1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,919 things functioning on that day-to-day basis and I think overall it would just 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:13,839 be a good addition for the community um again remember that it is a different 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:19,000 position than what the city manager was and that's really all I had to say 4 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:37,719 and I think now we're just going to let the city administrators give us a little 5 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,640 overview of what they do and what um it represents to 6 00:00:43,239 --> 00:00:50,039 them hello everybody thanks for having us uh out here 7 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,079 tonight um I'm just going to introduce myself maybe we should just introduce 8 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:57,800 ourselves give a quick background my name is Justin wiland I'm the current 9 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:04,439 city administrator for the city of te I've been there for about a year now um 10 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:10,000 te I'm the second uh that the city of te has had they had an individual there was 11 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:16,119 there about 5 years before myself and so te is kind of new to getting a city 12 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:20,280 administrator uh kind of ingrained within the organization of the city and 13 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:27,240 in the community uh but before that I was in the city of Del Rapids for uh 14 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:33,439 almost 14 years uh great Community really similar in in in kind of size and 15 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:39,320 scope and function and history and everything of that nature between Canton 16 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:46,759 and and Del Rapids um you know Del Rapids uh has had a city administrator 17 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:51,759 in place for I would say almost 30 years uh I was there 14 and there's a few 18 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:57,159 before me and and and I think it would be a really good Community to look 19 00:01:53,640 --> 00:02:01,039 towards as well as uh as is the way that that Community has been managed and 20 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:08,200 really thrived with having that point person in place um prior to being in uh 21 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:14,760 darap is I was also in lennu for a few years uh I was in lennu when the uh when 22 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:20,080 when the City of Canton still had the city manager form of government and uh 23 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:25,800 you had a really great city manager at that time ay Nelson who's been married 24 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:29,400 is now in unon and in my perspective really worked well between Lennox and 25 00:02:27,519 --> 00:02:34,319 Canton at that time and really felt that may had brought some uh some really 26 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:39,599 great things to this community so Canton I guess was what I'd say has had that 27 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:43,599 experience of having you know the city manager for government we'll get into 28 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:47,920 this later different than a city administrator uh but really I just kind 29 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:52,920 of categorize all of those things as just a professional local government 30 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,959 manager similar to what you know we talked about this on the drive up here 31 00:02:54,480 --> 00:03:01,519 it's kind of similar to what a superintendent does they just help kind 32 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:06,080 of clarify and manage uh your your elected officials and and your community 33 00:03:03,799 --> 00:03:12,920 and your staff um uh I I'm just I'm from South Dakota 34 00:03:09,959 --> 00:03:17,360 grew up in Madison went to USD received both my uh undergraduate and graduate 35 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:22,840 masters of public administration from from USB um but I really applaud uh the 36 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:27,120 mayor and councel and everyone for really looking at this for this 37 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:32,480 community I've been an advocate of of this professional local government for 38 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:36,560 you know 25 years now since I was in college at 39 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:42,360 USB these things really these positions weren't a part of the fabric of the 40 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:47,720 state 20 years ago in the early 2000s um I sit around a table of about 41 00:03:45,799 --> 00:03:52,680 eight city managers throughout the state you had Yankton and Vermillion and and 42 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Brookings and and and a few other communities delics was one of those as 43 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:03,680 well and now this this this we consider it a profession is really blossom 44 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:07,720 and and there's communities of of, 1500 uh all the way up to the size of aine 45 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:13,319 that has have a professional government manager uh at at the helm in these 46 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:17,320 communities and really I feel it just really the communities that have them 47 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,560 you look at them you look at where they are today and I attribute a lot of that 48 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:26,400 to the the just the way those communities are managed um again I 49 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:30,360 applaud campon uh the one other thing I just want to say before I pass it on we 50 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:35,400 kind of talking for a while here already um is 51 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:41,120 that you can go through this process you can commit to doing and hiring someone 52 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:45,240 uh for your community and you and you can be sold on wanting to do that you 53 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:51,560 need to find the right individual the the person who sits in 54 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:56,560 that office has to be able to connect with your community connect with your 55 00:04:53,960 --> 00:05:03,400 with your uh staff connect with your councel uh really find a way to get 56 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:07,320 ingrain in your community so you you can that's to me that's what matters you got 57 00:05:05,039 --> 00:05:12,120 to find someone that fits with that you you'll have success in these positions 58 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:17,199 so um other than that I'd like to just turn it I guess I'll pass it 59 00:05:14,039 --> 00:05:22,400 on thanks J my name is D bot I'm the city administrator in Linux I've been in 60 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:26,800 Linux for just about six years now six years in December uh since I started 61 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,720 there uh that was my this is my first post in local government I that time 62 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:36,960 nonprofit and uh federal government for that um 63 00:05:34,919 --> 00:05:41,039 and I'm I'm just excited that K is having this discussion I really am uh 64 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:46,759 you know this is something that uh all three of us really truly believe uh for 65 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:51,400 a variety of communities for a variety of reasons is the right way to go uh to 66 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:54,479 have professional local government management uh and the reason we believe 67 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:58,840 that is because we've seen what it can do for local government uh and 68 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:03,080 professionalizing everything getting making uh everything more consistent 69 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:09,560 making sure uh the elected officials have consistent advice uh and uh solid 70 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:14,560 communication uh so they know what's going on uh you know a variety of of 71 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:20,840 reasons there uh and that's just a few of them uh my my background is in uh I 72 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:24,840 grew up in Iowa not far from here it's kind of a halfway point for me I grew up 73 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:30,240 in Orton City and Su Center a little bit in northern Michigan for a few years uh 74 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:35,000 it's college at Dort over in s Center and uh worked for a few years ended 75 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:39,479 upating my masters at Iowa State University I will make sure I mention 76 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:47,479 because it is B that I a Hawkeye by heart only my tuition went to Iowa State 77 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,479 despite last week show 78 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:54,919 my um but you know i' I've known camp for a long time this this has been our 79 00:06:52,919 --> 00:07:00,800 route toall when I was growing up I was in high school college uh and it's just 80 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:04,520 an exciting time see this discussion happening uh and we're I'm happy to be 81 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:09,919 here to be a part of that discussion out whenever information I can at what this 82 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:17,400 look hi everybody my name is James Barth I'm the city administrator in Madison 83 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:21,240 South Dakota first off apologies for being a couple minutes late I left 84 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:24,319 Madison with enough time but Universe didn't want me to be here on time there 85 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,160 was an accident on the interstate fortunately I was not invol but it slow 86 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,919 us down a little bit so a little bit of background myself I grew up in e South 87 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Dakota north central part of the state I call it God's country I don't know if 88 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,680 you guys call it down here um but I grew up in a small town I went to South 89 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:43,520 Dakota State and then went on to Syracuse my masters in public administra 90 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:48,680 administration um I've spent eight years in the profession now so I've had three 91 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:51,599 years in Madison I been the first city Minister that they've had they have a 92 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:55,199 city Commission in form of government which I know is is something that you're 93 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,960 like official they very keen on learning how that worked for Madison as they 94 00:07:56,919 --> 00:08:02,479 started up their administrator so I'm the first there I joke that I'm the 95 00:08:00,759 --> 00:08:06,520 worst administrator they've ever had because it's true um I'm the mean medium 96 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:10,039 in mod and from the first and last so far and it's been a great Community been 97 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,919 very happy there they've been very welcoming to me to my position and it's 98 00:08:12,039 --> 00:08:18,759 really been a great thing for for Madison before that I was in B South 99 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:23,360 Dakota just W some Brookings a few miles for about five years I was the second 100 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:27,120 ministrator they had up there and also a pretty good set up for their 101 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:30,879 organization something I emphasize with the couple of your elect officials that 102 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:35,240 you have here um and I will emphasize with the group here is that we're happy 103 00:08:32,919 --> 00:08:39,159 to sit here and answer questions and and talk about how we feel the profession 104 00:08:37,479 --> 00:08:44,399 works and how it could work in the City of Canton or answer however we we feel 105 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:49,080 best but this is really canton's public for this is your time to learn about how 106 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:53,920 City administrative form Works ask questions express your doubts concerns 107 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,120 uh we might be able to liate those we might be able to agree with them if I 108 00:08:55,519 --> 00:09:01,440 think something might be a drawback I'm going to going to call it out that way 109 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:05,640 this your public forum same for your likeed officials and we're just happy to 110 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:09,680 uh contribute however we can to this discussion thanks for coming it's good 111 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:15,320 to see a good public input and involvement in this this process thank 112 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:20,279 you um I have 30 questions tonight and I'll um read them and you can fight over 113 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:25,040 who you want to answer these question or you 15 for Justin 15 for D no that's not 114 00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:30,240 how that works okay the first question is I have 115 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:34,920 heard there is a the Cota legal definition for the city administrator 116 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:39,399 versus city manager if this is true I would like to know the difference and or 117 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:43,680 similarities and why the city administrative form of government was 118 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:51,120 selected maybe a good place to start with the difference between 119 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:56,480 administrators and managers please guys jump in um if you do you feel like it so 120 00:09:54,959 --> 00:10:00,320 city manager Forum which is something that that c is more familiar with city 121 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:05,480 manager generally have more Authority than administrators they have the 122 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:09,519 ability to hire persons to to terminate uh persons as needed um to have a lot 123 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:14,040 more authority over day-to-day operations whereas administrators 124 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:18,519 administrate the action from their like the body in your case the commission um 125 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:23,120 so they they do a lot of