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Recording and Progress. Hello, good evening. Welcome to the architectural review board meeting for Thursday, January 29th. Could we have roll call, please?

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chair of late for here.

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I share a corner.

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Board member Johnson.

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A little.

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Going to be some of this.

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Okay.

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This is the portion of the meeting.

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We reserve for public comments on matters.

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Not otherwise on the agenda.

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If there's any one here this evening with any comments.

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Not on the agenda tonight.

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Let us know.

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Don't see anybody here.

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Anyone on Zoom? If you like to make a public comment, please raise your hand now.

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There is

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not public comment at this time.

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All right, thank you. Just a housekeeping issue for the board. The Planning Commission is

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asking us to attend a joint meeting. The two dates given only one of which I can attend,

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but would everybody be available Monday, March 16th to meet with Planning Commission?

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Yes, Patrick. Yes. Yes, sir.

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Sure. Okay. I have a conflict on the third, but if they want to do it without me, I think that.

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People are available. Well, thanks. Okay. Thank you.

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Okay, the third of much.

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Special joint meeting.

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Did you house the new housing laws?

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I could be and I understand tonight there is a matter by staff so we're going to bring

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that to the top of the agenda so we can get that.

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I'll do the table.

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Take care of.

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Thank you.

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We'll start with this.

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I want to know if we can.

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Thank you.

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I want some.

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Sounds good.

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Thank you.

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You can come set at the table.

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Okay.

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Join us at the table and we'll talk about your plan.

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There we go.

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Chair Blake Moore, Members of the ARB.

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This is a matters by staff by the Arbor Mobile Home Park.

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They have an application for a building permit for a fence replacement along the frontage to

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4677 Carpenteria Avenue,

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we're bringing this forward to get your comments on the proposed

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fence replacement.

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We have an example of the fence right behind you, a very robust example it is.

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And that is the, that's the back of the fence, but I don't think it's heavy and we don't

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need to rotate it if we, we can, we can be careful, Cindy.

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It's really heavy.

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Okay. Thank you. We have an aerial of the site here. John next to the creek. We have a view

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of the existing fence looking to the south and east.

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At the entrance to the property, which is a one-way entrance into the property in the fence, comes along here at the creek bridge here.

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Here's a photo of the existing fences it runs along to this location where there's a one-way exit from the mobile home park between here and then it shows the existing fence and hedge located there.

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This is a site plan. It's kind of difficult to see, but if you look in your display, you'll end up in the little guide there, you'll see the map.

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What the purpose of the project is to improve the appearance of the Arbor Mobile Home Park Street,

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front edge along Carpenteria Avenue and the vehicle sightlines at the park exit.

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The project will remove the existing chain link and would fence atop the existing

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stem wall along Carpenteria Avenue.

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It will install a new Cedar board that is a like for like at 6 to 7 foot heights in sections

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similar to the example there, and addition, they didn't install a three-foot high black

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chain length fence that each side of the exit driveway to try to preserve and enhance the

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vehicle lines of sight for cars coming on the street pedestrians bicycles. There will be two new

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four-foot-high pedestrian gates next to the exit driveway to provide security and privacy to

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to the units adjacent to the exit.

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They will install a new six-foot high Cedar fence

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to replace the existing chain length fence

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in front of the existing and to be removed

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hedge along the western frontage.

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That will also be done to improve the lines of sight.

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And then install 24-inch Cedar fence

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a return segment, extending along Franklin Creek.

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And that's right at the corner, we'll go back here.

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Right at the very corner here, and it's difficult to see

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on this scale, but it's 24 inches to two feet,

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that just kind of makes that turn.

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And it replaces like for like the fence that's in that location.

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This is a proposed defense detail, the front elevation,

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we have the rear elevation as you

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saw before it was changed.

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This is the proposed mounting and the fence example actually has the mountings already attached

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to it so you can see what those will look like.

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This is a mock-up of, well, photo of the existing fence and then compared with a photo

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simulation of the proposed fence to the exit way, and this one shows the existing

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from Carpentry Avenue, this demonstrates the current visibility triangle issues that are

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being addressed by the change. And we have the applicant here to discuss. We have Kevin with

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If there's there, and we have the owners of the mobile home park here, and they can

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need to go and introduce yourselves.

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Yeah, hi there.

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My name is Kevin Hurley.

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I'm with the lighthouse fence company, and we were brought in to try to help beautify this

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street front.

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So, I think the plans and the PDFs kind of sum up what we're trying to do.

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And I think right now there's two different fences there and getting all of that out of there

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in replace with a nice clean looking fence will help help it blend in with the rest of the

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neighborhood that's changing.

