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100 Pulk Avenue in Cape Canaveral,
Florida. I call this meeting to order.

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And with that, Council Member Shoryak,
would you please lead us in the pledge?

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you. City clerk, please call the
role.

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» Yeah. Good afternoon. Mayor Prom Jackson
>> here.

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» Council member King
>> here.

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» Mayor Morrison
>> here.

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» Council member Shoryak
>> here.

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» And council member Willis
>> here.

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» Council, thank you all for being here.
City manager and directors and city

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staff and everyone from our community.
We appreciate you taking the time out of

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the day. It is very good to see well
attended workshop here today.

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If you do intend to speak, uh we will be
getting to public participation here. Um

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item number five on the agenda. We do
ask that you please fill out a public uh

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comment card. We've got some up here.
Thank you all for for filling those out.

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Those are provided in the foyer and
either one of our deputies or city clerk

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will make sure if you give it to them
that you're heard.

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And with that we can proceed. Uh the
first thing is our discussion and just

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to clarify we don't have due to the
workshop and agenda as approved by uh as

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written or amended.
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the order city manager we've got item
4.1 the the benchmark millillage

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presentation by directors and then we
are going to go to public participation.

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That's the order, mayor. And the reason
for that is there's a lot of information

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to convey to the community that we feel
it would be most efficient use of our

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time to get the pres presentation out
first uh before public comment so that

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public comment can be based on that
information as opposed to maybe the

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public coming up to comment uh on
something that we are going to discuss

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already. Uh there's been a lot of work
put into this presentation. Uh but it is

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certainly the pleasure of the council if
you choose to uh rearrange those items

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uh it's it's whatever you would like to
do. We just feel in the interest of time

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if questions or comments are going to be
made about things that are going to be

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discussed maybe wait until they're
discussed first.

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» Okay, that makes sense. council. I think
uh being it's a workshop and I think

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we've got
some time starting in the afternoon uh

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we could if if the council chooses and
respecting what the city manager said if

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anyone does would like to speak now we
could open that up and then after the

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presentation
allow folks to speak as well. We've done

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that in the past and I think some
members might need to go or they they

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really want to speak first
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suggest that as well because some people
may not be able to stay for the entire

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workshop and they tend to run long.
>> Okay. If anyone filled out a public

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participation card and would like to
speak first if this council I should

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take consensus is are we in favor of
allowing that kind of to public

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participation?
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» Okay.
>> How long do you anticipate

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this part of it?
>> I'm gonna That's a great question. The

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question was how long do we uh think the
presentation will take from city staff,

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city manager? So the presentation is
designed to review three the proposed

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millage rate in relations to two other
benchmark rates and what reductions uh

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in and that would look like from a
service standpoint. Uh we have three

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directors slated to present. We have a
fourth director on hand. These are all

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general fund directors uh on hand uh to
answer any questions the council may

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have. So the answer to the question is I
really can't say other than you know you

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know how many how much the council wants
to deliberate uh and go back and forth

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on [clears throat] cuts and services
that will be impacted. I expect it to

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take a while.
>> Yes. [clears throat]

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» Assuming no questions or intervention
the presentation goes through any

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estimation of the time. Well, we started
off saying start at 1:00 and if we can

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close during the normal course of
business by 5, it would be a 4-hour

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meeting, but we're here for as long as
the council needs us to be here. Beyond

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that,
>> I think I'm asking on the presentation

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that that portion. Um, it's 30 or 40
slides, I think.

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» Yeah. I mean, we can run through it and
just go through them. It would take

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maybe 30 to 40 minutes at best. Um again
it depends on any interaction you want

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to have during
>> that's helpful. Thank you. So knowing

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that 30 45 maybe even an hour best uh to
get through this presentation. If

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anybody would like to speak prior we'll
open it up another time. Just raise your

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hand and uh if you don't mind state your
name and I'll

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» Peter McDonald.
>> Peter McD I got your card here. Anyone

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else like to speak before the
presentation? Dr. Shannon Roberts, I got

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your card as well.
Any others? Thank you so much. Okay, Mr.

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McDonald, if you would like, please come
forward.

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And we, as he's coming up, take your
time. Uh, the lights here in front of

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me. Uh, when it's green, it's 3 minutes.
Once the light goes yellow, uh, you got

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about 30 seconds left and we ask that
you wrap up. Once it's red, please state

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your name and address and, uh, the floor
is yours. Thank you.

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» My name is Peter McDonald. I'm a
resident and homeowner in Cape Cana,

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city of Cape Canaveral. I live at 123
Just Road. Uh, I'm also the tennis

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instructor at Nancy Hansen Park. Um,
I've heard uh rumblings that parks and

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recreation is in danger and I wanted to
speak to it for just a moment. I truly

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feel that uh the responsibility of a of
a city is to provide more than just

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being an administrative and tax
collecting entity to to add to give

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something back to the its public and uh
Nancy Hansen Park in particular. I can't

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speak to some of the other entities,
Cape View and and or uh the rec center,

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but Nancy Hansen Park is in a growth
period right now. Uh is is booming on

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the pickle ball side. Three, they're
playing a team match now. Ladies USA

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team matches. Three separate teams that
play there. Um I personally are working

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with a few different uh kids on the high
school team. where, you know, it's just

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building and it actually can build more
in that uh I don't know of too many uh

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parks and tennis clubs and such that are
closed pretty much on the weekend. We're

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only open from 8 to uh 12 on Saturdays.
We open that. That would be more

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revenue. That being said, my point is if
you're looking to cut, why cut something

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that is in the red? It's making money
and it's going to grow and it provides a

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wonderful wonderful
uh thing for the community. I mean, it

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just so, you know, [clears throat] I'm
not privy to all the numbers and millage

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rates and such, but I'm just uh
heartfelt reaching out that this is a

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really positive thing for this
community. And if it were just to be

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dusted over, which I've kind of heard it
might happen, uh it would be tragic. I

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don't want to waste a lot more more of
your time. Thank you for letting me

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speak.
Thank you, Mr. McDonald. [applause]

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Shannon Roberts, 703 Lana Shores Drive
here in the city. U I just wanted as a

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backdrop to what you're what we're all
going to hear with the presentation is I

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feel like we're almost in a save our
city um mode right now and that suggests

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the potential infusion of a ground of a
um crowdfunding gunding initiative

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contributions by the residents
contribution by those that may be in a

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position of contributing just like Dolly
Parton did when she was rescuing you

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know her neighborhood. ood in Tennessee.
And this suggests initiatives such as

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our relationship building with the
hotels, with the port, because they're

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our neighbors. They're part of our
community. And I really believe that is

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a backdrop to the particulars that Joey
is going to be presenting that there's a

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bigger picture here. I feel like we're
in the weeds when we start talking about

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the particulars of, you know, the roll
back and the different options that we

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have for funding. I think we need to
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that's the reason I wanted to speak
before that started because I think we

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need to be talking about big picture
solutions not getting into the

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particular cost because this is
devastating for our city in my opinion

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to look at the roll back implications of
the different millillage levels. We need

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in my opinion we're going to need some
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take big time relationship building big
time outreach big time opportunities for

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our community to contribute in different
ways that may be out of the box

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thinking. So that's from where I'm
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» Thank you, Dr. Roberts.
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» Those are the only two I think noted. If
anyone have a change of heart or would

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like to speak now, otherwise we do have
your cards up here in your name, please.

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» Barnes.
>> Barnes.

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» Burns.
>> Burns. Thank you. Please come forward. I

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have your card right here.

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» I'm nervous. I don't normally do this
kind of thing. and bear with me when I

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read. Um, my name is Patricia Barnes and
I live at 8498 Ridgewood Avenue,

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apartment 2303 in Cape Canaveral.
I have lived in Cape Canaveral since

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2009. I did a quick internet search. Why
did the city of Cape Canaveral build a

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community center? The city of Cape
Canaveral built a community center to

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provide a multi-geneneral fun facility
that supports recreational interests,

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the needs of residents of all ages,
offering a space for community

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gatherings, organized activity, and
indoor sports. This initiative also

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aligns with the city's goals for
revitalization and sustainability.

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What whose idea was it to build the
community center in Cape Canaveral? The

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ideal to build the community center in
Cape Canaveral was part of the city's

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goal for revitalization
and redevelopment aimed at providing

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residents of all ages a p place for the
community gatherings and organized

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activities. The project was de developed
over several years reflecting the

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collaborative efforts of city officials
and community input.

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There's a tab on the city of Cape
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quality of life. It and it reads, "Cape
Canaveral is a warm, inclusive beachside

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community that embraces its small feel
and enhances the beauty and integrity of

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its natural environment. We promote
resiliency, safety, sensibility,

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excuse me, sensible mobility, and a
place and emphasis on pedestrian needs,

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businessfriendly development, and
responsible community stewardship.

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We share a commitment to balanced,
respectful, and neighborly philosophy

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that inspires future ready, essential
civic services and quality of life

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amenities. I love this community and I
want to see it thrive along with the

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people in it. Right now, people are
struggling to find hope and community

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and quality of life. The center was
built on that idea to give that and so

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much more. Please go to the website. Is
it just words with no meaning? Because

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when I read it, I felt hope and promise
of a better way of life. And just one

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more note,

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what happens to the prestigious diamond
award the city received from the East

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Central Florida Regional Planning
Council for its community center? An

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award that honors the region's best
urban planning projects promoting

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equity, healthy neighborhoods,
conversation, and economic v vitality.

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Thank you very much.
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» Thank you, Miss Barns.

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Would anyone else like to speak? Yes.
Your name, sir?

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» Michael Mahia.
>> Michael Mahia.

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» Thank you, sir. I assume I have your
card. Go ahead and come forward. If not,

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please fill one out.
>> I don't see a card for you, Mr. Mahia.

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Oh, no. Yes, I do. I apologize. Right
here, please. Floor is yours. Thank you.

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» Michael Mahia, 2011 International Drive.
Cape Canaveral 32920.

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Each one of us manages a personal budget
for housing, food, phone, etc., which

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affects our families. With the current
budget crisis, there are potentially 10

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city employees at C5 alone who will be
unemployed potentially October 1st. They

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themselves are affected. Their families
fear of losing insurance, the ability to

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buy food, pay the mortgage, and afford
other discretionary purchases are at

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risk. The decisions made in this types
of meeting in this workshop, I'm sorry,

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don't affect you folks. Um, might I
suggest that the council does our civic

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duty civic duty without pay? Have all
auctions been exhausted? How about

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selling property like the parking lot
west of the dog park purchase from my

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understanding for approximately $1
million. What is the current value at

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this present time? And I'm going to
concentrate the rest of my presentation

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on C5 alone. As I said, 10 people are
likely affected. Not only them, the

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members, the subcontractors like Scott
Marian, a trainer who owns half of his

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income by using the facility to train
customers. A number of have prepaid

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their fees. How will they be refunded?
Is Scott going to be responsible? Will

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the city step forward? It's of no fault
of his own. The financial health or lack

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thereof is in dire straits. When you
choose close a community center, you're

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destroying the sense of community. In
essence, a death by a thousand cuts. So,

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one question I leave you with as it
relates to the health of our city, ask

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yourself, if you're not going to get
involved, who is? If you're not going to

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do it now, when are you going to do it?
Thanks.

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» Thank you, Mr. Mahia. Would anyone else
like to speak this time? Yes, your name.

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» Lisa, please come forward. Thank you. I
have your card right here.

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» I don't do this, so don't mind me.
>> Okay. So, I felt I needed to do this

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because there's just a lot going on with
our city. Uh, good afternoon, mayor and

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council members. Um, I think we need to
take a really careful look at the

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proposed millage rate before making any
permanent cuts to the services,

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employees, and facilities of Cape
Canaveral as a community. I understand

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we're facing significant budget
shortfalls. I understand the difficult

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decisions you have to make, but why are
we going directly to permanent

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reductions in employees services,
recreational facilities before every

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other reasonable has been exhausted?
Have you explored grants or um any

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outside funding? Have we looked at
revenue producing opportunities,

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including city-owned properties and
other assets? Um have we thoroughly

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reviewed administrative and
discretionary spending, contracts, and

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other expenses before asking asking
residents to pay more while

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simultaneously losing all of our
services?

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Um, also, uh, I looked at the papers on
the millage rates, but one thing it

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doesn't explain is how much that's going
to affect each household. It might be

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easier for families to take if they saw
that it would be a smaller increase in

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their budgets. Yeah. If it's $1,000 more
a year, you're talking $100 or less a

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month. That might be easier to accept,
you know. Um I also want to make it uh

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known that you know cutting the
employees doesn't necessarily mean

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cutting costs. If we eliminate the
positions you're talking about

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especially uh well C5 that's a whole
another story. All that that's just sad.

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But even infrastructure maintenance
there there's talk of it going down to

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one employee. How is one employee going
to maintain the city? They do so much

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right now. They they do um
you know all the beach work, all the

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trimming of the trees, keeping the areas
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How can one person possibly do that? So
that would then have to be what?

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Contract it out. That's not going to
save money because you're still paying

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money to contract it out. Um
forgive me.

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uh if we do the reduce it to one
employee, it's just doesn't seem

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feasible how we can do it. Um you know,
that's a team that that does that work

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now. So, and you know, so far as the C5
and Nancy Hansen, they're not just

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buildings. It's, you know, where our
children go and families and seniors

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come together. It's part of what makes
Cape Canaveral a community, not just a

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place where people live. Um, and I think
the decisions that we make now will

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determine the future, ultimately the
fate of our city. Like, what do we want

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to be? Do we want to be a transient town
where it's all just tourists and that's

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it? Or do we want to keep our families
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something that occurred to me before I
came here. Okay, I'm going. I'll do the

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rest later. Just one thing. Something
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» Um, not Manatee Park, but the one on the
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» Mhm.
>> That's riverfront property, and I don't

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know how much it's utilized, but I
looked up,

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» Miss Gandandy, it I we have to cut it at
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» But that property could be sold for
three to$6 million, and that could put a

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big dent in the budget.
>> Thank you very much. [applause]

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» Yes, Mr. Visomin
please come forward

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Alvisy uh 421 Lincoln Avenue um Cape
Canaveral. I'm a 40-year resident of of

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the city. Um I was going to speak about
something different, but after hearing

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what people were saying, I understand
that everybody wants this stuff. My

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problem is a city budget that went from
27 million in 24 25 to 40 million today.

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Where is our money going? That's really
what it is. And if it can be cut

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somewhere, it has to be. We're just
spending too much money. Now, whether

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it's I don't want to say you can cut you
can cut all the parks. I know people

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like to use the parks. I know on the
weekends uh that park is open. You can

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play pickle ball. It's open. No, I think
there's only one person there. If you

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can do that during the week, then you
can keep it open. You you you have to be

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able to bring this down. We have gone up
between 70 and 100% on almost every one

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of our departments. It has to be there
has to be room to cut. Our employees get

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paid very well. I think I think
everybody's happy that all our employees

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are happy with the pay they get, the
benefits they get, and everything. It's

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a pleasure to work, I think, for Cape
Canaveral. when you look at the

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surrounding cities. The other point is
is that we have Indian Harbor Beach,

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which is right down the block. Their
budget is $13 million. They have a pool.

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They have their own police department.
They're the same size as us. They're the

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same population as us. How is it
possible that we're spending that much

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money? We don't only spent the 37
million, don't forget, we also in that

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period of time managed to spend our $8
million reserve. So, we have overspent.

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We have a spending problem where where
we can adjust it from from this point. I

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don't know. Yeah. Are we gonna have to
make drastic cuts? Probably. Selling

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property might be something. I thought
of a couple of different things. I I've

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heard that in Vegas they charge a a tax
on hotel rooms. $15, $20 a night for

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hotel rooms. We have all those hotels.
Let's make some money from the port

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other than just putting up hotels so
people can stay there and go. There is

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other avenues to make money if the
council wants to open it up to

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discussion. But I do think that we have
to get our spending on the way there.

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There's no way we can keep up with the
amount of spending we are. And then we

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have amendment three coming right down
the block which is going to cut again.

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And they're going to look at us and say,
"How can Indian Harbor do it for that

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price?" and we're this we're not going
to get the kickback from the state. They

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are going to that's how they're going to
work this. They're going to say

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population size they're going to
comparison of cities and when you ask

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for the money the additional monies that
we're going to need because we're going

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to be obviously even lower than we are
now. That's how they're going to make a

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decision. So we have to get our our
house in order. Thank you. Thank you.

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[applause]
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anyone else like to speak this time?
Seeing none, we will close public

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participation
for now and uh I think open it back up

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later in the meeting. After hearing
that, I do think and before going to our

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city manager for staff, I'd like to just
make a few comments. Um, for those of

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you who who've seen the presentation,
seen uh media headlines, I completely

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understand
a lot of the comments that we heard

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today.
But I can tell you this council has not

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made any decisions, nor did this council
ask for the specific

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items that will be included in this
presentation. And so with that, I'd like

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to and I think it's really important to
just start with an opening statement

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here that I prepared and then we can
move on. Thank you again for your time

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and those of you who spoke and we'll uh
speak at the end.

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I had the opportunity to review the
workshop presentation before tonight's

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meeting. Because of the importance of
the decisions before us, I believe it is

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necessary to begin with a clear
statement about why we are here, how I

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intend to guide the discussion and who
we are responsible for representing.

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We the council do not represent city
hall to the people. We represent the

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people to city hall. That principle must
guide every decision we make about

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taxes, spending, staffing, services, and
non-personnel costs. I want to thank my

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fellow council members. Each member
brings a different perspective, and each

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of us understands the responsibility
before us. We may not agree on every

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number or solution, but I believe we
share a desire to protect this community

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and leave the city stronger than we
found it. I also want to recognize our

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city manager and the staff members who
prepared these materials today and along

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the way to get here. The city manager
inherited a very difficult financial

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situation.
He and his team have worked to explain

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the possible effects of different budget
reductions. Those concerns deserve to be

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heard and taken seriously. Our employees
perform very important work. They serve

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residents, maintain facilities, respond
to emergencies, process permits, keep

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records, and perform many duties the
public may never see. This meeting is

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not about attacking them or anyone. No
employee is on trial this afternoon. The

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city's cost structure is absolutely
under review. That review must include

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personnel and non-personnel costs.
Salaries and benefits are viable and

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important, but they are not the entire
budget. contracts, consultants,

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professional services, supplies,
utilities, insurance, maintenance,

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technology,
equipment, travel, memberships,

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facilities, programs, and other
operating expenses also require

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scrutiny. Every reoccurring expense must
be justified by the service it provides

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and the priority it serves. Employees
deserve respect, honest leadership, fair

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compensation where justified, and an
organization that can keep the promises

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it makes to them. Residents deserve
those exact same things from their

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government. They deserve essential
services that work, infrastructure that

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protects their homes, honest financial
information, taxes they can afford, and

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a council willing to ask hard questions
before taking another dollar from them.

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That's a lovely melody.
It's a nice backdrop.

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» Is that something that
[laughter]

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» I will proceed?

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They deserve essential services that
work, infrastructure that protects their

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homes, honest financial information,
taxes they can afford, and a council

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willing to ask hard questions before
taking another dollar from them.

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Residents are people, too.
They are the retired homeowners trying

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to remain in the homes they worked their
entire lives to afford. They are

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families facing rising insurance,
utilities, groceries, housing costs.

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They are renters who pay property taxes
through their rent. They are small

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businesses dealing with higher wages,
insurance, and operating expenses. They

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are residents worried that the community
they love is becoming too expensive for

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them to remain here. City employees
should never be invisible in a budget

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decision, but neither should the
taxpayers who fund every paycheck, every

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benefit, building, vehicle, facility,
contract, program, and operating

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expense. I understand that some
employees feel this financial problem is

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being placed on their backs even though
they did not personally create it. Many

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of them did not. But residents did not
create it either. Residents did not

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prepare the budgets. residents did not
authorize expenditures, reconcile the

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accounts, or decide how large the
organization and its ongoing cost would

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become.
A budget reduction is not discipline,

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[music] blame, or punishment. It is a
governing decision about what the city

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can afford. Accountability does not mean
finding someone to humiliate. It means

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understanding what happened, correcting
it, and making sure it does not happen

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again. My position is also not based on
stubbornly repeating a six-year-old

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campaign promise. My concern about taxes
was never simply a promise that a tax

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rate could never change under any
circumstance. It was a warning that

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government must live within its means,
fund essential services first, and

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justify every additional dollar it
takes. For years, I warned that

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expanding facilities, programs,
staffing, and ongoing cost would

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eventually reach the taxpayer.
construction or CRA money. It can pay

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for a building, but it does not
permanently staff, clean, ensure, power,

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maintain, or repair that building. A
ribbon cutting lasts one day. The

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operating bill continues every year.
Hindsight does not make that warning

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unreasonable.
Hindsight shows why it mattered. Before

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asking residents for more, we the
government must prove that it has

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examined the entire budget. Not just the
most visible employees and services, but

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also non-personnel expenditures and the
assumptions supporting them. This is not

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an anti- park, anti-recreation
or anti-service position. Parks matter.

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Recreation matters. Community programs
can strengthen our city. But priorities

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still matter. Some responsibilities can
only be handled by municipal government.

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The private market will not repair a
flooded street, maintain our storm water

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system, operate our drainage
infrastructure, preserve public records,

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or provide the public safety services
this community depends on. A private gym

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or recreation provider can offer fitness
classes and programming. The private

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market cannot take over the city's
responsibility to protect a neighborhood

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from flooding. That difference must
guide our priorities. A recreation

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center may be valuable. That does not
make its current hours, staffing,

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programming, contracts, supplies,
maintenance cost, or taxpayer subsidy

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untouchable
once the city owns a park. Basic

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service, basic safety, cleanliness, and
maintenance are obligation expansion,

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and enhanced programming are all
choices. A beautiful facility does not

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comfort a family standing in flood
water. That does not mean a recreation

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project caused flooding. It means every
dollar has another possible use. When

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amenities expand while drainage,
streets, lighting, or basic maintenance

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remain unresolved, council must ask
whether we have our priorities in the

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right order. The financial problem
before us did not appear overnight.

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Historical results show repeated years
in which spending exceeded dependable

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revenue or the city relied on cash
forward transfers and other one-time

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resources as our city manager has stated
and provided.

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Cash forward is not reoccurring revenue.
Reserves can help the city survive an

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emergency or cover up a one-time need.
They cannot permanently support payroll

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contracts. non-personnel expenses and
normal operations. That brings us to the

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central standard of for this workshop
today. Dependable reoccurring revenues

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must match or at least slightly exceed
reoccurring expenditures.

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Not by counting reserves as income or
depending on uncertain grants or selling

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assets or relying on one-time federal
funds or assuming that every existing

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contract, purchase, program, or
operating expense must continue

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unchanged

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and not by postponing the same problem
until next year. We must adopt a

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balanced reoccurring budget and
establish a clear plan to restore

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reserves. As our city manager in this
council has stated, a higher tax rate

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could make a spreadsheet balance, but a
tax increase by itself is not a

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management plan. Before council
considers 4.5 mills or any increases

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above roll back, we need to know what
reoccurring gap remains after reasonable

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changes have been made. We need to know
whether the rate restores reserves or

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simply preserves current spending. We
need to know what non-personnel

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reductions, contract changes, delayed
projects, program adjustments, and

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operational efficiencies have been
evaluated. And we need to know what

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prevents the same problem from returning
next year. I want to address a very

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important part of our recent history
because it directly informs the

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decisions before us today. In the past,
council asked for financial information

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that went beyond what was considered
standard. We asked additional questions

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because we were told that the city could
not cut any further. When former city

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management said, quote, "We can't cut
anymore or reduce." We found out through

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research that we could and we did.
Before making those reductions, we made

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clear that maintaining an appropriate
reserve was essential. After reductions

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were made to expenses that could not
adequately be justified, council was

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provided a revised budget showing that
the council could reduce taxes, balance

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the budget, and maintain reserves above
the minimum level. The budget book by

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code
this volunteer group of council members

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relied upon from a highly compensated
city manager at that time

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that budget book was materially
incorrect.

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There has been a statement that council
was warned and failed to listen to the

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need to increase taxes.
I remember those meetings. I sat in them

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and I even went back and watched them.
The original proposal did include a tax

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increase. Council then asked whether we
could maintain reserves and reduce

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expenses sufficiently to allow that tax
decrease. Council was assured in the

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revised budget that we could do so.
There was no warning that the plan was

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impossible. there was an assurance that
it was achievable. What I find most

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revealing and what in my opinion exposes
the root problem is what happened with

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the adoption of the fiscal year 24
budget that occurred in September of

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2023.
Many of the the council members only two

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of us up here sat on that
dis.

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Those who now argue that council should
have listened to warnings about tax

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increases often point to that budget as
the quote responsible model. Yet, it's

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that very budget that had increased
taxes again following increases in prior

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years brought in a substantial increase
in property tax revenue.

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A very large budgeted contingency on top
of the built-in contingencies already

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embedded in many individual line items.
Despite my opposing vote, council

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adopted that budget.
That was also the same year in which one

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of the largest depletions of reserves
occurred.

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What happened? Expenditures dramatically
exceeded revenues. The SPI city spent

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through the large contingency that was
budgeted. It then used one of the

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largest amounts of reserves as stated in
our recent history, even while

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benefiting from a substantial windfall
of federal ARPA grant funds. That does

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not demonstrate a revenue problem. It
demonstrates a financial management

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problem. At no point did the city
manager appear to pause midyear, notify

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council that appropriations were
exceeding revenues, and recommend timely

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adjustments to protect the budget and
reserves. There was no meaningful notice

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before more than $1 million was
transferred from the people's reserves,

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reducing them from approximately
little over 20% to 10%. There was also

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no notice to council to f the following
budget year as required by the city

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code. So what happened? Council reduced
taxes based on the numbers provided in

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the budget and relied on reserve figures
that were dramatically overstated.

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Why was the tax increase the model of
how to do it responsibly in 2024 not

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enough? Why was the contingency not
enough? Why were the lower priority

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projects that could have been paused and
transferred to higher priorities

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not enough to protect reserves? And why
were non-personnel expenses, contracts,

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and other operating costs not adjusted
when actual spending began to exceed

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dependable revenues? Those are
management and financial control

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questions. They are not questions that
can be answered simply by saying that

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council should have raised taxes. I am
not shifting blame. I am acknowledging

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who does what. And at the end of the
day, the buck stops with the council.

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But council cannot responsibly govern
without accurate information, timely

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notice, and professional recommendations
from management.

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The responsible
the quote responsible council

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gave the former city manager and finance
director what they requested

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followed the warnings presented to us
and adopted a budget that increased

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taxes. The result was a substantial
squandering of funds and a major

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depletion of reserves.
Even if individual expenses that went

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over were justified, the lack of timely
notice and corrective action was not. As

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our current city manager and new finance
director have pointed out, this did not

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happen only once. It occurred over years
of deficit spending going back

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over a decade.
We are the team that is going to make

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sure that never happens again. I believe
that it began with asking for more

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information despite being told that the
city was fine, that a tax increase would

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quote keep us strong and that the
financial condition of the city was

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sound. We heard applauses during audit
presentations. We saw awards, positive

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narratives in budget books and
statements about the city's financial

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health and the state of the city
presentations. We heard promises that

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residents taxes would not increase
because of our community centers or

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recreational upgrades. I also remember
the aggressive response in a former

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meeting when I used the term quote slush
fund in a very benign way.

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former councils at that time in 2018
demanded that I apologize.

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Today, thanks to the work of our new
city manager and his team, I believe I

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have learned that the unassigned fund
balance was being used as a de facto

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slush fund, covering up operating
deficits and preserving a false

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narrative about the city's financial
condition. Tax increases did not fix the

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root problem then they allowed the
underlying financial mismanagement

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problem to continue. That is why our
review must include the entire cost

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structure including those non-personnel
expenses.

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We must examine whether contracts are
necessary and competitively priced,

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whether consultants are providing
measurable value, whether supplies and

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services are being purchased
efficiently, and whether facilities and

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programs are operating at appropriate
levels, and whether projects can be

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delayed, and whether reoccurring
expenses are supported by reoccurring

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revenues. And we must all show show the
residents what each option costs them.

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To one of the public comments and some
of the presentations, these are

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estimations, but the difference between
a 4.5 mil and the 3.2546 2546. Roll back

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property tax rate would be approximately
$250 annually on a $200,000 taxable

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value home or property. $374
on a $300,000.

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just under $500 on a $400,000
property and $623

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on $500,000 and $747
on $600,000.

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Those examples only show the difference
in the city tax from the roll back and

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it not with the resident's entire
property tax bill or remaining taxes

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they pay to the city. Some may consider
those amounts as reasonable and

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manageable. Others
will not. City Hall does not get to

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decide that an increase is affordable or
for every household or personal

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circumstance. Our responsibility is to
show the actual cost and this council

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needs to weigh it openly against the
services residents will receive. A

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resident's home cannot become city
hall's automatic balancing account. We

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must also reject the idea that our only
choices are 4.5 mills or layoffs.

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Closures and collapse are not the
necessary end result. That is not a

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complete set of options. Council must
also examine vacancies, delayed hiring,

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consolidation, shared services,
contracts, consultant costs, facility

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hours, program fees, sponsorships,
partnerships, procurement practices,

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non-personnel operating expenses as
stated, and the delay of non-essential

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projects in which many of those are city
manager and staff has worked through.

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Some of those may not work. Some may not
save enough to make it reasonable, but

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our management must evaluate and this
council must determine before the public

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is told that the only the highest tax
rate can prevent disaster.

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Words within the presentation such as
collapse, paralysis, and catastrophic

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are not budget measurements. If a
service will fail, tell council what

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duty will not be performed, when it will
happen, how residents will experience

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it, and whether management can reduce
the harm. Tell us whether service moves

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from excellent to good, good to fair, or
fair to unac acceptable.

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If a consequence
cannot be measured, it should not be

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presented as certain. The same standard
applies to staffing. Competitive

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compensation
and the number of positions we can

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afford are completely separate
questions. Few residents reached out

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with some of these points to the council
and that's why I'm sharing them here

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because I find that I agree. The city
may need to pay retained employees more

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competitively. Absolutely. That does not
prove that every position, program,

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contract, non-personnel expense, and
current service level must remain

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unchanged.
We should determine what work is legally

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required, what workload exists, what
service residents receive, what it cost,

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and whether the work can be organized
differently. Pay the employees we need

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fairly. Determine separately how many
positions and programs and operating

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expenses the community can afford. That
recommendation must come from our city

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manager. Employees should not
Employees should provide facts, workload

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information, and professional knowledge.
[clears throat]

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They should not be placed in the
uncomfortable position of publicly

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defending their own livelihoods. Council
sets policy and priorities. The city

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manager must turn those priorities into
a professional recommendation for the

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organization as a whole. That is why I
intend

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at this workshop and ask and request
that this council please direct all of

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our questions first to the city manager.
For each major expense or proposed

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reduction, council needs a few basic
answers in which all may not be able to

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be answered and in no particular order.
Is it legally required or essential?

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What services do residents receive? What
does it cost, including personnel and

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non-personnel costs? And is the expense
reoccurring or one time? and can it be

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delivered differently? Many of those
have been answered and provided, but we

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need to make sure with adjustments we're
doing that. Payroll is an input.

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Contracts, supplies, and facilities,
facilities, and other operating expenses

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are also inputs. Service is the result.
Our goal this afternoon should not be to

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defend an existing number, department,
contract, or organizational chart. Our

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goal should be to build the most
effective government for our residents

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that we can afford this council. And my
hope is that we leave this evening with

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a clear direction for our city manager,
bring us a balanced reoccurring budget,

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and hopefully a reserve restoration plan
is in sight. Clear service levels

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communicated, reasonable alternatives,
and a review of non-personnel cost, and

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an honest explanation of what each
option costs the residents.

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I do not think those are unreasonable
requests and much of the information

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already exists. We need to organize it
into a decision this council can

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understand, the public can verify and
management can carry out. I believe this

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council is capable of doing that and I
absolutely believe our city manager and

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employees are capable of meeting that
standard. And most importantly, I

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believe the residents and constituents
of Cape Canaveral can understand

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difficult choices when we speak to them
honestly. We can protect essential

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services without protecting every past
expenditure. We can respect employees

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without asking taxpayers to accept a
cost structure they cannot afford. We

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can value our parks and recreation
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while putting flooding, ba basic public
safety, roads, drainage,

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sanitation, records, and basic
maintenance first. We can examine

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contracts, consultants, and the other
expenditures

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without assuming that every reduction is
an attack on service.

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And city hall does not get to decide
that an increase is affordable for every

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household.

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We can correct the past without making
this meeting about personal blame. We

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can come out of this process with a
government that is more focused, open,

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and financially sound. This is not
anti-mp employee. This is not anti- park

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or anti-service of any sort. It is pro-
resident, pro- essential services,

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pro-acc accountability, and
pro-responsible

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government. The people did not elect us
to protect city hall from difficult

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decisions. They elected us to make those
decisions on their behalf. Residents

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work, sacrifice, save, and sometimes go
without to fund this city. They deserve

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excellent essential services, fairly
treated employees, protected homes,

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honest financial information, and a
council willing to ask hard questions

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before taking one more dollar. They also
deserve to know that every dollar

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whether spent on personnel or any other
expense has been examined and justified.

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That is why I believe it was important
to begin this workshop with this

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statement that has hopefully some clear
direction. Let us be respectful. Let us

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be factual. Let us question assumptions
without attacking. And let us replace

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fear with facts and turn those facts
into responsible choices. And most

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importantly, let us remember council who
sent us here. The city belongs to the

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people and it's time for this budget to
prove it. Thank you for your patience as

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we read through that.

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» [applause]

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» I know
I know that's lengthy. This council does

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not speak due to sunshine law. Over the
past several weeks, our city manager has

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worked through some tremendous difficult
challenges, made some public statements

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related to other matters and
specifically this matter. And as I've

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seen social media and post and and media
reaching out and just everyday

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conversations in our neighborhoods, I
hadn't really said anything and I hadn't

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really put a strong position out. And I
felt that it was important before we

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head into our public hearings that you
know where I stand. And uh I'm certainly

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speaking for myself and trying to do my
best as mayor to set a direction that

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ultimately a majority of this council
will decide. I am one individual but I

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respect each and every one of you very
much. Thank you for allowing uh me to

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work through that and thank you all
again for for being a part of this and

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listening in. City manager with that.
Thank you sir. Um I believe we can

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proceed with the presentation.
>> Thank you mayor. Thank you council and

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thank you Cape Canaveral community who
are here uh in person and those who are

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attending online and ultimately those
who may watch this recording once it is

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available uh for your viewing. We
appreciate your time and attention on

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this very important matter. I want to
commend our staff for the amount of time

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and effort they have put into getting
this presentation together. Uh

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answering to the mandates and questions
uh posed by council. Our finance

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director works late hours these days and
on weekends. I get emails from him as

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00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:30,160
late as 11:30 p.m. um when he's
responding to members of this dis. And

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so again, I just want to commend all of
our staff for their efforts uh to get us

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here today. I want to ask before we
proceed, could you please turn off all

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your devices?

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All devices.
Secondly, um I want to talk a little bit

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about today's presentation.
Um the mill rates that are listed under

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item 41 for discussion are not options
for the council to choose. They're

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benchmarks as we stated in the agenda
and they are listed that way because we

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entered today with a proposed millage
rate of 4.5.

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4.5 mills is our proposed millage rate
and that requires a unanimous vote. All

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five members of this council to vote on
that everything the next level is the

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3.581
and then the level before that below

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00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:31,040
that is the 3.2546.
So, if we just refer to them generally

627
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:35,599
as 4.5, 3.5, and 3.2, please know that's
what we're talking about in general. Uh,

628
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:42,480
those other levels require different
voting thresholds. At a 3.5, it needs

629
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:47,680
anything between a a 3.5 and a 3.2 is
going to require um a 4 to one vote,

630
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:52,880
which we call a supermajority.
And uh anything above is going to

631
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:57,040
require unanimous. And anything below at
3.25 25 or below is just a simple

632
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:01,680
majority vote. So these are not
presented as options for the council to

633
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:06,000
choose. Again, these are just benchmarks
for discussion so they understand

634
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:10,880
whatever millage rate that they think
they want, how they have to vote in

635
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:16,160
order to achieve that. So thank you for
that. We also want to talk about how we

636
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:20,799
got here uh regarding
deficit reduction.

637
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:26,079
When we approach the budget, we look at
three general areas where we can reduce

638
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:30,640
expenses. And those areas are capital,
operational, and personnel. And if

639
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:35,440
you've attended or watched previous
budget workshops, you know that we have

640
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:40,880
attacked this issue by looking at those
three categories. We had a CIP workshop

641
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:46,000
where we started off in March presenting
what was of potential. But when we got

642
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:51,280
deep into our budget deficit, we
realized that we had to cut severely our

643
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:56,400
capital projects that are funded out of
the general fund. Okay. So today's

644
00:57:54,559 --> 00:58:02,960
conversation about the budget is
centered around the general fund largely

645
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:08,319
which accounts for 40% of our overall
taxes. I'm sorry, which is funded

646
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:13,599
through uh taxes. 40% of our general
fund is through taxes.

647
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:19,520
So, we've looked at our capital
expenditures and we've left very few

648
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:25,520
things in there. Uh council is certainly
um open to discussing those. We have a

649
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:31,760
$90,000 study that we've planned uh to
do for impact fee study. We cannot raise

650
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:37,280
our impact fees to generate additional
revenue unless we have a legally

651
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:41,680
defensible study to back up our fees and
that study doesn't come cheap. And so

652
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:46,000
we've left that in as a capital uh
expenditure. We also left another

653
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:51,200
capital expenditure dealing with a road
project. Um that project was awarded uh

654
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:57,200
that the contract for that project was
awarded to a contractor. Uh so $150,000

655
00:58:54,799 --> 00:59:02,079
from our general fund is supporting that
project. the rest out of our enterprise

656
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:06,720
accounts and I believe Joey that was the
only other that was the only other

657
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:11,280
capital expense or the the one for it.
Yeah, we have a remote server out of

658
00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:14,720
state actually that we have to pay for
by law as it helps service our

659
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:19,440
community. So those are the three
capital expenditures uh that are left in

660
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:23,680
the budget that council can certainly
consider. uh really the only one

661
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:30,240
available would be the raftillis study.
That's the company for the 90,000 should

662
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:34,160
council 10 and not do that this year.
The second category is operational

663
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,839
costs. And when we talk about that,
we're talking about, you know, the

664
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:43,200
bullets and the beans and the band-aids,
right? The equipment, the parts, the

665
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:49,040
contracts, the the general costs to run
a city um from an expense standpoint.

666
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:53,760
and staff has sharpened their pencils on
that and we have come back with what we

667
00:59:51,839 --> 01:00:00,480
believe are the the the the strongest
cuts that we can take in our general

668
00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:07,520
fund and that leaves personnel and when
a proposed military of 4.5% is what the

669
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:12,799
majority voted on then those are our
marching orders and unless u there's a

670
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:18,400
desire and even the feasibility to go
higher we walk into today's meeting at

671
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:24,000
4.5
which means the elimination of multiple

672
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:31,040
positions just to achieve that level. So
we walk in today as a 43 employee

673
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:35,599
general fund city to a 28 employee
general fund city to achieve that

674
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:43,440
millage rate and and that's just how the
numbers lay out. So working forward if

675
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:47,599
we stay at 4.5 that's what our general
fund employees will look like. Plus, we

676
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,960
have 20 in our enterprise accounts to
run sewer, storm water, and reclaim

677
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:54,960
water.
So, that that's the benchmark or the

678
01:00:53,280 --> 01:01:00,000
starting point for this conversation.
And I just wanted to frame that because

679
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:04,000
you'll see in this presentation, we have
three directors who are going to present

680
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:08,240
in the following order. Our finance
director, Joey Blackard, will go over

681
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:14,000
the main presentation
uh which you will see overall the

682
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:21,040
reductions in staffing and corresponding
what we believe to be a corresponding

683
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:27,200
reduction in service and and these
conclusions are are

684
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:31,359
not easy to come to. We can we can
speculate, we can best guess, we can

685
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:37,040
surmise through experience, we can
clearly define in other cases,

686
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:40,960
but anybody can be critical and pick
this apart and say, "Well, do this or do

687
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:45,200
that or whatever." It's my job to do
that and it's the staff's job to do

688
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:50,319
that. But we will take any input that we
get from council and any input from the

689
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:55,839
community. But at the end of the day, we
have to meet a 4.5 proposed millillage

690
01:01:53,119 --> 01:02:00,720
rate or less depending on how the
council p the council proceeds uh with

691
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:06,640
this presentation. So, we'll first hear
from our finance director and then we

692
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:12,240
will hear from our um our parks uh and
recreation cult uh director. We'll talk

693
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:17,119
about specifically how we would proceed
with our facilities. I I just want to go

694
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:21,839
on record to say that no one has ever
said that we are closing those

695
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:27,839
facilities. What we have said is that if
we cannot staff them due to meeting the

696
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:34,000
budget cut mandates, then we would open
them up for lease to an entity in some

697
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:38,160
fashion. And we'll we'll dive into what
that would look like moving forward. And

698
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:43,280
that won't happen overnight. It won't be
we're out October 1 and someone else is

699
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:47,520
in, you know, we're out September 30th
and someone else is in October 1. It

700
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:52,960
won't happen that fast. And those
facilities will remain vacant and

701
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:59,119
unoccupied and unused until such time as
they can be staffed by whomever the city

702
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:04,160
chooses to operate them depending again
on what millage rate is ultimately

703
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:08,079
decided by this council. So I wanted to
be very clear about that. And then our

704
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:15,200
final pre presenter will be our human
resources uh director who will go over

705
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:20,640
um ultimately what costs do or incur or
we will incur as a result of reductions.

706
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:25,920
Uh again when you lose people and and
knowledge and so forth, you know, you're

707
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:31,760
going to lose uh functionality. And when
we approached this budget um

708
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:37,760
conversation, we started in looking at
what are essential services and that

709
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:42,799
will come up today. What services are
essential? Public safety first and

710
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:46,400
foremost is essential. And our partners
in public safety, Canaveral Fire and the

711
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:51,839
Bvard County Sheriff's Office have
worked with us and have done everything

712
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:55,359
they can to reduce their costs uh for
their services and we are thankful to

713
01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:00,160
them for that.
Then we look at what are other essential

714
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:05,119
services. Uh a city typically has a city
manager, a clerk's office, uh and a and

715
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:09,599
a city attorney. And we would consider
those essential services. We also have

716
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:13,920
to have a finance department to pay all
the bills to receive all the revenues

717
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,480
that we generate. That is an essential
service. If we if we have construction

718
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:22,240
and so forth, we have to have a
permitting process. We have to have a

719
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:26,160
planning process. We have to have an
potentially an engineering process or

720
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:29,760
service depending on whether we contract
or employ. But we always have to

721
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:35,520
contract because you can never employ
all the engineers that you need for the

722
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:40,480
projects that are done. And so what are
those essential services at at some

723
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:44,799
point? It's it's really no arguing that
when you're running a municipality and

724
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:50,480
then you get into what is not essential
service or what is an essential service

725
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:57,119
but how can it be still be performed
in some manner if you're going to reduce

726
01:04:53,280 --> 01:05:01,119
your employee um count to do that. And
so the next step we went through is

727
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:05,680
what's essential but how can we combine
or hybrid is the term that we've used.

728
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:11,920
How can we combine or hybrid those
functions so that we can continue those

729
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:16,960
services? But then it becomes a question
of quality. Okay, how many hats can one

730
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:22,559
person wear to perform an essential
service to the extent that that service

731
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:27,520
is adequately received and perceity or
perception on the part of the those

732
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:31,599
people who are receiving those services
and that's where the conversations can

733
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:37,200
go in different directions because a lot
of times it's subjective uh to one

734
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:41,200
person's personal opinion and and so
that's where we we tried to figure out

735
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:47,359
what are the best ways to combine
essential services while still reducing

736
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:51,520
the budget deficit. And those are very
critical conversations that we have had

737
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,599
with our directors. And then again, we
fall back on what are those

738
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:59,920
non-essential services and what was a
resounding

739
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:06,319
um vote for what is most non-essential
in our situation in our city is parks

740
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:09,920
and recreation. It is an important
function for a community. There are many

741
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:14,400
studies that have shown that having a
viable active parks and recreation

742
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:19,280
program run by the government provides
many services, many tangible and many

743
01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:23,280
intangible services. But then again, we
get to the point where it's it can also

744
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:27,680
be a matter of opinion and the people
who are responsible for making that

745
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:32,160
decision are seated up here at this dis,
but they're not going to do it without

746
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:37,440
the public's input. And so when we move
forward with our parks and recreation

747
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:43,039
conversation, I I ask that everyone be
mindful that we walk into this door

748
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:48,000
today at a 4.5 millillage rate, which
means that service will be drastically

749
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:52,640
reduced already coming in the door
today. And how we manage that moving

750
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:56,400
forward will be determined uh based on
what millillage we ultimately walk out

751
01:06:54,319 --> 01:06:59,920
of here with, whether it's today or a
future meeting. We have two meetings in

752
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:04,240
September.
And so having said that I just again

753
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,880
wanted to frame this conversation so
everyone understood have we got here

754
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:12,880
what has been taken into account or
consideration. Do we look at contracts?

755
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:17,359
Yes. Do we look at all the things that
the mayor has suggested or people who

756
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:21,599
have spoken at the dis have suggested?
Yes, we have looked at everything that

757
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,200
we can. And at this point in time it
gets down to you know while we don't

758
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:31,039
want to sit here and talk about a
person's livelihood. we are looking at

759
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:35,119
positions being lost and and that's the
reality of the millage rate that we are

760
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:41,119
we are addressing today the highest
millage rate today at 4.5 mills and so

761
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:45,839
we uh I would echo the mayor's uh
statement that we want to be

762
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:52,559
professional and and in the manner in
which we do our business today and with

763
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:58,720
that I will turn the microphone over to
our finance director uh Joey Blackard

764
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:03,440
Um, and mayor if you'll indulge me. It's
important, I think, that the that the

765
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:09,039
community understands uh who their staff
is and and how credentialed they are to

766
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:14,400
come to the microphone with their years
of experience. Joey Blackard is our um

767
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:18,239
newly appointed finance director. He
does have two and a half years of

768
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:22,640
service to our government. He has a
master's degree uh in business

769
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:26,159
administration and a bachelor's degree
uh with a double major in finance and

770
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:31,719
accounting. And we're very thrilled to
have Joey walking us through this today.

771
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:31,719
Joey.

772
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:43,960
So the purpose of this presentation is
to show the general fund scenarios at

773
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:43,960
the corresponding millillage rates.

774
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:54,480
So here's a summary um of our um current
staffing level compared to the um the

775
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:59,520
three benchmarks that we've chosen to
present. Um and again those these are

776
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:06,400
just benchmarks. There is a range that
exists between these three numbers. Um

777
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:13,199
why we chose these three benchmarks is
the um the 4.5 mill rate that is the

778
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:19,839
current um adopted proposed millage rate
and we have a um what I'll call the 3.5

779
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:26,880
number that is the um highest mill that
a 4:1 council vote would obtain and then

780
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:34,400
we have our rolled back millage rate at
the bottom which is 3.2 two and that

781
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:39,520
would require a 3 to2 vote. Um
so I will get more into the um the

782
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:44,120
scenarios of uh how the city's general
fund looks on the next slide.

783
01:09:45,498 --> 01:09:52,960
» [clears throat]
>> So currently the city's general fund has

784
01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:57,760
43 staffed positions
at the adopted proposed mill rate of

785
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:03,920
4.5.
Um the city would have to eliminate um

786
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:09,040
roughly 1/3 of the general fund
workforce. And then as you continue to

787
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:16,719
read to the right side of the screen, at
the the highest 4:1 vote, which is the

788
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:22,560
3.5 mill rate, um the city would have to
let go over half of the general fund

789
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:28,560
employees. And then at the the farthest
to the right at the rolled back rate, um

790
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:35,280
we have determined and projected the
city would have to let go uh 2/3 of the

791
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:40,159
general fund um employees. And again to
put this um in perspective, this is we

792
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:45,040
are talking about the general fund. The
city does have an additional 20

793
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:50,400
employees in our enterprise funds which
are made up by wastewater fund and

794
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:57,120
stormwater fund.
Um and in the throughout the rest of the

795
01:10:52,400 --> 01:11:04,040
presentation we will show um how at each
mill rate uh the city is affected at

796
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:04,040
each um step.

