1 01:00:03,694 --> 01:00:06,886 presentation answering all the questions. Who knew 10 minutes 2 01:00:06,918 --> 01:00:10,374 would turn into 60? So I apologize for that. No, no, thank you 3 01:00:10,382 --> 01:00:13,330 very much. Thank you so much for your time. 4 01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:17,062 Please pull the vote through the chair. So I have as moved by 5 01:00:17,086 --> 01:00:21,030 Councillor DeBoer and seconded by Councillor early as 6 01:00:21,070 --> 01:00:24,458 displayed. Councillor DeBoer 7 01:00:24,554 --> 01:00:27,950 in favor. Councilor early in favor. 8 01:00:28,370 --> 01:00:31,978 Councilor Kiernan in favor. 9 01:00:32,154 --> 01:00:34,590 Councilor Napoli in favor. 10 01:00:35,010 --> 01:00:39,258 Councilor Rosa in favor. Councilor Russo 11 01:00:39,434 --> 01:00:42,986 in favor. Councilor Sheen in favor. 12 01:00:43,178 --> 01:00:46,602 Mayor Groves in favor. Chair Mascal in 13 01:00:46,626 --> 01:00:50,212 favor. D the chair. The motion carries. Thank you very much. We'll take five 14 01:00:50,236 --> 01:00:51,040 minutes, please. 15 01:07:55,980 --> 01:07:56,900 Hear ye hear. 16 01:07:56,940 --> 01:08:02,284 Yeah, 17 01:08:02,362 --> 01:08:21,540 no, I think 18 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,216 that has slightly different wording for the noise of motion section. 19 01:08:26,408 --> 01:08:29,705 So which one am I using then? If. If this one is okay for you. 20 01:08:29,777 --> 01:08:33,209 Okay. But if not, I snuck some 21 01:08:33,329 --> 01:08:35,429 snuck handwritten note in. 22 01:08:42,449 --> 01:08:45,705 Okay. Okay, 23 01:08:45,737 --> 01:08:49,081 thank you. We're ready to resume now. At this point 24 01:08:49,265 --> 01:08:51,949 I don't believe there are any presentations. 25 01:08:52,689 --> 01:08:56,265 So we're going to go to our 26 01:08:56,337 --> 01:09:00,681 staff reports and I believe we have item 10.1 27 01:09:00,865 --> 01:09:05,129 staff report 2025 0084, 28 01:09:05,464 --> 01:09:09,509 2022 post election report. 29 01:09:10,609 --> 01:09:14,681 Is there any discussion on the report? We have the 30 01:09:14,705 --> 01:09:18,629 clerk here today to answer any questions from council. 31 01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:24,200 Seeing the first questions. Councillor DeBoer, 32 01:09:25,020 --> 01:09:28,196 thanks. The staff report does ask 33 01:09:28,268 --> 01:09:32,052 us to make a recommendation or part of the motion and 34 01:09:32,076 --> 01:09:36,484 I would like to have the motion written 35 01:09:36,532 --> 01:09:40,548 that option three, the status quo with 36 01:09:40,604 --> 01:09:44,452 respect to regional council representation be the 37 01:09:44,476 --> 01:09:45,800 motion put on the floor. 38 01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:53,356 Thank you. Thank you. And councelor 39 01:09:53,388 --> 01:09:56,508 Early. Thank you chair. I'm happy 40 01:09:56,524 --> 01:09:59,836 to second that. And do you want me to make comments 41 01:09:59,908 --> 01:10:03,404 as well or how does this like? Well, we do have the opportunity for 42 01:10:03,492 --> 01:10:07,868 councillors to make comments on the staff report. So I'd 43 01:10:07,884 --> 01:10:11,116 like to make sure we have any comments be hopefully 44 01:10:11,148 --> 01:10:13,928 before we proceed to a vote on a motion. Okay, thank you. 45 01:10:14,064 --> 01:10:17,928 So I'm happy after reading this 46 01:10:18,064 --> 01:10:21,256 and also going through last term of council and 47 01:10:21,328 --> 01:10:24,600 I'll say that last term of council when we did the ward review, it was 48 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,568 on the table for us to vote at large for 49 01:10:28,624 --> 01:10:31,800 regional council and actually it was myself and one other councilor 50 01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,220 that did support at large voting. 51 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,424 But when I come into this term of council as the Ward 52 01:10:38,472 --> 01:10:42,126 1, 2, 3 council counselor, I've replaced three 53 01:10:42,278 --> 01:10:45,550 councillors. On the other side we added wards. 54 01:10:45,630 --> 01:10:48,910 So it's a little bit different on the 456 because we added, you know, 55 01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:52,814 Ward 6. It was a new ward. We really had one councillor on 56 01:10:52,822 --> 01:10:56,078 the Bolton side for a very long time. And then we sort 57 01:10:56,094 --> 01:11:00,014 of split 3 and 4. Notwithstanding the bigger piece 58 01:11:00,062 --> 01:11:03,694 for me though, there's 10 associations on the 1, 2, 3 that 59 01:11:03,782 --> 01:11:07,672 if we had a populated area and if we ran it large and 60 01:11:07,696 --> 01:11:11,272 the populated area got two individuals and at this point 61 01:11:11,296 --> 01:11:13,420 we are talking two regional councillors, 62 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,432 you're at risk of losing the rural voice, 63 01:11:17,576 --> 01:11:20,312 you're at risk of losing the association voice. 64 01:11:20,456 --> 01:11:23,656 And quite frankly, when you're running at large as a regional councillor 65 01:11:23,688 --> 01:11:26,856 in the size of this municipality, it's like running like a mayor. 66 01:11:27,048 --> 01:11:30,696 And I'm not confident that that would be the right direction. 67 01:11:30,888 --> 01:11:34,552 I don't know if the regional composition is going to 68 01:11:34,576 --> 01:11:37,980 change. There's certainly rumors, but rumors, you know, 69 01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:41,532 are just rumors. So hard to understand whether that 70 01:11:41,556 --> 01:11:44,860 will change in the near future. But I will tell 71 01:11:44,900 --> 01:11:48,940 you that it's really important from a democratic perspective that all 72 01:11:48,980 --> 01:11:52,572 voices are heard and that you share this position, 73 01:11:52,676 --> 01:11:55,868 how you want to share it, whether you want to do one on the north 74 01:11:55,924 --> 01:11:59,324 side, one on the south side. That's other things that you can decide. 75 01:11:59,372 --> 01:12:02,534 But you need to make sure that everybody is going to be heard from a 76 01:12:02,542 --> 01:12:06,406 democratic perspective. So those are my kind of immediate thoughts and thanks 77 01:12:06,438 --> 01:12:09,558 for letting me ramble on for a little longer than I normally do. Thanks. 78 01:12:09,734 --> 01:12:13,334 No, thank you, Councilor. This is why we're, we're here today. So I'm going to 79 01:12:13,342 --> 01:12:17,142 go next to Councillor Russo and then to Councilor Kieran after 80 01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:20,410 that. Councilor Russo, thank you. Through the chair. Firstly, 81 01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:24,806 I think the report warrants a 82 01:12:24,878 --> 01:12:29,104 fulsome probably perspective 83 01:12:29,152 --> 01:12:31,872 from the, the clerk. I think there's so many variables in there and I think 84 01:12:31,896 --> 01:12:35,488 they did a great job of isolating and going through post 85 01:12:35,544 --> 01:12:39,520 election. And some of the questions I have down the road 86 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,264 will be or when we get to that is some of 87 01:12:43,272 --> 01:12:47,280 the budget implications, some of the staff costing that was associated. 88 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:50,624 So there are some questions I'd like to go and 89 01:12:50,792 --> 01:12:54,020 kind of dive into as well before getting into 90 01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:57,652 any vote right now. But I guess in terms of 91 01:12:57,676 --> 01:13:01,600 the options, fundamentally I have a different perspective is 92 01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:05,400 truthfully sitting at that table, 93 01:13:05,900 --> 01:13:10,020 we're often tasked with Understanding issues that are in 94 01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:14,452 the other wards and we still have to vote on those issues. 95 01:13:14,636 --> 01:13:19,870 So having a perspective of mayor 96 01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:23,130 and regional councillors all working on the same issue, 97 01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:27,134 you know, very similar to how the local councillor and the 98 01:13:27,142 --> 01:13:31,246 regional councillor, from my perspective, work so that the represent 99 01:13:31,318 --> 01:13:35,358 the citizen or the resident has two actual representatives. 100 01:13:35,454 --> 01:13:39,054 In this case, I feel that you actually have four representatives 101 01:13:39,102 --> 01:13:42,574 working on your behalf. So actually having more 102 01:13:42,742 --> 01:13:47,562 ability and more democratic representation 103 01:13:47,626 --> 01:13:51,082 I feel is warranted. Is the challenges on the 104 01:13:51,106 --> 01:13:54,550 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 is that 105 01:13:54,930 --> 01:13:58,746 there's issues in the other wards that we need to always 106 01:13:58,818 --> 01:14:02,790 be included in anyway. So having the 107 01:14:03,650 --> 01:14:07,258 auspice of we're not privy to that is 108 01:14:07,314 --> 01:14:10,602 challenging because when we're voting on whether it 109 01:14:10,626 --> 01:14:14,406 be urbanization in Bolton or aggregates 110 01:14:14,438 --> 01:14:18,566 in Ward 1, we still have to have the same perspective 111 01:14:18,598 --> 01:14:22,342 of Caledon wide and we're not always included in those in 112 01:14:22,366 --> 01:14:25,942 those conversations. And this is a perspective or an 113 01:14:25,966 --> 01:14:29,318 ability to have mayor and regional councillors always 114 01:14:29,374 --> 01:14:33,318 included in those conversations. So I would support 115 01:14:33,374 --> 01:14:36,630 the option one and actually proceeding in that 116 01:14:36,670 --> 01:14:40,804 direction so that we have several individuals 117 01:14:40,852 --> 01:14:44,884 representing the resident themselves so that there's. 118 01:14:45,012 --> 01:14:48,340 And then there'll be a natural ability of 119 01:14:48,380 --> 01:14:52,228 the counselors working in that area that find that, 120 01:14:52,284 --> 01:14:55,780 you know, in this case you're able to be more knowledgeable in 121 01:14:55,820 --> 01:14:59,732 this, you'll take the lead. But we're always having to work with one another on 122 01:14:59,756 --> 01:15:03,620 regional issues and vote on them as well. So I 123 01:15:03,660 --> 01:15:07,582 feel having the at large just gives better representation to 124 01:15:07,606 --> 01:15:11,422 our residents because we only have three people at the region. 125 01:15:11,606 --> 01:15:15,598 So it's very important that the three of us that are there are very 126 01:15:15,654 --> 01:15:18,090 well versed in all Caledon issues. 127 01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:23,902 Thank you, Councillor Russo. I'm going to go now to 128 01:15:24,006 --> 01:15:25,410 Councillor Kiernan. 129 01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:29,290 Thank you. Through you, Chair, 130 01:15:30,710 --> 01:15:34,078 I'm a little at a loss from that last comment because I'm not sure 131 01:15:34,214 --> 01:15:38,136 how running at large gives you an advantage 132 01:15:38,248 --> 01:15:41,512 to be better versed at the regional table. We have 133 01:15:41,536 --> 01:15:45,512 all said around this table that the 134 01:15:45,536 --> 01:15:48,900 councilors in their wards know their wards the best. 135 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,728 And as far as urbanization of Bolton and or 136 01:15:52,784 --> 01:15:56,520 aggregates in Ward 1, I think the staff keep 137 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,620 us up to date from their expert reports. 138 01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:05,190 So I'm wondering how we 139 01:16:05,230 --> 01:16:08,770 would explain how it would play out 140 01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:15,126 if, let's say option 141 01:16:15,158 --> 01:16:18,646 one is chosen and two representatives from East 142 01:16:18,678 --> 01:16:22,214 Caledon or Bolton are chosen, or two representatives 143 01:16:22,262 --> 01:16:25,398 from Northwest Caledon are chosen, how would the people 144 01:16:25,454 --> 01:16:29,098 in Bolton feel? Because I honestly feel that they 145 01:16:29,294 --> 01:16:32,790 would believe that their representation was diluted. 146 01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:36,610 And I would say that the Northwest Caledon would feel the same 147 01:16:36,650 --> 01:16:40,242 way that their representation was diluted. And I don't think we want to do 148 01:16:40,266 --> 01:16:43,666 that. So I would be 149 01:16:43,818 --> 01:16:47,330 very keen on supporting the status quo. There's too many 150 01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:51,490 unknowns here. There is zero benefit to 151 01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:55,500 the community that we work for to go 152 01:16:55,540 --> 01:16:59,040 with option one, in my opinion. 153 01:17:00,580 --> 01:17:04,028 I say that again, I've said it before, 154 01:17:04,084 --> 01:17:06,200 as someone who's lived here her whole life, 155 01:17:07,460 --> 01:17:10,556 that would not go over very well. And my question, I have a question. 156 01:17:10,628 --> 01:17:13,880 Clerk, through you, Chair to the clerk, please. 