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Good morning. Welcome to June 13th, utilities and corporate services. Today, we will have a quite a long agenda, and for my understanding, there will be a lot of speakers, so we'll have to move this along as best we can. On that, I would like confirmation of agenda. Thank you, all in favor? Your chair, I would like to add an item to the agenda.

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of course, Councillor Demogne. What would you like to add?

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This.

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Read at the top.

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It's the title at the top.

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Yeah. Proposed that acquisition, Great Plains, Ward 9.

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And that will be an in-camera item.

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That goes to the confidential items added as 10.2.1.

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As it pertains to land acquisition.

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Correct.

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Thank you.

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All in favor?

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Opposed?

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Thank you.

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No. Excellent. Confirmation of minutes, Councillor Demont.

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Yes, confirmation of minutes.

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Move.

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Moved. All in favor? Opposed?

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Great. Consent agenda. Any items pulled? No.

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Okay. Consent agenda, Councillor Keating.

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Yes.

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All in favor? Agreed. Opposed?

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Okay. Excellent. So we will be starting with 7.1.

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Climate, resiliency, strategy, and action plans.

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For my understanding, there are quite a few citizens that would like to talk to this.

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So the clerk says, put forward a list of people that, if you would like to talk,

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you have the opportunity for five minutes to give your perspective on this matter.

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She will put it forward at the desk there, feel free to come up and sign and then we'll call in that order.

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However, firstly, what we will do is have a presentation and when we come to the public hearing

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part, we do have members from the industry that would like to talk that we have said several

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letters and we've agreed that they would condense it down to three different members and give

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a presentation and then we can ask all the questions at one particular time to clear things

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up and speed it along, so we'll proceed with that.

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So in that note, we will start with the presentation, and if you'd like to introduce yourselves

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and proceed, please.

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Thank you.

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Good morning, Mr. Chair.

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Members of committee, colleagues, and guests, thank you very much for being here.

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My name is Christopher Collier, Director of Environment and Safety Management.

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I'm joined by my colleague Dick Ebersen, Manager of Climate Change and Environment, where

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please to present the Climate Change Brazilian Strategy and Action Plan.

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This report is the culmination of two years of research, collaboration with internal external stakeholders.

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It focuses on the actions the city of Calgary can take to enable businesses and

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the community to reduce emissions, reduce our risks due to a changing climate.

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And with that, Mr. Chair, as you mentioned, we do have a presentation that Mr.

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Eberson will rock us through.

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Thank you, please proceed.

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Thank you so much.

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And good morning once again.

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Through the chair, before I kick off, I would really like to thank the collaboration

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of all business units over the last two years here at the City of Calgary.

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To be specific, the 250 subject matter experts, managers and directors, that supported the

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process and provided input, analysis and recommendations for this strategy and action plans.

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I would also like to express my sincere thanks to industry stakeholders who provided advice

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and participated from the insurance industry to build Calgary, to NMax and Atco,

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to the

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even Alberta food processors, and that's just to name a few of the stakeholders that were actually involved in bringing this plan here today.

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The climate program was designed to build climate resilience and specifically supports the city's vision and 100 resilient cities framework.

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The program was established in 2017 as a commitment and approach to reducing climate risks and risk exposure as well as guiding the city toward a low carbon future.

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The five pillars represent that approach.

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We are here today to introduce the results of the plans and actions under the Climate Planning

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Pillar.

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As part of Action Plan 2015 to 2018, administration was directed to take action on climate change

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guided by the approved target of 80% reduction of greenhouse gas emissions by the year 2015

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and reduced risk exposure from severe weather events brought on by climatic changes.

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During 2016-17, in-depth research were conducted.

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Stakeholders provided evidence-based input

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to identify those areas of greatest impact,

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where the city could play a role in enabling industry

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and the community.

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The approval of the guiding principles

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for climate resilience that was done by council

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in March of this year created the final step

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in guiding the strategy and actions,

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which brings us to today.

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The main climate resilience actions

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are mitigation and adaptation.

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Medigation is about reducing greenhouse gas emissions through better energy management

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and supporting a low-carbon economy. Adaptation means managing risks to reduce the impacts

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of severe weather events on our operations and services while protecting calgarians.

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Medigation adaptation actions should be designed to be mutually beneficial. The city's role

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is to enable partners, industry, and the community to take action. In addition, the city can ensure

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that its own operations mitigate and adapt to climate change.

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So let's get into it.

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The Climate Mitigation Plan identifies the role of the city to enable industry and community

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to reduce their emissions, manage energy and energy costs and enable the low common economy,

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as mentioned before.

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How do we do it?

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The international and local target for greenhouse gas reduction is 80% reduction by 2050.

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You will see that in the gray line at the bottom.

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The

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next line shows the business as usual. Business as usual indicates that we will not

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meet this target. The drop in emissions in 2030 is when coal generated electricity will

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be eliminated from the grid bringing us in step with other jurisdictions in North America.

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This is scenario playing out in all cities around the globe. The path to get there is, however,

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different. Several scenarios were evaluated with input from an expert panel made up of local

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and international companies and institutions to guide calories path towards 2050.

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The recommended path to 2050 is a cost-neutral scenario where for every dollar spent,

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a dollar will be saved. The drop in emissions over time includes several actions taken by

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all stakeholders from the community industry, the city, and other levels of government.

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From improving home insulation as done through energy efficiency Alberta,

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to readying our city for electric vehicles in partnership with private companies.

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The city's role in these actions are illustrated in the mitigation action plan.

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The mitigation action plan contains five themes, 10 program areas and 69 main actions

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that the city can take to enable the community and industry to reduce their emissions and

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improve energy management.

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Sorry, from removing barriers for building energy efficiency to electric vehicle charging

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networks to supporting opportunities for natural infrastructure and investigating consumption waste,

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the mitigation actions are comprehensive and a starting point.

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Business units share in the actions to ensure implementation takes place.

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I would like to provide you with an example.

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Let's look at buildings and energy systems.

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Buildings in Cal are used a lot of energy.

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Improving the overall energy performance of buildings in Cal are

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will ensure reduction in operational costs, benefit from more comfortable and

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higher quality environments, reduce emissions, and support local job growth.

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Energy standards are not only for new but also for established buildings.

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The federal government are already indicating that a number of changes will be brought forward

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in new building codes specifically for higher efficiency in commercial and institutional

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buildings.

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Local distributed energy networks help decrease emissions, energy use and cost.

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Program examples for buildings and energy include energy performance standards in new and

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existing buildings, energy consumption information that you will also hear about more in the next

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report and neighbourhood scale renewable and low carbon energy systems.

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Now of course, as we said earlier, there are 69 actions. I would like to use one example

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to just illustrate how this can be done. In 2017, a new logistics and storage facility

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in Calgary had a proposal of a very large facility in Calgary, approximately 150,000 square feet.

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One about team members noticed the opportunity and worked with other partners in the city

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to advise the client of the opportunity to install large-scale solar power solar PV

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and possibly reduce their costs.

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A feasibility study was conducted which regarded and the result was an investment into solar

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PV on the facility.

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The specifications indicate that it would provide approximately 25% of the annual electricity

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demand.

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It is anticipated to reduce over 14,000 tons of greenhouse gas emissions over the life

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of the system which is 30 years.

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levelized car

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Out the incentive, the cost premium would have been approximately 5% and covered by electrical cost savings within three years. This just proves again that if we actually look at those opportunities, we could enable the community and they could actually save emissions and save costs. We use our role as an enabler to get this done. What's next? We are developing an approach to identify such opportunities in creating a standard feasibility study that will not slow down the process for these initiatives to come forward.

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Our action plan actually stipulates that the city will encourage the uptake of renewable

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low-carbon energy systems in Calgary by reducing barriers to implementation and support informed

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decision-making for investment.

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Let's move on to the Climate Adaptation Action Plan.

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The Climate Adaptation Action Plan identifies the actions business units will take to reduce

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the risks in the city's operations and services to Calgarians.

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Climate risk is a risk multiplier.

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Climate change is a risk multiplier, sorry, and it is a risk.

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While we have always experienced extreme weather, what we see now in Alberta and Canada is a

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fundamental increase in the frequency and severity of extreme weather events.

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This figure indicates the types of catastrophic insured losses across Canada.

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The lines in red shows those with some of the highest cost and some of the extreme events.

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Seven out of the ten cost list disasters in Canada, however, has occurred in Alberta,

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with losses close to $8 billion dollars over the past six years alone, according to the insurance

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Bureau of Canada. These include the 2012-15 and 2016 hailstorms, the 2013 floods, and the 2014

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September in Calgary. Climate change, climate adaptation reduces our risk exposure against extreme

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weather.

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The adaptation plan contains five themes, 13 programs and 175 actions.

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Action

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and maintaining our tree canopy to longer, more complex projects, such as updating our design guidelines and standards for city infrastructure to withstand higher snowfall or ice storms.

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We already have a longer history of water management and actions during times of emergency as illustrated during the 2013 flood and the recovery thereafter.

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I again would like to provide you with an example. Let's look at infrastructure.

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Disruption or damage to roadways, light rail transit, recreation centers, and power distribution

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systems can have significant impacts on both municipal services and the lives of citizens

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and businesses.

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We have seen this already with floods and snowtenberg.

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The two critical program areas were identified under infrastructure, including backup power

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for critical services and design standards and practices.

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Access to power is essential in maintaining these services.

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Prioritizing essential services based on climate vulnerability assessments will ensure continuity

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of service delivery, including water treatment, protective services, and public housing.

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As changes in our weather become more severe, historic data is not sufficient anymore to

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ensure future infrastructure can withstand the chronic changes of the severe events.

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Updating our design guidelines and standards for city infrastructure to ensure resilient

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extreme weather and chronic climate changes is becoming more and more important.

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Let me give you an example. Rooves for facilities in Cal are designed using historical

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climate data that tells us that a roof has a certain carrying capacity. Or wait, it could carry.

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New data tells us that, with changing conditions, we will see more snow and ice, like we've seen in

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recent months. This will contribute to the weight on these roofs and causing collapse of buildings.

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The corporation is currently reviewing these types of buildings. It is imperative that the

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standards and guidelines be reviewed to consider the new data about what is coming.

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Business as usual does not work anymore.

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Considering the future state should become part of business as usual.

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What's next?

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You will see business units bring forward actions to be considered through one Calvary in November

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of this year.

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We look forward to further collaborate with industry partners to provide advice and implement

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the actions through a strong governance structure that considers timelines and cost in its implementation.

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We will kick off citizen awareness and education as well as engagement during the summer and Q3Q4

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of this year. We will pursue external funding opportunities to support not only the corporation

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but also the community. We will monitor and report on the progress of actions on an annual basis

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and report together with our governance group to council.

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In summary, our goals are to reduce emissions by 80% by 2050,

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and to reduce risk exposure from severe weather events in operations and services.

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We need a strong strategy in actions to make that happen.

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We therefore recommend that council approves the climate-resilient strategy and action plans.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much Mr. Iverson as you have been very enthusiastic about this project and your team it's great to see so we will start with comments from the public if we'd like to if Miss Louie and your group as we agreed could come up first and we will consolidate your presentation and then once I think you have three members total is that correct?

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Okay, so a total of four and then we'll have all the presentations go forward first and then Q&A afterwards once they all finish.

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I got a question for you.

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Yes, we ask questions now. What do the?

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No, we'll wait to all four of presented because some are going to answer others people's questions.

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Oh, administration is afterwards.

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Okay, thank you.

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After the public hearing.

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So, if we appreciate it, if you can limit it to five minutes maximum for presentation, please, and Ms. Lee, if you'd like to introduce yourself and begin.

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Put your speaker on here, hold on.

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Oh, sorry.

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I have letters to distribute as well, some additional letters came in since yesterday that I'll just leave up here for quicks to talk to you.

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Thank you.

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So, good morning, my name is Grace Louie, I'm the Director of Strategic Initiatives and Government Relations at Build Calgary region, and I'd like to start by thanking the Administration.

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not only for the work that they've done, but that they conducted certain portions of the work in a very open manner,

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inviting a number of stakeholders to the table to provide feedback on the mitigation strategy.

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Bill was one of those stakeholders, and it really was a pleasure to work with the team.

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And we'd like to especially recognize Claire Becksted, Dick Ebersen, Chris Collier,

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and Brits Semvorski for their outreach efforts in sharing a lot of information with us.

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So we want to be clear that we absolutely support the climate resilient strategy and we want

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to see it succeed.

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But we have some questions, concerns about whether or not the way that it's structured

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is likely going to give its success.

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You'll probably see a lot of people who will tell you about why it's needed and where we

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completely agree with that.

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We would like to talk about how the plan can be successful.

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So the combined strategy and action plans around mitigation and adaptation, we thought included

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a hundred and twenty-nine action items in total.

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Apparently, we must have miscounted because I just heard Mr. Eberson say that just on the adaptation side, there's 176 actions, so it's actually even a bigger plan.

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The climate team was kind enough to spend some time with us to explain how they believe that the strategy and the action plans would roll out.

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And so if I've missed anything in my explanation of it, we certainly welcome any sort of corrections from that team.

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If you look at the letter that we presented in the attachments that were included in it,

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one is an attachment that is a chart that was shared with all of the working session members,

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and this was generated by the City of Calgary, and it essentially is a synopsis in chart

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form of all the actions in the mitigation plan.

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And on second attachment that we provided, it is, we went through the staff report and looked

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at all of the actions in the adaptation side of the plan and put that into chart form as

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So the way that we understand it is that Council approval of the strategy today would

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approve the themes, the programs, and all of the actions which is everything that you

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would see in those charts up to the numbered items but not necessarily the things that are

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listed as ABC below which is those items would be determined through the discretion of the

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business unit or through the initiative that gets started.

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So the immediate questions we have when we saw that is that we noted that funding is actually

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actually at that sub-level we'll say, and in the staff report, we noted that the funding

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is to be considered, but not necessarily required, which brings up questions about whether

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actions approved by Council then become also required for funding.

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We noted that some redundancies also exist across the action plans in the mitigation and adaptation

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side. We're similarly worded, but not exactly same actions exist under different programs,

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so we don't know whether or not those efforts could be siloed or integrated. I know that

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half of the action plan on mitigation was really well vetted with industry and other stakeholders

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and the other half on adaptation probably still need some work on that. Some brand new terminology

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has been introduced and not defined not only for industry but probably for the needs of everyone

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inside the city of Calgary that will be looking at acting on them. Notwithstanding all the concerns

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that we and questions that we saw, too many items of concern jumped at us. One is just the size of

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the program. It's a very ambitious program and something of this magnitude of size doesn't appear

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to come with a needed overall governance or coordination to run it, to prioritize actions

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to monitor, report on it, or to even fund and resource it.

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So what happens if a business unit doesn't prioritize it in the same way, another business

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unit does, or can't fund an action item?

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What if their action is redundant or ends up running counter to another action somewhere else?

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The actions themselves are not insignificant.

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Some are quite substantial, except for seven in the mitigation plan, 62 are considered to

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to be worked down over the next four-year budget,

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starting in that four-year budget cycle

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and continuing to the next 10 years.

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Even of a portion of these call for industry engagement,

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we're not sure if we could respond properly

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to support each action that we require our involvement.

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So we believe that the plan really does need some prioritization.

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There's also an assumption,

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our second issue is that the assumption is that

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what we need to do is generate a lot of new regulations.

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The options themselves assume we need to add

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or generate a lot of policies, programs, plan strategies

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on top of some of that are existing in place.

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Our concern is that some of the existing regulatory platforms don't function or misaligned

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and don't necessarily achieve the outcomes according to their attention.

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So adding new policy on top of old policies that are not currently aligned to each other

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or even to climate directives creates more of a challenge and is not a solution.

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So what we think is needed is to look back on our existing regulatory base and fix it

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before adding to it.

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If we don't, we are concerned that we may end up spending a lot of time, resource and

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money to back it up afterwards and we do see examples of that now.

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Our proposed solution is to stage the approval of the strategy, approve the 10 themes and

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the 23 programs today and use that as a platform for a combined mitigation adaptation action

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plan and determine and prioritize that action plan through a joint city industry work group

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similar to the city industry work program that has been so effective through planning and

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development.

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We also want to make sure that that group is appropriately supported, resourced and funded

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to carry out the work that they need to do.

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With that, I will hand over to sort of the next presenter we have for our group.

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Thank you.

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Good morning, my name is Chuck Stepper, I'm with Stepper Homes and the High Field Land Management Group.

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I'd like to thank the city of Calgary Climate Change Team for being open and

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willing to share their mitigation strategy with our industry during its development.

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The city's approach to use technical working groups enabled industries,

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industry organizations such as build to proactively share efforts with external stakeholders.

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That offered us an opportunity to engage with the city and

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inside our own industry, taking an active role for advocating for positive outcomes in the area of climate mitigation.

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I've had the opportunity to chair the Build Climate Change Committee.

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We are champions of climate resilience with the city and with our own industry members.

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through that committee we've been able to promote events such as co-hosting the building

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industry and climate change discussions with the city on May 9th and endorsing build

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for its participation on the city's climate energy panel in late March. We support the city

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in adopting a climate resiliency strategy and will continue advocacy work in this area. However,

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we agree with the concerns that have been brought forward by build and ask that this committee

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support their full request. In addition to that I would like to highlight another issue for your

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consideration. The action plan as currently presented is triggering questions about alignment

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and approach. For example the theme natural infrastructure is repeated in both the mitigation and

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adaptation plans with similar but slightly different actions listed under each. Does this mean

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that each action is a separate item to be funded and deployed under separate plans?

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If not, why not list them together and avoid redundancy?

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Additionally, the term natural infrastructure has not been commonly defined, so we don't

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know exactly what it is and was newly introduced to the mitigation plan after engagement occurred.

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Engagement with external stakeholders on the adaptation side has not yet happened.

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I joined approach to address this through a working group with city and external stakeholders

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would be very beneficial if we want to see success in this area.

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Our industry is currently challenged with existing storm water management plans and

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its corresponding requirements and expectations to the degree that is becoming a barrier to

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development for many applications, whether in new areas or established areas for commercial

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or residential.

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Resolving the existing regulatory framework is necessary before we put new regulations

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plans and strategies in place.

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Our request is to see a cross departmental group that includes externals, stakeholders

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to be used to provide governments, prioritize and set actions to implement the climate

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resiliency strategy.

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Both mitigation and adaptation should be looked at comprehensively through this group to avoid

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silos.

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Void redundant use of resources. Some of the mitigation actions and many of the adaptation actions will impact our industry. We have not been engaged in these areas and believe we have a critical role to play. We need to be involved in setting actions because that is where we can create successful conditions for implementation and we are seeing what it costs in terms of money, effort and time when this step has been overlooked or assumed that it will organically happen.

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To close, I would like to quote one of my industry colleagues who gave feedback on the strategy.

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They are currently experiencing some very real stormwater struggles on several projects

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across Calgary, but still believe that these struggles can be resolved collectively.

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The policy influencers convinced the policy makers that it was more important to have a policy

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that we could figure out and figure out the details later.

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The policy got forced on everyone and we've been struggling ever since.

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I think the concern with the climate strategy is the same.

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It all sounds good until we set policy and then find out that we can't implement anything

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or the cost of implementation is higher than the cost of doing nothing.

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The creation of working groups would hopefully prevent this from happening again if we make implementation

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planning part of the overall strategy.

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And quote, climate resiliency is a critical issue that needs to be addressed through many

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partners.

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As an advocate for climate resiliency, I want to be clear that these requests are being

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made to ensure the success of the climate resiliency strategy not reduce it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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My name is Doug Owens.

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I'm the senior strategic development manager and in charge of government relations for Brookfield

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residential here in Calgary. First off thank you very much for the opportunity to be involved

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in this process administration has been great. We've had some very spirited conversations with

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some people in the room who definitely understand the challenge in front of us. So in my role in

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the company with Brookfield I look forward 5, 10, 15 years out and look at how policy shaping up

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and my job is really to move the company or work with our senior leadership group and moving the

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company in small steps towards what we think the future might look like.

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What we see shaping up broadly around the world is the push for energy efficiency.

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And that's shaping up in Canada as well through the PAN Canadian framework and the targets

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that we have been put out.

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And what we're seeing is that in 2030 the roadmap that's been laid out federally for us, and

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We believe that the code cycles will follow that, is a 70% improvement on energy efficiency

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in the build form.

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And that is tough to bring across, but 70% better than what we're doing today dramatically

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changes the build form and how our communities are brought on and how redevelopment happens.

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Brookfield has moved our operations towards energy efficiency, we're fully supportive of

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the build position, noting the concerns that they're bringing forward and their requests.

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Energy labeling is one of the actions that has been noted in the plan put forward by administration.

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That is one of the things that we shape up broadly across North America that underpins

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all of the energy efficiency frameworks is recognizing that prioritizing energy efficiency

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before renewables, before more infrastructure or adding costs and leveraging the investments

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that communities already have should be prioritized.

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What we recognize, too, is that in 2030 per the Pan-Knowing Framework, we believe 75% of

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the existing homes out there today will still be standing.

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That sector as a market has to be addressed if we're going to move the needle anywhere

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on climate change or GHG reductions.

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So, we're definitely supportive of an energy labeling program, and that's probably the total position I can put forward today in respect to the climate resilient strategy that Dick and his group is put forward.

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So, thank you very much again for the participation in it. It's been great.

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Thank you.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

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My name is Chris Olenberger.

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I'm with Neop Calgary today and I'm joined by our Chair of our Government Affairs Committee, Paul Dirksen.

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I'm only going to take two minutes just so that we're respectful of your time this morning.

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Mainly here today to support build and many of our industry members' concerns about the implementation.

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I think you've heard that the industry is supportive of the themes, the goals, the ideas, what people are wanting to do here with the climate resiliency change strategy.

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and they just want to be more involved in the actual implementation and how we're going

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to execute this. There's some details and some great examples of some successes that

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we've worked with at the City of Calgary, like the rail policy recently in which we worked

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very difficult challenges through together to come out with a great policy at the end of

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the day. And I think that's really the key core ask that we're looking for is to make sure

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that we have the opportunity to work together with administration and the city on how we can

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and actually do the implementation effectively.

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That doesn't just mean cost effectively,

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it means actually being able to undertake

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and implement some of the tasks that are at hand here today.

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I just wanted to emphasize that the implementation,

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we're really partners in that.

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In fact, we're probably in a big way,

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a lot of the implementation team on this strategy

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for the city of Calgary.

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And so to have that opportunity to make sure

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that we're all aligned and speak in the same way

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and working together on it

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That is hugely important for our industry.

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Paul.

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Thanks guys, we thought we would tag team this.

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I am the chair of the government of various committee.

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I'm also the senior vice president of Quadville Property Group.

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We have about 5 million feet of existing industrial real estate and

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Calgary and another million square feet under construction and

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nose creak, including the new Amazon warehouse.

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And we own several office buildings in downtown Calgary.

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The membership of our group is about 250 people.

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Well, we represent the owners and managers of all the commercial real estate.

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In Caligering, we were hand in hand with Bill and we are here to echo our concerns about the implementation piece of this initiative.

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Our industry is on the leading edge of these kinds of things.

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We do solar-ready buildings, we have LED lighting, we have cisterns that limit the flow of stormwater.

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Here we have these really exciting property technology initiatives coming forward where we monitor the heating and ventilation of all of our buildings.

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This is across our industry and I think one of the best things that we can do in the collaboration phase that we're recommending is bring those best practices to the table.

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And not only would we bring folks like ourselves that are leaders of the community, we would bring the consultants and the engineering folks and the people that actually know what the volume numbers are.

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I'm just told what we have to aspire to, let alone try to figure out what that actually

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really means.

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So, you know, the key for us is that the implementation of all of this, if it just sort

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of comes forward really quickly, it could get bogged down and it will start to get some

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pushback, right?

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And the other thing is the stormwater management piece is really a bit of a Pandora's box

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right now and we're concerned about adding layers to that before we have that figured out.

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And I think the last thing I would try to leave with you folks is that what we try to do

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as an industry and what we try to do as a very large landlord in the country is work with

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aspirational goals, but behave in a realistic manner and so we do have the desire to do everything

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we can to mitigate whatever we can because we are a major contributor, but we also have to

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be realistic, we have to respect that not everybody is a large landlord like us, we might

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have a deep pocket and have a bit of a better chance to do some things but there is hundreds

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of folks that build force feeders or a few little warehouse buildings that it's going

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to be very difficult for them to put some of these things together without incentivization

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and best practices and technology. So I'll leave that with you. We're here for questions,

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but thank you for your time and thanks again for all the collaboration. We're immersed

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in City Hall, we have folks on every initiative you can think of, and we appreciate the time.

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I have a letter too, by the way, that we can hand in with Brookville Letter.

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Okay?

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Great.

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Thank you.

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We're under the time, which is great.

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So we'll start with questions and Councillor Keating, please.

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Thank you, Chair.

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I remember the pedestrian strategy that came forward, and I think there were 50 or 65 action

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items. And at that time we had quite a bit of feedback of saying, how on earth can you

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do all of this? But I also remember I believe that that was in a phased in. We're going

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to do this, and then we're going to do this, and we kind of evaluated or prioritized the

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ones that could be done immediately according to finances or a number of those things.

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So I'm looking at 129, which is well over double what that one was. And I don't see any way

447
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:37,540
in shape or form that we're going to evaluate these in such a way that we can do this one today

448
00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:42,620
with no cost and it's across the board, we can do it in all business units even though they're

449
00:39:42,620 --> 00:39:51,140
listed. So did building anyway, did they kind of come up with some of the more relevant actions,

450
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:57,800
did they figure out some ways in which they could be prioritized, some are extremely large actions

451
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,140
that may require a number of stakeholders.

452
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:05,740
Some are little tiny things that I could do all by myself,

453
00:40:06,420 --> 00:40:13,040
which is amazing, yeah, but anyway, so do you have any comment on

454
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,900
how this is going to be implemented?

455
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:17,940
Thank you for the question.

456
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:21,820
It's interesting you asked that because we actually went through the list

457
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:22,640
and thought about that.

458
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,680
There's probably some things here that don't require multi-stakeholder

459
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,260
a group to look at it and probably go on its way and be implemented and other things that probably require a lot more effort.

460
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:43,420
But we didn't think that it was appropriate that sort of to conduct that work on the floor of committee to ask you to go through the hundred twenty-nine actions and debate whether or not they should be in this bucket or that bucket or another bucket.

461
00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:56,940
We've worked really well with staff and I think the relationships that we've generated with them lead us to believe that if the structure gets put in place where we do have that group that gets set up, I think in a very short order that group itself could probably go through

462
00:40:56,940 --> 00:41:01,900
through all of the lists and determine how best to address it, where it needs to go to,

463
00:41:02,260 --> 00:41:05,780
what needs multi-stakeholder engagement, what doesn't, and how it gets prioritized.

464
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,300
So our ask, rather than trying to take that ask and go action by action item through committee

465
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:16,560
or council, was to simply say if you trust that we have a good working relationship, we can

466
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,600
probably go off and figure this out under that kind of governance group.

467
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:26,860
And if we need more direction, if we need funding, however that works, we would come back

468
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:33,020
to counsel. If we don't, then we would ask that counsel probably give that group at the

469
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:37,320
authority, the funding, the prioritization to be able to then carry out its work.

470
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:43,820
Okay. So, I've identified some of the actions, which I looked at, and I'll be asking in a

471
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:49,500
administration the same questions to some degree. The comment was made that a dollar spent is a dollar saved.

472
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,840
In your buildings, do you see that as a reality, or do you see it as done with the

473
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,720
in existing budgets, or do you have to have huge outlay to start with, and then you

474
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:09,260
save an operation over time, or can it be, you know, a neutral effect on the budgets?

475
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:10,760
Yeah.

476
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,240
On the commercial side, it is not a neutral effect.

477
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:22,540
You know, there is, for instance, in solar energy, a timeline whereby you save a certain amount

478
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:28,340
there by you pay back your solar installation but you know as a landlord we don't necessarily

479
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:34,260
get that cost back through a rental rate increase with our tenants right so the investments

480
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:41,700
we make to make our buildings better don't have a linear effect over time they they definitely

481
00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:47,960
do and then you know as a large organization I need to really emphasize that we are prepared

482
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:58,300
And we do invest in these things without the recognition of a straight line payback on them because we feel that we need to be leaders in the community for these kinds of initiatives.

483
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,300
And so solar is a very good example.

484
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:11,280
We make sure that our Amazon building has a solar ready structure, the cost to put that solar array in would be borne by the tenant.

485
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,640
They would be the ones that would do it.

486
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:18,260
We could do it collaboratively, or we could do it over stage.

487
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:20,700
The other thing that comes into play is the incentive piece.

488
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:26,960
LED lighting is becoming quite cost effective because the cost of it itself is low, and

489
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,700
there are government incentives to subsidies, I guess it would be to get that going.

490
00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:39,500
And that's probably a key piece that we need to look at is to incentivize the general community

491
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:44,140
on this for the betterment of everything is probably the best way to go because it is

492
00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:49,800
not a dollar-for-dollar investment. From the commercial perspective, anyway.

493
00:43:50,260 --> 00:43:55,920
Well, I don't know who will answer this one, but I get the idea that some of these things

494
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,920
are better for the climate better for the environment and therefore they should be invested

495
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:06,400
even though they may not recoup the investment. I remember back in the day when we went

496
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:25,820
And when I was building my first house, they came and they said, you know what, do double everywhere on the big ones do triple, but the triple everywhere costs more money to construct and to build and you waste more energy than you'll ever safe.

497
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:33,340
Did you identify in here any of the 125 that may be in that category that and there is.

498
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,920
And I'll ask the same administration at a later time.

499
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,580
I'll just give an example.

500
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,560
We build our warehouses so effectively now that they don't breed anymore, right?

501
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,580
They used to be nice that they had little seams and they had air coming through them.

502
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,340
They don't, so now we have, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars for

503
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:53,300
air exchange systems, you know, so there's an impact to some of these things.

504
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,980
So on the commercial side, we have an identified specific.

505
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Things change over time because now it's pretty good thing to put in triple pay. But at the time when the first came, that's why I was looking at, when you look at 129 items, I have no idea which ones are the most relevant and which ones are. Thank you very much. Some are easy wins. Okay. Let's, you know, and that's just some. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Councillor Keating. Councillor Meglioca, please. Thank you, Chair. And this is for Grace. I know the city industry joint work group,

506
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,500
that build the supporting, what would it look like and how would you see it working?

507
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,540
Well, we've made reference to the city industry work program that was set up through planning

508
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:45,900
and development under GM Daugleish.

509
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:50,260
And while I want to be very clear, we're not looking to add to that group, but we're looking

510
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:52,820
to set up a structure that's very similar to that.

511
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:58,620
We've found that it is a really good place for cross collaboration both inside the city

512
00:45:58,620 --> 00:46:01,760
as well as with other stakeholders that sit at the table.

513
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:06,340
And it's an ability for a group like that to look across at all the actions and

514
00:46:06,340 --> 00:46:10,640
find out and determine what's most important, what should be prioritized.

515
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,720
Let's figure out five things that we really want to achieve and

516
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:14,720
deliver on this year.

517
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,220
Get that done, report on it, monitor and then move on to the next five things.

518
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:21,440
And then that's how we sort of managed that larger plan.

519
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,480
We found that it's a great place for our industry to go because then it aligns us.

520
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:35,080
and we thought that it had value from the city as well, so that's why we use that as the example of what could potentially be set up for this initiative as well.

521
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,260
That sounds really reasonable, thank you.

522
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:45,680
You know, I received all the letters that you guys have sent from all your members, from every developer to land developers, to home builders.

523
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,980
And they all agreed that climate change is real and climate change has to be done something about it too.

524
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:57,160
But the way they say it in their letters is, you're already taking these steps, but we're just interfering now.

525
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Is that kind of what you're getting to?

526
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:04,760
Well, yeah, many of them are already taking the steps, and many of them have come, and that's part of the panel that we had is,

527
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,160
many of them taking the steps and the barriers that they see are maybe regulatory and process, and they'd like to get those results so that more people can do those steps.

528
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,000
And that's really where we think that multi-stakeholder group will help do that.

529
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,360
I think everyone sold on it and knows that we need to do the actions.

530
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,800
There's a lot of refinement that needs to go on to make sure that regulatory piece doesn't become a barrier.

531
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:32,280
All right. And my final question is, if we were to implement the 129 changes that the administration is recommending,

532
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,420
what kind of costs would be to the end user? It's not going to be, the end user is going to be paying for it, correct?

533
00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:38,440
Yes.

534
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,020
Do you have an idea or no? I'll ask the administration that.

535
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,120
Thank you. Thank you.

536
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:47,660
Thank you, Councillor, Councillor Dumont, please.

537
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,520
Thank you, Chair. I'm thinking Mr. Dirkson, if I may.

538
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:01,720
So you had made some comments with regards to you always have aspirational goals but work

539
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:09,680
in the real world. Now, I can certainly empathize with that. I'm wondering if slight and small

540
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,660
all nudges by the city is actually appreciated or, and I can answer, I know the answer is

541
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:16,900
going to be.

542
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:17,040
No.

543
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,060
Look, they are appreciated.

544
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:28,280
What bugs us down is regulation or policy that doesn't have collaborative input, right?

545
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:28,700
Okay.

546
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:29,880
So we're in it with you.

547
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,880
I will look to the rail guideline work that we did with the city.

548
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:36,080
You know, that is a mating category solution.

549
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:37,880
That is an awesome solution to a problem.

550
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:45,700
it took a couple of years but you know the federal government nudged us on that and it was untenable

551
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:53,600
and and we worked together so you know we we don't you know the mood and I've been at this

552
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,320
about seven years and I've been in the industry for 25 but for the past seven years that I've been

553
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:05,360
revolve a government affairs is it is not adversarial it is so what kind of what I'm getting at is

554
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:13,820
Your example of the Amazon on building being solar ready, there's an extra cost not to put the arrays up

555
00:49:13,820 --> 00:49:19,420
But there's an extra cost to have it solar ready if I'm not mistaken. Yep, right. So I guess my question would

556
00:49:19,420 --> 00:49:28,600
Be something along the lines of would that be something that the building owners would be opposed to having been in the building codes

557
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,460
To basically when you build your buildings. They have to be solar ready. I

558
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:36,440
I don't know what these costs actually are.

559
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,020
And again, I think where the clarity needs to come is with large institutional

560
00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:46,460
landlords like ourselves, we have a better opportunity to deploy capital.

561
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,420
It will, where the difficulty could come would be on the guy that would like to build

562
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:54,320
four little 1000 square foot grade level buildings.

563
00:49:54,740 --> 00:49:59,960
You know, he may not be able to afford that unless he was perhaps incentivized,

564
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:01,320
or subsidized to do that.

565
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:10,000
So the blanket answer is less regulation, less code, the better for us is we always feel

566
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,580
that we actually do a very good job, but the nudges here and there and if we get the

567
00:50:15,580 --> 00:50:19,140
industry on the side, it's not going to be a line in the sand.

568
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,860
See, I guess the problem that I've got with that is that as you say, that would mean some

569
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:26,140
players play in some don't bother.

570
00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:35,180
Now, having said that, a big part of the problem that we on this side of the horseshoe, we don't

571
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:39,260
really understand the actual costs involved when we put these together, and that's part

572
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:43,520
of our issue is that it's easy for us to say, hey, solar, that's a great idea.

573
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,280
You guys should all go out and put it ready.

574
00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:51,180
Having no concept of what the actual dollar value is that we're implementing on you.

575
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,960
So that's a part that we have to be very careful about, and I don't know what the solution

576
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,920
to that is. Yeah, it looks like something I would give you, you know, California imposes this,

577
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:10,200
right? And so developers go to Arizona or Nevada to areas, and I also would say that, you know,

578
00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:16,820
to having every rooftop as a solar farm is aspirational, but if we put things together where we have

579
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,800
some 20, 30, 40 percent over time, this is also the long game, right? So,

580
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,060
So if you don't mind, I'd love to hear your response to that.

581
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:33,600
So I don't have the depth of background as a large pension fund.

582
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,420
I am a smaller landlord, and we do have ten in season retail and in restaurant.

583
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:43,040
And they are very sensitive to their operating line costs, right?

584
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:46,520
They have a gross rent that says, here's how much you pay for your building and stuff like that.

585
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,980
And then the op cost property taxes, running the building, all that good stuff like that.

586
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:56,360
They are always welcome to energy efficiency savings.

587
00:51:56,780 --> 00:52:02,940
They are not also so welcome to the cost of the capital required that gets passed out.

588
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:08,860
So, it is a very sensitive time frame for a lot of actual on the ground retail tendencies

589
00:52:08,860 --> 00:52:10,880
and I think on the ground homeowners as well.

590
00:52:11,700 --> 00:52:18,100
I think the key takeaway is we have a lot of expertise in how we can do it.

591
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:20,460
for example, Paul's example of, we're sold already.

592
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:23,420
Well, what if we're sold already wrong, right?

593
00:52:23,540 --> 00:52:25,700
What if it's the wrong type of thing to put in right now?

594
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:29,380
And in 15, 20 years, that money was just fitted away

595
00:52:29,380 --> 00:52:31,900
because what's needed in this place

596
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:34,280
no longer works from what he invested in the past.

597
00:52:35,020 --> 00:52:36,860
So I think if we work together as a task force

598
00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:38,540
to identify some of these opportunities

599
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:41,740
to make sure that we make them as available as possible,

600
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,860
make them implementable, make them such that they actually

601
00:52:44,860 --> 00:52:47,280
happen on the ground and don't just sit as policy,

602
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,540
which is I think the root concern we have,

603
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,660
everybody will be better off.

604
00:52:51,940 --> 00:52:54,240
We're looking to bring the implementation solutions

605
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,300
to the table and we're just looking for that opportunity

606
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:56,900
of that helps.

607
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:58,300
That does, thank you.

608
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:58,900
Thank you.

609
00:53:00,020 --> 00:53:00,900
Great questions.

610
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,520
Councillor Gontette, please.

611
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:04,020
Thank you, Chair.

612
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,360
Actually, your last comment fits in with my question,

613
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,120
Mr. Olinberger.

614
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,620
You said it can't just be policy.

615
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,760
It's got to be something that we can actually implement.

616
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,400
I'm wondering if Urban Land Institute has been engaged by industry.

617
00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:21,340
I don't see anything from them.

618
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:23,340
Are they at the table?

619
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,000
I don't believe so, not to my knowledge.

620
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,400
Yeah, it's kind of a problem for me because I'm looking at a report called

621
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:34,380
potential game changer for the global real estate industry.

622
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,080
And it's all about the Paris Accord.

623
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:37,640
It's a summary for decision makers.

624
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:41,900
It was issued in September 2016 by ULI Urban Land Institute.

625
00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:45,880
I think most of our membership are our keen supporters of ULI.

626
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:51,180
As you know, ULI is not an industry group or they're not into advocacy.

627
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,840
They're more into the education components and the networking and things like that.

628
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:56,400
So there is some amazing tools.

629
00:53:56,540 --> 00:54:01,740
There's no question about a concert on that we could leverage using some of those ULI resources.

