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I got simmer down, simmer down.

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So they heard me. They heard me. So they gave it away.

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Good afternoon. Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you, brief. I appreciate your public works.

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We had a meeting this morning about this new event that's going to impact our county.

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And we wanted to keep you and the citizens briefs.

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The road department facilities and fleet management for a full prepared to fight the event, as we call it.

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You're brief this morning by dovebrown and he told you some of the centrals,

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I don't want to reiterate that the forecast is calling for approximately 18-24 inches, no, for our area and the winds are going to be what's really hurting us.

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It's going to be about 30 mile an hour winds sustained until about 40 mile an hour of gusts.

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The storms predicted at this time to hit us about five o'clock tomorrow afternoon.

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And when it hits and it's described, it's going to hit quick and it's going to be very heavy.

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It's going to be a 5.3 quarter of an inch to an inch an hour.

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We just like to remind all the citizens to stay in if they can.

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Now, this one is sure that the road crews can do their job effectively.

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In addition, please help us by parking, not parking on the streets if you have a driveway

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parking your driveway.

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And don't walk in a coffee sack.

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If you have a goal, please park in a driveway and remove any obstacles, like trash cans,

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any basketball hoops, anything that's in the road in the road so we can get in there

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door job properly. This door is going to last into Sunday and it's going to take a long

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time for us to clean it up, especially with the wind and the drifting. And we are committed

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to getting sure that everyone safety is involved here. And we just want to make sure that

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we achieve a high level of snow plow. And if we can get the citizens to help us help them.

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And right now we just want to make sure everybody stays safe. So we're going to be out there

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We're going to get to you, we have a lot of roads, we have over 900 miles of roads, and we will get to you.

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So, just want to make sure that you'll be in for a little bit, but we will get out sometime.

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If anyone has an emergency, it needs to get out like a medical emergency.

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What would you advise them to do, Dave?

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Okay, and Doug Brown was morning. I was talking about the EOCV in open and they're going to have DPW staff along with the emergency management there, and it was a 1-800 number believe they gave.

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Yeah. And of course, 911's the first availability of your phone number. If you can't catch, we get them or anything. You call that 1-8-8 number.

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And then they will make sure that the proper dispatch has been, you know, involved for the trucks to get out and assistant anything.

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I've got that number right here.

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The emergency operations center number is 888-543-8362 again 888-543-8362.

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Let's want to make sure by safe and stay in and let us let us do our job when we get

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All right.

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Any other questions for day?

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Would it come?

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So, thank you, Dave.

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We appreciate the update.

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very much. And plow to certainly appreciate all the efforts that's going on too. As we stated this

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morning, that's one of the things that the preparation for this thing goes on notice too. We've had

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folks working tirelessly for the last several days as a result. Okay, thank you very much. The governor

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has declared a state of emergency as of 0700 hours tomorrow morning, which really sounds worse than

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it is. Essentially, that just puts key people in the places that they need to be. But I wanted

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to pass that along. And as a result of the pending storm, we have made the decision to close

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the county office building at 3 p.m. tomorrow. It's critically important to get our folks,

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regardless of what time this storm is going to start. Everybody that we've talked to said it's

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to begin heavy and come down fast. So it's critically important that we get our folks home safely

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also. So as of 3pm tomorrow for those, and we'll get the word out for those, I know it

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affects permits and certainly tax collection and office and that kind of thing. But we'll get

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the word out there, everyone, but we'll be closing at 3pm tomorrow and I know that care

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public schools is already decided to close three hours early tomorrow. So, so we're going

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all that we can to make sure that, you know, our public is safe. I can't reiterate enough

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as a public safety guy for over 40 years now. If you don't have to go out, don't. I don't think

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there's any milk toilet paper or bread left in Carol. But if there is, get it today or first thing

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tomorrow. You know, it helps our folks immensely to just stay home. You know, I've been

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clowning so also for the last 30 years and I've had people in my way for the every year

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and all the 30 years. So, and you know, several of the gentlemen that I talked to or ladies

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or whoever, whenever I ask him what they're doing out here,

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they have no good reason that they've given me.

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So anyway, that's enough about that.

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OK, I'm going to try to stay on time, Saturday.

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You're not doing very well.

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I don't want that.

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So first, on the list, the afternoon is,

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request acceptance at the Courthouse Security Grant Award and Debbie Standford is coming up and

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who else do you have, Debbie?

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We have Susan Larry.

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I'm Susan Harry.

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I'm the new court administrator, and my deputy, Bobbiur, who you may recognize, is here with

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me.

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I'm very fortunate to have her.

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But we're here today.

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First of all, welcome.

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Thank you.

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We're glad to have you on board.

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So we hear today to get your permission to accept a grant award from the Administrative Office of the Court of 142,329D so that we can upgrade our security at the Court houses.

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So if you have any questions, I believe you were given this sheet that shows everything what we're going to be spending the money on.

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So, I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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Does it summarize that when the bullet list for the public or you're spending the money left?

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Sure.

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First, 67,626,23 for digital cameras, that's to replace our analog cameras, several, we're working it all.

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Now the server, 12,528, 13, that's for the cameras.

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So we have to have a new server for the new digital cameras.

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than 29,6708 for the new X-ray machine, that's to go over the historic courthouse.

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Then 14,300, it says ballistic resistant glass, but really what it is as you come into the ground level of the annex, that's at the rear of the courthouse.

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When you go through the first double doors, there's a window there that looks right into where the veil of understanding.

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So that window will be bulletproof glass and then the wall underneath will be reinforced with Kevlar.

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Okay, so it's not just the glass.

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Then there's an extended warranty for all three of the x-ray machines.

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One in the historic courthouse, two in the annex, that will go until March 2020.

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And that's 18,182,46.

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How many cameras are we talking about?

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I can get back with you about the amount of $200 a piece that I believe they are that much.

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There's that thing.

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It just seems exorbitant.

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This wiring in place should just keep mine up to be run.

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probably some in place but some you

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know I don't want to get into the

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weeds I just I would just expect it that's for the entire system too

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that's probably not just for cameras it's probably that you know the software

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and all of those associated things that go with that yeah actually render

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an opinion it's 41 cameras now it makes more sense to me okay now I feel a lot

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better now. Okay. All right. I put the system in half a dozen cameras for

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$5,000. $5,000. I charge $50,000. Mark up was still saving some money.

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Did the camera, I guess, bid, did that go out to bid for the cameras?

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At least Skyline already has a contract with the counties. So that's what they're the ones

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that we go to for cameras.

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I mean, I'm not, I'm guessing I'm missing something, is there contract is we don't bid it out or we just find it because there's another estimate.

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Right, okay, doesn't have to, but we don't know if this is competitive or not.

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No, we don't, we don't

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know. Debbie, what's the, based on that questioning, what's our time line here?

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We don't have a long time to spend this money.

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It has to be spent before the end of fiscal year 16.

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So by June 30th of this year,

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the grantor does allow to follow county procurement,

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which would allow us to use a current vendor that's already going through.

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I mean, skyline is a current vendor that's already been vetted through purchasing.

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So they do allow us to, we have to follow county procurement policies.

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So they have followed county procurement policy and talked to purchasing about this

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Purchase and I do think part of it was that they needed to expedite

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I mean, I don't want to hold this up in your way, but because I would like to get the money from the grant

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However, I would anything this large is

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$67,000 without my glasses

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So I think it's $57,000

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I think things are that

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Manchu should go out to bid so we can find out if we're getting the best

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you. And I have nothing in Scotland. I don't know them at all, except I don't know we have a contract with them.

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I just think anything just this large and always got a bit.

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I have a group.

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So what do you suggest?

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Okay, we just have to accept it. We just have to grant.

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And then you can look to see if this is a good price or not. Correct. Would that be possible to do?

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Yeah, they can be with purchasing and make sure that.

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Okay, so you'll infertics authorizing to accept the grant of the stipulation that they will

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suspend what they will then will check competitive.

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I'll tell you.

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I'll tell you.

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I'll tell you.

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Okay.

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So make emotions accept the grant, which stipulation of the camera price, I guess, is

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checking.

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Okay.

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Is there a second?

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Yes.

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Is there a second?

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So depending on what kind of you sometimes the servers are camera unique, so the servers might need to be

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I'm just a great developer.

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We're here.

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They have a deep competitive alternatives and we just make the situation more general.

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So the United States promotion commission.