157 01:17:14,180 --> 01:17:18,108 Is the public going to be offered the opportunity 158 01:17:18,284 --> 01:17:24,454 to have comment on this through 159 01:17:24,542 --> 01:17:29,090 the chair to Councillor Kiernan with respect to whether 160 01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:33,238 an option, a specific option gets selected or with respect 161 01:17:33,294 --> 01:17:36,502 to the staff report. So there 162 01:17:36,526 --> 01:17:40,022 is, yes, it's a little bit of a two parter. So the 163 01:17:40,046 --> 01:17:43,734 first part was, would be that they have the opportunity to speak 164 01:17:43,862 --> 01:17:48,132 to the staff report in response through delegating and 165 01:17:48,316 --> 01:17:51,988 providing written comment. And the second one is if, 166 01:17:52,044 --> 01:17:55,684 let's say option one is to proceed depending on 167 01:17:55,692 --> 01:17:59,412 the will of counsel, there would be not a 168 01:17:59,436 --> 01:18:02,692 legislative requirement, but we would embed 169 01:18:02,756 --> 01:18:06,372 a public open house and we would be 170 01:18:06,396 --> 01:18:10,420 available to do that even though it is not a legislative requirement with 171 01:18:10,460 --> 01:18:14,616 respect to the passing of a bylaw if we are to proceed with an option 172 01:18:14,788 --> 01:18:17,920 one. Okay, thank you. Through you, 173 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,140 Chair. I appreciate that answer, Clerk. 174 01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,392 I have had people call me about the report, concerned with 175 01:18:25,416 --> 01:18:29,584 the length of the report. So my question 176 01:18:29,672 --> 01:18:33,660 or my consideration is of all the public 177 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,180 comments that we seek. This is very important. 178 01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,940 This is representation. Okay. And I believe 179 01:18:42,150 --> 01:18:45,566 this supersedes many things that we have gone to the public 180 01:18:45,638 --> 01:18:48,782 for. And I would say that it should be 181 01:18:48,806 --> 01:18:52,846 brought forward to the public and their opinions and their comments 182 01:18:52,918 --> 01:18:56,814 sought, not just through delegation, but through a 183 01:18:56,822 --> 01:19:00,382 public process. Because I do believe it would 184 01:19:00,406 --> 01:19:04,142 be a very slippery slope to put a 185 01:19:04,166 --> 01:19:08,550 situation in place that has the potential to 186 01:19:11,250 --> 01:19:15,066 change the balance. Because I think that the residents of Caledon 187 01:19:15,098 --> 01:19:17,310 would be very unhappy with that situation. 188 01:19:17,890 --> 01:19:21,706 And so I will be supporting option three. I think it's 189 01:19:21,738 --> 01:19:24,950 the best, most democratic way to go. Thank you. 190 01:19:27,090 --> 01:19:31,146 Thank you, Councillor Kiernan. I see Councillor 191 01:19:31,178 --> 01:19:34,490 DeBoer is back on the board, but I'm going to 192 01:19:34,530 --> 01:19:37,802 Skip over Councillor DeBoer for a second and go to Mayor Gross, who we 193 01:19:37,826 --> 01:19:41,532 haven't heard from yet. Thank you, 194 01:19:41,556 --> 01:19:45,276 Chair, and through you, so listening 195 01:19:45,308 --> 01:19:49,240 to the comments and I'm going to respectfully disagree with respect to 196 01:19:50,580 --> 01:19:54,700 if we were to go to option one, that the residents 197 01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:58,348 would not be represented. I think that's 198 01:19:58,364 --> 01:20:01,960 a lot of assumptions that we are making. We have to, 199 01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:06,350 you know, we've got to recognize that when we sit here, 200 01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:09,886 every single one of us that sit here vote on every 201 01:20:09,958 --> 01:20:13,790 issue, whether that's award one or two or three or four or five or six 202 01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:17,182 issue, we all vote on those issues. I think we 203 01:20:17,206 --> 01:20:20,890 all do our homework when we're going to vote. So this way we are. 204 01:20:21,190 --> 01:20:25,166 We're well informed on whatever those issues are in 205 01:20:25,318 --> 01:20:29,022 whichever ward they're in. And I 206 01:20:29,046 --> 01:20:32,840 would only hope that anyone 207 01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,512 that puts their names forward to 208 01:20:37,536 --> 01:20:41,160 run for election and to serve the community would also do 209 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,780 the same thing and would be of the same mindset. 210 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,460 I sat here for many years and I'm tired, 211 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:53,208 very tired of hearing it was always east versus 212 01:20:53,304 --> 01:20:56,600 West. I don't want to hear that because I think 213 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,898 we all live in the town of Caledonia. I think 214 01:20:59,954 --> 01:21:03,434 that we all look at every 215 01:21:03,522 --> 01:21:06,810 issue that comes to the table as issues that are 216 01:21:06,850 --> 01:21:12,826 important to whatever ward it's 217 01:21:12,858 --> 01:21:16,394 dealing with. And so I look at Caledon, 218 01:21:16,522 --> 01:21:19,430 it's Caledon as a whole. We are one community. 219 01:21:20,370 --> 01:21:24,170 So I don't agree with the 220 01:21:24,210 --> 01:21:28,214 statement that any of the areas, whether the rural areas 221 01:21:28,302 --> 01:21:32,534 or the urban areas are going to be. Are not going to be represented 222 01:21:32,582 --> 01:21:37,766 if we go with option one. I also don't recall Councillor 223 01:21:37,798 --> 01:21:41,446 early alluded to that earlier. I don't recall us going through any public 224 01:21:41,518 --> 01:21:45,174 process when it was brought forward 225 01:21:45,262 --> 01:21:49,574 to see, to have that discussion around voting 226 01:21:49,622 --> 01:21:52,838 at large. I know that Orangeville, I believe 227 01:21:52,894 --> 01:21:56,494 Orangeville, they vote at large. City of Vaughan, they're at large. 228 01:21:56,582 --> 01:21:59,650 I think Durham is at large. If I'm. If I'm correct, 229 01:21:59,990 --> 01:22:03,694 I'm not sure about Durham, but I know that Vaughan and Orangeville are at large. 230 01:22:03,782 --> 01:22:06,970 So anyway, those are my comments. And again, 231 01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:10,478 I think that when we sit at this table, 232 01:22:10,654 --> 01:22:14,094 you know, we used to, in our prayers that we used to have the prayer 233 01:22:14,142 --> 01:22:16,610 here, we always talk about parochialism. 234 01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:20,590 And I think it's time that we do away with that and 235 01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:24,302 look at Caledon as a whole and understand that we 236 01:22:24,326 --> 01:22:28,302 have an urban area in Caledon, we have a rural area in Caledon, 237 01:22:28,366 --> 01:22:31,690 and the needs are very different. Thank you. 238 01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:35,530 Through you, thank you very much, 239 01:22:36,150 --> 01:22:40,110 Mayor Groves. And I'm going to go to Councillor Rosa because 240 01:22:40,150 --> 01:22:43,550 he hasn't spoken yet. Thank you. And through you, 241 01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:47,432 Chair, yeah, the mayor addressed some of the things, same things I 242 01:22:47,456 --> 01:22:51,304 was thinking. I've made some notes here. I would hope that anybody 243 01:22:51,352 --> 01:22:54,632 at this stage of Caledon's, when we're looking 244 01:22:54,656 --> 01:22:58,408 at the future of this municipality and what's going to happen here over 245 01:22:58,464 --> 01:23:01,912 the next 10 years. I would hope that if you're putting your name forward for 246 01:23:01,936 --> 01:23:05,464 regional councillor, that you would be prepared to represent Caledon 247 01:23:05,512 --> 01:23:08,984 as a whole, that you understand the needs of the entire 248 01:23:09,032 --> 01:23:12,200 municipality, that you understand that we are, 249 01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,976 are a municipality made up of various hamlets, 250 01:23:16,008 --> 01:23:19,896 villages, urban, rural areas. You need to have that understanding 251 01:23:19,928 --> 01:23:24,220 of where we are and where we're going. And you need to represent everybody fairly. 252 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,856 So regardless of where you're living or where you are stationed 253 01:23:28,888 --> 01:23:32,712 in this municipality, I would hope that you would 254 01:23:32,736 --> 01:23:37,288 understand that what the needs are and that you would represent all 255 01:23:37,344 --> 01:23:40,138 of Caledon. Since we've only got three votes, 256 01:23:40,314 --> 01:23:43,818 since we've only got three members, I think a unified approach, 257 01:23:43,954 --> 01:23:47,114 you know, when the mayor goes there, the mayor is representing the entire 258 01:23:47,242 --> 01:23:50,922 municipality. I'm not sure that it's a requirement to 259 01:23:50,946 --> 01:23:54,714 represent a ward at the region. I think we're representing the municipality 260 01:23:54,762 --> 01:23:58,394 at the region. That's at least been my experience in watching 261 01:23:58,522 --> 01:24:02,026 regional meetings and understanding how it functions as an upper 262 01:24:02,058 --> 01:24:05,828 tier government. And I think the unified 263 01:24:05,924 --> 01:24:09,092 approach might be the first step in 264 01:24:09,116 --> 01:24:13,044 eliminating some of the divisiveness that I clearly see and I have experienced 265 01:24:13,092 --> 01:24:16,404 personally and then try to combat myself over the 266 01:24:16,412 --> 01:24:20,196 last six years. We are Caledon. We are not 267 01:24:20,268 --> 01:24:23,572 Bolton and Calvin east and Calvin Village, 268 01:24:23,636 --> 01:24:27,460 and we are one unified municipality. When we're 269 01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:31,150 occupying three chairs at the region, that's. That's just the way 270 01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:35,070 I approach it. And here I feel 271 01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:39,230 the same way when I'm called to vote on something. Here, the majority of 272 01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:43,182 time I'm actually voting on things that are not affecting my 273 01:24:43,206 --> 01:24:46,798 ward personally. And I have to take the time to understand it, to research 274 01:24:46,854 --> 01:24:50,670 it, to read, to understand the reports so that I'm making a 275 01:24:50,710 --> 01:24:54,010 decision in the best interest of everyone. 276 01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:58,222 I was called to do that today. Right. So I 277 01:24:58,246 --> 01:25:01,710 think it's really, really important for us to understand that. I think when we're trying 278 01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:05,614 to make local decisions, I understand the necessity of award 279 01:25:05,662 --> 01:25:08,990 representation. But when we're trying to represent this 280 01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:12,798 municipality at the region appeal, I think that, you know, 281 01:25:12,854 --> 01:25:16,606 a unified approach, where the three individuals 282 01:25:16,638 --> 01:25:20,270 are there to be the voice for Caladan, is really 283 01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:23,836 what I think is where we're heading in the future, 284 01:25:23,908 --> 01:25:26,920 especially with the growth that's anticipated. Thank you. 285 01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:31,132 Thank you. Councillor Rosa and Councillor Sheen, 286 01:25:31,196 --> 01:25:34,120 you're on the board now to speak for the first time. 287 01:25:34,900 --> 01:25:38,160 Well, thank you, Chair Mescal. 288 01:25:39,460 --> 01:25:42,924 I didn't expect to go next, but if you wish to defer, 289 01:25:42,972 --> 01:25:47,000 I can do that. No, no, it's okay. I can put it together. 290 01:25:47,790 --> 01:25:50,930 There's some very compelling arguments for option one and three. 291 01:25:51,790 --> 01:25:55,750 And I think it was Councillor early that alluded to this conversation 292 01:25:55,830 --> 01:26:00,182 or this issue being discussed last term of council when 293 01:26:00,206 --> 01:26:03,670 they did the ward boundary review. And I just wanted to check back with 294 01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:07,910 the clerk, as I'm sure he looked back at that process. Can you confirm whether 295 01:26:07,950 --> 01:26:11,650 or not this question was discussed and analyzed and 296 01:26:11,950 --> 01:26:15,526 debated? I suppose in the last term of council when the ward boundary 297 01:26:15,558 --> 01:26:19,186 review was done, as I rec call, it, was a pretty extensive process that involves 298 01:26:19,218 --> 01:26:22,930 some public consultation through 299 01:26:22,970 --> 01:26:25,698 the chair to Councillor Sheen, 300 01:26:25,874 --> 01:26:30,066 there was public consultation on the word boundary review there. 301 01:26:30,138 --> 01:26:33,538 It was very extensive. The primary focus of that 302 01:26:33,674 --> 01:26:37,010 discussion and that question to be answered was 303 01:26:37,050 --> 01:26:41,190 focused on the specific word boundary, drawing of the lines 304 01:26:42,010 --> 01:26:45,488 and the addition of award and proper representation amongst 305 01:26:45,504 --> 01:26:48,704 the wards. Right. As outlined in the report, 306 01:26:48,872 --> 01:26:52,160 it didn't appear as though this was largely 307 01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:56,656 or broadly discussed or debated upon and served 308 01:26:56,688 --> 01:26:59,984 as a basis for the rationale to discuss it now. Right. 