the same things but those managers kind of have the next 126 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:27,240 level of authority um but they still have to operate within the the budget 127 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:33,880 constraints and all the other ordinance and policies that they like 128 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:41,200 for administrators very much have to U implement the exact direction of of the 129 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:46,200 like to body and follow whatever is that looking to do um think that kind of 130 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:49,720 covers the difference of a little bit uh as far as why this form was selected I 131 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,760 would have to defer that to the Canton folks they're the ones that are 132 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:58,240 proposing this this ordinance that would set this up um and ultimately for the 133 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:01,240 the community to join that discussion does that the question 134 00:11:01,959 --> 00:11:09,079 that guys you know I I think pretty much H it there Jameson the the difference is 135 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:13,279 really I mean there is differences or there are differences in what state code 136 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:16,800 says about city managers and City administrators but most of that comes 137 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:20,440 down to what Authority they have uh the reporting structure is still the same 138 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:28,320 they still report to the council uh but managers have more authority to take 139 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:28,320 definitive action an administrator now 140 00:11:30,279 --> 00:11:38,200 okay the second question is how can we afford an administrator and how will the 141 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:42,399 position be paid for and how is the city administrator's salary funded I don't 142 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:47,639 know if you guys it's budgeted already for next year 143 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:52,440 so um it's already in the budget for next 144 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:59,600 year so how it's funed you think that you save you save 145 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,600 enough money to pay for your salar 146 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:09,120 I yeah that question is coming up so if you have no comments I will 147 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:14,399 move on to number three what will the Commissioners do if we have an 148 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,600 administrator what what kind of what does that look for for for the 149 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,480 Commissioners what do they do if we have an 150 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,959 administrator yeah I'll I'll tackle this since I come from a commission form 151 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:27,399 currently um so commission form operates a little differently than alanic which 152 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:32,680 both of you would would be under and my previous city was under um with with 153 00:12:29,959 --> 00:12:36,480 with any form I'll start there the the elected officials are the ones driving 154 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:40,920 the ship they're the ones pointing in the direction setting that vision for 155 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:45,639 where they want the community to go and the city administrator is the one that 156 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:49,720 has to U has to get you there they're the ones um working with the staff 157 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:54,120 implementing that vision and moving things forward um I think the the 158 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:58,680 interesting part about City commission form is since that's set up in State 159 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:02,519 Statute where you have five distinct bodies 160 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:09,079 or individuals with five areas that they have to oversee 161 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:13,639 um I I think the challenging thing that I have seen coming into Madison was when 162 00:13:11,639 --> 00:13:18,079 you have a commission form without an administrator you you some ways are 163 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:23,839 having five different organizations you have five different bosses leading the 164 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:26,079 same city and potentially five different directions hopefully they're 165 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:29,839 communicating with each other and moving in the same direction but those are five 166 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,680 individuals that have authority over different parts of the city and the 167 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:37,519 staff have to follow their commissioner that doesn't mean that they're heading 168 00:13:34,839 --> 00:13:42,920 in the same direction at all and those five elected officials by state law 169 00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:47,320 can't get together and talk in groups of of three unless it's in an official 170 00:13:45,079 --> 00:13:50,480 meeting so you're you're trying to run the same organization you can't talk to 171 00:13:48,959 --> 00:13:54,600 each other you can't even email two other elected officials because those 172 00:13:52,839 --> 00:13:58,680 emails are public records which constitute quum and and just aren't 173 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:02,720 allowed by state law so there was definitely challenge I felt like there 174 00:14:00,839 --> 00:14:07,920 and for the staff that that I communicated with coming into Madison 175 00:14:05,079 --> 00:14:11,440 there was significant challenges in turn over for elected officials they have a 176 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:15,399 new boss that comes in every 3 years or maybe six years or maybe they just 177 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,240 Shuffle position so the finance commissioner now the utilities 178 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,680 commissioner and now they've got a different way of thinking they've got 179 00:14:19,839 --> 00:14:25,839 different boss that has different direction they want to go in so it was 180 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:30,959 very difficult on staff and and I felt that they were not able to to be grown 181 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:35,199 in the way that was best for the organization and ultimately they were 182 00:14:33,079 --> 00:14:41,040 always sitting under heels waiting for their elected official to tell them what 183 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:45,360 to do and and and and one of my biggest focuses being a Madison since then has 184 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:50,000 been to grow my staff is I want to be able to uh myself leave for for a week 185 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:53,959 or for a vacation or or have my Like official out of town for a few days and 186 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:58,680 have challenges and problems come up and have my staff tackle have them be the 187 00:14:57,279 --> 00:15:02,120 able to have the initiative and the Capac 188 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:07,120 and confidence so they can handle things on their own and the wisdom to know when 189 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:11,279 they can hand something and bring it to me um so for the commissioner former 190 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,639 government I feel like the city ministrator has been able to really 191 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:18,759 bring those five different areas of the city together which were very much stos 192 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:22,320 you had the cement walls between them they had different bosses um and and try 193 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:26,440 to break those down get people to work more collaboratively more efficiently 194 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:32,759 and U and ultimately bring the city forward in in 195 00:15:29,639 --> 00:15:36,839 a better way um State Statute does make it a little more challenging for SE 196 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:41,199 administrator in commission form versus a alderic form I think that's why your 197 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:45,000 elected officials have the ordinance that they are looking at to set it up an 198 00:15:42,959 --> 00:15:50,240 ordinance to state that the elected officials are hiring this administrator 199 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:53,920 to handle the day-to-day operations and take some of that that heavy 200 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:57,880 responsibility from them while making sure that those elect officials are 201 00:15:55,720 --> 00:16:01,440 still the ones that are providing that direction setting the Vision doing 202 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:05,240 strategic thinking they're not necessarily thinking about h on First 203 00:16:03,399 --> 00:16:09,959 Street but they're thinking about how do we improve our infrastructure um over 204 00:16:08,079 --> 00:16:15,319 the next 20 years to make sure that our city is U meeting the needes try to 205 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:20,319 think like officials to a higher level versus uh complaints which are very 206 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:24,160 important some of you have probably called in your city as you should if you 207 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:28,480 got you've got problems to file a complaint or Express a concern as you 208 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:32,079 should and as administrator I can work with myff staff to make sure the people 209 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:35,040 that can fill that pothole are the ones taking those calls and going to fill 210 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:40,680 that pothole rather than elected official who has potentially a full-time 211 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:45,040 job a family other things that that uh that prevent them from jumping on the 212 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:50,360 First Street to fix that PO that answer the 213 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:53,480 question I rambled a lot there no that was that was really good Jameson I think 214 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,160 you bring that experience with the commission 215 00:16:54,480 --> 00:17:02,920 form um you know we're all doing the same thing we're all trying to manage 216 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:09,839 the taxpayers funds and and and give the community uh what what what what their 217 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:15,799 wishes are for in this community uh the I guess one of the things I would say 218 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:19,559 about what the commission would do is uh they would keep doing what they were 219 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:23,799 doing U but how many times does the commission sit in in a in a in a 220 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:27,720 commission meeting and and kind of look at each other and say well well how are 221 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:33,360 we going to get this done you know when you have that 222 00:17:29,559 --> 00:17:38,799 professional that's uh interpreted as an expert in a lot of these fields you have 223 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:44,240 someone there that can turn around and go get it done for you find the ways to 224 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:48,160 to get that project done that you've been trying to get done for the last 225 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:52,559 five years find the funding sources coordinate with the state agencies you 226 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:57,480 know I I think that that's where a lot of these communities lack is the is the 227 00:17:55,360 --> 00:18:00,520 Commissioners have full-time jobs you know they go to that commission meeting 228 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,880 at night try to get things done and then they're sprinkling in during their work 229 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,760 we trying to do stuff and it's hard to be consistent if you got someone there 230 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:13,039 40 50 hours a week that can help coordinate these things you get to the 231 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:17,440 finish line on a lot of the the projects and ideas that the community is is is 232 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,559 searching for I think those are all great points 233 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:27,799 and one of the things that Jameson mentioned um is something similar to our 234 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:32,440 experience with lenux when when um I'm sure experienced this being the first 235 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:36,480 one in L and I experienced it as well is sometimes you get into this this this 236 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:41,159 culture where everything is complaint driven like we're we're responding to 237 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:45,720 complaints on this problem uh there's this issue over on this area the park 238 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:49,240 looks uh bad the trash wasn't empty whatever it might be and it's a 239 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:54,919 challenge to go from that from that complaint driven work to u a very 240 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:58,840 proactive it just happens kind of culture and that was one of those things 241 00:18:56,679 --> 00:19:03,679 that that we tried to tackle as well moving from uh you know we we wanted 242 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:08,480 people to wake up on a snowy day with the streets already ploud and and not 243 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:12,840 have to think about the streets it just happens you know those things are 244 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:17,799 coordinated and and it's not that those things don't happen in towns without 245 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:23,280 professional government management uh when you've got uh one person kind of 246 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:26,120 coordinating everything instead of said different Commissioners that babies 247 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,720 maybe see things a different way from each other it just add a lot consist to 248 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:37,440 the process okay thanks um what will the 249 00:19:35,159 --> 00:19:44,280 return on investment be for with an administrator will the position be 250 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,280 eliminated if it doesn't pay for 251 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:52,000 itself um we we did get a chance to kind of see 252 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:57,120 some of these