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We're patiently waiting and hope
hopefully voting.

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» All right, let's uh go get a picture to
take.

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» Thank you so much for what for your
gift. Thank

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» youate.

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It's a workshop. Everybody
weren't prepared.

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» I'm just come over here.
>> I can get behind you for sure.

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» You want to get up here?
>> You let Vince, come on, Vince.

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» Ready,

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» Vince? Get up here.

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Thank you so much,
>> man.

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» That's right.

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» That's an official.
>> If you're going to give us gifts, we're

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happy to take your picture, sir. Thank
you so much, guys.

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» Appreciate you.
>> This is part of the fun.

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» So easy. I got the motor.
>> She will let us know.

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» He said fully loaded. That includes the
motor.

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motors and everything. This one's empty
right now.

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» Yes, sir. Thank you guys.
>> Get out of here.

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» All right.

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Got you.

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Ed, we should talked about those marsh
cameras since we're talking about

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Freeman Park yesterday.

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» Thank you guys again.
>> Thank you so much.

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» Great presentation.
>> That was really good.

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» All right, Bruce, they're giving us
gifts. What are you giving us?

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» All right. Uh, next up is uh on the
agenda is renewal of the parking

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management agreement with Pivot Parking.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um

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before you start, I do have one
question.

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» We don't review any other contracts.
Those are your discretion. That's your

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job. Uh we set budget and spending
obviously. I'm just that's the way the

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government's organized. Why is this one
on our agenda?

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» Either I have the authority to enter
agreements or I bring them to you in a

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consent form on the consent agenda. This
is the one contract that we bring to you

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just just cuz it's parking and um you've
heard about

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» I'm not against it. I just was trying to
>> Normally I'd put a contract like this on

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the consent agenda for approval, but
since it is parking and it gets talked

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about, I thought it'd be best to present
it to the council.

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» I'm okay with that.
>> All right.

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All right. Yes. And the reason we're
doing it now is um the contract with

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Pivot expires this year and if we don't
renew it, we need to go to an RFP

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request for proposals and we need to
start that process immediately. So, I'd

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want to um [clears throat] get council's
input and um discuss the next steps.

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And as you got in the memo I sent you,
that is the town staff's recommendation

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that we renew the contract. And we'll go
through why as we go through this. Um

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Okay.
>> Yeah. And here's a little background. In

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2021, we limited our agreement with Reef
due to um the maintenance and revenue

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issues. We terminated that early. We had
to do a little payout. Um we did the

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two-year agreement with um Pivot with
two automatic two-year renewals. We

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could all, you know, get gotten out of
those with uh 90-day notices, but we

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continue to do that. Since there Pivot's
made some good changes. Um, we've, you

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know, working with us, removing all the
pay stations and meters, expand texting.

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It's completely a digital program now,
which is great. Um, and then this year,

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Pivot has added the new thing. It's the
one of a kind in the country, Pivot Go

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app, that can determine if you're if
you're say in Monkey Junction and you're

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deciding which beach to go to, you can
look and say, "Wow, Rightful's full. I

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think I'll go to Carolina Beach." They
got some spaces down there. It shows you

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the occupancy of the different lots. So,
that's a great addition to it and

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hopefully drove some um some customers
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Here's a little background of the um our
income since going with Pivot. Um you

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know, it's been steady. I didn't put on
what we did before, but it's a

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significant increase from what we had
with Reef and the previous parking

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companies that we worked with. So, it's
done that. Freeman Park, you will see

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there's been some dip in that. A lot of
that has to do with less beach since um

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2022. We've lost more and more sand.
Should be interesting this year and that

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we have more sand to see what those
numbers are. So, um,

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» how does how does that Bruce You want us
to ask you questions now?

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» That's fine. Yeah.
>> How does this uh fit with what the

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projections were? I don't see them.
>> Oh, I didn't have the projection. Yeah,

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the budget numbers are right there with
projections or exceeding. So except piv

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I mean premium park I think there's a
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but that's like I said beach and weather
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» interested in the lots.
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» met the metrics.
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about every year. So
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of the things the improvements we've
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added with pivot um part of the original
agreement we had them do and we've had

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replacements. Um those were costs we
incurred one of them. We incurred one.

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They they ate the cost. Uh but the pivot
goes we're real excited about. Um there

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another thing that's not on here just
recently we moved Pivot's offices in

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town hall which was been a major
customer service improvement for them

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and for us. Um half the time of our um
Sheila and Nyla and and Kim get called

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out there. It's a parking question that
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to go get answered. So now they're in
house doing that. Um customer service in

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general, they have really PIV has really
become an ambassador to the town.

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They've become part of the town staff
family. They work closely with us, work

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well with us. We've heard um you know
there's been complaints in the past, but

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they've gone down dramatically. I've
actually get more um applause for them

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than I do negative comments. I get
people thanking them for this on the

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stuff, how they helped um in particular
Stephen, the manager here, how he's

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helped people. And for example, during
PTC8 when we suspended parking, their

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staff was out there helping assisting
citizens in in Carolina Beach move stuff

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out of their homes, get out of cars,
doing different things. They helped

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staff do different things. They they
really picked it up and um showed

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they're committed to the town. So,

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another thing looking at that the
company is local which is also a

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benefit. They manage not only Carolina
Beach, they do Wilmington, Surf City, um

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there's several I can't remember North
Myrtle Beach and they do some others

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too. There's a local company with um so
if there's, you know, shortage here of

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employees, they got places to pull from.
So, it's always staffed and we always

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have a um a lot of help when we need it.
So this year when I I told them we we

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had to either renew or we're going out
for a um request for proposals and so I

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sat down with Pivot and we talked about
different items um what we want to see

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um we knew we needed a new license plate
reader um they proposed a new magnetic

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one and I think the cost of that was
around $20,000 um and then um they

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agreed when we negotiated said I didn't
want to have any capital I didn't budget

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for any capital this year so they're
going to eat the cost on the capital

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that they did say I talked about the one
issue we hear about them is people

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accuse them of being incentivized to
write tickets. Um they've changed the

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agreement this year. They will not
receive any revenue off tickets. We'll

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still get you know the the money from
that but it takes any any accusations

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that they're doing this to write to make
money so for writing tickets. So that

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that is gone. the the annual threshold
for the variable management fee does

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drop, but it still comes up to a $20,000
positive to the town is what we

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estimate.
Um, so that was a big thing. And then as

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we'll get a little more into this, the
Freeman Park Automation, we've been

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talking about that for years, how we
done it. We've worked with them and and

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finally came up a solution. Um, it'll be
u um I'll give you more details, but

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this new system is, you know, expected
cost $45 to $50,000 capital investment.