309 01:27:00,072 --> 01:27:03,620 So would it be fair to say that it wasn't largely 310 01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,952 discussed or dwelled upon because there was 311 01:27:07,976 --> 01:27:12,214 an assumption that there would be a regional councilor coming from Wards 312 01:27:12,262 --> 01:27:15,810 123 and Wards 456. Is that 313 01:27:16,110 --> 01:27:19,110 when you look back at how the ward boundary review was done, was it there 314 01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:23,382 an assumption made that that's just how we were going to do versus a 315 01:27:23,406 --> 01:27:28,566 regional councilor at large through 316 01:27:28,638 --> 01:27:32,470 the chair to Councillor Sheen? 317 01:27:32,630 --> 01:27:35,830 I don't necessarily wouldn't call it an assumption. 318 01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:39,242 It just wasn't the focal point. 319 01:27:39,346 --> 01:27:42,710 And that 320 01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:46,746 basis for not having it as a focal point or 321 01:27:46,898 --> 01:27:49,290 being overshadowed. Excuse me, 322 01:27:49,330 --> 01:27:52,794 overshadowed by the larger, 323 01:27:52,842 --> 01:27:56,138 broader, more intensive review of the word boundaries 324 01:27:56,314 --> 01:27:59,750 would be why we should 325 01:28:00,370 --> 01:28:04,036 kind of. This would be a bit of a concluding exercise to that word 326 01:28:04,068 --> 01:28:07,140 boundary review to finally square off 327 01:28:07,180 --> 01:28:10,372 and conclude this lasting aspect of 328 01:28:10,396 --> 01:28:13,604 it. Okay, so my understanding is that the ward 329 01:28:13,652 --> 01:28:17,520 boundary review received a lot of attention and participation from the public. 330 01:28:17,900 --> 01:28:21,556 I found online that there were like over 3,000 331 01:28:21,628 --> 01:28:26,132 unique visitors to the ward boundary review website and 332 01:28:26,156 --> 01:28:29,720 there were lots of people participating in a couple of surveys. 333 01:28:30,350 --> 01:28:33,718 Anyway, the town went to great lengths to get some feedback from the community 334 01:28:33,774 --> 01:28:37,046 about how they wanted to be represented. And I think it was Councillor 335 01:28:37,078 --> 01:28:40,854 Kiernan that made the point that this gets at the heart of representation 336 01:28:40,902 --> 01:28:45,094 in our democracy. And I 337 01:28:45,102 --> 01:28:48,614 don't think we've asked the public how they want to be represented on this issue. 338 01:28:48,782 --> 01:28:52,742 And I think unless that's not fair to say. 339 01:28:52,926 --> 01:28:55,850 Mr. Klingenberg, do you disagree? 340 01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,448 Through the chair to Councillor Sheen I don't disagree that 341 01:29:01,504 --> 01:29:05,540 the public has an opportunity to 342 01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,592 or has yet for a fulsome opportunity to discuss and debate on this 343 01:29:09,616 --> 01:29:14,008 matter. As outlined in 344 01:29:14,144 --> 01:29:17,608 response to an earlier question, there is the opportunity for open 345 01:29:17,664 --> 01:29:21,448 house if option one is selected and public 346 01:29:21,504 --> 01:29:25,940 meetings to hear that that public perspective. 347 01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,336 This current recommendation is to proceed with option 348 01:29:30,368 --> 01:29:34,320 one. It's not to pass the bylaw, so there 349 01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,392 would be that second. So let's say you get 350 01:29:37,416 --> 01:29:40,912 an open house, public sway 351 01:29:40,976 --> 01:29:43,740 council or influence counsel in their decision making, 352 01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,638 then that would be reflected on the vote on the pilot 353 01:29:47,704 --> 01:29:52,346 itself. Yeah. So I would advocate 354 01:29:52,378 --> 01:29:56,234 for us receiving some public feedback. 355 01:29:56,282 --> 01:29:59,754 I appreciate Councillor Rosa's opinions, everyone's opinions. Everyone's made 356 01:29:59,762 --> 01:30:03,914 a very compelling argument for both options 357 01:30:03,962 --> 01:30:07,850 we're discussing 1 and 3. I would just like some input from the public. 358 01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:10,506 I'm not sure how we get there, but I'll leave it to my colleagues to 359 01:30:10,578 --> 01:30:14,516 continue the discussion. Thank you. Thank you, 360 01:30:14,588 --> 01:30:18,068 Councillor Sheen. And I'm going to weigh in for a moment and then 361 01:30:18,124 --> 01:30:21,636 go back to the board for people who have a second opportunity to speak 362 01:30:21,668 --> 01:30:26,116 to this. And I do concur with Councillor 363 01:30:26,148 --> 01:30:29,812 Sheen and I just want to clarify with the clerk what the process 364 01:30:29,916 --> 01:30:33,492 for public input would be regarding this. Because if we 365 01:30:33,516 --> 01:30:37,028 do, it seems if we proceed with 366 01:30:37,084 --> 01:30:40,780 option one today, that there would be an opportunity for 367 01:30:40,820 --> 01:30:44,000 there to be some sort of public engagement 368 01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:48,060 and then a bylaw would come back to this 369 01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:51,164 council which would be voted on at that time 370 01:30:51,252 --> 01:30:54,972 regarding that specific change to the 371 01:30:54,996 --> 01:30:58,400 representation. Can I just get that clarified from the clerk 372 01:31:00,660 --> 01:31:04,060 through the chair? Yes, that's correct. What your statement is, 373 01:31:04,100 --> 01:31:08,484 there is that opportunity, if option one is selected today and 374 01:31:08,652 --> 01:31:12,420 approved at March 25th council, then there 375 01:31:12,460 --> 01:31:15,524 would be that open house or a public meeting opportunity. 376 01:31:15,572 --> 01:31:19,204 It is not legislatively required. If option two were selected, 377 01:31:19,252 --> 01:31:22,228 it would be legislatively required by the region to do it. 378 01:31:22,364 --> 01:31:25,844 Option one does not have that. But we can go 379 01:31:25,852 --> 01:31:29,520 above and beyond the legislative requirements to do the open house. 380 01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:37,680 Just to clarify then. So is that something we can make 381 01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,472 sure happens some sort of way that 382 01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:44,592 is written in there that so it doesn't end up sort of 383 01:31:44,616 --> 01:31:47,760 getting omitted somehow 384 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:51,072 that we were committing to that 385 01:31:51,256 --> 01:31:56,000 public consultation piece through 386 01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,424 the chair? Yes. Council can direct staff to an 387 01:31:59,432 --> 01:32:04,040 open house as well. If option one is selected and 388 01:32:04,420 --> 01:32:08,440 that open house, would we also be able to recommend that 389 01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:12,380 something go through have 390 01:32:12,420 --> 01:32:15,916 youe say Caladan. So there's a public commenting 391 01:32:15,948 --> 01:32:20,140 piece there also through 392 01:32:20,180 --> 01:32:24,140 the chair? Yes, that can be included, but that also 393 01:32:24,180 --> 01:32:27,788 would be something that we would include as an implementation Component 394 01:32:27,804 --> 01:32:31,340 that's definitely staff would do anyways. Okay, so this is a significant 395 01:32:31,460 --> 01:32:34,920 change that we're. We're contemplating here. And I would feel 396 01:32:35,700 --> 01:32:38,780 very, very uncomfortable making 397 01:32:38,820 --> 01:32:43,036 a decision on this without specific public 398 01:32:43,108 --> 01:32:46,840 consultation, because from what Councillor Sheen says, 399 01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:50,700 when the, when we were. The previous council was 400 01:32:50,740 --> 01:32:54,280 considering the changes to the ward boundaries and the ward review system, 401 01:32:54,420 --> 01:32:58,416 there was apparently considerable civic 402 01:32:58,448 --> 01:33:02,576 engagement in that process. And I think if we're going to be making decisions 403 01:33:02,608 --> 01:33:06,208 about how people are represented and how people are governed, I think 404 01:33:06,264 --> 01:33:10,288 that people should have the opportunity to express their opinions on this. 405 01:33:10,344 --> 01:33:14,096 And we need to be taking that into account because, you know, 406 01:33:14,248 --> 01:33:17,472 in the end, we are public servants, we serve the 407 01:33:17,496 --> 01:33:21,504 public, and I really think we need to get a sense of what that is. 408 01:33:21,672 --> 01:33:25,952 And also the fact is that, you know, we just went through a 409 01:33:25,976 --> 01:33:29,392 ward boundary review where we ended up with six wards with 410 01:33:29,416 --> 01:33:32,720 new boundaries drawn and then we ended up with a new 411 01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:36,352 system in terms of. For regional councillors because they lost a regional 412 01:33:36,416 --> 01:33:39,904 councilor at the region and had to redraw 413 01:33:39,952 --> 01:33:43,280 and figure out how region would work. So, you know, we've only 414 01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,556 really had one turn through this process. So. 415 01:33:46,628 --> 01:33:50,092 And one of the things, even when we said, when we were debating whether or 416 01:33:50,116 --> 01:33:53,612 not we were going to hire a consultant to look 417 01:33:53,636 --> 01:33:57,164 at the ward boundaries coming up, we as a council 418 01:33:57,252 --> 01:34:00,908 deferred. That said, we don't need this because the system's 419 01:34:00,924 --> 01:34:04,092 still so new, we're still working our way through it. So from 420 01:34:04,116 --> 01:34:07,804 my perspective, I really think if we do proceed with option 421 01:34:07,852 --> 01:34:09,320 one, that we have, 422 01:34:11,060 --> 01:34:14,772 that guarantees in there that we're getting public consultation and that 423 01:34:14,796 --> 01:34:18,052 we're coming back as a council to vote on that before we 424 01:34:18,076 --> 01:34:21,524 ever proceed any further with it. So I'm going 425 01:34:21,532 --> 01:34:24,468 to leave it there and I'll let some other speakers come back on the board 426 01:34:24,524 --> 01:34:27,892 now in the order in which they appear. Councillor DeBoer, your second 427 01:34:27,916 --> 01:34:29,440 time to speak on the issue. 428 01:34:30,380 --> 01:34:33,700 Thanks. Yeah, My first speak was to put 429 01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:37,124 option three on the table. The reason I support option 430 01:34:37,172 --> 01:34:40,568 three is primarily a lot of the comments here are. 431 01:34:40,684 --> 01:34:44,432 Are interesting to say the least. Most of them focus around how, 432 01:34:44,536 --> 01:34:48,096 once the individual is elected, how they should be acting, whether they're 433 01:34:48,128 --> 01:34:51,632 representing all of Caledon or a specific board. The reality is, 434 01:34:51,736 --> 01:34:55,024 as the mayor correctly pointed out, all six of us make decisions 435 01:34:55,072 --> 01:34:58,624 based on all of Caledon. The mayor 436 01:34:58,672 --> 01:35:02,560 and the two regional councillors make decisions at the region for all of 437 01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,570 Caledon. What this is being asked is how 438 01:35:06,610 --> 01:35:10,474 do the residents choose who they want to represent them 439 01:35:10,642 --> 01:35:14,714 and what's going to happen. And you can use Orangeville and Orangeville votes at large, 440 01:35:14,802 --> 01:35:18,682 but Orangeville is a community that's all urban, 441 01:35:18,826 --> 01:35:22,426 so you can vote somebody that's at large because they're 442 01:35:22,458 --> 01:35:25,738 representing a largely urban area. What's going to happen, 443 01:35:25,794 --> 01:35:28,970 and we did have some preliminary discussions when we looked at the boundary review, 444 01:35:29,090 --> 01:35:32,470 is that if we had a at large 445 01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,592 system, the candidates will concentrate where 446 01:35:36,616 --> 01:35:39,872 the votes are, because all you need is a number and be the 447 01:35:39,976 --> 01:35:43,376 top numbers and have the numbers to be, because it starts 448 01:35:43,408 --> 01:35:46,368 at who gets the most votes and then it's the second, third, 449 01:35:46,424 --> 01:35:49,760 fourth, fifth. You're never going to get a candidate to 450 01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:53,392 enter into the villages, you're never going to get a candidate to go to the 451 01:35:53,416 --> 01:35:56,912 rural areas. The reality is the candidates will concentrate where 452 01:35:56,936 --> 01:36:00,806 the numbers are. And what's going to happen is that rural Caledon 453 01:36:00,918 --> 01:36:04,870 won't have the exposure to the candidates when it comes time to vote, 454 01:36:05,030 --> 01:36:09,090 because the concentration of the activity will always be where the urban areas. 455 01:36:09,710 --> 01:36:13,046 When we've got a community like this, and this comes for me, 456 01:36:13,118 --> 01:36:16,438 comes as part of the same conversation we had with the previous 457 01:36:16,494 --> 01:36:19,942 delegation, is that we've got a community that's urban and 458 01:36:19,966 --> 01:36:23,330 we've got a community that's rural and they're very different. 