1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Is Tim coming? >> I believe so. 2 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,040 » There he is. Are you going to have a pen by any 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,560 chance? >> I do not. 4 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:26,280 » Well, I got it. I found it. So excited. 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,800 » You found something really good? >> Yeah, look at that thing. 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,880 » Oh, the blue one? >> Yeah. 7 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:38,040 My kids keep stealing my pens, so I got a 20 pack. Still have three left 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,360 Can I have Can I have two of them? >> Did you all buy them at the store? 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,600 » No. >> Or you just went to the 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,520 » I went to >> the county 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:51,400 » Amazon Basics. They get delivered with The county's got a supply 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,880 cabinet. >> You can go. 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,720 » I may need some of that sleep aid stuff. 14 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,200 » I remember a retiree telling me once for the first time in my life I had a gold 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,200 side. And 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,960 » Yeah. >> You know, I just used to I'm being free. 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,360 It's not free. >> had the odd stuff. It it it was like I 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,200 was asking somebody I didn't know. I was 19 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:16,600 like, "Ask Denise how much talk to her and say my office has six 20 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:19,760 reams of paper and all our ribbons I was like, "This is awesome." 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,640 » Yeah, governments are weird. >> Kleenex was not free. You can't get your 22 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:28,480 own. But the county provides Kleenex, so 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:38,840 We eliminated personal office trash cans, so we had to 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,520 go out to like a central place. >> They are? 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,720 » They did. >> Oh. 26 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,960 » Years ago. >> Oh. 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,880 » Jeez. Now, like so I went and bought my own. 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,320 » Mhm. >> I'm going to throw it here and then I'll 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,320 go down I'm not going to 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,000 one piece of paper. 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:02,000 » All right, gang's all here. It is up the hour. I'm Trustees to order. This is our 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,000 regular meeting of Wednesday, August 19th. 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,000 Item one is roll call and I will call the roll. Mr. Snowink is absent with 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,200 notice. Mr. Hermanet? >> Here. 35 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:11,040 » Mr. Bradshaw? >> Here. 36 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:12,880 » Harrison is here. Ms. Henry? >> Here. 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 » Mr. Zoller? >> Here. 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,200 » Mr. Robertson? >> Here. 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,959 » We have a quorum. Item two is pledge of allegiance and invocation. Please stand. 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:31,080 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 41 00:02:27,959 --> 00:02:36,640 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 42 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:40,120 justice for all. >> We are thankful this evening for the 43 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:43,640 opportunity and honor of being here to represent our friends and neighbors. We 44 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,160 ask that you guide our work. Help us to do well. 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,120 Help us to do the will of those who sent us here and do your will. We give thanks 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,520 for those who protect us while we're here, those in the police and fire and 47 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,280 military. We ask that you give them your protection and comfort to their 48 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,560 families. We ask this all in your name. Amen. 49 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Item three, consideration of the meeting agenda. Board members have received your 50 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:14,160 agenda and reviewed it and its contents. Are there any additions, deletions, 51 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,160 clarifications? 52 00:03:15,519 --> 00:03:19,480 Seeing and hearing none. Item four or 53 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,400 » We need a motion. >> Motion. 54 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:26,440 » Support. >> Motion and support to approve. All in 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,880 favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. Item four is public comment. This is an 56 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,560 opportunity to address the board for up to two minutes. Does anyone wish to do 57 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:35,280 so? >> Yes, ma'am. 58 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:38,239 » Welcome. Could you state your name and where you 59 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:43,320 reside? >> My name is Angela Reefer and I reside 60 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,040 off of 76th Street. Um 61 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,360 Do you need a specific address? Okay. >> sufficient. Thank you. 62 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:55,520 » I'm just bringing before the board, I know you've seen it um on Caledonia 63 00:03:52,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Babble, the issue of the stop sign that I requested from uh 64 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:05,320 the road commission for a four-way stop, a roundabout, something to make that at 65 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:11,760 Cherry Valley and 76 safer for those of us that travel it. 66 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:15,000 Uh my husband owns a landscape company, Horner Warner, Klosterman's, there's 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:20,519 tons of them and they're trying to travel and go through that stop sign 68 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:25,840 with large equipment behind them. And it's limited sight distance. It's not 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:30,360 from brush, it's a hill on each side and people are flying down there. And there 70 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:34,200 have been accidents and the road commission 71 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:40,120 has denied and denied and says there has to be five injuries in a year's time for 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:44,800 us to even consider that and you're really telling me someone has to 73 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:49,320 get hurt before you consider it unsafe? So, I'm coming before the board to ask 74 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:54,080 for your help, your support. I will plan on going to their board meeting as 75 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:58,680 suggested as well. Um I don't know if I can go to next week's, but possibly the 76 00:04:55,840 --> 00:05:04,280 next one. And I want it on the books that it's being requested, it's being 77 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:09,120 asked for to be taken seriously. Um before somebody gets hurt. And if 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:14,280 somebody does get hurt, then it's on the books. We've asked for it. So, who then 79 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,200 would be accountable? >> Great. 80 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Couple things I would just encourage. One is there's both the county elected 81 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,720 board and then there's the appointed uh road commission board, so you could 82 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:28,160 probably make connections with both just to make sure everyone's hearing your 83 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,880 concerns. And uh one thing we can do is ask for an 84 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:36,120 updated traffic study. I know one of the reasons they gave for their denial or 85 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:39,520 lack of support was uh it doesn't have the traffic counts, so it's not just 86 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,240 accidents, which are obviously serious, but traffic counts. We can request 87 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,800 updated traffic counts. I'm not sure when the last time they counted. 88 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,880 Once things get back to normal, they probably wouldn't do it right now with 89 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,840 things being closed and >> Well, 90 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:56,760 the engineer that I've communicated with, I have all 91 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:02,000 that they said that they pulled it and there wasn't an accident there since 92 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:06,200 2022. An accident with injuries. And I have quoted multiple accidents. I live 93 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,880 right there. There was one a month ago. Airbags were deployed. They hauled off 94 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:13,000 the vehicle. There was one a month before that where it's all over 95 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,160 Caledonia babble and people are like that's a horrible place to try to cross 96 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:21,800 and so [clears throat] I tried to call Michigan State Police, 97 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:26,480 Kent County Sheriff. They all point me somewhere else to call to get these 98 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:32,240 numbers and I can't get them. I contacted Molenaar's office and they 99 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:36,680 gave me a couple places where I could go on the federal level to try to get some 100 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:41,880 support. I hope to not have to go to that point, but I now have numbers I can 101 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:46,720 at least try to call. Um, my voice isn't going to go away on this. 102 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:51,320 This affects I have my family, my son lives next door. I have friends all 103 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:55,680 around there, the farmers, all of us. We're concerned and so my voice isn't 104 00:06:53,680 --> 00:07:00,280 going to go away just because I don't get the answers that I'm looking for. 105 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:05,680 » And again, just for clarity, we don't have jurisdiction or discretion. We can 106 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:09,680 help raise your voice and amplify it. Uh, but whether it's stop signs or speed 107 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:15,320 limits, which we often hear about, they are the deciding agency. So, we can work 108 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,880 with you, but we can't say you're right. >> that. 109 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:21,240 » Well, let's get her done. So, thanks. >> Thank you. 110 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:24,120 » Yep. Any other public comment? Hi, welcome. 