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is uh Deputy Reeve has a question
regarding dust control.

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Number two item additional items. Number
two, I have uh councelor Baker like to

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have a discussion on I'm going to call
it Range Road 274 bridge, which is the

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bridge constructed at near near Pole
Haven. And uh number three, I have 501

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continuing questions from councelor Nish
and Murray had one item in close session

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uh regarding a small business tax break.
Is that satisfactory, Murray?

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And I think that's all I had. If Is
there anything else to be included?

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We have a motion to adopt Council
Harris's move that we adopt the agenda

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as amended. Those in favor?
Carried. Thank you.

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Next item is adoption of the minutes of
our June 8th meeting.

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Councelor Nish.
Councelor Nish has moved approval. Is

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any further discussion? Those
in favor

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carried.
Murray, I was just looking at those

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minutes and I had one question for
business arising from the minutes. Was

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there any follow-up discussion regarding
that private road concern at the

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Peterson Field Division?

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» Her back and said, uh, we're not going
to we'll offer

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what we usually do, our policy, you
know, we'll provide gravel, you can buy

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gravel, but we're not going to do the
work. and she kind of got a little upset

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saying well you already wrote this and I
said she asked what changed I said new

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council and she said okay
>> so it it's it's been communicated where

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we're where we stand there
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» any other items
uh for business arising from the minutes

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» under item seven is there any unfinished
business that we need to take care of

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before we go to our
agenda items.

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Okay, we'll move on to uh item 8.1. At
our last meeting, we we had some

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discussion regarding the self-contained
breathing apparatuses

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uh for the Carson County Emergency
Services, and there's a pretty

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significant cost. Looks like Murray has
broken down

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the servicing cost of leasing versus
paying all out at once. That's kind of

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what you've done, isn't it, Murray?
>> Yeah. Basically, what money would we

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make or to make our money back if we uh
we purchased up front and then we uh

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charged the town and uh the villages for
their share of that over the next so

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many years.
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not sure we want to go 10 years. It's a
lot of years to write these off, but

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it's it's what it is. Crosswise, you
know, I'm looking at $13,000 additional

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a year for each of us. Uh, if we go at
one and a half%, it's $11,000.

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I did talk to Jeff and he indicated that
maybe they had some reserve funds that

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they could put into this. So, I think my
last option was I think I put down the

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very bottom if I get uh
if I get the town to put about $82,000

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in, we put $82,000 in. We take 140 out
of the contract from the

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Waterton Park. So, that'd be 70,000 this
year. We do not have the contract for

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next year yet. We're assuming it will
carry on and we're trying to get it to a

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five-year thing. But that basically if
we did that we would be able to pay this

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off right away and then we would just do
a s charge to the the hamlets for

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for a short time to cover some of that
surplus or that what we put in the town

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and us put in. I think it was 82,500
from both of us up front. We still cover

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the rest of it but we take the money
back from the contract. Get 70,000 in

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December. We wouldn't order these until
December roughly and then pay for them

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in January. So, we would have probably
most likely the contract set up well, we

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wouldn't have it set up until about
February or March of next year like we

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did this year, but we would know the
only withdrawal with that is about that

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70,000 if we didn't get it next year.
We'd just have to add it to the budget

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to cover off that.
>> How long do these things last?

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» 20 years roughly. Uh we're also looking
at Danny is also looking at maybe um

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getting the mass custom fitted for each
firefighter and using casino money and

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if he does that then that will reduce
our overall price a little bit for the

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purchase of these.
>> Uh we did get

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» it would reduce
>> it would reduce it because we'd use

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casino monies to cover some of that
money

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» because these units cost besides the
tanks I think they cost about $11,000 a

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piece. So, if they get him custom
fitted, they're going to put out, let's

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say, 12,000, but he can use the casino
money to cover that.

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» I don't know. He was just saying that he
was looking at trying to reduce it by

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doing the the casino money. And maybe he
can't. I He didn't bring that up.

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» Yeah. And that would be a discussion for
I have no clue on that.

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» Yes. Can you predict the town has to use
money to log in?

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» Well, they've got Yeah, they got close
to 400,000 for their fire trucks just

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like we're putting money aside. So, they
would just take some of that and they

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would still have to figure out how to do
the fire trucks later on. But,

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» so if they're taking that out and we're
putting ours in and we're going to and

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we're going to get paid back ours and
they're not going to get their paid

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back.
>> No, it's it's 300,000 total.

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» Yeah. So if they take their uh 80
>> 100,000 and we put 100 in that's our

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share
>> and the other portion is coming from the

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the contract. So the fire department's
paying for it

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we own them years.
>> Uh well you'd have to release them or

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get new ones, right?
>> Yes.

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» That's why they were last 20 years
to me. It's a no-brainer. And these are

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some of my own questions which I think
we already answered. So they're val

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they're good for 20 years. If we buy a
brand new one, they're valid for 20

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years.
>> Technically, yes, they're supposed to be

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20 years.
>> So if we lease them

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at the end of that three or five year
lease, I guess that unit just goes back

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to them and we're still got no units,
>> right?

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» You could buy them out or we're going to
continue leasing them.

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» Okay. So we continue leasing them for 20
years. To me, it's a no-brainer to buy

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them on in my
>> Sorry. Sorry. The lease is a lease to

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purchase, right? Sorry. Hey, that's we
lease them for 25 years.

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» We're going to own them at the end of
that time.

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» We're just using them as the bank.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's that was my question,

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too. At the end of the lease, what
happens? No. Then they're ours.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> At the end, they're done. As far as I

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know, the paper didn't say anything
about it was a fiveyear lease, but

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they're ours to own for the 20 years.
>> 50 more years.

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» 50 more years.
>> That's way different.

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» Yeah. This is what I'm trying to get.
>> We're paying instead of borrowing money

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from the bank, we're borrowing it from
from the

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» So, in reality, we're buying them, but
we're going to pay for them in a

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five-year payment plan virtually then.
>> Right.

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» Okay. That's no different than a whole
different view, but

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» makes a little difference.
>> Yeah, I was on the impression and

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» it was a rent only.

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» Yeah. No, my understanding is Yeah.
There's the, you know, we're going to

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pay that much more $23,000 in interest
or 38 if we lease it. The thing is we

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still have to put it on our requisitions
which we're going to have a hard time

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getting that money out of the towns
agreeing to it or the villages. Ken, my

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other question,
um,

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the servicing,
don't they have to be serviced whether

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we buy them or lease them?
>> Is that is that the interest?

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» I mean, is that a
>> the servicing cost?

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» Yeah,
>> that's the interest.

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» Oh, that's a or service cost?
>> I thought I thought it was a maintenance

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of some sort to the unit.
>> No, it's an interest

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» something like that. Yeah, but no,
sorry. Servicing cost really is

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» interest cost for the time it was.
>> Okay, that gives me a different feel.

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» No, sorry. I made the wrong term
interest cost.

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» So, we're paying 109 in in principle.
We're paying $23,000

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interest on that. Well, now that chang

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» Well, the problem though is going back
to here, we're paying interest. If

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you're paying
>> if we're paying our requisitions at

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$67,000
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» plus all a sudden we got to take this
305 and divide it by

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over five years.

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Let's just say it's
>> $32,000.

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$32,000 on top of our requisition for
five years. The town has to agree to, we

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have to agree to, and the villages have
to agree to.

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» What are we making on the money in the
bank interest on it compared to like on

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the other side?
>> If we're taking 140 or whatnot out of

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the bank and we're making interest on it
now, is it going to be a wash on doing a

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lease? Uh well I'm guess I'm more
worried about will the town agree to for

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us you've got the money in the bank you
can easily figure that out if we send an

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invoice to the town for 67 plus 35
are they going to b at that and question

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why
>> pay for one way or another

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» well so technically yeah but the board
that sits on there has to really decide

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you know have their council take it back
to do that

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» we
You're looking at January. You got a few

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months.
>> Yeah, we got a few months. Yeah.

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» Pay for one.
>> Right. Right.

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» Pay more in interest.
>> Uh

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we
When grandfather le they lease theirs

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» lease to own.
>> Yeah.

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» And they
>> and they're taking out their budget

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money to pay. Is that right? We're not
paying anything towards our these air

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packs.
>> No, it'd be all be part of the

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» We're taking all of the money that we're
requisition.

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» Yeah.
>> But you're doing it

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» and all the lease. But you're doing it
smart 10 at a time at a smaller amount

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» so that you can It's not a big hit.
>> It's not a big hit,

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» I guess.

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» Well, the problem is the ones he has out
of 2027, there's no more repair parts

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for him. That's why he's The tanks are
still good and the devices are good, but

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you can't certify them that they're
Yeah. So you have to buy the whole

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complete package unit.
>> You have to buy a complete package unit.

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» So
the way I'm seeing this and this these

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are rounded figures. I took if it's
15,000 each. 15,000 and whatever

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dollars. But anyway, it's basically
15,000 each unit.

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» Y 20 of them. That's 300,000. And if you
go a three-year lease at 109,000

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a year, you're paying 28,000 in interest
in that 3 years. And if you go over a

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5year lease, you're paying 45,000 in
interest.

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» Correct.
Still looks to me like you're better off

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to put the money and buy it. Well, if we
upon if they're going to give a $7,000

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contract a year,
they can take a 5year lease payment

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payment out of their $70,000
that they're going to get from the park

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every year. And then maybe only we got
to pay the service

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would only have $38,000 every year.
>> Well, you can do it that way as long as

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we get the contracts for the full.
>> We got it this year for sure. And we're

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estimating, he's estimating about 70,000
or about an $80,000 surplus this year.

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So we're thinking about taking 70
uh this year and hopefully be the same

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for next year. You know, we technically
for three years, five years, we could do

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that if we get the funds there. It's
really coming down to pulling money out

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our reserves. If we pull money out of
our reserves, like you said, are we

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going to lose money? And that's why I
was trying to get it back that everybody

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would have to pay a little extra so that
in the end we would county would have a

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surplus to cover that interest.
Just sad that all of them aren't like

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we're doing them all at once in a graph.
We do a few gradually. We gradually

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replace them out over time. But now the
the request is to do how many units?

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» 20.
>> 20. That's a huge expense. Well, and I

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got to say for Danny's side, he did
bring that up to the board. I believe he

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told me for the last couple years, but
because they were still working, no one

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» and the worst part is in here same thing
to us.

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» Yeah. And that's why I recommended
Danny, we put away

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on the reserve, every budget, you're
putting whatever $13,000

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for that in
our reserves or in the fire department's

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reserves. They're going to be
technically it'd be ours now, but we're

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collecting it from all of us. So that
instead of a firet truck, we can go to

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these tanks as well.
>> Maria, I think I don't know. I'm just

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thinking out loud here. Can you go back
to Jeff and find out because we're the

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Carson County and the town of Grath are
the ones that are going to be paying the

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most.
>> Yeah.

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» Can you just
just discover some possibilities again?

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Clarify it some more and we don't have
to make a decision on this right now.

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No, he said we went on room till
December

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» and uh Wayne brought up a good point too
uh that they're they're different in in

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a in the in the way that they get they
have that contract. They have more money

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at their disposal, right? And they can
maybe factor that into the equation

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on how they're paid for.

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You got how many?

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» Got 20 guys that go into a fire at the
same time.

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» You don't typically, but you have
and then you have guys ready to go back

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in like you have to have enough to be
able to recycle them.

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» And this does go some will go out to
Glenwood Hills and here. So, it's not

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like it's all 20 are stocked here.
>> We have

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for
us, but two guys wear it.

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» I guess the one thing that I'm not clear
totally in my mind, the way I see it,

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whether we buy them or lease them, the
money's got to come be coming in to pay

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for it one way or another. So,
you know, does the requisition change

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just because we bought or leased?
Not the price of the units, but I guess

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what I was looking at, I was trying to
figure out how to get it so that the

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town and the villages wouldn't be bcking
that the county is all a sudden going to

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add $13,000 to their bill.
>> Well, but one way or another, it's

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» Yeah, they got to pay their share
regardless. Well, that's true. No, I

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that's true.
>> You know, that's why I don't quite get

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that
>> that it should depend whether we bought

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or whether we leased as far as the
charges to the

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» So, it's whether we want to

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find that's what that's the two that's
what it comes down to, right?

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And that's what I took from last time is
instead of paying 23,000 should we

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collect 13,000
charging it to the towns and the

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villages and we pay our 13,000. But
>> this first Thursday of July, is that

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your first meeting for the Carson
emergency service? I

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» think they're off the summer.

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» Well, I don't know if

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We don't have problem. I think this is
more administration but should know how

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» I think
>> how

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are we do we want to pull it out or
sort of

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» when we didn't we didn't have that bulk
of money

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» our department so that's why we least
and did 555

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so that we have didn't have a big outlay

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didn't go to anybody
>> so if the town gives us their money. We

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take our We're each only pulling out
$82,000

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and then we're using the reserves from
or the casino not casino money.

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» So, we have we have money in our prior
reserve now for

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» Yep. We're putting $40,000
$40,000 $60,000 a year into the

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reserves. 44
Oh, sorry. We're putting 40 for each

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Kurtster McGrath and 20 for Glenwood
Hills. So, we've got we got money in

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there. We don't have enough to buy a
truck.

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» That's just that's going to make it so
the truck's that much further away.

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» That's right.
>> Exactly.

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» That's right.

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» Keeps going up.
>> We can bring it back with some more

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numbers.
You think you need your next

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whole county building

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and you're looking at I think the last
pricing we got to somewhere

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between800 and a million dollars per
fire truck similar to the one that we

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purchased a couple years ago that was
560.

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So, you know, I mean, since the whole
coast,

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people have gone. So, they think they
can charge whatever they want for

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anything. And so
we're finding that

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you know even and even going to you know
the county has done some investigation

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into different options for charge truck
and acres ones that we've been getting

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out of Manitoba cuz they're customs
there but even even a

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production line fire is in the body.
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the breathing after
we don't have them and we can't

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successfully
do fire and rescue. So you know I mean

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it's kind of a something that we we need
to be able to fund one way or another.

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I want to leave our our reserves in
place and go with the least and have the

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contract more and cover it for as much
as they can

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and I guess we'll have to increase the
requisitions to other people

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this time or last time that there would
be a that there could be a requisition

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for
uh these areas

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uh to be released. So responsible.
>> Well, I would say that we would increase

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the requisitions
by so much to cover for this. So in my

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calculations, the 13,000 is what we
would cover to cover our share of it and

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the villages would have that smaller
amount. The town would have the same

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amount.
>> That would be an increase.

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» You mean just this area? So it just be

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» yeah it'd be us that area that have the
increase in requisition which bring it

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up it bring it up just shy just over
what we were requisition town of McGrath

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right now or we're being requisitioned I
think 67 and McGrath is getting 70

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8
from us

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but doesn't that requisition need to go
up regardless of fund lease

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Yes.
>> You know, so to me that's kind of a

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not a part of the equation or a part of
the decision that funding or that

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money's got to be there. And I can't
imagine that we could borrow money.

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I can't imagine that the money we have
in the bank will make more interest than

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to go borrow it.
>> Yeah. The borrow.

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you want to help lay that money and not
have it if you need it for something on

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the other end.
>> There's a convenience factor there.

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» So, what does the You know, they're
saying it's going to cost usund

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99,000
on a three-year lease, right?

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» Annual lease payment, huh?
>> Annual lease payment be 109 for three

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years total. Yeah, it's a contract
bringing them in $70,000 at least

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roughly
>> 30

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» $40,000 to cover off. Right.
>> Right.

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» So that would be Is that where you're
getting your $13,000

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increase in our requisition or
>> Yeah. I'm taking the

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uh Yeah. So I'm figuring it on interest
rates of 10 years and 3.5% interest. No,

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I didn't. No, that was this is a
strictly if we

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» leased
>> leased. No, if we covered the cost

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» we financed it,
>> what would we be charging ourselves and

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the towns and villages to cover that
interest that we would have to pay? So,

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at $13,000, that would generate us uh
where's my spreadsheet? Sorry. Um

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anyway, that would generate us about
$23,000 worth of income for ourselves, I

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think. I think I put it in there
somewhere, didn't I?

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» But that's over 10 years.
>> That's over 10 years.

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» Yeah. And what are we what are we making
on our money now? Uh it varies between

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what bond or stock we're in or if it's
just in the bank. Yeah, we will not we

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will be cheaper to use our own money
than to borrow it, but we won't have it

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available. Now, saying that we have
we're not that's not a big concern for

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$300,000.
>> Uh yeah, I bet you it's what did that

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say? 5% on that lease. We're probably at
two and a half, maybe three. Yeah.

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I don't know exactly.

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» Yeah,

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» I'm fine with that.

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» Sounds like a good idea. Um,
we'll just move this discussion to uh

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item 14.

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Okay. Can we move on then for now?
We'll move on to uh 8.2.

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Um, there's a lot of history involved
with this uh request,

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Marie. I didn't realize it had gone back
34 years, but that's quite some time.

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» Yeah. Um, apologize. I thought I added
the uh original contract in here, but I

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guess I didn't.
But yeah, back in 34 years, uh, council

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made a deal at the time that they would
put dust compression on, plus they paid

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for the, um, the material, uh, the loss
of crop and a few things and the last

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was written in their um,
dust control when needed.

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Now, we've been doing it for 34 years.
>> Have we really been doing it every year?

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» I don't think we've done it every year.
I think for the last five to 10 years,

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yes,
>> I was not aware of that, but anyway.

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» Yeah. Um, when we do our the last few
dust programs, we've been definitely

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doing it. Um, when we didn't do any dust
control, I don't know if we did anything

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special for them. Um, so anyway, they
wanted to they asked Matt about it. Matt

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asked me and I says, "Well, it's kind of
old. I think we should just there should

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be a sunset clause. Let's tell them
right up front it's going to be this is

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the last time and then in the future
we're not going to do it.

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» Well, and the contract would have made

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» Yeah. It's the father's name that's on
there.

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» Yeah. It's it's dad and mom. That
rateayer called me and I went up and

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yeah, he showed me the contract that he
had dug up 1992.

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Uh,
>> so my thought was um,

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» and I said just what I said and then
councelor Bevans asked me to bring it

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back.
>> Bring it here. And I mean, I didn't tell

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him what I honestly felt and thought. I
I'd play it a little diplomatic and

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» we'll show you where it's at. get
backing. But uh

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to me it's
should be

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him. It was his dad and mom. So to me
it's not a valid deal anymore. Period.

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So
this is the place the dirt I'm not sure

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was taken over here somewhere.
>> And I'm not sure. Councelor Beavenans,

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have you been out there? Do we cover the
whole thing all the way past here? I

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don't think we do anything
>> dust control. No, it was just

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» right around
>> from what Matt said. Yeah. 200 meters on

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the west right there where you're
running.