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I told once again, I said, "We don't
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said they would they would fund it. But
that's the reason I made those requests,

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but their request was if we're going to
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more than two years to recoup our
investment. So that's why they've had

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asked for an additional three-year
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» So Bruce, I have a question on one of
the great things about it's a bad thing

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and a good thing sometimes depending on
your angle, but one of the great things

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about being a municipality is
everything's public. Information is

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public. So I was asked the question
should we go out for bid basically RF

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RFP to shop the market.
The all the competing contracts are

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publicly available. I mean we can go
look at all the surrounding areas and

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the various companies and what deal if
you want to call it that they get.

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» So have you seen anything to indicate
that there's an opportunity for us to

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save money? Are we competitive? Is Pivot
competitive? What's what's your opinion

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on that?
>> I think they're very competitive and I I

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think it's reflected by how many of the
local towns do use them. Um the city of

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Wilmington had a you know I'm sure
extensive um vetting of their things and

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then they went with Pivot. Um and same
with Riceville Beach and Surf City and

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some others. Um but we've looked around
and it's not always apples to apples.

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Everybody does a little different. Um we
had one proposal last time we did this.

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their way of enforcement was putting a a
device on your window that you couldn't

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get removed till you paid your ticket. I
mean, everybody's got might have made a

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lot of money. I don't know, but um
they're not always apples apples, but

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just looking at everything else, this is
um as good as I've seen. And I think our

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numbers show what we had before and what
we have now. So, the other reason to go

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out for an RFP would be that you were
dissatisfied with service or you thought

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someone else could offer some service
that we're not getting.

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» Correct.
>> Any Have you seen anything out there?

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I'm just trying to figure out what the
advantage is to me as a town to go out

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to RFP.
>> And I I will have a slide on that, but

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the RFP
>> I'm sorry if I'm getting ahead of you.

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No, but I'll go and say I mean the you
could there's the potential to save to

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make more money to um lessen expenses
and bring in more revenue. That is a

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potential with RFP um going out, but
there's also risk involved um that you

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know it may not be that way. We may go
out there and we didn't realize what

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kind of deal we had. That could be a
risk. You could also there's some some

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learning curves. You're going to there's
going to be a lot of capital up front.

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You have to replace signage. They may
use different technology. That means the

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citizens and people who use it are going
to have to learn that. We're going to

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have to learn that. There's the the
medit,

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you know, vendors who work with these
groups may be completely different. We

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got to learn and use all those. So,
there's a lot of changes that could cost

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more money. We don't know. I mean,
sometimes the numbers just based on the

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proposals will show
we'll bring you this much revenue, but

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they're not looking at our expenses.
They here's much revenue we bring. but

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they may have a whole bunch of different
called MIDS um different vendors they

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use that charge us a lot more money. So
it's it's hard to evaluate that and

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that's one of the reason the issues we
left Reef when not only was um some of

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the revenue wasn't meeting what we had
projected but there were the customer

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service issues and different issues. So
we that's when we exited that contract

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and this even with this contract we
still have a a 90-day out if we a point

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we don't think it's performing.
So go ahead, P. Sorry.

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» Can we gather some of that information
that's publicly available, what other

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towns are paying,
>> kind of the benchmark without going out

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and doing a full RFP
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» and say, you know, kind of like what we
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session. Here's
>> here's what we're paying. Here's the

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services that we're getting versus um
peer group companies.

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» Just a comparative chart mean just
>> we could look at that. um it's sort of

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in a time crunch because if we don't do
something we're going to um I need to

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start the RFP process.
>> Yeah. I'm not saying formal RFP. I'm

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just saying, you know, it it might be
helpful for people out there to see, you

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know, this is what we're getting. You
know, one of the things over my career

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was, you know, we it was generally a
practice to go out and bid this stuff

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every every few years. Um but also if
you have a true partner that you're

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working with,
>> right? uh that kind of mitigates that to

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some extent and obviously they're put
they've got, you know, they're putting

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skin in the game themselves.
>> Uh we obviously don't have the time to

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do it now,
>> right?

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» The only concern that I might have is
the three-year term and I know, you

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know, we're getting something back in
return for that, but in two years from

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now, our parking landscape, you know,
could potentially change.

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Um, you know, is there the opportunity
when we have more clarity on what the

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boardwalk is going to look like to, you
know, relook at that before the

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three-year period is up?
>> Yeah. Yeah, we can. And like I said, we

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do have the there's a 90-day out, so we
could always do that. Um, but yeah, I

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will put try to get
>> there attached to that though, Bruce. Is

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there a buy?
>> There would be if we if we left early,

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some of this capital would have to we
would be it would be for equipment

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that's going to be would be staying with
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» Yeah. amateurize any equipment that we
we keep. They're going to put the

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investment in it. Um but that's why they
had the third year. If it we go out out

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earlier, we would have to repay some of
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» But we we went through that with RE.
>> Right. Exactly. Yeah. Bruce, you

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that costs have changed which and I I'm

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only there's one that sticks in my mind
because it was very painful at the time

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was um the parking system, if you will,
comes with the vendor. we do not own

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that
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» and when we shifted before I don't think
any of us saw the issues that were going

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to come about and the one issue this is
a very simple one but it's an easy one

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to understand was the way their system
worked our staff was tr not properly

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trained or to that they don't respect
dashes and tags and so we issued a whole

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bunch of permits typed in the tags with
the dashes in them and a bunch of people

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got tickets right
>> and then we had to retrain I think they

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fixed that in the system since then. But
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change because how you get how you buy
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permits, all that becomes new. Are there
other I know that is fact. My question

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to you is are there other things like
that that that I mean you're going to be

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swap wholesale swapping out to go to
someone else. Right.

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» Right. Yeah. There's a lot of unforeseen
you don't we can't even think about

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right now that that came up last time
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led to a lot of the complaints we had
because it was not only you know they

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were doing their job but um these are
our rules we forget that they're not the

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ones creating these rules and some of
they get some unfair criticism whatever

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parking company because they're our
rules and our rates that we adopt but in

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the management of that there's different
process different fees and different

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things that do cause confusion when you
switch. Um, not to say that's the um

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only reason to stay with Pivot, but
there are unforeseen things that come up

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and did come up last time that we
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frustrations.
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» yeah, the other thing that happened last
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then, happens all the time. But um even
if we go with a new company, other than

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the people who have non-competes, which
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people, I don't know what their business
practices are, you're going to end up

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with the exact same people in the job
because the new company's just going to

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hire the same people. So you're going to
have the same people in the street

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» enforcing the same rules. The rules
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» Correct.
>> Yeah. So yeah,

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» it sounds like a lot of change to me.
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what you've gotten out of this is the
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» Mhm.
>> Because if there was one piece that was

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always, you know, the biggest complaint
I'm sure was tickets that were written

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erroneously,
>> right?

