1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,280 He's going to I'll text him when it's time. 2 00:00:08,559 --> 00:00:13,320 » Okay. Wonderful. >> Super. Thank you very much, Jody. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,040 » Yeah, we're ready. 4 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:27,000 » We have a feedback issue. 5 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:39,239 That might help. Is that better? All right. Great. 6 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:48,559 » Welcome to the Town of Camden Select Board meeting. Our meeting will come to 7 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:55,360 order for August 25th, 2026. We are also uh broadcast at our YouTube channel 8 00:00:51,440 --> 00:01:00,399 that's noted in the agenda and packet as well as 9 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:07,520 people can participate via Zoom and later in the meeting we'll have Bill 10 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:14,159 join us as we discuss um the action item. [clears throat] 11 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:20,040 First item, do we have any public comment on 12 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,040 non-aggenda items? 13 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:28,759 If you would please step to the podium and remember to state who you are and 14 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:28,759 where you live. 15 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:39,600 » Wendy Andreason, 14 Cove, >> it is loud tonight. Yes, 16 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:46,079 » 14 Cove Road. Um, I'd like to see the town remove the 17 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:51,520 discordant bridge to nowhere down at the landing and reimburse the Montgomery 18 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:57,040 family for the money that was misused from their gift under false pretenses. 19 00:01:55,119 --> 00:02:05,040 Clearly, it is not being used for maintenance of the non-existent island. 20 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:11,120 Um, and furthermore, I don't see why we can't close the SLE gate if the work's 21 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:15,760 not being done on the island anyway. And if the the um dam is going to come down, 22 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:22,319 it'd be nice if we could have the waterfall for at least uh the rest of 23 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:28,440 the time until that happens. That's it. Thank you. 24 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,440 » Thank you, Wendy. 25 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:34,879 Right. >> We only had 26 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:40,239 » Yeah. >> Ray and Dayson, same address. And a 27 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:45,680 couple of things I wanted to find out at the meeting that was in the library 28 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:50,400 about the Montgomery Dam and uh Seaw Walt project. Um didn't have a chance to 29 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,239 ask anybody. There was really nobody there who I think could have answered 30 00:02:52,000 --> 00:03:00,000 these. But maybe the select board can look into this. Um I do not know and I 31 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:04,159 don't think other members do if the mercer 32 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:09,519 citizens advisory committee has been disbanded or whatever the select board 33 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:14,000 is the one that created that committee and is the one that if it's not going to 34 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:19,920 function anymore you should disband it or if it's going to be a role in the 35 00:03:15,519 --> 00:03:25,040 future let us know. Um, and this is something I brought up previously at a 36 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:31,599 select board meeting is how is this select board going to make sure that 37 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:37,360 there are no property tax revenues used on the project of destroying Montgomery 38 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:45,040 Dam. Um, that's what the citizens voted for and that somehow there has to be 39 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:49,599 some kind of analysis, maybe a report. And the third thing is what happens and 40 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:55,200 I think a lot of people have been asking this. What happens if the other grant or 41 00:03:52,799 --> 00:04:00,159 grants for the rest of the river project never come through? 42 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,840 If the town doesn't receive any money to do the rest of the project or we just 43 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:10,480 saying, "Oh, we just destroy Montgomery Dam and that's it." So be nice to have 44 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,280 some kind of a discussion of that at a select board meeting sometime when there 45 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:17,959 are facts known. >> Okay. 46 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:17,959 » Thank you. Thank you, Ray. 47 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:26,560 » Are there any other comments? I don't see any online 48 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:32,639 and the room is fairly empty tonight. So, 49 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:39,000 moving on then to the next item, the approval of board minutes from our 50 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,000 August 4th meeting. 51 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:48,040 » To approve. Move to approve. Second. 52 00:04:48,479 --> 00:04:55,000 » Any discussion? Ken. 53 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,000 » Thank you. 54 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:04,520 » Um all those in favor of the minutes. 55 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:04,520 Any opposed? 56 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Seeing none, that goes forward for zero. 57 00:05:13,919 --> 00:05:19,639 I'm getting a message that the YouTube sound isn't working. 58 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:35,639 How can we validate that when it is working? any 59 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,639 » um 60 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,800 » yeah I'm hearing that there's no sound on YouTube and no 61 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:58,440 » and I'm not getting any power to my if you are put that into yours. 62 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,440 » Yep. 63 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:13,360 No, you know what? I'm not either. >> Oh, are we not plugged in? 64 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:18,800 » Well, this just looking at we don't have power to our um 65 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:22,479 workstations up here. I don't know how that would make any difference with the 66 00:06:20,479 --> 00:06:28,360 audio connections, though. >> No, I wouldn't imagine so. And I'm also 67 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,360 getting the same messages. 68 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,800 I guess we'll pause while we go ahead and see if we can troubleshoot that 69 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,800 quickly. >> Is there a master plug that you know of 70 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:44,440 Jody for the use? >> And then I think somebody's saying I can 71 00:06:40,479 --> 00:06:44,440 hear on Zoom just fine. 72 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:59,599 » That happened before. Remember I told you I had a friend 73 00:06:55,440 --> 00:07:02,560 » that was youtubing it and couldn't. >> Yep. 74 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:06,560 » I just told my people to try Zoom. >> Um, is there a way that you can put a 75 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:13,280 message on the YouTube thing to go use the uh Zoom or something to that effect 76 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:18,160 » in the messages or something? >> Okay. you don't have anything that you 77 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:24,919 can do >> but they can they can upload that Zoom 78 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,919 recording later, 79 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,440 » right? 