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I'm from Madness, and I'm from the Chinas and the Lyons.

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I'm interested in the books and the modern Irish band.

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I started more than just starting to start.

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I mean, it was quite a kind of like to budget.

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OK.

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Well, I was here with the, they had the large families.

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It was now reduced as the Austin's, back then,

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I think maybe 1,000 cars less.

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Yeah, it was a little bit more.

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I think that could be a good morning folks.

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I really get started.

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For those of you who I don't know, my name's Matt Hart.

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I'm Craig's executive director.

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And thank you so much for coming to today's workshop on EV charging stations.

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This is part of a series that Craig is sponsoring.

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Craig is sponsoring in order to promote these federal funding opportunities to the benefits

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of our municipal members by partisan infrastructure law, obviously being a very significant source of that funding, but there are other sources too.

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So we're very pleased to have a couple of guest presenters here with us today.

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We've got Jacob Buckman here from Ever Source, and we've got Joanna Hall and Sam Albert from the firm of Weston and Samson.

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A couple other things before we get started. Unfortunately, Elizabeth Sanderson, her colleague

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here at Crog was not able to attend today. And she really put a lot of work into preparing

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for today's session, so we certainly appreciate her efforts. So I'm standing in for her. I certainly

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don't know the BIL and the federal funding opportunities as well as she does, but we'll give it our

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best effort to go over those.

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As you can see, we don't have a microphone here in the room, so we're

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going to do our best to project. If you can't hear us, if you're having trouble hearing, feel free

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to move a little bit closer. We've got screens around the room, as you can see, so you should be

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able to readily follow the presentation. We will periodically stop to take questions,

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so we'll periodically stop to do that and feel free to get refreshments at any

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point in time. So since since you know I think we've got a little bit of time

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together this morning I do think of it helpful if we could just quickly go

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around the room and introduce ourselves and we'll give our guests a couple more

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minutes to just talk about their work and what they do with their respective

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organizations. So thank you all so much for coming and really looking forward to

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a good session today.

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Jacob.

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Great.

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Thanks so much.

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So I'll introduce myself personally.

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We're going to go around the table, and then we'll take things off with you.

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So, Jake Buckman, I'm a program manager for Electric Mobility at Ever Source.

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My primary role right now is ensuring that we're meeting all of our poor installation goals

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that we have, so we have, and I'll get into detail in the program itself, but we have

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internal goals that we track inside the company as well as we have large

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goals that we're meeting for the state to show that the incentives that we're

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sending out are being used appropriately and are actually building out the

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electric vehicle infrastructure required to meet our various state goals and

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federal goals that we have. All right. Thank you. Hi everyone. Good morning.

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Joanna Hall from Weston and Samson, a team leader at Weston and Samson that works on

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all energy related projects, renewable energy, energy efficiency, and EV charging stations.

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We help municipalities and private clients with planning, implementation, and EV charging.

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We serve as a liaison between customers and utilities,

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resource and national grid, helping clients certainly to obtain grant funding or other funding

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it may be available to help support implementation of EV charging stations and happy to be here this

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morning to talk with all of you. So thank you for having us. I am Sam Albert. I'm also with

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Weston-Sampson on the technical specialist. I work mostly with electric vehicle charging stations

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as well as energy efficiency and renewable energy type projects, lead assessments, things like

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that helping to help build names and customers, say, an energy work with the German and the team

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and, you know, I get to be here and talk to you about electric vehicles.

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Hey everyone, good morning. Jail Polanco here. I am Jake's counterpart over in Connecticut

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Electric Mobility for Ever Source and same goals as Jake mentioned but some of the things I'm currently

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working on is aggregation of all the charge stations within our program and analyzing that

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information and understanding patterns, behaviors, just to help improve our program and I think

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operate more efficiently. David Porter, town manager in Marlboro.

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And Roger Cron, Transportation Engineer here at Cron and get involved with our website program

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and heavy illnesses right now on our Safe Streets program and also support Elizabeth on a lot of our funding opportunities that we're seeking for our towns and our region.

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Garrett Daniels, town farm, town farm region.

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Everybody's in the clock.

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We're monitoring your share of malls.

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State of the household.

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You can help you.

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Can we also listen to the management?

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on this is.

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Good morning, my name is Ray Harris. I work at the town that's in the Department of Public Works.

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I'm Ralph Eloise, Director of Transportation, and I'm Rods and the Deputy Director of Transportation,

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Planning and Clunk. I'm Caitlin Palmer, Director of Regional Planning and Development and Frog.

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I'm a Crystal Video, College of Engineering, and I'm Ron Nolt, Luke's Consultant and Engineers.

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Excellent. Well, looks like we got a great group here today and really looking forward to today's conversation.

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So I'm great. Jacob or Jake, as you prefer. You're leading up.

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Okay. So we've just introduced ourselves. That's our agenda.

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All right, go.

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Let's open to the Connecticut Electric Vehicle Charging Program.

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So my slide deck is all based around a pure approved incentive program to install the one that

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I'm going to be talking about primarily today is the commercial industrial program.

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program. We have a commercial industrial program as well as a residential program. I can

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always follow up if anyone has any questions about that later in terms of, you know, if

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you need more education materials for residents or things along those lines, I'm happy to

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get into it either at the question and answer at the end or afterwards. So the program that

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we implement in my trial and myself that we're implementing is a nine year program.

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It's broken out into three, three year phases,

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and the intention of those phases are to,

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number one, bucket the funding that we have

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to implement the program,

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as well as give opportunities to iterate

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and improve the program across the duration of these nine years.

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So the program started in 2022.

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We are entering the third year of our first three year phase,

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So we are getting into kind of our first big inflection point to see, you know, what are the major areas where we can improve it as well as

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just being able to kind of put a flag in the ground as to our performance over these past three years.

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So what is it? What is this program?

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Just to level set everyone, charging station information, you have level one, level two,

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This program is only for level two and level three chargers, level three chargers are also known

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as DC fast chargers or DCFC, level one chargers.

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This is essentially just an outlet.

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You have 120-volt outlets all over this room.

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You can charge an electric vehicle off the wall outlet. It's just extremely slow.

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As I've listed up here, it's roughly five miles of range per every hour of charge.

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So it would take a very long time, but it is doable. Every car has a built-in capacity to monitor

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how much electricity is coming into it to actually charge the battery. This is what you see in more

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or a lot of shopping centers, they are a faster charge than the 120 volt level ones.

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They provide, you know, between 20 and 60 miles of range per hour of charge.

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That's really determined by the model and how much electricity is actually flowing through

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that model of level two charger.

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So you can have kind of, you know, low or high voltage level two chargers to meet those

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different requirements.

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And then lastly, you have your 480-volt DC fast chargers.

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Those provide the most range to a vehicle for an hour of charge.

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It's anywhere between 60 and 100 miles.

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And you know, just to give a little more information for each of these categories,

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level two, level three chargers.

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We're learning more and more, you know, every month that goes by in terms of how

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how they're being installed, what applications are needing the different customer needs the

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best for DC fast chargers. We're seeing more of a trend towards higher power DC fast

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chargers, so things that are anywhere between 100 kilowatts to 150 is kind of where our incentive

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program is seeing the most demand. And then for the Level 2s, it's also a similar application

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for places that have public or destination charging. They're looking for higher levels or faster

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charges in situations like multi-unit dwelling, which is one part of our program. That's not always

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necessary, nor is it always the best application of the higher voltage level 2s. Those are also

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residential areas, the lower level 2s can also kind of meet the needs.

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So the program itself, this is an incentive program, so how it breaks out is into two location

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territory types.

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So you have underserved and you have baseline territories, and different incentive amounts

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for each of those areas.

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For the level two projects, you can obtain up to $20,000 per site for a baseline up to $40,000 for an underserved.

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And then for DC fast chargers, it's up to $150,000 per site and up to $250,000 in underserved.

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And then you can see as you make your way across the chart, we have different property types.

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So you have multi-family, public, workplace, and then you also have the important installation

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requirements.

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So that's the minimum number of plugs that have to be installed at a site in order to

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obtain or be qualified for the incentive.

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Excuse me, Jake.

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Will we be able to get this PowerPoint after that, certainly.

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And so, you know, keys here, one of the things that's really important is we have this

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as a per-site incentive.

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So if you are in a situation where you have a parking garage and there are multiple

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levels to the parking garage, that site incentive can be applied to the parking garage.

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I do each level of that parking garage because it's a separate area, and in most cases they have separate panels for each of those levels. Similarly for, let's say, if this is going in a, in a town hall where there's like maybe a public lot in the front in the back, so like a north and a south lot, each of those areas would be considered different sites as long as they are being fed by separate panels. And so you could, again,

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and obtain up to 20,000 or 40,000 for each

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of those individual parking areas.

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Lastly, and this will be in the slide deck,

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we'll make sure it gets emailed out later.

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There's a link to the underserved communities map.

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This is a website through deep.

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You can essentially, if you're not sure,

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if maybe you just have census tracks in your town,

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and you want to verify that a location is underserved or not, you can always put it in the address lookup that's through that break.

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Okay, so we've kind of talked through the program, the types of chargers, the incentive, how are you actually eligible and able to participate?

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The first thing that you have to do before you even, you know, consider breaking ground is a

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charger, and the charger will have to be selected from our Qualified Product List. So we vet

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vendors and we have them send applications into us to be on our Qualified Product List,

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our team and coordination with UI, review each of these products and make sure that it means all

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the environmental constraints that we have for humidity,

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heat, and cold, as well as all of our data requirements.

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So, Cassie, to give charging data back to us

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because it's a regulatory requirement

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that we have to give that to Vera.

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And then for the actual costs.

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So, it's broken out into two categories of what you can apply

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those incentives towards.

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The chargers, which is up to 50% of the cost of the chargers,

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and then up to 100% of the make ready costs,

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which include future proofing.

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Future proofing simply put is just laying additional conduit

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and doing additional trenching for chargers

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that you don't plan to install at the time

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when you're doing the initial project buildout,

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but you know at a future date,

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you'll want to put chargers, additional chargers in.

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So you essentially have the infrastructure ready to go

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and all you have to do is put out put on a pad

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or if you want to have pads and just add chargers later, you do so.

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One small note here, this incentive is can only be used once per location so if you

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are to do an installation this year and then in six years want to upgrade the chargers

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or add additional chargers to an existing bank, if you've already applied and received incentives

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for that location, you will not be eligible to kind of go back to the well for additional funds.

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All right, so going in a little bit deeper in what are, you know,

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make ready costs, what other costs would be needed to be picked up by the customers.

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So make ready are all of the infrastructure costs. So it's your conduit in trenching,

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it's increasing the size of the panels, it's adding new or upgraded services to a

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comedy, the increased electric load, it's also, you know, the pads, it's the physical

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labor of the team installing them as well as any permitting site design, engineering work

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required in order to scope out and actually install the project.

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So this is, these costs are up to 100% paid for by EverSource or UI and any additional costs

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over what the project costs are would be picked up by the customer.

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So I'll get into just some hypothetical examples in the next slide to break that out further.

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So we rebate up to half the cost of the chargers, so whether that's the level two or the DC

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fast chargers, and then finally there are a number of cost paid for by the customer, so

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that includes signs, the ballers that would have to go in front of the electric vehicle

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service equipment to protect them. Network fees are something that are really important.

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I really want to take a moment to highlight. So if you imagine you have a level two charger,

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you have the physical hardware, right? The actual charge station itself that is supplying

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electricity to the car, but behind that you have software that's actually running the

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charging station. It is the software is what you interact with to set the cost per charge

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as well as view the usage at that charge station. In order to actually be able to, in order

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to have that physical equipment running, you need software behind it to keep it working

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as well as let you know, you know, a lot of the network services that are available

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have different abilities to spot failures, whether it's like connection failures

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or physical failures sometimes as well, and that requires an annual fee in order to pay for that ongoing service.

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That ongoing service is required for five years after you install the charge station

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for our trends and conditions. That's a pure requirement because again, we aren't looking to just

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install these chargers and forget about them. We want to install the chargers, obtain charging

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data so we can make informed decisions with the state on where are these chargers being utilized the

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best, what different rate structures work best for customers for the various location types that

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being installed at. And so that's what goes into the five-year data requirement that

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Pura has that would be required for customers to pay. Of course, any other maintenance fees,

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that there are lots of different models for maintenance, whether it's through contractor

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teams or through vendor agreements that you could have with those charge stations. So there's

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lot of options there and then any other related warranties.

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So getting into, like I mentioned, a couple of examples, you know, look, we'll just keep

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the numbers all rounded, but from a practical standpoint, how could a couple of these different

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situations play out?

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So the first one is a location in New Haven, so that's a baseline community.

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It is a multi-family property type.

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So, what that means is the minimum of two ports would have to be installed.

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As you make your way across, you have the cost of the chargers is $10,000.

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Also $10,000.

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Now, that brings a total project cost to $20,000.

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And that is, you know, the incentives for this situation are $20,000 as well.

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And remember that we only rebate up to half the cost of the chargers.

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So that's why the total proposed rebate is only 15 and then that cost to the customer will be $5,000.

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I know on the DC fast chargers.

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Actually, I'll wait till I get to that. I think I have to slide. Here we go.

