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welcome senator wiener you may
press your bill. Okay and
minimize your this is a senate
bill works yes sorry yes we are
- will be reviewing s. B. For.
the senate wiener. Thank you
very much my to my her-
colleagues are senate bill- will
our and non call. To you their
and- to- 1100% of housing- it
will address owning and also the
- so that we can to- do new
homes- we have- a lot of work
and research years to try to
address. Severe housing shortage
where she million of home- and
we know that probably so around
house that short is our homes
are hello market rate which is
what this bill- addresses. We
know that our churches
synagogues mosques and other
religious institutions as well
as nonprofit colleges have a lot
of lands and often they have way
more land than they need whether
it's a church or synagogue that
has a parking lot that's three
times as big as what their
congregation needs warts are
simply have land that they're
not. Using and we know the date-
often want to build housing to
promote their mission to provide
housing. For people however due
to zoning restrictions and
approval- limitations are there
sometimes it's- difficult or
often impossible. For them to do
so we know that- from- analysis
a few years ago from the turner
center which is being updated as
we speak. Looking at only the
largest counties in california
so not even all the counties a
small subset of the counties
said in a fight- I believe-
thirty eight thousand acres are
potentially a potential plans.
for affordable housing if you
take the whole state and god in
the nonprofit colleges it's a
lot more. This will be a game
changer. For the construction of
. 101% of portable housing- open
up tens of acres of land. That
will be affected prioritize-
builders particular non does the
bill that bill a hundred for
housing they won't have to can.
with the market rate developers
which is often a barrier in
terms of accessing. Land bill is
- we hi first the in twenty
twenty a it passed the senate
thirty nine to nothing- I was
very proud of that broad bi
partisan support for this bill-
among members because we know
there are members in both
parties who have. A lot of
different pages on housing it
really was a unifying. Bill we
did a lot of work in this
committee and also in the
governance and finance committee
that you're on the bill to try
to really respect the local
context in terms of neighborhood
issues- and we've honored all of
those agreements- from twenty
twenty. We have a massive
coalition- behind this bill of
affordable housing advocates
faith based. Organizations and
advocates- are labor unions-
business organizations I'm very
proud of this broad coalition
and I respectfully ask your aye
vote. With me today to testify
and I know will probably
established. Moments but with me
today to tell. Is tied from the
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atop thank you. Thank you madam
vice chair no to our witnesses.
thank you chair and committee
member- test finds the of senate
for on behalf and housing this
or california unease abram d. As
in on the policy director from
ph. M. Ph represent around seven
hundred and fifty affordable
housing builders advocates and
community leaders working to
support the creation and
preservation of affordable homes
across california. As we all
know the shortage of housing has
created a desperate crisis first
stay in california's families
last year the california
department of housing and
community development released a
report enumerated in our
challenge we need to build at
least one million affordable
units over the next eight to ten
years. Has large property
holders faith based institutions
and private colleges are an
important position help us meet
this need as previously stated
there tens of thousands of acres
that are possible for us to use
to build affordable housing many
in very higher particularly
areas. These organizations as
long standing community anchors
which to lead in addressing our
housing and homeless crisis our
faith partner see this as an
extension of not only their
mission but also their moral
calling. The problem we're
trying to solve is that while
many these institutions are
ready to build and support
affordable housing the current
zoning prevents it our partners
you can take a year at the
minimum and we're typically
several years to all these
projects to move forward. That
kind of delay can cost us
hundreds of thousands of dollars
on these units and discourages
and prevents us from building
homes for low income families
and working families. This bill
insure that we apply reasonable
streamlining principles that are
religious communities can't open
their doors to californians in
need. We ballots approach by
including strong labor
requirements and worker
protections as well. As you can
see the analysis the bill has
support for about a hundred and
eighty groups from across the
state. Including labor equity
housing groups faith groups.
offer muslim jewish and
christian communities as well.
well collectively- just support
and I'm happy to help. Answer
questions as needed thank you.
thank you madam chair and
committee members and thank you
senator wiener for authoring
this important legislation. And
thank you to jake pet cat pack
and all of the co sponsors of
this bill for championing this
effort on behalf of california
communities of faith. My name is
rabbi mona alfi and the senior
rabbi at congregation b'nai.
israel you're in sacramento
sacramento's largest synagogue.
and the oldest synagogue in the
state of california. The most
repeated commandment in the
torah is love your neighbor as
yourself. For you were slaves in
the land of egypt. Cities across
california are facing a housing
crisis housing and homelessness
crisis and we're seeing our
neighbors live in the streets.
in astounding numbers. Driven by
our jewish values in our own
history of oppression countless
synagogues are eager to address
our homeless crisis homelessness
crisis. And support our
neighbors that are most in need.
and we know that our friends in
the muslim christian and other
faith communities share the same
important values. Faith
communities are some of the
state's leading organizers of
volunteering charity efforts to
help our neighbors experiencing
homelessness. But food your
donation drives temporary
shelter options and similar
campaigns are largely bandaid
solutions. Just yesterday the
sacramento bee reported a third
death this winter due to the- to
weather. Inclement weather for
people who are homeless. The
jewish sage maimonides has a
famous teaching about the latter
of giving charity. Where the
highest rung the most impactful
way you can give is to help
someone succeed themselves. In
fact this lesson is sometimes
credited as inspiration for the
proverb about teaching a man to
fish. Our community is
desperately want to create
permanent solutions for those
experiencing poverty hunger
housing insecurity and
homelessness. And we we're ready
with a quip for it synagogues
and other faith institutions own
large properties all over the
state's many in communities
where portable housing is
desperately needed. And many
with lan to spare. But we need
to pass this bill to remove the
red tape and prohibitive.
processes that make it hard to
build a portable housing. For
some pay institution this op.
could be their lifeline
providing revenue that can
stabilize their organization's
finances. This bill is a
creative solution to address the
critical issue of our time. And
gives it if communities of faith
important opportunity to form a
real minutes for. A kind and
loving deed for our neighbors
thank you for your consideration
. Thank you very much. Never
will now move on to. Which lead
witnesses. In support here in
room twelve hundred. Do we have
any witnesses in support of sb
four here in room twelve hundred
here they come. Sign up right
here. You can. Madam chairman
still the s. Shot here on behalf
of the of santa monica and
strong support thank you. Good
afternoon man turn numbers
caroling about the city and
county of san francisco in
support. Good afternoon my name
is simply customer policy
advocate for western center on
law and poverty we have a
support if amended position and
look forward to conversations to
ensure that the projects are
located on toxic land thank you
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public affairs and our clients.
spur and habitat for humanity
and support. And you have
renters city lawcenter skidrow
nonprofit. Pro bono law firm we
are excited to sponsor and
support this bill. Scissor
rodriguez proud member of
carpenters local one fifty two I
reside in stockton california
selma king county I stand it
support with my brothers and
sisters today and for s. B. Four
we need housing now thank you.
good afternoon I'm the reverend
dr mary craves a presbyterian
pastor from redwood city and
because I know of an increasing
number of churches that have
both the property and the
passion. To provide affordable
housing- here to support as
before. Good afternoon my name's
called swarms I'm a resident of
sacramental a member of local
forty six an inmate here here in
favor of us sb four thank you.
my name's robin dr penny nixon
from the county of san matteo
codirector the peninsula
solidarity cohort and right now
I'm working with five churches
who desperately desire to build
affordable housing on their land
. My name is reverend dr marlon
bessie I pastor in san mateo
california and I'm the co
director of the peninsula
solidarity cohort my church is
one of the ones. That is
actively trying to build
affordable housing in san mateo
fired your support press before
thank you. Hey my name is almost
not- I am currently in east bay
umb lead volunteer I'm
originally based in oakland park
is the- originally based in
modesto california central
valley currently in oakland
right now I'm here. And support
on behalf of espn bees and also
myself for sb four- thank you
and state- good afternoon my
name is doctor tervis page
aminopterin universalist
minister in san mateo and also
with the peninsula saudi energy
cohort to. Be here to show my
support. My name is krista
hansen I am a member of
peninsula solidarity cohort and
of the congregational church is
san matteo and we very very much
want this bill to pass. I could
afternoon lewis monday with bury
council we represent about three
hundred and thirty of the bay
area's largest employers and I
think housing is the number one
issue for our region to solve-
we're here in strong support of
s. Before today thank you. My
name is dick and lauren mccomb's
I am a deacon in the episcopal
church I'm a member of peninsula
solidarity cohort and also faith
in action bay area it's time. To
support housing in our area I
support s. Before thank you for
your time. Madam chair scott
governor behalf the construction
employers association in support
. Madam chairman is pastor
curtis smith of the pastors
destiny christian center
stockton california. Also
director for faith in the valley
and I'm here in strong support
of its before. Good afternoon
madam chair and committee
members my name's maria coronado
with selfless mountain states
carpenters proud member of local
three two three and we support
as before thank you. Good
afternoon my name's alex are
calling a policy manager at mid
penn housing affordable housing
developer and we stand in strong
support of this before. Good
afternoon mainly maintenance for
the southwest regional mountain
states mountain states regional
council of carpenters and member
of local etal five we're in
strong support of. His before
thank you. Good afternoon my
name is at the ventura I'm a
represented with the southwest
mountain states regional council
of carpenters representing
ventura santa barbara san luis
obispo county we strongly
support this before thank you.
madam chair members of the
committee jordan plan a kind of
a hard on behalf of californian
be instructs report thank you.
hello my name is sam the
director of mission housing
development corporation in san
francisco on affordable housing
provider I'm here today on
behalf of mission mercy housing
tenderloin housing clinic in the
john store company as well as
bridge housing and we are here
in strong support of this before
thank you. Hi glorified
executive director of the in the
action and on behalf of our
three thousand members across
california in strong support.
I'm lisa moss and I'm a member
of san francisco u. M. B. And I
am very strong support events
before. Good afternoon sure
numbers jordan crimes on behalf
of environmental nonprofit green
built alliance here in strong
support of this before thank you
. Hello my name is a totally is
carper's local twenty to thirty
six out of oakland and I'm a
strong supporter of this before
thank you. Good afternoon
everybody my name somebody. On
behalf of nor cal carpenters
union in strong support. Rauner
let solano county resident
carpenters local one eighty nor
cal carpenters in strong support
. Hi my name's ira kaplan I'm a
member of san francisco again be
I'm here in strong support of
this before thank you. Hello
everyone matthew miller norco
carpenters I'm a member of
carpenters are troubled others
local ninety sixty eight in
livermore in strong support. And
we need housing in the peninsula
badly. Afternoon everyone- zac
bowling- volunteer lead with
east bay m. B. I'm here in
strong support for us before
thank you. Good afternoon alleys
a permit on behalf of the
housing action coalition and
enthusiastic support but I'm
also here because I've been
housing insecure my entire life
and we need solutions now thank
you. Good afternoon my name is
ralph sonnenfeld I'm with you
can be action and I'm here on
behalf of chapters and partners
espn be grow the richmond
mountain view yimby napa solano
for everyone northern neighbors
peninsula for everyone progress
no we valley san francisco emb
santa cruz in b. Santa rosa can
be slow cøng. B. South bay m. B.
sell side ford urban
environments manelis and people
for housing orange county thank
you. Right okay now red and here
on behalf of how to eighty you
in the twenty thousand
homeowners in our community in
strong support of us before. Hi
susan setter homes san francisco
emb member I live in support of
housing and I'm grateful and I
want more people. To have the
same opportunities. Hello alex
nylander as I work in the action
I'm also a member of peninsula
for everyone in strong support
of s. Before. Hi I am just in
markets with enterprise
community partners for a
national affordable housing
nonprofit and on behalf of our
san francisco la and stockton
offices were here in strong
support thank you. Good
afternoon that the legacy of
kings here on behalf of all home
and sb silicon valley action fan
. Afternoon pass today picture
embrace church an organizer with
faith in the valley in strong
support of s. Before we need
housing now. Good afternoon my
name's courtney pal and with
resources for community
development or and nonprofit
housing developer in support of
us before. Good afternoon cassie
manzini on behalf of the
california school employees
association and strong support.
afternoon madam chair edward
evans carpenters local two
seventeen nor cal carpenters in
strong support of as before.
what estado minimalist ideas and
diesel so to present them that
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because a little slim people
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madam chair to doug excel
because states count carp rep
locals one nine sandia impair
county where strong support for
us beef thank. Thank mister
chair cliff here on behalf of
shape the g. Public affairs.
representing over major or- cal
from c. Diego northern cal
please vehicle sponsor of before
. After d'amico carpenter locals
fifty one says no we can in
strong support sb. Muncher my
name is cheryl mccurry I'm
fitter center for kerr look
twenty two surfaced. Nor caucus
union and for thank you. Good
afternoon my name is martinez
but I was a proud member of the
carpenters union is strong
support for s. Before. They have
to do my name isn't on when you
also nor cal carpenters local
seven thirteen out of hayward in
strong support of this before.
bring a white with the
california housing consortium in
support. Good afternoon rebekah
markets on behalf of leading h.
california in support. Good
afternoon jason martinez from
the carpenters local seven one
out of fresno masalah proud
military veterans- in support.
good afternoon travis alexander
nor cal carpenters union in
fresno county resident here in
strong support of this before.
good afternoon this is my final
comment is local eighty nine
solano county in strong support
of his before thanks. Hi melanie
how wine truppe I'm here
representing temple isaiah in
contra costa county and hopes
solutions which is a- home
provider in contra costa. In
support of us before. Hi can
warn with the multi faith action
coalition shelter and housing
task force in contra costa
county in strong support of this
before. Hello scott little hill
resident of richmond california
proud member of nor cal
carpenters local union one five
two and contra costa counties
strong support best before. Find
douglas leach I would like to
I'm a member of the multi faith
action coalition and would like
to also- on behalf of this
social justice alliance of the
interfaith council of contra
costa county register. Of that
both organizations strong
supporter best before. Good
afternoon my name is jesse
problems proud member of the nor
cal carpenters union and
president seven thirteen
representing alameda county and
we're strong support of this
before thank you. Good afternoon
everyone I local seven thirteen
I support as before thank you.
thanks for. Good afternoon
daniel greg member nor cal
carpenters union local twenty
thirty six in oakland strong
support sb four thank you. Good
afternoon dan cal mucci
carpenters local twenty two in
san francisco here in strong
support of s. Before. Good
afternoon my name is juan
espinoza I'm a proud member of
nor call carpenters union local
two seventeen in some auto
county. And I'm here in support
of- is before thank you for. Hi
david on behalf of the budget
san francisco standing with our
partners in the carpenters union
in strong support. Good
afternoon my name is doug
chesshyre I'm a proud member of
carpenters local six oh five
monterey county here in strong
support of this before. Good
afternoon my name is laura
drastic I'm a proud member of
the nor cal carpenters local
four oh five san jose california
and I'm in strong support of s.
before. My name is a cable I am
a resident of pleasanton which
is a little town in alameda
county. Animal the union rep
with the carpenters and I'm in
support for this bill thank you
. Hello my name is francisco
martinez someone up county
resident and on the field with
with a local carpenter saw local
twenty to twenty six and I'm in
support of flies before. My
number is move several places
that keep it up we are let you
civic what through. It the
missouri booted off their queue
the little because the window
units on with the for. I use
that as a us out as the- hosting
is the person noted the rest.
merrill lynch health so of local
house finance agency in strong
support of s. B. For. Good
afternoon my name is luke
brattan mot proud member the nor
cal carpenters union in support
of. This before thank you. Hi I
am karen sandel yak co founder
from foundation community
housing and support thanks. Hi I
am brian leahy I'm part of a a.
r. P.'s response team and are
three point two million members
we're strong support of s. S.
before. Mark stivers for the
california housing partnership
in strong support. Madam chair
members good afternoon james
director of the california state
council labor's part being
support. Twenty with the a
california apartment
association's from support
thanks. April atkins proud
member of local twenty two san
francisco strong support thank
you for allowing me to speak.
good afternoon j. Bratcher
executive officer nor cal
carpenters union on behalf her
thirties over thirty six
thousand hard working men and
women out in the field in twenty
two local unions we strongly
support as before thank you.
good afternoon my name is one
barbosa and I'm representing-
local coverage local five zero
five in santa cruz california-
in strong support of as before.
canister from ninety one forty
four in san jose I strongly
support as before. Once the
containers travel a lot as
livermore california sport is
before. Foundries from local
fifty nine nine redding
california I strongly support as
before. My name's chris martinez
local fifty nine nine redding
california and I strongly
support. My name is jerry chan
tapia from local forty six
sacramento and I strongly
support its before. My name's
dave on adelina twenty five year
member of laughter sixty eight
out of oakland I support
commonsense legislation like
this before. Because out of san
jose local four five carpenters
and support the sb. Four regally
out a little ninety one forty
four out of san jose california
I truly support as before. A
little three local ninety one
forty four exuberance before.
gonzalez carpenters union local
forty six a member- a member of
the original sacramento sorry
supporters before. But a reserve
announces local twenty two
carpenters I supporters before.
capitalize a local twenty to
thirty six in strong support of
s. B. For. Hello- matt was
embarrassed as here you
californians support. Good
afternoon precor chapter
director of community organizing
andy kerr a jewish faith
community in los angeles also a
member of la voice and we
support with amendments thanks.
the river zachary hoover
executive director of la voice
speaking on behalf of our sixty
member congregations also part
of peak of california we have a
dozen congregations interested
in doing this but face daunting
challenges and we support with
immense. Carmona director of
campaigns for people california
will support with the max. Ryan
chilcote corporate reached
support as before. Perfect thank
you. To have any other witnesses
in support. Thank you. For all
take that is it in support yes.
thank you very much sir will now
move on to live lead witnesses
in opposition here in twelve
hundred room to offer under we
have any. Witnesses in
opposition.
please proceed thank you thank
you so much good afternoon madam
vice chair members but really
you on behalf the state building
construction trades council
california representing a
million half a million members
statewide with an oppose unless
amended position on us before.