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» Yeah.
>> And yeah, it's busier road now, but at

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the same time, every other citizen in
the council county

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more or less pays their their oil unless
uh council designated as a hight traffic

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area or we have a gravel route on there
and we should. So,

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» is this just east of left? Is that that
just that

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» east of left?
>> Uh yeah, it's just

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» just a cardstone to the west
>> maybe three two three miles west of

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town.
>> I think if this is your area of the

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ground, you have the opportunity if you
feel the need to work with Matt if if

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it's needed there.
>> That's you could lay a little bit there

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if you wish. But to carry forward year
after year after year is

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I think we're probably done, right?
my own feeling if he's not willing to

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contribute why should we you know I mean
why should we give it to him free

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well I think there's a recommendation
here that we uh

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your exact train of thought is what's
being uh sought here right

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» well unless you
the decisions we've made we've made that

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decision administration that we're not
going to honor it next year.

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» If council deems they don't hold that.
>> So unless we're going to change,

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we don't need
>> right.

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» We need to file it.
>> Yeah, I just file it.

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» Okay, that's a good way of processing
this. Uh

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motion to file. Thank you. Any further
discussion? Those in favor?

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» In doing so, then we've just upheld the
administration's decision.

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Yep.

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» Okay. The next one is uh

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an update to the ICF. This is another
close session item. No intermunicipal I

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mean or do you feel you want to leave it
out in this open domain

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» would be close session if you had more
arguments if you want to go into more

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» discussion if it seems fair to you then
the motion

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» this is a modest increase when I was
reading this um this is an increase of

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200 every year for how long like
>> well this is the first increase and if

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it ever happened again it would be 5
years. The reason they're increasing

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this the 2,000 is because of their spray
park. So they've got to justify to us

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why they have to what the cost should be
instead of uh determining that they just

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said okay $2,000 for the water park
which seems fair. Um if the next year in

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five years that comes up and they want
another 2,000 I think at that time you

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need to say what what's your water cost?
Have you got your meters? Have you all

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this stuff? Because they should be
justifying what they're paying and then

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doing that.
>> It's just five year agreement.

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» This is just we've already signed the
five-year agreement bill. This would be

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a 5-year agreement under the ICO.
>> Okay. Mr. Chairman, I will move this

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fiveyear agreement.

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that was outlined in our agenda packet
recommendation.

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» So that figure for the next five years

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» and I will make sure it doesn't say in
this paper but I'll read the old

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contract
>> because I think it's a fiveyear setup as

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a fiveyear and can be renewed for five
years. So I'll just

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» Yeah. Yeah. So maybe I'll put a clause
in here that just says this will

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» I guess I'm a little ignorant. They got
a spray park out there

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cost

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» used quite a bit.
Is it heavily used? Any questions for

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Matt on that?
>> That should be nice.

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» No, we'll we'll vote on this and
>> it's clear here. There's the dollar

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figure is updated for five years.
Those failing

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carried
Matt, we just had a discussion regarding

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dust control uh
on Range Road 261.

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» Yeah. Um,
we don't really need to discuss it more.

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We're we upheld the decision that you
guys made to uh kind of wean ourselves

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off of what's been happening, right?
>> Over the last 3, four years.

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» So, the We agree with it. We agree with
it. So,

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» the one question I asked was, have you
been doing it every year for the last

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» No.

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» Oh, okay.
done this before.

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» Not here.
>> I'm lying because I thought we've done

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this every year in the last five years
or so.

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» Are you changing?
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Never mind. What I told him?
>> Yeah. I didn't think so, but I wasn't

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sure.
>> Before we Anyway, this year he's going

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to get it, right?
>> Yeah. Get this year. He had told me that

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» 92 was that

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» bottom line is that
>> no I remember my he was talking like I

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should know all about it. I finally had
to tell him I was 11.

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But yeah, that's why I remember.
>> Bottom line is that agreement is doesn't

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carry on forever.
>> No, like I I can't see that thing.

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» Not a Yeah, it's not a reasonable
request.

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Okay. Well, that's good. Um, our next
topic is uh the Spring Culie gun range.

418
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,359
After the last council meeting, I I sent
you guys a couple pictures of the flood.

419
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:16,240
Did you go out there yourself, Murray?
>> No, but one of these two out there.

420
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:21,440
» Yeah, there's a obvious lowlying spot.
So, that would be exactly where people

421
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:25,400
would park and and probably a possible
building.

422
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,400
» Yeah.

423
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,800
I think that's the building

424
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,880
right there.
>> Yes.

425
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:42,040
» So, where we have
>> I guess

426
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:54,520
it doesn't go over the river, the bank
there. So, this is all drainage going

427
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,520
into that spot from above.

428
00:35:55,119 --> 00:36:01,119
I'm not I'm not worried about this in
our reality. Um yeah, you're going to

429
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,880
have big grades and it's going to flood
out there every once in a while and

430
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,520
you're we're going to have to deal with
it. We're going to have to design the

431
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:14,320
buildings
that

432
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:19,599
» um but
we haven't to see that and we can do

433
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,720
some things to make mate it so it
doesn't come up as much. There's nothing

434
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:30,400
we can do to stop it. Um the big thing
is the old plan right

435
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:36,720
» how how deep is that pond there would
you know or guess

436
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,079
foot two foot three foot I mean the
water

437
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,880
» no
>> oh like water

438
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:46,280
» yeah the water that's standing there how
deep is it

439
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,280
oh just

440
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,280
But this this is all.

441
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Um originally we had this the short
range here

442
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:12,160
and we were going to push up some of the
ground here and change things to make it

443
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:18,240
so you could do all the shorter ranges.
Um we're actually thinking we shouldn't

444
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:22,960
do that. Um All of that stuff basically
will be taken away and not do any of

445
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:29,680
that because all the drainage is coming
down from here and come up there.

446
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:35,760
So if we do that then we got to go for
this water to go.

447
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:40,880
But with this burn here we can move it
go this way a bit

448
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:44,880
» and then it still might come back.
But, you know, that that'll be

449
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:51,520
dependent. And so, we're actually
recommending get rid of that all of

450
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:55,280
that. Um, and possibly changing it to a
new location. Um, we're go to the next

451
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,160
one.
>> You also have one more drainage kind of

452
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:06,240
to the northeast there where you're
looking to. I think

453
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:11,440
» my my over here. My first question in
seeing that water in that previous slide

454
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:15,240
is it possible to drain it, cut it to so
it'll go to the river.

455
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,760
Well, that's why I wonder how much
there, you know,

456
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,720
» I was under the impression that that
that the river bank overflow, but what

457
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:41,119
you're saying is that's just natural
drainage down and it puddled there.

458
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:46,320
» I thought I thought thought the river
came over, but it didn't. You can kind

459
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:49,320
of see there's already still grass up
here.

460
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:55,400
» Those trees are

461
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:06,520
» I've never been there. Somewhere's down
>> just below Spring Valley.

462
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,200
It's kind of a good

463
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:17,320
the new side.

464
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:26,480
» Yeah. So, this stays kind of the same. I
should a little bit um but that wouldn't

465
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,760
make that doesn't make huge difference.
We still have room to do like a 100 to

466
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,560
150 meter short range here.
>> Yeah.

467
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:39,440
» Um for your 22s and all that kind of
stuff. Um, and then you have the

468
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:44,240
possibility we can move stuff over to
the other side of the of the things. The

469
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:49,280
problem is is that this is kind of a
hill. Um, so if we were going to do

470
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:57,119
that, we may have to dig down. It might
hold water. Um,

471
00:39:53,280 --> 00:40:02,720
but it's all this is all higher.
It's a I'd say six seven ft higher than

472
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:09,280
where.
So we could dig down five

473
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:14,520
and probably not get the bottom line
where the goal is to not dig down any

474
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:26,440
target 25 100 ft whatever in the long
range.

475
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:35,880
I mean, if someone's someone shooting
you here, you're not going to shoot the

476
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,880
whole

477
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,760
» Well, that's a big
>> Yeah.

478
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,400
» Okay. So, you could have two groups in
there.

479
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:51,480
» Yeah. Yeah. Both sides of this. These
are both big birds.

480
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,480
» Yeah. So, yeah.

481
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,440
» Where's the material for the burns
coming from?

482
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Uh that is not a question that you're
going to answer.

483
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:15,359
» Finding dirt's the biggest problem right
now.

484
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:23,839
» The one problem in that solution is the
least or at least didn't extend out this

485
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:29,920
way that much. It was more just to cover
this area here. This we control along

486
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:34,160
the the old river bed
and we had to lease some of the land

487
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:38,880
here. That's why we paid them 7,000
bucks a year. So, we'd have to talk to

488
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:41,119
them about
>> additional.

489
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:45,040
» Yeah. And we weren't ever going to use
that road going around or anything like

490
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,839
that. That's also something that would
be additional

491
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:53,040
» because this would be nicer actually
pull it back down so it's in this area

492
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,520
but we're
uh you're not walking and driving all

493
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:01,920
the way down here to keep it all kind of
centered. Guess if we're underneath this

494
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:06,880
maybe we could talk to about shooting
this way or something. But

495
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:14,319
» does anyone know what it looks like
right now? Like we had this major

496
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:17,040
rainfall a week or two ago. It's clear.
>> I was down there.

497
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:22,560
» Is it clear? Yeah.
>> So, it dissipates fairly fairly quickly.

498
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:26,800
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I went down there a couple weeks

499
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,880
ago before I did all this and walked it
all and

500
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:32,160
» So, you could drive down there?
>> Oh, yeah.

501
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:38,319
» Wow. That's
That's uh good to know because the road

502
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:41,960
was covered by water, right? Uh
>> the bottom part of

503
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:49,760
Yeah, I don't think that's going to be a
common occurrence

504
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,599
um of it doing that,
>> but you know, how many of those have

505
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:59,680
ever
>> Yeah. And it dissipated so fast that you

506
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:04,480
know within I would say within a week
and a half I was there and it was gone.

507
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:09,200
Like all the water was gone.
>> So it dissipates pretty quick.

508
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:15,359
» I agree with Dennis though. If there's
ever a structure you built out of

509
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:20,720
concrete blocks just
you know what I mean the low levels.

510
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:26,400
Yeah. The the other thing you could do
is we could move the short ranges up

511
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:32,319
towards where the road is where we're
shooting for the long range. Um but then

512
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:37,920
we'd have to move the road around.
So cuz you you can't you know you can't

513
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:42,319
drive through the the ranges or anything
like you want to separate those. That's

514
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,720
why I put them down there is so we
didn't have to move the road.

515
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,480
» So do you have an original cost versus
what it would cost if we made these

516
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:57,119
changes?
>> Uh we don't have a cost in at all.

517
00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:04,000
» Um it it was all going to be in kind
work. Matt was gonna hit. He's just

518
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:09,520
joyous to be able to do this. Um, and
it's going to be as we have time to get

519
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:13,599
out there. Our biggest issue is dirt
and getting the dirt from the top to the

520
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:17,599
bottom. If that's going to be the issue,
too,

521
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:21,440
» the into the relation to the road, move
there.

522
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:25,280
It might be easier to cut off the top of
the hill, move the road, shorten the

523
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:32,440
road up, put everything up.
>> Yeah. Is that just like a service road?

524
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,440
» Just

525
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:40,319
how much dirt are you talking need for
these?

526
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:44,560
» BMS are 3 m 3 to 5 m high.
>> They're big.

527
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:48,520
» So a total of roughly
80.

528
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:48,520
» There's a lot of

529
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:56,720
» Yeah. The benefit.
>> Yeah. The benefit is it's already um

530
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:01,680
about seven feet,
>> right? So where where we're shooting the

531
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:07,520
range and where the top of the hill is
now, it's already seven feet. So um like

532
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:12,560
you just we just have to build it up the
extra amount

533
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,520
» in theory.
>> I understand.

534
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:22,480
» Yeah, that's what I said in theory.
Yeah. Yeah. I I guess the thing I'd

535
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:26,079
rather see the short range down
instead of somebody walking down those

536
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:30,960
sides
and then

537
00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:32,079
move the reg.
>> Yeah.

538
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:40,440
» Yeah. Oh,
>> you're down there with

539
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:40,440
» that is supposed to be just a dirt type

540
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,640
» you would have to go back and talk to
the hood rights about all this

541
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,640
» about changing

542
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:58,000
» I don't know the check
>> when I when I was out there he's like

543
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,880
go look at your range you want you want
to go fishing instead

544
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:08,160
And I and I went down there and I took a
picture. I'm like, "Wow, it's it's good

545
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:15,040
that we're, you know, we haven't really
started 100% on this. It's good that we

546
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:20,000
that this happened. Now we can kind of
think about future events, right? It's

547
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,520
not a not a bad thing that we haven't
rolled with this, you know,

548
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:31,680
» right now." So with with this proposed
or thought change of plan, does that

549
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,920
affect the colony somehow that we've got
to

550
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:38,400
involve them or to get their permission?
>> Well, we do because we have a lease.

551
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,599
» Yeah.
>> For the land, right? This what what is

552
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:45,599
outside of
>> all.

553
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:51,040
» It's all right. Land.
>> Um Yeah. And

554
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:56,079
they just use it for their sheep. So
they're not

555
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:59,079
» like
Yeah.

556
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:04,880
» on the road going down. Control the road
going down.

557
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,880
» It's been a long time.
>> Well, there's been a gun range there for

558
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,599
a long time, but hasn't been used for
some time.

559
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:17,119
» We'll have to keep continuing to talk
about the bills here and work this out.

560
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:22,800
I don't know what to how to proceed
right now other than

561
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:26,280
» this has come up with the best
>> workable solution.

562
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:40,839
I don't know where it is. Go right
through the

563
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,839
» Spring Valley.

564
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:49,920
highly anticipated by people in the
community though there had several

565
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:55,599
people ask me about when the gun range
is going to be functional

566
00:47:52,720 --> 00:48:02,720
not anytime real soon but we're working
on it

567
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:05,839
I'd have to talk to George and just
let us have a little bit more land or

568
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,760
maybe
the

569
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:12,880
» the big thing is we want to keep the
shooting at the same direction y

570
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,680
» because if you go north, then you might
have to get another letter from the

571
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,680
reserve and
>> Yeah.

572
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,079
figure out how much extra.

573
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:34,160
» So, I've never been there and don't have
a picture. Where's the Where's the

574
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:39,079
river? Where's the reserve?
>> Oh, the red's the river. Okay.

575
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:48,680
that direction this
>> and you go right through the colony to

576
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:48,680
get to it.

577
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:58,960
» The the road zigzagging down is is mad.
It's kind of It's questionable. It's not

578
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:03,839
the greatest.
>> It's actually a little bit

579
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:09,240
» and we did work to it
while that's been

580
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:18,160
eight years. Everything in my box, eight
years.

581
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:24,079
Um, yeah, probably within eight years
ago, we proved it up.

582
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,720
» Tried something because it's on a slope
and the slope can move.

583
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:34,440
» Y,
>> it's not perfectly stable.

584
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,440
» Full slope with the grain, the runoff

585
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,880
» coming right onto the road. Right. It's
coming right onto the road. If I

586
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,960
remember,
>> we do do have a little bit of a deal. I

587
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:50,000
haven't looked lately, but we did have a
ditch that established a little bit on

588
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:56,800
the inside of the that
location, but yeah, it's

589
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:01,280
interesting at that.
>> Okay. Well, thanks for bringing in uh

590
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,920
possibilities to us. this is going to
continue this discussion

591
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:09,680
» if you're all right with changing the
location or do you want us to I mean

592
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:14,960
small shooting ranges but I guess we
talk about rates and see if we can bring

593
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:20,240
it up and see how much they allow us to
>> Yeah. So it's either we do that or we

594
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:25,920
just do the long range and then the 100
meter 150 meter range on the side and

595
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:32,000
then use that for you know your 22s and
your handguns like your small calibers.

596
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:36,319
So I think you talk to them a deal and
then we can then obviously you know we

597
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,559
have to go right.
>> Yeah.

598
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,559
» So yeah you just keep this one is what
you're saying

599
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,920
» just keep that one and just use that
one. That's your small caliber range. So

600
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:48,400
you have a long range and then you have
small caliber range.

601
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:51,400
» But I mean it's worth throwing it out
there.

602
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:58,079
» Yeah. I would agree with that that we
should at least approach and talk to

603
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,040
them.
>> Yeah.

604
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:03,280
» See if there's an option or not.
>> Yeah.

605
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,319
» Yeah. I I think it depends on your
outlook of what you want this to be.

606
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:12,800
Like if you want the RCMP coming here to
use it, then they're going to want, you

607
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:16,640
know, the handgun range.
>> Oh,

608
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:19,440
a lot of
they're placing

609
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:25,200
» the police.
Yeah, if you want cowboy shooting stuff,

610
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:29,680
» you probably want the the short range as
well.

611
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:34,240
» I know there's there's a real desire to
have this.

612
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,359
» Yeah, more so.
>> Yeah, it all depends on how much you

613
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:42,400
want, right? So, you could do shoot
pistols at your at your 100 meter range

614
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:47,040
just fine, right? It's just
>> can you run a competition there? I don't

615
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:52,920
know.
It's going to come down to if they're

616
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:52,920
agreeable here,

617
00:51:53,119 --> 00:52:00,400
» what they what they agree to, right? If
we know what it is,

618
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:06,680
» proceed
>> because they're pretty workable. Those

619
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,680
guys out there, they're they seem to

620
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:16,119
» Yeah.

621
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,720
» Yeah. I can do a new drawing for you
when you talk to

622
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:30,760
» Yeah. You know, I'll probably wait till
we get that check form and we need to go

623
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,760
out.

624
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,160
I taste the beer.
>> Yeah.

625
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:44,920
» Okay, good. We can move on. Thanks for
that update.

626
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:51,839
A work in progress is what we consider
this range, but eventually we will have

627
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,800
a facility.
>> Thank you. Thanks.

628
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,920
moved over from this side.

629
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,200
» Thanks, Matt.
>> Yeah,

630
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:21,040
» I was reading over this next one, 9.1.
This is in Councelor Harris's area,

631
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:26,559
right off Township Road 54. Looks like a
couple of parcels are wanted to be

632
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:32,599
created here for future homes. Am I
assuming suns or

633
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:32,599
» one extra sun? Yeah.

634
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:42,240
» Okay. We can uh consider first reading
on this proposed bylaw, which will be a

635
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:48,480
reasonzoning. Is that right, Joe?
>> Yeah. So before we make a decision on

636
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:53,680
that, I just did want to mention um so
the the portion of this zoning bylaw is

637
00:53:51,200 --> 00:54:00,960
just the 10 acres
um that kind of is just south of the

638
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:04,800
panhandle there. Um that portion of it
is going to be the reszone. The rest of

639
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:13,760
it would stay is proposed to stay as
agriculture at 62 acres. Um

640
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:20,559
it's below that threshold of 70 acres of
that we normally have for a um but we've

641
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:25,040
kind of in in past between that 60 and
70 acres a lot of times we do waivers

642
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:31,920
for those. We just did one this morning
um of a waiver under 70 acres. Um

643
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:36,400
or we can make him reszone that to real
small holdings. um either or it doesn't

644
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:41,599
make a huge difference
development wise or anything else. Uh it

645
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:47,200
just depends on policy wise at the time
of the subdivision. Um if this goes

646
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:52,960
forward and you uh and the subdivision
comes forward, you'd have to give a

647
00:54:48,800 --> 00:55:00,359
waiver for that 61 acres. Um because
it's below the 70 acre threshold.