459 01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:27,152 And what we've got to do is come up with a hybrid plan and a 460 01:36:27,176 --> 01:36:30,480 plan that will ensure that representation of both 461 01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,160 the urban area and the rural area is well represented. And to turn 462 01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,792 around and vote for your candidates, 463 01:36:37,856 --> 01:36:41,520 regardless of whether they're local or regional at large will take 464 01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,704 away the opportunity for the rural people and the rural 465 01:36:44,752 --> 01:36:48,512 residents and the village residents to participate in 466 01:36:48,536 --> 01:36:51,980 the process is where the concern was when we talked about it 467 01:36:52,020 --> 01:36:54,600 before, and I still hold by that. 468 01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:59,084 That same concern is, is that the candidates 469 01:36:59,132 --> 01:37:02,012 and all the points made, that when the candidates do arrive there, 470 01:37:02,116 --> 01:37:05,452 you do represent. And as the mayor says, you've got to do your homework and 471 01:37:05,476 --> 01:37:08,812 you've got to do the homework in the other wards. You've got 472 01:37:08,836 --> 01:37:11,900 to make a decision on air on other areas of Caledon, 473 01:37:11,980 --> 01:37:15,928 even if it's not your ward. But what the question we're asking here is how 474 01:37:15,984 --> 01:37:18,980 do the residents pick who they want to represent? 475 01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:23,208 And as far as I'm concerned, the best way is the current way that we're 476 01:37:23,224 --> 01:37:26,552 doing it and that the individuals would represent 477 01:37:26,656 --> 01:37:29,912 the three wards. Essentially, Airport Road is 478 01:37:29,936 --> 01:37:33,384 the boundary, so you have one on the east and one on the west. 479 01:37:33,552 --> 01:37:36,840 But I've never been a proponent of like. 480 01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,232 Once again, the mayor made the comment of east and west as Being against each 481 01:37:40,256 --> 01:37:43,542 other, Bolton being against the rest of Caledon. I've never 482 01:37:43,566 --> 01:37:46,854 been a proponent of any of that. And that isn't the reason why we're. 483 01:37:46,982 --> 01:37:49,910 Why I would say east and west. It's just three wards. 484 01:37:49,990 --> 01:37:53,350 One, two, three. And all of the wards that the combination 485 01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:56,982 is that some wards, some regional councilors have urban areas, 486 01:37:57,166 --> 01:38:00,262 but there's regional councillors that would have both urban and 487 01:38:00,286 --> 01:38:03,930 rural. When you look at the makeup of the actual wards, 488 01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:08,272 we do have three, four wards that 489 01:38:08,296 --> 01:38:12,224 will eventually largely be urban and we do have two wards 490 01:38:12,272 --> 01:38:16,032 that will be largely urban. Rural and villages is 491 01:38:16,056 --> 01:38:20,064 the way that it's set up. But to make sure that the representation 492 01:38:20,112 --> 01:38:23,360 is across the board is that the regional councillors will have 493 01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:27,360 both rural represent rural wards and urban wards on 494 01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,544 both sides. And that's how we came to the conclusion. So, 495 01:38:30,712 --> 01:38:34,458 you know, I'm still. I still think that 496 01:38:34,514 --> 01:38:37,642 the current system, the way we have, you know, 497 01:38:37,666 --> 01:38:40,874 we've gone through one election. I still think it's the best way 498 01:38:40,882 --> 01:38:44,538 to get representation and ensure that every resident in Caledon feels 499 01:38:44,554 --> 01:38:49,002 that they're being represented and participating evenly within the 500 01:38:49,026 --> 01:38:52,906 current regional structure as well as the current Caledon structure. 501 01:38:53,018 --> 01:38:56,762 So thank you very much. Thank you, Councillor DeBoer. And then I'm going to go 502 01:38:56,786 --> 01:39:00,420 to Councilor early and then to Councillor Kew Kieran. Councilor early, 503 01:39:00,540 --> 01:39:04,180 thank you. Thank you. Through Chair. First of all, it's really important, 504 01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:08,120 if anybody is listening from the public, that every Mississauga 505 01:39:08,780 --> 01:39:12,436 councilor on the region table has a ward. Every Brampton councilor 506 01:39:12,468 --> 01:39:15,604 on the region table has a ward. It's not that we go to the region 507 01:39:15,692 --> 01:39:18,836 table and we sit there and we talk about ward specific items. 508 01:39:18,868 --> 01:39:22,564 It's a rare occasion, there is the odd occasion where somebody's advocating 509 01:39:22,612 --> 01:39:26,382 for something in their ward, a motion is put on the floor or something from 510 01:39:26,406 --> 01:39:30,206 a region perspective attacks a certain ward in Mississauga, Brampton, Caledon. 511 01:39:30,238 --> 01:39:32,958 But it's not the norm. You go to the region, you go to the region 512 01:39:33,014 --> 01:39:35,998 to do your job, whether based on water, waste, 513 01:39:36,094 --> 01:39:39,370 roads. I know that's all changing. Social services, 514 01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:43,230 you then have another job and the other job is back in your municipality. 515 01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:46,702 For Mississauga and Brampton, that's their big job. It's their huge job. That's what they 516 01:39:46,726 --> 01:39:49,678 get paid a ton of bucks for. Here. It's a little bit different, 517 01:39:49,734 --> 01:39:53,012 right? We did a ward boundary. We're growing. We've got 518 01:39:53,036 --> 01:39:57,028 six wards, we've got two regional councillors. We're a bit more split. Our job 519 01:39:57,084 --> 01:40:00,276 became bigger this term. Because we had to take on all the extra wards. 520 01:40:00,388 --> 01:40:04,420 But when you're back in this municipality, you're working on your 521 01:40:04,460 --> 01:40:08,404 ward areas on their issues, you're going to your association meetings or 522 01:40:08,412 --> 01:40:12,260 you're going to BIA in Bolton or you're going to some of the specific items 523 01:40:12,340 --> 01:40:15,524 and to muddy the water is to say in Alton, well, 524 01:40:15,612 --> 01:40:18,332 two regional councillors are going to come and a ward councillor is going to come 525 01:40:18,356 --> 01:40:22,460 to the association. Just makes no sense. You are here working on specific 526 01:40:22,540 --> 01:40:25,596 ward issues with the ward councillor and it works well. 527 01:40:25,668 --> 01:40:29,388 It works very, very well. You know, for me I've got three and 528 01:40:29,444 --> 01:40:32,956 obviously in some cases they don't all work the same, but it works 529 01:40:32,988 --> 01:40:36,636 pretty good. And you're there as an assist for the minute for the ward councilor 530 01:40:36,668 --> 01:40:40,172 in the area and you're there to help, but you're not. No one 531 01:40:40,196 --> 01:40:43,612 should be saying that we're going with not going as 532 01:40:43,636 --> 01:40:47,452 a unity to regional councillor because council, because we are. 533 01:40:47,556 --> 01:40:50,828 And when the roads get downloaded or if they do, when this new bill comes 534 01:40:50,884 --> 01:40:53,948 and if waste is coming and all that stuff's coming, I hope we're all fighting 535 01:40:53,964 --> 01:40:56,780 for Caladan. But it's got nothing to do with wards, 536 01:40:56,940 --> 01:41:00,252 it's got everything to do. And I will say that if the waste ever got 537 01:41:00,276 --> 01:41:03,820 downloaded, someone better understand what kind of waste requirements are needed 538 01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:07,436 in rural Caledon and I mean waste buckets at a community center, et cetera, 539 01:41:07,468 --> 01:41:10,918 et cetera. So this has got nothing to do with going unified 540 01:41:11,014 --> 01:41:14,678 or east or west or. And that's truthfully I'm quite 541 01:41:14,694 --> 01:41:18,102 shocked that's even being spoke about tonight. So I'm going 542 01:41:18,126 --> 01:41:21,222 to support Ward 3 and if it gets defeated. 543 01:41:21,286 --> 01:41:25,222 Gets defeated. Thank you to Councillor Chair Mescal 544 01:41:25,286 --> 01:41:28,646 for wanting to engage the public because I think we're going to need to engage 545 01:41:28,678 --> 01:41:32,374 the public on this. But let's not get this mistaken. We have two jobs 546 01:41:32,422 --> 01:41:35,702 here, one at the region table and one at at the council table and at 547 01:41:35,726 --> 01:41:39,206 the council table that's working with your ward representatives and the 548 01:41:39,358 --> 01:41:42,850 residents in each specific ward on their issues. Thank you. 549 01:41:43,950 --> 01:41:47,174 Thank you Councelor early and thank you for your words of support. I do appreciate 550 01:41:47,222 --> 01:41:49,530 that Councelor Kieran. 551 01:41:50,430 --> 01:41:54,102 Thank you through you Chair Mel. So I 552 01:41:54,126 --> 01:41:58,022 appreciate the opportunity to speak again and I think I started this with inquiring 553 01:41:58,086 --> 01:42:02,220 about where was the public going to be engaged and 554 01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:06,432 a few things. I think Councillor DeBoer said it so well. 555 01:42:06,536 --> 01:42:10,064 We have spoken about through our discussions 556 01:42:10,112 --> 01:42:14,032 regarding our official plan and committed to the fact that 557 01:42:14,216 --> 01:42:18,352 we do have different Areas in Caledon that we are 558 01:42:18,376 --> 01:42:22,096 committed to support, including our historic hamlets 559 01:42:22,128 --> 01:42:25,856 and villages. And they have a different need. And Councillor 560 01:42:25,888 --> 01:42:29,242 DeBoer is right. An at large candidate is 561 01:42:29,266 --> 01:42:33,146 going to be focused on the concentration of doors to knock on. 562 01:42:33,298 --> 01:42:37,322 And that's just logically not going to include the 563 01:42:37,426 --> 01:42:40,586 side roads and lines and the great distances. 564 01:42:40,698 --> 01:42:44,106 That's human nature. Having said that, my question 565 01:42:44,178 --> 01:42:47,190 through you, Chair, again, to the clerk, please. 566 01:42:48,370 --> 01:42:52,090 I think there seems to be a consensus here on 567 01:42:52,130 --> 01:42:55,530 the table that, that the public need 568 01:42:55,570 --> 01:42:59,590 to be engaged. I mean, the public were engaged in our word boundary review. 569 01:42:59,890 --> 01:43:03,210 I am, you know, I am 570 01:43:03,250 --> 01:43:06,550 very interested in seeing that happen. To the clerk, please. 571 01:43:08,210 --> 01:43:11,962 Why would we not consider a deferral until we can have 572 01:43:12,146 --> 01:43:16,394 the open house and the public 573 01:43:16,482 --> 01:43:20,130 engagement on. Have your say Caledon and then bring 574 01:43:20,170 --> 01:43:23,714 this back? We should not be making a decision today without 575 01:43:23,802 --> 01:43:27,922 seeing what the. What the community says. I think this is premature. 576 01:43:28,066 --> 01:43:30,914 I'd like to hear the clerk's answer for that, if that's okay. 577 01:43:30,962 --> 01:43:34,482 Please, through the 578 01:43:34,506 --> 01:43:37,970 chair to Councillor Kieran. Thank you for the question. So if 579 01:43:38,010 --> 01:43:41,154 option three is passed, there will be no need for public consultation with the 580 01:43:41,162 --> 01:43:45,220 status quo. So if option one is 581 01:43:45,260 --> 01:43:49,044 selected, it's just to proceed with 582 01:43:49,212 --> 01:43:52,900 that public consultation component included of it on it. That will provide the 583 01:43:52,940 --> 01:43:56,452 opportunity and there will 584 01:43:56,476 --> 01:43:59,440 be a subsequent vote on the bylaw when it comes forward to council. 585 01:44:00,140 --> 01:44:03,780 So there will be that 586 01:44:03,820 --> 01:44:07,668 public consultation component, assuming that there would be also 587 01:44:07,724 --> 01:44:11,950 that requirement built into the motion for option one, and that 588 01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:15,310 would allow for the public discussion to occur. 589 01:44:15,470 --> 01:44:19,486 Option three, if passed, there would not be any public consultation. 