questions in advance so I had to had an opportunity to think about 253 00:19:53,840 --> 00:20:03,440 that and I think that's a very common uh U way to do these going in into these 254 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:09,520 positions and I would say without a doubt every year that I have uh been a 255 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:16,960 city administrator whatever Community I was in uh I I believe that I Justified 256 00:20:13,559 --> 00:20:22,480 my cost through efficiency in the in in the in what we were doing by catching 257 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:27,200 things in advance that might have cost us or by gaining grants uh for specific 258 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:32,919 projects that the community had been looking at but I would really caution uh 259 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:38,720 having that point of view and looking at it that way I think that's a trap uh for 260 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:42,200 the person that you hire or or just the community in general I think the the 261 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:47,200 community just needs to have that commitment towards having this position 262 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:53,760 because I think what you're doing is just you're looking at it as an 263 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:59,840 investment in your community as as as as as you just said uh Nate was you know 264 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:03,960 you're you are are justifying this through not just staying at the status 265 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:08,679 quo you're looking at this so you're looking at moving in in a positive 266 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:12,799 direction so you're going to with this position you're going to have a more 267 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:17,520 responsive government you're going to have one that communicates potentially 268 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:22,760 better with your public you're going to have one that's more more organized more 269 00:21:20,679 --> 00:21:28,120 more strategic working with your Council to to set up a more strategic plan for 270 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:33,039 the future of your community so I think you're it's it's and that's where you're 271 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:38,679 benefiting not necessarily from your cost savings every year justification of 272 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:45,720 the person's wages so a growing Community a community that wants to grow 273 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:45,720 can't look at it that way in my 274 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:57,440 opinion I think I think I would add that you can look at at fiscal responsibility 275 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:02,760 which any administrator worth their salt is going to be have a high value for 276 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:06,880 this responsibility you can also look at what what value you're getting from this 277 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:10,279 person from this position and what more are we getting done than we weren't 278 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,159 getting done before one of the priorities for my commission starting 279 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:18,840 Madison was strategic planning they identified that they were constantly 280 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:23,120 stuck in the complaint basis and the weeds and they weren't able to get 281 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,640 beyond that and they wanted somebody to come in and initiate a strategic 282 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:29,960 planning process and Implement that strategic plan so that's that was 283 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:35,799 something that's heavily built in my job description something that um they place 284 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,679 as a priority for me every like a body is going to have different priorities 285 00:22:37,159 --> 00:22:43,120 maybe in Canton is something completly different I don't know but you're you're 286 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,799 not just looking at doing the same amount of work with another person you 287 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:50,640 you should be looking at doing the amount of work you're currently doing 288 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:55,120 more efficiently and doing more Beyond it getting more done getting more for 289 00:22:52,919 --> 00:22:59,600 your taxpayer devs 290 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:05,400 okay um next question is how can we hire an administrator when there's not a job 291 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:09,360 description um I just want to say that that is on the agenda for Monday night 292 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:16,320 the job description is on for Monday night and we will be looking at that as 293 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,320 a commission so I don't know if 294 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:27,080 you yes you should have one we should have 295 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:31,679 one um next question is what would you do if one of your commission came to you 296 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:35,760 with an unethical or borderline unethical proposition and strongly 297 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,880 encourage you to go with this proposition but would you tell him or 298 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:52,799 her this is a position that no administrator wants to be put in but 299 00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:52,799 some administrators find themselves in 300 00:23:52,960 --> 00:24:01,799 and there there's a lot to say here know our lives run on policies and laws 301 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:06,159 that that that's what we refer to when there's a question we first refer to the 302 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:12,320 policy the ordinance the resolutions the state La whatever there might be uh 303 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:17,679 recorded on that particular issue um all three of us are also members of 304 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:22,400 the of icma international City County management association and we personally 305 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:27,640 have to abide by a code of ethics and it if we don't we can be uh censured we can 306 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:31,760 lose our membership and those are important 307 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:36,760 programs for us to be in the the I just to Echo that not to hijack that ICA code 308 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:41,000 of ethics is on online and you can go look at that and all of us are required 309 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:46,600 to follow it and find it incredibly incredibly important as kind of the 310 00:24:42,679 --> 00:24:52,840 Baseline of of how we have thank you it's I can't understand that enough how 311 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:56,960 important that quot ofic is um I I think a lot of us have talk about 312 00:24:55,559 --> 00:25:03,840 what we would do in that kind of situation um you in in my case that were 313 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:08,640 come to be that some uh elected official wants to put in place a policy that's 314 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:12,919 unethical or illegal it's my job to both inform them of that and inform the City 315 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:18,000 attorney of that uh and in some cases you know we need to work with the mayor 316 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:20,720 and City attorney to rectify that um at the end of the day the counselor 317 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:25,080 commission is still judged by The Counselor commission not judg by the 318 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:31,000 city administrator or city manager uh so forth it's up to that elected body 319 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:35,600 members uh but if I'm being asked to do something IL or 320 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:41,000 unethical no my mys are going to come before that 321 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:43,799 request maybe I can just keep on that same topic maybe it's not something 322 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:47,640 that's unethical uh maybe it's just a request 323 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:53,960 that seems out of bounds we don't take direction from one 324 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:59,000 individual yeah you we have to have a quorum of the council make a decision to 325 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,279 provide us with Direction so we we don't have the ability to just go out and do 326 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,480 do something that one of the council members came and instructed us to do so 327 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:11,360 I I do think that that's always important to keep in 328 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:14,919 mind yeah and I would I would add that I I know I've been in situations where 329 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:20,360 I've had elect officials ask me things and I start with giving the benefit of 330 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:24,320 Doubt because they come from not government background and they might ask 331 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:28,760 me something thinking it's perfectly okay I see no problem with it and I'll 332 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,960 explain to them the problem concern that I have and every time that I've had 333 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,760 these situations they they they understand and they back down and say 334 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,000 okay you know thank you for exping that to me and I always get benefit of Doubt 335 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,240 to who like officials they're they're learning just like the rest of us but as 336 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:48,480 a see management professionals like they've said those ethics are or methods 337 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:53,120 are kind of like our 10 commandments I also have high value with in state laws 338 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:58,919 like open meeting law so that if I've got elected official that I feel like 339 00:26:55,399 --> 00:27:01,679 aren't are at risk of not the meeting law I'm going to call them out out on it 340 00:27:00,679 --> 00:27:06,279 and I'm going to make sure that that we're compant with that because it's up 341 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:10,559 to us first to be accountable and have a self-discipline to all those things and 342 00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:13,399 if we're not then we have to talk to City Chans and those sort of things 343 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:19,080 nobody wants to do that thank 344 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:23,720 you um next question is is a city administrator required to live within 345 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,720 City 346 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:32,240 Limits that would be up to you but do you all live in city limits I 347 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:37,720 currently live within the within the city T City wom you 348 00:27:34,679 --> 00:27:43,720 know I think that that's up to your how wide of a C Net you want to 349 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:47,039 cast for this position and and so how flexible you want to be and if you feel 350 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,120 that that's an important thing then you make that requirement you know it's 351 00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:54,360 going to be based on your housing availability and everything of that 352 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:57,200 nature if that's a reality uh you know if you want to get someone really 353 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,559 quality you might have to be flexible you might have to get them period of 354 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:08,480 time as well or something of that inur I do live in L it's required for four of 355 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:11,880 us yeah I I live in Madison um I highly encourage an appointment agreement for 356 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:16,159 any administrator starting out in New Town I encourage for the the city as the 357 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,320 employer and I encourage it strongly for the administrator as well and when I was 358 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,320 starting one in Madison they provided me a draft and it didn't have a residency 359 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,799 requirement in and I said put a residency requirement in there because 360 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,960 whether it's me now or somebody in the future you want administrator the one 361 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:37,159 living in City thanks what qualifications are 362 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:43,600 required to become a city administrator is their specialized schooling for this 363 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:49,360 position I think all of us sitting up here all receive Masters uh public 364 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:55,399 administration and so we have that kind of same as a business administration but 365 00:28:51,919 --> 00:29:00,000 it's the public for local government um not a requirement I think it helps to 366 00:28:57,399 --> 00:29:03,960 give a good B knowledge of of of how these positions are supposed to act um 367 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:08,880 you know I think it's important that you do 368 00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:12,880 find someone that has some background and experience at least in local 369 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:17,919 government um and it would be it would be recommended to have someone that has 370 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:22,480 experience as either a city manager City administrator or assistant city manager 371 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:26,519 administrator somewhere not to say that Public Works directors or Parks 372 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:31,720 directors or something you know uh Engineers or people that me you can't 373 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:35,159 also fill these roles um there's also another requirement that I you know I 374 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,679 don't know if C would want to require that because it you need a seasoned 375 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:44,840 individual but the icma international City Managers Association also has 376 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:49,120 what's called a cred credential manager certification and that's also something 377 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,760 