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How's your ride?

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Stand

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I buy my 12.
>> I hate my work.

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Yeah, I did see

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I forgot about that building.
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think there was bathroom.

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» Perfect.

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» Yeah, but I'm not going to bring the
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I was just being nice to him for first
year, you know, try to get something

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together. So,

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» [clears throat]
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» I got tired of sitting at the house.

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It becomes bigger.

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at his office.

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» I just want to make sure

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» it
has it own

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I am

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a second.

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I thought

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» Wait a second for our city manager.

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Oh, look at that.

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» Hello.
All right, if everyone can turn on your

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microphone.

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I'd like to welcome everybody to the
Monday, August 10th, city council

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meeting. Roll call. All counselors
except councelor Kelly are present.

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Councelor Kelly is absent this evening.
Would you like to do the invocation?

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» Absolutely, Madam Mayor. Uh if everybody
could please join me and be in the

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attitude of prayer.
We pray for our country at all times

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that all citizens are safe, healthy, and
happy. We pray for wisdom for all those

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who guide and govern. Help this
government body in every situation to

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know and do the things that are right
and just with soundness

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of judgment in making vital decisions.
We pray for the peacemakers that the

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holy lifegiven spirit may ever dwell in
their hearts and the barriers of fear,

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suspicion, and hatred may fall. This we
pray to the holy father. Amen.

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» All right, if you join us for the pledge
of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Item number four is the declaration of
conflict of interest. Is there any

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counselor who would like to declare one
at this time?

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Okay. Item number five is public forum.
And before we start our public forum

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this evening, I just have a couple of
comments to make. One will be that

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public forum is five minutes. So each
person has five minutes to speak. Um the

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other thing I would say is if you're
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just ask you to save your comments for
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eight on the agenda.
So I will open it up for public forum.

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Okay.
>> There's an email for public forum.

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» Yeah.
>> Oh, is there one that is not pertaining

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to the dog? Oh, I'm so sorry. Okay.
>> This one's d This one's dated August

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10th, 2026 to the mayor of Caribou,
Caribou City Councilors, and City

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Manager. There um it's referencing
traffic and safety concerns on Glenn

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Street. Dear mayor, city councilors, and
city manager, my name is Larry Knight

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and I live at 36 Glenn Street in
Caribou. I am writing because I believe

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something needs to be done to address a
serious and growing safety concern on

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Glenn Street. Traffic is traveling down
our street at speeds that are simply too

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fast for a residential neighborhood.
Combined with the number of children,

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pedestrians, bicycles, ebikes, and
scooters using the street, I am very

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concerned that we have an accident
waiting to happen. My specific concerns

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include one, children riding bicycles
and ebikes are frequently traveling at

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high speeds, sometimes in the middle of
the roadway. With some ebikes capable of

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traveling at significant speeds, this
creates a dangerous situation for both

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the children and motorists. Number two,
children riding scooters. Sometimes with

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two or three children on a single
scooter are also traveling at high

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speeds on the street. This creates a
serious risk, particularly when they are

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sharing the roadway with moving
vehicles. Number three, vehicles are

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traveling too fast on a Glenn Street
throughout the day and evening. This is

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not a problem limited to a school
arrival or dismissal times. It occurs

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morning, noon, evening, and at night. I
am not particularly concerned that if

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something is not done, oop, my my
apologies. I am particularly concerned

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that if something is not done,
eventually a child, pedestrian, cyclist,

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or motorist is going to be seriously
injured. Even people simply walking

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along Glenn Street are at risk,
particularly at night when the vehicles

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are traveling at higher speeds and the
visibility is reduced. I understand that

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increased police enforcement will seem
like one possible solution, but I do not

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believe it is reasonable to expect the
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continuously monitor one residential
street. No police department can have

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eyes on this situation 24 hours a day.
And as this problem extends well beyond

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school hours, I respectfully ask the
city to give serious consideration to a

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more permanent traffic calming solution
for Glenn Street. Speed bumps or other

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appropriate traffic calming measures
could help reduce vehicle speeds and

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encourage drivers to recognize that this
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children and pedestrians are frequently
present. I would much rather see the

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city take preventive action now than
wait until a serious accident occurs and

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then ask if they could have done things
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Please give this matter your serious
consideration and consider having the

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appropriate city department review Glen
Street to determine what south traffic

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calming and safety measures may be
appropriate. Thank you for your time for

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taking these concerns under
consideration. Sincerely, Larry Knight,

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36 Glen Street. cure for me.

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» Thank you.
>> Quick question about that, Penny. Um,

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when we built the school, was there some
provision? I thought there was supposed

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to be something put in place like maybe
where the crosswalks were. I thought

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there was some extra measure that was
going to be put in place to slow traffic

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down around the school. Is that am I
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» Maybe we should look back into that
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be something that was put in place. I
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too. They also proposed a one-way
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» Okay.
>> Um to try to slow down traffic. There

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was a lot of conversation around.
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look into that
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and talking about it.
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» Um is there anyone else from the public
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Okay. Um next item on our agenda are
minutes from previous meetings. And we

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have minutes from May 11th, June 15th,
June 29th, and July 20th on our agenda

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this evening. Has everyone had a chance
to look those over? Yes. I'd like to

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make a motion to accept them pending
some adjustments to or some amendments

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to those uh minutes. On page 17,
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on page 17 at the top, it says motion
made by councelor

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Eastston. It should be Watson. Um, page
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it refers to July
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uh, it talks about Chief Lejoy. Uh, and
like halfway down the page, it says he

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explained that he received several
vehicles back. I think it should be bids

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back.
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where am I? 32. Page 34.
Um under council agenda item number

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eight, there was a motion made uh but
there was no vote recorded there. So I'm

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thinking there should be a vote
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uh at the bottom there's a roll call.
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» Could you repeat the last one, please?
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uh there's a roll call that I believe
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for G.
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» Yep.
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second this.
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further discussion?
Baggley.

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» Hi,
>> Nightfair.

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» I
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Okay. Item number seven is bid openings,
awards, and appointments. And this

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evening we have a bid opening for 103
Water Street um the old starch plant

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demolition. That's on page 40 of your
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And Tim is here to talk with us about
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we opened

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or we issued a, uh, RFP for 103 for the
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Last Friday, we opened the bids. Uh, we
received a bid from Sardar Construction

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for 68 thou $68,350.
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to such. That was the low bidder. um
other bids that came in at 141 and then

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350,000.
So we did have three bids on it um from

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different contractors.
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time? I'm sorry.
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» uh and then the final bid was 350.
>> Okay. Okay. What are the wishes or does

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anyone have any questions I guess for
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» so excuse the so the the final bid from
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Serber construction excuse me
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» 68,350
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» I'm just sharing here
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environmental
Riverside, all the all the other

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impacts.
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to need soil and um soil and
sedimentation fencing and stuff. This

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actually falls just outside of a
shoreland zone. Um which should make

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things slightly easier. Um my
understanding when we put the RFP out is

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that environmental studies had already
been done and the site was clear. So

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unless something crops up unexpectedly,
there's not a whole lot there other than

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some concrete and some steel right now.
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» So
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remain up?
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whole area is going to be removed and
then graded at a 2:1 slope. So it'll

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have a downhill slope. I guess my only
concern is the the access for maybe

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maybe kids or passers by to go through
that that location down kind of over

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that that hill.
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when it's final it'll just have a a
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» like a standard down slope.
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» So they can somebody still fall down a
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any other hill.
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So this is at 103 water street, not 7.
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Yeah. After it. So that you were
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» Yeah, I got it. I got it.
>> All the way at the end of the road.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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» So
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comments?
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move to award Solderberg Construction
Company the contract to demolish 103

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Water Street.
>> I second it. Motion and a second. Any

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further discussion?
>> Baggley.

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» I.
>> Nightfair.

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» I.
>> Lovewell.

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» Hi.
>> Smith.

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» Yes.
>> Watson.

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» I.
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» Item number 7B is a facade improvement
grant summer application period

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committee recommendations. Those start
on page 41 of your packet. Has everyone

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had a chance to take a look at those.

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Open up the floor to any discussion.
>> It was a wonderful uh we were able to uh

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or were recommending I should say the
committee is recommending we have uh

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approximately I think 35,000. Is that
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» 35,675
>> as we have this we what we're

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recommending is that we take the 20
because we do 20 in the fall and 20 in

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the spring
that we move we fund all these projects

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and uh uh and and bring that forth. Um
the money's there. It's one of the few

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things we can do um to help with these
with the some there's some good projects

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here if if everybody's looked at it. I
mean, we spent 3 hours

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a week or so ago uh with a great group.
So, I'm just uh I I'll recommend that we

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do that and then we use the 20 that'll
leave us approximately

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and I think Dave Dave was here as well.
So that we uh representing the planning

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board and Craig Staples um good group.
So, uh I'm I'll I will make a motion

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that we uh

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» exactly okay
to allocate 2026 funds for facade

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improvement grant pursuant to the review
committee's recommendation in the amount

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of 35,675.80.

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» I'll second that. We have a motion and a
second. Further discussion.

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» I just want to say that I'm really happy
to see so many applicants. This is a

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really good turnout. So that's
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» I was going to say I think you know
seven applicants and for us to be able

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to help seven projects and it's really
great.

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» We we also a couple of things we could
talk about to bringing the uh we have

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$40,000 a year on on the spring and the
fall

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program.
uh we didn't have anybody or or very few

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in the spring program. So,
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» we we'll bring that forth and and
that'll still leave us around uh

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5,000
uh for the fall, which is going to be

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Ben Ben can speak to that more of that,
but so it's it's a great program. It's

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one of my favorites.
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» so I'll just I'll leave it at that.
>> Further discussion?

