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Welcome to the Cape Coral City Council regular meeting. Today

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is September 3. This meeting now comes to order. Please

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stand for the invocation. Pledge allegiance by council member Donnell.

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You bow your head, please. Do you have the father?

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I just like to pause and thank you for another

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day. Thank you for this great city that you have

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allowed us to live in. And thank you for family

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and friends. We just thank you. For being who you

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are. Lord, we ask that you would just continue to

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be with us, protect us. Protect our children. Protect our

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families. Please give those who govern, starting with this council,

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the wisdom. To know, being passionate and make decisions that

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are being for the best of the good of all.

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The sisters. We ask that we continue to just be

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safe and prosper, and it's your name we ask these

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blessings. Amen. Amen. Amen. Please join me for the pledge.

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Pledge. Of the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation under God. Indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all. Madam City clerk. Could

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you call the role, please? Yes, your honor, before I

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call the role, I would like to announce that council

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member kadoop will be arriving after roll call, and I

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will mark her so. Mayor venture here, council members. Donnell.

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Here. Kill rain. Lastra. Here. Lehman? Here. Long. Here. Steinki.

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Here. Seven. Present. One. Excused. Okay. Thank you. Before we

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get started, just want to remind everyone who's here today.

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Anyone who wishes to speak to in citizens input. Later

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on in the agenda we have comment cards. To my

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left. Your right on the table. Please fill out a

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card once we get to that. Point. In the agenda.

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The city clerk will call up every individual that fills

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out a card to participate. In citizens input, and I'll

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announce that halfway through the meeting again. Item five is

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changes to the agenda. Do we have any changes to

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the agenda or I'll entertain a motion to adopt the

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agenda as presented. No. I have a couple of changes.

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Okay, go ahead, council member Lehman. All right. I'd like

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to pull resolution 42. 25. Is that when under consent

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agenda. No, sir, it's not. I'm sorry. It is on

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public hearings. And what do you mean by. Pull it.

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I'd like to discuss it further. Once we get to

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that point in the agenda, we will be having that

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discussion. If it's. Under which resolution was it again? 42

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25 and 44 29. Yes, sir. All right, so that

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will be under ordinances and resolution. So there's no. Real

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reason to pull that item until we get to it.

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And then, if you like, when we get started. I

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will go to you first on the floor. Thank you.

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So with that, any other items? Motion to adopt the

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agenda. All right. Thank you. Seeing no other discussion, Madam

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City clerk, could you call the role, please? Lastra? Aye.

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Lehman Aye. Long. Aye, stanky, aye. Center. Aye. Aye. Seven

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eyes. Motion carries. Okay, let's move on. There's recognitions, achievements,

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there's none listed tonight. So we'll move on to item

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seven. Approval of the minutes. Do we have a motion?

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Regarding diminish from the regular meeting of August 20, 2025

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motion. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

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Item eight is business. Eight a is the consent agenda.

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I'll open up the consent agenda. For council to fool

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any items. Council member Kilrang? Yeah. I'd like to pull.

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Let's see. It's the one on the sign. Let's see.

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Is that? Two five. 5525. Number two. Number two. Okay,

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which is resolution 255 25, all right. Is that all

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you have? That's it. All right. Council member Lehman. It's

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the same agenda. The same. 255 25. Yes, sir. And

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council member Caducek. Item number ten, please. Item number ten.

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Which. Is city attorneys employment agreement, item number ten. All

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right. So I will entertain a motion for all remaining

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items on the consent agendas, except for item number two,

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which is resolution 255 25 and the city attorney's second

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amended employment agreement. All right. Any council discussion on the

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remaining items. Seeing none. Madam City clerk, please call the

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role. Lastrum. Aye Lehman, aye long, aye stanky. Aye. Done

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now. Aye. Gunter, aye. Kaduk, aye. Kilraign, aye. All eyes,

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motion carried. Okay, item two is resolution 255 25. I

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think we had two council members request. To pull that.

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Council member Killrain, council member Lehman, council member Kilraign. We'll

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start with you first. Sure. Then I'll go to council

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member Lehman. Sure. The reason? I wanted this poll. I'd

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like to have some discussion about the priority of this

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with. Respect to the spending issues that we are currently

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facing. And the funding of this, so if we could

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get some information based on where the funding is. Coming

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from and how it ranks with our other priorities. We're

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cutting out some serious issues. And serious measures in our

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normal budget. And I just want to make sure that

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this is the right priority in Ephesus. Okay, turn it

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over to Mr. City manager. Absolutely. I will bring up.

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As related to the priority and the reason for it.

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I'll bring up parks and Rec. Director and then from

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the funding. I'll bring up our finance director, Crystal. Regards

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to the sign. Community park. That was been an initiative

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I've had since we've been here. It's been about two

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years in the making. Currently, the sign out there only

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concludes sunsplash since then, we've built the courts and we

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also have some other amenities in the back there that

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we were looking to advertise and really bring attention to

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that facility now. That we have. National tournament here for

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the courts. Sunsplash is doing well, so we really were

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trying to draw attention from Santa Barbara Boulevard to the

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entry point. We've had a lot of tourism. And visitors

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come. To that facility in the first year of its

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operations, and there's nothing marking that the courts is down

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in that location. So, working with sunsplash. I was able

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to work with them. To see if they were amenable

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to put a video board out there. And include assigned

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to include the courts. And they were all for it.

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They said they love to promote the facilities in that

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area. We originally were trying to put. The senior center

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and the special pop center on the sign but just

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didn't fit. How we were laying out the sign. So

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that's how we came to this. It's been, like I

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said, about a year in the making since I started

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this project. It just ended up at a time. As

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where we are today. Is sun Splash making any contribution

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at all on financing? No. This was going to end

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up. An agreement that we take over the sign and

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the operations of all the sign and be able to

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put our advertisements for special events, emergencies, and a lot

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of the other things out there, so. We're really just

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trying to have another video board in the city to

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not only promote our activities and events, but also help

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with emergencies and things like that to notify the public.

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Of anything that. 's going on. Not necessarily allocated to

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sunsplash itself. It's going to be used for a lot

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of other. Opportunities. Concluding the courts. Correct. It'll fall under

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the video board program. That currently communications runs. Okay, thank

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you. Thank you, mayor, council member Lehman. My understanding is

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that. This is not in the budget. This is not

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in the 25 budget. So it would have to be

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an amendment to the 25 budget. So the way I

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look at it, it's a want, not necessarily a need.

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Okay. If staff or Mr. City manager, you can elaborate

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on that. Is this something that's going to be coming

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out of reserves. Good afternoon. Crystal Feast, financial services director.

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That is correct. It is. If approved tonight, it would

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be from the general fund reserves and included in the

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final budget amendment of the fiscal year. Okay. Thank you.

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Any other discussions on this topic? Resolution 255 25. Seeing

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no other discussion, I will entertain a motion for that

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particular resolution. Motion to approve 255 25. 2nd. Have a

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motion and a second. No other discussion, madam. City clerk,

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please call the rope, lastra. Aye. Lehman. Long. Aye. Thank

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you. Aye. Danelle, aye. Gunter, aye. Kaduk, aye. Killrain, aye.

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Seven eyes. One. Nay. Motion carried. Okay, we will move

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on to the next item, which was full, which is

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item number ten. The city attorney's second amended employment agreement.

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And I believe council member Duke pulled that particular item.

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So I'll turn the floor over you now. Thank you,

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mayor. I just thought it was. Important that we just

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go over the six bullet points that we went over

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when we had our meeting regarding. This contract. Very simply,

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what exactly we're giving him and why. I can go

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over the six or if you want to. I know

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that you were working on. The contract amendments with him.

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It doesn't matter to me. Yeah, how about. You, Mr.

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City attorney, you kind of want to maybe give us

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an overview of the changes? Sure. Perfect. So in reference

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to the initial term, it was extended by three years,

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which is in section one. In reference to the compensation.

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That was adjusted the annual base salary at 7.25%. Additionally.

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There was a. I'm sorry, can I stop you there

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just so that we can say. That it was a

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4% market adjustment. That's correct. And the 3.25%? Was on

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merit of the way that we rated you. That's correct.

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And it is 7.25. 4% of it was a market

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adjustment based upon the current market conditions, and then the

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three point. 25 was the merit. Perfect. Thank you. Yes.

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In terms of. An additional there was a leave amendment,

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which is in 4.2 where the accrual rate is 20

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hours and then also authorizing. Me to buy back hours,

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which presently exists right now, but it allowing me to

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buy back additional hours that I have accrued and earned

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since I've been employed here. Also deferred. Compensation as well.

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That's 4.3 and 4.4, allowing. For it to be adjusted

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in future anniversary years. And I think. That's it. Thank

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you. I thought it was just important for the public

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to know and. Hear that we only did have two

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people from the public that attended that meeting, and I

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know a lot of people don't get in the weeds,

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even though all of this information is published and you

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can dig, but I thought it was important that we

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go over that. Thank you. Mayor. Any other discussion. The

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only thing I'd like to maybe elaborate a little further

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on is the 7.25% increase. I think all of council,

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when we had that discussion. Was, I believe, trying to

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make sure that we did the same that we did

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for all of our other bargaining and non bargaining employees,

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and that's what they got this year with 7.25% and

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I think we were trying to stay consistent with that

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number, so I just. Thought that was important to make

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a note of. That's exactly what our other employees had

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gotten this year, and we were trying to follow. Suit,

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so I thought that was important to mention. With that.

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I see no other lights on. I'll entertain a motion

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for this particular item. Motion to approve second. Seeing no

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other discussion, Madam City clerk, please call the role. Lastro.

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Aye. Lehman. Long, aye. Aye. Danelle, aye. Center, aye. Kaduk,

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aye. Killrane, aye. Eight eyes, motion carried. Okay. Item eight

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c is unfinished business. We have follow up items for

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council. There are none listed. Item C two is follow

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up items for city management. We do not have anything

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listed either. Imd is new business. There isn't anything listed.

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We will move on to item nine is ordinances and

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resolutions. And before we get started here, Council member Lehman,

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if you could tell me the two ordinances so I

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can make a note. Here that you wanted to speak

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about. 42 25. And 425. Okay.

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So that's number one and number two on the list

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there. Will be. Okay.

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The next item. Is nine b, which are public hearings.

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Hold on here. I'm sorry. Nine a's. The public hearings?

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Quasi judicial hearings. We're doing. First of which is resolution

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237 25. Madam City Clerk, please read the title resolution.

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237 25, a resolution of the mayor and City Council

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of the City of Cape Coral, Florida, providing for the

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vacation. Of Platt for a portion of platted alley right

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of way and underlying easements between lots. One through eight

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and lots 65 through 72. Block 41 27, unit 59,

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Cape Coral Subdivision. Providing for the vacation of interior platted

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public utility and drainage easements lying in lots one through

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eight. And lots 61 through. 72 block 41 27, unit

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59, Cape Coral Subdivision property located at five northwest 32nd

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place and 14 burnt store road north, providing for an

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effective date. Mr. City attorney. Yes, mayor. I'm just going

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to disclose on behalf of all members of the city

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council that the city manager or I have in fact

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spoken with you regarding this vacation. This is city owned

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property. And as part of it being city owned property,

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there was discussions that we are, in fact, moving forward

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to vacation in order to make the property more marketable

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when it goes up for sale. Okay. Thank you. Any

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other ex parte communications other than with the city attorney

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had mentioned? Okay. This is a quasi judicial hearing. Anyone

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wishing to speak or provide testimony must be sworn in.

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So if you have a desire to weigh in on

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resolution 237 25, please stand up and raise. Your right

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hand. Do you somally swear or affirm to tell the

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whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do. Thank

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you. Okay. We will turn it over to staff to

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begin with. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. For

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the record, Patrick Colton White, senior planner downstairs in DSD.

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This case is resolution 237 25. I have a brief

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PowerPoint presentation for you. As previously noted, this is a

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city initiated case, and the city's proposing to vacate. An

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alley which is located between lots one through eight and

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65 through 72 on 61 to 27. That vacation would

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include any underlying easements under that alley, as well as

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some public utility and drainage easements, which we will be

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basically. Relocating around the perimeter of the new property. The

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two properties that are involved in this vacation are five

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northwest 23rd place and 14 Bernstore. Road. This is located

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at the intersection of Burn Store Road and embers on

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the north. Northwest corner. The property is zoned commercial. The

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city owns these two sites. There are a little over

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2.6 acres. They're currently unimproved. They're separated by a 20

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foot alley. A previous request to vacate the alley was

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denied in 2023. The city has since acquired these properties

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and is proposing to assemble them together. We propose to

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do that by vacating this alley in between them. Exhibit

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a depicts the alley. To be vacated. The platted easements.

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Around on the inside are also proposed to be vacated.

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We will reserve a perimeter. Six foot public. Utility easement

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around the property, and we will also preserve a 30

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foot wide drainage easement. Along the east side along Bernstore

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Road. Staff reviewed this according to LDC three, four, five.

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There's five criteria. Staff found that there were not. Any.

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These easements were not required for any future transportation needs.

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Criteria too. Asked if there were new easements. There were

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not. Criteria. Three questions. Are there alternate routes and there

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are other routes available? Criteria for questions if the closure

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will negatively affect areas for vehicles to turn around. And

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the staff found that no, with the conditions proposed, that

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will not be a significant concern and criteria five asks,

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have the local utility providers provided consent to this vacation?

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They have. And those are included within your extended council

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packet. City staff is recommending approval with the conditions. Identified

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in your resolution. The hearing examiner recommended approval following a

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public hearing on June 3. We've received two phone calls

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that were largely informational. I'll stand by for any of

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your questions and thank you. Okay, thank you. Since we

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are the applicant, we'll move on and open up the

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public. Hearing anyone wishing to speak on resolution 237 25,

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please come forward. Did you want to speak, sir? No,

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you're good. All right, seeing. No one coming forward. The

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public hearing is now closed. Is there a motion regarding

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resolution 237? Motion to approve second. Any council discussion. Council

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member long thank you, mayor. Yeah, real quickly, as far

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as the issue at hand. Certainly support it. Appreciate the

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presentation. I don't know whether it's a question. For you.

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But since we're here talking about the parcel, it's my

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understanding when we acquired it that we talk about marketability.

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We were also going to place deed restrictions on the

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property. Is that forthcoming? Does that have to come before

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us at some point in time? Could that have been

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done that was already authorized by the council at the

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time of acquisition of the property and those deed restrictions

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have already been filed. Okay, so we don't need to

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formalize that. Now. Correct. Thank you for the clarification. Appreciate

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it. No other discussion. We have a motion a second,

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Madam City clerk, please call the rule last round. Aye.

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Lehman. Long. Thank you. Aye. Danelle. Aye. Gunter. Aye. Aye.

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Hill rain, aye. Eight eyes, motion carried. Okay. Move on

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to item nine b, which are legislative public hearings, first

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of which we have is ordinance. 42 25. Madam City

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clerk, please read the title. Ordinance 42 25, an ordinance

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of the mayor and city council of the City of

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Cape Coral, Florida. By repealing in its entirety the city

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of Cape Coral. Florida Code of Ordinances chapter two administration

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article two C division five roads impact fee and by

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creating chapter two, administration article. Two fees, division five mobility

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fees, providing for short title authority and applicability, providing for

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intents and purposes providing for plan, report, and study providing

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for definitions providing for imposition of mobility fees providing for

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exemption from mobility fees providing for mobility fee. Schedule providing

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for mobility determination, providing for agreements, providing for credits, providing

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for mobility fee benefit districts, providing for expenditures, providing for

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refunds, providing for effect on land use allowances, providing for

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administrative manual and administrative charges providing for annual report. Providing

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for review and update, providing for appeals, providing for vested

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rights, providing for penalty, providing for codification. And resolution of

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conflicting laws providing for severability and an effective date. Thank

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you. Council member Lehman, I know you wanted to pull

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this item, but we'll go through the criteria of how

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we normally follow each ordinance, and then when it gets

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to council's discussion, I'll come to you first. Sure. With

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that. I'll turn it over to staff for their presentation.

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Good afternoon, Lord odd Principal. Transportation planner. So what you

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have before you today is ordinance 42 25. It covers

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the mobility plan. And fee. I have with me Jonathan

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Paul with new urban concepts who will provide you a

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presentation. On the technical aspects following. His presentation. I do

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have my own on consistency. So that being said, Jonathan,

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if you would, please. Thank you, Laura. JoNATHAN PAul, Principal

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of New Urban concepts, going to present today the final

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draft or the final version of the City of Cape

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Corals mobility plan and mobility fee. The overall mobility plan

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for the city I was looking out over the 2045

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time horizon includes a road and intersections plan, a multimodal

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plan, a transit plan, and several mobility programs. The vast

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majority of the mobility plan itself. Is made up of

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roadway and intersection improvements that are identified throughout the city.

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A number of these projects. Will be evaluated further as

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they go into the engineering and design phase. And as

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each time the city evaluates its capital improvements program, There'll

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be prioritization of these projects and looking at further evaluations

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and studies. Of these corridors. There's also a multimodal plan

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that includes shared use paths, bicycle lanes and trails. Similar

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to the roadway projects. Each one of these projects will

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be evaluated further. They are subject to design for the

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right of way and annual prioritization as part of the

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capital. Improvements program. The mobility plan also includes at least

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the initial ability to evaluate transit and waterway locations. Studies

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for those corridors and coordination with other transit providers within

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the community. There's a number of steps that have been

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involved and documented in the mobility fee technical report. These

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are largely in place to document how the plan and

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the fee are consistent with both case law and Florida

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statute. The. City's fee is broken down into assessment

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areas where the fee will vary per assessment area. The

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way. These current areas are established is within the comprehensive

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plan of the city, and they are linked to the

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city's zoning and land use schedules. There are two proposed

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benefit districts. Which identifies where the fees can be expended

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within the city. The ordinance also provides a number of

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provisions that allows for cross spending between these districts. If

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there is a finding that a mobility benefit is provided

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within both of those districts. As I mentioned earlier, there

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are multiple assessment areas. In terms of the actual calculation

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itself, the South Cape core has a lower schedule, and

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then the rest of the city, even though it's broken

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down into three assessment areas, all have a uniform schedule

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for each assessment area so they do not vary in

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the future. If the city council would like as part

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of future. Updates to vary those they would be able

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to do so at that time. Right now, we found

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that the difference between the three other assessment areas was

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not that significant. To warrant differences in terms of the

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overall assessments. The South Cape core is a very compact

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area, and it does have less of an overall impact.

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To the city, which is one of the reasons why.

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There's a different schedule for this area. Just to go

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through these fees quickly, and then if there's any questions,

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I'd. Be happy to address any specific one. The attainable

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housing category that we've established right now, it's a recommended

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value. Of up to $350,000 or less. That fee is

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actually lower than your existing fee today, therefore. Per statute

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and per phasing, it would just be phased in as

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a unified fee per dwelling unit of roughly $2,700 over

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the four years for a single family detached. We have

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broken this down into a phasing schedule that goes into

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effect January 1 of each year, and these are broken

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down in roughly equal incre. Increments between the four year

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time horizon. Swallowing in 2026, the fee for a single

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family home in the South Cape would be $4,200 as

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of January 1, 2027, it would go up to roughly

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$5,000 January 1, 2028, would go up to $5,700. And

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then by the time. 2029 comes around, the fee would

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be full calculated value of $6,400 per dwelling. Unit. Likewise,

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these are different types of fees for the variety of

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land uses on the mobility fee schedule they include hotels,

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mobile residents. There are local retail uses, multitenant free sanding

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and convenience retail uses. Other uses for places of worship,

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for long term care and private education. There are also

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fees associated with office and medical, and each one of

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these categories. They're all phased in inquo increments over a

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four year period, so. None of these uses are treated

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any differently, and they all are phased in over a

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multi year. Period. For industrial uses. And the technical report

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that I illustrated earlier documents all the calculations that go

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behind. This. And then for the rest of the city.

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While we have identified the three assessment areas, the south

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Cape, the central Cape, and the North Cape. Consistent with

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your comprehensive plan? The fee itself is a uniform fee

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for each one of those, so it does not vary

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whether you're in the south Cape, the central Cape, or.

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The North Cape. We'd had previous iterations. Where these fees

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did vary between them. Based on analysis. That we've conducted.

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Based on the feedback, we've recommended that they have a

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uniform. Rate for each of the assessment areas, and then

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in four years, when the city goes to reevaluate this.

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They may consider changes to that in the future. So

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similar to. The South Cape Corps. The fees would be

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phased in over a four year period, so as of

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right now for a single family detached dwelling unit. The

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fee as of January 1, 2026, Would be $5,120. As

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of January 1, 2027, it would go up to $6,700.

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As of January 1, 2028, it would go up to

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$8,300, and then the fully calculated rate would be roughly

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$9,989 as of 2029, and then, per Florida Statute, the

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city would likely have already undertaken the process to update

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its fee starting in 2029. And then whatever the results

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of that study are, those would go into effect as

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of 2030. This is similarly done for multi family uses,

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for hotel uses, and for mobile residents. Similarly for local

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retail uses and multitenant for multitenant. Shopping center. The fee

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would be $7,200 as of this year, January 1, 2026.

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2027 would be $8,700. 2028 would be $10,000, and then

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2029 it would be 11,700. This phasing is based on

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recommendation and feedback we've received from the council and from

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other interested parties to help mitigate some of the overall

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impact of the increase itself. This does provide some opportunity

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for those that are currently in the process of building

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or planning. To not be hit with a substantial increase,

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but ultimately, by the time this fee gets updated again,

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in 2030, it should be more reflective of the overall

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cost. At that time, and hopefully in the future there

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won't be the need for as significant of an increase

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to the overall. Fee going forward. These again are provided

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for. The various uses that are out there. Office for

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medical. For recreation type uses. Industrial uses and general aviation.

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There's been a lot of discussion over the last several

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months over this overall fee and schedule. It is detailed

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in the ordinance and it is detailed also in our

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technical report. And if there's any individual questions, I'd be

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happy to answer any of those. Thank you. Very much.

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Thank you. Any other comments from staff before I move

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on? Thank you. So, Laura Dodd, I do have a

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presentation on consistency with the comprehensive plan, and then similarly,

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if there's any questions relating to how this plan relates

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to growth management, we also have a presentation by David

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Farmer. Should counsel elect?

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So ordinance 42 25 is city initiated text amendment, mobility

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plan and fee. Essentially, it repeals and replaces. The antiquated

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road impact fee system with a new, more modern mobility

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fee mobility plan and fee system. This includes a fee

467
00:32:42,686 --> 00:32:48,726
structure, calculation, assessment and benefit districts, extraordinary circumstances, study credits,

468
00:32:48,726 --> 00:32:54,477
agreements, exemptions and refunds. This analysis considers consistency. With the

469
00:32:54,477 --> 00:32:59,917
comprehensive plan, guiding documents, public outreach, extraordinary circumstances and staff's

470
00:32:59,917 --> 00:33:04,135
recommendation. So, as part of the evaluation of this plan,

471
00:33:04,135 --> 00:33:08,255
we did consider consistency with the comprehensive plan in summarization.

472
00:33:08,255 --> 00:33:12,295
What this plan accomplishes is safe balance and economical system.

473
00:33:13,727 --> 00:33:20,415
Adequate funding, innovative funding, and encourages compact, multimodal design. Similarly,

474
00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:24,775
it dovetails well into our guiding documents, and it embodies

475
00:33:24,775 --> 00:33:28,615
furthering those initiatives. That we've already undertaken throughout the city.