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I asked the question. That $5,000 does not include the cost of our network.

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You'll see it made this, right? That's correct. That would just be for the project cut.

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The upfront project costs.

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And you know, I appreciate you mentioning that because there are different network service providers.

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They're also listed on our Qualify product list.

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So it is on the customer to decide which one they want to go with.

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There are different pricing models for the various network service providers.

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So you do have options and what you think is the right selection for your application.

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and then actually getting into the process.

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So I mentioned earlier, the very first thing you have to do

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is kind of select from the Qualify product list

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as well as finding a contractor

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or working with electricians and engineers

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to scope out the project.

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Once the project's scoped out,

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then you apply for the rebates.

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So we have an application processing team

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that receives, reviews, approves, or if they're denying the project, they'll give feedback

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as to what other information they would need in order to approve it.

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And then ultimately, what you get before you start any of, before you break ground, is

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an incentive reservation letter.

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That letter just lets you know that, you know, this is the binding thing that you will be

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receiving, you have your spot reserved to receive rebates when your project completes.

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We have currently, since we're in the second of the third year of this phase, we've already

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fully subscribed rebates to different property type areas.

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So multi-unit dwellings, we've completely subscribed all the funds and we have a wait list right

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right now, as well as the public destination charging is almost fully subscribed and then

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our DC fast chargers are also fully subscribed.

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We do have roughly 700 ports worth of funds available for workplace charging and fleets and

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so if you do have a municipal fleet, there's significant amount of funds available for that.

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And those funds do get refreshed every three years at a minimum, like I mentioned earlier.

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So, beginning of each of the phases, all of those funds are started anew.

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And for public destination charging, we expect at least a thousand plugs will be available for rebates.

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So, step in, continue to step through this process.

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After you get that reservation incentive letter, then you can go and start the project.

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You know that, you know, all the work that's in, you know, you can actually plan properly

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that the work that's being done can be rebated for, you know, the amount that we let you

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know in the letter.

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Once you've activated the chargers, then we have a payment request form which requires things

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like a completed electrical inspection from the town, as well as an invoice of the work

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performed and a breakout of the chargers, the serial numbers, so we can connect to them

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and make sure that we see them on our end for data tracking purposes.

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and then finally we'll send the reservation check in the mail and that whole process from applying for the payment and then receiving the check takes anywhere between 10-15 business days.

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So we try to keep this process as tight as possible just to accommodate towns and customer needs.

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One last point here is our program is open enrollment, so for multi-unit charging for public

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charging, workplace and fleets, you can apply it anytime, even if the funds are fully

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subscribed to other projects, you can still be put on the wait list and we'll work it as

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soon as funds become available. We'll work that wait list from the top down, the first

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online. The only thing that's different is our DC fast charging program. It is a very

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expensive program and we've had so much demand from the first year that, in the second

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year of the program, Pure Red directed us to have a scoring criteria in order to award

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incentives to those projects. So that competitive window was from March 15th to June 1st and

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those we had roughly 350 ports worth of applications, you know, sent to us and we could only

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award 127 so it was very competitive. But, you know, I definitely understand the need

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and part of the intention of PIR is making sure that the chargers are being spread, especially

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DCFC chargers are being spread, I putably across the state. So, there is incentives where

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There's at least scoring incentives to the companies

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and the projects that are installing them

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and dispersing them across the state

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because that's really, we understand how helpful

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it is for people to actually get around.

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Jake, would you mind going over that parking lot example

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from the previous slide, just the numbers?

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So I think that's particularly relevant to our members.

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Yeah, absolutely, the Bridgeport one, sure.

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Yeah, so this is like I mentioned earlier

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when it comes to parking garages.

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So this is a six level parking garage.

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They were looking to install six ports, level two.

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So they're just looking at three sites or three levels within that parking garage to install chargers.

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And they would be two ports per level.

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So the total cost of the chargers would be $30,000.

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The rest of the make ready costs were estimated at $60,000.

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So the total project cost was 90 and the rebate was 75.

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So how that kind of happened is if you have three sites,

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three level two sites, let's see here.

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Oh, I think that the numbers, I think it did the numbers wrong on this one.

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So that this would be a better example if I did my math correctly, but that's why.

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So this, it can be tricky sometimes.

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So the most critical thing to start with from left to right is the underserved location.

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So this means that per site...

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Or for each level of this garage, the customer would be able to receive up to $40,000 for each of those sites. And so, although they could receive up to $120,000 for the entirety of this project and rebates, their maximum rebate would only be $75,000 because they'd still at the end of the day would have to pay for half the cost of the chargers. That was that the general requirement to

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that to cover up to half was something

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set by pure, just to make sure that customers, contractors,

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property owners are investing some of their own funds

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in order to be more diligent and take care of these installations

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properly to incentivize that.

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One important note here as well, let's say, for example,

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the total cost of that same project was $150,000

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instead. And the incentives wouldn't cover the whole thing. It is up to the customer to decide how

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the incentives are what they're going towards. So if they want to put all of the money towards

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the installation costs and none towards the cost of the chargers, that's at the customer's discretion.

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And the vice versa is the same. If their total rebate is relatively small and it only covers up

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to have the cost of the chargers, it makes no difference to the utility how the customer

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wants to allocate those funds.

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Thanks for covering that.

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All

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right.

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So some final FYI's kind of wanting to get down here.

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We don't have an approved contractor list, it is open to customer choice entirely.

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We have something called an EV rate rider.

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So, this essentially eliminates the demand charges for electric supply to electric vehicles.

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That's the intention and how we are ensuring that now we're able to actually have customers

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sign up to that program is when you have a separate meter that is only supplying electricity

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to electric vehicles.

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So this is definitely something that's a pretty advantageous program to participate in.

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Demand charts may be really high because one of the vehicles gets plugged in and it really

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spikes in terms of the draw at a particular location, and that can really impact demand

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charges, especially when you're looking at DC fast chargers.

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So, that's a great program and I think it's also really important if you're being forward

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thinking about, you know, maybe even if all you can afford is two or four ports, but

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you can also get a separate meter for those chargers, you know, having that meter, that

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separate meter service available for future ports.

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I think it's definitely going to be to your advantage.

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Like I mentioned earlier, the application turnaround time is roughly 10 to 15 business days.

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If you don't have enough service at the site for to accommodate those chargers, I have

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links for the ever source territory to our form in order to get that ball rolling and working

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with the service engineers and then just a final note on charging pricing models.

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So when you're working with your network service provider after the charging station is installed

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and you're configuring them to work how you want, you can select from, you know, about the options.

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Whether it is just considered an amenity and it's free charge or if it's a pay-as-you-go

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and the customer is paying exactly whatever the electricity rate is at that moment.

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or if you want to have it like a subscription fee where a monthly basis the

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customer is paying a flat rate and all of those chart all those pricing

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models are acceptable and that's all things that you would work out with the

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network service provider when you're commissioning and turning those charges

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online.

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All right and then contact information here and again these will all be

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available after the presentation, you know, I'm happy to take a couple questions now before

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I end it up to Joanne and Sam.

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You mentioned Maximum's per site, and then it looked like in the bridge border, there

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were three sites.

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What constitutes a site?

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Yes.

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So a site is a separate parking area.

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Yeah, so that can be a little bit nuanced at times.

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There are different, but the essentially what it boils down to is

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separate site will have its own panel servicing the electric vehicles and it will have

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either some physical barrier disconnecting it from another parking area or a large distance.

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So, for example, if you had, like, a hotel with different cardinal parking lots that you couldn't access, you know, one to the next. You'd have, like, a north west, you know, east and south lot.

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Each of those would be separate parking areas, and that's one part of qualifying as a separate site. They would also need a separate panel servicing each of those separate sites in order to be available to qualify for a separate site incentive.

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parking. Also easy examples because each level is separate from the first or the one below it,

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and as long as that level has its own electric panel that can service the area that would meet the

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site incentive criteria as well. The more difficult ones are if there is a large distance, so let's say

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You have a shopping center, and there are chargers at the face of the building, and chargers at the back of the lot.

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Sometimes two to three hundred feet between those two charging stations.

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Again, as long as they're fed from separate panels, they can be considered as two physically separate sites.

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And on the table, it looks like the majority in cost is set high with medical tips, but

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it sounded like these might have been real life kind of examples.

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Some of them are drawn from it, and I know a hundred of them are relative, like it sounds

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like most of the cost is covered.

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Are these representative of the actual installation costs kind of?

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Not always.

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It definitely varies.

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It is extremely site dependent.

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I'm sure German and Sam will have a lot more information on that.

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I have seen many applications especially on the multi-unit dwelling side where all of the,

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you know, where they're installing chargers in front of, you know, multi-unit dwellings

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the panel is maybe 20 feet from where the chargers are going in so they're trenching

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their material costs are all relatively low and, you know, they fit within that 20 to $40,000

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depending on the property of the location type incentive.

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But on the TC Fast Charger side, we're seeing where a new pad transformer has to be installed.

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And, you know, DC Fast Charging Chargers themselves, the hardware can go from $75 to $150,000 per charging station.

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And the total cost is in the quarter to a half million dollar range and are $150,000.

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site incentive is helpful but nowhere near covering it.

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So it definitely varies.

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It definitely varies.

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And one more.

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Sure.

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Please.

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Maybe.

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So a lot of these examples tend to be, you know, destinations like parking

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garages or places of work or that.

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That one thing that we're concerned about in the transportation sector is the expansion

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of market penetration of EVs and ranging with the idea for people that are traveling.

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So there's a netting program at the federal level to locate these things here, interstate

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exits, and I would think the model for those types of stations would be more like a gas

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station where you're getting up the highway, you're trying to charge up to go to the

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increase your range, and that would be more

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I'm presuming a profit-based kind of a charging station.

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And is this eligible for that type of a facility

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these incentives?

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Certainly, yeah.

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So gas stations, restaurants, anything that,

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you know, anything, any place that a public person

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could just drive up to and plug their vehicle

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the plug their vehicle into would be considered a public or a destination charge.

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So that could be a tap hall, that could be anywhere where there's not a physical gate

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closing off the charger for the main 12 hours of a day in a seven day week.

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So we do in our application, we actually do have the definition of public destination charging,

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but it is essentially any place that's that's not gated for the main business hours kind of day.

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So that considered commercial?

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So I'm sorry to consider commercial industry.

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Yeah, so that would be considered commercial use.

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The residential program is essentially for only for

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for chargers going into a, not only a single, single family home, but also if you have

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like a condominium or something on those lines where they have a deeded parking space

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or garage space where a level two charger would be installed.

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So the residential side is very narrow and the commercial side is quite broad when it comes

442
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,020
to these charging installations.

443
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:34,720
I have one, I feel like it's actually a pretty dumb question, but I'm going to ask it because

444
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:40,980
I don't know. For the DCFC charging, you mentioned that's commercial, not residential.

445
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:49,260
If I have a regular car, like a regular AV car, it's not like I can't use it on my hybrid

446
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:50,080
or something like that.

447
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:58,300
Yeah, if you have a plug-in hybrid, I mean you can use any charger as long as I mean some

448
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:22,040
Some I would just slightly curve that with some electric vehicles have maybe they have different plug types, but most most in most cases this will be going away over the next five to 10 years because there's a national standard now for plug types, but and there are some cars that can only accept up to certain levels of charge.

449
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,820
So again, I wouldn't say that it is in broad brush strokes, you could plug any EV in anywhere,

450
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,180
but in most cases you can't plug in EVs pretty much everywhere.

451
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:36,060
So these are all for personal vehicle. We're not talking like mid or heavy trucks.

452
00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:41,860
Correct. This whole thing, but thank you for mentioning that. This is only a light-duty vehicle program,

453
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:48,820
so vehicles under 10,000 pounds. There is a docket for medium and heavy-duty vehicles,

454
00:41:48,820 --> 00:42:00,560
But it's not been approved yet and we just had a meeting on it yesterday with our regulatory team as there is more interest in getting that program started.

455
00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:05,200
But we'll definitely have a lot more announcements and details to come when that's approved.

456
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:11,530
So, yeah, so I think you mentioned on the D.C. fast structures, you have like 300 applications

457
00:42:11,530 --> 00:42:18,830
and 127 available. What about the level 2 charter program, what's the supply rate availability

458
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:29,050
available? Yeah. So, each of the categories have different kind of demands. So, like I mentioned,

459
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:35,310
the multi-unit dwelling has been the most popular, which in terms of, you know, if we're thinking

460
00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:45,610
about how are these chargers being used? I think a lot of the reporting coming back is

461
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:53,510
personal, charging at home is really easy. Charging at home is really easy and when you're

462
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:57,210
driving somewhere, if you're going to be at a restaurant and you can just plug it in because

463
00:42:57,210 --> 00:43:01,930
you're going to be there for an hour is great or highway charging that's really fast is also,

464
00:43:01,930 --> 00:43:03,770
So those are some of the ideal cases.

465
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:11,490
And so we've seen a lot of demand on the residential charging side for customers participating

466
00:43:11,490 --> 00:43:19,370
in that program that we've had, I think, over 3,000 people participate in the residential

467
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:19,850
side.

