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Planning Commission for August 17th,

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2026. Roll call. Mlan

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>> here.

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>> Bradshaw

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>> here.

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>> Uh Curtis is here. Visser

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>> present.

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>> Cutler is here.

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>> All right. Need a motion for the

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consideration of the meeting agenda.

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>> So moved.

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>> Moved by Cutler. Support by

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>> support.

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>> Mlan.

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Need further discussion. All those in

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favor say I. I.

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>> All those opposed. We have a agenda at

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this time. We will have a public comment

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period brief up to two minutes for

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anything uh anyone would like to talk

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about. Please note we will be having a

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public hearing for the item 6A public

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hearing in consideration of a special

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land use um for homebased business uh at

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a later time. So if you are here to talk

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about that, there's a separate time for

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that.

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» Please don't move. Okay. Hello. Good

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evening. I'm uh Danielle Grassid and

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I've only been to the Gaines Township

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meetings. So, I'm just going off of what

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I think I'm supposed to do. So, I I live

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in Calonia Township on 7010 Patterson.

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I'm right across the street from Gaines

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Township, though. So, I've been going to

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their meetings about the data center

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ordinance discussions.

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And um I I just noticed yours recently

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and I skimmed through it quick. Uh

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something I noticed was you didn't have

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anything specific to the DBC and tonal

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noise and it sounds like someone in the

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audience is going to have some

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information for you on that. I have a

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preschooler that's going to be going to

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Dutton Elementary. And so you guys have

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residents and a school really, really

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close to that border. And so I'm just

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trying to get maybe your township to

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help their township also meet some like

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stringent ordinance numbers to make it

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so we all enjoy our properties and our

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students aren't annoyed during the day.

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Yep. Okay. Thanks.

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>> Thank you.

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» Uh name is Greg Cummage. C O M E G YS

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live on 92nd Street. Been a resident of

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the township here for 40ome years, I

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believe. Now, uh on the on the subject

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of noise, um I want to address that

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later. five minute sessions, but I'd

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like to just um um sort of tell you

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about an experience my wife and I had

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with respect to noise. Um I had a high

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school reunion in South Meshawaka a

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couple weeks ago and on the way home I

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told my wife I said let's just swing by

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Dwag because it's in the news and people

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are suing because of the uh the sound

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situation. So we drove through through

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Dwajak and u located the site there and

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uh as soon as we opened the windows and

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we were parked on the street right in

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front of the residential area. Soon as

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we opened the windows our vehicle would

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just fill with this screeching whining

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uh noise just continuous noise. And uh I

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have a little app on my phone that

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measures dB with in the vehicle with the

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windows closed, the engine off. It was

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like 60. I got out and I walked into the

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facility. I didn't go beyond the uh the

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imposing uh gate and the red light and

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all that. I stopped short of that, took

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some pictures of the facility, and then

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measured the noise. It immediately

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jumped up to about 90 dB right there. Uh

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I hadn't been there too long. security

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guard worked his way across the parking

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lot and um confronted me and said,

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"You're on private property." And I

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said, "Well, I'm behind the gate." I

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said, "Okay." And he said, "I don't

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care. You're still on private property."

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Now, I went about 50 ft from the road on

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the little entrance drive to it. And he

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uh he said, "You're on private property.

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You're going to get out of here." So, he

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escorted me all the way back to our

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vehicle and then waited until we left.

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So, the noise is very palpable. This is

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a fairly small data center. compared to

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some of the monster ones.

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>> I'm sorry, your time is up.

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>> My time is up. All right. You You'll

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hear from me in five minutes time, too.

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>> Thank you, Greg.

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» Hi, I'm Kaylee Doring. I live at 5858

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Lawnmore Court in the Greymore

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neighborhood.

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Um, and just seeing that air data center

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ordinance discussion is on the agenda

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today, we sorry, I just want to

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reiterate the fact again that while that

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data center ordinance is very important,

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it's also important to remember that we

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still have the ability to look at our

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master plan. Um, well, you have the

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ability to look at the master plan and

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make some decisions on that and maybe

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just look at changing what the plan says

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instead of making some of those zones

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light industrial and maybe making them

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mixed use instead and making our

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community a better place to be as

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opposed to a place where we are inviting

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things like data centers or other things

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in light industrial zoning um to places

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like next to our neighborhood.

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Um, I also have

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a letter here that has been drafted just

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to kind of give some more information. I

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think some

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um things just to consider when going

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over that ordinance if I'm allowed to

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approach and give it to you. Is that

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allowed? Is that okay? Or I can give it

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to you, Miss Lenny.

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Thank you.

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So, I just want to um make clear that we

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will not be allowed to make comments uh

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during the discussion of the ordinance.

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Is that what I'm understanding?

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>> It's not a public hearing. No.

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>> Okay. And you won't make an exception

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for such?

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>> It's not a public hearing. No.

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>> Okay. Well, great. I'll head right to it

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then. Um so, number of issues. Deb

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Steady, by the way, uh resident There

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are a number of issues that need to be

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strengthened in this draft ordinance. I

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will deal with one important aspect,

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noise and vibration. Um, I'm going to

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pass out what was provided to me uh by

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pen future as a model ordinance and I

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think you can see the deficiencies in

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how this ordinance is dealing with

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noise. Um, specifically the application

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requires a detailed acoustic study to

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minimize noise and achieve a neutral

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impact on adjacent and neighboring

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nearby properties. How is neutral impact

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defined? Um, maximum overall noise limit

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is not specified. Section 3.61. Does

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this mean an equivalent continuous sound

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level? How will this be measured? Over

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what time frame will this be the same

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for all types of properties surrounding

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the data center? See the sample

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ordinance. Um, the use shall not exceed

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the decibel levels in the designated

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octave bands below. I couldn't find the

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octave bands below in that draft. Um

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same paragraph maximum overall noise

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limit shall be 60 dbas. The dBA scale uh

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scale only registers sound in the

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audible range. Um this eliminates the

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recording of pressure impulses below 20

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hertz referred to as infrasound

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significant health impacts on humans and

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animals. Section page 13, section 8, PC

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may authorize other or different

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alternative regulations and conditions,

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blah blah blah. An unelected

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commission should not have this

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authority. Any modification should

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require public hearings and township

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board approval. You got to clean up the

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setbacks on page five and 10. Um there's

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discrepancies in what each of those

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areas are presenting. Um

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>> thank you. Your time's up.

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So what I will do is pass the model

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ordinance.

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>> Just excuse me. Excuse me. Stop.

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>> Give it to Miss Len and she will

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distribute it

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>> your time is up. Please give it to Miss

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Len and she will distribute it.

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>> I will persist and hand this out. Thank

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>> for you as well. Attorney might be very

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interested.

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ordinances if you like to see it. You

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can throw it over your shoulder. Thank

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you.

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» Seeing no other public comment, we will

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close the brief public comment period.

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Uh at this time we need a um considerate

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a motion for the consideration of the

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meeting minutes for July 20th, 2026.

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>> So moved.

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>> Moved by Cutler, support by

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>> Yes, sir.

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» Any other changes, comments?

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>> All those opposed? Motion passes.

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Conflict of interest. Does anybody have

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a uh conflict of interest for any agenda

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item

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on tonight?

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Seeing none, we'll move to item 6A, new

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business. This is a public hearing in

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consideration of a special land use for

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a homebased business called Platinum

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Ponds. Special use enables a larger sign

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in the RR zoning district. Applicant is

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Ryan Parno, address 5380 with a parcel

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412331209.

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[snorts]

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The applicant has asked us to

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uh postpone

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this item until a meeting in September

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due to a conflict. As the public uh um

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hearing was noticed, we will hold the

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public hearing at this time and likely

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at the next meeting as well.

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So if anybody's here to speak about

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item 6A,

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happy to hear.

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» Hold on. Hold on.

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» I mean, you both can come off at the

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same time.

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>> Okay. Right.

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>> Um, good evening. My name is Aaron. Um,

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I'm a resident of Calon. I live on Farm

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Grow Court. Uh we've lived there for a

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decade now. Um I I I was born and raised

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in West Michigan. Uh love Calonia area.

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A big reason uh that we moved here is

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the familyfriendly atmosphere. We have

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five children. My youngest is four. Um

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and I am here to speak and respectfully

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request that uh the board consider

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denying the motion. Um,

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my backyard butts up to that property

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and my youngest is four and I don't want

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him to, you know, have to play in a

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backyard with commercial business right

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there. I I think that it goes against

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uh the atmosphere of our neighborhood.

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I I find it frustrating. I feel like as

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soon as they built there, they put up

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the sign and I believe it's more of a

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asking for forgiveness than permission.

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And so I would respectfully ask the

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township to consider declining that

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request. Thank you for your time.

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>> Yeah. Thank you, Erin.

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>> Thank you.

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» My name's Christine Broberg. I live on

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Farm Court as well. Now, the property in

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question does not come all the way into

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my backyard. We were caught off guard by

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the notice because we all saw the sign.

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Based on what I'm reading though, I need

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more information to know what it is

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exactly he wants. Does he just want a

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bigger sign or are we gonna are we

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talking about having gigantic machinery

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in the backyard that is actually making

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it look like it's almost like a

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construction type business that's in our

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neighborhood? and there wasn't enough

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information presented yet for us to have

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any sort of ability to research or

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understand what it is that's being asked

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because according to what I'm reading in

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the agenda, it looks like he just wants

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a bigger sign.

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And so that's we're just looking for

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more information before we would even be

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able to give a proper

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opinion on what it would what we agree

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with or not. So that's what we're

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looking for. at least a chunk of us.

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>> Thank you.

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>> All right. Thank you.

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» Hi, thank you for um hearing my

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comments. My name is Laura Burr. I'm

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Aaron's wife. Um I am almost a lifelong

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resident of Calonia. We moved to Calonia

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when I was eight. I grew up at 491

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Johnson in the old um Fingfinder

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farmhouse there. Um and really have

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lived in in Calonia outside of the time

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that um we lived in Cleveland when Aaron

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was in law school. Um I understand that

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the the um the farm that's right behind

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us sold that property um for the house

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that was then built there. That's fine.

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That's the farmer's prerogative to do

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that. But, um, I I kind of, as Erin

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said, I I it feels like they're asking

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for more forgiveness for this zoning,

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um, than permission because the sign's

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been up for quite a while. The business

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address on Platinum Pal's website is

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listed at that location. It's already

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listed there. So, that doesn't sound

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like we had a business, we have a

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business elsewhere that we're going to

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move here. And it's been in business

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since 2015. Um, so I don't know where

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they were operating prior to the last

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year or so, but um, it it just doesn't

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feel great that that's right behind us.

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That, as Aaron said, that affects my

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family. That affects our property

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values. Um, too, having a commercial

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zoning site directly behind us. Um, and

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Calonia has changed a lot in the the

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years that I've lived here. Um, we used

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to call it Cowonia affectionately when I was younger because it was such a

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rural community. Um, and I I get that

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the wheels of time continue to move and I'm not arguing against, you know,

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certain in general the fact that

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development continues to happen. Um, but

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we don't always have to say yes. It

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doesn't always have to happen. Um, and

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especially on on my street when it

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affects me directly in my backyard, I

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would really respectfully request the

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township um deny the the uh reszoning of

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that property. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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Can I put a new item? Hold on.

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>> Not in the middle of something else.

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» Uh well, I have to close it. Um at this

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time, we'll close the public uh hearing

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for item 6A. Uh no action is planned on

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that tonight. Mr. this.

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>> Uh, new I'd like to add an agenda item

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for discussion. Um, if I can for next

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meeting.

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>> Yeah, let's get that at the end.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

366
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>> I thought you meant tonight. I'm like

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that time pass. [clears throat]

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» Any other

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>> um I I don't know if you want to have

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Len do any brief introduction on it. I

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know. Yeah, I mean we have people who

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want to kind of know about it. So, can

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you do the five minute quick

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what's

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>> Yes. And I don't have my whole file

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here, but um the applicant has requested

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to postpone this uh hearing item until

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the September 21st meeting. So, he was

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going to be out of town tonight. So,

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requested that this continue into the

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September date. Uh my understanding is

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that the applicant does have an

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accessory building on site. There are um

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there's a dumpster he plans to keep on

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site, he said to to enable him to, you

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know, uh

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dispose of items from other sites where

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he builds ponds and pools. Um the zoning

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inspector has been out to the property

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because we did get a complaint about the

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sign. So, a sign was put up. It's larger

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than we allow in the residential the RR

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zoning district. The only way to have a

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larger sign is through the homebased

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business process. Um he claims that he

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is not conducting a homebased business

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despite the sign being there and all of

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the you know Google documentation and

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research we've done that uh ties the

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business to his home. He has materials

401
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stored on the property. Um, and he has

402
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provided us a plan for building his own

403
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pond/pool

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on the property and said that the

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materials that he has there he bought on

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discount on sale at the end of the

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season and they're stored there for his

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project at home. He did provide in his

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application that he rents space for his

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business um in Wyoming and somewhere

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else in Kentwood where he stores

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equipment for the business there. Um we

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have not visited those sites. Um he did

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mention he has two employees but he said

415
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that they do not operate out of the home

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on 100th Street. Again, we're not out

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there at all hours of the day inspecting

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that and verifying that. Um, that's just

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the information that we have today. Um,

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so the purpose

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is, you know, whether whether we grant a

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homebased business there is is number

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one. And if he has a homebased business,

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then this uh special use because

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homebased business is a special use that

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you can also consider a bigger sign. I

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don't think we could just allow a bigger

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sign unless we say yes to the homebased

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business too, right? They go together.

