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[24:15] » Thank you everybody for being here. This
[24:17] is the Tuesday, September 1st, 2020,
[24:20] 2026
[24:22] uh meeting of the Cammy County Board of
[24:24] Commissioners. We're going to begin
[24:26] opening ceremonies with a invocation by
[24:28] Commissioner Goodman, followed by the
[24:29] pledge of allegiance.
[24:31] Gentlemen, remove your covers, please.
[24:33] Let us stand as you're able.
[24:37] Let us pray.
[24:39] Our Father and our God in heaven, we
[24:41] come to thee humbling ourselves in
[24:44] prayer, asking for your guidance
[24:47] tonight. Father, there's sickness in
[24:50] this community and we want to hold up
[24:53] one of your servants,
[24:55] Sydney, who is in Jacksonville, Sydney
[24:59] Howell
[25:00] and his family. We don't question your
[25:04] will. We ask that you comfort them, be
[25:06] with them. We ask also that you be with
[25:09] your servant, our fellow commissioner
[25:12] Martin Turner, as he performs
[25:15] ministerial dut duties.
[25:18] We ask for things to be done according
[25:21] to your will. Father, we ask always for
[25:24] your protection for those who serve us
[25:27] in uniform both here and abroad. pray.
[25:30] We pray for their safety that they will
[25:33] go home at the end of their shift to
[25:36] their families.
[25:37] All of these things, Father, we ask in
[25:39] thy name. Amen.
[25:43] » Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[25:45] United States of America and to the
[25:48] republic for which it stands, one nation
[25:51] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[25:54] justice for all.
[25:59] Okay, roll call.
[26:02] » Commissioner Turner is absent.
[26:04] » Yeah, Commissioner Turner is not here.
[26:05] He's ministering to the Howell family,
[26:07] so he won't attend tonight. Moving on to
[26:10] the uh
[26:12] amendments to the agenda. I think we
[26:14] have one item to add under executive
[26:17] session to litigation. We have personnel
[26:19] and real estate already listed. We want
[26:22] to add litigation to that. So, um, I'll
[26:27] make a motion we adopt the agenda as
[26:28] amended to add litigation to the
[26:31] executive session.
[26:32] » Um,
[26:34] well, we have a motion. I have one more
[26:36] item I'd like to
[26:37] » I'm sorry.
[26:37] » I have one more amendment I'd like to
[26:39] make, but you have a motion.
[26:40] » I'm sorry.
[26:40] » I have one more amendment I'd like to
[26:42] make, but you have a motion.
[26:43] » You want to amend the motion?
[26:44] » Uh, I want to amend the agenda.
[26:47] » We have a motion on the floor to adopt
[26:50] the agenda as amended.
[26:51] » Correct. There was one more amendment
[26:52] I'd like to make. You were a little
[26:53] quick on the draw. Nobody else could get
[26:55] a word out.
[26:57] » I don't I can't hear you.
[26:59] » I'd like to remove item eight from the
[27:01] agenda. Um Commissioner Commissioner
[27:04] Turner
[27:04] » Um which item
[27:06] » Had some things he wanted to discuss
[27:07] with us and and since he can't be here,
[27:10] » I wanted to to possibly remove that.
[27:12] It's a consideration of bid award for
[27:14] janitorial services.
[27:17] » Okay. So you want to amend the motion to
[27:20] remove
[27:25] » I wanted to move amend the agenda but
[27:26] you made a motion
[27:27] » You want to move the first reading of
[27:28] the parks and wreck from the agenda.
[27:30] » No number eight consideration of bid
[27:33] award for janitorial services contract.
[27:35] » Okay I resend my motion. I'll let you
[27:38] make the motion.
[27:39] » Well I I would just like to add the
[27:40] amendment to remove that off the
[27:42] » Handle in two separate actions.
[27:44] » Yeah.
[27:45] » Right. two separate actions.
[27:48] » So you made a motion to remove correct
[27:50] » The parks.
[27:51] » Yes,
[27:52] » No
[27:54] add.
[27:54] » The motion on the floor add litigation
[27:57] to executive session session. Yes,
[27:59] » That's it.
[28:00] » Second, Mr. Chairman.
[28:04] » It's seconded now. Okay.
[28:06] » We have a motion and a second to add
[28:08] executive session to the litigation to
[28:12] the executive session.
[28:13] » That is the motion. Right. We have a
[28:14] motion and a second. All in favor?
[28:17] Finally got that one. Now, let's move on
[28:19] to the next one.
[28:20] » Yes. Uh I I would like as I would like I
[28:23] would move to amend the agenda to remove
[28:25] item number eight uh until Commissioner
[28:27] Turner could be with us to discuss that.
[28:29] He had some things he wanted to
[28:30] » Okay.
[28:31] » To address.
[28:32] » Okay. So, we have a motion to uh remove
[28:36] item number eight from the agenda.
[28:38] » Second.
[28:39] » We have a motion and a second. All in
[28:41] favor?
[28:43] Anybody opposed?
[28:49] Okay, now we've got that straight. Let's
[28:51] move on.
[28:53] Uh move on to the approval of the
[28:54] minutes for the August 18th, 2026
[28:57] regular meeting in executive session.
[29:00] Entertain a motion to approve.
[29:02] » Make a motion to approve the agenda
[29:04] items uh the minute items as specified.
[29:08] » Uh second.
[29:10] » We have a motion and a second. All in
[29:12] favor?
[29:14] Motion carries.
[29:16] Okay, we have a couple of presentations
[29:18] before us tonight. Uh first one is
[29:23] uh recognition of the month of September
[29:25] as suicide prevention month.
[29:27] » Good evening, gentlemen. Uh tonight
[29:30] we're going to present a proclamation
[29:32] for the Camd County Board of
[29:33] Commissioners to recognize the month of
[29:35] September 2026 as suicide prevention
[29:38] awareness month. And this is just an
[29:40] excerpt from the proclamation. Uh
[29:43] whereas September is recognized across
[29:45] the United States as National Suicide
[29:47] Prevention Awareness Month, a time
[29:49] dedicated to increasing awareness of the
[29:52] resources and support available to
[29:54] individuals in crisis and to
[29:56] highlighting the importance of mental
[29:58] health and emotional well-being. And
[30:01] whereas September 10th is nationally and
[30:03] internationally recognized as World
[30:05] Suicide Prevention Day, providing an
[30:08] important opportunity to educate our
[30:10] community about the warning signs of
[30:12] emotional distress and actions we can
[30:14] take to support those most at risk. And
[30:17] whereas the Camden Suicide Prevention
[30:19] Coalition serves as a leader in local
[30:22] efforts to promote awareness and
[30:24] prevention practices representing a
[30:26] collaborative partnership of
[30:28] organizations, agencies, businesses, and
[30:31] residents united in a shared mission to
[30:33] foster hope, promote safety, and
[30:36] strengthen our community's ability to
[30:37] recognize and respond to signs of
[30:40] depression and suicide risk.
[30:43] And whereas hope, help, and healing are
[30:46] possible and crisis intervention
[30:48] resources are available in Camden
[30:50] County, including the suicide and crisis
[30:52] lifeline at 988,
[30:55] offering free and confidential support
[30:58] 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And now
[31:01] therefore, it be it proclaimed that the
[31:03] Camden County Board of Commissioners
[31:05] hereby declares the month of September
[31:07] 2026 as Suicide Prevention Awareness
[31:10] Month and Thursday, September 10, 2026
[31:13] as Suicide Prevention Day throughout
[31:15] Camden County. And this is proclaimed
[31:17] the first day of September 2026. And we
[31:20] do have a couple of representatives from
[31:22] the Camden Suicide Prevention Coalition
[31:24] to receive the proclamation and to
[31:26] excuse me, join you for a picture.
[31:56] The front row stays exactly where they
[31:58] are and the back row takes one step this
[31:59] way.
[32:18] And just as a special reminder with
[32:20] that, um the Camden Suicide Prevention
[32:22] Coalition has been very active lately.
[32:25] Um later this month on the 17th, there's
[32:27] going to be Voices of Hope. It's a forum
[32:29] on mental health and wellness. Uh it's
[32:32] going to be at 6 PM at the Camdi County
[32:34] High School Lecture Hall and we're going
[32:36] to have panelists including our own
[32:38] commissioners Turner and Smith. They're
[32:39] going to speak to participants and we're
[32:41] also going to have representatives from
[32:42] local government, education,
[32:44] faith-based, military and veterans, and
[32:46] our mental health practitioners
[32:48] represented for that forum on the 17th.
[32:50] The coalition's also uh participating in
[32:52] more events in September. They're going
[32:54] to be at the Blues and Barbecue Festival
[32:56] and also the hospital's health fair. um
[32:59] recent events. They just recently had a
[33:01] screening uh mental health screening at
[33:03] the College of Coastal Georgia Camden
[33:05] Center. And in November, we're going to
[33:07] have the Walt to Remember. It's for
[33:09] International Survivors of Suicide Loss
[33:11] Day. So, the co um coalition is very
[33:14] active with those items on your behalf.
[33:17] Well, in addition to the work we do, our
[33:20] second proclamation tonight is going to
[33:22] be uh recognizing the month of September
[33:24] 2026 as library card signup month. And
[33:28] this is another excerpt from the
[33:30] proclamation. Uh whereas libraries
[33:32] inspire creativity, fuel imagination,
[33:34] and support lifelong learning for all
[33:36] Georgians, offering a space where
[33:38] individuals of all ages can explore new
[33:41] ideas and be drawn to new possibilities.
[33:45] And whereas libraries serve as vibrant
[33:48] community hubs connecting people with
[33:50] knowledge, technology, and resources
[33:52] while fostering civic engagement,
[33:54] critical thinking, and lifelong
[33:56] learning. And whereas libraries provide
[33:59] free book access, excuse me, free access
[34:02] to books, digital tools, and innovative
[34:05] programming, ensuring that all
[34:06] individuals have the support they need
[34:08] to learn, connect, and thrive. And
[34:11] whereas dedicated librarians and library
[34:14] workers foster welcoming spaces that
[34:16] encourage discovery, collaboration, and
[34:19] creativity for all.
[34:22] And now, therefore, be it proclaimed
[34:23] that the Camden County Board of
[34:25] Commissioners declare September 2026 as
[34:28] library card signup month. During this
[34:30] month, all residents are encouraged to
[34:32] visit their library, sign up or renew
[34:34] their card, explore its resources, and
[34:36] celebrate all the ways that the library
[34:38] brings us together as a community.
[34:40] Proclaim this first day of September,
[34:42] 2026. And we have some representatives
[34:44] from the library here, too.
[35:16] And as a reminder, we do have three
[35:18] libraries in Camden County. One in St.
[35:20] Mary's, one in Kingsland, the Camden
[35:22] County Library, and the one in Woodbine,
[35:24] who recently was very gracious to host
[35:26] one of our summer town hall meetings.
[35:28] So, thank you.
[35:31] » Thanks, Claire.
[35:34] Mr. Coughlin.
[35:49] You hear me? Okay now. Okay. Sorry about
[35:51] that. Do I need the clicker or do I just
[35:53] need to ask you all to click?
[36:14] » All right. Can y'all hear me now?
[36:16] » Yes.
[36:17] » Okay. Great. Thanks for having me. I'm
[36:19] James Coughlin with the Camden County
[36:20] Joint Development Authority and I'm here
[36:23] u as I do every quarter for our
[36:25] quarterly update just uh to let you know
[36:27] what the JDA has going on, give you the
[36:29] opportunity to ask questions.
[36:34] All right. So, as a reminder, um our our
[36:37] purpose, our mission statement is to
[36:39] promote and stimulate economic
[36:40] development throughout Camden County. Uh
[36:43] the JDA operates under the Georgia
[36:45] Development Authorities Law that governs
[36:47] everything we can be involved with um
[36:50] for industrial and economic development
[36:52] authorities around the country, excuse
[36:53] me, around the state. So um you know,
[36:55] obviously uh we we adhere to that pretty
[36:58] strictly. Um these are our FY27
[37:02] strategic priorities. We follow the same
[37:04] fiscal year that the county does, uh
[37:05] started in July. Uh the first priority
[37:08] is to redevelop the former Gilman
[37:10] property that we refer to as the North
[37:11] River property. Uh to deliver the first
[37:15] phase of the Coastal Georgia Commerce
[37:17] Park.
[37:18] » Just move the mic closer to your mouth.
[37:20] » Move Move the mic closer. Got it. Thank
[37:23] you, Shannon.
[37:24] uh to deliver the first phase of the
[37:26] coastal Georgia Commerce Park to advance
[37:28] the Georgia Florida sports park project
[37:31] and to continue with countywide support
[37:33] and collaboration.
[37:36] This is that uh those same priorities
[37:39] that are shown in a different way. This
[37:40] is our strategic roadmap for the year.
[37:43] So again, the North River project, uh,
[37:45] the redevelopment strategy there
[37:46] involves, um, a broker-led process. Um,
[37:49] I'll go into that in more detail in just
[37:51] a minute. Um, and then selecting a
[37:53] master developer with the Coastal
[37:55] Georgia Commerce Park, completing the,
[37:57] uh, Georgia DOT permits, going out to
[37:59] bid for the infrastructure, and and
[38:01] hopefully moving toward a January
[38:03] groundbreaking.
[38:04] um the Georgia Florida Sports Park.
[38:06] We're finalizing that agreement and
[38:08] we'll move to the approval phase uh soon
[38:11] and then continuing the uh the
[38:13] countywide collaborative uh support that
[38:15] we have uh with the cities and the
[38:17] county.
[38:20] All right, looking specifically at the
[38:22] former Gilman property, the North River
[38:24] property. Just as a reminder, in January
[38:27] uh January 13th of this year, we took
[38:29] possession of the property after
[38:31] foreclosing on the uh the former
[38:33] developer that was involved. Uh just
[38:35] last month, after a very lengthy RFP
[38:38] process, very thorough RFP process, we
[38:41] engage CBRE to be our global developer.