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Anything down?

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I'm just a property manager.

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Okay.

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The line 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 here, but.

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Okay.

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Questions from the board?

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Questions for staff?

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How tall is a curb below the fence?

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And a fence is six, but high is plus the curb height?

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Correct.

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Yeah, yeah, that's what the existing fences, the curb ranges from like eight inches to 16 inches as the streets

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So, the fence will be seven and a half feet high at the high point.

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The currently at a highest at 17. So, we were going to match that.

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Thank you. No problem of the city height restrictions on fences against the right-hand property line.

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And speaking with the director, what we're trying to achieve is a like-for-like change out of the fence.

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It'll preserve the privacy of those that are living there.

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It'll, basically, because of that stem wall that's there,

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it's making the heights a little different,

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but it also reflects the location of the side walls of the building.

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So it gives them some privacy.

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It also blocks views from Carpentry Avenue.

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So yes, the director is recommending that it be that like for,

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like with the I'd say they are. Thank you.

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Any other questions?

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Yes. Quick one. So the is it light for like on the

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sidelines when like when the vegetation's removed.

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Uh, particular one is this will now. No, so the vegetation will be removed

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and that that that one that your point of view will be opened up and and improved.

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So I think there's some sort of guideline on sidelines and angle.

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That is where we're trying to get that as close to the angles as we can to approve a situation that is currently not ideal.

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The car's driving down the rocks out of the road.

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So you know.

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Mr. Grinder?

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That guy, that guy.

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I've had too many at Clementines.

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Board member, little?

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Yeah, many questions.

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You mentioned that there will be two fortfoot security gates, but you're not going to have security gates across the vehicle entrance.

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Correct, there will not be vehicle gates.

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Their pedestrian gates that are along that fence line for those individual properties, right on the other side of the fence.

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Yeah, they're set back.

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Okay.

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And to clarify, they're not parallel to the fence there.

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So the units that are there, they provide the gate there.

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And my one question was the existing hedge to be removed at the the other side of the property.

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Is that the purpose of that?

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Not the far and it's really just at the exit.

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So just open up.

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Just here.

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Oh, just here.

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Okay.

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Just open up the slide and back to the edge.

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That's the hedge that would be looking there.

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this one's kind of this one's pointing right on like this part of the

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property. So it didn't look like it was corresponding with anywhere where

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the fence was going. So we've just lost a lot of trees lately and I'm

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just sensitive to the point here was to take it back about 10 feet just

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for safety. Just just so you could see getting out that I think that's

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great. Any other questions?

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Do we, since this is matters, I

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do we vote or do we just give you a recommendation? I can remember.

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Just give us a recommendation.

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Just give us a recommendation.

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Okay.

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Board member Johnson.

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I'll recommend it for a lots of minutes.

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Good.

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I think we're all good with it.

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Thank you so much for coming in.

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I appreciate it.

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I think it'll look really nice.

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You're in good hands with Kevin too.

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Okay, getting on to our regular agenda.

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We're going to move up item number three.

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Serve cottages kind of Indians to number one because it is going to be continued to the next meeting, correct?

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To the February 26th we will be seeing serve cottages and condominiums.

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Megan.

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Hi, Megan.

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Okay.

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And what I neglected to do earlier on for our remaining two projects has there been any expert take

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communications with the board?

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No.

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I've attended the meetings on some four-rate maple, plan of commission and other stuff.

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All right.

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Well, we will go ahead and start a seven-four-eight maple.

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Guys, we're done.

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What do you want to come on up?

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This project is here for final review.

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Take a look.

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Good evening, Chair Blake.

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More members of the ARB.

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Tonight I've got two projects for you.

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The first one is the Bergesberg Residence Remodel in Edition.

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It's here tonight for final ARB review. And this is at 748 maple.

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So the project description, the house has gotten a little bit smaller since the last time it was

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here due to some of the changes which I'll explain in a minute. But the scope is to construct

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1,836 square feet of additions to an existing 997 square foot single family residence for

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total size of 2,833 square feet. So it's about 100 square feet plus or minus smaller than it was before.

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The first floor living space would be an additional, an additional 258 square feet, and then a new

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one car garage would add another 400 square feet to the first floor. And then the second floor addition

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would comprise 1,178 square feet. The height has not changed. It's still 21 feet and 10 inches

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Maximum Richite above finished grade. The project includes new landscaping and hard

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scape. And now post planning commission approval, the driveway entrance and the

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jackarandestreet tree are going to remain. The conversion of a 287 square foot detached

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one car garage to storage is in the back building is still part of the project. And as I

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and it was approved by the Planning Commission on November 3rd 2025.

