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Good evening everyone. My name is Jan

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meeting. We will now rise from close

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session. And councelor Cooper, you have

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that motion.

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There we go. Thank you, May. I'm just

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waiting for my my microphone to come on.

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Yes. Uh recommendation the council rise

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from close session at 6:52.

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» I will ask the clerk to call for that

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vote, please.

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>> Opening voting.

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Closing voting.

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That carries unanimously.

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So during close session this evening,

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council and staff had discussions and

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council provided staff with direction on

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confidential negotiations,

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confidential litigation matters, and

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confidential legal advice.

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Please note that the city of Cambridge

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council meetings are broadcast on the

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city's YouTube page and are archived on

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the city's website. It is imperative

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that we as city council promote public

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participation using a variety of methods

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including YouTube. On that note, our

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last council meeting had 779 views on

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YouTube and 10 delegations. For staff

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and delegates alike, please be sure that

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you stand 6 to 8 in from the microphone

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at the presenter's podium for optimal

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sound quality. There is no there is a

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remote at the podium you may use in

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advance for your slides. In the event of

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an emergency, please evacuate. council

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chambers using the nearest exit

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staircase. And should you require

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assistance, please see our clerk staff.

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They will provide you with support to

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exit the facility. Once you have

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evacuated the building, please gather

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outside of city hall in the farmers

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market parking lot and await further

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instruction. And now it is my pleasure

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to introduce council. Council Hamilton,

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Councelor Meta, Councelor Kimson,

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Councelor Roberts, Councelor Cooper,

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and Councelor Divine. We will now sing

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the national anthem. If you are able,

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please rise and follow along.

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Oh Canada,

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our home and

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True patient love

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in all of our

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with

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the true north and free

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from far and wide. Oh heaven and earth

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we stand on

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thee

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God

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glorious

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and free

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oh

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God for thee.

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and all we stand on guard

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we embrace our shared responsibility

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with the first nations people to take

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care of this earth and its creatures. We

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can only do so by walking the path as

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partners stewarding this land since we

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have been given the duty together to

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live in balance and harmony with all

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living things. We acknowledge and

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respect the Inishnab Chinankton and the

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Hodneson peoples who came before us and

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who we live amongst by honoring this

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truth of past and present. May we come

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to true reconciliation through

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listening, reflecting and learning.

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Before we begin, I'd like to take a

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moment to acknowledge and thank everyone

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for joining us this evening. We

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appreciate your participation

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and we're looking forward to the

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delegations this evening. As we come

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together to serve the community, I ask

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that we create a welcoming and positive

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environment for everyone that includes

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respect,

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kindness, inclusion. Together, we can

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make this meeting space one where

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respect, kindness, and inclusion are at

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the heart of everything we do. that this

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is a safe space. Behavior that is

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disrespectful, disruptive, aggressive,

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or intimidating will result in those

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individuals being asked to leave. And I

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have to say

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almost 100% of the time we have had all

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of those three things from our delegates

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and we appreciate that very much. A

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reminder to members of council that the

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Municipal Conflict of Interest Act

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requires council members to declare any

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direct or indirect pecuniary interest in

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relation to a matter under

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consideration. Are there any

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declarations this evening?

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I see none. We have two presentations

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this evening. Our first is from Sheila

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Jones from Vox Veritus Consulting

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regarding member of council compensation

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review. Uh first I'll ask our city clerk

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Jennifer Shaw to make some opening uh

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remarks. And following Jen's remarks, I

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will ask Sheila to come to the pod. Is

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Sheila here? When Jennifer finishes,

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I'll ask you to come to the podium.

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I would first like to thank council for

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uh your time in meeting with Sheila and

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our clerk's team as part of the

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one-on-one interviews that we did uh for

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the compensation review process. Your

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insights and experiences were

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appreciated and trying to understand and

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capture the important work that you do

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within the community. Uh there have been

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some comments received since the report

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and recommendations were published uh

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that are important to address before

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Sheila starts with her presentation this

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evening. Uh the first is that council

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member attendance was pulled from the

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minutes of each type of meeting that was

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used as part of the analysis and is

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correct based on our records. As council

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is aware, minutes from each meeting form

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part of the subsequent council

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information package and if there are

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errors or emissions, those should be

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noted at the time the minutes are

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adopted by council as part of the

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consent agenda motion.

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Secondly, we understand that there are

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some ad hoc working groups, advisory

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committees, and local boards that are

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not part of the attendance records in

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the report. Council compensation reviews

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typically do not use attendance data

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from these types of bodies because not

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all members of council are appointed to

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a body uh like these and some members

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may have several advisory committees or

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local boards or working groups while

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others may only have one or none. So

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they are not typically a good basis for

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comparison from a council compensation

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perspective. That said, the report does

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acknowledge that these bodies are an

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additional responsibility that some

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members of council have uh and they do

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factor into the workload impacts, but

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they don't affect salary

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recommendations.

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Finally, on page 14 and 15 of your

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agendas, there is reference to council

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appointments to various committees and

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boards. This information was provided to

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Sheila by clerks from appendix A of

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report 22-074

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CRS which was approved by council at the

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start of the council term. Uh when this

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report went forward the late Donna Reed

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was appointed to the archives working

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group celebration of women and arts art

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connect. Uh so a reasonable presumption

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was made that these groups would

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transfer over to councelor Shweri.

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none of them have met since the start of

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the council term, which sometimes

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happens. The same report also appointed

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councelor Devine to the Grand River

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Conservation Authority Board of

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Directors, but I do understand that the

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city has not allocated a city rep to

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this at this term and your council

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divine is instead appointed as a private

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citizen. So I again would just highlight

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that these nuances are why advisory

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committees and boards are not used as a

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basis for comparison for compensation

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review purposes. Thank you.

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» Welcome Sheila.

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>> You as well.

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» You as well.

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So good evening mayor and members of

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council. It is nice to see all of you

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again. Some we have met in person, some

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we met virtually.

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Thank you again for the opportunity to

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work with you on this compensation

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review. So this evening, I'm here to

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just provide a short recap of the

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recommendations and to answer any

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questions you may have.

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To start, let's acknowledge that your

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role of mayor and counselor are not

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conventional jobs.

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As elected officials, the Ontario

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Employment Standards Act does not apply

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to your positions

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and the courts have ruled that members

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of council are not considered employees

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of the municipality.

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So yours is not a job that is supported

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by an agreement, an employment

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agreement, an employment contract that

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would typically outline your hours of

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duty or your hours of responsibilities

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or other uh terms of employment.

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seen in the the staff, the

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administrative staff that sit around

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you. So yours is not a conventional job.

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Yet, the municipal act does permit

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municipalities to set remuneration and

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expenses for members of council and they

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expect municipalities to establish those

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remuneration policies uh with balancing

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fiscal stewardship and fair recognition

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of the time, the expertise

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and the effort required in order for you

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to carry out your statutory duties.

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So this review provides you with an

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independent and objective basis to

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assess your remuneration

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that aligns with the local economy,

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comparable municipalities,

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and supports the attraction and

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retention of qualified candidates.

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So our engagement approach took in uh

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into consideration several activities.

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We benchmarked your current salary

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against uh the eight comparator

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municipalities that share comparable

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conditions and governance complexity.

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single tier and lower tier

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municipalities having populations

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ranging from as high as 330,000 to as

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low as 123,000.

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Municipalities that are similar in

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economic profile.

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The services of the comparables vary as

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lower tier municipalities do not offer

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the same services as single tier

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municipalities.

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Yet we needed to understand the

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structural differences in order to

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perform an accurate council compensation

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benchmarking and the scope of the

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services provided do directly impact the

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counselor workload. The complexity of

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the governing oversight as well as time

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commitments. We reviewed internal and

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external data gathered from those

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interviews and thank you very much for

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participating in those interviews.

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the workload survey done as well. And we

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looked at publicly available reports

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both from your own city of Cambridge

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website as well as those comparator

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municipalities.

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We reviewed the Ontario Municipal Act as

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well as the Ontario Municipal

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Counselor's Guide in order to ensure we

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had a clear understanding of the

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responsibilities of the members of

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council. for it is very important for

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council compensation to reflect the

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breadth, complexity, the risk and the

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time commitment of the roles.

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And lastly, we used a role valuebased

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compensation model to anchor the member

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of council compensation and base

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salaries to the economic reality of the

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constituents.

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And in pegging compensation to the

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median full-time employment income of

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the municipality, adjust it for

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inflation and applying a complexity

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multiplier in order to uh account for

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the services within each of the lower

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tiers. It removes the one-sizefits-all

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approach. This approach recognizes the

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local economic conditions and works to

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create a strong link between the local

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community paying a member of council

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salary while reflecting the actual

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governance burden of the elected

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officials.

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So all the re research and analysis

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resulted in our recommendations in the

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following areas. In the matter of base

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salary for the counselor, a moderate

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increase in base salary to $59,827

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representing an increase of

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approximately $3,620

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per counselor in the first year of the

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new term of council.

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In addition, starting in 2027,

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the counselor salary would be increased

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based on the Ontario Consumer Price

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Index or CPI in order to keep the

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counselor salary anchored at 65% of the

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local median full-time income.

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Why 65%.

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Pegging the counselor role at 65%

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treats the counselor position as a

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substantial part-time role in economic

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terms and it signals that Cambridge

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counselors are expected to carry a

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significant and ongoing workload for

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governance constituency work and it

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reflects that the role is not a casual

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or an occasional commitment nor is is it

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a conventional staffing job.

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And for the mayor, we are recommending

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no increase. While the mayor's role is

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anchored at 135% of the local median

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full-time employment income, the model

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recommendation salary is less than the

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current salary for the mayor. For this

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reason, the mayor's salary is

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recommended to remain at the 2026 base

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salary with an annual increase based on

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Ontario CPI beginning in 2027.

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Why 135%.

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At 135% of the local median full-time

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employment income, this anchor treats

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the mayor's position as a fully

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full-time high accountability leadership

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role in economic terms. It signals the

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Cambridge mayor is expected to assume

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overarching responsibility for citywide

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governance, strategic direction, and

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external representation

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with continuous demands often extending

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well beyond the standard work week.

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In the manner of benefits and allowances

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for both counselors and mayor, we are

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recommending these remain the same as

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those in place at the current time.

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In addition to the remuneration

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recommendations, we've made some

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recommendations to enhance transparency

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and accountability

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given the components of remuneration and

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the various factors to consider.

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Establishing guiding principles for the

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use in future years uh of council

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remuneration reviews can help to

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maintain a compensation practice aligned

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with the municipality's values,

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governance philosophy and community

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expectations

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even as specific economic or political

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conditions evolve.

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Having member of council mandates or

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position descriptions helps to define

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clear expectations around key

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responsibilities and can serve as a

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guide for potential candidates for new

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members of council and for returning

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incumbents.

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And attendance reporting is a form of

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performance measurement and including

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this information in the annual council

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remuneration report aids in transparency

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and accountability.

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I do um expect myself to accept

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accountability and I will point out in

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my last review of the report today uh

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for many times that I read and reread

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and proofread it, I did note that there

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is a u transposed figure on page 12 in

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the mayor's role valuebased salary and

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it's transposed that the figure should

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actually read $13,546.

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6. This amount is correctly reported in

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the table below it on page 13.

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In closing, the report, admittedly

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lengthy, establishes the rationale for

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our recommendations.

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Again, thank you for your opportunity to

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work it with for me to work with you in

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this compensation review. Mayor, I turn

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it back to you.

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>> Thank you, Sheila. Uh, questions.

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Councelor and Sha.

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>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Lead and you

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» Yes. Thank you, Mayor Lead and you

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Sheila. Thank you for your report. Could

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you just elaborate a little bit on how

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you came to the uh complexity multiplier

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of 1.2? I I didn't really see that

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explained in in the report or I missed

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it if you wouldn't mind.

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>> Certainly, Councelor Ernshaw through you

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» Certainly, Councelor Ernshaw through you

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mayor.

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The 1.2 to figure comes from a number of

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factors that are considered and appendix

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um

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appendix B does contain the some I will

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say some of the details councelor

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Ernshaw it it does tell you the factors

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but it does not give you the numerical

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value associated with his factors the

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reason for that is this is a proprietary

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model and so if I actually publish that

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I

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you can understand where I'm going but I

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did come up with the 1.2 uh by using

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those factors and using the numerical

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values associated with those factors.

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>> Thank you

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» Thank you

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>> councelor Schwer.

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» councelor Schwer.

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Thank

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you mayor and thanks Sheila. Um, I know

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we talked about it. So, a part-time role

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from an employer's uh, perspective would

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be 20 hours. Um, and and you noted that

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a lot of the counselors work much longer

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than that. Around 32, I said, or I about

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35 minimum. Um, so what there so those

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are not part-time hours, but we're our

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role is part-time. Should maybe that

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kind of be explained that it's not

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really part-time that what counselors

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are doing?

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>> So through you mayor um councelor Shiri

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» So through you mayor um councelor Shiri

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that's a very um good observation and I

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that's why I have started my I started

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my comments with yours is not a

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conventional job.

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So the standards of practice related to

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hours of work defined in the Employment

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Standards Act

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don't apply to these positions as

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elected officials. That doesn't diminish

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the fact that you are spending hours in

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order to fulfill your commitments.

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those hours and the hours you choose to

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fulfill are fully discretionary in how

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you as individuals decide to fulfill

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that duty. So it is very challenging and

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I think those are the words I used in

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the report. It is very challenging to

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actually establish that this might be

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full-time or part-time.

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I have qualified it as substantially

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part-time recognizing it is not a casual

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or an occasional commitment.

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>> Okay. Thank you

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» Okay. Thank you

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>> councelor Meta.

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» councelor Meta.

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>> Thank you Mayor Jan through you um my

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» Thank you Mayor Jan through you um my

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question when you did the comparison

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with the different municipalities did

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you look at one of whether those um

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counselors um or those councils whether

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they had one counselor per ward or two

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per ward. So for example, Brford's got

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two per ward and G does as well. So does

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that affect the workload at all? Like

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when you're looking at the pay across

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the municipalities because in Cambridge

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we have one per ward as you know. So

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>> through you mayor a very interesting

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» through you mayor a very interesting

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observation with respect to Brford and

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G. Those are both single tier

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municipalities as well. uh so they do

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have a different structure and a

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different governance approach than

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Cambridge.

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it really in in comparison and I believe

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if you look at the

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comparison against the uh other

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benchmarks uh which includes the P50 and

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the average for lower tier which is the

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table on page 14 you'll see that um

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your

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current salary as a counselor and I'm

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going from my memory because I don't

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have page 14 in front of me but if I go

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from that I don't believe you're that

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far off in terms of those

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P50, which is the 50th percentile

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of the all tiers and the 50th percentile

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of the lower tiers.

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» Thank you, Mayor Jan. And another

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question, and I thought the report was

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very good, by the way. Uh my other

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question is uh to do with the two-tier

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government. So even though we are a

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two-tier structure and the city doesn't

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have jurisdiction over transit or

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garbage collection for example, I still

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get calls on those issues and residents

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expect to meet with me on those issues

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and they expect me to go to the region

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and all that and and I know we have

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regional counselors and I involve them

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as well but they want the ward counselor

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to also get involved. So, how do we draw

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the line, you know, when it comes to

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defining our job on Cambridge Council

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like with that the two-tier structure

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makes it difficult because residents

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want us to get involved in those issues,

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but they're not our jurisdiction. But,

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but it's very time consuming. That's

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kind of what I'm saying.

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>> Yeah. Through you, mayor. Um, it would

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» Yeah. Through you, mayor. Um, it would

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not be fair for me to comment on how you

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decide how you're going to allocate your

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time and what issues you're going to

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become involved in.

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» Councelor Kimson,

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>> thank you very much, Mayor Jan, and

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» thank you very much, Mayor Jan, and

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through you. Uh, thank you for your

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presentation and all the work that

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you've put into this. I'm wondering sort

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of as a generalization through the work

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that you've done with us here at the

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city of Cambridge as well as other

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municipalities,

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what would you recommend that we could

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do in order to increase the diversity of

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people that um pursue this type of

561
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,159
elected work

562
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:55,350
>> through you mayor. Um that is indeed a

563
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:55,360
» through you mayor. Um that is indeed a

564
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,159
very good question

565
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,880
and it is

566
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,760
probably the challenge of most municipal

567
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,520
councils.

568
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,400
How do we attract the candidates that

569
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,679
represent the community? One part of

570
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:16,159
that is compensation.

571
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:19,840
That is why once a term typically you

572
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,280
undertake to do a compensation review to

573
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,040
ensure that what you are willing to pay

574
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,440
because it is your decision will

575
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,159
actually help to attract.

576
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:36,159
That's the only thing I can comment on.

577
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:39,520
what other mechanisms or areas that you

578
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,880
can do uh or activities that you can

579
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,600
undertake that was not part of the

580
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,679
compensation review.

581
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:50,950
>> Thank you,

582
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,320
» Councelor Cooper.

583
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,550
>> Yes, thank you. Thank you for your

584
00:29:54,550 --> 00:29:54,560
» Yes, thank you. Thank you for your

585
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:55,760
report. I know you put a lot of work

586
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600
into this.

587
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,280
I've just got a question in concern with

588
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,520
if I can go back to your response to um

589
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,000
to councelor Sher here where we were

590
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,800
talking about the hours um obviously you

591
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,159
talked to a lot of us about the hours

592
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:10,719
that we do and and they are substantial

593
00:30:10,719 --> 00:30:12,880
this is not a part-time job um I do not

594
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,120
believe it is um and we're also I mean

595
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,520
we're on 24/7 it's it's made very clear

596
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,840
to us um so my concern is if you're

597
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,280
asking about the hours obviously you

598
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,440
believe that's going to affect your

599
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,120
recommendations

600
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,360
um but I did hear you date that um when

601
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,880
cancer shy stated the hours that were

602
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,400
done there clearly more than more than

603
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,719
part-time and some people put in more

604
00:30:34,719 --> 00:30:36,480
work than that that it seemed like he

605
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,639
was stating that because we are elected

606
00:30:38,639 --> 00:30:40,800
officials and our job is a little

607
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,679
different than others that we frankly

608
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:46,719
sound like we don't get compensated for

609
00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:50,560
that as if past part-time it is optional

610
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,960
and that's on us if we want to do it and

611
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,719
we don't have to do it but we do I can

612
00:30:54,719 --> 00:30:56,159
tell you that for

613
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:58,960
So I'm wondering why did it sound like

614
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,199
because of our position as elected

615
00:31:01,199 --> 00:31:04,159
officials that we shouldn't get

616
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:06,320
compensation based on the work that we

617
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,560
do because this is and to councelor

618
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,239
Kimson's point this is one of the

619
00:31:10,239 --> 00:31:11,760
reasons why this is this job is not

620
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,159
really that practical for a lot of

621
00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:15,679
people that have homes and families

622
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:18,080
because of relatively low relatively low

623
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,199
pay especially when you consider the

624
00:31:19,199 --> 00:31:21,520
work and stress we go through. So I'm

625
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,040
wondering it it sounded like you've just

626
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,520
kept this at part-time despite what we

627
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,159
actually do.

628
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:32,950
>> Your how you fulfill your role is 100%

629
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:32,960
» Your how you fulfill your role is 100%

630
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,760
within your respon your area of

631
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,639
responsibility.

632
00:31:38,639 --> 00:31:42,000
Some counselors may choose to spend more

633
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,560
hours than others.

634
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,520
So it would be from a compensation

635
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,360
perspective, from even thinking and

636
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,120
looking at that, it would be very

637
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,600
challenging to say and to apply and go

638
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,920
that route. It's very challenging to

639
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,920
apply what you want to hear. You want

640
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,040
somebody to say this is full-time. That

641
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,560
in my humble opinion is very challenging

642
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,440
to do because you are not in a

643
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,000
conventional job.

644
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Okay. Well, my followup, I just want to

645
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,360
say um I'm not asking for someone to say

646
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,360
it's full-time um but to have

647
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,960
appropriate um consideration for the

648
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600
hours that people do put in. Um that's

649
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,960
all and not to be judged on the ones

650
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:25,679
that do the least work.

651
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:28,950
>> That's a hard time. Is it purely density

652
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:28,960
» That's a hard time. Is it purely density

653
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,679
or is it the workloads? I'm just curious

654
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:33,360
and I'm not insinuating that we should

655
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,040
do that right now. That's a substantial

656
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,440
step in transformation in the way our

657
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,040
government would function. But out of

658
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,800
curiosity, what are those steps? because

659
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,560
other municipalities have crossed that

660
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,159
threshold for

661
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:48,870
>> through you mayor. Uh to my knowledge,

662
00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:48,880
» through you mayor. Uh to my knowledge,

663
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,840
Toronto, Hamilton, and Ottawa are

664
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,719
full-time counselors.

665
00:32:54,719 --> 00:32:57,760
They are substantially large. Um Toronto

666
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,400
operates under its own charter.

667
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:08,709
to my knowledge the

668
00:33:08,719 --> 00:33:10,480
» Okay, we're going to have to pause

669
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,120
because our live stream has gone down.

670
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,830
>> Oh,

671
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:13,840
» Oh,

672
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,830
>> so

673
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:15,840
» so

674
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,280
we don't want to make it look like we're

675
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,320
doing a closed door meeting here. So, we

676
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,760
just if you want to take a seat till

677
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,189
it's gone back up. Thanks.

678
00:33:27,199 --> 00:33:29,280
» We're back up. Um,

679
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,790
>> hey, we broke the internet.

680
00:33:30,790 --> 00:33:30,800
» hey, we broke the internet.

681
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,110
>> Yeah. So, so is, so you're expecting

682
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:35,120
» Yeah. So, so is, so you're expecting

683
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,199
this methodology to start to go across

684
00:33:37,199 --> 00:33:39,600
the province as more cities. You're

685
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,239
hoping I guess

686
00:33:40,239 --> 00:33:41,430
>> I would be hopeful.

687
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:41,440
» I would be hopeful.

688
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,669
>> Yeah. Yeah. Your experience is quite

689
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:43,679
» Yeah. Yeah. Your experience is quite

690
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:46,000
extensive. Really appreciative of it of

691
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,750
it. Um,

692
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,280
so if we looking at this, this is as it

693
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,199
sits today,

694
00:33:57,199 --> 00:34:00,000
but knowing that the region

695
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,280
is under review by the province now,

696
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560
this could all be moot by the time

697
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,400
January 1st, 2027 comes around.

698
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,990
>> Are you mayor? Um, that is anybody's

699
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:14,000
» Are you mayor? Um, that is anybody's

700
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,629
>> guess

701
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:14,639
» guess

702
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,510
>> guess. Yeah. Okay. Um, are there any

703
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:19,520
» guess. Yeah. Okay. Um, are there any

704
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,560
other questions here by anybody? Now's

705
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,080
your chance. You've got the expert up

706
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,830
here at the mic.

707
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,159
Okay, I have one more. Um,

708
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,080
so let's just talk about me. It's all

709
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,520
about me here, guys. Um,

710
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,080
so can you explain because I it took me

711
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,880
a while to get through this and into my

712
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:51,280
brain here. Um, on page 14, it says that

713
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560
the mayor's current 2026 base salary of

714
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,239
$135,000

715
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,840
positions the role below the market at

716
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,880
14 to 17%.

717
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Um

718
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,000
so what is the market that you're

719
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,880
looking at? What what is that wage?

720
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Right. So through you mayor if you are

721
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,360
referring to the table on page 12 which

722
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,280
is the role valuebased salary table. The

723
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,320
mayor's salary is the position that I

724
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,360
transpose the numbers on. So where it

725
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,639
says 130, it should actually be 103,000.

726
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:37,199
And when I'm referring to the market,

727
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:42,320
then that is within the um your P50,

728
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,800
your 50th percentile of your

729
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,880
comparators.

730
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,910
>> Okay? and that the mole the model's

731
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:49,920
» Okay? and that the mole the model's

732
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,440
recommended salary of 124 would increase

733
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,920
this discount moving it to approximately

734
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,320
21 to 24% below

735
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,990
>> below where you currently are.

736
00:35:59,990 --> 00:36:00,000
» below where you currently are.

737
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,550
>> Yes.

738
00:36:00,550 --> 00:36:00,560
» Yes.

739
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,430
>> Mhm.

740
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:01,440
» Mhm.

741
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,270
>> Okay. Um

742
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:05,280
» Okay. Um

743
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,040
and I think Jen, you want Jen's going to

744
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,840
talk about some things that errors that

745
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,440
were made that you wouldn't have been

746
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,629
aware of.

747
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:22,480
Oh, councelor Kimson, sorry.

748
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,990
>> Thank you, Mayor Jan. I just thought of

749
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:24,000
» Thank you, Mayor Jan. I just thought of

750
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,360
something as well. Um, question. As

751
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,719
elected officials, um, at least here in

752
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,880
the city of Cambridge, we don't have an

753
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,520
aotment of holidays, per se. Is that

754
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,679
something that's consistent across other

755
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,760
municipalities where elected officials

756
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,719
sort of take them as they need them or

757
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,840
is it something where some

758
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239
municipalities lay it out where there's

759
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,679
a minimum? I know the employment

760
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:49,920
standards doesn't apply to us, but is

761
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,159
that something that is um unique to us

762
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,800
or it is consistent?

763
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Because that's another thing that um the

764
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,320
public may not be aware of is that this

765
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,080
is a as we choose to do our jobs and how

766
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,760
we serve the public that we do it

767
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,679
effectively and efficiently. So, I'm

768
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,560
just wondering if that's something that

769
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,800
um is unique to us or across the board.

770
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,950
>> Through you, mayor. Uh in my research

771
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:18,960
» Through you, mayor. Uh in my research

772
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960
with the comparator municipalities and

773
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,920
looking at benefits allowances, vacation

774
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:31,510
was never mentioned.

775
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,119
I would say councelor Kimson that as

776
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,280
counselors in any community it's very

777
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,840
very difficult to take a bank of

778
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,800
holidays because we have meetings

779
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,960
constantly and I know even though I just

780
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,360
took four weeks holidays I attended

781
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,600
regional meetings closed dooror meetings

782
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,320
at both council levels other meetings

783
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
that were happening with administrative

784
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,119
staff as well as uh dealing with regular

785
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:00,800
emails from people and trying to get

786
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,239
things done behind the scenes. And I

787
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,000
know each and every one of you do the

788
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,239
same thing when you're on vacation. And

789
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,520
I don't think the public even

790
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,080
understands that we don't truly get a a

791
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,040
holiday and we can't just take a bank

792
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,760
all the time. So yeah, it's very

793
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,440
difficult and I think the public needs

794
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,320
to understand how much we give up with

795
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,719
our families as well. It's very very

796
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,400
hard and and I know you know that show

797
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,239
because you've been in our shoes before.

798
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,280
So, okay. Now, I'll have Jen speak to

799
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,159
this.

800
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,510
>> Um, just going back to page 15 of the

801
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:33,520
» Um, just going back to page 15 of the

802
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,280
agenda. Um, it is noted here that

803
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
councelor Roberts is vice chair of the

804
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,520
budget and audit committee and councelor

805
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,000
Hermeta is chair of that committee. We

806
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,600
also have the economic development

807
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,199
advisory committee which no longer

808
00:38:47,199 --> 00:38:50,239
exists and uh budget and audit does

809
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,760
technically still exist within the

810
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,520
procedure bylaw. However, we have not

811
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,760
been using that body since uh strong

812
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,480
mayor legislation came into effect. So,

813
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,360
uh we will look uh with Sheila's uh

814
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,280
consent here to maybe make some of those

815
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,159
changes for the public u agenda or the

816
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,000
public report so that it's not

817
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,390
misleading.

818
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,239
» You wouldn't know any of that, Sheila.

819
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,080
So, our apologies for leading you astray

820
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,440
on that one.

821
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,950
>> Apology accepted.

822
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:20,960
» Apology accepted.

823
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,830
>> Okay. Okay, last call, guys.

824
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:25,840
» Okay. Okay, last call, guys.

825
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,040
Great report.

826
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:27,510
>> Thank you.

827
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:27,520
» Thank you.

828
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:34,229
>> Great report. Thank you very much.

829
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,080
» Okay, councelor Ernshaw, you have this

830
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:42,709
motion.

831
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,600
I do. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Liot. It's u

832
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,000
moved by me and seconded by you, Mayor

833
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Liot, that the base salary for

834
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,669
counselors increase to $59,827

835
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:59,360
effective January 1, 2027 with annual

836
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,000
increases based on the Ontario consumer

837
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,119
price index and that the mayor's salary

838
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,709
of $135,67

839
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,280
remain unchanged effective January 1,

840
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,800
2027

841
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,199
with annual increases based on the

842
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:18,800
Ontario Consumer Price Index

843
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,800
and that the current benefits remain the

844
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,280
same for mayor and counselors effective

845
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,159
January 1, 2027

846
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,000
and that the current allowances remain

847
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,159
the same for the mayor and counselors

848
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,600
effective January 1, 2027

849
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,600
and that guiding principles be developed

850
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,320
for council remuneration to deliver

851
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,000
clear benchmarks for assessing

852
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,119
compensation proposals, minimizing bias

853
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,520
while aligning choices with public needs

854
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,159
and budgetary discipline.

855
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:50,159
And that position mandates be developed

856
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,560
for the mayor and counselors to define

857
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,480
clear expectations around key

858
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,880
responsibilities including policy

859
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,000
development, constituent representation,

860
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,000
budget oversight, and committee

861
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,520
involvement.

862
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,760
and further that staff be directed to

863
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,600
include

864
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,679
a council member a council member

865
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,360
attendance in the annual council

866
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,760
remuneration report to enhance

867
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,239
accountability, transparency and public

868
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,870
trust.

869
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,800
» Does anybody have any questions about

870
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560
the motion?

871
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,199
Councelor Divine,

872
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:29,830
>> is that on? Yeah. Okay. Thank you chair.

873
00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:29,840
» is that on? Yeah. Okay. Thank you chair.

874
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Um, I noticed

875
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,000
as we went through the attendance here,

876
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,320
um, there's a, you know, I was shown up

877
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,040
as being missing.

878
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,679
Those were times I took vacation.

879
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,320
Okay. And it's there was no there was

880
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,239
nothing there to indicate that I was on

881
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,840
vacation.

882
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840
And everybody here knows that I'll tell

883
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,239
always take a week in May

884
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,000
and you can probably book the week now.

885
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,920
You know that. All right. Now, I I think

886
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,960
we have to have a look at that. Then

887
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,280
when somebody's absent, if they have an

888
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,239
excuse such as vacation,

889
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,440
then that needs to be put in. Not just

890
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,600
that they're absent, right? If

891
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,199
somebody's absent, somebody's absent.

892
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,119
Okay? So be it. You know, you fall,

893
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,320
break your leg, you break your toe,

894
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
whatever. But if somebody's on vacation,

895
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,960
that's that's not an absence. That's an

896
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,520
excused absence. So I think we need to

897
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040
correct that. Thank you. Councelor

898
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,840
Meta.

899
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,070
>> Thank you, Mayor J. I thought councelor

900
00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:32,080
» Thank you, Mayor J. I thought councelor

901
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,679
very quickly I thought councelor Devine

902
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:36,159
did raise a good point because uh one of

903
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:37,760
the meetings that I ended up missing I

904
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,080
had my car stolen and I wasn't able to

905
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,719
right. You remember that right? So um I

906
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,520
mean just for record sakes thanks

907
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,070
>> councelor Cooper.

908
00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:50,080
» councelor Cooper.

909
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,310
>> Yes. Thank you Mig.

910
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:52,320
» Yes. Thank you Mig.

911
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,159
um just like to bring a comment forward

912
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,159
about this because I know over the years

913
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:57,360
um some of what I'm going to say now has

914
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,280
been said by pretty much all counselors.

915
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Uh we know this um

916
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,159
regarding this topic. I think the most

917
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:05,600
important thing here is that our

918
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,320
residents get the best representation

919
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,560
possible.

920
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,119
Okay, that's what our job is and it's

921
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:14,560
about when it comes to this whole

922
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,760
remuneration thing.

923
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,360
Does it hold us back? Does it hold the

924
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,760
city hall back the councils back from uh

925
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,440
from doing the best job possible? One

926
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,040
thing I know, I've heard it from

927
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,119
everybody here from previous counselors.

928
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,560
It does deter strong people from coming

929
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,119
to this job when the job isn't respected

930
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,199
and treated the same way the way the way

931
00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,280
that it should be.

932
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,520
Okay? This isn't just about the hours

933
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,800
that are put in um and and the stress

934
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,639
and all that stuff that we all know that

935
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,159
maybe people in the public don't all

936
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:48,159
know that we go through. It's not just

937
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:50,400
about the hours, whether it's full-time,

938
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,320
whether it's threequarters time, whether

939
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,040
it's part-time. It's about what this

940
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,560
could be and what's the best benefit to

941
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,639
the people of this community. If you

942
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,239
take someone works a regular job, let's

943
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,760
say they're working in a restaurant, you

944
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,280
tell them it's part-time, you give them

945
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,719
part-time pay, you're going to get

946
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,199
part-time,

947
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:12,239
if their job is respected

948
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,760
and treated the way it should be, and

949
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,760
they get the appropriate compensation,

950
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,000
which is not massive amounts, not asking

951
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,000
to be rich here, but if the job is

952
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,920
treated as full-time, and you're told

953
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,440
it's full-time, then maybe that's what

954
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,400
you're going to get.

955
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,000
Because right now we have people doing

956
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,360
all different hours all over the place

957
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,560
and there's not a heck of a lot of

958
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,040
motivation to do a lot more even though

959
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,679
many of us do. So this is not just about

960
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:37,119
money. It's about getting respect for

961
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:39,920
the job and having be able to bring in

962
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,440
people that not just retirees, people

963
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,000
that can raise a family on this. Smart

964
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,080
people out there instead of people that

965
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,520
you know are retired or have already got

966
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,600
they've already got retirement set up.

967
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,679
Um it's about what's best and what this

968
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:56,560
job could be. And I think um

969
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,239
results like this where I'm sorry but I

970
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,440
feel there's a lack of respect for the

971
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,440
work that's put in or somehow because we

972
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,199
are a different job. Yes we are but

973
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,040
somehow we shouldn't be compensated for

974
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,600
that. Um I do not agree with that. That

975
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,880
deters people. So yeah again um I'll

976
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,920
support this obviously um but I want

977
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,440
people to consider what this job could

978
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,199
be if we went full-time because that's

979
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:18,800
the best the best way to serve the

980
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,719
people that we we are intended to serve.

981
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,470
Thank you.

982
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Are there any other comments,

983
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,840
questions?

984
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,239
So, to follow up on councelor Divines,

985
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,360
um I think it's good that you brought

986
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,119
that up because I don't think that I

987
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:38,639
think when the public or the media

988
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:40,960
reports out attendance records, it makes

989
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,800
it look like people have missed this.

990
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,560
And I know you take vacation to help

991
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,480
your daughter and son-in-law bring off

992
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,000
harvest.

993
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,080
You fly down to Wyoming and you help do

994
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,639
that. And you can't I mean we have

995
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,679
council meetings during that time. Um

996
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,320
for myself I was at a summit I was a

997
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,639
panelist in Alberta at a summit and one

998
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:03,280
I had emergency surgery one night uh

999
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,639
where I couldn't be here as well. So uh

1000
00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:08,639
the public doesn't understand that sort

1001
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:12,480
of thing. Um but every single council

1002
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,639
member of council around this horseshoe

1003
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:18,400
is totally dedicated to their job.

1004
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,080
That's so true. And for anybody to think

1005
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,600
otherwise based on uh this attendance

1006
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,880
um is uh that's a mistake. And this

1007
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,880
attendance also does not talk about all

1008
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,360
the closed dooror meetings that we have

1009
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,280
that they're not counted in here. There

1010
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,800
are nights where we have closed dooror

1011
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,480
meetings without a regular council

1012
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,679
meeting. And I think there's 146

1013
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:45,520
meetings in the these um years here

1014
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,119
without the closed door meetings. That's

1015
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,600
a lot of meetings. It's a lot of

1016
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,679
agendas, a lot of studying, a lot of

1017
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,960
research, and this report speaks to

1018
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,639
that, speaks to the amount of work that

1019
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,360
goes behind being a counselor around

1020
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,280
this horseshoe and being dedicated to

1021
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,600
our community. So, I thank you for being

1022
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,520
part of the team that I am on, the one

1023
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,840
that I'm leading. I really appreciate

1024
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,080
every one of you. And I think this

1025
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,520
report can tell the public that if the

1026
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,600
public actually reads it themselves and

1027
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,280
it's going to take two or three times to

1028
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,360
go through this and and comprehend that.

1029
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,679
So, thank you to council. Thank you to

1030
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,280
Sheila for such a great report um and

1031
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,840
staff for your input into it as well.

1032
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,239
So, now we will call that question.

1033
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,669
Okay. Opening voting.

1034
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:39,760
Closing voting

1035
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:46,390
that carries unanimously.

1036
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,600
» Okay. So, our next presentation is from

1037
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,000
um some of our favorite people in the

1038
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,880
city who are also very dedicated to

1039
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,119
their jobs, the Cambridge Neighborhood

1040
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,960
Associations concerning municipal

1041
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,960
support to neighborhoods. And joining us

1042
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,320
are Jamie Mcconi, Kim Fowler, Emily

1043
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,320
Yarmsma, Amanda Horn, Taylor Bolstrod,

1044
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,800
Dana KMA, Eliah Lashnig, and Sandra

1045
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,280
Gamage. So, you've asked for you're

1046
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,719
going to do a group one tonight. You're

1047
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,080
going to each take a part and you're

1048
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,800
going to do 10 minutes total.

1049
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,480
Okay. How many of you?

1050
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,189
>> Four.

1051
00:48:23,189 --> 00:48:23,199
» Four.

1052
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,270
>> Four. Oh, I thought there was more.

1053
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:25,280
» Four. Oh, I thought there was more.

1054
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,350
>> They're all here. We're all here.

1055
00:48:27,350 --> 00:48:27,360
» They're all here. We're all here.

1056
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,510
>> Okay. Are you going to remain in your

1057
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:29,520
» Okay. Are you going to remain in your

1058
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,960
seats or you going to stand up here and

1059
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,320
take credit or do you want to wait till

1060
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,239
at the very end and take credit at the

1061
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,119
end?

1062
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,310
>> I was gonna I was going to

1063
00:48:36,310 --> 00:48:36,320
» I was gonna I was going to

1064
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,229
>> Okay, I saw that thumbs up there, Emily.

1065
00:48:40,229 --> 00:48:40,239
» Okay, I saw that thumbs up there, Emily.

1066
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,790
>> Okay, go for it.

1067
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:42,800
» Okay, go for it.

1068
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,430
>> Good evening, Mayor Leot,

1069
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:45,440
» Good evening, Mayor Leot,

1070
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,920
council, and staff. Thank you very much

1071
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,920
for your time. We really appreciate the

1072
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,960
time that you're allowing us to have

1073
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,360
here this evening. My name is Kim Fowler

1074
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,639
and I'm the executive director of the

1075
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:56,239
Fiddlesticks Community Center in

1076
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,199
Northeast G. I'm here this evening with

1077
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,600
my colleagues rep representing each of

1078
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,440
your Cambridge Neighborhood

1079
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,840
Associations. And I have to say as the

1080
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,600
old person, I put this on my phone

1081
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,040
thinking they would tease me if I came

1082
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,320
with papers and they all came with

1083
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,880
papers. So

1084
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,800
I just can't win. So, I'd just like to

1085
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,639
introduce uh from Allison Neighborhood

1086
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:19,199
Community Center, Jamie Hatfield.

1087
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:20,880
Myself from Fiddlesticks Community

1088
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,760
Center, Emily Jarsma.

1089
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,360
From the Greenway Chaplain Community

1090
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,760
Center, from HVNA or Hespler Village,

1091
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,520
Amanda Horn Davidson hiding behind me.

1092
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,960
uh from the Kimbridge Community

1093
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,320
Association, Taylor Bolstrad,

1094
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,600
from Langs, Dana KMA,

1095
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,880
from PHCG, Elliot Lischnik, and from

1096
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,480
Silver Heights Neighborhood Association,

1097
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,760
Sandra Gamage. And you will be relieved

1098
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,239
to know that we are not here to ask for

1099
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,119
a single thing

1100
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,719
because that's normally not how this

1101
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
works. Uh, but what we want to do is we

1102
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,440
want to tell you about what we do and

1103
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,000
how your financial support and just your

1104
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,600
support in general coming out to our

1105
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,239
events, what that means to us and how

1106
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,159
that impacts our neighborhood work. And

1107
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:15,350
I'll pass it over now.

1108
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
» Good evening. Thank you, Kim. Uh this

1109
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,560
evening's presentation highlights uh our

1110
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,000
Cambridge neighborhood community

1111
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,480
development model as adopted by the

1112
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,960
Cambridge neighborhood organizations.

1113
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,679
Our so social infrastructure that

1114
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:31,600
comprises of our not forprofits and

1115
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,480
charities. Our fiscal stewardship, a

1116
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,239
demonstration of how the city's core

1117
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,840
funding leverages the work we do,

1118
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,840
people, place, and prosperity. Bringing

1119
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,600
our CD model to life through

1120
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,679
storytelling and conclusion and

1121
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,119
questions. We look forward to hearing

1122
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,870
from you as council.

1123
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,560
What is the neighborhood community

1124
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,119
development model? Collaborating with

1125
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,440
community. We engage with community

1126
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,440
members to assist them in recognizing

1127
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,760
the needs within neighborhoods.

1128
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,320
Residents play an active role in shaping

1129
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,400
the programs and services available in

1130
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,199
their area. Neighborhood associations

1131
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:13,679
focus on building relationships

1132
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:15,840
resident to resident, resident to their

1133
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,480
neighborhood association and resident to

1134
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,880
building leadership capacity. And this

1135
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,119
model is distinct amongst the city of

1136
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,280
Cambridge providing benefits to the

1137
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,669
entire Cambridge community.

1138
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:33,119
So our CD model as a network of the

1139
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,360
Cambridge neighborhood organizations,

1140
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,000
our impact and what we hope for is a

1141
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,480
thriving connected neighborhood. We do

1142
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,800
that by measuring increased

1143
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,360
connectedness, an understanding of

1144
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,000
residents needs, wants, and perspectives

1145
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,080
and an increased neighborhood leadership

1146
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,080
capacity.

1147
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,080
We do this most commonly through

1148
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,480
engaging and convening residents, most

1149
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,000
commonly through recreational

1150
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,719
activities, broadly asking and assessing

1151
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,280
residents perspectives, and facilitating

1152
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,679
residents in addressing their issues and

1153
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:13,510
their goals.

1154
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,440
So the Cambridge Neighborhood

1155
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,800
Organization provides social

1156
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,719
infrastructure by serving the members of

1157
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,800
the community in spaces close to home

1158
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,599
which enables so social connection. Uh

1159
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:25,360
the Cambridge Neighborhood Association

1160
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,119
is made up of eight or uh eight

1161
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,880
neighborhood associations across 10

1162
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,199
sites and we provide a decentralized

1163
00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:33,040
service delivery model meaning that we

1164
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,280
serve within our boundaries. This allows

1165
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,440
us to tailor programs to support each

1166
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,679
neighborhood's unique needs. And while

1167
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:41,840
we are eight separate organizations, we

1168
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,599
overlap in the types of opportunities

1169
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,679
that we provide across the city. All

1170
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:47,760
eight organizations are either a charity

1171
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,920
or a not for-profit organization with a

1172
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,320
governing board of directors. We provide

1173
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,159
similar programming such as before and

1174
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,000
after school programs, recreational

1175
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,159
drop-in programs for all ages, summer

1176
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,560
camps, youth leadership development, as

1177
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,320
well as our annual events such as our

1178
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,239
neighborhood days, youth dances, sports

1179
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,639
tournaments, and seasonal festivals. We

1180
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,880
also serve as a hub to bring external

1181
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,960
organizations into each neighborhood.

1182
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,639
These partnerships include House of

1183
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:14,239
Friendship, the Cambridge Food Bank,

1184
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:21,189
Earlon, the YW.CA, and more.

1185
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,520
So, in relation to Cambridge's vision of

1186
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,440
people, place and prosperity, we want to

1187
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,199
highlight how this comes to life across

1188
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:28,960
our organizations and the work that we

1189
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,760
do. So we see this through volunteerism,

1190
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,719
our program and event stats as well as

1191
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,400
um highlighting different stories from

1192
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,679
the work that we do and our

1193
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,189
organizations.

1194
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:42,800
» Next

1195
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,639
and I get to do this I get to do the

1196
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:48,080
stats. So as Amanda here I have to get

1197
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,719
my dog out of the way.

1198
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,599
As Amanda had mentioned

1199
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,599
that our primary purpose is to engage

1200
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:56,960
those in our neighborhoods, build

1201
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,800
relationships and connections among our

1202
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,639
neighborhood our neighbors. And how do

1203
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,719
we do that? We do it through

1204
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,119
volunteerism and recreation. So, as you

1205
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:06,719
can see on the screens, I'm sure you

1206
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,040
have in front of you. Together, we

1207
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,840
support 1,125

1208
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,719
volunteers. And in 2024, which we have

1209
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,070
all of the stats for, we had 37,357.5.

1210
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,239
That.5 is important to an afterchool

1211
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,920
program parent when a volunteer stays

1212
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,080
because they're late. Those are the

1213
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,560
hours that were spent. That's the

1214
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,560
equivalent of 20 full-time jobs. So,

1215
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,080
pretty pretty impressive. This kind of

1216
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,719
um inind service calculated at a living

1217
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,000
wage with uh the region of water's

1218
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,400
living wage is representative of

1219
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,070
$859,211.

1220
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,280
So that is what it would cost us to do

1221
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,800
the work if we did not have the

1222
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,280
volunteers that we have. We are also all

1223
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,960
proudly affiliated with volunteer

1224
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,990
Canada.

1225
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,320
Next, we'd like to talk about the visits

1226
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,040
to our neighborhood centers. So, as you

1227
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,040
can see, we have registered recreation

1228
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,760
programs, drop-in recreation programs,

1229
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,040
events, and summer camps. We had over

1230
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,360
122,000 visits to our neighborhood

1231
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,599
centers this year. So, across Cambridge,

1232
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,400
we were able to have that many visits.

1233
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,800
We also, as Amanda had mentioned, we

1234
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,440
have or actually I think it was Jamie

1235
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,239
had mentioned that we host um other

1236
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,719
organizations that can provide services.

1237
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,960
So among all of the neighborhoods, we

1238
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,360
provided 3,915

1239
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,719
hours of facility time that other

1240
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,480
organizations were able to offer

1241
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,560
services within our communities, within

1242
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,109
our neighborhoods.

1243
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,800
The annual funding from the city of

1244
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,760
Cambridge is so important to the work

1245
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,679
that we do.

1246
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,480
What this does for us is it demonstrates

1247
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,119
to other funding bodies that there is a

1248
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,760
level of trust that our municipality has

1249
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,599
in our organizations that we are

1250
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,440
good stewards of our money, that we're

1251
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,719
trustworthy, we're fiscally responsible,

1252
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,560
and because of that we're considered

1253
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,639
established organizations. And in many

1254
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,080
many funding applications that we apply

1255
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,280
to, it asks those questions. How do we

1256
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,760
how can we tell that you are established

1257
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,760
organizations? And how do we know that

1258
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,400
you will be good stewards of our money?

1259
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,719
So here are some great statistics. If

1260
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,040
you can take a look at this, the city's

1261
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,719
investment in the neighborhoods is

1262
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,520
matched fourfold through grants, fees

1263
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:40,719
for service, and community

1264
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,400
contributions.

1265
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,239
So our total budgets or sorry the city's

1266
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,719
uh contribution annually or this uh for

1267
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,310
2024 was 1,248,834.

1268
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,320
The total budgets of our organizations

1269
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:03,589
was over $5 million. 5,382,772.

1270
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:08,960
So that we were able to leverage $4,133.

1271
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,040
So for every dollar that the city of

1272
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,599
Cambridge is investing

1273
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:15,840
dollar-wise, we are bringing that back

1274
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,920
four-fold.

1275
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,800
On top of that, that doesn't count our

1276
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,719
inind contributions. So that doesn't

1277
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:24,560
count the volunteer time. That doesn't

1278
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,040
count um you know, donations of food

1279
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,880
from the food bank. That doesn't count

1280
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,400
or to the food bank. Doesn't count

1281
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,159
donations that come in that aren't

1282
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,360
monetary donations from our communities.

1283
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,440
All of this, the benefits extend through

1284
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,080
the entire city. So, we would just like

1285
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,719
to thank you for your confidence in us

1286
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:46,159
as neighborhood organizations and the

1287
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:50,000
trust that you have in us that we will

1288
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,480
be good stewards of the funds. Oh my

1289
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:52,960
goodness,

1290
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,109
>> that's a good date.

1291
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:55,119
» that's a good date.

1292
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:58,229
>> Amazing. Um, just with the little bit of

1293
00:57:58,229 --> 00:57:58,239
» Amazing. Um, just with the little bit of

1294
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:00,000
time that we do have left, we want to be

1295
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,239
able to speak upon some stories with

1296
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:03,520
that lens of people, place, and

1297
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,080
prosperity. Um within our presentation

1298
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,000
booklet there is all the stories from

1299
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,920
each of the organizations that we do ask

1300
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,400
that you read at some point. Um so our

1301
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,320
first story highlights the theme of

1302
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,239
people. Um and it's about a participant

1303
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:18,400
from Langs who started as a participant

1304
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,480
moved into volunteering and then ended

1305
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,520
up becoming a staff. Um as well she was

1306
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,760
awarded the city of Cambridge High Five

1307
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,000
Champion Award uh which highlighted her

1308
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,159
dedication to ensuring quality

1309
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:34,480
programming. And then our next story is

1310
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,480
the theme of place from Allison. If you

1311
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:37,440
really

1312
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,070
>> really quickly,

1313
00:58:38,070 --> 00:58:38,080
» really quickly,

1314
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,589
>> I'll just speak quickly. We have a

1315
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:39,599
» I'll just speak quickly. We have a

1316
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,440
volunteer who's been a participant

1317
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,280
basically since she was in elementary

1318
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,199
school. Uh she was always very shy.

1319
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:46,880
She's now very outgoing, very

1320
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,400
enthusiastic, and she calls Ala

1321
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,920
neighborhood her second home, which we

1322
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,109
really love.

1323
00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:00,070
» Very good.

1324
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,400
There we are.

1325
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,870
>> Okay, we have Are you finished?

