[19:59] We're patiently waiting and hope
hopefully voting.
[20:02] » All right, let's uh go get a picture to
take.
[20:04] » Thank you so much for what for your
gift. Thank
[20:07] » youate.
[20:21] It's a workshop. Everybody
weren't prepared.
[20:28] » I'm just come over here.
>> I can get behind you for sure.
[20:32] » You want to get up here?
>> You let Vince, come on, Vince.
[20:37] » Ready,
[20:44] » Vince? Get up here.
[20:49] Thank you so much,
>> man.
[20:54] » That's right.
[20:58] » That's an official.
>> If you're going to give us gifts, we're
[21:00] happy to take your picture, sir. Thank
you so much, guys.
[21:03] » Appreciate you.
>> This is part of the fun.
[21:09] » So easy. I got the motor.
>> She will let us know.
[21:13] » He said fully loaded. That includes the
motor.
[21:16] motors and everything. This one's empty
right now.
[21:33] » Yes, sir. Thank you guys.
>> Get out of here.
[21:37] » All right.
[21:43] Got you.
[21:47] Ed, we should talked about those marsh
cameras since we're talking about
[21:49] Freeman Park yesterday.
[21:54] » Thank you guys again.
>> Thank you so much.
[21:56] » Great presentation.
>> That was really good.
[22:00] » All right, Bruce, they're giving us
gifts. What are you giving us?
[22:04] » All right. Uh, next up is uh on the
agenda is renewal of the parking
[22:08] management agreement with Pivot Parking.
>> All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um
[22:13] before you start, I do have one
question.
[22:16] » We don't review any other contracts.
Those are your discretion. That's your
[22:21] job. Uh we set budget and spending
obviously. I'm just that's the way the
[22:26] government's organized. Why is this one
on our agenda?
[22:29] » Either I have the authority to enter
agreements or I bring them to you in a
[22:34] consent form on the consent agenda. This
is the one contract that we bring to you
[22:37] just just cuz it's parking and um you've
heard about
[22:41] » I'm not against it. I just was trying to
>> Normally I'd put a contract like this on
[22:44] the consent agenda for approval, but
since it is parking and it gets talked
[22:48] about, I thought it'd be best to present
it to the council.
[22:50] » I'm okay with that.
>> All right.
[22:53] All right. Yes. And the reason we're
doing it now is um the contract with
[22:57] Pivot expires this year and if we don't
renew it, we need to go to an RFP
[23:02] request for proposals and we need to
start that process immediately. So, I'd
[23:06] want to um [clears throat] get council's
input and um discuss the next steps.
[23:13] And as you got in the memo I sent you,
that is the town staff's recommendation
[23:17] that we renew the contract. And we'll go
through why as we go through this. Um
[23:21] Okay.
>> Yeah. And here's a little background. In
[23:23] 2021, we limited our agreement with Reef
due to um the maintenance and revenue
[23:29] issues. We terminated that early. We had
to do a little payout. Um we did the
[23:34] two-year agreement with um Pivot with
two automatic two-year renewals. We
[23:38] could all, you know, get gotten out of
those with uh 90-day notices, but we
[23:42] continue to do that. Since there Pivot's
made some good changes. Um, we've, you
[23:47] know, working with us, removing all the
pay stations and meters, expand texting.
[23:51] It's completely a digital program now,
which is great. Um, and then this year,
[23:56] Pivot has added the new thing. It's the
one of a kind in the country, Pivot Go
[24:00] app, that can determine if you're if
you're say in Monkey Junction and you're
[24:03] deciding which beach to go to, you can
look and say, "Wow, Rightful's full. I
[24:07] think I'll go to Carolina Beach." They
got some spaces down there. It shows you
[24:10] the occupancy of the different lots. So,
that's a great addition to it and
[24:14] hopefully drove some um some customers
here.
[24:19] Here's a little background of the um our
income since going with Pivot. Um you
[24:25] know, it's been steady. I didn't put on
what we did before, but it's a
[24:28] significant increase from what we had
with Reef and the previous parking
[24:32] companies that we worked with. So, it's
done that. Freeman Park, you will see
[24:35] there's been some dip in that. A lot of
that has to do with less beach since um
[24:40] 2022. We've lost more and more sand.
Should be interesting this year and that
[24:43] we have more sand to see what those
numbers are. So, um,
[24:49] » how does how does that Bruce You want us
to ask you questions now?
[24:53] » That's fine. Yeah.
>> How does this uh fit with what the
[24:58] projections were? I don't see them.
>> Oh, I didn't have the projection. Yeah,
[25:01] the budget numbers are right there with
projections or exceeding. So except piv
[25:06] I mean premium park I think there's a
couple years where we didn't meet just
[25:09] but that's like I said beach and weather
related
[25:11] » interested in the lots.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So we we've been pretty
[25:14] » met the metrics.
>> Yes. We've been right on or exceeded
[25:17] about every year. So
>> and then um as I mentioned earlier some
[25:22] of the things the improvements we've
made um the LPR was another addition we
[25:26] added with pivot um part of the original
agreement we had them do and we've had
[25:31] replacements. Um those were costs we
incurred one of them. We incurred one.
[25:36] They they ate the cost. Uh but the pivot
goes we're real excited about. Um there
[25:42] another thing that's not on here just
recently we moved Pivot's offices in
[25:46] town hall which was been a major
customer service improvement for them
[25:50] and for us. Um half the time of our um
Sheila and Nyla and and Kim get called
[25:56] out there. It's a parking question that
we have to send them down uh Canal Drive
[26:01] to go get answered. So now they're in
house doing that. Um customer service in
[26:06] general, they have really PIV has really
become an ambassador to the town.
[26:09] They've become part of the town staff
family. They work closely with us, work
[26:13] well with us. We've heard um you know
there's been complaints in the past, but
[26:17] they've gone down dramatically. I've
actually get more um applause for them
[26:21] than I do negative comments. I get
people thanking them for this on the
[26:25] stuff, how they helped um in particular
Stephen, the manager here, how he's
[26:29] helped people. And for example, during
PTC8 when we suspended parking, their
[26:34] staff was out there helping assisting
citizens in in Carolina Beach move stuff
[26:38] out of their homes, get out of cars,
doing different things. They helped
[26:41] staff do different things. They they
really picked it up and um showed
[26:45] they're committed to the town. So,
[26:50] another thing looking at that the
company is local which is also a
[26:53] benefit. They manage not only Carolina
Beach, they do Wilmington, Surf City, um
[26:59] there's several I can't remember North
Myrtle Beach and they do some others
[27:02] too. There's a local company with um so
if there's, you know, shortage here of
[27:07] employees, they got places to pull from.
So, it's always staffed and we always
[27:10] have a um a lot of help when we need it.