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And just a aerial of the site to refresh your memory up here is Maple Avenue and then down here is seven.

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So it's just one end from the corner of Maple and 7th on the east side of the Maple.

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And that's a front house back house situation and the front house is the subject of this project.

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And here's the updated site plan.

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So on the main house, last time it was here, they wanted to add, have the face of the new garage

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right here in line with the existing residents, which is also in the front yard setback.

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And one of the ARB comments was to push that front wall of the new garage back to be in line

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the set-back line for architectural integrity as well as to reduce the size bulk and scale from

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the north side. And so that has occurred. Another change is that public works decided that

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since there's not a sidewalk on either side of this property and the houses along the street are

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close to the street already that the sidewalk improvements would not be required and then the

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last thing is the planning commission after a very lengthy discussion decided that the existing

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driverate apron needed to remain as is and which would also retain the jackaranda street tree that's

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right here as well. So the driveway has been modified to now be flush with a property line on the

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here so that a car can come in from the street and then maneuver into the drive and

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maneuver into the garage here.

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And the first floor plan, the big change here is

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just that that wall got moved back for the garage door here, so it would be set back.

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And although it's a 400 square foot garage, it's still just a one car garage due to the

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size and configuration, so it's just like a deep wide one car garage.

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And then the second floor plan, nothing on the exterior change, just this bedroom closet and bathroom here got reconfigured a little bit to make the bedroom a little bigger.

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But doors and windows everything stayed in the same spot, so it looks the same from the outside.

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And then here's that detached one car garage that's getting converted to storage.

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And here's the updated elevations.

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Um, pretty much everything's the same or the exception of this wall front wall of the garage getting pushed back about five feet, um, and then the second floor balcony, um, you can see here the railing was only about, um, 12 inches now it's going to be, uh, 24 inches the railing.

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We're the solid wall around the base, so no, it'll meet the code 42 inches.

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And then the noise elevation here again is that railing on the balcony and then showing how the face of the garage wall is now set back

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and the east elevation.

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So the little eyebrow roofs over the garage door and the back door.

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I've been widened a little bit from how they were originally presented.

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And then the south elevation is the same. No changes there.

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And for the colors and materials, the exterior light fixture has been to change to this more contemporary style of light.

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And then the, the sighting colors have been changed to, the hearty boards, they're proposing paint on the hearty board now.

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To add more, according to more all of the colors, whereas for more of kind of green sort of colors.

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So the, the sighting is going to be this pine trail by glidden and then the shingles shakes would be the sage splendor color also by glidden.

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And for the landscape and hard escape, the plant palette was updated to include more of the recommendations that Amy made.

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Amy can confirm but this turf area that she had a concern about for the in-wheelo, it looks like that is not changed.

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So I'll defer to Amy on that when we have our discussion.

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And then this is the detail for the permeable papers that will be here in front of the

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dinner and office room here facing the street.

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And then the plant last was updated with the Lomanda species, but the turf in the backyard

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is still proposed to be the permuda.

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So the summary of issues for discussion tonight are the proposed design revisions for architectural

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style details in the color scheme that proposed landscaping and hard-scaping revisions, including

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the in-wheelo documentation, the proposed exterior lighting fixture and night sky-friendly

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compliance and compatibility with the neighborhood and the small beach town character,

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and that concludes my presentation. Thank you, Cindy. Are there any questions for staff?

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So we're going to let him get by with that side yard violation and spite of all the work he's doing.

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What side yard violation do you speak of?

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The existing structure.

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Well, yeah, it's a legal, longer-forming and the planning commission approved the conditional use permit to allow the modifications to the.

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Are you talking about right here this part?

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Yeah.

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So, the planning commission approved the modification to allow the structural alterations to this part of the structure.

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Not demo and reconstruction, just the structural alterations with seismic upgrades and whatnot necessary to the foundation.

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Oh, they'll only say well to that.

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If I'm wrong, that assumes that the existing foundation.

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Well, they can retrofit.

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They can retrofit the existing and see if it has or lift the house or lift the parts of that house and put a new foundation set it back down again.

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But if it does end up becoming a demo in rebuild, like the Marquez Project on 7th Street,

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it will have to go back to the Planning Commission for a change in scope of work from, you know,

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alterations and structural modifications to the front yard setback to demo in rebuild after the

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fact demo in rebuild, which is a very lengthy timely process, and it holds construction essentially.

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Thank you.

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any other questions for staff?

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Dylan would you like to add to Cindy's presentation?

