[0:03] What a mistake.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[0:07] Shut off the air.
[0:10] » No, they didn't.
[0:20] » That's
flow through ventilation. You just open
[0:24] the window. Yeah.
[0:33] Where you going to live?
>> Oh, yes.
[0:40] » I got it.
[0:53] » You don't even know what the address is
at school. Um, yeah. 205
[1:02] down there.
>> Try 205 West Parkway Drive.
[1:06] » I can go way down.
>> Ben's going to be outside.
[1:14] Maybe you might drive on
[1:19] [laughter]
[1:37] » All right, let's get started. Okay,
>> we'll call meeting order and start with
[1:42] the uh
[1:46] » I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[1:52] for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible with liberty and
[1:58] justice for all.
[2:05] » Roll call.
Yep.
[2:08] » McGinley here.
>> Here.
[2:10] » Yep.
[2:13] » All right. Um,
public committee. Yes, Adam. Sick's not
[2:19] here yet. So, we're going to do new
business.
[2:24] Starting with the approval purchase of
trailer.
[2:28] Uh, this is actually taking the place of
the water truck, right?
[2:32] » Yes. Get out of that truck and get a
trailer. It's cheaper all the way
[2:36] around, more effective, more efficient.
I don't have to keep picking stuff up
[2:40] and put on a truck and bring it up
around.
[2:43] » Thanks.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
[2:46] » Put shelves in it, but and seal floor,
but other than that,
[2:50] [laughter]
[2:56] » how much was 6,000?
>> 6,000. It was a private individual. Yes,
[3:01] private individual. Double axle. 7,000.
He knows it's got a uh basically wall
[3:09] locker already in it with shelves in it.
Spare tire.
[3:14] I threw in the uh receiver 2 and 516
receiver with 4 in drop.
[3:19] » So, put anything on top or anything.
>> Uh we can uh it does have lights. It
[3:24] does have a uh thing for a ladder on the
outside. You can put ladder hang a
[3:29] ladder on the outside. Plenty of room to
get all of our tools in there. secure
[3:34] them. Locks on the back. Uh have our wet
weather gear in there. Put a heater in
[3:39] there for winter time to get a mobile
workshop.
[3:42] » Yes. Yes.
>> We can take we can have one truck with
[3:45] trailer and another vehicle i.e. backo
whatever. So
[3:50] » So get a truck from the county as we
sell.
[3:53] » So
take that and run. So I would for a
[4:00] motion to purchase that truck.
>> I'll make that motion. Second, I have a
[4:04] motion and a second to approve the
purchase of this 2017 trailer
[4:09] coming from the water.
>> All in favor?
[4:17] » All right.
Uh, next we were going to talk about
[4:22] permit fees. These were building permit
fees, correct?
[4:26] » Also,
are would that be different than the
[4:30] permit fees that they have now? are
going to be required to put through DNR.
[4:35] » Uh DNR has their own set. I started
doing inspections today with uh Jeff
[4:40] Matthews from Union County. Very eye
opening. U
[4:50] they have to apply for a permit with
>> they have to do the permit through DNR
[4:54] if it is substantial damage over the 50%
mark. If it is a if they are in the
[5:01] flood way automatic BNR permit and
automatic femur rule standard
[5:07] has to be raised to
the uh
[5:14] » the two base flood elevation. Thank you.
There will be a sheep with where their
[5:18] ass is now level it is now. Uh one today
over on Front Street. Basically, Front
[5:23] Street is going to be
at least seven to 10 ft raised for every
[5:28] house on
>> Front Street from
[5:33] » from Center Street back over to Pum
both sides.
[5:39] » Has anybody told somebody in particular?
>> She is not in the floodway.
[5:44] » Oh, but go ahead.
>> Okay. Uh, no, I have not. If they want
[5:49] to see the floodway, they can get on
Snider Beacon, pull that up, go to Wayne
[5:55] County,
go down to FEMA risk, click that, and
[6:00] that uh NR has their own portal.
>> Yes. Yes. DNR has their own portal that
[6:06] you can see and they can go on the DNR
portal, too, and it'll show that flood
[6:09] zone all the way through town. One end
of town is the other. This is going to
[6:14] take a while. I employ
it takes about 15 minutes. You got to go
[6:19] out, measure everything, go back to the
office. It takes about 15 minutes per to
[6:24] run those numbers.
>> If there isn't substantial damage, the
[6:27] house doesn't have to be raised.
>> If they're not in floodway, if they're
[6:32] in the floodway,
>> if they're in the floodway, yes.
[6:35] » Period. Has to be
>> has to be.
[6:36] » Even if it's steam house,
>> if it's in the floodway, it's DNR
[6:41] permit. It has to be brought to base
flood rate.
[6:46] » Even if it's just nominally damaged or
it's in the flood way, it has to be
[6:52] raised.
>> So if the if a substantial if it's over
[6:57] 50% of substantial damage or substantial
in that floodway, it has to be raised.
[7:03] » That's what I just asked. But if it's
not substantially damaged yet,
[7:07] » if if there is a home in the floodway,
from what I gathered today, after
[7:12] everything I've done, if it's in the
floodway, it has to come
[7:16] to
two feet above that.
[7:20] » Even the ones that didn't have any
damage,
[7:23] » that's what I'm being told. Again,
>> looks like they'd be grandfathered in or
[7:28] something.
>> That's true. Well, then that makes it
[7:30] sound like a house that's not damaged
and a house that's 80% damaged are being
[7:34] treated the same way.
>> So, a house that has probably billions
[7:39] of bricks in it
>> is going to be raised.
