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you for all your many blessings. We thank you for

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this beautiful country. We live in and this beautiful city

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that you've stowed upon us. We ask at you, just

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continue to just shine on us, Lord. Please protect us.

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Please protect our family, our children. And we ask for

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grace. Bass for your forgiveness, and we ask that we

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would just live by simple tenant to speak and treat

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others as we would treat those that we most love.

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Thank you for this day. And we thank you for

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all you many blessings. And this, we give you the

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praise, all God's children said, amen. Please join pledge. A

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pleasure, Legion to the flag of the United States of

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America. And so the public fold which stands one nation

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under God. Individual, justice for all. I can't really, I

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have my last. Adam said he clerked. He's called the

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rope. Mayor Gunter. Here. Council members done now. Here. Kaduk?

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Here. Hill rain. All right. Here. Lastra? Aye. I mean,

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here. Lehman. See what you started. Lehman. Long. Here. Stein

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key? Here. All present. Okay, just a reminder, any residents

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who wish to participate in citizen's input. There is a

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card box up front. Please fill out the citizen's input

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card in the city clerk call here shortly. Item five

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is agenda. I will open up for any changes to

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the agenda or entertain a motion to adopt a agenda

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is presented. Most you to adopt it. The agenda is

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presented. Second. Any council discussion. Seeing none, Madam City clerk,

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please call the role. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. Steinky?

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Aye. Donnelle? Gunter. Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kill rain. Aye. Eight

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ice motion carried. Okay. Item six is recognitions and achievement.

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6a is presentation for city employees for years of service.

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I'll make my way down to the front when your

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name's called. If you would, please come forward. Lieutenant Alicio

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Fletcha. Fire department. 28 years of service.

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Today it's our privilege to recognize and celebrate this employee

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as he retires after many years of dedicated service to

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the city of Cape Coral. Throughout his career with the

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Cape Coral Fire Department, he's demonstrated dedication. Professionalism. Leadership in

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a strong commitment. To protect the and serving our community.

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A career in the fire service is a tremendous responsibility

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and sacrifice not only for you, but for your family

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as well. And we are grateful for the many years

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that you have devoted for the safety and wellbeing of

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our residents. And at this time, I would like to

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turn it over to Chief Russell to say a few

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words. Good afternoon, everyone. It's been an honor to serve

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alongside Lieutenant Fletcher, whose retirement marks the end of an

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incredible chapter in our department. Throughout his career, spanning roles

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and operations sometime in public education and firefighter training. He

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brought a larger - than - life personality in an

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unmatched passion for our mission to everything that he did.

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His positive attitude is contagious lifting up everyone around him

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and leaving a lasting mark on the culture of this

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department. Congratulations, Lieutenant Fletcher. When a well - deserved retirement,

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you will be deeply missed. But your impact on this

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department and the community of Cape Coral and the people

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you've trained and served will endure for years to come.

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Happy sailing.

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Come on. Papa.

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Okay, the next recognition for the Florida Urban Forestry Council

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2025 Outstanding Professional Award. I'll turn it over to the

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city manager. I think he's making his way up front.

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Okay. The city of Cape Coral is proud to recognize

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Omar Leone, the city arborists for receiving the Florida Urban

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Forestry Councils 2025, outstanding professional award. This is a statewide

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honor, which recognizes Omar's outstanding contributions, leadership, and professional commitment

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to urban forestry. As Cape Coral's first city arborist, Omar

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has played an instrumental role in strengthening and advancing the

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city's urban forestry program. Under his leadership, Cape Cole has

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earned recognition as both the Tree City USA and Tree

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City of the world. He has successfully guided the program

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through significant challenges, including rapid development. Severe weather events, funding

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constraints, and staffing changes. While remaining committed to the responsible

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management and preservation of the city's urban forest. Omar's professionalism,

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knowledge, and dedication have helped make Cape Corals urban forestry

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program and example for other cities and communities to follow.

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And the city is pleased to recognize Omar for this

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well - deserved achievement and thank him for his continued

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service to the city of Cape Coral. I'll turn it

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over to James. Congratulations on this well - deserved reward.

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As the city arborists, you do far more than care

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for trees. You help shape a healthier, greener, and more

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resilient future for our entire community. Your expertise in securing

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grant funding has turned vision and action, allowing the city

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to invest in projects that expand our tree canopy and

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bring lasting benefits to neighborhoods across the community. Thank you

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for your dedication, creativity, and commitment to public service. We

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are proud to recognize your outstanding work and the meaningful

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legacy you are growing varsity. Before the photo, I have

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a question. Since you've been here, because I can see

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them all over the place, how many trees have you

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personally been involved with planning throughout the city of Cape

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Coral. And the time that I've been here, we have

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planted around 10, 000 trees. Around the city, combination between

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nonprofits, volunteers, city staff. You know, just grand efforts, everybody

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working together, try to get the job done. And how

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long have you been with us? Four and a half

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years. It's amazing. Great job. Thank you.

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Take a tiny step this way for me. Perfect. Thank.

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You. Congratulations, Omar. Okay, item seven is last call for

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comment cards. Um, and item eight as citizen's input. Time.

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Just remember citizens are given opportunity to be heard concerning

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matter scheduling scheduled on the council agenda or any other

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pertinent city matters. In order to promote an orally system

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and hold public business meetings ensure the individuals are not

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embarrassed or arrest as a result of their exercise of

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free speech, city has established rules by resolution and improved

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by city council. The speakers require to maintain proper decorum

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at all times. Only the person recognized by the mayor

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shall be addressed in the city council. We're making any

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audible remarks during the business portion of the meeting on

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authorized and remarks, stomp, and a feet whistling or simpler

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demonstration shall not be permitted during the business meeting. No

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person is permitted to interrupt the council proceedings or any

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comments of any person recognized by the mayor in any

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manner. No person is permitted to behave in a disorderly

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manner by shouting, yelling, whistling, chanting, singing, dancing, clapping, foot

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stomping, curing, jeering or engaging any other disruptive display during

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the council meeting. No person is permitted to refuse to

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follow the instructions that are outlined in the resolution and

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adopted by city council. And also we must make sure

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that we address the council as a whole, not as

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an individual person. Um, any person who engages in any

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behavior that is prohibited within the resolution and his boisters

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or disruptive in any manner, uh, during the city council

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meeting, they could be asked to leave or be escorted

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from the council chambers. With that, Madam City clerk, could

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you call your first person. Lou Navarro.

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Good afternoon. Mayor Council, Louis Navarra ancient Cape Corps resident.

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Uh, I know the grandstanding here by the council since

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the mayor was defeated. Today's another great day for the

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ADA, the disabled can speak at the beginning of the

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meetings, but we need to have the final closure. I

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want to hear a motion made by the council to

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put the meetings back to 5 p. m. That's where

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they were. And working people can come. Now, you get

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what you give council member over there, changed all that,

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but she has since been defeated by laws. Why don't

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we have an amendment today, folks? And, uh, the councilwoman

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here's running for election. We did the rowing club. Why

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not the citizens. Restructure code enforcement. Mayor, we met. He

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said, you'd be back with me in a couple of

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days, but I guess she got busy cleaning out your

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office. You're supposed to laugh. It's a joke, man. Take

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it seriously. But you never got back to me. I

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hope we can get code enforcement. Fixed up where Mr.

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Hoglin doesn't micromanage complaints of me and others. Uh, we

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went over that. There's no sense wasting any more time.

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But, uh, please look into that, like you promised me.

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Budget. I guess we got Tom Nashad Shadrach here. He's

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clearly got his work cut out for him. I spoke

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with former mayor fight taller. He told me the city

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had outsourced core logs country club. To trune. But we

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yet still pay three million. Well, the budget keeps going

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up for maintenance on that course. It's lost money. I

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hope when we look at the budgets. We stop this.

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You know, and, um, core logs is too hard to

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play as Tiger Woods. The duffers, you should have done

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the country club. And it was a good, uh, beginning

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for the cape. Um. Take out the trash committee. You

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know, I agree with them. We need to have three

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council members resigned. Mr. Donnell, you've been in their illegally.

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You're turned out. The other two members, you need to

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resign as well. I certainly agree. And, uh, make sure

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Lou, you remember you got to address this. Oh, okay.

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Well, you council members there. You need to listen to

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the taxis. And I'm supporting them. You're in there. You

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went beyond the charter and we know each other. Lastly,

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thank you, chief sizemore for suspending flock cameras. For now.

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Good deal, chief. No. Marie Kavanaugh and Jack Johnson.

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My name is Marie Kavanaugh. I'm vice chair of take

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out the trash committee of Cape Coral. Today I want

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to talk a little bit about Bimini East, um, that

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whole presentation we had. A couple of weeks back was

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an eye opener. One of the items I would like

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an answer to today. Well, actually, the two questions I

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would like to answer today one of them is, um,

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I'm not that familiar with permits and whatnot. But the

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value, I would need to know if the value that

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is entered on permits. Is, I mean, like say you

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had somebody come out and quote, putting in windows. And

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they gave you a quote for 20, 000 dollars. Now.

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Is that what they have to put on there? The

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20, 000 dollars. So is the amount on my question

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is the amount on the permit, is that the amount

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that it actually costs to do that service or whatever.

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you're going to give four freedoms park to the developer.

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park and it can't be changing again. But I need

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to know, is that the full 3. 2 acres that

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currently constitutes for freedom's park. And then on the, when

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going through the presentation, uh, for, for Bimini East, you

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were allowing up to 200, 000 dollars for the eight

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remaining properties for demolition and hallway. So I said, that

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seemed a little excessive. So I went in, the permits

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I'm going to list here are all, um, full demo

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with tear out, including road surfaces every day. Okay. Demo

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2500 3048 29 tarpon court. Was to hold haule away

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an entire apartment building pool pool deck at the entire

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parking services costs 44, 440 dollars That's a far cry

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from 200, 000. Demo 250067 for 4823 Triton Court. 42,

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000, 36 dollars The biggest one I found was permit

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number or demo 25. And then there's 50s and a

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two. And a tear out and haul away of seven

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structures at 4830 Coronado, and that was completed in February

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of last year, 135, 835 dollars. Again, a far cry

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from the 200 grand that these people may get. I

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mean, it says up to. But we all know what

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happens with up to. It means that they go over.

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But that needs to be, but I would like answers

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to those questions. And I'm still waiting for a report

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on what's going on with JC Park. I've been asking

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for weeks now. Thank you.

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You want to. Microphone. Jack, you want to handheld. No,

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I'm good. I'm here today. To talk about the street

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in front of my house. I live at one five,

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two, one northwest 16 terrorists right behind. You state your

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name real quick, please. I'm sorry. My name is Jack

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Johnson. Thank you. Um, I live at one five. Two

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one northwest 16th terrorists. And a year ago, I sent

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this picture. I'm going to send it up to you

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guys. This is what my driveway looked like a year

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ago. This is what it looks like now. The street

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in front of my house is completely underwater. My driveway

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is undrivable. I can't even get in it. I built

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that big garage in 2021. And I never had a

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problem with the ground. Never had a problem with anything.

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The first five years I've lived in this house. The

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day they started digging for that. 7 - 11 on

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the corner of diplomat in Chiquita. My driveway started sinking.

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And the road in front of my house, you started

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sinking. Now. I'm a retired, disabled veteran. And I live

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on a fixed income. And the city has sent me

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a letter saying that I am responsible to repair this

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driveway. I'm going to let you guys look at these

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pictures. There's one from the day I called, they recall

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the city and told them about it. And there's one

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from the day before yesterday when it rained real hard.

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So my problem here is why has it taken 14

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months. To fix the road. And now 14 months later,

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I have a driveway that is unusable. I paid 17,

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000 dollars to have it repaired once. They came out

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twice. And that would be alpha foundations. Third time they

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came out, they said they won't do it again until

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the city fixes the street. And now I'm stuck. With

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another repair. And I like to know what the city's

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going to do to help me out. Pretty much that's

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all I got to say. Thank you, sir. Um, with

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somebody, please take these. Photos up there. She'll give them

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to the city clerk. We'll get them to us. Yeah.

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Let them see them. Please. Liza king and Kyle Lahamadou.

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Good afternoon, Mayor Council. My name is Lisa King. I

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have a few questions about the consent agenda specifically 108235

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and six. These items represent significant financial commitments. On agenda

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items tend to and three. They show a five -

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year contract with Florida blue at the state annual value

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of approximately 1. 7 million. I'd like to know if

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the side - by - side comparison compared along with

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Etna and Signa. If it would be helpful to understand

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if these comparisons look at things such as the cost

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coverage to employees and the overall value. The second question

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that I have as it relates to this is whether

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the city is locked in for five years and protected

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against unexpected costs increases. On agenda item 10A5, it authorizes

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2. 31 million for a perimeter role. Around the north

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RO facility. My question is, is this being proposed primarily

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for security purposes? And if so, were other alternatives considered.

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Such as enhanced fencing, surveillance technology. I'd just like to

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ensure that we are moving forward in the most efficient

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and effective solution. On agenda item 10A9. It authorizes 500,

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000 for emergency roadway repair. I am familiar and have

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met with these homeowners that just previously spoke. My question

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here is whether the underlying issues have been identified and

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will be included in this repair. Anything that can be

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done to expedite this repair and help this family would

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be greatly appreciated. As gentlemen said, he is a hundred

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percent disabled vet's vehicle to leave his home is truly

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causing a great deal of impact to their family. I

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thank you for your time and for your service. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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Kyle, I'll do take out the trash. Um, well, since

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the, uh, city manager fundraised so well for the flag,

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maybe he can actually help these folks fundraise a little

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bit and actually get them some services out there, um,

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home donated to fix all the destruction that happened, you

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know, seems to have happened at that property. Okay. Um,

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the Cape Coral City Attorney told council that Mary Ann

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Lucas is in Lee County. The city's on paperwork lists

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5, 8 shirt court Sanibel as her business address while

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listing 3610 Durango Street coral Gables as her mailing address.

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The coral gables property purchased March 15, 2012 for 789,

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000 dollars The soundable property purchased September 25th, 2015 for

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550, 000 dollars The Santa Belt property was heavily damaged

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during hurricane Ian and has been undergoing renovations. As of

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September 1st, the Ian emergency permit is only 66 percent

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complete The sound of L property has never had a

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homestead exemption. The coral gables property is received a homestead

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exemption for multiple years. Is there possibly homestead exemption fraud

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going on is that if she's living over here? So

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if coral gables is her primary residence, why was counsel

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told that she lives locally? If she's currently living in

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the hurricane damaged Sanibel property while reconstruction remains incomplete, what

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documentation establishes that the home is legally approved for occupancy.

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These are legitimate questions created by conflicting public records and

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the city attorney's own statement on the record to council.

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I guess that's why they say those who can practice

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law, those who can't become city attorneys. Now I'm going

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to quickly talk about flock in the red speed cameras.

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So in again, I'm an idiot, but in reviewing the

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agreement, it seems that there is no clear. Anything in

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writing that red speed, what their agreement is with the

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camera suppliers. So if they're getting free cameras and that

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does, there's nothing that states that flock or any of

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the other brands do not get to access any of

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our data. It talks about what red speed can do

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with our data. And I still think that's very loosely

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defined. Data sales in the world are estimated to beat

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300 billion dollar industry every year. We are putting trust

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in the city attorney to review contracts and do the

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right thing for the city, which should mean the citizens.

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As Dr. D1 said, there is no new counsel, there

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was only the council. So what is the council going

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to do about this? We know the governor intervened and

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we know the chief suspended operations, but that's not ending

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operations. So that's something that you guys have to figure

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out what you are going to do for the citizens.

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Thank you. Wes, Owen and Tom Shadrach.

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I don't. Think I talk about this. I counsel Wes

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Owen. I'm stood here and criticized the city budget and

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its presentations as amateurs, lazy, and even childish. But Councilman

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Long made a comment last week because me to rethink

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that. I was wrong. The presentations are not lazy. They

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are carefully constructed to manipulate and keep needed information from

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you. Councilman Long observed. The city is very willing to

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provide. Yeah. Make sure you address this as I'm not

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addressing him. I'm staying in common at any minute. Councilman

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Long observed that the city is very willing to provide

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comparisons when those comparisons support the city's position. But when

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they don't, they seem to disappear. His example, the fire

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budget. And the same thing seems to have happened with

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historical performance metric council needs to determine whether taxpayers getting

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value for their money. How much did we spend? How

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did that compare with prior years and how were you

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coming more efficient or simply more expensive? On Cape Coral

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Data Book, I published exactly these kinds of historical matrix.

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And the pushback has come from members of the fire

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department union. Not because the numbers are wrong, but because

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those metrics are not favorable to them. This is why

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council needs the metrics. Good performance data is not supposed

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to make everyone comfortable. It's supposed to tell you the

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truth. Cape girls on campus 20, 30 strategic plans as

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a city's will. Reinstate performance measurement and benchmarking practice to

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identify efficiencies and organizational improvement opportunities. It also says the

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lion organisational resources to performance expectations and outcomes. And page

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39 says that performance measures are monitored and reported by

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employees from across city departments. Where are those metrics. Are

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they being monitored. Our historical benchmarks maintained. And if they

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are, why aren't you seeing them here? Councilman Stanky also

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suggested that since had a problem in this budget, we

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should have spoken up earlier. No, that was your job,

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not ours. You were elected a scrutinized this budget and

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demand the comparisons benchmarks and performance metrics before it got

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this far. I am standing here before you because you

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failed to do that. And I'm trying to get you

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to do your job. Do not approve this budget until

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you have seen historical performance metrics. And spending for every

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department and every program. What did we spend? What did

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we accomplish? Are we getting better? Are we getting more

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efficient. Every department, every program. Do your jobs. Because every

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taxpayer matters. No falls. Please.

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Good afternoon. Tom Shadrach. I sent an email Monday to

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you guys just with a couple topics. I wanted to

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talk about on your agenda today. And, uh, kind of

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like Wes said, the first one was dealing with about

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our audit plan that you're going to approve. Uh, there's

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supposed to be a risk assessment, which I haven't reviewed.

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So I'm a little ignorant of that yet. Uh, but

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we have seven auditors. With pretty good resumes that all

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work for you guys up there. They don't work for

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the city manager. They work for the council. And this

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is a great opportunity now that we're in a crisis

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in some respects towards property tax reform that we could

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really focus that audit department on looking at cost reductions.

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I know there's charter is about processes and procedures compared

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to statutes. But we have a great opportunity here. We

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have a surplus budget. We state that it's a balanced

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budget, but we had 29 million dollar surplus last year

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total. Just in the general fund. And we're going to

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have another 20 million to surplus this year. It's not

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balanced. Why not have this audit. Group look at our

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actual, when they come out this fall in December and

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have them compare that to the budget document and see

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the differences. That would be a great audit topic to

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see if we're a financial policies match the requirement for

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a balanced budget per the statute. That would be a

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great opportunity to level set to understand budget versus actual

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cost. Kind of foot stomping what Wes said about really

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looking at what actuals are compared to our budget document.

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And we're way off and it's really due to our

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financial policies that need to be addressed. Uh, so I'd

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appreciate putting these people to work on looking at real

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cost reductions. We do pay 1. 7 million dollars for

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this audit department. Let's see what kind of money they

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can find to reduce our budget. Okay. Uh, the second

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item. You're going to put up increase the commercial paper,

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500, 000. There's no real briefing prepared to tell us

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what that's far. I've asked a couple of questions, got

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some feedback that it's about our water bill, putting the

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expansion to pay for the UEP additions. It's going to

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cause 500 million dollars and using commercial paper instead of

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bonds. Okay. But that gets to an issue of timing.