476
00:33:28,615 --> 00:33:34,184
This includes the city's complete streets policy. It delivers directly

477
00:33:34,184 --> 00:33:38,824
the priority. Project number one from the multimodal plan incorporates

478
00:33:38,824 --> 00:33:43,418
the MpO long range transportation plan. Safety provisions and, of

479
00:33:43,418 --> 00:33:47,563
course, the interactive growth model. As part of the process,

480
00:33:47,563 --> 00:33:53,622
we did extensive public outreach. Within this table. You're seeing

481
00:33:53,622 --> 00:33:56,982
to date where we've been, something that's important to point.

482
00:33:56,982 --> 00:34:01,662
Out is we've had approximately ten public hearings that does

483
00:34:01,662 --> 00:34:06,291
not include. The coordination with stakeholders such as the MPO,

484
00:34:06,291 --> 00:34:11,406
adjacent communities, or internal staff review. Some of the key

485
00:34:11,406 --> 00:34:14,486
themes and feedback that we received as part of this

486
00:34:14,486 --> 00:34:21,516
process included concerns over a dramatic fee rate increase. And

487
00:34:21,516 --> 00:34:24,916
then furthermore, as part of the survey posted on the

488
00:34:24,916 --> 00:34:28,916
public website, we did see a clear opportunity for improvement

489
00:34:28,916 --> 00:34:32,516
in the city's transportation network, and that survey is posted

490
00:34:32,516 --> 00:34:36,801
within your packet. So as it relates to consistency with

491
00:34:36,801 --> 00:34:44,531
the comprehensive plan, The mobility fee and plan system includes

492
00:34:44,531 --> 00:34:48,371
a lot of policy decisions that were incorporated to bring

493
00:34:48,371 --> 00:34:54,249
this forward to you today. From staff's recommendation. All of

494
00:34:54,249 --> 00:35:00,174
the plans proposals, including the policy decisions, are consistent. So

495
00:35:00,174 --> 00:35:03,638
how we got here today? I know that this has

496
00:35:03,638 --> 00:35:07,718
been shown several times, but the road impact fee over

497
00:35:07,718 --> 00:35:12,483
the course of history. Was last updated in 2006 and

498
00:35:12,483 --> 00:35:17,193
has not been updated for 19 years. Part of the

499
00:35:17,193 --> 00:35:23,824
extraordinary circumstances study. It is a technical document that evaluates

500
00:35:23,824 --> 00:35:28,016
criteria. Some of that criteria is listed. In this table.

501
00:35:28,016 --> 00:35:32,807
Most importantly, what staff has undertaken is. A rigorous effort

502
00:35:32,807 --> 00:35:36,407
to get the best data to accompany the mobility plan

503
00:35:36,407 --> 00:35:40,207
and fee in the extraordinary circumstances study. What that involves

504
00:35:40,207 --> 00:35:45,807
is the 2024 citywide traffic counts, but also it incorporates

505
00:35:45,807 --> 00:35:50,207
David Farmer's data on growth and growth management, which directly

506
00:35:50,207 --> 00:35:53,243
aided in the data of the plan. So, that being

507
00:35:53,243 --> 00:35:58,620
said, Staff finds that the mobility plan and fee is

508
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:02,020
consistent with the comprehensive plan and then furthers the health,

509
00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:05,460
safety and welfare of the community. Other factors may be

510
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:10,095
deemed appropriate for discussion by council. That being said, staff

511
00:36:10,095 --> 00:36:13,455
finds that the plan is consistent with the comprehensive plan

512
00:36:13,455 --> 00:36:16,975
and guiding documents and recommends approval. If there's any questions,

513
00:36:16,975 --> 00:36:23,919
I'd be happy to take them. Okay. Thank you. I'll

514
00:36:23,919 --> 00:36:26,519
now open up the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak

515
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:31,432
on ordinance 42 25. Please come forward. Use the podium

516
00:36:31,432 --> 00:36:33,952
to my right. Your left. If you just want to

517
00:36:33,952 --> 00:36:41,957
get in. Line. Anyone who wishes to speak. Good afternoon,

518
00:36:41,957 --> 00:36:44,277
council and city staff. My name is Kevin Bester, director

519
00:36:44,277 --> 00:36:46,717
of public policy for the Royal Palm Coast Realtor Association.

520
00:36:46,717 --> 00:36:48,637
I think I've spoken to many of you in this.

521
00:36:48,637 --> 00:36:53,512
Process. That our association has no problem with mobility fee.

522
00:36:53,512 --> 00:36:57,292
We obviously understand that the city. Has infrastructure needs and

523
00:36:57,292 --> 00:36:59,612
they need money to pay for it. We totally understand

524
00:36:59,612 --> 00:37:04,745
that. Our concern is the use of extraordinary circumstances. We

525
00:37:04,745 --> 00:37:07,705
believe that statutorily you have the ability to raise your

526
00:37:07,705 --> 00:37:10,425
mobility fee twelve and a half percent every year for

527
00:37:10,425 --> 00:37:13,990
four years to a total of 50%. All of this

528
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:17,630
increases up to 300% would increase the cost of housing

529
00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:21,070
significantly in an already challenging market. I think last time

530
00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:24,190
we spoke, I told you all that the average teacher

531
00:37:24,190 --> 00:37:28,710
in Lee county was making $48,000 and that a mortgage

532
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:32,536
for something they could afford. With flood insurance would be

533
00:37:32,536 --> 00:37:37,176
around $2,400 a month. Now that at $48,000 a year.

534
00:37:37,176 --> 00:37:41,495
I think you all understand. Is not an affordable product

535
00:37:41,495 --> 00:37:47,723
that doesn't include. A potential $42,000 assessment that the people

536
00:37:47,723 --> 00:37:49,963
in the north, east and west have hanging over their

537
00:37:49,963 --> 00:37:55,003
heads for UEP. So yes, I see the affordable housing

538
00:37:55,003 --> 00:37:58,763
numbers or attainable housing. Numbers and mobility fee structure for

539
00:37:58,763 --> 00:38:04,283
$350,000 property. That $350,000 property is not including the $42,000

540
00:38:04,283 --> 00:38:07,511
assessment. It is not including insurance costs. It is not

541
00:38:07,511 --> 00:38:13,063
including. Increased interest rates and all of these things. Just

542
00:38:13,063 --> 00:38:16,263
increases to the cost of housing. I know you're going

543
00:38:16,263 --> 00:38:19,343
to introduce another ordinance later. This evening for a $350

544
00:38:19,343 --> 00:38:22,023
increase in fee on the back end for when these

545
00:38:22,023 --> 00:38:24,383
people buy. A house and then rent it out. It's

546
00:38:24,383 --> 00:38:26,623
just fee after fee after fee on the real estate

547
00:38:26,623 --> 00:38:30,183
industry, in the building industry. And at some point, Margaret

548
00:38:30,183 --> 00:38:32,303
fashion once said, you run out. Of other people's money.

549
00:38:33,085 --> 00:38:41,979
No clapping, please. Good evening, mayor. City council. I do

550
00:38:41,979 --> 00:38:49,715
appreciate what everybody's been doing on mobility fees. Mike Hills

551
00:38:49,715 --> 00:38:52,115
isn't. The city manager has made some adjustments, and we

552
00:38:52,115 --> 00:38:54,555
appreciate that. My name is wake Cunninger. I'm the executive

553
00:38:54,555 --> 00:39:00,140
director for the CCCIA here in Cape Coral. And. We

554
00:39:00,140 --> 00:39:02,820
represent builders, developers and many businesses that contribute to our

555
00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:08,268
city's continued growth and prosperity. That being said, in strong

556
00:39:08,268 --> 00:39:12,337
coordination with my industry partners, That are behind me and

557
00:39:12,337 --> 00:39:15,937
just spoke. We are not opposed to the mobility fee,

558
00:39:15,937 --> 00:39:19,955
but we need some clarification on a few things. First,

559
00:39:19,955 --> 00:39:22,355
per the information presented on the City of Cape Corps

560
00:39:22,355 --> 00:39:26,315
website, the fees are primarily focused on existing deficiencies that

561
00:39:26,315 --> 00:39:30,075
does not comport with state statute as new development cannot

562
00:39:30,075 --> 00:39:34,675
be charged for existing deficiencies only on future impact. We'd

563
00:39:34,675 --> 00:39:37,555
like some clarity on that. One of the items that

564
00:39:37,555 --> 00:39:41,650
we did have other. Than. The block of 1000 sqft.

565
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:46,701
Has been rectified. We appreciate that. Thank you. We believe

566
00:39:46,701 --> 00:39:49,021
these issues need to be corrected. Before any support or

567
00:39:49,021 --> 00:39:52,141
mobility fee. We are not against the mobility fee. We

568
00:39:52,141 --> 00:39:55,221
support the twelve and a half percent annual increase to

569
00:39:55,221 --> 00:39:58,181
the existing fee. That is our stance at the CCCia.

570
00:40:00,236 --> 00:40:01,876
We would ask that the increase have a 90 day

571
00:40:01,876 --> 00:40:05,036
implementation period. And we do have that looks like January

572
00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:07,796
1 is when it would happen. So we appreciate that.

573
00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:10,236
So that the builders and developers and homeowners have time

574
00:40:10,236 --> 00:40:14,700
to adjust their budgets and plans accordingly. Again. I appreciate

575
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:19,179
your time. I do appreciate the adjustments. I. Think that

576
00:40:19,179 --> 00:40:21,179
this is a tough pill to swallow for all of

577
00:40:21,179 --> 00:40:24,859
our members, but you'll make the right decision on doing

578
00:40:24,859 --> 00:40:27,939
this and going forward. Thank you for your time. Thank

579
00:40:27,939 --> 00:40:37,890
you. Mayor Council Philip Ford, executive director

580
00:40:37,890 --> 00:40:42,380
for the Lead Building Industry Association. I'm not going to

581
00:40:42,380 --> 00:40:44,860
repeat the things I've been saying for months to you.

582
00:40:44,860 --> 00:40:47,180
Guys. I thought I'd take a different approach because I

583
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:50,380
think some things get left out. When you are deciding

584
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,300
these issues, and I think a lot of times we

585
00:40:53,300 --> 00:40:55,940
look at it in a myopic viewpoint. So I'd like

586
00:40:55,940 --> 00:40:57,580
to lay out a few things that I think are

587
00:40:57,580 --> 00:41:01,696
overlooked or ignored. And the cumulative impact these fees and

588
00:41:01,696 --> 00:41:03,936
policies have on our industry. And I think let's take

589
00:41:03,936 --> 00:41:06,096
a look at the last two years in Cape Coral

590
00:41:06,096 --> 00:41:13,129
and estate. Road now mobility fee increases UEP expansion cost

591
00:41:13,129 --> 00:41:16,609
higher water and sewer impact fees new septic tank requirements

592
00:41:16,609 --> 00:41:20,129
mandated out of the state increase the cost. The people

593
00:41:20,129 --> 00:41:22,049
who already paid for those in their homes are now

594
00:41:22,049 --> 00:41:27,562
going to have to pay to the UEP. I've received

595
00:41:27,562 --> 00:41:31,322
20 notice to industries from the building department in the

596
00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:33,922
city over the last year, it's probably 40 or more.

597
00:41:33,922 --> 00:41:36,242
If you added up over the last two years, many

598
00:41:36,242 --> 00:41:39,722
of which had more regulations and more time to the

599
00:41:39,722 --> 00:41:44,082
cost construction of homes and commercial businesses. Now we're hearing

600
00:41:44,082 --> 00:41:47,806
we may need rising permit fees. On the horizon because.

601
00:41:49,574 --> 00:41:53,335
Of shortfalls in the building department. We're probably looking at

602
00:41:53,335 --> 00:41:56,415
$65,000 or more over the last two years to the

603
00:41:56,415 --> 00:42:01,324
increased cost of homes in the city. Who's counting? Right

604
00:42:01,324 --> 00:42:03,724
on top of this, let's look at the market salaries

605
00:42:03,724 --> 00:42:06,724
in this areas haven't kept up. Interest rates are high,

606
00:42:06,724 --> 00:42:10,577
construction costs continue to be out of control. Commercial costs

607
00:42:10,577 --> 00:42:13,097
from government fees and regulations are passed on directly to

608
00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:17,337
the consumer. The result? Affordability. In southwest Florida, in my

609
00:42:17,337 --> 00:42:21,646
opinion, is dead or almost dead. And this perpetual increase

610
00:42:21,646 --> 00:42:24,886
of building of layer and layer of feeds and codes

611
00:42:24,886 --> 00:42:28,046
and things are driving the working man and woman out

612
00:42:28,046 --> 00:42:33,122
of Cape Coral and southwest Florida and Florida. I hear

613
00:42:33,122 --> 00:42:38,177
people say, Oh, well. We want to fix affordability. How

614
00:42:38,177 --> 00:42:41,617
many council meetings and meetings I've been in over? The

615
00:42:41,617 --> 00:42:45,858
years. Private meetings. But we're not seeing that. We see

616
00:42:45,858 --> 00:42:48,738
what the policies and things are continuing to make. It

617
00:42:48,738 --> 00:42:51,738
worse. I know this ordinance is probably going to pass.

618
00:42:51,738 --> 00:42:55,378
I appreciate all you guys talking to us and working

619
00:42:55,378 --> 00:42:58,938
with us on this and where we've come to, but

620
00:42:58,938 --> 00:43:01,898
it's not just about $1,600 a year. It's a lot

621
00:43:01,898 --> 00:43:06,242
more than that. And for every. $1,000 increase that we

622
00:43:06,242 --> 00:43:10,162
have in the cost of a home. It's about 116,000

623
00:43:10,162 --> 00:43:14,390
people that can't afford a home nationwide. So just add

624
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:17,190
that onto it. I thank you for your time, but

625
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:20,643
we can't continue. To go down this road. Of just

626
00:43:20,643 --> 00:43:25,163
building layer and layer and layer of fees and regulations.

627
00:43:25,163 --> 00:43:27,843
The working man and woman cannot afford to live anymore.

628
00:43:27,843 --> 00:43:32,696
Thank you. Hello. My name is Lucas Cesario. I'm a

629
00:43:32,696 --> 00:43:35,576
small builder here and I build houses. Here in the

630
00:43:35,576 --> 00:43:39,776
cape. I've been here roughly 23 years, and the reason

631
00:43:39,776 --> 00:43:45,766
I'm speaking about this mobility fee is. The price of

632
00:43:45,766 --> 00:43:50,212
a home will substantially go up. And in a time

633
00:43:50,212 --> 00:43:54,549
crisis where. We need affordable housing. That's going to be

634
00:43:54,549 --> 00:43:59,138
dang near impossible. So if we keep on raising the

635
00:43:59,138 --> 00:44:04,073
fees, not only inspection fees, Not only fees on extra.

636
00:44:05,579 --> 00:44:08,299
For instance, surveys. Even on just a pool build, now

637
00:44:08,299 --> 00:44:11,619
you're requiring survey. Everything has gone. Up across the board.

638
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:19,221
And. It continually goes up. And our market is dropping.

639
00:44:19,346 --> 00:44:23,887
It's destroyed. And effectively right now. If we continue to

640
00:44:23,887 --> 00:44:27,970
increase rates on everything around us. We're only going to

641
00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:33,903
sabotage ourselves. I'm begging you guys to consider. This. You

642
00:44:33,903 --> 00:44:37,743
say since 2006, it hasn't been increased, but the volume

643
00:44:37,743 --> 00:44:41,543
of houses here that have impact. Fees since 2006 have

644
00:44:41,543 --> 00:44:45,783
substantially increased. If you do a simple Google search on

645
00:44:45,783 --> 00:44:50,463
how many permits were pulled since 2006 to today, there's

646
00:44:50,463 --> 00:44:55,949
approximately about $82 million. For roads and sidewalks that were

647
00:44:55,949 --> 00:45:01,265
in the budget just by taking a $3,500. Impact fee

648
00:45:01,265 --> 00:45:05,017
that is substantial right now. And where's the money going?

649
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,506
If we're increasing on the houses. The build around us

650
00:45:10,506 --> 00:45:13,746
and the amount of projects that have increased since then.

651
00:45:15,097 --> 00:45:17,897
Why do we need more money in roads that have

652
00:45:17,897 --> 00:45:21,881
not been addressed since I've been here. That's all I

653
00:45:21,881 --> 00:45:27,987
have to say. Thank you, sir. Good evening, mayor and

654
00:45:27,987 --> 00:45:30,467
council Donna Jermaine, president and CEO of the Chamber of

655
00:45:30,467 --> 00:45:32,907
Commerce of Cape Coral. I'm not going to reread our

656
00:45:32,907 --> 00:45:36,427
entire position paper, and I appreciate staff, including that in

657
00:45:36,427 --> 00:45:43,535
their packet for this meeting again. We do support mobility

658
00:45:43,535 --> 00:45:45,855
fees, but we support it at the twelve and a

659
00:45:45,855 --> 00:45:51,108
half increase over four. Years per state law. We do

660
00:45:51,108 --> 00:45:54,868
not believe that extraordinary costs are justified in this case.

661
00:45:56,103 --> 00:45:58,663
We do need to diversify our tax base, as you

662
00:45:58,663 --> 00:46:03,308
know. So we appreciate you guys considering. We appreciate the

663
00:46:03,308 --> 00:46:07,596
lowering, but we feel that. We still support the twelve

664
00:46:07,596 --> 00:46:09,356
and a half percent increase over four and a half

665
00:46:09,356 --> 00:46:14,622
years or four years. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, Jillian.

666
00:46:14,622 --> 00:46:18,142
Target citizen, not a builder. I've been watching this city

667
00:46:18,142 --> 00:46:21,798
since the 90s. I've lived here a long time. And

668
00:46:21,798 --> 00:46:26,291
I wasn't going to speak till Kevin said. You're pricing

669
00:46:26,291 --> 00:46:29,649
people out of the city. And they have nowhere to

670
00:46:29,649 --> 00:46:33,049
go. Not everyone in the city can afford to live

671
00:46:33,049 --> 00:46:39,393
here because. We have no jobs, no industry. The waste

672
00:46:39,393 --> 00:46:42,951
money is just in this room. All of the increases.

673
00:46:42,951 --> 00:46:45,431
You just talked about giving an increase in salary here,

674
00:46:45,431 --> 00:46:47,951
but unfortunately, the people that are buying the houses aren't

675
00:46:47,951 --> 00:46:51,631
getting that lucky, so maybe ought to think about that.

676
00:46:51,631 --> 00:46:55,151
Because we're not all making $300,000 a year. Some of

677
00:46:55,151 --> 00:46:59,311
these people are. Making the 40, $50,000 a year, especially

678
00:46:59,311 --> 00:47:03,499
the people that work for you. The lower people. That

679
00:47:03,499 --> 00:47:05,739
aren't at the top of the food chain. So think

680
00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:08,684
about what you're doing? Because. The city doesn't have enough

681
00:47:08,684 --> 00:47:10,844
people to buy the houses that are here now, and

682
00:47:10,844 --> 00:47:12,684
now. You're just going to increase the cost of new

683
00:47:12,684 --> 00:47:18,108
construction. Has been construction as long as I've lived in

684
00:47:18,108 --> 00:47:21,710
Cape Coral. That's it. Our only industry. So now you're

685
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:24,070
going to attack them? Because they're the only people that

686
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:28,070
could. Possibly pocket that you have left to pick. Stop

687
00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:31,750
picking their pocket. Let them build their houses and find

688
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:34,590
other ways to cut cost instead of throwing it on

689
00:47:34,590 --> 00:47:44,117
this end of the dyess. Thank you. Thank you. Good

690
00:47:44,117 --> 00:47:46,437
afternoon, Mr. Mayor and council. My name is Richard Durling.

691
00:47:46,437 --> 00:47:49,357
I'm with Marvin Holmes. We're a single family home builder

692
00:47:49,357 --> 00:47:53,183
that was founded here in Cape Coral. 53 years ago

693
00:47:53,183 --> 00:47:56,703
in 1972. So we've seen all of these fees over

694
00:47:56,703 --> 00:48:00,847
the years continue. To grow. If this ordinance is your

695
00:48:00,847 --> 00:48:03,927
efforts to curb and control growth, you're heading in the

696
00:48:03,927 --> 00:48:06,527
right. Direction, because that's exactly what you're going to do

697
00:48:06,527 --> 00:48:12,408
here. This is a regressive, discriminatory tax, nothing more. It's

698
00:48:12,408 --> 00:48:16,488
penalizing new construction and new residents. You're not taking into

699
00:48:16,488 --> 00:48:19,728
account all of the additional residents and people who buy

700
00:48:19,728 --> 00:48:23,437
resale homes and move into this community. And impact this

701
00:48:23,437 --> 00:48:26,197
community. And this has been a problem in the state

702
00:48:26,197 --> 00:48:29,477
of Florida for years. You could address that with your

703
00:48:29,477 --> 00:48:32,357
state legislature if you really wanted to make an effort

704
00:48:32,357 --> 00:48:36,437
to raise funds. To address your problems, but instead, you're

705
00:48:36,437 --> 00:48:38,797
going after the weak link, which is the people. Who

706
00:48:38,797 --> 00:48:42,597
are not here yet. New residents and new businesses. And

707
00:48:42,597 --> 00:48:45,798
believe me, You're going to deter new construction if you

708
00:48:45,798 --> 00:48:50,815
impose these new fees. Lastly, if you're looking potentially for

709
00:48:50,815 --> 00:48:55,860
the possibility. Of extraordinary circumstance lawsuit, you potentially are going

710
00:48:55,860 --> 00:49:00,602
to open yourself up to that as well. So. I

711
00:49:00,602 --> 00:49:02,962
really want you to consider the ramifications of what you're

712
00:49:02,962 --> 00:49:06,562
doing here today. And think long and hard about the

713
00:49:06,562 --> 00:49:11,571
consequences of these actions. Thank you for your time. Thank

714
00:49:11,571 --> 00:49:14,972
you. Anyone else wishing to speak during the public hearing

715
00:49:14,972 --> 00:49:21,654
for ordinance 42 25. See a none. Public hearing is

716
00:49:21,654 --> 00:49:29,940
now closed. And. Before we move forward, I'll entertain a

717
00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:35,766
motion regarding ordinance 42 25. Motion to approve. No, I

718
00:49:35,766 --> 00:49:37,886
want to discuss it. We will discuss it. That's how

719
00:49:37,886 --> 00:49:41,246
the process works. Motion to approve second. All right, we

720
00:49:41,246 --> 00:49:43,726
have a motion in a second, so I'll. Open up

721
00:49:43,726 --> 00:49:48,965
for council discussion. And we will start off with the

722
00:49:48,965 --> 00:49:55,412
council member Lehman. Yes. Thank you to all. Of you

723
00:49:55,412 --> 00:50:01,024
that spoke. And I agree with the 12.5%. I think

724
00:50:01,024 --> 00:50:06,311
we're pricing things. Out of kick, Coral. We're not helping

725
00:50:06,311 --> 00:50:11,604
things. We're making it worse. If. We want to expand.

726
00:50:12,989 --> 00:50:16,789
And grow our community, whether it be commercial or residential.