1326
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:04,880
» Okay, we have Are you finished?

1327
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,189
>> Yes,

1328
00:59:05,189 --> 00:59:05,199
» Yes,

1329
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:06,149
>> we are.

1330
00:59:06,149 --> 00:59:06,159
» we are.

1331
00:59:06,159 --> 00:59:09,189
>> Okay, this perfect timing. The rest of

1332
00:59:09,189 --> 00:59:09,199
» Okay, this perfect timing. The rest of

1333
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:10,880
you want to get up here in case there's

1334
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,000
questions for you, too.

1335
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,550
I see questions here.

1336
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,719
Councelor Divine.

1337
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,990
>> Yes. Thank you to the chair.

1338
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:24,000
» Yes. Thank you to the chair.

1339
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,400
I'd really like to

1340
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,080
thank

1341
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,440
you folks for what you do because you

1342
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,800
have taken some kids that and given them

1343
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,520
a home and looked after them after

1344
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,719
school through the day. Um a few years

1345
00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,000
up there I know and please please keep

1346
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,760
up the good work. I I I don't know how

1347
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,280
you can take that nickel and stretch it

1348
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,679
to a quarter, but by golly you do a

1349
00:59:49,679 --> 00:59:51,920
great job at it. Please keep up the good

1350
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,119
work. and we in the city are proud of

1351
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,840
each and every one of you and everyone

1352
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,520
that works in the centers. Thank you

1353
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,840
very much.

1354
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,990
>> Councelor Sher,

1355
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:04,000
» Councelor Sher,

1356
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,760
thank you Mayor Lean. I don't have a

1357
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,760
question but have a comment as Mike

1358
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,520
Divine um said. So I got more to know

1359
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,159
Preston Heights Community Group um

1360
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,639
neighborhood association and I as well

1361
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:19,679
am very impressed and proud of you. Uh,

1362
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,880
I've met with Parkway um public school

1363
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,239
and basically you're a lifeline to a lot

1364
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,080
of those families. There's a lot of

1365
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,480
those families are very needy and and

1366
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,880
they just count on their kids being able

1367
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,199
to be looked after you. I didn't realize

1368
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:38,639
that the quickie store in I guess all of

1369
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:41,440
Ontario or maybe more sells the most

1370
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,719
ramen those noodles um because they're

1371
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,960
cheap and they feed people and it's and

1372
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,679
it was so sad to hear that. But just

1373
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:51,920
thank you and I I know I followed Justin

1374
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,599
through with one of his trips to Ottawa

1375
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,440
and wish I could have been there. It

1376
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,000
sounded so much fun and just all the

1377
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,400
cool things that you do and just to make

1378
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,199
those families, the kids so much their

1379
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:05,280
lives so much better. So, thank you.

1380
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,880
Haven't gotten involved with the Silver

1381
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,639
Heis, but I'd like to be more involved

1382
01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:10,800
with them because you're in my war, too.

1383
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,639
But yeah, I'm just so impressed with

1384
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,440
you,

1385
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,709
>> councelor Meta.

1386
01:01:16,709 --> 01:01:16,719
» councelor Meta.

1387
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:17,510
>> Thank you.

1388
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:17,520
» Thank you.

1389
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,070
>> Strictly kudos here to

1390
01:01:20,070 --> 01:01:20,080
» Strictly kudos here to

1391
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,589
>> We'll take them.

1392
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:21,599
» We'll take them.

1393
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,189
>> Thank you, Mayor Jan, through you. I

1394
01:01:23,189 --> 01:01:23,199
» Thank you, Mayor Jan, through you. I

1395
01:01:23,199 --> 01:01:25,199
also would like to extend my kudos as

1396
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:27,760
well. I am absolutely amazed at what you

1397
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,599
do with the resources that we give you

1398
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,320
and uh it's incredible just to see how

1399
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,639
far you stretch the dollars and how you

1400
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:37,040
make a difference in people's lives. And

1401
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,520
I know of people today who would not be

1402
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,560
alive if they didn't get involved in the

1403
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,199
neighborhood. So, um I want to commend

1404
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:46,880
um Fiddlesticks and Northview Heights

1405
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,280
and all of you really um for touching

1406
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,560
those lives. I think there's a lot of

1407
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,480
stories that we don't know about and

1408
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,080
those people are here today because of

1409
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,480
you. So, I commend you for that. And um

1410
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,560
in Northeast G in particular, because I

1411
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,199
inter interact with my constituents the

1412
01:02:01,199 --> 01:02:03,280
most, I'm always hearing about the fun

1413
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,920
that they have at the events and um you

1414
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,920
know, your hospitality. So, keep up the

1415
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,679
great work.

1416
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:11,990
>> Councelor Kimson,

1417
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:12,000
» Councelor Kimson,

1418
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,350
>> thank you very much, Maryanne, and

1419
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:13,360
» thank you very much, Maryanne, and

1420
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,880
through you. Um thank you.

1421
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,520
It it's incredible when I look out at

1422
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,199
everyone here representing the different

1423
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,599
neighborhood associations that we have

1424
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,920
within our community and and you provide

1425
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,320
the programming where it is needed most

1426
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,480
and that's right where people are and

1427
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,199
it's specific to what is needed and you

1428
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:37,360
adapt it based on what comes through

1429
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,199
your door. Whether you're adopting a

1430
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,480
program on the fly that day or whether

1431
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,080
you're seeing a need in the community

1432
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,679
and you're figuring out how do we

1433
01:02:45,679 --> 01:02:48,719
address it, um the value you bring goes

1434
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:52,080
well beyond dollars. Um you change lives

1435
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,560
and I'm just very grateful for

1436
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,239
everything that you do and I know our

1437
01:02:56,239 --> 01:02:58,960
community is as well. So give yourselves

1438
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,960
all a pat on the back for not allowed to

1439
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,000
clap in council, but please um consider

1440
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,119
this a non-clap and pat yourselves on

1441
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:09,199
the back. Thank you,

1442
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,109
>> Councelor Hamilton.

1443
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:11,119
» Councelor Hamilton.

1444
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:12,870
>> Thank you, Mayor Leon through you. I do

1445
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:12,880
» Thank you, Mayor Leon through you. I do

1446
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,560
have a question if that's okay.

1447
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:14,870
>> Absolutely.

1448
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:14,880
» Absolutely.

1449
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,030
>> I echo the congratulatory praise of all

1450
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:17,040
» I echo the congratulatory praise of all

1451
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,400
of my colleagues because you all do

1452
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,520
tremendous work across every

1453
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,239
association. Um, but across the eight

1454
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:24,000
associations and the 10 locations, we

1455
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,840
know there's kind of the there's the

1456
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,760
triple threat of a decline in donor

1457
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,320
funds, challenges with HR and staffing,

1458
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,480
and escalating social crises, right? And

1459
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,159
then the neighborhood association is

1460
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:35,679
right in the middle of that widening

1461
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:38,320
gap. I know every association is

1462
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,679
different and there are different

1463
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:41,520
pockets of Cambridge with specific

1464
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,679
needs, but are there any general trends

1465
01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:45,599
across the city that you as neighborhood

1466
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,040
associations on the ground are

1467
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,440
identifying and are there ways that the

1468
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,360
city can help you with those because you

1469
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:52,639
are on the front lines seeing them as

1470
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:54,480
they emerge?

1471
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,189
>> Yeah, I would say youth mental health

1472
01:03:57,189 --> 01:03:57,199
» Yeah, I would say youth mental health

1473
01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:00,480
would be something else.

1474
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,870
>> Sorry. Don't cry.

1475
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:02,880
» Sorry. Don't cry.

1476
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,109
>> I won't cry. Uh, I would say youth

1477
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:05,119
» I won't cry. Uh, I would say youth

1478
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:07,520
mental health would be something that

1479
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,760
would be um across all of our

1480
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,080
organizations. I actually was uh so

1481
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,840
you're saying don't cry. Um I was

1482
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,199
actually speaking with a parent today

1483
01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:16,719
who's very concerned about their young

1484
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:20,560
person. Um, I don't know what council

1485
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,560
can do about that, but supporting us the

1486
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,040
way that you do certainly helps us to be

1487
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,599
there when that parent sends an email

1488
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,599
and uh, you know, knows that we're

1489
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,880
local, knows that we know this kid

1490
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,040
because he's come to our programs and

1491
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:38,639
he's he's very connected with um, you

1492
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:40,480
know, the staff and uh, and young

1493
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,840
volunteers who are local as well. So,

1494
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,480
you know, continued support is

1495
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,040
wonderful. Um, but yeah, youth mental

1496
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,000
health.

1497
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,950
>> Thank you.

1498
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:52,960
» Thank you.

1499
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,629
>> Uh, thank you to all of you. Um, I think

1500
01:04:56,629 --> 01:04:56,639
» Uh, thank you to all of you. Um, I think

1501
01:04:56,639 --> 01:04:59,119
that you probably do more for the

1502
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,360
children's mental health, all of you

1503
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,239
combined, than we could ever do around

1504
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:06,639
this council table. The sense of purpose

1505
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:09,840
that you give kids is very big. a place

1506
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,360
for them to go when they uh home is not

1507
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,119
a good place to be is excellent. What we

1508
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:19,679
do around this horseshoe is we provide

1509
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,960
funding for uh programs within the city.

1510
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,840
We pro we provide facilities where kids

1511
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,719
can go. I'm really impressed with how

1512
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:30,800
many of your kids come back and

1513
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,000
volunteer later on. It's just it it just

1514
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,560
shows the value of what you do and what

1515
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:42,000
what you bring to them. Um we ask uh

1516
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,599
every um August at AMO we ask for more

1517
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:47,679
funding to be put into mental health and

1518
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:49,840
addictions and thank you for your

1519
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,719
upstream work to stop that and being

1520
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:56,080
partners with us on that. I will tell

1521
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,560
you that uh we just um on the 31st we

1522
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,719
just submitted our

1523
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,679
31st was the deadline uh submitted it to

1524
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:09,679
Minister Bethnafaly for his budget and

1525
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:11,760
children's mental health hospital

1526
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,119
funding for that for programs there. Um,

1527
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:17,360
that was something that I asked for in

1528
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,239
my my letter to him to put more money

1529
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:22,000
into that along with the infrastructure

1530
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,840
and everything else which goes without

1531
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,920
saying, but

1532
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,239
it's extremely important that we partner

1533
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:33,280
with you on that. And um I I I I can't

1534
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,920
say enough about how much I love all of

1535
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,159
you guys. The work that you do is just

1536
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:40,239
incredible. So, thank you so much for

1537
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,679
that. and thank you for just coming and

1538
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:45,440
patting yourselves on the back and

1539
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,920
promoting all the work that you do

1540
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,560
because it's it's uh it's just amazing

1541
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,400
and I hope the media has picked up a lot

1542
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,159
of good stuff from you here tonight. I'm

1543
01:06:54,159 --> 01:06:56,079
sure they have. Right. You have, right?

1544
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,000
Yes. I got a nod from the back of the

1545
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:05,750
room. So, thank you so much. Thank you.

1546
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,920
» Um, so we finished that part of the

1547
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,520
program tonight and we're going to move

1548
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,760
into the delegation portion portion of

1549
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,440
the agenda where all registered

1550
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,520
delegates may speak to matters on

1551
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,760
tonight's council agenda. To be

1552
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,360
respectful and mindful of everyone's

1553
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,639
time, we will hear from all

1554
01:07:20,639 --> 01:07:22,560
pre-registered delegates first. Then we

1555
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,320
will continue to discuss and vote on

1556
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,239
each item in order of the published

1557
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:28,719
agenda. We have eight pre-registered

1558
01:07:28,719 --> 01:07:30,880
delegation requests this evening and I

1559
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,119
will call each one in the order that we

1560
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,840
received their delegation requests. So

1561
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,079
Larry Mo on behalf of the Waterlue

1562
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:41,760
Region Home Builders Association

1563
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,000
uh read the comprehensive zoning bylaw

1564
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,920
review. Welcome Larry.

1565
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,189
>> I'm going to disappear for 10 minutes.

1566
01:07:47,189 --> 01:07:47,199
» I'm going to disappear for 10 minutes.

1567
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:56,069
Go exercise.

1568
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,880
Excuse me. My name is Larry Masio and I

1569
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,679
serve as an adviser to the Waterlue

1570
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:04,800
Region Home Builders Association.

1571
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,760
The WHBA previously delegated to city

1572
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,079
council at the public meeting for this

1573
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,320
matter held on December 15th last year.

1574
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,880
And while we concur with most of the

1575
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,440
staff recommendations which are before

1576
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,079
you this evening as well as the majority

1577
01:08:22,079 --> 01:08:24,480
of changes summarized in the staff

1578
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:28,400
report, our primary concern remains.

1579
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,880
This concern relates to the proposed

1580
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,079
regulations for private driveways as

1581
01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:36,639
highlighted on pages 12 and 13 of the

1582
01:08:36,639 --> 01:08:40,000
staff report and included within tables

1583
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,599
7.3A

1584
01:08:41,599 --> 01:08:43,599
and 7.3B

1585
01:08:43,599 --> 01:08:47,920
of the draft bylaw before you tonight.

1586
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,639
Quite simply, the proposed increase in

1587
01:08:50,639 --> 01:08:53,760
the minimum front yard to a garage,

1588
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,560
commonly known as the driveway length,

1589
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,560
from 6 m to 8 m, is problematic, does

1590
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,880
not reflect good planning, is

1591
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,280
inconsistent with other regulations of

1592
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,880
the zoning bylaw, and is contrary to

1593
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,719
provincial directions around making

1594
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:14,320
housing more affordable.

1595
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,880
We note that this that a six meter

1596
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,239
standard is widely used across Ontario

1597
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,880
and already forms the basis of much of

1598
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,040
Cambridge's existing residential

1599
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,800
development.

1600
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,960
The proposed increase would have

1601
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,560
significant and unintended impacts.

1602
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,000
These are legal nonconformity for

1603
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,800
existing homeowners. Many homes would

1604
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,520
instantly become legal non-conforming,

1605
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,760
creating the need for minor variances

1606
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,400
for common property improvements,

1607
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,760
including the provision of ARUS and

1608
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,199
adding unnecessary cost and complexity

1609
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:55,920
for homeowners.

1610
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,040
Disruption to approved subdivisions.

1611
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,760
Numerous currently built out draft

1612
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,239
approved subdivisions were designed

1613
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,520
around the 6 m standard. Changing the

1614
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,000
requirement midstream would en would

1615
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,119
undermine established product lines,

1616
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:17,280
constrain lot design and increase costs

1617
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,679
thereby affecting housing affordability.

1618
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,239
Thirdly, design and affordability

1619
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:26,719
impacts on new development and resulting

1620
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:30,320
financial impact to end users. To

1621
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,840
accommodate an 8 m driveway, future lots

1622
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,280
would need to be deeper or rear or rear

1623
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,119
yards smaller, driving up lot costs or

1624
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:44,159
diminishing private outdoor space. This

1625
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,320
creates a competitive disadvantage

1626
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,800
compared to nearby municipalities that

1627
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,280
do not impose these requirements,

1628
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,760
resulting again in higher cost of

1629
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,880
housing and for the end user within the

1630
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,760
city of Cambridge.

1631
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,079
Fourthly, lack of alignment with

1632
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:05,280
provincial norms. A proposed mandatory 8

1633
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,520
meter driveway is not consistent with

1634
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,760
standards across the region or the

1635
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,280
province where 6 m remains the accepted

1636
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,079
norm in urban contexts.

1637
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,159
We remind council that the driveway

1638
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,480
length requirement is a minimum. There

1639
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,480
is nothing preventing a homeowner who

1640
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,880
needs a longer driveway from incurring

1641
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,079
the cost themselves or working with a

1642
01:11:28,079 --> 01:11:30,560
builder to develop a lot with a longer

1643
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,400
driveway.

1644
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,159
And finally,

1645
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,400
inconsistency within the new zoning

1646
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,159
bylaw. Whereas driveways in front of new

1647
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,560
garages of new dwellings will now be

1648
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,440
required to be 8 meters in length, the

1649
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:48,239
garages themselves, as well as parking

1650
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,800
spaces within parking lots and parking

1651
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,599
garages will still only need to be 6 m

1652
01:11:53,599 --> 01:11:56,320
in length. We're not sure this makes

1653
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,960
sense, and it suggests that people

1654
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,599
driving oversized vehicles only park in

1655
01:12:01,599 --> 01:12:04,000
residential driveways.

1656
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,960
In summary, the combined effect of these

1657
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,320
requirements is substantial and will

1658
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,360
result in higher development costs, less

1659
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,840
efficient site design, a greater

1660
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,000
proportion of land area dedicated to

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,560
parking, and increased pressures on

1662
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,800
housing affordability.

1663
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,440
These outcomes run counter to broader

1664
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:27,920
municipal and provincial objectives to

1665
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,040
encourage product compact development

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,320
and reduce reliance on automobiles.

1667
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,639
More importantly, they are contrary to

1668
01:12:36,639 --> 01:12:39,280
the objective of housing affordability

1669
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,440
and raise serious concerns within the

1670
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,520
home building industry.

1671
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,760
To ensure alignment with best practices

1672
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,920
and support efficient, affordable

1673
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,079
development within Cambridge, we

1674
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:52,079
respectfully request that council

1675
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:54,480
maintain the minimum driveway length at

1676
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,320
6 m consistent with regional norms and

1677
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,280
original staff recommendations.

1678
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,199
Thank you for the opportunity to provide

1679
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,239
feedback on this important matter and I

1680
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:08,079
would be happy to answer any questions

1681
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:10,159
should there be any.

1682
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:13,040
Are there any questions?

1683
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,830
>> Councelor Meta

1684
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:15,840
» Councelor Meta

1685
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:16,079
and

1686
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:18,470
>> thank you for your presentation. What

1687
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:18,480
» thank you for your presentation. What

1688
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:20,639
would you say the average depth is of

1689
01:13:20,639 --> 01:13:22,800
the lots throughout Cambridge like in

1690
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,040
the newer subdivisions? Is it about 100

1691
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,159
ft deep or

1692
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,510
>> 100 to 110 typically would be in feet

1693
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:29,520
» 100 to 110 typically would be in feet

1694
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,679
would be the I think the norm.

1695
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:33,109
>> Okay. Thank you for that.

1696
01:13:33,109 --> 01:13:33,119
» Okay. Thank you for that.

1697
01:13:33,119 --> 01:13:35,430
>> You're welcome.

1698
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:35,440
» You're welcome.

1699
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:37,440
Larry, do you recognize the fact that

1700
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,679
there are municipalities besides ours

1701
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:41,360
across the province who are starting to

1702
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,960
look at the lack of parking? For

1703
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,440
instance, I look at London. The deputy

1704
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,119
mayor there is bringing forward a motion

1705
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:49,440
to roll back their decision, previous

1706
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,920
decision of one one parking unit for

1707
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,960
every two units and to requiring two.

1708
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,320
That's coming forward at the city of

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01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,639
London because of the problems with on

1710
01:13:58,639 --> 01:14:01,679
street parking. No, we're we're aware of

1711
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:04,079
uh parking requirements generally

1712
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:06,079
throughout the province and and the

1713
01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:08,880
direction in that regard. The issue here

1714
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,199
is that a 6 m parking space is

1715
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:15,520
sufficient for virtually every vehicle

1716
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,159
vehicle that would normally and

1717
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:20,560
reasonably be parked in a residential

1718
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,599
neighborhood. So increasing that length

1719
01:14:23,599 --> 01:14:28,079
to 8 mters for

1720
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:32,079
like almost nobody uh you know somebody

1721
01:14:32,079 --> 01:14:34,800
who essentially is driving a commercial

1722
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,679
vehicle that really has no place in a

1723
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:40,480
residential uh neighborhood.

1724
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,440
uh that that's where we are concerned

1725
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:47,360
because that just adds unnecessary cost

1726
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,280
to the new homeowners which is contrary

1727
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,280
to just about every objective this

1728
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,360
council and this provincial government

1729
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:59,199
has with respect to housing.

1730
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:00,950
>> So you're saying that commercial

1731
01:15:00,950 --> 01:15:00,960
» So you're saying that commercial

1732
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,360
vehicles don't belong in neighborhood

1733
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,679
driveways? So, so the small business

1734
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:08,320
owner that may have a commercial

1735
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,440
vehicle, they can't they shouldn't be

1736
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,119
parking it in their driveway.

1737
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:17,830
>> Again, um most commercial vehicles that

1738
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:17,840
» Again, um most commercial vehicles that

1739
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:22,320
are uh reasonably used in a uh and

1740
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,000
needed to be parked in a residential

1741
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,639
plan of subdivision can be accommodated

1742
01:15:26,639 --> 01:15:30,960
within a 6 m driveway. you're only into

1743
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,520
the larger, you know, what you would

1744
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,599
call superduty

1745
01:15:35,599 --> 01:15:39,599
uh type commercial vehicles that

1746
01:15:39,599 --> 01:15:42,320
typically in our experience those

1747
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,360
vehicles remain in the business yards

1748
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,159
and employees don't take them home. uh

1749
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:52,400
where they do again uh in situations

1750
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,760
like that, those very few individuals

1751
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,159
can negotiate with their individual

1752
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:01,440
builder a a larger driveway length to

1753
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,079
accommodate their need. But to impose

1754
01:16:04,079 --> 01:16:06,639
this across every new dwelling in

1755
01:16:06,639 --> 01:16:10,800
Cambridge, as I uh outlined in my pro in

1756
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,040
my presentation, not only does it impact

1757
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:15,520
the housing affordability on those lots,

1758
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:17,760
new lots going forward, it puts just

1759
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,880
about every existing single detached

1760
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,880
dwelling in Cambridge in a situation

1761
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,440
where those residents to do anything

1762
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,840
with their property need to come before

1763
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,199
a committee of adjustment and plead to

1764
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,399
do something and pay hundreds of dollars

1765
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:37,359
in fees and perhaps consulting fees to

1766
01:16:37,359 --> 01:16:39,599
assist them to do that. And we think

1767
01:16:39,599 --> 01:16:42,000
that's quite frankly wrong and we don't

1768
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,639
think it's the right direction to go.

1769
01:16:46,639 --> 01:16:48,950
>> Councelor Schwar,

1770
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:48,960
» Councelor Schwar,

1771
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,800
thank you Mayor Ligan and and thank you

1772
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,679
for your presentation. So, I just want

1773
01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:56,960
to get be clear. Your concern is not the

1774
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,679
amount of parking spots because uh a

1775
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,160
home can choose to have a double car

1776
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,559
garage and double parking. It's just the

1777
01:17:04,559 --> 01:17:05,439
length.

1778
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:06,070
>> Correct.

1779
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:06,080
» Correct.

1780
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,110
>> All right. Thank you.

1781
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:07,120
» All right. Thank you.

1782
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,950
>> The the length in front of the garage.

1783
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:08,960
» The the length in front of the garage.

1784
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,280
So, in in the vast majority of cases

1785
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,719
that we're talking about here, there

1786
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:14,639
would be a garage, which is the legal

1787
01:17:14,639 --> 01:17:16,479
parking space, and then there would be

1788
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,439
the driveway, which also can accommodate

1789
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,040
the parking of a vehicle. So, there's

1790
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,880
your two vehicles. If you have a double

1791
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,840
car garage, you have perhaps up to four

1792
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,040
vehicle parking.

1793
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,150
>> So, it's just the the

1794
01:17:28,150 --> 01:17:28,160
» So, it's just the the

1795
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,070
>> it's the length of the driveway in front

1796
01:17:30,070 --> 01:17:30,080
» it's the length of the driveway in front

1797
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:30,880
of the garage,

1798
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:31,750
>> right? Thank you.

1799
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:31,760
» right? Thank you.

1800
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,110
>> You're welcome,

1801
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:33,120
» You're welcome,

1802
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,030
>> Councelor Hamilton.

1803
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:35,040
» Councelor Hamilton.

1804
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,150
>> Thank you, Mayor. That getting through

1805
01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:36,160
» Thank you, Mayor. That getting through

1806
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:37,519
you. Thank you very much, Larry, for

1807
01:17:37,519 --> 01:17:39,679
presentation. Um, if I'm understanding

1808
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:40,800
you correctly, you're saying this is

1809
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,880
basically a trade-off between more space

1810
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:44,800
for the housing or more space for the

1811
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,000
parking. Are you familiar with or can

1812
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,359
you give us any other municipalities

1813
01:17:49,359 --> 01:17:51,679
that have made the parking length

1814
01:17:51,679 --> 01:17:53,519
standard at 8 m?

1815
01:17:53,519 --> 01:17:55,669
>> We're not aware of any to be honest uh

1816
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:55,679
» We're not aware of any to be honest uh

1817
01:17:55,679 --> 01:17:58,319
that require an 8 m driveway. Uh as I

1818
01:17:58,319 --> 01:18:00,800
said in my presentation, just about

1819
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,000
every uh situ municipal situation that

1820
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,960
we're aware of is a six standard 6 m

1821
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,760
driveway and it's also the norm in every

1822
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,319
municipality in Waterl region.

1823
01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:12,790
>> Thank you.

1824
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:12,800
» Thank you.

1825
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:13,910
>> You will.

1826
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:13,920
» You will.

1827
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,070
>> I see no more questions. Thank you.

1828
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:16,080
» I see no more questions. Thank you.

1829
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,910
>> Uh we're going to take just a quick

1830
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:17,920
» Uh we're going to take just a quick

1831
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,800
pause here to take uh they're waiting

1832
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,840
for me out here in the rotunda for just

1833
01:18:23,840 --> 01:21:12,230
a second and I'll be right back.

1834
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,840
So, next up is Valerie Cameron. Read

1835
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,240
25-034PG

1836
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,000
comprehensive zoning bylaw review.

1837
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,840
Welcome once again, Valerie.

1838
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,960
You have five minutes. Hello. Welcome

1839
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,359
back. And I do hope that you all have

1840
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:33,600
had some chance to have some recharge

1841
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,920
time after what I heard from the first

1842
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,560
part of this meeting. But I would also

1843
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,640
like to point out that I know that a lot

1844
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,800
of counselors

1845
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,160
behind the scenes have been working to

1846
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,200
look at this formbbased

1847
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,880
model

1848
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:53,439
more closely. And there's going to be

1849
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,200
pictures on the screen, but I'm really

1850
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,359
not going to refer to them when I'm

1851
01:21:57,359 --> 01:22:00,640
speaking. And the copy that you have

1852
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,240
been given is a longer format of what I

1853
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:06,160
am going to read because I'm just

1854
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,319
reading highlights because I know I'll

1855
01:22:08,319 --> 01:22:11,600
never get through the the whole thing.

1856
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,880
So, welcome back.

1857
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,560
We shouldn't meet like this all the

1858
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,760
time. Okay. And we're into my time, are

1859
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,359
we?

1860
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:23,359
Okay. During the December meeting,

1861
01:22:23,359 --> 01:22:25,439
councelor Adam Cooper suggested a

1862
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,160
compromise be developed. a hybrid model

1863
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,560
utilizing components of the current at

1864
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,680
15085 zoning bylaw with a formbbased

1865
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,399
model blending the both best parts of

1866
01:22:36,399 --> 01:22:38,960
both zoning bylaws together. The

1867
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,760
formbbased model in its current form

1868
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,560
relinquishes controls of council to act

1869
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,080
and the rights of residents to

1870
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,319
participate. Council needs to bring

1871
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:50,240
forward a motion to instruct planning

1872
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,880
staff how to proceed and what safeguard

1873
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,680
clauses need to be incorporated as both

1874
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:57,680
models are inadequate and require

1875
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,640
extensive extensive language revisions.

1876
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,040
With these revisions, the powers to act

1877
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,280
by our elected city officials would not

1878
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,520
be undermined, nor the rights of

1879
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,560
residents to engage in the process. We

1880
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,800
all know that developers, investors in

1881
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:16,000
the past and today

1882
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,680
continue to abuse our current

1883
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,040
regulations by applying to the OOLT.

1884
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,040
This is due to the loopholes in both of

1885
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,600
these zoning bylaws in the language and

1886
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,479
clauses used. These very loopholes bring

1887
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,560
about the bureaucracy that developers

1888
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,359
constantly criticize the city for. This

1889
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:35,680
is what impacts their bottom line. The

1890
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,399
OOLT has indicated this fact to the city

1891
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:40,720
on numerous occasions. while allowing

1892
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,439
developers, investors to bypass council

1893
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,240
decisions with these loopholes. This

1894
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,280
needs to stop. The inefficiencies that

1895
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,600
are present in formbbased zoning include

1896
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,880
but are not limited to council decision

1897
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,920
powers controls shifted to non-elected

1898
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:01,760
staff. Eliminates community residents

1899
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,840
the right to consult and engage within

1900
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,560
the housing process. Affordability,

1901
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,720
displacement of residents without equity

1902
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:11,359
and inclusion policies, lack of

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01:24:11,359 --> 01:24:14,000
architectural design diversity,

1904
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,000
gentrification, transforms

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01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,800
neighborhoods, allowing displacement of

1906
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,040
workingclass or economically challenged

1907
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:24,870
individuals.

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01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,640
Ignores land use impacts. Inflexible

1909
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,160
limited create limitations created when

1910
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,560
community needs change. Skilled

1911
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,399
specialized staff are essential,

1912
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:39,200
requiring expensive training, expensive

1913
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,319
to enforce, subjective and ineffective,

1914
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:45,040
allowing developers to dispute. These

1915
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:46,720
examples are only a fraction of the

1916
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,439
irregularities in the formbbased model.

1917
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,160
Note that I refer to formbbased zoning

1918
01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:55,840
as a model, a framework, a template to

1919
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,319
be revised and updated reflecting the

1920
01:24:58,319 --> 01:25:00,560
character, heritage, and vision of the

1921
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,880
residential neighborhoods. With the

1922
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,800
emerging of the hybrid model and the

1923
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,720
inclusion

1924
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,600
of firm concrete clauses, the loopholes

1925
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,640
that exist now will no longer be viable.

1926
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,200
Without these zoning clauses, our big

1927
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,319
lots will continue to be exploited. Some

1928
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:20,800
of these clauses need to be embedded in

1929
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,800
the laws included but are not limited to

1930
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,280
purpose and intent clause, permitted

1931
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,160
uses only clause, strict definition

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01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:35,760
clause, absolute density and unit caps.

1933
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,560
um height, variance and exception

1934
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,439
limits, prohibition, no delegation of

1935
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:47,030
zoning authority, anti-precy,

1936
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,479
enforcement and penalties.

1937
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,880
With these clauses incorporated into the

1938
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:55,439
hybrid model, adequate separation of

1939
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,840
powers will be established while

1940
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,760
supporting resident engagement in the

1941
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,000
process. Even with these preventive

1942
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,080
measures in place, our community can

1943
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,800
continue to develop and prosper while

1944
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,720
working within restrictive boundaries

1945
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,439
that current legislation has created. As

1946
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,840
our elected city leaders, a motion to

1947
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,319
approve this hybrid zoning model with

1948
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:19,200
supporting safeguard clauses embedded as

1949
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,760
is required. In doing so, planning staff

1950
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,000
will be able to continue to refine our

1951
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,359
residential established zoning bylaws as

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01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:30,000
an evolving document for the future.

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01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:31,680
This will produce the beginning of a

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01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,960
solid visionary residential zoning by

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01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,240
the law unique to our vibrant community.

1956
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,880
Others gravitate to clearly more work

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01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,040
needs to be done.

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01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,439
And that's it. Thank you. We're going to

1959
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,120
have to stop meeting like this.

1960
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,070
>> Yes, we should.

1961
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:50,080
» Yes, we should.

1962
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,190
>> Um, does anybody have any questions for

1963
01:26:53,190 --> 01:26:53,200
» Um, does anybody have any questions for

1964
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,479
Valerie this evening?

1965
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:58,389
>> So, you got all your points across

1966
01:26:58,389 --> 01:26:58,399
» So, you got all your points across

1967
01:26:58,399 --> 01:27:00,080
there, Valerie. Thank you.

1968
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:00,710
>> That it.

1969
01:27:00,710 --> 01:27:00,720
» That it.

1970
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:01,190
>> Yeah.

1971
01:27:01,190 --> 01:27:01,200
» Yeah.

1972
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:02,309
>> Okay.

1973
01:27:02,309 --> 01:27:02,319
» Okay.

1974
01:27:02,319 --> 01:27:03,349
>> Thank you.

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01:27:03,349 --> 01:27:03,359
» Thank you.

1976
01:27:03,359 --> 01:27:06,389
>> Next up is Martin Wis on the same uh

1977
01:27:06,389 --> 01:27:06,399
» Next up is Martin Wis on the same uh

1978
01:27:06,399 --> 01:27:09,200
topic, comprehensive zoning bylaw

1979
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:14,230
review. Welcome again, Martin.

1980
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:35,110
» Thank you.

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01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,960
Good evening, Mayor Leot counselors and

1982
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,640
all in attendance tonight. Thank you for

1983
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,720
hearing me. My sympathies go out to

1984
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,240
counselors Cooper and Kimson tonight.

1985
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,800
My name is Martin Wis. I live at 135

1986
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,600
West Cliff Way in Cambridge and our

1987
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,080
family has property on Shaun Hill. When

1988
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,080
the adjacent property was proposed for

1989
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,080
development, we were invited to a public

1990
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,880
hearing to have our say. This was only

1991
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,359
fair and we don't want to see that

1992
01:28:01,359 --> 01:28:03,200
opportunity taken away from our fellow

1993
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,240
citizens through the blanket reszoning

1994
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,040
that's proposed here. Rather, our

1995
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:10,800
experience says that neighbors should be

1996
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,800
informed and given their say much

1997
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,760
earlier than we were. The Shaun Hill

1998
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,200
proposal was discussed between the

1999
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,520
developer and planning staff for four

2000
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,280
years before we were invited to

2001
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,840
participate. We think that had we been

2002
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,240
consulted from the beginning,

2003
01:28:26,240 --> 01:28:28,000
that project might already have been

2004
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,200
built or might have been aborted in

2005
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,680
favor of a better plan and location. So

2006
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,760
the proposal before you would do away

2007
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,920
with neighbors input altogether

2008
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,000
supposedly because public input slows

2009
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,680
down development. We say no, that's not

2010
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,960
the tr that's not true. Keep the the

2011
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,120
keep the opportunity for public input.

2012
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,560
It will lead to better outcomes.

2013
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,479
On this slide, I want to emphasize my

2014
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,240
recommendation for a more gradual

2015
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:57,760
transition. I think there are some good

2016
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,080
things you're trying to do, but it's

2017
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,680
being done too fast and in the wrong

2018
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,910
way.

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01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,920
And on this slide, I want to emphasize

2020
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,280
that um adjacent property owners should

2021
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,680
be notified much earlier in the process.

2022
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,319
Now, I want to address the concern some

2023
01:29:18,319 --> 01:29:20,399
of you expressed back in December over

2024
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:22,720
possible loss of federal funding through

2025
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,439
the housing accelerator fund if this

2026
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,760
proposal does not pass.

2027
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,600
Also, some of you expressed concern that

2028
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,280
the province might come in with a heavy

2029
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,600
hand or the OOLT would override your

2030
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,200
decision.

2031
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,680
So, first of all, um, senior planner

2032
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,520
Brian Cooper told me that only 250,000

2033
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,040
of the 13.3 million relates to this

2034
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,040
particular initiative.

2035
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,720
Uh, you'll need to ask him or somebody

2036
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,760
for clarification. I would say if that's

2037
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,920
the case, it's a drop in the bucket.

2038
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,840
Now, in the worst case scenario, you're

2039
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,840
looking at 13.3 million could be lost.

2040
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,960
And I say it probably would not be

2041
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,040
forfeited if you can show that you did

2042
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,160
due diligence and exercised your powers

2043
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,560
in the best interests of your residents

2044
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,319
and came up with a better solution.

2045
01:30:14,319 --> 01:30:16,160
As for the OOLT, your defense your

2046
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,720
defense would be similar. a robust

2047
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,560
discussion here with with your your

2048
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,680
strong opinions on the record and then

2049
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,240
placed into the notice of decision in a

2050
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,800
written form is a strong defense. You

2051
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,240
have not always had that when you went

2052
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,720
to the OOLT

2053
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:36,640
in regard to knowing the will of the

2054
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,960
people.

2055
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,760
I suggest an even stronger case could be

2056
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,479
made by holding a referendum. That would

2057
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,720
strengthen your case in both situations

2058
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,240
and it shouldn't cost too much to do

2059
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,800
that this year with the upcoming

2060
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:57,030
election.

2061
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,960
In regard to the housing accelerator

2062
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,800
fund money, I did a quick calculation. I

2063
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,080
could be wrong. Somebody should check

2064
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,399
that number, but I think you have more

2065
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:07,600
than 120 million at risk. Forget about

2066
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,560
the 13 million.

2067
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,399
So I say to you in regard to housing

2068
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:14,800
accelerator fund, don't be afraid of the

2069
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,040
clawback.

2070
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,960
Fear the unreimbured costs.

2071
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,240
To further put things into perspective,

2072
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,040
and it's just a wild guess as to how

2073
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:28,720
much the uplift could be, but you could

2074
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:33,520
be talking a $6 billion market uplift

2075
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,240
if you pass this zoning. And I think

2076
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:38,880
that deserves a lot more consideration

2077
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:44,469
before it happens.

2078
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,520
What if you reject this proposal?

2079
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,200
You have the right. You're the elected

2080
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:53,590
council of Cambridge.

2081
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,120
Even Doug Ford is backpedaling

2082
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,840
on some things that he thought were

2083
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:05,670
important. He thought was important.

2084
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,080
And I actually think the money being

2085
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,240
thrown at the pro at the problem is part

2086
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:11,840
of the problem, but we'll talk about

2087
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:17,830
that another day.

2088
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,680
Um, the OOLT

2089
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,040
did not give deference to your decision

2090
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:28,880
on Preston Springs and they should have.

2091
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,200
You can hold them. You should make them

2092
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,550
do that.

2093
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,600
Um, I have more things to say.

2094
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,030
>> I'll give you I'll give you just a

2095
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:39,040
» I'll give you I'll give you just a

2096
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:40,399
couple more minutes. I know this is

2097
01:32:40,399 --> 01:32:41,680
extremely important. You've been

2098
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,399
delegating in front of us repeatedly on

2099
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:47,200
this issue. So, I'd like to give you

2100
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,200
like if you could sum up though, I'd

2101
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:50,080
appreciate it.

2102
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,510
>> Thank you. I appreciate it.

2103
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:53,520
» Thank you. I appreciate it.

2104
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,630
Um,

2105
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,479
I'm quoting Councelor Hamilton on the

2106
01:32:58,479 --> 01:32:59,840
screen. I don't really want to single

2107
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,040
him out, but he said some things on on

2108
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:07,439
the news that I that concerned me and I

2109
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:09,439
I really think it's important that this

2110
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,200
council remember they work for residents

2111
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,600
uh not the province, not the feds, not

2112
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,399
the region, and not for staff. And also

2113
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:20,800
the zoning bylaws are your strongest

2114
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,800
document. They are the most critical

2115
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:26,319
local document that that expresses the

2116
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:28,080
will of the people and how we want

2117
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,520
things done. The official plan is up

2118
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,790
there somewhere. Not the same priority.

2119
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,840
And briefly, I found a good quote from

2120
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,479
somebody you may know, Robert Layman, an

2121
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:45,120
urban planner. He reminds us that we

2122
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,120
need to plan with people, not for

2123
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,000
people. And I think some work is needed

2124
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,479
in that area.

2125
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:56,800
Finally, um, a referendum is a great

2126
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,190
idea. Thank you.

2127
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:02,560
» Thank you, Martin. Are there any

2128
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,120
questions?

2129
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,190
>> I see none. Thank you for delegating

2130
01:34:07,190 --> 01:34:07,200
» I see none. Thank you for delegating

2131
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,520
again.

2132
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,800
Next up is Debbie Fee, another regular

2133
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,280
delegated uh delegate on this particular

2134
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,280
item. Welcome, Debbie. You'll have five

2135
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,399
minutes. Um, mayor and members of

2136
01:34:20,399 --> 01:34:23,120
council, um, I'm going to focus a little

2137
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,680
more on process versus a lot of changes

2138
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:27,120
to the bylaw because that they've

2139
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,720
already been mentioned to you.

2140
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:29,920
Notifications to residents.

2141
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,270
>> Can you pull your mic down, Debbie,

2142
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:31,280
» Can you pull your mic down, Debbie,

2143
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,600
please?

2144
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,720
Notific. Is that okay? Okay.

2145
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:39,040
Notification to residents regarding a

2146
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,960
new build under this bylaw by posting a

2147
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:42,720
sign on the subject property and

2148
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,880
circulation of a noticed area. residents

2149
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:46,640
within a defined area is not part of

2150
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:49,520
this uh bylaw and or the process.

2151
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,520
Taxpayers and your constituents will not

2152
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,359
have the ability to express our concerns

2153
01:34:53,359 --> 01:34:55,840
on issues or issues to council members

2154
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,160
on construction of a property beside us,

2155
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:00,880
across the street, or down the road. The

2156
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:02,399
only way residents will know that a

2157
01:35:02,399 --> 01:35:04,240
property will be slated for some type of

2158
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,000
construction is when a bulldozer pulls

2159
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,160
up in front of the property. This is not

2160
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,680
satisfactory.

2161
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:11,200
This new practice has stripped your

2162
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:12,880
constituents of their ability to have a

2163
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:14,880
voice and undermines their judicial

2164
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,520
rights through a public process.

2165
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,520
Under the new bylaw, council has

2166
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,200
delegated its authority over to the

2167
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:22,800
chief planner to approve routine

2168
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,880
applications. This is supposed to

2169
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,960
accelerate the site plan and building

2170
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,439
permit approvals. As a result of this

2171
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,680
change, council will not receive reports

2172
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:35,120
to approve builds. This bylaw is a major

2173
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,319
change and the mis municipality does not

2174
01:35:38,319 --> 01:35:41,920
know if it is even going to work.

2175
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:44,000
Benchmark reports need to be put into

2176
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,479
place and sent to council perhaps every

2177
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,600
6 months. These reports are crucial as

2178
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,520
council will be informed and if any

2179
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,840
amendments need to be made to the bylaw

2180
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,240
if it is approved, they can be made in a

2181
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,840
timely manner. Since this um this bylaw

2182
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,720
affects construction of residential uses

2183
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,160
residential us units using water supply.

2184
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,160
Since the signing of the CHCA half

2185
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:11,200
agreement on January 31st, 2024, the

2186
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,439
region of Waterlue has announced a water

2187
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,240
a water supply crisis. As a draft zoning

2188
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:17,840
bylaw relates to residential

2189
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,840
construction which will impact water

2190
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:22,560
usage. And since we are also requesting

2191
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,399
certain amendments to the bylaw and the

2192
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:26,640
processes, it would seem appropriate to

2193
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,439
send a letter to CHC and request an

2194
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,479
extension of the deadline or andor until

2195
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,319
the city receives the reports from the

2196
01:36:34,319 --> 01:36:36,960
region on our water supply. This would

2197
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,399
be a reasonable ask of CHC under the

2198
01:36:40,399 --> 01:36:43,760
current circumstances. Water is life and

2199
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,040
this region is in a crisis.

2200
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,880
The following recommendations are

2201
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,439
respectfully proposed. Amend the bylaw

2202
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,600
and/or appropriate documents to include

2203
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,000
notification to residents by posting

2204
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,319
signs on an affected property slated for

2205
01:36:58,319 --> 01:37:00,960
construction and circulation by notice

2206
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,520
to area residents within a circ within a

2207
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:06,399
circulation area of 200 meters through a

2208
01:37:06,399 --> 01:37:08,640
public process. and that taxpayers and

2209
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:10,960
constituents have the ability to contact

2210
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,960
their war counselor and or come to

2211
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,760
council as a whole concerning any type

2212
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,399
of build through public process.

2213
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:20,800
Benchmark reports prepared every six

2214
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,040
months by staff on residential builds

2215
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,760
units in the city. The report to include

2216
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,640
builds by ward, street name, type of

2217
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:30,960
build, any issues and concerns

2218
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,280
encountered by staff, and pictures and

2219
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,640
images of the build.

2220
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,600
and a letter be sent to CHC requesting

2221
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,000
an extension of the half deadline date

2222
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,800
by perhaps six months and or until the

2223
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:46,800
city receives all necessary reports from

2224
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,840
the region of water on our current water

2225
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,720
supply crisis. The recommendations

2226
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:54,960
suggested are to improve the bylaw and

2227
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,680
the process as a whole. This bylaw

2228
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,840
affects our existing properties and

2229
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:02,479
homes and the investment we have made in

2230
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,319
our established residential

2231
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:07,040
neighborhoods over many years. The

2232
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,640
character and landscape of our

2233
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,760
neighborhoods will change forever.

2234
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,800
We are part of the process too and we

2235
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,439
are going to be the most impacted. But

2236
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,920
we are being ignored, shoved aside and

2237
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,960
we feel betrayed and we deserve better

2238
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,399
as taxpayers and your constituents. This

2239
01:38:26,399 --> 01:38:29,439
should not be an exercise solely to

2240
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,760
improve staff time to expedite building

2241
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:34,080
permits or completing the required

2242
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,479
number of units by specified dates and

2243
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,040
deadlines so they can be reflected on a

2244
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,920
chart. The bylaw gives more liberty and

2245
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,040
control to developers and builders. It

2246
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,200
also removes council's control on

2247
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,160
application approvals as proposed. It

2248
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,800
removes taxpayers ability to have a

2249
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,600
voice and come before council regarding

2250
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:58,160
our issues and concerns. And for the

2251
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,479
most part, all of these changes are

2252
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,880
being done so the municipality can

2253
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,840
receive money from CHC.

2254
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,640
Your constituents should never come

2255
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:10,800
before money.

2256
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,359
Thank you. If there's any questions, I'd

2257
01:39:13,359 --> 01:39:17,510
be happy to.

2258
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,720
» Are there any questions of Debbie?

2259
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:22,319
I see none. Thanks, Debbie.

2260
01:39:22,319 --> 01:39:23,910
>> Thank you.

2261
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:23,920
» Thank you.

2262
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,389
>> Next up is Crystal Mura on behalf of

2263
01:39:26,389 --> 01:39:26,399
» Next up is Crystal Mura on behalf of

2264
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:28,800
Cornerstone Association of Realtors. And

2265
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,720
this is on the same item, comprehensive

2266
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,960
zoning bylaw review, formbbased zoning

2267
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:34,479
bylaw. I don't think you've been before

2268
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,319
us before. Have you?

2269
01:39:36,319 --> 01:39:37,750
>> I haven't spoken before you. No.

2270
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:37,760
» I haven't spoken before you. No.

2271
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,190
>> No, I didn't think so. Welcome.

2272
01:39:39,190 --> 01:39:39,200
» No, I didn't think so. Welcome.

2273
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:40,070
>> It's my pleasure.

2274
01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:40,080
» It's my pleasure.

2275
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,270
>> Welcome.

2276
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:41,280
» Welcome.

2277
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:43,270
>> Good evening, Mayor Leget and esteemed

2278
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:43,280
» Good evening, Mayor Leget and esteemed

2279
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,359
members of city council. My name is

2280
01:39:45,359 --> 01:39:47,200
Crystal Moira and I'm here on behalf of

2281
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,439
Cornerstone Association of Realtors

2282
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,080
representing over 2500 dedicated

2283
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,120
professionals across the region.

2284
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:56,720
Firstly, I would like to commend the

2285
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,240
council's leadership in advancing

2286
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:01,120
Cambridge's new form-based zoning bylaw.

2287
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:02,800
Your commitment to modernizing the

2288
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,359
city's outdated zoning framework is a

2289
01:40:05,359 --> 01:40:07,280
crucial and commendable step towards

2290
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,040
addressing the housing crisis that

2291
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,840
continues to challenge our community. We

2292
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,760
fully support your efforts to increase

2293
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,160
housing options across the city,

2294
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:17,760
particularly the inclusion of more

2295
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,160
missing middle housing such as duplexes,

2296
01:40:20,160 --> 01:40:23,600
triplexes, and the missing middle.

2297
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,000
These gentle density solutions are

2298
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,680
essential for providing attainable

2299
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,920
family oriented housing options that

2300
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:32,240
benefit first time benefit firsttime

2301
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,680
home buyers, downsizing seniors, and

2302
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,560
working families alike. Missing Middle

2303
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,880
Housing helps bridge the significant gap

2304
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,560
between single family homes and

2305
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,640
high-rise apartments, offering the

2306
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:46,880
diverse housing choices our our growing

2307
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,920
community needs. A diverse and flexible

2308
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:51,439
housing market is crucial for

2309
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,439
stabilizing prices and promoting home

2310
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:56,240
ownership opportunities. By focusing on

2311
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:58,399
the physical form, scale, and design of

2312
01:40:58,399 --> 01:41:00,000
buildings rather than the restrictive

2313
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:02,160
housing types, Cambridge is poised to

2314
01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,080
effectively support the creation of the

2315
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,240
missing middle housing, fostering a more

2316
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,560
lucrative, inclusive, and vibrant

2317
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,120
community. While we broadly support the

2318
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,280
new bylaw, we do have concerns regarding

2319
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:15,120
the changes to parking space

2320
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,280
requirements. According to the staff

2321
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:18,960
report, the current driveway length of 6

2322
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,439
mters is adequate for most truck models

2323
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,760
and mod modifying this could necessitate

2324
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,080
minor variance applications when adding

2325
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,800
additional dwelling units. Furthermore,

2326
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,640
our members have not received feedback

2327
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,640
from clients indicating that driveway

2328
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,600
lengths are a pressing issue. Buyers

2329
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,000
prioritize affordability and change that

2330
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,760
complicate home design may hinder

2331
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,000
efforts to provide affordable housing

2332
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,359
options. In conclusion, we affirm our

2333
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:46,800
strong support for your continued

2334
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,720
efforts to modernize Cambridge's housing

2335
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,200
policies. Together, we can ensure that

2336
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,200
every family dreaming to call Cambridge

2337
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:55,920
home finds a place to belong. Thank you

2338
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,800
so much.

2339
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,309
>> Are there any questions of Crystal?

2340
01:42:02,309 --> 01:42:02,319
» Are there any questions of Crystal?

2341
01:42:02,319 --> 01:42:06,950
>> Councelor Schwar

2342
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:08,880
and thank you Crystal. I just have a

2343
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,880
question because you're in real estate.