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And I gave you a lot of questions in my

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email about where do we stand, uh, with a UEP,

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costing 30, 40, 000 dollars. There's going to be a

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meeting at the end of September to say what North

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one's going to cost. I'm sure there's bad news. So

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what's the timing of those big projects that we have

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in the future? Thank you. Lisa Cohen Atkinson and David

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Holsey. Good evening. Council Lisa Cohen

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Atkinson, Southwest Cape. Two weeks ago, this council passed ordinance

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4926 implementing hefty fines and new investigator positions to correct

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down on unlicensed contractors. That legislation is a great step

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on paper, but ordinance is mean absolutely nothing if our

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city bureaucracy ignores the very residents handling them. Handing them

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the evidence on a silver platter. When the residents step

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up, does the research pulls the property files and hands

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code enforcement clear evidence of extensive unpermitted structural work done

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right under our noses in the wake of hurricane Ian.

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So this goes back a little bit. And then information

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sits on the desk since July 20th without a single

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callback. The system is failing our citizens. We cannot expect

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regular families to follow the rules pay skyrocketing taxes and

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pull costly building permits. If others are permitted to completely

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bypass the law with zero consequences from our enforcement divisions.

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Unlicensed contracting during the state of emergencies, not a minor

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oversight, under Florida law. It is a third degree felony.

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It threatened safety compromises property values and undermines the rule

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of law. Code compliance cannot be select cannot be selective

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standard. It must be the minimum expectation for every property

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owner. And an immediate priority for our city staff. As

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you vote tonight on a multimillion dollar capital capital budget,

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I ask this council to look at the operational breakdowns

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happening right now. Let's ensure that our departments are actively

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answering the public and forcing the rule equally and protecting

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Cape Carl's integrity. And I also just want to thank

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everybody for all of their dedication. I see a little

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bit of an end. There's going to be a transfer

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here. And I just want to thank everybody that's been

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on council. Obviously, we don't always see eye to eye,

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but we understand the sacrifices. And I would love the

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call some people out, but I know that's already going

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to get gaveled. So I don't want to do that.

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So I'll just stare at you while I say thank

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you for all of your service because I understand that

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I've seen the growth over the years. And as we

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don't talk about these things when we leave the council

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chambers, but we enjoy our time on the baseball fields

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with our families. I just want to say thank you

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that we have never taken this outside of this room

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and left it right here where the business continues. So

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thank you for everything that you have all done. Thank

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you. I don't know how many times I got to

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tell you. It's not. Obviousness. Good afternoon. I'm David Halsey.

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I have, I think I saw a red flag today

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when, when y'all put ordinance 5226 on the agenda, I

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have no clue what that is. I know we're going

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to talk about it in a little while, but to

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go from in Tom already mentioned it 150 to 500.

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That's almost a checkbook. And I just want to make

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sure that that checkbook isn't going to turn around and

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fund something like yacht club. That's, that's a red flag

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00:36:10,549 --> 00:36:13,879
for me. The other thing I wanted to discuss is

474
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:18,439
the CRA. I was told that my home is inside

475
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:23,559
the CRA. And then I looked on the Cape Coral

476
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:28,679
homepage at where the properties are. I think I'm outside

477
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:31,879
the CRA and I don't pay taxes in. If I

478
00:36:31,879 --> 00:36:34,519
do, I'm really going to be upset. But if somebody

479
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:36,759
can answer that question and tell me yes or no,

480
00:36:36,759 --> 00:36:41,574
I'd appreciate it. Thank you all. Jenifer Alvarez Wada and

481
00:36:41,675 --> 00:36:50,816
Julia Atari. Okay. Jennifer

482
00:36:50,837 --> 00:36:54,336
Alvarezwata, Northwest Cabe. I'm here to talk about last week's

483
00:36:54,357 --> 00:36:59,536
meeting with a councilman, councilwoman, I should say. It kind

484
00:36:59,536 --> 00:37:03,934
of sounded like, wow. She took a page right out

485
00:37:03,934 --> 00:37:08,590
of the mayor's playbook. She is a liar. She said

486
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:11,310
she did a research in a rowing club and Tropicana

487
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:15,771
Park. Well, apparently you didn't, because they're there. And they

488
00:37:15,792 --> 00:37:19,276
ain't going anywhere. Okay. Second of all, I want to

489
00:37:19,497 --> 00:37:22,996
also point out that she mentioned how unfair we were.

490
00:37:22,996 --> 00:37:27,796
Okay. What is actually unfair is how you misled your

491
00:37:27,817 --> 00:37:31,810
voters when you ran for position. Or the promises you

492
00:37:31,831 --> 00:37:36,900
made that didn't happen. You turned our back on the

493
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:41,099
people that supported you. You voted the way the cronies

494
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,659
wanted you to. Certainly not in the best interest of

495
00:37:44,659 --> 00:37:48,379
the citizens. You don't listen to what everyone is saying,

496
00:37:48,379 --> 00:37:52,059
but now the citizens want you to resign. But funny

497
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,468
how you can hear them now. Funny how you have

498
00:37:57,569 --> 00:38:01,670
selective hearing skills as you can read the room. Okay.

499
00:38:02,251 --> 00:38:08,245
So she also ran on skyrocking taxes. Uh, really, uh,

500
00:38:08,606 --> 00:38:10,905
the fire, my fire went over five hundred dollars a

501
00:38:10,905 --> 00:38:14,038
month and it came on your watch. The city became

502
00:38:14,379 --> 00:38:20,918
a concrete jungle. Well, still is on your watch. Disastrous

503
00:38:21,179 --> 00:38:26,329
park projects. And here we are. Also mentioned the UAP.

504
00:38:26,329 --> 00:38:29,535
That is a joke. This is when, uh, and why

505
00:38:29,535 --> 00:38:33,455
people voted for you. You are a liar, unfair and

506
00:38:33,455 --> 00:38:39,100
disrespectful. Let's move on to the crazy budget of 2027.

507
00:38:40,192 --> 00:38:45,051
1. 40 billion dollars, So you mean to tell me

508
00:38:45,051 --> 00:38:48,171
that we grew a half a billion dollars or is

509
00:38:48,171 --> 00:38:55,366
this Mikey's wishlist. How do the people, you people, meaning

510
00:38:55,406 --> 00:38:59,206
counsel do not even ask questions. You all live here.

511
00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:01,606
And yet not one of you except one person ask

512
00:39:01,867 --> 00:39:05,766
questions. How can you let this person get away with

513
00:39:05,867 --> 00:39:10,466
raising our budget 50 million dollars. We pay over 500

514
00:39:10,506 --> 00:39:14,386
dollars for fire. That is 132 million dollars a year

515
00:39:14,807 --> 00:39:17,106
that does not come out of our 1. 5 billion

516
00:39:17,367 --> 00:39:24,049
dollar budget. Okay, so yeah, uh, I can't, uh, and

517
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:27,329
then anytime when you guys do ask questions, little Mikey

518
00:39:27,329 --> 00:39:30,129
over here can't even answer the questions. Can't even meet

519
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:38,369
district number seven in person has to bring his entourage,

520
00:39:38,369 --> 00:39:41,489
uh, and he should be, can't wait to the numeric

521
00:39:41,489 --> 00:39:44,769
it's in and hopefully fire you because you've lost 25

522
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:48,929
million dollars on the eSpace and project would be fired

523
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:53,329
for that. Okay. And also to fire you for your

524
00:39:53,590 --> 00:40:00,033
incompetency. Thank you. Please, no applause or we'll take a

525
00:40:00,033 --> 00:40:09,867
break. Actually, you'll be

526
00:40:09,867 --> 00:40:13,622
surprised. I'm not screaming tonight. Cause I'd like to clear

527
00:40:13,723 --> 00:40:17,222
up a couple of things before, you know, we get

528
00:40:17,222 --> 00:40:22,744
a new mayor. Amen. Since I've been coming here, which

529
00:40:22,845 --> 00:40:27,384
is often and asking questions, one thing that was said

530
00:40:27,424 --> 00:40:30,922
right before me is we don't get answers. Up there,

531
00:40:30,962 --> 00:40:34,778
you don't get answers. So many times we hear we'll

532
00:40:34,778 --> 00:40:38,465
get back to you on that. Mr. City Manager, we'll

533
00:40:38,465 --> 00:40:40,766
get back to you on that. Well, if the question

534
00:40:41,107 --> 00:40:44,046
is asked publicly, he needs to get back to you

535
00:40:44,086 --> 00:40:47,551
on that publicly. Cause I'm still waiting to know what

536
00:40:47,591 --> 00:40:52,892
happened to the five thousand dollars out there. And that

537
00:40:52,913 --> 00:40:56,572
was over a year ago. That question. Nobody gets back

538
00:40:56,673 --> 00:41:01,514
to you. You know, we ask questions that have valid

539
00:41:02,895 --> 00:41:06,234
questions. Nobody gets back to you. I'm still waiting to

540
00:41:06,274 --> 00:41:10,374
figure out why Mark Mason is assistant city manager. And

541
00:41:10,374 --> 00:41:13,994
on whose authority he was appointed that position, he was

542
00:41:14,175 --> 00:41:20,546
hired as a finance guy. Now for transparency reasons he

543
00:41:20,807 --> 00:41:26,705
got a promotion. But who authorized it. When you go

544
00:41:26,806 --> 00:41:30,625
from an executive position to an executive position under a

545
00:41:30,625 --> 00:41:35,085
different level, you guys are supposed to authorize it. And

546
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:37,105
I'm going back through my notes and I don't see

547
00:41:38,086 --> 00:41:40,545
where it was ever was rice and where the big

548
00:41:40,646 --> 00:41:43,745
fat increase in his salary was authorized, which would probably

549
00:41:43,846 --> 00:41:47,440
save us another 300, 000 dollars a year. So you,

550
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,720
you don't answer the questions that need to be answered.

551
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,840
And the 80, 000 dollar year job that you're going

552
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,640
to do to stop the contractors from coming in illegally.

553
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,194
I have been, that has been an ongoing battle. Since

554
00:42:04,615 --> 00:42:08,784
the beginning of time. I have fought that battle so

555
00:42:08,805 --> 00:42:12,304
many times as a registered contractor, I've had to bid

556
00:42:12,325 --> 00:42:17,504
against unlicensed contractors. And the DBPR, you just could go

557
00:42:17,504 --> 00:42:20,224
to their website. You can go to Florida websites and

558
00:42:20,325 --> 00:42:25,633
report them. They have an entire Fort Myers office that

559
00:42:25,654 --> 00:42:29,793
deals with that. We don't need another 80, 000 dollar.

560
00:42:29,793 --> 00:42:32,433
What we do need though is we need somebody to

561
00:42:32,454 --> 00:42:35,473
verify that these contractors have the money to finish the

562
00:42:35,654 --> 00:42:38,993
houses. Cause I'm dealing right now with a woman who

563
00:42:39,094 --> 00:42:41,793
paid a contract to 500, 000 dollars to build her

564
00:42:41,814 --> 00:42:45,978
house and she lost her everything. Guy went bankrupt. Everything's

565
00:42:46,018 --> 00:42:51,003
gone. Where's your requirement to the city? The citizens, if

566
00:42:51,003 --> 00:42:52,643
they're going to build a house to make sure the

567
00:42:52,643 --> 00:42:54,987
guy has the money to do it for them. That's

568
00:42:55,648 --> 00:42:59,307
more important to me than paying somebody 80, 000 dollars

569
00:42:59,328 --> 00:43:01,885
to tell you don't have a license. Because a citizen

570
00:43:01,925 --> 00:43:03,885
can do that in two seconds. Go online and look

571
00:43:03,925 --> 00:43:09,075
it up. And there is a 5, 000 dollar fine.

572
00:43:09,075 --> 00:43:11,635
And that's been since beginning of time. You're going back

573
00:43:11,656 --> 00:43:19,639
to crap that's. Received a comment card after the last

574
00:43:19,740 --> 00:43:23,159
call had been completed? Just one. Just one. That's fine.

575
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:26,279
Okay. Linda cutney.

576
00:43:33,466 --> 00:43:35,605
Yes. Can we go ahead and vote as a body

577
00:43:35,626 --> 00:43:37,765
so we can get in front of that to allow

578
00:43:38,506 --> 00:43:41,365
our rules as a body to have one more speaker.

579
00:43:42,073 --> 00:43:47,593
I'll entertain a motion. I'll make the motion. Go ahead,

580
00:43:47,593 --> 00:43:50,873
make it. I'll make the motion to allow additional residents

581
00:43:50,873 --> 00:43:55,964
to speak. This one. I second emotions. All right. Any

582
00:43:56,065 --> 00:43:59,924
other discussion. What topic am I talking about? Oh, just

583
00:43:59,964 --> 00:44:02,884
hold on one second, ma'am. Go ahead, madam city clerk.

584
00:44:02,884 --> 00:44:06,529
Uh, please call the role. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long.

585
00:44:07,594 --> 00:44:11,893
Steinky. Aye. Then now. Aye. Gunter. Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kill

586
00:44:11,933 --> 00:44:17,795
rain. Aye. Eight eyes motion carried. Okay. Go ahead, ma'am.

587
00:44:18,616 --> 00:44:21,235
Red state your name for the record, ma'am. My name

588
00:44:21,256 --> 00:44:25,635
is Linda Putney. I live in now I live in

589
00:44:25,736 --> 00:44:30,583
Kate Coral proper before I lived in. A homeowner association

590
00:44:30,604 --> 00:44:35,594
within that county. Do you want Linda cutting his K

591
00:44:35,634 --> 00:44:36,874
- U - T - N - E - Y?

592
00:44:36,914 --> 00:44:39,194
Can you hear me? We hear you fine. Let me

593
00:44:39,234 --> 00:44:43,594
talk faster. Um, I entered two topics. You can speak

594
00:44:43,634 --> 00:44:47,274
on any matters concerning city government up to three minutes.

595
00:44:47,615 --> 00:44:50,474
Am I limited to three weeks three for both topics?

596
00:44:50,514 --> 00:44:53,194
Two minutes and 40 seconds now. Yes. Let me talk

597
00:44:53,234 --> 00:44:57,834
faster. Um, I am not the best speaker. I do

598
00:44:57,834 --> 00:44:59,994
talk with sincerity and I know what I'm talking about.

599
00:45:01,772 --> 00:45:05,671
I have a lot of background. One, I guess one

600
00:45:05,772 --> 00:45:10,711
of my biggest concerns is that amount of time, that

601
00:45:10,812 --> 00:45:19,031
code enforcement takes to enforce water restrictions that are impact

602
00:45:19,372 --> 00:45:23,511
not only the homeowners, but people that actually use not

603
00:45:23,612 --> 00:45:29,829
only groundwater, but, um, surface water. Everything is connected. I

604
00:45:29,869 --> 00:45:34,869
worked a long time in the federal government in water.

605
00:45:34,869 --> 00:45:37,509
I'm a chemist, a toxicologist and engineer. I have a

606
00:45:37,509 --> 00:45:40,709
lot of background in medicine as well. And I really

607
00:45:40,730 --> 00:45:45,349
care. Okay. About this particular subject. So, and I've mentioned

608
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:51,217
this before. But I live now in 1718 Southwest 40

609
00:45:51,318 --> 00:45:55,617
3rd terrorists in Cape Coral, Florida. It is a low

610
00:45:55,638 --> 00:46:00,977
area, meaning that it is below ground and it tends

611
00:46:01,017 --> 00:46:05,777
to flood. The people across the street are on a

612
00:46:05,777 --> 00:46:08,817
canal and they feel like they have the right since

613
00:46:08,817 --> 00:46:12,730
they have a more expensive house. To use water up

614
00:46:12,911 --> 00:46:16,490
to 10 hours a day. Unfortunately, what they do is

615
00:46:16,511 --> 00:46:20,090
a start after five o'clock. Now I'm going to propose

616
00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:22,810
that one thing that you could do perhaps to maximize

617
00:46:23,071 --> 00:46:25,770
the code enforcement would be to look at those areas

618
00:46:26,511 --> 00:46:33,450
and see what properties are green. Their lawn is dark

619
00:46:33,471 --> 00:46:38,810
green. Not only do they violate de fertilizer restrictions that

620
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:42,570
are supposed to be in effect June 1st, but they

621
00:46:42,610 --> 00:46:46,090
also water to the max. So much that they actually

622
00:46:46,351 --> 00:46:48,810
kill their plants. That is one issue. And the other

623
00:46:48,810 --> 00:46:52,170
issue I feel very strongly about is the burrowing owls.

624
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:55,530
Not that everybody cares about it, but I'm associated with

625
00:46:56,351 --> 00:47:04,250
crow and with, um, other live, I worked for the

626
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:08,730
environmental protection agency, other agencies, the federal government that are

627
00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:11,610
concerned with not only human health, but environmental health. They

628
00:47:11,610 --> 00:47:13,290
are important to the environment. There is no such thing

629
00:47:13,311 --> 00:47:17,831
as an unimportant individual. Everybody is important. They have a

630
00:47:17,831 --> 00:47:23,191
little space intercognizant, something turning. You don't know what happens

631
00:47:23,212 --> 00:47:25,511
if you get rid of those animals. They eat bugs.

632
00:47:26,290 --> 00:47:28,269
And if they don't eat those bugs, then the bugs

633
00:47:28,269 --> 00:47:31,629
are going to swarm at that time. It's been fun.

634
00:47:31,629 --> 00:47:34,509
Thank you very much for your time. Thanks. Thank you.

635
00:47:34,486 --> 00:47:36,921
For the opportunity. I'm going to see what's happening. Okay.

636
00:47:37,102 --> 00:47:39,161
Citizens then put is now closed and I'll open it

637
00:47:39,161 --> 00:47:44,524
up for councils discussion. Council member Steinke. Thank you, Mayor.

638
00:47:45,615 --> 00:47:48,634
To the gentleman with the issue with the road and

639
00:47:48,674 --> 00:47:56,394
the driveway, I spoke with the people that manage two

640
00:47:56,415 --> 00:48:01,914
outreach organizations called Builders Care and Realtors Care last evening.

641
00:48:01,914 --> 00:48:04,874
And they are supposed to be in touch with you.

642
00:48:04,874 --> 00:48:06,874
Where are there you? Uh, they're supposed to be in

643
00:48:06,914 --> 00:48:10,634
touch with you in regard to financial assistance, uh, with

644
00:48:10,655 --> 00:48:12,874
the portion of that repair that would be on your

645
00:48:13,055 --> 00:48:16,154
private property. Um, hopefully they'll be in touch with you

646
00:48:16,194 --> 00:48:21,502
soon. And they can give you a hand there. Um,

647
00:48:22,323 --> 00:48:28,142
and the comment regarding, uh, the flat cameras and their.

