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I'd like to ask the Associate Pastor Maurice Mason with new creation Bible Church and Saint Leonard to come forward for invocation.

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Good morning and thank you all for the invitation to come, amen. Let us pray. Dear eternal God, Father Lord, as you sit high and look low, Lord God, you know the state of affairs, Lord God in our nation, Lord God. Lord, as you, Lord God, have.

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called men, Lord God, should to govern, Lord God.

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Father, I do pray, Lord God, for those, Lord God, who you have placed, Lord God, over this

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county, Lord God, over this nation, over this country, Lord God.

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Father, Lord God, I pray for unity in the body, Lord God, in the nation, Lord God.

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Lord, for you said in your word, Lord, that Lord, how's the body cannot stand?

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So God, I do thank you, Lord, for this opportunity, Lord God.

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For your word tells us, Lord, to pray for all men and those in authority, Lord God.

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Lord, it doesn't matter.

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Their name, it doesn't matter where they from, Lord God.

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But it's that you place them, Lord God, where they are, Lord God.

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I pray, Lord God, that we would humble ourselves and pray and seek your face and

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Lord, for those of us who know you that we would turn from our wicked ways, so you would hear from heaven

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for give our sins and heal this land, Lord God.

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You know everything that's going on in the county, Lord God, but God, if we seek you, Lord

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God, you are the one who can change it, Lord God, you will set things in order, and I pray for

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Each of these commissioners, Lord God, all of the representatives, Lord God, Lord everyone

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that's here, Lord God, that we would seek you, Lord God.

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Because you're able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we could ask to think according

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to the power of that work within us, Lord God.

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Father, keep us humble, Lord God.

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Keep your people the church, Lord God.

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For ever looking unto you and your Son, Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, Lord God.

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Now, Father, whatever is done, Lord God,

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Lord may aglorify you, Lord God, not bring shame to your name, Lord God.

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Lord, may we be a people of peace and unity, Lord God.

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Lord, we would show others the way, Lord God.

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Lord, I thank you for this, and I pray this,

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in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen.

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Thank you for the opportunity.

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Good morning, Mr. Hans Commissioner.

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Hans, we basically grew up together.

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But yes, I'm with new creation Bible Church.

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We're at 50, 50, 50 St. Leonard Road in St.

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Leonard Merrill and there at the auction house. Many people may know the auction house where

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Bible teaching ministry we do we love to do outreach and looking indeed for more opportunities

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in the county to do outreach to the homeless and we see the population growing there. That's

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a focus we need to get a hold of in prayer first and then work along with the commissioners and

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agencies in the county to better our communities and safeguard our communities.

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But we do indeed have an upcoming event on September 20th, friends and family day, but

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you don't have to wait until then.

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We're always open on Sundays, 9.30 a.m. we have SOS, which is study of scripture.

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11 a.m. we have our regular service on Friday nights.

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We have prayer service at 7 o'clock.

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You're welcome to come by or you're welcome to submit prayer requests to us.

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We love to pray.

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That's what the Word of God calls us to do.

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So if you felt led to, please do so, but drop by any time.

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Just because I'm dressed in a suit, we're blue jeans and tennis shoes.

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I just let you know that.

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Amen.

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So we really don't have any excuse to not to come by.

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of there's anything, anything that we can do.

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As a even as a small ministry,

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we may be small in numbers, but we walk and operate in the...

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I will of God. And so that's how we are able to accomplish the things that God is calling us to. So again, thank

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you for the opportunity. Indeed, it is a pleasure to make your acquaintance if I had not major

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acquaintance in person. I look forward to in the future. Amen. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, ma'am.

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Thanks, ma'am.

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Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Provely, agenda.

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Mr. President, I move that we approve and adopt the agenda, estimate it.

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So, if a motion is second, we approve and adopt the agenda, submit as any changes or amendments

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to the agenda.

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Hearing none.

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All those in favor say aye.

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The pose.

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Motion carries.

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It takes us to public service announcements.

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Open meetings compliance board opinion.

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The Maryland Open meetings compliance board,

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on August 10th in response to a file complaint.

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Facilent to Maryland Code 3-211 of the Open Meetings Act, the following summary is provided.

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On August 10th, 2026, the Open Meetings Act compliance board issued an opinion advising that

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Calvary County was not in compliance with the Open Meetings Act requirements for public

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disclosures before and after meeting in closed sessions.

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with respect to the county's written closing statements from March 11, 18 and August 26, 2025.

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Excuse me, can you please pull the mic up closer? It's hard to recognize.

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All right.

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On August 10, 2026, the open meetings compliance board issued an opinion advising the

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decovered county was not compliance with the open meetings act requirements for public

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disclosures before and after meeting and closed sessions. With respect to the county's written closing statements from March 11, 18

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In August 26, 2025, the compliance board found that the county aired by only completing part of the required closing statement prior to intervening in closed session.

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Additionally, the compliance board found that the county aired by not providing enough of a description of the topics to be discussed in the reasons for discussing those topics in closed session.

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The closed session summaries from May 13, 2025 and April 28, 2026 did not present enough of a

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description to satisfy the Open Meetings Act.

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Additionally, the summaries should have included more detail about the reasons for having

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the meetings in closed session.

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Finally, the compliance board concluded that the county's website does not violate the Act.

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The county takes its obligations under the Open Meetings Act seriously, has already implemented

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changes and will continue to do so as necessary.

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The Maryland Open Meetings Compliance Board also rendered an opinion on August 17th in response

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to a separate file complaint.

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pursuant to Maryland Code 3-2-11 of the Open Meetings Act, the following summary is provided.

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On August 17th, 2026, the Open Meetings Compliance issued an opinion advising that

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government was not in compliance with the Open Meetings Act requirements for public disclosures

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before and after meeting in closed session.

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With respect to the county's written closing statements for August 27, 2024, the compliance

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board found that the county aired by only completing part of the required closing statement

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prior to convening in closed session or identify why it wanted to discuss it in closed

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session.

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Similarly, the closed session summary of the August 27th, 2024 meeting did not present

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enough of a description to satisfy the open meetings act, and the closed session summary needed

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to provide more detail.

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The open meetings compliance board found that it did not have the authority to address

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whether ratification of the President's signature at the August 27th.

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Those session was lawful and that there was no violation with respect to the scope of the discussion in that closed session.

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Additionally, the compliance board found that the county did not violate the act when a boat was conducted at the April 7th, 2026 work session.

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The county takes its obligations under the Open Meetings Act seriously, has already implemented changes, and will continue to do so as necessary.

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We would also like to notify the public that there is one additional over-meeting at

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complaint that the compliance board is currently reviewing.

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The board anticipates receiving an opinion soon, we will continue to keep the public informed

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as that opinion is passed down.

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Maryland Association of Countries, MECO, several staff members as well as commissioners attended

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summer MECO last week.

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We had the opportunity to meet with several members of the Governor's Cabinet, including the Secretaries of Maryland Department of Transportation and Commerce.

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We were also able to meet with the Governor in the Comptroller to discuss the future of Maryland financial status.

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Thank you to Maryland Association of Counties for another productive summer conference.

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Back to school. Calvary County Public School students returned to classes Tuesday, August 25, followed by pre-cinder garden and kindergarten students later that week.

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Be aware, the school buses will soon be back on the roads in Calvary County, be prepared to slow down and stop for students, being picked up and dropped off.

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Clear the shelters, 2026 promotion, the Lendale Kelly Animal Shelter invites residents to adopt a pet during the month-long clear the shelters, 2026 adoption event, which runs through Saturday August 29.

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During this campaign, the Shelter will waive adoption fees for all animals, animals of all ages are available for adoption, including dogs, cats, rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters, roosters, pigs, and more.

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The shelter recently had a surge of animals for intake, and staff is currently updating their website to reflect many animals available for adoption.

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Those interested in adopting our encourage to schedule an appointment by calling 14, 535-7387.

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Shelter hours are Tuesday through Saturday, 10am to 4pm.

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Parks and Recreation launches new amenity dashboard, Parks and Recreation has launched a new online amenity status dashboard.

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This new dashboard was developed in-house by technology services and collaboration with Parks and Recreation and provides real-time information on athletic fields and outdoor pools affected by weather and other conditions.

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Users can quickly check the status of fields and pools from a computer, tablet or smartphone.

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Residents are encouraged to book market dashboard and use it as their primary source for athletic field and outdoor pool status information.

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As Facebook, we'll no longer be used to communicate field and pool closers.

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View the new dashboard at www.caverkonymd.gov, CCPRD, Asport.

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The weather hotline at 410-535-1600, extension 2640, will remain available for athletic field updates.

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Storm preparation.

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Coward has experienced strong storms and recent weeks.

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Residents are encouraged to download the Catholic Prepare mobile app, which provides residents, businesses and visitors access to emergency alerts, and preparedness guidance.

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The app includes several key features, emergency checklists, push notifications from emergency management, flood and damage reporting tools, interactive map with locations of interest.

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The app is free for Apple and Android devices through the Apple App Store or Google Play.

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Property Tax Bill update.

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County Treasury Mended Alena has advised that property tax bills are now available online

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at www.cabricountymd.gov slash slash real property tax.

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Printed bills are currently being mailed.

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Residents can make payments online by mail and in person at the Treasury's office,

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the

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County administration building for questions call 405 through 5,600 extension 20,630.

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The North Beach Volunteer Fire Department's 100-year celebration carnival starts Tuesday, August

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18, running through Saturday, August 22.

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The carnival opens at 6 p.m. each night and is located at 8536 Bayside Road in Chesapeake

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Beach.

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The 15th Annual Volunteer Appreciation Day is scheduled for Saturday, August 29th from

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before at the Coward County Fairgrounds. All Coward County volunteer fire rescue

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the MS volunteers and their immediate family members are invited to attend. This

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event is an opportunity to celebrate the incredible volunteers and their families

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who help make our community safer and stronger every day.

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That takes us to appointments.

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Coward County Commission for Women. Good morning.

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Good morning. Good morning.

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I'm Alicia Yves constituent services specialist. I am here today with just one round of appointments for the Calvert County Commission for women.

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Stop recommends that you appoint Veronica Burnett, Mary Brown, Christy Jones, Josephine Caprarro, Ashley Adoko and Tracy Lloyd following this action. No vacancies would remain on the commission.

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Mr. President, I move that the B.O.C.C. appoint the following individuals to the

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Kaverkana Commission for Women, Veronica Burnett, Mary Bowen, Brown, Christy Jones,

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Josephine Cabrero, Ashley Adabco, and Tracy Lord.

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So I have a motion of second of B.O.C.C. appoint the following individuals to Kaverkana

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Commission for Women, Brown, Cabrana, Mary Brown, Christy Jones, Josephine Cabrero,

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Ashley.co and Tracy Lourdes, I need to discuss one.

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And it is us hearing none all of us at their side. The pose, motion carries. That takes us to an award. Bob

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Brandham, Director of Parks and Recreation.

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It's the Thurmond Graham Memorial Scholarship Educational

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Award Program. Thank you. I'm late for your question. Thank you.

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Good morning, Mr. Bob Brandham, Director of Parks and Recreation. Good morning. Good morning.

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My name is Emily Roe. So, in the interest of your time, I'm just going to read the conclusion

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recommendation for the memo that I wrote and then a brief portion of the letter that was sent to Emily.

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The Department of Parks and Recreation requests that the Board of County Commissioners recognize Emily Rowe,

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representing the first district, and Jaden Eversal, Jaden couldn't be here today,

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representing the second district as recipients of the Thurmin Graham Memorial Scholarship Award,

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no qualified applicants were received from the third district.

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Part of the memo that we sent to Emily when she was selected to receive the Parks and Recreation Thurmin Grace Scholarship Award

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read this such. Your commitment to academic excellence combined with your passion for

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economics has qualified you for this award. The scholarship committee recognized your exceptional

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talents, potential, and the positive impact that you have demonstrated both in your academic

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pursuits and your community involvement, especially your committed membership to the

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environmental team. Receiving this scholarship not only acknowledges your past achievements,

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but also serves as a testament to your capacity to make a significant contribution in your chosen

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field. As you embark on this next chapter of the educational journey, we encourage you to

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make the most of the scholarship and embrace every opportunity it presents both academically

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and beyond the classroom. So Emily's joining us to receive the Thurmin Graham Memorial

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Scholarship today.

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Well, congratulations, Emily. And where are you going to go to school, anyone talk about?

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I will be attending the University of Maryland this fall and I'll be studying economics.

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I'm very excited.

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right, it takes us to our consent agenda, several items on the consent agenda.

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Item number one, Office of the County Attorney Southern Coward, Land Trust, requests for tax credits for conservation

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lot.

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Item number two, Department of Public Safety, Federal Episcopal Year, 2026 State, Homeland Security,

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Grant, Program Application, Item number three, Department of Public Works, County Radio

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Dedication Policy.

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Item number four, Calvary County Sheriff's Office of Physical Year 2027, Police Recruitment

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retention grant program, and number five Department of Community Resources, Budget Amendment

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for Coward Library, State Aid, and Creason Certification, item number six, off to the

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County Administrator, to lease an operating agreement for Amoree Sculpture Garden in

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Arts Center, and item number seven, Department of Parks and Recreation, Landon, and Permission

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Letter from Maryland State Arts Council, Public Art Grant.

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Go to the motion.

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I move that the board of County Commission is approved and adopt the consent agenda items.

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Second.

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So motion and second it board County Commission is approved and adopt the consent agenda items.

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Is there any discussion on any of these?

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Hearing none all those of the papers say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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Motion carries.

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Thanks to the public hearing.

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First public hearing is it 10 30?

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No.

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Okay.

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Should we go to new business item one?

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So work. Department of Planning and Planning and Planning, purchase and retirement fund and

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transfer of old development rights reserved for fiscal year 2027.

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Mr. Franklin.

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Good morning. Good morning. I have a recusal. I need to read with this as well before we get into it. Commissioner Cox Hans and Ireland would normally have to recuse themselves from considering a voting when items related to TDRs, but doing so with either board without a form and unable to perform business on issues related to TDRs.

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The Acting County Attorney has advised that is permissible for said commissioner to consider a vote on TDR related business so that the board does not lose a quorum and the county's business may continue

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Recusal forms will be noted according

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Okay, good answer

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Good morning commissioner Jason Bringley director of planning and zoning with me is Jennifer David planner two

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I'm going to turn it over to Jennifer to walk through this item

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Good morning commissioner. I'm going to go ahead and read the men the memo since there is no formal presentation

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So the background for this item is that the Board of County Commissioners established the purchase and retirement or par fund in 1992 to purchase retire and permanently remove transferable development rights which are called TDRs from the development rights market thereby protecting additional farmland acres from development.

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The TDR Reserve is a county managed program that facilitates TDR sales between farmers and developers and acts as a revolving fund.

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Discussion.

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There is $12,950,067 available for part-fund purchases and $980,2,425 available for the TDR Reserve in the budget for fiscal year 2027.

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The Agricultural Land Preservation Fund is supported by $1.70 of each $5 collected in

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Recordation Taxes to support Land Preservation in Calvary County.

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The Power Fund receives General Fund's support from Intergovernmental Revenue Generated

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by the State Agricultural Transfer Tax and the Recordation Tax revenue dedicated to

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the Land Preservation Fund.

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The amount available for transfer is dependent on actual revenues received.

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The agricultural preservation and advisory board reviewed land prices and various programs

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and recommends a purchase price of $6,500 per TDR for the fiscal year 2027 par cycle.

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The Agricultural Preservation Advisory Board also recommends that it difference in the purchase price between the power program and the TDR Reserve be considered to offer a premium for the retirement of TDRs.

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The Agricultural Preservation Advisory Board assessed TDR and land values when establishing the recommended price.

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Private market sales of TDRs in the county program averaged $4,755 per TDR in calendar year 2025,

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and $5,459 in 2026 to date.

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The agricultural preservation advisory board continues to support the need to fairly compensate participants for the value of land they have protected,

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while seeking to reach as many applicants as possible and utilize the available funding to its maximum potential.

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The maximum fiscal impact is 13 million $932,562 in the fiscal year 2027 budget.

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Staff recommends the VACC consider the agricultural preservation advisory boards recommended purchase price for both programs

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and direct staff to open the part cycle to receive applications and to continue with the TDR reserve program.

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And we have coordinated this effort with the Finance and Budget Office.

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Can I answer any questions?

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I have any questions?

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No, I'm Mr. President.

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Is the Ag Board pretty consistent with this as well?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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In terms of the price or in terms of the price?

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Yes.

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Yes, there is a letter that has been attached, that has requested that the Agboard feels the

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modest increase in the power prices fair after reviewing recent private market TDR sales

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and comparing land values in Calvary County with other active land preservation programs.

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And so they have recommended that the fair market value for the price of a TDR is $6500 based on what they have reviewed.

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Mr. President, I've moved the Board of County Commission to set the purchase price,

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recommended by the AP.

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AB of $6,500 per TDR for both the par and reserve programs and direct staff to open the par cycle

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to receive applications and continue with the TDR reserve program.

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So, I have a motion and second board countermeasures. That's the purpose. I recommend by the

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APA of $6,500 per TDR for both the PAR and reserve programs and direct staff to open the PAR

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cycle to receive applications and continue with the TDR reserve program is during discussion on this.

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Hearing none all those of the paper say aye.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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is there a body here for that?

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Yes. Okay. Good.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, listeners.

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Mary Andy's deputy director of budget.

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I'm going to go ahead and read the memo of this as standard.

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We do this every year.

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Okay. The background following adoption of the

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Cover County's fiscal year, 2027 budget.

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The Maryland State Department of Education requires the Board of

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County Commissioners to execute the annual Board of

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Education Budget Certification Statement.

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Submission of the Executive Certification is a

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required component of the Maryland State Department

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of Education's Annual Budget Reporting Process,

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and serves as the county's official confirmation

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of its adopted education funding level.

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The FY27 Annual Budget Certification Statement

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requests certification of a recurring local appropriation

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of $169,794,696 per current expense to gather with the related FY27 annual budget submission

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to the Maryland State Department of Education. This submission provides the detailed revenue,

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expenditure, staffing, school construction, debt service, and other schedule supporting the

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169,794,696 in appropriations. The FY27 Board of Education statement reflects the appropriation

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approved by the Board of County Commissioners through adoption of the fiscal 2027 budget.

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The Board President's signature is required to certify the adopted appropriation and authorize

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submission of the certification to the Maryland State Department of Education.

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There is no additional fiscal impact.

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The certification and reflects funding previously approved as part of the adopted budget.

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The Department of Finance and Budget requests that the Board of County Commissioners

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review and if appropriate, authorize the Board President to sign the 27-Cowder County, I'm

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sorry, fiscal year 27, Cower County Public Schools Annual Budget Certification Statement

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for submission to the Maryland State Department of Education, certifying the FY27 recurring

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local current expense appropriation, as reflected in the annual budget certification statement.

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Do you have any questions for me?

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I move that the Board of County Commissioners authorized the Board President to sign FY

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2027 Calvary County Public Schools Annual Budget Certification Statement for submission to

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the Maryland Department of Education.

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Second. So I have a motion and a second in the Board of

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County Commission's authorised the Board President to sign FY-2027

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to our County Public Schools annual budget certification statement

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for submission to Maryland's Department of Education.

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I'm just going to discuss it on this.

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Here you know, all those of favor say aye.

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Aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion carries. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you. So we're good to go on time now.

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Here, one minute to pro-reserve.

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We might have to take a one minute basis.

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All right, takes 10-30.

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So first item is public hearing, Department of Finance and Budget,

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2026, General Obligation, Bonseau, and Resolution.

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Good morning.

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Again, Mary and these Deputy Director of Budget.

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Good morning to see you in the given Deputy County, Ms. Rader.

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There are two public hearings scheduled for today. All hearings were duly advertised and the certificate of publication is made part of the record for each hearing.

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Citizens were invited to provide comment on any or all of the hearings after each presentation has included.

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Both hearings may have a will have a separate comment period following their brief presentation.

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Anyone here in person must sign in on this on the sheet next to the attorney to speak.

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The Department of Finance and Budget is conducting a public hearing on the upcoming

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Bond sale for previously approved capital projects appropriations.

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During the FY-2024 through FY-2026 cycle, attending virtually is

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and stop, stop, Dickerson and Ann Alhorve.

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Jen, if you could, on my, on your,

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your mic please, for introductions.

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Thank you, sorry.

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I could have net first, then didn't have the ability.

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Good morning commissioners.

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Thank you for having me today.

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My name is Jennifer Dierick,

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Senate and I am a Senior Vice President

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with Davenporting Company, the County's Financial Advisor.

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Davenport has served as the County's Financial Advisor

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for over 20 years.

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During this time, we've assisted the County

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with multiple successful bonds sales, as well as helping the county achieve its triple AAA ratings,

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which have had a positive impact on the competitive borrowing rates the county has achieved

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on these bond issuances. As Miss Andy's mentioned, the county is currently prepared to

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go to market to issue bonds to fund various capital projects related to general government,

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solid ways and water and sewer funds. These projects have been included in the county's annual

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capital improvement plans, which are adopted annually along with the budget.

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Issuing debt is a common practice for local governments in Maryland and across the U.S. with

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a number of Maryland counties issuing debt on an annual basis.

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Issuing debt to fund capital projects is an important financing option for local governments.

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This option allows a government like the county to preserve its liquidity, helping the

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government to maintain its financial flexibility in case of any one-time, a future one-time

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rest.

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If liquidity is preserved, these reserves can continue to earn interest that can help offset the debt service costs.

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These reserves are also important in maintaining the county's AAA ratings.

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Utilizing debt also allows for the local government to benefit from intergenerational equity,

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which allows a government to match the repayment of debt with the useful lives of the assets that are being financed,

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which means that the future users of these capital investments help to pay for what they

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will utilize. Just to give some context, the last, Bonsale, the county had was in December

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23. All those three years ago since that time, the county has retired approximately 46 million

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in outstanding bond principle with another almost 14 million in principle to be retired in fiscal

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27 before debt service on the 26 spawns would begin and even with the projected 26 bond issuance

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the county is projected to remain well below it's 9.5% debt service to reserve to revenues

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policy and they're at the county that's estimated to be at 5.2% as of fiscal 27. The county's

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9.5% debt service to revenue policy is below those policies of like-rated peers, which tend

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to have a 10% policy, which is the industry standard.

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This more restrictive policy that the county has adopted ensures that the county's debt

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profile remains affordable, compared to other AAA-rated peers, and the county's debt ratios

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as calculated by Moody's are the lowest among the AAA peers providing flexibility for the

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six bonds without any anticipated reading impact.

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So with that, I think I'm going to turn it over to Anna to introduce herself and provide some additional comments.

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Hi.

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My name is Anna Horve, and I'm a partner at McGuire Woods.

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We serve as bond council to the county, and we fill that role for close to 20 years for the sure section.

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Just to some background, some of the projects that are included in this list have been noted.

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and other instances such as the realignment resolutions and the forward funding resolutions that

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have been presented previously to this body. Just for the sake of clarity to understand why

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they're being included as projects now is in part because of the tax rules. So one of our jobs

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this bond council is to make sure that we're able to give a clean opinion as to the tactics.

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And in order for us to do that, we have to make sure that those projects are right for inclusion on the project list, which for us means that you're going to need spend-down exemptions, I'm sorry, exceptions for the project at different intervals of time.

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Most notably at 18 months, 24 months and 36 months following the issuance of the bonds.

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So with that in mind, in order for a project to be funded as a part of this particular bond issuance,

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we need to have some certainty that a portion of those funds will be used to pay for the project within 1824 and 36 months for a completion of that project.

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So some of these projects haven't been right for inclusion yet, but now that we know with more certainty as to when these projects will actually go live with shovels in the ground, we're able to include them as a part of the scope of the projects that will be included for this particular issuance.

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So it's been good policy on the side of the finance department to make sure that you're meeting those restrictions.

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It helps avoid unnecessary payments to the federal government, should there be any issues with the tax exempt status and ensures good stewardship of the county's funds in that way.

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If you have any questions, I think Mary is there to help and she's going to read a memo now regarding the financing.

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Thank you, Anna. Mary, may I interrupt you before you read the memo.

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We have such a large amount of citizens in our audience today.

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This doesn't mean anything to them.

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When you are finished with the memo, would you, or Steven, or both of you,

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please put in layments terms what we're doing here.

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The issuance of $84 million is very, very large.

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What is that going to be used for?

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talk a little bit about triple a bond rating and what we do to maintain that.

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So if you could put it in layments terms once we get through this, so we can all understand.

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Thank you.

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So background, the county is planning to issue new bonds in an amount up to $84 million.

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The county has not issued bonds since December of 2023.

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This sale encompasses all financing needs through fiscal year 2026.

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The use is, amount of general fund issuance is $48,987,500.

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The amount of general fund issuance costs are approximately 500,000,

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making the total issuance for the general fund $49,487,500.

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The amount of the enterprise fund issuance is approximately 31,500,000.

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The amount of the enterprise fund issuance cost is approximately 300,000.

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So the total issuance for the enterprise fund is 31,800,000.

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Making for the total bond issuance of approximately 81,000,

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270, I'm sorry, 81,000, 287,500.

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dollars. Departments within the Calvary County Government will be participating in credit rating

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calls with all three reporting agencies which will occur on September 3rd, 2026. A report will

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be released on September 15 by the agencies with the results. Once the sale occurs, the Department

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of Finance and Budget will return with the terms of the sale to supplement the resolution.

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The resolution authorizes up to 84 million of borrowing to finance the capital projects identified in the resolution, establishes the terms and competitive sale process for the bonds, pledges the county's full faith and credit for repayment, and authorizes the appropriate county officials to take the actions necessary to complete the sale.

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The current project schedule anticipates approximately 81.3 million upon proceeds including issuance costs.

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The county's debt will increase by approximately 81 million 278,500 dollars.

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The estimated increase to debt service for the general and enterprise fund would be 4,305,875 dollars,

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and $3,1111,912, respectively.

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The Department of Finance and Budget

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request that the Board of County Commissioners

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reviewed and if appropriate, approve, adopt,

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and enact the resolution pertaining to the issuance

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and sale of the bonds, disbursement of proceeds,

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and levy of taxes and authorize the counting to proceed to market with it.

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A bit of 2020, 26. General obligation bond to finance the approved capital program. Do you have any questions or would you prefer me?

439
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:14,760
I could just give the background that Commissioner Grasso.

440
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:25,840
Stephen, may interrupt you for a moment please, and it would probably be helpful to define a general fund and an enterprise fund for the public.

441
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:34,080
Okay. So when we issue bonds, and we'll get into definitions a little bit later, but I just

442
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,040
want to talk in the broader concept. Again, this is Steve McGiven, Deputy County Administrator.

443
00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:45,540
Bonds are issued for your key infrastructure assets for the county government. These are the assets that

444
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:53,420
make the quality of life possible for your citizens. These are not cheap assets. These are your roads,

445
00:40:53,420 --> 00:41:02,680
bridges, your large equipment, a large equipment that public works uses. These are the multi-generational

446
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:09,640
assets that are going to live many of us because of the nature of the kind of assets that they are.

447
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,400
So that's why they have a high price tag on it. You have an 84 million dollar issuance here.

448
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:29,300
We bear in mind that we have not issued since 2023, so therefore there is a catch-up component to this particular issue and it runs all the way through fiscal year 26.

449
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:34,960
So it's catching up with all the past projects.

450
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:42,220
So we do reimburse the county government through the debt from the proceeds that are issued.

451
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:48,360
We reimburse the general fund because it for funds, certain things to make sure that

452
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:54,480
the projects are ongoing and the completion of these projects will occur in a timely manner.

453
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,580
Mary, do you just want to touch on the enterprise and the general fund differences?

454
00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:00,500
Absolutely.

455
00:42:01,100 --> 00:42:04,080
So the general fund is, you know, everyday services, right?

456
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:10,700
general government, public safety, technology services, community resources, anything that

457
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:16,020
tax dollars or income tax dollars used to pay for services for the community.

458
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,460
The enterprise fund is kept separately because it is paid for directly by the residents

459
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:22,860
for those services.

460
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,380
It is split into two funds, one is for water and sewer and the second is for solid waste.

461
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:33,500
for this particular sale, there's only one project for solid waste.

462
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,380
I'm sorry, I don't have the list with me, but it is listed in the resolution,

463
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,760
and the rest are for water and sewer.

464
00:42:43,350 --> 00:42:48,570
So we'll entertain any questions at this point, and then I think you have the-

465
00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:50,250
Yeah, and then we'll move to public comment.

466
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:52,150
I have a question.

467
00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:55,050
You say there's a catch-up component,

468
00:42:55,050 --> 00:43:01,930
And I would, that is, for CIP projects that are out there that we're trying to finish off,

469
00:43:02,010 --> 00:43:04,450
is that what this catch up component is?

470
00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:06,010
Yes.

471
00:43:06,010 --> 00:43:06,130
Yes.

472
00:43:06,210 --> 00:43:07,190
It's part of your month.

473
00:43:08,370 --> 00:43:09,130
So yes.

474
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:16,110
So, you know, projects are appropriated in the fiscal year, the departments receive approval

475
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:19,990
from the board, you know, a million dollars for a project day.

476
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:26,090
We work with the departments to figure out our reimbursement schedule if it is going to

477
00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:26,990
be debt funded.

478
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:33,390
So, you know, we take some time to try to figure out exactly when are they going to start,

479
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:41,430
as Anna mentioned, because there is a tax-exense situation to consider before we sell the bonds.

480
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:44,610
So, did that answer your question?

481
00:43:44,610 --> 00:43:46,510
So that's a catch-up component.

482
00:43:47,170 --> 00:43:48,930
This is 84 million dollars.

483
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:51,930
What projects are we looking to accomplish

484
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:54,590
with this money with this bond sale?

485
00:43:56,110 --> 00:43:58,830
So the projects specifics, like I said,

486
00:43:59,490 --> 00:44:00,790
are listed in the resolution.

487
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:04,550
As far as a highlight of the projects,

488
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:07,050
I probably would want to lean on Danielle Russell,

489
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:10,470
capital projects manager, who is in the audience.

490
00:44:12,420 --> 00:44:14,480
Do we have a list for the public?

491
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,320
Yeah, absolutely.

492
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,700
It was provided with the agenda where they would find this list.

493
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,520
Yes, it was provided in the agenda, I'm sorry, I just, I didn't print it with me.

494
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:26,740
I was here in the Senate because yeah, because I'm looking at it.

495
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,720
Commissioner Hart and his labeled Bonseille Project list.

496
00:44:31,020 --> 00:44:32,560
Just for the public to know that as well.

497
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:34,020
On the agenda.

498
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,920
And it's quite an extensive list.

499
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,300
Just for the public to give it a quick look and see where this money is going there.

500
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:55,960
It really keeps the wheels rolling and the county with services that we provide as a county to our constituency.

501
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,940
But, but your paying for it as well. So please take a look at it.

502
00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:08,380
And as I mentioned, these are projects that were previously approved by the Board, and previous fiscal years.

503
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Good morning, commissioners, Danielle Russell, capital improvement projects in grants manager.

504
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,420
In addition to the projects being part of the approved budgets.

505
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:25,740
As a commissioner form of government, we do not have the ability to authorize debt on our own, so these projects were also included in previous years legislative requests.

506
00:45:25,740 --> 00:45:28,040
so legislative request for bonding authority,

507
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:29,660
the state does need to approve,

508
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:32,900
cover county government can go out and sell these bonds.

509
00:45:33,260 --> 00:45:35,260
So the list that is attached to the resolution

510
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:39,760
is a result of that same legislative authority.

511
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:41,780
So we have to match legislative authority

512
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:44,880
to what we are requesting those bonds for.

513
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,780
So on the list, we have things like our ADA transition plan.

514
00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:50,760
Those are our infrastructure adjustments

515
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,000
to make sure that our buildings

516
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,960
and our other infrastructure are our ADA compliant.

517
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,940
We have school projects such as Northern Middle School.

518
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Northern Middle School is achieving its final phases of construction.

519
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,180
So this is bonding for that project.

520
00:46:05,820 --> 00:46:07,320
We have things like field lighting.

521
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:12,420
We have apparatus that FMV life pack.

522
00:46:12,460 --> 00:46:13,860
That is attached to apparatus.

523
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:17,120
We have security upgrades for count Marine Museum.

524
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:18,620
See.

525
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,220
We have road improvements.

526
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:26,680
we have things like paving. We have final bond issuances for the Twin Beach's Library,

527
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:31,420
which recently opened when we discussed, when Mary mentioned that there was a solid-based

528
00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:36,920
project. We have the Barsido Convenience Center upgrades and then we also have a number of water

529
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,520
and sewer projects like the Back Creek Loop Water Main and things like that. Do you have any

530
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,400
projects specifically that you were looking at Commissioner Grasseau? No, I just want the public to

531
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,500
aware of it, and I see Calvord Elementary HVAC. Of course, we, with the kids have to go to school,

532
00:46:52,780 --> 00:46:58,480
and they, um, comfortable environment, and when we talk apparatus, we're talking ambulances,

533
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:04,280
we're talking our fire departments, and we have to keep them up to speed, so they can provide

534
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,460
services for us. So just wanted to give the public an overview, Danielle. Thank you.

535
00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:16,160
And if I may just add and just reiterate what our bond council and who are they had said,

536
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,960
the reason why we have to put many of these in the resolution is because of the spend-down

537
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:28,580
requirements of the IRS. These are tax exempt bond issuances. And as a result of that,

538
00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:34,720
there are certain rules associated with how those proceeds are used. The IRS is not in the business

539
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:40,040
of giving out tax exemptions on public money because they don't want you to go earn an interest

540
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,840
on that. So arbitrage rules kick into play which is what we won't get into that here,

541
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,560
but I just want to give you an understanding that there are because of the tax exempt rules,

542
00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:56,840
we have to then bring all of these into a resolution form, and then we have to hit certain

543
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:03,080
spend down requirements at the 18 month, the three or all the way through three or requirements

544
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:09,020
to make sure that we are not holding the funds in-house without using them for the particular

545
00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:11,180
purposes that they are authorized for.

546
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:14,260
So we have to hit spend on benchmarks.

547
00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:16,000
Thank you.

548
00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:23,010
Okay.

549
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:26,070
Mr. President, would you public hear it?

550
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:26,490
Yes.

551
00:48:27,210 --> 00:48:30,290
The floor has been open for public comment on this hearing.

552
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:36,770
Resolution 6-89 was adopted and is available here today to maintain the order and

553
00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:39,530
the core of the governmental process.

554
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:43,330
Those attending in person will be invited to speak first

555
00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:44,890
for those joining virtually.

556
00:48:45,370 --> 00:48:49,050
If you wish to speak, please, please, please, press,

557
00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:51,670
star five, or use the raise your hand function.

558
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:54,170
Virtual participants will be identified

559
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:58,050
by their screen name or a last four digits of their phone number

560
00:48:58,050 --> 00:48:59,550
and I'm muted one at a time.

561
00:49:00,010 --> 00:49:02,370
Speakers will be asked to state their name and address.

562
00:49:02,850 --> 00:49:04,390
Speakers who are providing comment

563
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:11,530
individuals will be allocated two minutes, speakers who are designated representative of a group will be allocated five minutes.

564
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:16,570
The first speaker we have today is Patrick Flattardy, Wattardy.

565
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:24,170
Good morning Patrick Flattardy, loads of be speaking for myself.

566
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:31,710
I support using long-term bonds for true capital projects, major school construction, large road improvements,

567
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:36,650
significant facility on random renovations and long-lived water and sewer infrastructure.

568
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:40,310
Those assets last decades, so spreading the cost is fair.

569
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:45,570
However, they close look at the final list that shows 28 individual projects that each

570
00:49:45,570 --> 00:49:47,230
cost less than 500,000.

571
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:51,210
Together, those 28 anonymous total approximately 5.7 million.

572
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:56,890
The county's own debt policy states that projects under $500,000 should generally not

573
00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:59,890
Be funded through long-term borrowing on Leslie

574
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:12,900
Partly we large a group. And that pay as you go funding should be considered first. Cellular of these items are also maintenance, reoccurring contracts, or shorter lived equipment and software, not long-term capital assets.