specifically we urge the
committee to include a skilled
and trained workforce
requirement for residential
construction under the bill
instead of the eighty mile of
the standard from last year. The
current language is legally
problematic has not even going
to affect yet allows developers
you license unenforceable
healthcare requirement that's
likely preempted under the
federal employee retirement
income security act of nineteen
seventy four. This fatal
preemption problem is
highlighted in the text of the
bill and it's severability
clause provisions the bill also
includes a superficial
apprenticeship requirement
that's really nothing more than
just a paperwork exercise. Any
streamlining bill worker
protections stand listing both
prevailing wage coverage and
skilled and trained workforce
requirements. Goldentree
provisions require percentage of
workers on the project the
graduates of a state approved
apprenticeship programs without
this requirement the bill
creates two tiers of labor
standards that result and
residential workers having fewer
protections than those other
sectors of construction. Barring
the use of skilled and trained
workers on the job site is how
the state can best capture the
productivity benefits a
prevailing wage. This ensures
that workplace safety and
ultimately the health and safety
of people living in these homes.
stay approved union
apprenticeship programs for the
state's critical pipeline to the
substantial drops. In the
building trades union members
here stick with the construction
long term increasing their
lifetime earnings and feeling
healthy economies. The fire
moved for me tech- economy the
world still needs to be
physically built. We strongly
support gay affordable housing
bills but is short sighted to
miss an opportunity to invest in
and promote a strong pipeline
for highly skilled and trained
workforce that would be
critical. To meeting the housing
production needed today and in
the future. Opponents of skilled
entry provisions are completing
the total number of housing
units needed to be built. To the
small number of housing projects
shovel ready today to fabricate
a worker shortage. I want to
reiterate there is no worker
shortage here in california.
instead of focusing on labor
standards for small segment.
three we believe labor standards
should be expanded to a much
broader segment of the ford will
housing industry. We urge you to
vote no or commit to withholding
your bill on the floor and
working with us to ensure these
important amendments are
included before the bill passes
off the floor. Thank you very
much. Jennifer second half the
california association of
realtors we have an oppose
unless amended position
currently we're very optimistic
that in the end will be able to
resolve our concerns with the
author. Primarily among a
variety of technical moments
that we are working on with the
senator we're concerned about
the term ancillary uses within a
single family neighborhood. The
broad. Use of ancillary could
result in something like a dry
cleaner or some kind of service
shop located that could provide
a beneficial use. To the
community that the project is
built in what we're looking to
do is simply clarified that the
commercial uses within that
residential single family
neighborhood would only include
child care facilities. And
community centers as defined by
hud thank you. Madam chair
members got which on behalf of
the more than two hundred
thousand members of the state
association of electrical
workers. The california state
pipe trades council. The western
sit western states council sheet
metal workers. The california
coalition of utility employees
and the elevator constructors
union. You can support housing
without stripping worker
protections that are in the law
today in collective bargaining
we call that a take back. This
bill is a take back it should be
voted down thank you. The other
couple killed three other
position. He to sit afternoon my
name is mark I work for this
building trades and an
oppositional amended. Thank you
. Okay let me just clarify that
ray now remove on to. Opposition
witnesses from top. Mitchell
bechtel with the discounts of
iron workers were oppose unless
amended thank you. Hello my name
is like a steel I'm with the
ibew local eleven of los angeles
representing almost twelve
thousand members and we oppose
as before. Hello my name is an
estimate on all representing the
los angeles and orange county's
building and construction trades
council represent all over a
hundred forty thousand hard
working men and women the
construction sector. Forty eight
affiliates and I urge a- no
support for senate bill for less
as troopers of standards and to
labor standards thank you.
raymond davis president of iron
workers local one eighteen here
in sacramento I- stand with the
building trades and oppose this
bill unless amended. Good
afternoon ladies and gentlemen
the council my name is ken
miller business asian organizer
for ironworkers local three
seventy eight and I stand in
solidarity with the state
building trades to oppose unless
amended thank you. Good
afternoon choi aren't so with
our workers local one eighteen
out of sacramento and I also
stand with the state building
trades an oppose unless amended
thank you. Good afternoon my
name is maggie and I'm the
business manager for a local
union two to eight plumbers and
pipefitters a merry still
california and I stand with the
california state pipe trades in
the building trades an oppose
unless amended. Perfect do we
have any other witnesses in
opposition test before here in
room. Twelve hundred. Seeing
none thank you well now because
there is one more okay. I
apologize for my tardiness I am-
john hershey with bombs and
pipefitters local four four
seven in sacramento county- and
I'm here oppose unless amended
thank you. Any other witnesses
in opposition to us before
hearing room twelve hundred.
correct we will now move on to
witnesses wanting to testify p.
of the teleconference service
will be limiting the phone
testimony to twenty minutes for
the bill for all bills during
this hearing. Moderator if you
would please from the
individuals waiting to testify
in support or opposition and we
will begin. Ladies and gentlemen
if you are in support or
opposition sb for please press
one then zero on your phone. To
oversee the line number in be
placed back in queue. The
speaker phone please pick up
your handset before pressing the
numbers and once again that's
supporter opposition sb four one
nine zero we will goal with it
my number one twenty two. Your
line is open one twenty two-
gerald johnson road sprinkler
fitters local six six nine. Can
we stay on the state building
trades in opposition with
amended. Thank you my number one
thirty two. One thirty two your
line is open. Yes can you hear
me. Go to say fifty five yes I
can hear you go head. Twenty
katie lou creating brand I'm
here representing. It will
action fine and how. It will
advise committee. Strong support
- before. Service provided for
of supervisors thank you. Thank
you not to local line one thirty
for please go ahead. Okay one
thirty five p. Push yourself our
he go ahead. Can you hear me but
I calling the regarding s. B.
twenty three hello do I speak to
for twenty three I know it a
speech. The bill ma'am right now
we're taking and into or in
opposition for s. Before. Okay I
go back to sleep twenty three
okay thank you thank you may.
and it next will go to live and
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number one so two please ahead.
hello this is kevin info the for
committee legislation to help
and for of a the for thank you.
next we will two I never eighty.
one to wonder what the tropical
of bishops and I apologize our
support better got misdirected
within the portal but you don't
have us listed on the analysis
we are in very strong support of
this before thank you. Thank you
I number. One eighty seven. The
new jersey members this is the
extent of all the task
california's largest the most
impactful nonprofit homeless
service providers in for support
press before thank you. Thank
you my number. One seventy four
one seventy four. Instrument
drove the port ask people thank
you. Thank you bye number. One
sixty seven. Good afternoon
senators- this is clearly spoke
with the california building
industry association we are
support if amended for s. Before
we requested the labor
provisions be removed from the
bill other than that this is a
wonderful bill when I think
center where for his leadership.
in addressing california's
housing crisis. Thank you bye
number so three go ahead. The
binder. The city of campbell
south bay and protect the you'd
be proud support before thank
you. Thank you my number. One
nine four. This is to be more
shiny one calling from angeles
on behalf of westside for
everyone strong support of sb.
thank you. Thank you bye number
. Thirty two. Hi open schaller
from los angeles single family
homeowners on I work with that
church right now on fox. Taken a
to the clinton fifteen but house
on such. Thank you senator thank
you for and before. Thank you my
number. Two zero one two zero
one. The reverend james chan of
the fiscal dies of los angeles
our vision has come twenty five.
of all church. In the dot each.
to afford housing only we could
get sb four pass. Thank you
structure. Thank you number
eighty nine number. How good
afternoon this st boston bill
manager of plumbers pipefitters
local eight four from turkey.
mister to build state trades and
- cooper. To this bill. Thank
you number one seven six point
seventy six. Afternoon care
number proposed on behalf of the
about the hills in the office
thank you. Thank you my number
one if. One fifteen. Good
afternoon description is not
behalf of a local five six nine
occurred six hundred union a lot
. San diego imperial county
calling in opposition unless
amended for both senate for an
four to three you don't house by
break the backs workers thank.
thank you a line of one the you
love one. Hello this is a
committee president business age
of iron look three said eight
neistat with this building. And
unless I. Thank you line of with
. Forty seven forty seven. Wild
well the- local ninety colleges
considers them standing the
state billingtree follow up of
this whole this bill. Thank you
alaina. One twenty five. Yes
good afternoon this is james
from the business agent our
local three seventy and I stand
opposed to s. B. For a man.
twenty one twenty six. Thank you
hearing. Schoology. Good
afternoon kalra a press business
thank you nine one because of
forty three l. And we stand with
stiff building trades in
opposite of that before last
summer thank you. Thank you
number. Fifty three fifty three.
hi my name is brian and I'm a
age for you a local three nine
three over thirty hundred
pipefitters fitters and h. B.
service tech in san clara in it
okay- today I'm into oppose it
before unless amended and I that
you all do the same thing you
for your time. Thank you my
number eight nine. Point nine.
hi my name is publicly- I live
in oak and I phone california
being used bay for everyone and
I'm calling strong. This before
thank. Thank you my number so
seven once a seven. Robert new
fields doesn't the power I don't
judy or county. In strong
support of the. Four thank you
we will go to my number zero
three zero. Madam chair todd to
refer the sub california con is
so. In support of s. B. Thank
you. Thank you line fifty.
vicegerent this is rob stoker on
behalf of sheet metal workers
local one of four and the
building construction trades
council of alameda county we
stand with the state building
trades in opposition of us
before unless mended thank you.
thank you thanks to recorded
line number one forty seven.
it's a matter speaking about
pakistan give allowing support
s. Before. Yeah thank you I get
my number six six please call
ahead. Good afternoon ab right
manager do a to six and press
couple representing members from
fresno madera kings and
flourished. We stand with the
building trades in opposition
unless amended. Thank you. Thank
you mexico line one eighty
please going. My name is tim
clark which a community church
in portola valley. In strong
support of this before. Thank
you next we'll go to line number
seventy four please go ahead.
this is jordan wind from united
way of greater los angeles-
calling in in strong support of
sb four thanks very much. Thank
you my number eighty three
please go ahead. Hello this is
david barboza on behalf of
abundant housing la in strong
support of its before thank you
. Thank you next to a bottom
line number sixty one sixty one
please go ahead. Good afternoon
this is john henry lopez with
the ua plumbers and pipefitters
local two four six representing
fresno madera until tulare kings
counties and I'm standing in
strong opposition. Of this bill
unless amended thank you. Thank
you my number one goal one one a
one. Hello the next more locally
elevator union I'm staying
involuntary with the state
building trained in opposition.
you cannot build housing that
could be on state skilled and
trained workforce is mandatory
for the state yet the residents
. Thank you. Thank you my number
one of forty two one forty two.
hello my name is different how
they were they gamble I'm with
the procedure at the pacific
presbyterians. In los angeles
area. Representing fifty four
churches fong event be. We need
to find an extract right back
between barker protection and
for les. Affordable housing.
thank you we will go to number
two oh six tools. Yes this
martin rodriguez I work with
local for thirty three. Dallas
state building trades opposes
bill let amended. Thank you.
thank you weinberg two seventy
two please go ahead. Hi my
number seventy two your line is
open. John johnson at the
berkeley now crap we stand in
line with the state building
trades in opposition is- at
before thank you. Thank you bye
number. Two hundred. Good
afternoon this is one hundred
guests with ibew local forty we
stand with the state building
trades and oppose as before and
as amended. Thank you my number
fifty four fifty four. But gets
with sprinkler fitter to a local
seven oh nine we stand with
state building trades in
opposition unless amended thank
you. My number. Sixty eight. Hi
my name is frank martinez policy
director for the southern
california association of
nonprofit housing groups camps
we are co sponsoring this bill.
represents nonprofit builders
affordable housing in southern
california region of nineteen
million people are members
strongly support this bill and
they agree on affordable housing
projects in the pipelines that
would move forward faster as
soon as this bill is passed
thank you. Thank you my number.
fifty seven fifty seven. The
firm sacramento here building
and construction trades council.
and we stand with the cal state
building trades in opposition
unless amended thank you. Thank
you my number one fifty one.
carol can the san diego building
trades council and in opposition
again a lesson and it thank you
. Thank you bye number. One
thirty seven. Yeah this is larry
mazzola you a local thirty eight
plumbers and pipefitters
business manager at san
francisco strongly oppose this
bill unless amended. I wanna
make it clear that there is only
one union in support of this
bill and they are not part of
the building trades thank you.
thank you of line number seventy
please go ahead. My number
seventy six please go ahead. Hi
disappearing of represent and-
refer someone approvals local
forty of san francisco county
and san matteo and we stand in
the with the state military to
strong opposition of this bill
unless amended. Thank you my
number. Eighty five eighty five.
my number eighty five your line
is open. We will move on to the
next line which would be fifty
eight to please go ahead. Good
afternoon my name's regina
califia would the ibew local
five nine five representing
nearly twenty five hundred
electrical workers in alameda
san joaquin calaveras county-
feeding in solidarity with the
state building trades in
opposition to senate bill four
thank you. Thank you my number.
one thirty eight. My number one
thirty eight your open. Yeah
good afternoon can you hear me
now. Go ahead. Hi my name is
patrick davidson local printer
nine nine pairs knowledge
trades- represents san diego and
imperial county used I stand
opposition was the billion tree
jim was amended thank you. Thank
you. Go to my number one eighty
two. Hello this is rob nielsen
from palo alto and peninsula for
everyone and I am calling in for
strong supporter of this before
thank you. Thank you will go to
line number eighty nine eighty
nine please go ahead and. Number
eighty nine your line is open.
next we'll move on to line
number one thirty thirty please
go ahead. My number one thirty
your line is open. Okay we will
go to my number one thirty three
my number one thirty three.
afternoon rudy gonzalez cancers
ability you can reach council
representing over seventeen
hundred apprentices in our area
eight thousand skilled and
trained union workers. And we
oppose unless amended standard
state bill trips. Thank you will
go to my are five please go
ahead. Yes reverend bert newton
in pasadena with making housing
and community happen and we are
in strong support of this before
to address disappear. For awhile
housing crisis. Excludable to
line number one forty one. My
first behind his budget. My
number one forty one your line
is open. Thank you I don't think
countered all of them french.
great when it will go to line
number forty is my number forty
. Yeah hi todd berry road
sprinkler fitters local six six
nine and I stand in opposition.
amended with the state building
trades thank you. Thank you to a
photo I. Number. Thirty four.
your local six nine. I stand
this building trades are not in
amend. Thank you klein number
seven but it was a local sixty
nine I stand in with the state
building choi the lesson. Thank
you line. Two hard is robert.
lead with volunteer san
francisco emb and so thank. I
thank you my number one of one
oh five. His office bizarre with
you a three nine three we
represent thirty one hundred
plumbers painters. And hvac
service. Santa clarendon no
county. We stand with the state
building trades and stand
opposition of sb four unless
amended. Thank you my number.
one eighty six. Afternoon among
those particular here I'm also
business representative with you
a local three nine three plumber
thinkers and perpetration
patterson santa clara and san
benito counties and we stand
with the state building trades
in opposition to this bill let's
amended. Thank you. Thank you
next to- go to line number
ninety nine please go ahead. My
number ninety nine your line is
open. Doug benji any-
international brotherhood of
electrical workers four four one
orange county we stand with the
building trades in opposition to
sb four unless amended. Thank
you bye number. Two eleven to
eleven. Hi this is david watkins
who is known to you beacon
support of sb. Thank you my
number two twenty one to twenty
one. Eight m. Subsidy q. We will
go with to nineteen please go
ahead. Two twenty three please
go ahead. Dr michael on behalf
of senators in the interim
support of us before thank you.
thank you we will now go to
nineteen please go ahead.
afternoon my name is erica
ballantyne with you a local
three nine three of the former
quite fingers and hvacr
technicians at fancards family
don't county we represent thirty
one hundred members today we
stand with the building trades
in opposition of sb four unless
amended thank you. Thank you
line number two twenty seven to
twenty seven. Hi my name is sean
mcfeely I'm a proud you be
volunteer in strong support
thank you. Thank you my number.
one fifty two. Remembered you a
local two forty six fresno
plumbers and pipefitters. And we
- ten and strong up of that
before and that the minute.
thank you my number. Forty nine
forty two. Yeah that's right
weber ironworkers force. Please
stand with federal opposite.
that's the for which the
launchers. Thank you regard the
line numbers nine. And will be
our last. This. Global six nine.
strong opposition. For our
partners. Wall they don't hang
by. Okay thank you very much of
a book. Madam are able to live
reached our twenty one I okay.
for without. Matter moderate
we've out m. We have taken to
minutes on my to. Sir we're
going to have. We're gonna stop
are test to- but they want to
thank our- all of our c. Numbers
which- will now bring discussion
back to remember. To any of our
members have any or the would
like to make. Senator seyarto.
thank you center winner and- hi
my appreciate your to in trying
to address what is almost an
impossible problem for
california in- in our housing
industries- when you take aways
owning. Just save. You you
changes owning the city doesn't
have any say in it. What happens
to the rest of their zoning what
happens to their general plan.
as as I understand it when I
worked in local government a
lot. Once you change zone for
the zoning for one and made it
more dancer last dancer added v.
and all these other things it
affects the ability of other
property that is probably zone
for the same thing. That's
actually zone for it- to get
through the process itself- so
how do you address that if the
city is not going to be involved
. So that their general plan.
all of their elements that are
part of the general plan don't
get thrown out of whack. And out
of whack means in disfavor. With
that housing commission here in
california- I thank you for the
question a couple a couple
things this is not our
government cause a quorum court
throws out of local zoning the
there is land that may not be
zoned for residential- that's
owned by religious institution
that will now be zoned. For it-
the bill which is a good and
this was extensively negotiated
in governance and finance
committee with senator mcguire
who is the chair at the time.
