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Cicadas and the spinners of competing soundtrack. Through every ancient family reunion t-shirt, it's peeling ink.

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Through every look under the hood, just to check if that oil looking right, or if the ACA ain't leaking. Through every press of a whispered just right. Into the crown of another black woman in her salon chair. Through every Easter pageant, the baby's just learning,

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that to speak is to rise again, held by people who believe you can fly.

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Now that enough time has passed, take the dough from that proofing dark and place her in

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the oven to grow. This is the ritual. We gather, we shape, we wait, we warm until

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potential is transformed into the promise our ancestors made, and we will keep forever.

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Thank you. And if you want to hear more Juneteenth poetry and culture, we'll be at Heart

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Grace Community Center on Friday at 4 p.m. I'd love to see all there. Thank you.

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Thank you for that. For that poem, Dr. Bena, I believe the title was Freedom Rising.

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Excellent. Wonderful for the occasion.

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evening, everyone. Good evening. I have several proclamations, but the first thing that I want to start with is a statement of support for the Orange County Crisis Division Facility.

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Orange County Board of County Commissioners will be taking up this matter this evening and I, along with Mayor Anderson from Chapel Hill, Mayor Mark Bell from the town of Hillsborough and of course,

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My colleagues are signing on to kind of help this along.

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The commissioners are the decision makers,

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but we certainly realize the benefit of having a crisis diversion facility in Orange County.

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So on behalf of Chapel Hill, Carber and Hillsboro,

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we strongly support the funding and development of the proposed crisis diversion facility in Hillsboro

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and come in Orange County for advancing this critical investment in our communities behavioral health infrastructure.

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For many years, local governments, healthcare providers, first responders, behavioral health professionals,

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and community stakeholders have identified a significant gap in Orange County's crisis response system.

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The lack of a dedicated facility where individuals experiencing complex mental health

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of substance use crises can receive timely, compassionate, and appropriate care.

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Through the county's sequential intercept mapping process and subsequent behavioral health

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task force recommendations, the need for a crisis diversion facility emerged as a top

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community priority.

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We have seen examples of similar diversion facilities, firsthand, and can attest to not only

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need, but the significant benefit that will come to Orange County as a whole with this type

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This project aligns with Orange County's longstanding commitment to improving access to mental

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healthcare, reducing unnecessary involvement in the criminal justice system and advancing

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equitable health outcomes.

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It represents a proactive investment in community well-being, public safety, and dignity for residents of all ages.

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The facilities proposed location near existing healthcare resources in Hillsboro

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will further enhance coordination of care and access to services.

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We believe the crisis diversion facility will become an essential community resource

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that benefits residents throughout Orange County.

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We encourage continued collaboration among local governments, healthcare providers, community

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organizations and residents as this important project moves forward.

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Local governments are experiencing unprecedented budget challenges in FY27 and we appreciate

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Orange County's financial situation and challenges to fund all identified needs in the county.

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Our hope is that a version of facility will receive funding in the new budget.

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To enable it to proceed and provide essential services in the near future.

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And in talking with a couple of the commissioners, idea here concerns about how they would cover the operating cost.

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You know, for this facility, and I understand that.

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But you know, I just kind of suggest that, you know, just expand the conversation, you know, and I believe that it can be figured out about how to do it.

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Orange County, like a lot of other governmental entities

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and I understand them being skaters, but I do trust them

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to make the best decision about this crisis diversion facility.

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And so with that being said, I will ask for a motion from my colleagues

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to join me in signing on to the Statement of Support for the Orange County Crisis

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Diversion Facility.

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It's been moved and properly seconded that we all sign on to the Statement of Support.

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All in favor, please say aye, aye, any opposed?

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Motion carries a 50.

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Thank you, colleagues.

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We're going to go back just a little bit.

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I see a community home trust in the house and I know that they were not able to be here

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on June 2nd but I do want to make sure I invite it them back and I'm going to present

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the community home trust day, proclamation and receiving is breada, is that breada strad?

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Everybody, everybody coming up, see the E.D. and Sanchez and bread and no, okay, okay, all right.

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And whereas community home trust is celebrating 35 years and has provided permanently affordable housing opportunities for over three decades.

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and whereas community home trust ensures long-term housing affordability through its

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community land trust model and whereas access to safe and affordable housing

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strengthens communities and promotes economic stability. Now therefore I

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Barbara Infosci mayor of the town of Carber and North Carolina do here by

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for claim June 1st, about all month, June 1st, 2026 to be community home trust day and this was

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for claim the second day of June 2026. I am excited and happy to present it to the Executive

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Director, Kimberly Sanchez, and welcome whoever's going to talk. Let's say a few words.

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Thank you, it's so nice to see all of you. I appreciate the time. I just want to take

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a few minutes, not only are we celebrating 35 years, but this year we will also hit 300 homes.

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300, permanently affordable, home ownership opportunities.

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Yes, and also want to thank you all very, very much for your continued support of community

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grateful because you trust us to take these homes into our inventory and to keep them maintained

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literally forever, um, literally forever. Under our 99 year grandlies that renews and renews and

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renews and renews. Um, and also want to really thank you for your advocacy with developers.

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I hope that you know, and if you don't, that in the fall, we will receive four new homes in

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Barbara at Jade Creek through the voluntary inclusionary housing, which we don't say, so we say thank you very much for asking developers to do the right thing here so that we can bring them into our inventory really really appreciate it.

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So we want to take a photo, everybody's

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nearby, you too, I can't sleep with your hat.

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Somebody out there, our boat rinks, it's 10 o'clock.

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I'm going to move to Juneteenth, a proclamation for

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Juneteenth, Michelle Bloom, from Recreation Parks and Cultural Resources, will accept and say a few words, maybe a little bit of promotion.

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A proclamation in honor of Juneteenth, whereas Juneteenth is the oldest national commemoration of the emancipation of enslaved African Americans in the United States.

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And whereas Juneteenth takes on more significance this year because it marks the 100th and 60th anniversary of the holiday and continues to be a day of reflection on the ongoing fight for equality and justice.

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And whereas Juneteenth is a celebration of black history, culture and resilience and provides a platform for a community engagement and education.

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And whereas on June 19th, 1865, Union Army General Gordon Granger landed at Galveston Island

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Texas, with approximately 2,000 troops.

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The Civil War had ended the previous month, and these Union forces were tasked with taking

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control of Texas and enforcing the emancipation proclamation.

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order number three which stated, the people of Texas are informed

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that in accordance with the proclamation from the executive of the United States all slaves

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are free.

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This involves an absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former

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masters and slaves and the connection here to for existing between them becomes that between

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employer and higher labor.

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September 22, 1862, but the slaves in Texas were unaware of it until being told by General

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Granger, reaction to the news range from jubilation to shock, and the free slaves took to

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the streets to celebrate. Whereas, in the years that followed, June 19th was commemorated by

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the holiday of June 10th, combining the words June and 19th. And whereas, on January 4th,

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January 1, I'm sorry, 1980, Texas became the first state to recognize Juneteenth as a state holiday.

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And on August 23rd, 2007, North Carolina approved Session Law in 2007, dashed for 50, and Act,

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recognizing Juneteenth National Freedom Day in North Carolina.

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Okay. Whereas, although Juneteenth is not a North Carolina state holiday on July 14, 2020,

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The Carbera Town Council, adopted a resolution designating Juneteenth as an official paid holiday for town employees and

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urge state and federal legislators, legislators to sponsor legislation making, Juneteenth, an official state and federal holiday.

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And whereas on June 17, 2021, the United States Congress approved the Juneteenth National Independence Day Act and

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President Joe Biden signed the bill the following day, making Juneteenth National Independence Day, a federal holiday.

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Yes, and whereas the annual Chapel Hill Carbara Juneteenth celebration will be held on Friday,

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June 19 from 4 to 8 p.m. at Hargrave's Community Center and will include fellowship, music, speakers, vendors, and amazing food.

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And now, therefore, I, Barbara M. Fuji, mayor of the town of Carbero, North Carolina,

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do hereby proclaim Friday June 19, 2026, to be a date for the celebration of the

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Juneteenth National Independent State in Carbero, I encourage all residents to carry the spirit

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of Juneteenth with them all year long and learn more about the history of Juneteenth.

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this, the 16th day of June 2026 and Michelle is here and Michelle the microphone as

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as well as let me hear it move.

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She just said half of my speech so thank you in the

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Even Mayor council members, town manager, staff and community members. On behalf of everyone who has worked to preserve, celebrate and share the history and significance of June 10th, I'm honored to accept this proclamation.

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As Mayor Fushi mentioned, it's been 160 years that those union troops did arrive in Galveston, Texas, to announce the freedom of slaves.

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proclamation was given.

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So this is two years after the fact.

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Tupes did arrive in Chapel Hill, Carboro,

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in April of 1865 at St. Paul AME church

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to announce the enslaved African-Americans were free.

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So that's a little history for you

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on Chapel Hill, Carboro area.

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which this is the actual Juneteenth flag,

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which may have seen coming into town hall.

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The flag, which represents our United States flag,

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colors also allows African-Americans to know

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that they are Americans, that they are free.

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The star in the middle, which represents Texas,

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the Long Star State, in which, again,

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Galveston, Texas, is where the Union troops

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marched into an ounce.

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This represents freedom throughout the nation,

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the curved line represents a horizon, so a new horizon for our future, and also a signifies

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hope and opportunity as well. So, again, as we gather to recognize Juneteenth this Friday,

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Juneteenth at Hard Graves 4pm to 8pm, I just want everybody to acknowledge its sacrifices,

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the contributions of those who came before us and recommit ourselves to build in communities

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where opportunity, justice and belonging are available to all, and I do feel

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carburel embodies that. So I thank you all.

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well as the history. Thank you so much Michelle.

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Good. I'm going to move to disability pride month and accepting will be

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Chris DeCarroway, excited to have her here and also to hear from her. Disability Pride Month,

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whereas disability Pride Month is celebrated nationally and internationally each July

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to commemorate the signing of the Americans with Disabilities Act on July 26, 1990, a landmark

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civil rights law, prohibiting discrimination against people with disabilities, and whereas approximately 15% of the world's population are disabled, representing a rich spectrum of identities across age, race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, religion, and socioeconomic background.

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And whereas Carber is home to a vibrant and diverse disabled community, whose presence

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leadership, creativity and advocacy deeply enrich our town, and whereas disability

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pride month is an opportunity to honor the history, culture, and contributions of disabled

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people while affirming disability as a natural and valuable part of human diversity.

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by recognizing that disability is not a deficit, but a vital part of who people are and how they move through the world.

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And whereas Carbera is committed to being a town where all people, including those with disabilities, can live with dignity, safety, access, joy, and pride.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, Barbara Infosci, may of the town of Carbero, do here

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by proclaim July 2026 is disability pride month in Carbero, North Carolina and call upon

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all residents to join in recognizing and celebrating the disabled members of our community

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with visibility, respect, and solidarity. This is the 16th day of June 2026, Christa.

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you, Mayor Fushi, Town Council, and neighbors.

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Thank you for this proclamation and for recognizing disability

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Pride Month.

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As an autistic woman, a parent, an advocate, an educator,

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an author, and a member of this carbureau community.

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I am honored to accept it on behalf of this disability community.

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When many neighbors hear the word disability, they think of limitations.

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I think of people. I think of my neighbors. I think of families.

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I think of children and adults who want the same thing everybody wants to be seen, to belong, to contribute, to be loved, and to have the opportunity to thrive. Disability is not a dirty word. Fred Rogers once said, anything that's human is mentionedable, and anything that is mentionedable can be manageable. Disability is mentionedable and it's human.