[38:44] Um in late September or early October
[38:47] this year, they will release an RFP on
[38:49] of their own to the global market. That
[38:51] draft is already underway. We've seen a
[38:53] couple uh renditions of what that that
[38:56] document will look like and the target
[38:58] is in December to bring in uh master
[39:01] developer candidates and and hopefully
[39:03] begin that that selection process. Um
[39:06] lower down on that slide uh the numbered
[39:09] uh sections there. Just want to make
[39:11] sure everybody is okay or or understands
[39:14] that uh we're putting a portion of this
[39:16] property into a conservation easement.
[39:18] We've had a lot of concerned citizens
[39:20] reach out to us and reach out to the
[39:21] city of St. Mary's wanting to make sure
[39:24] that that Woodstok rrookery and and the
[39:26] rrookery that protects the Rosett spoon
[39:28] bills um is protected. Just as a an
[39:31] aside there, for years we've referred to
[39:33] it as the Woodsto Rookery. It's actually
[39:36] the largest uh rrookery or nesting area
[39:38] for Rosia spoon bills in the state of
[39:40] Georgia. Uh so I'm not sure why we all
[39:42] call it the Woodsto Rookery, but anyway,
[39:45] um that will continue to be protected.
[39:47] Uh we're we're we've had a conservation
[39:49] easement uh drawn up for that. Um and
[39:52] we're partnering with with the Navy on
[39:53] that. Um as needed, uh if necessary, we
[39:57] will break off some of the parcels on
[39:59] the periphery of the property. We've had
[40:00] developers express interest in that. Our
[40:03] intent is to go to market with this as
[40:05] one contiguous uh parcel, but if
[40:07] necessary, we we will sell off uh some
[40:10] of the periphery of the property. Um and
[40:13] then CBRE, of course, is going to market
[40:15] with that RFP, mainly focusing on the
[40:17] waterfront opportunity. Um, and they're
[40:20] going to the global market on that.
[40:22] Notes down there at the bottom. I want
[40:24] to make sure everybody remembers the
[40:25] landfills that are associated with that
[40:27] former mill site remain the property of
[40:29] Jacobe Development. Those are not the
[40:30] property nor the responsibility of the
[40:33] JDA, the city of St. Mary's or Camden
[40:35] County. Uh, CBRE uh, their success fee,
[40:39] which you know, I think most of us would
[40:40] would think of as a commission involved
[40:42] with this, is based on the value of the
[40:45] proposed development, and that is to be
[40:46] paid by the master developer. That's
[40:49] pretty standard with large developments
[40:51] like this and that development community
[40:53] is is accustomed to that model.
[40:57] The Coastal Georgia Commerce Park. Um
[40:59] this is in in my mind the biggest and
[41:02] and probably most important thing that
[41:04] the JDA has done in my time here. Um the
[41:08] day I loaded up my truck to move down
[41:10] from northwest Georgia down to Camden
[41:12] County and stopped in Atlanta to meet
[41:14] with the Department of Community Affairs
[41:15] and the Department of Economic
[41:16] Development. Uh the first thing they
[41:18] told me is Camden doesn't have product.
[41:22] Camden doesn't have product. Meaning
[41:24] that for large projects who are looking
[41:27] around the state of Georgia, Camden
[41:29] wasn't even on their radar. They we just
[41:31] never had the product uh that was needed
[41:34] to to qualify for some of those
[41:35] projects. That has continued to be the
[41:37] case. Um and we this will be the finally
[41:40] our opportunity to change that. Um, so
[41:42] the path to groundbreaking on this, uh,
[41:45] this month and next, we're finalizing
[41:47] the the DOT approvals. This is for the
[41:50] improvements to be made on Highway 17
[41:52] there at the intersection with Harriet
[41:53] Bluff Road. Uh, there'll be deceler
[41:56] deceleration lanes added, turn lanes
[41:58] added, an intersection added, um, rail
[42:01] crossing for the for the rail line that
[42:04] runs just west of there. Um, and once
[42:07] those permits are completed, we'll go
[42:08] out to bid hopefully in in mid to late
[42:11] October. uh for the infrastructure uh
[42:13] construction for the road, the water and
[42:15] the sewer package. Um the target would
[42:18] be to um actually select a general
[42:21] contractor by uh December and then to
[42:24] actually have a groundbreaking uh in
[42:26] January of 2027.
[42:28] Um this property has been and is now
[42:31] what's called grad certified or Georgia
[42:34] ready for accelerated development. Um,
[42:37] and right now we're in the process of
[42:39] moving toward to the highest level of
[42:41] readiness designation by the state,
[42:43] which is grad select. That process is
[42:45] almost complete. And I want to thank
[42:47] some of the people in this room, Chief
[42:48] Smith, Sheriff Cheney, um, and and
[42:51] others who have been a part of that
[42:52] process. They've all had to go on the
[42:54] record on their letterhead and sign and
[42:57] provide documents to the state
[42:58] indicating that they are the covering
[43:00] agency for this property. So there's no
[43:02] question later when a big project wants
[43:04] to come, they don't have to ask, hey, do
[43:06] we have this? Do we have that? These
[43:08] have all been worked out. And that also
[43:09] includes local utilities, um, city of
[43:12] Kingsland, things like that. So all
[43:14] that's been documented ahead of time. So
[43:15] thank you for your help with that.
[43:20] All right, looking at the Georgia Sports
[43:21] Park, moving this from agreement to
[43:24] execution.
[43:26] Um the development agreement has gone
[43:28] back and forth now between the the
[43:30] developer, their attorney, the staff
[43:32] level, the city of Kingsland and the JDA
[43:35] now for about a year. Actually, it was a
[43:37] little about 11 months now. Um that is
[43:40] now finally in what what we consider to
[43:43] be I'm using air quotes final draft
[43:45] because we all know the attorneys are
[43:46] going to u make some suggestions and
[43:49] some comments back and forth. Um, the
[43:51] next step would be for us to get those
[43:53] to the city attorney, JDA attorney, and
[43:55] the county attorney for consideration,
[43:57] and then hopefully bring those to city
[43:59] council, JDA board, and and the county.
[44:02] Um, phase one of that, the private
[44:06] investment is the first hotel, the
[44:08] accompanying restaurant, uh, the RV park
[44:11] associated with that, and down in the
[44:13] southwest corner of the development, uh,
[44:15] there's a single family residential
[44:17] development. You might say, why what
[44:19] does a single family residential
[44:20] development have to do with a sports
[44:21] park? Um, truth is, it's just a a
[44:24] convenient place for a for a single
[44:26] family residential community, and it's
[44:28] in the TAD. It's in the tax allocation
[44:30] district that helps to to fund this for
[44:33] the city of Kingsland. So, uh, we
[44:35] consider it part of of the overall
[44:37] development. On the public side, the
[44:40] water, sewer, and road improvements
[44:42] along May Creek Road. So just for
[44:44] everybody's reference, that's the road
[44:45] that runs beside Cracker Barrel and and
[44:48] back there to where the technical
[44:49] college is. So those water sewer road
[44:52] improvements, the first cluster of
[44:54] fields uh that are right there up
[44:56] against May Creek Road, and then the
[44:57] supporting infrastructure, the
[44:59] sidewalks, the lighting, the fencing,
[45:01] all of that. Um so that first phase of
[45:03] public investment will be splass 9. um 3
[45:07] million of that will be associated with
[45:09] the infrastructure and 7 million of that
[45:11] will be associated with the uh actual
[45:13] construction of the sports fields
[45:14] themselves. It'll be very important that
[45:16] this is a this is a coordinated public
[45:19] private launch that these um are ready
[45:21] to come out of the ground at the same
[45:22] time so neither party gets gets ahead of
[45:25] the other.
[45:28] » You said 3 million was infrastructure
[45:30] for water and 7 million was for the
[45:33] fields
[45:33] » Road water and and sewer improvements
[45:35] along May Creek Road. Yes, sir.
[45:40] All right. Our next uh strategic
[45:42] initiative and and this remains the same
[45:44] as last year and probably will remain
[45:46] the same next year is supporting our
[45:48] local collaboration. Uh we love uh what
[45:51] we've been doing with the quarterly
[45:53] collaborative meetings with
[45:54] representatives from all three cities,
[45:56] uh the county staff, the school system,
[45:58] Kings Bay Naval Base, and of course our
[46:00] staff uh to get together on a quarterly
[46:02] basis, review projects, review where
[46:05] infrastructure um projects are are close
[46:08] to each other, where we need to be aware
[46:09] of of traffic concerns that might be
[46:12] caused by one project in in St. Mary's
[46:14] or Kingsland or or in the county.
[46:17] um make sure that everybody's working
[46:18] together and on the same page to have
[46:20] the base co there uh to have the school
[46:23] uh represented to make sure that that
[46:25] they understand what we're doing we
[46:27] understand what what they're doing uh so
[46:29] we'll continue to do that uh working
[46:31] with uh the county St. areas in
[46:33] Kingsland on several infrastructure
[46:35] projects uh several priv private
[46:37] projects. We'll continue to uh to do
[46:39] that as well.
[46:43] [sighs and gasps] All right. One of the
[46:44] thing things I was asked to do is uh
[46:46] look back on the JDA and and demonstrate
[46:49] or or at least uh share a little bit
[46:51] about the return on investment in the
[46:53] time that I've been here. Um, so I
[46:56] arrived in FY uh 15 and the funding
[46:58] since then has totaled 9 about $9.5
[47:02] million, $9.47 million in that amount of
[47:05] time. Just looking back over the last 5
[47:08] years, uh the the increase in fair
[47:11] market value for the real property for
[47:14] projects we've been involved with has
[47:16] increased from 6.3 million to over $34
[47:19] million in that 5year period.
[47:22] um the assessed growth, so the actual
[47:24] tax value growth of that same real
[47:27] property that we've been involved with
[47:29] uh during that time has increased from
[47:30] $2.5 million to $14 million or 13.9 to
[47:34] be exact. Um and then if you include the
[47:38] machinery and equipment, which is the
[47:40] real and personal assessed growth in
[47:42] that same time period, the value of that
[47:44] property has increased from $8 million
[47:46] to $145 million. So, uh, significant
[47:50] growth. Um, the the bar graphs there
[47:53] demonstrate that as well. Same
[47:55] calculations. I'll point out the two
[47:57] notes on the bottom. Um, that total
[47:59] funding calculation there at the top
[48:01] where it says 9.47 million, that
[48:03] includes a deduction of 750 million.
[48:06] None of the current commissioners were
[48:08] were on commission at that time, but the
[48:10] JD JDA was asked in FY15 to uh give back
[48:15] $750,000 of funding to help pay for the
[48:19] um spaceport um environmental assessment
[48:22] that was done at that time and and we
[48:24] did that. So that that includes uh
[48:26] deducting that uh from back in FY15.
[48:29] Also, that return on investment does not
[48:32] include the secondary impact of
[48:34] companies and workers spending their
[48:35] dollars here in Camden County. So,
[48:37] that's, you know, companies who hire
[48:39] local contract contractors to work on on
[48:41] their site. Uh workers who spend their
[48:44] money in local shops and restaurants,
[48:46] stay in our hotels, um rent apartments,
[48:49] buy property, etc. So, it doesn't
[48:51] include any of that. This is strictly
[48:52] the the real estate uh impact.
[48:58] Also, I want to take just a minute
[48:59] because I I think sometimes I I sound uh
[49:02] maybe not as as appreciative as I should
[49:05] be about the Camden County Industrial
[49:07] Park. 30 years ago, uh the JDA uh took a
[49:11] bold step uh to create the Camden County
[49:14] Industrial Park. So, in 1996, they did
[49:17] that. They purchased 164 acres for
[49:20] $625,000
[49:22] or an average of $3,800
[49:24] an acre. Um, now that did include some
[49:27] wetlands and and things like that. Um,
[49:30] but that that was the value of it back
[49:32] in in 1996. They divided that up into a
[49:36] lot of little pieces and and marketed
[49:38] that. We've had um a lot of success in
[49:41] just the last you five or six years in
[49:44] selling uh that property to several
[49:47] different companies. Uh currently the
[49:50] real property value just in that
[49:52] industrial park of the land and
[49:54] buildings alone is uh almost $7.5
[49:56] million and the total tax value
[49:59] including the machinery and equipment is
[50:02] over $107 million. A large part of that
[50:05] is plug power. Um of course they came to
[50:07] town on a tax abatement schedule. That's
[50:09] a normal incentive uh when you're
[50:11] competing with other communities. Uh but
[50:13] this year they'll be paying 60% of their
[50:16] uh the tax assessment that that is due
[50:18] to them which is still u millions of
[50:20] dollars. So anyway, I want to take time
[50:23] to to recognize that because that was a
[50:25] bold move and now we're taking the next
[50:28] step um with the Coastal Georgia
[50:30] Commerce Park. Down there at the bottom,
[50:32] those are the companies that are located
[50:34] uh in the Camden County Industrial Park
[50:36] currently. We've got one more to come
[50:38] that I'm under an NDA with. I can't uh
[50:40] share just yet, but we've got another
[50:42] small company that'll be moving in
[50:44] there. I say small, they've got about 40
[50:46] employees, which is which is great. Um
[50:49] anyway, so um hopefully once that gets
[50:52] done, uh that'll represent the final
[50:54] piece of property in the Camden County
[50:56] Industrial Park.
[51:00] » Did you say Plug pays a million dollars
[51:01] in property tax?
[51:03] Um, so they are they've they're a
[51:06] development worth about $130
[51:09] million total. Um, so 40% of that times
[51:13] our millage rate. Uh, you can do that
[51:15] math. That's that's pretty significant.
[51:23] » Commissioner Smith, I wanted to comment
[51:24] on your uh outfit tonight. I did not
[51:26] coordinate that with you or watch you
[51:28] leave the house. I promise.