648
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:00,359
panhandle.

649
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:11,680
» Oh, yeah. Well, it's a 20 it's a 20
meter parcel that's included in the

650
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:17,280
north portion of it in the a land.
>> That's the access for the for the a

651
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:22,000
land. Um but it is there for the purpose
of development in future as a road to

652
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:28,680
get to the back end.
>> So, but it's part the title is part

653
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,680
» of the aglet. Yeah.

654
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:38,240
» No. Well, yeah. Rod needs an easement
>> here

655
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:45,359
through there.
>> But the new proposal will have

656
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:47,680
this this for 70 acres in the back,
right?

657
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,880
» Yeah. This is just about 70 acres in the
back,

658
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:54,319
» right? Yeah. Yeah,
>> this would have to have an easement.

659
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:59,440
» This gets split into splitting this into
two.

660
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:04,599
» So it'll be an acres.
>> Yeah.

661
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:04,599
» Um and then Rod's house will be at one.

662
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,280
» I didn't understand.
>> Well, the checker's right. So right now

663
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:15,839
there's this 3acre parcel
>> and then there's this agriculture parcel

664
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:22,079
» that's 71 acres,
>> right? Um we have to this is already

665
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:26,119
resone single. So we have to resone this
portion of it.

666
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,119
» Okay.

667
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:35,640
» So they still have the same.

668
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:44,559
» So each of those plots will be seven
eight acres.

669
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:47,559
» Yeah. Six and a half and seven acres.
Okay.

670
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,559
» Yeah.

671
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:59,119
Access
>> on the road

672
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,160
» to the to 54. Will he be able to
>> He'll need a new access on 54.

673
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:05,280
» He'll have access 54.
>> Yeah.

674
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:09,440
» All right.
>> So, is what you're saying?

675
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,359
» It's It's just confusing because we're
we're only looking at the 71 acre

676
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:16,480
parcel, not the three. But the three at
the time the subdivision is all a part

677
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,880
of it. So
>> So what Joe what you're saying is in the

678
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:26,640
the future subdivision if it goes
through it's going to be two long

679
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:32,880
» two long lot one of these.
>> Yeah. But basically that the hashed and

680
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:36,000
then rods three acres
and split down the middle. Yeah.

681
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:42,160
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. with a little 20 meter

682
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:46,480
um tail from the agriculture parcel
>> right there on the far west

683
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:51,760
» very west got
>> which is access legal access to the

684
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:57,440
agriculture parcel and also
future road when that north park gets

685
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:02,079
subdivided because it's right by the
town it eventually will get subdivided

686
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:07,240
» Wayne are you willing to move close
meeting yes motion to read

687
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:16,240
doesn't have to be part of the motion.
Um it's just it's just a warning when it

688
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:20,079
comes to subdivision. You'd have to
provide a

689
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:27,040
» Yeah.
Yeah. Or we can just make them do real

690
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:34,799
small holdings at the same time. And
again, it doesn't make a difference at

691
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:39,119
61 acres. We we do it both ways.
Yeah.

692
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,559
» Public hearing to be held.
>> Uh yeah, this one is in August.

693
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:54,559
» August second Monday
>> August 10th at 10th.

694
00:58:51,760 --> 00:59:00,359
» Wayne's move that we proceed to give
first reading. Those in favor

695
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:00,359
carried.

696
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:12,240
Okay. Well, let's skip right down to um
additional items. First one I have here

697
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:16,799
is uh
the grand is bringing forward a concern

698
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:20,880
I think from a rate regarding dust
control.

699
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,880
And uh if Matt's still on the bill and
you think he needs to hear that? No,

700
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:29,680
» I don't. Okay.
>> No, it's more I think administration

701
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:36,000
comment concern. um had a rate payer hit
me up. He says, "How come I have to pay

702
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:40,880
by April for my dust control and I don't
get it till

703
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:44,880
two, three months later."
So I said, "Well, I don't I don't really

704
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:47,200
know what's behind that." So what is
behind that?

705
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:52,000
» Well, my understanding is right, and
I've been wrong today a couple of times,

706
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:57,920
but uh
he's paying his 400 reserve funds when

707
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:02,480
he commits to purchasing it. He's not
paying for the dust control until after

708
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:04,240
it's been sprayed, is my understanding.
>> So, he doesn't pay the full thing up

709
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:09,280
front. As
>> far as I know, he doesn't pay the $400

710
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:11,440
upfront. He's paying just the u
>> kind of a down payment.

711
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,040
» The down payment just so that we know
he's doing it and I can verify that. I'm

712
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:18,720
going to grab Jody or Jody is usually
the one that takes it. I don't think

713
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:25,920
Angel knows yet, but they usually pay
their $400 or sorry, a fee up front

714
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:30,319
and just as a commitment and then at the
end they pay it when we invoice. I might

715
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:36,640
be wrong
>> because I'm thinking $400 is usually 100

716
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:41,599
meters, but my understanding is they pay
deposit so we know they're committed and

717
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:47,280
then they do that, you know. and his
comment to me is, "Well, if you're going

718
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,760
to get my money regardless if you have
to add it to my taxes or whatever." So,

719
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,440
it's a lot of like,
>> yeah, but we don't want to add taxes.

720
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:58,400
That's just like
Yeah. But anyway, I just I said, "Well,

721
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:02,720
I don't know. Don't know the
nitty-gritty and I'll find out." And

722
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:07,280
» and then and if we are collecting it
all, the reason is just to ensure that

723
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,880
they do it.
When they pay dust control, do we

724
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,680
collect the whole thing or just a
deposit with the start?

725
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:17,559
» We just take a deposit,
>> which is how much

726
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:31,839
build after the dust control is done.
>> Okay.

727
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:34,480
» And it's up to the first 300 meters is
build at that. Anything over that,

728
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,079
there's an extra price.
>> Yeah. after that get 100 meters they

729
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:41,839
still paying the full thing up.
>> Yes. So if they get 100 meters they pay

730
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,520
the deposit which is basically they are
paying their paid. So

731
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:51,200
» so 100 meters they're paying the full
thing up front.

732
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:54,200
» Yes. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

733
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:06,559
So if they order 300 meters they're only
paying 400 bucks. And if they order 100

734
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:09,559
meters, they're paying the 400 bucks.
Yeah.

735
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:22,400
Uh we're ch like you said, I think for
200 300 meters we're charging, we're

736
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:28,520
giving the rate if they're charging over
that 300.

737
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:28,520
» Anything after 300 is

738
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:37,640
after
How much?

739
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:37,640
» It would be the same.

740
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:47,200
» Yeah, that's just the oil cost on.
>> So the

741
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:50,200
» So 100 or 200 meters is how much? A
meter?

742
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:58,160
» 400.
>> 400.

743
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:02,000
But I'm saying per meter. Oh, there
doesn't matter. still

744
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:05,000
» $4.60
plus

745
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:15,119
» but we
>> So we're basically we're

746
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:18,400
sharing at half the cost of the product.
We are paying half and the customers

747
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:22,400
paying half. Is that correct?
>> So they're paying 100% of the cost of

748
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,680
the product and we're paying the
>> gravel

749
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:30,079
» and the labor water.
>> Yeah. So,

750
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:34,720
but still it's a kind of half and half
almost. Yeah. Okay.

751
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:39,039
» Okay, that's good. I just I thought they
paid deposit, but I wasn't sure. So,

752
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:42,200
» thank you.
>> Thank you.

753
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:48,799
» So, anyway, he just asked, you know, how
come I have to pay it all up front and I

754
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,599
don't get it till two or three months
later?

755
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:55,680
And that's a great question in the sense
that Matt would was started this a month

756
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,920
ago, but it keeps getting pushed back
because we're the small guy on the

757
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:04,880
thing.
>> So, they are doing it now, but u

758
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:09,760
rain and moisture and there's
>> there's a lot of factors involved in it.

759
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:14,480
They get pushed back sometimes. He does
the best that he can to have it for the

760
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:17,680
first part of June.
>> Sometimes it's not always the case.

761
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:22,240
» Yeah, I know it's out of Matt's control
in that regard.

762
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:29,039
Okay. Is that satisfy? You can take some
answers back to

763
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:32,799
» Dennis. Uh, councelor Baker, uh, wants a
little discussion on the

764
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:35,920
» I wish I see if Matt's still there. He
can answer this one a lot better than

765
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:39,599
us.
>> Why don't you tell us, Dennis, what your

766
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:43,000
conversation was all about? Uh,
>> a phone call

767
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:51,480
up there.
We got barricades on the bridge.

768
01:04:52,079 --> 01:05:02,200
Want to know what's going on bridge
that nice

769
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:02,200
and then he

770
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:10,559
want that bridge there
and he said there's numerous citations

771
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:15,039
for
compliance with environment and

772
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:18,799
fisheries. I don't know anything about
that.

773
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:25,119
And I said, "Well, I'll let him talk to
council and find out about that."

774
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:29,440
So, basically,
you got three parties, I guess, the

775
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:34,640
Heritage Ranches,
the whole Haven Association, whatever

776
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:40,799
the guy called, and then you've got the
guys that run the cattle.

777
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:44,720
And so the guys that run the cattle I
don't think are getting along with the

778
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:52,000
heritage ranch guys that are coming down
and accessing and stopping.

779
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:57,079
» Yeah. So I I says I I don't know
anything about that.

780
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:06,240
» The bridge is part of their trail system
now. Like it's part of their designated

781
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:11,440
trail and they legally cannot cross that
creek without that bridge.

782
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:15,920
All the polyan guys that are crossing
the creek with their quads technically

783
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,839
they should be getting ticketed from
environment because they're not allowed

784
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,839
to do that and they're supposed to be
that

785
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:27,680
» and we own that bridge.
Is that what you told us that once the

786
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:31,599
bridge is built we take position?
>> Technically it's on our road allowance

787
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:33,920
and we we're responsible for it.
>> There's a lot of

788
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,000
» y
>> variables in this. Yeah.

789
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:44,640
» Now, when they said environmental
citations, I'm not sure what they mean.

790
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:49,200
» But
>> Sean, when he installed it, I believe he

791
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:52,160
got a talking to for running his
equipment across the river to help

792
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:56,280
install it.
>> So, was it good enough to drive?

793
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:04,200
» Uh, not at the moment.
But like

794
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,200
» so

795
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:10,480
» so what's the unsafe what's going on
that you wouldn't the iron or the wood

796
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,799
or what
>> big timbers

797
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:28,240
not big bro 8
and

798
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:35,640
so we closed it down since I ended up
waited till we had a chance to get to

799
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,640
it. Went out to our car. We pulled

800
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:44,559
those are 8 by8. We were going to pull
three of them for 24 in. We have 8 by6

801
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:53,920
timbers out of Delina. We were going to
replace four. Put four back in. And uh

802
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:59,039
as they pulled those they were clean and
they're pride against the other one two

803
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:09,520
more
shape and uh yeah so we finally

804
01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:14,400
Friday we've got timbers back in and I
believe

805
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:21,440
no we kind of got a bigger timber out of
the yard cut that down

806
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:28,400
I believe we it. Fan a gap 2 in gap with
some spruce that we have in the yard.

807
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:32,319
Just fill it up, take room, um, make it
functionable. It's not all the way back

808
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:37,120
together yet, but that's as far as we
got Friday. I've just been kind of

809
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:44,799
working on it and we have rain down on
other things, but I don't think it's a

810
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:49,520
huge priority. as you want it to be, but
probably only one is the guys who write

811
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,480
the trails out.
>> Yeah.

812
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:57,359
» So, how close is it to being ready?
Would you say couple days, week?

813
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,759
» Half day around with it, but
it's just getting there.

814
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:05,440
» Well, yeah.
>> Got everybody going to calcium and we're

815
01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:11,279
working on the fairway road up here.
So that will be the question first of

816
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:15,120
the talk meetings that bought the bridge
either watching.

817
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:18,480
» Well, it serves a purpose. It serves an
environmental purpose if they're

818
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:23,520
supposed to be using it.
>> It serves an access as an access going

819
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:27,920
down the road. That's the whole reason
why the road was built is to provide

820
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:32,880
access down to
parcels further to the south. So going

821
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:37,440
back, Carson County has not received any
citations on that bridge as being wrong

822
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:41,839
or anything. It was inspect or was uh
stamped by a surveyor at the start.

823
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:46,640
There's an issue with that being did he
have a license or not? But it's stamped.

824
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:49,839
It's gone. It's good. Um
>> you mean an engineer?

825
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:55,840
» Engineer. Yeah. Um
>> Oh, was

826
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:59,920
» it was stamped? Yeah. Um, I just gonna
say, but no, no. And the only, like I

827
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:05,840
said, the infraction so-called or the
environmental thing was I think Sean

828
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:09,920
took his his equipment across the river
to lift it across. He says he came all

829
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:14,159
the way around and whatever, but
whoever. That's the only incident I know

830
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,679
of. Do you know any other incidents
besides a quad guy driving through and

831
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,960
get the ticket for going on the river
and not the bridge?

832
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,440
» But there's the
>> That's part of the trip.

833
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:28,480
» Yeah. Yeah. So the recording environment
that's class water body or something

834
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:33,280
like that um stream unit. So you're only
allowed to cross it with a motor vehicle

835
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:38,640
uh the end of August to like
midepptember and any other time is an

836
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:44,000
environmental concern and you could get
fined for doing that just the whole way.

837
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:48,000
But it's the same situation as Le Creek
like you're not allowed to cross Le

838
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:53,440
Creek and at all it's the same
classification.

839
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:57,440
So technically even fully guys were not
allowed to drive their quads in the

840
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:02,280
creek if they
are blind.

841
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,280
» Yeah.

842
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:09,199
» So the the group out there that's doing
um the RV group, they've actually

843
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:13,600
started the installation of a bathroom
out there on our parking lot. They're

844
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:18,719
going to put two Texas gates, not Texas
gates. Yeah. Dexus gates down this road

845
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:24,080
so that everything will cattle will stay
on their side. So they're doing a lot of

846
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:28,560
lot of work out there.
>> Yeah, they would. That is part of the

847
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,159
trail system now as set up by Alberta
Environment. Sorry, Alberta Environment.

848
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:36,560
Yeah, the trail land and forest or
whatever. And they're technically

849
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:43,480
supposed to go across that as far as the
heritage.

850
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,480
» I wouldn't think a lot

851
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:51,600
not not accessing the ranch though.
>> They'll go from heritage ranch. Yes. The

852
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:56,159
trip to stop the trail system because
they they have to go from there all the

853
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:02,000
way up to the gates to start.
>> Um so there was a ticket last summer

854
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:08,400
given to a guy who was using that and
then they was on trail uh without

855
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:12,560
signing in even though he was coming
from her ranch to the start.

856
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:17,440
» Yeah. And then that particular I believe
is wave.

857
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:21,920
» I did talk to uh
Randy Still. I think he was here. All of

858
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:26,800
us talked to him that he told us they
were putting the two Texas gates in and

859
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:32,400
the gate right here so that Heritage
Ranch cannot use this location to access

860
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,679
the park that they're going to go. So he
so he's part of the

861
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:42,800
» Yes. So he told me that's what they're
doing and seems like they're

862
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:47,120
» So then I'll just report back
discuss and I I said if you'd like to

863
01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:52,000
come to council make a presentation
whatever talk to everybody. I says this

864
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:57,360
is all before my time. I'm not really
aware of all the treatments and do what

865
01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:01,600
where
I don't think everybody's happy. No, to

866
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:06,400
be honest,
>> everybody will be happy.

867
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,880
» We were happy the day that that group
came on and we could step out of it and

868
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:12,440
say
>> it must have been.

869
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:20,880
» So, you know, this is really,
>> but as far as a bridge goes, Dennis, the

870
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:25,040
bridge is going to remain. We're not
we're still gonna use it as uh

871
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:29,600
» so I can say the bridge was stamped
engineerally and it's been approved

872
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,000
through environment and the bridge is
state

873
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:36,800
» I don't know I wouldn't say it's been
approved through environment I'm not

874
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:41,840
sure they approved
>> okay didn't Shawn have to get all those

875
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:46,480
okay that's good then he did
>> so and then if they had more to cancel I

876
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:52,480
guess
>> he had his hand slapped when they

877
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:56,080
crossed the creek. But that was that was
>> well and if he wants to come to council,

878
01:13:54,719 --> 01:14:00,960
I'm not sure what he wants to come to
council for

879
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:06,199
» because sanium after environment. Well,
it's

880
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,199
» I explained to them

881
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:18,239
» and council at the time gave permission
to build a fairway

882
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:22,800
on that and part of that is to follow
all the environmental rules and all that

883
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:28,600
kind of stuff which he did with the with
the bridge, right? Because that was a

884
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,600
big problem. Couldn't cross.

885
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:34,600
It was a second way out.
>> Yes. Technically,

886
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:42,120
» and we're fixing it. So, we're taking on
that responsibility.

887
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,120
$100

888
01:14:51,199 --> 01:15:01,199
if you can get them like there
>> on that. And if council wants to pull

889
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:10,080
out the bridge and tell everybody
that bridge

890
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:10,080
it was installed or Yeah.

891
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,640
It wasn't a bridge.
>> It wasn't a new bridge.

892
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:32,199
» It It The bridge was born 50 years ago.
>> Yeah. It's just a moved bridge.

893
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:39,600
» ATV
bridge. It's not bad.

894
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:42,800
» Yeah. Yeah. Right. And so you can
designate it to be diesel.

895
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:45,920
» Yeah, they could restrict the access
vehicle access.

896
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:50,239
» Yeah. To clarify the question of does
Heritage Ranch use that as access? I

897
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:57,840
think
>> my understanding is only as a trail to

898
01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:02,400
get into not to get into their property.
They come in from the south end into

899
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:05,679
their property, but once they're at the
property, they'll use it as access to

900
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:10,640
get in to pull
>> head before they

901
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:13,640
» Yes.
>> Emergency.

902
01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:22,640
» It was It was put in by Sean to get his
cattle to his thing.

903
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:28,880
» I've driven across the bridge in my big
truck before many times.

904
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:37,280
» Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I've been across it in a

905
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:39,440
pickup, you know, but uh
>> I don't know.

906
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:42,600
» That's pretty rough.
>> So these

907
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:49,199
» I drove across.
>> So these timbers are they the actual

908
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:53,719
structural span support from side to
side or they east west timbers?