80 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:36,080 » So that updates automatically afterwards or something you you were saying as far 81 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:40,720 as what what can you put to YouTube so that there is audio? 82 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:47,280 » J upload the Zoom recording. >> Okay. So the Zoom recording will be 83 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:51,479 uploaded to YouTube at the probably tomorrow. Okay. 84 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:58,360 » Okay. Is that's the best we can do. 85 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:08,000 » Great. Let him know. >> Let him know we have no power up here as 86 00:08:07,039 --> 00:08:12,800 well. So >> I got one saying Zoom's not working as 87 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,800 well. 88 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Okay. 89 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:32,479 Well, it looks like we should go forward though. 90 00:08:30,879 --> 00:08:42,800 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh the consent agenda. Um, there are 91 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:49,000 six items on the consent agenda. Are there any issues with any of those 92 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,000 items that are listed here? 93 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,800 » I see none. 94 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:03,680 » We have a motion for their approval. >> To make a motion to approve. 95 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,600 Actually, >> do we have to Yeah, we don't have to do 96 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:13,519 it. It passes. >> Very good. Seeing no issues, we move on. 97 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:17,519 » Um, public hearing for liquor license for the new, you know, since the new 98 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:23,920 owners are required for the first five years and this is for Lucky Betty's at 99 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:29,519 56 Elm Street for renewal of on premise beer and wine license. Um, is there 100 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:36,480 anyone here? Do you represent Lucky Betty's? Seeing none. Are there any 101 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:40,880 issues that we see with the with the license? 102 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:46,240 » No. >> Move to approve the application of Lucky 103 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:48,880 Betty's for a victual lodging license. Victor's license. 104 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:54,279 » Yeah, I'll second that. >> Great. All those in favor of approval? 105 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:05,519 Any opposed? Seeing none that is approved for zero. 106 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:13,440 The last item is on the agenda before adjournment is 107 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:19,519 to act on an advisory only non-binding referendum question to address metered 108 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:26,240 parking for the town meeting warrant for Tuesday, November 3rd, 2026. We also 109 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:29,200 have a CIF signage approval in our packet 110 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,720 » that's we're going to sign at the end at the end there. 111 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:37,360 » I don't see that on the agenda that's posted online. 112 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:42,600 » Oh, it's in the sequence of >> it's in your packet for us to sign off 113 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:42,600 on it. I think 114 00:10:44,079 --> 00:10:52,079 » scroll down through on page 10 of the packet 115 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:57,120 » is the application from Seth. Okay. So, that was an item that was not included 116 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,399 on our >> It's in the consent agenda B3B. 117 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,560 » Very good. >> Oh, okay. 118 00:11:02,959 --> 00:11:08,320 » Yeah. And then we'll just need your I think your signatures on one of those. 119 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:13,399 » Okay. It was just out of play out of order. 120 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:13,399 » Okay. 121 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:20,560 » Okay. I'm just waiting for Bill to 122 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,519 » Okay. >> He should be dialing in. 123 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:29,560 » Oh, I see. The way this is put together just confused me. Sorry. 124 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:48,079 So, what we're waiting for is for Bill Kelly to join us concerning the action 125 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:51,680 item item number five uh concerning the non-binding 126 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:59,040 referendum. the um you know discussion about 127 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:06,320 the petition that was put forth that'll be in a subsequent meeting uh not this 128 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:14,320 particular one. Um so some context for us while we're waiting for Bill um the 129 00:12:11,519 --> 00:12:20,399 three questions that are posed here as part of our packet that was something 130 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:24,800 that I worked on with Bill on Wednesday. Mhm. 131 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:30,880 » Uh and I asked Bill to provide three questions. Um this is intended to be 132 00:12:28,079 --> 00:12:37,680 very similar to the vote that we did with the police chief vote for the town. 133 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:44,959 And this was Bill and I's attempt to try to 134 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:52,480 have questions that are um easily understood, you know, not containing a a 135 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:58,600 double negative um in the the questions. So it would confuse people, but this 136 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:58,600 would be 137 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:07,760 something that would could be on the ballot without question as far as its 138 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:13,279 legal authority on a non-binding referendum. So we get the fi, you know, 139 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:19,279 the sense from the public on on what they want. And I had proposed putting it 140 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:25,279 three ways. Mhm. >> one the So, I'm I'm I'm using my words 141 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:32,560 because that might give context to the intent and then we can work on it if we 142 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:37,200 agree with the intent. Um the intent was do we want parking, paid parking or or 143 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:45,120 he uses the word metered parking because I think that's how the statute reads 144 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:48,240 metered parking on the streets. Do we want to keep it? That's one 145 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,639 question. Another question is do we want to have 146 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:59,519 it at the public landing because there have been not as much negativity about 147 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:05,279 about that and there is availability of some revenue from that. 148 00:14:01,839 --> 00:14:12,240 » And the third item is so what about the other lots? This is more consistent with 149 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:17,199 the way that Rockland is doing this where it is good to make sure that 150 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:27,040 people have an opportunity to do long-term parking. Um, do we want to 151 00:14:21,839 --> 00:14:31,279 have metered parking in the long-term parking areas? Um, that's the intent of 152 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:36,240 the questions. >> Yeah. Now 153 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:41,440 again, this was, you know, Bill, Bill and I put this together, working 154 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:45,360 together. Um, but if it's confusing, that's what we 155 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:51,920 don't want to do. We don't, you know, we want to do the intent of this is to find 156 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:56,800 out the public's Camden residents how they really feel about the paid parking. 