2344
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,399
How many um of the home homeowners that

2345
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:16,080
have purchased homes in single

2346
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:18,720
residential areas? Because currently

2347
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,479
right now you're allowed according to

2348
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,800
the planning act single home, semi-

2349
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,600
detached, triplex, three units. So this

2350
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:29,040
form bay zoning is is changing the three

2351
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,760
units to three stories unlimited base

2352
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,399
units. You can have a sixplex, 9plex and

2353
01:42:34,399 --> 01:42:36,880
in a beautiful subdivision. How many of

2354
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,960
your clients would really like that?

2355
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:40,880
Have you is this something from the real

2356
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:42,960
estate or is this something feedback

2357
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:44,960
from the general public that buy the

2358
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:49,110
homes?

2359
01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:50,560
» It's a double-edged sword to some

2360
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:52,720
degree. However, we believe that housing

2361
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:54,960
is a necessity and everybody should have

2362
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:57,760
access to it and to put barriers in that

2363
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:02,000
in way of it um is unfortunately

2364
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,640
something that we need to address.

2365
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:07,429
>> Okay. So, it's your the opinion, not

2366
01:43:07,429 --> 01:43:07,439
» Okay. So, it's your the opinion, not

2367
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:09,680
residents. Basically,

2368
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:11,190
>> I can't speak for all right

2369
01:43:11,190 --> 01:43:11,200
» I can't speak for all right

2370
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:12,950
>> the community at large in that respect.

2371
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:12,960
» the community at large in that respect.

2372
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,000
No, I'm sorry.

2373
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:19,110
>> Thank you.

2374
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,960
» Um Crystal, I have a question because

2375
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,280
you talked about the 6 meter versus the

2376
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,760
the um

2377
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,439
8 meter. Are you aware that the parking

2378
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:32,479
situation and these new neighborhoods

2379
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,800
where all these new housing is is the

2380
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:36,880
bane of our existence? It is the biggest

2381
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,680
problem we have currently

2382
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,349
>> and I think it we really came to the

2383
01:43:41,349 --> 01:43:41,359
» and I think it we really came to the

2384
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:43,279
forefront during all the snow that we're

2385
01:43:43,279 --> 01:43:44,479
having.

2386
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,710
>> We have multiple people living in houses

2387
01:43:46,710 --> 01:43:46,720
» We have multiple people living in houses

2388
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,200
now with not enough parking in their

2389
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:51,279
driveways, not enough parking on the

2390
01:43:51,279 --> 01:43:54,160
streets, people getting tickets. We get

2391
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:55,680
constant emails. You're not aware of

2392
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:56,720
that?

2393
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,510
>> Oh, I'm aware of these issues that have

2394
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:59,520
» Oh, I'm aware of these issues that have

2395
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,760
happened. However, I don't believe

2396
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:04,080
adding 2 meters is going to resolve the

2397
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,640
issue at large. I think there's more

2398
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:10,160
considerations that need to be uh

2399
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:12,479
investigated to find a reasonable

2400
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,910
solution.

2401
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:19,359
So, would you be able to tell us what

2402
01:44:19,359 --> 01:44:21,279
some of those solution I mean you're

2403
01:44:21,279 --> 01:44:22,960
saying we need to find solutions. So,

2404
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,520
one of our solutions was to do that.

2405
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,080
Have you thought about any solutions for

2406
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:35,030
us that would be helpful to us?

2407
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,080
» I suppose there are

2408
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:39,840
situations where people widen their

2409
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,960
driveway via paving stones, which is

2410
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,960
something they can't cut curbs, but they

2411
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:48,319
find ways to ex uh widen their

2412
01:44:48,319 --> 01:44:51,680
driveways. um this is something that

2413
01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,479
they can choose to do after the fact if

2414
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,640
the ne if the need is necess is a

2415
01:44:56,640 --> 01:45:00,080
necessity. Um

2416
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,640
lengthening the driveways as Larry had

2417
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:07,359
um shared really does impact the the

2418
01:45:07,359 --> 01:45:10,479
building process and as well impacts the

2419
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:14,000
budget via the variance um requests that

2420
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,240
would be need to be made.

2421
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:17,760
Okay, just to follow and then I'm going

2422
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,000
to go to councelor Divine. So, you're

2423
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,680
saying to widen the driveway. So, you're

2424
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:23,680
saying we should require the minimum

2425
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,479
width of the of of a of a lot to be

2426
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,319
widened in order to accommodate that

2427
01:45:28,319 --> 01:45:32,640
versus lengthening the driveway.

2428
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,349
>> I not necessarily not necessarily the

2429
01:45:35,349 --> 01:45:35,359
» I not necessarily not necessarily the

2430
01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:40,240
lot in a as a whole, the driveway.

2431
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:43,510
>> Okay. Thank you, councelor Dubine.

2432
01:45:43,510 --> 01:45:43,520
» Okay. Thank you, councelor Dubine.

2433
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:47,429
>> Yes. Thank you to the chair. Um,

2434
01:45:47,429 --> 01:45:47,439
» Yes. Thank you to the chair. Um,

2435
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:49,040
what's the length of an extended cab

2436
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,080
pickup?

2437
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,469
>> Do we know?

2438
01:45:52,469 --> 01:45:52,479
» Do we know?

2439
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:54,630
>> Off hand, I don't recall, but I believe

2440
01:45:54,630 --> 01:45:54,640
» Off hand, I don't recall, but I believe

2441
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,960
it's 18 to 20 ft.

2442
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:57,830
>> 20 ft.

2443
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:57,840
» 20 ft.

2444
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,349
>> Mhm.

2445
01:45:59,349 --> 01:45:59,359
» Mhm.

2446
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:01,349
>> We have a lot of people out there that

2447
01:46:01,349 --> 01:46:01,359
» We have a lot of people out there that

2448
01:46:01,359 --> 01:46:04,080
are starting businesses.

2449
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,880
All right. Um, young couples that

2450
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,000
and that's their mode of transportation.

2451
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:13,600
All right.

2452
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,640
And be honest with you, uh, we don't

2453
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,319
want to detract those people from

2454
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:21,200
starting those businesses. Um, and I

2455
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,040
think it's I just heard it's 20 ft. I

2456
01:46:23,040 --> 01:46:24,560
think it's over 20 ft. It's about 21 and

2457
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,760
a half, I think. All right. So, I have

2458
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,240
no problem with the the driveways at 8 m

2459
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,640
to be honest with you. I really don't.

2460
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,120
Um, and the homes can be designed around

2461
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:36,720
that.

2462
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:39,359
And you know, we got to we got to get in

2463
01:46:39,359 --> 01:46:42,800
the the real world where there's a lot

2464
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,279
of homebased businesses now. There's a

2465
01:46:45,279 --> 01:46:46,240
lot of people, whether it be

2466
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:49,040
electricians, plumbers, whatever, that

2467
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,279
uh work out of their home and

2468
01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:53,840
consequently work out of their truck. So

2469
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,000
I don't I don't think by going back to

2470
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:59,040
six meters is an answer. Be honest with

2471
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,269
>> Do you have a secondary question,

2472
01:47:01,269 --> 01:47:01,279
» Do you have a secondary question,

2473
01:47:01,279 --> 01:47:01,840
counselor?

2474
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:02,790
>> No, that was it. That was just a

2475
01:47:02,790 --> 01:47:02,800
» No, that was it. That was just a

2476
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:03,359
comment.

2477
01:47:03,359 --> 01:47:04,710
>> Okay. Thank you.

2478
01:47:04,710 --> 01:47:04,720
» Okay. Thank you.

2479
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:08,710
>> Thank you, Crystal.

2480
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:12,160
Next up is Melissa Dele regarding the

2481
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:15,200
ion stage one reimbursement.

2482
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:16,560
Melissa, I don't think you've appeared

2483
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:17,600
before us either.

2484
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:19,590
>> No, I have not. This is my first time

2485
01:47:19,590 --> 01:47:19,600
» No, I have not. This is my first time

2486
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:20,960
being in front of council.

2487
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:22,469
>> Well, welcome. And you'll have five

2488
01:47:22,469 --> 01:47:22,479
» Well, welcome. And you'll have five

2489
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:22,960
minutes.

2490
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,429
>> Thank you. So, mayor, members of

2491
01:47:25,429 --> 01:47:25,439
» Thank you. So, mayor, members of

2492
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:27,840
council, staff, good evening. Before I

2493
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,640
begin, I did want to acknowledge the

2494
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:32,000
earlier discussion on council

2495
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,720
compensation. The time, complexity, and

2496
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,560
responsibility involved in municipal

2497
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,960
governance is substantial,

2498
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:40,720
and I appreciate the work council

2499
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:44,479
members do in service of our community.

2500
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:46,960
I'll proceed. I'm speaking as a

2501
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:48,960
concerned Cambridge resident. I'm here

2502
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,040
to speak in opposition to the

2503
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,120
proposition or to the proposed motion of

2504
01:47:53,120 --> 01:47:56,080
IO on stage 1 reimbursement. I oppose

2505
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:57,920
the motion because it undermines

2506
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,640
democratic decision-making. In effect,

2507
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,560
it's anti-democratic.

2508
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,600
The ION project has gone through years

2509
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,000
of regional planning, multiple business

2510
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,520
cases, environmental assessment, funding

2511
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:13,680
strategies, and public consultation and

2512
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:15,600
surveys.

2513
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:17,760
These decisions were made democratically

2514
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:19,680
in public by elected representatives

2515
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:21,520
across the region, including

2516
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,240
representatives from Cambridge.

2517
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:26,399
Disagreeing with the pace or the cost

2518
01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:29,680
does not undo those decisions. What

2519
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:31,600
concerns me about the motion is not that

2520
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,359
it raises questions. Questions are

2521
01:48:33,359 --> 01:48:35,200
healthy and a part of democratic

2522
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:38,399
society, but that it takes up public

2523
01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:40,720
time and attention by attempting to

2524
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:43,279
relitigate settled regional policy is a

2525
01:48:43,279 --> 01:48:45,680
grievance.

2526
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:47,920
Regional transit is by definition

2527
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,319
regional. Cambridge residents contribute

2528
01:48:50,319 --> 01:48:51,840
to infrastructure we not may not

2529
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,479
personally use every day. that is the

2530
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,800
social contract and municip of municipal

2531
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,840
and regional government in Canada. We do

2532
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,960
not ask for our taxes back because we

2533
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:05,359
don't have children in public school or

2534
01:49:05,359 --> 01:49:07,279
because we don't use specific regional

2535
01:49:07,279 --> 01:49:09,680
health services or because a road

2536
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:11,680
upgrade happens on a street we never

2537
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,319
drive on. Treating regional taxation as

2538
01:49:14,319 --> 01:49:17,279
a peruse system sets a troubling

2539
01:49:17,279 --> 01:49:20,000
precedent. What frustrates me the most

2540
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,880
is the opportunity cost of this motion.

2541
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,120
When motions suggest residents can get

2542
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:28,000
their money back, quote, they risk

2543
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:31,520
misleading the public and losing trust.

2544
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:33,279
There is no authority for the

2545
01:49:33,279 --> 01:49:35,279
retroactive reimbursement of regional

2546
01:49:35,279 --> 01:49:38,399
taxes. This council and our community is

2547
01:49:38,399 --> 01:49:41,680
facing real urgent issues.

2548
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,080
Housing affordability, infrastructure

2549
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,720
maintenance, climate resilience, transit

2550
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,960
reliability within Cambridge, and the

2551
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,880
cost of living pressures residents are

2552
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:52,640
feeling every day.

2553
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:54,720
Instead of focusing limited time and

2554
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:56,399
energy

2555
01:49:56,399 --> 01:49:58,640
on those challenges, we're debating a

2556
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,960
reimbursement proposal that staff and

2557
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,880
the region cannot realistically or

2558
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,760
legally implement. Finally, I want to

2559
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,160
say this respectfully. Every member of

2560
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:09,760
this council is privileged enough to

2561
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,720
have stable housing and a platform. Many

2562
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:14,880
Cambridge residents do not. They need

2563
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,800
leadership that looks forward, not

2564
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:19,359
backwards. leadership that works within

2565
01:50:19,359 --> 01:50:21,840
decisions already democratically made

2566
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,760
regardless of personal positions to

2567
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,439
achieve the best possible outcome for

2568
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,000
our region, our city, and the people who

2569
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:31,279
live here. I urge council to reject the

2570
01:50:31,279 --> 01:50:33,200
motion and refocus on advocating

2571
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:39,750
constructively for Cambridge. Thank you.

2572
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:43,520
Um I ask for questions. Uh I'm not

2573
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:44,960
seeing anywhere in this motion where

2574
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:47,600
it's saying to stop the LRT make a

2575
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,120
decision to go backwards or anything.

2576
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:49,439
This

2577
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,230
>> it was about the taxation reimbursing

2578
01:50:52,230 --> 01:50:52,240
» it was about the taxation reimbursing

2579
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,760
citizens for taxation.

2580
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:55,190
>> I hadn't finished. Hang on a second.

2581
01:50:55,190 --> 01:50:55,200
» I hadn't finished. Hang on a second.

2582
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:55,750
>> Okay.

2583
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:55,760
» Okay.

2584
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:57,670
>> Um but there's nothing in this motion

2585
01:50:57,670 --> 01:50:57,680
» Um but there's nothing in this motion

2586
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:02,560
that talks about um stopping the LRT to

2587
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,760
Cambridge.

2588
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:05,429
>> Okay. I just wanted to clarify that.

2589
01:51:05,429 --> 01:51:05,439
» Okay. I just wanted to clarify that.

2590
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:08,800
Okay. Any questions?

2591
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:16,870
I see none. Thank you.

2592
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,640
Okay, I lost my place. Sorry, I've just

2593
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:26,710
lost my place here for a second.

2594
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,760
N found it again. Uh, next up is Ibraham

2595
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,439
Tahir on the uh comprehensive zoning

2596
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:36,640
bylaw review formbbased zoning.

2597
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:39,520
Welcome. You'll have five minutes.

2598
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:42,630
>> Okay.

2599
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,800
» Hi there. Good evening, council. My name

2600
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,840
is Ibrahim. I'm 29 years old and I'm a

2601
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,760
lifelong resident of Cambridge in the

2602
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,319
South G area. I'm here today to give my

2603
01:51:52,319 --> 01:51:53,680
support to a change in our zoning

2604
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,000
bylaws. I became interested in this

2605
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,000
issue the same way many Canadians my age

2606
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,600
have. They're looking for solutions to

2607
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,600
the housing crisis. It's been top of

2608
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,439
mind for for us in the last few

2609
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,439
elections in the country. Every

2610
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,359
publication and politician across the

2611
01:52:07,359 --> 01:52:09,040
board has had to reckon with the fact

2612
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,120
that for decades our population has been

2613
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:12,640
going up and we have simply not been

2614
01:52:12,640 --> 01:52:14,720
building enough homes to keep up that

2615
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,600
we're beginning to try now. Um the

2616
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,439
government of Ontario for its part has

2617
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:21,359
set up an online tracker for housing

2618
01:52:21,359 --> 01:52:23,359
supply progress. So I took a look at it

2619
01:52:23,359 --> 01:52:25,200
and I found that Cambridge isn't even

2620
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,760
close to its targets. This problem is

2621
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:29,600
less evenly distributed for people who

2622
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,200
own land and homes. If you're a

2623
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:32,960
homeowner, you have seen rising property

2624
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:34,960
values and insulation from housing

2625
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,279
instability. Yes, homelessness is

2626
01:52:37,279 --> 01:52:38,800
increasing with fewer homes to go

2627
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:41,200
around, but a home a homeowner may not

2628
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:42,560
feel the effects of that quite as

2629
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,200
acutely. My generation, however, will

2630
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:47,359
have to bear the costs the brunt of the

2631
01:52:47,359 --> 01:52:50,000
cost of the shortage. In my personal

2632
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,920
experience reading about housing, pretty

2633
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,920
much any expert or serious study affirms

2634
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:55,600
that current exclusionary zoning laws

2635
01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:57,840
are far too restrictive. Some kind of

2636
01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,920
missing middle needs to be built. I

2637
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:01,359
personally think a form-based zoning

2638
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:03,279
framework is a reasonable and measured

2639
01:53:03,279 --> 01:53:04,800
solution to allowing more types of

2640
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:06,640
housing while still not letting

2641
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:09,200
developers build whatever they want. It

2642
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:10,479
it still has clear and defined

2643
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:12,160
guidelines, but it's just a little more

2644
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,399
permissive than before. Far from a

2645
01:53:14,399 --> 01:53:16,479
radical departure, this is exactly the

2646
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:17,920
approach to take if one wants to

2647
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:19,279
increase density while preserving

2648
01:53:19,279 --> 01:53:21,840
neighborhood character. I can sympathize

2649
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,520
with some reluctance to change. For

2650
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,200
someone who owns a house to be primarily

2651
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:26,560
concerned about things like aesthetics

2652
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,240
and neighborhood character is

2653
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,560
understandable. These are important and

2654
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,120
worthy considerations. I just ask is

2655
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,520
this a crisis or not? And if it is, will

2656
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,520
Cambridge be part of the solution?

2657
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,040
Perhaps that isn't a priority for some

2658
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:40,960
residents. Perhaps that is something for

2659
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:42,960
other cities like Kitchener and Waterl

2660
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:45,840
to handle, both of which have met their

2661
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,399
uh their housing targets. But the answer

2662
01:53:48,399 --> 01:53:50,399
cannot be to just keep the 40-year-old

2663
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:52,960
standards. I do think concerns over any

2664
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,640
house in any neighborhood being knocked

2665
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,279
down to build a multiplex are valid, but

2666
01:53:57,279 --> 01:53:59,040
those are things that can be addressed

2667
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:01,359
in the implementation of new bylaws

2668
01:54:01,359 --> 01:54:03,200
rather than rejecting the idea of any

2669
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,279
change to the status quo wholesale.

2670
01:54:05,279 --> 01:54:07,120
Controlling things like that are what

2671
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:09,760
zoning is for, and this is still zoning.

2672
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:11,279
I don't want to approach this as an

2673
01:54:11,279 --> 01:54:12,880
ideologue of any kind. It's just what

2674
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,720
I've read. If we can at least agree on

2675
01:54:14,720 --> 01:54:16,640
the need to build housing, it's fine to

2676
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:18,880
disagree on the process. If there's a

2677
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:20,640
workable, economically sound, and

2678
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:23,120
evidence evidence-based alternative, I'm

2679
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:25,200
absolutely eager to hear it. My concern

2680
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,040
with the current system, though, is the

2681
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:29,520
asymmetry. If an existing property owner

2682
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,520
wants to say no, it gives them greater

2683
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,520
power and incentive to try to do that

2684
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,000
than prospective residents to say yes.

2685
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,840
This feels like a pretty unproductive

2686
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,640
mechanism to me. I do understand the

2687
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:43,279
inclination towards localized consent. I

2688
01:54:43,279 --> 01:54:44,880
just want to assert that it is a

2689
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,279
substantive policy choice that you make.

2690
01:54:47,279 --> 01:54:49,520
It allows a smaller group like a single

2691
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,359
neighborhood to make decisions that

2692
01:54:51,359 --> 01:54:53,680
affect the entire city's housing supply,

2693
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:55,359
shifting the costs onto those with fewer

2694
01:54:55,359 --> 01:54:58,720
resources and the next generation. It

2695
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:00,640
gives veto power essentially to those

2696
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:03,520
who arrived first. All public policy

2697
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:05,600
comes with trade-offs. We usually accept

2698
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,600
that decisions with uneven impacts are

2699
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:09,920
made at the societal level rather than

2700
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,080
just by those immediately affected. We

2701
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,560
wouldn't, for example, give a particular

2702
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:17,520
income group a veto before adjusting tax

2703
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,920
policy for their bracket. With housing

2704
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:22,319
scarcity, the benefits acrew locally,

2705
01:55:22,319 --> 01:55:24,720
but the costs affect the whole city. If

2706
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,240
that is your priority, I would want to

2707
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:27,840
know what other plans council has put

2708
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:29,439
forth for delivering the required

2709
01:55:29,439 --> 01:55:31,520
housing. I think a more democratic

2710
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,760
solution is for council to set clear and

2711
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,840
updated guidelines. After all, it's the

2712
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:37,439
residents of Cambridge who voted council

2713
01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:40,240
in to make these decisions. I found out

2714
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:42,080
about this proposed bylaw change when

2715
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:43,840
researching why more housing is not

2716
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,000
being built. I found a local news item

2717
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,240
that explicitly cited local builders and

2718
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:49,600
developers saying that they want to

2719
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:50,960
build housing in Cambridge, but they

2720
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:52,640
can't because of current laws. They

2721
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:54,560
attempt to build housing, bylaws halt

2722
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,319
them, and then they go to the Ontario

2723
01:55:56,319 --> 01:55:57,840
Land Tribunal to try to plead their

2724
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,000
case. This doesn't seem like a system

2725
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,080
that is working for housing or even for

2726
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,680
local protection. But with public

2727
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,000
participation in a new framework, people

2728
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,000
might at least know what to expect, and

2729
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,439
it may reduce the incentive for

2730
01:56:09,439 --> 01:56:11,760
developers to appeal in the first place.

2731
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:13,359
I think it would be a mistake to let

2732
01:56:13,359 --> 01:56:15,359
surmountable obstacles prevent action on

2733
01:56:15,359 --> 01:56:17,040
an issue every municipality needs to

2734
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,279
play its part in. We can retain our

2735
01:56:19,279 --> 01:56:21,279
identity while building enough to

2736
01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:23,120
accommodate those who want to live here.

2737
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,359
I just ultimately ask council to give

2738
01:56:25,359 --> 01:56:27,279
those without a seat at the table a

2739
01:56:27,279 --> 01:56:29,359
chance. uh thanks for engaging with me

2740
01:56:29,359 --> 01:56:31,200
on this issue and for considering the

2741
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:34,800
long-term future of the city.

2742
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,030
>> Ibrahim, I I want to thank you for

2743
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:37,040
» Ibrahim, I I want to thank you for

2744
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:39,200
coming and uh delegating. You're

2745
01:56:39,200 --> 01:56:40,479
extremely well spoken, very

2746
01:56:40,479 --> 01:56:42,640
knowledgeable. I just want to I just

2747
01:56:42,640 --> 01:56:44,720
want to fix some misconception that you

2748
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,720
seem to have. You say we haven't met our

2749
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:48,880
targets because developers are saying

2750
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,640
that that's too difficult and whatever.

2751
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:55,279
There are over 5,000

2752
01:56:55,279 --> 01:56:58,479
units that we have approved that would

2753
01:56:58,479 --> 01:57:00,720
we would be meeting our targets if the

2754
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:02,240
developers would put the shovel in the

2755
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:04,399
grounds. So with the building faster

2756
01:57:04,399 --> 01:57:07,680
fund, it's not based on how many permits

2757
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:09,920
we give, but how many units the

2758
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,840
developers have shovels in the ground

2759
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,720
on. So it's not on us. It's not us.

2760
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:16,479
We're doing our job, but our staff is

2761
01:57:16,479 --> 01:57:19,359
doing an amazing job. So I just need to

2762
01:57:19,359 --> 01:57:22,560
change that. what you said that that's

2763
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:24,160
that's not correct. The statement that

2764
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:26,560
you had said it's not us. Developers

2765
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:28,960
will say things all the time, but they

2766
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:32,319
have uh reasons for why they don't um

2767
01:57:32,319 --> 01:57:34,640
build houses, but it's not because we're

2768
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:37,439
not giving them the right to build. We

2769
01:57:37,439 --> 01:57:40,960
are uh any questions?

2770
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:42,800
I see none. Thank you.

2771
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:44,389
>> I'd like to see you back again.

2772
01:57:44,389 --> 01:57:44,399
» I'd like to see you back again.

2773
01:57:44,399 --> 01:57:49,269
>> Sure. Sure thing.

2774
01:57:49,279 --> 01:57:51,600
So, next we have no more people in the

2775
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:53,520
audience to speak. Uh, but we do have

2776
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:55,680
somebody online waiting to come in.

2777
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:57,920
Alyssa Hernick.

2778
01:57:57,920 --> 01:57:58,950
>> She's in

2779
01:57:58,950 --> 01:57:58,960
» She's in

2780
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:04,389
>> Oh, sorry. She's in the waiting room.

2781
01:58:04,389 --> 01:58:04,399
» Oh, sorry. She's in the waiting room.

2782
01:58:04,399 --> 01:58:07,349
>> Oh, there you are, Melissa.

2783
01:58:07,349 --> 01:58:07,359
» Oh, there you are, Melissa.

2784
01:58:07,359 --> 01:58:10,399
Welcome. And you are speaking on behalf

2785
01:58:10,399 --> 01:58:12,080
of the Northwest Community Builders,

2786
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,479
Inc. on that's the same thing as

2787
01:58:14,479 --> 01:58:17,279
comprehensive zoning bylaw review.

2788
01:58:17,279 --> 01:58:18,960
That is correct.

2789
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,870
>> Go ahead. You'll have five minutes.

2790
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:20,880
» Go ahead. You'll have five minutes.

2791
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:22,389
>> Good evening. Thank you, mayor, members

2792
01:58:22,389 --> 01:58:22,399
» Good evening. Thank you, mayor, members

2793
01:58:22,399 --> 01:58:23,600
of council. Thank you for the

2794
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:25,920
opportunity to speak tonight um on this

2795
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:27,680
popular topic, the comprehensive zoning

2796
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:30,000
bylaw. Um yes, my name is Alyssa

2797
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,640
Herrenic. I am a registered professional

2798
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:34,160
planner with the firm Malone Given

2799
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:36,640
Parsons. Uh we are the planners and the

2800
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:38,319
urban designers for the Northwest

2801
01:58:38,319 --> 01:58:40,960
Heslers Community Builders. Um and

2802
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,319
that's who I'm speaking on behalf

2803
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:44,640
tonight. Uh the Northwest Hesplers

2804
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:46,479
Community Builders Group is composed of

2805
01:58:46,479 --> 01:58:48,720
established community and homebuilders

2806
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,680
um that represent about 80% of the lands

2807
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:53,920
in an area we call the northwest Hespler

2808
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:55,760
secondary plan area. This area is

2809
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,600
generally north of Maple Grove Road uh

2810
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:02,240
north west of Hespa Road and east of

2811
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:04,640
Beaverdale Road. So, back in December,

2812
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,479
we submitted an official plan amendment

2813
01:59:06,479 --> 01:59:08,800
application to bring these lands into

2814
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,359
the city's urban area um consistent with

2815
01:59:11,359 --> 01:59:13,920
the region's uh community area and to

2816
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,479
establish um a detailed land use

2817
01:59:16,479 --> 01:59:18,319
framework to guide development through a

2818
01:59:18,319 --> 01:59:20,880
secondary plan. Um that application is

2819
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:23,120
currently under review with the city. Um

2820
01:59:23,120 --> 01:59:25,200
in this context, I'm offering comments

2821
01:59:25,200 --> 01:59:26,880
on tonight's zoning bylaw. I think

2822
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,960
you've heard a lot of great comments. Um

2823
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:32,080
and we generally want to um express our

2824
01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:34,399
support for the deferral of the land

2825
01:59:34,399 --> 01:59:36,880
subject to um the Northwest Hesler

2826
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,439
secondary plan area. Um I think that's a

2827
01:59:39,439 --> 01:59:42,399
great first um approach, but we do offer

2828
01:59:42,399 --> 01:59:43,760
some comments I think for your

2829
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:47,359
consideration and cons and concerns. Um

2830
01:59:47,359 --> 01:59:49,600
so we are overall supportive of a

2831
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,600
formbbased zoning approach. We think

2832
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:54,319
that's the right u next step um in

2833
01:59:54,319 --> 01:59:57,120
moving towards as others have mentioned

2834
01:59:57,120 --> 02:00:00,720
um a more conducive environment for um

2835
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:03,760
flexibility and supportive housing and

2836
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:07,359
increasing our housing supply. Um, I

2837
02:00:07,359 --> 02:00:09,920
have so I think my details um and our

2838
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:11,520
concerns are outlined in our letter and

2839
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:12,960
I'm not going to go into each of one of

2840
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,840
those, but I think generally what we are

2841
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:17,439
finding and maybe what you're hearing

2842
02:00:17,439 --> 02:00:20,560
tonight is that

2843
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,120
you have three zones before you and

2844
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:25,600
maybe they're trying to pigeon hole um a

2845
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:27,840
multitude of issues. some that you would

2846
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,840
experience in more contemporary new

2847
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:31,439
communities and some that you would

2848
02:00:31,439 --> 02:00:33,920
experience in um traditional

2849
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:35,439
neighborhoods that are experiencing

2850
02:00:35,439 --> 02:00:37,600
infill and intensification.

2851
02:00:37,600 --> 02:00:39,760
So there might need to be um a

2852
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:42,880
consideration and a few more zones to

2853
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:45,359
consider sort of the differences and

2854
02:00:45,359 --> 02:00:47,760
issues that come up with these quite

2855
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:50,160
different forms. um you'll actually find

2856
02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:52,080
newer neighborhoods are generally much

2857
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:55,279
more dense um have different housing

2858
02:00:55,279 --> 02:00:57,920
types and development forms than some of

2859
02:00:57,920 --> 02:00:59,439
the more traditional neighborhoods. And

2860
02:00:59,439 --> 02:01:00,640
so I think that's where you're having

2861
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:02,319
some of these inconsistencies and some

2862
02:01:02,319 --> 02:01:05,120
of these concerns with three blanket

2863
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:07,359
zone standards. I think the zone

2864
02:01:07,359 --> 02:01:08,640
standards are great and that they

2865
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:10,880
provide flexibility and type, but I

2866
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:12,720
think we need to look um maybe more

2867
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:15,279
particularly at some of the particular

2868
02:01:15,279 --> 02:01:17,680
um standards in each of those. So, we

2869
02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:19,279
our letter just outlines some of those

2870
02:01:19,279 --> 02:01:21,040
concerns. Um, we're just asking council

2871
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,120
to consider that, maybe have staff come

2872
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:25,040
back and take a look at ways we could

2873
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:26,720
tweak the bylaw. I think the bylaw is

2874
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:29,200
really close. We really commend staff's

2875
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:31,200
efforts to date. Um, it's a lot of work.

2876
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:32,560
It's in the going in the right

2877
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:35,200
direction. Um, maybe there's a

2878
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:38,319
subsequent phase that looks at uh zones

2879
02:01:38,319 --> 02:01:40,080
more appropriate for new communities.

2880
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:41,760
you know, these communities are quite

2881
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:44,800
different from the uh issues and the

2882
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:46,560
forums and the design principles that we

2883
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:48,479
experience in traditional communities.

2884
02:01:48,479 --> 02:01:50,399
So, I thank you for your time tonight.

2885
02:01:50,399 --> 02:01:52,160
Um, if you have questions or any other

2886
02:01:52,160 --> 02:01:53,520
comments that you would like to make,

2887
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:57,359
I'm available to answer those.

2888
02:01:57,359 --> 02:02:01,269
>> Does anyone have any questions?

2889
02:02:01,269 --> 02:02:01,279
» Does anyone have any questions?

2890
02:02:01,279 --> 02:02:03,830
>> I I have a question, Alyssa. This is all

2891
02:02:03,830 --> 02:02:03,840
» I I have a question, Alyssa. This is all

2892
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,000
the land that was just added in through

2893
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:09,439
ROP 6 currently, correct? So this this

2894
02:02:09,439 --> 02:02:12,880
would expand outwards versus upwards

2895
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:14,950
>> in our density.

2896
02:02:14,950 --> 02:02:14,960
» in our density.

2897
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,510
>> Um our application would be I'm but I'm

2898
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:17,520
» Um our application would be I'm but I'm

2899
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,359
speaking tonight on the terms of the

2900
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:21,120
comprehensive zoning bylaw. Correct.

2901
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:21,760
Yes.

2902
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:23,750
>> Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

2903
02:02:23,750 --> 02:02:23,760
» Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

2904
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:25,439
that I've got the right group of

2905
02:02:25,439 --> 02:02:27,040
builders. So this was land that was

2906
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:29,120
added in for down the road, not for

2907
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:29,920
currently.

2908
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,150
>> Right. But I I guess we're commenting

2909
02:02:32,150 --> 02:02:32,160
» Right. But I I guess we're commenting

2910
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:34,640
tonight um through you uh mayor in the

2911
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:36,080
fact that hopefully this is a

2912
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:38,319
comprehensive bylaw. um that sets

2913
02:02:38,319 --> 02:02:40,960
standards, you know, that we don't have

2914
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:43,680
to come every single time and and ask

2915
02:02:43,680 --> 02:02:46,399
you for um a tweak here, a tweak there,

2916
02:02:46,399 --> 02:02:48,160
right? So, I see this as a really um

2917
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:51,040
important project to participate in now

2918
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,200
to make sure that when we are or when

2919
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:54,880
these home builders are building homes

2920
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,600
in 5 10 15 years, you you've got

2921
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:00,240
standards that are um appropriate and in

2922
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:03,520
place for those those new communities.

2923
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:10,150
>> Okay. Thank you, Councelor Roberts.

2924
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:11,600
There we go. Thank you, Mayor Jan,

2925
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:13,359
through you. Um, and thank you, Alyssa,

2926
02:03:13,359 --> 02:03:15,040
for your presentation. I just have a

2927
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:16,640
question. When you say a tweak here and

2928
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:19,200
a tweak there, are you saying that the

2929
02:03:19,200 --> 02:03:22,479
the formbbased zoning doesn't allow for

2930
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:24,720
enough density or it's too much density?

2931
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:28,080
I'm just having trouble following your

2932
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,269
>> train of thought there.

2933
02:03:29,269 --> 02:03:29,279
» train of thought there.

2934
02:03:29,279 --> 02:03:31,590
>> Sorry. Um, I was trying to be brief in

2935
02:03:31,590 --> 02:03:31,600
» Sorry. Um, I was trying to be brief in

2936
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:33,520
my comments. I know you guys have a long

2937
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,600
night ahead of you. Um, and so those

2938
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:37,600
those tweaks and those comments are

2939
02:03:37,600 --> 02:03:38,960
detailed in our submission and

2940
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:40,800
correspondence that were sent out. I

2941
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:43,200
have no problem with the density. It's

2942
02:03:43,200 --> 02:03:46,160
things like is it the right lot lot

2943
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:50,240
frontage um on an R3 zone which permits

2944
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:54,720
a variety of building types from um uh

2945
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:57,439
town houses in condo blocks up to

2946
02:03:57,439 --> 02:03:59,439
apartments. So they're minor things,

2947
02:03:59,439 --> 02:04:01,600
right? Maybe should we be considering um

2948
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:02,880
a different provision? there's some

2949
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:05,359
inconsistencies on the width of the

2950
02:04:05,359 --> 02:04:07,920
driveways. So, um, and and there's some

2951
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:09,359
conflicts there and you you're hearing

2952
02:04:09,359 --> 02:04:10,880
tonight some comments on the length of

2953
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,399
the driveways. So, when I talk about

2954
02:04:12,399 --> 02:04:16,479
tweaks, it's not fundamental big tweaks.

2955
02:04:16,479 --> 02:04:18,560
It's it's sort of minor things in and

2956
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:22,960
making sure that um the the zones

2957
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:25,279
consider um new communities that are

2958
02:04:25,279 --> 02:04:26,880
very much different in character and

2959
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,560
design and parameters than maybe

2960
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,240
traditional communities that are

2961
02:04:30,240 --> 02:04:32,960
experiencing more infill.

2962
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,920
Okay, thank you.

2963
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,910
>> I see no more questions. Alyssa, thank

2964
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:37,920
» I see no more questions. Alyssa, thank

2965
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:39,439
you. And this is your first time

2966
02:04:39,439 --> 02:04:40,880
presenting to us, wasn't it?

2967
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:42,389
>> It was. Yes. Thanks for having me.

2968
02:04:42,389 --> 02:04:42,399
» It was. Yes. Thanks for having me.

2969
02:04:42,399 --> 02:04:46,389
>> Thank you very much. Thank you.

2970
02:04:46,389 --> 02:04:46,399
» Thank you very much. Thank you.

2971
02:04:46,399 --> 02:04:49,349
>> Okay. Um, we're going to go through uh

2972
02:04:49,349 --> 02:04:49,359
» Okay. Um, we're going to go through uh

2973
02:04:49,359 --> 02:04:51,439
consent agenda and then consideration

2974
02:04:51,439 --> 02:04:52,960
reports. Then I'm just going to take a

2975
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:56,240
quick bio break if everybody doesn't

2976
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:58,000
mind.

2977
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,720
consent before we get into

2978
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:04,150
>> Yeah, I'm going to do consent. Yeah. Um

2979
02:05:04,150 --> 02:05:04,160
» Yeah, I'm going to do consent. Yeah. Um

2980
02:05:04,160 --> 02:05:07,040
so the next item is the consent agenda

2981
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,359
and um councelor Hamilton, you have that

2982
02:05:09,359 --> 02:05:15,590
one.

2983
02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:17,200
» Thank you, Mayor Liot. Through you. It's

2984
02:05:17,200 --> 02:05:18,479
moved by myself and seconded by

2985
02:05:18,479 --> 02:05:20,479
councelor Kempson. The recommendation

2986
02:05:20,479 --> 02:05:22,319
that all items listed under the heading

2987
02:05:22,319 --> 02:05:25,040
of consent agenda for February 3rd, 2026

2988
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,920
be adopted as recommended. Item 8.1,

2989
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:29,840
council meeting minutes, December 15,

2990
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:33,120
2025. 8.2, Special Council Meeting

2991
02:05:33,120 --> 02:05:37,359
Minutes, January 13, 2026. 8.3, Council

2992
02:05:37,359 --> 02:05:40,479
Information Package, January 9th, 2026.

2993
02:05:40,479 --> 02:05:42,800
And item 8.4, Council Information

2994
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:48,070
Package, January 23rd, 2026.

2995
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:52,389
So we'll call for that vote now

2996
02:05:52,399 --> 02:05:57,510
and opening voting.

2997
02:05:57,520 --> 02:05:59,920
Closing voting

2998
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:04,230
that carries unanimously.

2999
02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:06,000
Sorry, not the consideration of reports

3000
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,840
because that's going to get into

3001
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:09,840
presentation on the comprehensive zoning

3002
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:11,359
bylaw which is going to take a while. So

3003
02:06:11,359 --> 02:06:12,720
we're just going to take a quick bio

3004
02:06:12,720 --> 02:23:37,190
break here.

3005
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:39,359
So, this bio break has taken a lot

3006
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:42,239
longer than what was expected to be. So,

3007
02:23:42,239 --> 02:23:43,760
we're we're going to switch some things

3008
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:46,319
around because there's staff working

3009
02:23:46,319 --> 02:23:47,840
with counselors on some different

3010
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:49,200
things. Could you please sit down,

3011
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:52,870
Helen?

3012
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:56,720
Um, we're going to start with uh 55

3013
02:23:56,720 --> 02:23:58,720
Kerr.

3014
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:02,399
Um, because we have a presenter here, I

3015
02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:04,479
believe.

3016
02:24:04,479 --> 02:24:07,760
Um, we have Elden Theodore from MHBC

3017
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:10,000
planning to speak on behalf of the

3018
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:13,120
applicant on 26-001PG

3019
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:15,600
zoning bylaw amendment.

3020
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:17,359
Welcome, Elden. Nice to see you back.

3021
02:24:17,359 --> 02:24:22,150
It's been a number of years.

3022
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:31,269
Go ahead. You'll have five minutes.

3023
02:24:31,279 --> 02:24:34,239
Um, yes, it it has been a while. I think

3024
02:24:34,239 --> 02:24:36,319
um I've got some more gray hairs than

3025
02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:39,279
when I was first before you. Um, when

3026
02:24:39,279 --> 02:24:42,800
this application was um adopted by

3027
02:24:42,800 --> 02:24:46,880
council in uh 2021. Um, I have a lengthy

3028
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:48,319
presentation, but I'm not going to do

3029
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:50,080
that. Instead, I'm going to focus on

3030
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:51,680
what is before you. I'm going just going

3031
02:24:51,680 --> 02:24:54,640
to take you to the actual proposal

3032
02:24:54,640 --> 02:24:59,110
itself.

3033
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:07,920
There we go.

3034
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:14,399
Um so as a reminder to council um this

3035
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:16,000
current proposal before you in the staff

3036
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,640
report um was what was adopted by

3037
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:22,479
council in 2021 for two 18story tall

3038
02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:27,120
buildings with 445 units and uh 445

3039
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:29,600
parking spaces. And uh the

3040
02:25:29,600 --> 02:25:34,160
recommendation went to um regional staff

3041
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:36,960
uh planning for consideration uh which

3042
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:39,279
has since been dissolved. So it has now

3043
02:25:39,279 --> 02:25:42,000
come back to city staff for as the

3044
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:44,880
approval authority on the matter. Um a

3045
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:46,160
couple of things that I just want to

3046
02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:48,399
point out. First and foremost is that

3047
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:49,600
I'm supportive of staff's

3048
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:51,120
recommendation.

3049
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:54,319
Um as it relates to the bylaw and

3050
02:25:54,319 --> 02:25:56,000
particularly the secondary bylaw that's

3051
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,319
been added. Um I just wanted to clarify

3052
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:01,359
a number of items. Uh the first being

3053
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:05,200
that um item number excuse me just

3054
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:06,560
making sure I have the right in front of

3055
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:09,200
me. Um

3056
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:11,840
uh provision number five which speaks to

3057
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:15,760
the um uh the amount of private common

3058
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:18,160
amenity space. That was an item that was

3059
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:21,279
actually missed from the bylaw, but was

3060
02:26:21,279 --> 02:26:23,439
uh discussed and recommended in the

3061
02:26:23,439 --> 02:26:28,239
staff report back in um 2021. And so

3062
02:26:28,239 --> 02:26:29,920
that's really just an error that's been

3063
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:33,600
addressed. The other items number six,

3064
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:37,680
seven, and eight, um they all deal with

3065
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:40,000
uh source water protection and ensuring

3066
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:41,840
that this development does everything it

3067
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:44,160
can as it relates to restrictions on

3068
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:46,800
geothermal wells and as it relates to

3069
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:49,600
restrictions on infiltration and passive

3070
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:51,600
active dewatering, ensuring that that

3071
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:54,720
does not occur. And last but not least,

3072
02:26:54,720 --> 02:26:56,800
um the addition, which is section five,

3073
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:58,960
which deals with the holding provisions.

3074
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:01,920
These were all items that were ongoing

3075
02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:04,880
and and in the works uh being resolved

3076
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:06,239
with the region but had not been

3077
02:27:06,239 --> 02:27:08,399
resolved and through the recommendation

3078
02:27:08,399 --> 02:27:09,760
that they be placed as holding

3079
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:13,439
provisions so that they once uh should

3080
02:27:13,439 --> 02:27:14,800
this development proceed to the next

3081
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:18,000
stage through site plan um they would be

3082
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:20,160
addressed uh to the satisfaction of

3083
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,399
council. So that age would need to be

3084
02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:24,399
lifted prior to site plan approval

3085
02:27:24,399 --> 02:27:26,720
occurring. And so I wanted to just uh

3086
02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:29,359
clarify those items. Um, I reviewed

3087
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:31,120
staff's report. I support the

3088
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:33,040
recommendations. Happy to answer any

3089
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:36,000
questions.

3090
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:37,910
>> So, you've met all of the conditions of

3091
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:37,920
» So, you've met all of the conditions of

3092
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:39,359
the holding provision.

3093
02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:42,229
>> We have not yet. Um, we were in the

3094
02:27:42,229 --> 02:27:42,239
» We have not yet. Um, we were in the

3095
02:27:42,239 --> 02:27:44,720
midst of meeting those items and then

3096
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:47,760
the partners on the project changed and

3097
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:50,640
then the economy fell out and so they

3098
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:53,520
are yet to be fully satisfied. So,

3099
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:55,200
that's why they are holding provisions

3100
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:56,479
in the bylaw.

3101
02:27:56,479 --> 02:27:58,550
>> Okay. I just wanted to clarify that.

3102
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:58,560
» Okay. I just wanted to clarify that.

3103
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,439
Okay. I I love the changes that you know

3104
02:28:01,439 --> 02:28:04,399
the listening to council, listening to

3105
02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:06,640
the residents, dropping the number of

3106
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:08,720
units, dropping the height, everything.

3107
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:10,720
I realize some of that's financial, but

3108
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:12,880
I really appreciate it. Are there any

3109
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:17,750
questions from council here?

3110
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:19,520
And you still the commercial on the

3111
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:20,399
bottom? Like

3112
02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:21,830
>> there is still commercial on the ground

3113
02:28:21,830 --> 02:28:21,840
» there is still commercial on the ground

3114
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:22,800
floor. Yes.

3115
02:28:22,800 --> 02:28:24,790
>> Okay. It's been a lot of long long time

3116
02:28:24,790 --> 02:28:24,800
» Okay. It's been a lot of long long time

3117
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:25,600
coming.

3118
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:27,670
>> Yes. and a lot of collaboration went

3119
02:28:27,670 --> 02:28:27,680
» Yes. and a lot of collaboration went

3120
02:28:27,680 --> 02:28:30,640
into bringing this forward back then and

3121
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:32,720
um just happy to

3122
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:34,469
>> uh finally bring this to closure at

3123
02:28:34,469 --> 02:28:34,479
» uh finally bring this to closure at

3124
02:28:34,479 --> 02:28:36,800
least this chapter of this application

3125
02:28:36,800 --> 02:28:38,950
>> and Mr. Whitel still the architect I saw

3126
02:28:38,950 --> 02:28:38,960
» and Mr. Whitel still the architect I saw

3127
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:40,800
on your

3128
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:42,389
>> uh that's correct madame mayor.

3129
02:28:42,389 --> 02:28:42,399
» uh that's correct madame mayor.

3130
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:45,510
>> All right I see no oh councelor meta

3131
02:28:45,510 --> 02:28:45,520
» All right I see no oh councelor meta

3132
02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:46,229
>> thank you mayor

3133
02:28:46,229 --> 02:28:46,239
» thank you mayor

3134
02:28:46,239 --> 02:28:47,750
>> and through you and thank you for the

3135
02:28:47,750 --> 02:28:47,760
» and through you and thank you for the

3136
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:49,439
presentation and all your work on the

3137
02:28:49,439 --> 02:28:52,000
file and to everyone working on this um

3138
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,239
the question that I have and I may have

3139
02:28:54,239 --> 02:28:56,000
missed it. Um what would be the time

3140
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:57,920
frame for construction and how long will

3141
02:28:57,920 --> 02:28:59,920
it take to build the whole thing like

3142
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:01,600
when does the developer feel they can

3143
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,920
break ground and all that? Thank you.

3144
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:07,030
>> Um that is a great question. right now

3145
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:07,040
» Um that is a great question. right now

3146
02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:10,000
that's a little bit in limbo. Um, this

3147
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:12,479
project had originally been looking at a

3148
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:14,640
potential as it related to a condo

3149
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:17,600
development. Um, condo is not in vogue

3150
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:23,279
at the moment. Um, and so um the right

3151
02:29:23,279 --> 02:29:25,760
now the developer is looking at how they

3152
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:28,880
can pivot to a potential rental um and

3153
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:30,399
partnering with a partner. Obviously,

3154
02:29:30,399 --> 02:29:33,359
when doing rental, there's a lot more

3155
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:34,880
financial

3156
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:36,880
um obligation that has to come in the

3157
02:29:36,880 --> 02:29:38,960
forefront of that project. So, um

3158
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:41,600
whether there's an ability to get Cac

3159
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:43,840
funding or other funding sources or

3160
02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:46,720
having a JV partner to help assist with

3161
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:48,000
that, those are part of the back

3162
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:50,239
discussions that are happening. So, I

3163
02:29:50,239 --> 02:29:52,000
couldn't give you a firm timeline. And

3164
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,880
what I could tell you is that if it did

3165
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:57,359
um if it did go ahead, we'd still have

3166
02:29:57,359 --> 02:29:59,920
to go through site plan um with working

3167
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:02,319
with your staff um which you know

3168
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:04,479
probably you know 6 to 8 month process

3169
02:30:04,479 --> 02:30:08,080
and then this construction with um with

3170
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:10,399
the underground parking you're looking

3171
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:11,600
at probably a 2 to three year

3172
02:30:11,600 --> 02:30:16,309
construction period.

3173
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:19,279
» Thank you. I see no more questions.

3174
02:30:19,279 --> 02:30:19,670
>> Thank you.

3175
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:19,680
» Thank you.

3176
02:30:19,680 --> 02:30:21,349
>> Thank you very much.

3177
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:21,359
» Thank you very much.

3178
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:23,840
Uh Melissa Moore, senior planner, is

3179
02:30:23,840 --> 02:30:33,030
here to present on this project.

3180
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:35,200
Welcome, Alyssa.

3181
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:38,160
Thank you, Mayor Wicket and Council, all

3182
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:40,479
in attendance this evening. I don't see

3183
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:54,870
the presentation up on the board, but

3184
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:57,439
Okay, there we are. Um, so I am

3185
02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,439
presenting staff's recommendation on a

3186
02:30:59,439 --> 02:31:01,279
staff initiated amending zoning bylaw

3187
02:31:01,279 --> 02:31:04,560
for 55 Kurr Street in the east part of

3188
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:12,070
G.

3189
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:14,880
So again, the site uh norththeast corner

3190
02:31:14,880 --> 02:31:19,269
of Kerr and Shade Street

3191
02:31:19,279 --> 02:31:21,040
and uh I can take you through a bit of

3192
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:23,760
the history. So in 2021, council adopted

3193
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:25,120
the official plan amendment and zoning

3194
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:28,960
bylaw amendment uh for a 18story

3195
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:31,040
building or sorry to permit two 18story

3196
02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:33,600
buildings with a total of 445 dwelling

3197
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:35,760
units as well as aggra commercial space

3198
02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:37,680
in one of the buildings on site. The

3199
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,359
official plan amendment was sent to the

3200
02:31:39,359 --> 02:31:41,439
region for a decision. The region did

3201
02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:43,120
not make a decision on the official plan

3202
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:44,800
amendment as additional studies were

3203
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:46,960
required relating to archaeology, noise,

3204
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:50,160
source water protection and uh also

3205
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:51,680
prohibitions.