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One in four Americans lives with a disability, and if we are fortunate enough to live long

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lives, most of us will join the community ourselves at some point.

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Disability is not about them, it's about all of us or your future.

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This is why inclusion cannot be something we add later.

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It cannot be an afterthought, a separate space, an adapted program, a separate program,

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at the table, at the meeting, in the planning, in leadership, in decision-making, not as a box to check not a special project charity or photo opportunity, as neighbors.

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When we make space for disability, we create a better world for everybody.

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The same is true when we embrace the full diversity of our community, the richness of different

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races, cultures, religions, languages, identities, socioeconomic backgrounds, abilities, and life

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experiences. A truly inclusive community recognizes that every person has inherent in something

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valuable to contribute. I hope we continue moving toward a future built on universal design

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and human-centered thinking, not only in our buildings, sidewalks, websites, and public spaces,

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but in the way we see each other and in our thinking. The future where accessibility is expected,

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not requested. A future where we presume competence, even in those that are non-speaking,

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a future where disabled people are invited into the conversation before decisions are made not after.

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Nothing about us without us is more than a slogan, it's an invitation, an invitation to get to know your disabled neighbors, to listen to lived experience, to work alongside us, to learn from us, to create communities where everyone belongs.

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Fred Rogers, touch generations of us, what it meant to be a neighbor.

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Being a neighbor is more than kindness, it is making room for one another, it is seeing

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one another, it is recognizing that every person has dignity and worth, to be seen as

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to be valued, to belong as to be known.

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So my challenge to all of us during disability pride month and the rest of the year is simple,

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be our neighbor.

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So, listen to our disabled voices, presume competence, make room at the table before the meeting begins.

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Help create communities where no one is in afterthought, because when disabled people belong everyone benefits.

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And when we build communities where everyone belongs, we create a future that is more compassionate, more accessible, more just, and more human for all of us.

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Thank you for recognizing disability pride month and for helping build a community where every person is seen,

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volume, welcome and loved exactly as they are. Every action has a ripple effect,

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while yours, harm, or heal. Thank you.

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Oh, hold on, Bryson. Yeah. Come on, babe. Come on, baby.

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Here's your. We'll have you up here, Reed. Hey, you go.

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And also congratulations to your high school graduates. Yeah, it wasn't that amazing.

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Chris, I had to have school to high school graduates in commencement on Saturday and so

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I know that was a very proud moment for her and her family.

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A town of Carbero, a proclamation honoring, recreation and parks month, accepting will be

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J.G. Ferguson, recreation and parks director, and here he is.

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is always just so sharp. Okay, okay. But what? You know, I like the casual sad. You're doing a little bit more than looking good.

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Proclamation honoring recreation and parks month.

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I'll just come on out. No, no, no. Take your time.

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That's fine.

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You as well. All right, thanks.

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Whereas the U.S. House of Representatives has designated July as Parks and Recreation Month and the National Park and Recreation Association has designated this year's theme.

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As the power of parks and recreation. And whereas this year's theme, the power of parks and recreation celebrates the many ways, parks and recreation reveal the power of what connects us.

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The power of connection, parks and recreation is where relationships grow, cultures meet and communities bind.

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The power of play, from playgrounds to programs to use sports, play fuels creativity, joy and life-long learning.

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The power of community, public spaces, offer room for everyone to gather, celebrate, and heal.

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The power of nature, nature restores and inspires us and parks ensure everyone can access the benefits.

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The power of belonging, welcoming parks and programs make every person feel valued.

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The power of well-being, parts and recreation advances health, resilience, and shared community benefits.

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Whereas the town of Carbero strives to maintain safe and healthy park amenities for all ages,

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and the town strives to offer a comprehensive recreation program, including youth and adult classes, youth and adult athletic leagues, camps, workshops, clinics,

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and community events such as Carberl Earth Day, the Elizabeth cotton freight train blues concert series,

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the Chapel Hill Carberl Jun 10 celebration the Carberl Music Festival and many more.

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Whereas town of Carberl parks and natural recreation areas improve water quality

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improve the quality of the air we breathe, produce habitat for wildlife, add to the ecological beauty of the community

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and provide spaces for residents to connect with nature and recreate outdoors.

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And whereas the town's recreation parks and cultural resources department is committed

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to advancing town pillars of racial equity and sustainability in all programs facilities

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and services.

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And whereas the dedicated employees of the recreation parks and cultural resources department

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have an average of over 20 years of service in the field of parks and recreation.

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Now, therefore, I, Barba, am Fouchi, mayor of the town of Carbero, North Carolina,

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do hereby proclaim July 2026 to be recreation and parks month and Carbero.

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I encourage all residents to enjoy out parks and natural areas to take advantage of classes, camps, programs,

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and events provided by the recreation parks and cultural resources department and to share appreciation

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and thanks with the departments many dedicated employees and volunteers this is the 16th day of June

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2026 and JG would you like to say a couple of words all right thank you thank you mayor and council members

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first would like to thank all of you for your continued support of our department and all things that our staff

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us. In honor of the theme this year of power, our staff puts a lot of power and energy and does

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a fantastic job to always provide for our community of carburo. And so I really want to give

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them all the things, is without them none of this is really possible what we do and what you

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do for us and the support from our managers office as well. So we want to thank all of you for

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all that you continue to do for us and we appreciate it. As the mayor said, we do a lot of events

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and programming. I think carburo is known for events, bringing people together and it's amazing work

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that we do and continue to do and enjoy doing.

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As Michelle's got to come up,

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as we talked about earlier on Friday, the Juneteenth,

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and since another way of bringing our community together

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and embracing one another, also on a side of our facilities,

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we do a staffs when a great job of enhancing

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all of our facilities, seeing new signage,

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going up out of our park systems and improving playgrounds

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and making a place to safe play for all of our residents

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to come out and enjoy all of our park facilities.

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And finally, I'd like to thank other staff departments

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that we partner with, help us with public works and public safety and communication engagement.

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There's our main users that we work well together to bring all these events to you.

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So, again, it's a big team effort and proud of Carber and our staff always working together

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to provide for our community.

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Thank you.

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Well, so last proclamation, I need a drink a little, thank you.

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We are at the town managers update, time manager, Tony, do you have updates?

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Good evening Mayor and Council.

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No, I'm excited.

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This is our last meeting until the fall.

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And I really just want to take a moment to express my gratitude

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to piggyback off of what JG just stayed at.

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We just have an omit.

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Amazing staff, great team, they do work very well together. It looks like everybody except for

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home trust is staff. So one of all the staff just stand and I just want to say thank you. Yes, y'all

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stand. Yes, thank you.

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They can just set great work and we're not always perfect but they always draw for excellence and they continue to raise the bar even when the bar is high and so I just want to say thank you all for your work

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Thank you so much to tell manager Tony

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We're down to the public comment period. I don't believe I've received any names for public comment

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Is there anyone in the audience that would like to give public comment that did not sign up about anything?

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All right, we're going to move on to a hefty consent agenda.

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A whole 16 items of consent agenda, council members.

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I know that you've had the opportunity to look over these and probably put any questions

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forward to the town manager if there were any, but I will certainly entertain a motion to

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pass these 16 items in a single swoop if there is nothing else further.

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I'm moving to consent agenda.

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Thank you.

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Seconded.

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All right, it's been moved and properly seconded

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that we pass the consent agenda, all in favor, please say aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries 50.

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The consent agenda is passed.

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Thank you.

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And a town manager Tony, we're down to the first item of the general agenda.

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There are two items on the general agenda.

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They are both information items only and do not require action.

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And the first one is the 26 hurricane season outlook and preparedness.

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Riley Stahl, as you knew as my management analyst, has transitioned to a new role to support

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Chief Potter, who also serves as the emergency manager, and Riley is now the emergency planner

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position.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You're going to do the presentation.

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Yes, welcome. Yes, thank you Madam Mayor and Town Council. It's my pleasure to present to you for the first time in my new role on this year's hurricane outlook and some preparedness updates on the staff side and some recommendations for our residents.

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So, as I just mentioned, today we're going to be talking about the outlook for 2026,

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what Noah has put out to expect for this hurricane season, our annual preparedness updates.

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Some lessons learned for tropical storm shantel and how we're going to use those lessons to be more prepared in this upcoming hurricane season,

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and then lastly some readiness improvements and recommendations for our residents.

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The Outlook for 2026, as you all may know, Hurricane season officially started on June 1st

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and will run through November 20th.

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Noah has predicted that this year we will have a less active season, so that means that

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we have a 55% chance of below average activity.

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So that is a good thing.

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That's good news, but what that means is that we can still expect one to three major hurricanes.

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There's no telling exactly when those will be and where the effects will be felt but we just

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know that those are on the horizon and as we learn last year from Shantal it really only takes

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one major storm to disrupt our activities.

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So that's what's on the horizon right now.

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There is the first tropical system of the 26 hurricane season is forming.

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We don't expect that it will have any impact on our area at this time.

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So, looking back at Tropical Storm Shontal, one thing that I just want to call out is that

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Shontal was the largest emergency management and recovery operation in recent town history,

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as you all know, it had major impacts on our facilities, on our equipment, and on staff time.

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So, we're still working on recovery from that.

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We experienced a townwide EOC activation, significant flooding and infrastructure impacts,

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extensive debris removal operations, damage to town facilities, fleet and equipment, which

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you all know we're still dealing with now, FEMA, public assistance, and we have those

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recovery efforts still ongoing working with FEMA, and then a regional coordination across

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multiple agencies that we've partnered with during that disaster.

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So, some key lessons learned

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what worked in our area is our regional coordinations when we called upon our partners,

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They were there to help us.

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Our EOC operations were working exactly how they're designed to our public works response and our public information sharing.

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So that was something that we felt worked well in the incident of Shantal as well as in the aftermath, and then some things that we're going to continue to improve on our information management.

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recovery documentation to make that recovery process easier, flood monitoring beforehand

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that we can prepare the community as much as possible, planning and trading on our public

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works, public safety side and for staff and residents, and then EOC staff in capacity, which

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will hear more about in just a second.

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And the second is here. So EOP update, so the county has

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undergone a comprehensive EOP update. So one of the some of the things they were focusing on in

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that is a shared operational framework, clear coordination of responsibilities within the county and their EOC and how that affects the municipalities within Orange County and then improved interoperability so that we all can we all know our roles and we can function better together.

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And then on the carbureau, we also underwent an EOP rewrite that has just recently been completed.

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We have updated our activation levels for different emergencies, defined departmental responsibilities, improved the documentation process,

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and completed integration with the county plans.

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So now we're all operating at the same speed.

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In the departmental responsibilities, we also have outlines the responsibility of our policy group,

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which includes you all in your roles during an emergency

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and we'll bring forth some training on that,

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hopefully this fall.

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This is a list of some things we've done since Shantal

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to make ourselves better prepared for the next emergency.

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One is hiring my position as an emergency management planner.

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preparedness before the next disaster happens.

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which I'll also go into, I think, on the next slide,

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enhanced EOC planning capabilities so as part of our EOP was adding more departments, more positions in

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REOC so that we are able to build out that planning capacity. FEMA recovery process improvements,

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we adopted our hazard mitigation plan. We recently approved our stream gauges,

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you all approved three stream gauges in this year's budget so we're going to be working on that

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and how those can help us monitor potential flood conditions, improved regional coordination

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with our partners, and completed additional training and exercises.

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So back to that evacuation messaging one project that I've been working on since starting

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my role is something called Ready Set Go.

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This is something that's used in jurisdictions all across the country and it is an evacuation

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protocol.