468
00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:27,370
And then our multi-unit dwelling side is also the most popular on the CNI and outside of DCFC

469
00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:37,090
where we have almost 2,000 courts worth of funds available and those have been fully reserved

470
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:43,530
over these past few years. That particular program, we've gone back to the state in our annual review

471
00:43:43,530 --> 00:43:52,310
this year to request that funding allotment be increased year over year by quite a significant amount.

472
00:43:52,310 --> 00:44:06,050
We won't know until until the end of November what they decide, but we are open to you know customer demand and then communicating that to the regulators who are kind of allowing us to

473
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:08,810
fund those different program segments.

474
00:44:09,350 --> 00:44:17,810
So, just to clarify, so on the level three fast chargers that you had an application period

475
00:44:17,810 --> 00:44:19,430
like for a margin to view them in these.

476
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:19,790
Correct.

477
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:23,930
So on the level two chargers do you have an ongoing application?

478
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:24,390
I'm going.

479
00:44:24,730 --> 00:44:25,070
Exactly.

480
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:26,010
I'm going.

481
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:33,950
And if the segment that you do apply for funds to is, like I said, fully reserved, we will

482
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:40,410
will still accept your application and then just put you on the wait list and want the

483
00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:44,530
moment we do get funds, then we'll work from the top down on our wait list. So I definitely

484
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:49,850
highly suggest if you can wait for the funds or if you need to wait for the funds to still

485
00:44:49,850 --> 00:44:52,730
send in an application anyway and get on the wait list.

486
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:59,110
Andrew's one more question. So the DOT is rolling out this Navy program.

487
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Is this program that you're explaining right now, going to be pretty much go peeled into their program? Absolutely. So the Navy program, the way the way it's defined is, you know, within certain distance from high wind corridors, as well as they have kilowatt requirements for the charges being installed. It has the above 150 kilowatts and above. And would the intention of supplying more electricity faster charge

488
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:38,020
for vehicles on those travel corridors. Our DC FC program is essentially, you know, it covers

489
00:45:38,020 --> 00:45:46,840
a broader area of the state with still the intention to rapidly charge vehicles, but how it's defined

490
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:59,860
is for each of the ports that's actually supplying the charge has to have a minimum of 50 kilowatts per

491
00:45:59,860 --> 00:46:13,300
It kind of does all the really high capacity charging, and our program takes customers right up to the start of it, and so our programs are defined separately and required to not overlap.

492
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,940
So either you can take advantage of our funds if it's a, you know, depending on the location type.

493
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:25,980
and but if it is a larger installation that's on a highway corridor that's

494
00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:30,780
supplying a really high charge to vehicles you'll more likely fall under the

495
00:46:30,780 --> 00:46:31,440
that you plan.

496
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:41,940
Yeah, just for more practice, so if I wanted to project that like the

497
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:47,240
application to you, I'd be on the way with this point, the program's full up,

498
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,340
sometimes next year you'll get more units of what you're saying.

499
00:46:51,540 --> 00:47:04,380
Not necessarily, so our funding is given at the beginning of the first year of a three-year phase and it's supposed to carry all three years.

500
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:14,320
We are going into the final year of our first phase, so at a minimum we will have funds available in 2025.

501
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:23,520
But the only asterisk to that is if you do apply and get on the wait list now, if a different

502
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:31,820
project falls through, so if there's a different public destination project that doesn't happen

503
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:37,640
for whatever reason, customer cancels your funding or they just couldn't wait something

504
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:44,480
on those lines, their reservation goes back to the bucket, and then we'll just apply it to the

505
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,060
next person on the wait list. So Q. Yeah. Exactly.

506
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,260
And so just make sure, so it's a rebate, but we have to wait till our reservation is

507
00:47:56,260 --> 00:48:00,980
taken before we can spend the wait. Correct. And you'll be notified, you know, of, you know,

508
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:05,620
you'll be notified that you are on the wait list and that you're in Q and then you'll receive a

509
00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:12,000
notification when your reservation letter has been accepted, fully accepted, and you're

510
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,600
ready to start the project.

511
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:14,500
Thank you.

512
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,320
Is there a timeline for once you get the reservation letter that the project has to be completed

513
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:20,560
by?

514
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,340
Yes.

515
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:27,200
You have one year from then now, of course, there are always exceptions.

516
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:35,280
If there is a material delay, I mean, when the program first started, things like meter

517
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:41,400
socket and switch gears, which are just really critical pieces for these programs, for

518
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:48,880
these installations. We're on back order. Some of them still are. So, when you do have

519
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:55,440
constraints or things do come up, let's say, if a funding source falls through or if

520
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,400
you're bored, you know, if a board decides that they, you know, change their mind on a project

521
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,820
or if a contractor doesn't work out, just let us know and we'll work with you and figure

522
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:10,780
out whether if you need an extension, or if it makes more sense to just relinquish

523
00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:14,820
the reservation and apply back in the next cycle, but we can tough you those options.

524
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,920
Are there any limits to or rate controls for what the owner of the facility can charge each

525
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:25,880
car per?

526
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:32,860
No, there's no rate controls, but we're getting the ideas, there's a couple pieces of this,

527
00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:38,400
but one of the main ideas is there's increasing saturation of chargers in the market.

528
00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:43,200
And so when a customer goes on to the application on their phone to see, okay, where can I charge

529
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:43,700
my vehicle?

530
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,780
They'll also see the cost to charge at that location and nearby locations.

531
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,380
So if something is gregiously either likelihood is they're going to drive another half a mile

532
00:49:54,380 --> 00:50:01,300
to the next spot instead, for situations like multi-unit dwelling where there might be

533
00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:06,220
an HOA, that would have to be sometimes collectively decided on.

534
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:13,580
So it depends, but there are some kind of market checks in place to assist with that.

535
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:14,420
Any questions?

536
00:50:16,060 --> 00:50:22,860
Did I hear correctly that you still have roughly 700 level two boards available,

537
00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:29,720
places like libraries for workplace, workplace and fleet charging. So if you have like a town

538
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:36,420
fleet of, you know, even if it's just, you know, two or three vehicles that are becoming,

539
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:41,260
are turning electric and you're looking to have, and you don't even need to have the vehicles,

540
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:48,640
you know, on the site waiting for cargo stations. But if that's, you know, part of your town plans,

541
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:57,400
We can support that. I think we have only 40 or 50 public level twos, which would supply like your public library or town hall.

542
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:17,340
We have about 40 or 50 of those chargers remaining in the bucket. But, like I said, still apply, even if they do get reserved because it's maybe 10 to 20% of all of our level two applications do end up getting canceled for one reason or another and then we just work our way down the list.

543
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:25,360
You also mentioned that each site is only eligible once?

544
00:51:26,180 --> 00:51:30,520
Yeah, each location. So if you have like the library, your town's library,

545
00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:37,960
they're only, for the duration of this nine-year program, they're only eligible for these reservation.

546
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:39,560
This is at one time.

547
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:45,940
Is that, as I'm trying to think about like a public works department that has, you know, a fleet of vehicles.

548
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:55,420
vehicles, and right now they might only have one or two light duty vehicles that would

549
00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:59,620
be fully served by some level two chargers, because they need to charge them overnight.

550
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Five years from now, seven years from now, toward the end of this program, they might

551
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:13,100
want a DC fast charger because they have larger vehicles, bigger batteries, and they're using

552
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:16,680
them a lot more, and they don't have their old diesel trucks to sort of back it up.

553
00:52:17,060 --> 00:52:21,140
So would they be out of luck if they already used this program to install those level two

554
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:21,480
fudgers?

555
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:21,980
Sure.

556
00:52:22,220 --> 00:52:30,220
So a couple new nuances there, but the main one is if they were install level two chargers

557
00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:34,540
tomorrow and in five years they needed more, yes, they would not be eligible in the future.

558
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,620
And that is, you know, from a town planning perspective, that is something to consider.

559
00:52:40,620 --> 00:53:05,940
You know, what is how badly do we need, you know, how useful would these incentives be right now versus if you know in three to five years, you're going to be required to have, you know, to transition your fleet of vehicles, you know, transition another 20 of those 30 vehicles to electric, you know, may make more sense to wait three to five years and capture the incentive at that time.

560
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:10,740
And of course, there's a risk to that as well that maybe everyone's demand goes up at

561
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:16,020
that point in time and workplace chargers, the funding for those is just much more competitive

562
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:16,640
in the future.

563
00:53:17,460 --> 00:53:22,260
None of us really know, but all I can say is you have to just kind of make the best judgment

564
00:53:22,260 --> 00:53:22,960
calls you can.

565
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:31,380
In terms of the medium and heavy duty chargers and the additional hardware required to service

566
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:35,380
those, we don't have a program for medium and heavy duty chargers.

567
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:38,320
and servicing medium and heavy-duty vehicles yet,

568
00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:41,760
but when that does happen,

569
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,680
which they're confident of will in the next,

570
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120
you know, one to three years probably,

571
00:53:48,060 --> 00:53:50,900
we'll have, we'll definitely have multiple campaigns

572
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:52,840
and webinars, things like that,

573
00:53:53,340 --> 00:53:56,720
that will host to educate and get everyone up to speed on.

574
00:53:57,220 --> 00:54:00,560
And if you have a good idea of how you want to,

575
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,520
I guess increase your amount of fleet

576
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:09,160
or whatever case may be, take advantage of the future proofing to make sure you have the infrastructure set up for that.

577
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:18,500
Yeah, so I'm going to hand it off to Joanna and Sam, and yeah, I'll be available at the end for any other questions and things like that.

578
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:19,080
Thanks everybody.

579
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:21,420
Great.

580
00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:22,320
Thank you, David.

581
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:30,090
So this is a brief agenda on what this portion of the presentation will cover.

582
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:35,110
We're going to get into some more project type details on landing, permitting construction.

583
00:54:35,110 --> 00:54:38,850
We will talk about user fees and costs a little bit.

584
00:54:39,310 --> 00:54:45,790
We'll talk about some specific exciting considerations based on actual projects that Sam and I have worked on.

585
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:50,750
Vendor tips to topics to consider when selecting a vendor.

586
00:54:51,010 --> 00:54:56,390
You know, we and EverSource as well are not promoting any one vendor over another.

587
00:54:56,630 --> 00:55:04,250
It's an open market, but we just hope to provide you with some helpful questions to maybe ask vendors as you're looking to select one.

588
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:08,010
and then some lessons learned on actual projects.

589
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:15,350
So moving ahead, Jake already presented a lot of this information on this table.

590
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:17,510
He did a wonderful job.

591
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:24,550
The only addition here is the communications and interface detail here to clarify the level

592
00:55:24,550 --> 00:55:31,670
one residential home charger really doesn't have any communication or software associated

593
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:32,090
with that.

594
00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:36,610
it's not as complicated as a level two and a level three which increase in complexity

595
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:44,070
with network communications, you know fancy user interface screens and software to track

596
00:55:44,070 --> 00:55:51,250
both usage and revenue and it can get more complicated as you move up the levels. So that's the only

597
00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:59,290
thing I would add to this slide aside from what Jake already presented. A little bit of an introduction

598
00:55:59,290 --> 00:56:04,090
to electric vehicles, many of you probably already know this, but there are numerous environmental

599
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:10,170
benefits associated with implementing electric vehicles, as opposed to gas vehicles.

600
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:16,650
Many of you may know that transportation is currently the largest sector for CO2 emissions,

601
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:22,990
so having more electric vehicles on the road and infrastructure to support them will help

602
00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:31,270
to reduce overall emissions and back to here is that approximately 7,000 pounds of CO2 per

603
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:36,570
electric vehicle could be saved each year for each EV that's put on the road. They have

604
00:56:36,570 --> 00:56:44,110
corresponding air quality and health benefits. That is actually a huge benefit to the public

605
00:56:44,110 --> 00:56:51,250
through implementation of EVs and then cost savings. I know that this is one data point we

606
00:56:51,250 --> 00:56:57,090
pulled the average of $1,000 savings per year compared to fossil fuels. I know many people have

607
00:56:57,090 --> 00:57:04,630
felt the pinch of gas prices and EVs would help to mitigate that. I do want to pause here. I'll

608
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:10,850
go to the next slide to share this map. But in this room here, can we have a survey of how many people

609
00:57:10,850 --> 00:57:17,830
drive an electric vehicle or a hybrid vehicle? Is there anyone in this room? Okay, so a couple people.

610
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:22,870
and I would say this is pretty typical of meetings that we have or presentations that we give

611
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:28,130
that there's a smaller number of people who currently drive EVs, but that's certainly expected

612
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:35,830
to increase. This is just a overview map showing the current density of EV charging locations in

613
00:57:35,830 --> 00:57:42,750
New England and part of New York and you know as you can see the EV charging is concentrated in the

614
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:46,690
more urban populated areas, but there is a good smattering.

615
00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:49,950
That will be the whole map here of where you can find

616
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:53,350
EV charging stations throughout New England and New York.

617
00:57:55,710 --> 00:57:59,550
Here we have some examples of installed EV charging stations.

618
00:57:59,750 --> 00:58:01,930
So showing some different configurations.

619
00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:03,310
That's the point of this.

620
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:07,210
The one on the left here is a bus facility in Concord Mass

621
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:08,690
where they have electric buses

622
00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:10,890
and they charge them here at this lot.