727
00:50:18,383 --> 00:50:21,703
We need to make it advantageous. Anything over twelve and

728
00:50:21,703 --> 00:50:25,717
a half percent. Is, I think we're asking too much,

729
00:50:25,717 --> 00:50:28,317
and I think then we're pricing ourselves. Out of the

730
00:50:28,317 --> 00:50:35,325
area, and we're going to curtail growth. Thank you. Council

731
00:50:35,325 --> 00:50:38,645
member Stanky. Thank you, mayor. It's a tough one for

732
00:50:38,645 --> 00:50:45,580
me. I'm in both the real estate business and the

733
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:49,345
building business. And tough decisions is what this job is

734
00:50:49,345 --> 00:50:55,645
all about. So for me, there's some facts. That I

735
00:50:55,645 --> 00:50:59,174
had to consider, and it required that. I looked up

736
00:50:59,174 --> 00:51:01,534
some information to try to make my decisions based on

737
00:51:01,534 --> 00:51:04,987
data more than anything else. It's been said that figures

738
00:51:04,987 --> 00:51:11,283
lie and liars figure. So I want to just give

739
00:51:11,283 --> 00:51:14,203
you some figures, and I want my colleagues to have

740
00:51:14,203 --> 00:51:17,923
those same figures that I had access to and drew

741
00:51:17,923 --> 00:51:23,163
upon. There's been discussion over this fee not changing for

742
00:51:23,163 --> 00:51:29,011
19 years. And I've said it before. This is a

743
00:51:29,011 --> 00:51:31,811
decision around what it costs to build the infrastructure that

744
00:51:31,811 --> 00:51:35,760
we're asked to. Build. We continually are told that we're

745
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,640
behind in infrastructure. We need more infrastructure. We hear it.

746
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,407
All the time. Well, then you have to come down

747
00:51:42,407 --> 00:51:45,727
to the point of what is that infrastructure cost to

748
00:51:45,727 --> 00:51:48,887
build? And I think that we've all seen costs of

749
00:51:48,887 --> 00:51:54,176
everything. Over the last 19 years go up. And so

750
00:51:54,176 --> 00:51:58,696
the cost of these infrastructure improvements, the roads, the intersections,

751
00:51:58,696 --> 00:52:02,256
roundabouts, traffic signals, all the things that are required. Road

752
00:52:02,256 --> 00:52:08,282
widening. To accommodate. Those 27,000 new homes for the last

753
00:52:08,282 --> 00:52:13,608
five years to accommodate. The automobiles. The bicycles, all of

754
00:52:13,608 --> 00:52:19,608
it. The widening and the different types of traffic control

755
00:52:19,608 --> 00:52:24,405
devices required to make that movement safe. Needs to be

756
00:52:24,405 --> 00:52:28,445
put in place, and that comes at a price. And

757
00:52:28,445 --> 00:52:35,074
so to blame the affordability of housing. On the investment

758
00:52:35,074 --> 00:52:40,349
required to provide the infrastructure that's necessary for it. Might

759
00:52:40,349 --> 00:52:41,909
be a little short sighted, and I just wanted to

760
00:52:41,909 --> 00:52:45,144
share with you a little bit of information. That causes

761
00:52:45,144 --> 00:52:47,913
me to think that. If we go back to the

762
00:52:47,913 --> 00:52:53,087
five year period between 2015 and 2020. I'm sorry. The

763
00:52:53,087 --> 00:53:02,250
median. Cost of a new construction home. In Cape Gorell

764
00:53:02,250 --> 00:53:09,428
went from $227,730. In 2015. To

765
00:53:09,428 --> 00:53:19,098
$236,223. In 2020. That represented a 3.7%

766
00:53:19,098 --> 00:53:27,033
increase over five years. From 2020 to 2025. That

767
00:53:27,033 --> 00:53:35,377
236,223 went to $399,000. That is a 69.

768
00:53:37,853 --> 00:53:44,015
Percent increase. In just the cost of the home. From

769
00:53:44,015 --> 00:53:51,848
21 to 22. That price went from $355,000 to

770
00:53:51,848 --> 00:53:59,516
$455,000. In one year. No one came to the podium

771
00:53:59,516 --> 00:54:02,116
and said, builders, you can't charge that much for a

772
00:54:02,116 --> 00:54:06,887
home. The reason why they had to charge that much

773
00:54:06,887 --> 00:54:09,367
for a home is because that's what the cost of

774
00:54:09,367 --> 00:54:16,918
materials. Caused them to do. It wasn't a choice of

775
00:54:16,918 --> 00:54:19,798
let's decide to gouge the public because everyone wants to

776
00:54:19,798 --> 00:54:23,878
live here. So let's charge outlandish money and get huge

777
00:54:23,878 --> 00:54:28,595
profits. So studies are done and we call upon experts

778
00:54:28,595 --> 00:54:31,155
to tell us what do these roads and these improvements

779
00:54:31,155 --> 00:54:39,817
cost. The county. Lee county did that in 2018. And

780
00:54:39,817 --> 00:54:45,661
that's where that almost $10,000 number comes from. Yet in

781
00:54:45,661 --> 00:54:49,141
2018, the City of Cape Coral did not increase anything

782
00:54:49,141 --> 00:54:54,573
from the $3,300 to go to the ten grand. So

783
00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:57,293
when we looked at this, we had another study done,

784
00:54:57,293 --> 00:55:02,709
just like Lee county did. So in 2024, that study

785
00:55:02,709 --> 00:55:07,838
came back and said, it's not 10,000, it's 14,000. And

786
00:55:07,838 --> 00:55:14,142
when that number came out. All hell broke loose. And

787
00:55:14,142 --> 00:55:18,902
that's where the negotiation and the discussions with CccIa Lee

788
00:55:18,902 --> 00:55:23,029
bia came in. And said, That's a huge increase. It

789
00:55:23,029 --> 00:55:26,700
could really cripple us. So what do we do to

790
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:30,340
still be able to afford the infrastructure improvements necessary for

791
00:55:30,340 --> 00:55:32,940
the growth? To attempt in some way to have growth,

792
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:41,160
pay for growth. And so that 1600 $700. That would

793
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,680
go into effect in year one of this implementation would

794
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:53,386
take that $399,000 home. And move it to 400,000. 662.

795
00:55:55,105 --> 00:56:02,578
That's an increase of point. 4%. In the cost. Of

796
00:56:02,578 --> 00:56:08,674
the home. By full implementation in 2029. It would take

797
00:56:08,674 --> 00:56:13,234
that $399,000 home, assuming there have been no increases in

798
00:56:13,234 --> 00:56:16,474
material costs which everybody that knows anything about building in

799
00:56:16,474 --> 00:56:20,034
this room between now and 2029, those prices are going

800
00:56:20,034 --> 00:56:24,643
to go up. So will the cost of the asphalt,

801
00:56:24,643 --> 00:56:28,243
the labor, the paint, the lights, everything required for the

802
00:56:28,243 --> 00:56:35,023
infrastructure. Yet at the end of. Those four years in

803
00:56:35,023 --> 00:56:42,103
2029, that $399,000 house, assuming no markup by the builder

804
00:56:42,103 --> 00:56:46,623
takes the home to 405 649. So over that entire

805
00:56:46,623 --> 00:56:49,903
four year period, the increase to the actual house itself.

806
00:56:51,261 --> 00:56:56,599
Will go up by 1.7%. So we can talk about

807
00:56:56,599 --> 00:57:00,239
12% and 20% and 50% and all those percents. That

808
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,599
we want to, but the actual house itself and the

809
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:07,316
affordability. Of the house. Is dependent upon. What does it

810
00:57:07,316 --> 00:57:13,161
cost to build the house? And if that mobility fee

811
00:57:13,161 --> 00:57:17,081
is put in place, the actual affordability of the home

812
00:57:17,081 --> 00:57:23,016
does not go up by those multidigit percentages. It simply

813
00:57:23,016 --> 00:57:26,256
helps provide the money to build the roads to make

814
00:57:26,256 --> 00:57:29,296
it safe to get from house. To house, from house

815
00:57:29,296 --> 00:57:34,558
to public. And so. It's tough for me, and I've

816
00:57:34,558 --> 00:57:40,555
been lobbied tremendously personally. But I thought it was fair

817
00:57:40,555 --> 00:57:45,075
for me to share those numbers, to bring some type

818
00:57:45,075 --> 00:57:51,115
of objectivity. This instead of hearing these $50,000 amounts and

819
00:57:51,115 --> 00:57:56,957
29% and 300%. To really get down to the brass

820
00:57:56,957 --> 00:57:59,837
tax of what's the check that needs to be written

821
00:57:59,837 --> 00:58:05,310
to buy that house. And if there's. No build or

822
00:58:05,310 --> 00:58:10,680
markup. In that mobility fee. Over four years, we're talking

823
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:18,242
about 1.7%. So while I am certainly not in favor

824
00:58:18,242 --> 00:58:23,053
of increasing the cost of housing, I am interested in

825
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:26,933
having the infrastructure necessary that our city has been demanding.

826
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:32,170
And having at least a portion of the dollars available

827
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:36,210
to provide that infrastructure and maintain the safety that our

828
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:42,335
city is proud of. So I'll be. Supporting. This change.

829
00:58:42,335 --> 00:58:46,855
Thank you, mayor. Council member Kilwick. Thank you, councilman members.

830
00:58:46,855 --> 00:58:51,524
Thank you. It's very enlightening. My take on this is

831
00:58:51,524 --> 00:58:56,280
I started from a different approach. I looked at the

832
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:01,018
project list that's identified for the mobility plan. And I

833
00:59:01,018 --> 00:59:03,938
tried to use some common sense in it and looked

834
00:59:03,938 --> 00:59:08,791
at the things. They're really related to increasing traffic or

835
00:59:08,791 --> 00:59:13,638
decreasing traffic and improving. Road capacity, which is our primary

836
00:59:13,638 --> 00:59:17,038
focus in the short term, and then kind of scaling

837
00:59:17,038 --> 00:59:21,806
the things. That are kind of evolving technologies that may

838
00:59:21,806 --> 00:59:25,206
not be readily available to us either now or in

839
00:59:25,206 --> 00:59:29,536
the future in the near term. And looking at those

840
00:59:29,536 --> 00:59:33,576
things that make good common sense from a capacity standpoint.

841
00:59:33,576 --> 00:59:37,322
And if you factor those in. With that long list

842
00:59:37,322 --> 00:59:40,730
of bottoms, I'm told that. List that was put together

843
00:59:40,730 --> 00:59:45,068
is probably $2 billion over that period of time. And

844
00:59:45,068 --> 00:59:48,028
if you look at the potential, even at the higher

845
00:59:48,028 --> 00:59:52,126
numbers that we are looking, we could develop. A half

846
00:59:52,126 --> 00:59:55,280
a billion dollars. In fees during that same period of

847
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,720
time, so we're not going to be able to cover

848
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,930
everything. So my thought process on this was to use

849
01:00:00,930 --> 01:00:05,942
just common sense. And look at the traffic. And capacity.

850
01:00:07,195 --> 01:00:11,075
Capabilities within that and front load those. And having said

851
01:00:11,075 --> 01:00:16,168
that, we know that. I'll tell you on my campaigning

852
01:00:16,168 --> 01:00:20,497
all last year. The issues were brought up about infrastructure

853
01:00:20,497 --> 01:00:24,842
not keeping up with development and. We're building so quickly.

854
01:00:26,152 --> 01:00:28,872
That infrastructure just can't keep up, and we're not taking

855
01:00:28,872 --> 01:00:33,990
care of business in that area. To the extent that

856
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:39,150
the materials used within that infrastructure development have increased dramatically

857
01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:42,510
as everyone's aware of that. And we're not talking about

858
01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:45,950
a 3% increase over the years. We're talking about significant

859
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:49,855
increases. In some of the raw materials. A lot of

860
01:00:49,855 --> 01:00:52,655
them are petroleum based, and it really is driven the

861
01:00:52,655 --> 01:00:57,132
cost up. So. In the large scheme of things, I

862
01:00:57,132 --> 01:00:59,972
think it's important that we go ahead and we do

863
01:00:59,972 --> 01:01:05,736
increase. Those fees to a reasonable level. And the reasonability

864
01:01:05,736 --> 01:01:10,192
brought into this. Was. First of all, we have some

865
01:01:10,192 --> 01:01:16,109
statutory requirements. That if we don't take action now, could

866
01:01:16,109 --> 01:01:21,710
prevent us from being. Able to regroup and adjust as

867
01:01:21,710 --> 01:01:25,150
necessary in the future. So I was trying to look

868
01:01:25,150 --> 01:01:27,430
at a manner in which we could kill two birds

869
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:30,844
with 1 st. And I think city staff has done

870
01:01:30,844 --> 01:01:34,644
this to some extent in which they establish a fee

871
01:01:34,644 --> 01:01:38,604
basis. And then look at the discounting mechanism upon that

872
01:01:38,604 --> 01:01:44,214
fee. And significant deep discounts in the beginning so that

873
01:01:44,214 --> 01:01:49,578
the sticker shock is lessened. But also reflecting some of

874
01:01:49,578 --> 01:01:54,613
the costs that councilman Stanky said. In the overall cost

875
01:01:54,613 --> 01:01:59,219
of things. It's really a much lower percentage than the

876
01:01:59,219 --> 01:02:03,085
30 or 40% you might be talking about. It's a

877
01:02:03,085 --> 01:02:07,405
lot more like the two or 3% capping on an

878
01:02:07,405 --> 01:02:10,805
incremental basis of the cost of a home, and it

879
01:02:10,805 --> 01:02:17,276
does provide that incremental capability. In cost coverage for infrastructure

880
01:02:17,276 --> 01:02:21,554
development that we need. To start catching up on and

881
01:02:21,554 --> 01:02:24,754
improving with new growth. New growth needs to pay for

882
01:02:24,754 --> 01:02:28,274
that new growth, at least to some extent. And I

883
01:02:28,274 --> 01:02:30,074
think that this can help make up some of the

884
01:02:30,074 --> 01:02:33,914
ground. I think that by using a discounting mechanism, it

885
01:02:33,914 --> 01:02:39,154
satisfies both the statutory capability that we established a higher

886
01:02:39,154 --> 01:02:43,514
fee. For discounting deeply on that fee, and we can

887
01:02:43,514 --> 01:02:47,643
evaluate that during the four years. We don't have to

888
01:02:47,643 --> 01:02:51,163
impose those higher fees during the years if we want

889
01:02:51,163 --> 01:02:54,163
to continue. That discount at a deeper level than we're

890
01:02:54,163 --> 01:02:57,843
projecting. So based on that, I think that there's some

891
01:02:57,843 --> 01:03:00,523
reasonability in the manner in which we're looking at doing

892
01:03:00,523 --> 01:03:04,519
this. And based on that, I would like to make

893
01:03:04,519 --> 01:03:07,919
sure that we are at least keeping up with infrastructure

894
01:03:07,919 --> 01:03:11,159
to some extent and not getting ourselves in a deeper

895
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:14,519
hole than we already are in and to that extent,

896
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:18,104
I'm going to be supporting this, so thank you. Thank

897
01:03:18,104 --> 01:03:22,242
you. I guess I'll jump in here real quick. Again.

898
01:03:22,242 --> 01:03:25,532
This is a difficult one for me as well. When

899
01:03:25,532 --> 01:03:29,105
you take a look. At the needs of the city.

900
01:03:29,105 --> 01:03:33,494
I think it's important. At this mobility. Fee. What it

901
01:03:33,494 --> 01:03:36,054
did was identify the needs that we have in the

902
01:03:36,054 --> 01:03:40,447
city. Right now, we have about 220,000 people in this

903
01:03:40,447 --> 01:03:45,954
city. If not one more person comes. To this city

904
01:03:45,954 --> 01:03:49,560
or moves to the city. The needs that were outlined.

905
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,480
A majority of the needs that were outlined in a

906
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,788
mobility fee are still here. So I think it's important

907
01:03:55,788 --> 01:04:01,621
to kind of recognize that. The needs. Are here now.

908
01:04:03,194 --> 01:04:06,554
And those needs will only grow as the city grows.

909
01:04:08,190 --> 01:04:13,469
If we're at 220,000 people. And we're going to be

910
01:04:13,469 --> 01:04:20,222
a population of 400,000 at buildout. We're over halfway. And

911
01:04:20,222 --> 01:04:23,862
we have a 220,000 residents here. I guess I look

912
01:04:23,862 --> 01:04:27,544
at it a little differently. I do believe that growth

913
01:04:27,544 --> 01:04:32,915
should pay for growth. But also, I don't think that

914
01:04:32,915 --> 01:04:36,795
growth should pay for 100% of the deficiencies. That we

915
01:04:36,795 --> 01:04:41,345
have today that are outlined and the mobility plan. And

916
01:04:41,345 --> 01:04:43,265
if you look at the mobility plan, some of the

917
01:04:43,265 --> 01:04:47,745
things as a council, through our discussions has already eliminated

918
01:04:47,745 --> 01:04:51,985
some of those projects that are in there now. Granted,

919
01:04:51,985 --> 01:04:57,287
I think. Just on a residential aspect of it. We

920
01:04:57,287 --> 01:05:03,466
were up around $15,000 in that neighborhood. Of where. The

921
01:05:03,466 --> 01:05:07,786
consultant advised us to be in our mobility fee, and

922
01:05:07,786 --> 01:05:11,950
we decided to land back at about. The same rate

923
01:05:11,950 --> 01:05:18,136
of the county, which is $9,996. Madam C. Clerk, if

924
01:05:18,136 --> 01:05:21,896
you could put that paper that I put together up

925
01:05:21,896 --> 01:05:28,165
on the projection. Now. This only covers the residential component.

926
01:05:29,583 --> 01:05:35,453
This. Does not outline any of the commercial fees. But

927
01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:39,348
the methodology is pretty much the same. If you take

928
01:05:39,348 --> 01:05:44,088
a look at this particular. Chart that I put together

929
01:05:44,088 --> 01:05:48,968
right now here in the city, we're paying $3,347. Per

930
01:05:48,968 --> 01:05:54,380
dwelling unit for any residential. Construction. That happens as an

931
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:58,100
impact fee. Here in the city, we've had that rate

932
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:03,736
as you've heard for 19 years. I personally believe, and

933
01:06:03,736 --> 01:06:07,376
I think all my colleagues would probably, and maybe even

934
01:06:07,376 --> 01:06:10,656
city staff, maybe where we did a disservice along the

935
01:06:10,656 --> 01:06:16,002
way is for 19 years, this fee hasn't. Changed. And

936
01:06:16,002 --> 01:06:19,726
I think that we have to own that. And recognize

937
01:06:19,726 --> 01:06:23,646
that. So we're partly to blame why we're here today.

938
01:06:25,288 --> 01:06:34,350
We landed. On. The residential mobility fee at 9996 per

939
01:06:34,350 --> 01:06:38,230
dwelling unit, which is where the county is right now.

940
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:41,190
Now. They were given about a 50% discount. They have

941
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:45,734
been since 2018. So that gives us an increase of

942
01:06:45,734 --> 01:06:49,476
66 49. Now if you can maybe shrink that up

943
01:06:49,476 --> 01:06:51,516
a little bit, if you would, so we could see.

944
01:06:53,067 --> 01:06:55,827
The whole chart, if that's possible. Or scoot it up.

945
01:06:55,827 --> 01:06:59,860
What? I did one thing. We haven't heard about. In

946
01:06:59,860 --> 01:07:01,980
our discussions is we've heard that twelve and a half

947
01:07:01,980 --> 01:07:06,006
percent many times. What's that mean? And how long would

948
01:07:06,006 --> 01:07:09,326
it take us to get to that number that we

949
01:07:09,326 --> 01:07:12,846
had picked of 99, 96, about nine and a half

950
01:07:12,846 --> 01:07:15,206
years. So what I did was I took our current

951
01:07:15,206 --> 01:07:17,606
rate, I added twelve and a half percent each and

952
01:07:17,606 --> 01:07:20,126
every year so it would take us about nine and

953
01:07:20,126 --> 01:07:23,726
a half years in order to get to that 99.

954
01:07:24,474 --> 01:07:27,194
96 if we used the twelve and a half percent

955
01:07:27,194 --> 01:07:32,199
rule. The plan that we discussed was given a discount

956
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:36,838
over a four year period. And as you can see

957
01:07:36,838 --> 01:07:43,539
in the lower section, We would apply that one. $662.25

958
01:07:43,539 --> 01:07:47,113
each year over a four year period. So it would

959
01:07:47,113 --> 01:07:51,993
take our first year increase at about 49.7% or second

960
01:07:51,993 --> 01:07:57,713
year increase. At 33.2 our third year at 24.9. In

961
01:07:57,713 --> 01:08:01,474
our fourth year at 20%. Now, I think it's also

962
01:08:01,474 --> 01:08:06,409
important to mention. Nd impact fees that we have now

963
01:08:06,409 --> 01:08:10,809
are road impact fees. If you haven't raised your impact

964
01:08:10,809 --> 01:08:16,775
fee over the last five years. You are not allowed

965
01:08:16,775 --> 01:08:23,245
to exercise the extraordinary circumstances. I think it's important to

966
01:08:23,245 --> 01:08:26,725
try to mention what is the definition of that. Unfortunately,

967
01:08:26,725 --> 01:08:32,887
our state legislators did not. Really identify what that meaning

968
01:08:32,887 --> 01:08:38,016
was. So that leaves us upon us. To try to

969
01:08:38,016 --> 01:08:43,536
define what extraordinary circumstances. Now, staff has said one of

970
01:08:43,536 --> 01:08:47,687
the elements that. We are going to use as our

971
01:08:47,687 --> 01:08:52,527
extraordinary circumstance, and we have several bullet points on one

972
01:08:52,527 --> 01:08:56,447
of the slide presentations, but one of the elements is

973
01:08:56,447 --> 01:08:59,709
our growth over the years. So what I did is.

974
01:09:01,306 --> 01:09:05,256
I asked. Our staff this week to come up. And,

975
01:09:05,256 --> 01:09:07,776
Betty, if you could put this chart up, this is

976
01:09:07,776 --> 01:09:13,647
something that staff provided on assessed values. Over the last

977
01:09:13,647 --> 01:09:21,009
several years, from 2015 up to present. And I also

978
01:09:21,009 --> 01:09:27,438
had asked on the assessed values to identify. The growth

979
01:09:27,438 --> 01:09:31,958
each year that was just for new construction, because that's

980
01:09:31,958 --> 01:09:35,767
one of the things that we are using. As far

981
01:09:35,767 --> 01:09:41,411
as the criteria. For extraordinary circumstances. So, as you can

982
01:09:41,411 --> 01:09:44,611
see on the projection error over the last since 2015,

983
01:09:46,584 --> 01:09:48,544
We'll just take that year. We had a little bit

984
01:09:48,544 --> 01:09:53,304
over $10 billion in taxable. Assessed values and 114,000,000 of

985
01:09:53,304 --> 01:09:58,193
that was new construction, which is about 8.5%. And you

986
01:09:58,193 --> 01:10:02,113
can go through the years there, 1617. It stayed fairly

987
01:10:02,113 --> 01:10:09,753
consistent of about 7.3 to about 9.56%, with an average

988
01:10:09,753 --> 01:10:15,513
from 25 to 21, about 8.25%. Of the total assessed

989
01:10:15,513 --> 01:10:19,930
value in the city. Is what was equated to the

990
01:10:19,930 --> 01:10:23,904
actual growth, the new construction. Of the growth in our

991
01:10:23,904 --> 01:10:29,228
city as far as the assessed values. In 2022, that

992
01:10:29,228 --> 01:10:36,320
raised to ten point 88%. And 23, 23.55, which is

993
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,720
the highest year, and that's kind of the numbers. That

994
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,921
you had mentioned, council member stanky. When you look at

995
01:10:43,921 --> 01:10:49,296
your numbers that same year having that big spike, 2024,

996
01:10:49,296 --> 01:10:58,341
it dropped down to about 15.63. In 2025 adopted. About

997
01:10:58,341 --> 01:11:02,821
twelve point 64% was new construction of the total assessed

998
01:11:02,821 --> 01:11:07,786
value. And here for 2026. We're back down to the

999
01:11:07,786 --> 01:11:13,816
average. Which a little below average compared to 2015, to

1000
01:11:13,816 --> 01:11:17,776
22 of a little over 8%. So when you look

1001
01:11:17,776 --> 01:11:21,524
at those numbers for me? And you look at the

1002
01:11:21,524 --> 01:11:27,606
growth. That we are trying to utilize for extraordinary circumstances,

1003
01:11:27,606 --> 01:11:32,097
except for those four years. That were much different. The

1004
01:11:32,097 --> 01:11:35,017
rest of the time has been fairly consistent as far

1005
01:11:35,017 --> 01:11:38,297
as new growth. Is concerned now. Our city is growing.