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You can make a wish. I will draw a motion. I'll make a motion that the Board of Commissioners authorize reports to receive form with a provision that they are going to check alternative competitive measures.

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ask for a second again.

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Second?

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Okay.

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Any additional comments or discussion?

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Have you looked like you're leaning?

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I don't know.

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Very good poker face.

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Is that for all of the items or for the...

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Please, Robert, thanks so.

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Hi.

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The combination of the camera and the person.

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And server, because those are tied together.

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Well, I'm assuming they're tied together.

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They might not be.

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I don't know, so some camera subsystems have their own unique service.

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I don't know, whether that server is a generic internet server, or land, or land, or

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land server.

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Whether it is vendor unique.

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I'm sorry, I don't know.

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But for the, I think the x-ray inspection, I think we procure those off of state contract,

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for the x-ray machine.

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So we're just talking about the server and the key camera.

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Yeah, for the x-ray.

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Of course.

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All right, so we'll clarify that the stipulation that's related to checking alternative competitive alternatives for the camera and service.

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Yes.

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So that's my motion.

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That's exactly what you're looking for.

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Okay.

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Any additional?

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No, nothing.

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All in favor.

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Hi.

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Any opposed?

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Regum on that.

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Yes.

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You're there.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Weaver.

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Okay,

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item number two is a grant acceptance for pocket wet land to treat runoff at the existing

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Manchester skate park and I have a list of players here, but only one seems to want to come to the table.

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So, Gale, Engels R, Chief, your Chief of Resource Management.

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Good afternoon.

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Good afternoon.

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So I'm coming to you today to ask your approval to accept a grant from State Highway Administration Transportation Autoratives Program.

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We, Theresa and myself, who's no longer with the county, she resigned effective last Friday.

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When, before you on May 7th to be able to submit the application for the project known as the Manchester State Park Pocket Wetlands project, we were recently informed that we did receive the grant and the grant request was for $750,000 and $43,000, which is approximately 80% of the total construction cost of the pocket wetland.

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This is a facility that is located just outside of the town of Manchester along 27, where the

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skate park currently exists, or I should say existed.

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And we will be working very closely with State Highway Project of their worldwide mining

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in that area, along with our project, as well at the same time, hopefully saving some

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cost with mobilizing construction folks.

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This is a project that's located in the Double Pipe Creek Watershed and we will be treating 99 acres of untreated existing, I mean, she's the untreated drainage area.

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I do want to mention that Theresa obviously was very instrumental in us getting this grant.

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We are very much going to miss her in our office. She was able to acquire $3.7 million in her two years here at Carroll County Government.

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So we're waiting to hear regarding a couple of other grants that she was involved with making

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application for us, but she will be greatly missed, and I just want to throw that out there.

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I know we need this for NPDS and some of some other things.

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Tom, could you or Gail tell us, how many pounds of nitrogen phosphorus and sediment will

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just take out for you?

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I do have that number.

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We have 256 pounds of nitrogen, 16 pounds.

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Now this is per year, a phosphorus, and three tons per year of sediment.

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And that is a sediment, okay.

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Thank you very much.

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No problem.

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So a couple questions.

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The county town cash match.

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Is that what it says it is?

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We're matching and so is the town of Manchester or, and that leads to the second question of the town of Manchester is aware of the fact that we could get this grant.

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Yes.

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Yes. Actually, the grant approval was sent directly to the town because they are the property

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owners of the project, so they are working jointly with us. They've been involved in the

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project since we started discussing it. They will, they entered into our NPDS permit along

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with us in 2014, and this is one of the projects that was slated to be built under that NPDS

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agreement. We will be the total cost estimated engineers' cost estimate for construction

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is $950,000. The construction cost will be coming out of our CIP, which is where the towns

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contribute to the funding every year through the NPDS permit arrangement and the engineering

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cost is approximately $60,000, which will be also coming out of the CIP.

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The annual maintenance cost will be through the town. The town will be the

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There will not be a whole lot of maintenance other than milling for the first probably 25 or 30 years.

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That's what we're finding with our facilities and they average about what our rate is averaging is about $100 per milling and we do it 4 times a year.

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So I would say approximately $500 a year for milling.

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Unless they want to do it more often.

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Okay.

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Any additional questions?

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Comments.

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You need emotions of set fewer, isn't it?

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Yes, please.

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Yeah, make a motion, set except you order.

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A second.

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Okay, there's a motion in second.

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Anything additional?

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All in favor.

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Aye.

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First.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Gail.

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Just.

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I know that since it's probably under way, but I'm sure we're making some sort of strides in replacing

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Teresa, I would assume, is that correct?

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Both of you are nodding.

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Okay.

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She informed us that paperwork is downstairs, it is due to come on the board tomorrow.

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Okay.

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Find somebody exactly like her.

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I hope we do.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Item number three this afternoon.

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Briefing discussion on the highest quarry water development agreement, and we're joined

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by Tom Delvis, our director of the Land and Resource Management.

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And I'm working, how are you?

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Good, how are you?

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I'm fine sir.

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He was also in that department, so that's correct.

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Shalom is our hydrogeologist, and he's been very integral in this project up to this point.

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Doing a lot of field work, a lot of coordination with the city of Western Australia.

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So, I'm going to see Shalom's face, because he's just a big part of where we're at, to this point.

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Just as a reminder, we've been working on the high-score project with the city of coordinate with the city of Western Australia.

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for about two years now as far as testing the facility, actually pumping and seeing how much water

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can actually be produced from that facility. And that facility was acquired by the County

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Commission in 2007. It's about 68, or property. It has an eight acre abandoned water fill

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cori on it. Again, it was tested in late 2014 by the city. We worked very closely with them.

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They actually incurred the costs of the testing.

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It involved, you know, actually putting a pump in the quarry and withdrawing water at a certain rate.

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And what we actually did is we pulled the water down to a certain level in the quarry and then just left the go and maintained it at that level.

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So it's what we call a constant level test for what we do for the worst supply and the government guys.

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Since that time, there's been work on analyzing the numbers, taking a look at crunching and figuring out exactly what we have there.

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Because this is a little bit of a different type of facility in that it's a water-filled surface

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water body, but it acts like a well if you go out there and you think about it, it's just a

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big well.

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So what we've done is we've had discussions with the Maryland Department of Environment about

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how actually that could be utilized and those discussions are actually still ongoing.

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The reason that we're here today is that originally the agreement that the county and the

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entered into back in 2008, was that if the licensee, who was the city at that time, finds

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suitable source of water that a further desire to develop, and the county and the licensee

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shall negotiate the perfect document for future water use. So the agreement we have with the

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city was specifically just for this part that we've done the last two years the testing phase

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of to evaluate it, and it's feasibility for water supply development. So we're here today

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to discuss with you and you for you all to give us direction as to the next step.

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The next step being, we would like to have your permission to enter into negotiations with the city for a new agreement which will allow us to move to the next step which would be actually planning for it to be used as a word of supply.

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And actually entering into those discussions ourselves and now environment to actually utilize that resource.

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Because at this point in time, we just done the testing.

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There's nothing firm in stone as to how much water supply you could derive from there.

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And that really is not in there until you enter some very serious discussions with the wrong partner environment

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and the permit process ultimately.

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Do we have any guest limits at this point in time as to water volumes, gallons per day?

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Yeah, we do have some preliminary estimates.

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It's basically a range somewhere between 560,000 gallons a day.

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forward to around 720,000 gallons a day.

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So the range is a bit of a how much will be allowed to drill out of there?

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The Coingin Jim Allen Department of Environment.

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Because my guess is 720,000 gallons a day is actually what it can produce but we might not

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be able to pull that out.

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Would that be correct?

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Yes, I would say that that's correct.

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Nothing actually is until you acquired a permit really.

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Right.

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I understand.

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But the range is actually based on how they're going to let us utilize that resource.

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whether it's strictly pumping out of there, or whether it's taking some water from the stream,

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or both, or augmenting the water in the core.

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It was streamed more.

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There's a lot of different scenarios that can be developed here with this resource.

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Which makes it streamed more flexible than traditional resources I mean.

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Just purely a reservoir, just purely a well.

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And so how that actually will happen has to be worked out in real far from the environment.

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But the numbers that Sean gave you were that range that we feel, you know,

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that was treated like this would be at the lower end

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and if it was treated like this, it would be up on it.