575
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:29,940
Borrowing 5.7 million does not need to be borrowed. Means taxpayers will pay interest on that amount for the next 15 years or so.

576
00:50:29,940 --> 00:50:35,540
policy. Given the number of items that I raised these questions, I respectfully asked the board

577
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:40,160
to table the final action on this ban sale onto the new board to seat it in December. A short

578
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,640
delay would allow the incoming commissioners with fresh eyes, different perspectives and new

579
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:50,440
ideas to review the list carefully and decide what truly belongs in long-term debt versus what

580
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:55,980
can be paid with money already in hand. That approach protects taxpayers, preserves our strong

581
00:50:55,980 --> 00:51:02,920
Tripoli credit standing and the shares every dollar borrowed is used only for lasting capital needs. Thank you.

582
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:12,650
Next speaker is Timothy.

583
00:51:13,650 --> 00:51:14,210
Sorry.

584
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,740
Thank you. Thank you.

585
00:51:22,820 --> 00:51:24,020
Good morning, commissioners.

586
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:25,380
I just want to speak.

587
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Can you please state your name for the record?

588
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,660
Will you be speaking as a group for his individual today?

589
00:51:29,940 --> 00:51:30,480
Timothy Bromit.

590
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:32,540
And speaking as for myself.

591
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,480
I just want to thank commissioners.

592
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,940
I want to support the bond amendment.

593
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:42,840
I live in the Calvert Highlands been there for 39 years and we know part of this is to help with our sewer program

594
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:51,540
that we're going over 70% of the neighborhood voted in favor of this now when there was going to be additional calls

595
00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:55,620
but anything the county government could help us would be greatly appreciated.

596
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:57,000
Thank you.

597
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,160
Thank you.

598
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:05,390
Next speaker is Pastor Mason.

599
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,760
Pastor Mason.

600
00:52:14,830 --> 00:52:15,510
I'll see you.

601
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:16,770
Okay.

602
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:19,370
Next speaker is Ethan Cox.

603
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:27,620
Good morning, commissioners. My name is Ethan Cox.

604
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:29,700
Candidate for County Commission District 1.

605
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,420
Speaking of behalf of myself today.

606
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,360
So, we have a triple A bond read.

607
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,560
St. Mary's County has double A1.

608
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,980
One level below triple A.

609
00:52:39,580 --> 00:52:43,760
Our last interest rate on our last issue was 2.86%.

610
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,320
St. Mary's County, 3.71%.

611
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,700
There are homeowners in this room right now

612
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:53,720
who have refinanced to get a 0.85% reduction on their mortgage.

613
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,000
In terms of the county budget, this saves millions over the bond lifetime.

614
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:07,240
Maintaining that AAA bond rating requires fiscal responsibly and fiscal conservative policies.

615
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:13,960
When or lose, I will always fight to preserve the AAA rating to ensure that avoidable debt

616
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,160
isn't thrown onto my generation.

617
00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:22,720
It was concerning to hear the gentleman representing District 1, and his willingness to tank that

618
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:27,280
bond rating during the April 7 meeting, where he suggested that we, quote, could write that

619
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,740
check on quote, for $9 million on turf fields if we rated the county's reserves. This

620
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:37,940
is not the same tone that the gentleman struck when he went to New York to lobby Moody's to

621
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:43,440
up our rating at Triple A. In fact, in an article from June 2017, he called the Triple A bond

622
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,980
and extremely important thing.

623
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,280
He even campaigned on maintaining that AAA bond rating

624
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,940
at the June 28th, 2020 second Republican candidate for him,

625
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,180
where he said, quote, I look at your money,

626
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:56,940
the same as I look at my money,

627
00:53:57,300 --> 00:53:59,180
while highlighting six straight AAA ratings.

628
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:03,140
I happen to agree with the 2017 and 2022 versions

629
00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:03,740
of the gentleman.

630
00:54:04,300 --> 00:54:07,280
This late edition just sounds fiscally irresponsible,

631
00:54:07,620 --> 00:54:09,560
and frankly, like fiscal flip flopping.

632
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:11,980
So, as we look towards our next board,

633
00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:15,600
we must always work to maintain archipelay boundary. Period.

634
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:25,280
Next speaker, Sherry Burton.

635
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:58,130
Second.

636
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:19,130
Okay. Good afternoon. Good morning, actually. I don't know. Up from down these days with all the numbers I've been looking at, but, um, good morning, Ms. Ferdin, can you please stage your name and will you be speaking to an individual with a critique?

637
00:55:19,810 --> 00:55:33,870
Yes, this is Sherry Verdun speaking for a group. And that is the, um, water sewer consumers, um, that received the, uh, 220 residential EDU bill.

638
00:55:33,870 --> 00:55:43,810
Connections. Okay. Please don't start my clock yet. Okay. I really would like to restart this because it's very important and everyone in the room should deserve a chance to hear it.

639
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:57,010
Okay. Before all of these millions of dollars. Are you still going to call. Okay. Although in 2023 I asked you for an audit in 2026 I asked you for a timeline and now I believe I have found both.

640
00:55:57,010 --> 00:56:05,010
Just in time for today's public hearing on the 2026 bond sale and the data center moratorium at the same time.

641
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:08,450
Still made it.

642
00:56:08,770 --> 00:56:11,430
And now I believe I have found both just in time.

643
00:56:11,470 --> 00:56:17,910
I studied the actual fiscal year 2024 new-gen water sewer rate study Excel workbook.

644
00:56:18,510 --> 00:56:26,310
Not the slides and I ran the two scenarios that were behind the rate structure presented to water sewer consumers on September 26.

645
00:56:30,110 --> 00:56:39,720
and I would like for the public to hear what I found in that workbook that was presented to us at the workshop.

646
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:49,080
I see that the workbook, not the slides, ran two scenarios that were behind the rate structure presented to the water sewer consumers.

647
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,660
And I need this board to reconcile what the cells actually do.

648
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:55,060
Go to the Revenue Requirements tab.

649
00:56:55,580 --> 00:57:02,840
One scenario produces $1,120 million, $398, $950.

650
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:11,280
And $46.49 plus $47 million, $255.74.

651
00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:17,540
Together, $167 million, $618,522.

652
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:23,320
now run the alternate scenario, which are both listed in that workbook. The two

653
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:30,560
different scenarios, two long-term projects, the difference, 69 cents. Why? And

654
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,560
here is the question I want to answer before today's bond sale. What does that

655
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,400
long-term amount appear to reconcile with? The financing represented in the

656
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,140
2023 bond sale and in this bond sale. Why am I seeing what appears to be two

657
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:50,700
phases of county bonds, salary financing, reflected inside of a water sewer rate projection

658
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:56,360
from 2023 in the notebook in the margins and everyone in this room should go to that

659
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,580
work, book study, click on the tab and you'll read all of this, okay? And it will tell

660
00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:07,140
you the future projects too, which you'd be very interested to know, which ones have the

661
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:16,700
in the margins, okay? So what exactly is 120.120 million and 47.2 million and why do they total

662
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:23,740
167.68 million? Six, one, eight million? Why does that alternative scenario arrive at essentially the

663
00:58:23,740 --> 00:58:28,680
exact same number and why do they appear in two phases in our bonding? And then I followed the

664
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:34,200
cells backward and I see new jet. I see capital requirements. I see capital connection fee shortfall.

665
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,660
Is this showing the revenue stream required to support the debt?

666
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,460
If not, what is it showing?

667
00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:44,580
Because in 2020, new Jen's stuffy, something was very clear.

668
00:58:44,940 --> 00:58:47,400
Capital connection fees pay for the cost, new capacity

669
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,340
pays for the system.

670
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,140
And then I found the future capital connection allocation analysis.

671
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,820
And the future project tab, under it contains

672
00:58:56,820 --> 00:59:02,640
Beatree Apartments 233 EDUs, the new County Office Building 13 EDUs,

673
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:29,820
Calvert Hills Town homes, Calvert Hills apartments, Calvert Hills apartments, I'm sorry, Catherine Gesso did want to hear these future Calvert Hills apartments, all of which have notes in the margin that should be checked to against other projects that you were told were funded by HUD development projects, look at those notes in the margin and see what these future projects have allocated and what those notes say, okay.

674
00:59:29,820 --> 00:59:39,140
You'll be surprised which ones are all care because I was, especially when I saw Benedict Charles County 1,115 sewer EDUs.

675
00:59:39,460 --> 00:59:47,720
I saw co-point CR-E4,000 EDUs, but the connection for you short fall with all these new hookups coming.

676
00:59:48,420 --> 00:59:52,580
So I'd like to direct to the audit towards budget unit 575.

677
00:59:52,580 --> 00:59:59,940
But your unit 575 is the particular cell that went missing, okay, that you can look at to find

678
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,360
Now, where that went to, when you zoom out all the surrounding cells, are existing go-bond principle, existing

679
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:17,980
go-bond interest, refund refunding bond principle, refunding bond interest, contracted services, depreciation, electricity, transfers, maintenance, salaries, supplies, reserves.

680
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:28,340
So, I would ask the board to reconcile budget unit 575 and I would ask the public to look at fiscal year 24 rate model for the

681
01:00:28,340 --> 01:00:33,120
who are studying and read those notes budget unit 575. Thank you.

682
01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:42,590
There are no

683
01:00:42,590 --> 01:00:48,230
colors. I'm sorry. And percent of these. Is there any other attendees in the room

684
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:52,570
that would like to speak pertaining to this public hearing? All right. We'll switch

685
01:00:52,570 --> 01:00:56,570
it over now to Andrew Miller who will be online.

686
01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:05,160
Morning all. So we do have one person online right now. Call her ending in 6988. If you

687
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,660
wish to speak please use the raise hand function on teams.

688
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:16,570
Looks like there are no

689
01:01:16,570 --> 01:01:17,430
callers.

690
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:35,450
Can I ask a question please? It was brought up that a long term

691
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:41,410
bonding under $500,000 should not be a part of this. Is there an explanation?

692
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:47,190
Yes. Okay. Absolutely. So some of these projects even though we are only borrowing

693
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:52,170
$500,000, there a project that has been in the works for some time. So we may

694
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:57,150
of borrowed, you know, a million dollars, two years previously, but we were not prepared to take

695
01:01:57,150 --> 01:02:02,470
on the additional debt of the 500,000 at that point, again, to meet the, as Juan Council

696
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:09,210
mentioned, this was a $10,000 requirement, so now we're ready to take on that debt, because

697
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:12,830
we can reimburse as advised.

698
01:02:13,450 --> 01:02:14,870
I hope that makes sense.

699
01:02:15,590 --> 01:02:16,890
It's a staging, right?

700
01:02:17,070 --> 01:02:21,930
I mean, if, sorry, when you issued, you issued the line-share up front, and then, as

701
01:02:21,930 --> 01:02:22,770
It kind of breaks down.

702
01:02:22,830 --> 01:02:23,230
Exactly.

703
01:02:23,570 --> 01:02:24,250
It's down to, right?

704
01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:26,010
It's standard one.

705
01:02:26,050 --> 01:02:26,250
Yeah.

706
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:26,970
I have so many good.

707
01:02:27,050 --> 01:02:28,010
The entire idea of the projects.

708
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:28,730
Yeah.

709
01:02:28,750 --> 01:02:30,570
The state earlier has sent me another three years.

710
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:32,250
You just didn't have the breakdown.

711
01:02:32,430 --> 01:02:36,210
Sometimes in the past would be a breakdown when you see in the project of what we would pay

712
01:02:36,210 --> 01:02:38,830
in fiscal say 26 to 27 to 28.

713
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:39,510
Yes, sir.

714
01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:40,050
Yeah.

715
01:02:40,110 --> 01:02:43,950
And that is that will appear in the adopted budget documents.

716
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:46,230
It will show, you know, the stage.

717
01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:49,910
But again, you know, if the Board approves $8 million for our project, but we only

718
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:51,130
need $2 million in debt.

719
01:02:51,130 --> 01:02:52,490
only going to get the 2 million.

720
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,120
Thank you.

721
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,460
Ms. Rose, I will move the Board of County Commission as an act. The resolution pertaining

722
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:10,540
to the issue of the sale of vines this first. For proceeds and levy the ad value and taxes,

723
01:03:10,580 --> 01:03:17,300
authorize the county to proceed to market with the issuance of its 2026 general obligation

724
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:19,980
vines. If I announce and approve the capital program.

725
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:26,130
So, I have a motion in a second.

726
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:27,170
Take a motion of Scott's.

727
01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:30,730
Is there any discussion on this?

728
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:32,550
You're even known all this.

729
01:03:32,610 --> 01:03:33,310
Bear say aye.

730
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:34,650
Opposed.

731
01:03:35,470 --> 01:03:36,130
Motion carries.

732
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:36,990
Thank you.

733
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:37,710
Thank you.

734
01:03:44,990 --> 01:03:45,550
Thanks, Mr. Sir.

735
01:03:45,550 --> 01:03:46,430
Next public hearing.

736
01:03:46,570 --> 01:03:47,530
Department of Planning and Zoning.

737
01:03:47,630 --> 01:03:48,330
Sicken off board.

738
01:03:48,570 --> 01:03:50,210
Torim on data center projects.

739
01:03:50,750 --> 01:03:51,390
Directed, frankly.

740
01:03:56,330 --> 01:03:56,770
Good morning.

741
01:03:56,910 --> 01:03:59,710
Again, Commissioner Chase Berkley, Director of Planning and Zoning.

742
01:04:00,270 --> 01:04:03,370
There's not a formal presentation for this item, so I'm going to read the memo.

743
01:04:03,370 --> 01:04:16,990
On background on July 21st, 2026, the Board of County Commissioners directed staff to proceed with drafting and advertising of a public hearing to consider a six-month moratorium on data center projects in Calvert County.

744
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:26,150
The discussion that development of large-scale data centers is a relatively new and evolving land use in miniature restrictions, including including Calvert County,

745
01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:32,170
and local governments are working to understand the long-term impacts on land use infrastructure and surrounding communities.

746
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:36,650
A moratorium is a temporary suspension that would allow the county additional time to review

747
01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:41,350
an adoptive regulations and zoning ordinance text amendments related to data centers

748
01:04:41,350 --> 01:04:47,370
and to perform any needed studies or analysis related to the same as directed by the BOCC.

749
01:04:48,550 --> 01:04:51,910
Conclusion and recommendation staff request that the Board of County Commissioners

750
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:56,850
conduct a public hearing. Receive public comment and close the record following the

751
01:04:56,850 --> 01:04:59,930
public hearing. The Board may review and take any other following actions.

752
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:07,680
Approve, adopt, and enact the ordinance as presented. Approve, adopt, and enact the ordinance with amendments, or denial.

753
01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:14,920
And commissioners, we did receive 25 written comments that were provided to you prior to today's hearing.

754
01:05:15,540 --> 01:05:19,360
Do you have any questions or anything for me before we take public comment?

755
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:29,420
I do. Part of this moratorium does not have that no site plans, no applications will be accepted

756
01:05:29,420 --> 01:05:36,260
during this six months period. One thing I've concerned about is no conversations with

757
01:05:36,260 --> 01:05:43,500
a potential data centers. I've spoken with our attorney that would be a, that would

758
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:51,500
taking away their first amendment right. So, okay. So, four things I'm very interested in

759
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:57,960
in accomplishing. No site plans will be accepted. No applications, period. No conversations

760
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:04,680
with potential data center inquiries that probably isn't going to happen because of the first

761
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:11,140
amendment. So, within the next month, I want the zoning reverse fact to its original form.

762
01:06:11,140 --> 01:06:15,880
I also want a study that is not general, not off the shelf.

763
01:06:16,180 --> 01:06:22,000
I want a study that is unique to our unique community and our makeup.

764
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,060
So that's what I want to accomplish in the next four weeks.

765
01:06:27,260 --> 01:06:34,460
And I want you to come before us with the proposal, proposed zoning change as well.

766
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:44,920
I don't know that the moratorium is strong enough if it doesn't have no site plans or applications will would be considered.

767
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:47,480
Can you speak to that?

768
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,140
You are correct right now.

769
01:06:49,340 --> 01:06:50,600
It's just site plan approvals.

770
01:06:51,000 --> 01:07:05,750
If the board following the public hearing wishes to modify that ordinance, that is the

771
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:11,790
Commissioner you don't meet within the next month. So I can come back at the next meeting with a

772
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:13,590
A work session on

773
01:07:14,590 --> 01:07:20,390
On that my suggestion would where we're discussing text amendments later in this meeting to have that discussion on

774
01:07:21,370 --> 01:07:27,950
Directing staff regarding text amendments during that item would be my recommendation. And I know we're getting so ganged with

775
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:32,150
you know, opens meeting act and so on and so forth, but

776
01:07:33,350 --> 01:07:33,950
it

777
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:41,410
I will address it them, but it is very important to me because I don't think this moratorium

778
01:07:41,410 --> 01:07:49,270
as it stands has the teeth the public wants to have unless we reverse the zoning and that

779
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:53,950
is imperative that it go hand in hand with this moratorium.

780
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:55,470
So we'll talk about that later.

781
01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:59,290
The director, I have a question for you.

782
01:07:59,670 --> 01:08:03,290
Can we get a lot of people sitting here listening today?

783
01:08:03,730 --> 01:08:09,370
Can you talk a little bit about if we don't have a site plan,

784
01:08:10,190 --> 01:08:15,050
how do we move full with studies and the costs of them studies?

785
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:18,090
Could you just talk about that for a minute?

786
01:08:18,650 --> 01:08:22,410
And I do know some of the public feedback we have received so far

787
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:25,890
is requesting specifics on studies.

788
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:33,270
I think that it's probably needs to be a separate discussion if you want my two cents on it,

789
01:08:33,630 --> 01:08:37,590
because I think there's a cost factor to the studies if there's no,

790
01:08:38,210 --> 01:08:42,170
ideally in an ideal world you would have those studies paid for by an applicant,

791
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:45,210
or an end user or something, a developer.

792
01:08:46,110 --> 01:08:50,950
If that's not happening, I think the analysis on what studies are needed,

793
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:54,850
and the fiscal impact of those studies needs to be a, that's part of what Commissioner

794
01:08:54,850 --> 01:08:57,890
Grasso mentioned on zoning text amendments or everything.

795
01:08:58,070 --> 01:09:00,150
I think that's where that discussion needs to be.

796
01:09:00,390 --> 01:09:04,130
I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but I would caution against putting it in an ordinance

797
01:09:04,130 --> 01:09:08,250
that requires you to do it and then you end up seeing the price tag, which will likely be

798
01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:09,170
seven or eight figures.

799
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:13,830
And do you really spend that if there is no end user?

800
01:09:13,930 --> 01:09:16,030
Is that the best path forward?

801
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:20,550
I think that discussion needs we had separate, then including it in an ordinance itself.

802
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:22,450
Thank you.

803
01:09:23,230 --> 01:09:30,770
Also another comment is our governor has says about data centers, it's not a case of if but when.

804
01:09:31,450 --> 01:09:36,610
So that's what we're going to be up against so we really need to tighten ourselves up.

805
01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:43,110
I saw that Governor Abbott and Texas and they have data centers there as you know,

806
01:09:43,470 --> 01:09:48,590
but they put a pause on them and it's mainly been because the cost to the community

807
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:52,610
with the water, the electricity, so on and so forth.

808
01:09:53,190 --> 01:09:54,310
It is just astronomical,

809
01:09:54,690 --> 01:09:57,350
but I wanted to say one thing that I thought was interesting.

810
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:59,930
He said, as part of their...

811
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,140
Pause, and what they will put in their recommendations is no disturbance to rural areas, and we are a rural area.

812
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,860
So we've got to be as tight as we can pay. Thank you.

813
01:10:16,190 --> 01:10:23,190
Director, I agree with Commissioner Grosso, but when you come back, until we get these environmental studies,

814
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:30,530
and even at what she just said, you know, in the past with any projects, you know, as apartments, what have you,

815
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:33,710
It's always been on the user to pay it,

816
01:10:33,810 --> 01:10:35,330
but we've seen you from past history.

817
01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:37,870
If they pay it, they're gonna come back with

818
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:39,190
what they know they can pass.

819
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:41,190
So the only way to protect ourselves

820
01:10:41,190 --> 01:10:42,790
is we're gonna have to eat this,

821
01:10:42,910 --> 01:10:45,910
but I want to expand it for more than just data centers.

822
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:47,790
You know, in the past, you know, we're a county,

823
01:10:47,970 --> 01:10:50,250
we've got a nuclear facility,

824
01:10:50,410 --> 01:10:51,350
the only energy facility.

825
01:10:52,150 --> 01:10:54,170
We've never had our own tighter

826
01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:55,310
in environmental regulations.

827
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:57,350
We've relied on the state and the federal government.

828
01:10:57,350 --> 01:11:04,230
We need to expand this to what is next, is it solar farms, is it lithium batteries, whatever

829
01:11:04,230 --> 01:11:04,770
comes down.

830
01:11:04,990 --> 01:11:08,850
So we're going to need, I think when we're writing that, it's going to have to be written

831
01:11:08,850 --> 01:11:12,970
to whatever environmental impacts could be in the future.

832
01:11:13,610 --> 01:11:17,730
And it'll be a lot of standard things of how far from you to streams, how else it thinks

833
01:11:17,730 --> 01:11:18,290
that nature.

834
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:25,090
But until that firm comes in, I don't want to have any verbiets where we're putting on the

835
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:30,890
to pay because you know they're going to make it to something they can pass and that's not

836
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:36,910
going to be good enough. So I think the life lesson with having all these big facilities is

837
01:11:36,910 --> 01:11:44,150
whatever the future brings we have a policy that's curtailed back to Commissioner Grasso said

838
01:11:44,150 --> 01:11:46,890
that's for us. Understood.

839
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:55,140
If there's no further questions at the moment I'm going to jump right

840
01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:58,560
to the speakers we do have signed up.

841
01:12:02,020 --> 01:12:06,940
The floor is open for public comment on this hearing resolution 6-89 was adopted and is available

842
01:12:06,940 --> 01:12:10,180
today to maintain the order and decorum of the governmental process.

843
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:14,500
Those attending in person are about to speak first for those joining virtually if you wish

844
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:17,500
to speak please press star 9 or use the raise your hand function.

845
01:12:18,140 --> 01:12:22,480
Virtual participants will be identified by the screen name or last four digits of their phone

846
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,540
number and unmuted one at a time.

847
01:12:24,540 --> 01:12:28,580
speakers will be asked to state their name and address speaking speakers who are providing

848
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:33,420
comments as individuals are allocated two minutes speakers that are designated representative

849
01:12:33,420 --> 01:12:38,300
for group are allocated five minutes and I'm going to go ahead and apologize before we even

850
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:45,400
get going if I missed pronounce any names. That is entirely my my fault. First speaker is Patrick

851
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,000
Flerty.

852
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:57,240
Good morning again Patrick Flerty, Loseby speaking on behalf of myself. There's a

853
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,680
about life that you have to show up for, participate in it. And by the looks of the people here

854
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,760
today, I'd say that statement is true. It's also said that you can't win a badly,

855
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,640
you don't fight, and it's clear everyone here is ready to battle for the future of

856
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,440
cover counting. People want to know why this board is pushing a water-down

857
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:19,600
moratorium when so many residents, including myself, have submitted clear reasonable suggestions,

858
01:13:20,220 --> 01:13:25,420
drawn from language that other Maryland counties have used successfully. Those suggestions

859
01:13:25,420 --> 01:13:30,000
would make this moratorium iron clad, freezing the acceptance, processing, review, and approval

860
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:35,360
of all related applications, site plans, conditional uses, and building permits, and removing

861
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,840
the automatic sunset that forces us to start this entire process over again in just six months.

862
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,820
Instead, the version before us only calls the site plan a approvals, leaves other pathways open,

863
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:52,580
and includes an automatic expiration that is not the strong cause of the public has asked for.

864
01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:57,760
We have already seen massive delays, years of secrecy, exclusive negotiating agreements,

865
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:01,340
india's and closed sessions while data center plans move forward.

866
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:06,340
Any major strengthening of this week text would most likely require a new two week

867
01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:07,260
advertisement period.

868
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:12,580
And after today's meeting, the next scheduled board meeting is not until September 22nd.

869
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,280
Full five weeks from now.

870
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,740
That combination means real protection gets pushed even further into the future.

871
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:23,900
People of Caver County have shown up.

872
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,280
We are ready to fight for a clean reset and real transparency.

873
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,360
I respectfully urge just board not to settle for the water down the version before us today.

874
01:14:32,940 --> 01:14:37,660
Instead, direct staff to bring forward a stronger iron-clad language that residents have

875
01:14:37,660 --> 01:14:40,760
submitted, language proven, and other Maryland counties.

876
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:48,160
So the public can see a real moratorium advertised and enacted as the law allows.

877
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:49,160
Thank you.

878
01:14:57,710 --> 01:14:59,950
The next speaker is Daniel.

879
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,860
Local peck and following that, we will have Michael Block.

880
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,040
Daniel Pock, I'll be speaking for a group.

881
01:15:14,060 --> 01:15:16,200
Okay. What group will you be speaking for today?

882
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,240
Citizens for Calvert.

883
01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:24,380
My name is Daniel Pock and I am the vice president of Citizens for Calvert.

884
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:29,740
First, I want to be very clear. Citizens for Calvert supports the moratorium before you this morning

885
01:15:29,740 --> 01:15:31,560
and we're asking you to pass it today.

886
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:37,400
It is an honor to stand here representing an organization and a community that has spent months pushing

887
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,000
organizing, researching, and demanding action.

888
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:46,420
Calvert residents have come together again and again to voice their concerns, advocate for

889
01:15:46,420 --> 01:15:50,480
this pause and data center development, and we could now be more proud of the incredible

890
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:51,920
people who have joined this effort.

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,600
But I also want to be candid because I think otherwise would do a disservice to everyone

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:57,400
in this room.

893
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,860
This process has been exhausting.

894
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,280
We understand the public discourse can get ugly, and we understand that people say things

895
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:11,300
online that are unfair, inflammatory, and sometimes completely inappropriate, but it is important

896
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:16,100
that we never conflate the worst behavior that you see on the internet with legitimate

897
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:21,240
activists and concerns residents who have been working desperately to pull the breaks on

898
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:21,860
this train.

899
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:26,780
These meeting rooms have been filled with some of the most thoughtful, informed, and committed

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01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:28,000
people in this county.

901
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:33,820
Individuals who have read through documents, attended meetings, learned issues, and continued

902
01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:38,940
showing up because they care deeply about what happens here and that's not a problem, that's

903
01:16:38,940 --> 01:16:44,060
civic engagement. And in fact this outpouring of participation is a testament to how democracy

904
01:16:44,060 --> 01:16:49,320
is supposed to work. People pay attention, they ask questions, and they're demanding answers

905
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:54,880
from the people that they elected to represent them. But that relationship requires trust. Residents

906
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:59,280
trusted their government to ask these questions before opening the door to development of this

907
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:04,300
And instead, a lot of these residents were left asking these questions by themselves.

908
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:10,420
That's why the trust is damaged, and you cannot rebuild trust by telling residents to stop asking questions.

909
01:17:11,060 --> 01:17:12,200
You cannot rebuild trust.

910
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:17,800
You can only rebuild trust through listening, transparency, and a willingness to change course if necessary.

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01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,380
This is an opportunity to begin repairing that trust.

912
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,580
And this moment belongs to communities beyond Calvert County, though, too.

913
01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:32,200
We stand on the shoulders of working class communities in places like Memphis and Northern Virginia that sounded the alarm before us.

914
01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:38,480
And we stand alongside communities in Utah, New Jersey and everywhere else that have wrestled with unchecked data center development,

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01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:40,880
convened for the people who actually live there.

916
01:17:41,140 --> 01:17:42,620
And we've learned from them.

917
01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:48,360
And now, Calvary County has an opportunity to demonstrate what meaningful civic engagement can really accomplish.

918
01:17:48,860 --> 01:17:50,800
And this is because people showed up.

919
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:55,560
because people ask questions and organized and because residents refuse to accept that

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:18:01,500
sacrificing their community was simply the inevitable price of economic or technological progress.

921
01:18:02,260 --> 01:18:07,380
This moratorium is a first step, but it cannot be the last. We understand why projects like this can

922
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:12,400
be tempting. When some of the wealthiest companies in the world come knocking on a small county promising

923
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:18,140
investment, jobs, tax revenue, saying yes can feel like the easy button. But governing a community

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01:18:18,140 --> 01:18:23,280
is not simply about maximizing revenue, and not everything we value can be measured in dollars.

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01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:28,160
So please, pause this process, give the county time to do the work that should have

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01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,320
been done long before we got here.

927
01:18:30,860 --> 01:18:35,980
Study the impacts on our electricity, our water, wastewater, roads, emergency services,

928
01:18:36,540 --> 01:18:41,440
environment, air quality, and what that could mean for our schools, neighborhoods, and communities.

929
01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:43,320
But don't stop there.

930
01:18:43,780 --> 01:18:47,480
Communities across Maryland and across the country are grappling with the same extraordinary

931
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:52,320
Any other questions about data centers, energy, land, technology and community voice?

932
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,880
We should not be reinventing the wheel in every county and Maryland.

933
01:18:56,460 --> 01:18:58,320
Let Calvert be part of that conversation.

934
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,420
Let what happens here and what we have learned from it help other communities make better

935
01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:05,920
decisions before they find themselves where we did.

936
01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:09,620
We have an opportunity to do more than protect our own backyard here.

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01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:14,500
Today we can rebuild trust, lead responsibly, and be part of the solution.

938
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,080
Please pass the moratorium.

939
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:28,060
Next speaker is Michael Block following that. We will have William Goodwin.

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01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:34,280
Hello, I am Michael Block, and I am speaking as concerned citizen. During the Board of

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:43,600
Commission's meeting, I am telling you, I am sorry about that. Hello, I am Michael

942
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:48,460
Block, and I am speaking as a concerned citizen. During the Board of Commission's meeting

943
01:19:48,460 --> 01:19:52,040
with Natelli holding on 29 June 2020,

944
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,200
they're acoustic consultant,

945
01:19:54,460 --> 01:19:58,220
Jeff Sermansky stayed the Natelli data center.

946
01:19:58,220 --> 01:19:59,940
We're going to hear it to Maryland noise.

947
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:11,400
Maryland Noise Code deals with BDA, which is the noise from a human hearing ranging from 20 Hertz to 20,000 Hertz.

948
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:20,380
The Tally Holden also mentions that they were adhered to ISO, 9613-2, standard for acoustics and

949
01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:30,460
of sound. However, this standard only covers between 44 hertz and 11.3 kilohertz. This

950
01:20:30,460 --> 01:20:35,300
standard does not cover the full hearing range. Neither of these standards cover

951
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:43,540
infrasound. Infrasound is below 20 hertz and ranges from 20 hertz to 0.001 hertz.

952
01:20:43,540 --> 01:20:51,480
Infrason can cause human health problems, also small animals use Infrason to detect predators.

953
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:56,360
I urge the Board of Commissioner to create a two-year moratorium.

954
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:02,560
During the spaceline study, should be conducted to measure the amount of low-frequency noise

955
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:09,240
20 to 500 Hz, as well as Infrason, they currently exist in the environment.

956
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:15,820
Carole Cliff nuclear power plant is not using turbines to cool their water, so I

957
01:21:15,820 --> 01:21:19,840
suspect very little in for some is being produced by the nuclear plant.

958
01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:27,540
I would suggest that an independent acoustic contractor be hired to measure based on

959
01:21:27,540 --> 01:21:33,460
in for some measured levels, as well as in for some levels at various data centers.

960
01:21:33,460 --> 01:21:42,840
The consultant needs to model attenuation of sound both in the ground and air at various distances away from the surface.

961
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:43,540
Thank you.

962
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,820
William Goodwin, and following that, there's Chuck Borges.

963
01:21:58,830 --> 01:22:00,710
There's a nice name as William Goodwin.

964
01:22:01,050 --> 01:22:02,530
I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

965
01:22:04,630 --> 01:22:08,910
Other speakers have spoken to some of the points that were in my mind.

966
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:19,010
I have brought in an article that was on Yahoo this morning and it was published by Pennsylvania Capital Star.

967
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:41,760
This article was published this morning by Pennsylvania Capital Star and one of the graphics in there is one of the state of Maryland and the counties and what state of affairs they have with regard to either banning or creating moratorium on data centers.

968
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:56,300
And what struck me as I was looking through this and listening to the other speakers and having been here before is whenever I've been faced with the decision I thought I was making the best decision.

969
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:08,320
In hindsight over the more than 65 years of being a legal adult, the biggest regrets I have is when I made decisions without sufficient information to make a good decision.

970
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,060
And that's what the whole crux of this matter is.

971
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:20,020
I know it's a fast-paced process with the fiscal realities that are there facing the county.

972
01:23:20,780 --> 01:23:29,140
Yet we don't know the fiscal, mental, social, environmental factors that data centers would bring.

973
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:34,800
And I just reflect on one example, data centers shut down suddenly in Virginia.

974
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:49,540
I think about four maybe six weeks ago, and it had the effect of creating a tsunami like wave that's spread from Virginia all the way to Chicago and bounce back several times throughout the entire power grid.

975
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:56,300
That's what we're being exposed to with the headlong rush to create data centers for short term benefit.

976
01:23:56,300 --> 01:24:06,660
So I just ask you to do all in your power and concert with others in Maryland and other jurisdictions to look at all of these factors before deciding.

977
01:24:07,140 --> 01:24:07,680
Thank you.

978
01:24:13,420 --> 01:24:16,960
Chuck Horgus and following that, there's Hara Watts.

979
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:19,860
Good morning, my name is Chuck Horgus.

980
01:24:20,060 --> 01:24:26,660
I'm running for State Senate District 29, which is southern Maryland, including all the data center installations, but I'm not here today's candidate.

981
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:28,680
I'm here's a federal data expert.

982
01:24:29,140 --> 01:24:34,380
Last year I was the Chief Data Officer, Social Security, I was the business analytics lead at CDC.

983
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,380
I was never a first chief data officer. I literally wrote the federal data strategy.

984
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:45,320
While in all of those roles, I never signed an NDA and I never violated the open meetings or transparency acts.

985
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:50,260
I'll leave it to the citizens of Calvert to decide if you are competent to sit in those chairs

986
01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:53,880
and if those that follow your policies are competent to follow you.

987
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:59,940
Again, I'm speaking as a federal data expert and I come speaking today with a warning. This will

988
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:12,860
Not stop. We are too close to the centers of power for our government and the literal power that we generate for industrial encroachment to stop pushing into our region.

989
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:27,100
Celebrate the removal of the site plan, but that's all it was. AWS could submit another site plan tomorrow or November 4th, depending on who you elect or the day after this week, moratorium ends.

990
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:29,780
I ask you to consider two things.

991
01:25:30,780 --> 01:25:34,100
One, Natelli, who's faced resistance over here,

992
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,960
is meeting with the Republican Party in St. Mary's County.

993
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:39,320
We breathe at the same air.

994
01:25:39,860 --> 01:25:41,060
We drink the same water.

995
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,160
We have the same wildlife.

996
01:25:44,460 --> 01:25:46,620
The data center there affects Calvary County.

997
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:48,900
Southern Maryland's problems are not ending

998
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:51,320
at the boundaries of our counties or our districts.

999
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,540
Number two, chat GPT.

1000
01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:57,520
Everybody's heard of ChatGPT is four years old.

1001
01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:59,940
What happens in the next four years

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01:25:59,940 --> 01:26:01,980
if you make an choice in November

1003
01:26:01,980 --> 01:26:04,640
that perpetuates the same obfuscation,

1004
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,860
the same delay, and the same weak leadership

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01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:09,740
at the county and state level.