430
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Um so that's the information we have

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today. Um, we can provide any other

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packet information for neighbors. Um, if

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you stop by our office or send an email,

434
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we can we can share that with you. Um,

435
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but that's what I have. I think the rest

436
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of it we will look at um in September.

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» All right, Christine, if you want to

438
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grab that from Miss Len at some point.

439
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Um, it's just the application so you can

440
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actually read it. Um, all right. At this

441
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time, I will make a motion to I've

442
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learned postpone

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um item 6A

444
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>> until the September

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what meeting?

446
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>> 21st meeting.

447
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>> Motion to postpone item 6A to the

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September 21st meeting per the

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applicant's request.

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supported

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>> motion by Bradshaw, support by Visser.

452
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Any further discussion on this?

453
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>> All those in favor of postponing say I.

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>> All those opposed, motion to postpone

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pass.

456
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>> All right. The data center ordinance we

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have in front of us. I'm assuming

458
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everybody has read through it. I have

459
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seen a lot of red marks. Um I think

460
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we'll just start right into the red

461
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marks. Miss Len, I think that's the

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easiest thing.

463
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>> Sure.

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>> To do it.

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>> Um

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so

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>> also, Mr. Chairman, just go ahead. Our

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attorney Ross Leman is here

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>> um to provide support and some guidance

470
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and best practice. He's been working

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with other municipalities in uh northern

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county also on this topic of the data

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center. Um, our draft is modeled after

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draft ordinances that uh, Ross and his

475
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team have been working on in um, a

476
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couple other communities similar to

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Calonia Township. I did provide Ross

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with an overview and the minutes from

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previous discussions from planning

480
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commission. Um, I know at our last

481
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meeting we talked about buffering and

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um, sound panels. That was the topic. Uh

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the the difference between I1 and I2 and

484
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whether this use could or should be in

485
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I2 versus I1. Um there were questions

486
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related to decommissioning.

487
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There were questions and concerns about

488
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battery fires and so I had him look at

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that in our code as well as utility

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upgrades and extensions. And so, um, he

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did look at those items. He can speak

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further on that. Um, but I know that you

493
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also have things you want to talk about.

494
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And so, now is a great time for us to

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utilize his expertise

496
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um, for the conversation today.

497
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>> Great.

498
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>> Yeah.

499
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>> Thank you, Ross. Um, so, let me start

500
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off. There's [snorts] there's really two

501
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ordinance sections. There's the 3.61

502
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and the

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Sorry, the 16.55.

504
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>> Correct.

505
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Yes.

506
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>> 3.61 is by right. 16.55 is special land

507
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use. Correct.

508
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>> Yep. Chapter 16 is our special land use.

509
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Section 3.61 is is our general

510
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provisions and general provisions apply

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to any uh any use in any district if if

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it's applicable.

513
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>> Um. Yep.

514
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>> All right. So,

515
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Mine is just I focused on the

516
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differences between the two sections

517
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that were conflicting

518
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>> that that needs to be addressed. Um and

519
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I can pass these notes later. Um

520
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uh 3 point the first note I have is 3.61

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limits digital mining operations to 9

522
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to5 but 1655 does not repeat that um and

523
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allows us to set

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Um that

525
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and

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in 361

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there's a we need to cl my opinion we

528
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need to clarify whether the fix section

529
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3.61 digital mining hours apply to

530
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medium scale and hypers scale digital

531
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mining special land uses whether 1655

532
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allows different approved op there's an

533
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operating hour issue. On a more

534
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,520
interesting note, um if the high utility

535
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usage is during the daytime hours,

536
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so if the confliction is if if the

537
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there's two conflictions going on. Um

538
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one, we want to have the noise during

539
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the day, but then on the flip side,

540
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um why you're looking at me?

541
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>> I just don't feel like I have the same

542
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paper that you do. I printed it off from

543
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online.

544
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,320
>> Okay. So that's probably why. [laughter]

545
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,360
>> Um, so we want we want the noise during

546
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,279
the day, not at night, but the electric

547
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,200
usage

548
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,480
in general is higher

549
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,240
>> to the grid during the daytime than it

550
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,240
is at night. So I just question the

551
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,919
hours and what we're trying to

552
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:25,440
accomplish and make sure we have

553
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:26,960
consistency

554
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,480
>> between the two.

555
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,480
Um in the 1655

556
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520
um there's some setback issues that

557
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,840
conflict with 3.61

558
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,960
that we just need to make sure that

559
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,029
we have those

560
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,039
um in alignment that we have.

561
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:50,720
>> Do you have like page numbers? I can't

562
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:59,830
keep up with

563
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,600
Sorry, I had to summarize it a lot

564
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600
because it's all over the place because

565
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,120
they're in two different spots.

566
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,679
>> So, there's setbacks on page five.

567
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:10,080
>> Yep. Setbacks are on five and then again

568
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:16,310
they are on page

569
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320
» I mean the the solution isn't to solve

570
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,080
it tonight. It's just to point out that

571
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,279
there's

572
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,200
>> and page 10

573
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,070
>> and 10.

574
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,880
» So we have 1,000 ft and 500 ft.

575
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,870
Um

576
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,720
but we need to understand if in 361 if

577
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,799
it is different.

578
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:50,390
Um

579
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,360
there's a I believe an incorrect cross

580
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,400
reference in 361 because it refers to

581
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,400
339 C and D. Um

582
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,840
which may not be the right cross

583
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,000
references. [snorts]

584
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,080
Um

585
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,799
1655 prohibits

586
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,520
trying to get there for you Tim. um

587
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,350
private wells

588
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,240
um for general cooling or processing

589
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,000
purpose. And 361 just requires a

590
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,520
disclosure of the water source and

591
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,440
cooling method without prohibiting

592
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,590
private wells.

593
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:41,990
You follow me? I know.

594
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,360
Okay.

595
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:49,830
>> Um

596
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,240
1655

597
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,559
requires a connection to public water

598
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,039
that allows alternative water and sewer

599
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:00,720
facilities if water water usage is low

600
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,520
water usage is demonstrated.

601
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,080
361 requires a disclosure and analysis

602
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,640
of the water supply but does not require

603
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,279
public water and sewer

604
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,830
connection.

605
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,919
Um then the issue of noise

606
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:24,720
um which was brought up um

607
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,120
they're not aligned

608
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,720
um as to how between the the two

609
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,559
sections.

610
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,480
Um

611
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,799
361 requires

612
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,360
water cooled systems to use the closed

613
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,960
cooling system. 1655 adds that open

614
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,559
evaporative cooling towers are

615
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,000
prohibited. So in 1655 it's prohibited

616
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,279
but 3.61 it's not specifically

617
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,200
prohibited.

618
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Um

619
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,200
>> so the special land use is only for the

620
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,679
h the not all of these go to special

621
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:02,399
use. Right.

622
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:03,679
>> Right.

623
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:06,080
But if we're going to have stringent

624
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,200
requirements, they should be

625
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,919
matched up. Like if we're going to not

626
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,520
allow

627
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,039
cooling towers,

628
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:16,640
>> per se,

629
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,440
>> why do we allow it in a special land use

630
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,440
or vice versa?

631
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,159
>> Yeah.

632
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:33,909
Um

633
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:37,840
361 requires operational equipment to be

634
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,799
located within uh cooling and power

635
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,120
generation to be located in an enclosed

636
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,000
building or structure and less weigh.

637
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,840
1655 requires roof mounted equipment to

638
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,799
be screened on four on four sides.

639
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,720
Clarify whether the roof mounted may

640
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880
remain outside in a closed building if

641
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,919
screened or whether they should not be

642
00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:05,669
um

643
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:08,080
battery. There seems to be a confliction

644
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640
in the

645
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,360
NFPA

646
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,279
um requirements.

647
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:21,919
Um 1655 doesn't expressly reference NFPA

648
00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:26,630
855.

649
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,510
Um

650
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,510
annual inspections.

651
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:40,549
um

652
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,679
requires an agreement for that that's

653
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,520
reimbursed.

654
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,149
Um

655
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:53,120
and clarify 1655 is the annual

656
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,399
inspection and reimbursement

657
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:58,559
requirements and check 3.61 for

658
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,159
periodic.

659
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,960
One's annual, one's periodic.

660
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,960
Do we want to have them

661
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,640
Again, I'm not advocating for a change.

662
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,840
I'm just saying there's a difference

663
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,840
between the two. Do we want annual or do

664
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,240
we want periodic? And is periodic fine.

665
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,799
>> All right, that's all I have. Just

666
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:22,789
differences between the two.

667
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:23,840
Pass that.

668
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,679
>> You might need it for conversation. I

669
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:26,799
don't think you want to give it away

670
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,389
yet.

671
00:31:30,399 --> 00:31:33,909
» Um

672
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,120
Okay, that was a lot.

673
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,880
>> Yeah.

674
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,519
>> So, the what I'm hearing is the

675
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:42,000
clarification between what's required

676
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,640
and the general provisions for all all

677
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360
of these uses at whatever scale like

678
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,360
small, medium, hyper versus what we have

679
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080
in the requirements for special use

680
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,399
standards where we treat the hyper scale

681
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:03,600
and medium scale.

682
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,519
Do we want to have separate or do we

683
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:09,519
want them to be the same requirements

684
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,320
>> because it's we seem I mean you're going

685
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
to have the same

686
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,159
equipment maybe just not the same

687
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:17,440
quantity of equipment.

688
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,440
>> Right. Right.

689
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
And in your mind are you feeling like no

690
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,399
matter how small, large, hyper,

691
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:28,399
it should be consistent?

692
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:29,200
>> Yes.

693
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,360
>> Okay.

694
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,120
>> Consistency is much easier to

695
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,480
um a quantify and b there's no well I

696
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,200
thought this I thought that at a later

697
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,039
point in time

698
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,120
and I read in one of the comments that

699
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:54,000
even the small scale five megawatt um

700
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,880
at least in the account here is that

701
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,080
it's sufficient power

702
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,389
sufficient to power 750 homes

703
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:08,640
for one megawatt. So a 5 megawatt no

704
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:18,710
exponential yeah 3 to 4,000 homes

705
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760
and their opinion is that not no data

706
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,919
center project regardless of megawatt

707
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,840
size should be allowed as a use by

708
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,440
right.

709
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,240
So that's a, you know, back to you as a

710
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,039
planning commission. Would it, do we

711
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:37,440
even want to have any of them be by

712
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,679
right or just move them all to special

713
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:44,389
land use?

714
00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,320
» I just have a question here.

715
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,720
>> Going back to section 8.4,

716
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,039
looks like there's been an addition. It

717
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,840
says building size. We did add something

718
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,600
on building size. Yes.

719
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,840
>> Okay. So, 20 thou 200,000 square feet.

720
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,080
That's four acres. Just a little over

721
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,840
four acres.

722
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,240
Then the minimum lot size has to be 40

723
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,960
acres. Is that right? So, that's a 10%

724
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,440
coverage ratio. And the max that they

725
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,079
can do, it's got a building height, so

726
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,320
of 25 ft. So, you got a million cubic

727
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,000
feet.

728
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,399
Um,

729
00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,720
I don't know. I just I think that should

730
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:26,000
do it. I mean, nobody's going to come

731
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,513
here and do that project.

732
00:34:28,513 --> 00:34:30,879
[laughter] That should about wrap it up.

733
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:35,679
I mean, as far as I'm concerned,

734
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,679
make it you can make it as of right. You

735
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,159
can, you know, make [clears throat] it

736
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,800
special land use permit. It's done. I

737
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,119
mean, you just you add that to it and we

738
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:48,960
ain't got to deal with anything.

739
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,760
>> I mean, at the end of the day, again, it

740
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,760
goes to consistency.

741
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,240
special eight section 8 like you said in

742
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:58,160
the by right you know

743
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,680
>> I'm just telling you that practically

744
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,760
speaking it don't matter

745
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,280
>> I understand

746
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:12,150
>> yeah so

747
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,480
» yes

748
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,240
>> sorry I can't see your eyes

749
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,040
>> um page two under um item number nine

750
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,040
medium scale data center um goes

751
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,000
megawatt and 99.