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That's correct.

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So the agreement that we're looking to enter with the city

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of Westminster is how we're going to split the order

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that may be coming out of this for a nation's of it,

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or what we'd like to move forward with.

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And again, this would not be a final determination.

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We would be back before you or in discussions with you.

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And we'd like to begin those discussions

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to the assumptions that I'd like to move forward with from today would be, first that the county

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would be interested in an allocation reserve based on the amount of order that's produced.

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And again, until you know roughly what the appropriation may be or what we may be or to acquire,

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that number may not be able to set the stone and meet initially.

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So the first thing would be that the county would be interested in some type of allocation

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from the city's water system, and I may have jumped ahead a little bit too much, but if you

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look here at the quarry and it's the same to the city, really the only public water system that's

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available in close proximity and probably as far as actors economically would be the city of

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Westminster. And what's showing you here, you can see the outline and blue of the city of Westminster

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in red, you can see the hides quarry location, and then over on the far right, you can see the

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case for utilizationists were would be to get the water from the quarry location to that

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water line because treating it probably on site and then distributing it would not be

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an economical reasonable thing to do. So the idea would be most likely to get it to that existing

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water line that existing water line goes to the cranberry reservoir that the city has and then

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goes to their surface water treatment facility. So the most likely scenario is somehow getting it

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there in the city of Westminster wants to pursue that's correct at this time into yes.

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So again, by incorporating this into the city system, you know, what would the county look

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in return, I guess?

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And again, the first assumption would be that I would think that we would want to look at

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some type of allocation reservation.

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It might not be directly this water, but some type of allocation of water from their system

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because we would be adding water to their system from high.

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That's the first assumption.

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we would be reserving it for if there's no treatment but we would be reserving it for future

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use commissioner could be based on commercial industrial opportunities that the county may

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see or have if it was reserving an allocation the right to take future filter water out of

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their treated water out of their plant and move it somewhere else that's correct that's absolutely

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great the second assumption would be that the county would retain ownership of the quarry

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property that we would not you know relinquish that and again that's an assumption I'm

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making right now something that we would be looking at direction from you all on because

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I think those are the two overriding issues unless there's something else that you all

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see and there could be something else in our discussions but those are two initial assumptions

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that I think we would need to move forward who's going to build the pipeline from the

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to exist in order to lie.

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Our thoughts are, and then these would be in this

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cultural city, that that would be part of their system,

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that they would utilize that resource,

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so it would be their infrastructure that would withdraw

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the water and take it to their system.

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So, again, what we're here is to start those initial discussions, no final decisions, obviously, that you allow county staff, it would be most like yourselves in the county attorney, initially start discussions with the city as to moving forward with the new agreement. Obviously, you all would have to prove any agreement as final stage. But we really need that for both our states, for the city and the county's sake to move forward, we feel. Because there has to be an expectation moving from this point on, what we're going to do is

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But we all want that at the end product here.

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So, and I apologize, Tom.

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I just...

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You've ever had the question to be.

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You want us to...

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You want the candidate to retain control of the query itself.

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So that is my assumption, sir.

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All right. So we would do...

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We would retain it.

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So it's just to me that what we need to do is

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off the rise you

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analyze this.

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That meaning number one,

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estimating the total capital cost to the county.

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The total ongoing operating and maintenance cost of the county

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making this water available from the quarry if funny. Any county cross associated with transporting

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or pumping the water to Westminster if funny. And once you have those figures then getting

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feedback from Westminster to how much they can use. There's not going to worry about more than

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you can use.

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I'm reading.

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And then, and then calculate.

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And then, and then, and then, and then, for the figure out what a, what a reasonable

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amortization.

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And the reason why amortized costs would be on a per-1000 gallon basis or whatever, so that it's

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competitive with what Westminster would expect to pay.

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We want to be paid back as much as we can.

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We don't want to price it so high that it doesn't work for Westminster either, though.

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I mean, you know, we're not, we're not running a profit.

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But we have, but in the other hand if we could make, if the potentials that are

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make a small profit on it, that we could use to offset other development costs or future

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development costs, that might not be a bad thing, and then based on what Westminster

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needs we can begin to ask, you'll take a recommendation of staff as how much we should

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reserve.

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You have to measure a phrase or I'll tell you not to say so.

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I do.

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I can have to answer.

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Very perceptive today.

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From what you said earlier, if the city was mentioned, it's going to provide the pipeline

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to go from the quarry to there exists the existing water line and the infrastructure

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and the pumping to know that will be money that they're going to lay out, so as we won't put

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any money on offer that, correct?

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That is our assumption as of right now.

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That is what we would like to enter into discussions with them, is that we would not be the

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owner operator of the infrastructure to pump and deliver the water they would be.

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So right, there are resources to utilize, because then they're getting such a percentage

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whatever we determine out of this order for their use.

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That's kind of like their capital outlay into this so that they can use part of the order

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that's coming out of this.

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That's correct.

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And what we would get, we would get, we would be a utilization of a certain amount of water

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allocation based on that that's produced by the quarry.

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I also know that this particular body of water has been utilized in the past and maybe it is again

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With the undersea outfitter folks the scuba diving folks. That's crap. I want to assume that we would good

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Again, there's another assumption

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Sometimes that can get you in a little bit of

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jam but

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I assume that we would

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attempt to continue to have

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That utilization occur there, that facility, or why are we with that time?

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Has any, or have we even thought about it?

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Oh yes, believe me, we've thought about it.

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I'm sure you have.

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Believe me.

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There's several ways that could go.

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Obviously, if we wanted to make that part of the negotiations with the city,

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we could put something in there that they could continue to have use of it,

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although if that is to take place, there has to be certain modifications

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to the core that have to be made to accommodate that.

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In other words, there has to be some way of when you put the infrastructure into pump that

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isolate that area from any diver's and all, because you can't have diver's in or

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around that intake pump that's pumping hundreds of gallons, and that's probably not a good idea.

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In other words, I just keep them pumping.

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So that should have the other thing that I read here saying, you know.

459
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:37,600
The other item, because I'm going to put this on a table that the scuba operations are not allowed

460
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,380
to continue there because of the use of the water supply.

461
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,420
I think those are items that we would want that to have a discussion with the city

462
00:34:45,420 --> 00:34:45,820
about.

463
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:52,020
Specifically, we've had cursory discussions, and I don't really want to maybe go into it right

464
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:54,160
now, but I think it could go either way with them.

465
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:59,240
Just as long as it's still on the radar, that was my point, and yes, and bringing it up.

466
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,840
I'd like to move that we allow the staff to start to begin discussions with the city of

467
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,180
Minister about the hives, why water allocations?

468
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,780
Can we just direct you to do that?

469
00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:20,860
Do we need a motion to refer to that?

470
00:35:21,460 --> 00:35:26,540
Well, you also know one of the notions that you've made here that we're agreeing with

471
00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:29,840
those assumptions that we want to maintain, use a hives quarry.

472
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,080
Now, we want a percentage of our gallons, how we want to put it.

473
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Allocation for us.

474
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,240
That's correct.

475
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,160
That's set aside.

476
00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:47,220
And I, my opinion, I think we should retain the high-square property and I think we should

477
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:51,780
look at some allocation set aside for the county use.

478
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,780
Now what that happens to be is, I guess, to give a take between us in the city.

479
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:07,840
And we certainly, I think, would look at what our future need to be based on master planning and the amount of

480
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,300
I mean, there's various ways that we could do that.

481
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,580
And again, before anything would be finalized,

482
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:15,480
we would be back before you just say,

483
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,640
this is what's developed for your probably more direction.

484
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,340
I'm not even saying, you know, the final approval.

485
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,280
We might come back to you for a more direction.

486
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,020
Other results in these conversations.

487
00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:26,940
But at least you begin discussion.

488
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,760
That's correct.

489
00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:28,960
Start important.

490
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,400
And if I could, Commissioner, could we,

491
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,480
did you understand or did we answer your comment,

492
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,180
related to the piping and all. I mean, my thoughts are that they would own an operate the system.

493
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,980
We don't want to, I don't believe we want to be in a public order for a very spot here with this,

494
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:55,400
you know, the loan system. So them, them being the city would be the owner and operator of that.

495
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,440
And they would utilize that resource. The only role we would be playing in is landowner and a

496
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,920
of an allocation at the very end of the day.