1006
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,000
It is time to make a choice for leadership that puts community first

1007
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,660
and last in every discussion

1008
01:26:16,220 --> 01:26:18,180
and they can think outside the box

1009
01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:21,500
when you blame revenue problem that you partly created

1010
01:26:21,500 --> 01:26:23,700
and you need a data center to solve it.

1011
01:26:23,700 --> 01:26:27,580
I'm sorry, innovation outside the box thinking and new leadership

1012
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:29,000
can solve these problems.

1013
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:31,040
This will not stop.

1014
01:26:31,460 --> 01:26:34,040
Pass this moratorium and then make it stronger.

1015
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:35,420
Thank you.

1016
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:47,710
So, Hara Watts and the next speaker following is Pam Warner.

1017
01:26:48,450 --> 01:26:50,550
My name is Shara Watts.

1018
01:26:51,550 --> 01:26:54,430
Now, I speak as an individual and as a candidate for state delegate

1019
01:26:54,430 --> 01:26:59,290
for district 29C, which includes the lesbian and central

1020
01:26:59,290 --> 01:27:00,750
St. Mary's County.

1021
01:27:00,750 --> 01:27:09,050
I have a couple of points. One, save our water. A data center uses the water for 21,000 houses and

1022
01:27:09,050 --> 01:27:16,550
coolant for coolant, and the current use are aquiferous or declining at 2 to 3 feet per year. Protect our jobs.

1023
01:27:17,130 --> 01:27:25,950
AI will replace everything from administrative to physician jobs. We need to re-tool the workforce to get ready. Protect our privacy.

1024
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:31,270
They have already, they already have more information than we would like and are accumulating

1025
01:27:31,270 --> 01:27:32,850
more to what end.

1026
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:38,210
To serve our power, data centers stress our power group with their needs, which are

1027
01:27:38,210 --> 01:27:42,010
that of a small city, driving utility costs even higher.

1028
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:48,130
Protect our environment, from air, water, noise, and light pollution, they are a poor

1029
01:27:48,130 --> 01:27:51,090
net news of land and they also have our wildlife.

1030
01:27:51,090 --> 01:27:59,950
keep our elected officials honest no more in the days. And to quote Eric Brinn y'all in the

1031
01:27:59,950 --> 01:28:06,230
New York Times yesterday, we must act now. Governments everywhere must build the incentives,

1032
01:28:06,510 --> 01:28:13,410
third rails, and institutions needed to steer AI in a direction that complements humans and

1033
01:28:13,410 --> 01:28:21,730
it's society. In other words, we need to plan, study, and regulate AI and data centers until

1034
01:28:21,730 --> 01:28:24,530
we know what we're getting into. Thank you.

1035
01:28:31,210 --> 01:28:33,510
Pam Warner and following that speaker, Nancy

1036
01:28:33,510 --> 01:28:38,010
L. One. Morning commissioners. My name is Pam Warner and I'm representing

1037
01:28:38,010 --> 01:28:43,650
Indivisible Calvert County. I reviewed the draft moratorium and was it's just an amendment.

1038
01:28:43,650 --> 01:28:50,090
The moratorium is drafted only depends suspends the approval of site plans, not the acceptance

1039
01:28:50,090 --> 01:28:53,430
processing or review of site plans during the moratorium.

1040
01:28:54,370 --> 01:28:59,270
Yet the draft states that the purpose of the pause is to suspend these approvals in order

1041
01:28:59,270 --> 01:29:03,710
to provide the county with an opportunity to review and adopt regulations and zoning

1042
01:29:03,710 --> 01:29:09,430
ordinance text amendments related to Deguitor Center, use conditions, and perform any

1043
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:12,210
needed studies or analysis related to the same.

1044
01:29:12,210 --> 01:29:18,250
If the purpose of the pause is to review and adopt text amendments in new studies, why would

1045
01:29:18,250 --> 01:29:24,330
you want staff to simultaneously be obligated to review a new submission by AWS or Natalya

1046
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:30,970
or another data center developer during the moratorium using the existing rules, it makes

1047
01:29:30,970 --> 01:29:36,230
no sense to burden staff with this if the zoning rules and conditions are going to change.

1048
01:29:36,230 --> 01:29:42,950
More importantly now, AWS has officially withdrawn their site plan, and therefore today,

1049
01:29:43,290 --> 01:29:50,670
no data center company, including AWS, can alleged any harm or damage by pausing the county review process.

1050
01:29:52,050 --> 01:29:59,050
Why should data center companies even submit site plans based on a county code under revision as we speak?

1051
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,220
Taxes of the current ordinance findings provide the rationale for this proposed amendment, and no new findings would be required.

1052
01:30:09,060 --> 01:30:20,420
As stated in the ordinance, the board finds that additional time is needed to review regulations concerning data center developments, and to prepare and consider related zoning ordinance steps amendments.

1053
01:30:20,420 --> 01:30:27,920
As stated in the ordinance, data centers may involve substantial land disturbance, electrical and mechanical equipment,

1054
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:35,280
backup generators, cooling systems, storm water, and wastewater considerations, noise, heat, water demand,

1055
01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:40,380
and other environmental and infrastructure impacts that weren't careful review.

1056
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:45,240
As already stated in the draft, the development of large scale data centers

1057
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:58,240
is a relatively new and evolving land use in many jurisdictions, including the county, and local governments are working to understand their long-term impacts on land use, infrastructure, and surrounding communities.

1058
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:09,480
All these findings in the draft ordinance provide a foundation for a total pause, not just on site plan approvals, but that county processing and review.

1059
01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:15,840
Please consider thisological amendment to the moratorium, but in any event, please pass the

1060
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,800
moratorium to ensure that the county has the proper rules in place.

1061
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:26,100
Please vote for the final finding of the ordinance which states that, based on due consideration

1062
01:31:26,100 --> 01:31:32,000
of the comments of the public and staff and in furtherance of the public health, safety and welfare,

1063
01:31:32,540 --> 01:31:37,620
it is in the best interest of citizens of Calvert County to impose a temporary moratorium.

1064
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:38,620
Thank you.

1065
01:31:38,620 --> 01:31:39,440
Thank you.

1066
01:31:45,610 --> 01:31:48,170
Nancy L. Wine, following that Bob Estes.

1067
01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:55,420
Nancy L. Wine, Camp Canoy Road, speaking as an individual.

1068
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:00,880
At the last board meeting, we celebrated the news that Amazon had withdrawn their site plan,

1069
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,860
but this does not stop other big tech corporations from trying to build here.

1070
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:09,640
You see, consolation will stop at nothing to get what they want.

1071
01:32:10,180 --> 01:32:14,700
Accountee followed massive hyperscale data centers that will increase their own income.

1072
01:32:14,700 --> 01:32:17,640
It doesn't matter to them that they would literally destroy

1073
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,400
cover county in the process.

1074
01:32:20,220 --> 01:32:22,960
We need to stop playing whack-a-mal with the tech giants.

1075
01:32:23,540 --> 01:32:24,480
The answer is simple.

1076
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,120
It's all about the zoning.

1077
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,760
Consolation either hoodwinked or strong-armed

1078
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,120
the county to change the zoning on their 800 acres

1079
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,900
from forced and farming to heavy industrial.

1080
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,860
This was done illegally without due notice to affected neighbors.

1081
01:32:41,220 --> 01:32:43,800
It was simply slipped into the comprehensive plan

1082
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:45,920
in a completely illegal maneuver.

1083
01:32:46,660 --> 01:32:47,900
Again, the answer is simple.

1084
01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:51,000
Change that 800 acres from heavy industrial

1085
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,900
back to the forest and farming that it has been for many decades.

1086
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,740
Then no big tech corporation can build that.

1087
01:33:04,580 --> 01:33:05,820
Change it back.

1088
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,860
Change it back.

1089
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,120
There are then no big tech corporation can build data centers

1090
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,340
on that pristine forest land.

1091
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,280
The requested moratorium would be the perfect time to get that done.

1092
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,960
It will also provide the necessary time to prove how that land

1093
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:24,100
is completely unsuited to any heavy industrial use.

1094
01:33:25,500 --> 01:33:26,220
Commissioners,

1095
01:33:29,610 --> 01:33:32,330
commissioners, over 10,000 residents of

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01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:36,790
Cover County, your constituents signed a petition requesting a

1097
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:40,450
moratorium. Please honor their wishes and do the right thing for

1098
01:33:40,450 --> 01:33:42,890
Cover County by voting for this moratorium.

1099
01:33:43,450 --> 01:33:43,810
Thank you.

1100
01:33:55,220 --> 01:33:58,740
Bob Estys and following that speaker, Ethan Cox.

1101
01:34:02,950 --> 01:34:06,770
My name is Bob Estys and let's see which group do I want to

1102
01:34:06,770 --> 01:34:18,670
And let's just say it's a friends of, friends of hunting in any way, and by the way, folks,

1103
01:34:19,210 --> 01:34:26,730
I do have a legitimate problem in my brain, not just that I'm old, but if I'm staggering.

1104
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:29,130
Mr. Resties, we cannot hear you on mine, I'm sorry.

1105
01:34:29,810 --> 01:34:30,090
I know.

1106
01:34:30,650 --> 01:34:32,370
I know, I didn't want anyone else to hear you.

1107
01:34:36,210 --> 01:34:45,350
Okay, so I don't get all excited, but I'm not in favor of a six-month moratorium, wait.

1108
01:34:47,490 --> 01:34:53,290
Part of the reason is if you've ever tried to get something like that in place and get

1109
01:34:53,290 --> 01:34:59,930
you have to have basically a lot of time.

1110
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:24,680
Before you can actually get anything out of whoever is looking into that, and you're going to end up with maybe two months. Maybe three months of trying to get everything done. Well, can you extend it? Yes, legally, but that takes time too. So if you want that moratorium, it needs to be bigger, longer.

1111
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:52,980
But there's another potentially simple thing and I think at least one of the commissioners knows what I'm going to say, although they rarely know, but, and that is just make it not possible for any data center anywhere in Calber County for two, three, five years, whatever it takes.

1112
01:35:57,970 --> 01:36:06,110
That will give whoever is up there in that amount of time, time to figure out what kind

1113
01:36:06,110 --> 01:36:07,470
of information they need.

1114
01:36:08,090 --> 01:36:15,830
They can study a lot of the surrounding areas and not so surrounding areas.

1115
01:36:16,570 --> 01:36:18,690
What are they done and what's going to help?

1116
01:36:18,970 --> 01:36:24,350
They're not going to have to sit there and rush through it while who knows what other things

1117
01:36:24,350 --> 01:36:26,530
in the county is not getting done.

1118
01:36:26,530 --> 01:36:34,310
You know, they can only do so much. I mean, I know they look like superstars to you all maybe, but uh, or maybe not, but uh

1119
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:43,530
But they have an entire county to take care of not just a moratorium, or trying to figure out how to get that started

1120
01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:46,170
They need time. They need a lot of time

1121
01:36:46,170 --> 01:36:51,770
And I think if you just say no data centers period for

1122
01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:59,050
or an extended period of time, you will get what is in effect the moratorium without

1123
01:36:59,610 --> 01:37:05,590
half net actually have it, because you'll be doing the same thing, getting more information

1124
01:37:06,250 --> 01:37:12,890
from all over the place, going out and seeing the other counties, the other places, other

1125
01:37:12,890 --> 01:37:18,630
states, you will have time, and you can say, okay, we've had enough time, say you start out

1126
01:37:18,630 --> 01:37:25,570
say, we want five years that we're not going to allow any data centers in Calvary County.

1127
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:31,630
Well, you can always vote and say, well, after three years, we've got all the information,

1128
01:37:32,270 --> 01:37:34,070
and we know like it.

1129
01:37:34,570 --> 01:37:39,350
Or you could say, well, they've changed their way of doing business.

1130
01:37:39,530 --> 01:37:44,850
Maybe for some reason, we decided that maybe it is a reasonable thing to do for the county.

1131
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:47,370
I'm not saying it is, but they can change it.

1132
01:37:47,370 --> 01:37:55,110
think about that. It's a lot more flexible and it'll give you plenty of time to get it right. Thank you.

1133
01:38:01,890 --> 01:38:05,150
Ethan Cox and following that speaker Sandra Quinn.

1134
01:38:08,540 --> 01:38:10,060
Good morning again commissioners.

1135
01:38:10,300 --> 01:38:13,680
Ethan Cox candidate for district one speaking of behalf of myself today.

1136
01:38:16,270 --> 01:38:16,810
I'll cover it to the

1137
01:38:16,810 --> 01:38:24,370
chase. This moratorium must be stronger. It has to be stronger. Together we put together a movement

1138
01:38:24,370 --> 01:38:29,590
Democrats and Republicans and independence, North County and South County, new and old

1139
01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:35,550
Calvert, cat and dog people willing. Together, we put together a movement, the likes of which

1140
01:38:35,550 --> 01:38:42,050
Calvert County has never seen. And the people united were not defeated. We beat Jeff Bezos.

1141
01:38:44,430 --> 01:38:51,270
But right now, our neighbors on Camp Canoy Road and our parents and students at Southern Middle

1142
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:52,550
will still live in purgatory.

1143
01:38:53,530 --> 01:38:55,810
The way the moratorium is written right now,

1144
01:38:56,270 --> 01:38:58,230
a data center can come in with another site plan,

1145
01:38:58,550 --> 01:39:00,310
the county can consider it and engage on the process.

1146
01:39:00,410 --> 01:39:02,030
Do everything except get the final approval.

1147
01:39:02,850 --> 01:39:04,430
All it takes right now is one blink,

1148
01:39:04,930 --> 01:39:07,430
one day between moratoriums for a data center

1149
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:10,410
to go through right across the street from them.

1150
01:39:10,730 --> 01:39:13,310
The camp can only road and southern middle school communities

1151
01:39:13,310 --> 01:39:16,590
have not had peace for six months.

1152
01:39:17,130 --> 01:39:20,390
Since that job posting became public on March 2nd.

1153
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:31,930
This six-month moratorium still does not give them the peace that they enjoy before you took it away from them when you voted to rezone data centers in

1154
01:39:31,930 --> 01:39:32,650
Las Vegas

1155
01:39:33,490 --> 01:39:39,850
No application should be allowed to be accepted by the county County government should not be taken fees from them

1156
01:39:40,410 --> 01:39:46,970
The camp canoy and southern middle school communities deserve to sleep tonight for the first time in six months with peace

1157
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:52,410
knowing that a multi-billionaire, wanting to pay over their paradise, is it welcome here?

1158
01:39:53,710 --> 01:39:57,670
Extend the moratorium, make it stronger, no data centers in Calber County.

1159
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:10,020
Next speaker is Sandra Glenn following that, Sharon Cargo.

1160
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:20,600
Good morning, everybody. Hello, commissioners. I'm Sandra Glenn. I am the chair of the Southern Maryland Zero Club, and I am speaking for that group.

1161
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:29,200
Our group represents the members and supporters of the Environmental Group, the Zero Club, in Calvert, Charles and St. Mary's counties.

1162
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:32,880
Our motto is explore, enjoy, and protect the planet.

1163
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:35,740
I'm also a resident of Howard County.

1164
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:39,460
I have owned by home and lived in Lesby, Maryland for over 20 years.

1165
01:40:40,740 --> 01:40:42,500
When I tell people I live in Howard County,

1166
01:40:42,860 --> 01:40:46,460
I don't say I live in Howard County by the nuclear power plant

1167
01:40:46,460 --> 01:40:50,460
or I live in Howard County by the liquid natural gas depot.

1168
01:40:50,820 --> 01:40:54,120
I say I live in Howard County by the Chesapeake Bay.

1169
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:59,480
That bay and the historic protection river define the southern part of this county.

1170
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,660
People moved here centuries ago to live near the water.

1171
01:41:03,260 --> 01:41:07,560
They retired here and they vacation here because of the Shest Peak Bay.

1172
01:41:08,460 --> 01:41:13,440
We owe it to future generations to protect this water and I hope we can also preserve

1173
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:18,980
this wonderful way of life because there may be industrial zoning currently in areas

1174
01:41:18,980 --> 01:41:23,620
of Southern Coward County, but Lesby is first and foremost a community.

1175
01:41:25,380 --> 01:41:29,280
The developers of two large residential communities in Lesby, in the middle of the last

1176
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,780
century, may not have intended to do it, but by keeping the lots in Chesapeake Ranch and

1177
01:41:33,780 --> 01:41:38,760
White Sand's wooded, they have preserved trees that help to cool our area clean our air

1178
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,620
and prevent runoff into the bay.

1179
01:41:41,540 --> 01:41:45,280
I also think personally that driving down Rock 4 in the fall when the trees are turning

1180
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:48,760
color is one of the most beautiful drives in the world.

1181
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:54,280
So where do large AI data centers fit in this area? They don't.

1182
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:59,100
They take up too much space with non-permeable buildings and parking lots.

1183
01:41:59,660 --> 01:42:04,280
They pollute the air if they use back of diesel generators and if they're powered by fossil fuels.

1184
01:42:05,020 --> 01:42:09,280
Many of them are noisy and we are just learning about the possible effects of

1185
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:15,600
sound on humans and animals. They need huge amounts of electricity and Maryland doesn't have

1186
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:21,600
the means to supply it. The Southern Maryland Sierra Club supports the moratorium and I would

1187
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:27,500
like to add I agree with Commissioner Grasso and Individual Coward County that the moratorium

1188
01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:32,640
should include no new applications. Now submissions, no new applications for data centers,

1189
01:42:32,940 --> 01:42:39,160
while the moratorium is going on. We request that the Board of Commissioners consider

1190
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:45,160
making it long enough to do independent environmental and health studies on these hyperscal

1191
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:51,360
data centers. And if the studies determine as we think they will, that they will harm us

1192
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:57,040
our environment or our quality of life, ban them. Thank you.

1193
01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:05,750
Next speaker is Sharon Cargo

1194
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:13,770
following that Lauren Guykex. My name is Sharon Cargo and I'm representing myself, I live in St.

1195
01:43:13,770 --> 01:43:20,310
letter. I'm grateful for this public hearing on the Montatorium on data centers. I want

1196
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:25,670
to state that I support moratorium data centers, and that it should also include a citizen

1197
01:43:25,670 --> 01:43:31,910
advisory or working group that works hand in hand with the county officials on working on

1198
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:37,870
this understanding this issue. When I first talked to friends and family about plans for building

1199
01:43:37,870 --> 01:43:39,190
a data center in California.

1200
01:43:40,150 --> 01:43:43,130
Some people said, data centers are coming,

1201
01:43:43,330 --> 01:43:44,650
whether we like it or not.

1202
01:43:44,890 --> 01:43:46,110
It's just going to happen.

1203
01:43:46,230 --> 01:43:47,810
We can't stop it.

1204
01:43:48,130 --> 01:43:50,770
The implication being that people shouldn't even

1205
01:43:50,770 --> 01:43:52,250
try to stop it.

1206
01:43:52,670 --> 01:43:55,030
This California community has proved

1207
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:59,410
that this is absolutely the wrong way to think about data centers.

1208
01:44:00,030 --> 01:44:02,450
Sure, government corporations want us to think

1209
01:44:02,450 --> 01:44:04,870
that we can't do anything to stop their projects.

1210
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:17,570
In fact, we, the people of this community, are the only ones who can slow down and stop plants for data centers, thereby slowing down artificial intelligence development.

1211
01:44:18,390 --> 01:44:24,230
We have many examples of the destructive impact of data centers across the country. It's well known.

1212
01:44:24,910 --> 01:44:34,810
I'm grateful to all those who spoke about loaded written letters, petitioned, demonstrated, attended meetings in any way to express their opposition.

1213
01:44:34,810 --> 01:44:37,050
and to data centers in Calvary County.

1214
01:44:37,970 --> 01:44:40,910
Again, I strongly support a moratorium on data centers

1215
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:44,330
and support a citizen or a community group

1216
01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:46,670
assembled to work hand-in-hand with county staff

1217
01:44:46,670 --> 01:44:50,150
and officials on any possible data center development

1218
01:44:50,150 --> 01:44:51,230
plans in the future.

1219
01:44:51,650 --> 01:44:55,250
We have many professional and intelligent, highly educated people

1220
01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:58,590
in this county who would be very useful,

1221
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:59,930
I'm sure, to the county commission.

1222
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,860
And to the county, looking at this issue carefully.

1223
01:45:11,050 --> 01:45:15,010
Lauren Geigax, following that Chris Stromberg.

1224
01:45:23,480 --> 01:45:25,740
Good morning. My name is Lauren Geigax, and I'm

1225
01:45:25,740 --> 01:45:31,460
testifying on behalf of an organization, the Chesapeake Climate Action Network Action Fund.

1226
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:37,720
This is an environmental nonprofit that is working with local communities in Calvert County and

1227
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:43,060
Maryland to fight back against the rapid construction of hyperscale data centers.

1228
01:45:44,060 --> 01:45:48,580
Data centers, drain our energy and water resources, they harm our environment,

1229
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:53,980
all wall, tech companies, rake and record profits for the expansion of AI and

1230
01:45:53,980 --> 01:45:57,920
surveillance systems that we do not want. This expansion of data centers

1231
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,600
is happening faster than local and state governments have been able to

1232
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:05,120
create legislation that protects against the many harms of data centers.

1233
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:11,060
We are seeing data centers around the country that are spiking energy prices.

1234
01:46:11,780 --> 01:46:17,580
Hyperscale data centers use as much energy as 100,000 households and some instances.

1235
01:46:18,220 --> 01:46:26,560
And energy bills have already risen 74% in Maryland in part due to data center expansion in Virginia and other states in the PJM region.

1236
01:46:27,660 --> 01:46:31,400
In addition, data centers are causing water issues.

1237
01:46:32,060 --> 01:46:42,720
Hyperskill data centers can use up to 5 million gallons of water a day and a community in Georgia found their well water was drying up and contaminated after a data center was an operation nearby.

1238
01:46:43,420 --> 01:46:53,740
Additionally, there are health impacts from noise and air pollution data centers using diesel generators for even less than an hour per week.

1239
01:46:53,740 --> 01:47:00,300
creates the same public health impact as five power plants and it's enough to worse and

1240
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:05,860
long and cardiovascular conditions for people in the region. So do we want this in Calvert County?

1241
01:47:06,380 --> 01:47:14,000
We have to really, really consider these impacts and we're also seeing that now around 80%

1242
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:19,800
of Maryland's population lives in a county with a moratorium or ban on new data center development.

1243
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:24,860
In Calvert County, over 10,000 people have signed a petition calling for a moratorium.

1244
01:47:25,700 --> 01:47:28,560
So Calvert County commissioners, you must do the right thing.

1245
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:32,680
Listen to the will of your constituents and do what many other jurisdictions across Maryland

1246
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,000
have done and adopt a moratorium.

1247
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:40,100
Taking this step would allow you to develop appropriate responses to the many issues inherent

1248
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:41,780
in large data center development.

1249
01:47:42,260 --> 01:47:48,020
Currently, FERC and PGM, our regional grid manager, are working out new rules for large

1250
01:47:48,020 --> 01:47:54,800
users such as data centers, counties across the state are putting processes in place to identify

1251
01:47:54,800 --> 01:48:00,800
that key questions and develop answers and a state report on data centers is due in the

1252
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:06,840
late fall. And there may as well be action in the general assembly that will help to clarify

1253
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:12,980
new state requirements. So there's no reason to proceed now without those inputs. A more

1254
01:48:12,980 --> 01:48:19,700
is a tool to give more time to research the effects that data centers would have on the unique ecosystem in Calvert County.

1255
01:48:20,180 --> 01:48:23,800
And create the strongest possible zoning regulations to protect against data centers.

1256
01:48:24,100 --> 01:48:26,440
If residents choose to allow them at all.

1257
01:48:28,460 --> 01:48:38,400
We believe that this moratorium should be lengthened to at least 12 months to give time to fully understand the impacts with a study

1258
01:48:39,180 --> 01:48:45,740
that looks at energy, water, environment, noise, and construction, but ultimately, a more

1259
01:48:45,740 --> 01:48:47,740
TORM is the way forward here.

1260
01:48:47,980 --> 01:48:48,940
Thank you so much.

1261
01:48:55,900 --> 01:48:58,560
Chris Drumberg, following that Jeff Dixon,

1262
01:49:02,980 --> 01:49:06,060
Chris Drumberg, speaking on behalf of myself as the

1263
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:06,820
county taxpayer.

1264
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:14,660
So people have talked a lot about the effects of the data centers on our community.

1265
01:49:14,660 --> 01:49:18,540
And I think I want to talk briefly about the economic effects.

1266
01:49:19,740 --> 01:49:25,840
I strongly support a moratorium that is both longer and stronger than we've discussed today.

1267
01:49:26,500 --> 01:49:29,560
I think that what we have here is the beginnings.

1268
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:34,840
It's a down payment, but what we need to do is think hard about what needs to be done next.

1269
01:49:35,020 --> 01:49:36,740
And that will take a lot of time and work.

1270
01:49:36,740 --> 01:49:45,260
You know, we have, get this count to, we have cooked point, we have Calvert Cliffs, and these

1271
01:49:45,260 --> 01:49:47,960
are multi-generational investments in our count to you.

1272
01:49:48,180 --> 01:49:49,940
I have lasted for decades.

1273
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,280
Data centers will be the same for us.

1274
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:55,700
So we need to think about this in those terms.

1275
01:49:55,900 --> 01:49:59,360
This is a big investment that will last a long time for us.

1276
01:50:00,910 --> 01:50:08,990
Data Centers, the people who place those data centers, they measure them in two ways. Where's the water? Where's the power? That's what they want.

1277
01:50:09,630 --> 01:50:13,110
So what do they give us? Well, they give us millions of dollars in tax revenue.

1278
01:50:14,230 --> 01:50:20,950
And if you look at the county, economic development plan, where are data centers in that plan? I don't know. I haven't seen it.

1279
01:50:21,390 --> 01:50:29,910
So I think we need to think about this in terms of the greater development of the county. We're losing population. We need to create jobs.

1280
01:50:29,910 --> 01:50:34,190
Data Centers give us revenue, but that revenue may go.

1281
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:37,150
Next year, a new technology comes out.

1282
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:40,270
Elon Musk puts data centers in space.

1283
01:50:40,970 --> 01:50:42,590
This thing here, obsolete.

1284
01:50:43,330 --> 01:50:44,550
No more tax revenue.

1285
01:50:45,810 --> 01:50:49,030
So, we need to think in terms of the long run.

1286
01:50:49,870 --> 01:50:54,590
So, what do we do with our economic development plan and how do these investments fit that?

1287
01:50:55,870 --> 01:51:01,330
So that's my ask for the commission to think about that.

1288
01:51:01,330 --> 01:51:02,270
Thank you.

1289
01:51:02,270 --> 01:51:02,670
Thank you.

1290
01:51:08,150 --> 01:51:11,790
Next speaker, Jeff Dixon, following that, Elena Davis.

1291
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:14,490
Good morning.

1292
01:51:15,710 --> 01:51:17,010
Good afternoon, commissioners.

1293
01:51:17,110 --> 01:51:18,050
I'm speaking for myself.

1294
01:51:18,290 --> 01:51:19,030
My name is Jeff Dixon.

1295
01:51:19,690 --> 01:51:20,270
Let's be Maryland.

1296
01:51:21,110 --> 01:51:22,750
First, I'd like to thank commissioners.

1297
01:51:22,930 --> 01:51:23,810
My card.

1298
01:51:24,050 --> 01:51:29,230
Thank Catherine Kugrasso for being persistent to introduce the moratorium for at least six times in the past.

1299
01:51:29,230 --> 01:51:32,730
It's been a bumpy road with vehicle procedures changing or being forced.

1300
01:51:33,790 --> 01:51:36,570
Hopefully this time it will get finally approved.

1301
01:51:37,610 --> 01:51:38,230
Second,

1302
01:51:40,290 --> 01:51:42,690
Commissioner Grasso, I saw your video yesterday.

1303
01:51:44,190 --> 01:51:47,290
Thank you for creating guidelines during the moratorium.

1304
01:51:48,770 --> 01:51:51,490
Thanks for addressing the zoning ordinances.

1305
01:51:51,570 --> 01:51:55,190
Ordnance needs to be rolled back to the original comprehensive plan.

1306
01:51:56,070 --> 01:52:02,830
Thanks for addressing an environmental study for this, for that is a unique to cover counting.

1307
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:08,530
It is my hope, Hans Cox and Ireland commissioners finally approve the more which one

1308
01:52:08,530 --> 01:52:09,630
and make it stronger.

1309
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:11,230
Let's get this approved.

1310
01:52:11,450 --> 01:52:12,490
Thank you very much.

1311
01:52:17,490 --> 01:52:20,070
Elena Davis and following that Jake Burdett.

1312
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,560
I'm going to be speaking for our group.

1313
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,560
are you going to be seeking for?

1314
01:52:33,860 --> 01:52:36,440
Charles County Against Data Centers Coalition.

1315
01:52:38,460 --> 01:52:41,880
Hello commissioners. My name is Alana Davis.

1316
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:47,120
I'm here along with others as part of the Charles County Against Data Centers Coalition.

1317
01:52:47,860 --> 01:52:54,560
To so solidarity against data centers with our fellow Southern Maryland residents here in Calvert County.

1318
01:52:55,680 --> 01:53:01,960
We also just passed a moratorium in Charles County on July 21st that would effectively

1319
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:08,180
put a stop to all data center development and zoning, and so I came here to testify in

1320
01:53:08,180 --> 01:53:14,520
support of a moratorium here in Calvary County as well because this issue crosses county

1321
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:15,260
lines.

1322
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:20,720
There were a lot of people in our community and even within our own coalition who questioned

1323
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:26,040
the validity of pushing for a moratorium because of past failures, but myself and others

1324
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:31,040
saw the potential continuing the call for one and through education and community support

1325
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:36,900
we finally got a moratorium past and even if not on the first time, even if not on the first

1326
01:53:36,900 --> 01:53:41,800
time it was proposed. I am happy that our county commissioners and Charles County learned

1327
01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:46,780
from their past mistakes and after voting down a moratorium the first time around that

1328
01:53:46,780 --> 01:53:52,940
unanimously voted to pass a moratorium when it came up again for a vote a second time last month.

1329
01:53:53,760 --> 01:54:00,500
I'm excited that you all as the Calberate County Commissioners now have an opportunity to pursue a similar course of action here.

1330
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:05,700
For those of you who lost your primary elections for voting against the status and a moratorium in the past,

1331
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:13,020
it may be too late for you to win your elections, but it's definitely still not too late to come over to the correct side of history.

1332
01:54:13,020 --> 01:54:20,320
and vote in favor of the environment, health, safety, property values, and quality of life for your constituents.

1333
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,860
That is what this vote today allows you to do.

1334
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:32,700
To clearly show that you are on the side of regular working people, rather than with the tele, Amazon and the data center industry,

1335
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:35,400
and I hope that you all will vote accordingly.

1336
01:54:40,010 --> 01:54:45,250
I should also add that even if you do all do the right thing today and vote to pass this moratorium,

1337
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:51,330
The fight does not stop there, a moratorium only provides temporary relief from these harmful

1338
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:53,670
data centers for Calbrac County residents.

1339
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:59,810
But the only thing that guarantees permanent safety for Calbrac County residents is an outright.

1340
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,820
Countywide permanent ban on data centers.

1341
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:09,800
This is what we are now calling for on child's county and we encourage

1342
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:16,260
county residents to do the same, rather than allowing the data center companies to use the extra time that a more

1343
01:55:16,260 --> 01:55:24,080
time will grant them to regroup and make a renewable, donated push for, say, regulated data centers or renewable energy

1344
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:31,160
powered data centers, six months from now. By calling for a permanent ban on data centers, we are not

1345
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:36,360
asking for anything at all unreasonable, unprecedented, unprecedented, or extreme.

1346
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:41,000
Instead, we are just asking that you all do what the county council and county executive

1347
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,600
already unanimously did in Hartford County,

1348
01:55:45,940 --> 01:55:48,780
and pass the legislative ban on data centers.

1349
01:55:49,660 --> 01:55:54,280
If they can ban data centers in Hartford County, then they can ban them here in Southern Maryland,

1350
01:55:54,660 --> 01:55:59,460
which is an even more delicate environment environment farmland to protect, thank you all.

1351
01:56:08,860 --> 01:56:13,360
Next speaker is Jake Burdett following that Bob Landon.

1352
01:56:18,910 --> 01:56:21,750
Name is Jake Burdett speaking on behalf of myself today.

1353
01:56:22,630 --> 01:56:26,370
I currently live in Howard County, Maryland, but I've been involved with the Charles

1354
01:56:26,370 --> 01:56:30,070
County against data centers coalition for the last six months or so.

1355
01:56:30,350 --> 01:56:34,350
Where I currently live in Howard County, our county council there passed a 17 month

1356
01:56:34,350 --> 01:56:36,190
moratorium on data center development.

1357
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:40,970
And yes, in Charles County where I've been organizing in status centers more recently

1358
01:56:40,970 --> 01:56:46,730
may move too soon. They also just implemented an effective moratorium last month. Howard County

1359
01:56:46,730 --> 01:56:50,750
and Charles County are just two of many jurisdictions all across the state and country who are

1360
01:56:50,750 --> 01:56:55,910
making the wise decision to hesitate before deciding to just jump right into opening the flood

1361
01:56:55,910 --> 01:57:01,130
gates to data center construction. I hope that Howard County joins that growing consensus by voting

1362
01:57:01,130 --> 01:57:07,050
and support of this moratorium today. However, I would also call for the need for this moratorium

1363
01:57:07,050 --> 01:57:11,090
to be significantly strengthened through amendments, including by lengthening it.

1364
01:57:11,310 --> 01:57:15,670
For my understanding, this more toy mass proposed would only prevent site plan approvals

1365
01:57:15,670 --> 01:57:16,970
for this six month period.

1366
01:57:17,370 --> 01:57:21,510
But very importantly, this more toy would not have any effect on the acceptance, processing

1367
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:26,730
review or approval of new and pending applications, conditional use permits or building permits.

1368
01:57:26,990 --> 01:57:31,790
This, in effect, means that even if data center developers won't be able to receive final approval

1369
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:36,230
for their projects during this six month period, they'll still be able to continue shepherding

1370
01:57:36,230 --> 01:57:40,190
their projects along in the county process so that as soon as that six month more

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01:57:40,190 --> 01:57:44,530
toym ends, they can almost immediately receive approval right after that.

1372
01:57:44,810 --> 01:57:48,630
I highly doubt that this is what residents who are calling for a more toym had in mind,

1373
01:57:48,850 --> 01:57:53,050
and that the more toym is passing this current iteration, it would appear to just have the

1374
01:57:53,050 --> 01:57:57,630
illusion of standing up to the data center industry without the actual effect of it.

1375
01:57:57,830 --> 01:58:03,110
In Charles County, we had similar concerns that a more toym, if it didn't address the

1376
01:58:03,110 --> 01:58:09,550
Potential zoning changes to allow for data centers. It would be toothless, luckily, the moratorium there

1377
01:58:09,550 --> 01:58:15,570
Does pause the zoning process, and so all that is say, I would strongly urge you all to follow commissioner

1378
01:58:15,570 --> 01:58:22,130
Grasso's recommendation to revert Calvert County zoning code back to what it was before data centers

1379
01:58:22,130 --> 01:58:23,950
We'll allow the bill fair

1380
01:58:23,950 --> 01:58:29,570
And then after that after the moratorium ends the county can decide if they want to move forward again

1381
01:58:29,570 --> 01:58:33,150
with considering the zoning changes needed for data centers in counter-counting.

1382
01:58:33,330 --> 01:58:33,490
Thank you.

1383
01:58:40,260 --> 01:58:45,400
Next speaker is Bob Landon and following that, Mark Sennfrieda.

1384
01:58:49,600 --> 01:58:50,160
Excuse me.

1385
01:58:52,290 --> 01:58:54,830
Before I get started, I just want to make a point from Mr. Grasso.

1386
01:58:55,090 --> 01:58:58,610
I mentioned something earlier about corporations

1387
01:58:58,610 --> 01:59:01,710
or some companies worrying about their first amendment, right?