157 00:14:55,199 --> 00:15:01,519 Let's give them let's give them that chance 158 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,639 to express their opinion and where would they 159 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,639 » right >> want it or not want it. 160 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:14,160 » Yeah. The my only question to Bill is um because I read his Hi Bill. 161 00:15:11,199 --> 00:15:21,279 » Hello. Thank you for joining us. I read I read your opinion initially when the 162 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:26,800 signatures were presented and took from that that we would we 163 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:31,279 would still be running a foul of statute. 164 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:35,920 And so my only question is 165 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:41,199 we're doing this strictly on an advisory basis and then it would still come back 166 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:46,480 to the board to make the decision about where and if 167 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:53,279 metered parking existed in town that it would not be a 168 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:57,920 vote by the public. we wouldn't be able to amend the charter to reflect that 169 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:02,160 because it would still be inconsistent with main law. Am I understanding that 170 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:08,959 correctly? >> Right. So I think two questions there. 171 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:14,480 uh the referendum that was presented um sought to amend the charter which is 172 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:21,120 not permitted uh in this situation because the statute that controls 173 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:24,880 exclusively rests um legislative authority with the select board 174 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:29,199 regarding muted parking. So you can't modify you can't create an ordinance 175 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:34,720 about that's contrary to the select board's authority and you cannot amend 176 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:42,320 the charter. Um both of those things are allowed for towns to adopt by uh grace 177 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:47,360 of the state as the sovereign. And since the state has made it clear the select 178 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:55,519 boards the legislative body, there's no legal way um to change the charter uh to 179 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:59,120 say that the um metered parking issue is going to be controlled by the town 180 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:03,120 meeting legislative vote of the people. It might sound a little contrary to what 181 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:10,319 you think democracy is, but because it's about safety and regulation of rights of 182 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:15,439 way. Um, these and parking uh these categories are something that our 183 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:20,079 legislature some a long time ago decided should not be uh held to political 184 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:25,120 forces one year or the next, but should be vested in the elected officials as 185 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:28,319 those accountable for safety. Um, and that's maybe a longer answer to your 186 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:31,880 question than you were looking for, but that's the thought process. 187 00:17:31,919 --> 00:17:39,120 » Okay, great. That's that's what I wanted to hear. Thank you. 188 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:46,400 » So, I I would like to make it explicit. Um, Chris, um, we have received 189 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:53,280 the registar certification that there is an 190 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:58,000 adequate number of signatures. So the petition has been certified. The 191 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:03,440 petition is not in our packet and it's not on the agenda. But that is what 192 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:09,919 we're talking about. That is we have 666 valid signatures on the petition. 193 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:14,559 And the petition um to those of you who are listening, the petition says, "Shall 194 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:21,360 the town of Camden Charter be amended to add the following section 2.18 195 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:27,520 notwithstanding 30 AMRS section 3009. Any ordinance or policy said policy 196 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:31,840 setting or increasing fees to park on town of Camden Public Ways shall be null 197 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:36,799 and void unless enacted by voters at a referendum election. That is what's 198 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:39,039 under discussion here. I just wanted to make it clear that that's where we're 199 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,360 that's where we're at. >> That that's what you're talking about, 200 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,640 but that is not on the agenda tonight. Actually, 201 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:51,520 » the petition is not >> the petition is not on the agenda 202 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:58,720 tonight. The first thing is to get this onto the ballot. We have another meeting 203 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:03,280 which we can do on September 8 to spend more time to go through. That's what I 204 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:08,000 want to make explicit that yes, it will be because the people who brought us 205 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:12,880 that petition deserve to have it addressed by the select board. 206 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:18,240 » That That's right. Um but given we weren't even going to have this meeting 207 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:27,120 initially um that this was kind of an extra one. It wasn't really and we've 208 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:32,240 got the time where we can we have to um have the warrant the official warrant is 209 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:39,679 September 8th which is next next Tuesday or the next Tuesday meeting that I'd 210 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:44,640 rather do one thing at a time. Let's get make sure we get this nailed down on the 211 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:51,520 agenda and then in the September 8th meeting to uh be able to put that as 212 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:55,600 part of the packet for the September 8th meeting as an action item. 213 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,320 » Thank you. I needed to make that explicit. 214 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:06,000 » Sure. I I still don't understand why we would be I understand that the 215 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:12,400 signatures were collected and that we've got enough signatures, 216 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:17,760 but what that petition outlined is something that we have been advised runs 217 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:23,760 counter to the charter and to main law. So, I certainly won't be voting in favor 218 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:30,320 of that petition because we've gotten legal advice that it it's not legal. 219 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:33,840 It's not the procedure. And if you if that's the way you want the procedure to 220 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:39,440 go, lobby the legislature and change the 221 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:44,080 law. But as far as I understand it, this is as far as we can go. And you know, it 222 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:50,400 appears that we are having this discussion. So, um, you know, I I 223 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:53,600 » Right. The petition was legally presented to the town. 224 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,280 » The petition petitioners can come up with anything. 