1 00:00:01,870 --> 00:00:08,810 Good evening. It's 6 o'clock and we will call the Carbondale City Council meeting to order. First on the agenda is roll call, please. 2 00:00:09,730 --> 00:00:11,050 Council Member Colombo. 3 00:00:12,010 --> 00:00:12,350 Present. 4 00:00:12,910 --> 00:00:13,970 Council Member Kilman. 5 00:00:14,570 --> 00:00:14,850 Present. 6 00:00:15,350 --> 00:00:16,190 Council Member Lowes. 7 00:00:17,890 --> 00:00:18,370 Present. 8 00:00:19,390 --> 00:00:20,590 Council Member Maxwell. 9 00:00:21,290 --> 00:00:21,670 Present. 10 00:00:22,470 --> 00:00:23,550 Council Member Roberts. 11 00:00:23,990 --> 00:00:24,310 Present. 12 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:26,110 Council Member Stanfield. 13 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:27,050 Present. 14 00:00:27,650 --> 00:00:28,270 Mayor Harvey. 15 00:00:28,850 --> 00:00:29,230 Present. 16 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:32,730 and next on the agenda, citizens comments and questions. 17 00:00:35,980 --> 00:00:38,220 City council meetings are deliberative sessions 18 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:39,940 by members of the governing body. 19 00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,340 Civility and decorum are expected 20 00:00:43,340 --> 00:00:45,780 and will be required at all times. 21 00:00:46,300 --> 00:00:49,140 Public comment is encouraged at all public meetings, 22 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,320 but the primary purpose of the meeting is for the council 23 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,740 to discuss and determine public policy for the city. 24 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Members of the public may address the city council 25 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,400 during the public comment agenda item 26 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,820 for only those items that are relevant to city business such as information about city events. 27 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,460 Issues that the municipality has the authority to address, previously debated items, 28 00:01:14,860 --> 00:01:17,480 and items that the council may consider in the future. 29 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:23,320 The mayor shall strictly restrain comments and questions to matters that are relevant to city business 30 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:26,080 and shall not permit repetitious comments. 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:33,340 All other agenda items will also include an opportunity for public comments in accordance 32 00:01:33,340 --> 00:01:36,760 with the rules adopted and codified by the city council. 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,120 Speakers should wait to be recognized before they proceed to the podium and should begin 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:47,040 their statement by first stating their name and whether or not they are resident of the 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:47,320 city. 36 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,480 A speaker who represents an organization or other person must identify the organization 37 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,380 or person. 38 00:01:54,380 --> 00:02:03,480 Public comments are to be directed to the city council as a whole and not to individual councilmembers or individual city staff. 39 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:08,560 The city council and staff are not required to respond to comments and questions. 40 00:02:09,220 --> 00:02:13,460 Speakers may comment up to four minutes per item once per person. 41 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,600 No speaker may give their allotted minutes to another person or group. 42 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:23,360 A maximum of 30 minutes will be permitted for public comments and a maximum of 20 minutes 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,380 per agenda item will be allowed for public comments on all of the items except public hearings. 44 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:32,240 Are there any citizens who wish to comment? 45 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:35,180 Mr. Cooper? 46 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,040 My name is James Cooper Jr., Carbondale Citizen. 47 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,780 I'm a medical discharge diagnosed with asthma, mental health disorders, disabled, afro-american 48 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:55,060 retic. 49 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:58,600 I want to thank anyone, black, white, brown and others, continuing to stand up 50 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:59,080 for democracy. 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,380 I have a mixture of a question or two prepped by a brief comment or to what I say is city business first amendment 52 00:03:04,380 --> 00:03:08,420 Right freedom speech my speech is well under four minutes allowed for each of the speak 53 00:03:08,420 --> 00:03:12,100 This is an update from last 16 city council meetings 54 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:18,180 I've received no summits appearing court from Jackson County court knowing the rest of me regarding the February 22nd 2018 55 00:03:18,180 --> 00:03:24,320 Carpenter police report against me saying I'm breaking the law. I dispute it for the wreck for the public TV 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,260 audience and city council. Simple question. Respectfully, what's the reason why 57 00:03:28,260 --> 00:03:32,720 Carminell Black Preachers, Carminell NAACP, say they offer everyone's due process, 58 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,060 law rights, equal rights, and against discrimination, haven't demanded slash 59 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:41,980 assisted in writing as I requested that Jackson County court prosecutors and 60 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:46,160 judges to exonerate me or take me a black man to jury trial regarding the 61 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:51,120 1992 Jackson County wrongful case against me, etc. This is city business. 