[7:44] » There is a sheet. I can show you this
sheet and we can go off of this sheet.
[7:48] I'm just going off of what
>> I got I have done today.
[7:54] That's all I can tell you. Is the is the
guy that you're meeting with is is he
[7:59] DNR is that or is he just
>> No, he is the planning and zoning for
[8:02] Union County.
>> That is who
[8:06] from DNR.
>> Okay.
[8:07] » And he has contact now
>> and he has been down in F County dealing
[8:13] with them to
>> So what does that do to the city
[8:15] building?
>> I've not measured that yet.
[8:18] » We're not in the flood.
>> Yeah, we're in the French. No, I mean
[8:22] the power or the water plant that's if
that's not in the
[8:25] » businesses are different. Business are
this is residential businesses are
[8:29] different now.
>> So government is something
[8:33] » this is the residential site.
>> I think we're still learning a lot
[8:36] because I just started yesterday.
>> Yeah, I got on there last night and I
[8:41] was trying to figure this out on that
site
[8:45] and I I couldn't find the key to the
map. There were certain it was striped
[8:50] like closest to the river and then it
turned a different color like on Shirt
[8:55] Street and I couldn't find the key that
So you mentioned the floodway like
[9:00] » it'll say right in there. It'll say 500
year and it'll have an AE code in there.
[9:05] » Maybe I didn't look the right thing.
is a legend. You have to
[9:10] » I I didn't find I couldn't find the
>> So, at any rate, before we get into this
[9:15] too much and make this too much, I think
what we need to understand is there's
[9:19] still a lot to learn with this and we're
we're just really getting started on it.
[9:24] So, that substant if you're not in the
in the flood weight, you're in the
[9:28] fringe. Okay? the blue area on your map
when you pull it up depending on what
[9:34] that percentage is and that is from and
that depends on if you have a basement
[9:41] because that's automatically tied in. So
that's a minus 8 ft
[9:46] from your from your ground elevation to
up to the flood line
[9:53] and then there's different formulas to
go in there and then check.
[9:57] [clears throat]
And is that the uh is that the DNR FEMA?
[10:01] » Yes.
>> Software program.
[10:03] » Yes, that is FEMA DNR and then
>> that's how that's that chain of command.
[10:09] Did he say did he say that there is any
like obviously that's a you know there's
[10:16] a software program but if there's an
argument if there's a found that
[10:20] something that's you know 49% or 51% or
whatever if it gets to 50 is there a way
[10:27] to argue that back faster than there is
okay with your cost
[10:32] » there's there's an appeal cost there
there is your cost so there when if your
[10:38] cost is It's not say 10,000,
>> right? Your your improvement cost right
[10:44] there. Your your and it's just your
house, right? It's not the property.
[10:48] It's not your accessory buildings. It's
not it's the house. That is it. That
[10:53] value. So that's 90 $90,000.
>> 50% 45, right?
[11:00] » Yeah.
>> So again, let's not make this a working.
[11:02] » Yeah. Yeah. This I could redo this for
hour.
[11:05] » Yeah.
>> Because this is just beginning. We got a
[11:08] lot to learn. So I don't think we need
to make this a work session about the
[11:11] DNR because as Joe said there's a lot
>> I'm just getting started in
[11:16] » we may need to have
>> that's a huge area
[11:25] » but what we do need to talk about is
building permits and waving the fees for
[11:32] building permits.
>> Yeah. Now, I'm assuming just for blood
[11:36] affected people, correct?
>> Yes. I I Yeah, but that's what you want
[11:40] to do. I mean, our our ordinance states
anything over $500. Now, about most of
[11:45] this, they're not they're not changing
the structure. They're they're going in
[11:49] and rebuilding flooring and putting
drywall up. That's not They're not
[11:54] changing the footprint of building,
>> but our ordinance states $500
[12:01] $500 requires a building permit.
>> So, I know I know Franklin County that
[12:14] » are we just going to wave the fee and
still require them to pick up a permit.
[12:17] So, we have some idea. We still have to
get a
[12:20] » right. Okay. Yeah.
An estimated cost.
[12:23] » This is going to be for a length of
time. So that mean they three years from
[12:27] now they're going to add on addition to
their house.
[12:30] » September.
>> Oh, this is going to take it have to be
[12:33] a year. It's good for a year.
>> I'd say a year then we revisit.
[12:37] » I would say no longer than that because
if they're not going to do anything in a
[12:39] year, I mean we've all been filling this
lighted houses trying to get done. Now
[12:45] arguments can take a year.
[12:52] I'll make a motion to wave permit fees.
>> Building permit.
[12:55] » Building per fees. Thank you.
>> Building permit fees for flood
[13:00] survivors.
[13:03] » And when you say flood survivors, that
means if they're doing an improvement
[13:08] because of the flood
because everybody's kind of a flood
[13:12] survivor.
One of the identified homes one homes
[13:16] identified as damaged by
>> damaged by
[13:21] one.
>> Yes, ma'am.
[13:24] » I'll second that.
>> All right. I have a motion and
[13:26] secondated
to building
[13:34] one year
for
[13:38] all in favor.
[13:42] Pass.
Uh, another thing Sherry brought up
[13:46] waving penalties to shut off for water.
>> Yeah,
[13:51] we don't have the equipment to even read
meters. So,
[13:56] » bills.
>> Um, perhaps we're going to estimate
[13:59] bills to call in tomorrow, but
Keystone's [snorts] going to help
[14:03] estimate bills. Not estimate, print out
paper bills. We'll see. been estimated
[14:09] over the last three months. But
>> so you just want to wait
[14:14] through September.