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» No. Egley
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» Mike Fair I
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» Smith
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» Watson
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» I motion carries
>> Peter just brought up um the packet from

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the police department is every does
everyone else have a

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» Thank you.
Item number eight is public hearings and

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possible action items. And we do have a
public hearing as you all know on the

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agenda this evening and that is
ordinance six of the 2026 series and it

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is an animal control ordinance. This is
on page 44 of your packet.

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» Mhm.

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» Okay. So, I'm going to go ahead and open
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p.m.

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And Eric, did you want to come up and
just kind of present what you have

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before we open up the floor to comments
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» Sure.

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» Uh, good evening everybody. Uh, members
of the council, um, manager Thompson,

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uh, my name is Eric Sanderson. I'm the
economic and community development

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specialist for the city of Caribou. Um
over the winter and spring months, uh I

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was able to work with the planning board
uh to update these animal control

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standards from about uh a page to um
something a little bit more

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comprehensive um related to animal
welfare unsanitary conditions and noise.

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Um this was looked at in conjunction
with both the planning board and the

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police department as the city's animal
control officers. Um everything drafted

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to date has been for uh public health,
safety, and the welfare of uh caribou

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residents um and their beloved uh
four-legged animals. Um the current

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draft was modeled after other
municipalities in Maine uh that have

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similar standards. uh many of the
figures and limits in the standards were

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um added in as a item of discussion um
which was uh further clarified by the

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council um to change that a little bit.
Um after the city council introduced the

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ordinance and amendments at its July
20th meeting um the public hearing was

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set and that's kind of where we are
tonight. Um so with that I'm happy to

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answer questions and listen to public
comment. Thank you.

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» Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Are there any members of the

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public who wish to speak?
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» come on up and state your name. And
well, first we have to allow the public

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to speak and then the council can speak.
>> Uh, good evening. I'm Laura Bishop. I

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live at 684 Sween Street in Caribou.
Um, this is pertaining to the ordinance.

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So, I'm speaking tonight because I
strongly oppose the proposed changes of

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to the Caribou dog ordinance,
particularly the decision to place a

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blanket limit on the number of dogs a
resident may own. My biggest concern is

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that this ordinance appears to single up
dog owners rather than address the

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actual problem, irresponsible animal
ownership, and nuisance behavior. If the

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concern is excessive noise, animals
running at large, unsanitary conditions,

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neglect or disturbances to neighboring
properties, then those behaviors should

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be addressed directly and consistently.
They are not problems exclusive to dogs.

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A responsible person owning six dogs
should not automatically be treated as

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more of a problem than somebody owning
five dogs, 10 cats, or multiple animals.

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A dog does not suddenly become a
nuisance simply because it is the sixth

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dog living on a property.
Meanwhile, other domesticated animals

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can create noise, roam onto neighboring
properties, damage property, create

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sanitation issues, and become legitimate
nuisances as well. That is why I

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question why dogs are being singled out.
If the city believes that there is a

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legitimate animal nuisance problem in
the in caribou, then I would encourage

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the council to create an ordinance based
on behavior conditions and responsible

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ownership rather than arbitrary number
attached to one species of animal.

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Enforcing excessive barking. Enforce
animals running at large. Enforce

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neglect and unsanitary conditions.
Enforce situations where someone's

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animals are genuinely interfering with
their neighbors ability to peacefully

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enjoy their property. Those are
reasonable standards because they

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address the actual problem. But simply
owning more than five dogs does not

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prove that someone is irresponsible or
that their animals are a nuisance. I'm

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also concerned about the precedent this
creates. If this justification is that

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having more than a certain number of
dogs might create a nuisance, then why

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wouldn't that same reasoning be applied
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If six dogs are automatically considered
too many, what makes six, eight, or 10

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cats acceptable? Where does that where
is the objective standard? Ordinances

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should be based on demonstrable problems
and applied fairly not written in a way

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that dis dispositorly
apologies on that impacts one group of

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responsible animal owners because of the
type of animal they choose to own. There

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there is an important difference between
regulating irresponsible ownership and

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regulating responsible people simply
because they own more animals than

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someone else believes they should.
I'm asking the council to reconsider

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this ordinance and instead of focus on
regulations that apply to actual

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nuisance behavior regardless of whether
the animal involved is a dog, cat, or

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other domesticated animal. Responsible
dog owners should not be punished for

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their actions of irresponsible ones. If
there is a nuisance, address the

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nuisance. If there is neglect, address
the neglect. If an animal is creating a

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legitimate public safety issue, address
that issue. But please do not assume

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that the number of dogs someone owns
automatically determines whether they

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are a responsible member of this
community. I urge the council to reject

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this ordinance as currently written and
develop something that is fair,

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consistent, and focused on actual
behavior causing the problem rather than

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unfairly singling out dog owners.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» You can save this one. I have on my
computer.

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» Yeah.
>> All right. Is there anyone else who

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wishes to speak? Pat, come on up.

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» I didn't time myself. So, if I go over
five minutes, please just

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wave me off.
>> Oh, we'll we'll get the hook.

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» Okay. [laughter] And and before I start,
I just want to preface my remarks just

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with a couple of things. Um first of
all, I am a dog lover. Um uh I'm a dog

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person. I have lived with dogs most of
my life. However, having stated that, I

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want to thank all the people uh who
dedicated time to research, to consider,

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to consult, and to converse and uh to
bring these uh suggested ordinances to

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us. And I also thank you for reminding
us that citizenship is not just a matter

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of racking up rights, but it is a matter
of embracing responsibility and

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accepting compromise when needed.
So in section 3-104,

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» did you say your name?
>> Oh, um it's um officially it's Mary Pn

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and Pat.
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um
uh not to create a nuisance. I would

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also ask that you address the issue of
animals because I I'm please tell me if

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I'm I'm mistaken in this. Um who while
on their own property, not just public

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property. Um and who do not bite a
person but in a chronic matter are

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allowed to charge on tethers that
sometimes hold and sometimes do not

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hold. I suggest also the inclusion of
dogs on their own property who are not

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constrained but charge. It is if one is
distracted by a char a charging dog and

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has to remove the focus from let's say
an early spring melt or an icy or

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slushcovered winter sidewalk in order to
discern um the dog state of containment.

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Bad things can happen. People can be
injured. dogs can be killed and people

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should be able to stroll with family,
dogs and friends without making chronic

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assessments about charging dogs. Um, and
please know I don't include in um in

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this those dogs who are alert passers by
and then cease or are corrected by their

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own people. Um, you also note that a
leash shall not be more than eight feet

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long. Um this is a bit um tongue
andcheek but um please require testing

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for all people with retractable leashes
to prove that they are able to discern

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what is 8 ft long. Okay, with those
lovely retractable leashes in section 3

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uh-501 animal waste and other
disturbances

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um I hope your considerations will
encourage those who don't to do um but I

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do say good luck to all of us there. Um,
I ask, however, that you consider a

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compromise
regarding birds.

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Um, I I know that cities not far from us
are having really serious rodent

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problems. Um, and I don't mean little
chipmunks, I mean the big guys. And uh,

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the decis of feeding is an important
issue and it can be an annoyance.

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But however, for some people, birding,
feeding birds, caring for them, watching

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them, enjoying them, it really is an
avocation,

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a real avocation and an important one. I
would suggest that feed uh feeding be

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permitted late fall um all winter and
early spring with no repercussions. But

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the understanding must be immediately as
the snow is receding the feeding areas

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must be scrupulously clean and they have
to remain so. Um ladies and gentlemen,

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living in a city it requires compromise.
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uh I can't deny people lawn ornaments
that I despise. Um and those flashing

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lights I'm sure can cause seizures. U
I'm sure of it. and um floating spores

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of weeds coming onto my property and and
so on and so on and so on. Um but please

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allow those burers that joy and perhaps
even their sustenance. Okay. Um finally,

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I know this will never fly, but mercy.
Okay. I ask that in cases of harmful,

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annoying, or even deadly behavior
that if possible, consideration be given

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to a dog's rehabilitation
after perhaps being placed with another

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family or even an entity. Um, please
give a dog whose essence has been

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crippled by our species
a chance to live, maybe even to thrive.

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And I would love to see all those signs
that read beware of the dog or the dogs

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removed and forced to read instead
beware of the people

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again. And I know that will be a long
shot um but any mercy that's possible.

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Thank you again for all this work and
for reminding us once again that

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citizenship is not just rights but also
responsibility and the ability to

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compromise when we are asked to realize
that we are a we and not an I. And I

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thank all of you okay so very much.
Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you

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[clears throat] because I live with a
dog. I have to go home and take care of

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them. [laughter]
Um,

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do you need my name on you? Good.
>> Okay. Thank you so much for Thank you

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everybody.
>> Thank you.

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» Is there anyone else from the public who
wishes to speak? Yep. Come on up. State

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your name and address.
>> My name is Ken Powers. I live at 33

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Pioneer Avenue. I don't have a prepared
statement and I'm not a polished speaker

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like the two people that went before me,
but I really am appreciative of that you

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folks have taken this thing about uh dog
ownership a little more seriously than

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what you have been throughout the years.
I was born and raised in this town and I

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remember as a kid uh maybe two or three
dogs in a neighborhood. Now, there's at

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least 30 dogs with an earshot in my
residence. And sometimes I feel like I'm

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living at a dog count.
I had a neighbor that moved in behind

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me. She's got six dogs, if not more, and
she seems to be pretty irresponsible

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because she just lets them bark.
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if you think that five dogs is enough,
uh living in a close residential

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neighborhood
to where I live and in other parts of

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town, five dogs is a lot of dogs for one
person when you have neighbors right

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next to you. And it just seems like
there seems to be a lot of irresponsible

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people. I know. I can hear some some of
these dogs barking for most of the

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afternoon.
It's crazy. And if you think that 15

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minutes is allowable,
5 minutes of listening to someone else's

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dog bark for five continuous minutes is
a long time, let alone 15 minutes.

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It's It's a long time. It disturbs my
peace. I can't even sit on my back deck

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for 10 minutes at a time without having
to listen to someone's dogs bark.

