 02:27:12,650
But we want to do dual-gence and we looked at the alternate site which is up on the hill where the existing large animal

1331
02:27:12,650 --> 02:27:14,130
housing is located out.

1332
02:27:14,470 --> 02:27:15,550
And so we looked at it the same way.

1333
02:27:15,630 --> 02:27:17,410
We looked at how we could break it out in the phasing,

1334
02:27:17,970 --> 02:27:19,070
how we could organize the spaces.

1335
02:27:19,770 --> 02:27:22,610
And so this plan right here shows how we could do that.

1336
02:27:23,050 --> 02:27:25,650
The upper right hand, that is the dog housing.

1337
02:27:25,850 --> 02:27:27,410
It's a little bit of a reduced program

1338
02:27:27,410 --> 02:27:30,630
from what we were showing on a recommended option.

1339
02:27:31,410 --> 02:27:33,570
And then we have the cat and the administration areas

1340
02:27:33,570 --> 02:27:35,130
on a lower left hand side.

1341
02:27:37,390 --> 02:27:40,690
In this scenario, it's actually more expensive.

1342
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:43,470
And that's one of the reasons why we're recommending

1343
02:27:43,470 --> 02:27:44,710
or preferred site.

1344
02:27:47,550 --> 02:27:51,630
In this scenario, even with a reduced program of dog housing, we're looking

1345
02:27:51,630 --> 02:27:57,830
at a total project cost of roughly just under $8 million. And that has, is because we have

1346
02:27:57,830 --> 02:28:02,230
added infrastructure cost. We have additional grading. We have to bring in new fire roads up to that

1347
02:28:02,230 --> 02:28:07,590
area. It's a little bit more out of sight out of mind, which is something we're trying to

1348
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:13,070
avoid a little bit with the sheltering. And so this shows a phase one cost of, again, just under

1349
02:28:13,070 --> 02:28:20,670
eight million dollars. And if we were to build all a full build out on that first site up

1350
02:28:20,670 --> 02:28:26,550
on the hill, we see a total project cost of about 13 million. And that breaks down to a hard

1351
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:32,590
cost of about 9.6 and a soft cost of just over 2 million. And so you can see by putting the

1352
02:28:32,590 --> 02:28:38,070
facility up on the hill where the existing animal housing is, it actually increases the

1353
02:28:38,070 --> 02:28:43,030
project costs considerably. And so that's one of the reasons why we're recommending the

1354
02:28:43,030 --> 02:28:45,770
site, the existing site, off a Jeff title, right off the entry.

1355
02:28:49,800 --> 02:28:50,760
With that, I would open

1356
02:28:50,760 --> 02:28:53,540
up to the board for any questions that you may have.

1357
02:28:54,960 --> 02:28:57,740
We're measuring questions before we get a public comment.

1358
02:28:58,820 --> 02:28:59,940
So, Brad is tough now.

1359
02:29:00,680 --> 02:29:03,600
On your phase one, that was $10 million.

1360
02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:13,860
I just want to know when we're looking at the top view that you had from the whole area.

1361
02:29:18,670 --> 02:29:19,790
So that's fine.

1362
02:29:22,460 --> 02:29:23,760
What does this include?

1363
02:29:23,980 --> 02:29:28,020
I mean, if you're going to put equipment in there and level that and grade it all down,

1364
02:29:29,080 --> 02:29:34,440
are you going to, I mean, because you got a distance from where the existing is all the way to the back,

1365
02:29:34,440 --> 02:29:42,700
Is that all going to be included parking lot that you have there all graded down? Otherwise they're going to be a trail going back there every day

1366
02:29:42,700 --> 02:29:47,000
Well, this right here is the existing site and it generally already graded

1367
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:49,080
There is grading that would have to occur

1368
02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:53,860
But one of the reasons why we like this is we have minimal grading and we have the existing infrastructure there

1369
02:29:53,860 --> 02:29:57,270
What we would need to do is relocate administration and

1370
02:29:58,340 --> 02:29:59,320
And there's the friends

1371
02:30:01,100 --> 02:30:03,500
That would need to get relocated during construction.

1372
02:30:03,800 --> 02:30:06,180
Does this include all that? $10 million?

1373
02:30:06,780 --> 02:30:08,740
Yes. Those are built in soft costs.

1374
02:30:09,380 --> 02:30:09,680
Yes.

1375
02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:14,540
What we did not identify, however, where that location would be.

1376
02:30:14,820 --> 02:30:17,020
Like, if we had administration, we would have to move to a different location.

1377
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:19,660
We did not specifically identify where that would be.

1378
02:30:19,820 --> 02:30:22,460
I think staff has maybe had some discussions and where that could be.

1379
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:24,140
But I would probably deferred to them on that.

1380
02:30:24,860 --> 02:30:32,540
Well, I understand it was taking it from site 1, 2 site 2, save us about $2 million as far as grading, and yes, that's exactly right.

1381
02:30:32,740 --> 02:30:36,500
So that was the reason for that, and then the administration and focus would move somewhere else.

1382
02:30:37,260 --> 02:30:41,600
And then the dogs would go pretty much back where the focus trailer is now.

1383
02:30:41,660 --> 02:30:42,120
That's correct.

1384
02:30:43,860 --> 02:30:46,240
Practically the halfway through administration?

1385
02:30:47,300 --> 02:30:51,380
Yes, so on this image right here, with the highlighted area, that's the phase one.

1386
02:30:51,380 --> 02:30:57,780
So that's where we're saying it was a $7 million project right there, that yellow area is generally

1387
02:30:57,780 --> 02:31:02,100
speaking where that focus trailer is right now, and I said $10 million, I meant $7 million.

1388
02:31:02,820 --> 02:31:03,300
$7 million.

1389
02:31:03,940 --> 02:31:05,640
We can do the $10 million, which one?

1390
02:31:07,900 --> 02:31:09,280
Gary, is that a question?

1391
02:31:09,580 --> 02:31:10,200
Yeah, I'm done.

1392
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:11,160
Mark, do you have anything else?

1393
02:31:11,160 --> 02:31:12,760
I have further things to say, but I'll wait.

1394
02:31:13,540 --> 02:31:13,960
Very well.

1395
02:31:14,120 --> 02:31:15,280
Move on to public comment.

1396
02:31:15,700 --> 02:31:18,120
I would remind the public that you have three minutes.

1397
02:31:18,120 --> 02:31:24,540
This is not a question and answer, so if you're not trying to start a dialogue, we'll

1398
02:31:24,540 --> 02:31:28,380
circle back on this after the public comment, I want to make sure everybody's got a chance

1399
02:31:28,380 --> 02:31:29,160
to be heard.

1400
02:31:29,540 --> 02:31:30,560
Sir, you're first out.

1401
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:33,040
Jim, what a line up that makes it a little faster.

1402
02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:38,380
My name is Jim Whitman, 531, 531 by glass, and you just can't, I just want to go on a comment

1403
02:31:38,380 --> 02:31:45,820
that this is a very much needed project, and I think the board would consider in your

1404
02:31:45,820 --> 02:31:51,740
this decision. You should consider the entire project now, not doing it in phases, because you

1405
02:31:51,740 --> 02:31:56,280
would have the same problem you're having with that road contract right now. You know what the

1406
02:31:56,280 --> 02:32:01,080
prices are now? Spend what you have right now. If you wait two or three years to do another

1407
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:05,640
phase, guess what? The prices are going to be higher. So if you don't have to come back to the

1408
02:32:05,640 --> 02:32:10,760
world for a second time, do you do the entire project while you're doing it? The animals will thank you.

1409
02:32:10,760 --> 02:32:11,940
Thank you.

1410
02:32:15,230 --> 02:32:18,970
I know all very excited about this, but generally we don't do the place.

1411
02:32:18,990 --> 02:32:22,150
You could do the happy hands. I will try to keep the movie.

1412
02:32:23,690 --> 02:32:25,330
Sir Thomas. Yes, sir.

1413
02:32:26,410 --> 02:32:33,110
I was very involved in the previous design and attempt on the site, when I was on the board of the

1414
02:32:33,110 --> 02:32:34,330
and we're here in the society.

1415
02:32:34,830 --> 02:32:36,990
So could you put that side back up a little show of shows?

1416
02:32:52,800 --> 02:33:00,080
And a little like, and what is the show that I think will be a...

1417
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:00,420
Excuse me.

1418
02:33:00,860 --> 02:33:02,320
I'm sorry, I was probably...

1419
02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:03,120
Do you know what I want to do?

1420
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:03,900
It's not a dialogue.

1421
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:05,980
You want to make a statement about it?

1422
02:33:06,120 --> 02:33:06,280
Okay.

1423
02:33:07,980 --> 02:33:11,920
I hope it's just confused about what's a new construction...

1424
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:19,260
There are a lot of things that are on the left-hand side, you can sort of put them in a project.

1425
02:33:20,020 --> 02:33:29,700
And I also encourage you to don't lose any faculty to have an opportunity in the upper over the hill

1426
02:33:29,700 --> 02:33:32,780
for your larger animal intake.