590 01:44:19,678 --> 01:44:23,534 Thank you. Thank you through you, Chair, and thank you for that. 591 01:44:23,702 --> 01:44:27,182 So, one final question to the clerk, please. So what 592 01:44:27,206 --> 01:44:31,422 would the timeline be between that? Will that give you enough 593 01:44:31,526 --> 01:44:34,730 time to engage and get that set up? 594 01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:39,366 I think that's an important component here because I can't 595 01:44:39,398 --> 01:44:42,662 be at the end of March, Mr. Klingenberg, that's not 596 01:44:42,686 --> 01:44:46,758 going to be enough time. You've got March break coming up and families 597 01:44:46,854 --> 01:44:50,390 busy, you know, planning things. So what would that look 598 01:44:50,430 --> 01:44:54,358 like, please, through the chair. Option one 599 01:44:54,414 --> 01:44:58,086 would not bring forward the bylaw in March. I'd recommend 600 01:44:58,198 --> 01:45:00,530 by the summer. So June. 601 01:45:01,790 --> 01:45:05,520 I really appreciate that answer. And one 602 01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:09,136 more, please. I'm sorry. And thank you, Chair. I just want to say I concur 603 01:45:09,168 --> 01:45:12,860 with what the mayor said about this east west 604 01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:17,072 thing that has been discussed many times. I concur with what she has said 605 01:45:17,256 --> 01:45:20,560 and I believe that everyone on council does 606 01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:24,752 not feel that way. But I think the important thing to consider is 607 01:45:24,776 --> 01:45:27,920 that the community feels that way. And until the community 608 01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:31,252 no longer feels that way, then we have 609 01:45:31,276 --> 01:45:35,364 some work to do. And I don't want to foster that 610 01:45:35,452 --> 01:45:38,660 narrative in the community in any way, shape or 611 01:45:38,700 --> 01:45:42,372 form. And my concern is that this has the potential 612 01:45:42,436 --> 01:45:46,320 to do so. So thank you very much, Chair. 613 01:45:46,780 --> 01:45:50,772 Thank you, Councillor Kiernan. I'm going to go one more time to 614 01:45:50,796 --> 01:45:54,280 Councillor Russo and then I have some instructions. 615 01:45:55,590 --> 01:45:59,182 Thank you. Through you, Chair. Yeah, so listen to 616 01:45:59,206 --> 01:46:02,542 some of the comments. I'm a 617 01:46:02,566 --> 01:46:06,494 little confused in terms of the train of thought is truthfully, 618 01:46:06,542 --> 01:46:10,542 as it stands right now, if someone was of 619 01:46:10,566 --> 01:46:13,870 the mindset that they wanted to focus on the urban and not 620 01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:17,650 the rural, unfortunately they can do that. As it stands, 621 01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:22,300 if I as Ward 4, 5 and 6 representative 622 01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:25,232 did not take the time to focus on my word, 623 01:46:25,296 --> 01:46:28,880 4 in terms of numeric is 5 624 01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,297 and 6 would have the greater amount, no different than 1, 625 01:46:32,350 --> 01:46:35,792 2 and 3. If you focused on only 2 and 3, you'd be 626 01:46:35,816 --> 01:46:39,872 doing exactly that. The risk of someone not focusing on 627 01:46:39,896 --> 01:46:44,032 the rural exists there anyway. However you 628 01:46:44,216 --> 01:46:47,920 I, all of us when we're there and door knocking and trying 629 01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:51,546 to, you know, is we are now as the regional 630 01:46:51,578 --> 01:46:55,290 councilor, still tasked with rural 631 01:46:55,370 --> 01:46:58,510 representation and urban representation. 632 01:46:59,810 --> 01:47:03,786 The thing that I see here is all it would be is at 633 01:47:03,858 --> 01:47:08,314 large encompasses or requires that the regional 634 01:47:08,362 --> 01:47:11,770 councilor now just has a greater role in terms 635 01:47:11,810 --> 01:47:15,862 of representing the entire town. Like the mayor. 636 01:47:16,006 --> 01:47:19,398 The mayor, when they go to the doors, they're going to every 637 01:47:19,454 --> 01:47:23,270 single door. Whether they live in Bolton or whether they live in 638 01:47:23,310 --> 01:47:27,286 Terracotta or wherever they live, they represent 639 01:47:27,358 --> 01:47:31,254 all Caledon. You're tasked to make the 640 01:47:31,342 --> 01:47:35,318 voter feel like you're going to be their voice. And that's our 641 01:47:35,374 --> 01:47:38,838 job, regardless. The way 642 01:47:38,894 --> 01:47:42,304 I look at this is how I work with 643 01:47:42,392 --> 01:47:46,656 my local councilor in Ward 5 or 6 or 4 644 01:47:46,808 --> 01:47:51,248 is they focus on a day to day basis on the local issues. 645 01:47:51,384 --> 01:47:55,072 But that doesn't negate that if a local issue comes to me that I 646 01:47:55,096 --> 01:47:58,300 just pawn it off on my local counselor, I will still deal with it. 647 01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,768 We deal with it collectively. So you have two 648 01:48:02,824 --> 01:48:06,352 representatives dealing with this when you have 649 01:48:06,376 --> 01:48:09,696 an issue along with the mayor. So fundamentally three, 650 01:48:09,848 --> 01:48:14,624 I feel this would just give the resident four representatives 651 01:48:14,672 --> 01:48:18,208 because having someone on your side that 652 01:48:18,264 --> 01:48:22,320 understands the issues at large is 653 01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:25,648 a fundamental plus. I pride myself, 654 01:48:25,744 --> 01:48:29,392 and I think all of us do that. We actually, regardless of 655 01:48:29,416 --> 01:48:32,814 If I represent 4 or 5 and 6, if there's an issue in Ward 656 01:48:32,894 --> 01:48:36,852 1, 2 or 3 and I'm able to attend, I'M happy to attend. 657 01:48:36,996 --> 01:48:40,564 And I feel like because when. When I wear this pin 658 01:48:40,612 --> 01:48:44,036 that says Caledon. I'm a Caledon councillor. I may 659 01:48:44,108 --> 01:48:47,556 represent 4, 5 and 6, but if an issue 660 01:48:47,628 --> 01:48:50,852 comes before us, we're here to vote on it 661 01:48:50,956 --> 01:48:54,276 overall. So how it changes the dynamic. 662 01:48:54,388 --> 01:48:57,700 I feel that history teaches us something and why 663 01:48:57,740 --> 01:49:01,342 some of the. The municipalities around us 664 01:49:01,446 --> 01:49:05,678 have. Have the at large system is we were forced 665 01:49:05,774 --> 01:49:09,610 to go into this and we only have one term 666 01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:13,870 of knowledge base right now, two and a half years technically. 667 01:49:14,030 --> 01:49:17,438 And we're learning as we go along. I feel that's what's super 668 01:49:17,494 --> 01:49:21,406 important. Why we didn't have a full ward 669 01:49:21,438 --> 01:49:25,420 review at this time is. It would be premature for that. We haven't given 670 01:49:25,460 --> 01:49:29,916 it enough time. We haven't gone through the influx 671 01:49:29,948 --> 01:49:34,000 of residents at this point in time to justify changing the wards. 672 01:49:34,420 --> 01:49:37,932 But as we progress, there's a maturity that's going to have 673 01:49:37,956 --> 01:49:41,640 to occur is the local councilors. In my mind, 674 01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:45,484 this whole conversation of part time is going 675 01:49:45,492 --> 01:49:47,880 to have to be gone in a few years from now. 676 01:49:48,660 --> 01:49:52,668 But perhaps now is still not the time. The at 677 01:49:52,724 --> 01:49:56,348 large is. I see it as a stepping stone of saying, okay, 678 01:49:56,524 --> 01:49:59,564 we are different than Mississauga and Brampton and we will remain to 679 01:49:59,572 --> 01:50:02,828 be different. How do only three 680 01:50:02,884 --> 01:50:06,412 representatives do the best job possible for 681 01:50:06,436 --> 01:50:11,212 the residents of Caledon? And I feel having us understand 682 01:50:11,396 --> 01:50:15,244 every single issue thoroughly is only a benefit to the residents 683 01:50:15,292 --> 01:50:19,142 of Caledon and say, hey, I don't only have one 684 01:50:19,166 --> 01:50:22,902 regional counselor. I have two regional counselors I can go to. And if this one 685 01:50:22,926 --> 01:50:26,502 is busy dealing with an item, I can go to the other. It happens 686 01:50:26,566 --> 01:50:29,830 intrinsically now anyway. There's times that people don't even 687 01:50:29,870 --> 01:50:33,238 understand their own wards and say, 688 01:50:33,294 --> 01:50:36,486 hey, can you help me here? I'll say your regional 689 01:50:36,518 --> 01:50:39,622 counselor is councilor early or whatever, but happy to help at this 690 01:50:39,646 --> 01:50:43,142 point in time speak to staff about this or that. So we're doing it on 691 01:50:43,166 --> 01:50:46,606 a daily basis, but it just creates a. There is 692 01:50:46,678 --> 01:50:50,734 no, There is no boundary. You are representing 693 01:50:50,782 --> 01:50:54,366 Kaladin. If you are a regional counselor or the mayor, it just gives 694 01:50:54,398 --> 01:50:58,014 you more representation to the actual residents. So how I see. 695 01:50:58,102 --> 01:51:01,374 I don't see that as a negative. I see it as a positive. The public 696 01:51:01,462 --> 01:51:05,038 component is something that happy to include that 697 01:51:05,094 --> 01:51:08,910 in the actual motion itself. And I feel that that can 698 01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:12,756 actually be parlayed to actually lead us into the further 699 01:51:12,828 --> 01:51:15,940 conversations of, hey, we made a decision not to 700 01:51:15,980 --> 01:51:19,428 actually have a board award boundary review. What do you feel about 701 01:51:19,484 --> 01:51:23,440 this? We can have further dialogues and reading the report, 702 01:51:24,380 --> 01:51:27,876 there's an obligation to work with the region here anyway, so we're 703 01:51:27,908 --> 01:51:31,364 going to have to have a lot of dialogue. This just gives the 704 01:51:31,452 --> 01:51:36,206 resident an understanding of what their representatives are leaning 705 01:51:36,238 --> 01:51:39,758 towards and why. Happy to have those 706 01:51:39,814 --> 01:51:43,550 conversations with our residents. I think it's super important because if 707 01:51:43,590 --> 01:51:47,726 at the end of this dialogue, the residents feel that it's 708 01:51:47,758 --> 01:51:52,094 premature, then, hey, we will listen to our residents. 709 01:51:52,222 --> 01:51:55,886 But if the outcome is that, you know what, that makes sense. 710 01:51:56,078 --> 01:51:59,662 So why wouldn't we initiate the process as 711 01:51:59,686 --> 01:52:02,530 opposed to status quo and not changing anything? 712 01:52:04,710 --> 01:52:08,014 Thank you, Councillor Russo and Councillor Sheen. 713 01:52:08,062 --> 01:52:09,890 You have your second opportunity to speak. 714 01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:14,638 Thank you, Chair Maskell. Again, you know, people are making 715 01:52:14,694 --> 01:52:18,530 some very convincing arguments for both sides of this conversation. 716 01:52:19,590 --> 01:52:22,990 So going back to my original 717 01:52:23,150 --> 01:52:27,086 concern, which really echoes Councillor Kiernan's concern, 718 01:52:27,238 --> 01:52:30,602 I feel like this is something that is really kind of an 719 01:52:30,626 --> 01:52:34,346 effort to tweak the results of our ward boundary 720 01:52:34,378 --> 01:52:39,098 review in the last term of council. This is kind of sort 721 01:52:39,114 --> 01:52:42,266 of a mini version of that. And I would like to propose 722 01:52:42,298 --> 01:52:45,226 a referral motion where we don't. 723 01:52:45,338 --> 01:52:49,034 That results in us not voting on these three options today, 724 01:52:49,202 --> 01:52:53,034 refers it back to staff to conduct that consultation with 725 01:52:53,122 --> 01:52:56,852 the community. It doesn't have to be long or extensive, but it 726 01:52:56,876 --> 01:53:00,212 has to be extensive enough that 727 01:53:00,236 --> 01:53:03,540 we get a good read from the residents on how 728 01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:06,772 they want to be represented. I think a lot of good arguments have been made 729 01:53:06,796 --> 01:53:10,612 here today, but I think probably 730 01:53:10,676 --> 01:53:15,220 the way there are some firmly held feelings about it here, 731 01:53:15,340 --> 01:53:18,404 probably there are some firmly held feelings about it in the public, 732 01:53:18,572 --> 01:53:22,240 and I think we should tap. Tap into that public sentiment 733 01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:26,464 and get a read on it before we're forced into making a decision here today. 734 01:53:26,632 --> 01:53:29,872 So I'd like to refer it back to staff and give 735 01:53:29,896 --> 01:53:32,420 them as much time as they need, a couple of months, probably, 736 01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,420 to conduct that kind of consultation. 737 01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:43,264 Thank you, Councillor Sheen. So we have 738 01:53:43,352 --> 01:53:46,840 a motion on the floor and now we have a motion to refer. 739 01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:50,356 So I'm going to defer to the deputy clerk 740 01:53:50,548 --> 01:53:53,800 to. As to how to proceed, 741 01:53:54,700 --> 01:53:57,940 not to speak on. On behalf of the municipal clerk. But I. I might 742 01:53:57,980 --> 01:54:01,588 just ask Councillor Sheen for a point of clarification. If you're 743 01:54:01,604 --> 01:54:05,280 move. If you're moving the motion as a whole or in part, 744 01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:09,600 if you move the clause that pertains to 745 01:54:10,060 --> 01:54:13,322 the option that's being sought from council today, if you 746 01:54:13,346 --> 01:54:17,146 refer that back to staff as a. 747 01:54:17,298 --> 01:54:20,618 If you split the question to refer just that portion back to staff, 748 01:54:20,674 --> 01:54:24,522 it would allow staff to continue with the accessibility Advisory 749 01:54:24,586 --> 01:54:28,842 Committee consultation that had been noted in the other clauses 750 01:54:28,986 --> 01:54:31,230 of the staff report recommendation. 751 01:54:34,610 --> 01:54:37,450 So what we're looking for, Councillor Sheena, is a split vote then on that. 752 01:54:37,490 --> 01:54:39,898 So we don't want. We want to be able to proceed with the other pieces. 