497
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:09,060
Well, I agree, and let me explain why I agree, because we don't have all of the pieces

498
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:13,760
of the pie. If we had the water treatment plan, then we might want to retain control of

499
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,500
the pumping and transport and the planet itself, so that we have control of the complete

500
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:22,740
supply chain. We're given that we are dependent on them. I've done many benefit to us

501
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:27,800
of only only half the supply chain. So yes, it's all going to become part of the negotiation.

502
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,880
If they're going to provide more in terms of a capital fit up, then they're costs for the winner will have to be lower.

503
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,860
And vice versa if we go the other way.

504
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,320
So I'm going with that time.

505
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,420
Okay, thank you sir.

506
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,420
What's your best guess, Tom?

507
00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:46,980
How long these negotiations would be?

508
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:48,420
Oh, I would.

509
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,800
I hope that we're back before you,

510
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:55,880
with hopefully a final product not that we won't be before you with some

511
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,580
intermediate or final product for the summer. I mean my thoughts are through

512
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:02,520
the spring and we can get something worked out because we want to get with

513
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,020
MBE and have some, you know, sprouts series discussions but until I think we

514
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:10,380
have some agreement here with the State and Accounting, I don't want to go too far

515
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:17,900
with MBE on those. Let me bring up one or two other issues, we have to, it's always

516
00:38:17,900 --> 00:38:20,140
This is stuff you don't think about between the problems.

517
00:38:20,220 --> 00:38:24,820
So let me talk about a few things that we should think about.

518
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,520
We don't know what this is about.

519
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:29,080
Number one, you know, look at the mess

520
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,920
where in the liberty, the liberty reservoir.

521
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,900
I mean, you know, the water's going about the most city.

522
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,900
Maybe we should consider saying, look, if the Westminster's

523
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,480
putting up a supply chain, we're going to lease this water supply

524
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560
them for 30 years or 40 years.

525
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,140
I don't know, maybe a thousand, I don't know, but I think it should

526
00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:52,300
in the form of finite term agreement. So something changes 50 years from now that we don't anticipate

527
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:56,720
or 40 years. And we have a way we have a way to change our mind. We all wish that we could

528
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:02,500
recapture the order that's going to fall from the city. The liberty, right? So I would suggest

529
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:09,420
we think about doing it as some kind of a lease, long-term lease, and then the two other questions

530
00:39:09,420 --> 00:39:16,340
come up. Suppose there's an environmental problem that develops 20 years from now, and the

531
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:22,200
responsibility of dealing with it, whether it be environmental regulations, whether it be a

532
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:28,220
pollution problem, who will be responsible for dealing with it, if it has to be fixed?

533
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:33,180
I think we should try to anticipate what would happen in the scenario where we get a phone call

534
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:37,220
from somebody who says, hey, it was polluted by underground storage tanks leaking somewhere.

535
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:43,720
Who wants us or that? I think we should try to put some language in there with respect to that.

536
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:48,720
And it might be as simple as it'll be paid for and proportion to the amount of water we

537
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,640
draw or something like that, but I think we should try to address that.

538
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:53,440
That's understood, sir.

539
00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:54,680
And I agree with you.

540
00:39:54,740 --> 00:39:55,240
A hundred percent.

541
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,760
That will be considered in this agreement.

542
00:39:57,380 --> 00:39:59,660
And if we can keep Kitesquare for dive, precisely.

543
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:05,160
I certainly would like to see it remain that way because I think it has actually become a

544
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:05,680
another.

545
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,220
We don't have any major doors.

546
00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:08,840
If actually we got lots of small ones.

547
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,780
Could draw more businesses at the count.

548
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:15,740
Very good.

549
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:29,600
I guess that was my line of thinking with the divers too, I mean, that would be like a destination if you will, which I think we critically need here to bring people in.

550
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:36,220
So that's got ramifications on all kinds of sides, the tourism side and the economic

551
00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:40,840
development side, and you keep on keeping on with that, right?

552
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:50,060
But I think as you look at this, we really need to consider that as a factor too tonight.

553
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:59,580
One issue with that is that concerns me the most is the whole issue that Commissioner

554
00:40:59,580 --> 00:41:05,960
of issue happening, which I'm not saying it will, but that's associated with an operation

555
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,260
that we allowed that to take place there.

556
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,980
And then how does that, you know, you know, the responsibility to go along with that, absolutely.

557
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,140
So that, I think that really has to be considered, because we just keep in mind, a water supply,

558
00:41:18,340 --> 00:41:21,280
I mean, you've heard some of the things going on in the country now, if we're surprised

559
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,560
and how vulnerable they can be, and the other issue is, I always look at a water supply

560
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,280
to develop something like this, it's forever.

561
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:30,500
You know, let's be finding another source or something, it's forever.

562
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,640
So, you know, well, a reservoir or whatever.

563
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,200
So, I think we're Jeff, to think about it, is okay.

564
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:42,200
We'd like to do a lot of things, but we can't afford for this source to disappear,

565
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:46,360
whether it be by contamination or lack of, you know, what are being it.

566
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,400
So, there's just types of things I try to consider when we're concerned with things is,

567
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:53,500
this is a forever type of thing, unless we find another source, right?

568
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,920
You know, we have to kind of put everything in perspective here.

569
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:03,360
I agree with that, but I'm going to be careful, we don't put on a model that's a glass.

570
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,960
It's first off, you have a west of places like the White Mead Lake Powell.

571
00:42:07,340 --> 00:42:08,860
Those are the reservoirs.

572
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:15,780
They have power boating and water skiing and boats in those, in number two, the presence

573
00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:22,860
of divers may serve a positive purpose, especially if divers, if somebody does throw something

574
00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:26,060
when they might see something, second, the fact that they're there,

575
00:42:26,580 --> 00:42:32,340
reduced the luck of a deserted quarry being a target for Mr.

576
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:35,840
You know, if you want to see, I have to handle this.

577
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,360
I've been thinking for five seconds.

578
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:38,280
I've been thinking about the vandalized.

579
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:38,620
Right.

580
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,460
And I would entertain, basically, on the comments that you've heard about that,

581
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,700
that it would probably be in the best interest to have someone

582
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,360
to provide some additional information as we're talking about.

583
00:42:52,360 --> 00:43:00,160
that particular aspect, someone either in the industry or what have you to provide, not that I wanted

584
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:07,100
to lay this anymore than what it is, but maybe it's important to get that person involved in some sort

585
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:13,980
of dialogue as to get to maybe to the specific answers of the things that we have just brought up.

586
00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:19,260
Just for that particular aspect, and maybe that we're back before you within a meeting agreement,

587
00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:23,280
address is just this issue and the future that's very possible and I just follow

588
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,780
a commission. I just wish for our jobs. I just want to indicate, I hear you're

589
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:31,640
loud and clear about the lakes out west and I use the Merbat. But keep in mind this

590
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,120
is an eight acre pool water. It's very small. The travel, the travel economy, between

591
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,080
something being introduced in this water and the tonic, we'll hit that intake

592
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,940
is very, very short. So, while, you know, a lot of big lakes, there is that

593
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:50,420
situation, possibility, and all where things can be not only diluted, but take time to get.

594
00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:54,480
This would be very, very short time, as far as that happens.

595
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:58,900
So that's the one reason I'm concerned, but that's not to say that something can't be

596
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:02,320
worked out, and we will have those discussions with the city, and I think we'll be back

597
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,400
before you with that.

598
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,580
And what that will be one of the specific items we probably will be back to discussion with you.

599
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:07,520
Okay.

600
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:14,380
One of this one question, are we looking to, since we have the property and the city west

601
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:17,700
ministry is going to build the infrastructure so it can be treated?

602
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:20,680
Are we looking to charge the city west minister for water?

603
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:26,260
Are we just looking to, this is our money we put up basically is money to pay for the property.

604
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:30,460
The money they put up was the money to pay for the infrastructure, and then we just allocate

605
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:31,100
the water.

606
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:38,420
What are we looking at just like spending the water percentage wise or are we looking at charge him for a thousand gallons or something that sort?

607
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,920
There was not our intent to do that to charge.

608
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,240
I didn't think I learned that it was to basically say,

609
00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:46,360
We purchased the property.

610
00:44:47,340 --> 00:44:49,680
They paid for infrastructure to deliver water.

611
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,100
What we get out of it is an allocation from their system to utilize.

612
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:59,980
in either way, but you can also develop them in some manner.