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,800 the city council. The FBI 63 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,100 headquarters in Washington DC 64 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:56,920 internal revenue service. 65 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:57,760 Jackson County State 66 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,780 Attorney Marcia Case, Ohio 67 00:03:58,780 --> 00:04:00,760 Carminell City Manager, U.S. 68 00:04:00,980 --> 00:04:01,480 Attorney for the Southern 69 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,680 District of Illinois. Illinois 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,860 Governor J.B. Pritzker, Carminell 71 00:04:04,860 --> 00:04:06,820 NAACP, Carminell Police Chief, 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,600 Carminell Postmaster, Jackson 73 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,960 County Court Christian Hill, 74 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:11,600 Carminell Black Churches and 75 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:12,860 others are being certified mail 76 00:04:12,860 --> 00:04:14,220 from Carminell Post Office 77 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:15,240 for court records and others. 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,280 My October 27, 2025 declaration 79 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:19,820 after David that I, James 80 00:04:19,820 --> 00:04:22,940 James Cooper, Jr. was told by a library resource that various white 81 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:26,680 thoughts told Carmelette NWSP, Carmelette Black Preachers, being 82 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,940 intimidated and scared to shut up, don't talk against white 83 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:33,000 authorities to continue allowing me, black men, to be 84 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,520 persecuted by authorities and if they're being together and 85 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,300 assist the man in writing as I requested to Jackson County 86 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:43,340 Court prosecutors and judges to immediately summons me to 87 00:04:43,340 --> 00:04:46,020 Jackson County Court and design them or take me to the 88 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:48,440 jury trial regarding the 1992 Jackson County Rome for 89 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,160 excuse me, case number 92 CF-85. 90 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:52,760 The file, Carminell Police Report, 91 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:54,940 they would kill them too. 92 00:04:55,660 --> 00:04:57,000 This is a copy of that affidavit. 93 00:05:01,020 --> 00:05:04,220 Also included with my October 27th affidavit 94 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:07,020 for records for the FBI, Carminell, NAACP, 95 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,800 all Carminell Black Churches, Carminell, 96 00:05:08,860 --> 00:05:10,660 City Mans, Carminell Police, the courts 97 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:12,660 and others are copies of the Jackson County Court 98 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:15,720 Dock Sheet Entrance, case number 92 CF-85 99 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,020 as follows, 926 Docket Entry, 100 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,240 my September 22nd, 2025 Declaration Affidavit. 101 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,980 that some Jackson County court judge and prosecutors U.S. Attorney for some just 102 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:29,840 Illinois Stephen White winehole a racist and others operate like they include 103 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:33,820 clubs plan still trying to frame me James Cooper junior for any felony to 104 00:05:33,820 --> 00:05:37,900 keep hitting the mask cover-up of me by the director and assistant director the 105 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:42,140 1992 Jackson County room for conviction against me case number 92 CF 85 106 00:05:42,140 --> 00:05:45,460 involvement process to a misunderstanding this copy of that 107 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:56,390 Dr. Sheet. And the 715.2025 Dr. Sheet entrance to my June 21st, 2025 declaration of affidavit that 108 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:59,190 U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Illinois Stephen Wynnehoff and other 109 00:05:59,190 --> 00:06:03,150 authorities have several Carmeldale Post Office employees and others in on the 110 00:06:03,150 --> 00:06:05,830 corruption against me who are submitting statements for an affidavit for 111 00:06:05,830 --> 00:06:09,490 search warrant although no crime to try to justify to a judge to issue an 112 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:13,350 illegal search warrant on my resident and go on a fishing exhibition for the 113 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:19,330 right violation and my June 23rd 2025 decorations that I told the FBI, Illinois 114 00:06:19,330 --> 00:06:23,310 State Police and other authorities their confidential informants in on 115 00:06:23,310 --> 00:06:26,630 corruption and others that my fifth amendment right is invoked at all times 116 00:06:26,630 --> 00:06:30,310 maybe me being subject to the state and federal prosecution slash 117 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:35,130 persecution since for any felony including tax evasion these copy of 118 00:06:35,130 --> 00:06:38,490 those doc doc sheet entries question 119 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:42,200 didn't some authorities go all around 120 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:49,380 Complaining making a big shout now see it work it out. That's county juror trial or is on rate me immediately 121 00:06:49,980 --> 00:06:52,340 All glory goes God. Thank you. 122 00:06:55,090 --> 00:06:56,130 Anyone else? 123 00:06:56,670 --> 00:06:57,230 Yes, 124 00:07:00,540 --> 00:07:03,140 no, no, no in the back 125 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:13,900 Hello, I'm Jennifer Lampkins. I am a resident of carbonyl and today I'm representing carbonyl United 126 00:07:13,900 --> 00:07:15,960 We are having a free day drive 127 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:23,400 And we are collecting items from now until November 10th such things as hats and gloves hand warmers 128 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,540 hand sanitizer, duffel bags, blankets, sleeping bags, 129 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,280 clothing, shoes and boots, tents, small furniture, 130 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,980 toiletries, coats and jackets, household items and toys. 131 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:34,620 This will be for our free community day, 132 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:37,020 which will be Saturday, November 15th 133 00:07:37,020 --> 00:07:38,700 at the Collaboration Center in Carbondale. 