111 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:29,520 » Thank you. My name is Susan DeNues, 7701 92nd 112 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Street, Caledonia. During the June 15th Planning Commission 113 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:38,640 meeting, public comments included a request to 114 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:42,440 extend the data center moratorium for an additional year to study the 115 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:46,440 effects of data centers on the community. 116 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:53,200 The planning commission unanimously passed a motion to recommend a 3-month 117 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:57,680 moratorium from the October 17th date with additional 3-month increments as 118 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:02,760 needed. You the township board is then obligated 119 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:06,560 to take up the matter in a timely fashion. 120 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:11,080 I was hoping to find that 3-month extension on the agenda tonight. 121 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,160 The October deadline is fast approaching. 122 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:17,919 The planning commission continued their discussion of the data center proposal 123 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:22,840 Monday night. However, by their own admission, there 124 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:26,960 was still a great deal to discuss and research. 125 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:32,200 Obviously, a well-developed proposal is essential to the health of our community 126 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,960 and time is needed to accomplish the work. [clears throat] 127 00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:40,560 The planning commissioners said it themselves that we must get this right. 128 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:44,400 A minimum of a 3-month extension to the moratorium is needed with additional 129 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,960 3-month increments as needed, too. 130 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:52,240 Thank you. >> Sure. Thank you. 131 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:58,160 Again, just quickly, one, I agree with you. We're following legal counsel's uh 132 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:01,960 uh advice as far as when we do that. And I would anticipate that it's likely we 133 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:07,080 will do that uh at our September meeting. So, uh 134 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:11,320 » I hope if you know, I hope so because um time's ticking 135 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:15,080 and um the October >> Yeah, I don't think you'll see a lapse. 136 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:19,920 Given the status of the work, I think it's justified and we can legally defend 137 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:24,080 it. Yeah, we've seen challenges to moratoriums already popping up in other 138 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,160 communities, or at least one. Like some had a moratorium and a 139 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:31,080 data center developer is now challenging it in the courts. So, we want to make 140 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,040 sure we're not vulnerable and that we can defend it. So. 141 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,800 » Well, I think it's easily defended because there's a lot of work to be 142 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,240 done. >> I agree. 143 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:43,720 I I agree. So, >> just uh let's work together and do it 144 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,520 responsibly and defensively, and I think we will get there. 145 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:51,640 All right. Thank you. All right. Other public comment? 146 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,920 Thank you. We will close public comment. 147 00:09:55,680 --> 00:10:00,600 Item five, inquiry of conflict of interest. Board members having approved 148 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:06,040 tonight's agenda and reviewed its items, does anyone have an interest in any of 149 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,040 the listed items to declare? 150 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,360 Seeing none. Item six is approval of the consent 151 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,720 agenda. Admittedly, there are a number of items in here that I hope uh would 152 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,400 have broad board support, but any of them can be removed for further 153 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:21,800 discussion or clarification, or they can be 154 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:26,040 uh approved together. So, what is the will of the board? Anyone wishing to 155 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,400 remove any of these items? >> Motion to approve. 156 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,600 » Support. >> Moved by Zoller, supported by Hermanat, 157 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,520 that we approve the consent agenda. All in favor, please say I. 158 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,000 » I. >> Opposed, say no. 159 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Just for the community that may be paying attention to at least some of the 160 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:45,120 backroom issues, there are two items on the consent agenda. One is uh 161 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:50,640 our township manager has left us, so there is going to be a replacement 162 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:54,120 process uh to determine how process will go about. And also an 163 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,760 interim reverting most of those duties back to 164 00:10:55,680 --> 00:11:02,400 the supervisor, uh who doesn't necessarily want them, but it is those 165 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:05,440 duties are uh typically within the supervisor's 166 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,160 jurisdiction in the absence of a manager, so they're delegated to them. 167 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:12,360 So, in the absence uh many of those will be coming back to the 168 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,080 supervisor until we are able to make that replacement. 169 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Uh With that, we do have a number of things 170 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:23,000 listed under reports of board officers, committees, and staff for your review. 171 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,480 Uh we also have correspondence from the Grand Valley Metro Council thanking us 172 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,800 for our >> I'm sorry. I need to interrupt you. 173 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:31,000 » You want a roll call vote? >> A roll call just because we have a 174 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,240 resolution on >> Okay, Mr. Hermanat, on the items listed 175 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,480 in the uh consent agenda, how do you vote? 176 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,880 » Yes. >> Mr. Bradshaw. 177 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,640 » Yes. >> Harrison is yes. Ms. Henry. 178 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,680 » Yes. >> Mr. Zoller. 179 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,920 » Yes. >> And Mr. Robertson. 180 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,560 » Aye. >> And that those items will all be 181 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,680 recorded as being approved unanimously by the board. 182 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,680 » Thank you. 183 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,760 » Uh item nine is a resolution I'm sorry, unfinished business. Item one is a 184 00:11:54,040 --> 00:12:00,040 resolution to approve access and grant permit for use of township right-of-way. 185 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:04,480 This is a application by Surf Air Wireless LLC. Uh 186 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,320 we are bringing actually two of these uh 187 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:12,800 for tonight and we've had some assistance from the township engineer, 188 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:17,200 township staff, but I'm going to defer to our 189 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:21,320 resident engineer on the board, Mr. Bradshaw. I know you've monitored some 190 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,800 of the back and forth from the staff as far as what are the 191 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:29,240 we can't say no, but we that we can say yes with conditions. I think would be an 192 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:33,400 easy way of explaining this and one of those conditions we are reviewing is 193 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:36,839 what type of performance uh 194 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:42,400 requirements and uh protections as far as bonds we should require. Uh so, that 195 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:48,360 is uh part of our review. Mr. Bradshaw. >> Sure. So, there's two draft resolutions 196 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:54,160 in the packet. One is called bilateral and one is unilateral. I would recommend 197 00:12:51,040 --> 00:13:00,040 that we Well, I guess this isn't an action recommendation, 198 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:04,000 just my personal review. Um there's one for just 5 years and that's the one that 199 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:08,720 I think we should go with. The other basically approves their 200 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,960 um ability to work in the right-of-way for 15 years and just knowing that this 201 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:16,520 company has had some challenges in other 202 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:20,600 locations in our area, I think uh the potential to see this every 5 years is a 203 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:27,320 good thing for checks and balances. Um 204 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:33,680 I also understand from the resolution and Metro Act sheet that 205 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,680 um 206 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,640 So, there's a difference. In my previous work, uh 207 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,560 I was the administrator of the right-of-way. We 208 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:47,680 are just giving them the ability to locate in the right-of-way, and then the 209 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:51,360 details of where that is going to go actually gets worked out in a additional 210 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:56,920 permitting process with the road commission. So, while I think these maps 211 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:00,520 are pretty terrible, I think that they meet the basic first step, 212 00:13:59,064 --> 00:14:04,320 [clears throat] and I'm okay with approving them. 213 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:09,000 Um but, the road commission, once they get them, hopefully much better maps, 214 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:12,560 needs to take a closer look because there's lines all over the place that 215 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:17,840 are still not within rights-of-way and are all over our private property, but 216 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:22,280 it's the general intent is how it's described in the act of where they want 217 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:27,400 to put the lines, and then tighter plans will be available later. So. 218 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:33,960 For all of those reasons, I would make a motion that we 219 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:37,120 approve the unilateral permit for 5 years. 