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So, you can see I haven't listed here ready is a message that will go out in our case.

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What we've decided is that this is something that will go out as a news press release on social media.

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And this is basically telling residents that we have severe storm on the way.

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Be prepared, have your go bags ready, know where you're going to go in the event of an evacuation.

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set it will be sent out as a OCO alert, which I'll have some more information on in a coming slide.

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So residents, we encourage all residents to sign up for OCO alerts so that they can be the first being formed in the event of an emergency.

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So set means that the storm is coming. You need to make your final preparations and be ready to evacuate and then go means go now.

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you, your property are in danger of immediate flooding, so it's time to seek shelter.

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We are adopting this model with, in partnership with Orange County, Chapel Hill and Hills

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Bro, and we're planning on offering this information in our top five community languages.

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This is the graphic, this will be the first informational graphic that Orange County and

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Carbrow will be pushing out later this week.

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So, this is a part of a larger information campaign on hurricane season and ready set go so that whenever people see these notifications pop up on their phone, they know what they mean, and they know what they need to do to prepare at each step.

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What to expect this hurricane season, you can expect enhanced monitoring on the part of town and emergency management staff to send out alerts ahead of severe storms.

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You'll see activation as needed with that Bulltalk capacity that I mentioned earlier.

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Regular council briefings from emergency management staff to you all that you're staying up to date.

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Public information updates, share.

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Through our communications teams on social media and our website, regional coordination among our county partners and beyond, and then damage assessment and recovery planning.

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Her kinesies and preparedness, so we're hoping to have more events this summer that will go into how residents can practically prepare for hurricanes, but some things I wanted to mention is preparing a go bag.

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So, we are hoping to have an actual workshop on this that I'll be planning this summer for residents that don't have a go bag.

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So, we're going to encourage all residents to prepare a go bag for themselves and their family members,

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some of which include a gallon of water per resident per day.

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So, we asked residents to prepare to sing themselves for the first 72 hours after a major incident.

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So, that would mean three gallons of water per person in a household.

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And we asked residents to consider other things like their vital prescription medication, dog food, baby formula, diapers, a change of clothes, power banks, all those necessities that you would need to take care of yourself for those first 72 hours.

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Another big push, as I mentioned, we want to suggest all residents to sign up for OC alerts.

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That is really our first point of messaging whenever an incident does occur, whether it be flooding or any other sort of large-scale incident road closures.

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can even be put on there if it's major enough.

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So that is a major suggestion.

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I have the QR code over there to the right

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that residents can scan and sign up for OC alerts.

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Following town of Carbro and Orange County on social media,

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as I mentioned the first step of ready set go,

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we'll be shared via social media.

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And we ask that those residents that do follow our social media,

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you share it with your neighbor, share it with your colleagues,

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share it to your social media stories.

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So that as many people can be notified as possible.

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We ask residents also to stay up to date on a weather forecast that they can be prepared for

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employment weather and then also ready orange.org will be a resource for all preparedness

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information from Orange County during the event of emergency.

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In closing, even though we expect a below average hurricane season this year preparedness

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is a year-round effort and we always want to be prepared for that one next large storm.

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We want to take the lessons that we learned from Shantal and continue to drive meaningful impacts.

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We want you all to know that our county and town emergency operations plans have been updated and improved,

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and that we will continue to share those updates with you so that you all understand your role better as our policy group.

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We are making investments in preparedness and mitigation efforts, and we want you all to know that

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Carborough is in a better position than last year for our next major event.

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And that's it.

423
00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:58,510
I'm happy to answer any questions alongside Chief Potter.

424
00:42:59,530 --> 00:43:00,190
Come out.

425
00:43:00,610 --> 00:43:01,450
That's very good.

426
00:43:01,650 --> 00:43:02,130
Very good.

427
00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:07,110
Please entice and we appreciate the information of that ready set go.

428
00:43:08,290 --> 00:43:11,590
And all the other information that you provide it, which is really useful.

429
00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:13,590
Council members are there questions.

430
00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:18,590
or comments for Riley or Chief Potter.

431
00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:23,070
May I pretend to sound a little scary?

432
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:23,970
Thank you.

433
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:25,670
Yeah, thank you, Madam Mayor.

434
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:27,630
I was looking through the QR gun.

435
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:30,130
I remember that it did something like this last time.

436
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:35,770
And I noticed it to, it may be able to the wrong thing,

437
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:37,590
but you have to create an account.

438
00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:39,490
I imagine you have to create a full account

439
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:41,570
in order to forget the notifications.

440
00:43:44,090 --> 00:43:50,230
Yeah, that's what I'm looking at, and I see that there is the language drop down, so I really

441
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:58,670
appreciate that fact. I wonder is there a way we could put any kind of disclosure at the top

442
00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:03,810
or anything kind of letting folks know that their information will not be shared outside of town,

443
00:44:05,350 --> 00:44:10,310
regulations, because I'm thinking of some of the folks that might not be willing to put all of

444
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:15,650
information. We'll probably even want some most impacted by some of these alerts.

445
00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:22,120
Most of the alerts is managed by the White Orange County, but I can definitely pass along

446
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,780
that's a decision to them. That'd be really great. Thank you so much. As I

447
00:44:25,780 --> 00:44:28,960
from that, I really like the fact that there's a drop down menu language. So

448
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:35,840
just to appreciate that. Thank you. It looks like there are another questions or

449
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,740
comments. I had one before you get your folder, Chief Potter.

450
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,440
You're like a loud.

451
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:44,000
I have one.

452
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:53,440
With the federal funding cuts, I was wondering, and I'm concerned, and I believe I read

453
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,980
something somewhere that there may have been some cuts as it relates to no...

454
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:29,980
So, there have been cuts, obviously, broadly across the federal government. We saw the very close partnership with the National Weather Service office out of Raleigh. They provide, during disasters, they provide updates, they also provide a lot of information.

455
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:35,580
remote support during events, so for like the Juneteenth event for the Pride event, it's

456
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:39,980
in a couple of weeks for July 4 event, they provide a meteorological support for those

457
00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:40,440
events as well.

458
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,740
So we've seen no meaningful change in our interactions with the weather service.

459
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,260
They're actually improving, I think, really kind of adding some staff members and adding

460
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:50,820
some capabilities.

461
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:54,420
So it's a really, it's a great partnership, and I hope that that continues.

462
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:54,980
Okay.

463
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:55,540
All right.

464
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,060
Thank you.

465
00:45:56,060 --> 00:45:56,500
Good to hear.

466
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:01,440
there's no impact. And that was it. We received the information. And thank you so much.

467
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,180
Great presentation. I do want to say too that the ready set go. That has been all

468
00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:10,680
Riley. So she has really put up. Ready set go Riley. That has been something that she's taken.

469
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,820
She took on a first project and has really started that. Started that movement across the county.

470
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:21,040
So very good. I love the graphic. Very good. Thank you. Thank you.

471
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,700
Next item, tell me an answer.

472
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:37,880
Okay. Next item is the item we all been waiting for. This is an update and continue discussion on the unified development ordinance rewrite with our project consulted from code right.

473
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:43,640
It looks like John Fusa is going to see this up followed by Chad.

474
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,100
Welcome, Mr. Fusa and also Chad. How are you doing?

475
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:54,600
Very good. Thank you, Mayor and Town Council. I'm very pleased this evening. For the record,

476
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:01,580
John Fooce, Director of Planning, Zoning, and Inspections, very pleased this evening to

477
00:47:01,580 --> 00:47:11,820
welcome our Code Expert Consultant Chad Meadows of Code Right back for an update for you on

478
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:17,760
the unified development ordinance project at the Code Diagnosis phase stance.

479
00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:25,680
This is a major milestone, and since I started with the town in December, I think I've

480
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:32,040
spent every day, a week and months, both thinking about and working on the UDO and the Code

481
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:38,080
Diagnosis with Chad and his team, our terrific planning team, who work on the project

482
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,960
to our here tonight and our stakeholders.

483
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:44,840
So much work has gone on behind the scenes.

484
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,080
We're now pleased to be in front of the curtain.

485
00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:52,300
So to speak, to update you this evening.

486
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,740
And kind of our progress recently

487
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:57,860
has built to this update and engagement with you.

488
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,240
We've recently been updating and engaging

489
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,740
with town boards and commissions.

490
00:48:04,660 --> 00:48:07,920
Those events happened on May 21st

491
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:14,800
and June 4th we've also updated and engaged with or development community stakeholders that

492
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:20,220
happened on June 3rd and that kind of updating engagement has all kind of been building to

493
00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:30,080
this evening with Chad's update and discussion with you. Chad tonight we've planned for about

494
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:37,880
a 30 minute block but of course variable the first part will be a brief presentation of

495
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,500
about 10 minutes or so, and then questions, comments, discussion with you and Shad.

496
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:52,080
So, I think, and that's about it, and so now, without any further ado, I'll turn it over

497
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,620
to Shad.

498
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,600
I want to, Lamar, did you put on the presentation?

499
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,020
Okay, yeah, thank you.

500
00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:01,280
I just want to confirm that that's the one that we loaded.

501
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,580
That was open and loaded.

502
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:06,100
Okay.

503
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:07,900
We did.

504
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:08,580
So, thank you.

505
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,420
I just want to confirm that.

506
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:10,100
Thank you, Mayor.

507
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:10,900
Council.

508
00:49:13,630 --> 00:49:14,850
Good evening, Mayor.

509
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:15,270
Council.

510
00:49:15,790 --> 00:49:17,470
It is a pleasure to be back.

511
00:49:17,970 --> 00:49:20,290
Thank you so much for the chance to be before you again.

512
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:22,370
I really, really do appreciate your time.

513
00:49:22,930 --> 00:49:23,810
I appreciate the investment.

514
00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:26,330
I appreciate the investment that you guys have made.

515
00:49:26,330 --> 00:49:27,830
The administration has made.

516
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:30,270
The people who live here have made in this project.

517
00:49:30,850 --> 00:49:32,310
It's been a good project so far.

518
00:49:32,350 --> 00:49:33,650
Look forward to continuing.

519
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:36,930
I'm here tonight to talk for 10 minutes.

520
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:38,050
And then answer your questions.

521
00:49:38,510 --> 00:49:41,150
If I get longer than 10 minutes though, a shoe at me or something.

522
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:47,270
will press on. These are the things we're going to cover. I'm really going to thank you, sir.

523
00:49:47,310 --> 00:49:53,390
I'm going to keep this at the high level tonight in anticipation of y'all's question. We'll also

524
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:59,190
talk a little bit about the schedule. Yeah, we've been delayed. Yes.

525
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,020
A lot of reason for that is that we've been waiting for a repeal of Senate Bill 202457, the Down Zoning Bill.

526
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,080
I will just digress for a quick moment and tell you a story.

527
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:21,640
I am working for Mills River. Mills River, North Carolina, is the one community that received an exemption from 202457.

528
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:29,200
And back on June 4th, in June of 2025,

529
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:37,860
the Milserver was exempted from the Downs Owning Bill to enable the jurisdiction to prepare its unified development ordinance.

530
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,640
This year, seven days before the UDO was to be voted on,

531
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:50,200
Senate Bill 1074 was amended to repeal the exemption for Milsriver.

532
00:50:51,580 --> 00:50:52,180
So,

533
00:50:55,630 --> 00:51:10,230
a bit of a scramble, Mills River did adopt their UDO on 611, 2026, if the bill passes, Mills River's UDO will be unilaterally rescinded by the general assembly.

534
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:21,390
Now, the Mills River UDO was structured to comply with Amazoning, but because they were exempted, there were some adjustments to density, some adjustments to the range of allowable uses.