1006
01:11:39,902 --> 01:11:44,201
Immensely. Another thing I wanted to show Betty, if you

1007
01:11:44,201 --> 01:11:46,841
could put up. I wanted to look at the closings.

1008
01:11:48,698 --> 01:11:54,126
That we've had. Over the last five years. And I

1009
01:11:54,126 --> 01:11:57,737
went to the mls. Or I should say my wife.

1010
01:11:57,737 --> 01:12:01,408
So I want to thank her for the data. But

1011
01:12:01,408 --> 01:12:04,288
I went to the MLS and I wanted to look

1012
01:12:04,288 --> 01:12:12,296
at residential closings that we've. Had since 2019. Again, this

1013
01:12:12,296 --> 01:12:17,826
is residential closings only. In 2019. This is only in

1014
01:12:17,826 --> 01:12:23,531
the city of Cape Coral. 6174 closings. In 20, we

1015
01:12:23,531 --> 01:12:26,291
had 69, 55, which is about a nine and a

1016
01:12:26,291 --> 01:12:32,013
half percent increase. And 21 was a 15% increase. 22.

1017
01:12:33,499 --> 01:12:37,499
That same 23% popped up like you saw in the

1018
01:12:37,499 --> 01:12:43,950
previous. Saliva when we talked about growth. In 2023, there

1019
01:12:43,950 --> 01:12:49,859
was a 14% decline in closings. In 24, it almost

1020
01:12:49,859 --> 01:12:53,939
stayed constant. As you can see, there only a difference

1021
01:12:53,939 --> 01:12:59,627
of somewhere about 14. Closings. The difference between. 23 and

1022
01:12:59,627 --> 01:13:04,988
24. And as of December 1. I'm sorry, September 1

1023
01:13:04,988 --> 01:13:10,388
of this year, there were 3873. Closings. I divided that

1024
01:13:10,388 --> 01:13:14,428
by nine since there was nine months average of 430

1025
01:13:14,428 --> 01:13:16,748
per month. And I times that by twelve to try

1026
01:13:16,748 --> 01:13:19,588
to get a projection, and that gives us a projection.

1027
01:13:19,588 --> 01:13:24,141
Of about 5164. Closings this year, which was a little

1028
01:13:24,141 --> 01:13:30,148
less than 10%. Compared to 2024. So this shows that

1029
01:13:30,148 --> 01:13:35,926
we are declining each and every year. With our closings.

1030
01:13:37,485 --> 01:13:40,565
For me. What I'm having a struggle with is the

1031
01:13:40,565 --> 01:13:46,564
extraordinary circumstances. You heard stabs presentation today? I didn't really

1032
01:13:46,564 --> 01:13:50,927
hear. Anything regarding that. And that is one of the

1033
01:13:50,927 --> 01:13:56,571
elements. If the eight of us doesn't feel that. There's

1034
01:13:56,571 --> 01:14:01,537
extraordinary circumstances. Then it doesn't really matter. What that impact

1035
01:14:01,537 --> 01:14:07,262
fee is because. We've been told by Florida statute that

1036
01:14:07,262 --> 01:14:11,314
in order. To exceed the twelve and a half percent.

1037
01:14:11,314 --> 01:14:17,787
We must meet the threshold of the extraordinary circumstances. The

1038
01:14:17,787 --> 01:14:20,827
data again. I'm data driven, just like council member Steinkey

1039
01:14:20,827 --> 01:14:24,817
had mentioned. I'm. Data driven. I know that we have

1040
01:14:24,817 --> 01:14:29,527
more population coming to the city. As I said earlier

1041
01:14:29,527 --> 01:14:35,817
on. We have needs today. Even if not one more

1042
01:14:35,817 --> 01:14:40,840
person comes. To the city. There are identified needs that

1043
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:46,509
we have. Road improvements, intersection improvements, access management. More sidewalks.

1044
01:14:46,509 --> 01:14:49,549
There's a lot of things for me. What I'm struggling

1045
01:14:49,549 --> 01:14:53,749
with is. To put that on the next 180,000 people

1046
01:14:53,749 --> 01:14:58,767
that come. Versus the 220,000 that are already here. I

1047
01:14:58,767 --> 01:15:03,074
think that should be a shared partnership. And I live

1048
01:15:03,074 --> 01:15:06,274
here in the city. I don't mind sharing in to

1049
01:15:06,274 --> 01:15:11,329
that philosophy, so. To sit here and say that. We

1050
01:15:11,329 --> 01:15:14,865
need improvements. And only base it upon the new people

1051
01:15:14,865 --> 01:15:18,870
that are coming. To the city. I'm struggling with that.

1052
01:15:20,771 --> 01:15:23,971
The other thing is, as I said, the extraordinary circumstances.

1053
01:15:26,007 --> 01:15:31,479
For me at this point. I haven't. Seen or had

1054
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,919
outlined exactly what those extraordinary circumstances are for me to

1055
01:15:36,919 --> 01:15:39,999
be able to move forward. Over and above the twelve

1056
01:15:39,999 --> 01:15:44,401
and a half percent. That's where I'm at. At this

1057
01:15:44,401 --> 01:15:49,086
point, so unless something changes my mind, In these discussions.

1058
01:15:50,481 --> 01:15:55,597
I'm 100% on board with nobility fees. I just don't

1059
01:15:55,597 --> 01:16:00,437
know if we've risen to the level of extraordinary circumstances.

1060
01:16:01,854 --> 01:16:03,934
To apply the rate over the twelve and a half

1061
01:16:03,934 --> 01:16:10,922
percent. And the difference? Like I mentioned before, we're talking

1062
01:16:10,922 --> 01:16:17,340
nine and a half years. Versus four years. So it's

1063
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:20,953
not a huge difference. But there is a difference. Of

1064
01:16:20,953 --> 01:16:23,353
course, if you look at the money that we generated,

1065
01:16:23,353 --> 01:16:26,593
if we do it sooner rather than later. We'd be

1066
01:16:26,593 --> 01:16:30,593
able to do more projects sooner rather than later. So

1067
01:16:30,593 --> 01:16:35,082
no matter where the decision is today, And the discount

1068
01:16:35,082 --> 01:16:37,682
that we're giving, we're still not going to be able

1069
01:16:37,682 --> 01:16:41,002
to address all of the needs in the city, as

1070
01:16:41,002 --> 01:16:44,949
council member Kilrain said. The needs or the income that

1071
01:16:44,949 --> 01:16:48,423
we're trying to generate. Is going not to even come

1072
01:16:48,423 --> 01:16:52,063
close to the needs that are outlined in the deficiencies

1073
01:16:52,063 --> 01:16:54,503
with the infrastructure. So we're going to have to find

1074
01:16:54,503 --> 01:16:59,218
that common balance somewhere, no matter what. So that's where

1075
01:16:59,218 --> 01:17:02,161
I'm at at this point. So with that, we'll move

1076
01:17:02,161 --> 01:17:06,451
on to council member last. Thank you, mayor. I really

1077
01:17:06,451 --> 01:17:12,355
appreciate your analysis. This was very helpful to see. And

1078
01:17:12,355 --> 01:17:15,475
going into this and reviewing this over the weekend, and

1079
01:17:15,475 --> 01:17:18,515
then my meeting yesterday with the city. Manager. I have

1080
01:17:18,515 --> 01:17:24,964
concerns as well. Especially. With the circumstances. And in addition

1081
01:17:24,964 --> 01:17:26,884
to. I know we had said we wanted to be

1082
01:17:26,884 --> 01:17:29,444
in line. With Lee county. But if you look at

1083
01:17:29,444 --> 01:17:32,715
this over four years, In my area where I live.

1084
01:17:34,438 --> 01:17:37,518
In year four, we're looking at a 92% increase. I

1085
01:17:37,518 --> 01:17:39,998
know that a big part. Of our job is to

1086
01:17:39,998 --> 01:17:43,118
always plan for the future. And I think, as Mr.

1087
01:17:43,118 --> 01:17:50,819
Darling stated, This would definitely deter. Future building in our

1088
01:17:50,819 --> 01:17:55,710
city with this type of an increase. To see your

1089
01:17:55,710 --> 01:17:58,670
chart here, Mayor, over a ten year period is very

1090
01:17:58,670 --> 01:18:03,430
helpful, and this is just this straight. 12.5%. It does

1091
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:07,414
not include the discount, correct? That's correct. That's just straight

1092
01:18:07,414 --> 01:18:09,654
twelve and a half percent each and every year. Yeah.

1093
01:18:11,016 --> 01:18:14,382
I have a real hard time with it. I'm not

1094
01:18:14,382 --> 01:18:18,955
there yet. I will wait. And hear from our other

1095
01:18:18,955 --> 01:18:23,289
colleagues. And then council member stanky when you gave a

1096
01:18:23,289 --> 01:18:30,168
lot of perspective between. 2015 and 2023.7% increase versus 2020

1097
01:18:30,168 --> 01:18:35,656
to 2025 69%. And I'm assuming that's the cost of

1098
01:18:35,656 --> 01:18:39,136
building materials, because we saw how much they increased even

1099
01:18:39,136 --> 01:18:43,252
after Irma. And then for sure after Ian. So I'm

1100
01:18:43,252 --> 01:18:46,892
assuming that's building supply increase that. Was probably passed down.

1101
01:18:48,190 --> 01:18:50,910
And at a 92% increase to build, let's say, in

1102
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:55,179
the southwest where I live. I can't see a builder

1103
01:18:55,179 --> 01:19:00,219
not transferring that down to the home builder, for example.

1104
01:19:03,690 --> 01:19:11,793
And. As residents have stated. It's a challenging time right

1105
01:19:11,793 --> 01:19:13,473
now in our economy, and I know we have to

1106
01:19:13,473 --> 01:19:16,838
plan for the future. But I'm just not there yet.

1107
01:19:16,838 --> 01:19:19,038
I can't wrap my head around that big. Of an

1108
01:19:19,038 --> 01:19:22,598
increase over four years. Thank you, mayor. Council member Lehman.

1109
01:19:24,975 --> 01:19:28,855
No comment. I'm sorry. Council member long. Thank you, mayor.

1110
01:19:30,647 --> 01:19:34,007
I guess, starting with the extraordinary circumstances you had said

1111
01:19:34,007 --> 01:19:37,616
you struggled with that. And you were going to wait

1112
01:19:37,616 --> 01:19:39,176
and see if we were able to persuade you otherwise.

1113
01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:42,130
But we might not be able to persuade you of

1114
01:19:42,130 --> 01:19:44,250
that. But I think, frankly, that's not our job. I

1115
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:46,690
think it's the job of our city attorney that we

1116
01:19:46,690 --> 01:19:49,170
just gave. Golding remarks to during his evaluation and agreed

1117
01:19:49,170 --> 01:19:53,690
to raise his pay to over $300,000 so the idea

1118
01:19:53,690 --> 01:19:57,730
that that gentleman who we look to for legal guidance

1119
01:19:57,730 --> 01:20:00,290
is okay with us moving forward in this process, but

1120
01:20:00,290 --> 01:20:02,086
yet. A few people come to the podium and suggest

1121
01:20:02,086 --> 01:20:07,086
otherwise. It's crazy and, frankly, dereliction of our duty. If

1122
01:20:07,086 --> 01:20:11,338
we so. Quickly change our opinions based on legal guidance

1123
01:20:11,338 --> 01:20:14,098
other than that of our own. So that's an easy

1124
01:20:14,098 --> 01:20:16,178
one for me. I didn't even really dig into that,

1125
01:20:16,178 --> 01:20:18,498
frankly, that's. Not something. Miss Shayern, do you have anything

1126
01:20:18,498 --> 01:20:21,462
to say other than. What I am going to say.

1127
01:20:22,820 --> 01:20:26,140
Is. Statutorily, we are in compliance with the ability based

1128
01:20:26,140 --> 01:20:30,460
upon the extraordinary circumstances. Study it. Sets forth the basis

1129
01:20:30,460 --> 01:20:35,324
for. And identifies one through eight as to legally justify

1130
01:20:35,324 --> 01:20:37,844
why it is that we're permitted to go beyond that.

1131
01:20:37,844 --> 01:20:40,604
So that does exist. I know that this has been

1132
01:20:40,604 --> 01:20:42,884
spoken about several times. I know that. I don't think

1133
01:20:42,884 --> 01:20:46,204
staff is really mentioning today, but the ordinance does. In

1134
01:20:46,204 --> 01:20:52,377
fact. Recognize and accepts. The justification for exceeding that 12.5%

1135
01:20:52,377 --> 01:20:54,937
that presently exists under state law. Right. Thank you. Simple

1136
01:20:54,937 --> 01:20:56,737
as that for me, at least as far as the

1137
01:20:56,737 --> 01:20:58,777
legal component. That's why we have a city attorney. Otherwise,

1138
01:20:58,777 --> 01:21:00,497
what's the use? So for us, some of us to

1139
01:21:00,497 --> 01:21:02,657
sit. Up here and say that we struggle with it.

1140
01:21:03,810 --> 01:21:07,222
That's pretty bizarre to me. Everyone else has been pretty

1141
01:21:07,222 --> 01:21:11,437
long winded, so this is something that I support. The

1142
01:21:11,437 --> 01:21:14,315
data drives it, we wouldn't be here otherwise. The people

1143
01:21:14,315 --> 01:21:17,212
that we heard from today. I respect them. They have

1144
01:21:17,212 --> 01:21:20,071
a job to do, just like I have. But they're

1145
01:21:20,071 --> 01:21:22,431
not here to advocate for the working class. They're here

1146
01:21:22,431 --> 01:21:25,071
to advocate. For their pocketbooks. And so you take a

1147
01:21:25,071 --> 01:21:26,391
look at the last two years, like one of the

1148
01:21:26,391 --> 01:21:29,868
speakers said. Let's take a look. I think a lot

1149
01:21:29,868 --> 01:21:31,868
of it is rooted in greed that inevitably ended up

1150
01:21:31,868 --> 01:21:34,828
in this conclusion here that we face today. And so

1151
01:21:34,828 --> 01:21:36,988
for them to say after the money is made and

1152
01:21:36,988 --> 01:21:39,748
the floor falls out, point the finger at the government

1153
01:21:39,748 --> 01:21:41,948
and cry foul. That's ludicrous. I'm not going to sit

1154
01:21:41,948 --> 01:21:45,468
here and be scapegoated. By these individuals that played a

1155
01:21:45,468 --> 01:21:51,213
significant role in. The issues that we face. Affordability. I

1156
01:21:51,213 --> 01:21:56,710
don't see any individuals here. Or their members providing any

1157
01:21:56,710 --> 01:22:00,350
discounts to the working class when they're buying homes. I

1158
01:22:00,350 --> 01:22:02,950
don't see the Realtors association, any of those members giving

1159
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:06,430
any discounts to working class individuals looking to purchase homes,

1160
01:22:06,430 --> 01:22:08,630
but yet they stand here before us today and point

1161
01:22:08,630 --> 01:22:10,990
the finger. At us and say, oh, you guys are

1162
01:22:10,990 --> 01:22:14,150
eliminating the working class. I'm not going to allow it.

1163
01:22:14,150 --> 01:22:16,548
This is something that I strongly. Support. I have supported

1164
01:22:16,548 --> 01:22:19,228
it since the beginning. I believe we had several cows

1165
01:22:19,228 --> 01:22:21,788
on this and a majority of us did support it.

1166
01:22:21,788 --> 01:22:24,548
The amount of discussion that we've had today, frankly surprising.

1167
01:22:24,548 --> 01:22:29,268
And again leads me to believe that cow is more

1168
01:22:29,268 --> 01:22:33,284
or less are useless. But that's another discussion. So, yeah,

1169
01:22:33,284 --> 01:22:35,124
this is something I support. And we'll continue to support.

1170
01:22:35,124 --> 01:22:40,848
Thank you. Council member Donnell. You call me back?

1171
01:22:45,503 --> 01:22:48,103
Tell us how you really feel comfortable. I love that.

1172
01:22:48,103 --> 01:22:54,345
You don't want to hear that. That was a sugar

1173
01:22:54,345 --> 01:23:03,022
coated. But seriously. You talked about it. And I was

1174
01:23:03,022 --> 01:23:05,422
the one that was sitting here back when we paused

1175
01:23:05,422 --> 01:23:07,342
way back when, and I feel some of my type

1176
01:23:07,342 --> 01:23:10,382
of responsibility, because what we neglected to do was put

1177
01:23:10,382 --> 01:23:13,702
in a restart. But that's in the past. What happened

1178
01:23:13,702 --> 01:23:19,330
here? That plan is solid. It's a solid plan. And

1179
01:23:19,330 --> 01:23:20,170
we've gone through it and we've talked about it. It's

1180
01:23:20,170 --> 01:23:24,094
a solid plan. The only concern I have is when

1181
01:23:24,094 --> 01:23:26,734
we leave. We had this chamber here. Thank you for

1182
01:23:26,734 --> 01:23:30,294
being. Here. We have bia. Thank you. We have realtors.

1183
01:23:30,294 --> 01:23:33,134
Thank you. We have the community involved. And that's one

1184
01:23:33,134 --> 01:23:35,534
of the things that I really look forward to. So

1185
01:23:35,534 --> 01:23:39,534
we have that voice. Don't think that it just falls

1186
01:23:39,534 --> 01:23:41,934
on dead ears. At least not for me. I don't

1187
01:23:41,934 --> 01:23:45,084
think. It falls as that is for anyone, honestly. The

1188
01:23:45,084 --> 01:23:47,884
problem is from the beginning, when this first thing went,

1189
01:23:47,884 --> 01:23:50,604
look at what this council did, and you hear the.

1190
01:23:50,604 --> 01:23:53,284
You just hear what we're talking about when it first

1191
01:23:53,284 --> 01:23:57,584
hit. That astronomical number. Everybody got together. We said. The

1192
01:23:57,584 --> 01:24:00,464
council said, look, we got to do something about. It.

1193
01:24:00,464 --> 01:24:02,064
We got to do something about it. But what I

1194
01:24:02,064 --> 01:24:05,405
heard back then was twelve and a. Half percent. From

1195
01:24:05,405 --> 01:24:06,525
the very first time I heard twelve and a half

1196
01:24:06,525 --> 01:24:10,944
percent. The council went. Went, and staff went back, and

1197
01:24:10,944 --> 01:24:12,704
Pete went back and worked and then worked in. And

1198
01:24:12,704 --> 01:24:15,304
talked and came back and moved off of that and

1199
01:24:15,304 --> 01:24:19,955
have. Everyone has data. You get to support your position.

1200
01:24:19,955 --> 01:24:21,395
What I'm saying to you and I. Had mentioned to

1201
01:24:21,395 --> 01:24:24,172
a number of them, I said, okay. What is it

1202
01:24:24,172 --> 01:24:26,692
I hear you saying? Twelve and a half percent, but

1203
01:24:26,692 --> 01:24:29,532
it has to be something. This is the number. Where

1204
01:24:29,532 --> 01:24:33,751
can we meet? And today what I'm hearing is twelve

1205
01:24:33,751 --> 01:24:37,736
and a half percent. The extraordinary circumstance. I couldn't agree

1206
01:24:37,736 --> 01:24:41,508
more. All right. If you just take that to the

1207
01:24:41,508 --> 01:24:43,828
side. The point is, where do we meet from twelve

1208
01:24:43,828 --> 01:24:45,508
and. A half percent to what council is trying to

1209
01:24:45,508 --> 01:24:48,468
do. I haven't heard that on that. End. And that's

1210
01:24:48,468 --> 01:24:51,028
a little bit disappointing for me because we're at the

1211
01:24:51,028 --> 01:24:54,148
same place where you were when you started. But you've

1212
01:24:54,148 --> 01:24:56,708
seen how staff and council is moving. To show that

1213
01:24:56,708 --> 01:24:59,308
we're working together, at least trying to get through a

1214
01:24:59,308 --> 01:25:03,061
difficult situation. Please. Don't think that for any amount that

1215
01:25:03,061 --> 01:25:05,261
we're just. Oh, we're not. Listening to you, but on

1216
01:25:05,261 --> 01:25:09,993
this one, I'm done. In my comments. That's why I

1217
01:25:09,993 --> 01:25:11,993
will be supporting it. And we would just have to

1218
01:25:11,993 --> 01:25:17,917
work through it. Council member Stanky. Yeah. Thank you, mayor.

1219
01:25:17,917 --> 01:25:21,915
I wanted to chime in as it relates to. The

1220
01:25:21,915 --> 01:25:25,035
growth, paying for growth, but not laying it all upon

1221
01:25:25,035 --> 01:25:28,155
the future. People that, the people that. Are currently residents

1222
01:25:28,155 --> 01:25:32,512
here will benefit from these as well. I couldn't agree

1223
01:25:32,512 --> 01:25:36,509
more. And I believe, going back to council member Killrane's

1224
01:25:36,509 --> 01:25:41,438
point, even if we take a look. At the revenues

1225
01:25:41,438 --> 01:25:44,758
raised by the mobility fees being somewhere in the 500

1226
01:25:44,758 --> 01:25:51,970
million dollar range against. A tab of $2 billion. Well.

1227
01:25:53,632 --> 01:25:55,832
If the roads have to be built, then the money's

1228
01:25:55,832 --> 01:25:59,633
going to come from somewhere. And it's going to come

1229
01:25:59,633 --> 01:26:05,319
from the current residence. So for it to happen. For

1230
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:07,559
that road to be built, for that intersection to be

1231
01:26:07,559 --> 01:26:11,487
established. The money is going to come from somewhere. There

1232
01:26:11,487 --> 01:26:17,575
will be a cost share. So the funds required. For

1233
01:26:17,575 --> 01:26:21,486
each one of the projects. I believe that the money

1234
01:26:21,486 --> 01:26:25,352
is generated. From the attempt to have growth, pay for

1235
01:26:25,352 --> 01:26:30,583
growth. And have that come from the mobility fee. And

1236
01:26:30,583 --> 01:26:34,169
I also heard. This is a new fee. It's a

1237
01:26:34,169 --> 01:26:39,352
replacement fee. The impact is going away. So it's not

1238
01:26:39,352 --> 01:26:42,912
something on top of impact. Impact's going away and the

1239
01:26:42,912 --> 01:26:46,552
mobility fee replaces it, and the actual fee itself is

1240
01:26:46,552 --> 01:26:51,828
adjusted based on the current cost. Of what those dollars

1241
01:26:51,828 --> 01:26:58,307
are segregated to be used for. So I do believe

1242
01:26:58,307 --> 01:27:02,593
that our current residents will be. Footing part of the

1243
01:27:02,593 --> 01:27:06,280
bill. And it's going to be that difference in between

1244
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,719
that 500 million. And the 2 billion that's been thrown

1245
01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:14,159
around as far as the actual cost versus the actual

1246
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:17,719
amount of money raised. And I also believe that that

1247
01:27:17,719 --> 01:27:25,780
$2 billion number. Includes wants. As councilmer Killrain. Made alluded

1248
01:27:25,780 --> 01:27:29,559
to and. Some of those wants will go away and

1249
01:27:29,559 --> 01:27:32,759
they won't be implemented. It'll be done on a strategic

1250
01:27:32,759 --> 01:27:37,544
priority basis and a public safety basis. I'm still in

1251
01:27:37,544 --> 01:27:40,584
support of having the funds necessary to provide the infrastructure

1252
01:27:40,584 --> 01:27:48,402
that the city needs. And. I appreciate the opportunity. Thanks.