So this year when I I told them we we
[27:16] had to either renew or we're going out
for a um request for proposals and so I
[27:21] sat down with Pivot and we talked about
different items um what we want to see
[27:25] um we knew we needed a new license plate
reader um they proposed a new magnetic
[27:30] one and I think the cost of that was
around $20,000 um and then um they
[27:37] agreed when we negotiated said I didn't
want to have any capital I didn't budget
[27:40] for any capital this year so they're
going to eat the cost on the capital
[27:44] that they did say I talked about the one
issue we hear about them is people
[27:49] accuse them of being incentivized to
write tickets. Um they've changed the
[27:53] agreement this year. They will not
receive any revenue off tickets. We'll
[27:57] still get you know the the money from
that but it takes any any accusations
[28:01] that they're doing this to write to make
money so for writing tickets. So that
[28:04] that is gone. the the annual threshold
for the variable management fee does
[28:09] drop, but it still comes up to a $20,000
positive to the town is what we
[28:14] estimate.
Um, so that was a big thing. And then as
[28:18] we'll get a little more into this, the
Freeman Park Automation, we've been
[28:20] talking about that for years, how we
done it. We've worked with them and and
[28:23] finally came up a solution. Um, it'll be
u um I'll give you more details, but
[28:28] this new system is, you know, expected
cost $45 to $50,000 capital investment.
[28:32] I told once again, I said, "We don't
have the capital for it." Um, and they
[28:36] said they would they would fund it. But
that's the reason I made those requests,
[28:41] but their request was if we're going to
put that capital investment, we need
[28:44] more than two years to recoup our
investment. So that's why they've had
[28:47] asked for an additional three-year
agreement.
[28:51] » So Bruce, I have a question on one of
the great things about it's a bad thing
[28:56] and a good thing sometimes depending on
your angle, but one of the great things
[28:59] about being a municipality is
everything's public. Information is
[29:01] public. So I was asked the question
should we go out for bid basically RF
[29:08] RFP to shop the market.
The all the competing contracts are
[29:14] publicly available. I mean we can go
look at all the surrounding areas and
[29:17] the various companies and what deal if
you want to call it that they get.
[29:22] » So have you seen anything to indicate
that there's an opportunity for us to
[29:28] save money? Are we competitive? Is Pivot
competitive? What's what's your opinion
[29:33] on that?
>> I think they're very competitive and I I
[29:35] think it's reflected by how many of the
local towns do use them. Um the city of
[29:40] Wilmington had a you know I'm sure
extensive um vetting of their things and
[29:46] then they went with Pivot. Um and same
with Riceville Beach and Surf City and
[29:50] some others. Um but we've looked around
and it's not always apples to apples.
[29:53] Everybody does a little different. Um we
had one proposal last time we did this.
[29:57] their way of enforcement was putting a a
device on your window that you couldn't
[30:02] get removed till you paid your ticket. I
mean, everybody's got might have made a
[30:06] lot of money. I don't know, but um
they're not always apples apples, but
[30:10] just looking at everything else, this is
um as good as I've seen. And I think our
[30:15] numbers show what we had before and what
we have now. So, the other reason to go
[30:19] out for an RFP would be that you were
dissatisfied with service or you thought
[30:25] someone else could offer some service
that we're not getting.
[30:30] » Correct.
>> Any Have you seen anything out there?
[30:33] I'm just trying to figure out what the
advantage is to me as a town to go out
[30:37] to RFP.
>> And I I will have a slide on that, but
[30:39] the RFP
>> I'm sorry if I'm getting ahead of you.
[30:41] No, but I'll go and say I mean the you
could there's the potential to save to
[30:45] make more money to um lessen expenses
and bring in more revenue. That is a
[30:49] potential with RFP um going out, but
there's also risk involved um that you
[30:55] know it may not be that way. We may go
out there and we didn't realize what
[30:58] kind of deal we had. That could be a
risk. You could also there's some some
[31:02] learning curves. You're going to there's
going to be a lot of capital up front.
[31:05] You have to replace signage. They may
use different technology. That means the
[31:09] citizens and people who use it are going
to have to learn that. We're going to
[31:11] have to learn that. There's the the
medit,
[31:15] you know, vendors who work with these
groups may be completely different. We
[31:19] got to learn and use all those. So,
there's a lot of changes that could cost
[31:23] more money. We don't know. I mean,
sometimes the numbers just based on the
[31:26] proposals will show
we'll bring you this much revenue, but
[31:30] they're not looking at our expenses.
They here's much revenue we bring. but
[31:33] they may have a whole bunch of different
called MIDS um different vendors they
[31:38] use that charge us a lot more money. So
it's it's hard to evaluate that and
[31:42] that's one of the reason the issues we
left Reef when not only was um some of
[31:47] the revenue wasn't meeting what we had
projected but there were the customer
[31:49] service issues and different issues. So
we that's when we exited that contract
[31:53] and this even with this contract we
still have a a 90-day out if we a point
[31:57] we don't think it's performing.
So go ahead, P. Sorry.
[32:04] » Can we gather some of that information
that's publicly available, what other
[32:09] towns are paying,
>> kind of the benchmark without going out
[32:12] and doing a full RFP
>> um
[32:15] » and say, you know, kind of like what we
did with, you know, during the budget
[32:18] session. Here's
>> here's what we're paying. Here's the
[32:21] services that we're getting versus um
peer group companies.
[32:26] » Just a comparative chart mean just
>> we could look at that. um it's sort of
[32:30] in a time crunch because if we don't do
something we're going to um I need to
[32:34] start the RFP process.
>> Yeah. I'm not saying formal RFP. I'm
[32:37] just saying, you know, it it might be
helpful for people out there to see, you
[32:41] know, this is what we're getting. You
know, one of the things over my career
[32:44] was, you know, we it was generally a
practice to go out and bid this stuff
[32:49] every every few years. Um but also if
you have a true partner that you're
[32:55] working with,
>> right? uh that kind of mitigates that to
[32:59] some extent and obviously they're put
they've got, you know, they're putting
[33:02] skin in the game themselves.
>> Uh we obviously don't have the time to
[33:06] do it now,
>> right?
[33:07] » The only concern that I might have is
the three-year term and I know, you
[33:11] know, we're getting something back in
return for that, but in two years from
[33:15] now, our parking landscape, you know,
could potentially change.
[33:20] Um, you know, is there the opportunity
when we have more clarity on what the
[33:24] boardwalk is going to look like to, you
know, relook at that before the
[33:28] three-year period is up?
>> Yeah. Yeah, we can. And like I said, we
[33:31] do have the there's a 90-day out, so we
could always do that. Um, but yeah, I
[33:36] will put try to get
>> there attached to that though, Bruce. Is
[33:38] there a buy?
>> There would be if we if we left early,
[33:41] some of this capital would have to we
would be it would be for equipment
[33:45] that's going to be would be staying with
the town.
[33:47] » Yeah. amateurize any equipment that we
we keep. They're going to put the
[33:50] investment in it. Um but that's why they
had the third year. If it we go out out
[33:54] earlier, we would have to repay some of
that.
[33:56] » But we we went through that with RE.