535
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:24,850
for a variety of problems I don't need to go into right now.

536
00:51:25,770 --> 00:51:29,150
But what this experience over the last month has taught us,

537
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:30,910
basically three things, okay?

538
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:34,870
One, there's not going to be any repeal of the

539
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:36,430
downsizing legislation, okay?

540
00:51:37,150 --> 00:51:39,750
There's not going to be any exemptions.

541
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:44,790
I know of many, many local governments who have requested exemptions,

542
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:46,370
this legislative session.

543
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:47,990
Those are not going to be entertained.

544
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:56,350
And finally, and perhaps most concernally, I believe that we're now entering the era of what

545
00:51:56,350 --> 00:52:03,670
I'll call unilateral resension, where the general assembly may be stepping in, and

546
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:06,810
voiding local government regulations of its phone volition.

547
00:52:07,710 --> 00:52:17,970
So that's troubling for us and shines a bright light on all local governments here in the

548
00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:21,670
things are not like they used to be.

549
00:52:22,050 --> 00:52:24,410
And that's why we've been going slower.

550
00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:29,510
There are plenty of local governments around you who had

551
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:33,230
UDOs that were drafted well in advance of ours who still

552
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:35,630
have not adopted their development regulations.

553
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:39,050
And so this is a problem that everyone is experiencing.

554
00:52:39,370 --> 00:52:41,150
Nonetheless, we're moving forward.

555
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:42,190
Let's talk about our schedule.

556
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:47,950
From here, the diagnosis, we move on to the end.

557
00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:52,610
annotated outline. It's the dress rehearsal for the UDO. There'll be a draft, a staff review,

558
00:52:52,850 --> 00:52:57,870
a community review, a council review, and then this will become the basis for the initial

559
00:52:57,870 --> 00:53:03,190
draft of the UDO. Now, we've started the annotated outline and we expect to wrap that project

560
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:04,750
up in September.

561
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:12,940
How are we going to get to having a draft version of the UDO done by June of

562
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:16,280
We understand that this is a very important date for Carbura.

563
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,960
We are working towards this date.

564
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,260
Some of the things that we're anticipating are one, a focused annotated outline, done

565
00:53:25,260 --> 00:53:27,400
by September of this year.

566
00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:31,900
We'll start drafting before the annotated outline is done.

567
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:39,100
We anticipate two modules for an initial draft instead of three in pursuit of trying to get

568
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,040
the document through the process.

569
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:48,600
We anticipate managed engagement, engagement is effective, but also that doesn't slow the process down.

570
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,020
We also expect a speedy revised draft.

571
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:55,080
Remember, you get two bytes at the Apple as we're drafting this ordinance.

572
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,340
So we want to be able to recognize that.

573
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,580
Now, there's some other things that we can have, we've thought about,

574
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:11,020
and that we can share with you if you're interested about how we might

575
00:54:11,020 --> 00:54:14,580
working towards, assuming the general assembly

576
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:16,160
doesn't throw us any curve balls,

577
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,280
we think that we can make that date.

578
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:23,300
That said, we are willing partners here.

579
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:25,780
We understand the tradition of engagement

580
00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:29,600
and the tradition of careful, thoughtful progress.

581
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:31,780
And we share that stance.

582
00:54:32,380 --> 00:54:35,580
So for us, making sure that y'all's co-operates

583
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:39,180
is legal, effective, and doesn't land us

584
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:45,020
where Mills River might be in a week, which is no ordinance at all, we need to be very careful.

585
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:47,780
And so we commit to you to do that.

586
00:54:49,850 --> 00:54:51,670
The code diagnosis is why we're here tonight.

587
00:54:51,790 --> 00:54:53,750
This is the road map for the new UDO.

588
00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:57,370
It's a framework for the discussion about potential changes to the current UDO.

589
00:54:57,370 --> 00:54:59,250
It's a shopping list, in effect.

590
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,560
It looks at what the policy guidance tells us from Barbara Connects from the downtown area plan.

591
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:13,000
Looks at that in terms of what your current regulations call for how they operate and tries to highlight the gaps.

592
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:21,380
This is what our regulations do. Our policy goals say we'd like to go in this direction. What do we need to do to our regulations in order to achieve our policy goals?

593
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,580
So the code diagnosis is our recommendations for change.

594
00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:28,400
Now, as John mentioned, we've discussed this document with your boards and commissions.

595
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,280
We've discussed it with the development community, and we anticipate community engagement

596
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,660
opportunities next month.

597
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,760
We've heard a lot about open space.

598
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,280
We've heard a lot about environmental protection.

599
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,560
We've heard a lot about storm water.

600
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,620
We've heard a lot of questions about planning boards role in a revised code situation.

601
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,520
We've also heard some concern from the development community that a lot of the recommendations

602
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,460
that we've proposed won't move the needle in a significant fashion.

603
00:55:54,460 --> 00:55:58,000
And so this is some of the input that we've received thus far.

604
00:55:58,260 --> 00:56:01,600
We have made a commitment to everybody who participates with us to append

605
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,100
the code diagnosis to include their written comments so that everybody's aware

606
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:09,700
of all of the input that we've received will extend that invitation to

607
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:14,060
counsel tonight and ask that if you guys have comments above and beyond what we

608
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:17,840
discussed today that you share those with us and that we append this code

609
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,740
diagnosis document with that information.

610
00:56:19,740 --> 00:56:24,860
whatever we hear, we will take to heart and utilize to prepare the

611
00:56:24,860 --> 00:56:26,280
annotated outline, okay?

612
00:56:28,770 --> 00:56:32,250
Project Objectives, this is sort of short-hand for the

613
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,470
project goals and the anticipated changes we would see from the document

614
00:56:35,470 --> 00:56:40,210
first and foremost increase predictability. When I read the book, I understand what

615
00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:45,130
it says and the outcome is what I thought it would be. More housing choice,

616
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:51,450
better climate resiliency and continuing the spirit of public engagement here in

617
00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:57,930
One of the things that's come up for us through this part of the process is our need to balance priorities.

618
00:56:58,330 --> 00:57:05,670
For example, we have a lot of comprehensive plan policies that call for stronger standards, like more environmental protection, right?

619
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:15,750
But there's also a desire to manage costs, right? How do we have stronger standards and not create higher development costs?

620
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:22,050
How do we stream on the development process, but continue to recognize the importance of public participation?

621
00:57:22,850 --> 00:57:27,730
How do we do redevelopment here in Carborough? You guys are largely built out, right?

622
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:32,950
There are some large sites in the North part of town, but most of the most part you're built out.

623
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:39,690
How do we manage redevelopment in a down zoning limited environment like we've got now? These are challenges.

624
00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:45,930
Increasing densities and having more environmental protection and the roles for mandates versus incentives.

625
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:52,790
These are all priorities that have been expressed to us that while they're not at cross purposes,

626
00:57:53,050 --> 00:57:54,610
they are going to require some balance.

627
00:57:54,950 --> 00:58:00,790
And that's part of what we're thinking through and encourage you guys to give us direction on these as we go forward.

628
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:06,690
I'm not going to spend a lot of time reciting the key themes.

629
00:58:06,690 --> 00:58:08,450
Again, there's 70 recommendations.

630
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:10,650
They're organized into eight themes.

631
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:14,630
It's very normal for these recommendations to evolve.

632
00:58:15,730 --> 00:58:18,110
There's a summary list of these recommendations

633
00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:20,250
on the first three pages of the code diagnosis,

634
00:58:20,430 --> 00:58:24,750
and then it goes into great detail with respect to some

635
00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:26,250
of the direction that we would propose.

636
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:28,090
We start with simplifying the UDM,

637
00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:31,830
making the document easier to use, safeguarding equity,

638
00:58:32,050 --> 00:58:35,930
rethinking how do we refacilitate public engagement,

639
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:38,770
and focus it on the most important parts of the process.

640
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:41,550
How do we adapt to climate change in ways

641
00:58:41,550 --> 00:58:45,350
that don't make development overly expensive, right?

642
00:58:45,930 --> 00:58:47,550
How do we address housing, choice,

643
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:49,770
and continue to incentivize the private sector

644
00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:52,590
to help the town provide affordable housing?

645
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:56,370
Integrating the policy guidance that's in Carbero Connects

646
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:58,630
and in your downtown master plan, making sure

647
00:58:58,630 --> 00:59:01,450
that that stuff fits seamlessly with your other regulations.

648
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:05,050
Productability is a huge issue on the part of the community

649
00:59:05,050 --> 00:59:11,550
on the part of the development folks who work here, being clear about what the rules say

650
00:59:11,550 --> 00:59:19,190
and how to interpret the outcomes. Legal sufficiency. It's a new ball game guys. We are in

651
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:23,750
a new world with the general assembly. We have the downsoning bill to deal with. We have pending

652
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:31,830
legislation that's on the platter for 2026 that has some continued troubling aspects to it. I'm

653
00:59:31,830 --> 00:59:37,010
happy to talk about that later if you'd like to hear more about that, and then finally incorporating

654
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:44,170
incentives, leaning into a win-win situation where we make it easier for applicants and developers

655
00:59:44,170 --> 00:59:46,910
to do the right thing.

656
00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:52,770
Project directions, where are we going with all of this? What should

657
00:59:52,770 --> 00:59:58,670
we be expecting? Obviously, ongoing discussion of priority balancing with you, with the community.

658
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:59,970
you should

659
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,180
Expect non-substantive document formatting and organization for greater readability, just going into basic, you know,

660
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:15,380
cooking and cleaning related aspects of your ordinance. Clean it up, make it easier to read,

661
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:21,940
easier to follow, easier to navigate. Procedural streamlining, wherever we can, make the process

662
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:29,440
faster, easier, more efficient, more understandable. Reduce the reliance on discretionary reviews,

663
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:36,520
like special use permits, codes that rely heavily on discretionary review or codes that lack sufficient

664
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,940
detail in terms of standards.

665
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,940
Increase the codification of those standards. Let's be very

666
01:00:42,940 --> 01:00:47,740
clear and telegraph to the community. What it is that we're looking for here in Carborough. Let's take

667
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:52,880
the time to figure out this is the kind of development that we'd like to see here and if you bring

668
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,860
us this kind of development, your path to approval will be more predictable, faster, easier.

669
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:13,760
And that may come with more staff-level decision-making with codification, you can have a greater sort of comfort level that the kinds of development that you're anticipating are more likely to result.

670
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:23,130
Continue focus on incentives, particularly with respect to affordable housing and the environmental protection.

671
01:01:23,130 --> 01:01:25,850
We are in a Dylan's rule state.

672
01:01:26,550 --> 01:01:27,570
I know you know that.

673
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:32,930
We have some limitations on the kinds of things that we can do here in North Carolina,

674
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:37,010
with respect to inclusionary zoning, with respect to environmental protection,

675
01:01:37,490 --> 01:01:40,210
and those conditions are worsening for us.

676
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:42,430
They're not getting better. They're getting worse.

677
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:47,150
So this idea of voluntary incentive.

678
01:01:47,450 --> 01:01:50,350
This is going to win the day for us going forward.

679
01:01:50,350 --> 01:02:01,070
I cannot stress enough to you the situation that we might be in where we're seeing the general assembly stepping in and rescinding your regulation.

680
01:02:02,010 --> 01:02:05,380
That is becoming a reality for us in the state.

681
01:02:07,150 --> 01:02:12,750
Increased use of conditional zoning, again in line with use of incentives and negotiation.

682
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:16,910
And then finally, increase public scrutiny where it matters the most.

683
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:21,250
When we're drafting the regulations, when we're deciding the kinds of development that we'd

684
01:02:21,250 --> 01:02:26,710
like to see here, that's where public engagement really makes the most sense.