225 00:20:54,799 --> 00:21:00,080 » That's right. >> And have signatures certified. That 226 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:06,559 doesn't mean that we have to move it. >> It does. 227 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:11,919 » Not if it's a legislative item that is we're not following the statute. I would 228 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:18,400 rather I'd rather be able to get what we need and maybe if we need a different 229 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:24,559 legal opinion for example I'd rather be able to prepare and have that for 230 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:29,360 September 8 as compared to now. >> Um can I say something? I would like to 231 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:31,440 bring us back to this. Okay. >> Yes. 232 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,039 » Because um >> I meaning what we're supposed to be 233 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,799 talking about tonight, not the >> the non-branding. 234 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:44,000 » Yes. Um, question number three. I'm just really curious, and Jody, you might know 235 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:49,039 the answer to this, but do the um do the wind jammers use the parking lot out 236 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:52,480 behind the Knox mill for their like week-long 237 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,919 excursions and stuff or do they have somewhere else that people park? 238 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:00,000 » I can't answer that. Sorry. >> No, I'm just curious if that is a thing 239 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:03,600 like if they already like I'm only saying that because I don't think 240 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:07,120 question number three needs to really be on here and I think it's confusing. Some 241 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:10,640 people don't even know there are five parking lots. Do you know what I mean? 242 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:13,120 And I think if you're talking about off streets, people are going to wonder, 243 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,960 well, is Chestnut Street going to bill still be it? Or what are the off 244 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:21,520 streets? I think we just do personally questions one and two. Keep it simple. 245 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:26,320 And if we decide to go forward in the future, we do it in a way that's super 246 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:29,840 public about the um off- streetet parking, but we need to 247 00:22:27,919 --> 00:22:34,080 see who's using those parking lots. And honestly, I just thought about this 248 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:40,240 because I was reading some stuff. Um, I got an email today from one of the um 249 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:43,679 asking who they should talk to from one of the schooners about the new stuff and 250 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:47,120 they're saying they're not going to have enough space in there to park the 251 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,720 schooners. So anyway, my point was he was one of the those three schooners are 252 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:55,120 ones that go out overnight. So I'm just curious if they are using that. I would 253 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:59,840 think that they would be >> and commuting people over there because 254 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:03,520 » I know I have no idea. But I would like to find that out before we go saying 255 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,080 we're going to turn all those parking lots. And if they are, I think they 256 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,919 should be allotted a section where they could have those overnight people park 257 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:16,640 still. I think that there's too much question about question number three for 258 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:22,000 that to even be on this is my opinion. >> What What if we had a solution by just 259 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,720 removing the word hall to give usability? 260 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,280 » I don't know. I just think the parking lots like you say five parking lots, I 261 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:34,559 say two. You know what I mean? like it's I don't think that um I don't think 262 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:37,840 honestly I've had two people say what five parking lots 263 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:43,120 » people don't know what you're even talking about. Um so I just think 264 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:48,640 there's a lot of whatifs about that particular question. The first two I 265 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:53,679 really like and I I think they're clear and simple and you're going to know how 266 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:58,400 to answer it. Do you want them? Do you not? You know what I mean? It's a yes or 267 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:03,760 no. But number three, I think we need to find out more about 268 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:08,960 what that paid parking looks like. Is it gate like at at the um airport? Is it, 269 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:14,159 you know, we need to figure out what that looks like more before we 270 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,919 ask people to vote on it because we don't even know what that looks like. 271 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:21,760 » Yeah. >> And who's using those long-term spaces 272 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:25,679 or the 24-hour, you know, I mean, the all day spaces. Mhm. 273 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:29,200 » Um, if there's a section of Camden for town employee, not town, but downtown 274 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,640 Camden employees, they shouldn't have to pay to park in my opinion. So, if there 275 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:37,679 are a lot of those people using that, and I'm not against making that section 276 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:44,159 of that an all day paid parking by any means, but I think if we have schooners 277 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:46,880 that are using it and we have some town employees that are using it, that there 278 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,919 maybe should be some kind of permit parking in there for them as well. 279 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:54,480 » Just a thought. >> Okay. So I think Chris offered a 280 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:59,360 possible resolution to the question about what to do with with number three. 281 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:08,559 Um if we just get rid of the word all and say within other off streetet 282 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:14,000 parking that leaves it uh it enables to yes have them or not have paid 283 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:17,279 parking and and it puts it off until a committee a parking committee can can 284 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,679 look at all those questions that you have just asked rather than trying to 285 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:26,159 decide it tonight. We have uh we have not forced 286 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:32,400 we have not forced there to be metered parking in every lot but we have allowed 287 00:25:31,039 --> 00:25:35,039 » but when you're saying off- streetet parking what's the difference what's the 288 00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:38,000 difference between off streetet parking and parking lots thank you 289 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,080 » because when you said off streetet is chestnut street it's not a street that 290 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,240 is off of the downtown it's off streetet parking 291 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,440 » right like I'm just curious what the difference is off streetet and parking 292 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,480 lots are the same thing >> I was so you got confusing 293 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,039 » I was thinking Off street and parking lot is the same. 294 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:55,760 » Yeah. So I would that's needlessly confusing. 