220 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,080 » And with a performance bond of 1.4 million dollars is recommended. 221 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,120 » Yes. >> All right. 222 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:47,600 In support, moved by Bradshaw, supported by Armanet, to approve the unilateral 223 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:52,560 permit for 5-year term with a 1.4 million dollar performance bond. 224 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Question, and not to put Stephanie on the spot, but we do have Stephanie 225 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,960 Skidmore here who has been working with legal counsel. Are we able to recover 226 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,560 the cost of getting to this approval point? Do you 227 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,000 know? >> Um the application fee was $500. 228 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,920 » Got you. >> So, it will cover a portion of our 229 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,200 costs, but not all of our >> Okay. 230 00:15:10,839 --> 00:15:15,240 Thank you for that. Okay, with that as an understanding, is 231 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,560 there any public comment on this issue of approving our right-of-way permit? 232 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Seeing none, uh 233 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,960 all in favor? Or is it I will call Mr. Robertson. 234 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:30,920 » Um there are two resolutions. Do we have to 235 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:35,240 take the first resolution up and deny it, and then the second? Cuz we're only 236 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,120 Or are we just skipping? >> I think we're skipping it and the 237 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,880 motion was to approve the the unilateral. 238 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,000 » Thank you. >> Yes, correct. 239 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:49,280 » All right. So >> before us is the unilateral permit by 240 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:53,560 resolution to approve the right of way for 5-year term with a $1.4 million 241 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,800 bond. I will call the roll. Mr. Hermenet? 242 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:55,800 » Yes. >> Bradshaw? 243 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,520 » Yes. >> Harrison is yes. Henry? 244 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,480 » Yes. >> Zoller? 245 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,960 » Yes. >> Robertson? 246 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:04,080 » I. >> All right. 247 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Thank you, board members. M10B, this is a resolution to approve access grant 248 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:11,240 permit township right of way. Oh, sorry. Those are two listed and we will just 249 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,440 skip over those. I think that's what Dick was asking. Now I understand. Thank 250 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,440 you. Uh 9C is an ordinance. This is under 251 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,840 second read, so final read. This is to amend the zoning ordinance of the 252 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:26,960 Charter Township of Caledonia regarding the keeping of pets and livestock and uh 253 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:31,520 various architectural standards. We did have a brief report from our planning 254 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:35,839 commission member at the last one. Do you want to add anything or remind us of 255 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:39,760 anything before we consider this? >> No, I if there's questions, I can do my 256 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,960 best to answer them, but >> Okay. 257 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:46,720 Again, this is this a ongoing and periodic update of ordinances as we see 258 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:51,120 the need and so this will make those changes and they will become 259 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:57,200 uh part of our standing ordinances upon approval. Is there any public comment? 260 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,280 Seeing none. Uh 261 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,360 I will call the roll. Mr. Hermenet? >> Yes. 262 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,080 » Bradshaw? >> Yes. 263 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,199 » Oh, actually I need a motion. >> Okay. Motion to approve. Second. 264 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,680 » Zoller will second. Zoller will second by Bradshaw. Mr. Hermenet, how do you 265 00:17:08,439 --> 00:17:09,520 vote? >> Yes. 266 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:11,640 » Yes. >> Bradshaw, Harrison is yes. Miss Henry? 267 00:17:11,199 --> 00:17:12,760 » Yes. >> Mr. Zoller? 268 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,800 » Yes. >> And Mr. Robertson? 269 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,120 » I. >> All All 270 00:17:16,199 --> 00:17:21,199 10A is a motion to approve the renewal of the Guardian Insurance employee 271 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,839 dental, vision, life, and accidental death and dismemberment policies for the 272 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:29,560 plan year of October 1, 2026 through September 30th, 2027. 273 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:34,800 There's a memorandum explaining the cost of these, but this 274 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:37,680 is our employee um benefit package. Uh 275 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:42,280 it maintains our current providers, which uh and benefit levels and 276 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:45,960 contribution levels. There are some increases in the costs, 277 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:50,800 uh but staff uh are happy with the providers, so we are encouraging the 278 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:54,760 board to support uh the continued uh funding of these benefits through this 279 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:59,880 provider. Is there any questions? 280 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,880 Any discussion? 281 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:08,640 » Make a motion we approve. >> Moved by Henry. Is there support? 282 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:14,960 » I will support. >> Uh any any discussion? 283 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,960 Any public comment? 284 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,760 All in favor of renewal of Guardian employee dental, vision, life, and 285 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,760 accidental death and dismemberment, please say I. 286 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,120 » I. >> Any opposed, say no. 287 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:30,760 And that has been approved. Item 10B, this is a resolution to again 288 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:35,600 approve access and grant permit use for the township right-of-way. This is for 289 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,880 Peninsula Fiber Network, LLC. Uh 290 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:41,640 it's a unilateral permit and a performance bond has been recommended of 291 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,440 $850,000. Uh again, Mr. Bradshaw, anything 292 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:49,600 additional or different from the one as far as the provider, what's been 293 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,880 provided to us as far as mapping? Uh is this one ready for our 294 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:57,080 consideration and approval? >> Yes, in my opinion it is ready and these 295 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:03,200 maps are much more indicative of what I would call a good submittal. So, nice 296 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:07,880 job to their drawing department. >> All right. 297 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:13,200 » I will just point out that on the back of the resolution exhibit B, the bond 298 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:16,680 says not required. On this agreement. 299 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,200 » We removed that. >> We are requiring 300 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:25,080 a bond. >> Yes. We crossed the line uh 301 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:30,360 » It's on the very back page exhibit B. >> Okay. 302 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,360 Let's do this. 303 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,240 So that the record is clear. Um 304 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,920 I don't believe we had a motion. Remind me if we had one. 305 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:45,440 » I don't think we had a motion. >> Okay. I make a motion that we amend 306 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:51,840 uh the right-of-way permit uh exhibit B to 307 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:55,960 say a bond in the amount of $850,000 performance bond in the amount of 308 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,960 $850,000 will be required. >> Support. 309 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:04,880 » Okay. Moved by Harrison, supported by Bradshaw that we amend the permit to 310 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:07,840 require an $850,000 performance bond. Any discussion? 311 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,280 All in favor of the amendment, please say I. 312 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,360 » I. >> Any opposed, say no. 313 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:16,600 You now have before us the amended permit and we can discuss that. Is there 314 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,600 any thoughts, comments on that or a motion to approve? 315 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,440 » I make a motion we approve. >> Support. 