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Okay, so we can get started now. Welcome to the board, Ms. Lozano, Ms. Martinez.

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We'll move, we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance first and then we'll move on to the agenda.

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Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, underground, indivisible, with liberty, justice, health.

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I can never remember that, so we'll have to somebody else leave that.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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We'll move on to the first agenda item, public comments, and there's a number of folks that

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have signed up, some online.

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And I'm just going to call out each person individually.

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You have three minutes to speak.

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I think once, at least about 10 or 11 people signed up,

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if you find that you're repeating the same things

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that somebody has already mentioned in order

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to expedite things, we'd like to move on.

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But I'll just go ahead and call the first person that's

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online. Patrick Anderson, are you there Patrick?

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Patrick Anderson, are you online?

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Do we unmute

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them from here or can they?

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Are they online? I don't see Patrick Anderson online. All right,

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so if he gets back online we can probably come back to him later. We'll move on to the next

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person in person. Kristen Davis Klein, Ms. Klein are you here? She could introduce

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yourself and have three minutes.

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Can you hear me? Can everyone hear me?

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Good

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afternoon. Thank you for having me here. My name is Kristin Klein and I'm a

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resident of Cameron County. I'm here to publicly comment on the beachfront

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construction certificate and dune protection permit that is being

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considered today. My request is that this committee perform its due

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diligence when reviewing this or any permit application that comes before you.

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I'm asking that after a comprehensive and thorough review of

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information presented in these documents that you not recommend at this permit unless it complies

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with the provisions of the Cameron County Dune Protection and Beach Access Plan, the plan from

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here on out. I would like to remind the committee of one of its responsibilities detailed in section

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three, subsection A of the plan. In reviewing applications at least three committee members

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are required to physically inspect proposed project sites. The committee can then recommend

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and approval with conditions, if appropriate,

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or denial of a permit or certificate.

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I am not an expert.

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I am simply a concerned citizen,

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and when I studied this application packet,

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several issues came to my attention.

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I only have time for a couple.

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First, the applicant spends a great deal of space

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trying to classify the air separation unit, or ASU,

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as a habitable structure.

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It made me wonder why this was so.

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Probably because the permitting process

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for an industrial facility would be more difficult

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hold or costly to obtain.

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Please look at the images in attachment G of the application

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and ask yourselves whether this structure that I'm holding up

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before you can be considered habitable.

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Do an internet search for the Standard Industrial

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Classification, or SIC, SICK code for an ASU.

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Look closely at the area in which the applicant proposed

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to build the ASU, Property ID 171647.

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Can't see it on this one.

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It's too small.

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But it's red in the star based comprehensive plan and you will see that it is zoned heavy

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Industrial then please refer to section 3 subsection d2 of the plan and weigh the wishes of applicant

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Against the needs of local residents and beachgoers as well as Cameron County itself

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Second under the tech at Texas open each beaches act and the Texas Dune Protection Act

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Counties and cities are required to protect public public access to beaches and to preserve the natural coastal environment

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These statues direct local governments to avoid approving construction that jeopardizes

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the stability of dunes, which serves natural protection against storm surge and coastal

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erosion, does not consider if alternatives of the project site exist, does not provide

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an adequate mitigation plan to fully offset the unavoidable harm the project may cause.

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A high-pressure gas facility located just yards away from the Gulf of Mexico and within

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a federally designated hurricane zone may violate the intent of these laws.

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The recent explosion at the Massey site underscores how volatile SpaceX operations can be and how real the risks to nearby residents, public land and protect ecosystems are.

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Approval of this permit would not only contradict Texas coastal protection law but would also expose Cameron County to liability in the event of a future accident evacuation or environmental catastrophe.

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The public's safety and access to the beach should be just as important as supporting the effort to get to Mars.

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thank you thank you next we have online Sharon Wilcox hello can you hear me yes

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please go ahead thank you my name is Dr. Sharon Wilcox and I serve as the

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senior Texas representative for defenders wildlife we respectfully

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oppose the issuance of a beachfront construction certificate and doom

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protection permit for the proposed air separator unit at Boca Chica.

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The Texas Dune Protection Act is clear, dunes must be preserved for their vital ecological

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The proposed site lies within an active dune system that protects inland areas from storm

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surge and erosion.

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its ability to withstand severe weather events, threatening the natural, recreational

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and human resources in this area.

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Boca Chica provides vital habitat for federally protected species,

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like the Kemp's Ridley Sea Turtle, which nests on these beaches,

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and many migratory shorebirds that rely on the intact dune and beach habitat.

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These animals have extremely limited nesting and roosting habitat left in Texas.

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Continued fragmentation will only push them closer to extinction.

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It is worth noting that Cameron County is a global destination for birding and ecotourism

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and it is a major contributor to our local economy.

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Each disturbance erodes this ecosystem's resilience.

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Dunes Earth are difficult to restore once damaged and improving industrial infrastructure

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in this fragile zone directly contradicts the intent of our state's dune protection

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laws.

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mitigation as proposed cannot replace what would be lost. We must consider the cumulative

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impacts of the site. The star base footprint continues to grow and this project risks tipping

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the balance toward irreversible ecological harm. Every project sets a precedent allowing

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development of this nature this close to the dunes and shoreline invites future proposals

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that will further erode our coastal integrity.

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Critically this proposal fails to show impacts that have been avoided,

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minimized, or adequately mitigated. There is no alternative analysis, no

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assessment of impacts to adjacent state park lands,

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no detailed mitigation plan, and nothing that approaches

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the one-to-one restoration ratio. The applicant

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cannot simply push sand around and plant grass. True

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mitigation requires full and lasting ecological restoration. I urge the committee to deny

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this permit. The risk to wildlife coastal resilience and public trust are too great.

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Boca Chica holds deep significance to Indigenous cultures and to community identity. Any proposal

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here demands not just environmental review, but cultural consultation, respect and stewardship.

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ship. Thank you.

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Thank you, Miss Wilcox. Next we have in person René Medrano.

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Good afternoon.

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My name is René Medrano, lifelong residence of Brownsville. For more than 45 years, my family

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has lived about 17 miles from what is now Starbase. My concern is beach access.

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What is happening with SpaceX wanting to build more structures close to the only access onto the beach?

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How will this affect the only access we have to the beach?

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When is enough enough?

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I have seen chaotic changes that have happened in the area where I've lived,

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which includes dangerous traffic situations during shift changes at SpaceX,

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dangerous damaged roads with heavy oversized loads being driven back and

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forth on Highway 4 every day. Chaotic changes from what used to be a peaceful

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beautiful beach in Boca Chica is now an industrial eyesore to all traveling on

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on highway four to the only access onto Boca Chica Beach.

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When is enough enough?

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Cameron County has given everything they have,

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have asked for, and they keep giving them.

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And what does the county get in return?

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We get a burned up acreage of land

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from an extremely dangerous explosion the other night

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that rattled the entire county.

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We get roads so damaged it's hard to drive on

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and it's dangerous to drive on.

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We get very little communication from Cameron County,

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or SpaceX, or Starbase, for access to Boca Chica Beach,

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just for the common folk.

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It's always a guessing game to know when the only access road to the beach is open or closed.

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Starbase, Cameron County, SpaceX needs to develop a set schedule

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to let the general public know when access to the beach is open or closed.

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This 24-hour notice that Cameron County, SpaceX, Starbase, whatever it is,

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is followed as outdated.

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Beach access has always been number one concern.

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But now, with all this confusion on the beach access that has grown completely out of hand,

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will we always have access?

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I really hope so.

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You know, there needs to be an evenly structured plan so that we can reach Mars if we want

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to go to Mars, but more importantly be able to have access to enjoy Boca Chica Beach freely.

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So I hope this committee votes no to grant permission for yet more structures at SpaceX

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that will interrupt and affect the only access that we have in order to get to Boca Chica

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Beach.