752
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,599
Should we take that up to 100 so that

753
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:33,119
it's we have consistency between

754
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:34,880
um

755
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,880
the different sizes? We don't have hole

756
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,839
in the middle of it.

757
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:39,920
>> Yeah, it's not 99.5.

758
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,320
>> Yeah.

759
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,359
I saw that too.

760
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:45,280
>> It should be up to

761
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,510
>> 100

762
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,800
more there.

763
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,440
>> Yes. And that's consistent within item

764
00:35:53,440 --> 00:36:10,310
number 12.

765
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,800
So I do have a question on the digital

766
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,119
mining as to why we're treating that

767
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,040
separately.

768
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,069
Um

769
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,720
because Some kid could be doing that in

770
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:26,079
his house. Are they now,

771
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:30,079
>> you know, under that ordinance?

772
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:30,880
>> Yeah, go ahead.

773
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,800
>> I I can comment on that if you want.

774
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,440
>> Yeah, please.

775
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,520
>> Um, so digital I'm not an engineer. Uh,

776
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,359
but um what uh we've been hearing out

777
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:43,440
there a lot is that actually the noisy

778
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,680
ones like the guy said he went to that

779
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,920
was really noisy. often that ends up

780
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,320
being the digital mining that there's a

781
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,880
big big noise difference with the

782
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,040
cooling that's required in the fans and

783
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,599
that between digital mining and regular

784
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,599
data centers. So that was actually one

785
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,200
thing I was going to note when you were

786
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,839
talking about noise uh that as these

787
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:06,320
ordinances have developed is they've

788
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
even made um greater treatments and

789
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,880
distinctions of digital mining versus

790
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,720
other data centers because other data

791
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,160
centers tend to be quieter. Uh and so

792
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,680
for example, one thing you could

793
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,160
consider is saying all digital mining

794
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,920
shall occur only in small scale or

795
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,839
medium scale and not on a hypers scale

796
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:28,480
basis. That is just too much. So that

797
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,680
that's why digital mining is referred to

798
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,960
differently. And again, I'm not an

799
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
engineer, but that's been something

800
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,119
fairly consistent um that you want to be

801
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:41,280
more restrictive and take extra steps

802
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,589
because digital mining is noisier.

803
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,599
But if I'm

804
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:53,670
buying server time,

805
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,760
you know, in the in the data center, I

806
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,560
can use it for

807
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,880
when I'm using I mean, I might use it

808
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,560
for digital mining and people might not

809
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,880
even know.

810
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,960
>> Yeah. It's just not as efficient. Right.

811
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,599
>> Right.

812
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,280
>> I mean, that's the problem is like the

813
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,800
chips, you know, it's like a Nvidia chip

814
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,839
and just takes more cooling load than

815
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:23,520
the other like a server. So you could mine crypto uh colo server.

816
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:23,920
>> Right.

817
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,320
But it's not you know

818
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,520
>> it's not going to pay. It just doesn't

819
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,920
make sense. So people just don't do it.

820
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,160
And so they do this because you know

821
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,760
they get more processing power per

822
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,839
kilowatt.

823
00:38:35,839 --> 00:38:36,560
>> Yeah.

824
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,400
>> But policy you could take it out. You

825
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,839
could say we're just going to regulate

826
00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:41,119
data centers and we're not going to

827
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,599
distinguish it. That's the reason

828
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:46,000
>> that I've heard and that we've been

829
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,240
putting into different ordinances is

830
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,800
because of the no different in noise

831
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,880
level.

832
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,079
>> So if it's

833
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:00,240
and maybe I missed it if it's a digital

834
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,589
mining

835
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,240
do we have

836
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,880
noise requirements

837
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,920
and I missed it. While we're digital

838
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,839
mining are

839
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:16,240
>> we're using the same for digital land

840
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:16,640
>> right

841
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:17,520
>> data centers

842
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,630
>> correct

843
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,440
» so it should be like the lesser

844
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,599
noise like not more noise but the one

845
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:37,910
requiring less noise.

846
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,839
» Yeah.

847
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:42,240
Are you guys in in your experience are

848
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,000
there

849
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,760
like are they putting more cell towers

850
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,520
or any sort of digital like data

851
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,400
transmission stuff like alongside or

852
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,680
next to or you know with data centers at

853
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,119
this point in time? Is there any

854
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,920
progression towards that

855
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,240
like microwave towers you know any like

856
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,240
a cell tower that would basically hook

857
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,680
that directly into a data center?

858
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,760
>> Uh I've not run into that. There's been

859
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,880
a lot of talk about um energy generation

860
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,119
affiliated with data centers, you know,

861
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,040
and you know, whether they're going to

862
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,599
have um whether they're going to grab it

863
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,119
all off the grid or if they're going to

864
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:20,880
have um well, you already have it where

865
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,240
your generators have to be for non

866
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,240
generation. But if you could have solar,

867
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,280
you could have wind, you could have

868
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,640
diesel,

869
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,079
>> um you know, different on-site

870
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:32,240
generation type thing. And they tend to

871
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:35,359
want to locate them by substations and

872
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:37,119
other things like that. I've not heard

873
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:42,400
much about um uh cell towers, but I

874
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,160
would think if it would come then your

875
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,119
general cell tower regulations would

876
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,040
apply just like probably right now the

877
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,040
way it is. If somebody comes and wants

878
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,480
to do a solar project with it, you

879
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,000
probably have to meet all your solar

880
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,720
regulations in addition to the data

881
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,880
mining ones

882
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,720
or or the data center and the digital

883
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,920
mining. I was going to comment on your

884
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,920
comment about um the different

885
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,359
standards. Um the reason for that um is

886
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,119
the thinking behind that is you have a

887
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,720
general section just like you do for

888
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,079
accessory buildings or something like

889
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,680
that that provides your base regulations

890
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,119
and that that primarily is dealing with

891
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,119
um small scale and accessory and

892
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,480
anything that would fall between the

893
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,359
cracks. And so those tend to be more

894
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,440
consistent with the regulations that you

895
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319
do for other businesses. Um and and

896
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:37,839
actually maybe one thing you might want

897
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:41,040
to do is lower the I guess I've not

898
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,000
heard it that that a 5 megawatt data

899
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160
center will power thousands of homes.

900
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,000
>> Uh but I have heard that you know it

901
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,079
does more. But the idea is that the

902
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:54,319
small scale and the accessory are more

903
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:56,319
similar to other businesses and so they

904
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,800
would be treated more consistently with

905
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,119
other businesses. And that your medium

906
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:03,280
scale and your hypers scale then have to

907
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,040
come in for special land use. And so

908
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,240
they have um a lot of additional

909
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,560
requirements that aren't necessarily

910
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,040
reasonable if somebody's coming in, you

911
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,599
know, to do something that's similar to

912
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,200
a different business that you wouldn't

913
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,880
require that for. But I also have seen

914
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,440
uh and have done it for townships that

915
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,040
would prefer to make all of them special

916
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,280
land uses. Just say if you're doing

917
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,760
anything data centerwise, it's a special

918
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,800
land use period. Um so that's and and

919
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,480
the way you would do that is you the

920
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,640
same structure, but you would just have

921
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,000
a general section defining it. And then

922
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,599
um say if you want, you know, to

923
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:43,359
actually get it approved, you got to

924
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:46,160
come in for special land use.

925
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,200
So that that is if you like that model

926
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,200
better, you can do it. It's it's fairly

927
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,160
similar. But the idea of this is to

928
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,680
provide,

929
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,960
you know, some distinguishing

930
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,839
characteristics for things that might be

931
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:02,240
more consistent. Whereas the medium

932
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,560
scale and hypers scale are kind of

933
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,079
things of their own.

934
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:11,280
>> It's almost I don't know like you have

935
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,640
the accessory data center is

936
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,319
at someone's data center at their

937
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:21,040
business type of level and then we have

938
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,560
the other the small medium large

939
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,470
extra large

940
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:35,990
the general maybe cover just accessory.

941
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,599
» Um, if I can chime in to Don's question.

942
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,720
So, when switch first went in, whatever

943
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,040
it was, 13, 14, 15, long time ago. Um I

944
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,040
was the city engineer at Kentwood at the

945
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,160
time and it's not necessarily your

946
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,079
question was more about like cell towers

947
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:57,440
and um through the air transmission but

948
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,319
every fiber provider that I think exists

949
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:02,560
in Michigan put fiber in along East

950
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,680
Paris. So East Paris is either somewhere

951
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,440
between a three and five lane road

952
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,359
depending on where you're driving. But

953
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:11,359
when it comes to fiber infrastructure

954
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,680
it's like 131. It's the super highway.

955
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,920
there is so much data running north and

956
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,119
south and I think that 60th is similar

957
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,800
but that wasn't under my permitting

958
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,400
jurisdiction for like an east west

959
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,280
route. Um so yes there's lots of other

960
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,599
implications to move all of that data to

961
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,599
get it to and from you know building in

962
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:37,030
the center.

963
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,520
» Um and I guess

964
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,560
>> want to continue to have the floor. Um,

965
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,720
I'm going to try to go through mine like

966
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,040
page number and section and just kind of

967
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,200
work through it. That works better for

968
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,400
me to follow along. So, my first comment

969
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,560
is on page four, uh,

970
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,359
section

971
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:03,119
I guess C10

972
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,920
D

973
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:11,119
six. It's a big uh jump down, but it's

974
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,000
just that a community impact analysis is

975
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,920
required. That's not really defined

976
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,800
anywhere in the draft ordinance. And

977
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,800
generally, I just find that to be vague,

978
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,680
like what what are we looking for? So,

979
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,839
let's be a little bit more clear on what

980
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:28,240
that is and what we want.

981
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:28,880
Um

982
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:37,190
>> I'm thinking schools um public safety

983
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:44,710
traffic management construction.

984
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,280
» Okay.

985
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,760
>> It is.

986
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,640
>> I think so. Okay. Well, maybe I didn't

987
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,880
catch it because I kept reading. Yeah.

988
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,720
>> Um

989
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,960
>> I keep going in that same section. And

990
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,440
um item number nine, a detailed

991
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,040
emissions and air quality impact

992
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,119
analysis including backup generator

993
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:10,400
usage. And in my, you know, again, I'm

994
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,000
not an expert in these things yet,

995
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,760
getting a little bit better every month.

996
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,760
But I feel like we need to include

997
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,400
temperature changes at discharge.

998
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,319
From the reading I've done, it sounds

999
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,720
like depending on scale, especially

1000
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,440
hypers scale data centers, they kind of

1001
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,599
make small heat islands. And depending

1002
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,000
on which way the wind blows, now it's a

1003
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,599
few degrees warmer at your property all

1004
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:33,520
the time because of the heat that's

1005
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,160
coming off these things.

1006
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Um,

1007
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,400
continuing on that same page at the

1008
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,040
bottom of page four, talking general

1009
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,040
regulations and noise levels sub I, we

1010
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,800
talk about the maximum overall noise

1011
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,680
limit shall be 60 dva during daytime

1012
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,280
hours and 45 dva during nighttime hours,

1013
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,079
which are 1000 p.m. to 7 a.m. at the

1014
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:01,359
property line. Um,

1015
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:03,760
I'm a nerd. I volunteer and do the

1016
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,280
soundboard at my church. We have a

1017
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,119
little meter because we want to make

1018
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:08,880
sure that it's not too loud for people

1019
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,640
while they're singing the songs and that

1020
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
the pastor isn't too loud with his

1021
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,800
microphone. So 60 is kind of 65 is like

1022
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,400
the target for when the pastor's

1023
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,040
speaking and the music is closer to 80.

1024
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Um I feel like 60 even during the day is

1025
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,480
way too high. Like

1026
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,280
that's how can that be okay at a mall to

1027
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,760
constantly have background noise this

1028
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,400
the volume of a conversation at your

1029
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,800
home. I can't get the yes. Um so I feel

1030
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,680
like we need to look at something lower

1031
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,800
whether that's 55 or 50. I I don't know

1032
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,359
what's a more reasonable threshold but

1033
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:54,400
60 seems very high.

1034
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,069
Um

1035
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,560
Continuing to the top of page five, sub

1036
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,800
item two. I feel like maybe we should

1037
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,680
define daytime hours to be 8:00 a.m. to

1038
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,079
5:00 p.m. It's been a long time since I

1039
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,960
had little kids, but um even this time

1040
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,800
of year back when they were little, they

1041
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,920
might already be in bed at 7:30 and I

1042
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,119
don't want them to wake up if they're

1043
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,200
already in bed. So, and sometimes in the

1044
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,079
summer it's light out till 9:45. So,

1045
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,750
let's be specific.