>> Right. Exactly. Yeah. Bruce, you
[34:00] mentioned that
that costs have changed which and I I'm
[34:05] only there's one that sticks in my mind
because it was very painful at the time
[34:09] was um the parking system, if you will,
comes with the vendor. we do not own
[34:16] that
>> right
[34:18] » and when we shifted before I don't think
any of us saw the issues that were going
[34:23] to come about and the one issue this is
a very simple one but it's an easy one
[34:27] to understand was the way their system
worked our staff was tr not properly
[34:32] trained or to that they don't respect
dashes and tags and so we issued a whole
[34:39] bunch of permits typed in the tags with
the dashes in them and a bunch of people
[34:43] got tickets right
>> and then we had to retrain I think they
[34:46] fixed that in the system since then. But
the point is there's a huge cost of
[34:51] change because how you get how you buy
permits, training our staff to sell
[34:57] permits, all that becomes new. Are there
other I know that is fact. My question
[35:02] to you is are there other things like
that that that I mean you're going to be
[35:07] swap wholesale swapping out to go to
someone else. Right.
[35:10] » Right. Yeah. There's a lot of unforeseen
you don't we can't even think about
[35:13] right now that that came up last time
and um not only that and I think that
[35:17] led to a lot of the complaints we had
because it was not only you know they
[35:21] were doing their job but um these are
our rules we forget that they're not the
[35:26] ones creating these rules and some of
they get some unfair criticism whatever
[35:29] parking company because they're our
rules and our rates that we adopt but in
[35:33] the management of that there's different
process different fees and different
[35:36] things that do cause confusion when you
switch. Um, not to say that's the um
[35:42] only reason to stay with Pivot, but
there are unforeseen things that come up
[35:46] and did come up last time that we
weren't expecting that did cause um some
[35:51] frustrations.
But
[35:53] » yeah, the other thing that happened last
time, which is I've found out since
[35:57] then, happens all the time. But um even
if we go with a new company, other than
[36:02] the people who have non-competes, which
is probably only one person or two
[36:05] people, I don't know what their business
practices are, you're going to end up
[36:08] with the exact same people in the job
because the new company's just going to
[36:11] hire the same people. So you're going to
have the same people in the street
[36:14] » enforcing the same rules. The rules
didn't change. The people didn't change.
[36:18] » Correct.
>> Yeah. So yeah,
[36:20] » it sounds like a lot of change to me.
The other piece that I really like about
[36:25] what you've gotten out of this is the
piece about the citations.
[36:29] » Mhm.
>> Because if there was one piece that was
[36:31] always, you know, the biggest complaint
I'm sure was tickets that were written
[36:36] erroneously,
>> right?
[36:37] » And you know, I always thought that
there should have been a penalty
[36:40] involved in it for pivot. If any ticket
was, you know, found, you know, to be
[36:45] erroneously written,
>> there should have been some type of
[36:48] penalty for that. This takes away that
incentive to write those tickets, which
[36:52] I think is a huge benefit. I think that
goes a long way towards goodwill with
[36:58] town residents and visitors and
everything.
[37:00] » I think that's a that's a big win right
there.
[37:03] » I think that will help. I agree with
Vince. I think that will help in regards
[37:07] to overall visitor experience.
>> Yeah.
[37:10] » I think it'll take a while to trickle
through, but I know you've heard things,
[37:14] » right?
>> Good job on doing that.
[37:16] » Yeah. Thanks,
>> Bruce. I I got I I jumped in and
[37:20] everybody else jumped in with me midway
of your presentation.
[37:23] » Oh, no worries. No worries. Um like
that's the negotiated terms. Um as far
[37:27] as Freeman Park, the automation, we're
pretty excited about that. We've taught
[37:30] different ideas. We've talked about um
all kinds of different this the way this
[37:36] one would work would use the license
plate reader technology and have two
[37:39] arms on the entrance and exit. You would
buy your ticket here. You'll see it says
[37:44] 15 minutes before. We want to encourage
people to buy it beforehand. Before you
[37:47] get there, speed the process up. You go
in, you enter your data, your license
[37:51] plate, you get there, the camera read
it, gate would open, you go in. If you
[37:54] have a season pass, read your license
plate, you go in. Um, if you do by
[37:58] chance forget to buy it, there'll be a
window of lane you can pull over to the
[38:02] side to buy the ticket and get input
your stuff, circle back around, and get
[38:05] in. Um, it will also read it on the way
out. So, it gives us data we can use in
[38:09] the future about, you know, what's the
average um, stay in Freeman Park. Um,
[38:14] and it also help us when we open and
close Freedom Park. We had, you know,
[38:18] 300 cars go in, but no one's come out.
We may need to look at closing. And it
[38:22] will be on the Go Pivot app, the Pivot
Go app. So, if you're planning to come
[38:26] down to get on free park, you can look
on. It's at 90% capacity. I might wait
[38:30] till it slows down a little bit. And you
can buy your ticket with through the app
[38:34] or through the the website.
>> So, how do you do that now? I mean, I
[38:37] guess it's just visual
>> attended.
[38:38] » In other words, you just No, I mean, how
do you when you have to close for a
[38:42] storm or something like that? Is it I
mean not for storm for crowds
[38:45] overcrowding. Is that just um
>> someone goes up there and says well it
[38:49] looks crowded and we'll close it and
then you don't really know when to open
[38:53] it. You go back and take another visual.
Is that
[38:55] » the staff person who's maning the gate
sort of keeps track but also our PD will
[38:59] go out there and say
>> it's getting a little too too crowded to
[39:02] manage right now.
>> But this way you could say we think we
[39:05] have a capacity of X whatever that is
right
[39:08] » and currently there's X plus 10. So we
need to think about is that what you
[39:14] » Yeah, exactly. So we'll know we can put
some parameters when we get to 90%
[39:18] capacity, you know, or if it's
>> and it would count t it would be able to
[39:22] count tickets that way.
>> Right. Exactly.
[39:23] » With this automated.
>> Yep.
[39:25] » The only thing about taking the human
aspect from it is you don't have that
[39:28] person who says you can't take that ATV
out on this beach.
[39:32] » True.
>> That's the problem. True.
[39:34] » Because I know every Sunday there there
have been ATVs, not the police.
[39:38] » Yeah.
>> Riding on Yeah. pass a pinch point.
[39:41] Yeah, I see them. So,
>> yeah, and they can have a license
[39:43] weight, too. Um, we will probably still
man this like on, you know, Saturdays,
[39:48] Sundays in the summer, busy days, just
for those type reasons. You just got a
[39:52] lot of and to help manage it and in case
there's any backups.
[39:55] » But with that, um, we still expect to
save, um, was it I think 45 $50,000 I
[40:01] had the number in labor cost. 35 to
$40,000 in labor cost.
[40:06] » 40,000.
>> Yeah. 30 to 35 to 40,000 in labor cost
[40:09] is what we estimate we'll save
>> because of staff you won't have to have
[40:12] the periods you won't have as staff
right
[40:13] » does this also and I don't even know if
this is true but I've I've heard that uh
[40:19] there are folks out there that
understand the hours and they
[40:22] » they go out there before hours so they
don't have to pay exactly
[40:27] » is that true or
>> Yeah we do we know um we changed the
[40:30] hours of what we man it because we had
um we were maning I believe from 9 to 9
[40:35] or whatever like Well, the majority a
ton of people are going out there at 7
[40:39] just getting their spot.