295 00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:59,679 » Oh, that's an extra extra words that are not necessary. 296 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:04,640 » So the the parking board Oh my god, my glasses are terrible. 297 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:08,880 » Metered parking within >> parking lots 298 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:13,840 » other Yeah. parking lots owned by the town. take out the all other off- 299 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:17,600 streetet parking within parking lots owned by the town 300 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:23,679 » and then that can be at the discretion, you know, and we can come up with a 301 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:29,039 scheme for a permit or a bar or a gate or whatever, but just define what those 302 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,520 are. >> Yeah. 303 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:38,080 » Yeah. Take out all other off street parking language, which is just as 304 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:42,880 extraneous. In my idea with getting the input from the town on this, you know, 305 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:48,240 like with the chief of police vote, it was pretty obvious 306 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:52,559 the difference. And, you know, if something ends up being kind of close, 307 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:57,279 well, then we at least know >> where we are on it 308 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,039 » and and gives people a chance to weigh in. 309 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,159 » Well, I definitely like number three better changed with taking the off 310 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,400 streetet parking out of it. >> Yep. That's that's that's that's good. 311 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:10,640 » Um >> Ben Ben would like to Yeah. 312 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,159 » And then one other I think has a raised hand. 313 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:20,080 » Um >> do we have the ability to 314 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:25,039 » But Ben, I know he sent us a message earlier today, too. 315 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:30,440 » Yeah. >> Ben, are you in a spot where you can 316 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,440 come off mute? 317 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:39,679 Hello. >> Hi. Yes. 318 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:45,440 » Right. I did I did send a message. I I I think that number three is very 319 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:52,640 confusing because there are three metered town lots and they don't seem to 320 00:27:49,520 --> 00:28:00,159 be covered in this referendum. Um I don't understand that. Um, I'm a 321 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:05,760 little surprised you're asking about metering 322 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:11,120 the free all day lots, but that would be a fourth question. It 323 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:17,039 seems to me you got three types of metered parking. Um, and [clears throat] 324 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:21,919 I think it makes sense to ask people about all three because some people like 325 00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:28,399 the public landing, um, don't like the street parking, but 326 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:32,159 there are metered lots at Nolton Street, um, Mechanic [clears throat] 327 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Street, and at the public safety building. So, they're they're not in 328 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,919 this referendum >> on Nolton Street. 329 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:43,440 » Those are those are those are private lots, though. Those aren't town the 330 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,440 Nolton the Mechanic Street lot is not a town owned lot, 331 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,640 » right? Yeah. And Nolton Street I mean you can access the Knox Mill parking lot 332 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,360 from Nolton Street. So I don't know if that's what you're referring to. 333 00:28:52,640 --> 00:29:00,000 » I I mean the at the corner of Mechanic next to the old five and that's town. 334 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:04,080 » Oh that's Mechanic Street. >> Mechanic Street now. 335 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:08,720 » Yes. It's identified in the >> parking Camden parking management plan 336 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:15,840 as Mechanic Street and the Nolton Street one is the one across from um the town 337 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:18,480 the opera house. That's meter, right? >> No. 338 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,240 » That's private. >> He's this one over here. He's talking 339 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:25,200 about >> Oh, this Washington Street is where the 340 00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:27,919 middle school is. H >> Okay. I mean Washington Street. 341 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:30,640 » Washington Street lot. >> Yeah, 342 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,159 » that is a town owned property. That one is over there. 343 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,720 » Yeah. Right. >> But right now all the meters are 344 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:39,200 covered. So that's what this kind of covers. 345 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:45,440 » Well, you have suspended >> the enacted voted on parking management 346 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,360 plan of Camden and because you wanted a vote on that 347 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640 plan, >> right? 348 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:59,919 » So you got to include all the parts of that metered plan which are those three 349 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:05,520 lots. And if you want to add uh the Nolton Street big lot behind the 350 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:09,679 Knox Mill and that would be a fourth question in my view. 351 00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:15,039 Um I also think it's you know it's much 352 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:20,880 simpler for voters the way you've worded it now is 353 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:28,720 question [clears throat] one uh yes means no on parking. Question 354 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:34,559 two, yes means yes on parking. Why not just 355 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:40,520 change the wording to so yes means yes on parking. No means no on meter 356 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:40,520 parking. Why not? 357 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,440 » I think they're clear. 