648
00:48:28,734 --> 00:48:31,913
Being put on pause, if you will. They're basically being

649
00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:34,713
put on pause until the state comes through with regulations

650
00:48:34,734 --> 00:48:40,073
that, uh, will put guardrails on their use. And they're

651
00:48:40,094 --> 00:48:42,613
as far as I know, there is no plan, uh,

652
00:48:42,613 --> 00:48:46,073
to put them back in use until those guidelines are

653
00:48:46,113 --> 00:48:50,481
established by the state. Thank you, Mayor. Council member last

654
00:48:50,502 --> 00:48:53,068
year. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, I was going to say

655
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:56,028
the same thing, Mr. Jack, that Council Member Steinkey stated

656
00:48:56,068 --> 00:48:59,948
about builders care. They're an incredible organization. And I bet

657
00:48:59,948 --> 00:49:04,268
we could get them to assist you with your driveway.

658
00:49:04,268 --> 00:49:06,508
And I think we're going to hear about your issue

659
00:49:06,609 --> 00:49:10,108
on the Ark consented agenda as we approve the not

660
00:49:10,148 --> 00:49:12,588
to exceed rate, to repair it. So I'm going to,

661
00:49:12,588 --> 00:49:14,588
I'm going to pause until then, because I'm sure someone

662
00:49:14,609 --> 00:49:19,228
will pull it. And if not, I will from consent.

663
00:49:19,228 --> 00:49:23,768
Um, let's see, Miss Marie. Yes, you are correct. The

664
00:49:23,768 --> 00:49:27,308
value entered on the permit should match the amount of

665
00:49:27,329 --> 00:49:30,588
work. Um, I can probably ask someone from the building

666
00:49:30,609 --> 00:49:33,928
department. If I see someone here, but I don't, but

667
00:49:33,969 --> 00:49:36,748
I'm, I'm pretty sure that's the way am I right?

668
00:49:38,236 --> 00:49:41,015
No? You're looking at me? Okay. Um, but yes, you

669
00:49:41,055 --> 00:49:45,256
should be, it should match whatever the cost is. So

670
00:49:45,517 --> 00:49:48,616
that, that should be the truth. I can verify that.

671
00:49:48,616 --> 00:49:50,936
If you'd like, um, and double check cause I don't

672
00:49:50,936 --> 00:49:55,869
see Matt here. Um, let's see. And then, uh, Kyle,

673
00:49:55,869 --> 00:49:59,689
yes, the flock cameras are at this point paused. And

674
00:49:59,689 --> 00:50:01,669
I believe the chief statement stated he was going to

675
00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:04,909
allow the state to put the much needed parameters in

676
00:50:04,930 --> 00:50:07,629
before he reinstates those or any of the other license

677
00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:12,349
plate readers. So stay tuned on that. Um, let's see.

678
00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:16,989
And then, uh, Ms. King, uh, we should bring that.

679
00:50:16,989 --> 00:50:18,909
I bet you somebody will pull that item as well

680
00:50:18,930 --> 00:50:23,478
from consent agenda. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Mayor. Okay.

681
00:50:23,518 --> 00:50:25,238
See, no other light zone will move to item nine

682
00:50:25,339 --> 00:50:27,958
approval in the minutes. Do we have a motion regarding

683
00:50:28,219 --> 00:50:31,558
the mention minutes from the regular meeting of August 19,

684
00:50:31,558 --> 00:50:38,690
2026? Motion to approve. Is there any discussion. Seeing none,

685
00:50:38,690 --> 00:50:42,130
all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed motion

686
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:45,304
carries. Move on to item 10a is the consent to

687
00:50:45,304 --> 00:50:49,410
agenda. I'll open up the consent agenda for council to

688
00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:52,370
pull any items for discussion or I'll entertain a motion.

689
00:50:55,763 --> 00:50:59,342
Council member could do. Thank you mayor. Number five resolution

690
00:50:59,843 --> 00:51:05,444
227 - 26. Number six resolution 228 - 26. Number

691
00:51:05,465 --> 00:51:14,117
nine resolution 241 - 26. Councilmember last year. She pulled

692
00:51:14,138 --> 00:51:17,557
the same. Thank you. Okay, Council Member Long. Number seven

693
00:51:17,818 --> 00:51:23,357
mayor resolution 231 - 26. Okay, looks like we're pulling

694
00:51:23,538 --> 00:51:29,837
items four. I'm sorry. Items five, six, seven, and nine.

695
00:51:29,837 --> 00:51:32,957
So I'll entertain a motion for the remainder. Motion to

696
00:51:33,058 --> 00:51:36,557
approve the remainder of consent agenda, excluding five, six, seven,

697
00:51:36,557 --> 00:51:42,389
and nine. Second. Any discussion. Stand none. Madam said he

698
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:48,236
called the rule. Mastra? Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. Aye. Steinkee?

699
00:51:48,276 --> 00:51:54,449
Aye. Janelle. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kilrain. Aye. Eight eyes,

700
00:51:54,449 --> 00:51:57,696
motion carried. Okay, we'll move on to item number five,

701
00:51:57,696 --> 00:52:01,456
resolution 227 - 26. Council member Kaduk, you pulled that

702
00:52:01,496 --> 00:52:04,351
item. I'll give you the fourth. Thank you, Mayor. I

703
00:52:04,351 --> 00:52:07,391
actually wasn't going to pull this item, but then we

704
00:52:07,431 --> 00:52:10,351
had a citizen at Citizen's input ask a question that

705
00:52:10,452 --> 00:52:13,856
made me think. Uh, Mr. City Manager. Are we expanding

706
00:52:13,877 --> 00:52:22,543
the North RO plant. Or Mr. Pearson.

707
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:29,889
Good evening. Jeff Pearson Utilities Director. Yes, we are in

708
00:52:29,889 --> 00:52:35,249
the process of design. We're expanding the North RO plant

709
00:52:35,289 --> 00:52:39,409
from a current permitted capacity of 12 million gallons a

710
00:52:39,409 --> 00:52:44,172
day to 18 million gallons a day. We'll be as

711
00:52:44,212 --> 00:52:46,892
part of that project. We're going to be constructing an

712
00:52:46,932 --> 00:52:51,852
additional 12 million gallon ground storage tank. We are also

713
00:52:52,433 --> 00:52:57,759
under engineering design. For the new North Water Reclamation facility,

714
00:52:57,759 --> 00:53:01,439
which is a wastewater plant that will be next to

715
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:09,583
the North RO plant. This particular wall was originally called

716
00:53:09,684 --> 00:53:17,601
for in the project development. Uh, plan project development or

717
00:53:17,601 --> 00:53:26,891
PDP back in 2006. It was under resolution 12606. Uh,

718
00:53:27,232 --> 00:53:32,791
that called for a wall around the original facility. The

719
00:53:32,791 --> 00:53:37,371
North government complex, which is going to house those two,

720
00:53:37,371 --> 00:53:41,131
uh, facilities at the time they were future. They weren't

721
00:53:41,312 --> 00:53:45,447
built yet. Uh, the North RO plant was completed in

722
00:53:45,628 --> 00:53:53,178
around 2010. Um, around that same time, uh, there are

723
00:53:53,178 --> 00:53:58,538
a lot of projects that just stopped at that time.

724
00:53:58,538 --> 00:54:04,179
Uh, that was one of them. And we, um, are

725
00:54:04,179 --> 00:54:08,019
currently that wall's going to provide sound attenuation to their

726
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:13,931
surrounding neighborhood. Uh, because sometimes during hurricanes, we lose power.

727
00:54:13,931 --> 00:54:18,811
We got to run our generators that helps, uh, you

728
00:54:18,811 --> 00:54:21,611
know, our neighbors. We want to be good neighbors with

729
00:54:21,632 --> 00:54:25,131
the surrounding communities. So that helps to attenuate that sound.

730
00:54:26,652 --> 00:54:30,391
It also provides a higher level of security. Uh, the

731
00:54:30,572 --> 00:54:36,791
RO plants, um, are a secure facility due to their

732
00:54:37,052 --> 00:54:41,351
criticality and nature to our community. It's our drinking water.

733
00:54:43,275 --> 00:54:50,934
Also, um, it's going to provide, uh, construction screening, because

734
00:54:50,934 --> 00:54:52,374
we're going to have a lot of activities going on

735
00:54:53,675 --> 00:54:56,214
over the next four or five years with a construction

736
00:54:56,715 --> 00:55:00,864
in the new, uh, water reclamation facility. And, uh, it's

737
00:55:00,864 --> 00:55:07,927
about 6, 450 linear feet of wall. That we're going

738
00:55:07,927 --> 00:55:14,323
to be constructing under this, uh, authorization. Thank you. I

739
00:55:14,363 --> 00:55:18,235
was really going to ask, um. For me personally, thinking

740
00:55:18,336 --> 00:55:20,715
just like a homeowner, I don't know why we would

741
00:55:20,715 --> 00:55:23,035
put up the perimeter if we're in the middle of

742
00:55:23,056 --> 00:55:25,275
an expansion and you said design. I don't know why

743
00:55:25,315 --> 00:55:28,711
we would do the wall first. Uh, actually it'll have

744
00:55:29,372 --> 00:55:33,194
gates. Uh, where the construction vehicles can get in and

745
00:55:33,234 --> 00:55:38,554
out of. Usually when we have a big construction project,

746
00:55:38,554 --> 00:55:43,394
you have to put up some type of screening. So

747
00:55:44,175 --> 00:55:49,274
having the wall there before that will actually help us

748
00:55:49,935 --> 00:55:51,754
rather than hurt us because we get a lot of

749
00:55:51,855 --> 00:55:56,643
complaints. From nearby residents. And that's pretty much in the

750
00:55:56,744 --> 00:56:03,683
middle of a residential area predominantly. So, um, and again,

751
00:56:03,704 --> 00:56:07,203
it was required as part of our PDP, uh, back

752
00:56:07,224 --> 00:56:12,323
in 2006. It was just never completed. This is the

753
00:56:12,584 --> 00:56:18,323
third time that we have bid this project. The first

754
00:56:18,424 --> 00:56:22,323
two times we had the landscaping included. We removed that

755
00:56:22,664 --> 00:56:29,723
from this, uh, bid. And we're, uh, actually really excited

756
00:56:29,744 --> 00:56:32,923
to finally get this off the ground because we've been

757
00:56:32,923 --> 00:56:35,803
working on it a long time. It's been discussed over

758
00:56:35,843 --> 00:56:41,003
the years. I know during strategic planning meetings with council,

759
00:56:41,003 --> 00:56:44,683
not necessarily with this particular council that's seated. But in

760
00:56:44,723 --> 00:56:47,803
other councils, I know it's came up and we've been

761
00:56:47,803 --> 00:56:52,283
working diligently on getting this taken care of. And we

762
00:56:52,323 --> 00:56:57,003
had a few setbacks with, uh, LCEC took part of

763
00:56:57,024 --> 00:57:01,247
our stormwater. And that set us back some. We had

764
00:57:01,348 --> 00:57:05,387
to do some redesign on the stormwater facilities there, uh,

765
00:57:05,428 --> 00:57:10,775
to support this wall. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Okay.

766
00:57:10,796 --> 00:57:12,295
So no other light on. I entertain a motion for

767
00:57:12,316 --> 00:57:18,313
resolution 227 - 26. Motion to approve. Is second. Second.

768
00:57:19,435 --> 00:57:22,779
Any discussion. Seeing none, Madam City clerk, please hold the

769
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:29,243
role. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. Aye. Thank you. Aye.

770
00:57:29,504 --> 00:57:34,591
Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kill rain. All right.

771
00:57:34,852 --> 00:57:38,351
Eight eyes motion carried. Okay. Move on the resolution 228

772
00:57:38,372 --> 00:57:42,511
- 26. Number six on the agenda. Council member Kaduk.

773
00:57:42,511 --> 00:57:45,151
I'll turn the floor over to you. Thanks, Mayor. Again,

774
00:57:45,191 --> 00:57:47,551
we had a citizen at citizens input. Speak about this.

775
00:57:47,551 --> 00:57:48,991
So if you could just give an overview exactly what

776
00:57:49,031 --> 00:57:52,225
we're going to be doing. That would be great. Sure.

777
00:57:52,246 --> 00:57:55,425
So, uh, Bill Corbett public works. Uh, the repair includes

778
00:57:56,646 --> 00:58:00,065
the injection of a grouted column 40 feet deep at

779
00:58:00,065 --> 00:58:03,185
12 locations underneath the area that's settling. Uh, with the

780
00:58:03,366 --> 00:58:06,305
thought that that will provide a firm and stable surface

781
00:58:06,326 --> 00:58:09,905
in order to repave and rebuild the road. And just

782
00:58:09,926 --> 00:58:13,025
to be clear, the homeowner is responsible for their property

783
00:58:13,286 --> 00:58:16,672
lines. It's my understanding at this point in time that

784
00:58:16,712 --> 00:58:18,512
this work is limited to the public right of way

785
00:58:18,693 --> 00:58:22,432
by public works department. When we inject the grout, will

786
00:58:22,432 --> 00:58:26,100
this make it worse for the homeowner. Uh, no. In

787
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,300
fact, it may have a positive benefit. So if you

788
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:32,700
can imagine injecting down into the ground, it would not

789
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:35,340
go into a straight column. It will spread. Right. And

790
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:38,300
so it's a viscous material. And so that may provide

791
00:58:38,401 --> 00:58:42,360
some benefit outside of, uh, that linear column. So, uh,

792
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,580
it may provide some, uh, support, if you will on

793
00:58:45,580 --> 00:58:47,980
the outskirts of the right of way, which may benefit

794
00:58:48,020 --> 00:58:51,980
the homeowner, uh, and the driveway condition. However, uh, we

795
00:58:52,161 --> 00:58:55,820
won't know that. We are unaware of the subsurface conditions

796
00:58:55,921 --> 00:58:59,020
horizontally, especially at 40 feet deep. So is there a

797
00:58:59,020 --> 00:59:02,981
report. Yes. But so just to give, uh, some detail

798
00:59:02,981 --> 00:59:06,821
on the report, uh, went down 270 feet until they

799
00:59:06,821 --> 00:59:10,581
found firm and stable ground. Uh, so, uh, beneath the

800
00:59:10,602 --> 00:59:13,441
ground all the way down to that 270 feet, uh,

801
00:59:13,642 --> 00:59:17,461
the loose soils and water down there. And that's what's

802
00:59:17,482 --> 00:59:22,286
contributing to the settlement. Okay. And if it makes it

803
00:59:22,326 --> 00:59:25,326
worse for the homeowner, would the city be liable then?

804
00:59:25,925 --> 00:59:27,904
I don't have an answer to that question. Mr. City

805
00:59:27,944 --> 00:59:32,965
attorney. If you repeat that question one more time, council

806
00:59:33,005 --> 00:59:36,325
number one. If it made it worse for the homeowner,

807
00:59:36,325 --> 00:59:38,799
because the city is now doing work. Would city's doing

808
00:59:38,839 --> 00:59:41,279
to work on its own property, yes. And it made

809
00:59:41,319 --> 00:59:43,359
it worse for the homeowner would we then be, would

810
00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:45,359
we then be liable? I would take the legal position

811
00:59:45,380 --> 00:59:52,380
that it would not. Okay? Thanks. For. What I'm talking

812
00:59:52,380 --> 01:00:01,854
about. Council member lastra. Thank you, Mayor. So, uh, Mr.

813
01:00:01,875 --> 01:00:04,494
City Attorney, this gentleman didn't hear your statement. Can you

814
01:00:04,494 --> 01:00:07,736
repeat that louder for him. My statement was I would

815
01:00:07,736 --> 01:00:12,056
take the legal position that it would not create liability

816
01:00:12,096 --> 01:00:15,096
for the city. It would not create liability for the

817
01:00:15,136 --> 01:00:17,576
city. If it were to get worse, I believe that

818
01:00:17,616 --> 01:00:20,696
was council member conduced. The worst we do makes the

819
01:00:20,736 --> 01:00:24,296
property get worse than we would not be liable, correct?

820
01:00:24,477 --> 01:00:27,096
I would take the legal position that it would not

821
01:00:27,597 --> 01:00:30,536
create liability on behalf of the city of Cape Coral.

822
01:00:31,788 --> 01:00:35,767
Okay. Mr. Corbett, so you explained a little bit as

823
01:00:35,788 --> 01:00:40,347
to why this happened. So, so, uh, please, I was

824
01:00:40,347 --> 01:00:45,687
talking in my conversation with the city manager yesterday. He

825
01:00:45,708 --> 01:00:49,207
had also mentioned that that's why developers and contractors usually

826
01:00:49,308 --> 01:00:55,087
do like a geo, geographical study underground correct prior to

827
01:00:55,087 --> 01:00:59,847
building their house or tried, sorry, prior to building any

828
01:00:59,868 --> 01:01:04,407
property that they were building. Sure. Geotechnical exploration, uh, that

829
01:01:04,447 --> 01:01:07,927
evaluates the soil subsurface oil conditions. And that is required

830
01:01:08,028 --> 01:01:10,647
on a variety of different projects throughout the city through

831
01:01:10,647 --> 01:01:14,087
our permitting and building processes. Um, I will say that

832
01:01:14,508 --> 01:01:17,767
there is an exception in single family residential where there

833
01:01:17,767 --> 01:01:22,087
are alternatives to conducting that report. Uh, I don't know

834
01:01:22,108 --> 01:01:25,127
the details of that. I would lean on DSD and

835
01:01:25,167 --> 01:01:27,847
building to explain that a little further. But my understanding

836
01:01:27,868 --> 01:01:31,127
is for single family residential, there is some relief there

837
01:01:31,167 --> 01:01:34,567
where there is an attestation by the contractor that there

838
01:01:34,567 --> 01:01:40,087
is adequate soil conditions. However, every commercial development is required

839
01:01:40,108 --> 01:01:42,727
to do this type of exploration. And this is, this

840
01:01:42,748 --> 01:01:45,127
isn't recent. In other words, like my, my home was

841
01:01:45,167 --> 01:01:47,367
built in 1980. So were they doing this back in

842
01:01:47,388 --> 01:01:51,047
1980 or is this something recent with Florida building code?

843
01:01:51,047 --> 01:01:53,687
Let's say over the last 10 years. No, geotechnical engineering

844
01:01:53,948 --> 01:01:58,007
has been a practice for quite some time, uh, understanding,

845
01:01:58,007 --> 01:02:02,487
uh, shallow foundations and the subsurface condition impacts on those

846
01:02:02,588 --> 01:02:06,247
foundations, uh, the need for deep foundations. This is something

847
01:02:06,287 --> 01:02:10,567
that has been historically part of the civil engineering process.

848
01:02:10,567 --> 01:02:12,727
To my knowledge, as far as when there may have

849
01:02:12,727 --> 01:02:16,227
been a permitting requirement, I don't have that date, but

850
01:02:16,227 --> 01:02:19,287
this is common practice. Okay. So there wouldn't be any

851
01:02:19,468 --> 01:02:25,207
liability then on his original contractor that built that home.

852
01:02:26,615 --> 01:02:28,994
For the driveway area. I wouldn't be able to answer

853
01:02:29,015 --> 01:02:34,274
that. Uh, we have not conducted any geotechnical exploration outside

854
01:02:34,375 --> 01:02:36,914
of the settlement area within the public right of way.