three years ago- it it there are
a local height limit- often
applies or might be local have
an a plus one if it's in our for
commercial. Local zoning- it
hasn't made make some changes to
particularly for areas that you
know. The church land might not
be zoned for residential. But in
terms of the general or the
housing element I don't think it
has any effect. On on the rest
of it it's a city has owned for
different things in different
parts of the city- battle
remains. This will help cities
meet the arena. Because we know
the city sometimes own parcels
consumers are big fights about
this about whether a parcel is
actually realistic right and we
have a history with which to
which we tried to move away from
cities zoning a cemetery for
high density housing or a- brand
new target that was as bill two
years ago for high density
housing. Sites that we know
we're never going to get bills-
we tried to move away from that
but there's always disputes and
we know that there are. Even now
man that's identified that. They
hope will become available to me
that may not so this will be
helpful to cities in meeting
their the hardest part of arena.
the their most cities don't even
meet the market rate arena. But
almost no city meets are below
market rate units the hardest
part to me. This will help
cities meet. That obligation.
right yeah and I've heard this a
lot- in just a three years I've
been people I've been dealing
with this. In this legislature
for more than three years it's
been five six seven years I see
old bills that come through. And
not one of them has been
successful in dealing with- to
talking about otherwise we all.
wouldn't be here- I think. You
know my issue with bills. Blake
this. Is that. Here we go. We
kind of taking bites out local
ca. I that's the- it's not the
problem the problem is. Over the
last. To forty years the state
has imposed so many regulations
and such a process to get
through. That we have. Created a
situation where our supply. Is
severely behind the demand. And
no matter how hard we try and
what other fixes we do. We see
we just can't seem to fix that-
I know court current for
affordable housing projects.
that were started when I just
first got back on the city
council eight years ago. And
they're just now getting the
financing from each cd. To be
able to start the project so
that it didn't fix the process.
whatever that law was that they
were using to get this process
going it didn't fix it. What
needs fixed. Is the state's
entire process for building
everything. Because not only is
the housing falling behind but
once you build housing once
you've cleared the path to build
all the housing. We still have
roads flood control we have to
try to attract jobs we need
water infrastructure commercial
buildings to support that
housing. Affordable and safe
transit lines we need schools
and all of that is being
affected by the state's process.
and none of what we have tried
to do in the last five years or
ten years even. Has fix that.
and so we keep throwing sequel
exemptions into this project and
that project. But at the same
and then nothing's working. And
so at some point we're gonna
have to face the fact. That we
got to put everybody to work
doing all of those things but
all of those things are being
obstructed. By our process if we
don't address that is a state
we're never going to solve this
problem. I'm sure for I first of
all I. I don't disagree that the
state's men's puts roadblocks in
the way right and some of the
work I've done. Has addressed on
some of the issues that you've
that you've reyes I don't
disagree with what I do disagree
with is suggest that only the
state because we know that when
cities say. You're not allowed
to build any housing in this
area where you can build multi
unit over nocturnal we're gonna
reject all affordable housing
there are extractions that
happen. At the local level two
unfortunately. We have passed
streamlining bills no losses
since I've been here which is a
little over six years of. That
have been very successful in-
you know for example the next to
we're gonna you're gonna hear
that there are a for affordable
housing. The approval time goes
from several years to several
months- so- I partially agree
with you but I partially
disagree. Right and I understand
that. But mine be mindful that.
local agencies especially newer
cities. Were all made to go
through an x. Currently
expensive process doing a
general plan is a- is a long
process it takes probably three
to four or five years sometimes.
cost millions of dollars for the
community and it's all based on
what they're being told by the
state there general plan has to
include. And. So they include
all those things. Then there
give the bad of gray. That need
to be in for people to be to
come in and build. And then we
tell cities. Hey you guys are
doing your job. Searches do and
what we are they were told to
do. And now we're we're coming
out- with this exemption in that
exemption. To tell them that hey
you know what you guys are doing
your job you're not letting
these things through. They
can't. They can't by law because
that's when the third element of
this comes and that's the
lawsuit that comes at the end of
the parade. It just stop
everything. And we if we don't
fix that we're not going to fix
this problem and that's I I'm
I'm kind of tired of. Throwing
throwing solutions at the
problem there aren't working.
because we're not looking at the
underlying problem site. I
always use fire service got.
it's like alejo's above the fire
and letting it go over it looks
really cool. But it's not put
the fire out. We need to aim the
hose at the right place and
that's the base of the fire and
we simply aren't doing that. And
I understand we keep doing it a
little here and a little their-
but we're not doing it otherwise
everybody would be working.
because we have so much stuff
that needs to be done this is
aiming right at the fire. Press
well I was a firefighter I'd say
this is being at the top of the
flames like preach it you're a-
assessment. Thank you. There is
a- thank you centers they are to
do we any other. Comments
questions about center to cover
year please. I don't any any-
questions I just want to be able
to frame what I think is an
unfortunate. Duration and I know
senator wiener has. Has you know
grappled with this as well-
there is no question that we
have a housing crisis in.
california I think we all agree
and what we disagree at that you
know what's that absolute
perfect solution there isn't any
we've got to try to chip away
little by little. That the
things that will actually make a
difference and I really
appreciate this year- let me
just say that I've supported
this bill in the past and I
really appreciated this year
the- the religious institutions
being here because- this is
going. To provide an
opportunity. For outreach into
the community to build housing
that's desperately needed and in
communities that may have been
the most recalcitrant about
building affordable housing my
experience serving in local
government- is that- I'm- being
the mayor of a blue collar
community. We built housing
affordable housing in our
communities but thirty miles
away from us twenty miles away
from us the wealthier
communities. Abrogated the
responsibility and did not build
affordable housing at all. And
so it really put a lot of
pressure on those fund that
represented- I'm from a rural
agricultural community. You know
put a lot of pressure on us so
the more that we can change the
entire community and to do it
through- this bill I think it's-
a really important thing. Let me
just say that- I'm really sad.
and- the- at the disagree b. The
different- unions- I'm I'm I'm
there with you. By I want. To
have union protections want to
make sure we have good paying
jobs and that we're doing
everything we can to lift up the
work- and the workers both
because- quite frankly a lot of
these- housing units are are
going to be starter homes for
union members to be able to get
into and build. Build wealth and
leave something to their
families and so this is really
really important. But but the-
but the battle over the language
has me you know very concerned-
I don't. I don't want to be the
this is a housing bill. And it's
got some. Huge impacts on the
labor community but but I want
to hope that there's a sweet
spot where we can get to yes and
so there I think are many of us
here at the dyess- that want to
see. The disagreements between
the trades and the carpenters
resolve so that we can have a
happy peace and I'll be here
together and- hold hands and-
and move forward I don't want to
be killing housing bills
because- we can agree on things
like I just don't this is such a
critical issue that- we can't
wait any longer. And so- I'm
going to ask them senator wiener
if he's willing to continue to
sit at the table and to try to
work this thing out this comes
aye. Aye sure the next committee
that disclosed to and- and like
I said I don't want to be
killing housing bills we
desperately need to work and we
need the units. So. Center
wiener. Thank you very much
center caballero. This one is
that. First of all on the point
you made which is a- is that
this bill. Will significan
percent of this land is and what
call high. Community so we're
not just only put. We're
spreading and it's going be a
lower can higher income. Because
we need a housing- everywhere.
in terms of the labor split I do
want to cry there was one caller
from my- uncertain or union
leader in the mice. Our
community who only one- union
was support this bill numbers
are that. Card the operating and
laborers I see you and the
school and- associates just
correct the record on the. None
of none of us like. Labor later
fights happens. Sometimes in the
- it's happening here hi mike I
can aye all to. Trade sponsored
bill. Last year I also to bill
last year public work bills with
skilled workforce. Hi and- it's
not for me either to be a us but
I do want to see. Because this
issue pop up three years ago and
especially with respect to a
hundred affordable was the years
ago. With the products of the sb
nine nine. For three. Five to
trades until until in the face
that I want to resolve this. But
I want people to the table- so
we can resolve. And it takes to
tango- and the trade. Respectful
have not changed. One inch.
since .com I withdraw hunter
three ago and- of twenty- we did
have slight in a six. With the
agreement- to the better which
is called work. I offered
beginning I suggest to committee
it ab twenty as six. Kind of
wrestle like with year and I
told no that's no low support
that. Chris I'm just observing-
we're I am my doors always open
I met with mr meredith to weeks
ago. I'm happy to continue
meeting under the carpenters
what we're willing to bring
everyone to the table to try to
resolve this. In a way that will
actually get housing bills- but
it does take two to tango. Thank
you senator wiener. Us will help
thank and if you center kabir- I
wanted to ask senator wiener. Is
about this bill just so the
public is informed- can you
explain the portability- to this
particular bill. For this bill
only a 100% below market rate-
this only applies 2100% below
below market rate highs so and-
it can have- a small percentage
of eighty to a hundred and
twenty percent. Am I which is
considered moderate income below
market rate housing with the
bulk of the day under eighty
percent- low very very low
extremely low the average. Am I
always must be 80% or lower. We
also know that because of the
nature of- the state for the
housing funding streams as an
incentive to make sure that you
have. Some of the very low and
extremely low- income housing
and these projects as a big
financial incentive to do that-
so we are actually making sure
that were housing. Other people
who were in the most desperate
need. For a but this bill only
applies to a 100% deed
restricted below market rate
housing okay my second question
was the restricted- and then as
as far as- it. The conversation
regarding. The labor disputes- I
think it's very challenging when
you know the majority of us do
you want to support working
people getting paid fairly and
much more I know that that is a
deep deep concern of the larger
body- this is the housing
committee and I do just want to
frankly state. That if there's a
disagreement we have to
prioritize affordability. Rate
and so I do just want to state
that- I do second- center to
cover your was concerns and if
there is a conversation and I do
believe from both- sites or any
to be good faith effort to come
together. Otherwise we will be
prioritizing affordability right
and- that is one of the biggest
concerns that. I have is that we
are not developing and off low
and extremely low. How across
the board. So- I will supporting
but I was still stressing very
that- you know affordability is
very. Important to me but also
making sure that all all members
of. Labor are on the same page-
moving forward hopefully so.
thank you and that's all my
questions. Thank you several. We
also have center cortese
supposed several senator breaks
here. Three parties in the
senator please bear. With the
manager- I'm just going to make
a couple calls are. Of the
author wants to. No although-
full disclaimer intent to now a
couple questions so
particularly- of witnesses and
those are here to answer
questions. About work for
standards- when we get to the
next bill so I don't wanna be
redundant. Of basically do this
twice- but my concern- first of
all let me put me. Back up to
submit it and say the senator
wiener as- the as the author you
know thank you. For all of your
work landmark legislation in the
area of streamlining- and
working through what just a few
years ago was. Really
untouchable topic which is-
getting that seek work in in the
use of seek work- in some places
in some ways as as an obstacle
to the housing production you
nice served- at the regional
level in in our own bay area
community- working through the
renewal process I saw you first
hand how frustrated you were.
and I know that you're- also a
personal environmentally
conscious that you're a
concerned about the colocation
or lack there of- of affordable
housing and jobs which is. A
tremendous concern in you know
in our own area city so one
eight knowledge all that as well
as- the obviously the- the
excellent work to your committee
stuff. Does in- assisting you in
in producing this work product.
I've relied upon the myself at
times over the last couple of
years so thank you for all that-
similar to- as- bureaus. Of
course- know you will expect
this is a maybe we've talked
about it- I'm a co author on
this bill I call through the
bill in the whole. You know that
we would be able to through the
course of the session here get
to the right place in terms of.
of work for standards- I do. I
believe that it takes. You know
two to tango so to speak- but it
would say the same time and it
said the says as a labor chaired
different committee different
jurisdiction- that that's just
not. That doesn't fall solely on
from the building trades council
it falls on. Both parties coming
forward sitting down. In the in
hashing through. What doesn't
work or what won't work here or
what hasn't worked in the past-
in a note your concern is. A
concern about what hasn't worked
in the past got to try something
different I think that's- very
much a carpenter's concern as
well- that said. For me
fortunately during the course
of. Of the run of this bill- the
issues about. The lack of this
language in in my humble opinion
again that's for sure of labor
committing somebody gets
immersed in this stuff day in
and day out- the current
language doesn't drive
apprenticeship- been and isn't
going to lead to a trained
workforce. It obviously won't
lead to application of a trained
workforce but won't even lead to
the creation or the building of
a trained workforce in the
state. Which the last time I
checked was lowest per capita of
all fifty states- in
apprenticeship programs in
general not just in
construction. So that has to be
resolved so that were in
integrity with the values that.
it leaves my caucus holds your
caucus or caucus holds a going
forward- because that's not what
we stand for not what we stand
for in terms of workforce
development- it taking a step
back is. Is does not okay- so
really. All sides needed come
forward in a dress all sites are
not putting that on the author
se but I do think it's an
unfortunate. Circumstance of the
way. We operate as a legislature
those rules have been here long
before any of us. That we would
have a bill whose primary
contention is labor standards.
coming because because it's
also. A very significant housing
bills but whose primary
contention is not the housing
piece in the production piece
but the labor peace starting
off. In the in the non labor
committee and then with all due
respect to center cut the owes
report work in government
finances going their- where. The
committee staff in in a people
who focus jurisdiction only on
issues or are not. Spent not
spent fifteen or twenty years
twenty five years the working
through these issues in a in a
professional manner so. That
also is not on the author or
this committee of I think it's
an unfortunate circumstance that
we have to proceed based on our
own rules and rules the way
rules has has a sign bills. In a
way that the deep seas issues
hanging up before they're in.
really the proper forum- in the
proper technical- for a in the
proper. To get a he know in a
way that I think would be
singular in consistent with all
of our values- consistent with
all of our values is not to have
multiple. Multiple standards. On
residential construction work
for so frankly work construction
work force in general. At times
last year. Through no fault of
anyone here. We had up to five
different versions of. But
workforce standards in different
bills being proposed- in moving
through the legislature. Again
without any real attempt to
consolidate those into a
statement of what our values
really are in that regard a
singular universal standard that
would apply to this kind of
work- so as center caballero
said anything center will have a
- all. Alluded to at least a one
per words into her mouth. But my
vote. Would not be my vote on
the floor. If we somehow arrived
all the way to the floor-
without still having addressed
all these issues senate
certainly willing to do my part-
it's not somebody else's work
it's all of our work but it has
to be resolved as far as I'm
concerned. Before we get to the
final day of reckoning because
otherwise I think it puts us in
the spot. Where people like me
of saying it's okay it's okay to
have to not know what. What are
standard really is. In you know
to move forward bills that
frankly are at odds with each
other- maybe your bill my bill
for example last year was two
other bills that were at odds
with each other. We approve them
both as if. As if. Multiple
standards- okay in something
that's- so vital. To creating
equity in a california for all.
so since I said more than I
thought it would on this bill I
will save us next bill but I do-
you know we- have a couple
questions we get. To for twenty
three to ask them- and some of
the way. Thank you for your work
. B. And I've today course as is
- but we forward to resolution.
thank you you want to stress
when. First first committee is
literally the first time this
for ever been and committee.
great resolve things but first.
with a twenty who law year it I
don't think that covers all
until. August by if my memory.
serves caballero deeply.
involved in and I it took a
right if we can get it resolved
the flood script I'm I to wanna
. Since that when this first
came up three years ago through
days. I was in the hundred
office. This like let's to reach
this and in not. Hasn't move
since on and I. Mister ability I
can tell some you have change
your to try anti takes whatever
to. They want where the market-
but you know it it it makes hard
to go. I'm me I want to this my
this. Senator place for. Thank
you. Thank you for the public
comments from my call and also
to the for come and speak today
and express your opinion. And I
also just to thank the- the
author senate wiener for this
bill I think. Five very much
support this bill I a when I
first saw it and heard the
concept it seemed to make so
much sense to me when I. Think
about my community which I came
from being the mayor of there
are so many faith communities-
that. Would be interested in
this and they're providing a
100% affordable for their
communities so it's a way to
build community- from within a
very local can control type of
structure. And so I think when
I. Think about why this is so
needed it really comes back to
the reality that the low housing
supply in the state which is
estimated to be two point five
million units a million of them
should be need to be affordable
and the next. Eight to ten
years- that that problem the low
the lack of supply is really a
major driver of our other
problems in the state like
homelessness. And a lack of
upward mobility people's ability
to access opportunity also- the
mega commutes that then-
contribute to climate change. A
whole bunch of problems that
really. In my mind swirl around
this problem of a critically los
housing supply. So when you-
when this bill and you also-
referred to it it could unlock
thirty eight thousand acres of
land. And I think that that
seems like. A really tremendous
potential to do a lot in our
state and I'm- I go back to the-
accountability and oversight
hearings that we had just. Last
week about it in this committee-
and the reality is that housing
creation remains stagnant. So
even though in the state we've
had some really great bills that
have created streamlining. And
some bright spots like the
number eighty is have- gone up
by a factor of ten but overall
across the state the great ab
show that were still. So we're
real we're not making the
progress we need to if we really
want to- deal with homelessness
in a substantive way and- and-
the middle class- housing
affordability crisis that we
see. So I agrees my colleagues
that I hope these disagreements
get resolved with labor the
labor factions and it's very
painful- to be to be talking to
your friends and- to see these
disagreements and- to hope that
there's a way to find that
middle ground it is. Clearly
true that you everybody needs to
come to the table in good faith
in order to find those places.
but really focusing on the need
for us to create the housing as
a top priority and to find- fair
standards that also create good
jobs and allow people to access.
a middle class lifestyle you
know all of those things are
really what we're going for I
think we should all share those
values. And so the question is
how do we get there and hi- have
every faith in all of the
negotiating partners that will
be able to but I also just want
to say thank you and I'm excited
to support this bill today.
thank you- senators- breaks here
I do have a couple of comments-
actually more questions. I
understand that we and
california is one of the leading
statements. California is one of
the leading space when it comes
to- many areas sleeper- berman
to laws and you name it we have
it- I had the privilege to sit
on labor- committee. These past
two years with center cortese.