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» And you know, I always thought that
there should have been a penalty

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involved in it for pivot. If any ticket
was, you know, found, you know, to be

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erroneously written,
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penalty for that. This takes away that
incentive to write those tickets, which

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I think is a huge benefit. I think that
goes a long way towards goodwill with

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town residents and visitors and
everything.

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» I think that's a that's a big win right
there.

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» I think that will help. I agree with
Vince. I think that will help in regards

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to overall visitor experience.
>> Yeah.

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» I think it'll take a while to trickle
through, but I know you've heard things,

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» right?
>> Good job on doing that.

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» Yeah. Thanks,
>> Bruce. I I got I I jumped in and

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everybody else jumped in with me midway
of your presentation.

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» Oh, no worries. No worries. Um like
that's the negotiated terms. Um as far

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as Freeman Park, the automation, we're
pretty excited about that. We've taught

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different ideas. We've talked about um
all kinds of different this the way this

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one would work would use the license
plate reader technology and have two

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arms on the entrance and exit. You would
buy your ticket here. You'll see it says

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15 minutes before. We want to encourage
people to buy it beforehand. Before you

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get there, speed the process up. You go
in, you enter your data, your license

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plate, you get there, the camera read
it, gate would open, you go in. If you

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have a season pass, read your license
plate, you go in. Um, if you do by

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chance forget to buy it, there'll be a
window of lane you can pull over to the

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side to buy the ticket and get input
your stuff, circle back around, and get

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in. Um, it will also read it on the way
out. So, it gives us data we can use in

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the future about, you know, what's the
average um, stay in Freeman Park. Um,

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and it also help us when we open and
close Freedom Park. We had, you know,

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300 cars go in, but no one's come out.
We may need to look at closing. And it

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will be on the Go Pivot app, the Pivot
Go app. So, if you're planning to come

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down to get on free park, you can look
on. It's at 90% capacity. I might wait

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till it slows down a little bit. And you
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or through the the website.
>> So, how do you do that now? I mean, I

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guess it's just visual
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» In other words, you just No, I mean, how
do you when you have to close for a

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storm or something like that? Is it I
mean not for storm for crowds

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overcrowding. Is that just um
>> someone goes up there and says well it

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looks crowded and we'll close it and
then you don't really know when to open

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it. You go back and take another visual.
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» the staff person who's maning the gate
sort of keeps track but also our PD will

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go out there and say
>> it's getting a little too too crowded to

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manage right now.
>> But this way you could say we think we

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have a capacity of X whatever that is
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» and currently there's X plus 10. So we
need to think about is that what you

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» Yeah, exactly. So we'll know we can put
some parameters when we get to 90%

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capacity, you know, or if it's
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count tickets that way.
>> Right. Exactly.

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» With this automated.
>> Yep.

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» The only thing about taking the human
aspect from it is you don't have that

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person who says you can't take that ATV
out on this beach.

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» True.
>> That's the problem. True.

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» Because I know every Sunday there there
have been ATVs, not the police.

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» Yeah.
>> Riding on Yeah. pass a pinch point.

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Yeah, I see them. So,
>> yeah, and they can have a license

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weight, too. Um, we will probably still
man this like on, you know, Saturdays,

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Sundays in the summer, busy days, just
for those type reasons. You just got a

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lot of and to help manage it and in case
there's any backups.

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» But with that, um, we still expect to
save, um, was it I think 45 $50,000 I

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had the number in labor cost. 35 to
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» 40,000.
>> Yeah. 30 to 35 to 40,000 in labor cost

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is what we estimate we'll save
>> because of staff you won't have to have

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the periods you won't have as staff
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» does this also and I don't even know if
this is true but I've I've heard that uh

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there are folks out there that
understand the hours and they

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» they go out there before hours so they
don't have to pay exactly

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» is that true or
>> Yeah we do we know um we changed the

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hours of what we man it because we had
um we were maning I believe from 9 to 9

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or whatever like Well, the majority a
ton of people are going out there at 7

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just getting their spot.
>> They're earlier than seven. I can tell

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you that on Sundays because I'm there at
5:30 in the morning.

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» Yeah. So, they're there. So, this
>> there's no enforcement of that right

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now. They just honor system, I guess,
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out and see who paid and who didn't.
>> Nope. So, this would we think hopefully

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increase revenue free park? I know. Um
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» The more the busier it is, the more
expenses we have, too. So it's I don't

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think it's not the the cash generating
tool that everybody thinks it is. But um

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» so what's the total capital outlay for
if you add those things up?

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» I think it's um
>> 30 grand.

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» Yeah. In capital outlay it's um 50 to I
mean 70 about 70,000 but then other

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savings you got another 20,000 in um the
citation

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» 130.
>> Yeah. So yeah overall 330 in savings

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with
>> but that capital outlay is going to come

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from pivoted.
>> Correct. Yes,

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» correct. That we do not spend.
>> So that's and in their if I'm sitting in

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their shoes, which is typical for
contracts

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in anything, they're probably saying,
"Hey, I'm spending $100,000.

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I need three years to recover my money."
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we can exit. I'm trying to figure out
what our liability is. So if in if we

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agree to three years and we want to
exit, we can still exit after. As Vince

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said, the boardwalk parking may change
around who who knows what two years from

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now looks like. But then is there some
agreed to annual? How much of that is it

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allocate or is it
>> how would they come up with a price that

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we owe them?
>> They would take the the cost and

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amaturize it over three years or
whatever what's left of the term.

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» Okay. Okay. So, they take that amount,
divide it by

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» however many months,
>> and then that's how much we owe out.

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Okay, that seems fair.
>> All right. All right. Um I think the

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next few slides are something we've
pretty much

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» I'm sorry. [laughter]
>> That's bad.

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» I'm bad about jumping ahead.
>> Case for competitive bidding.

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» Hey, Bruce, could you do one thing
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what the annual revenue threshold means.
Actually, [cough]

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» that's when [clears throat] we reach the
um let me get

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that's where you know we pay a flat
parking management fee $1,850 a a month

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I believe to pivot when the um
[clears throat] when we get to the total

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revenue of um our annual threshold of
three um 237,500

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they will get an 8 and a half% basically
incentive fee a bonus or that's their

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that's their commission.
after that

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» on the amount above that. Right. So
they're not getting anything if if this

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year we did 3.3 million.
>> Right.

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» Right.
>> All they get is $1850 a month.

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» Right.
>> Period.

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» Right.
>> Then above that is when the eight and a

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half kicks in. Correct.
>> Okay.

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» Just make sure I understand.
>> But the eight and a half's based on what

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is above that threshold,
>> right? Yeah. Start making Yeah.