855
01:02:37,095 --> 01:02:40,274
Okay. And you said that the reason this was caused

856
01:02:40,295 --> 01:02:45,214
again was because of, um, the soil, uh, underneath. And

857
01:02:45,214 --> 01:02:47,314
I know Mr. City Manager stated yesterday that it could

858
01:02:47,314 --> 01:02:51,074
have been at one point like there was water flow,

859
01:02:51,074 --> 01:02:53,534
maybe hundreds or thousands of years ago under there. And

860
01:02:53,575 --> 01:02:57,954
that's what made that sediment and soil mushy, if you

861
01:02:57,954 --> 01:03:01,294
will. Sorry for the technical. Yeah. So we have, um,

862
01:03:01,815 --> 01:03:06,434
so, uh, subsurface, we have organic materials and other things.

863
01:03:06,434 --> 01:03:10,594
There's also limestone down there, which is, uh, water soluble.

864
01:03:10,594 --> 01:03:13,634
And so it does create cavernous conditions, not similar to

865
01:03:13,674 --> 01:03:15,874
how you'd have in other areas of Florida because we

866
01:03:15,874 --> 01:03:18,354
have such a shallow water table. Uh, we also have

867
01:03:18,535 --> 01:03:22,594
pretty well drained soils with sandy soil conditions. So you

868
01:03:22,594 --> 01:03:27,234
don't see those types of, uh, settlements and subsidence that

869
01:03:27,255 --> 01:03:29,234
you do in other areas of the state. But what

870
01:03:29,274 --> 01:03:32,114
you see here is a settlement that is, is those

871
01:03:32,135 --> 01:03:35,634
voids are filled. Uh, so there is water down there,

872
01:03:35,634 --> 01:03:39,794
loose soils. And so the geotechnical report has cited a

873
01:03:39,794 --> 01:03:42,994
possibility for the cause of the subsidence to be the

874
01:03:42,994 --> 01:03:46,594
reduced levels in the aquifer. And so if you can

875
01:03:46,594 --> 01:03:50,594
imagine that water drawing down, uh, almost consolidates those layers

876
01:03:50,695 --> 01:03:52,914
with it and pulls that soil down with it, which

877
01:03:52,914 --> 01:03:55,234
is what you're seeing. Are we going to bearing capacity

878
01:03:55,234 --> 01:03:58,514
of the roadway itself adds to that? Understood. Are we

879
01:03:58,514 --> 01:04:01,074
going to have this in any other area of the

880
01:04:01,114 --> 01:04:04,754
city or in this gentleman's area when you mentioned it

881
01:04:04,754 --> 01:04:07,714
was because of aquifer depletion. I'm thinking, you know, maybe

882
01:04:07,735 --> 01:04:10,914
in council member Kaduk or Councilmember Longs area that where

883
01:04:10,954 --> 01:04:14,194
we still have the septic systems. Are we, do we

884
01:04:14,194 --> 01:04:16,754
anticipate the other areas in the city that we're going

885
01:04:16,754 --> 01:04:21,214
to see this again? It's very well possible. So, uh,

886
01:04:21,214 --> 01:04:23,834
we don't know what's going on. You know, hundreds of

887
01:04:23,834 --> 01:04:27,634
feet deep in every square mile of the city. There

888
01:04:27,674 --> 01:04:29,954
are other areas in the city that do have these

889
01:04:29,975 --> 01:04:33,074
types of settlements. Um, we have one right now that

890
01:04:33,175 --> 01:04:36,434
was in the UEP area, which, um, council has approved

891
01:04:37,015 --> 01:04:41,394
the purchase of repurposed properties for boat ramps and things

892
01:04:41,394 --> 01:04:44,034
like that, uh, potential for stormwater. But the bottom line

893
01:04:44,055 --> 01:04:47,394
is you don't know until it's there. And so I

894
01:04:47,434 --> 01:04:50,834
can cite about four different locations throughout the city. However,

895
01:04:50,874 --> 01:04:52,754
they are much different than this one. Uh, they have

896
01:04:52,855 --> 01:04:57,314
settled over time, long period of time much slower rate

897
01:04:57,354 --> 01:05:01,554
of settlement. Uh, this location is settling much quicker. Gotcha.

898
01:05:01,575 --> 01:05:06,495
Okay. Thank you, Mayor. There's no question yet. We can

899
01:05:06,495 --> 01:05:09,215
get you with a staff member if you have questions.

900
01:05:09,215 --> 01:05:11,615
Council member Kilring. Yeah. I was going to probe some

901
01:05:11,655 --> 01:05:14,975
of those same things, Phil. Uh, I'm very familiar with

902
01:05:15,156 --> 01:05:19,535
on a commercial project that you do those geotechnical analysis

903
01:05:19,716 --> 01:05:27,375
first. Have we established a boundary of this setback here?

904
01:05:27,415 --> 01:05:30,799
Do we know what the boundaries are. So it appears

905
01:05:30,839 --> 01:05:34,319
to be limited to this location. Uh, the geotechnical engineer

906
01:05:34,340 --> 01:05:38,799
did do some, uh, exploratory electromagnetic testing in the area

907
01:05:38,820 --> 01:05:41,759
to see if we can determine the horizontal terminus of

908
01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:45,199
the settlement. Uh, it looks at this point in time

909
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:48,719
to be, uh, located right where it is in front

910
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:52,559
of the seismic. He did seismic? Or what did he,

911
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:56,948
what type did you say. What type of analysis? Electro.

912
01:05:59,183 --> 01:06:03,962
Effectively, um, like a ground penetrating radar. Okay. So seismic.

913
01:06:04,677 --> 01:06:08,536
Yeah. Okay. And, uh, basically he established limits based on

914
01:06:08,536 --> 01:06:12,224
that. Yes. And they've only determined that, uh, right now

915
01:06:12,565 --> 01:06:14,704
we're at the local point of settlement in front of

916
01:06:14,704 --> 01:06:18,064
the home. I would just based on my knowledge of

917
01:06:18,064 --> 01:06:21,664
the way the geostructure is here. I would assume that

918
01:06:22,485 --> 01:06:26,864
it's probably an isolated deal. I don't think we, like

919
01:06:26,864 --> 01:06:29,324
we have in North Florida where we got a lot

920
01:06:29,324 --> 01:06:32,864
of caving potential, uh, but it's probably as a result

921
01:06:32,965 --> 01:06:37,344
of either the loss of the water and the aquifer.

922
01:06:37,344 --> 01:06:40,224
I think as you described probably coming down, that would

923
01:06:40,405 --> 01:06:43,024
be my first guess at it without looking at the

924
01:06:43,024 --> 01:06:45,904
data. But I think you're headed in the right direction

925
01:06:46,005 --> 01:06:50,144
anyway. Um, there may be some other things you may

926
01:06:50,165 --> 01:06:56,082
want to do. Have you completed the total engineering on

927
01:06:56,082 --> 01:07:01,522
it and you have the prescribed scope project work right

928
01:07:01,562 --> 01:07:04,562
now for this one? Yes. So, uh, we worked with

929
01:07:04,602 --> 01:07:08,962
our geotechnical consultant to develop a specification for a repair.

930
01:07:08,962 --> 01:07:11,442
And that's what this purchase is not to exceed 500,

931
01:07:11,463 --> 01:07:14,322
000 to install those grout columns. And the word came

932
01:07:14,322 --> 01:07:17,602
to me, we did electro resistivity testing. And so that's

933
01:07:17,623 --> 01:07:20,660
what we did for the horizontal terminus. All right. Thank

934
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:25,381
you, Mayor. Councilmember that. Yeah, Mayor, this is one of

935
01:07:25,381 --> 01:07:29,035
those that gets interesting. All right. Because they asked a

936
01:07:29,035 --> 01:07:31,075
very specific question. I kind of caught wind of it

937
01:07:31,576 --> 01:07:34,195
about, we need some help with our driveway because it's,

938
01:07:34,235 --> 01:07:36,792
we can't get in our driveway. So they're here asking

939
01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:41,953
the city for help. This particular ordinance specifically addresses the

940
01:07:41,974 --> 01:07:46,870
roadway. In front of the property. If I heard you

941
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:50,310
clearly, we started throwing terms out there. And certainly I

942
01:07:50,310 --> 01:07:53,670
follow you geotechnical services and two seven feet. But the

943
01:07:53,691 --> 01:07:56,310
end of the day, the question was, is a city

944
01:07:57,131 --> 01:07:59,743
able to help them. It was preceded by the fact

945
01:07:59,764 --> 01:08:01,663
that what they asked to that question based on what

946
01:08:01,663 --> 01:08:04,793
I'm hearing is no. But I'm hearing that we have

947
01:08:04,974 --> 01:08:10,671
entities within the community. That will help. Now what, and

948
01:08:10,671 --> 01:08:12,611
I'm very thankful for all of those communities, but you

949
01:08:12,611 --> 01:08:14,371
know, it's one of those no good deeds going punished.

950
01:08:15,475 --> 01:08:19,454
I'm saying suggesting it's hard to, for someone like me

951
01:08:19,475 --> 01:08:21,294
to understand, wait a minute, there was a problem with

952
01:08:21,395 --> 01:08:24,830
the road in front of the house. And hurting hearing

953
01:08:24,830 --> 01:08:27,470
from the testimony their thoughts are, well, because of the

954
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:29,790
problem with the road, ours in front of the house,

955
01:08:29,790 --> 01:08:33,870
then thus my garage gets damaged. So it makes sense

956
01:08:33,891 --> 01:08:35,310
to them. I say, well, wait a minute. You need

957
01:08:35,310 --> 01:08:36,590
to help me fix it. That makes a lot of

958
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:39,390
sense. But I do follow what you're saying when he's

959
01:08:39,390 --> 01:08:41,710
saying, well, no, it's not really. There was something going

960
01:08:41,710 --> 01:08:45,230
on at your personal property, which takes the liability off

961
01:08:45,270 --> 01:08:48,350
of the city. That doesn't really square with anybody starting

962
01:08:48,350 --> 01:08:51,661
here, but that is the answer. As we move forward,

963
01:08:51,701 --> 01:08:55,488
this ordinance, which I am full support of. But I

964
01:08:55,488 --> 01:08:57,808
will maybe counsel we need to have a conversation because

965
01:08:58,309 --> 01:09:02,288
we don't have a comprehensive policy for, this is one

966
01:09:02,469 --> 01:09:05,008
of those one offs for me that I'm suggesting that

967
01:09:05,008 --> 01:09:07,728
we might need to look at because although this is

968
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:10,128
going to get taken care of the way I understand

969
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:14,942
it by, um, some partners of the city. We might

970
01:09:14,963 --> 01:09:18,542
want to address that downstream. What happens? Cause you're right.

971
01:09:18,542 --> 01:09:21,022
We won't be able to tell until we'll get there.

972
01:09:21,022 --> 01:09:23,502
But saying to a person, well, I know you okay

973
01:09:23,542 --> 01:09:25,262
until we put the road, but the business came in

974
01:09:25,443 --> 01:09:27,842
and now it's on you. I don't know if we're

975
01:09:27,882 --> 01:09:30,840
palatable that. So in a nutshell, what I'm saying is

976
01:09:30,861 --> 01:09:34,760
I'm in support of support the ordinance, but understanding that's

977
01:09:34,781 --> 01:09:37,160
not that we're doing it. There are other entities that

978
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,880
are going to help you. And then how we make

979
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,440
that how we partner with them or get with them,

980
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:47,080
the business to ensure that it's done. It's something that

981
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,560
I guess we need to come downstream. I don't know

982
01:09:49,661 --> 01:09:52,921
if that helps at all. But, and I'll be free

983
01:09:52,921 --> 01:09:54,681
to talk with you now, by the way, but I'm

984
01:09:54,681 --> 01:09:55,961
glad that it's going to get taken care of.

985
01:10:04,571 --> 01:10:07,030
I hear you. I hope I was trying to articulate

986
01:10:07,051 --> 01:10:09,670
that from up here. So I get where you're coming

987
01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:13,002
from. So I'll see you. I will talk and we'll

988
01:10:13,042 --> 01:10:14,522
talk. But we're going to get, we're going to get

989
01:10:14,522 --> 01:10:16,938
it done. All right. But for the city matter, we

990
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:19,178
do need to have this conversation when we have issues

991
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,138
like this. So things are not happening. And we're like,

992
01:10:22,138 --> 01:10:25,258
Oh, that's an owner's responsibility. That's all I'm saying to

993
01:10:25,258 --> 01:10:27,898
the council. All right. And we'll see you at break

994
01:10:27,999 --> 01:10:29,818
or after the meeting. All right. Thank you. That's all

995
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:34,831
council member Steini. Thank you Mayor. For what it's worth.

996
01:10:34,831 --> 01:10:37,631
This is more common than many people think. It doesn't

997
01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:42,491
tend to happen in this, uh, great and instance. Uh,

998
01:10:42,532 --> 01:10:48,671
but on home sites, uh, based on how, uh, Cape

999
01:10:48,671 --> 01:10:54,111
Coral was, was developed, um, and, and over the years,

1000
01:10:54,111 --> 01:10:57,471
um, the canals being dug out, uh, the materials and

1001
01:10:57,511 --> 01:11:01,051
where they were taken. Um, have caused some problems, uh,

1002
01:11:01,492 --> 01:11:03,631
in other areas of the county where that debris was

1003
01:11:03,732 --> 01:11:09,071
taken. Uh, and so for instance in my life outside

1004
01:11:09,252 --> 01:11:12,991
of council, um, if we are not going to do

1005
01:11:13,332 --> 01:11:18,271
geotechnical, um, analysis on a home site where we will

1006
01:11:18,311 --> 01:11:22,751
build the homeowner actually signs off a release that says

1007
01:11:23,092 --> 01:11:26,991
they're okay with not having geotesting done. Because what geotesting

1008
01:11:27,012 --> 01:11:30,911
can show is that there is some subterranean support required

1009
01:11:31,572 --> 01:11:36,671
because of, um, soil conditions that are found like we're

1010
01:11:36,711 --> 01:11:41,151
finding here. Um, as bad as you would see here,

1011
01:11:41,151 --> 01:11:45,311
but you'll see many homes that have, the cracks in

1012
01:11:45,311 --> 01:11:47,871
the sides of the walls because the home is settling.

1013
01:11:47,871 --> 01:11:51,151
We all see the advertisements on television about the companies

1014
01:11:51,151 --> 01:11:55,551
that will come out and they'll support foundations because of

1015
01:11:55,732 --> 01:11:57,631
cracks in the wall. Doors not being able to open

1016
01:11:58,372 --> 01:12:00,991
so on and so forth. Um, that, that has everything

1017
01:12:01,092 --> 01:12:05,551
to do with the conditions of, uh, the subterranean soils.

1018
01:12:05,551 --> 01:12:10,411
And so, um, it is so, um, site specific, uh,

1019
01:12:10,932 --> 01:12:15,151
that oftentimes, uh, those subterranean supports will be needed on

1020
01:12:15,172 --> 01:12:18,191
one home site. And on the very next home site

1021
01:12:18,212 --> 01:12:20,544
next door, they are not needed. Uh, and so it

1022
01:12:20,584 --> 01:12:26,384
is very, very, very sight specific. And so, um, the

1023
01:12:26,405 --> 01:12:29,824
fact that we've, the city's responsible for how it's affecting

1024
01:12:31,125 --> 01:12:33,904
the city property, um, the fact that we're trying to

1025
01:12:33,904 --> 01:12:36,684
get someone engaged to help with the private property, uh,

1026
01:12:36,885 --> 01:12:39,344
it's, it's still the same issue. And it literally can

1027
01:12:39,344 --> 01:12:45,344
come up anywhere. And to try to geotest 120 square

1028
01:12:45,384 --> 01:12:53,564
miles all at once, pretty tough. So thank you. Council

1029
01:12:53,604 --> 01:12:56,124
Member Kadu. Thank you, Mayor. Did I hear the homeowner

1030
01:12:56,164 --> 01:12:58,924
say that he thinks this started after the 7 -

1031
01:12:58,924 --> 01:13:04,920
Eleven started. I believe that is their opinion. The city

1032
01:13:04,941 --> 01:13:08,840
has hired our consultant to determine the opinion of probable

1033
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,640
cause of the settlement. And at this point in time,

1034
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,200
they are attributing the subsidence to the reduced levels in

1035
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,307
the aquifer. Is the 7 - Eleven on City water

1036
01:13:19,408 --> 01:13:23,897
and sewer. I do not have an answer to that

1037
01:13:23,937 --> 01:13:27,337
question. If the city would look to see if the

1038
01:13:27,438 --> 01:13:31,177
7 - Eleven is on the well, did the 7

1039
01:13:31,177 --> 01:13:34,057
- Eleven do a CO technical study. The 7 -

1040
01:13:34,057 --> 01:13:36,617
Eleven did do a geotechnical study. Okay. That's part of

1041
01:13:36,657 --> 01:13:41,817
their process, yes. Okay, so if they have a well,

1042
01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:44,617
could that be contributing to this problem? Based on our

1043
01:13:44,638 --> 01:13:47,897
discussion with the geotechnical consultant, they did not think it

1044
01:13:47,937 --> 01:13:53,231
did. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember last year. Thank you, Mayor.

1045
01:13:53,231 --> 01:13:57,563
One last quick point. Just thinking about this and we're

1046
01:13:57,603 --> 01:14:02,123
concerned about fault, I guess. And given that the state

1047
01:14:02,304 --> 01:14:07,243
preempted us to not be able to do building more

1048
01:14:07,584 --> 01:14:10,843
touriums. And he's saying this happened within the last five,

1049
01:14:10,843 --> 01:14:14,763
six years. Would this state have any culpability in this?

1050
01:14:14,763 --> 01:14:19,083
In other words, would the South Florida water management district

1051
01:14:19,184 --> 01:14:21,883
have any fault in this given that we were still

1052
01:14:22,064 --> 01:14:26,763
building when the aquifer was obviously low and they mandate

1053
01:14:26,944 --> 01:14:29,643
that for us? I mean, in your opinion, I would

1054
01:14:29,664 --> 01:14:33,163
not know the legal ramifications for the state or any

1055
01:14:33,163 --> 01:14:35,643
other agency based on that. However, what I will say

1056
01:14:35,984 --> 01:14:38,843
is that although the aquifer was depleted, we were not

1057
01:14:39,584 --> 01:14:42,363
below the levels to where they issued that type of

1058
01:14:42,464 --> 01:14:46,321
order. Uh, so what I would say is, um. Should

1059
01:14:46,342 --> 01:14:49,321
a moratorium have been instituted at that time, I believe

1060
01:14:49,321 --> 01:14:50,721
it would have been based on the levels that they

1061
01:14:50,761 --> 01:14:53,201
were monitoring. I don't have the details on how far

1062
01:14:53,222 --> 01:14:56,961
off we were or what they were utilizing as they're

1063
01:14:56,961 --> 01:14:59,441
mitigating factor and when they actually do that, uh, but

1064
01:14:59,462 --> 01:15:02,241
what I will say is the timing, uh, the five

1065
01:15:02,281 --> 01:15:04,241
to six years and it happened just within the past

1066
01:15:04,342 --> 01:15:07,121
year, year and a half. Makes sense from a water

1067
01:15:07,222 --> 01:15:10,001
shortage perspective. We were at a critical water shortage right

1068
01:15:10,022 --> 01:15:14,001
around that time. So, uh, they do seem to align.