1388
01:59:01,710 --> 01:59:05,190
I'm pretty sure that the first amendment is not

1389
01:59:05,190 --> 01:59:05,610
protected.

1390
01:59:05,910 --> 01:59:06,710
Corporations are accomplished.

1391
01:59:08,050 --> 01:59:08,710
But onto the point.

1392
01:59:12,510 --> 01:59:14,110
Okay, I'll be better about it.

1393
01:59:14,250 --> 01:59:15,950
I should know the guys in the back are laughing at me.

1394
01:59:16,190 --> 01:59:19,510
Mr. Lannick, can you please state, are you speaking as an individual today or is it a group?

1395
01:59:19,710 --> 01:59:20,290
Oh, I'm sorry.

1396
01:59:20,670 --> 01:59:20,810
Hi.

1397
01:59:21,070 --> 01:59:23,450
Bob Landau, I'm from Tuskegee Beach, and I'm speaking as an individual.

1398
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:25,770
Sorry about that.

1399
01:59:26,750 --> 01:59:34,290
In my almost 30 years here in this county, I've never heard or smelled an issue that got so much attention and controversy.

1400
01:59:34,850 --> 01:59:43,370
And I think there's a good reason for it, but today, we're not deciding on anything about whether the data center will go in or not.

1401
01:59:43,670 --> 01:59:44,730
It's about the moratorium.

1402
01:59:45,450 --> 01:59:48,590
And I think Mr. Grausio and Mike, for putting that up.

1403
01:59:49,070 --> 01:59:52,490
But I'm richly, Mike, I'm sorry, Mr. Mishkaard.

1404
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:53,230
That's fine.

1405
01:59:53,370 --> 01:59:53,690
I'm sorry.

1406
01:59:54,090 --> 01:59:54,110
I'm sorry.

1407
01:59:54,110 --> 01:59:54,150
I'm sorry.

1408
01:59:54,150 --> 01:59:54,210
I'm sorry.

1409
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,800
But some of the other counties around have done. I'm just trying to figure out where that went and became down to this candy ass six month deal.

1410
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:23,700
Because that doesn't do any good, as people said. And the real deal is that we don't know enough. Nobody in this county, we don't want very few people in this county are experts on it, but no disrespect intended.

1411
02:00:23,700 --> 02:00:26,440
And you are not experts on this area either.

1412
02:00:27,340 --> 02:00:35,100
So it is your duty as civic leaders to take the information in from the people who are.

1413
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:41,620
We need to have proper studies and opinions from people who have gone through this time and

1414
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:43,680
do this for a living.

1415
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:45,420
So they know what's really going on.

1416
02:00:45,900 --> 02:00:48,480
We cannot make a decision without knowing the full facts.

1417
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:49,920
That's the whole point of a democracy.

1418
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:56,940
Now, I'm against data centers personally, but I don't know enough, so I'm also a reasonable

1419
02:00:56,940 --> 02:01:02,220
person, I think, and think that if there's time a lot of it, if the experts get together

1420
02:01:02,220 --> 02:01:10,900
and put together hard information data and what their professional opinions are, we should

1421
02:01:10,900 --> 02:01:16,960
be listening to them, because what happens here, most of us are on the wrong side of the

1422
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:24,520
But this can be affecting people for generations to come, and that's our responsibility, too.

1423
02:01:26,380 --> 02:01:29,380
And I guess that's what I have to say, so thank you for asking me.

1424
02:01:34,610 --> 02:01:39,650
Mark Sinfrieda, I'm sorry if I'm mispronounced in that name and following that Megan Faringer.

1425
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:47,240
Mark, you're free to.

1426
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:49,720
It's always mismilled.

1427
02:01:49,980 --> 02:01:54,420
That mispronounced all of 75 years I've been that name.

1428
02:01:54,420 --> 02:01:56,660
I've been here down here for a little bit.

1429
02:01:56,660 --> 02:01:59,020
Sir, what are you speaking as an individual today, or is it a group?

1430
02:01:59,320 --> 02:01:59,560
What?

1431
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:03,080
Will you be speaking today for your testimony as a group or an individual?

1432
02:02:04,220 --> 02:02:05,500
I'm an individual.

1433
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:08,560
I've moved in, uh,

1434
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:14,040
those of you for 38 years, 48 years in this county.

1435
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:18,680
And I've helped the poor and disadvantaged here.

1436
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:25,080
The AI centers are not needed in America.

1437
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:31,120
It's not data centers as AI data centers are

1438
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:33,160
trying to produce in our county.

1439
02:02:34,440 --> 02:02:37,520
If the data centers are so good for this county,

1440
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:40,280
why don't you put them in Owens or Dunkirk?

1441
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:43,780
Why don't you, you know, we in love

1442
02:02:43,780 --> 02:02:47,760
be have a no pollution, the sound and air pollution.

1443
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:55,920
I have, I've met a couple that came from my Baltimore County to vacation in Les B and

1444
02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:01,540
Solomon's last week and they, the electricity went out and they opened the windows up and

1445
02:03:01,540 --> 02:03:06,980
they heard this jet sound at 10 o'clock at night and they couldn't figure out what that was and

1446
02:03:06,980 --> 02:03:12,900
I said, well that's the LNG plant and you know, you can't really hear it during the day but

1447
02:03:12,900 --> 02:03:15,240
definitely here at it night in the morning.

1448
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:23,220
We don't, we don't need the AI data center and the

1449
02:03:23,220 --> 02:03:30,080
moratorium great. Try to get that done for for election reasons or whatever reasons you're doing it,

1450
02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:38,960
but we don't, we don't need it, we don't want it, and please just say no to it completely for a

1451
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:40,140
Thank you.

1452
02:03:46,420 --> 02:03:49,680
Next speaker is Megan Farringer, following that Lily Sheeline.

1453
02:03:53,530 --> 02:03:55,810
Megan Farringer from Lesby and I'll be speaking as an individual.

1454
02:03:57,130 --> 02:03:57,510
Good morning.

1455
02:03:58,010 --> 02:04:01,510
Before I address the board, I'd like to take the opportunity to say something to the

1456
02:04:01,510 --> 02:04:02,810
People of Calvary County.

1457
02:04:04,770 --> 02:04:05,230
Thank you.

1458
02:04:05,730 --> 02:04:10,230
Thank you for standing with the residents of Lesby, including the residents of Camp Canoybro.

1459
02:04:10,750 --> 02:04:14,090
Thank you for seeing a third large-scale project,

1460
02:04:14,090 --> 02:04:20,250
slide through coming into Las B and join us in demanding answers, transparency and a pause.

1461
02:04:20,850 --> 02:04:25,070
Thank you for organizing, whether it was for information sessions in public libraries,

1462
02:04:25,790 --> 02:04:30,310
for organizing protests and rallies, and for organizing individual groups and non-profits

1463
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:35,810
to help give support to those who want to continue to exercise their rights as an American citizen.

1464
02:04:36,690 --> 02:04:42,110
To the board, it's taken six months to get here, where your constituents have been heard

1465
02:04:42,110 --> 02:04:45,330
after months of demands, as much as I'm tempted to say,

1466
02:04:45,550 --> 02:04:47,330
thank you for finally listening to us.

1467
02:04:47,450 --> 02:04:49,250
It shouldn't have taken us this long.

1468
02:04:49,850 --> 02:04:52,650
You should note that this has unified this county

1469
02:04:52,650 --> 02:04:54,690
in a way that I never thought would happen.

1470
02:04:55,170 --> 02:04:57,450
We had three political parties that could

1471
02:04:57,450 --> 02:04:59,950
converge with each other on one singular topic with-

1472
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:05,180
Now shouting obscenities at each other, especially during the primaries, everyone was hanging out and talking

1473
02:05:05,180 --> 02:05:11,620
together and not shouting out of each other. We had youth and elder individuals who weren't sitting

1474
02:05:11,620 --> 02:05:16,180
around waving fist at each other and complaining about back in my day, this thing would happen.

1475
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:22,640
If you strengthen this moreatorium and approve it today, it's going to solidify this unity

1476
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:27,920
that we can all come together as a Calvary County, and focus on the betterment of Calvary County's

1477
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:32,820
I also want to say thank you to Charles County for coming out to support us as well.

1478
02:05:37,470 --> 02:05:39,610
Perhaps that we are not like other counties.

1479
02:05:39,970 --> 02:05:41,110
We are still different.

1480
02:05:41,710 --> 02:05:46,470
We are covered strong, we are loves be strong, and we deserve to have a strong impactful

1481
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:47,090
moratorium.

1482
02:05:47,530 --> 02:05:48,430
Thank you.

1483
02:05:55,620 --> 02:05:58,040
Lily, she-line, following that, Lynn Zousa.

1484
02:05:59,160 --> 02:05:59,220
Hi.

1485
02:05:59,400 --> 02:05:59,920
Thank you.

1486
02:06:00,220 --> 02:06:03,300
I'm Lily, she-line, a reporter public speaking for myself.

1487
02:06:04,860 --> 02:06:06,440
Thank you for having us here in commissioners.

1488
02:06:06,580 --> 02:06:08,020
It's been a long haul.

1489
02:06:08,020 --> 02:06:12,800
I want to let you know that I have already submitted comments, more detailed comments in advance,

1490
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,740
but I want to make a few points here.

1491
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:18,540
Now that we are dealing with a moratorium, let's make it meaningful.

1492
02:06:19,360 --> 02:06:23,040
One of the first ways to do that is to make an actual time frame that makes sense.

1493
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:24,260
We need to extend it.

1494
02:06:24,380 --> 02:06:28,480
In six months, you can't even just looking at the studies aspect of it.

1495
02:06:28,660 --> 02:06:33,440
To identify the studies you want to get to review existing studies, to design new studies,

1496
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:38,200
together the information to review the information, to present the information to the public,

1497
02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:44,020
which I assume the board would do, to get common to review all of that. It's never going

1498
02:06:44,020 --> 02:06:50,620
to happen in six months. So please extend it. At least a year, two years would be better, make

1499
02:06:50,620 --> 02:06:57,760
it meaningful. Please make this more to our meaningful. Secondly, also along the lines of making

1500
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:04,300
more Tory meaningful. The language is so vague as to be meaningless. It needs to be strengthened.

1501
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:09,140
There's been a lot of suggestions about it. Patrick Flaherty has presented with you guys

1502
02:07:09,140 --> 02:07:16,060
with a very well-constructed proposal. Please adopt the language in that proposal for

1503
02:07:16,060 --> 02:07:23,140
more Tory of language. Make it work. Thirdly, well, also we need immediate reversion of the zoning.

1504
02:07:23,140 --> 02:07:26,680
I just wanted to make that and reiterate that point of gratitude.

1505
02:07:27,480 --> 02:07:31,160
Lastly, please look around this room.

1506
02:07:32,820 --> 02:07:36,360
Almost everybody here has gray hair if they have hair at all,

1507
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:38,620
or it's not colored, okay?

1508
02:07:39,220 --> 02:07:42,860
So you guys, and this pre-seeds you, okay?

1509
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:43,900
I get this.

1510
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:49,000
These public hearings cannot continue to happen during the work day.

1511
02:07:49,220 --> 02:07:52,480
People are working, they're taking care of their kids,

1512
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:58,000
They're taking care of their parents, people cannot attend this.

1513
02:07:58,220 --> 02:08:02,180
It's been a lot of the same people, and thank you to folks who are showing up here for the

1514
02:08:02,180 --> 02:08:04,600
first time including from our neighboring counties.

1515
02:08:05,140 --> 02:08:09,800
But these things to be meaningful have got to be made here in that people can attend.

1516
02:08:10,140 --> 02:08:11,180
Thank you.

1517
02:08:17,670 --> 02:08:19,750
Lynn Zousa, and following that Andy Ellis.

1518
02:08:25,380 --> 02:08:26,180
Hello, commissioners.

1519
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:31,060
I'm Lynn Zousa, I live in Solomon's, and I'm speaking on behalf of Concerned Citizens

1520
02:08:31,060 --> 02:08:31,700
of Calder.

1521
02:08:32,580 --> 02:08:39,580
As a surprise to you, I'm here to thank you for holding this hearing and I want to make

1522
02:08:39,580 --> 02:08:42,840
clear that I support the more of the moratorium was proposed.

1523
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:48,420
I also support those individuals who have been proposing strengthening the moratorium.

1524
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:54,280
I'm not sure whether you're actually going to do that if you do vote on it, but if you

1525
02:08:54,280 --> 02:08:59,820
do, there's one other step that you can take that will really strengthen our protections as residents

1526
02:08:59,820 --> 02:09:05,360
here in Calvert County, and that is changing the zoning back to forest and farming instead

1527
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:06,300
of heavy industry.

1528
02:09:11,780 --> 02:09:19,580
Combination of those two activities, namely adopting a moratorium and changing the zoning,

1529
02:09:20,180 --> 02:09:26,700
will give us the protection that we need, long enough for you, for your environmental

1530
02:09:26,700 --> 02:09:32,580
commission, for citizens' groups, to do the studies necessary, to identify the potential

1531
02:09:32,580 --> 02:09:35,160
problems that we could see here in the county.

1532
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:38,940
I'd also like to shift the focus a little bit.

1533
02:09:39,340 --> 02:09:41,140
Most people today who have been talking

1534
02:09:41,140 --> 02:09:43,540
have been addressing the environmental impact.

1535
02:09:44,060 --> 02:09:47,000
That's legitimate, it's appropriate, and it should be done.

1536
02:09:47,780 --> 02:09:50,540
Only two people have addressed the question of financing.

1537
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,200
Commissioner Grasso pointed out that in February,

1538
02:09:54,820 --> 02:09:56,160
her electric bill tripled.

1539
02:09:57,480 --> 02:09:59,920
Even if we totally block a data set.

1540
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:09,380
Senator Ian Calvert County. We will still be affected by the price increases that data centers are generating throughout the PGM system.

1541
02:10:10,380 --> 02:10:16,080
I think that we need to look at that not just because of the billing that we're going to get.

1542
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:29,000
But the increase in electrical consumption by data centers that are going to be coming online in the PGM system are going to be jeopardizing the stability of that electrical system.

1543
02:10:29,000 --> 02:10:35,620
There will be brownouts, and PJM has reported repeatedly the potential of blackouts.

1544
02:10:36,220 --> 02:10:41,160
There's an additional problem that we have to face that we ask you to keep in mind.

1545
02:10:41,540 --> 02:10:51,160
And that is that there is an increase in power companies shutting off the electricity to clients that can't afford to pay their electrical bills.

1546
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:55,160
And they certainly could not afford to pay increased electrical bills.

1547
02:10:55,160 --> 02:11:01,640
So, I am proposing that in addition to the environmental studies that you're proposing in the

1548
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:08,200
moratorium, you also add a dimension to the work done by the several bodies that you're

1549
02:11:08,200 --> 02:11:14,180
going to be empowering to do the studies here so that we will not only be looking to the

1550
02:11:14,180 --> 02:11:19,860
environmental impact of data centers, we will also be looking to the economic impact that's

1551
02:11:19,860 --> 02:11:30,400
going to be having on corporate residents, retirees, students, businesses, nurses, newly graduates,

1552
02:11:31,380 --> 02:11:38,120
come in as shares companies and so forth, so that we can get a comprehensive view of what

1553
02:11:38,120 --> 02:11:41,560
data centers could, what their impact could be on all of us.

1554
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:48,820
So, thank you for this opportunity to address you, and I look forward to your taking seriously,

1555
02:11:48,820 --> 02:11:52,600
the numerous recommendations to strengthen the moratorium.

1556
02:11:53,140 --> 02:11:53,520
Thank you.

1557
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:53,840
Thank you.

1558
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:01,700
Andy Ellis, and following that, Sherry Verdun.

1559
02:12:05,370 --> 02:12:06,430
Can you hear me?

1560
02:12:06,910 --> 02:12:07,730
My name is Andy Ellis.

1561
02:12:07,890 --> 02:12:08,970
I'm speaking as an individual.

1562
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:11,470
I'm Andy Ellis.

1563
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:13,530
I'm running for Governor as a Green Party candidate.

1564
02:12:13,710 --> 02:12:16,410
We're running on a platform of a statewide band of data centers,

1565
02:12:16,650 --> 02:12:18,710
repealing the tax breaks that exist right now,

1566
02:12:19,230 --> 02:12:23,270
and making sure that the MDE actually does its job in places where data centers exist.

1567
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:27,870
and so in that regard I've been traveling around the state to all the counties that are fighting

1568
02:12:27,870 --> 02:12:29,570
against data centers that are coming.

1569
02:12:29,850 --> 02:12:35,190
I live in Baltimore City and May we passed a one-year moratorium and our county, our city leaders

1570
02:12:35,190 --> 02:12:38,370
told us at the time that we had a year to figure out what we were going to do.

1571
02:12:38,710 --> 02:12:43,190
Well, next Thursday there's a zoning hearing in order to allow data centers in industrial

1572
02:12:43,190 --> 02:12:44,590
areas in Baltimore City.

1573
02:12:44,650 --> 02:12:46,830
What do industrial areas in Baltimore City look like?

1574
02:12:47,030 --> 02:12:47,770
We looked at the map.

1575
02:12:47,850 --> 02:12:50,810
They look like places next to rivers, streams, forests.

1576
02:12:50,810 --> 02:12:53,350
They look like places next to farms and homes.

1577
02:12:53,850 --> 02:12:55,690
We know that we're going to have data,

1578
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:57,790
and even though we're under a moratorium,

1579
02:12:58,110 --> 02:13:00,010
we're still faced with zoning that's

1580
02:13:00,010 --> 02:13:01,350
going to put it right in our neighborhoods.

1581
02:13:01,790 --> 02:13:04,550
So I'd say that it's a caution about what the moratorium does.

1582
02:13:04,850 --> 02:13:06,330
Second thing I want to say is that I was on Frederick

1583
02:13:06,330 --> 02:13:08,330
last night, we're 17-day-to-centered already

1584
02:13:08,330 --> 02:13:10,010
exist in the county, and I was talking to somebody

1585
02:13:10,010 --> 02:13:12,950
who has an active project, 500 feet from her home.

1586
02:13:13,090 --> 02:13:16,210
She explained to us that it has destroyed her community.

1587
02:13:16,490 --> 02:13:17,730
It has destroyed her home.

1588
02:13:17,770 --> 02:13:18,650
She can't get peace.

1589
02:13:18,830 --> 02:13:19,570
She can't get sleep.

1590
02:13:19,570 --> 02:13:24,950
She cannot enjoy the home that she's built, the yard, her garden, any of those things.

1591
02:13:25,150 --> 02:13:29,190
So I encourage anybody who wants to think about data centers coming here to go visit the

1592
02:13:29,190 --> 02:13:29,990
people on Adam's time.

1593
02:13:30,190 --> 02:13:32,910
You don't got to go to Valden County, you don't got to go to Virginia, you don't

1594
02:13:32,910 --> 02:13:36,350
go to a Frederick where it's already happening where they're already being built and people

1595
02:13:36,350 --> 02:13:38,210
are already feeling the effects of it.

1596
02:13:38,350 --> 02:13:42,550
The third thing, as I heard mentioned, the Governor Moore says the data centers are inevitable

1597
02:13:42,550 --> 02:13:46,190
and I know some of you were at make-o this weekend where there were panels for people who

1598
02:13:46,190 --> 02:13:48,770
on his administration said the same thing.

1599
02:13:49,030 --> 02:13:50,430
MPJM said the same thing.

1600
02:13:50,650 --> 02:13:52,370
With all due respect to Governor Moore,

1601
02:13:52,370 --> 02:13:53,950
he does not get to decide that.

1602
02:13:54,230 --> 02:13:56,430
The people of Calvary County, the people of Maryland,

1603
02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:59,530
are local and state officials decide that.

1604
02:14:04,510 --> 02:14:05,970
And I encourage you to make the decision

1605
02:14:05,970 --> 02:14:08,450
that is best for the people of Calvary County today.

1606
02:14:08,810 --> 02:14:09,110
Thank you.

1607
02:14:14,860 --> 02:14:17,460
Sherry Verdon and following that Joseph Oliver.

1608
02:14:22,060 --> 02:14:23,900
I'm sure he said that for those

1609
02:14:23,900 --> 02:14:26,040
actually directed to the past somewhere.

1610
02:14:26,540 --> 02:14:29,260
We will, Joseph Oliver and following that

1611
02:14:29,260 --> 02:14:30,460
Amanda Johnston.

1612
02:14:41,060 --> 02:14:41,400
Good afternoon.

1613
02:14:41,580 --> 02:14:45,120
My name is Joseph Oliver, and I'm speaking for myself.

1614
02:14:46,240 --> 02:14:50,580
We have to pass the data center of moratorium as it is.

1615
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:53,460
Any moratorium is better than none.

1616
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:57,540
If it needs to be refined, it can be between now and September.

1617
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,940
News is a room full of people that already know that a data center is a bad thing.

1618
02:15:05,340 --> 02:15:12,580
They don't need a study. We've heard everything about it. It's a cancer, and once it gets here, you can't get rid of it.

1619
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:24,780
We have to get this moratorium in place so that a new board of county commissioners can be put in place that will be sympathetic to and listen to the wishes of the people of Calvary County.

1620
02:15:24,780 --> 02:15:28,160
And put a stop to this nightmare before it becomes a reality.

1621
02:15:29,160 --> 02:15:30,100
Thank you.

1622
02:15:35,950 --> 02:15:38,730
Amanda Johnson and following that nail fuller.

1623
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:55,380
My name is Amanda Johnson and I'm from Charles County and I'm here speaking as an individual.

1624
02:15:56,320 --> 02:16:00,080
I'm just here to show my support for banning and stopping data centers and coward.

1625
02:16:01,340 --> 02:16:05,820
I'm from Charles and we did pass a moratorium, which was good.

1626
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:11,140
I would think I would support something stronger, I would actually support it out right

1627
02:16:11,140 --> 02:16:16,380
ban, but if we only get six months, I will let you know that I will be here to help you

1628
02:16:16,380 --> 02:16:18,140
guys fight every step of the way,

1629
02:16:22,130 --> 02:16:23,650
and it's all for me.

1630
02:16:28,680 --> 02:16:31,480
Now, Fuller, and following that, Sherry Verdun.

1631
02:16:38,030 --> 02:16:38,670
I am Fuller.

1632
02:16:39,010 --> 02:16:39,430
I am Fuller.

1633
02:16:39,690 --> 02:16:39,890
I am Fuller.

1634
02:16:39,890 --> 02:16:40,910
Can you speak into the mic?

1635
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:41,370
Sorry about that.

1636
02:16:41,370 --> 02:16:41,770
Greetings.

1637
02:16:42,090 --> 02:16:42,910
I am Fuller.

1638
02:16:43,090 --> 02:16:46,390
I am speaking on behalf of the Calvert County Environmental Commission.

1639
02:16:57,280 --> 02:16:59,100
I'm Dr. Dave Campbell.

1640
02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:01,490
Dr. Jeanette Walsauki.

1641
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:11,560
Our role in the town needs to advise the board to provide outreach to the public and to hear them on environmental matters.

1642
02:17:12,260 --> 02:17:14,180
We are the experts.

1643
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,400
The submitted document last week saved not been posted yet.

1644
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:19,560
It is our third submission.

1645
02:17:19,820 --> 02:17:22,980
We submitted our first submission in April and our second.

1646
02:17:22,980 --> 02:17:26,700
some 30-page recommendation in July, I believe.

1647
02:17:28,700 --> 02:17:32,120
We are supportive of the six-month auditorium.

1648
02:17:32,220 --> 02:17:34,560
Thank you to the board for pivoting.

1649
02:17:34,800 --> 02:17:42,620
As you have, we are supportive, but there are several things that need to occur first.

1650
02:17:43,340 --> 02:17:47,640
First, as we have said before, scientific studies are necessary.

1651
02:17:48,060 --> 02:17:50,280
They cannot be completed in six months.

1652
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:57,560
I'm an environmental review expert and I know you cannot complete scientifically valid studies in six months.

1653
02:17:57,980 --> 02:18:04,800
We need studies that look at at a minimum, water, heat, 16 degrees.

1654
02:18:05,560 --> 02:18:09,760
It could increase our temperature by 16 degrees. One data center could.

1655
02:18:10,260 --> 02:18:14,420
You need to look at noise, including at how that will impact schools.

1656
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:18,120
We need a worst case analysis.

1657
02:18:19,060 --> 02:18:24,000
We've heard from elsewhere in the country when these things go terribly wrong.

1658
02:18:24,380 --> 02:18:29,140
And it's too late then because the impacts have already been felt.

1659
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:32,680
Additionally, we need cumulative effects analysis,

1660
02:18:33,380 --> 02:18:36,700
and that will look at things that both says suggested,

1661
02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:43,220
like electricity usage and the prices that go with that.

1662
02:18:43,220 --> 02:18:49,800
Additionally, we need an environmental justice review because the rezoning to put more industrial

1663
02:18:49,800 --> 02:18:53,840
development in LUSPY is textbook environmental injustice.

1664
02:18:59,860 --> 02:19:07,180
And while I heard you that you want the data center applications to guide where the science

1665
02:19:07,180 --> 02:19:14,080
goes pay for by the applicants, that will not get you independently valid scientific data.

1666
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:21,300
you can do a common wide analysis. It's called a cumulative effects analysis. We can do this.

1667
02:19:22,260 --> 02:19:25,300
And we should do this. We need to do this. We owe it to our county.

1668
02:19:26,680 --> 02:19:27,320
And our public.

1669
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:37,220
We request an expansion of a moratorium to a two minimum of twenty four months or better yet

1670
02:19:37,220 --> 02:19:41,880
until the scientific analysis demonstrates that it's appropriate for our county.

1671
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:58,780
The moratorium must be expanded to include the entire process as Commissioner Grossos suggested, not limited to approvals, don't take proposals, don't take applications, no cyclans, none of it.

1672
02:19:59,640 --> 02:19:59,920
And limit.

1673
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:06,500
We did conversations with data centers. If you have to have them, that's all, all look.

1674
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:15,420
Yeah. Yeah. Our county is unique, and we need unique studies to evaluate how this will impact our county.

1675
02:20:16,920 --> 02:20:25,360
Let's see. The most cost-effective solution to avoid studies, to avoid planning and zoning staff from doing this.

1676
02:20:25,360 --> 02:20:30,960
You could ban it, and that would eliminate those of our actual communities.

1677
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:40,040
Put in the ordinance that science must support data centers.

1678
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:43,120
From what we know, it does not.

1679
02:20:43,520 --> 02:20:49,200
Our resources do not support data centers and the impacts that will come with them.

1680
02:20:49,460 --> 02:20:50,980
Again, we are the experts.

1681
02:20:51,820 --> 02:20:57,740
The data does not exist currently to show that this will not be an adverse impact to our county.

1682
02:20:59,160 --> 02:21:06,500
So, somebody else suggested a motto, you can't say yes if we don't ask the question.

1683
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:13,860
So, we ask and we advise you to expand the moratorium to a minimum of 12-24 months to allow

1684
02:21:13,860 --> 02:21:21,960
the scientists, science to proceed, independent science to proceed to be specific and

1685
02:21:21,960 --> 02:21:26,140
pause the entirety of the process, not just the approvals, because as you've heard several

1686
02:21:26,140 --> 02:21:31,820
people say the next day, six months in one day from now, we can have data centers all over the

1687
02:21:31,820 --> 02:21:37,360
place. If the planning and zoning keep going because that's, it only takes planning and zoning

1688
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:45,140
six months from start to finish. Required county wife. Yep. Required county wife. Studies and

1689
02:21:45,140 --> 02:21:52,080
show that it won't hurt our resources. Reson would be awesome and a lot of size of relief would

1690
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:56,360
heard, put data centers where the communities want them, where there's

1691
02:21:56,360 --> 02:21:58,540
own for it, and where resources are appropriate.

1692
02:21:58,900 --> 02:21:59,860
Thank you.

1693
02:21:59,940 --> 02:22:01,820
Calvert County is not that count off.

1694
02:22:14,090 --> 02:22:16,950
Sherry Verdun, and following that Jason Skaggs.

1695
02:22:19,250 --> 02:22:25,190
OK, so remember, we left off at that row, which was.

1696
02:22:25,230 --> 02:22:25,810
They spurred in.

1697
02:22:25,870 --> 02:22:26,830
We'll be speaking as a group today.

1698
02:22:27,110 --> 02:22:27,630
Isn't it a big deal?

1699
02:22:27,690 --> 02:22:28,030
Yeah, OK.

1700
02:22:28,030 --> 02:22:29,730
I'll remember, you know, OK.

1701
02:22:30,250 --> 02:22:31,990
So we're going to reconcile those numbers.

1702
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:38,630
And we're gonna talk about five 75 budget unit five 75, which is an entire row. Okay, and it's not I'm sorry

1703
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:42,250
It's not missing essentially, but three fields of

1704
02:22:43,050 --> 02:22:47,990
Data in that row were questioned in our rate study. There are notes on that

1705
02:22:48,290 --> 02:22:52,170
Mike maker with new gen study, which all of you should know because you listened to his presentation

1706
02:22:52,170 --> 02:22:59,950
We did two in September 26, but I mean September 23, we just didn't realize that but I'll break it down for you

1707
02:22:59,950 --> 02:23:07,250
If the 6167.618 million is indeed the model's long-term capital debt outcome,

1708
02:23:07,830 --> 02:23:12,990
under the no-growth scenario, remember that no cap fees, then you told us, no cap fee revenue,

1709
02:23:13,230 --> 02:23:18,670
that was our shortfall. Then the critical fact is not merely that debt exists. It is that the

1710
02:23:18,670 --> 02:23:26,150
model is testing whether the existing customer base can financially sustain the capital program

1711
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:28,910
without relying on the future growth.

1712
02:23:29,910 --> 02:23:32,950
So I have to ask myself why there was a tab that said,

1713
02:23:33,490 --> 02:23:37,130
future hookups and what those projects were

1714
02:23:37,130 --> 02:23:38,810
and what the notes were next to those hookups.

1715
02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:40,970
And among them was the Charles County,

1716
02:23:43,390 --> 02:23:49,430
1, 115 EDU allocation facility and I had a note next to it that said,

1717
02:23:49,690 --> 02:23:51,350
depending on what the commissioners decide.

1718
02:23:51,830 --> 02:23:54,710
Why was that in your rate model that you presented to us

1719
02:23:54,710 --> 02:24:00,290
In September of 2023, if you didn't start talking to any data center industrial users until

1720
02:24:00,290 --> 02:24:07,250
after 2024 and doing these studies, the timeline does not reconcile, but the budget does.

1721
02:24:07,610 --> 02:24:13,450
Using 4,600 residential accounts merely as an illustration, because that is the consumer

1722
02:24:13,450 --> 02:24:17,470
base of which you ran these projections and it came your model.

1723
02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:28,870
Not an allocation because commercial accounts also pay 167.620 million is about 36,439 per residential account.

1724
02:24:29,230 --> 02:24:31,370
Do you hear me water sewer enterprise fund consumers?

1725
02:24:32,930 --> 02:24:37,430
2555 is when your next bond sale that you were just approved right here in front of everybody.

1726
02:24:37,810 --> 02:24:41,810
That's when that debt ends 255 beyond the comp plan.

1727
02:24:41,810 --> 02:24:59,930
And that projected debt really does match that bond sale and all those numbers line up pretty well, but let's talk about budget unit 575, which was explicitly noted by your rate study consultant, not ours, because it wasn't an independent study, at least not the one we were talking about.

1728
02:25:00,620 --> 02:25:08,040
The mysterious What is Budget Unit 575? It is a spreadsheet row. It is an intact sequence, Solomon's

1729
02:25:08,040 --> 02:25:17,320
Water. Okay? They form a completely intact sequence. So the consultant was asking, you know, where is it? They were asking, what is it?

1730
02:25:17,500 --> 02:25:24,940
The intact sequence for budget unit 561. I hope the budget person's here paying attention. Solomon's Water is 2014.

1731
02:25:24,940 --> 02:25:31,900
go bond interest. 2014 go principal. 2016 geo interest, you know, general obligation bonds,

1732
02:25:31,940 --> 02:25:37,320
the ones we're here approving today. Without a second thought, 2016 geo principle, 2020

1733
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:44,880
refunding bond interest, 2020 refunding bond principle, compensated absences, other leave,

1734
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:52,660
contracted services, laboratory analysis, depreciation, electricity, intersystem transfer,

1735
02:25:52,660 --> 02:25:57,200
maintenance, salaries, supplies, maintenance reserve, that's the full line and I just

1736
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:00,780
read it out loud to everyone so they can hear it, okay? The historical columns

1737
02:26:00,780 --> 02:26:05,120
beside those records are three-year-to-date periods followed by the fiscal year 24

1738
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:13,980
budget followed by proposed fiscal years, okay? So the 575 visible in that

1739
02:26:13,980 --> 02:26:21,180
neighborhood is simply model line 575. And that particular line happens to be

1740
02:26:21,180 --> 02:26:29,160
Solomon's water, slash salaries, slash colon pay, slash budget unit 561.

1741
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:35,740
So remember I said, I asked you for an audit back then, and you didn't give me one.

1742
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:39,220
So I guess I had to do my own before you pass the second phase.

1743
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:42,380
This is not a second separate fluke.

1744
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:47,020
This is a separate phase of funding that you're funding with this wholesale.

1745
02:26:47,500 --> 02:26:49,940
And the projected model for no growth

1746
02:26:49,940 --> 02:26:53,840
with no additional users, but massive, massive, massive,

1747
02:26:54,380 --> 02:26:58,800
capacity with a listed project that we know is already sold

1748
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:02,700
to a data center on your rate model that you approved in fiscal year,

1749
02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:04,660
24, which everyone can look at.

1750
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:05,840
I'll put it out there today.

1751
02:27:05,980 --> 02:27:06,740
You can look at these numbers.

1752
02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:07,780
You can reconcile them yourself.

1753
02:27:08,200 --> 02:27:09,740
Take the budget, run it through your AI,

1754
02:27:09,820 --> 02:27:12,640
whatever you do to research, and see how those numbers match up.

1755
02:27:12,840 --> 02:27:15,720
Okay, because that's what I did for the last four years,

1756
02:27:15,720 --> 02:27:16,880
except I did it by hand.

1757
02:27:17,160 --> 02:27:18,700
I didn't use chatGBT.

1758
02:27:18,700 --> 02:27:24,860
And I did it by asking the people that you see in this room because they're smart, they're experts, and you're not going to trick us.

1759
02:27:25,100 --> 02:27:32,900
So I would encourage everybody in this room to look at those budget numbers and find out why there was a question on that read study about

1760
02:27:32,900 --> 02:27:34,800
Solomon's water salaries, call and pay.

1761
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:36,700
Thank you.

1762
02:27:41,080 --> 02:27:45,480
Next speaker is Jason Skaggs, and it's following that Sylvia Batong.

1763
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:55,080
My name is Jason Skaggs, I'm here for myself.

1764
02:27:55,080 --> 02:27:59,100
I'm a resident of Owens, a little sick, sorry for the voice.

1765
02:28:01,060 --> 02:28:03,500
I am also a county commissioner candidate at large.

1766
02:28:04,340 --> 02:28:10,340
I have watched this data center topic cause an incredible amount of stress and anxiety for so many people in our community.

1767
02:28:11,100 --> 02:28:16,020
Friends and neighbors are worried about millions of square sheet of buildings popping up in their backyard.

1768
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:19,340
They're worried about their electric bills doubling their tripling.

1769
02:28:20,020 --> 02:28:23,700
They're worried about their water and they're well-possibly running dry.

1770
02:28:23,700 --> 02:28:27,920
how many of us really ever? I mean, we really take that for granted, the fact that our well

1771
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:31,940
pumps water out of an unlimited amount of water out of our house.

1772
02:28:34,280 --> 02:28:36,600
People, we have all lived through

1773
02:28:37,240 --> 02:28:43,480
this topic and debate during the primary election process. The result of that primary election was

1774
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:49,980
a true mandate on data centers here in Calvert. It's now time to lower the stress and anxiety level

1775
02:28:49,980 --> 02:28:53,120
of all of our friends and neighbors, it's actually quite overdue.