134 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:42,460 Homeless services will be from 11 to one 135 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:44,940 and that will include a hot meal, warm clothes, 136 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:47,060 hygiene kits, resources and referrals, 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:48,640 support and compassion. 138 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,700 Community services will be from one to four 139 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:56,060 for free groceries, community resources, raffle prizes, winter items and local 140 00:07:56,060 --> 00:08:00,760 agencies and vendors. Let us come together and uplift our community. Thank you. 141 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,480 Okay, now Erika. 142 00:08:10,730 --> 00:08:15,830 I'm Eric Bukers. I live here in Carbondale and I am speaking 143 00:08:15,830 --> 00:08:19,090 today on behalf of the homeless community within Carbondale. Could you 144 00:08:19,090 --> 00:08:25,210 adjust the mic please? Is that better? Okay, I'm speaking today on behalf of the 145 00:08:25,210 --> 00:08:29,770 homeless community in Carbondale here. The first thing I'd like to address is 146 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:35,270 the recent escalation and aggression toward the homeless that has been going 147 00:08:35,270 --> 00:08:42,230 on with city workers and the police. I've witnessed the systematic dehumanization 148 00:08:42,230 --> 00:08:49,190 of the most vulnerable social strata of our society. My own home that I've been 149 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:54,710 living in since March was Bulldozed just last week and I don't even know 150 00:08:54,710 --> 00:08:56,810 how many others were along with it. 151 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:03,260 We're told this is due to the refuse that accumulated, 152 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:07,500 but the truth of the matter is the garbage they came to clean 153 00:09:07,500 --> 00:09:08,360 out was us. 154 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,240 We were the trash that those bulldozers were meant to clear. 155 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:15,720 And 156 00:09:17,830 --> 00:09:21,050 despite all of that, we still continue to exist. 157 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:21,950 We're here. 158 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:23,790 Nothing has changed. 159 00:09:24,410 --> 00:09:27,450 The only thing that changes is that we are now 160 00:09:27,450 --> 00:09:35,330 scattered and dislodged from any sense of safety. So we come back to the same 161 00:09:35,330 --> 00:09:39,690 question that I've been asking all year. Where do we go? 162 00:09:42,350 --> 00:09:44,750 It's amazing how this 163 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:52,270 simple little question often stymies and stumps those that I ask. It doesn't 164 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:59,370 It doesn't seem like it should be that complicated, but I've even heard a member of the Carbondale 165 00:09:59,370 --> 00:10:03,450 Police Force bluntly respond to it, not Carbondale. 166 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:05,510 That's deplorable. 167 00:10:06,270 --> 00:10:10,270 It's disgusting and shameful in my mind. 168 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:21,450 I've been threatened to be banned from all city property simply for asking for some 169 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:23,730 documentation. This is ridiculous. 170 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:29,830 Anyone I ask this question to that actually tries 171 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:37,810 to give a reasonable answer gives me one of four or four basic answers to this. There's 172 00:10:37,810 --> 00:10:43,990 good Sam, good Samaritan task, the warming center and the coalition for the homeless. 173 00:10:44,670 --> 00:10:50,610 Now don't get me wrong these are all valuable resources and I'm not saying that there's 174 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:55,990 anything necessarily wrong with them, but they are not a complete safety net and plenty of 175 00:10:55,990 --> 00:11:04,630 people fall through the cracks of these services. Good Sam is nearly always at full capacity. 176 00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:15,250 Task and the coalition are helpful, but slow at best and often wind up coming to dead 177 00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:22,950 ends anyway. And the warming center, we don't even know when or in what kind of capacity 178 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:31,010 it's going to open up. So there's a lot of brick work that we're running into trying 179 00:11:31,010 --> 00:11:39,610 to find these services that help. So again, I'm pleading, trying out to anyone with 180 00:11:39,610 --> 00:11:46,410 authority to do anything, where do we go? How much taxpayer money is wasted every year 181 00:11:46,410 --> 00:11:53,170 in the asinine harassment and dislodging of unhoused people? Also, let's not even begin 182 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:59,090 to discuss how incredibly unconstitutional this all becomes when you consider the BRHA 183 00:11:59,090 --> 00:12:04,230 or the IHRA, the Bill of Rights for the Homeless Act and the Illinois Human Rights 184 00:12:04,230 --> 00:12:09,590 But alas, I'm not here bringing attorneys to sue for damages. 185 00:12:10,490 --> 00:12:20,250 No, I'm here asking for basic human dignity and decency to not be persecuted simply for being unhoused. 186 00:12:21,110 --> 00:12:22,870 The right to merely exist. 