358 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:50,880 » Okay. Thank Thank you, Ben. We'll >> Okay. 359 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:54,720 » Consider those points. Um Jeremy, you had your hand up for a moment. Was that 360 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:59,200 » Yeah. I just wanted to clarify the five lots what they are. Um if that would be 361 00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:03,039 helpful. I think Ben got to them a little bit, but there's the public 362 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,559 safety lot, the public landing, mechanic street which is at the next to the old 363 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,600 five and dime, the Washington street lot which I think you just pointed to and 364 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,000 then Knox Mill. That's the five those are the five lots. And then as far as 365 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:20,559 the schooners, I can answer that question. Um, so the schooners used to 366 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:26,000 park in the one end kind of on the Washington Street side um when that was 367 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,399 privately owned. When the town took ownership of that um they weren't 368 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:34,880 allowed exclusive use of that anymore and they worked out other arrangements 369 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:39,519 um because it was becoming a public public parking lot. It wasn't going to 370 00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:42,880 be used by um you know there are other so they figured out other arrangements 371 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,360 is is what's happened. I just wanted to clarify that for you Bobby. 372 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,240 » Good. Thank you. >> Yeah. 373 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,799 » And I have I have one more question for you, Jeremy. Um, does the library 374 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:58,159 parking lot I mean I know it's the libraryowned parking lot, but that is 375 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,159 metered, right? >> The cover meter's covered. I know, but 376 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:07,039 it was metered. Yes. Okay. >> Right. That was included in in in the um 377 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,799 the library was part of the parking committee. Um, so they took part in 378 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:14,000 that, but that was not included in what we've called the five parking lot or 379 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,440 what I think Chris and Bill have called the five parking lots or what envision 380 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,960 to be the five parking lots. >> Okay, cool. 381 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,640 » That makes sense. >> Yeah, thank you. 382 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:28,240 » Yeah. Would it be better to have clarity then 383 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:31,840 on the parking lots that we mean or is it 384 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:39,039 » No, I think that it's more confusing >> to have clarity on on which parking lots 385 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:39,039 we're talking about now. 386 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:48,880 This was really done with the intent to try to get the public sense on these, 387 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:54,240 but if we're presenting a question that really doesn't help with that process 388 00:32:51,919 --> 00:32:56,960 and we just stick with one and two, >> that's what 389 00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:03,679 » Well, I just I just still do not understand how we're going to reconcile 390 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:09,600 the petition with this because of where the petition 391 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:14,720 will wind us up 392 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:21,919 in terms of what is legally allowed as a result of that vote. So to me, 393 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:27,360 this is the way that we 394 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:31,120 get the sense of the community. Quite honestly, I think we got the sense of 395 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,679 the community. You know, I I don't think there's any 396 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:41,440 mystery around how people feel. The fact that we've got all those signatures is a 397 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:48,600 pretty resounding referendum in and of itself of how people feel about paid 398 00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,600 parking and 399 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:59,200 what they what what the people who signed that petition were asking for 400 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:03,919 something specific. So this is not what they were asking 401 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:08,480 for. Mhm. And 402 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:17,200 I mean I think you're it's the notion that we 403 00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:24,280 can't trust the legal opinion from our council 404 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,280 around what that document 405 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:34,639 » would the situation that would result from that referendum 406 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:38,560 is ludicrous. to me. I mean, it's like, why are we even doing this if we're not 407 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:46,240 going to believe what our legal counsel, who's been doing 408 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:53,839 this for decades, is advising us around the result of that. If we get a the 409 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:59,280 expected outcome from putting that petition on the warrant, 410 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:03,119 then what do we do? And we're in a bind. 411 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:07,440 And that's one of the reasons why I did not go there tonight with that 412 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,000 particular petition. um instead >> going there 413 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:15,599 » I'm going there with this particular referendum item and then to work through 414 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:20,079 the details with the petition in another another meeting that at a minimum we can 415 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,160 » but you're scruting the fact of the details of the petition are neither here 416 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:30,560 nor there because it is what it's been certified with that language with those 417 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:36,800 signatures that is a document in and of itself that you know we wouldn't mess 418 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:42,000 with that but then you know you're creating a scenario where we cannot act 419 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:46,400 on that because it is against the law. End of story, right? And I'm not 420 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,000 disagreeing with you at all, Susan. I agree. I think it is against the law 421 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,079 with the whole safety thing. I just think what people are so upset about in 422 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,920 town, and I know everybody says there were parking things, but those of us 423 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,960 that are working 40 hours a week can't go to a 10 a.m. parking meeting. You 424 00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:04,560 know what I mean? Like, I didn't even know they were happening or whatever 425 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:09,440 when this was all going on. like my eyes opened up just a few years ago. So, I 426 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:13,920 know everybody's saying that that was going on for a long time and that these 427 00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:16,320 were the recommendations and stuff, but seriously, I found out about it when I 428 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,560 rode through town. I was like, "What's the green and blue all about?" Like, I 429 00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:24,960 had no idea what was going on. So, I don't think that we're out to do 430 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,160 anything illegal because I agree that that petition, there are some legality 431 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:36,000 things in it that are going to be against state statute. But I'm hoping 432 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:41,280 that the advisory questions are going to be enough for folks 433 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:45,920 to this is one of those hot button hot button