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So, um, yeah, just went over that. The,
um, Freeman Park, the next slides are

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about the competitive bidding and, you
know, what's good and what's bad about

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it. Um, typically like, um, Councilman
Lceto said, you we we try to do that. We

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do it uh, usually with GFL and and waste
management, although depending on what

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we're seeing on that one, too. just been
because if we're seeing other people

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getting a lot better rate that we
definitely do it um we've done it for

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our own like healthcare we did this year
we do things so um just depending what

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the market but if we have a good like
you said a good partner it makes a world

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of difference we've we've renewed with
GFL before just

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» because the rate we saw the rates
similar and we know the hassle of

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getting new trash cans and new billing
and everything else but

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» that is a huge advantage to a public
entity

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» right
>> is that you have that because I can tell

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you on the private sector we don't know
what our competitors are getting on

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insurance supplies and landscaping
services and all that because it's not

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shared.
>> So you said I'm sorry. Go ahead.

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» No, I was just I'm jealous because I
have to deal with this in the in my

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private job and I I have to guess or get
inside knowledge or try to get people to

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tell me what are they paying. Uh it's
hard to do but I hear it's all publicly

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available.
>> Sorry Wayne, I didn't mean to cut you

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off.
>> No. Uh, you said you did renew GFL this

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year.
>> No, I I have we have to evaluate that. I

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think that renewal is coming up in the
next year, I believe. Brian,

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» and anecdotally, and not that I use
Facebook as a source for anything, but

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there was actually a post this morning
of a resident that has done that

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research on competing towns and
everything.

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» I saw that.
>> And our rates are favorable to everybody

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else
>> per his research, not our research. res

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now.
>> Interesting.

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» Do Facebook, but I'll have to go get
somebody to share that with me.

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» Take a picture of that one.
>> All right. So, that's um it's up to

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council to either renew this contract
with Pivot Park and that's what I'm

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requesting approval to renew.
>> So, do you need consensus or you need a

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motion?
>> I need I would need a motion.

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» So, let me try and see. I'll start and
you guys can we can still debate all you

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want. Um,
I'll make a motion to approve the

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contract with Pivot Parking. Can I just
say as you presented it the terms that

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you presented or do you want me to read
them?

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» All right. So, motion on the floor now.
Further discussion.

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» So, the only thing I'm going to say,
especially being on this side, parking

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has always been it's always been an
issue, right? But I think Pippet has

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done a great job and and I rate it by
how many complaints or how many people

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that we talk to on a regular basis. And
I'll be honest with you, this year it

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was hardly anything.
>> Zero for me.

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» So So my point is
>> how many you had? I'm curious. I

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» I only had one and it was
>> Well, I had one, but it's incredible.

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» But they were guilty.
>> Well, the one for me was because

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somebody the attendant didn't fit the
right parking lot in.

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» Yeah. Usually it's some kind of error.
Not

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malicious or anything. It's always some
kind of user on the customer or the

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attendant like we had one recently where
they forgot to switch what lot they were

408
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,720
in and accidentally wrote some over the
past.

409
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,880
» That's that was mine.
>> Yeah.

410
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,079
» And those errors are going to happen no
matter who you hire.

411
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,440
» Yeah.
>> Plus, I do like the fact that Pivot is

412
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:13,119
working with us.
>> They truly are. And they're, you know,

413
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:18,640
this is a give and take partnership. So
the only thing that comes to my head is

414
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:23,119
is if it's not broken, why fix it?
>> I mean, it's as simple as that.

415
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:28,000
» You have to identify benefits.
>> I've actually witnessed pivot people

416
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:32,319
actually prevent residents from getting
tickets. You know, I've been sitting at

417
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:36,640
CBGB sometimes and residents pull in and
they're parked on the line

418
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:39,119
» and one of the attendants has actually
gone over to them and said, you know,

419
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,920
you might want to straighten out your
vehicle.

420
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,720
» Yeah. So, you know, that kind of stuff
goes a long way with visitors.

421
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:46,880
» That's a benefit of a longer
relationship.

422
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:50,400
» Yeah. And a lot of credit goes in the
back of the room back there. Stephen Zer

423
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:54,640
is our local manager here and he has
really heard council, heard staff like

424
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:58,240
be true ambassadors and they they've
taken that um in hand and and taken it

425
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,520
seriously.
>> The complaints have definitely Jay and I

426
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:06,960
have been with this from the very
beginning with pivot this relationship

427
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:10,000
with Pivot and watched it. It was rocky.
>> Rocky versus Rocky fair. kind [laughter]

428
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,640
of rocky.
>> Um,

429
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:17,359
» as
the one still sitting here who came in

430
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:22,880
at the end of accepting pivots uh
transition, it was uh rocky to say the

431
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,880
least. So, they do deserve a little, you
know,

432
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,839
» but I will say, so I will say this,
mayor, I

433
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:31,520
» coming into this this morning, I was
like, there's no way I'm going to agree

434
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:36,079
to a three-year contract. But knowing
that we have an exit strategy that's

435
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:40,960
basically based on capital improvements
that would transfer to the town should

436
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:46,880
we exit with 90 with a 90-day clause. I
think that's um I too you know we I

437
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:51,839
asked I think it was Benson and I asked
that they call themselves ambassadors

438
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:56,319
instead of parking attendants and I
think they have gone uh to more of an

439
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:00,000
ambassador role. I've seen them I've
actually I walk every morning so I see

440
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:04,240
them out talking to people in the
parking lots instead of just writing a

441
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:07,920
ticket. So and the fact that if we go
with this three years then they will no

442
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:10,640
longer be getting incentives for writing
tickets. I am very happy about that.

443
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,480
very happy.
>> Yeah, I'd like to say a good job. I did

444
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,720
a bunch of chicken scratch here while
we're going just so uh we can all be on

445
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:25,359
the record.
Staff's recommending this. I'm going to

446
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:29,920
vote for uh mayor's motion, but I'll
give you some reasons. I like to have a

447
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:35,680
basis in why I'm say I'm doing one thing
or another. Um

448
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:41,839
that's a hold over from the board of
adjustments. They met the ME metrics

449
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:49,040
projections. uh essentially what they
said they could do, they delivered and

450
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:53,680
they continue to do it. If we get out of
the one we have or go to RFP and we're

451
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:57,440
to choose somebody else,
we know we're going to have to spend a

452
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:03,119
lot of money and have a lot of
aggravation. That aggravation is going

453
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:08,720
to come at a time when we have a ton of
infrastructure work. I anticipate

454
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:14,079
there'll be some displacement of parking
during that infrastructure. I'm not sure

455
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:20,400
it would be the best time to not uh to
be working with someone new. Uh I'm

456
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:24,960
inclined to take their the concessions
that they're offering and good job on

457
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:29,520
those concessions like the LPR. You
didn't get into you said we paid for one

458
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:33,920
LPR and they ate the other one because
you didn't have have the budget for it.