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No, thank you very much Cindy that was fantastic. Can I request answering only easy questions tonight?

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We'll get right on that. Okay, so I think then do we have questions for the applicant?

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Um, um, why did change the balcony front right front wall, the, uh, the, uh, the height of the pony wall below the, uh, below the cable rail.

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Yeah, just to, just for water proofing in that part of the roof, so the, when the roof comes up, was my only, my only thought on that.

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What the wall was higher before?

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So I lowered it, yeah.

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I liked it higher between you and I.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I lowered it as a request of the owner.

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They wanted a little more light in that space.

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I'll go with the second answer.

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Any other questions for Dylan?

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No, seeing none.

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I have a question.

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I want to tell me about the slight fixture that doesn't

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seem to have anything to do with the house.

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Well, the history on the light fixtures is I had a really great light fixture I've been using for the last 10 years and all of a sudden it became a problem.

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That was selected by the owner as well and I think we're open to discussion on that if needed.

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Okay, thanks for the information.

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So bring it back to the board for comments.

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Who would like to go first tonight?

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Board Member Johnson would you like to leave us off?

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Well, I think it's a fine project.

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I would just comment that I like the higher pony wool on the front balcony.

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It gives more privacy to the outside and the high-zany

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the refraff of equipment out there on the balcony to the environment and a community

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has the only reason for asking for it to be a little bit higher, but if the owners

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really really are, would try a lot if I said that and they can do it what they'd like

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to do.

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Okay.

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Board member Little?

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I kind of like the old Dylan Lights,

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especially given that the style of the house is very

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B.C. and this particular life just doesn't kind of fit for your other previous

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lights would fit a lot better. So I vote for going back to the own life

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lecture. And I would agree with the Richard Suggestion about the

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the Pony Wall up front. It just looks odd to have part Pony Wall and then the

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would be better to assist the solid while I'm in front of it.

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That's the only kind of what's I have.

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Thank you, Vice-Chirro Connor.

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Just comments on the things that have changed.

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I think it's great that this street street is going to stay.

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A lot of gymnastics around that one, but I think that's a good decision in the end.

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I am skeptical about existing foundation and the likelihood that this doesn't go back

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getting different clarifications, so I'm not exactly sure how that's going to unfold.

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But there's a lot of reliance on that because the ability to build the second floor from

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the inside is dependent on the fact that that's still there.

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So I think it's a risky proposition personally.

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I like the house of the architecture generally, of course.

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But I just don't like where it is.

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I think it's too big for a lot.

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I think not addressing the full lot is still a problem.

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And I really would encourage you to narrow the driveway on Southern Street and respect to your neighbors.

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If you look at that driveway, that's just a ridiculous amount of space that's dedicated to that house that is not actually property.

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I get it that there's apparently a legal agreement that allows it, but there's a difference between what you can do and what you should do.

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So that really concerns me, and then I also have just a standing issue, you know, that's

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outside of the bounds of the ARB, but, you know, this was a property that was a single

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family property at some point, and it became a multifamily property at another point, and

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there's plenty of cases for you to show that there should be a development plan for the

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entire property when it changes from single family to multifamily.

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So that's a contention that I continue to make and I've taken it up with a planning commission.

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So on the basis of all those things, I just, as I didn't before, I just can't support the project.

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Despite, you know, the integrity of the architecture and the, you know, addressing the issues.

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So, likes.

334
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Okay.

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And my comments are, I'm going to keep them to mostly landscape.

336
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Thank you so much for saving the tree.

337
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I don't know if you've been through monocidal lately,

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they're just territories left and right,

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so it's really nice to keep the trees we have,

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especially in nice old ones.

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There's the issue with the width of the lawn is not,

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does not conform to the wheel of standards.

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You can't irrigate a large stretch of lawn that's less

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than 10 feet wide and you've got seven feet here.

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My suggestion would be,

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I think we need to change it to a walkable ground cover,

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which I think would be,

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give you the same use that you're trying to get out of the lawn, and it would have the benefit of needing much less water to keep it looking good.

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So I can get with Cindy and give you a couple of names. Maybe we could just change it to Coropias,

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but I'd like to do. I think that's what you recommended last time.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's just a real low-tight ground cover.

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It does attract some bees, so if somebody's allergic that might be an issue, but

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It's nice because you could just walk on it. You don't have to mow it. You water it a lot less, and it's nice and clean. But for we low standards, they will not allow you to, you're not allowed to do anything less than a ten foot sectional on.

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What's we low?

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What's we low?

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What's we low? No.