909
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:03,239
» Okay.
big table sit on that and there's

910
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,239
decking on top of that.

911
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:08,840
» So the steel is actually the structural
support.

912
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:16,560
» Once that's done, you can take your
semi- loaded cat across it

913
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:21,440
» again.
>> Yeah, but I think that's a good point.

914
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:27,520
We should talk about a truck and
trailer. Yeah, it should really be

915
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:30,960
restricted to quads only or small ATVs
just

916
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:36,320
» because there's liability.
>> Yes, I do think we have uh signs down

917
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:39,880
there, but yes, there's always liability
>> on every road.

918
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:51,840
» That was one of the problems is you
couldn't get couldn't get from this land

919
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:55,679
to
couldn't get to his land unless he went

920
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:58,000
through other people's land.
>> Mhm.

921
01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:01,320
» He didn't have any easements, but this
was his legal.

922
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:15,320
» Okay. Is that satisfactory, Dennis?
All right.

923
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,320
Murray is 11:45. Is anybody out?

924
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:26,239
I don't think anybody's out there told
>> the question and answer period is

925
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:33,040
currently open. We'll move on to Tom
501. You got a continuing question.

926
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:38,719
» Yeah. I don't Where do I go, guys?
>> I guess we'll go play.

927
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:44,880
» No. Do we go political?
go to the minister's cow and I approach

928
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:49,600
him and say, you know, we're not getting
anywhere with transportation.

929
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:56,880
I sent you all these letters and we
still haven't got any

930
01:18:52,080 --> 01:19:01,520
thing from transportation. I mean,
>> that's that's his only option, isn't it?

931
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:05,640
» Do I see a governor wants to come at
lunch? So can

932
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:16,400
» can if you want
>> can can we schedule a time for Mr. ask

933
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:21,960
to come to our council meeting
>> anytime you can get him here

934
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,960
» summer time

935
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:32,000
» if if he can attend our council meeting
and see if he can

936
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:36,199
» should be a good time to network is when
they're not in Edmonton right

937
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,560
» I just got a questions.

938
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:53,000
» I'll just call and see if you could be
think

939
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:59,679
I just
instead of us waiting around till 1:30,

940
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:03,679
I just figured maybe Delbert could come
a little earlier if he's nearby. And

941
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:08,239
Carsten,
um Tim Tim can be here at 1, but if

942
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:12,640
Delbert can come before 1, that would be
great.

943
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:18,159
Yeah.
Uh because I think fellas that for the

944
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:23,600
most part we've
we've taken care of all of our agenda

945
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:27,679
items here today.
>> You're talking about a close session.

946
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:34,159
» Close session.
>> Yeah, we got that left and that's as far

947
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:40,560
as I know that. And Tim Romano
>> here. Those in favor

948
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:43,520
had talk while you guys reading. We
appreciate the opportunity to come.

949
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:47,520
We've had to cancel a couple of times
because I forgot once and then you were

950
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:52,239
tied up with a
I think the church property

951
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:56,719
had a meeting. So anyways, but we'd like
to uh come and I apologize there's no

952
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:02,320
directors here. They were planning on
coming at 1:30 today, but they couldn't

953
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:06,560
change their their plan. So, but we
usually come after every election and

954
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:10,960
meet with all the councils in our in the
district of Chief Mountain just to uh

955
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:16,159
just to review what Chief Mountain does
and that we're here to provide service

956
01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:20,880
for most of the county residents
any questions that that you may have. We

957
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:24,960
put this practice in place because
there's lots of time new counselors and

958
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,800
I know Dennis is the new new counselor
here but sometimes there's no changes

959
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:33,520
but we still like to attend the council
meetings and there could be

960
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:38,880
administration people change that are
not aware of chief mountain gas and what

961
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:46,480
they do and so uh so we just we come and
present that. So let's push this button

962
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,719
the other one. Yeah. So, as many of you
know, Dennis Dennis might not, but the

963
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:55,280
rest of you are members of the gas co-op
already. So, we've been in business

964
01:21:52,639 --> 01:22:01,199
since 1973. It's when the co-op was
started, co-op program. And it was

965
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:06,080
started as a gr gas root grassroots
just some farmers got together because

966
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:11,440
Premier Loheed wanted to gas supply
all of Alberta. And uh those original

967
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:16,560
board members
uh a lot of the original meetings were

968
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:21,679
held in kitchens and farmhouse as they
tried to establish and and talk to their

969
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:27,199
neighbors to get gas service. So in 73
we the Chief Mountain was formed. In 74

970
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:34,800
we started putting pipelines in.
In 2020, and 2002, we amalgamated with

971
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:40,880
Somerville Gas Co-op, which is serves uh
east and north of Pincher Creek, and uh

972
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:46,560
they had amalgamated with Livingston Gas
Co-op, which is up the Mayraft up

973
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:51,040
Highway 22. And so our service district
is we're a 4-hour drive from the east

974
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:56,880
end of our co-op to the north end of our
co-op. So we're quite a big district.

975
01:22:54,159 --> 01:23:01,600
currently serve 1720 member customers
with natural gas. We serve the US port

976
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:06,400
of Pagan and Waterton Lakes National
Park. So we're one of the only gas

977
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,679
co-ops to do those two things in the in
the

978
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:12,960
» border
>> just into the port of Pagan. So the US

979
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,960
side. Yeah.

980
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:23,280
Hi, natural fib have 16 km of
highpressure steel lines, 96 km of high

981
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:28,400
pressure aluminum lines and countless
kilometers of polyethylene pipeline gas

982
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:35,920
lines throughout the pull-ups.
Uh we're our pipelines are over 50 years

983
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:39,679
old, many of them. uh because we do
constant ma maintenance on the cathodic

984
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:43,520
protection of our steel and aluminum
lines, they're in good shape. We we

985
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:48,639
don't anticipate having to replace them
anytime soon.

986
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:53,679
our plastic lines. Uh there was a black
poly line that was that was produced in

987
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:59,199
the early '7s
that is uh it's not failing, but if we

988
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:03,840
if we have to squeeze it off for then
where we squeeze the pipe that pressure

989
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:08,480
cracks and will start to leak within two
years. And so we're starting a program

990
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:12,080
now to start replacing some of that
black pipe. Fortunately, we don't have a

991
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:17,840
lot of it. It's usually usually just a
customer service drop to their house

992
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:22,080
because it's only 3/4 inch poly.
And the other problem we're having with

993
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:27,840
3/4 in, we don't put very much 3/4 in
anymore cuz our gophers like chewing on

994
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:33,440
that pipe and uh
we were part of part of the reason that

995
01:24:30,639 --> 01:24:36,080
we got the strict nine approval. Uh they
took some of our samples of our chewed

996
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:38,159
gas pipe.
>> That's right.

997
01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:41,760
» And uh so
>> so they can chew right through them.

998
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:46,719
They chew through it. Yeah. And the ones
we've dug up

999
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:51,280
biologist, but it appears it's where the
nest is

1000
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:55,040
because it's chewed for about 4 feet.
Um, and I think the new gophers are

1001
01:24:53,199 --> 01:25:00,080
cutting their teeth is what I think it
is because there no other reason to chew

1002
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:05,600
on it. We've had badgers and beavers
chew through our lines and they they're

1003
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:10,400
they have a purpose. Just so you know,
Delbert, I'm doing my part to help your

1004
01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:14,639
infrastructure.
There's a Chief Mountain line right on

1005
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:20,080
my private road and I shot 50 gophers
right on the line.

1006
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:24,880
Well, there was a time years ago we
service guys, we all carried a 22 in our

1007
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:29,360
truck because there's some fields that
were just terrible for gophers and uh

1008
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:35,600
and you guys are aware of that situation
now. So anyways, we're we're not putting

1009
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:39,199
very many 3/4 lines in the bigger pipe,
one inch and bigger, the gophers don't

1010
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,560
seem to bother us.
>> So yeah,

1011
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:45,440
» yellow pipe.
>> So I think it's just it's too big of a

1012
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:50,239
pipe for they get their
anyways. Uh we also offer 100% burner

1013
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:56,880
tip service to our service area. So, we
we have a full HVAC and plumbing

1014
01:25:53,360 --> 01:26:00,560
uh trades people in our office and we we
offer that service to all of our

1015
01:25:58,719 --> 01:26:03,880
customers and and the municipalities
that we serve.

1016
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:12,719
» You guys still
>> Yeah, still do your in-house work.

1017
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:16,960
» Yeah.
>> We work closely with ATCO and Apex in

1018
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:25,600
the joint franchise area. So we're
scattered uh around the areas. We've got

1019
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:31,199
Apex Knackful joining us in many areas.
Uh we have 1188 members. So we are a gas

1020
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:36,320
co-op. We're owned by those members.
Many of you that are members uh are

1021
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:40,560
owners of Chief Mountain Gas Co-op. I
and they elect the members elect the

1022
01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:45,679
board of directors.
The board of directors direct me in what

1023
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:51,199
I do. So, as far as policy and bylaws,
that's just some of the diverse group

1024
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:55,760
that we serve. Uh,
right colonies that we've we've got a

1025
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:01,440
lot of colonies in the in Carson County
and and MD Pincher.

1026
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:07,679
Interesting story. I was up uh near High
Prairie or Prairie River, sorry, with

1027
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:12,400
doing a provincial government audits and
Old Elm Colony was splitting and moving

1028
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:16,639
up there from McGrath
And so we pulled in the yard and asked

1029
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:20,320
for Fred. He's their gas guy. And he
came out and said, "What the heck are

1030
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:24,400
you doing up here?"
>> But that's the first gas or first hur

1031
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:28,159
colony in that area
>> up there and clearing land.

1032
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:31,920
» Yeah, they're clearing land. Lots of
land they got to clear. But uh it's a

1033
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:36,800
different uh different farming
environment and people don't don't know

1034
01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:44,000
about hood. So
that's just our web page and uh the

1035
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:48,560
green the green on that map shows our
service our franchise areas.

1036
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:52,000
So everything outside of that is either
at core or apex.

1037
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:59,679
» Yes.
>> Who determines the I think.

1038
01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:04,719
» Yeah. So it it was determined in 197172
when Premier Lohei decided to he wanted

1039
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:11,280
all of Alberta to be gasified natural
gas. He went to the two ACO and Apex now

1040
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:16,800
but they were northwestern and Canadian
western at the time and said we want you

1041
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:21,440
to service rural Alberta and they said
we don't want to service rural Alberta.

1042
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:26,480
We just want to do the hubs we've got
the cherry picking is what we call it.

1043
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:31,040
And so they said, "Then draw your lines,
draw your tongs areas around where you

1044
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:35,360
are, and that we're going to give
everything else to the gas to a gas

1045
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:42,000
co-op program." So there was 85 original
gas co-ops, uh, gas co-ops, First

1046
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:46,480
Nations, and municipalities in the
north. There's some counties that that

1047
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:51,440
run their gas system.
So, we've got 81 today

1048
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:55,840
and those the four that aren't there
were amalgamated with other co-ops.

1049
01:28:53,440 --> 01:29:00,480
» So, but there's no
people I'd like to change over.

1050
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:06,800
» Yeah. No, there's uh you're pretty well
stuck with your provider that way. We we

1051
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:11,840
have some fringe like fringe areas where
over in Pincher Apex didn't want to

1052
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:16,000
serve a customer in their franchise, but
right on our border and so they turned

1053
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:19,840
the customer over to us. It didn't
change the franchise area. They're still

1054
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:24,480
the customer, but we get to serve them.
If they ever build a pipeline there,

1055
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:30,800
then they'll take them there.
>> Yeah. And we we had the same situation

1056
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:32,800
up here with
Lonnie Shipley. So, Lonnie.

1057
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:39,199
» Yeah.
>> Up on the hill and up by L Grand. Yeah.

1058
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:44,679
We had to get ato to let Blanie be our
customer because he's outside our

1059
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:44,679
franchise. boundary.

1060
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:52,719
» You guys
Mountain View. Yeah.

1061
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:57,040
» It's like Mountain View Hills Glenwood.
>> Yeah. In the 50s when ACCO brought gas

1062
01:29:54,800 --> 01:30:00,960
to the major municipalities, they picked
up all the

1063
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,760
» Did they follow the highway? Does ACO
have like so much on each side of the

1064
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:09,679
highway or not?
>> No. So, coming down Highway Five,

1065
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:16,000
there's a few act customers.
Uh they call them farm taps

1066
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:18,400
» and uh if if they don't want gas from
that, they can change.

1067
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,520
» They can though.
>> Yeah. Because most time they couldn't.

1068
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:25,920
» Yeah. They're shown in our franchise
area. They're not excluded. Spring

1069
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:30,480
is excluded like the Hamlet of
Spring but

1070
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:38,320
» like the Beavers and
I'm not sure who all that highway, but

1071
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:41,040
we we picked up a couple of those
change. Yeah.

1072
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:49,199
McGrath McGrath is the lines are drawn
there until they till the town McGrath

1073
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,639
annexes and everything.
>> But you service our new our new

1074
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:55,360
commercial subdivision cuz you did some
work out there, right?

1075
01:30:53,840 --> 01:31:00,400
» You laid some pipe in the ground.
>> Yeah, we laid some pipe in our main line

1076
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:05,280
in so it was ready when So we just have
to dig things up again.

1077
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:10,000
» Mhm. No.
And there's some other I we're going to

1078
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:14,000
be looking at doing some upgrades there
south of McGrath. There's a couple of

1079
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:17,600
applications for subdivisions.
You know, there's four four lots of

1080
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:20,880
stringums and
>> there's a big there's a big 30 lot one

1081
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:23,760
coming. The realtor told me the other
day. I don't think you've seen that one

1082
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:27,560
yet, but
>> just south of the cemetery.

1083
01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:36,280
They bought that they bought that piece
of that house has been abandoned. I

1084
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:36,280
don't think anybody's living there but

1085
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:45,120
» Yeah. Yeah. So they're talking about
>> work where this snow of who works

1086
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:50,400
» cemetery graveyard
>> chill in a Yeah

1087
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:56,560
cemetery.
>> Yeah. Just before you turn the curve

1088
01:31:52,719 --> 01:32:02,480
that's a big abandoned old thing that
did more. Yeah. Yeah.

1089
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:07,280
Uh this so we're divided into three
zones at the Pitch Creek area zone one.

1090
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:11,679
This is our board members up there. Jim
Welch our chairman Ron Schmidtz from

1091
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:17,520
Twinbute and Dennis Stuk is there by the
Waterton Dam. Our zone two is Waterton

1092
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:22,560
Park and Carson the west half of Carson
County. So Brett Stewart Burke Nish and

1093
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:27,440
Tim Forsight are the directors there.
And in McGrath Del Bonita and we also

1094
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:33,199
have two customers in the county of
Warner now. Uh Gary Stanford's our vice

1095
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:38,120
chairman, John Schneider, and uh BJ
Sherlink from Delminata is our

1096
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:38,120
secretary.

1097
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:46,880
Construction, we appreciate the Carson
County's ability to work with us when

1098
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:52,800
we're constructing. And uh this is a
picture from Parage Acres

1099
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:57,120
that we did last year. Uh customer took
that picture and I thought it framed

1100
01:32:54,000 --> 01:33:02,320
Chief Mountain quite well
and uh we were able to get that gas line

1101
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:06,080
all in for those lots up there without
too many environmental concerns from

1102
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:09,280
some of the tree huggers up there. But
>> you guys contract

1103
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:12,280
» No, we contract.
>> Yeah.

1104
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:21,199
» Uh in 2017 we bought Glacier Mechanical
in Pincher Creek uh which was a HVAC

1105
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:26,320
business over there. We felt like we
needed a office presence in Pinger Creek

1106
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:31,360
and so that gives us an office over
there and we bought six full-time staff

1107
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:36,159
over there that take care of Pinch Creek
calls.

1108
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:40,400
Just some of the stuff we sell. Got a
heck of a sale on barbecues right now.

1109
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:45,360
If you need a barbecue,
come down and visit.

1110
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:50,880
» Yeah.
There's our current staff. Uh Ken Olds

1111
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:54,560
is one of our oldest employees and he's
retiring supposed to be on the 30th of

1112
01:33:53,280 --> 01:34:00,000
June, but he came and saw me this
morning. His mother passed away on

1113
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:03,360
Friday and so Ken's and so he's taking
he's done today effectively. So

1114
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:06,480
» Ken's done.
>> Ken is done. Yeah,

1115
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:09,360
» he's always been I have him in my phone.
He's always been my cheap mountain gas

1116
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:13,760
guy.
>> Ken be

1117
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:17,719
changing my phone number just so you
don't see that. It's fine.

1118
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,560
too many people that call me. So,
anyways, but

1119
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:26,480
» Tim Anderson was been there for a while.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Tim's been with us for a

1120
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:30,960
while. We've got uh four apprentices
right now.

1121
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:36,239
Um well, five apprentices effectively.
Uh Jordan Butler's from Glenwood. He's

1122
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:43,679
just he's going for his fourth year. The
uh Elnar Sigir and Demit Sega are

1123
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:47,360
Philippine apprentices. And uh to be
honest, I'd hire more of them if I could

1124
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:51,760
find them.
Uh it's not very often an employee comes

1125
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:58,000
in and says, "Thank you, sir. Thank you,
sir, for my job." And uh and they just

1126
01:34:54,560 --> 01:35:03,080
know how to work. So, but that's the
list of the of our employees there.

1127
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:10,400
And again, we just we just thank you for
the opportunity to come and and visit

1128
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:17,520
with you and uh work with Joe and Murray
u and your road crew guys, Matt.

1129
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:21,120
I bumped into Matt at the RCMP station
the other day. I says, "Are you in

1130
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:25,280
trouble or am I in trouble?" He said, "I
hope none of us are in trouble." But

1131
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:31,040
anyways, there's one thing I would like
to suggest and we suggested to the MD of

1132
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:38,960
Pincher and and Willow Creek and Warner
also is uh I've talked to you Joe about

1133
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:42,719
a permit process. A lot of times we find
we're installing gas to customers that

1134
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:47,760
have built a house or built something
and nobody knows anything about it and

1135
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:53,120
when we go to pull our gas permit then
the hits the fan. And I think the

1136
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:58,000
county's experienced a couple of those.
Uh, but if there was a way that the as

1137
01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:01,760
Chief Mountain, if we could just send
Joe a list and say, "Here's the

1138
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:06,880
applications we've got for new gas
services and you just approve them and

1139
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:11,840
then that gives you guys a heads up that
there's there's something going on

1140
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:16,639
there." Um, we don't want you to charge
us a permit fee or anything like that,

1141
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:20,880
but it just allows you guys to and and
we get we get quite a considerable flak.