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They're not barking at me. They're
barking at everything that moves, any

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sound that they hear.
You know, not everybody is irresponsible

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like that. That I do know. But there are
irresponsible folks. Uh my backyard

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neighbor, she seems that barking dogs is
music to her ears.

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I personally sat on my back deck at
around 10:30 at night and she will just

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start those dogs up. They're in her
house and she has a regular concert

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going on there with dogs barking and how
she encourages it.

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This is crazy, folks.
I really don't even want to live in this

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town if I have to keep listening to all
these dogs barking. You know, if it's

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not dogs, it's crows in the morning. You
know, Caribou does have a crow issue.

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Also,
we got people feeding it, throwing bread

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out on the lawns, encouraging these
birds that keep coming back. You know,

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the crows, the raccoons, and everything
else that comes around at night time.

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You know, we live in an urban jungle
here. There's animals all over this

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township at nighttime.
you know, uh, that's basically all I

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have to say. I just wanted to give my
two cents and I really thank you folks

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for bringing this to issue and and try
to get serious about it, but listen, 15

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minutes of continuous parking is a long
time.

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» Thank you. I don't have a clear
statement to give to anybody, but

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» thank you.
>> Is there anyone else from the public who

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wishes to speak?

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State your name and address.
>> My name is Gloria Lere. I live at 489

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Access Highway. I think it's good that
you're bringing up new rules and

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regulations and people should be
responsible for the pets and clean up

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after them. But we should all get
together with dog owners and everything

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and come up with what is going to fit
into this town of people. And I think

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that's a good idea. Yes, five minutes
barking dogs. Yes, I understand that.

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But there's also black crawlers. There's
also address the problem. Go and educate

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people what is out there to have us all
live together because it is a

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responsibility when you own so many. But
the number of dogs, if you can afford

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it, that is fine. If you can't, that
should be addressed. I just wanted to

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bring that forward and say thank you. We
should have new laws and regulations,

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but pet owners should be involved in it,
I would think. And I would like to say

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thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
>> Is there anyone else from the public who

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wishes to speak?

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» Okay. Yep. We can go ahead and read the
letters that have come in. I believe we

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00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:34,320
have two letters from citizens. So, yep,
you can go ahead. Um, this is a letter

430
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:39,680
from Scott Fair uh at on Sweden Street
in Caribou and he says his the subject

431
00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:44,880
[clears throat] is titled proposed
amendment chapter 3 article 1. While I

432
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:52,320
understand the proposal, I would point
out the wording. Changing the wording

433
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:56,960
from constable or officer to caribou
official creates a scenario where

434
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:02,160
enforcement can be delegated or carried
out by persons with no law enforcement

435
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,480
background or training. This could place
the city in an untenable situation if a

436
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:13,040
situation arises around fourth amendment
issues of search and seizure where a

437
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:18,880
person without the appropriate training
and knowledge violates a citizen's

438
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:24,760
rights. The term city official is far
too broad and needs to be narrowed to

439
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,760
prevent issues.

440
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,599
» Thank you.
>> I believe you have one as well.

441
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:36,400
» I do as well from Alexander Weekes and
the subject is proposed dog ordinance.

442
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:40,160
Dear Miss Brazette and members of the
city council, thank you for your service

443
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,640
and looking at ways to protect animals
from abusive and neglectful situations.

444
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:49,119
I appreciate the work that has gone into
updating the city's animal control

445
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:52,640
ordinance and I support the goal of
keeping the public safe and ensuring

446
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:57,280
that dogs are under appropriate control
in public places.

447
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:01,920
I understand that the provision limiting
leashes to no more than 8 ft is not new

448
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:06,160
language but rather language from the
existing ordinance that is being carried

449
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,839
forward into the proposed ordinance.
Since the ordinance is currently being

450
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,119
reviewed and updated, however, I would
ask the city to consider whether that

451
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:18,000
particular restriction is still
necessary. Rather than setting an

452
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:21,839
arbitrary maximum leash length, I
believe the ordinance should focus on

453
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:26,160
what actually matters, whether the owner
or handler has immediate and effective

454
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:30,720
control of the animal. There are many
situations where a responsible owner may

455
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:35,440
appropriately use a longer lead while
walking, training, or exercising a dog

456
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:42,240
in an open public area. A dog on a 10 or
15t lead may be in excellent control

457
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:46,880
under excellent control while a dog on a
6ft leash may not be. The le length of

458
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:51,119
the leash itself does not necessarily
determine whether an animal is being

459
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:55,520
responsibly controlled. I would suggest
replacing the eight-foot restriction

460
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:59,359
with language such as the leasher lead
shall be of a length and used in a

461
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:03,440
manner that allows the handler to
maintain immediate and effective control

462
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:07,440
of the animal and prevent the animal
from creating a hazard or interfering

463
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:12,240
with other persons, animals, vehicles or
property. This would preserve the intent

464
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:16,240
of the existing ordinance and still give
the law enforcement or animal control

465
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:20,079
the ability to address situations where
an animal is not being properly

466
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:24,720
restrained without unnecessarily
restricting responsible owners who use

467
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:29,040
longer leads appropriately. Since this
is since this provision is already being

468
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,720
revisited as part of the larger
ordinance update, I hope the city will

469
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:39,599
consider modernizing this section as
well. Thank you for your consideration.

470
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,599
Sincerely, Andrew Week Alexandra Weeks.

471
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:48,280
Thank you.
>> Is there any other member of the public

472
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,280
who wishes to speak?

473
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,240
» Okay. I would move the conversation to
the council. Councelor Watson. Yep.

474
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,200
» Have you had something you wanted to
share?

475
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:01,520
» Yes, I do. Um I agree with most
everything here that was said. I also

476
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:07,760
went back and reread this and I've been
having conversations with Eric.

477
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:13,359
There you are. And um some of the things
that have been already noted that I

478
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:18,800
would agree with um obviously appointing
who does what to who for how many jelly

479
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:23,599
beans. Um, we already outlined that in
section 3-107

480
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:29,760
of who's to be considered. And I agree
that the first reading that says any

481
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:34,800
caribou official or officer, but it does
clarify that in section 3-107,

482
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:40,319
which would clarify who is going to be
able to actually say something and do

483
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:44,440
something. My next concern goes down to
the limitation of dogs.

484
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:52,160
My concern there is not so much on the
number of dogs,

485
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:57,359
but of the capacity to care for the dogs
and their ability to act responsibly

486
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,520
within the community. If we say that
we're going to chase anybody with five

487
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:05,280
dogs, I can understand that concept. But
in the same respect, if all you've got

488
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:09,119
is one dog and it's a holy terror for
the entire neighborhood to try to

489
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:13,839
tolerate, then I think that's just big a
concern as having five dogs. In the same

490
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:19,839
respect, if you have five well-mannered
dogs, I don't think that has any place

491
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:25,520
to play. What I do suspect that is more
of a I shouldn't say suspect. What I do

492
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:31,920
fear is that the way we're heading down
the road with this is that by focusing

493
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:37,200
on certain things, and it's outlined
here in the ordinance rather well on the

494
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:42,800
life liberty of the animal and what
they're capable of doing. I would much

495
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:48,319
rather see us focus on taking care of
the animals as opposed to having someone

496
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:55,839
having just one animal that's violent,
mean, and chained outside 365. I think

497
00:44:52,240 --> 00:45:02,920
that needs to be addressed. Um, having
said that, the barking and howling dogs

498
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,920
under section 3-41,

499
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:12,240
I understand 15 minutes is a long time,
but I also understand this is caribou

500
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:16,720
and you outlined it so perfectly that we
have many wild animals in the community

501
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:22,000
and we also have people wandering
through our community that are either a

502
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:26,960
homeless or under the influence of
substances.

503
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:31,520
And a dog alerting on that type of stuff
is not going to be pulled into control

504
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,839
no matter how well trained they are
because they're protecting their home,

505
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,760
their family, their territory. 15
minutes is not enough. What I want to

506
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:45,040
see it though is I want to see the
control that goes with that piece. I

507
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:50,560
want to see the owner being responsible.
To just simply turn up your TV louder

508
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,880
and allow the dog to bark outside is
unacceptable. I want to see that

509
00:45:52,960 --> 00:46:01,440
intervention. I think that's where that
needs to be focused there. So I think

510
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:07,040
that needs to be addressed in this. Um
I think during the day the problem is we

511
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:12,560
have people who are ill responsible and
they leave for work and they're gone for

512
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:16,480
8 hours and that dog's outside. I think
that's that needs to be addressed and

513
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:22,480
these can all be addressed as noise
nuisances and handled appropriately by

514
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:27,839
law enforcement. Um, but I think during
the day when everybody's up and quote at

515
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:33,760
work, I think an hour is an acceptable
time limit to handle because that if I'm

516
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:38,240
if I ran downtown to get something from
the store and I'm coming back, my dog's

517
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:43,359
barking and I, you know, I handle the
dog in a responsible manner as soon as I

518
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:47,359
get back. That's a time issue that I had
no clue. You know, someone walked

519
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,880
through my backyard, the dog alerted.
you know, these things. I think we need

520
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:57,440
to think a little bit better on that
down in section D of 3-41.

521
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Um,
we've kind of mentioned this and it's

522
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:06,400
not being stressed enough. This
ordinance is primarily within the DOT

523
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:11,359
compact zone.
Okay? When you're on when you're in R3

524
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:16,000
or you're outside the DOT compact zone,
there's a little more room and there's

525
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:22,400
need for a little more leniency. Um last
two pieces last yeah

526
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:26,319
the last one here
and I think that's something we need to

527
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:30,160
discuss as a group what we consider when
to and how to surrender an animal and I

528
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:36,880
don't want to get into that because I
want to keep this fairly short. My last

529
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:43,119
one last two is section 3-71 rabies.
Has anybody really read this?