[51:29] » Uh, suic [laughter] suicide um
[51:31] prevention awareness. Oh, nice. Okay.
[51:34] » Made you aware.
[51:35] » Any questions on any of that?
[51:38] » I had a couple.
[51:42] » Uh, so the RFP going to market for the
[51:44] North River Gilman property, right?
[51:46] » Was there any kind of criteria? I know
[51:48] sometimes you see when bids go out, we
[51:49] have benchmarks we'd like people to
[51:52] incorporate in their proposals or
[51:55] » Yeah. Um, there was. Um, so our criteria
[51:58] when we're looking for a master
[52:00] developer on that site is to to fit the
[52:02] current zoning model that's that's there
[52:05] work with the city. It's a what we call
[52:07] live, work, play model. It's a mixeduse
[52:10] model. Um, it does allow for light
[52:12] industrial. Uh, so there is some uh
[52:15] place on the property. If you're
[52:16] familiar with the property coming in off
[52:18] the Finley Gate, there's the opportunity
[52:20] to incorporate some light industrial
[52:21] there. Um, but we're asking de
[52:24] developers to submit a proposal for that
[52:26] mixeduse uh type model. We're also
[52:29] asking them to incorporate the marina as
[52:31] currently permitted or to to redesign
[52:34] the marina, which would require a
[52:36] modified permit with DNR. Uh, but if you
[52:39] remember, we we did uh achieve a marina
[52:41] permit there.
[52:42] » But so in a perfect world, we're looking
[52:44] for like a Whole Foods with some
[52:46] condominiums on the top and a parking
[52:48] [laughter] area. Did you say a Whole
[52:50] Foods with with Yeah. Some some retail,
[52:53] some residential um in in the town
[52:56] center area. So the the intersection of
[52:58] meeting and Meeting Street in Osborne
[53:00] there, that's what we refer to as the
[53:01] town center. Um retail, uh residential
[53:04] in that area, hotel,
[53:07] um condos, town homes, that that kind of
[53:10] thing. So that would be on the south end
[53:11] of the property and a little further
[53:12] north is an opportunity for some light
[53:14] industrial
[53:15] » On the does did anybody did anybody else
[53:18] have any other questions before I just
[53:20] keep going on I don't want to be rude on
[53:22] the Georgia Florida sports park for the
[53:24] 3 million versus 7 million 3 million's
[53:25] for utility improvements 7 million's
[53:28] going towards the construction of the
[53:30] fields
[53:30] » Who will ultimately end up owning the
[53:32] fields
[53:33] » Good question so um what's currently
[53:36] contemplated in the agreement I know you
[53:37] haven't seen it yet but is the KDA Uh,
[53:40] so the Kingsland Development Authority
[53:41] would be the owner of the fields. They
[53:43] need to be publicly owned. Um, and
[53:47] rather than having the the the JDA own
[53:49] them and having to constantly coordinate
[53:51] with the city of Kingsland for
[53:53] maintenance, etc., um, they'll be owned
[53:55] by the KDA, but then contracted out for
[53:58] private management. Oh, so so a private
[54:00] group would take care of organizing and
[54:02] scheduling tournaments, staffing,
[54:04] maintenance, insurance, all of that. But
[54:08] the 10 million allocated was a
[54:09] countywide
[54:11] project. Correct.
[54:12] » Right. That is correct.
[54:13] » Not a not a Kingsland project.
[54:15] » Well, I mean it's Yeah, that's right. It
[54:17] the the money will flow through the city
[54:19] of Kingsland.
[54:22] » Okay. Ownership of fields. When is your
[54:24] next collaborative meeting? I know you
[54:25] said you do them quarterly.
[54:26] » We do them quarterly. September 17th, I
[54:30] think. I think. Yeah, 17th. I'm the day
[54:32] after my birthday. Um, and just and I'm
[54:35] just going to throw this out there as a
[54:37] general rule. Um, I don't mean to be
[54:40] rude. We don't invite elected officials.
[54:42] Um, that's how I I'm sorry. Um, yeah.
[54:45] When I when I got the base co, for
[54:46] example, to come or or the the
[54:48] superintendent just to encourage
[54:52] um
[54:54] open dialogue, you know, for us to
[54:56] really, you know, share frustrations and
[54:58] and that kind of thing. We we don't ask
[55:00] invited uh we don't invite elected
[55:02] officials to come. We did have a couple
[55:04] meetings early on where some schoolboard
[55:06] members came and then it it clicked that
[55:08] oh yeah they're elected officials as
[55:09] well. Uh so we had to tell them to to
[55:12] stand down as well.
[55:14] » I'm highly offended.
[55:16] » I I apologize. We'll set up a separate
[55:18] meeting for you.
[55:19] » Oh, thank you very much.
[55:22] » Any other questions?
[55:24] » Uh no. I just want to uh you know
[55:26] applaud the work you're doing as far as
[55:28] turning around the the image of the JDA.
[55:30] Ben, I know since you've become
[55:31] chairman, we've seen some positive
[55:33] things. So, thank you both.
[55:34] » Thank you. I appreciate it.
[55:39] » Thanks, James.
[55:41] Okay, moving forward, we're going to
[55:43] move into the p first public comment
[55:45] section. Uh these this section is for
[55:49] any item on the agenda. Limit your
[55:51] comments to three minutes.
[55:54] Um, state your name.
[55:57] Anybody sign up?
[55:59] » Yes. The first is Mr. Steve Gross.
[56:01] » Mr. Gross.
[56:11] » Good evening everyone. I'm sad that uh
[56:13] Mr. Coughlin has left. I was hoping he
[56:15] would stay for this. I had a meeting
[56:16] with Mr. Coughlin and Mr. Turner and Mr.
[56:19] John Wjic about 3 months ago, two and a
[56:23] half months ago. And that's the purpose
[56:25] of the presentation he gave tonight that
[56:28] was spurred on by that meeting that we
[56:29] had. And I don't know if any of you
[56:31] noticed, but there are some glaring
[56:33] emissions to that uh financial statement
[56:35] that he made. The biggest one is that
[56:37] there's no mention of the financial
[56:38] costs of the Gilman property whatsoever
[56:41] in any of his So that return on
[56:43] investment is just not true. It's not
[56:45] even close.
[56:47] Uh, I think you should question him on
[56:49] that as soon as possible and see where
[56:51] is this coming from because there's
[56:52] that's $10 million or more of taxpayer
[56:55] money. I wanted to ask him tonight um,
[56:58] what is the monthly note for that
[57:02] property. There was also no mention of
[57:05] Spaceport and I can't help but not but
[57:07] notice that JDA always disavows
[57:09] Spaceport, but JDA began Spaceport. JDA
[57:13] got Spaceport rolling and then passed
[57:15] that on to us. and there's a huge tax
[57:17] burden there and I asked him to include
[57:20] that in the costs and of course he did
[57:22] not um plug industries plug power. He
[57:27] spoke highly of them. My understanding
[57:30] is that their grants have run out and
[57:32] they may not be here in another year or
[57:34] so that they are on very shaky ground
[57:36] with the change of administration that
[57:38] we have. So I don't think they're in
[57:40] good shape. I don't think we're going to
[57:41] see the return on our tax
[57:46] [clears throat] break that we gave them.
[57:48] And I think the people of Camden County
[57:50] deserve better than just what they got
[57:53] tonight. I think the people of Cam
[57:55] Camden County deserve a referendum. And
[57:57] I think they deserve a full accounting
[58:01] of what's gone on in the last 15 years
[58:03] with our JDA. And I think if you look at
[58:05] it very carefully, you will find that
[58:09] they are not nearly as prosperous for us
[58:12] or creating the prosperity for us that
[58:15] they are claiming to. Um I think it's
[58:18] time that we have a referendum on the
[58:20] direction that they go. I'm not sure
[58:23] that our county wants a bigger
[58:24] industrial park. I'm pretty sure they
[58:26] don't want the asphalt plant that the
[58:29] JDA is bringing in that's going to bring
[58:32] hundreds and hundreds of trucks to our
[58:34] roads during a I95 construction project
[58:37] over the next few years. Um, I'm not
[58:41] sure that the collaboration between
[58:46] the commissioners and the JDA
[58:49] is what we want to see happening the way
[58:51] it is. Especially when I hear things
[58:52] like, "Well, you're not invited to this
[58:54] meeting." No one is invited to their
[58:56] meetings. In fact, I've gone to several
[58:58] of their meetings, and if I sit there
[59:00] for the 10 minutes at the beginning of
[59:02] the meeting, they have no question
[59:04] answer period, and then they go into
[59:05] executive session. Can't get any
[59:08] information out of them. Um, I've spoken
[59:10] with Mr. Turner at length uh at to find
[59:14] out what is the avenue for
[59:17] eliminating our JDA, which many other
[59:19] counties have done. and he said, 'I have
[59:21] to go through Mr. Sains. I have
[59:23] repeatedly called and texted Mr. Sains.
[59:25] I stopped in his office in St. Mary's
[59:28] and lo and behold, when I stopped in his
[59:30] office in St. Mary's, a Mr. Yadv greets
[59:33] me purporting to represent Mr. Sains.
[59:37] Mr. Yadv is a board member on the JDA
[59:42] and purports in that office to represent
[59:44] Mr. Sains. In fact, he promised me that
[59:46] he would get me a face to face with Mr.
[59:48] Sains. haven't heard back from him. So,
[59:50] I think you have a uh a little thing
[59:53] going on here that needs some serious
[59:55] attention to determine exactly what our
[59:58] JDA is doing for us and whether our
[1:00:01] people, not not our businesses, not the
[1:00:04] businesses in our town, but the
[1:00:06] constituents, everyone in our town is
[1:00:09] looking for a larger industrial park,
[1:00:11] more industry in this town, or do we
[1:00:13] want to pursue a different avenue in
[1:00:16] order to try and maintain our taxes at a
[1:00:18] lower rate? because right now I think
[1:00:21] we're looking at a tax increase that's
[1:00:23] going to hurt everyone substantially.
[1:00:25] Thank you for your time.
[1:00:27] » Thank you.
[1:00:29] » Anybody else?
[1:00:30] » Mr. Steve Winkle.
[1:00:39] » Thank you. Steve Winkle, Harriet Bluff.
[1:00:43] Looking over the agenda tonight, I would
[1:00:45] like to talk about 10 items. I can't get
[1:00:47] it done in the time that y'all are going
[1:00:50] to tolerate me. Uh I'd like to address
[1:00:54] as my highest point items 45 6 7
[1:01:04] 4 5 6 and 7. I ran the numbers
[1:01:08] and I'm just wondering because in
[1:01:12] reading the boilerplate,
[1:01:16] the full package, which is not presented
[1:01:19] to the public, but is available online
[1:01:22] if you look for it.
[1:01:24] And it looks to me like
[1:01:29] the purchase of all that equipment is
[1:01:31] dependent on doing work
[1:01:34] on Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base and
[1:01:37] being paid by the Navy or some party
[1:01:40] which isn't elaborated here for the work
[1:01:43] which is only producing a profit to the
[1:01:46] county of 7.8%.
[1:01:51] And at that basis, the work that's
[1:01:53] outlined in your request tonight only
[1:01:57] requires
[1:01:58] 10 more projects to produce the income
[1:02:02] to provide the money
[1:02:05] that would be needed to buy the
[1:02:07] excavator, which would appears to be the
[1:02:10] deal here is that the profit from each
[1:02:13] of these transactions appears to be used
[1:02:16] to purchase the excavator. It's not
[1:02:18] clear in what's presented to the board
[1:02:20] or to the public. And so I think tonight
[1:02:23] we need to have a very very detailed
[1:02:25] elaboration
[1:02:27] on how the purchase of the excavator and
[1:02:30] commitment to the excavator is going to
[1:02:33] be paid until those future projects come
[1:02:36] from the Navy.
[1:02:38] because the projects have been approved
[1:02:41] would have to total about $200 million
[1:02:47] at the current rate.
[1:02:50] I take that back. I'm sorry, $2 million
[1:02:53] at the current rates that they're
[1:02:55] earning in order to provide enough to
[1:02:58] buy that excavator. And we have never
[1:03:00] heard a public explanation
[1:03:03] of how the excavator was burned up a
[1:03:06] couple of months ago.
[1:03:08] can't seem to get a square answer on
[1:03:10] that.
[1:03:12] We've heard a justification for what
[1:03:15] happened, but we haven't heard how we're
[1:03:18] going to prevent burning up the next
[1:03:20] machine there.
[1:03:22] We haven't heard what happened,
[1:03:25] who was responsible or what was
[1:03:26] responsible.
[1:03:28] If it was a lightning strike, we should
[1:03:32] know that. if it was caused by lack of
[1:03:36] maintenance, we need to know what
[1:03:37] maintenance is being done now to protect
[1:03:40] all of the equipment that the county
[1:03:42] owns. And so, the fact of the matter is
[1:03:45] there's a lot of open questions. JDA's
[1:03:48] got open questions.
[1:03:50] Public works has open questions on
[1:03:52] several different projects. You'll hear
[1:03:54] about more tonight from others. And the
[1:03:57] fact is is that I think that y'all are
[1:04:01] not getting enough information to make
[1:04:03] good decisions anyway. All you're
[1:04:06] getting is biased information
[1:04:09] which furthers
[1:04:12] the direction that the
[1:04:17] departments want to proceed or are
[1:04:20] desperate to proceed to create their own
[1:04:23] value.
[1:04:25] What really irritates me is to see the
[1:04:28] item on the agenda tonight.
[1:04:31] Number three,
[1:04:33] that has to do with the new official
[1:04:37] document for the parks and recreation
[1:04:42] managed by the county. It's been four
[1:04:45] years since I was promised in a public
[1:04:48] meeting by commissioners who were
[1:04:51] present at the meeting that we would
[1:04:54] have a swing set
[1:04:57] at Herit's Bluff Park. No swing set.