1142
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:26,880
uh
poor blunt. I won't mention anything

1143
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:31,520
bad, but he's one example that
builds a shop and then all of a sudden

1144
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:34,960
the shop turns into something more than
really going to be, right? And so we

1145
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:38,480
take out our permit for the heating
system and he's mad at us for taking a

1146
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:41,840
permit out because now they want the
electrical permit and a sewer permit and

1147
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:46,080
a water, you know, all these other
permits. And uh we just figured it'd be

1148
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:51,600
best for the county to be on top of that
before. And so we usually have them come

1149
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:56,719
in and apply uh
two months before they want the gas. So

1150
01:36:54,719 --> 01:37:00,800
it just be a matter of sending a letter
to you guys saying here's our

1151
01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:04,400
applications for this spring or fall or
whatever and and you guys have got them

1152
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:07,040
on your radar.
>> So what are you looking for? Just a

1153
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:10,400
development permit or
>> just a per Yeah, a lot of times we have

1154
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:17,320
to get permission to cross a road
anyways and so we just thought it would

1155
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:17,320
be part of that request.

1156
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:23,280
No,
>> someone doesn't have the permit for you.

1157
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:27,760
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. May I

1158
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:31,600
» You can't issue the permit.
>> No.

1159
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:35,199
» No. No. No. We We'd still do our gas.
>> Yeah.

1160
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:39,360
» And just just giving you guys a heads up
more than more than anything.

1161
01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:44,239
» We We hate to make the customers mad,
but our insurance for our in-house gas

1162
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:48,800
work, we have to take a permit out.
Otherwise, we're completely liable,

1163
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:53,760
right? And so, and as we explain it to
the homeowners, it's protecting you on

1164
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:58,320
your insurance side. If if your house
burned down tomorrow and you didn't have

1165
01:37:55,360 --> 01:38:02,000
a gas permit, then your insurance is
going to say, "Well, who who approved

1166
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:04,159
all the work?" And it's the same with
the electrical and the building and

1167
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:08,480
everything.
>> You're after you're after to have a

1168
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:10,159
their their gas permit from inspection.
>> We have before you guys go to the

1169
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,600
property.
>> We won't hang the meter until until we

1170
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:17,920
have a permit. So,
>> it's a nice way for us to know what's

1171
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:19,840
going on before take a crap.
>> Yeah.

1172
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,880
» We can take it when we send them a
letter saying,

1173
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:25,520
» "Yeah,
>> here you're building."

1174
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:27,679
» A lot of the times there's when they
say, "Well, we're building a barn."

1175
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:30,159
» Yeah.
>> Right.

1176
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:34,159
» Um that's only good for the building
permit and the development permit. Yeah.

1177
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:39,040
They still have to get gas permits to
get electrical permits.

1178
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:43,639
It's when those burns turn in barns turn
into apartments and

1179
01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:47,719
» Yeah.

1180
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:58,560
» Anyways, any other questions?
I'm a proud member of the gas. I don't

1181
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:03,000
know how many of you guys are members of
Chief Mountain, but I really like

1182
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:12,040
I
>> I think it's been a very good company to

1183
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:12,040
deal with

1184
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:17,280
» co-op. I should say a co-op.
>> Yeah.

1185
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:21,760
» Um Delbert, I have a question for you.
You had a picture of a Resnor for unit.

1186
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:27,360
» Yeah,
>> I'm in need of one right now. The uh the

1187
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:31,199
attached garage is 32 by 36 with like 12
foot ceilings. Do you have something in

1188
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:34,320
stock?
They usually have it left. Our

1189
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:37,600
wholesalers have it. Yeah. So, it's
usually a day to get it.

1190
01:39:35,679 --> 01:39:41,360
» I'll fly about I think my dad wants to
put one in his in his attached garage,

1191
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:43,520
but I can come buy it from you guys.
>> Yeah.

1192
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:47,600
» Make sure you
>> Yeah.

1193
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:50,880
Well, we learned that today.
>> We We sell a lot of the Calcana the two

1194
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:57,280
Peters.
>> Two Peters. the this they call them like

1195
01:39:53,520 --> 01:40:00,639
a sunray or anyways they're
>> for those of you that have a shop with

1196
01:39:58,639 --> 01:40:06,639
one in it. It's a different heat than
the reners. U and it they work great as

1197
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:10,480
they heat everything underneath. They
heat everything underneath your floors

1198
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:15,600
warm all the time and your recovery time
is a lot quicker than the four stair

1199
01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:19,920
style. And the cost is about the same.
So it just depends if you got room to

1200
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:23,360
run down one side of your building.
>> Lots of room.

1201
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:28,560
» Yeah. So they are they are a nicer
heater than the reszers. We get a lot of

1202
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:32,400
customers that don't use their garage
all the time or their shop and they just

1203
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:36,800
want to be go out and turn the heat on
and get it warm right away. Those calers

1204
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:40,800
aren't good for that. The resiners are
probably your best best thing then and

1205
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:44,320
probably upsize it if that's the use of
it.

1206
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:49,280
The appliances today are designed to
just set a temperature and stay on and

1207
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:55,040
maintain that temperature rather than
the quick quick startup. So

1208
01:40:53,440 --> 01:41:01,840
» yeah, give us a call.
>> Well, we appreciate you being here and

1209
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:06,159
and uh we definitely a lot of we have a
lot of things going on in Carson County

1210
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:10,639
that include you. So, thank you for the
service that you provide

1211
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:14,080
and uh come back again and see us. We're
happy to see you brought your board,

1212
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:16,960
some of your board last time. I
remember.

1213
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:21,040
» Yeah, I invited them for today for 1:30,
but changing it to

1214
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:24,080
» they're busy. But
>> when is the AGM normally? Maybe I should

1215
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:28,400
start.
>> So, we've changed we used to be we

1216
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:34,000
changed our year end to December. Used
to be in September when we moved to the

1217
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:39,600
automated uh meter readings like we
gather them by plane now. Then we

1218
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:44,239
changed our AM every at the end of every
year. we have to physically go and read

1219
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:47,760
all the meters and December got to be a
real problem during Christmas break and

1220
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:51,119
New Year's
>> with some of the winters we had to try

1221
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:54,159
and get to all the places to read meters
and so once we went to the automated

1222
01:41:52,719 --> 01:42:00,239
readings then we don't have that
requirement anymore because we get it

1223
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:03,119
every month so it's in February
can't give you the date right now

1224
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:05,600
February it's the last week of February
I think

1225
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:10,080
» did they send out a notice
>> yeah there's a notice of clearing your

1226
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:12,719
gas bill and then it's on our web page
and everything. So,

1227
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:18,880
» okay,
>> it's usually at the Remington Center

1228
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:23,119
1:00 afternoon meeting. We've tried
we've tried supper, supper time. We've

1229
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:27,679
tried everything to get members to come
and the best thing we have is just have

1230
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:33,679
some elections going on. That brings
that brings more members out. So, but

1231
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:39,679
there was years we would it'd be the
nine directors and the staff and maybe

1232
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:44,480
one or two come in
out of,00 members. And so I told our

1233
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:48,480
chairman, I said, "Well, double the gas
price two months before the meeting and

1234
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:53,600
you'll
>> you'll have a full house." Yeah.

1235
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:56,000
» So So you're on, but everyone else
isn't.

1236
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:58,000
» No, I'm on.
>> You're on. Wayne,

1237
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,719
» you're on.
>> And Tom is

1238
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:02,480
» one, two, three.
>> Roger.

1239
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:05,199
» Yeah, Roger.
>> Just you guys.

1240
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:16,800
No, Rob Ganu, he's he's got his red seal
electrical, so he can do everything.

1241
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:23,360
» I remember Jacobs was always agitated.
He was on Echo and he wanted

1242
01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:29,920
pipeline was right close to his house
like he's like, "Why can't I?"

1243
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:33,040
» Yeah.
>> Going to miss Kim.

1244
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:35,520
» Yes, we are.
We are.

1245
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:37,679
» How many years there for Ken?
>> 23.

1246
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:44,960
» 23.
>> Yeah, that's that's with us.

1247
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:48,560
» I'm I'm pushing 46, I think, this this
fall. Something like that.

1248
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:55,600
» And you started at
>> I started as an apprentice gas

1249
01:43:52,639 --> 01:44:01,119
» 19. I went to university. I was going to
be a get a business degree. I went to

1250
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:08,960
the UEL for one year and I got so sick
and tired of all theology classes. I

1251
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:12,400
said and I this dad said we need a
coming.

1252
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:15,520
» So your dad was working
>> he was the manager. Yeah.

1253
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:20,800
» And now your son is
>> he was the original manager, right?

1254
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:25,199
» And Harry Harry was the original manager
and started the co-op. Then dad started

1255
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:29,440
in
1983 or something. No.

1256
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:35,880
» No. 1980.
>> Well, these are good people. So,

1257
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:35,880
» yeah. Yeah. It's been a good career.

1258
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:42,400
» Is your son's name do I put in there
instead of now?

1259
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,880
» He would be him or Brandon Schaefer. We
hired Brandon Schaer a year ago.

1260
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:48,080
» Oh, yeah.
>> Um,

1261
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:51,360
we didn't steal him from Schaper
Plumbing, but their brothers weren't

1262
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:56,960
getting along there. Yeah. And so, and
he's been a great addition. Very

1263
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:59,600
knowledgeable fellow, too. So,
>> yeah.

1264
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:01,600
» One or the other.
>> All right.

1265
01:45:00,159 --> 01:45:05,119
» Thank you so much.
>> I hear I hear you got owls and

1266
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:08,000
woodpeckers to worry about up at the
campground. Is that what's going on?

1267
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,719
» I haven't heard that yet.
>> Church camp. They shut them down.

1268
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:14,880
» Oh, I didn't know that.
>> Really?

1269
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:18,960
» Some some woodpecker and a some owl or
something? That's what my dad They told

1270
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:23,040
my dad the other day. You mean to tell
me that the environmentalists have come

1271
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:30,239
out and and are trying to attack them?
>> Well, that's Yeah,

1272
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:33,679
» I think BCLA brought them in. Something
to go something to do with where the

1273
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:38,639
road the new roads going down like the
switchbacks. They can't do that because

1274
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:42,400
they found these a woodpecker and a owl
of some sort. They're endangered

1275
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:46,080
species.
Okay, that's good.

1276
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:49,520
But they did get started on it so that's
good.

1277
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:52,000
They'll take care they'll take care of
it now.

1278
01:45:50,719 --> 01:45:55,600
» Couple prayers they'll be gone.
>> Yeah.

1279
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:58,840
» All right. Thank you guys. Thank you.
See you later.

1280
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:14,639
For
getting out. And uh Chief Mountain they

1281
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:21,719
say is the most competitive gas rate
price anywhere locally.

1282
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,719
» Good. Yeah.

1283
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:41,679
So that's the developer came years ago.
We did a resolution

1284
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:48,199
that any land that got that would still
be that used to be in cheap would stay

1285
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:48,199
there.

1286
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:55,239
So like if it went to that franchise
area

1287
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:02,639
with that subdivision of
Duncan

1288
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:06,400
because they didn't you know act was
going to do it but then all a sudden no

1289
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:12,199
sorry
but then it became part of the town and

1290
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:12,199
like lost potential.

1291
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,719
So that that new subdivision would

1292
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:26,119
» be surprising.

1293
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:51,480
something just real quick before Tim
gets going.

1294
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,520
» Uh,

1295
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:06,080
did we recess our meeting and waiting
for Tim to come? Is that what we do?

1296
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:13,920
» Yeah.
>> Can't figure it out.

1297
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:18,119
I'll move be a break for get settled.
>> Okay, does that work?

1298
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,119
» That works.

1299
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:24,040
» Thank you for the clarity.

1300
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:30,000
» Okay, Mike, is there anything you want
to say to start off?

1301
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:34,800
» Uh, no. I'll I'll tell you. Basically,
our auditors, what we had last year, our

1302
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:39,440
contract is over. We did renew it for a
year because we can extend it. Uh we're

1303
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:44,639
just having weekly worked on it last
year few things. So Mike has been

1304
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:49,119
talking to another firm or two. Their
service is about $30,000. What we

1305
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:54,560
currently pay, sorry, is about $30,000.
So it's not under the threshold of our

1306
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:58,639
going out to tender or anything. Uh
Mike's been talking to one. He just

1307
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:04,080
wants to get some input from council if
we can start more s talking about

1308
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:08,239
switching out auditors for this coming
year the end of the year or what's

1309
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:14,239
council's preference on that
>> remind me again it's KPMG

1310
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:19,360
» KPMG so we had KPMG roughly since 2016
is the last time reference

1311
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:26,320
» and we had BDO prior to that and usually
every 10 years the county has gone out

1312
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:32,400
and sought others
just for a finance just for fresh eyes

1313
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:38,080
because sometimes we all after 10 years
of doing something you know not saying

1314
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:43,600
that they are um so there used to be
something called the big five they don't

1315
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:47,760
exist anymore they've all fallen away by
scandal or other things so in

1316
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:53,920
Lebridgeidge right now there's one
called bail which aren't taking clients

1317
01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:59,199
there's BDO which got bought out by M&
So they don't exist anymore. And the

1318
01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:06,560
manager that's at MNP is actually the
one that did the BDO audit before the

1319
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:12,480
PMG. And we're also using MNP for our
new financial system. So yes, we could

1320
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:17,760
use them, but we would have to note in
our financial setting that there is a

1321
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:24,880
little bit of conflict there. So there's
KPMG which unfortunately the the Derek

1322
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:30,159
who you guys saw for many years has
retired and the new gal that took over I

1323
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:34,560
think she got too much put on her
plates. There were several

1324
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:40,320
municipalities that had KPMG and
actually were requested by PPMG to get

1325
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:47,040
extensions with municipal affairs past
the May 1st deadline because of handle

1326
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:51,440
and I know we have quite a few products
they charge fees for stuff that we've

1327
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:55,600
done for 18 years. So
>> it's a good healthy time probably look

1328
01:50:53,440 --> 01:51:03,600
outside the box, right? So there's quite
a few there's a few members of KPMG that

1329
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:08,320
left KPMG three years ago and they went
over to what's called best roast and po.

1330
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:13,840
Now those two partners have actually
retired so they're going to be renaming

1331
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:18,159
the firm but the same three people that
we would be having come back in the fall

1332
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:22,639
would be our audit team that we had
three years ago.

1333
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:26,560
So they're very familiar with us. We're
a very small compared to like Willow

1334
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:31,840
Creek. Willow Creek has actually signed
on to the same company. And it's just a

1335
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:37,040
great year because we're doing so many
things. We're taking our document

1336
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:42,239
storage over to a new system. We're
taking our ERP over to a new system.

1337
01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:46,639
We've got Parks and County Fire that we
just added as well. And we've all had

1338
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:52,719
discussions. They've got a staff of 40
people in Lethbridgeidge and they're

1339
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:58,960
very familiar with um what we call PAP
the public sector county board. So

1340
01:51:56,400 --> 01:52:05,119
they've given us proposal which is about
the same cost as

1341
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:09,360
what came in came
sorry

1342
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:14,480
whatever it is. Um so it's very simpler
but they've also what they're willing to

1343
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:19,040
do is come down and meet with Tamara and
Jody before Tamara retires to say hey

1344
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:25,679
this is what we're going to need from
you at the end 2026 to make sure it is

1345
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:31,440
2026. make sure we have that stuff. So,
they're very willing to work with us and

1346
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:36,159
they're getting involved with the sage
product as well. So, I said they're

1347
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:42,080
going to be helping both creek do it as
well. So, it's been 10 years and what

1348
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:46,480
we'd like to do is enter into a
engagement letter with them to provide

1349
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:51,599
services for us for at least one year.
It's going to be about 32,000 and then

1350
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:55,760
there's $2,000 extra just because we're
going to all these new implementations

1351
01:52:53,599 --> 01:53:00,320
just to help us make sure that there's
um extra check on make sure that when

1352
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:04,960
going from the old system to the new
system that everything is coherent and

1353
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:09,599
that we're compliant. So
>> what was the the firm's name again?

1354
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:14,320
» Right now it's called Best Roast and
Colep,

1355
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:21,000
but it's Barrett. I can't say his last
name. It's very But anyways, he was with

1356
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:21,000
the same audit team.

1357
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:28,400
So they know us very well. They know
what we need and uh it's very hard to

1358
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:33,679
find actually an audit team that would
do what we because like will do their

1359
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:39,280
own financial statements and that
because they have so much time. We

1360
01:53:36,239 --> 01:53:44,239
require auditor to prepare things and
we're also going to new financial

1361
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:49,840
statements in 2027 which which could add
another little wrinkle in there. So his

1362
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:54,159
name is Barrett Beckler Ber
he's going to be the partner and then we

1363
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:59,599
already know the staff they they're
familiar with us and so he's very open

1364
01:53:56,320 --> 01:54:05,360
to he was very excited when we talked to
him about becoming

1365
01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:09,599
our general. So, what I wanted to just
ask you guys is if if you would be

1366
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:15,520
willing to allow us to enter into a
lensurement contract with them to

1367
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:19,679
provide services for the
services for the county for 2026 because

1368
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:25,880
I have to get moving on because of all
these new fees that we're doing. I need

1369
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:25,880
them out here and

1370
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:31,719
» is there any disagreement with what he's
proposing?

1371
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:36,480
Not
>> we're not in a meeting.

1372
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:40,159
» Okay.
We said

1373
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:43,440
» yes.
>> Yeah.

1374
01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:48,639
» Yeah. What I need your permission though
is to enter a contract and make

1375
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:54,719
» Yeah. Early what we're looking for is
some input on what you think the process

1376
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:57,920
should be. Uh he wants the contract one
year. you said,

1377
01:54:55,360 --> 01:55:00,880
» "Yeah, just we're if we go any further,
we're going to have to go to tender."

1378
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:06,000
And like I say, there's not there's not
too many options out there. And why

1379
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:09,520
would we waste your time?
>> That's my one thing is how much do we

1380
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:12,639
have to let other firms know that we're
going out?

1381
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:16,000
» No, as long as we're under the 70,000.
>> Yeah, Willow Creek's doing this.

1382
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:20,520
» Will Creek's following the same I'm
following the same procedure that will

1383
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,520
creek.

1384
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:27,040
» I I think these guys will do the job. I
met with Barrett Barrett, someone that's

1385
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:28,320
been out here many times, talked uh for
us.

1386
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:31,119
» Yeah.
>> And pretty good.

1387
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:33,840
» He's the partner now. He's just gone
from being the senior manager to

1388
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:39,239
partner.
>> I I can give you my opinion on where not

1389
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:39,239
to go.

1390
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:49,199
» Uh MNP owes me $365 right now that they
refused to give me from several years

1391
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:56,280
ago. When I when I when I uh changed uh
accounting firms, they didn't give it to

1392
01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:56,280
me. They they MNP

1393
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:07,119
» Can we wait till July?
>> Yes. But

1394
01:56:05,599 --> 01:56:10,920
» I just really wanted council to
>> No. And that's why

1395
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:15,920
» Yeah.
>> Is there a discussion in council with

1396
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:20,880
church?
>> Yeah. Is there a reason that I can go

1397
01:56:19,599 --> 01:56:25,119
into discuss because it's going to take
me two weeks to get an engagement letter

1398
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:28,719
anyways. But I would like to know if can
I proceed.