1427
02:33:33,980 --> 02:33:38,080
And the fact that you have access to any creek where you're on the back.

1428
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:44,960
you could reduce your traffic flow, so maybe we can load you, but we can say having an access

1429
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:50,100
word going back there, there was always our intent to do that.

1430
02:33:52,260 --> 02:33:53,680
The picture that you have

1431
02:33:53,680 --> 02:34:00,140
on the screen originally when you started was a lot of glass, and I was killed with a thousand

1432
02:34:00,140 --> 02:34:04,720
and you're facing south, but I see it's going to be facing just, which is good. But anyway,

1433
02:34:05,800 --> 02:34:12,520
I'm excited about the rushbacks of having this family come to fruition and I also appreciate

1434
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:14,720
your comments about getting it down now.

1435
02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:15,100
Where is it?

1436
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:16,500
It's getting it down.

1437
02:34:16,780 --> 02:34:22,380
It's been a long time, about 25 to 30 years, but anyway, thanks for your time.

1438
02:34:22,660 --> 02:34:23,480
Thank you.

1439
02:34:23,740 --> 02:34:23,960
Lisa.

1440
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:29,640
Good morning, Board.

1441
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:31,060
Lisa, the D.M.

1442
02:34:31,060 --> 02:34:34,660
I'm a management agency administrator and I'm a services director.

1443
02:34:35,440 --> 02:34:36,940
First of all, I want to thank you.

1444
02:34:36,940 --> 02:34:39,320
And I also want to thank everybody here too.

1445
02:34:39,540 --> 02:34:40,940
That's really nice training.

1446
02:34:41,380 --> 02:34:42,720
And for listening to this presentation,

1447
02:34:43,400 --> 02:34:45,260
I'd like to thank our administration team,

1448
02:34:45,640 --> 02:34:47,340
working so hard to get this emotion.

1449
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:53,060
And I'd also like to thank all of you for asking presentation.

1450
02:34:53,420 --> 02:34:54,520
Thank you very much.

1451
02:34:55,440 --> 02:34:58,320
Continue to attend the grading conditions in the infrastructure

1452
02:34:58,320 --> 02:35:00,000
of our current shelter in Pax,

1453
02:35:00,060 --> 02:35:01,160
needle in our hands.

1454
02:35:01,640 --> 02:35:02,500
We are charged with,

1455
02:35:02,660 --> 02:35:04,480
but also the morale of the humans

1456
02:35:04,480 --> 02:35:06,820
that cheer for the including staff

1457
02:35:06,820 --> 02:35:11,300
are volunteers in a community. In this shelter we're not in a greatly

1458
02:35:11,300 --> 02:35:16,620
benefit enhanced the health, safety, and welfare of the animals, but would have a positive

1459
02:35:16,620 --> 02:35:21,880
morale impact on children's development, daily, and acute change in conditions.

1460
02:35:22,940 --> 02:35:28,760
These past few years we have seen our shelter operations enhanced by improvements in operations

1461
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:34,340
and procedures, working with our Calabers Community Society, Rescue Groups, to find homes

1462
02:35:34,340 --> 02:35:42,100
So, our aim is including dogs, cats, guests, snakes, pigs, horses, ears, parents, chickens,

1463
02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:46,220
goats, sheep, and even an occasional guinea pig or children.

1464
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:51,920
We also have the addition of a cat and a cross-reproperking on their own partnerships with

1465
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:57,660
our focus members to facilitate our highly successful abilities and make-a-ship clinics, which

1466
02:35:57,660 --> 02:36:02,300
not only protect our caregivers' enemies, but protect our community members and our communities

1467
02:36:02,300 --> 02:36:02,900
as well.

1468
02:36:02,900 --> 02:36:13,640
And your shelter will be a welcome addition, and would also provide a new welcome environment for members of our community, which leads to more visits and more adoptions.

1469
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:25,060
We will continue to provide the care, love, medical care, and companionship for the animals in New Carolina, while meeting our children, shelter rescinders of care.

1470
02:36:25,220 --> 02:36:26,100
Thank you for listening.

1471
02:36:26,480 --> 02:36:29,140
Thank you. Other public comments?

1472
02:36:32,020 --> 02:36:41,420
We just need a little bit to remember that the data that you were given originally, 90% of the

1473
02:36:41,420 --> 02:36:47,440
dogs that we've taken are big dogs, big, big dogs, so we need big kennels.

1474
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:49,000
That is imperative.

1475
02:36:49,780 --> 02:36:54,840
We have one of the injuries in the kennels that we are now, I mean, I saw them folks.

1476
02:36:55,720 --> 02:36:57,220
We're taking dogs in and out.

1477
02:36:57,220 --> 02:37:06,100
And so, it's imperative because we have so many big dogs and Mike, we're good.

1478
02:37:06,420 --> 02:37:08,580
I can verify my data.

1479
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:10,800
Thank you.

1480
02:37:11,020 --> 02:37:12,160
Mr. Yvonne.

1481
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:12,460
Mr. Yvonne.

1482
02:37:15,560 --> 02:37:17,280
There are no online requests.

1483
02:37:17,540 --> 02:37:18,780
No, I'm sorry.

1484
02:37:19,380 --> 02:37:20,520
Yes, ma'am.

1485
02:37:23,980 --> 02:37:24,260
Hello.

1486
02:37:24,260 --> 02:37:38,160
My name is Marguer Wicken, 544 Spyglass, and I am very much in I have dogs, and I am a dog lover.

1487
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:48,220
I am very much in moving next door, and on a daily basis, I see ads where they find dogs that

1488
02:37:48,220 --> 02:38:04,020
which is abandoned and where they find them, they're kind enough to pick a market, they already have dogs, they have cats, they can keep them, and the current shelter doesn't have the room for those dogs.

1489
02:38:04,780 --> 02:38:12,360
So, of course, going to have those dogs, so these larger facilities is very, very much new to it.

1490
02:38:12,360 --> 02:38:26,940
The number one choice, I agree with him, that the disability, something that people can see from the street or from the road.

1491
02:38:26,940 --> 02:38:35,720
and inviting also, if a facility is newer and invites people to volunteer because it's

1492
02:38:35,720 --> 02:38:47,140
new, it's fresh and also if you want to adopt a pet, they have the interaction in a nice area.

1493
02:38:48,060 --> 02:38:56,320
The noise problem, you go to any shelter and the noise, especially all the dogs, barking

1494
02:38:56,320 --> 02:39:09,740
But it is an adventure heart, so I strongly request that you have a heart and spend money on

1495
02:39:09,740 --> 02:39:15,600
this animals, the one is for living home and living up.

1496
02:39:15,880 --> 02:39:18,320
So thank you very much.

1497
02:39:19,800 --> 02:39:20,460
Yes, ma'am.

1498
02:39:20,700 --> 02:39:24,520
And if you'd like to speak, if you could line up, that'd be great, although I know you're fine.

1499
02:39:24,520 --> 02:39:31,300
Hi, I'm John Elliott. I'm on the focus board. I was on the Human Society Board with

1500
02:39:31,300 --> 02:39:39,520
Russ for 12 years, so this has been a project since I've come to Canada, there's county.

1501
02:39:40,220 --> 02:39:47,500
So I have to say your presentation was excellent, but very impressive. I just want to share

1502
02:39:47,500 --> 02:39:52,600
a story a couple of stories. I had a couple of calls in the last couple of years of people

1503
02:39:52,600 --> 02:39:56,000
coming to the shelter, wanting to adopt animals,

1504
02:39:56,260 --> 02:40:00,120
and luckily one of them did, but the others couldn't take it.

1505
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:02,860
They went in and they went home and they had nightmares about it.

1506
02:40:03,000 --> 02:40:05,260
I mean, they pictured the dogs,

1507
02:40:05,540 --> 02:40:09,180
I mean, the noise level, the smell, everything about it.

1508
02:40:09,260 --> 02:40:13,020
So we lose people that come to the county

1509
02:40:13,020 --> 02:40:16,600
that want to find their dog or cats,

1510
02:40:16,920 --> 02:40:19,340
but they can't handle the situation.

1511
02:40:19,340 --> 02:40:26,880
And to the, I can't, I've gone in a couple of times, and I go home, and I, it bothers me.

1512
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:33,540
And I, I'm really hope that you do consider doing it, finishing it, because we needed.

1513
02:40:33,940 --> 02:40:41,460
Because when we went down to the couple of the, um, new shelters that we went to Elk Grove,

1514
02:40:41,460 --> 02:40:44,160
And I went to the run in San Luis Obispo.

1515
02:40:44,980 --> 02:40:50,820
It's warm in, you walk in, you don't feel like August, you know, I can't stand it.

1516
02:40:51,080 --> 02:40:57,380
It's welcoming, you walk, you see the love, you sit, the animals themselves are in a much

1517
02:40:57,380 --> 02:40:58,100
nice and bright.

1518
02:40:58,100 --> 02:40:59,260
They're not stressed.

1519
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:06,520
And I really do hope you guys will consider doing this from one, all the way to the

1520
02:41:06,520 --> 02:41:08,820
end because we really need it.