316 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:28,920 » Moved by Hermanet, supported by Bradshaw that we approve the permit. Uh 317 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:29,560 All in favor, please say I. >> I. 318 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,560 » I. >> Any opposed, say no. And we have 319 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,600 approved the permit. >> That was a resolution. Do you have to do 320 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,920 a roll call? >> Mr. Bradshaw, how do you vote? 321 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,720 » Yes. >> Mr. Zoller, how do you vote? 322 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,400 » Yes. >> Mr. Ms. Henry? 323 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,600 » Yes. >> Mr. Robertson? 324 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:42,960 » Yes. >> Mr. Hermanet? 325 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,240 » Yes. >> All right. So I'll be last for once. 326 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,360 » You forgot yourself. >> Mr. Harrison votes yes. Thank you. 327 00:20:49,099 --> 00:20:54,320 » [clears throat] >> Should just do it the right way. 328 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:59,120 All right. That concludes our business agenda items. Item 11 is public comment 329 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,720 extended. Anyone wishing to make public comment? 330 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,560 Again, welcome. State who you are, where you reside, and the 331 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:13,560 floor is yours. >> I'm still Susan the mean. 332 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:16,880 And I still live 7701 92nd Street, Caledonia. 333 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,720 Thank you. I'm here to request 334 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,240 » Could you set it even in front of you? I just want to make sure that it's 335 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,600 captured for those who might view these after the fact. I can hear you, but it'd 336 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,240 be nice. I know it's >> Is that better? 337 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,160 » Our audio keeps dropping out on some of our 338 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:35,320 » Thank you. I'm here to request the Township board to adopt a formal 339 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:41,320 resolution committing to a full and timely update 340 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:46,840 of the Township master plan with full community participation. 341 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:54,680 The current master plan relies on outdated data, including demographic 342 00:21:49,720 --> 00:22:00,320 input dating back to 1999 estimates. The most recent community survey survey 343 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:06,520 for master planning was completed in 2006 with a small fraction of the 344 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:13,240 Caledonia residents consulted. The Township's 2024 master plan review 345 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:18,200 did not meet the spirit or purpose of the Michigan Planning Enabling Act 346 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:23,200 requirements as it focused almost exclusively on a small sub area of 347 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:28,680 Caledonia. While the master plan Wait for this. 348 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:34,120 While the master plan is being updated with full community participation 349 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:41,040 and the effects of data centers on our community are scrutinized, I also 350 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:45,440 propose a one-year moratorium on any data center applications or 351 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:50,840 constructions. Thank you. >> Thank you. 352 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,840 All right. Additional public comment? 353 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,920 All right. Welcome. 354 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:04,880 » All right. Deb Steketee on Valhalla Drive. Um couple of points that I'd like 355 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:08,160 to make uh today. Uh one is I think it's Dr. Robertson, 356 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,120 right? Which I appreciate the use of the 357 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:16,280 honorifics and he worked hard to have that uh Dr. 358 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,960 beside his name. Um 359 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:24,640 the website today did not include the full packet of the board materials. I 360 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,640 know in the past it's typically common and I don't know if this is a new 361 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,600 approach or was this an oversight or some other thing that was happening 362 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:36,040 there. So 363 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,960 » Go ahead. I'll respond. I actually will respond but use your time and then I'll 364 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,400 respond to >> All right. 365 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,840 I appreciate it. >> Yep. 366 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:46,360 » Um the final point that I want to talk about is uh 367 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,760 an important one I think in that there have been many citizens who have been 368 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:55,560 coming to the planning commission who are really engaged in the whole 369 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:59,000 discussion about data centers and and are taking a lot of time and effort to 370 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:04,520 review the the uh draft ordinance, give input that 371 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,840 we think are very uh valuable. 372 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:12,320 However, um the planning commission under the 373 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,720 direction of the current chair, um will not provide answers to our 374 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:21,200 questions um at those meetings and I think all of 375 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,720 us would be very willing to give up a portion of our public comment time, 376 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,000 what 5 minutes can do, 377 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:34,160 uh because some of our questions are very simple to answer. But there is a 378 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:38,720 reluctance um if I'll I'll use reluctance uh to not 379 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:44,760 answer those questions when they are asked. So what we'd like to have is this 380 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:49,960 board to convene a public workshop where citizens can come and get answers to 381 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:55,320 their questions if we can't do it at the meetings. That would be preferable. Um 382 00:24:52,360 --> 00:25:00,160 but if not, let's host a public workshop. These are happening in other 383 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:05,560 communities where people can exchange ideas and comments. Um we think that 384 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:13,200 would be a very productive way to get the best result for our township in this 385 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:16,480 this matter. So, I'd like to encourage a discussion with the chair of the 386 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,000 planning commission. It doesn't have to be that way. When I was on the planning 387 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:24,120 commission for Caledonia, it was not that way. I can assure you. Um 388 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:28,400 but given that uh 389 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:32,320 absence, a public workshop would be great or maybe both. So, thank you. 390 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:36,920 » Sure. Thank you. And I can and will respond to both. Um 391 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,640 the board materials, we've temporarily suspended that. Uh 392 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,320 we have found the township's been targeted, I don't know specifically, but 393 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:49,640 it certainly have been targeted by what I would call fraudsters. Uh we've had 394 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:54,120 fraudulent checks written against uh our accounts because we believe they're 395 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,640 gaining this information from for lack of a better word, our 396 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:02,000 over-transparency. We're we're publishing things on our uh website, 397 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:05,240 full board packets, and they will go in and glean like who we do our banking 398 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:11,160 with and try to present themselves as representing the bank. We also uh 399 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:16,880 have found a recent application to the planning commission receive an email. 400 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:20,520 Apparently or the appearance was from the chair of the planning commission 401 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,080 saying, "We need an extra $3,500 in order for us to consider your 402 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,480 application. Here's the way you deposit it." And we 403 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,840 believe they gained that, the name of the applica- the applicant, the name of 404 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:36,040 the planning commission chair. So, we have suspended, not canceled, uh 405 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:40,040 publishing that information cuz it's sent to planning commissioners and board 406 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:44,360 members in one form. And so, we now need to probably create a secondary form, and 407 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:49,160 that will require additional staff time review and the process for doing that. 408 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,880 So, I think we'll return. In the meantime, anything you if you see that 409 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:58,080 looks interesting, what is it? With apologies for the intro, contact 410 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,680 staff and it will be emailed to you directly. 411 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,760 Uh >> Okay. 412 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,520 » We just can't have it out there. Whether it's AI or just more fraud, you 413 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,200 know, if it's available on the web, it's being 414 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,560 not used for good 415 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,480 » I understand >> neighbors. It's bad intent. 