1046
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,240
Um,

1047
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,280
sub item three, right below that,

1048
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,760
if they're not complying with the

1049
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,440
ordinance, what are our tools in the

1050
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,800
toolbox? Do we go out there with a

1051
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,680
decibel meter and say, "Well, geez, it's

1052
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,720
65 dB at the property line. We just

1053
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,720
write them a municipal civil infraction

1054
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,920
ticket for $75 or whatever that is

1055
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,640
allowed to be. [clears throat]

1056
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:00,309
How do we police this?

1057
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:02,079
Um, that's everything that I have on

1058
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:07,280
page five. Got some little minor

1059
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,359
spelling things on other pages. I'll

1060
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:11,680
skip those.

1061
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,790
Um,

1062
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,839
must be page seven. Yep. At the bottom

1063
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:22,160
of page seven under safety talks about

1064
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,000
the equipment used in any data center or

1065
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,440
digital mining use shall be house

1066
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,200
nanometered electrically grounded blah blah and it needs to resist an

1067
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,280
internal electrical fire for at least 30

1068
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,440
minutes. I am not an expert in the fire

1069
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,079
code but 30 minutes for a building of

1070
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,559
that magnitude and risk and danger seems

1071
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,520
super small. Um residential homes are

1072
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,680
usually one hour if it's an apartment

1073
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,400
complex with you know multi-use

1074
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,760
dwelling. There's a lot of two-hour

1075
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,599
rated walls. I'm just not understanding

1076
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,599
how we're 30 minutes for a data center.

1077
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,640
>> And just to pause there because I had

1078
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,920
flagged this one. I don't understand.

1079
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,790
You shall be housed in a metered

1080
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,160
um metal in case I don't know what a

1081
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,480
meter metal enclosure is.

1082
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,960
>> Yeah, I I assume it's metering power in

1083
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,999
and out, but

1084
00:50:14,999 --> 00:50:18,790
[laughter]

1085
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,200
Yeah, take the meter out of there. I

1086
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,470
don't think it Who's paying for it?

1087
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,230
» It was It That's small minor, but it's

1088
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,160
» um I think I only got a couple more. So,

1089
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,520
almost done. top of page eight under sub

1090
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,960
item four, right before item 15, it just

1091
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,280
talks about

1092
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,000
uh any applicable local, state, or

1093
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,839
federal laws, rules, or eight

1094
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:49,680
regulations. I I don't know what the

1095
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,640
eight regulations are.

1096
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,870
>> Okay.

1097
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,040
So, I think that's a typo.

1098
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,440
I think it's code section 8 is the

1099
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,200
player code if I remember right, but I

1100
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,400
might have it wrong.

1101
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,200
>> Uh toward the bottom of page eight under

1102
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,119
decommissioning requirements sub item

1103
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,599
one, a financial guarantee bond or

1104
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,359
escrow shall be required to ensure

1105
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,680
adequate funds for decommissioning. Feel

1106
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,079
like we need to add as determined by the

1107
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,040
township and

1108
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,599
even that makes me a little leery. um

1109
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,520
you know, how are we going to accurately

1110
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,920
understand the cost of what it's going

1111
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,760
to take to knock this thing down or

1112
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,440
decommission it so that it can be re

1113
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160
reused to be something else potentially.

1114
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,839
Um

1115
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,839
there's a lot of complexity to that and

1116
00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:49,200
that would be hard for me to try to

1117
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,990
guess at the right number.

1118
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,079
» Perhaps hire somebody from Consumers

1119
00:51:56,079 --> 00:52:01,510
Energy. Well, then it's free.

1120
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,200
Be like, "Oh, yeah. Volunteers will be

1121
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,750
out tomorrow."

1122
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,680
Um,

1123
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,599
and then I just said there's a lot of

1124
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,079
like little tab indentation

1125
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:17,280
typo things that I felt like on page 14.

1126
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,000
And

1127
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,440
that was my main comments,

1128
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,440
but I think

1129
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,760
we've made good progress from the first

1130
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,760
time we had a draft ordinance. I feel

1131
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,760
like we still have a lot of progress to

1132
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,839
continue to make. This is really complex

1133
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:37,200
and important. Um, and we want to make

1134
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,800
sure that we're happy with it before

1135
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,309
it's done.

1136
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:43,839
» Yeah, because we have time to get it

1137
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:48,549
right.

1138
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:49,760
» Do we have something in here about the

1139
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,240
architectural standards, too?

1140
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,640
We already have architectural standards

1141
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,480
in the ordinance for industrial

1142
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,480
buildings. So they would have to conform

1143
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,520
to that.

1144
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,480
>> Okay.

1145
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,680
>> That's in general.

1146
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,880
>> Do we want them to conform to

1147
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,359
is this is this I guess structurally

1148
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:09,359
speaking is this coming down as a

1149
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:12,480
subpart of industrial or are now we

1150
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,559
setting up basically an entirely

1151
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,559
different

1152
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,160
zoning district which is for data

1153
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,440
center. We're not doing that. So it's

1154
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,440
under industrial. Okay.

1155
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,359
>> Correct. Right now it's light

1156
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:24,319
industrial.

1157
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,640
>> What if we put it under office?

1158
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,640
>> We don't have an office district. We

1159
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,559
have light industrial, heavy industrial.

1160
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,559
>> We have commercial.

1161
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,000
>> Well, what do we what do what do we do?

1162
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,119
All the architectural standard work

1163
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,240
is for it's in general provisions and we

1164
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,960
regulate it for commercial, office,

1165
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,079
industrial.

1166
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,960
>> Okay. So any any use in industrial would

1167
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,200
have to conform to the architectural.

1168
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:52,880
>> Okay. Which then and that's the ones

1169
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,559
that we just did two months ago we

1170
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,559
finalized with industrial architectural

1171
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:57,920
standards. Correct. Correct.

1172
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,440
>> Okay. Cool.

1173
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,240
>> Yeah. So that's like

1174
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:04,160
>> that stack.

1175
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Yeah. Right.

1176
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,680
>> So this is like that jigsaw that we're

1177
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,559
piecing together.

1178
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:09,680
>> So they have to meet all those

1179
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,839
architectural standards as well.

1180
00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:15,910
>> Correct.

1181
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,440
along with the height and the square

1182
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,720
foot and lot coverage and

1183
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,000
>> they'll be they'll they'll be all right

1184
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:22,720
with all that.

1185
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:28,390
>> Yeah.

1186
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,319
» Mr. Mlan,

1187
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:31,920
did we beat it up or do you have

1188
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,150
>> You did good.

1189
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,720
What is the feeling about I think we

1190
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,640
still need to talk about whether we move

1191
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,680
these all into special use. I think

1192
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,960
there's also that question we want to make

1193
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,319
you to decide are we keeping it all in

1194
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:59,670
the light industrial where it is today

1195
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,480
or there was a question about moving it

1196
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,680
into heavy industrial. I shared We only

1197
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,319
have one parcel heavy industrial. It's

1198
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:10,960
where the concrete plant is. It's

1199
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,040
smaller than 40 acres already used by

1200
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,680
someone. Um

1201
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,760
so there's that concern that we're

1202
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,319
writing an ordinance that

1203
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:26,240
has nowhere to go.

1204
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,280
>> Exclusionary.

1205
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,270
>> Correct.

1206
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,839
Which, correct me, Mr. Attorney, because

1207
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,319
I'm a lean engineer, exclusionary

1208
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:41,520
ordinances are not allowed. Correct.

1209
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,520
>> Uh, that's correct. Although it looks

1210
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,280
like right now you're putting in your

1211
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,440
light industrial and you have a lot more

1212
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,640
light industrial land. Um, they don't

1213
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,040
have to line up exactly,

1214
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,559
but I think Len has a fair point. uh

1215
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,680
uniquely to your situation that your I2

1216
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,240
there's nothing available, you know, so

1217
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,559
that that might be a little bit of a um

1218
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:10,240
of an issue. Um but uh for most of the

1219
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,359
digital mining data center stuff that's

1220
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,680
going in,

1221
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,960
um there aren't lands that large, so

1222
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,040
they're going to involve reszonings, you

1223
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,640
know, so it's it's kind of a blended

1224
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,799
scale. Um, so anyway, but the

1225
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:30,799
I2 district for you guys might be an

1226
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:33,200
issue unless you're going to do some

1227
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,160
changes

1228
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,599
>> unless we expand it.

1229
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:36,079
>> Yeah,

1230
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:37,280
>> essentially is what you're saying.

1231
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:37,760
>> Yeah,

1232
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,599
>> I don't know that any of us are really

1233
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:42,000
excited about that. Yeah, I mean I'm

1234
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,119
torn because I do feel like the I2 use

1235
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,520
much better aligns with the data center,

1236
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,920
but I don't know that we have a desire

1237
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,880
for a bunch more I2 use in the community

1238
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,640
or need. So, um

1239
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,400
I think it kind of is what it is with

1240
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,799
the current system

1241
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,240
>> and that that's kind of the dilemma

1242
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:03,680
these things all the way around.

1243
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,280
>> Yeah. in

1244
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,119
um the little bit of reading I've done

1245
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,680
on Selen Township, you know, they had

1246
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,599
exclusionary zoning and got sued and

1247
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,000
lost and had a court agreement and now

1248
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,599
they have a data center that they didn't

1249
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,680
want. So, I don't think that approach

1250
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,920
was successful for them. I don't know

1251
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,710
that that's what we want to try then.

1252
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,240
No,

1253
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,000
we have enough uh of uh those little

1254
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:37,109
areas just for development

1255
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:37,760
around here.

1256
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,079
>> Yeah. We have a lot of legacy.

1257
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:41,280
>> Yeah.

1258
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,680
We prefer not to do anymore.

1259
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,799
Um because under the consent agreement,

1260
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:52,319
it's just whatever the court decides and

1261
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:55,040
>> we live with it.

1262
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,680
>> I think their buildings are 550,000

1263
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,069
square feet each.

1264
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,079
Yeah.

1265
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:05,520
Um

1266
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,760
>> I want to circle back to Len's question.

1267
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,240
So for me um you know even five megawws

1268
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,920
you know I did some googling it's

1269
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,720
depends on what your overall energy your

1270
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,240
average house uses but it's anywhere

1271
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,760
from 800 to 5,000 homes and you know

1272
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,319
that's half of our community. So to me

1273
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:26,240
that's absolutely a special land use if

1274
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,680
you're using that much power even if

1275
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,559
you're a little one. So personally I

1276
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,480
would say all data centers should be

1277
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,720
special in uses in mind.

1278
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,040
>> I I like that as well because we can

1279
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,119
like consolidate it all into one spot

1280
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:49,440
and not have general and specific. It's just

1281
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:50,559
specific.

1282
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,839
>> Yeah. And then I I mean I do think we

1283
00:58:53,839 --> 00:59:00,480
need to address the accessory data center so we're not

1284
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,119
um excluding that. But I also think that

1285
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:08,480
the accessory data center with uh you

1286
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,319
know power up to 5 megawws is a little

1287
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:16,000
larger than an accessory

1288
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,670
as well.

1289
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,720
» Um I guess the question for me would be

1290
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,000
how would we know if something were

1291
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,720
accessory

1292
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,559
would be

1293
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:38,710
you said it's associated with a business

1294
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,960
» well I mean just going by the definition

1295
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,200
where it says a data center that is

1296
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,160
ancillary to the principal use of a lot

1297
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,040
parcel which is typically used solely to

1298
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,119
store otherwise support an individual's

1299
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,079
business data and technology needs,

1300
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,750
>> right?

1301
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,440
» I mean, policing it's easy because when

1302
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
we get the the plans, it's going to have

1303
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,000
the

1304
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,920
uh transformer size on it. I mean, 5

1305
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,920
megawatts, you pretty well have to have

1306
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,319
substation type equipment added.

1307
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:20,160
>> So, it would probably

1308
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,960
to a principal use, you know, that's

1309
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,319
approved and we have a site plan for it.

1310
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:31,109
And

1311
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:35,589
» yeah, I don't want to prevent somebody,

1312
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,599
you know, from

1313
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:40,480
um what's the fire protection company?

1314
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,119
Brigade, not brigade. Who does

1315
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:47,520
>> fire pros? No over in South

1316
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,359
can't they manufacture the sprinkler

1317
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:50,960
heads like if they want

1318
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,839
>> Thank you Viking like if they want to

1319
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:57,760
build you know a data center for their

1320
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,270
business use

1321
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,200
I mean maybe data center is not the

1322
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,440
appropriate term for that either right

1323
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,520
it's

1324
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,640
>> um but we have to have some lever that

1325
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:16,069
allows a business to actually

1326
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:17,760
Yeah, I mean

1327
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:18,960
>> network equipment.