1521
02:41:08,960 --> 02:41:09,720
We really need it.

1522
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:10,380
Thank you.

1523
02:41:10,520 --> 02:41:10,960
Thank you.

1524
02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:13,540
All right, see, thank you for the happy answer.

1525
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:16,260
Seeing a little more, seeing a little more public comment,

1526
02:41:16,380 --> 02:41:17,980
bring it back to the board to the discussion.

1527
02:41:18,540 --> 02:41:20,960
If I understand it, the staff is seeking direction.

1528
02:41:22,320 --> 02:41:23,040
Is that correct, please?

1529
02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:25,600
That is correct.

1530
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:26,380
That is correct.

1531
02:41:26,460 --> 02:41:30,620
Chairman Garmin, as you know, we have approximately $4 million

1532
02:41:30,620 --> 02:41:32,880
program for this project right now.

1533
02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:37,900
Clearly, that's insufficient to fund even the first phase

1534
02:41:37,900 --> 02:41:39,800
let alone the entire project.

1535
02:41:39,800 --> 02:41:45,280
So we are looking for a direction from the board on how you would like us to proceed.

1536
02:41:46,140 --> 02:41:46,740
Thank you.

1537
02:41:46,740 --> 02:41:48,080
So we're just stopper.

1538
02:41:50,480 --> 02:41:57,060
I would thank you for the comment as working the building in the street before.

1539
02:41:58,550 --> 02:42:04,800
Even throughout the financial fall from 2008, you know,

1540
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:10,180
houses went down by building costs to not go down for the most part.

1541
02:42:10,480 --> 02:42:14,200
We're on a low and when it comes to material costs for building.

1542
02:42:15,800 --> 02:42:18,720
It's been up and down thing, especially throughout COVID.

1543
02:42:20,020 --> 02:42:23,700
And on an off note, I do want to acknowledge from what you said,

1544
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:29,380
disease exhausting post COVID is still better for animals than us.

1545
02:42:30,520 --> 02:42:32,320
But that's beside the point.

1546
02:42:34,200 --> 02:42:36,900
Theresa did ramp the $4 million.

1547
02:42:37,960 --> 02:42:52,560
As I understand, possibly right now the extra $200,000 from the state that the senator got maybe on full time being because they're budget issues.

1548
02:42:53,080 --> 02:42:53,340
Is that true?

1549
02:42:53,900 --> 02:43:00,280
That is correct. The state's budget is as everyone is aware, very challenged this year.

1550
02:43:01,940 --> 02:43:27,180
So, you know, conceptually, this is long overdue, we all love our animals, I believe every board member here is very much in favor of getting this done because it's been put off and put off and put off, not that there was the intent of the boards in the past, but that was the result as it was put off.

1551
02:43:27,180 --> 02:43:33,080
And again, the month, this year, money, cost, and delivers.

1552
02:43:36,760 --> 02:43:43,700
So when it comes to our capital funds, is there nothing else there beyond that 4 million

1553
02:43:43,700 --> 02:43:48,840
dollars that we can work with or is there any other ideas on how we can

1554
02:43:50,860 --> 02:43:52,220
be able to pull

1555
02:43:52,220 --> 02:43:59,480
in funds in another way, conceptually, to be able to at least get through a face, preferably

1556
02:43:59,480 --> 02:44:02,040
the whole project so it doesn't cost us more in the future.

1557
02:44:02,700 --> 02:44:06,300
So we have taken some preliminary looks at the budget.

1558
02:44:06,580 --> 02:44:18,040
What we would like to do is during this budget process that will be going through over the next few months is take a look at how we might manage this project into the budget.

1559
02:44:18,360 --> 02:44:20,800
As you're aware, we don't print money here.

1560
02:44:20,920 --> 02:44:26,540
We do have things that we absolutely have to provide for the public that are required.

1561
02:44:26,540 --> 02:44:33,020
We have very little discretionary funding if we were to fund even the first phase of this

1562
02:44:33,020 --> 02:44:38,860
$3 million is approximately 10% of the board's discretionary funding opportunity.

1563
02:44:39,900 --> 02:44:45,160
So I think as staff, we'd like to take a look as we know our revenues are coming in.

1564
02:44:45,300 --> 02:44:49,920
What those look like, of course we also have a little bit of a structural deficit that we're still

1565
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:56,460
trying to work through, we'd like to take a holistic look at the budget and how we might

1566
02:44:56,460 --> 02:44:59,980
that hopefully at least phase one.

1567
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,420
We would look, but I think fitting the entire program in this budget year would be very difficult.

1568
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:14,960
With that, you know, understanding and I appreciate all the work that we've gotten through with your staff.

1569
02:45:15,200 --> 02:45:27,680
And now with you and the lead to be able to get that structural deficit down from nine to ten million dollars down to two million dollars and change is great.

1570
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:36,320
And I think that moving forward, that is my direction is, let's get a correct accounting

1571
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:44,140
and then try to move forward on as much as possible moving forward.

1572
02:45:44,960 --> 02:45:54,460
That's what my idea of the best way to proceed and try and get this done as it's long.

1573
02:45:59,860 --> 02:46:07,180
I'd like to clarify regarding the 200,000 that was promised to us by the state that at least

1574
02:46:07,180 --> 02:46:11,820
within an ironic conference call with the grant administrators and those funds have been

1575
02:46:11,820 --> 02:46:17,800
frozen for the animal's shelter. We will hear back in May, whether they've been distributed

1576
02:46:17,800 --> 02:46:23,460
or not. My feeling is personal feeling is with the deficit that's living, we probably will

1577
02:46:25,700 --> 02:46:35,600
I also wanted to jump in and say thank you to administration for going through the hoops and getting us this far and to Eric with LDA obviously.

1578
02:46:36,140 --> 02:46:44,840
I don't know any other facility in Calvary County and I would love somebody would point it out where people work in such a substandard facilities.

1579
02:46:45,520 --> 02:46:50,720
I just don't, and I think Russ, your point that this has been going on for years and years.

1580
02:46:51,620 --> 02:46:55,840
The question I did want to ask, actually, as I continue is, I believe that 4 million.

1581
02:46:56,040 --> 02:46:57,580
There's a ticking clock on that one.

1582
02:46:57,660 --> 02:46:58,220
Is that correct?

1583
02:47:00,220 --> 02:47:02,160
That is correct.

1584
02:47:02,940 --> 02:47:13,840
We will be bringing a plan to your board at mid-year for how we might utilize that funding on things that were programmed through general fund

1585
02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:19,080
and then take general fund and program it back so that we can hold on to the money for the

1586
02:47:19,080 --> 02:47:21,400
animal shelter for a longer period of time.

1587
02:47:21,860 --> 02:47:21,880
Okay.

1588
02:47:21,940 --> 02:47:25,980
Because I take across this point in per penny and for a pound of the whole thing, but ultimately

1589
02:47:25,980 --> 02:47:29,500
if we, if we're up against the clock, we don't want to lose it.

1590
02:47:29,860 --> 02:47:34,760
We don't want to lose space one in my, again, I'd like to point out that it's not fluffy

1591
02:47:34,760 --> 02:47:37,900
puppies and kitties that these people are dealing with on a daily basis.

1592
02:47:37,960 --> 02:47:42,080
These are animals that are not domesticated that come in from rows that have been busted.

1593
02:47:42,580 --> 02:47:47,340
They come from reporting situations where the majority of these animals are sick and need

1594
02:47:47,340 --> 02:47:48,500
ground-acare treatment.

1595
02:47:51,420 --> 02:47:56,060
It's hugely important that we actually take action on this, I believe, as soon as we can.

1596
02:47:56,920 --> 02:48:01,340
I'd also like to say regarding the design, the one note that I had Eric, which I know is spoken to you about before,

1597
02:48:01,580 --> 02:48:03,640
is I don't think that we need something that's as grand.

1598
02:48:03,860 --> 02:48:10,340
I get your point that we need to be in the forefront, but I think if we just need something that's usable.

1599
02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:16,160
And ultimately, I would like to take Debbie's point again, and that is that we don't get small dogs.

1600
02:48:16,460 --> 02:48:24,580
We get really large dogs, and all those canals need to be the large canals, and having the quarantine is hugely important too.

1601
02:48:24,860 --> 02:48:30,040
I did tour our Elf Grove. I think the work that you've done, and to your point, I'm sorry I don't remember your name.

1602
02:48:30,040 --> 02:48:44,040
But, Mark, when you walk in to El Grove, it's like church, the way that it's structured, and the way that those dogs are placed, you don't hear it, and it's not that, that, in saying the coffee that you get when you walk into our shelter.

1603
02:48:44,820 --> 02:48:49,660
So, thank you all. I think it's a brilliant design, and I would love to see it happen.

1604
02:48:54,230 --> 02:49:01,770
Thank you for the presentation and thanks to staff, especially Jamie for keeping this going.

1605
02:49:03,790 --> 02:49:08,250
Another board committed, obviously everybody in this room is committed to see it this time.