630
00:54:02,220 --> 00:54:05,780
But I don't think the absence of somebody say, hi, I got a ULI flag.

631
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,220
Should be taken as anything, they really don't do this type of discussion.

632
00:54:11,020 --> 00:54:13,480
I would probably argue the opposite.

633
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:19,300
I understand that you're doing advocacy work, and I think it's great, but I will raise

634
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:24,520
the flag on the fact that we sometimes get caught up in policy instead of best practice.

635
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,960
That's something that happened to us when we looked at health impact assessment and creating

636
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,820
healthier communities.

637
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:36,320
And we had a big debate at committee, this is before I was on council, about whether we should

638
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,060
to take the role of implementing policy

639
00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:40,640
around designing healthier communities

640
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:41,900
or should it be best practices?

641
00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:44,340
It ended up being a best practices approach.

642
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,380
When you've got a global organization

643
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:48,480
that's doing best practices, research,

644
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,740
documenting it, issuing papers,

645
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,160
working with cities like Boston and Tampa Bay,

646
00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:55,400
and Calgary finally has a chapter,

647
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,500
I hope that industry reaches out and works with that group

648
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,860
because I don't see them here and I'd really like to.

649
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:04,080
I think you have some great points, Mark.

650
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,380
I would like to point out that it's really not up to us to reach out to you all I.

651
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:13,360
You all I is a very great organization.

652
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,060
They should be here, perhaps they would be here, perhaps they're not aware what's happening.

653
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:22,660
They will be part of the process, but perhaps Councilor should also be looking to them to

654
00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:23,740
say how come you weren't here.

655
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:26,640
Absolutely, that's one of my questions for administration.

656
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,780
I don't care who it is, somebody needs to reach out to them and I hope someone in this audience

657
00:55:31,780 --> 00:55:32,360
is a member.

658
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,000
Well friends we'll be talking to them. Thank you.

659
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:39,740
Thank you. Councillor Collier, your card, please.

660
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:50,120
I have a question. I have lots to say later. So by some of the tone of your comments I

661
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,180
get the impression that you think that this hasn't been a collaborative exercise which I take

662
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:58,220
exception with if I've interpreted the tone of your presentations.

663
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,500
We had a strategic

664
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:06,920
We plan on the table here 10 years ago for climate change and nothing happened, really.

665
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:14,100
It was a plan sat there, collected dust, till these guys came along, and then a few of

666
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:18,780
us have had our shoulder to the wheel here since last October to get moving on this.

667
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:28,380
So I view this document as a very collaborative document with key stakeholders that has

668
00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:37,400
got us this far so I'd like to get your response back. I also view it, there are two parts

669
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,900
to the attachments which have been mislabeled so I just put a small amendment in there but

670
00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:52,220
this is a huge opportunity as I see it again and I want your feedback for internally at the

671
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:57,480
city of Calgary for us to get our house in order, and you'll see all of the action

672
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:03,240
plans line up with specific business units and what their expectations are.

673
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:10,560
It hasn't gone as far as timelines, what the deliverables will be from those business

674
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:17,100
units, and consequently how those business units will align with their key industry stakeholders.

675
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,040
So that's the next chunk of work as I see it.

676
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:28,580
So, having said all that, is my interpretation of what you're saying accurate or not?

677
00:57:31,340 --> 00:57:35,840
Just to understand the question, the interpretation being that we don't believe this was a collaborative

678
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,180
effort.

679
00:57:36,580 --> 00:57:36,700
Right.

680
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,020
That's part of what I said.

681
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:45,820
I've said a few things that I didn't get the sense that you were very supportive of this work.

682
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:49,820
No, I want to think of the question because I want to make sure that we correct it.

683
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,520
No, in fact, it has been very collaborative particularly on the mitigation side.

684
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,360
I think there was some things on the adaptation side that occurred that will probably enter

685
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,520
into collaboration later.

686
00:57:59,620 --> 00:58:01,560
It's just it hasn't been done at this point in time.

687
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,800
I think that collaboration is an ongoing process.

688
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:08,880
It's not something that you do and then you're finished and then you release everything.

689
00:58:09,580 --> 00:58:13,180
So I think what we were trying to bring forward is that the collaboration that we've had

690
00:58:13,180 --> 00:58:14,180
got us to this point.

691
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:43,980
What we need is a way to functionally and usefully continue that collaboration beyond the approval of this plan, and if, as we understand it, the endorsement of this plan with all the actions as written gets, I'll say, written in stone, it might make those collaborative efforts moving forward more difficult because we'll be perceived that, well, you know, we took this to committee, we took this as council, it specifically says this, we have to deliver to the letter of whatever it is that they approved, as opposed to allowing the collaboration

692
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:48,660
to take place, to say we understand the direction, we understand the programs, we understand the themes.

693
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:56,420
What are the best actions that we could take collectively industry, other stakeholders as well as the city in order to make some of these happen?

694
00:58:56,580 --> 00:59:04,160
So we were saying the action plans could probably be better determined by collaboration, by not fixing them in place and making them inflexible.

695
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That was our concern.

696
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:12,480
We think that that collaboration could and should continue and it should happen under a governance framework so

697
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that when we go in and work with all the different business units, we understand that this strategy

698
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:26,540
has priority, that alignment of, you know, processes and strategies and plans and specifications

699
00:59:26,540 --> 00:59:32,160
and all these sorts of things, sort of get aligned under a larger banner and a larger party.

700
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:37,520
Without the way we've worked with Imagine Calgary and the growth management overlay and establishing

701
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:44,500
industry working groups in order to flesh out those details from an implementation strategy.

702
00:59:44,620 --> 00:59:46,700
I'd be interested in the other's point of view as well.

703
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:53,460
Yeah, it's not at all about they're having nothing collaboration.

704
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,820
I have a question without that, you know, that, that, that next step that I, that sort of forces us to be able to step back and say, okay, this one we can do now, this one we can do, then, you know, that, that's really where we're coming from. So it's not a line in the sand at all. And for sure, you know, I echo what I said earlier, the, the work we do is, is very healthy and very productive. Right. And the other thing I'd like you to comment on is I would actually like to see.

705
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:36,160
the whole reporting mechanism evolved from a governance perspective where we actually hear from key industry players like

706
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:43,280
themselves. When you report to the standing policy committees on the steps that you guys are taking to help us build a great city.

707
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,200
We have a lot of that far. It's a good, it's a good thing for sure.

708
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,280
Okay, yeah. Thanks. That's all I have. I'm done.

709
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,240
Thank you very much. Councillor Ferrell, please.

710
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:05,280
Thank you. So what I'm hearing is you support that Calgary needs a climate strategy and you

711
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:13,540
want to be at the table to identify priorities and actions and how you fit in. So what would

712
01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:21,340
be the issue to move forward today? I mean how can we move forward today without delay because

713
01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:26,320
what I'm hearing is delay. There's a sense of urgency here and I think we'll hear from members

714
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:34,920
of the public that will speak about that and really address your concerns through the implementation.

715
01:01:36,580 --> 01:01:45,540
Thank you very much. I think the challenge we've had to date is the policy complex

716
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:48,560
and trying to prioritize this.

717
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:55,380
So I think most of our industry have tried projects of very nature and we run into roadblocks

718
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:57,980
that make them very expensive and slow and complete.

719
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:06,660
So that would be an action item which would be to develop a priority and to form a working

720
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:12,540
group on implementation and go ahead.

721
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,960
Let me have two examples, district energy as an example.

722
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,300
So we'll always say target versus technology.

723
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:27,380
When we talk about solar or we talk about district energy, both those come with often

724
01:02:27,380 --> 01:02:29,780
unforeseen problems down the road.

725
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:34,900
So for example, prescribing a solar ready program where companies, individual citizens are

726
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:41,340
invest money up front to make their homes ready for solar and what that does in the future

727
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:45,860
is actually limits density potentially because we don't, we have a talk about solar easements

728
01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:50,660
as a city that I'm aware of. So if, if a building is allowed to grow next to it and block that

729
01:02:50,660 --> 01:02:55,040
investment, I mean that's a challenge we're going to have. District energy being prescribed.

730
01:02:55,620 --> 01:03:00,800
So we know as I stated earlier that 15 years from now, which is really quick in the building world,

731
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,920
we're going to have to build 70% more efficient.

732
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:10,240
There's going to be no need for the heat that these high temperature district energy systems have and they're big investments up front.

733
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:19,900
So having individuals from industry and administration where we can have those conversations to talk about hey these are going to be the problems down the road.

734
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,920
We'll help in prioritizing decisions today.

735
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,960
But that's an implementation issue, is it not?

736
01:03:27,820 --> 01:03:33,820
I'm thinking about build and UDI before that.

737
01:03:33,980 --> 01:03:37,300
I'm just trying to remember something that you've supported.

738
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:43,420
So, the plan of Calgary and the municipal development plan and Calgary Transportation

739
01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:49,500
plan, I mean, it goes on and on and often that criticism comes at the 11th hour when we're

740
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:50,480
ready to bring the report.

741
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:51,780
I'm not sure if that happened or not.

742
01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:58,040
And so I'm, excuse me, if I'm frustrated, I'm looking for a solution.

743
01:03:58,520 --> 01:03:59,660
There's a sense of urgency.

744
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:05,580
We have delayed this for a decade, and so we need to move forward with something today.

745
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,440
And I'm just wondering, are you moving forward with us?

746
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:14,500
So just so that we're clear, because I think perhaps you misunderstood what we're saying.

747
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:16,460
We're not looking to stop this.

748
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:18,380
In fact, we very much want to move it forward.

749
01:04:18,380 --> 01:04:23,860
We're saying that in order to be able to move it forward in a functional and effective way,

750
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:30,120
we need to take the actions and look at them and figure out a way to prioritism so that we can deliver on them.

751
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:36,960
What we don't want to see is that the belief that if we pass the policy that equates to moving forward,

752
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,360
sometimes just passing policy because there I told you so you got to go do it,

753
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,440
creates challenges not only for our industry but also for administration

754
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,040
on how they work across each other that then you spend years trying to back in that.

755
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:54,280
And when really we all get it, we do want to go there, we want to go there as quickly as possible, but there's sort of a thoughtful way of putting it together.

756
01:04:54,500 --> 01:04:56,400
Can you give me an example of that?

757
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,180
I have one.

758
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:58,180
Sorry.

759
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,900
Not directly related to this file, Councillor Farrell.

760
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:08,640
Nose Creek Watershed Management Plan, we cannot achieve the targets at.

761
01:05:09,180 --> 01:05:13,280
They are about to come back to you and say we cannot do the 2017 targets.

762
01:05:13,860 --> 01:05:15,600
We're going to have to stick with 2013.

763
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:21,520
And the reality is that the industry can't really effectively hit the 2013 targets either.

764
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,660
So we've set a great plan, we've got great goals, we know exactly where we're going to

765
01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:30,660
go as a theme, we're all supportive of it, but the pace and how it's being implemented

766
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:31,600
is a challenge.

767
01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:35,140
So that's what we're trying to do today is let's work together in the implementation, we're

768
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:35,900
all in on the plan.

769
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:43,900
I think, you know, I hope that would be assumed, we can't move forward without the cooperation

770
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:48,620
of Calgarians. And that includes members of the industry who will be building our city,

771
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,800
but let's make sure that when we're building it, we build it right. And we look at the technology

772
01:05:53,800 --> 01:06:00,120
that's available to us today. It's hard to predict what's going to happen in the future. I know

773
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:08,000
it's going to be different. And so, okay, you want to be at the table and as far as prioritizing

774
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,020
and implementation.

775
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:10,120
Yes.

776
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:10,740
Thank you.

777
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:11,860
Thank you.

778
01:06:11,860 --> 01:06:12,240
Councillor Falon.

779
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,780
Thank you for the clarification.

780
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:23,120
Thank you for your time and we'll proceed with the members of the public.

781
01:06:24,980 --> 01:06:28,900
We'll start with Ms. Monica Curtis, please.

782
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,160
So members from the public, just as a reminder, you will have five minutes to speak.

783
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:46,900
And if you could begin your speech with your name, clearly so the clerks have the opportunity to document it.

784
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,420
Good morning, Ms. Curtis.

785
01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:52,440
Good morning. I'm Monica Curtis. I'm the CEO of Energy Efficiency Alberta.

786
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,180
So, I'm not sure that characterizes the member of the public as quite it.

787
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,920
But it was the opportunity to provide support to this report.

788
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:05,520
Thank you committee members for the opportunity to speak to you this morning on this important topic

789
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:10,920
and express the support of Energy Efficiency Alberta for Calgary's Climate Resilience Report.

790
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:17,340
Just a quick note about who we are. Energy Efficiency Alberta is the Provincial Crown Corporation that

791
01:07:17,340 --> 01:07:23,120
delivers programs and services that enables Alberta citizens, businesses, industry and institutions

792
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:29,680
to improve energy use and reduce carbon emissions while diversifying our economy and creating jobs.

793
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,140
We're governed by a board of directors and funded by the government of Alberta.

794
01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:40,680
and guided by a three-part mandate to raise awareness about energy use and the associated

795
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:45,520
economic and environmental consequences and opportunities to promote design and deliver

796
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,620
programs related to energy efficiency, energy conservation and the development of micro-generation

797
01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:55,520
and small-scale renewable energy, and to promote the development of an energy efficiency and

798
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,600
energy services industry in Alberta and in Calgary.

799
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:05,880
Our programming, we currently offer suite of programs and continue to evolve that over time.

800
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:14,520
Those initiatives include things in our first six months from July to December of 2017.

801
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:20,820
We participated in driving programming across Alberta business, residents and industries that

802
01:08:20,820 --> 01:08:26,680
reduced greenhouse gas emissions by 3 million tons, more than 1200 organizations, businesses,

803
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:32,220
This is nonprofits and institutions and I think we had a comment earlier about the incentive

804
01:08:32,220 --> 01:08:38,160
programs for lighting that includes Calgary businesses that have participated.

805
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,220
Close to 4,700 energy efficient products have been installed across the province.

806
01:08:43,900 --> 01:08:50,060
We have a network of more than 4,500 homes that have participated in our residential programs.

807
01:08:50,060 --> 01:09:00,060
over 600 participating retailers, including a significant number of Calgary both retail organizations and locations.

808
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:06,520
And as one example, our residential note charge program has 150,000 Alberta residents.

809
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,920
With over a third of those being located here in Calgary,

810
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,320
represents 12% of single family households across the province.

811
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:21,800
So my point in that is that Albertans and Calgarians are clearly interested, their participation

812
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:27,900
in this programming demonstrates their interest in being part of energy efficiency and renewable

813
01:09:27,900 --> 01:09:29,040
energy in the city.

814
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:36,440
This report represents important work for the city of Calgary and a real leadership opportunity

815
01:09:36,440 --> 01:09:38,280
as the councilor noted.

816
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:44,620
Energy efficiency Alberta supports this report, including the target for an 80% reduction

817
01:09:44,620 --> 01:09:46,760
and greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

818
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:53,520
The plan aligns with broader objectives that energy efficiency Alberta's programming is

819
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:58,020
designed to support activity that will grow in the coming months and years.

820
01:09:58,780 --> 01:10:04,740
We anticipate that this plan as carbon-centric and performance-based will be based on broad

821
01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:08,700
collaboration and look forward to the opportunity to be part of that.

822
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,600
Energy efficiency Alberta is actively participating in both policy discussions and implementing

823
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:24,200
and are happy to be involved in working towards important goals that align with the goals that this plan puts forward for the city of Calgary.

824
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,960
We have invested in energy efficiency in the local economy and have a mandate to continue to do so.

825
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,800
As all of us can coordinate and work together.

826
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:41,140
In our view, the Climate Resilience Report provides an important framework.

827
01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:47,600
work. An adoption of this plan is a critical first step to moving forward in terms of opportunities

828
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:53,140
for implementing a broad range of actions that can support energy efficiency and renewable

829
01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:58,680
energy for years to come. Energy efficiency, Alberta, looks forward to adoption of Calgary's

830
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:03,780
climate resilience report as a foundation for action and look forward to the opportunity

831
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:08,160
to collaborate and coordinate as this moves forward. Thank you for your time today.

832
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,160
Thank you.

833
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:10,360
Thank you.

834
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:18,120
I do have one question for you is how do you see your role in terms of the actual action

835
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:18,660
plans?

836
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:19,080
Mm-hmm.

837
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,360
So I think there's a number of things.

838
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:28,200
We do have programs and services that provide funding and services across Alberta that align

839
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,480
with many of the actions that are identified in the plan.

840
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:36,600
We see opportunities to coordinate our actions.

841
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:42,160
We are working on similar opportunities with cities like the City of Edmonton, City of

842
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:47,560
Medicine Hat, Red Deer, Grand Prairie, so a number of cities across the province where

843
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:55,880
we see opportunities for our programming to support and to the work of individual cities in

844
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:56,360
these areas.

845
01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:05,080
And then we also see it the other way around where we have programming that can contribute to the goals and objectives that you've laid forward.

846
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:06,740
Excellent, thank you, Ms. Curves.

847
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:07,640
Thanks for coming today.

848
01:12:08,740 --> 01:12:11,720
Chair, next speaker is Mr. Bill Phillips, please.

849
01:12:20,410 --> 01:12:21,570
Sorry, Phillips is it?

850
01:12:21,730 --> 01:12:22,730
I mispronounce it.

851
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:23,210
Philips?

852
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:24,990
Philips.

853
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:25,850
Philips, thank you.

854
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:26,590
There's no L in there.

855
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:32,170
I've been called Phillips on my life because people don't quite get that there's no L.

856
01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:33,730
I get called Wade all the time.

857
01:12:33,730 --> 01:12:37,150
Or do you just call me whatever you want, most people do that.

858
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:42,090
Anyway, my name is Bill Fipps.

859
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:48,630
I'm here on behalf, or as part of Calgary citizens on climate change.

860
01:12:49,450 --> 01:12:52,850
And also I'm a retired minister of the United Church of Canada.

861
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:55,890
So I play a number of roles.

862
01:12:57,070 --> 01:13:01,990
I want to thank all of you for the opportunity to be here.

863
01:13:01,990 --> 01:13:08,770
but especially the staff and administration for the detailed and visionary work leading

864
01:13:09,150 --> 01:13:14,150
up to this document because I know they've worked very hard at this and I haven't had a

865
01:13:14,150 --> 01:13:19,190
chance to read the whole thing in detail, but it looks like a fairly comprehensive thing

866
01:13:19,190 --> 01:13:22,270
that we've been waiting for and want to move on, okay?

867
01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:29,670
I believe that somebody talked about reality, you know, on the ground reality.

868
01:13:29,670 --> 01:13:37,930
I believe that climate change is the embracing reality of life in the 21st century.

869
01:13:38,330 --> 01:13:44,930
It is the context in which all of life has lived and affects everything we do.

870
01:13:45,710 --> 01:13:49,910
It's not just an issue that you can tick off, oh we did that, we did that, we did that.

871
01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:56,050
It's the embracing reality and I think we have to get our heads around that, that this

872
01:13:56,050 --> 01:14:00,230
This is it, folks, and we're in a state of emergency in many ways.

873
01:14:00,570 --> 01:14:04,930
No part of life escapes the far reaching effect of climate change.

874
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:13,070
So I'm glad that this report seems to or this plan seems to be integrated throughout all

875
01:14:13,070 --> 01:14:16,730
departments and systems and structures of the city.

876
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:17,770
That's very important.

877
01:14:18,190 --> 01:14:22,990
This can't just be off in a corner somewhere with people working away on it.

878
01:14:22,990 --> 01:14:29,330
it affects everything the city does and I'm really glad that this plan, as I understand it,

879
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:38,730
reaches everywhere. It's essential if we have any hope of doing our part in climate mitigation

880
01:14:38,730 --> 01:14:46,050
adaptation. Of course, I'm interested to see the budget connected with each part of this. I'm also

881
01:14:46,050 --> 01:14:52,470
So I'm interested to see and look forward to it with specific timelines and goals so

882
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:54,690
So, we can measure ...

883
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:07,440
And I look forward to those that coming forward. I also agree with this that widespread education

884
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:14,340
and public and community engagement is very important in this because everybody is involved

885
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:19,860
and is affected by climate change, so we should all be fully engaged as much as we can

886
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:27,500
at every level of the city's life. Now there's one thing that I think is absolutely essential

887
01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:33,820
on this and in our meetings with various counselors and staff we've said this

888
01:15:33,820 --> 01:15:41,380
every time I think and that is leadership. Every city counselor and the mayor

889
01:15:41,380 --> 01:15:47,420
have to stand up and be counted on this and be seen to be champions for

890
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:53,100
getting on with our city addressing climate change. It's not good enough just

891
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:56,700
just for people to know oh yeah I think the cities in favor and they got this

892
01:15:56,700 --> 01:16:03,540
little program and so on, I think every City Councilor and the mayor have to be out

893
01:16:03,540 --> 01:16:10,780
front. In my work, I meet a lot of calgarians from all walks of life, all political parties,

894
01:16:11,380 --> 01:16:18,980
all of that stuff, and stuff has changed in the last year or two. People are eager to do the

895
01:16:18,980 --> 01:16:25,960
right thing and to be involved. And so your leadership and the leadership of your colleagues, including

896
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,920
in the mayor is essential to engage everybody.

897
01:16:30,300 --> 01:16:33,820
People are looking for that kind of positive leadership

898
01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:37,320
that I know each one of you can give.

899
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,820
So we're looking for bold, passionate, informed leadership

900
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,580
for climate mitigation and adaptation.

901
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,240
And if the city of Calgary wants to be a leader,

902
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,360
as I think the beginning of the document says,

903
01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:54,120
then let's be leaders, but you can't be leaders.

904
01:16:54,120 --> 01:17:00,180
If people don't know where you stand, and if people don't know that you're moving this along.

905
01:17:00,980 --> 01:17:07,640
So I just want last comment, just since I'm a United Church minister, I want the city

906
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:14,860
to know that the United Church of Canada nationally has committed itself to the same goals to

907
01:17:14,860 --> 01:17:20,520
reducing our greenhouse gas emissions on our thousands of buildings throughout this country

908
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:29,900
by 80% by 2050, and we've instituted a program to encourage congregations and all of our units to be involved in this.

909
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,680
So people are wanting to get on board, and that's different than it was a few years ago.

910
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:41,760
There are votes in this, actually, folks, because people want the kind of leadership that you can give.

911
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:42,940
Thank you.

912
01:17:43,460 --> 01:17:43,880
Thank you.

913
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:45,800
Please stay up.

914
01:17:45,860 --> 01:17:48,320
You have a question from Councillor Cullioucarte, please.

915
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:50,920
Thanks, Robert, for being here.

916
01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:56,240
How do you incent your congregation to take action at the neighborhood community level?

917
01:17:57,420 --> 01:18:03,540
Well, there are some of them, I can say Paul's church in Edmonton, for example, has had

918
01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:05,520
solar panels for a number of years.

919
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,740
I know the Parkdale United Church, for example, is looking at it.

920
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:16,000
They've done a lot of work, efficiency kinds of work, and they're examining, as we speak,

921
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,040
putting solar panels on their building.

922
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,420
There are a number of other United Churches who are doing that.

923
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,760
I mean your congregations, the people, individual action.

924
01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:32,940
Well, part, that's what I'm talking about, is that these congregations are taking action.

925
01:18:33,580 --> 01:18:39,560
What it also does, from our point of view, in the way we try to promote it, is encourages

926
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,380
individuals to do the same thing.

927
01:18:41,380 --> 01:18:48,160
If their church is changing their windows or changing their bulbs or all of that stuff people say, you know

928
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:53,380
I could do that in my house and say the money we had a good education and it talks that shows us how we can do it

929
01:18:53,380 --> 01:18:59,940
The other thing it does as you well know is that is it is an inspiration for the community

930
01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:02,820
When you have solar panels on your feet people say, oh geez

931
01:19:02,820 --> 01:19:08,800
That I heard there's some incentives from the provincial government and from our city to do this

932
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,400
I think I'll get in touch with them.

933
01:19:10,940 --> 01:19:15,740
So, the thing spreads as you see visibly what people are

934
01:19:15,740 --> 01:19:16,360
actually doing.

935
01:19:16,380 --> 01:19:17,460
Okay. Great. Thanks.

936
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:18,640
They care.

937
01:19:18,980 --> 01:19:19,480
Great.

938
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:21,080
It's not just a money thing.

939
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:25,180
They care for the future because climate change is affecting

940
01:19:25,180 --> 01:19:26,020
everybody.

941
01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:29,960
And we won't be here in a few generations unless we act.

942
01:19:30,380 --> 01:19:31,180
It's as simple as that.

943
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:32,640
Great. Thank you for coming today.

944
01:19:33,780 --> 01:19:35,560
Next is Tom Kerwin, please.

945
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:43,340
Thank you very much.

946
01:19:43,340 --> 01:19:54,700
And I'm with the same organization that Bill Fips is, in other words, the Calgary citizens on climate change, and I've three points, two general points, and one more specific.

947
01:19:55,080 --> 01:20:01,560
Firstly, as others have, I congratulate the City Administration on its work in getting a comprehensive document together.

948
01:20:01,700 --> 01:20:10,400
I've worked 30 years in federal government and housing and energy issues, and I know how difficult it can be to put such a monstrosity together.

949
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:17,960
So congratulations, and it's natural that you have over 100 recommendations given how comprehensive the approach is.

950
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:23,520
Secondly, on the mitigation side, I find it a little disappointing.

951
01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:29,020
I am heart pressed to see how this will get us to the 80% reduction by 2050.

952
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:39,720
I think I hope that as part of the next steps that there will be some fairly aggressive goals and moves to actually get us there.

953
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:46,200
because the mitigation plan as currently outlined doesn't give me hope for that one.

954
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:53,840
The third item, we're rightly in the document somewhat, we have keen on our memory

955
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:54,880
the 2013 floods.

956
01:20:55,540 --> 01:21:01,180
And I spent a few weeks after that, both mucking out houses and also working at Hillhurst,

957
01:21:01,260 --> 01:21:06,540
sunny side, community center, giving information to residents there about what to do.

958
01:21:06,540 --> 01:21:11,380
And one of the things that struck me from that exercise was that there needs to be good

959
01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:19,100
public information ready, and in other words, it's alluded to in your document, but specifically

960
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:26,500
in the issue of moisture mold issues, that the province and C-MHC for that matter have

961
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:32,420
some documentation there, but I'd encourage the city as part of its modest going forward.

962
01:21:32,420 --> 01:21:38,520
It is a fairly straightforward suggestion to actually make sure that that is kept up to date,

963
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:44,900
that they have ready access to that, so that if we have another flood of that nature,

964
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:51,660
that we have that type of information readily available, and that's the extent of my presentation today, thank you.

965
01:21:52,020 --> 01:21:54,700
Great. Thank you. You have a question from Councillor Ferrell, please.

966
01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,100
Thank you. Thank you for being here. I'm sorry I didn't catch your last name.

967
01:21:58,100 --> 01:21:59,800
Kerwin, Tom Kerwin.

968
01:21:59,860 --> 01:22:03,040
Kerwin and your organization is called outing?

969
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,700
It's the Calgary, the 4C with

970
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,720
Baudix and Bill Fips are with.

971
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:15,820
And we have, I should mention to Councillor Collier-Cart's question earlier, that 4C, our group

972
01:22:15,820 --> 01:22:22,120
has worked with congregations and having public education events as well, such as at Hilfers

973
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:22,680
United Church.

974
01:22:22,980 --> 01:22:23,420
Please.

975
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,160
Thank you for doing that.

976
01:22:25,420 --> 01:22:28,480
So how would we meet our targets?

977
01:22:29,060 --> 01:22:33,240
You're concerned that the recommendations won't get us to where we want to go.

978
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,320
What are, specifically, what are your concerns?

979
01:22:36,660 --> 01:22:36,880
Okay.

980
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:43,540
That the energy efficiency and renewable energy aspects of it still need a lot of work.

981
01:22:43,540 --> 01:22:47,580
And I think that the best way to do that perhaps is that there are a number and I can send

982
01:22:47,580 --> 01:22:49,400
information subsequently to administration.

983
01:22:49,400 --> 01:23:02,020
There are a number of cities across the world in the states in Europe and elsewhere in Canada that have embarked on similar ventures and actually I think have a little more aggressive in what they're hoping to do.

984
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:06,560
So I'd happy to send that to yourself and to members of the administration.

985
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,960
Thank you. I think all members of council would be interested in that.

986
01:23:10,440 --> 01:23:11,360
Very good. Thank you.

987
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:13,540
Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

988
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:20,980
The next speaker is Christy. I think it's Paige. It's hard to read the last name here.

989
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,080
Good morning. Is it Paige?

990
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,600
Yeah, it is. It's Christy Paige. Welcome.

991
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:37,680
I was born and raised in Calgary. I'm a mom. I'm an average Calgaryen. I'm here to talk for two reasons.

992
01:23:38,420 --> 01:23:45,420
One is two years ago, I was invited by a friend to tag along to one of the film festival's

993
01:23:45,420 --> 01:23:47,600
sustainability panels.

994
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:53,940
And during the Q&A, I was really surprised to find out that we're a joke.

995
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,520
Calgarians are a joke when it comes to environmentalism.

996
01:23:58,780 --> 01:24:01,180
Our environmental literacy is so low.

997
01:24:01,180 --> 01:24:09,480
They gave the example of, they show up in Edmonton, everyone who comes on set brings their own water bottle.

998
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:18,760
Two years ago in Calgary, Calgarians didn't know what receptacle, to put their water, their plastic water bottle into.

999
01:24:19,580 --> 01:24:22,020
And they just had example after example of that.

1000
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:24,780
That was embarrassing to hear.

1001
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,080
I think that our citizens are smart.

1002
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:29,920
I think we need to raise expectations on them.

1003
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,780
and I think they'll rise to the occasion.

1004
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,820
The other reason I'm here is I'm an asthmatic

1005
01:24:35,820 --> 01:24:40,940
and I find the air quality in Calgary on average is great,

1006
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:46,320
but there's pockets where I cross 10th street

1007
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:50,420
to go to state regularly and to cross 10th street

1008
01:24:50,420 --> 01:24:53,120
the smog is just stifling.

1009
01:24:53,420 --> 01:24:55,200
I need to use my inhaler to cross it

1010
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,560
and I think we need to do something to change that.

1011
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:07,360
My family sponsor to Syria and refugee family of seven, we looked at getting them transit

1012
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,340
passes in Calgary.

1013
01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:10,160
It was not affordable.

1014
01:25:10,380 --> 01:25:12,300
It made way more sense for them to get a car.

1015
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,660
There is something wrong when that is what makes the most sense.

1016
01:25:17,380 --> 01:25:23,720
If Bogota, Colombia can offer free transit, then Calgary should be able to do something to

1017
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:27,000
make it that transit is the better option, the most affordable option.

1018
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:36,490
And as you guys are up there on council, climate change or climate action is great, but

1019
01:25:36,490 --> 01:25:37,630
I think it needs to be radical.

1020
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:42,350
And it's not about saving the planet, I mean, that's the bonus.

1021
01:25:42,770 --> 01:25:47,410
What it is, is it's about helping those people who need it, the people with health issues

1022
01:25:47,410 --> 01:25:53,090
that have trouble breathing in this city, the people who can afford to get around this city.

1023
01:25:53,090 --> 01:25:59,650
Those are the votes you guys should be going after by wanting radical climate change.

1024
01:26:00,190 --> 01:26:00,850
Thank you.

1025
01:26:01,050 --> 01:26:02,630
Okay, thank you, thank you for your time.

1026
01:26:03,770 --> 01:26:07,010
Next speaker, Mr. Ryan, remain, please.

1027
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:16,680
Good morning.

1028
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,560
Good morning, Mr. Chairman, committee members.

1029
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:20,740
So my name is Ryan Germain.

1030
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:27,340
I'm the vice president at ADCO for natural gas distribution operations in the Calgary region.

1031
01:26:27,340 --> 01:26:32,120
I want to thank the city of Calgary and the climate change program team for giving

1032
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:39,100
ATCO an opportunity to participate in the city's low carbon advisory panel and the embedded

1033
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:39,860
working groups.

1034
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:46,120
As an organization, we endeavor to take part in these multi-stakeholder discussions as a

1035
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:52,280
shared to see a shared energy future that will help us develop a more collaborative, innovative

1036
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:53,760
solutions to climate change.

1037
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:59,940
As a long-time integrated energy infrastructure provider in Alberta, it's our responsibility

1038
01:26:59,940 --> 01:27:05,840
at ATCO to deliver clean, efficient, and reliable energy solutions to our customers.

1039
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:13,200
We know that the transition to a lower emitting energy system is extremely complex and challenging.

1040
01:27:14,100 --> 01:27:16,420
And ATCO is committed to this challenge.

1041
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:23,000
We're committed to exploring how we continue to deliver the benefits of reliability, resiliency

1042
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:28,520
and affordability while contributing to lower GHG emissions.

1043
01:27:29,740 --> 01:27:33,860
Currently, we're investing in innovative and renewable technology

1044
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:38,880
such as solar projects, distributed generation like

1045
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,900
micro-combined heat and power, but we're also continuing to discover

1046
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:47,780
ways we can help support transition to a cleaner future.

1047
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:52,100
Today, for example, we're working hard on projects to green our

1048
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:59,680
energy grid and deliver low to net zero carbon renewable natural gas to make best use of our

1049
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:06,400
existing natural gas distribution system. So renewable natural gas or RNG is a natural gas

1050
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:12,700
produced from organic waste such as from farms, forest, landfills, water treatment plants.

1051
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:20,200
It's 100% interchangeable with regular natural gas can be produced 24, 7, 365 days a year.

1052
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,320
can be delivered and stored using existing infrastructure.

1053
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:32,140
The benefit of RNG is that it captures potentially more harmful GHGs like methane produced

1054
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:35,000
from organic waste before they enter the atmosphere.

1055
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:41,060
It then can convert that into natural gas for use in buildings, CNG buses, power generation,

1056
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:46,200
which offsets the use of conventional natural gas, further reducing emissions.

1057
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,640
In many cases, RNG can be actually carbon negative.

1058
01:28:51,960 --> 01:29:08,520
Municipalities are positioned well to demonstrate leadership, realize economic benefits, and increase climate resiliency via the development of renewable content of their energy grid, both as a producer of RNG, but also as a consumer of it.

1059
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:16,000
Well, there's no specific actions citing RNG in the proposed climate resiliency strategy

1060
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:16,680
and action plan.

1061
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,980
There is mention of RNG potential as a fuel switching alternative.

1062
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:26,240
And I just want to highlight that as a potential for RNG for fleet vehicles as a viable contributor

1063
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,220
towards the city's climate change objectives.

1064
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:35,420
We look forward to continuing to work with the city of Calgary on the important plan of climate

1065
01:29:35,420 --> 01:29:35,980
resilience.

1066
01:29:35,980 --> 01:29:43,940
We believe our efforts to pioneer low-at-mitting energy solutions for our customers could help inform the city's strategy.

1067
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:57,520
As mentioned, we believe this includes RNG, but also includes many of the strong actions identified in the plan today, like on-site neighborhood scale renewals, low-carbon energy systems,

1068
01:30:00,140 --> 01:30:27,740
Electric and low emission vehicles, energy management, and performance. We believe that a viable long-term solution takes understanding of the challenges and needs of the communities, identifying those opportunities, and then ultimately participating in those solutions for a better future. So thank you, again, for your time, and I'm here to take questions, if you have any. I also have just summary of my notes that I can find out. Great. Thank you. Thank you.

1069
01:30:29,300 --> 01:30:37,380
I just have a quick question is, I thought we were testing natural gas buses.

1070
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,700
We were doing a pilot on that.

1071
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:47,680
Yes, there are CNG buses that is gas from our system directly.

1072
01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:55,700
Just highlighting the opportunity to use renewable natural gas to power,

1073
01:30:56,580 --> 01:31:00,780
whether they're city buses or other vehicles in the city.

1074
01:31:00,900 --> 01:31:04,140
Is there a summary report coming on the testing or is that been done already?

1075
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:09,180
I cannot remember to be honest on the outcome.

1076
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:10,840
We can come back to you on that one.

1077
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:11,000
Yeah.

1078
01:31:11,140 --> 01:31:12,200
I believe there is one coming in.

1079
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:12,560
Okay.

1080
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:13,500
So come back.

1081
01:31:13,660 --> 01:31:14,420
Thank you for coming today.

1082
01:31:15,980 --> 01:31:16,380
Okay.

1083
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:18,580
Next speaker is Mr. Heather, please.

1084
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:31,840
Mr. Heather?

1085
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:32,860
Good afternoon.

1086
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,720
Through the chairman to the councilors bless you in the name of Jesus, our creator.

1087
01:31:38,260 --> 01:31:47,800
We have examples from nature when I just have a couple paragraphs on the importance of carbon dioxide may not be aware of.

1088
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:52,200
When speaking of breathing, the first thing most people think of is the oxygen.

1089
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:57,720
But carbon dioxide is actually just as important, which not many people know about.

1090
01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:04,580
Every cell in our body needs a certain concentration of dioxide emissions around 6.5%

1091
01:32:04,580 --> 01:32:10,900
in order to maintain a normal life, when human life first began on the planet, the atmosphere

1092
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:17,240
had a different composition than today. There were over 20% carbon dioxide in the air

1093
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:23,280
at that time. Carbon dioxide concentration has fallen sharply, and now there is only

1094
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:30,740
three hundreds of percent in the air. The human body has to compensate for this gradual decline,

1095
01:32:30,740 --> 01:32:37,120
and has done so by creating an internal air environment in the small vesicles, the avioli,

1096
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:47,060
inside the lungs. The optimum amount of carbon dioxide in the blood is 6.5%. If a carbon

1097
01:32:47,060 --> 01:32:54,220
content is less than this, the cells get less oxygen because the lack of carbon dioxide

1098
01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:59,940
causes a chemical reaction which causes oxygen-rich blood not to be able to be released

1099
01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:08,300
to the tissues. And that causes a condition called hypoxia, the death of the cells eventually.

1100
01:33:09,060 --> 01:33:18,260
So, we have to realize when I read this report with all of its voluminous, voluminous, 176 recommendations,

1101
01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:25,140
I saw Wagon coming down Old Banff Quote's trail. And as I got closer to the center of the town,

1102
01:33:25,140 --> 01:33:31,680
I saw a sign on the end, on the side of the wagon, it said, Dr. Ebenezer's Miracle Tonic.

1103
01:33:34,180 --> 01:33:42,240
This is a direct attack on our oil and gas resource industry, from which we gain our taxes

1104
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:43,680
to operate our city.

1105
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:51,340
We have the petroleum show going on just down the trail here, and we've got a report which

1106
01:33:51,340 --> 01:33:53,520
is a poison pill for the industry.

1107
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,120
less oil and gas, less use of this.

1108
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:04,080
And the only way we could keep this road show going is by hoping that the rest of the

1109
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:09,920
world still needs oil and gas while we try to commit self suicide in this manner.

1110
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:14,560
So there's an aspirational disease, aspiration has been mentioned.

1111
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:21,180
There's a disease of the aspirations, which is called mass transference neurosis.