623
00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:16,390
the right-hand photo is the ever-sourced headquarters located in Westwood,

624
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:21,850
Massachusetts, where the EV charging stations are there paired with solar

625
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:26,810
canopies. And I'll just mention for anyone that is thinking about this type of

626
00:58:26,810 --> 00:58:32,770
project, a solar project paired with EV is eligible for the investment tax credit

627
00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:37,930
and municipalities are now eligible to take advantage of that as well. So that is

628
00:58:37,930 --> 00:58:45,730
new development as of 2023, which is a huge benefit and bonus to municipalities who could potentially

629
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:52,130
take advantage of that huge tax credit. So we wanted to share this slide as an example of how

630
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:58,830
that could be done and what it could look like. This is just another installed EV charging station.

631
00:58:58,950 --> 00:59:04,850
It happens to be in Belmont, Massachusetts. This is a level three DCFC. So that's a fast charge

632
00:59:04,850 --> 00:59:11,370
there that, you know, if you, it should be available on the app to find charging station locations

633
00:59:11,370 --> 00:59:17,110
and since it is a level three, you could potentially plug in there for about 20 minutes and get

634
00:59:17,110 --> 00:59:23,130
a full charge for your car and then be able to be on your way. So that's just another example.

635
00:59:23,290 --> 00:59:28,570
We wanted to provide a, you know, a range of project types in these, in these slides to share the

636
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:34,950
photos with you. Now I'll pass it to Sam to talk a little bit more about some detail

637
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:38,550
planning and the engineering that goes into a charting station design.

638
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:46,070
That's true. So this is just a way out of the sample parking lots and you can see that

639
00:59:46,070 --> 00:59:56,990
there's a building up to the northwest, I guess, of that possible location. And the reason

640
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:59,030
I was showing this is because you can

641
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,360
Let's think about the planning early or then when you're actually, you know, going to be selecting a contractor or installing a contractor, kind of just high level thinking and planning about where the potential locations are. Should they be closer to the library? Should they be closer to the public parking lots or in the parking lot? There's potential larger cities for curbside charging. So really just thinking about the planning of that.

642
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:39,220
You know, located to other, you know, driving lanes, you know, potentially bike lanes, things like that.

643
01:00:39,780 --> 01:00:58,580
You want to ideally be close to where the ever sourced or new infrastructure for electricity is because that can lower your costs as well as the utilities costs and infrastructure requirements there.

644
01:00:58,580 --> 01:01:07,060
you also want to make sure that there's ADA accessible facilities. So for example,

645
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:16,900
like a curb cut or walkways and crosswalks to help enable people of all, you know,

646
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:27,440
able to use the facilities correctly. And consideration also with like frequency.

647
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:41,220
So like if it's far from an urban area, you know, maybe it would make more sense to be on like one of those corridors where you're tapping into more than one possible.

648
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:56,240
Like use like for example near commuter rail parking station or train station near a bus station for other places where there might be people who are parking for a longer period of time, things like that.

649
01:01:57,180 --> 01:02:05,980
So this is just part of the planning process and then basically there's different configurations.

650
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:11,380
So when you're talking about accessible facilities, you can design.

651
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:22,040
There's a couple different options of how to locate the striping so that you have enough spacing between the spaces and all that stuff.

652
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:33,030
So, this is another view of this is an actual like playing in of when you get a little bit further into process.

653
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:41,490
So, when you submit an application to a resource, the first thing you want to do is have the site plan, you know, as part of your application.

654
01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:51,290
But then after there's some sort of review, you might be able to either sketch up the drawing a little bit better.

655
01:02:51,290 --> 01:02:55,590
or use CAD to design the system better,

656
01:02:55,890 --> 01:02:58,170
and to identify the different components.

657
01:02:58,470 --> 01:03:01,090
So not only where the charging stations are going to go,

658
01:03:01,310 --> 01:03:04,590
but you want to talk about where the conduit is going to go.

659
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:06,210
How are you going to be trashing it,

660
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:08,210
where the setbacks are going to be,

661
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:11,410
where the, if there's a bad amount transformer,

662
01:03:11,830 --> 01:03:13,270
where that spot is going to be,

663
01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:18,850
and think about where the trees are and located to that,

664
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:35,510
And where other barriers might be like fire hydrants or parking meters or other types of poles that could be either in the way or health also direct where you want your charging stations to be.

665
01:03:36,010 --> 01:03:39,950
So there's some good best practices on that so

666
01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:50,070
when it comes to ADA design considerations some of the things that we look at are the existing site conditions.

667
01:03:50,070 --> 01:03:58,310
So existing site conditions included the sidewalks located close or right next to a sidewalk.

668
01:03:58,730 --> 01:04:02,610
If it doesn't have a sidewalk, you might need to create a sidewalk.

669
01:04:04,270 --> 01:04:09,510
Crosswalks, for example, if you need to cross the parking lot to get to a building.

670
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:15,970
For example, and then local to like a building entrance can be priority as well.

671
01:04:15,970 --> 01:04:25,250
So there's also an addition, you know, you want to take into consideration if you are required to have in the accessible spot.

672
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:33,930
You'll also need hash marks next to the space, which typically take up almost a full parking space.

673
01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:43,950
So you kind of want to plan for potentially taking away a parking space or moving the lines a little bit to accommodate.

674
01:04:43,950 --> 01:04:52,510
So standard ADA practice for striping is blue striping, so the paint should do blue.

675
01:04:53,350 --> 01:04:59,590
Standard EDs are typically green, and that's like a federal standard typically.

676
01:05:01,690 --> 01:05:10,010
And then the minimum combined space and aisle width, so that's with the hash marks as well as the parking space itself.

677
01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:17,730
about a 16 feet minimum for that ADA accessible space.

678
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:21,730
All right.

679
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:24,570
I'm going to talk about some general permitting requirements

680
01:05:24,570 --> 01:05:27,390
to install an EV charging station.

681
01:05:27,530 --> 01:05:30,590
We have found that most of the time a building

682
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:32,170
and electrical permit are needed.

683
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:33,430
And that may be it.

684
01:05:33,590 --> 01:05:36,670
So that is not very onerous in terms of permitting requirements.

685
01:05:37,150 --> 01:05:40,170
However, I will mention that the local zoning

686
01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:43,730
Biolog should be checked, and you should do a local zoning review.

687
01:05:44,090 --> 01:05:47,190
Some towns have town-specific permitting requirements.

688
01:05:47,850 --> 01:05:52,990
We found many towns do not yet address EVs in their Biologs,

689
01:05:52,990 --> 01:05:56,830
and that's why only a building and electrical permit are required in the future

690
01:05:56,830 --> 01:06:01,110
that could change as more EVs, EV charging stations are installed.

691
01:06:01,370 --> 01:06:04,490
Some towns may impose additional permitting requirements,

692
01:06:05,010 --> 01:06:08,350
but right now for the most part, it's pretty simple

693
01:06:08,350 --> 01:06:12,330
with just a building and electrical permit you would need to submit a plan, and I'll say

694
01:06:12,330 --> 01:06:15,550
I'm showing some examples of, and then that should be approved.

695
01:06:16,570 --> 01:06:21,690
I also mentioned that Connecticut DOT has its own requirements, especially for the

696
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:27,550
NEBI plan deployment that are going to be deployed along highways or within one mile of highways,

697
01:06:27,790 --> 01:06:33,850
and then Connecticut DEP should be just consulted with as well if you're looking to do a new

698
01:06:33,850 --> 01:06:38,350
development, for example, of your impacting wetland areas, if you're, you know, doing

699
01:06:38,350 --> 01:06:42,330
any kind of new site development, all of the permitting requirements associated with

700
01:06:42,330 --> 01:06:46,810
that site development would need to be followed. But if you have an existing parking lot

701
01:06:46,810 --> 01:06:52,050
and you're simply looking to install EV charging stations in an existing parking lot, building

702
01:06:52,050 --> 01:06:57,390
an electrical permit are really the only two permits that maybe you did in that situation.

703
01:06:57,710 --> 01:07:03,710
So the conclusion is it's not too too onerous in terms of permitting yet, which is good

704
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:04,010
Yes.

705
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:28,380
So back to construction. So when you're getting into actual construction after you go through some of the design and planning, submitting an application to have resource or the local utility, getting some feedback on where the infrastructure is going to be once you get your, you know, incentive and grant approvals.

706
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:40,060
So in terms of the infrastructure, so you might think that the construction of a charging station is just, you know, the station itself, right, because that's all you can see.

707
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:46,980
However, there's a significant portion of construction associated with the electrical infrastructure depending on the project.

708
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,140
So that's just something to consider.

709
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:54,360
For example, you might need to dig some trenches to learn some cables and electrical.

710
01:07:54,940 --> 01:08:00,360
You might need a pad on the ground next to the charging station, or two depending on

711
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,100
the situation.

712
01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:09,640
You might need additional cabling, sometimes you can connect to a pole or a riser which

713
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:14,980
doesn't necessarily have to have a pad mount transformer, however, a lot of situations

714
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:16,600
do require the pad mounts.

715
01:08:17,460 --> 01:08:26,880
So again, you want to be as close as you can to the electric infrastructure to reduce those costs, but when you get into actual construction, that's the first thing you need to do.

716
01:08:26,940 --> 01:08:42,440
That's what's called the make ready process to the utility and that enables you to install everything up to the actual pad, you know, the pad, which is a concrete pad that you're going to put your charging station on. So that's the first step.

717
01:08:42,440 --> 01:08:52,380
So once you're done with your infrastructure, you know, there's obviously the utility needs to have their engineering involved in terms of acceptance of the plants and all that stuff.

718
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:58,440
But once the construction is done with that, then you can start installing your charging station.

719
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:07,160
And the charging station, there's electrical wiring, there's a physical station that gets installed activation of the system.

720
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:32,680
So that typically is like a remote activation through the manufacturer, then there's commissioning and that can be remote or that can be in person that could be technician representative of the manufacturer that's right there with the installer to help with that process and to make sure that it's working properly and all the voltages and sharpness are working correctly and communications and everything.

721
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:39,260
So you want to make sure that that's all commissioned working properly before you make it publicly accessible.

722
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,760
And then after that, then you have some of the civil process.

723
01:09:45,100 --> 01:09:47,720
So you might have repaving of some of the spaces.

724
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:54,680
There might be some regrassing and things like that of some of the spaces behind the charging station,

725
01:09:54,680 --> 01:10:01,500
anything the space is signs and all that included so it's not just the charging

726
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:03,040
station that needs to be constructed.

727
01:10:07,070 --> 01:10:09,930
Okay and then next we just have a high

728
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:15,490
level overview of user fees. I know this question had come up already so user fees

729
01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:21,810
can range from free to what we've seen in general is the 20 20 cents per

730
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:25,600
kilowatt hour to 40 cents per kilowatt hour. We kind of get this question a lot you

731
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:31,120
which fee should we charge for use of our charging station and it depends on a number of factors

732
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:39,440
specific to each owner or customer. But this is a typical cost range that we've seen. If the

733
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:44,660
charge is per kilowatt hour, alternatively, you could charge per hour. We've seen fees in the

734
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:52,500
range of two to four dollars per hour. And then fees can also be imposed if you overstay your limit.

735
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:58,080
So for example, in an urban setting, if people are doing curbside charging, they park

736
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,960
there, EV there overnight, and they incur a fee for charging, but then their car is fully

737
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:07,480
charged, and they are not moving it out of that spot to allow for somebody else to come

738
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:08,280
in and park there.

739
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:15,760
So we'll see fees imposed for overuse of the area, and these are just some options that

740
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:19,520
you can consider if you're looking to install a charging station and you're wondering about

741
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,820
fees, where do I start, what are other people doing?

742
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:30,060
Mention some general parameters that some EV-charging owners use in their fee structure.

743
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,760
So are those for fast charging fees?

744
01:11:34,500 --> 01:11:38,360
This would be, for example, for a level two charger.

745
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:40,360
Yeah, that's a good question.

746
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:43,760
Yeah.

747
01:11:44,020 --> 01:11:49,340
Costs of the units themselves, again, this is a very high level overview or cost will vary

748
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:55,800
per site, per project, and per charging station chosen for installation, but the infrastructure

749
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:03,880
can range 25 to 50,000. I think we've actually seen some that are in excess of 50,000,

750
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:09,040
so 50,000 is not necessarily even the high limit of the make-ready infrastructure, and

751
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,440
that depends on the length of conduit, the distance from existing, measuring an infrastructure,

752
01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:30,160
And that, you know, that's what is in that make ready bucket, getting the site ready for a charging station, the equipment itself, I think Jake had already mentioned this level two charging stations can range from $8,000 to $30,000 each.

753
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:38,340
And then there's a huge jump between level two and level three, which is, you know, we have here 100,000 to $300,000.

754
01:12:38,340 --> 01:12:42,680
And, again, that's a big range in itself, but level through your equipment is certainly

755
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,300
more expensive than level two, and it's a big jump there.

756
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:51,340
And then the installation cost you do need an electrician to install the equipment to

757
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:58,440
do all the wiring that's based on, you know, labor rates and the equipment, but you need

758
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:04,760
to add up these three cost items to really get your total project cost there.