1606
02:49:08,730 --> 02:49:13,530
I will go through this budget cycle, it is not going to be easy.

1607
02:49:13,530 --> 02:49:15,870
And we're going to have to make very hard decisions.

1608
02:49:16,370 --> 02:49:21,110
So that's been a question, it's addressed to the county staff line to help us see those two

1609
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:30,790
fruition and make for that one of the, this area is, is suitable, not just for the animals,

1610
02:49:31,090 --> 02:49:35,510
but also for the volunteers in the work that I have to work with, because it's more, it's also

1611
02:49:35,510 --> 02:49:36,350
a working environment.

1612
02:49:39,930 --> 02:49:53,230
So, everyone on board, because this board is going to have to make cuts in the future on other services that are happening or what from the department.

1613
02:49:54,150 --> 02:50:01,230
So, I just want to make lay that out on the table now, because it is going to get there and comfortable in a couple of months.

1614
02:50:05,550 --> 02:50:13,630
Thank you Mr. Chair. Your estimates are designed or based off your design drawings correctly.

1615
02:50:14,030 --> 02:50:15,310
We don't have construction drawings.

1616
02:50:15,330 --> 02:50:15,990
That's correct.

1617
02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:20,310
So it may change once we get construction drawings and engineered drawings

1618
02:50:20,750 --> 02:50:24,210
that those estimates can go up or they could go down.

1619
02:50:24,410 --> 02:50:25,030
That's correct.

1620
02:50:25,650 --> 02:50:27,290
And those engineered drawings.

1621
02:50:27,490 --> 02:50:33,210
Yes, the estimates we put together so far based upon shelters that we either have recently completed

1622
02:50:33,210 --> 02:50:40,110
or in design that have been priced out and that had three contractors, but we do not have

1623
02:50:40,110 --> 02:50:41,410
construction drawings at this point.

1624
02:50:41,930 --> 02:50:44,830
Yeah, but still without two weeks of R&P with construction drawings.

1625
02:50:46,470 --> 02:50:51,910
There could be some changes too, once we go out and get to John's design, engineer and

1626
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:57,190
those drawings submitted back to us for approval, that there could be some changes in that

1627
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:58,070
could lower the prices.

1628
02:50:58,290 --> 02:51:02,690
And I think we have some of the organization when you made the presentation to me here, that

1629
02:51:02,690 --> 02:51:06,150
There are some way that we can make sure we do some of it.

1630
02:51:07,070 --> 02:51:18,410
But that being said, and Russ was on board when I was here back in 2009 and 10, which

1631
02:51:18,410 --> 02:51:23,830
is part of this when we're talking about the state of holding $200,000 that they had promised

1632
02:51:23,830 --> 02:51:26,590
to us and we had a big thing here or the big check.

1633
02:51:26,590 --> 02:51:34,750
The state withheld funds from us for their budget back then during the recession area at the time.

1634
02:51:35,230 --> 02:51:41,750
They have a big situation here with a big deficit, so at the mercy of the state.

1635
02:51:43,170 --> 02:51:48,310
So when we're talking about them with holding that $200, they've already done that to the schools.

1636
02:51:49,070 --> 02:51:54,650
They could be doing that again to us coming up in the coming parts,

1637
02:51:54,650 --> 02:51:57,110
And at least we won't know until May or June

1638
02:51:57,110 --> 02:52:01,330
if they plan on doing that, because we get too,

1639
02:52:01,330 --> 02:52:03,110
we get too installments early.

1640
02:52:03,270 --> 02:52:05,470
When you write your check for your property taxes

1641
02:52:05,470 --> 02:52:07,530
and the says Calibur is County Treasurer,

1642
02:52:08,390 --> 02:52:10,310
all that money goes directly to the state

1643
02:52:10,310 --> 02:52:14,550
and then they send money back to us in June and December.

1644
02:52:15,290 --> 02:52:17,530
So we're not gonna, no, I'm just bringing it up sir,

1645
02:52:17,570 --> 02:52:19,690
but he's aware that the very good possibility

1646
02:52:19,690 --> 02:52:22,410
that the state could be withholding money from us,

1647
02:52:22,410 --> 02:52:31,390
which we would have to use our reserves like we did then in order to meet all of our budget needs.

1648
02:52:32,450 --> 02:52:37,390
Not to put any damper on this because I'm 100% behind this 100%.

1649
02:52:37,390 --> 02:52:47,480
And I just would like to know what the stage is going to do so we can move forward planning on it

1650
02:52:47,480 --> 02:52:50,040
and maybe find some money out, some ideas,

1651
02:52:50,400 --> 02:52:53,080
and that's some ideas, once we can move forward here

1652
02:52:53,080 --> 02:52:55,520
and do a direction to staff, to at least go out

1653
02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:58,320
and get the drawings done on this,

1654
02:52:58,340 --> 02:53:00,340
so then we can have a hard handle on exactly

1655
02:53:00,340 --> 02:53:01,960
what the cost we're going to be.

1656
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:04,280
I think that's what we should do,

1657
02:53:04,320 --> 02:53:07,200
and I think we should have designed drawings done

1658
02:53:07,200 --> 02:53:10,240
for the entire project, not just phase one.

1659
02:53:10,480 --> 02:53:13,180
I'm in favor of trying to get as much of this done

1660
02:53:13,180 --> 02:53:15,260
at one time I agree with you.

1661
02:53:15,260 --> 02:53:23,100
It's only going to get more expensive later on, it may, and what he's estimated at 10 million

1662
02:53:23,100 --> 02:53:30,560
now could be 14 million if we try and go back and with the cost of everything going up.

1663
02:53:30,940 --> 02:53:37,260
But I would like to at least propose the staff to go out with the money we have right now on

1664
02:53:37,260 --> 02:53:42,480
hand for this project to get those drawings done so we can have a better idea of look at exactly

1665
02:53:42,480 --> 02:53:45,480
whoever up against it to get it finalized.

1666
02:53:46,220 --> 02:53:47,200
Sure, stop.

1667
02:53:47,820 --> 02:53:48,620
Just around that.

1668
02:53:49,220 --> 02:53:51,100
I concur with Mr. Tauffinelli.

1669
02:53:51,440 --> 02:53:53,080
I would like the design.

1670
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:57,840
Because that doesn't tell us what's exactly to look for.

1671
02:53:58,780 --> 02:54:02,940
And then it's another step forward towards, you know,

1672
02:54:03,160 --> 02:54:05,440
realization of the project.

1673
02:54:05,700 --> 02:54:12,460
That said, that and the final thing with

1674
02:54:12,460 --> 02:54:18,240
24 to 25 fiscal budget and finding out what the state's actually doing because that's

1675
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:18,540
reality.

1676
02:54:19,100 --> 02:54:25,440
We all see the need, the reality of it, it goes down on the bottom line and we do the

1677
02:54:25,440 --> 02:54:25,920
budget.

1678
02:54:27,100 --> 02:54:32,340
So we have the money now for the drawings, let's get it done and then move on to the next

1679
02:54:32,340 --> 02:54:32,960
space.

1680
02:54:33,300 --> 02:54:33,700
Thank you.

1681
02:54:33,800 --> 02:54:35,420
See how much we can get done.

1682
02:54:35,660 --> 02:54:36,140
Thank you.

1683
02:54:36,360 --> 02:54:40,920
You know, I have to make, you know, we put this for a million dollars towards it and let's

1684
02:54:40,920 --> 02:54:44,100
And clearly, these are $4,000, $4,000 we could use on anything in the county.

1685
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:48,860
We could put on parks, we could put in roads, we could put it in libraries, we chose

1686
02:54:48,860 --> 02:54:55,340
to put $4,000, $4,000, which is probably our largest capital, I guess, aside from the DA's building.

1687
02:54:56,480 --> 02:55:01,900
Certainly, my tenure on this board, I never in my wildest dreams thought that $4,000,000

1688
02:55:01,900 --> 02:55:04,240
would not be enough money to do that.

1689
02:55:04,240 --> 02:55:09,020
Obviously, it shows my knife on what these things actually cost.

1690
02:55:09,020 --> 02:55:12,100
But it is neither here nor that.

1691
02:55:12,540 --> 02:55:14,740
My job is to get some staff interaction.

1692
02:55:15,780 --> 02:55:17,300
So I hear two things here.

1693
02:55:17,340 --> 02:55:23,980
One is, let's figure out the budget and to accept the second one is, let's

1694
02:55:23,980 --> 02:55:30,800
direct staff to move to phase two of documents and start developing that.

1695
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:33,400
Is that something like the two options that we're talking about?

1696
02:55:33,480 --> 02:55:34,160
Board members?

1697
02:55:35,300 --> 02:55:35,360
Yeah.

1698
02:55:36,200 --> 02:55:37,360
We've got that all at the same time.

1699
02:55:37,360 --> 02:55:42,200
Now, one is a whole get more financial information.

1700
02:55:42,760 --> 02:55:45,420
One is move forward towards construction,

1701
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:48,660
to spend more money on this towards construction documents.