459
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:39,599
Good job on that as well. love the fact
that you took them out of or they agreed

460
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:44,800
and you agreed to be not part of the
incentives on the tickets. But I I

461
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:52,640
really believe there is a 90-day exit,
but I really believe the best time to

462
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:57,200
negotiate will be when we own and
control those nine parcels. That will

463
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:02,319
change the landscape
of any bid we get. It will change the

464
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:06,960
landscape of how we look at things.
It'll probably change the landscape of

465
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:12,960
where residents may now be able to go
back to and park as they did before

466
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:17,359
before the acco requirements. So, I
think the best time to do that is when

467
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:22,960
we have the maximum we fully believe and
intend to close on those lots. And so, I

468
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:27,920
think when we have that
uh opportunity, I think we'll get more

469
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:32,720
competitive bids then than we will. and
we know that that's just short of two

470
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:35,839
years any or three years anyway with the
90-day out. I'm going to support the

471
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,440
motion the mayor.
>> So, there's one other topic I think we

472
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:46,480
need to bring up just so we clear the
air on this. Um, and I'm throwing a

473
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:52,720
wrench in this. Uh, people have have
talked about bringing it inhouse

474
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:58,400
and can you explain why that would not
be a good idea? Uh we've talked and and

475
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Ed Ed and I both agree we could manage
it. Um but several reasons I think it

476
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:07,760
would be could be problematic. I think
they're parking experts. They do this

477
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,119
for a living. That this would be just
something we'd be creating and we'd

478
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:16,800
probably hire the same employees as the
mayor mentioned earlier um to get that

479
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:23,599
knowledge. Um, but then I think there
would be some un unfair pressures on

480
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:28,800
staff if it's, you know, separating them
from the town about parking tickets. Um,

481
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:32,000
not the mayor would do this, but the
mayor friend got a ticket. Hey, you

482
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,319
know, you
>> never they're paying.

483
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:39,520
» Yeah. A future mayor might or may little
>> my husband got a ticket. He's paying it.

484
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,359
» Plus, you know, plus the cost of
insurance, the cost. I mean, it's just

485
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:46,480
not that's why other cities don't do it.
cost of the software engineering.

486
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,040
» There you go.
>> That's the highest ticket right there,

487
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,920
isn't it, M?
>> That was exactly where I was going. The

488
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:59,520
biggest issue is, and I don't mean any
disrespect from this, Bruce, but I do

489
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:04,480
not have confidence in your staff's
ability to select a software system and

490
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:08,800
manage and run it, right,
>> to run parking. And that is no

491
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:15,760
disrespect to you. And pay for it.
>> Yeah. And so I'm more on the system side

492
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:19,599
than the people side from my standpoint.
Now, could you get there? Absolutely. I

493
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:23,520
think you guys could could work up to
that at some point. But right out of the

494
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:26,800
gate, just to say, "Hey, in 90 days,
we're going to go start sourcing systems

495
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,440
and install them.
>> It's not

496
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:34,880
» and and the personnel cost, as Jay
mentioned, um labor cost for uh private

497
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:36,480
sector is a lot cheaper than labor costs
for municipal government."

498
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,480
» Exactly.
>> Yeah. And there's certain things, you

499
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,760
know, in business that
just beg to be outsourced and not done

500
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:48,640
in-house.
>> You know, your team has great

501
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,880
competencies in what they do,
>> right?

502
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:56,079
» You know, to go out and bring that
knowledge in and replace that knowledge

503
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:59,839
and this is what they do and they've
done it successfully. In other other

504
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:05,599
towns, they continue to do it
successfully. So, you know, yeah, what

505
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:09,200
would be the right number of people that
you'd have to hire to do it? What would

506
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:13,280
be the capital that we'd have to put
out? The technology piece,

507
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:18,480
» it's not as simple as it sounds that
you're just getting rid of Pivot's fee

508
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:22,160
and that's it. We're ahead of the game.
>> Total mess.

509
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:27,839
Yeah, I think you would I I'd be
hardressed to believe that you could you

510
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:31,839
would have to increase revenue to cover
the additional cost, which would mean

511
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:35,760
you would have to raise parking rates.
And to me, that's a non-starter. Raising

512
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:41,200
parking rates to bring it in house
doesn't doesn't work in my mind. So,

513
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,319
anyway, everybody good? So, with that,
motion's already been made. Motion on

514
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,240
the floor. All in favor? I.
>> Any opposed?

515
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,240
» Motion passes. Good job, Bruce. Bruce,
>> thank you for doing it.

516
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,960
» I will say I'm on the opposite of that.
I think staff could do it. That just me.

517
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:57,839
» I think they could train up. I'm not
saying I'm just saying in 90 days you're

518
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:01,119
not going to do it.
>> I agree with you.

519
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,800
» Oh, I agree. 90 days or whatever it is.
>> I agree with 90 days we would be able to

520
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:08,800
do that.
>> I think staff could do it. I just think

521
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:11,359
I don't think staff could do it as
>> I think it would cost more than what we

522
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,119
pay.
>> I say we got three years to figure it

523
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,760
out.
>> Yeah, I agree.

524
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:19,359
» That's how long the learning
>> Okay. An hour. Um

525
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,559
» because we both just think until we look
at it. [laughter]

526
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:24,400
» Exactly.
>> Can we talk to Eric now? Something fun.

527
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:28,559
» Yeah. Well, somebody gave us something
and then that was great and then we kind

528
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,760
of slid downhill that Bruce want to talk
about parking. Now, now with Eric, what

529
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,400
are you going to do for us? Eric.
>> Eric's gonna bring me Christmas. That's

530
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,280
what Eric's going to do.
>> We're going to get to Christmas.

531
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:42,559
» All right. So, I'm just going to give
you guys a little overview of uh the the

532
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:46,079
I know the agenda says event updates,
but we're going to also uh give you

533
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,880
update on all the programs and events
that are sponsored by the Town of

534
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:56,400
Carolina Beach Parks and Recreation
Department uh that we have um some say

535
00:55:51,680 --> 00:56:01,200
in. So, the first well, okay, so the
first thing is Boardwalk Music. We made

536
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:06,559
we we have made it through 14 weeks
already, right? We had 14 out of 16.

537
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:08,720
It's incredibly long season, but uh very
>> with only one rain out.

538
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,599
» Very enjoyable. What's that?
>> With only one rain out.