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Thank you for your concerns.

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Thank you, Mr. Majano.

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next we have online Molly Smith

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okay I have I used to live in the valley and I'm

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a frequent visitor to the valley I'm here right now as a matter of fact I have

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several questions to ask right now though there are obviously many more how can it

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possibly be safe for an air separator that produces liquid oxygen one of the

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fuels for launching the biggest rocket ever made to be located in such close

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proximity to the launch site. If there was a mishap at the launch pad, it would compromise

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the air separation facility. Dunes are protected areas. How can it be that a very large facility

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can be built on such a fragile location? With the number of known explosions that have

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already occurred, how can it be assured or even close to assured that another one won't

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occur either at the air separator or during a launch? Will launch mishaps be more scrutinized

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if there is a facility right next door. If people during a launch can feel the ground

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shaking and hear windows rattling miles away, what effects will that have on the structural

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foundation of the air separator? In the prohibited activities section of when

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dune protection permits can be issued. The building of this facility obviously

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highlights many provisions such as removing sand from the beach and dune system to

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detonating bombs or explosives, that's one of the provisions, and accidental explosions

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are not specifically addressed, but they certainly have occurred multiple times.

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I hope that this, that this facility is disallowed.

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Thank you, Ms. Smith.

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Next we have online Christopher Vasaldu.

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I hope I said that name correctly.

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I am Dr. Christopher Vasaldu.

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I grew up and I live here in Brownsville.

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I'm a co-founder of the South Texas Environmental Justice Network, and I'm a member of the Garisoko

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Makurudo Tribal Nation.

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I asked this committee to consider denying the construction permit, the construction

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certification for the air separator unit.

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It is unnecessary, and whatever gases or fuels that SpaceX needs, they do not need

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created their onsite destroying a delicate ecosystem and the public beach. These areas

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of Boca Chica Beach, the mouth of the river, and the area that SpaceX now is on, those are all sacred lands.

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There has been no consultation with the tribal nation, and therefore there is no free prior

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and informed consent, and everything that SpaceX and Starbase are doing is not only an environmental

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disaster, but it's also a human rights violation and a violation of indigenous people's rights.

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I also ask you to not allow this permit to go forth to destroy the dunes.

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The dunes are delicate and also necessary, as well as beautiful.

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And we don't need more coastal erosion in the state of Texas.

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And as I said, you're allowing it to be destroyed for industrial purposes in an area that

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was never meant for industrial purposes, that the county and even the federal government

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has set aside lands out there to be wildlife refuge at State Park.

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So please deny the construction certificate and deny the permit of the dunes.

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I also demand that there be a full public hearings on these proposed projects with

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at least 30 days notice for the public to respond. For the documents they need to be more readily

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available to the public for review during that time and they must be provided fully in English

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and in Spanish so that people can have access to them both electronically and in public libraries

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here in Cameron County. We need an actual 30 days notice before we consider any of this.

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I want to warn Cameron County of the dangers of SpaceX and Starbase.

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When they originally proposed to their facility, they had a tiny project with a tiny footprint.

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They continue to take and annex and take more land and they are only polluting and

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destroying what was an incredibly beautiful area that human beings have had access to

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freely since the beginning of human living and occupation in these areas.

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Spacex will continue to pollute and destroy things. Cameron County should stop abating

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or helping or aiding or approving anything SpaceX does. I also want to remind Cameron

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County that Elon Musk made the Nazi salute at the presidential inauguration back in

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January. This should show you that he and his followers have a politic that is anti-human.

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Thank you, Mr. Basildo. I think you've reached your three minutes.

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Dr. Basildo.

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I'm sorry Dr. Bastold, I'm sorry my apologies. Thank you very much for your

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comments. I will move on to the next person. In person, Maria Galasso. Maria,

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are you here?

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Okay, she comes in later. I think I guess we could go back.

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sorry. I'm online. She's online. I'm on, this is Maria Galasso. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Maria, I'd say she's in person here, so please go ahead.

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Okay, I appreciate it.

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Good afternoon, my name is Maria Galasso,

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and I live in Libana Vista.

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I've been here for about 15 years,

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but I was born here in the Rio Grande Valley,

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so I am a native.

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I'm asking that the item on the agenda for today

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be tabled for public safety considerations

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and possible alternatives.

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Before I begin, I will note that scheduling a meeting late

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in the afternoon at the start of this summer's biggest

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holiday celebrations suggest a lack of respect

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for public engagement and a lack of transparency.

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Public safety, back in September of 2022,

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during a Starship Engine test,

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a fire surrounded the launch pad

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and burned 68 acres of Boca Chica. Then in April of 2023, the first Starship launch

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resulted in an explosion and another fire at the launch pad which burned three

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and a half acres and caused a particulate matter to rain down on

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Port Isbell and the surrounding areas. Since then each new launch carries

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with it, the very real possibility of a fire, explosion, or both.

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Fast forward to two weeks ago.

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What happened at the Massey test site?

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Not what caused the two explosions, but what actually exploded with starship, especially

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the second explosion.

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Was it a liquid oxygen filled tank, or was it liquid methane or LNG, or maybe both?

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So, we don't yet know for sure, but Valley Central reported that the financial fire department

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was on site and although they didn't engage, they were kept on deck in case of another

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explosion of the nearby canisters.

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We should wait for a public report from the local fire marshal to help answer these

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and other questions.

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A decision to permit an ASU with propellant filled tanks just across the road from the

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launch pad should be tabled at this time so that any possible public safety risks to both

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the beach and beach goers and residents can be explored and considered perhaps at a public

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hearing where questions can be asked and answered and discussed because public safety is

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important. The proposed ASU site location may make logistical sense for SpaceX flight activities,

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but this is not Cape Canaveral where the nearest population zone is 15 miles away

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and protecting a public beach is not a consideration. Alternatives. The permanent

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application simply states that there are no alternative locations for the ASU. But per

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the scene Antonio News.

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Miseraso, your three minutes are up. Thank you for your conversation.

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We'll move on to the next person, Mr. Juan Macias. In person.

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Good afternoon. My name is Juan Macias. I am the tribal chairman for the Carriza

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Comarquero, the tribe of Texas, and the honest spokesman for the tribe. I want to greet

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in my language,

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like I was, you know, I'm a spokesperson, and my name is Stanza Loam,

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and I'm here to let you know that I appreciate the ceremony of you guys getting sworn in,

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but I don't see any tribal people or advisors on this committee.

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And I think you need to start doing that because when you're celebrating your independence

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And to me, you're still perpetuating the genocide of tribal erasure.

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And in some of these reports, I'm going to offer to you, and I'm going to send to you,

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especially the HAVOC ones, they require that there should be tribal monitoring.

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And we're the only entity in Texas right now that has been recognized by Homeland Security to do tribal monitoring.

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Along the Rio Grande, along the coast, because of what's going on.

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And I think it's important that we are able to have that representation because we are still here and we have never gone in there.

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500 years ago when they first landed here on the river, there was clean water, clean air.

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The lomas were fine, but all this gentrification to me is terraforming so they can have a reason to occupy Mars.

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And I think that's one of the problems that we need to understand, that the air separator is not, is a problem.

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It has a lot of hazards and you need to look at those hazards and there's a lot of modifications

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they're going to have to put into these things.

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And I think there has to be a bigger investigation on what needs to be done on this.

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And you need to have that representation here to give you that information.

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Don't think just because we're native that we're not educated.

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We've learned that way.

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You just haven't learned our way.

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And that's important to understand to share those things together to be able to be to understand that those were old village village

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fishing villages of ours

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They've been taken and as a matter of fact the Monsea's family you still own all that land at one time

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And it was in my great great great aunt was

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Was conned out of it by a New York firm

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To hand it over to some of some of the plantation owners that came in there

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So I just want you to know that this is important, that we continue to talk about this and have the representation from the tribe.