1328
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,760
>> I work for Kent County and I manage a

1329
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,359
bunch of buildings and we have two data

1330
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,839
centers in two of the 15 buildings that

1331
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:28,400
I manage and those use a lot more power

1332
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,400
than the average building because it

1333
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,400
takes a lot to take care of moving all

1334
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,079
that information back and forth just for

1335
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,040
our county use.

1336
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,040
>> Yeah. So, we don't want to restrict a

1337
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,359
business from moving their own data,

1338
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:47,829
>> right?

1339
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:52,400
I you know it's that we want to have you

1340
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,000
know I think there's a big picture we're

1341
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,920
talking about data centers but we have

1342
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,520
to remember we can't have unintended

1343
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,000
consequences of

1344
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,359
this impacting what we're not intending

1345
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:09,839
it to either or vice versa

1346
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:12,319
>> I guess speaking about the enforcement

1347
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:15,520
question about you know sound and you

1348
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,030
know ticketing

1349
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,839
I'm curious are we able to have

1350
01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:24,079
different

1351
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:27,920
enforcement thresholds or thresholds by

1352
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:39,030
use

1353
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,720
» I I would Any data center enforcement

1354
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,240
litigation would be circuit court

1355
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,000
lawsuits, not municipal civil

1356
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,920
infractions.

1357
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,680
>> But would it I mean it's got to start

1358
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,880
with some infraction, right? Otherwise,

1359
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,240
you know, what are we here to argue

1360
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,960
about in court? Got to be a violation.

1361
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,599
So, is it there's got to be some ticket

1362
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,599
written initially to start a

1363
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,960
>> um no you you can when you when you

1364
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,559
enforce an ordinance, you can do a

1365
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:08,240
municipal civil infraction district

1366
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,720
court. You can always bring an action in

1367
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,920
circuit court for an injunction

1368
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,520
which you know sometimes you do that

1369
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,640
with mining cases or other larger

1370
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,880
operations. You don't do the district

1371
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,760
court file a complaint and do the whole

1372
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,903
thing in circuit court.

1373
01:03:26,903 --> 01:03:29,280
[clears throat] Can we put the like

1374
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,520
first violation is this second violation

1375
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,640
is that third violation tear it down. Is

1376
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,960
that can you do that in an ordinance?

1377
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,319
>> We already have the violations process

1378
01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,799
in our code.

1379
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,520
>> But is that sufficient for this?

1380
01:03:47,520 --> 01:04:05,750
>> Yeah.

1381
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,359
So it sounds like when we bring this

1382
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:10,240
back, we want to move all of the uses

1383
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,839
except for accessory to special use.

1384
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:15,920
That would help with some of this

1385
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,640
consistency issue. However, we are going

1386
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,599
to have accessory data centers still

1387
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,920
have to abide by the general provision

1388
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,240
section which will have its own

1389
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,549
standards. Um,

1390
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:32,640
and then

1391
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,680
I think that's the big change. And then

1392
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:43,430
these other comments,

1393
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,359
maybe we can get a better definition of

1394
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:49,599
what a sizewise,

1395
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:53,039
you know, uh,

1396
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,599
what's the word again? Sorry, I lost it.

1397
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,559
the accessory data center.

1398
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:02,400
I mean, even a megawatt's way too much.

1399
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,160
But again, I'm just guessing at that,

1400
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,000
you know, what what is can we define

1401
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:13,829
that?

1402
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:16,880
» I don't know. Well, I mean I think you

1403
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,520
say if the accessory is larger than the

1404
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:25,910
five then it becomes um

1405
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,599
» special but maybe five is too high.

1406
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:31,599
>> Yeah, I I'm thinking maybe five is too

1407
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,160
high. I mean maybe the small starts at

1408
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:39,990
one.

1409
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,599
» I mean that's a lot of power. Yeah, I'm

1410
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,400
confident that the counties are way less

1411
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,880
than one and we still you can there's an

1412
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,559
energy difference in our electric bill.

1413
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,680
>> Exactly. You know, maybe it's 500 K 5

1414
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,359
500 KW, you know, half a megawatt

1415
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:02,559
um is where the small I I think we need

1416
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,039
to get a handle as to where the small

1417
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:08,240
starts because I think small at five is

1418
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:19,029
actually still quite big.

1419
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:22,400
Because the utility will always say,

1420
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,079
"Oh, we have the power and it's not

1421
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:26,480
going to cost cost any money anymore."

1422
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,319
And then they go to the public service

1423
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:40,776
commission and ask for more money.

1424
01:06:40,786 --> 01:06:46,390
» [clears throat]

1425
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,760
» And there's a lot of work that's gone

1426
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,400
into it. I think we have a

1427
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:57,910
quite a bit to go on it as well.

1428
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,880
I mean,

1429
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,640
reviewing the noise [snorts]

1430
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,280
requirements and

1431
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,710
um

1432
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,880
in hours of operation, whether the noise

1433
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,599
should be consistent.

1434
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,880
You know, why should it be allowed to be

1435
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,359
louder during the day than it is at

1436
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:50,230
night?

1437
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,799
Ross, do you have any other questions or

1438
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:54,079
comments for us?

1439
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:55,760
>> No, there's a couple other things that I

1440
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,760
could um that day and I were talking

1441
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,680
about that, you know, maybe some things

1442
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,760
on that infrastructure things need to be

1443
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,599
paid for. There are some provisions in

1444
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:06,400
there, but clarify that they'll pay for

1445
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,960
things that maybe you normally wouldn't

1446
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,079
do and maybe the enforcability of that

1447
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:16,560
is um

1448
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,400
not part of the discussion as much as

1449
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,839
sometimes you put it in there and

1450
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:22,080
they'll pay it.

1451
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,920
you know that if you need to upgrade

1452
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,759
your fire equipment, if you need to do

1453
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:26,799
different things and there's a

1454
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:28,640
requirement in there,

1455
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,719
>> um that you have a basis for arguing

1456
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:32,000
that.

1457
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,839
>> Um and there were a couple other

1458
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:35,199
comments just that we were talking

1459
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:39,440
about, but you know, um I have seen the

1460
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:41,600
range of

1461
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,759
um what's allowed as small scale go down

1462
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:45,440
it seems like as these ordinances

1463
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:48,000
develop over time. So just what you're

1464
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,600
saying that they've gone they've gone

1465
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,920
down in the kilowatts. I've also seen

1466
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,440
them where they've done that and only

1467
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:56,319
for small scale added a maximum building

1468
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,960
size that's consistent with other uses

1469
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,600
in that district. You know that it has

1470
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,440
to be under this or that building size.

1471
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,359
So, so really exactly what you're

1472
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:08,960
talking about, you guys are kind of

1473
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,279
right there on where these things are

1474
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,789
developing.

1475
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,799
» Yeah, I guess I would piggyback that

1476
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:18,159
that's one thing that still makes me

1477
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:19,759
uncomfortable is the maximum building

1478
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:21,120
size being

1479
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,000
000 square feet. I mean, I'd have to

1480
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,040
Google how big a Costco or, you know,

1481
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,679
Meer Super Center is, but I think it's

1482
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:35,669
smaller than that. Um, and

1483
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:38,719
because we don't have additional room

1484
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:43,120
left in industrial, the little bit of

1485
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,520
land that we have in the community, not

1486
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,319
necessarily a desire to change to add

1487
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,359
more. Um, I just feel like a building

1488
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,679
that big is in conflict with light

1489
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:56,400
industrial but we need to provide

1490
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:01,199
provision for all these things and that one in particular I just can't

1491
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:04,960
solve there's conflict seems too big but

1492
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:10,229
we need to allow something

1493
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:13,120
but you said you put that's 200

1494
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,910
over 40 acres

1495
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,840
» page 10 Yes.

1496
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,950
>> Okay.

1497
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:23,679
150.

1498
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:24,480
>> Okay.

1499
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,920
>> Yeah. I was going to say they're like

1500
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,880
100 to 200.

1501
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,239
Um yeah. So the minimum lot area is 40,

1502
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,239
but the maximum

1503
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,120
building you can put on it. A total of

1504
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,880
200.

1505
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:41,840
Correct.

1506
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,080
>> Right. That's what it says right now.

1507
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:45,280
>> So if you split it up into four

1508
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,520
buildings, you 50,000 square foot

1509
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:48,080
buildings.

1510
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,280
>> I don't think That's what that's saying.

1511
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,640
That's just saying that the maximum

1512
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,080
building size is 200,000.

1513
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,080
>> You could have multiple buildings.

1514
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,000
>> No. Well, that's not how I read it at

1515
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,480
all. I I read it as basically the

1516
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,560
maximum

1517
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,040
square footage under a roof to be

1518
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,800
200,000 square feet.

1519
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,719
>> You could have multiple roofs.

1520
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:08,080
>> See, that's not how I read that.

1521
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,120
>> It's Yeah, he didn't. He He read it. It

1522
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,120
has a lot coverage of 10%.

1523
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,280
>> Right.

1524
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,199
>> Plus or minus.

1525
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:18,719
>> That's the

1526
01:11:18,719 --> 01:11:21,920
for lot

1527
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,760
of buildings and the total square

1528
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:29,110
footage under roof per

1529
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,920
» well it okay again to me that's how it

1530
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:37,840
read so you know if we need to make that

1531
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,840
you know more

1532
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,040
clear

1533
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,960
>> that you know it's a maximum 10% lot

1534
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,199
coverage in addition

1535
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,679
and you know, 200,000

1536
01:11:49,679 --> 01:11:51,840
square feet,

1537
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,000
you know, is a total. That's what I read

1538
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,600
it to me, too. And I And to me, that's

1539
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,640
I mean, that's going to be pretty

1540
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,159
protectionary. You're not going to have

1541
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,719
any There's not a whole lot of data

1542
01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:06,159
center developers, I don't think, that

1543
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:07,440
are going to be interested in paying

1544
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,360
that much for dirt and then having that

1545
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,760
kind of density. It's just

1546
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,760
>> Yeah, because Yeah. Now, reading it the

1547
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,840
other direction, I initially read it,

1548
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,239
how you read it, which again goes back

1549
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,159
to we always have to be clear on what

1550
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:23,040
we're

1551
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,719
>> saying. So, I appreciate that it was

1552
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:27,360
brought up because if you take the 40

1553
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,640
acres minus 1,000 square feet around the

1554
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,480
outside, just winging the math, that's

1555
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,560
30 acres. I mean, but this thing's going

1556
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:37,920
to be, you know, you do this, it's going

1557
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,840
to be set up like four knocks, right?

1558
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:41,040
>> You know, where you got a building in

1559
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,719
the very middle, it's 200,000 square

1560
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:45,520
feet and you're going to have, you know,

1561
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,960
thousand foot you know, maybe 2,000 foot

1562
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,760
sight lines all around the building, you

1563
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,360
know, assuming they put it in the middle

1564
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,719
of the property, right?

1565
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:57,360
>> Yeah. You don't want to see, you know,

1566
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,640
say the 40 with a,000 acre setback or

1567
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,000
thousand foot setback makes it 30 just

1568
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,440
>> so I think this is all kind of

1569
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:06,800
consistent

1570
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,480
>> because we're talking about again like

1571
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,120
all these noise type things and you know

1572
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,600
what is because again I think you know

1573
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,400
they have they have the right to

1574
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,800
have noise on their own property, right?

1575
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,239
If they wanted it, if they could put it

1576
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,800
in a cylinder and shoot it up to space

1577
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,320
and nobody around them could hear the

1578
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,040
noise and it was 400 dB

1579
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,280
to the airport and that's dangerous. We

1580
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,480
should do that.

1581
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:32,480
>> Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, so, you know,

1582
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:35,440
I just I think this is consistent with

1583
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,960
basically, again, we're trying to keep

1584
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,239
noise, pollutants, you know, all sorts

1585
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:46,239
of things from even visual you know,

1586
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:49,199
offenses from omitting to the edges of

1587
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:50,320
the property.

1588
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,320
>> Well, let's pull that string and go down

1589
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,000
that road a little bit. Um, so if we say

1590
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,280
the minimum lot is 40 acres, let's just

1591
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,239
start. Does anybody have a any big issue

1592
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,000
with that?

1593
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,679
>> Okay. Then

1594
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:10,480
>> how many buildings?

1595
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:11,840
>> It wouldn't matter. I think as many as

1596
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:17,840
it would. Well, that's Do we care?

1597
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,679
>> Not really. They want to put it in four

1598
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:21,280
buildings or they want to put it in

1599
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,040
>> Yeah, but you're we're saying the 200

1600
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:24,800
they can do four buildings. Is that what

1601
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,320
you're okay with? Okay.