1253
01:27:48,402 --> 01:27:51,802
Council member Kilbrick? Yeah. Strategic claim at the same place

1254
01:27:51,802 --> 01:27:55,923
I. Was at the beginning of this discussion. And I

1255
01:27:55,923 --> 01:28:01,808
spoke with Bia and. I spoke with. Palm coast. I

1256
01:28:01,808 --> 01:28:05,199
think you understand my position on this. That. First of

1257
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:10,715
all, strategically, we're hamstrung by what the statute says. The

1258
01:28:10,715 --> 01:28:12,355
statute says if you don't do it now, you can't

1259
01:28:12,355 --> 01:28:15,395
do it. So I would like to keep that as

1260
01:28:15,395 --> 01:28:17,675
a nation a whole, to be able to have that.

1261
01:28:17,675 --> 01:28:22,822
Capability. To be able to evaluate over the years and

1262
01:28:22,822 --> 01:28:24,982
see where we need to move it. If we have

1263
01:28:24,982 --> 01:28:27,022
to move it, and it may be less than what

1264
01:28:27,022 --> 01:28:29,662
we're thinking about now. It may be more, but I

1265
01:28:29,662 --> 01:28:31,942
don't know what it might be, and I don't. Think

1266
01:28:31,942 --> 01:28:34,142
any of us can really predict that based on the

1267
01:28:34,142 --> 01:28:37,422
cost of materials going up the way they have been

1268
01:28:37,422 --> 01:28:39,807
and are likely to continue to be. At a lesser

1269
01:28:39,807 --> 01:28:42,687
pace, but still a significant pace because we know an

1270
01:28:42,687 --> 01:28:50,691
infrastructure costs us again. That extraordinary piece allows us to

1271
01:28:50,691 --> 01:28:55,550
do that, whether or not. It's of value for us

1272
01:28:55,550 --> 01:28:59,790
to consider that wholeheartedly as being the basis for this.

1273
01:28:59,790 --> 01:29:03,680
I don't think we can. I think, though, that. We

1274
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,720
have to trip that requirement in order to be able

1275
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,240
to be in a position in future. Years to take

1276
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,960
advantage of this because the number we set today is

1277
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,040
our legacy going into the future for a long period

1278
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:19,200
of time. So to miss on this is very difficult

1279
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,720
to do it. Could hamstring the city's development for a

1280
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,853
long time. There's no doubt that cash cow for Cape

1281
01:29:26,853 --> 01:29:30,173
Carl has been and will continue to be. For many

1282
01:29:30,173 --> 01:29:34,574
years. The building trades industry. There's no doubt about it.

1283
01:29:34,574 --> 01:29:37,654
We need to protect that industry. We need to reinforce

1284
01:29:37,654 --> 01:29:40,174
that industry. We need to make sure that that industry

1285
01:29:40,174 --> 01:29:43,654
is developing those dollars and the income and the jobs

1286
01:29:43,654 --> 01:29:46,974
that we have here, that is our cash cow. No

1287
01:29:46,974 --> 01:29:49,134
one's going to dispute that, and we got to protect

1288
01:29:49,134 --> 01:29:52,411
it. In order to do that, though, I think that

1289
01:29:52,411 --> 01:29:55,696
we also have to make sure that we make. This

1290
01:29:55,696 --> 01:29:59,343
compatible from. A new resident coming in here standpoint, from

1291
01:29:59,343 --> 01:30:04,132
an infrastructure standpoint, and there is no doubt that. The

1292
01:30:04,132 --> 01:30:08,886
last few years. We've gotten behind. An infrastructure, and we

1293
01:30:08,886 --> 01:30:12,086
have to bring ourselves up on that level. And again,

1294
01:30:14,131 --> 01:30:16,960
What those things? New will pay for some of the

1295
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:21,005
new. But there are things that. The base requirement of

1296
01:30:21,005 --> 01:30:24,205
the current residents are probably going to end up picking

1297
01:30:24,205 --> 01:30:27,849
up. And I said, that in the beginning. We can't

1298
01:30:27,849 --> 01:30:30,489
really rely on new to build all of it. But

1299
01:30:30,489 --> 01:30:32,769
there's a portion of it that it may is reasonable

1300
01:30:32,769 --> 01:30:36,990
and common sense for them to contribute to and. Their

1301
01:30:36,990 --> 01:30:41,070
current residents will contribute to. That's why the discounting mechanism,

1302
01:30:41,070 --> 01:30:45,723
I think, is very meaningful in applying to this. It

1303
01:30:45,723 --> 01:30:49,886
establishes strategically that high point. That we trip the statute

1304
01:30:49,886 --> 01:30:53,812
with, but gives us the leverage to control. The number

1305
01:30:53,812 --> 01:30:57,612
to make common sense going forward so that compatible can

1306
01:30:57,612 --> 01:31:00,652
be planned for and done in a matter where the

1307
01:31:00,652 --> 01:31:07,233
vendors can work out with many of the builders. Accommodations

1308
01:31:07,233 --> 01:31:10,873
to be able to at least make that a palletable

1309
01:31:10,873 --> 01:31:15,924
and control upon compatible number. So my strategic focus on

1310
01:31:15,924 --> 01:31:20,053
this, it hasn't changed. Well, let's get us into position

1311
01:31:20,053 --> 01:31:22,533
so that if we have to, we can take advantage.

1312
01:31:22,533 --> 01:31:27,925
Of, I think. Our consultant, David Farmer, indicated that even

1313
01:31:27,925 --> 01:31:31,205
if things slow down to what is a common pace

1314
01:31:31,205 --> 01:31:35,483
here, we're still going to be doing. 2000 to 2500.

1315
01:31:36,914 --> 01:31:40,554
New permits a year. That is not slow growth, that

1316
01:31:40,554 --> 01:31:44,514
is fast growth. And just because we're running. 400. 500.

1317
01:31:46,257 --> 01:31:48,977
Doesn't mean that anything's going to be less in the

1318
01:31:48,977 --> 01:31:55,001
future than. What is normal fast growth. So I think

1319
01:31:55,001 --> 01:31:58,400
that. We really have to make sure that we're at

1320
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,760
least covering a good portion of the cost for the

1321
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,960
infrastructure structure development with some of the new, and if

1322
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,680
that means another two or 3% in houses. I think

1323
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:11,610
we're going to have to just address that. Thank you.

1324
01:32:11,610 --> 01:32:15,837
I appreciate it. All right, just one last comment for

1325
01:32:15,837 --> 01:32:19,548
me is when I take a look at this. We've

1326
01:32:19,548 --> 01:32:25,187
heard from many industries throughout the city. I know. I've

1327
01:32:25,187 --> 01:32:28,307
gotten some emails from people that recently purchased lots that

1328
01:32:28,307 --> 01:32:32,827
we'll be building. Houses here next year. I guess what

1329
01:32:32,827 --> 01:32:34,427
I was trying to do is come up with some

1330
01:32:34,427 --> 01:32:37,507
type. Of a compromise with that? Twelve and a half

1331
01:32:37,507 --> 01:32:39,827
percent. I knew it would take us a little. Over

1332
01:32:39,827 --> 01:32:43,027
nine years to get there versus four years. I agree

1333
01:32:43,027 --> 01:32:47,713
with the 99 96. Than the four years that we

1334
01:32:47,713 --> 01:32:50,713
had discussed before. So I guess that's where I'm at

1335
01:32:50,713 --> 01:32:47,963
when I look at extraordinary circumstances, one thing. For the

1336
01:32:48,248 --> 01:32:51,883
residential dwelling units. The commercial rates that we applied that

1337
01:32:52,208 --> 01:32:54,963
are very similar to Lee counties. I guess for me,

1338
01:32:55,688 --> 01:32:57,683
it was just a little longer to get there.

1339
01:33:07,344 --> 01:33:11,088
Jumps out at me. The only extraordinary circumstance that I

1340
01:33:11,088 --> 01:33:16,143
see. That has changed. If you look back over the

1341
01:33:16,143 --> 01:33:21,726
last five years or so, Is the state legislation. Passed

1342
01:33:21,726 --> 01:33:26,514
a law that goes into effect October 1. And the

1343
01:33:26,514 --> 01:33:31,714
reason that we are hurrying this process up is because

1344
01:33:31,714 --> 01:33:36,591
once that October 1 deadline gets here. Then our hands

1345
01:33:36,591 --> 01:33:42,647
are somewhat tied. That's the truth of the matter. And

1346
01:33:42,647 --> 01:33:45,887
to me. If you want to talk about our extraordinary

1347
01:33:45,887 --> 01:33:50,487
circumstance, something that's out of the norm. That's exactly what

1348
01:33:50,487 --> 01:33:53,367
we're talking about. Council member last mayor I'd like to

1349
01:33:53,367 --> 01:33:57,679
call a question, please. All right. We have a council

1350
01:33:57,679 --> 01:34:02,092
member long called a question. And a second, madam. City

1351
01:34:02,092 --> 01:34:06,480
clerk, please call the road. Last row. No. Lehman? No.

1352
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:14,812
Long aye. Steinki? No. Done now. No center, no Caduk,

1353
01:34:14,812 --> 01:34:21,626
no kill rain, no. One eye, seven nays. Motion failed.

1354
01:34:21,626 --> 01:34:25,826
Council member Lasser. Thank you. Sorry. Council member long. I.

1355
01:34:25,826 --> 01:34:31,264
Just have to ask a few more questions. So, Mr.

1356
01:34:31,264 --> 01:34:34,704
City manager, because of what the marriages said regarding state

1357
01:34:34,704 --> 01:34:40,224
statute, we can't even consider going beyond a four year

1358
01:34:40,224 --> 01:34:44,304
spread? In other words, could we lengthen it to nine

1359
01:34:44,304 --> 01:34:46,464
years? Or ten years. Mr. City attorney, I'm going to

1360
01:34:46,464 --> 01:34:51,941
defer. Limited to four. We're limited to four. Four because

1361
01:34:51,941 --> 01:34:55,505
of the percentage increase. As I hear, twelve and a

1362
01:34:55,505 --> 01:34:57,545
half. You're going to be going between 26 up to

1363
01:34:57,545 --> 01:35:02,751
50%, and it requires four years. Okay. And when we

1364
01:35:02,751 --> 01:35:06,551
talked about this in the cow and we said that

1365
01:35:06,551 --> 01:35:09,671
we wanted to be in line with Lee county and

1366
01:35:09,671 --> 01:35:12,791
forgive me, I don't remember the number. How much over

1367
01:35:12,791 --> 01:35:14,911
were we at twelve and a half percent or we

1368
01:35:14,911 --> 01:35:19,404
went over that in some cases, correct? We're at Lee

1369
01:35:19,404 --> 01:35:23,257
county in four years. Right. And in four years. And

1370
01:35:23,257 --> 01:35:31,121
that would require. These double digit increases. These 49.7%, then

1371
01:35:31,121 --> 01:35:34,921
33, then 24, then 20, ramping up and then going

1372
01:35:34,921 --> 01:35:41,135
down. Correct. It's a straight line increase. And because. Your

1373
01:35:41,135 --> 01:35:44,815
denominator is growing every year, then you're seeing a percentage

1374
01:35:44,815 --> 01:35:47,495
decrease, but it's a straight line decrease. A straight line

1375
01:35:47,495 --> 01:35:49,759
increase. Okay.

1376
01:36:01,703 --> 01:36:05,783
All right. Thank you, mayor. I think it's important to

1377
01:36:05,783 --> 01:36:08,823
mention I'm not an attorney, but I can read, and

1378
01:36:08,823 --> 01:36:13,203
I can read the statute. The statute says, and I

1379
01:36:13,203 --> 01:36:15,923
don't think the city attorney gave us the whole picture.

1380
01:36:17,532 --> 01:36:21,220
On your question. The statute says that we can raise

1381
01:36:21,220 --> 01:36:25,649
the impact fee twelve and a half percent. For a

1382
01:36:25,649 --> 01:36:28,769
period of four years that doesn't exceed 50%, and we

1383
01:36:28,769 --> 01:36:35,836
do not have. To apply the extraordinary circumstance. If we

1384
01:36:35,836 --> 01:36:40,364
do it today before October 1. Only two thirds of

1385
01:36:40,364 --> 01:36:44,724
this council has to approve it after October 1 if

1386
01:36:44,724 --> 01:36:49,324
we want to. Invoke the extraordinary circumstance. We still can,

1387
01:36:49,324 --> 01:36:52,745
as long as we show the need. But we have

1388
01:36:52,745 --> 01:36:57,402
to do it by 100%. Of a vote from the

1389
01:36:57,402 --> 01:37:00,522
eight of us. So that's what the statute says. So

1390
01:37:00,522 --> 01:37:04,427
I. Just want to make sure that you. Understood that

1391
01:37:04,427 --> 01:37:09,457
perfectly. Council member Stanky. Thank you, mayor. Yeah, I just

1392
01:37:09,457 --> 01:37:13,384
wanted to just go back. To this whole back to

1393
01:37:13,384 --> 01:37:16,784
the future deal we got going on with being behind

1394
01:37:16,784 --> 01:37:19,624
and trying to get caught up. Even that twelve and

1395
01:37:19,624 --> 01:37:23,104
a half percent over the ten year illustration that was

1396
01:37:23,104 --> 01:37:28,062
brought up. In that year, nine. We will get to

1397
01:37:28,062 --> 01:37:35,307
a point, based on those calculations, of $9,657. So that

1398
01:37:35,307 --> 01:37:40,590
means then, nine years from now, Plus the seven years.

1399
01:37:44,725 --> 01:37:50,217
Ago that Lee county came up with that. $9,800 number.

1400
01:37:51,802 --> 01:37:56,563
That means in 16 years. We're going to be where

1401
01:37:56,563 --> 01:38:01,791
we needed to be 16 years ago. Nine years from

1402
01:38:01,791 --> 01:38:06,992
now. So if we think we're behind now, With compounding

1403
01:38:06,992 --> 01:38:11,844
cost. But guess where we're going to be, then? So

1404
01:38:11,844 --> 01:38:15,324
we will literally be where we need to be nine

1405
01:38:15,324 --> 01:38:20,668
years from now, where we should have been. 16 years

1406
01:38:20,668 --> 01:38:27,339
ago. According to Lee County's analysis, That's it. Council member

1407
01:38:27,339 --> 01:38:34,131
Kilwick? Yeah, just back to the numbers again. If you

1408
01:38:34,131 --> 01:38:39,293
look at. Twelve and a half percent increase on the

1409
01:38:39,293 --> 01:38:44,843
number we're at right now. The 3500 roughly. We're really

1410
01:38:44,843 --> 01:38:49,516
talking about. The cost of the house. That's the number

1411
01:38:49,516 --> 01:38:53,254
we're talking about. What percentage or the cost of that

1412
01:38:53,254 --> 01:38:57,734
construction is going to be associated with this fee and

1413
01:38:57,734 --> 01:39:03,294
that real number is the denominator, as council member Stanky

1414
01:39:03,294 --> 01:39:09,540
mentioned, is more in the order. Of 265 $270,000. So

1415
01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:13,660
you're adding this increment onto that basis for the increment

1416
01:39:13,660 --> 01:39:17,900
that. The new individual is coming in. So percentages are

1417
01:39:17,900 --> 01:39:22,580
misleading. Sometimes when you're dealing with small denominators, and that's

1418
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:28,374
what we're doing in this case. The incremental fee. Is

1419
01:39:28,374 --> 01:39:31,134
a small portion of the overall cost of the house.

1420
01:39:31,134 --> 01:39:35,674
It's significant, but it's small. And I understand, coupled with

1421
01:39:35,674 --> 01:39:38,274
all the other fees that are out there, it really

1422
01:39:38,274 --> 01:39:42,449
adds to the deal. And in particular, if you're talking

1423
01:39:42,449 --> 01:39:48,169
about the UEP being in the 35,000 $40,000 magnitude. That's

1424
01:39:48,169 --> 01:39:50,649
a big bump. And that's a bump that we're trying

1425
01:39:50,649 --> 01:39:54,502
to help the residents. In being able to finance that,

1426
01:39:54,502 --> 01:39:57,662
but it's still a significant cost for them, so I

1427
01:39:57,662 --> 01:40:01,293
understand all of that. The key to it is, though

1428
01:40:01,293 --> 01:40:05,699
we're hamstrung by the statute. The statute says if you

1429
01:40:05,699 --> 01:40:09,179
don't move it, you can't move it. So let's look

1430
01:40:09,179 --> 01:40:13,259
at a strategy that moves it. But let's discount heavy

1431
01:40:13,259 --> 01:40:18,151
along that and by doing that, we kill. Both potentials.

1432
01:40:18,151 --> 01:40:22,671
It gives us a strategic opportunity to reduce or increase

1433
01:40:22,671 --> 01:40:25,431
as long as we do a deep enough discount each

1434
01:40:25,431 --> 01:40:29,271
year, and by doing it in a very deep discount,

1435
01:40:29,271 --> 01:40:31,551
we trip the statute. We have the high number if

1436
01:40:31,551 --> 01:40:33,391
we have to go to it ever. And the future?

1437
01:40:34,791 --> 01:40:36,631
Tells us that we have to do that. Does anyone

1438
01:40:36,631 --> 01:40:40,024
really. Think that the billing costs are going to be

1439
01:40:40,024 --> 01:40:43,624
reduced in the next few years or even less. Than

1440
01:40:43,624 --> 01:40:47,384
four or 5% in material cost. I don't think so.

1441
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:52,280
The tariffs right now will put an incremental kick up

1442
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:54,800
front on all of the billing. Cost of a couple

1443
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,220
of percent, no matter what happens. In anything else in

1444
01:40:58,220 --> 01:41:03,260
the economy. So from macroeconomic standpoint, Building costs are going

1445
01:41:03,260 --> 01:41:07,446
to go up significantly and probably. A significantly more than

1446
01:41:07,446 --> 01:41:10,126
what this fee would be on the total cost of

1447
01:41:10,126 --> 01:41:13,406
the house. So it's all compounding, but I don't think

1448
01:41:13,406 --> 01:41:17,726
it can be the source for the real economic increase

1449
01:41:17,726 --> 01:41:22,865
in total overall cost. It really isn't. It's a large

1450
01:41:22,865 --> 01:41:25,105
percentage based on what it was, but it's a small

1451
01:41:25,105 --> 01:41:29,385
denominator. So it's another way of staining, I think. What?

1452
01:41:29,385 --> 01:41:34,775
Councilman Stankia? Just mentioned. I appreciate the cost. That it's

1453
01:41:34,775 --> 01:41:39,650
really impinging upon anyone trying to buy a home. The

1454
01:41:39,650 --> 01:41:45,215
approach that I'm thinking about really splits. That among new

1455
01:41:45,215 --> 01:41:48,135
people and current residents over the future to get that

1456
01:41:48,135 --> 01:41:52,535
infrastructure. Thank you, ma'am. Council member Lehman. Yeah. I have

1457
01:41:52,535 --> 01:41:57,578
a question, Mr. City attorney. Okay if we go with

1458
01:41:57,578 --> 01:42:03,875
the twelve and a half percent? And all my fellow

1459
01:42:03,875 --> 01:42:07,800
council people have been talking about the discount if. We

1460
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:11,441
do not discount that twelve and a half percent. At

1461
01:42:11,441 --> 01:42:17,559
all. Is that considered an extraordinary circumstance? Or can we

1462
01:42:17,559 --> 01:42:19,799
just go with the twelve and a half percent across

1463
01:42:19,799 --> 01:42:24,771
the board? And it stays that way, period. No discounts

1464
01:42:24,771 --> 01:42:29,595
or anything like that. To make up the difference. Can

1465
01:42:29,595 --> 01:42:33,195
that be done? So here's what I am understanding of

1466
01:42:33,195 --> 01:42:37,021
this twelve and a half. Percent. Twelve and a half

1467
01:42:37,021 --> 01:42:41,746
percent is under the notion that. Under the existing law,

1468
01:42:41,746 --> 01:42:45,066
we would be increasing anywhere from 26% to 50%. But

1469
01:42:45,066 --> 01:42:48,156
it sounds like it's 50%. We're only allowed to do

1470
01:42:48,156 --> 01:42:52,345
it four years. So we would do it at twelve

1471
01:42:52,345 --> 01:42:56,225
and a half percent year, one year, two year, three

1472
01:42:56,225 --> 01:43:01,025
year. Four, which statutorily, right now, we're permitted to do.

1473
01:43:01,025 --> 01:43:02,545
You just have to phase. It in over four years.

1474
01:43:03,828 --> 01:43:07,348
The extraordinary circumstances study was so that we can go

1475
01:43:07,348 --> 01:43:15,687
beyond that percentage threshold. But. As council member, Lastra asked.

1476
01:43:15,687 --> 01:43:19,287
We're limited to four years for its implementation. We can't

1477
01:43:19,287 --> 01:43:22,487
go to five or six, we'd have to retake the

1478
01:43:22,487 --> 01:43:25,887
matter up in. Four years. So the only reason why

1479
01:43:25,887 --> 01:43:29,891
we're permitted at this point in time. To deviate from

1480
01:43:29,891 --> 01:43:35,504
the percentage caps. Is because we've conducted an extraordinary study.

1481
01:43:37,038 --> 01:43:41,318
As part of that extraordinary study, we've identified 60 pages,

1482
01:43:41,318 --> 01:43:47,078
60 page study identifying eight different criteria that supports deviating

1483
01:43:47,078 --> 01:43:50,278
from that, none of which have to do with the

1484
01:43:50,278 --> 01:43:52,918
fact that there is a new law in place that's

1485
01:43:52,918 --> 01:43:55,878
going to become effective on October 1. It's. Located on.

1486
01:43:57,383 --> 01:44:01,204
Page four of our study. And hopefully that answered your

1487
01:44:01,204 --> 01:44:06,264
question. Yeah, it does. Thank you. Thank you. Would it

1488
01:44:06,264 --> 01:44:08,544
be a fair statement, Mr. City attorney, to say for

1489
01:44:08,544 --> 01:44:11,064
the next 20 years? Now we may have to revisit

1490
01:44:11,064 --> 01:44:14,791
it every four years like you said. But for the

1491
01:44:14,791 --> 01:44:16,591
next 20 years, we could do twelve and a half

1492
01:44:16,591 --> 01:44:20,551
percent each year for the next 20 years if we

1493
01:44:20,551 --> 01:44:24,517
want it to. Every single year as long as we

1494
01:44:24,517 --> 01:44:28,677
don't exceed the 50% within that four year. Period. So

1495
01:44:28,677 --> 01:44:32,037
we could do twelve and a half percent every year

1496
01:44:32,037 --> 01:44:34,997
for the next 20 years now. We may have to

1497
01:44:34,997 --> 01:44:39,597
reevaluate it every four years, as you had stated, but

1498
01:44:39,597 --> 01:44:42,357
that option is still on the table, and we don't

1499
01:44:42,357 --> 01:44:46,395
have to meet the extra. Extraordinary circumstances. I believe may

1500
01:44:46,395 --> 01:44:48,435
you are correct. And unfortunately, I do not have the

1501
01:44:48,435 --> 01:44:51,875
amended statute before me, but. I don't believe that they

1502
01:44:51,875 --> 01:44:56,843
eliminated that requirement. Or the ability to do it up

1503
01:44:56,843 --> 01:45:00,745
to that percentage. To answer your question, All right, well.