759
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:08,940
it's not just the charging station itself or the infrastructure itself, it's also the labor

760
01:13:08,940 --> 01:13:15,080
and the installation time that goes into installing all of that. So we just wanted to present this

761
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:20,340
to be so people could be mindful of the total true cost of installing an EV charging station.

762
01:13:20,620 --> 01:13:26,140
But the incentives from the utilities absolutely help. So don't let this scare you away.

763
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:31,520
Yes, and that doesn't include things like if you needed the software. It doesn't include that. That

764
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,880
that would all be additional as well, very good point.

765
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:38,220
Yeah, the software, your O&M, your long-term contract

766
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:40,600
with that kind of item would be in addition to this.

767
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:43,650
All right.

768
01:13:45,580 --> 01:13:47,360
So as Joanne, I mentioned earlier,

769
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:50,200
so these are things that you wanna think about

770
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,160
when you're looking at different vendor options.

771
01:13:53,540 --> 01:13:55,320
So like different manufacturer options,

772
01:13:56,860 --> 01:13:58,980
different networking options, et cetera.

773
01:14:00,220 --> 01:14:02,040
So talking about networking,

774
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:07,420
there's a whole variety of different types that I think Jay went into a little bit earlier.

775
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:12,580
Two-way metering, so that's something that's up and coming, and

776
01:14:12,580 --> 01:14:16,440
the abilities are going to want to take advantage of that more and more, so it's possible

777
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:23,920
that they may be incentivized to allow two-way metering charging stations that, for example,

778
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:31,120
might allow vehicles to act as like a storage for their demand-response systems, so that could be

779
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:37,440
something in the future to watch out for as like a future that both the manufacturers as

780
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:41,640
well as the networking capabilities, kind of, research, yeah.

781
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:46,860
Yeah, so like two way metering, another term for it might be like vehicle to grid. So it's

782
01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:51,100
the idea that like a vehicle could then supply electricity back to the grid in a similar way

783
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:56,460
that solar panels, you know, also be the grid that are on like a residential home.

784
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,820
So it's less common right now for

785
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,980
A system that are available, but it's something to watch out for the picture in the next couple of years. Solar tie-ins also, so that might be something we want to see if it's a possibility on the specialty if you're looking to potentially including solar in that space. As Joe mentioned, there's investment tax credits available for stuff like that. And then commissioning is definitely something to look out for, especially when you're talking to manufacturers to see if they include their own form of care.

786
01:15:29,980 --> 01:15:35,660
commissioning as part of their cost because the manufacturers really are the ones who have

787
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:41,920
a lot of the most experience like around the country with these installations. It's the

788
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:46,380
installers that a lot of them are new to this phase because it's really an upcoming market

789
01:15:46,380 --> 01:15:52,900
that the manufacturers because they have the market share. They have a lot of experience actually

790
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:59,440
making sure the systems are working correctly and all that stuff. So sometimes the commissioning

791
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:07,020
might actually include training the installer because the installer might be relatively new to the program, et cetera.

792
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:18,440
And definitely look at warranties because there's options of warranties. There's three years, five years, you know, certain things are included, certain things aren't.

793
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:22,980
So that's definitely something that's there when you're looking at different vendors.

794
01:16:30,090 --> 01:16:36,050
The lessons learned just from the projects that we've been involved with.

795
01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:39,530
So early utility coordination is definitely key.

796
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:47,010
So even through the planning process, especially if you're looking into multiple charging stations, multiple applications,

797
01:16:47,010 --> 01:16:51,590
The earlier the better, the earlier you can talk to your utility account route, Dr.

798
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:57,610
Jake, you know, whoever your local utility rep is, that's the person you want to talk to,

799
01:16:57,710 --> 01:17:01,310
because they're going to know, is there infrastructure here?

800
01:17:01,970 --> 01:17:07,370
Is there going to be additional cost to you or, you know, what are the current, you know,

801
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:12,290
eligible manufacturers and vendors and, you know, installers in the space?

802
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:18,690
So, like, they're the ones that are going to know the space and the incentives and the timeline

803
01:17:18,690 --> 01:17:24,330
for potential of their tie-ins or, you know, incentives and all that stuff. So, the earlier

804
01:17:24,330 --> 01:17:30,490
the better you can talk to them, reducing the delays down to where planning and zoning challenges.

805
01:17:33,390 --> 01:17:41,050
So, if you are planning a installation in a zone that might not be

806
01:17:41,050 --> 01:17:47,250
you appropriate for something like that according to the city or local government, that might be

807
01:17:47,250 --> 01:17:54,150
something that you can think of ahead of time as well. So talking to the planning department in

808
01:17:54,150 --> 01:17:59,570
your town, talking to the transportation division in your town, those are all really important things

809
01:17:59,570 --> 01:18:07,190
to be involved with as well as if there's other owners of this face or cold owners. If it's private

810
01:18:07,190 --> 01:18:12,390
or something like that, and you know, all those considerations, so could I add to that?

811
01:18:12,530 --> 01:18:12,710
Sure.

812
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:19,430
Yeah, so one of the things just is a challenge from our side is implementing the program.

813
01:18:19,770 --> 01:18:25,550
And implementing the incentive program is, you know, different towns have different zoning requirements,

814
01:18:25,850 --> 01:18:31,650
whether it's stamp drawings, sometimes for site designs or not at all.

815
01:18:31,650 --> 01:18:40,250
sometimes it could just be a Google map, satellite view with wire line drawings, very simple line drawings,

816
01:18:40,690 --> 01:18:42,370
describing the installation.

817
01:18:45,690 --> 01:18:51,330
The main challenge there is, because there's inconsistency from town to town,

818
01:18:51,850 --> 01:18:58,050
some of the contractors that we've worked with haven't been able to give accurate costs to municipalities or to their customers,

819
01:18:58,050 --> 01:19:12,030
because it's not always obvious and clear until they've gone through it, what a different town would require in order to have an approved planning and zoning application.

820
01:19:13,150 --> 01:19:20,730
So, you know, my ideal world, if it was possible to, that there was like a, a common simplified,

821
01:19:21,090 --> 01:19:27,750
you know, EV installation, and that could accommodate, you know, decent fast chargers and level two chargers,

822
01:19:28,770 --> 01:19:31,350
that would be great to have just as a standard.

823
01:19:31,610 --> 01:19:36,270
So then customers who are, you know, we're applying or are scoping out these projects,

824
01:19:36,270 --> 01:19:39,530
have a better idea of what to expect in terms of like the total costs.

825
01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:48,030
The main kind of black guy that we've seen happen on this is a customer and a contractor

826
01:19:48,030 --> 01:19:53,650
will sign an agreement, sign a contract for a scope of work, and then the contractor

827
01:19:53,650 --> 01:19:58,650
will go submit the application and then find out that they need stamped architectural drawings

828
01:19:59,110 --> 01:20:04,930
and then go back to the customer and say, sorry, we need another $2,000 in order to accommodate

829
01:20:04,930 --> 01:20:09,670
these additional costs. And that really can, you know, negatively impact those relationships,

830
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:15,930
you know, and those are not always things that the customer is obviously, you know, the

831
01:20:15,930 --> 01:20:21,730
contractor is always aware of because we don't expect them to be experts on each town's

832
01:20:21,730 --> 01:20:26,670
permitting and zoning regulations. It's just something to note that we've seen.

833
01:20:27,550 --> 01:20:33,450
Brief question. Have you had any, have anybody had any concerns about safety issues regarding

834
01:20:34,990 --> 01:20:42,110
Yeah, in the beginning there was, I think it was, there were more safety concerns until

835
01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:47,390
towns actually saw the way the installation happened. So, for example, we saw towns that

836
01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:51,810
required the fire department to be on site when it was being installed because they were

837
01:20:51,810 --> 01:21:01,470
bucketing it under the same zone as a gas station being installed. And it's simply, but it's not

838
01:21:01,470 --> 01:21:07,130
and it's much safer, you know, in talking with electricians that are used to doing these,

839
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:13,970
you know, level two chargers, 240 volt level two chargers are of a similar vein of installing

840
01:21:13,970 --> 01:21:20,330
a dryer plug, right? It's not like that it's an extremely intense installation, but I mean,

841
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:25,010
you can talk to this more. Definitely changes when you get to DC fast chargers, and the total

842
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:30,770
infrastructure required for those as even as well as higher level two chargers, higher capacity

843
01:21:30,770 --> 01:21:41,310
seeable two characters. Yeah, on that note, there is potential issue with fact in certain

844
01:21:41,310 --> 01:21:47,690
areas, not necessarily the station itself because that's a heavy unit, but the cord sometimes

845
01:21:47,690 --> 01:21:54,370
those are cut for copper. So just certain manufacturers have certain features with certain devices

846
01:21:54,370 --> 01:22:04,170
is that are more co-actively thinking protective for more urban areas such as retractable cords

847
01:22:04,170 --> 01:22:09,710
and things like that. They only deploy when in use, when not in use. They retract up into the

848
01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:14,970
unit, things like that. Any concern about the vehicle batteries that they're charging?

849
01:22:14,970 --> 01:22:24,390
No, you know, in general, in terms of like fire hazards, those sort of things, electric

850
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:30,290
vehicles are just on pole safer than, you know, internal combustion engines.

851
01:22:30,730 --> 01:22:34,670
And if you think about, you know, the fire hazard situation, your internal combustion

852
01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:40,930
engine is having thousands of explosions go off every second, right, that it's operating.

853
01:22:40,930 --> 01:22:59,970
And it's, you know, the course their safety measures before it gets to the actual fuel tank, but, you know, they are much more, you know, they are both combustible vehicles, but the internal combustion engine just for the data side of it is more of a fire hazard than an electric vehicle.

854
01:22:59,970 --> 01:23:00,970
Thank you.

855
01:23:04,090 --> 01:23:23,050
Question about standardization and if you could talk a little bit about state of the practice of standardization of plugs or, you know, I've heard stories from past where there's installations for heavy vehicles and then that things are on a date, you know, very quickly.

856
01:23:23,050 --> 01:23:29,910
And also Tesla versus other cars where all that stands right now and how to incorporate

857
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:36,430
that into any designs or we see things stabilized and where you think see things still in flux.

858
01:23:37,650 --> 01:23:45,330
Yeah, I mean, most recently Tesla 4 GM have agreed on the national standard for health for plants.

859
01:23:45,330 --> 01:23:50,110
So there was, you know, there has been competition around that in the past.

860
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:55,210
Let's say J1772, or there are a number of different plug types.

861
01:23:56,210 --> 01:23:59,870
Just for clarity on the EverSource UI program,

862
01:24:00,390 --> 01:24:05,530
we do, that is a requirement for our qualified product list

863
01:24:05,530 --> 01:24:13,430
that it has to have a J1772 plug type in order to be eligible to our program.

864
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:24,770
So at least it's standardized from our end and you know, we will continue to, you know, accept and reflect whatever the national standards are going to be.

865
01:24:25,950 --> 01:24:34,850
And so at least from the plug side, you know, there's definitely consolidation happening among the big OEMs.

866
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,940
Is that what was recently announced is that the Tesla standard was adopted?

867
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:44,120
Yes. It's just the plug?

868
01:24:44,300 --> 01:24:44,520
Yes.

869
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:45,920
Not the station itself.

870
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:47,220
Not the station itself.

871
01:24:47,980 --> 01:24:49,880
And so it's just for normal creature.

872
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,760
The station is the vertical sticker.

873
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:52,360
Correct.

874
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,700
And each station typically has two charging ports?

875
01:24:55,220 --> 01:24:56,880
Not always, but in most cases.

876
01:25:01,150 --> 01:25:03,910
Additional points you want to cover in lessons learned.

877
01:25:04,770 --> 01:25:06,130
Just a couple of quick ones.

878
01:25:06,430 --> 01:25:11,910
So just to help avoid installation delays, I mean, anything can happen.

879
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:15,310
but equipment has been one thing that has been

880
01:25:15,310 --> 01:25:18,790
a typical delay of past few years.

881
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:20,870
There is different types of equipment

882
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:22,050
that comes to the infrastructure

883
01:25:22,050 --> 01:25:26,510
or registration itself, delays with communication

884
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:29,290
with the user factor, depending on where they're located

885
01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:33,570
and where they're at, et cetera.

886
01:25:35,290 --> 01:25:38,870
And application programs to clear there's no delays

887
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:40,830
with the application program, you just submit.

888
01:25:40,830 --> 01:25:57,370
and get a approval relatively quickly, there might be a waiting list potentially with certain programs but, you know, the programs are there to pay customers like us who want to actually as well these things.

889
01:25:58,210 --> 01:26:03,110
And then equipment purchases, I think those already mentioned and scheduling.

890
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:10,570
So just scheduling wise, you just want to make sure you're aware of, you know,

891
01:26:10,850 --> 01:26:15,130
restrictions or anything regarding, you know, the construction that's going on

892
01:26:15,130 --> 01:26:20,230
and the steps that are going to be taken relative to the different construction components,

893
01:26:20,730 --> 01:26:24,210
you know, the infrastructure first that will be stationed itself.