that uh a lot of the seasoned managers have and you know you're getting someone 378 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:59,640 that has a quality background and has went through rigorous um background to 379 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:04,760 receive that credential so just follow up on the the schooling um 380 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:08,880 like Jus said we all have m in public administration simar to a business 381 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:13,200 administration but just for the public sector um what they cover in these 382 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:18,120 programs is is very wide ranging uh you get a taste of everything um you're 383 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:24,039 going to cover budgeting you're going to cover financial planning fiscal analysis 384 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:30,080 you're going to cover uh Human Resources uh Planning and Building um all the 385 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:33,519 stuff going to encounter being a local government manager you're going to have 386 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,760 some Education and Training through this program uh that that's that's why it's 387 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:42,000 important that that really does summarize our jobs we're we're every 388 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:48,120 hour of every day you could be working in some different uh aspect of of public 389 00:30:44,919 --> 00:30:48,120 administration with the local 390 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:56,480 government okay thanks um this is got a lot of questions in it so I will read 391 00:30:54,519 --> 00:31:02,960 through it and answer it whatever part you want what does a typ typical workday 392 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:08,760 look like for a city administrator and what duties do you do on a day-to-day 393 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:13,200 basis how would that be beneficial to a community that doesn't have a city 394 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:22,480 administrator yeah that's a great question I think the day-to-day looks 395 00:31:19,639 --> 00:31:26,559 not only different for any position throughout the year but also from town 396 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:31,639 to town because Madison Linux um te can that are all going to 397 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:36,840 have different things that's required of their administrators when I was in vulga 398 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:43,120 I had a lot of hats I was the guy doing the building permits and um planning 399 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:47,279 items and commission agendas and a little of everything and in Madison I've 400 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:52,279 been able to to uh assume a different role I work a lot more with uh building 401 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:56,799 up an organization uh lot more with leadership staff training uh Mission 402 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:01,000 Vision Values is something that's I've been working on now lishing our core 403 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:04,960 values for the first time um it's been a lot of building up as I mentioned 404 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:09,360 earlier an organization to be resilient and adaptable to change in those sort of 405 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:13,159 things and I've enjoyed it quite a bit um starting out in that smaller town was 406 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:17,720 immensely beneficial because I have such a strong knowledge of of basic 407 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:21,919 government day-to-day operations from from the ground level I've help out a 408 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,519 lot but every town is going to be completely different and these guys 409 00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:28,279 probably come from towns that Mak be more terrible game 410 00:32:28,639 --> 00:32:34,720 uh it's a really difficult question to answer because I don't I don't think I 411 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:38,440 even had time for lunch today or and I don't remember what I had for breakfast 412 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:44,840 just getting the kids out uh to school in the morning uh but you know you know 413 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:52,039 typically uh it's just you know we're we're going to respond to S 414 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:56,000 send inquiries emails phone calls uh I'm going to catch up with all my department 415 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,880 heads to know what's going on throughout uh throughout the community um um I'm 416 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,880 going to be providing you know them Direction I'm going to be connecting 417 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:08,000 with my city engineer to make sure projects are on track I'm going to be 418 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:12,080 communicating with the mayor and Council about all of these things and making 419 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:18,000 sure that they're up to speed on on on how the day-to-day operations are going 420 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:22,679 um I'm going to be um also that strategic planning piece of it is is 421 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:28,480 doing the research on on topics that are coming up for Council uh meetings 422 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:34,200 preparing that the council meeting agendas in advance and you know I'm I 423 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:39,799 try to be very very thorough for for City Council meetings with a lot of prep 424 00:33:37,399 --> 00:33:44,360 prepared materials uh providing recommendations and background on issues 425 00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:50,360 so that the council can see everything in advance and go in with uh opinions 426 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,039 and and uh kind of have their decisions uh pre-formed before they get to a 427 00:33:52,639 --> 00:34:00,320 meeting so there's not a ton of discussion on on specific items um but 428 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,600 you know in T it's really a lot of my time has been managing the growth and 429 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,240 and the amount of development and everything that's occurring there uh but 430 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,000 you know I I just think that what it does bring to the community is that 431 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:17,879 One-Stop shop so everyone everybody knows where 432 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:21,240 to go to because and I think probably currently in Camp you could call five 433 00:34:19,879 --> 00:34:25,679 different people and they might tell you five different things I don't know if 434 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:29,960 that's true but it's that One-Stop shop uh that that can that can communicate 435 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:34,200 with the I think it's that benefit this is a harder question to 436 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:38,760 answer because I have a calendar there's things on that 437 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:45,000 calendar but some of them don't happen some of them happen twice um because 438 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:48,599 every day is so unpredictable uh and especially when you know Jameson 439 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:53,359 mentioned when he was in vulga being a lot more handson and you know my day go 440 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,119 from planning for the city council meeting a few weeks from now to uh 441 00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:02,920 helping out with a quick project streets that they just need somebody to act the 442 00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:06,599 pl or for 10 minutes while while they get a piece of equip about it because 443 00:35:04,359 --> 00:35:12,400 we're now a guy or something like that um so every day is unpredictable but I I 444 00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:16,640 think in general uh you know my time is going to be spent on overarching 445 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:20,920 financial goal where are we on reserves where are we uh what are we looking at 446 00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:26,000 in sales tax numbers compared to last year do we need to make any 447 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:30,720 adjustments um what policies need to be reviewed you know try all of our 448 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:36,000 policies every year for updates making sure they're still um applying with 449 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:40,079 appable laws um Department check-ins try and do that every day with each my 450 00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:46,200 department that's making sure they have what they need uh to get their job done 451 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:54,119 today uh a lot of time spent on community engagement and Council prep 452 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:59,359 planning filling prep hard board prep um City Council planning takes a lot more 453 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:03,599 time than I I think we probably all have very similar Council packets that have 454 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:08,880 all the materials memos with recommendations so on and so forth uh we 455 00:36:06,359 --> 00:36:12,680 try and after each council meeting uh the next Tuesday I do my follow-ups and 456 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:17,079 then I start planning for the next counc meeting because it's coming right around 457 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:22,160 the corner two weeks and it does take time to get those things put together um 458 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:27,640 we we we make a point of having all of our Council materials published by uh 459 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:32,800 noon on Thursday that the council Saturday Sunday uh and uh if they want 460 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:37,480 to for part Monday to review that agenda ask any questions that they may have and 461 00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:41,880 uh be prepared to make a decision the coming day um I like to think that you 462 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:46,760 know being in this position as mayor council a lot more efficient and 463 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:52,119 effective with their time um our our meetings certainly aren't um as long as 464 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,560 they used to be uh so because the council's more for they have more 465 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:58,599 information as they get there a lot of that comes from the amount of work that 466 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,880 we ahead of time to get the research done 467 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:06,240 so that they have the information they need to make 468 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:11,240 this thank that's f a little bit more for me here sorry but u a lot of what we 469 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:17,040 do is to try to make our elect official jobs easier and that matters to the 470 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:21,000 public too um before Madison CR administrator one of my Commissioners 471 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:25,240 said that he was routinely working 30 to 40 hours a week on cityway and stuff he 472 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:28,480 wasn't retired he actually had a very critical role in the community that took 473 00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:33,319 a lot of his time but he was devoting 30 40 hours a week so what does that mean 474 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:37,319 well it's not very Democratic because now your entire population that might be 475 00:37:35,319 --> 00:37:41,400 interested in running for City commission at a point is narrowed down 476 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:45,400 to people who are either crazy enough to work basically two fulltime jobs most 477 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,079 people get burned out or people that that are retired and have the time for 478 00:37:46,839 --> 00:37:52,440 it or that's probably about it I mean and 479 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,640 and if you really want to open it up to your whole population to serve in local 480 00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:01,200 government and to be on commission they have to be able to assume a role where 481 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:05,040 they're not putting 30 40 hours of work in my Commissioners still work they 482 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:11,040 still make their pay they still attend their commission meetings U but that was 483 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,680 was not not efficient was not productive and so coming in as administrator I did 484 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,079 everything I came to make their job as easy as possible and that means regular 485 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,200 staff reports and memos and recommendations and previews and then 486 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:26,240 walk into those same things with the public during commission meetings so 487 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,680 everybody's know knows what we're doing why we're doing it as possible that's a 488 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:35,160 big part of what we do another part that what I what I do is probably underplayed 489 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:39,880 is is I learn I I try to spend a little bit of time um doing professional 490 00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:44,160 reading whether that's through our our magazines or whatever the case is we 491 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:48,520 also learn from each other and when Nate says he works on commun engagement he 492 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,480 works on community engagement they do a lot of commun Engagement they do a 493 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,680 really good job of it and I know there are things that I've learned from Nate 494 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:59,800 that I've took taken to Madison and lately we've worked a lot 495 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:02,960 doing a lot of work too so so we learn from each other we learn from from 496 00:39:01,319 --> 00:39:07,440 materials it's important to always be growing and helping our community be 497 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:15,440 we're going to see a Madison live Q&A here in maybe I thought about 498 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:21,480 it okay thanks um as an administrator what are the best and the worst days 499 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:21,480 you've ever