1702
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:51,100
Theresa, am I doing this correctly?

1703
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:52,440
I know what you need.

1704
02:55:54,200 --> 02:55:58,160
So, quite frankly, both of those things should be discussed.

1705
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:01,040
If you want us to move forward with construction documents

1706
02:56:02,100 --> 02:56:04,760
as Supervisor Toffinelli has indicated

1707
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:09,360
that we'd probably help us nail the budget down even more.

1708
02:56:09,480 --> 02:56:15,620
However, we still are in a very uncertain budgetary time with the state's budget.

1709
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:21,260
I think a number of members have brought up their concern over what could happen with state funding

1710
02:56:21,260 --> 02:56:27,760
that normally would come to the county and we don't know exactly where we're at with that right now.

1711
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:39,960
But we certainly would move forward with the construction documents and then also look at how we fund the different phases of the building.

1712
02:56:41,060 --> 02:56:42,820
I totally agree with the public.

1713
02:56:43,180 --> 02:56:46,560
The best option would be to build the entire thing at one time.

1714
02:56:46,880 --> 02:56:52,800
I'm just not sure that the county is going to have the capacity to do that in the immediate future.

1715
02:56:52,800 --> 02:57:00,180
We're trying to get something for the dogs as quickly as possible because we do realize that's our greatest need.

1716
02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:05,100
If I could ask you a question, what is the, you know, we've got $4 million.

1717
02:57:05,380 --> 02:57:09,980
Is there nothing we can do with her existing? Is there nothing we can get done with this $4 million?

1718
02:57:10,340 --> 02:57:15,540
Because I'm very concerned that as my fellow board members appointed out, we've got $4 million.

1719
02:57:15,640 --> 02:57:21,080
We don't have more money. If we want to get something done, that's kind of what we've got.

1720
02:57:21,080 --> 02:57:35,980
Chair, could I jump in interesting because that was a question that I was going to ask is number one is what happens to administration and focus if the dog's phase one goes into that area where do they get relocated and how does that work if we're not able to do phase two and three for one time?

1721
02:57:36,580 --> 02:57:39,660
But also what I want to ask is if 4 million is all we're ever going to get?

1722
02:57:40,340 --> 02:57:47,300
Why don't we just demo what we have as the dogs right now and build the dog what we can for 4 million dollars in that section?

1723
02:57:49,120 --> 02:57:51,920
So, maybe they ask me your second question first.

1724
02:57:52,940 --> 02:57:56,280
One of the reasons why we're looking at putting the dogs kind of where the focus and

1725
02:57:56,280 --> 02:57:59,480
administration is, is because those two structures are movable.

1726
02:58:00,100 --> 02:58:02,000
They're modular, they can be easily relocated.

1727
02:58:02,520 --> 02:58:07,240
If we take down the existing dogs, then we have to find a place to put the dogs

1728
02:58:07,240 --> 02:58:09,640
before that, basically, you're during construction.

1729
02:58:10,480 --> 02:58:15,160
And that's a more expensive undertaking, because we have to meet some certain standards of care

1730
02:58:15,540 --> 02:58:17,420
and you have staff moving back and forth.

1731
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:18,920
We have to be able to get food to them.

1732
02:58:19,000 --> 02:58:20,180
We have to be able to clean them.

1733
02:58:20,360 --> 02:58:22,220
And so that's the more expensive location

1734
02:58:22,220 --> 02:58:23,720
if we put them right there.

1735
02:58:24,440 --> 02:58:26,440
And then the other part is looking long-term mashup line.

1736
02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:30,420
So even though we may not be able to do phase 1A

1737
02:58:30,420 --> 02:58:33,220
or what have you, I want to be able to set it up

1738
02:58:33,220 --> 02:58:34,120
before the future.

1739
02:58:34,260 --> 02:58:35,900
If five years, 10 years down the road,

1740
02:58:35,940 --> 02:58:38,000
you do get a windfall, and we're able to do it.

1741
02:58:38,040 --> 02:58:39,720
We're not having to go back and reinvent the wheel.

1742
02:58:40,740 --> 02:58:42,200
If you're having a windfall, you had something.

1743
02:58:43,500 --> 02:58:48,520
Yeah, well, I think there's things we can do with that four million dollars to go forward with it.

1744
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:55,440
If I think we need to draw in first and then we can set the paths for everything and get it all great and get it all done.

1745
02:58:55,820 --> 02:59:04,020
With part of that money and maybe do the sub-selection part of it running the plumbing out there and water out there whenever we need.

1746
02:59:04,740 --> 02:59:08,320
That could be part of it, but I think the first phase we need is to draw in.

1747
02:59:08,320 --> 02:59:13,820
So we're going to look at what it is and we can get the cost estimate off that to do whatever we want to do.

1748
02:59:14,580 --> 02:59:18,320
And find out exactly what we can do with that.

1749
02:59:19,900 --> 02:59:21,420
That's the first thing we need to do.

1750
02:59:22,020 --> 02:59:22,680
To rest, Scott.

1751
02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:27,160
Again, I concur with Mr. Topanelli.

1752
02:59:29,100 --> 02:59:34,320
And, you know, hearing trees correctly and kind of what I tried to iterate before.

1753
02:59:34,320 --> 02:59:41,540
Drawings done, that way we can work into the phase of budgetary issues and how we're going to navigate through that.

1754
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:48,680
And I do like what Mr. Hubbard did say is, what can we get done with that 4 million?

1755
02:59:48,960 --> 02:59:51,040
Because we can realize that now.

1756
02:59:52,520 --> 02:59:54,360
And what's the cost on those drawings?

1757
02:59:55,480 --> 02:59:59,960
So in the budget that I put together, we do have an overall cost for...

1758
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,900
And I'll just want to say. Yeah, I'd like to hear. I'd like to get my advice for the entire. Yeah. If I were to look for the entire phase one, build out. That does not include a medical clinic, and to maybe answer a question that was kind of brought up during the public comment. The portion to the right would be a future medical clinic. So, state mandates you to chip into newterannels before they go out into the public. Currently, the county contracts for that. We're not necessarily suggesting at this point that the county

1759
03:00:29,900 --> 03:00:34,420
build the facility but if in the future we have a spot for it and so that's what that space

1760
03:00:34,420 --> 03:00:39,840
on the right hand side covers. For the 10 million dollar project that's the full phase one build

1761
03:00:39,840 --> 03:00:47,760
out. We have an estimate here for design fees of roughly around just under $800,000. Our current

1762
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:53,280
contract and we have a current contract now for the programming conceptual design we have not

1763
03:00:54,560 --> 03:00:58,860
encumbered the entirety of that contract and so there is some savings coming back from that as well.

1764
03:01:00,120 --> 03:01:03,640
Well, that's nice for wants to hear about the engineer.

1765
03:01:05,260 --> 03:01:06,180
Thank you.

1766
03:01:06,820 --> 03:01:08,920
We might commit to another, yes.

1767
03:01:09,060 --> 03:01:09,800
We don't owe you too much.

1768
03:01:09,800 --> 03:01:11,560
I would say we'd ask you, but it's six hundred thousand.

1769
03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:15,960
And one thing I might add to me,

1770
03:01:16,080 --> 03:01:17,580
we talked a little bit about the rope shelter,

1771
03:01:18,140 --> 03:01:19,320
and to get costing.

1772
03:01:19,620 --> 03:01:22,680
So for the rope shelter, that was actually done in a similar way

1773
03:01:22,680 --> 03:01:24,320
that you as a discussion right now,

1774
03:01:25,040 --> 03:01:27,020
where we did the drawings for the entire facility,

1775
03:01:27,420 --> 03:01:28,600
but did good alternates.

1776
03:01:28,600 --> 03:01:34,540
And so we had to cost for a base bed, which was a much smaller than they actually built,

1777
03:01:34,700 --> 03:01:36,300
but then also added of alternates.

1778
03:01:36,860 --> 03:01:41,640
So the city council at the time could see what each portion of that project would cost.

1779
03:01:42,020 --> 03:01:44,380
Ultimately, they decided to build out the whole thing at the time,

1780
03:01:44,580 --> 03:01:50,200
but it was the drawings were parceled out so that it could be partitioned out, if you will, from the cost standpoint.

1781
03:01:50,520 --> 03:01:53,160
I think that's what we're asking for right now.

1782
03:01:53,440 --> 03:01:54,820
At least a few of us.

1783
03:01:54,820 --> 03:02:00,980
So that's something I could agree for for direction overall, if as one.

1784
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:10,940
We've got a, you know, my position is I'm very hesitant to spend $800,000 on a plan that I have a hard time seeing as a accomplish.

1785
03:02:11,860 --> 03:02:15,740
I think about, you know, the wrong stones you can't always give them, you might get what you need.

1786
03:02:16,280 --> 03:02:18,300
I really like to take another look at this.

1787
03:02:18,300 --> 03:02:22,580
after we could get what we need for four million bucks because I'm concerned, we're spending

1788
03:02:22,580 --> 03:02:27,700
$800,000 on a plan that we're going to put on a shelf and wait for a month from heaven

1789
03:02:28,220 --> 03:02:28,660
someday.