894
01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:30,190
And just to kind of think about how long that's going to take because it might even be a different

895
01:26:30,190 --> 01:26:35,250
installation contractor that does your infrastructure versus the actual station.

896
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:43,070
And definitely letting your public know if it's a library,

897
01:26:43,870 --> 01:26:47,530
giving them a heads up. The main parking lot is going to be unavailable for

898
01:26:47,530 --> 01:26:54,110
x period of time, or if it's a school that has to be that you want to have open for the fall

899
01:26:54,110 --> 01:26:58,230
that you're just planning accordingly to accommodate those different installation timelines.

900
01:26:59,590 --> 01:27:05,150
We had a farmer's market occurring in a parking lot where we were scheduled to install

901
01:27:05,150 --> 01:27:06,270
even for our new station.

902
01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:10,490
We were going to do work that day and then we were informed, oh, the town has a farmer's

903
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:11,450
market every day.

904
01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:14,850
Every day, the week it was on the stage, so you're going to have to come back another day.

905
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:15,930
So just things like that.

906
01:27:18,690 --> 01:27:24,290
The summer even sent us, I mean, that was the main topic of Jake's presentation and I know

907
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:27,230
you're going to talk more about that as well so we can skip over that.

908
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:30,730
this is just a table of summarizing, trying to summarize the

909
01:27:30,730 --> 01:27:33,430
incendence available, but I know that it's certainly going to be more

910
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:34,190
dismashed on that.

911
01:27:36,370 --> 01:27:40,690
Okay, so why don't we talk about some of the federal and state funding

912
01:27:40,690 --> 01:27:46,430
opportunities then we'll have like a final round of Q&A and you know we've got

913
01:27:46,430 --> 01:27:50,970
we've got ample time for that. So the first one we wanted to highlight here and

914
01:27:50,970 --> 01:27:55,590
all this information is available on the CROG website. The first one we wanted

915
01:27:55,590 --> 01:28:04,590
to highlight is a federal program, this reliability and accessibility accelerator grant, and it's

916
01:28:04,590 --> 01:28:13,790
sponsored by Federal Highway of 200 million nationwide, and the funds need to be used to repair

917
01:28:14,170 --> 01:28:23,630
or replace, so not to repair or replace existing, existing publicly accessible level two, or the DC

918
01:28:23,630 --> 01:28:29,870
the fast charging equipment that are broken or non-operational as

919
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,120
of October 11th.

920
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:41,440
And eligible applicants include the state DOTs and local governments like all of our members.

921
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:49,380
Applications are due by November 13th, and here's where you would apply online.

922
01:28:50,940 --> 01:28:57,380
So let's see if we can, I want to see if we can open this up and get into a little more detail with it.

923
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:01,660
It's supposed to be one click, but I

924
01:29:19,740 --> 01:29:20,560
can read this okay.

925
01:29:20,780 --> 01:29:22,980
So that was the summary I just reviewed.

926
01:29:27,420 --> 01:29:31,700
So the analysis that has already been conducted here,

927
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:40,740
there are 12 of these units, either at level 2 or the DC level,

928
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,260
within our region that are considered to be temporarily unavailable and

929
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:52,020
that are eligible for this source of funding. I don't know if we can't remember if

930
01:29:52,020 --> 01:29:58,880
we have any of these towns in the room. Yeah so we do have LA-10 here, but here's

931
01:29:58,880 --> 01:29:59,740
list of towns.

932
01:30:01,070 --> 01:30:06,290
Here's the list of towns, and then check this out. There's more information available here.

933
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:32,680
This is hard to see, I know, but we've gone through the effort to identify all these stations, their exact location as well as the owner and some contact information. So if you're from one of these communities, and the property is privately owned, and you want to reach out to them,

934
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:37,120
You know, you've got the information to do so if you want to be proactive in that regard

935
01:30:40,580 --> 01:30:45,420
I see at least one public one, right to the city of Hartford. We've got one at City Hall here

936
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:49,900
So, you know, we've already gone through this and Matthew's out

937
01:30:50,580 --> 01:30:51,760
for your information

938
01:30:54,140 --> 01:30:58,560
There's something else I wanted to point to here that's not available right now and

939
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:00,940
I'd think

940
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:06,980
Joanna and Sam can probably comment on it as well, which we expect to come back next

941
01:31:06,980 --> 01:31:07,220
year.

942
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:12,910
And that is this CFI discretionary program.

943
01:31:13,670 --> 01:31:15,150
So it's now closed.

944
01:31:15,610 --> 01:31:18,110
It's now closed for this year.

945
01:31:18,730 --> 01:31:20,570
I don't know if anybody here applied.

946
01:31:22,050 --> 01:31:22,650
Any towns?

947
01:31:23,730 --> 01:31:24,770
No, not seeing any hands.

948
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:29,830
But this is something, keep an eye out for what do we think Roger?

949
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:31,570
We might see this again next spring.

950
01:31:35,190 --> 01:31:42,070
Yeah, so this this came out in the spring of this year and I think closed in May or June.

951
01:31:42,850 --> 01:31:50,510
But this is a pretty neat program for charging and fuel or fueling infrastructure equipment.

952
01:31:50,510 --> 01:31:58,490
You know, in there are two categories, the community program and then the alternate fuel corridor program.

953
01:31:58,490 --> 01:32:04,010
And the QUTI grants program I thought was particularly relevant for our members.

954
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:10,390
This is something that can be located on essentially any public facility.

955
01:32:11,130 --> 01:32:16,050
You know, it could be your parking lots, public schools, your parks, etc.

956
01:32:17,250 --> 01:32:22,230
The minimum award is 500,000 maximum award of 15 million.

957
01:32:22,230 --> 01:32:30,570
And so definitely those of you who are looking to implement this technology on a more comprehensive

958
01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:35,730
and robust fashion, keep an eye out for that opportunity next spring.

959
01:32:42,630 --> 01:32:44,770
So a couple of federal programs there,

960
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:52,260
the state program, so this is a part of utilizing

961
01:32:52,260 --> 01:33:00,720
in the National Navi Funds here, and in Connecticut, our DOTs run on this program.

962
01:33:01,220 --> 01:33:08,100
And for this, for Phase I, for Phase I, they've made approximately $15 million available.

963
01:33:09,480 --> 01:33:12,880
Stay wide, but it's more specific than that.

964
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:18,860
So these are really focused on building out fast charging stations in priority areas,

965
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:22,240
what

966
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:28,360
And I believe there are just two in our region and I'll point those out in a minute.

967
01:33:29,340 --> 01:33:38,460
So if the DOT did issue this LOI, so the LOI period is open and applicants who are interested

968
01:33:38,460 --> 01:33:42,600
must submit their LOIs by November 9th.

969
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:49,460
And the DOT does anticipate publishing its RFP early next calendar year.

970
01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:55,920
So, this is limited right now in terms of its applicability.

971
01:33:56,140 --> 01:33:57,140
Let me open the link.

972
01:34:10,010 --> 01:34:13,050
So, this is summary information.

973
01:34:13,270 --> 01:34:14,030
We just reviewed.

974
01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:21,610
So, I think there are 11 locations statewide that are then identified right now.

975
01:34:22,230 --> 01:34:29,030
And there are two in Crocs region, one in Hartford, one out in Wellington.

976
01:34:29,930 --> 01:34:34,910
And again, all this information is available on our website.

977
01:34:34,930 --> 01:34:37,070
Let me see if I can go to the link.

978
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:44,980
And actually, the DOTS consultant, Fusano Niel,

979
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:47,880
has already prepared this interactive map.

980
01:34:54,970 --> 01:34:55,990
You can look at this here.

981
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:58,690
We go to the Hartford location.

982
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:04,680
So they've already mapped this out.

983
01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:09,380
So if you own a facility, an eligible facility,

984
01:35:09,380 --> 01:35:16,020
within this geographic footprint here you can apply for the program. So we've got this geographic

985
01:35:16,020 --> 01:35:24,700
footprint here at Harvard and then one in Wellington as well. Julian and Sam I'm not sure if there's any

986
01:35:24,700 --> 01:35:29,940
additional detail you want to provide on that. One more thing I heard on the conference call about

987
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:38,140
the program they said that the priority areas are important however not excluding and so if you

988
01:35:38,140 --> 01:35:44,100
want to apply from another area, that's okay, but you have to have an argument as why

989
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:48,420
that area is better than others. Okay, everybody catch that, Cavia.

990
01:35:52,130 --> 01:35:53,910
All right, so again, all this info

991
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:56,730
is available on our site.

992
01:36:04,500 --> 01:36:08,180
So that includes our formal presentation. You know, what other questions,

993
01:36:08,180 --> 01:36:13,520
thoughts, comments do we have for any of our presenters? I have a question.

994
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:16,640
Yes,

995
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:21,380
requires both the family over a certain number of units

996
01:36:21,380 --> 01:36:26,040
and commercial to have EV station at least set up

997
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:28,500
so that they can add the actual station

998
01:36:28,500 --> 01:36:30,940
that they want to later, but as part of the building permit

999
01:36:32,420 --> 01:36:35,280
process, they have to wire it, let's just call it that.

1000
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:36,700
I don't know if that's the may,

1001
01:36:36,780 --> 01:36:38,700
I don't know if that's quite new for any of the none

1002
01:36:38,700 --> 01:36:39,900
of that term in youth.

1003
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,060
I'm presuming though, not installing a stage,

1004
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:45,600
you're not eligible for any of this funding

1005
01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:15,580
So that would all be on their own then be correct. Do you know any you have any other details on either the name

1006
01:37:15,580 --> 01:37:17,160
and then you'll find a report being answered.

1007
01:37:17,500 --> 01:37:17,800
That's good.

1008
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,200
All right, thank you for that Patrice.

1009
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,980
We're going to flag it, so we have a,

1010
01:37:23,100 --> 01:37:24,400
and some of you participate in it.

1011
01:37:24,500 --> 01:37:26,580
We've got a planning and development round table.

1012
01:37:26,860 --> 01:37:28,600
We want to make sure we can share that information

1013
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:29,740
with our members there.

1014
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,520
Matter, are you familiar with the grant programs

1015
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:38,280
or DEP as the folks who I got the penalty grant,

1016
01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:39,960
the diesel gate grant?

1017
01:37:40,380 --> 01:37:41,760
How do you want to refer to it?

1018
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:44,580
Just quite vaguely.

1019
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:45,940
I have one of those.

1020
01:37:45,940 --> 01:37:47,700
Okay, do you want to expand on it Kristen?

1021
01:37:47,860 --> 01:37:52,320
I think they would have known about it. My predecessor applied for it, Gary was very good about that sort of thing.

1022
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:58,500
He left me a lot of grants that are picking up the ball from, and this is one of them where we just got the award.

1023
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:06,240
I think at my third week of the point of note, when it came from DUP, we're currently waiting for the finish of the contract.

1024
01:38:07,340 --> 01:38:12,640
Apparently, it takes a very long time to write these documents, but the big takeaway from this was,

1025
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,160
is we're working with Newington Electric

1026
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:17,580
for the grant and then for the installation.

1027
01:38:18,340 --> 01:38:20,400
And there's a 50 week delay on the switch here.

1028
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:24,100
Yeah, so I can't order that, but I've got the contract signed.

1029
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,120
But I have an expiration date on the grant.

1030
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:28,640
I'm gonna have to ask for an extension

1031
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:30,840
because I won't have grant sponsors and things by the way.

1032
01:38:30,900 --> 01:38:32,920
And I think I think they'll respect the,

1033
01:38:33,060 --> 01:38:36,460
I mean, so for example, I work with April

1034
01:38:36,460 --> 01:38:38,440
and like Newington Electric, pretty often.

1035
01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:45,060
And they're multiple, like, Tanzanian Spellies are awarded the BW funds who applied to

1036
01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:50,420
the EverSource incentive program in early 2022 and then just kind of said, hey, we aren't

1037
01:38:50,420 --> 01:38:54,980
actually going to move forward until we find out about the BW grant.

1038
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,540
And those were all when the amounts passed summer.

1039
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:03,480
And like you mentioned, you know, contracts and then material delays are going to, you know,

1040
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:04,980
be out on top of that.

1041
01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:12,740
So just for starters if you, if anyone else has been awarded the DW grant or no of other

1042
01:39:12,740 --> 01:39:18,060
towns that are awarded and have a different source incentive, you know we are at a minimum

1043
01:39:18,580 --> 01:39:24,080
going to be honoring the window, the reservation window you have for the DW so you won't have

1044
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:28,480
to worry about it's already automatically, that's one thing we automatically kind of updated

1045
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:33,640
on our end to recognize the full window that you have for DW to get the installation done

1046
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:37,300
And I would imagine that you're not the only ones.

1047
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,020
And I know for certain you're not the only ones

1048
01:39:40,020 --> 01:39:41,360
experiencing the switch gear delays.

1049
01:39:42,620 --> 01:39:46,240
And it's common to the point where we're consistently

1050
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,300
extending reservations to accommodate those material delays.

1051
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:53,700
The last correspondence I had to do was there in the process

1052
01:39:53,700 --> 01:39:56,140
of moving the money from VW into whatever bucket

1053
01:39:56,140 --> 01:39:57,020
they got to put it into.