1776
02:28:54,220 --> 02:29:00,040
I respectfully request that the Board vote on a moratorium of at least 12 months on any

1777
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:03,940
data center plan submission or site plan.

1778
02:29:04,700 --> 02:29:07,900
And schedule a hearing to reason the Calvary Closed property.

1779
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:13,380
Effectively announcing to the world that the Calvary County is closed to big data.

1780
02:29:18,730 --> 02:29:22,330
This debate and stress has gone on long enough.

1781
02:29:22,330 --> 02:29:33,270
This will allow our community time to come together and decide as a group exactly what we want or don't want in our backyards.

1782
02:29:33,830 --> 02:29:34,750
Thank you.

1783
02:29:40,280 --> 02:29:43,200
Sylvia Batong and following that Linda Sumpner.

1784
02:29:49,070 --> 02:29:52,790
Good afternoon, Sylvia Batong speaking for myself, live in Port Republic.

1785
02:29:54,770 --> 02:29:57,730
Having been inspired by the speakers that I've heard today.

1786
02:29:58,650 --> 02:29:59,930
I heard...

1787
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:14,200
Make a moratorium two years, three years, five years. I also heard a citizen ask, how will we pay for these costly studies since we don't have an end user. Commissioner Hart said a study by an end user would not be trustworthy.

1788
02:30:15,380 --> 02:30:26,580
I rise to speak in favor of a five-year moratorium. Let's use a scientific method. Let coward county be the control group with no data center.

1789
02:30:26,580 --> 02:30:32,920
Let all the other counties be the test cases and identify the risks of data centers

1790
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:37,910
over time.

1791
02:30:38,610 --> 02:30:40,410
Save the Calvert Fiscal Coffers.

1792
02:30:41,150 --> 02:30:49,110
At that point, surely we will have all the information to confidently ban status centers in our beautiful fragile county forever.

1793
02:30:49,790 --> 02:30:50,430
Thank you.

1794
02:30:57,470 --> 02:31:02,550
The next speaker is Linda Sumpter, and following that, Janette Wasaki.

1795
02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:13,720
Good morning, everyone. I feel awkward with my back turned to the most important entity

1796
02:31:13,720 --> 02:31:17,300
of this county, the resident. I apologize for that.

1797
02:31:18,460 --> 02:31:21,160
And thank you for your support. I'm Linda's sister,

1798
02:31:22,140 --> 02:31:25,360
resident, voter, taxpayer of Calvert County.

1799
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:28,000
And will you be speaking as an individual today?

1800
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:29,900
Yeah, it's a group, kind of individual.

1801
02:31:30,520 --> 02:31:36,200
Before I begin, I employ the board to get this book

1802
02:31:36,200 --> 02:31:39,200
and read it, although none of us in this room

1803
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:41,240
are experts on data centers.

1804
02:31:41,720 --> 02:31:44,680
But if you get this, this will give you some knowledge.

1805
02:31:45,300 --> 02:31:50,040
Firstly, I have a question asked, why are we here

1806
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:53,880
if the board respects its constituents?

1807
02:31:54,700 --> 02:31:56,020
Why are we here?

1808
02:31:56,360 --> 02:31:57,700
None of these people here

1809
02:31:57,700 --> 02:32:05,520
one, a data center. So why are we here? What is the urgency of pushing this data center?

1810
02:32:06,180 --> 02:32:12,920
Especially with the environmental impact, you don't have to go far for experts. You had a group

1811
02:32:12,920 --> 02:32:20,840
of experts here in your county that you can consult with. So that tells me that I am responsible

1812
02:32:20,840 --> 02:32:27,620
partly for this problem because I voted to put the members of the board here who are deciding

1813
02:32:27,620 --> 02:32:33,600
again something that the residents do not want. That's a problem. It's somewhat

1814
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:40,100
self-inflicted. So we have to start voting smarter and be engaged and be

1815
02:32:40,100 --> 02:32:45,420
engaged because this is the reason we're here now because we didn't use good

1816
02:32:45,420 --> 02:32:52,760
judgment and as someone said earlier we trust it. We trust it easily and I

1817
02:32:52,760 --> 02:32:59,840
think that trust has been broken and it has to be corrected. So I am not for a six month

1818
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:05,280
monitoria, absolutely not. Data centers should be banned.

1819
02:33:05,480 --> 02:33:06,360
Yes, permanently.

1820
02:33:09,860 --> 02:33:15,260
You know, at any board and I live throughout the United States and outside of the country,

1821
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:21,340
a board that would try to push and approve something that their constituents do not want.

1822
02:33:21,340 --> 02:33:24,820
So, I'm asking the board, what is the rush?

1823
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:31,080
Why can't you do your job and help the community that ends my speak?

1824
02:33:38,690 --> 02:33:42,250
And the last speaker I have signed up is Jeanette Walsokki.

1825
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:55,160
Hi, Dr. Jeanette Walsokki, speaking on behalf of myself.

1826
02:33:56,260 --> 02:34:00,520
So this morning, I am going to talk about P.J.M. in Perk.

1827
02:34:00,520 --> 02:34:08,920
So, I just learned that on August 13, P.J.N. submitted an application for FERC.

1828
02:34:09,700 --> 02:34:15,500
After two auctions in their market that failed to secure enough electricity generation.

1829
02:34:16,580 --> 02:34:29,320
So, their proposal is that, first, any new large load over 50 megawatts like data centers must bring their own power starting June 1.

1830
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:32,520
What will that mean for us?

1831
02:34:33,460 --> 02:34:35,520
Well, that mean diesel generators?

1832
02:34:36,260 --> 02:34:38,640
Well, that mean more nuclear power plants?

1833
02:34:39,260 --> 02:34:40,180
What does that mean?

1834
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:41,940
We're a tiny county.

1835
02:34:43,020 --> 02:34:47,020
The second thing is that data centers hooked up to the grid

1836
02:34:47,020 --> 02:34:49,420
will be the first to have their power cut

1837
02:34:49,420 --> 02:34:53,120
before other users one there is a strain on the electrical grid.

1838
02:34:53,920 --> 02:34:55,240
So those are really good things.

1839
02:34:55,240 --> 02:34:59,940
But, here's where it gets bad for us, and, and you

1840
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:17,600
You two, you guys too. The 2829 capacity auction hit 325 megawatt per day price, but came up 6.8 gigawatts short. They didn't get enough electricity.

1841
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:26,800
So, what they are going to do is have a one-time backstop procurement running between September

1842
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:36,500
30th and October 21st, where the offers will be capped at $555 per megawatt date.

1843
02:35:36,500 --> 02:35:38,440
Who pays that?

1844
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:40,140
We do.

1845
02:35:40,960 --> 02:35:50,080
And P.J. Anne's Market Monitor attributed 75.5% jump in regional power costs directly the data center to ban.

1846
02:35:51,980 --> 02:35:53,180
That's our wallets.

1847
02:35:56,340 --> 02:35:57,760
Please strengthen this.

1848
02:36:08,170 --> 02:36:09,990
That was the last of the in-person speakers.

1849
02:36:10,870 --> 02:36:13,130
Okay, I will be turning it over now to Andrew Miller.

1850
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:17,600
We do have some speakers online,

1851
02:36:18,340 --> 02:36:21,700
caller with the last four ending in 2, 9, 5, 3.

1852
02:36:21,900 --> 02:36:23,540
We are ready to receive your comments.

1853
02:36:24,300 --> 02:36:25,380
Please state your name and address,

1854
02:36:25,480 --> 02:36:27,760
whether you'll be speaking as an individual,

1855
02:36:28,120 --> 02:36:30,680
or as the designated representative of a group.

1856
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:33,540
Please press star 6 to unmute your phone,

1857
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:36,460
or press the unmute button on Teams.

1858
02:36:44,140 --> 02:36:44,620
Good morning.

1859
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:47,040
Kathy Decker is speaking on behalf of Childhood Citizens

1860
02:36:47,040 --> 02:36:49,240
for Student Safety and Responsible Development.

1861
02:36:49,300 --> 02:36:50,160
Can you hear me?

1862
02:36:50,280 --> 02:36:50,800
Yes, we can.

1863
02:36:53,400 --> 02:36:57,940
We are here today because residents across California refuse to stay silent.

1864
02:36:58,280 --> 02:37:02,320
From months, residents have been researching, asking questions and attending meetings, trying

1865
02:37:02,320 --> 02:37:05,400
to understand what is happening in our community.

1866
02:37:06,040 --> 02:37:10,820
Data centers are not ordinary neighbors, they are massive industrial facilities that require

1867
02:37:10,820 --> 02:37:15,540
enormous amount of electricity, significant water resources, and substantial infrastructure,

1868
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:18,460
backup generation and large amount of land.

1869
02:37:18,460 --> 02:37:23,060
So, when we are talking about ways in this type of industrial development and close proximity

1870
02:37:23,060 --> 02:37:28,220
of our schools, neighborhoods, and environmental sensitive areas, we have an obligation

1871
02:37:28,220 --> 02:37:29,780
to ask serious questions.

1872
02:37:30,200 --> 02:37:32,900
Our students should not be the test case.

1873
02:37:33,220 --> 02:37:37,300
Before approval of our allowing development of this scale, we need to understand the potential

1874
02:37:37,300 --> 02:37:43,700
impacts on student safety, noise, air quality, water resources, traffic, emergency response

1875
02:37:43,700 --> 02:37:45,040
and just around an environment.

1876
02:37:45,480 --> 02:37:49,560
Our local environment from our creaks to our wetlands to Chesapeake Bay

1877
02:37:49,560 --> 02:37:51,760
and the fragile ecosystem of Southern Maryland.

1878
02:37:52,140 --> 02:37:53,380
This was a careful consideration

1879
02:37:53,380 --> 02:37:56,300
before we commit ourselves to a massive industrial footprint.

1880
02:37:56,720 --> 02:37:58,400
We cannot mortgage the long-term health,

1881
02:37:58,400 --> 02:38:00,480
safety, and quality of life of our community

1882
02:38:00,480 --> 02:38:03,340
simply to move development forward faster.

1883
02:38:04,060 --> 02:38:05,280
I am not speaking here today.

1884
02:38:05,380 --> 02:38:07,660
Claiming that consolation is doing something illegal.

1885
02:38:08,100 --> 02:38:10,800
I am saying that residents of arrest and questions.

1886
02:38:10,940 --> 02:38:12,520
Those questions deserve answers.

1887
02:38:12,520 --> 02:38:17,020
People in the community include in tradesmen who have reported doing recent work on

1888
02:38:17,020 --> 02:38:21,000
compilation property are reporting increased activities such as land clearance, electrical

1889
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:26,100
work, lions, b&n installs, and site works. What exactly is going on on that property?

1890
02:38:26,680 --> 02:38:31,900
So the work taken place on the ground match the scope that the permits have been issued.

1891
02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:36,500
If residents of the inactivity that raised questions shouldn't the county inspect its the

1892
02:38:36,500 --> 02:38:41,380
out there to verify? Not because we are accused in any one of wrongdoin, but because

1893
02:38:41,380 --> 02:38:43,820
that is exactly what inspections are for.

1894
02:38:44,100 --> 02:38:46,060
Residence that concerned about peace and development,

1895
02:38:46,420 --> 02:38:48,520
a subcision here, a great permit there,

1896
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:50,040
infrastructure somewhere else.

1897
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:52,400
Each individual piece may appear undilated

1898
02:38:52,400 --> 02:38:53,860
when viewed by itself.

1899
02:38:55,540 --> 02:38:58,400
A government has an obligation to look at the entire picture,

1900
02:38:58,820 --> 02:39:00,560
which should not be approved in individual pieces

1901
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:03,160
without understanding what pieces ultimately create.

1902
02:39:03,620 --> 02:39:06,900
It may be simply an upgrade to their infringed infrastructure,

1903
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:08,720
but we need to remain vigilant

1904
02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:14,480
after all, consolation is who invited AWS to our neighborhood in the first place, and that's not

1905
02:39:14,480 --> 02:39:19,860
made for us. When companies like AWS pull back, it is often a tactical play. They are just

1906
02:39:19,860 --> 02:39:24,580
taking a step back to watch what happens with the moratorium, especially now that even major hubs

1907
02:39:24,580 --> 02:39:29,540
and data center regions are starting to consider causes on development. They will most likely

1908
02:39:29,540 --> 02:39:34,240
be back in six months. They care about the almighty dollar more than the almighty people.

1909
02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:39,920
The planning and zoning rights need to be reversed back to the end of entirety to protect

1910
02:39:39,920 --> 02:39:40,680
Calvert County.

1911
02:39:40,900 --> 02:39:42,680
Let's roll back the clock and restart.

1912
02:39:43,420 --> 02:39:45,460
Let's be sure not to be the sacrifice zones.

1913
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:50,460
It's time to stop treating Les B. as though it is a place where every major industrial

1914
02:39:50,460 --> 02:39:53,620
impact can simply be concentrated because it is convenient.

1915
02:39:54,300 --> 02:39:58,500
Our residents deserve the same consideration and protection as every other community in

1916
02:39:58,500 --> 02:39:59,280
this county.

1917
02:39:59,720 --> 02:39:59,920
Whether we...

1918
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:05,440
And again, within more time or move towards the permanent ban, I am asking this board to let

1919
02:40:05,440 --> 02:40:10,420
the legal professionals do the work necessary to make those decisions legally defensible.

1920
02:40:11,180 --> 02:40:15,420
We should not be afraid to establish reasonable protections because a well-funded corporation

1921
02:40:15,420 --> 02:40:20,780
might challenge them. Our responsibility is to adopt thoughtful evidence-based policies

1922
02:40:20,780 --> 02:40:27,240
and protect the public interest and stand within legal scrutiny. What we ask in for today, verify

1923
02:40:27,240 --> 02:40:33,760
what's happening on consolation property, look at the cumulative impacts, stop them at these

1924
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:38,140
projects, excuse me. Someone, look at these projects is one piece, look at that as an

1925
02:40:38,140 --> 02:40:43,820
ultimate purpose of the infrastructure, the advanced billion changes, remove data centers

1926
02:40:43,820 --> 02:40:49,280
has allowed entirety, rather than continuing to create a framework that invites this type of

1927
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:51,380
industrial development into the community.

1928
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:54,680
It's like transparency,

1929
02:40:56,820 --> 02:40:57,260
equipment and

1930
02:40:57,260 --> 02:41:05,900
and staff and ordinance that explicitly banned secret NDAs once and for all, the public should not have to find out what is happening in their backyard afterwards.

1931
02:41:06,500 --> 02:41:12,100
Commissioned if this isn't about being against technology, nor is it about being for.

1932
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:23,140
Nor is it for or against economic development is about asking whether this particular type of industrial development belongs to be in proposed and whether we have adequate protection for our children.

1933
02:41:23,140 --> 02:41:27,420
our communities and environment, and our future being allowed to move forward.

1934
02:41:28,060 --> 02:41:31,860
Whether we start with a more Tory on our straight-out ban, our legal team needs to do the

1935
02:41:31,860 --> 02:41:35,600
heavy list and to ensure our ordinance is entirely legally defensible.

1936
02:41:35,860 --> 02:41:39,560
We need measures that will hold up and courts against these money hungry, so we have

1937
02:41:39,560 --> 02:41:42,260
to have the corporations that will buy a lawsuit in a heartbeat.

1938
02:41:42,660 --> 02:41:47,120
Protect the people, reset the zone, and remove the data centers as allow youth, entirety,

1939
02:41:47,740 --> 02:41:50,440
and pass an ordinance that banned secret NDAs.

1940
02:41:50,440 --> 02:41:53,360
before closing I want to give offer major

1941
02:41:53,360 --> 02:41:54,540
kudos to commissioner hands.

1942
02:41:55,440 --> 02:41:56,040
If you can submit your

1943
02:41:56,040 --> 02:41:57,580
part and commissioner grass.

1944
02:41:57,740 --> 02:41:59,140
So for continuing support in the

1945
02:41:59,140 --> 02:42:01,400
moratorium and remain in

1946
02:42:01,400 --> 02:42:02,060
three commissioners.

1947
02:42:02,200 --> 02:42:04,000
I wish that you had made a more

1948
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:05,640
charm decision before now.

1949
02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:08,160
Not because of holding it because you

1950
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:10,340
have all poured so much part.

1951
02:42:18,820 --> 02:42:19,820
6 5.

1952
02:42:23,900 --> 02:42:25,340
Coloring in 0 9 6 5.

1953
02:42:25,420 --> 02:42:26,460
We're ready to receive your

1954
02:42:26,460 --> 02:42:26,840
comment.

1955
02:42:27,620 --> 02:42:29,680
Please state your name and address

1956
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:30,500
and whether you will be

1957
02:42:30,500 --> 02:42:35,520
speaking as an individual or as the designated representative of a group, please press

1958
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:39,220
star six to unmute your phone or press the unmute button and teams.

1959
02:42:42,680 --> 02:42:44,700
Yes, good afternoon, can you hear me? Yes, we can.

1960
02:42:44,860 --> 02:42:45,400
Yes, we can.

1961
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:51,880
Good afternoon, commissioners. My name is Parker Coyer and I'm a resident

1962
02:42:51,880 --> 02:42:57,600
of Hunting Town. I want to start by saying that I don't view anyone on the days as an adversary.

1963
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:03,160
I believe you are good people who care about our county. In fact, shortly after my daughter

1964
02:43:03,160 --> 02:43:07,240
was born this spring, I ran into Commissioner Buddy Hands at the hospital and

1965
02:43:07,240 --> 02:43:10,820
hematology, and he kindly congratulated me on my new baby.

1966
02:43:11,580 --> 02:43:15,300
That personal decency is why I choose to raise my family here.

1967
02:43:15,620 --> 02:43:18,340
A good people can make that governing decision.

1968
02:43:19,300 --> 02:43:23,080
Back in late February while doing the routine job search, I stumbled across

1969
02:43:23,080 --> 02:43:26,920
the public posting for an AWS data site construction site manager

1970
02:43:26,920 --> 02:43:28,580
right here in childbirth.

1971
02:43:29,100 --> 02:43:32,000
I shared that link anonymously in local community groups or

1972
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:33,520
neighbors could see what was developing.

1973
02:43:34,320 --> 02:43:36,500
Soon after, citizens raising those questions

1974
02:43:36,500 --> 02:43:39,240
were casually dismissed from this room and state book warriors.

1975
02:43:40,240 --> 02:43:41,400
I'm not a Facebook warrior.

1976
02:43:42,020 --> 02:43:44,660
I'm a father of veteran, a neighbor, and a citizen

1977
02:43:44,660 --> 02:43:47,860
who believes publicly as business belongs in the light of day.

1978
02:43:48,580 --> 02:43:50,320
This is why I went through the official civic

1979
02:43:50,320 --> 02:43:53,720
process and filed the open meetings compliance board

1980
02:43:53,720 --> 02:43:54,800
complaint with the state.

1981
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:58,620
When the OMCD issue is finding on the complaint

1982
02:43:58,620 --> 02:44:00,940
out files, it confirmed what we knew all along

1983
02:44:00,940 --> 02:44:03,900
that the public business must not be conducted in the dark.

1984
02:44:04,720 --> 02:44:06,720
Throughout this process, so much energy

1985
02:44:06,720 --> 02:44:09,520
when in debating whether an NDA was strictly permissible

1986
02:44:09,520 --> 02:44:12,400
underlaw that I think this board forgot to stop and ask

1987
02:44:12,400 --> 02:44:13,460
whether it was right.

1988
02:44:14,440 --> 02:44:17,380
Finding a legal loophole to operate in secrecy does not

1989
02:44:17,380 --> 02:44:18,300
make it a leadership.

1990
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:22,380
Government transparency isn't a favor granted when convenient.

1991
02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:23,640
It's an obligation.

1992
02:44:24,520 --> 02:44:27,160
The OMCD finding wasn't a minor technicality.

1993
02:44:27,340 --> 02:44:29,260
It was a clear reminder that you work for the residents

1994
02:44:29,260 --> 02:44:35,080
of Calvary County. Going forward, I urge this board to rebuild that public trust and choose to

1995
02:44:35,080 --> 02:44:38,980
open dialogue over non-disclosure agreements. Thank you.

1996
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Collar with the last four ending in 888-86, we are ready to receive your comments. Please

1997
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state your name and address and whether you'll be speaking as an individual or as the designated

1998
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you'd represent it.

1999
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If of a group, please press star 6 to unmute your phone or press the unmute button on teams.

2000
02:45:12,040 --> 02:45:17,880
Yes. I'm speaking as an individual. And your name, please, for the record.

2001
02:45:20,400 --> 02:45:21,560
My name is Judy Peterson.

2002
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May I begin?

2003
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:26,580
Yes, you can.

2004
02:45:29,290 --> 02:45:36,210
All right. Good afternoon. My name is Judy Peterson. Many of you know me as a democratic candidate for that large seat on the Board of County Commissioner.

2005
02:45:36,210 --> 02:45:38,550
I'm also a lesbian resident.

2006
02:45:39,750 --> 02:45:41,710
With the potential passage of the moratorium

2007
02:45:41,710 --> 02:45:44,930
providing a short-term pause on data center approvals

2008
02:45:44,930 --> 02:45:47,470
and with the possibility of additional protective

2009
02:45:47,470 --> 02:45:49,610
text amendments and important rezoning,

2010
02:45:50,250 --> 02:45:52,710
we might be tempted to feel that the storm has access

2011
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:55,730
as to take a deep breath and relax,

2012
02:45:56,370 --> 02:45:58,230
but that would be a grave mistake.

2013
02:45:58,990 --> 02:46:00,670
This is the time to remain vigilant

2014
02:46:00,670 --> 02:46:03,690
and prepare for the next push by data center developers.

2015
02:46:03,690 --> 02:46:10,330
We need the right studies, new leaders, the transparency and accountability to ensure future

2016
02:46:10,330 --> 02:46:15,990
decisions protect our communities. Our proximity to the nuclear power plant makes continued

2017
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:22,310
interest in our county of very real positivity. And we're not alone. At this week's Maryland

2018
02:46:22,310 --> 02:46:28,090
Association of Health and Conference lawmakers from across state express frustration about

2019
02:46:28,090 --> 02:46:29,930
a growing reach of data centers.

2020
02:46:30,430 --> 02:46:33,570
Fristor Frederick Howard, Montgomery and Washington County,

2021
02:46:33,970 --> 02:46:36,030
they've all enacted temporary moratorium.

2022
02:46:36,650 --> 02:46:38,570
Yet even among elected officials gathered

2023
02:46:38,570 --> 02:46:41,430
from across Maryland, there was a growing recognition

2024
02:46:41,430 --> 02:46:44,630
that regardless of the importance and public concern,

2025
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:48,830
the pressure to build data centers is not going to go away.

2026
02:46:49,150 --> 02:46:51,790
So we cannot simply wait and see what happened.

2027
02:46:52,450 --> 02:46:54,410
We must continue to protect the character

2028
02:46:54,410 --> 02:46:56,650
and by-commissioned future of our community.

2029
02:46:56,650 --> 02:47:01,410
Change is inevitable, but we can and must decide how that change occurs.

2030
02:47:02,230 --> 02:47:07,630
I believe that strong and stiffens against data centers is robust and diversified local economy.

2031
02:47:08,230 --> 02:47:12,150
And I believe we need trustworthy leadership, transparent and inclusive government,

2032
02:47:12,670 --> 02:47:16,330
and I believe we need an informed, engaged, citizenry.

2033
02:47:16,850 --> 02:47:22,810
These goals are all within our reach, but only if we remain vigilant and willing to make change.

2034
02:47:22,810 --> 02:47:25,970
And it's about stepping out of our comfort zone.

2035
02:47:26,310 --> 02:47:30,230
So let's get real comfortable and commit to the work that lives ahead.

2036
02:47:30,850 --> 02:47:32,310
Thank you for your time today.

2037
02:47:40,210 --> 02:47:45,670
Follow with the last four digits and then in 2540 we are ready to receive your comments.

2038
02:47:46,050 --> 02:47:51,870
Please state your name and address and whether you'll be speaking as an individual or as the designated representative of a group.

2039
02:47:52,210 --> 02:47:56,610
Please press star six to unmute your phone or press the unmute button and teams.

2040
02:47:57,960 --> 02:48:03,280
Patty Stuckler, candidate for Commissioner at Large, North Beach, speaking for myself.

2041
02:48:04,120 --> 02:48:08,520
I really wish I could have been there with all of you incredible people there today.

2042
02:48:08,860 --> 02:48:13,220
I'm just so proud of you, and I just want to give you a shout out to all the people of

2043
02:48:13,220 --> 02:48:18,680
California who really proved what people can do when we all joined forces.

2044
02:48:19,620 --> 02:48:25,240
I mean, really, residents showed up, you spoke out, signed petitions, and demanded that your

2045
02:48:25,240 --> 02:48:30,940
The voice has be heard to enact this moratorium, just like three-fourths of all the counties in Maryland.

2046
02:48:32,340 --> 02:48:39,300
So just want to say, today I asked this forward to listen to the people's cover county and pass the proposed moratorium.

2047
02:48:40,320 --> 02:48:52,000
But I also asked that the current board used the rest of their term to work on changing the zoning codes back to not allow for data centers.

2048
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:56,120
If we're there, our fourth requirement from any of you have any that's your

2049
02:48:56,120 --> 02:48:58,580
question. Thank you.

2050
02:49:05,560 --> 02:49:08,420
If anyone else wishes to speak, please press the

2051
02:49:08,420 --> 02:49:10,920
raise hand function or a star five.

2052
02:49:17,800 --> 02:49:18,640
There are no more speakers.

2053
02:49:30,510 --> 02:49:38,930
Questions? We did have Jason, Director Brinkley. Can you hear me?

2054
02:49:39,250 --> 02:49:43,130
Okay, I'm sorry. We did have one individual say.

2055
02:49:44,170 --> 02:49:47,130
past the moratorium and then strengthened it.

2056
02:49:48,830 --> 02:49:51,130
What would, and I believe in that,

2057
02:49:53,650 --> 02:49:56,330
but paid me a picture as to how that would work,

2058
02:49:56,370 --> 02:49:59,930
if we passed the six months and we came back to you.

2059
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:09,500
In a couple of weeks and said, okay, we want it for 24 months. We want this language to be stronger. Or if we said to you,

2060
02:50:10,060 --> 02:50:26,540
pain as a picture, we want it for 24 months. Take the comments that the public gave us and use the comments to strengthen the moratorium for it to us for so we can see it and then take it out to the public.

2061
02:50:26,540 --> 02:50:34,320
I guess what I'm asking, as I personally, with my comments in the beginning, I personally

2062
02:50:34,320 --> 02:50:40,260
do not feel that this is strong enough, and we need this protection also with the reversal

2063
02:50:41,420 --> 02:50:48,940
of the properties that were turned into high industrial back to farm to farming.

2064
02:50:49,840 --> 02:50:50,480
So,

2065
02:50:55,060 --> 02:50:59,160
and I know people don't want this to be put off, because they're sick of coming here.

2066
02:50:59,160 --> 02:51:05,060
they want a moratorium, but I don't want us to agree to the moratorium that is on the table.

2067
02:51:05,440 --> 02:51:10,860
When I as a commissioner and our constituents don't feel it's strong enough, I don't

2068
02:51:10,860 --> 02:51:16,520
want this to fall by the wayside if we were to approve it today, what would it look like

2069
02:51:16,520 --> 02:51:19,740
a strengthening this and how quickly could we get it done?

2070
02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:21,120
I guess that's what I'm saying.

2071
02:51:22,260 --> 02:51:27,860
So I will, I think the easiest thing to say is that this ordinance can be amended.

2072
02:51:27,860 --> 02:51:36,520
It lays out a provision to amend it, it's a county ordinance, it can be amended, it's got to follow the same notice procedure that we did for today.

2073
02:51:37,400 --> 02:51:45,040
So if it's the board's prerogative to strengthen it by adding a link, they're adding more details to anything you can do that.

2074
02:51:45,180 --> 02:51:50,320
You just have to follow the same notice process that we followed to be here in front of you all today.

2075
02:51:50,320 --> 02:52:13,800
So, could we agree today that, yes, we are passing this moratorium, we are passing this moratorium as it is, but can we instruct you today to strengthen the language and put a 24-month moratorium on top of this six-month moratorium, I guess I'm saying an 18-month add-on to it.

2076
02:52:13,800 --> 02:52:19,100
When does that process start? I don't want. We're not coming back until September 1.

2077
02:52:19,860 --> 02:52:27,340
And I would like to have language by September 1 and the possibility of a 24-month moratorium.

2078
02:52:28,000 --> 02:52:35,440
Is that doable? So I believe the next meeting is the 20th, 20th,

2079
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:43,300
second. It's 22nd of September is the next meeting I believe. I have September 1 is our next meeting.

2080
02:52:43,900 --> 02:52:45,180
I'll defer to the board.

2081
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:46,720
Okay, this is unacceptable.

2082
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:48,680
I will defer to the board.

2083
02:52:50,480 --> 02:52:53,720
However, we can't have, if you put in place,

2084
02:52:54,020 --> 02:52:58,380
and let me back up by saying that any substantive change

2085
02:52:58,380 --> 02:53:01,180
in this, as it sits now, would restart that process.

2086
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:04,680
So if you said today that you wanna do a 24 months,

2087
02:53:05,240 --> 02:53:07,080
you would restart this exact same process.

2088
02:53:07,320 --> 02:53:09,460
If you wanna amend it, you would go through

2089
02:53:09,460 --> 02:53:10,460
the same process.

2090
02:53:10,960 --> 02:53:13,780
So I think there are some tweaks that can happen to this.

2091
02:53:13,780 --> 02:53:19,180
and you've not, and you still be in line with what was advertised, and that's a discussion

2092
02:53:19,180 --> 02:53:24,040
that I think is worth having, but if you wanted to strengthen it, we can come back

2093
02:53:24,040 --> 02:53:31,020
in September and discuss what that language would be, and if it is in place, you do have

2094
02:53:31,020 --> 02:53:36,620
that six-month period of time to continue to exclude it.

2095
02:53:37,340 --> 02:53:38,020
I'm sorry.

2096
02:53:38,220 --> 02:53:38,700
I don't focus.

2097
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:39,360
Keep it down, please.

2098
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:40,120
Thank you.

2099
02:53:40,920 --> 02:53:47,620
shortly we're trying to work through this okay so we could go with the six

2100
02:53:47,620 --> 02:53:52,580
month and we can start the process to strengthen it and come back in a couple of

2101
02:53:53,320 --> 02:53:55,660
weeks. Come back at the next meeting.

2102
02:53:56,740 --> 02:54:00,960
Commissioners I would like to make a note as we also have an individual online when we

2103
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:04,600
transferred over to Commissioner Grasso started talking. Their hand was raised but I

2104
02:54:04,600 --> 02:54:06,260
just wanted to let you know that we do have one individual.

2105
02:54:06,260 --> 02:54:07,960
It's not a problem.

2106
02:54:09,020 --> 02:54:09,380
Good.

2107
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:10,040
Go to a mail.

2108
02:54:10,380 --> 02:54:10,680
Okay.

2109
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:12,120
Andrew, go ahead.

2110
02:54:17,920 --> 02:54:18,000
Yep.

2111
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:25,560
Could the user that had their hand raised please raise their hand again using the star 5 function.

2112
02:54:44,860 --> 02:54:45,500
There they go.

2113
02:54:45,720 --> 02:54:47,500
Hey, I'm not raised their hand again to a music.

2114
02:54:48,060 --> 02:54:49,860
Here we go.

2115
02:54:50,400 --> 02:54:52,500
Clorending in 5051.

2116
02:54:52,740 --> 02:54:57,580
Please state your name and address and whether you'll be speaking as an individual or as the designated

2117
02:54:57,580 --> 02:54:58,900
representative of a group.

2118
02:54:58,900 --> 02:54:59,920
Please pray.

2119
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:05,960
Mr. Starr 6 to unmute your phone or press the unmute button on Teams.

2120
02:55:11,440 --> 02:55:12,880
Can you all hear me?

2121
02:55:13,000 --> 02:55:13,600
Yes, we can.

2122
02:55:15,380 --> 02:55:25,480
Okay. Yes. My name is Josh Deamer. I live at 9898, Oben Lane, Waldorf, Maryland, 20636.

2123
02:55:26,540 --> 02:55:30,780
And I also am a member of Charles County against data centers coalition.

2124
02:55:30,780 --> 02:55:37,800
And I just wanted, I've been listening into the, to the hearing and my takeaways is that

2125
02:55:37,800 --> 02:55:42,300
there's two consensus is clearly being reached by the residents of Calvert County.

2126
02:55:42,820 --> 02:55:48,740
And that is that the moratorium is not long enough and not strong enough.

2127
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:54,280
And that there is openness towards a permanent ban on data centers and Calvert County.

2128
02:55:54,400 --> 02:56:00,540
And so I just wanted to make everybody aware that on September 15th,

2129
02:56:00,540 --> 02:56:07,460
Tuesday, September 15th, there is going to be a public hearing in Charles County on two bills,

2130
02:56:07,800 --> 02:56:15,460
which would impact Calvert County residents and that is a regional ban on data centers

2131
02:56:15,460 --> 02:56:22,400
that would apply to Charles County, St. Mary's County, and Calvert County, and also a three to five

2132
02:56:22,400 --> 02:56:27,660
year moratorium on data center development that would apply to St. Mary's Calvert and Charles

2133
02:56:27,660 --> 02:56:32,440
County. This would be a joint public hearing with the Charles County Commissioners and

2134
02:56:32,440 --> 02:56:39,680
Charles County State delegation for potential public local laws that might be introduced

2135
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:44,520
this upcoming January for the Maryland General Assembly. And even though it's with the

2136
02:56:44,520 --> 02:56:50,960
Charles County State delegation, Charles County Commissioners, this would apply to

2137
02:56:50,960 --> 02:56:56,260
cover County as well. And so I wanted everybody in cover County to be aware of that date on

2138
02:56:56,260 --> 02:57:00,860
Tuesday September 15th for that public hearing, and I hope that everybody who came and support

2139
02:57:00,860 --> 02:57:05,380
of this moratorium today will also show up on September 15th.

2140
02:57:06,040 --> 02:57:07,160
And so that's all.

2141
02:57:07,180 --> 02:57:08,220
Thank you.

2142
02:57:14,100 --> 02:57:18,140
So Mr. County Attorney, this hearing was advertised for six month or two and how far

2143
02:57:18,140 --> 02:57:22,700
out can we extend that before we get in trouble of it's too much?

2144
02:57:22,980 --> 02:57:23,560
Not today.

2145
02:57:25,540 --> 02:57:26,300
Not today.

2146
02:57:26,360 --> 02:57:27,460
You'd have to come back.

2147
02:57:27,580 --> 02:57:28,420
Oh God.

2148
02:57:29,020 --> 02:57:31,820
So commissioners, we do have one more person that did sign up.

2149
02:57:31,820 --> 02:57:39,580
I don't know if you want to take that, Nick, and I can't just sign up, I don't understand

2150
02:57:39,580 --> 02:57:42,800
if that's a G, F, or an H on your last name.

2151
02:57:49,530 --> 02:58:02,290
I'm Nick Graziano speaking for SOMD for all, and I had, I had our groups and a letter out 17

2152
02:58:02,290 --> 02:58:11,110
pages. Did you all get that? Oh, there you are. Mr. Brinkley, did you get that?

2153
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:13,470
Yes, I believe I got your hearing.

2154
02:58:14,610 --> 02:58:22,230
And what I'd like to do is just briefly go over it. First of all, thank you all for all the

2155
02:58:22,230 --> 02:58:28,810
work that you do. I know that you've been a little bit verbally beat up. And I know that

2156
02:58:28,810 --> 02:58:30,690
We're tired to do what you've done.

2157
02:58:31,370 --> 02:58:36,190
I do appreciate the idea of a moratorium, even if it's only six months.