797
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:14,800
So at the current um
proposed mill rate adopted proposed mill

798
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:20,880
rate of 4.5 mills the city would go from
43 employees to 28 employees a reduction

799
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:29,760
of 15 positions
primarily from uh 10 being from the

800
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:35,760
parks and wreck department and um
five being from the Community and

801
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:40,719
Economic Development Department. So,
what this would mean for the parks and

802
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:46,159
recck department would be um the
buildings in that department, the C5,

803
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:52,320
which is the gym, um the Nancy Hansen
rec center or rec complex, the Cape

804
01:11:48,960 --> 01:12:00,080
Center, and the Splash Pad would be
changed from government running them as

805
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:03,920
in public to um private operation.
Um, additionally, at the bottom right of

806
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:09,440
the screen, the effects on the community
and economic development um, department

807
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:14,960
um would require eliminating two code
enforcement officer positions and one

808
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:22,480
code enforcement administrative position
and the transfer of two positions within

809
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:28,480
that department to the storm water fund.
So this is the um the corresponding

810
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:33,360
scenario of what we believe the general
fund would look like at a 4.5 millage

811
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:36,360
rate. Now we will go to the next
benchmark

812
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:46,239
um which is the uh the highest mill rate
that a 4:1 council vote would obtain.

813
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:55,199
And the difference between the um the
currently adopted 4.5 rate and this uh

814
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:58,960
3.5 rate is approximately $1.4 million
that the city would have to make up

815
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:04,400
somehow.
So we have done this. We've made up that

816
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:08,960
$1.4 million in difference um by
eliminating an additional 10 general

817
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:14,480
fund positions.
three coming out of the administrative

818
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:20,719
services. Um two coming out of the uh
infrastructure maintenance department

819
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:25,840
and then five out of the parks and wreck
department which would leave um

820
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:30,800
effectively um no parks and wreck
employees left. So that is how um we've

821
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:36,320
arrived to make up that difference of
1.4 million. Additionally, of the

822
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:41,840
remaining employees um in this mill rate
scenario um the the employees benefits

823
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:49,040
the city's retirement contribution on
behalf of the remaining employees would

824
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:58,159
be reduced from 12% to 3 12%. Um and
this to put it um in perspective

825
01:13:52,960 --> 01:14:02,960
um this would mean approximately 58% of
uh current general fund employees would

826
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:07,480
have to be let go and able to afford
this situation as we're proposing.

827
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:15,920
The next uh military scenario is now the
rolled back rate that is the third and

828
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:21,840
last of our three benchmarks that we are
um presenting. Um

829
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:27,920
this how the general fund would look at
this millate scenario would be there

830
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:32,719
would be 14 general fund staff remaining
um made up of the numbers on the screen

831
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:37,199
seven from administrative services six
and community economic development and

832
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:42,719
one infrastructure maintenance person
remaining [clears throat]

833
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:51,120
um this is uh and I'll speak a little
bit more um about the uh rolled back um

834
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:56,960
scenario on the next slide. Um so of the
remaining 14 general fund employees um

835
01:14:54,159 --> 01:15:00,800
at the rolled back rate
um

836
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:05,440
each employee would be required to take
one furlow day per pay period which

837
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:10,000
would be approximately a 10% reduction
in pay to that employee. The employees

838
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:14,000
benefits
uh retirement benefits would go down

839
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:20,000
from 12% to 0% and the employee would
have no uh raises throughout the year.

840
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:25,280
um which would be materially impacting
the remaining employees. Um and to put

841
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:32,000
in perspective the difference between
the um 3.5 mill rate and the 3.2 mill

842
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:36,400
rate is that's um a difference of
$487,000

843
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,400
is the difference between those mill
rates.

844
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:48,640
Um and this will be the last slide of
this presentation.

845
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:54,400
Um it is a summary of um
what the general fund would look like

846
01:15:52,159 --> 01:16:00,320
the scenario would be if uh the general
fund had the rolled back mill rate. Um

847
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:07,040
29 of 43 general fund positions would be
eliminated which is approximately 2/3 of

848
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:13,600
the current general fund employees.
Um the parks and wreck buildings C5

849
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:19,840
Nancy Hansen wreck complex Cape Center
and Splash Pad will be moved from public

850
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:24,000
management to private operation. Um
there'd be no parks and recck employees

851
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:29,040
that would remain. The infrastructure
maintenance department would be reduced

852
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:32,880
to one employee. Code enforcement
capacity would be signific significantly

853
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:36,800
reduced.
remaining employees would experience

854
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:40,400
furlows and substantial benefit
reductions.

855
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:45,280
Um the city's ability to maintain
current programs and service levels

856
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:54,040
would be significantly reduced
and um lastly disaster preparedness and

857
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:54,040
response efforts would be um hampered.

858
01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:58,920
And that is the end of this
presentation.

859
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:08,239
Thank you very much, city manager. I'll
yield to you.

860
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:12,320
» Thank you. Um, so thank you, Joey. And
if I could have Molly Thomas, our parks

861
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:17,520
and wreck director, uh, come to a
microphone. Uh, Molly Thomas has 12 and

862
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:22,000
a half years of government service. She
has served for seven years in this

863
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:26,239
capacity as our parks director. She has
a master's degree in anthropology, a

864
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:32,000
bachelor of arts in administration, and
she's a certified parks and wreck

865
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:36,400
executive. uh CPRE through the state of
Florida and or nationally certified I

866
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:40,159
mean and she is also a Florida records
manage has a Florida records management

867
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:44,040
certificate.
Molly you have the floor.

868
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:58,040
All right. Uh thank you for this
opportunity council.

869
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:58,040
I am very um

870
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:07,600
excited to be able to provide the boots
on the ground view of what um the

871
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:14,159
numbers that were just presented to you
mean. Um and I will do that as clear and

872
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:20,000
concisely as possible because obviously
these are a lot of complex uh

873
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:23,360
um moving pieces if you will. So
sometimes if you move something in one

874
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:27,040
place, it moves something in another. So
if you have questions at the end, I'll

875
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:32,560
be happy to answer that to the best of
my ability. But as you can see from uh

876
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:37,280
Joey's presentation that every time you
talked about one thing, you ended talk

877
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:44,800
up talking about two others. So this is
no different. Okay. All right.

878
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:51,040
So what I've assembled here is based on
the benchmarks as was provided um by

879
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:55,960
Joey. Uh Joey and I have spent a lot of
time together recently. Um

880
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:05,360
the impacts of a 4.5 mil. Um this is
which this is the one that requires a

881
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:11,040
unanimous vote. This one and everything
under it until you get to the next

882
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:18,960
number. This is the staff in the park
department reduced by 10 personnel.

883
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:25,040
The funds this funds three maintenance,
one community engagement communications

884
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:30,159
person and one director position.
All city events including Friday fast,

885
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:35,760
monster mash and space coast paddle
battle are unfunded in this current um

886
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:40,320
budget.
All facility operations for the three

887
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:45,440
brick and mortars that we have are
unfunded. The splashpad operation is

888
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:50,320
unfunded.
And the box cast streaming service that

889
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:53,640
is currently broadcasting this meeting
is unfunded.

890
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:08,719
So
this is a little bit larger visual.

891
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:13,280
The removal of 10 people um is only part
of the equation. Funding the actual

892
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:19,040
programs and activities and building
operations themselves is the rest of the

893
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:25,520
that equation. So funding the operations
and the events is great, but funding the

894
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:32,560
people would be essential to executing
those operations and events. Um the

895
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:36,640
splash pad in particular uh to comply.
Um, you mentioned, mayor, in your

896
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:40,480
opening statement that, you know,
talking about what's legal, what's

897
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,960
legally required and not legally
required. One of the reasons that the

898
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:50,640
operations of the splash pad was removed
is because that costs $62,000 minimum

899
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:56,320
for us to comply with state health
regulations to operate it to the public.

900
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,400
It's treated similar to a public pool.
So, there's a lot of rules and

901
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:05,920
regulations. So, um, until we found an
alternative, uh, entity, if you will, to

902
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:11,040
operate that or we wanted to add at
least the 62,000 to the budget to

903
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:15,040
accommodate that, the splash pad would
not be operational and open to the

904
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:23,679
public until we found a solution to
that. Um, the same goes for the

905
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:29,280
programs. Um, most of our programs are
actually held by um, independent

906
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:35,600
contractors. So those contracts would
need to be continued with whomever would

907
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:43,760
be taking on the building itself for
those contracts to continue.

908
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:48,880
So when we look at the different options
for

909
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:53,360
someone else taking over and and however
that looks, there's a lot of different

910
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:59,520
ways. [clears throat] Um all the
facilities as the city manager indicated

911
01:21:55,840 --> 01:22:03,280
would be um vacant until another entity
or partner is identified to resume the

912
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:09,440
operations.
Um I spoke at length yesterday with uh

913
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:16,239
Mr. City Attorney and Florida statutes
require the city to publicly solicit

914
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:24,880
proposals before selling or leasing any
city-owned property located within the

915
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:28,960
CRA. This is not a um simple process and
I can let the city attorney speak to

916
01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:33,199
that um at the end if you guys have any
questions because he can speak to it

917
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:39,120
much better than I can um because the
CRA rules are rather complicated. But it

918
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:43,840
does require a strategic assessment of
what our goals need to be with

919
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:48,320
outsourcing that and then how we are
going to go about doing that. And when

920
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:54,960
it comes to the three different
buildings, it's not a copy and paste. So

921
01:22:52,639 --> 01:23:00,239
what you do with the C5 in terms of
putting out an RFP is going to look

922
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:03,760
different from what you put out for the
Nancy Hansen or the Cape Center because

923
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:09,199
there's different amenities, there's
other things on the properties, so on so

924
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:12,960
forth. Um, and I can get into that in
detail and a little bit more if you want

925
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:17,040
at the end.
Um public private sponsorship

926
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:22,800
opportunities are also a valid option.
If you look at places like Picttona that

927
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:28,000
is um very much a nonprofit grassroots
type of entity. It's very successful um

928
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:34,738
but also that takes time to put
together. Um

929
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:38,320
the other impact that must be
[clears throat] realized when it comes

930
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:44,159
to outsourcing the facility operations
and leaving them vacant um effective

931
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:49,040
October 1 is that any revenues generated
by the facilities would be suspended

932
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:52,040
until alternative um arrangements are
finalized.

933
01:23:53,120 --> 01:24:00,239
Second up
outsourcing event operations. So, the

934
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:05,120
city has very minimal space and
infrastructure to accommodate public

935
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:10,000
events. To identify a third party host
vendor or organization, the city would

936
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:15,679
need to put out an RFP similar to what
it would need to do with the buildings.

937
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:20,159
Um, to identify the the types of events
that you want to hold, um, where you

938
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:26,480
want to hold them, and what the goal is
for actually hosting them. Um, if

939
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:30,320
revenue generation is a consideration,
the city may or may not, depending upon

940
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:35,199
the city attorney's guidance when it
comes to this, uh, have to take a close

941
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:40,800
look at its outdoor event entertainment
permit. As it stands right now, if you

942
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:46,719
were to come in and apply for an outdoor
event entertainment permit and your

943
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:53,920
event had over, say, 250 to 300 people,
the most the city, not not police and

944
01:24:49,280 --> 01:25:00,239
fired, but the city would earn from that
pushing around of paper would be $500.

945
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:05,440
So that's not
not a needle mover, if you will, because

946
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:09,040
police and fire get paid separately by
that person that is applying to do the

947
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:16,239
event.
Um outsourcing programming, that's kind

948
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:19,440
of a repeat of what I just indicated. Um
many of the city's programs are

949
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:24,480
currently provided by independent
contractors that pay the city 25% of the

950
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:29,360
fees that they charge participants.
types of programs offered or maintained

951
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:33,280
going forward would be at the sole
discretion of what I'm calling the

952
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:38,400
franchisee, whoever is coming in to
operate those facilities [snorts] and

953
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:42,320
facility the city's ability to collect
facility related program revenue

954
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,880
following that would completely depend
on the operational arrangements that we

955
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:49,880
come to with whomever is running the
buildings.

956
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:58,880
So to sum all of that up
with the current proposed 4.5

957
01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:03,120
expenditures related to basic level
facility maintenance would have to

958
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:09,440
continue until an alternative building
operations model can be finalized to

959
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:17,520
include t time for the requisite um code
reviews and um obligations that are uh

960
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:23,440
upon us due to the um nuances of the CRA
and having to init initiate the RFP

961
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:28,159
process. All current facility and event
related revenue sources would cease

962
01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:32,239
until an alternative operations model is
finalized.

963
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:36,080
Refunds will need to be issued to
facility renters program event

964
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:43,040
participants for scheduled activities
that are going to occur after October 1,

965
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:47,679
2026. Um, when I first put this agenda
packet out, I didn't have all my numbers

966
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:52,400
from my team yet. And I believe the
number you first saw was 6,000. It's

967
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:57,760
closer to 10. So we would need to
process approximately $10,000 worth of

968
01:26:54,960 --> 01:27:04,400
revenues um if we were to cease building
operations October one. Uh that would

969
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:09,880
include um participants to Friday Fest
as well. Um, so

970
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:17,280
expectations from that, um, most likely,
and this is just coming from my 12 years

971
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:22,560
of working in communications from the
city, um, it would be remiss not to

972
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:28,000
consider that, uh, the negative
community response to related closures

973
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:32,199
and facilities and scaledback services
should be among the expectations.

974
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:43,520
So the next milestone that Joey has
provided for us is the one that requires

975
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:47,920
the supermajority vote. This is the 3.5.
This effectively dissolves the parks and

976
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:55,040
recreation and community affairs
department. No positions are funded at

977
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:59,199
all. All communications duties would um
and this is you know pure conjecture.

978
01:27:57,395 --> 01:28:03,679
[snorts] Uh all communications duties
would shift to community and economic

979
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:08,560
development. Emergency operations
support duties would also shift to

980
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:14,719
community and economic development.
Facility use over of the facility use

981
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:18,960
oversight contracts permits to include
pavilion rentals would shift to

982
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:22,400
community and economic development and
all park and facility maintenance would

983
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,400
be shifted to infrastructure
maintenance.

984
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:39,360
So when we were looking at the
individuals that were coming in at the

985
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:46,560
4.5 mil that is that was five staff
members and those five staff members are

986
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:53,280
responsible would be responsible for all
of the things that are listed on this um

987
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:58,800
chart right here. So for the
communications roles that is website,

988
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:04,159
social media, the records compliance
associated with that and also other

989
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:10,159
records compliance needs, emergency
communications, public meeting noticing,

990
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:15,120
digital ADA compliance, the marquee, the
state of the city, uh your basic brand

991
01:29:12,639 --> 01:29:19,040
management, which for those that don't
know what that all means, it's your

992
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:24,159
business cards, it's your letter head,
it's all of that. Those are that's all

993
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:30,159
all that design work is done in-house
and uh any community engagement that you

994
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:35,600
can think of whether it's a report of
concern whether it's you know hosting an

995
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:42,719
event any of that that's all part of
that communication function. Um assuming

996
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:48,400
that we would be contracting out or
leasing facilities, the people to do

997
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:51,920
that contracting and permitting,
facility contracts, franchise

998
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:55,760
agreements, outdoor event permits, and
any remaining facility rentals, all of

999
01:29:54,239 --> 01:30:01,920
those roles would need to shift to
someone else. And then the three

1000
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:07,840
maintenance that would be um removed in
this 3.5 mil uh they would be

1001
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:13,199
responsible for irrigation, grounds
maintenance, the janitorial roles at the

1002
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:18,080
park pavilions, your basic plumbing and
electrical at all of the the non-brick

1003
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:22,920
and mortar facilities and uh just
general equipment safety like your

1004
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:22,920
playgrounds.

1005
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:34,239
So what does that look like to shift
those responsibilities to another

1006
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:40,159
department or outsourcing it? um those
assuming the new responsibilities would

1007
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:45,199
require extensive training not just um
ADA but a lot of legal stuff that's

1008
01:30:42,719 --> 01:30:51,040
associated with meeting notices so on so
forth um content creation

1009
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:58,159
uh county EOC communications procedures
and basic FEMA and um incident control

1010
01:30:53,760 --> 01:31:02,080
systems um PIO responsibilities
shifting contract and permit

1011
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:09,760
responsibilities whoever is taking on
that new role would need a a very solid

1012
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:14,080
briefing on, you know, all the city
codes that we have currently that govern

1013
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:19,520
the use of our public properties. Um,
our city park and recreation properties

1014
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:24,239
themselves, the amenities, known issues,
historic use, community nuances, grant

1015
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:29,600
restrictions. That's um one thing that
was brought up in public comment is uh

1016
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:35,679
you know selling off certain properties
while they may have significant cash

1017
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:40,080
value to unload them. Some things are
protected for a certain number of years

1018
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:45,520
once a grant comes into play when it's
uh for the building of say a kayak

1019
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:50,480
launch or a pavilion or a playground. Um
the city is limited in what it can do

1020
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:55,440
and Anthony and I spoke about that
yesterday as well. And that's one of

1021
01:31:53,600 --> 01:32:00,239
those things where sometimes it would
make sense to do it, sometimes it might

1022
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:07,600
not make sense to do it. So, um, that
would have to be examined before we made

1023
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:11,840
any, you know, actions to to start doing
something like that.

1024
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:16,639
And the shifting of maintenance
responsibilities, those people would

1025
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:20,400
need to learn the ins and outs of our
parks and our properties. Um, they would

1026
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:24,239
need the the maintenance history. They
would need to know um the operational

1027
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:29,840
needs of the different property
features. Um certainly playground and

1028
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:35,520
and property safety requirements. And um
one of the most valuable things um that

1029
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:39,920
most of my maintenance team can speak to
is knowing who your resident allies

1030
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:43,280
allies are. The people that walk around
the parks, the people that walk up and

1031
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:47,840
talk to them every day, the people that
point out, "Oh, I saw this." you know

1032
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:54,880
that type of institutional knowledge is
very helpful when it comes to um trying

1033
01:32:50,639 --> 01:33:00,400
to maintain properties like that.
So

1034
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:08,239
to summarize what the 3.8
or below will do is it 3.8 8 or 3.5? 3.5

1035
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:13,280
or below. Sorry, typo.
Um, all expectations from the previous

1036
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:18,320
summary. In addition to extensive
training needed for reassigned staff to

1037
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:22,480
provide just the most basic of services,
you'll have a diminished ability for the

1038
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:27,120
city to prepare for, respond to, and
recover from an emergency. Um, it will

1039
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:33,360
be an increased workload for staff and
other departments who have also been um

1040
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:37,360
similarly reduced. and um a diminished
ability for the city to safely maintain

1041
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:42,400
the playgrounds and other recreational
spaces.

1042
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:46,080
And that's all I got.
Any questions for me,

1043
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:53,199
» city man?
>> Thank Thank you very much,

1044
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:56,639
» council. Do do we want to uh go through
um and try to get through all of them

1045
01:33:55,120 --> 01:34:00,320
and then circle back for questions?
>> I think that would be

1046
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:06,639
» sound good. I think probably we'll have
some questions but okay I think we'll

1047
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:08,239
keep moving through. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you Molly.

1048
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:14,760
» You're welcome.
>> If I can invite HR Director Natalie

1049
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:14,760
Watkins to come forward.

1050
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:21,920
Natalie has 25 years of government
service, 14 years serving as a human

1051
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:26,560
resources director. She holds a master's
in public administration,

1052
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:30,719
uh, HR certification, uh, from the
Executive Leadership Institute, Bvard

1053
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:35,760
County, and she's also certified from
the Society of HR risk management, um,

1054
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:39,840
professionals. Thank you, Natalie.
>> Okay.

1055
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:42,000
Okay. Can you hear me? Okay.
>> Yes.

1056
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:48,080
» All right. So, I wanted to start out
with this slide to give you all an idea

1057
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:51,679
of what we were presented with when it
came to our insurance renewal. We were

1058
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:57,440
presented with a really significant
financial problem. The city routinely

1059
01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:04,320
budgeted budgets about a 6% increase
annually on the healthcare. Our current

1060
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:10,080
carrier came in with a 45% increase
which a lot of our surrounding

1061
01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:14,000
municipalities are also seeing. Um 6% is
less than the national average of 8 to

1062
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:18,880
nine that people are seeing. We knew we
couldn't absorb that. So we formed an a

1063
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:24,159
benefit committee with nine employees
from different departments with

1064
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:28,639
different health needs and we looked at
hundreds of plans from different

1065
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:33,840
carriers. We reduced our life insurance
benefit to the staff. We reduced our

1066
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:40,000
long-term disability insurance and we
changed carriers over to Florida Blue.

1067
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:46,080
So, we worked as a team to take that pot
of money that was budgeted across all

1068
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:51,199
line items to get it back to the 6%.
So, and that's really important because

1069
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:55,679
when we're trying to recruit, the wages
aren't always competitive, but it's the

1070
01:35:52,800 --> 01:36:02,719
total compensation package that we use
as our recruiting and retention tools.

1071
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:06,960
So um when we're looking at this I think
we need to apply the same staffing

1072
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:11,600
decisions that we're discussing now to
understand the full financial impact

1073
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:15,760
before we make the cut.
So

1074
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:19,920
this is the financial premise of the
presentation. Basically before we

1075
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:24,320
eliminate we need to ask four questions
and mayor you did allude to this in your

1076
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:28,880
opening statement.
The first one is what work disappears?

1077
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:34,080
If the answer is none, who is going to
absorb it? Will it be existing staff?

1078
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:39,840
Will that lead to overtime contractors
which aren't cheap? Or does the work

1079
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:44,960
simply take longer? So then that goes to
what happens to service,

1080
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:50,159
the level being provided to our to our
residents. And then overall, what's the

1081
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:54,639
actual net savings when we do this?
That's the number we need to focus on. A

1082
01:36:52,639 --> 01:37:00,320
salary disappearing from the wage
schedule is easy to calculate. However,

1083
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:04,960
the downstream costs are harder to see,
but harder does not mean they don't

1084
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:09,679
exist. For instance,
unemployment.

1085
01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:16,480
With the 10 staff reduction, we're
looking at 33,000 for unemployment.

1086
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:21,440
With the other scenarios, it could be
85,000.

1087
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:28,600
So, and that doesn't include PTO payouts
which could range up to 200,000. So,

1088
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:28,600
those are also budget impacts.

1089
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:36,080
Okay.
So, with regards to the current labor

1090
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:40,239
market, I did go out and we looked at
other surrounding cities, the big ones

1091
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:47,040
around us that we're competing for
talent with.

1092
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:50,880
So 51% of our our positions are ranked
lowest

1093
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:58,800
on the minimum wage scale against all
the others and that was 61 of 71

1094
01:37:53,679 --> 01:38:03,840
position titles. 34% of them max out
lower than all the others.

1095
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:08,480
We did have an internal employee survey
back in July and eight out of 10

1096
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:14,800
employees identified their compensation
and benefits as their top personal

1097
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:19,040
concerns. So those numbers also need to
be considered. We're not starting this

1098
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:23,360
conversation from a position of being
highly competitive.

1099
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:27,119
Does that mean everyone's going to
leave? No, that's not what I'm saying.

1100
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:32,000
But it needs to un we need to understand
the environment we're in when we're

1101
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:36,800
looking at increased workloads, reduced
staffed, and an erosion of benefits

1102
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:42,400
which include furls, colas, merit
increases, and retirement plan cuts.

1103
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:46,639
So to show you what that actually looks
like,

1104
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:52,080
these are four positions that are
considered essential. And I do have

1105
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:58,239
others if you guys are interested in
seeing those comparisons. But just for

1106
01:38:54,719 --> 01:39:05,119
two of our um our director positions,
we're 15 to $30,000 below our our

1107
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:12,239
competitors. The city clerk is 18 to
46,000 below. Plant operators, which

1108
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:18,239
don't come easy, and the average age is
starting to retire out of those

1109
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:24,119
positions. We are four to 20,000 below
our competitors depending on the level

1110
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,119
of license ABC.

1111
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:29,199
So,
and for with that, I'm not saying we

1112
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:32,639
have to be the highest paid city. I'm
not saying that at all. I'm just saying

1113
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:37,080
we need to recognize what this means
when we're recruiting and retaining

1114
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,080
people.

1115
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:48,080
Okay. So the turnover cascade as you can
see is something that we all need to be

1116
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:52,400
concerned about. When we eliminate a
position but the work gets the work

1117
01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:58,400
remains and it gets redistributed to
staff. We see people become stretched,

1118
01:39:55,360 --> 01:40:03,119
disengaged. Outside workers could become
injured and then we see someone else

1119
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:07,600
leave. Now we have another vacancy that
we didn't even plan for.

1120
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:12,000
Now we're recruiting, interviewing,
training with a budget we don't have in

1121
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:17,119
this new budget while the remaining
staff carry even more workload. And

1122
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,360
that's how one plan reduction increased
the risk of additional unplanned

1123
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:26,800
turnover. And I think we've already seen
this. It's not a hypothetical concern

1124
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:30,880
for us. We saw it downstairs in in the
community economic development

1125
01:40:28,239 --> 01:40:36,119
department. When one person left, four
others left behind them voluntarily. So

1126
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:44,080
um and again these are benchmarks. I'm
not saying these are what it's going to

1127
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:49,679
cost to replace each employee but
statistically to replace a front level

1128
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:53,760
line employee it cost about 45 40% of
salary

1129
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:59,920
and the higher up a technical position
80,000 or 80% sorry. And then for a

1130
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:04,880
director level cuz right now we're not
getting applicants for our city clerk

1131
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:10,239
position. So we are looking at having to
use a recruiting firm which is going to

1132
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:15,520
cost money and it's also going to you
know include relocation costs

1133
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:18,800
and again these are benchmarks. I'm not
saying that this is the check that we're

1134
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:24,159
going to have to write at the exact
amount but in it does involve a lot of

1135
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:29,119
staff time to make these replacements
work. Not to mention the institutional

1136
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:32,960
knowledge that walks out the door that
is not hard to re that is very hard to

1137
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:36,800
replace.
The more specialized the employee, the

1138
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:40,795
harder the knowledge is to replace in
these situations.

1139
01:41:38,775 --> 01:41:40,795
[snorts]

1140
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,800
So

1141
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:50,000
the number
to the left is easy to calculate. We

1142
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:54,800
eliminate. We see the salary and
benefits come off the budget line. But

1143
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:58,320
that's not the gross savings. It's it's
not it isn't necessarily the nec or it

1144
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:02,560
is the gross savings, not the net
savings. If the work remains and all of

1145
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:07,040
those other things I've already covered
continue,

1146
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:12,400
um we have to assume [clears throat]
that we're going to have all of these

1147
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:18,159
recruiting cost and extra overtime to
fill these gaps. There's a significant

1148
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:21,840
difference also that we need to consider
when we're going from a large group

1149
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:27,199
health plan to a small group health plan
insurance under 50 employees. Those are

1150
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:32,400
things that there's no guarantee that a
smaller group means lower health care

1151
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:36,159
prices. Historically, the large groups
can be lower rates because they are

1152
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:40,159
negotiable and the risk is spread over a
larger population.

1153
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:44,480
In the smaller markets, rates are not
negotiable. Plan designs are

1154
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:48,880
standardized and rates are based on age
and location rather than the health

1155
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:53,040
experience of the group.
There's other implications that we would

1156
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:59,760
have to consider also and that's at the
bottom. But it would involve affordable

1157
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:03,840
care act FMLA reporting implications and
depending on how many full-time

1158
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:09,119
employees we have left, we would have to
dig into that to see how we are affected

1159
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:15,960
there. So reducing headcount can have a
financial and admin consequence beyond

1160
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,960
the salaries just being removed.

1161
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:23,920
This is a kind of a redundant one of
what Molly's already shown, but it's

1162
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:28,159
worth repeating to understand that yes,
we're not closing the facilities. We're

1163
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:31,840
going to lease them out. But that
doesn't guarantee that the person

1164
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:36,000
leasing them is going to offer the
services that we are losing that our

1165
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:41,520
residents have come to re that they
current release currently receive.

1166
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:46,000
So when we're discontinuing services, we
can't assume that those services will

1167
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:49,840
continue.
That's not me saying they can't be

1168
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:53,840
eliminated. You guys have the authority
to make those decisions. But we need to

1169
01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:58,000
be clear about what the decision
actually means. If we're choosing to

1170
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:02,159
save the cost of operating the
facilities and staffing the positions,

1171
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:07,960
then we're choosing to stop providing
the services. And those two decisions

1172
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,960
can't be separated.

1173
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:17,440
So, I understand that council has a very
difficult decision to make and I

1174
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:21,520
recognize the need to reduce cost.
My purpose today is to tell you that not

1175
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:25,360
you can't not to tell you that nothing
can be cut. It's to make sure we

1176
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:29,760
understand the full decision we're
making here. On one side are the

1177
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:35,600
savings, payroll, facility, operating
cost, and other direct costs. On the

1178
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:41,360
other side, we're giving up positions,
facilities, programs, resident services,

1179
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:48,239
organizational capacity. And in this
case, those losses are not theoretical.

1180
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:53,520
If we determine that the savings justify
those losses, then we will move forward

1181
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:57,520
with those decisions.
But we need to have the entire picture

1182
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:01,679
in front of us. This the savings and the
services lost are part of the same

1183
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:07,280
decision.
That's mine. It was brief. So

1184
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:11,707
» thank you, Natalie.
>> Yep.

1185
01:45:09,687 --> 01:45:11,707
[applause]

1186
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:19,280
So, council, um, I did want to make sure
you knew that we have another director

1187
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:24,719
present from our general fund, and
that's Zach Iicults. Uh, uh, Zach is our

1188
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:29,280
community economic development director
and our emergency operations coordinator

1189
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:34,480
for the public's knowledge. Uh, he has
10 years of government service. Uh, he

1190
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:38,239
served in his current capacity for as
our director just about two months.

1191
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:41,679
Prior to that, he was within that
department his whole time here. Uh he

1192
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:46,719
has a master of science in
interdisciplinary sciences uh and also

1193
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:53,199
bachelor of science and sustainability
sciences as we know Zach was in our um

1194
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:57,280
resiliency director. Um and he's here.
He does have a presentation, but he does

1195
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:01,280
have backup information submitted for
the council's review and the and of

1196
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:04,400
course the public's review. Um and I
just want to make one final statement,

1197
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:08,880
mayor, before I turn the microphone over
to you. Um, our staff has worked very

1198
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:14,159
hard, as I said, on putting this
information together and this

1199
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:18,320
presentation is is clearly for the
community's consumption. Um, the

1200
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:23,440
decisions that have to be made here by
our council are very serious. Um, and

1201
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:27,040
and so we wanted the community to be
informed.

1202
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:32,000
The purpose of this presentation was not
to shock and awe anybody. uh it's just

1203
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:36,239
the reality of dealing with the numbers
and the services the the corresponding

1204
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:41,679
loss of those services. [clears throat]
Um so that was not our goal. Our goal

1205
01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:46,719
was just to present the facts and the
information so the community is aware

1206
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:51,360
and that they community uh can provide
this council with the information that

1207
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:56,320
is most important to them now that they
are fully aware of of what these [music]

1208
01:46:54,000 --> 01:47:01,360
potential whatever potential military
you choose um could bring about for

1209
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:06,719
their community. So thank you mayor.
>> Thank you. So the um our director Zach

1210
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:10,880
there's no presentation at that this
time for that one. That that's correct.

1211
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:13,840
But he is here uh and he's part of the
general fund

1212
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:17,520
» and we do have the print out and packet
council. How about we take a a recess

1213
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:20,639
unless there's just some initial
comments here. We can come back and I

1214
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:25,760
think go back through. Thank you all
very much and uh city manager and team.

1215
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:28,560
» That's that's fine.
>> Sounds good.

1216
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,960
» I I just have a question for Natalie. We
can pick it up later.

1217
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:34,080
» That's fine.
>> Okay.

1218
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:38,320
» Make sure we come.
>> Yeah. I have several questions. So

1219
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:44,159
picking it up later is what I'd like to
do so we can revisit.

1220
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:47,600
» Okay. So yeah, it's 2:52.
10 minutes or so or once we're all back,

1221
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:50,600
we can reconvene. Let's go ahead and
recess.

1222
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:20,920
Council, are we ready?
>> Ready to go. City manager, are you

1223
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,920
ready?

1224
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:28,880
» Take your time. Just let me know.
>> We're going to get started in about

1225
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:33,440
maybe 30 seconds to a minute. Just
giving you a heads up. Thank you all for

1226
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:38,480
your patience and taking that recess.
Um, and if you do want to speak, thank

1227
02:11:36,159 --> 02:11:42,400
you, sir. We are going to open public
comment back up at some point, uh,

1228
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:47,920
depending on what the council wants to
do. And, uh,

1229
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:53,360
yeah, please fill out a card if you
choose to speak. And as always, if you

1230
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:58,000
did speak at the first one and, uh,
recognizing that you might have heard

1231
02:11:56,079 --> 02:12:01,599
something that was presented or stated
and you want to speak again, we

1232
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:05,040
absolutely welcome that as well. So,
thank you.

1233
02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:09,599
Mayor, you refer to the budget
comparison report.

1234
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:14,239
» I think so. Yes,
it was the same email

1235
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:19,320
that I responded to.
>> It is the budget comparison.

1236
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:19,320
» Yes, it is.

1237
02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:34,880
» Thank you. [snorts] Ready to go?
>> Yes.

1238
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:39,920
Okay,
righty. It is 3:17 p.m. We are returning

1239
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:44,560
back from our recess. I call the meeting
back to order. We at our workshop

1240
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:52,400
meeting here continuing uh along the
agenda and uh we just uh finished the

1241
02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:57,360
presentation from our city manager and
and directors and staff. Uh I think this

1242
02:12:55,679 --> 02:13:01,760
council, we got some questions, but
before doing so, I want to go back to

1243
02:12:59,599 --> 02:13:07,280
our city manager. Uh, thank you, mayor.
I just did have uh two more follow-up

1244
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:13,199
comments in addition to uh Zach Iicult,
our director for community development.

1245
02:13:09,119 --> 02:13:17,040
Uh we have Dave Coulson from our um
infrastructure maintenance. And if you

1246
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:20,880
have any questions about what IM would
look like in relation to these mill

1247
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:25,440
rates, he'll be on hand for that. And
then finally, back to the community when

1248
02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:31,360
I talked about the presentation and um
no intent to shock and awe the public

1249
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:36,079
obviously. Um the reason why we
were specific in what cuts would look

1250
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:40,639
like is because during the last budget
workshop we were operating from the

1251
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:44,880
premise that we were coming down at a
4.5 millillage rate and what those cuts

1252
02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:49,520
would look like and then there was
conversation on the dis about

1253
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:55,520
potentially going lower than 4.5 and so
that meeting was running long. We had

1254
02:13:51,199 --> 02:14:00,000
other uh items to discuss. So it that
workshop was kind of paused if you will

1255
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:08,000
the content or the dialogue at that time
was paused uh so that staff could return

1256
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:13,440
with what cuts would look like from the
uh roll back rate up through the 4.5

1257
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:17,760
mills. So that's that's why we came back
today with all of that information. Um

1258
02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:24,159
we were having that conversation last
budget workshop just at a 3.5 millillage

1259
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:28,239
rate. I'm sorry. Um, a 4.5. Thank you,
milligate. And, uh, but now we have all

1260
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:34,320
of them. So, I just wanted to clarify
that point.

1261
02:14:29,840 --> 02:14:37,679
» Thank you, sir. Council, uh, as far as
the original placement of public

1262
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:40,560
participation was right after
discussion. Do we want to ask our

1263
02:14:39,040 --> 02:14:45,040
questions? I know council member Willis
had questions. I think we we all

1264
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:49,760
probably do. How do we want to do it?
>> Well, if I may,

1265
02:14:47,599 --> 02:14:53,920
» we have people here. They've heard what
we just heard. Maybe maybe they have

1266
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:57,440
some questions. We'll open it up for
them for for now and then we can

1267
02:14:56,159 --> 02:15:02,400
respond.
>> I think that that makes sense. Let's do

1268
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:06,880
maybe a hybrid. Is there any technical
or clarifying questions before going to

1269
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:10,239
the public that maybe be helpful for the
public to hear?

1270
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:12,560
» I have some.
>> Okay. Council member Willis, you do as

1271
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:15,119
well.
>> I do.

1272
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:19,280
» Okay. All of us. Okay. Let's go. Mayor
Pro Tim.

1273
02:15:17,199 --> 02:15:24,320
» Okay. I had a couple of questions and I
as we worked through the materials that

1274
02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:29,239
we had, let me get to them so I know
exactly who to ask. Um,

1275
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:38,400
okay. on
the and I let's see this one I believe

1276
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:42,400
is you Joey as we were talk and as we
were talking and there these this

1277
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:49,560
doesn't have a a page number but it's
the millillage decision determines the

1278
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:49,560
city's operating capacity slide

1279
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:58,719
and on that slide it says in right there
perfect infrastructure maintenance would

1280
02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:05,119
be reduced to one employee now I know
that we have infrastructure maintenance

1281
02:16:00,639 --> 02:16:10,560
personnel and PRCA also in public works.
Is this um which which position are we

1282
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:14,639
talking about there for that one
employee?

1283
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:19,520
» That one employee would be left in the
infrastructure maintenance department.

1284
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:25,280
So that is not the um parks and wreck.
>> Okay. So it's not parks and wreck. And

1285
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:32,800
is it um the infrastructure maintenance
department that falls under public works

1286
02:16:28,719 --> 02:16:36,719
or is this for these buildings for city
hall, Cape Center and and the community

1287
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:40,880
center?
>> That is correct. The the infra

1288
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:45,920
infrastructure maintenance um is for the
general fund.

1289
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:51,040
» Okay. So, city hall, Cape Center, and
community center.

1290
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:55,599
» Can I clarify real quick on that? So
when we talk about the the maintenance

1291
02:16:53,599 --> 02:17:02,000
folks in my team, we don't lump them
into infrastructure maintenance and my

1292
02:16:58,639 --> 02:17:07,840
three current maintenance folks and the
ones that would be included in the 4.5

1293
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:16,800
but eliminated by the further roll back
on that. Um they do the 27 acres of

1294
02:17:13,679 --> 02:17:24,080
» Okay. Can we and I'm I'm in a different
spot so I want to get that Molly.

1295
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:29,120
» So yeah, the commun the city hall. Yes.
>> The infrastructure maintenance from

1296
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:33,760
public works has very minimal to do with
Cape Center or any of the recreation

1297
02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:39,359
buildings. They help us considerably
when we need help, but within that

1298
02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:43,439
» parameter that's not
>> So what you're saying is this

1299
02:17:41,120 --> 02:17:48,639
infrastructure maintenance person only
works at city hall.

1300
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:51,359
» Um mostly well in around town like
clearing storm drains and stuff like

1301
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:54,719
that.
>> Okay. I thought that would have been

1302
02:17:52,719 --> 02:17:57,760
done under public works for clearing
storm drains instead of the general

1303
02:17:56,559 --> 02:18:03,040
fund.
>> I will let June and them speak to that.

1304
02:18:01,439 --> 02:18:06,639
I just wanted to clarify that it had
nothing to do with the Cape Center Nancy

1305
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:13,040
Hansen or the other ones.
>> Okay. So, this person right here that is

1306
02:18:09,439 --> 02:18:17,040
one employee only maintains city hall
and some storm water projects within the

1307
02:18:15,519 --> 02:18:20,880
city is what I'm hearing.
>> If we could have Dave Coulter come to

1308
02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:25,080
the microphone, he can explain all of
the IM.

1309
02:18:21,599 --> 02:18:25,080
» Thank you, Dave.

1310
02:18:25,439 --> 02:18:32,719
So, um, infrastructure maintenance, the
way that they're seeing it on this is

1311
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:37,920
all infrastructure maintenance in the
city. It's this building. It's public

1312
02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:42,000
works infrastructure maintenance. It's
all roads. It would be all parks. It

1313
02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:48,040
would be all grass cutting. It would be
all everything that gets done on the

1314
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:48,040
beaches.

1315
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:55,760
Not not not and then if if
the parks are gone it would also mean

1316
02:18:53,760 --> 02:19:00,240
all the parks as well too in person for
all that.

1317
02:18:56,479 --> 02:19:04,719
» Okay. So help me understand Dave so that
I I get this because I think that this

1318
02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:11,679
context is important when we're looking
at at various things like this. So do we

1319
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:16,240
have any infrastructure maintenance
people in public works?

1320
02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:21,519
» Yes they are the public works is
infrastructure maintenance. Okay. So, is

1321
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:26,160
this person in public works that we're
talking about?

1322
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:33,760
» Okay. And what and so this person that's
reduced to one person.

1323
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:36,960
» Um it there they do all grass cutting
all of the buildings.

1324
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:39,760
» It would be everything in the city.
Yeah.

1325
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:43,439
» Everything in the city. Okay. What do
the other public or infrastructure

1326
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:46,080
maintenance people do?
>> They'd be gone.

1327
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:51,359
» Oh, they'd be gone.
>> There'd be one person. Okay. So all

1328
02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:57,280
infrastructure maintenance is under
public works. You handle everything and

1329
02:19:54,800 --> 02:20:00,960
in this statement we'd be reduced to one
person. Correct. So there we're not

1330
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:03,760
looking at another group of
infrastructure maintenance

1331
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:09,280
» people. There's just the one.
>> Okay. See that's important. So I needed

1332
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:15,120
to know that. So this person is the
public works infrastructure

1333
02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:19,520
maintenance. Okay. Thank you Dave.
That's what I wanted to know on that

1334
02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:24,479
because that makes a difference.
Um, Mr. Mayor, I'm going to keep keep

1335
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:27,920
rolling through if you don't mind. Sure.
>> So, I can just get these out of the way

1336
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:35,520
and then that way I'll be out of the way
on my questions.

1337
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:38,880
Okay. And then this one is for Natalie.
>> Title or is it the first slide? I'm

1338
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:43,760
looking.
>> It's the slide about 45%.

1339
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:47,439
» Okay.
um

1340
02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:56,720
renewal increase that you all had and
then the 6% city budgeted increase.

1341
02:20:51,840 --> 02:21:02,560
» Okay. So um you said that there were
um there were decre or you had worked on

1342
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:05,359
decreasing long-term disability.
>> Correct. We

1343
02:21:03,359 --> 02:21:10,720
» Okay. Can you tell me what the premium
is for long-term disability?

1344
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:17,280
» It annually
>> Yes. It went down from about 24,000

1345
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:24,000
annually and we reduced the benefit for
to 50% from 60% and it's dropping it to

1346
02:21:21,439 --> 02:21:27,600
Well, it'll depend obviously on where we
land on our numbers, but with the

1347
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:31,760
current
>> Well, how much did you cut it when

1348
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:37,439
you're saying you went and um
>> we cut it by about 5,000 overall, but

1349
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:39,280
that was with the current staffing
model,

1350
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:43,359
» right?
I'm just needing to know what that um

1351
02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:49,760
what that looked like. So you cut it by
5,000.

1352
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:54,880
» Okay. U around 19,000.
>> Believe it was 18.

1353
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:58,880
» 18. Okay. So that'd be six. Okay.
>> All right. Thank you. Let me see if I

1354
02:21:56,800 --> 02:22:03,840
have another one for you before you
Okay. Um

1355
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:10,399
Okay. That one wasn't a question. Let me
look here. Okay. on the comparison of

1356
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:16,000
salaries that are on the pay comparison
key positions and versus market sheet

1357
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:17,280
» this one.
>> Yes.

1358
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:22,479
» Okay.
>> Are these just salaries or are these

1359
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:25,680
salaries plus all the benefits?
>> No, those are just the starting wages.

1360
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:29,920
Those don't include the benefits. And I
believe in my other packet I had

1361
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:36,880
provided you what the surrounding
municipalities also offer for benefits

1362
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:42,600
for their staff as a comparison. So
these are just the base starting wages.

1363
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:42,600
Okay.

1364
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:53,359
Right. So, I wanted to clarify that
because that's important to know because

1365
02:22:50,319 --> 02:22:58,160
when you look at adding in benefits,
>> it increases it substantially typically

1366
02:22:56,240 --> 02:23:01,920
because insurance isn't cheap.
>> Correct. And like the other

1367
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:06,880
municipalities are all doing the 100%
paid for the employee on the health

1368
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:10,800
insurance and they're very competitive
across the board.

1369
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:14,720
» Yeah. And and it's hard for me looking
at other cities and saying let's

1370
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:19,120
compare. It's hard
>> because we've got West Melbourne who has

1371
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:24,319
homes with acreage.
>> We've got Cocoa Beach that now has a

1372
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:28,000
large majority homes that are over a
million dollars and we hadn't gotten

1373
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:32,080
there yet. So, it makes it hard for
comparison comparing for you. I'm sure

1374
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:34,720
» there's no apples to apples. We did go
out and look like the mayor had

1375
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:39,280
requested
>> and Indian [clears throat] Harbor might

1376
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:42,800
be comparable by numbers, but their
waters provided by the city of

1377
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:47,600
Melbourne, part of their fire
department's volunteer staffing, they're

1378
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:52,000
not planked by the port and the hotels
in Cocoa Beach. So,

1379
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:57,920
» understood. Yeah. So, and then on the
turnover cascade

1380
02:23:55,040 --> 02:24:04,080
» on that slide,
>> um you refer you were referring to a a

1381
02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:09,520
large group of people leaving in the um
community and economic development group

1382
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:12,640
and was that when the we had the
situation with the prior city manager

1383
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:16,319
exiting?
>> Correct. We had um I believe what was

1384
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:21,760
it? 20
>> five to well from everyone we lost four

1385
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:25,680
voluntarily but the total number
>> since then was about 20 employee

1386
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:29,120
turnover.
>> Okay. Yeah.

1387
02:24:26,479 --> 02:24:34,319
» Okay. But I wanted to clarify that
because that I think that cascade had

1388
02:24:31,439 --> 02:24:35,760
something to do with circumstances at
that time. So

1389
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:38,880
» it did.
>> Okay.

1390
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:44,640
» All right then. Let me I'm sorry. I'm
just I'm just going through really

1391
02:24:40,319 --> 02:24:50,080
hitting you Natalie. Let's see. Okay.
All right. Um, and then this one's for

1392
02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:57,040
Molly. I've just been going through as
y'all did everything and making my

1393
02:24:52,560 --> 02:25:02,960
notes. So, Molly, as we look at the
impact of a budget of 4.5 mills

1394
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:07,359
summary.
>> Okay.

1395
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:13,200
» Okay. Um, and it says box cast streaming
of public meetings would be unfunded.

1396
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:18,160
And I guess I'm I know you've been here
a long time, so I'm asking this for

1397
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:26,319
historical knowledge. I'm not sure why
bo box cast streaming of public meetings

1398
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:32,319
would be under the PRCA or culture lever
or services cuz that's government

1399
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:37,760
business. So I would think of that being
somewhere else in the budget. So would

1400
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:41,680
you explain that for me? If you
look at the history of how I got to

1401
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:47,200
where I am,
>> um I was a standalone department at one

1402
02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:53,359
point that was all of the city's
communications and also the digital ADA

1403
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:58,960
responsibilities.
The reason that I don't get directly

1404
02:25:55,840 --> 02:26:04,800
involved in say agenda packet
development software anything like that

1405
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:11,920
is that the reason boxcast is utilized
is because it's the most hands down the

1406
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:17,920
most affordable and userfriendly way to
facilitate

1407
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:23,920
um captioned live meetings. So, if we
don't if we if the city council wishes

1408
02:26:20,720 --> 02:26:28,319
to continue broadcasting live, the only
affordable means to do that is to use

1409
02:26:27,120 --> 02:26:32,160
box cast.
>> Well, and I'm not questioning the

1410
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:37,359
software because we need to have a way
to Absolutely. And I'm sure y'all have

1411
02:26:34,880 --> 02:26:41,359
investigated that. My question was why
it was in PRCA because to me

1412
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:43,600
» because the C and the A.
>> Yeah.

1413
02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:49,840
» I'm the community affairs so I do all
the city's communications. All of them.

1414
02:26:45,760 --> 02:26:55,359
Okay. So, culture and leisure services
>> is no more.

1415
02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:57,040
» Okay. And so, it's PRCA and the CA is
community affairs.