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We may not be federally recognized, but Homeland Security recognizes us as tribal monitors.

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And we've been doing that for over 70 years.

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And this is important for me, that you start looking at this.

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If you really want to be representative of the body and this county wants to be representative of the body,

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They need to have the tribal representation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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We'll move on to the next in person.

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Ed Goti.

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I'm sorry, Edda.

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Edda Goti, I'm sorry.

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I am here to offer public comments

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regarding the construction permit that was,

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that is before you today.

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I am asking that the committee undertake

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a comprehensive and thorough review

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of the information presented in the application document

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and not recommend the permit unless it complies with the provisions of the

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Cameron County Dune Protection and Beach Access Plan. And specifically that, one,

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the proposed project does not directly or indirectly reduce the site or encroach

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on the public beach in any manner or impair or adversely affect the public

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use or access to and from the public beach. Number two, that the proposed

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Propose activity is not a prohibited activity as defined by subsection G to prohibited activities in the county plan.

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Number three, that the proposed activity will not materially weaken dune complexes or materially damaged dune vegetation.

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Four, that there is no practicable alternatives to the proposed activity and the adverse effects cannot be avoided.

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it. Five, that the application mitigation plan will adequately minimize, mitigate, and

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or compensate for the unavoidable adverse effects. Six, that a hearing has been held

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on the application since mitigation is required. And seven, that the activity complies with

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all the requirements of the Dune Protection Plan.

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The Starbase proposed zoning maps has a proposed site zoned as heavy industrial. Taking

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into account the devastating explosion of starship and subsequent destruction of the

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Massey site. I respectfully urge the committee to carefully review the permit requested

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by SpaceX for the proposed ASU along the beach front in this area. The implications

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of constructing this ASU along the roadway to the beach that will be traveled by many

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residents of this county should be thoroughly examined and fully understood by the committee

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before a recommendation is made to the court. The public safety and access to the beach

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should be just as important as supporting the effort to get to Mars. Under the Texas

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Open Beach Act and the Texas Dune Protection and the city counties and cities are required

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to protect public access to beaches and to preserve the natural coastal environment.

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These statues direct local governments to avoid approving construction that jeopardizes the stability of dunes.

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Avoid approving construction if alternatives to the project site exist.

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Avoid approving construction that does not provide an adequate mitigation plan.

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Approval of this permit would not only contradict Texas Coastal Protection Law,

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but would also expose Cameron County to liability in the event of a future accident, evacuation,

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or in that environmental catastrophe. For these reasons, the county should be... Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Cody. Next we have online, Elliot Treyhan.

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Elliot, are you there?

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Yes, I'm here. Sorry about that. Can y'all hear me?

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Yeah, go ahead, please.

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Perfect. Thank you. My name is Elliot Treyhan. I am a resident in Brownsville, Texas.

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And I'm asking the committee to deny all permits requested by SpaceX regarding the, sorry, I'm a little tired right now, regarding the Dune permit, the construction permit, and the air separator.

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And I'm going to be honest, I have not done the impressive homework that some of my fellow commentaries have done. I haven't gotten the chance to read the documents.

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It's super thoroughly.

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I haven't even had time to read the laws

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about doom protection in Texas,

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but I honestly don't think I need to,

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I don't think any of us need to know

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that this is not good for Cameron County.

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It's not good for the land

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and that it's going to be a violation of basic humanity,

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a violation of the law

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and just everything that we should hold sacred.

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And I notice because we've seen what SpaceX has done.

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It's not like this is a new company that we don't know.

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We've seen them just like Dr. Bucklew-Dew said from 2014,

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starting with a small site and continuing to grow and grow

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and grow and take and take and take and take.

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Every time we give them something,

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they take more and more.

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And they've shown themselves to be consistently flout rules.

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They've shown themselves to see,

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sorry, I'm not super eloquent right now,

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I'm a little tired.

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They've shown themselves to disregard rules.

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To break them, to violate laws. So even if they did have all their paperwork right, which as others have pointed out, they don't. Even if this committee had given the public 30 days to review documents and schedule a time where people can actually show up to voice their concerns over this, even if all those boxes had been checked, I think just based on this company's behavior based on their history, based on the fact that they violated every degree of

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trusts or any shred of trust that they should have, we should not even be considering it.

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While others have asked for a careful review, I don't care if we carefully review this permit.

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They shouldn't be allowed to ask for anything more because they've already

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broken so many promises and trusts. Anyway, I'm not saying anything else that's

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that useful, but that's what I have to say. Please don't give them anything more.

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they've taken far too much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next online, Jim Chapman. Please go ahead.

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Thank you. My name is Jim Chapman. I live in Westlaco, Texas. I have submitted written comments that

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are a bit longer than this, so I'm only reading part of my comments. The SpaceX plan is incomplete

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and should be returned to the applicant for more detailed resubmission. The most

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Most glaring deficiency is the complete lack of any description of the quote 20 structures

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on the site.

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What are they for?

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How large and how high are they?

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What is their footprint?

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On page 23 it states, number of proposed structures is 20 C attachment D. Attachment

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D shows 10 small white boxes.

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Are those the structures?

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If so, why are there only 10?

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Even the large air separator unit, attachment G, is shown only in cross-section.

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Where exactly will it be located? What will be its dimensions?

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What does its aerial view footprint look like? Will there be emissions, noise, lighting?

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This is a very rich, biodiverse area and these questions are important.

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For example, the project falls within the designated critical habitat area for the endangered piping plebber,

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yet there is no mention or acknowledging of that, let alone how those impacts will be mitigated.

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SpaceX proposed mitigation is not only inadequate and misguided,

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but is likely to leave the mitigated area more impacted and less ecologically whole than it is now.

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At present, the project area and the mitigation area are remarkably similar,

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as you can actually see in the plan's own photos, which I actually have attached to my written comments.

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To take sand from one site and dump it on the other and then plant two species of plants

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on it would be a travesty.

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There are likely more than 50 species of plants there now and while there are small open spaces

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these are important parts of the area's ecology as there are a number of important

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species such as the piping plover, snowy plover, and leased turn that roost and nest

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in open areas.

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The area has a multitude of micro-habitats, and that's the way it needs to stay.

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If the Commission does not reject the proposed mitigation outright, it should engage a TPWD

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wildlife biologist and botanist to evaluate the proposed mitigation site and plan before deciding

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whether to approve or not the whole proposal.

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Given the area's environmental uniqueness and value and its proximity to Boca Chica Beach itself,

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the committee should question the whole project's location.

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Why can't the ASU complex be located

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at the Port of Brownsville,

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a designated heavy industry zone?

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The inconvenience of being 17 miles away

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is offset by leaving Boca Chica dunes and back dunes

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environmentally intact as they are and have always been.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you sir. And finally, we have one more in person, Mary Helen Flores.

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Good afternoon. Thank you for giving me a few minutes here to address you.

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And unlike the other commenters who had very substantive information on the technical and legal ramifications of this thing,

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I want to appeal to you just on principle alone.

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We need to protect the dunes that we have right now because they are irreplaceable.

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They are an integral part of Boca Chica Beach, which our families use and enjoy now.

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and we cannot afford for SpaceX to take any more to encroach any more on our

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beach on our use of our beach and you five are the sentinels are the guardians

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of our dune line and I beg you I ask you to use your mind your heart your soul

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to protect our dune line from any kind of industrial building.

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And this here is a first try, put a stop to it, put an end to it on principle alone.

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This is where our kids play.

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This is where they go to the beach.

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This is not something we should even be considering to destroy for an industrial site

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for SpaceX, which has given us nothing in our county but destruction.

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They have yet to give us a damage control plan.

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Nothing has been said about any kind of fund to help with damages to our homes and properties

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that is occurring cumulatively with the blast that they have out there.