3206
02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:54,080
On January 1st, 2025, the city became

3207
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:56,319
the approval authority

3208
02:31:56,319 --> 02:31:59,359
for uh sight specific official plans

3209
02:31:59,359 --> 02:32:02,319
through the passing of bill 23. And as

3210
02:32:02,319 --> 02:32:04,560
the application predated the transfer of

3211
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:06,880
approval authority from the region to

3212
02:32:06,880 --> 02:32:09,439
the city, the official plan amendment is

3213
02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:11,279
with the ministry of municipal affairs

3214
02:32:11,279 --> 02:32:14,160
and housing for a decision. Currently,

3215
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:16,880
the ministry has consulted with with the

3216
02:32:16,880 --> 02:32:19,200
city uh and regional staff regarding the

3217
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:20,800
application and city staff agreed to

3218
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:22,560
incorporate these outstanding issues

3219
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:25,359
into an amending bylaw. uh and it's

3220
02:32:25,359 --> 02:32:27,200
related to source protection as well as

3221
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:29,120
holding provisions to obtain the

3222
02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:31,279
outstanding studies as well as to

3223
02:32:31,279 --> 02:32:33,760
recognize as uh Alden had previously

3224
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:36,479
stated a previously approved uh

3225
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:38,479
provision relating to amenity area that

3226
02:32:38,479 --> 02:32:40,319
was identified in the purpose and intent

3227
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:42,479
of the bylaw but not actually in the

3228
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:44,720
provision itself of the bylaw. So it's

3229
02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:46,560
really just a cleanup of the existing

3230
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:50,309
bylaw.

3231
02:32:50,319 --> 02:32:52,319
And I apologize the uh clicker is not

3232
02:32:52,319 --> 02:32:53,760
working here. But again, prohibitions

3233
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:55,680
include uh prohibition on geothermal

3234
02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:57,120
wells, prohibition on engineered

3235
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:59,120
infiltration infrastructure, and a

3236
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:00,640
prohibition on permanent passive or

3237
02:33:00,640 --> 02:33:02,319
active dewatering infrastructure. Now,

3238
02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:03,600
those all relate to source water

3239
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:07,840
protection measures. And uh the further

3240
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:09,439
uh the amendment is to implement a

3241
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:10,720
holding provision to obtain the

3242
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:12,399
following studies. An archaeological

3243
02:33:12,399 --> 02:33:13,840
assessment and corresponding ministry

3244
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:15,680
acknowledgement letter. a stationary

3245
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:18,160
noise study, a hydrogeeological study

3246
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:20,080
that includes a vulnerability assessment

3247
02:33:20,080 --> 02:33:22,800
and sensitivity analysis and source

3248
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:24,640
water protection potential contamination

3249
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:28,229
study.

3250
02:33:28,239 --> 02:33:30,399
Uh so once a decision has been made on

3251
02:33:30,399 --> 02:33:32,399
the amending zoning bylaw by council,

3252
02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:33,920
the Ministry of Missile Affairs and

3253
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:35,840
Housing will then follow through with

3254
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:37,520
the making a decision on the official

3255
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:41,439
plan amendment um after after a decision

3256
02:33:41,439 --> 02:33:44,080
this evening. In providing staff's

3257
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:45,760
recommendation to council, I have

3258
02:33:45,760 --> 02:33:47,200
considered consistency and conformity

3259
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:48,640
with provincial, regional, and city

3260
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:50,800
policies and consideration of comments

3261
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:52,319
received through the Ontario Ministry's

3262
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:55,279
Environmental Registry public review.

3263
02:33:55,279 --> 02:33:56,880
Staff is recommending approval of the

3264
02:33:56,880 --> 02:33:59,200
proposed amending zoning bylaw amendment

3265
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:00,880
as it is consistent with the provincial

3266
02:34:00,880 --> 02:34:02,560
planning statement and conforms to the

3267
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:04,160
regional official plan and city official

3268
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:06,239
plan. Furthermore, these additional

3269
02:34:06,239 --> 02:34:07,920
prohibitions and holding provisions

3270
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:11,200
ensure source water protection is imp is

3271
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:13,040
uh protected and reports that are

3272
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:16,080
required uh are obtained through the

3273
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:18,000
continued review at the detailed design

3274
02:34:18,000 --> 02:34:20,720
stage. So I want to thank you all for

3275
02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:22,000
your time and I'm available for

3276
02:34:22,000 --> 02:34:24,560
questions on this matter.

3277
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:28,870
Does anybody have any questions?

3278
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:30,640
I don't see any, Melissa. Some of us,

3279
02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:32,080
there's three of us who've been here

3280
02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:34,239
since day one on this project and we

3281
02:34:34,239 --> 02:34:36,319
missed our targets. This was one of the

3282
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:37,920
properties where we missed our targets.

3283
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:39,520
So, I'm thrilled to see this going

3284
02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:41,600
forward. I know it's going to be a while

3285
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:43,600
yet, but at least it's going forward. It

3286
02:34:43,600 --> 02:34:46,160
provides some rental housing, which is

3287
02:34:46,160 --> 02:34:48,000
exciting for all of us here. So, thank

3288
02:34:48,000 --> 02:34:49,279
you.

3289
02:34:49,279 --> 02:34:50,389
>> Okay. Thank you.

3290
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:50,399
» Okay. Thank you.

3291
02:34:50,399 --> 02:34:52,790
>> Okay. So on this one here, councelor

3292
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:52,800
» Okay. So on this one here, councelor

3293
02:34:52,800 --> 02:35:25,190
Ernshaw, you have the motion.

3294
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:27,040
I do. Yes. Thank you, Mayor Liot. It's

3295
02:35:27,040 --> 02:35:29,040
moved by me and seconded by councelor

3296
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:31,520
Cooper that council approves the

3297
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:33,920
proposed zoning bylaw amendment with

3298
02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:35,760
additional sight specific and holding

3299
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:38,479
provisions for the property located at

3300
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:41,279
55 Kurr Street for a mixeduse

3301
02:35:41,279 --> 02:35:44,479
development with 445 dwelling units and

3302
02:35:44,479 --> 02:35:46,800
approximately 113.9

3303
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:50,080
square meters of retail at grade and

3304
02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:51,840
that council deems that adequate notice

3305
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:53,760
was provided for the public meeting held

3306
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:57,120
December 10th, 2019. 19 and that a

3307
02:35:57,120 --> 02:35:58,960
further public meeting is not considered

3308
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:01,680
necessary and that the corresponding

3309
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:04,080
official plan amendment has been posted

3310
02:36:04,080 --> 02:36:06,319
and comments closed on the Environmental

3311
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:12,309
Registry of Ontario ERO number 025-0194

3312
02:36:12,319 --> 02:36:15,200
website and further that the bylaw

3313
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:18,960
attached to report 26-y

3314
02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:23,040
PG in appendix D be presented to council

3315
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:27,110
for enactment.

3316
02:36:27,120 --> 02:36:29,439
Are there any questions from council on

3317
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:32,960
this? Any comments?

3318
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:34,960
Seeing none, we'll ask the clerk for

3319
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:36,880
that vote.

3320
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:42,950
Opening voting.

3321
02:36:42,960 --> 02:36:45,040
Closing voting.

3322
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:49,910
That carries unanimously.

3323
02:36:49,920 --> 02:36:53,359
There you go, Elden.

3324
02:36:53,359 --> 02:36:55,680
So, we're going to uh skip to Cherry

3325
02:36:55,680 --> 02:36:58,239
Blossom Road one uh next. So, that

3326
02:36:58,239 --> 02:37:01,680
report is 26-002PG

3327
02:37:01,680 --> 02:37:03,840
recommendation report for official plan,

3328
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:06,560
amendment, and zoning bylaw amendment

3329
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:08,640
165 Cherry Blossom Road. And we have

3330
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:12,720
Kate Wills from HS MHC's uh planning

3331
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:15,200
speaking on behalf of the applicant.

3332
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:17,760
Welcome again, Kate. You will have five

3333
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:19,680
minutes.

3334
02:37:19,680 --> 02:37:23,520
And we have Eric Devos is also in

3335
02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:25,040
attendance in person to answer any

3336
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:26,479
questions that we may have. Is that

3337
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:29,510
correct?

3338
02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:30,560
» Sorry.

3339
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:32,229
>> Is Eric here to answer questions? It

3340
02:37:32,229 --> 02:37:32,239
» Is Eric here to answer questions? It

3341
02:37:32,239 --> 02:37:35,200
says in my script. Is he here?

3342
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:36,070
>> No. Okay.

3343
02:37:36,070 --> 02:37:36,080
» No. Okay.

3344
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:37,590
>> I don't know if he's in here.

3345
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:37,600
» I don't know if he's in here.

3346
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:39,190
>> I don't believe he's involved. Eric's

3347
02:37:39,190 --> 02:37:39,200
» I don't believe he's involved. Eric's

3348
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:40,800
not involved in the application.

3349
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:42,389
>> Oh, okay.

3350
02:37:42,389 --> 02:37:42,399
» Oh, okay.

3351
02:37:42,399 --> 02:37:45,269
>> He He's Okay. He was a co-op student at

3352
02:37:45,269 --> 02:37:45,279
» He He's Okay. He was a co-op student at

3353
02:37:45,279 --> 02:37:48,080
our office. He's not with us anymore. Is

3354
02:37:48,080 --> 02:37:50,399
he here? Okay. We have a strong woman at

3355
02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:51,840
the mic who's going to carry the whole

3356
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:52,479
thing. That's

3357
02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,389
>> You got it. You got it.

3358
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:54,399
» You got it. You got it.

3359
02:37:54,399 --> 02:37:56,630
>> Um, good evening, mayor, members of

3360
02:37:56,630 --> 02:37:56,640
» Um, good evening, mayor, members of

3361
02:37:56,640 --> 02:37:59,040
council, and public. Um, thank you for

3362
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,040
taking the time for this application

3363
02:38:01,040 --> 02:38:04,239
this evening. Um, this application has

3364
02:38:04,239 --> 02:38:07,520
been presented to you previously for 165

3365
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:09,920
Cherry Blossom Road. There haven't been

3366
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:13,120
any changes since our last um,

3367
02:38:13,120 --> 02:38:16,160
presentation. U, I'll just do a quick

3368
02:38:16,160 --> 02:38:18,399
recap. Uh there's an existing dwelling

3369
02:38:18,399 --> 02:38:20,560
unit uh fronting onto Cherry Blossom

3370
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:23,120
Road. Um there's also frontage onto

3371
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:25,359
Boxwood Drive. The applicant is looking

3372
02:38:25,359 --> 02:38:28,239
to sever three lots from the property

3373
02:38:28,239 --> 02:38:30,640
and they would be serviced privately for

3374
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:33,359
water and septic.

3375
02:38:33,359 --> 02:38:37,279
Um the sight specific um applications

3376
02:38:37,279 --> 02:38:39,840
relate to the official plan. Uh the

3377
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:42,399
first being that this the site is

3378
02:38:42,399 --> 02:38:44,399
designated future urban reserve. We're

3379
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:47,760
amending the or the site designation to

3380
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:49,279
low/medium

3381
02:38:49,279 --> 02:38:51,279
density residential with sight specific

3382
02:38:51,279 --> 02:38:54,479
policy to allow for the private services

3383
02:38:54,479 --> 02:38:57,439
and um this will allow for gentle in int

3384
02:38:57,439 --> 02:39:00,080
sorry gentle intensification

3385
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:02,160
um with similar lot sizes to what exists

3386
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:04,640
in the neighborhood today.

3387
02:39:04,640 --> 02:39:07,120
In terms of the zoning bylaw amendment,

3388
02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:09,760
the current zoning is agricultural A1

3389
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,520
and the proposed zoning would be

3390
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:14,319
residential one. Uh we're asking for a

3391
02:39:14,319 --> 02:39:16,080
sight specific which would be a minor

3392
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:18,160
reduction in the minimum lot area from

3393
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,800
3,000 square meters to 2700 square

3394
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:23,600
meters which again aligns with the uh

3395
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:25,920
lots in the nearby uh neighborhood as

3396
02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:29,279
well. Um I'm just here to say that we've

3397
02:39:29,279 --> 02:39:31,439
had a chance to review uh the staff

3398
02:39:31,439 --> 02:39:34,080
report and recommendation and we support

3399
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:36,960
um everything that is being proposed by

3400
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:39,439
staff uh for approval. I'm here to

3401
02:39:39,439 --> 02:39:41,680
answer any questions that uh members of

3402
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:44,960
council um or the mayor may have and

3403
02:39:44,960 --> 02:39:48,160
thank you for your time.

3404
02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:51,590
>> Does anyone have any questions for Kate?

3405
02:39:51,590 --> 02:39:51,600
» Does anyone have any questions for Kate?

3406
02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:53,349
>> I see none. You got off easy tonight.

3407
02:39:53,349 --> 02:39:53,359
» I see none. You got off easy tonight.

3408
02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:54,479
That's great.

3409
02:39:54,479 --> 02:39:55,830
>> Thank you.

3410
02:39:55,830 --> 02:39:55,840
» Thank you.

3411
02:39:55,840 --> 02:39:59,269
>> Um and Melissa, you're back up again on

3412
02:39:59,269 --> 02:39:59,279
» Um and Melissa, you're back up again on

3413
02:39:59,279 --> 02:40:09,510
this one.

3414
02:40:09,520 --> 02:40:10,479
Go ahead.

3415
02:40:10,479 --> 02:40:12,950
>> Afternoon or good evening I should say.

3416
02:40:12,950 --> 02:40:12,960
» Afternoon or good evening I should say.

3417
02:40:12,960 --> 02:40:15,600
Yes, I'm presenting on uh the

3418
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:20,790
recommendation of staffs.

3419
02:40:20,800 --> 02:40:22,160
So I'll be presenting staff's

3420
02:40:22,160 --> 02:40:23,200
recommendation on the official plan

3421
02:40:23,200 --> 02:40:25,359
amendment and zoning bylaw amendment for

3422
02:40:25,359 --> 02:40:27,439
165 Cherry Blossom Road and it's related

3423
02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:30,160
to O1 1125.

3424
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:32,080
See it there, but it's not popping up on

3425
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:34,560
the screen here. There we go. Wonderful.

3426
02:40:34,560 --> 02:40:37,200
Thank you.

3427
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:42,080
So again uh the um site is located at

3428
02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:44,640
165 Jerry Blossom Road and the official

3429
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:46,080
plan current official plan designation

3430
02:40:46,080 --> 02:40:48,960
is future urban reserve and the existing

3431
02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:52,479
zoning of the land is agricultural A1.

3432
02:40:52,479 --> 02:40:54,800
So I have some depictions of the

3433
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:56,800
proposed zoning and proposed official

3434
02:40:56,800 --> 02:40:58,800
plan designation. So they're proposing

3435
02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:01,040
to take it from Future Urban Reserve to

3436
02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:02,720
the low medium density residential with

3437
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:04,960
sight specific policy 129 to permit a

3438
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:07,520
maximum of four residential lots for

3439
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:09,279
single detached dwelling on private

3440
02:41:09,279 --> 02:41:10,800
services.

3441
02:41:10,800 --> 02:41:12,319
The proposed zoning bylaw amendment

3442
02:41:12,319 --> 02:41:13,760
before council is to amend the zoning

3443
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:16,000
bylaw from the existing agricultural A1

3444
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,239
to proposed residential one zone with a

3445
02:41:18,239 --> 02:41:20,399
sight specific provision to permit lot

3446
02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:26,950
areas of 2,700 square meters.

3447
02:41:26,960 --> 02:41:30,319
In considering uh the recommendation and

3448
02:41:30,319 --> 02:41:32,399
uh my recommendation to council, the

3449
02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:34,160
following has been considered.

3450
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:35,439
Consistency and conformity with

3451
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:37,359
provincial, regional, and city policies,

3452
02:41:37,359 --> 02:41:38,880
good planning, and comments received

3453
02:41:38,880 --> 02:41:40,080
through the circulation of the

3454
02:41:40,080 --> 02:41:41,600
application.

3455
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:42,880
Through the circulation of the

3456
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:44,319
application and the public meeting held

3457
02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:46,399
in November, no comments were received

3458
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:48,000
from members of the public. In addition,

3459
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:49,439
no members of the public requested

3460
02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:51,200
additional information or requested to

3461
02:41:51,200 --> 02:41:53,439
be added to the notification list. All

3462
02:41:53,439 --> 02:41:54,800
comments that were received were

3463
02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:55,920
addressed through the official plan

3464
02:41:55,920 --> 02:41:58,160
amendment and zoning bylaw amendment or

3465
02:41:58,160 --> 02:42:00,080
will be addressed through future consent

3466
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:02,720
applications should council approve this

3467
02:42:02,720 --> 02:42:04,239
uh official plan amendment and zoning

3468
02:42:04,239 --> 02:42:07,120
bylaw amendment. This evening, staff is

3469
02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:08,319
recommending approval of the proposed

3470
02:42:08,319 --> 02:42:10,399
official plan amen amendment and zoning

3471
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:12,319
bylaw amendment as they are consistent

3472
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:14,000
with the provincial planning statement

3473
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:15,359
and they conform to the regional

3474
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:18,160
official plan and city official city of

3475
02:42:18,160 --> 02:42:20,160
Cambridge official plan. Thank you for

3476
02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:21,600
your time and I'm available for

3477
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:23,520
questions.

3478
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:25,120
Does anyone have any questions for

3479
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:27,279
Melissa?

3480
02:42:27,279 --> 02:42:29,429
>> I see none. Great. Thank you.

3481
02:42:29,429 --> 02:42:29,439
» I see none. Great. Thank you.

3482
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:31,429
>> Thank you for your time.

3483
02:42:31,429 --> 02:42:31,439
» Thank you for your time.

3484
02:42:31,439 --> 02:42:33,590
>> Okay. And councelor Shre, you have this

3485
02:42:33,590 --> 02:42:33,600
» Okay. And councelor Shre, you have this

3486
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:40,630
motion.

3487
02:42:40,640 --> 02:42:43,600
» Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Moved by myself,

3488
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:48,560
seconded by councelor Divine. Um that uh

3489
02:42:48,560 --> 02:42:52,160
recommend uh 26-002PG

3490
02:42:52,160 --> 02:42:54,319
recommendation report for official plan

3491
02:42:54,319 --> 02:42:57,920
amendment and zoning bylaw amendment 165

3492
02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:00,000
Cherry Blossom Road. The council

3493
02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:01,760
approves the proposed official plan

3494
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:05,040
amendment 98 for the property located at

3495
02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:08,000
165 Cherry Blossom Road to permit a new

3496
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,160
residential development on private

3497
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:12,720
services and that council approve the

3498
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:15,120
proposed zoning bylaw amendment with

3499
02:43:15,120 --> 02:43:17,279
sightsp specific provisions for the

3500
02:43:17,279 --> 02:43:20,319
property located at 165 Cherry Blossom

3501
02:43:20,319 --> 02:43:22,880
Road and that the bylaws attached to

3502
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:26,319
report 25-041-PG

3503
02:43:26,319 --> 02:43:31,349
be presented to council for enactment.

3504
02:43:31,359 --> 02:43:34,560
Does council have any questions?

3505
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:37,120
Any comments?

3506
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:40,319
Okay, we'll go for that vote.

3507
02:43:40,319 --> 02:43:46,070
Opening voting.

3508
02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:48,239
Closing voting.

3509
02:43:48,239 --> 02:43:51,439
That carries unanimously.

3510
02:43:51,439 --> 02:43:55,600
Okay, there you go, Kate. Good night.

3511
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:58,239
So, next we're going to do um the

3512
02:43:58,239 --> 02:44:00,800
professional fire services fire station

3513
02:44:00,800 --> 02:44:02,960
4 expansion.

3514
02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:06,880
And do we have somebody here to speak to

3515
02:44:06,880 --> 02:44:09,359
this? If I'm sure council's going to

3516
02:44:09,359 --> 02:44:15,429
have some questions.

3517
02:44:15,439 --> 02:44:17,439
Um and councelor Roberts, you have that

3518
02:44:17,439 --> 02:44:19,600
motion. We could put that on the floor

3519
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:29,830
in the meantime.

3520
02:44:29,840 --> 02:44:31,840
Yep. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Through you,

3521
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:34,000
u moved by myself, seconded by councelor

3522
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:36,239
Cooper. Recommendation that request for

3523
02:44:36,239 --> 02:44:39,760
quotation number Q25-85,

3524
02:44:39,760 --> 02:44:41,840
Professional Services Fire Station 4

3525
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:44,960
expansion be awarded to DP AI

3526
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:46,960
Architecture, Inc. in the amount of

3527
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:50,070
$328,440

3528
02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:52,479
excluding applicable taxes. and that the

3529
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:57,349
budget in capital project A/00621-30

3530
02:44:57,359 --> 02:45:02,080
be increased by a total of 105,421

3531
02:45:02,080 --> 02:45:03,840
funded from development charges related

3532
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:07,910
to fire services.

3533
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:09,680
» Okay, I'm sure we have questions on this

3534
02:45:09,680 --> 02:45:14,239
one. Do we not? Councelor Hamilton.

3535
02:45:14,239 --> 02:45:16,229
>> Thank you, Mayor Getting through you.

3536
02:45:16,229 --> 02:45:16,239
» Thank you, Mayor Getting through you.

3537
02:45:16,239 --> 02:45:17,680
Hello to you both. Thank you for staying

3538
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:20,880
this long. Um, my question obviously has

3539
02:45:20,880 --> 02:45:22,720
to do with the adjustments to the

3540
02:45:22,720 --> 02:45:27,040
project. So, elevating the cost by

3541
02:45:27,040 --> 02:45:30,070
$15,421

3542
02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:31,680
because a review of the elements of the

3543
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:33,520
project's original scope identified the

3544
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:35,760
needs for this adjustment to be made.

3545
02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:37,760
So, what exactly were those needs? What

3546
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:39,359
was omitted or missed in the first

3547
02:45:39,359 --> 02:45:42,000
assessment that caused that fluctuation?

3548
02:45:42,000 --> 02:45:45,359
Or why do we have an additional $105,000

3549
02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:48,560
that's being added on now?

3550
02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:50,800
U through your your worship. Uh the

3551
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:52,319
original scope, the original project

3552
02:45:52,319 --> 02:45:55,439
itself was designed for fire station 5.

3553
02:45:55,439 --> 02:45:57,600
Um part of the fire services m

3554
02:45:57,600 --> 02:45:58,950
>> sorry could you bring the mic up? I

3555
02:45:58,950 --> 02:45:58,960
» sorry could you bring the mic up? I

3556
02:45:58,960 --> 02:45:59,520
can't hear you.

3557
02:45:59,520 --> 02:45:59,990
>> Sorry.

3558
02:45:59,990 --> 02:46:00,000
» Sorry.

3559
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:01,110
>> Thanks Olu.

3560
02:46:01,110 --> 02:46:01,120
» Thanks Olu.

3561
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:03,990
>> Sorry threeear worship. Um so the

3562
02:46:03,990 --> 02:46:04,000
» Sorry threeear worship. Um so the

3563
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:05,920
original scope of the project was for

3564
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:08,160
fire station 5. The intent was to

3565
02:46:08,160 --> 02:46:11,680
renovate or expand fire station 5. Um

3566
02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:14,720
following uh the fire uh master plan and

3567
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:16,479
further assessments by the department,

3568
02:46:16,479 --> 02:46:18,319
it was determined that that location

3569
02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:21,439
wasn't the appropriate um location for

3570
02:46:21,439 --> 02:46:23,199
expansion.

3571
02:46:23,199 --> 02:46:25,439
Fire fire station 4 was recommended for

3572
02:46:25,439 --> 02:46:28,160
the revision and the project itself the

3573
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,160
construction project itself was re was

3574
02:46:30,160 --> 02:46:33,040
uh corrected um was expanded to to

3575
02:46:33,040 --> 02:46:37,040
include um the actual costing

3576
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:40,720
um the professional services

3577
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:42,880
has increased the professional services

3578
02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:45,600
cost has increased to correlate with the

3579
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:47,520
actual cost to reflect the cost of the

3580
02:46:47,520 --> 02:46:49,760
construction that's needed. Fire station

3581
02:46:49,760 --> 02:46:51,920
5 is a newer facility than fire station

3582
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:55,199
4. If we're moving sites based on the

3583
02:46:55,199 --> 02:46:58,080
needs of the community, um the costs uh

3584
02:46:58,080 --> 02:47:01,439
increased based on that.

3585
02:47:01,439 --> 02:47:02,950
>> Thank you. I wasn't aware that it was

3586
02:47:02,950 --> 02:47:02,960
» Thank you. I wasn't aware that it was

3587
02:47:02,960 --> 02:47:05,520
moving from five to four. So that's

3588
02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:08,160
that's very helpful. Thank you.

3589
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:10,070
>> But can I just ask you something on that

3590
02:47:10,070 --> 02:47:10,080
» But can I just ask you something on that

3591
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:13,120
olu? We put it the budget was for

3592
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:15,600
station four though.

3593
02:47:15,600 --> 02:47:17,750
>> That's that's correct your worship. Um

3594
02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:17,760
» That's that's correct your worship. Um

3595
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:20,479
so original the original project was a

3596
02:47:20,479 --> 02:47:23,920
2025 project for fire station five sorry

3597
02:47:23,920 --> 02:47:28,560
2024 for fire station 5. Um but during

3598
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:30,800
the assessment when the fire station um

3599
02:47:30,800 --> 02:47:32,479
master fire master plan was being

3600
02:47:32,479 --> 02:47:33,920
carried out it was determined it was

3601
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:36,479
four. So the project was revised at

3602
02:47:36,479 --> 02:47:38,080
capital budget working group to fire

3603
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:42,160
station five uh four. So in 2025 it was

3604
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:45,600
for fire station four.

3605
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:47,359
So you are correct.

3606
02:47:47,359 --> 02:47:49,590
>> So when this budget was done for this

3607
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:49,600
» So when this budget was done for this

3608
02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:51,680
year though, we were thinking it was for

3609
02:47:51,680 --> 02:47:53,279
station four.

3610
02:47:53,279 --> 02:47:54,309
>> That's correct.

3611
02:47:54,309 --> 02:47:54,319
» That's correct.

3612
02:47:54,319 --> 02:47:57,349
>> So you're asking for an increase based

3613
02:47:57,349 --> 02:47:57,359
» So you're asking for an increase based

3614
02:47:57,359 --> 02:48:03,510
on the budget that we just passed.

3615
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:06,160
» That's that's through your That's

3616
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,150
>> It just wasn't caught that it was the

3617
02:48:08,150 --> 02:48:08,160
» It just wasn't caught that it was the

3618
02:48:08,160 --> 02:48:11,439
wrong amount for the one we were just

3619
02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:15,990
>> approved. So this project is a 2025

3620
02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:16,000
» approved. So this project is a 2025

3621
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:17,760
project. So it was for the last budget

3622
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:20,880
cycle. Um at the start of the project

3623
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:23,199
was already ongoing when we when the

3624
02:48:23,199 --> 02:48:24,960
fire station the fire mass plan got

3625
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:27,760
approved when the assessments were done

3626
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:29,199
and it was at that point that we

3627
02:48:29,199 --> 02:48:31,760
realized that we the growth or the work

3628
02:48:31,760 --> 02:48:34,560
was needed for four not five. So this

3629
02:48:34,560 --> 02:48:36,960
was an ongoing project in 2025 would

3630
02:48:36,960 --> 02:48:39,199
have been part of the 2024 budget

3631
02:48:39,199 --> 02:48:43,439
process. The construction work is it

3632
02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:46,640
reflects 2024 sorry the construction

3633
02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:49,840
project reflects fire station 4 and it's

3634
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:52,880
been budget budgeted for accordingly.

3635
02:48:52,880 --> 02:48:55,040
So from the construction side of things

3636
02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:56,960
we're fine from from a budget

3637
02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:59,120
perspective but from the professional

3638
02:48:59,120 --> 02:49:01,279
services to design this is the design

3639
02:49:01,279 --> 02:49:04,800
project so to design the renovations

3640
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:07,600
um it was a 2025 project so it was two

3641
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,880
two cycles ago. Okay, I'm going to go to

3642
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:12,640
counselors now and then I'll come back

3643
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:15,120
to this because I'm taking up too much

3644
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:18,479
time here. Councelor Roberts,

3645
02:49:18,479 --> 02:49:19,990
>> thanks Mayor Jan and through you. Thank

3646
02:49:19,990 --> 02:49:20,000
» thanks Mayor Jan and through you. Thank

3647
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:23,040
you so much. Um, so are we going to

3648
02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:25,120
eventually get to station five or have

3649
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:28,479
we determined that station five is okay?

3650
02:49:28,479 --> 02:49:30,399
This one was just in worse shape. Can

3651
02:49:30,399 --> 02:49:31,600
you just give us a little bit of context

3652
02:49:31,600 --> 02:49:33,760
there why it changed?

3653
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:35,830
>> So the project So through your worship.

3654
02:49:35,830 --> 02:49:35,840
» So the project So through your worship.

3655
02:49:35,840 --> 02:49:37,520
So the project came in through the fire

3656
02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:38,880
department based on the needs of the of

3657
02:49:38,880 --> 02:49:42,000
of the department. The intent was to

3658
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:46,080
expand the services at fire station 5.

3659
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:48,239
Then an assessment was done where it was

3660
02:49:48,239 --> 02:49:50,479
determined that the actual need was in

3661
02:49:50,479 --> 02:49:53,439
fire station 4 and not fire station 5.

3662
02:49:53,439 --> 02:49:56,800
Hence why the project was changed from

3663
02:49:56,800 --> 02:50:00,720
fire station 5 to fire station 4. Um and

3664
02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:02,560
the construction reflects it.

3665
02:50:02,560 --> 02:50:04,319
professional service didn't because it

3666
02:50:04,319 --> 02:50:06,239
had started when that assessment was

3667
02:50:06,239 --> 02:50:08,640
completed by the fire department.

3668
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:10,950
>> Okay.

3669
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:10,960
» Okay.

3670
02:50:10,960 --> 02:50:15,279
Councelor Shwary, Mayor Leot, um for the

3671
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:18,160
sake of public, not everybody knows the

3672
02:50:18,160 --> 02:50:22,080
address of station four or five or like

3673
02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:24,000
I I had to look it up because I can't

3674
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:26,960
remember. But it's it's good to let them

3675
02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:28,720
know where it's located, the address

3676
02:50:28,720 --> 02:50:30,160
because it's nowhere on here.

3677
02:50:30,160 --> 02:50:31,590
>> Okay. Off the top of my head, I would

3678
02:50:31,590 --> 02:50:31,600
» Okay. Off the top of my head, I would

3679
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:33,760
not know that

3680
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:34,389
>> St. Andrew

3681
02:50:34,389 --> 02:50:34,399
» St. Andrew

3682
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:36,550
>> through you, Mayor Leot. Excuse me.

3683
02:50:36,550 --> 02:50:36,560
» through you, Mayor Leot. Excuse me.

3684
02:50:36,560 --> 02:50:40,640
Station five is on Main Street and uh

3685
02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:42,560
station 4 is on St. Andrew Street at the

3686
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:45,040
top of the hill. Um just to go back to

3687
02:50:45,040 --> 02:50:47,040
your question, councelor Roberts, the

3688
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:50,399
reason why um uh Chief Arnold had

3689
02:50:50,399 --> 02:50:52,479
switched, our data showed us that the

3690
02:50:52,479 --> 02:50:54,399
call volume had switched from station 5

3691
02:50:54,399 --> 02:50:56,479
to station 4. So the call volume went up

3692
02:50:56,479 --> 02:50:58,800
on station 4. The other piece that uh we

3693
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:01,920
were looking at is geography. So if we

3694
02:51:01,920 --> 02:51:04,160
need to get uh two stations or eight

3695
02:51:04,160 --> 02:51:06,720
firefighters to a fire scene in 8

3696
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:08,800
minutes, it's a lot harder uh

3697
02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:11,840
geographically in station four's area.

3698
02:51:11,840 --> 02:51:13,680
So by doubling that up now, we can

3699
02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:15,439
almost guarantee that we're going to hit

3700
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:17,199
that benchmark. Five is a little bit

3701
02:51:17,199 --> 02:51:19,120
easier because you have station one in

3702
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:20,960
that area that can come down and assist

3703
02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:23,600
them. So that was kind of the the data

3704
02:51:23,600 --> 02:51:28,479
behind why we we we switched. Councelor

3705
02:51:28,479 --> 02:51:31,199
Kempson.

3706
02:51:31,199 --> 02:51:32,870
>> Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And I

3707
02:51:32,870 --> 02:51:32,880
» Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And I

3708
02:51:32,880 --> 02:51:36,640
may be following along with your thought

3709
02:51:36,640 --> 02:51:42,000
process. So when we approved

3710
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:46,319
the renovations to station five

3711
02:51:46,319 --> 02:51:49,359
first, but then the decision was made to

3712
02:51:49,359 --> 02:51:51,920
change or to reallocate those funds to

3713
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:54,880
station four.

3714
02:51:54,880 --> 02:51:58,319
Other than council approving the fire

3715
02:51:58,319 --> 02:52:02,160
master plan, which I guess indicated the

3716
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:04,880
necessity for this change,

3717
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:10,160
did who made the decision to alter what

3718
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:13,120
council had already approved or did we

3719
02:52:13,120 --> 02:52:16,399
do that by approving the fire master

3720
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:18,239
plan

3721
02:52:18,239 --> 02:52:21,670
>> through your worship? So

3722
02:52:21,670 --> 02:52:21,680
» through your worship? So

3723
02:52:21,680 --> 02:52:25,840
fire station so council approved the

3724
02:52:25,840 --> 02:52:28,319
budget process the capital projects in

3725
02:52:28,319 --> 02:52:32,080
2025. So that change was done in through

3726
02:52:32,080 --> 02:52:35,920
the capital budget and process in 2024

3727
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:37,840
and we received council's approval to do

3728
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:39,359
that. So it was passed along with the

3729
02:52:39,359 --> 02:52:43,680
budget. So in 2025 fire station 4 was

3730
02:52:43,680 --> 02:52:48,229
was design was approved.

3731
02:52:48,239 --> 02:52:51,199
» Okay. Thank you. That makes sense.

3732
02:52:51,199 --> 02:52:54,070
>> Okay, now you've got me again. So I

3733
02:52:54,070 --> 02:52:54,080
» Okay, now you've got me again. So I

3734
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:56,479
understand it and I and and I remember

3735
02:52:56,479 --> 02:52:58,319
the presentations talking about the

3736
02:52:58,319 --> 02:53:01,359
switch over to station four because of

3737
02:53:01,359 --> 02:53:04,319
the need there. It had been mistakenly

3738
02:53:04,319 --> 02:53:06,080
thought it should be station five, but

3739
02:53:06,080 --> 02:53:07,920
it turned out to be station four that

3740
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:10,160
needed and council went along with that

3741
02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:13,439
and agreed with that. Um, and I realize

3742
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:15,600
you didn't make the budget decisions. I

3743
02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:17,840
I understand that you you're up here

3744
02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:19,439
though speaking to something that you

3745
02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:23,120
had no play in. Um so you're asking for

3746
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:26,160
47% more than what was actually budgeted

3747
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:30,319
for. Um I got that amount from

3748
02:53:30,319 --> 02:53:31,590
>> That's correct.

3749
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:31,600
» That's correct.

3750
02:53:31,600 --> 02:53:34,469
>> Yes. Um,

3751
02:53:34,469 --> 02:53:34,479
» Yes. Um,

3752
02:53:34,479 --> 02:53:38,000
so it when we decided during the budget

3753
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:42,239
cycle for 2026 to go with station 4,

3754
02:53:42,239 --> 02:53:44,080
then you were caught at the end of the

3755
02:53:44,080 --> 02:53:46,479
year with nobody to do that change in

3756
02:53:46,479 --> 02:53:48,800
the budget, right? So that's that's not

3757
02:53:48,800 --> 02:53:50,800
that was that's not on you. You're now

3758
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:53,600
coming to say

3759
02:53:53,600 --> 02:53:56,080
this wasn't done, should have been done,

3760
02:53:56,080 --> 02:53:59,840
wasn't done. It's not bad on you, but

3761
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:02,000
you're telling us you cannot do what we

3762
02:54:02,000 --> 02:54:04,080
voted to have done without this

3763
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:06,239
increase. Correct.

3764
02:54:06,239 --> 02:54:07,590
>> That is correct. We worship.

3765
02:54:07,590 --> 02:54:07,600
» That is correct. We worship.

3766
02:54:07,600 --> 02:54:10,070
>> Okay, I got it.

3767
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:10,080
» Okay, I got it.

3768
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:11,840
Okay. Does anybody else have any

3769
02:54:11,840 --> 02:54:14,640
questions?

3770
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:17,600
Oh. Oh, councelor,

3771
02:54:17,600 --> 02:54:18,160
go ahead.

3772
02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:20,710
>> Yes. Thank you, uh, Mayor Liot. Um, I

3773
02:54:20,710 --> 02:54:20,720
» Yes. Thank you, uh, Mayor Liot. Um, I

3774
02:54:20,720 --> 02:54:23,600
have questions about the reserve fund.

3775
02:54:23,600 --> 02:54:28,560
Um, on page 476 of our materials,

3776
02:54:28,560 --> 02:54:30,800
uh, it, uh, speaks of the development

3777
02:54:30,800 --> 02:54:34,640
charges fire services reserve fund. I'm

3778
02:54:34,640 --> 02:54:36,880
wondering, uh, what is the status of

3779
02:54:36,880 --> 02:54:39,680
that fund and after this additional draw

3780
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:42,000
down of it, how much will be left? I

3781
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:44,640
wonder if I could have answers to those

3782
02:54:44,640 --> 02:54:46,319
questions.

3783
02:54:46,319 --> 02:54:50,710
>> Sheena, can you speak to that please?

3784
02:54:50,720 --> 02:54:53,040
» Thank you. through you, Mayor Leget. I

3785
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:56,399
do not have that information on hand at

3786
02:54:56,399 --> 02:54:59,600
the moment. I would need a moment to um

3787
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:02,720
pull up that figure for you. However, I

3788
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:04,399
can say with certainty that I have

3789
02:55:04,399 --> 02:55:07,120
connected with staff prior to the

3790
02:55:07,120 --> 02:55:09,199
issuance of this report and there was

3791
02:55:09,199 --> 02:55:11,520
adequate reserve dollars in the

3792
02:55:11,520 --> 02:55:14,160
development charge reserve for this

3793
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:21,110
expenditure.

3794
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:24,080
Okay. Um, and you're assuring us that

3795
02:55:24,080 --> 02:55:26,399
it's going to be $105,000 and you're not

3796
02:55:26,399 --> 02:55:28,319
going to be asking for for more money in

3797
02:55:28,319 --> 02:55:30,479
like a couple of months from us. Just

3798
02:55:30,479 --> 02:55:33,279
just

3799
02:55:33,279 --> 02:55:35,680
I shouldn't hold you to that, should I?

3800
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:38,319
Don't answer. Yeah. Don't Oh, fine.

3801
02:55:38,319 --> 02:55:41,279
Fine. Help. You are. He's saying don't

3802
02:55:41,279 --> 02:55:45,279
answer. Uh, councelor Roberts.

3803
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:46,710
>> Yes. Sorry. Just one quick question.

3804
02:55:46,710 --> 02:55:46,720
» Yes. Sorry. Just one quick question.

3805
02:55:46,720 --> 02:55:48,560
Thanks, Mayor Jan. And while this

3806
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:50,720
construction is happening, this this um

3807
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:53,600
fire station is in my ward. Um what's

3808
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:55,520
going to happen in terms of fire

3809
02:55:55,520 --> 02:55:56,880
response? Are they still going to be

3810
02:55:56,880 --> 02:55:58,319
actively working out of that building or

3811
02:55:58,319 --> 02:56:00,319
are they going to have to be relocated?

3812
02:56:00,319 --> 02:56:02,080
How is that going to work logistically

3813
02:56:02,080 --> 02:56:05,110
>> through your worship? Um when um we have

3814
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:05,120
» through your worship? Um when um we have

3815
02:56:05,120 --> 02:56:07,199
fire stations under renovations, there's

3816
02:56:07,199 --> 02:56:09,040
temporary accommodation that's usually

3817
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:13,359
placed at or near the the site um while

3818
02:56:13,359 --> 02:56:16,160
the works is ongoing. And we tend to at

3819
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:18,239
times relocate certain staff to other

3820
02:56:18,239 --> 02:56:20,880
fire stations that has capacity.

3821
02:56:20,880 --> 02:56:22,800
But the goal is to ensure that response

3822
02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:24,080
time. We work with the fire department,

3823
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:25,680
make sure they have their adequate and

3824
02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:27,680
appropriate response times if for any

3825
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:28,800
emergencies.

3826
02:56:28,800 --> 02:56:32,229
>> Okay. Thank you.

3827
02:56:32,229 --> 02:56:32,239
» Okay. Thank you.

3828
02:56:32,239 --> 02:56:37,670
>> Okay. So, I think we're ready uh to

3829
02:56:37,670 --> 02:56:37,680
» Okay. So, I think we're ready uh to

3830
02:56:37,680 --> 02:56:39,279
Did we put the motion on the floor? Did

3831
02:56:39,279 --> 02:56:40,960
somebody read that? Okay. I'm starting

3832
02:56:40,960 --> 02:56:42,560
to lose track here. Okay. So, we're

3833
02:56:42,560 --> 02:56:54,229
ready for the vote.

3834
02:56:54,239 --> 02:57:03,990
timing is just bad here. Okay, opening.

3835
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:06,319
» Closing voting.

3836
02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:13,910
And that carries unanimously.

3837
02:57:13,920 --> 02:57:17,279
Okay, that was approved.

3838
02:57:17,279 --> 02:57:18,960
Um,

3839
02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:21,120
so what do I need to get? There's some

3840
02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:23,439
things we may not get to tonight. So,

3841
02:57:23,439 --> 02:57:25,199
I'm trying to skip around do the must

3842
02:57:25,199 --> 02:57:29,840
dos tonight. So the next would be the

3843
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:35,670
comprehensive

3844
02:57:35,680 --> 02:57:44,790
um

3845
02:57:44,800 --> 02:57:51,110
10

3846
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:53,520
» 11. Sorry.

3847
02:57:53,520 --> 02:57:56,309
>> No.

3848
02:57:56,309 --> 02:57:56,319
» No.

3849
02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:57,439
Yeah,

3850
02:57:57,439 --> 02:58:00,870
>> I'll stop presentation first.

3851
02:58:00,870 --> 02:58:00,880
» I'll stop presentation first.

3852
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:02,630
>> Okay. So, now we're going to move into

3853
02:58:02,630 --> 02:58:02,640
» Okay. So, now we're going to move into

3854
02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:04,479
consideration of reports and the first

3855
02:58:04,479 --> 02:58:08,000
report is 25-034PG

3856
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:10,479
comprehensive zoning bylaw review phase

3857
02:58:10,479 --> 02:58:13,760
one of based residential zones. And we

3858
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:15,359
have Brian Cooper, senior planner here

3859
02:58:15,359 --> 02:58:17,600
to present. Welcome, Brian again. Well,

3860
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:20,560
you've been here all night. So,

3861
02:58:20,560 --> 02:58:23,920
um, can you also in your presentation

3862
02:58:23,920 --> 02:58:26,160
address I think it was Mr. Re who spoke

3863
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:28,160
about the $250,000?

3864
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:30,000
Could you tell us if that's the correct

3865
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:31,920
amount?

3866
02:58:31,920 --> 02:58:34,070
>> Did you catch that when he said that?

3867
02:58:34,070 --> 02:58:34,080
» Did you catch that when he said that?

3868
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:35,510
>> Yes, I did. Thank Thank you, Madam

3869
02:58:35,510 --> 02:58:35,520
» Yes, I did. Thank Thank you, Madam

3870
02:58:35,520 --> 02:58:37,359
Mayor. I can I can speak to that. Maybe

3871
02:58:37,359 --> 02:58:40,399
I'll start with that uh before I forget.

3872
02:58:40,399 --> 02:58:43,359
Um so uh under the half program yes

3873
02:58:43,359 --> 02:58:46,560
there's a $250,000 aotment for

3874
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:48,080
professional services for this

3875
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:50,880
particular project itself but but you

3876
02:58:50,880 --> 02:58:52,319
know the entirety of the half program is

3877
02:58:52,319 --> 02:58:54,800
is far greater than that. So that that a

3878
02:58:54,800 --> 02:58:57,439
lotment was for professional services in

3879
02:58:57,439 --> 02:58:59,199
support of the zoning bylaw review. So

3880
02:58:59,199 --> 02:59:01,120
that helped pay for things like the

3881
02:59:01,120 --> 02:59:03,359
consultants that we retained that did

3882
02:59:03,359 --> 02:59:04,880
some of the engagement and some of the

3883
02:59:04,880 --> 02:59:06,640
visualizations and actually working on

3884
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:08,319
the bylaw itself. So that's where that

3885
02:59:08,319 --> 02:59:10,960
came from.

3886
02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:13,279
Okay, thank you. Go ahead.

3887
02:59:13,279 --> 02:59:14,870
>> Thank you and good evening, Mayor Liot,

3888
02:59:14,870 --> 02:59:14,880
» Thank you and good evening, Mayor Liot,

3889
02:59:14,880 --> 02:59:16,560
council, and the public. Tonight, I am

3890
02:59:16,560 --> 02:59:18,640
here to reintroduce the city zoning

3891
02:59:18,640 --> 02:59:20,399
review project, which was deferred in

3892
02:59:20,399 --> 02:59:22,880
December of last year. And the purpose

3893
02:59:22,880 --> 02:59:24,399
of this presentation is to provide

3894
02:59:24,399 --> 02:59:27,120
council with information and context to

3895
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:28,640
make a decision on this important

3896
02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:34,229
project.

3897
02:59:34,239 --> 02:59:36,479
So briefly on where we've been and what

3898
02:59:36,479 --> 02:59:38,960
we've done on this project uh which is

3899
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:42,000
which as you know is a half uh project.

3900
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:44,160
Um it started with introducing it to

3901
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:46,560
council formally um back in October of

3902
02:59:46,560 --> 02:59:48,880
2024 through a direction report and

3903
02:59:48,880 --> 02:59:50,880
following that we proceeded to update

3904
02:59:50,880 --> 02:59:52,479
the bylaw where it was received at a

3905
02:59:52,479 --> 02:59:55,439
statuto public meeting in May of 2025.

3906
02:59:55,439 --> 02:59:57,840
We completed a comprehensive engagement

3907
02:59:57,840 --> 02:59:59,279
program at the direction of council

3908
02:59:59,279 --> 03:00:01,600
through spring and summer of last year

3909
03:00:01,600 --> 03:00:04,000
and reported back on the results of that

3910
03:00:04,000 --> 03:00:07,680
engagement in October of 2025. This led

3911
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:09,359
to the staff recommended bylaw in

3912
03:00:09,359 --> 03:00:11,040
December which was deferred to tonight's

3913
03:00:11,040 --> 03:00:15,910
meeting.

3914
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:17,760
So a zoning bylaw is an important

3915
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:20,080
regulatory tool that sets out what

3916
03:00:20,080 --> 03:00:22,080
people can do on their property. things

3917
03:00:22,080 --> 03:00:24,640
like permitted uses, building heights,

3918
03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:26,319
parking requirements, and setbacks,

3919
03:00:26,319 --> 03:00:29,600
among other rules and regulations.

3920
03:00:29,600 --> 03:00:31,279
Um, a zoning bylaw is especially

3921
03:00:31,279 --> 03:00:33,199
important because it's the legal tool

3922
03:00:33,199 --> 03:00:35,680
that implements a city's official plan,

3923
03:00:35,680 --> 03:00:37,279
which is the long range vision created

3924
03:00:37,279 --> 03:00:39,199
by the community of how a city is to is

3925
03:00:39,199 --> 03:00:41,680
planned to grow over time. And so, the

3926
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:44,000
new zoning bylaw that we recommend is an

3927
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:45,680
opportunity for council to set the rules

3928
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:47,279
and the communitywide standards that new

3929
03:00:47,279 --> 03:00:49,840
housing must meet. And the last time

3930
03:00:49,840 --> 03:00:52,160
Cambridge Council had an opportunity to

3931
03:00:52,160 --> 03:00:54,080
set out the rules and new zoning bylaws

3932
03:00:54,080 --> 03:00:56,160
was back in 1986.

3933
03:00:56,160 --> 03:00:57,760
And the world and housing sector has

3934
03:00:57,760 --> 03:00:59,359
fundamentally changed since that point

3935
03:00:59,359 --> 03:01:02,239
in time. And this is evident in the in

3936
03:01:02,239 --> 03:01:03,920
with the increasing frequency of

3937
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:05,439
exceptions to the bylaw that we

3938
03:01:05,439 --> 03:01:07,680
routinely approve. To date, the city has

3939
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,760
processed over 500 exceptions to the

3940
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:11,520
bylaw.

3941
03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:13,120
A functioning zoning ball should be one

3942
03:01:13,120 --> 03:01:14,960
in which the city is not regularly

3943
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:17,439
amending it. Council should set the

3944
03:01:17,439 --> 03:01:18,800
rules in place and projects should

3945
03:01:18,800 --> 03:01:20,960
conform to those rules. And this is what

3946
03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:23,600
the recommended bylaw is intended to do.

3947
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:25,520
It will reduce the time, cost, and

3948
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:27,279
complexity of the rules for property

3949
03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:29,760
owners to support homes of all types by

3950
03:01:29,760 --> 03:01:31,760
all housing providers with regulations

3951
03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:36,309
established by council.

3952
03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:38,080
Now, the types of homes we're primarily

3953
03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:39,680
talking about are shown on the screen.

3954
03:01:39,680 --> 03:01:42,720
These are designs from CHC who created

3955
03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:45,120
uh building permit ready drawings that

3956
03:01:45,120 --> 03:01:47,680
can be used across Canada to expedite

3957
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:50,080
housing. So these are homes like single

3958
03:01:50,080 --> 03:01:51,920
and twotory additional residential

3959
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:54,239
units, stacked town houses and other

3960
03:01:54,239 --> 03:02:00,710
low-rise housing types.

3961
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:02,640
And these are some real world examples

3962
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,880
that have been built in Cambridge that

3963
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:08,160
are similar to that and which this bylaw

3964
03:02:08,160 --> 03:02:10,080
supports. So on the top left is an

3965
03:02:10,080 --> 03:02:12,800
example of an ARU above a garage, often

3966
03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:14,880
referred to as a coach house dwelling.

3967
03:02:14,880 --> 03:02:16,960
The top right is an example of a

3968
03:02:16,960 --> 03:02:18,960
townhouse project that was built onto an

3969
03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:20,479
existing heritage home that was retained

3970
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:22,960
and integrated into the project.