2158
02:58:36,810 --> 02:58:41,850
We're hoping to get one for two years anywhere from two to ten or twenty years.

2159
02:58:42,670 --> 02:58:52,430
But anyway, the idea in the letter that we sent in the whole premise, all idea of sending

2160
02:58:52,430 --> 02:58:58,510
you anything and getting formed was that what we want to do is assist

2161
02:58:58,510 --> 02:59:03,930
the county in looking at some of the things that perhaps you might not have gotten the chance

2162
02:59:03,930 --> 02:59:10,950
to think about. You know, all of you have expertise in your own fields, but most of us are

2163
02:59:10,950 --> 02:59:19,150
an expertise in all the things that that centers are include myself. So there are all the different

2164
02:59:19,150 --> 02:59:27,230
issues and what I'm here to suggest is perhaps we do extend it out to about a two year moratorium

2165
02:59:27,230 --> 02:59:29,350
and the reasons are the following.

2166
02:59:30,010 --> 02:59:37,250
First of all, it's hard to even get wet in six months

2167
02:59:37,250 --> 02:59:42,130
in terms of all of the information that needs to be called

2168
02:59:42,130 --> 02:59:45,290
put together and processed.

2169
02:59:46,130 --> 02:59:50,250
It'd be lucky to find a good group of people

2170
02:59:50,250 --> 02:59:54,330
within that six month period to assign a contract to.

2171
02:59:54,330 --> 02:59:59,950
So my recommendation is far more than six months. The second thing I'm

2172
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:09,080
I would mention is, because you have so many various things from noise to land to the people

2173
03:00:09,080 --> 03:00:16,980
who may have been slightly overlooked when this whole process started, all of these different,

2174
03:00:16,980 --> 03:00:25,300
all of these different items. Perhaps a year, maybe two years would be a better focus rather

2175
03:00:25,300 --> 03:00:32,960
in a six-month moratorium, and that would also give you guys, especially a few of you,

2176
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:42,820
will be ending your term this time, and that'll give you, you know, I think a grander

2177
03:00:42,820 --> 03:00:49,500
way to go out in terms of presenting something that the whole county kind of wants.

2178
03:00:49,500 --> 03:00:58,840
In fact, it's about 70% of the county that wants a moratorium on this and to research a little deeper into what we're doing here.

2179
03:00:59,100 --> 03:01:00,660
There's so many moving parts.

2180
03:01:01,460 --> 03:01:06,400
I mean, I understand the biology part and some of the development because it went background,

2181
03:01:07,520 --> 03:01:10,340
but that doesn't mean I'm expert in any of those areas.

2182
03:01:11,320 --> 03:01:23,980
But I know that if we do a more thorough job in terms of safeguarding against our county,

2183
03:01:24,420 --> 03:01:32,980
assisting our county in getting better concessions from anyone who does determine that they're going to come in and build anything

2184
03:01:32,980 --> 03:01:42,280
from a small to a larger data center and it wouldn't make us feel so beat ourselves as

2185
03:01:42,280 --> 03:01:52,120
citizens. So I don't really want to belabor those issues. I think that our groups SOMD

2186
03:01:52,120 --> 03:02:00,280
for all is going to be here for a long time now. It's not just a small group for a little

2187
03:02:00,280 --> 03:02:12,180
We're here for the long haul, and we're here to assist in things like this, so of course you're always welcome to assist us and we'll continue to write letters in assist you that way.

2188
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:14,440
So thank you all for your time.

2189
03:02:14,880 --> 03:02:15,140
Thank you.

2190
03:02:20,410 --> 03:02:23,210
So Mr. County, we can't make any changes today.

2191
03:02:24,470 --> 03:02:34,170
Well, as you know, as Mr. Brinkley indicated, substantive changes would require re-abortized and we've been through that in several meetings.

2192
03:02:34,170 --> 03:02:38,650
that I've been present for, so that would be an issue.

2193
03:02:39,530 --> 03:02:44,950
There are potentially not changes that could fall into the category of being non-substive.

2194
03:02:45,290 --> 03:02:46,170
What are they?

2195
03:02:46,530 --> 03:02:47,390
Well, from what you read today.

2196
03:02:49,090 --> 03:03:04,150
One potential example that has been discussed would be the more

2197
03:03:06,310 --> 03:03:13,530
The better course of action would be to put that off and address it as all part of one enacted.

2198
03:03:14,430 --> 03:03:21,150
That would not prevent the board from enacting the moratorium that's in front of you today.

2199
03:03:25,710 --> 03:03:28,010
I'm just trying to avoid all these people having to come back again.

2200
03:03:28,310 --> 03:03:29,050
And I understand that.

2201
03:03:29,530 --> 03:03:33,790
I said last week, I'll do two years, three years, I don't care.

2202
03:03:34,770 --> 03:03:38,270
So Mr. President, we have a new month.

2203
03:03:39,430 --> 03:03:40,010
So Mr.

2204
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:44,700
President, I have a motion for you, sir.

2205
03:03:45,020 --> 03:03:48,160
Before we go into a motion, I have a discussion as well.

2206
03:03:51,010 --> 03:03:51,690
I feel good.

2207
03:03:53,170 --> 03:03:57,410
So once a go, I propose to two years.

2208
03:03:58,310 --> 03:04:02,730
We've been all up and down a ladder, different durations and all.

2209
03:04:06,750 --> 03:04:06,810
Stop.

2210
03:04:08,450 --> 03:04:11,770
We'll pass some more to him today, the six months.

2211
03:04:13,570 --> 03:04:20,850
You come back at the very next you have three weeks, four weeks to put another works

2212
03:04:20,850 --> 03:04:22,610
that are shooting more to him in place.

2213
03:04:22,810 --> 03:04:26,950
I know we're going to do another process, but here me out.

2214
03:04:27,390 --> 03:04:34,850
During that process, excuse me, during that one, can we, in the verbiage, put a ban, still

2215
03:04:34,850 --> 03:04:43,310
to your moratorium. Okay, put reverting the zoning back. And I'm going to take you back to

2216
03:04:43,310 --> 03:04:49,730
Commissioner Hasty. Remember when we screwed up on guns on our second board? And everybody

2217
03:04:49,730 --> 03:04:54,170
under the sun it told us, hey, this was the right thing. We were trying to be proactive.

2218
03:04:54,890 --> 03:04:58,790
We didn't walk out the door two seconds. The phones were blowing up. We came back and basically

2219
03:04:58,790 --> 03:04:59,810
We had a reset button.

2220
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,980
And I know I'm oversimplifying it. But we didn't have data centers in a language before. We'd go back to almost like this never happened. This nightmare never happened with the caveat of putting in it to your moratorium to still buy his time to bring in study, being in groups, to help us study the threats from the future. But to take all of this out of the realm, the zoning goes back. There's a data centers are not in our language.

2221
03:05:30,000 --> 03:05:32,560
which it's over.

2222
03:05:35,500 --> 03:05:42,380
Can that be done? So if you're asking about a text amendment, we're actually

2223
03:05:42,380 --> 03:05:46,480
having a worse session right after this on text amendments, and that could be a text

2224
03:05:46,480 --> 03:05:52,660
amendment to essentially remove data centers from the zoning ordinance. I know there's other

2225
03:05:52,660 --> 03:05:58,180
counties that have effectively banned them. That does raise some legal questions, and I'm not

2226
03:05:58,180 --> 03:06:02,720
to say whether that can or can't be done, but that obviously raises some legal questions

2227
03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:05,140
that may have to be eventually feathered out.

2228
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:11,720
As far as the current zoning that was put in place in 2025,

2229
03:06:17,160 --> 03:06:19,220
the best way to do that

2230
03:06:19,220 --> 03:06:22,900
is to modify the comprehensive plan and to roll that back.

2231
03:06:23,000 --> 03:06:27,080
And that's a process and as I've said, probably would take about six months to effectively

2232
03:06:27,080 --> 03:06:33,840
do. So there's a couple of different avenues there and whether you'd like to do that as part

2233
03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:41,060
of a second moratorium I think is well within your right to do or you could do it as part

2234
03:06:41,060 --> 03:06:47,160
of this moratorium. It's up to the board on direction or whether you want to proceed with

2235
03:06:49,000 --> 03:06:53,280
still having the data centers in there and putting conditions on. I think all those things are

2236
03:06:53,280 --> 03:06:58,380
we got to this board's discretion to do and is within the part of the board.

2237
03:06:58,900 --> 03:07:05,440
So to manage expectations, if this six months was put in today, that's effective today.

2238
03:07:05,800 --> 03:07:13,780
10 days after 10 days. Then, in the next segment, when we had the text amendments, we put the ban

2239
03:07:13,780 --> 03:07:22,340
in it. How long? You could direct staff to basically remove data centers from the zoning ordinance

2240
03:07:22,340 --> 03:07:24,360
and say they are not allowed in any manner.

2241
03:07:25,480 --> 03:07:29,900
If you put that on the current trajectory of those text amendments, it would be passed

2242
03:07:30,500 --> 03:07:31,460
probably October.

2243
03:07:32,960 --> 03:07:35,220
So, three months?

2244
03:07:35,300 --> 03:07:36,060
Three months?

2245
03:07:38,180 --> 03:07:39,020
The zoning.

2246
03:07:39,320 --> 03:07:40,240
That is the same.

2247
03:07:40,240 --> 03:07:40,260
That is the same.

2248
03:07:40,700 --> 03:07:42,780
The zoning maps would be six months.

2249
03:07:43,360 --> 03:07:46,060
Does it have to go through that?

2250
03:07:46,880 --> 03:07:50,240
I know we have to get back on with the Planning Commission, but does it have to go the full

2251
03:07:50,240 --> 03:07:53,700
six months, can't we get that on the next plan of commission meeting?

2252
03:07:54,140 --> 03:07:56,400
The next plan of commission meetings tomorrow night.

2253
03:07:56,660 --> 03:07:58,000
So it would be on that one.

2254
03:07:59,460 --> 03:08:04,240
But August September, you are modifying the comprehensive plan and any time you modify

2255
03:08:04,240 --> 03:08:07,400
the comprehensive plan, you're likely to have to send that out to 60 day review of

2256
03:08:07,400 --> 03:08:10,040
adjacent agencies, which is what adds to the timeline.

2257
03:08:11,140 --> 03:08:16,280
So I don't know that you can get it done in as quick as you can just simply removing the

2258
03:08:16,280 --> 03:08:23,680
zoning the text itself, but that would require comprehensive plan change, which would add to probably

2259
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:25,960
five to six months as fast as you could do that.

2260
03:08:26,520 --> 03:08:32,400
So with the first step, then be to go ahead and at least get that scheduled.

2261
03:08:33,520 --> 03:08:37,460
We could start that process and get it, I think you got two different things here.

2262
03:08:37,640 --> 03:08:40,320
So you got removing it from the zoning ordinance.

2263
03:08:40,480 --> 03:08:45,640
If that's the prerogative of the board, once again, there's a question on there's counties

2264
03:08:45,640 --> 03:08:49,060
that have done it, but there are questions out there about the

2265
03:08:49,060 --> 03:08:53,280
gallery. And they're there. This is a complete moving

2266
03:08:53,280 --> 03:08:56,140
target. It's something that hasn't been seen. I'm not going to

2267
03:08:56,140 --> 03:08:58,300
dive into the legal aspects of that, but it is something the

2268
03:08:58,300 --> 03:09:03,600
county could choose to do. If you want to do that, it would be on

2269
03:09:03,600 --> 03:09:06,360
the current trajectory of the text amendments for the next

2270
03:09:06,360 --> 03:09:11,100
work session, literally after this item. And it could be done by

2271
03:09:11,100 --> 03:09:14,980
October, mid-October when the BLCC and go into effect and go into

2272
03:09:14,980 --> 03:09:16,480
effect 10 days after that.

2273
03:09:16,480 --> 03:09:17,120
That's great.

2274
03:09:17,660 --> 03:09:19,060
And we could do that on the next segment.

2275
03:09:19,080 --> 03:09:21,900
And if it's not permitted to be built,

2276
03:09:22,380 --> 03:09:24,580
that's effectively a permanent moratorium.

2277
03:09:26,220 --> 03:09:30,480
And then you can figure out the rest on a reasonable timeline.

2278
03:09:30,700 --> 03:09:33,460
And you don't have to rush the next steps after that.

2279
03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:38,200
So I mean, because we know this as soon as I saw it,

2280
03:09:38,220 --> 03:09:39,280
you know, we had a conversation.

2281
03:09:39,520 --> 03:09:41,820
I'm like, they could still submit an application.

2282
03:09:41,820 --> 03:09:48,060
and you can modify today's to include application as well. I don't think that would be a substantive change.

2283
03:09:48,900 --> 03:09:51,400
So we get no applications can be accepted.

2284
03:09:57,000 --> 03:09:59,820
We pass it in its form but no applications accepted.

2285
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:20,240
On the next work session, which right after this, we've put the ban in, you direct staff to start the process, which we have a work session with the planning commission tomorrow, regarding those text amendments that we're literally talking about next, public hearing in front of the planning commission in September, public hearing in front of you guys are not topper and pass it today's later, or make it a face to be.

2286
03:10:20,240 --> 03:10:22,500
So in October we could have that passed, right?

2287
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:26,480
And on that, now as far as that's to now on to the zoning,

2288
03:10:27,540 --> 03:10:30,560
could we have that on the very next meeting to start that process?

2289
03:10:30,740 --> 03:10:33,820
You could, and I think that's, like I said,

2290
03:10:34,020 --> 03:10:37,420
that's a longer process, but you can start that process,

2291
03:10:37,900 --> 03:10:39,220
we can get to work on that.

2292
03:10:39,220 --> 03:10:41,640
But on the right direction now to where, okay,

2293
03:10:41,860 --> 03:10:43,940
did we get that started off to the planning commission?

2294
03:10:44,240 --> 03:10:49,700
The agencies that needs to come back to be voted on as soon as,

2295
03:10:54,360 --> 03:11:00,660
So let me just double check one thing, director Brinkley.

2296
03:11:01,480 --> 03:11:04,200
We have a work session after this.

2297
03:11:05,020 --> 03:11:06,020
Can you hear me now?

2298
03:11:06,660 --> 03:11:08,300
Sorry about that.

2299
03:11:08,300 --> 03:11:11,860
Director Brinkley, we have a work session after this.

2300
03:11:12,180 --> 03:11:19,100
And that's when we can request that these two parcels be reverted back.

2301
03:11:19,100 --> 03:11:23,840
right and then we'll go through the process and then our total become effective.

2302
03:11:24,300 --> 03:11:30,120
So that not exactly so the work session would be to remove data centers from the zoning

2303
03:11:30,120 --> 03:11:30,420
ordinance.

2304
03:11:30,600 --> 03:11:32,160
Prohibit data centers in the zoning ordinance.

2305
03:11:32,780 --> 03:11:37,060
The map itself is that process that has to change the comprehensive plan and go through that.

2306
03:11:37,060 --> 03:11:39,840
That is at least the roughly a six month process.

2307
03:11:39,940 --> 03:11:41,060
Thank you.

2308
03:11:41,360 --> 03:11:47,980
But you could start the process to remove or prohibit data centers in the zoning ordinance.

2309
03:11:47,980 --> 03:11:54,580
understanding that there is potential legal implications because that's kind of an unknown to be honest.

2310
03:11:55,460 --> 03:12:04,540
County Attorney. I spoke with you. We spoke about more forums as opposed to bands and

2311
03:12:06,200 --> 03:12:16,480
a band leaves us open for possible litigation. Could you speak to that? One is opposed to the

2312
03:12:16,480 --> 03:12:20,240
and the pluses and the minuses for the public please?

2313
03:12:21,800 --> 03:12:23,140
Well, so Commissioner,

2314
03:12:25,860 --> 03:12:30,740
I have to be very careful because legal advice that has been given

2315
03:12:30,740 --> 03:12:33,200
to the board can't be discussed in an open session.

2316
03:12:33,820 --> 03:12:41,160
And in the context of this, it would be unwise to provide legal advice on the specific question.

2317
03:12:41,160 --> 03:12:53,080
What I can say is that outright bands are more susceptible to a legal challenge than a reasonable time period for a moratorium.

2318
03:12:54,000 --> 03:13:07,020
And generally speaking, you know, anywhere between six months and a two year moratorium is considered generally legally acceptable.

2319
03:13:07,020 --> 03:13:12,960
however, the longer you get on the timeline, the more susceptible it is to illegal challenge.

2320
03:13:14,520 --> 03:13:18,720
County Attorney, on that, now during that time, though, if I understand the law correctly,

2321
03:13:18,840 --> 03:13:24,600
we could use that time for our own study to say why we're doing the band to back up our

2322
03:13:24,600 --> 03:13:31,060
reasons, whether it's sound, you know, disruption to streams, water usage, whatever you

2323
03:13:31,060 --> 03:13:45,840
Isn't that correct when that be the time we would build our case to protect us in case some some place wants to come in and say hey, you know, you're you're banning it, but this is why we're banning it. It's not just because we said so.

2324
03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:57,960
Well, commissioner, I would frame it slightly differently and as you know, you and I have those discussions, but but the studies would be to make an objective determination is to.

2325
03:13:57,960 --> 03:14:04,120
the impact of data centers one way or the other, and if the results are as you suggest,

2326
03:14:05,320 --> 03:14:11,000
then that would be an argument against data centers. Obviously, if the results are the opposite,

2327
03:14:11,160 --> 03:14:15,260
that would be a different argument. But the county's position, I would suggest,

2328
03:14:15,360 --> 03:14:20,900
would be to study the issues objectively from a legal perspective.

2329
03:14:21,780 --> 03:14:29,320
It sounds to me and audience, constituents, correct me if I'm wrong.

2330
03:14:29,900 --> 03:14:36,220
It sounds to me the direction you want us to go in, is to pass the six-month moratorium

2331
03:14:36,220 --> 03:14:42,880
today to include no applications will be accepted by any data centers.

2332
03:14:43,460 --> 03:14:50,460
So we do that today, then you would like for us to reverse the zoning and we'll get started

2333
03:14:50,460 --> 03:14:58,540
on that. Then you would like for us to check into a band as opposed to a two-year moratorium and

2334
03:14:58,540 --> 03:14:59,940
see how well that will work.

2335
03:15:02,540 --> 03:15:13,060
Okay, anything else? Oh, it also strength, if we go with a moratorium, probably a ban too, you want us to strengthen the language.

2336
03:15:16,480 --> 03:15:21,120
We could do that if we could put the ban in the next segment.

2337
03:15:21,780 --> 03:15:28,380
We could do that and then also come back with the two-year moratorium to bias the time for

2338
03:15:28,380 --> 03:15:34,880
the studies to strengthen up that end by then, as you say, as well, to get the two pieces

2339
03:15:34,880 --> 03:15:35,680
of property back.

2340
03:15:35,680 --> 03:15:42,000
kind of those steps sound acceptable to you, right? In the timeline, the director?

2341
03:15:43,040 --> 03:15:51,220
Yes, I think that that's a acceptable timeline for going forward. I think that, and I know

2342
03:15:51,220 --> 03:15:56,480
that our county attorney can't provide you legal advice and I'm not stating this as legal advice,

2343
03:15:56,600 --> 03:16:03,280
but if you ban a legal use, there may come a time where you are essentially forced to put that

2344
03:16:03,280 --> 03:16:12,580
back in. And that is susceptible to legal challenge. Whether that's successful or not, it's

2345
03:16:12,580 --> 03:16:18,600
who knows. And I'll go to this too, you know, our attorneys are already on retainer.

2346
03:16:18,900 --> 03:16:25,020
You know, I'm not afraid of fight. So, you know, when a company says they have this long

2347
03:16:25,020 --> 03:16:28,640
tree list of attorneys that's true, they do, and they're the best walk in the earth. But

2348
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:32,420
our guys make the same money, whether they handle the case for a year or three years.

2349
03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:35,500
So we can wait to, we can fight the McCormack.

2350
03:16:35,740 --> 03:16:38,420
Commissioner, I'm not advocating for one position or other.

2351
03:16:38,420 --> 03:16:40,580
I'm just saying we go into this eyes wide open,

2352
03:16:40,780 --> 03:16:42,260
if that's the, if that's the, if that's the talk.

2353
03:16:42,620 --> 03:16:44,860
So, you know, it's like, it, you know,

2354
03:16:45,080 --> 03:16:47,640
just make it easier for them to pick a different town.

2355
03:16:49,380 --> 03:16:52,940
So, so Mr. President, I'm gonna make the same motion

2356
03:16:52,940 --> 03:16:54,760
and made on July 16th.

2357
03:16:54,760 --> 03:16:57,500
June 16th, June 16th, June 16th, correct.

2358
03:16:57,680 --> 03:16:58,180
I'm sorry.

2359
03:16:58,740 --> 03:17:00,260
I moved that the Board of County Commission,

2360
03:17:00,260 --> 03:17:04,700
The close record approved an adopted ordinance with the file on amendments, no new site

2361
03:17:04,700 --> 03:17:06,620
planned application for six months.

2362
03:17:13,170 --> 03:17:18,830
So I have a motion in a second to Commissioner Cox's motion for the six month and more

2363
03:17:18,830 --> 03:17:21,110
touring with the amendments that he mentioned.

2364
03:17:21,250 --> 03:17:23,190
Is there any further discussion on that?

2365
03:17:25,010 --> 03:17:28,890
We do have others that have signed up to speak, but it's after y'all already deliberating, so

2366
03:17:28,890 --> 03:17:29,610
I don't have another question.

2367
03:17:29,650 --> 03:17:30,370
Do I do that through the motion?

2368
03:17:30,470 --> 03:17:35,370
They can come back to public comment, public comment, or were during the text amendment

2369
03:17:35,370 --> 03:17:37,230
And if it's in line with that.

2370
03:17:37,430 --> 03:17:38,410
But there's a motion on the floor.

2371
03:17:38,690 --> 03:17:41,010
We're going to clear that up.

2372
03:17:41,130 --> 03:17:42,030
Is there any further discussion?

2373
03:17:43,830 --> 03:17:45,310
Hearing none, all those of you who say aye.

2374
03:17:45,490 --> 03:17:45,850
Aye.

2375
03:17:46,650 --> 03:17:47,010
Opposed?

2376
03:17:47,350 --> 03:17:48,030
Motion carries.

2377
03:17:48,510 --> 03:17:48,610
Thank you.

2378
03:18:07,070 --> 03:18:08,810
Well, that was easy onto the next one, Director.

2379
03:18:10,890 --> 03:18:13,650
So that does take us to

2380
03:18:15,860 --> 03:18:16,540
a work session.

2381
03:18:16,700 --> 03:18:19,580
Department of Planning, Zoning, Calvary County, Zoning coordinates.

2382
03:18:20,340 --> 03:18:20,860
We're going to put this to the next.

2383
03:18:23,140 --> 03:18:24,200
Let's give them a few minutes.

2384
03:18:24,200 --> 03:18:26,380
Really even played a lot.

2385
03:18:29,580 --> 03:18:30,440
Yeah, we're sure, we're good.

2386
03:18:31,240 --> 03:18:31,240
We

2387
03:19:01,350 --> 03:19:03,650
got the smoke.

2388
03:19:04,110 --> 03:19:05,210
We got smoke.

2389
03:19:07,290 --> 03:19:08,290
We're smoke.

2390
03:19:09,450 --> 03:19:10,090
We're smoke.

2391
03:19:10,230 --> 03:19:11,450
I know we're not from our neighbors.

2392
03:19:11,690 --> 03:19:11,870
We're smoke.

2393
03:19:13,350 --> 03:19:13,950
Thank you, Skith.

2394
03:19:15,710 --> 03:19:16,350
Let's go.

2395
03:19:16,830 --> 03:19:17,570
Thank you.

2396
03:19:18,570 --> 03:19:19,610
You're welcome.

2397
03:19:20,570 --> 03:19:21,250
Thank you.

2398
03:19:22,690 --> 03:19:23,330
I'm sorry.

2399
03:19:23,330 --> 03:19:23,410
I'm sorry.

2400
03:19:23,730 --> 03:19:24,670
I was so nervous.

2401
03:19:24,670 --> 03:19:25,150
I'm sorry.

2402
03:19:25,150 --> 03:19:25,690
I'm sorry.

2403
03:19:26,070 --> 03:19:26,830
I'm sorry.

2404
03:19:26,830 --> 03:19:27,010
I'm sorry.

2405
03:19:27,010 --> 03:19:27,070
I'm sorry.

2406
03:19:54,700 --> 03:19:59,940
We still have a meeting that's going to go on, so if you're leaving, please exit the room with your stay.

2407
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:05,220
You were welcome to stay. It's up to you, but we need to be able to continue with our meeting.

2408
03:21:05,520 --> 03:21:07,060
Okay, Mr. Brinkley,

2409
03:21:09,100 --> 03:21:14,120
you want to get started on sure your presentation?

2410
03:21:15,060 --> 03:21:19,740
Jason Brinkley wants again director planning and zoning. This is a work session for

2411
03:21:19,740 --> 03:21:24,420
text amendments on the zoning ordinance. With me is Will Hager, Pliner 3 and

2412
03:21:24,420 --> 03:21:28,340
Rachel Shea, Deputy Director of Zoning, I'm going to turn it over to Will to walk

2413
03:21:28,340 --> 03:21:32,820
through these six, and then we can talk about the one we've sort of already talked about.

2414
03:21:34,340 --> 03:21:34,740
Okay.

2415
03:21:35,340 --> 03:21:38,900
Good afternoon commissioners, and I'm going to try to get through these slides as quickly as a

2416
03:21:38,900 --> 03:21:39,180
cancels.

2417
03:21:39,260 --> 03:21:41,960
I have a feeling we're going to be talking a little bit more about data centers.

2418
03:21:43,360 --> 03:21:47,780
Actually, not of any substance, and I think we can probably clear that up now.

2419
03:21:49,360 --> 03:21:57,760
I spoke with our Mr. Turning our break, and I was pretty sure that we cannot go into any

2420
03:21:57,760 --> 03:22:06,140
substantive conversation in regards to any text amendments that weren't advertised today in this meeting.

2421
03:22:06,180 --> 03:22:07,420
How about a panel?

2422
03:22:08,000 --> 03:22:08,640
No, no, no, no, no.

2423
03:22:08,640 --> 03:22:14,740
However, we can request at our next meeting that be put on for a work session.

2424
03:22:15,100 --> 03:22:16,380
So we can do that.

2425
03:22:16,560 --> 03:22:19,780
But as far as going into any substantive conversation,

2426
03:22:20,860 --> 03:22:22,800
for anything else regarding the data centers,

2427
03:22:23,080 --> 03:22:26,680
outside of what's already listed in this presentation we cannot do.

2428
03:22:26,680 --> 03:22:31,980
But we can take care of that right now if we can direct staff at the ground, okay, and that's just to make sure we're

2429
03:22:31,980 --> 03:22:36,240
complying with the Open Meetings Act, the advertisement provisions, all of those other things, okay.

2430
03:22:37,560 --> 03:22:47,100
And next week we do already have on the agenda, a text amendment to remove data centers as a use, which is basically a ban.

2431
03:22:47,860 --> 03:22:48,560
Next week.

2432
03:22:49,000 --> 03:22:49,720
It's next meeting.

2433
03:22:49,920 --> 03:22:50,680
10 or 20 seconds.

2434
03:22:50,920 --> 03:22:51,480
Whenever that is.

2435
03:22:53,260 --> 03:22:56,040
Why do I have September 1st as a meeting?

2436
03:22:56,900 --> 03:23:02,780
All right, it was changed broadly six weeks ago, something like that.

2437
03:23:02,780 --> 03:23:03,960
I'm like, come on, Garth.

2438
03:23:07,880 --> 03:23:09,400
All right, let's go ahead with your presentation, sir.

2439
03:23:09,900 --> 03:23:14,660
With that said, we're here today to review several proposed text amendments to the Zoning

2440
03:23:14,660 --> 03:23:15,480
Ordnance.

2441
03:23:15,480 --> 03:23:19,260
First we'll begin with some background, comprehensive rewrite, and updated the Zoning Ordnance

2442
03:23:19,260 --> 03:23:23,120
was adopted and came into effect March 1st of last year with additional text amendments

2443
03:23:23,120 --> 03:23:28,300
adopted September 30th, 2025, and July 28th, 2026, text amendments are being proposed

2444
03:23:28,300 --> 03:23:31,580
to address outstanding issues now to address with the recent zoning ordinance update and

2445
03:23:31,580 --> 03:23:36,800
tax amendments and over the next few slides, or we'll review proposed tax amendments 2625

2446
03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:38,180
through 2630.

2447
03:23:43,000 --> 03:23:48,340
So our first tax amendment is 2625. This amendment would allow electronic message

2448
03:23:48,340 --> 03:23:53,840
centers at public recreation areas with reader boards and existence as of the effective date

2449
03:23:53,840 --> 03:24:01,580
of March 1, 2025. In any district in the county, the sign face of the reader board may be

2450
03:24:01,580 --> 03:24:06,760
placed in kind with an electronic message center and this policy is consistent with the

2451
03:24:06,760 --> 03:24:11,460
policy for EMCs at places of worship that was adopted last year.

2452
03:24:16,840 --> 03:24:22,740
Next amendment, 2626, this extends the sunset date for getting approval for exception

2453
03:24:22,740 --> 03:24:28,400
lots by one year from March 1, 2027 to March 1, 2028.

2454
03:24:28,400 --> 03:24:34,240
So after March 1, 2028 the ability to create exception lots would come to an end and this

2455
03:24:34,240 --> 03:24:38,820
extension is being proposed because recent conditions have not been conducive for

2456
03:24:38,820 --> 03:24:41,980
per per testing so to be fair to property owners who haven't been able to

2457
03:24:41,980 --> 03:24:43,580
per test were proposed in an extension.

2458
03:24:44,600 --> 03:24:50,860
Okay, can I ask you one question but that will, if some I has one engineering, what happens?

2459
03:24:52,880 --> 03:24:59,280
And the per test is in conjunction with that engineering study, what happens if

2460
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:02,520
If we don't get that done by one year, the more it's won.

2461
03:25:03,940 --> 03:25:07,960
So they have to, it's not that they have to have it approved. They just have to have it submitted.

2462
03:25:08,420 --> 03:25:13,440
So that's, that's, and since there hasn't been a wet season in two years,

2463
03:25:13,840 --> 03:25:17,700
are effectively not a wet season in two years, they haven't had a chance to utilize this.

2464
03:25:17,700 --> 03:25:20,580
So we're just extending it one year. It's just the application has to be a nothing.

2465
03:25:20,900 --> 03:25:22,080
Perfect. Thank you.

2466
03:25:25,890 --> 03:25:32,970
So next amendment 2627, the amendment proposes to relax the replacement planting requirements for cutting and clearing

2467
03:25:32,970 --> 03:25:40,030
in the critical area and certain circumstances, if 30% or more, but less than 50% of existing

2468
03:25:40,030 --> 03:25:44,630
natural vegetation is cleared, replacement required for the amount of clearing would be

2469
03:25:44,630 --> 03:25:48,330
two times the area of the entire clearing with this amendment.

2470
03:25:48,730 --> 03:25:54,890
This would only apply for properties within the limited development area, LDA or LDA 3, and

2471
03:25:54,890 --> 03:25:59,270
the clearing is limited to the minimum amount necessary to accommodate a principal structure,

2472
03:25:59,270 --> 03:26:04,050
including decks, paddies and accessory structures. Currently the replacement vegetation required

2473
03:26:04,050 --> 03:26:09,510
for clearing in these circumstances is on a three to one basis with the approval of a variance.

2474
03:26:10,170 --> 03:26:15,050
Staff will use this the current replacement plan to requirement is two burdensome for property

2475
03:26:15,050 --> 03:26:20,950
owners and the costs of meeting this requirement can get quite excessive. So we were able to get

2476
03:26:20,950 --> 03:26:25,610
buy in from the critical area commission to relax these requirements in these specific circumstances

2477
03:26:25,610 --> 03:26:28,870
in order to lower the financial burden on property owners.

2478
03:26:29,410 --> 03:26:33,790
And he did that to put that in English because I had a gentleman this week.

2479
03:26:34,130 --> 03:26:35,690
You know the case I'm talking about.

2480
03:26:35,990 --> 03:26:37,810
Does this help him?

2481
03:26:37,890 --> 03:26:39,810
I'd have to go back and look at that exact case.

2482
03:26:40,030 --> 03:26:40,750
But it helps to break.

2483
03:26:41,570 --> 03:26:45,570
And they wanted him to plant an acres where the trees, the fine.

2484
03:26:45,750 --> 03:26:48,130
I mean that the cost was going to be a couple hundred thousand.

2485
03:26:48,470 --> 03:26:51,410
And then the administrative fee was about 30k.

2486
03:26:51,790 --> 03:26:53,310
And this was all on.

2487
03:26:53,310 --> 03:26:55,790
plan that was already cleared it was a

2488
03:26:55,790 --> 03:26:59,450
believe it tobacco area at one point there is no even trees that

2489
03:26:59,450 --> 03:27:00,510
were going to be removed

2490
03:27:00,510 --> 03:27:04,810
but he was going to be forced to plant an acres worth a trees so i can't tell you

2491
03:27:04,810 --> 03:27:09,450
if it if it affects that exact property but it affects properties like that

2492
03:27:09,450 --> 03:27:13,030
where you have individual especially if that's already wooded i mean

2493
03:27:13,030 --> 03:27:16,130
this is we've had a quite a bit of discussion with critical air

2494
03:27:16,130 --> 03:27:20,150
commission on this uh... this is actually borrowed from something very similar

2495
03:27:20,150 --> 03:27:26,490
what anorundal is doing. I think their original interpretation of our regulation in Komaar

2496
03:27:26,490 --> 03:27:32,330
is actually more stringent. So if we went with what they originally interpreted it as almost

2497
03:27:32,330 --> 03:27:35,650
every case in the critical area would have to go to board of appeals, which would drastically

2498
03:27:35,650 --> 03:27:41,930
increase the cost. So this is the compromise position we worked out with critical area to allow

2499
03:27:41,930 --> 03:27:48,130
individuals to, you do reduce it from three to one down to two to one. So it is that number is

2500
03:27:48,130 --> 03:27:53,070
still large a lot of times for homeowners, but it brings it down a by-third what about the

2501
03:27:53,070 --> 03:27:57,010
administrative fee and the administrative fee you guys fix with your updated fees

2502
03:27:57,010 --> 03:28:04,890
scheduled on and July so maybe need to be looked at now especially these with these

2503
03:28:05,890 --> 03:28:11,310
strict guidelines from the state I have a hard time though I know it's a state rag but I have a hard

2504
03:28:12,770 --> 03:28:20,170
time for the same so unfair for the one you mentioned it cut down his out of pocket

2505
03:28:20,170 --> 03:28:24,930
cost for that fee it cut in half so it was a step in the right direction but I think

2506
03:28:24,930 --> 03:28:28,210
that's more of a budget question that we might want to have separate from from this

2507
03:28:28,210 --> 03:28:34,230
discussion. In the two to one taking that one from the three to one I mean it was 40,000 square

2508
03:28:34,230 --> 03:28:44,670
feet. I was soon in now be like 28. I was like there with quick math. I do have

2509
03:28:45,270 --> 03:28:48,470
Ron Marney our division chief for land management here. If he has anything

2510
03:28:48,470 --> 03:28:50,650
additional to add to this some of the specifics.

2511
03:28:54,500 --> 03:28:56,280
I mean as it's that's just totally

2512
03:28:56,280 --> 03:28:57,940
unfair to the resident.

2513
03:29:00,300 --> 03:29:04,360
Ron Marney our land management division chief. As far as that

2514
03:29:04,360 --> 03:29:09,000
individual project without having the numbers basically redo the math I couldn't

2515
03:29:09,000 --> 03:29:16,580
give you a specific but you're probably a ballpark. Again, you know, we went for the administrative

2516
03:29:16,580 --> 03:29:23,280
fee for the bond, went from 25% of the bond amount to 10% so that's a hell of a lot.