753 01:54:39,994 --> 01:54:42,942 That makes total, total sense. I don't want to come up the works. I just 754 01:54:42,966 --> 01:54:45,370 want to consult with the public. Thank you. 755 01:54:48,230 --> 01:54:51,806 Yeah. Do we have someone 756 01:54:51,878 --> 01:54:54,450 who would second Counselor Sheen's referral? 757 01:54:55,990 --> 01:55:04,574 Councilor Early Councilor 758 01:55:04,622 --> 01:55:08,344 Sheen, Would there be any timing on the referral? I would leave it 759 01:55:08,352 --> 01:55:11,912 to the. I mean, I know the clerks are busy, they've got a lot 760 01:55:11,936 --> 01:55:15,768 on their plate at any given time, but my sense 761 01:55:15,784 --> 01:55:18,872 would be a couple of months. But I'd rely on the clerk to give us 762 01:55:18,896 --> 01:55:22,380 his advice. Mr. Klingenberg, 763 01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,512 through the chair. A couple months would be 764 01:55:27,536 --> 01:55:31,060 required. If I can, 765 01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:36,172 if I may. The referral to do public consultation 766 01:55:36,316 --> 01:55:40,124 could also be alternatively done through selection of option one 767 01:55:40,292 --> 01:55:44,092 and to add that council direct staff to, 768 01:55:44,196 --> 01:55:48,332 as a component of that, complete public consultations 769 01:55:48,396 --> 01:55:51,852 for that matter. And then the 770 01:55:51,876 --> 01:55:55,516 bylaw could not be delayed as long and 771 01:55:55,668 --> 01:55:58,680 it could still go forward in June. So my. 772 01:55:59,380 --> 01:56:03,034 If public consultation is sought, then option 773 01:56:03,082 --> 01:56:06,810 one would be the approach to take. If I may advise 774 01:56:06,970 --> 01:56:10,250 council and then whether or not 775 01:56:10,290 --> 01:56:16,186 to proceed with option one would be to vote 776 01:56:16,218 --> 01:56:19,750 on the bylaw when it comes back after the public consultation is done. 777 01:56:20,050 --> 01:56:23,482 So it would allow for a bylaw to come forward for a 778 01:56:23,506 --> 01:56:26,270 council vote based off of the public consultation. 779 01:56:29,020 --> 01:56:32,564 Thank. Thank you. Thank you. I just want to. 780 01:56:32,732 --> 01:56:35,604 I kind of. I heard you say that a couple of times that if we 781 01:56:35,612 --> 01:56:39,076 voted on option one, there would still be an opportunity 782 01:56:39,108 --> 01:56:43,156 for public consultation. But I made my referral motion knowing 783 01:56:43,188 --> 01:56:46,692 that anyway, because I think feel like it would help us all not 784 01:56:46,716 --> 01:56:50,740 to tip our hand about how we each feel on this issue and 785 01:56:50,860 --> 01:56:54,622 not provide a. Even a slightly biased view of where we 786 01:56:54,646 --> 01:56:58,238 want to go with it and put it in the public realm. Let them provide 787 01:56:58,294 --> 01:57:02,410 their input and then we'll make our decision when the time comes. 788 01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:06,670 Thank you, Councillor Sheen. Councillor Deber, are you speaking to the referral? 789 01:57:06,830 --> 01:57:08,490 Yeah, and I think. 790 01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:13,886 I'm not sure what where the comment was that Councillor Sheen 791 01:57:13,918 --> 01:57:17,050 had made, but I think that the council, 792 01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:20,928 that the residents should be allowed to decide if we're 793 01:57:20,944 --> 01:57:25,152 going, rather than going into having to support option one 794 01:57:25,336 --> 01:57:28,767 and presenting that to the community. Allow the community to decide between 1, 795 01:57:28,808 --> 01:57:32,544 2 or 3, then allow the community to make the decision that if 796 01:57:32,552 --> 01:57:36,080 they want to stake with the status quo, rather than making a decision and saying 797 01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:38,832 this is what we're doing and we're going to have a public meeting based on 798 01:57:38,856 --> 01:57:42,336 this. If I'm understanding the clerk 799 01:57:42,368 --> 01:57:45,674 correctly, I really think that, you know, we just defer 800 01:57:45,722 --> 01:57:49,430 this whole option to a public meeting and to a public process. 801 01:57:51,010 --> 01:57:54,590 Thank you. Councillor Boer, are there any other speakers to the referral? 802 01:57:58,530 --> 01:58:02,350 Seeing none, I guess, Kurt, we would call the vote. 803 01:58:04,130 --> 01:58:07,738 So through the chair, just to confirm, 804 01:58:07,914 --> 01:58:11,492 I have a referral motion which we have a 805 01:58:11,516 --> 01:58:15,108 draft of to be displayed, and it 806 01:58:15,164 --> 01:58:18,708 would provide that the first clause as outlined 807 01:58:18,724 --> 01:58:22,212 in the staff report and completed by council to reference option 808 01:58:22,276 --> 01:58:26,084 three regarding the status quo, that that 809 01:58:26,252 --> 01:58:29,812 selection be referred to consideration at a future meeting 810 01:58:29,996 --> 01:58:33,828 and accompanied with some public engagement. 811 01:58:34,004 --> 01:58:37,400 I think we've got some draft language coming up there. 812 01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:41,100 I have it moved by Councelor Sheen and seconded by Councelor Early. 813 01:59:02,930 --> 01:59:37,332 It's so 814 01:59:37,356 --> 01:59:40,440 through the chair, this was the clause that will be referred. 815 01:59:49,980 --> 01:59:53,540 I thought. I don't think this captures what we're looking for here. 816 01:59:53,660 --> 01:59:57,654 From my feeling, I think we want to. My feeling 817 01:59:57,702 --> 02:00:01,158 as the chair and hearing everyone speak today, that we don't 818 02:00:01,174 --> 02:00:04,822 want to necessarily proceed with any option at this 819 02:00:04,846 --> 02:00:08,054 point. If Councillor Sheen said tipping your hand one way or the 820 02:00:08,062 --> 02:00:11,846 other, I think we want to make sure that we're putting it out that 821 02:00:11,918 --> 02:00:14,902 all options are on the table. We want to hear from the public, and then 822 02:00:14,926 --> 02:00:18,502 we're coming back to make a decision after that. So I don't really think 823 02:00:18,526 --> 02:00:21,862 that captures what I think Councillor Sheen, you were saying, nor what 824 02:00:21,886 --> 02:00:25,014 I heard from many people here today, too. 825 02:00:25,102 --> 02:00:28,166 So through the chair, this represents 826 02:00:28,198 --> 02:00:31,542 what was initially moved and seconded by Councilor Deborah in 827 02:00:31,566 --> 02:00:34,646 Early when it was first tabled by the committee. 828 02:00:34,798 --> 02:00:39,814 The language that Zach has drafted there provides 829 02:00:39,862 --> 02:00:43,142 a little bit more for the discussion that's developed over 830 02:00:43,166 --> 02:00:46,598 the course of the meeting to provide that staff 831 02:00:46,654 --> 02:00:50,138 report back following some consultation and important. But. 832 02:00:50,194 --> 02:00:53,946 So there's a little bit of a disconnect there between 833 02:00:54,018 --> 02:00:58,186 what was initially tabled versus what is being referred and 834 02:00:58,258 --> 02:01:01,770 sought back for some further work 835 02:01:01,810 --> 02:01:05,082 by staff. So do we need to take that motion that was tabled off 836 02:01:05,106 --> 02:01:08,954 the floor then? So the referral 837 02:01:09,002 --> 02:01:12,698 takes precedence, but we've worked some language 838 02:01:12,794 --> 02:01:16,932 into the referral to recognize counsel's 839 02:01:16,996 --> 02:01:20,360 direction on the matter. Okay, Councillor Russo, 840 02:01:22,380 --> 02:01:26,276 through the chair. I don't want to put words in to Councillor 841 02:01:26,308 --> 02:01:29,732 Early's mouth, but I think what was being asked is, 842 02:01:29,836 --> 02:01:33,684 can we get clause one put on the actual screen so 843 02:01:33,692 --> 02:01:37,252 that. Because we're speaking to clause one in 844 02:01:37,356 --> 02:01:41,436 of what we're referring. So let's be very clear on what clause one is. 845 02:01:41,628 --> 02:01:44,400 So we're recognizing what's being referred. 846 02:01:52,660 --> 02:01:56,280 So, Zach, they are looking for 847 02:01:57,220 --> 02:02:00,572 clause one instead of the clause three that was, 848 02:02:00,676 --> 02:02:03,692 that is incorporated to the motion there. I don't know if you might still have 849 02:02:03,716 --> 02:02:04,720 that language. 850 02:02:07,710 --> 02:02:11,366 I don't think that either, either option 851 02:02:11,478 --> 02:02:15,334 should be identified. I think you can identify, you can ask for clarification 852 02:02:15,382 --> 02:02:18,934 on what option one was. But I think the intent is to 853 02:02:19,022 --> 02:02:21,690 refer the motion with no option. 854 02:02:22,750 --> 02:02:26,438 Is the intent test all of a sudden turn an option into 855 02:02:26,494 --> 02:02:29,974 the motion is the same thing as turning 856 02:02:30,102 --> 02:02:33,472 option three in as part of the motion, then referring that back. I think 857 02:02:33,496 --> 02:02:37,424 the intent was the motion that you had there without referring to 858 02:02:37,592 --> 02:02:41,104 any of the three options, which is all I would support. If we're going to 859 02:02:41,112 --> 02:02:44,432 identify an option that we're going to present to the, to the residents of 860 02:02:44,456 --> 02:02:48,160 Caledon, that isn't the intent and that isn't anything that 861 02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:53,520 I would support. Deputy Clerk, clarity through 862 02:02:53,560 --> 02:02:54,300 the chair. 863 02:02:56,760 --> 02:03:00,336 Option one provides that the town of Caledon exercises its 864 02:03:00,408 --> 02:03:04,720 authority under the Regional municipality appeal Act 2005 865 02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:08,864 to change the method of electing its regional council representatives 866 02:03:08,992 --> 02:03:12,720 from voting based on ward to voting at large. Council is 867 02:03:12,760 --> 02:03:16,340 correct that that's not explicitly provided for in the referral. 868 02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:20,784 I want to reassure council that I think staff has 869 02:03:20,872 --> 02:03:26,078 understood the direction here today to take 870 02:03:26,224 --> 02:03:30,466 back the question as a whole about the method of 871 02:03:30,538 --> 02:03:35,810 election with regard to the regional councils, not necessarily with 872 02:03:35,850 --> 02:03:39,030 a specific recommendation in mind. I think that direction 873 02:03:40,090 --> 02:03:43,282 has been well established through the 874 02:03:43,306 --> 02:03:47,778 discussion here today. We are discussing 875 02:03:47,874 --> 02:03:51,378 the referral a little bit more than the procedural bylaw might 876 02:03:51,434 --> 02:03:55,618 like us to at this point point. But I 877 02:03:55,674 --> 02:03:58,834 think that the referral C 878 02:03:58,922 --> 02:04:02,082 captures that intention that has been expressed by council 879 02:04:02,186 --> 02:04:06,242 for, for a future staff report and to 880 02:04:06,266 --> 02:04:09,430 provide for some opportunities for that public engagement. 881 02:04:11,050 --> 02:04:14,930 I would defer to the chair. I think that there's an additional question from 882 02:04:14,970 --> 02:04:17,682 Councilor Sheen. Counselor Sheen, 883 02:04:17,826 --> 02:04:20,992 thank you. I, I, I, I just wanted to 884 02:04:21,016 --> 02:04:24,656 confirm that Councillor Maskell summarized what I was trying to do and Councillor 885 02:04:24,688 --> 02:04:28,320 DeBoer also summarized what I was trying to do, which was refer the 886 02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:31,952 whole question back to staff with the exception of 887 02:04:31,976 --> 02:04:35,328 the proceeding with the consultation about 888 02:04:35,384 --> 02:04:39,264 accessibility. But I realized the confusion now 889 02:04:39,352 --> 02:04:42,688 that the Deputy Clerk has been explaining because there's already a motion 890 02:04:42,704 --> 02:04:46,682 on the floor. Now, I understand what the problem is, but my intention was 891 02:04:46,786 --> 02:04:51,098 to refer the entire staff report with respect to 892 02:04:51,234 --> 02:04:54,794 having choices there and not tip our hands about what our preferences are. 893 02:04:54,882 --> 02:04:57,226 So however we get to that, I don't know what you do with the Motion 894 02:04:57,258 --> 02:05:00,474 that's on the floor, but I'm trying to refer this whole 895 02:05:00,522 --> 02:05:03,786 question without tipping our hand. Thank you. 896 02:05:03,938 --> 02:05:07,066 Okay, so I think if I proceeding 897 02:05:07,098 --> 02:05:10,602 we need to vote on the motion and get 898 02:05:10,626 --> 02:05:13,994 that cleared off the table and then we can. Then we can deal with the 899 02:05:14,002 --> 02:05:17,594 referral. Is that correct? The referral 900 02:05:17,642 --> 02:05:21,242 takes precedent through the chair. If, if we would 901 02:05:21,266 --> 02:05:25,146 like to take a recess and staff can have further consultation 902 02:05:25,178 --> 02:05:28,362 and refine the wording with the mover and seconder to make sure that we're all 903 02:05:28,386 --> 02:05:31,370 on the same page, we would be very happy to do so. Perfect. Sure. 904 02:05:31,410 --> 02:05:34,762 Let's take five. Chair. Chair. Can I speak first? My hand has 905 02:05:34,786 --> 02:05:37,710 been up. Please. Councillor Kieran, 906 02:05:38,150 --> 02:05:41,390 thank you very much. And through you. So I think this is getting 907 02:05:41,510 --> 02:05:45,214 pretty convoluted and I 908 02:05:45,222 --> 02:05:49,130 think Councillor Sheen said it right, as did you, chair, 909 02:05:49,830 --> 02:05:55,166 that the intent is to have 910 02:05:55,238 --> 02:05:58,430 everything referred back paused until we can 911 02:05:58,470 --> 02:06:02,158 engage with the community. And I think we're getting 912 02:06:02,294 --> 02:06:05,358 down a rabbit hole and it's getting convoluted. 