>> They're earlier than seven. I can tell
[40:42] you that on Sundays because I'm there at
5:30 in the morning.
[40:45] » Yeah. So, they're there. So, this
>> there's no enforcement of that right
[40:48] now. They just honor system, I guess,
because you don't stop them on the way
[40:51] out and see who paid and who didn't.
>> Nope. So, this would we think hopefully
[40:55] increase revenue free park? I know. Um
>> think it would.
[40:57] » The more the busier it is, the more
expenses we have, too. So it's I don't
[41:00] think it's not the the cash generating
tool that everybody thinks it is. But um
[41:06] » so what's the total capital outlay for
if you add those things up?
[41:10] » I think it's um
>> 30 grand.
[41:12] » Yeah. In capital outlay it's um 50 to I
mean 70 about 70,000 but then other
[41:17] savings you got another 20,000 in um the
citation
[41:23] » 130.
>> Yeah. So yeah overall 330 in savings
[41:26] with
>> but that capital outlay is going to come
[41:28] from pivoted.
>> Correct. Yes,
[41:29] » correct. That we do not spend.
>> So that's and in their if I'm sitting in
[41:33] their shoes, which is typical for
contracts
[41:38] in anything, they're probably saying,
"Hey, I'm spending $100,000.
[41:42] I need three years to recover my money."
So
[41:47] we can exit. I'm trying to figure out
what our liability is. So if in if we
[41:52] agree to three years and we want to
exit, we can still exit after. As Vince
[41:56] said, the boardwalk parking may change
around who who knows what two years from
[42:01] now looks like. But then is there some
agreed to annual? How much of that is it
[42:08] allocate or is it
>> how would they come up with a price that
[42:13] we owe them?
>> They would take the the cost and
[42:15] amaturize it over three years or
whatever what's left of the term.
[42:18] » Okay. Okay. So, they take that amount,
divide it by
[42:20] » however many months,
>> and then that's how much we owe out.
[42:23] Okay, that seems fair.
>> All right. All right. Um I think the
[42:27] next few slides are something we've
pretty much
[42:29] » I'm sorry. [laughter]
>> That's bad.
[42:31] » I'm bad about jumping ahead.
>> Case for competitive bidding.
[42:34] » Hey, Bruce, could you do one thing
though? Explain to me and the public
[42:38] what the annual revenue threshold means.
Actually, [cough]
[42:42] » that's when [clears throat] we reach the
um let me get
[42:47] that's where you know we pay a flat
parking management fee $1,850 a a month
[42:52] I believe to pivot when the um
[clears throat] when we get to the total
[42:57] revenue of um our annual threshold of
three um 237,500
[43:04] they will get an 8 and a half% basically
incentive fee a bonus or that's their
[43:09] that's their commission.
after that
[43:11] » on the amount above that. Right. So
they're not getting anything if if this
[43:16] year we did 3.3 million.
>> Right.
[43:20] » Right.
>> All they get is $1850 a month.
[43:23] » Right.
>> Period.
[43:24] » Right.
>> Then above that is when the eight and a
[43:28] half kicks in. Correct.
>> Okay.
[43:29] » Just make sure I understand.
>> But the eight and a half's based on what
[43:31] is above that threshold,
>> right? Yeah. Start making Yeah.
[43:41] So, um, yeah, just went over that. The,
um, Freeman Park, the next slides are
[43:47] about the competitive bidding and, you
know, what's good and what's bad about
[43:52] it. Um, typically like, um, Councilman
Lceto said, you we we try to do that. We
[43:57] do it uh, usually with GFL and and waste
management, although depending on what
[44:02] we're seeing on that one, too. just been
because if we're seeing other people
[44:05] getting a lot better rate that we
definitely do it um we've done it for
[44:09] our own like healthcare we did this year
we do things so um just depending what
[44:14] the market but if we have a good like
you said a good partner it makes a world
[44:17] of difference we've we've renewed with
GFL before just
[44:20] » because the rate we saw the rates
similar and we know the hassle of
[44:23] getting new trash cans and new billing
and everything else but
[44:26] » that is a huge advantage to a public
entity
[44:29] » right
>> is that you have that because I can tell
[44:31] you on the private sector we don't know
what our competitors are getting on
[44:36] insurance supplies and landscaping
services and all that because it's not
[44:41] shared.
>> So you said I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[44:43] » No, I was just I'm jealous because I
have to deal with this in the in my
[44:47] private job and I I have to guess or get
inside knowledge or try to get people to
[44:52] tell me what are they paying. Uh it's
hard to do but I hear it's all publicly
[44:56] available.
>> Sorry Wayne, I didn't mean to cut you
[44:59] off.
>> No. Uh, you said you did renew GFL this
[45:03] year.
>> No, I I have we have to evaluate that. I
[45:06] think that renewal is coming up in the
next year, I believe. Brian,
[45:09] » and anecdotally, and not that I use
Facebook as a source for anything, but
[45:14] there was actually a post this morning
of a resident that has done that
[45:20] research on competing towns and
everything.
[45:22] » I saw that.
>> And our rates are favorable to everybody
[45:25] else
>> per his research, not our research. res
[45:29] now.
>> Interesting.
[45:31] » Do Facebook, but I'll have to go get
somebody to share that with me.
[45:34] » Take a picture of that one.
>> All right. So, that's um it's up to
[45:40] council to either renew this contract
with Pivot Park and that's what I'm
[45:42] requesting approval to renew.
>> So, do you need consensus or you need a
[45:46] motion?
>> I need I would need a motion.
[45:48] » So, let me try and see. I'll start and
you guys can we can still debate all you
[45:52] want. Um,
I'll make a motion to approve the
[45:58] contract with Pivot Parking. Can I just
say as you presented it the terms that
[46:03] you presented or do you want me to read
them?
[46:06] » All right. So, motion on the floor now.
Further discussion.
[46:10] » So, the only thing I'm going to say,
especially being on this side, parking
[46:15] has always been it's always been an
issue, right? But I think Pippet has
[46:21] done a great job and and I rate it by
how many complaints or how many people
[46:26] that we talk to on a regular basis. And
I'll be honest with you, this year it
[46:30] was hardly anything.
>> Zero for me.
[46:33] » So So my point is
>> how many you had? I'm curious. I
[46:36] » I only had one and it was
>> Well, I had one, but it's incredible.
[46:39] » But they were guilty.
>> Well, the one for me was because
[46:42] somebody the attendant didn't fit the
right parking lot in.
[46:46] » Yeah. Usually it's some kind of error.
Not
[46:49] malicious or anything. It's always some
kind of user on the customer or the
[46:53] attendant like we had one recently where
they forgot to switch what lot they were
[46:57] in and accidentally wrote some over the
past.
[46:59] » That's that was mine.
>> Yeah.
[47:01] » And those errors are going to happen no
matter who you hire.
[47:03] » Yeah.
>> Plus, I do like the fact that Pivot is
[47:05] working with us.
>> They truly are. And they're, you know,
[47:09] this is a give and take partnership. So
the only thing that comes to my head is
[47:14] is if it's not broken, why fix it?