experienced in your 500 00:39:22,359 --> 00:39:32,000 role going to sound weird but they're the same days for me um um there's two 501 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:37,440 events I can think of uh first is uh a small tornado limux at in 502 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:42,079 2021 uh and the second is the rain storms we had in 503 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:47,400 June uh those days are both the worst and the best days of my career U the 504 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:53,520 worse because um we see our community hurting we see our community in pain we 505 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:59,920 see people's homes hurt if we see uh you know yards destroyed we see people's uh 506 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:06,079 livelihoods ch some reasons um and you know our our dam metics were not severe 507 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:11,680 in either case um but one of your home it still feels severe it's your business 508 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:15,520 it still feels severe um or school you know in our case we had school aot of 509 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:21,200 sessions for a few days because of the 510 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:27,319 um I can remember in the tornado specifically that um it was me at home 511 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:30,480 with my son my wife was in two Falls and caught up in the adrenaline of the 512 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,440 moment for the first several hours you're okay let's get this done you're 513 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,680 work with your team and everything's happening everything's pring along and 514 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:43,800 you finally take a break to go home and see did my house okay uh and how's the 515 00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:47,800 family and you just get hit with a wable like oh my goodness this my community um 516 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,720 I hope everybody's okay um but then everybody comes 517 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,920 together you see your community come together to tackle a big problem uh I've 518 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,520 never been prder of my team than with that Street clean up after that storm we 519 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:06,720 are done in 4 days I think um and just there was no question same the storms in 520 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,880 June there's no question of who's supposed to help out or well I I don't 521 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:14,319 work on that team I'm supposed to reworking on this team or I'm on the 522 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:18,560 street be reworking on this super stuff um there was none of that it was just 523 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:22,200 what do we need and where we need and that that's to me uh when you know that 524 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,960 you've got a team that's willing to step up and make things work for their 525 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,960 community that was a highlight of my my group 526 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,800 I think you answered that day that's good I know C just went through that as 527 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:40,319 well here so I think that that definitely would would touch on all of 528 00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:45,359 those points um I I agree with M terms 529 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:49,079 sometimes the the best and the worst are usually tied together as youve probably 530 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:53,920 gathered I I spend a lot of time thinking about staff coaching growing um 531 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,200 those those employees to be resilient Etc and we've got I want to say 78 532 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:03,359 fulltime employees which which sounds Alik a lot but Madison has a large Rec 533 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:07,440 facility we share with DSU we've got our own police force that's 15 right there 534 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:12,000 we've got electric Department that that most cities have we have a lot of 535 00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:16,520 diverse departments there and the worst days are when I'm trying to improve 536 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:19,720 culture or build that collaboration and there's a setback there's going to be 537 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,400 setbacks and they know that's not that's that's something I work hard for U the 538 00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:30,359 best days remember when I when I had those big WS I I had one employee who I 539 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:36,359 quickly ident coming to Madison as a top employee somebody that's a real 540 00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:41,400 go-getter and just Superior performance and I was able to grow and move that 541 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:45,040 employee into a morb leadership position which they weren't sure about they kind 542 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,079 of nervous well they didn't really want to but they willing to move into that 543 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:53,000 and after they were in that en roll for a while and got settled um this person 544 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,359 told me and this was the the most he's ever enjoyed his his job at the city 545 00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,960 he's been there in 16 17 years when I have employee who I pushed and grew and 546 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,960 they come back saying I was nervous but I've never enjoyed my job more than I do 547 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:09,160 now that's that's a that's thank 548 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:17,280 you as an administrator who is responsible for monitoring your job 549 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:27,640 performance the mayor and city council are in t But ultimately that is elected 550 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:32,520 officials which is the entire public of of the of the community you serve so the 551 00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:38,440 entire C taxpayers and City Limits would be monitoring the performance of of of 552 00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,440 your city administrator if you one 553 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:43,960 place I'll just add I started a performance review process when I got to 554 00:43:42,359 --> 00:43:47,920 Madison was something they had before try to make it simple but useful for all 555 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:52,200 employees and I abide by that same process we have exec session once a year 556 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:55,599 with City commission so my like body goes through that performance review 557 00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:01,200 with me and we identify opportunities for improvement and is all that so again 558 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,400 yeah like the official be responsible for 559 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:13,760 that okay next question is how do you know when you've been 560 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,760 successful in your 561 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:24,520 role um I would say just 562 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:29,640 overall people aren't showing up to see Council screaming at 563 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:35,240 the council you you know you you're doing your job um but I would say just 564 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:39,119 when when the community feels holistic everybody's on board everybody 565 00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:43,599 understands the direction of your city and your Council and and the direction 566 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:47,440 that they're putting forward people people are all bought into that that in 567 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:52,400 the direction you're taking as a community that's when I would say when 568 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:56,240 you when you know you're you're move moving forward successfully 569 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,359 ultimately when you're meeting the needs of your community and meeting the the 570 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,599 needs and expectations of your mayor and Council for me that that says at the end 571 00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:11,480 of the day that's what's going to determine if I'm going 572 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:15,480 to stay in that role for a while right uh and whether it's successful but 573 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:21,640 there's you know the performance of my team also says a lot about how 574 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:25,920 successful I'm going to be if uh if if I a team that's performing and firing on 575 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:29,480 all cylinders um that's a big determining fact I'm being successful in 576 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:33,559 my role it's my job to make sure that they have what we need are working 577 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:38,280 towards common goals and uh working towards the vision and the miss the uh 578 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:43,200 vision and Mission that the council has set forward for the for the 579 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:47,960 organization uh we also we have Performance Management metrics that we 580 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:51,400 try to hit um it's nothing super complex uh but it's stuff that we want to make 581 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,680 sure uh we're monitoring and making progress so every we've got a 582 00:45:53,359 --> 00:46:01,760 Performance Management report that the council reviews uh Department possible 583 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,760 for providing um metrics 584 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:10,160 on I'd say an indicator of success is if as a community your entire Community you 585 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:16,040 can identify goals work towards those goals hit obstacles get around the 586 00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:20,400 obstacles um have disagreements and work amicably through them if there's a 587 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:27,280 really sticky situation as a community you're able to address that or fix it or 588 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:32,960 get past it that's that's when we are okay thanks what role of any does a city 589 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,720 administrator have regarding enforcement of city codes SL 590 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,880 ordinances I would say all employees have responsibility to enforce Cod 591 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,319 ordinances there would be some individuals that have more 592 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:51,599 responsibility than others if you have a code enforcement officer um or obviously 593 00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:55,200 the attorney those sort folks will be more involved there but absolutely 594 00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:59,400 administrator would have a stronger role in The Code Enforcement depend who you 595 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:04,079 got at your team unfortunate we got a code enforcement officer who's also 596 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:07,880 building official and so Gras complaints and dilapidated buildings those sort of 597 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:12,280 things can go to him if he wasn't doing his job I have to 598 00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:16,680 be involved with that make sure that that the new already 599 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:21,760 address I I think this duty is actually in my job description U it really is 600 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:27,839 what what we're responsible for making sure it's happening building official 601 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:33,280 code official um L has as well I think T does too just talk about that but um 602 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:40,000 those are pieces of the code that need to be enforced there's other pieces too 603 00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:44,480 and there are times when U maybe the code or the ordinance isn't quite so 604 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:49,000 clear and staff need some clarification we had one of those this morning 605 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:53,960 somebody um on a golf cart permit of all things has an old golf cart with three 606 00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:57,240 wheels instead of four state code says the golf cars defi is having four wheels 607 00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:02,000 so you know those are things that we have to go back and look at and help 608 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:05,440 interpret for the staff and um it it really is kind of what our job is 609 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:15,440 about I I I think you guys answered that that question just be mindful of time 610 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:20,480 here we any question yeah we have lots of questions here um 611 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,440 what is the difference between the city manager and the city administrator I 612 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:29,480 think we already covered that but the second part is does one work better over 613 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:32,880 together for a city the size of Canon in your 614 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:40,839 opinion I think that's a question you need to answer as a community I don't 615 00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:45,720 think there's a one- siiz it's all uh approach to to this um you've 616 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:49,359 experimented with the city management form of government it looks like you're 617 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,839 going to experience or looking at experimenting with the city 618 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,160 administrator former government you might have a answer figured out in the 619 00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:01,480 next few years maybe on that question but um you know I think there's 620 00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:06,280 communities all across the the country the state of South Dakota various sizes 621 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:11,359 that are management forms and City administrator forms um so it's really 622 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,599 whatever I think fits the culture of your 623 