416 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,600 » Okay. And and I would just like to add that we are not the only jurisdiction 417 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,160 going through this. It's happening. >> That's unfortunate, but I appreciate you 418 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:25,080 know, the circumstances. >> And as far as the workshop, I support 419 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:28,800 it. It will happen if not at the And I will say, you know, I believe Monday was 420 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,720 the first time we all actually got to see a first take at even a draft 421 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:37,800 ordinance, which I admit is incomplete with what was presented, but 422 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,600 even in the expanse of what will be necessary. So, it'll be incremental, 423 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:48,120 evolving, ongoing. Uh so, in the community one, uh 424 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,160 will be engaged and I will commit to a formal at some point. Let's all come 425 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:55,400 together, but let's have something to talk about rather than just we hate them 426 00:27:53,480 --> 00:28:00,120 and why do we I mean, we I want to talk the substance of it. Uh and we're I 427 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:05,080 think we're getting there with a discussion document and draft. Uh the 428 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:07,960 board also uh will have as you saw tonight, there's two readings of things, 429 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,320 so we have plenty of opportunities and we'll 430 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:16,240 formalize and focus those opportunities as well when it comes to data centers, 431 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:20,280 but it's ongoing and I would say every member of the community at any point, if 432 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:25,120 they have something they want share. I've had people reach out on the sound 433 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:30,200 issues, the heat sink issues. Uh I've had a number of 434 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:33,440 uh people suggest workshops and reports that I've uh 435 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:37,600 accessed that have been helpful to me as I prepare when we get our turn at it. 436 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,080 So, I think uh you don't have to wait to be invited. 437 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,840 You don't have to wait for a workshop. Uh it's ongoing. And then finally, know 438 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,800 that the community is engaged because every member of the planning commission 439 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,840 is a community member, every member of this board is a community member, and 440 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,200 they're a public meeting, so you're welcome to be there as well. Uh 441 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,200 I think you'll notice I'm not running the timer anymore. 442 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,320 » Mhm. >> Uh 443 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400 » That's great. >> Uh 444 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:04,360 It's so I >> That's how it should be. 445 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,440 » if there was 400 people here, >> Understood. 446 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:11,080 » and if I felt people were coming here just because it's their hobby to yell at 447 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:16,960 us, that's different, but if I'm seeing constructive uh give and take, 448 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:21,840 I think uh it is constructive to to be more flexible and and a 449 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,760 » I think that's, you know, my experience on the planning commission, that's how 450 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,440 we approached it, and we had a better result as a result of it. 451 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:33,040 » Yeah. >> You know, the the down-to-the-second 452 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:35,920 approach that's being used um from 453 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,840 and I would say all the people that have come to the 454 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:45,400 planning commission where I have been in attendance have been providing really 455 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:50,760 valuable information, and I'll give you an example of the other night, which was 456 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:56,800 I brought um and I know you were at a meeting that I was at where a uh model 457 00:29:54,520 --> 00:30:02,840 ordinance was um alluded to. I looked it up. 458 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:06,360 Four and a half pages of noise guidance in an ordinance. 459 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:11,080 And so I brought that. I presented it to the to the planning commission. I had 460 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,080 one question of the lawyer that was there, which I think is a great idea to 461 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,880 have that lawyer at the planning commission. 462 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:23,840 Um I asked him uh what kind of um 463 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:27,600 uh consultant or input he was getting for the development of the noise 464 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,560 ordinance that we were having. He would not answer the question. He 465 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:35,440 looked to the chair, and the chair said, "We don't answer 466 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,920 questions. It's not a public hearing." So, 467 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,360 you know, our taxpayers are paying for the attorney. 468 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,160 » Sure. >> It's reasonable to ask that kind of a 469 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,440 question. >> Yep. 470 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,440 » Um >> You've You've asked it and I'll try to 471 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,440 find you an answer. How's that? >> Terrific. 472 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,920 » Having said that, we could probably give you an answer but 473 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:58,080 not defend it in the sense that I'm not a sound expert. Uh so, it'd be nice to 474 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,560 know if we're using the right experts, right? I mean 475 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,080 » It's a >> Is decibels the right way or the full 476 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,160 spectrum? I know the same as you're asking but uh 477 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:12,400 whether it's stop signs and speed limits or uh sound from data centers, we do 478 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,080 defer to experts. So, you have It'd be nice to be able to reference who they 479 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,120 are and we'll get you that answer. >> Okay. Great. Thank you. Well, I do 480 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,200 appreciate the way that that these meetings are running in in terms of 481 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,960 being able to get input. >> I have one request to all of you as you 482 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:29,760 engage and try to, you know, this 483 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:34,640 brush 1,800 brush fires, which is the number of townships we have, was started 484 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:39,760 by the state legislature, in my opinion, when they removed sales and use tax from 485 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,520 data centers. So, one that 486 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:46,320 hyper you know, that made us target number one 487 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,960 across the nation. They did it as an economic development. We've said in 488 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:54,760 Caledonia that we don't give tax breaks. Well, I see no So, as a conservative I'm 489 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,360 getting on my soapbox and don't tie me but you know, it was going to be in my 490 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,480 board accounts but I would My request to you is to ask them 491 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:06,960 to repeal that that tax break for a number of reasons. 492 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:10,520 One, it has put 1,800 ill-equipped townships 493 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,000 in the targets of trying to hurry up and get ahead of 494 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:17,560 what something we weren't expecting literally a year ago. It put everything 495 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:22,600 else on hold, parks and trails and, you know, even budgets. Uh so, it's it's 496 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,920 frustrating to to look at Lansing and say, "Thanks for nothing." Uh and I 497 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,880 think they had good intentions. It was maybe the only 498 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,960 bipartisan thing that this legislature has done uh 499 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:37,880 and it wasn't good. Uh the outcome wasn't good cuz it really They people 500 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,920 and I guess in the end of from a conservative standpoint 501 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,920 you're picking one industry to give tax breaks to. The farmer pays 502 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:49,320 his taxes, the you know, the hardware store in Caledonia pays their tax and 503 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:53,160 you're giving them a tax break. And these are some of the businesses 504 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:58,080 that, you know, have more commas in their balance sheet than any other, you 505 00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:01,520 know, business in the world and why they aren't paying their fair share 506 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,600 I don't think it's a good economic development strategy. So, that's my 507 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,560 soapbox, but it I do think it's a serious question. I do think we have an 508 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,320 opportunity. It's an election year. 509 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,240 Politicians' ears are open more in election years. 510 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:19,040 And tell both gubernatorial candidates lead with this. It's This is a real 511 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:23,760 issue that has thousands of citizens concerned. 