items. But I think 434 00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:50,720 » I right I I'm not disagreeing with you about that. But I do agree that we have 435 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,800 to give it its day in front of us for the folks that signed it. You know what 436 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,400 I mean? Like we just have to we have to let them come and speak on it. We have 437 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,079 we have to. But I'm agreeing with you that it's 438 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:06,079 state statute that we can't change those things. And I'm not disagreeing with 439 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:12,320 that at all. But I just think it's still such a hot button issue in town that um 440 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:16,160 I totally agree with just getting rid of question number three for right now. I 441 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:21,200 think it's just confusing personally. But um questions one and two are very 442 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,680 straightforward. Do you want it? Do you not want it? So, are people going to be 443 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:32,560 satisfied that we have addressed their concerns with this advisory vote? 444 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,520 » Yes. I think I personally think that they will. 445 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:41,200 » This has been the message all along is >> that it should be put out to the voters. 446 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:45,920 » I feel like that this is going to >> it's going to give everybody a voice 447 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,920 when they check those boxes. >> I think so, too, Jody. Totally. 448 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,720 » Yep. I think it's going to give the people 449 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,119 exactly what they what they would have liked to have had before the machines 450 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,240 got ordered. >> Yeah, 451 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,599 » honestly. >> Yep. 452 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:06,480 » Um, is there a way that we could 453 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:10,880 change the questions so that it's yes and yes and no and no if you really 454 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,880 don't want it without making a double negative in here. 455 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:21,680 » Can board should remove metered parking requirements from streets in town. 456 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,480 I think it's so black and white. I mean, honestly, 457 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,640 » yes means remove them. No means keep them, 458 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,680 » right? >> Maintain metered parking within the town 459 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:36,640 public parking lot. Yes means yes. No means no. 460 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:41,200 And then and then that discussion around the 461 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,599 parking lots. I mean, I'm here or there about it. Take it out. 462 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,720 » Take it out. Take out. >> It needlessly complicates it at this 463 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,240 point. >> Right. Right. It needlessly complicates 464 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:57,440 it. That's what I think. >> And then as you move forward with each 465 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:01,359 meeting, you guys can certainly stress to the public, these are the questions 466 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,560 and you need to read them carefully, >> right? 467 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:08,560 » And name them each time and say, >> right, 468 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:14,640 » well, and so and and so then it would it would mean that we as a board would vote 469 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:19,680 against that language. We are the ones who would 470 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:23,520 move that referendum forward, the the ones that got all the signatures. 471 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:27,359 » If you're going to follow statute, then I would say that would be 472 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:30,400 » So that is the move would be to vote against putting that on the 473 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:35,440 » We've gotten a legal opinion, >> right? We've gotten a legal opinion and 474 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:39,760 we also are doing something, >> right, 475 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:42,240 » to end this whole situation once and for all. 476 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,200 » You know what I mean? To end or have it go forward, honestly. 477 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:53,680 » Right. And the other the other opportunity that exists is in as it 478 00:39:49,280 --> 00:40:00,000 relates to the petition is we are in 2027 at some point going to have a 479 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:04,160 charter commission whether or not that can be part of 480 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,160 that charter commission's discussion whether to include that language that 481 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,839 could be part of the charter commission with 482 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,440 » not if the statutes don't change >> which is a bigger thing and if and if 483 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:16,560 it's still a statute issued at that point. It's still a statute issue at 484 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,520 that point. >> And maybe the folks that did this want 485 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,119 to go to their legislators because that's where it's going to have to 486 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,480 change and get it changed before 27 so that it can be changed. 487 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,400 » You know what I mean? That's like up to them if they want to do that. 488 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:36,079 » Yeah. I would be stunned. I mean, the you know, this this is a 489 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:41,520 » I just don't see parking as a safety issue personally. I just don't. No, but 490 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:46,720 I I think the overarching um concern 491 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:50,320 is around public safety and 492 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:54,880 that's where it falls. It doesn't fall, it's not parking per se, but it falls 493 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:57,200 under that. Um >> it's like under public safety 494 00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:03,839 enforcement. >> Yeah. Yeah. 495 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:10,960 » So to re to reiterate, Chris, question number one stays as is. Question number 496 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:17,359 two stays as is. Question number three addressed a an idea that we had 497 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:23,760 discussed that we could do metered parking in some of the off- 498 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:28,480 streetet lots. So, we're not addressing the off- streetet lots at all. I think 499 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,119 that leaves the door open to future discussion on that issue 500 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,280 » for sure. >> Yes. 501 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:38,640 » Okay. And if there needs to be like in June, 502 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:43,680 like if we decide we get to there and we're like, "Okay, this is something we 503 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,599 want to do." We put it on as a question >> as its own thing. 