1602
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,239
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm

1603
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:30,239
>> You want the 40 acres? No more than

1604
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:33,679
200,000. No matter how if they do

1605
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:35,040
>> uh 20

1606
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,040
>> 20 buildings, right?

1607
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,560
>> They built like Bill Gates's house and

1608
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,400
they decide that they want to put, you

1609
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,120
know, 15,000 feet underground and then

1610
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,560
just have a little couple popups here

1611
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,199
and there above the ground you know they

1612
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:48,960
want to put a grass rose on them and

1613
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,880
live like a hobbit that's fine you know

1614
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,840
I think but they just get you know you

1615
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,560
got they got 200,000 square feet that

1616
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,800
they can use so I mean to me it's going

1617
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,120
to be again economically I think it's

1618
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,679
going to be incredibly restrictive

1619
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:07,760
from an economic standpoint but I think

1620
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,480
it you know from our you know standpoint

1621
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,440
of trying to community, you know, what's

1622
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,760
the public, you know, the wealth

1623
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,400
interest of welfare. I mean,

1624
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,830
>> reason

1625
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,520
I I'm not disagreeing because I read it

1626
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:24,560
the same way as you.

1627
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,199
>> Yeah.

1628
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,360
>> I just want to make sure that

1629
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,640
>> Yeah. But it would have to be clear to

1630
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,199
the world that, you know, it's 200,000

1631
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:32,239
square feet is

1632
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:32,719
>> total

1633
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:35,360
>> the total developable under

1634
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,760
>> because I'm not just calling up

1635
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,920
>> we interpreted it differently. Correct.

1636
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,320
Right. already amongst you know six

1637
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,080
people here we already interpreted it

1638
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,880
different so that can't be that can't be

1639
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:51,750
the final language

1640
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,040
see you calculating

1641
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,000
>> yeah I just was trying to figure out uh

1642
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,440
if a 40acre parcel was a square it would

1643
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:04,080
be 1 1320 ft for each leg of the square

1644
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,679
and if we have a th00and foot setback

1645
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:10,000
frankly that's not

1646
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,320
if it's adjacent to residential. So

1647
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,480
>> that that is practically difficult. I

1648
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:18,239
guess that so maybe we have to

1649
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:20,480
reconsider that the setback 800 foot

1650
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:21,920
setback. I think we need to start

1651
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,760
looking at 60 acres or 80.

1652
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,840
>> Yeah. I mean, maybe we increase the

1653
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:26,800
setbacks. Correct.

1654
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,480
>> The setbacks. There's nothing wrong. I

1655
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:29,679
agree. There's nothing wrong with the

1656
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:32,400
setback, but

1657
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,600
>> um you know,

1658
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,199
again,

1659
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,600
but then we have to define total

1660
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,199
200,000,

1661
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:42,159
>> right?

1662
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:43,360
>> Or whatever the number is.

1663
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,880
>> Well, then I guess I guess it is going

1664
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,640
to have to be larger than, you know,

1665
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,320
physically accomplish that. And I don't

1666
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,880
have any problem pushing say 60 or

1667
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,320
whatever, you know, or

1668
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:59,189
that's

1669
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:00,719
» because you end up with a lot of green

1670
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:01,440
space,

1671
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,520
>> right? A lot of green space, which is

1672
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:04,480
great,

1673
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,199
>> right? I mean, I think we had was all

1674
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,679
surrounded by forest or surrounded by a

1675
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:12,719
mow yard or whatever they choose to do.

1676
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:15,280
as long as it's been a setback and you

1677
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,360
know you I just think you're a lot less

1678
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:18,880
issues

1679
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:24,390
you know like given it that space

1680
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,950
and there is nothing saying

1681
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,000
that they can't plant trees and stuff in

1682
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,600
the setback correct I just want to

1683
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,080
do we have landscape requirements that

1684
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,679
we need to tie this

1685
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:40,960
>> we reference that

1686
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:45,440
>> is Is it is it enough?

1687
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,920
I I'm not asking you an answer now, but

1688
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,120
it's just is do we have enough if if

1689
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,800
we're going to 60 and 1,000 square feet,

1690
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,880
do we have enough landscaping

1691
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,640
requirements? And is the landscaping

1692
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,560
requirements on all sides just the road

1693
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,159
frontage?

1694
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:08,400
>> It's the same. I mean, we'd say that it

1695
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,120
has to comply with chapter 28 and then

1696
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,000
our new architectural standards.

1697
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,800
Um, also have the landscaping and

1698
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,280
buffering standards. But we do say an

1699
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,440
additional burn offering landscaping

1700
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,000
shall be required along any property

1701
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,800
shared with an adjacent property that's

1702
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,640
in a residential district.

1703
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,719
>> What if it's not zone res? I mean, maybe

1704
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:36,320
we want to change it so it's just

1705
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:44,149
adjacent to any

1706
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:45,840
» this is what happens. We start pulling

1707
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,600
strings and figure out other areas of

1708
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,159
the ordinance that we need to address at

1709
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:53,600
the same time. Well, as far as having

1710
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,760
two or three buildings, I mean, we

1711
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,600
regulate how many buildings will go on

1712
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,480
residential lots and every other lots.

1713
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:01,760
Why wouldn't we regulate how many

1714
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,550
buildings they can have?

1715
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,000
I'm I just, you know, personally, I

1716
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,239
think that's fine. I go ahead and

1717
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,880
regulated. I just think in my mind, it

1718
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,960
doesn't really matter too much, you

1719
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,239
know, how many buildings they're going

1720
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,640
to do. They're not going to put up, you

1721
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,159
know,

1722
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:24,400
10 by 10,

1723
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,679
you know what I mean?

1724
01:19:27,679 --> 01:19:30,560
>> Yeah. They want to do it in large

1725
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,520
football field type things like you see.

1726
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:42,709
to switch along east Paris.

1727
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:44,719
» You think you have enough to go on this

1728
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:45,679
one?

1729
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:51,280
>> So, yeah, increasing the area as well.

1730
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,280
>> I'd like another to look at the land,

1731
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,080
you know, do we need the buring, the

1732
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,320
landscaping,

1733
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,199
>> all that

1734
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:04,790
>> that we're doing to

1735
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,640
Yeah, maybe it's like plant they got to

1736
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,440
plant, you know, a row of trays, you

1737
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:25,510
know, four feet, four trees deep.

1738
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:32,950
» Yeah. Patter.

1739
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,440
Yeah. So I think next steps are we get

1740
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:40,480
it split look at the other different

1741
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:42,640
sections [snorts] that we tal you know

1742
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,840
that we talked about talk square footage

1743
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,960
or acreage split foot and

1744
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,000
then you know look at some of the noise

1745
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,320
requirements

1746
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,320
and get another

1747
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,159
draft, I think. But I don't I don't

1748
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:07,920
think even at our the next draft is

1749
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,520
anywhere close to the final because

1750
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,239
we're going to want to to Mr. Bisser's

1751
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:16,239
point is to make sure that we all are

1752
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:18,880
interpreting it the same way

1753
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,520
>> when it comes to it because we don't want to have our

1754
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,760
township attorney trying to explain

1755
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,640
that's not what we meant. when we wrote

1756
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,270
it

1757
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,199
» and it's a rapidly changing environment

1758
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:37,120
and even 30 days from now there could be

1759
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:38,719
new and better information than exists

1760
01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:39,360
today.

1761
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,840
>> Right.

1762
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,679
So, it's

1763
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:46,640
I mean I think we're getting

1764
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,640
we're farther along than where we

1765
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,520
started, but I don't we're not halfway

1766
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:58,950
through the marathon yet.

1767
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,639
Unless others have different opinion on

1768
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,040
that.

1769
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,719
>> We'd like to have a good draft for you

1770
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:07,520
next time.

1771
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,159
>> Yeah, that's what we do. Just keeping

1772
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:11,760
closer on it and we'll get it

1773
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,920
eventually.

1774
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,840
>> And I know the township is not

1775
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,760
interested in letting the moratorum

1776
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,880
expire without having an ordinance in

1777
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:26,950
place. So that will

1778
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,040
progress. We're moving forward and we'll

1779
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,679
make sure that we

1780
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:37,120
>> Okay. So my I'd like just some agenda

1781
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,320
items.

1782
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,320
>> Oh, hold on. Hold on.

1783
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,520
>> Maybe under number nine.

1784
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,360
>> Okay. I'm anxious. I want

1785
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,639
>> Did you [laughter] Did you write them

1786
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:47,840
down so you won't forget?

1787
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,679
>> It's right here. No, I didn't. I didn't.

1788
01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:51,360
That's why I got to get it out.

1789
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,159
>> Might want to write them down.

1790
01:22:54,159 --> 01:23:00,629
All right. Any other discussion on 7A?

1791
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:04,000
» Thank you, Miss Len and Ross for what

1792
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,760
you've done into it. Sorry, we're giving

1793
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,400
you a lot more work, but

1794
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:13,669
we want to get it right.

1795
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:15,840
All right, at this time we will do the

1796
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,239
public comment for five minutes for

1797
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:25,750
anyone who would like to speak.

1798
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,520
You have five minutes this time, right?

1799
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,080
>> Correct. Okay.

1800
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,520
Um I'd like to uh visit the uh the sound

1801
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,702
issue had some comments on that but

1802
01:23:36,702 --> 01:23:37,760
[clears throat]

1803
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,199
um the if you followed what's going on

1804
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:43,199
in the country in the area of sound in

1805
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,440
the in the

1806
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:48,239
uh data centers something called infra

1807
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:52,080
infrasound is the new concern.

1808
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,639
um in the minutes or in the section here

1809
01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:57,520
I see references to dB the sound level

1810
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,440
with a parenthesis that implies very

1811
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,600
rigorously that the sound equipment that

1812
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,400
measured that simply used the 20 hertz

1813
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,080
to 20 kHz the human human hearing band

1814
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,600
most of us don't come anywhere near

1815
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,920
hearing that range but it's the area

1816
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,080
below 20 hertz that's referred to now as

1817
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:19,600
infrasound

1818
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,400
and it's you to measure that takes

1819
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,800
different equipment and you'll know if

1820
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,760
you see DB with a C in parenthesis that

1821
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,239
that's included the entire frequency

1822
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:35,440
band zero to 20 kHz. Um, it has to be

1823
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:37,040
addressed because they're finding now

1824
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:38,560
all over the country, in fact, there's a

1825
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,199
lot of lawsuits now popping up against

1826
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:43,760
municipalities and the data centers

1827
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,719
because there are very very identifiable

1828
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,880
physical ailments that are now

1829
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,920
associated with this infrasound.

1830
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,280
Um, it's not attenuated by the usual

1831
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,040
methods. Um, walls won't do it. In fact,

1832
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,600
data center in South South Dakota

1833
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,719
discovered after spending $5 million on

1834
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:07,199
special sound deadening walls around

1835
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:09,280
their facility that it didn't help the

1836
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,600
infrasound one bit. It was still being

1837
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,760
propagated. The reason for that is it

1838
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,719
propagates through the ground as well.

1839
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:18,639
Um, it can travel great distance. We're

1840
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:20,480
talking miles. We're talking 5 to 10

1841
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,880
miles. Obviously, it gets less the

1842
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,840
further away, but setbacks probably not

1843
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,040
going to solve that unless you're

1844
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,199
talking setbacks, and that's not likely

1845
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:32,560
to happen. Um, basically it has to be

1846
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,800
stopped at the source and the data

1847
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,400
centers are wrestling, the builders of

1848
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,000
the data centers are wrestling with that

1849
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,840
problem. Now, uh, cooling towers seem to

1850
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,760
be what it's related to. And anytime you

1851
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,239
got rotating machinery and the machinery

1852
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:48,639
gets out of phase a little bit, you end

1853
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:52,800
up it ends up producing these subsonic

1854
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,080
uh not subsonic but sub below 10 10 or

1855
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,280
20 hertz down into the infrared or

1856
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:05,360
infrasound region. And these have to be dealt with um usually

1857
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,280
vibrations dampers or something like

1858
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:08,639
that.

1859
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:10,960
essentially a new design of the cooling

1860
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,400
towers. And if you looked at any of

1861
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,840
these big centers, you're talking maybe

1862
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,679
a hundred of these cooling towers and

1863
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:19,840
that's contributing to this this

1864
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,760
infrasound. Um, I've got a name of a

1865
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:28,560
good video, a YouTube video that we all of us here should watch. It's called

1866
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,760
Data Center Noise, a smarter approach to

1867
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,840
global problems.