and I think popped into my head
with regards to- some of the
comments and concerns that we
saw with bills are going to
committee and- and I'm not sure
if. Center to you would like to
comment or not but- it was with
regards to enforcement. And I
know that this bill is trying to
address some of these
conservative from some of the
safety concerns- but with
regards to enforcement- how.
what elements are components you
have here. Yeah they've cards
within that scope. Yes
absolutely it we there is a in
the can and with wait staff.
clinical plenty of ca. That do
follow the law and to the right
thing for the workers they're
all. We have we stuffed issues
in this. And so this bill
requires a payment of prevailing
wage the same prevailing wage
that you would get in a skilled
workforce situation. Plus non
health in and the other
requirements- and then if there
is a violation the labor
commissioner tim force or the
person whose. Wages of
installing can enforce it- and
but I also want to stress that
for that enforcement sb there
are this bill is voluntary.
right now no one no builder a
church anyone is going is
required to utilize this bill if
they choose to opt in and
utilize a spell. And they all
these provisions including
enforcement- applied they. Could
decide to do it. The l. Way and
close to reserve infancy cal.
and have a sequel los in and
every else and by if they choose
to do it- it'll committee or the
underpaid- your- okay so the are
. In there is will protect or
they have recall. If something
were to happen correct on that
and it also allows to have
options and choices for those
builders for the- local. Okay so
having said that. I believe we
have. This will help you with
like to yes sign I'd come of
this. Bahrainis and secretary
what to. Call the roll. Senate
bill for about win the motion is
to pass and river to come and
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said wiener with july to with
your sex bill as four three.
thank you very much financial
and call and thank for your- is
a robust. Today I know presents
in a bill for three which the
sunset on well I want to tell.
most successful health laws.
which is senate bill thirty. And
. Which is a with the for. Bill
that I and to ponder sworn day I
was in the- in twenty six- in
this build not and way to local
zoning at all. But it provides
us approval. In cities are
falling short of their reason
housing of such goal and it
doesn't by income. So you can a
city becomes strained. Only in
the categories where it's
falling short of its goals the
purpose of sb thirty five and
that's also as before twenty
three it's to help cities are
falling short catch up and meet
their- our- we've had extensive
discussions today about the
profound of shortage- sb thirty
five- went into effect in twenty
eighteen it was a slow. Start as
is often the case of new housing
bills- and then started
accelerating almost nearly
twenty thousand new homes. Have
either been streamlined or I'm
process to streamline under sb
thirty five today hi my city of
san francisco three thousand.
new homes hi it's been a very
successful and has dramatically
reduced the approval time it is
primarily. Benefitted below
market rate housing about 75% of
the of the units- we have- made
some changes to the bill to make
sure that the- mixing com
element is more- successful- and
so I'm sure and we just talked
about some of the labor
standards and perhaps a little
stunned. Again so colleagues- sb
thirty five is a it really is I
think one of our bedrock housing
laws that expires in a couple
years we want to remove the
sunset. Now because people were.
cities and builders planned
years in advance- and we don't
want to wait until the last
minute. To decide if this bill
is going to expire that would be
harmful to the bility of cities
and builders- to plan five as
with the last bill- we've
already had some conversations.
with the building trades about
with his bob dot two meetings so
far. Continue to hope that we be
able to get to a road. And I
respect ask. For your I. Boats.
with you today- tested and- his
brown solving off of new cal
carp union. And- you my open
president of novan about.
development thank you. Thank you
senator wiener now move on to
would and- or I get afternoon
chair in committee member.
honored to be here today-
strongly should- senate bill
twenty. You know we arts talk
about a lot we are a serious.
that housing production- instead
. I know secret about that at
every income level what's going
on at the end house what's going
a lack workforce housing
affordable housing but a housing
and all income levels. There's
another crisis going on in
residential. We look at the
residential industry primarily
what frame multi family type
three if you like construction
the type house we mostly need
produced. There's over three
hundred thousand nonunion
workers in. That work force
currently. And they are
exploited talking a little bit.
and that work force- is not been
organized we intend to go out
and with the tools- in this bill
has the strongest labor
enforcement language. Of any
bill we can find or any law
throughout the county country so
subtly pervading wages health
care requirements opportunity
for friendship but also the
strongest labor force language
empowering labor management
committees to bring justice to
those jobs. The reality is-
right now only one in seven
traits workers in the state of
california qualify under skilled
and trained in the residential
industry. Maybe one in ten and
of your large residential
projects so this is not from
more the carpenters are coming
from some by having a fight.
with anyone in the labor
movement it's about those
workers out there and it's about
production- sb thirty five
itself very successful bill
shows a clearly. The primary
success sb thirty five required
prevailing wages to be paid for
affordable housing production
below market rate production-
currently there are. Maybe one
or two projects will require
skilled and trained but nothing
is moved yet no housing is
happen. So again when it comes
down to it what we're looking at
is we will not support any labor
. Stance refill our scrushy
neri. We have every into with
the it's our prime purpose as a
labor organization construction
to reach out and help those
workers pull up into the union
flag family. We see that
strongly as pro labor pro union
standards that are also pro
housing production again in an
industry. Than unfortunately
overall has been ignored. The
carpenters union is actually the
largest footprint many labor
union in the residential
industry- we have a third of the
registered apprentices out
there. And overall all crafts we
have the most amount skilled and
trained certified workers it's
easy to track the numbers- you
know through elam to send
everything else but also can the
d. A. S. Graduation rates so
again we are absolutely all in.
for apprenticeship an
opportunity. But those workers
that are out there now and we do
need to increase the work force
upwards eighty thousand workers
per year so we not only need the
current nine you workforce
residential. We need to grow
that and grow opportunity. But
we cannot leave that work force
out and we need to produce
housing fast. So with the
platforms to go out bring
workers rights on those jobs.
and grow its the organizing
opportunity of a lifetime for
any labor organization. Again
whether be vying to ensure not
skilled and trained will exclude
those dire work for workers and
will actually screwed about a
hundred thousand. Union members
currently in the state of
california we can't afford that.
so we appreciate your support on
this. Remember those workers
remember we need for you to
housing to bring solutions to
our state we strongly support
this bill thank you. Thank you
sir. Do you have any other. With
assistance. Yes coming forward.
good afternoon senate housing
committee and senator wiener
thank you for the opportunity
speech today my name is the mon
novin I am the president and
founder of novan development. We
are a mission driven affordable
and workforce housing developer
I'm in the state of california
we've got approximately fourteen
projects in over six hundred
units in the pipeline- serving a
broad range of incomes. I
created a novin developments- to
focus on missing middle housing
workforce housing is we're very
much interested in figuring out
how to make mixed income work as
you know mostly bills and-
funding is focused on very low
and low income housing however
the majority of our population
is in the missing middle and so-
were very keenly aware of the
of. Sb thirty five reviews it on
two projects- and neither of
them would have been approved
without sb thirty five in fact
we had a- council members- in a
political environment- working
to- use a small you know section
of the bill that allows for a
council oversight hearing. To
basically over derail our
project and stop it from getting
approved- and so it wasn't it
was with the help of the
carpenters union. Him be law.
act's housing accountability
unit and sb thirty five that we
eventually. Got housing approved
on a site that was entitled for
housing- so it's a very useful
building wouldn't who are
projects would have happened
without it- it was through this
implementation that it revealed
some of the challenges and I
think some of the improvements
in sb thirty five- particularly
around the use for mixed. Income
housing the labor standards as
written or more stringent for.
mixed income projects were let's
say only half of the project is
receiving state subsidy. The
other half is privately finance
and- labor standards are way
more difficult to meet so it it
naturally moves people or
developers into. Bill building a
100% affordable housing projects
because- you're able to leverage
. The funding for the entire.
and the cost is lower and so-
the whole heartedly agreed
senator cortese there should be
a single standard across- this
bill for whether it's mixed
income or- if it's a 100%
affordable housing project I
think that'll- help to
streamlining create. Missing
middle housing because it's not
an either or it's an anti and we
need. A deeply affordable
housing but we also need missing
middle housing- other challenges
that the council oversight
hearing I think this makes some
great changes to that- so it's
not misused- and then the fact
that it streamlines the print
versions permanently so that we
have access to the streamlined
process beyond twenty twenty
five is a critical changes that
we support- ultimately sb. Four
twenty three also replaces
restrictive hiring rules with
high road labor standards for
all construction workers- and-
again you know I think- our
example of our project- the
skilled and trained workforce
requirements. Really didn't work
out and we had to take a project
that started out as fifty fifty
affordable housing and turn it
into a 100% affordable housing
project- total timidly make it.
viable so with that- again
strongly urge you to support-
this bill today and- happy to
take any questions thank you for
your time. Thank you very much
we're going to hear from
witnesses in support here in
room. Twelve hundred. Madam
chair scott cover about half of
the construction employers
association in support thank you
. Okay I'm terry members karen
laying on behalf of san
francisco mayor london breed in
support thank you. Medicare's
members michael gunning with
light house publication airs. On
behalf was for habitat for
humanity sand hill property's
build costs said united way
greater la thank you. Says
rodriguez- we need housing now a
carpenters local one fifty two
member- I live in stockton
california selma king county. I
am since support of sb four two
three thank you. Good afternoon
my name is laura drastic I'm a
field representative I'm out of
the nor cal carpenters union I
am also proud member of local.
union four oh five san jose
california I am is in support of
four to three. For dr
sharecroppers local six oh five
out of monterey county I'm here
in support of- s. B. Thirty
forty three thanks very much.
number matthew miller marco
carpenters- member. Local ninety
sixty livermore I live in
burlingame in minnesota and we
need affordable housing on the
peninsula I'm from. I'm fortune
to live on the peninsula my
brothers and sisters cannot
afford to live up there thank
you. Venture it happens
carpenters local two seventeen
nor cal carpenters union we
represents san matteo county and
we are in strong support of
senate bill four twenty three
thank you for. Good afternoon
d'amico's carpenters local seven
fifty one addison- my county
base there and- representing
their members and- we are in
strong support of sb four twenty
three thank you. Good afternoon
show majority companies local
twenty two business agents are
francisco- northcutt carpenters
union clout I stand in support
of- for twenty three thank you.
good afternoon my name's kyle
swarms of a member of local
forty six from a representative
of carpenters local seven fifty
one thirty five one eighty. And
one fifty to cover members up in
humboldt ollie north of san
francisco and I'm here in favor
of sp four twenty three thank
you. Abram d. As a ten ph and
speak on behalf of my colleagues
at all home in the silicon
valley home action fun in strong
support of this before twenty
three. Alex revell equipment and
housing regional for the housing
developer we're in support of sb
four twenty three. Selecting
with the silicon valley
leadership group in support. By
the merging with inner city law
center where skid row's pro bono
legal service fighter we serve
folks for homeless and at risk
of homelessness we are very
proud to support and sponsor sb
four twenty three. Brian shields
power drivers local thirty four
cover not northern forty six
counties- probably support sb
forty three. Madam chair members
of the committee your then put
in a kind of a hard a proc I'm
happy california b. As a proud
co sponsor in support of sb four
twenty three thank you so much.
hello again of two religious
covers local twenty to thirty
six out of oakland. Strong
support of this bill thank you.
good afternoon shawn he by proud
member of no cal carpenters
union five oh five in santa cruz
santa cruz county in strong
support of us before. Twenty
three. Good afternoon chair hang
committee members my name's john
bill perry of member of
carpenters local one eighty in
solano county a resident of fact
will strongly support this. Bill
for twenty three thank. Susan
setter home a member of san
francisco you me and a resident
of low income supportive housing
. And a mother of millennial
trying to find housing in san
jose I strongly support this.
wearing a white with the
california housing consortium
proud to be a co sponsor of this
critical piece of legislation
urge your support today. Hello
sam awesome executive director
of mission housing development
corporation a nonprofit
affordable housing developer I'm
here representing bridge housing
mercy housing the tenderloin
housing clinic john stewart
corporation we are in strong
support among us we have
delivered thousands upon
thousands of affordable housing.
units because of sb thirty five
so please extent thank you. Hi
laura foote executive director
of the in the action and mom to
freddie fog mas this is the
first housing committee meeting-
but probably not as last. And I
ask you to build housing for
this generation and the next
one- in strong support. A
little. Good afternoon sharon
members jordan crimes on behalf
of green built alliance for an
environmental nonprofit serving
the nine county bay area in
strong support today thank you
so much. Hello alex melendrez
city of san bruno I work in the
action I am also a member of
peninsula for everyone I am in
strong support of sb four twenty
three thank you. Good afternoon
alley say berman here on behalf
of the housing action coalition
up on it as I have and last but
not least south bay m. B. Thank
you so much and- in strong
support of course. Good
afternoon centers luis mante
with bury council we represent
about three hundred and thirty
of the bay area's largest
employers here in strong support
of extending sb thirty five
today thank you. Good afternoon
turn members my name is rapha
sonnenfeld with hot indiana and
I'm here in strong support of
this bill on behalf of grow the
richmond. Mountain the mountain
- also on forever no neighbor
and insulet forever why progress
in the valley san. Emb santokh
in be santa rosa emb loco b. Has
bay. Southside ford berman
advice. And fremont for everyone
thank you. Rauner let carbon
local one eighty support thank
you. Richard burns carpenters
local two one three strong
support thank you very much
really appreciate your time
thank you. Brian o'connell napa
resident and how to radio strong
support thank you. Good
afternoon assembled from
southwest mount states regional
council carper's local seven
twenty one. Look at we are
california and we strongly
support s. B. Four twenty three
thank you. Good afternoon madam
chair and committee members
maria coronado live in burbank
california proud member of local
three two three and we're in
strong support of this bill.
april atkins business rep local
twenty two san francisco in
strong support of. Four twenty
three. Anastas macfarlane coming
as legal entities solano county
in support of this bill thanks.
good afternoon judge frawley's-
president seven thirteen and
we're support of s. B. Four two
three thank you. Good afternoon
my name said phil vice I'm a
member of local twenty to thirty
six out of oakland and I
strongly support senate bill
twenty four twenty three thank
you. Good afternoon on't on when
you also the corporate local
seven thirteen represent alameda
county and strong support the
bill for twenty three. I think
everyone. Good afternoon jason
martinez I'm a member of local
seven one for the carpenters
union out of fresno and also-
proud military veteran- in
support of four twenty three
thank you. Good afternoon my
name's courtney powell and with
resources for community
development or a nonprofit
affordable housing developer in
support of sb four twenty three
thanks. Good afternoon travis
alexander laughter local ninety
eighty three out of fresno we
strongly support sb. Forty
three. Good afternoon eddie luna
no cup proud proud member of
local carpenters local seven
thirteen am pleased that the
light the end of support of this
bill. For twenty three. Good
afternoon my name is juan
espinoza I'm a proud member of
nor cal carpenters local two
seventeen in some until county
and I'm here in strong support
of s. B. Two four twenty three
thank you. Five douglas leach a
resident of danville in support
of this bill. My name is a gable
and a member of local one oh two
and livermore and I we support
this bill. Good afternoon my
name is daniel craig a member at
nor cal carpenters local twenty
thirty six and oakland strongly
support sb four twenty three
thank you. Good evening
francisco martinez- feel ripped
up and local twenty to thirty
six loka- carpenters covering
forty six northern california
counties and we in support of
these bills. If made lopez
resident that it gives that
governmental. Level bus this
bill. Marilyn shea california
association of local housing
finance agencies strong support
. Hi katie herridge mac within
ph nonprofit housing association
of northern california in strong
support. Rigoberto collado from
us senate say california split
support sb four twenty three
thank. Good afternoon my name is
one barbosa and I'm a field
representative but local five oh
five in santa cruz county coming
strong support of sb four twenty
three thank you. Good afternoon
my name is erin had service
currently at work local twenty
two and services to an arms
strong supporter of- for twenty
four. Canister with the local
nine one four four in san jose
and I strongly support sb. Four
twenty three. Chris martinez
local fifty nine nine out of
redding california and I
strongly support this bill.
jerry kantor be a member north
cal california local forty six-
and I means putting support a
bath before twenty three. Some
of us kids out of local four
five in san jose california in
strong support sb four twenty
three. Giovanni are liam-
resident of placerville I'm a
member of sixty eight l. In
oakland and I strongly support
this long overdue read
legislation as before twenty
three. Chris palmer member local
one idea below strong support of
sb four twenty three. Albertans
today ninety one forty four a
strong supporter of for twenty
three. Committee members good
afternoon pedro mendes covers
local twenty two I'm here in
strong support this bill thanks
. How does all this markle
carpenters union local forty six
sacramento who strong supporter
of sb forty three. Tony will be
california apartment association
strong support thanks. Kyle
patterson selfless mount states
felt los angeles we're sort of
strong supporter of this bill.
sb. Four twenty three. Good
evening committee ministry
lawson from the beautiful city
of long beach california local
five six two wistrom please in
support of his bill thank. Madam
chair members to any curtain
california conference of
carpenters I really want you to
understand that skilled and
trained as it stands now with
literally exclude the three
hundred and thirty thousand or
three over three hundred
thousand nonunion construction
workers and housing. And exclude
significant portion of the union
construction workers that are in
housing it is a very complex
difficult standard be happening
is some questions afterwards.
and we're in support of ab
that's before twenty three thank
you. Got little l. Richmond
california residents member of
carpenters local one fifty two
and a researcher of housing
construction labor standards for
twenty years in strong support
of four to three.