>> I mean, it's as simple as that.
[47:20] » You have to identify benefits.
>> I've actually witnessed pivot people
[47:25] actually prevent residents from getting
tickets. You know, I've been sitting at
[47:29] CBGB sometimes and residents pull in and
they're parked on the line
[47:34] » and one of the attendants has actually
gone over to them and said, you know,
[47:37] you might want to straighten out your
vehicle.
[47:40] » Yeah. So, you know, that kind of stuff
goes a long way with visitors.
[47:43] » That's a benefit of a longer
relationship.
[47:45] » Yeah. And a lot of credit goes in the
back of the room back there. Stephen Zer
[47:48] is our local manager here and he has
really heard council, heard staff like
[47:53] be true ambassadors and they they've
taken that um in hand and and taken it
[47:57] seriously.
>> The complaints have definitely Jay and I
[48:00] have been with this from the very
beginning with pivot this relationship
[48:03] with Pivot and watched it. It was rocky.
>> Rocky versus Rocky fair. kind [laughter]
[48:08] of rocky.
>> Um,
[48:10] » as
the one still sitting here who came in
[48:14] at the end of accepting pivots uh
transition, it was uh rocky to say the
[48:20] least. So, they do deserve a little, you
know,
[48:23] » but I will say, so I will say this,
mayor, I
[48:26] » coming into this this morning, I was
like, there's no way I'm going to agree
[48:29] to a three-year contract. But knowing
that we have an exit strategy that's
[48:33] basically based on capital improvements
that would transfer to the town should
[48:38] we exit with 90 with a 90-day clause. I
think that's um I too you know we I
[48:44] asked I think it was Benson and I asked
that they call themselves ambassadors
[48:48] instead of parking attendants and I
think they have gone uh to more of an
[48:54] ambassador role. I've seen them I've
actually I walk every morning so I see
[48:57] them out talking to people in the
parking lots instead of just writing a
[49:01] ticket. So and the fact that if we go
with this three years then they will no
[49:06] longer be getting incentives for writing
tickets. I am very happy about that.
[49:10] very happy.
>> Yeah, I'd like to say a good job. I did
[49:12] a bunch of chicken scratch here while
we're going just so uh we can all be on
[49:17] the record.
Staff's recommending this. I'm going to
[49:21] vote for uh mayor's motion, but I'll
give you some reasons. I like to have a
[49:27] basis in why I'm say I'm doing one thing
or another. Um
[49:33] that's a hold over from the board of
adjustments. They met the ME metrics
[49:38] projections. uh essentially what they
said they could do, they delivered and
[49:45] they continue to do it. If we get out of
the one we have or go to RFP and we're
[49:51] to choose somebody else,
we know we're going to have to spend a
[49:56] lot of money and have a lot of
aggravation. That aggravation is going
[49:59] to come at a time when we have a ton of
infrastructure work. I anticipate
[50:06] there'll be some displacement of parking
during that infrastructure. I'm not sure
[50:11] it would be the best time to not uh to
be working with someone new. Uh I'm
[50:17] inclined to take their the concessions
that they're offering and good job on
[50:22] those concessions like the LPR. You
didn't get into you said we paid for one
[50:27] LPR and they ate the other one because
you didn't have have the budget for it.
[50:31] Good job on that as well. love the fact
that you took them out of or they agreed
[50:36] and you agreed to be not part of the
incentives on the tickets. But I I
[50:42] really believe there is a 90-day exit,
but I really believe the best time to
[50:48] negotiate will be when we own and
control those nine parcels. That will
[50:55] change the landscape
of any bid we get. It will change the
[50:59] landscape of how we look at things.
It'll probably change the landscape of
[51:04] where residents may now be able to go
back to and park as they did before
[51:09] before the acco requirements. So, I
think the best time to do that is when
[51:14] we have the maximum we fully believe and
intend to close on those lots. And so, I
[51:20] think when we have that
uh opportunity, I think we'll get more
[51:25] competitive bids then than we will. and
we know that that's just short of two
[51:30] years any or three years anyway with the
90-day out. I'm going to support the
[51:34] motion the mayor.
>> So, there's one other topic I think we
[51:37] need to bring up just so we clear the
air on this. Um, and I'm throwing a
[51:42] wrench in this. Uh, people have have
talked about bringing it inhouse
[51:49] and can you explain why that would not
be a good idea? Uh we've talked and and
[51:56] Ed Ed and I both agree we could manage
it. Um but several reasons I think it
[52:01] would be could be problematic. I think
they're parking experts. They do this
[52:06] for a living. That this would be just
something we'd be creating and we'd
[52:09] probably hire the same employees as the
mayor mentioned earlier um to get that
[52:13] knowledge. Um, but then I think there
would be some un unfair pressures on
[52:20] staff if it's, you know, separating them
from the town about parking tickets. Um,
[52:27] not the mayor would do this, but the
mayor friend got a ticket. Hey, you
[52:31] know, you
>> never they're paying.
[52:33] » Yeah. A future mayor might or may little
>> my husband got a ticket. He's paying it.
[52:38] » Plus, you know, plus the cost of
insurance, the cost. I mean, it's just
[52:41] not that's why other cities don't do it.
cost of the software engineering.
[52:45] » There you go.
>> That's the highest ticket right there,
[52:48] isn't it, M?
>> That was exactly where I was going. The
[52:50] biggest issue is, and I don't mean any
disrespect from this, Bruce, but I do
[52:56] not have confidence in your staff's
ability to select a software system and
[53:03] manage and run it, right,
>> to run parking. And that is no
[53:06] disrespect to you. And pay for it.
>> Yeah. And so I'm more on the system side
[53:12] than the people side from my standpoint.
Now, could you get there? Absolutely. I
[53:18] think you guys could could work up to
that at some point. But right out of the
[53:21] gate, just to say, "Hey, in 90 days,
we're going to go start sourcing systems
[53:25] and install them.
>> It's not
[53:27] » and and the personnel cost, as Jay
mentioned, um labor cost for uh private
[53:33] sector is a lot cheaper than labor costs
for municipal government."
[53:36] » Exactly.
>> Yeah. And there's certain things, you
[53:38] know, in business that
just beg to be outsourced and not done
[53:42] in-house.
>> You know, your team has great
[53:47] competencies in what they do,
>> right?
[53:49] » You know, to go out and bring that
knowledge in and replace that knowledge
[53:53] and this is what they do and they've
done it successfully. In other other
[53:57] towns, they continue to do it
successfully. So, you know, yeah, what
[54:04] would be the right number of people that
you'd have to hire to do it? What would
[54:07] be the capital that we'd have to put
out? The technology piece,
[54:11] » it's not as simple as it sounds that
you're just getting rid of Pivot's fee
[54:15] and that's it. We're ahead of the game.
>> Total mess.
[54:20] Yeah, I think you would I I'd be
hardressed to believe that you could you
[54:24] would have to increase revenue to cover
the additional cost, which would mean
[54:29] you would have to raise parking rates.