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Also, California Poppy's listed on your, and I don't know if I mentioned this last time I can't remember, on your plant list is being three to four feet wide,

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Which I've never seen a California poppy get that fig. I think that you would be better served. Also, it's an annual

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So it's just gonna die so better served to use like a gal vz as bestiosa. It would be really good in that application. What is it?

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Y'all vz as bestiosa

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And it's a similar call. It's more of a red, but I think you'd get you'd get the same bang for your buck that you're getting with the poppies

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And it would be your round and you wouldn't have to you know it would look better

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Thanks for the tree.

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I think the architecture is nice and looks good.

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And I think it's actually been a proof project based on

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the feedback that the board gave.

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I think it's going to look nice.

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I concur with Board Member O'Connor's concern

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about the driveway on the other side.

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But in general, it's not part of the project

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we're really looking at right now.

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But, um, it's okay with a

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little knowledge in that tree.

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It's, do you mean that when they install it, are they going to kill the tree?

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Yeah, they've got, they don't, they don't, they don't pull quite as much.

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They are pretty shallow, but they don't pull, they're not super strong.

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I haven't seen them break things, but they are really on the top.

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um okay are we ready to make a motion oh um if you could add in your comments something

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about the light fixture oh the content this is on that for clarity light fixture

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okay either way

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I do too this is I don't mean to offend anybody but this looks like it

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should be on a hilton somewhere it doesn't really go with that yeah just to clarify

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But I think the point about the lights before was that there was a set of projects where there

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were one, two, three of them all around.

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So it's not about the light.

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It's about the concentration of the lights.

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So I think you're fine.

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I just, I don't, to be this style doesn't really reflect the style of the home.

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But I also respect that if the homeowners are happy with this.

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If this makes them happy when they walk in and see it.

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Then I guess that's the heart once with the heart once.

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So who wants to make the motion?

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I don't make a motion for approval,

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but the existing light fixture has dropped design.

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Can you add my landscape comments?

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And everything else it was said.

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Is it approval with the, with this, the new light fixture?

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Yes.

399
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Okay.

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All second that.

401
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All in favor?

402
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Aye.

403
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:31,070
Aye.

404
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All opposed?

405
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No.

406
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,020
All right.

407
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I mentioned a bunch of things.

408
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Okay.

409
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I need to cite something.

410
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I don't think that's required.

411
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I think you've expressed yourself.

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Thank you so much for coming in.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you guys.

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I do think it's going to be a great improvement in that.

416
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All right.

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Next on the agenda, the Cyprus Apartments of Innovation.

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This is also here for final review and

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everybody got the new sheet from Cindy for the landscape

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lighting.

421
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,500
I see we've had the Arctic breeze time at the meeting.

422
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It's that one right there and it blows right on your back.

423
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That's why that's the real reason I wanted to be chair is so I wouldn't have to sit

424
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We're there, our decks to the pole.

425
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,120
Please, that's the...

426
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I don't know.

427
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All right, Cindy, you're going to take us through this one too?

428
00:34:56,870 --> 00:34:57,030
Yep.

429
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:58,510
All right.

430
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Hello again.

431
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And in high page, nice to finally meet you. Okay, so this is the Cyprus Department's renovations at 49565th Street, and it's here for final ARB review.

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So for the project scope, it's interior and exterior alterations to an existing seven unit apartment building, new roof, new windows and doors, new plaster and paint, new stairways, new balcony railings,

433
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And then new landscaping and heart scape.

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And then here's the street view.

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Cypress apartments do the gigantic monastery Cypress out front.

436
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And then this is a view looking north from fifth street just to remind everybody.

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And here's the site plan, fifth street's out here at the front of the building.

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And then off of sixth street at the rear is where the vehicular access is.

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And that's where the parking is for the apartment building.

440
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So there has been a change in the scope of the project since it was here last time.

441
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Originally they were going to convert the seven units into nine units.

442
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And those two units would have been low income,

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did restricted affordable units.

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So the owner has since decided that they did not own a pursue that option.

445
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So, they are back to the basically just renovating the existing seven units that are there now.

446
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And then also, as a result of that, they are also not converting these three parking spaces in here to the storage units.

447
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So, basically, they will remain with the 13 parking spaces, and then it will remain as seven market rate units.

448
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And then here's the second floor plan, there were no real changes up here.

449
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The big change is, the colors of materials is, I think it was Patrick made the suggestion

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to go with the Benjamin Moore, I can't read by writing from the distant gray, is that what

451
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it is, distant gray, any more distant gray, instead of the other color, so they did change

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the exterior color to be that color and response to that comment. There are also comments made

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about the exterior light but they retained that exterior light and then at the meeting the applicant

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said that they would be providing landscape lighting plan prior to the final ARB review but in the

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plan there was not one included so when I reached out to page she says oh let me get that for you

456
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So hot off the press is the landscape lighting plan

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that you all see passed out in front of you

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on the table before tonight's meeting.