1416
02:26:56,479 --> 02:27:02,359
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay.

1417
02:26:58,080 --> 02:27:02,359
» Thank you. I I needed that.

1418
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:10,840
Okay. I'm sorry, council. I'll be
through in just a minute.

1419
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:17,479
Okay. And then we had um

1420
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:33,280
okay on the leasing out
of the

1421
02:27:30,479 --> 02:27:37,319
potential leasing the community the
community center for example.

1422
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:45,280
um understand we'd have to go out with
the RFP process and it's pretty much

1423
02:27:42,399 --> 02:27:49,200
standard for any type of government
situation where you're soliciting a

1424
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:54,479
vendor
>> and you may have to jump in on this city

1425
02:27:51,520 --> 02:28:00,640
attorney as we go. So that that to me is
not an unusual process. Um we'd have to

1426
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:04,920
have three bids is typically what state
statute has you do. Correct.

1427
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:11,520
with respect to the properties that are
located within this U community

1428
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:16,160
redevelopment area which you know Gen 5,
you know, city hall,

1429
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:20,800
» Cape Center, um Nancy Hansen, I mean
they're all they're all in the CRA area.

1430
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:26,000
So what comes with that territory is
under the community redevelopment act

1431
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:32,399
there is a um um a disposition of
property of requirement because the

1432
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:37,760
property um is owned by the city um or
the CRA. If the city CRA owned property,

1433
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:42,640
you have to go through this RFP process.
The RFP process is not like any other

1434
02:28:40,720 --> 02:28:47,359
RFP process because it's in the
redevelopment area. So the some

1435
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:51,600
strategic forethought will be need
needed to be given to the RFP because

1436
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:55,439
the you you'll be requesting proposals
that have to be consistent with the

1437
02:28:53,200 --> 02:29:00,080
community redevelopment plan that has
been adopted by the uh community

1438
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:06,160
redevelopment agency and has to be a a
redevelopment type like activity that

1439
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:11,680
would be supported um under the plan. So
there there's a few other boxes to tick.

1440
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:16,160
» Um but it's not unlike what you said the
general generally cities have to go

1441
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:21,280
through that kind of process.
>> But you know leasing property in the CRA

1442
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:24,880
or selling property located within the
CRA has to go through a special

1443
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:33,760
disposition process.
>> Okay. And then another question on that

1444
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:38,399
is so we we say this as leasing property
and really there I see a couple of ways

1445
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:43,280
that could be done but you correct me
because I could be wrong since it's CRA

1446
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:47,840
because really you could be leasing the
property or where we you know are just

1447
02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:53,280
saying here we're going to let you use
our property or we could be having kind

1448
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:58,399
of a hybrid situation where we're saying
you're leasing our property And a

1449
02:29:55,520 --> 02:30:04,720
condition of this is that you provide us
with maintaining the spla splash pad

1450
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:09,200
hours, maintaining the pickle ball court
services,

1451
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:13,680
um taking care of gym services, and we
could go in and specify what things we

1452
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:18,160
want. When I think of just leasing the
property is just saying here you do it

1453
02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:22,720
and they choose. But could we have that
hybrid situation where we define

1454
02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:29,920
services within that lease? There will
absolutely be that hybrids that you

1455
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:32,800
speak of because in order to do an RFP
that I'm talking about disposition of

1456
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:40,800
real property in a community
redevelopment area, you the city and the

1457
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:47,600
CRA board will have to prepare a very
detailed request for proposals for a

1458
02:30:43,439 --> 02:30:52,880
specific type of project that um would
be consistent with the redevelopment

1459
02:30:49,359 --> 02:31:00,640
plan and activities. and proposals would
be submitted, evaluated, and undoubtedly

1460
02:30:56,479 --> 02:31:04,560
there will be um a contractual agreement
um could be like an operating agreement

1461
02:31:02,479 --> 02:31:06,720
depending on what you know we're we're
dealing with on the on the proposal.

1462
02:31:05,959 --> 02:31:12,240
[clears throat]
>> Okay. And so would this the same be

1463
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:16,720
applicable for the Nancy Hansen since
it's in the CRA development? Even though

1464
02:31:14,399 --> 02:31:21,760
we may not have used oops may not have
used CRA funds to renovate it,

1465
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:28,080
» we would still be able to apply those
rules to Nancy Hansen saying we want you

1466
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:32,800
to provide services for equipment
rentals or anything like that and we

1467
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:39,920
want you to provide services to support
Friday or any of those things that are

1468
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:45,200
related to Nancy Hansen.
>> Yes. under under the case law

1469
02:31:42,160 --> 02:31:50,720
interpreting that statute. Um even
though Nancy Hansen was property that

1470
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:55,280
was, you know, acquired and and built um
and and run without CRA funds, it's

1471
02:31:53,439 --> 02:31:59,520
still going to be subject to the same
disposition if it's a lease or a sale.

1472
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:06,880
» Okay. Right.
>> Okay. All right. So, that would Thank

1473
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:11,760
you, city attorney. I had to know that
because how we handle those things, it

1474
02:32:09,439 --> 02:32:18,240
makes a difference, too. So, I
appreciate that. And then, um,

1475
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:24,160
okay, that one I think I've got Oh,
okay. The other one was on this page of

1476
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:30,000
Molly's presentation, which is the
summary expectations with the current

1477
02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:35,840
proposed 4.5 mills.
And with that, when we're talking about

1478
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:42,960
um
possibly having to refund $6,000 of uh

1479
02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:50,080
fees that people have paid to join the
community center, fees that have been um

1480
02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:55,439
collected already for Fridayfest and
that sort of thing. But my question, and

1481
02:32:52,800 --> 02:33:00,560
I guess this would be to
uh I guess it's I guess it would be

1482
02:32:58,160 --> 02:33:03,200
Anthony. Sorry, Anthony, I'm asking you
everything today.

1483
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:04,560
» Can I clarify what that actually
includes?

1484
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:07,040
» Mhm.
>> Okay. It does not include membership

1485
02:33:06,319 --> 02:33:09,280
fees.
>> Okay.

1486
02:33:07,520 --> 02:33:15,040
» That is not part of that membership
fees. They sign paperwork saying when

1487
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:19,120
they register for annual or a monthly
membership, it says non-refundable. So,

1488
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:23,600
the city, unless Anthony tells me
otherwise, is not responsible for that.

1489
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:29,600
» Okay. What that figure includes is
actually um as I noted I when this was

1490
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:31,600
due I only had the 6,000 number in hand.
It's now closer to 10.

1491
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:39,439
» Mhm.
>> Um so that includes over $4,000 worth of

1492
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:44,960
facility rentals and um also
registrations for uh programs that are

1493
02:33:42,319 --> 02:33:50,240
starting either next month or within the
next couple days. and also all of the

1494
02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:57,280
Friday Fest payments that have been
taken uh through December.

1495
02:33:52,800 --> 02:34:03,200
» Okay, thank you Molly. And um let's see
that that just kind of got me off track

1496
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:08,560
here but okay so that's for the things
that for people that have rented for

1497
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:14,960
Friday fest have rentals for the
facilities and I had sent an email

1498
02:34:11,280 --> 02:34:19,520
asking about the pickle ball tournaments
and what we earn on those versus what it

1499
02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:23,120
cost in staff time and that kind of
thing. Did you happen to have that? I

1500
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:28,479
know you've been busy. Right off the top
of my head, um what is not included in

1501
02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:34,880
that $10,000 number right now is an
invoice that could honestly be paid at

1502
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:40,560
any point. Um for $712
and the staff time to do that rental is

1503
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:44,479
minimal.
>> Okay. For all those tournaments she had

1504
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:47,760
listed in that email.
>> That's not all the tournaments. Those

1505
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:50,399
are just the the two coming up with the
Nancy Hansen.

1506
02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:54,880
» Okay. I was curious on all those
tournaments because she emailed us and

1507
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:59,520
gave us a list of tournaments for the
whole year that were going to be in C5

1508
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:02,800
as well as Nancy Hansen.
>> I was only able to get the Nancy Hansen

1509
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:06,560
numbers because I've been
>> if you could provide those to us later,

1510
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:09,920
that would be helpful too
>> because that is that is basically tied

1511
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:12,800
into the rental fees because they're
renting the building, renting the

1512
02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:22,080
facility. Okay.
>> So, okay. Um and then let's see. Okay.

1513
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:27,439
All right. And then my other question I
think is back to you, Anthony. So, if we

1514
02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:34,560
looked at leasing this, um I keep
hearing we just close the doors and walk

1515
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:41,600
out and everybody has to be out of the
picture with their ser their services

1516
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:45,840
with the C5 or with the Nancy Hansen and
it'll be closed down for a while is what

1517
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:53,120
I've heard here today. Is there any
reason we can't look at the millage rate

1518
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:58,800
with a period of service for that
location to continue until we negotiate

1519
02:35:56,240 --> 02:36:03,680
contracts so that our citizens do not
lose services?

1520
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:08,479
» Theoretically, sorry.
>> Theoretically, of course. I mean, um, if

1521
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:12,399
they go through the disposition process,
I mean, you that that has to be

1522
02:36:10,720 --> 02:36:16,640
published in the newspaper. It has to
stay open for at least 30 days. my

1523
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:21,520
experience is going to be longer. So I
mean if you want to transition into some

1524
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:27,680
other other arrangement and in the
interimm basis

1525
02:36:24,080 --> 02:36:31,439
fund some general operating expenses for
the facility

1526
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:35,840
» out of millillage certainly you can do
that the council can do that

1527
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:41,600
» and that would I mean so we could
definitely just include a portion of

1528
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:45,200
those costs for the year if and you know
the thing that's difficult for me

1529
02:36:43,359 --> 02:36:50,240
looking at this and the millage rate and
trying to said it is we can say we want

1530
02:36:48,319 --> 02:36:54,640
to lease this. I have no idea what that
looks like. I've not gotten one proposal

1531
02:36:52,800 --> 02:37:01,680
or anything else and I'm looking at
numbers here. So, how do I determine how

1532
02:36:58,080 --> 02:37:06,720
I what cost it would be if I keep the
staff or if I look at leasing because I

1533
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:11,359
have no comparison. I'm comparing this
to nothing and I don't want to take

1534
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:16,720
services away. So, I was curious how if
we could do that, how it would work and

1535
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:20,800
if we had the the
legal ability to do it that way instead

1536
02:37:18,720 --> 02:37:24,720
of just closing the doors.
>> Certainly.

1537
02:37:21,760 --> 02:37:30,399
» Okay. So, that was one question and I'm
getting to the end of them, y'all. I'm

1538
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:36,439
sorry. I've been up here scribbling. Um,
okay.

1539
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:36,439
All right.

1540
02:37:42,319 --> 02:37:45,319
Okay.

1541
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:49,800
And then on page

1542
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:59,439
well this one says summary and
expectations of 3.85 mills or below.

1543
02:37:57,359 --> 02:38:04,960
And this is
in it says all expectations from the

1544
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:10,240
previous summary slide which was the
shifting communicate communications

1545
02:38:07,359 --> 02:38:14,720
responsibilities and um all this. So
this would be to you Molly. Sorry I was

1546
02:38:13,120 --> 02:38:20,880
trying to determine which part it was.
It all looks the same. Um so on this

1547
02:38:18,399 --> 02:38:29,439
slide that says diminished ability for
the city to prepare for respond to plus

1548
02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:34,319
recover from an emergency. Um on that
when we say recover from an emergency

1549
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:38,479
can you give me a definition of what
that is that we would be diminishing

1550
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:44,640
because we're looking at service levels.
We want to look at that I would think.

1551
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:49,200
So, um, when it comes to the recovery
capacity, um, one of the many hats that

1552
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:55,439
I wear is I'm the deputy emergency
coordinator and, um, one of my core

1553
02:38:52,880 --> 02:38:59,359
functions in that is all of the
emergency communications

1554
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:02,640
that funnels through me. So,
communicating, our ability to

1555
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:09,040
communicate
um, [clears throat] during, before, and

1556
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:15,120
after storms would would be diminished.
And then one of the other factors that

1557
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:22,800
um would probably need to be considered
when we are talking about um you know

1558
02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:26,960
drafting an RFP is the community center
was

1559
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:31,359
factored into the city's emergency
response and recovery plans. It's a

1560
02:39:29,439 --> 02:39:34,900
destination point. Clearly not a shelter
because that doesn't make you know

1561
02:39:33,040 --> 02:39:38,319
that's doesn't make sense to keep
[clears throat] people on an island when

1562
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:44,160
they shouldn't be on an island. But it
is a destination point and a key part of

1563
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:49,840
the recovery process in terms of a
centralized location for people to come

1564
02:39:46,960 --> 02:39:52,960
for us to distribute supplies so on so
forth.

1565
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:58,000
» So Zach can speak to that even more.
>> Right. And I'm imagine that Zach is

1566
02:39:56,399 --> 02:40:01,040
going to be ready when I get there
because we'll get to his page too. Okay.

1567
02:40:00,445 --> 02:40:04,960
[laughter]
Thank you. That was a question I had on

1568
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:09,760
that. Want to make sure I understood
that. And that's all I have. Mr. Mayor,

1569
02:40:07,920 --> 02:40:12,880
thank you for council for putting up
with me through that.

1570
02:40:11,439 --> 02:40:18,800
» That's great. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim.
Council member Willis.

1571
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:28,000
» Uh yes, Molly. Um and probably Joey as
well. Um on the 4.5 mil for the uh

1572
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:35,520
facilities C5, etc. [clears throat]
If we were wanting to maintain services

1573
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:40,399
on those facilities,
would we have to go above 4.5 to do

1574
02:40:38,319 --> 02:40:44,960
that?
>> I believe so because it would be a give

1575
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:48,080
and a take. If you want more service, it
would cost more. So, it' be a give and a

1576
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:52,800
take.
>> Okay. Okay. So, we would either have to

1577
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:57,680
drop something else somewhere else or
we're going to have to go above 4.5 to

1578
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:59,040
make that happen for whatever period of
time.

1579
02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:07,600
» Correct.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. Uh

1580
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:14,640
Natalie, if you don't mind, um how often
have we put our

1581
02:41:11,359 --> 02:41:19,760
benefits out to bid, healthcare, etc.?
Well, to my knowledge, I've only been

1582
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:26,080
here two years and the city had not gone
out to bid. So, which is why when we got

1583
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:28,080
the 45% that was the first thing we did.
>> Okay.

1584
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:32,080
» Cuz we had talked about it last year
about moving to the fiscal year that

1585
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:35,280
that would be something we would be
looking at just to make sure we were

1586
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:40,319
getting the best.
>> To your knowledge, in the past, when was

1587
02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:42,640
it ever put out to bid?
>> Never.

1588
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:48,240
» Not to my knowledge.
>> Okay. Um, have we looked at I know that

1589
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:52,880
through [clears throat] the Florida
League of Cities there's the Florida

1590
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:59,200
Municipal Insurance Trust and 11
municipalities in Bvard County subscribe

1591
02:41:55,920 --> 02:42:02,160
to that. Have we have we looked at
possibly including Cape Canaveral in

1592
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:06,240
that
>> since coming on board here? No. I did

1593
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:07,600
use them for 14 and a half years at
Cocoa Beach.

1594
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:14,800
» Uhhuh.
>> Um, it's a great agency as well.

1595
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:21,280
» Okay. they're much larger. So, you don't
have the dedicated claims rep like we do

1596
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:26,960
now to expedite claims. Um,
Pidgeot, they have our institutional

1597
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:32,160
knowledge, for lack of a better word.
>> So, they're able to understand our

1598
02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:36,600
city's needs. But if that is something,
we need to go out for bid for that.

1599
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:36,600
Anthony.

1600
02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:46,160
» Um, the way it's typically done in
practice, I mean, the city could

1601
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:50,000
solicit a proposal
>> directly from FMIT,

1602
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:53,520
» right?
>> Do it that way.

1603
02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:56,960
» Well, I understand there's about 250
municipalities in Florida that

1604
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:00,080
participate. So,
>> correct.

1605
02:42:57,840 --> 02:43:04,479
» What What do they know that we may not?
I don't I'm just asking the question.

1606
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:06,880
Honestly, I received the same level of
service from both.

1607
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:11,600
» Okay. All right.
>> Like I said, Pidgeot's smaller. And

1608
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:17,840
again, we have a dedicated person I can
go to each time we have a claim or an

1609
02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:22,479
incident and she expedites it for us.
>> Okay. All right. Well, thank you.

1610
02:43:19,680 --> 02:43:25,600
» We can look into it if you'd like.
>> I think it I think it's worth at least

1611
02:43:24,479 --> 02:43:29,280
seeing what
>> Yeah.

1612
02:43:25,920 --> 02:43:31,920
» what the benefit would be, if any. Um,
and that's all.

1613
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:36,080
» I think the main difference I've seen is
they had a dedicated disaster response

1614
02:43:34,960 --> 02:43:39,600
recovery team.
>> Mhm.

1615
02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:45,760
» That came on site. But in speaking with
Pigot recently, they also have those

1616
02:43:42,479 --> 02:43:51,359
similar services through other
um vendors that they contract with. So,

1617
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:56,240
» well, I noted I noticed that of the 11
municipalities in in Breard County,

1618
02:43:54,479 --> 02:44:02,399
» uh, quite a few of them are smaller than
us. So there's got to be some benefit

1619
02:43:59,279 --> 02:44:05,200
possibly. So if we could explore that to
some degree. Sure.

1620
02:44:03,359 --> 02:44:08,399
» Thank you,
Mayor.

1621
02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:11,439
» Yes. Thank you, Council Member Willis,
Council Member Shoryak, or Council

1622
02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:17,600
Member King.
>> A couple questions. Uh for Molly, the

1623
02:44:14,319 --> 02:44:21,520
different events, the Friday Fest,
uh Paddle Battle, Monster Mash, Egg

1624
02:44:19,840 --> 02:44:26,000
Hunt, Kids to Parks Days. Can you give
us like a ballpark what it costs each of

1625
02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:29,040
those things? Both fixed costs and
labor.

1626
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:32,359
» You'll have to give me a second to pull
those.

1627
02:44:29,359 --> 02:44:32,359
» Sure.

1628
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:55,120
That that was my only question if we
want to move on while Molly looks that

1629
02:44:54,640 --> 02:45:00,720
up.
>> Um so for the Monster Mash Halloween

1630
02:44:58,080 --> 02:45:08,720
party um what was budgeted for that
prior was about $400 to $500 um by the

1631
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:14,080
year. Uh Friday Fest uh per event um
about 17-800. So that's 10 events a

1632
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:19,720
year. It's $18,000.
And the pickle ball tournament, um about

1633
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:19,720
$2,900.

1634
02:45:23,359 --> 02:45:29,920
And [clears throat] the pickle ball
tournament, for what it's worth, um the

1635
02:45:27,279 --> 02:45:36,720
first year that Marcy took over it, um
after I assumed um kind of control, if

1636
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:43,200
you will, over the department, u had a
net profit of a little over 5,000. And

1637
02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:50,399
that is increased $2,000 every year with
no increase to the cost of the event.

1638
02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:52,399
» Molly, what was that cost again? I'm
sorry.

1639
02:45:51,359 --> 02:45:56,080
» For which one?
>> For pickle ball

1640
02:45:53,680 --> 02:46:00,640
» for the Space Coast Paddle Battle.
>> That runs at about $2,900.

1641
02:45:59,279 --> 02:46:09,760
» Thank you.
>> And the last event profited about uh

1642
02:46:04,720 --> 02:46:14,399
7,000 or 9,000 one of the two. Would you
mind just going through them one more

1643
02:46:11,359 --> 02:46:19,200
time, please? I'm sorry. Thank you.
>> I got the paddle battle. 2,900.

1644
02:46:17,040 --> 02:46:21,120
» Um, Monster Mash Halloween Party between
$4 and $500.

1645
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:27,800
» Thank you.
>> And then, uh, Friday Fest is about

1646
02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:27,800
$18,000 a year roughly.

1647
02:46:28,240 --> 02:46:38,479
» 18,000 egg hunt.
>> Um, egg hunt, that's about 700.

1648
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:46,200
» And kids to park day. Um, kids to parks
day. Uh, we usually can pull that

1649
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:46,200
together for about $200.

1650
02:46:51,760 --> 02:46:54,399
» So, members,
>> thank you, Molly. You're

1651
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:57,040
» welcome.
>> That's all I have.

1652
02:46:55,760 --> 02:47:04,800
» Yes. Thank you.
>> Okay. Um, my question is really directed

1653
02:47:00,960 --> 02:47:12,399
to our attorney. uh given the fact that
we have hanging over our head amendment

1654
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:17,760
three uh and I know that only 20% of our
property owners here are homesteaded

1655
02:47:14,960 --> 02:47:22,640
which is a big sigh of relief but
nevertheless um given the fact that that

1656
02:47:20,640 --> 02:47:29,760
could be a reality that we're dealing
with whatever we decide on this budget

1657
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:35,439
right now can do we have the ability to
tweak that budget after the November

1658
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:43,840
mber election until January 1st and
really fly spec the numbers again if

1659
02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:48,120
amendment three passes.
It's an unusual circumstance.

1660
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:53,279
» Yes, amendment three is unusual
circumstance, but under any

1661
02:47:51,279 --> 02:47:58,080
circumstances, the city council can
always revisit its budget during the

1662
02:47:56,000 --> 02:48:02,960
fiscal year if that's your question.
>> Okay. Okay. And my I guess my followup

1663
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:06,080
to that would be would it affect the um
millage rate during the course of that

1664
02:48:05,600 --> 02:48:07,359
year?
>> No.

1665
02:48:06,479 --> 02:48:13,279
» No. Okay.
>> It would only be as I understand it, it

1666
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:18,399
would commence with uh in 2027 28,
>> right? budget year for the first trunch

1667
02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:23,120
of uh extra homestead exemption and then
the following year would it go up to

1668
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:24,960
another what 250
>> 250 right

1669
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:29,120
» exemption
>> and then we could we could adjust our

1670
02:48:26,960 --> 02:48:34,640
budget and our millage rate at the at
the at the next fiscal year correct if

1671
02:48:32,319 --> 02:48:39,200
we wanted to lower the millillage or if
we had to raise it we we'd have that

1672
02:48:37,040 --> 02:48:42,640
opportunity to do that then
>> right you would have to go through the

1673
02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:44,720
whole budget process that you're going
through Now,

1674
02:48:43,840 --> 02:48:49,040
» right,
>> next year you have to do it again and

1675
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:52,080
you would be taking into consideration
next year whether or not amendment three

1676
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,800
has passed,
>> right?

1677
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:59,600
» To set your millillage plus next year
you'll be doing an extra exercise

1678
02:48:57,439 --> 02:49:04,399
because the legislature wants local
governments to do a shadow budget. I

1679
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:08,640
call it a you know of uh what what the
budget would look like with 10%

1680
02:49:06,080 --> 02:49:13,120
reduction.
>> Okay. And that brings up another

1681
02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:17,520
question. Thank you. Um,
I have to find it.

1682
02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:27,120
Uh,
10%. If we if we asked our department

1683
02:49:23,840 --> 02:49:34,399
heads, our directors, if you had to take
another 10% off the top, if let's say we

1684
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:40,080
went to 4.5 millillage and they took 10%
off the top to get us there. Um, I guess

1685
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:46,160
my question in is generally to the
directors, would they be able to do that

1686
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:50,080
to go to 4.5
or are are you down to the bone right

1687
02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:53,920
now?
So if I understand the question, if

1688
02:49:52,319 --> 02:50:01,040
you're talking about taking an
additional 10% right from the 4.5,

1689
02:49:58,720 --> 02:50:11,240
» 10% across the board with each
department, taking 10% off so that we

1690
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:11,240
could reach 4.5 and still be functional,

1691
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:18,399
» right? Um I I think the way to answer
that is

1692
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:23,279
» it's it's kind of like
at the 4.5 mill rate we have um x amount

1693
02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:26,319
of expenses,
>> right?

1694
02:50:23,600 --> 02:50:31,200
» So if we took 10% off of that,
>> then we'd have 10% less expenses. Then

1695
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:37,200
in that case, the millage rate would
correspondingly potentially change or

1696
02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:44,479
other things could be changed. But um I
guess how I would look at it, it's more

1697
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:50,080
of [clears throat] the um they change
the mill rate will affect what we can

1698
02:50:46,479 --> 02:50:55,760
afford to do. So then if we cut 10% off
of the 4.5 in effect,

1699
02:50:53,439 --> 02:51:02,479
» we could go down to some number below
4.5 just to get this point um across.

1700
02:51:00,479 --> 02:51:07,680
» Okay. It's just theoretical. I just
needed to know that. Um, and my other

1701
02:51:05,439 --> 02:51:11,840
question right now is really to the
people who are here and the people who

1702
02:51:09,680 --> 02:51:15,920
aren't here who might be watching us on
the video.

1703
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:22,160
Are you willing to raise the mil the
millillage rate and pay the increase in

1704
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:27,439
tax to keep the amenities that you all
have said you really enjoy?

1705
02:51:25,439 --> 02:51:31,600
And and I think that's the question.
It's not about what I want to do. It's

1706
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:38,000
about what you want to do. if you're
willing to pay the extra taxes and uh

1707
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:43,323
and have what we have now and maybe save
a few jobs in the interim.

1708
02:51:41,304 --> 02:51:43,323
[applause]

1709
02:51:46,960 --> 02:51:54,479
That that seems to be that seems to be
the consensus that I'm I'm getting by

1710
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:59,520
reading nextdoor.com
and hearing you folks come out here and

1711
02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:04,319
and talk about how much you enjoy the
amenities and how what it gives you such

1712
02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:09,040
a sense of community. Are you willing to
pay for it? And if you are, then maybe

1713
02:52:06,720 --> 02:52:13,279
we can do some juggling around and make
it happen.

1714
02:52:10,800 --> 02:52:16,960
That's that was my question. That was my
question.

1715
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:23,040
Oh, well, thank you. [laughter] Vote for
me. I'm just kidding.

1716
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:24,160
Just kidding.
All right.

1717
02:52:23,439 --> 02:52:27,120
» Okay.
>> That's it, Mr. Mayor.

1718
02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:30,240
» Any other question or statements,
questions at this time?

1719
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:32,319
» No, I don't think so.
>> Great.

1720
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:36,240
» Okay.
>> I'm going to I got a few questions, but

1721
02:52:34,560 --> 02:52:41,840
I think I'm going to hold all really
good. And I know this is why we're here

1722
02:52:38,640 --> 02:52:48,840
to work through it and and answer and
and and understand what we're looking at

1723
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:48,840
so we can make the best decision.

1724
02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:55,279
» Council member Willis.
>> Yeah. I have another question that we

1725
02:52:52,960 --> 02:53:02,399
probably haven't broached the topic on
yet, but uh Joy, I asked you earlier

1726
02:52:57,840 --> 02:53:11,680
about uh the CRA and how much
um employees uh salaries are reimbursed

1727
02:53:07,200 --> 02:53:18,399
from the CRA for their use
in the CRA and you said 10%. That to me

1728
02:53:15,120 --> 02:53:24,960
seemed a little low compared to what
we've seen over the last year or two

1729
02:53:20,800 --> 02:53:29,760
years of uh development in the CRA. So,
how do you how do you arrive at that 10%

1730
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:34,880
reimbursement from the CRA? Because if
it if we're actually a little higher,

1731
02:53:32,160 --> 02:53:39,040
when couldn't we be taking more out of
the CRA in that?

1732
02:53:36,720 --> 02:53:46,319
» Mhm. Yeah, you are correct. We we came
to the 10% number because we we thought

1733
02:53:42,960 --> 02:53:51,840
roughly 10% of the employees that deal
with the CRA or of the employees that

1734
02:53:49,040 --> 02:53:57,120
deal with the CRA, roughly 10% of their
time is dealing with things within the

1735
02:53:54,319 --> 02:54:02,080
CRA. So that's why of the amount of a
salary for an employee who deals with

1736
02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:06,319
the CRA, if 10% is dealing with the CRA,
then the CRA will pay reimburse that

1737
02:54:04,240 --> 02:54:12,560
amount. As far as all the projects and
things that happen in the CRA, all of

1738
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:18,960
that only comes out of the CRA. Um, as
far as if we can potentially look into

1739
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:23,279
raising the 10% amount of people's time,
>> if it's higher, then we could look into

1740
02:54:21,040 --> 02:54:30,640
that potentially. Well, I mean,
currently there's nothing tracked

1741
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:36,240
as against how much of say uh um Tim
Carile's time

1742
02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:43,040
dealing with the CRA issue or a project
within the CRA or any other person's

1743
02:54:39,840 --> 02:54:47,200
time. Is any of that tracked?
>> No. At this point, no. Like in the

1744
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:53,359
payroll system, we do not track it hour
by hour. Um no.

1745
02:54:50,640 --> 02:54:58,479
» Okay. All right. Uh it just it just
seems to me that that's a very low

1746
02:54:55,680 --> 02:55:02,479
number.
>> City attorney.

1747
02:54:59,760 --> 02:55:09,520
» Um regarding CRA expenditures, I mean
CRA expenditures have to be for a CRA

1748
02:55:07,120 --> 02:55:16,960
purpose, right? First and foremost, and
I think the council understands that um

1749
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:21,120
the CRA will has to pay or should be
paying its own cost for ad

1750
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:26,880
administration.
So, I think that's what you're alluding

1751
02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:35,040
to. If there's a CRA project and it's
being administered by city staff, then

1752
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:39,120
the administration costs
incurred

1753
02:55:36,640 --> 02:55:46,720
uh for that staff member to implement
the CRA project

1754
02:55:41,760 --> 02:55:51,600
is a legitimate CRA expense. It's not
some just arbitrary percentage. It's

1755
02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:57,200
based on administration administrative
services provided to the CRA by city

1756
02:55:54,479 --> 02:56:02,399
staff.
>> I I understand that. That's why I asked

1757
02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:08,399
if the time had been tracked
>> because if we're not tracking that time,

1758
02:56:05,359 --> 02:56:14,560
» I think the staff this year is really
starting to hone in on that obviously,

1759
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:18,960
right? And I I've consulted with them to
give them some of the guardrails

1760
02:56:16,240 --> 02:56:24,640
regarding, you know, I think in my
opinion, they were legitimate CRA

1761
02:56:21,439 --> 02:56:31,200
expenses that the city was subsidizing
and and the CRA has not been paying, but

1762
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:37,760
that again the exercise is related to
legitimate CRA projects and expenses,

1763
02:56:35,439 --> 02:56:43,840
right? We need to be very careful on
that. But the CRA certainly should be

1764
02:56:40,240 --> 02:56:47,760
paying its fair share of
use of city resources including but not

1765
02:56:46,399 --> 02:56:49,120
limited to staff.
>> Mhm.

1766
02:56:48,479 --> 02:56:51,600
» Right.
>> Right.

1767
02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:55,707
» Exactly. That's that's my point.
>> That Yeah, you're absolutely correct.

1768
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:58,720
» I have a question with that.
[clears throat]

1769
02:56:56,240 --> 02:57:03,040
Um, so
in knowing that, which is wonderful

1770
02:57:01,120 --> 02:57:07,760
because that means some of staff's time
is subsidized by CRA that's coming from

1771
02:57:05,920 --> 02:57:13,120
the county and we're glad about that,
right? Cuz there's a lot of taxes we

1772
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:18,720
don't get from them. Um, but how do how
do we budget it in with the CRA for the

1773
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:24,720
upcoming year then when we have like uh
CRA projects? Do is there an an

1774
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:31,200
estimated time or percentage of time
that we can put into this year's budget

1775
02:57:27,600 --> 02:57:35,760
on the upcoming CRA projects? And what
what does that look like as far as

1776
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:40,560
percentage wise because there's got to
be some way to budget for it, right?

1777
02:57:38,319 --> 02:57:46,880
Instead of budgeting in a rears or are
we budgeting for the past year's time or

1778
02:57:44,080 --> 02:57:52,479
can we go ahead and budget forward? I I
don't I that's a Joey question on the

1779
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:57,040
specifics of the budget, but with
respect to administration costs of the

1780
02:57:54,640 --> 02:58:00,880
CRA, that clearly should be a line item
in my view a line item in the CRA

1781
02:57:58,960 --> 02:58:04,640
budget. And I think it is right.
>> Um yeah, we're currently calling I

1782
02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:09,760
believe contribution is definitely a
line item of the the amount that the CRA

1783
02:58:07,439 --> 02:58:13,760
will give back to the general fund for
the allocation of time, which is

1784
02:58:11,439 --> 02:58:19,920
currently 10%, we'll look into it
>> if it's more. Um and so we are budgeting

1785
02:58:16,800 --> 02:58:25,840
for it for next year roughly 10% of a
number of employees time that's spent

1786
02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:31,520
with the CRA. Um and this current fiscal
year as well we're going to be um we

1787
02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:35,840
will have those savings as well.
>> Okay. So it but in this that we're

1788
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:40,160
looking at with the examples with the
millillage

1789
02:58:37,439 --> 02:58:45,200
is that percentage already figured in
with these examples that we're getting

1790
02:58:42,240 --> 02:58:49,439
on millillage or is that something that
you have to add in

1791
02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:53,200
» uh in the backup that's been provided
all the numbers we are providing it's

1792
02:58:51,840 --> 02:58:56,080
already calculated.
>> Okay.

1793
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:59,279
» And yes they do change as the mill rate
changes and and

1794
02:58:57,120 --> 02:59:04,880
» Okay. So you've already included that
for this upcoming budget. Correct.

1795
02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:07,840
» Okay. All right. Thank you.
And thank you, Council Member Willis.

1796
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:12,399
That was a good
>> Well, you've included it at 10%.

1797
02:59:11,120 --> 02:59:17,120
» Yes.
>> Okay. I still think that's low.

1798
02:59:15,120 --> 02:59:20,319
» We will look into it to see if if
there's any um potential additional

1799
02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:24,448
reimbursement.
>> Thank you.

1800
02:59:22,429 --> 02:59:24,448
[clears throat]

1801
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:35,040
My one question I think at this time I
got a few more but want to definitely

1802
02:59:30,720 --> 02:59:39,760
hear from the public is on the uh you
know we got it seen in the presentation

1803
02:59:37,279 --> 02:59:47,800
the impacts but when this is uh included
in the budget um that spreadsheet thank

1804
02:59:43,760 --> 02:59:47,800
you so much that was provided

1805
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:51,720
the

1806
02:59:52,160 --> 03:00:00,399
one with the column title 4.5.
Are the changes that we saw in this

1807
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:07,120
presentation
included in the 4.5 column?

1808
03:00:04,720 --> 03:00:12,319
» Um, it it should remain consistent
because the the bottom line is at the

1809
03:00:10,560 --> 03:00:16,479
four point line if that's kind of the
starting point.

1810
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:23,760
» Yeah. Column L there. Sorry. Go ahead.
>> Mhm. If 4.5 is the the starting point,

1811
03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:30,399
» then to go down to the the columns to
the right, it would require an

1812
03:00:25,359 --> 03:00:37,520
additional um I believe it was 1.4
uh millions in cuts. Um and then from

1813
03:00:34,080 --> 03:00:44,640
the 4.5 to roll back would require about
1.9 million

1814
03:00:39,920 --> 03:00:51,680
um total. Yes. So it is um consistent
because the the idea is is if the

1815
03:00:48,399 --> 03:00:56,240
starting point is that 4.5 millillage.
>> Mhm.

1816
03:00:52,800 --> 03:01:00,720
» Then we have um the difference between
there and going to a lower millillage

1817
03:00:58,720 --> 03:01:06,439
would provide the city with less money
to work with. So therefore the city

1818
03:01:02,960 --> 03:01:06,439
would have to adjust.

1819
03:01:06,720 --> 03:01:16,319
Does that answer your question?
>> Yeah. So the

1820
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:22,080
9 roughly 3 million is obviously the the
4.5 and that's few million higher than

1821
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:30,160
the 6.5.
Uh and and it does so the revenues

1822
03:01:24,880 --> 03:01:33,840
change but so do the expenses to the CRA
and so that's where the net effect takes

1823
03:01:32,319 --> 03:01:39,040
place.
So, if we were to to scroll down to the

1824
03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:45,120
total revenue, if you go down just a
little bit and might even

1825
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:50,880
hide that header up there in the far
right arrow that collapses.

1826
03:01:48,720 --> 03:01:55,600
Go up. Yeah, almost there. Go. Keep
going up over to the right little that

1827
03:01:53,040 --> 03:02:01,439
little arrow pointing up. Oh, nope. Down
right there. Oh, right there. Yep. There

1828
03:01:57,760 --> 03:02:06,479
you go. Thank you. Okay,
so Yep. Good. All right. So the total

1829
03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:10,680
revenue at the 4.5
we know roughly 9.3

1830
03:02:11,760 --> 03:02:20,640
million would come from advalorum taxes
and the the total after all the other

1831
03:02:16,720 --> 03:02:24,720
revenues would be 18.8 million.
That's what I'm seeing.

1832
03:02:22,640 --> 03:02:31,680
» Correct. All the revenues combined would
be that 18.3 million. And so that's

1833
03:02:28,240 --> 03:02:37,920
about 50% of the total revenue would
come from advorum tax which is I think

1834
03:02:34,479 --> 03:02:41,720
an increase. I think we're at 40% today
but the um

1835
03:02:41,760 --> 03:02:49,520
the expenditure well the first question
I have and it's going to be the same for

1836
03:02:46,319 --> 03:02:55,080
expenses and this is it out of that 18.8
8 ad valorum is reoccurring revenue.

1837
03:02:56,319 --> 03:03:06,960
What amount of the 18.8
is reoccurring revenue that we can rely

1838
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:12,720
on as opposed to one time or maybe
wouldn't meet that classification.

1839
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:15,680
And if you don't have that now, that's I
think a really good one. Maybe circle

1840
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:18,560
back.
>> Mhm.

1841
03:03:16,880 --> 03:03:22,160
» Yes. Very good question. I don't have
that with the the numbers we have in

1842
03:03:20,399 --> 03:03:28,000
front of us right now, but I can
>> it's well above the vast majority, 90%

1843
03:03:26,399 --> 03:03:33,120
um is
>> those numbers we're looking at are the

1844
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:37,040
reoccurring. Um we have a few grants, I
believe 150,000,

1845
03:03:35,359 --> 03:03:43,040
» um some other kind of more one-time
things, but um I can um calculate the

1846
03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:46,080
exact recurring numbers and send those
to you.

1847
03:03:44,240 --> 03:03:50,880
» Yeah, just an estimate. And I think
that's exactly right. I would transfers

1848
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:57,120
like we were talking about the CRA and
you said contribution CRA being fund 106

1849
03:03:54,880 --> 03:04:01,840
I think detailed on the
>> is that uh I'm seeing that's a

1850
03:03:59,359 --> 03:04:08,399
substantial I mean that's like uh in
this particular one

1851
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:12,880
» 900 yeah $55,000 almost a million is
that what we were just talking about

1852
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:17,760
» that is a very good example that would
not be reoccurring because that is

1853
03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:22,399
related to a debt payment that the CRA
gives money to the general fund and then

1854
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:27,920
the general fund pays it out and next
year is the last year of a debt payment.

1855
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:33,840
» So next year would be the last year that
that um that occurs. So then it's not

1856
03:04:31,760 --> 03:04:41,040
necessarily reoccurring.
>> Okay. So yeah that I think when you and

1857
03:04:38,479 --> 03:04:46,080
just get an estimate of the number uh on
the revenue and then really the same

1858
03:04:43,439 --> 03:04:53,840
question if we scroll down to the very
bottom line of um a row to the

1859
03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:59,279
expenditures if on the spreadsheet go
all the way down to the bottom and if we

1860
03:04:57,200 --> 03:05:02,920
add up all the expenditures I'm assuming
this is going to be

1861
03:05:03,520 --> 03:05:07,600
uh balanced
And this is just general fund, right?

1862
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:11,520
Yeah,
>> correct.

1863
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:16,720
» So it was column L. So there it is $18.8
million

1864
03:05:13,359 --> 03:05:21,680
the expenditures just below it. So no
deficit, right? That's a balanced

1865
03:05:18,560 --> 03:05:26,000
budget. In the past, we received budgets
that

1866
03:05:24,399 --> 03:05:30,560
appeared to be balanced, but because
there was non-reoccurring revenue. So

1867
03:05:28,560 --> 03:05:36,880
what I'd like to ask is what are the
reoccurring expenditures

1868
03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:43,960
compared to the reoccurring revenues and
is that balanced and it uh I think

1869
03:05:44,399 --> 03:05:54,000
that's it for me now. So
not a lot of CIPs but that's an example

1870
03:05:51,920 --> 03:06:02,160
of a non-reoccurring right it's a
one-time expense. Um is

1871
03:05:58,399 --> 03:06:05,760
that's it for now I think. Yes. Mayor
Pro Tim

1872
03:06:02,960 --> 03:06:11,520
» I have one more question about the CRA.
Um so we know we haven't captured the

1873
03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:15,040
administration of that.
How far back has that been that we

1874
03:06:13,359 --> 03:06:18,479
haven't captured that administration of
that?

1875
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:23,359
» The current fiscal year we're in right
now is the first year we are charging

1876
03:06:21,520 --> 03:06:28,800
for administrative expenses.
>> Okay. So

1877
03:06:25,600 --> 03:06:32,319
city attorney. Here I go. Can I go back
and capture the administration all the

1878
03:06:30,720 --> 03:06:36,960
way back to when the community center
was built

1879
03:06:34,800 --> 03:06:41,560
» because it had CRA funds involved,
right? Can I go back and get that money?

1880
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:49,760
» Um
I I I don't know. I'd have to think

1881
03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:58,080
about that one a little bit more because
I mean those are just years that have

1882
03:06:52,319 --> 03:07:03,600
gone by where frankly, you know, the the
city

1883
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:09,920
elected to do that and not, you know, as
the CRA was

1884
03:07:06,160 --> 03:07:16,160
created and starting to generate income
that and revenue, tiff revenue, the the

1885
03:07:12,800 --> 03:07:21,680
city didn't um impose and the CRA did
not pay uh for those types of expenses

1886
03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:25,040
» for those for for those past budget
years. So,

1887
03:07:22,720 --> 03:07:29,920
» and I understand that, but I'm in
extraordinary times. So, I want to know

1888
03:07:27,040 --> 03:07:34,160
if I can do that statutoily
with the CRA. I want to go back to the

1889
03:07:32,399 --> 03:07:38,720
community center and get our
administration money. [laughter]

1890
03:07:36,880 --> 03:07:44,560
» But even if we go back to Cape Center,
I'd be happy. Well, administrative, just

1891
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:49,359
so we're clear, and Joey, maybe you can
even chime in if necessary, but

1892
03:07:46,319 --> 03:07:53,040
administration money is not
the city personnel that are operating

1893
03:07:51,680 --> 03:08:00,080
the community center.
>> No, I understand that. It's the it's the

1894
03:07:55,920 --> 03:08:05,680
staff time that it took to administer
the CRA project. Correct.

1895
03:08:03,840 --> 03:08:10,000
» It's
the staff It's staff time that

1896
03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:14,800
administers CRA projects. It's staff
time that helps with the general

1897
03:08:11,520 --> 03:08:21,279
operation of the CRA and preparing the
budget and all that stuff. Um there are

1898
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:27,520
also, just so you know, there are some
limitations on um the portion of the

1899
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:33,120
county's TIF revenue that can be used
for administrative services. is the

1900
03:08:29,359 --> 03:08:37,840
county has capped that amount amount of
um use of of CRA revenue in the

1901
03:08:35,600 --> 03:08:39,680
interlocal agreement between the CRA
city and the county.

1902
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:44,960
» Mhm.
>> Um so you know there are limitations on

1903
03:08:42,880 --> 03:08:50,720
the county portion of the tiff revenue.
that I would just love to know if

1904
03:08:46,319 --> 03:08:56,240
there's any of it on recent projects
that were not captured that we could

1905
03:08:53,840 --> 03:09:01,439
recapture, you know, that we could go
back and that I know would take you time

1906
03:08:59,120 --> 03:09:05,840
to really look at it. I could talk to
I'll talk I can talk to Joey and staff

1907
03:09:03,200 --> 03:09:13,359
and go back and and and look at some of
that, but as Joey indicated, this year

1908
03:09:09,760 --> 03:09:18,160
the city is capturing
um the CRA's fair share of paying for

1909
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:22,720
staff time.
>> Okay. Let me know if I need to go to

1910
03:09:19,840 --> 03:09:24,960
some county meetings. [laughter]
>> That's not going to help you in this

1911
03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:30,640
regard.
>> Okay. just thought I'd suggest, but I

1912
03:09:28,240 --> 03:09:34,640
would be hap I'd be like, you know, with
this being an extraordinary

1913
03:09:32,000 --> 03:09:42,080
circumstance, if we can get any of our
past administration money, I'd be happy.

1914
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:44,080
So, if you could check on that, I'd
appreciate it.

1915
03:09:43,120 --> 03:09:49,120
» Good thoughts. [clears throat]
>> Question. Uh, how much how much are we

1916
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:53,279
getting from that this year?
Um, I don't know this current year off

1917
03:09:51,439 --> 03:09:56,880
the top of my head, but I know uh next
year since but since we're budgeting for

1918
03:09:55,040 --> 03:10:04,960
it for next year it's about I want to
say slightly over a h 100red,000.

1919
03:09:59,600 --> 03:10:11,439
» Wow. Okay. Thank you. Good idea. Okay.
>> And some of that's not just staff

1920
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:16,560
um salary and benefits like the
proportionate share. It goes it goes to

1921
03:10:14,640 --> 03:10:20,240
it goes to op overhead operating
expenses too. Right.

1922
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:24,720
» Right.
>> Now it can't as you can see it it's it's

1923
03:10:22,640 --> 03:10:28,319
not a small number. I mean but it's it's
something that's

1924
03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:33,120
» every little bit that is that we can get
for anything like that to me is a

1925
03:10:31,200 --> 03:10:37,359
win-win. So, if you wouldn't mind
talking with Joey about it and seeing if

1926
03:10:35,200 --> 03:10:45,279
we can get anything at all, that just
helps us go farther with trying to do

1927
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:49,359
something in this situation. Thank you.
>> Any other questions at this time? Sure,

1928
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:54,399
there'll be more.
>> I I don't have a question. I have a a

1929
03:10:52,720 --> 03:11:02,880
suggestion.
Um, we're looking for revenue

1930
03:10:58,399 --> 03:11:08,880
outside of Adalorum taxes.
Why don't we look into the possibility?

1931
03:11:06,479 --> 03:11:12,880
And I got this idea from East Central
Florida Regional Planning Council. I

1932
03:11:10,560 --> 03:11:18,880
serve on the executive board and I heard
a presentation by Simol County and it is

1933
03:11:17,040 --> 03:11:25,040
a tourism
improvement district which is separate

1934
03:11:21,680 --> 03:11:32,479
than the tourism tax that the county
currently collects. And I'm sure the uh

1935
03:11:28,560 --> 03:11:38,319
city attorney is going to uh uh keep me
between the ditches here. Um

1936
03:11:36,037 --> 03:11:48,160
[clears throat] but what they've done,
they've gone to the hotels in Simol

1937
03:11:42,080 --> 03:11:56,399
County and have enlisted them into this
tourism improvement district because the

1938
03:11:53,200 --> 03:12:03,200
hotels are dependent upon a vibrant
city. And if we want to remain a vibrant

1939
03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:08,800
city, we need the tourism and we need
the input and the finance from these

1940
03:12:07,200 --> 03:12:16,960
hotels.
We could solicit from the hotels to

1941
03:12:10,880 --> 03:12:21,680
contribute a dollar a stay per day.
Now, we're looking at probably I think

1942
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:28,800
it's 1,500
plus rooms. So, this is just numbers off

1943
03:12:25,040 --> 03:12:33,120
the top of my head. So, annually at a
dollar a day, we're looking at around

1944
03:12:30,720 --> 03:12:37,120
$361,000
from the hotels.