And to me, that's a non-starter. Raising
[54:33] parking rates to bring it in house
doesn't doesn't work in my mind. So,
[54:38] anyway, everybody good? So, with that,
motion's already been made. Motion on
[54:42] the floor. All in favor? I.
>> Any opposed?
[54:45] » Motion passes. Good job, Bruce. Bruce,
>> thank you for doing it.
[54:48] » I will say I'm on the opposite of that.
I think staff could do it. That just me.
[54:53] » I think they could train up. I'm not
saying I'm just saying in 90 days you're
[54:57] not going to do it.
>> I agree with you.
[54:58] » Oh, I agree. 90 days or whatever it is.
>> I agree with 90 days we would be able to
[55:02] do that.
>> I think staff could do it. I just think
[55:04] I don't think staff could do it as
>> I think it would cost more than what we
[55:10] pay.
>> I say we got three years to figure it
[55:12] out.
>> Yeah, I agree.
[55:14] » That's how long the learning
>> Okay. An hour. Um
[55:17] » because we both just think until we look
at it. [laughter]
[55:19] » Exactly.
>> Can we talk to Eric now? Something fun.
[55:22] » Yeah. Well, somebody gave us something
and then that was great and then we kind
[55:26] of slid downhill that Bruce want to talk
about parking. Now, now with Eric, what
[55:30] are you going to do for us? Eric.
>> Eric's gonna bring me Christmas. That's
[55:32] what Eric's going to do.
>> We're going to get to Christmas.
[55:36] » All right. So, I'm just going to give
you guys a little overview of uh the the
[55:40] I know the agenda says event updates,
but we're going to also uh give you
[55:44] update on all the programs and events
that are sponsored by the Town of
[55:47] Carolina Beach Parks and Recreation
Department uh that we have um some say
[55:51] in. So, the first well, okay, so the
first thing is Boardwalk Music. We made
[55:58] we we have made it through 14 weeks
already, right? We had 14 out of 16.
[56:03] It's incredibly long season, but uh very
>> with only one rain out.
[56:07] » Very enjoyable. What's that?
>> With only one rain out.
[56:09] » With one rain out. Right. So, the
beautiful thing about the rain out is
[56:14] that we are all set for a double show on
Labor Day weekend. So, Labor Day
[56:19] weekend, we're looking at uh uh to end
this season on some uh double show for
[56:23] fireworks. Uh this is the first time
this has happened since we've taken over
[56:28] the the Boardwalk Music, but we did have
a schedule change, so I just wanted to
[56:31] highlight that. Uh uh Bart Latimore
unfortunately was not able to attend. Uh
[56:36] he was supposed to play on the 27th. So
we were able to quickly fill in with uh
[56:40] Justin Cody Fox. Uh great musician,
great local musician, so we're really
[56:44] excited to welcome him to the boardwalk
stage this coming Thursday. Uh on behalf
[56:50] of all of the the the programs at the
boardwalk with the fireworks, I mean it
[56:53] is not a parks and recolle. I mean there
are resources from all towns. So, the
[56:59] police department, fire department,
public works, we really appreciate
[57:03] everything that they've done. And then
the amount of volunteers that we have.
[57:08] We have two amazing fireworks volunteer
uh coordinators, Amanda and Christina,
[57:12] and they gather all these other
volunteers and make sure that the entire
[57:17] boardwalk uh is covered and secure for
fireworks for 16 weeks. So, we really do
[57:22] appreciate that and um looking forward
to continuing to work with those folks.
[57:29] Um, so I'm going to dive into some
program.
[57:32] » I just got to point out that it's like
80% chance of rain on Thursday.
[57:35] » I don't think so.
>> Lynn Barbie. [laughter]
[57:38] » No, the reason is because Justin Cody
Fox, I love him and I love watching his
[57:43] music and the last time we had him, he
was rained out. So when Deb told me last
[57:48] week, hey, we're having a schedule
change, I was like, yes, this is great.
[57:51] I'm looking forward to this show.
>> Then I look at the weather forecast. So,
[57:55] I'm using the three-day ahead rule since
I'm predicting it. It'll never happen
[57:58] now.
>> It's It's Tuesday. [laughter]
[58:01] The weather forecast changes on the
hour. So, just be quiet about that.
[58:06] » I'm trying to jinx the weather, D. I
want this to happen.
[58:09] » Then bring your umbrella. That'll fix
it.
[58:11] » All right. So, yeah. No. Uh, feel free
if you guys have any questions or
[58:15] comments as I go through these slides,
feel free to just jump in and let me
[58:18] know. But, uh, so we're going to break
them down into categories. We got the
[58:21] youth athletics, adult athletics,
special events, and holiday programs.
[58:24] And just a little highlight, these are
only the townsponsored events through
[58:28] parks and recreation department. We have
so many other events in Carolina Beach
[58:34] that are not in this, but uh in this uh
slideshow, but Tim will continue to
[58:39] update those in front of council Tim
Murphy. Uh and I think he's at an events
[58:43] committee meeting right now going over
some additional events. So uh he'll
[58:47] update those at the next council
meeting. So, uh, youth athletics, our,
[58:52] uh, athletic supervisor is Bryce Missen,
and he's done a, uh, excellent job. Uh,
[58:57] since he's taken over, he continues to,
uh, harness more talent from our
[59:01] community, expand those programs. Uh, we
have a youth flag football program
[59:06] that's, I believe, we're entering our
fifth year of doing that. And every year
[59:09] it grows. when we're sitting down and
looking at our our our space and what we
[59:14] can accommodate uh at Mike Chipple Park.
Uh now we have games starting at 5:40
[59:19] and the last game starts at 8:30 on
Friday. But it is such a great uh
[59:23] community event to see those folks
participate. We also have a youth
[59:27] wrestling club that utilizes our our
recreation center uh and another avenue
[59:32] uh that's getting started as well. We
have fall gymnastics
[59:37] uh kicking off and those are age groups
uh go from kindergarten all the way up
[59:42] through I think advanced is 13 14 plus.
Uh we have a youth lacrosse league which
[59:49] is uh continues to be a growing sport in
this community and that is held
[59:53] completely 100% at Mike Chapel Park. Uh
they do a great job uh facilitating
[59:58] that.
Um, and then obviously we have our
[1:00:02] flagship youth basketball program that
has been around forever. Uh, and we're
[1:00:08] constantly looking at uh switching
things up there to see if we can uh
[1:00:12] accommodate more uh gym space to get
more teams because we we get a ton of
[1:00:16] folks. So, if anyone's out there
listening, that registration starts on
[1:00:20] September 21st. Be ready. It's important
to get your registration in. Uh we would
[1:00:25] like to have as many uh local residents
as possible uh competing in that
[1:00:30] program.
Uh and then uh we also have adult
[1:00:34] athletics overview. Uh we um just
finished up the adult co-ed softball uh
[1:00:41] league with the championship game last
uh last night. Thank goodness. Uh
[1:00:46] because it's the long season in the
summer with lots of rain and turning
[1:00:51] ball fields in the summer and Bryce is
out there and he's coming back and I
[1:00:56] think he brings three or four shirts to
work. Sometimes I'm like, "You just need
[1:00:59] to go home and take a shower, dude."