[1:05:01] They hung a couple of children's baby
[1:05:04] swings too high off the ground for kids
[1:05:08] to use by themselves
[1:05:10] on three- foot long chains
[1:05:13] on a piece of existing equipment that
[1:05:15] was never designed for that
[1:05:18] and that the kids can't manage
[1:05:20] themselves too high off the ground for
[1:05:22] them to reach.
[1:05:24] We don't even have swings and haven't
[1:05:26] had swings for the last five years. And
[1:05:29] here we are spending time documenting
[1:05:33] how y'all are going to control us in the
[1:05:35] parks
[1:05:38] instead of the taxpayer getting their
[1:05:40] money's worth after 20 years
[1:05:44] of failure by the county to manage its
[1:05:47] own.
[1:05:48] » Got one more minute. Okay.
[1:05:49] » Well, thank you very much. Okay.
[1:05:53] The problem that we have is it's gotten
[1:05:56] worse at Harriet's Bluff Park. We also
[1:05:58] don't have a tennis court or pickle ball
[1:06:01] court
[1:06:03] because the net was damaged and the post
[1:06:07] supporting the net were removed. They
[1:06:09] were cut off an inch and a half above
[1:06:12] ground level. And now they pose a hazard
[1:06:15] because there's a 4-in diameter hole
[1:06:16] with steel pipes sticking up an inch and
[1:06:19] a half above them exposed and kids are
[1:06:22] playing on that. And there's plenty of
[1:06:23] evidence of that from footprints and
[1:06:26] bike tracks and everything that are on
[1:06:27] the tennis courts at Heritage Park which
[1:06:30] can't be used for tennis.
[1:06:33] And so there's all kinds of issues. The
[1:06:36] barbecue grill I mentioned here a year
[1:06:40] and a half ago. No barbecue grill. We
[1:06:43] have a county park without a barbecue
[1:06:46] grill or a swing set.
[1:06:49] It sounds to me like maybe people who
[1:06:52] want to do business here look and see
[1:06:54] how well we're treating the people who
[1:06:56] already live here first before they
[1:06:59] decide to move here or move their
[1:07:01] companies here. And I think that could
[1:07:04] very well be a problem that we're always
[1:07:06] hearing from department people. Thank
[1:07:09] you.
[1:07:12] » Anybody else?
[1:07:13] » Ben Golf,
[1:07:24] Ben Goff from Heritage Fluff.
[1:07:30] And I want to state right up front that
[1:07:32] I miss Mr. Robert Bower
[1:07:37] and attended his uh celebration of life
[1:07:44] on Sunday afternoon.
[1:07:46] We're going to miss that
[1:07:50] man from his stance on parts and ditches
[1:07:53] and so on and so forth.
[1:07:57] So this is not a permanent thing, but
[1:08:02] for when I'm speaking I'm speaking in
[1:08:04] Mr. Bob Bower's house.
[1:08:07] [cough]
[1:08:08] Amazingly enough,
[1:08:11] [snorts]
[1:08:12] the addition requested for the items to
[1:08:15] the county codes seems to have been
[1:08:18] constructed in a more timely manner than
[1:08:20] the moratorum on the data centers and
[1:08:23] other items. And at first read seems to
[1:08:26] be inclusive of pretty much everything
[1:08:28] needed.
[1:08:29] [snorts]
[1:08:30] [cough and clears throat]
[1:08:32] And I'm referring to the uh
[1:08:36] items for the parks to be added to the
[1:08:39] uh
[1:08:42] county codes.
[1:08:44] Prior to Mr. Joey Kase's arrival at the
[1:08:47] PSA. [clears throat]
[1:08:49] I believe there were deposits required
[1:08:51] but no rental fee charged for pavilions.
[1:08:55] I believe it was instituted under his
[1:08:57] watch and I disagreed with it then and I
[1:09:01] still do.
[1:09:03] I dare say that anyone desiring to
[1:09:05] utilize one of one of the pavilions is a
[1:09:08] taxpayer to some degree or and some of
[1:09:11] those taxes go to support the parks and
[1:09:13] pavilions
[1:09:15] without an additional fee added.
[1:09:20] We're proposing
[1:09:24] $15 per hour or $150 per day for a
[1:09:27] pavilion
[1:09:29] and a deposit of $100 per day.
[1:09:33] I believe that both are excessive in
[1:09:36] light of it being public property and I
[1:09:38] hope the five of you will consider this
[1:09:40] to be an unnecessary expense for a
[1:09:43] taxpayer.
[1:09:44] Thank you very much.
[1:09:47] » Thank you, sir. Anybody
[1:09:52] else?
[1:10:00] » Oh, Miss Cessums.
[1:10:02] » Ma'am, this is this is about sweet
[1:10:04] water. This is about sweet water.
[1:10:07] » I was going to call on the next public
[1:10:09] com. This is about the agenda.
[1:10:12] » Oh, yeah.
[1:10:13] » Okay, [laughter]
[1:10:14] that's okay. I didn't expect to be up
[1:10:17] here at this time anyway. I just saw
[1:10:18] what was going on. Shirley Cesum, St.
[1:10:20] Mary's, Georgia.
[1:10:23] The gentleman that spoke on the um
[1:10:27] Georgia Florida Sport Park and he spoke
[1:10:31] on the Gilman North River
[1:10:34] um
[1:10:37] renovation.
[1:10:39] I think the last time I was here, I had
[1:10:41] asked you all um I don't know if he was
[1:10:44] here about it was something about this
[1:10:46] was on the agenda then and I asked had
[1:10:49] anyone did a
[1:10:52] um what impact
[1:10:55] of North River would this have on the
[1:10:57] current residence? There's about a 30 or
[1:11:00] maybe 50 people that currently live out
[1:11:03] there at North River and Finley Street
[1:11:06] run right straight down in the middle of
[1:11:07] the North River to the gates way he the
[1:11:10] park that he's talking and nobody never
[1:11:12] did get back with me and ask me what
[1:11:14] impact was this going to have on those
[1:11:16] residents. You know, I I know the
[1:11:18] project sound good and all of this and
[1:11:20] stuff like that, but you still there's
[1:11:22] no one out there at um North River know
[1:11:26] anything about all this.
[1:11:28] So,
[1:11:30] that need to be considered. The impact
[1:11:32] you having on the residents, okay? When
[1:11:35] you're making up making up these uh
[1:11:37] projects,
[1:11:38] that need to be considered.
[1:11:41] And another thing about the Georgia
[1:11:44] Florida park
[1:11:46] sports park, I only have a couple of
[1:11:48] things on that is it wanted to know what
[1:11:51] impact does this have on the regular
[1:11:53] parks here and the um in the county in
[1:11:58] the county for this big park you talking
[1:12:01] about to make and about um
[1:12:06] you know the it sounds good. It sounds
[1:12:09] good, but I just want to know the
[1:12:12] current park, the use of the current
[1:12:14] parks in the county. What impact this
[1:12:17] great big new development is going to
[1:12:20] have on the usage of these smaller parks
[1:12:23] that you're going to have around in the
[1:12:25] county? What's going to happen with them
[1:12:27] if you got this big developments coming?
[1:12:31] And that is about it.
[1:12:34] And I will say with the Georgia Park
[1:12:38] status, I don't see where Kings will
[1:12:40] need any more hotels and rest um
[1:12:42] restaurants. Okay. Thank you.
[1:12:45] » Thank you, ma'am.
[1:12:47] Anybody else?
[1:12:51] Okay, we move before we move into the uh
[1:12:55] the public hearing section, I'll make a
[1:12:57] motion that we take a five minute break.
[1:13:00] » Second.
[1:13:01] » Have a motion to second. All in favor?
[1:13:04] We'd be back in five.
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[1:18:28] I started to stay in.
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[1:18:30] isn't it?
[1:18:33] Okay, moving on. Um, entertain a motion
[1:18:36] to adjourn the regular meeting and enter
[1:18:38] a public hearing.
[1:18:40] » Move.
[1:18:41] » Second.
[1:18:42] » Have a motion and a second. All in
[1:18:44] favor?
[1:18:46] Okay. Now, we're going to enter the
[1:18:48] public hearing phase. Uh the first item
[1:18:50] is the first reading of the addition of
[1:18:51] chapter 12 parks and recreation
[1:18:54] facilities to the official code of
[1:18:56] Camden County.
[1:18:58] Uh does anybody in the audience wish to
[1:19:00] speak on this item?
[1:19:08] » Seeing none.
[1:19:13] Good evening, commissioners. Um, so I'm
[1:19:15] in front of you tonight to present the
[1:19:17] first reading for the addition of
[1:19:19] chapter 12 uh parks and recreation
[1:19:21] facilities to the official code of
[1:19:23] Camden County, Georgia.
[1:19:26] Um, we are considering, you know, we
[1:19:28] would offer to consider to wave the the
[1:19:31] first reading of the entire document.
[1:19:33] Um, there are no current, just a
[1:19:35] history, there are no currently there
[1:19:37] are not currently any ordinances in the
[1:19:39] county's official code pertaining to
[1:19:40] county owned parks and recreational
[1:19:42] facilities. Um, through years and years
[1:19:46] through the PSA, we've relied on the PSA
[1:19:48] to hold the those rules and regulations
[1:19:50] in the parks. Um, when we took over the
[1:19:52] parks on January 1st, we found a a hole,
[1:19:56] right? We needed to fill that void with
[1:19:58] having rules and regulations for our
[1:20:00] county parks. Um, so this ordinance
[1:20:03] establishes rules for the use,
[1:20:04] operation, and management of parks,
[1:20:06] historic sites, and recreational areas
[1:20:08] managed by the Camd County Board of
[1:20:10] Commissioners. The establishment of a
[1:20:12] park use ordinance for county-owned
[1:20:14] parks and recreational facilities will
[1:20:16] ensure the protection of public health
[1:20:18] and safety while also ensuring the
[1:20:20] stewardship of county assets and
[1:20:21] operations. This ordinance also
[1:20:23] establishes rules and regulations for
[1:20:25] park pavilion rentals, special event
[1:20:28] permits, and con uh concessionary uh
[1:20:31] authorization permits. Um so your
[1:20:34] options are to to wave the first reading
[1:20:36] of the addition of uh of the chapter 12.
[1:20:39] Um you can obviously have me read the
[1:20:42] entire thing. Um you can deny the item
[1:20:45] or or table the item. Um and our
[1:20:48] recommendation is uh you know to go
[1:20:50] ahead and wave the first reading.
[1:20:52] Thanks.
[1:20:52] » I bet that would be your recommendation.
[1:20:55] » I move to have him read the whole thing.
[1:20:57] » Okay.
[1:20:57] » Line by line.
[1:21:00] » Well, we're in a public hearing right
[1:21:01] now. That'll be in a few minutes.
[1:21:04] » Okay.
[1:21:07] [clears throat]
[1:21:08] » Anybody else?
[1:21:12] Moving on.
[1:21:13] » Yes.
[1:21:14] » Cassie, thank you.
[1:21:28] Good evening, commissioners. Can you
[1:21:30] hear me? All right.
[1:21:33] So, up first, we have a request to
[1:21:35] reszone approximately uh I'm sorry, we
[1:21:40] have a reszone request to uh
[1:21:44] let me start over. The applicant is
[1:21:46] requesting to reszone approximately two
[1:21:48] acres from agricultural forestry to
[1:21:52] agricultural residential.
[1:21:55] The applicant is requesting the
[1:21:57] reasonzoning in order to subdivide 2
[1:21:59] acres from a 9.7 acre tract. The minimum
[1:22:03] acreage for AF is 3 acres and AR is 2
[1:22:06] acres.
[1:22:09] This is the uh parcel highlighted in
[1:22:12] blue here.
[1:22:13] Here
[1:22:16] it is without the zoning.
[1:22:20] And here is what the track will look
[1:22:23] like once it's subdivided. Uh you can
[1:22:26] see in red there is the 2 acre track
[1:22:29] that we are reszoning and subdividing
[1:22:32] and the remaining acreage will be 7.78
[1:22:35] acres.
[1:22:38] Uh planning commission does recommend
[1:22:40] approval on this item.
[1:22:45] Okay. Does anybody in the audience want
[1:22:47] to speak for this item?
[1:22:52] » Does anybody want to speak against the
[1:22:53] item?
[1:22:57] » Seeing none, we'll move on to the next
[1:22:59] guessing.
[1:23:03] Up next, we have a special use request
[1:23:05] to amend the conditions placed on this
[1:23:08] parcel during reszoning by the board of
[1:23:10] commissioners on September 3rd, 2024.
[1:23:14] Um the be the board of commissioners
[1:23:17] approved to reszone the parcel with the
[1:23:19] condition that a 20 foot wide
[1:23:22] undisturbed natural buffer followed by a
[1:23:25] 10-ft high solid wood fence be installed
[1:23:28] between parcels 073A
[1:23:31] 034 and 073A 043A.
[1:23:37] [snorts] The project's request is to
[1:23:39] reduce the 20 foot wide buffer by three
[1:23:42] foot, making the buffer 17 foot in order
[1:23:45] to avoid disturbing a large tree, and to
[1:23:48] amend the type of material for the
[1:23:50] fencing from solid wood to a 29 gauge
[1:23:54] aggregated metal panel with a faux wood
[1:23:56] finish.
[1:23:58] Here's the parcel currently zoned
[1:24:00] commercial general.
[1:24:04] Here it is without the zoning.
[1:24:08] This is the approximate location of the
[1:24:11] tree they are trying to save.
[1:24:16] This is just a speck of the type of
[1:24:19] metal that they are requesting
[1:24:22] the 29 gauge a metal panel.
[1:24:27] Uh and this is what it will look like
[1:24:29] once it's completed.
[1:24:33] So, the planning commission has
[1:24:35] recommended approval with the condition
[1:24:38] that the three-foot setback reduction
[1:24:40] only be for the location of the tree
[1:24:42] they are trying to save and that the
[1:24:44] fence material must remain as solid
[1:24:46] wood.