685
01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:33,270
And instances where an applicant might be seeking to deviate or wave development standards

686
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:39,570
that are in the codified regulation, that's the place where public scrutiny is most helpful.

687
01:02:39,570 --> 01:02:49,770
And so, with that, our next steps, continued discussion, revision, refinement of the co-diagnosis.

688
01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:59,790
We feel like the document is in its complete state, interested in and happy to append it with information that we receive.

689
01:03:00,530 --> 01:03:07,890
And review that information as we go forward with the annotated outline, which we would expect to do June through September of this year.

690
01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:11,210
when you guys come back, we hope to have the annotated outline

691
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:13,650
with a happy bow for you to look at.

692
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:16,010
It'll be about the same size as the code diagnosis,

693
01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:18,990
maybe even a little bit bigger, with a lot more detail

694
01:03:18,990 --> 01:03:21,730
on the various code sections structure and layout.

695
01:03:22,810 --> 01:03:26,230
Also, last but not least, continue public engagement,

696
01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:29,910
particularly with respect to the code diagnosis in July.

697
01:03:30,210 --> 01:03:32,190
Something that's recorded, something that's made available

698
01:03:32,750 --> 01:03:33,310
for the public.

699
01:03:33,490 --> 01:03:35,230
That's not to say this is the only engagement.

700
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:43,190
It's just the engagement associated with this document and I am happy to either tell you about

701
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:46,630
some troubling legislation or answer your questions or both.

702
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:48,510
Thank you so much, Chad.

703
01:03:48,670 --> 01:03:51,030
Do we want to hear about the troubling legislation?

704
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:51,970
I have a question.

705
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:55,190
You want to go with the question and then come back.

706
01:03:55,530 --> 01:03:59,710
Council Member Frey has and probably more than one question possibly.

707
01:03:59,750 --> 01:04:00,830
I'll carry on.

708
01:04:01,370 --> 01:04:02,490
I will do my best.

709
01:04:02,990 --> 01:04:03,430
Thank you.

710
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:11,110
Chad, I wonder if you could talk about your strategy going through the annotated outline

711
01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:11,650
and beyond.

712
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:14,030
You've used the balances of the theme.

713
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:17,210
This is something you've brought to us before, balancing the different priorities.

714
01:04:18,690 --> 01:04:23,510
The code diagnosis has a lot of places where you've picked up on threads from our work

715
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:27,490
session last fall or picked up threads from our other documents and the comprehensive

716
01:04:27,490 --> 01:04:27,990
plan.

717
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:33,410
But there's still a lot of explorers, considers, perhaps, what's the strategy for getting

718
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:36,230
clear direction so that you can resolve those open areas.

719
01:04:37,070 --> 01:04:38,810
So that's a fantastic question.

720
01:04:39,570 --> 01:04:44,270
We have made progress, at least at this point we're able to articulate those things that

721
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:48,310
we need to balance between, which six months ago we weren't sure about.

722
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:50,370
So that part's done.

723
01:04:50,370 --> 01:04:54,850
with respect to this idea about, you know,

724
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:59,970
codification, increased use of incentives, sort of the room.

725
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:14,780
The removal of discretionary review procedures. We think that's the right way to go and suggest that you go forward with that. There are a lot of technical aspects that we do still need to have some additional discussion on, for instance, stormwater.

726
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:25,320
We have, we are intending to meet with town stormwater staff to continue to understand what are the challenges that they are looking for, what direction do they think is appropriate.

727
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:35,100
And then comparing that with what we know the general assembly is is going to look at and be okay with or those things that might cause problems.

728
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,000
Same with housing. Housing is such an important issue.

729
01:05:39,460 --> 01:05:45,640
We have yet to meet with the towns affordable housing folks and iron those aspects out.

730
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,400
Procedurally we got this. This is something that we're very comfortable with.

731
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,320
most of the development standards pretty comfortable with.

732
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:58,020
The issue of down zoning is settled for us.

733
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,600
We're not going to lower densities.

734
01:06:01,100 --> 01:06:03,880
We're not going to reduce the range of allowable uses.

735
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,140
That's just not going to happen.

736
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,520
We do think that we've got a solution in terms of how we apply

737
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,340
your development standards to new development and to changes

738
01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:17,560
to existing development.

739
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:23,260
and you will be probably the fourth or fifth local government, should you choose to adopt

740
01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:27,900
the UDO when the time comes to adopt this approach that we are working through right now.

741
01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:30,900
So there will be at least four folks in front of you.

742
01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,700
I've never seek litigation, but it sure would be nice if we could have a little bit of

743
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:40,740
guardrail from the courts on this issue, because there are so many open questions I cannot

744
01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:45,040
express the frustration that exists in the communities across the state about how do we do

745
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:45,660
this?

746
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:51,580
is a real problem. It truly is, so we're working through that. Some of the stuff we know,

747
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,940
some of the stuff we're talking to your staff, some of the stuff we probably won't settle

748
01:06:55,940 --> 01:07:01,060
until we get to an annotated outline, and that's the role of that document, is to sort of give you

749
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:04,940
our sense of direction. Thank you.

750
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:11,050
I know it may be a list, but could you highlight,

751
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:16,750
so not the

752
01:07:16,750 --> 01:07:18,270
increase a range of uses.

753
01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:27,590
So broadly speaking, our project here is not necessarily

754
01:07:27,590 --> 01:07:32,310
in conflict with the stated goal of the down zoning bill

755
01:07:32,310 --> 01:07:34,730
understanding that because that legislation

756
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:37,670
has been structured very poorly and confusingly

757
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:39,550
that we might trip into it.

758
01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:44,290
Are there particular areas where you currently

759
01:07:44,290 --> 01:07:52,890
see that there is both sort of a clear goal for the community, and it is actually in conflict

760
01:07:52,890 --> 01:07:55,630
with what we understand right now of the downsonings.

761
01:07:55,630 --> 01:07:56,650
Yes, absolutely.

762
01:07:57,470 --> 01:08:01,350
And it turns primarily on the creation of non-conformities on existing development.

763
01:08:02,030 --> 01:08:02,110
Okay.

764
01:08:02,230 --> 01:08:05,270
So that's one of the pillars of this piece of legislation.

765
01:08:05,970 --> 01:08:11,850
The no lowering densities, the no reductions in allowable uses, and no creating non-conformities

766
01:08:11,850 --> 01:08:13,950
without prior landowner consent.

767
01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:17,930
Okay, so anybody who's got vacant property, right?

768
01:08:18,250 --> 01:08:20,070
We can draft standards and apply those standards

769
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:22,270
to that vacant property without worry.

770
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:22,870
Why?

771
01:08:23,050 --> 01:08:25,450
Because there's no non-conformity to be created.

772
01:08:26,230 --> 01:08:28,130
However, I mentioned before.

773
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:30,390
Carbrow is a built community.

774
01:08:30,830 --> 01:08:33,170
You are largely built out a lot of the development

775
01:08:33,170 --> 01:08:35,570
that you're going to see particularly around the core

776
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:37,290
is going to be redevelopment.

777
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:40,690
That is existing stuff on the ground.

778
01:08:40,690 --> 01:08:48,910
If we seek to come in with newer standards, changes to what that kind of development is going

779
01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:55,630
to be subject to, we have to be very careful about how we steer clear from creating a non-conforming

780
01:08:55,630 --> 01:09:02,890
situation, from adding a standard to those lots to that development that development can't

781
01:09:02,890 --> 01:09:06,730
comply with or doesn't comply with upon adoption, that would be a down-sounding.

782
01:09:06,730 --> 01:09:16,630
So we have to navigate that carefully and it's going to call for some tough choices when we get to that point about how we structure the applicability to the standards.

783
01:09:17,330 --> 01:09:33,430
I know there's a real desire to have more environmental protection, more stormwater control, more flood control, more soil protection, these are all aspects that are higher standards than what you have today.

784
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:47,830
that could be considered down-soning and we know that the General Assembly has come out at least with respect to riparian buffers and said quite clearly no local government shall adopt a regulation that is more restrictive than the state maximum.

785
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:51,950
And I mean, that's where we're headed.

786
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:59,970
So, those are areas that we need to continue to think through, how do we do this, incentives, voluntary...

787
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,780
Proaches, conditional zoning, those are all mechanisms that we have available to us, at least at this point.

788
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:16,540
And that's, you know, we would expect to lean into that, but we need to discuss it, and we need to understand how you guys feel about the priorities.

789
01:10:17,540 --> 01:10:25,600
Are there any standards that look to you currently like they would be in there that are stricter, other than stormwater?

790
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:37,320
stormwater flood control. I don't necessarily think design per se. I know that there is a desire

791
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:46,980
to create a condition where traditional single-family residential development is disincentivized,

792
01:10:46,980 --> 01:10:52,880
or at least is not as incentivized as it is due to a. That'll be an area where we need to be careful.

793
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:59,460
I think there is a path forward. I'm optimistic that we can achieve some of the things that

794
01:10:59,460 --> 01:11:06,080
town wants to do. But I just can't stress enough. I don't have a playbook back here. I don't

795
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:11,320
have the code that we just did for somebody else. This doesn't exist. We're on the frontier

796
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:21,380
here. And this is money. This is potentially adult money. We could be litigation situation.

797
01:11:21,660 --> 01:11:26,220
Now judges no longer even have the discretion about whether or not to grant damages.

798
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,440
They're

799
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:33,640
So proceed with caution, because I don't want to be sued either.

800
01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:35,460
And I'm on board with you guys.

801
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:36,540
I'm in this boat, right?

802
01:11:36,620 --> 01:11:37,420
Just like you.

803
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,900
Has anyone tackled specifically flood area restrictions,

804
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,380
since the downsizing bill is adopted?

805
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:48,480
No, they haven't.

806
01:11:48,540 --> 01:11:50,800
Now, I will say there is a new flood

807
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:56,460
estate flood ordinance that includes a community flood hazard area,

808
01:11:56,460 --> 01:12:04,180
Which allows you to go above and beyond the basic theme of standard should you choose to do so?

809
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:11,280
So that's a positive right how that's going to roll with with Joan Street. I don't know the answer, but

810
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:18,120
We do have the ability to say for example, go to a 500-year floodplain or

811
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:24,660
outright limit development inside of a 100-year floodplain or have deeper controls on fill

812
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,900
or overflow parking in floodplains.

813
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,320
And I think through the changes in the state model ordinance, we've sort of got an on-tray

814
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,060
into that.

815
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,780
At least something to hang our hat on.

816
01:12:40,090 --> 01:12:40,510
Thank you.

817
01:12:44,030 --> 01:12:44,290
Okay.

818
01:12:44,570 --> 01:12:44,830
Sounds good.

819
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:46,930
I think that's my questions.

820
01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:48,830
I yield back by the mayor.

821
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:50,590
All right.

822
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:51,690
Thank you so much.

823
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:54,710
Council Member Frey for those questions.

824
01:12:55,490 --> 01:13:00,950
Are there other questions or comments for a chat at this time?

825
01:13:02,210 --> 01:13:07,030
I think you probably is a good time to talk about this pending legislation, so we're going

826
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:09,970
to get into, since we don't have any more questions right now.

827
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:16,070
I'm going to talk about the two bills, and the first one is probably not going to be an issue

828
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:16,850
for us.

829
01:13:17,210 --> 01:13:19,790
And that's the bill that actually floated out last year.

830
01:13:20,250 --> 01:13:22,250
I think it has really, really good intentions.

831
01:13:22,570 --> 01:13:28,810
It's intended to allow us to apply stormwater control provisions to redevelopment sites.