1069
01:15:14,001 --> 01:15:17,581
And it does appear that, um, you know, that, uh,

1070
01:15:17,942 --> 01:15:22,519
was incorporated into the consultants result of the cause. Could

1071
01:15:22,559 --> 01:15:26,919
you maybe talk with, um, public works director, Matt Williams

1072
01:15:27,340 --> 01:15:30,199
and ask him his opinion. And then someone let us

1073
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:33,319
know. I would just be curious if anyone has spoken

1074
01:15:33,420 --> 01:15:38,679
to the South Florida water management, um, organization to see

1075
01:15:39,980 --> 01:15:45,799
if there have any fault in this or if any,

1076
01:15:45,799 --> 01:15:47,799
you know, they didn't think about this maybe during that

1077
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:50,861
time when the aquifer was low. True. We can ask

1078
01:15:50,861 --> 01:15:54,334
that question. That would be great. Thank you, Mayor. Okay.

1079
01:15:57,395 --> 01:16:03,214
26. Motion to approve. Any other discussion. Sand none, Madam

1080
01:16:03,254 --> 01:16:06,542
City Clark, please call the role. Thank you. Lastra. Aye.

1081
01:16:06,723 --> 01:16:13,460
Lehman. Long. Aye. Steinky? Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk?

1082
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:17,646
Aye. Kill rain. Aye. Eight eyes motion carried. Okay. Move

1083
01:16:17,646 --> 01:16:22,286
on. Next one is resolution 231 - 26. Council member

1084
01:16:22,307 --> 01:16:26,198
long. You pulled that. I'll give you the floor. Thank

1085
01:16:26,198 --> 01:16:28,678
you, Mayor. So I had a question on this one,

1086
01:16:28,678 --> 01:16:31,078
mostly with not necessarily with regards to the subject of

1087
01:16:31,259 --> 01:16:35,778
the protest or the subject of the bid itself. But

1088
01:16:35,778 --> 01:16:39,380
the protest procedures. So I don't know Mr. Wanda. I

1089
01:16:39,380 --> 01:16:41,300
think this is probably a legal question. I don't know

1090
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:45,561
if the attorney's office is prepared. To ask. It's just

1091
01:16:46,142 --> 01:16:48,721
a, if you're reading the face of the ordinance, it

1092
01:16:48,721 --> 01:16:51,401
bit more or less is goes through our procedures, which

1093
01:16:51,401 --> 01:16:53,801
are copied from state statute with regards to Dola hearings

1094
01:16:53,822 --> 01:16:57,001
and those sorts of things. Um, it says that the

1095
01:16:57,022 --> 01:17:04,636
city council approved a resolution. Basically directing itself or the

1096
01:17:04,636 --> 01:17:11,207
city attorney's office too forward. This protest who DOA. Where

1097
01:17:11,207 --> 01:17:16,007
are we on the same page? Yes. And then the

1098
01:17:16,108 --> 01:17:18,087
factual basis, I guess that we've been provided is that.

1099
01:17:18,827 --> 01:17:24,486
You reached out to the protester, you know, as required

1100
01:17:24,526 --> 01:17:29,886
by statute in our code. To sort of mitigate or

1101
01:17:29,926 --> 01:17:33,246
mediate, so to speak. They failed to reach out to

1102
01:17:33,246 --> 01:17:36,286
you. Now you're coming back to us and under the

1103
01:17:36,286 --> 01:17:39,028
same provision. That you brought forth the resolution for us

1104
01:17:40,249 --> 01:17:42,148
to forward it to Doha. Now you're telling us to

1105
01:17:43,769 --> 01:17:48,602
not. Well, the way we're viewing it is we've tried

1106
01:17:48,703 --> 01:17:51,262
to speak with them as of July 10th. If you

1107
01:17:51,262 --> 01:17:54,122
see the attachment, uh, we emailed their lawyer. We obviously

1108
01:17:54,223 --> 01:17:58,362
can't speak with the individual. We got no response at

1109
01:17:58,402 --> 01:18:02,442
July 10th email and the telephone call that was left.

1110
01:18:02,442 --> 01:18:04,762
We then followed up with a follow - up email

1111
01:18:05,503 --> 01:18:08,602
on August 3rd again, letting them know that if, if

1112
01:18:08,642 --> 01:18:12,282
they don't engage forward, we're essentially Trinity as an abandonment

1113
01:18:12,322 --> 01:18:15,802
of that appeal of that protest. And then more importantly

1114
01:18:16,223 --> 01:18:19,242
as of last Friday, we again try to reach out

1115
01:18:19,282 --> 01:18:22,922
to the attorney for, um, the protester. And we got

1116
01:18:22,943 --> 01:18:25,242
no response letting them know that this matter was coming

1117
01:18:25,263 --> 01:18:28,762
for the council for recommendation of denial. Because at this

1118
01:18:28,762 --> 01:18:32,362
point in time, the way we're viewing it under the

1119
01:18:32,463 --> 01:18:36,762
law is they've essentially abandoned their protest and they're not

1120
01:18:36,802 --> 01:18:39,162
moving forward with it. Okay. And as you know, the

1121
01:18:39,423 --> 01:18:42,362
doe hearing is not binding on us. It's a recommendation.

1122
01:18:42,362 --> 01:18:44,602
So. That's correct. And I just, I don't want to,

1123
01:18:44,602 --> 01:18:46,842
I don't want to let stuff fall through the cracks

1124
01:18:47,103 --> 01:18:51,171
inadvertently. And skip some sort of procedural issue. Because I

1125
01:18:51,171 --> 01:18:54,651
mean, if we, if we suggested or we acknowledged or

1126
01:18:54,672 --> 01:18:57,745
directed you to forwarded to DOA. And it wasn't forwarded

1127
01:18:57,745 --> 01:19:02,035
to Doha. And I understand why. Should we, should we

1128
01:19:02,616 --> 01:19:04,115
forward it to DO and let them kick it back

1129
01:19:04,456 --> 01:19:07,155
just so that we, cause now I'm seeing that they,

1130
01:19:07,155 --> 01:19:08,395
and I'm not questioning the way you've done it. I

1131
01:19:08,395 --> 01:19:10,915
just want, I'm for the organization's sake. I see somehow

1132
01:19:11,016 --> 01:19:14,915
and I've looked through the materials that the, the notice

1133
01:19:14,955 --> 01:19:17,635
that, uh, that one of our assistant city attorney said

1134
01:19:17,635 --> 01:19:19,355
provided to them just basically saying, Hey, we're going to

1135
01:19:19,416 --> 01:19:24,207
afford a council was, uh, illegal firm. And so I

1136
01:19:24,207 --> 01:19:26,687
don't see anywhere in here that we've corresponded with them

1137
01:19:26,687 --> 01:19:28,407
prior. So if they retain counsel, I just want to

1138
01:19:28,407 --> 01:19:32,367
make sure that, cause typically an in particular shuts and

1139
01:19:32,388 --> 01:19:36,207
bowen. They're not necessarily going to fail to respond. I

1140
01:19:36,207 --> 01:19:37,967
agree with you. I don't want them to like be

1141
01:19:38,007 --> 01:19:40,847
laying and wait for us to mess up procedurally when

1142
01:19:41,108 --> 01:19:43,227
I agree we have a solid case if it was

1143
01:19:43,268 --> 01:19:44,687
afforded to do it. I don't have any issue with

1144
01:19:45,028 --> 01:19:48,653
our position. In fact, I would agree with it. I

1145
01:19:48,653 --> 01:19:51,485
just don't want to run into a position where. We

1146
01:19:51,666 --> 01:19:54,445
were supposed to send it to them because technically you're

1147
01:19:54,445 --> 01:19:56,365
supposed to send it to them within seven days if

1148
01:19:56,365 --> 01:20:00,845
they, if they requested and we didn't. Right. And it's

1149
01:20:00,885 --> 01:20:03,645
their obligation to proceed forward. I don't have a problem.

1150
01:20:03,685 --> 01:20:05,965
I, you know what I'm saying? I understand. I'm not

1151
01:20:06,005 --> 01:20:07,965
alleging that you guys did anything wrong, but I think

1152
01:20:07,986 --> 01:20:10,205
if it goes to dough it and they ignore it,

1153
01:20:10,205 --> 01:20:11,245
then that's fine. And we can say, and we can

1154
01:20:11,245 --> 01:20:13,645
wipe our hands clean of it. Um, but if Florida

1155
01:20:13,645 --> 01:20:16,685
statute says that they, if they request a formal hearing

1156
01:20:16,786 --> 01:20:18,585
that we have to advance it in seven days. And

1157
01:20:18,585 --> 01:20:20,525
then we also have a resolution where we've directed you

1158
01:20:20,525 --> 01:20:23,565
guys to advance it. Um, and it was in advanced.

1159
01:20:25,503 --> 01:20:28,602
And maybe prudent and understanding, I don't want to create

1160
01:20:28,623 --> 01:20:30,362
an issue with her. No, I'm not. It shouldn't be

1161
01:20:30,402 --> 01:20:33,962
one. Um, maybe to tie up that loose end as

1162
01:20:33,962 --> 01:20:39,530
you so maybe we reset it. For the next, maybe

1163
01:20:39,530 --> 01:20:42,490
not the next regular council, maybe the year one on.

1164
01:20:44,674 --> 01:20:50,331
October. 7th. You mean to have let's go through it

1165
01:20:50,371 --> 01:20:53,611
again. What's that? You're talking about to have counsel review

1166
01:20:53,651 --> 01:20:56,891
again? No, no, just to, to reset this resolution for

1167
01:20:56,931 --> 01:20:59,751
the October 7th regular conversation. I'll just so you can

1168
01:20:59,751 --> 01:21:03,337
look into it. That's correct. Okay. And I guess. If

1169
01:21:03,337 --> 01:21:05,017
you look and you and you determine that you want

1170
01:21:05,017 --> 01:21:06,617
to send it, we could just remove that from the

1171
01:21:06,617 --> 01:21:08,457
agenda and we'll just send it up and kick it

1172
01:21:08,457 --> 01:21:10,057
back. That way I don't want to, I don't want

1173
01:21:10,097 --> 01:21:12,857
to necessarily waste the time of not. We're going to,

1174
01:21:12,857 --> 01:21:15,577
we're going to, I'm very confident in the outcome of

1175
01:21:15,598 --> 01:21:17,257
it. I just don't want to screw it up for

1176
01:21:17,278 --> 01:21:20,057
no reason. I get it. Just because there's a question.

1177
01:21:20,078 --> 01:21:22,377
I appreciate you. You answering those questions. Yeah. If we

1178
01:21:22,377 --> 01:21:25,897
could just open and continue it to the October 7th

1179
01:21:25,918 --> 01:21:28,457
regular council meeting and then in the event that it's

1180
01:21:28,497 --> 01:21:30,777
not resolved by then, uh, then what I'll do is

1181
01:21:30,798 --> 01:21:32,857
I'll just have removed. Madam City Claire, could I make

1182
01:21:32,857 --> 01:21:35,417
that motion to continue it to said meeting for the

1183
01:21:35,417 --> 01:21:40,526
reasons stated. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Sir, a second

1184
01:21:40,526 --> 01:21:47,719
to the motion. Any other discussion. Madam City clerk, please,

1185
01:21:47,719 --> 01:21:52,713
uh, call the role for the continuance. Lastraye. Aye. Clemen.

1186
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:59,023
Aye. Long. Aye. Steinky? Aye. Donnell. Aye. Enter. Aye. Taduk?

1187
01:21:59,044 --> 01:22:03,691
Aye. Hill rain? Aye. Eight eyes motion carry. Okay. Move

1188
01:22:03,731 --> 01:22:07,891
on a resolution 241 - 26. Council member Kaduk, I

1189
01:22:07,891 --> 01:22:10,471
believe you pulled this. I'll give you the floor. Thank

1190
01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:12,631
you, Mayor. If our chief of police could just give

1191
01:22:12,631 --> 01:22:14,791
a quick overview and then I will ask my question.

1192
01:22:20,545 --> 01:22:24,284
Good evening. Anthony, size, more chief of police. Uh, the

1193
01:22:24,284 --> 01:22:27,884
overview is this is a voca grant or victim of

1194
01:22:27,985 --> 01:22:31,324
crime grant act that we've had for many, many years.

1195
01:22:31,324 --> 01:22:33,804
That is a supplemental funding source for a victim advocate

1196
01:22:33,804 --> 01:22:37,427
program. Thank you. And thank you Mr. City Manager for

1197
01:22:37,427 --> 01:22:40,787
adding what I've asked for with the reimbursement of funds.

1198
01:22:40,787 --> 01:22:43,187
So with that being said, we are now being reimbursed

1199
01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:47,373
money that we spent. Can we save this money for

1200
01:22:47,634 --> 01:22:52,055
fiscal year 2027. I will defer to the finance department

1201
01:22:52,095 --> 01:23:01,673
for that. Crystal feast financial services director. Um, this

1202
01:23:01,934 --> 01:23:04,873
particular grant is for fiscal year 27, the grant period

1203
01:23:04,894 --> 01:23:09,273
is 101, 26 through, um, next September. And so it

1204
01:23:09,313 --> 01:23:12,793
will be incorporated into next fiscal year's budget. Into the

1205
01:23:12,793 --> 01:23:14,713
budget because now we've received the money. So now we

1206
01:23:14,753 --> 01:23:17,593
actually get to move the money forward. We haven't received

1207
01:23:17,633 --> 01:23:22,626
it. So it's still reimbursement of funds. Right. So what

1208
01:23:22,647 --> 01:23:25,746
happens is as we incur the cost, we submit it

1209
01:23:25,847 --> 01:23:29,346
submitted to the grant for grantor for reimbursement. So I'll

1210
01:23:29,346 --> 01:23:32,466
see it for budget moment four. Nope. The funds will

1211
01:23:32,466 --> 01:23:35,266
be the grant funds will be incorporated into the budget.

1212
01:23:35,266 --> 01:23:38,306
So we will already have those funds budgeted, um, and

1213
01:23:38,567 --> 01:23:41,586
the associated expenditures. Okay. Sorry. I'm going to just pick

1214
01:23:41,626 --> 01:23:43,186
your brain just a little bit more because I'm thinking

1215
01:23:43,226 --> 01:23:46,911
like a normal person. If you're incorporating it into the

1216
01:23:46,911 --> 01:23:49,791
budget and we've already spent the money and you're being

1217
01:23:49,892 --> 01:23:52,842
reimbursed. We haven't already spent the money. Then how are

1218
01:23:52,842 --> 01:23:56,762
you being reimbursed once we do incur those personnel costs.

1219
01:23:57,311 --> 01:24:01,210
We will then submit a reimbursement request to the grantor.

1220
01:24:01,210 --> 01:24:03,450
And then they will then provide us with the grant

1221
01:24:03,471 --> 01:24:09,852
funds. But because we are approving this ahead of time,

1222
01:24:09,852 --> 01:24:12,812
we can then incorporate that into the budget so it's

1223
01:24:12,812 --> 01:24:16,092
part of our spending plan for next fiscal year. Okay.

1224
01:24:17,177 --> 01:24:21,712
So we're not really being reimbursed. Well, we are. Can

1225
01:24:21,712 --> 01:24:22,832
you say it in a different way? Try to help

1226
01:24:22,832 --> 01:24:27,792
me understand. So we are being reimbursed as far from

1227
01:24:28,213 --> 01:24:33,232
like, um, curly experiments. But we're spending the money and

1228
01:24:33,272 --> 01:24:36,340
we're budgeting the money. So we're. How are we being

1229
01:24:36,441 --> 01:24:39,780
reimbursed? Because we will incur the expenses up front before

1230
01:24:39,881 --> 01:24:44,260
we actually receive cash, those grant funds. Right. Okay. So

1231
01:24:44,281 --> 01:24:47,540
we're in current cars. We're going to pay for it.

1232
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:50,380
Exactly. And so then this is going to reimburse it.

1233
01:24:51,228 --> 01:24:55,175
But that money was already spent. So I'm asking, can

1234
01:24:55,215 --> 01:24:59,476
we move that money once we have it. Cause it's

1235
01:24:59,516 --> 01:25:01,396
not like a zero sum balance, right? It doesn't just

1236
01:25:01,897 --> 01:25:05,926
zero itself out. So what's different is. In the budget,

1237
01:25:05,926 --> 01:25:09,446
the spending plan, we're budgeting those expenditures or budgeted using

1238
01:25:09,707 --> 01:25:12,966
grant funds. So it's not like we're using local general

1239
01:25:12,966 --> 01:25:16,806
fund revenue or local revenue to pay for those expenditures

1240
01:25:16,907 --> 01:25:18,886
first and then get reversed. We're going to see this

1241
01:25:18,886 --> 01:25:20,326
in the general fund. I would just see this in

1242
01:25:20,366 --> 01:25:25,743
a grant fund. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Oh, the lights

1243
01:25:25,783 --> 01:25:28,783
are entertain a motion for resolution 241 - 26. Push

1244
01:25:28,783 --> 01:25:34,814
into approve. Second. Any other discussion. Saying, no, Madam City

1245
01:25:34,835 --> 01:25:40,554
Clark, please call the role. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long.

1246
01:25:41,474 --> 01:25:47,133
Steinkey? Aye. Donnell? Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kill rain.

1247
01:25:47,173 --> 01:25:51,453
Aye. Eight eyes, motion carried. Okay. 9B is appointment subordi.

1248
01:25:51,453 --> 01:25:55,373
We do not have anything listed. 10C is unfinished business.

1249
01:25:55,373 --> 01:25:57,693
C1 is follow - up items for council. There's none

1250
01:25:57,733 --> 01:26:00,733
listed. Uh, C2 is follow - up items for city

1251
01:26:00,773 --> 01:26:05,053
manager. Management. There's nothing listed there. Uh, item D is

1252
01:26:05,093 --> 01:26:08,573
new business, non - listed. Item 11 is ordinance and

1253
01:26:08,573 --> 01:26:13,053
resolutions, first of which is 11a quasi - judicial hearings.

1254
01:26:13,053 --> 01:26:16,573
There are no quasi - judicial hearings tonight. So we'll

1255
01:26:16,613 --> 01:26:21,213
move on to 11b, which are legislative public hearings first,

1256
01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:24,813
of which as ordinance 45 - 26, Madam City clerk,

1257
01:26:24,813 --> 01:26:28,973
please read title. Ordinance 45 - 26, an ordinance of

1258
01:26:28,973 --> 01:26:31,453
the mayor and city council of the city of Cape

1259
01:26:31,493 --> 01:26:35,053
Coral, Florida, amending the city of Cape Coral, Florida, land

1260
01:26:35,053 --> 01:26:40,733
development code by amending section 5. 2. 1 general requirements.

1261
01:26:40,733 --> 01:26:45,453
And section 5. 2. 4 attached and detached garages. As

1262
01:26:45,474 --> 01:26:49,613
set forth within Article 5, Development Standards Chapter 2, Accessory

1263
01:26:49,653 --> 01:26:54,093
Structures. We're guarding attached and detached garages, providing for several

1264
01:26:54,274 --> 01:26:58,571
ability and an effective date. I'll turn it over to

1265
01:26:58,672 --> 01:27:01,211
chat. Okay. Good evening, Mayor City Council for the record,

1266
01:27:01,211 --> 01:27:03,851
Chad Boykour, Principal Planner of the City's Plain Division. This

1267
01:27:03,851 --> 01:27:07,851
is an amendment to our LDC. It deals with attach

1268
01:27:07,891 --> 01:27:13,211
and detached garages. Uh, the sections affected our 521A 524.