530
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:49,680
Because this is crazy. This says that
during a an outbreak of rabies within

531
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:55,599
the community, we will quarantine every
animal inside the home. So, if I own an

532
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:01,599
apartment, an apartment or I rent an
apartment, I'm on the second floor. I

533
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:05,440
can't take my dog outside
to go to the bathroom. I'm locked. I

534
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:11,359
mean, that's what it says. And it says
the mayor has within their power to, you

535
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:16,400
know, do this for the entire community.
dogs still got to go outside. Dogs still

536
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:21,680
got to go to the bathroom. Um, so I
think that needs to be revisited. And

537
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:25,920
then the last thing I want to say,
there's a thing that we talk about in

538
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:32,480
section 3-81,
when dogs may be killed.

539
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:37,960
I'm I'm scared of the wording that says
or caused an abrasion of the skin of any

540
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,960
person.

541
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:46,680
The best way to explain it is to show
you an example. I don't like you. You

542
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:46,680
have a dog.

543
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:54,800
Your animal just came and got me.
That's why when I worked in emergency

544
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:59,760
rooms and in other communities, we
always use the phrase broke skin because

545
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:04,559
at that point, it's a true
representation of the aggressive labeler

546
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:10,559
label of the dog. I think that needs to
be addressed. Unfortunately, because of

547
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:15,760
all these uh items, I do not feel
comfortable in voting for this

548
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:21,359
ordinance. I agree that it needs to be
worked on further. I think at that point

549
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:26,079
when all this is addressed, however we
decide to do it, it'll be a much better

550
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:34,160
ordinance. I can go to Daniel.
And um I think that's where we need to

551
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:38,079
be. So, that's my input on that. Anyone
else from the council wish to speak?

552
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:42,400
» I do. Um, I just want to say I I do
think that in 371, just to to Paul's

553
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,760
point, that it's just saying you can't
take your dog into the streets. I don't

554
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:49,920
I don't think that the intention is that
you can't take them into your own yard.

555
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:55,920
I could be wrong on how I'm reading
that, but um I've had more feedback on

556
00:49:53,040 --> 00:50:00,720
this than any other item ever on
council. And so this is a very hot issue

557
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:05,680
for our our citizens and the people in
this community. Um, and there I think

558
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:10,880
there are some concerns. I think there's
some legitimate concerns. Uh, that being

559
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:16,400
said, I think it's um important to give
our law enforcement and people who are

560
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:24,400
in charge with keeping us safe some
teeth, so to speak, on um, you know,

561
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:29,200
rules or ordinances that can um, keep
people safe and keep pe keep these

562
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:34,000
animals healthy and safe because that's
a huge issue. Um, I'm not sure that

563
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:39,920
we're having a lot of aggressive dogs
attacking people necessarily, but I do

564
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:46,240
think that there are um maybe
more animals that are being neglected or

565
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:50,960
abused or um not attended to that this
would fall under just kind of looking at

566
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:55,440
some of the numbers, but that that again
could be wrong. I just feel like we need

567
00:50:52,559 --> 00:51:00,640
to to continue to look at it as well. Um
because I definitely I I see and I hear

568
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:06,040
the citizens that are voicing their
concerns and I want to make sure we get

569
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,040
it right. So

570
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:16,480
» anyone else on council? Deputy mayor.
>> Yeah. I uh I was growing up on a as a

571
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:22,160
young man on a farm. I understand
animals u understand we're doing this

572
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,680
but I don't know why
this regulation

573
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:30,800
maybe
uh maybe not necessary I mean if you're

574
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:37,200
responsible
owner of animals and uh and that then

575
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:42,800
everything should be good if you're not
well then you we can't regulate that.

576
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:47,280
So, uh,
before I really,

577
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:52,640
uh, I agree with some of these things on
here,

578
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:57,680
uh, and I think you you just mentioned,
Tamara, that, uh, you know, this this is

579
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:03,359
regulated as dogs maybe just
necessarily, but we could be we can be

580
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:08,920
looking at other other animals as well.
So,

581
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:08,920
I'll stop there.

582
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,440
Anyone else?

583
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,720
» Oh, did you want to have some public
input? Um, yes. Yeah, that's fine. You

584
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,880
just need to come up and state your name
and address.

585
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:31,599
» My address is where I live.
>> Wayne Ayes, 19 Montgomery Avenue.

586
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Um, I just came because I heard rumors
today about some of the stuff that

587
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:38,160
people were adding stuff together um
about the timeline and coming on the

588
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:42,640
property and taking the dog out of the
can. I'm a canine handler with Border

589
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:48,000
Patrol, so that kind of I was like, I
don't know what if they come on my

590
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:52,079
property. Um, the only, so just going
off of what everybody said and what

591
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:56,160
y'all have said, the only problems that
I'm see that that caribou official

592
00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:01,200
thing, I really agree with that, that
very much needs to be changed. That's

593
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:06,000
given too much power to just anybody
that doesn't have a law enforcement

594
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:12,000
background. Um, and then the other thing
about

595
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:16,720
having the dog on the leash or at heel
beside them,

596
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:20,480
I I think you're given if if you want to
make an ordinance, you you need to make

597
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:26,000
an ordinance like it either needs to be
leash or no leash because you're going

598
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,960
to every every dog owner thinks their
dog is the best behaved dog in the world

599
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,880
and they're going to listen to them,
right? So, if you're going to have a

600
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:36,800
leash law or leash ordinance, whatever
you want to call it, it needs to be

601
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:43,040
leash or no leash. You can't you can't
have both cuz then you can't enforce it,

602
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:48,880
right? Um
and then the the barking thing, I get

603
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:53,520
that
mine's outside during the summer. Um he

604
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:58,319
barks when I'm when I'm getting ready
for work. So, I hope it's not more for

605
00:53:55,839 --> 00:54:02,559
more than five minutes. But
um yeah, that's it. Just I mean

606
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:08,079
everything you're obviously going to
have to work on it, right? But those are

607
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:13,477
the only things that I see.
>> Thank you.

608
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:13,477
» Sure. [clears throat]

609
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:23,040
» Troy Haney, 236 Van Bureau. Just a quick
something to consider too if it gets

610
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:26,240
looked at is um wireless leashes. Like
my dog has a collar. We have an

611
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,160
underground. So somebody would drive by
and think that dog's not on a leash, but

612
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:33,760
I can guarantee I put a t-bone steak on
the outside of the shock line and she

613
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,160
ain't going there. But so it's just
something that may may be unobvious for

614
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:41,760
a lot of people. So and the other
question I guess I would have is, you

615
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:45,760
know, obviously we go in we live in a
rural community in some shops and my dog

616
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:49,760
isn't in my shop personally, but there's
plenty of shops where they have dogs

617
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,640
that are part of their environment at
the store and they're loose and things

618
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:56,160
like that. So how would that be handled
in this ordinance? It's just something

619
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:00,160
to consider because for some places
that's uh part of the culture of the

620
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:05,200
store and people I've had my own dogs in
my store before. Carone I do have isn't

621
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,720
but uh people came just to see the dog
sometimes. So I think more than maybe

622
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:14,480
some just things to consider. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

623
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,480
» Anyone else?

624
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:22,160
I do think that we probably need to
again I think we need to pull this back,

625
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:28,079
rework it, but I think we also need to
have an ordinance for livestock in our

626
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,800
community and you know that type of
stuff. We're going to do this. Let's do

627
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:34,720
this right. Let's do every section.
Let's break it down. Let's cover it all.

628
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:41,280
» I mean, I will say I was happy to see
some of the dog verbiage come out. Um,

629
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,880
and I know I was kind of the past couple
of meetings talking about that

630
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:48,960
light-heartedly, mind you, but I, you
know, did feel like it was very heavily

631
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,640
leaning toward dogs. So, I was happy to
see some of that language change. But I

632
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:56,160
do think we still have a lot of work to
do on this. And I agree that we should

633
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:58,240
have some livestock provisions or look
at that a little bit more.

634
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:03,760
» Y
>> um, before we finalize this. So, I would

635
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:07,839
agree that it has has a little work to
left to do on it.

636
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,160
I think we should add in mini Highland
cows allowed in the city, but I haven't

637
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,079
found one.
>> I love that idea.

638
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,160
» Thanks.
>> What? I didn't quite hear that.

639
00:56:13,943 --> 00:56:18,079
[laughter]
>> Highland cows.

640
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,400
» Oh, yes. She would like a little
husband.

641
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:25,040
» You can make me a motion, would you?
>> I'll second it. Um, you'll have to come

642
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:32,160
up and state your name and address.
>> I just want to refer to this livestock

643
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:36,960
issue. Uh, I read the uh abstract from
when my parents bought my piece of

644
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:43,920
property from Samuel Collins and
stipulated it stipulated uh back then

645
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:48,880
back in the late 40s early 50s uh no
farm animals, no chickens, no pigs, no

646
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:54,480
goats,
you know, and I don't know if that was

647
00:56:51,119 --> 00:57:00,160
an ordinance or just a stipulation from
the folks that were buying up uh

648
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:04,319
properties way back then. I just wanted
to add that in there. And another thing

649
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:08,799
is since you're going to be discussing
this dog thing a little more before it

650
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:13,280
comes to a final vote, will you be
holding another public hearing

651
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:18,000
» after you get some of the things ironed
out so the public can

652
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:21,440
» I think we would need to if we make
amendments to the ordinance, we would

653
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,599
have to to have another public hearing.
>> We'd have to uh

654
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:26,559
» Yeah.
>> Would we have to have another public

655
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:28,400
hearing? We just amen.
>> Yeah. If we

656
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:31,680
» No, I think if it's
>> we just amend this.

657
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:34,240
» No, you still have to have a public
hearing.

658
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:38,240
» They still have to have public hearing
>> cuz we're going to do we're going to do

659
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,319
pen and ink changes, not just, you know,
clarification for spelling and grammar.

660
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,480
So, that means another public hearing.
>> Okay. Anything further?