>> Yep.
[14:16] » I'll make that motion.
>> Second.
[14:19] » I have a motion to second to wave
penalties and shut off for water
[14:25] throughout through September. All in
favor?
[14:28] » I post.
[14:33] » Now we're back. Well, one related topic.
Yeah. So, I just met with Brett Griby
[14:39] land bank.
They moved today
[14:48] to support the town in
possible acquisition opportunities to
[14:55] help flood victims from the land.
So, they don't know what that means at
[15:01] suggestion.
[15:04] That's that's the role of bank actually
is to help situation,
[15:08] » but we really don't have any what that
looks like right now. I'm just letting
[15:11] you know frankly it's our name on that.
So they'll be back.
[15:20] » Adam, we skipped you. Now we're back.
Now we're back.
[15:23] » I appreciate everyone shifting things
around for me. This was unexpected to
[15:27] get in the middle field somewhere.
I'm assuming you guys don't have copy
[15:32] code. All right, very good. So, what I
have today to talk about are seven
[15:37] different quotes for different efforts
and work required. Some of these is work
[15:41] that already has been completed, but
most of it is work to you. Uh the top
[15:46] page is just a summary sheet I put
together. These are quotes and proposals
[15:50] from basically everybody that works on.
>> And again, number one is not a quote
[15:58] invoice.
>> Yes. Yeah, sorry. Quote, proposal,
[16:00] invoice, u little different. I'll
unintentionally use those
[16:05] interchangeably a little bit. U so to go
through the summary, the front page,
[16:12] just rip the band-aid off. The total
cost that we're looking at here is
[16:15] $245,000
and a little bit more. And just step
[16:21] through each one of these. The first one
is from peerless. I'm just looking at
[16:25] the summary sheet, but we can go through
uh the attachments and get into as much
[16:29] detail as we'd like. Please slow me down
if I'm going too fast.
[16:33] » One question of clarification, please.
>> These are not things to compare one
[16:36] another so that oh, we'll pick three
instead of two. They could arguably all
[16:41] be required.
>> Thank you. Yes. Each of these are
[16:44] independent quotes for different scopes
of work. None of these are equals. Given
[16:50] the timeline of this, we didn't really
have the opportunity to collect.
[16:54] So, we wanted to get these in front of
you as soon as we could to get the
[16:58] materials ordered is that the lead time
for these materials is largely what's
[17:02] driving the get back get back on um get
back to where we should be for this.
[17:10] So, the first one is an invoice that's
from Peerless Midwest and as it says
[17:14] that's for work that's already being
completed.
[17:18] This was their initial efforts to show
up and get the water system back
[17:22] running. But that looked like bringing
their generator out, bringing the BFDs,
[17:28] doing the troubleshooting, cleaning your
wells to get them back on.
[17:33] Uh, anything additional for the work
already completed. Uh, they also
[17:38] furnished two new pump motors, took your
old ones away, and installed the new
[17:42] ones. Got weld one and two back on.
This also includes the generator and the
[17:49] equipment rental up until September 4.
So this first invoice is truly an
[17:56] invoice of all work that is already
completed. Nothing to be done.
[18:01] » There's no question that you didn't have
to get quotes for that. Um because of
[18:05] the emergency nature that had to be done
immediately. The others I still have
[18:10] some concern.
>> Yeah. To be clear, this 83,000 is the
[18:14] only reason we have drinkable water
right now.
[18:18] » Yes.
[18:23] » And number two would be an extension of
the current situation which would cost
[18:28] probably a lot more if we brought
somebody else.
[18:31] » Absolutely.
>> Yes. They would need there would still
[18:34] be an additional charge for peerlessity
commission their equipment. Um, and the
[18:38] rate that they're renting the equipment
to you for is about 2,000 bucks a week.
[18:42] And that's that's pretty
with peerless, that's really just their
[18:48] cost of the generator rental. And the
other things are
[18:52] » that's for six weeks.
>> And since that's a service rather than a
[18:55] product, also have no problem with that
being
[18:59] » and I'm estimating six weeks just based
on the equipment lead time plus two
[19:04] weeks to complete it.
Maybe more than that, it may be less
[19:08] than that, but I feel that's fair.
>> So, and I'm sorry to jump. You mean two
[19:13] weeks to do the rest of the work numbers
three through six.
[19:16] » So, uh two week in my mind, the perfect
path is the electrical work. The
[19:21] electrical work's four weeks out for the
equipment. It'll take two weeks to do
[19:25] that work.
>> Yep. No, thanks for asking.
[19:30] » Um so, that's item number two, the
ongoing rent.
[19:34] Any questions on the peerless invoice
and flow?
[19:47] » Very good. Jonas have the questions up.
>> No came in and they did what needed to
[19:52] be done pretty quickly.
>> Yeah, we were on board a while, but
[19:58] people were only without water like 18
hours through this whole thing. So
[20:05] they l they really showed up. Yeah, I
did. There you go.
[20:12] Any questions before we move on to
number three?
[20:15] So item number three is for materials
and labor for the electrical piece. At
[20:21] the high level, this is relocating all
the equipment out of the bar and
[20:25] basement and moving it to wellhouse
number one. This is installing two new
[20:31] BFDs. in that wellhouse,
the one closest to your house.
[20:37] » And
>> yes, the larger the larger of the frame,
[20:41] not the largest, but the
>> the newest of the
[20:47] » So, we're going to relocate, install the
two new BFDs relocated from the basement
[20:52] to this building. The two BFDs will be
for well number one and well number two.