613
00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:09,810
Okay. Okay. So I think you've got a clear direction and I didn't want to step on your toes, commissioner.

614
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:21,690
But I don't think that we need a motion. I think you faith mainly at this point, yes, to get you direction and I think you've seen that and we've tried not to muddy the waters.

615
00:45:28,030 --> 00:45:33,030
Thank you, thank you. Thanks for your work to appreciate it. Thanks.

616
00:45:36,330 --> 00:45:36,330
Okay.

617
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:43,670
I'm only five minutes behind. It's amazing. Amazing.

618
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:53,870
The last item, well, the last agenda item this afternoon for us is the discussion and the

619
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:54,410
sit.

620
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:57,830
But the discussion only, there's no decision at this point.

621
00:45:58,170 --> 00:46:00,570
This is merely a discussion today.

622
00:46:00,690 --> 00:46:04,820
I want to make that clear about a request approval to proceed to public hearing.

623
00:46:05,330 --> 00:46:13,650
I propose amendments to chapter 34 of the Ethics, which is the Ethics, which is a

624
00:46:13,650 --> 00:46:16,030
on that Roberta.

625
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:18,050
Mr. Ferrellan would like to make a public loan.

626
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,940
So I'm going to tell you anybody who's told me.

627
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:27,680
$10 a roll?

628
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:28,640
Yes, but it's delivered.

629
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:31,820
Okay, so is that one or two ply?

630
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:34,320
Because we'll give you two more.

631
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,360
Good afternoon, folks.

632
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:45,020
What is being considered here?

633
00:46:45,020 --> 00:46:47,260
And this is part of the much larger issue.

634
00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:50,320
I'm going to read to you from an old-tired document that you all

635
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,180
swore to uphold, it's called the US Constitutional.

636
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,660
And it says, in amendment 1, Congress shall make no law respecting

637
00:46:57,660 --> 00:47:01,060
an establishment of religion, but prohibiting the free exercise

638
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:06,220
thereof or bridging the freedom of speech or of the press,

639
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,580
get this one, or of the right of the people,

640
00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:14,940
will piece a way to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

641
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:22,340
Now we go over to the Maryland Constitution, and I quote from the Declaration of Rights.

642
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,600
This is article 40.

643
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:30,220
It says that the liberty of the press ought to be invariably preserved that every citizen

644
00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:36,880
of the state ought to be allowed to speak, write, and publishes sentiments on all subjects.

645
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,900
get that all subjects. Then we have an article of 44, so is that the provisions of the

646
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:51,640
Constitution of the United States and the Vistate apply as well in time of war, as

647
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:58,720
in time of peace, and in the departure of their firm or violation thereof. Under the

648
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:04,800
plea of necessity, or any other plea, is a subversive of good government and tends to

649
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:12,880
energy and despotism. Now I didn't make this stuff up. You folks all took an oath to

650
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:19,180
uphold these documents and you can get these anywhere you like. But here is my my position.

651
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:28,720
This board enacted a provision that does not allow us to speak of ethics. Well, ethics

652
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:37,900
are there to control baser instincts, and sometimes we forget that just because we think

653
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:39,400
a certain way that it's ethical.

654
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,300
Well, that isn't always the case.

655
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:51,140
And the citizens, I think, should be able to speak of such matters at all times in all places.

656
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,100
And there's a couple of pieces of case law that have been to Supreme Court.

657
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,160
We may have to visit that sooner or later, I hope not.

658
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:05,500
But I think that the ethics hearings certainly cannot limit my right of free speech or

659
00:49:05,500 --> 00:49:06,340
any other citizen.

660
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,600
More importantly, the more transparency we have the better.

661
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:16,420
I think that these hearings with ethics commission should not be a came to root court.

662
00:49:16,420 --> 00:49:19,440
I think the public should have access to it.

663
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:26,780
And I think the public needs to know exactly that which transpires and the idea that

664
00:49:26,780 --> 00:49:31,100
administrator being to throw out and he charged to somebody's spoke.

665
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,580
This is reminiscent of Stalin or Hitler.

666
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:36,580
This is crazy.

667
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:38,160
Thank you.

668
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:40,210
Thank you.

669
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:46,940
I often don't give you a compliment, but impeccable timing on your part.

670
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,360
You were right to, did you rehearse that or not?

671
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,460
You were right to the three men.

672
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:54,300
All the boys, they don't think it's got the whole time to go.

673
00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:56,540
Thank you.

674
00:49:56,780 --> 00:49:56,820
Thank you.

675
00:49:56,820 --> 00:50:00,960
Look at the records show that he was holding up a copy of the Constitution Ladies and gentlemen.

676
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,120
Hi, Mr. Burke.

677
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,940
Good afternoon, commissioners.

678
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,120
I'm here today to introduce a possible amendment to our ethics ordinance.

679
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,620
Your job today is to decide whether you wish to proceed to a public hearing,

680
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:21,440
or wish to not proceed with it at all.

681
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:24,540
you're deciding whether or not to send it to the public hearing.

682
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:27,800
So you have your lawyer today talking to you about ethics.

683
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:30,720
And I'm going to pause for a moment and allow you to make your jokes.

684
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:32,620
And then we'll proceed.

685
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:34,800
There are just a circle about how you can tell.

686
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,140
I can tell on lawyers a lie.

687
00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:38,740
That's a good one.

688
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:39,780
I only want new jokes.

689
00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:42,380
Yeah, but that one still applies.

690
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:43,380
That's the problem.

691
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:48,820
Commission of your ethics ordinance currently provides that all

692
00:50:48,820 --> 00:50:51,140
Ethics and Plane procedures are to be confidential.

693
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:54,320
That's in your code, section 3, dash 4, 13.

694
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,860
Ethics, Commission and staff, the complaint and the subject of the complaint may not disclose

695
00:50:59,860 --> 00:51:04,640
any information relating to the complaint, including the identity of the complaint and

696
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,660
or the subject.

697
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:12,060
Now, this is almost identical to the state ethics law, which is found in the state code

698
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:19,860
5407 that provides, again, for a confidentiality with the ethics process for state employees

699
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:25,400
and state officials. It provides that those proceedings are to be confidential and that information

700
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:30,180
relating to the complaint, including the identity of the complaint or the subject of the complaint,

701
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:34,580
may not be disclosed by the complaint. By anybody, including the complaint.

702
00:51:37,060 --> 00:51:39,540
Again, that the process

703
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:43,320
This is confidential until the very end. If there's a violation found, then everything

704
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:49,080
is on the table. Everything is disclosed. The entire process becomes completely transparent

705
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:54,560
at that point. Now, what has been proposed at the request of one of the commissioners,

706
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,100
as to, I'm

707
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,340
sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

708
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,800
What's been proposed is to give the ethics administrator

709
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:17,940
or the ethics commissions, the discretion to dismiss a complaint when a complaint violates the

710
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:23,560
confidentiality process in the ethics ordinance, for example, by disclosing the contents

711
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:24,180
of a complaint.

712
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:31,520
Right now, unless you're an employee or an official of county government, frankly, the disclosure

713
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:38,420
of confidential information during the ethics process has no consequences that we can't

714
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:44,260
not we, the Ethics Commission can't go after private citizens in any way, shape or form.

715
00:52:45,660 --> 00:52:50,140
So what's being proposed is giving the Ethics Administrator or the Ethics Commission

716
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:55,300
to discretion to dismiss a complaint, where there's a violation of the confidentiality

717
00:52:55,300 --> 00:52:56,440
provisions by the complaint.

718
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,540
How do you say the state handles this?

719
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,820
Yes, they have an ethics thing brought up before them, and then it's put out publicly.

720
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:06,800
What do they do?

721
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,100
They have the same provision that we have. It says that the process is confidential until the

722
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:16,700
conclusion, and only if the conclusion is the, as a violation found.

723
00:53:17,380 --> 00:53:24,700
I would have, during the process, the, whatever complaint is brought out to the TV stations or something.

724
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:29,460
There is, there's no provision, no remedy at that, and that either.

725
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:37,120
Presently, if that confidentiality is broken by anyone there, can the ethics commission

726
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:40,840
do anything with it or can you dismiss the case?

727
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,340
Presently?

728
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:45,620
There's no provision that allows them to do that, President Lee.

729
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:52,600
Just for a jocularity, you would be suggest that the state would ever pass any law that is in constitute.