832
01:13:29,690 --> 01:13:31,210
and it's a positive.

833
01:13:32,090 --> 01:13:35,910
On the negative side, caught up in the balance is your ability

834
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:36,990
to require parking.

835
01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:41,930
That your parking standards would be preempted.

836
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:46,210
And therefore, you know, that may be an issue for you.

837
01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:47,910
It might not be an issue for you.

838
01:13:48,030 --> 01:13:51,150
If you are a community that has a lot of narrow streets,

839
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:54,270
I know you guys have already waved parking requirements

840
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:54,970
for residential.

841
01:13:55,290 --> 01:13:57,270
The question is, do we take the next step?

842
01:13:57,270 --> 01:14:03,410
And one of the important aspects that we see in these communities is there has to be ample

843
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:06,530
off-street parking availability that is provided.

844
01:14:07,530 --> 01:14:12,510
Primarily, by the local government, because the private sector has very little incentive

845
01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:14,190
to make those provisions.

846
01:14:14,670 --> 01:14:19,370
So, there's a sort of a shift in thinking about how we provide parking particularly in

847
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:20,630
our most dense areas.

848
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:25,330
And the responsibility has the tendency to shift from the private sector to the

849
01:14:25,330 --> 01:14:32,010
government in that regard. So file that away for thinking. I'm not sure what will happen

850
01:14:32,010 --> 01:14:36,850
with that bill. It was proposed last year. It didn't pass. This year we have Senate

851
01:14:36,850 --> 01:14:43,650
Bill 1047. Remember we have an omnibus regulatory reform bill every year. Okay. This is

852
01:14:43,650 --> 01:14:50,350
this year's omnibus regulatory reform bill. We are adding rezoning and conditional zoning

853
01:14:50,350 --> 01:14:51,950
approvals to permit choice.

854
01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:57,150
So permit choice is if I submit to you an application, it's declared complete.

855
01:14:57,370 --> 01:14:59,970
You change your rules before the decision is made on my application.

856
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,620
Education, I get to choose which set to go forward under. Not that big of a deal, but this is a growing trend.

857
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:16,500
We're seeing an increased reference to applicants to the private sector. The most troubling part,

858
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:27,580
at least for me personally, about this bill, are the shot clocks. And a shot clock is a set amount of time that you have to review and decide an application.

859
01:15:27,580 --> 01:15:33,860
And if you fail to meet the shot clock, that application is automatically approved, period.

860
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:34,680
Okay?

861
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,720
So, the shot clocks work like this.

862
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,340
You've got seven days when an application is submitted to make a determination

863
01:15:42,340 --> 01:15:43,760
about whether or not it's complete.

864
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,520
The applicant has time to revise their application if it's not complete.

865
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:55,360
When it's submitted to you, you have another seven days to complete your re-review

866
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,760
of whether or not the application is complete.

867
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,760
Once you've declared the application complete,

868
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,760
you have 20 days to do an initial review of that application.

869
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,020
And share that information with the applicant.

870
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,660
The applicant has 15 days to respond.

871
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:12,920
You have 10 days to re-review.

872
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,320
At that point, when that 10 day clock on re-review has run,

873
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:20,220
this is what happens.

874
01:16:20,980 --> 01:16:22,880
A 90 day clock starts.

875
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:32,720
Okay? And this is for every single application. Subdivision, site plan, rezoning, development

876
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:40,060
agreement, all of it, 90 days. Okay? Failure to decide within 90 days equals approval,

877
01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:47,390
whether or not it meets your standards or not. It is totally unclear and unadressed about

878
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:54,430
So if you've got a subdivision plat that's got three phases, does that mean all three phases have to be done?

879
01:16:54,610 --> 01:16:56,930
Or just one, I don't know, it's not clear.

880
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:59,370
Multi-part development applications.

881
01:16:59,890 --> 01:17:05,170
What if I have a special use permit, a site plan, and a subdivision to do?

882
01:17:05,570 --> 01:17:07,830
Is that, you know, 180 days?

883
01:17:08,370 --> 01:17:10,350
Is it 270 days?

884
01:17:10,430 --> 01:17:11,370
Is it 90 days?

885
01:17:11,530 --> 01:17:12,090
We don't know.

886
01:17:12,370 --> 01:17:12,910
It's not clear.

887
01:17:13,890 --> 01:17:24,290
This will undoubtedly result in more application denials, simply because there's insufficient time to review the application.

888
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:31,890
If you are a jurisdiction that has multiple review bodies, reviewing these kinds of applications,

889
01:17:32,210 --> 01:17:39,270
I guess what you are, you're going to have to speed up the process in order to make the 90 days.

890
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:46,870
So this is a very, very impactful piece of legislation whether you adopt this UDO that we're working on or not.

891
01:17:47,730 --> 01:17:55,070
These shot clocks are going to rework how you do development review and application processing, top to bottom.

892
01:17:56,110 --> 01:18:04,070
Historic districts, you don't have any, but if you were to have 150% of the property owners would have to sign the petition to be in the district

893
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:06,530
and approval requires a three-fist majority.

894
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:14,970
okay residential zoning changing some have said there's a limitation on

895
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:22,490
lot size I don't necessarily agree with that I do agree that how we categorize

896
01:18:22,490 --> 01:18:26,330
residential districts needs to change and we will be categorizing residential

897
01:18:26,330 --> 01:18:31,230
districts if this bill passes based on allowable densities another significant

898
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:36,450
change whether or not it's already in the books I'm not sure I felt like this was

899
01:18:36,450 --> 01:18:43,370
already the rule, but embedded in this regulation is, as follows, yield on your property

900
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:50,190
flows from the gross acreage, not the net acreage. So you don't discount land area for

901
01:18:50,190 --> 01:18:58,450
roads or land area for wetlands or repairian buffers, applicants get density credit for the gross

902
01:18:58,450 --> 01:19:05,390
acreage of the site, whether those lands are buildable or not. So you could see a hundred acre

903
01:19:05,390 --> 01:19:10,330
parcel that has 99 acres of wetlands on it, and they still get the density for the

904
01:19:10,330 --> 01:19:11,110
hundred acres.

905
01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:20,770
The estimates, your staff is going to have to post your fee schedule, your staff is going

906
01:19:20,770 --> 01:19:27,250
to have to provide to every applicant twice what the fees for their applications are

907
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:31,030
going to be, and that includes system fees after approval.

908
01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:35,370
Okay?

909
01:19:35,370 --> 01:19:40,250
complete, you're going to have to let the applicant know exactly what the fees are going to be for their application.

910
01:19:42,010 --> 01:19:48,270
Further on down the road, you're going to have to let them know again, once an approval has been made, what the application fees are going to be.

911
01:19:48,970 --> 01:19:59,930
Applicants have the authority to proceed directly to Superior Court and file a civil action against you if they, if you have not followed, what you're...

912
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,820
The fee schedule amounts were, so the relative importance of determining the fee amount now takes

913
01:20:06,820 --> 01:20:13,820
on much more significance, because once you tell them what the fee is, that's it. And obviously

914
01:20:13,820 --> 01:20:19,600
that raises questions. What happens if the application changes? Does the fee change? Not sure.

915
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,100
I don't know, assuming it would, but it's not clear.

916
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:29,310
That's that bill, 1047.

917
01:20:33,250 --> 01:20:35,290
So I still remain optimistic.

918
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:37,950
We haven't lost conditionals owning yet.

919
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:40,870
There is another bill about accessory dwelling units

920
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:42,610
and density and things that y'all will support.

921
01:20:42,770 --> 01:20:44,350
So there's not really too much concern there.

922
01:20:45,650 --> 01:20:47,930
But you may recall last year there was a bill

923
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:50,710
that was going to rescind conditional zoning flexibility.

924
01:20:50,710 --> 01:20:57,810
that hasn't been floated this year. Thankfully. But this is where we are. And we find

925
01:20:57,810 --> 01:21:02,730
ourselves, I think, frankly, in one of the most hostile climates towards local government regulation

926
01:21:02,730 --> 01:21:09,990
that I've seen in my career in North Carolina. And we have to proceed with caution. We are now seeing

927
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:19,190
punishment of all for the alleged misactions of the few, which is somewhat say tyranny.

928
01:21:19,190 --> 01:21:19,770
And

929
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:35,620
I mentioned earlier about the development community and they were kind of feeling like maybe none of this has been necessarily helpful to them.

930
01:21:35,660 --> 01:21:39,340
Can you share a little bit more information about what you were hearing?

931
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:46,900
I surely can. I surely can and so I'll just I'll step back and share just a little bit more information for context.

932
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:53,020
So when we started the project, we had a meeting with the development community and boy they were Mattis Hornets.

933
01:21:53,020 --> 01:21:56,880
They really, really were upset about almost everything.

934
01:21:59,340 --> 01:22:03,360
And we took their information in, we took it on board,

935
01:22:04,220 --> 01:22:08,400
and we balanced that against some of the other goals

936
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,260
that we've got from y'all's adoptive policy guidance

937
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:13,580
from the information we heard from you from the people who live here.

938
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,480
We put that information in the code diagnosis.

939
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,500
One of the appendices talks about the issues that were raised

940
01:22:19,500 --> 01:22:20,520
by the development community.

941
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:25,160
we did that specifically so that we could be clear to them that we were listening and that

942
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,900
we were attempting to address their concerns.

943
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:32,000
We had a meeting, as John mentioned, on the third of June, where we invited those

944
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,680
same Mattis Hornet development community folks to come to the meeting.

945
01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:38,520
We had four people there.

946
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:41,320
So it wasn't as many.

947
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:51,900
We begged, I set out two emails myself begging for their comments on the, you know, at least

948
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:53,340
look at the first three pages.

949
01:22:53,820 --> 01:22:58,240
You don't have to read all, you know, gosh, hundred and thousand pages of this thing, but

950
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,580
at least look at the first three pages and give us your thoughts.

951
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:07,600
We've gotten one set of comments, so we have not gotten a lot of comments from the development

952
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:08,040
community.

953
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,900
What we heard from the people who were in attendance is as follows.

954
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,860
One, there's not a lot of large land area left in Carboro.

955
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:22,100
And therefore, you know, this is a time for bold strokes.

956
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:26,600
This development unified development ordinance is just biting at the edges.

957
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:31,100
And it's not dealing holistically with the challenges and problems that they face.

958
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:32,860
That was one sort of sentiment.

959
01:23:32,860 --> 01:23:52,440
Another sentiment was quite simply the development community will simply move elsewhere that if their perception among the development community is that the expectations of the town are too much in light of the profit margin that's available to develop here, they will simply go elsewhere.

960
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:58,780
And it was also said that that's already happening.

961
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:02,380
Whether or not that's true, I don't know.

962
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:06,600
I think there's still a lot of opportunity here in Carborough.

963
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:13,420
And my guess is that you won't see applications disappear any time soon

964
01:24:13,420 --> 01:24:16,500
because a lot of people want to be here.

965
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:24,940
But we do need to be mindful of our process, particularly in the light of the legislative and legal climate that we're in right now.

966
01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:28,680
It is a different world than it was just a few years ago.

967
01:24:29,860 --> 01:24:33,600
So those were the kinds of, that's why I say there was not a lot of fear.

968
01:24:33,940 --> 01:24:36,960
There was feeling that we just weren't moving the needle sufficiently.

969
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:50,800
You know, there's continued sort of push back against the housing goals of the town, and I tried to explain as, as gently as I could, that those goals are not going away.

970
01:24:51,140 --> 01:24:56,240
You know, that those things are, you know, an integral part of what Carber is about.