1112
01:34:21,180 --> 01:34:29,780
It's a mass delusion that a public can state aspirational goals that are totally

1113
01:34:29,780 --> 01:34:32,320
unfulfellable will bankrupt us.

1114
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:38,180
Every one of those 176 actions are going to cost millions of dollars and it's going

1115
01:34:38,180 --> 01:34:44,220
to go sailing through this committee this morning on the council entirely uncosted.

1116
01:34:44,740 --> 01:34:50,380
This is a disease of the mental process and you see it in just and true to often.

1117
01:34:50,380 --> 01:34:51,180
You know?

1118
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:59,060
You see the integration in the NAFTA talks with gender parity and all of these other

1119
01:34:59,060 --> 01:34:59,400
things.

1120
01:35:00,020 --> 01:35:01,180
So we have to pull back.

1121
01:35:01,780 --> 01:35:03,760
If you could keep it to the actual strategy, please.

1122
01:35:04,380 --> 01:35:05,040
You're going on, Basel.

1123
01:35:05,140 --> 01:35:08,680
You see in the document low-carbon economy.

1124
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:14,220
This is a switch in terminology from the initial environment climate plan.

1125
01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:16,600
It was GHG, greenhouse gases.

1126
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:22,980
Now it's low carbon, there's carbon in this thing, this is made of carbon, that is made

1127
01:35:22,980 --> 01:35:32,840
of carbon, the plants outside are using photosynthesis, the production of steel involves

1128
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:38,600
high amounts of carbon, the breathing process I've mentioned.

1129
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:54,980
So we're getting entirely off, we're going to spend billions and dollars eventually on an internal attack while Mr. Kenny and Mr. Scott Moe and Doug Ford are fighting the carbon tax and want to revoke it.

1130
01:35:55,420 --> 01:35:58,360
And here is the left-wing City Council Administration.

1131
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,820
Sure, Heather, stay to the topic.

1132
01:36:01,180 --> 01:36:03,280
This is about the strategy.

1133
01:36:03,580 --> 01:36:05,200
Do you agree or disagree with the strategy?

1134
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:08,320
We can't even water our spruces.

1135
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:14,320
We've got dying shrub beds all over the city, full of

1136
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:19,940
thistles, curling over, dead spots all over the place.

1137
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:21,840
We can't even handle that.

1138
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:25,380
And we're talking about redesigning the entire city.

1139
01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:27,560
This is good for the planning class.

1140
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,900
Yes, they'll make millions, but it will have no-

1141
01:36:31,540 --> 01:36:33,980
Okay, your time's up, Mr. Heather, thank you for your time.

1142
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:43,850
No, we gather, you don't agree with the strategy.

1143
01:36:44,750 --> 01:36:45,190
Thank you.

1144
01:36:46,010 --> 01:36:48,790
Next speaker, Ms. Monica Leong, please.

1145
01:36:55,690 --> 01:36:56,870
Good morning, my name is Monica.

1146
01:36:57,710 --> 01:36:59,870
Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you.

1147
01:37:00,350 --> 01:37:04,090
This is not something that I ever do and that I ever imagined I would do.

1148
01:37:05,150 --> 01:37:09,610
But I just wanted to come and add my voice to the crowd of people who

1149
01:37:09,610 --> 01:37:17,710
are very engaged in the idea that our lives need to change because of climate change.

1150
01:37:18,250 --> 01:37:23,970
And that despite the fact that changes will be expensive, not making those changes will

1151
01:37:23,970 --> 01:37:24,950
be more expensive.

1152
01:37:25,650 --> 01:37:33,690
And in my world, I'm an educator with new Canadians from refugee backgrounds and immigrant

1153
01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:34,310
backgrounds.

1154
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:40,010
and I'm a mom, and in my daily world, in my little life, in Calgary, in my little community,

1155
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:47,170
I'm seeing over the last few years that the people that I engage with are more aware of things

1156
01:37:47,170 --> 01:37:52,450
about the environment. They're more accepting of the concept of climate change.

1157
01:37:52,750 --> 01:37:55,410
And yet, we all just need a little bit more push.

1158
01:37:56,170 --> 01:38:01,690
And so my congratulations goes out to you for considering the strategy and these action plans.

1159
01:38:01,690 --> 01:38:07,050
and I would very much like to encourage you to accept them and approve them so that

1160
01:38:07,050 --> 01:38:13,590
your leadership can help individuals like me and my little family make the kinds of

1161
01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:19,010
decisions that are hard to make, and that costs money, maybe, but in the long run are

1162
01:38:19,010 --> 01:38:24,870
going to be the right decisions and that will save us money and effort and difficulty in

1163
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:26,530
the future for mitigating these things.

1164
01:38:26,730 --> 01:38:29,950
So thank you and I applaud your work.

1165
01:38:30,430 --> 01:38:35,890
Great. Thanks for coming. We appreciate your thoughts. Our next speaker, Miss

1166
01:38:35,890 --> 01:38:37,610
Sadie Vapon, please.

1167
01:38:45,050 --> 01:38:50,170
And your Sadie? Yes. Hi. Welcome. Thanks for coming. Hello. My

1168
01:38:50,170 --> 01:38:55,070
name is Sadie. I'm 12 years old and I am here today to make a difference. I want

1169
01:38:55,070 --> 01:38:59,010
to try and help fix global warming because it makes lives around the world. Not

1170
01:38:59,010 --> 01:39:04,710
just humans worse. In talking to you, we can make a bigger difference. The more

1171
01:39:04,710 --> 01:39:10,150
people that are helping the bigger the difference is going to be. I'm not saying that one single

1172
01:39:10,150 --> 01:39:15,770
person is going to fix the entire problem of global warming by themselves. It's going to be,

1173
01:39:15,790 --> 01:39:21,530
it's going to be by thousands and millions of people working together to make a world a better

1174
01:39:21,530 --> 01:39:27,670
a better place. And some people, well, they don't believe that the world is suffering from global

1175
01:39:27,670 --> 01:39:33,970
warming that we created. In Harry Potter, I don't know if you've read Harry Potter, but if you have,

1176
01:39:33,970 --> 01:39:38,310
you'll know that the Ministry of Magic didn't want to believe that Voldemort had come back from

1177
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:43,770
the dead because they were scared of that idea. But just shoving it away and claiming that it

1178
01:39:43,770 --> 01:39:49,510
doesn't exist doesn't make the whole idea just disappear. Pretend that the Ministry of Magic are

1179
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:55,130
the ones that don't believe in global warming. Voldemort is global warming and Harry and many other

1180
01:39:55,130 --> 01:40:02,070
people are the ones that raise an army to overcome Voldemort. We are that army and guess what? Once the

1181
01:40:02,070 --> 01:40:07,050
Ministry figures out that they were all wrong. They were wrong all along. They put

1182
01:40:07,050 --> 01:40:12,750
in maximum effort to help overthrow Voldemort. We want that to happen. We need

1183
01:40:12,750 --> 01:40:18,770
this to happen. Since we made this problem, we have to fix it. If we don't, who

1184
01:40:18,770 --> 01:40:22,050
will? I'm pretty sure we won't have dolphins and

1185
01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:26,950
swas in loud and berms trying to figure this out. You guys are leaders. You can

1186
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:29,350
make a huge difference and lead us in the right way.

1187
01:40:30,250 --> 01:40:33,350
My whole family is trying to make a difference.

1188
01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:36,670
Even things that are quite small, my sister, Willa,

1189
01:40:36,850 --> 01:40:39,930
is working to ban plastics in this city

1190
01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:42,810
and my dad does countless things to improve the planet.

1191
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:46,650
I beg of you to try your best and help our mine

1192
01:40:46,650 --> 01:40:47,650
and yours future.

1193
01:40:48,910 --> 01:40:51,250
And the more people we have helping,

1194
01:40:51,450 --> 01:40:55,210
the more people will notice all of us trying to help.

1195
01:40:55,210 --> 01:40:57,410
and this will go on like a chain reaction.

1196
01:40:58,330 --> 01:41:00,710
Maybe the more people that are helping,

1197
01:41:00,710 --> 01:41:04,610
we may have the whole world of 7.6 billion people

1198
01:41:04,610 --> 01:41:06,010
helping to change the world.

1199
01:41:06,350 --> 01:41:07,590
I'm just 12 years old.

1200
01:41:07,930 --> 01:41:10,430
I shouldn't be have to worry about this stuff,

1201
01:41:10,650 --> 01:41:13,330
but I have to because this isn't the world

1202
01:41:13,330 --> 01:41:14,650
I want to grow up in.

1203
01:41:15,190 --> 01:41:18,170
So if we all have to protect my generation,

1204
01:41:18,490 --> 01:41:20,530
the next generation and so on,

1205
01:41:20,710 --> 01:41:23,150
so please make a change for the better, thank you.

1206
01:41:23,150 --> 01:41:23,210
Yes.

1207
01:41:23,890 --> 01:41:24,650
Thanks, Sadie.

1208
01:41:24,810 --> 01:41:25,410
Thanks for coming up.

1209
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:26,150
You did a great job.

1210
01:41:29,050 --> 01:41:29,350
Yes.

1211
01:41:32,810 --> 01:41:33,270
Okay.

1212
01:41:33,450 --> 01:41:36,310
Our next speaker is Mr. Mike Sherbert, please.

1213
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,720
I'd like to thank the committee for allowing us to come speak here.

1214
01:41:56,780 --> 01:41:59,400
I'm here with the Climate Action Group.

1215
01:42:01,180 --> 01:42:04,320
And I have three things I'd like to speak about.

1216
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:11,000
I would like to all make you aware of that.

1217
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,760
But there has been a lot of work done in the type of things that you're already doing

1218
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,400
here with this strategy.

1219
01:42:21,140 --> 01:42:28,480
And so I'd like to point out to you that if you have YouTube at home, I would like

1220
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:36,760
you to listen to a lecture by a gentleman named Tony Siba, T-O-N-Y-S-E-B-A.

1221
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:47,140
and he's a professor at Stanford and he is an expert in energy pricing and he

1222
01:42:47,140 --> 01:42:55,640
speaks very eloquently about disruptions and before you make any decisions on

1223
01:42:55,640 --> 01:43:03,940
this particular piece of legislation I would like you to spend an hour and watch

1224
01:43:03,940 --> 01:43:10,980
that film because it really really really brings everything to home here and there is so much that he

1225
01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:25,560
says which influences everybody here that spoke here today by the way about he shows very convincing

1226
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:37,220
that within the next 10 to 12 years our whole society will be changed drastically.

1227
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:49,840
And one of the things he's convinced about that by the year 2024, all cars, all vehicles will be just electric.

1228
01:43:50,380 --> 01:43:53,460
And the internal combustion engine will be totally gone by then.

1229
01:43:53,460 --> 01:44:01,620
And he is also convinced that by the year 2030, we will be using 80% less fossil fuels.

1230
01:44:02,660 --> 01:44:07,480
And that will get, as far as I'm concerned, I'm a climatologist, by the way.

1231
01:44:07,780 --> 01:44:12,720
I have been working as a technician in the environment for the city of Calgary and

1232
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:17,200
many other government levels for 34 years.

1233
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:23,920
And I think that you would do yourself a great favor by watching this lecture.

1234
01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:25,860
There's two other things I like to speak about.

1235
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:33,920
It's on YouTube, by the way, and two things I like to speak about is that the by-law,

1236
01:44:34,300 --> 01:44:40,580
when it comes to environmental legislation is seriously lacking its very bad shape.

1237
01:44:40,940 --> 01:44:45,440
It prevents people from doing a lot of good environmental things.

1238
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:56,240
And the other thing is I have availed myself to, I've created a bucket list, the things

1239
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:59,600
that I've wanted to do, which I learned a lot about while I was.

1240
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,060
We put on that bucket list all the kind of things that I would like to do to make the environment

1241
01:45:04,460 --> 01:45:14,600
and the air better. And so I have years ago, I changed LED lights and did all the right things

1242
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:28,720
that we are supposed to do. We do need to change our billing code to save on energy in a big

1243
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:36,720
way. And I, for instance, have just recently bought an electric car, and now I'm trying

1244
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:43,780
to put solar panels on my roof so that I can feed the electric car. And that is where

1245
01:45:43,780 --> 01:45:49,900
I ran into a problem right there because the city owns Endmax.

1246
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,660
They have opted for

1247
01:45:54,660 --> 01:46:01,460
or by-laws so that you have to have your solar panels grid died.

1248
01:46:02,380 --> 01:46:08,880
And I object to that because in the progressive places around the world where they have already

1249
01:46:09,070 --> 01:46:19,880
gone solar very drastically, they have had fights with the utilities and the community.

1250
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:34,640
And it has shown that, eventually, solar electric power is going to get so cheap that it will really remove all other forms of energy.

1251
01:46:35,460 --> 01:46:44,360
And I would gladly like to talk to anybody about this because I have researches for a long time.

1252
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:49,420
So, if you have any questions, I think that's all I want to say.

1253
01:46:50,820 --> 01:46:55,360
Okay. Yes, we do. We have a question from Councillor Demogh, who is actually on the end of the export.

1254
01:46:56,380 --> 01:46:57,160
Gee, thanks.

1255
01:47:00,610 --> 01:47:01,790
Yeah, no, I'm done. No pressure.

1256
01:47:02,990 --> 01:47:11,370
So, I'm intrigued when you say that solar energy will be cheaper than anything else that we can do.

1257
01:47:11,370 --> 01:47:16,890
I'm trying to understand the time frame because my understanding is solar at this point

1258
01:47:16,890 --> 01:47:22,870
almost anywhere in the world is still in the triple quadruple cost range of most

1259
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:23,590
other types.

1260
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:29,830
So I'm not clear on how that works when you include what the actual capital expense

1261
01:47:29,830 --> 01:47:32,970
costs are, which almost any energy company does.

1262
01:47:33,690 --> 01:47:40,310
What Tony Siva talks about is that we will eventually have so cheap solar power

1263
01:47:40,310 --> 01:47:46,210
from solar panels on top of your building that all other forms of power, even the transmission

1264
01:47:47,010 --> 01:47:51,330
and any other form of energy, is going to be too expensive.

1265
01:47:52,010 --> 01:47:52,350
Okay.

1266
01:47:52,510 --> 01:47:53,550
I understand that.

1267
01:47:53,710 --> 01:47:58,310
But what I'm trying to understand is, so this gentleman that you're referencing,

1268
01:48:00,370 --> 01:48:01,090
I don't

1269
01:48:01,090 --> 01:48:08,470
know how, that may well be true, but at what point are we talking 25 years, are we talking

1270
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:12,310
50 years, I'm trying to wrap my head around this.

1271
01:48:12,310 --> 01:48:20,330
I will tell you, he talks about autonomous vehicles

1272
01:48:20,330 --> 01:48:23,170
by the year 2020-22.

1273
01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:29,210
He talks about, like I said earlier,

1274
01:48:30,050 --> 01:48:31,630
all internal combustion engines,

1275
01:48:32,170 --> 01:48:34,850
all vehicles being built no matter what they are,

1276
01:48:34,850 --> 01:48:41,330
We'll be using electric motors in by 2024.

1277
01:48:42,150 --> 01:48:47,430
He talks about the oil industry is going to be drastically affected by this.

1278
01:48:47,650 --> 01:48:48,410
May I interrupt you?

1279
01:48:48,570 --> 01:48:53,030
I was under the impression that you were saying that you were familiar with the solar energy

1280
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:57,590
enough in your own personal basis that you would be able to speak to it.

1281
01:48:57,690 --> 01:49:02,210
So can we talk about that rather than what this gentleman is suggesting is going to happen

1282
01:49:02,210 --> 01:49:02,790
in some future?

1283
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:13,290
Okay, well, what's happened is that this is sort of forced me, or I realize the urgency

1284
01:49:13,290 --> 01:49:19,750
of trying to put solar panels on my roof and having an electric car because everybody

1285
01:49:22,210 --> 01:49:30,670
in, everybody's new car after 2022 is going to be an electric car, so that's why I have

1286
01:49:30,670 --> 01:49:32,070
opted to do that right now.

1287
01:49:35,650 --> 01:49:37,690
Okay, no that's fine.

1288
01:49:37,810 --> 01:49:41,370
But one of my big points is I spent my whole life

1289
01:49:41,370 --> 01:49:42,790
as an environmentalist.

1290
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:47,110
And one of the big concerns was always CO2.

1291
01:49:47,370 --> 01:49:49,210
CO2 is always going to be a problem.

1292
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:55,770
Well, you're going to have people using 80% less fossil fuels

1293
01:49:55,770 --> 01:49:57,970
by the year 30.

1294
01:49:57,970 --> 01:50:05,350
We are going to reach low CO2 levels long before 50, which everybody is aiming for.

1295
01:50:05,890 --> 01:50:06,110
Okay.

1296
01:50:06,650 --> 01:50:07,230
Thank you very much.

1297
01:50:09,340 --> 01:50:09,680
Okay.

1298
01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:10,220
Thank you.

1299
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:18,380
Next is Joe Vipon, please, and then after Joe Vipon is Simon Irving, so they're ready.

1300
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:21,760
And I'm assuming you're the proud father.

1301
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:22,780
I am.

1302
01:50:22,940 --> 01:50:23,060
Yes.

1303
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:24,000
Welcome.

1304
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:29,600
Can I just answer Dr. Mr. Nebong's, Councillor Nebong's question before I throw myself

1305
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:30,180
into it?

1306
01:50:30,540 --> 01:50:33,840
What, you can do it in your, okay, I'll do it at the end if you want to slide it in.

1307
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:35,800
So I'm Dr. Joe Viapund.

1308
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:40,380
I'm representing the Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment and the Calgary

1309
01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:43,380
Climate Hub, of which we have a number of members here that will be speaking today.

1310
01:50:43,860 --> 01:50:48,160
The hub is a diverse group of, Calgary answer, really concerned about climate change.

1311
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:54,280
I think that we've really been working hard to gather information and speak on this topic.

1312
01:50:55,580 --> 01:51:02,560
I just want to point out that the last time that I got to speak on this topic was in February 23rd of 2017,

1313
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:11,760
five people spoke at that, of which one of them was Mr. Larry Heather and myself.

1314
01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:16,160
Look at this room, it's packed full of people that care.

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01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:22,440
there. It's been a big change in just over a year and that's amazing. We're super excited

1316
01:51:22,440 --> 01:51:29,500
that things are moving forward and we readily endorse this plan. It's a big step for

1317
01:51:29,500 --> 01:51:36,920
the city and it's been a long time since you've had a climate plan. So let's go back to

1318
01:51:36,920 --> 01:51:43,100
what Councillor Collier said. We did have a plan in 2011. It was quite a good plan. It

1319
01:51:43,100 --> 01:51:45,400
It was very well thought out.

1320
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:53,240
There was great discussion amongst the diverse stakeholders and it sat on a shelf and gathered dust.

1321
01:51:53,900 --> 01:51:56,940
What was missing was resources.

1322
01:51:57,780 --> 01:52:03,740
There was never at any point staff or money put towards that plan and it failed miserably.

1323
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:12,660
In fact, as you all know, our climate emissions are actually higher than they were in 2011.

1324
01:52:12,660 --> 01:52:17,280
and we are not expected at all to even come close to meeting our 2020 targets.

1325
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:21,420
This plan needs resources, it needs money, and it needs staff.

1326
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:25,640
There will be a cost to acting on this, but as has been previously pointed out,

1327
01:52:25,740 --> 01:52:30,100
there's also a cost to not acting, and that cost is much, much higher.

1328
01:52:31,220 --> 01:52:36,800
The second thing we think this plan needs going forward is real targets and real actions.

1329
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:41,140
So there's a lot of hundreds of actions that are laid out there.

1330
01:52:41,860 --> 01:52:45,760
The language needs to be stronger, and we do need to have real targets.

1331
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,320
We don't know where we're going, how are we going to know whether we're going down the

1332
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:50,560
right track, whether we're getting there.

1333
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:52,640
2050 is a long time from now.

1334
01:52:52,780 --> 01:52:57,880
It's a lot of different elections, and it's very easy to kick the can down the road and

1335
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:01,260
leave it for other generations, because hey, we're just in it for four years.

1336
01:53:01,540 --> 01:53:05,920
So we need to have four or five year targets so that we know if we're going down the right

1337
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:06,220
path.

1338
01:53:08,580 --> 01:53:13,520
The word sprawl is never mentioned in the entire document.

1339
01:53:13,700 --> 01:53:19,440
I suspect that's the biggest concern by both Calgary is this concern about sprawl.

1340
01:53:19,580 --> 01:53:20,140
We're synonymous.

1341
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:23,460
This city is synonymous with sprawl, and it's the elephant in the room.

1342
01:53:23,500 --> 01:53:27,120
If we're not addressing that, we are not going to make our targets.

1343
01:53:27,340 --> 01:53:35,020
If we continue to just expand, expand, expand, and neglect the building up of our urban environment,

1344
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:38,760
building up rather than out, we're going to fail.

1345
01:53:41,460 --> 01:53:44,840
Citizen engagement, it's really exciting to see that Akko and

1346
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:48,200
Bill Calgary and Pembena were all at the table.

1347
01:53:49,500 --> 01:53:52,060
Mr. Collier and Mr. Everson, where were we?

1348
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:53,860
Where were the citizens?

1349
01:53:54,780 --> 01:53:56,300
We need to be a part of this.

1350
01:53:56,480 --> 01:54:00,040
This is our city, like this is our future.

1351
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:04,600
This, a lot of the decision sure it's going to impact development code,

1352
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:06,360
but it's going to, in fact, people too.

1353
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:11,440
So the people need to be sitting at the table when it comes to this please invite us we want to help

1354
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:19,440
Let us help you and the last thing I think that needs to be pointed out and it already has been pointed out as leadership

1355
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:26,400
You guys are leaders. We elect you to keep us safe to bring us forward

1356
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,400
Please be the leaders that will take us forward on climate

1357
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,080
This is the time for the city of Calgary to shine

1358
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,600
It's our opportunity to embrace the future.

1359
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:40,120
Are we going to be left behind?

1360
01:54:41,260 --> 01:54:42,020
Thank you.

1361
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:43,680
Thank you.

1362
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:44,900
Very thoughtful.

1363
01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:48,540
As there are no, oh, Councillor Ferrell.

1364
01:54:49,120 --> 01:54:49,820
Thank you.

1365
01:54:50,220 --> 01:54:50,560
Question for you.

1366
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:53,200
One comment and one question.

1367
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:57,360
Did you have, did you want to answer the previous speaker's question?

1368
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:21,620
If I may, Councillor Demung on Friday in Nevada, the utility solar bid at 2.5 kilowatt hour, there's no other electricity source that can compete with 2.5 kilowatt-centre kilowatt hour, in Alberta, wind bid in in November at 3.7 cents a kilowatt hour.

1369
01:55:21,620 --> 01:55:24,000
These are cheap technologies.

1370
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:28,420
We're not talking about residential solar in Calgary.

1371
01:55:28,500 --> 01:55:30,260
We're talking about utility solar in Nevada.

1372
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:33,260
And I fully agree that those are different things.

1373
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,280
But you can see that where the trends are going.

1374
01:55:35,620 --> 01:55:37,240
The costs are dropping fast.

1375
01:55:37,460 --> 01:55:38,100
It's pretty exciting.

1376
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:40,760
May I respond to Councillor Ferrell?

1377
01:55:41,740 --> 01:55:43,040
Maybe we want some finished.

1378
01:55:46,300 --> 01:55:50,560
So you weren't around the table in the development of this plan.

1379
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:56,660
As far as I know, there were no citizen groups invited to partake in this plan.

1380
01:55:57,460 --> 01:55:59,800
I could be corrected by administration, but that's my understanding.

1381
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:03,900
Well, you're so tapped into this particular topic.

1382
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,260
You would know, I would imagine.

1383
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,160
That needs to be corrected moving forward.

1384
01:56:09,940 --> 01:56:16,940
And so your group I'm assuming, and I'll put this as a question, are you interested in participating

1385
01:56:16,940 --> 01:56:21,920
with some sort of action implementation group as we move forward.

1386
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:25,360
Yeah, there's three really big climate citizen groups around.

1387
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:29,060
You've already heard from 4C, which is Calgary citizens on climate change.

1388
01:56:29,260 --> 01:56:34,480
We represent the climate hub and there's also Calgary climate action network.

1389
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:39,840
And so I think all three groups would be interested in being invited to be a part of this.

1390
01:56:39,940 --> 01:56:42,640
Okay, that's an important point moving forward.

1391
01:56:42,780 --> 01:56:43,080
Thank you.

1392
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:46,280
Thank you, Councillor Foucault. Concerted, Maul?

1393
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:52,280
Don't misunderstand me. I'm all in favor of solar and wind power as much as we can get.

1394
01:56:52,820 --> 01:56:57,260
My concern is back to what somebody earlier had referenced as reality.

1395
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:04,960
And part of the problem is, most of these solar and wind applications have been subsidized immensely

1396
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:10,880
on the front end to be able to offer these kind of rates. Now, I am hoping that at some

1397
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:17,760
point the entire array, sorry, for the pun, can be put forward in such a way that they

1398
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:19,480
can actually be putting in at two in a sense.

1399
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:23,280
But that's the problem that we have right now is filling that gap.

1400
01:57:23,540 --> 01:57:26,580
I just wanted to respond to that.

1401
01:57:26,620 --> 01:57:32,120
To clarify, the Nevada rate of 2.5 cents a kilowatt hour is unsubsidized.

1402
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,800
The 3.7 cents a kilowatt hour wind in Alberta is unsubsidized.

1403
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:37,860
Okay.

1404
01:57:38,420 --> 01:57:38,880
Thank you.

1405
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:41,400
Thank you.

1406
01:57:44,140 --> 01:57:49,780
Mr. Simon Irving, and then after Mr. Irving, we'll be Mary Galatek.

1407
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:55,460
Great. Thank you. So, as you said, my name is Simon Irving. I'm born and raised in Calgary,

1408
01:57:55,620 --> 01:57:59,880
actually is a fourth-generation Calgaryen. So, I've deep ties to the community, and I think

1409
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:04,420
like all of us here, I care deeply about the city's future. So, with that, I'd like to thank

1410
01:58:04,420 --> 01:58:09,520
Dick and his team, first of all, for all their great work. I know putting together a report like

1411
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:11,180
that is a pretty immense undertaking.

1412
01:58:12,060 --> 01:58:14,460
So, again, I'm here as a citizen, a constituent,

1413
01:58:14,500 --> 01:58:17,500
and also as a member of what is a newly emerging

1414
01:58:18,120 --> 01:58:19,780
organization called the Calgary Climate Hub,

1415
01:58:20,060 --> 01:58:21,320
which Joe was just speaking about.

1416
01:58:22,500 --> 01:58:24,040
So, he's already talked a little bit about that,

1417
01:58:24,120 --> 01:58:25,280
so I won't go into too many details,

1418
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:29,100
but I think the hub is a reflection as well,

1419
01:58:29,220 --> 01:58:31,500
all the folks here are reflection of the growing concern

1420
01:58:31,500 --> 01:58:33,880
and interest on climate change in this city.

1421
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:36,420
So, I just wanna share a little bit of work

1422
01:58:36,420 --> 01:58:37,920
that the hub has been doing,

1423
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:44,900
which was that in from February to March of this year, we undertook a citywide survey on climate change.

1424
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:52,760
I mean, truthfully, we did this because we saw what we perceived to be a lack of leadership by the city on engaging citizens.

1425
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:57,580
So this was kind of our attempt to fill that gap, so I want to share some of those results.

1426
01:58:58,100 --> 01:59:03,420
They're also in the June 8th briefing memo that we submitted and that was just handed out again today.

1427
01:59:03,420 --> 01:59:16,340
Okay, so this survey was filled out by representatives of 71 organizations and 247 individuals, so it's not a large sample size, but I also think that it is large enough that it has quite a bit of merit.

1428
01:59:17,740 --> 01:59:26,720
The organizational respondents represented a variety of sectors from agriculture to the arts, environment, energy, indigenous peoples, green buildings, health, communication, and retail.

1429
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:36,960
So some key statistics we found from that, 91% of the respondents want to see City Council implement a strong climate resilience plan that is well-resourced and meets its targets.

1430
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:47,920
82% of respondents want the plan to be implemented in open consultation with Calgarians. 89% of respondents want to be consulted on how the city's climate plan is implemented.

1431
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:52,980
and then 128 people or organizations would be interested in being part of it.

1432
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:26,140
A pool of people whose knowledge and support could be a really essential resource for the city, moving forward and to ensure the success of this plan. And then I think lastly, I'll just share one statistic that I think is really telling. And that's that the top two barriers that folks that filled out the survey identified were that one, they felt there's a lack of opportunities to act on climate change and two, they didn't know what to do to act on climate change.

1433
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:32,640
So, I think that says that clearly Calgarians are ready, our communities are ready, but

1434
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:34,560
we're looking to the city for real leadership.

1435
02:00:34,980 --> 02:00:36,160
So yes, we're looking to be consulted.

1436
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:40,420
I think that needs to be a key pillar of anything, but we're also looking for real tangible

1437
02:00:40,420 --> 02:00:42,140
avenues to engage on this file.

1438
02:00:43,020 --> 02:00:48,060
So I think that it's time, you know, past time that we move beyond investigating and planning

1439
02:00:48,060 --> 02:00:50,340
to real tangible actions.

1440
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:53,220
But in order to do this, we need this plan to pass.

1441
02:00:53,220 --> 02:01:01,740
And so I'm speaking very strongly in support of passing this plan today, but it needs to be passed as a starting point, not as a statement.

1442
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:09,300
It needs ambitious and defined targets for greenhouse gas emissions, something that it's lacking beyond its 2050 target.

1443
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:16,120
It needs business units need to be properly resourced so that they can complete the important work that's already been outlined and identified.

1444
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:21,300
And I think lastly, the city really does need to consider very thoroughly how to engage and

1445
02:01:21,300 --> 02:01:27,160
include its citizens, and include a diverse set of voices that have been absent in its climate considerations thus far.

1446
02:01:27,980 --> 02:01:31,100
So with that, thanks for the time to come up and comment on it.

1447
02:01:31,640 --> 02:01:38,860
I think Calgary can and should be a leader in addressing climate change, and I'm proud to be here to offer my support and your endeavor is moving forward.

1448
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:40,880
Thank you, Mr. Rubin.

1449
02:01:41,940 --> 02:01:46,540
Next speaker will be Mary Valentick, and after Mary Valentick will be Matt Grace.

1450
02:01:49,130 --> 02:01:58,890
Thank you so much, it's Dr. Mary Valantich, those of you who have Croatian backgrounds know that CH, we changed it so that people would understand, it's CH, some Valantich.

1451
02:01:59,290 --> 02:02:05,330
And I'm here wearing several hats, just like many of my colleagues, I'm a professor, a merit, and a faculty of social work.

1452
02:02:05,670 --> 02:02:13,330
I'm an original member of CCAN, that's Calgary Climate Action Network, and a founding member also of social workers for social justice.

1453
02:02:13,870 --> 02:02:24,910
That's an interest group of the Alberta College of Social Workers, and we are very much in support of the actions of C-Can, which is that grassroots movement that has been trying very hard to bring about education and advocacy.

1454
02:02:25,670 --> 02:02:32,330
Personally, as I'm also here as a citizen, like many others in the room I have grandchildren, I want a healthy environment for them.

1455
02:02:32,950 --> 02:02:37,530
And so that's what brought me here, even though technically I may be not up on all these things.

1456
02:02:37,530 --> 02:02:41,850
But I do want you to know that a discipline like social work, like I taught human behavior

1457
02:02:41,850 --> 02:02:46,010
in social environment for maybe 30 years, but it was social environment.

1458
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:50,690
I did mention the physical environment because I was always concerned about the kind of

1459
02:02:50,690 --> 02:02:54,510
pollution in the industries where my father worked, in which I think brought on his cancer.

1460
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:56,330
But did I talk about climate change?

1461
02:02:56,550 --> 02:02:57,970
No, we didn't in those days.

1462
02:02:58,450 --> 02:03:03,030
But I'm happy to report that the course is now called human behavior and the environment.

1463
02:03:03,390 --> 02:03:05,110
So climate change is very much there.

1464
02:03:05,110 --> 02:03:10,670
We have in social work journals on this now, we have people who are very, very concerned about climate change.

1465
02:03:10,670 --> 02:03:17,370
And I just want to bring that out so that you know that there's many different people out there who will give you all kinds of support.

1466
02:03:18,130 --> 02:03:20,150
Of course, action will be essential.

1467
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:24,070
We have already heard about the need to prioritize the actions, et cetera.

1468
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:26,390
I'm not going to comment on that.

1469
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:28,350
I know there's great complexity in this.

1470
02:03:28,670 --> 02:03:33,170
People want understandable, clear-cut actions that they can connect to.

1471
02:03:33,170 --> 02:03:38,190
I've been a member of, that brings me to the other point on public engagement.

1472
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:42,510
I've been a member of Mayor Nahid and she's civic engagement committee for the last seven

1473
02:03:42,510 --> 02:03:42,770
years.

1474
02:03:42,990 --> 02:03:47,390
And after we analyzed everything that we could, it's a sense of belonging that people want.

1475
02:03:47,710 --> 02:03:51,910
So in the public education which I think is so essential, we don't want to just refer

1476
02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:53,710
people to websites and so on.

1477
02:03:53,950 --> 02:03:55,530
People want a sense of belonging.

1478
02:03:55,870 --> 02:03:57,830
They want to know that they can make a difference.

1479
02:03:58,370 --> 02:04:02,050
And so if you can weave that into the public education, that will be important.

1480
02:04:02,710 --> 02:04:07,470
Now, as a social worker, we're concerned about what it's like for everyone in the community.

1481
02:04:07,890 --> 02:04:12,470
But I just wanted to conclude by one quotation, of course, we're concerned about those who

1482
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:15,230
are more vulnerable, those people who don't have the resources.

1483
02:04:15,690 --> 02:04:17,190
You recall what the flood was like.

1484
02:04:17,330 --> 02:04:17,790
We all do.

1485
02:04:17,970 --> 02:04:18,930
That's a good example.

1486
02:04:19,230 --> 02:04:23,010
People without the financial and other resources just didn't make it.

1487
02:04:23,430 --> 02:04:29,130
And there's a lovely, I think, very important quotation that illustrates some of the costs

1488
02:04:29,130 --> 02:04:31,230
that we haven't really heard of that much.

1489
02:04:31,230 --> 02:04:36,130
This is from Christine Mollahan, full-time therapist at the Calgary Counseling Center.

1490
02:04:36,490 --> 02:04:41,250
She worked directly with many flood-affected clients at the High River Counseling Center.

1491
02:04:41,810 --> 02:04:44,930
She says they rarely came in complaining about the flood itself.

1492
02:04:45,230 --> 02:04:50,290
People would say, I'm dealing with anxiety, I'm dealing with depression, I'm having marriage

1493
02:04:50,290 --> 02:04:55,910
troubles, and woven into that story would be how the flood has impacted on what's going

1494
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:56,270
on.

1495
02:04:56,270 --> 02:05:00,970
Going through a natural disaster, depletes people's resources and ability to cope.

1496
02:05:01,330 --> 02:05:05,750
For those who were already dealing with issues beforehand, the flood acted as a multiplier,

1497
02:05:06,190 --> 02:05:08,710
aggravating financial and interpersonal issues.

1498
02:05:09,090 --> 02:05:11,890
Many of these issues can persist for months or even years.

1499
02:05:12,290 --> 02:05:20,150
And I want to highlight this because that's part of the cost that's involved if we don't take the kind of action that this plan is supporting.

1500
02:05:20,150 --> 02:05:25,910
So that's why we, as social workers, and there's 8,000 of us in the province of Alberta, and a lot of them are here.

1501
02:05:26,270 --> 02:05:29,490
I need to be very much involved and do support you greatly.

1502
02:05:32,230 --> 02:05:33,650
Thank you for that perspective.

1503
02:05:35,350 --> 02:05:40,590
And Mr. Matt Grace, and then after Mr. Matt Grace is Matt Hammer.

1504
02:05:45,390 --> 02:05:45,670
Good morning.

1505
02:05:45,810 --> 02:05:47,250
Very much for your consideration.

1506
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:48,170
I'm Matt Grace.

1507
02:05:48,910 --> 02:05:51,150
I'm a professional engineer and a lead fellow.

1508
02:05:51,150 --> 02:05:55,870
and I've been advising people on how to green buildings up for 25 years.

1509
02:05:56,770 --> 02:06:02,410
First half of that was in England, and then very proud to have Calgary as my home for the last 12 years.

1510
02:06:03,370 --> 02:06:09,510
I was part of the buildings working group that led to this report,

1511
02:06:09,930 --> 02:06:16,830
and I can personally attest that Dick Aberson and particularly Claire Beckstedt ran a very inclusive,

1512
02:06:16,830 --> 02:06:26,370
a very professional period of collaboration, and everything was very open, and the analysis

1513
02:06:26,370 --> 02:06:27,430
was run excellent.

1514
02:06:27,650 --> 02:06:33,510
So I'd like to congratulate the administration on the work they did there, and I fully support

1515
02:06:34,450 --> 02:06:36,570
the plan that we have in front of us here.

1516
02:06:37,550 --> 02:06:43,310
So my firm Mission Green Buildings, I believe, with the largest engineering firm that specialises

1517
02:06:43,310 --> 02:06:45,770
in Green Buildings, so I am probably slightly biased.

1518
02:06:45,770 --> 02:06:50,150
And I just said, our role is to advise some of the people you've seen here ready.

1519
02:06:50,650 --> 02:06:56,490
We advise developers, we advise municipalities, we advise designers on how to make the built

1520
02:06:56,490 --> 02:06:57,370
environment greener.

1521
02:06:58,390 --> 02:07:02,850
So I've really got three key messages to share with you.

1522
02:07:03,450 --> 02:07:08,670
One is there's good news and there's bad news around climate change action.

1523
02:07:09,590 --> 02:07:15,450
The bad news is if we don't act, we are going to see a number of things happening.

1524
02:07:15,450 --> 02:07:21,750
we're going to see more instances like the 2013 flood. We're going to see a much more

1525
02:07:21,750 --> 02:07:27,750
energy going into our climate. I was personally affected by the 2013 flood and I can attest

1526
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:33,450
to the last speaker of the financial and the personal and the family impacts on that.

1527
02:07:34,190 --> 02:07:38,170
When you're dealing with a post-floor disaster, you're not contributing to the community.

1528
02:07:39,510 --> 02:07:43,130
You're not attending to your family. You're not looking at a few loved ones. The other thing

1529
02:07:43,130 --> 02:07:48,970
that we're going to see is that the colder climates, every climate change prediction shows

1530
02:07:48,970 --> 02:07:55,310
that the colder climates are impacted more severely. So the very best scenario in terms

1531
02:07:55,310 --> 02:08:01,790
of climate change we're seeing is the IPCC, something called the RCP 4.5. That's kind

1532
02:08:01,790 --> 02:08:08,190
of we get our act together and we settle about two degrees increase in average temperature.

1533
02:08:09,070 --> 02:08:13,010
We will probably see much more and we will see kind of four degrees.