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And then it's basically just low pathway lights here

460
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along the two paths back to the parking area.

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And then here's the exterior fixtures.

462
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:10,390
Again, the one that we saw them in a day

463
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:11,910
go for the exterior sconces.

464
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:16,810
And then this is the new little pole lights

465
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:20,090
or path lights for the walkways

466
00:38:20,090 --> 00:38:26,490
for the landscaping, and then nothing has changed. On the landscaping plan, it's still the

467
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:32,750
extensive landscaping in the front, and then the new landscaping along the sides as was proposed earlier.

468
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:38,570
This is a little outdated because it shows those rooms being converted, but this will remain

469
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:43,650
the three parking spaces here for a total of 13 for the seven units.

470
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:48,470
And then the front fincing is still part of the project. This is also not changed,

471
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:51,010
And then here's the detail for that.

472
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,140
So the issues for comments tonight,

473
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:58,240
are the proposed exterior colors and materials

474
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,840
of proposed final landscaping plan and hard scape

475
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,680
and the proposed exterior light fixtures

476
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,240
for night sky-friendly compliance.

477
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:07,840
And that concludes my presentation.

478
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,220
Thanks, Cindy.

479
00:39:10,380 --> 00:39:11,640
Any questions for staff?

480
00:39:12,540 --> 00:39:12,860
No.

481
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,620
I had one quick question.

482
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,100
I drove by today and I know this scaffolding

483
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:21,820
and tiles coming up the roof?

484
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,520
They have an open permit right now to do the re-wave.

485
00:39:29,180 --> 00:39:31,900
Did you want to add anything to Cindy's presentation?

486
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,560
Yeah, let me clarify a couple things.

487
00:39:35,540 --> 00:39:40,260
First of all, we brought alternate light fixtures

488
00:39:40,260 --> 00:39:42,200
that I wanted to propose today.

489
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,400
That was an oversight in our part.

490
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:51,240
And so we have two night sky compliant fixtures that we're willing to integrate.

491
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,480
And that was just an oversight.

492
00:39:55,940 --> 00:39:59,980
And then also to clarify, with regard to the landscape lighting plan, the walk.

493
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:15,980
House lights. We originally didn't feel we needed a path lights and we did a night visit and walk through and then we realized that we were deficient. And so we created this recently and got it over here as quick as we could. So anyway, we've integrated that.

494
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:22,740
We think it completes the project and addresses all of the comments that the board has.

495
00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:25,900
All right, thanks Daryl.

496
00:40:26,420 --> 00:40:28,540
Bring it back to the board for comments.

497
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,960
Board, remember, little, do you want to go first this time?

498
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:36,800
You can...

499
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,900
I don't like this kind of thing.

500
00:40:38,060 --> 00:40:39,160
That's all right.

501
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,160
I'm sitting down.

502
00:40:41,820 --> 00:40:42,000
I'm sitting down.

503
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:42,040
I

504
00:40:53,630 --> 00:40:54,190
do too.

505
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:56,850
And it's just not a place.

506
00:40:57,590 --> 00:40:59,030
And I'd like to see it in the movie that...

507
00:41:00,050 --> 00:41:00,810
I'm sure that's it.

508
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:01,850
And it's perfect.

509
00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:02,810
perfect.

510
00:41:02,810 --> 00:41:03,070
Pardon me?

511
00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:05,010
There's been a doctor who brought his heart first.

512
00:41:05,470 --> 00:41:05,590
Yeah.

513
00:41:05,950 --> 00:41:06,690
And they're friends.

514
00:41:07,470 --> 00:41:11,790
But it just looks odd, I grow and ride into the lower branches of the side.

515
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:16,170
I don't know.

516
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Let's keep it planned.

517
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:21,600
I can.

518
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,500
And you get in your mic.

519
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:24,500
They can't hear you.

520
00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:25,100
Microphone.

521
00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:25,700
Microphone.

522
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:27,500
Got it.

523
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,160
The landscaping, I think, is a great upgrade for what it is.

524
00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:40,460
And the colors of the building with the midnight oil has the trim colors.

525
00:41:40,940 --> 00:41:42,380
I really like that as well.

526
00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:52,160
So I think it's a great project and I would have liked to see more low-income units, but thankfully understand probably financially why that's

527
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,380
the voice removed so other than that I'd like the project.