187 00:12:24,010 --> 00:12:29,650 Every faith on earth preaches kindness to the poor. 188 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:31,610 Is yours any different? 189 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:35,360 There are thousands of ways. 190 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,220 If you agree with what was said, could you please stand? 191 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,100 Thank you. 192 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:48,920 Thank you for your time. 193 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:51,980 Anyone else? 194 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:53,280 Okay. 195 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:00,860 Hello. 196 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,020 My name is Victor Ludwig. 197 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,000 I'm not a resident, but I am your neighbor. 198 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,780 There's not much more to say than that other than this. 199 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,220 No more encampment sweeps. 200 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:13,320 It solves nothing. 201 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:14,380 It achieves nothing. 202 00:13:14,900 --> 00:13:15,500 It hurts. 203 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:16,160 It damages. 204 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,320 is a clause at the sole of all involved. 205 00:13:19,780 --> 00:13:21,380 So that's all I'm going to say. 206 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,620 No more encampment sweeps, because in the lack 207 00:13:26,620 --> 00:13:28,500 of a comprehensive plan, we can at least 208 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:30,080 have comprehensive compassion. 209 00:13:30,420 --> 00:13:30,860 Thank you. 210 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Anyone else? 211 00:13:32,980 --> 00:13:34,340 Oh, wait, please don't clap. 212 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,680 If you agree with what Victor said, please stand. 213 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Clapping is not a difference. 214 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:41,840 Thank you so much. 215 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,180 OK, anyone else? 216 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:53,080 Okay. Next on the agenda. Council comments, general announcements and proclamations. Let's 217 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,820 start on my right, Ms. Kielman. 218 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:04,720 Yeah. No. Ms. Maxwell? Ms. Roberts? No. 219 00:14:06,850 --> 00:14:07,310 I don't want 220 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:14,850 to come back, but okay. Mr. Colombo. I'll be brief. I set my business cards out there 221 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:20,370 on the chairs this evening so that if you have ideas, if you have concerns, if you have 222 00:14:20,370 --> 00:14:24,890 any feelings in general around how we are engaging with our homeless population in Carbondale, 223 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:26,210 I'd love to hear from you. 224 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:31,350 In just the past couple days, I've had an opportunity to engage our city manager, mayor, 225 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:36,830 and a couple of other staff regarding what a comprehensive homelessness action plan 226 00:14:36,830 --> 00:14:43,230 might look like for Carbondale, and that includes your input and your contributions. 227 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:47,320 So please be in contact. I appreciate your time. 228 00:14:48,630 --> 00:14:49,510 Mr. Loth. 229 00:14:50,830 --> 00:14:59,450 Can we get an update from staff about what actually happened with respect to the encampment and who. 230 00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:04,710 Was manning the bulldozers, staffing the bulldozers? 231 00:15:06,770 --> 00:15:12,930 If they're referring to the relocation that occurred a couple weeks ago, that was a direct 232 00:15:12,930 --> 00:15:18,270 result of private property owners who decided that they wanted to clean out their privately 233 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:23,090 owned property. And the police department was contacted as a result of they were bringing 234 00:15:23,090 --> 00:15:27,890 in equipment to execute their plans to clean that up. And there were people that 235 00:15:27,890 --> 00:15:32,470 refused to allow them to bring their equipment onto their own privately owned land. So the 236 00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:38,390 The police department went, assisted them with getting onto their property, and was forced 237 00:15:38,390 --> 00:15:41,830 to provide warnings to individuals that if they did not leave, they could be subject 238 00:15:41,830 --> 00:15:42,950 to arrest for trespassing. 239 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,620 And just so I'm clear, there was no sweep by city staff of anything? 240 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,780 City did not initiate the removal of anyone. 241 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,740 The city provided notice so that everyone had an ample opportunity to know that the 242 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:07,100 The property owners were coming in there to do that work and they decided based on the 243 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:10,960 conditions of their property that that's the response they wanted to have. 244 00:16:12,820 --> 00:16:13,480 Thank you. 245 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:18,040 I know that those things do happen with some cities, some places, but not here. 246 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:27,940 And I do also appreciate how much some people enjoy cosplay and LARPing, but this is not 247 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:28,580 the place for it. 248 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:29,060 I 249 00:16:37,950 --> 00:16:40,710 don't encourage that behavior, and 250 00:16:43,690 --> 00:16:52,330 you know it's great and it's wonderful that we sit and 251 00:16:52,330 --> 00:16:55,950 listen to you, but you cannot stay and listen to us. 252 00:16:56,570 --> 00:16:58,010 No comments, please. 