1534
02:08:13,790 --> 02:08:17,110
So in all that, every study shows that we're impacted more.

1535
02:08:17,670 --> 02:08:22,590
More likely is the RCP 8.5 and we're going to see much more increase.

1536
02:08:23,890 --> 02:08:31,490
The other potential bad news is if we don't act on this, already the data we use to design

1537
02:08:31,490 --> 02:08:36,770
our infrastructure is out of date and all the trends are showing that we're going to be

1538
02:08:36,770 --> 02:08:43,490
more and more out of date. That means we're designing our buildings already for a

1539
02:08:43,490 --> 02:08:48,170
future climber that is going to be different to what actually is. So that's kind

1540
02:08:48,170 --> 02:08:56,630
of part of the resiliency. Now the good news is that again every single time you

1541
02:08:56,630 --> 02:09:02,370
look at the cost benefits of going green you've heard some good examples with

1542
02:09:02,370 --> 02:09:09,330
solar, for example. Every study shows there's a net positive. You go way back to the Kinsey study,

1543
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:16,190
which looked at all the opportunities of mitigating climate change. You look at the IPCC models,

1544
02:09:17,550 --> 02:09:23,530
investing in green infrastructure gives you net positive results. You go back maybe 10 years ago

1545
02:09:23,530 --> 02:09:30,310
to the Stern report, Nicholas Stern, an economist, not a climate change, fanatic, not a professional

1546
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:35,650
Grinola like me, not someone who's a member of Greenpeace, he said this makes financial

1547
02:09:35,650 --> 02:09:36,050
sense.

1548
02:09:36,570 --> 02:09:41,750
You go and you look at our own study, the City of Calgary's own study, on the return

1549
02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:48,650
on lead buildings and that showed between $10 and $12 back for every dollar invested in

1550
02:09:48,650 --> 02:09:50,110
Green Infrastructure.

1551
02:09:50,890 --> 02:09:52,270
So there's opportunity there.

1552
02:09:53,300 --> 02:09:57,450
It's also an opportunity to show that we're diversifying.

1553
02:09:57,450 --> 02:10:11,090
We have the technical skills in Calgary to be a leader in green infrastructure and to make ourselves more resilient, more adaptable, not just in terms of climate, but in terms of a better city.

1554
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:16,550
So I love the attitude we're seeing here, particularly from this side of the council.

1555
02:10:17,210 --> 02:10:22,750
No strategy is going to be perfect. No action plan is going to be 100% perfect.

1556
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:27,710
Let's move on with the right attitude. Let's support this and we'll all see the benefits.

1557
02:10:28,610 --> 02:10:30,690
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for your time.

1558
02:10:32,590 --> 02:10:33,990
Mr. Hammer.

1559
02:10:36,460 --> 02:10:40,200
And after Mr. Hammer is Steve Betley, please.

1560
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:44,340
Morning. Thank you, Chair.

1561
02:10:45,300 --> 02:10:49,860
So my name is Matt Hammer. I'm a Morton Rees Calgaryen.

1562
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:52,620
And I'm a law student here at the University of Calgary.

1563
02:10:52,620 --> 02:11:00,020
I, last time I spoke to Council was many years ago for imagining Calgary, and at that point

1564
02:11:00,020 --> 02:11:05,500
I was, I was heading off to University, the University of Victoria, and I said that

1565
02:11:05,500 --> 02:11:09,880
Calgary would have to win me back in response actually to a question from Council Ferro.

1566
02:11:10,820 --> 02:11:17,620
And I'm pleased and proud to say that Calgary has, with investments in livability and walkability,

1567
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:22,380
investments in environmental sustainability, Calgary has become a city that many young professionals

1568
02:11:22,380 --> 02:11:27,400
like myself are proud to call home and that's something that we all want to see continue.

1569
02:11:28,060 --> 02:11:32,700
We're all invested in having a city that has a strong economy,

1570
02:11:32,980 --> 02:11:35,120
that has a strong economy that extracts young workers.

1571
02:11:36,200 --> 02:11:41,920
And we recognize that my mom and dad both work in the oil and gas sector.

1572
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:48,480
My colleagues have summer positions and articleings positions in the oil and gas sector.

1573
02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:52,220
We recognize that, you know, this is a city deeply embedded in high carbon industries,

1574
02:11:52,220 --> 02:11:54,020
and the change is going to be hard.

1575
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:57,160
But we also recognize that the opportunities of change are immense.

1576
02:11:57,780 --> 02:12:08,720
You know, the $860,000 jobs figure quoted in the report for the net cost-neutral actions

1577
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:13,320
in the report is an impressive and inspiring figure.

1578
02:12:13,700 --> 02:12:17,040
And we should be inspired to think about what that future looks like and what the future

1579
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:22,280
economy of Calgary looks like. I'm also here as a member of the Climate Hub and of the Calgary Climate

1580
02:12:22,280 --> 02:12:27,560
Action Network. You've heard from a couple of our members already, and in the documents in

1581
02:12:27,560 --> 02:12:31,420
front of you, the three things that we think need to happen to make sure that this plan is

1582
02:12:31,420 --> 02:12:36,140
implemented in a way that actually gets us to where we need to go, that is we need strong targets

1583
02:12:36,140 --> 02:12:42,680
and concrete actions to meet those targets. We need a plan that is funded and staffed and we need

1584
02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:47,520
plan that's developed in open consultation with Calgarians. On that last point, I want to emphasize

1585
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:54,860
the actions that are going to get us to our targets are going to be actions that are undertaken

1586
02:12:54,860 --> 02:12:59,600
by industry and by the city itself, but also actions undertaken by all Calgarians. And we're not

1587
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:04,280
going to get buy-in from Calgarians on a plan and on actions that they're not involved in developing.

1588
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:13,140
And I think that the one area that particularly demonstrates all three kind of things that

1589
02:13:14,280 --> 02:13:18,440
the hub is asking for is looking at energy and building systems.

1590
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:24,520
As highlighted already by administration is one of the most important areas dealing with

1591
02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:24,860
the plan.

1592
02:13:25,460 --> 02:13:31,660
In particular, I want to look at the issue of pace, property assessed, clean energy, term many

1593
02:13:31,660 --> 02:13:32,680
of you might be familiar with.

1594
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:37,540
but that is missing from the plan, even considerations of it.

1595
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:42,760
As many of you are probably aware, build 10 passed on June 6th,

1596
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:46,100
supporting property-assessed clean energy in Alberta.

1597
02:13:47,700 --> 02:13:52,840
The city is probably already engaged in discussions with the province on

1598
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:54,500
the possibilities of these kinds of actions.

1599
02:13:56,300 --> 02:14:00,200
And I would like to speak for the plan, for the hub sorry,

1600
02:14:00,200 --> 02:14:03,740
in support of further consideration of property assessed clean energy.

1601
02:14:05,220 --> 02:14:09,320
For those who aren't aware, property assessed clean energy allows homeowners and potentially

1602
02:14:09,320 --> 02:14:16,260
others to install everything from solar panels to energy efficiency upgrades up front not

1603
02:14:16,260 --> 02:14:19,680
paying any of the costs and then having those costs assessed back in their property taxes.

1604
02:14:22,820 --> 02:14:29,080
The pace is a growing international phenomenon and has been shown to as much as double uptake

1605
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:33,780
of solar and other energy efficiency upgrades in other jurisdictions.

1606
02:14:35,800 --> 02:14:40,820
And it's also an opportunity for immense investment worldwide, and it would be a great opportunity

1607
02:14:40,820 --> 02:14:45,040
for Calgary to seize some of that investment in developing and supporting a kind of pace

1608
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:45,400
program.

1609
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:49,440
It's also an opportunity for the city to engage in programs which have little upfront

1610
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:50,300
and cost for them.

1611
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,540
And rolling them out would be, would be relatively easy in collaboration with the province.

1612
02:15:07,300 --> 02:15:13,880
If the city is going to pursue something like this, however, it must also be done in a way that is done that functions in consultation with Calgarians.

1613
02:15:14,360 --> 02:15:20,160
If you're targeting a program at residential homeowners, you need to know that they want this program that they're going to be able to use it.

1614
02:15:20,380 --> 02:15:27,060
And it needs to be developed in a way that is accountable to their needs and to meeting our targets, and that citizens are involved in that accountability measure.

1615
02:15:27,060 --> 02:15:32,920
And so it really rolls together all these ideas and is just one example of the kind of concrete

1616
02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:38,860
actions that we need to be moving forward with as a city to build a great city that I and

1617
02:15:38,860 --> 02:15:40,820
people like me want to continue to live in.

1618
02:15:41,540 --> 02:15:45,140
So unless there are any questions, that's my submissions.

1619
02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:48,360
Thank you, Councillor Ferrell has a question for you.

1620
02:15:49,120 --> 02:15:49,560
Thank you.

1621
02:15:49,600 --> 02:15:51,000
I just, I didn't catch your last name.

1622
02:15:51,740 --> 02:15:52,200
Matt Hammer.

1623
02:15:52,580 --> 02:15:52,800
Matt Hammer.

1624
02:15:53,400 --> 02:15:53,540
What?

1625
02:15:53,620 --> 02:15:55,840
It sounds like a, I don't know.

1626
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:57,700
Yeah, I had an alternative career in wrestling.

1627
02:15:58,160 --> 02:15:58,260
Yeah.

1628
02:15:59,320 --> 02:15:59,960
All right.

1629
02:16:00,120 --> 02:16:00,440
Thank you.

1630
02:16:00,660 --> 02:16:05,900
And I hear a lot of eagerness to participate.

1631
02:16:06,280 --> 02:16:08,880
And thank you for coming back to Calgary.

1632
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:10,080
Glad we won you back.

1633
02:16:10,540 --> 02:16:11,020
Yeah.

1634
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:12,940
Thank you.

1635
02:16:14,180 --> 02:16:14,840
Thank you.

1636
02:16:16,220 --> 02:16:18,100
Mr. Bansley.

1637
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:19,700
Steve is no longer here.

1638
02:16:20,060 --> 02:16:23,000
That might be a case with the number of the remaining.

1639
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:23,600
Thank you.

1640
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:29,980
Tim Leip, thank you and after Tim Leip is Stephanie Gagnon.

1641
02:16:38,570 --> 02:16:39,510
Is it Leip?

1642
02:16:40,010 --> 02:16:40,750
It's actually LIP.

1643
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:41,290
LIP.

1644
02:16:41,570 --> 02:16:41,690
Okay.

1645
02:16:41,950 --> 02:16:42,110
Thank you.

1646
02:16:43,490 --> 02:16:43,770
Yeah.

1647
02:16:44,010 --> 02:16:44,910
My name is Tim Leip.

1648
02:16:45,270 --> 02:16:49,270
I am a former social linguistic researcher in Nepal.

1649
02:16:50,130 --> 02:16:53,810
Recent business graduate from Merrill University and future CPA.

1650
02:16:55,110 --> 02:17:00,690
When I was in Nepal, one of the things I did was I hiked for over ten hours into a

1651
02:17:00,690 --> 02:17:09,770
a really remote community, and saw first hand some of the impacts of the massive landslides

1652
02:17:09,770 --> 02:17:10,570
they've experienced.

1653
02:17:11,690 --> 02:17:13,390
And I was there doing other research.

1654
02:17:13,770 --> 02:17:17,090
I used to be actually an ardent climate change denier.

1655
02:17:18,090 --> 02:17:22,430
I would spend hours and hours convincing people that climate change wasn't real, that it was

1656
02:17:22,430 --> 02:17:26,250
a lie that was made up, and something changed.

1657
02:17:26,250 --> 02:17:32,210
So now I spend hours and hours working on several different businesses bringing sustainable

1658
02:17:32,210 --> 02:17:37,610
products to consumers, products that help individuals save money, save time, and

1659
02:17:37,610 --> 02:17:38,290
to help the environment.

1660
02:17:39,250 --> 02:17:43,310
So I definitely see there being a lot of hope in the Serena.

1661
02:17:43,590 --> 02:17:46,970
I think it's going to be something that can be resolved.

1662
02:17:47,010 --> 02:17:52,110
It's going to take a lot of commitment, a lot of courage, and a lot of compassion to make

1663
02:17:52,110 --> 02:17:52,730
it come together.

1664
02:17:52,730 --> 02:18:04,170
But I think, like other people have said, there's going to be no perfect plan, but I believe that there is a strong will of intent from the council and from our leadership that it can be resolved well.

1665
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:06,610
So thanks for your commitment to do that.

1666
02:18:06,990 --> 02:18:07,710
Thank you for your time.

1667
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:10,310
I appreciate it. Stephanie Gagnon, please.

1668
02:18:11,890 --> 02:18:14,650
And after Stephanie is Andrea Hall, please.

1669
02:18:18,220 --> 02:18:18,500
Good morning.

1670
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:25,340
Good morning. So Stephanie Gagnon, this is both the personal and professional interest of mine having been involved in climate work.

1671
02:18:25,340 --> 02:18:31,160
In Calgary for over 20 years now, I hate to even see that, but anyway, my background does

1672
02:18:31,160 --> 02:18:35,800
involve being part of the Office of Sustainability, the City of Calgary, and also involves having

1673
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:39,460
been involved in the industry city work plan, and until recently the manager of community

1674
02:18:39,460 --> 02:18:43,860
planning and engagement for McLean you consulting. I've been involved in various initiatives

1675
02:18:43,860 --> 02:18:49,660
in the region, including raising awareness of how planning's impact relates to climate change.

1676
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:55,160
But while my professional experience is varied in this area, it's my personal one that I'm here

1677
02:18:55,160 --> 02:19:00,140
to speak about today. There are many, many of us know that lots of disasters and lots of

1678
02:19:00,140 --> 02:19:05,780
impacts in the natural environment are unavoidable, but it is for the ones that are avoidable

1679
02:19:05,780 --> 02:19:10,700
that we need to make a concentrated effort. Two personal examples have actually been raised

1680
02:19:10,700 --> 02:19:16,640
by others today. I have witnessed firsthand the Okanagan Firestorm in which my family personally

1681
02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:23,780
lost our home and saw the burden that that took in rebuilding. I also personally helped many

1682
02:19:23,780 --> 02:19:31,940
friends and family members emerge from the flooding of 2013. And so we talk about the financial

1683
02:19:31,940 --> 02:19:37,900
impacts of climate action. And we know the insurance companies are raising the agenda,

1684
02:19:38,060 --> 02:19:43,860
raising the dialogue globally around the financial costs. But I want us to remember that there are costs

1685
02:19:43,860 --> 02:19:49,900
that go far beyond. And they include community trauma and personal loss that can take many, many

1686
02:19:49,900 --> 02:19:50,960
years to overcome.

1687
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:56,890
On a much more rushed sort of less emotional side of things, I will also

1688
02:19:56,890 --> 02:20:02,590
a member of the working committee for the mitigation strategy. And I support this plan, no doubt.

1689
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:07,750
With all due respect to all of us who worked on it, administration and many other colleagues

1690
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:13,290
throughout the community, it is not the plan we deserve in 2018, but it is a starting place

1691
02:20:13,290 --> 02:20:20,390
for that work. The focus now must shift to implementation. It is a commitment that is lacking in the strategy.

1692
02:20:21,010 --> 02:20:25,950
The plan includes a soft set of recommendations with the expectation that actions will be

1693
02:20:25,950 --> 02:20:29,250
funded through the one Calgary business planning and budgeting process.

1694
02:20:30,390 --> 02:20:35,370
I encourage you to take a look and consider a stronger commitment to implementation in

1695
02:20:35,370 --> 02:20:38,430
the strategy so that it doesn't gather dust upon the shelf.

1696
02:20:39,070 --> 02:20:42,870
As a personal side, I think I have prevented trying to blow the dust off some of the past

1697
02:20:42,870 --> 02:20:43,290
versions.

1698
02:20:44,610 --> 02:20:49,530
I do want to note that some of the clauses here include having climate resilience criteria

1699
02:20:49,530 --> 02:20:55,550
in some capital planning as well as good timelines and budgets being included in the responses

1700
02:20:55,550 --> 02:21:00,490
that come back which is excellent. I would also suggest that perhaps a supplemental report

1701
02:21:00,490 --> 02:21:05,010
could come forward through the one Calgary process, identifying how the actions are being

1702
02:21:05,010 --> 02:21:09,410
recommended for inclusion by administration, and then following that with a report say six

1703
02:21:09,410 --> 02:21:14,770
months later to report on the funding commitments made by council. This then ties into the asks

1704
02:21:14,770 --> 02:21:19,810
from other members of the community that we lend layout the specific actions who specifically

1705
02:21:19,810 --> 02:21:23,750
in what departments are responsible for it, the funding, the timelines, and the deliverables.

1706
02:21:24,770 --> 02:21:27,570
So as I said, I support this plan and everything in it.

1707
02:21:27,930 --> 02:21:33,810
I also support the tremendous effort made by staff and community members in building this plan.

1708
02:21:34,330 --> 02:21:39,750
And I really want to thank you for the opportunity to speak to this and thank you for the opportunity to move forward.

1709
02:21:41,050 --> 02:21:46,110
Thank you. Thank you for your time. Miss Andrea Hall, please.

1710
02:21:48,700 --> 02:21:52,320
Not here? Okay. No, Kyok.

1711
02:21:52,780 --> 02:21:52,940
My

1712
02:21:58,190 --> 02:22:05,270
15 copies here. Okay. Thank you. Good morning. Thanks for coming.

1713
02:22:05,790 --> 02:22:12,870
My name is Noel Kyok. I'm here representing Sustainable Calgary Society. I'm a co-founder and current chair of the board.

1714
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:16,590
I also work in the faculty of environmental design and the University of Calgary.

1715
02:22:17,470 --> 02:22:19,890
I'm also a 2013 flood victim.

1716
02:22:20,130 --> 02:22:26,890
I had 60 water in my house that month and I should also say I work a lot in international development.

1717
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:35,010
So I have encountered many communities where in fact this climate change issue is actually killing people.

1718
02:22:35,130 --> 02:22:38,730
People are dying around the world because of what we're doing to the climate.

1719
02:22:40,290 --> 02:22:43,930
First of all, I would like to congratulate all the city staff that brought this report

1720
02:22:43,930 --> 02:22:44,370
together.

1721
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:47,790
It's been a pleasure to be a part of the consultation process over the past year.

1722
02:22:48,710 --> 02:22:53,730
I think we've had some really good conversations around that table with business and with industry

1723
02:22:53,730 --> 02:22:55,610
and with others who are around the table.

1724
02:22:56,390 --> 02:23:00,310
And I could say that I support all the actions proposed in the climate mitigation plan and

1725
02:23:00,310 --> 02:23:02,210
I hope it starts to go forward tomorrow.

1726
02:23:03,250 --> 02:23:06,150
What I would like to bring to the attention of the committee though are the areas the report

1727
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:10,190
that I would suggest need attention and strengthening. If there's one word, I would use

1728
02:23:10,190 --> 02:23:14,890
to describe the report, it would be timid. Though I support all the post-actions, I do not

1729
02:23:14,890 --> 02:23:18,610
think these actions are enough to confront the threat, the climate change poses, to the long-term

1730
02:23:18,610 --> 02:23:23,950
health, the vibrancy, prosperity, in other words, the sustainability of our city and the regional

1731
02:23:23,950 --> 02:23:29,850
global ecosystems that support us. I would like to raise seven critical issues that I see with

1732
02:23:29,850 --> 02:23:34,570
the report as it stands that I would like to propose and I've put recommendations in my written

1733
02:23:34,570 --> 02:23:37,810
assessment about how I think we could improve this as we move forward.

1734
02:23:37,970 --> 02:23:42,390
First of all, governance, the report states that work with industry to establish a climate

1735
02:23:42,390 --> 02:23:43,010
resilience group.

1736
02:23:43,470 --> 02:23:47,250
I think we've heard a lot already today that there is much more than industry that needs

1737
02:23:47,250 --> 02:23:50,750
to be part of the governance of this project, and right now the document doesn't support

1738
02:23:50,750 --> 02:23:53,770
that inclusion and think that I think in the way that it must.

1739
02:23:54,810 --> 02:23:58,050
The second point is around consumption-based emissions.

1740
02:23:58,050 --> 02:24:05,270
The report states that consumption emissions can as much as double the total community-wide GHG inventory.

1741
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:07,830
This is something that we talked about in the committee.

1742
02:24:08,730 --> 02:24:16,890
Essentially, what that statement says is that we are targeting, we're assuming that we can reach the target of 2050.

1743
02:24:17,850 --> 02:24:28,030
But we're leaving out half of the emissions of our city, that is the consumption emissions, everything that we buy, all the stuff in our homes, our vehicles, our homes, the exotic fruit that we buy.

1744
02:24:28,030 --> 02:24:32,550
from all around the world, the production of all of that stuff produces carbon dioxide,

1745
02:24:32,970 --> 02:24:35,490
none of those emissions are included in this report.

1746
02:24:36,010 --> 02:24:41,370
And that's why I think this is timid, and to suggest that these measures can reach

1747
02:24:41,370 --> 02:24:42,970
the targets is a little bit misleading.

1748
02:24:45,050 --> 02:24:50,790
The next thing that I think is important to highlight from the report and with regards to

1749
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:56,390
transportation, I think there's a little bit of a bias here towards engineering solutions

1750
02:24:56,390 --> 02:25:00,830
and particularly what we can do with the conversion to electrical vehicles and alternative fuels.

1751
02:25:01,390 --> 02:25:08,310
The report states that we can save 60 megatons by conversion of EV vehicles if I'm interpreting

1752
02:25:08,310 --> 02:25:12,670
it correctly and that all of the things that we can do with transit, with walking and with

1753
02:25:12,670 --> 02:25:16,090
biking are only going to give us about 2.3 megatons of savings.

1754
02:25:17,150 --> 02:25:20,810
That makes all of those things irrelevant in the sense of this report.

1755
02:25:21,010 --> 02:25:21,930
I don't believe that's true.

1756
02:25:21,930 --> 02:25:27,910
Just as a short exercise, what I did is I assumed what if we were able to reduce the amount

1757
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:31,570
of kilometers traveled in Calgary by 33% in the next 30 years?

1758
02:25:32,270 --> 02:25:34,110
That's not a heroic task.

1759
02:25:34,310 --> 02:25:38,490
That would actually bring us down to the number of kilometers that are traveled by the average

1760
02:25:38,490 --> 02:25:39,470
Scandinavian today.

1761
02:25:39,970 --> 02:25:45,770
If we were able to do that, that would achieve the same amount of reductions, approximately

1762
02:25:45,770 --> 02:25:46,690
60 megatons.

1763
02:25:46,690 --> 02:25:51,690
If we were able to reduce all of that travel to transit and biking and walking.

1764
02:25:52,070 --> 02:25:57,150
So I think there's a lot of work to be done there to pay more attention to active modes.

1765
02:25:58,290 --> 02:26:01,290
The next thing I would want to talk about is externalized costs.

1766
02:26:01,670 --> 02:26:06,390
And again, we've had meetings around the table, or discussions around the table about externalized

1767
02:26:06,390 --> 02:26:06,810
costs.

1768
02:26:07,290 --> 02:26:10,890
One of the most significant issues that I thought should be brought to the table isn't in

1769
02:26:10,890 --> 02:26:12,990
this analysis, is health care costs.

1770
02:26:12,990 --> 02:26:18,490
costs. This is the biggest tax item for Canadians when we look at all of our taxes across

1771
02:26:18,490 --> 02:26:26,090
the board. And the research is piling up very quickly to demonstrate that active lifestyles

1772
02:26:26,090 --> 02:26:31,350
can significantly reduce healthcare costs and significantly increase our quality of life

1773
02:26:31,350 --> 02:26:37,310
and our lifespans. One way, one important way to do that is to promote walking and biking

1774
02:26:37,310 --> 02:26:41,350
in the use of transit. None of those costs are included when they factor

1775
02:26:41,350 --> 02:26:46,710
Here, the relative costs of all of the actions that are proposed, again, a bias towards the

1776
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:48,230
automobile, really, in transportation.

1777
02:26:48,810 --> 02:26:50,910
I think that needs to be improved as we go forward.

1778
02:26:51,290 --> 02:26:55,650
Similarly, with land use planning, I think the assumptions that were made are quite timid

1779
02:26:55,650 --> 02:26:58,390
about the impact that can be made for land use.

1780
02:26:58,910 --> 02:27:02,630
Again, we're saying that 60 megatons can be saved by changing to electric vehicles.

1781
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:06,230
We're saying that seven megatons can be saved by land use planning.

1782
02:27:06,230 --> 02:27:13,370
And I think we have to be much more aggressive moving forward and advancing the MDP goals in terms of the

1783
02:27:13,370 --> 02:27:18,590
mention, the issue that was mentioned earlier around sprawl and another thing that isn't, doesn't seem to be.

1784
02:27:18,590 --> 02:27:20,170
I'm sorry your time is now up.

1785
02:27:20,370 --> 02:27:24,190
Okay, so those are five of the seven issues that I think are vitally important.

1786
02:27:24,530 --> 02:27:24,790
Thank you.

1787
02:27:25,770 --> 02:27:29,790
Our next speaker, oh, I'm sorry Miss, sorry, Councillor Farrell.

1788
02:27:29,790 --> 02:27:37,170
The thank you and the other, you had seven, could you describe them briefly,

1789
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:39,560
please?

1790
02:27:40,360 --> 02:27:45,520
I think the most, well, hard targets, I think that's already been mentioned by, for

1791
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:48,160
example, Mr. Vipon, that I would second what he has had to say.

1792
02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:58,260
And I think the Dr. Valentine has made an important point in terms of who has to be at the table.

1793
02:27:58,260 --> 02:28:11,120
And one of the recommendations that I'm making is that we need to put this report to a group of social scientists and civil society organizations to get their tape because the the discussions and the people around the table, I would I would

1794
02:28:12,760 --> 02:28:23,480
Characterize it is very technical engineering oriented discussions for the most part and I think there's a whole group of people can that can talk to our consumption habits and our behavior behavior change opportunities.

1795
02:28:24,560 --> 02:28:29,820
The spiritual aspect and the ethical consensus to make change all of those things I think

1796
02:28:29,820 --> 02:28:33,880
are missing and are vital to be at the table as we move forward with the governance

1797
02:28:33,880 --> 02:28:34,500
of this report.

1798
02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:36,580
Two excellent suggestions, thank you.

1799
02:28:37,900 --> 02:28:38,660
Thank you.

1800
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:48,800
Okay, we have Ms. Sonia Copra and then our last speaker, Mary Noclebi, I think it's pronounced.

1801
02:28:58,440 --> 02:28:58,660
Hi.

1802
02:28:58,880 --> 02:28:59,080
Good morning.

1803
02:28:59,560 --> 02:29:04,700
So I was hoping to get some technical help for this one because I have a video that I wanted to play

1804
02:29:05,380 --> 02:29:09,480
Is there someone who could help me out with that? He's coming down right now

1805
02:29:10,180 --> 02:29:14,560
We'll take a few minutes to set up. I guess if Mary Nicole Blee is here

1806
02:29:15,220 --> 02:29:21,480
If she could if you don't have anything technical and wanted to speak while they're setting that up that'd be okay

1807
02:29:22,100 --> 02:29:23,960
I'm not sure here. We'll find out

1808
02:29:23,960 --> 02:29:26,800
and hold it in your video on it.

1809
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:29,000
And use the stick we want to put it into that.

1810
02:29:29,740 --> 02:29:30,100
Okay.

1811
02:29:33,660 --> 02:29:35,780
Do you, can you run it or no?

1812
02:29:35,960 --> 02:29:36,100
No.

1813
02:29:36,400 --> 02:29:37,140
No, okay.

1814
02:29:37,280 --> 02:29:37,700
I'm sorry then.

1815
02:29:37,860 --> 02:29:38,800
Okay, please proceed.

1816
02:29:39,240 --> 02:29:39,300
Yep.

1817
02:29:39,820 --> 02:29:45,160
So my name is Sonja Chopra and I am a science teacher

1818
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:48,600
at Western Canada High School where I teach biology.

1819
02:29:49,140 --> 02:29:53,080
I also help to run the Environmental Club at my school.

1820
02:29:53,620 --> 02:29:56,500
I decided to pursue a career in teaching.

1821
02:30:00,430 --> 02:30:06,490
I wanted to make others aware of this issue and show them how they can make a difference. Often

1822
02:30:06,490 --> 02:30:11,970
times when I teach my students about the science behind climate change, they tell me that

1823
02:30:11,970 --> 02:30:17,290
they did not realize its impacts and they want to know what they can do to take action.

1824
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:23,570
That is why I believe that citizen engagement, public awareness, and community involvement

1825
02:30:23,570 --> 02:30:29,890
are key to the success of this plan. Our youth want to make a difference and they need

1826
02:30:29,890 --> 02:30:32,170
us to help show them how they can.

1827
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:38,570
My students made a video talking about how they feel about climate change and what they

1828
02:30:38,570 --> 02:30:44,810
thought about the climate resilience plan, but unfortunately this video, I cannot play

1829
02:30:44,810 --> 02:30:50,490
today so I'm going to post their video on social media and I would hope that all of you take

1830
02:30:50,490 --> 02:30:54,410
a look at it and hear their thoughts and feelings on this issue.

1831
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:55,550
Thank you.

1832
02:30:55,990 --> 02:30:57,230
Thank you for coming, Ms. Cooper.

1833
02:30:59,050 --> 02:31:09,970
Okay. I get I was told the individual wasn't here, but they are Chris Carroll, please. Sorry. And then because they were before and then the last speaker will be Mary.

1834
02:31:14,920 --> 02:31:16,440
Well, there's another one. Yeah.

1835
02:31:17,260 --> 02:31:18,620
Hi. Is this where I stand?

1836
02:31:19,700 --> 02:31:20,440
Pardon me? Yes.

1837
02:31:21,160 --> 02:31:22,440
Yeah, right where you are now.

1838
02:31:22,520 --> 02:31:27,120
Okay. I don't know how that happened because I've been sitting here the whole time and I never heard my name call.

1839
02:31:28,400 --> 02:31:32,660
It's kind of interesting almost being the last because I've had the chance to listen

1840
02:31:32,660 --> 02:31:36,640
to other people which is maybe going to change my acknowledgments.

1841
02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:38,280
My name is Chris Carroll.

1842
02:31:39,220 --> 02:31:45,260
I live within the Confederation Creek catchment, specifically within the Highland Park area

1843
02:31:45,260 --> 02:31:50,540
which is part of the Confederation Valley which contains former golf course lands.

1844
02:31:52,540 --> 02:31:58,200
I found out about this meeting from the Calgary Climate Action Group, and I'd like to acknowledge

1845
02:31:58,200 --> 02:31:58,560
that.

1846
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:06,020
I agree that more citizen imprint is needed, and I hope that consular feral's encouragement

1847
02:32:06,020 --> 02:32:09,080
in that direction will be followed up upon by consul.

1848
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:17,760
I also agree with the consular conduct, over there, that right practices is the most important

1849
02:32:17,760 --> 02:32:25,580
thing to consider in anything. And the gentleman from Britain, who's now on

1850
02:32:25,580 --> 02:32:29,520
Calgary, who said to the effect that the support, the spirit of the document is

1851
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:35,000
what is important. Therefore, he supports the document I totally agree with

1852
02:32:35,000 --> 02:32:42,200
also. For my purposes, I'm going to refer to the climate adaption action plan

1853
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:47,820
for some quotes that support my feelings on the matter.

1854
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:58,600
So many, I believe it was from Stepper Holmes, said he wasn't sure of the definition of a natural infrastructure,

1855
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:02,740
which the city calls the root of resilience, which I also agree with.

1856
02:33:03,180 --> 02:33:07,940
And I think Infra Instructure Canada has identified what they are, that's good enough for me.

1857
02:33:07,940 --> 02:33:13,900
I also think an existing creek is a natural asset, even if covered over with concrete

1858
02:33:13,900 --> 02:33:19,520
or rerouted in pipe as was in the building boom in so many cities in North America.

1859
02:33:21,140 --> 02:33:21,360
Okay.

1860
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:28,780
Natural assets, a move about this, are better able to self-adapt changes in Calgary's climate

1861
02:33:28,780 --> 02:33:30,220
than heart infrastructure.

1862
02:33:31,580 --> 02:33:31,740
Okay.

1863
02:33:32,440 --> 02:33:37,380
Protecting and maximizing the use of these natural assets can offer offset costly investments

1864
02:33:37,380 --> 02:33:38,960
and new hard infrastructure.

1865
02:33:39,620 --> 02:33:44,620
Helping Calgary efficiently manage the risk of increasingly intense storm and flooding.

1866
02:33:45,780 --> 02:33:49,940
Now, for members of the Calgary Action Group that have said that there are soft

1867
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:55,180
recommendations, this perfectly ties in this document.

1868
02:33:55,400 --> 02:33:59,160
What they're saying about stormwater management, what they're saying about natural

1869
02:33:59,160 --> 02:34:05,100
infrastructure, with the Calgary reneged, regional drainage study that they just did,

1870
02:34:05,100 --> 02:34:10,580
They have an option for as a recommendation which recommends certain things.

1871
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:18,840
Sorry, I don't speak to large groups very often, so I'm a little nervous here.

1872
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:25,820
The City of Calgary is already taking action to protect the community's most vulnerable

1873
02:34:25,820 --> 02:34:32,220
to major flooding and is working with the province to explore upstream water storage.

1874
02:34:32,220 --> 02:34:38,700
In 2017, the disability submitted an inquiry to enable Alberta environments and parks to

1875
02:34:38,700 --> 02:34:44,080
get clarity on the potential for public lands claim along the historic reaches of Confederation

1876
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:44,420
Creek.

1877
02:34:45,080 --> 02:34:51,160
In November of 2017, the city received an email stating this water feature is indeed crown

1878
02:34:51,160 --> 02:34:54,060
owned under Section 3 of the Public Lands Act.

1879
02:34:54,900 --> 02:35:00,780
The crown land owned includes the portions of the former HPC golf course lands, confirmation

1880
02:35:00,780 --> 02:35:04,620
from ADP will be required to clarify what uses are claimed.

1881
02:35:05,360 --> 02:35:10,920
This acknowledges that the public land acts is indeed under best practice.

1882
02:35:12,260 --> 02:35:19,020
And it also kind of goes with their stormwater management priority page,

1883
02:35:22,410 --> 02:35:27,110
which says include

1884
02:35:27,110 --> 02:35:33,650
climate change impacts, this is under highlighted actions, participating business unit will be

1885
02:35:33,650 --> 02:35:39,350
water resources include climate action impacts in the development of the storm water management

1886
02:35:39,350 --> 02:35:46,750
strategy and implementation planning to guide water management development and redevelopment

1887
02:35:46,750 --> 02:35:54,490
areas which we all know. The old areas of town are prone to flooding. Clear and simple.

1888
02:35:54,490 --> 02:35:55,550
In

1889
02:35:59,900 --> 02:36:07,640
conclusion, I'd like to read the priority statement that was in the document.

1890
02:36:10,700 --> 02:36:11,740
Why is it a priority?

1891
02:36:17,720 --> 02:36:22,380
The implications of long-term changes to water supply and demand will need to be assessed

1892
02:36:22,380 --> 02:36:27,920
for management of storm water and for operating water and waste water treatments plants.

1893
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:34,540
Given the risks of reduced water supply during periods of peak demand, policies and programs

1894
02:36:34,540 --> 02:36:41,760
to manage water demand across the entire Bo River watershed must be reassessed for future

1895
02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:46,260
climate conditions, okay, over the long term.

1896
02:36:46,820 --> 02:36:47,860
Mr. Carol, I'm sorry.

1897
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:53,460
Before this is, this is, this is in practice, this is starting to be done and I am grateful

1898
02:36:53,460 --> 02:36:54,640
to Council for doing it.

1899
02:36:55,000 --> 02:36:56,560
Okay, thank you, thank you for coming.

1900
02:36:57,100 --> 02:37:01,560
Before we proceed, I need common consensus that we will listen.

1901
02:37:01,960 --> 02:37:07,560
We have two speakers left, and then we would be able to close the public hearing part

1902
02:37:07,560 --> 02:37:10,060
of this section if we can get agreement, all in favor.

1903
02:37:10,940 --> 02:37:12,980
Extend our lunch break to then.

1904
02:37:14,620 --> 02:37:19,360
Is anybody not on the list other than the two, that's Mary and Lloyd Schuert.

1905
02:37:20,260 --> 02:37:21,640
You're also would like to speak.

1906
02:37:23,040 --> 02:37:24,400
So now that becomes three.

1907
02:37:24,400 --> 02:37:28,160
So two more put their hands up now.

1908
02:37:29,080 --> 02:37:31,080
Okay, well that changes everything then.

1909
02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:35,420
So we will have to come to after lunch.

1910
02:37:35,560 --> 02:37:42,880
I'm afraid so we will adjourn for lunch and be back at 101.

1911
02:37:43,320 --> 02:37:44,380
Sorry, 105.

1912
03:40:48,940 --> 03:41:02,300
Okay, we're back. There are going to be some quorum issues later on, so we are going to put a motion up on the screen, momentarily.

1913
03:41:22,230 --> 03:41:22,910
Okay.

1914
03:41:22,910 --> 03:41:22,970
Okay.

1915
03:41:25,250 --> 03:41:31,470
The motion is the following reports before it to the 2018 June 25th Regular Meeting of Council.

1916
03:41:32,130 --> 03:41:39,890
There are some important in-camera items that would benefit ashy of Council being there regardless.

1917
03:41:40,690 --> 03:41:44,550
So all in favor of moving the reports forward?

1918
03:41:45,280 --> 03:41:48,610
Agree? Opposed? Excellent. Thank you.

1919
03:41:48,610 --> 03:41:57,170
so we need. Okay, we'll begin with Mary. So you have to wait during that gap. Thanks for

1920
03:41:57,170 --> 03:41:57,730
hanging around.

1921
03:42:01,740 --> 03:42:07,360
Do I work alongside this fellow? You betcha. Okay. Thank you. Good afternoon.

1922
03:42:07,780 --> 03:42:15,020
Good afternoon. My name is Mary Nunkelby. I'm a retired teacher and educator, but I'm here primarily in

1923
03:42:15,020 --> 03:42:21,420
the role that I think is most important for all of us. I'm here as a citizen and I'm not particularly

1924
03:42:21,420 --> 03:42:27,920
here as a citizen of Calgary. I'm here as a citizen of the planet. And I want to reinforce

1925
03:42:27,920 --> 03:42:36,740
some of what other speakers have said about the need for citizen engagement. And that

1926
03:42:36,740 --> 03:42:42,520
citizen engagement, for me, I would like to see it really focus strongly on the implementers

1927
03:42:42,520 --> 03:42:52,460
and the early adapters. We have had solar since March of 2010. It cost us nearly 40,000

1928
03:42:52,460 --> 03:43:00,340
to install 4.2 kilowatts of solar. We were told that that time that it wasn't good enough

1929
03:43:00,340 --> 03:43:01,300
bang for our buck,

1930
03:43:03,600 --> 03:43:07,420
which outraged me because I wasn't in it for the money. I have five

1931
03:43:07,420 --> 03:43:13,400
grandchildren. We were more expensive than it might have been because we didn't want

1932
03:43:13,400 --> 03:43:18,560
Chinese panels. We wanted Canadian panels if possible, that not being possible. We got American.