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so please please I beg you to the five of you stand guard and do not allow any

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destruction of any of our dune line for anything and I thank you for your

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service thank you miss forest okay that brings to a closing the public

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comments part of this. Oh, I find up to make a public comment. I emailed. Sorry. Hi, my

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name is Rebecca. I emailed at before 10am this morning. Mr. Sanchez and I asked to make

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a public comment. All right, go ahead. Please go ahead. Thank you so much. Hello, my name

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is Rebecca. I'm one of the co-founders of the South Texas Environmental Justice

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network. I live in Brownsville. And I'm here to ask the Dean Protection Committee to deny

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this permit for SpaceX. I ask that you recommend that this permit be denied to the Cameron County

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Commissioners. I also ask that you all who, you know, represent Cameron County residents

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and who should, you know, listen to our concerns, your purpose in this process is to elevate

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and lift up the community concerns and speak for us.

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And the community today is telling you to deny this permit.

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We also need a 30-day notice for a public hearing, and there should be a public hearing

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on this matter.

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It's a large industrial project that's going to have a huge footprint, huge negative impact

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to the environment, to the community that holds Boca Chica Beach sacred.

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Residents have been going to Boca Chica Beach, you know, all of their lives.

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My grandpa grew up going to Boca Chica Beach.

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My mother grew up going to Boca Chica Beach.

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We don't want to see Boca Chica Beach become an industrial eyesore.

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And Spain has already caused numerous, numerous damages, has scorched the land, and is engaging

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in a hostile takeover of Boca Chica Beach.

454
00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:39,660
This permit would have huge detrimental impacts, and you all are supposed to, you know, help

455
00:38:39,660 --> 00:38:42,080
bring in public input in this process.

456
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,520
Please give us a 30-day notice and a public hearing.

457
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,540
consider denying this permit and, you know, please listen to the concerns you hear today

458
00:38:53,540 --> 00:39:00,600
from all of these residents. It is deeply concerning and problematic that this meeting feels rushed

459
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,860
because it's happening, you know, the evening of July 3rd and a lot of people, including my

460
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:10,940
own family members, are not available at this time because of, you know, a well-deserved

461
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:16,360
weekend break. So please, you know, give us more time to give public input on this

462
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,500
very important matter. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Ms. Hinosa. We'll move

463
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:28,300
on to item number two, new business. I'm going to read the agenda item out and

464
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:34,180
then give an opportunity for the board members to make comments and maybe

465
00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:38,660
answer some of those questions. But I'd also like to remind ourselves, I

466
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:43,880
I guess that we're not really approving a permit to build here.

467
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,260
We're just making a recommendation to the Cameron County Commissionist Court,

468
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:50,280
who will make the final decision on this.

469
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:55,860
We are responding to a beach and dune permit application to the state.

470
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,800
Correct me if I'm wrong, Augustine anyway, because I think we've done a lot of these in Saapadra Island.

471
00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:05,260
When I was on the shoreline task force there, and then on this committee,

472
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:10,880
We are going to, and we have looked at the recommendations from the state.

473
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:16,220
And our local staff will advise us on the beach and

474
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:22,160
dune protection plan that SpaceX has presented or will be presenting.

475
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:28,340
And we basically make a recommendation based on that,

476
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,180
on the dune protection, not necessarily approving a building permit.

477
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:37,420
And this particular issue will have to go to several hoops.

478
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,500
I think it's four altogether.

479
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:39,640
First is the state.

480
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,040
We have received a letter from the state, am I correct?

481
00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:43,120
That's correct.

482
00:40:43,300 --> 00:40:49,600
Now it's within us, amongst us, to give a recommendation to the Cameron County Commission

483
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:54,940
Escort about the beach front construction certificate.

484
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:58,080
And if the mitigation plan looks okay to us.

485
00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:04,460
Again, we don't make decisions on giving building permits.

486
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,480
I think there is another hoop after that that goes to the City Council of Starbase that

487
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,440
basically issues a building permit also.

488
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:16,200
So there are several hoops that this project will go through before it breaks ground.

489
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,960
This is strictly a Dune Protection Advisory Board of the Cameron County Commissioner

490
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:31,540
I know I was involved in the Cameron County Dune Protection Beach Access Plan when it was built and presented to the state, approved and sent back to us.

491
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:40,600
There was a lot of work put into that and we will adhere closely to that to make sure that we do follow all the rules on beach access and things like that.

492
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,640
But beyond that, there's several things mentioned here.

493
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:50,240
I made a list of a lot of things that really we don't, this committee,

494
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,140
It's beyond the scope of this committee to answer those questions.

495
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,740
So I just wanted to point that out.

496
00:41:55,900 --> 00:42:01,400
We're not saying that we're strictly adhering to the guidelines that we are given

497
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:09,440
as a Cameron County Dune Protection Committee to give a recommendation to the commissioner's court.

498
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:11,800
Having said that, we'll go on to the new business.

499
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,480
I'll read the first one and only agenda item here.

500
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,200
a discussion and possible action on a beach-run construction certificate and

501
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,940
doom protection permit application for SpaceX Exploration Inc. for the construction

502
00:42:24,940 --> 00:42:31,980
of an air separator unit near Boca Chica Beach. Go ahead. Thank you Mr. Chairman.

503
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:37,780
Yes as you mentioned this is an advisory committee. Just for for public

504
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:42,100
information there will be a public hearing on Tuesday before the item is

505
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,680
brought before commission's court to final approval

506
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:45,920
to issue the permit.

507
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,420
This permit is not a building permit.

508
00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:50,580
It's a beachfront construction certificate

509
00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:52,240
and doing protection permit only.

510
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,420
And what we're looking at is only

511
00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:59,680
beach and doing protection rules

512
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,420
at a state level and at an accounting level.

513
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,520
But the application submitted to you by SpaceX

514
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,840
has gone through the review of my department

515
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:21,860
And then it was shared with the general land office where they conducted their own review between the county and the state.

516
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:30,360
We make a thorough review on us to completeness and consistency with local state rules.

517
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:33,480
It was then completed consistent.

518
00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:40,160
The letter issued by the JLO, and that is part of the packet, states that, and

519
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,040
and says the conditions under this permit

520
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:49,580
should be issued, and is there for your consideration?

521
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,560
I have, we have representatives from the applicant's basics

522
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,700
here in prison and online that are available

523
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,180
to answer any questions that you might have.

524
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,940
And myself as well.

525
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,160
Thank you, Augusto.

526
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:08,080
Yes, please.

527
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,140
Yes,

528
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,600
I think, can you turn on your mic, can you, okay.

529
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:21,020
You mentioned that the general land office

530
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:22,340
already took a look at this.

531
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:24,020
Yes, yeah.

532
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,220
And they came back with what exactly?

533
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:33,320
The letter from the GLO that is dated back from in May

534
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,940
lists states that there's no objections

535
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,700
as per the state and county rules

536
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:44,740
And list all the conditions that the applicant must follow while implementing the project.

537
00:44:45,580 --> 00:44:53,660
Each particular comment makes a reference to the state statute or the DOOM protection plan in the county.

538
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,820
So, any other questions by the board members regarding the.

539
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:06,320
I think I would want to address the letter from GLO first to make sure that we are adhering

540
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,900
and SpaceX is adhering to all the conditions that are laid out in the DUNE mitigation plan

541
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:18,660
or recommendations that the, I know the letter going out didn't have all those things, but

542
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:23,940
the letter that came back from the GLO, are we agreed on, or if we can get a comment from

543
00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:30,000
SpaceX on the mitigation plan, and then who will be supervising the mitigation plan?

544
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,500
This is the public information from our side, from when I say our side, I mean, Cameron

545
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:41,920
County, that will be making sure that all the one-to-one land plans and all the things

546
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,760
that are on that list, and I've gone through that list many times because I've done

547
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,580
many mitigations like that on my own property.