253 00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:00,250 Mr. Los, were you done? 254 00:17:01,510 --> 00:17:02,970 Yes, I was actually done. 255 00:17:03,570 --> 00:17:04,190 Mr. Sandfield. 256 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:06,620 No. 257 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:07,240 Okay. 258 00:17:08,140 --> 00:17:10,020 Oh, I'm sorry, Ms. Roberts. 259 00:17:10,020 --> 00:17:11,660 even though everybody just left. 260 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:18,480 I still want to say this, and I'm sorry that people decided to leave 261 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,240 instead of sticking around to have good conversations around this 262 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,440 because there are good conversations happening around this issue. 263 00:17:28,020 --> 00:17:32,240 And I want to begin by recognizing the difficult and complex conversations 264 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,700 that our community has had around homelessness and housing, obviously. 265 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:39,720 These discussions have shown just how deeply 266 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,240 Carbondale residents care about helping those in crisis 267 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,400 while also preserving safe and livable neighborhoods. 268 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,480 It's important that we take what we've learned 269 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,680 from everything we've all been through 270 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,280 and channel this energy into solutions 271 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,020 that are realistic, transparent, and effective. 272 00:17:59,180 --> 00:18:01,640 Homelessness remains a serious challenge, 273 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,180 not only in Carbondale but throughout Southern Illinois, 274 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:10,400 well, I mean really throughout the nation, but in our vicinity throughout the region. 275 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,560 And it requires a coordinated regional response. 276 00:18:15,980 --> 00:18:17,720 A lot of that work is already happening. 277 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,260 Organizations such as BOOTS, SI, a coalition of more than 30 Southern Illinois nonprofits 278 00:18:24,260 --> 00:18:29,860 that are focused on housing insecurity, Take Action Today, which recently convened 279 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:34,860 a regional homelessness summit in West Frankfurt, the Southern Illinois Coalition for the 280 00:18:34,860 --> 00:18:41,220 homeless and veterans focused organizations such as Project Die Hard are already developing 281 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:48,580 partnerships that a regional task force would require. Our goal should be to build on these 282 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:55,000 efforts and strengthen collaboration across city and county lines. Homelessness doesn't 283 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,180 stop at borders and neither should our compassion and our planning. The engagement I've seen 284 00:19:01,180 --> 00:19:04,280 shows how deeply people care about helping others 285 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,960 and also about maintaining safe, livable neighborhoods. 286 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,240 I hope that those seeking to help the unhoused 287 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:13,400 can also shift their energy now 288 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,480 towards regional cooperation and solutions. 289 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:17,940 Thank you. 290 00:19:18,820 --> 00:19:19,780 Ms. Kielman. 291 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:23,620 So as we all know, SNAP and link benefits 292 00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,780 are not going to be dispersed on November one. 293 00:19:26,060 --> 00:19:29,580 That's an impending perspective reality 294 00:19:29,580 --> 00:19:34,740 that is harrowing to so many in our community and a few days ago I asked the city manager 295 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:41,940 to look into what means were available legal or otherwise for us to engage with this impending 296 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:50,220 issue and he was very thorough in his response tracking down all sorts of lines of inquiry 297 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:57,340 into specifically something that I'd asked is whether or not we could maybe mandate 298 00:19:57,340 --> 00:20:03,680 that grocers provide out of date or soon to be expired foods directly into the 299 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:09,560 hands of food banks prior to disposal. And it looks like a number of our 300 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,560 grocers are already doing that. Kroger and Schnooks currently donate to their 301 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:19,160 food pantries and other food pantries on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays. On 302 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,110 Fridays, Walmart also makes good donations to the Good Samaritan and 303 00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:24,650 and Victory Dream Center, 304 00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:32,620 there are grocery stores that we could work on, that we should 305 00:20:32,620 --> 00:20:37,120 encourage as a community to make donations of their soon to be expired food. 306 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:44,300 Food insecurity is going to be an ever more pressing issue, especially as things get colder, 307 00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:51,300 as more people are off work due to the federal shutdown, as economic conditions deteriorate, 308 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:59,160 And as we continue to work on but not achieve solving problems like poverty and homelessness, 309 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:06,020 which we obviously have a very, very complicated but necessary to engage with situation. 