1399
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:31,840
» Well, you proceed with what you think
and we'll take talk.

1400
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:36,599
» So I'll get his engagement ready better
for ready for us then if that's the

1401
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,800
for.

1402
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:51,119
A lot of the don't handle PAC though the
public center accounting so they need to

1403
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:55,840
know it's a totally different ball game
than your normal tax that's the problem

1404
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:59,280
but yeah but we're
>> yeah so I yeah

1405
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:03,520
» I don't mind doing for year but I think
at some time we need to do a 10 year

1406
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:08,719
agreement
agreement would be one year but you'd be

1407
01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:13,280
looking at a five and then we could
revisit

1408
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:16,320
with all new stuff coming on board. I
think we need I need an auditor now kind

1409
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:20,320
of thing and I think they're fitting
their profile and they're willing to

1410
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:23,679
help us get the ERP on, you know,
getting the fire department make sure

1411
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:26,400
they're put into correctly and stuff.
So, I hear what you're saying as well.

1412
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:31,760
So,
>> we'll put something together for the

1413
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:37,119
16th or the July, whatever it is.
>> I think the time has come for sure to

1414
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:44,119
explore these better options.
>> Yeah.

1415
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:44,119
» Yeah. No question about it.

1416
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:55,119
» So with the motion that we' made
previously to stay with

1417
01:57:52,880 --> 01:58:01,760
» it's only for one
>> and when does that expire

1418
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:04,960
» this October was only for 2025 services.
>> So we don't have anybody set for this

1419
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:09,119
year at this moment.
>> Well you can carry on. I thought that

1420
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:13,480
our one that had been here would have
made that motion for the next year

1421
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:22,520
» that the services of December ending
December 31st 2025.

1422
01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:29,599
So we just in October we just appoint
the auditor every year.

1423
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:34,159
» Well, that's what I'm saying. Our last
time they were here would we not have

1424
01:58:31,679 --> 01:58:38,239
appointed for the next year? No, no,
they were just reporting to you guys

1425
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:41,520
their December. They were finishing
their December 31st meeting

1426
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:44,080
» October. They we appointed them as a
they were then they did the audit for

1427
01:58:43,119 --> 01:58:47,840
December.
>> So then they presented usually it's in

1428
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:50,719
March, but this year was April. Then
they're done.

1429
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:55,560
» So we've left ourselves wide open
without an audit then at this moment.

1430
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:04,080
» Okay, we got to get in here. So prepare
your stuff.

1431
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:04,080
» Thank you, Michael.

1432
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:15,520
All right, we're ready to open our lead.
No break there.

1433
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:19,119
» Ready to reconvene our council meeting.
>> We welcome

1434
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:22,960
intricacies.
>> We welcome Tim Romano who's the

1435
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:27,679
executive director of the Milk River
Watershed Council

1436
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:32,239
and uh Murray reached out to you. Tim,
at our last meeting, we were talking a

1437
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:36,480
little bit about irrigation that was
happening on the Milk River, but you got

1438
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:41,520
a whole lot more information you can
share above and beyond that, right? You

1439
01:59:40,080 --> 01:59:46,880
know, everything about the flow of the
Milk River and the rules that govern how

1440
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:51,040
water is shared between the two
countries, that kind of thing. So,

1441
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:58,520
welcome.
And I'm have a question for you.

1442
01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:58,520
» Sounds good. Thanks for thanks for

1443
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,360
» Sorry. Is that better? Perfect. Uh,
thanks for inviting me in, Murray. I was

1444
02:00:05,199 --> 02:00:10,320
uh I think I told Roger at AGM I said,
"Yeah, I got to get in anyways and and

1445
02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:13,520
give you guys an update because it's
been a while since I've been in front of

1446
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:16,560
council. I know you guys came last
summer down to that tour in headquarters

1447
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:20,800
and that was about the last time I've
been engaged with guys." So, um, so

1448
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:23,520
yeah, I'm just I'm Roger's already seen
half this so I was just going to roll

1449
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:27,199
through a few slides. You know who we
are. We're one of the 11 wershed

1450
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:32,239
councils in the province. Um we're
partially funded by Albert Environment.

1451
02:00:29,599 --> 02:00:36,159
Um and uh there's yeah there's 11 of us.
Uh I think you border with with Old Man

1452
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:40,719
Wersh Council as well. We work a little
bit differently. We're we uh charable

1453
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:44,239
society and we we do sound science but
also do a lot of stewardship working

1454
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:49,040
directly with producers um through part
of throughout your county and for along

1455
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:52,560
the border. Um we're trans boundary.
This is really important part of our

1456
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:56,960
piece again working at the head and the
hip with our folks in Montana on water

1457
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:00,639
issues but not only water but also
wildlife and other all kinds of

1458
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:04,000
transboundary issues. Um and in
Saskatchewan we work with a group called

1459
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:09,119
the South of Divide Conservation
Partnership and they're they've um

1460
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:12,639
they're they're uh they've also focused
mostly on grass and working with

1461
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:16,719
ranchers and producers. They've they've
they're involved with a lot of the PFR

1462
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:21,920
pastors that have pro uh transferred
over the province over in the last

1463
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:27,520
decade here too as well. Um yeah, thanks
again for uh letting uh uh Roger uh sit

1464
02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:32,800
sit with us as an alternate for
municipal reps. Uh we got a pretty

1465
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:39,040
diverse board. Um at the last AGM in May
here, uh Ross Ford stepped up on the

1466
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:42,960
executive uh from County Warner and uh
and we had a bit of turnover actually.

1467
02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:46,639
We've got a few a few producers that
have stepped back now and and uh we're

1468
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:50,880
we're in a big transition here actually
this next couple years.

1469
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:55,040
Um so we kind of got four roles that
convenor collaborator stuff that pulling

1470
02:01:52,639 --> 02:02:02,080
people together uh monitoring reporting
across the wershed both water uh water

1471
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:06,719
quality water quantity stuff um uh uh
policy and planning. We've done things

1472
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:11,280
with uh most recently with county of
Warner and town of Milk River for a

1473
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:15,679
water shortage contingency plan after
the 2020 break. And uh we're willing to

1474
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:19,040
work with other municipal councils if
there's any other policy or planning

1475
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:23,599
needs you need. Um and then of course
education and literacy outreach stuff

1476
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:28,000
has really been kind of our core things.
um both internally making sure that you

1477
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:31,280
know farm kids and kids from these small
towns realize there's opportunities in

1478
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:34,880
their own backyard and they've got
advantages of being here if they want to

1479
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:39,440
stay in sustainable agriculture and
environmental sciences any of that kind

1480
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:42,960
of things. um but also telling our story
across the province that we're kind of

1481
02:02:41,199 --> 02:02:47,199
we kind of get forgotten down south and
and there's a lot of good news things

1482
02:02:44,639 --> 02:02:51,199
that are happening and and um and like
things like species at risk issues are

1483
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:56,080
here because producers have done a good
job for so long in terms of stirring the

1484
02:02:53,360 --> 02:03:00,080
land. So we do a lot of that. Um this we
have a mandate and rules document with

1485
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:04,159
with agreement with Alberta environment
and it's right it's under review right

1486
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:08,000
now and it's uh really important for me
to get around to stakeholders like

1487
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:13,760
municipal councils and others to talk
about what we do and how we can be more

1488
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:17,520
supportive if necessary to kind of maybe
reduce some of that provincial download

1489
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:21,920
that's happening and if there's any
other opportunities for us to to

1490
02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:27,520
continue to expand our role then uh just
let me know. Um, yeah, lot we ton of

1491
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:30,400
stewardship work last year. I got I
can't thank you guys enough for the

1492
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:35,760
support on things like our youth range
days program. This is we're we're we've

1493
02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:41,599
had over 250 kids come through that
program since uh since 2007 I think 2008

1494
02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:44,960
actually maybe it was when I was still
with the county actually. It was one of

1495
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:50,880
our core programs that we that we
started. Um and uh yeah, last year I was

1496
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:55,280
in Kimble and and Tom's backyard and now
this year we're back to uh County

1497
02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:58,320
Warner's hosting and we're out at Rand
Stone. There's it's almost full. There's

1498
02:03:56,639 --> 02:04:01,599
a few there's quite a few kids actually
coming from the Cardson area this year,

1499
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:05,679
but uh almost full, but there is a few
spots left. If anybody's interested,

1500
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:10,400
just let me know. Um research and
monitoring. This past year, we did or we

1501
02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:15,040
hit 20 years of water quality monitoring
on the river. And again, I can't thank

1502
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:18,719
uh well, not Rod anymore, but Steven uh
for his continued support on that.

1503
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:25,119
They've been doing some grab samples for
us. We're basically um working with the

1504
02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:28,719
counties. We've got about 10 $15,000 of
analytical expenses that goes into this

1505
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:34,960
water quality monitoring work and it's
about 120 to $150,000 project. like it's

1506
02:04:33,119 --> 02:04:39,840
the amount of support that we get to
pull it together and the quality of of

1507
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:44,800
data um helps us tell the story of the
river a lot better. And it also helps me

1508
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:48,960
when I need to go and try to say get
some funding for offstream watering or

1509
02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:52,800
fencing projects or things for
producers, I I've got the base case to

1510
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:56,639
justify why we're doing and and what
direction what we're heading with with

1511
02:04:54,239 --> 02:05:03,360
improvements. Um, yeah, a number of
stuff. We've done a bunch of stuff from

1512
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:08,239
bats to frogs, uh, to little fish. Um,
uh, health assessment work. This one

1513
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:13,119
kind of fits into an interesting story.
We're we're about to head from about 600

1514
02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:17,119
cfs being diverted from that St. Mary
system to 850. So, if you add a third

1515
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:20,800
more water in the river at any given
time, what does that do to riparian

1516
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:24,480
areas that are adjacent to the river?
And what does that do to municipal

1517
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:30,239
infrastructure? What does it do? Like
bridges. And

1518
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:35,920
so under the treaty, they could always
take 850. The way the prism of the canal

1519
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:41,119
is right now, they can't do it. But
we're probably three, four, five years

1520
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:46,000
out from the rest of everything else
being completed. And that crappy canal

1521
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:53,040
that you guys bounced down the road to
see um is likely to be fully uh lined

1522
02:05:49,599 --> 02:05:57,040
and re uh rec rehabilitated in the next
few years and when it does they'll be

1523
02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:02,239
able to take their full treaty amount.
So that has a big impact and it's not

1524
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:07,920
being talked about much right now.
>> That raises the flow

1525
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:12,480
» base flow. Yeah. So again like May end
of May here almost five inches of rain

1526
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:16,800
by Delbonita you put that water on top
of a full canal or full channel on the

1527
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:21,360
river I was up already.
>> Yeah. So and we've got we've done we

1528
02:06:20,159 --> 02:06:25,679
actually was before my time was still
with the county but um back in 2008 they

1529
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:30,159
did a sedimentation erosion study and
they looked at um there's basically

1530
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:33,760
there's really only two distinct reaches
of the Milk River. is that cobble gravel

1531
02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:38,400
bottom reach that goes from the north
fork down to probably about riding on

1532
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:42,159
Stone Provincial Park and then it turns
to a sand bed reach on that far area and

1533
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:46,159
then ends up out in the Milk River
Canyon before it hits the eastern

1534
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:49,760
crossing. And in 2008, we looked at the
sedimentation and erosion rates along

1535
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:53,760
the river in different areas and it was
pretty ironic actually. We we started by

1536
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:57,520
surveying producers along the river
about well how much is your bank how

1537
02:06:55,119 --> 02:07:00,960
much of that banker is moving annually
or every couple years or every time

1538
02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:04,960
there's an ice jam what do you lose and
and we started with their estimates on

1539
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:09,199
rates of erosion and where the river was
going and then we brought some engineers

1540
02:07:07,599 --> 02:07:14,719
out that actually did profiles and and
and all the geography and geology and

1541
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:17,920
and everything on the river and um the
the producer estimates were almost bang

1542
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:22,159
on to what the scientists came up with
basically but we now have we've got some

1543
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:28,239
pretty strong data that shows and we
model that out. What happens if it's it

1544
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:34,400
stays at 600 or 650? What happens if
it's 8 800 850? What happens if it's

1545
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:38,639
1,000 or 1,200? And um it's pretty wild.
We're going to see a lot of we're likely

1546
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:44,000
to see and again these were only
different profiles. Um but we're likely

1547
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:48,719
to see that eras rate of erosion
accelerate and the river channel

1548
02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:52,719
strengthen or strengthen straighten so
much. So you've got a lot more energy

1549
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:59,280
that's going straight down instead of
being dissipated for a nice nice short

1550
02:07:54,639 --> 02:08:05,520
meander. So um big changes are coming
and it's important for us where we are

1551
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:10,079
as a WPAC to help uh make sure that
there's sound science behind this. It's

1552
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:13,599
not forgotten by the IGC or the province
or anybody else. and if there's

1553
02:08:12,239 --> 02:08:18,639
opportunities for us to find some
solutions and be able to make sure that

1554
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:23,520
you Cson County knows that well you've
got three bridge decks that are roughly

1555
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:28,320
are going to be in rough shape. It's
good to discuss this right now about

1556
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:32,159
what you're going to do if if there's
three five $6 million worth of

1557
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:36,560
mitigation that's going to have to go in
place to either replace or update or

1558
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:39,920
upgrade or anything that kind of stuff.
Uh and who's who's going to be stuck

1559
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:46,239
with the bill? There's there's
provisions in the treaty from 1909 that

1560
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:50,000
says that the IGC um has to pay the
federal both federal governments are

1561
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:54,800
supposed to be paying for mitigation
based on changes in water management.

1562
02:08:52,719 --> 02:09:00,480
It's very loosey goosey the way it was
written and it's never been tried and

1563
02:08:57,199 --> 02:09:05,520
never and accessed. But if I'm able to
identify there's $250 million worth of

1564
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:10,560
infrastructure from private stuff from
producers right on the river to

1565
02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:16,079
irrigation pump sites to
municipal bridge decks, crossings, uh

1566
02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:20,079
any of that kind of stuff, then that's a
that's a real world conversation we need

1567
02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:25,360
to have right away before that's in
place and that. So so there's some stuff

1568
02:09:22,719 --> 02:09:27,599
happening that's important. Um and yeah,
through the research and monitoring

1569
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:31,040
team, this is how we accomplish a lot of
this stuff. We've also been looking,

1570
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:35,520
it's kind of cool, for better or worse
with the diversion failure last few

1571
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:39,679
years. Um, uh, you can use what's called
like it's like DNA testing from water.

1572
02:09:38,239 --> 02:09:42,560
It's a isotope work. So, it looks at the
radioisotopes of the water. You need to

1573
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:46,400
actually figure out like what the
recharge rates, what's the sources of

1574
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:50,719
groundwater inputs coming into the river
coming from. Is it local stuff that's

1575
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:53,840
just Whiskey Valley aquifer or is this
is this dinosaur water that's coming

1576
02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:59,760
from below the Sweetg Grass Hills kind
of thing. And um and uh so we did a

1577
02:09:57,360 --> 02:10:04,400
whole pile of opportunistic testing of
those groundwater up swells across the

1578
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:08,159
river right from uh west of Delanita to
to the eastern crossing last year and

1579
02:10:06,239 --> 02:10:10,800
we're working with the UFC on on some of
that work. I don't have the reports yet,

1580
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:14,560
but it sounds like it's
>> the eastern crossing right where right

1581
02:10:12,639 --> 02:10:17,280
on the border where it drives Montana.
That's the only cross.

1582
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:19,679
» Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's where the
river well it kind of well right by I

1583
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:25,520
don't know if you know where the
rooster's comb is like in the back of

1584
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:29,280
the of the uh oh shoot of the p like not
the pinhorn but kind of the natural area

1585
02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:31,760
anyways. Yeah
>> where it drops in.

1586
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:35,440
» Yeah the canyon the river kind of does a
little oop like this and then back up

1587
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:38,719
for a little ways and then back down
completely

1588
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:42,560
» natural area. Yeah. And the and there's
the water really important to the story

1589
02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:48,079
is the what they call the eastern
crossing uh monitoring site where we we

1590
02:10:45,679 --> 02:10:52,560
where they measure water flows. And
that's where we using a pretty

1591
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:57,360
complicated
channel loss and game model. They figure

1592
02:10:54,719 --> 02:11:01,119
out what the if we're allowing enough
water go to Montana to meet treaty

1593
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:05,840
demands and things like that. So um and
it's just on the US side. So our our the

1594
02:11:03,679 --> 02:11:07,840
Canadian and the US crew kind of bounce
back and forth every couple weeks to

1595
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:12,079
monitor that.
>> It's measured right there. Eh.

1596
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:16,719
» Yeah. The problem it's because it's that
sand bed reach, the channel moves so

1597
02:11:14,079 --> 02:11:20,880
much. So if you have just a bubbler and
you have one profile on the channel, um

1598
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:24,719
you might be overestimating or
underestimating what the water flow is

1599
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:29,679
at any given time. And yeah, I I really
don't like it because when we get to

1600
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:35,199
this these low years like this year, um
it it's very difficult to make these

1601
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:38,560
water engineer guys are they you know
they think of everything like a pipe and

1602
02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:42,000
they know exactly what the volume is and
the reality is that I'm dealing with a

1603
02:11:40,159 --> 02:11:46,320
real world situation with a river for
280 km and there's lots of channel

1604
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:50,560
losses and gains and so when you get to
that eastern crossing it gets tricky and

1605
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:55,119
this year has been a good example of it.
So, but yeah, outside of that stuff, um,

1606
02:11:53,599 --> 02:11:58,320
little fish big stewardship just wrapped
up. This was a three-year project

1607
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:03,280
looking at some of the species at risk
in the river and, uh, we did lots of

1608
02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:05,440
science and kind of found a lot more of
them. They're a lot more resilient than

1609
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:10,000
we thought they were when the rivers are
flow flows low. But the other side of it

1610
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:14,400
is we worked with producers and um I
believe it was almost $600,000 worth of

1611
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:19,520
projects that we've done with producers
in the last three years from watering

1612
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:22,719
system fencing. Uh all our not all but a
pile of our irrigators got these river

1613
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:28,000
screen systems. So they went from a
traditional pit pit um to a to a

1614
02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:32,480
floating intake that that doesn't any
vortex so you're not pulling out um

1615
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:36,000
floating egg mass masses from fish or
anything like that. So, um, so yeah,

1616
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:39,199
this was a really big one that just
wrapped up.

1617
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:44,560
» Are you sure you're probably measuring
the water coming out of the pipe bud?

1618
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:48,880
They know what that is and you're
measuring what goes back in. You're

1619
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:52,000
coming up with the some type of
difference.