1790
03:02:29,560 --> 03:02:33,540
I was sitting by a brought their checkbook in the room, we've got quite a deficit ahead of us.

1791
03:02:34,240 --> 03:02:36,840
So, and I hear two guys talk to know, he says about the risks.

1792
03:02:38,400 --> 03:02:41,400
So, my job is to build a consensus amongst this board.

1793
03:02:42,660 --> 03:02:47,740
My position is, I'd rather send it back and re-sharp and that concern for you out something

1794
03:02:47,740 --> 03:02:48,460
We can do.

1795
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:53,400
I'm hearing what you guys are talking about in Supervisor Stopper, which is to move ahead

1796
03:02:53,400 --> 03:02:54,600
with planning documents.

1797
03:02:56,800 --> 03:02:57,640
So it's not a vote.

1798
03:02:57,940 --> 03:03:02,120
So it's just kind of go down the road and tell me where I think I understand your position

1799
03:03:02,120 --> 03:03:02,460
correctly.

1800
03:03:02,900 --> 03:03:03,320
Supervisor Stopper?

1801
03:03:03,820 --> 03:03:04,860
I think that's horizontal.

1802
03:03:07,040 --> 03:03:07,620
That's perfect.

1803
03:03:07,980 --> 03:03:08,320
There you go.

1804
03:03:09,360 --> 03:03:10,100
Supervisor Stopper.

1805
03:03:12,360 --> 03:03:13,400
Supervisor Flander.

1806
03:03:14,120 --> 03:03:14,920
You're with him as well.

1807
03:03:15,320 --> 03:03:15,720
Supervisor Hebry.

1808
03:03:16,740 --> 03:03:16,760
Yeah.

1809
03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:17,840
Okay.

1810
03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:23,860
Well, there's consensus, Madam CAO, to move towards construction documents, and come back

1811
03:03:23,860 --> 03:03:29,560
to us with some budget information on how we're going to build, how we're going to, where

1812
03:03:29,560 --> 03:03:30,660
we're coming up with the Delta.

1813
03:03:32,660 --> 03:03:34,580
So, we will bring that back to your board.

1814
03:03:35,280 --> 03:03:36,660
Okay, is there anything else for members?

1815
03:03:37,180 --> 03:03:38,300
Is that direction correct?

1816
03:03:38,460 --> 03:03:38,740
Correct?

1817
03:03:39,740 --> 03:03:40,040
All right.

1818
03:03:40,380 --> 03:03:41,160
Thank you very much.

1819
03:03:41,180 --> 03:03:42,620
And thank you all for coming down to that.

1820
03:03:42,800 --> 03:03:46,460
I know, I mean, this means a great deal to many people in this room, and others than you

1821
03:03:46,460 --> 03:03:53,360
struggling to figure this out, so thank you. And we'll give you a second to clear up for

1822
03:03:53,360 --> 03:03:54,540
we start at the next United.

1823
03:04:03,600 --> 03:04:04,940
You're not to get him after me.

1824
03:04:04,940 --> 03:04:06,940
Thank you.

1825
03:04:10,500 --> 03:04:10,820
Thank you.

1826
03:04:10,820 --> 03:04:10,880
Thank you.

1827
03:04:11,720 --> 03:04:11,980
Thank you.

1828
03:04:12,940 --> 03:04:13,980
Good job.

1829
03:04:14,740 --> 03:04:16,760
We've got a good control.

1830
03:04:17,620 --> 03:04:19,060
Good job, ladies.

1831
03:04:33,630 --> 03:04:33,690
Please.

1832
03:04:34,530 --> 03:04:34,670
Good to be.

1833
03:04:35,250 --> 03:04:35,690
Are.

1834
03:04:36,290 --> 03:04:36,550
Where is this?

1835
03:04:38,410 --> 03:04:38,930
All right.

1836
03:04:39,050 --> 03:04:40,530
We're back in the order.

1837
03:04:41,390 --> 03:04:42,250
I have number 19.

1838
03:04:42,890 --> 03:04:43,630
Human resources.

1839
03:04:45,210 --> 03:04:45,830
Item 19.

1840
03:04:46,030 --> 03:04:47,430
Resolution Human Resources.

1841
03:04:47,690 --> 03:04:48,230
Approved.

1842
03:04:48,230 --> 03:04:55,410
resolution, establishing a new non-DOT County Drug Free Workplace Policy Effective, February 23,

1843
03:04:56,070 --> 03:04:56,290
2020.

1844
03:04:57,470 --> 03:04:58,290
Good morning.

1845
03:04:59,110 --> 03:05:04,890
Chair Garmini and members of the Board, Judy Hawkins Human Resources and Risk Management

1846
03:05:04,890 --> 03:05:05,430
Director.

1847
03:05:06,010 --> 03:05:13,970
I am bringing before you today a new workplace, drug free workplace policy, and this will take

1848
03:05:13,970 --> 03:05:20,370
place of the policy we have rescinded from our ordinance, which will be an effect in 30 days.

1849
03:05:20,910 --> 03:05:27,930
The new policy meets all of the requirements under state and federal laws to have a drug-free

1850
03:05:27,930 --> 03:05:28,570
workplace.

1851
03:05:29,150 --> 03:05:38,530
The new policy lays out better definitions as what that means and so how we achieve the drug-free

1852
03:05:38,530 --> 03:05:39,150
workplace.

1853
03:05:39,150 --> 03:05:44,950
One of the other items that it does lay out is reasonable suspicion testing.

1854
03:05:45,850 --> 03:05:51,230
And so if we are going to have a policy that states you cannot be under the influence

1855
03:05:51,230 --> 03:05:55,290
in the workplace, we have to also have a way to make that happen.

1856
03:05:55,950 --> 03:06:01,890
And so under the reasonable suspicion testing, having this in our policy is not a catch

1857
03:06:01,890 --> 03:06:04,470
all trying to catch somebody doing something wrong.

1858
03:06:04,470 --> 03:06:15,710
It is making sure that all of our employees in the workplace is not under the influence and are being able to do their job, which is also fair for those around them.

1859
03:06:16,510 --> 03:06:34,450
With this reasonable suspicion testing, we are making sure that our managers and supervisors, anybody that manages staff, has the appropriate training, which is a training specific to alcohol, the science of being under the influence

1860
03:06:34,450 --> 03:06:40,810
of alcohol and then also being under the influence of drugs, both legal and illegal.

1861
03:06:41,790 --> 03:06:49,430
The new policy also lays out state requirements, SB 2188, which means we will not discriminate

1862
03:06:49,430 --> 03:06:52,850
against off-duty cannabis use.

1863
03:06:53,650 --> 03:06:58,970
And so we do not, for example, our law enforcement and the long-glass questions regarding

1864
03:06:58,970 --> 03:07:00,430
past cannabis use.

1865
03:07:00,430 --> 03:07:08,330
And so we are not discriminating against any off duty, but we are ensuring that employees are not impaired on duty.

1866
03:07:09,510 --> 03:07:13,610
And so I would be happy to answer any questions regarding our new policy.

1867
03:07:14,230 --> 03:07:15,050
Questions from the Board?

1868
03:07:15,210 --> 03:07:17,750
It's a pleasure to clarify, though.

1869
03:07:17,870 --> 03:07:25,570
The off duty did not, when you say in the federal legislation, anyone that has to hold a DOT, this license.

1870
03:07:25,910 --> 03:07:28,990
I just want to make it clear out that it had county employee.

1871
03:07:28,990 --> 03:07:33,830
if you've got a whole BOT license that you still can.

1872
03:07:34,290 --> 03:07:41,090
Correct. And this policy specifically states those that it covers is those that are not under the

1873
03:07:41,090 --> 03:07:50,270
DOT policy, which under federal law, Canada is still considered an illegal substance.

1874
03:07:50,950 --> 03:07:57,830
And so this is strictly for those that do not fall under DOT policies which is a separate policy.

1875
03:07:57,830 --> 03:08:07,530
And to clarify that even further, alcohol's not under is not a illegal substance, but it's

1876
03:08:07,530 --> 03:08:13,730
still if you're drunk, you know, or test positive for that at the time, you violate

1877
03:08:13,730 --> 03:08:20,610
DOT also, but the question when it comes to cannabis is the timing of testing and whether

1878
03:08:20,610 --> 03:08:27,350
they can prove that some of these on it or not, or if they properly smoked it during their

1879
03:08:28,210 --> 03:08:36,570
So there is, you know, the science is still developing as far as testing on the residual

1880
03:08:36,570 --> 03:08:37,510
distribution side.

1881
03:08:37,790 --> 03:08:45,770
And so one of the things with cannabis is that there is psychoactive metabolites and non-psycho

1882
03:08:45,770 --> 03:08:46,990
active metabolites.

1883
03:08:47,790 --> 03:08:55,710
And there is a saliva test that has been perfected in Australia, which they are beginning

1884
03:08:55,710 --> 03:09:04,270
to use in the U.S., which detects the psychoactive metabolites from THC, which means most likely

1885
03:09:04,270 --> 03:09:08,750
you are impaired at that time, but it's not just the testing.