[20:59] One thing I want to make sure Cal is
aware of, taking a little bit of a step
[21:02] back from Peerless's quote, I only said
that there's two well motors in that
[21:07] quote. You guys have three wells. Well,
number three is not really in this
[21:13] situation right now. Um, Peerless isn't
willing to get in there and work on it
[21:18] just yet because the floor is
susceptible to giving.
[21:22] Uh, so that's something that is on the
list of work to need to be done. And I
[21:28] don't now that's not included in any of
the two either of the two quotes for you
[21:34] today. So this is just to get wells one
and two, which is more than adequate to
[21:39] keep you guys in a flow and provide fire
protection. I just wanted to clarify
[21:45] that when I started to talk about the
two BFDs,
[21:48] someone might have thought we've got
three and what's going on.
[21:51] » Is it the closest one to the river? It's
the problem.
[21:53] » Yes. Yes. Yes. That's three. That's
three.
[21:56] » That's one they just cleaned last year.
>> Yep.
[22:01] It's not out of commission forever. Just
at this time
[22:06] can't get in there.
Backing back to the mid-state quote,
[22:11] quote number three. Uh, this refeeds the
entire site. It takes the power from
[22:16] coming into the building, the large
barn, and directs it to the well one
[22:21] control building. This also provides
power wiring and control wiring between
[22:27] the VFDs, new power panels, and the new
control panels. This also gets the new
[22:33] power wiring to the 4 in booster pump.
And one wrinkle of this by relocating
[22:39] the VFDs into that control building. Um
those VFDs put off a lot of heat and
[22:44] that was the one nice thing about them
in the basement. The basement was full.
[22:48] So this boat also includes one large
window AC unit to be installed
[22:54] whichever window is the least intrusive
to that installation.
[22:58] That AC unit is required to keep the
building conditioned.
[23:02] Uh the mid-state quote does have some
adders on the back page of it, some
[23:07] alternates, but I we do not recommend
electing any of those alternates. First
[23:13] two are for BFD filters, which is a
component you need at the motor. BFD are
[23:18] far away from each other. They are
literally right next to each other now.
[23:21] So that's not required. Any other item
just a different type of AC unit which
[23:26] is going down.
So in summary, quote number three from
[23:32] Midstate Electric is for labor and
materials to get the electrical back up
[23:36] to where it should be for this temporary
solution.
[23:40] » Yeah, I think it's primarily service. So
worried about
[23:47] there any questions?
[23:53] » They're going to be at a height and
still has to be moved later. They will
[23:56] be. Yes, but all these improvements,
installing the below grade wiring, we're
[24:02] we're being intentional with those and
those are going to be things that can be
[24:05] reused. So, you know, provided that the
plant doesn't pick up and move, we're
[24:11] working with that site for a permanent
solution, these improvements can be
[24:15] rolled into Ben. So, we're not just
stringing wire to take it down a year
[24:19] from now, right?
[24:27] Next quote we have is from Maxim
Automation and this is for SCADA
[24:33] temporary and permanent.
What what do I mean by that? So Wesler
[24:39] has been doing your programming for the
past year or two couple years now. Um
[24:45] and but Rob has the ability to kind of
scap things together in a much more
[24:49] weighted bench.
>> [clears throat]
[24:51] » So part of Rob's quote, the maximum
automation quote is to put together that
[24:57] ad hoc control system and alarming
system so that the guys in short order
[25:03] and get some kind of communication out
of them. It'll be limited alarms that'll
[25:08] let them know when a tower level is low,
when there's chlorine gas leak, the
[25:13] critical things that we feel you should
have your team alarm know. Um, so that's
[25:20] » we don't have these things right now.
>> Correct. Correct. So what do we have
[25:23] now? I think Ken shows up in the morning
and turns it on and that is the only
[25:27] insight you have to how your water
system. Only way we know what's in the
[25:31] tower is by high pressure
and run about 55 PSI.
[25:38] That's when he knows he's getting
so he's not overflow.
[25:43] See what it
so
[25:50] needless to say less than we are truly
flying blind actually visit one of those
[25:57] points it's missing
far away from that boring alarms taking
[26:03] place chlorine there is a chlorine alarm
on the building
[26:09] peerless treatment that
there there There's an alarm on the
[26:14] building now. The floor
>> in that building.
[26:16] » Yeah, the alarm's on the outside, but we
have when the skate was put on, we know
[26:22] when it was going. Kim did.
>> The last quote here is to replace the
[26:27] chlorine gas detector in the sensor unit
that was submerged. It needs replace. So
[26:32] once that's done and the controls part
done, then that'll be up exactly where
[26:38] it needs to be for safety. Yes.
>> I've been told to run the alarm go.
[26:44] » Yeah. You don't want to be around it.
>> I don't hear it. I can't run. I can't
[26:48] run anyway. [laughter] Just check.
>> Only with number four. You're not there
[26:56] yet. But the whole staff get
>> No, these are great questions. Keep them
[27:00] coming.
>> That keeps me
[27:02] » especially you know you got some vested
interests. I see them.
[27:06] So the first part is the temporary
system to get you up as quick as
[27:10] possible. Second part of this quote is
to build your permanent control pan.
[27:16] That's the thing that was up in the
first floor that got partially submerged
[27:20] and yet that doesn't go well with
electronics. Um so that's the other part
[27:25] is providing that permanent control
panel. And Rob's also included two days
[27:30] for site start up and making sure
everything's going the way it should.
[27:35] Uh Rob was on site I think within the
first three or four days he was there
[27:41] » surveying getting the things put
together and understanding what makes
[27:45] sense in terms of scope and supply. Uh I
want you to know we went back and forth
[27:49] a little bit with what Rob's scope was.