661
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:51,119
» No.
>> Okay. I'm going to come out of the

662
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:54,559
public hearing at 6:50 p.m.
And I guess we would want a motion or

663
00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:57,920
direction from the council.
>> Sure. I'll make a motion. I make a

664
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:03,119
motion that we pull this ordinance.
Ordinance. What's the name of this one?

665
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Six. Ordinance six.
>> Six. 2026.

666
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,440
» Thank you. Whispers.
[laughter]

667
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:18,799
Ordinance six. Uh 2026 series animal
control ordinance public hearing that it

668
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:22,799
be brought back into the fold of the
council, reworked, and then represented

669
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:26,880
at a later date with all the inputs
that's been provided here.

670
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:31,599
» I second that. Can I just make a quick a
well I maybe amendment to that is I

671
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:34,480
think it would kind of go back to the
folks that were working on initially not

672
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:36,720
necessarily the council but
>> do you want to go back all the way to

673
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:40,000
the planning board?
>> Well that's where

674
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:44,079
» I think Eric's been working on this with
members of the planning board.

675
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:47,520
» Yeah. Okay. Then we'll go that far back.
>> So that's that was my question. So

676
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:50,960
you're bringing
>> I mean that's what I would just suggest.

677
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:53,520
I didn't mean to take over your motion.
I

678
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:56,079
» No, no. Fine. Amend it. Let's roll. I
mean, that's the best way to do

679
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,680
business. Let's do it.
>> Second that.

680
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:01,760
» You do have a clarifying question. So,
you're not passing or failing?

681
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:03,920
» No.
>> You're just stopping and restarting,

682
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,160
» right?
>> Correct.

683
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:13,280
» So, he's not going
it won't be reintroduced.

684
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,359
It's just getting reworked. But you
still want to do a public hearing.

685
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,359
» Yes.
>> Yes.

686
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:25,200
» Is that the proper way to do that?
>> Not really.

687
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:29,680
Okay, that was just my question.
>> Well, normally if if it's going to start

688
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,720
over and it's going to go back to public
hearing, then it would be a fully work

689
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:37,760
once again. So, it would be ordinance
seven in order.

690
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,440
» Maybe we do need to I just making a
motion to

691
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:45,760
» I'm concerned that we I think that the
public is very interested in having

692
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:50,960
input on this. So, however, we need to
do that. If we have to make it a whole

693
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:54,400
new ordinance, then so be it. And it's
not just an amendment here and there.

694
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,559
» We make a motion to reject it.
>> Reject this.

695
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:03,200
» Yeah. We're never have to reject it.
>> And then and then start again

696
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:06,319
» and then make no one accept
public hearing

697
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,880
» in planning board that gives people the
input. Then we have a public hearing

698
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,400
here. It would just start the whole
process again. It would be much cleaner.

699
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:18,480
I make a request to amend my motion to
state that we

700
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:26,720
» reject
>> reject this motion, ordinance six,

701
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:31,680
right? Yep. Ordinance six. And that we
send it back to the planning board to

702
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:34,559
start over again. Is that the correct
way that it needs to be phrased?

703
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:38,400
» I think that's better.
>> Okie dokie. That'll work for us.

704
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:41,440
» So that this this this is all just going
back to the drawing board.

705
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:44,000
» Yep. Back to the planning board.
>> Yep.

706
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:48,319
» Okay. I like that. Thank you.
>> You want a second? Okay. Motion in a

707
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:51,680
second. Oh, she beat it.
>> Whatever.

708
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,760
» Any further discussion?
>> Baggley.

709
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,720
» I fair.
>> Lovewell.

710
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,960
» Hi.
>> Smith.

711
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,960
» Uh, yes, ma'am.
>> Watson.

712
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,359
» Oh, heck yeah.
>> I motion carries. All right.

713
01:01:02,147 --> 01:01:07,359
[clears throat]
Okay. Item number nine is the city

714
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:10,400
manager report. I'm sure you have all
had a chance to take a look at that.

715
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,400
Does anyone have questions for Manager
Thompson?

716
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:23,119
Manager Thompson, anything you needed to
add to this or?

717
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:27,680
» Uh, the only thing I wanted to add was
back with the facade improvement grant.

718
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:34,880
So, one of the things um that the
committee spoke about was

719
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:41,760
the fact that we will have um that many
funds for the fall uh award time. So,

720
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:47,680
what we are doing is following up with
people who have had faced facade

721
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:52,000
improvement grants but haven't drawn
down those funds because they have 18

722
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:57,040
months from the award to do so. So,
Hannah's reaching out to them now. So

723
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:01,280
before that
grant process starts, we'll have a

724
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,359
report for the council how many what
we'll have available for funds at that

725
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,240
time. So
>> perfect.

726
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:12,480
» That was something discussed there.
>> Um to Mr. P's point about the deed.

727
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:17,440
» There are a lot of subdivisions in town
who have restrictive covenants in the

728
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:22,880
deed that's related to the subdivision.
So that's probably uh where that comes

729
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:26,480
from in your deed about livestock. uh in
that subdivision.

730
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:30,079
» Yeah, exactly. A restrictive covenant,
which would be different than an

731
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:37,200
ordinance. Um, one of the things that we
talked about during budget time was that

732
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:41,839
we're not waiting until the last minute
to talk about things. So, I said as soon

733
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:48,319
as we set the tax rate, I wanted to
start talking about the 27 budget. So I

734
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:52,400
have uh starting on page 84 in the
packet

735
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:58,079
I have a discussion here about the
components of the municipal tax bill the

736
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:03,359
things that are under the purview of the
city council and those items which are

737
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:06,640
not controlled by the city council. This
is available on the website. You don't

738
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:10,720
have to go through the whole city
council packet. You can go to

739
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:14,880
carbomain.org/taxbill org/tax billill
and there is a lot of information there

740
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:22,640
including telephone numbers where you
can call all three parts of the tax bill

741
01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:28,640
if you have questions. So in 2026
for every $1,000 that you have for a tax

742
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:37,520
bill $420
comes to the city. So out of that $420

743
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:43,839
of each thousand that's paying for
public works, your public safety, uh

744
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:49,520
fire, ambulance, police, general
government, the rec department, the

745
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:56,559
library, the museum, parks, all of those
services in our community is funded with

746
01:03:52,319 --> 01:04:03,280
$420 of every $1,000 of your tax bill.
the Arate County portion, which funds

747
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:10,160
things uh like the registry of deeds,
the court system, the jails, that is

748
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:16,799
$110 of your tax bill, every $1,000 of
your tax bill. And in 2026, uh that

749
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:22,000
$1,000, $470
goes to fund the school department.

750
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:26,880
So, I want everyone to know that the
city council does not control

751
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:34,160
what we have to pay for the Arusta
County portion and the RSU portion.

752
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:39,440
Those the body has no control over. They
have control over the $420

753
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:44,319
and not the remainder.
So, um I have information in here. I'm

754
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:49,359
not going to go over all of it for
people who don't want to do math at 7:00

755
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:56,960
p.m., but there's information in here
about how we get get those calculations

756
01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:02,480
for the municipal tax bill, for RSU, for
the county, how we calculate it, what it

757
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:09,280
is when we talk about a mill, what that
actually means, how we figure out what a

758
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:14,480
mill is worth every year. uh on pa the
the following page it has you know where

759
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:22,400
you can find out this information for
yourself. So if if you want to look

760
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:29,520
online there the ED 279s for the school
every school in the state of Maine they

761
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:34,559
have uh exactly on on line and this is
where you would find the information

762
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:41,200
that we use when we're uh talking about
those bills.

763
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:46,799
And on the final page, um, this is, uh,
what we use to, because our years are

764
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:50,640
different, we have to use half and half.
The other thing that you hear me talk a

765
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:57,119
lot about
is when you're looking at the budget.

766
01:05:53,599 --> 01:06:02,000
So, state statute determines exactly how
the school budget is laid out, what is

767
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:08,720
contained in every article that's
presented to the voters.

768
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:14,319
And two articles that are raise most of
the money from your taxes are it's

769
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:20,079
articles 12 through 17. But the ones to
really pay attention to are 12 and 14.

770
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:25,359
Article 12 is the information that we
get from the 279 here and we have to

771
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:32,240
take half from each year because our
year is different. And the other article

772
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:38,240
is article 14. And article 14 is the sum
that they raise over and above what the

773
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:44,079
state requires. So to get the state
funding for our schools, we have to

774
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:51,359
raise what is in the number for article
12. When you look at the school budget,

775
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:56,000
article 14, the reason why it says that
it's a secret ballot to vote on it is

776
01:06:53,839 --> 01:07:01,839
because that is what the school is
raising and appropriates in additional

777
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:08,079
local funds over and above what the
state of Maine's essential programs and

778
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:13,359
services funding says that they need. I
just want to make sure that we're clear

779
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:18,400
when we talk about, you know, maybe
looking at cuts. We're not saying

780
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:23,039
cutting article 12, which is what we
need to leverage the state's funding.

781
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:27,920
What we're what I'm saying, I'm not
trying to put words in anyone's mouth.

782
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:32,400
What I'm saying with article 14 is that
that one, as you can see from different

783
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:36,640
graphics we have online, that one is
going up and up every year and at this

784
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:41,520
point exceeds what we're raising in
article 12.

785
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:45,920
And I want people to to understand that.
And if you have questions about what the

786
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:50,240
the
um additional local funds which exceed

787
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:54,720
the state's
essential program and services

788
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:59,920
funding,
that's a question for the school. This

789
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:05,359
board here does not set that. They have
no control. The school hands us a bill

790
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:10,319
after our voters go and vote on it, and
we have to pay that bill. And that's

791
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:14,880
$470 of every thousand dollars we
collect.

792
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:20,239
So that is our little TED talk today on
the 2027 budget.

793
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:26,560
Thank you. Welcome, Benny.
>> No, thank you.