548
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:55,920
So I know what the mechanics of our they are quite complex and they do require a lot of supervision

549
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:04,380
So Augusto who will be doing the supervision on our side on Cameron County side to make sure that SpaceX and complies is in compliance

550
00:46:04,380 --> 00:46:06,020
with beach access

551
00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:11,320
That's not been hindered in any way and number two that the Dune Protection

552
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:18,320
information permit will make, is adhered to very closely and all the conditions on there

553
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,360
are met. I think there are seven conditions that I see on the GLO list.

554
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:32,100
Yeah. It will be the Department of Residence and Natural Resources that will supervise the

555
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:39,180
project and make sure that it's in compliance. We'll be doing routine visits to the site

556
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:45,200
depending on the timeline it could be as frequent as weekly or by

557
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,040
weekly or monthly depending on how long the process or the construction will take place.

558
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:59,200
I mean it will take and then once the applicant considers that the mitigation

559
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,000
is complete, we will conduct a final review.

560
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,400
We'll request information as to, similar to ask bill plans or another survey

561
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,460
on the mitigation areas.

562
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,540
With photo documentation, we'll review that information.

563
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:15,880
We'll confirm that on the ground.

564
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,860
And that particular moment that will be sent to the state

565
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:22,780
for their review.

566
00:47:23,020 --> 00:47:27,300
Sometimes they come down and do a side visit

567
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:28,560
to confirm that.

568
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:30,580
Sometimes they rely on the information provided.

569
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,580
And then if everything is complete,

570
00:47:33,860 --> 00:47:35,540
the mitigation has been done one to one

571
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:41,560
as to, you know, sand volume that has been impacted and vegetation area, then the permit

572
00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:43,500
will be closed out.

573
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:46,560
I have one more question.

574
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,040
If SpaceX is not in compliance with the Dune Mitigation Plan put down by the state and

575
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,920
they come down and say, well, this is not complete, can you make sure that this committee

576
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,960
is made aware of that so we can have another meeting and make sure that we're making

577
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,940
making sure that SpaceX is compliant with all the conditions that are, and they're met,

578
00:48:08,460 --> 00:48:16,080
if not exceeded, so that we stay, because we lose grant money if we don't keep an eye

579
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,720
on that, right?

580
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:16,840
Of course.

581
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,460
For Cameron County, and we don't want that.

582
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,000
Mm-hmm.

583
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:24,280
So we want to make sure that the, you all report back to us quickly and let us know

584
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:24,860
how it's going.

585
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:29,440
Once it's complete and the state approves it, we need to know that also.

586
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,060
So that would be good information for the committee, I think.

587
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:36,600
Go ahead. Any other questions that you all have? Please.

588
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:37,180
Yes,

589
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:40,250
ma'am. Go ahead.

590
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,080
So did I understand that you said that the public hearing is going to be on Tuesday before the commissioners' court meeting?

591
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:49,380
That is correct, yes.

592
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,460
And so have the adjacent property owners, I guess there's one, have they received notice already?

593
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,980
And do they know that this public hearing is occurring on Tuesday?

594
00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:06,200
Yes, the applicant has provided information that the notice has been sent out with 10 days in advance.

595
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,320
And it's only one property owner that is adjacent to this property.

596
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:17,400
And how does the public know that there's a public hearing, given that this is a holiday weekend

597
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,880
and this hearing is literally you're posting it, I guess it's already been posted?

598
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,420
Yes, it was posted today along with the commission's court agenda.

599
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:31,840
Okay, so what effort are we making?

600
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:36,240
I think there's one issue here that I kind of gather from the comments,

601
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,520
and that is that there needs to be more transparency and more communication with the public

602
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,340
so that they feel like they've had an opportunity to weigh in on the issues.

603
00:49:45,860 --> 00:49:52,080
So what are we doing to make sure that folks feel like they have an opportunity to respond and participate in the process?

604
00:49:52,080 --> 00:50:00,360
Well, this committee adheres to the Open Meetings Act and all its rules.

605
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,080
That's why the previous two meetings were considered not valid.

606
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:11,860
And we're following the notices on a timely matter as per the Open Meetings Act.

607
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:20,100
There is one provision in the plan that states that the adjacent property needs to be notified

608
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:28,420
of public hearing, 10 days in advance of that public hearing, that notice and correct me

609
00:50:28,420 --> 00:50:33,020
if I'm wrong, was sent out last Friday to the property owners.

610
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:42,320
So that makes, that fulfills that requirement of 10 days before next Tuesday, which is where

611
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,440
the public hearing will be held.

612
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,820
And the plan itself, for the newbies that are here, is intended to protect what?

613
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:57,640
The plan, in a very journal idea, is intended to protect the critical dune area.

614
00:50:58,620 --> 00:50:59,860
Which is located where?

615
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:04,520
So the critical dune area is between Minlow and High Tide.

616
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:11,060
So roughly, if you take an aerial photo where you see the wet sand is located,

617
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:14,500
and then 1,000 feet landward from that point.

618
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:18,700
So anything in between that area is considered protected

619
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:21,180
as per the Natural Resources Code.

620
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,000
Okay, so if we take this project,

621
00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:25,300
where is this project located in relationship

622
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:26,700
to that 1,000 square feet?

623
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,240
It's completely within the 1,000 foot line.

624
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:31,800
So it's within the...

625
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,300
The Lume Protection Line, yes, ma'am.

626
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,420
1,000 linear feet, not square feet, so.

627
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:36,980
Yeah.

628
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:39,180
Linear, I apologize, linear.

629
00:51:39,580 --> 00:51:40,060
Linear feet.

630
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:49,380
So the plan also includes a building setback line. Does it not that's correct and the setback line basically says that you should sit back

631
00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:50,760
230 feet

632
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:57,380
Any construction the planet self discourages construction within the building setback line

633
00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:03,540
That's correct and this project does what this project is is located

634
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:09,140
Roughly between 280 a feet land were from the line of vegetation

635
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:12,400
which is basically where the dune starts,

636
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,640
where you see the total dune,

637
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:15,560
where you start seeing the dune.

638
00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:17,420
Oh, it's outside of the building setback line?

639
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:18,920
It's outside of setback line.

640
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,640
There is no encroachment in that building setback line

641
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:22,000
by this instructor.

642
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,560
No appendix A, I believe is CD and E,

643
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:31,980
show the footprint of the layout of the project

644
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,180
and the location of the building setback line.

645
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,840
So it is within the 1,000 feet,

646
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:44,680
But it's outside of the building setback line correct, and it is within the property owned by SpaceX

647
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,580
Correct, they own the land the county doesn't own the land that's correct

648
00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:53,200
So we have to find a way that they can use the property while protecting the public beaches

649
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,620
And that's correct. That's that's basically what this committee does. Mm-hmm. I

650
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:03,760
have another question sure

651
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,400
You mentioned that the public hearing is next week right correct

652
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:13,820
So why wouldn't we, you know, table this till after the public hearing?

653
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,180
Is there certain rules that we have to have before the public hearing, this meeting?

654
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:25,400
The public hearing needs to happen after this committee issues a recommendation for or against

655
00:53:26,060 --> 00:53:26,760
the project.

656
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,860
The recommendation from this committee triggers the public hearing.

657
00:53:32,540 --> 00:53:33,500
Correct me if I'm wrong.

658
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:40,000
But I think that's where, yeah, it's a process, exactly.

659
00:53:40,260 --> 00:53:49,040
And we want to make sure here that the, when we advise the Cameron County Commissioners

660
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:56,620
Court that the Beachfront Construction Certificate and the Dune Protection Permits and

661
00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:59,000
any exemption petitions are all met.

662
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:11,500
In other words, we are following and in compliance with the Cameron County Doon Protection and Beach Access Plan, which is what our undertaking is with the state of Texas.

663
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:15,580
And that's what we are here for. Did you have a comment?

664
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:24,880
Okay, so I think we do want to stay within the parameters of our responsibility and our task here.