310 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,980 And so I wanted to brief you all that I am working on it. 311 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,380 I will be reaching out and touching base with all of my colleagues on it over the 312 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:21,680 coming weeks. But I did want to keep the community informed that that is a line of thought that 313 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,760 we're pursuing at the city. 314 00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:32,950 Next on the agenda, Consent Agenda please, Mr. Reno. 315 00:21:33,870 --> 00:21:39,890 Item 3.1 is approval of City Council meeting minutes from October 14, 2025. Item 3.2 is 316 00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:45,850 approval of a warrant for period ending October 10, 2025 for FY26, warrant number 1522 and 317 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:50,070 the total amount of $2,670,669.48. 318 00:21:50,850 --> 00:21:54,070 Item 3.3 is an approval of Wells Fargo warrant for the period 319 00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:57,610 ending September 30th, 25 for FY26 warrant number 320 00:21:57,610 --> 00:22:02,670 09, 2025 in the amount of $172,361.26. 321 00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:06,070 Item 3.4 are appointments and reappointments 322 00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:06,910 to boards and commissions. 323 00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:10,210 Item 3.5 is a resolution authorizing the city manager 324 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:13,330 to execute an engineering agreement with TWM, 325 00:22:13,330 --> 00:22:14,710 Incorporated of Swansea, Illinois, 326 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:21,950 in the amount of $58,251 for the design of Phase 2 Northwest Bike Trail from New Arrow 327 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:23,370 Road to East Airport Road. 328 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:28,830 Item 3.6 is an ordinance approving a budget adjustment to increase the CIP Local Improvement 329 00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:35,070 Fund budget, adding CIP PB2602, furnishing and installing a new RTU at the Police Department 330 00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:40,310 and award of purchase and installation of a new rooftop AC unit RTU at the Police 331 00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:44,350 Department to Southern Illinois piping contractors of Carbondale in the amount of 332 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:47,810 one hundred twenty four thousand five hundred fifty dollars item three point 333 00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:54,290 seven is approval of the listed consent agenda items thank you is there an item 334 00:22:54,290 --> 00:23:01,420 that any council member has a question about or needs pool okay is there a 335 00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:07,660 motion for consent agenda yes miss Gilman I move that we approve all 336 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:14,520 consent agenda items. Ms. Roberts. I second that. Any questions from council or discussion? 337 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,300 Questions or discussion from citizens? Roll call please. 338 00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:26,210 Councilmember Colombo. Yes. 339 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:34,030 Councilmember Kilman. Yes. Councilmember Lowe. Yes. Councilmember Maxwell. Yes. 340 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:38,430 Councilmember 341 00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:38,930 Mr. Stanfield. 342 00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:39,670 Yes. 343 00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:42,230 Mayor Harvey. 344 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:43,930 Yes, and that motion passes. 345 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:46,630 Next, we have General Beasness of the City Council. 346 00:23:47,030 --> 00:23:48,250 Item 4.1, please. 347 00:23:49,030 --> 00:23:52,070 Item 4.1 is in ordinance adopting a new comprehensive plan 348 00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:53,110 for the City of Carbondale. 349 00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:56,310 Plan Carbondale was recommended to be adopted 350 00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:57,770 as Carbondale's comprehensive plan 351 00:23:57,770 --> 00:24:00,950 by the Planning Commission at their August 13, 2025 meeting. 352 00:24:01,550 --> 00:24:03,350 The plan was then presented to the City Council 353 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:04,730 on August 26, 2025. 354 00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:06,930 The attached edits and additions 355 00:24:06,930 --> 00:24:10,790 have been made to the plan in response to comments and requests for more information from council. 356 00:24:11,370 --> 00:24:15,990 Information that has been added includes the city's most recent interest in the dark skies initiative, 357 00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:23,390 more detail on park land acreage, and appendix referencing other city plans and data sources that inform the plan document. 358 00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:29,730 All changes have been deemed by staff to be in keeping with the overarching goals and intent of the plan, 359 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:33,410 so as not to require another public hearing and review by the planning commission. 360 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:39,950 The plan can be found online at plancarbondale.com and there are attachments with the revised 361 00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:40,230 plan. 362 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:42,790 The recommended action. 363 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,000 The recommended action is to approve an ordinance adopting a new comprehensive plan for the 364 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:49,720 City of Carbondale. 365 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,360 Is there a motion from Council? 366 00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:53,560 Mr. Colombo. 