1933
03:43:20,300 --> 03:43:25,360
And we got panels that we could monitor. We are told every month what we have produced

1934
03:43:25,360 --> 03:43:28,940
and we can check on every one of our panels to make sure they're up and running.

1935
03:43:29,960 --> 03:43:35,180
We did that because we wanted to be a demonstration spot for people who were considering solar.

1936
03:43:35,420 --> 03:43:39,440
And we thought that solar was going to be coming on very quickly because we understood the climate

1937
03:43:39,440 --> 03:43:45,960
science. After we read Herman Scheer's solar economy, we knew that it could be done and

1938
03:43:45,960 --> 03:43:51,320
that it had to be done. Last year, discovering that the NDP government

1939
03:43:51,320 --> 03:43:58,580
had put in a 30 percent rebate, we solarized with an additional 5.58 kilowatts.

1940
03:44:00,140 --> 03:44:09,080
We got 5.58 kilowatts for 16,000. Less than half for more panels. And the panels are

1941
03:44:09,080 --> 03:44:12,760
more efficient so they are producing three times what our original panels produce.

1942
03:44:14,560 --> 03:44:20,020
We've had this in place the full nearly 10 kilowatt since the middle of May.

1943
03:44:20,640 --> 03:44:23,880
We are going to exceed megawatt a month.

1944
03:44:25,060 --> 03:44:27,200
And that is just one small house.

1945
03:44:28,600 --> 03:44:33,400
Please there are more people out there who would be willing to do this if they knew how doable

1946
03:44:33,400 --> 03:44:34,100
it is.

1947
03:44:34,240 --> 03:44:35,840
It's a simple technology.

1948
03:44:35,840 --> 03:44:39,980
Your biggest worry are pigeons on your roof for God's sake.

1949
03:44:40,800 --> 03:44:46,260
And we can handle that and with all the news of what's coming we may want to eat those pigeons before long anyway.

1950
03:44:47,920 --> 03:44:49,840
So get us involved.

1951
03:45:00,210 --> 03:45:06,670
Did it? But you need to get that information out there. Calgary needs to support the Solarization

1952
03:45:06,670 --> 03:45:12,690
Plan to the point where no matter who is government in one year, they can't end a program

1953
03:45:12,690 --> 03:45:17,850
that makes every kind of sense. And it is going to engage more and more and more of us.

1954
03:45:17,950 --> 03:45:24,730
And there's one last thing, NMAX. Last summer, we produced four times the electricity we

1955
03:45:24,730 --> 03:45:31,230
used. They're still charging us. Do you know what they're charging us for? I think it's

1956
03:45:31,230 --> 03:45:38,170
for sending us a bill and for using those power lines that our tax dollars built. I would

1957
03:45:38,170 --> 03:45:44,950
like to see NMAX consider feed-in tariffs. I'll pay you guys when we use your power, but

1958
03:45:44,950 --> 03:45:50,370
when you use ours, say thank you to those of us who are early adapters and give us at

1959
03:45:50,370 --> 03:45:52,170
at least a two-for-one feed-in tariff.

1960
03:45:52,950 --> 03:45:55,070
That's all it would take to get a whole lot more solar

1961
03:45:55,070 --> 03:45:56,050
on the roofs of Calgary.

1962
03:45:56,510 --> 03:45:58,570
And when you get those solar on the roofs of Calgary,

1963
03:45:58,990 --> 03:45:59,870
people are going to follow,

1964
03:46:00,250 --> 03:46:02,530
because Calgarians are terrible trenders, right?

1965
03:46:03,570 --> 03:46:07,550
So, whatever you can do, one last thing, water.

1966
03:46:08,230 --> 03:46:09,730
We need water, catchment plans

1967
03:46:09,730 --> 03:46:13,190
that every individual citizen can involve themselves in.

1968
03:46:13,850 --> 03:46:16,090
We killed our lawn, we have an organic garden,

1969
03:46:16,650 --> 03:46:18,730
and all kinds of, we're by the foothills hospital,

1970
03:46:18,730 --> 03:46:24,890
So reams of water run down our alley every time there's a rain we'd like to divert it into our soil a little hold the water

1971
03:46:25,510 --> 03:46:32,030
But we'd like a program where the city told us how to do it legally rather than sneaking around trying to make a trench behind your back

1972
03:46:33,330 --> 03:46:35,170
So programs that involve

1973
03:46:37,110 --> 03:46:40,690
Citizens we need more of them and we need them fast. Thank you

1974
03:46:42,030 --> 03:46:42,970
Thank you very much

1975
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Very interesting counsel to mom

1976
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Now, because I have to do this as a question, would it interest you to know that it's not

1977
03:46:52,810 --> 03:46:57,370
N-MAX's decision as to whether to do a feed-in tariff or not, it actually is a provincial

1978
03:46:57,370 --> 03:47:04,390
regulation that has to be decided and pushed through the provincial body, it is not an N-MAX

1979
03:47:04,390 --> 03:47:04,830
choice.

1980
03:47:05,650 --> 03:47:07,590
But N-MAX is lobbying for it?

1981
03:47:08,210 --> 03:47:10,050
Well, it's actually up to you guys.

1982
03:47:10,510 --> 03:47:14,130
It's up to us to lobby for it because it's a provincial decision.

1983
03:47:14,130 --> 03:47:18,190
it's a provincial choice and there are tax dollars that could be at stake.

1984
03:47:19,410 --> 03:47:25,770
Furthermore would it interest you to know that the wires that you're talking about that

1985
03:47:25,770 --> 03:47:30,570
are paid for by taxpayers dollars are not actually paid for by taxpayer dollars.

1986
03:47:31,030 --> 03:47:38,410
They're paid for by end max and then recouped on your bill for the next 10, 20 whatever years

1987
03:47:38,410 --> 03:47:42,950
is determined properly on one of the rate-riders that are on the bottom.

1988
03:47:43,670 --> 03:47:50,150
But that would only be true for Wires built since the privatization plan the client put

1989
03:47:50,150 --> 03:47:50,850
in, would it not?

1990
03:47:51,710 --> 03:47:56,870
I mean, up to the time of privatizing electricity, it was a crown corporation.

1991
03:47:57,450 --> 03:48:01,430
So I believe that crown corporations were funded by tax dollars.

1992
03:48:01,850 --> 03:48:07,130
And that's a sense in which I mean that a large part of our electrical grid was built

1993
03:48:07,130 --> 03:48:13,770
by citizens such as myself, and now, no matter how much we do, to turn the climate

1994
03:48:13,770 --> 03:48:22,110
thing around, we still get to pay some central body for the, it's only $40, $50 a month.

1995
03:48:22,690 --> 03:48:28,670
Can I, can I, what, can I, would it interest you to know that actually the transmission

1996
03:48:28,670 --> 03:48:33,850
and the distribution charges that are on there are actually costs that are incurred

1997
03:48:33,850 --> 03:48:39,350
to actually transmit the electricity from point A to point B and then to distribute it to all

1998
03:48:39,350 --> 03:48:43,470
of the different households. There are costs involved and that's what those transmission and

1999
03:48:43,470 --> 03:48:48,170
distribution costs are. The rate riders are what pays for the actual structures that are built

2000
03:48:48,170 --> 03:48:53,970
granted as you say since 2000 or 1999 since it was privatized. So that's how the breakdown works.

2001
03:48:54,230 --> 03:49:01,990
It isn't out of the blue. There are all sorts of eyes being dotted and tees being crossed to make

2002
03:49:01,990 --> 03:49:07,230
sure that there are no excess charges being charged on your electricity bill that aren't

2003
03:49:07,230 --> 03:49:12,890
actually backed up by numerous binders and binders of papers that have to go through the,

2004
03:49:13,430 --> 03:49:20,210
I get wrong, AUC, ACU, MOUS, one of those letters is where they actually follow through all of this.

2005
03:49:20,870 --> 03:49:23,710
Could you explain something else to me, perhaps, Councillor?

2006
03:49:25,050 --> 03:49:31,890
How is it that those charges are greater than the actual cost of the electricity? That is something

2007
03:49:31,890 --> 03:49:38,230
that we find really mind-boggling because we're not using any electricity.

2008
03:49:39,250 --> 03:49:40,050
We're giving you some.

2009
03:49:42,030 --> 03:49:54,170
It's kind of like saying the fee that you pay for transit, the cost of your seat is way

2010
03:49:54,170 --> 03:49:58,050
less than the cost of the entire LRT train.

2011
03:49:58,810 --> 03:50:00,690
Yes, that seat didn't cost much.

2012
03:50:00,690 --> 03:50:03,930
But the entire system costs a great deal.

2013
03:50:05,190 --> 03:50:06,650
Does that make it reasonable in that way?

2014
03:50:06,890 --> 03:50:07,730
It does help.

2015
03:50:08,710 --> 03:50:10,490
And I'm, thank you for coming forward.

2016
03:50:10,530 --> 03:50:14,690
I still think we should move on feet and tariffs because we would like to be, well,

2017
03:50:14,750 --> 03:50:16,730
we may be wanting to go off grid.

2018
03:50:17,310 --> 03:50:18,030
So that's another.

2019
03:50:18,590 --> 03:50:23,330
And I encourage you to write your MLA and get your friends and relatives to write your MLA's

2020
03:50:23,330 --> 03:50:25,090
because it is a provincial decision.

2021
03:50:25,430 --> 03:50:25,650
Okay.

2022
03:50:25,790 --> 03:50:26,230
Thank you very much.

2023
03:50:26,250 --> 03:50:26,550
Thank you.

2024
03:50:28,350 --> 03:50:29,590
That was very enlightening.

2025
03:50:29,590 --> 03:50:31,010
Thank you, Councillor Farrell.

2026
03:50:33,360 --> 03:50:34,000
Oh, okay.

2027
03:50:34,460 --> 03:50:34,680
Great.

2028
03:50:35,340 --> 03:50:36,680
Lloyd Stewart clicks.

2029
03:50:42,950 --> 03:50:43,530
Thank you very much.

2030
03:50:43,590 --> 03:50:46,570
I've got copies of a letter here for Councillors.

2031
03:50:47,750 --> 03:50:50,690
My name is Lloyd Sue Sham, the Executive Director of Boma Calgary.

2032
03:50:51,410 --> 03:50:55,510
Before I get started, I just want to thank the Administration for the opportunity to participate

2033
03:50:55,510 --> 03:51:00,250
in stakeholder sessions for this plan, and in particular, I want to thank Claire Beckstead

2034
03:51:00,250 --> 03:51:04,130
for her work on this initiative and a really collaborative stakeholder process that informed

2035
03:51:04,130 --> 03:51:04,350
it.

2036
03:51:07,880 --> 03:51:12,200
Boma Calgary is an offer-profit industry association representing the commercial real estate ownership

2037
03:51:12,200 --> 03:51:14,640
and management sector in Calgary and southern Alberta.

2038
03:51:15,660 --> 03:51:19,220
While commercial buildings are significant contributors to greenhouse gas emissions as

2039
03:51:19,220 --> 03:51:24,580
the plant points out, we also believe that commercial real estate professionals understand

2040
03:51:24,580 --> 03:51:29,620
the importance of GHD emissions and have been actually taking voluntary measures to mitigate

2041
03:51:29,620 --> 03:51:31,900
it for over a decade, so we're excited to share that story.

2042
03:51:33,420 --> 03:51:36,760
And our members care for, I think, three important reasons.

2043
03:51:37,060 --> 03:51:41,280
The first is that electricity, heating and cooling are key cost drivers for commercial

2044
03:51:41,280 --> 03:51:48,240
buildings, making the reduction of their use, making the reduction of their use, it's

2045
03:51:48,240 --> 03:51:51,000
a valuable cost reduction in a competitive marketplace.

2046
03:51:51,500 --> 03:51:54,360
So we see this being taken up as is.

2047
03:51:54,960 --> 03:51:59,380
Second, as public awareness of climate change and energy efficiency increases, tenants and

2048
03:51:59,380 --> 03:52:03,460
perspective tenants are increasingly beginning to put an emphasis on their workplaces being

2049
03:52:03,460 --> 03:52:05,720
sustainable, so you see this through the leasing process.

2050
03:52:06,560 --> 03:52:10,380
And finally, in my opinion, most importantly, commercial real estate professionals are

2051
03:52:10,380 --> 03:52:14,160
residents of their local communities, and they care about ensuring a high quality of life

2052
03:52:14,160 --> 03:52:17,120
for future generations their meaningful action on climate change.

2053
03:52:17,980 --> 03:52:21,820
So Boma Calgary contributed to the development of this plan primarily through the building

2054
03:52:21,820 --> 03:52:23,260
and energy systems working group.

2055
03:52:23,940 --> 03:52:27,760
Discussion centered on policies and tools that were not just effective in mitigating the

2056
03:52:27,760 --> 03:52:31,400
environmental impact, but could be done so at a cost that was attainable for all

2057
03:52:31,400 --> 03:52:32,900
calgarians and businesses.

2058
03:52:33,820 --> 03:52:37,400
Boma Calgary emphasized that there are many paths to reaching the ideal state and that

2059
03:52:37,400 --> 03:52:40,100
a long-term plan must recognize this and ensure flexibility.

2060
03:52:40,920 --> 03:52:44,880
And with that in mind, we're pleased to see that the final plan is not overly prescriptive

2061
03:52:44,880 --> 03:52:46,380
on particular mitigation measures.

2062
03:52:46,460 --> 03:52:50,960
I think a previous speaker said we choose targets but not technologies and I think that's

2063
03:52:50,960 --> 03:52:51,240
prudent.

2064
03:52:52,080 --> 03:52:56,220
So while the plan is extensive, I'll limit my comments to the areas of immediate importance

2065
03:52:56,220 --> 03:53:01,260
to our sector. The first and most important one is commercial building benchmarking.

2066
03:53:01,680 --> 03:53:06,440
As a local delivery partner for BOMA Best, which is a maiden Canada voluntary benchmarking

2067
03:53:06,440 --> 03:53:11,080
and certification program for existing buildings, we are particularly interested in the discussions

2068
03:53:11,080 --> 03:53:16,580
on this. We believe that benchmarking is an essential and low cost tool to improving a building's

2069
03:53:16,580 --> 03:53:21,700
environmental performance. And based on our experience with BOMA Best, we've seen that the true

2070
03:53:21,700 --> 03:53:26,440
strength is the ability for continual improvement. Buildings are scored, verified, and grant

2071
03:53:26,440 --> 03:53:30,900
a certification level, but that application in the process behind it becomes an important

2072
03:53:30,900 --> 03:53:36,420
management tool that guides management on gaps to be addressed prior to recertification.

2073
03:53:37,040 --> 03:53:41,260
What we've seen is the 27% of buildings achieved that higher level upon recertification,

2074
03:53:42,000 --> 03:53:47,620
and a few other notable stats are the bone-best certified building to consume 8% less energy and 30%

2075
03:53:47,620 --> 03:53:52,700
less water than the Canadian average. So, this, it successes a voluntary, as a voluntary

2076
03:53:52,700 --> 03:53:57,380
program, TAS is strong evidence that benchmarking can be an effective tool in combating climate

2077
03:53:57,380 --> 03:54:01,980
change here in Calgary. In our view, the process of measuring and studying a building's performance

2078
03:54:01,980 --> 03:54:06,840
is a necessary first step in identifying where those improvements can be made. And for that reason,

2079
03:54:06,980 --> 03:54:11,700
Boma Calgary is supportive of action 2.2 that calls for the development of commercial building

2080
03:54:11,700 --> 03:54:16,820
benchmarking in Calgary. However, we will say there's important principles that need to be reflected

2081
03:54:16,820 --> 03:54:22,020
in the program to ensure success, first the purpose of the program should not the primary

2082
03:54:22,020 --> 03:54:24,020
purpose should not be the name and shame buildings.

2083
03:54:24,720 --> 03:54:28,780
Benchmarking is best seen as a tool that actually provides valuable information to building

2084
03:54:28,780 --> 03:54:33,100
management as opposed to a stick that is used by policymakers to force compliance.

2085
03:54:33,940 --> 03:54:37,200
Second an effective benchmarking program only compares like buildings.

2086
03:54:37,680 --> 03:54:42,920
Commercial buildings have numerous disparities, age size being probably the primary ones,

2087
03:54:42,920 --> 03:54:46,240
and all of these impact what energy savings can be realized.

2088
03:54:47,120 --> 03:54:51,160
So careful thought must be given to these disparities before requiring reporting.

2089
03:54:52,140 --> 03:54:55,480
And finally commercial buildings operate in a competitive environment with certain data

2090
03:54:55,480 --> 03:54:56,380
being kept confidential.

2091
03:54:56,720 --> 03:55:01,600
So we would recommend that any program be the product of extensive consultation that establishes

2092
03:55:01,600 --> 03:55:06,740
what that information to be disclosed is, as well as an accepted methodology to interpret it.

2093
03:55:07,380 --> 03:55:11,260
So we've seen the benchmark is improved building performance in Calgary on a voluntary basis,

2094
03:55:11,260 --> 03:55:18,980
But there are thousands of buildings that could see benefit and could contribute to the city's target of an 80% GHD reduction by 2050.

2095
03:55:19,860 --> 03:55:23,560
The second piece is energy performance standards.

2096
03:55:23,560 --> 03:55:30,060
Throughout the stakeholder process, there's plenty of discussion on how building codes can be amended to actually enhance the sustainability in the building sector.

2097
03:55:30,920 --> 03:55:36,020
Boma Calgary would be supportive of measures that enable a more sustainable built environment through the building code.

2098
03:55:36,600 --> 03:55:40,220
However, we believe that any changes should be considered on a province wide basis.

2099
03:55:40,220 --> 03:55:50,080
Our industry operates across multiple jurisdictions and a patchwork of building codes across Alberta will increase the costs complexity and uncertainty of starting or growing a business in Calgary.

2100
03:55:50,880 --> 03:55:56,540
In conclusion, the climate resilient strategy and action plan is an important first step in building greener Calgary.

2101
03:55:57,000 --> 03:56:03,800
It is an aspirational plan with a clear target and an outline of a plan on how to achieve them, but we know that this alone will not be enough.

2102
03:56:04,300 --> 03:56:09,340
In many of the proposed actions, including benchmarking, the most complex work is yet to be done.

2103
03:56:09,340 --> 03:56:15,000
As well, some of the proposed changes represent a significant shift in the environment that our industry operates in.

2104
03:56:15,420 --> 03:56:19,560
This makes continued collaboration with industry stakeholder as an integral piece of the action plan.

2105
03:56:20,280 --> 03:56:25,460
And our view of prerequisite for achieving the plan's goals without resulting in unintended consequences.

2106
03:56:25,900 --> 03:56:30,480
So with that, thank you for the opportunity to contribute, and we look forward to working with the city on the specific action items.

2107
03:56:30,980 --> 03:56:31,720
Great, thank you.

2108
03:56:33,280 --> 03:56:36,180
Is there anybody else from the gallery that would like to speak?

2109
03:56:38,320 --> 03:56:38,940
Please come.

2110
03:56:38,940 --> 03:56:45,880
Oh, so two left. Okay. I saw you put your hand up first there. So we'll go there and then you

2111
03:56:45,880 --> 03:56:47,200
would be glad. Thank you.

2112
03:56:52,810 --> 03:56:58,130
Good afternoon. Good afternoon. Thanks for squeezing me in. My name's

2113
03:56:58,130 --> 03:57:03,150
Natalie and I'm an urban resilience consultant here in the city and I primarily focus on the

2114
03:57:03,150 --> 03:57:09,330
way built form and neighborhood organization and the elements in neighborhoods can support

2115
03:57:09,330 --> 03:57:13,190
support or undermine resilience specifically to extreme weather events.

2116
03:57:14,030 --> 03:57:15,890
So this is the approach that I come from.

2117
03:57:16,370 --> 03:57:21,550
And so I'm really happy to see this report coming from Council and not Council, not you people.

2118
03:57:22,090 --> 03:57:24,110
Admin, they've done an amazing job.

2119
03:57:25,110 --> 03:57:30,410
My biggest concern within this report centers on adaptation.

2120
03:57:31,550 --> 03:57:39,170
And the fact that the way we organize our city is not terribly efficient.

2121
03:57:39,170 --> 03:57:42,790
in terms of not just how we mitigate damage,

2122
03:57:43,270 --> 03:57:47,530
but also how we can possibly operate during disruptions.

2123
03:57:47,930 --> 03:57:50,870
So as we saw in the winter with a lot of snow,

2124
03:57:51,130 --> 03:57:53,730
if we don't have things that are close

2125
03:57:53,730 --> 03:57:55,630
and this becomes a land use issue,

2126
03:57:55,770 --> 03:57:59,270
if we don't have things that are within a reasonable proximity,

2127
03:57:59,990 --> 03:58:01,990
then we actually can't walk to them.

2128
03:58:02,150 --> 03:58:04,510
And so when we organize our neighborhoods

2129
03:58:04,510 --> 03:58:06,230
and the things that are in neighborhoods,

2130
03:58:06,230 --> 03:58:11,650
goods, then we actually have to think about things like, you know, how much of the percentage

2131
03:58:11,650 --> 03:58:14,910
of the surface area is permeable to absorb stormwater?

2132
03:58:15,210 --> 03:58:17,030
And how many street trees do we have?

2133
03:58:17,170 --> 03:58:23,030
And do we even have space for street trees that can cast shadows on paved surfaces to mitigate

2134
03:58:23,030 --> 03:58:28,350
urban heat island to lower energy consumption in the summer, right?

2135
03:58:28,610 --> 03:58:30,410
So we don't have to crank up our air conditioners.

2136
03:58:30,490 --> 03:58:32,830
Are we paving our back alleys because we don't like dust?

2137
03:58:32,830 --> 03:58:36,830
because that's not a pro adaptation move.

2138
03:58:37,510 --> 03:58:43,870
So I think if I had one suggestion for this report, is A, I love it, B, it needs some

2139
03:58:43,870 --> 03:58:50,090
sort of legislative background because at the moment our entire city has been built

2140
03:58:50,790 --> 03:58:56,170
basically by developers and these people only examine their construction and their development

2141
03:58:56,170 --> 03:58:57,930
through a lens of profit.

2142
03:58:57,930 --> 03:59:05,050
and what we have now is a different lens we have to examine things with and I guess I'm hoping

2143
03:59:05,050 --> 03:59:11,230
that this is the first step to actually giving a bit of teeth to to admin and to see

2144
03:59:12,690 --> 03:59:17,690
planning and development listed as the people who are responsible for a lot of these mitigation and

2145
03:59:17,690 --> 03:59:24,990
adaptation issues. I see a lot of water resources, I see a lot of parks and emergency management but I

2146
03:59:24,990 --> 03:59:27,010
I think we also need to see a lot of planning

2147
03:59:27,510 --> 03:59:30,590
and the planning department and the livable streets people

2148
03:59:31,230 --> 03:59:35,530
actually take more active role in sort of chipping away

2149
03:59:35,530 --> 03:59:36,950
because it's a nickel and dime thing.

2150
03:59:37,210 --> 03:59:39,830
Resilience is nickel and dime, literally and figuratively.

2151
03:59:40,650 --> 03:59:41,130
Thank you.

2152
03:59:41,730 --> 03:59:44,570
Thank you very much, very interesting.

2153
03:59:45,810 --> 03:59:48,410
Okay is there anybody else who'd like to come up and speak?

2154
03:59:50,030 --> 03:59:50,750
Thank you.

2155
04:00:04,020 --> 04:00:12,420
I have arranged a video with the attack, if it would be time to show it at the end. I'd appreciate it if you would be there.

2156
04:00:12,420 --> 04:00:24,800
As long as it's part of the fight minutes. My name is Mike Beireley. I just don't acknowledge that we're here in 3D7, which is the home territory of the Blackfoot, the Stony and Dakota and the Sixth Sika nations.

2157
04:00:26,260 --> 04:00:28,580
I've been a citizen in Calgary since 1990.

2158
04:00:29,140 --> 04:00:30,900
I worked in oil and gas for a couple decades.

2159
04:00:31,640 --> 04:00:35,940
I'm on the board of Spark, which is a renewable energy cooperative.

2160
04:00:36,480 --> 04:00:42,740
We have 600 customers that buy renewable energy from us, and we have about 30 micro power

2161
04:00:42,740 --> 04:00:47,760
generators, and when generators across the province that provide that energy to the group.

2162
04:00:49,760 --> 04:00:56,620
When I was out bike riding yesterday, I passed a house that was kind of famous to me.

2163
04:00:56,700 --> 04:01:01,280
I was reading about it in the paper and it's along the Elbow River and it's got a waterproof

2164
04:01:01,280 --> 04:01:07,740
wall that you can block off the driveway and there's a bunch of pipes that stick out.

2165
04:01:09,020 --> 04:01:10,580
They look like they're attached to pumps.

2166
04:01:11,680 --> 04:01:16,880
So if there was a flood again, that house was going to wall itself off and pump any water

2167
04:01:16,880 --> 04:01:23,760
out back into the neighborhood. And I think that that house tells a few stories. One is that

2168
04:01:23,760 --> 04:01:29,700
that person believes that climate change and the impact of it is real. A second one is that

2169
04:01:29,700 --> 04:01:32,960
they don't believe that the city is going to do anything for them and they've decided to do it

2170
04:01:32,960 --> 04:01:41,620
themselves. The third one is that no matter how big a wall you make and no matter whether you can

2171
04:01:41,620 --> 04:01:45,660
and afford it or not, individual actions of one person

2172
04:01:45,660 --> 04:01:48,020
are not going to solve the problem.

2173
04:01:48,580 --> 04:01:51,520
I think that shows how important leadership

2174
04:01:51,520 --> 04:01:55,480
from this city is, you're the only organization

2175
04:01:55,480 --> 04:01:58,960
in a place to deliver like a meaningful support system

2176
04:01:58,960 --> 04:02:03,180
to citizens, they're looking to you and to your plans

2177
04:02:03,180 --> 04:02:05,380
and to your administration and to your political leadership

2178
04:02:05,860 --> 04:02:07,860
to tell them that things are going to be okay,

2179
04:02:08,520 --> 04:02:10,600
that we are working on solutions

2180
04:02:10,600 --> 04:02:13,240
and that we have meaningful ways of doing them.

2181
04:02:14,020 --> 04:02:16,440
But that message didn't get through to the people with the walls.

2182
04:02:16,840 --> 04:02:19,640
It also didn't get through to the people whose homes have been destroyed.

2183
04:02:20,140 --> 04:02:22,520
It didn't get through to the people living in poverty in this city.

2184
04:02:23,080 --> 04:02:24,400
It's not getting through to a lot of people.

2185
04:02:24,700 --> 04:02:28,940
And that's because there's a very serious lack of public engagement on this issue.

2186
04:02:29,780 --> 04:02:36,720
There are answers and solutions and ideas that we haven't thought of that citizens in Calgary are aware of.

2187
04:02:36,720 --> 04:02:43,280
There are people that are working in all sorts of ways, and they're not connecting, and they're not feeling supported.

2188
04:02:44,240 --> 04:02:49,200
If we're going to have a meaningful reduction of greenhouse gases, if we're going to have leadership from the city,

2189
04:02:49,640 --> 04:03:00,020
we need to connect with the citizens and residents of this town, we need to engage with them, we need to support the learning that they're taking and to also learn from the ideas they have.

2190
04:03:00,020 --> 04:03:07,100
I run a program that does exactly that, so it's doable and approachable, and it's something

2191
04:03:07,100 --> 04:03:08,880
that the city really needs to do.

2192
04:03:09,900 --> 04:03:15,060
So I'm going to just show a quick video in the time I have left that was prepared by

2193
04:03:15,060 --> 04:03:19,180
Sonia, students at Western Canadian High, let's see how it goes.

2194
04:03:19,820 --> 04:03:20,020
Hi,

2195
04:03:32,180 --> 04:03:36,020
my name is Acochi and I am a 12 student at Western Canada High School.

2196
04:03:36,720 --> 04:03:41,560
My name is Jasper Crawford and I'm a grade 11 student at Western Canada High School.

2197
04:03:41,560 --> 04:03:45,120
Hi, my name is Hilly DeBae and I'm a great 11 student at Westcompton.

2198
04:03:45,340 --> 04:03:48,040
Hi, my name is Richard Schaing and I'm a great 11 student at Westcompton.

2199
04:03:49,600 --> 04:03:52,160
Hi, my name is Jack Hawthorne and I'm 17 years old.

2200
04:03:52,320 --> 04:03:54,780
My name is Hilly DeBae and I'm a great 12 student.

2201
04:03:59,090 --> 04:04:04,290
I care about climate change because this isn't just an issue that is faced by one nation nor place.

2202
04:04:04,490 --> 04:04:06,490
This is a global issue that needs to be addressed.

2203
04:04:07,450 --> 04:04:10,990
I always know about the negative impacts of carbon emissions

2204
04:04:10,990 --> 04:04:16,070
but it never became real to me or even something I cared about until this year in biology actually.

2205
04:04:16,070 --> 04:04:21,070
actually our teacher would tell us about the perfect systems and the perfect

2206
04:04:21,070 --> 04:04:26,010
cycles of this planet and how important they are to maintaining a balance and

2207
04:04:26,610 --> 04:04:32,350
then she would discuss climate change and carbon emissions and the negative

2208
04:04:32,350 --> 04:04:38,110
impacts that they have on pretty much everything and she would tell us stories and

2209
04:04:38,110 --> 04:04:44,550
give us statistics and chose pictures of how we're impacting our planet and it

2210
04:04:44,550 --> 04:04:49,730
incredibly sad and it became something I cared about quite deeply and so

2211
04:04:49,730 --> 04:04:53,690
that is why I care about climate change because this is our planet, this is our

2212
04:04:53,690 --> 04:04:58,070
Earth, it's the only one we have and the only one we ever will have and so I think

2213
04:04:58,070 --> 04:05:03,590
it is incredibly incredibly incredibly important to maintain this Earth and to be

2214
04:05:03,590 --> 04:05:08,710
nice to it and so yes I do think that if the city of Calgary was to implement a

2215
04:05:08,710 --> 04:05:13,430
plan to reduce carbon emissions it would have a great impact and would be

2216
04:05:13,430 --> 04:05:15,390
incredibly beneficial to better our future.

2217
04:05:16,150 --> 04:05:17,570
Climate change is important to me

2218
04:05:17,570 --> 04:05:19,110
because I've seen the negative impact

2219
04:05:19,110 --> 04:05:20,110
that's had on the earth.

2220
04:05:20,730 --> 04:05:22,610
As a young adult, I'm scared to see

2221
04:05:22,610 --> 04:05:24,670
what will happen in the future if it keeps up.

2222
04:05:25,230 --> 04:05:27,630
I want to be able to grow up and raise kids

2223
04:05:27,630 --> 04:05:29,690
in a world that has the same natural resources

2224
04:05:29,690 --> 04:05:30,510
as we do now.

2225
04:05:30,610 --> 04:05:32,770
So why climate change is important to me?

2226
04:05:32,970 --> 04:05:34,510
It's really because of the effect it has

2227
04:05:34,510 --> 04:05:36,450
on our world and our city.

2228
04:05:37,650 --> 04:05:40,590
I'd like to draw a comparison to Barbara King's

2229
04:05:40,590 --> 04:05:46,690
salvage novels like behavior, and in the passage in the novel, climate changed is described

2230
04:05:46,690 --> 04:05:52,370
as all of us being in a boat rapidly floating down at river, towards an approaching waterfall.

2231
04:05:52,990 --> 04:05:57,890
And at this point, we can no longer talk about whether there is a fall, if climate change

2232
04:05:57,890 --> 04:06:02,830
will affect us, but instead we have to prepare ourselves for what we know is coming, prepare

2233
04:06:02,830 --> 04:06:07,050
a city, and it's people to face the approaching climate change.

2234
04:06:07,050 --> 04:06:07,570
I

2235
04:06:11,890 --> 04:06:17,490
would love to see Calgary do is raise awareness about climate change and engage the public

2236
04:06:17,490 --> 04:06:22,270
because the smallest changes an individual can make make the biggest impact.

2237
04:06:23,070 --> 04:06:27,450
I think when Calgary can do it to improve its increased population, that's the main

2238
04:06:27,450 --> 04:06:27,990
example.

2239
04:06:28,570 --> 04:06:33,430
More secondary housing, increase the use of renewable energy in Calgary.

2240
04:06:33,430 --> 04:06:42,190
I think Calgary has been doing some good steps towards environmental related issues.

2241
04:06:42,430 --> 04:06:50,210
So if these other counties around Calgary could follow and suit, it would help us.

2242
04:06:50,610 --> 04:06:56,090
The Western Canada Environment Club wants to thank Calgary for taking the time today to talk about climate change.

2243
04:06:56,450 --> 04:07:01,510
We're super excited to see the positive impacts of the climate change resilience plan we'll have on the future

2244
04:07:01,510 --> 04:07:03,850
and are glad to know that the calendar is taking steps

2245
04:07:03,850 --> 04:07:05,070
to improve the environments.

2246
04:07:08,640 --> 04:07:09,560
Excellent, thank you.

2247
04:07:10,880 --> 04:07:13,640
I was going to give Ms. Cooper the opportunity

2248
04:07:13,640 --> 04:07:15,200
since it was fixed to do so,

2249
04:07:15,300 --> 04:07:16,140
but thank you for doing that.

2250
04:07:16,260 --> 04:07:17,000
That saves some time.

2251
04:07:17,800 --> 04:07:20,720
And our last speaker, finally, the young lady in the front there.

2252
04:07:27,380 --> 04:07:28,680
Good afternoon and thanks for waiting.

2253
04:07:29,200 --> 04:07:33,140
Hi, so I've never done this before,

2254
04:07:33,300 --> 04:07:35,160
so I'm kind of a little bit nervous, but...

2255
04:07:35,160 --> 04:07:35,520
No worries.

2256
04:07:36,080 --> 04:07:39,020
I wanted to start off by saying I am a proud citizen

2257
04:07:39,020 --> 04:07:43,280
since 2013, and I can relate to the anxiety, trauma,

2258
04:07:43,280 --> 04:07:45,820
and depression for the people who've lost their homes,

2259
04:07:46,060 --> 04:07:48,440
businesses, and real estate during the floods.

2260
04:07:48,760 --> 04:07:50,600
You're strong people, and so am I.

2261
04:07:50,880 --> 04:07:54,080
I want to say I really enjoy how living in Calgary, Canada,

2262
04:07:54,460 --> 04:07:57,000
I as a former refugee immigrant,

2263
04:07:57,340 --> 04:08:00,860
am able to learn, volunteer my time and my voice,

2264
04:08:01,360 --> 04:08:03,340
and be with some of my family and friends here.

2265
04:08:03,620 --> 04:08:06,720
The fact that the LRT station is right

2266
04:08:06,720 --> 04:08:14,100
at the fronts of the mayor's offices is amazing and I live for the inclusiveness. It lets people

2267
04:08:14,100 --> 04:08:20,980
know that they can share their viewpoints and ideas just like the citizens of climate change

2268
04:08:21,730 --> 04:08:26,340
known as the hub. I was hearing about it today and it's a diverse group. They were saying that

2269
04:08:26,340 --> 04:08:30,780
they have a lot of goals and they want the government to help with implementing targets.

2270
04:08:30,780 --> 04:08:37,500
I also wanted to go on to say that after listening to everyone's speak, I know now that people

2271
04:08:37,500 --> 04:08:43,760
in Calgary want implemented change in this beautiful city. It's more than just coming

2272
04:08:43,760 --> 04:08:49,260
to the chambers. Yes, we can get more regulations with companies like Enmax, but we can also

2273
04:08:49,260 --> 04:08:54,860
start in our own neighborhoods. If we can change anything, let's start with the four walls

2274
04:08:54,860 --> 04:09:01,360
that we call home. Then to our family, to our schools, we can all do this because if we don't

2275
04:09:01,360 --> 04:09:08,520
our future generation won't live to see tomorrow. I have a lot of futuristic ideas like many young

2276
04:09:08,520 --> 04:09:14,980
and old generations of people. We are the majority, not the government. And once we realize that,

2277
04:09:15,080 --> 04:09:20,260
things will change. I want to make a difference. Thank you. That was it.

2278
04:09:21,640 --> 04:09:22,120
All right.

2279
04:09:22,120 --> 04:09:22,920
Thank you very much.

2280
04:09:23,840 --> 04:09:24,620
All right.

2281
04:09:24,820 --> 04:09:25,980
As of that is the last speaker.

2282
04:09:26,220 --> 04:09:29,860
We've now closed public hearing, and we'll go to questions

2283
04:09:29,860 --> 04:09:31,280
of administration.

2284
04:09:38,180 --> 04:09:39,700
No questions of administration.

2285
04:09:41,900 --> 04:09:44,400
Well, shocked after all that.

2286
04:09:44,760 --> 04:09:44,960
Okay.

2287
04:09:45,200 --> 04:09:46,120
Councilor Farrell.

2288
04:09:46,340 --> 04:09:47,460
No, they want to drag anything on.

2289
04:09:47,720 --> 04:09:48,260
No, no.

2290
04:09:48,540 --> 04:09:52,580
I think we haven't recovered from Monday.

2291
04:09:52,580 --> 04:09:59,980
The, we just had an update on the municipal development plan,

2292
04:10:00,680 --> 04:10:06,440
Calgary Transportation Plan, and how we are not meeting our targets.

2293
04:10:06,640 --> 04:10:09,240
There are very few targets that we're actually meeting,

2294
04:10:09,240 --> 04:10:15,400
and one of them is our climate change targets and GHG reduction.

2295
04:10:16,260 --> 04:10:20,920
So how can we ensure that this isn't just one of those plans,

2296
04:10:20,920 --> 04:10:26,660
that we feel good about for a few days, and then put on a shelf and ignore.

2297
04:10:27,400 --> 04:10:30,360
It needs to be represented in our budget.

2298
04:10:30,600 --> 04:10:35,740
And frankly, GHD reduction should be represented in every single thing that we do.

2299
04:10:36,460 --> 04:10:40,580
So what's embedded in here to ensure that that doesn't happen?

2300
04:10:43,950 --> 04:10:44,450
Here's the chair.

2301
04:10:44,650 --> 04:10:46,410
Thank you for the question, Councillor Farrell.

2302
04:10:47,490 --> 04:10:51,070
So first off, this has been a long-term process of over two years,

2303
04:10:51,070 --> 04:10:53,230
which we worked very closely with each and every business unit.

2304
04:10:53,850 --> 04:10:59,470
And from the very beginning, we said that our target is to look at the next business cycle

2305
04:11:00,010 --> 04:11:04,770
and to ensure that we bring actions forward that each and every business unit can actually

2306
04:11:04,770 --> 04:11:09,630
generate themselves as a recommendation to how they will reduce GHG emissions as well as

2307
04:11:09,630 --> 04:11:12,570
how they will reduce the risk in their operations and services they are providing.