1269
01:27:13,211 --> 01:27:16,251
What we're doing is we're fixing a internal inconsistency with

1270
01:27:16,272 --> 01:27:19,371
some of our language. We're allowing an additional height increase

1271
01:27:19,411 --> 01:27:23,131
for detached garages. Uh, we are also clarifying some language

1272
01:27:23,152 --> 01:27:27,291
within 524 and then some additional language for that extra

1273
01:27:27,312 --> 01:27:31,718
height. Uh, the first thing we're doing is fixing a

1274
01:27:31,819 --> 01:27:35,158
inconsistency within our lane development code. One part of our

1275
01:27:35,899 --> 01:27:39,958
code required a 20 yard rear 20 foot rear yard

1276
01:27:39,958 --> 01:27:43,798
setback for, uh, detached garages. Another only had a 10

1277
01:27:43,798 --> 01:27:46,278
foot. We always go text over table. So what we're

1278
01:27:46,278 --> 01:27:49,518
doing is just adding, um, the table. We're going to

1279
01:27:49,579 --> 01:27:51,798
make, so it's 20 feet. We were enforcing a 20

1280
01:27:51,838 --> 01:27:54,358
foot rear setback. Uh, this is just a fix any

1281
01:27:54,398 --> 01:27:58,038
issues with, uh, the code going forward. Also within this

1282
01:27:58,078 --> 01:28:00,838
table, we are going to increase the height for detached

1283
01:28:00,878 --> 01:28:04,518
garage to 16 feet from 14 feet. Have some research

1284
01:28:05,099 --> 01:28:07,878
as to why we are doing that. Uh, most average

1285
01:28:07,979 --> 01:28:11,038
height for RVs is between 11 to 13 feet. I

1286
01:28:11,038 --> 01:28:13,398
suppose you could have some that exceed that. We have

1287
01:28:13,499 --> 01:28:16,098
a chart that's in front of you that details, um,

1288
01:28:16,299 --> 01:28:18,258
all the way from the travel trailers all the way

1289
01:28:18,258 --> 01:28:20,838
up to the class A motorhomes, which are about 13

1290
01:28:21,019 --> 01:28:24,598
and a half feet. And talking to contractors and builders

1291
01:28:24,638 --> 01:28:28,358
around the area, um, to avoid some of these attached

1292
01:28:28,398 --> 01:28:31,638
garages that have these long breezeways, uh, that the breeze

1293
01:28:31,659 --> 01:28:34,518
weights may be somewhat unnecessary and they're only installing them

1294
01:28:34,518 --> 01:28:37,238
to have the additional height. We figured what we could

1295
01:28:37,278 --> 01:28:39,478
do is we could add the two feet, the detach

1296
01:28:39,518 --> 01:28:42,358
garages, hopefully clear up a lot of, um, the issues

1297
01:28:42,358 --> 01:28:44,678
that we have with the breezeways so that people can

1298
01:28:44,718 --> 01:28:47,398
put their RVs in there just within the detached garage

1299
01:28:47,819 --> 01:28:49,398
and not have to go through the extra expense of

1300
01:28:49,438 --> 01:28:52,338
constructing that breezeway from the house to the garage. Uh,

1301
01:28:52,338 --> 01:28:54,998
so what we're doing is that 16 feet should clear

1302
01:28:55,038 --> 01:28:57,478
up most of the issues. Um, it's possible that people

1303
01:28:57,579 --> 01:29:00,998
still, um, may have an RV that's bigger than that.

1304
01:29:00,998 --> 01:29:02,838
But hopefully the 16 feet will get them the way

1305
01:29:02,838 --> 01:29:04,598
they need to go. Uh, also what we're looking to

1306
01:29:04,598 --> 01:29:09,318
do is clarify something that occasionally trips builders up and

1307
01:29:09,358 --> 01:29:12,518
homeowners up is that we are, uh, specifying the minimum

1308
01:29:12,699 --> 01:29:15,238
dimensions of garages. We're used to say that it was

1309
01:29:15,339 --> 01:29:18,338
a minimum dimension of 14 feet by 20 feet. You

1310
01:29:18,338 --> 01:29:21,158
can interpret that as, uh, the 14 feet was the

1311
01:29:21,179 --> 01:29:23,078
depth rather than the width. What we're going to do

1312
01:29:23,078 --> 01:29:25,638
is here and say is that the 14, it's 14

1313
01:29:25,678 --> 01:29:28,198
feet in width and 20 feet of depth for of

1314
01:29:28,219 --> 01:29:32,038
unaffected space for garages, uh, that should hopefully, uh, clear

1315
01:29:32,078 --> 01:29:35,398
up any, any sort of confusion we had with builders

1316
01:29:35,438 --> 01:29:39,078
and homeowners going forward. Um, and then lastly, we're also

1317
01:29:39,118 --> 01:29:42,598
doing that with the breezeway as well, because we didn't

1318
01:29:42,638 --> 01:29:45,558
specify width and length. And here for the breezeways, we're

1319
01:29:45,558 --> 01:29:47,718
going to establish that the breezeways, if you were going

1320
01:29:47,718 --> 01:29:51,078
to attach your garage, our four feet in width and

1321
01:29:51,078 --> 01:29:53,238
eight feet in length. And I'm here for any further

1322
01:29:53,259 --> 01:29:58,296
questions. Okay. Thank you. Uh, public hearing, any one wishing

1323
01:29:58,296 --> 01:30:00,776
to speak on ordinance 45 - 26, please come forward.

1324
01:30:02,813 --> 01:30:04,952
Saying none public hearing, are you coming.

1325
01:30:14,839 --> 01:30:19,745
My question. Is this. If you're changing the height and

1326
01:30:19,785 --> 01:30:23,025
what happens if somebody needs an extra foot, are you

1327
01:30:23,065 --> 01:30:24,465
going to tell them they can't do it? I mean,

1328
01:30:24,505 --> 01:30:27,825
this is really kind of invasive. If I had to

1329
01:30:27,865 --> 01:30:32,545
build a garage for an RV, um, I'm just curious.

1330
01:30:32,545 --> 01:30:34,945
Is this just restricting it if they need any more?

1331
01:30:34,945 --> 01:30:39,579
There's no leeway. This is it. Uh, yeah, I mean,

1332
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,499
we set standards for setbacks height, all, you know, all

1333
01:30:43,539 --> 01:30:45,819
through our code. This would give them the extra two

1334
01:30:45,859 --> 01:30:49,099
feet. If they needed, if they were looking to detach

1335
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,699
garage at a height greater than 16 feet, then they

1336
01:30:52,699 --> 01:30:55,099
could either apply for a variance, which is within our

1337
01:30:55,099 --> 01:30:58,859
code that goes before the hearing examiner, uh, or they

1338
01:30:58,859 --> 01:31:02,379
could build the attached garage, which has a maximum height

1339
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,499
of 30 to 35 feet. Is there a reason for

1340
01:31:05,539 --> 01:31:10,293
that maximum height. Why did you pick that particular height?

1341
01:31:10,293 --> 01:31:14,373
I mean, houses don't have maximum heights. Apartments don't. What's

1342
01:31:14,634 --> 01:31:19,413
the reason? Actually, single family homes do have maximum heights.

1343
01:31:19,754 --> 01:31:21,893
I'm not saying, but it's not 16 feet. I'm just

1344
01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:25,259
asking, what was the reason? Chad, Chad. Can you let

1345
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,859
the resident ask their questions and then respond later? Okay.

1346
01:31:28,859 --> 01:31:30,699
Oh, you don't have to answer now? I didn't know

1347
01:31:30,699 --> 01:31:33,336
that. I asked all your questions and didn't hold it.

1348
01:31:33,376 --> 01:31:36,517
So I just curious, you picked a height. What was

1349
01:31:36,557 --> 01:31:40,757
the reason for that height? And if somebody needed more

1350
01:31:40,797 --> 01:31:42,757
than that, you just said they had to go for

1351
01:31:43,018 --> 01:31:47,477
a variance. But what determined that particular, who determined that?

1352
01:31:47,517 --> 01:31:51,637
Was it safety reason or just, that was it? Was

1353
01:31:51,658 --> 01:31:54,037
it for a safety reason hurricane reasons? What was the

1354
01:31:54,037 --> 01:31:56,597
reason? Is that all your comments? That's it. All right.

1355
01:31:56,597 --> 01:32:01,490
Thank you. Go ahead, Chad. Are we referencing the 14

1356
01:32:01,530 --> 01:32:04,850
feet height for detached garages that I think our question

1357
01:32:04,850 --> 01:32:08,370
was how did we determine 35 feet as that? For

1358
01:32:08,410 --> 01:32:10,770
Singapami Holmes, I think that was 30 feet for the

1359
01:32:10,770 --> 01:32:15,150
garage. Single flame homes are 30, I want to say

1360
01:32:15,150 --> 01:32:18,690
35 feet. And that has been usually around two and

1361
01:32:18,690 --> 01:32:20,850
a half stories, which is a standard height. It's been

1362
01:32:20,850 --> 01:32:24,910
that way within Cape Coral for 30, 40 years. Uh,

1363
01:32:25,271 --> 01:32:27,650
deed chat garage height of 14 feet had been that

1364
01:32:27,650 --> 01:32:30,930
way. Uh, in terms of just not having some, it's

1365
01:32:30,930 --> 01:32:32,530
an accessory structure. So we don't want to have an

1366
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:35,730
accessory structure that has, um, the same height as a,

1367
01:32:35,730 --> 01:32:37,330
as a single flame at home. Generally, you want those

1368
01:32:37,370 --> 01:32:39,490
to be a little lower. Um, and then the 16

1369
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:42,050
feet was based upon the research that we did to

1370
01:32:42,090 --> 01:32:44,610
allow for most of the RVs to fit comfortably within

1371
01:32:44,650 --> 01:32:47,650
those detached garages. And if I recall, we actually increase

1372
01:32:47,671 --> 01:32:51,642
that. Height. We would have to based on Senate Bill

1373
01:32:51,682 --> 01:32:54,842
180. We cannot be more restrictive. We're actually loosening the

1374
01:32:54,882 --> 01:32:59,188
restrictions here. That's right. Okay. Anybody else wishing to speak

1375
01:32:59,769 --> 01:33:06,182
on, uh, ordinance 45 - 26, please come forward. Saying

1376
01:33:06,182 --> 01:33:10,582
none public hearing is now closed. Motion to approve ordinance

1377
01:33:10,683 --> 01:33:14,467
4526. All right. And I'll open it up for council

1378
01:33:14,467 --> 01:33:19,334
discussion. Council members thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Just a

1379
01:33:19,334 --> 01:33:23,174
quick question. And obviously you shared your research with us

1380
01:33:23,195 --> 01:33:27,254
for those types of vehicles that were given that extra

1381
01:33:27,355 --> 01:33:32,214
height for, obviously. Other than just that data that you

1382
01:33:32,235 --> 01:33:35,894
provided us with, did we involve the construction industry at

1383
01:33:35,934 --> 01:33:39,254
all in our thought process around this and get feedback

1384
01:33:39,294 --> 01:33:42,454
from them? We did ask, uh, couple of contractors around

1385
01:33:42,494 --> 01:33:45,014
the city. I couldn't recall this. You know, we had

1386
01:33:45,014 --> 01:33:46,934
done this research a little while ago. Uh, we did

1387
01:33:47,035 --> 01:33:49,174
ask some of the contractors that did a lot of

1388
01:33:49,515 --> 01:33:54,614
the detached garage construction. And most of them that I,

1389
01:33:54,614 --> 01:33:56,934
that I spoke to in doing this research said that

1390
01:33:56,955 --> 01:33:59,494
the 16 feet should accommodate most of the work that

1391
01:33:59,534 --> 01:34:03,159
they're looking to do for the RVs. Okay. Thank you.

1392
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:06,279
Okay. See, no other lights on. We got a motion

1393
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:10,519
in second, Madam City clerk, please call the role. Lastra.

1394
01:34:10,519 --> 01:34:18,155
Aye. Lehman. Long. Steinkee. Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter. Kadoo? Aye.

1395
01:34:18,336 --> 01:34:21,755
Kill rain. All right. Eight eyes motion carried. Okay. Move

1396
01:34:21,755 --> 01:34:24,715
on to ordinance 51 - 26, Madam City clerk. Please

1397
01:34:24,755 --> 01:34:29,260
read title. Ordinance 51 - 26. An ordinance of the

1398
01:34:29,281 --> 01:34:32,060
mayor and city council of the city of Cape Coral,

1399
01:34:32,060 --> 01:34:36,780
Florida, approving the Second Amendment of conservation easement, passive recreational

1400
01:34:36,961 --> 01:34:40,220
uses at yellow fever creek preserve. Between the city of

1401
01:34:40,481 --> 01:34:43,980
Cape Coral, Florida and the South Florida water management district.

1402
01:34:44,001 --> 01:34:48,381
Authorizing the mayor to execute the Second Amendment. Providing for

1403
01:34:48,421 --> 01:34:51,980
several ability and an effective date. Okay, thank you, alternative

1404
01:34:52,161 --> 01:34:56,790
staff. Good evening, Mayor City Council members. Don Andrews with

1405
01:34:56,830 --> 01:35:02,311
the public works real estate division. Ordinance 51 - 26

1406
01:35:02,572 --> 01:35:06,391
authorizes the Mayor to execute the Second Amendment of conservation

1407
01:35:06,431 --> 01:35:12,071
easement at Yellow Fever Creek preserved to permit passive recreational

1408
01:35:12,572 --> 01:35:18,071
uses necessary for the construction of three boardwalks and associated

1409
01:35:18,332 --> 01:35:23,911
viewing platforms. Yellow fever creek preserve is located in northeast

1410
01:35:24,092 --> 01:35:30,866
Cape Coral on approximately 198 acres. In 1997, the city

1411
01:35:30,887 --> 01:35:34,866
granted a conservation easement over portions of the yellow fever

1412
01:35:34,887 --> 01:35:39,896
creek preserved parcel. To South Florida water management district as

1413
01:35:39,997 --> 01:35:45,016
required mitigation for the construction of the Dell Prado North

1414
01:35:45,016 --> 01:35:51,585
Boulevard extension. In 2019, the city entered into an interlocal

1415
01:35:51,585 --> 01:35:55,825
agreement with Lee County for the design construction and operation

1416
01:35:55,865 --> 01:35:59,185
of a water management system. That was the large pond

1417
01:35:59,846 --> 01:36:04,271
that recently was built. Connecting yellow fever creek system to

1418
01:36:04,292 --> 01:36:09,631
the Weir 29 system to create an interconnect system facilitating

1419
01:36:09,652 --> 01:36:15,376
the conveyance of excess water flow in 2021. The city

1420
01:36:15,416 --> 01:36:18,896
approved the First Amendment to the conservation easement adding the

1421
01:36:19,077 --> 01:36:22,176
U. S. Army Course of Engineers as a third party

1422
01:36:22,197 --> 01:36:26,816
beneficiary. The city has received a tourist development grant to

1423
01:36:26,917 --> 01:36:31,696
construct the three boardwalks, each having a viewing platform within

1424
01:36:31,696 --> 01:36:35,776
the conservation easement area. The construction of the boardwalks has

1425
01:36:35,797 --> 01:36:38,656
created the need to amend the conservation easement for the

1426
01:36:38,837 --> 01:36:43,549
second time. I can stand by for questions. Okay, thank

1427
01:36:43,549 --> 01:36:45,709
you. I'll now open up public hearing in one wish

1428
01:36:45,709 --> 01:36:48,749
and a speaker and ordinance 51 - 26. Please come

1429
01:36:48,789 --> 01:36:58,748
forward. You have a question. Please, Owen. Does

1430
01:36:58,788 --> 01:37:02,588
this amendment authorize only the specific passive recreational improvements being

1431
01:37:02,689 --> 01:37:06,108
proposed or doesn't give great broader authority for future development

1432
01:37:06,209 --> 01:37:11,391
within the conservation easement. This distinction matters. If the amendment

1433
01:37:11,431 --> 01:37:14,991
is narrowly narrowed limited to boardwalks and viewing platforms and

1434
01:37:15,012 --> 01:37:17,391
related passive recreation, this looks like a good use of

1435
01:37:17,412 --> 01:37:21,001
grant funding. And appropriate way to improve public access to

1436
01:37:21,001 --> 01:37:24,389
the preserve. If it opens the door to a broader

1437
01:37:24,429 --> 01:37:27,509
development later, counsel should know exactly what authorities granted before

1438
01:37:27,610 --> 01:37:30,709
voting. Support the project, but protect the easement and answer

1439
01:37:30,730 --> 01:37:35,925
the scope question first. Thank you. Anyone wishing, uh, else

1440
01:37:35,965 --> 01:37:40,132
wish to speak on ordinance 51 - 26. See a

1441
01:37:40,172 --> 01:37:42,612
numb public hearing is now closed. I'll entertain a motion

1442
01:37:42,633 --> 01:37:50,110
regarding ordinance 51 - 26. Motion to approve. Second. And,

1443
01:37:50,110 --> 01:37:52,110
uh, council members, thank you. Is that light on from

1444
01:37:52,110 --> 01:37:54,958
before? Do you have a. Sir. Thank you, Mayor. Uh,

1445
01:37:54,998 --> 01:37:58,638
I just wanted to publicly recognize the support that we

1446
01:37:58,678 --> 01:38:01,518
received from the tourist development council. And that's something that

1447
01:38:01,558 --> 01:38:03,278
we'd worked on in the past or request that we

1448
01:38:03,318 --> 01:38:06,938
made that was, uh, uh, fully approved. And so, uh,

1449
01:38:06,938 --> 01:38:09,838
thanks to the county and TDC for providing the funding

1450
01:38:09,878 --> 01:38:12,078
for the boardwalks that are going to go into that

1451
01:38:12,078 --> 01:38:15,647
spot. That's it. See, now the lights on Madam City

1452
01:38:15,668 --> 01:38:22,384
clerk, please call a roll. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long.

1453
01:38:22,485 --> 01:38:28,498
Aye. Steinkey? Aye. Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kilrain?

1454
01:38:28,679 --> 01:38:31,778
Aye. Eight eyes, motion carried. Hey, move on item 11

1455
01:38:31,799 --> 01:38:35,298
C introductions, first of which is ordinance 51 - 26.

1456
01:38:35,298 --> 01:38:37,458
Madam City clerk. Please read title set to public hearing

1457
01:38:37,498 --> 01:38:42,843
date. Ordinance 50 - 26. An ordinance of the mayor

1458
01:38:43,024 --> 01:38:45,403
and city council of the city of Cape Coral, Florida

1459
01:38:45,584 --> 01:38:50,043
authorizing the issuance of not to exceed. 10, 100, 000

1460
01:38:50,083 --> 01:38:54,043
dollars in principle amount of a stormwater utility revenue bond

1461
01:38:54,064 --> 01:38:57,243
of the city of Cape Coral, Florida. To finance costs

1462
01:38:57,243 --> 01:39:01,243
of the acquisition, construction, and equipping of various capital improvements

1463
01:39:01,504 --> 01:39:05,803
to the city's stormwater utility system. Pledging the here and

1464
01:39:05,803 --> 01:39:08,443
described pledged funds to secure the payment of the debt

1465
01:39:08,483 --> 01:39:11,323
service on the bond, providing for certain rights of the

1466
01:39:11,344 --> 01:39:14,443
holders of the bond and providing an effective date. The

1467
01:39:14,624 --> 01:39:20,214
public hearing will be September 16, 2026. Okay, thank you.