1620
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:57,920
» Yeah. So, and this year it's been pretty
wild. Um, usually channel losses are

1621
02:12:55,840 --> 02:13:01,599
like you get into that like lost river
valley and stuff out far in the farther

1622
02:12:59,679 --> 02:13:05,520
eastern end of the wershed and weird
stuff happens that we we have a a lot of

1623
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:10,800
water gets lost the groundwater and kind
of goes down a different old historical

1624
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:14,719
geograph uh channel and and and um so
usually we'd see like losses around like

1625
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:19,119
1 to one and a half cubic meters per
second which when you've got 18 to 20

1626
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:22,239
cubic meters in the river it's
significant but it's not super

1627
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:27,280
significant.
um when you've only got four or five and

1628
02:13:24,880 --> 02:13:31,040
we're only entitled to 25% of that water
to begin with, then we're threading the

1629
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:35,280
needle and we're trying to really figure
out exactly how much is there. This year

1630
02:13:33,199 --> 02:13:40,960
though, after after two years of being
almost dry for the full seasons, um this

1631
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:45,920
spring, April, May, June, uh beginning
of June anyways, um we're seeing like

1632
02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:49,199
two or three cubic meters being lost in
the channel and there's no that was

1633
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:53,840
before you you take into consideration
evaporative losses and everything else.

1634
02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:57,520
And there was no irrigation withdrawal.
There was no other weird stuff happening

1635
02:13:55,599 --> 02:14:01,679
in the waterershed. And so just when we
think we got it kind of figured out,

1636
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:05,119
it's like it's not quite right. And this
four or five year multi-year drought

1637
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:09,440
that we're in in that part of the world
is definitely showing a major depletion

1638
02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:11,119
in some of our groundwater resources
too.

1639
02:14:09,679 --> 02:14:15,199
» It's flowing and all a sudden it's
leaving.

1640
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:20,320
» Yeah. Yeah. It's just wild. Um Yeah. So,
but yeah, we've doing guys from uh out

1641
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:23,599
west of Delvanita. There's a pilot of
guys that have done these watering

1642
02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:27,199
systems with us. Razor grazers has been
a big thing. Using those portable

1643
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:31,280
electric fencers has been really slick
practice. it um and we've been able to

1644
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:35,360
cost share on those with producers at
least 50/50 the last few years. So, it's

1645
02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:40,079
been a really good program to have uh
transboundary stuff. Again, we we b back

1646
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:45,040
back in November, we hosted a workshop
with um land managers from Saskatchewan,

1647
02:14:42,719 --> 02:14:49,920
Montana, and Alberta. It's kind of it's
a rotating thing that happens across the

1648
02:14:46,639 --> 02:14:55,599
three jurisdictions. Um but really puts
a puts a spotlight on the good work that

1649
02:14:51,840 --> 02:15:01,040
we're doing up here. Um yeah, skip
ahead. Water supply management. be uh

1650
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:08,960
just wrapping up a WRP grant uh with the
province to do metering. So

1651
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:13,920
uh for about 10 years there was a remote
metering project that happened on the

1652
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:18,800
Milk River where every producer had a it
was like a million-dollar project. every

1653
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:26,239
producer had a a meter installed on on
their pivots or or uh pumping systems

1654
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:31,920
and um data was collected to develop uh
basically a long-term trend model of how

1655
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:37,199
much so they could basically have a a ve
hope a very accurate at the time

1656
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:40,960
estimate of their consumptive water use
and uh that program ended the province

1657
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:45,280
Alberta agriculture pulled the money out
of that about 10 years ago now and but

1658
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:49,119
they've been using that same data that
was collected for what they call the

1659
02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:52,960
Patterson numbers uh for estimating a
water water use. Irrigation practices

1660
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:56,960
doesn't matter where you are have
changed from even 10 years ago

1661
02:15:54,880 --> 02:16:02,719
especially down our way. We've gone from
a lot of permanent forages to way more

1662
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:06,880
cultivation cereals. There's some
extended rotations and some especially

1663
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:13,520
crops going in there now that hadn't
before. Um, and these Patterson numbers

1664
02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:18,000
which work fine in a regular year allows
us to balance along. We don't exceed

1665
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:22,159
their the estimated water consumption.
It looks pretty close to reality. The

1666
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:27,520
last few years we've basically since
2020 when the first diversion failures

1667
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:30,880
were happening. Um, we recognized that
it was underestimating the early spring

1668
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:35,280
amount of water we're using because guys
were putting in purposely putting in

1669
02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:40,160
early early early crops that they can
get off early in case there was water

1670
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:44,399
problems. in July, August, September.
Um, and maybe not taking last few years

1671
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:49,040
anyways, not taking as many risks with
with with some of the specialties that

1672
02:16:46,880 --> 02:16:54,559
are pretty water intensive. And there's
less forages on the landscape as well,

1673
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:59,200
too. Um, so instead of guys trying to
water for three hay crops, they're

1674
02:16:56,960 --> 02:17:04,719
watering early on to to get ahead of a
dry spring or dry summer and then, you

1675
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:10,319
know, the canola's off early mid August,
whatever it ends up being. um and uh and

1676
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:14,160
they're and they're just not using as
much water. These Patterson numbers are

1677
02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:18,000
showing less water in the spring because
you don't really need it early early on

1678
02:17:15,599 --> 02:17:21,760
for crop for hay crops and then a big
bump in July and August and that's not

1679
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:25,840
what we're seeing anymore. And July and
August is when we're under the

1680
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:29,920
microscope and we need to be using less
water and it's reporting that we're

1681
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:33,120
using too much. So our guys are getting
cut off. the last couple years when we

1682
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:37,280
ran the numbers, they were cut off
probably two or three weeks earlier than

1683
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:41,439
they should have been um for what we're
actually physically were pulling from

1684
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:47,439
the river. So last year we got a grant
to actually go in. We've got about 81%

1685
02:17:44,559 --> 02:17:51,439
of the acres I think now um are fully
metered with automated systems and we

1686
02:17:49,599 --> 02:17:57,120
didn't just put in a meter. A lot of
cases we put control boxes in that and

1687
02:17:54,000 --> 02:18:02,319
and uh field mapping software that gives
them way more tools for for managing

1688
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:06,559
their irrigation and going variable
rate, you know, like uh you know

1689
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:11,359
different sensors, brake sensors,
everything like that. So um so they're

1690
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:16,960
saving water. We're saving probably um
about 8% of the of the water uh but

1691
02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:20,960
through conservation improvements and
energy which is great on their end too

1692
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:27,280
cuz costs a lot for everything right
now. Um but also we've we're getting

1693
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:32,000
compliance of 80 to 90% of the acres. So
I've got real-time numbers now um every

1694
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:36,160
two weeks that tells me what our water
use was. And these guys are getting

1695
02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:38,960
pretty good at answering their email and
telling me what their expected water

1696
02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:43,760
consumption is for the next two weeks.
So, so we're getting good forecasting

1697
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:48,000
information. Um, this was a song and
dance. We did we got a $200,000 grant

1698
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:52,639
for it and with the producers
contribution to it, it was easily a

1699
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:56,719
$400,000 project. And it's something
that's going to save them a lot. But it

1700
02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:59,679
looked pretty bad this spring when they
really didn't we got everything

1701
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:04,240
installed and everybody trained up on it
and 5 days into the season we had a

1702
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:07,519
cease order. So,
um, and I mentioned this earlier, we're

1703
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:12,719
we're at least in year five of a
significant drought. when you look at

1704
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:17,519
historical stuff, um it scares the crap
out of everybody because there is some

1705
02:19:14,080 --> 02:19:22,000
like very long periods of of no water.
Um this is from David Sash's work. This

1706
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:27,359
is looking at like tree ring data um
that he helped to rec reconstruct some

1707
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:31,439
of the climate data right back
and and I and I know you guys had

1708
02:19:29,359 --> 02:19:36,399
questions about how the aortionment
works. So on the on the Milk River

1709
02:19:33,599 --> 02:19:42,880
itself, my producers, everybody wa East
is only able to use 25% of that natural

1710
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:48,559
flow. So that Montana water that's
diverted is 100% Montana water. It goes

1711
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:54,560
for So we've got about 8,600 acres
licensed on the water shed in in Alberta

1712
02:19:51,760 --> 02:20:00,800
in the Milk River. There's about 105,000
acres on the Montana side that's

1713
02:19:56,800 --> 02:20:05,359
directly the beneficiary of this water.
So, and then the opposite happens on the

1714
02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:11,439
St. Mary's. Again, there's 75% of the
flow is entitled to Canada and only 25%

1715
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:15,840
to to the Americans. Um, and now with
their, like I said, with their canel and

1716
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:21,920
uh the diversion and the siphons all
being uh upgraded, uh those dry years up

1717
02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:27,120
here, you know, the St. Mary's
Irrigation District is a beneficiary of

1718
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:32,479
anywhere between 30 to 100,000 acre feet
of water every year that's unaccounted

1719
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:39,280
for. that ends up into the into the dam
and um way the modeling is working out

1720
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:44,160
about 25% of the years where they were
benefiting in the past they won't moving

1721
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:47,479
into the future. So water is getting
tighter everywhere.

1722
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:54,960
Um
yeah and I know you wanted to know what

1723
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:58,000
what happened this spring. So everybody
you probably heard the province was

1724
02:20:56,399 --> 02:21:02,080
giving glowing saying that the
headarters look good. we shouldn't have

1725
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:05,280
any issues. Didn't didn't you walk you
drive through all the districts in

1726
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:09,600
district storage on the Canadian side
here, all the reservoirs were in pretty

1727
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:14,080
good shape going into the spring. Uh the
problem was low elevation. There was

1728
02:21:11,359 --> 02:21:18,640
virtually no snow and we we saw it. We
know it. Um our producers were working

1729
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:23,120
with up on the ridge, you know, hardly
anybody had any runoff in the dugouts.

1730
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:27,520
Uh same thing happened in in in north in
north central Montana. There were just

1731
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:31,520
was no there was no snow. Beaver dams up
on the upper part of the s of the milk

1732
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:35,359
river that usually have water in them
every year were totally dry going into

1733
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:39,760
the winter and never got any water all
winter. Um so I was chicken little in

1734
02:21:38,479 --> 02:21:45,600
January and February saying this is
looking bad, this is really looking bad

1735
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:51,040
and then I had a few of my colleagues
tell me that the St. Mary's is in good

1736
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:55,840
shape um with the Halls was on
schedule for diver for all the repairs

1737
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:59,760
and that likely that the Americans were
going to be able to use more than their

1738
02:21:57,439 --> 02:22:03,680
entitlement of the St. Mary's water
early in the spring. So up till May 15th

1739
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:08,880
they can take they can take another
4,000 acre feet of water um uh than

1740
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:13,200
they're entitled to. So more than their
25% if the conditions work out and then

1741
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:18,399
that water has to be repaid to the
Canadian Milk River irrigators.

1742
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:22,479
Unfortunately, with the conditions that
we had all winter, they actually had the

1743
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:27,520
drop water out of Sherburn Dam in
December. The river came up quite a bit

1744
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:31,040
here. We had some ice jamming and um
they're they were in really good

1745
02:22:29,439 --> 02:22:36,319
condition in terms of full supply levels
on their dams on Sherburn. And with the

1746
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:40,640
snow pack above, they told the Canadians
in early May that we're not going to be

1747
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:48,479
able to develop a def deficit because we
got more than enough American water. And

1748
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:53,600
sorry you guys are so and um
so that so instead of us thinking that

1749
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:58,479
we're going to have about a 4,000 acre
foot buffer plus the spring freshet if

1750
02:22:55,840 --> 02:23:04,800
the rains came in April or May we had
none of that. And um when you look back

1751
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:09,520
at the 2025 data, this the south fork of
the Milk River, the main stem milk river

1752
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:14,880
was the lowest water volume in a full
calendar year that had gone through in

1753
02:23:11,439 --> 02:23:19,200
100 years of recorded data. So that that
drought shadow that we're under was

1754
02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:25,280
still looking really bad this spring and
no additional freshet, no water really

1755
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:29,600
ran through. We're in tough shape. Um
our flows were sitting around 2 cubic

1756
02:23:27,359 --> 02:23:33,760
meters per second early May.
and uh we it wasn't enough to do

1757
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:38,319
anything. Cold temperatures, we didn't
use any water at all for irrigators

1758
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:43,040
until probably around May 1st. Um the
nighttime temperatures were were a

1759
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:48,560
little bit warmer and uh May 5th we hit
zero flow on the Bel River. First time

1760
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:53,040
ever in that early in the season. So So
cation order went in place from the IGC.

1761
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:58,479
They got together and I got to give it
to Grant Hunter and Alberta Environment

1762
02:23:56,479 --> 02:24:06,160
really went to bat for our guys. They
tried to um uh they tried to get uh the

1763
02:24:03,359 --> 02:24:10,399
Americans to move Canadian licensed
water through the St. Mary's to give us

1764
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:13,920
a buffer and that we repay that water at
the end of the season uh up to about

1765
02:24:12,319 --> 02:24:18,720
5,000 acre feet which would have been
enough to bump along our ears at about

1766
02:24:16,319 --> 02:24:24,399
80% of what they'd usually get.
um the Americans refused to enter it and

1767
02:24:22,399 --> 02:24:32,560
our IGC commissioner commissioner from
Canada did not support it. He's from

1768
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:36,120
Eric C. Just going to say that. Um so so
cessation order.

1769
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:43,040
» Yeah. And there's up for re a new
appointment. It's it's generally someone

1770
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:47,120
from Water Survey of Canada.
It's important to go to these meetings

1771
02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:53,439
coming up soon and talk about what your
interests are. Um, yeah. So, cease order

1772
02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:58,319
went in place. All my irrigators were
shut off on May 15th. And between May

1773
02:24:55,439 --> 02:25:03,280
10th and May 15th, every single guy ran
throttle up as much as they could and

1774
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:08,240
put as much water onto the land um, for
better or worse. And, uh, and then we

1775
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:14,479
were off. um that huge rain event that
we saw at the end of May um that south

1776
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:20,560
fork of the Milk River went from 1 to 2
cubic meters/s to 20. So it turned into

1777
02:25:17,359 --> 02:25:24,640
a real river that um and that's the same
thing that we saw July 1st in 2020 after

1778
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:30,640
the diversion failure happened as well
too. And in 2020 we got about 2 and 1/2

1779
02:25:27,359 --> 02:25:34,640
weeks of good uh flow ramped water that
allowed our irrigators to bump along

1780
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:37,840
until the middle of July. And this one
here is looking exactly the same. It's

1781
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:43,920
bumped. It's We're I think we're close
to two weeks out now, right? And uh um

1782
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:48,319
we're probably we're still seeing uh
three or four cubic meters in the river

1783
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:52,479
right now, which is enough that our area
has been able to go. The IGC met last

1784
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:55,680
week. I was in on the meetings and
they're going to probably putting a

1785
02:25:53,840 --> 02:26:02,560
ceaseation order again at the end of
this month, so by July 1st.

1786
02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:05,520
Um so our guys are unfortunately are
just up to whatever mother nature is

1787
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:06,800
going to give us the rest way. for the
rest of the year, right?

1788
02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:08,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1789
02:26:07,359 --> 02:26:13,200
» Yeah. So, pumps will probably go silent
on July 1st. Um the one other thing I

1790
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:17,040
wanted to mention that I've been got a
couple calls, there was a niche and

1791
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:23,280
there's a and two other guys have phoned
me now about it. Um last two years

1792
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:26,479
without the much water flowing in the in
the canal there. So, that's the US

1793
02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:29,840
border and that's the canal where the
drop structures are that that that dark

1794
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:34,960
looks like a road, but it's actually a
canal. It's dry. Um, Ralph Creek flows

1795
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:38,800
out of there to the north and you know
it goes down by Taylorville and then

1796
02:26:36,800 --> 02:26:41,200
eventually back out to the St. Mary's
and a lot of guys are complaining

1797
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:44,960
because they're saying why is there no
water in the creek? What the heck's

1798
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:48,080
going on? We heard there was a agreement
in the 60s that they were they turn

1799
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:52,319
they're supposed to turn water out of
the out of the canal to support natural

1800
02:26:50,399 --> 02:26:56,000
flow and all this stuff. There's no
agreement. There is a there is a turnout

1801
02:26:54,399 --> 02:27:01,120
there. It's actually an emergency dry
out turnout thing. It hasn't been open.

1802
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:05,040
Well, the reason why our our guys, our
producers in that area have been

1803
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:09,359
beneficiaries for 100 years is because
that canal is terrible and it seeps so

1804
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:13,280
damn bad. And and this year it's a
little bit better. There's a little bit

1805
02:27:10,560 --> 02:27:16,640
of flow coming down right now. Um and
some of those wetlands and lakes are

1806
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:21,600
came up a bit from the rain, but also a
bit of that. That's it. So, think about

1807
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:26,240
this one again in a couple years when
that canal is fully redone and lined.

1808
02:27:24,080 --> 02:27:30,080
there's not going to be any seepage and
these guys are going to see what it

1809
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:33,120
looked like naturally again, too. So,
um, and there's nothing I I double check

1810
02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:37,520
to see if maybe there was something
missed and there was something in in a

1811
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:40,800
an agreement or a letter or something
that I could pull. There's not there's

1812
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:45,840
no way of me helping out your guys and
there's no way of us getting water from

1813
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:49,040
that. So, um, yeah. So, an emergency
situation, they're going to be the St.

1814
02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:55,280
Mary's is the closest that they'd be
able to pump basically. So,

1815
02:27:53,439 --> 02:27:58,680
um,
yeah. Uh,

1816
02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:04,160
» yeah. Yeah. And, and especially Yeah.
We're just going to be up to whatever

1817
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:08,560
Mother Nature's given us, and there's
not much there. And we got generations

1818
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:13,760
that haven't seen, you know, what that
that system looked like. Um, in August,

1819
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:18,240
I think it's going to be August 4th, but
they haven't sent me an official and

1820
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:21,600
thing yet. The IGC is releasing there's
a St. Mary's Milk River study that's

1821
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:27,760
been going on for 3 years now. It's been
delayed a year. Um, this is going to

1822
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:31,359
model out structural things. So, this
could potentially be a Forks Dam on

1823
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:36,960
that'll be right on near the county
boundary there backing up water uh St.