1868
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,560
Um, I've got a copy of the Alageney

1869
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,719
County, Pennsylvania noise and

1870
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:41,040
vibration. They address these issues,

1871
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,719
the sound issues in four pages in their

1872
01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:48,080
um their documentation. I would I would

1873
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:49,679
suggest that we all go back and maybe

1874
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:51,120
look at that to see because they've got

1875
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,760
tables, they address the DBC, they

1876
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,280
address a number of other levels of

1877
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:58,960
sound, too. And uh I think for this, you

1878
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,840
know, for the safety of the community,

1879
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,920
uh the township and you know, we don't

1880
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,600
want to be subject to lawsuits. I think

1881
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,239
we need to include that in our

1882
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:10,560
specifications. Make sure that that's

1883
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,360
because that's addressed and uh and we

1884
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:16,239
may have to say let's give it six months

1885
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:19,120
or a year to allow that to settle out

1886
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,880
because it has to be settled out. And uh

1887
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,000
and I think if we don't include that um

1888
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,880
that that's a huge oversight. So

1889
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,120
>> and that's what you passed out, right?

1890
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,239
>> Is is that the one from uh

1891
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:37,669
>> Alagany

1892
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:43,270
Delaware and

1893
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,400
» I'm I'll check you out afterwards. It's

1894
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,960
a It's the one from Alageney Township is

1895
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,760
rather u

1896
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,159
rather technical, but it may be that

1897
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:56,960
that's what it'll take. And there's ways

1898
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,320
of measuring it. Um give you an idea

1899
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:04,159
just an experience of infrasound. You

1900
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:05,840
remember the days when we had the Boeing

1901
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,320
727 with the two engines mounted on the

1902
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,360
body and the back? DC9s are the same

1903
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,520
way. If you ever flew on a Boeing 727

1904
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,320
and sat in the back seat, flew for very

1905
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,320
long, when you got off, your brain said,

1906
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,639
"Don't ever do this again." Because

1907
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:25,120
those engines, the spools on the engines

1908
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,360
would get out of sync a little bit in

1909
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,840
terms of RPM, and you'd end up with like

1910
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,320
a one or a two second modulation, the

1911
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,560
engine noise, and it's just a pounding

1912
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,880
noise. I've experienced it. I think a

1913
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,080
lot of you probably experienced that.

1914
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,400
It's a pounding noise. You don't hear

1915
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,560
that noise. you hear the engine noise,

1916
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,480
but it certainly affects your brain and

1917
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:47,199
your body and uh to the point where you

1918
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:49,679
don't want to do it again. So,

1919
01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:50,880
>> thank you.

1920
01:28:50,880 --> 01:29:06,470
Greg.

1921
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:07,760
» Didn't really want to follow him up

1922
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,840
because I'm such an amateur at this. It

1923
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,080
was really informative. Um, my name is

1924
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,239
Melissa Katie and I live in Greymore. U,

1925
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:15,920
most of what I've kind of I feel like

1926
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,040
you guys addressed a lot of the things

1927
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:18,880
that I was concerned with tonight. I

1928
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,239
just had a couple things I wanted to

1929
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,239
just maybe go over in my notes, but

1930
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:23,520
definitely want to thank you for all the

1931
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:24,800
hard work and time you guys have put

1932
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,960
into this because it is even me googling

1933
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:31,520
is feels like a ton of work. Um, I did

1934
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,760
look at in my own research today, I had

1935
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,120
looked at the size of buildings, what

1936
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,120
you had to address for how big a regular

1937
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:38,800
size building is. Like the typical Home

1938
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,280
Depot is only 105,000 square feet.

1939
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,120
Davenport's biggest building over by

1940
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,800
where this property is that we're

1941
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,280
concerned with is 140,000. So, it is a

1942
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,960
pretty significantly large building if

1943
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,679
it is one single building of that size.

1944
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:54,639
So, um, it doesn't technically fit with

1945
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:55,920
I wouldn't think the buildings around

1946
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:57,120
it, especially with the residential

1947
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,360
which are much smaller. Um, The other

1948
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:00,880
thing was the obviously I like the

1949
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:02,159
restrictions on noise but from

1950
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:03,520
everything I've read data centers run

1951
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,760
pretty much the same decibels all day

1952
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,199
every day doing the same thing. The

1953
01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:10,080
generators seem to be what change like

1954
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,360
they would have to run those during

1955
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:12,960
certain times but everything I've been

1956
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,480
seeing has been that they run a constant

1957
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:19,280
same hum or whatever the sound is is

1958
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:20,239
going to be through the day and night.

1959
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:21,679
So if there are restrictions on time

1960
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:24,239
periods are how effective are they if it

1961
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:26,960
runs at these same levels all the time.

1962
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,760
Um I also done some research on that

1963
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,560
infrasound. Um not I don't know nearly

1964
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,199
as much about it, but I did see things

1965
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:37,360
um about the negative health impacts. Um

1966
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,520
also that when you think of it in the

1967
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,440
terms of a plane or something that

1968
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:42,719
you're on for a short period of time,

1969
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:46,480
these are 247 365 of this sound coming

1970
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,120
through. Um the National Institute of

1971
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,639
Health has a report on that also that

1972
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:52,080
it's they're thinking that it causes

1973
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,960
cardiac issues and affects people with

1974
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,280
autoimmune diseases just people without

1975
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,440
health issues causing all sorts of brain

1976
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:02,639
fogs and all different headaches and

1977
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:04,480
different things that are coming up and

1978
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:06,480
because this is such an everchanging

1979
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:09,280
industry um I was reading about this

1980
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,800
again not an expert this is just

1981
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,719
something maybe to let you guys go do

1982
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:14,560
your own research on too that they're

1983
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,280
moving from some crypto mining to I data

1984
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:19,920
centers which are then using instead of

1985
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,480
the average 300 megawatts the same

1986
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:24,400
facility would use a thousand megawatts

1987
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,159
and so I would just have questions on is

1988
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:27,760
there I don't I don't know if there's an

1989
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,600
ability to do this but a cap at some

1990
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,840
point or you had mentioned before about

1991
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,360
the residents getting the costs at some

1992
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,440
point if they're just increasing their

1993
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:39,760
usage in these same size facilities at

1994
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,840
what point the only thing I could find

1995
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:43,840
is that we would have to go as residents

1996
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,000
and look up all of the reports for usage

1997
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,840
data uh and then compare from year to

1998
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,480
year and that just doesn't seem like as

1999
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,480
residents we would have much power to

2000
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:54,400
really fight that and even if we did

2001
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,320
find discrepancies where we go with that

2002
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,280
information and who would protect us. So

2003
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:00,719
I was just concerned with seeing that

2004
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:02,560
they're using more and more and more

2005
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,880
they're not like scaling down with the

2006
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,560
advance in technology they seem to be

2007
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,320
increasing what they can fit into that

2008
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,280
space. Um

2009
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,679
oh the one question I had was on the

2010
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:15,679
time frame for decommissioning is that

2011
01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:17,520
something that could take 10, 15, 20

2012
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,040
years or is there a specific amount of

2013
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:20,159
time because that abandoned building

2014
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:21,760
could just be like rotting there in the

2015
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,679
meantime while we wait for it? Um

2016
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:24,880
especially like the properties we're

2017
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,080
talking about are so close to our

2018
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,239
houses. You don't want animals, people,

2019
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:31,040
any kind of things that come with that.

2020
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:35,920
Um the moratorum, I don't know if as far

2021
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,239
as I know, it wasn't

2022
01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:40,480
discussed or anything. We I'm just

2023
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,159
wanted to support still extending that

2024
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:44,159
moratorium. there's so much more

2025
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:47,040
research to do and just hopefully um you

2026
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,480
guys get the time you need to be able to

2027
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,679
do all of the research. Um and that's

2028
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:53,760
really it. I just wanted to say great

2029
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,520
job on everything so far and those are

2030
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,960
my little notes.

2031
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:11,270
>> Thank you.

2032
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,520
Hello. Uh, Danielle again.

2033
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,120
Um, so I'm the one that has a

2034
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,600
preschooler going to Dutton.

2035
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,520
And so I really just want you to take

2036
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:22,719
what these people are saying in

2037
01:33:22,719 --> 01:33:25,520
consideration and your school is on the

2038
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,000
border of Gaines Township who has

2039
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,600
Microsoft

2040
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,520
um, trying to put in a data center on

2041
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,560
76th and Patter. And so if you guys

2042
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,639
could make a committee, I've been to the

2043
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:38,239
school board meetings and I've talked to

2044
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:41,280
them like what can you guys do to talk

2045
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,440
with gains to make sure that you guys

2046
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:44,960
are doing a great job with some of your

2047
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:51,280
really specifics? Um you know numbers and enforcement and

2048
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:52,719
you're on I don't know what you guys can

2049
01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,480
do across township lines but that

2050
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:58,800
Patterson and 76 area. Um,

2051
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,120
so trying to like enforce like what you

2052
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,199
guys would like to have either working

2053
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:07,600
with Gaines and Dan Wells over there to

2054
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,400
get them to maybe modify some of their

2055
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:14,560
um specific specifics um for their

2056
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,080
ordinance update because they're trying

2057
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,199
to work on one as well um or encourage

2058
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,040
them to follow your numbers because you

2059
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,440
have residents budding up next to them.

2060
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:25,840
Um but just for reference, the Amazon

2061
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,440
building I has about a 400,000 a 400,000

2062
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:32,800
square foot um footing. Um it's two

2063
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,960
stories, so it's like 850,000 square

2064
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,960
feet, but you guys have a limit to how

2065
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:38,320
tall your building can be, which is

2066
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,120
good. Um their burm is like probably a

2067
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,600
24 foot burm, which is a decent size,

2068
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,360
but they don't have enough trees. So, I

2069
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,000
definitely would update your trees and

2070
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:49,440
foilage and make sure they're at least

2071
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:51,920
like 10 year old trees, lots of bushes,

2072
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,679
because they don't have enough stuff on

2073
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:58,000
that wall, that BM. Um, and as you hear,

2074
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,280
you um should consider more information

2075
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:05,040
about the DBC infrasound noise. Um,

2076
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,520
especially with the school nearby. Um,

2077
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,600
you know, and if you have the special

2078
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,040
education students that are going to be

2079
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,000
in that building or just outside during

2080
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,040
playtime or inside trying to learn, um,

2081
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:18,719
that's going to probably affect them

2082
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:22,800
because of how close it is. And again,

2083
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,840
it is 247 noise. Um, it's not Monday

2084
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,760
through Friday, 8 to 5, right? It's all

2085
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,440
day every day. So, I'm really glad that

2086
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,239
you are trying to have like a daytime

2087
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,800
noise limit and a nighttime noise limit,

2088
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,120
but we should also be addressing the

2089
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,159
vibration noise, the infrasound DBC or

2090
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:43,360
DBZ. Again, I haven't been able to do

2091
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,440
like really good research on the

2092
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:47,920
specifics of that. [clears throat]

2093
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,950
Um,

2094
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,679
and maybe some more. I I saw something

2095
01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:55,360
about following Eagle standards in

2096
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,480
there. I'm not sure if that includes

2097
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:59,199
like water retention and because they're

2098
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:00,880
going to because they may have a lot of

2099
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,040
cement, see what what they would use for

2100
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,600
like pesticide usage. I'm sure you have

2101
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,440
rules about that for any other

2102
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:10,239
commercial place. So, that's probably

2103
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:13,920
covered. Um, and yeah, definitely what

2104
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,159
happens if they don't comply. So, what I

2105
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:18,239
saw you have like a spot for them to

2106
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:20,960
have money set aside for when they don't

2107
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,920
comply with your rules, but how are you

2108
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,199
going to know they're not complying? Are

2109
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,301
you doing regular testing and by whom?

2110
01:36:28,301 --> 01:36:31,520
[clears throat] And um

2111
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:32,880
something in there about trying to use

2112
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,719
the most clean energy available at the

2113
01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:36,480
time. So, like right now their diesel

2114
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:38,639
generators have there's like different

2115
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:41,120
versions of them and like Switch said

2116
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,360
they're going to use the version four

2117
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,360
diesel generator which better than what

2118
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,840
Gaines Township has in their ordinance,

2119
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,280
but who knows when this is going to

2120
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:50,639
happen, right? Things are constantly

2121
01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:52,239
changing. So, have something in there

2122
01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,000
that says like the best of the best

2123
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,880
available at the time. Maybe maybe leave

2124
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,880
a little open instead of being too

2125
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:00,960
specific as to like, oh, make sure you

2126
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,880
use this diesel generator. And then in

2127
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:04,639
10 years, it's like, oh, just kidding.

2128
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:06,239
It's better now. And I'm sure you guys

2129
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,080
can update your ordinances over time,

2130
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:15,270
too. Um, but uh just um

2131
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,520
Yeah. Um, so anyway, and I just

2132
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:21,600
encourage you to maybe get in uh chats

2133
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:26,480
with gains and the school board for the school issue that's going to be

2134
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:28,719
right on the border next to the

2135
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:30,480
Microsoft one. Okay.