665
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:31,140
And I have many questions, some of which I learned from folks that are here.

666
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:34,180
I have many questions about the ACU units.

667
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,940
So the commissioners will be hearing a lot from me about this particular project when

668
00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:44,040
they approve it next week or not approve it.

669
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:51,800
So, but I'm going to save those questions for the commissioner's court meeting because

670
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,320
because it's beyond the scope of this committee for me to put all that front here.

671
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:01,720
I want to make sure here that we follow the rules on what we are tasked to do here.

672
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,100
And we have a jail-low approval basically based, depending on how the mitigation goes

673
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:10,260
with SpaceX.

674
00:55:11,140 --> 00:55:20,340
If they meet all the conditions of that mitigation, we have no reason to deny a recommendation

675
00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:27,380
to the Cameron County Commissioners Court that, yes, they have met, you know, the Dune Protection

676
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:36,520
Plan. And so please go ahead and start mitigating. And once it's all done, is when they will

677
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,220
be issued a permit for construction. So if they're, you know, that's our, that's my

678
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:46,620
concern here that the vegetation that they will be disturbing on the footprint of this

679
00:55:46,620 --> 00:55:54,000
construction and the the waters you know see page and things like that to make

680
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:59,220
sure that we have enough permeable square footage etc is all met and if

681
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:05,040
that's met then the conditions of this committee basically is fulfilled the

682
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,160
construction part and all the other questions are for the commissioner's

683
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:14,980
court and the city of Starbase I would think that's your you know that's

684
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:16,680
something that you'll have to answer to your citizens.

685
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,040
So this is a very complex one.

686
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:26,420
We've never had a permit like this before.

687
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:30,320
It's usually a home or something like that

688
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,960
or some small building that the county wants to put.

689
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:40,400
So I just want to put it in a nutshell what we are here for.

690
00:56:40,740 --> 00:56:43,820
And there is anything that SpaceX

691
00:56:43,820 --> 00:56:44,900
would like to add to that.

692
00:56:45,580 --> 00:56:46,440
Please go ahead.

693
00:56:47,780 --> 00:56:51,220
We're mainly concerned about mitigation,

694
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:55,440
and making sure that our dune structures are protected.

695
00:56:55,980 --> 00:56:56,560
Thank you.

696
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:58,740
Thank you for the opportunity to come up here and speak.

697
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,740
My name is Carolyn Wood.

698
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:03,100
I am an environmental regulatory engineer there at SpaceX,

699
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,040
and also a Brownsville native as well.

700
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,820
I do have a small presentation.

701
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:09,120
If you all would be open to that,

702
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,640
I'd love to be able to take this opportunity.

703
00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:12,160
Please go ahead.

704
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,600
Thank you, I

705
00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:28,790
just want to make sure that everybody online is able to see the presentation

706
00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:35,140
Okay,

707
00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:55,360
I'm at this point now

708
00:57:56,540 --> 00:58:02,000
Okay, thank you. So I wanted to take this opportunity just to share some information that may not necessarily be included

709
00:58:02,780 --> 00:58:09,180
You know first and foremost in the application, but wanted to provide what a the view would look like from

710
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:16,720
Highway 4 there you see the roundabout and then also the proposed construction there at the site

711
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:29,180
Also, just to show you some other perspectives as well from Boca Chica Beach, looking westward,

712
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,880
as well as the image in the top right or top left as far as the launch pad and then the

713
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,000
beachfront there.

714
00:58:40,110 --> 00:58:42,780
This is pulled directly from the application itself.

715
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:50,400
You'll see the Cameron County Praisel District, the CAD information property owners, as well

716
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:56,540
as the location in regards to the launch pad, the shoreline, and the adjacent property

717
00:58:56,540 --> 00:58:56,940
owners.

718
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:08,710
So the ASU development site itself, as you can see the orange area and the pink encompasses

719
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:11,310
the entire tract of 4.2 acres.

720
00:59:12,050 --> 00:59:15,870
The development area is only the 1.66 acres.

721
00:59:15,870 --> 00:59:20,250
So it is not the entirety of the tract, it's only a portion of it, as you can see there.

722
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:26,650
I wanted to provide some additional distances as well from the edge of the road.

723
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:29,670
The ASU is approximately 140 feet.

724
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:35,010
The distance of the ASU to the shoreline is approximately 515 feet,

725
00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:36,750
and then of course the dimensions itself.

726
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:46,170
in stories or you would see that the 159 feet is approximately 14-15 stories

727
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:53,570
which is so much smaller than the actual launch tower itself. Just for

728
00:59:53,570 --> 00:59:54,350
perspective.

729
00:59:56,590 --> 00:59:59,090
So what is an air separation plant?

730
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,900
Air separation plants are facilities that take an ordinary air and separate it into its main components, oxygen and nitrogen.

731
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:13,980
They cool these components to their gaseous or liquid states using a process that is also known as cryogenic distillation.

732
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:24,280
These plants exist all over the world and are critical to producing oxygen and nitrogen for industries such as medical food production, manufacturing and energy.

733
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:32,860
This process of cryogenic distillation does not use any chemical processing or produce any regulated emissions.

734
01:00:34,340 --> 01:00:41,180
With an on-site ASU, SpaceX will be able to eliminate hundreds of trucks per month and be globally more efficient.

735
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,420
So why do we need one?

736
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:50,180
So Starship uses liquid oxygen as a propellant and liquid nitrogen for testing and operations.

737
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,620
We currently truck in all of these commodities, and we store them on site in tanks.

738
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:02,420
For each Starship launch, we need about over 200 trucks of liquid oxygen and nitrogen to be brought in.

739
01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:08,940
This ASU would help reduce approximately 75% of truck traffic.

740
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:15,880
When we go to five to 25 launches, this becomes really infeasible due to traffic and time limitations.

741
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,720
Tracking in the product is also inefficient.

742
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,280
As the product would boil off,

743
01:01:22,340 --> 01:01:24,640
we lose a lot of that during handling and transport.

744
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:30,460
So with an onsite ASU SpaceX will eliminate the hundreds of trucks per month

745
01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:32,280
and again be more globally efficient.

746
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:37,320
Having this ASU so close to the site will ensure product quality

747
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:42,760
and reduce environmental impact from tracking or piping product over those long distances.

748
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:48,790
I know there are some questions about the dune and vegetation mitigation boundary.

749
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:54,330
That area has been identified and approved by GLO as well as Cameron County.

750
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:57,530
As identified here, you see the 1.6 acres.

751
01:01:58,670 --> 01:02:04,550
We have strategically proposed the placement of these dunes as well as vegetation, working

752
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:11,290
with the third party vendor to ensure that there is long-standing viability for these

753
01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:11,770
plants.

754
01:02:11,770 --> 01:02:12,890
This

755
01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:17,630
is also pulled from the application itself,

756
01:02:17,890 --> 01:02:19,630
the summary of the estimated quantities,

757
01:02:19,850 --> 01:02:22,390
the description of the plants themselves,

758
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:24,870
which are native to that area.

759
01:02:24,970 --> 01:02:29,910
We don't want to introduce any sort of invasive species out there,

760
01:02:30,090 --> 01:02:33,970
but you can see there that the soil or dune displacement,

761
01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:36,130
as well as the vegetative cover,

762
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:37,910
which we understand is important.

763
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:45,310
Another aspect is also acoustic mitigation.

764
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:49,550
Noise levels are anticipated to be directly at the plant,

765
01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:53,330
similar to what you would experience with a vacuum cleaner or a hairdryer.

766
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:57,250
These levels drop quickly within a few hundred feet

767
01:02:57,250 --> 01:02:59,850
and are back down to normal conversation levels.

768
01:03:00,690 --> 01:03:03,810
In most cases, the natural sound of the beach, such as the wind and the waves,

769
01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:05,630
could be more noticeable.