He had some more items in there that
[27:53] were more clearly I'm just buying the
material and we asked him to pull that
[27:58] out and that's why you see a separate
quote. We'll get to it just from
[28:02] material spot.
[28:09] There any questions about what this
comes?
[28:15] Do I really hate to say scale of things,
but that's that's the that's the
[28:23] So, if we don't do it, uh, what does
this mean?
[28:26] If we don't do the temporary system,
that means we're running blind. That
[28:30] means we're crossing our fingers every
time they turn the pump on and walk away
[28:34] from that site. There's a break. If
there's a leak, we're not going to know
[28:39] about it until it's uh same thing with
the chlorine gas city.
[28:47] » Keep running on generator.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[28:52] » Well, the generator was number three.
[29:04] We're going to pay on the scope. Bob, do
you have any concerns?
[29:07] » No, not yet.
>> Very good.
[29:13] » All right, moving on to Wesler's quote
number five. This is for more of the
[29:17] permanent SCADA and the computer side of
things.
[29:22] So, this is your server. Uh Joe, that
was that big black box we carried out
[29:27] that day. Um your computers, your
monitors, miscellaneous stuff that goes
[29:32] with that. Re-uploading your
programming, getting it all up and
[29:36] running.
I was really hoping to to catch you guys
[29:40] uh before the meeting, but u one thing I
wanted to to bring up was the
[29:47] compensation for this one.
We looked at what our fees were and we
[29:52] we cut them in half for this. So, I just
want you guys to be aware um where we're
[29:58] coming from and we appreciate working
guys support. Do
[30:02] » you know do you have a breakdown how
much of that for Wesler is labor? How
[30:06] much of it is material?
>> Um the material cost ended up being
[30:11] roughly $20,000 and the labor ended up
being the balance of that.
[30:16] » And how does that really compare with
four? because it looks I'm a lay person.
[30:20] Yeah, it's all computer stuff.
>> It is.
[30:23] » So, how is it distinguished?
>> Yeah. So, uh our our quote provides
[30:27] different things, right? Rob is building
a control panel which is a permanent box
[30:33] that's got computer brains in it, the
human interface in it, the talking
[30:38] points from the other things in it. That
is the control panel. What Wesler's
[30:45] providing is the computer parts of it
along with the server that the control
[30:50] panel talks to. So the server is what
collects the signals from all the remote
[30:55] sites and allows uh that to talk to the
SCADA computer which then will talk to
[31:02] the PLC do that work to do the
calculations and set new alarm.
[31:08] » Okay. So where where is this?
This will be also in in the control
[31:16] building. Well, one it's it's got to get
full.
[31:22] » How many hours is
hours of CPS? How many hours?
[31:27] » I think it's a 48.
>> So, I'm not certain. I'm not certain.
[31:32] No,
>> I know it's at least 20 people.
[31:38] Is there a justification that we can say
you're doing with West Country on site
[31:43] on hands helping us engineer these other
items? Maybe
[31:47] » uh there's there's a lot of efficiencies
because all we're doing is is pressing
[31:51] rebuild on all the equipment we've built
for you in the past.
[31:54] » So I think this is the first one that
material outweighs the service. So
[31:58] that's where I want to make sure that we
justify not getting
[32:01] » You should have left the other $10,000
in there and that would have balanced it
[32:04] out better.
[32:08] No good deal, huh?
Is there internet service to the
[32:13] building?
[32:17] » Is there internet service to the
building?
[32:19] » Yes, there is. There will
there's
[32:26] Wi-Fi.
[32:40] I think for the the bid projects when we
were in a similar situation um we were
[32:46] written in as a professional service for
those things that was a bigger dollar to
[32:50] a bigger
[32:55] » from timing standpoint
[32:59] what would you take to get more
>> well I I think with the circumstances
[33:04] here with I think we can
avoid the for that.
[33:12] » And with the discount they're providing
justify it to
[33:19] » our hardware, we also do get discounts
on that. Of course, that's all passed
[33:23] through you.
>> The biggest savings is the the spool up
[33:26] time for someone else to come in. That
may be a lot.
[33:29] » How hard would it be for you to get
somebody to do the same quote same
[33:33] service that we all know is probably
going to be more than yours anyway? Is
[33:36] that going to be is that something you
can get in a few days? Is that going to
[33:40] be hard to get?
>> I would have to call my competitors say,
[33:43] "Can you get me a quote for this work?"
So, I'm not sure.
[33:48] » I'm not sure they would jump on that
opportunity, Bob.
[33:51] » I don't see that being a quick mission.
[34:00] » Okay.
So, I have a question. So, thing is
[34:06] going in the political.
>> Yes.
[34:09] » Is there any attempt to mitigate the
possibility of flood water
[34:19] still
[34:22] to that short of install
and putting up some kind of ad hoc
[34:29] situation?
[34:34] I think it's good for my eyes.
>> That's that's true. Yeah.
[34:39] » And and to that point, this is not the
permanent fix, right? This is not the
[34:43] solution forever. This is what work we
need to do right away to get us as we
[34:50] » some of that equipment will carry
through
[34:54] used.
>> Yes. the control panels, the BFDs, the
[34:58] servers, the computers, a lot of the
site wiring, the majority of the
[35:03] equipment can be reused.
[35:07] » Yes.
[35:15] Any questions on Wesler
proposal?
[35:22] Item number six is what I alluded to
earlier and that is purely materials
[35:27] purchase.
This is purchasing the two VFDs
[35:32] from BL Anderson.