504 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:50,079 » As its own thing. >> Yeah. And I think that through the 505 00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:54,960 budget process that will be examined again 506 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:59,520 » and made public so that people are seeing 507 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:04,640 the implications of you know the costs and the revenue that we missed out on 508 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:10,640 etc etc. So you know we have another bite at that apple through the 509 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:16,880 » through the budget process and and in June could take it up again. But I mean 510 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,079 just these two questions will >> tell us what we're getting 511 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,800 » satisfy the Yeah. >> So I just want to point out the timeline 512 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:29,520 put together by Julia Merrill says that September 8th which is our next select 513 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:34,560 board meeting is the date when we must approve special town meeting warrant. So 514 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:39,359 the final wording of what we discussed tonight and what we discuss on the 8th 515 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:45,280 will will be enacted then. >> Yeah. So, I'll present a new revised um 516 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,599 draft so that you guys can vote and then it literally goes to print the next day. 517 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,079 » Okay. >> So, cool. 518 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:54,160 » Yep. And it's going to be it's going to cost the town about $2,000 to do this. 519 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:59,119 Just so you know, just there is a cost to it. So, 520 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:02,560 » Oh, so it's an extra page on the warrant. It's not part of the 521 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,480 » Well, it's an actual ballot. So, it's ballot and we have to have it printed by 522 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:10,640 a special company because it has to go through the the 523 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:13,920 » ballot machine. So, um, I just wanted to make you guys aware of that. 524 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:16,960 » Thanks. That's good. >> And I think the questions are very 525 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,800 straightforward. I don't think they could be any more 526 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,920 » Yeah. >> straightforward. Is there any way to 527 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,920 just have 528 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:33,760 to have these questions not in the actual form of a a warrant 529 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,960 item >> that people could just check them off 530 00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:42,319 and drop them in a box with a slot on the top of it? 531 00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:48,319 » What do you mean just in passing? >> No. Well, on election day 532 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:52,640 » or have it be presented? I I don't have a confident. Maybe Bill 533 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:56,400 has an answer for you. So, basically just like uh 534 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:01,119 » pick up a piece of paper. Yeah. >> Do your regular ballot. Maybe check off 535 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:04,000 something on a small piece of paper. I guess I'll defer to Bill 536 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:08,000 » and drop them into a box. >> Can we count them manually? 537 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:11,280 » Well, there that's going to take a lot of time 538 00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:13,520 » and staff time. So, >> yeah. 539 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,520 » I don't know that you can actually do that. Elections are pretty well 540 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:22,160 regulated. You can have a referendum. That's obviously not binding, but it 541 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:27,520 should be in the same um absentee ballot packet. It should be 542 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:31,440 in the same voting packet and it would go through the same machine. 543 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,319 » You in this day and age, you just don't want to create issues about an accurate 544 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,325 count, >> right? 545 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:42,400 just being a frugal New England [laughter] when you put a dollar amount 546 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:48,560 on it, it's like Bill, do you have any concerns with uh question one or two? Do 547 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,760 those look straightforward enough to you too to get 548 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:55,280 » Yeah, I mean this is a this is, you know, as you guys have discussed, it's 549 00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:59,599 really not a legal issue at all. You guys are collecting information for 550 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:06,880 policy um um political purposes, which is fine. 551 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:12,640 Uh that's part of what what you guys do. Um so it I'm I'm fairly neutral in the 552 00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:15,760 language other than trying to make it clear, but I thought it was clear. 553 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,760 » I think it's clear. [snorts] >> Okay. Well, do we have a motion 554 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:23,440 concerning this item then? >> Well, you're going to bring it back with 555 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:28,240 the changes and we'll vote on it next. >> Um if you Yeah, I I don't think they 556 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,400 need to vote on it right now, Bill. I I'll bring back the the polished 557 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:37,040 version. Is that okay? And then they will vote on it. Well, you're going to 558 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,440 vote a vote on the eighth. Um, yeah. 8th 8th for the warrant, right? 559 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:44,480 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. So, and for what it's So, you'd 560 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:48,800 vote then to put this on the warrant so to speak as a ballot. So, that's all you 561 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:55,440 need to do. And then as far as uh the issue of the petition that you have uh 562 00:45:51,440 --> 00:46:01,200 the statute uh triggers the next remedy that the petitioners have uh in when you 563 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:05,760 refuse to put it on the ballot on the warrant. So, by the act of adopting your 564 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:10,480 warrant, which will not have this petition on it, you will have refused to 565 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,119 put it on, and you have the right to do that as long as you're reasonable. And 566 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:17,440 if somebody thinks you're not reasonable, they can challenge that in 567 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,760 court. So, the refusal act will be not placing it on the warrant itself. 568 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,760 » Okay. 569 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:29,359 » Okay. >> So, no need to take a motion on this, 570 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:30,480 but you've got the guidance and our consent. 571 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,960 » Yep. >> You okay with that? Number three. 572 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,400 » Sounds good. >> All right. 573 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,200 » Motion to adjurnn. >> That would be what we're looking for. 574 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,720 » Second. >> Thank you, Bill. 575 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:50,240 » Thank you. Good night. >> All those in favor of adjournment. 576 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:53,599 » Very good. Four zero. Thank you. >> Sign. Yep.