1054
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:01,260
And that's part of the reason why the contract hasn't been finalized

1055
01:40:01,260 --> 01:40:05,480
because I have to refer to whatever bucket they put the money into before they can give me the

1056
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:10,780
contract. So I can have my mayor sign it. Got it. Understood. I appreciate the context. It's good

1057
01:40:10,780 --> 01:40:15,020
that it's always helpful for us to have better understanding of that on our end. Yeah. Well,

1058
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,600
I was ready to order this stuff and everybody said hold it, but yeah.

1059
01:40:20,900 --> 01:40:24,700
I mean at least I can put the condoms in the ground, but I can't do that yet either because by

1060
01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:26,420
and buy the material before the grant sign,

1061
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:28,120
then it will be eligible.

1062
01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:31,720
Thank you for raising that, Chris.

1063
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:32,480
Other questions?

1064
01:40:33,100 --> 01:40:33,780
I have the answer.

1065
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,960
It's a public act 22 to 25.

1066
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:44,460
And part of the, part of the planera.

1067
01:40:44,900 --> 01:40:45,200
Okay.

1068
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:52,080
But it does require a certain amount of readiness

1069
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,840
to a site if it needs certain qualifications.

1070
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:56,740
Not for single family loans

1071
01:40:56,740 --> 01:41:00,640
from multiple dwelling complexes under a certain amount.

1072
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,580
I wonder if it's like five and a five enough is what we were required from the city.

1073
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:10,420
We just put in a commercial project with fix and I don't think that was required.

1074
01:41:10,740 --> 01:41:13,260
Okay. Yeah, I'll follow up on it. Thank you.

1075
01:41:13,460 --> 01:41:16,500
All right, I have a question as well.

1076
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:20,480
Unfortunately, I didn't touch on this. I didn't touch on the cost share

1077
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:22,460
for these federal state programs.

1078
01:41:22,460 --> 01:41:29,520
So the typical split we're seeing on these BIL initiatives is 80-20% with a 20% local

1079
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:29,780
match.

1080
01:41:30,900 --> 01:41:37,960
Do you know can any of the ever-sourced grants be utilized or be applied towards the local

1081
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:38,320
match?

1082
01:41:38,660 --> 01:41:39,720
Have you received that question?

1083
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:50,580
So they can't be applied toward, so you can use federal and state grants for projects.

1084
01:41:50,580 --> 01:41:57,460
We have a requirement that up to, you know, up to whatever capacity we have control over

1085
01:41:57,460 --> 01:42:02,060
that we make sure projects are utilizing federal grants before state grants.

1086
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:08,720
And so, you know, how that would look in this situation, if it's an 80-20 split,

1087
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:22,160
If you apply to an ever-sourced program after a federal program, there's an order of

1088
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:36,020
operations and how the incentives are distributed, and what will happen,

1089
01:42:38,620 --> 01:42:38,700
and we just talked

1090
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:46,440
For example, and you have an ever-sourced incentive, how it will go is after you receive

1091
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:53,980
the ever-sourced incentive, we'll then look at what total or proportion of the project

1092
01:42:53,980 --> 01:43:01,020
was covered by ever-sourced incentives, and then they will, you know, add rebates up to 80%

1093
01:43:01,020 --> 01:43:03,380
of the total project costs.

1094
01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:13,120
So there will, the attention is not to ever fully fund the cost of projects, that there

1095
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:21,460
will always be a town or a customer cost at the end of it, and the federal, the state

1096
01:43:21,460 --> 01:43:29,640
or federal agency that is representing the federal funds will kind of be the final

1097
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:35,420
operator to to ensure that there's not an over because the worst case scenario is that, you know,

1098
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:43,460
rate payer funds are overpaying and you have a random customer getting paid money to install

1099
01:43:43,460 --> 01:43:48,180
charging stations. So we do have checks and balances in place to ensure that doesn't happen.

1100
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,940
All right, so that's something we should all know, you know, particularly for the more costly

1101
01:43:54,940 --> 01:43:59,860
infrastructure like those level three fast charging units, you know, for the least exploring

1102
01:43:59,860 --> 01:44:03,480
in that opportunity. Other questions,

1103
01:44:06,660 --> 01:44:06,800
Caitlin?

1104
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:13,220
On the integrated solar one, so by a very limited understanding of how this works, so

1105
01:44:13,220 --> 01:44:18,040
the solar isn't being used to directly power the chargers off. It's going to the grid,

1106
01:44:18,060 --> 01:44:21,280
but it's sort of just looked at as like a survey out of co-occurricated.

1107
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:22,560
Yeah, co-occurricated.

1108
01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:28,280
And thank you for asking that question, because a lot of people mistakenly think that the

1109
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:31,180
Soolar is powering the car and that is not the case.

1110
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:32,260
They end just people looking.

1111
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:35,280
And maybe could you speak to a little bit about sort of like,

1112
01:44:36,100 --> 01:44:38,820
like obviously EVs, you know, they're better than cars,

1113
01:44:38,820 --> 01:44:41,340
but there's the question I think about sort of the sustainability

1114
01:44:41,340 --> 01:44:45,540
of sort of the whole process as far as like the energy generation

1115
01:44:45,980 --> 01:44:48,620
and then the car and then the light cycle of the car

1116
01:44:48,620 --> 01:44:49,260
and the battery.

1117
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,060
So like, and maybe that ties in a bit too.

1118
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:54,340
Maybe also I had a question, like sort of group capacity.

1119
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:56,800
In general, that's another question.

1120
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,980
I mean, no, that's a good, I mean, to wrap it.

1121
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,740
I mean, the total lifecycle of a combustion vehicle, including construction, you know, through end of life, compared to that of an EV, including construction of the EV, the EV, even with the rare earth mineral minerals required. And the, you know, the more intensive process to build the battery is still 70% of the total environmental impacts of a combustion vehicle. So, when you're looking at the entire lifecycle, even knowing that the

1122
01:45:29,740 --> 01:45:33,640
up front environmental impacts and EV are greater than that of a

1123
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:38,920
combustor vehicle right now. The total life cycle of that vehicle is still has a

1124
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:39,620
smaller impact.

1125
01:45:41,740 --> 01:45:46,620
We had an all hands ever sourced just two weeks ago and

1126
01:45:46,620 --> 01:45:52,740
similar questions were coming up in regards to heat pumps because again we're

1127
01:45:52,740 --> 01:45:56,940
electrifying more of the grid decarbonizing, you know how buildings are being

1128
01:45:56,940 --> 01:46:03,760
heated and one of the questions that popped up was, well, if the electricity being generated

1129
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:09,760
is with natural gas right now, if we're electrifying the grid, it's still being powered

1130
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:19,140
by a fossil fuel, what is the break point there in terms of overall efficiency, and with

1131
01:46:19,140 --> 01:46:26,060
the exception of the coldest months, for this is just talking about heat pumps, with certain

1132
01:46:26,060 --> 01:46:32,000
exemptions throughout the course of the year, it's still better than, you know, a diesel

1133
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:39,420
furnace in your home, and then similarly for electric vehicles, even if the way the electricity

1134
01:46:39,420 --> 01:46:42,660
is being generated today is not ideal.

1135
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:51,800
You're still preparing overall transportation to be ready for, you know, renewable electric

1136
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:57,960
generation, as well as still, you know, what we're really trying to curb here and the whole point

1137
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:08,240
of electrifying transportation is reducing the impacts of carbon emissions in higher populated

1138
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:18,900
areas as one of the most impacted places. So, you know, the part of that trade off is, you know,

1139
01:47:18,900 --> 01:47:22,420
of ideally less kids that have asthma just

1140
01:47:22,420 --> 01:47:25,340
from being in a highly air-fluted area.

1141
01:47:26,380 --> 01:47:31,660
And so that's also part of what goes into does it make sense

1142
01:47:32,290 --> 01:47:34,800
under any other thoughts to add to it?

1143
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:35,620
That's pretty much the end.

1144
01:47:38,820 --> 01:47:39,120
All right.

1145
01:47:39,380 --> 01:47:39,920
Other questions?

1146
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:41,600
Dr. Roger in the data.

1147
01:47:41,660 --> 01:47:44,120
I'm going to have a program of my understanding

1148
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:45,480
mad head up on the screen.

1149
01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:48,960
There was an November like ninth date for a letter of interest.

1150
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:50,300
But I didn't go to the webinar.

1151
01:47:50,300 --> 01:48:04,240
My understanding was that isn't required, but they're kind of encouraging that potential applicants would be prepared without the request for proposal that's coming out like in January or February or something like that.

1152
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,680
Does anybody has more information about that?

1153
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:15,120
Yes, you have to submit the letter of intent as a, you know, potential plier to the RFP.

1154
01:48:15,620 --> 01:48:19,760
You should be able to be eligible to be a better OARP.

1155
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,060
You have to submit that first.

1156
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:23,240
Thank you.

1157
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:31,500
And you do not have to have a letter of support for the building owner or the landowner or anything like that.

1158
01:48:31,500 --> 01:48:37,240
you know that but that is going to be required when you want some of your

1159
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:42,560
our paint okay so start thinking about that part okay if you don't have to be

1160
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:48,740
a landowner to submit a letter of intent in that area I mean you could be a

1161
01:48:48,740 --> 01:48:57,260
city oh yeah you could be planning to lease but I have a building on our gas station

1162
01:48:57,260 --> 01:49:00,420
on our, you know, any of the above for anybody.

1163
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:04,400
Thank you for using that, Roger.

1164
01:49:04,700 --> 01:49:06,580
David, you had a question as well.

1165
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:13,080
You alluded to a tax credit program for co-located solar

1166
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:14,380
and EV charging.

1167
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:20,540
How does that differ from tax credits available for solar

1168
01:49:21,190 --> 01:49:23,880
and EV charging that may not be co-located?

1169
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:27,960
Is there a special program that kind of layers on top

1170
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:28,940
for co-locating?

1171
01:49:28,940 --> 01:49:33,560
So that's a great question. It's the same program that exists now, the investment tax credit,

1172
01:49:33,580 --> 01:49:41,960
which is now back up to 30 percent. But the change that was not previously available to municipalities

1173
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:48,560
to take advantage of and it now is. So that's what the change is. And I'm saying if you install

1174
01:49:49,100 --> 01:49:54,720
solar and EV, both components of that project are eligible for the investment tax credit.

1175
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:57,920
If you

1176
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:03,560
just install EV, that's Ellenville as well. But the bigger bang for your buck would be to do both

1177
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:09,880
together because it's such a high tax credit that you could take advantage of it for both aspects

1178
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:14,940
of the project combined, and then changes that it's now available to municipalities whereas previously

1179
01:50:14,940 --> 01:50:22,260
was only available to the revenues. And then I'll see you get all the benefits of sharing cognitive

1180
01:50:22,260 --> 01:50:27,300
infrastructure right when they're actually on top of each other or you're not you know they're

1181
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:32,360
in two separate areas then you have a lot of additional trenching conduit and potentially panels

1182
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:36,400
are metering that has to take place whereas when they're stacked on top of each other they can share

1183
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:37,800
a lot of that and reduce costs.

1184
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,820
Yeah it's a intriguing model to think about for sure. Other questions?

1185
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:50,680
I wish there was one further down to that.

1186
01:50:50,980 --> 01:50:52,820
That kind of another sort of amorphous question.

1187
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:58,680
I think anything specific related to sort of the maybe it's multi-family siding,

1188
01:50:58,980 --> 01:51:02,800
and that maybe it's also relative specific to the ever source incentive program.

1189
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:04,740
I think you said it's also public.

1190
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:07,500
But then you also mentioned it like each of ways as an example.

1191
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:11,620
And so I'm just wondering like is it still a requirement that the multi-family siding

1192
01:51:11,620 --> 01:51:16,900
is still publicly accessible, and I was also more generally curious to going to

1193
01:51:16,900 --> 01:51:21,040
latch you. Are we seeing, I guess, for the

1194
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:25,800
Eversers program, then being located not in the underserved areas? Like, is that

1195
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:30,100
more targeted towards? We're not targeted, but you know, no, no, no, all the

1196
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:35,060
questions. So, there is not a requirement for multi-unit dwelling

1197
01:51:35,060 --> 01:51:40,920
installations to be publicly available. And, you know, how does that actually, how

1198
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,500
How does a customer actually interact with a publicly available charger?

1199
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:44,580
What does that actually look like?

1200
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:51,340
Well, on, let's say if you have an application on your phone for Amtup, which is a network

1201
01:51:51,340 --> 01:51:57,340
of chargers, you don't think of it like a cell phone, cell phone service area, you open

1202
01:51:57,340 --> 01:52:01,540
up your app for Amtup and you look for chargers that are available.

1203
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:08,240
The ones that are at a multi-unit dwelling are not required to be listed as publicly available

1204
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:12,920
charging stations because the IDM, the intent is that they're serving the residents, right?

1205
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:18,520
Whereas the ones like I mentioned earlier are available, you know, those 12-hour chunks

1206
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:24,520
of business days are going to be listed as publicly available, charge setting one could

1207
01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:25,360
drive up to.