[1:24:50] » Okay, thank you. Anybody wish to speak
[1:24:53] for this item?
[1:24:54] » Yes, sure. Well,
[1:24:56] » Junior, come up to the podium there. Uh,
[1:24:59] just give your name and your address.
[1:25:03] » What?
[1:25:03] » Your name and your address.
[1:25:06] » Name's uh L Boyd. They call me Junior
[1:25:09] Boyd. The address is 235 Granny's Place,
[1:25:12] Waverly, Georgia. 31565.
[1:25:16] We proposed to use the metal fence.
[1:25:18] [snorts] I didn't know they were looking
[1:25:20] for a sound decimal. I didn't come with
[1:25:22] much ammunition for it because a sound
[1:25:25] decimal on metal is 03. Sound decimal
[1:25:29] for half inch board for a privacy fence
[1:25:32] is 333. So you get a little more sound
[1:25:36] decimal. You're talking fractions of
[1:25:38] thousands
[1:25:40] out of the solid wood versus the metal.
[1:25:43] But the wood will be warped and
[1:25:46] deteriorated in 3 years and laying on
[1:25:49] the ground. The metal will be there the
[1:25:52] next 20 years. You got steel post versus
[1:25:56] wooden post set in concrete
[1:25:59] and the metal withstand winds up to 120
[1:26:02] mph. Wood will not.
[1:26:06] That's why we asked for the variance to
[1:26:09] put metal up instead of wood. And we
[1:26:11] tried to pick out a good metal. It's not
[1:26:13] cheap. It's going to run probably
[1:26:16] between 10 and $12,000 more to put up
[1:26:19] the metal fence versus the wood. But the
[1:26:22] wood is a maintenance nightmare
[1:26:25] and we didn't want that and it don't
[1:26:28] look that good in two years. So that's
[1:26:30] the only argument I got for it. I don't
[1:26:33] have no ammunition for sound.
[1:26:36] our what we what we produce over there,
[1:26:39] what we manufacture or produce or
[1:26:41] whatever you want to call it, it's not
[1:26:43] noisy.
[1:26:45] » I mean, there's no noise.
[1:26:48] Our radio is probably louder than our
[1:26:50] material.
[1:26:53] » Thanks, Junior.
[1:26:55] » Chairman, I do have a comment to read
[1:26:57] for someone in the audience as well.
[1:26:59] » Yes, this is a pro.
[1:27:00] » Yes.
[1:27:00] » Yes, ma'am.
[1:27:02] » So, this is um Miss Mimsy Winsky. She is
[1:27:05] here in the audience tonight and I'm
[1:27:07] going to be reading her comment. My
[1:27:08] husband and I own 252 Horse Stamp Church
[1:27:11] Road. We wish to show our support of
[1:27:13] what the planning and zoning commission
[1:27:16] decided for amending the special use,
[1:27:18] allowing the extra space to save the
[1:27:20] large tree and keeping the fence wood to
[1:27:23] help absorb the sound from the work in
[1:27:25] their shops, protecting the piece of our
[1:27:28] tenants as well as our property. My
[1:27:30] husband is unable to attend because of
[1:27:32] work and due to a brain injury, I have a
[1:27:34] hard time speaking. Please consider our
[1:27:36] comments for your decision.
[1:27:38] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:27:42] Anybody wish to speak against the item.
[1:27:47] So Cassie, what's the issue with the
[1:27:50] planning commission more go with wood
[1:27:53] rather than the metal? There was a
[1:27:55] question as to whether or not uh wood or
[1:27:58] whether or not metal would absorb as
[1:28:00] much sound as wood. Um so they
[1:28:02] ultimately decided that it should remain
[1:28:04] as solid wood since they didn't have a
[1:28:07] um a test one way or another.
[1:28:11] » Okay.
[1:28:15] Any other questions?
[1:28:16] » Can we ask questions?
[1:28:18] » Yes. Uh you said when discussing this
[1:28:21] particular item that the board had
[1:28:22] previously approved it with those
[1:28:24] conditions originally the 20ft buffer
[1:28:27] and the solid wood fence.
[1:28:28] » Yes.
[1:28:29] » What was the reasoning behind those
[1:28:31] being the conditions then? I mean not
[1:28:32] necessarily the setback but the wood
[1:28:34] fence. It's a noise issue, right?
[1:28:36] » Um it so they're going to be doing
[1:28:38] manufacturing. So it was to block
[1:28:40] there's a residential property.
[1:28:46] So, um, right
[1:28:49] » That doesn't sound much noisy.
[1:28:51] » Um, well,
[1:28:54] sorry. So, right there, uh, the property
[1:28:56] lined in blue, the one right next to it,
[1:28:59] there's a home there. So, that's to
[1:29:00] protect that house is why they placed
[1:29:02] the conditions on there.
[1:29:03] » That's 252, right?
[1:29:05] » Yes. 252 Horstamp Church Road.
[1:29:07] » Okay. And that's the homeowner. That's
[1:29:10] the the people that live where you just
[1:29:13] read the comment from, correct?
[1:29:14] » Yes. and and they would prefer to keep
[1:29:17] it solid wood versus metal. Okay,
[1:29:21] » Those are the only questions I had.
[1:29:23] Thank you.
[1:29:27] » Anybody else?
[1:29:29] » If I could just ask for what what are
[1:29:32] what's being fabricated there?
[1:29:34] » Uh metal buildings. They're um they're
[1:29:36] going to be just putting them together.
[1:29:38] » Okay. So,
[1:29:39] » Yeah, there's no
[1:29:42] you'll be putting the buildings
[1:29:43] together. There's no sawing. I mean,
[1:29:45] other than the general day-to-day stuff,
[1:29:47] I mean,
[1:29:49] » Yeah,
[1:29:53] » Fabric,
[1:29:55] » Right? Okay.
[1:29:56] » The buildings don't go together
[1:29:59] on a truck, go wherever
[1:30:04] it
[1:30:06] is. Not there's not a lot of noise.
[1:30:09] Backup alarm at Ocean makes us put on
[1:30:12] the forklift louder than anything we do.
[1:30:16] » Okay.
[1:30:19] » All right. Anything else?
[1:30:22] » Our building also will be sprayful.
[1:30:32] » Okay.
[1:30:34] Okay. Seeing nothing else, uh, make a
[1:30:38] motion to adjourn the public hearing and
[1:30:40] reconvene the regular meeting.
[1:30:41] » Second, Mr. Chairman.
[1:30:43] » Have a motion in a second. All in favor?
[1:30:47] » Now moving to the regular meeting.
[1:30:48] Cassie.
[1:30:49] » Okay. We have a request to reszone
[1:30:51] approximately 2 acres from a 9.7 acre
[1:30:54] track located at 6522 Bailey Mill Road.
[1:30:58] The reszone is going to be from
[1:31:00] agricultural forestry to agricultural
[1:31:02] res residential and planning commission
[1:31:04] recommends approval.
[1:31:08] » Okay.
[1:31:09] Having heard, you entertain a motion.
[1:31:13] » Mr. Chairman, I'll move to approve uh
[1:31:17] the zoning map amendment for RZN 26
[1:31:20] triple07.
[1:31:22] » I'll second.
[1:31:24] We have a motion and a second for
[1:31:26] approval. All in favor?
[1:31:29] Motion carries. Next item.
[1:31:32] » Next up, we have a special use request
[1:31:34] to amend the conditions placed on this
[1:31:36] parcel during reasonzoning by the board
[1:31:38] of commissioners. Uh the [clears throat]
[1:31:40] request is to reduce the 20 foot wide
[1:31:43] buffer by 3 ft, making the buffer 17 ft,
[1:31:47] and to amend the type of material for
[1:31:49] fencing from solid wood to a 29 gauge
[1:31:52] aggregated metal panel with a faux wood
[1:31:54] finish. Planning Commission recommends
[1:31:56] approval with the condition that the
[1:31:58] three-foot setback reduction only be for
[1:32:01] the location of the tree they are trying
[1:32:02] to save and the fence material must
[1:32:05] remain solid wood.
[1:32:09] Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve
[1:32:11] the three-foot setback reduction to save
[1:32:14] the tree,
[1:32:16] but I'd also like to
[1:32:20] uh have in the motion that we allow the
[1:32:22] use of the metal fencing rather than the
[1:32:24] wood.
[1:32:25] I'll second that.
[1:32:27] » We have a motion and a second.
[1:32:30] » All in favor?
[1:32:34] » All opposed?
[1:32:36] » Thank you.
[1:32:37] » Thank you, ma'am.
[1:32:57] Okay, moving on to item three.
[1:33:00] » All right, gentlemen. I'm back again. Um
[1:33:03] again for the first reading of the
[1:33:04] addition of chapter 12 parks and recck
[1:33:06] facilities to the official code of
[1:33:07] Camden County, Georgia. Uh again, there
[1:33:11] was no or there are currently no
[1:33:13] ordinances in the county official code
[1:33:15] pertaining to county owned parks and rec
[1:33:16] facilities. Um, and this will establish
[1:33:19] the use, operation, and management of
[1:33:21] the parks and recreational areas managed
[1:33:23] by the county. Um, and this will also
[1:33:26] help uh ensure the protection of public
[1:33:28] health and safety while also ensuring
[1:33:30] the stewardship of county assets and
[1:33:32] operations.
[1:33:33] » Okay,
[1:33:34] » Mr. Chairman, I move to wave the first
[1:33:36] reading of this ordinance, but I would
[1:33:39] like uh Jared to answer some questions
[1:33:41] regarding the ordinance.
[1:33:44] » Okay, we have a motion to uh wave the
[1:33:46] first reading. I'll second. Open for
[1:33:48] discussion.
[1:33:50] » I guess I'll just ask my questions now.
[1:33:53] Um, so has our legal council had a
[1:33:56] chance to review the ordinance?
[1:33:57] » Yes.
[1:34:00] » Is that better, Jim? Thank you. Uh,
[1:34:02] okay. So, I had some questions about
[1:34:04] some of the verbiage here. So, on the
[1:34:06] first page, under authorized
[1:34:07] representative, it says Camden County
[1:34:09] Sheriff's Department. Um, legally, it's
[1:34:12] the the the sheriff's office is a
[1:34:14] constitutional office. So, I want to
[1:34:15] make sure we correct that from
[1:34:16] department to office.
[1:34:18] » Okay.
[1:34:19] » Um, it says that those authorized
[1:34:22] representatives will be assigned in
[1:34:25] writing. Um, and I was just wondering
[1:34:28] where we're going to be keeping a list
[1:34:30] of authorized representatives. So, like
[1:34:32] if I'm at a park enjoying myself and
[1:34:34] someone approaches me and says that they
[1:34:36] are
[1:34:39] I'm with the county and you got to
[1:34:40] leave, how how can I verify that they're
[1:34:42] an authorized representative? Where are
[1:34:43] those going to be kept in writing at?
[1:34:47] » Um, I would assume that at at this time
[1:34:49] I I don't have that. I I I I would
[1:34:51] assume that the administration is going
[1:34:53] to keep a running u role of who what
[1:34:56] departments have that uh ability to to
[1:34:59] enforce these ordinances.
[1:35:01] » Okay.
[1:35:01] » I would take that as something similar
[1:35:02] to the way we we we swear in an animal
[1:35:05] control officer. I would think that that
[1:35:06] would be a s a similar program or code
[1:35:08] enforcement that these people have
[1:35:10] authority to
[1:35:12] um address that if that that's
[1:35:14] addressing your concerns who was has
[1:35:15] authority within the county.
[1:35:16] » So the sheriff's office will need
[1:35:18] separate written authorization to be an
[1:35:19] authorized representative.
[1:35:22] » No, no, no, no, no, no. Authorized means
[1:35:24] the sheriff's office,
[1:35:26] a member of public works, or if we
[1:35:28] designate another, let's say we allowed
[1:35:31] code enforcement to to do something
[1:35:34] within there that they would be listed
[1:35:35] as an authorized person.
[1:35:36] » Okay. Yeah, I think I'm seeing it.
[1:35:38] » But but code enforcement already would
[1:35:39] be because they already are sworn in,
[1:35:41] right? So So that that that's where that
[1:35:43] is. So the main the main group is
[1:35:46] obviously um the custodial of the
[1:35:48] day-to-day is on the park is public
[1:35:50] works. We're going to use uh the county
[1:35:53] sheriff as assistance to enforce any
[1:35:55] rules, anybody that's, you know, not
[1:35:57] abiding by our ordinances. Um and then
[1:35:59] any other administration as needed, um
[1:36:02] you know, that's designated as as that
[1:36:04] role.
[1:36:05] » Okay. Um
[1:36:08] uh so under section
[1:36:12] on the very top of the third page, that
[1:36:15] section be there, it shall be unlawful
[1:36:17] for any person. That's that item there
[1:36:19] says any person violating the subsection
[1:36:21] shall be punished by a fine up to 500 or
[1:36:23] imprisoned up to 30 days or both. My
[1:36:26] question is this a jailable offense.
[1:36:29] » Uh so like an authorized representative
[1:36:32] says you have to leave and you don't
[1:36:34] uh and they're subject to these things.
[1:36:37] If it's arrestable, I guess it would
[1:36:38] have to have a bond or else someone's
[1:36:39] sitting in jail until that that's the
[1:36:43] challenge we have right now with law
[1:36:44] enforcement trying to enforce our
[1:36:46] ordinances is someone would be sitting
[1:36:48] in jail until it's heard in court.