730
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:03,200
That Mr. Colonel brings up some good points to how county government or the federal government

731
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,420
are not allowed to punish people's first amendment rights.

732
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:12,720
If there have been some ethics codes and some judicial ethics codes that have been struck

733
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:18,460
down by the courts under the first amendment, because they provided for either civil penalties

734
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:23,780
or criminal penalties against people who disclose confidential information. That's a violation

735
00:54:23,780 --> 00:54:29,880
of their free speech rights and a punishment to a fire restraint. What's being proposed does

736
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:34,780
not do that? It doesn't impose any penalties on the complaint or the disclosure disclosure.

737
00:54:36,100 --> 00:54:39,920
Their free speech rights are not infringed upon. They're free to stand on the street court

738
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,840
and call you crooks on a unethical or whatever. There's nothing the county can do to prevent

739
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:51,300
that it does give the ethics commission the discretion if that occurs to dismiss to complain

740
00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:57,660
on those grounds. So they have good now. They don't really have it.

741
00:54:57,660 --> 00:54:59,860
They don't really have it. They don't really have it. They don't really have it.

742
00:55:00,820 --> 00:55:05,880
Let's go back to his issue of penalties. So right now the Supreme Court, you said, as I will

743
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,940
instruct down, the officials are in a decision to impose penalties, civil or criminal

744
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:11,920
penalties and someone to greek them for motion.

745
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,540
Yeah, complaints, or even the press, for example.

746
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:27,830
The next slide, this question would be if an ethics process were halted and thrown out

747
00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:31,150
because someone decided to go to the press because they think the Commissioner John

748
00:55:31,150 --> 00:55:33,930
Doe was keeping paper custody to come.

749
00:55:34,690 --> 00:55:46,370
Isn't that denying that citizen the right to avail himself of government processes to

750
00:55:46,370 --> 00:55:50,890
redress agreements in the event he exercises his first amendment rights is in that

751
00:55:50,890 --> 00:55:52,930
form of a civil of a penalty?

752
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:59,470
I mean you can't have the privilege of driving your car unless you promise not to talk

753
00:55:59,470 --> 00:56:02,330
about you are

754
00:56:05,530 --> 00:56:10,510
you are hearing for live in the radical it's a privilege it's not a right

755
00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:16,550
the courts have room well you also have rights as citizens who are serving government not

756
00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:24,210
to not have this information disclosed until there's a final resolution but against you

757
00:56:24,210 --> 00:56:29,330
I think that's the difference between that and the prime now somebody chooses not to use the

758
00:56:29,330 --> 00:56:36,610
of the district court, and falls a complaint against the commissioner and says, I believe

759
00:56:36,610 --> 00:56:39,010
the John Doe is stealing paper clips.

760
00:56:40,090 --> 00:56:41,150
That's a public document.

761
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:46,310
What the criminal charges are processed, there's absolutely no protections, right, and

762
00:56:46,310 --> 00:56:46,930
the defendant.

763
00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:53,070
But the defendant could still, if the charges were prevalence in some cases.

764
00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:56,090
It's up cases, yeah.

765
00:56:56,090 --> 00:56:59,890
But if you file a document over a district court or a circuit court, that's a public document.

766
00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:07,840
Now, another, we see another phone call from someone who has some concerns about

767
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:14,520
the possibility of opening the process for Mr. So Commissioner Jondo gets charged with taking

768
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:23,130
paper clips and he knows he's guilty. So he leads it to his brother-in-law, who leads

769
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:28,830
it to his employee, who leads it to his sister-in-law, who leads it to his friend to work

770
00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:33,350
for the newspaper, and the next thing you know, which shows up in this paper, the Commissioner

771
00:57:33,350 --> 00:57:43,010
John Del, which stealing paper clips, and there was an ethics complaint, and he indirectly,

772
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:46,770
manufactured a way to get himself out from under it.

773
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:49,350
By linking it indirectly, indirectly, indirectly, indirectly, indirectly.

774
00:57:51,550 --> 00:57:58,290
And there's no way to tell him, how do you protect this process from having the defendant

775
00:57:58,290 --> 00:57:59,230
Is that the right word?

776
00:57:59,450 --> 00:58:00,050
You're not the defendant.

777
00:58:00,090 --> 00:58:01,790
What would you call the person who's accused?

778
00:58:02,570 --> 00:58:02,930
I complain.

779
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:04,930
They call him respond.

780
00:58:05,090 --> 00:58:05,650
It's a surprise.

781
00:58:06,190 --> 00:58:07,170
So what's the stop?

782
00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:15,250
I responded from being very clever and manipulative and linking the stop indirect through a series of other people so eventually gets to the press.

783
00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:18,570
In order to have his own, the complaints thrown out against himself.

784
00:58:19,810 --> 00:58:23,970
Well, you'd have to show that the complaint did the leak, did the leaking, did the disclosure.

785
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:30,790
So you'd have to find someone his brother-law to file an ethics of play and then wave the ethics

786
00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:35,050
of play around and say when what I just did when it comes up through five or six, a chain of

787
00:58:35,050 --> 00:58:41,430
five or six people and the next thing you know, the corporate history of how it got out there

788
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:48,110
becomes invisible. So the ethics of commission can't determine exactly who they did, but it's clearly

789
00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:53,410
out there that John Doe was charged with taking paper clips. So does it get dismissed or does it

790
00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:56,050
I can't clearly trace it back to the respondent.

791
00:58:56,370 --> 00:58:59,510
Well, it was a third of the questions that I did to determine that if they can't

792
00:58:59,510 --> 00:59:02,950
close, I'll find out who put it out through the press.

793
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:06,650
My guess is they would dismiss it, just to guess.

794
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:14,830
But the other side is when someone makes an ethics complaint and then runs to the care

795
00:59:14,830 --> 00:59:19,470
of any times or runs to the radio station or a new station and says, I did this, it's

796
00:59:19,470 --> 00:59:20,650
what I did.

797
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:22,150
There's a doubt about what happened.

798
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:26,870
So one of the things that I'm wondering about, and again, this is a sort of phone call, so

799
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:33,450
so many of the things that lead to affix complaints are not issues which develop in the sphere

800
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:39,310
of a sphere of a single person, these are things that develop in the sphere of public opinion.

801
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:45,470
Half a dozen people are having dinner one night talking about Commissioner John Doe, and whether

802
00:59:45,470 --> 00:59:50,130
or not John Doe misuse the power of his office, and then one of them says, well, I'll file.

803
00:59:51,450 --> 00:59:54,030
The other five know about it at that point.

804
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:58,920
One of them who didn't file weeks is the revelation.

805
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:19,240
Is the ethics complain, public document? No. No. What's the matter? Until the process is completed and there's a finding against a responded or a subject, it's confidential. Nothing should ever be disclosed on this.

806
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:27,760
The way your code is written and the way the state law is written and the way the most codes are written, they have a confidentiality provision in there.

807
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,800
So, Compton and Gelty is the population both parties at this point, right?

808
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:33,540
Yes.

809
01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:34,380
Yes, right.

810
01:00:34,860 --> 01:00:35,080
I'm sorry.

811
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,740
The third of the do-so on one point has no consequences.

812
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,400
On other point, actually, it actually has no consequences, correct?

813
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:43,720
It depends on who you are.

814
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:47,560
If you're a county employee, and you do something that you do something that then,

815
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,400
yeah, the Athens Commission can't, at least,

816
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:56,180
bring you with front of the, for questioning or, or if you're a county official,

817
01:00:56,180 --> 01:01:02,900
I'll do that. This would do more of the ethics commissions called correct or necessary.

818
01:01:03,220 --> 01:01:07,380
It's all the ethics commissions called. It's a wish and hearing from them.

819
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,980
Yeah, you may want to hear from them.

820
01:01:11,420 --> 01:01:22,560
Two is there another outside the realm of ethics. Is there anything else like this where confidentiality is supposed to be something that's provided as part of a legal process?

821
01:01:23,380 --> 01:01:29,400
And so then we can look to you to say, OK, well, here's a different kind of legal pursuit.

822
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,540
But if it was disclosed, this is how it would be handled.

823
01:01:32,900 --> 01:01:36,800
You know, you know, you know, asking these things come up in the, like,

824
01:01:37,060 --> 01:01:41,100
judicial disciplinary proceedings, the judicial ethics proceedings.