Um purchasing them through BL Anderson
[35:37] through what's called their red carpet
program which is like their preferred
[35:42] emergency path for getting paid very
quickly.
[35:45] As I mentioned earlier, Rob had this
equipment on his quote but he was
[35:49] looking at six weeks to get this
equipment.
[35:52] That's the normal lead time we have by
pursuing this program. Uh they have one
[35:58] that they could bring to you tomorrow
and the second one will be here in two
[36:02] weeks. So going this avenue remarkably
expedites the delivery time and it lets
[36:08] you purchase direct avoid any kind of
markup or
[36:13] add to that.
These drives can be reused. Um, the nice
[36:19] thing about these drives is they're
interchangeable. The ones outpart, so
[36:23] all of your drives are the same size
swapped around.
[36:31] So this is for two VFDs.
Probably the most straightforward of
[36:35] them.
Questions.
[36:42] » I initially was concerned on both six
and seven because they are for product.
[36:45] Yeah. and and but because of the
relatively nominal amount involved even
[36:51] though quotes are preferred they're not
legally required so we can also is that
[36:56] threshold I think it's 15 okay
>> just made it
[37:04] number six
last but not least is number seven
[37:08] that's from Living Waters they do your
boring on the back page now this is for
[37:14] labor and materials
Uh so the labor is to install your
[37:19] permanent booster pump and get the gas
detector working and that that's why
[37:24] this is a proposal that work hasn't been
done yet. That's something that Paul at
[37:28] Waters will come in and do that on
execution.
[37:32] We'll also install the chlorine gas
sensor. So that'll replace all your gas
[37:36] protection equipment since it was
flooded and that'll get that plugged
[37:39] into SCADA. So you'll get alarms. Jim
knows it's not moving his house. I move
[37:44] for this to be agreed to [laughter]
just
[37:48] be hard to get another quote for six and
seven.
[37:52] » I don't know anyone else in the states
that does this work
[37:56] » for either one of them.
>> Which one? I said for six and seven.
[38:02] For six, it would be very difficult to
get what's an equivalent quote. You
[38:07] know, it to ask someone to give us two
BFDs in two weeks, it's going to take me
[38:12] two weeks to get the quotes.
>> So, they would be the only one that
[38:16] could meet that kind of spec.
>> Yeah. If we were to issue an RFP to say
[38:20] we want BFDs delivered in two weeks,
that's the only Okay.
[38:31] Um, oh, back to the living waters. They
also included a temporary booster pump.
[38:36] This is something that we both felt was
important. First line on there, this is
[38:39] a booster pump that Joe could plug into
a wall outlet if something happened.
[38:44] That was the strategy to get us back in
operation the first time. So, we're
[38:48] going to wire in the permanent one, but
let him keep the one that's on site
[38:51] plugged in now based on appetite.
[38:57] And that's for just under 6,000.
[39:10] » Those are the scoops.
Any questions?
[39:20] » Yeah, but we knew this was trouble.
[39:26] I mean Adam and I have talked and really
this is this is what we have to do so we
[39:32] can monitor the water system and it
operates the winch water
[39:38] » but anyway that'll do us anything
you do have this cash in your water fund
[39:45] now it could have ramifications on
future projects but along that
[39:50] conversation I have had some discussion
with
[39:54] some folks from the county and told me
talking to some of you that we're going
[39:59] to the water tower uh project on a hold
for now for at least 30 days uh because
[40:08] we have to figure out where we're at
here before we can even consider doing
[40:14] more out there because we're going to
spend a lot of funds here and if we have
[40:18] to do a whole new water plant or
whatever that's more debt that I I think
[40:23] we all
we don't want to take on. So I did tell
[40:29] them and I've talked to Baker Tilly and
told them and said they're not going to
[40:32] be here this this
meeting. So
[40:38] I'm glad I felt that was necessary to do
based on where we're at here. One bright
[40:44] spot, we were able to get the ARPA fund.
At some point they'll be turned over to
[40:49] us back from SRF.
>> Thank you. And that was that was about
[40:52] $225,000.
Unfortunately, it doesn't cover all of
[40:56] this, but it takes a great chunk out of
them.
[40:59] » So, whenever those funds get released
back over, haven't heard back from yet.
[41:04] I'll check in with them today.
>> How do we know?
[41:09] » I don't know what the mechanism looks
like, Sherry. I sure hope they don't
[41:12] mail you a check.
>> Um, but I'll figure that out. I'll let
[41:15] you guys know.
>> When I sent that off to them, I got a
[41:18] email back. said they would be out till
next week. So
[41:22] » yeah,
>> it's only Thursday. So I don't think it
[41:24] was
>> I'll call them tomorrow and then
[41:28] » it does. It does. And further bright
spot that money was earmarked to spend
[41:34] » on this. No, it was to move some things
up, but it was still to take care of
[41:39] this site.
And I don't know who would have wanted
[41:42] to move forward with the scope of that
project knowing what we know now. So
[41:47] it is nice that we had that money to
fall back on it.
[41:51] » Did you move it up and still get
flooded?
[41:53] » Yeah, it would have.
>> Where we were planning to move it
[41:56] wouldn't have fixed any of you know our
plan was to move the stuff in the
[42:02] building would have been flooded. No
questions asked. The generator platform
[42:06] would have been built to the 100redyear
flood plus two feet. And from the
[42:10] pictures I saw, it would have still
gotten still gotten hot,
[42:13] » which puts us in a very interesting
position down the road, what is our
[42:17] design basis? Is it a hundred-year flood
or is it a foot over US40 because we all
[42:23] just saw
>> may tell us that
[42:26] » and they might Yes.