2517
03:29:24,000 --> 03:29:29,580
Now, that bond is still two years. Is that state regulated two years? So state requires two

2518
03:29:29,580 --> 03:29:36,200
year bond. Correct. It's two full of growing season. So it ends up being out two years just kind of

2519
03:29:36,200 --> 03:29:39,900
the bonds were fun to pull but you know when you get the cost of building as it is it's hard

2520
03:29:39,900 --> 03:29:49,540
enough and and just another fee or another fee so okay catcher I don't like it but it's

2521
03:29:49,540 --> 03:29:52,260
better than what it was a couple weeks ago

2522
03:29:54,600 --> 03:29:58,040
okay moving on to 2628 this amendment clarifies

2523
03:29:58,040 --> 03:29:59,940
in condition that applies

2524
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:08,320
As a home occupations for in-home daycares and home commercial canals that they are exempt from the condition

2525
03:30:08,320 --> 03:30:13,020
that the occupation must be conducted entirely within the dwelling or an enclosed accessory structure.

2526
03:30:13,360 --> 03:30:19,160
This is just to acknowledge the reality that these types of uses are going to have to utilize outdoor areas to some extent.

2527
03:30:20,000 --> 03:30:27,540
And the amendment also adds a requirement that home occupation commercial canals obtained special exception approval from the Board of Appeals.

2528
03:30:27,540 --> 03:30:36,340
We've had some issues come up where neighboring property owners are displeased with their neighbor operating and commercial panel out of their home.

2529
03:30:36,820 --> 03:30:44,180
There are size restrictions 600 square feet that prevent a home occupation kennel from getting too out of hand, but nonetheless we do get some complaints.

2530
03:30:44,960 --> 03:30:56,660
So staff believes requiring board of appeals approval where neighbors are notified of the application to run a home occupation kennel on the neighboring property and giving them an opportunity to comment either in writing or by

2531
03:30:56,660 --> 03:31:01,520
voicing their concerns at the required public hearing and where the board can impose conditions

2532
03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:06,760
such as minimum setbacks in certain cases is a way to resolve potential disputes before

2533
03:31:06,760 --> 03:31:07,700
they become a problem.

2534
03:31:08,100 --> 03:31:09,620
Why are these two linked together?

2535
03:31:12,740 --> 03:31:15,340
I mean, daycares and canals completely two different sets of problems.

2536
03:31:15,360 --> 03:31:16,480
These are home occupations.

2537
03:31:17,380 --> 03:31:19,900
We have a lot of home occupations businesses out there.

2538
03:31:20,200 --> 03:31:22,460
And we have such a shortage of home daycares as it is.

2539
03:31:23,020 --> 03:31:26,480
I mean, that area is so stressed right now.

2540
03:31:27,440 --> 03:31:33,100
this relaxes the condition with the understanding that we know kids have to go outside and utilize

2541
03:31:33,100 --> 03:31:38,860
outdoor spaces for inform daycares and the same thing for in-home canals they are also

2542
03:31:38,860 --> 03:31:43,800
not to use the number of action we're not making it time for anything more just yes

2543
03:31:44,600 --> 03:31:52,340
making sure it's on the same slide just and the same text amendment for efficiency standpoint we are

2544
03:31:52,340 --> 03:31:54,200
I'm not leaking back here as a commercial.

2545
03:31:57,210 --> 03:31:59,130
It has given you latitude for being cautious.

2546
03:32:03,180 --> 03:32:05,200
Okay, next amendment, 2629.

2547
03:32:05,520 --> 03:32:14,400
This amendment is sort of a companion piece to the update of the agricultural preservation rules and regulations, which is tentatively scheduled to go to public hearing for adoption in late September.

2548
03:32:15,360 --> 03:32:21,320
There are some provisions that are currently in the zoning ordinance that have been moved to the updated rules and regs or bylaws,

2549
03:32:21,760 --> 03:32:24,180
because that's the more appropriate place for them to be.

2550
03:32:24,180 --> 03:32:29,140
And so we're proposing to remove those provisions from the zoning ordinance because they don't need to be duplicated.

2551
03:32:29,760 --> 03:32:37,800
This includes removing provisions addressing the agricultural preservation advisory board and provisions addressing transferable development rights for agricultural preservation districts.

2552
03:32:38,720 --> 03:32:43,920
There are conditions for land clearing debris landfill that are that were removed from the updated rules and regs.

2553
03:32:44,800 --> 03:32:47,880
And these are proposed to be included in the zoning ordinance with this amendment.

2554
03:32:47,880 --> 03:32:54,900
And the amendment removes the special exception requirement for sand gravel or mineral extraction with no processing for APDs

2555
03:32:54,900 --> 03:33:01,000
because the agricultural preservation advisory board approval is required for this use in APD so

2556
03:33:01,000 --> 03:33:03,820
staff believes that Board of Appeals approval isn't necessary.

2557
03:33:09,860 --> 03:33:16,880
And then last amendment, 2630, this amendment simply restores the setback policy for new commercial lots

2558
03:33:16,880 --> 03:33:22,780
and Dr. Dunkirk Town Center that was in place prior to the zoning ordinance update last

2559
03:33:22,780 --> 03:33:28,500
year. This was something that was omitted during the zoning ordinance update. So we're

2560
03:33:28,500 --> 03:33:33,040
just correcting that omission with this amendment. It doesn't open it up for expansion.

2561
03:33:34,200 --> 03:33:38,440
No, this doesn't change. This was the policy that was in place February of 2025.

2562
03:33:38,440 --> 03:33:39,360
I can just make sure.

2563
03:33:39,600 --> 03:33:41,020
I check that might.

2564
03:33:44,260 --> 03:33:51,040
And so that concludes our presentation slides, work session, this work session was a discussion

2565
03:33:51,040 --> 03:33:52,220
for informational purposes.

2566
03:33:52,340 --> 03:33:57,760
That is conducting a work session with the Planning Commission tomorrow and staff will proceed

2567
03:33:57,760 --> 03:34:02,320
with the public adoption process and scheduled public hearings with the Planning Commission

2568
03:34:02,320 --> 03:34:04,780
and Board of County Commissioners in the future.

2569
03:34:08,840 --> 03:34:09,040
Thank you.

2570
03:34:09,540 --> 03:34:09,940
Thank you.

2571
03:34:10,060 --> 03:34:10,340
Thank you.

2572
03:34:10,920 --> 03:34:11,260
Thank you.

2573
03:34:11,260 --> 03:34:12,420
If I

2574
03:34:18,280 --> 03:34:19,180
don't stand up, sir.

2575
03:34:21,070 --> 03:34:22,430
It's very patient pool.

2576
03:34:22,730 --> 03:34:24,570
Not as important as the next board.

2577
03:34:25,450 --> 03:34:29,410
But as you said, the Department of Planning is in cover.

2578
03:34:29,970 --> 03:34:32,130
It gives all the data transfer data program door.

2579
03:34:33,750 --> 03:34:35,510
Once again, Jason Brickley, director of planning and zoning

2580
03:34:35,510 --> 03:34:37,890
and I'll turn it over to Jessica Katano, planner 3,

2581
03:34:38,550 --> 03:34:39,830
to give you guys an update.

2582
03:34:41,530 --> 03:34:42,410
Good afternoon.

2583
03:34:42,630 --> 03:34:45,050
Jessica Katano, a transportation planner for planning and zoning.

2584
03:34:46,130 --> 03:34:59,930
I'm just going to go through the memo essentially what today is is informing the board as well as the citizens that the MBAT Secretary is performing the consolidated transportation or the CTP tour.

2585
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:22,640
And they're coming to our county September 22nd at 1 p.m. So, some background, the CTP is Maryland 6-year capital budget for transportation in fiscal year 2026, M.D. introduced a pilot prioritization process with no funding available for surface transportation and capacity enhancing projects.

2586
03:35:22,640 --> 03:35:27,720
Last spring, the Calvary County Board of County Commissioners submitted their annual CTP

2587
03:35:27,720 --> 03:35:33,680
priority letter through MDOT's online portal for consideration, while MDOT has continued

2588
03:35:33,680 --> 03:35:38,720
the prioritization process, funding constraints, remain a significant challenge for advancing

2589
03:35:38,720 --> 03:35:45,440
coverage transportation initiatives. At the time of this meeting, the draft fiscal year

2590
03:35:45,440 --> 03:35:51,560
2027 to 2032, CTP draft has not been released for review.

2591
03:35:52,500 --> 03:35:57,980
Attached to the agenda was the previous years, for last years,

2592
03:35:58,160 --> 03:36:02,760
consolidatory transportation program priority letter from the county commissioners.

2593
03:36:03,160 --> 03:36:07,760
I'd be happy to go through those projects if you'd like, or if you have any questions.

2594
03:36:08,900 --> 03:36:10,440
I have a question.

2595
03:36:12,160 --> 03:36:22,300
I know there is money for the study at Dunkirk Park, the walkway, the crosswalk.

2596
03:36:22,780 --> 03:36:25,740
Yeah, to go over to the shopping center.

2597
03:36:27,220 --> 03:36:31,580
They're doing design now and there is money in there for that.

2598
03:36:31,680 --> 03:36:36,380
But I've been told or we've all been told, if the governor needs that money,

2599
03:36:36,380 --> 03:36:38,340
It's going to leave us.

2600
03:36:39,100 --> 03:36:40,880
It's not in here.

2601
03:36:41,100 --> 03:36:44,280
Is it not in here because it's already under consideration

2602
03:36:44,280 --> 03:36:45,460
and moving forward?

2603
03:36:46,580 --> 03:36:46,760
Yes.

2604
03:36:47,260 --> 03:36:47,340
OK.

2605
03:36:47,700 --> 03:36:49,780
That's probably probably helped you out with that.

2606
03:36:49,780 --> 03:36:51,000
Because we actually talked about it.

2607
03:36:51,000 --> 03:36:53,900
Linda, you can update from this this was last week.

2608
03:36:54,020 --> 03:36:56,060
I think we haven't had a chance to talk to you about it.

2609
03:36:56,520 --> 03:36:57,080
Sure.

2610
03:36:57,400 --> 03:36:59,120
Linda Turner County Administrator.

2611
03:36:59,260 --> 03:37:02,300
So we met with the Secretary Thompson last week

2612
03:37:02,300 --> 03:37:05,120
and we brought up the crosswalks

2613
03:37:05,120 --> 03:37:12,080
a long route for corridor, the specific one for Dunkirk requires additional funding for

2614
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:18,200
construction, so they did give us a date I believe it was FY2029.

2615
03:37:19,320 --> 03:37:21,040
That project went over a million dollars.

2616
03:37:21,360 --> 03:37:23,860
Yeah, so we're mainly dollars for the crosswalks.

2617
03:37:25,160 --> 03:37:26,560
The three years from now.

2618
03:37:28,400 --> 03:37:34,180
But they also mentioned that any project in the pipeline they were going to move forward

2619
03:37:34,180 --> 03:37:40,940
board with unless there was inactivity, she said they would not be accepting any new project.

2620
03:37:42,260 --> 03:37:45,420
Which I'm quite sure they're going to tell us out when they come to visit as well.

2621
03:37:45,640 --> 03:37:47,100
So it's going to be a reiteration of that meeting.

2622
03:37:47,940 --> 03:37:50,080
But, some deposit did come out of that meeting.

2623
03:37:51,600 --> 03:37:53,200
So, was it our last meeting?

2624
03:37:53,540 --> 03:37:57,480
Mr. SD's came in and did an issue with scouring for it.

2625
03:37:57,480 --> 03:38:02,380
the orders are no pre- and we determined through conversation a lot of that's

2626
03:38:02,380 --> 03:38:08,280
closed by State Red Ronald. And as soon as we start that conversation and

2627
03:38:08,280 --> 03:38:11,460
brought it up, you could almost see the ad to change the room they were actually

2628
03:38:11,460 --> 03:38:14,860
excited because they've been looking for projects like that. And the best thing about

2629
03:38:14,860 --> 03:38:18,600
that project, as far as I was concerned with Mr. Estes and I told them that I

2630
03:38:18,600 --> 03:38:21,680
said not only did they come to us with a problem, but they actually came with

2631
03:38:23,300 --> 03:38:29,380
So, T.R. Costa is putting the S.A.T. people and thoughts with Mr. S.D.s in the front of

2632
03:38:29,380 --> 03:38:32,200
on Creek, and hopefully that's going to be a success story.

2633
03:38:32,920 --> 03:38:33,400
Absolutely.

2634
03:38:34,460 --> 03:38:39,220
So, the smaller projects, obviously, we have some big projects, but the smaller projects

2635
03:38:39,220 --> 03:38:43,460
we're definitely trying to push because we're hoping for greater success.

2636
03:38:44,380 --> 03:38:50,360
I actually had a citizen come in yesterday afternoon as I was walking out and she was

2637
03:38:50,360 --> 03:39:00,440
trying to advocate for, it is in this letter for sidewalks on Maryland 765 Main Street down

2638
03:39:00,440 --> 03:39:08,280
to Hall-Kill Drive and we've requested that it goes from where the sidewalks end to

2639
03:39:08,280 --> 03:39:17,080
Cover Town. So what the state and what I have been telling individuals is we will advocate

2640
03:39:17,080 --> 03:39:23,960
on your behalf, but they also need to hear from the citizens as well.

2641
03:39:28,370 --> 03:39:29,030
Well, thank you.

2642
03:39:29,250 --> 03:39:29,630
Thank you.

2643
03:39:29,830 --> 03:39:30,230
Thank you.

2644
03:39:40,040 --> 03:39:41,440
Set takes us to public comment.

2645
03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:45,200
All remarks and conduct must be respectful and re-improved, refrained from personal

2646
03:39:45,200 --> 03:39:49,180
attacks and inflammatory language or disruptive behavior prior to commencing your remarks.

2647
03:39:49,700 --> 03:39:51,940
Please state your full name for the record.

2648
03:39:52,440 --> 03:39:55,640
Individual speakers are allocated two minutes, doesn't need a representative speaking

2649
03:39:55,640 --> 03:39:58,700
on behalf of an organization or a lot of five minutes.

2650
03:39:58,700 --> 03:39:59,940
and the visual is taking the template.

2651
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:06,900
Government and decisions are categorized as lobbyists and a required register with the ethics commission, prior to their engagement with the board.

2652
03:40:07,640 --> 03:40:15,340
In the event, any individual fails to maintain the quorum to presiding officer may take appropriate steps to restore order, including having the individual movement.

2653
03:40:19,110 --> 03:40:22,250
All right, for speaker up is Mr. Patrick Flaherty.

2654
03:40:27,260 --> 03:40:32,520
Good afternoon, Patrick Flaherty, love's of ease speaking on myself. I'm really flabbergasted.

2655
03:40:33,160 --> 03:40:40,340
I'm really flabbergasted at the meeting today, what most likely could be considered an open

2656
03:40:40,340 --> 03:40:45,840
meeting's violation act during the moratorium hearing, touched the amendment language

2657
03:40:45,840 --> 03:40:50,740
as brought up during that hearing, and if not, the violation of the open meeting act definitely

2658
03:40:50,740 --> 03:40:56,880
a parliamentary procedure violation, but not speaking to issues to remain to the issue at hand,

2659
03:40:57,380 --> 03:41:02,520
which is really mind-boggling. In addition, it seems like there's more political

2660
03:41:02,520 --> 03:41:07,120
the air going on here because as a commissioner of former government, we can't

2661
03:41:07,120 --> 03:41:12,340
ban any business, zero, because we don't have a state approval to do so. So by

2662
03:41:12,340 --> 03:41:18,600
just teasing the public that we're going to ban, we're going to put this language in

2663
03:41:18,600 --> 03:41:23,600
there, we can't do that unless we get approval from the legislature to do so, and

2664
03:41:23,600 --> 03:41:25,260
They're not going to do it, all right?

2665
03:41:25,880 --> 03:41:29,340
So going back to what I just call a clean reset,

2666
03:41:29,880 --> 03:41:30,860
yes, talk about text amendment.

2667
03:41:31,020 --> 03:41:33,220
Let's talk about rolling back the zoning ordinance,

2668
03:41:33,340 --> 03:41:35,820
the comprehensive plan of removing all data center language,

2669
03:41:36,540 --> 03:41:38,080
down zoning the properties back again.

2670
03:41:38,400 --> 03:41:39,860
You can do that, all right?

2671
03:41:40,040 --> 03:41:43,640
And then if necessary, later on, we can come back here,

2672
03:41:44,680 --> 03:41:46,860
if data center language needs to be added back into,

2673
03:41:47,060 --> 03:41:49,320
and we can go this whole process all over again.

2674
03:41:49,580 --> 03:41:51,720
But what you're doing today, what you've done today,

2675
03:41:51,720 --> 03:41:56,200
It's basically just pull the wall over the eyes with the people with this basic and more

2676
03:41:56,200 --> 03:41:57,840
and torn what has no teeth whatsoever.

2677
03:41:58,720 --> 03:41:59,880
You know, that's all I had to say.

2678
03:42:00,160 --> 03:42:06,260
I did have something that I wasn't going to read, but I figured this would have been this

2679
03:42:06,260 --> 03:42:06,800
better.

2680
03:42:07,360 --> 03:42:07,480
I know.

2681
03:42:07,700 --> 03:42:08,340
Thank you very much.

2682
03:42:08,540 --> 03:42:08,660
Thank you.

2683
03:42:08,920 --> 03:42:09,340
Thank you very much.

2684
03:42:09,660 --> 03:42:11,560
Next speaker is Sherry Reed.

2685
03:42:23,240 --> 03:42:23,380
All right.

2686
03:42:23,460 --> 03:42:25,920
Next speaker will be Mr. Kyle Russell.

2687
03:42:25,920 --> 03:42:26,500
Kind

2688
03:42:42,020 --> 03:42:45,920
of also I'll be speaking as the Commodore Solomon's Island Model Boat Club

2689
03:42:47,480 --> 03:42:57,400
So our club is a nationally recognized organization under the AMIA and we're listed as club number 90 that recognition is independent and sovereign

2690
03:42:57,820 --> 03:43:07,220
Okay, do they're Jeff Murray nor this board and make decisions about what the members of the club look like and who the Commodore is

2691
03:43:08,820 --> 03:43:13,560
The museum makes use to require volunteer status for access to its workshop.

2692
03:43:14,420 --> 03:43:14,900
That's fine.

2693
03:43:15,100 --> 03:43:17,900
Our club does not require any volunteer status for membership.

2694
03:43:18,540 --> 03:43:19,740
We're going to independent club.

2695
03:43:20,140 --> 03:43:22,700
No external entity can impose such a condition.

2696
03:43:24,880 --> 03:43:30,300
So, being an independent club, we work in cooperation with the Green Museum.

2697
03:43:31,760 --> 03:43:33,500
We are not supporting it to them.

2698
03:43:33,500 --> 03:43:36,880
We're partners, we're not a county control body.

2699
03:43:37,540 --> 03:43:38,520
And in fact two years ago,

2700
03:43:38,680 --> 03:43:40,800
Jeff Murray insisted that our club side of Charter

2701
03:43:40,800 --> 03:43:43,440
basically stating that we were part of the museum.

2702
03:43:44,900 --> 03:43:47,520
We unanimously stood in front of him and said,

2703
03:43:47,640 --> 03:43:49,120
we are not part of the museum.

2704
03:43:49,560 --> 03:43:50,820
We are an independent club.

2705
03:43:54,720 --> 03:43:58,440
So it's been known for years that we are an independent club.

2706
03:43:59,500 --> 03:44:03,080
I also need to address the closed session you guys have on the 28th.

2707
03:44:04,000 --> 03:44:19,580
You guys, under the closed session, under a personal exemption, and we'll see, but it sure appears that you chose that opportunity to take a vote to vote me out of the, I'm not sure what board or commission.

2708
03:44:20,200 --> 03:44:31,580
You think that was a part of, but, and then you also voted to, by consensus, give direction for future appointments to that board commission committee.

2709
03:44:32,340 --> 03:44:38,060
interesting thing is two days after that I held a meeting with my club and they showed up

2710
03:44:38,060 --> 03:44:43,680
with what was essentially an employment contract that Jeff Murray had handed them that he

2711
03:44:43,680 --> 03:44:49,340
wanted them to all sign committing to whatever roles were on that. Now again, every one of them

2712
03:44:49,340 --> 03:44:53,640
looked at this and said, what is this? That's not our club crumbled it up and threw it away.

2713
03:44:54,500 --> 03:44:59,880
That'll come out as I'm sure you already know the Open Meeting Act of I.

2714
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:18,780
The issue of request has been filed. Since all this happened, the county's ADA report has been released in a confirmed that my grievance about the ADA violation was properly brought to the company museum and that the museum has revised its operating procedures to prevent this type of infraction from happening again.

2715
03:45:19,080 --> 03:45:26,280
So I corrected it and they came back and said, hey, we are going to change our procedures to this doesn't happen again.

2716
03:45:26,280 --> 03:45:32,920
So the underlying issue has been acknowledged and corrected and the accounts of the

2717
03:45:32,920 --> 03:45:37,820
covering museum staff and the 911 call directly contradict the county's assertion that

2718
03:45:37,820 --> 03:45:43,800
calls to disturb, it's in any way at that moment, or that I endangered anyone continuing

2719
03:45:43,800 --> 03:45:51,360
the trust pass now serves only to retaliate against me and to prevent further members

2720
03:45:51,360 --> 03:45:54,640
from coming forward and protesting against mistreatment.

2721
03:45:56,140 --> 03:46:01,160
I'm a reasonable person, and this is an appropriate time for the county to reach out and try

2722
03:46:01,160 --> 03:46:01,840
to settle this.

2723
03:46:02,100 --> 03:46:07,140
Lift in the trust pass with demonstrate integrity, respect for the ADA compliance, and support

2724
03:46:07,140 --> 03:46:12,020
for national, nationally recognized heritage club that serves community for decades.

2725
03:46:13,040 --> 03:46:18,060
I urge you to act justly to lift the trust pass until allow our club to continue its

2726
03:46:18,060 --> 03:46:19,940
mission without political influence.

2727
03:46:20,600 --> 03:46:43,500
Additionally, I'd like you guys to direct your county administrator to respond to my request about a status for her investigation into the discriminatory practices that I raised her back in April, and the comments that Jeff Murray made about me and my club members being a danger to women.

2728
03:46:44,400 --> 03:46:53,240
Nothing has been said to me about that since I've already said complaint, it hasn't even been acknowledged by the county administrator by the board or by any it turned.

2729
03:46:54,140 --> 03:47:02,500
So I would appreciate that to actually be pushed forward. Obviously I'll pursue the other methods that I have, but it really shouldn't take that.

2730
03:47:02,500 --> 03:47:10,860
You know, I raised an evidence of discrimination against older men, it's being ignored.

2731
03:47:11,180 --> 03:47:16,220
Not even recognized as, hey, you know, we looked into this and we don't think that it's a thing.

2732
03:47:16,580 --> 03:47:17,060
Just ignore.

2733
03:47:18,120 --> 03:47:19,160
So, that's all I have to say.

2734
03:47:19,620 --> 03:47:20,240
Thank you.

2735
03:47:20,780 --> 03:47:22,260
Next speaker is the Antoine Wyatt.

2736
03:47:32,130 --> 03:47:33,670
Well, good afternoon, everyone.

2737
03:47:33,990 --> 03:47:34,350
Hello.

2738
03:47:34,570 --> 03:47:35,010
President.

2739
03:47:35,470 --> 03:47:37,750
Ireland, board members, staff.

2740
03:47:38,530 --> 03:47:41,190
I brought my phone up here but I really didn't write out anything.

2741
03:47:41,810 --> 03:47:46,830
just came to listen and to be a part of the meeting. But as I was sitting here and

2742
03:47:46,830 --> 03:47:50,930
let's listen to it. Oh, sorry about that. You can ask it in the description.

2743
03:47:51,210 --> 03:47:56,290
Thank you. But I actually just wanted to take the time to say thank you guys for

2744
03:47:56,290 --> 03:48:02,270
everything that all of you do. I know it's not easy. Until you're an elected official,

2745
03:48:02,510 --> 03:48:06,290
you really don't know what it's really like to have to make decisions sometimes.

2746
03:48:07,010 --> 03:48:10,330
As I was sitting out here, there are a lot of people who had a lot of different

2747
03:48:10,330 --> 03:48:14,410
things to say, and we have to take all that to consideration.

2748
03:48:15,130 --> 03:48:16,990
Thank you, guys, for the school board budget.

2749
03:48:17,290 --> 03:48:19,870
That's something that's very, very important to everyone.

2750
03:48:20,530 --> 03:48:25,010
I know the Moratorium was really the main topic for the day.

2751
03:48:25,130 --> 03:48:27,430
You look at the room now, and it's pretty much empty now,

2752
03:48:27,710 --> 03:48:30,790
because that's something that was really, really important to a lot of people.

2753
03:48:31,190 --> 03:48:34,850
So thank you for passing that Moratorium as well.

2754
03:48:34,950 --> 03:48:38,930
The AAA bond rating, we got to spoke about that.

2755
03:48:38,930 --> 03:48:43,770
And we all know that that's very important, so I wanted to say thank you for that as well.

2756
03:48:44,410 --> 03:48:52,950
So now, you know, what people were saying, you know, as far as rezoning and, you know, possible ban or strengthening, you know, that.

2757
03:48:52,970 --> 03:48:59,870
I know you guys are really listening now. You can do a hundred great things and maybe one bad and they're going to focus on that.

2758
03:49:00,070 --> 03:49:08,430
But as a resident of Calvary County, all my life, I do know the benefits that we've received and the safety that we have in Calvary County.

2759
03:49:08,430 --> 03:49:15,670
Under you guys leadership, you know, we're going to have at least three new commissioners coming up and then the next

2760
03:49:15,670 --> 03:49:20,850
After the next election, so it's going to be very important that they have relationships

2761
03:49:20,850 --> 03:49:25,410
I've had conversations with all of you I've had conversations with most of the staff

2762
03:49:25,410 --> 03:49:28,150
And I think that a lot of things have to do with relationships

2763
03:49:28,150 --> 03:49:32,030
You have to have a relationship and open communication with people

2764
03:49:32,030 --> 03:49:35,930
So I just wanted to come because I was compelled to say I'm here

2765
03:49:35,930 --> 03:49:40,090
I want to say for the entire meeting because it's not only about more

2766
03:49:40,090 --> 03:49:43,330
toriums and data sentences about the county in general.

2767
03:49:43,950 --> 03:49:46,490
So once again, just want to say, hey, thank you.

2768
03:49:46,710 --> 03:49:49,110
And all that good stuff, and that's my time.

2769
03:49:49,570 --> 03:49:49,950
Thank you.

2770
03:49:50,370 --> 03:49:52,510
Speaker is Jake, is it for catch?

2771
03:49:55,470 --> 03:49:56,990
Is there a Jake Burkhead?

2772
03:50:05,390 --> 03:50:05,950
Hello,

2773
03:50:19,890 --> 03:50:41,850
my name is Vicky Richardson. I'm speaking for myself. I hope you all do the moratorium. And the three that's going out, I'd like you to go out with class before I did vote for you. So please go out with class. And maybe next time it's vote, you'll be back in here.

2774
03:50:43,310 --> 03:50:48,370
But I came up today for a problem I'm having that I can't get help.

2775
03:50:50,010 --> 03:51:00,610
I am being harassed by a woman with false phone numbers, false Facebook page, people,

2776
03:51:02,070 --> 03:51:09,430
and I know who it is, but I can't get anybody to look into it so I can get a restrained

2777
03:51:09,430 --> 03:51:13,690
know what her. She used to be at the American Legion,

2778
03:51:14,590 --> 03:51:17,070
Luz B-275, where I am.

2779
03:51:19,570 --> 03:51:23,810
She has been saying that I need to leave a little bit.

2780
03:51:23,890 --> 03:51:27,730
I don't want to cut you off by the means, but if this is a criminal matter and it

2781
03:51:27,730 --> 03:51:30,310
could end up in a criminal matter and you need your restraining order really

2782
03:51:30,310 --> 03:51:34,890
a sheriff's office is going to be here. I've been to this, they say they can't do

2783
03:51:34,890 --> 03:51:39,630
anything about it. That's why I'm saying I need help where to go. Have you talked to a

2784
03:51:39,630 --> 03:51:46,190
your core commissioner? No, I had called Jaws office. So a lot of times the

2785
03:51:46,190 --> 03:51:49,550
lot of times people say go see the commissioner's office. This isn't the right

2786
03:51:49,550 --> 03:51:53,470
commissioner's office. Okay where do I get the district court? The district court

2787
03:51:53,470 --> 03:51:57,250
commissioner's office is over in a district court building here and they can

2788
03:51:57,250 --> 03:52:01,410
probably help you with that matter. Yeah because now she's got people going meet

2789
03:52:01,410 --> 03:52:05,690
petta- I wouldn't go out into depth here. I really wouldn't do that. That's only

2790
03:52:05,690 --> 03:52:12,690
reason I got you all. So I go to go to the district court commissioners office. Okay. Okay, and they can help you there.

2791
03:52:13,730 --> 03:52:18,550
Man, I'm the clerk as soon as we're done here. I will meet you on the hallway and give you other resources as well.

2792
03:52:18,950 --> 03:52:21,130
Okay. Thank you. All right. Well, because I'm almost 70.

2793
03:52:22,230 --> 03:52:25,730
You know, I'm like this is terrible. Yes, they should be able to help you.

2794
03:52:25,730 --> 03:52:27,690
Okay. All right. You have a great rest of your day.

2795
03:52:28,770 --> 03:52:31,830
Next speaker is Loryoung.

2796
03:52:32,550 --> 03:52:34,370
Do we have a Loryoung in the audience?

2797
03:52:36,680 --> 03:52:36,800
All right.

2798
03:52:36,980 --> 03:52:39,340
Next speaker is Michael Pollock.

2799
03:52:45,460 --> 03:52:46,360
Oh, Michael Block.

2800
03:52:46,480 --> 03:52:48,060
I'm speaking as an individual.

2801
03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:51,160
Good to just societies.

2802
03:52:51,840 --> 03:52:53,980
Usually take a long time to perform.

2803
03:52:54,640 --> 03:52:55,960
I've done a lot of them.

2804
03:52:55,980 --> 03:52:57,740
I know some of them take years.

2805
03:52:58,680 --> 03:53:00,880
Usually two years is not enough.

2806
03:53:01,520 --> 03:53:03,780
Especially when there's a question about funding.

2807
03:53:06,200 --> 03:53:13,380
Suggestion that the Commission changed the zoning toward it was before, as mentioned by

2808
03:53:13,380 --> 03:53:19,580
Brassel and Haraj, I think that's an excellent idea that they should change it back and also

2809
03:53:19,580 --> 03:53:26,660
band data centers. It takes a long time to do a good series of studies to evaluate the answers

2810
03:53:26,660 --> 03:53:34,100
regarding it. Once these studies are done, then they can be re-evaluated.

2811
03:53:34,100 --> 03:53:38,090
and our position could be really good.

2812
03:53:38,210 --> 03:53:42,670
Calvert County also needs to allocate

2813
03:53:42,670 --> 03:53:44,890
some money to fund these studies.

2814
03:53:46,070 --> 03:53:48,770
Again, I've gone with the environmental,

2815
03:53:49,050 --> 03:53:53,210
or I've attended the Environmental Commission meeting,

2816
03:53:53,750 --> 03:53:56,410
and that's one of the big questions they have,

2817
03:53:56,770 --> 03:53:59,590
is who's gonna fund or where are they gonna get funding

2818
03:53:59,590 --> 03:54:00,530
for the stuff.

2819
03:54:01,790 --> 03:54:04,170
And all these studies do take money.

2820
03:54:04,170 --> 03:54:10,450
So, I want to thank you for your attendance and for your good suggestions.

2821
03:54:11,170 --> 03:54:11,370
Thank you.

2822
03:54:11,370 --> 03:54:11,850
Thank you.

2823
03:54:13,530 --> 03:54:15,570
Next speaker is Nancy Krauss.

2824
03:54:24,100 --> 03:54:24,740
Good afternoon.

2825
03:54:25,400 --> 03:54:26,860
Nancy Krauss speaking as an individual.

2826
03:54:27,540 --> 03:54:27,960
Thank you.

2827
03:54:28,280 --> 03:54:31,760
I want to thank the commissioners for doing the right thing.

2828
03:54:32,220 --> 03:54:35,260
I had to step out to take a phone call from a physician.

2829
03:54:35,660 --> 03:54:37,600
So I really didn't hear how it all ended.

2830
03:54:37,600 --> 03:54:41,300
but I am hoping it ends well for everyone.

2831
03:54:43,580 --> 03:54:45,760
I want to address a few other things.

2832
03:54:46,540 --> 03:54:49,840
School will be starting soon, and we have amazing teachers

2833
03:54:49,840 --> 03:54:51,960
and support staff for our kids.

2834
03:54:52,620 --> 03:54:56,700
I hope many of the educators will take the opportunity

2835
03:54:56,700 --> 03:54:59,340
to discuss how democracy works.

2836
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:08,160
I think Calvert County has demonstrated that. Our small county of Calvert is such a great example of the power of the people.

2837
03:55:08,820 --> 03:55:17,220
Communities came together over a cause that we all felt strongly against. We worked together to change the flavor of the BOCC.

2838
03:55:18,540 --> 03:55:25,220
Three long-established members were primary. It shocked many, many people.

2839
03:55:25,220 --> 03:55:28,380
But that's how democracy works.

2840
03:55:29,060 --> 03:55:30,120
People have the power.

2841
03:55:31,260 --> 03:55:34,200
So I'm asking teachers, please take this opportunity

2842
03:55:34,200 --> 03:55:37,240
to bring civics into the curriculum.

2843
03:55:38,340 --> 03:55:41,200
The other thing I want to address is the recent decision

2844
03:55:41,200 --> 03:55:45,200
that the BOCC had violated the open meetings act.

2845
03:55:45,800 --> 03:55:48,940
I appreciate those findings being read at the beginning of the meeting.

2846
03:55:49,500 --> 03:55:52,600
Much time and effort by several citizens and organizations

2847
03:55:52,600 --> 03:55:57,440
went into obtaining that info to place this concern. Please know that when

2848
03:55:57,440 --> 03:56:01,960
citizens ask the staff to obtain information, it is not to make them

2849
03:56:01,960 --> 03:56:07,540
do busy work. It is not to harass them. Yet it is to gather information and

2850
03:56:07,540 --> 03:56:13,320
documentation that proves a concern of the way things have happened. A lot of

2851
03:56:13,320 --> 03:56:18,140
digging and puzzle-piece information went into making those reports. During

2852
03:56:18,140 --> 03:56:24,680
Several meetings, some BOCC members sat up there and criticized the community community and

2853
03:56:24,680 --> 03:56:27,500
making them ask for this information.

2854
03:56:28,500 --> 03:56:33,300
I think it proved that that was vital information that needed to be shared.

2855
03:56:33,880 --> 03:56:34,140
Thank you.

2856
03:56:34,200 --> 03:56:34,760
Thank you for your time.

2857
03:56:35,300 --> 03:56:36,940
Next speaker is Ethan Cox.

2858
03:56:42,280 --> 03:56:42,800
Hello again.

2859
03:56:43,420 --> 03:56:43,840
Commissioners.

2860
03:56:44,140 --> 03:56:48,440
Ethan Cox can't at four district one county commissioners speaking on behalf of myself.

2861
03:56:50,260 --> 03:56:55,100
So I just want to flash back to clock all the way to, if it was the January or February

2862
03:56:55,100 --> 03:57:02,540
2025, where, you know, we had concerns as a community about density in our town centers.

2863
03:57:03,560 --> 03:57:07,720
And somehow the vote to address that also included rezoning the 800 acres.

2864
03:57:08,520 --> 03:57:13,440
And I think, I'm not believing anyone for that vote because I think all of you did it with good

2865
03:57:13,440 --> 03:57:14,240
intent in mind.