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:22,480 community okay um does this concept work better or 624 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:28,000 worse depending on the type of government that a city utilizes for 625 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:35,720 example Council D mayor versus Council D manager versus 626 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:39,799 commission that's yeah I think administrative form can 627 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,760 work in any of those I kind of spoke earlier how I I feel like it's worked 628 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,640 well in Madison the commission form breaking down the silos but it can 629 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,640 really work in anything 630 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:55,559 form yeah I I think the the main thing is is that you're bringing in a 631 00:49:53,720 --> 00:50:02,040 professional and bringing in someone that has exper in in in running a 632 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,520 organization that is a local government which is different it's different than 633 00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:09,480 business it's different than in a school district it's different uh than than a 634 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,240 lot of things so it's just it's it's someone that has expertise that can 635 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:18,040 analyze your community analyze your organization and try to put you on the 636 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:24,559 right track uh towards success okay um next question is funding 637 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:29,319 and revenue management are selling points for the administrative position 638 00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:34,160 since much of the grant funding is a simple pass through of funds that the 639 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:40,000 city would receive regardless of who is heading City Hall can you identify other 640 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,680 efficiencies that can help to justify the cost of of an 641 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:52,880 administrator I I I think I kind of answered that question pretty early on 642 00:50:51,440 --> 00:51:00,400 but you know I would say that you know we've talked about this a bunch but it's 643 00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:06,119 just that that overall investment in in what you want your community to look 644 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:11,240 like uh do you want it to be uh more proactive rather than reactive do you 645 00:51:08,359 --> 00:51:16,200 want to be more strategic about about how you're looking into the future um 646 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:20,640 analyzing you know what what what type of Staffing you have and making sure 647 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:27,960 your your your staff approach appropriately across your departments um 648 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:32,480 you know make just try to increas communication with the public and uh 649 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,280 communication with your with your residents communication with your 650 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:42,319 Council between your council members I think all of those things is is really 651 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:47,720 what that um what that investment is I I don't like I said let's see as an 652 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:53,000 expense see it as an investment of what you you want your community to be more 653 00:51:50,359 --> 00:51:57,520 better manage better 654 00:51:54,599 --> 00:52:02,280 okay what will the city administrators duties and responsibilities be that are 655 00:51:59,799 --> 00:52:04,720 not already being covered by current city 656 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:11,280 positions I think that' be more of a c question it can be whatever you 657 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:20,720 want okay 658 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:25,520 um next question that was sent in was what happens when the city runs out of 659 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:28,040 money to cover this position I hope that's not going to be 660 00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:31,359 the case you got to go to administrator you 661 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:35,960 won't run I don't think that's a realistic I 662 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,920 think it's important to acknowledge here too you've got a finance officer that's 663 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:44,000 been in this community for a number of years that is well known throughout the 664 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:49,720 state as an effective person and and great at his his position too so um you 665 00:52:47,319 --> 00:52:54,119 know I think he knows where the where where where all 666 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:59,799 the pennies are hidden in the couch curs and hopefully you can find to justify 667 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:05,920 putting somebody in place here okay how has the day-to-day 668 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:11,119 administration of municipalities evolved over the last few decades is it the same 669 00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,119 or more 670 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:20,200 complex oh yeah ever since Co I think everybody's jobs are a little bit 671 00:53:17,799 --> 00:53:25,880 different The public's just has I think different expectations in general um you 672 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:30,280 know us as as professional government managers 673 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:36,000 uh Jameson mentioned some of the some of the magazines and things like that that 674 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:39,599 we read through icma well several of us are headed to a conference this next 675 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:44,400 weekend uh in Pittsburgh for the international City Managers Association 676 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:50,000 so we really try to stay on top of the the trends in in across governments 677 00:53:47,319 --> 00:53:53,079 across the the the country so we're prep prepared for them when they get here 678 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:57,160 because it always takes a while for them to get here but we go to these 679 00:53:54,799 --> 00:54:01,400 conferences and we we find out new approaches and and we try to bring the 680 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,720 back to our community to to implement those um I can't think of anything off 681 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:12,599 the top of my head right now that I can specifically say uh that uh but it's um 682 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:18,760 definitely the the the the it's ever changing we have a potential uh vote on 683 00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:23,160 the food tax coming up and that's going to have an adjustment for for all of us 684 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:27,240 in our communities if our if our sales taxes decrease in the in the next couple 685 00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:32,119 years so I think that that's what these positions do is try to keep ahead and 686 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:36,720 make sure that that your community is is forward thank you I'd say one area 687 00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:40,040 that's been become more complicated in recent years is community engagement we 688 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:45,079 have a lot more avenues for communicating with the 689 00:54:42,799 --> 00:54:49,200 public and the public has a lot higher expectations for us to communicate 690 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:53,680 effectively and efficiently it used to be that they were fine meeting in the 691 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:58,359 corner and Y oh I got a cool questions sounds good now now they want government 692 00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:02,839 to be more proactive and they want us to use all those different Avenues to 693 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:06,240 communicate and and and we should rise that so that's why we've been focusing 694 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:10,640 lot engagement because we should have a great website that's got you language 695 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:14,839 translation accessible and we should have text messaging options for the 696 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,880 public to sign up for we should have a mobile app and those sort of things if 697 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:27,799 we rolling out so um it takes a lot of work um it takes a very very U 698 00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:31,400 Keen OB not obs it takes a focus I think that's what I'm trying 699 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,960 to say it takes a lot of focus initiative to make sure get that right 700 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,640 but we should rise the occasion for the Public 701 00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:46,599 Communication okay um my next question is the prevailing argument against the 702 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:52,680 city administrator is that we can't afford it yet most citizens agree that c 703 00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:57,400 spending has gotten out of control what role would a city administrator play in 704 00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:02,280 crafting a budget and ensuring that it's adhered to um Can a competent 705 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:06,960 administrator pay for themselves by improving fiscal responsibility and 706 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:15,839 efficiency maybe I'll start with the budget question I think talked about 707 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:20,799 efficiency quite too um you know the budget process in any municipality it's 708 00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:25,359 a team sport U you know in Linux I I leave that process but I'm obviously 709 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:29,880 working very closely as a finance officer uh through every day of that 710 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,400 process department heads are working with the finance officer and me and 711 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:39,880 trying to craft their budget and determine what their needs are going to 712 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:45,280 be in the next year um so it's adhering to that budget is done 713 00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:49,039 with both the the city administrator and the finance officer keeping tabs on that 714 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:53,119 watching where they are for the year making sure that when they are getting 715 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:56,559 close uh we we have a reason to to be you know hopefully you're not getting 716 00:56:54,319 --> 00:57:00,079 close to that budget until December um there are some cases where you do you 717 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:05,119 got to pass it supplemental but it's it's a it's an involved process it's not 718 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:09,240 just the city administrator um and responsible for that budget or 719 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:13,559 responsible for all that stending um I think that's an important aspect of of 720 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:17,760 the way Lo it works there's multiple checks and balances through that process 721 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,720 uh it's not just one person that's doing it um I mean in terms of whether you can 722 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:29,119 afford it or not I mean I don't know what C's budget looks like um come from 723 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:33,079 a small community with limited sales tax if we can afford I imagine a lot of 724 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:38,400 places can um and yeah a c administrator Justin's 725 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:43,359 answered this a couple times and I don't think you can really look at it in terms 726 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:47,039 of as going to pay for itself again this isn't a business this isn't something 727 00:57:45,079 --> 00:57:51,760 where you know you're you're producing um a consistent Revenue stream 728 00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:55,400 by being in that position you are creating efficiencies you are 729 00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:59,119 streamlining processes you are making the organization more 730 00:58:00,839 --> 00:58:08,599 eff yeah I don't know can over spending I I don't know much about I'm being 731 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:13,160 honest um so may maybe you are I don't know or there could be a couple other 732 00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:17,359 things there as administrator I'd be coming in I I'd look at projections so 733 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:21,880 maybe we need to better communicate to the public what we're what we're doing 734 00:58:19,319 --> 00:58:25,599 because uh in Madison you know some people might say gez last year you had 735 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,039 $30 million in capital projects how can you afford that well let's let's let's 736 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,319 pull this out and take a look at it it's not just a matter of what we're doing 737 00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:36,680 this year or next year we have to look 10 20 30 years down the road and and 738 00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:41,440 figure out what our Revenue expectations and projections are as well as what our 739 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:45,039 expenses are so we look at having a nice detailed cap Improvement plan that for 740 00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:48,359 me goes at least 5 years infrastructure Improvement plan that goes out a few 741 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,599 years a strategic plan and all those documents should be talking to each 742 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:55,319 other to make sure that we are heading the right direction and we're not 743 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:59,559 spending more than we're bringing in or projecting but the second piece that 744 00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:04,920 that could be something that could cause public high is if if the city is putting 745 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:09,400 its money towards things that the community doesn't deal with priority so 746 00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:13,039 that's not a case of overspending in total but from the public side maybe 747 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:17,119 it's a case of overspending in certain areas and that's where as you're putting 748 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:20,880 together those Capital