2308
04:11:13,370 --> 04:11:14,330
So that was always the aim.

2309
04:11:14,990 --> 04:11:19,850
And that came to fruition in the beginning of this year specifically.

2310
04:11:19,850 --> 04:11:24,030
We counsel actually approve the guiding principles and said this should be embedded as part

2311
04:11:24,030 --> 04:11:32,270
of one Calgary. And again, thereafter, actually, ALT also recommended that this be become

2312
04:11:32,270 --> 04:11:37,930
part of one Calgary and actually be considered as one Calgary coming forward in November.

2313
04:11:38,910 --> 04:11:42,350
And this is really that last step that we have here in front of us. There is a specific

2314
04:11:42,350 --> 04:11:47,470
recommendation in this strategy that says that we should embed this as part of one Calgary

2315
04:11:47,470 --> 04:11:48,370
going forward.

2316
04:11:48,370 --> 04:11:54,010
So we were very very very specific about those. The other part of that is also that partnership

2317
04:11:54,010 --> 04:11:59,730
and trust relationship that we've created with industry in ensuring that we that we take

2318
04:11:59,730 --> 04:12:06,030
that next step and making sure those actions are implementable and prioritized over a period

2319
04:12:06,030 --> 04:12:06,390
of time.

2320
04:12:06,930 --> 04:12:15,330
So it's interesting in these chambers we hear the industry. We have lots of industries

2321
04:12:15,330 --> 04:12:17,490
So what industry do you mean?

2322
04:12:19,550 --> 04:12:22,270
I look at a broad, broad scope.

2323
04:12:22,650 --> 04:12:25,370
And I talk about industry from community organizations,

2324
04:12:25,930 --> 04:12:28,370
down to the building industry,

2325
04:12:28,750 --> 04:12:30,570
down to those folks that put up drywalls,

2326
04:12:30,990 --> 04:12:32,750
down to electricians.

2327
04:12:32,810 --> 04:12:34,990
We look very, very broadly at this,

2328
04:12:35,130 --> 04:12:37,550
because it incorporates a broad, broad, broad group.

2329
04:12:37,890 --> 04:12:41,190
Of course, we're going to look at stakeholder groups specifically.

2330
04:12:41,230 --> 04:12:42,790
It might be associations to work with.

2331
04:12:42,790 --> 04:12:55,130
We want to look at best practices. We've been digging into that quite a bit. And those associations are also bringing their best practices forward of what is working for them here in Calgary, Alberta and Canada, but also being influenced because some of them are international companies.

2332
04:12:56,810 --> 04:13:01,730
And for that matter, they had to also abide by their international rules, which is great for us here in Calgary.

2333
04:13:01,730 --> 04:13:04,790
So yeah, it's a very broad stakeholder group that we are looking at.

2334
04:13:05,230 --> 04:13:12,770
I may add as well that we are aiming at working closely with some international groups

2335
04:13:13,230 --> 04:13:18,230
to help us guide on how we could establish these governance models for us here in Calgary

2336
04:13:18,230 --> 04:13:20,090
and actually working groups to implement it.

2337
04:13:20,710 --> 04:13:21,290
Thank you.

2338
04:13:21,790 --> 04:13:31,270
I know that with lead, for example, when we have an applicant from outside the city, they

2339
04:13:31,270 --> 04:13:35,970
We just normally go for lead, silver, lead, gold, and when asked why they're doing this

2340
04:13:35,970 --> 04:13:41,350
voluntary, they say it's just what we do, but we don't require it here.

2341
04:13:42,070 --> 04:13:46,630
So it seems onerous, but it's normal in other cities.

2342
04:13:47,250 --> 04:13:53,070
So is that something that we could look to the province or do we need to implement something

2343
04:13:53,070 --> 04:13:54,050
like that here?

2344
04:13:54,370 --> 04:13:57,430
It depends on the project and program in front of us.

2345
04:13:57,430 --> 04:14:02,270
This climate mitigation and adaptation plans are very broad in scope.

2346
04:14:02,850 --> 04:14:06,850
Some of them are very, very small actions that we can just take and work directly with

2347
04:14:06,850 --> 04:14:13,230
companies such as the distribution of electric vehicle charging stations across our province.

2348
04:14:13,830 --> 04:14:16,610
It's a fairly easy one that's companies that are coming, they want to do it.

2349
04:14:16,930 --> 04:14:23,270
And there are other things that we want to collaborate with industry on, for instance, energy consumption.

2350
04:14:23,650 --> 04:14:25,790
And actually, the next report is about energy consumption.

2351
04:14:25,790 --> 04:14:30,610
And that's really where we are looking at, like the previous speaker talked about,

2352
04:14:31,210 --> 04:14:33,390
where we want to look at the consumption within buildings.

2353
04:14:33,710 --> 04:14:36,030
It's not just a regulation that we want to bring in.

2354
04:14:36,410 --> 04:14:41,150
There is very clear direction from the federal government that by around the year 2020 to 2022,

2355
04:14:41,590 --> 04:14:45,690
they will actually come down with very clear guidelines, and in many cases regulations.

2356
04:14:46,310 --> 04:14:51,170
What we want to do is work with industry and prepare our city so that we are ready for when that comes down.

2357
04:14:51,170 --> 04:14:52,090
And we've all...

2358
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,980
Our partners and their educating us to learn together. And then we move, once we hit a majority of people on board, we actually move to regulations, because that's where we want to establish equity in the market. And we've seen that with many, many processes and policies at the city. I can truly say that in working with various, various groups over this, over the course of this process, it has always been about collaboration. And I really hope that we can continue with that. And like somebody else that I think you're on council, let's get to the actual

2359
04:15:29,980 --> 04:15:33,160
on the ground and it's not just at a policy level, but we want to look at the best practices.

2360
04:15:33,320 --> 04:15:34,140
What actually works here?

2361
04:15:34,620 --> 04:15:38,060
And we might look at short time periods for three months, let's quickly test it on a building,

2362
04:15:38,380 --> 04:15:40,260
see if it works, and then spread it to the rest.

2363
04:15:40,820 --> 04:15:46,920
And that is the agreement that we've seen from specific industry groups, as well as local

2364
04:15:46,920 --> 04:15:49,040
private companies and community groups.

2365
04:15:49,280 --> 04:15:49,940
Okay, thank you.

2366
04:15:50,080 --> 04:15:57,660
And consultation, we heard a lot of interest in groups being part of the discussion.

2367
04:15:58,280 --> 04:16:11,040
And that I would assume is moving forward, we would have those people at the table, is that the plan, and why did we not have them at the table and the development of this action plan?

2368
04:16:11,380 --> 04:16:12,680
Through the chair, thank you for the question.

2369
04:16:13,860 --> 04:16:23,400
I'm delighted to see the community also become part of what we are doing, but as a first step, we needed to make sure that we have our house in order as the City of Calgary.

2370
04:16:23,400 --> 04:16:39,940
We needed to understand what our role would be in all of this, so that we can also accommodate the wishes of those areas where we see the largest scale of reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, as well as really reducing the risk for our citizens at the end of the day in the services and operations that we have.

2371
04:16:40,300 --> 04:16:46,600
We wanted to clear that out, and we took the time to understand it better to also raise the awareness of staff here at the city.

2372
04:16:46,600 --> 04:16:48,940
That was really, really important for us.

2373
04:16:49,180 --> 04:16:54,000
Now we actually have much more capacity internally to go out and reach out to the community

2374
04:16:54,000 --> 04:16:59,140
and say, let's join together and help us understand what we can do in your backyard for

2375
04:16:59,140 --> 04:16:59,580
you as well.

2376
04:17:00,280 --> 04:17:00,800
Okay.

2377
04:17:01,020 --> 04:17:02,640
Just want two more quick questions.

2378
04:17:04,100 --> 04:17:11,620
Mr. Keyhole mentioned active mobility and just upstairs getting the Calvertransportation

2379
04:17:11,620 --> 04:17:14,340
plan monitoring report.

2380
04:17:14,340 --> 04:17:18,100
In other words, they're not meeting our targets, no wonder, we're not funding it.

2381
04:17:18,980 --> 04:17:25,740
So, how does active mobility, walking and cycling, building our communities differently, so

2382
04:17:25,740 --> 04:17:32,160
that walking and cycling to everyday amenities are easy?

2383
04:17:32,820 --> 04:17:42,000
How do you, do you agree with Mr. Kiho's point that that has been neglected?

2384
04:17:42,000 --> 04:17:44,900
How can we bolster that? Is that the next step?

2385
04:17:46,140 --> 04:17:52,620
I think as we learn, it's almost like the changing of the blackberry to iPhone and

2386
04:17:52,620 --> 04:17:54,780
look where are we today, 10 years later.

2387
04:17:55,300 --> 04:18:00,640
Things change very, very fast and we see that in all kinds of vehicles.

2388
04:18:00,800 --> 04:18:05,280
For instance, if we just change the electric vehicles, what is the emissions problem?

2389
04:18:05,600 --> 04:18:07,220
But then we've got a congestion problem.

2390
04:18:07,220 --> 04:18:13,380
So, I think our transportation colleagues are really analyzing all of these various aspects

2391
04:18:13,380 --> 04:18:17,900
if you look at the future of transportation, they are looking at various aspects there

2392
04:18:17,900 --> 04:18:20,920
to include in our transportation plan the update thereof.

2393
04:18:21,120 --> 04:18:24,920
The other side of that is also though when we look at the climate work that we are doing,

2394
04:18:25,240 --> 04:18:30,760
we are definitely supporting all active modes of transport, especially where there are densification

2395
04:18:30,760 --> 04:18:34,480
that's already happening, because we always know that within a six to eight hundred meter

2396
04:18:34,480 --> 04:18:36,060
walking distance, that's where people would walk.

2397
04:18:36,680 --> 04:18:39,200
And further than that, that's when you get biking, and so forth, and so forth.

2398
04:18:39,400 --> 04:18:43,180
We've built a city, we live in this city, and we try to accommodate the various modes

2399
04:18:43,180 --> 04:18:43,920
of transportation.

2400
04:18:45,300 --> 04:18:47,420
Are we the most walkable city in the world?

2401
04:18:47,680 --> 04:18:49,820
I think not, obviously.

2402
04:18:50,620 --> 04:18:56,240
But you know what is trying to find that balance between how we've built the city, and how

2403
04:18:56,240 --> 04:19:01,280
people want to live, and trying to reach that target of reducing our emissions through

2404
04:19:01,280 --> 04:19:01,460
that.

2405
04:19:01,460 --> 04:19:09,600
There's other cities that's got the same examples and they are investing in in different different kinds of technologies like we are doing and like we are testing today

2406
04:19:10,160 --> 04:19:14,300
I'm not thinking of the technologies. I'm thinking and making it easier to walk and bike and

2407
04:19:14,920 --> 04:19:15,400
that

2408
04:19:15,400 --> 04:19:21,440
Takes a little bit of money, but it does take some budget and some commitment and then

2409
04:19:22,240 --> 04:19:24,920
Reporting there's a plan to report measure

2410
04:19:26,060 --> 04:19:27,860
Report measure do better

2411
04:19:28,400 --> 04:19:32,820
Correct. Yes, there is. We're actually planning to do an annual report back to Council

2412
04:19:32,820 --> 04:19:39,720
in collaboration with our community and stakeholder and industry partners. And also from a legislative

2413
04:19:39,720 --> 04:19:45,280
perspective, we have to come back on a four-year basis and actually update the plan to the province.

2414
04:19:46,540 --> 04:19:52,480
Okay, thank you for your work and thank you for all the speakers who provided some very insightful

2415
04:19:54,220 --> 04:19:54,960
Thank you.

2416
04:19:57,420 --> 04:19:59,900
Thank you, Councilor Farrell. Councilor Gondick.

2417
04:20:02,160 --> 04:20:08,260
Thank you. I asked this question of the land development industry folks that were

2418
04:20:08,260 --> 04:20:13,540
up here about ULI, Urban Land Institute. Did you have an opportunity to engage with them

2419
04:20:13,540 --> 04:20:13,760
at all?

2420
04:20:18,770 --> 04:20:23,930
We did not engage with them directly, but we did engage with various international

2421
04:20:23,930 --> 04:20:29,450
stakeholders and best practice groups out there from engineering associations to planning

2422
04:20:29,450 --> 04:20:35,350
associations. We've worked with the resilience group here at the city. We've worked with

2423
04:20:35,350 --> 04:20:40,590
the C40s organization, I'm not sure if you're aware of them, yeah. So we've worked with various

2424
04:20:40,590 --> 04:20:46,370
organizations around the globe actually to understand what we could do here in Calgary.

2425
04:20:47,070 --> 04:20:51,010
It's interesting there was a recent or a report just released yesterday to look at the European

2426
04:20:51,010 --> 04:20:54,310
European cities and what they are doing and there's very few cities that actually combine

2427
04:20:54,310 --> 04:20:59,090
mitigation and adaptation in one report going forward. They feel it's, you know, it's

2428
04:20:59,090 --> 04:21:05,250
a huge jump and it's a lot of work all at once. But we definitely have done that. Another

2429
04:21:05,250 --> 04:21:10,270
part to that question for you is we also dug deeper than just the best practices coming

2430
04:21:10,270 --> 04:21:16,930
from these large-scale international organizations. We even looked at companies and what they are

2431
04:21:16,930 --> 04:21:23,150
doing in terms of best practices for their own organizations, everything from transit

2432
04:21:23,150 --> 04:21:28,170
companies within North America, if you look at Seattle or those, what have they done

2433
04:21:28,170 --> 04:21:33,270
to look at resilience and how they built that into their transit networks, down to plans

2434
04:21:33,270 --> 04:21:37,650
that they've done in other cities in North America and also Northern regions as such?

2435
04:21:38,130 --> 04:21:42,710
So we've really tried to scope it out tremendously and bring that information back to our advisory

2436
04:21:42,710 --> 04:21:47,250
groups and ask them what they felt we could do with that and how we could utilize that information

2437
04:21:47,250 --> 04:21:53,250
locally. We don't see that disappearing. We see that being utilized as we move on in this process

2438
04:21:53,250 --> 04:21:57,410
of implementation and prioritization as well. I'm glad you brought that up the point about

2439
04:21:57,410 --> 04:22:03,790
implementation because what I found in some of the research that I've been doing is the 100 RC

2440
04:22:03,790 --> 04:22:09,210
cities are able to tap into the strategy partners they have so it's people like Rand Corporation,

2441
04:22:09,930 --> 04:22:14,310
ACOM and Jacobs that they have been working with to create their strategies.

2442
04:22:14,470 --> 04:22:19,050
Pittsburgh is a recent example. Yeah, so you've already done this. So I think maybe

2443
04:22:19,050 --> 04:22:23,470
what we need to do is provide some comfort to our stakeholders that the

2444
04:22:23,470 --> 04:22:26,630
implementation phase is definitely going to be one of best practices and

2445
04:22:26,630 --> 04:22:30,790
partnerships. And it sounds like you're working closely with the resilience team.

2446
04:22:32,190 --> 04:22:37,070
They're we're hand in hand. Very closely. Yes. And they're great partners.

2447
04:22:37,070 --> 04:22:42,930
That's fantastic. And Councillor Keating had to step to another meeting, but he just asked

2448
04:22:42,930 --> 04:22:50,450
me to raise a point. He and I would agree. He felt that perhaps some of the highlighted

2449
04:22:50,450 --> 04:22:57,750
actions that are in the plan, as you've submitted, are actions that are already underway in

2450
04:22:57,750 --> 04:23:04,010
other business units and across the corporation. So, I mean, his question I guess mine as well

2451
04:23:04,010 --> 04:23:09,410
is would it alleviate some of the concern that there's 172 items or however many there

2452
04:23:09,410 --> 04:23:13,370
are, if we were able to categorize these things are underway, these ones need to be done.

2453
04:23:16,410 --> 04:23:20,510
Through the chair, thank you so very much for asking that question. So I didn't want to

2454
04:23:20,510 --> 04:23:25,590
bring this spread sheet along, but that's exactly what we've already started to do. No, we've

2455
04:23:25,590 --> 04:23:29,970
already done that. So we know exactly what's already underway, but this is a comprehensive plan

2456
04:23:29,970 --> 04:23:34,930
to show here's all the actions that we are not just doing yesterday today, but that we

2457
04:23:34,930 --> 04:23:36,470
We will also continue to do in the future.

2458
04:23:37,510 --> 04:23:39,390
Flood resilience is not going away tomorrow.

2459
04:23:39,870 --> 04:23:41,370
We will be working on that for a long term.

2460
04:23:41,850 --> 04:23:45,930
But we do have the work ready where we've actually classified already, what we are doing,

2461
04:23:46,110 --> 04:23:46,670
what we will be doing.

2462
04:23:47,230 --> 04:23:47,450
Okay.

2463
04:23:47,690 --> 04:23:47,930
Thank you.

2464
04:23:48,230 --> 04:23:48,330
Sure.

2465
04:23:50,710 --> 04:23:51,110
Excellent.

2466
04:23:51,310 --> 04:23:51,590
Thank you.

2467
04:23:51,930 --> 04:23:52,770
Councilor Demogh, please.

2468
04:23:54,170 --> 04:23:55,350
We're doing flood resilience.

2469
04:24:02,400 --> 04:24:06,520
So, again, back to the action plans, there's lots of them.

2470
04:24:08,060 --> 04:24:11,580
I guess this is going to go forward to part of the recommendation that I'm going to be

2471
04:24:11,580 --> 04:24:15,860
bringing forward. They're not written in stone. I mean, basically, we're going to be looking

2472
04:24:15,860 --> 04:24:19,880
at this. I guess what I'm looking for, it seems to be the word of the day and I'll thank

2473
04:24:19,880 --> 04:24:25,900
the City Manager for this. This is in a lot of ways a fluid action plan scenario, correct?

2474
04:24:28,170 --> 04:24:33,910
That is true. We've indicated the large scale areas that we need to take action on. Things

2475
04:24:33,910 --> 04:24:37,450
like citizen outreach, heat alerts.

2476
04:24:38,250 --> 04:24:41,930
These things are how we will do that is a very different story.

2477
04:24:42,570 --> 04:24:45,490
But those are the focus areas that we want to get into.

2478
04:24:45,870 --> 04:24:51,190
And that's where we want to work with industry, for instance, let's say we look at investment

2479
04:24:51,190 --> 04:24:54,750
or enabling energy efficiency in buildings.

2480
04:24:55,230 --> 04:24:57,010
We know that that's an area we need to work on.

2481
04:24:57,210 --> 04:25:00,290
We've already started to agree on them that we probably need to look at energy labeling and

2482
04:25:00,290 --> 04:25:01,350
energy information sharing.

2483
04:25:01,350 --> 04:25:04,090
how we do that, a whole different story.

2484
04:25:04,590 --> 04:25:06,970
So that's where the security reports are, if you won't mind.

2485
04:25:07,370 --> 04:25:07,470
Sorry.

2486
04:25:07,790 --> 04:25:09,290
I'm sorry. That's the next report, sir.

2487
04:25:09,390 --> 04:25:09,770
I'm sorry.

2488
04:25:09,910 --> 04:25:11,170
I'm so sorry about that.

2489
04:25:11,170 --> 04:25:11,770
I don't want to go.

2490
04:25:12,150 --> 04:25:15,430
But I think, and not to go into the next report,

2491
04:25:15,510 --> 04:25:18,630
but that is actually an illustration of how we want to proceed with it.

2492
04:25:18,690 --> 04:25:24,830
So we, this plan and strategy is really about putting the focus on here,

2493
04:25:24,890 --> 04:25:29,970
where we need to go, that how we will actually do that is a whole different story in many cases.

2494
04:25:29,970 --> 04:25:33,190
And so we have to dig deeper in how we actually proceed with that.

2495
04:25:33,330 --> 04:25:39,150
And as one of the presenters or speakers had said, depending on what the, sorry,

2496
04:25:43,060 --> 04:25:43,220
give me

2497
04:25:43,220 --> 04:25:48,760
a second, how the technology might change going forward will affect how the action plan

2498
04:25:48,760 --> 04:25:49,080
is.

2499
04:25:49,840 --> 04:25:53,900
Anyway, having said that, clerks, you have a new set of recommendations that I was going

2500
04:25:53,900 --> 04:25:56,640
to put forward if we put that up on the screen.

2501
04:25:56,640 --> 04:25:58,160
I think most of council has seen this.

2502
04:25:58,160 --> 04:25:59,220
So,

2503
04:26:01,300 --> 04:26:07,700
basically, instead of simply approving the strategy, thanks Councillor Collier-Cardy,

2504
04:26:07,720 --> 04:26:12,560
it was absolutely necessary, I think, to actually say the strategy and the mitigation and

2505
04:26:12,560 --> 04:26:13,000
adaptation.

2506
04:26:13,840 --> 04:26:18,900
I think it's important, and as you described, to acknowledge that going forward, we will

2507
04:26:18,900 --> 04:26:26,380
be working with industry, community representation to actually prioritize out of 172, 142.

2508
04:26:26,380 --> 04:26:28,500
which ones are the first ones that we should be working on,

2509
04:26:28,620 --> 04:26:31,240
because you can't just go out and say work on all of it all at once,

2510
04:26:31,480 --> 04:26:35,800
because although we'd like to, that probably won't work very well.

2511
04:26:36,500 --> 04:26:39,780
And then again, thank you, Councillor Gondec,

2512
04:26:39,980 --> 04:26:43,020
with regards to touching into the 100 Resonient Cities

2513
04:26:43,020 --> 04:26:45,100
and how they're doing and what are their best practices.

2514
04:26:45,600 --> 04:26:47,080
So, Councillor, these are the recommendations

2515
04:26:47,080 --> 04:26:48,020
that I'm putting forward.

2516
04:26:48,240 --> 04:26:50,020
I hope you can approve them.

2517
04:26:52,480 --> 04:26:54,160
I guess I can't say close just yet.

2518
04:26:57,120 --> 04:26:59,880
Did you have a question separate from the recommendation?

2519
04:27:01,040 --> 04:27:02,860
Because you asked questions before.

2520
04:27:03,140 --> 04:27:05,280
I did ask questions before. I know we're not limited.

2521
04:27:05,520 --> 04:27:12,360
But there was one that I've been trying to get my staff to send me a photograph of some notes that I had on my chest.

2522
04:27:12,660 --> 04:27:13,420
I think finally did.

2523
04:27:14,880 --> 04:27:18,640
So it's something that you may or may not know much about.

2524
04:27:19,180 --> 04:27:23,160
The New Zealand is doing some really remarkable stuff around solar.

2525
04:27:24,620 --> 04:27:33,640
And I had a presentation about it not that long ago, Mr. Vaipon was there, and they made

2526
04:27:33,640 --> 04:27:40,000
time of day, they put a high price in their evening electricity, and they had smart

2527
04:27:40,000 --> 04:27:40,440
metering.

2528
04:27:41,000 --> 04:27:46,080
And people could watch real time how much power they were using and how much they were saving.

2529
04:27:46,320 --> 04:27:51,200
And it empowered the consumer to act in their own self-interest.

2530
04:27:51,200 --> 04:28:06,440
And so we don't allow that, but according to this individual who is very embedded in the power structure of New Zealand electricity system, this made all the difference.

2531
04:28:06,480 --> 04:28:09,400
They just kind of got out of the way and let people make their own decisions.

2532
04:28:10,080 --> 04:28:11,400
That's provincial, is it not?

2533
04:28:12,080 --> 04:28:14,220
Are we putting pressure on the province?

2534
04:28:14,760 --> 04:28:19,680
I know that they have a goal in some ways it's getting out of the way of consumers doing the right thing.

2535
04:28:19,680 --> 04:28:27,440
So, how are we work, I mean, we own NMAX, we have some influence in this area, maybe.

2536
04:28:27,940 --> 04:28:31,580
And so, what are we doing regarding smart metering?

2537
04:28:34,070 --> 04:28:35,490
Through the chair, I'll take that.

2538
04:28:35,570 --> 04:28:36,330
Thank you for the question.

2539
04:28:37,170 --> 04:28:38,430
Yes, we're looking at that.

2540
04:28:38,490 --> 04:28:43,110
So, through our work and looking at what's best practices across the world, Australia's

2541
04:28:43,110 --> 04:28:48,390
other jurisdiction all site, where they actually have smart meters, three pricing systems throughout

2542
04:28:48,390 --> 04:28:53,290
about the day. The price of electricity is very expensive there, so there's a very big

2543
04:28:53,290 --> 04:28:59,090
cost incentive to run your dishwasher after 10 p.m., as an example. But we are looking

2544
04:28:59,090 --> 04:29:02,850
at different jurisdictions, talking with NMAX, talking with our colleagues and the provincial

2545
04:29:02,850 --> 04:29:08,730
government. You can hear those conversations now starting to happen, whereas I think

2546
04:29:08,730 --> 04:29:12,950
some of the speakers were saying earlier today, two years ago, it was just something that did

2547
04:29:12,950 --> 04:29:16,890
overseas. But now we're starting to look at that and investigate that much, much more

2548
04:29:16,890 --> 04:29:21,290
detail and it's fascinating the way that those smart readers actually give you that information.

2549
04:29:21,750 --> 04:29:25,290
There are Wi-Fi systems. You can walk around your house with your smartphone and you know exactly

2550
04:29:25,290 --> 04:29:29,930
what the house is consuming at any given point in time. Some of the stock overseas is very impressive.

2551
04:29:30,370 --> 04:29:35,190
And so we're looking at that as well. Okay, thank you. And I'm supportive of these recommendations.

2552
04:29:37,680 --> 04:29:43,580
Councillor Demont? Okay, so I'll put a plug-in for End Max. If you've got an opportunity,

2553
04:29:43,580 --> 04:29:46,280
Maybe go ahead and take a look at my energy IQ.

2554
04:29:46,520 --> 04:29:49,900
It basically does an awful lot of what you just finished describing, so you can actually

2555
04:29:49,900 --> 04:29:54,540
track exactly what your energy usage is, whether it be electricity or natural gas.

2556
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,920
Having said that with regards to the smart metering, it is something that NMAX is looking at doing, but again, this actually goes back to whether they're allowed to do it through the UCA or CAU. Man, I've got to get those initials, right? Because they have to out of approval in order to charge back to the consumers what those meters would cost. And it is a significant cost increase, so that is something that is being considered. But considering there is a lot of lifespan left on the existing meters, it's a difficult problem. Having said all of that,

2557
04:30:29,920 --> 04:30:38,040
When we talk about the working group, how in item number two, how would you be actually looking at

2558
04:30:38,040 --> 04:30:39,980
formulating the working group?

2559
04:30:42,540 --> 04:30:45,660
Through the chair, thank you for the question. We've actually

2560
04:30:45,660 --> 04:30:52,040
described in the strategy 7.1 under governance. We've actually described some of the things that we

2561
04:30:52,040 --> 04:30:59,700
would like to achieve as part of this group. We've also looked at the various types of representatives that we

2562
04:30:59,700 --> 04:31:03,060
would like to see represented on this group as well.

2563
04:31:04,480 --> 04:31:08,920
As I said earlier, we're utilizing a model out of the UK where they are testing this and

2564
04:31:08,920 --> 04:31:13,020
have been testing this for the last two and a half years now to look at various industry

2565
04:31:13,020 --> 04:31:13,880
members at the table.

2566
04:31:14,420 --> 04:31:22,640
So we would be looking at a formal group consisting of members from various organizations that could

2567
04:31:22,640 --> 04:31:28,860
advise and have actually practices on the ground as well as folks from the corporation.

2568
04:31:28,860 --> 04:31:34,080
It would then look at working groups underneath that that would focus on specific areas because

2569
04:31:34,080 --> 04:31:38,200
certain a project will not require all of these people on the same group.

2570
04:31:38,360 --> 04:31:41,680
I'm going to use electric vehicles on the one hand and on the other hand I can look

2571
04:31:42,340 --> 04:31:44,920
at planning or natural infrastructure.

2572
04:31:45,280 --> 04:31:48,720
They would not necessarily have the same stakeholders at the table.

2573
04:31:49,160 --> 04:31:54,300
So we have to also formulate those separate working groups to actually run fast or sometimes

2574
04:31:54,300 --> 04:31:58,180
in certain cases, and others would be at an earlier stage of getting things done.

2575
04:31:58,940 --> 04:32:03,780
But what we did say was that we would like to look at a few things, and that would

2576
04:32:03,780 --> 04:32:08,520
be to seek that this group should seek to be an independent voice in the city.

2577
04:32:09,060 --> 04:32:13,400
That would be able to provide advice on steps towards a low carbon future and becoming

2578
04:32:13,400 --> 04:32:14,340
more climate resilient.

2579
04:32:14,940 --> 04:32:16,480
They would help us to monitor progress.

2580
04:32:17,260 --> 04:32:21,640
They would also advise on the assessment of risks and adaptation opportunities.

2581
04:32:22,480 --> 04:32:28,420
They will help us foster collaboration around projects, and they would also help us promote

2582
04:32:28,420 --> 04:32:32,840
the best practice and public engagement of how to get more people involved in this process.

2583
04:32:33,820 --> 04:32:39,220
Last but not least, they will act as a form where organizations can exchange ideas, research

2584
04:32:39,220 --> 04:32:44,400
findings, information and best practices in the areas of GHG reduction and risk mitigation

2585
04:32:45,400 --> 04:32:47,040
for our city and region.

2586
04:32:47,040 --> 04:32:54,580
Okay. So as a quick follow up, one of my colleagues over on the other side was asking

2587
04:32:54,580 --> 04:33:01,120
about reporting back and how this doesn't get lost in the milieu of a large organization.

2588
04:33:01,780 --> 04:33:08,600
What are the intentions of keeping us up to date as to how this entire strategy, mitigation

2589
04:33:08,600 --> 04:33:12,720
and or adaptation plans and strategies are working?

2590
04:33:12,720 --> 04:33:18,720
On an annual basis, we will be coming back and as ESM environment and safety management,

2591
04:33:19,200 --> 04:33:23,940
we will be coordinating that piece specifically and bringing a report back, working through

2592
04:33:23,940 --> 04:33:27,740
the actions looking at what you would probably get back is here's our prioritized actions

2593
04:33:27,740 --> 04:33:34,220
for the year 2019 that we're going to work with and that will be 2021-22 and here's how

2594
04:33:34,220 --> 04:33:40,300
we've progressed on those actions to date. You will be seeing that and the intent has always

2595
04:33:40,300 --> 04:33:46,000
been that we'll be reporting back not alone, but we'll actually have those business units

2596
04:33:46,000 --> 04:33:50,700
that's been involved at the table as well, as well as members from organizations or industry

2597
04:33:50,700 --> 04:33:52,980
members specifically involved in that project.

2598
04:33:53,680 --> 04:33:57,980
Of course, in a lot of instances, we might just have a starting point, for instance, if you

2599
04:33:57,980 --> 04:34:02,340
want to develop standards for roads or whatever, you have to have a starting point in just developing

2600
04:34:02,340 --> 04:34:02,880
the standards.

2601
04:34:02,880 --> 04:34:07,400
So the reporting back might be, we have started with that action.

2602
04:34:07,960 --> 04:34:11,680
Completion might not be seen at the end of every year.

2603
04:34:12,020 --> 04:34:13,460
But it would be an annual report back.

2604
04:34:14,580 --> 04:34:14,860
Okay.

2605
04:34:15,240 --> 04:34:16,260
Thank you. That sounds great.

2606
04:34:16,460 --> 04:34:19,120
And with your working group basically just quoting the city manager,

2607
04:34:19,120 --> 04:34:20,020
we'll leave it with you.

2608
04:34:21,260 --> 04:34:22,900
That sounds fantastic.

2609
04:34:23,900 --> 04:34:24,420
Closed.

2610
04:34:25,020 --> 04:34:25,540
Closed.

2611
04:34:25,980 --> 04:34:28,100
Thank you. Excellent dialogue today.

2612
04:34:28,100 --> 04:34:32,940
So, in that manner, on these amended recommendations, all in favor?

2613
04:34:33,640 --> 04:34:34,060
Agreed.

2614
04:34:34,880 --> 04:34:35,240
Opposed?

2615
04:34:36,360 --> 04:34:36,800
Excellent.

2616
04:34:37,020 --> 04:34:37,440
unanimous.

2617
04:34:37,760 --> 04:34:38,160
Thank you.

2618
04:34:38,740 --> 04:34:39,540
Really good job.

2619
04:34:39,740 --> 04:34:40,240
Great report.

2620
04:34:40,620 --> 04:34:41,560
Really good input today.

2621
04:34:48,570 --> 04:34:48,810
Uh-oh.

2622
04:34:49,810 --> 04:34:50,590
I didn't.

2623
04:34:52,090 --> 04:34:53,510
Sorry, your chairmanship.

2624
04:34:53,790 --> 04:34:57,550
I realize that on the originalist's SBC and utility court serves to recommend that council

2625
04:34:57,550 --> 04:34:58,450
approves these.

2626
04:34:59,450 --> 04:35:02,550
Does that, is that just a given on the recommendations that we just have?

2627
04:35:02,730 --> 04:35:02,930
Okay.

2628
04:35:02,930 --> 04:35:03,530
Okay, thank you.

2629
04:35:04,350 --> 04:35:08,170
Or we could just ignore them and just make it happen, no?

2630
04:35:08,810 --> 04:35:10,450
They don't know what they're talking about, right?

2631
04:35:11,150 --> 04:35:11,310
Okay.

2632
04:35:11,970 --> 04:35:16,170
So 7.2, Energy Reporting for Commercial Buildings.

2633
04:35:18,990 --> 04:35:23,750
Does anybody require a presentation for reporting on buildings?

2634
04:35:26,350 --> 04:35:26,650
No?

2635
04:35:27,090 --> 04:35:27,390
Okay.

2636
04:35:27,830 --> 04:35:29,030
You wore us out, see?

2637
04:35:29,810 --> 04:35:30,170
Okay.

2638
04:35:30,430 --> 04:35:32,210
We'll just go to the recommendation.

2639
04:35:32,210 --> 04:35:39,690
If we could, pardon me, oh I'm sorry, is there anybody from the public that would like

2640
04:35:39,690 --> 04:35:40,710
to speak to this?

2641
04:35:43,980 --> 04:35:47,720
Mr. Heather, let's stay on topic today please.

2642
04:35:56,770 --> 04:35:57,970
It's about reporting,

2643
04:35:58,430 --> 04:35:59,190
energy reporting.

2644
04:35:59,830 --> 04:36:06,850
Yeah, that's right. So remember back to John Lord where his theme was on affordable Calgary.

2645
04:36:07,510 --> 04:36:14,430
So now we're getting a three-year grace period where we're going to not make it mandatory.

2646
04:36:15,430 --> 04:36:20,250
But then after three years it looks like the clamps are going to come down and we're

2647
04:36:20,250 --> 04:36:26,670
going to make it mandatory for every commercial building to meet certain standards, probably

2648
04:36:26,670 --> 04:36:27,110
leads.

2649
04:36:28,270 --> 04:36:31,690
This is going to lead to the Detroiting of Calgary.

2650
04:36:31,690 --> 04:36:41,510
If you go to Detroit today, there's many commercial buildings that are abandoned because of excessive taxation, excessive regulation of the city.

2651
04:36:42,690 --> 04:36:52,690
And you're going to make it impossible for start-up businesses and businesses on the small and medium scale to survive and still make a profit.

2652
04:36:52,690 --> 04:37:06,150
But if you impose retroactively these standards and cause them to be required to come up to whatever standards being set for some ideological agenda.

2653
04:37:06,870 --> 04:37:16,970
And I think it's a tragic mistake that we, you know, it used to be a city, a freedom of entrepreneurial advancement.

2654
04:37:16,970 --> 04:37:25,070
a place where Calgary was the sky was the limit as to opportunity, but you will drive

2655
04:37:25,070 --> 04:37:32,990
people out of the city, you will drive out additional business tax base by these recommendations.

2656
04:37:33,850 --> 04:37:39,430
And I would ask the city of Calgary to take a stand against this, you're not, you're here

2657
04:37:39,430 --> 04:37:45,810
to provide services to the citizens of Calgary, not assume dictatorial powers over them.

2658
04:37:45,810 --> 04:37:55,310
And start dictating the standards by which a business should be able to exist in this city.

2659
04:37:56,130 --> 04:38:04,390
So we're making a mistake by going along in this direction as in the report that just sailed through without opposition.

2660
04:38:04,630 --> 04:38:05,310
Thank you very much.

2661
04:38:07,990 --> 04:38:08,610
Thank you.

2662
04:38:11,430 --> 04:38:14,170
So question anybody else from the public that would like to speak on this?

2663
04:38:14,170 --> 04:38:15,170
Thank

2664
04:38:19,970 --> 04:38:20,390
you very much.

2665
04:38:20,530 --> 04:38:21,910
Lloyd Souchet with Boma Calgary.

2666
04:38:22,150 --> 04:38:24,070
I spent the presentation on the last part,

2667
04:38:24,310 --> 04:38:25,830
predominantly speaking about building bench barn,

2668
04:38:25,830 --> 04:38:26,750
so I won't repeat that.

2669
04:38:27,350 --> 04:38:29,290
I'll just say we support the recommendation.

2670
04:38:29,550 --> 04:38:31,550
We asked the city to take a gradual approach

2671
04:38:32,090 --> 04:38:35,250
only because we've seen good uptake on benchmarking

2672
04:38:35,250 --> 04:38:37,730
in the new A-class buildings,

2673
04:38:38,310 --> 04:38:41,770
where the real opportunity is in those older B&C class buildings

2674
04:38:42,390 --> 04:38:45,350
and they're the ones with the low hanging fruit,

2675
04:38:45,490 --> 04:38:46,590
but also less resources.

2676
04:38:46,590 --> 04:38:57,030
So, we think that this recommendation really helps us get to a place that in two, three years will expect it coming.

2677
04:38:57,150 --> 04:39:03,170
They'll realize it's not this big bad thing coming your way and they'll be industry acceptance for it.

2678
04:39:03,290 --> 04:39:08,250
So, we support the recommendation and are happy to help the city implement that in any way they see fit.

2679
04:39:08,670 --> 04:39:08,910
Thank you.

2680
04:39:08,910 --> 04:39:12,050
Okay, I think you might have some questions or Councillor Ferrell.

2681
04:39:12,550 --> 04:39:14,050
Just one question, thank you.

2682
04:39:14,450 --> 04:39:22,910
It relates to the comment that I made earlier about other jurisdictions where lead, gold,

2683
04:39:23,370 --> 04:39:26,270
or lead platinum, just the normal course of business.

2684
04:39:26,770 --> 04:39:35,970
And it's always distressing when it's a pleasant surprise when a developer from Vancouver, West Bank

2685
04:39:35,970 --> 04:39:40,350
was an example, just I asked them, why are you going for lead platinum?

2686
04:39:41,850 --> 04:39:49,370
That's how we build and so but then they don't have to be forced because it's normal

2687
04:39:49,370 --> 04:39:55,130
and I'm just wondering why we don't have that kind of approach for attituding Calgary.

2688
04:39:56,410 --> 04:40:01,110
Sure, I'd first start by saying that lead is a good program but where we were.