1208
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:33,180
In regards to, you know, baseline versus underserved communities, it's different for each of

1209
01:52:33,180 --> 01:52:43,220
the industry sectors, but currently we've seen a, I'm trying to remember if it's which

1210
01:52:43,220 --> 01:52:51,600
way the spread is. So we had it in our annual review, but I believe it is 60, 40, or 60%

1211
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:58,760
of all of our applications are on the baseline side, and then 40% are on the underserved side.

1212
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:07,620
So it definitely has assisted in making sure that we're getting, you know, more broad market penetration, but I'll confirm that.

1213
01:53:07,980 --> 01:53:08,280
Thank

1214
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:12,840
you, Caitlin.

1215
01:53:13,540 --> 01:53:14,080
Other questions?

1216
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:19,100
How about it?

1217
01:53:19,200 --> 01:53:21,320
Find the investment expert over the Amazon program.

1218
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:23,300
Yes.

1219
01:53:24,440 --> 01:53:24,980
Thanks for that.

1220
01:53:26,380 --> 01:53:27,360
Let's take the question.

1221
01:53:29,100 --> 01:53:29,900
Any others?

1222
01:53:32,180 --> 01:53:38,080
Just ask the general questions, sort of like your opinions on what are the biggest challenges to overcome?

1223
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:42,740
come in the next, I don't know, five years or so on EV adoption?

1224
01:53:43,240 --> 01:53:50,120
Yeah, from the, I'm not as concerned about the EV adoption side. I mean, in terms of market

1225
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:59,500
trends, of purchases of electric vehicles, that is definitely, you know, it's been doubling

1226
01:53:59,500 --> 01:54:05,840
every year essentially for the past five years. So I'm not as concerned from the, you know,

1227
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:13,640
from the individual wanting to purchase an e-mail system from like the infrastructure side

1228
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:17,000
I think we're on the right track and we're going to be learning you know JL and I

1229
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:22,220
JL specifically is going to be learning a lot more over the next year or two in terms of how often our different

1230
01:54:22,220 --> 01:54:27,040
Chargers being used, how long they're being used for you know are the different rates or

1231
01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:35,280
costs per charge types that are more attractive or less attractive to customers. So we'll learn a little bit more on that

1232
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:41,020
if there's anything that's really acting as a roadblock, but from, you know, really from my perspective,

1233
01:54:41,740 --> 01:54:47,680
as I'm seeing the infrastructure being built out and the challenges of it, permitting and zoning

1234
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:54,600
and supply chain are the two biggest issues we have. I've worked with multiple contractors who have

1235
01:54:54,600 --> 01:55:02,160
been held up by permitting and zoning six to eight months for a project because they're getting

1236
01:55:02,160 --> 01:55:07,740
just kind of spoon-fed, small changes that have to happen to their project, or you know they're

1237
01:55:07,740 --> 01:55:12,580
not getting feedback for two to three months at a time and then when they are it's because they

1238
01:55:12,580 --> 01:55:16,840
have to tweak their application and then wait for another month or two before they get feedback. So

1239
01:55:17,980 --> 01:55:24,320
that is directly impacting how quickly the infrastructure is being installed and then as well

1240
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:30,240
you know the supply chain. It's a bigger concern on the DC fast charger side because

1241
01:55:31,300 --> 01:55:38,800
It's higher tech components required to accommodate them, but even from some of the larger

1242
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:43,920
level 2 installations that students will require switch gears or new meter sockets, those

1243
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:48,400
are delayed sometimes three, six months or a year depending on the component required.

1244
01:55:48,980 --> 01:56:00,220
Yeah, and when it comes to all that, in regards to a pipeline status, we keep track of all

1245
01:56:00,220 --> 01:56:07,180
filming of a project. For example, so if it's a supply chain, you know, related issue, or if it's

1246
01:56:07,180 --> 01:56:12,780
permitting and zoning, we're looking to find measures to intervene, right? For example,

1247
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:18,900
if there's a particular town that has more issues than others, then we'll leverage our ability

1248
01:56:19,540 --> 01:56:24,720
to work with community relations, internally to try to mitigate these issues.

1249
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:35,800
So, you know, we've talked a lot about these charging stations like in maybe public

1250
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:42,760
accessible areas, but I can see what about from the standpoint of people just charging

1251
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:43,400
at home.

1252
01:56:43,540 --> 01:56:49,660
And I could see a situation where ranges increase for vehicles that people are mainly charging

1253
01:56:49,660 --> 01:56:55,200
at home? Are there incentive programs or are there any barriers to folks in

1254
01:56:55,200 --> 01:57:00,960
spelling, other types of chargers at home or what do you see for like land, land

1255
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:07,460
whether any barriers and codes or regulations that? Yeah, on the residential side

1256
01:57:07,460 --> 01:57:11,540
we do have a residential incentive program so we have similarly on the

1257
01:57:11,540 --> 01:57:17,660
residential side a 12-5 product list where we will rebate $100 for each of those

1258
01:57:17,660 --> 01:57:24,840
those chargers, those charter costs are, you know, anywhere between $600, $2,000, so it's

1259
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:30,960
a significant incentive for our Qualified Product List Chargers on the residential side,

1260
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:37,220
as well as 500 any wiring upgrades needed to install them.

1261
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:43,840
And then we also have a, what's called, managed charging program that customers can't, would

1262
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:53,420
could also apply to and take part at which essentially helps them, helps set up a charging

1263
01:57:53,420 --> 01:57:57,320
time frame for their vehicle. So they, you know, they can come home at 5 o'clock and

1264
01:57:57,320 --> 01:58:02,620
I plug it in, but the charger wouldn't start charging your vehicle until 9 o'clock at night

1265
01:58:02,620 --> 01:58:10,120
where the cost to charge their vehicle would be lower. So there is a residential program

1266
01:58:11,620 --> 01:58:16,960
In regards to safety, like I mentioned earlier, a residential level 2 charger is the same

1267
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:17,220
thing.

1268
01:58:17,340 --> 01:58:19,280
It's just a dryer plug that's being installed.

1269
01:58:21,150 --> 01:58:27,080
From the safety standpoint, level 2 chargers could just have a dryer plug, or they can

1270
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:31,640
be wired directly to a panel, being wired directly to the panels to clean the safer option,

1271
01:58:32,500 --> 01:58:37,860
just because the amount of electricity that's passing through is pretty high for a long duration

1272
01:58:37,860 --> 01:58:38,260
of time.

1273
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:46,800
And then overall in terms of adoption on that end, if you have a Tesla and a Tesla

1274
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:51,340
charger is not currently on our residential level 2 qualified product list, you can still buy a

1275
01:58:51,340 --> 01:58:56,220
Tesla charger. You would pay for that wholly out of pocket, but you can still obtain the $500

1276
01:58:56,220 --> 01:59:02,420
for the wiring upgrade as well as participating in the managed charging program. So we're very flexible

1277
01:59:02,420 --> 01:59:06,480
in terms of, you know, accommodating what customer vehicles,

1278
01:59:06,860 --> 01:59:09,500
residential vehicles they have, and how they can participate.

1279
01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:13,960
How about one more question?

1280
01:59:14,380 --> 01:59:16,240
Well, we'll take two more. I think I see two minutes.

1281
01:59:16,500 --> 01:59:17,880
Go ahead, ask them. Mine's the clarification.

1282
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:18,760
It's okay.

1283
01:59:20,040 --> 01:59:21,080
David, did you have one?

1284
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:26,180
My question was just about the charging standards, the J-1772,

1285
01:59:26,460 --> 01:59:27,880
versus the Tesla funds.

1286
01:59:28,540 --> 01:59:31,780
Did I hear correctly that you're currently requiring

1287
01:59:32,420 --> 01:59:39,320
In order to qualify for your incentives a J-17-72 that is increasing that right

1288
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:40,040
applied

1289
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:44,420
And if if all of these manufacturers have

1290
01:59:45,060 --> 01:59:49,020
You know over the next two three years are switching to the other kind of plug

1291
01:59:49,820 --> 01:59:56,060
How easy are difficult how costly is it to change the

1292
01:59:57,140 --> 01:59:59,980
Yeah, so on on all of these chargers the

1293
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,560
All right. I'm going to just have internet right now. The I'll have to get back on terms of, you know, when the the national plug standards rolling out, and I have to confirm, I can't remember if I talk my head if it is then moving to the J 1772 or not. You know, currently when it comes to Tesla, they have what's called the magic doc is their their latest charge station, which.

1294
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:40,300
accommodates, you know, the older Tesla models as well as the new plug standards. And it's,

1295
02:00:40,580 --> 02:00:47,860
you know, we recently approved that particular core connection for our DC fast charger program.

1296
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:58,740
So there's no immediate concerns over, you know, connectivity or incompatibility with electric vehicles.

1297
02:00:58,740 --> 02:01:07,040
and most cases, you know, there are, they cost, they're relative, the costs are fairly relative,

1298
02:01:07,180 --> 02:01:11,300
depending on the type of vehicle you have, how old it is and the connection type you're connecting

1299
02:01:11,300 --> 02:01:17,300
to. But, you know, there are single-piece adapters, you know, essentially to have your car be able to

1300
02:01:17,300 --> 02:01:21,020
charge from, you know, multiple charger types if it doesn't immediately accommodate it. So,

1301
02:01:21,020 --> 02:01:28,180
So the expectation isn't going to be, you know, like my town hall just has this outdated

1302
02:01:28,180 --> 02:01:30,300
plug type, and I can't get a charge there.

1303
02:01:31,380 --> 02:01:36,780
It's mostly, you know, especially, it'll be mostly more on the EV owner char or owner

1304
02:01:36,780 --> 02:01:42,880
and operators to say, oh, you know, I have an old EV and I have, you know, universal plug

1305
02:01:43,500 --> 02:01:44,880
adapter for my vehicle.

1306
02:01:46,820 --> 02:01:47,320
Thank you.

1307
02:01:47,320 --> 02:02:15,320
Thank you. Good question. Cheers. So last word on this public at 22 to 25. Section 5c starts on page 15 of 35 and it took it started in January, January 1st, 2023 of the municipality shall require each new construction of a commercial building or multi unit residential building with 30 or more designated parking spaces.

1308
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:25,800
So it's not by unit. It's by parking spaces. So if you have 30 or more parking spaces for cars or like to be trucks, they have to include electrical vehicle charging infrastructure.

1309
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:35,300
That's capable of supporting level to vehicle charging stations or direct current fast charging stations. So we have read that to me. You have to

1310
02:02:35,300 --> 02:02:38,520
to get everything but the actual charging station there.

1311
02:02:38,660 --> 02:02:41,120
So they decided to put that in and they did that and put it in.

1312
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:42,340
But it is the requirement.

1313
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,880
And it's kind of interesting because the state is trying

1314
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:50,640
to do away with minimal parking requirements and all that.

1315
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:53,240
So I'm wondering how that conflicts a little bit.

1316
02:02:53,940 --> 02:02:55,340
But I'm sorry.

1317
02:02:55,900 --> 02:02:57,940
You were reading that I was wondering if it's based

1318
02:02:57,940 --> 02:03:00,180
on the parking requirement or based on what's actually

1319
02:03:00,660 --> 02:03:02,640
installed on the developer that was so late.

1320
02:03:03,160 --> 02:03:08,080
a blue rating that the parking requirements are not because they still put it in whatever they feel is necessary.

1321
02:03:08,520 --> 02:03:14,740
You'll hit that 30, if they have 30. So it doesn't say whether they're required or not.

1322
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:19,280
So, you know, a large whole unit conflict is not in a large portfolio.

1323
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:23,540
Properties are obviously going to have board space.

1324
02:03:24,580 --> 02:03:27,180
If we could dig into those, but we're going to force it.

1325
02:03:27,460 --> 02:03:28,900
Yeah, they're going to have to do that.

1326
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:43,620
Right, and I don't believe it's our building department feels it's under there for a few building officials that they would require the infrastructure to be there before the SCO is issued on property.

1327
02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:46,720
So we're treating it through the building department now.

1328
02:03:47,740 --> 02:03:48,980
No, it's not.

1329
02:03:50,740 --> 02:03:51,300
All

1330
02:03:53,890 --> 02:03:56,170
right, well, how about a big round of applause.

1331
02:03:56,170 --> 02:03:57,450
our presenters here today.

1332
02:04:01,630 --> 02:04:05,130
Thank you so much and thank all of you for attending today. We did

1333
02:04:05,130 --> 02:04:11,310
report this session. We did report this session. We'll make it available and we'll send out the

1334
02:04:11,310 --> 02:04:16,870
presentations as well. So I hope you all attend our next workshop in the series. Thank you.

1335
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:39,820
I'm sorry, doesn't it?

1336
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:46,300
No, I'm sorry, doesn't it?

1337
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:48,580
I was chasing it all the time.

1338
02:04:50,140 --> 02:04:53,300
I think you guys don't really remember.

1339
02:05:58,140 --> 02:06:00,000
We can't say it's critical.

1340
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:01,680
We can't say it's critical.

1341
02:06:01,680 --> 02:06:06,360
It's a personal experience but there's a lot of time.

1342
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:15,240
There's deep down to it.

1343
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:19,760
The business itself is full of practice.

1344
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:21,720
So we have to stop there.

1345
02:06:22,980 --> 02:06:26,840
It's the國家's place that we can't see.