1945
03:12:35,279 --> 03:12:44,960
Now, they would have to we would have to
solicit them to participate in this. Um,

1946
03:12:41,680 --> 03:12:49,760
that would be something I am more than
happy to go and try to do. I would meet

1947
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:53,600
with any hotel owner. Can't meet with
the manager. you have to meet with the

1948
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:58,568
owner because they would just pass that
through

1949
03:12:55,200 --> 03:13:04,560
for each one of their stays.
[clears throat] On top of that,

1950
03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:10,720
we could go to the the uh port
and ask them because the port relies

1951
03:13:07,920 --> 03:13:17,279
upon a vibrant community as well. They
do not want to see a community in

1952
03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:21,600
decomposing around them,
which if we're starting to close down

1953
03:13:19,120 --> 03:13:29,760
things, that's possibly what's going to
happen. Um, I'm happy to meet with

1954
03:13:25,920 --> 03:13:37,680
commissioners, anyone uh to put this
idea forward and get that because if we

1955
03:13:33,120 --> 03:13:43,840
did a dollar per head to your original
suggestion, Mr. mayor,

1956
03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:49,840
we're looking at possibly 9.29 $9.3
million annually.

1957
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:56,640
» So, [clears throat]
and if if the port didn't want to pony

1958
03:13:53,840 --> 03:14:03,040
up a dollar, if they even ponyed up 50
cents ahead,

1959
03:13:59,760 --> 03:14:10,319
that's over $4.5 million.
So I am more than willing to

1960
03:14:07,359 --> 03:14:17,359
expend whatever energy, whatever uh
connections that I have to go and talk

1961
03:14:13,520 --> 03:14:22,960
and preach to them the need
for helping Cape Canaveral out because

1962
03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:28,399
we bear the brunt of so much of what
happens in the port.

1963
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:33,760
And I think it would be well worth us to
make that effort. I don't want to just

1964
03:14:30,880 --> 03:14:39,359
talk about it. I want to go do it. And
uh I can I've already made inquiries to

1965
03:14:37,760 --> 03:14:44,239
some commissioners about sitting down
and talking. I've made inquiries to a

1966
03:14:42,399 --> 03:14:49,680
couple of hotel owners about sitting
down and talking. And I'm happy to do

1967
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:55,214
it. I just would need the council's
blessing.

1968
03:14:51,200 --> 03:14:55,214
So, I'm ready to go. [applause]

1969
03:14:58,720 --> 03:15:06,080
That's great. I'm trying to document
really everything. So at the end, one of

1970
03:15:02,800 --> 03:15:10,399
the goals is uh to give clear direction.
A lot of times we'll get through these

1971
03:15:07,359 --> 03:15:14,160
meetings and the end it's uh all right.
Well, let's let's recap. And so I've

1972
03:15:13,439 --> 03:15:20,640
captured [clears throat]
I think some of the things that we can

1973
03:15:16,239 --> 03:15:25,840
come back to and u
try and and set some plans into place or

1974
03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:30,160
at least pursue those. So thank you.
Well, let me let me add to that that

1975
03:15:28,080 --> 03:15:38,800
this is already being done in Simol
County, Daytona Beach, and Tampa,

1976
03:15:35,040 --> 03:15:42,640
and it is not run through the county.
The county doesn't collect these funds.

1977
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:48,800
These are contributions from the
hotelers and from the port. So, it's not

1978
03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:56,880
a tax. Mhm.
>> It is an investment in their community,

1979
03:15:52,080 --> 03:16:02,560
in their neighbors, and to ensure that
we present a very good face to the

1980
03:16:00,960 --> 03:16:06,479
people that are coming to partake of
their services. So,

1981
03:16:05,245 --> 03:16:11,200
[snorts]
>> excellent. Thank you.

1982
03:16:09,040 --> 03:16:16,560
Council got some cards up here. Any
comments before we go to the public?

1983
03:16:13,680 --> 03:16:20,720
Very helpful.
We'll come back and we can keep working

1984
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:23,680
through it. All right. If you joined us,
I don't know if anyone came in after,

1985
03:16:22,239 --> 03:16:28,160
but if you do intend to speak, we're
about to open that up and we do ask you

1986
03:16:25,520 --> 03:16:33,040
please fill out a card. Uh, and if you
did speak earlier, I I still got your

1987
03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:38,160
cards up here and so no need to I think
fill it out twice. But the first one I

1988
03:16:35,120 --> 03:16:42,720
have here, um, and I should recap, three
minutes is it's a green light, yellow

1989
03:16:40,560 --> 03:16:48,560
light goes, uh, we got about 30 seconds
left and a red one is we're wrapping up.

1990
03:16:45,680 --> 03:16:54,640
Sorry, I saw you standing up. Did you do
you need to go? I'm sure the Okay, cuz

1991
03:16:52,239 --> 03:17:00,976
and if uh the first one I have is Mr.
Brad PL. Brad,

1992
03:16:58,956 --> 03:17:00,976
[clears throat]

1993
03:17:02,640 --> 03:17:12,479
» excuse me, Miss Natalie. HR is very
hard. Where is

1994
03:17:09,840 --> 03:17:19,200
that free HR presentation? That was a
Fortune 100 presentation and I've worked

1995
03:17:15,760 --> 03:17:24,960
for Fortune 100 companies.
I wrote this prior.

1996
03:17:21,920 --> 03:17:29,920
Mayor and council, city manager, staff,
and fellow residents. After reviewing

1997
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:35,439
today's public agenda, I have one
immediate reaction. This is not a good

1998
03:17:32,560 --> 03:17:42,800
optic for Cape Canaveral. We are
discussing eliminating between 35 and 65

1999
03:17:39,120 --> 03:17:47,920
67% of our general fund workers. These
aren't numbers on a spreadsheet. These

2000
03:17:45,200 --> 03:17:53,120
are our neighbors and friends. Many live
right here in Cape Canaveral. They have

2001
03:17:50,160 --> 03:17:57,439
families, mortgages, children, and a
goal to retire in a flourishing

2002
03:17:55,200 --> 03:18:02,800
community. And they're the people who
maintain our city, enforce our codes,

2003
03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:08,000
operate our recreation programs, support
our events, and serve our residents

2004
03:18:05,439 --> 03:18:14,880
every day. So, I have one fundamental
question. How did we get here? If we

2005
03:18:11,279 --> 03:18:20,720
read October 25, the Canaveral Explorer
magazine, the message to our citizens,

2006
03:18:17,680 --> 03:18:25,600
we were told that property taxes had
again been reduced below the state roll

2007
03:18:23,200 --> 03:18:31,120
back rate while the city continued
progressing on storm water safety and

2008
03:18:28,640 --> 03:18:37,120
community service. Meanwhile, our
revenue would be decreased.

2009
03:18:34,880 --> 03:18:41,439
The city were looking during this time
the city was looking forward to the

2010
03:18:38,880 --> 03:18:46,960
Friday fest, trunk or treat, national
night out, and activities at the C5

2011
03:18:44,160 --> 03:18:53,200
building. Less than one year later, we
are discussing a completely different

2012
03:18:48,960 --> 03:19:01,040
Cape Canaveral. At 4.5 mil, general fund
staff falls from 43 employees to 28. At

2013
03:18:57,359 --> 03:19:09,040
3.5, only 18 remain. At roll [snorts]
back rate, only 14 remain. in a 67%

2014
03:19:04,960 --> 03:19:14,120
decrease. No general fund for public Rex
community PRCA employees.

2015
03:19:14,640 --> 03:19:24,720
One infrastructure maintenance employee,
eliminating Friday fest, all civic

2016
03:19:20,560 --> 03:19:29,760
events, possibly closing our parks, and
leasing out facilities.

2017
03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:34,640
One person is left to help maintain an
entire city. I do not believe

2018
03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:40,960
dismantling Cape Canaveral should be our
f financial recovery plan. We've

2019
03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:46,319
discussed paid parking parking a solid
waste fee, recreational fees that Mr.

2020
03:19:44,080 --> 03:19:52,160
Willis brought up, leasing or
potentially disposing of city assets. My

2021
03:19:49,439 --> 03:19:57,279
question is, what does each of these
options actually generate in dollars?

2022
03:19:55,279 --> 03:20:02,720
And have we
put that down? put the numbers in front

2023
03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:08,239
of the citizens and then give us a
roadmap. I recognize that the city

2024
03:20:05,359 --> 03:20:13,600
manager, Mr. Touchberry, is facing
extremely difficult decisions.

2025
03:20:10,800 --> 03:20:19,760
Eliminating positions is never easy.
Right or wrong, he is confronting the

2026
03:20:16,160 --> 03:20:23,920
financial reality before him as a leader
should. Now, council must demonstrate

2027
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:27,080
that same leadership.
>> Thank you.

2028
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:36,473
Thank you,
>> Mr. Carrie. [applause]

2029
03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:41,319
Carrie H. Hearnden.

2030
03:20:46,960 --> 03:20:56,000
Hi, my name is Carrie H. Hearnden. I
live at 300 Columbia Drive, unit 2308.

2031
03:20:52,640 --> 03:21:00,880
Um I'm a city uh born and raised in
Miami. My wife and I live have moved

2032
03:20:58,399 --> 03:21:07,279
here four years ago as refugees from
Miami and have really fallen in love

2033
03:21:03,680 --> 03:21:12,000
with the community. Uh my late wife now
uh was a village council member down

2034
03:21:09,680 --> 03:21:18,000
there. And so I have enormous sympathy
for for where you're at. [laughter]

2035
03:21:15,120 --> 03:21:21,614
I've seen this picture only she was on
the city council or village council with

2036
03:21:20,239 --> 03:21:25,680
the place that had a lot of money
[laughter] and made an awful awful lot

2037
03:21:23,680 --> 03:21:30,960
of difference. I really had come here
because I was very very much in support

2038
03:21:28,080 --> 03:21:34,800
of the uh parks and rack and and I I
personally benefit greatly and I have

2039
03:21:33,120 --> 03:21:38,560
made a tremendous number that's where
I've made all of my friends that I have

2040
03:21:36,880 --> 03:21:44,479
here in the community. It's it's a
wonderful place and it's it's utterly

2041
03:21:40,720 --> 03:21:49,439
tragic that we are at this place and I
don't have any immediate solutions. I

2042
03:21:47,600 --> 03:21:55,200
did build my business in Homestead,
Florida, where the great city manager,

2043
03:21:51,200 --> 03:22:01,520
Alex Moxo, was able to extract millions
of dollars in hotel taxes to build a

2044
03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:07,120
huge sports complex and and fund its
operation. Um, I don't know. I don't

2045
03:22:04,960 --> 03:22:10,800
know how he did it. I I'm not even sure
Den County was too happy about it

2046
03:22:09,430 --> 03:22:18,239
[laughter] at the end of the day, but he
was able legally to do it. It was quite

2047
03:22:13,439 --> 03:22:23,520
clever. Uh I [panting] I don't I don't
have guidance to give you. Uh but I I I

2048
03:22:21,920 --> 03:22:28,399
will tell you that I I thought I was
going to rent here for the rest of my

2049
03:22:24,960 --> 03:22:33,279
life. But seeing as a businessman what's
happening in the space industry and this

2050
03:22:30,960 --> 03:22:39,439
community has gone like this based on
the space industry. The space industry

2051
03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:45,120
is doing this right now. I put a bid on
a unit today because I know the value of

2052
03:22:43,040 --> 03:22:49,840
all the stuff I'm writing now is going
like that and it's going to happen

2053
03:22:46,960 --> 03:22:57,680
pretty soon but that's pretty soon is
not soon enough for this situation. So,

2054
03:22:55,520 --> 03:23:04,160
I wish you the best of luck and I wish
there were something I could do to to

2055
03:23:00,160 --> 03:23:08,800
help with this. Um, but I think there
are creative solutions and I begin to

2056
03:23:06,479 --> 03:23:13,520
hear some of them and I would I would
suggest that maybe you reach out to some

2057
03:23:11,120 --> 03:23:18,239
people that are very businessoriented in
the community because what I learned in

2058
03:23:15,760 --> 03:23:23,920
building a company from nothing to 500
plus employees is that all of us are

2059
03:23:20,880 --> 03:23:31,200
always smarter than any of us and there
are so many the only unlimited resource

2060
03:23:27,920 --> 03:23:37,359
we have on earth is human creativity
and I think there there must be a

2061
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:43,520
creative solution rather than what was
described as this this degradation of

2062
03:23:40,640 --> 03:23:48,319
our community. This is a fabulous
wonderful community

2063
03:23:46,319 --> 03:23:54,940
» and and we're just going through a
tragic situation. Thank you so much,

2064
03:23:52,921 --> 03:23:54,940
[applause]

2065
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:59,319
» Beds Rock.

2066
03:24:10,479 --> 03:24:18,466
My name is Betsy Ron and I live at 7048
Civil Court. I've owned this property in

2067
03:24:15,680 --> 03:24:22,239
Cape Canaveral for 14 years.
[clears throat] I watched the last

2068
03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:26,560
budget meeting recording and I'd like to
address some of those items. But first,

2069
03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:31,840
after watching the presentation today, I
have a question that I think the public

2070
03:24:29,120 --> 03:24:36,560
needs to know. If the budget continued
to include all of the expenditures of,

2071
03:24:34,239 --> 03:24:41,439
let's say, this current fiscal year,
plus regain our needed reserve amount,

2072
03:24:39,520 --> 03:24:46,319
what would the needed millage rate need
to be? I think this is information that

2073
03:24:44,319 --> 03:24:51,600
need needs to get out there to the
public because they're seeing the cuts

2074
03:24:49,359 --> 03:24:55,760
at a 4.5,
but what is actually being required of

2075
03:24:53,840 --> 03:25:00,399
us if we want to say we still want
everything we have?

2076
03:24:58,239 --> 03:25:05,840
What would I have to pay? And people
need to know that

2077
03:25:02,560 --> 03:25:10,160
as to uh the prior meeting. I have some
notes here. I'd like to address the

2078
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:14,239
situation with park and wreck. Back when
the C5 was built, the possibility was

2079
03:25:12,479 --> 03:25:19,040
discussed to outsource the building and
have it managed by an entity experienced

2080
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:23,600
in running such a facility. But the city
staff at the time opted to keep it in

2081
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:28,160
house. By so doing, it became the
attitude of residents that this is a

2082
03:25:25,920 --> 03:25:32,640
city benefit that should be free or
cheap. Calling it the community center

2083
03:25:30,880 --> 03:25:37,920
also brought with it the unfortunate
impression to Cocoa Beach residents that

2084
03:25:35,120 --> 03:25:42,960
this was also for their use. Many even
believe that this is under the control

2085
03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:48,160
of the county. For many years, some
board members, the CLS board members,

2086
03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:53,920
continually brought up the issue of the
need for revenue to offset the massive

2087
03:25:50,880 --> 03:26:00,560
expenses. But those concerns did not sit
well with city staff and it was tabled.

2088
03:25:58,080 --> 03:26:05,520
Since this area is a nice to have but
not a ne necessary area of the city to

2089
03:26:03,040 --> 03:26:09,120
manage in hard times, I support the
effort to outsource the buildings to

2090
03:26:07,359 --> 03:26:13,279
have them run by entities that can run
them efficiently and with experience. I

2091
03:26:11,600 --> 03:26:16,399
would hope that at least the C5 and
Nancy Hansen properties could be

2092
03:26:14,720 --> 03:26:20,080
retained by the city and that the
leasing of the property could cover the

2093
03:26:18,080 --> 03:26:23,680
cost of the maintenance. Possibly in the
future things could also change, but

2094
03:26:21,600 --> 03:26:27,840
then tightening our belt, the nice to
have sometimes have to go. Also, there

2095
03:26:26,399 --> 03:26:31,520
was a discussion at the last budget
meeting of scaling back on city

2096
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:35,359
employees benefits. I believe it was
within the last few years that these

2097
03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:39,040
benefits were renegotiated. I would
suggest that some of those benefits

2098
03:26:36,880 --> 03:26:43,040
should be rolled back temporarily. I
worked in the private sector for 40

2099
03:26:40,800 --> 03:26:47,760
years and saw many lean years when the
company had to cut back on benefits or

2100
03:26:45,200 --> 03:26:51,600
increase costs of benefits to employees.
Somehow though, when spending the

2101
03:26:49,279 --> 03:26:55,760
people's money, government employees
never want to vote themselves any

2102
03:26:53,279 --> 03:26:59,760
decreases. They may have paid slightly
less in this city than other communities

2103
03:26:57,600 --> 03:27:04,399
around us, but then we're the smallest
community in the area also. Is it better

2104
03:27:02,080 --> 03:27:08,399
to let more people go just to pad your
own benefits? In lean times, I would

2105
03:27:06,800 --> 03:27:13,200
hope that we have hired dedicated
employees that are willing to do what is

2106
03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:16,439
best for the people in this community.
>> Thank you,

2107
03:27:20,479 --> 03:27:23,800
» Lee Visam.

2108
03:27:29,073 --> 03:27:31,093
» [clears throat]

2109
03:27:34,160 --> 03:27:41,439
» Leadominy, 421 Lincoln Avenue, Cape
Canaveral. I'm a resident. I've been

2110
03:27:39,120 --> 03:27:47,359
here since 1989.
I've been through how did we get the rec

2111
03:27:44,080 --> 03:27:52,160
center? We stood in the ratison. There
was a map. Where would you like these

2112
03:27:49,439 --> 03:27:57,439
makebelieve things? It's just a pretend
thing. My granddaughter was two. She's

2113
03:27:54,720 --> 03:28:02,080
now 18.
It wasn't pretend. We marched forward

2114
03:28:00,160 --> 03:28:06,800
with these goals, with these lofty
goals. There was city council people who

2115
03:28:04,479 --> 03:28:11,680
said, "We can't afford this. What about
the electricity, the air conditioning?"

2116
03:28:09,680 --> 03:28:19,680
It passed.
We are now in dire straits.

2117
03:28:15,920 --> 03:28:25,200
500 may not mean much to you, but if you
have an apartment and your apartment

2118
03:28:21,600 --> 03:28:30,800
building gets a $500 or $1,000, your
rents go up. Your rents, we're

2119
03:28:27,680 --> 03:28:36,880
complaining, we have no
income rents. Well, if our taxes go up,

2120
03:28:34,720 --> 03:28:40,319
so does the rental property. So, there
goes all your workers from all of your

2121
03:28:38,560 --> 03:28:44,720
restaurants. They're moved to Port St.
John. They get jobs over in Port St.

2122
03:28:43,359 --> 03:28:51,200
John.
I feel that let's go back into a line by

2123
03:28:48,399 --> 03:28:57,120
line budget cut. Keep your employees,
but that make them do the deep cuts. We

2124
03:28:54,479 --> 03:29:03,520
could do without something sometimes.
Keep your employees. Have them cut. I

2125
03:29:00,560 --> 03:29:10,880
worked as a teacher. I know how. I did
my budget. We had to go up 10% every

2126
03:29:06,080 --> 03:29:16,239
year. Okay. Our employees right now make
more money than a 10-year teacher at

2127
03:29:14,000 --> 03:29:20,319
start.
Teachers pay for their own benefits. How

2128
03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:25,120
do I know this? My daughter-in-law is a
teacher here in Bvard County. I love my

2129
03:29:23,600 --> 03:29:31,200
city.
I go to at most events and I don't want

2130
03:29:28,319 --> 03:29:35,840
to see take a nose dive. I believe in
this man. He knew he was coming into a

2131
03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:39,680
tough position.
you know that I supported Todd and I

2132
03:29:37,920 --> 03:29:45,680
thought that he was doing a good job.
Obviously, I made an error. However, if

2133
03:29:44,000 --> 03:29:52,080
this is a gentleman that you people
chose to lead our city, let him be a

2134
03:29:48,720 --> 03:29:56,960
leader and take his staff and make them
do the right thing and make the cuts and

2135
03:29:54,640 --> 03:30:03,479
keep each other's jobs. That's what I
would do if I was the leader. Thank you.

2136
03:30:00,239 --> 03:30:03,479
» Thank you.

2137
03:30:07,439 --> 03:30:16,880
Jim Houston.
While Mr. Houston's coming up, anyone

2138
03:30:13,760 --> 03:30:20,960
who spoke earlier as promised, would any
of you like to speak again now that

2139
03:30:18,960 --> 03:30:27,680
we've spoke?
Okay. Dr. Roberts, Al. Okay, great. I'll

2140
03:30:24,319 --> 03:30:32,239
make sure to put your cards. Thank you.
Yes, Mr. Houston.

2141
03:30:28,800 --> 03:30:38,160
» Yeah, Jim Houston. Um 502 Jackson Avenue
past 23 years,

2142
03:30:34,880 --> 03:30:43,760
605 Monroe for about 10 years, 7650
Ridgwood for several years. So I've been

2143
03:30:40,960 --> 03:30:49,760
paying taxes here for a number of years,
close to 40 some years. Tax increases

2144
03:30:47,359 --> 03:30:56,800
don't bother me for what we get for
them. And if you take a look at your

2145
03:30:53,680 --> 03:31:04,880
benchmark millage percentages,
you know, today 4.5, 3.58, 3.2, 25,

2146
03:31:01,120 --> 03:31:11,520
etc., etc., and then look beyond the
back, go look back quite a few years.

2147
03:31:08,800 --> 03:31:16,960
I looked at mine this morning. Starting
with 2015,

2148
03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:21,279
our rate was at 3.47
97.

2149
03:31:18,800 --> 03:31:26,160
It went up as high as 3.955
in 2017,

2150
03:31:23,439 --> 03:31:32,479
you know, and and then uh it stayed up
there with a 3.6 6 3.5 upwards to uh

2151
03:31:30,560 --> 03:31:36,800
2021.
Then we had a few. It's it's like a

2152
03:31:34,080 --> 03:31:45,520
roller coaster. Last year uh it's at
3.2. So having it go up to 4.5 for me is

2153
03:31:42,880 --> 03:31:50,880
I'm willing to pay. It's not a lot of
money. Okay. For me, I'm sure there are

2154
03:31:48,800 --> 03:31:57,840
people out there that that could be a
lot. For me, the increase takes me from

2155
03:31:54,640 --> 03:32:04,319
last year, I think, up 310 bucks. You
know, having said that, for those that

2156
03:32:00,960 --> 03:32:11,359
don't know, Bvard County Property
Appraiser taxes, you can get on a four

2157
03:32:08,479 --> 03:32:18,080
installment, four installment plans per
year payment plan, which is helpful,

2158
03:32:14,720 --> 03:32:21,920
very helpful. I've done it before and um
I don't need to do it now, but uh it

2159
03:32:20,319 --> 03:32:26,319
helped me back when I need it when I
needed it. So, for those that don't

2160
03:32:23,760 --> 03:32:32,640
know, that's a good thing to know. Good
thing to know. I I think um

2161
03:32:31,279 --> 03:32:36,640
let's see if there's anything else for
me to say here.

2162
03:32:34,960 --> 03:32:43,439
That's what I wanted to speak to was the
millage rate, property taxes. Was there

2163
03:32:39,840 --> 03:32:48,080
something else on there, Wes? I forget.
Miller rate and Bvard city property tax

2164
03:32:45,840 --> 03:32:51,359
quarterly payment plan. I think you
nailed it.

2165
03:32:48,560 --> 03:32:57,200
» Yeah, I nailed it. Okay. Um on a side
note real quick um uh to to sub out

2166
03:32:55,040 --> 03:33:03,680
certain services or you know whatever we
talk you talk K talked to it um relative

2167
03:33:00,560 --> 03:33:11,439
to uh you know going out for bids uh
request for proposals very specific

2168
03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:16,160
scopes of work for specific bid packages
is very very important. Having been a

2169
03:33:14,160 --> 03:33:22,080
foreign contractor and involved with the
aerospace business and doing that for 35

2170
03:33:18,479 --> 03:33:28,080
years, very specific specific scope of
work, bib packages, you'll get you

2171
03:33:25,520 --> 03:33:33,120
hopefully you'll get equal bids, you
know, and under the FAR requirements out

2172
03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:34,319
on the port out on the base, the federal
acquisition.

2173
03:33:33,680 --> 03:33:39,207
» Thank you.
>> 10% was where we were looking.

2174
03:33:37,188 --> 03:33:39,207
[applause]

2175
03:33:42,000 --> 03:33:49,080
» Got a new card. Robert, I believe Slain.
Robert, you with us? Thank you.

2176
03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:56,800
» Thank you. Uh, Robert Slain, 605 Manatee
Bay, Cape Canaveral. Uh, first, thank

2177
03:33:54,640 --> 03:34:00,720
you for serving. It's a thankless job.
I've I've done boards before. You're

2178
03:33:59,200 --> 03:34:06,000
never going to please everybody and
you're going to make everybody upset,

2179
03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:10,800
but thank you for your service. Um,
y'all were put in this position by

2180
03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:14,239
consequences of others and you're having
to deal with it. And that's not an easy

2181
03:34:12,479 --> 03:34:21,520
situation.
This is triage at this point. I mean,

2182
03:34:17,359 --> 03:34:27,840
you you've got to spend on what you can,
not what you want to have. We all have

2183
03:34:25,040 --> 03:34:33,120
wants and we all have needs. We fulfill
our needs before we fulfill our wants.

2184
03:34:31,200 --> 03:34:39,600
One person indicated, you know, with
this 4 and a.5% millage rate, maybe we

2185
03:34:36,800 --> 03:34:45,120
can ask our residents to pay a little
more if that's what they want. But

2186
03:34:41,840 --> 03:34:50,960
deciding that for us is not asking us.
That's telling us what we're going to

2187
03:34:47,200 --> 03:34:57,680
do. If you want to ask, put it to a
citywide vote or ask for private

2188
03:34:54,880 --> 03:35:03,120
donations. It's still allowed. The hotel
idea is a good idea if we can come up

2189
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:10,319
with with a a proper way to approach
that. The port idea is a great idea.

2190
03:35:06,399 --> 03:35:15,040
If you want um there's not one single
revenue solution on this. This is a

2191
03:35:13,040 --> 03:35:21,760
multiaceted diamond. You're going to
need it everywhere you can find it. And

2192
03:35:18,479 --> 03:35:28,479
dollars and cents matter every point.
Ultimately, we you have the difficult

2193
03:35:24,960 --> 03:35:33,760
job of figuring out what the plan is to
restore the reserve and how long is that

2194
03:35:31,279 --> 03:35:39,840
going to take. Those are items we still
don't know and they're hard to address,

2195
03:35:36,239 --> 03:35:43,658
but thank you for doing that.
>> Thank you.

2196
03:35:41,639 --> 03:35:43,658
[applause]

2197
03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:51,800
» Okay. Uh Dr. Roberts, please come
forward. Thank you.

2198
03:35:58,000 --> 03:36:03,439
First of all, thank you so much. I
applaud you all for looking at this.

2199
03:36:01,120 --> 03:36:07,359
Staff's done a great job of doing the
analysis and so forth. I really

2200
03:36:05,439 --> 03:36:10,960
appreciate the revenue generation
options that you all are looking at

2201
03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:15,439
because it's it's very creative out of
the box, not normal for us to be looking

2202
03:36:13,040 --> 03:36:20,939
at. And I think there's a huge potential
there for us to modernize our approach

2203
03:36:17,760 --> 03:36:24,160
to the way we are as a city and to
[snorts] really preserve the

2204
03:36:21,840 --> 03:36:30,319
preciousness of our community by looking
at these revenue sources. just extremely

2205
03:36:26,960 --> 03:36:34,319
substantial. Um, as council member
Willis mentioned, other counties are

2206
03:36:32,560 --> 03:36:38,800
dealing with or other municipalities
look dealing with similar challenges and

2207
03:36:36,560 --> 03:36:42,399
they're being very creative and
progressive in the interest of the

2208
03:36:40,800 --> 03:36:48,239
quality of their communities. And I
think Cape Canal is just one and a it's

2209
03:36:45,120 --> 03:36:52,880
the only one in the world that um does
what we do. And I think to preserve the

2210
03:36:50,640 --> 03:36:57,279
specialness of it, it is such a call to
action right now. And I appreciate the

2211
03:36:54,960 --> 03:37:01,680
leadership each of you are offering to
play in doing that to preserve us. It's

2212
03:36:59,920 --> 03:37:06,560
not the easiest road, but it is one that
I think is a timely and much needed role

2213
03:37:04,399 --> 03:37:12,880
as Digs or leadership from council now
to reach out to others that can bring

2214
03:37:08,800 --> 03:37:16,479
resources into us right now. Um, also
Airbnbs, if I could mention short-term

2215
03:37:14,720 --> 03:37:20,800
rentals. I understand that our
comparative fees are are low relative to

2216
03:37:19,520 --> 03:37:25,600
other communities. And I think that's
another opportunity for us to maybe

2217
03:37:23,760 --> 03:37:31,680
preserve the residential quality of our
community and maybe push back on the

2218
03:37:28,239 --> 03:37:35,920
Airbnb community that seems to find our
community very very uh intriguing and

2219
03:37:34,160 --> 03:37:39,359
inviting. So, I just wanted to mention
that. But thank you for your leadership.

2220
03:37:37,600 --> 03:37:43,920
I really respect each one of you for
taking the initiative and reaching out

2221
03:37:41,439 --> 03:37:48,160
to help generate revenues for our city
so it won't be so painful for our

2222
03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:51,920
community and it will protect the pre
preciousness of our community as the

2223
03:37:50,399 --> 03:37:58,080
only one in the world that has this
opportunity. So thank you so much.

2224
03:37:54,960 --> 03:38:04,239
» Thank you [applause]
Al Visa.

2225
03:38:01,200 --> 03:38:11,040
And while Mr. Visadom is coming up, was
there anyone else that I missed?

2226
03:38:08,000 --> 03:38:18,720
Thank you all for for participating.
Very helpful. Mr. Domin, uh 421 Lincoln

2227
03:38:14,560 --> 03:38:23,760
Avenue, uh Cape Canaveral. Um I just I I
think some of everybody wants the same

2228
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:29,600
thing basically. But I think what we
have to the divide is is the fact that

2229
03:38:27,680 --> 03:38:35,920
the city council has to come up with
something within our budget. Our budget

2230
03:38:33,040 --> 03:38:41,040
exploded in the last two or three years
and now we have to pay the price of

2231
03:38:38,319 --> 03:38:46,560
trying to get it back, keep as many of
the facilities and people we have

2232
03:38:43,680 --> 03:38:53,760
working and also shrink this budget down
enough so that we can also get our uh

2233
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:59,920
reserve back. And I have a question for
city council at this 4.5. How much of

2234
03:38:56,479 --> 03:39:07,520
the reserve is going to be put back?
And after after we do this for the next

2235
03:39:03,520 --> 03:39:11,200
year, what what is our projections for
how much more money are we going to have

2236
03:39:08,960 --> 03:39:16,399
to put back into this reserve? Like
basically, how long are we going to have

2237
03:39:13,200 --> 03:39:19,120
to keep all the cuts that we're saying?
Or [clears throat] is it going to be

2238
03:39:17,439 --> 03:39:25,680
something that's ongoing where we're
this is this is it? Or is it and will we

2239
03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:30,160
be ever back to our $30 million budget
or some budget comparable to other small

2240
03:39:28,239 --> 03:39:34,560
cities like us?
That's all I have to say. Thank you.

2241
03:39:32,080 --> 03:39:39,439
» Thank you.
>> Make sure to address that question.

2242
03:39:37,520 --> 03:39:43,279
» With that, that's all the the cards I
have. Please raise your hand if I missed

2243
03:39:41,439 --> 03:39:48,080
you.
If not, thank you again. We're going to

2244
03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:54,239
go ahead and close public participation,
bring it back to the council.

2245
03:39:50,960 --> 03:39:59,760
Yes, Mayor Pro Tim.
>> I had some questions for our city

2246
03:39:56,640 --> 03:40:04,160
attorney on the
on the tourism investment

2247
03:40:02,479 --> 03:40:11,439
district.
So to implement a tourism um investment

2248
03:40:08,080 --> 03:40:18,239
district like Simino has um as council
member Willis mentioned

2249
03:40:13,840 --> 03:40:23,920
um do we have to have that document
written similar to the economic

2250
03:40:20,880 --> 03:40:30,239
opportunity overlay district or would it
be a portion of the economic opportunity

2251
03:40:28,080 --> 03:40:35,520
overlay district that would it be a
separate district or would it be a

2252
03:40:33,200 --> 03:40:38,239
modification of the economic opportunity
overlay district.

2253
03:40:36,560 --> 03:40:41,359
» Okay,
>> I can only give you one example off the

2254
03:40:40,239 --> 03:40:45,359
top of my head,
>> but the Semino County tourist

2255
03:40:43,439 --> 03:40:51,920
improvement district,
>> okay, is a special assessment district.

2256
03:40:48,880 --> 03:40:56,880
My understanding is they do
charge a special assessment. So, a

2257
03:40:55,120 --> 03:41:00,399
special assessment was set up
specifically

2258
03:40:58,560 --> 03:41:07,279
for
hotels, I think, with 60 or more rooms,

2259
03:41:03,439 --> 03:41:13,359
and they pay a certain um dollar amount
per uh per nightly um rental of the

2260
03:41:11,200 --> 03:41:19,120
room. However, it is a special
assessment. It's based on promoting

2261
03:41:17,200 --> 03:41:25,760
additional tourism and providing
additional services related to enhancing

2262
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:31,200
tourism within that special assessment
district and I think they have like an

2263
03:41:28,160 --> 03:41:37,520
advisory board that that was is formed
made up of the hotel owners and um so it

2264
03:41:35,520 --> 03:41:41,520
is a funding mechanism it's for a
specific purpose and that's to enhance

2265
03:41:39,840 --> 03:41:47,040
tourism
>> not to pay just like routine county

2266
03:41:44,239 --> 03:41:48,560
expenses. It's a tourist special
assessment,

2267
03:41:47,840 --> 03:41:53,680
» right?
>> Yeah.

2268
03:41:49,120 --> 03:41:57,439
» So, when you're setting this up, I would
since that's a special assessment and a

2269
03:41:55,680 --> 03:42:03,279
special taxing district, I would think
that you as the city attorney would have

2270
03:41:59,359 --> 03:42:07,120
to set up the special taxing uh district
and then we vote it in and go through

2271
03:42:05,840 --> 03:42:10,000
our hearings on it.
>> There are multiple there would be

2272
03:42:08,399 --> 03:42:14,880
multiple ordinances that would be
involved. There would be a um a study

2273
03:42:12,319 --> 03:42:19,760
involved. It's not going to be unlike
it's a different type of assessment but

2274
03:42:16,960 --> 03:42:22,399
as you know the council directed that we
uh commence exploring a fire assessment

2275
03:42:22,080 --> 03:42:25,760
right
>> right

2276
03:42:23,200 --> 03:42:30,640
» for next fiscal year and that is well
underway now

2277
03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:38,239
» so it's similar and and to that approach
but for a completely different purpose

2278
03:42:34,239 --> 03:42:46,880
» and not um it's not countywide it's only
related to um you know um hotels as my

2279
03:42:43,359 --> 03:42:51,680
So really for this budget that has to be
finalized by September 30th,

2280
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:55,279
this wouldn't bring us anything for this
particular budget, but we would probably

2281
03:42:53,359 --> 03:43:00,319
want to look for look at going forward
with that in order to bring in revenue

2282
03:42:57,840 --> 03:43:06,640
for the next budget. Is that correct?
>> Yes, it would it would be something for

2283
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:12,640
next fiscal year. Um but again, it's a
special assessment. It's a special

2284
03:43:10,160 --> 03:43:16,160
» there's a lot involved in in that um
because it has to be special benefits to

2285
03:43:14,399 --> 03:43:17,439
the property that are that are being
assessed.

2286
03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:22,080
» Okay.
>> So,

2287
03:43:18,319 --> 03:43:27,040
» and since if there's so you can restrict
it to only hotels within that district

2288
03:43:24,720 --> 03:43:31,120
and not the other businesses within that
district since it's a specialist.

2289
03:43:29,439 --> 03:43:35,040
» That's the way they set it up.
>> Okay.

2290
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:40,160
» Okay. My general understanding. But
the city has inherently has special

2291
03:43:38,239 --> 03:43:44,800
assessment authority
>> right to impose special assessments for

2292
03:43:42,720 --> 03:43:49,120
the to recover costs for special
benefits that are provided to real

2293
03:43:46,640 --> 03:43:53,120
property. So they can be set up in a
variety of different ways for a variety

2294
03:43:51,359 --> 03:43:59,040
of purposes
that that authority that authority

2295
03:43:56,160 --> 03:44:04,479
exists generally. That's my
understanding what the county

2296
03:44:01,760 --> 03:44:10,640
relied on in Seinal. It's the general
special assessment legal mechanism

2297
03:44:07,680 --> 03:44:15,920
» for you know for that purpose for their
enhanced tourism and and and imposing a

2298
03:44:13,840 --> 03:44:20,479
special assessment on the hotels,
>> right? So, it wouldn't really more or

2299
03:44:18,160 --> 03:44:26,080
less be a dollar per person unless we
just kind of made an average of what

2300
03:44:23,680 --> 03:44:29,760
that assessment was going to be and
determine what it would be for hotels

2301
03:44:27,840 --> 03:44:35,760
and then charge that. Is that correct?
Or is there a mechanism for billing and

2302
03:44:32,880 --> 03:44:38,640
accounting for where they would be? me.
Yeah. The mechanism on any special

2303
03:44:37,359 --> 03:44:45,359
assessment and we're going to go through
this with the fire assessment is to is

2304
03:44:41,520 --> 03:44:49,359
to like come up with um you know the
special benefit to the property and then

2305
03:44:46,960 --> 03:44:55,760
you have to proportionally allocate the
money that you anticipate costing right

2306
03:44:52,479 --> 03:45:04,399
or imposing to recover costs. So that's
that's that approach. But um you know it

2307
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:07,040
it there's no set methodology for
special assessments.

2308
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:12,399
» Okay.
>> It's just there it is open to some level

2309
03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:18,239
of creativity, but there are legal
requirements on how you impose the the

2310
03:45:15,760 --> 03:45:22,479
the fee of the assessment that you're
trying to recover.

2311
03:45:19,600 --> 03:45:25,920
» Okay. I was curious how that worked with
the accounting and whether it would

2312
03:45:24,000 --> 03:45:29,279
apply to this year's budget which
>> yeah it doesn't apply to it wouldn't

2313
03:45:27,279 --> 03:45:35,120
apply it's too late to set up a special
assessment for this year but that's why

2314
03:45:31,600 --> 03:45:41,439
as I I presented last meeting how
strategically important it was if the

2315
03:45:37,520 --> 03:45:48,000
city was inclined to consider a a fire
assessment we have to go through certain

2316
03:45:43,760 --> 03:45:51,279
steps for which is the to to set up as a
placeholder the collection mechanism

2317
03:45:49,680 --> 03:45:56,399
that you're referring to that collection
mechanism is putting it on non-avalone

2318
03:45:54,080 --> 03:45:59,600
tax, right? And using the tax collector,
right, to to collect that kind of

2319
03:45:58,640 --> 03:46:05,520
revenue.
>> And then with the fire assessment,

2320
03:46:02,560 --> 03:46:10,080
that fire assessment going forward, we
would have a a set bill because we don't

2321
03:46:08,399 --> 03:46:15,199
have our own fire department. We use
Kate Canaveral Fire Department. So that

2322
03:46:12,640 --> 03:46:19,760
assessment will always equal what their
bill is to the city.

2323
03:46:17,439 --> 03:46:24,160
» We talked about that. And um right now
your fire fire assessment I mean the

2324
03:46:21,920 --> 03:46:26,800
fire your fire department is paid
completely out of the general fund

2325
03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:29,600
through millage rate.
>> Okay.

2326
03:46:27,359 --> 03:46:35,359
» Right. So the city is going to explore
next you know in the coming months doing

2327
03:46:32,080 --> 03:46:39,760
a fire assessment that's going to um be
an opportunity to fund the fire

2328
03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:46,399
department a different way. We talked
about at last meeting it could be a

2329
03:46:42,399 --> 03:46:50,319
partial or a full assessment. So, city
might be able to take out a portion of

2330
03:46:48,560 --> 03:46:51,279
the contract price from the millillage
rate.

2331
03:46:50,880 --> 03:46:56,160
» Mhm.
>> Um, and assess or the city could decide,

2332
03:46:54,319 --> 03:47:00,319
city council could decide that the best
thing to do is take the complete

2333
03:46:58,239 --> 03:47:03,199
contract cost of the fire department and
assess it and take it out of the millage

2334
03:47:02,640 --> 03:47:07,199
rate.
>> Okay, perfect.

2335
03:47:04,880 --> 03:47:14,560
» Yeah, that makes sense. And then so on
this special um

2336
03:47:10,479 --> 03:47:20,080
tourism district, taxing district. So,
how many how long do you think that it

2337
03:47:17,840 --> 03:47:26,319
with the fire we had to start in
September to get that going? So, are

2338
03:47:23,279 --> 03:47:30,319
there any special situations that say if
you want to use it next year like this

2339
03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:36,252
one was with the fire assessment that
you all need to get on it soon?

2340
03:47:34,479 --> 03:47:38,271
um
[clears throat]

2341
03:47:38,399 --> 03:47:44,960
not as not I don't think it the urgency
is there as much as it would be for the

2342
03:47:42,640 --> 03:47:49,359
fire because you're talking you're
talking about a limit a limited special

2343
03:47:46,880 --> 03:47:52,880
assessment. So um it's it's something
that the city can stop exploring.

2344
03:47:52,000 --> 03:47:57,600
» Mhm.
>> But it's not I don't think in my mind

2345
03:47:55,199 --> 03:48:03,439
it's not as urgent because fire
assessment applies citywide. So you need

2346
03:48:00,720 --> 03:48:04,880
a collection mechanism to collect
citywide,

2347
03:48:04,399 --> 03:48:10,880
» right?
>> If the city was inclined to do a a

2348
03:48:07,920 --> 03:48:17,199
tourist development district for like
hotels and those types of like uh

2349
03:48:14,160 --> 03:48:22,880
tourism businesses, the the amount of
people to collect from um or businesses

2350
03:48:20,399 --> 03:48:25,840
to collect from is far less than trying
to collect from every property owner in

2351
03:48:24,880 --> 03:48:27,520
the city. So,
>> okay,

2352
03:48:26,479 --> 03:48:31,520
» there [snorts] are other collection
mechanisms to deal with a smaller

2353
03:48:29,520 --> 03:48:35,120
special assessment than nonadvaloom
assessment roles.

2354
03:48:32,800 --> 03:48:39,279
» Okay. And then my last question on this
cuz I wanted to understand this because

2355
03:48:36,960 --> 03:48:46,239
I think it's definitely something we
need to look into. What um if we did

2356
03:48:43,439 --> 03:48:51,279
this as a city, are there any conditions
that we would be bound to

2357
03:48:49,279 --> 03:48:57,120
as far as having to provide any service
or anything different as a city if we

2358
03:48:55,120 --> 03:48:59,680
set this up or is it just we just set it
up and tax them?

2359
03:48:58,080 --> 03:49:04,640
» The the tourist you talking about the
>> Yeah.

2360
03:49:01,359 --> 03:49:11,439
» Yes. The city would have to provide some
special service, not routine services.

2361
03:49:08,479 --> 03:49:16,640
It's it's it's the way Semino County set
it up. It's to provide additional

2362
03:49:13,760 --> 03:49:22,319
services to enhance tourism.
It's not it wasn't set up to recover

2363
03:49:19,359 --> 03:49:28,239
routine expenditures or impacts that
that those um hotels may be having on on

2364
03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:31,520
general infrastructure.
>> We'd have to look at what we're going to

2365
03:49:29,600 --> 03:49:32,800
provide if we were going to use that
tax.

2366
03:49:32,080 --> 03:49:36,479
» Absolutely.
>> Okay. I just wanted to understand what

2367
03:49:34,960 --> 03:49:40,560
we're looking at. I was hoping we can
move that forward quickly, but if it

2368
03:49:38,800 --> 03:49:45,199
won't go till next year, it doesn't go
till next year. So, thank you. That was

2369
03:49:43,199 --> 03:49:47,680
my questions on it.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council member

2370
03:49:46,880 --> 03:49:54,239
Willis.
>> Uh, yes. The special assessment was 1

2371
03:49:50,960 --> 03:50:02,160
point $1.75
uh assessment per available room. I

2372
03:49:57,600 --> 03:50:09,439
spoke with Gui Kuna who set up the
tourism improvement district. And I've

2373
03:50:04,960 --> 03:50:13,760
also reached out to the company that uh
helped [clears throat] them develop the

2374
03:50:11,439 --> 03:50:20,239
tourism improvement district which was
Civotas and I've reached out to the vice

2375
03:50:17,680 --> 03:50:27,279
president of operations based in
California who wrote the plan for them.

2376
03:50:23,359 --> 03:50:32,239
Um [clears throat] yes it uh u would
take a little while to happen but

2377
03:50:29,760 --> 03:50:38,560
according to Mr. Kunha
in Simol County.

2378
03:50:34,720 --> 03:50:45,840
They are not required specifically
on how those funds are dispersed.

2379
03:50:41,680 --> 03:50:51,520
That was his statement to me. Um and
that uh they

2380
03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:56,080
the
special uh the tourism improvement

2381
03:50:53,840 --> 03:51:03,359
district that is set up in Tampa in the
Eore area was limited to just that area,

2382
03:51:00,239 --> 03:51:09,600
but in Daytona Beach it was primarily
throughout. So I think it's worthwhile.

2383
03:51:06,880 --> 03:51:14,640
It may not be an immediate impact, but I
think we should exp uh explore it and

2384
03:51:12,640 --> 03:51:20,800
move forward trying to do something to
get some contributions from our hotels

2385
03:51:17,359 --> 03:51:24,399
and from the port.
If we don't do it now, we're just

2386
03:51:22,640 --> 03:51:29,680
pushing everything back an additional
year. So, [clears throat]

2387
03:51:27,520 --> 03:51:36,560
I'm willing to reach out and discuss it
with the with Civotas and further with

2388
03:51:33,680 --> 03:51:39,800
Simol County and Tampa and Daytona Beach
as well.

2389
03:51:41,680 --> 03:51:49,600
» Excuse me, mayor. How quickly are you
willing to speak to them?

2390
03:51:47,359 --> 03:51:55,279
And and the reason is we would need to
know what such an assessment study would

2391
03:51:52,479 --> 03:52:00,720
cost. Civotas has already offered to
discuss it with me on Monday.

2392
03:51:58,880 --> 03:52:05,359
» Those are So you're you're talking about
making it a this fiscal year project

2393
03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:09,040
like we're doing the fire assessment
>> if we if it's possible.

2394
03:52:07,760 --> 03:52:13,880
» We would definitely need to know a
number.

2395
03:52:09,600 --> 03:52:13,880
» Yes, of course.

2396
03:52:21,680 --> 03:52:25,819
a question on the um [clears throat]

2397
03:52:27,760 --> 03:52:37,199
I didn't clarify the the reoccurring I
had done some math to the point I think

2398
03:52:35,591 --> 03:52:44,960
[clears throat] I did this prior and I I
just found I think when we subtract out

2399
03:52:41,359 --> 03:52:50,160
like in the um I don't have the I guess
I got the original budget that was

2400
03:52:47,120 --> 03:52:55,600
proposed with basically it's actually
below the roll back rate cuz we didn't

2401
03:52:52,399 --> 03:52:58,600
know it at that time slightly less. So,
um,

2402
03:52:58,960 --> 03:53:09,000
is it it looks like the
reoccurring

2403
03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:09,000
revenue

2404
03:53:11,040 --> 03:53:14,040
is

2405
03:53:16,239 --> 03:53:24,479
like if you add up what I'm calling
fees, charges, taxes, the, you know, the

2406
03:53:21,600 --> 03:53:29,279
things that continue, it's about 14 and
a half million

2407
03:53:26,720 --> 03:53:35,359
based on that original rate. And so I'd
probably add 3 million or so cuz the

2408
03:53:32,000 --> 03:53:41,600
that that 4.5 ad valorum so it'd be I
guess 1617

2409
03:53:37,199 --> 03:53:49,520
to your point maybe easier said pull out
the 161,000 in grants

2410
03:53:45,600 --> 03:53:55,600
pull uh remove the
570,000

2411
03:53:51,199 --> 03:54:00,080
in contributions and then remove the
955,000

2412
03:53:57,439 --> 03:54:06,720
in transfers
minus that 18. But I think is that a

2413
03:54:03,520 --> 03:54:15,239
sound like a safe estimate? Basically,
uh 1.6 million from the 18. So to your

2414
03:54:10,800 --> 03:54:15,239
point, the majority is reoccurring.