[42:30] I know your plan was built just what two
years ago it was built up stage and it
[42:40] » when I hear people talking about 500 or
thousand years that doesn't surprise me.
[42:45] » So Adam are you know if we move forward
this are you thinking six weeks to
[42:51] » I think so.
>> Yep. In a perfect world times fall
[42:56] through all the way we're expecting. I
think six weeks for completion. No
[43:04] » bad.
>> As monumental as what happened to happen
[43:09] six weeks is
>> not that shabby.
[43:14] » Not a permanent fix, but everything will
be working properly and all the safety
[43:18] mechanism. [clears throat]
>> So, we need a motion for each of these
[43:21] or can we do them all in one? You can do
it either way. If you're comfortable, a
[43:25] motion to approve these seven
expenditures would be appropriate.
[43:30] Unless if somebody had some problems
with one or the other, then I'd want you
[43:34] to do it individually. But absent a
problem with any one of them, then I
[43:38] would say it's okay to make motion
second approval of all seven of these
[43:44] items.
I'll make a motion that we approve the
[43:47] seven expenditures to get waters uh
system relocation back up.
[43:56] » That's an amount of $245,675.
[44:01] » All in favor?
>> I
[44:06] get everyone after this. I'll get some
signatures and take care.
[44:15] signature.
>> It's seven. Seven signature.
[44:24] » Is that it for you?
>> That's everything.
[44:26] » Sure. That's enough.
>> Do you want more?
[44:27] » No, that's enough.
[44:33] » All right. Um I don't want to ignore
you.
[44:38] » That's your
talk. Are you
[44:40] » Yeah. Yeah.
We don't have to do that. Okay.
[44:51] Think we can talk.
>> Yeah, we we spoke briefly.
[44:59] There some discussion.
So I think it's something offline best
[45:05] way about
I don't know what this is but be happy
[45:10] to help. [laughter]
I'll let you know.
[45:12] » Okay.
Bigger type of co.
[45:18] » All right.
Mike, anything you getting tired of hole
[45:22] yet? [clears throat]
>> I am.
[45:26] » This week or next week? This ends this
week.
[45:30] » They can do whatever they want to do.
>> Is do I need to contact numbers? You can
[45:36] pick them all up.
>> I I can do all that's that's not a
[45:39] problem. I I don't know that we want to
completely shut down, but I think we're
[45:44] gonna change the footprint. Now,
>> what do you think we need to do?
[45:49] » Just one dumpster out.
>> I think we need to scale it back and I
[45:54] don't know what the legal ramifications
are of people coming on our property
[45:58] city property to load things into
dumpster. If someone's heard something
[46:02] there, have to have somebody there.
I don't know what particularism Yeah.
[46:10] [clears throat]
>> So, Irish community
[46:14] and assembly.
>> Troy, I'm assuming you want us to leave
[46:19] out there. Well, I just I just have some
things we need to figure out. And that's
[46:22] the first one is that, you know, hope
you can put things out the street and
[46:25] get your stuff. People have done a good
job of that. Um, where are we going to
[46:30] take things that are still coming out of
buildings and
[46:33] » things are going to be coming out of
buildings for months?
[46:36] » Yeah, I understand that. right now. How
long is the town responsible for that?
[46:41] » That's the question that we need to
decide. But but we need to put something
[46:44] out there for that. And other thing too
that I'm concerned about because we
[46:48] spent the last three weeks being on the
streets picking things up, working at
[46:52] the site. That's why it was late here at
night because we got some buildings and
[46:55] they're for it is we have groups of
people that are still coming in from out
[46:59] of town.
Our homage group that was 40 people that
[47:03] are inside homes now taking stuff out.
got another group of 30 over the
[47:07] weekend. If we were going to scale it
back, that's fine to some degree. But if
[47:12] we're going to still offer that, let's
change the hours in which we offer it
[47:15] and realize that we have people that are
doing their own homes that have to go
[47:19] back to work. They may still have stuff
that needs to go. We have a couple
[47:22] buildings that are technically town
buildings. Um the concession stand still
[47:26] hasn't had a wall removed in it or the
ceiling removed in it for the uh CC Y.
[47:32] Um the scouting I don't think has
anything's come out of the scouting. We
[47:35] understand that that's different because
we are responsible for that.
[47:39] » So we don't mind paying for that. But we
don't mean we have to pay forever for
[47:43] everybody.
>> Correct. I'm just saying of things that
[47:46] I that I look at and see. The other
thing too is you I have a concern of
[47:49] have we identified all the buildings
that are in town that haven't been
[47:53] touched.
>> Yeah.
[47:54] » Because that's one of my biggest
concerns is that we have a lot of Joe's
[47:58] been fighting this for a year. through
some of these vacant absentee owners.
[48:01] They've got a building next to somebody
that's trying to get their building
[48:04] back. Hasn't been touched. The basement
still may have water in it. The house
[48:07] may still be growing mold. And it's the
house right next to it. So, I have a
[48:11] concern of that after three weeks of
opening up some freezers and
[48:14] refrigerators. What that smell looks
like. What does it look like in a month
[48:18] or two months? Um, the other thing I
want everyone just to realize is that
[48:21] homeowners have come in or people have
come in and they've removed items where
[48:25] they thought they were good and a week
later mold is showing up and they're
[48:29] having to remove even more items. So
that's the round that we're experiencing
[48:33] right now. We've come back to some of
these houses three times, taking drywall
[48:38] material out the first second time,
coming back now a third time because
[48:42] more stuff is still continued to come
out. If we're gonna shut it off, we
[48:46] definitely need to say we're going to
shut it off and give our residents at
[48:48] least some time to understand that and
be sensitive to all the help that the
[48:53] church is still coordinating getting to
come in. The last thing we want is to
[48:57] have 30 people show up to help do
things. They're doing things and they
[49:01] don't know any better than just put it
out on the street. So, we've got to
[49:05] coordinate that at least.