1468
01:39:20,214 --> 01:39:23,376
Any discussion by staff or council. See, a numb will

1469
01:39:23,376 --> 01:39:27,376
move on to ordinance 52 - 26 Madam City clerk.

1470
01:39:27,376 --> 01:39:31,139
There's read title set to public hearing date. Ordinance 52

1471
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,339
- 26, an ordinance of the mayor and city council

1472
01:39:34,379 --> 01:39:37,699
of the city of Cape Coral, Florida. Amending ordinance number

1473
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:43,459
23 - 04, ordinance number 56 - 07, an ordinance

1474
01:39:43,499 --> 01:39:46,499
number 31 - 24 of the city of Cape Coral,

1475
01:39:46,499 --> 01:39:50,259
Florida to increase the aggregate principal amount of commercial paper

1476
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:54,499
obligations that may be outstanding under the city's commercial paper

1477
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:59,299
program at any one time from 150 million dollars to

1478
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,719
500 million dollars and providing for an effective date. The

1479
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:07,552
public hearing will be September 16, 2026. Thank you. Any

1480
01:40:07,552 --> 01:40:12,521
discussion by staff or council. Council Member Kadu. Thank you,

1481
01:40:12,561 --> 01:40:17,259
Mayor. Okay. I did a lot of research on this.

1482
01:40:17,259 --> 01:40:22,219
I watched the May 1st, 2024 video, which had ordinance

1483
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:25,819
31 - 24. And in my humble opinion, I think

1484
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,684
staff should update that briefing. And at the very least,

1485
01:40:29,785 --> 01:40:32,724
have it as backup, but also brief the public on

1486
01:40:32,724 --> 01:40:36,164
it. Uh, I watched the whole meeting. It was good.

1487
01:40:36,164 --> 01:40:38,384
It addressed the amount, and that was lowering it. And

1488
01:40:38,384 --> 01:40:42,404
now we're raising it. So does this include any funds

1489
01:40:42,444 --> 01:40:47,585
for the yacht club. Festival park, Bimini East. If you

1490
01:40:47,585 --> 01:40:49,905
could answer, that would help, because I have more questions.

1491
01:40:51,590 --> 01:41:01,242
UEP. So this increase to 350 million is specifically related

1492
01:41:01,263 --> 01:41:09,082
to our revenue sufficiency study that was presented in May.

1493
01:41:09,082 --> 01:41:12,762
I'm sorry, in April, where counsel was presented with some

1494
01:41:12,783 --> 01:41:18,528
options for funding. Future projects for the utility system. Um,

1495
01:41:19,289 --> 01:41:22,148
at that time, we got a consensus to move forward

1496
01:41:22,188 --> 01:41:25,268
with the commercial paper program to fund a number of

1497
01:41:25,308 --> 01:41:28,308
those projects within that, um, that. So it's water and

1498
01:41:28,348 --> 01:41:32,128
sewer related projects, not UEP projects. Not yacht club. Not

1499
01:41:32,169 --> 01:41:37,108
yacht club. The 350 million dollar increase is specific to

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01:41:37,289 --> 01:41:39,828
water and sewer. Perfect. Just because we had a speaker

1501
01:41:39,849 --> 01:41:42,148
in public input ask about that. I wanted to clear

1502
01:41:42,148 --> 01:41:46,887
that up. Sorry to jump around ADHD style, but Bimini

1503
01:41:46,908 --> 01:41:52,087
East is on commercial paper, correct? The funding used to

1504
01:41:52,087 --> 01:41:55,847
purchase that property was through commercial paper. Okay. When I

1505
01:41:55,948 --> 01:41:59,367
watched back the May 1st, 2024 video ordered into 31

1506
01:41:59,407 --> 01:42:02,487
- 24. Mr. Mason said that commercial paper is only

1507
01:42:02,487 --> 01:42:05,447
good for 270 days. It's usually a three to nine

1508
01:42:05,487 --> 01:42:09,207
month period. How are we doing that with Bimini East?

1509
01:42:09,207 --> 01:42:15,068
It's a rolling paper. Or how does that work. So,

1510
01:42:15,089 --> 01:42:21,468
yes, each obligation is, has a maturity. We set by

1511
01:42:22,689 --> 01:42:25,708
myself, uh, and the financial advisors we determined. So we've

1512
01:42:25,708 --> 01:42:28,108
been rolling it for a certain period of time, depending

1513
01:42:28,108 --> 01:42:32,348
on the market. Um, within the commercial paper program as

1514
01:42:32,348 --> 01:42:37,468
a whole is 270 days, um, within it, each obligation,

1515
01:42:37,468 --> 01:42:40,428
um, for instance, for Bimini East, we've took out a

1516
01:42:40,428 --> 01:42:44,268
total of, you know, 46 million. That has been rolled

1517
01:42:44,289 --> 01:42:48,828
for certain period of time based on staff, our management,

1518
01:42:48,828 --> 01:42:50,748
uh, direction. Thank you. I know that has nothing to

1519
01:42:50,748 --> 01:42:52,508
do with this one because it's water and sewer, but,

1520
01:42:52,508 --> 01:42:55,108
um, I just wanted to learn about commercial paper. So

1521
01:42:55,108 --> 01:43:00,282
how does commercial paper interest only payments. Factor into our

1522
01:43:00,322 --> 01:43:07,753
budgeting funding amounts. So for the existing obligations under the

1523
01:43:07,793 --> 01:43:12,953
commercial paper, we're able to estimate annual interest payments based

1524
01:43:12,953 --> 01:43:16,453
on how long we expect to keep those funds, are

1525
01:43:16,453 --> 01:43:19,353
those obligations within the commercial paper program. So it's part

1526
01:43:19,353 --> 01:43:23,193
of the budget we estimate those annual payments. Okay. Not

1527
01:43:23,193 --> 01:43:25,753
annual, but on an annual basis, but the interest payment.

1528
01:43:25,934 --> 01:43:28,473
Yeah, it's monthly, interestingly. I get it. How does commercial

1529
01:43:28,513 --> 01:43:35,048
paper impact our credit limit. Uh, it's factored in. And

1530
01:43:35,048 --> 01:43:38,428
when we do, you know, the analysis, our debt capacity

1531
01:43:38,449 --> 01:43:42,953
analysis, it's part of that. Okay. I also saw an

1532
01:43:42,974 --> 01:43:47,513
ordinance 31 - 24 that every tranche would come forward.

1533
01:43:47,513 --> 01:43:49,513
And this is, I wrote down exactly what Mark said.

1534
01:43:49,553 --> 01:43:53,113
Every tranche would come forward, every project would come forward.

1535
01:43:53,113 --> 01:43:56,873
And it would be a new ordinance authorizing the use.

1536
01:43:56,873 --> 01:43:59,485
Is that still going to be correct for this. Yeah.

1537
01:43:59,485 --> 01:44:03,405
So as an example of that, um, there have been

1538
01:44:04,786 --> 01:44:09,405
either four or five authorizing ordinances after we reestablish the

1539
01:44:09,445 --> 01:44:13,085
commercial paper program. There have been about four or five

1540
01:44:13,106 --> 01:44:19,545
authorizing ordinances that we've brought forward for future fire, um,

1541
01:44:19,666 --> 01:44:26,845
facilities, um, vehicles, excuse me, park facility improvements, um, so

1542
01:44:26,885 --> 01:44:30,325
separate or authorizing ordinances have been brought forward already. So

1543
01:44:30,386 --> 01:44:33,885
the plan for this 350 million dollar increase is to

1544
01:44:33,885 --> 01:44:37,565
do the same. It will most likely just be one,

1545
01:44:37,565 --> 01:44:43,165
um, authorizing ordinance for water and sewer improvement projects since

1546
01:44:43,165 --> 01:44:46,845
it's one category of projects. It will most likely just

1547
01:44:46,866 --> 01:44:49,965
be one. But yes, that will come forward. Thank you.

1548
01:44:49,965 --> 01:44:52,445
And just to be clear, I think I know the

1549
01:44:52,466 --> 01:44:55,485
answer, but I just want everyone to understand ordinance 52

1550
01:44:55,586 --> 01:45:00,045
- 26, this intro is specific to water and sewer.

1551
01:45:00,045 --> 01:45:07,190
UEP. The commercial paper, no. So it's not UEP, it's

1552
01:45:07,291 --> 01:45:11,350
specific to the increase capital projects. Yes. Copper projects. Okay.

1553
01:45:12,011 --> 01:45:15,990
The RO expansion. Um, and so when I say UEP,

1554
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:17,510
I want to make sure that you and I are

1555
01:45:17,550 --> 01:45:22,270
talking about the same thing. Assessment, the assessment portion, it

1556
01:45:22,270 --> 01:45:24,710
would not fund any of that because obviously that's funded

1557
01:45:24,710 --> 01:45:27,990
by the assessments. The annual assessments that residents will pay.

1558
01:45:28,011 --> 01:45:30,070
That's what I mean by it does not include that

1559
01:45:30,251 --> 01:45:33,830
portion. Understood is there may be projects within a UEP

1560
01:45:33,870 --> 01:45:37,430
area that our water and sewer related that aren't assessment

1561
01:45:37,531 --> 01:45:40,470
funded. Um, that could very well fall into this category.

1562
01:45:40,491 --> 01:45:43,510
Perfect. Thank you so much for the explanation. Council Member

1563
01:45:43,531 --> 01:45:46,870
Kilring. Yeah. I just want to jump in here and

1564
01:45:46,910 --> 01:45:49,910
mention that. I don't know of any other more effective

1565
01:45:50,571 --> 01:45:54,790
or cost effect. The mechanism, then commercial paper for funding

1566
01:45:54,971 --> 01:45:58,790
short term debt requirements. And it is truncated and must

1567
01:45:58,790 --> 01:46:03,350
be turned and rolled over periodically. And, uh, the key

1568
01:46:03,451 --> 01:46:06,150
to it is, uh, that analysis which we had done

1569
01:46:06,811 --> 01:46:09,670
earlier in the year. And I agree with that. It

1570
01:46:09,670 --> 01:46:12,470
should be repeated to updated. Uh, I think that it's

1571
01:46:12,510 --> 01:46:17,030
important to make sure our debt service ratio, uh, on

1572
01:46:17,030 --> 01:46:21,150
our coverage is within a compatible area for ourselves. So

1573
01:46:21,150 --> 01:46:25,030
we don't lose our bond ratings. Um, and just from

1574
01:46:25,070 --> 01:46:28,950
my recall, for my, what I can remember, uh, back

1575
01:46:29,611 --> 01:46:33,510
in my private days, uh, if you got over a

1576
01:46:33,531 --> 01:46:37,110
one and a quarter, you're okay. A one and a

1577
01:46:37,110 --> 01:46:41,970
half debt service ratio, uh, is, is pretty good. And

1578
01:46:42,251 --> 01:46:45,190
two is kind of like a rated. And you get

1579
01:46:46,331 --> 01:46:48,030
in order to get a AAA, you got to be

1580
01:46:48,030 --> 01:46:51,590
up around two eight death coverage. Uh, so I, that's

1581
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:54,710
the parameters that they typically look at. I forget what,

1582
01:46:54,710 --> 01:46:56,790
uh, we were in pretty good shape at that last

1583
01:46:56,811 --> 01:47:00,670
one, but we're expanding it now. You know, it'd be

1584
01:47:00,670 --> 01:47:03,030
appropriate probably to look at that again and just see

1585
01:47:03,131 --> 01:47:05,910
where we're at. So that makes me feel comfortable with

1586
01:47:06,251 --> 01:47:08,470
where we're at and where we're proceeding so. Thank you.

1587
01:47:08,491 --> 01:47:11,614
Thank you, Mayor. Council Member Last. Thank you, Mayor. And

1588
01:47:11,614 --> 01:47:13,474
just real quick, Crystal, I just want to clarify for

1589
01:47:13,514 --> 01:47:16,974
the public, as you explained it to me yesterday, um,

1590
01:47:16,974 --> 01:47:20,514
it is more, uh, cost effective as Council Member Kilrin

1591
01:47:20,615 --> 01:47:24,594
just stated, um, in terms of commercial paper versus bonds

1592
01:47:24,855 --> 01:47:27,474
because we get to draw on it as we go.

1593
01:47:27,474 --> 01:47:29,394
Correct. Whereas in a bond, we got to take all

1594
01:47:29,394 --> 01:47:31,554
that money up front and then boom, we're paying that

1595
01:47:31,655 --> 01:47:33,934
interest. And this lets us do it a little bit

1596
01:47:33,934 --> 01:47:36,354
by little bit, correct? That's correct. We would only pay

1597
01:47:36,455 --> 01:47:39,474
interest on what we borrow at that time versus the

1598
01:47:39,575 --> 01:47:41,794
whole amount of. Thank you for letting me break it

1599
01:47:41,794 --> 01:47:46,354
down. So simply, thank you, Mayor. Can I follow up

1600
01:47:46,375 --> 01:47:50,914
on that in relation to Councilwoman Cadukes questioning in that.

1601
01:47:51,515 --> 01:47:55,334
So when there was a question asked about each tranche

1602
01:47:55,515 --> 01:47:58,854
will come forward with an ordinance. When we bring forward

1603
01:47:58,875 --> 01:48:02,534
the ordinance to use commercial paper for the water wreck

1604
01:48:02,534 --> 01:48:07,574
facility, I don't want the two questions to be misconstrued.

1605
01:48:07,574 --> 01:48:11,574
If we pull multiple times for one project, we're going

1606
01:48:11,574 --> 01:48:17,984
to get one authorization. Correct? Or are we planning on

1607
01:48:18,024 --> 01:48:23,344
bringing an ordinance? No, in my thought it was one

1608
01:48:23,525 --> 01:48:26,944
ordinance, but for the project. Okay. Well, as long as,

1609
01:48:26,944 --> 01:48:28,224
all right. I just wanted to make sure the two

1610
01:48:28,264 --> 01:48:32,647
answers didn't get crossed. Thank you for that. Yes. Don't

1611
01:48:32,647 --> 01:48:37,107
need that. Okay. I meant tranche as in project, not

1612
01:48:37,228 --> 01:48:41,527
each draw on the expansion. Yeah. Yeah. And the problem,

1613
01:48:41,527 --> 01:48:43,687
it would just be a category really. So a number

1614
01:48:43,868 --> 01:48:46,407
of water and sewer related projects may fall under that

1615
01:48:46,447 --> 01:48:48,567
category. Right. And if it were Bimini East, that would

1616
01:48:48,567 --> 01:48:50,167
be a different ordinance that would come forward. And I

1617
01:48:50,167 --> 01:48:52,327
know I'm mixing that because we're specific to water and

1618
01:48:52,367 --> 01:48:54,007
sewer, but that's what I would, that's what my thought

1619
01:48:54,028 --> 01:48:57,447
process was. And just to conclude the three, uh, the

1620
01:48:57,788 --> 01:49:01,607
350 million is the increase to the commercial paper specific

1621
01:49:01,607 --> 01:49:04,207
to water and sewer related projects. I just want to

1622
01:49:04,207 --> 01:49:07,723
make sure I was clear on that. Okay. And to

1623
01:49:07,723 --> 01:49:11,403
other comments, we'll move on to ordinance 54 - 26.

1624
01:49:11,403 --> 01:49:14,123
Madam City clerk, please read title set to public date.

1625
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:19,691
Ordinance 54 - 26. An ordinance of the mayor in

1626
01:49:19,731 --> 01:49:22,651
city council of the city of Cape Coral, Florida, authorizing

1627
01:49:22,752 --> 01:49:26,491
the donation of surplus real property as further described here

1628
01:49:26,592 --> 01:49:31,408
in to Lee County. Excuse me, to lead building industry

1629
01:49:31,829 --> 01:49:34,608
association, builders care, ink of Florida not - for -

1630
01:49:34,608 --> 01:49:38,448
profit corporation. Pursuant to section 2 - 15 of the

1631
01:49:38,469 --> 01:49:42,288
city of Cape Coral, Florida, Code of Ordinances authorizing and

1632
01:49:42,288 --> 01:49:45,008
directing the city manager and clerk to execute a special

1633
01:49:45,029 --> 01:49:50,448
warranty deed conveying the aforementioned surplus real property to lead

1634
01:49:50,488 --> 01:49:54,128
building industry association builders care ink of Florida not -

1635
01:49:54,128 --> 01:49:58,491
for - profit corporation. Providing several ability and an effective

1636
01:49:58,512 --> 01:50:03,982
date. The public hearing will be September 16, 2026. Mr.

1637
01:50:04,083 --> 01:50:06,542
City, turning. Yes, thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to

1638
01:50:06,542 --> 01:50:10,702
refresh the council's recollection at this originated originally from a

1639
01:50:10,742 --> 01:50:12,942
committee of the whole meeting back on August 12th, which

1640
01:50:13,043 --> 01:50:16,222
was fertilized by a formal motion that took place on

1641
01:50:16,323 --> 01:50:19,982
August 19th of 2026. And this is the culmination of

1642
01:50:20,022 --> 01:50:22,782
that motion that was done on 19th along with the

1643
01:50:22,782 --> 01:50:25,342
final hearing, as was read by the clerk. So I

1644
01:50:25,342 --> 01:50:27,742
just wanted to put that out there so that the

1645
01:50:28,563 --> 01:50:32,130
understanding of confusion that will clear it up. Thank you.

1646
01:50:34,047 --> 01:50:37,602
Hey, thank you. We will move on to item 12

1647
01:50:37,703 --> 01:50:43,904
reports. Council member Donnell report. Council Member Kadu. No report.

1648
01:50:43,925 --> 01:50:48,544
Council Member Killring. Yeah, I attended the court's second perjury

1649
01:50:48,645 --> 01:50:54,784
on Saturday. And what done is they do up there.