2689
04:40:01,130 --> 04:40:01,390
It's not perfect.

2690
04:40:01,670 --> 04:40:04,230
It's not perfect where we see the opportunities in the established

2691
04:40:04,230 --> 04:40:09,070
building sector but to your point and to the point I made earlier in that we're seeing

2692
04:40:09,070 --> 04:40:15,270
more and more tenants demanding this in their leases and they've got their own, they've

2693
04:40:15,270 --> 04:40:17,450
got their own green reporting requirements for the large companies.

2694
04:40:17,830 --> 04:40:22,530
So what we're really seeing is it's the sort of consumer demand to start and come up to

2695
04:40:22,530 --> 04:40:27,190
a place where building owners and managers saying we want to demonstrate our leadership in

2696
04:40:27,190 --> 04:40:31,350
the best way to do that is an established program that shows that to your tenants.

2697
04:40:31,350 --> 04:40:35,230
but the important part isn't the label

2698
04:40:35,230 --> 04:40:36,390
to tell you operate your building.

2699
04:40:36,690 --> 04:40:38,790
And that's where you've seen success in building the best.

2700
04:40:39,250 --> 04:40:41,670
It's not what you build it with, it's how you operate.

2701
04:40:41,850 --> 04:40:43,730
And that affects every building in Calgary,

2702
04:40:43,790 --> 04:40:44,930
not just the brand new ones.

2703
04:40:45,550 --> 04:40:48,590
It's also what building materials you use,

2704
04:40:48,590 --> 04:40:52,290
and there's a huge amount of energy in the construction.

2705
04:40:52,490 --> 04:40:55,530
There's a huge amount of it, GHG and concrete.

2706
04:40:56,990 --> 04:40:59,090
So it's exactly, and it's a very good point.

2707
04:40:59,090 --> 04:41:06,250
I like to point out, in the poem, a best example, that Gulf Canada Square, which is a 40-year-old

2708
04:41:06,250 --> 04:41:12,550
building, is certified to the highest level. It doesn't have the brand new building materials,

2709
04:41:13,170 --> 04:41:19,730
but they've steadily made those investments and through benchmarking, we're given a really clear path

2710
04:41:19,730 --> 04:41:25,810
on how you can get there. That's a success story where this is achievable for a 50-year-old building,

2711
04:41:25,810 --> 04:41:31,170
absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Gondec, please.

2712
04:41:32,530 --> 04:41:35,870
Did you have questions for the gentleman? I'm sorry if you can go back, Councillor Gondec

2713
04:41:35,870 --> 04:41:42,090
to have some questions for you. Thank you, Mr. Cicci. I have a question for you. Do

2714
04:41:42,090 --> 04:41:48,630
you feel that this could possibly be a role for ballnut to play instead of the city? Everything

2715
04:41:48,630 --> 04:41:49,390
is recommended here.

2716
04:41:51,530 --> 04:41:54,690
I would say that we have a service that does

2717
04:41:54,690 --> 04:42:00,350
As a lot of what this plan is trying to do, and we absolutely see a role for ourselves

2718
04:42:00,350 --> 04:42:02,370
in BOMA BEST within that.

2719
04:42:03,730 --> 04:42:09,130
What I will say is the report does identify energy star portfolio manager as the de facto

2720
04:42:09,130 --> 04:42:15,590
standard in the building industry, frankly, North America, BOMA BEST feeds specifically into

2721
04:42:15,590 --> 04:42:15,870
that.

2722
04:42:16,250 --> 04:42:22,930
So, what we ask for through the climate change process prior to this was, don't choose

2723
04:42:22,930 --> 04:42:28,950
a market product, let it be flexible. We think both best is at a good price point and frankly

2724
04:42:28,950 --> 04:42:34,390
a really effective tool, so we think it'll see success through this. But if you keep it more

2725
04:42:34,390 --> 04:42:42,310
generic on the portfolio manager side, that's probably the way you stay neutral in the market.

2726
04:42:42,950 --> 04:42:43,710
Okay, thank you.

2727
04:42:45,950 --> 04:42:49,250
Thank you. I do have a question for administration, just for clarification.

2728
04:42:51,210 --> 04:43:17,850
Because of what was brought up before is the intent of this reporting is first of all to create benchmarking, to help the industry within itself and create incentives and look at how they can improve in the years to come so how they can save money it's not changing all the policies in crippling the industry as portrayed earlier just would like confirmation of that.

2729
04:43:17,850 --> 04:43:22,330
That is correct. Okay, thank you. Councilor De Maul.

2730
04:43:24,440 --> 04:43:30,020
Just a quick clarification, when you talk about commercial buildings, what is your definition

2731
04:43:30,500 --> 04:43:31,800
of a commercial building?

2732
04:43:34,080 --> 04:43:36,020
Non-residential buildings.

2733
04:43:36,880 --> 04:43:42,880
Oh, sure, get picky and be technical. So an office, so an apartment building wouldn't

2734
04:43:42,880 --> 04:43:46,580
qualify for this? Not, and I'm just going to check, I'm not under this program, no.

2735
04:43:46,580 --> 04:43:47,720
Okay. No.

2736
04:43:49,000 --> 04:43:51,640
I guess, no, please.

2737
04:43:52,100 --> 04:44:01,460
So we, in the previously approved plan, we do have a program specifically for residential buildings, which is separate.

2738
04:44:01,980 --> 04:44:06,800
This is specifically geared nationally towards commercial buildings.

2739
04:44:07,560 --> 04:44:12,400
And it sets a, you know, a bar for these commercial buildings that they can compete against.

2740
04:44:12,400 --> 04:44:33,920
I guess it's not so much that aspect I was more concerned with regards to, as we heard on the previous subject, the much smaller buildings that are commercial buildings, the stand-alone carpenter, the stand-alone and where that fits in and I appreciate that it's a voluntary, but I'm just wondering how,

2741
04:44:33,920 --> 04:44:43,820
So anything, even if it's a house that has been determined to get a new land you zoning in is now a non-residential house,

2742
04:44:44,440 --> 04:44:48,100
you would still qualify it in this rating as a commercial building.

2743
04:44:48,740 --> 04:44:50,200
It's just that kind of-

2744
04:44:50,200 --> 04:44:51,060
You would, but-

2745
04:44:51,060 --> 04:44:52,500
Sorry, through the chair.

2746
04:44:52,740 --> 04:44:55,560
You would, but we are looking at the larger commercial building.

2747
04:44:55,560 --> 04:44:59,720
So, just as a stat, when we look at buildings, over 20,000...

2748
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:28,760
That's already reporting to Workfolio Manager. We've got about 225, those between 1500,000, we've got about 200 buildings already, and those over 100,000, we've got 425. So, and that is out of like on the larger scale. We've got more of them. So they're 685 in business. We've got 485 that's actually reporting. So you can see as it is, like exactly like you said, the bigger the buildings, the more they want to do it because that really helps them with their competitiveness.

2749
04:45:28,760 --> 04:45:31,220
And they would like to participate in these kind of things.

2750
04:45:31,340 --> 04:45:37,240
So it's really so far, it's been very much industry driven, and our engagement with building

2751
04:45:37,240 --> 04:45:40,920
owners and industry and so forth, specifically building industry, I should be clear.

2752
04:45:41,440 --> 04:45:45,520
They will all very much in favor and actually suggest that we look at a three-year pilot

2753
04:45:45,520 --> 04:45:50,240
program where we can learn more about this together and see how smaller buildings and so forth

2754
04:45:50,240 --> 04:45:51,500
can also come on board.

2755
04:45:52,020 --> 04:45:56,640
So do we have any kind of a ratio or percentage of how many of these buildings that you just

2756
04:45:56,640 --> 04:46:02,280
listed are actually voluntarily into this project already so we have a baseline as to where

2757
04:46:02,280 --> 04:46:03,940
it is now and where it will be in three years.

2758
04:46:04,180 --> 04:46:08,940
We've got percentages of who's already involved by themselves that have signed up for portfolio

2759
04:46:08,940 --> 04:46:09,360
manager.

2760
04:46:09,580 --> 04:46:10,500
We do have those numbers.

2761
04:46:11,020 --> 04:46:17,140
We literally just finished this investigation probably a month and a half ago.

2762
04:46:17,700 --> 04:46:22,940
So we wanted to bring it forward and with this plan then being approved and taken forward

2763
04:46:22,940 --> 04:46:25,600
we can actually take the next steps and start working with industry.

2764
04:46:25,600 --> 04:46:30,880
They looked at this as one of their priority programs just as an example, okay, they would like me to go on with this

2765
04:46:30,880 --> 04:46:35,620
So we will be forming a baseline in the very unique. Correct. We have to. Yes. It's fantastic

2766
04:46:36,640 --> 04:46:42,120
So the 20,000 square foot would range so something like Ward's house would qualify

2767
04:46:43,640 --> 04:46:45,580
Isn't it bigger? No, it's

2768
04:46:47,160 --> 04:46:48,720
19,500. Don't exaggerate

2769
04:46:54,000 --> 04:47:00,540
I appreciate the work you've done on this, and I understand it comes from a notice of motion that predates me being on council.

2770
04:47:01,240 --> 04:47:06,660
But I feel rather strongly that this is not something that we should be doing.

2771
04:47:06,800 --> 04:47:12,100
I think it's very much the purview of an organization like Bulma to be doing it, perhaps in partnership with us.

2772
04:47:12,640 --> 04:47:13,440
How do you feel about that?

2773
04:47:13,440 --> 04:47:19,900
I will tell you what maybe what we've investigated and what it could help us, how I feel about

2774
04:47:19,900 --> 04:47:20,480
maybe different.

2775
04:47:22,300 --> 04:47:26,480
But what we have seen now in other cities as well is that you have to collaborate with

2776
04:47:26,480 --> 04:47:28,520
the biggest partner involved in this process.

2777
04:47:29,100 --> 04:47:34,180
And like I definitely want to say, our partner from Bona said here, yes, they are involved,

2778
04:47:34,660 --> 04:47:37,860
but they also have other objectives that they need to achieve.

2779
04:47:37,860 --> 04:47:43,500
So for us, it's really a facilitation process and enabling these people to come together.

2780
04:47:43,880 --> 04:47:45,940
It's not a forcible thing that we're going to do.

2781
04:47:46,440 --> 04:47:49,400
It'll be just one of the projects that we'll be heading up.

2782
04:47:49,580 --> 04:47:51,620
It's really about facilitating this.

2783
04:47:51,640 --> 04:47:55,220
This is not a massive process for us to undertake.

2784
04:47:55,820 --> 04:48:00,900
We are also looking at Edmonton and how they are doing this and trying to collaborate with

2785
04:48:00,900 --> 04:48:01,420
them as well.

2786
04:48:01,980 --> 04:48:07,360
We've heard from our industry partners that in many cases, they don't want Edmonton and

2787
04:48:07,360 --> 04:48:13,020
to be on different pages when it comes to these things, because they are developing buildings together, renovating it together.

2788
04:48:13,280 --> 04:48:14,880
So, why don't we work together on that?

2789
04:48:15,060 --> 04:48:19,880
And we've already, I mean, we've worked very closely with our Edmond partners already, and they're definitely

2790
04:48:19,880 --> 04:48:24,340
game to step it up and work with us on the outcome of this plan.

2791
04:48:25,180 --> 04:48:26,340
So, yeah, it is definitely there.

2792
04:48:26,820 --> 04:48:30,900
For all of the reasons that you've just mentioned, I'm not going to support this, has nothing to do.

2793
04:48:31,060 --> 04:48:31,760
It's not you, it's me.

2794
04:48:32,480 --> 04:48:37,280
I really think this should be within the association, and if they really want to make

2795
04:48:37,280 --> 04:48:41,920
sure Edmonton and Calgary and any other jurisdiction is on the same page, this should be theirs

2796
04:48:41,920 --> 04:48:42,420
to manage.

2797
04:48:42,720 --> 04:48:44,660
So that will be my reason for lack of support.

2798
04:48:44,980 --> 04:48:45,220
Thank you.

2799
04:48:46,560 --> 04:48:47,000
Okay.

2800
04:48:47,200 --> 04:48:47,520
Thank you.

2801
04:48:47,760 --> 04:48:50,920
Councillor DeMogh, would you like to move this for information?

2802
04:48:55,620 --> 04:48:56,060
Yeah.

2803
04:48:56,220 --> 04:49:01,880
I will remove it for information, considering that we're not actually telling any business

2804
04:49:01,880 --> 04:49:06,840
is what to do. We're not regulating it in any way, shape, or form. We're simply saying

2805
04:49:07,480 --> 04:49:12,760
we think it'd be a great idea if you guys as an association were to go out and become,

2806
04:49:13,560 --> 04:49:19,860
compare yourselves to other cities and other buildings. I don't see it as the city actually

2807
04:49:19,860 --> 04:49:27,520
doing anything, but suggesting and enabling an organization to do what it may normally have

2808
04:49:27,520 --> 04:49:29,180
done anyway. So yeah, I'll move this.

2809
04:49:31,320 --> 04:49:34,480
Okay, thank you. So, on the question, no, in favor?

2810
04:49:35,580 --> 04:49:39,860
Opposed? Councillor Gondec. Opposed? Yes.

2811
04:49:42,170 --> 04:49:46,310
No. We're very tight on time because we're

2812
04:49:46,310 --> 04:49:50,810
not going to be quorum here to finish off the list item. So, okay, we are going to the

2813
04:49:50,810 --> 04:49:56,350
last item. That is, pay as you throw program, controversial black card collection.

2814
04:50:03,140 --> 04:50:03,680
For some

2815
04:50:03,680 --> 04:50:16,100
I know you do have a report if you could expedite through the presentation would be excellent because we are, we do have issues at 230, be greatly appreciated.

2816
04:50:16,600 --> 04:50:16,640
Yeah.

2817
04:50:28,500 --> 04:50:31,520
Good afternoon, Mr. Chair, members of committee,

2818
04:50:31,780 --> 04:50:33,660
Rekfeld Arche, director of waste recycling services.

2819
04:50:33,920 --> 04:50:41,300
I'm with Melanie Cook, our manager of strategic services here to discuss the proposed PAsia throw program for the black cart program.

2820
04:50:41,420 --> 04:50:42,320
We do have a presentation.

2821
04:50:45,040 --> 04:50:45,840
Thank you.

2822
04:50:46,620 --> 04:50:47,020
Great.

2823
04:50:47,240 --> 04:50:47,660
Good afternoon.

2824
04:50:48,120 --> 04:50:51,940
I'll provide you some background information on what we've learned from other municipalities.

2825
04:50:52,360 --> 04:50:55,040
Some of the key elements of a pay-as-you-throw program for Calgary.

2826
04:50:58,640 --> 04:51:01,360
Sorry, you just need to move your mic down a little bit and stop picking you up.

2827
04:51:01,480 --> 04:51:01,740
There you go.

2828
04:51:01,840 --> 04:51:02,120
Thank you.

2829
04:51:05,650 --> 04:51:09,790
If you recall, one of the key trends identified in our Outlook report was increasing customer

2830
04:51:09,790 --> 04:51:10,410
expectations.

2831
04:51:11,250 --> 04:51:16,170
One of the initiatives identified to respond to this trend was to provide options for residential

2832
04:51:16,170 --> 04:51:19,970
customers through a variable pricing program that would allow residents to choose a black

2833
04:51:19,970 --> 04:51:24,430
cart size option and opportunity to pay for occasional access materials outside the black

2834
04:51:24,430 --> 04:51:24,670
cart.

2835
04:51:27,360 --> 04:51:29,320
So, what is a pay-as-you-throw program?

2836
04:51:29,660 --> 04:51:33,200
It introduces choice to residential customers so they can match the size of their black

2837
04:51:33,200 --> 04:51:34,920
cart to the amount of garbage they produce.

2838
04:51:35,420 --> 04:51:39,660
It also generally includes a tag-a-bag program so customers can choose a black cart size that

2839
04:51:39,660 --> 04:51:44,080
meets their needs most weeks, but provides an outlet for occasional access garbage.

2840
04:51:45,880 --> 04:51:49,860
Research has shown that pay-as-you-throw programs typically result in high levels of satisfaction

2841
04:51:49,860 --> 04:51:53,420
with residences they perceive it to be fair, you're paying for what you use.

2842
04:51:54,380 --> 04:51:57,240
The objectives for our pay-as-you-throw program are shown here.

2843
04:51:58,240 --> 04:52:02,320
In addition to providing residential customers' choice, we are looking to minimize program

2844
04:52:02,320 --> 04:52:04,260
costs and therefore customer rates.

2845
04:52:05,280 --> 04:52:09,440
We would also like to avoid the increases in contamination that many other municipalities

2846
04:52:09,440 --> 04:52:13,640
of experience, and we'll use this as an opportunity to promote waste aversion and reduction.

2847
04:52:18,670 --> 04:52:22,230
What we found in reviewing programs and other municipalities is that the more choice

2848
04:52:22,230 --> 04:52:26,210
you offer residents in terms of cart size, the more program costs increase.

2849
04:52:27,010 --> 04:52:31,670
Here we show the different prices for 240-liter carts for each program, except for Cochran,

2850
04:52:31,710 --> 04:52:32,930
which has 120-liter carts.

2851
04:52:33,650 --> 04:52:38,690
The rates in these municipalities for smaller carts can be anywhere from 50-80% of the 240-liter

2852
04:52:38,690 --> 04:52:43,990
card rate and the larger card sizes range from 125 to 150 percent of that rate.

2853
04:52:44,810 --> 04:52:49,550
We have included the 2019 indicative rate for Calgary as residential black card collection

2854
04:52:49,550 --> 04:52:51,070
is currently funded through tax support.

2855
04:52:52,610 --> 04:52:57,150
Some of the advice that the municipalities have offered was to avoid very small card sizes

2856
04:52:57,550 --> 04:53:02,670
as they are typically, sorry, they are operationally challenging and can lead to a variety of problems

2857
04:53:02,670 --> 04:53:05,910
as residents look for other options to manage their garbage.

2858
04:53:06,730 --> 04:53:10,270
They also they shared that the impact of their programs was mixed.

2859
04:53:12,510 --> 04:53:17,150
Many municipalities have experienced increased blue and green card contamination, while others

2860
04:53:17,150 --> 04:53:18,770
have experienced increased aversion.

2861
04:53:20,230 --> 04:53:24,030
One of the key considerations in looking at a pay-as-you-throw program are cost drivers.

2862
04:53:27,170 --> 04:53:31,050
When we talk about the program cost drivers, as you can see by this graphic, the majority

2863
04:53:31,050 --> 04:53:34,150
of costs associated with Calgary's black card program are fixed.

2864
04:53:34,150 --> 04:53:41,730
The indicative rates for 2019 for Calgary's current one-card-size program is about $5 a month and that's just a drive-by-the-house.

2865
04:53:42,130 --> 04:53:46,990
The cost will be less than $2 a month to handle and dispose of the waste as soon as there's garbage to be collected.

2866
04:53:48,410 --> 04:53:56,670
Any financial incentives for customers to reduce their waste will be within the handling disposal part of the rate and program prizes will be developed with this in consideration.

2867
04:53:57,990 --> 04:54:02,510
In developing this program, waste recycling services is mindful of the additional program

2868
04:54:02,510 --> 04:54:05,550
costs associated with providing additional card size options.

2869
04:54:06,190 --> 04:54:10,590
Some of the additional program elements required include the purchase of cards, the tag-a-bag

2870
04:54:10,590 --> 04:54:13,010
program, customer education enforcement.

2871
04:54:14,290 --> 04:54:20,090
So based on these considerations, waste recycling services is recommending three card sizes

2872
04:54:20,090 --> 04:54:24,190
and a tag-a-bag program for the occasional bag of excess garbage outside the black cart.

2873
04:54:25,050 --> 04:54:29,690
This image is from the Region Appeals website and it illustrates the program we are recommending.

2874
04:54:33,920 --> 04:54:37,860
There are some risks that we need to consider as we move towards a pay-as-you-throw program.

2875
04:54:38,400 --> 04:54:43,240
They include the risk that the price differential between the small and medium carts may not meet customer expectations.

2876
04:54:44,420 --> 04:54:49,160
Also, some residents who may require a larger cart may not want to pay more and will find an outlet

2877
04:54:49,160 --> 04:54:55,340
for their excess weights in the blue and the green carts, leading to increased contamination and therefore cost for those programs.

2878
04:54:59,380 --> 04:55:04,720
Our next step will be to develop an implementation plan for your approval in Q2 2019.

2879
04:55:05,580 --> 04:55:11,040
The critical element in this plan will be engagement, education, and communication with Calgary

2880
04:55:11,040 --> 04:55:11,440
residents.

2881
04:55:12,040 --> 04:55:16,240
We want to make sure that Calgaryans are aware of the program and have plenty of opportunities

2882
04:55:16,240 --> 04:55:19,140
to experience the different card sizes before we offer them a choice.

2883
04:55:19,880 --> 04:55:24,260
It will be really important that we educate residents to make the right card choice to meet

2884
04:55:24,260 --> 04:55:24,880
their requirements.

2885
04:55:25,800 --> 04:55:30,100
Other communities have emphasized the importance of reaching as many residents as possible.

2886
04:55:30,980 --> 04:55:34,520
We will need also need to determine how residents will let us know they like a different

2887
04:55:34,520 --> 04:55:37,520
card size and what the pricing structure for the program will be.

2888
04:55:39,040 --> 04:55:42,440
Other municipalities have rolled out a variable card program at the same time they launched

2889
04:55:42,440 --> 04:55:43,340
automated collection.

2890
04:55:44,040 --> 04:55:49,580
So an extra step for us will be to develop a plan to manage the inventory of return 240

2891
04:55:49,580 --> 04:55:50,240
liter cards.

2892
04:55:50,240 --> 04:55:50,620
So

2893
04:55:53,720 --> 04:56:04,720
as I mentioned, we're today asking you for your approval for a Paisy Throgue Program for Calgary, and we'll be coming back in Q2 2019 for your approval of the implementation plan.

2894
04:56:05,240 --> 04:56:11,080
We will begin developing the engagement and communication plan early as this is a critical element for program success.

2895
04:56:11,820 --> 04:56:18,940
We will present a proposed rate structures part of the implementation plan with final program rates coming through the 2019 budget adjustment.

2896
04:56:20,300 --> 04:56:25,460
Our current contracts are for 240-liter carts only and we will need to go through a competitive

2897
04:56:25,460 --> 04:56:27,080
purchasing process to buy carts.

2898
04:56:27,760 --> 04:56:31,660
It is important the variable cart size is being included as part of the larger cart RFP

2899
04:56:31,660 --> 04:56:34,300
as we will get better pricing due to the economies of scale.

2900
04:56:35,320 --> 04:56:40,340
The new cart contract will be in place for August 2019 and depending on the schedule of the successful

2901
04:56:40,340 --> 04:56:44,360
cart manufacturer it may take several months before we receive the new carts and we will

2902
04:56:44,360 --> 04:56:46,220
want to avoid delivering new carts in the winter months.

2903
04:56:47,460 --> 04:56:50,460
With this in mind, we expect residents to have access to the different

2904
04:56:50,460 --> 04:56:52,640
cart sizes by spring 2020.

2905
04:56:54,140 --> 04:56:58,420
So with that, our recommendation today is that the SPC on Utilities

2906
04:56:58,420 --> 04:57:02,240
and Corporate Services recommend that Council Director Administration to

2907
04:57:02,240 --> 04:57:06,220
develop a detailed program design and implementation plan for pays you

2908
04:57:06,220 --> 04:57:10,260
through a program with three black cart sizes and a tag-a-bag program and report

2909
04:57:10,260 --> 04:57:12,060
back no later than Q2 2019.

2910
04:57:12,060 --> 04:57:19,280
19. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anybody from the audience? I would like to speak to Mr. Heather.

2911
04:57:31,840 --> 04:57:36,420
I deal with underlying assumptions that are presented in the white cover papers

2912
04:57:37,260 --> 04:57:42,860
and they're allowed administrations allowed to deal with their assumptions and when I count to them

2913
04:57:42,860 --> 04:57:50,440
it's called off topic. But the what we have we mirror weeks from learning that the black carts which

2914
04:57:50,440 --> 04:57:54,500
We're supposed to be charged less now because they've gone to two weeks.

2915
04:57:55,140 --> 04:57:56,920
We learned that that wasn't so really.

2916
04:57:57,700 --> 04:58:03,000
Now we've got the larger carts that will be used to subsidize the smaller carts.

2917
04:58:04,300 --> 04:58:10,720
So the less other people, other sizes are charged, the more the onus of the people who have

2918
04:58:10,720 --> 04:58:11,600
the larger carts.

2919
04:58:12,640 --> 04:58:18,040
So we've gone from one cart to two carts to three carts.

2920
04:58:18,040 --> 04:58:25,760
now we're having multiple sizes of the black cart which is it's as if the volume of air volume

2921
04:58:25,760 --> 04:58:32,520
in Calgary is somehow more efficient if we just have garbage in a smaller cart rather than a larger

2922
04:58:32,520 --> 04:58:40,320
cart. So this is really a tactic of name and shame. So people with the smaller carts are more responsible

2923
04:58:41,400 --> 04:58:47,500
to the environment that people with the larger carts. In fact it's quite the opposite. The larger

2924
04:58:47,500 --> 04:58:55,640
cards may be involving more people in the residents, actually a discrimination factor

2925
04:58:55,640 --> 04:59:03,200
against larger families, family units, and then we're charging them more. I can see the

2926
04:59:03,200 --> 04:59:09,060
time coming where the large cart will be eliminated entirely because people aren't doing their

2927
04:59:09,060 --> 04:59:18,580
part as it were. You should note that the healthier the economy is, the more garbage

2928
04:59:18,580 --> 04:59:26,600
will be produced. The more people employed in packaging, the more people that are tailoring

2929
04:59:26,600 --> 04:59:37,600
specifically to the needs of people. Instead of going down to the blandness of a de-civilized

2930
04:59:37,600 --> 04:59:44,540
economy where choices are increasingly shrunk. So there's the old joke about the supermarket

2931
04:59:44,540 --> 04:59:52,800
in the Soviet Union and the shop owner says, well, we have hundreds of items available for you.

2932
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:06,480
So much when you start naming and shaming a basic service like garbage removal and going to

2933
05:00:06,480 --> 05:00:13,100
three cart sizes, you know the little green carts that were chopped out in southwood, they

2934
05:00:13,100 --> 05:00:19,220
kept blowing over in the wind, because there are two little to take the wind resistance

2935
05:00:19,220 --> 05:00:25,780
so the base was not big enough to endure a wind. So you find them all over our alley

2936
05:00:25,780 --> 05:00:34,500
over on their sides and whatnot. But we should remember that it's not garbage elimination.

2937
05:00:34,500 --> 05:00:42,580
If you're aiming for 70% reduction by in seven years' time, you're going to end up with a third world economy

2938
05:00:42,580 --> 05:00:51,300
that doesn't produce choices. That doesn't attract people of various interests to live in a city like Calgary

2939
05:00:51,300 --> 05:00:57,660
because they go for take-out food and they get stuff dripping through their bag because

2940
05:00:57,660 --> 05:01:04,480
there's no plastic containers, no straws, no one-use plastics for anything.

2941
05:01:05,360 --> 05:01:11,760
This is a mark of poverty mentality, and all these plastics and things are produced by

2942
05:01:11,760 --> 05:01:13,780
an oil and gas economy.

2943
05:01:14,480 --> 05:01:19,960
What if every municipality in the world cut these plastics uses?

2944
05:01:19,960 --> 05:01:22,580
is where would be the use for our oil and gas.

2945
05:01:23,200 --> 05:01:25,940
So I would encourage you not to approve this.

2946
05:01:26,520 --> 05:01:27,080
Thank you.

2947
05:01:29,680 --> 05:01:30,420
Thank you.

2948
05:01:31,540 --> 05:01:33,580
Is there anybody else from the audience

2949
05:01:33,580 --> 05:01:34,860
that would like to speak to this better?

2950
05:01:37,090 --> 05:01:40,170
As there is not public hearing itself closed,

2951
05:01:40,790 --> 05:01:42,530
I've never had a run on someone.

2952
05:01:42,970 --> 05:01:43,990
I thought there was another gentleman

2953
05:01:43,990 --> 05:01:45,450
that was coming forward to speak to it.

2954
05:01:46,590 --> 05:01:46,730
No?

2955
05:01:47,210 --> 05:01:47,350
OK.

2956
05:01:51,880 --> 05:01:54,160
I've never had an argument against choice.

2957
05:01:54,740 --> 05:01:55,260
OK.

2958
05:01:55,260 --> 05:01:57,820
Okay, questions to administration.

2959
05:02:03,230 --> 05:02:04,290
Councilor Meglioca, please.

2960
05:02:05,250 --> 05:02:05,790
Thank you.

2961
05:02:07,510 --> 05:02:07,910
What?

2962
05:02:08,790 --> 05:02:09,030
Nope.

2963
05:02:11,810 --> 05:02:13,490
So, thank you for the report.

2964
05:02:14,770 --> 05:02:17,470
It feels like what we're doing here, we're capturing.

2965
05:02:17,590 --> 05:02:19,410
We're just putting more obstacles in it one day

2966
05:02:19,410 --> 05:02:21,370
where we ever want to go to do through private sector.

2967
05:02:22,070 --> 05:02:24,290
Is that, do you find, that's what I find.

2968
05:02:24,450 --> 05:02:25,850
That's what I think, that's what I'm feeling.

2969
05:02:26,510 --> 05:02:28,350
Can you elaborate more on that?

2970
05:02:28,350 --> 05:02:33,870
because we're just throwing more obstacles and they're like different kind of bans and pick up the bags and

2971
05:02:33,870 --> 05:02:38,110
Tag of bag and we're trying to get rid of the bags now. We're going to introduce them again

2972
05:02:38,110 --> 05:02:42,610
And so we whenever we want to do a pilot project with a private sector or maybe the future

2973
05:02:43,170 --> 05:02:49,290
Contracted out to someone else. We're just put more obstacles in the way looks like we're just building silos. So we can keep it ourselves

2974
05:02:51,150 --> 05:02:54,990
Through the chair. Thanks, can't Councillor Macko. I don't perceive that

2975
05:02:54,990 --> 05:03:03,030
If you take a look across Canada, there's private sector service delivery, a number of major municipalities, and they're involved in multiple cart tag-a-bag programs.

2976
05:03:05,210 --> 05:03:10,330
Obviously, something that would have to be addressed within the terms of a contract on what the expectation is.

2977
05:03:10,910 --> 05:03:16,310
But I don't think we're putting up, I don't see obstacles from that stand, but it's worked in other municipalities.

2978
05:03:16,510 --> 05:03:22,290
I don't think the private sector is complained about the nature of the service delivery with respect to the number of carts.

2979
05:03:22,290 --> 05:03:27,430
So I don't would do you have to change the mechanism on the trucks to retrofit them to lift the

2980
05:03:28,350 --> 05:03:35,190
Through the chair as great question. No, it's it fact if you think in the pilot program for green card

2981
05:03:35,190 --> 05:03:38,930
They were 120 liter carts as was noted in the truck

2982
05:03:39,570 --> 05:03:41,690
There was no additional additional

2983
05:03:43,230 --> 05:03:49,410
Mechanism on the truck to facilitate that so no the truck that you see now can facilitate one twenty two forty three sixty

2984
05:03:49,410 --> 05:03:52,050
No problem, right and the tag of bag

2985
05:03:52,290 --> 05:03:56,710
How do you visualize it working and there's going to be more cost to administration to to

2986
05:03:56,710 --> 05:04:00,230
Administrate all these new programs that you're put into the billing system, the accounting,

2987
05:04:00,330 --> 05:04:04,350
the clerks, the cart movement, the increase of a fixed collection cost on your handling and

2988
05:04:04,350 --> 05:04:09,570
the processing cost. Through the chair, there will be some administration cost for sure.

2989
05:04:09,930 --> 05:04:15,510
Take a bag program though, as we bring it back, it will be a cost recovery program.

2990
05:04:16,250 --> 05:04:18,790
So do we move to the end user?

2991
05:04:20,070 --> 05:04:21,610
So what would that look like?

2992
05:04:22,550 --> 05:04:26,670
We'll be working on that and that's something that we'll bring back as part of the implementation plan.

2993
05:04:26,770 --> 05:04:35,550
I'll let you know that we're going away from that's one of the reasons why we brought in the black bins going away from the garbage bags.

2994
05:04:37,960 --> 05:04:46,920
Through the chair just yes, that's why we want to have for the different card sizes so that if you know you're routinely producing more garbage than you can get the larger card size.

2995
05:04:46,920 --> 05:04:54,320
But really, a tag-a-bag program is for that occasional bag of access so that you pick the right cart from most of the time, but

2996
05:04:54,980 --> 05:05:02,500
That you if you do have an extra bag of garbage that you haven't out left for that. So what would be the savings to the end users going to a smaller cart?

2997
05:05:03,440 --> 05:05:06,160
And what would be our cost versus their cost?

2998
05:05:06,380 --> 05:05:11,280
Yeah, I think as I said, we'll be coming back with the implementation with the rate structure. So we'll look at how that's gonna work

2999
05:05:12,280 --> 05:05:12,640
Okay

3000
05:05:12,640 --> 05:05:20,940
Do you want to add anything Jim got worked because he's he's done this transition before okay?

3001
05:05:21,740 --> 05:05:27,480
Yeah, I have Mr. Chair. I was just gonna add that I don't see these as barriers. These are best practices that

3002
05:05:28,700 --> 05:05:29,620
pretty much

3003
05:05:30,200 --> 05:05:37,320
most mid-sized and large communities in Canada and the US already have implemented and the private sector whether it's private sector of municipal

3004
05:05:37,980 --> 05:05:38,500
employees

3005
05:05:38,500 --> 05:05:40,700
This is done across North America.

3006
05:05:41,340 --> 05:05:42,960
And with respect to the Tagabag program,

3007
05:05:43,000 --> 05:05:45,100
so what we're trying to do is currently right now,

3008
05:05:45,220 --> 05:05:47,420
if there's excess waste outside of the block cart,

3009
05:05:47,540 --> 05:05:48,500
we currently collect it.

3010
05:05:48,580 --> 05:05:50,060
There's a cost associated with that.

3011
05:05:50,600 --> 05:05:52,720
But providing homeowners with choice,

3012
05:05:53,940 --> 05:05:57,140
we anticipate they will select the proper size container

3013
05:05:57,860 --> 05:05:59,520
that will meet most of their needs.

3014
05:06:00,040 --> 05:06:02,300
If that, for example, Christmas time,

3015
05:06:02,460 --> 05:06:04,700
you have extended family come over, you have excess waste.

3016
05:06:05,360 --> 05:06:09,840
you'll be able to purchase a sticker that you can put on to the bag.

3017
05:06:10,020 --> 05:06:14,280
So there's a fee, most municipalities charge probably in the order of $3 to $4 per sticker.

3018
05:06:14,600 --> 05:06:19,740
So there's an extra cost for that waste, but it will accommodate your needs outside of the bin.

3019
05:06:20,320 --> 05:06:25,240
So what we're hoping most homes, they'll select their proper size container.

3020
05:06:25,700 --> 05:06:28,880
And those container rates, as I think you heard in the presentation,

3021
05:06:29,220 --> 05:06:32,120
if you think of a middle size container right now,

3022
05:06:33,420 --> 05:06:42,740
other municipalities charge either 25 or 50% more for their larger container and maybe 25 to 50% less for the smaller container.

3023
05:06:43,080 --> 05:06:47,940
We still need to work out what those costs are and those will be coming out at the next stage when we report back to committee.

3024
05:06:48,680 --> 05:06:51,080
Well, I guarantee you my neighborhood, they won't be paying for bags.

3025
05:06:51,220 --> 05:06:55,320
They just go walk up and down the block and make sure other ones aren't full. They'll just fill theirs.

3026
05:06:57,160 --> 05:07:01,180
I know. That's what they would do. They're not going to pay for it. And it's not going

3027
05:07:01,180 --> 05:07:04,220
to have just my neighborhood. It don't happen to probably all over Calgary. But anyway,

3028
05:07:04,300 --> 05:07:05,860
I'm looking forward to seeing the report. Thank you.

3029
05:07:10,170 --> 05:07:14,530
Councillor Demont. Wow, if that was the case, I'd report that to my councillor.

3030
05:07:19,820 --> 05:07:24,540
So with regards to the aspect that's going to happen repeatedly, I've been warned to,

3031
05:07:26,000 --> 05:07:30,320
where the neighbors will constantly just go to another neighbor's and drop their garbage

3032
05:07:30,320 --> 05:07:36,400
bag over there, which seems to be commonplace now, I'm being facetious and sarcastic.

3033
05:07:37,240 --> 05:07:40,020
What is the indication of that happening?

3034
05:07:40,200 --> 05:07:45,660
When we went out and looked at best practices in other cities and perhaps through your own

3035
05:07:45,660 --> 05:07:49,520
personal experience, Mr. Duckworth, General Manager Duckworth, I am curious.

3036
05:07:49,720 --> 05:07:53,900
That is something that a number of constituents have contacted me about and said, well, what's

3037
05:07:53,900 --> 05:07:54,620
going to happen here?

3038
05:07:54,740 --> 05:07:59,580
I mean, what if somebody drops a garbage bag in front of my house without a tag?

3039
05:07:59,580 --> 05:08:00,800
Again, now I'm stuck with it.

3040
05:08:01,340 --> 05:08:02,540
How do we deal with this?

3041
05:08:05,140 --> 05:08:05,360
Anyone?

3042
05:08:05,900 --> 05:08:06,340
Anyone?

3043
05:08:06,480 --> 05:08:06,880
Through the chair.

3044
05:08:07,440 --> 05:08:09,280
Yes, this is something other municipalities experience,

3045
05:08:09,400 --> 05:08:09,820
for sure.

3046
05:08:10,240 --> 05:08:12,760
And that's why they've really wrecked some of the ones

3047
05:08:12,760 --> 05:08:14,120
that have four or five card stores.

3048
05:08:14,120 --> 05:08:16,120
Is they say stay away from those really small cards

3049
05:08:16,120 --> 05:08:19,220
because then that absolutely happens.

3050
05:08:19,720 --> 05:08:22,680
But one of the things that we want to do is spend time,

3051
05:08:22,780 --> 05:08:24,020
make sure people get the right size card.

3052
05:08:24,400 --> 05:08:27,780
But also we'll need to enhance our enforcement

3053
05:08:27,780 --> 05:08:30,460
and education program because we absolutely

3054
05:08:30,460 --> 05:08:31,480
really don't want that to happen.

3055
05:08:33,140 --> 05:08:37,240
And Mr. Chair, if I can add a little bit further, just based on experience that hasn't

3056
05:08:37,240 --> 05:08:40,660
really been a problem, my experience neither in Vancouver or in CalMOOPS.

3057
05:08:41,920 --> 05:08:46,960
In fact, speaking from personal experience when my neighbor had excess room and I had extra

3058
05:08:46,960 --> 05:08:50,360
garbage, they would allow me to use their bins so that does that does happen.