2136
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:31,199
>> Thanks.

2137
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:37,669
>> Thank you.

2138
01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:40,239
» Okay. Hey, Deb Steady. Um, want to refer

2139
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:43,280
to the document that I handed out and

2140
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,960
um, this is a model ordinance. It

2141
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,119
represents noise in about four and a

2142
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:52,239
half pages. Think about what our current

2143
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:55,040
draft how that addresses noise at this

2144
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:58,000
point. So, the point was made, how are

2145
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,639
you going to know how to comply? First

2146
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:05,440
of the 60 DBA or the 55 or 45, it's

2147
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:08,239
meaningless. It's It's what you

2148
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:10,239
suggested. Somebody going up with a

2149
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:13,119
little decimal meter and saying, "What

2150
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,239
is the amount of noise here?" That's not

2151
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:19,520
how the noise needs to be calculated. It

2152
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,840
needs to be a a continuous an LEQ, a

2153
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:27,920
continuous level to accommodate the big

2154
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,560
noises, the small noises. And basically,

2155
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,199
it averages it out. it has it in a

2156
01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:36,159
bucket and it's done over a period of

2157
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:38,880
time, sometimes 24 hours. You need to

2158
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,960
have a compliance metric if you think

2159
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:42,800
you're going to enforce a noise

2160
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,440
ordinance piece to what you're doing.

2161
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,320
So, I really would stress [snorts] for

2162
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:50,719
you to take a look at this and Ross

2163
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:52,400
perhaps you could tell me who was the

2164
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,560
noise expert that helped you draft that

2165
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:59,440
portion of the noise section. Were you

2166
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:04,239
relying on noise experts or how did that

2167
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:11,189
come about?

2168
01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:13,199
» As we've

2169
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:15,360
said before, this is your time to talk,

2170
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,119
not for us to answer your questions.

2171
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,040
>> Okay, that's a good point. So let's have

2172
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:21,920
a public workshop where the public can

2173
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:25,119
come and get answers to their questions,

2174
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,480
bring data, have a reasonable discussion

2175
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:31,520
versus being cut off from providing

2176
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:35,280
anything new that might help us better

2177
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,840
protect our township and our citizens

2178
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,880
and our children.

2179
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,600
The the control that's being exercised

2180
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:48,320
by the chair is really a very um

2181
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:50,560
What do I want to say?

2182
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,040
Uh, discouraging

2183
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,880
because to me that says you don't want

2184
01:39:54,880 --> 01:40:00,310
to learn anything new.

2185
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,400
I want to learn something new. We've all

2186
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,040
been working very hard as citizens to

2187
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,520
educate ourselves and to provide good

2188
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,000
information to you.

2189
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,360
And so, respect that, please.

2190
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,280
And give it give us some answers.

2191
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,360
We spend our time to come here and to

2192
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,239
say our attorney that our taxpayer

2193
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:25,520
dollars fund cannot answer a citizen

2194
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,159
question.

2195
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:30,000
Does that make sense to you? It doesn't

2196
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:31,520
make sense to me. Thank you for your

2197
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:46,310
time.

2198
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,239
Seeing no further public comment, we

2199
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,480
will close the extended public comment

2200
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,000
period for this time. Commissioner

2201
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:53,920
comments. Mr. Donovan, I know you have

2202
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:54,400
something.

2203
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:55,520
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2204
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,159
>> All right. I wanted to add one one uh

2205
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:01,760
agenda item. I would like to have a

2206
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,159
discussion and you know I don't know how

2207
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:05,679
we notice it out and how all these

2208
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,119
things kind of work in the background

2209
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:10,080
but I would like to see if we can talk

2210
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:14,000
about increasing the minimum lot size

2211
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:17,440
for agricultural and rural residentially

2212
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:20,000
zoned properties.

2213
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,000
All right. I would like to kind of talk

2214
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,000
about that. And then the backdrop of

2215
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,960
this is obviously, you know, the

2216
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,400
amendment to Michigan Land Vision Act.

2217
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:34,320
Okay. That's kind of the backdrop of

2218
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:38,080
why, you know, I would like to have that

2219
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,400
discussion and those two I think kind of

2220
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:42,400
think go hand in hand in implementation

2221
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:44,719
of the updates land division act and

2222
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:47,119
then what we're allowing as far as

2223
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:50,880
minimum lot size for some of our zoning

2224
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,280
here.

2225
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:56,719
>> So if we can put that on the agenda. Um

2226
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:59,040
and then the second thing would be again

2227
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:03,199
just a Quick discussion discussion on uh

2228
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:07,600
you know whether or not to uh send

2229
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:11,760
basically the uh the board a request for

2230
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,199
an extension of the uh

2231
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,840
>> moratorum

2232
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,920
on data centers.

2233
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,119
>> It's October.

2234
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,679
>> I think it's October right now. So if we

2235
01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:25,520
do it now then we you know kind of come

2236
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,360
toward the end of month September send

2237
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:30,480
it over to the board. I think the idea

2238
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,639
is to get closer. We have a couple

2239
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:35,520
meetings between now and the moratorum.

2240
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,320
>> We already did. Thank you. We already

2241
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,480
did send a recommendation to the

2242
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:42,800
township board. They're aware of the

2243
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:46,480
desire to extend it and as I mentioned

2244
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,040
earlier there there is no don't believe

2245
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,520
that there's a desire to let that lapse

2246
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,760
but the advice of our township attorney

2247
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,440
was to get closer to that before

2248
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:00,719
extending it because um we don't want to

2249
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:04,400
be perceived as just blocking that use.

2250
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:07,520
um that it's best to kind of live live

2251
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,320
that time frame out and and have the

2252
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:11,600
next one start.

2253
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,199
>> Okay. So, it will be

2254
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:16,880
>> that'll be you're uh putting that on

2255
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:18,159
your calendar.

2256
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:20,480
>> Yes. Yes. We've already sent it to the

2257
01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:23,280
township board to the clerk clerk's

2258
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,199
assistant. They're aware of it. We've

2259
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:27,520
already had emails with our township.

2260
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,239
>> Okay. So, that would show up then on an

2261
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,080
agenda item for the planning commission

2262
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:32,560
in the

2263
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:34,400
>> No, no. You as a planning commission

2264
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:36,320
have already recommended one to the

2265
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,560
township board, so we don't need to do

2266
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:39,360
it again.

2267
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:40,880
>> So you're saying the current goes to

2268
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:41,600
October,

2269
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:42,080
>> correct?

2270
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:43,840
>> And then we've already recommended the

2271
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,520
extension after the

2272
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,280
>> correct. And we didn't need to recommend

2273
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,760
it anyway. The board would do it, but

2274
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:50,560
yes,

2275
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,480
>> it's already um

2276
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:56,480
>> All right. So that's So we're one we're one recommendation out

2277
01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:57,840
already, so we're good.

2278
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:58,239
>> Yeah.

2279
01:43:58,239 --> 01:43:58,560
>> Okay.

2280
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,440
>> Yeah, we're good. And then as to the

2281
01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:02,000
land,

2282
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:03,440
>> I know this is, you know, it's

2283
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:04,480
important.

2284
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:06,320
>> It's very important and they're they're

2285
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,560
very aware. They're they're aware of

2286
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,960
that. Um

2287
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:15,510
the

2288
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,639
lot area, you did get a memo in your

2289
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:21,440
last packet about the land division act.

2290
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,320
So maybe if you'd like, I can email that

2291
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:28,480
to you guys again. um because

2292
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,080
Chairman Curtis, you weren't here at

2293
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,920
that meeting to discuss it. But that is

2294
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,920
something that we do need to get on top

2295
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:37,840
of, you know, before the end of the year

2296
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,119
since that land division act comes

2297
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:44,239
um into play starting at the end of

2298
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:45,920
March.

2299
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:47,760
So, we want to look at the implication

2300
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,840
of that and if there are changes to our

2301
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,119
zoning ordinance, we want to get those

2302
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:55,920
um adopted before them.

2303
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,280
Do we have any maybe this is a attorney

2304
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,920
question. Do we have any clear guidance

2305
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:06,000
from the state or or is this one of

2306
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,600
these things that needs to be litigated

2307
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:11,199
before we figure out what the actual

2308
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,320
we're allowed to do

2309
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:17,040
>> on the land division decreasing lot

2310
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,360
size?

2311
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,960
>> Yes. Are you are any of your clients,

2312
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,600
Ross, talking about the implications of

2313
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:31,920
the um the 10 splits? Um

2314
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,960
and when we did our analysis, it looks

2315
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,239
like with we have two acre minimums. So

2316
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:40,560
with 10 splits, there's probably the

2317
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:43,679
potential for one additional split than

2318
01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,400
the four that can happen. Now,

2319
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,159
>> if you're not ready to talk about that,

2320
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:49,600
that's fine.

2321
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,080
And as I'll yeah, I'll share that memo

2322
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,199
with you. We can look at Yeah,

2323
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,199
>> I think a lot of communities are really

2324
01:45:57,199 --> 01:45:59,119
working on the data center stuff right

2325
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:01,440
now and then we're going to be moving

2326
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:06,149
into the land division shortly after.

2327
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:07,679
» Let's go up here.

2328
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:11,199
>> I'm good. Mr. Mlean,

2329
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:13,199
>> I just want to thank everyone for their

2330
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,000
interests and efforts and attention to

2331
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,440
this matter and I think we're figuring

2332
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:21,760
this out for our community and

2333
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,679
appreciate what you're bringing to us.

2334
01:46:23,679 --> 01:46:28,080
And there was also a comment um of how

2335
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:29,920
we can

2336
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:31,600
better communicate maybe with Gaines

2337
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:33,360
Township and also potentially how we

2338
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,920
could advocate for the school board. Um

2339
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:36,960
Commissioner Clement, who's

2340
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:38,719
unfortunately absent today, is actually

2341
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:40,159
on the school board and might even be

2342
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:42,000
the reason he's absent because I think

2343
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,159
these meetings partially conflict with

2344
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:47,040
the schoolboard time. So um we we have a

2345
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,880
good connection there. The community is

2346
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,480
really well connected to the

2347
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:52,320
superintendent and leadership in the

2348
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,360
school too. So just wanted to reassure

2349
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,360
you that the lines of communication are

2350
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:04,149
open. Um and that's all

2351
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,000
» motion to

2352
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,239
hold on.

2353
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:09,840
>> Do we have any correspondence or staff

2354
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:12,320
updates?

2355
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,480
Uh, no, no updates, but we look forward

2356
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,400
to seeing you at the September 21st

2357
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,679
meeting. We have a public hearing for

2358
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:22,239
amending the contractor yard special

2359
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:27,440
land use to the north, the harder site.

2360
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:29,040
>> They want to build another accessory

2361
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:32,080
building. Um, and then we have the

2362
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:33,840
homebased business on that agenda as

2363
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,760
well.

2364
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:37,920
>> So, no meeting the first of the month.

2365
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:38,960
>> Labor Day of October.

2366
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:40,480
>> Labor Day.

2367
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:42,639
>> Oh. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. That was never

2368
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:44,960
even step.

2369
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,480
>> I will be out the 21st.

2370
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:49,760
>> You'll be out the 21st.

2371
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:57,189
Chairman Curtis, you as well.

2372
01:47:57,199 --> 01:47:58,800
hopefully everybody else will be

2373
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:04,629
here because we do need a hearing item.

2374
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:07,199
» Motion to

2375
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:10,400
support. Motion by visser uh support by

2376
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,639
Bradshaw. All those in favor say I.

2377
01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:13,040
>> I.

2378
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:20,939
>> All those opposed. Meeting a journ.

2379
01:48:20,949 --> 01:48:23,109
[laughter]

2380
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:26,834
I'm not going to

2381
01:48:26,844 --> 01:48:28,080
[cough and clears throat]

2382
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,159
>> You can keep that. You can keep it if

2383
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:31,119
you want.

2384
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:32,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I give it

2385
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:35,119
to you. I'll get a whole new one.

2386
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:38,239
>> I knew you I knew you were more

2387
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:39,760
like you just want to know what was

2388
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,320
going on. We send this like postcard or

2389
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,159
whatever in the mail that says

2390
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,800
>> you're affected by this.

2391
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,280
>> Yeah. I guess my concern more than

2392
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:51,920
anything is that good healthy

2393
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,239
communities are communities for all

2394
01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:54,800
ages.

2395
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:58,950
>> Well, we

2396
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,440
exactly we all can't

2397
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:04,080
>> I mean I wanted you to have it that

2398
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:08,400
information is typically available on

2399
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:12,719
that citizen's going to go look.

2400
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:14,960
>> You'd have to find her. But I had a good

2401
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:16,960
career and I lived to go and

2402
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,679
>> it's not nec