1650
01:50:54,784 --> 01:50:58,704
Looks like they're pretty enthusiastic about opportunities to bring in

1651
01:50:58,725 --> 01:51:02,944
more income there. And it's looking better and better every

1652
01:51:02,984 --> 01:51:06,224
time I go there. Uh, also had a meeting with

1653
01:51:06,245 --> 01:51:12,064
some CCCIA personnel just updating them on activities that we're

1654
01:51:12,104 --> 01:51:17,264
doing with BIA and general discussion on that. Um, I

1655
01:51:17,304 --> 01:51:21,744
have a town hall meeting coming up September 26th. I

1656
01:51:21,784 --> 01:51:27,504
take Christian noon 10 a. m. to noon. The charter

1657
01:51:27,605 --> 01:51:31,264
school will be making a presentation here to update people

1658
01:51:32,245 --> 01:51:34,944
on the good things that they're doing. And also that's

1659
01:51:35,125 --> 01:51:37,424
going to be very tombling. And I open it up

1660
01:51:37,605 --> 01:51:41,184
really to discussion about, uh, property taxes and other focus

1661
01:51:41,765 --> 01:51:46,544
and impacts it out on the city. Um, also I

1662
01:51:46,544 --> 01:51:50,844
would like to request a second. We have a, uh,

1663
01:51:52,245 --> 01:51:58,704
trailer rental operation in the city, which is facing inability

1664
01:51:58,885 --> 01:52:02,464
to rent 26 for trailers because of a change in

1665
01:52:02,504 --> 01:52:07,940
ordinance. Uh, he was doing this business beforehand. And afterward,

1666
01:52:07,940 --> 01:52:11,860
uh, the ordinance was changed so to his location is

1667
01:52:11,860 --> 01:52:15,620
now not allowed to do 26 foot trailers. And looking

1668
01:52:15,660 --> 01:52:18,100
for a waiver mechanism to do that. And I would

1669
01:52:18,100 --> 01:52:19,860
like to pursue that. So if I could get a

1670
01:52:19,860 --> 01:52:24,311
second to do that. I'll give you a second to

1671
01:52:24,311 --> 01:52:29,490
work. Thank you. And that's it Mayor. Thank you. All

1672
01:52:29,490 --> 01:52:31,650
right. Council member last year. Thank you, Mayor. Two quick

1673
01:52:31,650 --> 01:52:34,930
things. First, I wanted to bring forward to counsel and

1674
01:52:34,930 --> 01:52:37,230
just buy a show of hands if you agree. Um,

1675
01:52:37,511 --> 01:52:42,610
national league, the cities is hosting their city summit on

1676
01:52:42,650 --> 01:52:46,610
November 18th in Nashville, Tennessee. And, uh, I would like

1677
01:52:46,711 --> 01:52:49,090
to let you all know that I would like to

1678
01:52:49,431 --> 01:52:53,090
send, um, Connie Griglin, one of our legislative aides in

1679
01:52:53,090 --> 01:52:58,050
the office to attend along with one youth council member.

1680
01:52:58,050 --> 01:53:02,990
And the reason is because, um, this particular summit, our

1681
01:53:02,990 --> 01:53:05,330
youth council member will actually get to work on the

1682
01:53:05,431 --> 01:53:08,930
plan and the agenda for the National League of Cities

1683
01:53:08,951 --> 01:53:11,810
Conference in March, the big one that we're raising money

1684
01:53:11,991 --> 01:53:14,210
to send these kids to. So I just wanted to

1685
01:53:14,210 --> 01:53:16,610
make sure you guys were all okay with it. There's

1686
01:53:16,631 --> 01:53:19,250
no money coming out of the general fund. This is

1687
01:53:19,271 --> 01:53:22,050
all in youth council budget. It's leftover money that we

1688
01:53:22,151 --> 01:53:25,250
raise from last year. So that will cover the trip.

1689
01:53:25,250 --> 01:53:28,290
It won't be any additional costs to taxpayers. Does everyone

1690
01:53:28,631 --> 01:53:31,810
okay with that? Have a problem. Okay. Thank you. And

1691
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:34,210
then secondly, I know that we have account meeting next

1692
01:53:34,210 --> 01:53:36,450
week. So I'm not sure Mayor if this is the

1693
01:53:36,450 --> 01:53:38,450
appropriate time, but I'm going to ask if I can

1694
01:53:39,271 --> 01:53:45,330
participate from December step, sorry, September 16th city council meeting

1695
01:53:45,370 --> 01:53:47,650
remotely as I will be out of town picking up

1696
01:53:48,311 --> 01:53:52,050
my Dutch relatives. And I'm requesting if I can participate

1697
01:53:52,151 --> 01:53:57,163
remotely on September 16th. Is that okay? Everybody okay with

1698
01:53:57,163 --> 01:54:00,460
that? Okay, cool. Thank you, Mayor. All right, counsel remember

1699
01:54:00,481 --> 01:54:04,939
layman. Council Member Long. No report. Council Member Steinke. No

1700
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:07,898
report. Okay, I just got a couple of things that

1701
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:12,538
I wanted to discuss. First, it's that time a year

1702
01:54:12,559 --> 01:54:16,698
again for evaluations for the city attorney and the city

1703
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:19,578
manager. Actually, the city attorney were a few weeks behind.

1704
01:54:21,395 --> 01:54:25,934
Also, on a yearly basis usually on September. We also

1705
01:54:26,275 --> 01:54:30,174
do an evaluation on our council staff. As far as

1706
01:54:30,275 --> 01:54:33,774
council staff is concerned, uh, typically what we've done in

1707
01:54:33,774 --> 01:54:41,054
the past is county who's our assistant office manager does

1708
01:54:41,235 --> 01:54:47,614
James's evaluation. And the individuals that Connie reports to as

1709
01:54:47,614 --> 01:54:52,894
far as council members, those four council members, uh, they

1710
01:54:52,915 --> 01:54:56,814
do the evaluation for Connie. And the council members that

1711
01:54:56,995 --> 01:55:02,654
report to Lisa, they do the evaluation for, for Lisa.

1712
01:55:02,654 --> 01:55:05,854
And then as you remember, all of the evaluation, once

1713
01:55:05,854 --> 01:55:09,854
we do those individually, whether it's the city manager, the

1714
01:55:09,955 --> 01:55:15,892
city attorney, also the city auditor. Uh, in our council

1715
01:55:15,932 --> 01:55:20,052
staff, once we do it individually, our staff combines all

1716
01:55:20,092 --> 01:55:24,519
of our evaluations to get an overall evaluation. So my

1717
01:55:24,540 --> 01:55:29,319
recommendation would be, um, as we know some of the

1718
01:55:29,660 --> 01:55:34,599
positions like the city manager, the city auditor and the,

1719
01:55:34,599 --> 01:55:37,879
uh, city attorney, they like to do self - evaluations.

1720
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:41,939
And then we do the evaluations after that. So my

1721
01:55:42,040 --> 01:55:47,699
recommendation, uh, would be, uh, to give the city auditor,

1722
01:55:47,699 --> 01:55:52,459
city attorney and the city manager of the opportunity, if

1723
01:55:52,459 --> 01:55:55,219
they so desire to do a self - evaluation and

1724
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,779
turn that in by September 11th at the end of

1725
01:55:57,779 --> 01:56:01,357
the business day, which is next Friday. And then that

1726
01:56:01,397 --> 01:56:06,717
would give counsel the opportunity to review that. And we

1727
01:56:06,898 --> 01:56:10,717
as a council will have a week to September 18th

1728
01:56:10,818 --> 01:56:14,637
to close a business to submit our evaluations for the

1729
01:56:14,677 --> 01:56:19,517
city attorney, the city manager, the city auditor, and our

1730
01:56:19,517 --> 01:56:27,474
appropriate council legislative aid that's in our office. And then,

1731
01:56:27,474 --> 01:56:34,034
uh, that following Monday, uh, which would be the 21st,

1732
01:56:34,034 --> 01:56:39,714
uh, our staff with average those, uh, evaluations out and

1733
01:56:39,735 --> 01:56:43,813
redistribute the overall evaluation to all of us. And then

1734
01:56:43,834 --> 01:56:47,493
we have a committee of the whole meeting on September

1735
01:56:47,914 --> 01:56:51,093
23rd, two days later. So I would recommend that after

1736
01:56:51,354 --> 01:56:53,653
the committee of the hope that we would have a

1737
01:56:53,653 --> 01:56:58,373
special meeting and do all of the evaluations at once,

1738
01:56:58,373 --> 01:57:01,973
uh, during the special meeting. So my recommendation would be

1739
01:57:02,314 --> 01:57:05,893
the set the meeting, uh, special meeting for 10 a.

1740
01:57:05,893 --> 01:57:10,321
m. or directly after the committee of the whole. Uh,

1741
01:57:10,582 --> 01:57:13,121
as we know, if we do a specific time and

1742
01:57:13,161 --> 01:57:14,961
we get done the cow meeting and we have to

1743
01:57:15,001 --> 01:57:18,241
sit around and wait, we do 10 a. m. if

1744
01:57:18,241 --> 01:57:20,721
it takes to 11, 12 o'clock to get the cow

1745
01:57:20,721 --> 01:57:25,166
meeting, we can do that meeting directly thereafter. So that

1746
01:57:25,206 --> 01:57:30,366
would be my recommendation. Again, the 11th, the city attorney,

1747
01:57:30,366 --> 01:57:32,926
city auditor and the city manager would do their self

1748
01:57:32,966 --> 01:57:36,206
- evaluations and turn it in to us by the

1749
01:57:36,246 --> 01:57:39,686
11th. And then we would have until the 18th, a

1750
01:57:39,686 --> 01:57:43,966
week later to do our evaluations. And then the overall,

1751
01:57:43,966 --> 01:57:49,326
uh, average will be conducted on the 21st and distributed

1752
01:57:49,366 --> 01:57:54,046
to council. And then we'll have a public meeting on

1753
01:57:54,086 --> 01:58:00,995
the 23rd. And what's the conference room that we typically

1754
01:58:01,336 --> 01:58:06,515
use? 220. 220A. Yep. So I would, if that works

1755
01:58:06,696 --> 01:58:09,715
for everybody, then I would, uh, entertain a motion to

1756
01:58:09,755 --> 01:58:14,915
have a special meeting at 10 p. m. on September

1757
01:58:15,576 --> 01:58:23,075
23rd in conference room 220 for evaluations for the appropriate

1758
01:58:24,776 --> 01:58:30,413
positions that I had mentioned. Okay. Any other comments or

1759
01:58:30,514 --> 01:58:34,853
questions regarding that. Seeing none, Madam City clerk, could you

1760
01:58:34,853 --> 01:58:43,816
call the role. Lastra. Aye. Lehman. Aye. Long. Stanky. Aye.

1761
01:58:43,997 --> 01:58:49,905
Donnell. Aye. Gunter? Aye. Kaduk? Aye. Kill rain. Aye. Aed

1762
01:58:49,945 --> 01:58:53,025
ice motion carried. Okay. And lastly, the last thing I

1763
01:58:53,126 --> 01:58:58,305
wanted to talk about very similar council member lasted did.

1764
01:58:58,305 --> 01:59:03,585
But a little different reasoning. Um, September 16, two weeks

1765
01:59:03,625 --> 01:59:05,751
from the day or the next regular meeting. I have

1766
01:59:05,772 --> 01:59:09,066
surgery schedule. Uh, a couple of months ago I was

1767
01:59:09,066 --> 01:59:13,486
diagnosed with, uh, illness that, uh, I need to have

1768
01:59:13,486 --> 01:59:16,206
surgery for. There's going to be about a four week

1769
01:59:16,947 --> 01:59:20,446
rehabilitation for this particular procedure that I have to have

1770
01:59:20,486 --> 01:59:23,966
done. So I will miss the 16th since that's the

1771
01:59:23,987 --> 01:59:27,918
day of my surgery. Uh, but for about three to

1772
01:59:27,958 --> 01:59:30,238
four weeks after that, I would ask that I could

1773
01:59:32,179 --> 01:59:36,638
participate remotely in the meetings. Uh, if I happen to,

1774
01:59:36,638 --> 01:59:42,158
uh, to, uh, rehabilitate a little quicker than anticipated, then

1775
01:59:42,158 --> 01:59:43,998
I'll be back sooner. But I just wanted to make

1776
01:59:43,998 --> 01:59:47,118
sure about four weeks after September 16th, I have the

1777
01:59:47,158 --> 01:59:50,718
opportunity to, uh, participate remotely. I just want to make

1778
01:59:50,718 --> 01:59:53,838
sure that was all right with everybody. God bless you,

1779
01:59:53,838 --> 01:59:56,215
my friend and prayers are with you. Thank you. All

1780
01:59:56,215 --> 01:59:59,315
right. Mr. Mayor, real procedurally, when you're appearing remotely, are

1781
01:59:59,315 --> 02:00:04,615
you able, are you still able to, our mayor pro

1782
02:00:04,615 --> 02:00:06,855
- Tem around you? But we count the DJ, Bruth?

1783
02:00:06,956 --> 02:00:09,175
We count as a quorum without like on the 16th,

1784
02:00:09,175 --> 02:00:12,135
you and I won't be there. So we'll still have

1785
02:00:12,636 --> 02:00:15,495
six people that'll meet the corn. Okay. I just didn't

1786
02:00:15,495 --> 02:00:18,890
know who the presiding officer was. Okay. Thank you, sir.

1787
02:00:18,930 --> 02:00:22,627
All right. All righty, council member Cadu can see your

1788
02:00:22,648 --> 02:00:24,787
light on. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I also have something

1789
02:00:24,827 --> 02:00:27,827
very important happening on the 16th. I still plan on

1790
02:00:27,928 --> 02:00:32,507
being here. But just spot if you like, I'd be

1791
02:00:32,507 --> 02:00:35,747
more than happy. Just in case I may be late.

1792
02:00:35,747 --> 02:00:36,947
But you don't have one. I got to get worked

1793
02:00:36,947 --> 02:00:42,914
on. Thank you. I can't. Hang on. Um, that would

1794
02:00:42,954 --> 02:00:46,281
have us not have a quorum. How many people do

1795
02:00:46,302 --> 02:00:49,321
we need for a quorum five, correct? Each five. So

1796
02:00:49,361 --> 02:00:52,535
we, we can have three people missing. Yeah. Okay. But

1797
02:00:52,535 --> 02:00:55,495
if we don't count remotely, right? Well, I won't be

1798
02:00:56,076 --> 02:00:58,695
in that meeting. But I will. You won't count towards

1799
02:00:58,735 --> 02:01:02,055
the quorum, but you'll be able to participate. Okay. But

1800
02:01:02,095 --> 02:01:05,415
you need at least five individuals present here in chambers.

1801
02:01:05,596 --> 02:01:06,935
And I'll be here as soon as I can get

1802
02:01:06,975 --> 02:01:08,855
here. I plan to be here on time. But just

1803
02:01:08,855 --> 02:01:15,327
in case I'm not. Okay. All right. All righty. You

1804
02:01:15,367 --> 02:01:17,807
cut that off. Okay. I think that takes care of

1805
02:01:17,828 --> 02:01:21,887
everything. Uh, Mr. City attorney. You have a report? No,

1806
02:01:21,887 --> 02:01:26,764
nothing at this point. Thank you. Mr. City Manager. Thank

1807
02:01:26,785 --> 02:01:29,884
you, Mayor. I have one item to announce. And then,

1808
02:01:29,884 --> 02:01:33,804
uh, some information, uh, to share with the community. What

1809
02:01:33,844 --> 02:01:36,284
I'd like to announce is keep girls invites the community

1810
02:01:36,305 --> 02:01:43,935
to an open house on the Jakita corridor project. Well,

1811
02:01:44,036 --> 02:01:46,415
it's actually was today three to six. So, uh, it's

1812
02:01:46,455 --> 02:01:53,091
just ending. So no, no need to go. September 9th,

1813
02:01:53,091 --> 02:01:56,855
Wednesday. What do you want me to do? Tell me

1814
02:01:56,855 --> 02:02:00,135
about yesterday. Huh? That's next week. Oh yeah. I'm sorry.

1815
02:02:00,175 --> 02:02:06,579
Yes. Today. Yes. Okay. So Wednesday, September 9th from three

1816
02:02:06,579 --> 02:02:08,579
to 6 p. m. I got the 16th in my

1817
02:02:08,579 --> 02:02:10,579
head with all the stuff you all have going on

1818
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:16,019
up there. So yes. So next Wednesday, uh, September 9th

1819
02:02:16,019 --> 02:02:19,139
from three to six at the Cape Coral public operations

1820
02:02:19,139 --> 02:02:22,019
center, uh, we will have an open house for the

1821
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:25,539
Chiquita corridor project. For those of you that are interested

1822
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:31,459
in turn lanes and all the things infrastructure related to

1823
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:34,499
Chiquita, it would be important to show up at this

1824
02:02:34,539 --> 02:02:40,259
timeframe to get, uh, ask questions about capacity, intersection improvements,

1825
02:02:40,259 --> 02:02:44,179
uh, we're working on infrastructure, which is a major thing

1826
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:50,772
that community asked for. So next Wednesday. Okay. JC Park.

1827
02:02:52,113 --> 02:02:54,892
We hear all the time that JC Park was a

1828
02:02:54,932 --> 02:02:58,012
waste and it, you know, it was people have different

1829
02:02:58,052 --> 02:03:02,572
opinions about JC Park. So we have now concluded a

1830
02:03:02,993 --> 02:03:07,294
full summer with JC Park being open. And so I

1831
02:03:07,294 --> 02:03:10,574
asked our team to go back, uh, through the data

1832
02:03:12,035 --> 02:03:16,614
all the way back to 22. Look at 24. 25

1833
02:03:16,614 --> 02:03:20,094
was closed for construction and now 26 with the reopening.

1834
02:03:20,889 --> 02:03:23,748
So, and I have this data. If anybody wants to

1835
02:03:23,748 --> 02:03:29,057
see it. So from May 1st through July 31st, we're

1836
02:03:29,057 --> 02:03:34,116
talking about a three May, June and July. Of 2022.

1837
02:03:35,345 --> 02:03:39,084
We had a total number of visits of 23. 6

1838
02:03:39,105 --> 02:03:44,573
thousand visitors over the three months. So a little bit

1839
02:03:44,754 --> 02:03:49,880
over 7, 000 people a month. And there were 13.

1840
02:03:50,061 --> 02:03:54,120
5 thousand unique visitors, which means some of them were

1841
02:03:54,541 --> 02:04:00,746
return. Average dwelling time for those visitors staying there was

1842
02:04:00,786 --> 02:04:07,086
59 minutes. Fast forward to the year prior to, uh,

1843
02:04:07,086 --> 02:04:12,786
the park being reconstructed. We had 21. 3 thousand visitors

1844
02:04:12,887 --> 02:04:16,426
over the same time frame, May, June and July. So

1845
02:04:17,047 --> 02:04:22,966
people attending the park went down. The unique visitors was

1846
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12. 7. So also down from 13. 5. And the

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average dwell time went from 59 minutes to 57 minutes.

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But still 21, three, uh, 7, 000 each on average.

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Now 2026, May 1st through July 31st. Any guesses.

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02:04:49,384 --> 02:04:56,347
60, 000. 58. 7 thousand people. We went from 7,

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02:04:56,368 --> 02:05:02,823
000 a month. To almost 20, 000 a month. Unique

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02:05:02,863 --> 02:05:10,636
visitors. From 12, 000 to 37. 1 thousand. An average

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02:05:10,737 --> 02:05:14,636
dwell time went from 57 minutes to 64. So we

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have three times as many people using the park. We've

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got three times as many unique individual people using the

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park. And the average time they're staying there is longer.

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Just the facts. Thank you. Okay. Item 14 time place

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future meeting. We have a community redevelopment agency meeting schedule

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for Wednesday, September 9, 2026. Begin in at 9 a.

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m. here in council chambers. We also have a committee

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02:05:44,464 --> 02:05:47,803
of the whole was scheduled for Wednesday, September 9th beginning

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at 9. 30 a. m. and council chambers. And we

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02:05:50,723 --> 02:05:52,763
have a special meeting at the Cape Coral City Council

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is scheduled for Thursday, September 10th, 2026, beginning at 505

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p. m. And council chambers. That will be our first

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02:06:01,104 --> 02:06:04,603
of two public hearings. I will entertain a motion to

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02:06:04,704 --> 02:06:09,243
adjourn. Somit. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any

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opposed meeting journey.