I think you do we have any other
witnesses in support of sb four
twenty three hearing room twelve
hundred. Seeing none will now
move on to witnesses in
opposition of s. B. A poor
twenty three here in room twelve
hundred.
good afternoon madam chair
committee members. My name is
sabrina fernandes. I'm a native
san franciscan graduates of the
state approved apprenticeship
training program and I'm a state
certified electrician. I'm here
today to speak on behalf of the
california. I've been a member
of my organization the
international brotherhood of
electrical workers for thirty
five years. I served my
apprenticeship and work with
tools in the field for about
half of my career. The other
half I spent creating and
directing our electrical
industry cut- office of labor
compliance. Well my job involves
speaking with workers on public
construction projects in san
francisco. We're all
construction workers union and
nonunion. Should receive by law
prevailing wages and more
premises registered in state
approved apprenticeship training
programs are mandated the
opportunity to work a percentage
of hours on projects. So that
they may learn their craft from
experience and skilled journey
persons all too often I meet
workers who are unaware that
they're entitled to prevailing
wages workers who don't have the
benefit of union representation
for example. And many of whom
are immigrants with limited
english language skills or
otherwise vulnerable. I've
helped many of these folks who
are too afraid to speak up about
wage theft or other abuses
fearful of losing their jobs.
too afraid to say no. Even when
asked to perform work they had
no experience in. Putting their
lives. And the lives of their
coworkers at risk. No one can
contest the wrong in subjecting
workers to dangerous work
they're not trained to perform.
and what about the folks who
occupy and use the building
being built by the unskilled.
whether it be a school a
hospital or housing. For those
building safe. I think it's an
important question. I was glad
when california legislators
passed skilled and trained
requirements for construction
workers ensuring that baseline
percentages of workers on public
and fast track housing in
california would be required to
be graduates of state approved
apprenticeship training
programs. Or have equivalent
measures of skill and experience
. These programs make high skill
high paying careers accessible
to people of color women like me
. And vulnerable folks. Like
many of those I met on san
francisco jobsites. People for
whom skill training is the
difference between fear and
empowerment between being abuse
worker. And being a valued
worker stepping on to the path
of the middle class. Sb four to
three removes the requirements
do you skilled and train workers
and employ apprentices. Don't
let exploitative profit driven
developers get rich at the
expense of the safety of
california's construction
workers. Please do not allow sb
four to three to move forward
unless it is amended to retain
strong language mandating
skilled and trained measures.
california's construction work
force. All of us. Deserve these
protections. We urge the members
of this committee to work with
the same with the state building
construction trades council.
before the bill gets off the
senate floor thank you very much
for time. Madam chair members
serra flocks of the california
labor federation representing
two million union members in the
state of california. We also
stand with the building trades
and with my sister from the I.
b. E. W. In opposing sb four
twenty three unless amended. Sb
thirty five was the product of
extensive negotiations that
resulted in allowing
streamlining for projects if
developers were able to meet
labor standards that included
the prevailing wage and a
skilled and trained workforce.
this ensured that workers were
paid fairly but also that these
projects were creating good
middle class jobs. Sb four
twenty three removes those labor
standards for residential
construction workers. We oppose
this on policy but we oppose
this as a matter of principle.
it is unacceptable to strip
labor protections and labor
standards from any worker in the
state of california whether
they're a construction worker a
nurse a teacher a firefighter a
truck driver or any other.
person in california who works
in this state. For those reasons
we must oppose this bill. As a
federation of unions that
represent members in every
industry in the state we know
that affordable housing is a
priority for working
californians it's a priority for
our members we hear it every day
. But we also know that it's not
a standalone problem. The
affordable housing crisis is
inextricably linked to the lack
of good middle class jobs we can
not address one without
addressing the other we cannot
solve this crisis on the backs
of workers it is only going to
cause another crisis. It is for
those reasons that we stand with
our brothers and sisters and
siblings in the building trades
and ask that you vote no on this
bill today we oppose unless
amended thank you. Madam chair
members jason riley california
cities- we are also opposed to
this measure. Madam chair and
members mario you dirty of the
western regional political
director for unite here and the
hospitality workers are here in
solidarity with the building and
construction trades council
oppose unless amended thank you
. Good afternoon my name is mark
miller were for the california
state building trees we
represent half a million
construction workers in
california and we oppose this
unless amended thank you. Good
afternoon members because
they're walking here on behalf
of the two hundred thousand plus
members of the california states
by trade council the california
state association of electrical
workers the coalition of
california utility employees as
well as the western states
council of sheet metal workers
and opposition as the bill as
currently constructed thank you
. Hello my name is law like a
steel with ibew local eleven of
los angeles a representing
almost twelve thousand members
what we stand in solidarity with
the building trades to oppose sb
four twenty three unless amended
thank you. Good afternoon forty
senators thank you for all your
work do you do for the state of
california. I many payroll co
monterey santa cruz county
building construction trades
council. We oppose four two
three s. B. Forty three class
fits amended we stand right with
the state building trades thank
you. Good afternoon sherrin guns
all of it is on behalf of the
cities of bakersfield corona
rancho cucamonga and rancho
palos verdes in opposition thank
you. My name is scott reform a
business agent local three nine
three you way. Santa clara
county san benito counties- we
support the building trades an
oppose unless amended. Matt
brought here on behalf of the
california teamsters in town in
paradise in opposition thank you
. Good afternoon madam chair
chasing themselves representing
the cities of oak grove in the
walls sleek would and rancho
cordova in opposition thank you
. Good afternoon chair and
committee members hi jonathan
that representing the city of
montebello- in opposition unless
amended- well as amended to
impose a sunset on january first
twenty thirty and to x. And
cd's- they are in compliance
with housing element thank you.
good afternoon carly shall be on
behalf of the city's entries he
mission viejo la habra laguna
beach placentia and all marin
opposition thank you. Mitchell
bechtel with the discounts of
ironworkers we stand state
building trades in opposition
unless amended thank you. An
estimate on a los angeles and
orange county building and
construction trades council
representing one hundred forty
thousand hard working men and
women and I stand with the state
building trades in opposition to
this bill. Hello my name is john
hershey with united association
of plumbers and pipefitters
local four four seven in the
sacramento region and we are
oppose unless amended thank you
. Good afternoon maggie with
local union two to eight
plumbers and pipefitters
marischal california and we
stand with the state building
trades and oppose this bill was
amended. My name's jake bash
with local four four seven
plumbers pipefitters and- just
strongly disagree with- s. B.
four twenty three thanks. My
name is beau fairburn local
plumbers and pipefitters four
four seven apprentice we
strongly oppose. I'm camera
robertson- opposes will local
four four seven plumbers
pipefitters thank you. Good
afternoon but really you want to
have the state building
construction trades council
which is like to reiterate the
comments made by my colleagues
and primary testimony- we
strongly oppose this bill unless
amended- ask this bill seeks to
provide carve outs for market
rate for profit developers and
rolls back labor protections we
look forward to continuing
discussions. With the author and
the sponsors on this bill thank
you very much. Good afternoon
senators my name is alex lance
burke research and advocacy
director with the san francisco
electrical construction industry
in opposition for twenty three I
am also a long time labor
standards researcher and I've
vehemently oppose the half
truths and misrepresentations in
testimony in support thank you.
good afternoon chair members of
the committee my name is josh
from iran- I am the executive
secretary treasure of the tri
counties building and
construction trades council san
luis obispo santa barbara and
ventura counties representing
over fourteen thousand hard
working skilled and trained.
workers on behalf of the tri
counties building construction
trades council we stand with the
state building and construction
trades council california
opposition unless amended.
intended to be an extension of
sb thirty five and twenty
seventeen the bill eliminates
the existing safety in
construction training standards
on housing specifically a
requirement. That a small
percentage of workers on the
project be graduates of state
approved apprenticeship
programs. The labor protections
in sb thirty five that were
previously negotiated. Sir we
don't have you has a lead
witness we right now we're just
taking name organization and
support opposition I understood
. Joshua medrano. In extreme
opposition of this bill thank
you thank you sir. For annika
within this resident of tracy's
summit mason proud member local
four hundred out of san jose and
I'm in a position of. S. B. Four
twenty three- unless amended.
thank you thank you ma'am. Do
you have any other witnesses in
opposition to s. B. For twenty
three hearing room twelve
hundred- be more thank. Kamala.
all right now we will- you will
now move on to witnesses we to
testify be it be at the
teleconference arvest. Will be
limiting phone testimony to
twenty minutes for all bills
during this hearing. Moderator
if you would please from the
individuals waiting to testify
in support of or opposition. Hey
we will we begin. Or the vision
once again if you are in port or
opposition of the board the
basic press one. Zero to hear a
phone indicating the queue if
you'll be giving. Bills notify
because please ahead. Brough
park we shouldn't representing
teamsters local six five. Will
this building tray. In op to the
sp six more twenty three thank
you. Next will be going to wind
to nineteen please go ahead. Hi
at this is there cannella kind
of political director for you a
local three nine green we
represent thirty one hundred
members are quite thirteen
better hvacr technicians in
santa cards have been you know
county we stand with the
building trades in opposition to
the bill must be commended. Next
we'll go to line two eighty four
please go ahead. Hey. Yes it is
your line is open. Dark hi I do
not have a fighter the city
chapel in the south finish out
the in the probably fourteen at
the twenty thank you. Thanks
will going to one eighty six
please click here. Gallagher
table helping that in keeping
our local. We will focus on
responsible all. Have no for.
that are being or approved in
commitment to your skill trades
. Well british product profits.
what I next will go by him
twenty please ahead. Thank you
to. Yes to twenty year long is
open. Yes name is eddie ray. Are
workers local three seven seven
president terms francisco
resident I stand with the san
francisco with the state
building trades in strong
opposition to sb four twenty
three- the only ones that are in
favor of this and are carpenters
that wishes disassociated with
the state building trades.
please amanda thank you. Thanks
for going to wind eighty nine
please go ahead. Thank you.
humboldt del nord building kind
trades secretary treasurer we
stand with the state building
trades in opposition- sb four
twenty three unless amended. Sh
thank you. Next was going to
line forty two please go ahead.
good afternoon randy weber
ironworkers local four sixty los
angeles we stand strong in.
opposition with state building
trades on at four twenty three
thank you for. Next will be
going to line three nineteen
please go ahead. All right- so
we more shot at calling from los
angeles what better for everyone
in strong support thank you. It
will be taking line three twenty
one please go ahead. Good
afternoon my name is nina lay
bonta legislative affairs
manager on behalf of the city of
thousand oaks we stand and
respectful opposition thank you
. Thanks to go to line three
eighteen please go ahead. Bob
garrity from redlands and
californian be calling in strong
support of sb. Four two three.
will be going to line to ninety
one please go ahead. Assembly
olympic city of beverly hills
and we are opposed. Next will be
going to line two nine to sixty
five please go ahead. The first
water bradley with building
trades of the inland empire as a
business manager and executive
secretary we are strongly
opposed to this bill and- your
your rest your day. Thank you
now we will go to line number
two sixty seven please go ahead
. Our carpenters local fifty
eight ninety nine shasta county
california. We are in strong
support of s. B. To- thank you
will go to the line to forty six
please go ahead. Hello my name
is brian pours out made business
agent for you a local three nine
three representing over thirty
one hundred plumbers pipefitters
steam fitters and hvac our
service technicians in santa
clarendon of counties- today I'm
calling in standing in
solidarity with the building
trades council. And strongly
oppose sb four twenty three
thank you very top. Thank you my
number. To eight eight nine two
eighty eight. Barbara the field
representative local carpenters
union number at two seventeen
foster city california. A strong
supporter of sb four twenty
three thank you all for time.
thank you my number. Two ninety
four. The representative. United
seven thirty element county not
showing support the bill. Thank
you. Thank you my number two
three two. I am. Many observers
okot. I'm a resident of la okay
. Immigrants at- covers local
one eighty coverage solano
county and I strongly support
this bill sb four twenty three
thank you. Thank you will go to
the line number forty seven. In
the blighted styles- the
presiding over a thousand
members of local three ninety
plumbers painters welders. Joint
the state building trades in
opposition of. S. B. For twenty
three thank you. Thank you next
we'll go to line number three
twenty five. Hello carol cannot
find the business manager of the
san diego county building and
construction trades council and
also the ceo of the s. U. V. G.
the family housing corporation
and we are in strong opposition.
of sb. Four twenty three unless
amended thank you. Thank you my
number. One fifty seven. Hi my
name is contacted what the pain
is an allocate- mister. Opposed
of sb four twenty three thank
you. Thank you my number. One
fifty six. Hi this is david the
better with the painters and
allied trades district council
thirty six local thirteen ninety
nine. And we're going to be
supporting the state building
trades in opposition s. B. Where
opposing sorry opposition sb.
four twenty three. Thank you we
will go to line number. Three
thirty. One eighteen I stand
with the state building trades
in opposition of this bill must
imagine thank you. Thank you
will now go to line number two
twenty six. Good afternoon chen
members eric turner on behalf of
the town of apple valley
respectfully in opposition.
thank you my number. One forty
one. Right after the automated
allocate- opposed. The four
twenty three you. Next to line
number for five. Hi my name is
rachel shoemaker by b. W. Three
oh two representing over one
thousand three hundred electoral
workers in contra costa county
we've been solidarity with the
state building trades in
opposition of sb four twenty
three ellis amended. We need to
invest in our friendship some
promote skilled and trained
language which helps protect all
construction workers from
exploitation thank you. Thank
you next a bottle line number
two- oh six. My number two oh
six your line is open. Yeah
martin rodriguez I will be for
thirty three I stand in
opposition of this bill. In
solitary with state building
trades unless amended. Thank you
my number. Three forty four.
follow maldonado. The mobile
originally from about california
center by area I. And- and off
on behalf of the your email-
according to reports twenty
three. Thank you and idiot and a
. Thank you to a court of number
thirty two. Hi open shallow and
mark panel in the home
representing hundreds of people
and. For twenty three twenty
third housing and thanks for all
your hard work kushida. Thank
you by number. One twenty five.
yes transaction. Three seventy
eight stand with the building
changed in opposition of. S. B.
twenty three dollars. Thank you
my number. Fifty four. My number
fifty for your line is open.
okay we'll move on to the next
next nine three hundred please
go ahead. My name is larry
mazzola. Business manager you a
local thirty eight plumbers and
pipefitters and sam sisco mall
for the president the same
system building construction
trades council. A deep entire
building trade up and down
california strongly opposes
ripping strong labor standards
out of this bill please close.
thank you next to- to line
numbers thirty four please go
ahead. My number thirty for your
line is open. Hello this is
ricky owens logistics. Six nine.
empire state building trains.
and oppose. Or. Twenty three.
thank you y. Number thirty seven
please go ahead. My number
thirty seven your line is open.
yes this is joseph parker. Local
six six nine organizer and we
stand with the state building
trades in oppose this bill.
thank you next to a bottom line
number one eighty nine. Hi my
name is public war- volunteer
with california yimby- calling
in strong support. Thank you
spline number. Ninety nine. My
number ninety nine your line is
open. Okay we will go to the
next line of sixty one please go
ahead. In your- go ahead. John
henry lopez with you a local two
four six palmer's implies that
there's representing fresno
madera tulare kings county and
we stand in solidarity with the
state building trades in
opposition of sb. Four twenty
three months amended thank you.
thank you mexico line number.
one thirty five. Hi can you hear
me. We can hear you go head.
right dillon at lee eng
councilmember with blocks also
and I'd like to register my
opposition sb four twenty three
it I don't think you realize
the- legal liability system
poses on cities thank you. Thank
you next to a photo line number
three thirty one. The to the ibm
application global california
inside los angeles in opposition
to people three thank you. Thank
you next to a photo line number
three fourteen please go ahead.
cool organizer you a large local
citrix nine. Senate opposition.
twenty three okay real feel in
train. Thank you next week
bottle numbers oh please go
ahead. Good afternoon madam vice
chair member run dickens on
behalf of some well. The local
guy commission in support thank
you. Thank you next to a photo
line number. Two seventy one. Hi
this is rob nielsen from
peninsula for everyone calling
in support of our state four two
three thank you. Next we'll go
to line number eighty please go
ahead. Good afternoon position
in boston businessman group
formed by bitter cold four eight
four we stand with the state
building trades in strong
opposition to s. B. Four twenty
three unless amended. Thank you
. Thank you next to a line
number. Two seventy six. Matt
kelly covers local forty six
calling in strong support of sb
four twenty three skilled and
trained building no units of
housing thank you. Thank you
next to a line number two
seventy seven. Hello my name is
patricia rumors another local
fall fired in a much strong
support sb four twenty three
thank you. I next to record a
line number. Two ninety five.
good afternoon brandon the
member a local force former
spectators and- the service I
join the state bill trades
strong opposition of at four
twenty three. Thank you. Thank
you we will to one number three
all. Four my number four. Yes
good afternoon this is one the
biggest. Carpenters local seven
oh one and fresno I'm in strong
support of fat beats for twenty
three. Thank you next we will go
to line number forty please go
ahead. By number. Forty okay
we'll move on to the next number
of. Three thirty three. Three
thirty within a- this is ryan
medical center emb in strong
support of sb four twenty fifty
thank you. Next we will go to
line number three twenty seven.
good afternoon my name is jason
pierce I'm a member in a field
rep of carpenters local seven
fifty one of the humble county.
strong supporter of sb four
twenty three thank you. Thank
you next will. Three forty five.
what carper's local seventeen
eighty nine in strong support of
sb four twenty three. Hi one. My
number. Two seventy three. Good
afternoon my name's steve ayers
carpenters local seven fifty one
strong supporter of it b. For
twenty three. Thank you thanks
to a vocal line number three
twenty. My number three twenty.
hello go ahead. My name is no
the lander of part of the- two
seventeen carper's union. County
and I'm a strong supporter of sb
four twenty three. Thank you
next we'll go to line number.