913 02:06:05,454 --> 02:06:09,086 But I have to agree with Councillor DeBoer, you, Chair and Councillor 914 02:06:09,118 --> 02:06:12,522 Sheen. The intent is to not bring an 915 02:06:12,546 --> 02:06:15,630 option forward, not do this, to refer the entire. 916 02:06:16,770 --> 02:06:21,470 The entire report regardless of that option. 917 02:06:21,890 --> 02:06:25,322 Require the public. Well, maybe it does. Maybe the public wants to 918 02:06:25,346 --> 02:06:28,810 comment on option three as well, sir. So I really 919 02:06:28,850 --> 02:06:32,906 do think that this is getting convoluted potentially 920 02:06:32,938 --> 02:06:36,646 unnecessarily. And I think to simplify it, as councelor 921 02:06:36,678 --> 02:06:40,246 Sheen had said, it's the entire report that we want 922 02:06:40,398 --> 02:06:43,830 referred back. Thank you. Thank you, 923 02:06:43,870 --> 02:06:48,710 Councilor Kieran. Mr. Klingberg, you have a comment through 924 02:06:48,750 --> 02:06:52,566 the chair to committee. Yes. So I just wanted 925 02:06:52,598 --> 02:06:56,006 to provide a little bit of perspective. I believe what 926 02:06:56,158 --> 02:07:00,650 the intent here is is to refer the first clause 927 02:07:01,560 --> 02:07:04,460 to determine which option 1, 2 or 3. 928 02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:08,880 So I would suggest some 929 02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:12,752 the referral language to reflect it being the first clause 930 02:07:12,896 --> 02:07:17,136 without referencing a specific option. 931 02:07:17,328 --> 02:07:21,072 And also for consideration if a 932 02:07:21,096 --> 02:07:24,480 referral does carry, I would request a 933 02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:28,120 shorter turnaround because this there is option to still at 934 02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:31,752 play and options two will require some time and 935 02:07:31,776 --> 02:07:35,272 it has to get done by the end of the year before the 936 02:07:35,296 --> 02:07:39,416 election year. And there would be the regents requirement 937 02:07:39,528 --> 02:07:43,096 to also do a public 938 02:07:43,168 --> 02:07:48,040 meeting at their composition if 939 02:07:48,080 --> 02:07:52,312 option two is selected. And that would be what the public input does. 940 02:07:52,496 --> 02:07:55,982 So we would need if we are going to refer this entire clause 941 02:07:56,046 --> 02:07:58,490 back for public for a public meeting, 942 02:07:59,750 --> 02:08:03,502 it would require a shorter turnaround and I would request May the 943 02:08:03,526 --> 02:08:06,970 6th General Committee for that report back. Thank you. 944 02:08:08,710 --> 02:08:12,158 Thank you. Clerk Klingenberg for the Clarification So, 945 02:08:12,214 --> 02:08:14,650 seeing no speakers now, 946 02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:19,102 do you want to take five minutes to get this all figured out 947 02:08:19,126 --> 02:08:22,386 and then we'll come back and. Yes, proceed. That would be great. Perfect. 948 02:08:22,418 --> 02:08:24,670 Thank you very much. We'll take five. 949 02:21:38,320 --> 02:21:42,340 Okay, let's. Let's try to get back at this and 950 02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:46,040 maybe we can. We can move this out of the way by 951 02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:51,576 5:00. All right, so let's 952 02:21:51,608 --> 02:21:55,464 start to proceed here. So, Deputy Clerk, you want to give us some advice 953 02:21:55,512 --> 02:21:59,142 as to how we're going to proceed here? Absolutely. Thank you. Through you, Mr. 954 02:21:59,206 --> 02:22:02,970 Chair, if Council would permit me the opportunity, 955 02:22:03,310 --> 02:22:07,210 what we have prepared in front of you today and displayed on screen 956 02:22:07,790 --> 02:22:10,998 is the initial staff report recommendation 957 02:22:11,174 --> 02:22:14,390 with the clause in question. And I 958 02:22:14,430 --> 02:22:18,262 think there was some confusion there with regard to a reference to an option 959 02:22:18,326 --> 02:22:22,374 versus a clause. I'm referring to that first paragraph highlighted 960 02:22:22,422 --> 02:22:26,308 in yellow there as a clause. It's my understanding that 961 02:22:26,364 --> 02:22:30,100 following the staff report recommendation being tabled by 962 02:22:30,140 --> 02:22:33,380 councillors DeBoer and Early, that there was 963 02:22:33,420 --> 02:22:37,220 a request from Councillors Sheen and 964 02:22:37,260 --> 02:22:40,612 Early to refer the portion of the 965 02:22:40,636 --> 02:22:44,804 staff report with respect to the regional councilor 966 02:22:44,852 --> 02:22:49,160 composition to a future meeting following public engagement. 967 02:22:51,140 --> 02:22:54,240 So if we can scroll down a little bit, Zach, 968 02:22:55,620 --> 02:22:59,900 we have before you what we understand that proposed partial 969 02:22:59,980 --> 02:23:03,852 referral language to be that that first clause of 970 02:23:03,876 --> 02:23:07,804 the staff report recommendation be referred back to staff to prepare 971 02:23:07,852 --> 02:23:11,932 an additional report following that public consultation and engagement 972 02:23:11,996 --> 02:23:15,484 process. And so we differentiate that language 973 02:23:15,532 --> 02:23:18,980 there without an option indicated, as was kept council's 974 02:23:19,400 --> 02:23:22,620 preference through the discussion here today. 975 02:23:23,400 --> 02:23:26,658 And it provides a May 6, 976 02:23:26,806 --> 02:23:30,992 2025 return report, which I believe 977 02:23:31,096 --> 02:23:33,380 was to the satisfaction of the clerk. 978 02:23:34,760 --> 02:23:38,448 And so then what we also have before you proposed 979 02:23:38,624 --> 02:23:42,416 is the balance of that staff report recommendation 980 02:23:42,608 --> 02:23:46,106 as initially moved and seconded by councillors 981 02:23:46,138 --> 02:23:49,690 DeBoer and Early, which provides that staff are able 982 02:23:49,730 --> 02:23:53,114 to proceed with the consultation to the 983 02:23:53,282 --> 02:23:56,602 Accessibility Advisory Committee and the 984 02:23:56,626 --> 02:24:00,394 additional consultation pieces noted within the staff recommendation of 985 02:24:00,402 --> 02:24:03,610 the report. It is my understanding that this 986 02:24:03,650 --> 02:24:07,194 captures the direction and discussion from Council 987 02:24:07,282 --> 02:24:11,244 here today, but I would be happy to answer any question, questions of clarification, 988 02:24:11,292 --> 02:24:14,620 if I can, about where we might have 989 02:24:14,660 --> 02:24:18,252 missed an element. Thank you, 990 02:24:18,276 --> 02:24:21,724 Mr. Chair, for your indulgence. Thank you. A lot of 991 02:24:21,732 --> 02:24:25,180 work there. So thank you very much. And so 992 02:24:25,220 --> 02:24:28,364 I guess the first thing we would do is proceed with the vote on the 993 02:24:28,452 --> 02:24:31,948 partial referral. Okay, 994 02:24:32,124 --> 02:24:35,532 so I guess we would. At this point, we would need to be calling the 995 02:24:35,556 --> 02:24:37,700 vote on the partial Referral, please. 996 02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:42,940 Councillor DeBoer in favor. 997 02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:45,740 Councilor early in favor. 998 02:24:46,640 --> 02:24:50,060 Councilor Kiernan in favor. 999 02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:53,660 Councilor Napoli Opposed. 1000 02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:56,700 Councilor Rosa? Opposed. 1001 02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:00,300 Councilor Russo? Opposed. 1002 02:25:01,440 --> 02:25:05,160 Councilor Sheen? In favor. Mayor Groves? 1003 02:25:05,240 --> 02:25:08,808 Opposed. Chair Mascel? 1004 02:25:08,904 --> 02:25:09,900 In favor. 1005 02:25:14,240 --> 02:25:16,300 Through the chair. The motion carries. 1006 02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:29,192 And so if it please the chair, we can move to 1007 02:25:29,216 --> 02:25:33,084 the balance of that staff report recommendation. Okay, moving to 1008 02:25:33,092 --> 02:25:36,320 vote on the balance of the staff report recommendation. 1009 02:25:40,740 --> 02:25:43,200 Councillor DeBoer? In favor. 1010 02:25:44,500 --> 02:25:46,720 Councilor Early? In favor. 1011 02:25:47,780 --> 02:25:51,520 Councilor Kiernan? In favor. 1012 02:25:52,740 --> 02:25:55,200 Councilor Napoli? In favor. 1013 02:25:56,260 --> 02:25:59,540 Councilor Rosa? In favor. 1014 02:26:00,280 --> 02:26:02,900 Councilor Russo? In favor. 1015 02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:07,392 Councilor Sheen? In favor. Mayor Groves? 1016 02:26:07,456 --> 02:26:11,040 In favor. Chair Mascal? In favor. Through the chair. 1017 02:26:11,080 --> 02:26:12,180 The motion carries. 1018 02:26:22,920 --> 02:26:26,640 Okay, so we all finished with that? Okay, great. Thank you very much. 1019 02:26:27,420 --> 02:26:30,843 I guess the next item would be item 10.3, 1020 02:26:31,036 --> 02:26:34,740 staff report 2025 0108, 1021 02:26:34,860 --> 02:26:38,452 Palgrave Tennis Club, State of good repair. 1022 02:26:38,596 --> 02:26:41,960 And I did hold this motion, 1023 02:26:43,340 --> 02:26:47,092 sorry, staff report, not necessarily 1024 02:26:47,236 --> 02:26:51,178 regarding the contents of this, of the staff report itself, 1025 02:26:51,324 --> 02:26:55,150 but what I really wanted to do was follow up on discussions that 1026 02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:59,650 were had by this council during our budget deliberations 1027 02:27:00,230 --> 02:27:03,610 regarding the stewardship agreements with 1028 02:27:04,230 --> 02:27:07,326 the tennis clubs in the town of Caledon. 1029 02:27:07,358 --> 02:27:10,782 And I brought that up during the budget talks where we were trying 1030 02:27:10,806 --> 02:27:14,814 to figure out how we could get better town 1031 02:27:14,902 --> 02:27:18,564 access, public access to the courts. I understand that there's very 1032 02:27:18,702 --> 02:27:22,632 limited access, and we've been engaged in numerous repairs over the 1033 02:27:22,656 --> 02:27:26,180 years where we provided up to 50% of the funding for 1034 02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:30,088 repairs to these courts, but we don't have adequate 1035 02:27:30,264 --> 02:27:33,960 public access. So I'm really just wondering if there's been any, Any follow 1036 02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:37,432 up to that discussion that was held in December and 1037 02:27:37,456 --> 02:27:40,648 where we're at with that and when we can expect something coming forward. I'm sure, 1038 02:27:40,704 --> 02:27:44,424 Mr. Ahoy, if you're able to. To deal with that at this time, but I 1039 02:27:44,432 --> 02:27:47,524 just want to make sure was on the record this evening, that we need to 1040 02:27:47,532 --> 02:27:50,820 make some progress with that. Thank you to you, 1041 02:27:50,860 --> 02:27:54,036 Chair. Yeah, so staff have initiated 1042 02:27:54,068 --> 02:27:58,164 discussions internally. I think I'm meeting on Friday with recreation 1043 02:27:58,212 --> 02:28:01,572 staff who lead that process to discuss our approach to how 1044 02:28:01,596 --> 02:28:05,156 we will move forward with these service or stewardship agreements with tennis 1045 02:28:05,188 --> 02:28:08,852 clubs. Okay, so that's coming up to this Friday. 1046 02:28:09,036 --> 02:28:13,314 Internally, staff will be discussing how we're going to move forward in discussing 1047 02:28:13,362 --> 02:28:16,610 with the tennis clubs, their stewardship agreements. Okay. Do you think was that something 1048 02:28:16,650 --> 02:28:19,938 that would come back to this council in the form of some 1049 02:28:19,994 --> 02:28:23,522 sort of a memorandum? Because it was part of our discussions here 1050 02:28:23,546 --> 02:28:27,058 at budget time, and I know a number of councilors were very interested in seeing 1051 02:28:27,154 --> 02:28:28,910 where those discussions would go. 1052 02:28:30,570 --> 02:28:33,634 You. Chair? Yeah, I. I believe through those discussions, 1053 02:28:33,682 --> 02:28:36,514 we will Come up with proposals of how we want to move forward. And I 1054 02:28:36,522 --> 02:28:39,292 think that would be better if we. We had council support for how we would 1055 02:28:39,316 --> 02:28:42,044 move forward with that. Okay. To the. So will that be in the form of 1056 02:28:42,052 --> 02:28:44,600 a staff report or memorandum, do you think? 1057 02:28:46,900 --> 02:28:50,636 I would probably choose a. A staff report. So at least it has some recommendation 1058 02:28:50,668 --> 02:28:53,680 and some teeth behind it, as opposed to a memorandum. Okay. 1059 02:28:55,060 --> 02:28:58,440 Councelor. Oh, sorry, is that. Who's that? 1060 02:28:59,940 --> 02:29:02,844 No, that's. That's that Jason there. Mr. 1061 02:29:02,892 --> 02:29:06,080 Shield Roth, you have your hand up? Yes, 1062 02:29:06,420 --> 02:29:09,964 through the chair. I just wanted to reiterate what Mr. 1063 02:29:10,012 --> 02:29:12,812 Hoy was suggesting. So we are in the process, as well as working on a 1064 02:29:12,836 --> 02:29:16,876 council workshop to discuss tenants agreements, options and some deeper 1065 02:29:16,908 --> 02:29:19,932 information for council. So we are looking at a date in either April or May 1066 02:29:19,956 --> 02:29:23,548 for that as part of the follow up. Perfect. Thank you very much, 1067 02:29:23,604 --> 02:29:27,400 Mr. Child. Roth. Much appreciated. Councillor Russo, you're on the board. 