1504
01:45:02,650 --> 01:45:04,690
We have a motion and a second on the floor.

1505
01:45:04,690 --> 01:45:07,210
I'll have the city clerk repeat. The motion. And the

1506
01:45:07,210 --> 01:45:11,999
motion, basically. Is to adopt the current plan, which. Is

1507
01:45:11,999 --> 01:45:13,999
basically a four year discounted plan in order to get

1508
01:45:13,999 --> 01:45:17,679
to whatever the number is, either on the residential side

1509
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:20,239
or the commercial side of the component. Madam City Court.

1510
01:45:22,231 --> 01:45:25,311
I just want to say for this vote too, this

1511
01:45:25,311 --> 01:45:28,791
is not a standard, typical vote. If we do not

1512
01:45:28,791 --> 01:45:37,706
have. Six votes in the affirmative. Under the statute, it

1513
01:45:37,706 --> 01:45:42,308
failed. This is not a straight vote. The motion on

1514
01:45:42,308 --> 01:45:47,996
the floor is motion to approve ordinance 42 25. Okay.

1515
01:45:47,996 --> 01:45:55,340
Thank you. Didn't call the role. Lastra. No.

1516
01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:08,258
Lehman. Long. Aye, steinki? Aye, danelle. Center? No.

1517
01:46:10,049 --> 01:46:15,764
Kaduk. No. He'll rain. Aye. So that's four eyes, four

1518
01:46:15,764 --> 01:46:20,386
nays. Motion failed. Okay, move on to the next topic

1519
01:46:20,386 --> 01:46:24,186
of discussion. We have ordinance 44 25. Madam City clerk,

1520
01:46:24,186 --> 01:46:28,786
please. Read the title. Ordinance 44 25. An ordinance of

1521
01:46:28,786 --> 01:46:31,186
the mayor and City Council of the City of Cape

1522
01:46:31,186 --> 01:46:41,027
Coral, Florida, repealing sections 1210, 1220, 312 26. Through 1231

1523
01:46:41,027 --> 01:46:45,507
and 1279 through 1286 of the City of Cape Coral,

1524
01:46:45,507 --> 01:46:50,507
Florida Code of Ordinances, chapter twelve offenses and miscellaneous provisions

1525
01:46:50,507 --> 01:46:55,827
repealing sections 18, 218, three and 18. Four of the

1526
01:46:55,827 --> 01:46:59,107
City of Cape Coral. Florida Code of Ordinances, chapter 18

1527
01:46:59,107 --> 01:47:01,405
Tra. Traffic. Repealing sections

1528
01:47:01,405 --> 01:47:15,685
6.2.16.

1529
01:47:15,685 --> 01:47:19,125
City of Cape Coral, Florida land Development code amending the

1530
01:47:19,125 --> 01:47:21,971
City of Cape. Coral, Florida Code of Ordinances chapter twelve

1531
01:47:21,971 --> 01:47:28,211
offenses and miscellaneous provisions, article twelve section twelve 127 amending

1532
01:47:28,211 --> 01:47:30,811
the City of Cape Coral, Florida Code of Ordinances chapter

1533
01:47:30,811 --> 01:47:36,091
twelve offenses and miscellaneous provisions by creating article twelve parking

1534
01:47:36,091 --> 01:47:45,053
restrictions, sections twelve 127 point. 112 127.212 127.312

1535
01:47:45,053 --> 01:47:54,693
127.412 127.512 127.612 127.712

1536
01:47:54,693 --> 01:48:04,120
127.812 127.912 120. 7.1012 127.1112 127. Point

1537
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:12,164
twelve. 127.1312, 127.1412.

1538
01:48:12,164 --> 01:48:20,684
127.1512. 127.16. And twelve. 127.17. Providing for parking restrictions in

1539
01:48:20,684 --> 01:48:25,484
the city, providing for enforcement penalties and towing and impoundment

1540
01:48:25,484 --> 01:48:29,523
providing for codification and resolution. Of conflicting laws providing for

1541
01:48:29,523 --> 01:48:34,765
severability and an effective date. Captain. Well, thank you very

1542
01:48:34,765 --> 01:48:36,885
much for that. And with that, I will turn it

1543
01:48:36,885 --> 01:48:41,163
over to Mr. City attorney thank you, mayor. As this

1544
01:48:41,163 --> 01:48:44,443
ordinance has been presented before the committee of the whole

1545
01:48:44,443 --> 01:48:48,323
it has been unchanged, but I will surmise it for

1546
01:48:48,323 --> 01:48:51,850
you all in the public. So this ordinance right now,

1547
01:48:51,850 --> 01:48:56,250
ordinance 44 25, is a consolidation of all the parking

1548
01:48:56,250 --> 01:48:59,170
regulations that presently exist within the city's code of ordinances

1549
01:48:59,170 --> 01:49:03,170
and land development code. It is meant to put all

1550
01:49:03,170 --> 01:49:07,210
of the parking regulations within one specific article, which is

1551
01:49:07,210 --> 01:49:12,103
chapter twelve. Article twelve of the city's code. Of ordinances.

1552
01:49:12,103 --> 01:49:15,623
It is meant also to address violations that occur on

1553
01:49:15,623 --> 01:49:20,531
public property. By way of a most current section, which

1554
01:49:20,531 --> 01:49:26,535
is section twelve one, two 7.1. Everything. And also an

1555
01:49:26,535 --> 01:49:30,255
enforcement section, which is a brand new section, which is

1556
01:49:30,255 --> 01:49:35,027
section twelve 127.17. And that deals with the authority of

1557
01:49:35,027 --> 01:49:40,947
a parking enforcement officer issuing violations within public property and

1558
01:49:40,947 --> 01:49:43,947
also recognizing the ability of code compliance to continue to

1559
01:49:43,947 --> 01:49:47,907
enforce parking regulations when it pertains to vehicles that are

1560
01:49:47,907 --> 01:49:55,538
on private property. The remaining portions of. This specific. Ordinance

1561
01:49:55,538 --> 01:49:58,938
is existing language. None of it was touched. As we

1562
01:49:58,938 --> 01:50:02,338
discussed during the committee of the whole there was a

1563
01:50:02,338 --> 01:50:07,058
definition that was added to section twelve 127, which pertains

1564
01:50:07,058 --> 01:50:11,982
to. The definition of a construction trailer within the South

1565
01:50:11,982 --> 01:50:16,513
Cape zoning District. And other than that, everything else remains

1566
01:50:16,513 --> 01:50:20,033
existing. Language that has not been altered with the exception

1567
01:50:20,033 --> 01:50:21,873
of what was presented to you before the committee as

1568
01:50:21,873 --> 01:50:27,469
a whole, which is new language. Twelve one. 27.1 and

1569
01:50:27,469 --> 01:50:30,989
then the enforcement penalties in towing and impound section, which

1570
01:50:30,989 --> 01:50:36,915
is identified as twelve 127.15. Thank you. I'll now open

1571
01:50:36,915 --> 01:50:40,115
up public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak on ordinance 44

1572
01:50:40,115 --> 01:50:45,334
25. Please come forward. Are you coming up, sir?

1573
01:50:55,494 --> 01:50:57,814
How's it going? I'm Nick Leckle, local business owner, Phoenix

1574
01:50:57,814 --> 01:51:02,334
Marine Construction. Today. Just on social medias and everything. All

1575
01:51:02,334 --> 01:51:05,294
we heard all day was commercial vehicle, this commercial vehicle.

1576
01:51:05,294 --> 01:51:08,735
That. And I know a few years ago, Language was

1577
01:51:08,735 --> 01:51:11,655
changed to where we were allowed to bring one marked

1578
01:51:11,655 --> 01:51:14,615
vehicle home and parked it in. Our driveways. From what

1579
01:51:14,615 --> 01:51:17,775
I've been able to read, obviously I couldn't go. Through

1580
01:51:17,775 --> 01:51:20,455
all these designations in the 2 hours that I had

1581
01:51:20,455 --> 01:51:23,055
to prep for this, I thought there'd be an abridged

1582
01:51:23,055 --> 01:51:26,613
version of this presented. I don't know if I'm allowed

1583
01:51:26,613 --> 01:51:29,613
to ask questions or how this goes, but. Anyway, a

1584
01:51:29,613 --> 01:51:31,253
few years ago, we were allowed to bring a vehicle

1585
01:51:31,253 --> 01:51:34,253
home, which is great. So what? Are they designating a

1586
01:51:34,253 --> 01:51:37,333
commercial vehicle? Is this something that I'm still allowed to

1587
01:51:37,333 --> 01:51:41,417
park? In my driveway. Are we talking about vans? Work

1588
01:51:41,417 --> 01:51:45,129
trucks? Are we talking about 18 wheelers? What's the language

1589
01:51:45,129 --> 01:51:48,038
there? I'm sure I could find it in here. But

1590
01:51:48,038 --> 01:51:50,238
being as the situation we're in right now, I think

1591
01:51:50,238 --> 01:51:53,358
if somebody could give me two sentences on what we're

1592
01:51:53,358 --> 01:51:55,438
calling that. The reason I bring this up is right

1593
01:51:55,438 --> 01:51:58,576
now. I park my work truck at home. For me

1594
01:51:58,576 --> 01:52:00,736
to put my truck at my yard, which we do

1595
01:52:00,736 --> 01:52:03,736
have. It's literally cost. Me 60 grand because now I

1596
01:52:03,736 --> 01:52:05,616
have to go buy another vehicle in order to drive

1597
01:52:05,616 --> 01:52:07,296
it ten. Minutes a day to go get my other

1598
01:52:07,296 --> 01:52:10,513
truck and go to work. Can I bike? Sure. Can

1599
01:52:10,513 --> 01:52:14,033
I walk? Yeah. It'll take me longer. Again, my question

1600
01:52:14,033 --> 01:52:16,673
is. What's the language on a commercial vehicle? Is that

1601
01:52:16,673 --> 01:52:22,127
in here somewhere? Does anybody know right offhand? This only

1602
01:52:22,127 --> 01:52:26,435
applies to our right away, our public right away. So

1603
01:52:26,435 --> 01:52:30,995
this particular ordinance changes. Nothing that's already existing has nothing

1604
01:52:30,995 --> 01:52:33,915
to do with parking vehicles. In the driveway. This is

1605
01:52:33,915 --> 01:52:37,850
only for. Your public right of ways throughout the city.

1606
01:52:37,850 --> 01:52:41,841
Okay, so we park on roads a lot. Building docs.

1607
01:52:44,189 --> 01:52:46,669
A lot of customers on the water. They don't want

1608
01:52:46,669 --> 01:52:49,909
you on their $200,000 driveways for leaking oil. This, that

1609
01:52:49,909 --> 01:52:53,629
and the other. A lot of your major through fares.

1610
01:52:53,629 --> 01:52:57,909
Are on major roads. Santa Barbara, Cape Coral Parkway, for

1611
01:52:57,909 --> 01:52:59,829
crying out loud. And that place is a parking lot

1612
01:52:59,829 --> 01:53:05,206
from 07:00 a.m. to 930. So. Anyway, it doesn't affect

1613
01:53:05,206 --> 01:53:11,259
me. So trucks and driveways, fine. Excellent. Thank you. You're

1614
01:53:11,259 --> 01:53:16,324
good. Anyone else wishing to speak during citizens input on

1615
01:53:16,324 --> 01:53:25,426
ordinance 44 25. Seeing none. Public hearing is now closed.

1616
01:53:25,426 --> 01:53:31,561
I'll entertain a motion regarding ordinance 44 25. Motion to

1617
01:53:31,561 --> 01:53:35,924
approve. And I will open up for council discussion. Council

1618
01:53:35,924 --> 01:53:41,467
member stanky. Thank you, mayor. I want to bring up

1619
01:53:41,467 --> 01:53:43,747
something that I've brought up before, and there's been discussions

1620
01:53:43,747 --> 01:53:49,575
and some support and some questions about and. That is

1621
01:53:49,575 --> 01:53:54,240
getting back to. Our residents comments and gets to the

1622
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:59,213
definition of a commercial vehicle. I'm very supportive of the

1623
01:53:59,213 --> 01:54:04,453
ordinance itself and its intent. My concern is the sea

1624
01:54:04,453 --> 01:54:11,103
turtle. That's getting caught in the fishing net and. That

1625
01:54:11,103 --> 01:54:15,673
is a passenger vehicle that happens to be lettered. That

1626
01:54:15,673 --> 01:54:19,433
currently has an exemption for that driveway at the house.

1627
01:54:21,319 --> 01:54:27,504
But. In this legislation. There is no exemption for that

1628
01:54:27,504 --> 01:54:32,765
vehicle. That's. On the right of way along the road.

1629
01:54:34,164 --> 01:54:35,724
And the example that I would give you is that.

1630
01:54:37,344 --> 01:54:41,824
Sally Jones can have a Toyota Camry that says Bimary

1631
01:54:41,824 --> 01:54:47,803
K products from Sally Jones in her driveway. But she

1632
01:54:47,803 --> 01:54:51,683
can't have it in front of a neighbor's home. That's

1633
01:54:51,683 --> 01:54:55,818
having a Super bowl party. Where a Ford F 150

1634
01:54:55,818 --> 01:54:58,898
truck could park as long as there was no lettering

1635
01:54:58,898 --> 01:55:02,788
on it. So what I'm asking for is a modification.

1636
01:55:05,252 --> 01:55:09,985
In the commercial definition section to give. The same exemption.

1637
01:55:11,408 --> 01:55:16,850
To that passenger vehicle. To that lettered passenger vehicle. That

1638
01:55:16,850 --> 01:55:20,020
we currently give for their driveway. That they could park

1639
01:55:20,020 --> 01:55:23,260
in front of that house if they went there for

1640
01:55:23,260 --> 01:55:29,627
a birthday party, a baby shower or whatever. It's been

1641
01:55:29,627 --> 01:55:32,547
said that, well, the officer can choose to give or

1642
01:55:32,547 --> 01:55:36,107
not give a citation. For it. I don't think it's

1643
01:55:36,107 --> 01:55:38,627
fair on the officer for them to make. A subjective

1644
01:55:38,627 --> 01:55:44,010
decision like that. When we make the exception for the

1645
01:55:44,010 --> 01:55:48,228
driveway. I believe we should make that same exception in

1646
01:55:48,228 --> 01:55:54,445
that right of way. And so. I'm supportive of. This

1647
01:55:54,445 --> 01:55:58,397
legislation. But I would ask for support to have that

1648
01:55:58,397 --> 01:56:04,009
one modification. To have the same exception. That we give.

1649
01:56:05,051 --> 01:56:11,851
To the driveway. Thanks, council member Lehman. I thank you,

1650
01:56:11,851 --> 01:56:18,408
council member Stanky. I would agree with him. In terms

1651
01:56:18,408 --> 01:56:22,368
of. A lettered vehicle. Whether it be a vehicle, a

1652
01:56:22,368 --> 01:56:26,087
pickup truck, I don't care what. It is. If they

1653
01:56:26,087 --> 01:56:28,887
are, say, parked, they are parked in the right away

1654
01:56:28,887 --> 01:56:33,407
on a temporary basis, say for family reunion, family birthday,

1655
01:56:33,407 --> 01:56:40,960
whatever. I think the officer then. There should be some

1656
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,920
kind of a modification here or a clarification here that

1657
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:48,560
the officer would have to question, go up to the

1658
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:53,455
door and knock on the door and say, hey. Is

1659
01:56:53,455 --> 01:56:57,533
there a reason for this vehicle being here? Not just

1660
01:56:57,533 --> 01:57:01,773
Carplash. Ticket or vehicle. I think there has to be

1661
01:57:01,773 --> 01:57:06,855
a question asked about this. I don't think. It can

1662
01:57:06,855 --> 01:57:12,689
be an indiscriminate choice. Hey. If your lettered vehicle, whether

1663
01:57:12,689 --> 01:57:18,725
it be a pickup truck, A regular car. Is in

1664
01:57:18,725 --> 01:57:22,226
the right of way. There may be a reason for

1665
01:57:22,226 --> 01:57:26,306
it being there if it's there for less than 24.

1666
01:57:26,306 --> 01:57:29,949
Hours. I don't think that's an issue. I don't think

1667
01:57:29,949 --> 01:57:34,541
that would be a problem. Can anything be modified? Can

1668
01:57:34,541 --> 01:57:40,714
it be modified that way? Mr. City attorney? There's a

1669
01:57:40,714 --> 01:57:43,434
couple of things that you brought up, one of which

1670
01:57:43,434 --> 01:57:46,154
is allowing it to remain there for 24 hours. When

1671
01:57:46,154 --> 01:57:47,474
we were at the committee of the whole, there was

1672
01:57:47,474 --> 01:57:54,644
no discussion. On that. Right now, we do permit certain

1673
01:57:54,644 --> 01:57:59,797
exemptions. I didn't run through six of B. In a

1674
01:57:59,797 --> 01:58:03,728
sense of. There's inherently police power within our ordinance. There's

1675
01:58:03,728 --> 01:58:07,168
also the inherent authority to conduct whatever investigation is necessary.

1676
01:58:08,583 --> 01:58:10,263
In order for there to be a violation issued. So

1677
01:58:10,263 --> 01:58:13,623
you don't necessarily write that in. There. It exists by

1678
01:58:13,623 --> 01:58:16,978
way of a matter of just law. Does that answer

1679
01:58:16,978 --> 01:58:23,145
your question? It's already there. It's not left to the

1680
01:58:23,145 --> 01:58:27,825
discretion of the officer driving by. The officer has the

1681
01:58:27,825 --> 01:58:33,425
discretion to conduct whatever investigation they deem appropriate before they

1682
01:58:33,425 --> 01:58:36,345
take any action. Regarding a violation of our code of

1683
01:58:36,345 --> 01:58:42,003
laws and ordinances. Are they required to do an investigation?

1684
01:58:43,436 --> 01:58:47,207
Before they take. To ensure that after issuing a violation

1685
01:58:47,207 --> 01:58:49,647
is in fact supported by the facts and the evidence

1686
01:58:49,647 --> 01:58:55,408
that they've collected. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. May.

1687
01:58:55,408 --> 01:59:02,645
Yeah? I think it's important. To note. Police officers, parking

1688
01:59:02,645 --> 01:59:09,329
enforcement officer, whomever. May be. Enforcing this particular ordinance that

1689
01:59:09,329 --> 01:59:14,431
passes. They have discretion. And how many times. I can't

1690
01:59:14,431 --> 01:59:17,031
tell you how many times that I've seen people have

1691
01:59:17,031 --> 01:59:19,871
birthday parties where they're parked in front of their house.

1692
01:59:19,871 --> 01:59:26,409
The vacant lot next door, which is not allowed. You'll

1693
01:59:26,409 --> 01:59:29,871
see 15 cars on the vacant lot. You may even

1694
01:59:29,871 --> 01:59:32,551
see a construction site. Where? There's a vacant lot next

1695
01:59:32,551 --> 01:59:35,511
door. I've done it myself. I've parked in the vacant

1696
01:59:35,511 --> 01:59:38,391
lot, working on the house right next. Door. It happens

1697
01:59:38,391 --> 01:59:44,051
all the time. But the traffic enforcement officer or the

1698
01:59:44,051 --> 01:59:48,906
police officer. Or parking enforcement officer has that sole discretion

1699
01:59:48,906 --> 01:59:51,986
as a part of their investigation, we'll have to determine.

1700
01:59:53,795 --> 01:59:55,875
If they want to abide by the letter or the

1701
01:59:55,875 --> 02:00:00,783
law, could they write them? Surely. But. I would think.

1702
02:00:02,576 --> 02:00:05,817
That. The police officer would look at all the facts

1703
02:00:05,817 --> 02:00:08,537
and make a determination whether to either give them a

1704
02:00:08,537 --> 02:00:12,617
written warning, a verbal warning or a citation, and that's

1705
02:00:12,617 --> 02:00:17,222
basically what they are afforded. So with that, I see

1706
02:00:17,222 --> 02:00:19,502
no other lights on. There's a motion and second on

1707
02:00:19,502 --> 02:00:25,182
the floor, please call the rope. Last round. Aye Lehman

1708
02:00:25,182 --> 02:00:32,470
long. Aye steinki. Aye danl aye center. Aye. Aye. He'll

1709
02:00:32,470 --> 02:00:37,110
range. Aye. Eight eyes. Motion carried. Okay, I just want

1710
02:00:37,110 --> 02:00:41,110
to state. Anyone here? That wishes to participate in citizens

1711
02:00:41,110 --> 02:00:44,950
input. If you haven't already, please fill out a card.

1712
02:00:44,950 --> 02:00:46,950
Drop it in the box. The city clerk will call

1713
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:49,550
you here shortly. When we get to that. Part of

1714
02:00:49,550 --> 02:00:54,971
the agenda. Item 9D is introductions. First of which is

1715
02:00:54,971 --> 02:00:59,411
ordinance 39 25. Madam City Clerk, please read title. Set

1716
02:00:59,411 --> 02:01:04,131
the public hearing date. Ordinance 39 25, an ordinance of

1717
02:01:04,131 --> 02:01:06,531
the mayor and city council of the City of Cape

1718
02:01:06,531 --> 02:01:10,211
Coral, Florida amending the City of Cape Coral, Florida Comprehensive

1719
02:01:10,211 --> 02:01:13,979
plan by amending the future land. Use map from commercial

1720
02:01:13,979 --> 02:01:18,979
and conservation wetlands, a Lee county designation, to Pine Island

1721
02:01:18,979 --> 02:01:22,299
Road district. Land use for property described as a parcel

1722
02:01:22,299 --> 02:01:25,979
of land located in section four, township 44 south, ranch

1723
02:01:25,979 --> 02:01:30,739
24 east. Lee County, Florida. As more particularly described herein,

1724
02:01:30,739 --> 02:01:34,268
property located at 2800 Northea. Northeast pine island road north

1725
02:01:34,268 --> 02:01:38,919
fort myers, florida. In 1481 Barrett Road North, Fort Myers,

1726
02:01:38,919 --> 02:01:42,999
Florida, providing for severability and an effective date the public

1727
02:01:42,999 --> 02:01:48,234
hearing will be September 17, 2025. Thank you. Any discussion

1728
02:01:48,234 --> 02:01:51,530
by staff or council? Seeing none. We're going to move

1729
02:01:51,530 --> 02:01:54,370
on to ordinance 40 25. Madam City clerk, please read.