367 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,160 I would move that we approve an ordinance adopting a new comprehensive plan for the 368 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:58,920 City of Carbondale. 369 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,160 Is there a second? 370 00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:01,060 Mr. Stanfield. 371 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:02,720 I'll second that. 372 00:25:03,220 --> 00:25:04,680 Any discussion from Council? 373 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,400 So, Mr. Roberts. 374 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,600 I was lucky enough to be on the committee for this, 375 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,600 and working with Molly Maxwell, 376 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,660 I don't know how to officially address you, 377 00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:20,320 but for spearheading this enormous project 378 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,080 was an excellent experience for me, 379 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,480 and I think that the group came up 380 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,640 and the committee ended up with a really excellent 381 00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:43,770 Plan so I am glad that we are here. Thank you for all the work you've done and I appreciate you adding on all the extras 382 00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:48,850 I requested other comments from council on this side 383 00:25:51,270 --> 00:25:55,350 Comments or questions from citizens roll call, please 384 00:25:56,970 --> 00:25:58,110 Councilmember Colombo 385 00:25:58,890 --> 00:25:59,490 Yes 386 00:26:00,290 --> 00:26:01,910 Councilmember Killman. Yes 387 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:04,470 Councilmember Lowes. Yes 388 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:06,350 Councilmember Maxwell 389 00:26:08,790 --> 00:26:18,210 Council Member Roberts. Yes. Council Member Stanfield. Yes. Mayor Harvey. Yes, and that 390 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:25,610 motion passes. Next is item 4.2. Mr. Reno. Item 4.2 is an ordinance establishing a portion 391 00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:29,470 of the east side of North Robert A. Stahl's Avenue from the Sycamore Street to East Large 392 00:26:29,470 --> 00:26:34,850 Street as a no parking zone. The community development staff is proposing that the 393 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:38,170 block of Robert A. Stahl's Avenue between East Sycamore Street and East 394 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:41,970 Large Street be designated as a no parking zone. Staff receive several 395 00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:45,250 complaints concerning traffic being restricted on this block to one lane 396 00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:49,290 due to people parking on both sides of North Robert A. Stahl's. The width of the 397 00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:52,730 pavement in this area is approximately 30 feet. By the time a car 398 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:56,050 parks on the east and west sides of the street in this block, the usable 399 00:26:56,050 --> 00:27:00,010 width of the road is reduced to less than 15 feet. Drivers do not feel safe 400 00:27:00,010 --> 00:27:03,430 using the road for two-way traffic when such parking is present. The 401 00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:07,170 The inability for two cars to pass has led to traffic congestion at times and complaints 402 00:27:07,170 --> 00:27:08,430 from motorists to city staff. 403 00:27:09,150 --> 00:27:13,510 Other parts of Robert Estall's have signage designating no parking or have no issues due 404 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:15,870 to residents as having sufficient off-street parking. 405 00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:20,390 This section of road is well-traveled with New Zion Church located in the adjacent block 406 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:23,730 to the south in the Irma Hayes Community Center in the next block south. 407 00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:28,710 Numerous residents are in the neighborhood as well, including several Jackson County 408 00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:30,570 Housing Authority residents. 409 00:27:30,570 --> 00:27:35,590 I think that is not a true street which has the condition this particular block staff 410 00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:40,150 is trying to rectify the situation by speaking with residents about the parking habits there 411 00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:42,990 in an opera vehicles and commercial vehicles being parked there. 412 00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:45,190 His attempt is not always been successful. 413 00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:50,510 Therefore staff request the designation of a no parking zone order to facilitate safe 414 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:51,410 to a traffic. 415 00:27:52,090 --> 00:27:56,170 The city code also addresses this issue in section seventeen dash eight dash three 416 00:27:56,170 --> 00:27:58,390 in relation to pavement with parking. 417 00:27:58,390 --> 00:28:03,690 Parking section 3 of that reads if the current average daily traffic count at the time of 418 00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:08,990 the completion of the improvement on a local street consists of 1000 vehicles per day or 419 00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:12,530 less and parallel parking is allowed on both sides of the street the minimum width for such 420 00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:17,930 street must be 34 feet which width shall be determined as set forth in section a 421 00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:22,050 one of the section of the code while that particular code section addresses rebuilt 422 00:28:22,050 --> 00:28:25,870 or repaired street staff feels it is a good measure of the proper street width for streets 423 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:29,750 with parallel parking. Feedback from members of the neighborhood and the New Zion Church 424 00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:34,350 Pastors indicates support for this modification to the on-street parking. The recommended 425 00:28:34,350 --> 00:28:38,110 action is to approve an ordinance establishing a portion of the east side of North Robert 426 00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:41,890 Estall's Avenue from East Sycamore Street to East Large Street as a no parking zone. 427 00:28:42,850 --> 00:28:43,930 Is there a motion? 