1068 02:29:30,110 --> 02:29:33,782 Thank you. Through you, Chair, happy to move the report as you indicated. 1069 02:29:33,846 --> 02:29:37,050 I think the report itself is very supportable. 1070 02:29:37,950 --> 02:29:41,158 I appreciate you bringing up the stewardship agreements. I think it's something 1071 02:29:41,214 --> 02:29:44,610 that every hamlet is dealing with. 1072 02:29:44,910 --> 02:29:48,294 So I appreciate staff's actually taking the bull by the 1073 02:29:48,302 --> 02:29:51,782 horns and figuring that out quickly so that we can 1074 02:29:51,886 --> 02:29:55,526 get something decided on. Because I think the lack 1075 02:29:55,558 --> 02:29:59,694 of clarity breeds problems for both the 1076 02:29:59,702 --> 02:30:03,342 public and members of the actual tennis clubs themselves, which a lot 1077 02:30:03,366 --> 02:30:06,478 of people there are volunteers and they're doing great work. 1078 02:30:06,534 --> 02:30:10,318 But the ambiguity creates confusion. 1079 02:30:10,414 --> 02:30:14,090 So I appreciate this being a priority. So thank you. 1080 02:30:16,150 --> 02:30:18,610 Thank you. Councillor Russo, 1081 02:30:18,950 --> 02:30:22,798 seeing no other questions or comments from 1082 02:30:22,934 --> 02:30:26,382 council, I guess we at this point, we can 1083 02:30:26,406 --> 02:30:29,982 proceed with the vote. Do we have a 1084 02:30:30,006 --> 02:30:33,550 seconder who's moved it? 1085 02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:36,290 Move. Councillor Russo. 1086 02:30:37,190 --> 02:30:39,290 Councillor deboer. Thank you. 1087 02:30:42,390 --> 02:30:46,690 Moved by councillor Russo and seconded by Councilor DeBoer. 1088 02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:50,070 And will I have the motion display. Slade. 1089 02:30:51,130 --> 02:30:53,990 Councilor DeBoer in favor. 1090 02:30:54,810 --> 02:30:58,790 Councilor Early. In favor. Councilor Kiernan. 1091 02:30:59,290 --> 02:31:02,242 In favor. Councilor Napoli. 1092 02:31:02,386 --> 02:31:05,590 In favor. Councilor Rosa. In favor. 1093 02:31:06,090 --> 02:31:10,162 Councilor Russo in favor. Councilor Sheen. 1094 02:31:10,306 --> 02:31:13,430 In favor. Mayor Gross. Yes. 1095 02:31:13,850 --> 02:31:17,310 Chair Mascal. Chair in favor. Through the chair. The motion carries. 1096 02:31:20,770 --> 02:31:23,510 Next on the agenda is notices of. 1097 02:31:24,690 --> 02:31:28,586 Oh, sorry, note. The Canadian 1098 02:31:28,618 --> 02:31:31,866 suppliers. That was held on consent. Right. So we're good. Okay. So the next 1099 02:31:31,938 --> 02:31:35,626 would be notice of motion. There have not been any notices of motion received 1100 02:31:35,698 --> 02:31:38,794 for today's meeting. If any notices of motion are received, 1101 02:31:38,882 --> 02:31:41,965 they will be Presented at the March 2020. 25th, 1102 02:31:42,134 --> 02:31:45,810 2025 Town Council Meeting. Are there any notices 1103 02:31:45,890 --> 02:31:48,430 of motion to be presented at today's meeting? 1104 02:31:51,850 --> 02:31:55,590 Seeing none, we'll move on correspondence. 1105 02:31:56,090 --> 02:31:59,490 We will now move on to correspondence. Are there any 1106 02:31:59,530 --> 02:32:03,570 comments or items that require action in the correspondence? 1107 02:32:03,650 --> 02:32:07,594 Package for memorandums 24. 1108 02:32:07,722 --> 02:32:11,018 Statement of remuneration expenses 2025 1109 02:32:11,074 --> 02:32:14,234 Roma conference summary. Purchasing biannual 1110 02:32:14,282 --> 02:32:17,670 report for July 2024. December 2024. 1111 02:32:20,450 --> 02:32:23,610 I was on. Oh, good. Thank you. Thank you, Chair. I did 1112 02:32:23,650 --> 02:32:27,834 want to talk about the Roma Conference summary and 1113 02:32:27,922 --> 02:32:31,162 more of a query. And it's fine that we do 1114 02:32:31,186 --> 02:32:34,386 the summary. I think it was a motion that was put forward by Doug 1115 02:32:34,418 --> 02:32:37,570 Berd years ago and then re brought forward by somebody this term. 1116 02:32:37,610 --> 02:32:41,202 I'm not sure who, but I'm more wanting to get some 1117 02:32:41,226 --> 02:32:45,042 information. We had about eight staff members come 1118 02:32:45,066 --> 02:32:49,106 with us to Roma, which is great. I think there's a lot of goodwill 1119 02:32:49,138 --> 02:32:52,402 there, not only from a team perspective and obviously for 1120 02:32:52,426 --> 02:32:55,714 some assistance, but in many cases, the counselors 1121 02:32:55,762 --> 02:32:59,724 themselves were not allowed to attend delegations 1122 02:32:59,772 --> 02:33:04,320 of their choice. So they were asked to attend four delegations. 1123 02:33:04,660 --> 02:33:08,412 In one of the delegations, I think it was the last one with transportation, 1124 02:33:08,476 --> 02:33:12,300 we had all eight staff members in that room, and yet there 1125 02:33:12,340 --> 02:33:16,236 was a counselor that wasn't allowed to attend. 1126 02:33:16,428 --> 02:33:20,012 So I guess I'm wanting to get some comfort level. I certainly have talked to 1127 02:33:20,036 --> 02:33:23,196 a lot of municipalities. It's not a practice the councillors 1128 02:33:23,228 --> 02:33:26,690 are not led into a delegation if they choose to be there. 1129 02:33:26,810 --> 02:33:30,242 There is a practice that sometimes there's a counselor that 1130 02:33:30,266 --> 02:33:33,362 has more awareness of a certain topic and they take 1131 02:33:33,386 --> 02:33:36,738 the lead on the conversation. But if we're being 1132 02:33:36,794 --> 02:33:40,738 asked as councillors to do a report on 1133 02:33:40,794 --> 02:33:45,890 our activities, I guess I would sort of like to understand the 1134 02:33:45,930 --> 02:33:49,938 activities of the staff, some who arrived on the Saturday. I am a Roma 1135 02:33:50,034 --> 02:33:53,214 board member, so. So it was very different in my capacity in that I had 1136 02:33:53,222 --> 02:33:56,590 a Roma board meeting on the Saturday and a zone hookup on the Sunday 1137 02:33:56,630 --> 02:34:00,526 morning where I presented. And then we had multiminister delegations 1138 02:34:00,558 --> 02:34:04,382 as a Roma board. And then I had, you know, the delegations that 1139 02:34:04,406 --> 02:34:07,582 I was allowed to go with this and the conference. So not 1140 02:34:07,606 --> 02:34:11,262 sure who that question is geared to, but I did want to query 1141 02:34:11,326 --> 02:34:14,890 that, especially as we head into Amo for the summer months. 1142 02:34:16,400 --> 02:34:19,992 Thank you, Councillor Early. That Cao Hyde would 1143 02:34:20,016 --> 02:34:23,080 be something you would be able to address. Well, thank you. Through the chair. 1144 02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:26,424 I guess my question back to Councillor early is, do you want that in the 1145 02:34:26,432 --> 02:34:29,304 form of a staff report? I don't certainly want to put staff who are in 1146 02:34:29,312 --> 02:34:33,176 the room on the spot right now. It's a very straightforward 1147 02:34:33,208 --> 02:34:36,216 answer. I would think that they could Take offline. But unless you want something that's 1148 02:34:36,248 --> 02:34:39,672 more public, we could look towards a staff report. So I would just maybe ask 1149 02:34:39,696 --> 02:34:41,300 for some clarification on that. 1150 02:34:43,610 --> 02:34:47,154 Thank you. Thank you. I think a staff report is fine. I don't think 1151 02:34:47,162 --> 02:34:49,762 we need to do anything public. I think it's more just an issue as we 1152 02:34:49,786 --> 02:34:53,250 move into amo, that I think that we want to make sure that 1153 02:34:53,290 --> 02:34:56,690 all of our counselors, our sitting councillors that choose to be part 1154 02:34:56,730 --> 02:35:00,610 of these delegations, I mean, AMO and Roma FCM to some small point 1155 02:35:00,650 --> 02:35:03,810 as well, they're created so that these elected officials 1156 02:35:03,930 --> 02:35:07,026 have, you know, an opportunity to learn from their colleagues, 1157 02:35:07,058 --> 02:35:10,492 but also an opportunity to have facetime with the ministers. And I just 1158 02:35:10,516 --> 02:35:14,428 want to make sure moving forward that we get that opportunity 100%. 1159 02:35:14,484 --> 02:35:18,600 Understand, not everybody can do the talking at these delegations. They're 15 minutes long, 1160 02:35:18,900 --> 02:35:22,572 but everybody should have the opportunity. But I will say it just for 1161 02:35:22,596 --> 02:35:26,332 me, very concerning when there are various 1162 02:35:26,396 --> 02:35:29,852 levels of staff taking the seats of counselors that could be in 1163 02:35:29,876 --> 02:35:33,378 the room. So I'll leave it at that. And I'll leave it to your leadership 1164 02:35:33,524 --> 02:35:37,014 to decide how you'd like to handle it with the staff report. 1165 02:35:37,102 --> 02:35:40,486 Thank you. Thank you. CEO Hyde, anything to add? 1166 02:35:40,638 --> 02:35:43,286 Well, thank you. Through the chair, I think how we might handle that is simply 1167 02:35:43,318 --> 02:35:47,302 a memo to council. I think it's pretty straightforward. I know that the team implemented 1168 02:35:47,366 --> 02:35:50,662 a new process for it this year that all counselors were prepped on. We can 1169 02:35:50,686 --> 02:35:53,910 certainly articulate that. I don't think it's a matter of anybody taking 1170 02:35:53,950 --> 02:35:56,982 up seats of, but I know there was a process that was developed by the 1171 02:35:57,006 --> 02:36:00,352 team, and certainly we can articulate, and I think the memo is probably the most 1172 02:36:00,376 --> 02:36:03,856 effective means by which to do it. Thank you very much, 1173 02:36:03,928 --> 02:36:07,340 CEO. High Councillor Russo, you have a comment? 1174 02:36:08,040 --> 02:36:11,792 Yeah, I just actually want to draw attention to 1313, the purchasing 1175 02:36:11,856 --> 02:36:14,928 BI annual report. I think Chair, 1176 02:36:14,984 --> 02:36:18,592 you alluded to this at one of the previous meetings. This is 1177 02:36:18,616 --> 02:36:22,656 just a helpful tool for members of the public and council in general 1178 02:36:22,728 --> 02:36:26,310 to just go over things and costing that 1179 02:36:26,930 --> 02:36:30,250 were absorbed throughout the year or that 1180 02:36:30,290 --> 02:36:33,914 time frame from the town. So just bringing attention 1181 02:36:33,962 --> 02:36:37,034 to it, because sometimes in 1182 02:36:37,122 --> 02:36:40,550 correspondence, this is just kind of gone over. 1183 02:36:41,010 --> 02:36:44,058 But any members of the public that like to look at that, I think it's 1184 02:36:44,074 --> 02:36:47,498 a very useful tool. And for council in general, 1185 02:36:47,554 --> 02:36:50,996 it's a very useful tool, and I appreciate staff doing it on a 1186 02:36:51,068 --> 02:36:52,800 biannual basis. Thank you. 1187 02:36:57,020 --> 02:36:59,080 Thank you, Councillor Russo. 1188 02:37:00,620 --> 02:37:03,960 Okay, going forward. Oh, Councillor Sheen. 1189 02:37:04,300 --> 02:37:07,524 Thank you, Chair Masc thank you, Councillor Russo. I wasn't going 1190 02:37:07,532 --> 02:37:09,760 to speak to this, but since you brought it up, 1191 02:37:10,700 --> 02:37:15,788 I read this biannual 1192 02:37:15,924 --> 02:37:19,516 report with some interest and noted that the 1193 02:37:19,588 --> 02:37:22,844 topic we talked about in some length, at some length last week, I think it 1194 02:37:22,852 --> 02:37:26,828 was around non standard procurements. I noticed 1195 02:37:26,844 --> 02:37:30,348 that there's about 3, 6, 10, 8, 1196 02:37:30,404 --> 02:37:33,900 maybe 10 non standard procurements on 1197 02:37:33,940 --> 02:37:37,500 page 4 1198 02:37:37,540 --> 02:37:41,346 of 5, and all of them were relatively low dollar amounts, 1199 02:37:41,428 --> 02:37:45,094 nothing more than $50,000, which I thought was pretty interesting 1200 02:37:45,142 --> 02:37:48,390 considering the high amounts we were talking about last 1201 02:37:48,430 --> 02:37:51,382 week or the week before. So I just wanted to draw attention to that as 1202 02:37:51,406 --> 02:37:54,630 well. Thank you. Thank you, 1203 02:37:54,670 --> 02:37:58,450 Councillor Sheen. And I think that's germane to our topic last week where 1204 02:37:58,830 --> 02:38:02,262 we were speaking about this. And really in the area 1205 02:38:02,286 --> 02:38:05,862 of procurement, you know, the one you least want 1206 02:38:05,886 --> 02:38:09,942 to engage in is the non, non standard ones. 1207 02:38:10,006 --> 02:38:14,182 So that's why those purchases are so low, I would believe. And would 1208 02:38:14,206 --> 02:38:17,734 that be the case, Commissioner Cummings? That's probably 1209 02:38:17,782 --> 02:38:21,174 the least preferred method of procurement out there. So you're kind of 1210 02:38:21,182 --> 02:38:24,730 reserving it for small things or timely matters. 1211 02:38:25,310 --> 02:38:28,390 You're absolutely correct, Chair Mescal. It's very 1212 02:38:28,430 --> 02:38:32,210 specific situations. Thank you very much. 1213 02:38:38,920 --> 02:38:42,576 At this time, we do not have a closed session. 1214 02:38:42,688 --> 02:38:46,512 So at this point, I would believe this is time for our 1215 02:38:46,536 --> 02:38:50,112 adjournment and that this would conclude 1216 02:38:50,256 --> 02:38:53,424 the March 4, 2025 general committee meeting. 1217 02:38:53,592 --> 02:38:57,792 I declared the meeting adjourned. And just so the public's aware, there is a public 1218 02:38:57,896 --> 02:39:01,392 meeting tonight for planning and development. So we'll see you at 1219 02:39:01,416 --> 02:39:01,840 7:00.