2415
03:54:18,000 --> 03:54:26,160
I think what's harder to answer is the
is that the expenditures

2416
03:54:23,840 --> 03:54:32,640
should be less CIPs.
That's a really important balance that I

2417
03:54:29,120 --> 03:54:36,399
think the council needs to to know and I
don't think that's an exercise that

2418
03:54:34,399 --> 03:54:41,359
historically if it's like what what are
we doing differently? I think that's

2419
03:54:38,640 --> 03:54:46,720
really important that we can say do the
reoccurring expenses

2420
03:54:44,080 --> 03:54:50,399
or revenues cover the reoccurring
expenses

2421
03:54:48,239 --> 03:54:58,239
because in the past as our city manager
and city director pointed out

2422
03:54:54,160 --> 03:55:05,359
those those the deficits did not appear
to be happening because a grant or a

2423
03:55:01,439 --> 03:55:12,319
contribution or a transfer
would or loan proceed. seeds

2424
03:55:08,239 --> 03:55:21,279
non-reoccurring funds would balance the
budget but the operating and personnel

2425
03:55:18,960 --> 03:55:25,760
that was a problem of not having enough
non-reoccurring revenues for reoccurring

2426
03:55:24,000 --> 03:55:28,560
expenditures
>> is that

2427
03:55:26,880 --> 03:55:33,760
» yes that is correct
>> so I think that's the first major task

2428
03:55:31,920 --> 03:55:41,840
that
I speak for myself to get comfortable

2429
03:55:35,920 --> 03:55:48,880
with because then we we have a a
we have a plan that is sustainable and

2430
03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:54,399
we can begin to
restore the reserves.

2431
03:55:51,520 --> 03:55:57,880
Um
is there any

2432
03:55:58,399 --> 03:56:03,520
knowledge of what those expenses are? I
don't know if you've had enough time or

2433
03:56:02,319 --> 03:56:06,800
if that's something you have to get back
on a future date,

2434
03:56:05,920 --> 03:56:11,600
but
>> um the recurring expenditures for the

2435
03:56:09,120 --> 03:56:14,160
rolled back rate I actually would have
in front of me.

2436
03:56:13,040 --> 03:56:19,279
» Okay.
>> Um because it would it will all change

2437
03:56:16,399 --> 03:56:25,040
depending on the the military because as
the numbers change um then the following

2438
03:56:22,640 --> 03:56:29,439
expenditures would change as well. But
looking in front of uh in front of me I

2439
03:56:26,960 --> 03:56:36,160
have the roll back numbers.
Um

2440
03:56:32,239 --> 03:56:40,239
was this the the June 30th or the the
actual roll back? I guess it would be

2441
03:56:38,880 --> 03:56:46,720
one of these columns in that
spreadsheet.

2442
03:56:43,199 --> 03:56:51,760
Um the the number I'm looking in front
of uh the number I'm looking at in front

2443
03:56:48,960 --> 03:56:54,800
of me is not one of the reports that um
council has.

2444
03:56:53,760 --> 03:56:59,640
Um,
>> okay. But it's the 3.2546.

2445
03:57:00,239 --> 03:57:03,760
» Is that the roll back?
>> Yes, I believe that's the roll back

2446
03:57:02,720 --> 03:57:08,560
number.
>> Okay, that's great. We do have this one

2447
03:57:06,800 --> 03:57:12,319
that you prepared, the big one printed,
but I understand what you're saying. Go

2448
03:57:10,080 --> 03:57:18,880
ahead. Thank you. Um for all of the
budgets um that we have

2449
03:57:15,439 --> 03:57:24,000
» um we do do a snapshot of the general
fund expenditures and it is fairly easy

2450
03:57:22,160 --> 03:57:27,760
if we have that snapshot to just add
personnel and operating.

2451
03:57:25,840 --> 03:57:32,319
» Therefore those are the recurring
expenditures.

2452
03:57:29,600 --> 03:57:39,359
Um
and those combined are about 14 million

2453
03:57:35,520 --> 03:57:43,120
slightly over 14 million at um the
rolled back rate.

2454
03:57:42,239 --> 03:57:46,960
» Okay.
>> Um

2455
03:57:45,199 --> 03:57:51,040
but I would also add that that will
change as the revenue changes because we

2456
03:57:49,040 --> 03:57:54,800
match the expenditures to the the
revenue. I think it would be more it

2457
03:57:53,199 --> 03:58:00,960
would be better to Matt to find the
recurring revenues and then base the

2458
03:57:56,720 --> 03:58:09,040
expenditures off the recurring revenues.
Okay. So total expenditures on that roll

2459
03:58:05,439 --> 03:58:15,680
back rate according to this uh revenue
and expenditure history report is

2460
03:58:11,600 --> 03:58:22,000
showing 16,400,000.
And if it's a little over 14, that means

2461
03:58:20,080 --> 03:58:26,800
there's about two and a half million of
non-reoccurring expenditures.

2462
03:58:25,120 --> 03:58:33,279
Rough numbers
>> about and also one thing to point out is

2463
03:58:30,640 --> 03:58:38,080
it depends how we define a recurring
because we do do a transfer to the CRA

2464
03:58:36,160 --> 03:58:44,080
and that is recurring
>> for I believe the next 20 or 15 years as

2465
03:58:41,840 --> 03:58:49,520
the CRA exists. that will recur for the
next 15 years. So if we include that,

2466
03:58:46,720 --> 03:58:53,359
that'll add however much that would be
and that does change as the mill rate

2467
03:58:51,840 --> 03:59:01,040
changes.
Um I understand that. I think it that's

2468
03:58:56,880 --> 03:59:07,760
a a reality that we need to know. Um and
maybe it's separate. uh but but it it is

2469
03:59:05,120 --> 03:59:13,920
reliable if the the rate is right and
the transfer can support it adequately

2470
03:59:11,920 --> 03:59:19,520
in the
4 and 12 mil. So we don't really know

2471
03:59:17,199 --> 03:59:26,640
yet what the reoccurring expenditures
for the 4.5 millillage would be. We know

2472
03:59:23,040 --> 03:59:29,640
that the revenues are about 17
and

2473
03:59:31,920 --> 03:59:41,840
the presentation was heavily focused on
personnel. Our city manager spoke about

2474
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:44,840
making reductions in non-personnel.
Um,

2475
03:59:45,279 --> 03:59:55,120
do we have uh just a basic overview or
or summary or total of how many

2476
03:59:52,720 --> 04:00:00,760
non-personnel with the total
non-personnel reductions were in

2477
03:59:57,760 --> 04:00:00,760
expenditures?

2478
04:00:02,880 --> 04:00:06,680
» Can you clarify non-personnel?

2479
04:00:07,199 --> 04:00:14,800
» Yeah. Operating supplies, materials.
>> Oh, nonperson. I got you.

2480
04:00:11,279 --> 04:00:21,199
» Yeah, just basically not anything that
they they might be reoccurring.

2481
04:00:17,279 --> 04:00:25,840
Um, printer, ink, promotional
activities, those things.

2482
04:00:23,680 --> 04:00:29,040
» Yeah. Um, so I'm looking at the
difference in front of me. Operating

2483
04:00:27,439 --> 04:00:35,279
expenditures
from um the 4.5 to the roll back rate

2484
04:00:33,120 --> 04:00:39,399
roll back rolled back rate went down
almost $400,000.

2485
04:00:42,720 --> 04:00:48,319
uh and operating does not include the
personnel.

2486
04:00:47,040 --> 04:00:56,680
» Correct. Yes.
>> So the 4.5 has 18.8

2487
04:00:52,720 --> 04:00:56,680
million in expenditures

2488
04:00:56,720 --> 04:01:05,279
» I believe. So,
>> and you just helped share that we would

2489
04:01:03,199 --> 04:01:12,960
reduce
400,000 to go down to the roll back rate

2490
04:01:10,160 --> 04:01:17,680
» in uh specific in operating not
including personnel

2491
04:01:14,720 --> 04:01:24,319
» um from that 4.5 rate which had I think
yeah the 18 um 8 I believe.

2492
04:01:23,520 --> 04:01:29,120
» Mhm.
>> The Yeah. 18.8 8 million to the rolled

2493
04:01:27,439 --> 04:01:34,800
back rate which the new budget would
balance at about 16 million. Um to get

2494
04:01:32,800 --> 04:01:39,279
there we did reduce the operating
expenditures

2495
04:01:36,880 --> 04:01:43,479
um by
by almost 400,000.

2496
04:01:44,399 --> 04:01:53,439
» And do we know what the personnel
reductions totaled to that same rate?

2497
04:01:50,800 --> 04:01:57,960
Um, yes, but it'll take me a second to
pull up that um that spreadsheet.

2498
04:01:58,319 --> 04:02:09,760
» Okay. I think um
and we're talking from 4.5 to

2499
04:02:06,399 --> 04:02:15,840
to roll back. There are and should be
recognized the original budget had 20

2500
04:02:12,560 --> 04:02:22,160
million in total
expenditures reoccurring non-reoccurring

2501
04:02:18,239 --> 04:02:28,080
operating personnel and so
there's been through a variety of ways

2502
04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:32,720
reductions there
and yeah I think it does make sense to

2503
04:02:30,319 --> 04:02:39,520
focus on where we are at this trim rate
and um

2504
04:02:36,160 --> 04:02:46,080
uh to
so are there any other I guess is

2505
04:02:42,239 --> 04:02:51,040
talking about non-personnel expenses
what

2506
04:02:47,840 --> 04:02:58,000
what remains
and are there any

2507
04:02:54,080 --> 04:03:02,120
opportunities to reduce meaningfully any
non personnel

2508
04:03:03,040 --> 04:03:06,560
just as an example I

2509
04:03:07,359 --> 04:03:18,160
at the 4.5 mil.
>> Um I would say um I would say no at this

2510
04:03:15,279 --> 04:03:23,199
point we've reduced it as much as we can
um because it to take even a step back

2511
04:03:20,399 --> 04:03:28,479
how we looked at this whole um kind of
cutting process

2512
04:03:24,800 --> 04:03:33,840
» is from three three categories capital
operating and then personnel.

2513
04:03:30,640 --> 04:03:37,840
» Okay. in that order from easiest to to
to hardest in order to cut capital.

2514
04:03:36,000 --> 04:03:43,040
We've moved out a lot of capital. Then
we looked at our operating expenditures,

2515
04:03:40,000 --> 04:03:46,399
moved out many operating expenditures.
And then when we had nothing else to

2516
04:03:44,640 --> 04:03:52,960
save, that is when we started looking at
personnel.

2517
04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:57,760
Um so personnel is our last um option to
look at.

2518
04:03:55,439 --> 04:04:03,359
And to make the budget balance at this
point, we do have to release a good

2519
04:04:00,560 --> 04:04:06,359
amount of personnel to to balance a
budget.

2520
04:04:09,600 --> 04:04:19,000
Okay. Thank you. the um
just a second here on the

2521
04:04:21,439 --> 04:04:31,920
the slide that shows that 4 and 1/2 mil
basically where we are still eliminated

2522
04:04:27,920 --> 04:04:35,479
10 perka positions
parks and rec

2523
04:04:36,000 --> 04:04:46,600
facility operations
city events and their services.

2524
04:04:43,600 --> 04:04:46,600
So

2525
04:04:46,960 --> 04:04:54,640
what does I get the slide that what does
that actually preserve at at 4 and a

2526
04:04:53,840 --> 04:04:59,040
half mil?
>> I'd like to take that. So it preserves

2527
04:04:56,720 --> 04:05:03,760
five positions in parka. Mhm.
>> We will not be running the facilities,

2528
04:05:01,120 --> 04:05:08,880
but those those positions that are
remaining will be able to continue to

2529
04:05:06,720 --> 04:05:13,920
maintain those facilities, the grounds
that are relevant to those facilities

2530
04:05:11,520 --> 04:05:18,960
and two additional staff, the director
and another staffer to be able to

2531
04:05:15,600 --> 04:05:24,000
maintain all of the media, all of the
facility lease agreements. Um, if we're

2532
04:05:21,760 --> 04:05:27,520
not going to operate the facilities, but
we're going to lease them out,

2533
04:05:25,439 --> 04:05:31,760
somebody's going to have to manage that
process.

2534
04:05:28,800 --> 04:05:36,920
who occupies them, maintaining that,
overseeing those facilities. From that

2535
04:05:33,920 --> 04:05:36,920
standpoint,

2536
04:05:37,040 --> 04:05:45,840
if we go below 4.5, then we, as the the
next millage rate indicates, if we fall

2537
04:05:42,800 --> 04:05:49,439
somewhere between 4.5 and 3.5,
then we're going to have to really go

2538
04:05:47,439 --> 04:05:57,120
come back to you with, well, at this
point, what employee stays and and what

2539
04:05:52,000 --> 04:06:01,600
goes to be able to maintain that minimum
level of affiliation with those

2540
04:05:59,600 --> 04:06:08,239
facilities.
Today the perka pos yeah yeah this slide

2541
04:06:04,640 --> 04:06:15,439
is perfect thank you is uh current 15
positions

2542
04:06:11,040 --> 04:06:24,000
is what is the millage rate to Miss
Ron's statement just in perka that would

2543
04:06:20,319 --> 04:06:33,520
be required to not lose 10 positions cuz
the 4.5 mil is like a 45% tax increase

2544
04:06:31,040 --> 04:06:38,080
And so how much more would we have to
increase taxes to add those to keep the

2545
04:06:36,720 --> 04:06:41,359
10 positions?
>> That'll take us a moment to calculate. I

2546
04:06:40,080 --> 04:06:50,560
believe for Go ahead.
>> I have some round numbers. Um around

2547
04:06:44,880 --> 04:06:56,640
six, a millage rate of six would um
would balance the budget.

2548
04:06:53,920 --> 04:07:01,439
Um because our original our original
deficit was 4 million.

2549
04:06:58,239 --> 04:07:08,960
» Mhm. So, in order to make up 4 million,
we'd have to have a mill rate of six.

2550
04:07:05,359 --> 04:07:14,399
» And to also answer the question, um,
what would it take to to balance a

2551
04:07:11,279 --> 04:07:19,120
budget and get the reserves we need? If
the reserves were around 3 million, then

2552
04:07:17,120 --> 04:07:23,840
we would need the the 4 million to
balance the budget plus the 3 million to

2553
04:07:21,520 --> 04:07:31,600
build the reserves for a total of 7
million. So a millage rate around eight

2554
04:07:27,040 --> 04:07:33,760
would give us around $7 million.
>> Mayor, if I can interject.

2555
04:07:33,040 --> 04:07:40,239
» Yeah.
>> If you're whenever you decide if now's

2556
04:07:36,800 --> 04:07:44,399
the time or in the future to talk about
coming in with a millage rate higher

2557
04:07:41,840 --> 04:07:49,120
than 4.5, we're going to have to talk
about what that notification to the

2558
04:07:46,800 --> 04:07:53,439
community would look like because
they've already received their notices

2559
04:07:51,279 --> 04:07:59,120
at 4.5.
And um

2560
04:07:55,520 --> 04:08:05,520
we're not exactly sure that we can meet
meet the requirements and fulfill state

2561
04:08:02,000 --> 04:08:10,319
statute with um the meetings that we
have to have in September. Preliminary

2562
04:08:08,000 --> 04:08:15,279
review of that indicates that you would
have to make a decision tonight most

2563
04:08:12,319 --> 04:08:18,160
likely and we would have to immediately
notice the community of a millage rate

2564
04:08:17,120 --> 04:08:22,560
higher than what they've already
received in the mail.

2565
04:08:20,880 --> 04:08:27,359
But the attorney can weigh in on that a
little bit better.

2566
04:08:23,680 --> 04:08:34,800
» No, I think I was just I understand and
I think that we when we adopted the trim

2567
04:08:31,520 --> 04:08:42,040
as a ceiling, we knew it might be
burdensome to try and go around that. I

2568
04:08:38,239 --> 04:08:42,040
wanted to just understand

2569
04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:51,840
that at the 45% tax increase
still loses 10 employees.

2570
04:08:50,000 --> 04:08:56,160
I mean, that would be the biggest tax
increase I think that this city's ever

2571
04:08:54,239 --> 04:09:00,840
done, if not the largest. And we're
saying we'd have to go

2572
04:09:02,399 --> 04:09:10,880
100% higher or I mean, and then when we
talk about sustainability,

2573
04:09:08,880 --> 04:09:15,600
everything in here, none of these are
CIPs. These are all reoccurring

2574
04:09:13,279 --> 04:09:22,080
expenditures.
And I think parks and w

2575
04:09:19,359 --> 04:09:27,920
400 500,000
prior to the expansions.

2576
04:09:25,359 --> 04:09:33,359
It's kind of everything reasonably if it
was 6 or 700,000.

2577
04:09:30,399 --> 04:09:38,199
I think in here we're looking at well
currently like 1.6 million.

2578
04:09:39,439 --> 04:09:49,760
And maybe that's another way to ask,
does 1.6 6 million cover parks and wreck

2579
04:09:47,600 --> 04:09:54,680
for this upcoming year. I guess I could
go to the perka total

2580
04:09:59,040 --> 04:10:10,080
community affairs. Okay. So, I'm seeing
Well, it's not totaled up here, but I

2581
04:10:07,520 --> 04:10:14,960
I know it's in our budget book. If we if
you get the total before me. Um, that's

2582
04:10:13,439 --> 04:10:20,279
works.
I'm I'm seeing perka.

2583
04:10:21,120 --> 04:10:29,680
It was like 730,000
in 2021.

2584
04:10:26,960 --> 04:10:37,040
Then it went to 1.1
million in 22. Then it went to 1.3

2585
04:10:33,359 --> 04:10:41,359
million in 23.
And now this does include I think some

2586
04:10:39,520 --> 04:10:50,000
CIPs in there. So that's just not
personnel. But then 2.1 million and 24

2587
04:10:45,760 --> 04:10:58,479
and we're at 1.5 million25
at um I've got 1.7 million for this

2588
04:10:54,319 --> 04:11:05,279
current year with CIPs
and uh

2589
04:11:01,600 --> 04:11:10,319
1.258 258 with
just personnel

2590
04:11:06,880 --> 04:11:17,080
» one point for this 20 proposed year. So
1.677

2591
04:11:12,239 --> 04:11:17,080
million keeps all 15 employees

2592
04:11:17,920 --> 04:11:28,319
with as mayor pro Tim Jackson said 1.2
of it being personnel and so the other

2593
04:11:25,680 --> 04:11:33,920
400,000 I think would be operating
supplies and maybe some CIPs and stuff.

2594
04:11:31,439 --> 04:11:38,160
Is that right?
>> Yeah. Comparing um to the current fiscal

2595
04:11:36,720 --> 04:11:44,399
year we're in right now,
>> the total parks and wreck budget that

2596
04:11:40,479 --> 04:11:48,800
was budgeted for is um a little over 1.7
million

2597
04:11:45,600 --> 04:11:57,640
» based on 1.2 million of personnel and
about 500,000 of operating expenditures

2598
04:11:53,040 --> 04:11:57,640
and about 70,000 in capital.

2599
04:11:58,080 --> 04:12:02,439
So not so the

2600
04:12:02,800 --> 04:12:09,199
» so pretty much all that's reoccurring
expenditures

2601
04:12:06,160 --> 04:12:13,359
» the personnel plus the operating
>> um and not including the capital. So the

2602
04:12:11,760 --> 04:12:17,800
personnel and the operating add up to
about 1.7 million

2603
04:12:18,640 --> 04:12:28,880
personnel and operating al reoccurring
overhead I guess is another one right

2604
04:12:26,960 --> 04:12:31,880
1.7 million.
>> Mhm.

2605
04:12:34,319 --> 04:12:44,279
and a six mill
up from a 4.5 would cover that. Uh

2606
04:12:44,319 --> 04:12:49,279
» um I I would need some time to calculate
that.

2607
04:12:47,040 --> 04:12:54,000
» That's okay. I think similar to council
member Willis asked previously because

2608
04:12:52,160 --> 04:13:00,080
in our city manager pointed there's
three millage rates that are pointed and

2609
04:12:57,120 --> 04:13:04,800
they're they're just guides. It's not
saying pick one of the three. Thank you

2610
04:13:02,000 --> 04:13:12,880
for for making that clear. But to be
able to just quantify like what.1 mil

2611
04:13:09,439 --> 04:13:19,760
does like what's the value of 0.1 mil
and you know times 10 would be 1 mil. I

2612
04:13:16,640 --> 04:13:24,920
think that would
that would be helpful. Um,

2613
04:13:32,720 --> 04:13:35,840
» okay.
>> Mr. Mayor.

2614
04:13:35,120 --> 04:13:42,080
» Yep.
>> On the

2615
04:13:37,920 --> 04:13:48,560
um on the C5 personnel services.
>> Mhm. [clears throat] It would also be

2616
04:13:43,439 --> 04:13:55,040
helpful for me if we knew what just that
building and providing the services for

2617
04:13:51,439 --> 04:14:02,159
that looks like on a as far as personnel
costs simply because if we decided to

2618
04:13:58,640 --> 04:14:07,359
lease it and we and we negotiated
um a contract with a vendor, the way

2619
04:14:05,120 --> 04:14:12,720
that things normally work when you do
that with in the in the enterprise

2620
04:14:10,399 --> 04:14:17,920
business in corporate America America is
you make sure your employees are taken

2621
04:14:15,279 --> 04:14:22,720
care of where they're not let go. They
move over to the with whoever's

2622
04:14:19,920 --> 04:14:29,120
providing that service. Then they manage
their, you know, ability to keep those

2623
04:14:26,000 --> 04:14:34,640
people and they manage and pay them. And
that would at least protect the people

2624
04:14:31,680 --> 04:14:38,880
in that facility if we decided to lease,
but it would also reduce the employee

2625
04:14:36,960 --> 04:14:43,840
costs if we did it that way and
negotiate it into the contract.

2626
04:14:42,080 --> 04:14:48,399
I have the answer to that.
>> Thank you, Molly.

2627
04:14:45,520 --> 04:14:52,479
» So, with roughly the current structure,
you're at about 250,000.

2628
04:14:51,199 --> 04:14:58,080
» Okay.
>> And what is that for the 250?

2629
04:14:55,359 --> 04:15:02,800
» That's a facility manager.
>> That is a programs and facility

2630
04:15:00,080 --> 04:15:06,720
assistant, two part-time wck leaders,
and one full-time wck leader, which is

2631
04:15:05,680 --> 04:15:11,439
very lean.
>> Would you give me those those again? And

2632
04:15:09,600 --> 04:15:14,880
see, that's good to know if it's lean.
We need to know that because we need to

2633
04:15:13,040 --> 04:15:18,319
know how it impacts. Will you tell me
those again? I'm sorry I'm writing this.

2634
04:15:16,880 --> 04:15:23,279
» A facility manager.
>> Okay.

2635
04:15:19,279 --> 04:15:28,840
» A program and facility assistant,
>> two part-time wck leaders, and one

2636
04:15:25,199 --> 04:15:28,840
full-time WCK leader.

2637
04:15:35,040 --> 04:15:41,520
» I didn't get it [laughter] all. I write
slow. That's why I top everything.

2638
04:15:39,520 --> 04:15:43,520
Tell me that one more time, Molly. I'm
sorry.

2639
04:15:41,920 --> 04:15:48,960
» Where did Where did you leave off?
>> I got facility manager, program manager,

2640
04:15:46,319 --> 04:15:53,040
program assistant,
>> two part-time wck leaders.

2641
04:15:50,640 --> 04:15:54,960
» Two part-time recreck leaders. Okay.
>> One full-time WCK leader.

2642
04:15:54,479 --> 04:16:00,479
» Okay.
>> And that is lean.

2643
04:15:56,399 --> 04:16:06,080
» Okay. But I mean, that helps us to know
as you're looking at that, you know,

2644
04:16:03,120 --> 04:16:11,840
because
helps to know. Oh, I've I've been

2645
04:16:08,479 --> 04:16:16,080
actively working on what proposals would
look like

2646
04:16:13,120 --> 04:16:20,159
» for such organizations to to consider us
or entities to consider us. So, I have

2647
04:16:18,800 --> 04:16:25,520
it broken down
>> as far as that goes. I just I just want

2648
04:16:23,040 --> 04:16:30,800
to make sure that we're looking at it on
you know with

2649
04:16:27,920 --> 04:16:36,960
as we're talking about those
that staff's salaries that we're looking

2650
04:16:33,680 --> 04:16:43,359
at that and it what kind of savings if
anything we might find you know so thank

2651
04:16:40,560 --> 04:16:47,920
you that helps me
>> give it back to you Mr. Mayor.

2652
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:53,199
» No I think we're just working working
through it. Uh the big one for me is

2653
04:16:50,399 --> 04:16:59,600
those reoccurring revenues. Do we have a
balanced budget at 4.5 with reoccurring

2654
04:16:56,880 --> 04:17:06,159
revenues and reoccurring expenditures?
And then every at least the two other

2655
04:17:02,239 --> 04:17:11,840
options. Um are those balanced?
Um I think

2656
04:17:09,439 --> 04:17:18,000
then if we know whether it's 0.1 mill or
a mill 1 mil if that's easier that's

2657
04:17:15,279 --> 04:17:23,960
fine. We can divide by 10. but being
able to then adjust that revenue

2658
04:17:20,960 --> 04:17:23,960
accordingly.

2659
04:17:26,479 --> 04:17:37,279
» Um yeah, we do have a balanced budget at
4.5 and and um the other levels

2660
04:17:33,439 --> 04:17:41,279
presented as well with recurring to uh
revenues and expenditures. We do not

2661
04:17:39,359 --> 04:17:48,479
plan on
um having any loss of money with these

2662
04:17:44,479 --> 04:17:48,479
budgets as planned.

2663
04:17:50,399 --> 04:18:02,199
Okay.
As far as um you know ideas, I think

2664
04:17:56,000 --> 04:18:02,199
talked about them I absolutely on um

2665
04:18:02,399 --> 04:18:12,239
tourism, the port, all of that. I think
those are uh really good opportunities.

2666
04:18:08,720 --> 04:18:16,800
and obviously elections and there's
uh new commissioners in there which was

2667
04:18:14,239 --> 04:18:22,800
a bit of a pause just for me and I think
we're going to we're we're in it now and

2668
04:18:18,560 --> 04:18:27,120
heading in and could present a a better
opportunity. We'll see. That's obviously

2669
04:18:24,720 --> 04:18:32,399
they're on board and authority there.
Um, but I sense that they wanted to be

2670
04:18:30,640 --> 04:18:36,880
more involved in the community.
>> Mhm.

2671
04:18:33,439 --> 04:18:42,479
» As opposed to tunnel vision on tourism
and cruise

2672
04:18:39,199 --> 04:18:48,800
traffic and um obviously very successful
there, but Cape Canaveral carries a lot

2673
04:18:45,120 --> 04:18:53,520
of that. And so those things I think are
really good and absolutely could be

2674
04:18:51,840 --> 04:18:59,439
substantially
positive.

2675
04:18:55,920 --> 04:19:03,000
the as far as expenditures. I mean,
we've talked about

2676
04:19:04,479 --> 04:19:16,399
the it is I guess just take a step back.
It is not my hope or desire to

2677
04:19:13,153 --> 04:19:21,520
[snorts] close um anything in parks and
wreck.

2678
04:19:18,080 --> 04:19:29,760
Now, how we keep it open is the things I
think we're talking about that

2679
04:19:25,680 --> 04:19:38,960
that seems to be something sustainable.
And as you said, Mayor Pro Tim, um if

2680
04:19:34,800 --> 04:19:43,520
the current team was able to transition
under like whether it's an operating

2681
04:19:41,199 --> 04:19:48,960
lease and some of the things very happy
to hear looking into that

2682
04:19:46,399 --> 04:19:54,640
because we did bring that up in the past
and um that was before Molly was the the

2683
04:19:52,000 --> 04:20:01,120
director and it sort of grew and grew
and uh here we are and I think we we see

2684
04:19:57,920 --> 04:20:06,080
that reserves reserves with two years of
operating expenses alone are

2685
04:20:03,279 --> 04:20:13,760
replenished. We have to reserve it. But
I don't

2686
04:20:07,840 --> 04:20:17,680
I don't want to do that. I think to
recap some of the things that we've

2687
04:20:15,359 --> 04:20:22,080
discussed, one of the things is first of
all kind of breaking it down the splash

2688
04:20:20,239 --> 04:20:27,600
pad.
The splash pad is

2689
04:20:24,880 --> 04:20:32,479
a hit in the community. People really
like the splash pad. I drive, that's my

2690
04:20:30,000 --> 04:20:40,640
street. I drive by, you see happy
people, and I mean, priceless. That is

2691
04:20:36,800 --> 04:20:45,040
uh a really nice thing to see in Cape
Canaveral. Families and I've had old

2692
04:20:43,040 --> 04:20:48,880
high school friends that don't live
don't even live here like, "Oh my gosh,

2693
04:20:46,560 --> 04:20:53,120
came out to Cape Canaveral. I got it's
just drive by on any nice day." And boy,

2694
04:20:51,439 --> 04:20:59,040
that was tough getting it operating. And
so today, it's uh it is really a

2695
04:20:55,920 --> 04:21:04,640
success. The the hard reality is our
director said the overhead to maintain

2696
04:21:01,520 --> 04:21:07,439
it 72,000 I think you said roughly
>> 64

2697
04:21:05,840 --> 04:21:11,840
» and that's roughly
>> that's for daily tests and coming in and

2698
04:21:10,080 --> 04:21:15,840
making sure just like a pool
>> just like a public pool that that that's

2699
04:21:14,080 --> 04:21:21,600
all the legal requirements and when we
put that out to bid with our current

2700
04:21:18,399 --> 04:21:28,080
vendor he came in more than 40 thou
$40,000 lower than the next closest one.

2701
04:21:24,960 --> 04:21:32,319
Wow. And that next closest one had zero
experience with splash pads and admitted

2702
04:21:30,800 --> 04:21:37,600
that and said they were just going to
give it a whirl.

2703
04:21:34,319 --> 04:21:43,279
» And they're two different beasts.
>> And is that a licensed profession or

2704
04:21:40,399 --> 04:21:50,159
some credential to Okay.
>> So the I'm using this as an example.

2705
04:21:46,319 --> 04:21:54,000
It's highly used uh just from a an
amenity standpoint.

2706
04:21:52,399 --> 04:21:57,920
very different than our shuffle board
courts, right? It's reality of every

2707
04:21:56,239 --> 04:22:04,159
park in every community, but that's
being used. And so when I talk about

2708
04:22:00,560 --> 04:22:09,760
level of service and and impact and
loss,

2709
04:22:06,239 --> 04:22:14,399
um I can see that I can see, you know,
that that those things aren't happening.

2710
04:22:12,640 --> 04:22:19,359
But
because it's popular, because it gets

2711
04:22:17,359 --> 04:22:25,840
foot traffic,
I think it was council member Shyak said

2712
04:22:22,399 --> 04:22:31,520
sponsorship naming rights on an annual
basis. I think um

2713
04:22:29,520 --> 04:22:37,840
Health First
uh any Blue Origin, SpaceX,

2714
04:22:35,760 --> 04:22:44,159
uh
Orlando [clears throat] Health is very

2715
04:22:39,680 --> 04:22:49,760
involved in Parish Medical Center. Not
you could could we

2716
04:22:47,120 --> 04:22:54,399
create an opportunity? I mean, because
for them, I don't I'm not sure the

2717
04:22:51,520 --> 04:23:00,080
hotels would be in like we're not their
target market. We're not buying hotels

2718
04:22:57,439 --> 04:23:05,600
typically, but you know, the the space
industry wants a good name in the

2719
04:23:02,000 --> 04:23:11,040
community obviously all the way down to
your small local Cape Canaveral

2720
04:23:07,600 --> 04:23:17,920
businesses. This would take some time,
but could we design a sponsorship

2721
04:23:13,520 --> 04:23:22,239
package and test it and state here
annually just like we did, which is

2722
04:23:20,560 --> 04:23:27,439
awesome. I don't know if the folks know,
but our city staff with the sea oats,

2723
04:23:25,600 --> 04:23:31,680
» we used to they used to be a line item
in our general fund. It was like 10.

2724
04:23:29,120 --> 04:23:38,000
They're like a dollar well $2 a piece,
but 15 20,000. And we have a sponsor now

2725
04:23:35,760 --> 04:23:43,120
who who funds the seats. And it makes
sense because it's a very positive,

2726
04:23:40,560 --> 04:23:49,760
recognizable thing that a lot of people
see. So I I love those creative ideas as

2727
04:23:47,439 --> 04:23:52,560
as you brought up. So
>> to be clear, mayor, we had a sponsor

2728
04:23:51,600 --> 04:23:56,000
this year.
>> We do have one.

2729
04:23:53,600 --> 04:24:01,199
» Well, no, we had a sponsor this year. We
don't have a sponsor every year for

2730
04:23:57,680 --> 04:24:07,840
CEOs. We're working on that. And and to
your point, um those would have to be we

2731
04:24:04,479 --> 04:24:13,760
would have to make those contractual and
to simulate as much of a reoccurring

2732
04:24:10,720 --> 04:24:19,279
feel as we could sponsor it for x many
years per contract. um so that it can

2733
04:24:16,560 --> 04:24:24,479
stay running until such time as maybe um
aderm taxes could pay for it or some

2734
04:24:21,520 --> 04:24:28,640
other means. But I just I just want to
clarify. Are we talking about doing this

2735
04:24:26,720 --> 04:24:36,840
now or are we talking about the future
in future fiscal years? Um well [sighs]

2736
04:24:32,479 --> 04:24:36,840
well okay so

2737
04:24:38,000 --> 04:24:47,359
if it's $1.6 $6 million to fund uh one
fiscal year. Well, that's what we have

2738
04:24:44,560 --> 04:24:51,040
budgeted to basically all parks and w
everyone

2739
04:24:49,199 --> 04:24:55,680
all employees
are here most importantly because of

2740
04:24:53,279 --> 04:25:02,080
them. The service level is where it is
today, right? That's

2741
04:24:58,080 --> 04:25:08,159
that's what I'm hearing. Um,
I don't know how long it takes, but to

2742
04:25:05,199 --> 04:25:14,239
me, and please if if I'm off on
anything, it would seem

2743
04:25:11,520 --> 04:25:21,439
the when would be answered of how long
would it take to design

2744
04:25:17,199 --> 04:25:27,439
um the sponsor package.
Uh I [clears throat] think it's a

2745
04:25:23,279 --> 04:25:32,399
full-time job. So in the remaining but
and then go out work internally city

2746
04:25:30,560 --> 04:25:36,479
attorney would probably have a role. I
think he might have some experience and

2747
04:25:34,159 --> 04:25:42,880
or observe this in other communities
where corporate sponsorships get

2748
04:25:39,120 --> 04:25:50,000
involved and the
the sooner the better. I think uh when

2749
04:25:47,279 --> 04:25:56,720
we say this year, we're in about a month
away from the fiscal year.

2750
04:25:53,600 --> 04:26:02,640
And one uh
idea, right, was was the the splash pad,

2751
04:26:00,720 --> 04:26:09,120
but
the could fit under that umbrella under

2752
04:26:05,680 --> 04:26:15,840
the same person, community affairs type
person engagement um whomever our

2753
04:26:12,720 --> 04:26:21,600
administration believes. But uh
repeating that same logic and thinking

2754
04:26:18,800 --> 04:26:26,560
okay where else is high foot traffic the
visibility would actually be desired by

2755
04:26:23,840 --> 04:26:32,399
a sponsor and it's a continuous annual
expense as our beach crossovers.

2756
04:26:29,760 --> 04:26:37,120
How many people step across? Does the
space industry want to know that this is

2757
04:26:34,640 --> 04:26:43,279
the only beachfront convenient
accessible space viewing area and we got

2758
04:26:40,399 --> 04:26:49,680
17 of them not including Cherryown Park.
We used to do sponsor of the boardwalks

2759
04:26:46,000 --> 04:26:57,120
and having some sort of sponsorship
annually that this boardwalk is

2760
04:26:53,600 --> 04:27:02,239
sponsored by. Um if they donate to Sea
Oats maybe to hence a little wood

2761
04:26:59,279 --> 04:27:08,640
natural less signs better but kind of
fits into the natural tone wood engraved

2762
04:27:04,800 --> 04:27:14,880
sponsored uh by XYZ
and splash pad beachwalk cross overs.

2763
04:27:12,880 --> 04:27:22,479
Um,
and the last thing I will say is because

2764
04:27:18,479 --> 04:27:28,000
so that's one piece of the C5,
the operator, whoever is in the health

2765
04:27:26,479 --> 04:27:32,239
I'm just going to say Health First cuz
they're they're really big or a parish

2766
04:27:29,680 --> 04:27:38,800
or someone. They they operate gyms.
Health First is leaving here.

2767
04:27:35,840 --> 04:27:44,399
They we have city um employees trained
knows the community works here. whoever

2768
04:27:41,199 --> 04:27:47,399
it is, would they be willing to come in
and

2769
04:27:48,640 --> 04:27:56,000
take over the management, the
operations, and a lot of the bills and

2770
04:27:52,080 --> 04:27:59,439
the liability of that when well, I don't
like anything sudden to answer your

2771
04:27:57,840 --> 04:28:05,600
question, city manager. And so my
thought would be if we continued

2772
04:28:02,080 --> 04:28:13,120
business as usual for 90 days, could we
get some sort of LOI of interest

2773
04:28:10,239 --> 04:28:18,479
and then another 90 days to potentially
contract? I mean, is it turnkey ready to

2774
04:28:16,319 --> 04:28:22,479
walk in and operate? Is there an
appetite out there? I don't know. So,

2775
04:28:20,319 --> 04:28:28,239
it's really hard for me to know. It's a
very nice facility. The residents keep

2776
04:28:25,520 --> 04:28:33,359
their access to health and fitness. In a
best case scenario, the employees are

2777
04:28:30,479 --> 04:28:38,479
able to retain their local knowledge and
positions and the residents and this

2778
04:28:36,080 --> 04:28:44,080
council and the general fund sees a
relief in operation

2779
04:28:41,359 --> 04:28:50,080
cost. Splash pads separate, beach
crossovers are separate, but I think

2780
04:28:46,479 --> 04:28:58,080
that that would be where my head is. And
I'm thinking like 90 days to to try and

2781
04:28:53,760 --> 04:29:06,960
get interest and uh you know ideally 180
days 6 months to have uh maybe something

2782
04:29:02,800 --> 04:29:12,479
uh contracted and the Cape Center old
city hall very special building to this

2783
04:29:10,080 --> 04:29:18,000
community
that as I think I've stated and chatted

2784
04:29:15,439 --> 04:29:24,159
with the city manager to me this is
administrative But

2785
04:29:21,040 --> 04:29:29,840
I believe out of Nancy Hansen, our rec
side is handling Fridayfest. So that

2786
04:29:27,520 --> 04:29:36,560
culture like the same rationale with Box
Cast

2787
04:29:31,840 --> 04:29:44,239
to me the Cape Center 100% culture
community affairs type. Can we rent that

2788
04:29:40,399 --> 04:29:49,920
space beyond what we're doing? But those
walls are limited. You have indoor the

2789
04:29:47,680 --> 04:29:57,040
parking lot that we acquired, right?
That's food trucks, uh, vendors.

2790
04:29:53,439 --> 04:30:02,720
Could we have someone who today that
would be able to say rent this space,

2791
04:30:00,479 --> 04:30:07,760
rent the outside
uh,

2792
04:30:05,279 --> 04:30:12,640
farmers markets and it's available as
council member Shoryak 365 days. you

2793
04:30:11,040 --> 04:30:18,880
could have an event with a little bit of
indoor outdoor um and and I think that

2794
04:30:16,159 --> 04:30:23,120
that to me is far better than parking
cars. People would drive by it. I think

2795
04:30:20,720 --> 04:30:28,319
it's a desirable space. I know locals
would love food trucks and different

2796
04:30:25,520 --> 04:30:34,239
options coming in and take the
recreation side with the same logic and

2797
04:30:31,359 --> 04:30:39,439
say you've got Oh, and they would also
be responsible for booking Friday Fest

2798
04:30:37,279 --> 04:30:44,640
because that's more of a cultural thing.
So, you have the street

2799
04:30:42,479 --> 04:30:50,000
city manager and I think staff talked
about expanding, not saying we're full,

2800
04:30:47,439 --> 04:30:54,720
expanding Fridayfest to increase revenue
back in the nice green space area or the

2801
04:30:52,479 --> 04:31:03,120
shuffle board. I think those are all
really viable, good ideas that we could

2802
04:30:59,120 --> 04:31:09,040
start to get revenue positive and also
provide things to the community without

2803
04:31:05,359 --> 04:31:13,920
losing any service and hopefully no one
would lose their their job. It's

2804
04:31:12,159 --> 04:31:20,239
changing what we're [clears throat]
working on and how we're using our

2805
04:31:15,760 --> 04:31:25,439
space. And the recreation side would be
maybe out of Nancy Hansen, assuming we

2806
04:31:22,399 --> 04:31:31,920
had a lease operator. Can't lease the
C5, but we have obviously all the pickle

2807
04:31:29,120 --> 04:31:36,319
ball courts, the tennis courts,
um

2808
04:31:33,840 --> 04:31:43,359
where wherever we have uh recreational
space, the soccer fields, and you're

2809
04:31:39,120 --> 04:31:46,000
trying to to rent that out and and
>> mayor mayor

2810
04:31:44,399 --> 04:31:52,479
» keep the movement going. Those are the
three kind of buckets. 90 days to get

2811
04:31:49,600 --> 04:31:55,359
interest, 6 months. Could we actually
have something implemented? Sorry. Thank

2812
04:31:54,399 --> 04:32:00,720
you for your patience.
>> No, thank you, mayor. And just to kind

2813
04:31:57,600 --> 04:32:07,600
of circle back to the beginning, um, if
I could have Molly explain to you maybe

2814
04:32:03,840 --> 04:32:11,760
or tell the council what she's attempted
to do to find interest in these

2815
04:32:09,920 --> 04:32:17,680
facilities, what marketing them looks
like at this point without mentioning

2816
04:32:14,640 --> 04:32:23,040
companies or organizations or whatever.
Um, the efforts that we have undertaken

2817
04:32:20,239 --> 04:32:28,000
thus far in anticipation of this
conversation, number one. Number two, to

2818
04:32:25,199 --> 04:32:33,199
shed some light on the reality of event
planning, um the logistics, the time

2819
04:32:31,120 --> 04:32:36,399
involved, the the rental of our
facilities, and and I think we also have

2820
04:32:34,880 --> 04:32:41,040
a component about these are all in the
CRA, uh and what our ordinances look

2821
04:32:39,439 --> 04:32:47,319
like
um to accommodate those things.

2822
04:32:43,920 --> 04:32:47,319
» That'd be great.

2823
04:32:48,000 --> 04:32:55,600
» Hard to have microphone and computer
open at the same time.

2824
04:32:51,840 --> 04:33:01,840
So without mentioning names, as the city
manager said, there's um

2825
04:32:59,199 --> 04:33:08,160
and and it's more like recapping in
terms of what Anthony said and as far as

2826
04:33:05,119 --> 04:33:13,760
the process looks. Um and in our
conversations, Anthony specifically

2827
04:33:11,199 --> 04:33:18,320
outlined a couple uh windows of time
that are required. Um I believe you said

2828
04:33:16,400 --> 04:33:24,639
30 days,
Mr. city attorney for noticing before we

2829
04:33:21,920 --> 04:33:30,000
actually sign something over in terms of
a lease. Um there's also public private

2830
04:33:28,480 --> 04:33:34,000
partnerships.
Um and if you had told me a year ago I'd

2831
04:33:32,561 --> 04:33:38,799
be talking about Picttona, I would have
told you you were crazy. Um because I've

2832
04:33:37,039 --> 04:33:48,639
been hearing about Picttona since day
one of Picttona. And um it's not like us

2833
04:33:46,160 --> 04:33:54,080
in a multitude of ways. just Google a
picture of it. Um, but that doesn't mean

2834
04:33:51,039 --> 04:33:57,920
that we can't be similar to it. And it's
quite an inspirational story if you

2835
04:33:56,080 --> 04:34:03,920
actually read the little history tab on
how it was created. Um, we could

2836
04:34:00,639 --> 04:34:09,039
effectively uh learn a lot from them.
Um, and if you just go to their

2837
04:34:05,920 --> 04:34:17,119
sponsorship page just by itself, you'll
see um, some of your I'd say your top 10

2838
04:34:14,879 --> 04:34:22,959
companies in terms of health insurance
provide pro providers and all of that in

2839
04:34:20,799 --> 04:34:30,320
including a lot of other local
businesses, attorneys, real estate

2840
04:34:25,279 --> 04:34:35,840
agents, so on so forth. So there's a lot
of merit in all the different things you

2841
04:34:32,480 --> 04:34:40,719
mentioned. Um, and then in terms of your
suggestion with as far as, you know,

2842
04:34:39,119 --> 04:34:46,000
okay, yes, find something for Nancy
Hansen in terms of somebody that can

2843
04:34:42,959 --> 04:34:54,561
operate that and utilize our current
staff. Same thing with the the C5, get

2844
04:34:50,480 --> 04:34:58,561
sponsorship for the splash pad. Um, we
would also need to talk about, and this

2845
04:34:56,799 --> 04:35:03,600
gets into,
as multiple people have mentioned,

2846
04:35:00,160 --> 04:35:10,639
really dialing in the scope of our our
RFP. Does our RFP that talks about the

2847
04:35:07,039 --> 04:35:15,760
C5, include covering the cost of mulch,
which is uh a safety requirement in our

2848
04:35:13,840 --> 04:35:20,799
park that's on that property? Like what
does that RFP look like and maintaining

2849
04:35:18,240 --> 04:35:27,520
the rest of that property, ball field to
be included? Um, so when you look at

2850
04:35:24,799 --> 04:35:35,119
those different things, like I I said in
my presentation, it's not a copy paste

2851
04:35:30,561 --> 04:35:41,279
on all the properties. And then to your
last comment, um I don't know if you've

2852
04:35:38,639 --> 04:35:46,879
noticed, but all of those benches that
have never ever ever been sat on in the

2853
04:35:44,240 --> 04:35:51,760
plaza are gone
because on September 19th, I believe, or

2854
04:35:49,920 --> 04:35:58,160
18th, we're going to be doing our first
cottage market. And that was organized

2855
04:35:54,160 --> 04:36:03,039
by not just our um administrative team
in our department, but also the

2856
04:36:00,799 --> 04:36:06,320
community engagement coordinator that
works out of the Cape Center. So, we're

2857
04:36:05,680 --> 04:36:09,520
doing that.
>> That's great.

2858
04:36:06,879 --> 04:36:13,439
» Um, and that's a that's a dry run. We've
never I mean, that place has been full

2859
04:36:11,600 --> 04:36:19,520
of benches, so you couldn't do anything
other than go sit there. Um, so we've

2860
04:36:16,959 --> 04:36:24,639
got space for
conservatively about 13 vendors and

2861
04:36:22,639 --> 04:36:30,639
Marcy's been looped in on this. Marcy's
the one that runs Fridayfest. She took a

2862
04:36:28,320 --> 04:36:36,639
walk through the plaza with me to see
how we could maybe incorporate that into

2863
04:36:33,199 --> 04:36:39,760
expanding into Fridayfest. So, take a
look at it when it actually when we have

2864
04:36:38,320 --> 04:36:42,959
tents, when we have people walking
around, when there's traffic going by,

2865
04:36:41,199 --> 04:36:46,959
it's kind of scary out there by the
front part of the road. We'll see how

2866
04:36:44,400 --> 04:36:50,879
that goes. Um, and it is kind of
separated from the rest of Friday Fest,

2867
04:36:48,719 --> 04:36:55,039
which can be good and bad. You guys have
all participated in Friday Fest in some

2868
04:36:52,959 --> 04:37:00,320
way, shape, or form. Sometimes it's good
to be by the band in the beer. Sometimes

2869
04:36:57,279 --> 04:37:03,439
it's not. So, it depends on what you're
trying to accomplish. If you're trying

2870
04:37:01,760 --> 04:37:07,439
to talk to constituents, if you're
trying to talk to people, over by the

2871
04:37:06,000 --> 04:37:14,639
band in the beer is not exactly where
you want to be as a as a vendor or

2872
04:37:09,840 --> 04:37:21,279
whatever. Um the idea of expanding
Fridayfest into the um we'll call it the

2873
04:37:18,719 --> 04:37:28,561
courtyard space over at the Nancy Hansen
is incredibly problematic. Um, it is

2874
04:37:25,439 --> 04:37:34,799
worse in terms of ADA accessibility than
it is having the event in the street

2875
04:37:30,959 --> 04:37:41,600
because there's oddly enough hills
>> throughout that. Um, and the sidewalk is

2876
04:37:37,520 --> 04:37:45,600
not um conducive necessarily for that
and we don't have the best lighting in

2877
04:37:43,199 --> 04:37:50,080
that area. So going over into that side
space, every year we talk about it and

2878
04:37:48,400 --> 04:37:56,080
every year we do a little walkthrough
and a what if and a what if and a what

2879
04:37:51,840 --> 04:38:02,561
if and every year we like it's it's just
probably not a good idea. So, um,

2880
04:37:59,279 --> 04:38:09,920
improvements in those areas would need
to happen in order to really in earnest

2881
04:38:06,480 --> 04:38:16,480
create a safe and marketable space
because now you're taking people kind of

2882
04:38:13,359 --> 04:38:20,959
off the off thebeaten path of what our
traditional Friday fest event space is.