[1:36:50] » That's a separate issue. Uh,
[1:36:51] Commissioner, as far as a a bond, um,
[1:36:55] depending on the nature of the offense
[1:36:56] is either heard by the magistrate court
[1:36:58] who uh does first appearance hearings or
[1:37:01] given a certain level of offense is
[1:37:03] heard by the superior court to set
[1:37:04] bonds. these kinds of offenses um either
[1:37:08] many times may have a schedule that
[1:37:10] allows somebody to bond out
[1:37:13] » Quite quite quickly
[1:37:15] » Like the way probate court does with
[1:37:17] some of the um county offenses or um if
[1:37:22] they're going before the magistrate has
[1:37:24] a bond set. Now, as far as somebody
[1:37:26] getting out at that point, that's, you
[1:37:27] know, there's issues with, you know,
[1:37:29] bonding agencies, but getting in front
[1:37:31] of a judge for this level of offense is
[1:37:33] different than something that a superior
[1:37:35] court judge may be handling.
[1:37:36] » Okay. So,
[1:37:36] » And it also is determinative of the
[1:37:38] district attorney's office, and that's a
[1:37:39] different issue.
[1:37:40] » Okay. So, people aren't going to be held
[1:37:41] in jail in
[1:37:43] » For for vi for violating a park.
[1:37:45] » No. And and the punishment particularly
[1:37:47] with this is at a sentencing stage. That
[1:37:49] that's what that's really referencing.
[1:37:51] » Okay. Also, if you look at that as any
[1:37:54] prohibited area, that's like if somebody
[1:37:56] got out there in the middle of a
[1:37:58] baseball field with a four-wheel drive
[1:38:00] truck and they tore the field up,
[1:38:02] » Right? Well, I'm also thinking about
[1:38:03] Howard People's Park. People, you know,
[1:38:05] we have all that. It's kind of blocked
[1:38:07] off, but people set up in the back
[1:38:08] behind the ball fields over by the
[1:38:10] Frisbee golf. I just don't want people
[1:38:12] to be trying to enjoy the park harmless
[1:38:15] harmlessly and then all of a sudden
[1:38:16] they're
[1:38:17] » Well and there's a different and I think
[1:38:19] that that that might be getting a little
[1:38:20] bit into the weeds here because I think
[1:38:21] that it's ultimately determinative of a
[1:38:23] court if there was to be an offense
[1:38:24] issued and that's also up to law
[1:38:26] enforcement as to what what is being
[1:38:28] enforced and how it's being enforced.
[1:38:31] » Uh
[1:38:34] one, two, three, four. So on the fifth
[1:38:36] page, um hours of public access to
[1:38:39] parks, historic sites, and recreational
[1:38:41] area, it says county parks, historic
[1:38:44] sites, recreational areas will be open
[1:38:46] for use of the public between sunrise
[1:38:47] and sunset or at times designated by
[1:38:50] county supervised activity.
[1:38:53] My question is what constitutes a county
[1:38:55] supervised activity? I know we have at
[1:38:57] Howard People's Park, for example, the
[1:38:59] I'm glad you asked people playing pickle
[1:39:01] ball into the night. So one so one of
[1:39:03] them would be that would be one. Another
[1:39:06] one would be um we have a a portion of
[1:39:09] the uh county that is looking to do a
[1:39:12] special um
[1:39:14] like themed event at Sugar Mill and it's
[1:39:17] at dusk. They're going to have it candle
[1:39:18] lit. They're going to have people in
[1:39:20] person um actors that are portraying um
[1:39:23] people of that that era that you will be
[1:39:25] able to basically go through that park
[1:39:27] and have an experience of the Sugarmill
[1:39:29] Ruins. So that would be an example of a
[1:39:31] a county hosted event that is going to
[1:39:33] occur uh after sunset. So it' be things
[1:39:36] like that. It'd be at the county's
[1:39:38] discretion if we're authorizing things
[1:39:40] to continue after sunset in the parks.
[1:39:42] Obviously, if it's a a basketball court
[1:39:44] that's lighted, a pickle ball court
[1:39:46] that's lighted, those are designated to
[1:39:49] uh be used. Uh what we don't want is say
[1:39:52] a park like um Howard uh not Howard
[1:39:54] People's uh Harriet's Bluff Park that
[1:39:56] isn't lit up. We don't need to have
[1:39:58] people that are just, you know, um doing
[1:40:01] activities in that park that isn't lit.
[1:40:03] Um are become more of a liability issue
[1:40:06] of, you know, them being injured on
[1:40:08] something. They can't see what they're
[1:40:09] doing because it's, you know, a dimly uh
[1:40:12] dim park, things those of that nature.
[1:40:14] I'm
[1:40:14] » Not trying to target pickle ball in
[1:40:16] particular, but I just think that's the
[1:40:17] most prevalent example I can think of.
[1:40:20] Will those be extended hours that are
[1:40:22] set or is it just when people are done
[1:40:25] playing pickle ball? cuz the lights kind
[1:40:26] of stay on all
[1:40:27] » The lights stay on to a point. So,
[1:40:29] that's something that we're going to
[1:40:30] move towards as a as a community and a
[1:40:33] county. Um we're going to have more and
[1:40:35] more lighted the the goal is to have
[1:40:36] more and more lighted um facilities and
[1:40:39] then at that point we'll then determine
[1:40:41] okay do the timers go off automatically
[1:40:44] at 10:00 and that and that's the the
[1:40:46] time that the that the hook is pulled
[1:40:48] right and and everyone needs to leave
[1:40:49] the park. Uh we'll we'll go through that
[1:40:52] as we update and and add to these parks
[1:40:55] uh these amenities.
[1:40:56] » Okay. Uh public works uh department
[1:40:59] shall formulate rules and regulations
[1:41:01] covering these particular activities
[1:41:03] mentioned here on the next page. Uh it
[1:41:05] says rules and regulations not become
[1:41:06] effective until approved by the board.
[1:41:08] My question is are those going to be
[1:41:11] published and maintained somewhere? Um,
[1:41:14] I want to make sure people that are are
[1:41:16] enjoying a county park are aware of the
[1:41:18] rules that they're going to be subject
[1:41:19] to or could be questioned on by a county
[1:41:22] representative. So, um, I guess are all
[1:41:25] the rules we're going to hold people
[1:41:26] accountable to, will those be posted at
[1:41:28] the park?
[1:41:30] » They would likely be accessible. So, I
[1:41:32] don't think we're going to post a whole
[1:41:33] copy of this ordinance, but Oh, yeah.
[1:41:35] Not this.
[1:41:35] » But notice
[1:41:37] to be able to obtain or or say if you
[1:41:40] want to rent this facility, go to blah
[1:41:42] might be way to address that. Um,
[1:41:45] » And and we'll have general signage that
[1:41:47] might say, you know, no um no pets,
[1:41:50] unleash pets beyond this point, no
[1:41:52] vehicles beyond this point. Those will
[1:41:54] all be referencing these code code and
[1:41:56] ordinances.
[1:41:57] » Okay.
[1:41:58] » Right now, we right now we could put
[1:42:00] that sign out, but we have no ordinance
[1:42:02] to right
[1:42:02] » To enforce it based on that's what we're
[1:42:04] trying to establish here.
[1:42:07] And just for te um text uh in just
[1:42:10] context um I I went and took the
[1:42:14] ordinances that are in many surrounding
[1:42:16] communities both uh in Georgia and
[1:42:18] Florida in our neighboring communities
[1:42:21] and and pulled from their established
[1:42:24] ordinances. Um don't need to reinvent
[1:42:26] the wheel on communities that have
[1:42:27] already gone down this path, right? Um
[1:42:29] and then and then tailored it to us. Um,
[1:42:32] so this is kind of a conglomerate of
[1:42:34] what's already being seen around our
[1:42:37] neighboring communities in their own
[1:42:38] parks,
[1:42:39] » Right? I think my two more questions.
[1:42:43] So, uh, cleanup uh, event organizer
[1:42:46] qualifications and timelines. Um, it has
[1:42:49] the provision in here about getting a
[1:42:52] certificate of insurance up to a million
[1:42:54] dollars. My question is, I know in the
[1:42:56] future we're planning on developing some
[1:42:58] sort of adopt a park program where we
[1:43:00] could have organized cleanups. Would
[1:43:02] those groups also be required to obtain
[1:43:04] a certificate of insurance or is this
[1:43:05] for like hosting?
[1:43:07] » No, this would be hosting a festival.
[1:43:09] This would be like an open air
[1:43:11] invitation to let's say Cornelia Jackson
[1:43:14] Park to have a big uh festival that like
[1:43:17] we had this year that just happened at
[1:43:20] that park uh alongside the crawfish
[1:43:23] festival. Well, there was no policing
[1:43:25] that that event. That event was
[1:43:28] unsanctioned by the county, we'll say.
[1:43:30] It was just hosted by people that put up
[1:43:32] on a Facebook account that, hey, anybody
[1:43:34] that wants to come here can do this,
[1:43:36] that, and and and the other. Um, at the
[1:43:39] end of the day, the the park, you know,
[1:43:42] it took us two days to recover that
[1:43:43] park. Um, there was nobody then to go
[1:43:46] back to and say, you know, your event
[1:43:48] caused this damage. The county needs,
[1:43:50] you know, funding to to recover that. So
[1:43:53] that was that portion of this ordinance
[1:43:56] is establishing those rules that we can
[1:43:58] try to regulate and and try to protect
[1:44:00] ourselves and the parks in the liability
[1:44:03] of having these big open air events.
[1:44:05] » So large large organized events, not
[1:44:07] necessarily uh an impromptu family
[1:44:10] reunion. And then prop two, family
[1:44:11] reunion. As long as they're not over
[1:44:14] like we have each event, each um item or
[1:44:17] each pavilion has a set occupancy that
[1:44:20] is normed deemed a a normal event. Might
[1:44:23] be 50, might be 75 people. Now, if
[1:44:26] you're talking over a hundred people,
[1:44:27] now we go into more of a special event.
[1:44:30] Or if it's a um a church that might
[1:44:32] have, say, an open invitation that's
[1:44:35] just out there, they need to go through
[1:44:37] the special event because we just need
[1:44:38] to refine more the their obligations to
[1:44:42] the rental of that pavilion that if
[1:44:44] they're, you know, if they're inviting
[1:44:46] anybody off the street to come to the
[1:44:47] event, they are responsible of what that
[1:44:50] person might
[1:44:51] » And advertised.
[1:44:52] » Yes. whatever that person may do at that
[1:44:54] event, right? Um, so we just got to make
[1:44:56] sure that we do have that that
[1:44:58] organization that is going to be
[1:45:00] responsible at the end of the day.
[1:45:02] » And the last question or probably more
[1:45:03] of a cleanup on the second to last page
[1:45:06] under public safety personnel fees, it
[1:45:09] just says if the department determines.
[1:45:11] I imagine that's your department, but I
[1:45:12] think we might want to specify.
[1:45:19] be
[1:45:21] it's going to be a joint between my
[1:45:22] department and the sheriff's because I'm
[1:45:24] anytime we're going to have a large
[1:45:25] event and I'm going to run it by the
[1:45:27] sheriff office on whether or not they
[1:45:29] feel that the event needs to be staffed
[1:45:31] by a public safety officer.
[1:45:35] » Okay. So again, I think we should be
[1:45:37] specific though if the public works
[1:45:38] department or sheriff's office
[1:45:40] determines, you know, be being
[1:45:42] intentional about being specific about
[1:45:43] who's responsible.
[1:45:47] Okay, good.
[1:45:49] » Thank you.
[1:45:52] » Okay, we have a motion on the floor to
[1:45:53] wave the first reading.
[1:45:56] I have a motion in a second. Any forward
[1:45:58] discussion? All in favor?
[1:46:00] » I got Well, I got one thing. Um, hours
[1:46:02] of public access to parks and historic
[1:46:05] site and recreation area. That doesn't
[1:46:07] include boat ramps, does it?
[1:46:09] » No.
[1:46:09] » Those boat ramps are 24/7.
[1:46:12] » Again. Yes. And again, most of our boat
[1:46:14] ramps are well, yeah, most of them are
[1:46:16] lit up. Yeah,
[1:46:19] » That's all.
[1:46:20] » Anything else? All in favor?
[1:46:24] Motion carries.
[1:46:26] » Thank you.
[1:46:27] » Item number four, Jared,
[1:46:29] » Give me a second. I got too many papers
[1:46:31] here.
[1:46:35] » All right. Um in front of you tonight is
[1:46:37] item agenda four or agenda item four,
[1:46:41] five, and six will all have to do with
[1:46:43] uh projects that were currently co-oping
[1:46:45] on the base um the naval base with. Um
[1:46:48] so the first one is a new generator for
[1:46:50] their communication towers on the base.
[1:46:52] It's for the approval of purchase and
[1:46:54] installation. Uh the revenue on that, so
[1:46:57] the final check we'll get from the
[1:46:59] Department of Defense will be
[1:47:00] $47,811.50.
[1:47:03] The true expense of the project is
[1:47:06] 43,465.
[1:47:09] So that that brings in a you know a
[1:47:11] profit to the county of um $4,346.50.
[1:47:15] And yes, we will hold them to the 50. Um
[1:47:19] so we're just looking for consider the
[1:47:21] approval of the purchase installation of
[1:47:22] the new generator uh for the comm's
[1:47:24] tower on the naval base. Um, as you guys
[1:47:27] know, um, we've gone into a IGSA with
[1:47:30] the the Navy and to and this year to
[1:47:33] help support infrastructure maintenance
[1:47:35] projects and to help bring, um, funding
[1:47:38] to the unincorporated side for capital
[1:47:40] improvements for public works. Um,
[1:47:43] quotes received were two local
[1:47:44] electrical contractors that are cleared
[1:47:46] and certified to perform the
[1:47:47] installation on the naval base. Quotes
[1:47:50] include removal of existing unit,
[1:47:52] purchase and delivery of the new
[1:47:53] generator, installation, and startup. Um
[1:47:55] the estimated delivery is 18 weeks from
[1:47:58] approval. So I will generate a uh
[1:48:00] purchase order for this. They will order
[1:48:02] the unit. Um we will be invoicing the
[1:48:05] base for that that unit and we will
[1:48:07] receive the money um from the base for
[1:48:09] the unit itself before the unit is
[1:48:11] delivered. So we won't be out there um
[1:48:13] with the money uh paying on on this unit
[1:48:16] um for months on end before we get
[1:48:18] payment from the DoD.