539
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:17,119
» With one rain out. Right. So, the
beautiful thing about the rain out is

540
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:21,280
that we are all set for a double show on
Labor Day weekend. So, Labor Day

541
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:26,240
weekend, we're looking at uh uh to end
this season on some uh double show for

542
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,760
fireworks. Uh this is the first time
this has happened since we've taken over

543
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:34,079
the the Boardwalk Music, but we did have
a schedule change, so I just wanted to

544
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:37,839
highlight that. Uh uh Bart Latimore
unfortunately was not able to attend. Uh

545
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:42,880
he was supposed to play on the 27th. So
we were able to quickly fill in with uh

546
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:46,160
Justin Cody Fox. Uh great musician,
great local musician, so we're really

547
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,079
excited to welcome him to the boardwalk
stage this coming Thursday. Uh on behalf

548
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:56,880
of all of the the the programs at the
boardwalk with the fireworks, I mean it

549
00:56:53,760 --> 00:57:01,440
is not a parks and recolle. I mean there
are resources from all towns. So, the

550
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:06,000
police department, fire department,
public works, we really appreciate

551
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:10,480
everything that they've done. And then
the amount of volunteers that we have.

552
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:14,720
We have two amazing fireworks volunteer
uh coordinators, Amanda and Christina,

553
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:19,680
and they gather all these other
volunteers and make sure that the entire

554
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:24,880
boardwalk uh is covered and secure for
fireworks for 16 weeks. So, we really do

555
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:31,520
appreciate that and um looking forward
to continuing to work with those folks.

556
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,000
Um, so I'm going to dive into some
program.

557
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,240
» I just got to point out that it's like
80% chance of rain on Thursday.

558
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:41,200
» I don't think so.
>> Lynn Barbie. [laughter]

559
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:45,920
» No, the reason is because Justin Cody
Fox, I love him and I love watching his

560
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:49,359
music and the last time we had him, he
was rained out. So when Deb told me last

561
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,119
week, hey, we're having a schedule
change, I was like, yes, this is great.

562
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:57,280
I'm looking forward to this show.
>> Then I look at the weather forecast. So,

563
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,200
I'm using the three-day ahead rule since
I'm predicting it. It'll never happen

564
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:02,880
now.
>> It's It's Tuesday. [laughter]

565
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:08,880
The weather forecast changes on the
hour. So, just be quiet about that.

566
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,960
» I'm trying to jinx the weather, D. I
want this to happen.

567
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,920
» Then bring your umbrella. That'll fix
it.

568
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,200
» All right. So, yeah. No. Uh, feel free
if you guys have any questions or

569
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:20,000
comments as I go through these slides,
feel free to just jump in and let me

570
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,960
know. But, uh, so we're going to break
them down into categories. We got the

571
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:26,559
youth athletics, adult athletics,
special events, and holiday programs.

572
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:31,119
And just a little highlight, these are
only the townsponsored events through

573
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:37,520
parks and recreation department. We have
so many other events in Carolina Beach

574
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:41,359
that are not in this, but uh in this uh
slideshow, but Tim will continue to

575
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,119
update those in front of council Tim
Murphy. Uh and I think he's at an events

576
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:48,960
committee meeting right now going over
some additional events. So uh he'll

577
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:54,559
update those at the next council
meeting. So, uh, youth athletics, our,

578
00:58:52,079 --> 00:59:00,079
uh, athletic supervisor is Bryce Missen,
and he's done a, uh, excellent job. Uh,

579
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:04,400
since he's taken over, he continues to,
uh, harness more talent from our

580
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,839
community, expand those programs. Uh, we
have a youth flag football program

581
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,680
that's, I believe, we're entering our
fifth year of doing that. And every year

582
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:17,440
it grows. when we're sitting down and
looking at our our our space and what we

583
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:21,280
can accommodate uh at Mike Chipple Park.
Uh now we have games starting at 5:40

584
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:25,440
and the last game starts at 8:30 on
Friday. But it is such a great uh

585
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:30,000
community event to see those folks
participate. We also have a youth

586
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:35,599
wrestling club that utilizes our our
recreation center uh and another avenue

587
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:40,240
uh that's getting started as well. We
have fall gymnastics

588
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:46,480
uh kicking off and those are age groups
uh go from kindergarten all the way up

589
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:52,000
through I think advanced is 13 14 plus.
Uh we have a youth lacrosse league which

590
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:56,720
is uh continues to be a growing sport in
this community and that is held

591
00:59:53,760 --> 01:00:00,319
completely 100% at Mike Chapel Park. Uh
they do a great job uh facilitating

592
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:04,880
that.
Um, and then obviously we have our

593
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:10,400
flagship youth basketball program that
has been around forever. Uh, and we're

594
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:14,880
constantly looking at uh switching
things up there to see if we can uh

595
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:18,480
accommodate more uh gym space to get
more teams because we we get a ton of

596
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:22,799
folks. So, if anyone's out there
listening, that registration starts on

597
01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:27,760
September 21st. Be ready. It's important
to get your registration in. Uh we would

598
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:31,839
like to have as many uh local residents
as possible uh competing in that

599
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:39,119
program.
Uh and then uh we also have adult

600
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:43,680
athletics overview. Uh we um just
finished up the adult co-ed softball uh

601
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:49,200
league with the championship game last
uh last night. Thank goodness. Uh

602
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:54,400
because it's the long season in the
summer with lots of rain and turning

603
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:57,599
ball fields in the summer and Bryce is
out there and he's coming back and I

604
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:02,160
think he brings three or four shirts to
work. Sometimes I'm like, "You just need

605
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:07,119
to go home and take a shower, dude."
But uh it's uh it was it's great to see

606
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:10,799
that league happen. Uh that will roll
right into our adult basketball league

607
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:15,440
that we have over at the recreation
center. And then we had uh I think this

608
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:20,640
is the third year of our co-ed adult
kickball league. So we continued to um

609
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,440
listen to the community if there's
programs that we can want if we can fit

610
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:28,480
them into our schedule and we make that
happen. So we're excited to offer those.