770
01:03:06,790 --> 01:03:12,270
Also, in addition to mitigating for these types of sounds,

771
01:03:12,270 --> 01:03:17,230
we've actually gone ahead and we'll be enclosing the structure itself so

772
01:03:17,230 --> 01:03:21,090
everywhere else in the world they're open they're not enclosed here we're

773
01:03:21,090 --> 01:03:26,130
going to actually go ahead and enclose it so it does go ahead and muffle or

774
01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:28,670
mitigate for that that sound and

775
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,640
that's it I just wanted to take that

776
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,720
opportunity to be able to provide some additional information for you all

777
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,820
today so I have one question yes sir beach access which is one of our

778
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:48,180
per view. So you're saying how many trucks are rolling in right now?

779
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:56,420
Approximately based on this past year about 200. And this unit will result in

780
01:03:56,420 --> 01:04:00,360
how many trucks? We'll be taking it when if you do the math it would be approximately

781
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,920
200 that would be removed about 75% of that. How often do you have to bring

782
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:12,180
the trucks in for every launch so this wouldn't negatively impact beach access

783
01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:17,960
in fact it may help with the traffic correct correct construction itself

784
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,860
there is no anticipated impact to beach access that of course all sort of

785
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:27,100
construction is off of the road but then also lessening the truck traffic

786
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:32,140
will allow for you know less congestion on that road yes sir the 4.2

787
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:34,960
that you have beach word of this development.

788
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:37,420
Will the dunes on that be impacted?

789
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,060
Not anywhere near the,

790
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,420
it'll be out of the building setback line.

791
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:44,200
So correct.

792
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:44,920
That was your second slide.

793
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:45,720
Pardon me?

794
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:46,800
That was your second slide?

795
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,180
Correct.

796
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:47,720
Okay.

797
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,980
So that the dune structure in that area

798
01:04:49,980 --> 01:04:50,840
will not be impacted.

799
01:04:51,220 --> 01:04:51,600
Correct.

800
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:52,600
That would be super.

801
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,480
You won't have construction material there

802
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:55,660
and rocks rolling.

803
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:55,960
No, sir.

804
01:04:56,140 --> 01:04:57,200
That will not be touched.

805
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:58,040
All right.

806
01:04:58,940 --> 01:05:00,360
That's all the questions I have.

807
01:05:01,140 --> 01:05:04,120
Yes ma'am through

808
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:08,800
an underground conveyance.

809
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,200
Yes ma'am. Correct. There shouldn't be any sort of

810
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:26,160
disruption for traffic flow at that point.

811
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,620
Correct. There should be no interruption of

812
01:05:34,620 --> 01:05:35,620
access to the beach.

813
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:11,500
Right. So good question. So a lot of the any sort of safety consideration

814
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:15,360
You know, these are built with safety inherently in mind.

815
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,860
ASUs, they don't use any chemicals or any solvents,

816
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:22,160
and they do have safety mechanisms

817
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,560
designed to increase safety itself.

818
01:06:25,860 --> 01:06:27,240
So these structures have been designed to meet

819
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:28,560
all of these code requirements

820
01:06:29,010 --> 01:06:30,300
in order to ensure that safety.

821
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,160
I think the question was,

822
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,920
can people still be out there enjoying the beach?

823
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:37,440
Yes.

824
01:06:37,660 --> 01:06:38,560
I guess that's my question.

825
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:39,020
Yes.

826
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:39,960
Yes, ma'am.

827
01:06:43,230 --> 01:06:44,470
Yes, ma'am.

828
01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:56,610
Can't hear the questions.

829
01:07:01,100 --> 01:07:11,570
Is the production of the fuel, when the ASU is in production, does it create any kind of emissions that may be harmful to people?

830
01:07:12,350 --> 01:07:18,730
No, but I do have two of our experts that can be able to answer that question more better than I can.

831
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:22,050
Sterling or Rylan?

832
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:35,890
Yeah. Can you all hear me all right? Yes. Yes. Yes. So the ASU will only vent things

833
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:42,750
that have been pulled out of the air already. So there are no vents that were not already

834
01:07:42,750 --> 01:07:50,390
constituents of the air. So it will only be oxygen or nitrogen in terms of emissions.

835
01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:54,350
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

836
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:57,420
Yes, sir.

837
01:08:04,140 --> 01:08:07,840
Methane. Pardon me? The other portion

838
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:14,780
of it is binary. You have oxygen and another, is it methane? Yes, sir. Methane is the other

839
01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:19,980
part. Where is it going to be trucked in? Yes, sir. That is still going to be trucked

840
01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:20,100
in.

841
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:31,160
There was mention of the 20 small foundations, concrete foundations. Are those pipe stanchions

842
01:08:32,140 --> 01:08:37,240
What are those 20 small pipe concrete foundations?

843
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:42,480
I do have another expert here that can speak to you about that cow.

844
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:43,620
Are you available?

845
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:45,560
Yeah.

846
01:08:45,740 --> 01:08:46,440
Good afternoon everybody.

847
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:47,260
Can you hear me all right?

848
01:08:48,220 --> 01:08:48,780
Yes.

849
01:08:48,980 --> 01:08:49,360
Please go ahead.

850
01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:50,400
Yeah.

851
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:56,020
So those foundations shown in the application are basically a mass slab.

852
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:02,020
So, kind of a, you know, typical concrete slab, roughly two feet thick.

853
01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:05,360
I didn't see them on the plot plans.

854
01:09:07,850 --> 01:09:11,050
That's represented by the boxes labeled as structures.

855
01:09:11,750 --> 01:09:12,070
I see.

856
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,020
Cal, what's your last name?

857
01:09:16,140 --> 01:09:19,660
I'm sorry, everybody has to kind of state who they are.

858
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,000
Cal Lawsland.

859
01:09:26,140 --> 01:09:26,500
All right.

860
01:09:26,620 --> 01:09:28,260
Any other questions from the committee members?

861
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:34,220
Any other comments from you all?

862
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:35,640
I have one more.

863
01:09:35,900 --> 01:09:36,160
Yes, ma'am.

864
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:42,320
I'm trying to understand, so there's a thousand linear feet that you all are working within, right?

865
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,120
Yes ma'am.

866
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:44,720
They do protect you.

867
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,220
Is that currently, are they, they're dunes in that area?

868
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:52,080
From the mean high tide line through the, yes ma'am.

869
01:09:52,920 --> 01:10:01,320
So we're gonna, I think I wrote it down, so we're moving 290 cubic yards of sand out?

870
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,120
Correct.

871
01:10:02,340 --> 01:10:03,500
That's what I think I saw on your slide.

872
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:03,820
Correct.

873
01:10:05,130 --> 01:10:12,770
So how are we gonna like what are we gonna do to you know there's there's

874
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:19,190
wildlife on there there's maybe some animals what are we doing to offset that

875
01:10:20,150 --> 01:10:27,410
or to mitigate right. So the the soil will be mitigated for off-site over at

876
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:31,730
that dune that other portion of property on the south side of highway 4

877
01:10:31,730 --> 01:10:39,530
That includes, the application includes mitigation for DUNE as well as vegetation.

878
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:47,220
My assumption is you would be hiring an expert to do the mitigation.

879
01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:48,020
Yes, sir.

880
01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:48,660
Yes, sir.

881
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,420
A third-party expert on that.

882
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:57,420
The accordance with the GLO recommendations, GLO specifies very strictly on what they

883
01:10:57,420 --> 01:11:02,600
want and then they come into some inspections to make sure it's fulfilled

884
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,080
and normally it's beyond the scope of any person like myself or SpaceX to go

885
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:14,160
ahead and do that we just hire an expert or a company that does that for us so

886
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,980
my assumption is that you'd be hiring somebody like that that is correct yes

887
01:11:17,980 --> 01:11:21,100
So, the

888
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:38,480
way it's done is that Cameron County is held responsible for making the inspections and reporting to the state that they are in compliance.