1886
03:09:08,950 --> 03:09:13,110
It's also the reasonable suspicion is what is really important.

1887
03:09:13,670 --> 03:09:20,290
If somebody is acting in a manner that is not normal for them, they're falling asleep at

1888
03:09:20,290 --> 03:09:26,690
desk, they're doing things that is just very outside of what they would normally do.

1889
03:09:26,870 --> 03:09:32,270
This is also why we require a manager or supervisor to say, yes, they are acting in

1890
03:09:32,270 --> 03:09:39,210
these manner, they give us the list of why they feel they're impaired, and then we will

1891
03:09:39,210 --> 03:09:40,630
call in for the testing.

1892
03:09:40,930 --> 03:09:48,890
H.R. also confirms that the employee is meeting the standard that requires reason to

1893
03:09:48,890 --> 03:09:56,650
especially. So it's not, when we will workly reach closer with the CIA and other bargaining units

1894
03:09:56,650 --> 03:10:00,990
over this policy, and one of the concerns is that you may get a manager or supervisor

1895
03:10:00,990 --> 03:10:07,990
who's picking or targeting an employee. And so I have staff that is also trained, they will sit down,

1896
03:10:08,050 --> 03:10:15,550
go through the list of reasons why the fullest person is impaired and also confirmed that there

1897
03:10:15,550 --> 03:10:18,990
is solid reasons to call for the testing.

1898
03:10:19,690 --> 03:10:21,930
The person's place on pay to administrative leave,

1899
03:10:22,230 --> 03:10:26,070
they're not, this is not a policy that we're trying to terminate.

1900
03:10:26,290 --> 03:10:30,630
People, we're trying to make sure that we have a healthy workforce

1901
03:10:30,630 --> 03:10:34,810
and that we're also helping people get the assistance that they need.

1902
03:10:35,570 --> 03:10:38,830
And of course, this is a case by case, depending on,

1903
03:10:38,830 --> 03:10:42,390
you know, if we have somebody under the influence of alcohol driving

1904
03:10:42,390 --> 03:10:47,730
small children around that is egregious and so it is a case my case basis.

1905
03:10:48,230 --> 03:10:49,210
Thank you.

1906
03:10:49,650 --> 03:10:55,850
Your answer part of was involved with all the unions and associations moving forward

1907
03:10:55,850 --> 03:10:59,390
of already worked this out and are agreeable to this.

1908
03:11:00,230 --> 03:11:03,890
And also this is pretty much cut and dry from my viewpoint.

1909
03:11:04,410 --> 03:11:08,770
It's updating something that we have had on the books for quite some time once again

1910
03:11:08,770 --> 03:11:15,930
And it's bringing it up to date, so I appreciate the work and I see it pre-cut and dry when it comes down to it.

1911
03:11:16,070 --> 03:11:24,550
Yes, and I do want to point out that, so a law enforcement, those that are under DSA and our probation officers,

1912
03:11:25,110 --> 03:11:32,090
I fall under a different policy and a district in our policy, their policy is a little bit stricter.

1913
03:11:32,090 --> 03:11:38,790
It also outlines like, you know, undercover work and things like that with law enforcement.

1914
03:11:39,870 --> 03:11:42,010
So there is a little bit different.

1915
03:11:42,070 --> 03:11:47,130
I will tell you the policies are also being updated regarding, after the cannabis use,

1916
03:11:47,450 --> 03:11:50,110
post has confirmed that that is being done.

1917
03:11:52,310 --> 03:11:58,290
I just wanted to say that I had no idea that we were so out of date until I read the new one.

1918
03:11:59,690 --> 03:12:04,150
Let me ask you about CBD people that take it for pain relief and or to sleep.

1919
03:12:04,710 --> 03:12:05,350
How does that?

1920
03:12:05,410 --> 03:12:06,550
I mean that wouldn't affect your daily.

1921
03:12:07,810 --> 03:12:09,990
So CBD is not.

1922
03:12:10,570 --> 03:12:12,710
So it also depends.

1923
03:12:13,030 --> 03:12:16,510
And one of the things that people need to be very aware of.

1924
03:12:17,090 --> 03:12:22,890
And I will say that the unions and I came to an agreement several months ago,

1925
03:12:23,050 --> 03:12:27,470
but we've been doing a lot of research to make sure we could back up what we are telling you.

1926
03:12:28,670 --> 03:12:39,410
But a lot of TBD is not lab confirmed, the level of THC in it, because I know that there

1927
03:12:39,410 --> 03:12:46,230
sound that will order it off of Amazon, and it says, you know, no THC, but they're, you

1928
03:12:46,230 --> 03:12:53,010
know, they're have in cases where, and we actually have had that happen here.

1929
03:12:53,010 --> 03:12:57,850
We had somebody under DOT test positive for cannabis,

1930
03:12:58,150 --> 03:13:00,110
but they're like, I've never touched cannabis.

1931
03:13:00,770 --> 03:13:03,450
And in researching it, it came down to a CBD

1932
03:13:03,450 --> 03:13:06,250
that he was using a third-note THC,

1933
03:13:06,270 --> 03:13:07,430
but it's still how THC in it.

1934
03:13:07,510 --> 03:13:09,770
And this is where we work with the employee.

1935
03:13:10,050 --> 03:13:12,670
We don't, it's not a case of we're trying to,

1936
03:13:12,690 --> 03:13:15,350
it's, I gotcha, now we're gonna terminate you.

1937
03:13:15,750 --> 03:13:18,550
We do investigate, like in this case,

1938
03:13:18,710 --> 03:13:21,530
and then the person actually did just,

1939
03:13:21,530 --> 03:13:24,690
of use program, which they defend

1940
03:13:24,690 --> 03:13:27,670
tastic with and there's never been another issue.

1941
03:13:28,790 --> 03:13:31,470
So I think that's where it's just making sure,

1942
03:13:31,470 --> 03:13:34,530
and we are when we are educating our employees,

1943
03:13:34,990 --> 03:13:36,910
we're educating our managers and supervisors.

1944
03:13:37,670 --> 03:13:38,730
Thank you, Chair.

1945
03:13:39,770 --> 03:13:41,270
You have any questions from the board?

1946
03:13:42,070 --> 03:13:43,210
Public comment on this item.

1947
03:13:43,510 --> 03:13:44,690
This is an action item.

1948
03:13:45,730 --> 03:13:46,590
Can you public comment online?

1949
03:13:47,010 --> 03:13:49,290
There are no online public requests.

1950
03:13:49,290 --> 03:13:52,170
Let's see none in the room. I'll bring it back for a motion or

1951
03:13:54,150 --> 03:13:55,570
So moved second

1952
03:13:55,570 --> 03:14:02,770
I should rise the stoppers. I can buy super. I should talk for nothing. All in favor. All right, I post past this five zero. Thank you. Thank you

1953
03:14:08,540 --> 03:14:09,900
All right, supervisor announcements

1954
03:14:10,380 --> 03:14:17,100
Board members to make brief reports and in meetings attended at the expense of local agency or make other announcements or report out

1955
03:14:18,300 --> 03:14:20,160
So as a top knowledge you want to start

1956
03:14:21,440 --> 03:14:23,180
All right, they're also as a stopper

1957
03:14:26,490 --> 03:14:28,230
That's in your report.

1958
03:14:28,590 --> 03:14:30,110
So you're going to have your power on board?

1959
03:14:32,310 --> 03:14:38,210
Update and the new acting district time for couch news is Grace.

1960
03:14:39,250 --> 03:14:40,090
I'm going to.

1961
03:14:40,230 --> 03:14:41,550
But this.

1962
03:14:42,350 --> 03:14:43,250
I say that.

1963
03:14:43,370 --> 03:14:43,550
Yes.

1964
03:14:44,110 --> 03:14:45,490
Thank you.

1965
03:14:46,090 --> 03:14:47,390
She's been with us for a long time.

1966
03:14:48,550 --> 03:14:50,830
She's always been a staffer.

1967
03:14:51,890 --> 03:14:52,930
But that's exciting.

1968
03:14:53,250 --> 03:14:54,610
So congratulations in two days.

1969
03:14:54,610 --> 03:14:59,970
And then I decided on the best of the board members, no, that's February 8th, we were at BC.

1970
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:10,160
We have another meeting in Pualani County at the OES office with producers related to the structure

1971
03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:18,320
of what the started processing would look like. So we've had a number of meetings in the

1972
03:15:18,320 --> 03:15:24,840
fall, and now this is kind of to bring all those individual meetings into one big meeting with

1973
03:15:24,840 --> 03:15:31,640
everyone in the room to really put what the producers want to see, and to provide a half

1974
03:15:31,640 --> 03:15:38,740
of Swami County will be hosting and moderating, and then we have Brian and Tuice from

1975
03:15:38,740 --> 03:15:45,360
the U.C. Accenture attending, and Flavie, although she is now with A to the state, she

1976
03:15:45,360 --> 03:15:53,000
will be attending via Zoom to help with the transition to the new U.C. members of staff.