2883
04:38:18,879 --> 04:38:26,000
It's one thing to have the visibility
right there at A1A. It's another one to

2884
04:38:22,959 --> 04:38:30,879
have them hidden by the shrubs in the in
the back area where the shuffleboard

2885
04:38:28,639 --> 04:38:35,199
courts are. And one of the things that
always disappoints me about the shuffle

2886
04:38:32,799 --> 04:38:42,879
boards is you would think that they were
flat and they are not. Like it's not one

2887
04:38:38,639 --> 04:38:47,680
big flat space. So, it's not
conducive to even utilizing that

2888
04:38:44,719 --> 04:38:51,359
interior part of the space to put in,
you know, some tents and some lights and

2889
04:38:49,439 --> 04:38:57,600
stuff like that because they're lanes
with little valleys in between each one.

2890
04:38:53,920 --> 04:39:01,039
So, um, did that answer anything?
>> It did. The cottage, where would that

2891
04:39:00,160 --> 04:39:04,080
be?
>> In the plaza,

2892
04:39:02,240 --> 04:39:06,959
» right next door.
>> Right there.

2893
04:39:04,959 --> 04:39:11,039
» North of Cape Center.
>> Next to the dog park, the parking lot.

2894
04:39:09,279 --> 04:39:13,199
Literally, if you walk out the side
door,

2895
04:39:11,600 --> 04:39:15,920
» this Yeah, the plaza
>> where the palms date palms are. Yeah.

2896
04:39:15,039 --> 04:39:22,480
Okay.
>> Um, that's great. I think u Yeah, my

2897
04:39:19,279 --> 04:39:26,320
thought would be it's hard to see how
we're going to sustainably fund this.

2898
04:39:24,000 --> 04:39:31,680
And so to answer your question, we
already got some stuff going. Could we

2899
04:39:28,400 --> 04:39:36,639
roll it out? And last, I can speak for
myself. If a property needs some

2900
04:39:35,039 --> 04:39:41,440
improvements
and we know that those improvements are

2901
04:39:38,798 --> 04:39:44,878
going to help for revenue positive.
Absolutely. That's all I have to say.

2902
04:39:44,320 --> 04:39:49,200
» Yeah,
>> Mr. Mayor. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh,

2903
04:39:47,200 --> 04:39:53,760
» yes, Council Member King. [laughter]
>> Um, what about approaching those

2904
04:39:51,920 --> 04:40:00,000
insurance companies that provide us with
the silver slippers uh um uh or the

2905
04:39:57,200 --> 04:40:05,200
silver sneakers, I'm sorry, uh programs?
That might be another avenue uh to

2906
04:40:02,240 --> 04:40:10,480
explore too for advertising.
And also I just wanted to say um the VC

2907
04:40:08,080 --> 04:40:15,680
doinees that were here earlier, they
sponsored one of those benches on the on

2908
04:40:12,718 --> 04:40:20,400
the uh beach crossovers. We could do
that too.

2909
04:40:17,680 --> 04:40:22,878
» If I may, mayor, the city attorney has
some comments and I'd like to comment

2910
04:40:22,000 --> 04:40:26,000
after him.
>> Okay. Can I say one quick thing in

2911
04:40:24,798 --> 04:40:30,418
regards to what she just said?
>> Absolutely.

2912
04:40:26,638 --> 04:40:32,320
» Okay. Don't ask me for permission.
>> [laughter]

2913
04:40:30,718 --> 04:40:34,240
» Well, I didn't want to I didn't want to
stomp all over.

2914
04:40:33,280 --> 04:40:38,000
» She's being polite.
>> Yes, I was trying to be polite. So, you

2915
04:40:36,560 --> 04:40:42,320
all had talked about that and you're
talking about the benches. I'm going to

2916
04:40:39,920 --> 04:40:48,000
tell you, someone needs to go right out
to the space center to every rocket

2917
04:40:44,958 --> 04:40:52,798
company in town and tell them that we
are going to be selling advertising on

2918
04:40:50,560 --> 04:40:58,878
our beach boardwalks
>> and let them because we've got a ton of

2919
04:40:55,760 --> 04:41:03,760
new vendors. So it's not just SpaceX and
Blue Origin that might do that kind of

2920
04:41:01,760 --> 04:41:10,240
investment. And these companies have
money. So we're not talking don't don't

2921
04:41:07,200 --> 04:41:16,240
say hey it c we'll charge you 2500 for
the year. No ask substantial give us 50

2922
04:41:14,080 --> 04:41:21,520
give us 25,000
>> high [clears throat] and negotiate.

2923
04:41:17,760 --> 04:41:27,280
» Exactly. So go out there and I'm telling
you, I know a young man in this room who

2924
04:41:24,798 --> 04:41:32,958
is very good at what he does who will
know all of those companies. Exactly.

2925
04:41:31,120 --> 04:41:39,040
So
hello, Zach. So um seriously, we need to

2926
04:41:36,400 --> 04:41:44,240
be hitting those people. I think that'd
be a great way to make some revenue as

2927
04:41:41,280 --> 04:41:47,680
well.
>> Thank you. It's just a different model

2928
04:41:46,240 --> 04:41:53,680
that it sounds like we're looking into.
city attorney.

2929
04:41:49,760 --> 04:41:58,958
» Two points, three points maybe. First,
good idea about marketing, right? And

2930
04:41:56,240 --> 04:42:02,798
putting corporate logos on certain city
facilities. Two of my clients have done

2931
04:42:00,958 --> 04:42:08,480
that. Two different healthc care
companies, right? Put a healthc care

2932
04:42:04,958 --> 04:42:13,920
logo on a pickle ball stadium and put it
on screening. You I think it was about

2933
04:42:11,680 --> 04:42:20,160
20,000 a year for a 5year commitment for
$100,000. you know, it's another city

2934
04:42:17,120 --> 04:42:28,638
very close to here, similar, right?
Putting logos, um, naming rights, very

2935
04:42:24,878 --> 04:42:32,798
very easy. So,
you're throwing out revenue ideas and

2936
04:42:30,718 --> 04:42:37,200
and and and I spoke to the manager and
and and and Joey about this, brought it

2937
04:42:35,200 --> 04:42:42,638
to their attention, and I'm going to
bring it to your attention because if

2938
04:42:39,440 --> 04:42:47,120
you want big ticket items for revenue
opportunities in your general fund, one

2939
04:42:45,280 --> 04:42:52,560
suggestion would be to deal with your
sewer enterprise. Your sewer enterprise

2940
04:42:49,360 --> 04:42:58,080
doesn't run like a business. Citizens of
Cape Canaveral own that sewer utility.

2941
04:42:55,280 --> 04:43:03,520
That sewer enterprise fund does not
return an investment to the general

2942
04:43:00,320 --> 04:43:09,520
fund. It also doesn't pay to utilize the
city uh roads like other utilities. So

2943
04:43:07,600 --> 04:43:14,320
there's no there's there's a vehicle
called the payment in lie of franchise

2944
04:43:11,920 --> 04:43:18,798
fee. I mean there return on between
return on investment payment in le of

2945
04:43:16,320 --> 04:43:23,440
franchise fee if it gets incorporated
into the sewer rate model will bring in

2946
04:43:21,440 --> 04:43:28,958
excess of seven figures to the general
fund. It just needs to be thought

2947
04:43:25,840 --> 04:43:34,080
through and needs to be handed to handed
to your rate consultant when you do your

2948
04:43:30,958 --> 04:43:40,480
rate study coming up to incorporate
those concepts into the rates. So it

2949
04:43:37,200 --> 04:43:48,400
gets part it's a rate component. Um this
the sewer enterprise fund does not

2950
04:43:44,160 --> 04:43:52,718
pay the general fund as an in as the as
an investor because your general fund is

2951
04:43:50,080 --> 04:44:00,878
your general operating expenses. So
that's one one idea um to use the sewer

2952
04:43:57,280 --> 04:44:06,080
enterprise fund to have a a legitimate
interfund transfer of revenue from the

2953
04:44:03,360 --> 04:44:12,080
sewer enterprise to the general fund to
be used for general fund purposes.

2954
04:44:09,280 --> 04:44:15,840
Right? So that's a that's a that's a
suggestion. Um

2955
04:44:13,840 --> 04:44:19,840
» and it would be a franchise fee that
>> it's a pay it's it's a return on

2956
04:44:17,520 --> 04:44:23,840
investment, right? So that's going to be
based there's different ways to deal

2957
04:44:21,680 --> 04:44:28,240
with it and there's an like a return on
investment you you basically take take

2958
04:44:25,920 --> 04:44:32,240
net net capital asset costs less
depreciation right and you have a

2959
04:44:30,080 --> 04:44:37,200
certain percentage and that and that
inner fund transfer can occur annually

2960
04:44:34,958 --> 04:44:41,840
as a return on investment to the general
fund from your sewer enterprise fund.

2961
04:44:39,920 --> 04:44:46,400
Then there's a payment in lie of taxes,
a payment in le of franchise fees

2962
04:44:43,440 --> 04:44:53,840
because your other utilities like
electric, uh, solid waste, um, gas, they

2963
04:44:50,480 --> 04:44:57,360
pay a franchise fee, right, to occupy
the rightway because there are certain

2964
04:44:55,440 --> 04:45:01,840
rightaway maintenance expenses that come
out of the general fund. Well, why why

2965
04:44:59,760 --> 04:45:05,600
wouldn't the sewer enterprise pay a
payment in lie of a franchise fee,

2966
04:45:03,760 --> 04:45:10,160
right? It's not a franchise fee per se
because it's one agency, right? you were

2967
04:45:08,160 --> 04:45:14,958
one governmental agency, but it's a
legitimate transfer. You just have to

2968
04:45:12,400 --> 04:45:18,240
set it up
>> reoccurring

2969
04:45:16,080 --> 04:45:23,040
» reoccurring annually. This is will be a
reoccurring interfund transfer every

2970
04:45:21,200 --> 04:45:27,760
single year to the general fund budget
from the sewer enterprise for a return

2971
04:45:25,760 --> 04:45:32,160
on investment and then a payment in
lower franchise fee

2972
04:45:28,958 --> 04:45:36,718
» and enterprise uh participation in
operational cost for maintaining roads

2973
04:45:34,400 --> 04:45:41,840
and that kind of stuff. They're
occupying the rightway. Yeah. To occupy

2974
04:45:39,200 --> 04:45:45,040
the rightway with the sewer.
>> The return on investment is a different

2975
04:45:43,440 --> 04:45:48,560
thing. That's think of it as a corporate
situation, right? The shareholders get a

2976
04:45:47,200 --> 04:45:51,120
return on investment, right, from the
corporation. Well, the shareholders in

2977
04:45:50,000 --> 04:45:54,560
this particular case would be the
general fund, right? Would be the

2978
04:45:52,480 --> 04:45:58,878
citizens of Cape Canaveral. So, you own
a business called sewer enterprise,

2979
04:45:57,040 --> 04:46:01,600
right? Why doesn't that sewer enterprise
pay a return on investment to the

2980
04:46:00,480 --> 04:46:05,040
general fund,
>> right? To the shareholders, the citizens

2981
04:46:03,440 --> 04:46:09,200
of of Cape Canaveral.
>> Gotcha. So that's the concept. It can

2982
04:46:07,520 --> 04:46:14,000
legitimately be built into the rate
model and it could be an annual expense

2983
04:46:11,280 --> 04:46:15,520
uh annual revenue source for the general
fund.

2984
04:46:14,958 --> 04:46:21,200
» Okay.
>> A significant one.

2985
04:46:18,240 --> 04:46:24,400
» And would it jack up the enterprise fees
for our residents?

2986
04:46:22,638 --> 04:46:28,958
» It's going to deal with it's going to
impact the sewer rates.

2987
04:46:25,840 --> 04:46:35,360
» So the sewer rates would be increased
>> to move that over to the general fund.

2988
04:46:33,200 --> 04:46:38,320
» It'd be part of the sewer rates. Okay.
All right.

2989
04:46:36,080 --> 04:46:43,440
» But don't we
>> I see contributions from wastewater fund

2990
04:46:41,040 --> 04:46:47,760
substantial. Would it be in addition to
that or would it this be a more

2991
04:46:45,200 --> 04:46:51,520
» those are um I'll let Joey speak to that
but I think those are uh their fair

2992
04:46:49,600 --> 04:46:55,040
share of the administrative expenses.
Right.

2993
04:46:52,000 --> 04:46:59,200
» That is the uh the utility tax. The 10%.
>> Oh, and the utility tax. Yeah.

2994
04:46:56,718 --> 04:47:03,040
» Oh, the one that we maxed out. Okay. So,
this would be in addition to that.

2995
04:47:00,718 --> 04:47:08,400
» In addition to
>> That's great. So your big your bigger

2996
04:47:05,360 --> 04:47:14,480
sewer [clears throat] users would
obviously pay more

2997
04:47:11,680 --> 04:47:17,360
right than
res

2998
04:47:15,600 --> 04:47:19,600
» based on it's going to be based on well
it's going to be based on

2999
04:47:18,718 --> 04:47:24,400
» usage
>> usage.

3000
04:47:22,000 --> 04:47:27,040
» Wow.
Timeline to implement something like

3001
04:47:26,080 --> 04:47:31,600
that.
>> Do a rate study incorporate it and adopt

3002
04:47:29,360 --> 04:47:36,560
new sewer rates. That's the timeline.
It's something that can be done next

3003
04:47:33,200 --> 04:47:39,360
fiscal year.
>> Okay.

3004
04:47:38,240 --> 04:47:43,120
» Mayor, if I may.
>> Yes, please.

3005
04:47:40,638 --> 04:47:47,920
» I I truly appreciate these um
suggestions. Every one of them that's

3006
04:47:45,600 --> 04:47:53,040
been made. Um some of them we've been
discussing already and it takes time and

3007
04:47:50,320 --> 04:47:57,600
effort to do them. Uh but at this stage
of the game, I got to tell you, I feel

3008
04:47:54,878 --> 04:48:03,200
like I'm my own on my own 10 yard line.
The clock is running out and we're

3009
04:48:00,000 --> 04:48:08,958
discussing what Hail Mary pass
we're going to make.

3010
04:48:05,520 --> 04:48:14,638
The council has capped us at a 4.5
millillage rate.

3011
04:48:12,000 --> 04:48:19,200
We're talking about we want to buy 40
things and we only have enough money for

3012
04:48:16,718 --> 04:48:29,360
20.
I would like to focus if we can on what

3013
04:48:24,480 --> 04:48:33,760
we actually have to deal with. You have
your first budget meeting one week from

3014
04:48:31,520 --> 04:48:38,320
tonight and then you have your second
one in 19 days

3015
04:48:36,400 --> 04:48:43,040
and staff has already been running and
run in every direction possible to get

3016
04:48:40,560 --> 04:48:47,680
us to this point tonight.
There's been a discussion on what

3017
04:48:45,440 --> 04:48:52,160
millage rate would it take to keep
employees in Parka.

3018
04:48:49,920 --> 04:49:00,000
I don't know that that millage rate can
exist in the time left to advertise

3019
04:48:55,200 --> 04:49:05,520
because this council set a a proposed
rate at 4.5 and that notice went out to

3020
04:49:02,878 --> 04:49:10,000
the community and and it went out
knowing that we would have to spend

3021
04:49:07,520 --> 04:49:15,600
money if we're going to elevate it. So,
you've set the bar. We've got to work

3022
04:49:12,718 --> 04:49:20,798
within the confines of that bar. We've
already told you who would have to go.

3023
04:49:18,638 --> 04:49:24,718
If you want to try to save recreation,
it's going to come at the expense of

3024
04:49:22,560 --> 04:49:30,400
other general fund employees because
there's no money.

3025
04:49:27,200 --> 04:49:32,958
» I just have to be real with you on that.
>> Yeah.

3026
04:49:30,638 --> 04:49:35,600
» Unless there's some magic button money
button I'm not aware of.

3027
04:49:35,200 --> 04:49:38,798
» No,
>> it's not there.

3028
04:49:37,280 --> 04:49:44,320
» The reason I brought that up, it was
there was a question related to it. Um

3029
04:49:41,760 --> 04:49:50,160
and I think the answer was not with the
intent to go back. I think that the 4

3030
04:49:46,320 --> 04:49:56,638
and a.5 mil for me I can speak
um

3031
04:49:52,400 --> 04:50:03,760
our expenditures have gotten too high
and the millage of six is what it would

3032
04:50:00,958 --> 04:50:10,320
take to maintain this and every year
those expenditures increase. And so it

3033
04:50:07,440 --> 04:50:13,360
was to answer the question and to
recognize,

3034
04:50:11,920 --> 04:50:18,240
well, we're going to have all these
reductions with a 45% increase and

3035
04:50:16,560 --> 04:50:22,160
they're not going away and they're going
to go up.

3036
04:50:20,320 --> 04:50:26,638
The the millillage that we would have to
be at

3037
04:50:24,878 --> 04:50:30,958
with the types of spending patterns
we've seen would send Cape Canaveral to

3038
04:50:29,200 --> 04:50:36,320
the highest one of the highest tax
communities in the county. And that's a

3039
04:50:34,000 --> 04:50:42,798
structural issue. So I hear you loud and
clear. Cutting expenditures

3040
04:50:39,440 --> 04:50:49,440
was my hope and identifying.
I have not went through these different

3041
04:50:46,080 --> 04:50:55,958
millillage that was sent out um today
but if I hear correctly there is no more

3042
04:50:52,958 --> 04:50:55,958
non-personnel

3043
04:50:56,560 --> 04:51:04,798
reductions
and

3044
04:51:00,718 --> 04:51:08,000
this 4.5 has those reductions built into
it that we went through in the

3045
04:51:06,160 --> 04:51:13,760
presentation.
So

3046
04:51:10,080 --> 04:51:23,760
I'm talking about the balance. Um if I
go to like perka I will see a a dramat a

3047
04:51:20,160 --> 04:51:32,240
regular time salaries
for I'm seeing yes clearly it's $872,000

3048
04:51:28,718 --> 04:51:36,480
for perka salaries not including
retirement life insurance workman's comp

3049
04:51:34,400 --> 04:51:40,638
all the other personnel expenditures.
that is now down a half a million

3050
04:51:38,320 --> 04:51:47,560
dollars to 325,000
which retains those five is that so we

3051
04:51:43,360 --> 04:51:47,560
can and then

3052
04:51:48,638 --> 04:51:58,040
I I I think I answered my question here.
Um,

3053
04:51:55,040 --> 04:51:58,040
so

3054
04:51:58,160 --> 04:52:05,840
here here's my question. Instead of a
why is it being recommended?

3055
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:09,280
Well,
the [snorts] slide that mentioned the

3056
04:52:07,360 --> 04:52:14,320
retirement that was one of mine. I did
not understand that slide. I can try to

3057
04:52:11,600 --> 04:52:18,080
find it, but it was the one that said um
in in our direct finance director's

3058
04:52:16,400 --> 04:52:23,440
presentation,
it said not or does include

3059
04:52:21,520 --> 04:52:28,560
um it's the one that took the the
retirement and reduced that retirement

3060
04:52:25,760 --> 04:52:36,480
down. Let's see if I if you find it
before me. No, I think it was in the uh

3061
04:52:32,000 --> 04:52:43,718
the ones Joey did. Um, oh, it's titled
employee compensation

3062
04:52:38,718 --> 04:52:43,718
and benefits at roll back rate.

3063
04:52:44,480 --> 04:52:55,520
I'm not sure the ones prior.
Yeah, that one. Okay. So, is this slide

3064
04:52:50,718 --> 04:53:00,320
saying so this is going the the previous
is can we explain what this means? Do

3065
04:52:58,160 --> 04:53:08,760
the previous the the middle of the road
rate and the 4.5

3066
04:53:03,360 --> 04:53:08,760
have a reduction in retirement.

3067
04:53:09,120 --> 04:53:15,440
» So the best way to frame this is at the
4.5 level.

3068
04:53:14,240 --> 04:53:22,160
» Yep.
um staff would

3069
04:53:18,400 --> 04:53:29,120
have the same benefits
as they do this fiscal year,

3070
04:53:26,320 --> 04:53:33,360
which is the
same similar healthc care package. I

3071
04:53:31,280 --> 04:53:40,080
mean that's kind of being discussed uh
and figured out but basically

3072
04:53:36,000 --> 04:53:43,632
at some determined cost health vision,
life, health, dental,

3073
04:53:42,320 --> 04:53:49,200
» Mhm.
[snorts] It would have the 2% cost of

3074
04:53:46,320 --> 04:53:56,958
living. It would have the 3% merit. So
that'd be 5% additional on top of the

3075
04:53:52,000 --> 04:54:03,840
salary. And it would have a a 9%
retirement contribution and a 3%.

3076
04:54:00,638 --> 04:54:11,280
So, if we took a salary of $100,000 just
for easy math for the just the the pay,

3077
04:54:08,000 --> 04:54:17,920
there would be um
$2,000 in automatic cost of living on

3078
04:54:14,878 --> 04:54:23,600
100,000. That's 2%, right? There would
be another 3%. So, add them up

3079
04:54:22,480 --> 04:54:27,360
merit if earned
>> if earned

3080
04:54:24,240 --> 04:54:32,160
» be 5%. So, there'd be 105,000. So, they
were 100 this year. they're if earned uh

3081
04:54:30,718 --> 04:54:39,440
they're going to get the 2,000 it's
going to go up to 105 then the 3%

3082
04:54:37,520 --> 04:54:44,000
I don't fully know how it works if I
know that employees got to have a part

3083
04:54:41,440 --> 04:54:51,440
or is the city
pretty much contributing the full

3084
04:54:48,638 --> 04:54:56,000
12% the 9 plus the three
>> the the retirement portion is the city

3085
04:54:53,600 --> 04:54:59,120
gives 9% to every employee
>> okay

3086
04:54:56,400 --> 04:55:06,400
» and then there's a 3% match so If the
employee chooses to invest up to 3%, the

3087
04:55:03,280 --> 04:55:12,000
city will match that. So the city could
do either 9% if an employee doesn't take

3088
04:55:08,798 --> 04:55:17,920
advantage of the 3% or the city would
pay up to 12% max.

3089
04:55:14,638 --> 04:55:29,040
» Okay. So 100,000 just for example base
salary plus 2,000 uh cola cost of living

3090
04:55:23,120 --> 04:55:34,080
plus 3,000 merit plus automatic 9,000
in retirement that money is not

3091
04:55:32,160 --> 04:55:39,680
dispersed immediately but available
later

3092
04:55:35,680 --> 04:55:46,480
retiring. Plus, if they put 3,000 in,
conservatively, we'd say the city would

3093
04:55:43,040 --> 04:55:51,360
match another 3,000.
Are there any other standard when we say

3094
04:55:49,360 --> 04:55:55,280
benefits that doesn't include health
insurance? Is there anything else? I

3095
04:55:53,280 --> 04:55:59,200
know our city manager and there
contracted there's

3096
04:55:57,200 --> 04:56:02,400
» I'm the only stuff.
>> Yeah, I'm the only contracted employee.

3097
04:56:01,120 --> 04:56:08,240
of course they have their their paid
time off

3098
04:56:03,600 --> 04:56:11,120
» uh in and in in the whole um package um
the health insurance as well.

3099
04:56:10,638 --> 04:56:15,360
» Right.
>> Right.

3100
04:56:11,520 --> 04:56:23,200
» So the cost in your example the the
total cost to the city is normally 33 to

3101
04:56:19,280 --> 04:56:27,440
40% more than than an employes salary.
>> Okay. That's helpful.

3102
04:56:24,638 --> 04:56:31,920
» That's a good um rule of thumb.
>> 33 to 40.

3103
04:56:28,798 --> 04:56:37,840
» Mhm. So if it's a 100,000 the all in
everything we just said which totals

3104
04:56:35,520 --> 04:56:41,600
17 there's probably another 17
>> in healthcare that's about it. Yep. And

3105
04:56:39,760 --> 04:56:48,400
some other smaller things.
>> Okay. So this

3106
04:56:44,718 --> 04:56:54,480
this 4.5 mil we're saying today to keep
the 43. We've hit a cap. We can't go

3107
04:56:51,600 --> 04:57:02,798
over. Just the decision of the trim rate
alone takes it to 28 employees

3108
04:56:57,920 --> 04:57:08,320
right at four and a half. Do those 28
the 15 that are removed are two of those

3109
04:57:06,160 --> 04:57:13,120
transfers they're leaving the general
fund but they are actually staying with

3110
04:57:11,360 --> 04:57:15,360
the city and performing services.
They're just paid from a different

3111
04:57:14,638 --> 04:57:20,560
source.
>> Yes. So is it fair to say that the

3112
04:57:17,680 --> 04:57:26,160
general fund is losing under this
scenario 15 positions

3113
04:57:24,320 --> 04:57:32,320
but
we are actually keeping

3114
04:57:29,280 --> 04:57:36,560
it's going from 43 to 30 employees the
the citywide

3115
04:57:34,798 --> 04:57:40,878
» citywide um
>> not including wage

3116
04:57:37,600 --> 04:57:46,000
» so which percent 4.5
>> I'm saying when the average resident or

3117
04:57:43,200 --> 04:57:50,638
me reads that the 15 positions lost.
Yes, they're they're out of the general

3118
04:57:47,840 --> 04:57:55,040
fund, but two of those 15 are going to
be funded out of a different fund and

3119
04:57:52,958 --> 04:57:58,878
they will continue to do perform their
same services.

3120
04:57:56,798 --> 04:58:02,560
» No, we've already transferred them.
>> It they will not perform the same

3121
04:58:01,120 --> 04:58:07,680
services.
>> They'll be working for a different fund.

3122
04:58:04,718 --> 04:58:13,200
So, so in essence, the general fund, the
work to provide for the general fund,

3123
04:58:11,440 --> 04:58:17,920
the amount of employees working for the
general fund will go from 43 to 28.

3124
04:58:17,120 --> 04:58:21,440
» I understand that.
>> Yeah. So, to your point, the 15

3125
04:58:19,600 --> 04:58:25,440
positions we're talking about are in
fact being eliminated. There are two

3126
04:58:23,840 --> 04:58:30,798
other positions that are being
transferred to enterprise and will be

3127
04:58:28,400 --> 04:58:35,440
funded under Enterprise. And we are
actually also considering creating

3128
04:58:32,480 --> 04:58:40,798
another position under enterprise for
sewer um that could potentially save one

3129
04:58:38,878 --> 04:58:46,080
general uh that we can transfer a
general fund employee over to but we

3130
04:58:43,360 --> 04:58:53,280
haven't yet calculated that. So that
number could change from 15 to 14 um in

3131
04:58:50,638 --> 04:58:57,200
which case the savings would be just
transferring that employee salary

3132
04:58:54,798 --> 04:59:01,680
benefits well salary over and benefits
over to the enterprise. The two

3133
04:58:59,760 --> 04:59:05,280
employees that's already transferred
that were previously paid out of the

3134
04:59:03,280 --> 04:59:11,520
general fund, are they represented in
that 43 number?

3135
04:59:08,798 --> 04:59:16,958
» Yes. So, as of right now, there's 43
employees working for the general fund.

3136
04:59:14,240 --> 04:59:23,040
In order to go to the 4.5, we would have
to reduce it by 15 positions.

3137
04:59:20,958 --> 04:59:26,878
» But I think the difference then would be
we have to add two to enterprise. And we

3138
04:59:25,200 --> 04:59:31,680
do have on the slide somewhere there's
20 in enterprise. So we I'm glad you're

3139
04:59:29,840 --> 04:59:37,760
asking because we've not accounted for
those two shifting from general fund to

3140
04:59:34,560 --> 04:59:43,280
enterprise. Um so we'll have a total of
22 employees in enterprise.

3141
04:59:40,718 --> 04:59:49,200
» So there's there's 20 employees in the
enterprise funds currently currently. So

3142
04:59:46,798 --> 04:59:54,878
if we currently have 43 general fund
employees plus the 20 enterprise

3143
04:59:52,400 --> 04:59:58,718
employees, the city
employs 63 people.

3144
04:59:57,600 --> 05:00:02,638
That's today.
>> As of today. Yeah.

3145
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:08,000
» This is a better way to do it. 63 today.
At 4.5 citywide, how many will we have?

3146
05:00:06,000 --> 05:00:14,560
Cuz the funds can get confusing.
>> It would be instead of 15 losses, it

3147
05:00:11,120 --> 05:00:20,638
would be 13. So it' be 63
minus the 13. So it' be 50.

3148
05:00:18,000 --> 05:00:26,240
» Okay. So do you see like what I'm trying
to point out is when we see this and we

3149
05:00:22,878 --> 05:00:31,680
have public comment go up the the optics
of this not it's it's accurate and it's

3150
05:00:30,320 --> 05:00:38,480
important because we are talking about
the general fund. So I I think I grasp

3151
05:00:35,120 --> 05:00:44,638
it but we're talking about a 4.5
millillage rate takes us from a 13

3152
05:00:42,000 --> 05:00:50,638
employee reduction
um from 63 to 50. Is that right?

3153
05:00:48,160 --> 05:00:55,320
Citywide across all funds.
>> Correct.

3154
05:00:51,360 --> 05:00:55,320
» Okay. So,

3155
05:00:55,440 --> 05:01:02,560
» may
>> just one more question. The two that are

3156
05:00:58,560 --> 05:01:09,200
transferred their
function or level of service is not

3157
05:01:05,040 --> 05:01:15,600
going to to change. So they're
predominantly resiliency and but all of

3158
05:01:12,560 --> 05:01:22,400
their functions and job duties will be
transferable to storm water because

3159
05:01:19,280 --> 05:01:24,958
resiliency is essentially um a component
of storm water and

3160
05:01:24,400 --> 05:01:28,798
» I see.
>> Yep.

3161
05:01:25,600 --> 05:01:33,360
» So they will continue to perform there
will be no reduction in the level of

3162
05:01:30,638 --> 05:01:35,680
service from those two functions those
positions.

3163
05:01:34,160 --> 05:01:40,320
» Correct. It will fall under another
department. So there was we are talking

3164
05:01:38,000 --> 05:01:45,200
about 13
employees. I'm going to stop there. Got

3165
05:01:43,040 --> 05:01:51,440
a little bit more. Mayor Pro Tim.
>> Um was storm water engineering moved

3166
05:01:48,480 --> 05:01:54,560
over to that. Was that one of the
positions?

3167
05:01:52,320 --> 05:01:57,440
» No, these are both resiliency. You're
referring to how we pay for our

3168
05:01:56,320 --> 05:02:02,798
engineer. Yeah.
>> And and we basically break him down in

3169
05:02:00,240 --> 05:02:08,320
percentage wise, if you will. uh because
he works across enterprise and general

3170
05:02:05,200 --> 05:02:13,760
fund projects. So we fund his salary a
portion from the general fund but then

3171
05:02:10,878 --> 05:02:18,160
also from uh storm water and solid waste
and reclaim. So but he's majority I

3172
05:02:16,798 --> 05:02:23,600
don't know the number but the majority
of his salary is out of enterprise.

3173
05:02:20,878 --> 05:02:31,280
Could we
move his entire salary to storm water

3174
05:02:27,120 --> 05:02:38,480
and then do some type of uh bill back at
a lower rate than what his salary would

3175
05:02:34,080 --> 05:02:43,520
be to the general fund to to help offset
the cost of the general fund's payment

3176
05:02:40,958 --> 05:02:48,000
for that? If that makes sense.
>> And that's a good question. But when we

3177
05:02:45,520 --> 05:02:51,520
allocate salaries, it has to be true
based on the amount of time they're

3178
05:02:49,680 --> 05:02:58,000
working in the different funds.
>> So if he works 25% in this fund, then

3179
05:02:55,804 --> 05:03:02,080
[clears throat] we can only charge 25%
to there instead of 50 and then it'd be

3180
05:03:00,638 --> 05:03:05,280
overstating it. So we have to be
accurate in the time.

3181
05:03:03,600 --> 05:03:10,878
» This is something that comes up during
audits. I mean it's normal to pay for

3182
05:03:08,080 --> 05:03:14,240
employee salaries out of enterprise when
they operate between general fund and

3183
05:03:12,480 --> 05:03:17,920
enterprise but it's also something that
is monitored uh when we get when we have

3184
05:03:16,798 --> 05:03:22,878
our audits.
>> I just think if we were able to

3185
05:03:20,400 --> 05:03:26,560
alleviate that from the general fund and
pay it out of enterprise and then have a

3186
05:03:25,120 --> 05:03:29,440
bill back rate
>> right

3187
05:03:27,120 --> 05:03:34,638
» that is lower
than the attorney. Well,

3188
05:03:32,160 --> 05:03:40,638
one one of the things I think the city
can take a really good hard look at are

3189
05:03:37,440 --> 05:03:45,200
um development fees. So, the city
engineers spends time in the general

3190
05:03:43,040 --> 05:03:50,000
fund reviewing development permit
applications. So those fe development

3191
05:03:47,760 --> 05:03:54,638
permit application fees can be increased
to offset

3192
05:03:51,920 --> 05:03:59,280
the cost to the general fund for the
city engineer cuz he is one of the

3193
05:03:56,718 --> 05:04:03,360
primary plans reviewer
>> on site plans.

3194
05:04:00,560 --> 05:04:06,878
» So does that require a study and an act
of Tallahassee?

3195
05:04:05,520 --> 05:04:10,958
» No, [laughter] that one that one
doesn't. that has guard rails in the

3196
05:04:09,440 --> 05:04:15,680
statute and there's some new guardrails
that went in effect July 1st, but that's

3197
05:04:14,080 --> 05:04:20,878
that was one of the issues I was going
to talk about. We ran out of time at the

3198
05:04:17,760 --> 05:04:25,440
council meeting was that uh new law
imposing those new guard rails. But I

3199
05:04:23,200 --> 05:04:31,600
think taking the city engineers plans
review time and cost and passing it

3200
05:04:28,560 --> 05:04:38,320
along to development developers for
development permits

3201
05:04:33,120 --> 05:04:39,680
» is one way to recapture that expense.
>> Mr. Mayor,

3202
05:04:39,200 --> 05:04:45,760
» thank you.
>> May I pop in for just a moment? We have

3203
05:04:42,400 --> 05:04:51,520
pizza getting cold in the um conference
room. [laughter] Lisa went out and got

3204
05:04:48,718 --> 05:04:57,200
us something to eat. So um maybe we can
take a break at this point before the

3205
05:04:53,680 --> 05:05:02,878
pizza gets ice cold. [laughter]
>> Absolutely. I think u we should we

3206
05:05:00,320 --> 05:05:07,040
should take a break anyways. So council,
you want to do that and we'll try to get

3207
05:05:04,320 --> 05:05:10,638
back at it. And
>> yeah, we can think better with a full

3208
05:05:09,200 --> 05:05:16,240
stomach.
>> Yes. [laughter] I think that's helpful.

3209
05:05:12,718 --> 05:05:19,760
Um, okay. So, we're at 6:10 now. I think
break when we're all back in here, we

3210
05:05:17,920 --> 05:05:23,560
can reconvene.
>> Good. Thank you.

3211
05:05:20,320 --> 05:05:23,560
» Thank you.

3212
05:38:20,160 --> 05:38:23,160
4.5

3213
05:38:38,718 --> 05:38:41,664
me. [laughter]

3214
05:38:42,160 --> 05:38:45,160
Yeah.

3215
05:38:55,840 --> 05:39:03,878
» And then they I think they adjusted.
>> We're going to get started here in 30

3216
05:39:00,240 --> 05:39:03,878
seconds or so.

3217
05:39:14,240 --> 05:39:21,400
City clerk ready.
>> Just making sure. Thank you.

3218
05:39:21,600 --> 05:39:29,200
» All right, it's 6:44 p.m. We are
continuing on through our workshop

3219
05:39:26,718 --> 05:39:35,840
meeting here and I call the meeting back
to order. Stick to a recess. We were uh

3220
05:39:33,760 --> 05:39:42,558
acknowledging
some of the uh important things that I

3221
05:39:39,200 --> 05:39:48,718
think uh your city manager rightfully
covered in the reality of

3222
05:39:46,558 --> 05:39:54,480
we're two public hearings away from
making a final decision. uh we've seen

3223
05:39:51,680 --> 05:40:02,400
some of the in the presentation the the
impacts of uh a few different scenarios

3224
05:39:59,280 --> 05:40:09,760
and we're working through I think some
of the line items

3225
05:40:04,558 --> 05:40:16,320
um around payroll and the benefits and I
think um

3226
05:40:13,200 --> 05:40:24,638
couple of questions here on the revenue
side we we mentioned a 500,00 000 loan

3227
05:40:21,760 --> 05:40:31,520
potentially from the wastewater. Is that
now being something that

3228
05:40:28,638 --> 05:40:38,558
I is it in this budget? I didn't check
down at the bottom, but if not

3229
05:40:34,320 --> 05:40:42,558
» Mhm. the the loan, the inner fund loan
um we have taken away because after

3230
05:40:40,798 --> 05:40:45,760
further analysis, we realized it would
not help us build up our reserves.

3231
05:40:44,878 --> 05:40:50,000
» Okay.
um due to the accounting equation, we'd

3232
05:40:47,760 --> 05:40:54,958
get more money, but also our liabilities
would go up. So then the net effect

3233
05:40:52,240 --> 05:41:01,280
would be zero. Um where that type of
loan would be helpful would be uh

3234
05:40:57,360 --> 05:41:05,760
providing cash if a fund needed cash.
But since the purpose for for us to do

3235
05:41:03,760 --> 05:41:11,360
that loan was to rebuild reserves, it it
would not um affect the reserves.

3236
05:41:09,360 --> 05:41:18,798
» Makes total sense. But under an
emergency, if we needed to do something

3237
05:41:14,638 --> 05:41:23,840
that is a legal path um that does not
help [snorts]

3238
05:41:20,160 --> 05:41:29,080
our fund balance, um I think that that's
that's good to know. As far as uh

3239
05:41:29,600 --> 05:41:36,798
the enterprise as soon as the rate study
is done, what was the timing on that? Um

3240
05:41:34,958 --> 05:41:41,840
I kind of forgot where we left that off.
Did we vote to do that study?

3241
05:41:42,240 --> 05:41:47,878
for for the payment in L of franchise
fee idea

3242
05:41:48,798 --> 05:41:56,000
» the um sewer rate study is that this
fiscal year that's being

3243
05:41:53,840 --> 05:41:58,000
» we're paying for it in this current
fiscal year

3244
05:41:57,040 --> 05:42:03,600
» right
>> um no I'm sorry the the rate study I

3245
05:42:01,440 --> 05:42:09,040
believe is going to come out of next
fiscal year we've budgeted for it for

3246
05:42:05,760 --> 05:42:13,600
next fiscal year and um for the rate
study we've in contact with the vendor

3247
05:42:11,280 --> 05:42:18,718
asking them to take into account
potential um the payment in lie of

3248
05:42:15,840 --> 05:42:24,798
franchise fee and a potential return on
investment as well as general um rate

3249
05:42:22,798 --> 05:42:28,558
analysis.
Okay,

3250
05:42:26,558 --> 05:42:32,958
if we can go back to this slide. Thank
you. Uh the one that shows it's just a

3251
05:42:31,680 --> 05:42:37,760
few of them. We were bouncing around
that one.

3252
05:42:36,102 --> 05:42:44,718
[snorts] Um,
okay. So, we have 63 employees down at

3253
05:42:41,120 --> 05:42:53,200
the bottom there. Um, the 4 and 1/2 mil
would reduce it down to 50

3254
05:42:48,718 --> 05:43:02,798
total citywide with 13 lost.
Um, the general fund would see 15

3255
05:42:58,958 --> 05:43:06,558
out with two basically being paid out of
another fund.

3256
05:43:04,958 --> 05:43:09,680
Um,
so

3257
05:43:08,852 --> 05:43:18,638
[snorts]
possibly a third one, just a reminder.

3258
05:43:13,200 --> 05:43:23,440
» Okay, so that's that's like 13 positions
from the general fund eliminated with

3259
05:43:20,558 --> 05:43:28,320
two going over maybe three. So it'd be
eventually 12.

3260
05:43:25,840 --> 05:43:36,638
Um, or maybe it was the other way. I
think that where my head is in talking

3261
05:43:32,400 --> 05:43:43,760
through this is the benefits slide, the
one that showed the um I think it's the

3262
05:43:40,240 --> 05:43:49,760
that basically 4 and a half mills keeps
the benefits

3263
05:43:45,680 --> 05:43:54,400
for the remaining employees.
The I'm just saying middle of the road.

3264
05:43:52,160 --> 05:44:01,000
The 3
eight um Oh, I got it right here.

3265
05:43:58,000 --> 05:44:01,000
3.58.

3266
05:44:02,320 --> 05:44:14,080
That one also keeps
that one is the one that if we go that

3267
05:44:11,040 --> 05:44:19,520
low, it will remove
this slide right here. Reduce the city's

3268
05:44:16,240 --> 05:44:26,000
retirement to 12 to 3 and a half%.
>> Correct. Correct.

3269
05:44:21,840 --> 05:44:33,600
» Okay. And then what happens is 2%
cola still in there and Okay. So if I if

3270
05:44:30,080 --> 05:44:40,320
I was to go through this uh this budget
spreadsheet that we were provided and

3271
05:44:36,000 --> 05:44:47,680
I'm going to line item like 9% 3% I will
see those changes

3272
05:44:44,160 --> 05:44:53,280
um like this one for example under the
column. And if council doesn't see it up

3273
05:44:51,200 --> 05:44:59,440
at the very top on the front page that
you will see millage rates

3274
05:44:56,480 --> 05:45:06,000
um the over to the the the far right the
four that first preliminary one is sort

3275
05:45:02,718 --> 05:45:13,200
of that's the original budget that we
had.

3276
05:45:07,680 --> 05:45:20,160
Um thank you. It's column uh I think uh
K. Yeah. So, that one's sort of

3277
05:45:17,200 --> 05:45:26,480
just remembering where we left off. If
we were to go to our first printed

3278
05:45:22,000 --> 05:45:32,480
budget books, this is the
classification of how the money was

3279
05:45:28,320 --> 05:45:38,718
going to be um spent andor brought in
through revenue. The

3280
05:45:35,280 --> 05:45:44,240
column L is the one that if we went with
the the trim rate, we see an increase in

3281
05:45:41,440 --> 05:45:49,440
revenue. And if to get to the the
question

3282
05:45:46,240 --> 05:45:55,040
9% 3% we're going to see all that there.
I saw a big reduction in the total

3283
05:45:52,160 --> 05:46:02,558
salaries for Perka. So that represented
the the 10 I believe employees that that

3284
05:45:59,120 --> 05:46:09,520
was um stated in there and then the
other three I think two from C and D we

3285
05:46:05,760 --> 05:46:15,520
would see in this. Okay. So if we go to
the [snorts] 3.58

3286
05:46:12,798 --> 05:46:20,160
if I understand that slide it said can
we go down to the retirement any one of

3287
05:46:18,400 --> 05:46:23,760
them I would imagine it would impact all
of them I think it would be ex um

3288
05:46:22,160 --> 05:46:29,120
administrative would probably be the
first one so keep going down

3289
05:46:27,280 --> 05:46:35,040
um
without seeing the column I think and if

3290
05:46:31,520 --> 05:46:39,600
you I mean wanted to hide columns
D through H

3291
05:46:37,200 --> 05:46:42,600
Maybe just to so we can see the row that
might

3292
05:46:42,798 --> 05:46:48,798
There we go. Thank you. Okay, that's
great. So there it is. You're on it. Go

3293
05:46:47,440 --> 05:46:51,520
down a little bit lower.
>> 124

3294
05:46:49,360 --> 05:46:57,120
» below.
Okay, so right there for example,

3295
05:46:53,760 --> 05:47:03,520
retirement uh 9%.
The the

3296
05:47:00,080 --> 05:47:12,000
K was the uh original budget. We had
89,000 in retirement. The uh 4 1/.5 mil

3297
05:47:08,798 --> 05:47:18,080
column L has 81,000. That I think might
have just been did it reduced maybe for

3298
05:47:16,000 --> 05:47:24,958
other reasons personnel. There wasn't a
decrease in the retirement. Um

3299
05:47:21,280 --> 05:47:29,280
and then the uh 25,000
that's basically what the 3% would be.

3300
05:47:28,558 --> 05:47:37,200
» Correct.
>> Okay, I see. Um, where does 2% does that

3301
05:47:34,638 --> 05:47:40,240
is that just inside the executive salary
line item one in row 119?

3302
05:47:39,760 --> 05:47:43,600
» Correct.
>> So it's automat and is the 3% in there

3303
05:47:42,638 --> 05:47:46,958
as well?
>> Correct.

3304
05:47:44,160 --> 05:47:52,400
» I see. So we set a budget with the 2%
and the 3% and put it all into executive

3305
05:47:49,440 --> 05:47:57,760
salaries. Okay,
makes sense. Um,

3306
05:47:55,600 --> 05:48:01,920
is the automobile allowance with the
city manager contract? Is that what

3307
05:47:59,760 --> 05:48:05,680
Okay, that's what I thought. Just making
sure. And that's the only one. Yeah,

3308
05:48:04,240 --> 05:48:15,558
that would make sense. It's I think it
was like 500. And that health insurance

3309
05:48:11,280 --> 05:48:15,558
of uh

3310
05:48:16,558 --> 05:48:26,840
I think it's the 125.
>> Mhm. That's the the 198 is the um

3311
05:48:28,400 --> 05:48:36,638
» the 4.5 right
>> and and the reduction in that line of

3312
05:48:34,160 --> 05:48:43,680
126 that's highlighted that would be
because of as personnel are taken away

3313
05:48:40,400 --> 05:48:48,240
the the contribution would be gone as
well. So it's the the percent didn't

3314
05:48:45,840 --> 05:48:51,920
change it's just paying for less
people's life and health insurance.

3315
05:48:50,240 --> 05:48:56,638
That's why that goes down.
>> Okay. I guess I didn't know that

3316
05:48:54,320 --> 05:49:04,040
administration went from 10 to Oh, it
does. It reduces by three. Makes perfect

3317
05:48:59,040 --> 05:49:04,040
sense. Okay. So,

3318
05:49:06,958 --> 05:49:10,760
here's where I am.

3319
05:49:10,798 --> 05:49:18,040
What is the the I guess reasoning that
we would

3320
05:49:21,200 --> 05:49:33,600
think it's better to remove an employee
as opposed to potentially reducing

3321
05:49:29,520 --> 05:49:37,840
benefits for a short period of time.
I can think of logical rational reasons

3322
05:49:36,000 --> 05:49:41,760
why, but these are decisions that we
don't have all the the knowledge or the

3323
05:49:39,520 --> 05:49:45,920
info. I guess the better question be was
that considered and is the

3324
05:49:43,680 --> 05:49:52,080
recommendation that it would be better
to keep benefits as opposed to losing

3325
05:49:49,040 --> 05:49:57,360
positions that provide services. We were
trying to keep all employees that

3326
05:49:53,840 --> 05:50:03,120
remained employed as whole as possible.
And uh we looked at the reduction of

3327
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:07,440
benefits should the council come in at a
much lower millage rate where the only

3328
05:50:05,600 --> 05:50:13,080
way to meet that millage rate would be
to reduce benefits across the board as

3329
05:50:09,680 --> 05:50:13,080
presented here.