512 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:27,640 And you can take you can throttle back some of the intensity. Give us the time 513 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:31,040 to do our work simply by eliminating the the tax 514 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,440 break that you just handed off. You know, and the numbers We have the 515 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,600 Citizens Research Council. I don't I don't know what But you were there as 516 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,560 well. The numbers are astounding that that 517 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:44,400 we're basically getting jammed, you know, that they're not contributing 518 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:49,120 towards the community. It's a big number what they are giving, but the relief 519 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:52,960 they're getting is indefensible in my opinion. So, they took that off some of 520 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:57,000 the intensity would go away. Frankly, some of the people who want to 521 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:59,240 build them, they go elsewhere. And so, uh 522 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,640 that And then the only other thing I would say from my work 523 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,880 even there one of the things Not all data centers are the same. I was 524 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,399 going to say not all data centers are bad and that's a debate that other 525 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:15,080 people can have on the internet, you know, ironically. Um 526 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:17,679 but we have a data center in Caledonia. >> We I'm sorry. 527 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:21,800 » We have a data center in Caledonia Township and it's been here for over a 528 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:27,840 decade with zero complaints and zero people sitting in Township Hall. 529 00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:32,960 And and so, they can be built on a scale which can be accommodated. It's I 530 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,520 and I'm not advocating that we keep build all these tiny ones or your 531 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:40,360 community of tiny ones, but I want to make sure that we are thoughtful and 532 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:46,040 say, "Yeah, they can be built if they don't create the bad stuff that 533 00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:48,200 we see on a large scale." So, that's where I hope to go that we don't take 534 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,600 this if it has a computer, you know, I'm sure 535 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,760 most of our the township has very small data center 536 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,440 in our server room, right? I mean, and then you just scale up. So, 537 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,160 » Yeah. It's 538 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,120 » That's where I'm at on the issue. This is dialogue. You know, there's no 539 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,680 timer. So, we'll continue to work on it. >> Yeah. All right. Well, we we really 540 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,120 appreciate it because as I conveyed yesterday, it's it's been very 541 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:20,600 discouraging for those of us who are coming with good intentions. And um 542 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:25,920 the control issue is a problem. And so, um but we're going to stick with it. 543 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:32,680 We've We do our homework. Um we have all spent many hours in many 544 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:39,480 different ways to get good information in a spirit of helping 545 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:44,080 us as a community have the outcome that we need to protect our 546 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,320 our way of life here. >> I'll make one observation here and then 547 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:53,240 I'd like to talk to you after meeting for a a different one. Uh 548 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:58,960 I think this issue went from you know, non-existent to white-hot and torch and 549 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:04,200 pitchfork, you know, mentality that it created a bit of 550 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:08,080 defensiveness when people are being yelled at. So, if 551 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,360 we can turn down the volume, turn down the 552 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:16,160 heat. I'm not saying you, but the the issue 553 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:20,440 understandably is intense. And when you're a citizen who's just You 554 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,760 didn't know when you signed up that you're going to have your friends and 555 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:30,800 neighbors yelling at you. It can create tension. It can create 556 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,800 defensiveness. And I'm trying here to 557 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,000 ease that. All right? 558 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,320 » Sure. >> So. 559 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:42,720 » All right. Thank you so much. That's in that gift you just 560 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:47,400 showed that additional moratorium 561 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,760 is vitally needed. >> Additional listening is needed. 562 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:55,720 » To be able to have the conversation >> I agree with you. 563 00:36:53,600 --> 00:37:02,160 I agree with you. I I'll say it the seventh different way. I agree with you. 564 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:07,080 It's likely to happen, but it would be irresponsible for me to promise it in 565 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:12,920 advance of the case being made because we'd be legally vulnerable. 566 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,920 Can you hear what I'm saying? 567 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,840 » Here's >> Okay. Okay. I mean 568 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:25,680 » Here's the issue because that particular case is a good one to look at 569 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:31,800 and why we have frustrations sometimes because our recommendation was passed 570 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,240 by the planning commission unanimously. >> Yep. 571 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,720 » It has to 572 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,360 to come to the board. >> Yep. 573 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:42,840 » It wasn't come to the board after we talked to the 574 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:47,160 attorney. It was to come to the board. And the board could have 575 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:50,800 that recommendation as a procedural manner. 576 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,440 And I don't know if Robert's Rules talks to it. 577 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,280 Could have come to you. You could have tabled it and say, "We need to look at 578 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,120 what the attorney has to say on it." >> But look at the level of 579 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,760 misunderstanding there are with what I'm trying to say. If it came to the board 580 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:08,800 and we said, "No, not now." Because 581 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:13,840 attorneys tell the citizens, "Look at you. You're not good listeners." 582 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,840 I 583 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:23,640 We will pass moratoriums as long as we need to do work. 584 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:28,280 We need to do work. so I think you can expect extensions to moratorium. To do 585 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,680 it just to give time to do work, you put in the cart before the horse. We said, 586 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:35,600 "Let's do it for a year. Maybe we need a year, maybe we don't." We've been told 587 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:39,560 that that is makes you vulnerable to a challenge. 588 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,040 And once it it's knocked down, the barn door is open and they can come 589 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:46,080 in. So, 590 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:49,360 » But, then the average we got 3-month possible extension. 591 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,840 » If there's ever a lapse in the moratorium, come with your 592 00:38:53,136 --> 00:38:57,400 » [clears throat] >> If there's ever a lapse in Caledonia's 593 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,240 moratorium before we complete our work, bring your torch and pitchfork and that 594 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:05,600 tell me, "You lied to me, Mr. Harris." But, we can't pass it tonight. 595 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,480 » we have pitchforks. I'm very concerned for my community. 596 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,280 » Okay. >> And that is not that's not fair when you 597 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,840 say it that way. I feel very 598 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:13,840 bad. 599 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:23,440 » It's our Caledonia community. We live here. We hear you. 600 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:28,520 » Yeah. Yeah. >> I don't believe that 601 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:33,560 as a community, I'm very respectful of the township, very respectful of the 602 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:36,240 planning commission's time. I get that. 603 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,920 We're not ready. >> Yep. 604 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,360 » We are far from ready to be able 605 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,600 » I agree. >> go up 606 00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:48,880 against these data centers because they come at you with some very experienced 607 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,680 attorneys that know the nuances 608 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,360 in language. >> Yep. 609 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,720 » And we are so far away from being prepared for that. 610 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,640 » So, let's not give them a angle to come at us from. The first 611 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:06,400 request, to be fair, was for a 1-year extension. 612 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,720 It's easy now to say, "Oh, we hear the attorney." 613 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:13,200 First request was for a 1-year and the attorney said, "Don't do it. That's 614 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,960 exactly what Wixom did and they now are in the courtroom rather than the 615 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:20,440 boardroom." So, 616 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:23,640 I'll say it Fine. That we're done. Ah. >> Time is ticking. 617 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,480 This is already August. >> Yeah. 618 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,760 » know where the summer went, but it's already August. 