3971
03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:24,560
Infilled town houses are shown in the

3972
03:02:24,560 --> 03:02:27,359
bottom left. And finally, an example of

3973
03:02:27,359 --> 03:02:29,680
a purpose-built low-rise apartment. And

3974
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:31,359
this recommended bylaw really supports

3975
03:02:31,359 --> 03:02:33,680
all these housing types provided that

3976
03:02:33,680 --> 03:02:36,399
all the rules can be met on for for the

3977
03:02:36,399 --> 03:02:40,870
project.

3978
03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:42,880
Now, a lot of the conversation on zoning

3979
03:02:42,880 --> 03:02:45,359
and housing focuses on the private for

3980
03:02:45,359 --> 03:02:47,520
and for-profit sector, which makes sense

3981
03:02:47,520 --> 03:02:49,120
since this is the sector that builds

3982
03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:52,000
most housing in Canada. However, this

3983
03:02:52,000 --> 03:02:54,080
bio supports all housing providers. So,

3984
03:02:54,080 --> 03:02:56,560
on the screen is an example of a recent

3985
03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:58,399
co-ousing project that was built in

3986
03:02:58,399 --> 03:03:00,479
Ottawa. So, these four individuals came

3987
03:03:00,479 --> 03:03:02,319
together. They previously lived live

3988
03:03:02,319 --> 03:03:05,040
lived independently and came together to

3989
03:03:05,040 --> 03:03:06,720
build a co-ousing project where they

3990
03:03:06,720 --> 03:03:08,239
each have their own unit as well as

3991
03:03:08,239 --> 03:03:10,479
shared spaces. And this by supports

3992
03:03:10,479 --> 03:03:12,720
these types of grassroot innovative

3993
03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:15,040
housing options. In Cambridge, you

3994
03:03:15,040 --> 03:03:16,960
typically can't do this this type of

3995
03:03:16,960 --> 03:03:18,720
project without going through extensive

3996
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:20,319
planning applications like zoning and

3997
03:03:20,319 --> 03:03:22,399
official plan amendments which are cost

3998
03:03:22,399 --> 03:03:25,520
and time prohibitive to everyday people.

3999
03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:28,399
The bottom example are townos uh built

4000
03:03:28,399 --> 03:03:30,560
by the nonforprofit sector as another

4001
03:03:30,560 --> 03:03:32,080
example of the types of homes that this

4002
03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:37,670
bylaw supports.

4003
03:03:37,680 --> 03:03:39,680
So this chart summarizes some of the key

4004
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:41,040
standards of the existing and

4005
03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:44,000
recommended bylaw. The new bylaw updates

4006
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:45,840
the main rules that the city is

4007
03:03:45,840 --> 03:03:48,399
routinely amending housing type and

4008
03:03:48,399 --> 03:03:50,800
density limits. So in the current bylaw,

4009
03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:52,479
most residential zones only permit

4010
03:03:52,479 --> 03:03:55,199
singles with up to two arus. And this

4011
03:03:55,199 --> 03:03:57,040
new bylaw will permit all housing types

4012
03:03:57,040 --> 03:03:58,720
provided they meet requirements like

4013
03:03:58,720 --> 03:04:01,600
height setbacks, parking, landscaping,

4014
03:04:01,600 --> 03:04:04,479
and among other rules. The current bylaw

4015
03:04:04,479 --> 03:04:06,080
also limits the number of units through

4016
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:09,040
density controls. And so the new bylaw,

4017
03:04:09,040 --> 03:04:11,040
instead of having a density limit, uh

4018
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:12,560
the number of units is really limited

4019
03:04:12,560 --> 03:04:14,640
based on how a development fits on the

4020
03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:16,960
property. So those those requirements

4021
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:18,880
like parking and setbacks, that's what

4022
03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:20,479
constrains how many units can be built

4023
03:04:20,479 --> 03:04:22,880
on a property.

4024
03:04:22,880 --> 03:04:25,040
Many other regulations are the same or

4025
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:26,880
where there are gaps, the new bylaw

4026
03:04:26,880 --> 03:04:28,560
includes improvements. So building

4027
03:04:28,560 --> 03:04:31,359
heights, currently the bylaw has no

4028
03:04:31,359 --> 03:04:33,840
height limit for most residential areas

4029
03:04:33,840 --> 03:04:35,760
and the new bylaw introduces some

4030
03:04:35,760 --> 03:04:38,800
context appropriate uh building heights.

4031
03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:41,040
uh front yards. Uh we're introducing a

4032
03:04:41,040 --> 03:04:42,640
standard that requires the averaging of

4033
03:04:42,640 --> 03:04:44,319
front yards for new infill so that it

4034
03:04:44,319 --> 03:04:47,040
meets existing streetscapes. Side, rear

4035
03:04:47,040 --> 03:04:48,880
yard, and parking and parking

4036
03:04:48,880 --> 03:04:50,560
requirements are all similar between the

4037
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:55,750
two bylaws.

4038
03:04:55,760 --> 03:04:58,160
And so I I mentioned averaging of

4039
03:04:58,160 --> 03:05:00,080
sideyards. So this is what this image

4040
03:05:00,080 --> 03:05:02,160
illustrates this concept. Uh so this

4041
03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:04,880
this is a street where homes are built

4042
03:05:04,880 --> 03:05:07,120
quite far away from the the street. It's

4043
03:05:07,120 --> 03:05:08,880
a really defining attribute of that

4044
03:05:08,880 --> 03:05:13,199
street. And uh normally um you could

4045
03:05:13,199 --> 03:05:14,800
build all the way up to 6 mters from

4046
03:05:14,800 --> 03:05:16,160
this front lot line. And that's what

4047
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:18,560
that blue line shows. That's where

4048
03:05:18,560 --> 03:05:20,720
currently you could build a house uh in

4049
03:05:20,720 --> 03:05:23,680
this area of the city. The red line is

4050
03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:25,600
what the new bylaw would require and

4051
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:27,359
that's an averaging of the abuing

4052
03:05:27,359 --> 03:05:29,840
properties. That's the new setback for

4053
03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:32,239
this particular area. So that setback

4054
03:05:32,239 --> 03:05:34,000
shifts based on the context of the

4055
03:05:34,000 --> 03:05:36,239
street. And the gray area is an area

4056
03:05:36,239 --> 03:05:38,399
where no development can happen or it

4057
03:05:38,399 --> 03:05:40,000
cannot be severed. It could not be built

4058
03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:43,279
on based on this the street condition.

4059
03:05:43,279 --> 03:05:45,040
So this is a new regulation that's

4060
03:05:45,040 --> 03:05:46,640
designed to ensure new housing fits in

4061
03:05:46,640 --> 03:05:48,399
with existing street streetscapes which

4062
03:05:48,399 --> 03:05:49,520
is a defining character of

4063
03:05:49,520 --> 03:05:53,590
neighborhoods.

4064
03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:56,000
So the zoning review is one project of

4065
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:57,840
many that provide an opportunity for the

4066
03:05:57,840 --> 03:05:59,840
public to shape how the city grows. And

4067
03:05:59,840 --> 03:06:02,479
upcoming projects include the city's

4068
03:06:02,479 --> 03:06:05,680
official plan review which is uh to

4069
03:06:05,680 --> 03:06:08,000
start this year through 2028. Secondary

4070
03:06:08,000 --> 03:06:10,080
planning. We have ongoing secondary plan

4071
03:06:10,080 --> 03:06:11,840
reviews like the Preston secondary plan

4072
03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:14,479
study that'll result in updated uh

4073
03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:16,239
policies for that area of the city and

4074
03:06:16,239 --> 03:06:18,000
ultimately updated zoning regulations

4075
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:20,399
for that specific area of the city. Uh

4076
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:22,399
future zoning bylaw reviews. So every 5

4077
03:06:22,399 --> 03:06:24,800
years we'll be reviewing our bylaw where

4078
03:06:24,800 --> 03:06:27,359
it works where it can be improved. as

4079
03:06:27,359 --> 03:06:28,880
well as there will be opportunities for

4080
03:06:28,880 --> 03:06:30,960
public input through future sight

4081
03:06:30,960 --> 03:06:32,479
specific development applications like

4082
03:06:32,479 --> 03:06:34,640
subdivisions cases where zoning

4083
03:06:34,640 --> 03:06:36,720
amendments are still required as well as

4084
03:06:36,720 --> 03:06:38,800
minor variance in land division

4085
03:06:38,800 --> 03:06:42,229
applications.

4086
03:06:42,239 --> 03:06:43,920
And tonight's recommendation is that

4087
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:45,920
council adopt the updated zoning bylaw

4088
03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:47,359
which reflects provincial and city

4089
03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:49,680
official plan policies to help reduce

4090
03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:51,199
barriers in creating different types of

4091
03:06:51,199 --> 03:06:55,429
housing. Thank you.

4092
03:06:55,439 --> 03:06:59,670
are there any questions?

4093
03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:07,189
Councelor Roberts.

4094
03:07:07,199 --> 03:07:09,120
Thank you, Mayor Jan, and thanks so

4095
03:07:09,120 --> 03:07:11,439
much, Brian, for all your work on this

4096
03:07:11,439 --> 03:07:13,520
and for your presentation today. I have

4097
03:07:13,520 --> 03:07:14,560
a number of questions, but I'll just

4098
03:07:14,560 --> 03:07:17,920
start with one. Um, so one thing that

4099
03:07:17,920 --> 03:07:19,680
folks are are quite concerned about is

4100
03:07:19,680 --> 03:07:21,600
the having a single family home being

4101
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:23,279
demolished and like a large scale

4102
03:07:23,279 --> 03:07:25,120
development going into some of our

4103
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:27,040
existing residential neighborhoods. So

4104
03:07:27,040 --> 03:07:28,720
for example, on that one image that you

4105
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:30,880
showed with the four different um one

4106
03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:32,640
that might be more jarring for folks

4107
03:07:32,640 --> 03:07:34,319
would be like the stack townhouse, like

4108
03:07:34,319 --> 03:07:36,319
something like that happening in a in a

4109
03:07:36,319 --> 03:07:38,720
residential neighborhood. Um would most

4110
03:07:38,720 --> 03:07:42,640
of our typical um properties in

4111
03:07:42,640 --> 03:07:44,960
Cambridge allow for something like that

4112
03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:48,720
to happen or is I'll just leave it at

4113
03:07:48,720 --> 03:07:52,080
that. You madam mayor. So so no a

4114
03:07:52,080 --> 03:07:54,399
typical standard uh residential lot is

4115
03:07:54,399 --> 03:07:56,000
not going to allow a stack townhouse

4116
03:07:56,000 --> 03:07:58,239
development which is usually 12 units or

4117
03:07:58,239 --> 03:08:01,680
more right because 12 units requires uh

4118
03:08:01,680 --> 03:08:04,239
you know 1.25 spaces for parking per

4119
03:08:04,239 --> 03:08:05,840
unit. So that's quite a bit of parking.

4120
03:08:05,840 --> 03:08:07,840
you just physically can't accommodate

4121
03:08:07,840 --> 03:08:09,680
all the requirements of the bylaw,

4122
03:08:09,680 --> 03:08:13,199
setbacks, landscaping, parking, uh for

4123
03:08:13,199 --> 03:08:14,880
for that type of development. So

4124
03:08:14,880 --> 03:08:17,199
certainly larger lots, yes, there could

4125
03:08:17,199 --> 03:08:18,560
be opportunity for that style of

4126
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:21,120
housing, but but most lots would be

4127
03:08:21,120 --> 03:08:22,319
known.

4128
03:08:22,319 --> 03:08:25,750
>> Okay. Thank you,

4129
03:08:25,750 --> 03:08:25,760
» Okay. Thank you,

4130
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:27,910
>> Councelor Hamilton.

4131
03:08:27,910 --> 03:08:27,920
» Councelor Hamilton.

4132
03:08:27,920 --> 03:08:29,349
>> Thank you, Mayor Lean through you. Thank

4133
03:08:29,349 --> 03:08:29,359
» Thank you, Mayor Lean through you. Thank

4134
03:08:29,359 --> 03:08:30,319
you very much, Brian, for your

4135
03:08:30,319 --> 03:08:32,800
presentation. Um like council Roberts, I

4136
03:08:32,800 --> 03:08:34,080
have a few questions, but I'll start

4137
03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:36,960
with one. Um, I think a concern we've

4138
03:08:36,960 --> 03:08:38,800
heard consistently from the public is

4139
03:08:38,800 --> 03:08:40,239
that if we went with something like

4140
03:08:40,239 --> 03:08:42,479
foreignbased zoning that suddenly the

4141
03:08:42,479 --> 03:08:44,640
floodgates would open and we'd see this

4142
03:08:44,640 --> 03:08:47,120
unpredictable variety of housing emerge

4143
03:08:47,120 --> 03:08:48,399
that previously wouldn't have been

4144
03:08:48,399 --> 03:08:50,479
allowed. So, can I ask you would there

4145
03:08:50,479 --> 03:08:52,160
have been any projects that council may

4146
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:55,040
have previously rejected that would now

4147
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:56,399
be approved if we would have had the

4148
03:08:56,399 --> 03:08:59,920
form formbbased zoning in place?

4149
03:08:59,920 --> 03:09:02,469
>> Yeah, you madame mayor. So, from from my

4150
03:09:02,469 --> 03:09:02,479
» Yeah, you madame mayor. So, from from my

4151
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:04,479
experience, uh, I would say no. There

4152
03:09:04,479 --> 03:09:05,920
there haven't been applications that

4153
03:09:05,920 --> 03:09:08,399
council has rejected that this bylaw

4154
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:11,439
would would then enable. Uh the the

4155
03:09:11,439 --> 03:09:13,040
rules and regulations in this bylaw

4156
03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:14,640
really are in keeping with the type of

4157
03:09:14,640 --> 03:09:16,000
approvals that you're already giving

4158
03:09:16,000 --> 03:09:18,319
this council past councils have given.

4159
03:09:18,319 --> 03:09:21,279
So density housing types those sorts of

4160
03:09:21,279 --> 03:09:23,600
things and again the setbacks are very

4161
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:25,520
much similar to what we already have in

4162
03:09:25,520 --> 03:09:26,960
place now.

4163
03:09:26,960 --> 03:09:29,349
>> Right. Thank you

4164
03:09:29,349 --> 03:09:29,359
» Right. Thank you

4165
03:09:29,359 --> 03:09:31,990
>> councelor Roberts.

4166
03:09:31,990 --> 03:09:32,000
» councelor Roberts.

4167
03:09:32,000 --> 03:09:34,309
>> Thank you Mayor Jan. Um, so Brian, I

4168
03:09:34,309 --> 03:09:34,319
» Thank you Mayor Jan. Um, so Brian, I

4169
03:09:34,319 --> 03:09:37,040
know that um, in our agenda package on

4170
03:09:37,040 --> 03:09:39,760
page 347, you talk about transition um,

4171
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:41,920
regulations and so how those are going

4172
03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:44,239
to apply to some of the existing

4173
03:09:44,239 --> 03:09:45,680
applications or projects that we already

4174
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:48,239
have on the go. So I know um, in our our

4175
03:09:48,239 --> 03:09:50,160
correspondence package, which we had

4176
03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:52,319
that extra bit like little book, there

4177
03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:54,000
was a number of people reaching out with

4178
03:09:54,000 --> 03:09:56,479
concerns about specific projects. Are

4179
03:09:56,479 --> 03:09:58,399
all of those transition regulations

4180
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:00,239
going to, and I know you can't speak to

4181
03:10:00,239 --> 03:10:01,600
each and every one, but how are we going

4182
03:10:01,600 --> 03:10:04,319
to address all of those issues with

4183
03:10:04,319 --> 03:10:06,319
ongoing projects that aren't maybe going

4184
03:10:06,319 --> 03:10:07,840
to

4185
03:10:07,840 --> 03:10:10,640
work with this perfectly? How's that

4186
03:10:10,640 --> 03:10:12,800
going to work in the transition?

4187
03:10:12,800 --> 03:10:15,030
>> Yeah. So, um, in terms of transition

4188
03:10:15,030 --> 03:10:15,040
» Yeah. So, um, in terms of transition

4189
03:10:15,040 --> 03:10:18,239
regulations, um, this is a phase bylaw.

4190
03:10:18,239 --> 03:10:20,479
So, any project that has already gone

4191
03:10:20,479 --> 03:10:21,920
through council and received a sight

4192
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:24,160
specific approval, those remain in

4193
03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:26,160
place. those those projects will remain

4194
03:10:26,160 --> 03:10:28,800
under the existing bylaw that we have in

4195
03:10:28,800 --> 03:10:30,880
effect now. Ultimately, they would be

4196
03:10:30,880 --> 03:10:32,560
brought into the new bylaw through

4197
03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:34,160
review and we'd be reviewing those sight

4198
03:10:34,160 --> 03:10:36,000
specific amendments to make sure they

4199
03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:37,439
align and we're not creating undue

4200
03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:39,920
hardship. And and the other factor of

4201
03:10:39,920 --> 03:10:41,840
the uh transition regulations is

4202
03:10:41,840 --> 03:10:44,399
anything that's actually actively under

4203
03:10:44,399 --> 03:10:46,479
review right now will continue again

4204
03:10:46,479 --> 03:10:48,560
under the old bylaw. So if someone's

4205
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:50,640
made an amendment now and in the

4206
03:10:50,640 --> 03:10:52,640
process, the rules aren't suddenly

4207
03:10:52,640 --> 03:10:54,800
changing midstream for them.

4208
03:10:54,800 --> 03:10:57,990
>> Okay. Thank you,

4209
03:10:57,990 --> 03:10:58,000
» Okay. Thank you,

4210
03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:00,389
>> Councelor Kimson. Thank you very much,

4211
03:11:00,389 --> 03:11:00,399
» Councelor Kimson. Thank you very much,

4212
03:11:00,399 --> 03:11:04,080
Mayor Jan. and through you. Um,

4213
03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:05,920
on

4214
03:11:05,920 --> 03:11:08,080
page 48 of our agenda, which I'm not

4215
03:11:08,080 --> 03:11:09,840
sure what page it is of your report, it

4216
03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:11,680
talks about the minimum rear yard

4217
03:11:11,680 --> 03:11:13,199
setback

4218
03:11:13,199 --> 03:11:16,880
um, for a detached ARU to a laneway or a

4219
03:11:16,880 --> 03:11:20,399
street. Um, I'm thinking specifically

4220
03:11:20,399 --> 03:11:24,479
for properties that perhaps back onto a

4221
03:11:24,479 --> 03:11:27,600
collector or an arterial arterial road.

4222
03:11:27,600 --> 03:11:30,080
Um, and with that setback, the minimum

4223
03:11:30,080 --> 03:11:34,000
rear yard setback being reduced, is that

4224
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:36,319
going to cause difficulties with any

4225
03:11:36,319 --> 03:11:39,120
future road widening or is that

4226
03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:42,080
something where um we might take that

4227
03:11:42,080 --> 03:11:44,239
into consideration

4228
03:11:44,239 --> 03:11:47,600
um as far as

4229
03:11:47,600 --> 03:11:49,439
we're reducing the setback from the

4230
03:11:49,439 --> 03:11:51,120
property line, but there's already going

4231
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:53,840
to be enough space to allow for road

4232
03:11:53,840 --> 03:11:57,840
widening. I'm just thinking of um some

4233
03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:01,439
of the subdivisions that back onto

4234
03:12:01,439 --> 03:12:03,840
um roads such as McQueen Shaver or

4235
03:12:03,840 --> 03:12:06,720
something like that where it sort of is

4236
03:12:06,720 --> 03:12:10,080
the the end of the city. Right now it's

4237
03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:13,120
a new road, but might that at some point

4238
03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:15,439
be widened and is that something that's

4239
03:12:15,439 --> 03:12:18,960
going to cause difficulty in the future?

4240
03:12:18,960 --> 03:12:21,349
>> Yeah, it's a it's a good question. Um I

4241
03:12:21,349 --> 03:12:21,359
» Yeah, it's a it's a good question. Um I

4242
03:12:21,359 --> 03:12:24,319
would say most of the time um you know

4243
03:12:24,319 --> 03:12:26,720
through the subdivision review process

4244
03:12:26,720 --> 03:12:29,680
road widings are taken the ultimate road

4245
03:12:29,680 --> 03:12:32,960
requirement. So I wouldn't anticipate uh

4246
03:12:32,960 --> 03:12:37,439
that being an issue. Um

4247
03:12:37,439 --> 03:12:39,199
yeah, the the main the kind of the main

4248
03:12:39,199 --> 03:12:42,479
focus of that reduced setback is is uh

4249
03:12:42,479 --> 03:12:44,479
when it's adjacent to a lane really a

4250
03:12:44,479 --> 03:12:46,479
laneway condition is is what we envision

4251
03:12:46,479 --> 03:12:49,279
where that would would occur uh most

4252
03:12:49,279 --> 03:12:52,080
often. Um you know reg regional roads

4253
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:53,199
and things like that they're not going

4254
03:12:53,199 --> 03:12:56,080
to give an access permit for an ARU off

4255
03:12:56,080 --> 03:12:58,479
can parkway for example. So I wouldn't

4256
03:12:58,479 --> 03:13:00,080
imagine that would it would come into

4257
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:02,000
too much of an issue myself.

4258
03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:05,429
>> Thank you. Councelor

4259
03:13:05,429 --> 03:13:05,439
» Thank you. Councelor

4260
03:13:05,439 --> 03:13:06,800
Shbury. Thank

4261
03:13:06,800 --> 03:13:10,870
>> you, Mayor Liot. Um I just I can bring

4262
03:13:10,870 --> 03:13:10,880
» you, Mayor Liot. Um I just I can bring

4263
03:13:10,880 --> 03:13:13,359
up a point and then I have a question.

4264
03:13:13,359 --> 03:13:17,920
Um when you were saying a Brian that

4265
03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:19,920
you know in the like a question was

4266
03:13:19,920 --> 03:13:23,439
asked in the past um if something came

4267
03:13:23,439 --> 03:13:26,000
up to council we would we would not

4268
03:13:26,000 --> 03:13:27,600
approve it. I think it was actually

4269
03:13:27,600 --> 03:13:30,000
Scott Hamilton. did something ever like

4270
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:33,600
this say come up to council and we um

4271
03:13:33,600 --> 03:13:36,159
didn't approve it or approve it. So I

4272
03:13:36,159 --> 03:13:37,760
think that was kind of your question.

4273
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:40,880
So, what happened? Um, the reason I'm

4274
03:13:40,880 --> 03:13:44,000
concerned about the R1, for example,

4275
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:47,279
Ethel Street with the new zoning bylaw,

4276
03:13:47,279 --> 03:13:49,520
when it came to us, we said, "No, it's

4277
03:13:49,520 --> 03:13:51,680
single homes." You know, that, you know,

4278
03:13:51,680 --> 03:13:54,479
people paid a lot of money. It to put in

4279
03:13:54,479 --> 03:13:57,920
in that particular lot that was empty,

4280
03:13:57,920 --> 03:13:59,600
something other than single would not

4281
03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:03,359
fit. But that lot would have fit more

4282
03:14:03,359 --> 03:14:05,439
homes. it could have fit, you know, a

4283
03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:09,359
six blacker. Um, so now though with the

4284
03:14:09,359 --> 03:14:11,520
new zoning, that won't even come to

4285
03:14:11,520 --> 03:14:14,479
council, that wouldn't even come to to

4286
03:14:14,479 --> 03:14:16,720
the the people, the residents, it would

4287
03:14:16,720 --> 03:14:20,149
just go through.

4288
03:14:20,159 --> 03:14:23,120
» Yeah. If if a project meets the the

4289
03:14:23,120 --> 03:14:24,800
rules in in the bylaw that we've

4290
03:14:24,800 --> 03:14:27,520
recommended to you, correct? Uh it

4291
03:14:27,520 --> 03:14:30,640
wouldn't trigger a zoning amendment. Um

4292
03:14:30,640 --> 03:14:32,319
I'm not sure that particular example

4293
03:14:32,319 --> 03:14:33,600
that you're speaking to of

4294
03:14:33,600 --> 03:14:35,510
>> Yeah. I mean that's that would be an

4295
03:14:35,510 --> 03:14:35,520
» Yeah. I mean that's that would be an

4296
03:14:35,520 --> 03:14:37,920
example that in the past we would say no

4297
03:14:37,920 --> 03:14:41,600
but now people wouldn't even know.

4298
03:14:41,600 --> 03:14:43,110
>> Um

4299
03:14:43,110 --> 03:14:43,120
» Um

4300
03:14:43,120 --> 03:14:44,640
I'll come back. I have another question

4301
03:14:44,640 --> 03:14:47,359
but I'll wait for councelor Hamilton.

4302
03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:49,750
>> Do you want to sorry Bren if maybe miss

4303
03:14:49,750 --> 03:14:49,760
» Do you want to sorry Bren if maybe miss

4304
03:14:49,760 --> 03:14:56,229
Neie wanted to clarify or

4305
03:14:56,239 --> 03:14:58,399
» through the mayor. Could I ask you to

4306
03:14:58,399 --> 03:15:00,479
please repeat the question? And I was

4307
03:15:00,479 --> 03:15:04,870
troubleshooting another matter.

4308
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:19,189
» Uh yes.

4309
03:15:19,199 --> 03:15:22,239
» Thank Thank you. So my question was

4310
03:15:22,239 --> 03:15:24,239
because this is a concerning because

4311
03:15:24,239 --> 03:15:27,439
councelor Hamilton asked a question he I

4312
03:15:27,439 --> 03:15:31,120
can't repeat it verbatim but in the p in

4313
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:33,199
the past if something would come to us

4314
03:15:33,199 --> 03:15:35,359
and like we had a situation on Ethel

4315
03:15:35,359 --> 03:15:37,439
Street and Husper where there was a

4316
03:15:37,439 --> 03:15:39,760
bigger lot and you could fit more than

4317
03:15:39,760 --> 03:15:42,000
single homes in and right now there's

4318
03:15:42,000 --> 03:15:45,040
just you know lovely single homes there

4319
03:15:45,040 --> 03:15:48,800
but with this new bylaw now um you could

4320
03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:50,239
very easily

4321
03:15:50,239 --> 03:15:53,920
put in uh fourplex 6 plex and it

4322
03:15:53,920 --> 03:15:56,239
wouldn't even come to council and the

4323
03:15:56,239 --> 03:15:58,239
residents wouldn't even know or have a

4324
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:01,439
say. So that is my that's what the

4325
03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:04,000
concern is right now because you were

4326
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:08,000
saying I just wanted to clarify what you

4327
03:16:08,000 --> 03:16:11,199
said to um councelor Hamilton because

4328
03:16:11,199 --> 03:16:14,399
with this one now it would never come

4329
03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:16,640
before council with your new zoning

4330
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:19,120
bylaw

4331
03:16:19,120 --> 03:16:22,070
>> through the mayor um based on you know

4332
03:16:22,070 --> 03:16:22,080
» through the mayor um based on you know

4333
03:16:22,080 --> 03:16:24,720
kind of a rough history of applications.

4334
03:16:24,720 --> 03:16:28,960
We did do a review and um council has

4335
03:16:28,960 --> 03:16:33,520
been supportive of uh residential

4336
03:16:33,520 --> 03:16:38,080
applications that uh exceed the average

4337
03:16:38,080 --> 03:16:40,000
development that would occur as a result

4338
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:42,880
of this zoning bylaw, this new zoning

4339
03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:46,080
bylaw. And in terms of the maximum

4340
03:16:46,080 --> 03:16:48,319
number of units that could conceivably

4341
03:16:48,319 --> 03:16:52,159
fit on any given lot with this proposed

4342
03:16:52,159 --> 03:16:55,680
new zoning bylaw that the maximum number

4343
03:16:55,680 --> 03:16:58,479
of units becomes governed by the size of

4344
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:03,359
the site as um in terms of the maximum

4345
03:17:03,359 --> 03:17:05,040
volume of structure that could fit

4346
03:17:05,040 --> 03:17:10,239
within. And so I I think that we are

4347
03:17:10,239 --> 03:17:12,640
saying the same thing in different ways.

4348
03:17:12,640 --> 03:17:15,520
Uh but I wouldn't I wouldn't suggest

4349
03:17:15,520 --> 03:17:18,800
that the vast vast majority of lots

4350
03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:21,040
within the city of Cambridge would allow

4351
03:17:21,040 --> 03:17:24,960
for uh you know a 9 flex for example.

4352
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:27,760
Simply the available lot size would

4353
03:17:27,760 --> 03:17:30,000
constrain the number of units that could

4354
03:17:30,000 --> 03:17:33,279
conceivably fit on a lot. No, I I

4355
03:17:33,279 --> 03:17:35,279
understand that you're saying that, but

4356
03:17:35,279 --> 03:17:38,560
we have like a I just gave an example

4357
03:17:38,560 --> 03:17:42,080
where in a single family street, like

4358
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:45,600
single family homes, um beautiful homes,

4359
03:17:45,600 --> 03:17:48,239
you could very easily somebody could put

4360
03:17:48,239 --> 03:17:52,720
in um a request to build like a sixplex

4361
03:17:52,720 --> 03:17:54,800
because that is a big lot. And in those

4362
03:17:54,800 --> 03:17:57,040
cases, it would never the residents

4363
03:17:57,040 --> 03:17:59,279
could not complain about it or talk

4364
03:17:59,279 --> 03:18:01,439
about it and it would not become come

4365
03:18:01,439 --> 03:18:04,399
before council like it did before.

4366
03:18:04,399 --> 03:18:06,960
Excuse me. And we rejected it. I'm just

4367
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:09,760
I just want to bring that up and that is

4368
03:18:09,760 --> 03:18:11,279
that's what the case that's what you

4369
03:18:11,279 --> 03:18:13,760
said would happen

4370
03:18:13,760 --> 03:18:16,560
right

4371
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:19,439
through the chair through the mayor. Um

4372
03:18:19,439 --> 03:18:22,479
I guess I would need to see some example

4373
03:18:22,479 --> 03:18:25,840
of what you're referring to. Um the

4374
03:18:25,840 --> 03:18:28,000
provisions of the formbbased zoning

4375
03:18:28,000 --> 03:18:30,319
really mean that the overall structure

4376
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:34,159
of the house of the new structure would

4377
03:18:34,159 --> 03:18:35,840
match

4378
03:18:35,840 --> 03:18:38,479
sort of provisions such as setback

4379
03:18:38,479 --> 03:18:42,319
height of what uh people might expect to

4380
03:18:42,319 --> 03:18:44,960
see today on such lots. and but as

4381
03:18:44,960 --> 03:18:46,880
you're saying the actual number of lots

4382
03:18:46,880 --> 03:18:49,040
within that structure that would not be

4383
03:18:49,040 --> 03:18:52,159
a mechanism that would um lead to an

4384
03:18:52,159 --> 03:18:53,439
application that would come before

4385
03:18:53,439 --> 03:18:54,080
council.

4386
03:18:54,080 --> 03:18:58,229
>> Okay. Thank you

4387
03:18:58,239 --> 03:19:00,640
» councelor Hamilton.

4388
03:19:00,640 --> 03:19:03,990
>> Thank you Mayor Li and through you. Um

4389
03:19:03,990 --> 03:19:04,000
» Thank you Mayor Li and through you. Um

4390
03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:05,600
hi

4391
03:19:05,600 --> 03:19:08,880
welcome. Um my question has to do with

4392
03:19:08,880 --> 03:19:11,359
driveway length and parking. Uh on page

4393
03:19:11,359 --> 03:19:14,399
350, it basically says that staff don't

4394
03:19:14,399 --> 03:19:17,040
recommend the 8 m minimum driveway

4395
03:19:17,040 --> 03:19:20,080
requirement. Uh that 6 m is a typical

4396
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:24,239
standard. Um why do staff not recommend

4397
03:19:24,239 --> 03:19:26,960
the 8 m driveway length and would

4398
03:19:26,960 --> 03:19:29,199
changing it to 6 m have any knock-on

4399
03:19:29,199 --> 03:19:34,229
effects?

4400
03:19:34,239 --> 03:19:36,880
» Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh so

4401
03:19:36,880 --> 03:19:40,080
essentially 6 m is the standard. Uh it

4402
03:19:40,080 --> 03:19:42,880
accommodates virtually all vehicles. Um

4403
03:19:42,880 --> 03:19:46,239
most virtually all trucks. Some are are

4404
03:19:46,239 --> 03:19:48,479
slightly over that, but you know, as a

4405
03:19:48,479 --> 03:19:51,920
as a as a minimum standard, uh 6 m is

4406
03:19:51,920 --> 03:19:54,960
staff's position, you know, makes sense.

4407
03:19:54,960 --> 03:19:57,760
Um there's impacts on building design,

4408
03:19:57,760 --> 03:20:00,239
uh impacts on lot depth, uh something

4409
03:20:00,239 --> 03:20:01,760
has to give. Basically, it's either rear

4410
03:20:01,760 --> 03:20:04,720
yard setback reduces, uh living area

4411
03:20:04,720 --> 03:20:07,840
reduces, uh to accommodate that. So, so

4412
03:20:07,840 --> 03:20:09,279
in staff's position, it would be to

4413
03:20:09,279 --> 03:20:11,439
maintain the six. It's it's in it is in

4414
03:20:11,439 --> 03:20:13,359
the bylaw at at the direction of

4415
03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:14,960
council. However,

4416
03:20:14,960 --> 03:20:17,189
>> thank you,

4417
03:20:17,189 --> 03:20:17,199
» thank you,

4418
03:20:17,199 --> 03:20:19,269
>> councelor Meta,

4419
03:20:19,269 --> 03:20:19,279
» councelor Meta,

4420
03:20:19,279 --> 03:20:21,349
>> Mayor Jan through you and uh thank you

4421
03:20:21,349 --> 03:20:21,359
» Mayor Jan through you and uh thank you

4422
03:20:21,359 --> 03:20:23,199
to you both and the team for all the

4423
03:20:23,199 --> 03:20:25,520
work that you put into this. My question

4424
03:20:25,520 --> 03:20:28,159
is about um the land assemblies. Um

4425
03:20:28,159 --> 03:20:30,479
would that automatically trigger a

4426
03:20:30,479 --> 03:20:32,239
zoning change? I know it would it would

4427
03:20:32,239 --> 03:20:35,040
depend on the number of units and stuff,

4428
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:37,680
but if I bought two houses on Biscane

4429
03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:39,359
and wanted to knock them down and put in

4430
03:20:39,359 --> 03:20:41,920
a row of town houses, would I be able to

4431
03:20:41,920 --> 03:20:45,199
do that without council approval within

4432
03:20:45,199 --> 03:20:47,520
um like within certain parameters? Of

4433
03:20:47,520 --> 03:20:49,920
course, would that be possible or do you

4434
03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:52,239
think that would be radical enough to

4435
03:20:52,239 --> 03:20:54,159
attract um to create the need for like a

4436
03:20:54,159 --> 03:20:56,800
zone change and go through the process?

4437
03:20:56,800 --> 03:20:57,910
>> Thank you.

4438
03:20:57,910 --> 03:20:57,920
» Thank you.

4439
03:20:57,920 --> 03:20:59,830
>> Through you, madame mayor. So in terms

4440
03:20:59,830 --> 03:20:59,840
» Through you, madame mayor. So in terms

4441
03:20:59,840 --> 03:21:01,520
of land assembly, typically that's going

4442
03:21:01,520 --> 03:21:03,840
to require um still some public input

4443
03:21:03,840 --> 03:21:06,399
through a a consent application can be

4444
03:21:06,399 --> 03:21:08,800
of adjustment. So assembling land,

4445
03:21:08,800 --> 03:21:10,640
right, through a lot addition would

4446
03:21:10,640 --> 03:21:12,399
trigger that. So there's opportunity for

4447
03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:15,279
input. Um but yes, in theory, yeah, you

4448
03:21:15,279 --> 03:21:17,600
could acquire one or two properties and

4449
03:21:17,600 --> 03:21:20,159
that would expand your buildable area

4450
03:21:20,159 --> 03:21:22,080
and potentially allow for something

4451
03:21:22,080 --> 03:21:23,439
greater than what would only be allowed

4452
03:21:23,439 --> 03:21:27,269
on one.

4453
03:21:27,279 --> 03:21:30,239
» Correct. And so through if if they did

4454
03:21:30,239 --> 03:21:33,120
assemble it goes through through uh

4455
03:21:33,120 --> 03:21:34,399
committ adjustment that is a

4456
03:21:34,399 --> 03:21:36,880
notification process public meeting

4457
03:21:36,880 --> 03:21:39,520
conditions can be attached uh through

4458
03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:41,840
through um consent applications. So

4459
03:21:41,840 --> 03:21:44,479
there's uh this is just one zoning is

4460
03:21:44,479 --> 03:21:46,560
one piece of

4461
03:21:46,560 --> 03:21:50,399
the multiple uh planning uh you know

4462
03:21:50,399 --> 03:21:52,640
applications and processes that go into

4463
03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:54,239
land development. This is one part of

4464
03:21:54,239 --> 03:21:57,199
it.

4465
03:21:57,199 --> 03:21:59,279
Councelor Kinson.

4466
03:21:59,279 --> 03:22:01,750
>> Thank you very much. Mayor Jan, um could

4467
03:22:01,750 --> 03:22:01,760
» Thank you very much. Mayor Jan, um could

4468
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:05,040
you provide some information to us on

4469
03:22:05,040 --> 03:22:07,760
the process if somebody purchased a

4470
03:22:07,760 --> 03:22:10,640
property? Um for example, wanted to

4471
03:22:10,640 --> 03:22:12,960
demolish the existing single family

4472
03:22:12,960 --> 03:22:16,239
house that was on it to build something

4473
03:22:16,239 --> 03:22:19,439
else that would fit within the envelope.

4474
03:22:19,439 --> 03:22:22,239
Is there a process to go through to

4475
03:22:22,239 --> 03:22:24,399
allow someone to demolish an existing

4476
03:22:24,399 --> 03:22:27,439
property? And how does that work?

4477
03:22:27,439 --> 03:22:29,439
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes, we have uh

4478
03:22:29,439 --> 03:22:30,800
you know, permits are required to

4479
03:22:30,800 --> 03:22:34,560
demolish uh correct me if I'm wrong,

4480
03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:36,159
demolition control bylaw we have in

4481
03:22:36,159 --> 03:22:38,080
effect of the city now, which is

4482
03:22:38,080 --> 03:22:40,720
something relatively new. Um so there is

4483
03:22:40,720 --> 03:22:43,279
a process involved with demolition. Um

4484
03:22:43,279 --> 03:22:45,359
we also have an online portal for all

4485
03:22:45,359 --> 03:22:47,920
permit applications, so you can find out

4486
03:22:47,920 --> 03:22:50,880
what's happening uh by by looking up a

4487
03:22:50,880 --> 03:22:52,960
property and things like that.

4488
03:22:52,960 --> 03:22:57,189
>> May I follow up? Thank you. Um for the

4489
03:22:57,189 --> 03:22:57,199
» May I follow up? Thank you. Um for the

4490
03:22:57,199 --> 03:22:59,199
demolition process, is that something

4491
03:22:59,199 --> 03:23:01,439
that is made public? Like would um

4492
03:23:01,439 --> 03:23:03,359
neighboring residents be aware that an

4493
03:23:03,359 --> 03:23:05,040
application has gone in to demolish

4494
03:23:05,040 --> 03:23:08,399
something or that process is someone

4495
03:23:08,399 --> 03:23:10,880
would apply, fill out an application,

4496
03:23:10,880 --> 03:23:12,880
and unless someone knew to look, they

4497
03:23:12,880 --> 03:23:15,680
wouldn't know until it was done.

4498
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:17,670
>> I'm not familiar myself with uh the

4499
03:23:17,670 --> 03:23:17,680
» I'm not familiar myself with uh the

4500
03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:19,439
demolition control bylaw. So perhaps I

4501
03:23:19,439 --> 03:23:22,720
could refer that to Mr. Bombberg or or

4502
03:23:22,720 --> 03:23:26,399
is that a matter?

4503
03:23:26,399 --> 03:23:28,239
Thank you. Through you, your worship to

4504
03:23:28,239 --> 03:23:30,800
to answer councelor Kimson's question.

4505
03:23:30,800 --> 03:23:33,520
Um, if someone's looking for a

4506
03:23:33,520 --> 03:23:36,640
demolition building permit or frankly a

4507
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:38,960
building permit, if it complies with the

4508
03:23:38,960 --> 03:23:40,880
Ontario building code, there is no

4509
03:23:40,880 --> 03:23:43,279
notification to the public. It's a

4510
03:23:43,279 --> 03:23:45,920
decision by the chief building official.

4511
03:23:45,920 --> 03:23:48,479
um provided that the applicant conforms

4512
03:23:48,479 --> 03:23:52,159
to the Ontario building code um the

4513
03:23:52,159 --> 03:23:54,800
chief building official has to issue the

4514
03:23:54,800 --> 03:23:57,120
permit. So there is no public process,

4515
03:23:57,120 --> 03:23:59,439
there's no notification.

4516
03:23:59,439 --> 03:24:01,920
Um so I I hope that answers your

4517
03:24:01,920 --> 03:24:04,239
question.

4518
03:24:04,239 --> 03:24:06,550
>> If I may follow up on that. So, is that

4519
03:24:06,550 --> 03:24:06,560
» If I may follow up on that. So, is that

4520
03:24:06,560 --> 03:24:10,399
that there's no notification of the

4521
03:24:10,399 --> 03:24:13,600
application for demolition or there's no

4522
03:24:13,600 --> 03:24:15,920
notification of the application to build

4523
03:24:15,920 --> 03:24:20,950
or both? Just to make sure we're clear.

4524
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:23,040
» That's for both.

4525
03:24:23,040 --> 03:24:27,590
>> Thank you.

4526
03:24:27,600 --> 03:24:32,630
» Are there any other questions?

4527
03:24:32,640 --> 03:24:37,760
I see none. And um

4528
03:24:37,760 --> 03:24:39,520
what we're going to do is put the main

4529
03:24:39,520 --> 03:24:42,560
motion on the floor before amendments.

4530
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:45,670
Um

4531
03:24:45,680 --> 03:24:47,279
to make it easier for those following

4532
03:24:47,279 --> 03:24:49,680
the meeting, we'll do that first and

4533
03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:55,359
then we'll proceed to amendments once um

4534
03:24:55,359 --> 03:24:57,279
or have we done that part? We've done

4535
03:24:57,279 --> 03:25:00,080
that part, right?

4536
03:25:00,080 --> 03:25:01,110
>> We just did.

4537
03:25:01,110 --> 03:25:01,120
» We just did.

4538
03:25:01,120 --> 03:25:03,269
>> All right. Okay. So now we'll put the

4539
03:25:03,269 --> 03:25:03,279
» All right. Okay. So now we'll put the

4540
03:25:03,279 --> 03:25:04,560
main motion on the floor. Councelor

4541
03:25:04,560 --> 03:25:07,590
Ernshaw.

4542
03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:09,439
» Yes. Thank you, Mayor Liot. moved by me

4543
03:25:09,439 --> 03:25:12,479
and seconded by councelor Hamilton that

4544
03:25:12,479 --> 03:25:16,399
appendix B of report 25-034-

4545
03:25:16,399 --> 03:25:20,080
PG phase 1 comprehensive zoning bylaw be

4546
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:22,880
presented to council for enactment

4547
03:25:22,880 --> 03:25:27,120
and that appendix C of report 25-034-

4548
03:25:27,120 --> 03:25:30,479
PG official plan amendment number 91 be

4549
03:25:30,479 --> 03:25:33,279
presented to council for adoption

4550
03:25:33,279 --> 03:25:35,199
and further that in accordance with

4551
03:25:35,199 --> 03:25:37,840
subsection 17 of section 34 of the

4552
03:25:37,840 --> 03:25:39,920
planning act. City council has

4553
03:25:39,920 --> 03:25:41,920
determined that no further public notice

4554
03:25:41,920 --> 03:25:44,720
is required related to the changes to

4555
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:47,760
the proposed zoning bylaw and official

4556
03:25:47,760 --> 03:25:54,710
plan amendment.

4557
03:25:54,720 --> 03:25:56,479
Do we have any more questions on the

4558
03:25:56,479 --> 03:26:00,469
main motion?

4559
03:26:00,479 --> 03:26:03,199
Okay. So, the first amendment is uh

4560
03:26:03,199 --> 03:26:05,439
councelor Schwer, you have um an

4561
03:26:05,439 --> 03:26:16,790
amendment on home occupations.

4562
03:26:16,800 --> 03:26:18,880
» Thank Thank you, Mayor Le. So my first

4563
03:26:18,880 --> 03:26:22,720
amendment um would be

4564
03:26:22,720 --> 03:26:26,560
for the um formbbased residential zone

4565
03:26:26,560 --> 03:26:29,680
phase one that moved by myself seconded

4566
03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:33,840
by councelor Divine that subsection 4.8

4567
03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:37,520
bracket D of the home occupations bylaw

4568
03:26:37,520 --> 03:26:41,279
be removed for further review.

4569
03:26:41,279 --> 03:26:43,040
Can you tell us what page of the agenda

4570
03:26:43,040 --> 03:26:49,189
that's on?

4571
03:26:49,199 --> 03:26:50,000
Sorry.

4572
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:51,830
>> Appendix B page 50.

4573
03:26:51,830 --> 03:26:51,840
» Appendix B page 50.

4574
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:53,830
>> Page 50

4575
03:26:53,830 --> 03:26:53,840
» Page 50

4576
03:26:53,840 --> 03:26:56,469
>> of the agenda.

4577
03:26:56,469 --> 03:26:56,479
» of the agenda.

4578
03:26:56,479 --> 03:26:58,550
>> The big agenda

4579
03:26:58,550 --> 03:26:58,560
» The big agenda

4580
03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:01,990
>> or

4581
03:27:02,000 --> 03:27:08,229
in the zoning by

4582
03:27:08,239 --> 03:27:10,239
» just so we're all on the literally on

4583
03:27:10,239 --> 03:27:16,309
the same page here.

4584
03:27:16,319 --> 03:27:18,399
Could you speak to that now then?

4585
03:27:18,399 --> 03:27:21,030
>> Um yeah, yes I guess yes I can. Uh

4586
03:27:21,030 --> 03:27:21,040
» Um yeah, yes I guess yes I can. Uh

4587
03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:24,399
currently currently this bylaw um

4588
03:27:24,399 --> 03:27:27,040
prohibits home businesses from having

4589
03:27:27,040 --> 03:27:31,359
more than three clients and it's um I

4590
03:27:31,359 --> 03:27:34,159
think it's more review needs into that

4591
03:27:34,159 --> 03:27:36,159
into this because I mean there's

4592
03:27:36,159 --> 03:27:38,640
babysitters it could there's multiple

4593
03:27:38,640 --> 03:27:41,359
home businesses and to limit them all to

4594
03:27:41,359 --> 03:27:43,600
three doesn't seem right and I feel that

4595
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:48,950
we should really uh look at it deeper.

4596
03:27:48,960 --> 03:27:50,800
So, I have a question from staff. So,

4597
03:27:50,800 --> 03:27:53,279
when you have a daycare,

4598
03:27:53,279 --> 03:27:55,359
you're allowed

4599
03:27:55,359 --> 03:27:58,159
five children

4600
03:27:58,159 --> 03:28:01,920
according to the bylaws, right?

4601
03:28:01,920 --> 03:28:04,000
The provincial bylaw, provincial

4602
03:28:04,000 --> 03:28:05,439
regulations, you're allowed to have

4603
03:28:05,439 --> 03:28:08,479
five. And we don't we don't um regulate

4604
03:28:08,479 --> 03:28:10,239
that because the province already has

4605
03:28:10,239 --> 03:28:12,560
allowed it. Correct. I I'm saying that

4606
03:28:12,560 --> 03:28:16,319
because you said you're thinking two is

4607
03:28:16,319 --> 03:28:18,479
a babysitter, but it's regulated on the

4608
03:28:18,479 --> 03:28:21,359
provincial.

4609
03:28:21,359 --> 03:28:23,510
>> So So the two for babysitting wouldn't

4610
03:28:23,510 --> 03:28:23,520
» So So the two for babysitting wouldn't

4611
03:28:23,520 --> 03:28:25,520
even come into this.

4612
03:28:25,520 --> 03:28:29,269
>> Um if so child care, home home daycare

4613
03:28:29,269 --> 03:28:29,279
» Um if so child care, home home daycare

4614
03:28:29,279 --> 03:28:32,239
is it's a separate use. You're correct.

4615
03:28:32,239 --> 03:28:34,479
It's regulated by the province. Uh home

4616
03:28:34,479 --> 03:28:36,080
occupations are things like home

4617
03:28:36,080 --> 03:28:37,840
businesses, an accountant or something

4618
03:28:37,840 --> 03:28:40,560
like that. So, um it wouldn't get uh a

4619
03:28:40,560 --> 03:28:42,080
home daycare wouldn't get caught up in

4620
03:28:42,080 --> 03:28:45,120
that that that um limit of of three

4621
03:28:45,120 --> 03:28:48,479
clients. Um yeah.

4622
03:28:48,479 --> 03:28:49,830
>> Okay. So, can you use some other

4623
03:28:49,830 --> 03:28:49,840
» Okay. So, can you use some other

4624
03:28:49,840 --> 03:28:51,920
examples then coun?

4625
03:28:51,920 --> 03:28:54,149
>> Yeah. Yeah, sure. So, the one that came

4626
03:28:54,149 --> 03:28:54,159
» Yeah. Yeah, sure. So, the one that came

4627
03:28:54,159 --> 03:28:56,399
to my attention, what made me think

4628
03:28:56,399 --> 03:29:01,199
about it was that um that home um the

4629
03:29:01,199 --> 03:29:04,159
art teacher um where she, you know, she

4630
03:29:04,159 --> 03:29:06,479
wanted she's only allowed three, but you

4631
03:29:06,479 --> 03:29:08,319
know, could be four people or five

4632
03:29:08,319 --> 03:29:10,720
people that she could accommodate and

4633
03:29:10,720 --> 03:29:14,319
teach um kids, for example, to color or

4634
03:29:14,319 --> 03:29:17,199
to paint or to do art. That's just one

4635
03:29:17,199 --> 03:29:20,000
example. Um could be other types of

4636
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:23,199
businesses. So before we do this blanket

4637
03:29:23,199 --> 03:29:25,760
only three clients are permitted. I just

4638
03:29:25,760 --> 03:29:27,760
feel that we need a bit more review in

4639
03:29:27,760 --> 03:29:29,439
that area and look at different

4640
03:29:29,439 --> 03:29:31,600
scenarios.