825
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,160
There's a complaint against judges, things like that.

826
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:46,280
That would be one example.

827
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:47,760
So how do they handle it?

828
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:50,440
I mean, what are the, if someone discloses, what do they do?

829
01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:54,780
That would be good to look at.

830
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:56,420
I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm trying to be on the spot,

831
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,580
but I'm just thinking, you know, this can't be the only

832
01:01:58,580 --> 01:02:02,540
time when confidentiality's been at issue in terms

833
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,740
of a protective aspect, but confidentiality, you know,

834
01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:12,460
I can sign a confidentiality to, you know,

835
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,560
I'm going to buy Commissioner Rothschild's business,

836
01:02:14,580 --> 01:02:16,160
and he has to be signed a non-disclosure,

837
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:26,660
But I might be having Commissioner Frazier participated in that and you know, I mean like at least not everything is one person's a one person sometimes things form collaboratively

838
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:35,060
And something gets out, but there needs to be some I'm thinking there's other examples of maybe where

839
01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:43,900
This type of issues, but it drives not not on the merits of ethics itself, but from the standpoint of just process

840
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:46,900
Well, yes, that's exactly right.

841
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:48,860
And I going back inside of the sphere,

842
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:50,640
but sometimes when complaints are filed,

843
01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:55,320
they develop collectively by groups of people

844
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,280
and one or two might actually fire.

845
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,640
I mean, let's say, three of us were charged

846
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,520
with some kind of open meetings violation.

847
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,860
That's where we all met with a business.

848
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:06,600
And for whatever kind of accountability

849
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,100
somebody thinks we, and they trace the pursuit

850
01:03:09,100 --> 01:03:10,340
as an ethics violation.

851
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:17,420
And people were talking about it in the public, and there were 20 people talking about it,

852
01:03:17,580 --> 01:03:18,360
but only 25.

853
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,520
And one of the other 18 leaks up.

854
01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:24,760
You see, there's two different issues here.

855
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:25,860
There's two or three different issues.

856
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,660
One issue, of course, is this reconstitutionality.

857
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:30,980
Can't send or to a citizen if possible.

858
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,460
I wouldn't dismiss your complaint that gets out to the press,

859
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,120
because that essentially deprived them of their first amendment rights.

860
01:03:37,860 --> 01:03:39,200
The second question that comes up here is,

861
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,040
is opening up the system for mission. My favorite, my favorite elected official is John

862
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:51,620
Doe. And I find out that John Doe is under whatever means I find out that he's a subject

863
01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:57,440
of an ethics investigation. So a bunch of my friends somehow link it to the press. They're

864
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:04,620
by trying to get the charges dismissed. I've just tried to anticipate that law will

865
01:04:04,620 --> 01:04:06,000
the consequences of this.

866
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:12,320
Well, how would you find out if you follow the rules of the Ethics Commission, you wouldn't

867
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,080
find out that your favorite politician is under has a complaint?

868
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:20,280
I can give you an example of how can five people are sitting on a dinner table and you say

869
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:20,920
what they have to give you.

870
01:04:21,340 --> 01:04:22,360
Now, I understand what you're saying.

871
01:04:22,580 --> 01:04:25,680
Well, some of them are like mine, but one of them is, one of them is actually a friend

872
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,720
of John to the other 400 ponies, so the four of them are ponies, one of them files,

873
01:04:34,460 --> 01:04:34,460
and

874
01:04:34,460 --> 01:04:40,420
one because it's on the, it's any, the charter, the rules of the ethics commission, they

875
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:44,400
won't say anything. So while they're all sitting around at dinner talking about it, and it

876
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,940
may go, I'd say, you know, we talked about this at dinner, but the only person that knows that they

877
01:04:47,940 --> 01:04:52,060
filed the complaint is a person that actually filed the complaint. And that person is supposedly

878
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:58,140
held to confidentiality. Therefore, no one would know that. So we get leaked. You got leaked by the

879
01:04:58,140 --> 01:05:02,380
person that filed it, or the person who was filed against. You can't be leaked in another way.

880
01:05:02,380 --> 01:05:04,740
to be discussing it and wanted to say how filed.

881
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:07,780
Now, if it wasn't at one of the four, it was a friend.

882
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,600
The other four was a friend of the officials.

883
01:05:09,900 --> 01:05:11,280
So, the one who was a friend, the liberalist,

884
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:14,700
who tried to disembowl their complaint.

885
01:05:15,380 --> 01:05:17,500
So, if I sit there with Kushe Roach up and say,

886
01:05:19,020 --> 01:05:21,120
which, so until I think was a violation,

887
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,940
I'll follow the paper and you, you call the care academy types.

888
01:05:28,380 --> 01:05:31,560
If I, if I haven't followed the yet, if I violated the ordinance,

889
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,600
You, yes, let's get it.

890
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,220
Currently, it reads the Ethics Commission, it's staff, the Complaintant Complaintant,

891
01:05:40,220 --> 01:05:44,760
and the Respondent, who's a subject may not disclose any information relating to

892
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,820
Complaint, including the identity of the Complaintant and the Respondents.

893
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,020
Would that include the intention to file?

894
01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:58,050
No, but, by Commission Rush else's scenario, we're all having dinner, and I say, well,

895
01:05:58,170 --> 01:05:58,930
you know what?

896
01:05:59,470 --> 01:05:59,850
You're right.

897
01:06:00,010 --> 01:06:02,030
And so many to do some about that, I'm going to file.

898
01:06:03,290 --> 01:06:07,670
And I mean, because the Commissioner Frazier's point, the real act is the filing itself.

899
01:06:08,290 --> 01:06:12,590
Right. Now, if someone comes back and says, well, five people are having dinner and rich

900
01:06:12,590 --> 01:06:16,670
just to, you know, to me, we're done to you ever file it.

901
01:06:17,310 --> 01:06:21,710
At the point at which I say yes or no, that's the point where actually I am then devolving.

902
01:06:22,290 --> 01:06:24,830
Because what you're saying is truly, you can't go for sure.

903
01:06:25,630 --> 01:06:27,550
Unless the person finally devolves it.

904
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:30,030
And you can maybe know what their intent was.

905
01:06:30,030 --> 01:06:36,290
You can know that it's likely you can know they talked about it doing it, but you can't know for sure they did it

906
01:06:36,290 --> 01:06:37,770
Don't ask I can't tell you

907
01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:43,310
So here's a question. Yeah, if the Kail County times

908
01:06:45,830 --> 01:06:55,310
Then is sort of made aware that this is happening right happen or did happen and they call the ethics commission to say has there been a complaint file against XYZ

909
01:06:56,290 --> 01:06:58,290
Do they what is the response to that?

910
01:06:58,290 --> 01:07:00,050
I think they can't respond.

911
01:07:01,090 --> 01:07:02,770
No, but I don't want to catch off.

912
01:07:02,890 --> 01:07:07,710
But most likely what happens is that they will call the person, and they believe,

913
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:09,850
thought you could play and say, did you thought it was complete?

914
01:07:10,550 --> 01:07:11,490
And that's what happens.

915
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:11,950
It's amazing.

916
01:07:11,970 --> 01:07:13,450
Oh, you sure I thought it could play and respond.

917
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:14,770
It's not a paper.

918
01:07:15,370 --> 01:07:16,610
And they already thought it was complete.

919
01:07:16,910 --> 01:07:17,150
That is.

920
01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:24,750
So it's the confirmation of the file, which is really the point where we're over a clear one.

921
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:26,190
Yeah.

922
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:27,170
I think so.

923
01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:29,670
And they say, I can't tell you if I followed them,

924
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:31,210
kill again times as a story here.

925
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,120
But I couldn't say, you know, for sure,

926
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:35,780
how is it?

927
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,140
You couldn't tell me if you followed them.

928
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:41,080
But the other thing's mission could throw this out

929
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,780
because the non-public document

930
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:45,180
when public correct.

931
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:47,340
No, no, they can't do that.

932
01:07:47,740 --> 01:07:48,720
Okay, it's not now.

933
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:49,460
Not now.

934
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,180
That's the purpose of it at the end.

935
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:55,060
To give them, if this pass, they could do that.

936
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:56,740
They would have to describe this question.

937
01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:58,060
It's not made at all.

938
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:00,080
Right.

939
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,200
Right.