889
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:39,800
Am I right Auguste?

890
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:40,780
That is correct.

891
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:41,260
Yeah.

892
01:11:41,580 --> 01:11:46,980
And if the state says the state will come down and do an inspection, I'm certain they'll come and do an inspection on this one.

893
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:47,860
Yeah.

894
01:11:49,260 --> 01:11:54,820
But what do we do to make sure that the public understands that mitigation has actually occurred,

895
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:57,700
because the rest of it is administrative.

896
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:01,760
You have folks here that want to know how things are happening, so how do they know?

897
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:08,440
Right now there's no specific mechanism for that, Ms. Martinez,

898
01:12:08,780 --> 01:12:17,400
but our department can make an effort to keep some sort of dashboard out there

899
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:23,180
with all the permits that we have issued and what's the status of that, of that sort, that's

900
01:12:23,180 --> 01:12:26,420
something that, you know, the Department of Resilience and Natural Resources wants to

901
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:31,620
do, wants to do, not only for beach, beach, beachfront construction permits, but for drainage

902
01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:34,080
restoration and the other stuff that we do.

903
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,240
So that's, that, that would be in the plans.

904
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:39,340
The public wants us to close the loop.

905
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:40,100
Of course.

906
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:43,520
You want to know, okay, they took action, they did this, okay, now what happened?

907
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,420
They want to make sure there's a, they want to make sure that we're accountable.

908
01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:49,600
And not just the committee but the court itself.

909
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:55,260
So I think it would be a good thing to do for the public to report back out.

910
01:12:55,700 --> 01:13:05,620
I absolutely agree and we will make sure that my department includes that into the outreach and the reporting that we do.

911
01:13:08,110 --> 01:13:08,950
Can I ask another?

912
01:13:09,170 --> 01:13:09,510
Absolutely.

913
01:13:09,790 --> 01:13:14,190
And I want to direct it to SpaceX, kind of related but not exactly.

914
01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:23,910
but how do you all ensure or understand what the impact of your footprint is to the environment out there?

915
01:13:24,490 --> 01:13:28,690
Do you all periodically look at how things are changing out there?

916
01:13:29,150 --> 01:13:38,830
Or do we know how things are impacting positively or negatively or not at all, the environment, the birds, the habitat out there?

917
01:13:39,130 --> 01:13:40,970
Do you all look at that periodically?

918
01:13:41,770 --> 01:13:46,590
Yes, I can speak directly for this particular project, but yes, there's been careful planning

919
01:13:46,590 --> 01:13:51,210
and consideration, not only with engineers, but also through mitigation to ensure that

920
01:13:51,210 --> 01:13:55,870
this plan does meet those Texas administrative code rules with General Land Office as well

921
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:59,390
as the county plan to ensure that we're meeting all of that.

922
01:13:59,650 --> 01:14:00,130
So yes, ma'am.

923
01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:10,950
I'm talking more globally, the company out there, because your operation, it's just

924
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:12,590
a completely different entity.

925
01:14:13,330 --> 01:14:15,730
So how do you keep track of that?

926
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:18,370
And we're stakeholders, you know, the public,

927
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:20,270
we're all stakeholders out there.

928
01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:25,010
So I'm asking the question more globally.

929
01:14:25,170 --> 01:14:26,930
How do you ensure that you're minimizing

930
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:29,110
a negative impact on the environment out there?

931
01:14:29,550 --> 01:14:34,430
So there's a different list of that information available.

932
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:37,670
I'd wanna be able to provide you the best answer possible

933
01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:43,230
and so I'd have to direct you to those experts on that and I can, you know, get that information

934
01:14:43,230 --> 01:14:45,030
or direct you to them for that.

935
01:14:45,310 --> 01:14:49,590
I think it would be a good thing for you guys to do that with the public, you know, to just

936
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:50,390
get information out.

937
01:14:50,650 --> 01:14:54,910
I think the public would be very interested in understanding all of that.

938
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:56,090
Thank you.

939
01:14:57,090 --> 01:14:59,790
I think it's part of the emotion on this.

940
01:15:00,370 --> 01:15:08,350
You could ask for that, that they report to us on a bi-weekly, on this process that they're doing on the den mitigation.

941
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:22,030
Even something like an annual report, you know, I know that companies put out economic impact statements that are very important and, you know, so folks want to know what is the positive impact of a company like this to the, to the economy.

942
01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:27,490
Well, a complementary report would be, how does it impact the environment?

943
01:15:28,110 --> 01:15:30,470
So I would just like to suggest that.

944
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,460
Yeah, communication is key, I guess.

945
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,520
All right, any other comments or questions from the committee?

946
01:15:42,710 --> 01:15:45,050
I'd look for a motion from the committee.

947
01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:48,750
Anybody would like to make a motion?

948
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,460
And then if we get a second, of course, we can have further discussion.

949
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:09,380
I'm sorry. I'm looking for a motion from the committee on this particular item.

950
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:18,460
Motion would permit further discussion.

951
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,740
A second would, yeah.

952
01:16:26,230 --> 01:16:27,330
Can you turn that on?

953
01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:33,710
I motion to approve the permit for the beachfront construction certificate.

954
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:42,640
I can second that, but I would just like to add that there's periodic reporting to this committee

955
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:47,000
and the Commissioner's Court about the progress of the Dune Mitigation Plan.

956
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,000
If that's okay with you, if you could change that motion to that, I can second that.

957
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:54,760
Are you good with that? You can say that, and is that okay?

958
01:16:56,940 --> 01:17:06,860
She made a motion that we approve the Dune Protection or recommend approval to the

959
01:17:06,860 --> 01:17:14,750
Commissioner's Court with the condition that we get periodic reporting on this

960
01:17:14,750 --> 01:17:17,310
particular on the progress of the mitigation.

961
01:17:17,570 --> 01:17:19,250
You already said you already get that.

962
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,500
Okay, I have motion and a second discussion.

963
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,220
Any other questions, discussion?

964
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:32,200
Please go ahead.

965
01:17:33,020 --> 01:17:34,620
Does the committee members have any questions?

966
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,320
All right, hearing none, we'll take a vote.

967
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:42,800
All in favor say aye.

968
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:44,400
Aye.

969
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:49,960
Okay, can you?

970
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:51,960
Yes, does the aye.

971
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,500
I'll need a yes or no?

972
01:17:56,980 --> 01:17:59,240
When you vote, can you please speak into the microphone?

973
01:18:00,220 --> 01:18:02,660
President, I'm President, so he's upstanding.

974
01:18:05,330 --> 01:18:06,650
I'm sorry, what's your name?

975
01:18:07,690 --> 01:18:07,850
No.

976
01:18:08,210 --> 01:18:11,590
Okay, we have one no, one abstention, and three, four, the motion passes.

977
01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:12,330
Thank you.

978
01:18:13,570 --> 01:18:14,390
We'll move on to the...

979
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:16,130
Oh, my goodness.

980
01:18:17,290 --> 01:18:17,570
All right.

981
01:18:17,710 --> 01:18:19,730
Are you fucking kidding me, Rosemary?

982
01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:21,370
Can you mute that, please?

983
01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:25,610
Can you please mute all the participants or participants?

984
01:18:26,290 --> 01:18:26,730
Thank you.

985
01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:30,990
Thank you very much. Any other business? Move on to the next item.

986
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:33,990
All right. Hearing no other business, we'll adjourn.

987
01:18:34,110 --> 01:18:36,090
Thank you very much. You'll have a great July 4th.

988
01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:38,770
Mr. Chairman, we need a motion to adjourn.

989
01:18:39,670 --> 01:18:41,750
Motion to adjourn. So moved.

990
01:18:42,570 --> 01:18:44,150
Motion second. All in favor say aye.

991
01:18:44,350 --> 01:18:44,570
Aye.

992
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:46,770
All right. Meeting is adjourned. Thank you.