fifty eight. Hi this is regina
alafia with ibew local five nine
five representing nearly twenty
five hundred electric workers in
alameda county. Filmmaking
county and calaveras county and
week I'm calling in solitary
solidarity with the state
building trades in opposition-
of commended to senate bill four
twenty three thank you. I thank
you we will go to line number
three eleven. The new went into
susan eggman carpenters union
local five zero five in santa
cruz county and I strongly
support as before twenty three
thank you. Thank you. Thanks we
will go to my number. Two fifty
six. Hi my name is ron finley
I'm and local. Ninety one oh
nine drywall laughter's fact
only. Christian programs top
notch training first aid cpr and
when they're walking the job
sector proficient in the job
they're hired for I'm in support
for sb four twenty three. Thank
you next to a photo line number
. Three sixteen. Hello my name
is a victim of billion a
carpenter with local seven fifty
one and sonoma county all
carpenters up and down all of
california is very much in
support of s. B. Four twenty
three thank you. Thank you next
to a photo line number. One
sixty seven. My number one sixty
seven. We will move on to line
number one now- nine one oh nine
. Hi my name is sean kyle with
ibew five nine five in dublin
california we represent twenty
five hundred electric workers
alameda san joaquin calaveras
county as- we stand with state
building trades. In opposition.
sb four two three thank you.
thank you next to a photo line
number three fifty please go
ahead. My name is lisa dance
with fremont for everyone and we
proudly support sb four twenty
three. Thank you. We'll go to
line number one eleven. His
excellency with iron workers
local three seventy eight we
stand with the state building
and construction trade an oppose
unless amended thank you. Thank
you next to line number three
four. Hello I would martin
lawrence summer to do no harm
and long last report. Thank you
next we record line them two now
said the matter motor either
this will our last- witness via
the telecom- we have reached our
. Twenty okay number. Two ninety
six. Right field rep corporate
local two skin pools of s. Forty
three let's build housing. Thank
you. Thank you. Thank you
matamata. And think you to all
our super and opposite witness
will bring that is back to the
main. No senator burke he had a
question five thank you madam
chair- certainly this is an
illustration of conflicting
values the value the many of us
hold to ensure that the work
force is skilled and trained
versus the value of creating
more affordable housing- I'm
going to support the bill- it's
going to make it. Long I hope
not terribly torturous journey
here to legislature but- I'm
gonna ask you if you are also
committed to trying to reconcile
those two values as it moves
forward. So if the question is
am I committed to working with
the opposition to try to come to
a resolution on this 1100%
absolutely as I said earlier it
takes two to tango. But
absolutely what what one can I
do wanna say center but- I'd I
don't think it's accurate to
suggest that this fight is
about- about skilled. Labor
verses affordable housing the
language that we have in this
bill- it died it requires very
significant labor protections
and that these are not on
skilled. Workers it requires.
effort sort of team workers out
of. Internship program I'm sure
that- can talk about how does
that this is it is a false
narrative. To say that this is
gonna be on qualified unskilled
untrained construction workers
versus skilled construction
workers these are different
labor standards this is.
replacing one set of labor
standards with a different set
of labor standards- and the
carpenters can explain why it
will cover many many more.
construction workers but yes we
absolutely I'm on my door is
perpetually open- and my hope is
to resolve this it's not a fight
the fight is. As unpleasant for
me as it is for anyone else but
I do want to make that one
clarification thank you center
where I'm gonna focus on last
thirty seconds of your answer.
thank you. Thank you senator
number I know kelly said keep a
r. To that's fine you. So do you
notice several cities in n. And
their- and their opposition I
think revolves around. Of the
fact that- dave really been
struggling with a cd and getting
their housing elements approved
and then we- piled on apr- as a
method of. Disallowing them to
that have been approved. Housing
element or have it in compliance
they could say. And so what this
does is it gives a cd that with
the power over them to.
basically stripped the rights
away- by not processing in time
in a timely fashion which is
been there their big complaint-
we've heard a little bit from h.
c. D. That no no it's the
cities. Well you know there's
two hundred cities out there
were more there's actually three
hundred and eighty three- trying
to get. In compliance with their
housing elements so that they
can deal with the new members
the rain and numbers that have
come out. And until that
disconnect is fixed so that
there's actually a better
process for them to get their
housing element approved hard
for me to give. An extension in
time to process it's kind of
broken right now I'd like to see
that process addressed- before
we go on and give an extension
to an already broken process.
it's easy for cities that got
sixty five units. Of affordable
housing. Put in as their arena
number but the ones who got
three thousand to four thousand
units. Going to be impossible
for them to do that and housing
elements don't just get produced
overnight. You can do in a week
you can do you can barely do in
two years. And so that's what
they're struggling with and
that's why you heard from some
of the cities. If we can fix
that process I'd be more
inclined. To you to some of
these other streamlining methods
because I'm all about
streamlining but it has to be
done on our end to end our our
agencies need to be responsive
to the cities. They can't just
say hey you guys didn't do it
right. Try again. And that's
what a lot of them have gotten
really frustrated out there and
I think- in and I think that's-
the issue that. You're cities
are having. So that's my comment
I don't know if you've talked a
cd about this. But hard for me
to support until they fix their
problems. I mean. I've bob is
been. Involved with and for
close monitor. How element. Or
six. In my said of sanford.
which would drum. Process knows
. Is perfect there are also
cities- that have- there are
some cities that have have flown
off of their obligation and
have. A dog not all there are
plenty of cities are trying
really hard but there are
cities. That have decided they
were going to continue to do
what we've allowed them to do
for decades. Which is to submit
a- housing element that is never
going to happen- and then there
are also in surprise when it
gets rejected I think it should
is working very hard. To try to
certified or not certified
compliant with the law there
cities that are frustrated.
they're also advocates whose
there are plenty of advocates
you think you city has been too
soft in some cities so it should
is getting pulled in a lot of
different directions right now
and I think they're acting.
working in good faith to try to.
to resolve it. Thank you centers
it there to we have senator will
hop with the question center
skinner and sutter cortese.
thank you. Thank you to
everybody who spoke- I'll
actually move this item- and
hoping that the author of the
carpenters in the building
trades all work together- on
both sides- to kind of come to
some type of agreement moving
forward- this is a housing
committee and we do need
affordable housing we also need.
a good paying jobs and I'd like
for all of us to come together
rather than- see what we're
seeing right now- so- for this
committee I will be moving this
forward thank you. Thank you
senator boxer skinner. Thank
you- I want to ask a little more
specific question in terms of-
the. The work to try to get
agreements- and this is by
completely understand the
opposition's. Ab for rather I've
heard it loud and clear so I am
not trying to assume that the
opposition is- not sincere in
their opposition or- is ready to
speak full. But what I wanted to
race is that what the farm
beyond the sunset. What's being
changed from what we approved in
thirty five sb thirty five. Or
so- as the number of units in
particular projects that's one
of the main changes in terms of
these are the labor standards
correct hello so it has to be
clear on what the change was
under under the original sb
thirty five for anything for
anything that was at least 50%
to fifty to a 100% below market
rate the restricted. It was
straight up prevailing wage for
anything that was mixed income
below above I think twenty five
units I believe that's the
number it's gone up to- was-
skilled. Skilled workforce-
this- replaces dive- structure
with prevailing wage for
anything eleven and above and
what once it hits fifty that and
the health care requirements
kicked and as well as the- the
apprenticeship- requirements in
the bill and the wage theft is
ubiquitous throughout that sort
of a how the structure change
okay. So I guess. And again I
don't want to for the off but-
what I want to you is your will.
to modify some of those either
the numbers if that's the issue
. Or or is it the range is it
the mix of units in terms of
mix- ford or portable. Again
trying not yet presuming that
what would address opposition
concerns right before your- yes
so I don't hi- to on the go
share against myself I'm happy
to sit down I'm sure with the
carpenters the trades and to try
to- have been negotiation.
absolutely my door is always
open- you know in in terms of
what will be included in that
negotiation and there were there
are some items in the trades
opposition letters. Which are
items that are in about the
skilled workforce versus prime
wage which we think our trust in
the bill but- you know sometimes
people say you you think you're
addressing it but it's drafted
wrong and my- responses well
tell me how it struck the wrongs
I want to drop things correctly.
to some of the items in the in
the trades opposition letter.
are you know I think I've been
dressed but if not then I just
want to know exactly how not and
to my interest to know if they-
if they think it hasn't been-
address but I. My sense- having
spoken the traits a lot about
this is that the skilled
workforce versus prime which is
at the heart of it- and- you
know weeds- like I said we were
by aye I am very much would like
to. Resolve it hi. I think
you're- I think it would be a
good thing- unfortunately you
know like I said- I won said in
a letter to us you know not
reply won't talk about tangling
weren't willingness to. Have
those open discuss yes because
I'm usually the quiet. One of
the movement on your part to.
yes I. We never. Means everyone
is going to- to open my- you
know I think I want to be here
one and what I love love about.
I know it's been long. As both
were like were our house we are
with streamlining right the are
not saying category oppose or
pose unless some. Because we
have. To major labor organ. That
have disagreement about which is
the best- labor protections
right we have the trades have.
your advocating from. Side of
the carpenters are advocating
different of protections they
both I think authentically
believe it their protections are
better- and you know. We had to
go shuzhen twenty seventeen
actually with the carpenters
work involved we came to a
resolution the traits of told me
for the last few years that they
don't support. Anymore the deal
they agreed to in twenty
seventeen which I respect no one
is permanently bound to anything
near deal that they agree to
people can change our minds-
but- you know I think initiation
you know and that kind of
dialogue. Would be helpful as
you can tell them temperatures a
little bit high- not right now
but we've all seen that with
bills that I think. Everyone had
bills that temperature gets
really high. And then as things
progress. Over the course of
legislative year. People start
talking come to table. The
temperature really on ab twenty
eleven last year and there was a
deal cut in in august so- I
would love for that to happen.
not everyone has to be open
minded. Myself included and all
the stakeholders to do that.
thank you senator skinner- we
have center cortese. Thank you
thank you mister. I have a
question for the author which is
not a work for standards. You
know and then I have- actually
the question. Each for- the
carpenters and in the building
trades. Just so- one each six of
the tornadoes. The question I
have- for the author. And you
may recollect this- engine in
this in the past and some other.
in some other. Form of saddam
committee hearing. We have. In
in san jose- ten council
districts the- comprises about a
hundred thousand population
each. Each one having a single
calls member representing the-
m. As sb thirty five has. Been
successfully applied and utilize
their- what we're experiencing
is- cancel members world and I
don't mean the entire council.
but only in in fairness to
people not being here will
mention specific names. But
essentially- in in very clearly
telling constituencies- court
residential constituencies
surrounding developed- I'm sorry
sites that are to be developed.
the because of sb thirty five-
are precluded from from holding
any meaningful hearings or
discussions with the community.
on those projects. I know. That
that's not in the bill I know
that serving in the bill
understand the bill would- in
effect do away with the
necessity of a secret here read-
but it also knows that there's a
whole set of hearings leading up
to that moment including general
plan hearings- zoning hearings
in in a lot of other things.
where the city council puts
imprint on what they want to see
an area. Including objectives
only standards that said- is
what can be done. With the
extension. Of the sb thirty five
through this bill for twenty
three this time around- to give
us a fair shot is legislators in
in terms of reporting- those.
misleading statements are women
call the misunderstandings
because it's hard for me to
believe that any. City is- let
alone one as sophisticated as
the third largest city the city
california is in getting the
proper legal advice in the
proper understanding of the bill
like this before they go out and
talk to their constituents.
regis it seems to me that we
need to do some of that work if
we want not to have blame
shifting going on for a lack of
community process in the
neighborhoods could you speak to
that agent one of there's a
willingness to try to. Come up
with something- in terms of
state assistance maybe through a
cd or somehow to get the word
out constituents that they do
have the right to continue
asking for. Community meetings
and discussion yeah. One thing
that- figured about does not
hello. The ability to facilitate
wants to hold a hearing or or
neighborhood meeting. They can
do that- in my experience having
watched the implementation of
this bill for carefully for the
last five years. If you are try
if you're a developer with your
nonprofit for will developer
mark redevelopment if you were.
in this and this for this whole
affordable developers because
there has been very very little
on the market rate side- but- it
is in your interest. To engage
with the local community even
though you have the ability to
trigger a three thirty five and
your- annual alternately trigger
it. Which will protect the bill
from sickle education for
example. Five your life is gonna
be a heck of a lot easier. If
you have engage with the
community and with the city
council pine department- because
sometimes it may be that they
just want a few changes here and
there consider this. And then it
de escalates the situation and
because you do have cities to
try to nit pick every every
little possible loophole it's a
lot easier if the city is like.
okay we're okay with this
projects were not going to do
that. And so and I think a lot
of the not not every developer
there's a range of developers.
but there are plenty of
developers who I think do. Not
engage ahead of time and sb
thirty five. Allows them to
protect that. Of the project
from from from the lawsuit so
it. Any idea maybe you and I
should talk any ideas you have
I'm. I'm open to it- I mean into
times so. Part to it might take
some of. Very modest you know
budgetary. Appropriation or some
it's just the back. This of
works upper apart for the bill.
but would love to work with you
on. In make sure of. In we're
defending the good that.
contained herein the in the disk
- going- can you do to. Those
per. For the to call. I have
first. For the car. Of that so
internal the any kerr is still
here some who can. A question.
on their behalf. Is this is this
is a it's a pretty
straightforward question here so
I know it's not overly technical
in nature- let me preface this
by saying. I've so not recently
visited the- the new carpenter's
apprenticeship center of the on
the south county santa clara
county- it's just as recently.
of visited. Huh the sheet metal
workers- beautiful training
center- in the city of san jose.
both of these facilities as- was
explained to me at the time
we're not only state of the art
but have capacity. Capacity to-
you know to add a premises. Into
attached them to jobs. When I
read the language in the
standards. In this bill asking
the but this of the carpenters
because- of your support for the
bill sponsorship of the bill- it
appears to me. If I'm if I'm
reading this right in the marina
verbatim all of- the on page six
of sixteen of my documents here
- culture to the construction
cowboys must either participate
in an apprenticeship program
pruebas de california division
of apprenticeship standards. As
specified for request. The
dispatch of the princes from the
state approved apprenticeship
program as specified. So if the
contractor chooses. For the
second part of that work request
the dispatch of apprenticeships
rather than participate. In
apprenticeship program what
guarantee do we have. Of adding
or filling. Up the carpenters
apprenticeship program for the
sheet metal workers or anybody
else is it seems to me that. If
they request the dispatch of
apprenticeships apprenticeships
of a- for that job- in the
responses we don't have. A put
up enough to send out but we
don't we need to send out. That
the contractors off the hook you
know in terms of driving
apprenticeship and training and
enrollment in the trades could
you respond to the certainly-
and thank you for the question
senator. The language that
you've quoted is a substantially
the same language that is
applied for decades to the
public works sector of
california which is accounting
for about 20% of all
construction in the state of
california. Where it is either
shall employer shall request.
it's also language and we have
successfully put thousands of
apprentices we have nineteen
thousand carpenter and drywall
and power driver premises
throughout the state that are
actively registered as is-
brother brad shaw said earlier
turned out. And had graduated
more than any other single union
in the state. It public works
has been in an important part
along with private work for a
check a cheating that level of
success. I would also note that
the language of having that
request a good faith effort
which is has to be documented-
is parallel to th at the federal
level language in the inflation
reduction act. Enacted in twenty
twenty to the state building and
construction trades council
lauded as a massive win for
californian californians. It's
language that in with that puts
forward pairs prevailing wages
with the partnership that's been
a winning combination for
decades already. For the ira it
is the inflation reduction
activities to expand into a new
market place for energy
efficiency work supported by tax
credits. Similarly given the non
union status of the private
residential world and I should
note half of publicly subsidized
a 100% affordable housing which
is not. We will be expanding.
massively in fact we already
have over the past five years of
sb thirty five being in effect
have seen dozens of projects.
that have employed union journey
level workers and union
registered apprentices on the
other hand we have not seen.
union journey level. Workers
party or union apprentices
employed on projects that are
held to a skilled and trained
workforce pro. Stand
requirements retinoid. I didn't
say I want. To impose somebody
else's language I'm just asking
you why have permissive
language. Win win. And I know
appreciate everything the
carbons are done to- to grow and
develop their own apprenticeship
program. Larger than the any any
other union within the overall
scope of the building trades but
I also know from first talking
to your leadership that the
objective is to grow that much
more to keep growing as- an and
I don't know how you get there.
that's why I asked the question
how do you assure us for
guaranteed us that this language
gets you there if it's
permissible would make more
sense to say. That. Good have
these first two. In language.
that you could part to in this
program for re this premises-
for- or in role. Your work force
in the apprenticeship program
that current exists. What what
would it say that. There's no.
that there's put of non union
workers and every one of these
jobs at the builders are saying
we want more housing production
that's what we're doing this
bill we want. Teams to
streamline things we need to
move quicker we've got people
that want to go to work. Where
we then seen wonderful will
streamline. The objective so you
can get your developments done
much more quickly. But in
exchange you need to do not just
two of these things
permissibility if they work and
if they don't proceed nonunion-
but you need to do one or the
other. Or in effect- signatory
what by would we say that with
language that that. Simply says
you you've got to have. What
would have other been your non
union force in the list before
that sb thirty five project
overly thomas b. Thirty five
projects in this bill before
that. Project commences. I
certainly as a builder myself
consisted. That a contractors
who do not a new workers
signatory if they want to come
in my gate and I'm just asking
why not have that language. The
language which again you know
has been part of california law
for public works for decades his
excellency works is I under I
and I under I understand if I
just ask you to speak to this
bill. This for this bill what it
what this offers and I would be
happy to share with any member
of the committee a map of where
registered apprentices live
currently. There are parts of
california where frankly not
every single trade has an
adequate number of registered
apprentices today tomorrow and
for quite frankly walt the
carpenters. Apprenticeships are
open to anyone who's seventeen
or over and with the g. D. Or an
equivalent. That's not the case
necessarily for all of the other
pressure programs. We believe
that we are in a housing crisis.
and it is critical to ensure
that we get as much as possible
organized within the streamlined
housing world. And that's- down
to corner for is it takes two to
tango it requires unions and
pressure programs that are in
growth mode- to participate that
are- perhaps at times even
willing. To send an apprentice
to a non union job that's that
that's an opportunity to spread
the union gospel quite frankly.
a member go there but- your- you
know your your responses to my
questions that I don't want to
I'm not here to. You know to go
any further with this- but I
think you told from my comments.