1730
02:01:54,370 --> 02:01:59,059
Title set the public hearing date. Ordinance 40 25, an

1731
02:01:59,059 --> 02:02:01,379
ordinance of the mayor and city council of the City

1732
02:02:01,379 --> 02:02:04,139
of Cape Coral, Florida. That amends the City of Cape

1733
02:02:04,139 --> 02:02:07,419
Coral, Florida official zoning district map of all property within

1734
02:02:07,419 --> 02:02:10,379
the limits of the City of Cape Coral by rezoning

1735
02:02:10,379 --> 02:02:13,419
property described as a parcel of land. Located in section

1736
02:02:13,419 --> 02:02:17,795
four, township 44, South Range 24, Eastley County, Florida. As

1737
02:02:17,795 --> 02:02:22,115
more particularly described herein, from Lee county commercial plan development

1738
02:02:22,115 --> 02:02:26,875
to commercial corridor Zone properties located at 2800 Pine Island

1739
02:02:26,875 --> 02:02:31,275
Road in 1481 Barrett Road, providing for severability and an

1740
02:02:31,275 --> 02:02:35,915
effective date. The public hearing will be September 17, 2025.

1741
02:02:37,410 --> 02:02:40,771
Any discussion by staff or council. Seeing none, will move

1742
02:02:40,771 --> 02:02:43,971
on to ordinance 46 25. Madam City clerk, please read

1743
02:02:43,971 --> 02:02:48,371
the title. Set the public hearing date for transmittal ordinance

1744
02:02:48,371 --> 02:02:52,051
46 25, an ordinance of the mayor and city council

1745
02:02:52,051 --> 02:02:54,451
of the City of Cape Coral, Florida amending the City

1746
02:02:54,451 --> 02:02:59,731
of Cape Coral, Florida Comprehensive plan by amending policy 1.15

1747
02:02:59,731 --> 02:03:02,818
of. The future land use element by amending the Seven

1748
02:03:02,818 --> 02:03:07,538
Island Subdistrict, providing for severability and an effective date. The

1749
02:03:07,538 --> 02:03:13,107
public hearing for transmittal will be September 17, 2025. Any

1750
02:03:13,107 --> 02:03:16,824
discussion by staff or council. Seeing none, we'll move on

1751
02:03:16,824 --> 02:03:20,864
to ordinance 52 25. Madam City clerk, please read title

1752
02:03:20,864 --> 02:03:25,683
set. The public hearing date. Ordinance 52 25, an ordinance

1753
02:03:25,683 --> 02:03:27,723
of the mayor and city council of the City of

1754
02:03:27,723 --> 02:03:31,283
Cape Coral, Florida. Approving and granting to Lee County Electric

1755
02:03:31,283 --> 02:03:34,283
Cooperative, Inc. And easement for a right of way to

1756
02:03:34,283 --> 02:03:37,563
be used for the construction, operation and maintenance of one

1757
02:03:37,563 --> 02:03:41,843
or more overhead and underground electric distribution. Lines across property

1758
02:03:41,843 --> 02:03:45,235
owned by the city known as. JC park, as more

1759
02:03:45,235 --> 02:03:49,195
particularly described herein, authorizing and directing the mayor to execute

1760
02:03:49,195 --> 02:03:51,915
the easement a copy of the easement is attached here

1761
02:03:51,915 --> 02:03:56,035
to and incorporated herein by reference, providing severo ability and

1762
02:03:56,035 --> 02:03:59,595
an effective date. The public hearing will be September 17,

1763
02:03:59,595 --> 02:04:05,853
2025. Any discussion by staff or council. Seeing none, will

1764
02:04:05,853 --> 02:04:11,013
move on to ordinance 53 25. Madam City clerk, please

1765
02:04:11,013 --> 02:04:16,546
read title set to public. Hearing date. Ordinance 53 25,

1766
02:04:16,546 --> 02:04:18,866
an ordinance of the mayor and city council of the

1767
02:04:18,866 --> 02:04:21,506
City of Cape Coral, Florida. Amending the City of Cape

1768
02:04:21,506 --> 02:04:26,146
Coral, Florida Code of Ordinances, chapter twelve, offenses and miscellaneous

1769
02:04:26,146 --> 02:04:31,626
provisions article 14, residential rental property, section twelve one two

1770
02:04:31,626 --> 02:04:37,249
nine, residential rental. Property registration regarding the requirement to register

1771
02:04:37,249 --> 02:04:41,129
residential rental property with the city, providing for codification and

1772
02:04:41,129 --> 02:04:45,489
resolution of conflicting laws providing for severability and an effective

1773
02:04:45,489 --> 02:04:51,199
date. The public hearing will be September 17, 2025. Any

1774
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:57,265
discussion by staff or council? Council member Lehman? Yes. The

1775
02:04:57,265 --> 02:05:03,563
resolution that Mr. City attorney had given us. Regarding the

1776
02:05:03,563 --> 02:05:08,683
annual registration fee for long term residential rental property of

1777
02:05:08,683 --> 02:05:14,413
$35. I have no problem with the annual registration fee

1778
02:05:14,413 --> 02:05:22,265
for short term residential property. Of $350 annually. I have

1779
02:05:22,265 --> 02:05:27,003
a problem with. I think that. If we are encouraging

1780
02:05:27,003 --> 02:05:35,971
people. Over property owners. To register. Their homes, follow the

1781
02:05:35,971 --> 02:05:40,251
codes, follow the rules. I think that in the first

1782
02:05:40,251 --> 02:05:43,411
year. Yes, make it. To 350. But in the second

1783
02:05:43,411 --> 02:05:48,051
year, if they've had no code calls, no police calls,

1784
02:05:48,051 --> 02:05:52,211
no problems. They've registered. They've followed all the rules. We

1785
02:05:52,211 --> 02:05:55,672
give them a 50%. Discount. In the second year now.

1786
02:05:57,499 --> 02:06:00,099
In the second year that we've given them the discount.

1787
02:06:01,452 --> 02:06:04,477
They're not following the rules. Then. Yeah. In the third

1788
02:06:04,477 --> 02:06:10,232
year, goes back up to the 350. I think. That

1789
02:06:10,232 --> 02:06:18,005
350. I realized it's to cover our cost. Costs. On

1790
02:06:18,005 --> 02:06:20,365
the short term rentals because we have a lot of

1791
02:06:20,365 --> 02:06:26,206
short term rentals. That they're not following the rules, whether

1792
02:06:26,206 --> 02:06:30,820
they're not registering it. They're not following the codes. It's

1793
02:06:30,820 --> 02:06:35,500
nightmares constantly I hear from citizens constantly with problems with

1794
02:06:35,500 --> 02:06:39,340
homes in their neighborhoods. Which is why I'm saying if

1795
02:06:39,340 --> 02:06:43,300
they follow the rules, let's give them an incentive to

1796
02:06:43,300 --> 02:06:48,699
follow the rules to register. To follow all the codes

1797
02:06:48,699 --> 02:06:55,502
and everything else. Thank you. Thank you. Seeing no other

1798
02:06:55,502 --> 02:07:00,470
discussion. This is council member Lehman. Just an introduction. For

1799
02:07:00,470 --> 02:07:03,430
next week's meeting, and I'm sure you'll weigh in on

1800
02:07:03,430 --> 02:07:07,996
that. Topic again. And voice your opinion at that time.

1801
02:07:07,996 --> 02:07:12,506
Oh, yeah. Okay. Any other discussion by staff for council.

1802
02:07:14,046 --> 02:07:19,578
Yes, sir. If I may. Just briefly go through what

1803
02:07:19,578 --> 02:07:23,457
we've done here so the resolution will be adopted. At

1804
02:07:23,457 --> 02:07:27,170
next council meeting based upon. Should there be adoption of

1805
02:07:27,170 --> 02:07:30,850
ordinance 53 25 on the 17th. But I just want

1806
02:07:30,850 --> 02:07:33,450
to touch upon what we've done here. We've identified two

1807
02:07:33,450 --> 02:07:37,172
different set of circumstances. For what? We're going to be

1808
02:07:37,172 --> 02:07:43,891
assessing the. Rental registration fee. We've defined long term residential,

1809
02:07:43,891 --> 02:07:49,047
meaning. What that would be triggering for the fee associated

1810
02:07:49,047 --> 02:07:52,247
with that. And we've identified short term rental as well.

1811
02:07:53,432 --> 02:07:56,744
We've also further identified that. The correct department will be

1812
02:07:56,744 --> 02:08:00,224
the city clerk's department that will oversee this specific matter

1813
02:08:00,224 --> 02:08:03,504
and we went ahead and further identified that there should

1814
02:08:03,504 --> 02:08:08,451
be an annual registration and that annual registration. Shall be

1815
02:08:08,451 --> 02:08:11,371
monetary amount shall be established by resolution, and I've attached

1816
02:08:11,371 --> 02:08:15,727
that resolution in support. Of that. As additional requirement for

1817
02:08:15,727 --> 02:08:19,751
that. We've also identified that there's a 30 day. Essentially

1818
02:08:19,751 --> 02:08:21,911
grace period for renewals. And in the event that there's

1819
02:08:21,911 --> 02:08:23,991
a failure to properly renew within that 30 day period

1820
02:08:23,991 --> 02:08:28,841
of time. The resolution does identify a $50 late fee

1821
02:08:28,841 --> 02:08:31,881
if they in fact do not register within 30 days

1822
02:08:31,881 --> 02:08:38,368
of. That grace period. More importantly, and based upon the

1823
02:08:38,368 --> 02:08:43,206
discussions that have occurred, I've created three separate circumstances by

1824
02:08:43,206 --> 02:08:46,931
way of which. There is a fine associated and finest

1825
02:08:46,931 --> 02:08:51,936
associate on specific conduct. In reference to number one, it

1826
02:08:51,936 --> 02:08:57,622
pertains to those individuals who may misrepresent. The type of

1827
02:08:57,622 --> 02:09:00,502
rental they're doing. For example, if they are asserting to

1828
02:09:00,502 --> 02:09:04,302
the city that they're engaging long term residential property in

1829
02:09:04,302 --> 02:09:07,702
the city does, in fact, identify that they are engaged

1830
02:09:07,702 --> 02:09:12,342
in short term rental. The first violation penalty is $1,000.

1831
02:09:14,104 --> 02:09:18,741
Any second and subsequent. Fine if they're caught continuing to

1832
02:09:18,741 --> 02:09:22,501
misrepresent how it is that they're. Registered as 2000. That's

1833
02:09:22,501 --> 02:09:24,661
any second and subsequent within a three year period of

1834
02:09:24,661 --> 02:09:30,619
time. Secondarily, I've identified conduct in the event that, whether

1835
02:09:30,619 --> 02:09:34,494
a long term or a short term individual. Rental property

1836
02:09:34,494 --> 02:09:38,977
does not renew. Within the appropriate time set forth. So,

1837
02:09:38,977 --> 02:09:42,177
in other words, they're notified that they have to renew.

1838
02:09:42,177 --> 02:09:44,937
They do not comply within the 30 day grace period.

1839
02:09:44,937 --> 02:09:49,097
And the city does, in fact, identify. And do catch

1840
02:09:49,097 --> 02:09:51,817
them that they are, in fact, renting their property. If

1841
02:09:51,817 --> 02:09:55,017
it's a long term violation. Under that scenario, it's a

1842
02:09:55,017 --> 02:10:00,577
$250 fine, first offense, 502nd. And subsequent. If it's a

1843
02:10:00,577 --> 02:10:04,120
short term, it is a $500 fine. Any second and

1844
02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:08,458
subsequent offense is going to be $1,000 fine. And then

1845
02:10:08,458 --> 02:10:11,698
lastly, if there is in fact any other violations that

1846
02:10:11,698 --> 02:10:16,744
is not identified within. D one and d two. So

1847
02:10:16,744 --> 02:10:20,104
if there's a failure to properly identify a number or.

1848
02:10:20,104 --> 02:10:25,049
A contact individual. It essentially addresses all other violations that

1849
02:10:25,049 --> 02:10:28,769
is encapsulated within d three. And I treat long term

1850
02:10:28,769 --> 02:10:32,049
and short term differently in the sense that long term

1851
02:10:32,049 --> 02:10:35,856
has a $500 fine for the first offense. 1000 for

1852
02:10:35,856 --> 02:10:39,376
every second and subsequent and short term first offense is

1853
02:10:39,376 --> 02:10:44,016
1000 and these second, subsequent is 2000, and that is

1854
02:10:44,016 --> 02:10:49,104
essentially what the current. Penalty and requirements of the registration

1855
02:10:49,104 --> 02:10:54,097
exists. As of this proposed draft. Okay. Thank you, Mr.

1856
02:10:54,097 --> 02:11:01,388
City attorney. Any other discussion on ordinance 53 25? Will

1857
02:11:01,388 --> 02:11:05,388
move on to item ten. Is citizens input time. Please

1858
02:11:05,388 --> 02:11:08,428
remember it's a maximum 60. Minutes on the input of

1859
02:11:08,428 --> 02:11:13,526
citizens or matters concerning city government. The city clerk will

1860
02:11:13,526 --> 02:11:18,883
call your name. And you will come forward when she

1861
02:11:18,883 --> 02:11:21,843
calls your name. Just stay seated. I believe she'll call

1862
02:11:21,843 --> 02:11:24,203
two names so the first person can come up to

1863
02:11:24,203 --> 02:11:27,524
the podium. The second person can just stand behind and

1864
02:11:27,524 --> 02:11:30,484
wait, and she'll go through the process that way with

1865
02:11:30,484 --> 02:11:34,084
all the people that filled out the comment cards. Madam

1866
02:11:34,084 --> 02:11:38,004
city clerk Kyle Lahamadu. And Julia Atari.

1867
02:11:44,841 --> 02:11:51,171
Kyalamadu district seven. I am here requesting that my council

1868
02:11:51,171 --> 02:11:55,451
member, Rachel Kaduk, hold the city attorney, city manager and

1869
02:11:55,451 --> 02:11:59,531
city clerk accountable for failing to respond to my email

1870
02:11:59,531 --> 02:12:04,011
seeking clarification on a public records request. I sent the

1871
02:12:04,011 --> 02:12:07,251
email on August 20 at ten 08:00 a.m. i. Also

1872
02:12:07,251 --> 02:12:11,859
raised the issue. Last week during citizens input and still

1873
02:12:11,859 --> 02:12:15,579
have received no response. It has now been two weeks

1874
02:12:15,579 --> 02:12:19,499
without any acknowledgment. I am asking for a response at

1875
02:12:19,499 --> 02:12:22,259
the end of citizens. Input in chambers, so it will

1876
02:12:22,259 --> 02:12:24,779
be on the same record as this question. Thank you.

1877
02:12:26,435 --> 02:12:35,664
Julia Atari. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, Juliet.

1878
02:12:37,899 --> 02:12:40,539
I just want to read something here. It says, the

1879
02:12:40,539 --> 02:12:46,421
importance of citizens input prior to. A vote. You guys

1880
02:12:46,421 --> 02:12:51,353
moved citizens input. And you've made comments that, oh, everybody

1881
02:12:51,353 --> 02:12:55,251
leaves before we answer the questions. Giving the citizens a

1882
02:12:55,251 --> 02:13:00,651
voice before council vote is crucial to ensuring government decisions.

1883
02:13:00,651 --> 02:13:07,569
Are representatives. Are effective with their legitimate votes. Public input

1884
02:13:07,569 --> 02:13:15,089
strengthens democratic principles by increasing transparency and building community. Trust.

1885
02:13:15,089 --> 02:13:18,809
So when we come here and you post an agenda,

1886
02:13:18,809 --> 02:13:21,969
and we read the agenda before we come here because

1887
02:13:21,969 --> 02:13:24,425
you're going to vote on something. That may be a

1888
02:13:24,425 --> 02:13:27,825
citizen's not comfortable with, or they might have a different

1889
02:13:27,825 --> 02:13:32,779
opinion that could change your mind. Does us zero good

1890
02:13:32,779 --> 02:13:36,139
and has zero impact. If you've already voted on the

1891
02:13:36,139 --> 02:13:39,854
item, So I would really think you could consider changing.

1892
02:13:41,618 --> 02:13:44,858
This whole stick them at the back of the bus

1893
02:13:44,858 --> 02:13:47,938
because this is not what citizens input was. Designed for.

1894
02:13:49,140 --> 02:13:53,056
It was designed for citizens to voice their opinion. In

1895
02:13:53,056 --> 02:13:56,256
hopes that you, when you're making the decisions for the

1896
02:13:56,256 --> 02:13:59,696
citizens that you said back. To your job when you

1897
02:13:59,696 --> 02:14:02,678
asked us to vote for you. That you can actually

1898
02:14:02,678 --> 02:14:05,958
do that. There's no sense in hanging around and everybody

1899
02:14:05,958 --> 02:14:07,958
makes fun. We leave. By the way, there's a tv

1900
02:14:07,958 --> 02:14:11,118
out there, and you can actually answer the questions whether

1901
02:14:11,118 --> 02:14:13,318
we're here or not. I have it on my phone

1902
02:14:13,318 --> 02:14:17,078
when I'm driving here. I listen to these meetings, so

1903
02:14:17,078 --> 02:14:19,838
there's no reason to say, oh, look, they're just troublemakers.

1904
02:14:19,838 --> 02:14:23,170
They're asking questions and leaving. We can. Hear your answers.

1905
02:14:23,170 --> 02:14:25,650
We can watch them today, tomorrow, or a year from

1906
02:14:25,650 --> 02:14:28,290
now. So it's a good thing if you would answer

1907
02:14:28,290 --> 02:14:32,210
the questions that citizens input. But more importantly, know what

1908
02:14:32,210 --> 02:14:37,467
citizens input in this country of America. Was designed for,

1909
02:14:37,467 --> 02:14:39,227
and that was for us to give you an input.

1910
02:14:40,711 --> 02:14:43,791
My second thing is personal. I would like, and I'm

1911
02:14:43,791 --> 02:14:48,677
asking a public records request now. For the video or

1912
02:14:48,677 --> 02:14:52,157
voice recording of me that I was told by the

1913
02:14:52,157 --> 02:14:55,197
clerk of the courts the city manager has, and I

1914
02:14:55,197 --> 02:14:58,197
wanted him to say he has it. That says I

1915
02:14:58,197 --> 02:15:03,877
was impersonating. A city worker. I want the recording handed

1916
02:15:03,877 --> 02:15:07,932
to meet. I know it doesn't. Exist, but. I would

1917
02:15:07,932 --> 02:15:10,612
like him to publicly say it doesn't exist and at

1918
02:15:10,612 --> 02:15:15,652
least apologize, because that was a non truth. I never

1919
02:15:15,652 --> 02:15:23,010
told anyone I was a city worker. Thank you. Thomas

1920
02:15:23,010 --> 02:15:29,838
fornier and andrea roberto. Good evening, everybody.

1921
02:15:34,963 --> 02:15:37,003
My name is Thomas Bornier. I live in Northwest Cape

1922
02:15:37,003 --> 02:15:41,641
Coral. Mr. Mayor, council members. I'm here. I was here

1923
02:15:41,641 --> 02:15:45,607
last year. About traffic signals in the north end of

1924
02:15:45,607 --> 02:15:49,900
Cape Coral. It's very busy. We all know that there's

1925
02:15:49,900 --> 02:15:53,704
a lot of growth up there. On the Gold magazine

1926
02:15:53,704 --> 02:15:58,064
in 2025 stated that there was two intersections that should

1927
02:15:58,064 --> 02:16:04,284
be done. And the one intersection is Chikita and ambers.

1928
02:16:06,432 --> 02:16:09,752
There's a very busy intersection, and the other one was

1929
02:16:09,752 --> 02:16:13,472
at Santa Barbara in Tropicana. Those were both in the

1930
02:16:13,472 --> 02:16:17,152
on the Go magazine in 2025 saying that they were

1931
02:16:17,152 --> 02:16:20,604
going to be done. In the not too distant future.

1932
02:16:21,853 --> 02:16:24,133
Matter of fact, Santa Barbara and Tropicana was supposed to

1933
02:16:24,133 --> 02:16:26,533
be done sometime this year. Between August and the end

1934
02:16:26,533 --> 02:16:34,104
of this year. I've been in communication with. Our public

1935
02:16:34,104 --> 02:16:37,784
works director, Mr. Matt Williams. He's been very gracious at

1936
02:16:37,784 --> 02:16:41,695
emailing me. Off and on through the year about. My

1937
02:16:41,695 --> 02:16:43,775
concern about traffic signals in the north end. I live

1938
02:16:43,775 --> 02:16:47,643
in the north end. You come up to these intersections,

1939
02:16:47,643 --> 02:16:50,523
not necessarily at 05:00 anymore. You can be there on

1940
02:16:50,523 --> 02:16:54,666
noon on Sunday and. The traffic coming up to these

1941
02:16:54,666 --> 02:16:59,306
intersections is just busy, busy, busy. And when I spoke

1942
02:16:59,306 --> 02:17:02,546
to him, recently? Within the last couple of months, actually,

1943
02:17:02,546 --> 02:17:05,066
through emails. I've never spoken to him personally. He's been

1944
02:17:05,066 --> 02:17:08,760
very good at communicating with me through email. He said

1945
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:14,793
that? The traffic design, and we're going to add curves

1946
02:17:14,793 --> 02:17:16,993
and so on, whatever it takes to do the traffic

1947
02:17:16,993 --> 02:17:22,141
signals at these intersections. We're just about done. And I

1948
02:17:22,141 --> 02:17:26,301
think the biggest concern for me was the financing for

1949
02:17:26,301 --> 02:17:29,261
the upcoming year to get this done. Because at four

1950
02:17:29,261 --> 02:17:34,461
or 05:00 or even. And I'm especially concerned about. Embers

1951
02:17:34,461 --> 02:17:38,141
and Jaquita, the traffic backs up halfway back, like two,

1952
02:17:38,141 --> 02:17:41,979
three blocks. And the school bus is going down. The

1953
02:17:41,979 --> 02:17:44,499
mariner high school and the mariner mender. Schools down there.

1954
02:17:45,773 --> 02:17:48,413
So all I'm asking is if these designs are done,

1955
02:17:48,413 --> 02:17:50,493
and I'm pretty close. That he said they are. They're

1956
02:17:50,493 --> 02:17:53,773
waiting for LCEC or a couple of other minute. Things.

1957
02:17:55,663 --> 02:17:58,663
Please finance it for this coming year. Get it done.

1958
02:17:59,937 --> 02:18:02,714
There's. Apartments off of Chikita that are being built and

1959
02:18:02,714 --> 02:18:07,071
the volume of traffic. We're playing Dodge cars up there,

1960
02:18:07,071 --> 02:18:10,431
so all I'm asking is please finance these. Two intersections,

1961
02:18:10,431 --> 02:18:15,631
Amber's and Jiquita. And make sure you get done. With

1962
02:18:15,631 --> 02:18:19,111
Santa Barbara and Tropicana. That's all. I'm asking for it's.

1963
02:18:19,111 --> 02:18:21,391
Almost simple. We really need this done. There's growth up

1964
02:18:21,391 --> 02:18:23,071
there. There's a lot of tax dollars, I would think

1965
02:18:23,071 --> 02:18:24,911
was coming in from the North Cape with all this.

1966
02:18:24,911 --> 02:18:29,391
New building. I know we're talking infrastructure here tonight, so

1967
02:18:29,391 --> 02:18:32,431
please finance it for this upcoming. Year. Thank you so

1968
02:18:32,431 --> 02:18:41,320
much. I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. Hi. I'm

1969
02:18:41,320 --> 02:18:45,273
andrew roberto. I live in southwest cape coral. I need

1970
02:18:45,273 --> 02:18:47,433
some information and clarification as to how you guys run

1971
02:18:47,433 --> 02:18:51,713
your permit in residential. Areas. I had a huge project

1972
02:18:51,713 --> 02:18:53,473
being done at my house when it came towards the

1973
02:18:53,473 --> 02:18:56,353
end of the project, and I needed to get a

1974
02:18:56,353 --> 02:18:59,313
fence put up from my pool. It's not. A redo.