Improvement plans and and your budget each year you need 749 00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:25,359 to make sure you have a really great way of getting public input especially in 750 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:30,400 the years when the public doesn't care they they're you need your input even 751 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:34,680 more because the public budget ordinance I could approve in 5 minutes how we 752 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:38,880 didn't have no public input I we like to see public input as administrators so 753 00:59:37,319 --> 00:59:42,599 what I'm trying to get out there is is having a method and a process in place 754 00:59:40,839 --> 00:59:46,760 where you make sure the public is included and valued so that the dollars 755 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:51,039 are going to the priorities and the public would like to see them 756 00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:57,720 go you really hit the nail on the head there Jameson um I think if you go and 757 00:59:53,520 --> 01:00:01,880 look at uh any of the RS or um any of the other go to the yankton's website 758 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:06,440 look at their their their budget there's a narrative on the front of that those 759 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:11,160 budgets that really kind of rather than a bunching numbers on a piece of paper 760 01:00:08,839 --> 01:00:16,240 it it spells out what the city's going to spend in that next year and puts it 761 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:21,440 into a narrative format um the other thing too is is that you know these 762 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,720 aren't our budgets they're not in my opinion they're not the Mayors and the 763 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:32,200 in the in the city commissions they are the budget so they that input that's 764 01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:37,280 looking out for 5 years so that everybody's has is on the the same is on 765 01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:40,559 the same train that trains Le to the station and that and everybody in the 766 01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:46,839 community is on that is is really something that we we strive for um when 767 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:51,960 it comes to that budget budgeting process okay um the next question sent 768 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:57,760 in was Kinton has been stagnant in numerous 769 01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:03,280 respects for several decades while towns similar in size proximity to S Falls 770 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:10,720 have enjoyed a growing tax base with new homes and new businesses how can a city 771 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,720 administrator help move Canton Beyond 772 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:31,039 1980 um lnx was was very much in I I wouldn't 773 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:35,640 say they were stag and I I I don't think that would necessarily describe where we 774 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:41,119 were uh I I can't take credit for all the growth that's happened there in the 775 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:44,799 last few years um but it is one of the things that that I was tasked with when 776 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:49,880 when I started was to get a Housing Development and to work with the L area 777 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:55,440 Development Corporation uh Lincoln County and any other partner we needed a 778 01:01:53,039 --> 01:02:00,160 developer and so on and so forth uh to make that Happ and you know so those 779 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:04,279 things take time obviously and I'm happy to say that that we've we really have 780 01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:08,720 been growing over the last few years at a great at a rate that we probably 781 01:02:05,839 --> 01:02:12,760 haven't se to F here days um those aren't accidental things but they're 782 01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:17,960 also not things that are solely the responsibility or success of the city 783 01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:21,839 manager it's it's this has been a vision that's been set forth for the community 784 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:28,079 uh by its elected officials in coordination with the voters uh to speak 785 01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:34,279 for uh direction that they want to move and if if if canton's goal is to 786 01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:41,640 increase housing opportunities and attract new industry 787 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:47,559 and um introduce new retail to Main Street um and you set those as your 788 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:51,640 goals um those are things that that administrator is going to be working 789 01:02:49,319 --> 01:02:56,119 towards um again it's not just that 790 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,960 administrator that's doing that team it's a it's a number of organizations 791 01:02:57,799 --> 01:03:04,160 that have to come together to do that uh but the goal has to be set and if the if 792 01:03:01,799 --> 01:03:10,160 the vision is clear that that's the direction that you want to move um an 793 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:15,799 administrator can help um help pedal the bank so to speak definitely um you know 794 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:20,720 in business they always say location location location and and I think in 795 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:24,480 City uh government it's infrastructure infrastructure 796 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:26,920 infrastructure you aren't going to grow you're not going to trct that new 797 01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:31,079 buiness bu to town you're not going to attract those homes to town if your 798 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:36,839 Wastewater Plant or your sewer lagoons are are are not keeping up or your or 799 01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:42,400 your water system is is crumbling and you've got water me brakes all over town 800 01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:47,079 um those type of things you really need to be focused on those and and you know 801 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,400 you have an economic development director here in town that you can lean 802 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:54,559 on but he has to have those tools and have the infrastructure in place to be 803 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:59,319 able to to be moving forward and moving the community forward so City 804 01:03:56,119 --> 01:04:03,520 administrator can help you organize plan look into the future identify those 805 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:07,400 priority projects get those done so you're in place your water your water 806 01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:10,480 systems ready to go your sewer systems ready to go your street infrastructure 807 01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:14,400 is ready to go all all of those type things um that that's where I would say 808 01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,279 that an administrator is going to help you move forward and lenux has that 809 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:22,599 infrastructure in place they built a brand new uh a Wastewater Plant when I 810 01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:27,559 was there they've got the water resources from L Clark they they repl 811 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:32,000 and put insult curbing gutter throughout their streets that in in areas of Main 812 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:36,520 Street that weren't there and have done a lot of those Investments and and then 813 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:42,680 the community responds later developers see that and respond to 814 01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:47,599 that and I think I did mentioned earlier that the C Economic Development board 815 01:04:44,599 --> 01:04:52,760 sped a Housing Development which is to start the infrastructure this soon like 816 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:59,680 within a month month and a half they opened bids last Thursday for the conru 817 01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:04,880 company to do the infrastructure so that is a step 818 01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:09,880 forward um next question was who do you personally oversee what employees are 819 01:05:07,279 --> 01:05:16,960 considered under you I think that's 820 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:21,720 commission yeah City administrator in most organizations is going to see 821 01:05:18,839 --> 01:05:26,319 oversee um directly department head quote indirectly all all 822 01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:29,880 employees uh you know instru will typically end up uh with the city 823 01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:35,039 administrator and then to the City Commissioner 824 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:39,960 Council I would Echo that same thing I've got 10 department heads and 825 01:05:37,799 --> 01:05:43,960 then 11 employee that do Communications marketing that is a department head 826 01:05:41,279 --> 01:05:49,720 those 11 individuals report to me and uh that's just the nature of of cities we 827 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:54,039 got a very diverse organization okay thanks um do you commu communicate 828 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:57,319 everything to the Commissioners and mayor or do you make make decisions on 829 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,520 your own definitely making some decisions on 830 01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:05,920 your own you can't that's the point for having a position don't want to bring 831 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:10,799 everything to your life officials and ask them to make every decision 832 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:14,200 otherwise why why you're there um I I think the important thing is being able 833 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:18,279 to sort out what needs to go elected officials and what is something that we 834 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,160 can do ourselves and quite often especially with my commission former 835 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:25,839 government I still have you know five different like officials overseeing 836 01:06:22,839 --> 01:06:30,559 different areas so if I have a question related so I can start with one person 837 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:35,160 and maybe we can s so that's the important part being 838 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:39,760 able to sort what what you bring to them out from what you don't need and 839 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:43,039 policies help a lot with that to yeah when we're making decisions they're 840 01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:47,240 Often by policies that are already in place or budget that's already been 841 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:51,160 passed and approved uh we we then have that authority to make certain decisions 842 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:56,200 because policies already SE it's easy to rely on that uh in terms of 843 01:06:53,119 --> 01:07:01,240 communication uh think you have your Council May the better off you are 844 01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:07,079 really can never over communicate um I visit with most of our 845 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:11,760 council members each week have a every two weeks um Thursday or Friday I with 846 01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:15,240 my mayor to review the council agenda for the next week um and talk to him at 847 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,680 least weekly about items that may have come up 848 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:24,680 that he's want to want to know about next council meeting then every Friday 849 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:30,279 Also usually it's Friday sometime Thursday Saturday or Sunday uh the 850 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:34,359 council gets a briefing for me on important matters for that week uh 851 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:39,000 things that came up uh that I think they might want to know about uh things that 852 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:42,119 I think are important in the community um important news items from around the 853 01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:51,079 state that I think they ini measure 28 on that have come 854 01:07:47,279 --> 01:07:57,240 out important project status we update on our infrastructure projects to just 855 01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:00,119 to make sure that Mo as as they can be because if I'm getting questions on 856 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,279 these things I can hearing to you my council members and they are going to be 857 01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:06,799 getting questions on them as well and they need to be justed as 858 01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:20,159 I okay um are you the point of contact when people have questions about things 859 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,159 going on in the community that are City 860 01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:26,520 related I I think Jameson's going to answer that question different than I'm 861 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:32,279 going to answer that question different than ma can answer that question in 862 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:35,640 Madison um Jameson's probably not answering a question about a building 863 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:39,159 permit I'm not answering the question about a building permit in t because we 864 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:44,000 have a a Planning and Zoning administrator and a building inspector 865 01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:48,440 uh but you know we're if if they don't have the answers 866 01:08:46,759 --> 01:08:55,839 to those questions we're we're the we're the next stop um in general I would say 867 01:08:52,279 --> 01:09:00,080 so I like to know I I may be a little bit micromanager 868 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:04,279 like that but I just like to be an earshot of kind of everything that's 869 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:09,000 being discussed in in in City Hall in t so if I hear somebody ask answering or 870 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:14,040 trying to answer a question within City Hall I like to be able to pop up and and 871 01:09:11,799 --> 01:09:17,759 get get into that conversation and make sure they that they have the right 872 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:22,640 information and just trying to be responsive as well um I've got you know 873 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:26,080 we've got you know a website where you can submit information and it might go 874 01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:29,120 