But uh it's uh it was it's great to see
[1:01:04] that league happen. Uh that will roll
right into our adult basketball league
[1:01:09] that we have over at the recreation
center. And then we had uh I think this
[1:01:13] is the third year of our co-ed adult
kickball league. So we continued to um
[1:01:18] listen to the community if there's
programs that we can want if we can fit
[1:01:22] them into our schedule and we make that
happen. So we're excited to offer those.
[1:01:26] Uh and then some of the special event
spotlights for uh September. We have the
[1:01:32] Carolina Beach Police Department bike
rodeo that's coming up on Saturday,
[1:01:35] September 12th from 1 to 4 at the rec
center. And uh that's all all hands on
[1:01:40] deck uh community event. And then we
also have our annual Halloween carnival
[1:01:45] at Mike Chubble Park which will be held
on uh Friday October third uh October
[1:01:51] 23rd. And that's a really great fun
community event as well over at Mike
[1:01:55] Chel Park. We probably get I don't know
600 to 900 people that attend that
[1:02:01] event. So it's always fun. Um, and then
going into the holiday programs, we are
[1:02:06] going to continue to offer letters to
Santa. That's a community volunteer
[1:02:10] program. We have this great uh North
Pole mailbox outside the rec center. We
[1:02:15] encourage those uh kids to get their
letters in and then they will get one uh
[1:02:20] a letter uh returned to them. Hopefully,
they're good. Uh we are kicking off a
[1:02:25] holiday rating contest. Uh this is a new
event uh this year where we are going to
[1:02:32] have commercial and residential and
we're still working out the kinks on
[1:02:35] that. I believe there's a meeting today
and
[1:02:38] » at 11
>> an hour. Yeah. To go over that. Uh so
[1:02:42] we're we're just trying to get everybody
to spruce up their businesses and houses
[1:02:46] and have it a fun competition. So
looking forward to to that program. Uh
[1:02:51] early festivities, the uh lighting of
the lake. Uh the town is uh parks and
[1:02:57] recreation department is going to be
more involved in that program uh and
[1:03:01] working with the island of lights
community to provide additional
[1:03:06] uh a amenities programming uh
festivities to that event. So that's
[1:03:12] Friday after Thanksgiving. We're excited
about that one. Our Christmas parade is
[1:03:17] the highlight, right? That's the first
Friday in uh December at 7 PM and
[1:03:24] registration for that is going to open
on Tuesday, September 22nd. And we
[1:03:28] usually limit it to around 125 entries.
So enter quickly and if we get past 125,
[1:03:35] we'll probably change it. [laughter]
>> Uh we'll up it.
[1:03:38] » Eric, I I tell you how important a
Christmas rate is. My wife and I
[1:03:42] scheduled vacation, bought the tickets,
reserved the hotel. We're lined up to go
[1:03:48] on vacation. My wife walks in and says,
"Oh, no. That's the weekend of the
[1:03:52] Christmas parade. Vacation was canceled,
buddy." [laughter]
[1:03:57] Uh, we we love our Christmas parade.
That that is one event of our holiday
[1:04:02] program that is definitely all hands on
deck. I mean, there is so much work that
[1:04:06] our public safety crews do to make sure
that it's safe that the public does not
[1:04:09] even know about. But we're constantly
having meetings and updating and street
[1:04:13] making sure that everyone's safe and you
know flowing traffic and and all that
[1:04:18] stuff as well. So
>> closing Lake Park Boulevard.
[1:04:21] » Yeah, like Lake Park Boulevard and
safety and checkpoints and all that
[1:04:25] stuff. So it's we're we're excited to
have that. Uh
[1:04:28] » yeah, those I just want to add to that
just second what you said with the
[1:04:32] public safety folks on that. They do a
great job every Thursday night, but
[1:04:36] especially during that event when you
have vehicles moving in crowds as big as
[1:04:41] we have, it takes a lot of planning. I
don't think people realize what those
[1:04:46] people go through pre-planning and
pregaming that
[1:04:50] » so that everybody leaves the same way
they came. So, just want to
[1:04:54] » kudos to that group.
>> They do a phenomenal job. parks and
[1:04:56] rack, we kind of get to do the fun part
and do the registration and send the
[1:05:00] letters out and make sure everybody's
lined up, but they're doing a lot of
[1:05:03] work behind the scenes to make sure it's
safe for everybody. Uh we have our
[1:05:07] holiday market that is on uh Saturday,
December 5th. That's the the sat
[1:05:13] Saturday after our parade. Uh and that
is from 9 to 3. That's a huge event. And
[1:05:18] then we also have a lot of children's
activities. Santa Claus is there. Uh
[1:05:23] face painting, all of that as well. Um,
so that's we we we enjoy that event.
[1:05:28] We're uh showing a holiday movie on
Saturday, December 12th at the lake,
[1:05:33] which is always fun. Uh, and we'll have,
I believe it's the Christmas story this
[1:05:37] year. That's we just picked that one, so
we're excited. Um, and then we have a
[1:05:43] Christmas by the Sea program, uh, which
will be held at Lake Park. We'll have
[1:05:47] Santa Claus train rides. We have this
awesome train that'll be out in the
[1:05:51] community. People love to see it. It's
it's it's been uh spiffed up and working
[1:05:57] really well for the last like you know
couple months. We've been tweaking it
[1:06:01] and working on it. So that will be out
there and that will also be at the
[1:06:05] lighting at the lake as well. Uh we have
holiday music with Randy McQuay. He's a
[1:06:10] great local musician. And then we'll
have some food vendors out there. And
[1:06:14] then the new event that we added this
year is a familyfriendly celebration at
[1:06:19] the boardwalk for New Year's Eve. Uh we
understand that there's a lot of
[1:06:23] families in Carolina Beach and you know
you don't necessarily want to have them
[1:06:27] out until midnight uh celebrating New
Year's. So we're looking at a
[1:06:31] familyfriendly celebration from 6:00 to
8:00 p.m. I'm not going to give away all
[1:06:35] the things but just think about a bunch
of beach balls falling and being able to
[1:06:40] grab one and take one home and uh
>> with the Carolina Beach logo on them.
[1:06:44] » Yes,
>> there'll be something going on.
[1:06:46] [laughter]
Uh, so we're we're still working on a
[1:06:49] lot of this. A lot of these a lot of
these events we actually start for
[1:06:52] Christmas. We actually start in January
because vendors go really quickly to
[1:06:56] like
>> especially the good Santaas.
[1:06:58] » Yeah, those those good folks with
beards. Um, uh, yeah, we're looking
[1:07:03] forward to that event and that event
will take place at Carolina Beach
[1:07:06] Boardwalk from 6:00 to 8. Uh, it's
inaugural year. It's the first year.
[1:07:10] We're looking at um just testing the
waters and and and then expanding as we
[1:07:15] see, you know, in years. But we we we we
ideally we like to continue to do this
[1:07:20] every year and grow the event at the at
the boardwalk. So those are all of the
[1:07:25] programs.
Yes, those are all of the programs that
[1:07:28] we have going on from September through
uh wait
[1:07:34] » January.