3330
05:50:15,120 --> 05:50:23,360
Okay. What were the items that fire
identified that brought in the

3331
05:50:21,360 --> 05:50:28,480
reduction? I think it was 200 something
thousand.

3332
05:50:24,958 --> 05:50:33,520
They did not have to make a substantial
contribution to their pension.

3333
05:50:31,280 --> 05:50:37,600
Their pension did not require that this
year. So,

3334
05:50:36,240 --> 05:50:40,000
» and that was it? Just
>> that was it? Yeah.

3335
05:50:39,120 --> 05:50:44,718
» Okay.
>> I can't tell you what it'll be next

3336
05:50:41,840 --> 05:50:49,440
year. I do know they from a pension
standpoint, I do know they're going to

3337
05:50:46,718 --> 05:50:53,760
hit us up for half of a fire truck again
next year.

3338
05:50:51,360 --> 05:50:57,120
So, was that an error or or did they
take a

3339
05:50:55,760 --> 05:51:00,160
» should that have not been in there in
the first place or

3340
05:50:58,798 --> 05:51:06,320
» what the 214?
>> Yeah, the the pension contribution.

3341
05:51:02,240 --> 05:51:12,080
» So, in managing a a pension fund, it's
all about how actuarily sound the fund

3342
05:51:08,718 --> 05:51:16,878
is. and with contributions and
investments uh when those uh that

3343
05:51:14,958 --> 05:51:20,400
information comes in the actuary
calculates

3344
05:51:18,240 --> 05:51:24,878
» and then they come up with a number and
every year that'll vary. So I guess if

3345
05:51:22,638 --> 05:51:29,920
their investments were doing well then
that enables them to reduce their own

3346
05:51:27,680 --> 05:51:35,040
actual contribution which means they can
return that to us.

3347
05:51:32,240 --> 05:51:41,520
» See that makes sense.
If we were to total up 9%

3348
05:51:38,798 --> 05:51:46,638
um
my math may not be perfect, but I I I

3349
05:51:44,000 --> 05:51:51,638
think at least off that original budget,
like we were going back and forth with

3350
05:51:48,320 --> 05:51:51,638
the insurance,

3351
05:51:53,120 --> 05:51:56,680
it was

3352
05:51:59,840 --> 05:52:03,878
uh here we go. So,

3353
05:52:07,440 --> 05:52:17,680
the 9% citywide out of the general fund,
not including wastewater and storm water

3354
05:52:12,480 --> 05:52:21,360
fund prior to these was um
for both the nine and the three. It used

3355
05:52:19,520 --> 05:52:29,840
to be five or seven and a three. It was
like 158,000 back in 2021

3356
05:52:24,878 --> 05:52:32,840
and and then it slowly grew 207,023
238,024

3357
05:52:33,920 --> 05:52:43,120
25 it went to 274,000
and then we saw a big jump from 25 to 26

3358
05:52:40,638 --> 05:52:48,718
to $350,000.
And this year we've got budgeted

3359
05:52:46,480 --> 05:52:53,798
according to my math if you add up all
the departments in the general fund

3360
05:52:50,798 --> 05:52:53,798
$389,000.

3361
05:52:54,958 --> 05:53:04,000
So we've averaged 250,000 over
21 through the through the proposed

3362
05:53:01,840 --> 05:53:10,878
budget and five of those years are
actuals. But I guess that one jumps out

3363
05:53:07,200 --> 05:53:19,280
at me. Um
390,000. And now we know it's not that

3364
05:53:13,760 --> 05:53:23,360
high, but what how many um
let's go back to the slide with the

3365
05:53:20,958 --> 05:53:30,400
positions that showed uh the reductions
from 4 and 1/2 to three. Thank you so

3366
05:53:26,080 --> 05:53:34,120
much for going back and forth here. Uh
there's no change

3367
05:53:36,160 --> 05:53:42,798
in CE
D.

3368
05:53:41,520 --> 05:53:46,320
Well, I guess it depends what we're
looking I mean the four and a half mil

3369
05:53:45,040 --> 05:53:53,760
there's no change in the current.
There's five reduction which is really

3370
05:53:48,160 --> 05:53:57,440
three um but two are going over and so
um

3371
05:53:55,360 --> 05:54:01,360
though can we talk about the CED
building and code what functions or what

3372
05:53:59,360 --> 05:54:07,280
is the level of service drop at 4 and a
half mills with the reduction of the

3373
05:54:04,638 --> 05:54:12,240
three I think I remember some of it some
of the responsibilities if is today

3374
05:54:10,000 --> 05:54:17,520
would we consider the level of service
excellent or good or fair and just

3375
05:54:15,520 --> 05:54:22,080
trying to talk in broad terms, what
would this reduction

3376
05:54:20,160 --> 05:54:29,200
um
what would it go to from 11 to 6 or 11

3377
05:54:25,920 --> 05:54:34,320
to 8, however we want to look at it.
Thank you. Um I made it up here. Okay.

3378
05:54:32,718 --> 05:54:39,360
Um
uh so yes, we'd be looking at a staff of

3379
05:54:37,280 --> 05:54:43,440
six in the department and the main cuts
in terms of day-to-day service would

3380
05:54:41,600 --> 05:54:48,240
both mostly be focused in code
enforcement. maybe losing two dedicated

3381
05:54:46,080 --> 05:54:52,320
officers and an admin to the division,
leaving us with one code enforcement

3382
05:54:50,798 --> 05:54:58,798
officer.
I think that would represent uh uh mayor

3383
05:54:56,798 --> 05:55:04,080
in in the scale that you just provided
probably service to fair at the best. Um

3384
05:55:01,680 --> 05:55:07,440
just because it would be a lot. There's
like 42 open code enforcement cases

3385
05:55:06,080 --> 05:55:13,120
right now. they deal with a lot of
things related to elicit discharge, uh,

3386
05:55:10,320 --> 05:55:17,440
you know, construction issues, beach,
uh, problems that have arisen. Um, and

3387
05:55:16,000 --> 05:55:22,480
then I think in terms of the other
employees, you know, we'd honestly be

3388
05:55:20,080 --> 05:55:27,280
taking on several
components of parka as well. So, we

3389
05:55:25,920 --> 05:55:31,680
would become the department that would
probably deal with the website, social

3390
05:55:29,600 --> 05:55:37,120
media, we'd have to deal with rentals of
the facilities that are left. um we take

3391
05:55:34,718 --> 05:55:42,958
on emergency management roles that
Molly's department was taking on. Um so

3392
05:55:40,798 --> 05:55:50,000
we would we would try and continue some
of those functions um as needed. Uh so I

3393
05:55:47,440 --> 05:55:56,718
think overall it would definitely be a
lot of hats would come to us um on top

3394
05:55:53,200 --> 05:56:00,878
of the ones that we already have. Um but
that's what we're currently looking at.

3395
05:55:58,878 --> 05:56:05,520
Well, and so at 4 and a half mills,
you're I still see five perka, but are

3396
05:56:03,360 --> 05:56:09,360
we saying that
>> you would still absorb no perk

3397
05:56:07,920 --> 05:56:15,440
responsibilities at four and a half?
>> No, at 4 and 1/2 um there would be still

3398
05:56:12,320 --> 05:56:20,080
some parker left. Uh that would be for
the the other scenarios three and a half

3399
05:56:18,080 --> 05:56:24,798
or 32.
>> Mhm.

3400
05:56:21,760 --> 05:56:30,160
And Okay. So I see. So well that's
helpful going ahead and really see an E

3401
05:56:27,600 --> 05:56:34,638
it is not recommended to go lower and
now are you explaining that

3402
05:56:31,600 --> 05:56:38,958
» yeah honestly maxed out this is about
this is as low as we can go last week we

3403
05:56:36,558 --> 05:56:44,878
cut additional like what like 77,000
from the budget with operating supplies

3404
05:56:41,040 --> 05:56:52,480
and um all conferences training's gone
um so we we are just about there

3405
05:56:48,718 --> 05:56:56,000
» yep these are um this is helpful perka
can we ask kind of

3406
05:56:54,000 --> 05:57:05,200
And if it's just a matter of going back
through what was already stated, same

3407
05:57:00,080 --> 05:57:12,080
from going to 15 to 4 and a half from
I'm sorry, from 15 to five a net loss of

3408
05:57:08,400 --> 05:57:17,718
10. Um,
refresh me. I guess the facilities are

3409
05:57:18,000 --> 05:57:26,400
closed with the five three
infrastructure maintenance workers.

3410
05:57:23,600 --> 05:57:29,040
So today facilities open just
>> we don't have infrastructure

3411
05:57:27,360 --> 05:57:32,000
maintenance. We'll just call them parks
maintenance parks maintenance.

3412
05:57:30,320 --> 05:57:39,080
» Parks maintenance so that okay no one
gets confused. So, um, could you pull up

3413
05:57:35,840 --> 05:57:39,080
that one?

3414
05:57:48,160 --> 05:57:57,360
Okay. So, if you do the four,
those are the services that our facil

3415
05:57:55,840 --> 05:58:03,600
are that those five people would
continue to provide. If you go to four,

3416
05:58:00,400 --> 05:58:08,480
if you go lower than the 4.5,
those responsibilities would defer to

3417
05:58:06,798 --> 05:58:13,840
the public works infrastructure
maintenance folks and Zach's team.

3418
05:58:11,840 --> 05:58:19,200
» Yeah, we would be we would especially a
lot of that communication stuff that

3419
05:58:15,840 --> 05:58:22,320
would probably all befall to us looking
at it.

3420
05:58:21,040 --> 05:58:25,840
» The maintenance
>> communications

3421
05:58:23,440 --> 05:58:29,520
» and the maintenance would be absorbed by
public works. That one person over in

3422
05:58:28,160 --> 05:58:32,558
infrastructure maintenance. Yes,
>> the question. Okay,

3423
05:58:30,798 --> 05:58:37,600
» I think we're down to one
>> over there. 3.5. I think that was the

3424
05:58:36,240 --> 05:58:41,120
» I think that's 32.
>> Yeah, that's at the roll back rate. We

3425
05:58:39,600 --> 05:58:46,000
have more. I don't know. Joey went to
pull up the slide to be sure, but CED

3426
05:58:44,480 --> 05:58:50,840
probably be taking on the contracts and
permits as well. The lower one,

3427
05:58:51,280 --> 05:58:59,760
if you go to the other one. Um so so we
can be clear.

3428
05:58:57,120 --> 05:59:06,160
Um so
at the 4.5

3429
05:59:01,840 --> 05:59:14,000
parka will have five people made up of a
director, a community engagement

3430
05:59:09,520 --> 05:59:19,280
um employee and three parka maintenance
employees. And the idea is for those

3431
05:59:16,320 --> 05:59:24,400
three people to maintain the um the
buildings, the park of buildings, the

3432
05:59:21,680 --> 05:59:30,958
C5, Nancy Hansen, those buildings,
>> 27 acres of parkland

3433
05:59:27,200 --> 05:59:35,120
» and that is at the 4.5. Anything lower
would would be without any of those five

3434
05:59:33,360 --> 05:59:39,040
parka employees
>> and three of them are maintenance,

3435
05:59:37,520 --> 05:59:42,638
» grounds, facilities.
>> Grounds and facilities.

3436
05:59:40,240 --> 05:59:47,360
» Is that right? Did I say it right? Okay.
So the the three well I guess where I'm

3437
05:59:44,558 --> 05:59:50,680
getting confused is it goes to zero at
the 3.58

3438
05:59:50,798 --> 05:59:57,600
another is but there's five in
infrastructure maintenance will one of

3439
05:59:55,440 --> 06:00:02,638
those five in infrastructure maintenance
be responsible for the perka

3440
06:00:00,240 --> 06:00:07,200
» and at the they would have to be because
I wouldn't be here

3441
06:00:03,760 --> 06:00:10,958
» right yeah those five remaining in IM
would take care of maintaining all city

3442
06:00:09,680 --> 06:00:15,760
facilities
>> and we talk just taking it's very clear

3443
06:00:13,520 --> 06:00:17,200
if a facility's closed the change in
level of service.

3444
06:00:16,798 --> 06:00:24,878
» Mhm.
>> Right. That makes total sense to me. But

3445
06:00:21,600 --> 06:00:28,718
if we own property, we have to take care
of it.

3446
06:00:27,440 --> 06:00:33,120
» We do. And I'm glad you pointed that
out, mayor, because it's difficult for

3447
06:00:30,638 --> 06:00:36,718
us to enforce code on people who aren't
taking care of their property when we're

3448
06:00:34,638 --> 06:00:41,638
not taking care of our own.
>> Yes. And so my question is

3449
06:00:42,718 --> 06:00:49,200
in the 15 we have three grounds
maintenance today.

3450
06:00:46,718 --> 06:00:53,680
» Okay. So there would be no reduction in
grounds maintenance. I would think that

3451
06:00:51,840 --> 06:00:57,520
it might even reduce a little if the
facilities aren't being used but who

3452
06:00:56,080 --> 06:01:04,798
knows might increase for some other
reasons but grounds maintenance is not

3453
06:01:01,360 --> 06:01:09,200
reduced from current the current. I
would never recommend reducing grounds

3454
06:01:06,878 --> 06:01:14,160
maintenance. It's taken me since I've
taken over this department to get that

3455
06:01:11,600 --> 06:01:16,240
27 acres managed by more than one
person.

3456
06:01:15,360 --> 06:01:21,920
» Y
>> from 2014 and actually probably before,

3457
06:01:19,120 --> 06:01:29,840
but I can't speak to too much before
until 2021,

3458
06:01:25,200 --> 06:01:33,680
I believe, Ian managed all of those 27
acres. and don't even consider buildings

3459
06:01:32,240 --> 06:01:39,360
because the people that work inside
those buildings do a lot of the interior

3460
06:01:36,000 --> 06:01:44,080
stuff that goes into doing that. So, I
would never recommend getting rid of any

3461
06:01:42,240 --> 06:01:52,080
maintenance with that amount of ground
to cover, especially if you're talking

3462
06:01:46,878 --> 06:01:59,760
about um reducing the amount of
um money being spent to a contracted

3463
06:01:55,120 --> 06:02:04,400
service to do your mowing. just that
that alone you're going to need all

3464
06:02:01,760 --> 06:02:10,718
three of those people
>> especially if a storm's coming too.

3465
06:02:07,200 --> 06:02:19,120
» Yeah. So I think um
it's it goes to zero here. Are we

3466
06:02:14,958 --> 06:02:24,320
and IM is taking a twoerson reduction as
well. So if you add

3467
06:02:21,760 --> 06:02:30,638
the three perka grounds maintenance plus
the 7 IM that's 10 it's going to five is

3468
06:02:28,400 --> 06:02:39,440
can we talk about the level of service
decrease at the 3.58 just on

3469
06:02:35,840 --> 06:02:43,280
grounds maintenance and if existing
infrastructure maintenance workers are

3470
06:02:41,280 --> 06:02:49,040
now having to take care of properties
they did not I would imagine there's a

3471
06:02:47,040 --> 06:02:55,440
opportunity cost they're they're not
doing something else. Do we have an idea

3472
06:02:52,160 --> 06:03:01,040
of how that will impact
um IM and Perka?

3473
06:02:58,240 --> 06:03:05,440
» Yes. Hey David.
Right. [clears throat]

3474
06:03:02,718 --> 06:03:10,080
» So
um

3475
06:03:07,360 --> 06:03:16,638
if it goes to the uh 3.5 and that's
where two infrastructure maintenance

3476
06:03:12,798 --> 06:03:20,558
employees are taken off
uh the R I'm just going to read this

3477
06:03:18,558 --> 06:03:26,718
right out. The remaining staff would
effectively be limited to mowing duties

3478
06:03:23,920 --> 06:03:31,840
with significant uh and immediate impact
on the city's ability to maintain its

3479
06:03:28,958 --> 06:03:36,240
infrastructure, respond to issues,
support public safety, and provide many

3480
06:03:34,480 --> 06:03:41,320
of the services residents and visitors
rely upon.

3481
06:03:38,320 --> 06:03:41,320
Um,

3482
06:03:42,160 --> 06:03:46,400
so some of the things that you would
start to see go away right away.

3483
06:03:46,080 --> 06:03:51,680
» Mhm.
>> Storm drain cleaning,

3484
06:03:48,638 --> 06:03:56,878
heavy debris removal, storm water baffle
box inspections, flooding cleanup from

3485
06:03:54,320 --> 06:04:01,920
storm water, beach end crossover
inspections, maintenance and rebuilding,

3486
06:03:59,520 --> 06:04:05,120
beach cleaning and inspections. And this
would be because we would have to be

3487
06:04:03,200 --> 06:04:10,480
maintaining the grass, just mowing
grass. That's kind of all we'd be able

3488
06:04:08,480 --> 06:04:17,440
to do.
>> It's either we do the these jobs or we

3489
06:04:13,600 --> 06:04:23,360
mow grass. One or the other.
Uh resetting removing moy mats including

3490
06:04:20,718 --> 06:04:29,840
during hurricane preparations.
BCSO uh drain AC drain maintenance,

3491
06:04:27,200 --> 06:04:34,480
building plumbing and other AC
maintenance there.

3492
06:04:31,920 --> 06:04:37,760
assisting BCSO with accident cleanups
and replacement of signage and street

3493
06:04:36,240 --> 06:04:42,718
lights,
oil changes, which we've just actually

3494
06:04:40,000 --> 06:04:48,558
uh taken on. We're we're taking on the
city's 33 vehicles doing service on all

3495
06:04:45,920 --> 06:04:53,200
those. So, that would sort of go on the
side as well, too.

3496
06:04:50,638 --> 06:04:57,120
Um, hurricane prep, filling sandbags,
moving sand to the park in case we have

3497
06:04:54,638 --> 06:05:01,520
to do that.
Um, emergency heavy equipment

3498
06:04:59,360 --> 06:05:06,638
maintenance, city hall cleaning and
maintenance, city hall AC maintenance

3499
06:05:03,840 --> 06:05:13,120
and minor repairs, public works cleaning
and maintenance, public works AC

3500
06:05:09,440 --> 06:05:17,760
maintenance, public works weed spraying,
assisting parks and wreck with parks and

3501
06:05:14,798 --> 06:05:22,638
wreck. Well, that we would just abs like
take that on anyway with any parks and

3502
06:05:20,080 --> 06:05:27,440
wreck stuff that needed to be done.
FPL and solar light street street street

3503
06:05:24,480 --> 06:05:33,680
street light inspections
and maintenance on those solar lights

3504
06:05:30,480 --> 06:05:39,120
palm tree trimming. There's uh 1172 palm
trees that we just took on this year

3505
06:05:35,680 --> 06:05:43,680
with the budget that we've already cut.
We would have to maintain all those as

3506
06:05:40,718 --> 06:05:47,920
well too which we already do but we just
took that on.

3507
06:05:45,760 --> 06:05:54,000
Um, irrigation inspections and repairs
over all our uh, medians, rightaways

3508
06:05:51,440 --> 06:05:58,080
where we have irrigation, pruning all
the city trees, super important. That's

3509
06:05:56,240 --> 06:06:03,760
how the fire trucks get down the road
without getting uh, pieces torn off of

3510
06:06:00,958 --> 06:06:08,160
them or limbs dropped because they've
caught onto a big branch trying to get

3511
06:06:05,280 --> 06:06:11,760
to somebody's house.
uh straightening and replacing street

3512
06:06:09,840 --> 06:06:17,040
signs,
uh

3513
06:06:13,360 --> 06:06:21,200
inspections on roads, co planting, the
drown zero stations, we relocate those

3514
06:06:19,120 --> 06:06:26,558
every time the tide moves up too high or
we have like a big event. Um we wouldn't

3515
06:06:24,000 --> 06:06:31,280
be able to do that as often.
uh the seasonal banner replacement, any

3516
06:06:29,120 --> 06:06:35,600
striping that goes on in the streets and
and parking lots, city holiday

3517
06:06:33,840 --> 06:06:39,680
decorations,
flag lowering like we just had to do

3518
06:06:37,360 --> 06:06:45,320
this past week. That would all become
second to basically mowing

3519
06:06:45,920 --> 06:06:54,400
uh Thanksgiving and Christmas lunches
and reindeer run support. So th those

3520
06:06:51,440 --> 06:06:58,480
are just some of the things that IM does
regularly.

3521
06:06:56,000 --> 06:07:01,200
Uh there's many more things that we do.
These are just some of the ones that

3522
06:06:59,520 --> 06:07:05,440
were noted.
There's a lot of uh there's a lot of odd

3523
06:07:04,000 --> 06:07:07,920
things that pop up on a day-to-day
basis.

3524
06:07:07,360 --> 06:07:10,958
» Thank you, Dave.
>> Does that help you at all?

3525
06:07:08,878 --> 06:07:18,400
» 100%. That's excellent.
>> IM is really important. Um I I see the

3526
06:07:15,360 --> 06:07:22,480
rationale. There's no compromise on IM
at the 4 and a half mil, right? It goes

3527
06:07:20,320 --> 06:07:28,878
7 to 7 to three grounds maintenance
taking over the 20 plus acres of perkas

3528
06:07:26,000 --> 06:07:36,400
there. I guess where I
what what the 3.2546

3529
06:07:33,280 --> 06:07:42,400
mills rolled back that that's basically
the same amount of money in tax revenue

3530
06:07:38,878 --> 06:07:48,798
that we had last year.
Why

3531
06:07:44,480 --> 06:07:54,680
are we not why do we have to remove
30

3532
06:07:50,798 --> 06:07:54,680
29 employees

3533
06:07:54,878 --> 06:08:02,320
just by maintaining the seven the same
amount of revenue last year? This is

3534
06:07:59,920 --> 06:08:06,320
actually not even a decrease in tax
revenue at all. With new construction,

3535
06:08:04,638 --> 06:08:13,718
it'll probably be a little bit more
money. H how are we so far off?

3536
06:08:10,718 --> 06:08:13,718
Um,

3537
06:08:14,958 --> 06:08:21,840
I guess that that's what I don't
understand is we were able to do it on

3538
06:08:18,798 --> 06:08:28,480
six and I'm I'm not
blind to the realities of how we were

3539
06:08:24,000 --> 06:08:33,200
balancing budgets, but is this the
one I am? No. Perka, I guess I don't

3540
06:08:32,080 --> 06:08:39,280
understand.
>> Mhm. um this so for example

3541
06:08:37,120 --> 06:08:44,958
the current fiscal year we're in we
relied on five over $5 million of um

3542
06:08:43,040 --> 06:08:51,280
reserves.
So we are planning on a city to function

3543
06:08:49,280 --> 06:08:57,760
without the use of reserves. So
therefore taking away $5 million

3544
06:08:54,320 --> 06:09:03,040
and this is the cost of making up um of
balancing the budget without the use of

3545
06:08:59,760 --> 06:09:06,240
reserves from the past.
But we didn't have the five million in

3546
06:09:04,878 --> 06:09:12,558
reserves.
>> We engaged in deficit spending. We we

3547
06:09:10,000 --> 06:09:16,480
planned to spend money we didn't have.
>> The budget was approved on money we

3548
06:09:14,638 --> 06:09:21,718
didn't have.
So this leaves me I mean does our city

3549
06:09:22,834 --> 06:09:28,080
[clears throat]
broadly I guess to be a city manager

3550
06:09:25,360 --> 06:09:32,958
question and if the directors have to
add in

3551
06:09:30,000 --> 06:09:38,400
14 which I think I'm not sure what the
transfers to the storm water if those

3552
06:09:34,718 --> 06:09:43,480
would be in the 14 the two but what I
think 14 is fine.

3553
06:09:44,480 --> 06:09:52,160
What is
does

3554
06:09:48,400 --> 06:09:55,840
IM just not get done or one whatever one
person does is that what we're

3555
06:09:53,680 --> 06:10:02,080
» well I think we should go to that slide
Joey to show who's left who those 14

3556
06:09:59,040 --> 06:10:06,400
people are and we can explain it from
there and I I go back to the beginning

3557
06:10:03,920 --> 06:10:11,680
of the presentation where we tried to
identify the bare minimum people that

3558
06:10:08,558 --> 06:10:17,760
you need to operate a city um and that
would be a city manager city clerk's

3559
06:10:14,080 --> 06:10:22,718
office, finance, human resources,
um, in your community, uh, and economic

3560
06:10:20,638 --> 06:10:27,520
development. You you need someone to run
that department. You have to have a

3561
06:10:24,718 --> 06:10:33,120
planner, someone to do code, uh, someone
who's got to do building permits, um, an

3562
06:10:30,480 --> 06:10:37,440
engineer because he's he's saving the
city money right now. He hasn't started

3563
06:10:35,360 --> 06:10:41,600
to earn more than what we pay him, but I
think in the future he'll pay for

3564
06:10:38,798 --> 06:10:48,958
himself. and a department operations
manager um who's your literal jack of

3565
06:10:45,520 --> 06:10:55,280
all trades doing everything that
everyone else isn't doing. Um and and

3566
06:10:52,958 --> 06:10:59,120
those are your two most important you
know services right there CED and

3567
06:10:57,600 --> 06:11:05,200
administration.
Um

3568
06:11:00,958 --> 06:11:09,600
we park doesn't exist at this point. So,
in order to beef up infrastructure

3569
06:11:07,200 --> 06:11:15,840
maintenance
at that rate, 3.2 mills,

3570
06:11:13,840 --> 06:11:21,120
something else is going to have to go.
Um,

3571
06:11:17,360 --> 06:11:28,320
and we'll have to double up. So just
starting from the top um you get rid of

3572
06:11:25,280 --> 06:11:33,040
one of the clerks then that one person
does everything public record requests

3573
06:11:30,878 --> 06:11:36,080
transcribes all minutes unless you know
someone can help us like they are right

3574
06:11:34,638 --> 06:11:42,000
now because we're behind and they're
doing it for free. Um, if you eliminate

3575
06:11:39,280 --> 06:11:47,680
human resources altogether, someone has
to wear the human resources hat when it

3576
06:11:44,000 --> 06:11:51,840
comes to h, excuse me, hiring claims,
insurance,

3577
06:11:49,520 --> 06:11:55,760
um, finance department. If you got rid
of another one there, then you're

3578
06:11:53,200 --> 06:11:59,840
looking at, you know, I don't know that
that that would even work.

3579
06:11:58,320 --> 06:12:04,480
You can eliminate code enforcement
altogether if you want to beef up

3580
06:12:02,240 --> 06:12:09,360
infrastructure maintenance, but no city
can operate without code enforcement.

3581
06:12:07,600 --> 06:12:16,000
you get rid of a department operations.
And mind you, these people who are left

3582
06:12:13,040 --> 06:12:21,200
are doing all of the things that were
not being done by the people who lost

3583
06:12:18,638 --> 06:12:25,920
their job to the extent that they're
humanly able to do that. And to, you

3584
06:12:24,080 --> 06:12:32,400
know,
again, what service levels will we be

3585
06:12:29,840 --> 06:12:35,840
delivering to our community at that
point?

3586
06:12:33,840 --> 06:12:40,480
I look at this scenario and it is
absolutely not sustainable.

3587
06:12:39,200 --> 06:12:44,718
» Yeah. Just the infrastructure
maintenance on one I one can't

3588
06:12:42,612 --> 06:12:48,718
[clears throat] take care of the
necessities,

3589
06:12:46,558 --> 06:12:54,520
right? I mean that's not this isn't
going so it would be poor service at

3590
06:12:50,798 --> 06:12:54,520
least in that area.

3591
06:12:59,360 --> 06:13:07,600
Council member Shy, I also want to point
out one role that I think is essential

3592
06:13:05,120 --> 06:13:12,000
is the executive assistant for the city
manager because Keith's a talented guy,

3593
06:13:09,920 --> 06:13:14,160
but we're wasting our money. If we're
going to have him answering phones and

3594
06:13:13,120 --> 06:13:19,520
making appointments and that kind of
stuff, he needs somebody to handle that.

3595
06:13:16,798 --> 06:13:25,440
No matter what rate we wind up at, we
need to add that position back, I think.

3596
06:13:22,480 --> 06:13:31,200
» Yeah. I don't think it's Oh, yeah. That
that's from the 10. We lose that at at

3597
06:13:28,480 --> 06:13:35,280
358 and 3246.
>> Yep.

3598
06:13:33,040 --> 06:13:45,520
I think
can we does this one show that can IM

3599
06:13:42,718 --> 06:13:52,000
can the maintenance be maintained
with one person? I guess there just be

3600
06:13:48,400 --> 06:13:55,680
things that would not get done. Right.
>> Mayor, if I may.

3601
06:13:53,440 --> 06:14:00,878
» Yep. roll back is in here because you
wanted to see like a zerobased budget

3602
06:13:59,040 --> 06:14:05,600
and I'm just going to ask out of all
politeness if you want to entertain a

3603
06:14:03,600 --> 06:14:11,280
conversation about the reality of this
mill rate could you poll the council to

3604
06:14:08,718 --> 06:14:16,878
see if they think this is a reality so
we can focus on it if this majority

3605
06:14:14,400 --> 06:14:21,200
thinks this is a reality or can we focus
on what is a reality because I'm telling

3606
06:14:19,200 --> 06:14:23,920
you as your city manager that's not
sustainable

3607
06:14:22,400 --> 06:14:28,798
» and I don't think polling one's
appropriate. City attorney can Robert's

3608
06:14:26,558 --> 06:14:37,280
rules of order, but um yeah, I think
that council can speak uh absolutely to

3609
06:14:31,920 --> 06:14:41,040
what they want. Um I I I'll get I just
this was given to us 48 hours ago and I

3610
06:14:39,760 --> 06:14:47,440
know and I'm not saying that that's
wrong, right? So we are just now really

3611
06:14:43,920 --> 06:14:55,600
understanding it. Okay, we have and and
that's not a complaint but and

3612
06:14:52,638 --> 06:14:58,400
» I'm just recalling prior conversation
about the reality of this millage rate

3613
06:14:57,360 --> 06:15:02,798
with you sir.
>> Okay. But does this

3614
06:15:01,120 --> 06:15:08,480
can we go back to the slide that shows
the 4 the general fund staffing by mill

3615
06:15:05,600 --> 06:15:14,000
scenario
>> when we go to 14 is everyone paid full

3616
06:15:11,040 --> 06:15:19,440
salary?
I think the retirement

3617
06:15:16,080 --> 06:15:23,440
» at at 14 at rolled back and I'll go to
the slide that says this. So at rolled

3618
06:15:21,360 --> 06:15:25,360
back where we have 14 general fund
staff.

3619
06:15:24,080 --> 06:15:30,718
» Yep.
>> Um there will be a required one furlow

3620
06:15:28,320 --> 06:15:37,440
day per pay period
which would reduce um 10% off of salary

3621
06:15:34,878 --> 06:15:42,000
which would be savings towards the city.
The employee would receive 10% less

3622
06:15:39,760 --> 06:15:47,680
salary than normal. there would be no
retirement contribution and no um raises

3623
06:15:45,360 --> 06:15:51,280
throughout the year.
That is how we got the budget to balance

3624
06:15:50,958 --> 06:15:55,760
back
>> at rolled back. Yes.

3625
06:15:52,638 --> 06:15:59,520
» Okay. There would be no pay deductions
though from the year prior

3626
06:15:57,760 --> 06:16:03,044
» other than
>> Go ahead.

3627
06:16:00,160 --> 06:16:07,760
» I'm sorry. Um there would be
[clears throat] in effect a 10% pay

3628
06:16:04,958 --> 06:16:12,120
reductions to all city staff who remain
at this at rolled back.

3629
06:16:12,718 --> 06:16:19,600
If keeping the $100,000 example, if an
employee has just paid $100,000 not

3630
06:16:17,280 --> 06:16:24,878
including benefits and they would have
made like 133 with your formula, I

3631
06:16:22,480 --> 06:16:30,558
totally get that the 33 would not come
in. Mike, when I say a pay reduction,

3632
06:16:29,040 --> 06:16:35,120
they're going to go into the next year
and they're going to get 90,000. Okay,

3633
06:16:34,160 --> 06:16:41,958
» that is correct.
>> Okay, so they're so

3634
06:16:37,680 --> 06:16:41,958
Thank you. Um,

3635
06:16:45,680 --> 06:16:56,320
I cannot look at a presentation
and and make a well-informed decision. I

3636
06:16:54,080 --> 06:17:02,638
trust
our team. I haven't been a always been

3637
06:16:59,360 --> 06:17:09,840
able to say that. I genuinely believe
that everyone here is trying to bring

3638
06:17:05,680 --> 06:17:17,040
forward the best thing they can,
but there's a lot of pressure in the

3639
06:17:12,400 --> 06:17:21,718
community and it is falling on us. No
one's mentioning anything about

3640
06:17:21,920 --> 06:17:27,520
with an acceptance exception of an
investigation

3641
06:17:26,000 --> 06:17:33,040
uh
speak for myself what I believe some of

3642
06:17:29,280 --> 06:17:39,360
the root problems were. But
so my pause

3643
06:17:35,280 --> 06:17:45,520
is I cannot get through this budget and
get out and say well why' you do that? I

3644
06:17:42,958 --> 06:17:53,360
do not understand
the why we would keep retirement

3645
06:17:49,920 --> 06:17:57,120
sal 2% at the 4 and a.5 mil and I
understood I understood what was said to

3646
06:17:55,360 --> 06:18:03,680
me I heard that is that if you're
staying with us at the expense of losing

3647
06:18:00,798 --> 06:18:09,520
potential critical
employees we in the ced building and

3648
06:18:06,480 --> 06:18:16,320
code enforcement is a good one I do not
want to close perka I do not understand

3649
06:18:12,878 --> 06:18:20,200
why we're going with a 5day close when
we couldn't just

3650
06:18:21,200 --> 06:18:28,400
why are 10 employees going to be gone
that I think the the buildings would be

3651
06:18:26,240 --> 06:18:32,558
closed with the five employees remaining
is that

3652
06:18:29,040 --> 06:18:34,878
» they would and and um the director
>> no

3653
06:18:33,440 --> 06:18:39,040
» that would stay open
>> not it wouldn't be run by us not with

3654
06:18:37,120 --> 06:18:43,200
these five
all facilities would be up for lease

3655
06:18:41,200 --> 06:18:48,558
contract in some fashion. These five
people, um, three of them are

3656
06:18:46,718 --> 06:18:52,400
maintenance folks,
>> right?

3657
06:18:48,958 --> 06:18:57,360
» One's the director and I'm missing the
other title, but they're they'll be

3658
06:18:54,080 --> 06:19:02,558
dedicated to, you know, Go ahead, Molly.
>> Communications mainly.

3659
06:19:00,400 --> 06:19:07,840
» Okay. So, we would not have a self-s
served Nancy Hansen where the deputies

3660
06:19:05,920 --> 06:19:12,798
unlock the doors.
>> We can we can look at operation of those

3661
06:19:10,638 --> 06:19:17,760
courts. Um, I don't know about the
liability that we would incur. Um,

3662
06:19:15,280 --> 06:19:21,520
that's probably an Anthony question. Uh,
if we can resolve that with some

3663
06:19:19,440 --> 06:19:24,320
signage, play at your own risk. I'm not
certain.

3664
06:19:22,160 --> 06:19:28,160
» Well, I think keeping those open is
worth uh I think we should do that. The

3665
06:19:26,558 --> 06:19:30,480
ball fields is
>> May I ask a question?

3666
06:19:29,760 --> 06:19:35,440
» Yeah, absolutely.
>> Can you define open because I can leave

3667
06:19:33,120 --> 06:19:40,320
any door unlocked that you want. Hey,
don't you all have it better? But my

3668
06:19:37,120 --> 06:19:42,400
thought was um morning time uh someone
unlocks the door.

3669
06:19:42,080 --> 06:19:45,200
» Okay.
>> And you're suggesting work with the

3670
06:19:43,840 --> 06:19:49,120
sheriff's office and then they would
lock things up at a certain time like

3671
06:19:47,040 --> 06:19:51,120
park gates get locked and so forth.
>> I think you would

3672
06:19:50,480 --> 06:19:56,558
» we'd have to
>> shared that potential idea.

3673
06:19:53,760 --> 06:20:01,360
» We'd have to engage them on that. But if
it would help facilitate your question,

3674
06:19:59,200 --> 06:20:06,558
perhaps Joey can do some quick math and
he can look at how much money would be

3675
06:20:03,040 --> 06:20:12,320
saved if we reduced benefits
at a figure that that you would like to

3676
06:20:09,440 --> 06:20:17,440
see and see what that does in far as
building back employees. Um but we did

3677
06:20:15,360 --> 06:20:22,798
see previously in the initial
presentation about what lack of

3678
06:20:19,920 --> 06:20:29,440
benefits, lack of raises, loss of
employees does uh to us as a potential

3679
06:20:26,320 --> 06:20:35,280
employer. anyone else who leaves for
those reasons during the time where

3680
06:20:31,760 --> 06:20:40,240
we're saying this is just temporary. Um
we're going to have to absorb that loss,

3681
06:20:38,160 --> 06:20:45,520
double up on duties, and we can
potentially hire someone to fill those

3682
06:20:42,480 --> 06:20:49,120
spots. And I don't know anybody who
wants a government job that isn't going

3683
06:20:47,760 --> 06:20:52,638
to go somewhere where there that's going
to go somewhere where there's no

3684
06:20:50,240 --> 06:20:56,958
benefits when there are other government
jobs in that we are competing. we're

3685
06:20:55,440 --> 06:21:00,160
we're already kind of behind the
eightball when it comes to competing,

3686
06:20:58,798 --> 06:21:05,520
which is what we said in the
presentation. And now we're going to be

3687
06:21:02,558 --> 06:21:10,718
not even on the pool table if there's no
benefits. And so that's why we were

3688
06:21:07,440 --> 06:21:13,520
trying to maintain the benefits with
those people who were staying here. Um

3689
06:21:13,360 --> 06:21:16,798
it
>> doesn't have to go to zero, but let's

3690
06:21:15,440 --> 06:21:21,200
» Well, that's why I said if you want to
present a number, maybe Joey can

3691
06:21:19,120 --> 06:21:26,000
calculate something on the fly to see
how that builds us up on another.

3692
06:21:23,200 --> 06:21:29,798
presenting that. If we go back in time
to u

3693
06:21:29,840 --> 06:21:34,120
August of 2024,

3694
06:21:34,480 --> 06:21:44,798
we're about to pass the 2425
budget.

3695
06:21:40,240 --> 06:21:50,080
We took retirement matching from 7% to
9%.

3696
06:21:47,200 --> 06:21:56,480
We had an understanding of the reserves
in the budget at that time. Now [snorts]

3697
06:21:52,480 --> 06:22:00,718
knowing what actually was happening,
the recommendation of the interim city

3698
06:21:58,638 --> 06:22:05,638
manager at that time, well actually it
was the former city manager was to do

3699
06:22:02,638 --> 06:22:05,638
that.

3700
06:22:06,958 --> 06:22:14,080
Should we have should we have done that
if we would have known then what we know

3701
06:22:12,320 --> 06:22:18,400
now about the current status?
>> I I can't answer that. I wasn't here. I

3702
06:22:15,920 --> 06:22:21,680
would defer to uh our HR director who
can speak to you weren't here either. I

3703
06:22:20,558 --> 06:22:26,638
literally just come in.
>> You just come in. That's true. But from

3704
06:22:24,320 --> 06:22:29,638
a competition standpoint with other
employees,

3705
06:22:30,160 --> 06:22:35,638
» I'm sorry.
>> I think No, uh

3706
06:22:36,160 --> 06:22:46,000
it was August of 24, I believe. It we we
were all here and Mickey. Um

3707
06:22:45,120 --> 06:22:50,320
» I can speak for
>> Council Member Davis. I can speak for

3708
06:22:47,760 --> 06:22:53,840
myself if knowing what we know now. No,
we wouldn't have done that. Wouldn't

3709
06:22:52,320 --> 06:22:58,240
have done wouldn't have done a lot of
things if we knew then what we know now.

3710
06:22:57,520 --> 06:23:00,958
So,
>> and that's what I'm saying. And so,

3711
06:22:59,760 --> 06:23:05,040
we're keeping the full [clears throat]
nine. And so, we're not saying no

3712
06:23:02,958 --> 06:23:11,920
benefits.
That extra 2% was paid out. We are not

3713
06:23:09,440 --> 06:23:16,718
saying give us our 2% back. We should
have never given that money out. I

3714
06:23:14,558 --> 06:23:20,480
» we should have never given that or paid
that money out. Did we want to? We

3715
06:23:18,558 --> 06:23:26,638
clearly wanted to. That's how much we
appreciate our employees, but we cannot

3716
06:23:24,638 --> 06:23:32,400
balance budgets the way we did. I think
you understand why are we keeping nine

3717
06:23:30,320 --> 06:23:36,400
on the line and I think you're you're
saying no benefits. I haven't said

3718
06:23:34,958 --> 06:23:43,280
anything about changing health
insurance. I'm saying a reduction. I

3719
06:23:39,440 --> 06:23:50,480
don't know. I should I I'm trying to
share an idea of can we if it's 400,000

3720
06:23:47,440 --> 06:23:54,480
in total contributions can that save a
couple of perka or a CED.

3721
06:23:52,878 --> 06:23:57,280
» I'm saying give us a number and we'll
calculate it right now. I mean

3722
06:23:55,920 --> 06:24:00,480
» that's not my job.
>> No, no, we'll do it right now.

3723
06:23:58,798 --> 06:24:03,680
» I don't know what what not. I'll do the
best I can. What number do you

3724
06:24:02,160 --> 06:24:08,718
» So if we want to go if you want to go
back in time, we shouldn't have given

3725
06:24:05,040 --> 06:24:10,878
the 2%. So let's hold everybody at 7%.
And we can see what that number looks

3726
06:24:10,080 --> 06:24:14,480
like. Yeah. Yeah.
>> All right. So, if Joey can calculate

3727
06:24:12,558 --> 06:24:17,920
» That's not my job. Disrespect.
>> No, I understand. I'm just trying to

3728
06:24:16,080 --> 06:24:22,718
facilitate this conversation and move it
forward. You You want information. I

3729
06:24:20,878 --> 06:24:26,480
want to give it to you. These people are
ready to serve.

3730
06:24:24,000 --> 06:24:28,958
» I stated this in previous meetings.
>> Okay.

3731
06:24:26,878 --> 06:24:33,200
» This isn't the first time I said that in
our one-on ones.

3732
06:24:30,638 --> 06:24:38,080
» It was the first thing I said. We come
back into the meeting. Fire came in with

3733
06:24:35,360 --> 06:24:41,520
some pension. This went back in. in that
meeting the next day I go I don't

3734
06:24:39,840 --> 06:24:43,920
understand this unless my memor is
failing

3735
06:24:42,080 --> 06:24:49,840
» you said it mayor I never interpret that
as direction to provide that information

3736
06:24:46,240 --> 06:24:54,160
I interpreted direction to provide a um
uh roll back millillage and you have

3737
06:24:51,520 --> 06:24:57,840
that now I'm taking your direction and
we'll calculate 7%

3738
06:24:56,400 --> 06:25:02,240
» and we'll see what do you have that
number what's the number

3739
06:24:59,040 --> 06:25:05,600
» is slightly over 80,000 is the savings
>> okay so that's

3740
06:25:03,200 --> 06:25:11,680
» and that's at 3.5 4.5
>> that would be so if we're currently at a

3741
06:25:08,320 --> 06:25:17,920
total of 12% the 9 plus the 3 to get the
12. And if we go to 7%

3742
06:25:15,120 --> 06:25:24,480
that's taking away 5% and each percent
is roughly 16ish,000.

3743
06:25:21,440 --> 06:25:32,958
So that's how I get that's the math on
it. It's about $83,000. So slightly over

3744
06:25:28,240 --> 06:25:36,878
$80,000 to reduce it from 12% to 7%.
>> But we don't always give the three. Is

3745
06:25:34,718 --> 06:25:41,920
that the best way to to calculate that?
Shouldn't the nine's automatic? So,

3746
06:25:39,760 --> 06:25:45,840
» so what what we're talking about is if
we're just going to say 7% contribution

3747
06:25:44,160 --> 06:25:50,240
to each employee
>> uh and not have a 3% match. So, the

3748
06:25:48,718 --> 06:25:54,878
option for an employee now is say, hey,
I'm going to put in 3% on my own for my

3749
06:25:52,558 --> 06:25:58,558
401457. The city will match it with
three. We want to remove that three. The

3750
06:25:56,958 --> 06:26:03,680
employee can make all the contributions
they want, but no match. So if you take

3751
06:26:00,958 --> 06:26:06,558
the three out and the seven, what would
that look like?

3752
06:26:04,638 --> 06:26:12,240
» The three and the seven to take a
combined 10%.

3753
06:26:09,440 --> 06:26:19,760
» Remove the option to for remove the 3%
match if an employee contributes three.

3754
06:26:15,280 --> 06:26:26,040
» That would be So the 3% match is
50,000.

3755
06:26:21,440 --> 06:26:26,040
So that's a total of what? 130ish.

3756
06:26:26,240 --> 06:26:34,240
I'm sorry. the in total to go from the
12% match we're currently at to the 7%

3757
06:26:32,160 --> 06:26:36,638
that I believe is is being spoken about.
>> Yes.

3758
06:26:34,798 --> 06:26:38,160
» It would save $80,000
>> total. Yeah. Total.

3759
06:26:37,760 --> 06:26:41,760
» Okay.
>> And then I have all the other uh

3760
06:26:40,320 --> 06:26:46,480
benefits added up as well.
>> And that's at the 4.5 millillage rate.

3761
06:26:44,240 --> 06:26:52,240
» Correct. At the staffing rate at the
4.5. So at 80,000 could that potentially

3762
06:26:50,000 --> 06:26:56,958
save an employee
salary and benefits? You're talking

3763
06:26:54,240 --> 06:27:00,080
entry level at best?
uh for my department that would be one

3764
06:26:58,798 --> 06:27:01,440
part-time wreck leader.
>> Okay.

3765
06:27:00,638 --> 06:27:06,000
» Roughly.
>> So if we want to continue the exercise

3766
06:27:03,680 --> 06:27:08,400
and and say and I'm just going to throw
a number out there.

3767
06:27:06,718 --> 06:27:12,878
» I'm going to throw Well, I mean, yeah,
go ahead.

3768
06:27:08,958 --> 06:27:17,120
» Well, 3%. Reduce 7 to three. And what
would that save the city? And that's 3%

3769
06:27:15,600 --> 06:27:22,000
across the board for all employees.
>> And and we're talking short term here.

3770
06:27:19,440 --> 06:27:25,600
I'm not saying any long. I'm saying get
through the hump together,

3771
06:27:23,520 --> 06:27:30,558
» right? Um,
>> I could say something here. Maybe we can

3772
06:27:27,600 --> 06:27:35,040
accept the 4.5 and assess it as the year
progresses. Look at the adjustments

3773
06:27:32,718 --> 06:27:39,360
through the year as um our city attorney
mentioned when we brought this up hours

3774
06:27:37,840 --> 06:27:44,958
ago.
>> Well, I I'm not interested in that

3775
06:27:41,680 --> 06:27:49,760
respectfully. I I I think um I don't
understand

3776
06:27:47,200 --> 06:27:53,520
the rash. You My grandmother used to
always say you can clean a fish a few

3777
06:27:52,080 --> 06:27:58,878
different ways. You know, there's more
than one way to do it. And and I think

3778
06:27:56,000 --> 06:28:07,558
this way there's some good stuff. I
guess I I'm trying to address my math

3779
06:28:01,600 --> 06:28:07,558
shows we spent in 9% in 2026

3780
06:28:07,600 --> 06:28:17,040
$270,000
this year and then at least budgeted and

3781
06:28:12,080 --> 06:28:22,000
then 85,000 and 3% for $350,000.
This original budget had 390,000. And

3782
06:28:20,718 --> 06:28:25,680
now I understand that might go down
because we have less employees. But I'm

3783
06:28:24,160 --> 06:28:31,920
going
in an extreme example, if it's a

3784
06:28:28,080 --> 06:28:36,878
critical function, it's not to get two
employees back.