to a department head but then that department head can't answer that 875 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:33,960 question so they'll send it to me I think it's just kind of however you want 876 01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:37,799 to structure that uh but generally um feel like I'm there to answer most any 877 01:09:35,799 --> 01:09:40,239 questions that that arise throughout the course of the 878 01:09:40,759 --> 01:09:49,759 day okay how do you handle commission meetings do you give more than one 879 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,759 option for issues and a 880 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,679 recommendation yeah cities do this very differently as well I've seen some 881 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:59,480 cities where the administrators speaks very little they're there to support and 882 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:04,199 answer questions other cities where they they lead post of the discussion or in 883 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:08,920 my case I try to do introduction for each topic U sometimes I'll bring a 884 01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:13,520 staff up to kind of take that over trying to build them up or a lot of 885 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:17,719 times it's just me and the commission can ask questions go from there as far 886 01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:20,520 as recommendations again vary there there's some cities that they're like 887 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:25,920 official they don't want recommendations from their administrator um I personally 888 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:29,120 think that's that's a a that think you're not getting the most benefit out 889 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:33,320 of that and on the other inpection there's cities that just want one 890 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:36,760 recommendation what do you want to do most I say fall in the middle so I if 891 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:40,159 there's three viable options I'm going to bring them three viable options I'm 892 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:44,440 going to make a recommendation on on one of them most of the time I think they go 893 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:49,719 with the staff recommendation but I can think of more than one occasion my my 8 894 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:52,920 years in the profession now where I had a fairly strong recommendation or 895 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:57,480 opinion on something and my elect official went a different direction and 896 01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:01,280 one I supported them wholeheartedly because they're they're the boss and and 897 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:07,000 what they want to do is what we're going to do and secondly I think pretty much 898 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:11,600 every time in hindsight they were right as a administrator I'm not know all 899 01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:15,280 knowing Around Mission or anything so for it's important for me to step back 900 01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:18,480 and say yeah I made a recommendation to do this kind of parking you did this 901 01:11:16,679 --> 01:11:22,679 parking and you were right this was a better thing for the community for the 902 01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:27,480 public and and it worked out just time it's a it's a team thing you need like 903 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,719 off you good administrator good staff good 904 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:36,640 invol thank you for bringing that up I always I always think that's just really 905 01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:42,560 important to mention and for the community to know that you know we are 906 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:47,400 higher as these people that are supposed to know everything and and we generally 907 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:51,400 have a pretty good background but I sometimes don't know all the intricacies 908 01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:55,800 of a Wastewater Plant right so you have experts for that but if I do bring in a 909 01:11:54,360 --> 01:12:00,320 recommendation for I may feel very strongly about it I me 910 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:05,040 all of us administrators kind of pick and choose when to fall on a sword you 911 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:09,159 know for specific issues or topics throughout the course of the year right 912 01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:13,960 U but I've had occasions when the when the council does not uh take the 913 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:18,840 recommendation that that I had set forward forward and you know it's really 914 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:24,159 important for us at that point to really check our OS and to realize that we are 915 01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:27,520 not the elected officials we are we are appointed admin 916 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:31,520 and that the elected officials are the ones that make the decisions it isn't us 917 01:12:29,719 --> 01:12:35,360 that make those decisions and so it's really all of us really follow those 918 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:38,560 rules I may think that that was the stupidest decision the council's ever 919 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,440 made and I don't know how I'm going to deal with the aftermath of what they 920 01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:47,239 made but I turn around that next morning I come into the city hall and I direct 921 01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:50,280 the staff to follow through with uh and myself to follow through with the 922 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:53,320 decision that the council had made so they are the elected officials they are 923 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:58,120 the ultimate decision makers okay thank you 924 01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:00,760 next question do you consider yourself on call 925 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:10,440 247 yeah yeah yeah tried to keep separation there you know and I think I 926 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:15,639 everywhere I've been everyone's been respectful of my time and my family and 927 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:19,679 going to the grocery store or whatever but you know we're always there and my 928 01:13:17,719 --> 01:13:25,400 my kids are used to it at this point getting uh you know pulled out of a 929 01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:29,840 vacation dance or a phone call or specific issues so yeah I me we we it's 930 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:33,920 it's like these are our babies these towns are are our our families our 931 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,080 babies we're going to be there to to help make sure that the right decisions 932 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:41,000 are made and we're going to be there when we get called upon I've had three 933 01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:46,880 calls from council members of the hour the half we've been here so yeah yeah 934 01:13:44,679 --> 01:13:46,880 you 935 01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:55,760 are okay um can be respectful to you um because we know you have to travel and 936 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:59,960 jamus and you have to go farther um I'll call this the last question and 937 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:04,520 if I didn't read some of your questions because we've run out of time and I 938 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:09,440 think they only skip like three or four so in your opinion do you think it would 939 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:13,840 be beneficial to combine the finance officer position with the city 940 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:17,520 administrator position would it be more cost effective and allow both positions 941 01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:23,159 to be done [Applause] 942 01:14:20,440 --> 01:14:29,800 adequately um I'll take a stab at that um for the better part of the last I'd 943 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:35,400 say 50 years in South Dakota that's the finance officer basically served that 944 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:40,880 that role as a as a city administrator and a lot of them have done that very 945 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:45,040 effectively um and some of the communities that's still the case and 946 01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:48,920 they do call them finance officer City administrator um and if that's something 947 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:53,440 you want to do you know I don't think that's as pure as a form as as as having 948 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:57,800 an administrator because I do think they're too separate 949 01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:02,000 responsibilities I am not a finance officer I Rely completely on my finance 950 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:06,600 officer for everything that is not my expertise that is not my background you 951 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:11,679 don't want me to be finance officer I can tell you that right now so um you 952 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:16,120 know the two separate roles it allows those Finance officers to concentrate on 953 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:19,280 their job to make sure those City books are in order to make sure that they're 954 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:25,040 prepared for audits that they're providing solid recommendations uh to 955 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:29,719 the Council on on on on fiscal uh decisions so I I I do think they're 956 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:35,600 separate I think there's room for both within a community um and and and I know 957 01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:39,560 you know I've been in I was the first in in ladex where where they uh the you 958 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:45,239 know the finance officer had trepidations about uh the administrator 959 01:15:42,199 --> 01:15:48,360 coming in it's still pretty un and um I can say that they're just part of the 960 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,679 they're they are part of the team they're part there there's you know 961 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:55,159 there might be a chain of command but there's not a chain of command is the 962 01:15:53,320 --> 01:16:00,120 way I approach it is that everyone on the same team to to PL forward and do 963 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:05,679 what's best for your community yeah I I would Echo all what 964 01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:10,760 Justin said here um they are different positions uh in lenux 965 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:16,440 they're very different positions and in our case it's more of an accountant 966 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:20,719 making sure that uh you know accounts payable accounts reable utility building 967 01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:25,040 all those things are done reliably and effici and effectively those are things 968 01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:29,280 you're going to want to do I I can future fisal analysis still the base if 969 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:32,760 you want me to be an accountant you're going to have to find somebody else uh 970 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:38,280 and that's very much what that position is and um it's not you know I like to 971 01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:42,120 think in lenux it's more of a partnership between those two positions 972 01:16:40,639 --> 01:16:45,679 um those two positions need to work closely together they need to be very 973 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,400 trusting of each other um they need to be able to have very vulnerable 974 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:55,560 conversations with each other about finances about where things are at uh 975 01:16:51,280 --> 01:17:02,560 I'm I'm on my second finance officer uh was in wor Antics uh for a while U 976 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:10,159 recently retired um then came on reti work here um very quickly but I think if 977 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:15,880 you were to ask and my my new finance officer i what does that look like um 978 01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:21,440 bouncing ideas off each other work closely every day to figure to solve 979 01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:25,560 problems um it's more of a u a Consulting relationship than it is a 980 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:30,280 reporting relationship for us it's just a it's a very close 981 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:33,880 partnership uh and uh my wife would would often say me I feel like you know 982 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:38,760 your finance officer better go e some because you really do spend that much 983 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:42,719 time with them uh and uh you get to know them that well because you're just 984 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:46,960 working that closely together it's such a close partnership and it's meant to 985 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:50,600 it's meant to be a close partnership to make things effec 986 01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:03,760 okay um I want to thank all of you for coming out here tonight for this I want 987 01:18:01,639 --> 01:18:09,920 to thank everyone who sent in emails with the questions um we appreciate it 988 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:18,480 we had a good number of questions some of them were Rel to to but um no and 989 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:24,080 thank you especially for coming over here and doing this for our community 990 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:24,080 thank you 991 01:18:31,380 --> 01:18:35,639 [Applause] [Music] 992 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:39,760 we're all available in time to have these discussions we're here to Advocate 993 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:44,600 Jameson's the president of the South Dakota City Managers Association so uh I 994 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:48,280 think we feel these kind of inquiries through through Jameson right now so 995 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,560 yeah exactly what I was going to say and and to go a little bit further if you 996 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:56,400 have any questions tonight I'm happy to stick around for a little bit talk more 997 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:59,480 oneon-one about any questions concerns whatever you have I think we're all 998 01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:03,679 happy to sck out thank you