2866
03:57:14,240 --> 03:57:18,880
And I don't think there is anything the ferry is going on, anyone saying otherwise is frankly wrong.

2867
03:57:19,600 --> 03:57:23,880
But with that said, I think that there has been a dialogue about county revenue.

2868
03:57:24,520 --> 03:57:29,980
That was shown even today where, you know, it's almost seen as this binary choice.

2869
03:57:30,160 --> 03:57:34,940
Oh, we need high density housing, you know, we need 10,000 units or we need a data center.

2870
03:57:36,060 --> 03:57:36,780
I don't think that's true.

2871
03:57:36,780 --> 03:57:43,420
I don't think we need either of those things to ensure our physical

2872
03:57:43,420 --> 03:57:48,400
stability moving forward and I'm mainly looking at two opportunities for this next

2873
03:57:48,400 --> 03:57:55,080
board. Number one, Constellation's pilot agreement is up next year and according

2874
03:57:55,080 --> 03:57:59,160
to some experts we're pretty undervalued on that current agreement. Right now it's

2875
03:57:59,160 --> 03:58:02,260
21 million. I'm here and it could be up to 10 million more that we could get if we

2876
03:58:02,260 --> 03:58:05,720
Hopefully do this right based off some experts I talked to up in DC.

2877
03:58:07,040 --> 03:58:11,240
So when we're looking at, say a medium sized data center is $25 million dollars.

2878
03:58:11,600 --> 03:58:14,320
That's 10 million right there that we may have left on the table or maybe the economic

2879
03:58:14,320 --> 03:58:16,700
conditions say right out of time to get some more money.

2880
03:58:17,060 --> 03:58:22,140
The other thing that I'm looking at is we have a federal and state grant deficit.

2881
03:58:22,360 --> 03:58:27,000
We're making 10% of what St. Mary's does and what Charles County does off of our grants

2882
03:58:27,000 --> 03:58:28,240
from our federal and state partners.

2883
03:58:28,700 --> 03:58:31,280
And I don't care what party they are because the Trump administration's doing it and

2884
03:58:31,280 --> 03:58:33,940
more administration's doing it, and we're leaving money on the table.

2885
03:58:34,580 --> 03:58:39,340
So really when we're talking about how do we get $30 million to make sure that issues such

2886
03:58:39,340 --> 03:58:44,680
as our teachers' health care is covered, we can look other ways than just high-density

2887
03:58:44,680 --> 03:58:46,420
housing and data centers.

2888
03:58:46,840 --> 03:58:47,340
Thank you.

2889
03:58:47,520 --> 03:58:47,820
Thank you.

2890
03:58:48,160 --> 03:58:48,540
Thank you.

2891
03:58:48,540 --> 03:58:49,880
Next speaker is Jeff Tixon.

2892
03:58:52,420 --> 03:58:52,980
Good afternoon.

2893
03:58:52,980 --> 03:58:53,880
My name is Jeff Tixon.

2894
03:58:54,060 --> 03:58:55,400
I'll be representing myself.

2895
03:58:55,840 --> 03:59:00,520
This will basically be a repeat because Mr. and Grasso had to step out.

2896
03:59:00,520 --> 03:59:02,880
So, this is why I'm doing it again.

2897
03:59:03,940 --> 03:59:09,640
So, first of all, I would like to thank Mike Hart and Catherine Gassau for the

2898
03:59:09,640 --> 03:59:16,020
persistent to introduce a more thorium at the last six times in the past.

2899
03:59:16,160 --> 03:59:19,620
It's been a bumpy road with legal procedures changing or being reinforced.

2900
03:59:21,400 --> 03:59:24,120
Hopefully, hopefully you'll be finally approved.

2901
03:59:24,620 --> 03:59:27,960
Second, I saw your video yesterday.

2902
03:59:27,960 --> 03:59:33,020
Thank you for creating our guidelines to earn the more authority.

2903
03:59:34,340 --> 03:59:38,940
Thanks for addressing the Arizona ordinance that needs to be rolled back to the original

2904
03:59:38,940 --> 03:59:40,220
comprehensive plan.

2905
03:59:40,920 --> 03:59:46,820
Thanks for addressing the environmental study that is unique for cover County.

2906
03:59:47,240 --> 03:59:48,120
Thank you very much.

2907
03:59:48,400 --> 03:59:48,800
Thank you.

2908
03:59:48,800 --> 03:59:50,520
Next speaker is Dylan Johnson.

2909
04:00:07,790 --> 04:00:11,150
Still in Johnson and St. Leonard speaking for myself today.

2910
04:00:11,290 --> 04:00:11,530
Perfect.

2911
04:00:12,910 --> 04:00:15,190
So congrats on the more touring book.

2912
04:00:15,490 --> 04:00:18,790
I think everybody that showed up here was pretty happy about that.

2913
04:00:19,770 --> 04:00:20,970
Like Mr. White said earlier.

2914
04:00:21,890 --> 04:00:21,890
Clearly,

2915
04:00:24,580 --> 04:00:26,060
a lot of them were here for that.

2916
04:00:26,880 --> 04:00:32,140
I heard a lot of different counties and a lot of different areas coming out to support a more touring for liberal

2917
04:00:32,140 --> 04:00:33,040
Calvary counties.

2918
04:00:34,100 --> 04:00:35,700
So, you know, who does to them?

2919
04:00:35,860 --> 04:00:38,680
I guess it reaches out, but, you know,

2920
04:00:38,800 --> 04:00:40,100
they're the same counties in all the stuff.

2921
04:00:40,820 --> 04:00:43,280
Also, you know, pollute everything around them.

2922
04:00:43,420 --> 04:00:45,600
It's the determines that there is forever in the country.

2923
04:00:46,420 --> 04:00:47,880
Well, we got Charles County up here saying,

2924
04:00:48,060 --> 04:00:49,700
we need a more total amount of data centers

2925
04:00:49,700 --> 04:00:51,560
because it affects us too.

2926
04:00:52,120 --> 04:00:53,300
Sure, great.

2927
04:00:53,460 --> 04:00:54,920
Fix your own stuff, though, you know?

2928
04:00:55,400 --> 04:00:57,020
Go fix that first.

2929
04:00:57,700 --> 04:01:01,300
We've been doing just fine, but that really is me

2930
04:01:01,300 --> 04:01:02,900
to the only point I wanted to make today.

2931
04:01:02,900 --> 04:01:08,680
with that moratorium, clearly everybody was in favor of that cool, I'm fine with that.

2932
04:01:09,020 --> 04:01:12,880
The problem lies in where are you going to find the funding, right?

2933
04:01:13,480 --> 04:01:16,280
So Marilyn has a status failing, we all know that.

2934
04:01:17,780 --> 04:01:23,960
It seems like there's a correlation with poverty rates as opposed to state grant funding rates.

2935
04:01:24,760 --> 04:01:29,340
We rank as one of the lowest counties, if not the lowest county in poverty rate, therefore

2936
04:01:29,340 --> 04:01:31,300
where we get the least amount of state funding

2937
04:01:31,300 --> 04:01:32,580
for any kind of programs.

2938
04:01:33,700 --> 04:01:36,220
So is that where we're going to make up all the difference?

2939
04:01:37,760 --> 04:01:41,360
We've had to make up teacher salaries out of our own pocket

2940
04:01:41,360 --> 04:01:42,860
and all that good stuff.

2941
04:01:43,120 --> 04:01:44,980
I just don't see an avenue out.

2942
04:01:46,560 --> 04:01:48,940
And the three that are leaving, the two that

2943
04:01:48,940 --> 04:01:51,220
are have made it to the next round, I guess.

2944
04:01:51,380 --> 04:01:53,500
I'll say, anybody has in a running.

2945
04:01:53,820 --> 04:01:56,620
I mean, I just want to hear a plan that you

2946
04:01:56,620 --> 04:01:58,920
got elected by running on a simple platform

2947
04:01:58,920 --> 04:02:05,920
no data centers. I haven't heard anything outside of that. That was it. That was where they drew

2948
04:02:05,920 --> 04:02:12,580
the line. What is the plan moving forward? That's it. Thank you. Thank you.

2949
04:02:17,690 --> 04:02:21,570
Commissioners, we have no other speakers in the audience at this time. I will turn it over to

2950
04:02:21,570 --> 04:02:23,350
Andrew Miller, who is going to be our moderator.

2951
04:02:26,570 --> 04:02:30,390
We do have some speakers online. If anyone else

2952
04:02:30,390 --> 04:02:34,210
which is to speak, please raise your hand or press the start five function.

2953
04:02:35,050 --> 04:02:38,770
Caller with the last four digits ending in 4, 4, 8, 5.

2954
04:02:38,790 --> 04:02:42,610
We are ready to receive your comments, please state your name and address, and whether

2955
04:02:42,610 --> 04:02:47,750
you'll be speaking as an individual, or as the designated representative of a group,

2956
04:02:48,130 --> 04:02:50,390
please press star six to mute.

2957
04:02:56,640 --> 04:03:00,760
Hi, my name is Teresa Jailer from Hunting Town, and I'm speaking on behalf of myself.

2958
04:03:01,400 --> 04:03:08,660
I've been involved with the planning of voting process since January 2025, trying to do some

2959
04:03:08,660 --> 04:03:13,440
family conveyances, and there were some major changes that got stuck up into the whole

2960
04:03:13,440 --> 04:03:18,520
March 1st, rewrite, and I think it's going to cherry-picking, you know, just the data center

2961
04:03:18,520 --> 04:03:22,900
stuff, now that we have community involvement, now we have a new sense of governance, now we have a new

2962
04:03:22,900 --> 04:03:29,780
sense of transparency, let's roll back the entire planning of voting regulations to that pre-March

2963
04:03:29,780 --> 04:03:58,240
first date, because as you can help them, all the techs of them, and for kind of that in clean up trying to fix all the things we rush through, and I think now that we have community engagement, and I have personal stake in it, I'm interested in going back. Instead of, you know, the whole smoke and mirrors that we were working with or at least things like we were working with, I think there's a real opportunity to come clean and start fresh, and I wish, such as the data center problem, it's really people protecting their properties.

2964
04:03:58,240 --> 04:04:01,680
and having, you know, stay in what they do with their property.

2965
04:04:02,520 --> 04:04:03,680
So, hope that can be considered.

2966
04:04:06,980 --> 04:04:07,740
Thank you.

2967
04:04:07,920 --> 04:04:08,240
Thank you.

2968
04:04:08,380 --> 04:04:08,860
All right.

2969
04:04:10,460 --> 04:04:13,520
There are no other speakers at this time with their hands raised.

2970
04:04:16,780 --> 04:04:17,040
Okay.

2971
04:04:17,120 --> 04:04:17,340
Thanks.

2972
04:04:18,040 --> 04:04:19,420
Thank you.

2973
04:04:19,680 --> 04:04:19,680
Well,

2974
04:04:26,780 --> 04:04:31,260
there's been a lot of activity going on with North Beach Volunteer Fire Department.

2975
04:04:31,260 --> 04:04:32,920
There are a hundredth anniversary.

2976
04:04:34,020 --> 04:04:37,820
I attended the Bayside History Museum and Pat Nutter,

2977
04:04:37,820 --> 04:04:46,240
who is a long time-covered county and he took us back decades with some great stories.

2978
04:04:46,720 --> 04:04:52,380
Twin Beach Libraries John Tiffett, who is a firefighter, he is written a wonderful book

2979
04:04:52,380 --> 04:04:56,580
on the history of North Beach Volunteer Fire Department.

2980
04:04:57,120 --> 04:04:59,940
I also attended the Adult Treatment Court.

2981
04:05:00,180 --> 04:05:09,300
I also attended First Friday. A American Chestnut Land Trust, they had a crab feast, and I attended that.

2982
04:05:09,440 --> 04:05:21,740
The parade on Saturday for the fire department, I was unable to attend that, but I was lucky enough to be there as so many of the apparatus and apparatus as a word.

2983
04:05:21,740 --> 04:05:28,220
I'm embracing. I didn't know what packet was when I first got here, but fire trucks and ambulances

2984
04:05:28,220 --> 04:05:34,600
and the old apparatus. It was great seeing that. Also attended the master, which was a lot

2985
04:05:34,600 --> 04:05:41,820
of fun. The One Room Schoolhouse had a ice cream social and I attended that and also had a

2986
04:05:41,820 --> 04:05:49,980
tour of the One Room Schoolhouse. On Friday, I attended the Calvert House celebration. It was held

2987
04:05:49,980 --> 04:05:51,300
at the Rod and Real.

2988
04:05:51,860 --> 04:05:56,100
My suggestion is, covered hospital, do more of these.

2989
04:05:56,400 --> 04:06:00,660
It was affordable, got to connect with people.

2990
04:06:00,800 --> 04:06:02,180
I raised my children with.

2991
04:06:02,180 --> 04:06:03,840
I've been on committees with.

2992
04:06:04,120 --> 04:06:06,620
I've, you know, it just was great.

2993
04:06:06,800 --> 04:06:07,880
See, and so many people.

2994
04:06:08,240 --> 04:06:11,700
And I think we saw them because it was an affordable event.

2995
04:06:11,700 --> 04:06:14,520
And it was done very, very well.

2996
04:06:15,760 --> 04:06:21,700
Tonight starts the North Beach Volunteer Fire Department's Carnival, and it goes to Saturday.

2997
04:06:22,720 --> 04:06:28,420
Also, I wanted to thank everyone who has participated with your comments,

2998
04:06:28,640 --> 04:06:32,280
who is showing up with your rallies, with your protest.

2999
04:06:32,740 --> 04:06:35,380
This is what democracy is all about.

3000
04:06:35,600 --> 04:06:37,800
And four years ago, I was you.

3001
04:06:37,800 --> 04:06:48,220
I was very pissed off because we, we were growing at such a rate in this county and, and I know that

3002
04:06:48,720 --> 04:06:53,700
um, people did not want it and this goes back to two, three previous boards.

3003
04:06:54,320 --> 04:07:00,460
A lot of people think my, my regalance doesn't know what she's talking about.

3004
04:07:00,720 --> 04:07:05,120
She had the right information on that, the backroom deals that were made and we're still,

3005
04:07:05,120 --> 04:07:12,560
We're still going to be suffering from more development in our county that's been on the books for at least 10 years.

3006
04:07:13,280 --> 04:07:17,200
So I appreciate you all. I appreciate you all coming out.

3007
04:07:17,280 --> 04:07:20,160
You know, raise hell with us. That's what we're here for.

3008
04:07:20,420 --> 04:07:23,700
We're here to hear the good and the bad that we do.

3009
04:07:23,820 --> 04:07:26,560
Because you know what? We work for you all.

3010
04:07:27,000 --> 04:07:31,200
And we're making the big bucks here. So put us to task, okay?

3011
04:07:31,780 --> 04:07:37,820
I also wanted to say one thing, and I'm only going to say this once, I'm not going to say this again.

3012
04:07:38,500 --> 04:07:45,120
When data centers first came to this county, when we were first approached, as a county commissioner,

3013
04:07:45,180 --> 04:07:51,940
I thought it was incumbent upon me to see if this might be a good fit for our county.

3014
04:07:51,940 --> 04:07:57,880
and we did make some moves and we did try to put things in place to see if we could

3015
04:07:57,880 --> 04:08:08,400
accommodate extra income for this county. As we went on, it became apparent that I

3016
04:08:08,400 --> 04:08:12,740
wasn't getting all of the information I needed to make the decisions I needed

3017
04:08:12,740 --> 04:08:19,240
to have. Recently, I had a conversation with Mike Hart and Commissioner Hart

3018
04:08:19,240 --> 04:08:29,440
and Commissioner Hats, and we did iron through some of that, and Mr. Commissioner Hats did say that we were not included on everything.

3019
04:08:29,880 --> 04:08:44,560
We did not have all the information we did and he apologized to us, and I appreciate that Commissioner Hats. I really do. We've all made mistakes, but my bottom line is when you're Commissioner, you're working for the people.

3020
04:08:44,560 --> 04:09:02,220
You can explore any avenues that might benefit your constituents, but when you see that your constituents are opposed to going into a particular direction you pivot you do with the people want.

3021
04:09:02,780 --> 04:09:10,180
I've come from a blue collar family. My blue collar workers have said to me, especially I'll tell you one, one, my grandson.

3022
04:09:10,740 --> 04:09:15,080
my mom, but I'm an electrician. This is going to bring work. I said, buddy,

3023
04:09:16,040 --> 04:09:21,780
I love you to death, but this is what our people want. And if our people don't want it,

3024
04:09:21,880 --> 04:09:29,780
I don't want it. Our people want it. I do want it. So I apologize for any perceived mistakes,

3025
04:09:30,100 --> 04:09:37,500
any actual mistakes that I have made as a commissioner. I'm not anybody who has

3026
04:09:37,500 --> 04:09:45,280
we these past four years knows that I am real and I speak from the heart and I speak my truth.

3027
04:09:45,840 --> 04:09:56,480
This is not a campaign, Chloe. I am telling you straight forward how I feel I'm going to say it once in

3028
04:09:56,480 --> 04:09:59,860
And from this day forward, we move.

3029
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:08,100
To undo this mess and I move to run on what we need to do within this county and data centers are not the only

3030
04:10:08,100 --> 04:10:18,180
darn thing that are happening in this county and everybody needs to step up to the plate and let their constituents know what they're going to do for this county.

3031
04:10:18,620 --> 04:10:28,300
Expand your platform because it's not just data centers. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your involvement. I do appreciate you. Thank you very much.

3032
04:10:33,140 --> 04:10:38,520
So last week we attended make-o, most of you may not know what make-o is, Maryland Association.

3033
04:10:38,760 --> 04:10:45,360
The counties have a convention every summer, and it's a great opportunity to work with your fellow commissioners.

3034
04:10:45,380 --> 04:10:47,680
Some other parts of the state learn about what's going on.

3035
04:10:47,780 --> 04:10:51,840
We did meet with three or four different secretaries, talk through some issues.

3036
04:10:51,920 --> 04:10:56,280
As you heard, we found Mr. Estes, an opportunity maybe for some funding for his project.

3037
04:10:56,500 --> 04:10:58,080
So we hope that works out for sure.

3038
04:11:00,520 --> 04:11:03,020
Mr. Cox and I have talked about grant funding before.

3039
04:11:03,120 --> 04:11:05,820
One issue we have in Maryland is that we're in Calver County.

3040
04:11:06,100 --> 04:11:07,960
With Maryland grant funding is a lot of times,

3041
04:11:07,960 --> 04:11:12,200
you know, we're considered a wealthy county and we don't qualify for a lot of that funding that's out.

3042
04:11:12,260 --> 04:11:13,900
They're even on the federal level too.

3043
04:11:14,200 --> 04:11:18,460
We're just classified as a wealthy county and that kicks us out of a lot of those programs.

3044
04:11:18,920 --> 04:11:24,060
But I can assure you we're always looking for grant opportunities for this county.

3045
04:11:24,060 --> 04:11:40,420
And on the open meetings issue, you know, most of that, there's been some comments on Facebook about, you know, was that some of the various action by the commissioners, you know, every week when we set the agenda, the attorney reviews the agenda, he determines what goes on open and what goes on closed.

3046
04:11:41,100 --> 04:11:44,860
The attorney drafts the minutes up the reports afterwards.

3047
04:11:45,560 --> 04:11:47,360
We don't have anything to do with that.

3048
04:11:47,820 --> 04:11:52,220
So, just want you to know there was nothing nefarious in any of that.

3049
04:11:53,380 --> 04:11:59,220
And I too, you know, Commissioner Grasso said, and Mr. L1, who's not here anymore, he's made

3050
04:11:59,220 --> 04:12:04,520
a comment a couple of times about he believes there was a lack of information, and I can tell

3051
04:12:04,520 --> 04:12:12,520
you all right here right now. We knew very little about that project, very little. They always

3052
04:12:12,520 --> 04:12:19,260
used the analogy with us, AWS, that we don't have a deal with consolation, so we can't really

3053
04:12:19,260 --> 04:12:24,580
talk about the project until we have a deal, and they never had a deal, they never signed

3054
04:12:24,580 --> 04:12:30,920
the deal with consolation, which is part of the reason why they walked, but, you know, we

3055
04:12:30,920 --> 04:12:36,500
were getting information from the street just like a lot of you. You know, when that job posting

3056
04:12:36,500 --> 04:12:42,840
came up, I called early A's on and I said, what the heck? She claimed to not have any clue

3057
04:12:42,840 --> 04:12:48,820
that there was a job posting for that project. Still maintaining they had no agreement with consolation

3058
04:12:48,820 --> 04:12:53,180
And until they had a agreement with consolation, she couldn't really talk about the project.

3059
04:12:53,400 --> 04:13:03,640
So when they applied for their site plan, whenever that was, two months ago, that was the first time we actually got to see what they were going to do on that property.

3060
04:13:05,060 --> 04:13:15,240
Now, I mean, they had talked to us for two years, intermittently about the scope of the project, but no details of what that project was.

3061
04:13:15,240 --> 04:13:21,840
So on that I can, you know, in a very first meeting, they talked about, I asked, what's the budget for this project?

3062
04:13:22,480 --> 04:13:25,520
The budget for the project was $22 billion.

3063
04:13:27,560 --> 04:13:31,020
And people have asked here lately, so what was the county going to get out of that?

3064
04:13:31,020 --> 04:13:39,960
Well, if they had spent $22 billion in Calvary County, the revenue from that project would have been $400 million a year to Calvary County.

3065
04:13:39,960 --> 04:13:47,140
So, Mr. Grasso says, at least from the start, we had an obligation to at least try to figure out

3066
04:13:47,140 --> 04:13:50,940
what is this? Is it a good work at our county? Is it not good for at our county?

3067
04:13:53,360 --> 04:14:01,320
But, you know, it's just an unfortunate situation and very frustrating for all of us. So, but

3068
04:14:02,040 --> 04:14:08,340
I appreciate, and I do ask prayers. I had a farmer friend who had a very significant accident last week on

3069
04:14:08,340 --> 04:14:14,220
who's recovering and just asked you to put him in your prayer and she's got a long road to recover.

3070
04:14:14,740 --> 04:14:16,340
So for that, thank you.

3071
04:14:17,420 --> 04:14:17,900
Is it hurt?

3072
04:14:21,140 --> 04:14:25,120
So what to the ACLT crab feast as well?

3073
04:14:25,320 --> 04:14:27,460
It's a great, great organization.

3074
04:14:28,440 --> 04:14:30,560
Something I used to do with Commissioner Nudder a lot,

3075
04:14:31,040 --> 04:14:33,180
I used to go to the senior centers.

3076
04:14:34,420 --> 04:14:37,680
And something I needed to get back into,

3077
04:14:37,680 --> 04:14:45,540
I went and had lunch at Southern Pines. I like to just kind of walk in, just to see, you know,

3078
04:14:46,960 --> 04:14:51,960
Commissioner Nutter East Tees me says, Mike like seniors, animals and kids, you know, but you know,

3079
04:14:52,080 --> 04:14:58,680
all three of them can't defend themselves. So I'd just like to kind of go through there and I've been on that.

3080
04:14:59,580 --> 04:14:59,940
I want to say

3081
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:09,100
Today's a sincere thank you to everyone when I very first proposed to your moratorium. I heard everything from

3082
04:15:09,100 --> 04:15:19,200
I was crazy to everything under the sun and boy everybody picked up it just ran right with it. I mean over 10,000 signatures.

3083
04:15:19,200 --> 04:15:24,880
I don't know that. I'll ever be done in this county again. I mean, I think it doesn't

3084
04:15:24,880 --> 04:15:29,640
have to, but I don't, I don't, that was just remarkable.

3085
04:15:31,820 --> 04:15:34,060
I got a lot of history with Jeff,

3086
04:15:34,220 --> 04:15:41,560
we remember Dominion, and mistakes weren't learned from that. Hopefully, future boards won't

3087
04:15:41,560 --> 04:15:43,300
have to have a third mistake.

3088
04:15:48,440 --> 04:15:51,960
It's truly, truly, and I can't say it enough, remarkable

3089
04:15:51,960 --> 04:15:59,320
how many people have taken so much of their expertise and put into this.

3090
04:16:00,420 --> 04:16:03,640
I've always said, you know, Calvin County might be small, but there's a lot of brilliant

3091
04:16:03,640 --> 04:16:08,020
people here. A lot of people from a lot of walks of life, a lot of people really care about

3092
04:16:08,020 --> 04:16:14,280
their home, you know, years and years ago, there was a politician that tried to bring water

3093
04:16:14,280 --> 04:16:21,460
and sewer to Dunkirk, and that was a huge no-no. It became kind of known and political things

3094
04:16:21,460 --> 04:16:26,500
don't talk about water, sewer, and Dunkirk. Commissioner Grosson is all about that. I think

3095
04:16:26,500 --> 04:16:31,520
future boards are going to know don't talk about data-sanders in counter-county. I think it's going

3096
04:16:31,520 --> 04:16:36,540
to have that to it. Somebody's going to come from out of the county and walk in and go, hey,

3097
04:16:36,540 --> 04:16:37,440
What about data center?

3098
04:16:37,460 --> 04:16:39,140
So I'm not going to shut them right down right there.

3099
04:16:39,240 --> 04:16:44,720
I think that that is something that is going to be part of Coward County's political

3100
04:16:44,720 --> 04:16:55,040
makeup now to what Commissioner Hanson, you know, we've gotten away from saying, are 20%.

3101
04:16:55,040 --> 04:17:05,520
It's just a lot of confusion gets in and a lot of, I've told you guys, my multiple

3102
04:17:05,520 --> 04:17:14,520
multiple multiple times. My role in the data center thing and I'm not to beat the dead horse

3103
04:17:14,520 --> 04:17:20,080
there. I found out most of the information as you did.

3104
04:17:22,320 --> 04:17:25,900
But as Commissioner Grosso said,

3105
04:17:27,380 --> 04:17:34,820
going forward, so going forward, there will be no data centers, zoning will go back to the

3106
04:17:34,820 --> 04:17:43,780
was. This misnomer that we have to have it to pay the bills. I've never had them to pay the bills.

3107
04:17:44,340 --> 04:17:48,740
I don't get up thinking how am I going to pay the bills with the data center. You know,

3108
04:17:49,020 --> 04:17:52,740
and you're going to hear me say this in a couple of months and you're going to laugh at me and

3109
04:17:52,740 --> 04:17:58,260
call me corny and I'm going to tell you how it was raised. Don't spend more than what comes in.

3110
04:17:58,880 --> 04:18:03,840
And I know that sounds corny and old-fashioned. There's new magic tricks to do in the budget.

3111
04:18:03,840 --> 04:18:11,560
It really isn't. I've told the people before when I got here if somebody said we needed a pencil four people said, well, what are you going to cut to get that pencil?

3112
04:18:12,660 --> 04:18:19,860
I've been here when there was literally no money and we were bleeding fund balance. We're not going back to that again.

3113
04:18:20,240 --> 04:18:25,420
We don't have to go back to that again. You heard a little bit about the CIP presentation.

3114
04:18:25,420 --> 04:18:30,780
they talk about how we've kept that under that threshold. There's certain parameters that we've done.

3115
04:18:30,960 --> 04:18:35,080
We don't do little things like slurry. You know, there's a lot of things get the slurry's like this

3116
04:18:35,080 --> 04:18:39,680
piece that they'll on the road. It's a waste of time. It's a waste of money. We've really tried to work

3117
04:18:39,680 --> 04:18:48,400
hard as a small county to work smart and we'll continue to do that. But I really want to thank

3118
04:18:48,400 --> 04:18:55,140
everyone again for all the effort and time put in. It's really when you talk about why we're the best

3119
04:18:55,420 --> 04:19:00,220
in the state of Maryland, it's because we are so small and we acknowledge how much we need each other

3120
04:19:00,220 --> 04:19:05,240
and we need each other's expertise and everybody that's why we were the last to have paid

3121
04:19:06,280 --> 04:19:14,400
fire staff, the PDMTs, the PDMTs, we were the last all volunteer system. So once again I want to thank

3122
04:19:14,400 --> 04:19:18,160
you, Cover County and thank everybody involved for that.

3123
04:19:22,230 --> 04:19:24,390
Thank you most President. I spent most

3124
04:19:24,390 --> 04:19:31,610
we can make with fellow commissioners Hans and Ireland. And I kind of got a disagree with

3125
04:19:31,610 --> 04:19:37,150
commissioner Hart here because, you know, we did a lot of networking down there. We talked

3126
04:19:37,150 --> 04:19:45,650
with a lot of elected officials. And a lot of the discussions that we had dealt with

3127
04:19:46,430 --> 04:19:53,270
wooden sewer, septics, holding tanks. If we don't have these conversations,

3128
04:19:53,270 --> 04:19:59,930
where will we be as a county? We need to fix our aging pipes. We need a...

3129
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:08,700
The rate of fixed of the voting tanks. People can't afford $600 a month to get a holding tank pumped out. We

3130
04:20:08,700 --> 04:20:15,780
have to have these conversations. In most of our conversations, at least with me, was with data centers

3131
04:20:15,780 --> 04:20:24,780
and Wardens sewer, septics and holding tanks. We're just not the only county that deals with this.

3132
04:20:29,260 --> 04:20:29,980
It's

3133
04:20:29,980 --> 04:20:34,760
solutions on how we move forward, where are we at as a county?

3134
04:20:35,460 --> 04:20:38,400
Yeah, we're going to live in a cesspool, who wants that?

3135
04:20:38,540 --> 04:20:47,180
So we have to have hard conversations about our septics, our wood and sewer lines, and

3136
04:20:47,180 --> 04:20:53,420
how we fix them, how we go about it, what's permissible on the other end of the building

3137
04:20:53,420 --> 04:20:53,960
side.

3138
04:20:54,140 --> 04:20:57,300
We have to put, you know, ordinance in place for that.

3139
04:20:57,300 --> 04:21:11,960
So, we have some good conversations down there, so stay highway and so forth, but we have to have these conversations and we have to learn to disagree with each other and learn to come to a solution.

3140
04:21:13,600 --> 04:21:20,460
Back to school next week, so everybody slowed down with the school buses on the road and you all have a great day.

3141
04:21:22,000 --> 04:21:27,280
So, Mr. Attorney, the more touring does that vote, it goes into effect today.

3142
04:21:28,360 --> 04:21:29,900
10 days from now.

3143
04:21:30,260 --> 04:21:35,460
So that puts us to February 28th.

3144
04:21:36,280 --> 04:21:38,580
February 28th.

3145
04:21:38,720 --> 04:21:40,120
It's just a February 28th.

3146
04:21:40,660 --> 04:21:45,920
Oh, it's just a February 28th, for that would expire.

3147
04:21:46,500 --> 04:21:48,740
I just, I didn't hear that come out as far as expiration date.

3148
04:21:48,740 --> 04:21:55,420
So the other commissioners and new commissioners will all be sworn in December 15th so that gives them two and a half months to

3149
04:21:56,400 --> 04:21:58,920
If nothing change, I'm not the James between them. I

3150
04:21:58,920 --> 04:22:07,440
Dequire, I said, I'm on the commissioner Cox. What he had to say and I talked about it many times. You know, our county has a lot of low-line areas

3151
04:22:07,440 --> 04:22:17,100
Co-point beads coming up long beats cow or beads, can't with beads. And you're starting to see all these septic systems fail along the way to Ranskbo

3152
04:22:17,680 --> 04:22:20,960
keep north breezy point, but you're starting to see these septic systems fail.

3153
04:22:21,580 --> 04:22:26,000
Now, let's we come up with a plan for water and sewer and put a pipeline in somewhere,

3154
04:22:26,720 --> 04:22:31,340
the value of these homes, and the affordability for people living these homes is another thing

3155
04:22:31,340 --> 04:22:39,920
that's going to go down. We have to be able to plan ahead. I say I talked about this all the time.

3156
04:22:39,920 --> 04:22:43,460
paid fire, paid fire, you're looking at $50 million.

3157
04:22:44,520 --> 04:22:46,620
Is that five years down the rate of 10 years down the rate?

3158
04:22:46,780 --> 04:22:47,840
I don't know how far it is down the rate.

3159
04:22:48,060 --> 04:22:49,080
What is going to happen?

3160
04:22:49,880 --> 04:22:52,280
And that funding, and we're going to have to find revenues

3161
04:22:52,280 --> 04:22:54,420
from somewhere, where is it going to come from?

3162
04:22:55,880 --> 04:22:56,240
I don't know.

3163
04:22:56,800 --> 04:22:58,740
I don't know what the next best thing is going to be,

3164
04:22:58,860 --> 04:23:00,200
or where revenue is going to come from.

3165
04:23:01,380 --> 04:23:05,420
But the thing with people talking about high density housing

3166
04:23:05,420 --> 04:23:08,400
and residential growth, residential growth

3167
04:23:08,400 --> 04:23:13,500
costs us money. It makes no money whatsoever. It costs us money across all Europe,

3168
04:23:13,500 --> 04:23:16,980
APF, but whether it's water and sewer, whether it's your roads, whether it's your schools,

3169
04:23:17,380 --> 04:23:23,500
whatever it is, it costs us money. We have to plan ahead and it's going to be a challenge.

3170
04:23:24,160 --> 04:23:38,380
And every session that I sat in, the common theme is it's not if data centers come, it's

3171
04:23:38,380 --> 04:23:49,680
as far as the blackouts, the brownouts are concerned, and the number of phantom projects that are out there, they're trying to get a handle.

3172
04:23:50,140 --> 04:23:56,260
There's a lot of moving parts, as you can imagine, with them dealing with the 13 state region and people putting applications in for electricity.

3173
04:23:57,500 --> 04:24:03,740
But what they haven't been able to do is actually go back and identify how many phantom projects are actually or that aren't going to go to fruition.

3174
04:24:04,380 --> 04:24:09,220
So, like I said, there's just a lot of stuff that needs to be addressed without a doubt.

3175
04:24:12,670 --> 04:24:13,590
That's all I have.

3176
04:24:14,170 --> 04:24:15,930
Everybody have a great week, and do we have a motion?

3177
04:24:16,470 --> 04:24:16,690
Yes.

3178
04:24:16,810 --> 04:24:17,250
Service President.

3179
04:24:17,790 --> 04:24:22,650
I move that the Board of County Commission has closed executive sessions to discuss the

3180
04:24:22,650 --> 04:24:25,950
appointment, employment, assignment, promotion, discipline,

3181
04:24:26,090 --> 04:24:31,390
promotion, compensation removal, ration, or performance evaluation of appointees,

3182
04:24:31,390 --> 04:24:35,050
employees, or officials, over whom the public body has shared

3183
04:24:35,050 --> 04:24:39,630
station and any other personnel matter that affects one or more

3184
04:24:39,630 --> 04:24:43,250
sufficient individuals in order to ensure that personnel matters

3185
04:24:43,250 --> 04:24:47,650
remain confidential so that the county can continue to recruit and retain

3186
04:24:47,650 --> 04:24:52,350
quality candidates and employees for our positions as well as comply

3187
04:24:52,350 --> 04:24:57,410
in our global law regarding confidentiality and to consult with council

3188
04:24:57,410 --> 04:24:59,930
to obtain legal advice in order to ensure that.

3189
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:07,800
Attorney Klein privileges is preserved and not wavered. And to consult with staff consultants and other individuals

3190
04:25:07,800 --> 04:25:12,880
about pending or potential litigation to ensure the county's litigation and or settlement positions

3191
04:25:12,880 --> 04:25:19,080
is protected from the public disclosures, so as not to undermine the county's interests.

3192
04:25:19,960 --> 04:25:20,440
Second.

3193
04:25:21,260 --> 04:25:25,100
I have a motion in a second to permission and cops is a motion about going into exact

3194
04:25:25,100 --> 04:25:25,800
session.

3195
04:25:26,140 --> 04:25:27,680
Is there any discussion on that?

3196
04:25:28,280 --> 04:25:29,720
Hearing none of all the flavors they are.

3197
04:25:29,880 --> 04:25:30,300
High.