>> December. [laughter]
[1:07:37] » So parks are right. So I do want to add
so if you have not seen Caroline Beach
[1:07:42] is in the top 25 for the Hallmark Marius
Town. So please you can go on I think
[1:07:48] the chamber has the link. I have the
link. You can vote every day until
[1:07:52] September 4th. So vote vote vote.
>> I just wish we had a better picture.
[1:07:57] » Yeah.
>> Well I didn't submit the application but
[1:08:01] um
>> it's just it's the Christmas tree.
[1:08:03] » I know where the other ones are.
>> I know. I know. I didn't submit it. So
[1:08:08] Uh, Eric, I
>> I will thank null Stevens for actually
[1:08:10] submitting that. So,
>> Eric, I just want to say we appreciate
[1:08:14] all towns. Um,
I mean, we like it that our water works
[1:08:19] and the toilets flush and all those
sorts of things. police keep us safe,
[1:08:23] but your team, the energy that they
bring,
[1:08:27] uh, they're really in the quality of
life business for us all.
[1:08:31] » And, uh, it it really bulls, a lot of it
comes back to parks and recreation
[1:08:37] efforts that make it, it's the reason we
have events all the time and the reason
[1:08:41] it's a great place to live and a great
place to retire and a great place for
[1:08:44] your grandkids to come visit is the
programs you put together. So, I just
[1:08:48] want to say thank you.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that. And um
[1:08:51] yeah, I just I'm so thrilled uh to be
able to work in this in my role and have
[1:08:55] the staff that I do with uh Heather, I
mean Heather, Aaron, Bryce, Tim,
[1:09:00] [clears throat] got Zach and Jack uh at
the front desk of the rec center. I
[1:09:04] mean, we got such a great crew. We're a
fun dysfunctional family at times, but
[1:09:08] uh we enjoy each other. [laughter]
>> Thank you, sir.
[1:09:12] » Um the next on there was an agenda item,
and since I brought it up, I guess I'll
[1:09:17] address it real quick. There was an
agenda item to go over St. Joseph
[1:09:20] Street. Um, and I'd ask Bruce at the
request of a resident actually just to
[1:09:25] give an update. Um, but I think you got
some things going on that's in the mix
[1:09:31] and you're going to bring that back to
us at a different
[1:09:34] » date. Correct. I can bring it we'll have
some more updates soon and we'll put
[1:09:36] some online too. But
>> okay.
[1:09:38] » Basically, we're got ready to go bid.
We're meeting with DOT. Actually,
[1:09:41] staff's meeting them right now.
>> Um, but hopefully going out to bid soon
[1:09:44] and we'll do some updates and refresh
everybody's memory where we are. She
[1:09:48] wasn't looking for any particular
decision. I think it's just you got new
[1:09:51] people who've moved in. They weren't
here two years ago when the plans were
[1:09:55] put up on the board, whatever. I I don't
think she was looking for
[1:09:59] » I think I mean, she asked me for
example. I just want to know what it
[1:10:02] looks like and where it's going to go,
>> you know? So, I think just a real high
[1:10:05] level update would be good.
>> Okay. Good.
[1:10:07] » All right.
>> Uh I just I wanted to thank staff,
[1:10:11] especially Ed for the presentations we
did yesterday on Freeman Park. It was so
[1:10:17] well attended. I was very thrilled with
the number of people that showed up. Um,
[1:10:21] the future of Freeman Park is in our
hands and I think we need to tread
[1:10:26] carefully and make sure we make the
right decisions and there was a lot of
[1:10:29] good input yesterday.
>> But I just really want to toot Ed and
[1:10:33] and Kim's horn for putting on a great
presentation yesterday. they that I
[1:10:38] agree and the feedback that's coming
from that it's amazing to juxtapose that
[1:10:44] feedback with what you hear
>> right because everyone who attended that
[1:10:50] I spoke with and then I read some of
your comments D thank you for that about
[1:10:53] what was going on was uh
>> and I think Ed even mentioned it is was
[1:10:58] great dialogue people enga people didn't
come in with an axe to grind they
[1:11:03] understood the balance that was we were
looking for and I just thought it was
[1:11:07] Well, we also had some people who came
in with their mindset on what they
[1:11:09] wanted and then when they heard Ed's
presentation, they actually changed
[1:11:13] their mind on
>> on the conservation part of
[1:11:17] » Yeah.
>> of that beautiful piece of land that we
[1:11:19] own.
>> And that was a good presentation. I
[1:11:21] agree with
>> um I will say Ed and I talked about it
[1:11:25] and there was a lot of people who wanted
to know, you know, there's people who
[1:11:28] couldn't make it yesterday because of
work and those kinds of things. So,
[1:11:31] we're going to try to put together
something so we can have a mini session
[1:11:36] basically at the lake at one of our um
markets that
[1:11:40] » in the future. So,
>> what was the attendance? Do you know
[1:11:43] total attendance?
>> Um so, we had 24 people at the first
[1:11:47] session, 30 people at the second, and
then 23 people um at the third one.
[1:11:52] » Is that that's
>> that's huge.
[1:11:55] » That sounds like the most we've ever
had. Have we ever had
[1:11:58] » we've never had that many people show up
for open house ever.
[1:12:01] » And I mentioned this a dead mayor tell
you
[1:12:04] » it tells you about our demographic when
you have the fewest people come after
[1:12:08] work.
>> There's been a demographic
[1:12:12] » shifting. Yeah. The most came at 2:30.
The second most came at 10:30 in the
[1:12:17] morning and the fewest came at 5:30.
>> But it I mean it was very well attended.
[1:12:21] That's I mean you know usually we're
standing here going, "Okay, how many are
[1:12:23] we going to get?" And Ed and I were
really worried first thing in the
[1:12:26] morning. and we're like, is it just
going to be you and me? [laughter]
[1:12:29] [gasps] You know, so we added chairs
every session. We were adding chairs.
[1:12:32] » That's good.
>> I think it was great.
[1:12:35] » Um, just with one more thing on that I
was just going to mention to you guys is
[1:12:38] as you're discussing that, um, I know
there's a push and has been for many
[1:12:44] years from organizations like the
association and stuff to put jetties and
[1:12:49] groin or groins out there. not taking a
position one way or another, but I think
[1:12:54] you should consider in that document
whether that committee supports that or
[1:13:00] at least has some commentary around it
because when that does come, if we annex
[1:13:05] it, suddenly we'll be in on that
decision,
[1:13:07] » right? So, and I know how important it
is for your land use plan to when when
[1:13:12] you're trying to decide something and
your land use plan doesn't say anything
[1:13:15] about it,
>> you don't have the voice of the public.
[1:13:17] So, I'd like to hear the voice of the
public.
[1:13:19] » That's the excellent point. Does that
make sense what I'm asking?
[1:13:23] » Does.
>> All right. With that, uh, meeting
[1:13:25] adjourned. Thank you guys. Thanks
everybody for coming.
[1:13:30] » We'll have double the fireworks, but
we'll also have double the prizes
[1:13:32] because we had a rain out.
>> That's right. That's right.