619 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:33,400 » Yeah. >> The end of the moratorium is October 620 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:38,640 17th. We only have a few weeks now to be able 621 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,560 to stem that, to be able to get all our ducks in a 622 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:47,160 row. >> This board meets twice in September, and 623 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,760 I would anticipate that we will answer the question of a moratorium, and I 624 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:55,600 would think that it would be to your liking. 625 00:40:53,040 --> 00:41:00,760 That's That's all I can say. I I'll talk to you in the parking lot 626 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:04,480 more explicitly if you'd like. Thank you. Uh is there any other board 627 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,800 comment? Public Public comment. 628 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,160 All right. Is there any board comment? Mr. Hermanet. 629 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:18,440 » Well, I like I like the direction that all of you ladies bring in what you're 630 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:22,120 saying. And I also like how you handle it back and respond. I think open 631 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,400 transparency of what we're all trying to do together. I don't think we're that 632 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,680 far off. I think we're trying to do things together for the community, and I 633 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,000 think uh I really appreciate that on both sides. 634 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,440 » All right. Mr. Branch. 635 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,160 » Uh I wanted to say thanks to the clerk for her great work on the Alaska 636 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:42,920 cemetery uh and using finding funds that were 637 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,640 underutilized that can only be used for that purpose. So, good creativity to 638 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:51,280 make our community better. Um real brief summary on the planning 639 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,880 commission discussion about data centers on Monday. 640 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:59,040 From what I recall, it's at least the second time um we've had the ordinance 641 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,720 in front of us, maybe the third, but there's so much going on with planning 642 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,400 commission, it's hard to remember how many times we've seen it. 643 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,880 Um it'll be coming back to the planning 644 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:13,200 commission for additional consideration at our September 21st meeting with 645 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:18,640 updates based on our discussion Monday. Um a lot of that discussion was focused 646 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:23,480 on noise setbacks, minimum acreage, whether it should be special land use or 647 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,400 not for all cases, and um basically the planning commission 648 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:32,160 thought yes, it should be a special land use for all cases, and we also 649 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:38,000 considered moving the minimum down to like 1 MW, which is still roughly the 650 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:42,680 equivalent of 200 homes as far as the power used. So, um the previous minimum 651 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:48,560 that was in the draft ordinance was 5 MW. 652 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:51,880 Um and I guess in my opinion, I do think the [clears throat] planning 653 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:57,080 commission and staff are listening. We're We're paying attention when people 654 00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:00,920 are at the podium. We admit that we are not the experts in data centers. We 655 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:05,040 appreciate that people are coming and giving us their opinions. We appreciate 656 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,000 that they're handing us documents that we can use and continue to craft the 657 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,280 ordinance. And I also feel like I needed to defend 658 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:16,240 the chair some because, you know, this room has six or seven people in it. The 659 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:23,240 data center meetings for the planning commission often have 25 or 30. And 660 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:27,600 we do our best work in about 2 hours. After that, everybody gets a little 661 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:31,240 tired and it's harder to function well. So, I think the chair is trying to make 662 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:35,160 sure that everybody is heard. There's a lot of people here. And then, the 663 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:40,440 planning commission needs to have time to react to that and do our actual work 664 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:44,080 in front of the public. So, it's a it's a delicate balance and um I just 665 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,080 wanted to provide a different perspective. 666 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:51,400 » Right. I'm going to say something similar to 667 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,200 what the conversation we had, but just a different observation. When it came to 668 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:58,360 the ordinance work, not the moratorium, but the actual substance of the 669 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,760 ordinance, I made a comment at a previous meeting. 670 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,760 Basically, I actually think this these are good things like building size, 671 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:08,760 setbacks. And as a result of these, what I think 672 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:13,920 are keeping in the community character of Caledonia, uh it will become less 673 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:18,160 likely that data centers come here. I was told by someone, 674 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:21,680 "Don't say things like that. Your Your purpose of passing ordinances is to 675 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,880 protect the community, not to make it so that data centers don't come here." 676 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,640 I may I have to be careful in what I say. I 677 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,280 can't say we're doing this to make a set of rules that they can't comply with 678 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:37,320 because then we attorneys will use that to beat us up 679 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,040 and maybe undo all of our good work and your good 680 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,760 work. Same with how you pass moratoriums. It's 681 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:49,120 not the passing of the moratoriums, it's how you do them. And so we're doing the 682 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:54,360 dance in the right step and choreography and I believe uh it will protect our 683 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:58,800 interests in what you would like to see. Um 684 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:04,000 On other issues, we had an election. Those whether it's a 685 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:08,320 one-issue election or it's president on down to us, you know, lowly township 686 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:13,240 folks, the same amount of work goes into setting up precincts and having precinct 687 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:18,120 workers, printing ballots, running tests on machine. And so we have a team that 688 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:21,800 does all that work, uh that makes sure that they're secure, 689 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,720 uh that you can count on the results, and that the results come out in time 690 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,560 for those who are paying attention to get them. So I wanted to thank our 691 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:32,400 elections team and all of our elections workers, 692 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:36,720 again, citizens of this community, uh our election workers, uh 693 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,160 for doing that work. Uh 694 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:44,440 Similarly, I want to thank Allison in her absence cuz I'm now 695 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:50,000 realizing all the day-to-day things that go into that job. Get a email last night 696 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:53,440 at 9:00 that there's a dripping pipe in the library. Uh 697 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,840 And so I called Greg. So I want to thank Greg 698 00:45:54,600 --> 00:46:00,360 for taking on the dripping pipe. Uh turns out the condensation from the air 699 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:06,320 conditioner and the pipe needs to be cleaned, but someone needs to do it. We 700 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:11,080 run a tight ship uh and we use vendors and so on, but uh 701 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,520 someone needs to answer that call and that was Allison and and Greg is helpful 702 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:19,200 on that. Want to thank him for that. Uh then I want to just 703 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:23,760 thank Stephanie, not just for the elections magic that she really does 704 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,840 making Joni works good, but lately her part-time job has been making 705 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:31,640 Brian look good or taking up a lot of the stuff that Allison does. So, if I 706 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:36,520 have questions the reason if you look at into your board back tonight on the 707 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:40,360 employee health care, the right of way, all the work that our uh 708 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:45,920 manager would have done is now being done in concert with Stephanie, our 709 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:50,160 deputy clerk, uh who has talents beyond just running safe and secure elections, 710 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:55,000 but uh helping us uh cover this interim as well. 711 00:46:52,840 --> 00:47:01,320 So, thank you especially to And here she is tonight cuz she knows how to make the 712 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:04,760 meetings be recorded. So, many hats uh worn well. Thank you for that. All 713 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:10,320 right. >> Yeah. Uh I also was going to point out 714 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:15,240 the election. Uh we had a whopping 34% turnout, which is 715 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:18,840 not much um for a primary, but again as uh you said Supervisor Harrison, that 716 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,000 the same amount of work goes into all of it. We have an awesome team. Um 717 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:27,680 from our staff here to the workers that show up and I'm just very, very grateful 718 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:31,440 to all of them. I also want to give a shout out to the fire department even 719 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:37,600 though none of them are here tonight um because we too had a leak um late at 720 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:41,840 night uh and um the guys the in the fire department came over and helped and took 721 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,360 care of it all and they were awesome. So, I'm very thankful for them. And we 722 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,080 are starting again in the next 2 weeks for the November election. So, we are 723 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,160 back at it again. >> Okay. Great. Well said. 724 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,840 » Mr. Ross. >> Up. Dr. Robertson. 