3785
06:28:34,240 --> 06:28:42,638
It's to get a service level back. And if
that means two employees, yes, that's

3786
06:28:38,958 --> 06:28:48,080
how we have to think about it. So I'm
looking at not 15 job losses. I'm trying

3787
06:28:45,760 --> 06:28:52,958
to see what does that mean in level of
service. I think we had some good some

3788
06:28:50,320 --> 06:28:59,120
help code enforcement I understood the
42 backlog a great example of workload

3789
06:28:56,638 --> 06:29:05,360
now it's you know amongst three is now
going to one those are the things that

3790
06:29:01,440 --> 06:29:13,160
are helpful um
I will I I want to just state that

3791
06:29:09,200 --> 06:29:13,160
we've got the payments

3792
06:29:16,478 --> 06:29:31,600
we we pay do we have budgeted at the 4.5
total. What is the total retirement

3793
06:29:26,240 --> 06:29:36,280
at the 4.5? The total retirement of 12%
would be 200 um,000.

3794
06:29:38,160 --> 06:29:44,798
» I guess I don't know why we're doing 12.
Oh, because we we budget we have the

3795
06:29:42,638 --> 06:29:47,920
money there in case the contribution is
needed. Okay.

3796
06:29:45,840 --> 06:29:53,840
» Correct. Yeah, we do a 9% and then
budget for up to 3% because it is the

3797
06:29:50,320 --> 06:29:57,280
employees uh choice. So therefore
>> budget for the case they do it's uh

3798
06:29:55,760 --> 06:30:03,040
200,000
is what the total

3799
06:29:59,760 --> 06:30:05,920
12% of a retirement contribution uh
costs the city.

3800
06:30:05,384 --> 06:30:10,878
[clears throat]
So, hypothetically, if we took it from

3801
06:30:08,478 --> 06:30:16,080
12% to 0%.
That would save $200,000

3802
06:30:13,760 --> 06:30:22,718
at this 4.5 that we're talking about
mathematically.

3803
06:30:18,000 --> 06:30:27,520
» So, why was it 390 in the 2027
column? This isn't going to show it cuz

3804
06:30:25,120 --> 06:30:35,040
I added them all up.
I mean, do we just have more employees?

3805
06:30:30,958 --> 06:30:40,000
» Um, which column are you looking at?
I think it's the K. Uh I can't see the

3806
06:30:37,600 --> 06:30:44,958
header, but I think yeah, it would have
been the K column. So the 89,000 or

3807
06:30:42,638 --> 06:30:48,400
maybe it's the J.
I am looking at a different sheet in

3808
06:30:46,798 --> 06:30:53,840
front of me. The sheet I'm looking at in
front of me has all of our um city

3809
06:30:50,240 --> 06:30:57,360
employees and their benefits on it. Um
so I think it'd be very hard to get the

3810
06:30:55,920 --> 06:31:01,360
numbers I'm looking at from the sheet
that that we're looking at on the um on

3811
06:30:59,760 --> 06:31:05,040
the screens in front of us.
>> Yeah. So [clears throat] I think and

3812
06:31:02,878 --> 06:31:09,760
this is one of the the challenges is we
have the presentation. I think you've

3813
06:31:07,040 --> 06:31:15,520
got some supplementary resources. I can
work in here. You know, being able to

3814
06:31:12,400 --> 06:31:20,638
total stuff up out of here takes a
little extra work. I I I just did that

3815
06:31:18,160 --> 06:31:28,320
for myself. But I think all I did was
added up all the departments. Um

3816
06:31:23,360 --> 06:31:35,040
administrative perka in column L or I'm
sorry in column K. That was the original

3817
06:31:31,440 --> 06:31:38,040
budget. If you add all those up, it was
292,09%

3818
06:31:38,400 --> 06:31:46,360
budgeted contributions and 97,03%
totaling 389,000.

3819
06:31:46,558 --> 06:31:49,558
And

3820
06:31:55,280 --> 06:32:02,240
yeah, I think that's
that's that's according to my math. I

3821
06:32:00,160 --> 06:32:06,718
understand if that would reduce. So when
I saw 390 if it I just don't know why it

3822
06:32:04,638 --> 06:32:11,120
would go down almost in half if we're
maintaining it. Um maybe it's cuz some

3823
06:32:09,520 --> 06:32:17,360
employees obviously wouldn't have to
pay. That to me was a lot of money. Um

3824
06:32:14,638 --> 06:32:22,240
if it is let's just
200,000

3825
06:32:19,280 --> 06:32:26,798
if if that's what we have to work with.
Did I hear 80,000 saves a part-time

3826
06:32:24,878 --> 06:32:32,080
worker?
It cost 80,000 for a part-time.

3827
06:32:30,160 --> 06:32:37,920
» That would that was just one example
from from my department, but that

3828
06:32:34,718 --> 06:32:43,520
doesn't really help in terms of that
because the building operations are not

3829
06:32:41,680 --> 06:32:49,920
funded.
So, it saves a person, but it doesn't

3830
06:32:47,440 --> 06:32:55,120
keep the lights on, pay the water bill,
fund the AC contracts, that kind of

3831
06:32:52,080 --> 06:32:59,680
stuff. If that makes any sense. But we
have a part-time person in park of

3832
06:32:57,280 --> 06:33:07,040
making $80,000 because wouldn't
part-time not have benefits?

3833
06:33:03,280 --> 06:33:11,040
» There's other factors with that and
those are the estimates that I've gotten

3834
06:33:09,280 --> 06:33:17,280
with
regard to

3835
06:33:14,478 --> 06:33:23,040
and it's not a full 80,000.
Like that's the number that they that

3836
06:33:20,160 --> 06:33:29,520
that would save you. So it wouldn't be
two people necessarily.

3837
06:33:26,478 --> 06:33:34,760
» Well, for example, how much is that
position when you say it's not a full

3838
06:33:31,760 --> 06:33:34,760
80,000?

3839
06:33:37,120 --> 06:33:46,320
» What did we actually pay? If you have
that sheet up to answer, uh Joey, oh, a

3840
06:33:43,200 --> 06:33:48,798
part-time perka in 2026.
I think that's another way to look at

3841
06:33:48,400 --> 06:33:54,958
it.
>> Yes.

3842
06:33:50,400 --> 06:33:59,040
So you could effectively fund
roughly

3843
06:33:56,558 --> 06:34:03,200
one to two people, but you're still not
opening the building. You're still not

3844
06:34:01,280 --> 06:34:08,958
paying the water bill. You're still
>> Well, and I'm not really wanting to know

3845
06:34:06,000 --> 06:34:13,440
that. I'm wanting to know how much is
that part-time position that we said was

3846
06:34:11,200 --> 06:34:17,760
almost 80,000.
I mean, and then you were saying it's

3847
06:34:15,280 --> 06:34:21,680
not really that. I mean, how much does a
part-time park a person make?

3848
06:34:19,920 --> 06:34:24,080
» May I jump in here? The um
>> because he has the full

3849
06:34:22,878 --> 06:34:29,840
» the spreadsheet I'm looking in front of
me, it's about slightly over $30,000 for

3850
06:34:27,200 --> 06:34:35,920
a part-time uh wreck employee. Okay.
>> $80,000 does pay for about one code

3851
06:34:33,680 --> 06:34:41,440
enforcement um employee.
>> Okay. So there's a a a so if it the

3852
06:34:39,040 --> 06:34:46,080
200,000 budgeted for the retirement if
it was reduced by $80,000 and we

3853
06:34:43,920 --> 06:34:51,360
budgeted $120,000
for retirement for one year that would

3854
06:34:48,320 --> 06:34:56,240
also give free up cash for one year to
take the code enforcement from one to

3855
06:34:53,920 --> 06:35:00,400
two and reduce
>> it would if we freed up $80,000 from

3856
06:34:59,760 --> 06:35:03,280
somewhere.
>> Yeah.

3857
06:35:00,798 --> 06:35:07,920
» It we'd be able to then use that $80,000
to afford one code enforcement. And I

3858
06:35:05,840 --> 06:35:13,840
don't want to go any further cuz I can't
especially this hour. That's what I'm

3859
06:35:09,840 --> 06:35:19,120
I'm hoping we can do. Now do not in my
opinion we should not do that if we feel

3860
06:35:16,240 --> 06:35:24,558
that one
but it's not always that three one uh

3861
06:35:22,080 --> 06:35:30,958
you know three produces more than one.
Sometimes there's reasons that two and

3862
06:35:28,558 --> 06:35:38,400
the direct believe that they can produce
the same as three. um not typical, but

3863
06:35:34,878 --> 06:35:42,240
those things happen. Um
th those are the types of things that

3864
06:35:40,000 --> 06:35:49,760
that I was struggling with when I was
reading this and trying to get to the

3865
06:35:44,478 --> 06:35:56,718
bottom of it. The other thing is um
when you say parks and wreck the the C5

3866
06:35:53,680 --> 06:36:01,040
I don't think opening Nancy Hansen from
our talk it was my understanding that

3867
06:35:58,478 --> 06:36:05,200
Nancy Hansen first it was all going to
be closed and then it was like no we

3868
06:36:02,638 --> 06:36:10,798
could probably make it self serve but
the C5 this doesn't have budgeted to pay

3869
06:36:07,920 --> 06:36:12,958
the the water bill
>> or the I mean not a lot of water usage

3870
06:36:12,478 --> 06:36:18,240
would be
>> not as much as it would use if the

3871
06:36:16,080 --> 06:36:23,600
building was open.
>> Okay, I I understand that. Uh the splash

3872
06:36:21,360 --> 06:36:28,840
pad running at 4 and a half.
>> The splash pad is not included in the

3873
06:36:25,840 --> 06:36:28,840
4.5.

3874
06:36:29,040 --> 06:36:36,478
» Okay, that's new.
>> What was mentioned earlier, it cost

3875
06:36:33,360 --> 06:36:42,638
64,000. We have to meet uh health
department criteria to operate it.

3876
06:36:40,320 --> 06:36:45,120
» Um there's no We have to have somebody I
mean operate it.

3877
06:36:43,680 --> 06:36:48,558
» Yeah. Well, do you remember the I
remember talking about the 64,000, but I

3878
06:36:47,120 --> 06:36:52,558
didn't realize that. I thought we were
just restating the cost. I I missed it

3879
06:36:51,040 --> 06:36:56,478
and the processing it's a lot of
information, but we had talked about it

3880
06:36:54,638 --> 06:37:00,000
and it was we thought it was closed.
Then we said, "No, I don't think that's

3881
06:36:58,000 --> 06:37:05,440
what the community would want. We keep
it open." So, I understand if that's a

3882
06:37:02,000 --> 06:37:10,400
part of it. I guess that's the thing. um
parks and wreck employees.

3883
06:37:08,478 --> 06:37:14,478
Another example, just how my brain's
thinking, why would we close the

3884
06:37:12,240 --> 06:37:20,878
facility,
let off all the employees

3885
06:37:17,440 --> 06:37:26,160
and then instead of keeping them on and
maybe do scale back on some health

3886
06:37:23,360 --> 06:37:29,120
benefits
for a year or two?

3887
06:37:27,680 --> 06:37:32,478
» Could you say that one more time,
please?

3888
06:37:30,718 --> 06:37:36,400
total health care life and health
insurance expenditures. You and I were I

3889
06:37:34,718 --> 06:37:40,718
think going back and forth and I think
we're still working through it. I

3890
06:37:38,320 --> 06:37:45,200
believe that parks and wreck currently
is the highest amount for health

3891
06:37:43,680 --> 06:37:52,080
insurance benefits out of all
departments just logically because you

3892
06:37:48,558 --> 06:37:59,280
have 15 uh I think we 15 employees
there. I am might be there, but

3893
06:37:56,958 --> 06:38:03,600
I'm trying to show tradeoffs for the
community.

3894
06:38:01,440 --> 06:38:08,000
If everyone in Perkos says, "I'm leaving
because I don't have life and health

3895
06:38:05,200 --> 06:38:15,600
insurance for a year or two or whatnot."
Um, well, well, that's unfortunate, but

3896
06:38:11,440 --> 06:38:24,558
to me, we would those are the trades I
hope we can look at. What I saw here was

3897
06:38:20,798 --> 06:38:31,440
very heavy on personnel [snorts] and
that that

3898
06:38:27,520 --> 06:38:36,878
one way. Um I haven't got into the
supplies. I'm being told uh that we

3899
06:38:34,638 --> 06:38:45,360
can't cut anymore. I I understand that.
I I see that. But I I

3900
06:38:41,530 --> 06:38:50,000
[snorts] I I'll stop. I I I don't think
if I can see the level of service

3901
06:38:48,000 --> 06:38:56,400
decline in between these I know I can
read the words but you know big loss or

3902
06:38:54,160 --> 06:39:00,400
some of the words we were reading right
those aren't quantifiable and I know

3903
06:38:58,160 --> 06:39:06,240
it's not easy to do that but like
backlogs response times and those things

3904
06:39:04,400 --> 06:39:10,240
some sort of indication I know that
under these times we're not necessarily

3905
06:39:08,320 --> 06:39:18,760
maybe reporting and measuring everything
I get that nor would I think that That's

3906
06:39:12,718 --> 06:39:18,760
reasonable under the the stress. But um

3907
06:39:20,478 --> 06:39:28,638
to think that
roll back,

3908
06:39:24,798 --> 06:39:35,280
right? I I just cannot get past that. We
that we would not reduce revenue, tax

3909
06:39:31,440 --> 06:39:40,718
revenue, and we're going to lose 29
employees with literally a tax revenue

3910
06:39:38,240 --> 06:39:44,840
increase.
That means we were balancing

3911
06:39:45,040 --> 06:39:49,440
I mean that's awful.
>> We

3912
06:39:47,280 --> 06:39:55,600
» that is I mean for five six years we've
been doing that and that has it

3913
06:39:51,200 --> 06:40:02,400
» well for 15 years we've been we've been
deficit spending and I just want to roll

3914
06:39:58,638 --> 06:40:11,200
us back no pun intended to March.
>> What you're seeing is

3915
06:40:06,798 --> 06:40:15,600
five million in cuts. I mean reality we
started cutting back in March.

3916
06:40:13,280 --> 06:40:21,920
» The ship was running a ground and we had
to not spend 750,000 just to come in to

3917
06:40:19,600 --> 06:40:27,640
the green or the black.
So this isn't, you know, when you set a

3918
06:40:23,920 --> 06:40:32,558
millage rate of, you know, 4.5,
[snorts] that was basically

3919
06:40:29,760 --> 06:40:37,680
cutting two more million after we've
already cut three

3920
06:40:36,080 --> 06:40:42,638
when we shouldn't have been budgeting to
spend 5 million over what we were

3921
06:40:39,680 --> 06:40:48,160
bringing in to begin with.
So we're again, we're trying to, you

3922
06:40:46,478 --> 06:40:54,040
know, buy 10 things when we have money
for five at this point. And I'm

3923
06:40:54,160 --> 06:41:00,400
we would be in a better position talking
about this if we weren't dealing with a

3924
06:40:58,160 --> 06:41:06,878
4.5 millig rate. And I say that only
because we would be having a more what

3925
06:41:03,680 --> 06:41:11,840
more can we cut from this number as
opposed to what are we trying to save at

3926
06:41:10,000 --> 06:41:16,558
this number?
4.5 is it.

3927
06:41:14,798 --> 06:41:23,440
And
your staff, like I said, they live this

3928
06:41:20,080 --> 06:41:27,600
every day. They do the job. I don't cut
grass, you know. I I don't do what

3929
06:41:25,520 --> 06:41:31,680
they're doing, but they're telling me.
And I think the best We've heard a lot

3930
06:41:29,920 --> 06:41:36,478
of good stuff, but when Dave Coulter got
up there and told you I he itemized

3931
06:41:34,558 --> 06:41:42,760
everything,
that was a significant amount of work.

3932
06:41:39,760 --> 06:41:42,760
So,

3933
06:41:43,760 --> 06:41:51,840
we have to deal with what we have and
that's 4.5 mills or less. And I go back

3934
06:41:48,798 --> 06:41:57,120
to what I said, Mayor, roll back is not
an option.

3935
06:41:54,160 --> 06:42:05,478
It is not an option.
>> Yeah. I I don't I I just I understand I

3936
06:42:01,120 --> 06:42:05,478
don't understand how we've

3937
06:42:07,120 --> 06:42:16,000
we got too much to take care of and too
much to pay for. That's just the fact I

3938
06:42:12,240 --> 06:42:19,760
we it it's nauseating and and the
purchase of this property.

3939
06:42:19,360 --> 06:42:23,440
» True.
>> We can look at we can look at the

3940
06:42:21,680 --> 06:42:27,920
» I don't want to sell stuff, but
>> the C5 will be paid off at the end of

3941
06:42:25,440 --> 06:42:32,400
this fiscal year. That's a huge deal.
$800,000.

3942
06:42:29,440 --> 06:42:37,440
I fully expect the fire assessment to be
a win. I think what that opportunity

3943
06:42:35,760 --> 06:42:42,160
will present for this council to this
council is you can lower millage right

3944
06:42:39,920 --> 06:42:45,280
away. You know, depending on what our
needs are next fiscal year because we're

3945
06:42:43,920 --> 06:42:48,798
not going to be paying for fire service
out of the general fund if the

3946
06:42:46,878 --> 06:42:53,920
assessment goes through. So that gives
the council the opportunity to lower the

3947
06:42:51,600 --> 06:43:00,320
millage rate. And so I think if we have
a focus forward approach, we got to bite

3948
06:42:56,558 --> 06:43:04,400
the bullet all a 360°ree outlook. We
have to bite the bullet here. And I and

3949
06:43:02,638 --> 06:43:07,440
I think I told all of you very candidly
from the very beginning, you're going to

3950
06:43:05,440 --> 06:43:12,718
have to raise taxes. I know you don't
want to, but that is a cold hard

3951
06:43:10,240 --> 06:43:19,280
reality. And and the question you have
to ask yourself is is how much. It's not

3952
06:43:15,920 --> 06:43:23,520
how much can I keep or it's how much
it's not how how much am I going to lose

3953
06:43:21,280 --> 06:43:27,520
because we're already at the 4.5. It's
what can I keep what's left and you're

3954
06:43:26,160 --> 06:43:31,200
going to have to help me prioritize.
That's why from the very beginning I've

3955
06:43:28,958 --> 06:43:36,558
said to you, I can't cut any lower until
I get with you because services are

3956
06:43:32,878 --> 06:43:42,360
going to be drastically impacted.
And so my recommendation is you go with

3957
06:43:39,200 --> 06:43:42,360
the 4.5.

3958
06:43:44,320 --> 06:43:50,958
» Okay. So, and I understand I'm
listening, but I'm about to give a

3959
06:43:48,320 --> 06:43:59,040
little bit of perspective on my part.
Um, I don't think staff that's with us

3960
06:43:55,200 --> 06:44:03,120
now got us into this position. We had
things that occurred in the past and

3961
06:44:00,718 --> 06:44:07,040
some of those
situations are are gone.

3962
06:44:06,000 --> 06:44:11,440
Um [snorts]
I think that it's a tough time for all

3963
06:44:09,280 --> 06:44:17,200
of us. We didn't we certainly didn't
have this in our view either. So the

3964
06:44:15,360 --> 06:44:22,958
spending down of the reserves is
something that [clears throat] is

3965
06:44:18,798 --> 06:44:28,000
painful for us all. Now having said that
I will say

3966
06:44:25,120 --> 06:44:34,080
please I mean I looked at things like
our long-term um disability.

3967
06:44:32,000 --> 06:44:38,160
Other cities aren't giving people that.
they're giving them an option to

3968
06:44:36,240 --> 06:44:44,160
purchase that
and and any sacrifices that staff makes

3969
06:44:42,320 --> 06:44:48,958
now
I think that that can turn around and

3970
06:44:46,478 --> 06:44:54,558
change but I think it's going to be all
of us that have to do the sacrificing

3971
06:44:51,600 --> 06:45:01,520
not just and we have to look at whatever
we can do now it's I don't like saying

3972
06:44:58,478 --> 06:45:06,080
that because I know staff you want to
stay here you want to do a great job and

3973
06:45:03,600 --> 06:45:12,320
We want you to be in a situation where
you have a bene you have the benefits

3974
06:45:07,920 --> 06:45:16,320
you need. But to get through this time,
we're going to all have to make some

3975
06:45:13,840 --> 06:45:22,160
sacrifices as far as what's going on.
Now, having said that, I'm going to say

3976
06:45:18,320 --> 06:45:28,240
this. I believe this tax amendment three
is going to pass. We're going through

3977
06:45:24,718 --> 06:45:34,160
the painful part now. Okay? This is the
part that hurts.

3978
06:45:30,478 --> 06:45:38,478
And once we get past this corner and get
our reser reserve, it doesn't even have

3979
06:45:36,000 --> 06:45:43,120
to be fully funded on reserves, but once
we're able to start building them back,

3980
06:45:40,718 --> 06:45:48,638
then we can look at giving back the
benefits the way that you had them and

3981
06:45:46,320 --> 06:45:54,400
all of these things. And if you leave
and go to another city, doesn't mean

3982
06:45:51,360 --> 06:45:59,520
that in that if that passes that you
won't get there. and they have their

3983
06:45:56,478 --> 06:46:05,360
$200 million budget they have to cut and
they have 80% of their property taxes

3984
06:46:01,840 --> 06:46:09,840
and homestead properties. So, it could
be painful going somewhere else. You

3985
06:46:07,600 --> 06:46:14,478
could get there after if Amendment Three
passes and you could lose your job. So,

3986
06:46:12,478 --> 06:46:19,760
I think it behooves all of us to work
together and try to do the best we can.

3987
06:46:17,760 --> 06:46:26,320
I think y'all done a good job looking
and cutting and that sort of thing, but

3988
06:46:22,478 --> 06:46:34,400
whatever it takes is what we need to do.
Um, I don't like closing things and I

3989
06:46:29,680 --> 06:46:38,958
would rather overall make a sacrifice on
whatever we can cut on benefits to keep

3990
06:46:37,280 --> 06:46:44,718
as many of the people we can. I don't
like services not being offered. I'm not

3991
06:46:41,600 --> 06:46:50,160
that's [snorts] not my me. Um, but if we
have to get a company in to run the C5

3992
06:46:47,520 --> 06:46:55,680
for us temporarily or [snorts]
whatever, those things we're gonna have

3993
06:46:52,000 --> 06:46:59,920
to do to address the cuts. So, for me, I
think it's going to be a time of

3994
06:46:57,040 --> 06:47:06,240
sacrifice for all of us. I'll give y'all
my $3,000 salary or whatever it is. I'll

3995
06:47:02,718 --> 06:47:11,920
be happy to do that. Um, but but I think
we have to look at that. Um, because

3996
06:47:09,760 --> 06:47:16,080
what else are we going to do? I don't
like

3997
06:47:13,520 --> 06:47:21,760
people going away and I don't like
services going away. And I totally agree

3998
06:47:18,718 --> 06:47:27,760
with what kind of service level are we
going to have. That's the only decision

3999
06:47:23,600 --> 06:47:34,080
we can make as council up here is how we
manage the services. I don't want

4000
06:47:29,840 --> 06:47:39,440
services going away. And so that's my
thoughts and I'm and I'm encou trying to

4001
06:47:36,320 --> 06:47:43,600
encourage staff to please be patient
because you're all valuable and if

4002
06:47:41,760 --> 06:47:50,638
you'll if we can work through this hard
time together and buckle down and we may

4003
06:47:47,920 --> 06:47:54,878
have to put up with not having
everything the way it was doesn't mean

4004
06:47:53,040 --> 06:48:00,478
it's going to stay that way forever in
my opinion because nobody really wants

4005
06:47:57,600 --> 06:48:04,320
that. But we got to get through this.
And I'm sorry everyone in this room,

4006
06:48:02,638 --> 06:48:08,798
including the taxpayers, are going
through this. It's not right. And I wish

4007
06:48:06,798 --> 06:48:14,638
I could I had a magic wand and could
start over. The first thing I do is get

4008
06:48:12,240 --> 06:48:18,718
those administrative fees from the Cape
Center, right?

4009
06:48:16,958 --> 06:48:23,040
Anony's going to work on that for me,
though.

4010
06:48:21,200 --> 06:48:28,160
So, that's what I've got for this. We're
going to have to to do what it takes.

4011
06:48:25,760 --> 06:48:32,478
And if we can cut
um I'd rather cut benefits for a short

4012
06:48:30,240 --> 06:48:39,000
amount of time than people. That's just
my thoughts.

4013
06:48:35,760 --> 06:48:39,000
» Thank you.

4014
06:48:49,840 --> 06:48:58,558
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes, sir. I I can agree with uh Mayor

4015
06:48:54,878 --> 06:49:05,760
Pro Tim about trying to cut back on some
benefits temporarily. Um but I I just

4016
06:49:02,160 --> 06:49:12,000
don't see any way that uh roll back is
going to keep our services at an

4017
06:49:08,718 --> 06:49:19,040
acceptable level. Um in fact, I don't
know that 3.58 can do it either. So I'm

4018
06:49:15,840 --> 06:49:23,200
more in favor of let's go with the 4.5
or somewhere close to that.

4019
06:49:21,200 --> 06:49:26,080
And uh [clears throat]
>> are you making that as a motion

4020
06:49:25,440 --> 06:49:32,478
counselor?
>> No, I am just stating my position.

4021
06:49:29,760 --> 06:49:37,520
» So this is a workshop. So I don't think
we're voting on anything tonight.

4022
06:49:34,878 --> 06:49:40,798
» So that's that is just my
>> You could give direction, Councilman.

4023
06:49:39,840 --> 06:49:42,798
» Well, that is
>> that's your direction.

4024
06:49:41,600 --> 06:49:47,440
» That's my direction.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

4025
06:49:44,320 --> 06:49:55,840
» I agree. I think 4.5 is probably the
most feasible um option that we have and

4026
06:49:51,120 --> 06:50:02,798
to struggle over 3.25 and 3.58 is not
getting us anywhere. I think I I I we

4027
06:49:59,680 --> 06:50:07,440
owe it to the employees that have been
doing diligent work trying to make this

4028
06:50:05,840 --> 06:50:13,440
happen, trying to make this work,
working with us. And if we go any lower

4029
06:50:10,160 --> 06:50:18,558
than 4.5, I think we heard the the
people here today. Are you willing to

4030
06:50:16,160 --> 06:50:23,840
pay more for the amenities that you're
enjoying? And they applauded. Now, maybe

4031
06:50:21,920 --> 06:50:28,478
they don't represent the entire
community, but these are the active ones

4032
06:50:26,000 --> 06:50:32,160
who are paying attention
and they're going to spread the word out

4033
06:50:30,240 --> 06:50:37,760
there. And there'll be some people who
don't want 4.5. They're going to cry

4034
06:50:34,718 --> 06:50:43,040
about it. Let them cry. We're try. We're
doing the very best we can. That's my

4035
06:50:40,958 --> 06:50:46,958
opinion on it.
>> I [snorts]

4036
06:50:45,440 --> 06:50:50,958
» Mr. Mayor.
>> Yeah.

4037
06:50:48,558 --> 06:50:55,920
» Um and I understand what your what
Council Member King is saying. However,

4038
06:50:53,760 --> 06:51:02,000
I've looked at a lot of comments and
we've gotten a lot of emails. We have a

4039
06:50:58,638 --> 06:51:07,840
a population in our city that's 65%
retirees.

4040
06:51:04,320 --> 06:51:14,478
We have people and actually our city's
more affordable than like a Cocoa Beach

4041
06:51:10,240 --> 06:51:21,200
is. We have people that are concerned
about their rent payments going up and

4042
06:51:17,840 --> 06:51:28,798
all of these things and and going up as
high as whatever. Every time we increase

4043
06:51:25,520 --> 06:51:34,558
that increases rents that increases uh
you know property owners taxes on a

4044
06:51:32,320 --> 06:51:39,520
population that's usually living on a
fixed income.

4045
06:51:36,400 --> 06:51:48,558
So whatever we do we have to be mindful
of that. So just saying let's go

4046
06:51:44,878 --> 06:51:54,718
4.5. I'm curious myself, what does it
look like in between 4.5 and 3.58?

4047
06:51:52,878 --> 06:52:00,160
Because these are benchmark numbers and
we could do 4.3 if it made sense or

4048
06:51:57,600 --> 06:52:06,080
whatever. We're not going to have that
information tonight. Um, but I think we

4049
06:52:03,600 --> 06:52:12,240
need to look at service levels like we
said, but also be mindful that people in

4050
06:52:09,200 --> 06:52:18,958
this community are retirees and while
some may be willing to pay and able to

4051
06:52:14,958 --> 06:52:24,718
pay those things, um, it just one moment
please. Um, it is something that we need

4052
06:52:22,080 --> 06:52:30,240
to be mindful of and where there may be
people in this room expressing that

4053
06:52:26,718 --> 06:52:35,680
they're willing to pay 4.5 or maybe they
were willing to pay 10.0 or 7.0. They

4054
06:52:33,680 --> 06:52:39,760
might have been willing to pay that.
There were a lot of people sending

4055
06:52:37,360 --> 06:52:45,680
emails and a lot of people commenting
online they that their taxes were going

4056
06:52:42,558 --> 06:52:50,240
up $400 a year or whatever in the trim
notice and that it was a hardship for

4057
06:52:48,160 --> 06:52:55,840
them. So I think we have to be mindful
of that too. So

4058
06:52:53,520 --> 06:52:59,040
Mr. Mayor,
>> thank you. Council member Shore yet.

4059
06:52:58,280 --> 06:53:02,478
[clears throat]
>> Well, I think we've already figured out

4060
06:53:00,400 --> 06:53:08,000
roll back rate does not work for doesn't
maintain the level of service we want. I

4061
06:53:04,400 --> 06:53:12,878
don't think 110% does either. So again,
case point we're going to wind up

4062
06:53:09,040 --> 06:53:18,558
somewhere between 358 and 4.5. I guess
suggestion. Let's go to 3.58 and just

4063
06:53:15,920 --> 06:53:19,840
add back in the things that are
essential.

4064
06:53:19,200 --> 06:53:22,958
» That's a good idea.
>> And deter wind up because I I think

4065
06:53:21,520 --> 06:53:27,280
number one, okay, we're going to add
back in the executive assistant. So,

4066
06:53:24,878 --> 06:53:31,360
what's where does that leave us?
>> How what does that do for us millillage

4067
06:53:29,200 --> 06:53:35,920
wise if we had that position back and
just kind of go from there and work our

4068
06:53:33,680 --> 06:53:39,120
way up? If I could interject, you know,
looking at our chart and if you can put

4069
06:53:37,840 --> 06:53:46,400
the one chart up there where it says
general fund staffing by mill scenario

4070
06:53:42,718 --> 06:53:55,440
from Joey's presentation.
So we have um if No, you had it right

4071
06:53:51,600 --> 06:54:01,280
right there. If you can thank you. Um so
I mentioned earlier

4072
06:53:57,840 --> 06:54:07,040
creating a position in solid waste to
assist with some duties. we could move

4073
06:54:03,520 --> 06:54:11,920
an employee from the general fund over
there and that would save the general

4074
06:54:09,360 --> 06:54:15,200
fund the salary the salary anyway of
that particular employee and their

4075
06:54:13,200 --> 06:54:21,760
benefits benefits would transfer over as
well. So that would um

4076
06:54:18,958 --> 06:54:27,440
that would reduce well that would take
CED

4077
06:54:24,080 --> 06:54:35,280
would be losing one but going over to
that that enterprise and we can reduce

4078
06:54:31,440 --> 06:54:39,120
the benefits to a level um that would
generate whatever revenue figure that

4079
06:54:37,600 --> 06:54:43,200
we're looking at. I will say that
long-term disability is offered by other

4080
06:54:41,280 --> 06:54:47,040
municipalities. To your point, Mayor
Pro10, we're not the only city that does

4081
06:54:44,878 --> 06:54:50,638
that, but we can certainly look at what
it would look like to do away with

4082
06:54:48,798 --> 06:54:54,718
long-term disability. I don't know that
it's being accessed a whole lot right

4083
06:54:52,958 --> 06:54:59,840
now being budgeted for
>> the ones that I had seen um city manager

4084
06:54:57,920 --> 06:55:04,160
is they gave it as an offering and it
was an option to the in many

4085
06:55:02,080 --> 06:55:08,878
municipalities give it as an option to
their their staff members who can choose

4086
06:55:07,120 --> 06:55:14,478
to pay for it or not to pay for it.
Yeah. and then we could add it back in

4087
06:55:11,200 --> 06:55:19,280
later. But that, you know, those are the
kind of things kind of any kind of

4088
06:55:16,798 --> 06:55:24,240
things like that that people may not be
utilizing right now but may need later.

4089
06:55:21,920 --> 06:55:28,878
Those would be good things to look at
because that could possibly make a

4090
06:55:26,320 --> 06:55:32,160
little bit of an impact as well.
So, so far we're talking about

4091
06:55:30,320 --> 06:55:36,792
transferring an employee from general
fund to enterprise and I'll have to get

4092
06:55:35,040 --> 06:55:41,040
with staff on that employee salary
[clears throat] and benefits so we can

4093
06:55:38,240 --> 06:55:44,478
calculate those numbers. Um, and we're
talking about a reduction in benefits.

4094
06:55:43,120 --> 06:55:50,478
We can come back with what that would
look like and then we can discuss many

4095
06:55:48,400 --> 06:55:55,600
any other position because we're looking
at we can look at the 10 in admin admin

4096
06:55:53,600 --> 06:56:02,240
services again. We can look at the seven
in IM again. And I'm looking at the 4.5

4097
06:55:58,400 --> 06:56:06,798
mil column here when I say this. So, we
can look at that 28 staff there again

4098
06:56:05,040 --> 06:56:11,600
and see how low we can get the
millillage.

4099
06:56:07,680 --> 06:56:21,120
» And uh city manager, could we look at
if we kept the C5 and Nancy Hansen open

4100
06:56:17,520 --> 06:56:26,080
for a certain period of time? Well, and
specifically the C5 instead of Nancy

4101
06:56:23,600 --> 06:56:31,840
Hansen as much where we would keep it
open for a certain period of time while

4102
06:56:27,760 --> 06:56:36,718
we get bids from the vendors,
you know, and that way because it will

4103
06:56:34,080 --> 06:56:44,878
make a difference if we don't just flat
let staff go if we budget in and see how

4104
06:56:41,600 --> 06:56:50,878
that can fall in there and can keep
those staff until we get those RFPs in

4105
06:56:48,240 --> 06:56:56,080
and make a decision, then they could
possibly transition and we won't lose

4106
06:56:53,680 --> 06:56:59,920
services for a short amount of time and
we won't lo and staff won't lose out.

4107
06:56:58,638 --> 06:57:03,200
Now that's my
>> I would like to see that.

4108
06:57:01,440 --> 06:57:07,280
» Okay, I'll get with that director
because at 4.5 mills we're at five

4109
06:57:05,680 --> 06:57:12,878
staff.
Moving one employee over may open up a

4110
06:57:10,558 --> 06:57:18,798
body, but I need to talk with our
director and whatever else we can

4111
06:57:15,520 --> 06:57:25,120
potentially come up with from benefits.
I just would I would like to see what

4112
06:57:20,718 --> 06:57:27,360
all of that looks like. Um just because
>> that would serve our community better.

4113
06:57:26,958 --> 06:57:31,680
» Sure.
>> And it would also potentially protect

4114
06:57:30,000 --> 06:57:36,878
those staff members where they wouldn't
have to be just flat let go.

4115
06:57:34,160 --> 06:57:41,920
» Well, I'm already seeing um two people's
offices moving to the C5

4116
06:57:39,760 --> 06:57:47,558
to help staff that, but we'll have to
have that conversation.

4117
06:57:44,320 --> 06:57:47,558
» Thank you.

4118
06:57:52,638 --> 06:57:59,878
Okay. So, I think um
yeah, I mean one

4119
06:58:00,638 --> 06:58:08,638
this is really good. I I really
[clears throat] just as I was listening

4120
06:58:04,798 --> 06:58:14,160
to it, I was able to see
when something goes down, other things

4121
06:58:10,478 --> 06:58:17,680
go up and um very very helpful and again
thanks to our city manager and and

4122
06:58:15,840 --> 06:58:22,080
everyone
took the whole team to put this

4123
06:58:19,120 --> 06:58:28,958
together. And so
today's a workshop. Um I think the

4124
06:58:25,120 --> 06:58:38,320
council has talked about uh
between 3.58 and 4.5 express some

4125
06:58:32,478 --> 06:58:43,120
positions. Um, my hope is that we
we keep

4126
06:58:40,718 --> 06:58:49,920
I've taken the philosophy of being more
comfortable with the the the citizens

4127
06:58:47,280 --> 06:58:54,160
maintain access to everything be better
to push down across the board for the

4128
06:58:52,080 --> 06:59:00,638
short period or make adjustments. we
can't really do that. Well, and and so

4129
06:58:57,360 --> 06:59:04,400
the recommendation to close
um

4130
06:59:02,718 --> 06:59:11,840
I think similar to you said what you
were saying is if the uh October one is

4131
06:59:07,680 --> 06:59:18,878
uh when the the budget goes uh I would
be interested in funding at least 90

4132
06:59:16,000 --> 06:59:24,320
days, right? It's not like budget passes
and and a department's not funded at a

4133
06:59:21,520 --> 06:59:31,680
minimum 90. And I would even say
potentially have some sort of uh budget

4134
06:59:28,400 --> 06:59:37,600
to go another 90. And in that time
period, if we could get a lease or

4135
06:59:33,600 --> 06:59:43,840
something for an operator to come in, um
then we would not miss a beat. This I

4136
06:59:40,320 --> 06:59:48,320
guess the downside of that is if we go
the full term, it's funded, and nothing

4137
06:59:46,240 --> 06:59:54,320
comes to fruition, well, at least time
was given, right? and it wasn't sudden

4138
06:59:51,520 --> 06:59:58,638
and and people's lives have time to
transition. And I think those efforts

4139
06:59:56,958 --> 07:00:04,160
would be communicated, we'd have an
indication. And so that's really

4140
07:00:00,958 --> 07:00:10,320
important to me. Um if a department's
1.6 today and it cost 800,000 to get

4141
07:00:08,718 --> 07:00:16,240
through 6 months, maybe it doesn't work
like that. Maybe can we get by? How many

4142
07:00:13,280 --> 07:00:21,600
months can we get by with um so many
people at a half a million dollars? Can

4143
07:00:18,240 --> 07:00:26,320
we get 90 days? maybe just lose a couple
out of perka. I'll get into it a little

4144
07:00:24,080 --> 07:00:33,280
bit more between now and our I guess our
first public hearing. Um so those are my

4145
07:00:30,320 --> 07:00:36,878
comments. Thank you. So to support your
efforts, the council's efforts, mayor, I

4146
07:00:35,280 --> 07:00:43,760
mean we're going to turn around some
stuff quickly tomorrow um for you and

4147
07:00:41,040 --> 07:00:47,440
looking at Joey.
You don't have to work late tonight

4148
07:00:45,120 --> 07:00:52,160
though, Joey. Well, we're going to turn
around some stuff tomorrow and I want to

4149
07:00:50,080 --> 07:00:55,920
communicate as much as possible as
quickly as possible. You have a week

4150
07:00:54,160 --> 07:01:00,718
before your next meeting. You know, we
did our best to get this information to

4151
07:00:57,680 --> 07:01:06,000
you. Our goal was noon Tuesday and we
got it to you by like 6 Tuesday night.

4152
07:01:03,920 --> 07:01:10,798
Um, and as you can see, there's a lot of
work that went into it. We wanted to get

4153
07:01:07,680 --> 07:01:16,638
it to you as as in advance as possible.
uh because you know there are a lot of

4154
07:01:13,120 --> 07:01:24,878
requests that come in and uh working uh
Joey has been working incredibly hard.

4155
07:01:21,440 --> 07:01:29,120
I can't say it any clearer than that. So
>> it was very reasonable when we got it

4156
07:01:27,280 --> 07:01:32,320
was very reasonable under the
circumstances and I never expected

4157
07:01:31,200 --> 07:01:36,718
anything
>> um

4158
07:01:34,400 --> 07:01:40,478
» other than you can do all you can do is
all you can do

4159
07:01:38,000 --> 07:01:44,958
» and and I know y'all are doing that. So,
thank you.

4160
07:01:42,320 --> 07:01:49,760
Especially with the short notice of
coming off the last meeting. Okay,

4161
07:01:46,478 --> 07:01:54,638
council, we're at 8:06 p.m. What do we
want to do? We don't have to take any

4162
07:01:51,840 --> 07:01:57,440
action. City manager, do you need
>> any direction or anything beyond what

4163
07:01:56,798 --> 07:02:02,878
you've heard?
>> I think I have the direction. Um, but I

4164
07:01:59,840 --> 07:02:08,798
I did need some direction on paid
parking. Do you want to speak about

4165
07:02:06,878 --> 07:02:14,240
that? And it doesn't necessarily have to
be before this budget is approved um

4166
07:02:12,320 --> 07:02:20,160
because there's just not enough time I
think um but the vendor is willing to

4167
07:02:16,878 --> 07:02:24,320
come back but uh he has asked us to ask
you that if there is interest in it then

4168
07:02:22,798 --> 07:02:28,558
he will provide dates and times that
he's available and we can go from there

4169
07:02:26,638 --> 07:02:34,160
and potentially it could be October at
the earliest

4170
07:02:30,478 --> 07:02:34,160
that would be no sooner than October.

4171
07:02:37,200 --> 07:02:46,878
for me to get comfortable with paid
parking. Um I I do have a serious

4172
07:02:42,798 --> 07:02:53,040
security uh and privacy concern. Um like
I expressed when it was first the old

4173
07:02:49,200 --> 07:02:57,200
meters with the quarters and the things,
I'm much more comfortable with those. I

4174
07:02:55,040 --> 07:03:02,080
know the cost goes up on those to
maintain. Somebody's got to handle it.

4175
07:02:58,878 --> 07:03:05,920
might seem somewhat archaic, but this
idea of this world where everywhere you

4176
07:03:03,840 --> 07:03:12,160
go, you know, you're like credit cards
and IDs and license tag readers. Cape

4177
07:03:09,200 --> 07:03:18,478
Canaveral is a small town. We all trot
down to the beach. Kind of makes turns

4178
07:03:14,638 --> 07:03:24,080
my stomach. I love the revenue way more
than uh the tax. I like that form. I

4179
07:03:22,320 --> 07:03:27,120
think due to the timing and everything
going on,

4180
07:03:25,920 --> 07:03:31,520
um,
>> we can continue to pause if that's the

4181
07:03:29,120 --> 07:03:36,478
the will of the council.
>> I'm saying for me, not now. But yeah, I

4182
07:03:34,798 --> 07:03:38,958
think pause is a better way to explain
it. But

4183
07:03:36,958 --> 07:03:44,320
» I already see two one other agrees with
you. So if I have a So I have a majority

4184
07:03:41,600 --> 07:03:48,718
that says let's pause it. So that's all
I needed. Thank you.

4185
07:03:47,600 --> 07:03:52,718
» Appreciate that.
>> Yes, sir. Thank you.

4186
07:03:54,160 --> 07:04:03,520
Okay. Anything else as far as um
direction or anything council we need to

4187
07:04:01,280 --> 07:04:08,638
say or do? Council member Shy,
>> I guess. So, we're looking at we're

4188
07:04:04,958 --> 07:04:12,400
going to wind up between 3.58 and 4.5 is
and I'm probably going to wind up closer

4189
07:04:10,160 --> 07:04:17,760
to 4.5.
>> We we'll come back with what additional

4190
07:04:14,958 --> 07:04:21,200
um modifications that we can make and
we'll we'll see where that lands.

4191
07:04:19,120 --> 07:04:26,160
» Can I throw another question in? Sure.
>> As far as recreation, I know Friday Fest

4192
07:04:23,840 --> 07:04:30,798
is pretty popular. Can we just have a
little sidebar? Here's how much Friday

4193
07:04:27,680 --> 07:04:34,478
Fest would cost to keep. How much would
it cost to do this event? Blah blah

4194
07:04:33,760 --> 07:04:37,680
blah.
>> That'll come with or without sheriff's

4195
07:04:36,160 --> 07:04:39,840
office. Um because
>> a little menu.

4196
07:04:38,798 --> 07:04:42,080
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

4197
07:04:40,160 --> 07:04:49,840
» And then also, I just want to throw this
out there. One thing that

4198
07:04:45,920 --> 07:04:54,080
um Tim presentation last month, street
lighting, I'd love to see something done

4199
07:04:52,320 --> 07:04:59,440
with that because we can we can do that
pretty inexpensively. Fill in all of our

4200
07:04:55,520 --> 07:05:03,478
dark spots for what, $1,800 a month.
Just something to think about.

4201
07:05:03,920 --> 07:05:13,000
And that would be something that the
residents would see all the time.

4202
07:05:08,400 --> 07:05:13,000
Brighter streets, safer streets.

4203
07:05:14,320 --> 07:05:19,600
Okay,
>> they'll be able to see with the light.

4204
07:05:16,638 --> 07:05:23,240
» Gotcha. I'll get up with him.
>> We'll have that conversation.

4205
07:05:24,080 --> 07:05:30,320
» I think at this point we might all want
lights out. [laughter]

4206
07:05:28,320 --> 07:05:34,798
» It's been a long day. Thank you all and
and I know um

4207
07:05:32,718 --> 07:05:39,600
I see all the work that went into it and
it was not at a loss. tough

4208
07:05:37,200 --> 07:05:45,920
conversations,
but I echo uh council and mayor pro Tim.

4209
07:05:43,200 --> 07:05:51,760
Um we will get through this. I believe
that wholeheartedly and especially if we

4210
07:05:48,878 --> 07:05:57,200
can keep our head and I think we're
doing that. So, thank you all

4211
07:05:54,798 --> 07:06:00,478
and and uh
if there's not anything else, Council

4212
07:05:59,200 --> 07:06:03,680
Member King,
>> I'm all set.

4213
07:06:01,520 --> 07:06:07,920
» Okay. Council member Shorette.
>> Council member Willis.

4214
07:06:05,920 --> 07:06:12,638
Do you know what what are the next steps
from here? Because I know next Thursday

4215
07:06:10,558 --> 07:06:16,958
is our budget first budget hearing. Do
we have to meet before then or I'm just

4216
07:06:15,760 --> 07:06:20,320
curious trying to figure out my
schedule.

4217
07:06:18,400 --> 07:06:24,878
» Probably a good idea that
>> I'm sorry you're you're

4218
07:06:21,920 --> 07:06:29,200
» our next our next uh appointment is next
Thursday for the first budget hearing.

4219
07:06:26,478 --> 07:06:31,200
Do do we have to meet before that or
>> as a council?

4220
07:06:30,000 --> 07:06:33,360
» Yeah. I mean does the budget have to be
finalized for that?

4221
07:06:32,000 --> 07:06:36,320
» Yeah, I don't think so. We'll get you a
bunch of information in advance so we

4222
07:06:35,040 --> 07:06:40,000
can make it available to the public
during that meeting and I think you can

4223
07:06:38,320 --> 07:06:42,958
talk about the budget as long as you
need to during that meeting until you're

4224
07:06:42,400 --> 07:06:46,478
done.
>> Okay.

4225
07:06:43,600 --> 07:06:50,400
» Yeah, it's going to be a limited agenda.
Um I think it's already been printed and

4226
07:06:48,160 --> 07:06:54,478
is it been posted?
>> Yeah, it's it's just Yeah, just the

4227
07:06:52,638 --> 07:06:59,680
agenda. It's the standard agenda that
we've had in years past, but we'll have

4228
07:06:56,320 --> 07:07:02,798
additional backup to give you.
>> I thought you were saying meet one. I I

4229
07:07:01,600 --> 07:07:07,600
was saying it'd be a good idea to meet
with the city manager, but meeting as a

4230
07:07:05,040 --> 07:07:10,320
group, I don't think we have to.
>> Mayor Pro Tim, anything from you?

4231
07:07:09,280 --> 07:07:14,080
» We do have the agenda.
>> I always have stuff, but I'm going to

4232
07:07:12,000 --> 07:07:18,958
spare everyone since we've been here so
long.

4233
07:07:15,360 --> 07:07:22,958
» Yes. Thank you all.
>> Y'all good? Any [clears throat] report?

4234
07:07:20,080 --> 07:07:28,600
Anything you need to say? Good.
Awesome. City clerk. Thank you. All

4235
07:07:25,040 --> 07:07:28,600
right. with that.