428 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:47,130 Ms. Kilman. 429 00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:51,850 I move we approve an ordinance establishing a portion of the east side of North Robert 430 00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:56,710 Estall's Avenue from East Sycamore Street to East Large Street as a no parking 431 00:28:56,710 --> 00:29:02,070 the parking zone. Thank you. Is there a second? Mr. Maxwell. I second that. In a discussion 432 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:10,870 from council, Mr. Stanfield. Yeah, why is that particular spot designated for no parking 433 00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:17,410 happen? Why is that particular spot a problem? It really relates to the on street parking 434 00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:22,530 that exists there for some particular residents that have more vehicles than they have parking 435 00:29:22,530 --> 00:29:28,510 allowed for it. They're personal residences. So we've just received a lot of feedback from 436 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:34,510 community members there that especially when it's dark and when there's busier times, Sundays, 437 00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:38,250 for church and things, it's very difficult for two-way traffic to move through there. 438 00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:40,890 Thank you. 439 00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:42,110 Mr. Colombo. 440 00:29:43,150 --> 00:29:48,510 And this is kind of a follow-up question to that. When I travel through there, it 441 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:52,630 seems that there's kind of one particular set of vehicles that may belong to just 442 00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:56,750 a single individual or a company or something like that, trailers and other items seemed 443 00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:59,990 like that was causing some of this congestion. Is that relatively accurate? 444 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,960 Is it accurate that this is kind of an impact of one or two individuals, not abundance of 445 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,980 folks that would use that for parking? 446 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,520 Yes, and those individuals have been addressed about specific violations that may be observed, 447 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,100 but overall, there's nothing that restricts the vehicles from being there. 448 00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:19,240 It's just that given the design of the roadway and the amount of traffic moving through 449 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,340 there, it just doesn't allow for safe movement of two-way traffic with vehicles parked there. 450 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,840 Questions or comments from citizens? 451 00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:42,830 Council Member Colombo. Yes. Council Member Kilman. Yes. Council Member Lowe's. Yes. 452 00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:51,090 Council Member Maxwell. Yes. Council Member Roberts. Yes. Council Member Stanfield. Yes. 453 00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:57,990 Mayor Harvey. Yes, and that motion passes. Next on the agenda, Item 5, Executive Session. 454 00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:03,830 item five point one is a motion to enter into executive session to discuss the 455 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:07,030 setting of a price for the sale or lease of property owned by the public body 456 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:10,610 discussion by the public body and executive session of the below listed 457 00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:13,930 exceptions is permitted by the Illinois Open Meetings Act in the event that 458 00:31:13,930 --> 00:31:17,010 any action is to be taken as a result of the discussions held in the 459 00:31:17,010 --> 00:31:20,810 executive session final action will be taken only upon return to open 460 00:31:20,810 --> 00:31:23,810 session and will be preceded by a public recital of the nature of the 461 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:26,810 matter being considered and other information that will inform the 462 00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:32,570 public of the business being conducted. The exception here is according to Illinois statute 463 00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:37,450 six, the setting of a price for sale or lease of property owned by the public body. The recommended 464 00:31:37,450 --> 00:31:41,090 action is to enter into executive session to discuss the setting of a price for the 465 00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:44,530 sale or lease of property owned by the public body in accordance with Illinois Meetings 466 00:31:44,530 --> 00:31:51,050 Act with the appropriate section cited. Thank you. Is there a motion to enter into 467 00:31:51,050 --> 00:31:55,810 executive session? Ms. Kielman. I move that we enter into executive session to 468 00:31:55,810 --> 00:32:02,190 to discuss the setting of the price for the sale or lease of property owned by the public body is there a second. 469 00:32:03,510 --> 00:32:09,630 Mr. Roberts second that with the court with the clerk call the role please. 470 00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:16,390 Council Member Colombo. Yes. Council Member Kilman. Yes. Council Member Lowes. 471 00:32:17,130 --> 00:32:24,470 Yes. Council Member Maxwell. Yes. Council Member Roberts. Yes. Council Member Stanfield. Yes. 472 00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:25,970 You're Harvey. 473 00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:26,710 Yes.