794
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:31,440
» Okay. Item 10 is unfinished business. We
don't have anything to talk about there.

795
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:36,400
Item 11, new business ordinances and
resolutions. 11 A is execution of a

796
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:40,799
quick claim deed for taxes paid. And
that's on page 87. Carl's not here.

797
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:43,040
Penny, did you just want to give us a
quick

798
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,600
» quickly on that?
>> Sure. So,

799
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:54,799
at different times when someone pays off
their taxes and the lean is released on

800
01:08:52,000 --> 01:09:01,199
a piece of property, it gets forgotten.
It doesn't get recorded. And this is

801
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:04,560
something from like 2014 that didn't get
recorded. did the quick claim deed

802
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:11,199
releasing the city's interest after
taxes were paid and the law office has

803
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,920
asked for the city to release their
ownership because the taxes have been

804
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:18,319
paid.
>> Gota that's all this is and it's a quick

805
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:24,159
claim deed. You're not even certifying
that you have any interest. Just that if

806
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:28,080
you do have, you are relinquishing it.
Aren't these the same people who are

807
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:35,920
suing the city and the federal credit
union and lawyers offices and anybody

808
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:41,359
that they can sue for wrongful deeds
that the city did? Is this is this

809
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:47,279
tangled up in that mess?
>> You are correct. this this party who

810
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:54,560
owns the property that this quick claim
deed is associated with does have a

811
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:59,679
legal matter against the city. However,
that doesn't really matter in this case.

812
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:04,560
The taxes are paid. So, there's no
reason not to sign a quick claim deed.

813
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:09,360
We can't penalize people because the
things they're doing outside of the

814
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:13,920
scope of what we can control that
they're doing that. So to be clear, they

815
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:18,000
paid the taxes. This was a long time ago
>> and it was just forgotten.

816
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:22,560
» Correct. It's my understanding that our
software program is supposed to spit out

817
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:27,920
and I don't know cuz I don't work in tax
collection and I never have. But there

818
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:31,360
the system is supposed to print out when
you need one signed, but sometimes it

819
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:34,800
doesn't happen, you know,
>> cuz we get these occasionally. Yeah, we

820
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:38,719
do. sometimes after the meeting and I
don't know what I'm signing

821
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:43,840
wanted to ask
>> if that is somehow, you know, part of a

822
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:48,560
settlement or something along those
lines. It's purely taxes paid.

823
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:53,520
» It's it's just taxes paid. And like I
said, I think it's like 2014,

824
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,600
» well before any of that. Well, I don't
know. That's been going on a long time.

825
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:00,880
It could have been going
>> and they let that stand for 12 years

826
01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:04,400
without saying anything.
it it's not normally noticed unless an

827
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,719
ownership changes and that's what's
happening right now

828
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:09,280
» when they're doing a title search is
when it will come up.

829
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,880
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

830
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:20,239
» Question on that because
>> when we uh when you can pay a a quit

831
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:25,360
claim deed a quit claim deed that
doesn't u you have to still go to the

832
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:29,840
registry of dreads. Am I correct on that
to

833
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:35,920
» Yeah. That's just we sign off. seven of
us, boom, game over. But if you want to

834
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,880
go borrow against that or whatever you
need to do, you still got to go get that

835
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,080
registered, right?
>> Not part of our process.

836
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,640
» Not part of our process. We just sign
off and say, "Hey, quickly."

837
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:50,159
» Yeah.
>> The taxes are paid. That's just our part

838
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:54,239
here is that the city put a lean on the
property because the taxes weren't paid

839
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:57,360
before those leans were put on the
property.

840
01:11:55,440 --> 01:12:02,159
» They were paid and so now we need to
release the lean. We just

841
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:06,640
» and these a as our city clerk said it
comes up when people do a title search.

842
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:10,400
» So they do the title search which when
you only have a quick claim deed it it

843
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:13,840
doesn't work cuz you don't have it's not
registered. Correct.

844
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:19,679
» Yeah. It goes to the registry and it
does excuse me. How many years until the

845
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:25,120
city can take care of that? because I
believe this person um had a lot of

846
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:30,000
years and by law in the state of Maine
if I'm not mistaken is three years and

847
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:34,880
the city can take over that not 12 not
six not five

848
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:38,640
» yeah this this is a yeah this is a whole
different thing this is just because a

849
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:42,040
lean was created in 2014
>> not talking about

850
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,560
» yeah totally different subject not
related to this agenda item

851
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:50,560
» but I want to talk about
>> but we can't in the middle of a meeting

852
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:52,880
because but You can call our tax
collector.

853
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:57,040
» I call a couple of times your phone
number regarding a lot of abandoned

854
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:01,679
properties here for new businesses
>> and I've never received a call back.

855
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,840
» Um, leave your number with Danielle and
she'll give it to

856
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:08,000
» that before. Okay.
>> And with you on the front, the only

857
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:11,199
person that has reached out is Eric.
>> Okay. So, Eric now that everybody's

858
01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:16,560
here.
>> Yeah. Not not part of this though. So,

859
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,600
um, that's what this is about. The
reason why it's on the agenda is because

860
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:26,000
as councelor Bagley stated, he was
uncomfortable with the idea of just

861
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:29,280
being handed a quick claim deed to sign
at the end of the meeting. So now it's

862
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:33,840
become an agenda meeting. I mean an
agenda item so that if you have any

863
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,880
questions, you can ask them and we'll
answer them for you. But if I'm not

864
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:41,040
mistaken, it's not something we need to
vote on. All right, perfect. Everyone

865
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:44,320
all set with that?
>> Mhm.

866
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:49,040
» Okay.
So, we'll sign that at the end of the

867
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:55,120
meeting, Daniel. Okay. Item number 11B
is a discussion of the Brook Street

868
01:13:52,320 --> 01:14:00,880
Housing proposal and Eric, I think
you're speaking tonight on behalf of the

869
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:04,560
Caribou Development Committee.
>> Hello again, Mayor Bulma, members of the

870
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:07,760
city council, Manager Thompson. Um,
again, my name is Eric Sanderson. I'm a

871
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:11,920
the economic and community development
specialist for the city of Caribou. Um

872
01:14:10,776 --> 01:14:14,719
[clears throat] over the last several
months, the uh Caribou Development

873
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:18,480
Committee and staff have been really
hard at work um looking at ways that we

874
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:22,800
can support Caribou and our business
community. Um after a lot of

875
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:27,520
deliberation and some discussions with
the city council, the most uh

876
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:32,000
uh viable project to move forward with
at this point uh and thus the current

877
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:37,120
proposal is creation of additional
housing units in Caribou to assist uh

878
01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:41,120
with the um national housing crisis. Um
the current proposal from the committee

879
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:46,400
is twofold. First to ask if the city
council supports uh housing creation on

880
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:50,239
this property and second uh to allocate
funding to procure professional services

881
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:54,640
for a boundary survey pinning and
existing conditions analysis.

882
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:57,840
During the process of preparing this
proposal, the development committee

883
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:02,320
worked to identify utility connections,
zoning, and potential phasing so staff

884
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:06,480
get as much detail as possible on what
developing additional housing at the

885
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:10,480
property might look like.
This is further supported by the city's

886
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:14,560
uh recently completed housing action
plan in which residents indicated uh

887
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:18,560
strong support for more diverse
affordable types of housing. Further,

888
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:26,239
the plan calls for marketing caribou
properties um that are supported by um

889
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:30,640
uh and have access to utility
connections as well as local amenities.

890
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:34,320
uh the excerpts from the plan um as well
as the uh development committee proposal

891
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:38,640
is attached to the uh city council's
agenda for your review. Um as is noted

892
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:42,880
in the scope of work, the current
request is for survey existing

893
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:45,679
conditions and pin setting only. Uh any
development of this site would need to

894
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:52,480
be thoroughly vetted through a public
process. Um any development of this site

895
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:57,040
um would need to happen after any
boundary survey is uh is done. Um and

896
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:02,800
staff anticipates any next steps would
be creation of an RFB or an RFP to

897
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:06,080
procure that professional service.
The development committee is prepared to

898
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:09,040
draft development agreements, consider
buildout alternatives and work with the

899
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:13,199
many stakeholders that will have a
vested interest in this project. Uh the

900
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,640
committee believes that this proposal
reflects consistency with the

901
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:20,400
comprehensive plan h the housing action
plan city council goals and it gives the

902
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:24,960
city the opportunity to take the lead on
the nation's housing shortage.

903
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,000
Not only will this diversify and
increase Caribou's aging and outdated

904
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:31,199
housing stock, but it will tell
employers that Caribou is open for

905
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:35,360
business and ready to house the
employees that businesses need and

906
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:38,000
support our residents. Um, many members
of the development committee are here

907
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:43,199
tonight. So, thank you all for coming
and um they're also here for any

908
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,840
questions or follow clarifications, but
I'm also happy to provide those if the

909
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:49,040
council wishes.
>> I think this is pretty clear.

910
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:54,640
» Yep.
>> I think we just make the motion to move

911
01:16:52,880 --> 01:17:01,440
You absolutely.
>> Okay, then.

912
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:04,320
Okay. I make a motion to allocate.
Got

913
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:07,679
» it.
>> Which one are you? I'm No, I'm looking

914
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:10,560
at this one here on 89.
>> Yeah. All right.

915
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:13,760
» Someone on 89.
>> I jumped over.

916
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:19,320
» Hey, no problem. Um, make motion to
allocate up to 20,000 from account

917
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,320
number G5-473-00

918
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:26,960
for surveying existing conditions
analysis and pin setting for the

919
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:34,719
cityowned Brook Street property. Further
identified as tax map 10, lot 0001-

920
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:39,120
C to support development of housing on
the property.

921
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,320
» So, I have a question. And I just want
to clarify that this is going to be

922
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:45,120
surveying the entire property.
>> Yes.