[1:48:21] The lowest [snorts and clears throat]
[1:48:21] received quote is for a Generrack SD030
[1:48:24] from Satillaa Air and Electric
[1:48:26] Contractors out of Kingsland. And the
[1:48:28] IGSA includes a fee schedule to cover
[1:48:30] any other additional expenses. Uh and
[1:48:33] the motion um to approve this uh
[1:48:35] purchase and installation um is
[1:48:37] recommended by staff. Uh and just for
[1:48:40] clarification, um I am the only one
[1:48:42] that's doing any work on the base for
[1:48:45] this project and it's more in a uh
[1:48:47] contractor or a general uh foreman for
[1:48:49] the project. Um we're vetting the
[1:48:52] project through um got quotes uh
[1:48:54] solicited uh from different vendors
[1:48:56] quotes. Uh met them on site. Um you
[1:48:59] know, ballpark on the end of this
[1:49:01] project. if I have 25 hours on base um
[1:49:05] invested in this um we're not putting
[1:49:08] any other additional manpower into it
[1:49:10] and and the county is going to bring in,
[1:49:11] you know, $4,300.
[1:49:16] » Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the
[1:49:18] purchase and installation of a generator
[1:49:20] for the communications tower on Naval
[1:49:22] Submarine Base Kings Bay.
[1:49:23] » Second.
[1:49:24] » We have a motion and a second. Any
[1:49:26] discussion? All in favor?
[1:49:30] Motion carries.
[1:49:32] All right. So, items number five and six
[1:49:34] coincide. Um, one is the awarding HVAC
[1:49:38] installation contract for a uh
[1:49:41] installation of a uh cooling unit and
[1:49:44] the uh number six is the purchase of the
[1:49:46] cool cooling unit outright. Um, so
[1:49:48] number five is the ward of HVAC
[1:49:51] installation contract for the child
[1:49:52] development center on the naval
[1:49:54] submarine base, Kings Bay. [snorts]
[1:49:56] Um, quotes received from two local
[1:49:58] commercial heating and cooling
[1:50:00] contractors to install a new Evapco
[1:50:02] cooling tower unit at the CDC. Quotes
[1:50:05] include the removal and disposal of the
[1:50:07] existing unit, installation of the new
[1:50:08] unit, and startup. The lowest quote
[1:50:11] received is from Comfort Systems USA uh,
[1:50:14] incorporated and they are utilizing an
[1:50:16] Omnia Partners cooperative purchasing
[1:50:18] contract. Um, so we're already getting
[1:50:20] competitive pricing on their labor and
[1:50:22] their installation.
[1:50:24] » [cough]
[1:50:25] » Uh motion is to the department
[1:50:27] recommends to approve the installation
[1:50:29] contract for comfort systems USA uh for
[1:50:31] the cooling tower. Um real quick again
[1:50:36] 35,750 is our revenue. 32,500
[1:50:40] um is our expenses. So we're looking at
[1:50:42] uh bringing in u $3,250 for this for
[1:50:46] this process.
[1:50:48] » Okay.
[1:50:50] Do we have a motion?
[1:50:52] » Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the
[1:50:53] award of an HVAC installation contract
[1:50:55] for the child development center on
[1:50:57] Naval Summer Base Kings Bay.
[1:50:59] » I'll second.
[1:51:02] » Have a motion in a second. Any
[1:51:03] discussion?
[1:51:04] » I wanted to ask, so you said about
[1:51:07] $4,000 worth of profit on the previous
[1:51:09] mo and then this one's about $3,000
[1:51:12] worth of profit. It was stated earlier
[1:51:14] during public comment that you would
[1:51:16] need to perform about $2 million worth
[1:51:19] of projects to be able to afford the
[1:51:22] excavator that we have down here on item
[1:51:24] 7.
[1:51:24] » That is correct.
[1:51:25] » So my question is about how many
[1:51:28] millions of dollars or dollars worth of
[1:51:30] projects do you have currently on the
[1:51:32] books with the
[1:51:34] » So these projects um seem minute. Um
[1:51:37] they're really big uh important projects
[1:51:39] on the base. These are projects that are
[1:51:41] being funded mostly at the end of their
[1:51:43] fiscal year. The end of their fiscal
[1:51:44] year ends September 30th. So these are
[1:51:47] projects that they have gotten funding
[1:51:49] last minute that's been said, "All
[1:51:50] right, here's this funding. You know, if
[1:51:53] you have something, you can utilize it."
[1:51:54] So these are items that have been on
[1:51:56] their waiting list for just this thing.
[1:51:58] Um, so a lot of these, they actually
[1:52:00] came to me with like the generator
[1:52:02] already with two quotes, did most of the
[1:52:05] leg work. Um, and they just they know by
[1:52:08] utilizing us and our purchasing policy
[1:52:10] and and the program that we have, we can
[1:52:12] get it done uh and and get them under
[1:52:15] contract before the end of the fiscal
[1:52:17] year. Otherwise, the money would have
[1:52:18] just been lost and given back, lost that
[1:52:20] opportunity to improve something on the
[1:52:22] base before September 30th if they went
[1:52:24] through their normal protocol through
[1:52:25] their own their own systems. So this is
[1:52:28] just a this is actually a big perk for
[1:52:30] them because they're able to get
[1:52:32] projects done on base that would
[1:52:34] probably have just gone to the wayside
[1:52:36] and in the end we're basically on
[1:52:38] average on all these projects we we get
[1:52:40] 10% right off the top. So whatever the
[1:52:43] project you know comes in at we're
[1:52:45] getting 10% on top of that. That 10% is
[1:52:48] coming back to the county.
[1:52:49] » So we're on track to make the $200,000
[1:52:52] you need for the excavator coming up. So
[1:52:54] over the last three years, this will be
[1:52:55] our third year with doing IGSA, we've
[1:52:58] always done $2 million work um in just
[1:53:01] road alone in road improvements. That's
[1:53:03] already being scheduled and already in
[1:53:05] the books. On top of that $2 million,
[1:53:08] they already have well over $9 million
[1:53:11] uh associated and projects that we are
[1:53:12] going to be working on and and doing
[1:53:14] third party uh work on. Be it roofing,
[1:53:17] heating and cooling, railroad track
[1:53:19] crossing repairs, uh specialty equipment
[1:53:21] down on the waterfront base, um repairs
[1:53:24] on underground steam line. Again, these
[1:53:26] are all projects that we are going to be
[1:53:28] the middleman uh the project manager on
[1:53:31] and that we aren't going to be doing um
[1:53:33] any major work on the property
[1:53:35] ourselves. It's all going to be
[1:53:36] thirdparty subcontractors.
[1:53:38] » And you're not doing that just because
[1:53:39] you like extra work. You're doing that
[1:53:40] because we signed an intergovernmental
[1:53:42] service agreement to provide that to the
[1:53:44] base. Correct.
[1:53:44] » And I stepped up at, you know, in in May
[1:53:47] when we talked about the budget and I
[1:53:49] said that we weren't going to utilize
[1:53:51] any capital funds out of the
[1:53:52] unincorporated fund for public works
[1:53:54] this year that we were going to go earn
[1:53:56] it on the base and this is us doing
[1:53:58] that.
[1:53:59] » Absolutely. So, thank you.
[1:54:00] » No problem.
[1:54:03] » We have a motion and a second. Any
[1:54:04] further discussion? All in favor?
[1:54:07] Motion carries.
[1:54:10] » Uh item number six goes along with five.
[1:54:12] So it's the approval to purchase that
[1:54:14] Evapco cooling tower unit uh for the
[1:54:16] child development center on the base. Um
[1:54:18] we're buying this unit directly from the
[1:54:20] manufacturer. Um we looked at two
[1:54:23] different units that could fit on the
[1:54:25] existing foot uh footprint and
[1:54:27] configuration in the building. Um these
[1:54:29] two uh there was two models. Um, one was
[1:54:32] an Evacco unit. One was a um, recaloo
[1:54:36] unit. Um, the evacco unit came in under
[1:54:39] uh, way underpriced compared to the
[1:54:41] other unit and that's the the unit that
[1:54:43] the base wanted to go with. Um, so
[1:54:45] that's what we're looking at. We got
[1:54:46] quotes from the two manufacturers. Um,
[1:54:48] they include purchase and delivery of
[1:54:50] the unit directly from the manufacturer
[1:54:52] and then installation will be performed
[1:54:53] by the the previous agenda item that was
[1:54:56] just approved. Um, lowest quote was on
[1:54:58] that unit. Um, and we're looking to
[1:55:01] approve uh the purchase of this unit
[1:55:03] directly from Heat Transfer Systems of
[1:55:05] Georgia. Um, which again, not only are
[1:55:08] we buying the unit direct, but on both
[1:55:10] sides, both the county and the and the
[1:55:13] federal government are saving on the 7%
[1:55:15] tax that we would have normally paid by
[1:55:17] going through the contractor and buying
[1:55:18] that unit outright.
[1:55:22] » Entertain a motion.
[1:55:23] » Mr. Chairman, I move to purchase the
[1:55:25] Evapco cooling tower unit for the child
[1:55:28] development center on Naval Submarine
[1:55:29] Base Kings Bay.
[1:55:31] » Second.
[1:55:31] » We have a motion and second. Any
[1:55:33] discussion? All in favor?
[1:55:37] » Motion carries.
[1:55:39] » Item seven.
[1:55:40] » All right. So, lastly is uh like we
[1:55:42] talked about is what we're trying to
[1:55:44] bring into the county, right? We're
[1:55:46] trying to use these opportunities of of
[1:55:48] making and bringing some funds from the
[1:55:50] naval base to bring in uh real equipment
[1:55:53] for public works. Uh so we're looking
[1:55:56] for approval of the rental and purchase
[1:55:57] agreement of the link belt 350 X4
[1:56:00] excavator package. Um [clears throat]
[1:56:04] our current the the actual endup price
[1:56:06] would be $196,250.
[1:56:09] It's going to come out of all revenues
[1:56:11] from the the the naval base. Um, our
[1:56:14] current John Deere 200 excavator was
[1:56:16] purchased in 2007 and is scheduled to be
[1:56:18] replaced in fiscal year 2029 at an
[1:56:21] estimated cost of $375,000.
[1:56:24] Public Works has had at least two
[1:56:26] function or we require at least two
[1:56:27] functional excavators to dig and repair
[1:56:29] roads, load materials into dump trucks,
[1:56:31] and perform other tasks for the county,
[1:56:33] especially in um um emergency
[1:56:35] situations. Uh we currently own two
[1:56:38] excavators. We owned a two 2007 John
[1:56:40] Deere 200 series and a 2018 John Deere
[1:56:43] 300 series. The John Deere 200 excavator
[1:56:46] has had multiple breakdowns totaling
[1:56:47] over $45,000 over the past year and it's
[1:56:50] just no longer effective as a frontline
[1:56:52] excavator for our tasks. So, what we're
[1:56:55] looking to do is we're looking to buy
[1:56:56] this uh excavator early, utilize the 200
[1:57:00] and get the last few years out of it,
[1:57:02] but but try to prolong the use of that
[1:57:04] on our own property. Stop moving it
[1:57:06] across the county. stop that wear and
[1:57:08] tear and get some more longevity out of
[1:57:10] the equipment um before we need to
[1:57:12] retire it. Um funding for the public
[1:57:14] works equipment u is approved in that in
[1:57:16] our budget u through the revenues on the
[1:57:19] naval base. Um this specific unit is a
[1:57:22] 2025 link belt excavator. It's a former
[1:57:25] longerterm rental unit with 2,700 hours
[1:57:28] of use and is in actually in great
[1:57:30] working order. uh excavator package
[1:57:33] includes a hydraulic thumb, a 60-in
[1:57:35] bucket, and the remaining of a 5-year
[1:57:38] 5,000 hour warranty. Um that that
[1:57:41] expires uh of January 30th of 2030. So,
[1:57:44] we're we're taking over the warranty
[1:57:45] that is existing on the unit. A new unit
[1:57:48] with the same specs currently retails at
[1:57:50] $356,000.
[1:57:52] Uh and additional quotes were received
[1:57:54] for similar units in the market. Um, and
[1:57:57] what we're going to do is we're going to
[1:57:58] rent this unit at a rate of8 $8,750 per
[1:58:02] month through 2026. And we'll purchase
[1:58:05] the unit outright in January 2027. Uh,
[1:58:08] most of the rental fee will be applied
[1:58:09] to the final cost of the unit. So, in
[1:58:11] the this tax schedule shows that in the
[1:58:14] next 4 months, essentially, we're going
[1:58:15] to pay $4,000 in interest, which is
[1:58:18] essentially paying their note that they
[1:58:19] have on the unit themselves. Um, this
[1:58:21] gives us the opportunity to uh bring in
[1:58:24] all of the work and and and the funding
[1:58:26] from the projects that we're currently
[1:58:28] working on the base to cover the
[1:58:29] purchase of this unit. So, it gives us
[1:58:31] that opportunity for the next 3 to four
[1:58:33] months to bring that money back into the
[1:58:35] b uh into the county coffers from the
[1:58:37] base.
[1:58:40] Okay.
[1:58:41] » Entertain a motion.
[1:58:42] » Mr. Chairman, I move we approve this
[1:58:44] item. Second.
[1:58:46] » Have a motion and a second. Discussion.
[1:58:49] All in favor?
[1:58:51] Motion carries.
[1:58:52] » Thank you, gentlemen.
[1:58:54] » We took item number eight off the
[1:58:55] agenda. Now we're going to item number
[1:58:57] nine, which is the drought study.