1975
02:18:59,313 --> 02:19:03,502
It's brand new construction. I'm waiting eight weeks and I'm

1976
02:19:03,502 --> 02:19:06,702
told nobody's given me any answers. As to when my

1977
02:19:06,702 --> 02:19:08,702
permit will be passed and I have a 20 x

1978
02:19:08,702 --> 02:19:11,902
40 foot hole in my backyard where it is very

1979
02:19:11,902 --> 02:19:14,885
dangerous. I live in a residential area. With dogs and

1980
02:19:14,885 --> 02:19:19,789
children. Eight weeks. For a fence permit is inexcusable and

1981
02:19:19,789 --> 02:19:23,389
unacceptable for the amount of tax dollars that are going

1982
02:19:23,389 --> 02:19:27,906
into what we pay for permitting at this point. It's

1983
02:19:27,906 --> 02:19:31,026
inexcusable. I called Fort Myers and I was told for

1984
02:19:31,026 --> 02:19:33,306
a fence. Permit or anything. It shouldn't take more than

1985
02:19:33,306 --> 02:19:38,253
two weeks. I wrote Mayor Gunther a letter. I emailed

1986
02:19:38,253 --> 02:19:41,053
you a letter, sir, and they passed it on to

1987
02:19:41,053 --> 02:19:44,733
the powers that be in. The department. I call almost

1988
02:19:44,733 --> 02:19:46,973
every couple of days and are told, well, you're not

1989
02:19:46,973 --> 02:19:48,293
in. The queue. You're not in the queue. You're not

1990
02:19:48,293 --> 02:19:49,773
in the queue. I'm. Like, at what point am I

1991
02:19:49,773 --> 02:19:51,533
going to be in the queue? Because I've been in

1992
02:19:51,533 --> 02:19:55,834
the queue since July 10. It is now. September 3,

1993
02:19:55,834 --> 02:19:58,674
sir, and I don't have a permit with a huge

1994
02:19:58,674 --> 02:20:02,606
hole in my backyard. Huge hole. You see? How could

1995
02:20:02,606 --> 02:20:06,566
you imagine? Your child, your dog, my grandson, my daughter

1996
02:20:06,566 --> 02:20:10,006
falling in. That hole, how would you feel? And I

1997
02:20:10,006 --> 02:20:12,926
call in every day. I'm told we don't. Have an

1998
02:20:12,926 --> 02:20:16,486
answer for you, ma'am. That's inexcusable. I. Would like an

1999
02:20:16,486 --> 02:20:18,966
answer as to why it takes the city of Cape

2000
02:20:18,966 --> 02:20:23,652
Coral more than two. Weeks, tops. For a fenced permit.

2001
02:20:23,652 --> 02:20:27,692
Sir, it's a fenced permit. I did a whole $250,000

2002
02:20:27,692 --> 02:20:30,492
project at my house and didn't have this problem till

2003
02:20:30,492 --> 02:20:34,808
it came for defense from my pool. And it was

2004
02:20:34,808 --> 02:20:38,008
done correctly. They kicked it back, saying, this wasn't here,

2005
02:20:38,008 --> 02:20:40,368
this wasn't. There. My builder has been doing this for

2006
02:20:40,368 --> 02:20:44,248
30 years. I think he knows what size fence and

2007
02:20:44,248 --> 02:20:46,968
where to put it. And it was on the paper

2008
02:20:46,968 --> 02:20:49,568
originally. It just wasn't up. Here. It was down here

2009
02:20:49,568 --> 02:20:52,248
and they wanted to hear. So now I'm told. Well,

2010
02:20:52,248 --> 02:20:54,320
it got kicked back, so we don't really. Know when

2011
02:20:54,320 --> 02:20:57,522
you're going to get your permit. I would really like

2012
02:20:57,522 --> 02:20:59,122
this looked into and taking care of as soon as

2013
02:20:59,122 --> 02:21:01,202
possible, because this is out of control. And I'm not

2014
02:21:01,202 --> 02:21:05,087
the only one. They're multimillion dollar projects. They're sitting there

2015
02:21:05,087 --> 02:21:08,487
that have not been paid. Attention to, and everybody's jobs

2016
02:21:08,487 --> 02:21:12,607
are getting held back because of this negligence. It's unacceptable,

2017
02:21:12,607 --> 02:21:20,235
sir. No clapping, please. Rosemarie birch.

2018
02:21:22,107 --> 02:21:27,472
Rosemary, are you here? That's the last comment card I

2019
02:21:27,472 --> 02:21:33,708
have, sir. Okay. Citizens input is now closed. I'll open

2020
02:21:33,708 --> 02:21:39,492
it up for some council discussion. The gentleman. That spoke

2021
02:21:39,492 --> 02:21:46,091
about the traffic. Lights. Honestly, I got an email today.

2022
02:21:47,436 --> 02:21:52,048
On that where another citizen was inquiring. And this email

2023
02:21:52,048 --> 02:21:55,408
was from Mr. Williams. I got this at 1020 this

2024
02:21:55,408 --> 02:22:01,714
morning. And. It says, for FY 26, the city plans

2025
02:22:01,714 --> 02:22:06,794
to install two additional traffic signal one at Tropicana Parkway

2026
02:22:06,794 --> 02:22:12,154
and Santa Barbara Boulevard, another at Embers and Chiquita Boulevard.

2027
02:22:12,154 --> 02:22:16,594
So those two particular projects are in FY 26 budget

2028
02:22:16,594 --> 02:22:23,718
to be completed also. An Fy 26. The. Design. Shall

2029
02:22:23,718 --> 02:22:30,469
begin. For intersection. Of Tropicana Parkway and Jiquita Boulevard. So

2030
02:22:30,469 --> 02:22:32,789
I got that today. I just. Wanted to pass that

2031
02:22:32,789 --> 02:22:39,672
information on to you. The resident had the issue. With

2032
02:22:39,672 --> 02:22:43,614
the permit. Maybe. I know you filled out some of

2033
02:22:43,614 --> 02:22:47,667
your information. On the card. Yes, ma'am. We'll make sure

2034
02:22:47,667 --> 02:22:50,587
we have your information and someone can follow up. With

2035
02:22:50,587 --> 02:22:55,467
you from our community development department, who handles the permits.

2036
02:22:57,014 --> 02:22:58,814
So make sure it's all every day. They're not going

2037
02:22:58,814 --> 02:23:00,734
to give me an answer, sir. They're telling me I

2038
02:23:00,734 --> 02:23:03,814
just work here. Yeah, well, someone will call you tomorrow.

2039
02:23:03,814 --> 02:23:09,473
No. That's all I have on citizens input. Council member

2040
02:23:09,473 --> 02:23:15,338
Lehman? Yeah, the lady with permit issue. Yeah. Your last

2041
02:23:15,338 --> 02:23:20,853
name is Roberto? Yes, ma'am. Okay. You're in the southwest.

2042
02:23:20,853 --> 02:23:25,072
You're in my district. I'd like to meet with you

2043
02:23:25,072 --> 02:23:28,552
after this. Absolutely. And we'll work on it. Together we'll

2044
02:23:28,552 --> 02:23:34,548
get some answers for you. Thank you, council member Caduce.

2045
02:23:34,548 --> 02:23:40,691
Thank you. Regarding. Our public records request. I did send

2046
02:23:40,691 --> 02:23:44,291
this to the city manager, city attorney this afternoon, I

2047
02:23:44,291 --> 02:23:47,331
believe. There was two questions that were in this gentleman's

2048
02:23:47,331 --> 02:23:51,091
email that said, why was the same document reissued in

2049
02:23:51,091 --> 02:23:55,100
response to a different request. When they requested. Time frames

2050
02:23:55,100 --> 02:23:58,380
differ. And then also, why was he charged for a

2051
02:23:58,380 --> 02:24:03,539
duplicate document? Do we know why that is. Mr. City

2052
02:24:03,539 --> 02:24:12,156
manager. I don't have any answers for that resident. And

2053
02:24:12,156 --> 02:24:16,397
I will restate. I am not required by law to

2054
02:24:16,397 --> 02:24:22,096
produce answers. About public records request. Thank you. Thank you.

2055
02:24:24,009 --> 02:24:27,969
So, Ms. Atari, I know you spoke about Citizen's input

2056
02:24:27,969 --> 02:24:31,881
prior to the vote, however. The agendas are posted at

2057
02:24:31,881 --> 02:24:33,601
the same time to the public as they are to

2058
02:24:33,601 --> 02:24:35,881
us, so. We all have the exact same time to

2059
02:24:35,881 --> 02:24:39,361
review anything, and I still stand by this. We're? At

2060
02:24:39,361 --> 02:24:42,841
625. It gives you guys. You even stated that you're

2061
02:24:42,841 --> 02:24:44,521
watching it on the way here. It gives anyone the

2062
02:24:44,521 --> 02:24:47,681
opportunity to come after work. Should you work till 05:00?

2063
02:24:47,681 --> 02:24:49,481
So we're going to give this a try still and

2064
02:24:49,481 --> 02:24:53,567
not just keep moving it around. Regarding our city manager,

2065
02:24:53,567 --> 02:24:55,967
stating on the record, impersonating as an employee, we should

2066
02:24:55,967 --> 02:24:58,007
be able to. You can go back and watch YouTube

2067
02:24:58,007 --> 02:25:00,794
and take the clip if you want. I mean, if.

2068
02:25:00,794 --> 02:25:02,354
If that's the case, if you think he said that.

2069
02:25:04,265 --> 02:25:06,305
I know that our mayor already spoke about the traffic

2070
02:25:06,305 --> 02:25:09,505
signals in the north and then regarding the fence permit.

2071
02:25:09,505 --> 02:25:11,745
Yes, I know. Accounts member Lehman did say that she'll

2072
02:25:11,745 --> 02:25:13,265
get with you, so. We can make sure that we

2073
02:25:13,265 --> 02:25:16,740
take care of that. Thank you. Council member Lasser. Thank

2074
02:25:16,740 --> 02:25:19,666
you, mayor. Yes. I'm not going to be the dead

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02:25:19,666 --> 02:25:23,346
horse. Thank you, council member Kaduk, for talking. About citizens

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02:25:23,346 --> 02:25:29,409
input. She's right. And it's 625 and. I'm hopeful that

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02:25:29,409 --> 02:25:31,169
in a few months, when we look at our numbers,

2078
02:25:31,169 --> 02:25:36,623
we'll. See. That we're either the same. Or slightly increased.

2079
02:25:38,226 --> 02:25:41,936
If we compare month over month, This isn't an open

2080
02:25:41,936 --> 02:25:45,776
discussion. She can have an offline discussion. Yeah, you're welcome

2081
02:25:45,776 --> 02:25:48,376
to email me or call me, no problem. And we

2082
02:25:48,376 --> 02:25:53,532
can talk that through. And Miss Andrea, I'm so sorry

2083
02:25:53,532 --> 02:25:56,412
about your permit. That is probably the number one complaint.

2084
02:25:56,412 --> 02:26:01,533
I get from residents weekly? We can do better. We

2085
02:26:01,533 --> 02:26:05,733
are doing better. We've got continuous improvement, efficiency studies that

2086
02:26:05,733 --> 02:26:08,053
are happening in that department. That have already happened in

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02:26:08,053 --> 02:26:11,573
that department. So I'm sorry, and I'm grateful. Council member

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02:26:11,573 --> 02:26:14,573
Lehman will work with you. Thank you. Thank you, mayor.

2089
02:26:14,573 --> 02:26:17,933
Mr. City manager. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Well, yeah, I

2090
02:26:17,933 --> 02:26:22,624
would like to clarify some stuff. So. I have never

2091
02:26:22,624 --> 02:26:25,944
said that I have a video recording or a voice

2092
02:26:25,944 --> 02:26:32,897
recording. Of someone impersonating an employee. I had the contractor

2093
02:26:32,897 --> 02:26:38,831
call me directly and tell me she did. And has

2094
02:26:38,831 --> 02:26:43,053
a screenshot. Of the time that she. Called, man. Keep

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02:26:43,053 --> 02:26:47,755
your comments to yourself, please. Comment? Keep your comments to

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02:26:47,755 --> 02:26:53,065
yourself or I'm going to ask you to leave. Okay.

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02:26:55,540 --> 02:26:58,340
Now I'm going to go a step further because I

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02:26:58,340 --> 02:27:01,580
wanted to make sure that that contractor also told somebody

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02:27:01,580 --> 02:27:06,596
on the city council, and they did. In addition to

2100
02:27:06,596 --> 02:27:13,685
that, They're utilizing Opengov. To look at all of our

2101
02:27:13,685 --> 02:27:15,805
payments, which we do. We set it out there and

2102
02:27:15,805 --> 02:27:18,285
we make. All this information available because we want to

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02:27:18,285 --> 02:27:23,301
be open and transparent. They are writing emails to our

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02:27:23,301 --> 02:27:29,560
contractors. And asking them questions about payments that they're getting

2105
02:27:29,560 --> 02:27:35,817
from us. I have copies of it. So the things

2106
02:27:35,817 --> 02:27:39,937
we're doing to be open and transparent are now causing

2107
02:27:39,937 --> 02:27:45,633
time delays. And informational requests. Our contractors don't know whether

2108
02:27:45,633 --> 02:27:47,993
or not they have to provide the right. They have

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02:27:47,993 --> 02:27:50,633
to contact someone from city staff. We have to say,

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02:27:50,633 --> 02:27:53,193
yeah, if you have a record, and they're requesting a

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02:27:53,193 --> 02:27:56,273
record. You have to make it available. But they're. Asking

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02:27:56,273 --> 02:28:00,513
for informational requests. What was the extra money paid for?

2113
02:28:00,513 --> 02:28:04,706
What was it extra money? There were multiple things paid

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02:28:04,706 --> 02:28:09,439
on an invoice. So a lack of understanding of our

2115
02:28:09,439 --> 02:28:15,098
process. Is now translating into some nefarious activity. The same

2116
02:28:15,098 --> 02:28:19,258
thing happened last week. They put a records request in

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02:28:19,258 --> 02:28:23,520
for what happened to city council. Furniture. And they got

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02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:28,520
a records request out of the one department that documented

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02:28:28,520 --> 02:28:32,960
their piece of the process. Which is facilities. They have

2120
02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:37,284
to document what they do, when they do it. So

2121
02:28:37,284 --> 02:28:42,952
facilities actually did dispose of the unusable disposable equipment. But

2122
02:28:42,952 --> 02:28:45,992
what they don't know and what they don't have information

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02:28:45,992 --> 02:28:49,032
on are all of the other employees who came and

2124
02:28:49,032 --> 02:28:51,792
got the furniture that was in the lobby for over

2125
02:28:51,792 --> 02:28:54,890
a week. But then it gets put out there that

2126
02:28:54,890 --> 02:28:58,650
you all are mismanaging funds and you are. Being reckless

2127
02:28:58,650 --> 02:29:06,950
with taxpayers funds. It's ridiculous. It's nothing but damaging our

2128
02:29:06,950 --> 02:29:10,550
image and the hard work of our employees who do

2129
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:17,412
roll. Down equipment and roll down furniture. But because. They

2130
02:29:17,412 --> 02:29:21,354
don't have a record to prove that. The whole system

2131
02:29:21,354 --> 02:29:26,724
is corrupt. And that's what we're up against. So no.

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02:29:29,035 --> 02:29:30,595
When I'm going to tell. Take my video. You write

2133
02:29:30,595 --> 02:29:33,035
me an email. I'm not responding to you. I do

2134
02:29:33,035 --> 02:29:38,226
not have to answer to your informational request. And I

2135
02:29:38,226 --> 02:29:44,627
won't thank you. Okay, we'll move on to item eleven.

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02:29:44,627 --> 02:29:53,395
Is reports. Council member Lehman report. Yes.

2137
02:29:54,589 --> 02:30:00,187
On August 27, Wednesday I went to the incredible. Bank.

2138
02:30:00,187 --> 02:30:04,726
Groundbreaking. Up on Pine Island Road. That should be a

2139
02:30:04,726 --> 02:30:09,517
very nice situation. They are saying that they're going to

2140
02:30:09,517 --> 02:30:14,316
have it built by April of next year. Also attended

2141
02:30:14,316 --> 02:30:19,299
the audit committee meeting because. I am a voting member

2142
02:30:19,299 --> 02:30:24,102
on the audit committee. I represent the council. On Thursday,

2143
02:30:24,102 --> 02:30:30,137
I went to the Cape Christian leaders luncheon. And then

2144
02:30:30,137 --> 02:30:35,091
I met with a resident. Regarding the moving of a

2145
02:30:35,091 --> 02:30:39,679
lift station. And I met with them. I actually met

2146
02:30:39,679 --> 02:30:44,158
with him again this morning. And have sent some questions

2147
02:30:44,158 --> 02:30:51,427
out to utilities to get some clarifications with pictures. On

2148
02:30:51,427 --> 02:30:56,311
Monday. The 1 September I went to the field of

2149
02:30:56,311 --> 02:31:03,316
flags. The placement of flags of Bernice Braden Park. I

2150
02:31:03,316 --> 02:31:07,909
was really surprised. It was a great turnout. A lot

2151
02:31:07,909 --> 02:31:11,629
of people came out to put the flags out. It

2152
02:31:11,629 --> 02:31:15,309
really was nice to see and the flags are all

2153
02:31:15,309 --> 02:31:20,334
out there. It was really a nice event. Thank you.

2154
02:31:21,810 --> 02:31:25,863
Thank you. Council member long report. No report. Council member

2155
02:31:25,863 --> 02:31:30,303
stanky. No report. Council member download has gone. Council member

2156
02:31:30,303 --> 02:31:35,503
Kaduk. No. Report. Council member Kilraign September 1 attended the

2157
02:31:35,503 --> 02:31:41,219
flag planning. That council member Lehman had mentioned on 20

2158
02:31:41,219 --> 02:31:47,239
eigth when Cape Christian leadership program. And on the 29th,

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02:31:47,239 --> 02:31:51,396
I had the opportunity to speak on daybreak radio. And.

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02:31:52,376 --> 02:31:53,936
I was surprised at the interest in the yacht club.

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02:31:55,893 --> 02:31:59,916
Extreme interest. In what the schedule is on that. So

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02:31:59,916 --> 02:32:02,196
to the extent that we can. I know it's. Published

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02:32:02,196 --> 02:32:07,218
on website, but I communicated that. And we'll continue to

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02:32:07,218 --> 02:32:10,378
communicate that. That's it. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council.

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02:32:10,378 --> 02:32:14,764
Member lasser. Thank you, mayor. Just two quick things. Saturday,

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02:32:14,764 --> 02:32:17,524
September 13 I'll be having a town hall at the

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02:32:17,524 --> 02:32:23,054
Northwest library. I'm excited to be in that area and

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02:32:23,054 --> 02:32:26,334
hopefully get some residents from around there all are welcome.

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02:32:28,603 --> 02:32:30,803
And just want to remind everybody, Thursday we have our

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02:32:30,803 --> 02:32:33,363
meet and greet at Nice Guys Pizza for the Youth

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02:32:33,363 --> 02:32:38,163
Council. I encourage anyone available to come attend and learn

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02:32:38,163 --> 02:32:40,603
and of course donate for their DC trip. Thank you,

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02:32:40,603 --> 02:32:45,558
mayor. Thank you. Only thing I have. We have an

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02:32:45,558 --> 02:32:50,004
upcoming yearly evaluation that needs to be completed. For city

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02:32:50,004 --> 02:32:56,555
manager. His anniversary date is September 30. I've kind of

2176
02:32:56,555 --> 02:33:00,635
suggest, going to suggest the same process that we just

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02:33:00,635 --> 02:33:09,284
basically did. For the city attorney. Where tomorrow. Council.

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02:33:10,687 --> 02:33:15,784
Will be receiving evaluation forms for the city manager. And

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02:33:15,784 --> 02:33:20,641
they must be in by the end of. Close of

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02:33:20,641 --> 02:33:26,360
business day. On the twelveth, which is Friday, which is

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02:33:26,360 --> 02:33:32,805
next Friday. And staff. Will calculate the overall averages from

2182
02:33:32,805 --> 02:33:38,442
all eight evaluations and put them together. And then I

2183
02:33:38,442 --> 02:33:41,802
would ask that we have a special meeting on the

2184
02:33:41,802 --> 02:33:47,003
17th. We have a regular meeting at 04:00 p.m. so

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02:33:47,003 --> 02:33:49,363
I would ask that very similar to the city attorney.

2186
02:33:49,363 --> 02:33:53,822
We have a special meeting in room 220. At 02:00

2187
02:33:53,822 --> 02:34:01,522
p.m. To discuss. The city manager's evaluation. So that's what

2188
02:34:01,522 --> 02:34:05,402
I'm looking for again. Valuation forms go out tomorrow, the

2189
02:34:05,402 --> 02:34:07,962
fourth. They're due by the end of close of business

2190
02:34:07,962 --> 02:34:11,762
on Friday the 12th. On Monday the 15th staff will

2191
02:34:11,762 --> 02:34:16,325
calculate the overall averages and put them together. And make

2192
02:34:16,325 --> 02:34:18,965
sure they get those back to council, and we'll have

2193
02:34:18,965 --> 02:34:22,936
a tentative special meeting. Date for? The 17th at 02:00

2194
02:34:22,936 --> 02:34:27,883
p.m. So we'll need a motion if everyone agrees to

2195
02:34:27,883 --> 02:34:31,821
that timeline. As far as. The special meeting on the

2196
02:34:31,821 --> 02:34:39,338
17th. All right. Any discussion on that matter. Is everybody

2197
02:34:39,338 --> 02:34:44,257
okay with those dates and timelines? Seeing new discussion. Madam

2198
02:34:44,257 --> 02:34:48,544
City clerk. Could you call the role, please? Laster aye.

2199
02:34:48,544 --> 02:34:54,191
Lehman. Long, aye. Steinki, aye. Center, aye. Aye. Hil, rain,

2200
02:34:54,191 --> 02:34:59,111
aye. Seven eyes. Motion carried, Mr. City. Attorney report. Just

2201
02:34:59,111 --> 02:35:03,391
briefly, in reference to the discussions with the Kearns group,

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02:35:03,391 --> 02:35:07,551
we are still continuing those discussions and cautiously optimistic that

2203
02:35:07,551 --> 02:35:12,004
there will be, in fact, a final. Finalized agreement by

2204
02:35:12,004 --> 02:35:17,156
the deadline of the 6th. Thank you. Mr. City manager.

2205
02:35:17,156 --> 02:35:19,436
No report. Thank you. All right, Tom, in place of

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02:35:19,436 --> 02:35:22,636
a future meeting, we have a committee. I'm sorry. A

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02:35:22,636 --> 02:35:29,471
community redevelopment agency meeting is scheduled for Wednesday. September 10

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02:35:29,471 --> 02:35:34,631
at 2025, here in council chambers beginning at 09:00 a.m.

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02:35:34,631 --> 02:35:37,431
and we have a committee of the holed for Wednesday,

2210
02:35:37,431 --> 02:35:42,351
September 25, here in council chambers directly. After the committee.

2211
02:35:43,576 --> 02:35:47,250
The community redevelopment agency meeting. I'll entertain a motion to

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02:35:47,250 --> 02:35:47,490
adjourn.