923
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:48,640
» And then we'll we'll get some feedback
and people will come forward with kind

924
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,960
of their ideas of the highest and best
use based on the housing study that we

925
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:55,280
did
>> just to set the four corner things of

926
01:17:53,120 --> 01:18:02,159
the area that's going to be developed.
So what is the area 10 acres? So, uh,

927
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:06,480
when we talked with, um, the, uh, some
professionals that could do this work,

928
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:12,719
um, they indicated that in order to do
any smaller phase of the work, uh,

929
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:19,600
whether it's, um, five, six acres, um,
or any other amount, um, we would need

930
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:21,199
to survey the entire property first. So,
um,

931
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,040
» okay, that's what I read, too. And I
just wanted to clarify that that is

932
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:26,520
accurate.
>> Yeah.

933
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,520
» Okay.

934
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:34,640
There's a motion on the table. I will I
will second it.

935
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:38,719
» We have a motion. Yeah. Sorry about
that.

936
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:42,320
» Just a quick clarifying comment as as
developing chair. Just want to make sure

937
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:46,800
council understands what we're asking is
obviously to invest money. But the first

938
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:51,520
part is the first question is really
basically that it's supporting that as

939
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:54,159
we move forward. uh because we certainly
wouldn't want to spend the money unless

940
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:58,800
we're able to move forward on the
project after it's been identified. So,

941
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:03,600
it's kind of a twofold twofold question.
One is is council supportive of the

942
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:10,159
project as a whole moving forward and
then part two is can we support with the

943
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:13,760
proper funding to get a boundary surv?
>> I think so. I think that's the reason

944
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,679
why we're going to vote here to see
where we're we're moving. So, I think

945
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,120
that's
>> and I think the answer to the second

946
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:22,000
question answers the first question as
well. Mhm.

947
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,800
» I want to be clear.
>> Yeah, we're clear.

948
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:29,199
» Any further discussion from council?
>> Nope.

949
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,320
» Begley,
>> I.

950
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,199
» Nightfair.
>> Hi.

951
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,320
» Lovewell.
>> Hi.

952
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:34,159
» Smith.
>> No.

953
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,239
» Watson.
>> Hi.

954
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:39,239
» Hi. Motion carries.

955
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:51,199
Item number 11 C is a consideration of
local CDBG at the uh CB. I can never say

956
01:19:49,199 --> 01:20:01,600
that. All these years I still can't say
it. C DBG application process. There we

957
01:19:55,440 --> 01:20:06,080
go. That's on page 102 of your packet.
And guess what? You're be hearing from

958
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:09,440
Eric again.
>> We should just stay standing.

959
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,880
» We don't want to.
>> No, we don't.

960
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:19,760
» No, we don't want to.
So, as we've uh developed more

961
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:23,920
thoroughly our um economic development
program and uh further business outreach

962
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:28,880
here in Caribou, um one of the tools
that we have at our disposal is uh an

963
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:31,520
incredible uh opportunity with uh the
community development block grant

964
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:35,040
program provided through the Federal
Housing and Urban Development

965
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:39,600
Administration. Um Department of Housing
and Urban Development, excuse me. Um, so

966
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:44,239
that program is specifically intended to
benefit low to moderate income jobs or

967
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:51,040
low to moderate income communities. Um,
and uh, Caribou is allowed one uh, CDBG

968
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:55,840
uh, application per program area per
year. Um, this current proposal that's

969
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:59,840
in front of the council right now is for
a to establish a formal application

970
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:07,120
process for the economic development
subprogram area of the CDBG um, uh,

971
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:11,600
programming. Um it's uh really in the
name of uh transparency, um fairness,

972
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:14,960
and giving everybody the opportunity to
be able to apply for this. Now, we have

973
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:18,560
many, many businesses that are
interested that I've talked to to apply

974
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:22,400
for economic development program funding
through the community development block

975
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:26,800
grant program. Um and this would
establish a clear process um identify a

976
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:31,280
review committee um and then the city
would be able to then choose um which

977
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:35,600
application or business to move forward
with um and uh and start the process

978
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:41,199
through with our partners at Northern
Main Development Commission. So um I've

979
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:45,199
provided a um a proposed uh program
statement and application uh for the

980
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:50,080
city council's review and happy to
answer any questions. So is this just in

981
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:53,440
lie of have we just had like first come
first serve somebody comes and ask us in

982
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:58,080
the past and we just we apply on their
behalf and this will be more like a

983
01:21:55,280 --> 01:22:01,280
competitive type project or process. Is
that correct? Okay.

984
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,239
» Consistent, repeatable.
>> Yeah, I like that.

985
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,320
» Fair.
>> I like it a lot.

986
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:09,120
» Transparent.
>> Also how like how you so fluidly say

987
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:13,040
CDBG.
You just said it. I had to look when I

988
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:18,000
said it. He said it without even
looking.

989
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:21,360
» I'm going to accept it. Any
other questions from the council?

990
01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:24,880
No.
>> What are the wishes of the council?

991
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:28,000
We'll make a motion to approve the city
of Caribou program statement,

992
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:33,360
application process, and scoring
criteria for the state of Maine. And

993
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:39,120
that I think needs to be corrected. 2026
CDBG economic development grant program.

994
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:42,800
» Second motion and second. Any further
discussion?

995
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:48,639
Second.
>> Oh, get given Paul. Well, I don't care.

996
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:50,320
Flip cord.
>> All right. Baggley.

997
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,360
» Hi.
>> Nightfair.

998
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,239
» Hi.
>> Lovewell.

999
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,520
» Hi.
>> Smith.

1000
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,719
» Hi.
>> Hi.

1001
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:59,639
» Watson.
>> Hi.

1002
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:59,639
» I. Motion carries.

1003
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:09,760
All right. Item 11D is a referendum
question on the fire department ladder

1004
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:14,159
truck on page 116 of your packet.
Chief, did you have anything you wanted

1005
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:19,880
to share with us?
questions

1006
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:19,880
had a chance to look this over

1007
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:26,080
» I guess well
>> sure

1008
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:29,120
» I just a question so I I read it here so
this is how this will be proposed on the

1009
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:34,159
referendum question
>> Mhm. And we're looking at the ladder

1010
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:42,400
truck. Um I know this has been a big
issue for us. I mean, we're talking

1011
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:46,480
two north of $2 million purchase. Uh so
this we're just going to the plan with

1012
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:52,639
this. I understand we're going to send
this to the the voters cuz it's over

1013
01:23:48,960 --> 01:24:00,560
$500,000 and then we can
council can move from there. How how we

1014
01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:05,719
fund it. if we do it in November, if uh
we can get into some of that maybe uh

1015
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:11,679
main municipal bond funding. There's
there's there's a lot of options there.

1016
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:15,360
» Yep. We looked at leasing so far and
>> leasing leasing. You you showed us uh

1017
01:24:13,679 --> 01:24:20,159
» just touched on the on the bond part of
it, but I this come up before I put any

1018
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,719
more effort into
>> Yeah, but we need

1019
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:24,800
» but this covers all of it, which is
good. Yeah,

1020
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,520
» we need to know. We need to know what
this

1021
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:35,360
» the municipal uh attorney has reviewed
it, has said it's good. [clears throat]

1022
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:40,320
» Um the 2.9 million is the maximum amount
uh that we would need for that we would

1023
01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:43,440
spend. Doesn't necessarily mean that
we're going to spend that much, but it

1024
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:48,800
just gives us some leeway
>> for the cost increase of the truck as

1025
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:53,440
time goes on. You know, so far we
haven't had any increases on the

1026
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:55,440
estimates I've been given so far, but
you know, we're still early in the game

1027
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,960
here. So,
>> we had we had some pretty good

1028
01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:02,320
estimates. We talked about about a
couple of months ago. So, I mean,

1029
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,920
they're not going to be much more than
that. I can't imagine.

1030
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,040
» Oh, hopefully not.
>> And once you get that back, you can lock

1031
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:13,280
it in, right? Is that what we discussed?
>> Yeah. Well, we just got to get the

1032
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:14,880
approval from or or potential approval
from the

1033
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,719
» citizens
>> some of the citizens.

1034
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:23,120
» So, I really like how this is written
because it talks in terms of expense,

1035
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:29,120
you know, what we're going to expend
and it gives us all of the options to

1036
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:32,800
finance it. So, congratulations to St. I
mean very well written and I think and I

1037
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:37,120
think this gives us the options that we
need

1038
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:41,679
» going forward and I I personally support
you know doing this. Will the voters

1039
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:43,760
support it? Don't know, but let's put it
out to referendum and let the voters

1040
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:48,400
decide.
>> Yeah, it's just it's a very important

1041
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:55,120
piece of equipment for the city. So,
>> it is

1042
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:57,520
very expensive, but we we need it. Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1043
01:25:55,840 --> 01:26:01,639
» Y'll
make a motion that we u

1044
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:09,040
put this on the referendum for in the
November ballot.

1045
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,800
Do
>> you need something better than that?

1046
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:17,520
» Well, and that the city council
recommends approval. Our municipal

1047
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:21,440
attorney has let us know that that also
needs to be on the ballot.

1048
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:24,800
» That's why it's down here. Like it has
to state city council recommends

1049
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,000
approval.
>> See? Yeah.

1050
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,679
» So, that would be the motion,
>> correct?

1051
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:37,600
» Well, the motion. So, um the city
>> we've we've had so many emails, so I'm

1052
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:41,920
going to defer to D
Okay.

1053
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:46,400
» The ones we've had with the CUD with
everything that has gone, you know,

1054
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:52,960
about that the city council has to
authorize it going on the ballot. Yes,

1055
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:58,480
that's part of it. And then also,
um, attorney Solomon has said that the

1056
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:02,159
question on the ballot must say that the
city council recommends approval.

1057
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:04,400
» Okay.
>> Two parts,

1058
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,639
» two votes.
>> Yes.

1059
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,800
» Okay. Thank you.
Oh, okay.