611
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:33,520
Uh and then some of the special event
spotlights for uh September. We have the

612
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,839
Carolina Beach Police Department bike
rodeo that's coming up on Saturday,

613
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:43,599
September 12th from 1 to 4 at the rec
center. And uh that's all all hands on

614
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:47,680
deck uh community event. And then we
also have our annual Halloween carnival

615
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:53,920
at Mike Chubble Park which will be held
on uh Friday October third uh October

616
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:58,880
23rd. And that's a really great fun
community event as well over at Mike

617
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:04,480
Chel Park. We probably get I don't know
600 to 900 people that attend that

618
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:08,319
event. So it's always fun. Um, and then
going into the holiday programs, we are

619
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:12,559
going to continue to offer letters to
Santa. That's a community volunteer

620
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:17,920
program. We have this great uh North
Pole mailbox outside the rec center. We

621
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:22,640
encourage those uh kids to get their
letters in and then they will get one uh

622
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:29,839
a letter uh returned to them. Hopefully,
they're good. Uh we are kicking off a

623
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:34,240
holiday rating contest. Uh this is a new
event uh this year where we are going to

624
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:37,760
have commercial and residential and
we're still working out the kinks on

625
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,359
that. I believe there's a meeting today
and

626
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:44,079
» at 11
>> an hour. Yeah. To go over that. Uh so

627
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:48,720
we're we're just trying to get everybody
to spruce up their businesses and houses

628
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:54,319
and have it a fun competition. So
looking forward to to that program. Uh

629
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:59,200
early festivities, the uh lighting of
the lake. Uh the town is uh parks and

630
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,880
recreation department is going to be
more involved in that program uh and

631
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:09,599
working with the island of lights
community to provide additional

632
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:14,160
uh a amenities programming uh
festivities to that event. So that's

633
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:19,760
Friday after Thanksgiving. We're excited
about that one. Our Christmas parade is

634
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:25,680
the highlight, right? That's the first
Friday in uh December at 7 PM and

635
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:31,280
registration for that is going to open
on Tuesday, September 22nd. And we

636
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:37,359
usually limit it to around 125 entries.
So enter quickly and if we get past 125,

637
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,480
we'll probably change it. [laughter]
>> Uh we'll up it.

638
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:45,280
» Eric, I I tell you how important a
Christmas rate is. My wife and I

639
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:50,000
scheduled vacation, bought the tickets,
reserved the hotel. We're lined up to go

640
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:54,799
on vacation. My wife walks in and says,
"Oh, no. That's the weekend of the

641
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Christmas parade. Vacation was canceled,
buddy." [laughter]

642
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:04,000
Uh, we we love our Christmas parade.
That that is one event of our holiday

643
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:08,079
program that is definitely all hands on
deck. I mean, there is so much work that

644
01:04:06,319 --> 01:04:11,599
our public safety crews do to make sure
that it's safe that the public does not

645
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:15,839
even know about. But we're constantly
having meetings and updating and street

646
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:19,280
making sure that everyone's safe and you
know flowing traffic and and all that

647
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,039
stuff as well. So
>> closing Lake Park Boulevard.

648
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,880
» Yeah, like Lake Park Boulevard and
safety and checkpoints and all that

649
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:31,119
stuff. So it's we're we're excited to
have that. Uh

650
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:35,039
» yeah, those I just want to add to that
just second what you said with the

651
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:38,400
public safety folks on that. They do a
great job every Thursday night, but

652
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:44,400
especially during that event when you
have vehicles moving in crowds as big as

653
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:48,480
we have, it takes a lot of planning. I
don't think people realize what those

654
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,920
people go through pre-planning and
pregaming that

655
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:55,280
» so that everybody leaves the same way
they came. So, just want to

656
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,559
» kudos to that group.
>> They do a phenomenal job. parks and

657
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,440
rack, we kind of get to do the fun part
and do the registration and send the

658
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,119
letters out and make sure everybody's
lined up, but they're doing a lot of

659
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:11,200
work behind the scenes to make sure it's
safe for everybody. Uh we have our

660
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:16,160
holiday market that is on uh Saturday,
December 5th. That's the the sat

661
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:20,799
Saturday after our parade. Uh and that
is from 9 to 3. That's a huge event. And

662
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:26,720
then we also have a lot of children's
activities. Santa Claus is there. Uh

663
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:31,039
face painting, all of that as well. Um,
so that's we we we enjoy that event.

664
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:35,760
We're uh showing a holiday movie on
Saturday, December 12th at the lake,

665
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:39,760
which is always fun. Uh, and we'll have,
I believe it's the Christmas story this

666
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:45,680
year. That's we just picked that one, so
we're excited. Um, and then we have a

667
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:49,920
Christmas by the Sea program, uh, which
will be held at Lake Park. We'll have

668
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:53,599
Santa Claus train rides. We have this
awesome train that'll be out in the

669
01:05:51,520 --> 01:06:00,400
community. People love to see it. It's
it's it's been uh spiffed up and working

670
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,200
really well for the last like you know
couple months. We've been tweaking it

671
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:07,839
and working on it. So that will be out
there and that will also be at the

672
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:12,079
lighting at the lake as well. Uh we have
holiday music with Randy McQuay. He's a

673
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:16,960
great local musician. And then we'll
have some food vendors out there. And

674
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:22,319
then the new event that we added this
year is a familyfriendly celebration at

675
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:26,079
the boardwalk for New Year's Eve. Uh we
understand that there's a lot of

676
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:29,760
families in Carolina Beach and you know
you don't necessarily want to have them

677
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,960
out until midnight uh celebrating New
Year's. So we're looking at a

678
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:36,559
familyfriendly celebration from 6:00 to
8:00 p.m. I'm not going to give away all

679
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:43,119
the things but just think about a bunch
of beach balls falling and being able to

680
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,039
grab one and take one home and uh
>> with the Carolina Beach logo on them.

681
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,440
» Yes,
>> there'll be something going on.

682
01:06:46,681 --> 01:06:50,720
[laughter]
Uh, so we're we're still working on a

683
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:54,400
lot of this. A lot of these a lot of
these events we actually start for

684
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,039
Christmas. We actually start in January
because vendors go really quickly to

685
01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:00,400
like
>> especially the good Santaas.

686
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:04,960
» Yeah, those those good folks with
beards. Um, uh, yeah, we're looking

687
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:08,799
forward to that event and that event
will take place at Carolina Beach

688
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:12,960
Boardwalk from 6:00 to 8. Uh, it's
inaugural year. It's the first year.

689
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:18,559
We're looking at um just testing the
waters and and and then expanding as we

690
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:22,319
see, you know, in years. But we we we we
ideally we like to continue to do this

691
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:27,359
every year and grow the event at the at
the boardwalk. So those are all of the

692
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:33,680
programs.
Yes, those are all of the programs that

693
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:34,880
we have going on from September through
uh wait

694
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,680
» January.
>> December. [laughter]

695
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:44,960
» So parks are right. So I do want to add
so if you have not seen Caroline Beach

696
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:50,079
is in the top 25 for the Hallmark Marius
Town. So please you can go on I think

697
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:55,200
the chamber has the link. I have the
link. You can vote every day until

698
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:58,480
September 4th. So vote vote vote.
>> I just wish we had a better picture.

699
01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:01,920
» Yeah.
>> Well I didn't submit the application but

700
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:05,440
um
>> it's just it's the Christmas tree.