4641
03:29:31,600 --> 03:29:34,960
So that would be my my uh motion to

4642
03:29:34,960 --> 03:29:37,359
amend at this time.

4643
03:29:37,359 --> 03:29:40,309
>> Councelor Divine.

4644
03:29:40,309 --> 03:29:40,319
» Councelor Divine.

4645
03:29:40,319 --> 03:29:43,750
>> Yes. Thank you the chair.

4646
03:29:43,750 --> 03:29:43,760
» Yes. Thank you the chair.

4647
03:29:43,760 --> 03:29:45,670
>> It's no secret that co changed the

4648
03:29:45,670 --> 03:29:45,680
» It's no secret that co changed the

4649
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:47,359
world.

4650
03:29:47,359 --> 03:29:50,640
Okay. Um, we have a lot of uh very high

4651
03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:52,319
price real estate in Toronto that

4652
03:29:52,319 --> 03:29:53,760
doesn't have too many people in any

4653
03:29:53,760 --> 03:29:56,080
longer. There's a lot of homebased

4654
03:29:56,080 --> 03:29:58,319
businesses that weren't there before.

4655
03:29:58,319 --> 03:30:00,479
And I have absolutely no problem just

4656
03:30:00,479 --> 03:30:02,399
pulling that particular section out

4657
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:05,840
going through it and ju just having a

4658
03:30:05,840 --> 03:30:07,520
look because the world's changed since

4659
03:30:07,520 --> 03:30:10,479
co folks. All right. The world's changed

4660
03:30:10,479 --> 03:30:13,520
since co and I think we need to have a

4661
03:30:13,520 --> 03:30:16,800
deeper dive into this for the benefit of

4662
03:30:16,800 --> 03:30:19,120
the city and our community and I I would

4663
03:30:19,120 --> 03:30:21,600
support councelor Shury on this for

4664
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:23,920
sure. Thanks

4665
03:30:23,920 --> 03:30:26,870
>> councelor Hamilton.

4666
03:30:26,870 --> 03:30:26,880
» councelor Hamilton.

4667
03:30:26,880 --> 03:30:29,189
>> Uh thank you Mayor Lean for you and I

4668
03:30:29,189 --> 03:30:29,199
» Uh thank you Mayor Lean for you and I

4669
03:30:29,199 --> 03:30:30,720
have a question uh for councelor Sherry

4670
03:30:30,720 --> 03:30:33,199
or maybe for staff. Uh if this was as

4671
03:30:33,199 --> 03:30:35,359
the amendment is proposing removed for

4672
03:30:35,359 --> 03:30:37,359
further review, how long would that

4673
03:30:37,359 --> 03:30:39,840
review last? And would it be easy to

4674
03:30:39,840 --> 03:30:42,319
reinsert this into the bylaw should it

4675
03:30:42,319 --> 03:30:44,720
pass? Or does this prevent a problem if

4676
03:30:44,720 --> 03:30:53,269
if it is removed in some way?

4677
03:30:53,279 --> 03:30:55,600
» Thank you through you, Madam Mayor. Uh

4678
03:30:55,600 --> 03:30:58,560
so this is a phase bylaw. So phase two,

4679
03:30:58,560 --> 03:31:00,720
we could look at uh reviewing that

4680
03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:02,479
regulation specifically. That's

4681
03:31:02,479 --> 03:31:04,319
expected. Uh we're looking to continue

4682
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:06,159
on with the bylaw uh should council

4683
03:31:06,159 --> 03:31:06,960
adopt it.

4684
03:31:06,960 --> 03:31:09,830
>> Great. Thank you.

4685
03:31:09,830 --> 03:31:09,840
» Great. Thank you.

4686
03:31:09,840 --> 03:31:11,429
>> So I guess what we're asking it's okay

4687
03:31:11,429 --> 03:31:11,439
» So I guess what we're asking it's okay

4688
03:31:11,439 --> 03:31:13,680
to pass this amendment.

4689
03:31:13,680 --> 03:31:14,389
>> Yes.

4690
03:31:14,389 --> 03:31:14,399
» Yes.

4691
03:31:14,399 --> 03:31:14,870
>> Yep. Okay.

4692
03:31:14,870 --> 03:31:14,880
» Yep. Okay.

4693
03:31:14,880 --> 03:31:16,229
>> I have no concern with that.

4694
03:31:16,229 --> 03:31:16,239
» I have no concern with that.

4695
03:31:16,239 --> 03:31:18,630
>> Okay. Okay.

4696
03:31:18,630 --> 03:31:18,640
» Okay. Okay.

4697
03:31:18,640 --> 03:31:20,640
All right. I see no more questions or

4698
03:31:20,640 --> 03:31:22,159
comments. So we'll take a vote on that

4699
03:31:22,159 --> 03:31:25,429
amendment.

4700
03:31:25,439 --> 03:31:31,510
» Opening voting.

4701
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:34,159
and closing voting.

4702
03:31:34,159 --> 03:31:47,510
And that carries unanimously.

4703
03:31:47,520 --> 03:31:49,199
So, the next part of this is going to be

4704
03:31:49,199 --> 03:31:51,760
a mess. I really wish counselors had

4705
03:31:51,760 --> 03:31:54,720
gotten together and really

4706
03:31:54,720 --> 03:31:57,359
done some work and um come to an

4707
03:31:57,359 --> 03:31:59,199
agreement before we got into this part

4708
03:31:59,199 --> 03:32:00,640
of it because it's going to be really

4709
03:32:00,640 --> 03:32:02,560
really messy.

4710
03:32:02,560 --> 03:32:04,239
Um

4711
03:32:04,239 --> 03:32:05,760
Councelor Kimson, I understand you have

4712
03:32:05,760 --> 03:32:08,479
an amendment as well.

4713
03:32:08,479 --> 03:32:10,000
I don't mean yours in particular. I mean

4714
03:32:10,000 --> 03:32:34,229
there's more coming.

4715
03:32:34,239 --> 03:32:38,640
Yeah. Okay. Um, so amendment two, u

4716
03:32:38,640 --> 03:32:40,560
moved by myself, seconded by councelor

4717
03:32:40,560 --> 03:32:43,439
Roberts, amendment that table 7.2

4718
03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:46,239
permitted uses in residential zones be

4719
03:32:46,239 --> 03:32:48,720
amended to add the following new special

4720
03:32:48,720 --> 03:32:52,560
provision number five. quote, "Except as

4721
03:32:52,560 --> 03:32:55,840
provided in section 4.19, where a lot

4722
03:32:55,840 --> 03:32:58,640
contains a single detached dwelling or a

4723
03:32:58,640 --> 03:33:00,800
semi- detached dwelling with a maximum

4724
03:33:00,800 --> 03:33:03,520
permitted height of 11 m on the date of

4725
03:33:03,520 --> 03:33:06,000
enactment of this bylaw. The maximum

4726
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:08,561
permitted number of dwelling units shall

4727
03:33:08,561 --> 03:33:12,561
be four and that table 7.2 2 be amended

4728
03:33:12,561 --> 03:33:15,199
to apply special provision number five

4729
03:33:15,199 --> 03:33:25,840
to rows 3 4 12 14 15 16 17 18 19 for the

4730
03:33:25,840 --> 03:33:30,719
R1 and R2 zones. And for anyone who is

4731
03:33:30,719 --> 03:33:34,480
wondering where to find table 7.2,

4732
03:33:34,480 --> 03:34:01,510
it's in appendix B on page 85.

4733
03:34:01,520 --> 03:34:18,629
What is my head?

4734
03:34:18,639 --> 03:34:26,789
What happened?

4735
03:34:26,799 --> 03:34:30,799
Can you repeat that please? Thank you.

4736
03:34:30,799 --> 03:34:32,789
>> Moved by myself and seconded by

4737
03:34:32,789 --> 03:34:32,799
» Moved by myself and seconded by

4738
03:34:32,799 --> 03:34:35,199
councelor Roberts. Amendment that table

4739
03:34:35,199 --> 03:34:38,240
7.2 2 permitted uses in residential

4740
03:34:38,240 --> 03:34:41,279
zones be amended to add the following

4741
03:34:41,279 --> 03:34:44,240
new special provision number five except

4742
03:34:44,240 --> 03:34:47,680
as provided in section 4.19

4743
03:34:47,680 --> 03:34:49,760
where a lot contains a single detached

4744
03:34:49,760 --> 03:34:52,160
dwelling or a semi- detached dwelling

4745
03:34:52,160 --> 03:34:54,639
with a maximum permitted height of 11 m

4746
03:34:54,639 --> 03:34:57,680
on the date of enactment of this bylaw.

4747
03:34:57,680 --> 03:34:59,680
The maximum permitted number of dwelling

4748
03:34:59,680 --> 03:35:03,520
units shall be four and that table 7.2 2

4749
03:35:03,520 --> 03:35:06,320
be amended to apply special provision

4750
03:35:06,320 --> 03:35:12,639
number five to rows 3, 4, 12, 14, 15,

4751
03:35:12,639 --> 03:35:18,400
16, 17, 18, and 19 for the R1 and R2

4752
03:35:18,400 --> 03:35:20,719
zones.

4753
03:35:20,719 --> 03:35:23,199
Currently, all low density properties

4754
03:35:23,199 --> 03:35:26,080
are allowed three units as of right.

4755
03:35:26,080 --> 03:35:27,670
>> Sorry. Is that part of your motion?

4756
03:35:27,670 --> 03:35:27,680
» Sorry. Is that part of your motion?

4757
03:35:27,680 --> 03:35:28,470
>> No, sorry.

4758
03:35:28,470 --> 03:35:28,480
» No, sorry.

4759
03:35:28,480 --> 03:35:32,070
>> Okay. So, let's hold off on this because

4760
03:35:32,070 --> 03:35:32,080
» Okay. So, let's hold off on this because

4761
03:35:32,080 --> 03:35:34,390
>> your motion is going to affect the next

4762
03:35:34,390 --> 03:35:34,400
» your motion is going to affect the next

4763
03:35:34,400 --> 03:35:37,039
motion and Bin hasn't had a chance to

4764
03:35:37,039 --> 03:35:40,320
look at the new the other revised one

4765
03:35:40,320 --> 03:35:42,551
>> in order to advise us on it because

4766
03:35:42,551 --> 03:35:42,561
» in order to advise us on it because

4767
03:35:42,561 --> 03:35:45,439
councelor Schwerry has revised hers now

4768
03:35:45,439 --> 03:35:48,160
based on yours. So, rather than us

4769
03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:51,279
getting a big giant mess here, Brenn

4770
03:35:51,279 --> 03:35:54,959
needs to look at this to see how this

4771
03:35:54,959 --> 03:35:57,600
affects the other. and I don't want to

4772
03:35:57,600 --> 03:35:59,439
be making mistakes tonight. So, if you

4773
03:35:59,439 --> 03:36:02,561
don't mind, we're just going to take

4774
03:36:02,561 --> 03:36:04,470
>> few minutes cuz the whole thing is messy

4775
03:36:04,470 --> 03:36:04,480
» few minutes cuz the whole thing is messy

4776
03:36:04,480 --> 03:36:06,799
and I'm as confused as councelor Divine

4777
03:36:06,799 --> 03:36:13,269
is on all the numbers on this.

4778
03:36:13,279 --> 03:36:14,959
» Extend

4779
03:36:14,959 --> 03:36:17,029
>> Oh, hang on, guys. We're going to extend

4780
03:36:17,029 --> 03:36:17,039
» Oh, hang on, guys. We're going to extend

4781
03:36:17,039 --> 03:36:20,240
before We're going to extend um we need

4782
03:36:20,240 --> 03:36:22,480
to take a vote now on extending the

4783
03:36:22,480 --> 03:36:24,719
meeting if it goes past 11. We need to

4784
03:36:24,719 --> 03:36:28,000
do that by 10:30

4785
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:30,310
>> to extend it past 11. And we need to

4786
03:36:30,310 --> 03:36:30,320
» to extend it past 11. And we need to

4787
03:36:30,320 --> 03:36:32,719
have this done before midnight tonight.

4788
03:36:32,719 --> 03:36:33,590
>> Why?

4789
03:36:33,590 --> 03:36:33,600
» Why?

4790
03:36:33,600 --> 03:36:35,109
>> Because we have a deadline with the

4791
03:36:35,109 --> 03:36:35,119
» Because we have a deadline with the

4792
03:36:35,119 --> 03:36:37,760
federal government. They've already been

4793
03:36:37,760 --> 03:36:39,199
kind enough to extend it when they

4794
03:36:39,199 --> 03:36:41,279
didn't have to. So,

4795
03:36:41,279 --> 03:36:43,189
>> okay.

4796
03:36:43,189 --> 03:36:43,199
» okay.

4797
03:36:43,199 --> 03:36:49,029
And opening voting,

4798
03:36:49,039 --> 03:36:51,680
closing voting

4799
03:36:51,680 --> 03:58:44,070
that carries unanimously.

4800
03:58:44,080 --> 03:58:45,920
Councelor Shwary, could you please take

4801
03:58:45,920 --> 03:58:50,708
your seat?

4802
03:58:50,718 --> 03:58:58,948
Counselor Shwary.

4803
03:58:58,958 --> 03:59:00,480
So, I'm going to ask the mover and the

4804
03:59:00,480 --> 03:59:03,520
seconder of that last amendment to

4805
03:59:03,520 --> 03:59:07,120
withdraw or just put it after councelor

4806
03:59:07,120 --> 03:59:08,958
Schwares because we've discovered she

4807
03:59:08,958 --> 03:59:11,920
was first off the bat with hers and it

4808
03:59:11,920 --> 03:59:16,160
got hers got put later when it should

4809
03:59:16,160 --> 03:59:18,320
have been hers first.

4810
03:59:18,320 --> 03:59:20,718
Are you okay with that throwing that?

4811
03:59:20,718 --> 03:59:26,550
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that.

4812
03:59:26,560 --> 03:59:28,240
» You ready, Councelor Sherry? I don't

4813
03:59:28,240 --> 03:59:29,280
even know which one you're putting

4814
03:59:29,280 --> 03:59:42,868
forward anymore.

4815
03:59:42,878 --> 03:59:46,638
» Thank you, mayor. Um so uh it's um for

4816
03:59:46,638 --> 03:59:48,958
the formbbas zoning moved by myself

4817
03:59:48,958 --> 03:59:51,600
seconded by councelor Cooper that the

4818
03:59:51,600 --> 03:59:54,638
formbbased zoning proposal be amended to

4819
03:59:54,638 --> 03:59:58,240
retain the R1 residential zone as

4820
03:59:58,240 --> 04:00:01,200
currently defined under the planning act

4821
04:00:01,200 --> 04:00:04,638
and that the proposed R2 zoning areas be

4822
04:00:04,638 --> 04:00:07,600
capped to a maximum of four units

4823
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:12,160
uh per lot and that table 7.3A is

4824
04:00:12,160 --> 04:00:14,798
revised to add the maximum number of

4825
04:00:14,798 --> 04:00:20,160
units to be three unit per lot in zone

4826
04:00:20,160 --> 04:00:24,080
R1 and a maximum of four units per lot

4827
04:00:24,080 --> 04:00:28,628
in zone R2.

4828
04:00:28,638 --> 04:00:30,560
Okay, I have a question Bren. How does

4829
04:00:30,560 --> 04:00:33,680
it how does this how does this work

4830
04:00:33,680 --> 04:00:36,240
according to can you please educate us

4831
04:00:36,240 --> 04:00:41,270
all because I am so lost

4832
04:00:41,280 --> 04:00:44,958
uh through you mayor um there's I think

4833
04:00:44,958 --> 04:01:01,030
a few possible questions in there but um

4834
04:01:01,040 --> 04:01:03,600
Is this on? Yes. Okay. Uh through you,

4835
04:01:03,600 --> 04:01:05,440
mayor.

4836
04:01:05,440 --> 04:01:08,480
If council makes a decision on this

4837
04:01:08,480 --> 04:01:11,840
motion to amend

4838
04:01:11,840 --> 04:01:16,560
in favor of the motion, then that

4839
04:01:16,560 --> 04:01:19,760
should not be replaced by subsequent

4840
04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:23,600
motions to amend. So um if if this

4841
04:01:23,600 --> 04:01:27,040
motion to amend is approved by council

4842
04:01:27,040 --> 04:01:29,200
then that would be the amendment that we

4843
04:01:29,200 --> 04:01:34,708
will implement.

4844
04:01:34,718 --> 04:01:37,280
» So is this all legal according to the

4845
04:01:37,280 --> 04:01:41,200
planning act and like we're not like can

4846
04:01:41,200 --> 04:01:42,718
you just talk about that part of it

4847
04:01:42,718 --> 04:01:44,718
please?

4848
04:01:44,718 --> 04:01:48,480
uh through you, Madame Mayor. This will

4849
04:01:48,480 --> 04:01:52,878
for the R1 zone, it will conform with

4850
04:01:52,878 --> 04:01:56,958
the planning act. So, the provincial uh

4851
04:01:56,958 --> 04:02:00,080
minimum is three units as of right on a

4852
04:02:00,080 --> 04:02:03,350
lot

4853
04:02:03,360 --> 04:02:06,080
for the R2

4854
04:02:06,080 --> 04:02:08,560
um zone. My understanding is that this

4855
04:02:08,560 --> 04:02:11,840
motion will cap at four units

4856
04:02:11,840 --> 04:02:16,320
um per lot and um so that exceeds uh the

4857
04:02:16,320 --> 04:02:18,400
planning act. So there's no issue from a

4858
04:02:18,400 --> 04:02:24,310
planning act standpoint there.

4859
04:02:24,320 --> 04:02:28,560
» Okay. And the the the amendment that the

4860
04:02:28,560 --> 04:02:30,958
others were so kind to remove so this

4861
04:02:30,958 --> 04:02:32,320
could go on the floor. How will it

4862
04:02:32,320 --> 04:02:34,160
affect that amendment

4863
04:02:34,160 --> 04:02:35,190
>> if council

4864
04:02:35,190 --> 04:02:35,200
» if council

4865
04:02:35,200 --> 04:02:37,270
>> you said it would become moot but so how

4866
04:02:37,270 --> 04:02:37,280
» you said it would become moot but so how

4867
04:02:37,280 --> 04:02:40,310
>> so through you madame mayor if council

4868
04:02:40,310 --> 04:02:40,320
» so through you madame mayor if council

4869
04:02:40,320 --> 04:02:43,680
approves this motion to amend then that

4870
04:02:43,680 --> 04:02:47,680
would be the um the motion that we would

4871
04:02:47,680 --> 04:02:50,638
implement through the zoning bylaw. If

4872
04:02:50,638 --> 04:02:52,240
council

4873
04:02:52,240 --> 04:02:56,320
refuses this motion to amend, then the

4874
04:02:56,320 --> 04:02:58,718
next motion related to the same topic

4875
04:02:58,718 --> 04:03:04,788
could move forward for council decision.

4876
04:03:04,798 --> 04:03:06,480
» Councelor Kimson, thank you for asking

4877
04:03:06,480 --> 04:03:08,320
the question.

4878
04:03:08,320 --> 04:03:09,270
>> Can I speak?

4879
04:03:09,270 --> 04:03:09,280
» Can I speak?

4880
04:03:09,280 --> 04:03:10,948
>> Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And

4881
04:03:10,948 --> 04:03:10,958
» Thank you very much, Mayor Jan. And

4882
04:03:10,958 --> 04:03:15,440
through you to the chief planner. Um

4883
04:03:15,440 --> 04:03:19,680
question for you about the amendment put

4884
04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:24,000
on the floor by councelor Schwari. Um

4885
04:03:24,000 --> 04:03:26,560
with R1 with a maximum of three units,

4886
04:03:26,560 --> 04:03:29,680
R2 a maximum of four units.

4887
04:03:29,680 --> 04:03:33,360
Can you clarify or verify the maximum

4888
04:03:33,360 --> 04:03:36,320
building height and the setbacks?

4889
04:03:36,320 --> 04:03:38,560
um just because it's not as clear in

4890
04:03:38,560 --> 04:03:42,400
council's motion as it was in the

4891
04:03:42,400 --> 04:03:45,200
previous amendment. Sorry, councilwar's

4892
04:03:45,200 --> 04:03:48,240
amendment as the previous amendment.

4893
04:03:48,240 --> 04:03:49,600
Please

4894
04:03:49,600 --> 04:03:51,270
>> through you, Madame Mayor. As it's

4895
04:03:51,270 --> 04:03:51,280
» through you, Madame Mayor. As it's

4896
04:03:51,280 --> 04:03:53,360
written currently, it would be an

4897
04:03:53,360 --> 04:03:59,360
additional line added to uh table 7.3A

4898
04:03:59,360 --> 04:04:02,718
that in addition to setbacks, the same

4899
04:04:02,718 --> 04:04:05,920
setbacks, height restrictions, etc. that

4900
04:04:05,920 --> 04:04:09,040
are those um criteria an additional

4901
04:04:09,040 --> 04:04:11,600
criteria would be added to cap the

4902
04:04:11,600 --> 04:04:15,430
number of units.

4903
04:04:15,440 --> 04:04:17,920
» So just to clarify so it would still

4904
04:04:17,920 --> 04:04:19,760
have the

4905
04:04:19,760 --> 04:04:21,280
um it would still have the maximum

4906
04:04:21,280 --> 04:04:27,200
building height of 11 m and the setbacks

4907
04:04:27,200 --> 04:04:30,240
I don't see in 73A

4908
04:04:30,240 --> 04:04:35,350
the setback as being the average

4909
04:04:35,360 --> 04:04:37,040
through Mayor. I may look to Brian to

4910
04:04:37,040 --> 04:04:38,638
make sure I'm referring to the correct

4911
04:04:38,638 --> 04:04:42,470
table.

4912
04:04:42,480 --> 04:04:45,360
» Yes. So 7.3A is the standard for

4913
04:04:45,360 --> 04:04:48,320
detached dwellings. So yes, that has a

4914
04:04:48,320 --> 04:04:51,840
maximum height of 11 m. Uh a front yard

4915
04:04:51,840 --> 04:04:53,920
a standard front yard of six for the R1

4916
04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:57,040
zone and three for the R2. The averaging

4917
04:04:57,040 --> 04:04:58,560
is actually in another section of the

4918
04:04:58,560 --> 04:05:00,320
bylaw, a general provision regulation

4919
04:05:00,320 --> 04:05:03,120
that applies to all zones where you have

4920
04:05:03,120 --> 04:05:05,920
that averaging requirement.

4921
04:05:05,920 --> 04:05:07,670
>> Does that make sense?

4922
04:05:07,670 --> 04:05:07,680
» Does that make sense?

4923
04:05:07,680 --> 04:05:09,510
>> That would be consistent.

4924
04:05:09,510 --> 04:05:09,520
» That would be consistent.

4925
04:05:09,520 --> 04:05:12,868
>> Thank you.

4926
04:05:12,878 --> 04:05:14,878
» Bren, when I asked if it was legal, how

4927
04:05:14,878 --> 04:05:16,480
is this going to affect the half

4928
04:05:16,480 --> 04:05:18,240
funding?

4929
04:05:18,240 --> 04:05:21,030
>> We would be still consistent for that.

4930
04:05:21,030 --> 04:05:21,040
» We would be still consistent for that.

4931
04:05:21,040 --> 04:05:24,718
My expectation um to you, Madame Mayor,

4932
04:05:24,718 --> 04:05:29,600
is that the um CHC will not accept this

4933
04:05:29,600 --> 04:05:33,920
as uh meeting our our contribution

4934
04:05:33,920 --> 04:05:38,868
agreement for the half funding.

4935
04:05:38,878 --> 04:05:42,160
» In what way?

4936
04:05:42,160 --> 04:05:44,638
We have committed through that agreement

4937
04:05:44,638 --> 04:05:48,638
to provide form-based zoning um for all

4938
04:05:48,638 --> 04:05:50,320
residential

4939
04:05:50,320 --> 04:05:53,760
u uses. So

4940
04:05:53,760 --> 04:05:56,480
notwithstanding that, we also know that

4941
04:05:56,480 --> 04:05:59,280
throughout Canada, the federal

4942
04:05:59,280 --> 04:06:01,680
government has set four units as an

4943
04:06:01,680 --> 04:06:05,040
absolute baseline and we have uh seen

4944
04:06:05,040 --> 04:06:06,878
other municipalities

4945
04:06:06,878 --> 04:06:11,840
try to deviate from that and uh the CHC

4946
04:06:11,840 --> 04:06:14,638
has indicated that they are not meeting

4947
04:06:14,638 --> 04:06:23,030
their agreements for the half funding.

4948
04:06:23,040 --> 04:06:26,160
Councelor Hamilton.

4949
04:06:26,160 --> 04:06:27,190
>> Thank you, Mayor. They getting through

4950
04:06:27,190 --> 04:06:27,200
» Thank you, Mayor. They getting through

4951
04:06:27,200 --> 04:06:28,560
you. I think my question actually

4952
04:06:28,560 --> 04:06:32,638
touches on that. and and chief planner.

4953
04:06:32,638 --> 04:06:34,638
It's my understanding that with this

4954
04:06:34,638 --> 04:06:38,240
despite if it's a very large lot and

4955
04:06:38,240 --> 04:06:39,680
someone has a single detached dwelling

4956
04:06:39,680 --> 04:06:41,440
or a semi- detached, they couldn't put

4957
04:06:41,440 --> 04:06:43,680
in let's say a forplex

4958
04:06:43,680 --> 04:06:45,440
as they could through the proposed

4959
04:06:45,440 --> 04:06:48,080
formbbased zoning that um or sorry that

4960
04:06:48,080 --> 04:06:50,320
the following amendment was going, you

4961
04:06:50,320 --> 04:06:53,600
know what I mean? This limits a

4962
04:06:53,600 --> 04:06:55,520
particular

4963
04:06:55,520 --> 04:06:58,000
owner of a property to three units max.

4964
04:06:58,000 --> 04:06:59,520
Despite the size of the property,

4965
04:06:59,520 --> 04:07:01,040
despite the setbacks, despite the space

4966
04:07:01,040 --> 04:07:02,560
for parking, it's just three tops.

4967
04:07:02,560 --> 04:07:04,160
There's no fourplexes. There's nothing

4968
04:07:04,160 --> 04:07:05,600
beyond that.

4969
04:07:05,600 --> 04:07:07,110
>> Through you, Madame Mayor

4970
04:07:07,110 --> 04:07:07,120
» Through you, Madame Mayor

4971
04:07:07,120 --> 04:07:07,750
>> with half.

4972
04:07:07,750 --> 04:07:07,760
» with half.

4973
04:07:07,760 --> 04:07:09,990
>> That would be the effect of this motion.

4974
04:07:09,990 --> 04:07:10,000
» That would be the effect of this motion.

4975
04:07:10,000 --> 04:07:12,390
>> Okay. Thank you,

4976
04:07:12,390 --> 04:07:12,400
» Okay. Thank you,

4977
04:07:12,400 --> 04:07:23,350
>> Councelor Cooper.

4978
04:07:23,360 --> 04:07:26,000
There we go. Thank you.

4979
04:07:26,000 --> 04:07:28,080
Um, thank you very much. I know you've

4980
04:07:28,080 --> 04:07:30,400
got you on the spot here. Um, to follow

4981
04:07:30,400 --> 04:07:32,560
up with Council Hamilton's uh point

4982
04:07:32,560 --> 04:07:34,718
there, um, that is correct that they

4983
04:07:34,718 --> 04:07:35,600
wouldn't they wouldn't be able to do it

4984
04:07:35,600 --> 04:07:37,040
as of right, but they would still be

4985
04:07:37,040 --> 04:07:39,600
able to come here and request something

4986
04:07:39,600 --> 04:07:42,000
larger. Am I right? They would still be

4987
04:07:42,000 --> 04:07:44,560
able to request a zoning amendment in

4988
04:07:44,560 --> 04:07:45,760
which case we would be able to have a

4989
04:07:45,760 --> 04:07:46,878
say and the public would be able to have

4990
04:07:46,878 --> 04:07:47,920
a say in that and it wouldn't

4991
04:07:47,920 --> 04:07:49,360
necessarily stop them. It would just

4992
04:07:49,360 --> 04:07:51,760
bring it in front of us in the public

4993
04:07:51,760 --> 04:07:53,270
>> through you madame mayor. That's

4994
04:07:53,270 --> 04:07:53,280
» through you madame mayor. That's

4995
04:07:53,280 --> 04:07:55,040
correct. A zoning bylaw amendment

4996
04:07:55,040 --> 04:07:56,480
continues to be an option.

4997
04:07:56,480 --> 04:08:01,670
>> Okay. Thank you.

4998
04:08:01,680 --> 04:08:03,760
» Okay. I see no more questions. Thanks

4999
04:08:03,760 --> 04:08:07,360
Bren. Um did you want to comment on your

5000
04:08:07,360 --> 04:08:11,190
motion? Go ahead.

5001
04:08:11,200 --> 04:08:13,920
Thank thank you so much mayor. So the

5002
04:08:13,920 --> 04:08:17,200
the reason I this is very important to

5003
04:08:17,200 --> 04:08:20,080
me is to keep our one residential zone

5004
04:08:20,080 --> 04:08:23,120
as is single like the planning act semi-

5005
04:08:23,120 --> 04:08:25,360
detached or triplex.

5006
04:08:25,360 --> 04:08:27,840
Um because if we change it for people

5007
04:08:27,840 --> 04:08:30,320
with large lots, it could in a nice uh

5008
04:08:30,320 --> 04:08:33,280
residential area, you could have up to

5009
04:08:33,280 --> 04:08:36,560
six or nine plex and that would change

5010
04:08:36,560 --> 04:08:38,160
significantly

5011
04:08:38,160 --> 04:08:40,958
alter the character of the R1

5012
04:08:40,958 --> 04:08:43,440
neighborhoods and also negatively impact

5013
04:08:43,440 --> 04:08:46,000
their property values and limit

5014
04:08:46,000 --> 04:08:48,560
opportunities for public and council

5015
04:08:48,560 --> 04:08:51,520
input on these higher densely density

5016
04:08:51,520 --> 04:08:53,520
development. And I just want to say

5017
04:08:53,520 --> 04:08:58,480
because about this um the funding I feel

5018
04:08:58,480 --> 04:09:00,798
strongly that zoning decision should not

5019
04:09:00,798 --> 04:09:03,360
be driven by potential housing

5020
04:09:03,360 --> 04:09:05,040
accelerator

5021
04:09:05,040 --> 04:09:08,958
uh f funding as zone policy and funding

5022
04:09:08,958 --> 04:09:11,280
considerations are separate matters and

5023
04:09:11,280 --> 04:09:13,360
should be kept separate. Using the

5024
04:09:13,360 --> 04:09:16,000
possibility of reduced funding to

5025
04:09:16,000 --> 04:09:18,160
influence the council's vote is to me

5026
04:09:18,160 --> 04:09:20,080
inappropriate and sets out a very

5027
04:09:20,080 --> 04:09:22,560
troubling precedent. Council must be

5028
04:09:22,560 --> 04:09:25,280
free to vote in the best interests of

5029
04:09:25,280 --> 04:09:27,840
the residents. Funding should never be

5030
04:09:27,840 --> 04:09:30,160
used as a leverage to influence a

5031
04:09:30,160 --> 04:09:33,360
counselor's vote or on something that so

5032
04:09:33,360 --> 04:09:36,320
significantly undermines democracy and

5033
04:09:36,320 --> 04:09:38,560
the right for residents to speak out

5034
04:09:38,560 --> 04:09:44,708
against.

5035
04:09:44,718 --> 04:09:46,240
» Trying to figure out councelor Cooper

5036
04:09:46,240 --> 04:09:48,080
where to take your question next or get

5037
04:09:48,080 --> 04:09:50,718
Binn back up here. Maybe we'll go with

5038
04:09:50,718 --> 04:09:52,480
Bren if you don't mind. I'm sorry. I

5039
04:09:52,480 --> 04:09:55,120
just uh

5040
04:09:55,120 --> 04:09:57,440
or Brian, one one of you because I I

5041
04:09:57,440 --> 04:09:59,040
wanna

5042
04:09:59,040 --> 04:10:01,200
I understand I have the exact same

5043
04:10:01,200 --> 04:10:03,280
concerns.

5044
04:10:03,280 --> 04:10:07,120
Um I'm trying to play both both sides of

5045
04:10:07,120 --> 04:10:09,520
this. um

5046
04:10:09,520 --> 04:10:11,760
the what the rules and regulations that

5047
04:10:11,760 --> 04:10:13,680
we're going to be put in place are going

5048
04:10:13,680 --> 04:10:16,080
to be restrictive to what councelor

5049
04:10:16,080 --> 04:10:18,320
Schwer is trying to propose like like

5050
04:10:18,320 --> 04:10:20,400
she's what she's trying to ask for is

5051
04:10:20,400 --> 04:10:22,240
what we're going to be putting in to

5052
04:10:22,240 --> 04:10:23,840
make sure that this can't happen. Is

5053
04:10:23,840 --> 04:10:26,400
that correct?

5054
04:10:26,400 --> 04:10:28,550
>> Did you understand

5055
04:10:28,550 --> 04:10:28,560
» Did you understand

5056
04:10:28,560 --> 04:10:30,638
all over the map? What I maybe

5057
04:10:30,638 --> 04:10:33,120
understood through you mayor is that so

5058
04:10:33,120 --> 04:10:34,718
what councelor Schwir has brought

5059
04:10:34,718 --> 04:10:37,600
forward is that the R1 zone be limited

5060
04:10:37,600 --> 04:10:41,360
at the planning act um as of right three

5061
04:10:41,360 --> 04:10:46,958
units per lot and for R the R2 zone it

5062
04:10:46,958 --> 04:10:51,040
be um capped at a limit of four units

5063
04:10:51,040 --> 04:10:53,840
per lot both of which comply with the

5064
04:10:53,840 --> 04:10:56,638
planning act

5065
04:10:56,638 --> 04:11:01,350
>> but I'm saying So, with our new our new

5066
04:11:01,350 --> 04:11:01,360
» but I'm saying So, with our new our new

5067
04:11:01,360 --> 04:11:04,000
um zoning bylaws that what the

5068
04:11:04,000 --> 04:11:05,200
restrictions we're going to be putting

5069
04:11:05,200 --> 04:11:09,040
in place though will achieve

5070
04:11:09,040 --> 04:11:11,280
it'll still achieve the kind of

5071
04:11:11,280 --> 04:11:12,958
neighborhood that we're trying to

5072
04:11:12,958 --> 04:11:15,440
achieve here as

5073
04:11:15,440 --> 04:11:16,160
council

5074
04:11:16,160 --> 04:11:19,510
>> through you mayor. The other criteria

5075
04:11:19,510 --> 04:11:19,520
» through you mayor. The other criteria

5076
04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:22,958
within the new zoning bylaw

5077
04:11:22,958 --> 04:11:26,560
really uh puts forward that the

5078
04:11:26,560 --> 04:11:29,360
aesthetic of a neighborhood is

5079
04:11:29,360 --> 04:11:32,480
protected. So in terms of that average

5080
04:11:32,480 --> 04:11:35,840
setback of a structure, a height that

5081
04:11:35,840 --> 04:11:39,040
roughly aligns with traditional height

5082
04:11:39,040 --> 04:11:41,440
patterns within those areas, the other

5083
04:11:41,440 --> 04:11:43,600
setbacks. So that's really what the

5084
04:11:43,600 --> 04:11:46,798
form-based zoning criteria achieves and

5085
04:11:46,798 --> 04:11:48,638
those provisions are not being amended

5086
04:11:48,638 --> 04:11:51,120
through this. Only the maximum number of

5087
04:11:51,120 --> 04:11:54,080
units is being amended through this.

5088
04:11:54,080 --> 04:11:56,868
>> Okay. So I'm trying to have the best of

5089
04:11:56,868 --> 04:11:56,878
» Okay. So I'm trying to have the best of

5090
04:11:56,878 --> 04:11:58,638
both worlds here. Okay. Councelor

5091
04:11:58,638 --> 04:12:00,240
Cooper, did you have a question for Bren

5092
04:12:00,240 --> 04:12:01,280
or you just want to comment?

5093
04:12:01,280 --> 04:12:03,030
>> No, this was comment. I'm gonna comment

5094
04:12:03,030 --> 04:12:03,040
» No, this was comment. I'm gonna comment

5095
04:12:03,040 --> 04:12:03,840
on

5096
04:12:03,840 --> 04:12:05,510
>> Okay. Thanks, Bren.

5097
04:12:05,510 --> 04:12:05,520
» Okay. Thanks, Bren.

5098
04:12:05,520 --> 04:12:07,750
>> Thank you. Yeah,

5099
04:12:07,750 --> 04:12:07,760
» Thank you. Yeah,

5100
04:12:07,760 --> 04:12:09,590
>> Hardy. Sorry Hardy, you wanted to speak

5101
04:12:09,590 --> 04:12:09,600
» Hardy. Sorry Hardy, you wanted to speak

5102
04:12:09,600 --> 04:12:12,798
here. Sorry. Yeah, I think um through

5103
04:12:12,798 --> 04:12:14,638
you your worship to to the rest of

5104
04:12:14,638 --> 04:12:16,080
council I think one of the things that

5105
04:12:16,080 --> 04:12:17,840
you were trying to get at were around

5106
04:12:17,840 --> 04:12:20,560
the conditions. So we talk about capping

5107
04:12:20,560 --> 04:12:22,638
the number of units but there are all

5108
04:12:22,638 --> 04:12:25,360
sorts of other conditions that um we're

5109
04:12:25,360 --> 04:12:28,400
proposing based on your feedback that

5110
04:12:28,400 --> 04:12:30,718
that we've heard previously and and

5111
04:12:30,718 --> 04:12:33,520
we've talked about parking requirements.

5112
04:12:33,520 --> 04:12:37,040
Um we've talked about setbacks. So, um,

5113
04:12:37,040 --> 04:12:40,160
we saw some photos earlier from from a

5114
04:12:40,160 --> 04:12:41,760
member of the public where they where

5115
04:12:41,760 --> 04:12:44,080
they showed a a single what looked like

5116
04:12:44,080 --> 04:12:46,480
a single family dwelling set back on the

5117
04:12:46,480 --> 04:12:49,200
lot and then on either side there were

5118
04:12:49,200 --> 04:12:51,360
these monstrous buildings going right to

5119
04:12:51,360 --> 04:12:53,200
the front. That can't happen. That's not

5120
04:12:53,200 --> 04:12:54,798
what we're proposing here in the zoning

5121
04:12:54,798 --> 04:12:57,120
bylaw. There are minimum setbacks. So,

5122
04:12:57,120 --> 04:12:58,878
so the building that anyone would

5123
04:12:58,878 --> 04:13:00,878
propose to build if they choose to

5124
04:13:00,878 --> 04:13:04,638
purchase a a lot, demolish the existing

5125
04:13:04,638 --> 04:13:08,480
building and and decide to to build more

5126
04:13:08,480 --> 04:13:11,200
units, um they still have to meet those

5127
04:13:11,200 --> 04:13:13,040
setback requirements. There's also

5128
04:13:13,040 --> 04:13:14,958
landscaping requirements. There's

5129
04:13:14,958 --> 04:13:16,878
additional walkways and spacing and

5130
04:13:16,878 --> 04:13:19,360
maximum lot coverage. So, there are all

5131
04:13:19,360 --> 04:13:22,320
sorts of conditions there that uh would

5132
04:13:22,320 --> 04:13:25,680
need to be met. Um, so what we're trying

5133
04:13:25,680 --> 04:13:30,958
to do is is provide a revised bylaw um

5134
04:13:30,958 --> 04:13:33,280
that meets the provincial policy

5135
04:13:33,280 --> 04:13:36,878
statements of today as opposed to 1986,

5136
04:13:36,878 --> 04:13:39,200
but also gives council and hopefully the

5137
04:13:39,200 --> 04:13:43,040
public some level of comfort that um

5138
04:13:43,040 --> 04:13:45,200
anything that does get built in the

5139
04:13:45,200 --> 04:13:47,920
future if someone wishes to to do so

5140
04:13:47,920 --> 04:13:51,760
that it still meets and and fits into

5141
04:13:51,760 --> 04:13:53,600
the neighborhoods.

5142
04:13:53,600 --> 04:13:56,000
Thank you,

5143
04:13:56,000 --> 04:13:57,830
>> Councelor Cooper.

5144
04:13:57,830 --> 04:13:57,840
» Councelor Cooper.

5145
04:13:57,840 --> 04:13:59,990
>> Yes, thank you, Mayor Leot. Uh, we got

5146
04:13:59,990 --> 04:14:00,000
» Yes, thank you, Mayor Leot. Uh, we got

5147
04:14:00,000 --> 04:14:01,280
some stuff here. I'll briefly touch on

5148
04:14:01,280 --> 04:14:02,718
the funding issue. I'm hearing various

5149
04:14:02,718 --> 04:14:04,958
talk about whether we we this will, you

5150
04:14:04,958 --> 04:14:06,718
know, whether we get the have funding.

5151
04:14:06,718 --> 04:14:09,600
Not too many complaints about the spec,

5152
04:14:09,600 --> 04:14:11,200
put that aside, the specifics of what

5153
04:14:11,200 --> 04:14:13,360
we're suggesting here. Um, which tells

5154
04:14:13,360 --> 04:14:14,878
me this is maybe something that would be

5155
04:14:14,878 --> 04:14:17,040
okay if it wasn't for the issue with the

5156
04:14:17,040 --> 04:14:18,718
funding. And I agree with councelor

5157
04:14:18,718 --> 04:14:20,160
Sherry that we should not be making

5158
04:14:20,160 --> 04:14:22,080
decisions based on, you know, a carrot

5159
04:14:22,080 --> 04:14:24,080
being dangled in front of our face. Um,

5160
04:14:24,080 --> 04:14:25,600
these are zoning bylaws that are going

5161
04:14:25,600 --> 04:14:27,440
to affect us for decades. And I think

5162
04:14:27,440 --> 04:14:28,798
that's what we need to consider. We need

5163
04:14:28,798 --> 04:14:30,878
to consider the um the established

5164
04:14:30,878 --> 04:14:32,560
neighborhoods and uh the people that

5165
04:14:32,560 --> 04:14:34,638
we're representing. Um, when it comes to

5166
04:14:34,638 --> 04:14:36,400
form based zoning, I I actually looked

5167
04:14:36,400 --> 04:14:38,080
up exactly what it is, the history of

5168
04:14:38,080 --> 04:14:40,718
it. This was primarily for large cities

5169
04:14:40,718 --> 04:14:42,798
in the US with common block patterns

5170
04:14:42,798 --> 04:14:45,680
that you see over there. Um, this is not

5171
04:14:45,680 --> 04:14:48,160
a big US city. This is Cambridge. Um,

5172
04:14:48,160 --> 04:14:49,840
we've got a wide range of residential

5173
04:14:49,840 --> 04:14:51,280
layouts that can be appropriately

5174
04:14:51,280 --> 04:14:53,280
serviced by a one-sizefits-all zoning

5175
04:14:53,280 --> 04:14:55,680
policy that also happens to further

5176
04:14:55,680 --> 04:14:58,080
limit the the chance for local residents

5177
04:14:58,080 --> 04:14:59,760
to have their say in the community

5178
04:14:59,760 --> 04:15:03,280
immediately surrounding their home. Um,

5179
04:15:03,280 --> 04:15:04,718
and this this is very important to me

5180
04:15:04,718 --> 04:15:06,000
and we've heard from many people over

5181
04:15:06,000 --> 04:15:07,600
the past months, this is incredibly

5182
04:15:07,600 --> 04:15:09,600
important to the people of this city to

5183
04:15:09,600 --> 04:15:12,240
maintain that democratic control. Um,

5184
04:15:12,240 --> 04:15:13,600
that's that's their right. I don't think

5185
04:15:13,600 --> 04:15:15,840
it's something that should be sacrificed

5186
04:15:15,840 --> 04:15:18,560
uh for frankly convenience.

5187
04:15:18,560 --> 04:15:21,680
Um council and public are not somebody

5188
04:15:21,680 --> 04:15:23,120
are not elements that should be pushed

5189
04:15:23,120 --> 04:15:26,638
aside to speed things up. Um the

5190
04:15:26,638 --> 04:15:28,080
province has already assured we have

5191
04:15:28,080 --> 04:15:29,760
very limited control over local

5192
04:15:29,760 --> 04:15:33,360
development. So while this there's many

5193
04:15:33,360 --> 04:15:34,958
great new rules in here which is why I

5194
04:15:34,958 --> 04:15:36,958
was after the hybrid model. Um, I cannot

5195
04:15:36,958 --> 04:15:38,798
in good faith as a council with

5196
04:15:38,798 --> 04:15:40,240
responsibilities that residents of

5197
04:15:40,240 --> 04:15:43,280
Cambridge to support the motion as is.

5198
04:15:43,280 --> 04:15:45,040
It would further erode my ability and

5199
04:15:45,040 --> 04:15:46,560
your ability to represent Cambridge when

5200
04:15:46,560 --> 04:15:48,958
it comes to what happens on our resident

5201
04:15:48,958 --> 04:15:52,718
streets. Um,

5202
04:15:52,718 --> 04:15:54,718
so that's why I support this this motion

5203
04:15:54,718 --> 04:15:56,240
that we this amendment they've been

5204
04:15:56,240 --> 04:15:59,520
working on that can preserve our

5205
04:15:59,520 --> 04:16:02,240
neighborhoods. It does matter how they

5206
04:16:02,240 --> 04:16:04,000
look.

5207
04:16:04,000 --> 04:16:06,000
the the established neighborhoods. I got

5208
04:16:06,000 --> 04:16:07,680
an email from someone a while ago that

5209
04:16:07,680 --> 04:16:10,080
got had a how home that they got uh got

5210
04:16:10,080 --> 04:16:11,920
stuck next stood next to a big I can't

5211
04:16:11,920 --> 04:16:14,000
remember was three or four three or four

5212
04:16:14,000 --> 04:16:16,240
towers next levels next to them. People

5213
04:16:16,240 --> 04:16:18,160
looking down their backyards. They lost

5214
04:16:18,160 --> 04:16:19,680
they got it appraised. They got lost

5215
04:16:19,680 --> 04:16:22,878
$200,000 on their um on their appraisal

5216
04:16:22,878 --> 04:16:24,400
because of it. I mean these are the real

5217
04:16:24,400 --> 04:16:27,440
world um consequences of this. And we're

5218
04:16:27,440 --> 04:16:30,718
not stopping um development. This is not

5219
04:16:30,718 --> 04:16:32,480
about an argument against growth or

5220
04:16:32,480 --> 04:16:34,958
zoning reform. Finding efficiencies is

5221
04:16:34,958 --> 04:16:36,320
good and there's some in here and I hope

5222
04:16:36,320 --> 04:16:38,798
staff continue to bring some. Um but our

5223
04:16:38,798 --> 04:16:41,120
residents do expect representation. They

5224
04:16:41,120 --> 04:16:43,360
have a right to have a real opportunity

5225
04:16:43,360 --> 04:16:45,920
to affect the outcomes in the immediate

5226
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:48,080
surroundings around their home. And as

5227
04:16:48,080 --> 04:16:49,760
counselors, we have a duty to remain

5228
04:16:49,760 --> 04:16:52,240
accountable to our constituents at the

5229
04:16:52,240 --> 04:16:55,280
neighborhood level. I feel like what we

5230
04:16:55,280 --> 04:16:57,200
are doing here, what we are trying to do

5231
04:16:57,200 --> 04:17:00,240
um achieves that. It's it's a hybrid

5232
04:17:00,240 --> 04:17:01,600
model that works and I feel it would be

5233
04:17:01,600 --> 04:17:03,440
accepted by uh many people in the

5234
04:17:03,440 --> 04:17:05,520
community. Uh many people that have been

5235
04:17:05,520 --> 04:17:07,840
very very concerned about it and it's

5236
04:17:07,840 --> 04:17:09,680
definitely a beginning to something I

5237
04:17:09,680 --> 04:17:13,040
feel can be polished and made better. Um

5238
04:17:13,040 --> 04:17:14,638
there you go. I hope you support this.

5239
04:17:14,638 --> 04:17:16,400
Thank you.

5240
04:17:16,400 --> 04:17:21,670
>> So Councelor Cooper, you don't when when

5241
04:17:21,670 --> 04:17:21,680
» So Councelor Cooper, you don't when when

5242
04:17:21,680 --> 04:17:23,360
um

5243
04:17:23,360 --> 04:17:25,760
Mr. Bramberg and Bin were talking about

5244
04:17:25,760 --> 04:17:28,638
how somebody would have you don't agree

5245
04:17:28,638 --> 04:17:31,280
with them that the the what we're be

5246
04:17:31,280 --> 04:17:33,680
putting in in in the bylaws will be

5247
04:17:33,680 --> 04:17:35,600
protecting what you're talking about

5248
04:17:35,600 --> 04:17:37,360
protecting.

5249
04:17:37,360 --> 04:17:38,868
>> Uh well, I'll go back to what I stated

5250
04:17:38,868 --> 04:17:38,878
» Uh well, I'll go back to what I stated

5251
04:17:38,878 --> 04:17:40,240
in there. I think the the you know,

5252
04:17:40,240 --> 04:17:42,160
we're elected to represent the community

5253
04:17:42,160 --> 04:17:45,280
and and also we we're you know we should

5254
04:17:45,280 --> 04:17:47,040
the people in this community should

5255
04:17:47,040 --> 04:17:49,360
always have a say and what goes on

5256
04:17:49,360 --> 04:17:52,080
immediately outside their front door.

5257
04:17:52,080 --> 04:17:53,680
Um, we have beautiful established

5258
04:17:53,680 --> 04:17:56,000
neighborhoods all over the city and they

5259
04:17:56,000 --> 04:17:59,600
are beautiful neighborhoods because of

5260
04:17:59,600 --> 04:18:01,600
our established bylaws. Now, of course,

5261
04:18:01,600 --> 04:18:03,440
they're old and they need polishing, but

5262
04:18:03,440 --> 04:18:04,878
we don't want to throw out into the

5263
04:18:04,878 --> 04:18:06,240
garbage some of the main elements that

5264
04:18:06,240 --> 04:18:08,080
have kept it that way and made them

5265
04:18:08,080 --> 04:18:09,600
beautiful and made people kind of get up

5266
04:18:09,600 --> 04:18:11,040
in arms about this because they're

5267
04:18:11,040 --> 04:18:13,440
scared of losing what they've had. So,

5268
04:18:13,440 --> 04:18:16,718
look at how did we get that? We got that

5269
04:18:16,718 --> 04:18:20,560
by having uh people come here and talk

5270
04:18:20,560 --> 04:18:22,638
to us. And when somebody comes along

5271
04:18:22,638 --> 04:18:24,320
with a development that's a little bit

5272
04:18:24,320 --> 04:18:25,680
out of the norm, then it comes to us and

5273
04:18:25,680 --> 04:18:27,040
we decide and it doesn't necessarily

5274
04:18:27,040 --> 04:18:29,680
stop them, we look at it and sometimes

5275
04:18:29,680 --> 04:18:31,280
we have stuff we all go hell no and

5276
04:18:31,280 --> 04:18:33,360
others we go that's great. But the

5277
04:18:33,360 --> 04:18:35,920
second you take away that representation

5278
04:18:35,920 --> 04:18:37,360
you know that's that's what happens when

5279
04:18:37,360 --> 04:18:38,958
you erode public representation that

5280
04:18:38,958 --> 04:18:40,798
happens in little chunks like that.