[1:59:00] » Good evening, commissioners. This agenda
[1:59:02] item is for your consideration to
[1:59:04] approve the contract with linker for the
[1:59:06] drought study for Camden County. Camden
[1:59:08] County Board of Commissioners approved a
[1:59:10] grant award on June 16th, 2026. For this
[1:59:14] purchasing rece issued an RFP and
[1:59:17] received two responses. Of the two,
[1:59:19] Linker was the most responsive and
[1:59:21] responsible proposer that met all
[1:59:23] requirements. Staff recommends approval
[1:59:26] to award the contract to Linker.
[1:59:30] » Entertain a motion.
[1:59:34] » I'll make a motion to approve.
[1:59:37] » I'll second.
[1:59:42] Did we have a second?
[1:59:43] » Yeah.
[1:59:44] » Have a motion and a second. Discussion.
[1:59:45] Second.
[1:59:46] » Uh, you said we've already approved the
[1:59:48] the acceptance of the grant. How much
[1:59:49] was the grant for?
[1:59:51] » I know it was over about 80,000.
[1:59:54] » So, it's more than the 79,000.
[1:59:56] » Correct.
[1:59:56] » Cool. Thank you.
[1:59:57] » You're welcome. This is within budget,
[2:00:00] so we won't have any funds.
[2:00:02] » Thank you, Mom.
[2:00:02] » You're welcome.
[2:00:03] » A motion in a second. All in favor?
[2:00:07] » Thank you.
[2:00:09] Moving on to item number 10 is the lease
[2:00:11] agreement for the uh Department of
[2:00:13] Juvenile Justice. This is just a
[2:00:15] standard thing we do. Um not much
[2:00:18] explanation necessary. Uh I make a
[2:00:21] motion we approve the lease agreement
[2:00:22] with the Department of Juvenile Justice.
[2:00:25] » Second.
[2:00:26] » Have a motion and a second. Any
[2:00:28] discussion?
[2:00:31] All in favor?
[2:00:33] » Motion carries.
[2:00:36] Moving
[2:00:38] on to [laughter]
[2:00:39] [gasps] the calendar.
[2:00:41] » There's no changes at this time. Uh,
[2:00:44] » County administrator's not here.
[2:00:45] Shannon, do you have any comment?
[2:00:47] » I do. Uh, good afternoon. This is just a
[2:00:50] reminder that um, county administrator
[2:00:52] Yakabachi is away at his CPM um,
[2:00:56] certification courses, so he's not here.
[2:00:58] But we do want to remind you about our
[2:01:00] last town hall, which is next week on
[2:01:02] Thursday, September the 10th. It'll be
[2:01:05] held in Kingsland at 135 Grove
[2:01:08] Boulevard. Um, I mean, I'm sorry, Gross
[2:01:11] Road. I don't know where Grove came
[2:01:13] from. [laughter]
[2:01:14] Sorry. Gross Road uh at 6 PM. It's at
[2:01:18] the Resiliency Center and we would love
[2:01:20] to have as many of you come uh as you
[2:01:23] can. So, that's all I have.
[2:01:25] » Thank you, ma'am. [snorts]
[2:01:27] Okay. Move on to the additional public
[2:01:29] comments section. This is the comments
[2:01:31] from anything. Yes, I do have two people
[2:01:34] registered.
[2:01:35] » I'm sorry.
[2:01:35] » I have two registered.
[2:01:36] » Okay. [snorts]
[2:01:38] » Um the first is Miss Shirley Cessums.
[2:01:52] Shirley Cesum, St. Mary's, Georgia. This
[2:01:55] is Mike Wilson. We are the board. Mike
[2:01:58] Wilson and I, all the board members for
[2:02:01] Swabber is not here tonight. We've been
[2:02:03] going through quite a bit of death and
[2:02:06] hitting our families here in the last
[2:02:08] few days. Um, but we are here in
[2:02:13] reference to requirement that we had to
[2:02:16] meet in order to fall under the county
[2:02:20] far as recreation is concerned. We met
[2:02:24] with um attorney Ftonier on March the
[2:02:27] 29th of this year and she gave she was
[2:02:31] recommending there were certain things
[2:02:32] that we had to meet in order for you all
[2:02:35] to really to even consider and one of
[2:02:38] the main things that we had to do is get
[2:02:40] a lease um agreement. um there was no
[2:02:44] lease that she had anything to use um to
[2:02:48] even consider
[2:02:50] uh us coming up underneath this the um
[2:02:53] the county for recreation. And I redid I
[2:02:58] left the lease.
[2:03:01] I brought the um the deeds to for her to
[2:03:05] go over and so you all can consider
[2:03:09] um having the Sweetwater Branch
[2:03:11] Recreational Park fall under the county.
[2:03:16] As you know, we had already did
[2:03:19] presentations to you all before and we
[2:03:22] didn't feel like that, you know, you
[2:03:23] didn't want to go through all of that
[2:03:24] again. And here's the deeds that we had
[2:03:27] to thank you deeds that we had to get
[2:03:30] straightened out for the ownership of
[2:03:32] the park.
[2:03:34] And um we are asking you all to
[2:03:39] consider and vote on this for
[2:03:43] the next meeting. Maybe we know it's not
[2:03:45] going to happen today, but this is such
[2:03:47] a uh important part uh for the
[2:03:51] Sweetwater Branch part. Currently we
[2:03:54] have we are paying for the lights there.
[2:03:57] We pay for the and the water and we have
[2:04:00] had so many requirement for that park
[2:04:05] and I can't believe that you I didn't
[2:04:08] even know on the PSA that that park was
[2:04:11] utilized as much as it it is being
[2:04:13] trying to be utilized now. In the last
[2:04:16] month, I've had about 12 people call
[2:04:20] trying to book that park and uh within
[2:04:23] this last month and it's every week,
[2:04:25] every weekend, every weekend, someone
[2:04:27] want to book that park. So, please
[2:04:29] consider this. This is um be beneficial
[2:04:33] for everybody in the county. As you all
[2:04:35] know, Sweetwater Branch is like a
[2:04:36] historical park. It was given back to us
[2:04:39] back in um to the blacks back in 1959.
[2:04:43] and the board members back in then we
[2:04:45] believe was all ladies. But um as time
[2:04:48] has passed by that park has been a a
[2:04:52] very very important part to many of you
[2:04:56] all in the county. Many some of you all
[2:04:58] pay play ball out there, football and
[2:05:01] baseball. So, um please consider
[2:05:06] taking this park
[2:05:09] um and we will create a lease with you
[2:05:13] all after then and uh
[2:05:18] the booking and how everything is going
[2:05:20] to be handled. So, please consider um
[2:05:23] bringing Sweetwater Branch underneath
[2:05:25] the county recreational parks. Okay. You
[2:05:29] have anything you want to say, Mike?
[2:05:31] That's it. Thank you.
[2:05:33] Thank you,
[2:05:34] » Mr. Alan Geese. Gis, I apologize if I
[2:05:37] mispronounced your name.
[2:05:39] » You're the first one ever.
[2:05:42] » So, so it's unusual because I'm not here
[2:05:45] to yell at anybody or to uh challenge
[2:05:48] you or anything, but I'm here for
[2:05:51] citizens and for for the staff and of
[2:05:55] course you commissioners. My name's Alan
[2:05:57] Gezy, but the purpose that I'm here for
[2:06:01] is for the uh Earthkeepers Alliance. You
[2:06:07] might have heard of them. They're a
[2:06:09] small nonprofit group and that we want
[2:06:12] to protect this little slice of
[2:06:14] paradise. And one of the ways to do that
[2:06:17] is reducing what actually goes into our
[2:06:22] landfill. So, so a few years ago, we
[2:06:26] created this little booklet and uh and
[2:06:30] it's how to do recycling and proper
[2:06:33] disposal in Camden County, just Camden
[2:06:37] County. But it highlighted the fact that
[2:06:40] we have a lot of items
[2:06:43] that there's no place to properly
[2:06:46] dispose of them here in the county.
[2:06:50] So, our small group has also sponsored
[2:06:54] tours. Uh, some of your staff have went
[2:06:57] to the recycling center down in
[2:07:00] Jacksonville Republic Services. Anything
[2:07:03] that's recycled in the county from a
[2:07:05] curbside actually goes to the recycling
[2:07:08] center in in uh Jacksonville. Uh we also
[2:07:14] uh sponsor uh a collection of
[2:07:17] electronics so that we have a semianual
[2:07:20] collection of uh electronics. We call
[2:07:23] that escrap where we collect those
[2:07:26] things so they don't go in the landfill.
[2:07:30] So I want to ask you today I'm speaking
[2:07:33] about hazardous waste collection.
[2:07:37] What do you do? What do each of you do
[2:07:41] with your household batteries? Your
[2:07:43] little A and double A and what do you do
[2:07:46] with them? What do you do with your
[2:07:49] lithium batteries, the little watch ones
[2:07:51] or the batteries from your power tools?
[2:07:55] What do you do with wet paint? Propane
[2:07:58] tanks, the little ones that you get. Uh
[2:08:01] what do you do with your aerosol cans?
[2:08:03] You spray the bugs.
[2:08:05] Do you throw that in your trash?
[2:08:09] probably if you're like every other
[2:08:12] citizen in the county,
[2:08:14] old style TVs, there's no place to
[2:08:17] dispose of any of that in the county.
[2:08:20] I've worked with Mr. Pitman. Uh he knows
[2:08:23] about this issue. I'm here speaking
[2:08:26] about that. So,
[2:08:29] but pushing this off to a future
[2:08:31] generation
[2:08:33] isn't a great idea,
[2:08:35] but there's another cost. cost that
[2:08:38] maybe you're not aware of. State and
[2:08:41] federal law
[2:08:43] says that we can't put that in our
[2:08:45] landfill.
[2:08:47] So, we may be subject to fines or or
[2:08:51] worse sanctions on our landfill. So, if
[2:08:55] we don't do anything about this, we just
[2:08:57] let it go.
[2:09:00] Uh that's a problem. There's a secondary
[2:09:03] cost. All this stuff going into the
[2:09:06] landfill that shouldn't means the volume
[2:09:08] going into that landfill is more than
[2:09:12] necessary. So, this is extending a
[2:09:15] shortening the life of your landfill. I
[2:09:18] don't need to tell you how much a
[2:09:19] landfill is going to cost us 30 years
[2:09:22] down the road, but the difference
[2:09:24] between 30 years and 35 years is
[2:09:28] significant in a rural county like
[2:09:30] Camden. It's going to be a big
[2:09:33] difference. So what I'm asking you to do
[2:09:37] and what I'm saying I and our group and
[2:09:40] some of our members are here is to
[2:09:43] consider putting in a collection point
[2:09:47] for these. There are several contractors
[2:09:50] that collect different types of things.
[2:09:53] Mr. Pitman is working on a grant to get
[2:09:58] that started. But I say to you, I know
[2:10:01] that we just went through that budget
[2:10:03] period. So this is for you to be
[2:10:05] thinking about and discussing before the
[2:10:07] next budget hearing to say what are we
[2:10:11] doing in the future to create this and
[2:10:15] sustain it. Uh
[2:10:19] subject to your questions,
[2:10:22] I don't have anything else.
[2:10:27] » Thanks for the input.
[2:10:28] » Okay. Anybody
[2:10:32] else?
[2:10:34] Nobody else. Uh, down to uh,
[2:10:38] commissioner comments. Anybody have any
[2:10:40] comments?
[2:10:45] » All I wanted to say is I'm freezing to
[2:10:47] death. [laughter]
[2:10:48] » Well, then I'll make this real quick.
[2:10:49] » I'll second that motion.
[2:10:51] » I'll make this real quick. I just wanted
[2:10:53] to recognize uh, Miss Claire who works
[2:10:55] with us here. Uh she gave the
[2:10:57] presentation today for the proclamation
[2:10:59] um recognizing September as suicide
[2:11:01] prevention month. Uh she represents the
[2:11:04] county on the Camden Family Connection.
[2:11:10] » Family connection Camden organization
[2:11:12] which um kind of brings all those
[2:11:13] nonprofit and social services
[2:11:15] organizations together. One of those
[2:11:16] being the suicide prevention
[2:11:18] organization. I just don't think you get
[2:11:20] enough credit for what you do in that
[2:11:21] space. So thank you Claire.
[2:11:28] Nothing else.
[2:11:30] Okay. Entertain a motion to adjourn the
[2:11:31] regular meeting and convene the
[2:11:33] executive session to discuss real estate
[2:11:35] personnel and potential litigation.
[2:11:37] » So moved. Second.
[2:11:39] » All in favor? probably.
[2:41:29] to adjourn the executive session and
[2:41:31] reconvene the regular meeting.
[2:41:33] » Make a motion to adjourn the executive
[2:41:35] session and reconvene the regular
[2:41:36] meeting. Mr. Chairman,
[2:41:38] » Second.
[2:41:39] » Got a motion second. All in favor?
[2:41:41] Motion carries. Okay. We have two action
[2:41:44] items relative to the executive session.
[2:41:47] And item number one is
[2:41:49] » Uh Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the
[2:41:51] resolution and contract for
[2:41:53] representation and fee agreement
[2:41:55] regarding fire apparatus antitrust
[2:41:57] litigation.
[2:41:59] » I'll second.
[2:42:01] We have a motion and a second. All in
[2:42:04] favor? Motion carries. Action item
[2:42:07] number two is the uh I make a motion for
[2:42:09] the approval of professional services
[2:42:11] agreement for the retaining of legal
[2:42:13] services for the county attorney.
[2:42:17] Second.
[2:42:19] » We have a motion in a second. All in
[2:42:21] favor?
[2:42:23] Motion carries.
[2:42:27] » Uh I'm going to abstain.
[2:42:28] » We have uh three and Cody abstained.
[2:42:32] Okay.
[2:42:35] All righty.
[2:42:37] Seeing nothing else. Motion to adjurnn.
[2:42:40] » So moved. Second.
[2:42:42] » All in favor.
[2:42:44] Thank y'all.