971
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,960
And while there may be some people who would like to see those.

972
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:08,060
Times of things vanish. That's just not likely. The need for housing options, the need for density, the need for people

973
01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:16,480
of a place to live here is just too great. And we're just going to have to figure out a way to deal with this. Whether or not they'd love that answer.

974
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,100
I don't know, but that was the answer that they got.

975
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:26,010
Thank you for that chat. Any other questions, colleagues or comments?

976
01:25:30,370 --> 01:25:38,050
I just wanted to get the number on that initial bill. You mentioned 1047 bull was the first one that I think.

977
01:25:38,050 --> 01:25:43,910
Right, and I'm sorry, the other one is, I said my mind, but I'll send an email to staff and give you that number.

978
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:45,050
Perfect.

979
01:25:45,330 --> 01:25:48,130
I'm not as up on legislation as I used to be.

980
01:25:48,130 --> 01:25:51,510
didn't hold it. It's hard to keep up with too much. Gosh, it sure is.

981
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:56,290
Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah. We have about 16 pretty impactful bills this time.

982
01:25:57,870 --> 01:26:00,310
That was it. No, I'm sorry. I cast them over a mirror.

983
01:26:00,870 --> 01:26:04,710
Well, assuming that we're going to continue moving from the diagnosis to the outline,

984
01:26:04,910 --> 01:26:07,730
there were just a couple of things that I noted that I was hoping

985
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:12,790
would be explored a little more fully as we get into the annotated outline.

986
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:23,530
And I noticed a lot of the kind of transportation goals that we see in the comprehensive

987
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:26,750
plan, you know, using NACTO as reference 20 miles an hour.

988
01:26:26,830 --> 01:26:30,270
I saw that in the appendix and didn't see much of that in the kind of body of the diagnosis

989
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:34,710
so I hope to see that fleshed out a little bit more as we get into the outline.

990
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:39,790
And then, really like the idea of incentives over regulations,

991
01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:43,330
didn't see much about it,

992
01:26:43,410 --> 01:26:47,670
but I'd be curious to see, or hear your thoughts as we, again, kind of, get further into the

993
01:26:47,670 --> 01:26:55,790
outline, where floor area ratio can kind of play in as an incentivizing tool.

994
01:26:56,090 --> 01:27:01,370
You know, if people are, you know, hitting some of these things, they get increased floor

995
01:27:01,370 --> 01:27:12,430
area issue. One of the things that jumped out to me that seemed to odds with some of our

996
01:27:12,430 --> 01:27:21,590
policy goals of increasing affordable housing stock is recommendations to carry forward

997
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:29,190
SUPs for single room occupancies. That is one of the historically better tools for addressing

998
01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:36,210
deep affordability, especially 30% AMI, so I'm curious, you know, just kind of, as we look

999
01:27:36,210 --> 01:27:37,290
at that a little bit closer,

1000
01:27:39,490 --> 01:27:43,350
how that plays in and how that may be, you know, I'm at

1001
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:53,630
or at odds with our goals, and then with storm water, and again kind of looking at ways that

1002
01:27:53,630 --> 01:28:03,530
can both do good redevelopment and encourage good stormwater control,

1003
01:28:05,610 --> 01:28:08,370
having some of those stormwater

1004
01:28:08,370 --> 01:28:15,050
things be about net change. Obviously, if it's a green field development, your net change is

1005
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:19,090
all of your change, but if we're talking about redevelopment, if you've already got 3000 square feet

1006
01:28:19,090 --> 01:28:22,170
to build out space, and we're giving floor area

1007
01:28:22,170 --> 01:28:24,330
ratio incentives, and we're not really changing the footprint

1008
01:28:24,330 --> 01:28:29,290
dramatically, like, yeah, again, we want to kind of push

1009
01:28:29,290 --> 01:28:32,130
our incentives towards the type of future carburetor we

1010
01:28:32,130 --> 01:28:34,590
want to see, which is more densely developed closer to town

1011
01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:35,890
to make better use of our infrastructure.

1012
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:39,170
So don't you go addressing that right now,

1013
01:28:39,490 --> 01:28:40,970
just those are things that kind of hopped out to me

1014
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:42,270
and, like to see those kind of.

1015
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:42,650
Fantastic.

1016
01:28:43,230 --> 01:28:48,830
Thank you, thank you, and yes, stormwater,

1017
01:28:48,830 --> 01:28:53,690
I'll start. I'll work my way up from the back. Stormwater is probably the largest challenge

1018
01:28:53,690 --> 01:28:56,970
because a lot of the existing development that you have in place today did not have to

1019
01:28:56,970 --> 01:29:05,330
comply with stormwater, right? And because of the downsoning bill, guess what? It's not going

1020
01:29:05,330 --> 01:29:12,730
to have to in the future because we're not allowed to make it unless we have a art full approach

1021
01:29:12,730 --> 01:29:18,130
to applicability, which we would propose. It's way too soon to go into the details on that,

1022
01:29:18,130 --> 01:29:19,570
But that information is coming.

1023
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:26,130
The reason I mentioned it is, that's an area where we really do need to lean into the incentives.

1024
01:29:27,210 --> 01:29:32,570
And I would suspect that there is a remote possibility that the town might have to take a greater

1025
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:40,610
leadership role on intra-regional stormwater measures here in town to create the conditions necessary

1026
01:29:40,610 --> 01:29:43,150
to support the redevelopment that we'd like to see.

1027
01:29:43,150 --> 01:29:50,230
We're probably not going to treat site-by-site stormwater improvements in a meaningful way.

1028
01:29:50,390 --> 01:29:54,210
This is a role where the town can step in.

1029
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:59,970
Utilize its powers, its authorities, its wisdom, and create sub-regional.

1030
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,460
General stormwater solutions that allow increased redevelopment without running a foul of our stormwater goals.

1031
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:13,620
So, I'm trying to give you sort of foreshadow for you where your stormwater stuff is probably going to go.

1032
01:30:13,980 --> 01:30:22,180
Frankly, it's a lot like affordable housing. You can continue to incentivize the private sector to participate in the provision of affordable housing.

1033
01:30:22,180 --> 01:30:28,180
you should do that. You do it quite well. We would suggest you lean into it even more,

1034
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:34,200
but at the end of the day is incentivize private sector going to solve the housing problem,

1035
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:42,480
answer? No, the government is going to be the cavalry who comes in and solves that problem.

1036
01:30:43,060 --> 01:30:47,660
The development community can participate, but to think that they would be the one who solve

1037
01:30:47,660 --> 01:30:51,680
all the problems, probably not realistic, like was the stormwater.

1038
01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:55,960
The transportation is also an interesting, interesting issue.

1039
01:30:56,900 --> 01:31:02,020
The fact that you've got an existing infrastructure that is the way that it is in the

1040
01:31:02,020 --> 01:31:07,120
built areas, and how do we manage that, and who's going to pay for those upgrades?

1041
01:31:08,500 --> 01:31:14,940
Can we pass those costs on to new development, perhaps, but that means that new development

1042
01:31:14,940 --> 01:31:20,060
It's going to be more expensive, which we said we didn't necessarily want to do.

1043
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:24,920
And so the outcome is, again, like stormwater, like housing, it may be necessary for

1044
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:29,800
the town to lead the charge in terms of the funding to increase the kinds of transportation

1045
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,020
opportunities that you'd like to see.

1046
01:31:32,220 --> 01:31:40,420
And I know that's not the answer that you want, but we really, in a situation where we're

1047
01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:45,480
still in rural state with downloading limitations and a funding mechanism that's built largely

1048
01:31:45,480 --> 01:31:50,180
on new development, and you're in a redevelopment setting, we've got some challenges to

1049
01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:56,380
work through. And I think that we can configure the regulations to do the best that they can

1050
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:03,320
do to steal the phrase from the development community, nibble around the edges. But I also think

1051
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:08,140
there's going to be an increased role for the town, and at least some of these platforms that

1052
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:12,640
is a way to move the needle in a meaningful way.

1053
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:19,020
You mentioned support for incentives over mandates, and I agree, I think incentives are wonderful.

1054
01:32:19,260 --> 01:32:22,740
The challenge with incentives is, how do we price them correctly?

1055
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:33,620
How much for area incentive is worth the cost of the stormwater improvement that's going to solve a larger area?

1056
01:32:33,620 --> 01:32:39,400
Those are very difficult questions to get to, and answers are even harder to find.

1057
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:41,740
We're working on it.

1058
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,720
But that's been a sort of an age old problem with all of the sustainability incentives.

1059
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,600
How do we price them appropriately?

1060
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,080
I know I didn't answer your questions, but I sure do appreciate you raising them.

1061
01:32:52,380 --> 01:32:53,460
Yeah, that's fine.

1062
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,060
And like I said, I wasn't expecting answers on the fly, but just ways to address those.

1063
01:32:58,060 --> 01:33:02,020
And I think, you know, kind of back to street design standards,

1064
01:33:02,020 --> 01:33:08,620
Totally understand that we're pretty well built out so I'm not expecting a developer to come in and redo our streets for us

1065
01:33:08,620 --> 01:33:13,760
But again with with an eye, you know, this is a design ordinance or a development ordinance

1066
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:20,540
You know, that has a heavy design component to it if we at least have kind of in in clear terms

1067
01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:29,740
What we expect new streets to look like if and when we ever get them. I guess that's more of my absolutely and set the stage for negotiation for those redevelopment contexts

1068
01:33:29,740 --> 01:33:35,720
where we can and and there's a lot of art to this you guys we you know it's it's hard to do

1069
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:39,920
redevelopment. I know that you know that settling redevelopment with additional expenditures

1070
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:45,960
to help retrofit your systems makes it even harder and that's our challenge that we're navigating.

1071
01:33:53,170 --> 01:33:54,990
Good. Yeah.

1072
01:33:57,570 --> 01:34:05,070
Thank you. Thank you. So coming back round chat for the comment portion. I have to admit I was kind of

1073
01:34:05,070 --> 01:34:12,990
Paul to hear that you would say that the delay that we got to get from our last work session

1074
01:34:12,990 --> 01:34:18,930
to the code diagnosis was in part waiting for the down-zoning bill to be repealed.

1075
01:34:19,250 --> 01:34:23,850
What I said, let's assume it's not going to be and let's get going before they come up

1076
01:34:23,850 --> 01:34:24,770
with something worse.

1077
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:33,530
It's my hope that we will be able to find ways to address those few places where we do

1078
01:34:33,530 --> 01:34:36,130
In fact, come into collision with it.

1079
01:34:39,990 --> 01:34:42,270
My read-over-all right now of the code diagnosis

1080
01:34:42,270 --> 01:34:45,090
is that your approach may be more cautious than is warranted.

1081
01:34:45,190 --> 01:34:46,890
Let me give you an example, a specific one,

1082
01:34:46,930 --> 01:34:49,790
that doesn't actually touch on downzone at all.

1083
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:53,170
You suggest that we might want to consider

1084
01:34:53,170 --> 01:34:58,330
expanding the district where home occupations

1085
01:34:58,330 --> 01:34:59,970
and other sort of...

1086
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,040
I think of like distributed small businesses are allowed.

1087
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:12,040
Neighborhood supporting stuff, small skill stuff, small skill stuff, stuff that's not causing large traffic noise, that kind of thing.

1088
01:35:13,060 --> 01:35:17,660
And so you said, well, right now they're limited to Rogers Road and you might want to expand that further.

1089
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:26,320
I guess what I'm asking is, because we are coming at this as a rewrite, looking at the kind of carbo that we want sort of starting starting over,

1090
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,080
rather than just trying to update the existing code and bring it into compliance.