5281
04:18:40,798 --> 04:18:42,150
>> You know it happens with the happens

5282
04:18:42,150 --> 04:18:42,160
» You know it happens with the happens

5283
04:18:42,160 --> 04:18:43,920
with this and it'll go further and I

5284
04:18:43,920 --> 04:18:45,120
just don't think that public

5285
04:18:45,120 --> 04:18:46,718
representation their ability to speak

5286
04:18:46,718 --> 04:18:48,080
here and have a say is something that

5287
04:18:48,080 --> 04:18:50,320
should ever be sacrificed. That's all.

5288
04:18:50,320 --> 04:18:53,510
>> So Mr. Bramberg said the public would

5289
04:18:53,510 --> 04:18:53,520
» So Mr. Bramberg said the public would

5290
04:18:53,520 --> 04:18:55,440
still have to come to get those

5291
04:18:55,440 --> 04:18:57,360
amendments done. Like would they still

5292
04:18:57,360 --> 04:19:00,000
have to come before council if they need

5293
04:19:00,000 --> 04:19:03,840
an amendment to what

5294
04:19:03,840 --> 04:19:06,638
staff are proposing for setbacks and

5295
04:19:06,638 --> 04:19:08,798
everything else. So we still will have

5296
04:19:08,798 --> 04:19:10,560
that say. The public will still be able

5297
04:19:10,560 --> 04:19:12,480
to come and speak to us about that.

5298
04:19:12,480 --> 04:19:14,628
>> But less opportunity. There's more as of

5299
04:19:14,628 --> 04:19:14,638
» But less opportunity. There's more as of

5300
04:19:14,638 --> 04:19:15,200
right.

5301
04:19:15,200 --> 04:19:15,990
>> Yeah. But my question

5302
04:19:15,990 --> 04:19:16,000
» Yeah. But my question

5303
04:19:16,000 --> 04:19:17,750
>> for more as of right. And how far does

5304
04:19:17,750 --> 04:19:17,760
» for more as of right. And how far does

5305
04:19:17,760 --> 04:19:18,320
that go?

5306
04:19:18,320 --> 04:19:21,830
>> Good good debate. Thank you. So,

5307
04:19:21,830 --> 04:19:21,840
» Good good debate. Thank you. So,

5308
04:19:21,840 --> 04:19:23,520
um, but that's why I asked you that

5309
04:19:23,520 --> 04:19:26,798
first part. So, you're not okay with

5310
04:19:26,798 --> 04:19:29,600
staff saying, "We're going to protect it

5311
04:19:29,600 --> 04:19:31,360
anyway. This is the only way we can

5312
04:19:31,360 --> 04:19:32,878
protect it and still get our half

5313
04:19:32,878 --> 04:19:35,360
funding by having the setbacks, having

5314
04:19:35,360 --> 04:19:37,680
the heights, doing all those things and

5315
04:19:37,680 --> 04:19:38,878
the landscaping and everything."

5316
04:19:38,878 --> 04:19:40,070
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I said, like I

5317
04:19:40,070 --> 04:19:40,080
» Yeah. Yeah, that's good. I said, like I

5318
04:19:40,080 --> 04:19:40,798
said, that's what I was talking about

5319
04:19:40,798 --> 04:19:41,920
the hybrid model. There's plenty of

5320
04:19:41,920 --> 04:19:44,000
aspects in here. I love there's great

5321
04:19:44,000 --> 04:19:45,680
stuff in here. It's just But there are

5322
04:19:45,680 --> 04:19:47,120
some critical ones I can't go along

5323
04:19:47,120 --> 04:19:48,320
with.

5324
04:19:48,320 --> 04:19:52,550
>> That's all. Okay, Councelor Hamilton,

5325
04:19:52,550 --> 04:19:52,560
» That's all. Okay, Councelor Hamilton,

5326
04:19:52,560 --> 04:19:55,440
sorry I preempted you there. I'm sorry.

5327
04:19:55,440 --> 04:19:57,110
>> That's okay. No worries, Mayor. Thank

5328
04:19:57,110 --> 04:19:57,120
» That's okay. No worries, Mayor. Thank

5329
04:19:57,120 --> 04:19:58,400
you. Through you. Just for my own

5330
04:19:58,400 --> 04:20:00,480
clarification, if we have comments,

5331
04:20:00,480 --> 04:20:02,160
should we make them now because this

5332
04:20:02,160 --> 04:20:04,718
amendment takes the form based zoning

5333
04:20:04,718 --> 04:20:07,600
and Okay. Thank you. Um, so I can't

5334
04:20:07,600 --> 04:20:09,280
support the amendment, although I do

5335
04:20:09,280 --> 04:20:10,560
appreciate that councelor Cooper and

5336
04:20:10,560 --> 04:20:12,400
councelor Sherry care greatly about the

5337
04:20:12,400 --> 04:20:15,280
city. Um, so I I appreciate the heart

5338
04:20:15,280 --> 04:20:16,638
they're putting into it, but I can't

5339
04:20:16,638 --> 04:20:20,080
ultimately support it. If we pay

5340
04:20:20,080 --> 04:20:21,440
attention what staff are saying, the

5341
04:20:21,440 --> 04:20:24,080
last time these

5342
04:20:24,080 --> 04:20:26,160
zoning bylaws were altered, I was 2

5343
04:20:26,160 --> 04:20:28,958
years old. It was 1986. Now we have 500

5344
04:20:28,958 --> 04:20:30,400
exceptions that have been put into place

5345
04:20:30,400 --> 04:20:34,080
since then. So staff actually write in

5346
04:20:34,080 --> 04:20:36,160
the report that our current system is a

5347
04:20:36,160 --> 04:20:38,480
barrier to housing at a time when one of

5348
04:20:38,480 --> 04:20:40,080
the biggest crises affecting our

5349
04:20:40,080 --> 04:20:42,160
population is exactly that. it is

5350
04:20:42,160 --> 04:20:44,638
housing. So I ask myself, is this

5351
04:20:44,638 --> 04:20:46,718
somehow anti-democratic? Does it erode

5352
04:20:46,718 --> 04:20:48,718
public representation?

5353
04:20:48,718 --> 04:20:50,798
And I think the reality is there's a lot

5354
04:20:50,798 --> 04:20:52,320
of things that happen in a city that

5355
04:20:52,320 --> 04:20:54,320
doesn't come through council. We don't

5356
04:20:54,320 --> 04:20:56,000
approve a lot of things and we shouldn't

5357
04:20:56,000 --> 04:20:57,520
because we're not experts in it. It'll

5358
04:20:57,520 --> 04:20:59,200
clog up the process. It's not a

5359
04:20:59,200 --> 04:21:01,360
requirement. So examples, engineering

5360
04:21:01,360 --> 04:21:03,520
standards and develop manual standards.

5361
04:21:03,520 --> 04:21:04,718
They detail right of way for

5362
04:21:04,718 --> 04:21:06,080
infrastructure, new development,

5363
04:21:06,080 --> 04:21:08,638
reconstruction. These are needs based on

5364
04:21:08,638 --> 04:21:10,718
asset management perspectives. We have

5365
04:21:10,718 --> 04:21:12,480
things like cycling master plans, the

5366
04:21:12,480 --> 04:21:14,718
transportation master plans. Some of

5367
04:21:14,718 --> 04:21:16,240
these components get approved through

5368
04:21:16,240 --> 04:21:18,000
things like capital forecasts, others

5369
04:21:18,000 --> 04:21:20,400
through the operating budget. So here

5370
04:21:20,400 --> 04:21:23,120
are examples clear-cut where there are

5371
04:21:23,120 --> 04:21:26,000
major changes in the city. Council makes

5372
04:21:26,000 --> 04:21:28,160
a decision about the overarching plans

5373
04:21:28,160 --> 04:21:30,160
that sets a particular standard and then

5374
04:21:30,160 --> 04:21:32,560
those are enacted by staff. It allows

5375
04:21:32,560 --> 04:21:34,320
for a reduction in costs, an increase in

5376
04:21:34,320 --> 04:21:35,680
efficiency, and ultimately a better

5377
04:21:35,680 --> 04:21:37,760
delivery of services and amenities for

5378
04:21:37,760 --> 04:21:39,840
our residents. And that's something I

5379
04:21:39,840 --> 04:21:41,680
see is very synchronous with what we're

5380
04:21:41,680 --> 04:21:44,400
proposing here. We're not experts in

5381
04:21:44,400 --> 04:21:46,240
planning.

5382
04:21:46,240 --> 04:21:47,840
We have staff that do that. And right

5383
04:21:47,840 --> 04:21:50,718
now these staff,

5384
04:21:50,718 --> 04:21:52,958
they're basically telling us that again

5385
04:21:52,958 --> 04:21:54,480
that question is there anything that

5386
04:21:54,480 --> 04:21:57,360
we've rejected that form-based zoning if

5387
04:21:57,360 --> 04:21:58,958
it were implemented would allow? And the

5388
04:21:58,958 --> 04:22:01,360
answer is no. So, what that tells me is

5389
04:22:01,360 --> 04:22:03,760
we can have our staff work a lot more

5390
04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:05,600
efficiently, save a lot more time and

5391
04:22:05,600 --> 04:22:08,400
money, have a lot more housing for our

5392
04:22:08,400 --> 04:22:10,000
residents. And here's where the

5393
04:22:10,000 --> 04:22:12,160
Democratic thing kicks in for me. The

5394
04:22:12,160 --> 04:22:14,320
Democratic power is returning agency

5395
04:22:14,320 --> 04:22:16,638
back to local residents because it can

5396
04:22:16,638 --> 04:22:18,240
actually participate in the process of

5397
04:22:18,240 --> 04:22:20,240
creating housing where right now it's

5398
04:22:20,240 --> 04:22:22,480
stacked in favor of wealthy developers.

5399
04:22:22,480 --> 04:22:24,400
it can afford the time that it can

5400
04:22:24,400 --> 04:22:25,680
afford the money to create the

5401
04:22:25,680 --> 04:22:27,280
blueprints, create the plans, hire

5402
04:22:27,280 --> 04:22:28,958
people to come to council to argue for

5403
04:22:28,958 --> 04:22:31,760
amendments. This undoes all of that. So,

5404
04:22:31,760 --> 04:22:33,120
the average homeowner might actually

5405
04:22:33,120 --> 04:22:35,360
have a shot of creating more units on

5406
04:22:35,360 --> 04:22:37,760
their property that if they had the

5407
04:22:37,760 --> 04:22:39,440
money and the time would have gone and

5408
04:22:39,440 --> 04:22:41,680
been approved anyway by working through

5409
04:22:41,680 --> 04:22:43,600
500 complicated exceptions that haven't

5410
04:22:43,600 --> 04:22:45,680
changed since 1986.

5411
04:22:45,680 --> 04:22:48,400
So, I have no problem with trusting our

5412
04:22:48,400 --> 04:22:50,400
staff,

5413
04:22:50,400 --> 04:22:52,480
altering the way that our city functions

5414
04:22:52,480 --> 04:22:54,878
to allow more housing to be built better

5415
04:22:54,878 --> 04:22:57,040
and faster, allowing our residents to

5416
04:22:57,040 --> 04:22:59,520
participate to gain that agency. And

5417
04:22:59,520 --> 04:23:01,600
ultimately, I think what this boils down

5418
04:23:01,600 --> 04:23:04,080
to is a change in neighborhoods. Now,

5419
04:23:04,080 --> 04:23:05,360
we're realizing the change won't be

5420
04:23:05,360 --> 04:23:07,120
substantial. There are rules in place.

5421
04:23:07,120 --> 04:23:08,718
There's setbacks. There's height. We

5422
04:23:08,718 --> 04:23:10,240
have no height restrictions right now.

5423
04:23:10,240 --> 04:23:12,320
This would put in height restrictions.

5424
04:23:12,320 --> 04:23:15,040
There's parking. There's landscaping. So

5425
04:23:15,040 --> 04:23:17,680
there are rules in place to prevent a

5426
04:23:17,680 --> 04:23:20,878
lot of the could say the the disaster

5427
04:23:20,878 --> 04:23:22,718
scenarios that have been prevented or

5428
04:23:22,718 --> 04:23:25,520
presented to us. There are rules put in

5429
04:23:25,520 --> 04:23:27,760
place to prevent that from happening.

5430
04:23:27,760 --> 04:23:30,550
>> Councelor Hamilton, you are now at over

5431
04:23:30,550 --> 04:23:30,560
» Councelor Hamilton, you are now at over

5432
04:23:30,560 --> 04:23:32,400
3 and a half minutes speaking on a

5433
04:23:32,400 --> 04:23:34,480
comment. We're already at quarter after

5434
04:23:34,480 --> 04:23:36,000
11. We extended the time.

5435
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:37,510
>> I'll finish up. Mayor Leot, I think with

5436
04:23:37,510 --> 04:23:37,520
» I'll finish up. Mayor Leot, I think with

5437
04:23:37,520 --> 04:23:38,798
all due respect to Councelor Cooper, he

5438
04:23:38,798 --> 04:23:40,878
was on for about eight minutes and so I

5439
04:23:40,878 --> 04:23:42,718
did ask is now the time for comments. So

5440
04:23:42,718 --> 04:23:43,920
I'll finish up my comment though. It

5441
04:23:43,920 --> 04:23:46,560
was, but it's getting so long now. We've

5442
04:23:46,560 --> 04:23:47,920
still got other things to get through

5443
04:23:47,920 --> 04:23:49,680
here. So, I will wrap up.

5444
04:23:49,680 --> 04:23:51,190
>> Thanks. I appreciate it.

5445
04:23:51,190 --> 04:23:51,200
» Thanks. I appreciate it.

5446
04:23:51,200 --> 04:23:52,948
>> Uh, I don't think that our neighborhoods

5447
04:23:52,948 --> 04:23:52,958
» Uh, I don't think that our neighborhoods

5448
04:23:52,958 --> 04:23:55,200
will be sworn by boxes. This will create

5449
04:23:55,200 --> 04:23:57,120
variation in housing that's reasonable,

5450
04:23:57,120 --> 04:23:58,480
and that's what cities are. They're

5451
04:23:58,480 --> 04:24:00,320
dynamic forms of housing change,

5452
04:24:00,320 --> 04:24:02,400
architectural styles change. The point

5453
04:24:02,400 --> 04:24:04,400
is, does it help residents in a time of

5454
04:24:04,400 --> 04:24:06,400
need? And the answer is yes. So I think

5455
04:24:06,400 --> 04:24:07,920
forbay zoning is an effective way to

5456
04:24:07,920 --> 04:24:10,080
give power and agency back to Cambridge

5457
04:24:10,080 --> 04:24:12,160
residents while increasing our housing

5458
04:24:12,160 --> 04:24:14,080
stock especially the missing middle

5459
04:24:14,080 --> 04:24:16,638
housing that we so desperately need.

5460
04:24:16,638 --> 04:24:19,760
Thanks and thank you for the time.

5461
04:24:19,760 --> 04:24:22,310
>> Councelor Meta, please everyone please

5462
04:24:22,310 --> 04:24:22,320
» Councelor Meta, please everyone please

5463
04:24:22,320 --> 04:24:24,080
remember what time it is. We're all

5464
04:24:24,080 --> 04:24:25,920
tired. We want to go home and we need to

5465
04:24:25,920 --> 04:24:27,920
make making intelligent decisions. Thank

5466
04:24:27,920 --> 04:24:30,080
you. Well, thank you uh Mayor Jan

5467
04:24:30,080 --> 04:24:31,760
through you and I will pretty much

5468
04:24:31,760 --> 04:24:33,840
summarize my comments so you all know

5469
04:24:33,840 --> 04:24:36,638
that I'm not a fan of foreignbased

5470
04:24:36,638 --> 04:24:39,520
zoning. Um and not all planning planners

5471
04:24:39,520 --> 04:24:40,958
agree with it. There's different

5472
04:24:40,958 --> 04:24:43,840
opinions and I appreciate that. Um but I

5473
04:24:43,840 --> 04:24:46,080
do want to say that um I mean obviously

5474
04:24:46,080 --> 04:24:48,560
I'm concerned about having less

5475
04:24:48,560 --> 04:24:51,600
opportunities to come to council to just

5476
04:24:51,600 --> 04:24:53,600
you know be heard about why they don't

5477
04:24:53,600 --> 04:24:55,680
want um a reasonzoning in their

5478
04:24:55,680 --> 04:24:58,400
neighborhood at least to be heard. Um,

5479
04:24:58,400 --> 04:25:00,080
I've already said I'm concerned about

5480
04:25:00,080 --> 04:25:03,200
that. I'm also concerned about land

5481
04:25:03,200 --> 04:25:05,360
values rising, that if you make it too

5482
04:25:05,360 --> 04:25:08,480
easy to redevelop land, the land values

5483
04:25:08,480 --> 04:25:10,240
will go up because of the development

5484
04:25:10,240 --> 04:25:12,958
potential. And um, people are looking

5485
04:25:12,958 --> 04:25:15,600
for starter homes very well could be

5486
04:25:15,600 --> 04:25:18,320
competing against speculators like land

5487
04:25:18,320 --> 04:25:20,878
speculators. That's a concern of mine.

5488
04:25:20,878 --> 04:25:23,360
And the land speculators have more money

5489
04:25:23,360 --> 04:25:26,000
to buy the homes than the firsttime home

5490
04:25:26,000 --> 04:25:28,160
buyers do. So, that's one of my

5491
04:25:28,160 --> 04:25:31,520
concerns. Um, I am going to support the

5492
04:25:31,520 --> 04:25:33,600
amendment. I may or may not turn the

5493
04:25:33,600 --> 04:25:35,040
whole thing down depending on how it

5494
04:25:35,040 --> 04:25:37,920
goes at the end of the night. But, um, I

5495
04:25:37,920 --> 04:25:40,638
think the amendment does bring in some

5496
04:25:40,638 --> 04:25:42,638
more restrictions.

5497
04:25:42,638 --> 04:25:44,798
And, um, although my residents still

5498
04:25:44,798 --> 04:25:46,560
won't be thrilled, I think it does get

5499
04:25:46,560 --> 04:25:48,958
them a better deal. And I am accountable

5500
04:25:48,958 --> 04:25:51,680
to them. I answer to them and I'm trying

5501
04:25:51,680 --> 04:25:53,440
to get a better deal for them, but I

5502
04:25:53,440 --> 04:25:54,718
still might vote against the whole thing

5503
04:25:54,718 --> 04:26:00,948
after. We'll see. Thank you.

5504
04:26:00,958 --> 04:26:03,120
Okay, councelor Shwer and please keep it

5505
04:26:03,120 --> 04:26:04,000
short.

5506
04:26:04,000 --> 04:26:06,150
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Liant. I

5507
04:26:06,150 --> 04:26:06,160
» Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Liant. I

5508
04:26:06,160 --> 04:26:06,958
just wanted to

5509
04:26:06,958 --> 04:26:08,550
>> This is This is the last speaker.

5510
04:26:08,550 --> 04:26:08,560
» This is This is the last speaker.

5511
04:26:08,560 --> 04:26:10,868
>> Sure. I just want to respond to respond

5512
04:26:10,868 --> 04:26:10,878
» Sure. I just want to respond to respond

5513
04:26:10,878 --> 04:26:13,920
to councelor Hamilton. Um yes, I did

5514
04:26:13,920 --> 04:26:16,400
give an example uh councelor Hamilton

5515
04:26:16,400 --> 04:26:19,920
where um in the past we wouldn't approve

5516
04:26:19,920 --> 04:26:21,680
approved a zone base uh wouldn't

5517
04:26:21,680 --> 04:26:24,160
approved an application and with this

5518
04:26:24,160 --> 04:26:27,440
one uh we would and I do know in the

5519
04:26:27,440 --> 04:26:29,760
past you haven't always accepted all the

5520
04:26:29,760 --> 04:26:32,718
planners and all the the staff's

5521
04:26:32,718 --> 04:26:34,798
recommendation. None of us have uh

5522
04:26:34,798 --> 04:26:36,560
because we have different opinion and

5523
04:26:36,560 --> 04:26:38,560
we're not throwing out the whole form

5524
04:26:38,560 --> 04:26:40,400
based zoning with the bathwater. We're

5525
04:26:40,400 --> 04:26:42,320
just making some improvements because

5526
04:26:42,320 --> 04:26:44,400
we've listened to some amendment. We've

5527
04:26:44,400 --> 04:26:46,080
listened to our residents. That's what I

5528
04:26:46,080 --> 04:26:51,350
wanted to say. Thanks.

5529
04:26:51,360 --> 04:26:53,520
Okay. Now, we'll call for the vote on

5530
04:26:53,520 --> 04:26:57,910
that amendment.

5531
04:26:57,920 --> 04:27:03,270
An opening voting.

5532
04:27:03,280 --> 04:27:06,160
Closing voting.

5533
04:27:06,160 --> 04:27:13,510
And that is defeated. 5 to four.

5534
04:27:13,520 --> 04:27:25,430
Okay.

5535
04:27:25,440 --> 04:27:29,520
» Councelor Kimson, would you like to put

5536
04:27:29,520 --> 04:27:38,708
your motion back on the floor, please?

5537
04:27:38,718 --> 04:27:41,360
Thank you, Mayor Jan. Moved by myself,

5538
04:27:41,360 --> 04:27:43,600
seconded by councelor Roberts. The

5539
04:27:43,600 --> 04:27:46,638
amendment reads that table 7.2 2

5540
04:27:46,638 --> 04:27:49,360
permitted uses in residential zones be

5541
04:27:49,360 --> 04:27:52,160
amended amended to add the following new

5542
04:27:52,160 --> 04:27:55,120
special provision number five except as

5543
04:27:55,120 --> 04:27:58,000
provided in section 4.19

5544
04:27:58,000 --> 04:28:00,080
where a lot contains a single detached

5545
04:28:00,080 --> 04:28:02,638
dwelling or a semi- detached dwelling

5546
04:28:02,638 --> 04:28:05,280
with a maximum permitted height of 11 m

5547
04:28:05,280 --> 04:28:07,840
on the date of enactment of this bylaw.

5548
04:28:07,840 --> 04:28:10,240
The maximum permitted number of dwelling

5549
04:28:10,240 --> 04:28:14,558
units shall be four and that table 7.2 2

5550
04:28:14,558 --> 04:28:17,120
be amended to apply special provision

5551
04:28:17,120 --> 04:28:25,920
number five to rows 3 4 12 14 15 16 17

5552
04:28:25,920 --> 04:28:31,520
18 and 19 for the R1 and R2 zones.

5553
04:28:31,520 --> 04:28:33,270
>> May I speak to the amendment?

5554
04:28:33,270 --> 04:28:33,280
» May I speak to the amendment?

5555
04:28:33,280 --> 04:28:34,868
>> Let me ask if there's questions here

5556
04:28:34,868 --> 04:28:34,878
» Let me ask if there's questions here

5557
04:28:34,878 --> 04:28:37,200
first. Okay. And please everybody, we've

5558
04:28:37,200 --> 04:28:39,200
gone through this over and over and over

5559
04:28:39,200 --> 04:28:41,280
tonight. Staff spent a lot of time. So,

5560
04:28:41,280 --> 04:28:43,760
if we could just get as quickly as we

5561
04:28:43,760 --> 04:28:46,320
can to the vote so we can get on with

5562
04:28:46,320 --> 04:28:47,760
because there's a couple more things we

5563
04:28:47,760 --> 04:28:49,040
need to get through or else they're

5564
04:28:49,040 --> 04:28:51,520
going to have to wait for another night.

5565
04:28:51,520 --> 04:28:54,160
Any questions?

5566
04:28:54,160 --> 04:28:57,760
Oh, there you're up comments.

5567
04:28:57,760 --> 04:28:59,280
Thank you, Mayor Jan. I'll keep this

5568
04:28:59,280 --> 04:29:03,120
brief. Um, Councelor Roberts and I

5569
04:29:03,120 --> 04:29:06,798
worked on this amendment. Currently, all

5570
04:29:06,798 --> 04:29:08,718
low density properties are allowed three

5571
04:29:08,718 --> 04:29:11,520
units as of right. that's currently part

5572
04:29:11,520 --> 04:29:14,480
of the provincial legislation.

5573
04:29:14,480 --> 04:29:16,240
Basically, this is going to increase the

5574
04:29:16,240 --> 04:29:20,000
allowable units by one for non-collector

5575
04:29:20,000 --> 04:29:22,558
residential roads and only when all of

5576
04:29:22,558 --> 04:29:24,718
the other requirements are met such as

5577
04:29:24,718 --> 04:29:27,760
setbacks, parking, landscaping.

5578
04:29:27,760 --> 04:29:31,120
If anyone wishes to do more than that,

5579
04:29:31,120 --> 04:29:33,440
then the normal public process would

5580
04:29:33,440 --> 04:29:35,680
apply. However, this would be enough to

5581
04:29:35,680 --> 04:29:37,760
satisfy the requirements for the half

5582
04:29:37,760 --> 04:29:40,160
funding and would be a much more subtle

5583
04:29:40,160 --> 04:29:42,400
change to protect our residential

5584
04:29:42,400 --> 04:29:44,400
communities.

5585
04:29:44,400 --> 04:29:50,080
And this caps R1 and R2 at four units

5586
04:29:50,080 --> 04:29:52,878
maximum. It's already in place in other

5587
04:29:52,878 --> 04:29:54,958
municipalities within our region. It

5588
04:29:54,958 --> 04:29:56,718
puts setbacks in place, height

5589
04:29:56,718 --> 04:29:59,200
restrictions in place, and contributes

5590
04:29:59,200 --> 04:30:01,600
to consistency.

5591
04:30:01,600 --> 04:30:03,760
So today I was looking around my

5592
04:30:03,760 --> 04:30:05,760
neighborhood where I've lived for over

5593
04:30:05,760 --> 04:30:08,878
half a century and there's a mix of

5594
04:30:08,878 --> 04:30:11,280
low-rise apartments, a three-level condo

5595
04:30:11,280 --> 04:30:13,680
building, large over homes subdivided

5596
04:30:13,680 --> 04:30:16,320
into flats, a semi along with single

5597
04:30:16,320 --> 04:30:18,480
family homes. And when I looked around,

5598
04:30:18,480 --> 04:30:21,280
I could see how they all worked and

5599
04:30:21,280 --> 04:30:23,760
blended together because the setbacks

5600
04:30:23,760 --> 04:30:25,680
were there, because there was

5601
04:30:25,680 --> 04:30:28,718
consideration given to parking. All of

5602
04:30:28,718 --> 04:30:31,200
things that with this amendment would be

5603
04:30:31,200 --> 04:30:33,440
taken into consideration that would

5604
04:30:33,440 --> 04:30:37,040
allow the gentle intensification but

5605
04:30:37,040 --> 04:30:39,120
still allow us to benefit from the half

5606
04:30:39,120 --> 04:30:42,000
funding. Thank you.

5607
04:30:42,000 --> 04:30:43,920
Okay, we'll call for that vote. I see no

5608
04:30:43,920 --> 04:30:47,200
other comments or questions.

5609
04:30:47,200 --> 04:30:53,910
and opening voting.

5610
04:30:53,920 --> 04:30:57,280
Closing voting

5611
04:30:57,280 --> 04:31:02,160
and that uh carries 6 to3.

5612
04:31:02,160 --> 04:31:04,070
>> Okay. Councelor Cooper, you have an

5613
04:31:04,070 --> 04:31:04,080
» Okay. Councelor Cooper, you have an

5614
04:31:04,080 --> 04:31:32,150
amendment.

5615
04:31:32,160 --> 04:31:36,948
Anyway,

5616
04:31:36,958 --> 04:31:40,080
» sorry I was confused.

5617
04:31:40,080 --> 04:31:45,270
You have an amendment coming up. Yes.

5618
04:31:45,280 --> 04:31:46,878
» Councelor Kimson, you have another

5619
04:31:46,878 --> 04:31:48,718
amendment.

5620
04:31:48,718 --> 04:31:59,270
>> I know it.

5621
04:31:59,280 --> 04:32:02,320
» Hello again. It's me. Um moved by

5622
04:32:02,320 --> 04:32:04,878
myself, seconded by councelor Roberts.

5623
04:32:04,878 --> 04:32:06,480
Recommendation

5624
04:32:06,480 --> 04:32:09,120
that table 7.3A

5625
04:32:09,120 --> 04:32:14,080
row 4 of columns 3 4 and 5 RR zone R1

5626
04:32:14,080 --> 04:32:17,520
zone and R2 zone be amended by replacing

5627
04:32:17,520 --> 04:32:21,200
8 m with 6 m.

5628
04:32:21,200 --> 04:32:25,360
Recommendation two that table 7.3B

5629
04:32:25,360 --> 04:32:28,638
row three of columns three four and five

5630
04:32:28,638 --> 04:32:32,558
R1 zone R2 zone and R3 zone be amended

5631
04:32:32,558 --> 04:32:36,400
by replacing 8 m with 6 m.

5632
04:32:36,400 --> 04:32:38,558
Recommendation three that the following

5633
04:32:38,558 --> 04:32:41,600
sentence of section 4.18

5634
04:32:41,600 --> 04:32:44,320
subsection B and C be deleted. Quote,

5635
04:32:44,320 --> 04:32:46,798
"Notwithstanding the above, in no case

5636
04:32:46,798 --> 04:32:48,638
shall the front yard for the attached

5637
04:32:48,638 --> 04:32:51,360
private garage facing the street or

5638
04:32:51,360 --> 04:32:56,230
highway be less than 8 m."

5639
04:32:56,240 --> 04:32:57,680
» And this is where you have the

5640
04:32:57,680 --> 04:32:59,360
amendment, correct?

5641
04:32:59,360 --> 04:33:11,670
>> Okay, now I got it.

5642
04:33:11,680 --> 04:33:14,320
» And this will be surprisingly quick.

5643
04:33:14,320 --> 04:33:16,400
um

5644
04:33:16,400 --> 04:33:19,280
the 8 meter nice generous doesn't quite

5645
04:33:19,280 --> 04:33:20,958
have to be that um what the only amend

5646
04:33:20,958 --> 04:33:22,240
the amendment I would like to make to

5647
04:33:22,240 --> 04:33:24,400
this is basically a compromise that you

5648
04:33:24,400 --> 04:33:26,320
take this motion it's exact wording

5649
04:33:26,320 --> 04:33:29,760
where it says where it says six replace

5650
04:33:29,760 --> 04:33:31,840
with seven

5651
04:33:31,840 --> 04:33:34,480
and the last line to be removed does not

5652
04:33:34,480 --> 04:33:36,320
get removed but where it says eight it

5653
04:33:36,320 --> 04:33:37,840
says seven so basically they're going

5654
04:33:37,840 --> 04:33:40,320
down to six um I think that's a bit much

5655
04:33:40,320 --> 04:33:42,798
to cut off from reasons we heard before

5656
04:33:42,798 --> 04:33:44,638
about people's needs. Um, I think an

5657
04:33:44,638 --> 04:33:46,000
appropriate compromise would be seven

5658
04:33:46,000 --> 04:33:47,920
meters.

5659
04:33:47,920 --> 04:33:50,470
>> Okay, we're going to call for that vote.

5660
04:33:50,470 --> 04:33:50,480
» Okay, we're going to call for that vote.

5661
04:33:50,480 --> 04:33:53,270
>> Oh, you need a seconder. Sorry.

5662
04:33:53,270 --> 04:33:53,280
» Oh, you need a seconder. Sorry.

5663
04:33:53,280 --> 04:33:58,548
>> Okay,

5664
04:33:58,558 --> 04:34:03,510
» opening voting.

5665
04:34:03,520 --> 04:34:06,400
» Sorry.

5666
04:34:06,400 --> 04:34:07,910
>> Oh, yeah. I just wanted to get through

5667
04:34:07,910 --> 04:34:07,920
» Oh, yeah. I just wanted to get through

5668
04:34:07,920 --> 04:34:13,430
everything. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry.

5669
04:34:13,440 --> 04:34:14,958
All right. Thank you, Mayor Jan. Um,

5670
04:34:14,958 --> 04:34:17,120
this question is probably for Hardy, I

5671
04:34:17,120 --> 04:34:18,718
would imagine, or one of our planners

5672
04:34:18,718 --> 04:34:20,240
potentially. Um, what sort of

5673
04:34:20,240 --> 04:34:21,680
implications will there be? We heard

5674
04:34:21,680 --> 04:34:23,440
about significant implications of going

5675
04:34:23,440 --> 04:34:25,920
to 8 mters. Will there still be

5676
04:34:25,920 --> 04:34:28,638
significant implications um for some of

5677
04:34:28,638 --> 04:34:29,920
those properties that we had talked

5678
04:34:29,920 --> 04:34:32,558
about, if we go to seven as opposed to

5679
04:34:32,558 --> 04:34:35,590
six?

5680
04:34:35,600 --> 04:34:37,440
» Sorry, I can't turn my head around.

5681
04:34:37,440 --> 04:34:39,110
>> To you, Madame Mayor. Uh, thank you for

5682
04:34:39,110 --> 04:34:39,120
» To you, Madame Mayor. Uh, thank you for

5683
04:34:39,120 --> 04:34:42,160
the question. Um so I I would imagine uh

5684
04:34:42,160 --> 04:34:45,200
the feedback we would receive from the

5685
04:34:45,200 --> 04:34:47,680
building industry is very similar uh

5686
04:34:47,680 --> 04:34:50,240
that uh anything beyond six really would

5687
04:34:50,240 --> 04:34:53,840
have an impact on on home design in in

5688
04:34:53,840 --> 04:34:56,958
some way. So um I guess I'd leave it at

5689
04:34:56,958 --> 04:34:58,878
that that I I I think it probably would

5690
04:34:58,878 --> 04:35:01,120
have an impact and that's why staff is

5691
04:35:01,120 --> 04:35:03,440
recommending uh you maintain the six

5692
04:35:03,440 --> 04:35:05,840
would be our our recommendation.

5693
04:35:05,840 --> 04:35:10,470
>> Okay. Thank you.

5694
04:35:10,480 --> 04:35:12,878
Okay, here we go. Councelor Cooper.

5695
04:35:12,878 --> 04:35:13,840
Great.

5696
04:35:13,840 --> 04:35:14,788
>> Just to that point, yeah, I mean,

5697
04:35:14,788 --> 04:35:14,798
» Just to that point, yeah, I mean,

5698
04:35:14,798 --> 04:35:16,080
there's pros and cons to everything we

5699
04:35:16,080 --> 04:35:17,680
do. I mean, if you listen to developers,

5700
04:35:17,680 --> 04:35:18,718
I mean, they'd love it if we went down

5701
04:35:18,718 --> 04:35:20,480
to one meter. Um, but we, you know, I

5702
04:35:20,480 --> 04:35:22,400
know who we're representing, and the

5703
04:35:22,400 --> 04:35:23,600
pros to this is this is going to be a

5704
04:35:23,600 --> 04:35:26,000
heck of a lot more useful to many people

5705
04:35:26,000 --> 04:35:27,520
um that are going to be using these

5706
04:35:27,520 --> 04:35:29,680
homes. Um, especially with the reasons

5707
04:35:29,680 --> 04:35:32,878
that um, councelor Divine gave. Um, of

5708
04:35:32,878 --> 04:35:33,920
course they're going to complain. That's

5709
04:35:33,920 --> 04:35:36,080
what developers do. Um, but we're repres

5710
04:35:36,080 --> 04:35:38,480
representing residents. I think 7 m is

5711
04:35:38,480 --> 04:35:40,878
uh is perfectly fine and I I do support

5712
04:35:40,878 --> 04:35:42,080
it.

5713
04:35:42,080 --> 04:35:44,628
>> Councelor Kimson,

5714
04:35:44,628 --> 04:35:44,638
» Councelor Kimson,

5715
04:35:44,638 --> 04:35:46,548
>> thank you very much and through you,

5716
04:35:46,548 --> 04:35:46,558
» thank you very much and through you,

5717
04:35:46,558 --> 04:35:49,760
Madame Mayor. Um

5718
04:35:49,760 --> 04:35:51,840
I guess I I just want to clarify that

5719
04:35:51,840 --> 04:35:53,600
this isn't something that we're going

5720
04:35:53,600 --> 04:35:57,360
from 8 and changing it to six. We are

5721
04:35:57,360 --> 04:36:00,240
already at six. And the difference

5722
04:36:00,240 --> 04:36:04,080
between 8 m and 6 m isn't going to have

5723
04:36:04,080 --> 04:36:06,718
any impact on solving our parking issues

5724
04:36:06,718 --> 04:36:08,160
because we're not going to be able to

5725
04:36:08,160 --> 04:36:09,920
fit another vehicle in that additional 2

5726
04:36:09,920 --> 04:36:12,080
m at the foot of the driveway. So, I

5727
04:36:12,080 --> 04:36:14,798
just want to be clear about that. I'm

5728
04:36:14,798 --> 04:36:17,280
concerned about the impact that it's

5729
04:36:17,280 --> 04:36:20,558
going to have on plans that are already

5730
04:36:20,558 --> 04:36:23,600
in the queue that have perhaps started

5731
04:36:23,600 --> 04:36:26,558
the process, but maybe it's at the

5732
04:36:26,558 --> 04:36:29,840
pre-conultation and the developers have

5733
04:36:29,840 --> 04:36:31,520
gone away and started drawing up their

5734
04:36:31,520 --> 04:36:33,120
plans based on what they've learned at

5735
04:36:33,120 --> 04:36:35,680
that time and they haven't yet submitted

5736
04:36:35,680 --> 04:36:39,040
it to us for approval or site plan and

5737
04:36:39,040 --> 04:36:41,520
and that's going to take more time and

5738
04:36:41,520 --> 04:36:42,878
that's going to add cost. So, I guess

5739
04:36:42,878 --> 04:36:46,958
I'm wondering if staff um how many

5740
04:36:46,958 --> 04:36:48,638
potential

5741
04:36:48,638 --> 04:36:51,520
people or units or developers, however

5742
04:36:51,520 --> 04:36:53,120
we want to say it, are going to be

5743
04:36:53,120 --> 04:37:00,390
affected by this change at this stage

5744
04:37:00,400 --> 04:37:02,000
» through you, mayor. Thanks for the

5745
04:37:02,000 --> 04:37:04,480
question. Um there's a number of ways

5746
04:37:04,480 --> 04:37:07,040
that this change will have implications.

5747
04:37:07,040 --> 04:37:12,558
So, as Brian mentioned, um it will and

5748
04:37:12,558 --> 04:37:15,440
as you're referring to impact the number

5749
04:37:15,440 --> 04:37:19,280
of potential units, but it also will

5750
04:37:19,280 --> 04:37:22,718
likely be difficult to navigate through

5751
04:37:22,718 --> 04:37:25,120
the OOLT if it gets challenged because

5752
04:37:25,120 --> 04:37:27,680
it is a common standard. And I would say

5753
04:37:27,680 --> 04:37:32,240
the last thing to keep in mind is uh if

5754
04:37:32,240 --> 04:37:34,958
a renovation comes in in an existing

5755
04:37:34,958 --> 04:37:37,440
dwelling built on the previous 6 meter

5756
04:37:37,440 --> 04:37:39,680
standard, they'll have to go through a

5757
04:37:39,680 --> 04:37:42,718
process of recogni being recognized as

5758
04:37:42,718 --> 04:37:45,200
legal non-conforming because they will

5759
04:37:45,200 --> 04:37:48,558
no longer have a driveway that meets the

5760
04:37:48,558 --> 04:37:53,750
enforce zoning bylaw.

5761
04:37:53,760 --> 04:37:56,718
Councelor Divine.

5762
04:37:56,718 --> 04:37:56,878
I

5763
04:37:56,878 --> 04:37:58,548
>> mean, this has been a hot topic for

5764
04:37:58,548 --> 04:37:58,558
» mean, this has been a hot topic for

5765
04:37:58,558 --> 04:38:02,798
sure. Uh 6 mters, it's awfully tight for

5766
04:38:02,798 --> 04:38:06,160
very very tight for an extended cab

5767
04:38:06,160 --> 04:38:08,638
F-150.

5768
04:38:08,638 --> 04:38:11,600
And if you put a uh crew cab, it's not

5769
04:38:11,600 --> 04:38:15,440
going to fit. Extended cab F-150 with an

5770
04:38:15,440 --> 04:38:18,718
8ft box is

5771
04:38:18,718 --> 04:38:21,360
250 in.

5772
04:38:21,360 --> 04:38:24,000
That's what it is. Now, the world's

5773
04:38:24,000 --> 04:38:26,958
changed. We have a lot of young people

5774
04:38:26,958 --> 04:38:29,280
today that are working out of their

5775
04:38:29,280 --> 04:38:32,000
homes that whether electricians,

5776
04:38:32,000 --> 04:38:34,638
plumbers, carpenters, or whatever, and

5777
04:38:34,638 --> 04:38:37,360
they're working out of their vehicles.

5778
04:38:37,360 --> 04:38:41,600
I would ask I would ask U council to

5779
04:38:41,600 --> 04:38:43,840
look at this 7 m because I think I think

5780
04:38:43,840 --> 04:38:47,120
it's logical. I think it's logical. All

5781
04:38:47,120 --> 04:38:50,160
right. So, I mean, I will support the 7

5782
04:38:50,160 --> 04:38:53,200
m because it makes sense to me. 6 m is

5783
04:38:53,200 --> 04:38:55,360
just it's off. It's too tight. It's just

5784
04:38:55,360 --> 04:38:57,760
far too tight for that type of vehicle.

5785
04:38:57,760 --> 04:39:00,080
All right. Unless, you know, we we're

5786
04:39:00,080 --> 04:39:02,400
going to tell people that uh you know

5787
04:39:02,400 --> 04:39:04,160
what vehicles they should be driving,

5788
04:39:04,160 --> 04:39:07,360
which I don't think they should, but um

5789
04:39:07,360 --> 04:39:14,160
you're you're 250 in. You're 250 in on a

5790
04:39:14,160 --> 04:39:15,760
extended cab pickup. That's not even a

5791
04:39:15,760 --> 04:39:18,400
crew cab. extended cab pickup with an 8

5792
04:39:18,400 --> 04:39:21,120
foot box and that's what most people in

5793
04:39:21,120 --> 04:39:24,240
construction use. Thank you.

5794
04:39:24,240 --> 04:39:25,990
>> Okay, councelor Kimson, then I'm calling

5795
04:39:25,990 --> 04:39:26,000
» Okay, councelor Kimson, then I'm calling

5796
04:39:26,000 --> 04:39:32,230
the question.

5797
04:39:32,240 --> 04:39:36,000
» So, we'll call the question now.

5798
04:39:36,000 --> 04:39:39,110
>> Opening voting.

5799
04:39:39,110 --> 04:39:39,120
» Opening voting.

5800
04:39:39,120 --> 04:39:44,310
>> We're voting on seven meters.

5801
04:39:44,320 --> 04:39:48,310
closing voting

5802
04:39:48,320 --> 04:39:52,958
and that is carried five to four.

5803
04:39:52,958 --> 04:40:23,920
Okay. So, we're voting on the main

5804
04:40:23,920 --> 04:40:27,040
motion with all of the amendments.

5805
04:40:27,040 --> 04:40:29,440
Sorry, sorry. The main amendment. So,

5806
04:40:29,440 --> 04:40:32,000
Council Kimson and Roberts for this

5807
04:40:32,000 --> 04:40:34,878
amendment. Councelor Cooper amended

5808
04:40:34,878 --> 04:40:36,400
their amendment. So, now you're back to

5809
04:40:36,400 --> 04:41:16,788
the original amendment. Council came.

5810
04:41:16,798 --> 04:41:19,200
Oh, wow. I don't think I've ever seen

5811
04:41:19,200 --> 04:41:22,080
this in all my years on council. So, now

5812
04:41:22,080 --> 04:41:25,200
we're going to vote on the amendment.

5813
04:41:25,200 --> 04:41:28,160
Your amendment with the changes for the

5814
04:41:28,160 --> 04:41:32,000
seven. That's the word. It's like having

5815
04:41:32,000 --> 04:41:33,600
a main motion and then having an

5816
04:41:33,600 --> 04:41:37,280
amendment on we voted for the amendment.

5817
04:41:37,280 --> 04:41:39,760
And now we're voting for the main motion

5818
04:41:39,760 --> 04:41:41,120
with the amendment only. It's your

5819
04:41:41,120 --> 04:41:46,788
amendment with the amendment. Got it.

5820
04:41:46,798 --> 04:41:49,520
» Yes.

5821
04:41:49,520 --> 04:41:51,350
>> It's seven meters no matter which way

5822
04:41:51,350 --> 04:41:51,360
» It's seven meters no matter which way

5823
04:41:51,360 --> 04:41:54,160
you look at it. So you can vote against

5824
04:41:54,160 --> 04:41:56,480
it again if you want, but then you've

5825
04:41:56,480 --> 04:42:00,718
lost the rest of your stuff, too.

5826
04:42:00,718 --> 04:42:01,270
>> Good.

5827
04:42:01,270 --> 04:42:01,280
» Good.

5828
04:42:01,280 --> 04:42:03,110
>> Yeah, I'm good. So, we're voting for

5829
04:42:03,110 --> 04:42:03,120
» Yeah, I'm good. So, we're voting for

5830
04:42:03,120 --> 04:42:06,558
seven meters again

5831
04:42:06,558 --> 04:42:12,628
and opening voting.

5832
04:42:12,638 --> 04:42:15,200
Closing voting

5833
04:42:15,200 --> 04:42:22,948
and that carries 6 to three.

5834
04:42:22,958 --> 04:42:25,280
Okay. So, now we're voting for the main

5835
04:42:25,280 --> 04:42:27,360
motion with all of the amendments on it.

5836
04:42:27,360 --> 04:42:29,680
Does everybody understand what Nick?

5837
04:42:29,680 --> 04:42:32,310
>> Thank you, Mayor J.

5838
04:42:32,310 --> 04:42:32,320
» Thank you, Mayor J.

5839
04:42:32,320 --> 04:42:34,240
A thought came to my head.

5840
04:42:34,240 --> 04:42:36,548
>> I would like to take some streets out of

5841
04:42:36,548 --> 04:42:36,558
» I would like to take some streets out of

5842
04:42:36,558 --> 04:42:39,920
the R2 zone and put them in the R1 zone

5843
04:42:39,920 --> 04:42:41,840
if we could at least have a vote on it.

5844
04:42:41,840 --> 04:42:42,390
>> No.

5845
04:42:42,390 --> 04:42:42,400
» No.

5846
04:42:42,400 --> 04:42:43,910
>> No, you won't allow that.

5847
04:42:43,910 --> 04:42:43,920
» No, you won't allow that.

5848
04:42:43,920 --> 04:42:45,270
>> No.

5849
04:42:45,270 --> 04:42:45,280
» No.

5850
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:45,990
>> Okay.

5851
04:42:45,990 --> 04:42:46,000
» Okay.

5852
04:42:46,000 --> 04:42:47,990
>> We're on the main motion like

5853
04:42:47,990 --> 04:42:48,000
» We're on the main motion like

5854
04:42:48,000 --> 04:42:49,670
>> Well, don't I have a right to put

5855
04:42:49,670 --> 04:42:49,680
» Well, don't I have a right to put

5856
04:42:49,680 --> 04:42:51,520
forward another amendment?

5857
04:42:51,520 --> 04:42:53,510
>> It's up to you. You're the chair. I'll

5858
04:42:53,510 --> 04:42:53,520
» It's up to you. You're the chair. I'll

5859
04:42:53,520 --> 04:42:55,040
just tell the residents that I made an

5860
04:42:55,040 --> 04:42:57,200
effort, but I would like to take Canon

5861
04:42:57,200 --> 04:42:57,760
Crescent.

5862
04:42:57,760 --> 04:42:59,750
>> Okay. Tell me the streets.

5863
04:42:59,750 --> 04:42:59,760
» Okay. Tell me the streets.

5864
04:42:59,760 --> 04:43:01,910
>> Tell me the streets. Okay.

5865
04:43:01,910 --> 04:43:01,920
» Tell me the streets. Okay.

5866
04:43:01,920 --> 04:43:05,110
>> So, I can vote against you.

5867
04:43:05,110 --> 04:43:05,120
» So, I can vote against you.

5868
04:43:05,120 --> 04:43:06,470
>> Well, it's your choice, but I'm

5869
04:43:06,470 --> 04:43:06,480
» Well, it's your choice, but I'm

5870
04:43:06,480 --> 04:43:07,120
accountable to

5871
04:43:07,120 --> 04:43:08,788
>> Just tell me the streets. Just tell me

5872
04:43:08,788 --> 04:43:08,798
» Just tell me the streets. Just tell me

5873
04:43:08,798 --> 04:43:09,520
the streets.

5874
04:43:09,520 --> 04:43:11,110
>> Okay.

5875
04:43:11,110 --> 04:43:11,120
» Okay.

5876
04:43:11,120 --> 04:43:13,590
>> Okay. There's only seven of them. So,

5877
04:43:13,590 --> 04:43:13,600
» Okay. There's only seven of them. So,

5878
04:43:13,600 --> 04:43:16,480
can Canning Crescent,

5879
04:43:16,480 --> 04:43:20,400
um, MC Tag Drive, Pearl Butt Place, Ben

5880
04:43:20,400 --> 04:43:24,480
Drive, Be Canon Lane, Tallow Tree Place,

5881
04:43:24,480 --> 04:43:26,878
and um, yeah, that's all of them. So

5882
04:43:26,878 --> 04:43:29,280
basically to change the R2 to the R1,

5883
04:43:29,280 --> 04:43:31,200
that's what I want to have a vote on and

5884
04:43:31,200 --> 04:43:33,040
I'll leave at that.