528
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:58,180
Thank you.

529
00:41:58,180 --> 00:41:58,900
Mr. O'Connor.

530
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:01,000
I think it's a great project.

531
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:03,340
I'm sorry to see the other modifications that I have.

532
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:10,080
But it looks really good, you know that property is not quite a gateway, but it's close.

533
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,360
There's a lot of traffic around there and the hotel is going to eventually likely be there.

534
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,220
So I think it, you know, here's to you for fixing it up.

535
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,040
And I trust your judgment on the lights.

536
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:22,480
And I trust her on the landscape.

537
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Deaks.

538
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:26,500
All right, board member Johnson.

539
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:27,680
All right.

540
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:28,260
It's fine.

541
00:42:28,460 --> 00:42:29,560
And I like the light fixtures.

542
00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:32,980
These are better than so we've got three to look at.

543
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,280
Basically the one that's on the plane set.

544
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:36,900
There's three available.

545
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,200
There's one on the plane set.

546
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:48,560
And then we'd like to order that, so it goes to use these two and mixed batteries as opposed to the one that's included in the place.

547
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,960
Do are you good with that?

548
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:52,760
Still like this one.

549
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,040
Yeah, these ones are good.

550
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,900
Okay, so just so I'm clear because I haven't seen those yet.

551
00:42:58,260 --> 00:43:02,900
In my notes that you're going to vote for the two new pictures to be used throughout the building.

552
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,500
And not that one.

553
00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:10,950
Anything else?

554
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:17,710
No, that's it. Okay. It'll be nice to have it fresh. You have something else and you can probably get by without the palm tree

555
00:43:20,090 --> 00:43:22,330
Palm tree is a street. Sorry that's wrong

556
00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:27,870
I'll make a motion do a room. I didn't get my comment. Oh, sorry

557
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:32,550
I do have one comment. I

558
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:38,010
Well, I have two comments. I think the palm tree have you seen how many trees they're taken out?

559
00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:41,250
It's really sad. Have you driven there? It's like a wasteland

560
00:43:41,250 --> 00:43:50,150
we need trees. They're going to save us. Well, it'll die one day. Like us all. Okay, so thank you

561
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:54,150
for the landscape lighting plan. I think you went there and it was super dark and you might have

562
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:58,090
overreacted just a little bit. I just feel like it's a lot of light and especially thinking

563
00:43:58,090 --> 00:44:03,510
about sleeping in these units right here. That's a lot of light right along the edge. So my request

564
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:08,550
would be like, I get it. I think you need to be safe and I think it's an area where you want it to

565
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:15,370
well live but I think you could take it down by maybe like 20 to 25 percent and I think that would

566
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:19,510
be plenty out there. We just don't want the whole thing to be glowing.

567
00:44:20,930 --> 00:44:25,230
Yeah, we should check the wattage on that. Yeah, what is Fx?

568
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:33,050
Can't see it, I'm sure. Yeah, this is too much yet. Anybody get, I gotta get my magnifier out.

569
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:39,990
And well, if it's LED, it should be around 25, what's LED, it's fine.

570
00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:48,130
We're happy to cut back 20, 25% and we'll use a lower wattage so it doesn't blast light.

571
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:49,010
That's not the intention.

572
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,400
I still can't read it.

573
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:58,540
I don't even see it.

574
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,480
I don't see it.

575
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,240
I don't see it listed, so just yeah, maybe just with who ever is going to make the motion could include to just confirm the water to the fixtures.

576
00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:13,260
And it's warm, not cool, right?

577
00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:17,360
Okay, who would like to make a motion?

578
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,740
Oh, no, the palm tree.

579
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,180
Yeah, I like the palm tree. I like most trees.

580
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:34,930
I'll make a motion to approve with a comment's noted.

581
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:35,390
Second.

582
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:36,730
All in favor?

583
00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:37,490
Hi.

584
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:38,070
Hi.

585
00:45:38,770 --> 00:45:39,150
All right.

586
00:45:39,350 --> 00:45:39,910
Thank you, guys.

587
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:41,010
So much for coming in.

588
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:42,350
Thank you.

589
00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:43,690
Let's do it.

590
00:45:43,930 --> 00:45:44,410
Okay.

591
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:50,770
So, last week, do we have any other business we did our matters by staff already?

592
00:45:51,210 --> 00:45:52,310
So, what

593
00:46:05,110 --> 00:46:05,750
are you saying?

594
00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:06,530
Which one?

595
00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:11,370
Well, I thought there should have done something with the roof to make a little more interesting.