1824
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:40,479
Mary for the North and South Fork and
the Milk. This could also look at

1825
02:28:38,960 --> 02:28:44,399
administrative changes that in the short
term could actually help our guys out

1826
02:28:41,920 --> 02:28:48,000
quite a bit. If we could move from every
two weeks being a balancing period to an

1827
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:51,520
annual balancing period, then it would
allow us for, you know, this wild

1828
02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:55,040
weather events and everything, we get
credit for it and we wouldn't have to

1829
02:28:52,800 --> 02:28:58,880
balance out the water amounts until
October 31st every year, which would

1830
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:04,160
really on our side of things would
really help a lot. Um,

1831
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:10,080
and yeah, and and yeah, the other issue
is that increasing to 850. I want I want

1832
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:13,120
uh maybe more so with the other counties
farther down the river, but I think even

1833
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:17,520
on the North Fork, you guys really have
to be aware of what's um that impacts

1834
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:21,439
going to look like for your producers
and your infrastructure. Um and then

1835
02:29:20,319 --> 02:29:26,880
yeah, I want to talk more about
mitigation in the future. But yeah,

1836
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:31,439
that's but yeah, I'll make sure that the
Murray gets uh an invite. Roger usually

1837
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:35,600
gets it too from our council updates.
But um but yeah, I think it's important

1838
02:29:33,439 --> 02:29:40,080
that you guys have a few county folks
there. Yeah. Uh 21st of August, we're

1839
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:42,880
going to do another one of those
headquarters tours. If you guys are

1840
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:46,479
interested, I'll make sure you get the
invite early. Um just a bus, same thing,

1841
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:48,479
bus thinger. You can follow.
>> Are all those beaver dams dry? Were

1842
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:51,120
they?
>> Yeah. Now they're dry.

1843
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:54,000
» It's pretty wild. Like there is a little
bit of water in spots.

1844
02:29:52,319 --> 02:29:56,880
» The beaver dams are right off both sides
of the road. You can see.

1845
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:59,280
» And they go for miles. They do go for
miles.

1846
02:29:57,439 --> 02:30:04,319
» Wow.
>> Yeah. I I um I messed up. I apologize.

1847
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:08,000
I'll make sure that this next time I'll
make sure I got someone speaking on both

1848
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:11,840
buses to kind of narrate it if we're
driving. Um that was kind of one thing

1849
02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:18,399
that some guys on the bus didn't like.
Uh and at the sites I I yeah uh Tom Tom

1850
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:23,359
had some really good stories but he was
a little quiet. So um anyways I'll make

1851
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:27,120
sure that it's narrated a little bit
better this time around but it's for

1852
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:31,840
producers and for municipalities mal
reps. So um we'll make sure that gets

1853
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:35,760
out. So,
uh, that's kind of all I had formally. I

1854
02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:39,640
don't know. You won't have a lot of time
for questions, I'm sure. So,

1855
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:49,120
» very
>> or they turn out to it's uh it's still

1856
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:53,280
got about it's supposed to be completed
in the spring of 2027. So, we're we're

1857
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:58,319
it's ahead of schedule. They're doing
really well. Um they shut down

1858
02:30:56,720 --> 02:31:01,120
the diversion dam was the construction
work at the diversion dam was shut down

1859
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:03,520
pretty much all winter because they were
having they were actually fighting

1860
02:31:02,319 --> 02:31:06,960
pretty hard just to keep the ground
water out from the construction site but

1861
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:12,240
now they're above it and everything's
looking really good. Um touchwood you

1862
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:16,479
know the if the old headgates work for
the rest of the season then we're in

1863
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:20,720
good shape. Um but yeah that's that's
coming good. St. the St. Mary's siphon

1864
02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:25,439
itself they still got a bit more
reclamation work do around there. Um the

1865
02:31:23,439 --> 02:31:29,120
Hallscoolie they they were a month ahead
of schedule because the because of the

1866
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:33,200
open winter again this year. Hles
looks really good. Um and Hollie is

1867
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:38,319
another one. It was a bottleneck in the
system as well cuz it was only uh I want

1868
02:31:36,880 --> 02:31:42,960
to say it was only like a 7 foot
diameter siphons the two barrels that

1869
02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:46,720
went through Halls versus the 8ft
diameter siphons up at the at the St.

1870
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:52,000
Mary's. So there was a restriction there
and how much water they could move. um

1871
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:56,399
that's all been sized up to 850 now as
well. Um the biggest concern I have and

1872
02:31:54,560 --> 02:32:00,080
I I think I I should have maybe put this
in here somewhere, but um all this

1873
02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:04,000
construction that's happening like you
saw you guys know what the bloody

1874
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:08,000
napweed looks situation looks like down
there everywhere. Where's that one

1875
02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:12,399
photo? I don't know where it is.
Anyways, um

1876
02:32:10,479 --> 02:32:16,240
uh
all this construction is opened up. you

1877
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:20,960
know that that whole canal road all the
way to drop five which is just above

1878
02:32:18,080 --> 02:32:28,000
your county just just above whiskey gap
um has moved Napede another 20 miles

1879
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:32,880
east than it really was before there was
it always petered out after he got past

1880
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:37,920
Spider Lake and not farther east and uh
and like I went with Rod years ago we we

1881
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:42,160
surveyed up the North Fork and took the
zip the jetboat maybe a little too far

1882
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:45,040
into Montana and around but and and it
was pretty clean on the North Fork

1883
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:48,960
besides you know, it it showed up more
in the Delbanita campground from the odd

1884
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:52,800
guy stopping and along the highway there
was occasionally plant, but napweed, it

1885
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:56,399
was pretty clean and you guys been very
proud of that for a long time. Um, I

1886
02:32:55,280 --> 02:33:00,560
think this is going to change if we're
not real careful and pressure needs to

1887
02:32:58,240 --> 02:33:05,680
be put on their municipal weed guys and
the B at possibly at this meeting coming

1888
02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:09,439
up in August to say make sure you've got
mitigation strategies and it's not just

1889
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:12,720
you're going to have a someone go out
there and spray in August once or twice

1890
02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:16,000
for the next couple years. they really
need to be on top of it. And if we're

1891
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:20,080
not on top of them, they're not going to
be on top of it. So, so I'm I'm actually

1892
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:22,399
looking I might be able to get some
grant funding here in the next little

1893
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:26,479
bit and I'll be working with some of the
egg fieldmen to see if we can do a bit

1894
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:30,880
of monitoring and mitigation and some
drone work if if they don't get shot

1895
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:33,520
down by the border guys. So, but but
yeah, I think we need to watch out for

1896
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:37,359
it. So, it's not that's one
>> increased flow, increased seating along

1897
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:40,560
the banks, right?
>> Yeah. Well, that's just it. More

1898
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:44,240
disturbance areas, right? So, and it's
in and out. So if that early spring and

1899
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:49,200
late fall, you've just got more exposed
bank, it's more time for NAPE to get

1900
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:53,520
established and jump ahead of us. So
>> I think

1901
02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:56,560
» absolutely. Yeah. And no one's talking
about it. And that's that's kind of the

1902
02:33:55,040 --> 02:34:00,399
blind side that's scaring the crap out
of me because it's it wasn't modeled out

1903
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:06,319
in any of the work that they're doing to
look at these these innovations.

1904
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:10,479
So at what point do the uh rate payers
that are along the roof they're

1905
02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:14,960
irrigated at what point do they
like at 8 if they get 850 that are they

1906
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:18,000
going to always be able to have
irrigation?

1907
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:23,359
» No, they're not entitled to it. The only
good thing that it would do is that in a

1908
02:34:20,479 --> 02:34:27,760
drier year when when um when Montana's
in tough shape and they need to move

1909
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:32,000
Canadian water, the extra Canadian
water, there will be more years that

1910
02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:38,319
they will be able to build a deficit
because if they can physically only move

1911
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:43,280
600 cfs of their water and they need 200
or 250 of the Canadian water to move it

1912
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:48,240
over, then then the meter starts with
that with regards to a deficit and that

1913
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:52,000
has to be repaid to Canadian Milk River
irrigators. That's the way it's under

1914
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:55,920
this called this letter of intent. Um
yeah, but that's the only way that it

1915
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:58,800
actually benefits us in any way for our
irrigators on the Canadian side.

1916
02:34:57,439 --> 02:35:01,120
» There's nothing guaranteeing our
>> not a damn thing.

1917
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:04,439
» No,
>> they're going to

1918
02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:13,280
Yeah. So, one interesting thing and
again I went I said that Grant I had to

1919
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:16,080
tip my hat to Grant. Um he convinced
I've never seen this before. He

1920
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:21,040
convinced the St. Mary's irrigation
district to offer that 5,000 acre feet

1921
02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:25,120
of water to be diverted in Montana to
for the Milky Way areas. Olive branch,

1922
02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:28,880
they know they're in good shape up here.
It was a one time only thing. It's not

1923
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:35,439
like this was a open a foot in the door,
but I think it's a foot in the door. And

1924
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:39,840
so, so I'm saying let's say we don't
have $6 or $700 million to build a forks

1925
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:44,160
dam and it's not really going to benefit
us significantly if we don't have zero

1926
02:35:42,640 --> 02:35:49,280
water is zero water. If we just aren't
getting flow flow in the spring, we're

1927
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:54,640
we're in trouble, too. But what if we
could buy some capacity on their canal?

1928
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:57,760
So, right now, they're pretty much maxed
out. Their infrastructure hasn't changed

1929
02:35:56,160 --> 02:36:02,399
down in the Highline in Montana for the
100,000 acres. They really can't.

1930
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:05,680
There's only certain years that they can
really benefit from that extra water,

1931
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:08,960
and it's only at certain periods of
time. We want to mitigate it so that we

1932
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:15,680
don't have 850 in the river all the
time.

1933
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:19,520
What if we bought 100 or 150 cfs of the
capacity on the canal, not using

1934
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:22,720
American water that Trump would not
allow, not be happy about the treaty if

1935
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:26,080
there was any kind of weird stuff
happening there for us taking American

1936
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:30,960
water. But what if we were able to move
Canadian water into the into the milk?

1937
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:35,120
What if we give them $100 million
towards the upgrading of the canal

1938
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:38,800
infrastructure in the next five years
and then and we have a hundred-year

1939
02:36:36,479 --> 02:36:43,120
agreement to take the top capacity of
the canal. And every like, well, that

1940
02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:46,240
sounds great, Tim, but you're pie in the
sky. And how do you where are you going

1941
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:49,200
to license in the water? What if it's
St. Mary's Irriation District Water? We

1942
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:54,880
just went through this water
availability engagement practices red uh

1943
02:36:53,359 --> 02:36:58,880
removing the environmental holdbacks
when license are transferred, all this

1944
02:36:56,240 --> 02:37:02,319
other stuff. What if what if we get into
bed with the St. Mary's Irrigation

1945
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:06,399
District down there and instead of just
expanding the Milk River for private

1946
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:10,800
irrigators, the St. Mary's Irrigation
District um moves water off the Milk

1947
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:15,680
River, say at the old Spite Ditch
location at Milk River, moves north, and

1948
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:20,720
there's a 10 to 15,000 acre expansion
there. It doesn't benefit Cardson County

1949
02:37:18,479 --> 02:37:26,160
much, but it would in terms of there
would be an opportunity for those

1950
02:37:22,720 --> 02:37:32,800
existing licenses to be propped up and
and and that new irrigation expansion in

1951
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:38,160
County Warner like 10,000 bucks an acre
like my god it would be it would do a

1952
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:42,319
lot of interesting stuff. And instead of
those expansions only happening in the

1953
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:46,800
grassy lake on native grassland that
everybody else is kind of upset about,

1954
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:51,600
let's put the expansion on existing
cultivated fields between Milk River and

1955
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:57,040
Warner that don't have salinity issues
that are class 2 three soils. There is

1956
02:37:54,319 --> 02:38:00,160
some really good spots here.
So, and that would be a hell of a lot

1957
02:37:58,479 --> 02:38:04,640
cheaper than building a $600 million
dam. and the militana irrigators would

1958
02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:08,000
be happy because right now they're on
the hook for 80% of the cost of

1959
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:12,479
operating that canal. So if we're giving
this to the Milk River Joint Border

1960
02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:16,720
Control to do the upa updates,
you know, there's some

1961
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:21,600
» Yeah. So this is this is my thing. This
is no official thing by anybody, but I

1962
02:38:19,680 --> 02:38:25,280
think there's some there's things to
think about here and there's a short

1963
02:38:23,439 --> 02:38:28,560
window of time because you guys all know
how this is going to play out. The canal

1964
02:38:26,960 --> 02:38:32,319
is going to have a major break in two
years, maybe three years, maybe this

1965
02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:36,640
summer. and they'll go straight back to
the state and the federal government and

1966
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:41,200
try to get some emergency funding to
reduce the impact on producers

1967
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:47,840
rightfully so and then we don't have
that window opportunity to say Canada

1968
02:38:43,359 --> 02:38:50,399
will come help anyways that's
yeah

1969
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:55,680
» Tim you're a wealth of information on
this topic yeah

1970
02:38:53,359 --> 02:39:01,359
» amazing well thank you for keeping us
posted and uh we got Roger on the

1971
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:05,040
watershed council, right?
>> Yes.

1972
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:08,160
» Ross Ford. He's He's new to that.
>> Ross has been there forever, but he's

1973
02:39:06,720 --> 02:39:10,000
new on my executive. So,
>> executive. Yeah.

1974
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:11,760
» John Ross.
>> John Ross has been

1975
02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:17,319
» there forever.
>> Yeah. He's my He's my chairman.

1976
02:39:13,359 --> 02:39:17,319
» Yeah. Chair Ross.

1977
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:24,960
» Yeah. Well, there's no money for it
right now. They're going to need to

1978
02:39:22,960 --> 02:39:29,439
pretty soon. At least another two have
to be done. Innesota,

1979
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:32,240
» you have your August 21st.
>> Where did you start at?

1980
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:35,040
» We're just going to go down to the
probably the Hooks Hideway again down by

1981
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:38,880
Bab there
>> and we'll park there.

1982
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:42,640
» Apparently I I didn't know but I paid
for a dinner last year for everybody.

1983
02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:46,399
There was a buffet dinner and nobody and
only about 20 people out of the 80 that

1984
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:50,240
came actually stopped stepped inside the
bar to go and eat it. So, and I was

1985
02:39:48,880 --> 02:39:54,800
caught in my pants. I would run back and
pay the bill the next day. But um

1986
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:57,200
anyways, long story short, yeah, we'll
meet there. It'll just be an afternoon

1987
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:59,760
thing, so I'm not worrying about trying
to get people across the border.

1988
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:04,240
» Noon 1.
>> It'll be probably 1:00 and we'll wrap up

1989
02:40:02,240 --> 02:40:08,319
by by 4:00 4:30 or something like that.
>> It's pretty interesting to go see those

1990
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:12,479
drops. Are you telling me that the canal
that feeds those drops, that's the canal

1991
02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:14,319
that's getting rellined?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1992
02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:17,520
» And that goes all the way to the
diversion.

1993
02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:21,840
» Yeah. That goes all the way from that 23
miles. It goes all the way from

1994
02:40:19,439 --> 02:40:24,080
basically from the where the Hallschool or pardon me the St. Mary's

1995
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:28,880
» Yeah.
>> siphon to Halls and then

1996
02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:32,240
Hallschool all the way to to you
know drop five kind of thing. So

1997
02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:35,840
» Wow.
>> Yeah. And this is and it's pretty it's

1998
02:40:34,240 --> 02:40:39,200
cool to see that stuff down there. I I'm
glad that some guys got to see the

1999
02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:44,399
siphons before they pulled them because
like that's pretty wild technology to

2000
02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:48,160
think that guys in 1903 1905
>> surveyed this and figured out how to

2001
02:40:46,319 --> 02:40:51,760
make this work and
>> you know it just and it was a different

2002
02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:56,399
world. Yeah.
>> I wanted to send a picture of the

2003
02:40:53,120 --> 02:41:00,640
blowout with Kyber cuz he
>> We sent him We sent him one. We actually

2004
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:04,399
sent the picture of the blowout and the
picture of him and John Ross standing

2005
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:07,840
together out on the on on the spot. like
he was literally I have a picture of him

2006
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:11,439
standing on top of the same spot that
blew out the following year. So yeah.

2007
02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:13,680
» Yeah.
>> Awesome.

2008
02:41:11,920 --> 02:41:17,080
» So
>> thanks so much.

2009
02:41:24,080 --> 02:41:27,800
» Thank you. Appreciate it.

2010
02:41:29,840 --> 02:41:36,319
Those folks that were talking today, you
can relay. They probably already know

2011
02:41:34,479 --> 02:41:39,720
that they're going to be dry for the
rest of the year.

2012
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:43,800
» It's the way it is.

2013
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:48,760
» Yeah. to the American side.

2014
02:41:56,880 --> 02:42:06,359
» You know, I I've talked to Grant and I
talked to

2015
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:06,359
just, you know, download

2016
02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:16,640
it. There's a lot of
go through but like but you know

2017
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:22,399
you could you pencil that out paying for
itself in 10 years there's no irriation

2018
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:27,760
expansion over that would allow you to
pencil out that same investment return

2019
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:32,479
and the scare you would give us
insulated and other people are they say

2020
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:38,640
well I don't want to go down on the
heritage rangeand because we flood out

2021
02:42:36,080 --> 02:42:42,399
1700 acres of native rangeand and you
know we'll have stuff that produces them

2022
02:42:40,479 --> 02:42:46,240
to display the reason they're there to
get it but this is this is a pretty good

2023
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:50,319
option
it's conversation

2024
02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:57,080
but yeah I encourage everybody comes to
ITC I think it's the fourth I'll make

2025
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:57,080
sure you guys but

2026
02:43:02,800 --> 02:43:05,800
» excellent

2027
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:10,280
answered your questions Americ

2028
02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:30,560
that's talking about. But he did say
that they they were going to put 5,000

2029
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:33,600
in there, but the Americans wouldn't do
it and the Canadian feds wouldn't do it.

2030
02:43:32,319 --> 02:43:41,880
» Oh, the feds wouldn't.
>> Yeah. Wouldn't allow it.

2031
02:43:36,399 --> 02:43:41,880
» Yeah. You will not let the secretary.

2032
02:43:49,439 --> 02:43:58,000
So how do they
how do they help for the

2033
02:43:56,240 --> 02:44:03,920
ground fills up after 2 and 12 inches of
rain in rain

2034
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:09,399
everywhere? How do they help that? That
that's Canadian water.

2035
02:44:06,000 --> 02:44:09,399
» Yeah. So

2036
02:44:09,439 --> 02:44:16,800
» nice.
>> So you said that the irrigated uh May

2037
02:44:15,359 --> 02:44:19,680
1st they were cut off. They weren't
allowed to

2038
02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:23,200
» then they said they extended it. They
allowed them to start doing it again for

2039
02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:28,439
» till then till July 1.
>> July 1st when they're done.

2040
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:28,439
» So they go right now

2041
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:37,520
we can get all this less

2042
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:43,640
what we lots of stock in the head.
>> Absolutely.

2043
02:44:44,560 --> 02:44:47,560
» Yes.

2044
02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:55,040
» I was just looking at everything that we
have written here. I believe we're

2045
02:44:53,520 --> 02:45:01,520
complete.
Uh there was no motions that need to be

2046
02:44:56,880 --> 02:45:04,240
made for anything that I'm aware of.
We're j