3059
05:08:51,280 --> 05:08:56,400
But with respect to extra bags showing up down and down alleys, that's not has not been

3060
05:08:56,400 --> 05:08:56,960
my experience.

3061
05:09:00,540 --> 05:09:01,220
Thank you.

3062
05:09:01,220 --> 05:09:06,620
Because I mean, I honestly have the same arrangement with both of my neighbors if they have excess.

3063
05:09:07,200 --> 05:09:10,480
We talk to each other. I know it's weird, but we actually do.

3064
05:09:11,060 --> 05:09:13,280
So I guess I'm never moving toward too.

3065
05:09:15,840 --> 05:09:18,360
So I've actually got a couple of questions.

3066
05:09:18,680 --> 05:09:27,940
So I've been contacted from a number of constituents with regards to this because they're really quite interested in this and they think it's a fantastic idea.

3067
05:09:27,940 --> 05:09:32,740
And unlike Ward 2, they actually want to go forward with the new system.

3068
05:09:33,440 --> 05:09:39,860
So several have suggested that this somewhat discriminates against families and larger families.

3069
05:09:40,120 --> 05:09:42,160
So how do we respond to that?

3070
05:09:44,580 --> 05:09:50,480
Through the chair, actually, Councillor Demogh, I think we're trying to facilitate larger families.

3071
05:09:50,680 --> 05:09:55,440
I mean, we have a postage stamp system right now that I think you could argue, discriminates,

3072
05:09:56,500 --> 05:09:57,680
I guess, universally.

3073
05:09:57,680 --> 05:10:09,960
So in this case for larger families and we're aware of cultural demographic differences throughout the city it provides an option for family units that have extended families

3074
05:10:11,240 --> 05:10:15,140
to be able to participate in the program without putting excess bags out.

3075
05:10:15,740 --> 05:10:18,700
I mean in a lot of the number of places throughout the city we experience that.

3076
05:10:18,700 --> 05:10:25,520
and I think even those residents are looking for bigger option to help them manage their waste,

3077
05:10:25,760 --> 05:10:28,500
the residual amount of material it can't be put in the green and the blue.

3078
05:10:29,140 --> 05:10:33,700
So I think from my perspective the contrary, it helps them with an option

3079
05:10:33,700 --> 05:10:38,540
that allows them to participate in the programs a little bit better.

3080
05:10:39,440 --> 05:10:44,240
Okay. So along those lines then, why?

3081
05:10:44,240 --> 05:10:49,300
Well, I guess you kind of answered the why we offer a 360 liter, it seems excessive.

3082
05:10:50,020 --> 05:10:54,900
Do we have that, you commented briefly, but do we actually have that problem with a lot

3083
05:10:54,900 --> 05:10:57,020
of bags on the outside of black bins?

3084
05:10:57,240 --> 05:11:03,200
I mean, when I'm driving into work on any given day during garbage day, I rarely see a

3085
05:11:03,200 --> 05:11:09,660
garbage bag outside of a black bin, and I'm just wondering, is it geographically unique

3086
05:11:09,660 --> 05:11:13,360
or do I, I'll just stop there.

3087
05:11:14,140 --> 05:11:15,380
Through the Chair, Councilor Desmond,

3088
05:11:15,800 --> 05:11:18,160
it does happen in certain areas of the city,

3089
05:11:18,340 --> 05:11:21,100
where there is a constant excess outside the cart

3090
05:11:21,100 --> 05:11:23,420
that we have to manage, and there's a cost to that.

3091
05:11:23,540 --> 05:11:27,920
There's a cost to the driver not only stopping

3092
05:11:27,920 --> 05:11:30,280
to service the cart, but stopping to service the cart

3093
05:11:30,280 --> 05:11:33,000
get out of the truck and manage that excess.

3094
05:11:33,940 --> 05:11:38,700
So, I would suggest that on any given day,

3095
05:11:39,800 --> 05:11:44,960
As Melanie indicated there can be bags outside the cart in any area of the city

3096
05:11:44,960 --> 05:11:47,060
And let me let me rephrase that and I'm sorry

3097
05:11:47,060 --> 05:11:48,220
I didn't mean to interrupt you there

3098
05:11:48,220 --> 05:11:54,540
But what I'm getting at is what is the context here? Is this is this like one in every three households is

3099
05:11:54,540 --> 05:12:00,940
I am trying to understand how much the extra bag by the garbage can actually happens

3100
05:12:02,680 --> 05:12:09,280
Through the chair. I think on average my understanding is that it is about 3% of households put out excess in any given week

3101
05:12:09,660 --> 05:12:10,820
Thank you, I like her.

3102
05:12:12,360 --> 05:12:19,420
So when we talk about multi-units,

3103
05:12:19,920 --> 05:12:22,600
are we going to be looking at mandating specific sizes

3104
05:12:22,600 --> 05:12:25,160
for a multi-unit home?

3105
05:12:26,080 --> 05:12:28,120
Through the chair, this is for single-family residential

3106
05:12:28,120 --> 05:12:30,540
up to four plexes, so they're outside of this.

3107
05:12:31,060 --> 05:12:33,640
That's kind of what I'm getting at for, say,

3108
05:12:33,900 --> 05:12:36,140
secondary suites for three plexes,

3109
05:12:36,480 --> 05:12:38,080
something along those lines where they're all

3110
05:12:38,080 --> 05:12:43,880
using one bin. Is that something that we've contemplated in any way, shape, or form?

3111
05:12:46,180 --> 05:12:52,400
Two chairs. So specifically, you're talking about legalized, secondary suite.

3112
05:12:52,400 --> 05:12:54,400
Of course, not the illegal ones.

3113
05:12:55,180 --> 05:12:56,860
I don't think we're mandating anything.

3114
05:12:57,080 --> 05:13:02,500
It's is what we're asking is that residents, whether there's, like we've talked about,

3115
05:13:02,600 --> 05:13:08,440
multi-families within an individual dwelling, reflect upon what they truly require from a way

3116
05:13:08,440 --> 05:13:11,180
servicing perspective in the size of the cart they choose.

3117
05:13:11,640 --> 05:13:14,760
So we're not going to mandate anything at the end of the day.

3118
05:13:14,860 --> 05:13:18,280
And again, I understand I'm just reflecting a number of the constituent questions that

3119
05:13:18,280 --> 05:13:19,180
have come my way.

3120
05:13:22,140 --> 05:13:26,240
So now moving into my questions, why no charge for a bin switch?

3121
05:13:26,880 --> 05:13:31,540
I'm finding that a little surprising that we would either allow them to go to a larger order

3122
05:13:31,540 --> 05:13:36,000
or to a smaller and have the taxpayer collectively pick up the difference.

3123
05:13:36,660 --> 05:13:37,380
Through the chair.

3124
05:13:37,380 --> 05:13:38,540
I don't think we've got all the difference.

3125
05:13:38,720 --> 05:13:40,300
I don't think we've determined that yet.

3126
05:13:40,820 --> 05:13:45,140
We have seen in, there's a range of possibilities available.

3127
05:13:45,340 --> 05:13:48,420
There's some municipalities that upon delivery

3128
05:13:48,420 --> 05:13:51,800
will allow one cart change free.

3129
05:13:52,140 --> 05:13:55,440
If you decide that you can't live within that existing cart,

3130
05:13:55,980 --> 05:13:59,440
others charge anywhere from $25 to $75 for a switch.

3131
05:14:00,000 --> 05:14:01,020
Okay, thank you.

3132
05:14:01,520 --> 05:14:03,040
So the other two items that are,

3133
05:14:03,160 --> 05:14:07,220
oh, the other two items I really wanted to know

3134
05:14:07,220 --> 05:14:12,540
about are the other options that you list on page 4 of 11, and I'm curious as to how

3135
05:14:12,540 --> 05:14:16,340
far aware of these potential programs, I'm specifically talking about the weight based

3136
05:14:16,340 --> 05:14:21,580
and the set out systems with the RIF tagging. Now, I realize with both of those,

3137
05:14:21,880 --> 05:14:26,760
you have the same potential problem that seems to happen in Ward 2 all the time with regards to

3138
05:14:26,760 --> 05:14:31,080
somebody putting their garbage in yours, and if you're weighing it, why am I paying for that difference?

3139
05:14:31,220 --> 05:14:35,640
I can see an awful lot of problems with the way scale differences to people saying, well, I didn't

3140
05:14:35,640 --> 05:14:40,900
put out that much weight. But the set-out system, I'm rather intrigued with the RIF and I'm

3141
05:14:40,900 --> 05:14:45,680
only going to put it out once a month. Through the Chair, Councillor Demont, weight-based

3142
05:14:45,680 --> 05:14:52,480
system is difficult because there's that calibration from a weighing perspective of the actual infrastructure

3143
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:29,980
Are in place scales at the landfill sites to minimum twice a year, and they're not moving. In the case of the truck, obviously, it's passing by tipping upwards of a thousand locations a day. So the opportunity for that to get out of whack is there. And from a weights and measures standpoint, that has to be bulletproof, less we have a problem with billing. I think that what you see from a weight-based system is more in place for the front end low

3144
05:15:29,980 --> 05:15:38,560
motor bins, the big bins that there is some municipalities that are using them, but

3145
05:15:38,560 --> 05:15:41,220
I haven't heard of too many using them for residential.

3146
05:15:41,440 --> 05:15:47,620
What they do use them for residential, you'll make note in the attachment there is a weight

3147
05:15:47,620 --> 05:15:49,620
limit in some municipalities.

3148
05:15:50,000 --> 05:15:54,640
And I believe the way that works is there's a breakaway system on the arm that once there's

3149
05:15:54,640 --> 05:15:59,680
a certain weight tolerance could be 250 odd pounds or something like that, it just won't

3150
05:15:59,680 --> 05:16:05,140
collected. Now, the RFID, it is very intriguing. I think I've talked about in council.

3151
05:16:05,320 --> 05:16:09,840
That would be a place we'd like one end up. What's interesting to me is that you have

3152
05:16:09,840 --> 05:16:14,340
a number of municipalities that are very mature in their programs, a variable cart, and have

3153
05:16:14,340 --> 05:16:20,240
an embraced RFID. In fact, you've noticed we've listed one. I will tell you that from an RFID

3154
05:16:20,240 --> 05:16:27,820
perspective, we are checking into it. I think what you will see, the application for variable

3155
05:16:27,820 --> 05:16:32,840
card will be on an inventory perspective to start with. So if we, when we position a

3156
05:16:32,840 --> 05:16:38,860
card in front of your home with a number, we'll be able to confirm on a weekly basis that

3157
05:16:38,860 --> 05:16:43,800
your card is in front of your home. Now that, I know that sounds silly, but the, the

3158
05:16:43,800 --> 05:16:50,160
cards, what we have seen in some jurisdictions on variable card, depending on the size, it

3159
05:16:50,160 --> 05:16:57,100
tends to wander down the lane. So the RFID provides an opportunity for us to confirm the

3160
05:16:57,100 --> 05:17:00,520
location of a cart is consistent with whether it's address assigned to.

3161
05:17:01,580 --> 05:17:04,260
Okay, and could you pull back up on the screen?

3162
05:17:04,540 --> 05:17:10,080
I can't remember what this page number was where you compared to other cities in the

3163
05:17:10,080 --> 05:17:12,200
costs and the annual fee.

3164
05:17:13,380 --> 05:17:15,180
I think it's page four.

3165
05:17:15,400 --> 05:17:15,940
Oh, there it is.

3166
05:17:16,380 --> 05:17:23,060
So I find it intriguing that Calgary, with the exception of Cawken, I'm very intrigued

3167
05:17:23,060 --> 05:17:29,220
does how they're doing it marginally cheaper, is actually by far cheaper than any of the other

3168
05:17:29,220 --> 05:17:37,980
cities that we've compared to. Is this indicative of most of the country with regards to benchmarking

3169
05:17:37,980 --> 05:17:42,360
ourselves against other municipalities? So this chart is a bit simplified because it's just

3170
05:17:42,360 --> 05:17:47,020
the 240-liter cart, so they also have the option, the ones that have variable carts have smaller and

3171
05:17:47,020 --> 05:17:53,580
larger cards too. So but the one card system where everybody gets the thing, it is the

3172
05:17:53,580 --> 05:17:58,820
chief of system to operate for sure. Not quite what I was trying to ask.

3173
05:17:58,820 --> 05:18:04,100
Sorry. I was trying to ask Calgary versus the other versus other municipalities.

3174
05:18:04,400 --> 05:18:09,700
Yeah. I guess what I'm saying is did we cherry pick cities that actually have a much higher

3175
05:18:10,260 --> 05:18:15,580
municipal waste annual fee or is this indicative of what it is like across the country?

3176
05:18:16,360 --> 05:18:25,940
So through the chat to answer your question, we chose these municipalities because of their variable cart program and the lessons that we could learn from them. So we didn't, we asked them about the rights afterwards.

3177
05:18:26,380 --> 05:18:28,840
Okay, Mr. Duckworth, you wanted to say something.

3178
05:18:29,600 --> 05:18:36,020
I was just going to say that the rates that you see before you hear, I mean, our rates are quite competitive.

3179
05:18:36,180 --> 05:18:41,100
There are some municipalities like British Columbia, for example, is their blue box program is funded provincially now.

3180
05:18:41,100 --> 05:18:45,960
So let's take another of these rates still when you look at that our rates are very competitive

3181
05:18:45,960 --> 05:18:51,320
Some of the rates that you see here are done with municipal staff some are actually done with the private sector

3182
05:18:51,320 --> 05:18:54,200
So by and large when you look across the country

3183
05:18:54,680 --> 05:18:56,880
Rates are per they're pretty similar

3184
05:18:57,320 --> 05:19:00,580
You look at some municipalities for example, and their rates are quite higher

3185
05:19:00,580 --> 05:19:02,300
But they have a different system as well

3186
05:19:02,300 --> 05:19:05,080
So when you compare rates and we're doing a service review right now

3187
05:19:05,080 --> 05:19:09,800
It's important to make sure that you compare apples to apples and we try to do that the best we could here

3188
05:19:09,800 --> 05:19:14,980
Okay. Thank you. And Chair, sorry for taking so long. I just had a whole lot of questions. Thank you. No worries.

3189
05:19:16,880 --> 05:19:17,820
Come for a gun deck.

3190
05:19:18,980 --> 05:19:25,440
Thank you, Chair. And committee, I apologize. I have to run to a family medical appointment in a minute. I appreciate the chance to weigh in first.

3191
05:19:26,760 --> 05:19:27,160
I

3192
05:19:27,160 --> 05:19:36,300
respect the work that you've done. I appreciate it. But when the second paragraph starts off with as a number of choices provided to residents increases, so to program costs

3193
05:19:37,360 --> 05:19:42,440
compounded by the fact that mixed impact on diversion rates and can increase the potential

3194
05:19:42,440 --> 05:19:43,180
for contamination.

3195
05:19:43,740 --> 05:19:48,260
I'm not usually so black and white about something either cost more, it doesn't I always look

3196
05:19:48,260 --> 05:19:52,380
for value, but on this one I'm not sold, that this is the right time to do this.

3197
05:19:52,840 --> 05:19:56,100
So I can't support the recommendation, although I'm not going to be here to vote anyway.

3198
05:19:57,120 --> 05:20:01,500
I was excited about weight-based, but now I'm a little down on that too.

3199
05:20:01,740 --> 05:20:04,960
So I'm afraid for me this wasn't much of a good news story.

3200
05:20:04,960 --> 05:20:14,180
Maybe in future years we would want to implement this, but at this point in time in our economy, I can't support it, so I apologize for that.

3201
05:20:18,090 --> 05:20:21,870
Thank you, Councillor, oh, I mean Mayor Nenji.

3202
05:20:23,070 --> 05:20:32,670
Thanks, thanks Mr. Chair. It's not my practice to come to committee, but I was listening to this debate and I wanted to weigh in because I feel actually a lot like Councillor Gondek.

3203
05:20:32,670 --> 05:20:39,810
And this is very good work, but I find myself asking myself the question, what problem

3204
05:20:39,810 --> 05:20:46,730
are we trying to solve, because when I think about, you know, the challenges we have

3205
05:20:46,730 --> 05:20:51,410
with the green bin, the only complaint I ever hear about the green bin, it's too big.

3206
05:20:53,090 --> 05:20:59,750
I have never heard that complaint about the black bin, and I'm a guy who probably puts his

3207
05:20:59,750 --> 05:21:02,510
black been out every six, eight weeks in the winter.

3208
05:21:04,770 --> 05:21:08,930
And so to me, I think there are two parts

3209
05:21:08,930 --> 05:21:10,330
of what's being recommended here.

3210
05:21:10,570 --> 05:21:12,290
And one part I actually very much like.

3211
05:21:12,350 --> 05:21:14,630
It's time to do bag and tag, tag a bag.

3212
05:21:14,830 --> 05:21:16,390
I think that makes tons of sense.

3213
05:21:16,790 --> 05:21:20,710
And I think that people can be thoughtful for when they

3214
05:21:22,390 --> 05:21:24,810
needed if they've got guests or whatever

3215
05:21:24,810 --> 05:21:26,990
if they're doing a project they can go and buy the tags.

3216
05:21:26,990 --> 05:21:27,910
I think that's terrific.

3217
05:21:27,910 --> 05:21:30,750
I am not sold on the variable card sizes.

3218
05:21:31,930 --> 05:21:36,830
You know, when I think about the incentive that we're giving people,

3219
05:21:37,290 --> 05:21:42,390
if we're selling them a large bag to not a large card, to not sort their trash,

3220
05:21:43,710 --> 05:21:46,910
it seems to me that that is a greater incentive than the financial incentive.

3221
05:21:47,190 --> 05:21:49,090
Oh, if I have less, I might go to a smaller card.

3222
05:21:50,710 --> 05:21:54,750
And, you know, well, that may reduce the contamination of the green and blue cards.

3223
05:21:54,750 --> 05:21:59,430
It does so in a way that is not particularly helpful for us because it increases landfill volume.

3224
05:21:59,610 --> 05:22:04,830
So that was my real thinking on this whole thing, and I just wonder if you might want to respond and tell me why I'm wrong.

3225
05:22:07,600 --> 05:22:10,980
To chair your worship, we're responding to two things.

3226
05:22:12,180 --> 05:22:17,020
I'm responding to inquiries from a number of members of council based on their constituents.

3227
05:22:17,300 --> 05:22:22,320
And we're also responding to what we saw from the citizen satisfaction survey,

3228
05:22:22,320 --> 05:22:30,460
the overall survey regarding citizen desires on service delivery and the desire that they

3229
05:22:30,460 --> 05:22:36,240
want choice in their programs and, you know, from a perspective of what we're feeling

3230
05:22:36,240 --> 05:22:42,080
at waste recycling services, we regularly hear from constituents who are doing the right

3231
05:22:42,080 --> 05:22:47,580
thing and participating in the car programs that are best extent and they want to be recognized

3232
05:22:47,580 --> 05:22:55,480
by that, for from a perspective of a smaller black cart and the opportunity to potentially

3233
05:22:55,480 --> 05:23:01,840
pay less. And what they're also interested in seeing is that accountability for the volume

3234
05:23:01,840 --> 05:23:07,100
of waste you put out. So they potentially could be looking at their neighbors and saying it

3235
05:23:07,100 --> 05:23:11,420
doesn't seem to me that that individual is doing everything they can to participate in the programs

3236
05:23:11,420 --> 05:23:15,760
and they regularly put out material outside the cart. This would obviously be a dress or a tag-a-back

3237
05:23:15,760 --> 05:23:22,600
program, but they want to see that accountability with respect to garbage production. And what

3238
05:23:22,600 --> 05:23:29,180
we have seen from a municipal scan perspective is a variation of a variable cart program

3239
05:23:29,180 --> 05:23:32,540
which we're promoting with the tag-back program can best accomplish that.

3240
05:23:36,000 --> 05:23:40,920
So given what you're saying Mr. Elder, I could even get my head around the smaller cart.

3241
05:23:42,380 --> 05:23:46,980
The bigger one is the one that is causing me a lot of pause. I was chatting with someone

3242
05:23:46,980 --> 05:23:51,000
today and I said, I'm a bad example because there's only two of us in the house and I'm never home,

3243
05:23:51,160 --> 05:23:55,220
right? And I said, I imagine if you have a kid in diapers and so on, you're going to need a

3244
05:23:55,220 --> 05:24:00,000
bigger spot. And she said, I've got a family of five, two very active kids, one of them is in diapers

3245
05:24:00,000 --> 05:24:05,600
and I don't feel half of it every two weeks. So I'm really wondering what the thinking around the

3246
05:24:05,600 --> 05:24:13,840
large card is. To the chair, thank you worship. It was to do with the larger family units,

3247
05:24:13,840 --> 05:24:16,800
And it's also from a worker safety perspective.

3248
05:24:17,260 --> 05:24:22,000
The opportunity for us, whether it's 3% or greater from an excess perspective, if there's

3249
05:24:22,000 --> 05:24:27,460
the opportunity for us to reduce the worker getting outside the truck and having to manually

3250
05:24:27,460 --> 05:24:34,120
lift garbage, like we've got away from an automated collection perspective, that's value from

3251
05:24:34,120 --> 05:24:34,420
us.

3252
05:24:34,780 --> 05:24:42,340
And we felt that in consideration of those family units that did and those areas of the city

3253
05:24:42,340 --> 05:24:47,380
that we did see a regular excess, this was an opportunity for us to provide an alternative

3254
05:24:47,380 --> 05:24:54,040
that would limit that and assist the homeowner with that waste management as well as facilitate

3255
05:24:54,040 --> 05:24:56,000
that work environment for our staff.

3256
05:24:57,240 --> 05:25:02,560
I imagine then that if this passes today, I was very compelling, but if this passes today

3257
05:25:03,180 --> 05:25:08,120
that your next job is to really do the financial modeling, but you're not quite there yet, because

3258
05:25:08,120 --> 05:25:10,840
is I really want to understand the capital costs

3259
05:25:11,320 --> 05:25:13,560
of that versus the operating cost savings

3260
05:25:14,240 --> 05:25:16,600
and the occupational health and safety savings

3261
05:25:16,600 --> 05:25:18,500
for the people who are picking up the waste

3262
05:25:18,500 --> 05:25:20,320
before I make a final decision on this.

3263
05:25:21,700 --> 05:25:23,760
Through the chair, thank you, worship absolutely.

3264
05:25:24,060 --> 05:25:25,960
And that's, there is work to be done

3265
05:25:26,380 --> 05:25:28,400
on development of an implementation plan.

3266
05:25:30,180 --> 05:25:33,560
It's interesting, Melanie indicated that,

3267
05:25:34,240 --> 05:25:35,660
you see the majority of municipalities

3268
05:25:35,660 --> 05:25:40,720
Valley's put in a variable car system when they actually introduce automated collection

3269
05:25:40,720 --> 05:25:41,320
to start with.

3270
05:25:42,000 --> 05:25:48,020
So you could argue that that price structure can be accommodated within that full implementation

3271
05:25:48,020 --> 05:25:53,460
and what we are dealing with here obviously is we have a three car program already in place

3272
05:25:54,120 --> 05:26:01,340
and we are introducing that variability component as our diversion programs are maturing

3273
05:26:01,340 --> 05:26:07,240
and the opportunity for the resident to truly understand the level of waste from a garbage

3274
05:26:07,240 --> 05:26:13,560
perspective that they need servicing for. So, you're absolutely right. That will be

3275
05:26:13,560 --> 05:26:15,780
a big part of the work we do over the next several months.

3276
05:26:18,660 --> 05:26:24,340
You know, there's an interesting thing here, which is, well, I'm getting a type of medical, but,

3277
05:26:24,740 --> 05:26:29,700
you know, I'm just thinking for a guy like me, you know, the next question I would ask you is G,

3278
05:26:29,700 --> 05:26:35,420
Can I not have any bins and I'll just tag my bag once every eight weeks when I put something out?

3279
05:26:35,880 --> 05:26:40,540
So at what point do we you know, stop that level of customer choice?

3280
05:26:41,980 --> 05:26:48,600
Through the chair your worship once again, I'll point to the manual collection component of that and we're trying to eliminate

3281
05:26:49,200 --> 05:26:49,720
that

3282
05:26:51,020 --> 05:26:52,060
physical interaction

3283
05:26:53,020 --> 05:26:57,160
with collecting excess waste and the you know, we recall

3284
05:26:57,160 --> 05:27:15,340
Well, 2009 black cart, 2009 was, 2011 black cart was introduced and it was really a move away from any level of manual collection because worker injury in the waste management business is from that manual collection component. So we're trying to get away from that.

3285
05:27:17,180 --> 05:27:22,640
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll consider that part of your debate by the way, the way you were phrasing it.

3286
05:27:22,640 --> 05:27:27,080
100% part of my debate. I won't come back. Councilor Farrell, please.

3287
05:27:28,000 --> 05:27:33,540
Thank you. A couple of questions. Councilor Meglio, can I? We're talking this morning. We're both

3288
05:27:33,540 --> 05:27:40,320
very concerned about plastics. And I know that Councilor Meglio, because particularly concerned about

3289
05:27:40,960 --> 05:27:50,920
plastic bags, I did encourage him to not have bottled water today. So thank you. That's great.

3290
05:27:50,920 --> 05:27:55,920
Does this encourage the use of plastic bags with

3291
05:27:58,570 --> 05:27:59,210
the tag-a-bag?

3292
05:28:01,290 --> 05:28:08,470
Through the chair, the requirement is certainly for properly packaged material outside

3293
05:28:08,470 --> 05:28:08,810
the car.

3294
05:28:08,950 --> 05:28:12,590
Currently our use of that is for a garbage bag absolutely.

3295
05:28:13,730 --> 05:28:18,930
So, but there's no, it's structured so that it's not an incentive to create.

3296
05:28:18,930 --> 05:28:28,730
We want a disincentive to waste, and so does this work toward that?

3297
05:28:29,230 --> 05:28:34,110
I hardly have any garbage, so I like the idea of having a little bit, but I'm just

3298
05:28:34,110 --> 05:28:43,610
wondering about the tag-a-bag, is it expensive enough to actually help us with the right behavior?

3299
05:28:44,370 --> 05:28:48,190
Through the Chair, great, great question, Councilor Farrell, depending on what you see

3300
05:28:48,190 --> 05:28:52,930
across the country, those tags, I think, General Manager Duckworth indicated three to four

3301
05:28:52,930 --> 05:28:57,810
dollars per bag. That's, if you think about the context of what the cart would be on a monthly

3302
05:28:57,810 --> 05:29:03,510
basis, it's pretty pricey. To be putting out a bag, we've seen, if I recall, through the scan,

3303
05:29:03,650 --> 05:29:07,810
the bags can be as expensive as five dollars. So what, and you're recommending how much?

3304
05:29:08,290 --> 05:29:11,330
I have it. I haven't figured, we haven't figured that out yet.

3305
05:29:11,730 --> 05:29:16,670
Okay, so we had expensive enough that it doesn't become the fallback.

3306
05:29:16,670 --> 05:29:22,770
Correct. If you take a look at, we have a number of people living air-dry, apparently their tax system is $3 per bag.

3307
05:29:23,370 --> 05:29:31,190
Okay, all right. No, that makes sense. One thing that we talked about when we were discussing the whole curbside

3308
05:29:32,290 --> 05:29:42,810
program was that we would bring in tag-a-bag after we introduced compostables, green cart. And so this is really

3309
05:29:42,810 --> 05:29:47,510
following up on a long strategy that we've been talking about from the very beginning.

3310
05:29:48,590 --> 05:29:55,030
And would you consider this best practices then to have variable cards? I'm a bit concerned

3311
05:29:55,030 --> 05:29:55,850
learned about the big card.

3312
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:28,980
Anyone could possibly fill a cart. However, the smaller ones, it's a really incentive to reduce our waste. Through the chair, based on what we're seeing across the country, this is a really reasonable program, three carts with a tag of bag. We've seen, I think Vancouver, General Manager Ducquo, they had five sizes, something smaller than the 120. And from an operational perspective,

3313
05:30:28,980 --> 05:30:35,780
of their feedback to us was try to avoid that number of cards and getting too small because

3314
05:30:36,300 --> 05:30:41,580
the point was made by the public that you start getting too small.

3315
05:30:41,780 --> 05:30:46,500
There are climatic conditions in Calgary that can cause issues from our servicing perspective.

3316
05:30:47,140 --> 05:30:51,440
But we do have experience with the 120 because we did have that in the pilot programs for

3317
05:30:51,440 --> 05:30:52,460
the organics programs.

3318
05:30:53,180 --> 05:30:54,740
I don't know if that answers your question or not.

3319
05:30:54,980 --> 05:30:55,460
Yeah, it does.

3320
05:30:55,900 --> 05:30:56,260
Thank you.

3321
05:30:57,600 --> 05:31:07,000
Okay. Thank you. As we need to mover, if there is going to be a mover for the final recommendation.

3322
05:31:07,400 --> 05:31:10,420
I'll move the recommendations. As we put it up on the screen.

3323
05:31:11,560 --> 05:31:22,760
As I had mentioned, this is a long standing plan that we had anticipated when we first introduced curbside recycling.

3324
05:31:22,760 --> 05:31:33,520
and it's a natural progression and it helps improve behavior and reward people who generate less garbage.

3325
05:31:34,080 --> 05:31:36,520
So I will, I'll move the recommendations.

3326
05:31:37,420 --> 05:31:40,340
Okay. Thank you for debate, Councillor Demont.

3327
05:31:41,960 --> 05:31:44,920
So just a one more quick question of administration.

3328
05:31:45,260 --> 05:31:47,880
What is the life cycle of our bins?

3329
05:31:49,280 --> 05:31:50,220
Are we expecting?

3330
05:31:50,220 --> 05:31:55,060
Through the chair, 10 years, 10-year life cycle for the car.

3331
05:31:55,120 --> 05:31:58,740
Black bins that we brought out in 2009 were expecting to start rotating out already.

3332
05:31:59,940 --> 05:32:01,560
That seems excessive.

3333
05:32:02,340 --> 05:32:09,180
I think the manufacturer's life cycle, but I think we're finding that they're lasting

3334
05:32:09,180 --> 05:32:16,720
longer than their, sort of the life cycle in the books, and the actual life cycle is probably

3335
05:32:16,720 --> 05:32:17,180
a bit longer.

3336
05:32:23,280 --> 05:32:27,800
I'm going to admit, Council, that I was one of the parties that was very interested

3337
05:32:27,800 --> 05:32:34,660
in seeing this varying cart sizes report come forward because I was absolutely fascinated

3338
05:32:34,660 --> 05:32:37,280
with how other municipalities were going forward with it.

3339
05:32:38,180 --> 05:32:45,020
I wanted to see what the numbers looked like, what the actual reality on the ground actually

3340
05:32:45,020 --> 05:32:45,400
is.

3341
05:32:46,260 --> 05:32:53,880
I'm actually really surprised, I have to say, I'm surprised at the negatives that are

3342
05:32:53,880 --> 05:33:01,800
seem to be showing up on this and as much as it would seem to be from an optics point

3343
05:33:01,800 --> 05:33:10,020
of view, the right way to go to avoid excessive garbage to the landfill to actually allow choice

3344
05:33:10,020 --> 05:33:16,760
to the consumer but from what the report seems to indicate is that it's almost the reverse

3345
05:33:16,760 --> 05:33:26,810
that we have a higher rate of how did we word that higher rate of contamination. Thank

3346
05:33:26,810 --> 05:33:32,010
you. And that concerns me greatly considering that we already have contamination issues due

3347
05:33:32,010 --> 05:33:40,370
to the SOARD program. The actual added expense and cost with regards to collection, not just

3348
05:33:40,370 --> 05:33:47,090
collection, but sorry, not expense to collection, but for administration and capital cost of new

3349
05:33:47,090 --> 05:33:53,250
bins. I'm almost wondering if this is something that we should be setting back and looking at for

3350
05:33:53,250 --> 05:34:00,350
when these bins actually start looking at a new end of life. So if we were to look at this more

3351
05:34:00,350 --> 05:34:06,410
in the 2025 range, where a lot of the bins would need to be replaced anyway, this would seem to be

3352
05:34:06,410 --> 05:34:10,950
a more logical location instead of actually just spending 10 million and having these extra

3353
05:34:10,950 --> 05:34:16,450
bins around. I thank you immensely for the report because it answers a lot of questions

3354
05:34:16,450 --> 05:34:24,070
that I actually did have, but at this point I'm not going to vote in favor of it. I'm kind

3355
05:34:24,070 --> 05:34:29,070
of, I actually have to say I'm quite shocked at what the report, not that it's a bad report,

3356
05:34:29,410 --> 05:34:35,050
but what the information came back as because it would seem to be the right way to go but just

3357
05:34:35,050 --> 05:34:39,530
doesn't seem to be. So with that I'm not going to be voting in favor of it, Chair.

3358
05:34:42,320 --> 05:34:46,920
Mr. Mayor, your heads are debate. I'm going to attempt to referral if you don't mind, Mr. Chair.

3359
05:34:47,260 --> 05:34:54,540
Sure. I'm in the same boat as Councillor DeWong, but I don't want to throw the baby out with the black

3360
05:34:54,540 --> 05:34:59,180
bin here, because I think that there's an opportunity here, so I'm going to test committee's will on a

3361
05:34:59,180 --> 05:35:05,920
referral. And I'm going to suggest that we refer this report back to administration to return with

3362
05:35:05,920 --> 05:35:11,440
the financial model as opposed to an implementation plan to return with a financial model, including

3363
05:35:11,440 --> 05:35:16,360
an option for tag of egg only, no later than Q4.

3364
05:35:20,820 --> 05:35:24,280
Your worship and consideration on one Calgary.

3365
05:35:24,440 --> 05:35:26,140
Could you delay it till Q1?

3366
05:35:26,140 --> 05:35:27,180
Q1, Q1, Q1, 2019.

3367
05:35:27,480 --> 05:35:27,560
Right.

3368
05:35:28,100 --> 05:35:29,400
Because I need to see the numbers.

3369
05:35:29,940 --> 05:35:34,700
I'm where Councillor Dumont is, but I'd like to see the numbers on the capital in operating

3370
05:35:34,700 --> 05:35:38,920
costs and savings, but I don't want you to have to do the whole implementation plan for

3371
05:35:38,920 --> 05:35:43,480
to go out those numbers don't make sense. So that's my attempt, Mr. Chair.

3372
05:35:44,580 --> 05:35:52,020
Thank you. Is it getting typed up now? Okay. Debate on the amendment. Councillor

3373
05:35:52,020 --> 05:35:54,480
Debonne. Yeah, on the referral.

3374
05:35:56,600 --> 05:36:01,700
I'm intrigued as well. I am concerned that I don't see any of

3375
05:36:01,700 --> 05:36:07,980
the capital costs changing. I don't see a saving much on the operational side. It's more

3376
05:36:07,980 --> 05:36:13,000
more of a flow-through operational savings to the consumer if I'm not, if I'm understanding this correctly.

3377
05:36:13,300 --> 05:36:14,700
Am I administration?

3378
05:36:17,300 --> 05:36:20,680
Through the Chair, are you talking about the total operational costs of the program

3379
05:36:20,680 --> 05:36:21,820
relative to what they are now?

3380
05:36:22,260 --> 05:36:22,400
Yes.

3381
05:36:22,920 --> 05:36:28,280
Well, there'll be additional, obviously, we'll have those capital costs to include from an

3382
05:36:28,280 --> 05:36:32,320
operational perspective specific to things like cardinatory management.

3383
05:36:33,240 --> 05:36:35,880
So there will be some additional operational costs.

3384
05:36:35,880 --> 05:36:41,060
So as far as operational savings, we wouldn't be looking at that so much, not so much.

3385
05:36:41,360 --> 05:36:49,440
Okay, so like I said, I would be more intrigued in something like this.

3386
05:36:49,640 --> 05:36:52,600
I think we're looking at the wrong cycle.

3387
05:36:53,040 --> 05:36:58,160
The 2019-22 would seem to be too early if we're going to do this.

3388
05:36:58,160 --> 05:37:04,260
Why not tie it into a cycle where we're going to be looking at life cycling out the bins anyway?

3389
05:37:04,260 --> 05:37:11,580
And I was kind of hoping kind of the mayor would listen and hopefully do the referral for a different budget cycle rather than just this

3390
05:37:12,500 --> 05:37:13,360
Simply because

3391
05:37:14,720 --> 05:37:22,700
So that that's where I'm coming from budget cycle because it's 2019 it's over already we go with the cycle before the 19th

3392
05:37:23,660 --> 05:37:30,960
No, they're talking about putting in student this in the 2019 to 2022 for your budget cycle and I'm saying if we're going to refer it

3393
05:37:31,440 --> 05:37:35,800
Why wouldn't we wait until the bins are up for life cycle renewal?

3394
05:37:36,640 --> 05:37:37,080
I

3395
05:37:42,000 --> 05:37:43,860
just like to see the numbers as soon as possible.

3396
05:37:44,400 --> 05:37:54,760
I think at that point, Council could easily say, go, wait for four years or wait until the bins are ready and that'll become part of the financial model when we're replacing them anyway.

3397
05:37:56,760 --> 05:38:03,860
Or let's not do this and I think that if we have all that before us early next year, we've got plenty of time for this Council to make a decision.

3398
05:38:03,860 --> 05:38:04,880
Okay,

3399
05:38:08,780 --> 05:38:10,340
and so with that, I hope you'll support the referral.

3400
05:38:10,800 --> 05:38:11,240
Okay, close.

3401
05:38:11,700 --> 05:38:12,020
Okay.

3402
05:38:12,380 --> 05:38:14,280
We'll do the vote on the referral.

3403
05:38:14,680 --> 05:38:15,120
On favor?

3404
05:38:16,200 --> 05:38:16,760
Great.

3405
05:38:18,060 --> 05:38:18,620
Opposed?

3406
05:38:21,280 --> 05:38:21,800
You were neither.

3407
05:38:24,630 --> 05:38:25,190
Okay.

3408
05:38:25,470 --> 05:38:26,090
A silent agree.

3409
05:38:27,810 --> 05:38:28,750
Ha ha ha.

3410
05:38:28,830 --> 05:38:29,110
Okay.

3411
05:38:29,750 --> 05:38:30,550
Thank you.

3412
05:38:30,870 --> 05:38:31,630
Thank you very much.

3413
05:38:31,870 --> 05:38:35,530
And motion to adjourn, Councillor Demogne.

3414
05:38:38,060 --> 05:38:38,620
No?

3415
05:38:39,800 --> 05:38:40,220
We are not.

3416
05:38:42,380 --> 05:38:42,940
No.

3417
05:38:43,620 --> 05:38:43,940
No.

3418
05:38:43,940 --> 05:38:47,340
No. We pushed it to Council, we voted on that earlier.

3419
05:38:48,120 --> 05:38:49,660
We are finished the agenda.

3420
05:38:50,460 --> 05:38:56,520
A motion to adjourn, Councillor De Maun, a motion to adjourn, Councillor Farrell.

3421
05:38:56,900 --> 05:38:58,780
Thank you, a great post.

3422
05:38:59,820 --> 05:39:00,800
We did it before lunch hour.