701
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:09,280
» I know where the other ones are.
>> I know. I know. I didn't submit it. So

702
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:12,880
Uh, Eric, I
>> I will thank null Stevens for actually

703
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:17,679
submitting that. So,
>> Eric, I just want to say we appreciate

704
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:21,440
all towns. Um,
I mean, we like it that our water works

705
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:26,159
and the toilets flush and all those
sorts of things. police keep us safe,

706
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:29,600
but your team, the energy that they
bring,

707
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:35,120
uh, they're really in the quality of
life business for us all.

708
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:39,839
» And, uh, it it really bulls, a lot of it
comes back to parks and recreation

709
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:43,279
efforts that make it, it's the reason we
have events all the time and the reason

710
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,799
it's a great place to live and a great
place to retire and a great place for

711
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:49,040
your grandkids to come visit is the
programs you put together. So, I just

712
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:53,600
want to say thank you.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that. And um

713
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:58,640
yeah, I just I'm so thrilled uh to be
able to work in this in my role and have

714
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:03,120
the staff that I do with uh Heather, I
mean Heather, Aaron, Bryce, Tim,

715
01:09:00,957 --> 01:09:06,400
[clears throat] got Zach and Jack uh at
the front desk of the rec center. I

716
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:11,120
mean, we got such a great crew. We're a
fun dysfunctional family at times, but

717
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:15,839
uh we enjoy each other. [laughter]
>> Thank you, sir.

718
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:18,719
» Um the next on there was an agenda item,
and since I brought it up, I guess I'll

719
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:23,279
address it real quick. There was an
agenda item to go over St. Joseph

720
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:29,759
Street. Um, and I'd ask Bruce at the
request of a resident actually just to

721
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:32,719
give an update. Um, but I think you got
some things going on that's in the mix

722
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,600
and you're going to bring that back to
us at a different

723
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:38,000
» date. Correct. I can bring it we'll have
some more updates soon and we'll put

724
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,319
some online too. But
>> okay.

725
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:43,440
» Basically, we're got ready to go bid.
We're meeting with DOT. Actually,

726
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:46,319
staff's meeting them right now.
>> Um, but hopefully going out to bid soon

727
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:49,759
and we'll do some updates and refresh
everybody's memory where we are. She

728
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:52,719
wasn't looking for any particular
decision. I think it's just you got new

729
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:57,520
people who've moved in. They weren't
here two years ago when the plans were

730
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,120
put up on the board, whatever. I I don't
think she was looking for

731
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:04,000
» I think I mean, she asked me for
example. I just want to know what it

732
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,960
looks like and where it's going to go,
>> you know? So, I think just a real high

733
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,719
level update would be good.
>> Okay. Good.

734
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:14,960
» All right.
>> Uh I just I wanted to thank staff,

735
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:18,800
especially Ed for the presentations we
did yesterday on Freeman Park. It was so

736
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:23,280
well attended. I was very thrilled with
the number of people that showed up. Um,

737
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:28,080
the future of Freeman Park is in our
hands and I think we need to tread

738
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:31,280
carefully and make sure we make the
right decisions and there was a lot of

739
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:36,400
good input yesterday.
>> But I just really want to toot Ed and

740
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:41,679
and Kim's horn for putting on a great
presentation yesterday. they that I

741
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:48,159
agree and the feedback that's coming
from that it's amazing to juxtapose that

742
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:51,840
feedback with what you hear
>> right because everyone who attended that

743
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:56,239
I spoke with and then I read some of
your comments D thank you for that about

744
01:10:53,440 --> 01:11:01,679
what was going on was uh
>> and I think Ed even mentioned it is was

745
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:05,120
great dialogue people enga people didn't
come in with an axe to grind they

746
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:08,400
understood the balance that was we were
looking for and I just thought it was

747
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,440
Well, we also had some people who came
in with their mindset on what they

748
01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:15,120
wanted and then when they heard Ed's
presentation, they actually changed

749
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,440
their mind on
>> on the conservation part of

750
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:19,920
» Yeah.
>> of that beautiful piece of land that we

751
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,360
own.
>> And that was a good presentation. I

752
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,040
agree with
>> um I will say Ed and I talked about it

753
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,440
and there was a lot of people who wanted
to know, you know, there's people who

754
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:33,520
couldn't make it yesterday because of
work and those kinds of things. So,

755
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:39,280
we're going to try to put together
something so we can have a mini session

756
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,920
basically at the lake at one of our um
markets that

757
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:44,239
» in the future. So,
>> what was the attendance? Do you know

758
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,360
total attendance?
>> Um so, we had 24 people at the first

759
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:54,080
session, 30 people at the second, and
then 23 people um at the third one.

760
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,719
» Is that that's
>> that's huge.

761
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:00,159
» That sounds like the most we've ever
had. Have we ever had

762
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:03,440
» we've never had that many people show up
for open house ever.

763
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,159
» And I mentioned this a dead mayor tell
you

764
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:10,400
» it tells you about our demographic when
you have the fewest people come after

765
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:15,440
work.
>> There's been a demographic

766
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:19,840
» shifting. Yeah. The most came at 2:30.
The second most came at 10:30 in the

767
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:22,880
morning and the fewest came at 5:30.
>> But it I mean it was very well attended.

768
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,280
That's I mean you know usually we're
standing here going, "Okay, how many are

769
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,440
we going to get?" And Ed and I were
really worried first thing in the

770
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,120
morning. and we're like, is it just
going to be you and me? [laughter]

771
01:12:29,250 --> 01:12:33,199
[gasps] You know, so we added chairs
every session. We were adding chairs.

772
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,679
» That's good.
>> I think it was great.

773
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:42,480
» Um, just with one more thing on that I
was just going to mention to you guys is

774
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:46,560
as you're discussing that, um, I know
there's a push and has been for many

775
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:52,239
years from organizations like the
association and stuff to put jetties and

776
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:57,120
groin or groins out there. not taking a
position one way or another, but I think

777
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:02,960
you should consider in that document
whether that committee supports that or

778
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:06,800
at least has some commentary around it
because when that does come, if we annex

779
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:10,560
it, suddenly we'll be in on that
decision,

780
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:13,840
» right? So, and I know how important it
is for your land use plan to when when

781
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,320
you're trying to decide something and
your land use plan doesn't say anything

782
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,040
about it,
>> you don't have the voice of the public.

783
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:21,199
So, I'd like to hear the voice of the
public.

784
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,760
» That's the excellent point. Does that
make sense what I'm asking?

785
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,120
» Does.
>> All right. With that, uh, meeting

786
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:31,440
adjourned. Thank you guys. Thanks
everybody for coming.

787
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,760
» We'll have double the fireworks, but
we'll also have double the prizes

788
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,800
because we had a rain out.
>> That's right. That's right.