I think if we're going to get to
a place of resolving. The
current. Dispute if you will
over. Workforce standards one
thing that's going to have to be
resolved this. Is how. We as a
legislature effectuate a true.
bargain here. Expedited
expedited. Rules in sequel
waivers in exchange for-
workforce that's that's and
rolled in the kind of screen
that creates a california for
all that's my position I
appreciate your comments. L. Is
also my position that I
appreciate the bold work by all
of you bill sponsors in the
author I said that earlier just
call just incorporate those
comments by referencing in
getting us to a place. Of for
the first time in history the
state where we're starting to
actually streamlined- in and get
production out of some of this
legislation so thank you very
much appreciate your your
comments or just want to go over
that peace with you and if I
could. Just of the notebook a
minute or two. With somebody
representing the building
trades- ever a question there
and. It will be a single
question. I apologize making a
lasting question. Three- person
who responded was so good he
prompted two more questions. And
think they can thank you right I
don't know if you want to re
identify yourself sure my name
is alex lance burdett market
with the building trades in the
research and advocacy director
for the san francisco.
electrical construction industry
so. If it's your position. That
skilled and trained language as
a as it currently exists in s.
b. Sb thirty five. Which is not
in as before twenty three. If
you're saying. That old language
if you will or their current
language is not the problem
that's that's holding up-
production. Then the what is
your explanation. Well I think
the problem holding up
production in california is the
same per day is the same problem
that's holding up production.
throughout the country it's the
same problem that's holding up
production of tens of thousands.
of entitled units that have no
labor standards and it's the
same problem that was holding up
production of. Affordable
housing they got bill dad's bill
with prevailing wage standards.
after the state gave it money.
there's no money for this. The
entire housing market if you
take a look at. That a national
data it's a it's gone in. You
know it's kind of falling off
falling down if you take a look
at california production we but
pretty much flatlined. Back to
pre great recession levels maybe
a little bit higher since about
twenty seventeen since and
despite two hundred seventy
five. Streamlining building code
changes as- hcd has told us we
haven't really seen we haven't
really moved the needle the
fundamental problem is materials
and prices are just ask about
escalating it wildly and quite
volatile- rents. Have gone down
in the land the highest demand
areas and frankly I think this
is something that a lot of
people to hold their of been
multiple lawsuits and sb thirty
five projects if you actually
take a look at the dashboard. In
a cd there are sixty there are
over sixty five hundred units
in. The I thirty five projects
that would have had skilled and
trained standards a number of
them including one of the ones
that- the club put forward by
the by the gentleman who spoke
in support. Were held up through
a variety of different
procedural delays so in short
it's- your explanation is. As
economics economic concerns and
- in litigation to some it yes.
I think so I don't want to over-
we don't have time to. Dominate
the meeting here but- if there's
anything else say it and I just
want to say hey- thank you for.
your answer which is slated to
the prayer witness and also a c.
just like said per witness I
think this needs to be it is an
issue that needs to be resolved.
the these the real answer to
this question if we're going to
be able to go forward to get
this bill on the working
standards side of it. In shape
for general consensus among the
legislature I appreciated center
I think you and I think
everyone's who's- rightfully
worried about the housing crisis
is looking for all sorts of
things. To try to make things go
but I think as we've been saying
that continuing sort of private
sector streamlining in light of
this broad in the broad
conditions that we have in the
market right now is pushing on a
string. And to do so by
eliminating weakening labor
standards not not going from
zero to a prevailing wage
standard but going from the gold
standard that actually trains
that are highers apprentices.
creates a pathway for these
workers to lower it. Is a loss
for california thank you. Thank
you ma'am sure. Thank you do we
have. Any other members who like
to speak. Okay so just a couple
of comments on my on my end.
it's my understanding that this
bill. Does not exclude skilled.
and trained labor force right
workforce. I mean it it it
doesn't exclude and they could
still bid for these jobs if
they're available after jobs-
it's still it's still there for
them as an opportunity. To be
able to bid on the strongest.
three will to yes this is this
debate in some ways about which
contractors are allowed to bid.
on jobs skilled workforce you
have to have a certain
percentage of your workers- come
out of. Particular meet certain
qualifications service terms of
apprenticeship program- at and
so forth and they qualifies
under the skilled workforce
standard- and the contractors
have to employee tax percentage
depending on the craft. To
qualify to bid on other
contractors are not those
contractors who will qualify. In
the school workforce can still
bid. The be more contract who
were. To bid this work spanned
the pool contractors who can bid
and we know that in. Parts of
the state there might. Very few
contractors who can meet the
skilled workforce standards. So
it doesn't exclude them they're
still included in the ability to
bid for these jobs. Also in
regards to the apprenticeship
programs. When you limited to
justice to this skilled
workforce training still
workforce. You're limiting the
amount the- the number of
apprenticeship programs that
actually qualify to be able to
bid on these jobs to this would
open it up to an array of
apprenticeship. Programs that
aren't- that are actually
approved by the state. Is that
correct. Yes yes okay. So it it
opens up more apprenticeship
programs- in the state to be
able to. To work for this in it
also- opens the ability to have
more opportunity for work for
approximately four hundred
thousand workers that don't
necessarily- belong to a
specific apprenticeship program
but belong to any apprenticeship
program. In the state the mayor
may not. And also when we talk
about workforce standards I was
just asking for clarification on
that whether or not. Fusing it
meant labor code or construction
code- the versus- and I believe
it's labor code labor code is
labor code in california right.
any construction house to meet
those standards- in california
is that is that not correct
labor code is they were cut it
doesn't very. Her apprenticeship
program or no apprenticeship
program or any apprenticeship
program. Is that correct- I see
people nodding their head may
day kerr with the carpenters the
labor code is essentially
designed for public works there
are there are workers there are
other codes for the workforce in
general. But on public works you
have to meet the labor codes
that have to do with prevailing
wages and prices. And if you are
non union contractor you still
have to meet those codes if you
don't have a premises because of
their labor management programs
generally. Use than request
practices from the programs that
have them. If they fulfill that
request then you met your up the
standard for apprentices if they
don't. Meet their request of
third don't send to they don't
have them or in some unions
don't send them to non union
contractors. Then you've gone
through the process of asking
and not receive them so you have
for fill that requirement you
cannot pay anybody
apprenticeship wages after that
because that's also did- the
governed by the labor code
sections. But the wages are
outside of labor code sections.
I think the minimum wage that
applies to all workers on
construction or anywhere
actually. You do not have to
meet any other labor any other
way each and in that for
construction. And that this bill
will specify prevailing wage
that's correct on the floor. And
it's not like it's not a public
works as senator criticizing
this. Asking but it does require
you meet a prevailing wage which
you have to pay. And it does
require if you don't have a
prince's over fifty units you
then have to request apprentices
through the normal process that
you would request princes to
print ship. Part of friendship
standards if you get them you
have to use them and some crafts
will send them some won't. As
you heard and if you don't get
them but you've applied then
you've met. Your requirement but
you cannot pay hey those.
prevailing mean those approach
wages which are lower. So I
don't have to helps and then-
just for the concert code to
everyone whether your in in an
apprenticeship program or not.
the special. Shook his art union
or not construction code is the
same. And inspectors are. On
site. That reviewed the work yes
already and the construction is
quality will be overseeing. That
in making sure that construction
code is being mad at those sites
as correct okay. All right I
think- and I have one last
question for the doctor and
that's with regards to sunset.
date would you be- flexible open
to discussions on perhaps
extending that. That sunset if
necessary. To the reason why we
chose to remove the suns- is we
not five years of experience
with sb thirty five five so
we've- sort of seen the
mechanics of it and I think it
makes sense. Perfect as I
mentioned to you this morning I
would be shocked if the sunset
issue didn't come up. Over the
next. Six months- of our
legislative process were in
negotiations around the bill- so
I'm- I'm sure that'll be an
issue- that will be part of. A
dialogue. And I am. I do one
more I'm one I'm supposed to ask
. And page thirty eight of a-
the bill that the bill yes ma'am
is a supplement about her. Okay
beginning online twenty of the
bill the lang read. Thirty six.
nine twenty one. Hello yeah k.
the language. Not any law for
purposes of this section and for
the development of on property
owned by or at least to the
state. The department of general
services may act in the place of
a locality or local government
at the discretion of the
department. Question is it your
intent with this provision to
grant the state with authority
to enter into a long term lease
with the developer. And then act
in place of the locality or
local government for purposes of
developments. The sisters find
them the reason why that's in
there we- because we've had
enough five years of experience
we've seen some. Of any
complicated bill you're going to
see technical issues out to be
fixed as it's implemented hi and
there was one particular project
if he was in the lake tahoe area
work it was in a city that
qualified for sb thirty five
project. Fully qualified except
because there was a state sign
off that had to happen because
it was in the lake tahoe area.
it became ineligible rescue
thirty five because sb thirty
five currently has no mechanism
and it is a project otherwise
fully qualifies. But the state
has to make some sort of
decision no matter how minor
that decision it simply gets
kicked out of sb thirty five.
and the purpose of this
provision is to say that if
there is not senate state owned
property I know that yeah I
think you have a bill to
streamline on state. Owned
property. The state having to
make it this. Does not x. The
project rescue three five and it
would be the of euro service.
that would be the that would. Be
able to consent so I hope that
makes sense- but that was our
purpose is not in any way to
aggrandize the state it's
expensive cities this is for
situations where- where the
state has some sort of sign up
either because of state owned
land to the something the state
has to do- that. Would currently
kick it out of sb thirty five
entirely. Thank you. Senator
later- any other are common.
okay we have a motion with it by
saturday bob. Senator will hop.
that makes motion to compel. I'm
sorry. Which is to close. You
for enough for me I risk ask and
I don't. Thank you. L. Seven
motion and secretary. The senate
for senate bill for three by sen
wiener the motion to pass and
river the can. Under and finance
senator wiener. Wiener hi the
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sure okay it's good to be
sitting again. We will now and I
want to the can for its as we
want to two. Linkedin's we now
move to item three s. Three for
one vice. Tucker who is says you
make. You may present your bill
thank you for your patience. I
think you could after that chair
and thank you up to prison as
three for one. Housing element
comply for and housing
incentives are important to for
k. To the housing- the housing
it needs. Over these tools
should be at a pro actors assisi
and counties of course are there
sometimes important programs are
private before the housing
developers who have no control
over local government actions
are the applicants. The results
are is that developers to do the
right thing and bring for a
house in a less than friendly
jurisdictions are penalized by
the state. In some cases like
affordable housing sustainable
communities program in eligible
to apply if the cedar county
does not have an approved
housing element. In other cases
a qualifying infill program- the
- but portion of infill
infrastructure program they lose
pro housing points and therefore
not competitive. With sb three
forty one strikes the right
balance of incentivizing local
governments to adopt pro housing
policies while not penalizing
developers who bring a former
housing to low income families
who need for but housing in
these less housing friendly
jurisdiction. The bill plus pro
housing incentives in housing
element compliance rituals only
to state programs which cities
and counties as opposed to
private a former housing
developers. Part the primary
applicants with that I've to
witnesses here today. Marks
stivers and courtney how. Good
afternoon march diverse with
california housing partnership-
as a center said we are very
much in favor of pro housing
incentives and housing I'm a
compliance. But if we want to
change local government behavior
we have to incentivize with them
with things that they want
transportation funds park funds
general fund. The nine them
housing funds when they're
resistant to housing justin able
enables that resistance and so
this bill actually strikes the
right balance and make sure
that- developers who are trying
to build housing in communities
that may be less than friendly.
are able to bring that housing
are able to get state funding to
do so- think about an example
where a community is resistant
of housing they're able to use
something like sb thirty five to
get approval we wouldn't want to
penalize that developer having
done exactly we wanted them to
do which was to bring affordable
housing. To community of to all
communities in the state. So we
are dr- today thank you. Great
good afternoon jerry narron
members of the committee my name
is courtney powell and I'm with
resources for community
development or rcd as were known
in the field. I'm here in
support of sb three forty one a
bill that would more
appropriately align incentives
for housing element compliance
and housing policies. Our city
is a nonprofit affordable
housing developer providing over
twenty five hundred rental homes
throughout the bay area. With an
additional one thousand units in
pre development and
construction. Unfortunately our
ability to access funding for
these people and projects is
currently jeopardized by
regulations that penalize
affordable housing developers.
for the shortcomings of local
jurisdictions. Nonprofit
developers like our cd cannot
apply for funding receiving
award or have funds disbursed by
the state unless the local
government. Where are four wheel
housing developments are located
has met certain housing element
compliance milestones. This
spring three of our developments
will compete for state funding
under the affordable housing and
sustainable communities program
and all three of those
developments are in
jurisdictions without a
complaint housing element. As a
result we will take on it the
significant an undue risk of
preparing extensive applications
and potentially even executing
award agreements. Pending the
result of a local government
process that we have absolutely
no control over. This will have
replication throughout the
capital stack of these
developments as tax credit
investors and private lenders
react to the additional
uncertainty. The threshold
requirement has the unintended
and unfortunate consequence of
adding additional complication
and cost affordable housing
development process. This issue
is not isolated to the three
developments at this moment in
time. Over 75% of our city's pre
development portfolio is located
in one of the many bay area
jurisdictions that do not
currently have a compliant
housing element. And
additionally some jurisdictions
that we work in one have a
complaint housing element for
another year or more. Sb three
forty one would remove the
threshold requirements the state
enforcement of housing element
law does not delay affordable
housing construction. Realigning
this incentive will ensure that
developers like rcd can continue
to build affordable housing for
the low income californians who
desperately need it. Thank you.
thank you very much we will now
go to additional support for
this bill the state your name
organization and the fact of
your support. Marino white with
the california housing
consortium in support. Amberley
leslie legislative advocate with
housing california in support.
anyone else in support. Okay is
there any opposition to this
bill or we have no registered
opposition anyone in opposition
. Okay say none will go to the
phone lines with a moderator
please- call any support or
opposition from public comment.
tell me if you are into border
opposition sb three forty one is
one nine zero. Support or
opposition of s. Eighty three
forty one. One seven zero. We do
have a couple fueling up here to
be just a moment.
we will go to the line thirty
two please go ahead. Aye allen
and schallert and monsanto in
support thank you. Thank you to
be just one moment here we have
two other ones that have queued
up. We will go now to line.
three ninety nine. I number
three ninety nine your line is
open. Good afternoon turn
members thanks for having this
hearing this is dealing dobbins
that's part of the california
coalition for rural happening in
strong support of sb three forty
one. Thank you. Thank you there
are no other thank you at this
time okay thank you very much
we're back to the committee
colleagues any questions or
comments for the author yes
under voice here this seems like
a great bill and I'm happy to
support thank you for thinking
of it. Great any other questions
or comments okay we have a
motion by cineplex marc amending
an aye vote on this bill- would
you like to close respectfully
ask for a vote thank you- will
call the roll. Senate bill three
forty one by senator booker the
motion is to pass and referred
to committee on appropriations
senator wiener wiener hi which-
book. To book hi blix here by
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videa. There are two right there
too hi. Umberg burke I bob. Okay
the good karma as far two zero
will put it call for us and-
thank you senator. Okay we're
now going to skip four for them-
moments we'll go back to that-
later we're gonna go to item
number. Of five. I see center
career- okay we will- three.
okay I am going to present seven
remains of ours still males- and
saw him a couple back over to a
very spiritual book. I'm gonna
I'm gonna present from my-
jessica concerning enough today
. Thank you senator wiener and-
please. When you're ready please
present- file item number four
sp four fifty six on behalf of
senator mitchell park please
okay thank you madam vice chair
I want so I'm extra happy to
present in the store for center
mintmark because I have-
authored another version of this
bill. In the past and I'm
thrilled with senator menjivar
introduced said I'm. Proud to be
a joint authors are still. At
four fifty remove barriers to
housing for our most vulnerable-
young people- young people
exiting the foster care system
exiting the criminal justice
system are experiencing
homelessness- current law
directs the california
interagency council on
homelessness to establish goals
to prevent youth homelessness
and support increasing the
capacity of new and existing
service providers. For example
home to two point no but only
public agencies can be the lead
applicant for these projects sb
four fifty six law expand
program eligibility. For this
funding by allowing community
based organizations that
currently provide transitional
housing or emergency shelter to
be eligible for use only home
key projects we have some
amazing. Nonprofits around
states that are very experienced
and helping you to get off the
streets and helping them
transition. To a better life one
of the most california. Counties
do not have to specific homes
programs- and we need to make
sure that are non profits that
help these young people- are
able to help them exit and
access is funding directly and
not have to rely on. The
possibility that the local
government will try to access.
the funding. If we can help
these young people stabilize
their lives and become pals at a
younger age- we will avoid- them
spiraling into chronic
homelessness and help them get
on a better track can help save
their lives. So. Respectfully
ask for and I don't. Thank you
very much so- wiener. Now let's
hear per from any witnesses in
support in to assist lead
opposite let need support.
perfect thank you at center
wiener and committee members
thank for the opportunity speak
about the importance of sb four
fifty six which both on senator
wiener's leadership to secure
funding for. Housing and
homelessness to address there.
are states most vulnerable youth
and kristen power with the
alliance for children's rights.