1060
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:14,719
» I mean, we would I don't think we can
put it on the ballot if you vote the

1061
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:21,120
second time that you don't approve
because that's kind of

1062
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:25,040
» contradictory. Exactly. Yeah.
>> Well, let's take a vote first on the

1063
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:28,800
approval of the expenditure and then
we'll take a vote on putting it on the

1064
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,400
referendum ballot.
>> Okay.

1065
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:35,360
» Does that work?
>> Yeah. I mean, all I know is, you know,

1066
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:40,480
to follow the law, which is what we need
to do because we have no grace in not

1067
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:47,120
following the law, that we need to make
sure, per our attorney's advice, that

1068
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:50,880
the the council needs to vote that it's
going to go on the referendum and that

1069
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:54,880
they recommend approval. Whatever order
you want to do that in is fine.

1070
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,520
» It's just a we one motion. If someone
wanted to do it that way,

1071
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:01,199
» that's I think that's the one that's
making it. Well, you may have some

1072
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:06,080
people who don't approve that still want
it on the referendum is is what that is

1073
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:11,360
what I am. So, would you like to amend
>> picking up what is being put down?

1074
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:15,520
» How about we just
>> two motions? So, our our our council

1075
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:18,239
secretary has said two motions is
better. So,

1076
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:24,480
» okay, I'll make the first approval
first. Authorization to purchase a

1077
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:31,360
replacement area ladder truck
as stated here

1078
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:34,000
» up to 2,900,000
or 29

1079
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,920
» of a replacement aerial ladder truck
together with

1080
01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:40,880
» together with all necessary equipment
and accessories for the Caribou and Fire

1081
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:45,920
Analyst Department to be funded by any
combination of municipal funds, reserve

1082
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:51,679
grants, the issuance of bonds, lease
purchase or bank financing as determined

1083
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,360
by the city council. Does that work?
>> I second that.

1084
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,280
» Great.
>> Yep.

1085
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:56,560
» That's great. Ryan, any further
discussion?

1086
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,159
» Nope.
>> Baggley

1087
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,199
» I.
>> Nightfair.

1088
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:00,080
» I.
>> Lovewell.

1089
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:02,000
» Hi.
>> Smith.

1090
01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:03,120
» I.
>> Watson.

1091
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:09,040
» I.
>> I. Motion carries. So now we need to

1092
01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:12,400
make a motion to that we approve
>> make a motion

1093
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:16,080
» that we that we include
the statement that the city council

1094
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:19,679
» How about
>> recommends approval? How about this? I

1095
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:25,199
make a motion.
>> You make the motion

1096
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:30,320
» that as the council, we move to make
sure the statement is included. The city

1097
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:33,600
council recommends approval. Is that
good enough, Danielle? Does that get you

1098
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:35,280
across finish line?
>> Okay.

1099
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,320
» We've already done that though in our
previous

1100
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,719
» I second that.
>> I think so.

1101
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:41,840
» I know. We're just technically we're
just making the lawyer

1102
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:46,880
» vote that this should be on should
appear on a as a referendum question.

1103
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:50,080
» That's simple. Yeah, because the first
one you guys basically gave the

1104
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:53,040
approval. Correct. We need something to
put it on the ballot.

1105
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,280
» Correct. Just recommendation that you
put it on.

1106
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:58,639
» Yeah. Put a recommend. Make a motion.
Put it on the ballot.

1107
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:01,199
» That's all that's needed.
>> I think I think second

1108
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,560
» November election.
>> Get a second.

1109
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,520
» Yep.
>> Motion in a second. Any further

1110
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:07,920
discussion?
>> God. No. Let's move.

1111
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:09,199
» Baggley.
>> I.

1112
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:11,280
» Nightfair.
>> I. Love.

1113
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:12,800
» I. Smith.
>> Of course.

1114
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,159
» Watson.
>> I.

1115
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:21,760
» I. Motion carries. Look at us. We're all
motioned up. All right.

1116
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:27,440
Item 12, reports and discussion by mayor
and council members. [clears throat]

1117
01:30:24,719 --> 01:30:33,920
» Council Watson,
this point, no. Just make sure to show

1118
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:38,320
up at the airport on Saturday.
>> Saturday.

1119
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:42,080
» 11 to 6. That's stealing Dan's thunder,
but it's my bar, so I'm going to keep

1120
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:48,760
pitching it. So, it makes your thunder,
too. So, I would like to see everybody

1121
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,760
show up.

1122
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:54,800
That's all I have.
>> Councilor Nightmare,

1123
01:30:53,360 --> 01:31:00,880
» Deputy Mayor.
>> Uh, yeah. I'm I'm not going to go too

1124
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:06,320
deep into the ocean on this one, but uh
we're talking about uh referendums and I

1125
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:12,480
something I'd like we can talk about
maybe at the next meeting is uh moving

1126
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:18,000
toward the fiscal year. I I think that's
the direction we need to be going and it

1127
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:23,520
needs to be on the ballot. So I if
anyone wants to beat me over the head

1128
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:28,159
side in the yard later
good at it. But uh I think that should

1129
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:31,600
be on there as well. And we have I
believe until the end of September.

1130
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,800
» No.
>> No.

1131
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:38,000
» The first Friday in September. So you're
too late.

1132
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:41,760
» I'm too late. Well, unless we do a paper
ballot.

1133
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:45,520
» We're not doing that. Too late.
>> Too late for that, too. I know. I know I

1134
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:49,760
am, but um [laughter]
>> Well, then uh

1135
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:54,320
» maybe something to set your sights on
for next year, Deputy Mayor Smith.

1136
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:59,679
» Well, I'll set my sights on it for a
long time, but uh um

1137
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:07,239
Okay.
We can do it in June, right?

1138
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,239
Is that acceptable?

1139
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:17,679
It depends on the council.
So, okay. So, we don't have any.

1140
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:20,719
Okay, I'll drop my voice.
>> Councelor Lovewell.

1141
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:26,960
» Um, you know, I actually just want to go
back and touch base on the letter we

1142
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:31,520
received from Scott Far and then I think
councelor Nightfair actually touched on

1143
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:35,760
it last meeting about the safety and the
kids on some of these ebikes and things

1144
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:41,199
like that.
Um, and the traffic that's traveling

1145
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:45,040
down Colin Street is ridiculous. I mean,
we see people going 80, 90 miles an

1146
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:51,120
hour, and we do call them in, but you
know, what good does that do when

1147
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:56,000
somebody's killed or injured? Um, I I I
do think that this is maybe a subject we

1148
01:32:52,960 --> 01:33:00,719
need to look at a little more closely.
Um, I'm not sure if maybe making a

1149
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:03,760
four-way stop at Prospect and and
Collins would help to slow people down

1150
01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:10,159
because they're going to have to come to
a stop. um because we see a lot of speed

1151
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:14,080
picked up through there. Um but
apparently it's going in all kinds of

1152
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:18,560
different directions as well. So just
knowing there's a lot of people out

1153
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:23,520
walking uh pets with their families with
small children and just kids on bikes

1154
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:30,159
and scooters and ebikes, I I really do
think that this is a a valuable topic to

1155
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:36,480
look at here, right? Right now is as
good as any. But yeah, just put that in

1156
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:40,239
your wheelhouses.
>> So just a correction for the record,

1157
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:44,159
you're referring to the email that was
from Larry Knight.

1158
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:48,719
» Scott Bears was about the
>> Oh, I'm sorry. City official.

1159
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:53,120
» You are right. Yes.
>> I had a fair and a night and I just

1160
01:33:51,099 --> 01:33:59,760
[laughter] another night.
>> A fair, a night, and a night fair.

1161
01:33:57,199 --> 01:34:04,400
» Exactly. Yes. Thank you for that,
>> Councelor Baggley. No, nothing further.

1162
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:08,320
» I got one more. I've got one more thing
here. If we're going to regard this

1163
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:12,440
fiscal year and it's something we can
look on next year. Um,

1164
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:20,400
and as Danielle has said, we don't have
time to get it onto the ballot in the

1165
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:25,280
time if we don't make a formal vote
this evening. And I'll make a motion

1166
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:31,840
that we put on the ballot the question
to receive. Should

1167
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:37,719
the city of Caribou
move

1168
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:37,719
towards a fiscal year

1169
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:42,639
and then we'll let that [snorts]
determine.

1170
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:48,280
I don't know if I'll get any traction on
that, but if I don't, that's fine. And

1171
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,280
then I'll

1172
01:34:54,400 --> 01:35:03,840
No second, so I'll drop it. Thank you.
Okay,

1173
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:09,679
so our next regular meeting is September
21st, 2026. We do have executive

1174
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:13,360
sessions on the agenda for this evening.
The first being

1175
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:18,480
economic development. What are the
wishes of the council? I move that we go

1176
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:23,199
into executive session for economic
development pursuant to 1 MRSA

1177
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:28,400
subsection 405.6.C
for hospital district.

1178
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:32,960
Have a motion
second.

1179
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:36,320
» Have a second. Two seconds.
Any further discussion?

1180
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,760
Baggley
>> I.

1181
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,639
» Nightfair
>> I.

1182
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:40,560
» Lovewell
>> I.

1183
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,840
» Smith
>> I.

1184
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,280
» Watson
>> I

1185
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:49,440
» I motion carries. So, this will conclude
the public portion of our meeting this

1186
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:53,440
evening. Thank you all for being here.
We'll take a quick break. Everyone,

1187
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:57,280
please turn off your microphones.
>> Right. But I mean, that was all about

1188
01:35:55,120 --> 01:36:01,880
referendum and the process. He was
talking all about the process. Yeah.

1189
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:09,159
» I didn't see this on the fire station.
>> No, my brain was on track,

1190
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:09,159
» right?

1191
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,440
» Oh, yeah.

1192
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:26,360
Where the heck you want to do this?
>> Yeah.

1193
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:26,360
» So, you want to put it in that area.