1977
03:15:53,000 --> 03:15:53,960
Thank you.

1978
03:15:56,400 --> 03:15:57,400
Thank you.

1979
03:15:58,020 --> 03:15:58,040
Thank you.

1980
03:15:58,040 --> 03:15:58,500
Thank you, Chair.

1981
03:15:59,040 --> 03:16:05,460
On the 11th, I attended the agency on aging board meeting, and on 22nd the CSCSA meeting.

1982
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:09,600
Both organizations are healthy and doing very well, nothing to report there.

1983
03:16:10,200 --> 03:16:17,020
I just wanted to give a shout out to public works administration and the CMCA for helping

1984
03:16:17,020 --> 03:16:18,240
to get burned by these done.

1985
03:16:18,280 --> 03:16:21,320
It looks like we'll be able to get that contract signed this week.

1986
03:16:21,560 --> 03:16:22,040
Thank you.

1987
03:16:23,720 --> 03:16:29,640
And since I'm next in line, I'm going to come back to Gary, the attendor CRC last week,

1988
03:16:29,860 --> 03:16:34,120
there's a re-elected as chair of Golden State Connect Authority, which I hope to break around

1989
03:16:34,120 --> 03:16:37,160
this year and get that moving forward, so I'll get to wrap that up.

1990
03:16:37,420 --> 03:16:41,980
And I also joined the subcommittee which would be an interest to this group for what we're

1991
03:16:41,980 --> 03:16:43,180
calling Williams and Act 2.0.

1992
03:16:44,140 --> 03:16:52,020
So, the 40 wheel counties sit down, talk about the Williams and Act with Department of

1993
03:16:52,020 --> 03:16:57,020
And hopefully get some of the submission funds back to the county as well.

1994
03:16:58,120 --> 03:16:58,440
Thank you.

1995
03:16:58,740 --> 03:17:00,020
Thank you.

1996
03:17:01,020 --> 03:17:01,980
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1997
03:17:02,640 --> 03:17:07,260
And congratulations to Supervisor Hovergy for being an elected chair for the central

1998
03:17:07,260 --> 03:17:08,620
Speaker of Child Protection Agency.

1999
03:17:08,960 --> 03:17:09,240
Do you go?

2000
03:17:11,500 --> 03:17:21,150
I want to talk a little bit about our general plan and one of the elements that are recently adopted plan.

2001
03:17:21,150 --> 03:17:26,610
And we, as a county, have an ordinance in place protecting historical buildings and lands.

2002
03:17:27,630 --> 03:17:34,250
And it's currently being worked on, but like the state points out, that it takes a long

2003
03:17:34,250 --> 03:17:41,670
time in order to give something out and when they do finish it, it has to go to the

2004
03:17:41,670 --> 03:17:45,870
finding commission first and they have to go through it and make their comments before

2005
03:17:45,870 --> 03:17:47,990
it eventually comes to us.

2006
03:17:47,990 --> 03:17:58,950
And there's some things going on that I think maybe we should look at having staff, prepare an urgency ordinance for us,

2007
03:17:59,810 --> 03:18:06,990
that addresses this issue with our historical buildings in lands.

2008
03:18:07,770 --> 03:18:09,370
It's not unprecedented.

2009
03:18:09,730 --> 03:18:15,210
There's a number of counties in cities within the state that have emergency ordinances in place

2010
03:18:15,210 --> 03:18:21,110
or have them in place prior to adopting their ordinances permanent ordinances.

2011
03:18:21,110 --> 03:18:28,750
Palo Alto is one who is done to each is one, Tahoe Sierra Preservation Council, Davis,

2012
03:18:29,910 --> 03:18:35,570
Pasadena, the city of Maywood, and we'll have these types of documents in place because

2013
03:18:35,570 --> 03:18:42,970
of the length of time it takes in order to get a permanent ordinance in place that fist and

2014
03:18:42,970 --> 03:18:48,350
of the county or the city that it's having it done for.

2015
03:18:48,970 --> 03:19:02,740
So I would like to ask if we can have a staff put together an urgency or addressing that

2016
03:19:02,740 --> 03:19:07,900
and get it in place while the new one or the one, the permanent one by planning it has

2017
03:19:07,900 --> 03:19:10,420
in taking care.

2018
03:19:10,800 --> 03:19:11,440
Thank you.

2019
03:19:12,240 --> 03:19:16,240
I can just ask how long can the fund can we just do the ordinance?

2020
03:19:16,620 --> 03:19:19,360
And have we already started gearing up?

2021
03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:22,440
The permanent ordinance?

2022
03:19:22,720 --> 03:19:22,760
Right.

2023
03:19:23,360 --> 03:19:26,360
I mean, I didn't stand with Gary saying on the start of step to get going.

2024
03:19:26,560 --> 03:19:27,600
And I support that, too.

2025
03:19:28,620 --> 03:19:30,180
Can we just do anything to the whole thing?

2026
03:19:30,380 --> 03:19:30,980
We can.

2027
03:19:31,780 --> 03:19:34,780
But I mean, I think supervisors are talking all these right in terms of a time frame

2028
03:19:34,780 --> 03:19:38,720
and given the zoning code update that's being worked on right now.

2029
03:19:38,720 --> 03:19:45,900
some of the other ordinances coming out of planning realistically. I don't think that's going to happen, you know, right away.

2030
03:19:47,440 --> 03:19:55,780
Okay, so what I'm seeking is consensus on the board to direct staff to bring back a urgency ordinance or start preservation.

2031
03:19:56,240 --> 03:19:59,880
I promise to look at and have a conversation about.

2032
03:19:59,880 --> 03:20:02,580
Okay, let's have everybody to read a stopper.

2033
03:20:02,900 --> 03:20:04,620
I think I have a discussion on the topic itself,

2034
03:20:04,720 --> 03:20:05,260
just just directly.

2035
03:20:05,280 --> 03:20:10,420
No, it's a no, it's a no, it's a clarify my point for direction.

2036
03:20:11,060 --> 03:20:15,220
We'll just hold up any other parts as we move forward

2037
03:20:15,220 --> 03:20:16,860
when it comes to implementation.

2038
03:20:20,110 --> 03:20:21,150
So I don't know, you mean,

2039
03:20:21,370 --> 03:20:23,610
so planning only has so many hands to work.

2040
03:20:23,610 --> 03:20:28,090
Oh, I think, and I don't, you know, hopefully my staff will be

2041
03:20:28,090 --> 03:20:30,550
counting if I say this, but I think we could get an urgency

2042
03:20:30,550 --> 03:20:36,850
The ordinance to the board relatively quickly, without him stringing other projects.

2043
03:20:38,370 --> 03:20:41,550
I believe that it would not affect those.

2044
03:20:42,230 --> 03:20:42,370
Yeah.

2045
03:20:42,370 --> 03:20:43,030
Very good.

2046
03:20:43,070 --> 03:20:44,030
I can support that.

2047
03:20:44,730 --> 03:20:46,270
I'd like to follow your thing.

2048
03:20:46,870 --> 03:20:48,710
We've already had a agreement on the hardwood.

2049
03:20:49,270 --> 03:20:51,050
We should be seeing that.

2050
03:20:51,330 --> 03:20:52,330
We already did that discussion.

2051
03:20:52,570 --> 03:20:53,810
I just gave direction to staff.

2052
03:20:53,990 --> 03:20:55,110
It should be in front of us.

2053
03:20:55,310 --> 03:20:55,470
Yeah.

2054
03:20:55,610 --> 03:20:58,390
And I think that there's just a couple of last pieces that still,

2055
03:20:58,390 --> 03:21:03,230
that weren't part of it, need to get drafted, but yes, I believe it's on the way in the pipeline.

2056
03:21:05,440 --> 03:21:07,580
There's a good with that one.

2057
03:21:08,000 --> 03:21:11,300
So you've got directions that we've got. I think there's concerns here to bring back the urgency

2058
03:21:11,300 --> 03:21:19,480
artists is carried, put forward. And it sounded like there's also a desire to see that hardly back in front of us.

2059
03:21:19,800 --> 03:21:20,320
As soon as we can.

2060
03:21:20,660 --> 03:21:21,840
We will bring this forward.

2061
03:21:23,500 --> 03:21:25,160
Okay, so guys, tough and always that we can.

2062
03:21:25,160 --> 03:21:27,200
That's all I have. Thank you.

2063
03:21:27,940 --> 03:21:32,800
I'm seeing anything else in the room, Madam Clerk, anything else for free heading?

2064
03:21:33,180 --> 03:21:34,260
I don't believe so.

2065
03:21:34,440 --> 03:21:35,000
Madam CEO.

2066
03:21:37,200 --> 03:21:37,920
Anything for me?

2067
03:21:38,060 --> 03:21:38,560
I'm council.

2068
03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:39,880
Very well.

2069
03:21:40,040 --> 03:21:41,100
This meeting stands a turn.

2070
03:21:45,310 --> 03:21:45,830
Good morning.