5885
04:43:33,040 --> 04:43:35,750
>> Okay. Can I have a input from staff on

5886
04:43:35,750 --> 04:43:35,760
» Okay. Can I have a input from staff on

5887
04:43:35,760 --> 04:43:44,548
this please?

5888
04:43:44,558 --> 04:43:47,280
» You have a seconder for this.

5889
04:43:47,280 --> 04:43:50,470
>> It's up to the council. Otherwise,

5890
04:43:50,470 --> 04:43:50,480
» It's up to the council. Otherwise,

5891
04:43:50,480 --> 04:43:56,628
have tried and

5892
04:43:56,638 --> 04:43:58,160
» that's what I'm I'm That's what I'm just

5893
04:43:58,160 --> 04:44:02,470
asking staff all about.

5894
04:44:02,480 --> 04:44:04,240
» I think we're I think we're hurting

5895
04:44:04,240 --> 04:44:08,708
their brains over there.

5896
04:44:08,718 --> 04:44:10,240
» It's not about that. It's about what we

5897
04:44:10,240 --> 04:44:12,638
can do and what we can't do. Uh through

5898
04:44:12,638 --> 04:44:15,200
you, mayor. Um the consequence of this

5899
04:44:15,200 --> 04:44:17,920
would be the map that needs to get

5900
04:44:17,920 --> 04:44:19,680
approved with the main motion would have

5901
04:44:19,680 --> 04:44:22,558
to be taken back and amended. So staff

5902
04:44:22,558 --> 04:44:25,760
would request that this motion be

5903
04:44:25,760 --> 04:44:28,558
deferred to the phase two of the zoning

5904
04:44:28,558 --> 04:44:31,040
bylaw review.

5905
04:44:31,040 --> 04:44:33,430
>> Can we do that

5906
04:44:33,430 --> 04:44:33,440
» Can we do that

5907
04:44:33,440 --> 04:44:36,400
with the half funding? Hang on. Hang on.

5908
04:44:36,400 --> 04:44:40,480
Hang on. Hang on. Can we do that?

5909
04:44:40,480 --> 04:44:43,520
just uh we're just uh recommending that

5910
04:44:43,520 --> 04:44:47,120
the motion be deferred so that the main

5911
04:44:47,120 --> 04:44:49,600
recommendation with the current mapping

5912
04:44:49,600 --> 04:44:51,440
can proceed

5913
04:44:51,440 --> 04:44:52,400
today.

5914
04:44:52,400 --> 04:44:55,350
>> I don't think we are. Isn't the main

5915
04:44:55,350 --> 04:44:55,360
» I don't think we are. Isn't the main

5916
04:44:55,360 --> 04:44:59,750
motion to do with the whole

5917
04:44:59,760 --> 04:45:00,878
I know you're supposed to be the

5918
04:45:00,878 --> 04:45:02,160
experts, but I don't want to make a

5919
04:45:02,160 --> 04:45:07,750
mistake here because

5920
04:45:07,760 --> 04:45:09,920
through you, mayor, staff could take a

5921
04:45:09,920 --> 04:45:12,000
staff direction

5922
04:45:12,000 --> 04:45:15,520
with so revise this motion to amend to a

5923
04:45:15,520 --> 04:45:19,760
staff direction to explore removing the

5924
04:45:19,760 --> 04:45:22,480
list of streets

5925
04:45:22,480 --> 04:45:28,240
um from R2 to R1 uh through phase two of

5926
04:45:28,240 --> 04:45:30,240
the zoning bylaw. We could take that as

5927
04:45:30,240 --> 04:45:34,240
a staff direction. That'll have us do

5928
04:45:34,240 --> 04:45:35,840
that work at that time.

5929
04:45:35,840 --> 04:45:38,070
>> So then we run the risk too of other

5930
04:45:38,070 --> 04:45:38,080
» So then we run the risk too of other

5931
04:45:38,080 --> 04:45:40,400
streets residents coming forward wanting

5932
04:45:40,400 --> 04:45:44,480
other streets put on that list again.

5933
04:45:44,480 --> 04:45:48,230
>> Yes. Okay.

5934
04:45:48,240 --> 04:45:49,760
» You didn't have a seconder, did you,

5935
04:45:49,760 --> 04:45:52,798
Nick? council,

5936
04:45:52,798 --> 04:45:59,590
but otherwise I just

5937
04:45:59,600 --> 04:46:01,520
» you have no seconders. So your motion

5938
04:46:01,520 --> 04:46:02,878
your thing fails.

5939
04:46:02,878 --> 04:46:04,948
>> It'll be in the minute.

5940
04:46:04,948 --> 04:46:04,958
» It'll be in the minute.

5941
04:46:04,958 --> 04:46:07,190
>> Okay. Okay. I I know where you're going.

5942
04:46:07,190 --> 04:46:07,200
» Okay. Okay. I I know where you're going.

5943
04:46:07,200 --> 04:46:10,000
That's good. Okay.

5944
04:46:10,000 --> 04:46:12,708
>> Now,

5945
04:46:12,708 --> 04:46:12,718
» Now,

5946
04:46:12,718 --> 04:46:13,510
>> main motion.

5947
04:46:13,510 --> 04:46:13,520
» main motion.

5948
04:46:13,520 --> 04:46:16,070
>> Main motion with the amendments.

5949
04:46:16,070 --> 04:46:16,080
» Main motion with the amendments.

5950
04:46:16,080 --> 04:46:18,230
>> Please ask me to try and read that.

5951
04:46:18,230 --> 04:46:18,240
» Please ask me to try and read that.

5952
04:46:18,240 --> 04:46:19,270
>> Yeah, she's not going to read it.

5953
04:46:19,270 --> 04:46:19,280
» Yeah, she's not going to read it.

5954
04:46:19,280 --> 04:46:20,558
Everybody knows what the amendments

5955
04:46:20,558 --> 04:46:23,440
were, right? It's really messy up here.

5956
04:46:23,440 --> 04:46:26,320
Okay.

5957
04:46:26,320 --> 04:46:28,878
So,

5958
04:46:28,878 --> 04:46:36,390
call the question.

5959
04:46:36,400 --> 04:46:42,548
Opening voting.

5960
04:46:42,558 --> 04:46:46,070
Closing voting.

5961
04:46:46,080 --> 04:46:50,390
That carries six to three.

5962
04:46:50,400 --> 04:46:53,120
Okay. So, I think we only have one more

5963
04:46:53,120 --> 04:46:55,840
to go and

5964
04:46:55,840 --> 04:46:58,320
that's Council Schwar's motion to do

5965
04:46:58,320 --> 04:47:01,840
with the LRT funding. And you're

5966
04:47:01,840 --> 04:47:03,360
amending

5967
04:47:03,360 --> 04:47:05,920
or am I amending? I'm amending your

5968
04:47:05,920 --> 04:47:08,558
motion or do you want to just change

5969
04:47:08,558 --> 04:47:10,798
your original motion?

5970
04:47:10,798 --> 04:47:12,230
>> Sorry. You're going to take that last

5971
04:47:12,230 --> 04:47:12,240
» Sorry. You're going to take that last

5972
04:47:12,240 --> 04:47:17,910
sentence out. Okay.

5973
04:47:17,920 --> 04:47:29,910
Okay. Can you read your motion, please?

5974
04:47:29,920 --> 04:47:45,030
Where is it? Ah, where are we? Okay.

5975
04:47:45,040 --> 04:47:47,520
Thank you, Mayor Liot. Uh moved by

5976
04:47:47,520 --> 04:47:50,878
myself, seconded by councelor Cooper.

5977
04:47:50,878 --> 04:47:52,798
Whereas the city of Cambridge has

5978
04:47:52,798 --> 04:47:55,680
contributed approximately over $60

5979
04:47:55,680 --> 04:47:59,520
million towards the Kitchener Waterl ion

5980
04:47:59,520 --> 04:48:02,320
stage 1 capital costs since the

5981
04:48:02,320 --> 04:48:05,120
inception of the regional transportation

5982
04:48:05,120 --> 04:48:09,200
master plan funding strategy in 2011.

5983
04:48:09,200 --> 04:48:11,440
while Kitner Waterlue will not be

5984
04:48:11,440 --> 04:48:14,558
contributed to Cambridge's ion stage 2

5985
04:48:14,558 --> 04:48:16,878
capital cost. Whereas the city of

5986
04:48:16,878 --> 04:48:18,718
Cambridge has been funding the

5987
04:48:18,718 --> 04:48:21,760
operations of the Kiter Water ion stage

5988
04:48:21,760 --> 04:48:25,440
1 since approximately 2019 and has

5989
04:48:25,440 --> 04:48:28,480
received none of the financial benefits

5990
04:48:28,480 --> 04:48:32,160
from the stated $5 billion and economic

5991
04:48:32,160 --> 04:48:35,440
investment that both Kitner and Waterlue

5992
04:48:35,440 --> 04:48:38,160
have received. Now, therefore, be it

5993
04:48:38,160 --> 04:48:40,798
resolved that the Cambridge Council

5994
04:48:40,798 --> 04:48:42,958
requests that the region of Waterlue

5995
04:48:42,958 --> 04:48:45,680
provide a funding breakdown detailing

5996
04:48:45,680 --> 04:48:48,160
the total capital and maintenance costs

5997
04:48:48,160 --> 04:48:50,320
levied on the Cambridge residents

5998
04:48:50,320 --> 04:48:53,760
relating to ion stage 1. That Cambridge

5999
04:48:53,760 --> 04:48:56,400
residents be reimbursed for the money

6000
04:48:56,400 --> 04:48:59,440
they have contributed to ion stage 1.

6001
04:48:59,440 --> 04:49:02,480
and that the region be requested to

6002
04:49:02,480 --> 04:49:04,798
communicate a plan on how reimbursement

6003
04:49:04,798 --> 04:49:07,200
will be achieved within the first

6004
04:49:07,200 --> 04:49:10,718
quarter of 2026. And if I may speak to

6005
04:49:10,718 --> 04:49:12,400
it.

6006
04:49:12,400 --> 04:49:15,750
>> Okay. There's no questions to staff up

6007
04:49:15,750 --> 04:49:15,760
» Okay. There's no questions to staff up

6008
04:49:15,760 --> 04:49:18,400
here, so go for it.

6009
04:49:18,400 --> 04:49:20,230
>> Councelor Kimson, you have a question to

6010
04:49:20,230 --> 04:49:20,240
» Councelor Kimson, you have a question to

6011
04:49:20,240 --> 04:49:21,200
staff?

6012
04:49:21,200 --> 04:49:23,830
>> I do. Okay.

6013
04:49:23,830 --> 04:49:23,840
» I do. Okay.

6014
04:49:23,840 --> 04:49:26,958
Um, thank you, Mayor Jan, for you. Um, I

6015
04:49:26,958 --> 04:49:30,638
guess my question to staff is, is this

6016
04:49:30,638 --> 04:49:33,760
even possible for a lower tier

6017
04:49:33,760 --> 04:49:39,280
municipality to ask an upper tier

6018
04:49:39,280 --> 04:49:42,320
to do this?

6019
04:49:42,320 --> 04:49:44,150
>> We can request anybody to do anything.

6020
04:49:44,150 --> 04:49:44,160
» We can request anybody to do anything.

6021
04:49:44,160 --> 04:49:47,200
Do you want to speak to this?

6022
04:49:47,200 --> 04:49:49,590
>> Through you, mayor. So, a council can

6023
04:49:49,590 --> 04:49:49,600
» Through you, mayor. So, a council can

6024
04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:53,680
make a request on it. uh the uh upper

6025
04:49:53,680 --> 04:49:56,080
level government can do what they want

6026
04:49:56,080 --> 04:49:58,240
with that request uh to their

6027
04:49:58,240 --> 04:50:03,110
prerogative.

6028
04:50:03,120 --> 04:50:08,160
» Can I ask everybody I mean we all know

6029
04:50:08,160 --> 04:50:10,638
like let's not go on and on and on for

6030
04:50:10,638 --> 04:50:14,310
the

6031
04:50:14,320 --> 04:50:17,360
» Go ahead councelor Hamilton.

6032
04:50:17,360 --> 04:50:18,708
>> Thank you Mayor Leot and I'll make it

6033
04:50:18,708 --> 04:50:18,718
» Thank you Mayor Leot and I'll make it

6034
04:50:18,718 --> 04:50:20,718
quick. I think this question is for Rob.

6035
04:50:20,718 --> 04:50:24,400
Um but the the second therefore be it

6036
04:50:24,400 --> 04:50:25,840
resolved there's no mention of a

6037
04:50:25,840 --> 04:50:27,680
request. It just says that Cambridge

6038
04:50:27,680 --> 04:50:29,280
residents be reimbursed for the money

6039
04:50:29,280 --> 04:50:32,000
they contributed for stage one. Is that

6040
04:50:32,000 --> 04:50:36,070
enforceable

6041
04:50:36,080 --> 04:50:37,520
through you? So the way the way it is

6042
04:50:37,520 --> 04:50:39,360
worded the first bullet somewhat

6043
04:50:39,360 --> 04:50:42,400
references into the second bullet on

6044
04:50:42,400 --> 04:50:45,040
this particular motion the way I'm kind

6045
04:50:45,040 --> 04:50:48,638
of reading it. Um but but that said uh

6046
04:50:48,638 --> 04:50:51,120
it it it should be saying request it it

6047
04:50:51,120 --> 04:50:53,360
all it's all a request because can that

6048
04:50:53,360 --> 04:50:56,400
actually happen like we you as council

6049
04:50:56,400 --> 04:50:57,920
can't make a decision for regional

6050
04:50:57,920 --> 04:50:59,520
council regional council has to make

6051
04:50:59,520 --> 04:51:02,000
their own decision. So you have to

6052
04:51:02,000 --> 04:51:04,160
follow that uh train of logic in order

6053
04:51:04,160 --> 04:51:06,320
for them to to to change their mind on

6054
04:51:06,320 --> 04:51:07,840
something. I appreciate the

6055
04:51:07,840 --> 04:51:09,280
clarification because the others said

6056
04:51:09,280 --> 04:51:10,718
request and that one didn't. So thank

6057
04:51:10,718 --> 04:51:12,160
you

6058
04:51:12,160 --> 04:51:14,548
>> councelor Cooper.

6059
04:51:14,548 --> 04:51:14,558
» councelor Cooper.

6060
04:51:14,558 --> 04:51:16,070
>> Thank you Mig. Uh this is a very

6061
04:51:16,070 --> 04:51:16,080
» Thank you Mig. Uh this is a very

6062
04:51:16,080 --> 04:51:17,760
contentious issue. Um a lot of people

6063
04:51:17,760 --> 04:51:20,080
are making comments on it. Um I know

6064
04:51:20,080 --> 04:51:21,840
what time it is. Uh I'd like to be

6065
04:51:21,840 --> 04:51:23,280
quick. There's a lot that has to be said

6066
04:51:23,280 --> 04:51:26,160
about exactly what this is we're doing.

6067
04:51:26,160 --> 04:51:27,760
Okay. And why this is coming about

6068
04:51:27,760 --> 04:51:29,360
because I'm

6069
04:51:29,360 --> 04:51:32,150
>> hang on. I know everybody wants to talk

6070
04:51:32,150 --> 04:51:32,160
» hang on. I know everybody wants to talk

6071
04:51:32,160 --> 04:51:35,280
on this for a long time, but can you

6072
04:51:35,280 --> 04:51:37,120
really keep it short?

6073
04:51:37,120 --> 04:51:38,390
>> What I'm going to say is very important

6074
04:51:38,390 --> 04:51:38,400
» What I'm going to say is very important

6075
04:51:38,400 --> 04:51:41,360
here regarding the last time. Councelor

6076
04:51:41,360 --> 04:51:43,040
Hamilton was right. You did go on eight

6077
04:51:43,040 --> 04:51:43,440
minutes.

6078
04:51:43,440 --> 04:51:44,548
>> Okay. Okay. Well, I'm going 8 minutes

6079
04:51:44,548 --> 04:51:44,558
» Okay. Okay. Well, I'm going 8 minutes

6080
04:51:44,558 --> 04:51:45,510
>> because it's

6081
04:51:45,510 --> 04:51:45,520
» because it's

6082
04:51:45,520 --> 04:51:46,310
>> I can say this

6083
04:51:46,310 --> 04:51:46,320
» I can say this

6084
04:51:46,320 --> 04:51:48,150
>> quart to 12 and I don't want to get into

6085
04:51:48,150 --> 04:51:48,160
» quart to 12 and I don't want to get into

6086
04:51:48,160 --> 04:51:48,798
tomorrow.

6087
04:51:48,798 --> 04:51:49,910
>> Do what I can, but I just want to

6088
04:51:49,910 --> 04:51:49,920
» Do what I can, but I just want to

6089
04:51:49,920 --> 04:51:51,520
explain exactly what this is and why

6090
04:51:51,520 --> 04:51:54,400
we're doing it. Okay. A lot of BS going

6091
04:51:54,400 --> 04:51:56,400
out around about this. Um, this is not

6092
04:51:56,400 --> 04:51:58,958
about supporting the LRT. Got nothing to

6093
04:51:58,958 --> 04:52:00,638
do with that or opposing it. This is

6094
04:52:00,638 --> 04:52:02,558
about honoring our fiscal responsibility

6095
04:52:02,558 --> 04:52:05,120
to those that we represent and writing a

6096
04:52:05,120 --> 04:52:07,600
very expensive wrong. Uh, I'll be blunt

6097
04:52:07,600 --> 04:52:09,200
here. I believe financially we got

6098
04:52:09,200 --> 04:52:11,040
screwed here and I'm going to tell you

6099
04:52:11,040 --> 04:52:14,000
why. Just a few points.

6100
04:52:14,000 --> 04:52:16,080
unequal treatment. Cambridge has does

6101
04:52:16,080 --> 04:52:19,200
not currently receive LRT service, yet

6102
04:52:19,200 --> 04:52:21,040
we have been required to contribute

6103
04:52:21,040 --> 04:52:23,840
financially. Surrounding townships also

6104
04:52:23,840 --> 04:52:25,920
do not receive service, but have not

6105
04:52:25,920 --> 04:52:28,160
been required to pay toward its capital

6106
04:52:28,160 --> 04:52:30,718
costs and operations. Municipalities

6107
04:52:30,718 --> 04:52:33,120
that receive equal levels of service

6108
04:52:33,120 --> 04:52:35,840
should be treated equally. We are not.

6109
04:52:35,840 --> 04:52:38,958
There's also economic equality as the uh

6110
04:52:38,958 --> 04:52:41,040
region likes to likes to boast about the

6111
04:52:41,040 --> 04:52:43,120
LRTdriven development and assessment

6112
04:52:43,120 --> 04:52:46,400
growth is about 5.2 billion. Apparently,

6113
04:52:46,400 --> 04:52:48,080
townships were never expected to receive

6114
04:52:48,080 --> 04:52:50,320
the benefits from these assessments. So,

6115
04:52:50,320 --> 04:52:53,120
they didn't have to pay. Cambridge was

6116
04:52:53,120 --> 04:52:56,160
asked to pay but has received nothing in

6117
04:52:56,160 --> 04:52:57,760
return. Some of these assessments went

6118
04:52:57,760 --> 04:52:59,840
directly to Kitchener. They went

6119
04:52:59,840 --> 04:53:03,040
directly to Waterloo. Nothing came to

6120
04:53:03,040 --> 04:53:06,160
us. If financial benefit is being reaped

6121
04:53:06,160 --> 04:53:08,400
by others but not by us, then our

6122
04:53:08,400 --> 04:53:11,360
financial responsibility should end and

6123
04:53:11,360 --> 04:53:13,280
our past contributions should be

6124
04:53:13,280 --> 04:53:15,360
addressed.

6125
04:53:15,360 --> 04:53:17,120
Saying that we will eventually benefit

6126
04:53:17,120 --> 04:53:19,120
from the LRT is not an excuse to ignore

6127
04:53:19,120 --> 04:53:21,120
the fiscal responsibility we have to

6128
04:53:21,120 --> 04:53:23,360
expose and correct what many see as a

6129
04:53:23,360 --> 04:53:25,920
shocking misuse of Cambridge taxpayer

6130
04:53:25,920 --> 04:53:28,000
money, as well as a shocking lack of

6131
04:53:28,000 --> 04:53:29,120
action from those that should have

6132
04:53:29,120 --> 04:53:30,400
prevented this from happening in the

6133
04:53:30,400 --> 04:53:32,638
first place.

6134
04:53:32,638 --> 04:53:34,320
Cambridge Cambridge's contribution was

6135
04:53:34,320 --> 04:53:35,680
made with the understanding that LRT

6136
04:53:35,680 --> 04:53:37,360
would expand to Cambridge, expand to

6137
04:53:37,360 --> 04:53:39,440
Cambridge within a reasonable time. That

6138
04:53:39,440 --> 04:53:42,160
has change. That assumption has changed.

6139
04:53:42,160 --> 04:53:44,000
It will take many years before this

6140
04:53:44,000 --> 04:53:45,360
comes. It'll take many of years before

6141
04:53:45,360 --> 04:53:47,360
it even starts, if it ever comes. When

6142
04:53:47,360 --> 04:53:49,600
the situation has changed, financial

6143
04:53:49,600 --> 04:53:52,240
arrangements need to be revised.

6144
04:53:52,240 --> 04:53:54,320
Reimbursement would not give Cambridge

6145
04:53:54,320 --> 04:53:56,400
special treatment. It would simply place

6146
04:53:56,400 --> 04:53:58,480
Cambridge in the same financial position

6147
04:53:58,480 --> 04:54:01,520
as other non-served municipalities until

6148
04:54:01,520 --> 04:54:03,680
LRT is actually delivered. If that

6149
04:54:03,680 --> 04:54:05,680
happens, this could be achieved through

6150
04:54:05,680 --> 04:54:08,480
rebate, credit against future transit

6151
04:54:08,480 --> 04:54:10,558
contributions, suspension of capital

6152
04:54:10,558 --> 04:54:12,798
costs until service begins. This

6153
04:54:12,798 --> 04:54:14,718
reimbursement would equalize treatment

6154
04:54:14,718 --> 04:54:17,440
across the region. Almost done here. Our

6155
04:54:17,440 --> 04:54:19,520
relationship with the region depends on

6156
04:54:19,520 --> 04:54:21,920
cooperation and trust. If we are

6157
04:54:21,920 --> 04:54:23,920
expected to continue paying while

6158
04:54:23,920 --> 04:54:26,878
receiving no service alongside seeing

6159
04:54:26,878 --> 04:54:29,520
other non-served municipalities exempt

6160
04:54:29,520 --> 04:54:31,360
from paying, then our relationship with

6161
04:54:31,360 --> 04:54:34,160
the region is compromised. Fairness and

6162
04:54:34,160 --> 04:54:35,840
equity is essential to a good

6163
04:54:35,840 --> 04:54:37,680
relationship.

6164
04:54:37,680 --> 04:54:39,920
Revisiting Cambridge's contribution now

6165
04:54:39,920 --> 04:54:41,760
restores fairness, builds goodwill,

6166
04:54:41,760 --> 04:54:43,920
andre increases support for future

6167
04:54:43,920 --> 04:54:47,120
expansion. Last bit here. We are not

6168
04:54:47,120 --> 04:54:49,520
asking for preferential treatment. We

6169
04:54:49,520 --> 04:54:51,200
are asking to be treated the same as

6170
04:54:51,200 --> 04:54:53,120
other municipalities that have not

6171
04:54:53,120 --> 04:54:55,440
received service until that day the

6172
04:54:55,440 --> 04:55:00,948
service actually reaches our city.

6173
04:55:00,958 --> 04:55:03,280
Okay, I see you're all loading up to

6174
04:55:03,280 --> 04:55:06,080
speak on this.

6175
04:55:06,080 --> 04:55:08,080
I'm not going to let you go on for five

6176
04:55:08,080 --> 04:55:09,760
minutes. It's just not going to happen

6177
04:55:09,760 --> 04:55:15,040
here. Um, councelor Kimson,

6178
04:55:15,040 --> 04:55:17,910
>> thank you very much, Mayor Janu.

6179
04:55:17,910 --> 04:55:17,920
» thank you very much, Mayor Janu.

6180
04:55:17,920 --> 04:55:19,440
I'm not saying that I'm pleased that

6181
04:55:19,440 --> 04:55:21,440
Cambridge has been paying for the LRT

6182
04:55:21,440 --> 04:55:24,000
all of this time. However, we need to

6183
04:55:24,000 --> 04:55:26,798
respect the decisions that were made by

6184
04:55:26,798 --> 04:55:28,798
the previous council.

6185
04:55:28,798 --> 04:55:30,788
>> This was a decision that was made by the

6186
04:55:30,788 --> 04:55:30,798
» This was a decision that was made by the

6187
04:55:30,798 --> 04:55:32,958
elected council of the day following the

6188
04:55:32,958 --> 04:55:36,240
due process and that yes, the surrounded

6189
04:55:36,240 --> 04:55:38,320
townships are not paying into it, but

6190
04:55:38,320 --> 04:55:40,240
that was the decision that was made

6191
04:55:40,240 --> 04:55:43,040
democratically by the elected officials

6192
04:55:43,040 --> 04:55:45,200
at the time. And when we talk about

6193
04:55:45,200 --> 04:55:47,200
cooperation and trust, we have to

6194
04:55:47,200 --> 04:55:49,680
respect the decisions that are made by

6195
04:55:49,680 --> 04:55:51,360
the different levels of government who

6196
04:55:51,360 --> 04:55:54,000
hold the appropriate jurisdiction. And

6197
04:55:54,000 --> 04:55:56,080
this is something where while I

6198
04:55:56,080 --> 04:55:58,878
appreciate that yes, the other areas

6199
04:55:58,878 --> 04:56:01,120
have benefited from the LRT and we have

6200
04:56:01,120 --> 04:56:04,878
not yet. But following phase 2, it is

6201
04:56:04,878 --> 04:56:07,520
now in place. It is now going forward.

6202
04:56:07,520 --> 04:56:09,200
Should things change, then we can

6203
04:56:09,200 --> 04:56:12,240
re-evaluate at the time. But I again

6204
04:56:12,240 --> 04:56:14,080
want to reiterate that the democratic

6205
04:56:14,080 --> 04:56:15,840
process was followed and we need to

6206
04:56:15,840 --> 04:56:17,840
respect the decision that was decided at

6207
04:56:17,840 --> 04:56:21,910
the time. Thank you,

6208
04:56:21,920 --> 04:56:23,040
» Councelor Meta.

6209
04:56:23,040 --> 04:56:24,868
>> Well, thank you, Mayor Jan. I won't go

6210
04:56:24,868 --> 04:56:24,878
» Well, thank you, Mayor Jan. I won't go

6211
04:56:24,878 --> 04:56:26,878
on and on or I'll try not to, but um

6212
04:56:26,878 --> 04:56:29,200
from my perspective, I disagreed with

6213
04:56:29,200 --> 04:56:31,520
the decision then and I disagree with it

6214
04:56:31,520 --> 04:56:34,320
now. And um from my perspective, I have

6215
04:56:34,320 --> 04:56:36,080
to stand up for what I think is right.

6216
04:56:36,080 --> 04:56:38,480
And I think a lot of money has left this

6217
04:56:38,480 --> 04:56:41,200
city and I think we're at a disadvantage

6218
04:56:41,200 --> 04:56:44,160
for that reason. And this does level the

6219
04:56:44,160 --> 04:56:46,558
playing field. It does put the city on a

6220
04:56:46,558 --> 04:56:48,638
more equal level than what we have than

6221
04:56:48,638 --> 04:56:51,280
where we are right now. And uh 60

6222
04:56:51,280 --> 04:56:53,280
million is a lot of money. That's 300

6223
04:56:53,280 --> 04:56:56,080
playgrounds, maybe more if we can get

6224
04:56:56,080 --> 04:56:58,320
better pricing. So, you know, there's a

6225
04:56:58,320 --> 04:57:00,480
lot of good we could do with that money.

6226
04:57:00,480 --> 04:57:02,160
and um there's services that the

6227
04:57:02,160 --> 04:57:04,718
residents would like us to to spend on

6228
04:57:04,718 --> 04:57:07,520
rather than the LRT. So from my

6229
04:57:07,520 --> 04:57:09,440
perspective, I'm fully supportive of

6230
04:57:09,440 --> 04:57:13,910
this motion. Thank you,

6231
04:57:13,920 --> 04:57:15,440
» Councelor Robertson. That's the last

6232
04:57:15,440 --> 04:57:17,280
speaker because we've still got all the

6233
04:57:17,280 --> 04:57:18,798
rest of it to do and we have to have

6234
04:57:18,798 --> 04:57:21,920
this done by midnight. We have to have

6235
04:57:21,920 --> 04:57:24,948
>> all the confir No, no confirmatory bylaw

6236
04:57:24,948 --> 04:57:24,958
» all the confir No, no confirmatory bylaw

6237
04:57:24,958 --> 04:57:26,320
has to be done.

6238
04:57:26,320 --> 04:57:27,510
>> No, I'm going to allow you. I'm just

6239
04:57:27,510 --> 04:57:27,520
» No, I'm going to allow you. I'm just

6240
04:57:27,520 --> 04:57:27,840
saying

6241
04:57:27,840 --> 04:57:29,510
>> I'll let Scott go. It's fine. Yeah, it's

6242
04:57:29,510 --> 04:57:29,520
» I'll let Scott go. It's fine. Yeah, it's

6243
04:57:29,520 --> 04:57:31,200
okay. I'm going to let you go. He's

6244
04:57:31,200 --> 04:57:33,680
already spoken on this once. So, you go.

6245
04:57:33,680 --> 04:57:35,270
>> I I don't think that he has spoken on

6246
04:57:35,270 --> 04:57:35,280
» I I don't think that he has spoken on

6247
04:57:35,280 --> 04:57:35,920
this issue.

6248
04:57:35,920 --> 04:57:39,110
>> He did. He's I thought you spoke after

6249
04:57:39,110 --> 04:57:39,120
» He did. He's I thought you spoke after

6250
04:57:39,120 --> 04:57:41,120
Scott did.

6251
04:57:41,120 --> 04:57:42,708
>> Oh, god.

6252
04:57:42,708 --> 04:57:42,718
» Oh, god.

6253
04:57:42,718 --> 04:57:44,548
>> Okay. So, everybody, we've got to get

6254
04:57:44,548 --> 04:57:44,558
» Okay. So, everybody, we've got to get

6255
04:57:44,558 --> 04:57:46,718
through this. Everything tonight.

6256
04:57:46,718 --> 04:57:47,270
>> I'll be quick.

6257
04:57:47,270 --> 04:57:47,280
» I'll be quick.

6258
04:57:47,280 --> 04:57:47,750
>> Can't go through

6259
04:57:47,750 --> 04:57:47,760
» Can't go through

6260
04:57:47,760 --> 04:57:50,868
>> and succinct. I promise.

6261
04:57:50,868 --> 04:57:50,878
» and succinct. I promise.

6262
04:57:50,878 --> 04:57:57,270
>> I'm sorry. What? I can't hear you all.

6263
04:57:57,280 --> 04:57:59,440
» Oh my god. Go ahead, Councelor Hamilton.

6264
04:57:59,440 --> 04:58:01,760
Go ahead.

6265
04:58:01,760 --> 04:58:06,708
>> Okay.

6266
04:58:06,718 --> 04:58:08,480
» Oh, that's me. So,

6267
04:58:08,480 --> 04:58:10,150
>> that's okay. Sorry, Council Roberts,

6268
04:58:10,150 --> 04:58:10,160
» that's okay. Sorry, Council Roberts,

6269
04:58:10,160 --> 04:58:11,360
please go afterwards. I'll limit this

6270
04:58:11,360 --> 04:58:14,320
and be quick. Uh I appreciate the urge

6271
04:58:14,320 --> 04:58:16,320
of fellow counselors to try and recoup

6272
04:58:16,320 --> 04:58:18,240
taxes during a very tough economic time,

6273
04:58:18,240 --> 04:58:20,400
but I feel the motion does send the

6274
04:58:20,400 --> 04:58:22,160
wrong message at a time where we need

6275
04:58:22,160 --> 04:58:24,798
unity in the region in terms of funding

6276
04:58:24,798 --> 04:58:26,798
to move on to stage two, which is the

6277
04:58:26,798 --> 04:58:29,200
business case and also regional unity in

6278
04:58:29,200 --> 04:58:31,520
what is a very fractured national and

6279
04:58:31,520 --> 04:58:33,760
geopolitical world. Um Cambridge has

6280
04:58:33,760 --> 04:58:36,080
received benefits. Assessment growth

6281
04:58:36,080 --> 04:58:37,760
from the region is not divided into

6282
04:58:37,760 --> 04:58:40,240
areas. Assessment growth is general. So,

6283
04:58:40,240 --> 04:58:41,760
we don't want the region coming back to

6284
04:58:41,760 --> 04:58:43,520
us and saying, "Give me my portion for

6285
04:58:43,520 --> 04:58:45,360
paying for McQueen Shaver or the East

6286
04:58:45,360 --> 04:58:48,718
Boundary Road." Um, I don't feel like

6287
04:58:48,718 --> 04:58:50,718
the motion is legal. I don't feel like

6288
04:58:50,718 --> 04:58:52,638
it's enforceable. I don't feel like it

6289
04:58:52,638 --> 04:58:54,878
paints a proper picture to our residents

6290
04:58:54,878 --> 04:58:57,920
to say that we can go and solicit funds

6291
04:58:57,920 --> 04:59:01,360
from other levels of government. Um

6292
04:59:01,360 --> 04:59:03,440
it's in our strategic plan that the LRT

6293
04:59:03,440 --> 04:59:05,280
is in the future vision of the city and

6294
04:59:05,280 --> 04:59:06,718
I think we should abide by the decisions

6295
04:59:06,718 --> 04:59:08,958
of previous councils uh regional

6296
04:59:08,958 --> 04:59:10,240
councils and other levels of government

6297
04:59:10,240 --> 04:59:12,480
to support this project at the benefit

6298
04:59:12,480 --> 04:59:15,440
to our future of the city and of all of

6299
04:59:15,440 --> 04:59:18,400
our residents. Thank you.

6300
04:59:18,400 --> 04:59:24,868
>> Okay, councelor Roris quick.

6301
04:59:24,878 --> 04:59:26,798
» I will be super quick. I just want to

6302
04:59:26,798 --> 04:59:28,320
say that I do understand the frustration

6303
04:59:28,320 --> 04:59:30,160
many residents feel about the delivery

6304
04:59:30,160 --> 04:59:31,680
of transit infrastructure here in

6305
04:59:31,680 --> 04:59:33,760
Cambridge, but it simply does not make

6306
04:59:33,760 --> 04:59:35,440
sense to demand reimbursement of funds

6307
04:59:35,440 --> 04:59:36,878
that were collected through a regional

6308
04:59:36,878 --> 04:59:38,878
tax system to support a regional

6309
04:59:38,878 --> 04:59:40,798
project. As a part of the region of

6310
04:59:40,798 --> 04:59:42,400
waterlue, we contribute collectively to

6311
04:59:42,400 --> 04:59:44,480
regionwide infrastructure whether it's

6312
04:59:44,480 --> 04:59:46,160
waste management, public health,

6313
04:59:46,160 --> 04:59:48,558
policing, etc. And because these systems

6314
04:59:48,558 --> 04:59:49,840
are designed to serve the broader

6315
04:59:49,840 --> 04:59:52,000
community, not just individual municipal

6316
04:59:52,000 --> 04:59:53,840
boundaries, that's how we are taxed on

6317
04:59:53,840 --> 04:59:56,718
them. Um, I'm going to skip a bunch of

6318
04:59:56,718 --> 04:59:58,160
stuff. I just want to say our focus

6319
04:59:58,160 --> 05:00:00,000
should really be on advocating

6320
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:02,400
constructively for timely delivery,

6321
05:00:02,400 --> 05:00:04,080
fiscal responsibility, and fair service

6322
05:00:04,080 --> 05:00:06,080
for our residents, not on trying to

6323
05:00:06,080 --> 05:00:08,160
unwind a regional funding model that all

6324
05:00:08,160 --> 05:00:09,760
lower tier municipalities operate

6325
05:00:09,760 --> 05:00:11,520
within. And I agree with Councelor

6326
05:00:11,520 --> 05:00:12,798
Hamilton that I don't even think that

6327
05:00:12,798 --> 05:00:14,480
this is a realistic ask. And I think

6328
05:00:14,480 --> 05:00:16,160
that it's misleading to our residents.

6329
05:00:16,160 --> 05:00:18,320
Thank you.

6330
05:00:18,320 --> 05:00:21,430
>> Okay. First off, it is legal.

6331
05:00:21,430 --> 05:00:21,440
» Okay. First off, it is legal.

6332
05:00:21,440 --> 05:00:23,600
Definitely legal.

6333
05:00:23,600 --> 05:00:25,120
And I don't think we should be saying

6334
05:00:25,120 --> 05:00:27,040
something's illegal when it's we

6335
05:00:27,040 --> 05:00:28,240
wouldn't be putting it through as a

6336
05:00:28,240 --> 05:00:32,000
motion if it was illegal. Um I'm going

6337
05:00:32,000 --> 05:00:33,920
to support the motion. I think it tells

6338
05:00:33,920 --> 05:00:37,360
the public that they have been paying

6339
05:00:37,360 --> 05:00:39,200
for a number of years for something they

6340
05:00:39,200 --> 05:00:41,760
we have not been getting. And by the

6341
05:00:41,760 --> 05:00:43,760
time that next phase of the LRT comes

6342
05:00:43,760 --> 05:00:46,080
in, we will have been paying still for

6343
05:00:46,080 --> 05:00:49,440
another 10 15 years for something we are

6344
05:00:49,440 --> 05:00:52,160
not getting. So, with that, I'm going to

6345
05:00:52,160 --> 05:00:54,480
call for the vote.

6346
05:00:54,480 --> 05:00:56,958
Oh.

6347
05:00:56,958 --> 05:00:59,360
Oh my god.

6348
05:00:59,360 --> 05:01:01,670
>> I don't have time. I don't have time.

6349
05:01:01,670 --> 05:01:01,680
» I don't have time. I don't have time.

6350
05:01:01,680 --> 05:01:03,120
We've got to get We've got to get the

6351
05:01:03,120 --> 05:01:04,958
confirmatory battle and stuff done by

6352
05:01:04,958 --> 05:01:10,788
midnight.

6353
05:01:10,798 --> 05:01:12,400
» I'm not going to let you because we need

6354
05:01:12,400 --> 05:01:17,510
to get this done. We You're

6355
05:01:17,520 --> 05:01:19,120
» Can you be quick, please?

6356
05:01:19,120 --> 05:01:21,350
>> Sure. First of all, it was not

6357
05:01:21,350 --> 05:01:21,360
» Sure. First of all, it was not

6358
05:01:21,360 --> 05:01:23,760
democratic because the basis of us

6359
05:01:23,760 --> 05:01:27,120
paying um Kitchener Waterlue the promise

6360
05:01:27,120 --> 05:01:28,798
was they would pay ours and they're not

6361
05:01:28,798 --> 05:01:31,360
paying ours. So that's not democratic

6362
05:01:31,360 --> 05:01:33,840
and that's I'm not undoing a decision

6363
05:01:33,840 --> 05:01:35,680
because that decision they've undone

6364
05:01:35,680 --> 05:01:37,760
themselves and this motion is not about

6365
05:01:37,760 --> 05:01:40,240
anti-transit. It asks just a basic

6366
05:01:40,240 --> 05:01:42,558
question. Cambridge residents have paid

6367
05:01:42,558 --> 05:01:44,558
and continue to pay for transit system

6368
05:01:44,558 --> 05:01:46,798
that does not serve Cambridge. Townships

6369
05:01:46,798 --> 05:01:49,680
have not. Have we been treated fairly in

6370
05:01:49,680 --> 05:01:51,920
the allocation and the benefit of major

6371
05:01:51,920 --> 05:01:54,320
regional transit investments relative to

6372
05:01:54,320 --> 05:01:56,400
its fin our financial contribute

6373
05:01:56,400 --> 05:01:58,400
contributions? Did we get out what we

6374
05:01:58,400 --> 05:02:01,840
put in? No. Cambridge contributions to

6375
05:02:01,840 --> 05:02:04,000
Einstage One came from regional funding

6376
05:02:04,000 --> 05:02:06,638
model not from planning choices.

6377
05:02:06,638 --> 05:02:08,240
Kitchener Waterl received direct

6378
05:02:08,240 --> 05:02:11,040
benefits. Cambridge did not. With the

6379
05:02:11,040 --> 05:02:12,878
provincial funding, with the province

6380
05:02:12,878 --> 05:02:14,798
funding Cambridge ion, it's only

6381
05:02:14,798 --> 05:02:16,798
reasonable to ask for counting and

6382
05:02:16,798 --> 05:02:19,040
refund. Asking for fairness and

6383
05:02:19,040 --> 05:02:21,520
transparency strengthens Cambridge's

6384
05:02:21,520 --> 05:02:23,760
credibility. Continuing to pay for

6385
05:02:23,760 --> 05:02:26,480
something we do not use does not. This

6386
05:02:26,480 --> 05:02:29,040
is what my motion is about and why I'm

6387
05:02:29,040 --> 05:02:31,920
asking um you my fellow counselors for

6388
05:02:31,920 --> 05:02:33,680
this support. Thank you.

6389
05:02:33,680 --> 05:02:36,470
>> Okay. Call the question.

6390
05:02:36,470 --> 05:02:36,480
» Okay. Call the question.

6391
05:02:36,480 --> 05:02:38,708
>> Opening voting.

6392
05:02:38,708 --> 05:02:38,718
» Opening voting.

6393
05:02:38,718 --> 05:02:42,470
Closing

6394
05:02:42,480 --> 05:02:45,590
voting

6395
05:02:45,600 --> 05:02:49,040
that is defeated 5 to four.

6396
05:02:49,040 --> 05:02:53,360
Okay. So the next is the introduction

6397
05:02:53,360 --> 05:02:58,798
consideration of bylaws and councelor

6398
05:02:58,798 --> 05:03:02,080
Sherry you have that motion.

6399
05:03:02,080 --> 05:03:04,558
Oh sorry motion to receive.

6400
05:03:04,558 --> 05:03:14,948
>> Councelor Divine you have that motion.

6401
05:03:14,958 --> 05:03:16,798
microphone on.

6402
05:03:16,798 --> 05:03:19,350
>> Okay. Sorry. Uh where are we? That all

6403
05:03:19,350 --> 05:03:19,360
» Okay. Sorry. Uh where are we? That all

6404
05:03:19,360 --> 05:03:21,600
presentations and correspondence from

6405
05:03:21,600 --> 05:03:24,160
February 3rd, 2026 council meeting be

6406
05:03:24,160 --> 05:03:27,520
received. Seconded by Corey Kimson.

6407
05:03:27,520 --> 05:03:30,470
>> Okay, we'll call for that vote.

6408
05:03:30,470 --> 05:03:30,480
» Okay, we'll call for that vote.

6409
05:03:30,480 --> 05:03:35,670
>> Opening voting.

6410
05:03:35,680 --> 05:03:38,718
» Closing voting.

6411
05:03:38,718 --> 05:03:41,120
carries unanimously.

6412
05:03:41,120 --> 05:03:43,910
>> Consideration of bylaws. Councelor Sher,

6413
05:03:43,910 --> 05:03:43,920
» Consideration of bylaws. Councelor Sher,

6414
05:03:43,920 --> 05:03:48,868
you have that motion.

6415
05:03:48,878 --> 05:03:51,040
» Thank you. Move. Uh, mayor u moved by

6416
05:03:51,040 --> 05:03:53,120
myself, seconded by councelor Roberts

6417
05:03:53,120 --> 05:03:55,600
that the following by law listed under

6418
05:03:55,600 --> 05:03:57,440
the heading of introduction and

6419
05:03:57,440 --> 05:03:59,840
consideration of bylaws be enacted and

6420
05:03:59,840 --> 05:04:02,958
passed. 26-002

6421
05:04:02,958 --> 05:04:06,480
being a bylaw to adopt amendment 98 of

6422
05:04:06,480 --> 05:04:09,520
the city of Cambridge official plan tw

6423
05:04:09,520 --> 05:04:14,878
2012 re 165 Cherry Blossom Road 26-003

6424
05:04:14,878 --> 05:04:18,080
being a bylaw to amend zoning bylaw

6425
05:04:18,080 --> 05:04:20,000
150-85

6426
05:04:20,000 --> 05:04:22,160
as amended with respect to Len

6427
05:04:22,160 --> 05:04:25,520
municipality known as 165 Cherry Blossom

6428
05:04:25,520 --> 05:04:28,400
Road 26-004

6429
05:04:28,400 --> 05:04:31,680
being a bylaw to amend zoning ing bylaw

6430
05:04:31,680 --> 05:04:33,200
150-85

6431
05:04:33,200 --> 05:04:35,360
as amended with respect to land

6432
05:04:35,360 --> 05:04:37,600
municipality

6433
05:04:37,600 --> 05:04:41,200
land municipally known as 55 care street

6434
05:04:41,200 --> 05:04:43,920
being a bylaw to adopt amendment number

6435
05:04:43,920 --> 05:04:46,320
91 of the city of Cambridge official

6436
05:04:46,320 --> 05:04:50,320
plan 20 2012

6437
05:04:50,320 --> 05:04:52,558
being a bylaw to repeal the residential

6438
05:04:52,558 --> 05:04:55,440
zone and regulation zoning bylaw as

6439
05:04:55,440 --> 05:04:57,840
amended and replace them with new

6440
05:04:57,840 --> 05:05:00,480
residential zones and regulation except

6441
05:05:00,480 --> 05:05:04,320
for certain lands subject to transition

6442
05:05:04,320 --> 05:05:08,240
transition regulations and deferral.

6443
05:05:08,240 --> 05:05:10,240
Okay, we'll call that question.

6444
05:05:10,240 --> 05:05:13,910
>> Just a quick note on bylaw 267.

6445
05:05:13,910 --> 05:05:13,920
» Just a quick note on bylaw 267.

6446
05:05:13,920 --> 05:05:16,240
The N should also say as amended because

6447
05:05:16,240 --> 05:05:18,000
there were multiple amendments made

6448
05:05:18,000 --> 05:05:18,718
tonight.

6449
05:05:18,718 --> 05:05:26,070
>> Okay, opening voting.

6450
05:05:26,080 --> 05:05:30,548
as amended.

6451
05:05:30,558 --> 05:05:33,040
» As amended,

6452
05:05:33,040 --> 05:05:34,708
>> are you talking to me?

6453
05:05:34,708 --> 05:05:34,718
» are you talking to me?

6454
05:05:34,718 --> 05:05:39,190
>> We're voting right now.

6455
05:05:39,200 --> 05:05:42,080
» What?

6456
05:05:42,080 --> 05:05:45,270
>> And closing voting

6457
05:05:45,270 --> 05:05:45,280
» And closing voting

6458
05:05:45,280 --> 05:05:48,400
carries 8 to one.

6459
05:05:48,400 --> 05:05:50,798
Okay. Next is confirmatory bylaw.

6460
05:05:50,798 --> 05:05:54,718
Councelor Med, you have that

6461
05:05:54,718 --> 05:05:58,878
Jesus getting

6462
05:05:58,878 --> 05:06:02,788
>> hurry up.

6463
05:06:02,798 --> 05:06:04,878
» Okay. So, moved by myself, seconded by

6464
05:06:04,878 --> 05:06:08,798
councelor Roberts that bylaw 26-008

6465
05:06:08,798 --> 05:06:11,120
being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings

6466
05:06:11,120 --> 05:06:12,798
of the council of the corporation of the

6467
05:06:12,798 --> 05:06:15,200
city of Cambridge be passed.

6468
05:06:15,200 --> 05:06:16,150
>> All in favor?

6469
05:06:16,150 --> 05:06:16,160
» All in favor?

6470
05:06:16,160 --> 05:06:18,470
>> Opening voting.

6471
05:06:18,470 --> 05:06:18,480
» Opening voting.

6472
05:06:18,480 --> 05:06:23,190
Closing

6473
05:06:23,200 --> 05:06:26,320
voting that carries nine and

6474
05:06:26,320 --> 05:06:27,920
unanimously.

6475
05:06:27,920 --> 05:06:30,150
>> Okay, we reached the end of our agenda.

6476
05:06:30,150 --> 05:06:30,160
» Okay, we reached the end of our agenda.

6477
05:06:30,160 --> 05:06:31,520
Councelor Devine, you have the close of

6478
05:06:31,520 --> 05:06:35,350
the meeting.

6479
05:06:35,360 --> 05:06:39,280
» Yes. Um, the council meeting does now

6480
05:06:39,280 --> 05:06:42,878
adjourn at 11:59

6481
05:06:42,878 --> 05:06:44,480
p.m.

6482
05:06:44,480 --> 05:06:46,708
>> No, it's it's 12 midnight on our

6483
05:06:46,708 --> 05:06:46,718
» No, it's it's 12 midnight on our

6484
05:06:46,718 --> 05:06:49,190
>> Well, that's that's a clock up there.

6485
05:06:49,190 --> 05:06:49,200
» Well, that's that's a clock up there.

6486
05:06:49,200 --> 05:06:51,200
But we have 12 midnight.

6487
05:06:51,200 --> 05:06:52,868
>> Okay. 12:00 a.m. Then if you want 12

6488
05:06:52,868 --> 05:06:52,878
» Okay. 12:00 a.m. Then if you want 12

6489
05:06:52,878 --> 05:06:54,320
a.m., have it at 12:00 a.m.

6490
05:06:54,320 --> 05:06:56,868
>> Whatever you want. Don't matter me

6491
05:06:56,868 --> 05:06:56,878
» Whatever you want. Don't matter me

6492
05:06:56,878 --> 05:07:00,558
12:01. That's fine. You want to do that?

6493
05:07:00,558 --> 05:07:03,990
>> Opening voting.

6494
05:07:04,000 --> 05:07:06,798
opposing

6495
05:07:06,798 --> 05:07:08,160
voting to me. It

6496
05:07:08,160 --> 05:07:12,708
>> carries unanimously. Give me a number.

6497
05:07:12,718 --> 05:07:15,280
» I should have left it. It'll be 11:59.

6498
05:07:15,280 --> 05:07:16,470
>> Yeah.

6499
05:07:16,470 --> 05:07:16,480
» Yeah.

6500
05:07:16,480 --> 05:07:21,240
>> Now tomorrow at 12 a.m., right?