the critically important to
invest increase housing
availability to ensure that all
who want to participate in our
extend foster care program can
take full advantage of the
program and unaccompanied
homeless youth. Are safely and
stably housed to prevent the
heightened risk of their
entering homelessness we deeply
appreciate center image of ours
leadership on this issue area
and senator wiener's continuing
support to prioritize developing
safe and stable housing for
youth. Respectfully ask your aye
vote. Good evening himmler's
representing the california
coalition for youth when the co
sponsors of the spell and just
in light of the hour I'll just
keep my remarks start I wanted
to share a story about a young
person but- also for that for
another day and the power of
these housing interventions are
really what's going to change
the trajectories of our young
people's lives. And support them
to be successful in the future
and that's what we want for all
of our young people. And it's a
way for us to really check out
the what away at the unsheltered
numbers of our young people who
are sleeping at the street
california has seventy point 5%
of our young people counted that
are unsheltered. And so this is
a bill to really solve that.
challenge and we really want you
to say yes today and know that
when we invest in our young
people were investing in them
and we believe in them we
believe in our future so
appreciate us. Thank you. Thank
you very much now we're going to
move forward and- openers for
sorry. Stars given or the space-
is this on their behalf of the
california academy of child and
adolescent psychiatry in support
as well as california state
association of psychiatrists in
support. Thanks thank you. And
c. N. N. F. And what children
now in support. Thank you do we
have any other witnesses in
support. Sb four fifty six
hearing room top hundred. C.
nine will now move on to the
witnesses in opposition. Let's
hear from opposition witnesses
in room. Twelve hundred. Scene
nine. That's great thank. You
will now move on to witnesses
waiting to testify idea to
teleconference service. Will be
limiting phone testimony to
twenty minutes for all bills
during this hearing. If you are
in support or opposition. S. B.
u. Four fifty six it is one
seven zero. Let's start with my
number forty five. Your number
three and on behalf of
california court appointed
special advocates association or
cal costs in support of sb four
fifty six thank you. Thank you
next we will go to line number.
three fifty one. He won. Hello
where. Hi my name is brad
richards mobile cooperative
local one eighty I miss support
a fifty twenty one. Thank you
next we'll go to line numbers
thirty two please go ahead. I am
not found open front support
thank you so much. Thank for the
next to a bottom line number for
all. Five okay the only park on
behalf of replace the youth and
the part. Thank you an actual to
line number. Three ninety eight.
mandarin be on behalf of the
california alliance family
services in shock report. Thank
you and we do not have any more
in the queue manager. Thank you
madam moderator. Thank you to
all our support in opposition
witnesses will now bring the
discussion back to our members.
seeing no discussion or
questions from our members-
senator when would you like to
close. On behalf of senator
mandatory surplus from the vote
. We have motion. Follow the
plan thank you senator umberg we
have a motion that I'm secretary
please call the roll. The senate
bill for thirty six for senator
menjivar the motion is to pass
and refer the committee on human
services center wiener. Wiener
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house. Five the vote is five
zero will the role open our and
caps members thank you in work.
check okay were I think centers
. Will be presenting on behalf
of center caballero just on our
way- back so we'll first pause
to eight. The centers for about
three level other bill in the.
nineteen this please call me or
come back. This year's. This is
a rural voters skinner number of
with. Twenty three. She was a
yeah. Okay so- have two bills
vice cover that will present by
centers will start with item
five as b. Thirty so. He. Thank
you of chair and members please
to present sb three seven behalf
of kerr. Sb thirty seven create
a program to per house subsidy
to all adults. It and adults
with disabilities who are x. Or
are at risk of experiencing
homelessness. We know that folks
with who are older car rather
californians who are older or
with disabilities are finding it
in. Creasing lee difficult to
afford the high cost of housing
. And with their fixed incomes
that they live on our in
adequate to cover rising rents.
for extremely low income renters
roughly eight out of ten spend
more than 50% of their monthly
income on rent. People with
disabilities comprise about 46%
of those who experience
homelessness an african american
households are more than five
times as likely to experience
homelessness as compared to.
general population californians
. So while there are programs
such as the home safe program in
the homeless disability program.
there is no comprehensive state
program to provide housing
subsidies for older and disabled
adults who are on fixed incomes.
and housing vouchers such as
section eight and other things
like that often can take years
for applicants to access there's
most of us know they have long
waiting lists. And the only
accommodate fraction of eligible
applicants so what sb thirty
seven does is provide a rent
subsidy targeted to those older
adults and the adults with
disabilities. Who are homeless
or at high risk of falling into
homelessness it establishes the
older adults and adults with
disability housing stability act
within the department of housing
and community development. To
administer an offer competitive
grants to nonprofit
organizations continuum's of
care and other organizations
that can provide the service. In
the grantees will provide
subsidies to help older adults
and adults with disabilities
remain housed with the subsidies
covering the difference between
30% of households. Income in the
units reasonable rent. By
investing in subsea such as this
we can help. These californians
who deserve to be house and with
that I would like to have dr
markel margo shell- who is a
researcher on homelessness and
sharon rappaport from the-
california state policy for the
corporation for supportive
housing be the witnesses. Thank
you senator skinner nice to see
you again and mark because shall
from ucsf. Do we know that
california's homeless population
is aging. In our recent
statewide study of homelessness
almost half of all adults
experiencing homelessness in the
state are now fifty and older.
we know from our research as
adults were fifteen older and
homeless have health problems
much more similar to those of
adults in their seventies and
eighties and approx me half of
them first become homeless after
fifty. These are not folks with
a lot of significant substance
use and mental health problems
but their house is terrible.
very how you to emergency
departments very high use of
hospitalizations prolonged and
avoidable stays in nursing homes
and they die at three and a half
times the rate that they would
be expected had they been house.
california's housing
affordability crisis
disproportionately impacts older
adults they're more likely to be
severely cost burdened and this
disproportionately affects older
black californians as well.
let's say in our longitudinal.
study of older homeless adults.
the good is 80% became re housed
over the course of the study the
bad news is 50% of those who
regained housing became homeless
again. Within about a year of
becoming every getting their
housing the only thing that
prevented that. With subsidies
the folks a subsidy state house
to everyone else just returned
nearly announced returned to the
streets. Homelessness among
older adults is reaching crisis
proportions in their states
subsidies for these individuals
at high risk of homelessness and
those who recently exited
homelessness. Are in evidence
bay based way to prevent this
catastrophe would be happy to
take any questions if you have
them. Good afternoon sharon
members I'm sure in report with
the corporation for supportive
housing a national nonprofit
working to solve homelessness.
we are one of five sponsors of-
sb thirty seven. Sb thirty seven
offerings offers proven
interventions to achieving the
master of the california master
planned for aging goal of
preventing and ending
homelessness among older adults
. As the analysis suggested and
doctor crystal mentioned housing
subsidies are one of the most
successful interventions in
preventing and solving
homelessness. Unlike other state
programs as b. Thirty seven uses
a flexible approach to providing
housing subsidies. They can find
shallow subsidies to allow
people on fixed incomes to
remain house. And a few local
programs follow this model of
funding subsidies- and have
found that as little as two
hundred dollars a month. Can
keep somebody and housing-
safely for the rest of their
lives. It also allows local
grantees are for deep subsidies
for those who are experiencing
homelessness. The most
challenging task of crafting a
prevention program is
identifying people who would
become homeless without the
assistance so as to be thirty
seven uses data from the
california policy lab. To
identify risk factors and
predictors and added in a five
people most likely to fall into
homelessness. In this way as b.
thirty seven is unique as it
dedicates resources to those
truly at risk of homelessness.
three one time funding the
program would serve tens of
thousands of older adults and
people with disability at the
greatest risk of becoming
homeless. The similar to other
state programs finally this
program calls on the state to
connect participants to federal
vouchers. For their making this
program unique. We senator cover
yet as leadership senator
scanners on this bill and we ask
for your aye vote thank you.
digital support. Benji with
inner city law center where skid
row's pro bono legal services
visor and we serve homeless
folks throughout la county- very
third support this bill. Because
the on behalf of western center
on law and poverty in support.
is this on their behalf of
madera county board of
supervisors and support thanks.
rebecca markets on behalf of two
of the bill's co sponsors
leading h. California and
justice in aging thank you.
amberley leslie with housing
california in support of a ski.
thirty seven. March the average
for the california housing
partnership in support thank you
. A brian leahy- aarp volunteer-
on behalf of a three point two
million members in support.
thank you any additional
support- in the room. Thirty
nine is there any opposition to
this bill we have no registered
opposition but anyone here
opposition. Focusing on will
open the phone lines for the
moderator please see if there's
anyone on the line for this bill
. You are in support or
opposition sb thirty seven it's
one then zero. And we will start
with my number one thirty q. My
number one thirty two your line
is open. Sorry we will move on
to the next here and it is my
number four oh six please go
ahead. Mister chairman burke
anderson up top of the arc in
united terrible of the
california coalition a
collaboration excuse me and we
have a support system thank you
. Thank you and we do not have
anymore in the queue. Okay will
report to the committee any
questions or comments colleagues
senator boxer. She added the
information that you shared
senator skinner and also the
testimony today it was all very
persuasive and I'm really
excited about supporting this
bill thank you for the motion is
a motion. For an emotional
center place for any other
questions or comments thirty
nine- you may close on behalf of
senator copyright ask for your
I. Boats terrific we will call
the roll. But I'm recommending
an aye vote. The senate thirty
seven messana where most to pass
referred committee on human
services senator wiener. Wiener
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voters seven zero will put bill
on call for apps members. We're
now going roads were final bill
and speak two two five center
caballero I will also be
presented by centers skinner.
percent thank you mister chair
members pleased to present s. B.
two two five on behalf of
senator cafiero. The bill
creates the community anti
displacement preservation
program for cap within the
department of housing and
community development. In that
program will provide financial
resources and technical capacity
building to community
organizations and local
jurisdictions that which to
acquire funds subsidized housing
from the speculative market
where the residents in that
housing are at risk for
displacement. And then the after
the purchase would preserve it
as affordable rental housing for
homeownership opportunity. A
large majority of low income
californians live in
unsubsidized affordable housing
housing which is privately owned
and currently somewhat
affordable to low income
households but of course over
time may not be or could be sold
in might not be. So due to a
variety of reasons this unserved
diced affordable housing is
rapidly disappearing in response
local communities have begun to
acquire it. And preserve it the
strategy is known as acquisition
rehabilitation. Or act recap.
yeah under. This new pro cap hcd
would admit. A program to
provide grants and loans for
applicants an eligible borrowers
such as nonprofits are local
public entities such as housing
trusts. Can help offset the cost
to acquire and rehabilitate fund
subsidized market rate housing.
s. B. Two two five also creates
a technical assistance program
to support cap borrowers by
providing peer to peer learning
and consultation to assist with
resident engagement in education
property assessment affordable
housing operations and a
spectrum of ownership and
stewardship models. So that the
any- are borrowers under the cap
program can be sus successful-
so this is an innovative
partnership that will help
preserve housing that is
currently affordable but is not
in any kind of program to
preserve its long term put
affordability. And to testify in
support we have just seen
markets from the enterprise
community partners and amber lee
leslie with housing california.
welcome thank you senator
skinner and thank you mister
chair and committee members my
name is justin markets and I'm
the policy director with
enterprise community partners in
our northern california office.
enterprise is a national
nonprofit that develops
technical and capacity building
programs advocates for policies
and delivers the capital to
create and preserve affordable
housing for low income families.
we're proud to co sponsor s. B.
two two five authored by senator
cafiero to create the cap
program. Through enterprises
work both in california and
across the country we've seen
first hand that there's no
silver bullet to addressing our
housing and homelessness crisis
we need a comprehensive approach
and preservation specifically
acquisition we have which is the
focus of this bill. Is an
important tool in the state's
toolbox to promote affordability
prevent displacement and prevent
homelessness. For a communities
across the state local nonprofit
organizations community land
trust cities housing authorities
have been doing this type of
innovative acquisition work over
for over a decade. As a senator
described these organizations
are purchasing rental housing
from the private market were low
income households live today and
preserving it as deed restricted
affordable housing for the long
term. Cap was envisioned and
designed based on the lessons
learned and best practices from
these local efforts the design
of this program is grounded in
this engagement with local
practitioners. As well as
lessons learned from other state
programs at the housing
community development
department. We modeled at this
program off of the success of
each city's golden state
acquisition fund which for over
a decade has provided
acquisition capital for land to
build new housing. Cap is
designed in this model as a
partnership between each city
and nonprofit lenders who can
distribute program funds quickly
and efficiently to the
nonprofits and public sector
partners they need to purchase
these residential buildings at
the speed of the private market
. These nonprofit developers
community based organizations
housing authorities will then
manage these buildings as deed
restricted affordable housing
either rental or homeownership.
we like to say acquisition
preservation is a to bird one
seat approach the program both
prevents displacement and
homelessness for residents
living in these buildings today
while also growing our supply of
deed restricted affordable homes
for decades to come. It is a
fast and efficient strategy
would deals closing in months
rather than years and also often
has cost efficiency is relative
to new construction. We hear
from our local partners
regularly about the impact of
their acquisition rehab efforts
the families were able to stay
in their communities close to
jobs and schools. But we also
hear about the missed
opportunities the community
minded landlord for example
who's approaching retirement and
wants to ensure the stability of
their tenants. And sell to a non
profit organization rather than
institutional investor. But
there's not currently a state
program for these organizations
to utilize in these instances.
sb two to five in cap were
designed to fill this gap and we
respectfully urge your aye vote
to support continuing to move
this bill forward and this
conversation forward this year
happy to answer any questions
thank you. Correct thank you
chair wiener members of the
committee my name is amber lee
leslie I'm a legislative
advocate with housing
california. One of the proud co
sponsors of this bill. Housing
california we're statewide
advocacy organization that
brings together a diverse multi
sector network to prevent and
end homelessness increase the
supply of safe. Stable
affordable housing options and
reverse the legacy of racial and
economic injustice. Published
our work by building power among
the people most impacted by the
housing and justice- and
advocating for statewide policy
solutions. So the idea before
you today the cap program I was
born from the work of the stable
homes california coalition of
which are organizations are part
in a press community partners
and housing california. To
create housing policy solutions
that responded to the economic
strains placed upon vulnerable
communities at the height of the
pandemic. Since twenty twenty
our coalition of cap supporters
has grown to include community
development corporations.
community land trusts nonprofit
housing developers intent
advocacy groups and so far
ninety five organizations have
endorsed the cap program.
capitalizes a strategy for
growing california's housing
stock that was will rise by
project home key. But cap is
unique because it provides
critical resources to protect
existing housing units without
long term affordability
covenants from being lost to the
speculative housing market- I
just wanna share a bit of data
that. Is going to be cut
forthcoming in a report from-
one of the state homes coalition
members a california housing
partnership. The estimate that
over a hundred and twenty
thousand multi family know what
properties lost affordability in
just the last two years since we
as a coalition have been working
on this policy. And most of
those have been in southern
california in the bay area and
fresno and san diego and also
here in sacramento. So the
legislature must continue to
invest in programs that keep for
housing- and create more
housing. A couple keep low
income californians in their
homes and increase the supply of
affordable housing more swiftly
than the- a is your swiftly and
effectively than the car. The
new production therefore we
respectfully urge I thought
thank you for indulging at. Five
march there's the california
housing partnership in support
of this innovative approach to
keep affordable what we already
have thank you. But the merging
with an early intercity
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because the on behalf of western
center on law and poverty in
support. Eddie carmona camping's
rectorate people california in
strong support of s. B. Two two
five. Building report with the
corporation for supportive
housing in strong support. Good
evening turn members on this for
almost on the of a public
advocates as co sponsors of sb
two to five in strong support.
thank you. Good afternoon. Mr
chairman members of the
philadelphia cranks here on
behalf of silicon valley at home
action fund in strong support.
abram deals of the nonprofit
housing association or the
californians support. Your
members michael getting here on
behalf of us for habitat for
california and also united way
of los angeles in support thank
you. Thank you. Any other-
support. Okay three nine will
get opposition we've never
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thank you. Thank you and we do
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questions or comments about this
bill. Senate race here yes all
move motion by center books for-
any else- greased- yes and
although I just have a question
so. With this bill- known as
vehicles here we have a to pass
on the cost of effective way to
increase supply of affordable
homes in california so we're
doing is we're taking. What
would be in regular housing.
homes and placing them in this
category the becomes affordable
sustain christmas supply right
it's just. This is shifting from
one. One area to another area or
I can answer- hi it would take
it out of the speculative
markets so in other words it is
housing now and I'm sure all of
us know of some properties in
our areas where. For whatever
reason the owners have kept them
affordable either there's
sometimes its absentee owner
sometimes it's an owner with
lots of properties and they just
you know they- have- are. But
when they sell. Ab it- then is-
brought up to a market level and
the people who are living there
can no longer afford so what
this would do is create a
program to help support those
entities that want to purchase
these type of properties and
already in my district we have a
number of community land trusts
that have been doing this for
some time. And so we have a
number of properties that were
that are now permanently
affordable or thirty five year
you know deed restricted in
such. That weird then the
tenants are- you know are able
to afford it no have confidence
that they're going to be able to
afford it for long term. So it's
yes it is it is not increase
supply however it keeps certain
housing that otherwise wouldn't
be affordable. But their
portable because we're
subsidizing not necessarily no.
it's it- it it's more that we
are supporting the- those
entities that want to try to
purchase this type of program.
this type of a building there
might be a- armed. I'm trying to
understand the concepts it would
initially help. The so if I'm
that land trust for example the
way they can programs
constructed. That if it succeeds
in is approved and signed into
law. That there might be grants
or loans to that land trusts for
example or another entity that
is trying to buy that it's not
an ongoing subsidy it's not
something that. Continues to be
subsidized overtime it's more de
initial helps and do the initial
acquisition were the initial
rehab. So the grants to make it
so that it becomes affordable it
may not it it makes it in in
naples the entities trying to
purchase it to purchase it or re
habit. Then the entity itself
does. The deed restriction it
keeps affordable. Okay thank you
. But if. Any other questions or
comments. Okay see now we have a
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