725 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,760 » Sorry. Sorry. Um 726 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,680 You have used up all my soap blocks, Tom. 727 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,800 Um but I did I did want to extend the the 728 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,840 discussion a little bit on an issue that's concerned me. I've mentioned it a 729 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:12,880 couple of times at previous meeting and that's uh the follow-up on uh a comment 730 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:19,720 from from the public regarding the master plan and and kind of my concern 731 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:26,280 that this master plan has not been um updated as as required, let alone as 732 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:32,520 desired. Um and I did want to just kind of launch it with a response to the 733 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:36,480 email you sent, Brian, um about issues that you were concerned about and 734 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:41,640 you had looked back through the township records and then pointed out a number of 735 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:46,440 surveys um that have been done to gain community input on a number of issues 736 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:50,000 and then you concluded um with a statement, "It's important that our 737 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:54,000 discussions begin with a truthful and accurate understanding of our history 738 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:59,240 and the work that has already been completed." I entirely agree with that. 739 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:05,840 And to that end, I actually took it upon myself to look back at some of our 740 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:12,360 previous master plans. In fact, I have them right here. Um there are three, one 741 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:20,080 from 2000, one from 2015, and then one one dated 2024. 742 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:25,360 And I was trying to compare them to see, okay, as we've updated the master plan 743 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:30,800 over that time, you know, where where do we see the changes? What have been um 744 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:36,520 the improvements or the adjustments or whatever. And I was really having a very 745 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:41,440 difficult time going back through these three documents trying to figure out, 746 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:46,800 okay, what's different? What's new? And it dawned on me, they're all the same. 747 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:52,920 They're all almost identically the same. And I I won't spend a lot of time going 748 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:59,880 over it, but this is from the 2000 master plan and it talks about um 749 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,880 a um 750 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:06,760 a citizens advisory group which met periodically through the planning 751 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:12,640 process. Kind of the idea of the workshop, I guess, but that that met and 752 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:19,680 submitted uh you reviewed and and made input for the updated master plan. 753 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:26,040 If you look at the 2015 you'll see the exact same paragraph 754 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:29,160 talking about the citizens group. So, it would give you the impression that 755 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:34,080 there was another citizens group. No, they're still talking about the one from 756 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:39,920 2000. And then if you go to 24, you'll see the exact same paragraph again, 757 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:44,200 still referring to the 2000 the study that was done in 2000. And I could go 758 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:50,760 through a lot of these. I don't want to take time, but again from the 2000 759 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,200 document, yes, I could find several. I 760 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,920 I put little stickies and then I got tired of them. So, just another example, 761 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:03,320 it talks about the different land uses and it talked about industrial 762 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,760 land use. Where are the light industrial land uses? In 2000, it said the 763 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:14,040 Caledonia Township Industrial Park located just north of the village off 764 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:18,560 M-37 is the township's primary industrial site. That's this site right 765 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:24,320 here. That's the primary industrial site. That was in 2000. May have been 766 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:29,240 true, but if you look at 2015, says the same thing. That's the primary 767 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:33,360 industrial site. If you look at 2024, it says the same thing again. It's the 768 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:38,800 primary industrial site. So, I think I can give substance to my concern and 769 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:45,320 even though we've put dates on them, we haven't changed them. In fact, from 2015 770 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:51,880 to 24, I I cut it was a word-for-word cut and paste. That's all it was. And um 771 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:57,160 And so, I think it's true that the master plan has not been updated. And to 772 00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:01,400 follow up on that, I think the I was And so what? A lot of that stuff is the 773 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:06,000 same. If you go to the community and ask them, "Do you want to maintain rural 774 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,920 character?" 100% say yes to that. So, some of it would be the same and the 775 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:14,560 surveys, I think, would reflect that. But one of the reasons we need to do 776 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:19,400 this, um especially the demographics, it's a requirement of the zoning 777 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:24,400 enabling act, is that all of this stuff is supposed to be in there um 778 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,560 and updated. In fact, in there it it talks about you got to update the plan, 779 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,720 you know, it's Trouble is, most people let it sit on a 780 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:36,720 shelf. Well, we'd let it sit on the shelf for 10 years and then just copy 781 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:41,160 it. In fact, the one I found basically the only difference was 782 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:46,600 um the picture Well, if you look at this is 783 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:51,280 the picture of the 2015 master plan, you can't see it from over there, 784 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:55,840 but if I show you this one, it's the exact same picture. The only 785 00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:01,920 thing changed was the was the year. So, the only difference. And even from 2000 786 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:06,720 to 2000 15, almost all the text is identical. They used pie charts instead 787 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:12,000 of spreadsheets, but all the substance information is the same. So, under the 788 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:17,000 zoning enabling act, we have to follow certain criteria. One of them is a range 789 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,320 of housing types, cost, affordability, attainability, ages, and other 790 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:25,120 characteristics, um including single-family dwellings. 791 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:31,360 Well, the problem is it's all that demographic data dates back for almost 792 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:35,600 30 years. It's from the 1990 um census. And then there's supposed to 793 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,440 be things additional um 794 00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:43,160 assessment of communities' existing and forecasting housing demand strategies, 795 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:48,480 policies for addressing those demands. So, the point I'm making is that 796 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:54,400 the master plan is not up to date. And what was I think interesting as well 797 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:58,320 when I was kind of researching this on the 798 00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:02,960 on the website is I looked at the next section of the under the zoning enabling 799 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:07,240 act and it talked about sub plans. A planning commission may by a majority 800 00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:11,200 vote of members adopt a sub plan. That's what we did for 801 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:15,760 Rogers Road Farm. You know, we said there's a unique area there. You know, 802 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:21,440 we ought to look at that individually. I think that's a good idea for the area on 803 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:25,680 68th Street and Kraft and the Beltline. In fact, when we talked about our 804 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:29,720 strategic plan it's been almost a year ago now. I think it was Brian introduced 805 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:35,120 the idea of maybe we should be looking at that zoning because that's a unique 806 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:41,360 spot in the township and I don't think should we we should be stuck with data 807 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:46,520 and and and opinions that are decades old. And that is my comment. Thank you. 808 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:48,800 » All right. Thank you. All right. 809 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,120 » Move to adjourn. >> Support. 810 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:56,560 » All in favor of adjournment, please say I. I. If you oppose, say no. 811 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,560 We are adjourned.