>> Well, obviously it'll beated and I I
[49:08] think we just need to figure out what
>> Jim from a technical legal standpoint.
[49:13] It sounds harsh, but a property owner is
responsible for removal of their own
[49:16] stuff and to take it to an appropriate
place. Now, having said that, I know the
[49:20] town has volunteered, but the citizens
need to know that everything you're
[49:24] doing is a nice gesture of what the town
is doing as compared to that you have a
[49:28] legal responsibility.
>> Yeah. And my understanding there there
[49:32] likely will be some
funds recovered by the town. So,
[49:38] » but we don't know. But we don't do that.
>> We don't.
[49:41] » And the last thing about that is there
are some buildings where homeowners have
[49:45] set stuff out out of the street. They're
at random spots in their yard. How are
[49:50] we going to treat that from a, you know,
a town perspective of that debris
[49:55] setting out there? How are we going to
get them to remove that? Is it going to
[49:58] end up falling back on us, Bob, because
they're an absentee owner?
[50:03] And if so, we need to make sure that we
have some coordinated effort, whether
[50:07] volunteers or staff or somebody that
that's going to take that, you know,
[50:11] take that role on because the last thing
we want is this stuff sitting here two
[50:15] months from now.
>> Yeah. If you took it to an extreme, even
[50:18] that kind of litter, it could get to a
point of making it an unsafe property
[50:22] that the town can go through all that
process and ultimately get any of its
[50:26] own cost back through taxes if it ever
breaks on a tax sale. But those are
[50:31] things you have to we're going to have
to approach each step
[50:35] » additional help to that with this number
of problems. I mean if it gets to that
[50:40] we're not going to be able to put that
on our public
[50:46] » I mean we're we're trying we're doing
our best in the gesture. Okay we're
[50:50] doing this but again what Bob just said
I've said it for the last two weeks. It
[50:54] is the homeowner's responsibility to
take care of their home. It is not the
[50:58] town responsibility. Everybody has
stepped up in town. There's no doubt
[51:03] talking to these other people not from
town and they come here and they want to
[51:10] I mean but we cannot hold their hand
continuous. They've got to take that
[51:15] step up and take responsibility for
their own actions and their own
[51:18] property.
This is just going to continue. I'd be
[51:22] perfectly willing to help out, you know,
going forward, but this idea of going to
[51:27] be down there for 60 hours a week.
>> Yeah,
[51:33] » we've moved over a 100 dumpsters now.
Those are
[51:36] » So, how much
>> how much slowed down? I mean, how much
[51:38] could we
>> pretty? Yeah, it slowed down quite a
[51:41] bit. I mean, it was heavy a week.
>> We were like just constant. Today, we
[51:46] only got four to now. We had a four full
sitting there that need to be called out
[51:52] morning. I've contacted the rum and best
way about that. There'll be somebody out
[51:58] there tomorrow morning out there. But
and I guess the perspective too for that
[52:01] Mike is that we have very few items just
sitting on the ground with some
[52:05] exceptions oneoff things and some
appliances. Everything that's come in
[52:09] the last two days has gone into a
dumpster.
[52:12] » Yep.
>> So that's that's a real good site. And
[52:14] and drove around you noticed that the
streets are somewhat bare. The only only
[52:19] caveat to that is there's a lot of
chemicals sitting there and I'm still
[52:22] not sure picking up chemicals the way we
pick them up and putting them in a in a
[52:26] dumpster is is the best way to get rid
of those chemicals.
[52:30] » Yeah.
>> So,
[52:32] » they are separated out from everything
else though.
[52:34] » Yeah. But they're still in a line.
>> They're in a online dumpster. They have
[52:39] intermixed of chemical contaminations
with them. Then you're be your own
[52:43] chemist.
>> Yeah. Go that. We we haven't at least
[52:46] the groups that I've worked with for the
last two and a half, three weeks, we
[52:49] haven't really picked up any chemicals.
We've left those, you know, at the
[52:53] roadside, but that is going to be
something either we have to publish
[52:57] something from the town.
>> I'll follow up on that. I'm sorry.
[53:02] » I even worry about putting, you know, I
didn't put uh heater, I didn't pick up
[53:06] heater, but I thought it had gas still
in it because I didn't want to throw
[53:10] that into a general or appliance thing.
But there is a lot of chemicals that are
[53:15] out there.
[53:26] [laughter]
Yeah, I I don't but I know we have got
[53:31] we're probably pushing a million
1.4 million pounds.
[53:37] We just had a dumpster yesterday go up.
[53:44] » So So and I said we've done over a 100
dumpsters now. So
[53:49] » and just in volume and scale that
doesn't include everything that's been
[53:52] taken off by private
>> or that have transfer. We don't have a
[53:56] transfer
station yet.
[53:59] » So that transfer number is still coming
back to us as well.
[54:04] » That's pretty good.
[54:08] » Deb, you got anything?
>> No, I don't.
[54:12] » Jim King,
>> no. Bob,
[54:16] » no.
[54:21] Uh we did have the community impact
award that we got for the pavilion from
[54:26] the county chamber
>> and uh
[54:31] » we get like money or something
[54:38] » but it was nice to recognize what the
impact that has to our community.
[54:46] All right
for Jim already checked
[54:52] all in favor.