596
00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:17,650
they could have put some false chimneys on there. They could have boxed in the stairway of this pile.

597
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:19,210
It's just a matter of more interesting.

598
00:46:20,310 --> 00:46:24,370
So the earlier one below the budget, the only one did do some stuff.

599
00:46:24,850 --> 00:46:27,350
I don't think I don't remember anything on the roof.

600
00:46:28,170 --> 00:46:30,070
Did he have something like that?

601
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:30,750
I don't think so.

602
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:31,350
I don't think so.

603
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:37,370
We did our matters by staff so we're done with that.

604
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:45,550
the meeting minutes for the last meeting December 11th. I will not be voting on those since I was not here.

605
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:47,330
Motion to approve.

606
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:48,410
I sat there.

607
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:49,210
Oh,

608
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,800
somebody left.

609
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:57,280
Sorry, Richard.

610
00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:01,250
Thanks you guys.

611
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:08,860
The second page is out the bottom of the third from the bottom of the line.

612
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:14,120
The question is based on former Johnson asked if the two P styles okay.

613
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,900
And he said it was no issues.

614
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,740
It's a one-piece tile that looks like two-piece.

615
00:47:19,940 --> 00:47:22,800
So it's a one-piece that's trying to be a two-piece,

616
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:24,120
and that's why I didn't like about it.

617
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,460
So it's not a two-piece tile to start with.

618
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:38,540
Under Johnson that said, I wanted to add,

619
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:41,000
he could do pop-outs, et cetera,

620
00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:43,240
to make those bathroom windows a little more

621
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:44,540
interesting on that elevation.

622
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:45,620
I remember that.

623
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,220
But just didn't pop-outs on the bathroom elevation.

624
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,040
So it said, it's quoted me as saying, I don't know what I would have done instead, and

625
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,360
then, as I thought about it for a little while, I came back later and said, oh, I can do

626
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:06,740
a pop out.

627
00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:08,460
I do remember that.

628
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:08,920
Right.

629
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,420
French balcony off the shower.

630
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:11,520
I do remember that.

631
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,640
Modify the motion to include Richard's changes.

632
00:48:22,140 --> 00:48:23,340
And then I'll second that.

633
00:48:23,460 --> 00:48:23,860
Modification.

634
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,500
All in favor?

635
00:48:26,740 --> 00:48:26,980
Hi.

636
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:28,840
Hi.

637
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,140
All right.

638
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,140
Matters referred by planning commission,

639
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Matters by staff,

640
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Matters by boardman.

641
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:38,100
Anybody on the board have a matter?

642
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:39,180
No matter.

643
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,720
What's happening with the high rise?

644
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:41,660
Yeah.

645
00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:42,660
I hope again.

646
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:51,220
So at 5-1-10,

647
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:58,380
Ogan Road, it is 210 foot tall, 18-story building

648
00:48:58,380 --> 00:49:10,320
And with three levels of ground floor parking and 15 stories of the mix of housing types

649
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:22,280
with 20% deemed affordable at 26 units as a third floor roof of the parking structure

650
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:30,720
there will be a swimming pool, a fitness room, and that's what I've got now, I'm sorry.

651
00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:39,120
So the website edition recently is really good.

652
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:46,280
That shows a bunch of detail on the major projects and the communications, basically a

653
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,960
street file for every big project, which is pretty cool.

654
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:56,100
Yeah, all right, but it really is 18 years old. Yes, it is. It really is 18 years old.

655
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:58,220
Any pumps to dip water up?

656
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:58,940
Oh my gosh.

657
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:12,080
All right, so attendance of board members for the next meeting, our meeting next is going to be February 12th. Is everybody available to attend that day? I should check, I can't. And if I, if I may.

658
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:27,880
Oh, I'm not going to be here. Chair, like Laura. So yes, staff is right now. It's looking like we may not have anything ready for you at that time, and it would be looking towards the 26th as a meeting.

659
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,940
Yeah, that works.

660
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,960
If I can make the 12th, but I'd be grateful if we didn't.

661
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:37,200
I will not be available on the 12th.

662
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,020
I will be available on the 26th.

663
00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:43,080
Would we have a quorum on the 12th if we...

664
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,340
Yeah, I'll check with her, but the three of you.

665
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,580
Yeah, I'll be, I think I can make it.

666
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:50,060
Great if we didn't.

667
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,720
I'll be in her vine if it does.

668
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:52,300
I'll be in her vine if it does.

669
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,660
I think I'll be in her vine if it does.

670
00:50:56,420 --> 00:51:00,820
Okay, I think we are adjourned at 621.