1091
01:35:33,940 --> 01:35:38,660
Why do we need to restrict those kinds of occupations at all?

1092
01:35:41,860 --> 01:35:46,160
You have it in your current regulation. We would suggest that you broaden it.

1093
01:35:46,220 --> 01:35:48,160
And not just in Rogers Road, but everywhere.

1094
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,840
The question on the table is how far do we go with that?

1095
01:35:52,540 --> 01:35:55,040
And that'll be something that your community is going to,

1096
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:58,600
going to let us know what their comfort level is.

1097
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:06,100
For me, I love the idea of broadening the range of allowable uses in residential neighborhoods.

1098
01:36:06,860 --> 01:36:10,680
I think the reality of the situation is slightly different.

1099
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:16,040
And that is, if there is not a market that exists to support that kind of development, it will

1100
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:16,700
not last.

1101
01:36:16,780 --> 01:36:18,280
It will come and it will go.

1102
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:24,200
If we facilitate that kind of development happening in existing structures, then we're not

1103
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:28,140
going to see new structures that are built for the sole express purpose of a use that's going

1104
01:36:28,140 --> 01:36:31,280
to be bid out or ultimately fail.

1105
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:37,000
That's why I would suggest that we allow this as a secondary use in existing homes and

1106
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,780
in accessory structures on lots that have that.

1107
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:46,020
I think there's caution warranted, but I think we should open it up, and at least not let

1108
01:36:46,020 --> 01:36:48,940
the regulation be a hurdle to it.

1109
01:36:48,940 --> 01:36:57,280
At the same time, I just want to urge caution in that the market was going to be the one who decides whether or not those

1110
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:03,800
those activities are going to be sound or they're going to last or they're just going to turn into another empty building.

1111
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:05,800
Hopefully that won't happen.

1112
01:37:06,900 --> 01:37:17,740
So I'm saying this not in the sense of I'm saying this not because I think that merely removing the regulation means that

1113
01:37:17,740 --> 01:37:22,900
all of these home businesses will immediately bloom that the regulation was the only thing in the way.

1114
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:23,400
Right, sure.

1115
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:30,500
But I would ask you to keep an eye on where does, where does carboros regulation,

1116
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:36,420
whether it's a new one that we are proposing or one that already exists in our existing code,

1117
01:37:36,940 --> 01:37:44,960
where does it actually pertain to creating the environment that we want to?

1118
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:51,920
And if it doesn't, there are many regulations and carboros ordinance today that simply do not pertain to that goal.

1119
01:37:53,620 --> 01:38:01,740
In those cases, when I talk about the fact that we are, that the point is for this to be a new utio and not simply a modernization of the existing one is to say,

1120
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:14,260
if there is no pertinent reason, I would ask you to make your default approach to remove it rather than simply to update it and perhaps expand a little bit.

1121
01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:17,600
And that's what I mean about the cautiousness of the approach.

1122
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,640
I want to repeat that back so that you know that I got what you said.

1123
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:33,780
So your suggestion is that we're possible.

1124
01:38:34,780 --> 01:38:44,100
The new UDO not simply carry forward a limitation or pick around the edges of a limitation.

1125
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:50,860
And if there's a limitation that is significant and it impacts the consensus of the community

1126
01:38:50,860 --> 01:38:57,500
about what the, you know, what's desired here, then that regulation should be just removed

1127
01:38:57,500 --> 01:38:58,120
wholesale.

1128
01:38:59,300 --> 01:39:03,540
Certainly, from a down zoning perspective, that's great.

1129
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:10,020
Anything that increases development potential is the antithesis of down zoning and certainly

1130
01:39:10,020 --> 01:39:12,240
would not draw the error of the general assembly.

1131
01:39:14,460 --> 01:39:18,560
The thing that I want to be conscious of

1132
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:26,020
is twofold one that we, in our zeal to make these changes, we don't run a foul of the

1133
01:39:26,020 --> 01:39:30,560
people who live in those communities and call for use types that they believe aren't consistent

1134
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:39,500
with whatever it is that they've got going on in their neighborhoods. The other thing is being respectful

1135
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:45,360
of the capacity, the infrastructure capacity that we do have here, at least with respect to transportation and storm water.

1136
01:39:45,940 --> 01:39:48,260
Those are going to be challenges in the developed areas.

1137
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:54,800
And so I understand what you're saying, which is Chad, open the doors and let the sun in.

1138
01:39:56,440 --> 01:39:59,980
Let's have this vibrant...

1139
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:09,440
You know, complete community with that has all of the uses and I understand that and I will do my best to remove any overly cautious provisions.

1140
01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:19,640
I guess I've just been doing this too long, I don't know, but I think that's a fair point and we will strive to do that.

1141
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:41,820
And if there are regulations out there that we feel like are overly cautious and that we feel like we need to abolish what we'll do in the annotated outline is footnote those for you and we will say to you here's a standard that we think lines up with the toss it out, it's overly cautious

1142
01:40:41,820 --> 01:40:48,660
Here's the potential downside for doing that and then let you guys make that decision as we go forward

1143
01:40:48,660 --> 01:40:50,260
Will that, is that fair?

1144
01:40:50,540 --> 01:40:51,280
That works fine, yes.

1145
01:40:51,460 --> 01:40:52,040
Yeah, okay.

1146
01:40:55,930 --> 01:40:59,670
I think my other note here is I would just strongly encourage you, where you find that you've

1147
01:40:59,670 --> 01:41:04,250
got balancing challenges remaining, or new ones popping up as a result of outreach.

1148
01:41:05,970 --> 01:41:08,870
If you have the chance, bring us some concrete examples.

1149
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:16,250
I'm just thinking about, from this kind of change management work when I do it, is it really

1150
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:20,610
helps to bring people a test case.

1151
01:41:21,210 --> 01:41:22,790
I imagine this is something that you're going to do later,

1152
01:41:23,150 --> 01:41:25,110
when you're testing the proposed code,

1153
01:41:25,330 --> 01:41:30,190
but it may be helpful to elicit good feedback from the public

1154
01:41:30,190 --> 01:41:33,930
or from us to say, OK, well, here is a potential development

1155
01:41:33,930 --> 01:41:35,730
and here are the ways in which it

1156
01:41:35,730 --> 01:41:38,310
pokes at the different balancing challenges.

1157
01:41:39,290 --> 01:41:42,130
It can help get people thinking more concretely

1158
01:41:42,130 --> 01:41:43,210
instead of in the abstract.

1159
01:41:43,790 --> 01:41:47,010
And I would expect us to start moving more in that direction.

1160
01:41:48,050 --> 01:41:56,450
More concrete examples of where these challenges lie and where the priorities ultimately land.

1161
01:41:57,770 --> 01:41:59,330
I've talked a lot about stormwater tonight.

1162
01:41:59,690 --> 01:41:59,990
That's one.

1163
01:42:00,090 --> 01:42:01,530
I realize it's kind of esoteric.

1164
01:42:02,330 --> 01:42:04,950
But there's a desire to have more and better stormwater.

1165
01:42:05,390 --> 01:42:06,030
That's great.

1166
01:42:06,190 --> 01:42:08,770
That's going to take up more land and it's going to cost more.

1167
01:42:09,530 --> 01:42:16,070
And if we want to have, you know, more reasonably priced development or keep the cost of development steady,

1168
01:42:16,850 --> 01:42:23,990
and we want to increase the stormwater requirements, somewhere somehow we have to manage that.

1169
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:28,590
And if it's not going to be at the cost of development, then it's going to be, you know,

1170
01:42:28,670 --> 01:42:33,110
some other location is going to bear that cost, some other party, some other entity.

1171
01:42:34,010 --> 01:42:36,130
You, the town.

1172
01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:41,400
That is also a lot easier if we have more development.

1173
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:43,400
Agreed.

1174
01:42:43,940 --> 01:42:44,120
Awesome.

1175
01:42:44,340 --> 01:42:45,340
Thank you very much, chat.

1176
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:49,460
Okay.

1177
01:42:50,780 --> 01:42:52,940
Any other questions or comments?

1178
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,160
We're, let's take a seat.

1179
01:42:57,420 --> 01:42:57,660
Thanks.

1180
01:42:58,020 --> 01:42:59,120
Thank you very much.

1181
01:42:59,260 --> 01:43:00,140
Thanks for the questions.

1182
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:02,980
We look forward to taking the next steps.

1183
01:43:03,480 --> 01:43:07,240
And I appreciate again the chance to work with you guys and to learn from you.

1184
01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:09,120
It's been truly, truly wonderful.

1185
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:11,960
and I look forward to continuing as we go.

1186
01:43:12,060 --> 01:43:13,320
Well, thanks so much.

1187
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:14,360
Appreciate your presentation.

1188
01:43:17,060 --> 01:43:20,760
And I believe the next item on this adjoin.

1189
01:43:23,860 --> 01:43:25,180
Good evening, Mayor.

1190
01:43:25,300 --> 01:43:28,960
Council members, we have a couple board appointments.

1191
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:32,140
I think you have the sheet in front of you.

1192
01:43:32,260 --> 01:43:35,360
We have racial equity commission.

1193
01:43:35,900 --> 01:43:38,580
And we have economics, sustainability commission.

1194
01:43:38,580 --> 01:43:42,820
and I will turn it over to the mayor unless there are any questions.

1195
01:43:43,820 --> 01:43:48,100
Are there any questions about these appointments for the town clerk?

1196
01:43:50,660 --> 01:43:56,080
So the first one, we have the racial equity commission one re-appointment and two appointments.

1197
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:08,460
Council members are their names that rise to the top or that we want to put forth for a motion for the racial equity commission.

1198
01:44:08,580 --> 01:44:20,360
I mean, I would move that we re-appoint Liz Carter appoint his Yard No. I can't say that. I'm so sorry.

1199
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,280
Andrew and Johnson to the commission.

1200
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:24,840
Thank you.

1201
01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:25,780
Seconded.

1202
01:44:25,780 --> 01:44:32,720
All right. It's been moved and properly seconded on re-appointing Miss Liz Carter, too.

1203
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:39,920
because Gordano may be saying that incorrectly as well, and June Johnson to the right

1204
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:46,220
show equity commission. Are there any questions or further discussion? All in favor,

1205
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:54,380
please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 5.0 on those names. Next, we have the

1206
01:44:54,380 --> 01:44:59,960
economic sustainability commission to appointments for this.

1207
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,360
Commission, are there names that rise to the top that we can get a motion on?

1208
01:45:09,260 --> 01:45:15,580
Madam Mayor, if there's no other discussion, I would move that we appoint Zachary Fields and

1209
01:45:15,580 --> 01:45:18,240
Julian Goldner for these appointments.

1210
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:24,160
All right, it's been moved and properly seconded, that we appoint Zachary Fields and

1211
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:28,980
Julian Goldner to the Economic Sustainability Commission.

1212
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:31,960
I don't think there's any further discussion or questions.

1213
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,840
So all in favor, please say aye.

1214
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:36,500
Any opposed?

1215
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:41,760
Motion carries 50 on those names and thank you so much, colleagues.

1216
01:45:43,140 --> 01:45:48,380
And I will now entertain a motion to go in a close session

1217
01:45:48,380 --> 01:45:49,820
for a personnel matter.

1218
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:51,000
So I'm moved.

1219
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:52,660
Seconded.

1220
01:45:52,660 --> 01:46:01,140
Right, it has been moved in properly seconded that we had in the closed session. All in favor, please say hi in the opposed motion carries five out.

1221
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:09,960
We mayors will you let the public know if they're okay. So there will be no

1222
01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:16,010
Oppensation point my moves may so thank you. Thank you for that.