940
01:08:00,860 --> 01:08:07,120
Which also kind of then sort of speaks to Commissioner Rachal scenario, which is, if I said,

941
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:11,420
well, it was devolves, but then it turned out to be devolves by someone that was sympathetic

942
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:12,920
for the person being accused.

943
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:19,480
It's still in the discretion of the ethics commissioner to say, well, that doesn't get you out of trouble.

944
01:08:19,660 --> 01:08:22,840
Just because your body knew about it and devolves it, right?

945
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:24,500
I mean, they have discretion.

946
01:08:24,500 --> 01:08:29,680
they would have to discretion regardless of who even if the complain makes it and then they

947
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:35,200
will find it to be an egregious violation and they could continue to proceed with it.

948
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,560
So on to what, so if we're going to give someone discretionary authority it presumes that

949
01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:48,240
there's some guidance over which discretionary actions would possible line in which wouldn't.

950
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:48,780
Right?

951
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:53,860
And I think it has to be their best judgment as to whether or not they could claim it.

952
01:08:55,920 --> 01:09:01,460
should that information, right, devolves that information, and they'd have to make a

953
01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:01,940
judge and so on.

954
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,520
So let me hear the ethics, I mean the ethics person right now actually can dismiss

955
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,100
something just by looking at it and saying, I don't think there's enough substance if it does

956
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,080
not lay out a complaint under the end of the ethics.

957
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:19,080
And I understand these guidelines there, but I mean there's already some discretion, I mean

958
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,860
I mean, it's not like this is a completely black and white,

959
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,100
everything that's filed finds its way through the entire process.

960
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,160
And so we're asking someone then at that point to say,

961
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,340
OK, well,

962
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:36,540
you're confident enough to dismiss this,

963
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,240
based on the fact that the information,

964
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,920
if you're OK times calls that person and they say,

965
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,420
oh, yeah, I filed it.

966
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:46,640
Well, they're on YouTube, Sam.

967
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,900
I filed it, whether they're in a political club,

968
01:09:49,900 --> 01:09:59,960
I mean, you know, someone's going to have to have a certain degree of confidence to be able to use this authority that they're being given, right?

969
01:10:00,260 --> 01:10:08,540
I mean, that's part of the deal. Otherwise, we'd be saying, well, it's not even discretionary, just kicks it out on the back of you, which says that's not what we're saying, right?

970
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,220
So, three people come to the hearing room and start yelling at one of us because they think

971
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:20,620
we own the company that's going to be fixing a stormwater management plan to have a conflict

972
01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:21,440
of the ventures.

973
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,820
And they all three stand up and accuse us of that expolation, scoring an open meeting.

974
01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:28,380
Nothing's been filed yet, okay?

975
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,240
And that night, one of them follows.

976
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,700
And then the next day, five more people come to the hearing room and say, we heard about it yesterday,

977
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:39,800
And we think you did come at an ethics fund.

978
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,060
They start arguing with the economics violation.

979
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:45,140
So, it's public.

980
01:10:45,300 --> 01:10:45,940
It's on TV.

981
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:47,700
There's been something filed.

982
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:49,960
It's not public that it was filed.

983
01:10:50,180 --> 01:10:53,540
It's not public that it was filed.

984
01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:56,400
It wasn't public that it was filed.

985
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,280
I'm just asking.

986
01:10:58,880 --> 01:10:59,620
It wasn't public that.

987
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,080
But I also think Commissioner Weaver's point.

988
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,790
Maybe we should have someone from the ethics commission come in.

989
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:10,970
Well, this is just to see whether you want to, this is what you did all public hearing.

990
01:11:11,190 --> 01:11:12,430
It needs to be a public hearing.

991
01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:13,870
You need to hear from everybody.

992
01:11:14,530 --> 01:11:16,150
Certainly the ethics commission would be invited.

993
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:17,370
I didn't want to bring them all in.

994
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:17,890
Right.

995
01:11:17,890 --> 01:11:18,110
Right.

996
01:11:18,210 --> 01:11:19,590
I'm proceeding at this point.

997
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:21,430
I think we'll send door to public hearing.

998
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:22,510
If we proceed to public hearing.

999
01:11:22,510 --> 01:11:22,710
Right.

1000
01:11:22,710 --> 01:11:26,270
It's one of them or however many wanted to come in and speak to this.

1001
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:29,930
But people who think it's a bad idea will come in and speak to it.

1002
01:11:29,950 --> 01:11:29,990
Right.

1003
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:30,370
But I go.

1004
01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:33,310
But I kind of get the sense that you're almost asking it.

1005
01:11:33,310 --> 01:11:38,710
like to hear from them before you decide whether or not it should go to the point where they can speak then.

1006
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:40,310
Okay, I would be fine with that.

1007
01:11:44,110 --> 01:11:46,570
Is there any point at which we need them to speak as a body?

1008
01:11:48,490 --> 01:11:52,410
No, you would draft the ordinances for the county if they don't.

1009
01:11:52,650 --> 01:11:54,790
But I mean, we would want them to speak as...

1010
01:11:54,790 --> 01:12:02,630
I mean, sometimes people ask our opinion on things and sometimes they prefer to hear from us after reaching some consensus.

1011
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:07,150
I mean, so I mean, would we, I mean, I think that's the question we've brought more for

1012
01:12:07,150 --> 01:12:11,730
us, but I'm getting back to what Commissioner Weaver is saying, you know, do you want

1013
01:12:11,730 --> 01:12:15,730
to hear from the, you know, is this, you can certainly refer it to the ethics commission.

1014
01:12:15,970 --> 01:12:20,850
For them to say, you know, as a, you know, because, I don't know if that's the right

1015
01:12:20,850 --> 01:12:26,810
course of not, but at that point, if they said, well, no, we, we really, this is, because I mean,

1016
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:32,190
there's no question that it definitely all through the process, there's also no question

1017
01:12:32,190 --> 01:12:36,550
Well, they're already supposed to be confidential, right?

1018
01:12:36,750 --> 01:12:39,690
I mean, I don't know that at all there's the process at all.

1019
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:41,970
Well, I guess what I'm saying is misuse ulcers the process.

1020
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:47,590
So in that, you know, I mean, people that can't achieve a success

1021
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:51,250
at the ballot box can find ways to misuse other things.

1022
01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:56,210
And that's part of what that disclosure is accomplished.

1023
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:59,970
So, you know, that's not the intention of ethics.

1024
01:12:59,970 --> 01:13:07,250
And the intention of ethics is to, you know, monitor our activities and keep them ethical.

1025
01:13:08,490 --> 01:13:09,870
And to actually do not.

1026
01:13:10,190 --> 01:13:12,090
Let me remember scenario by.

1027
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:19,020
So, this thing is really angry because he thinks that his representative is a Fisher Representative committed

1028
01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:21,170
and agreed just ethics act.

1029
01:13:21,630 --> 01:13:22,970
So, he follows a complaint.

1030
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:28,510
And then as he follows a complaint, but the next day, he meets with all his neighbors and says,

1031
01:13:28,510 --> 01:13:33,110
I think the Commissioner of John Doe committed a religious act and I want to protest him

1032
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:33,450
if I can.

1033
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:39,030
The next day, a 50-navish shop in front of the county office building, protesting, saying

1034
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:46,770
that Commissioner of John Doe is committed, it should resign because he did this

1035
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:50,650
and agreed just a large violation of ethics.

1036
01:13:51,550 --> 01:13:55,210
He doesn't actually say that the file doesn't tell there's actually a file that's

1037
01:13:55,210 --> 01:13:59,330
Plank pretty scored it as a protest with 50 people related to the exact same mission.

1038
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:59,670
Now.

1039
01:14:00,130 --> 01:14:01,350
Here's the right to do that.

1040
01:14:01,670 --> 01:14:02,710
He didn't say five complaints.

1041
01:14:02,970 --> 01:14:05,270
He has broken confidentiality at all.

1042
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:06,630
But there's no way that.

1043
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:08,910
But there's no way those 50 people know.

1044
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:13,130
Or any of them know where the paper knows that something's been filed.

1045
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:14,690
Unless he demotes.

1046
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:17,750
If that's out there, then he had to demotes.

1047
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:19,650
So he can run around until 1,000 people.

1048
01:14:19,650 --> 01:14:27,490
I think the John Deau violated the ethics was not he doesn't say he filed a complaint. He hasn't brought he hasn't crossed the line

1049
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:35,110
Right, because whatever process then the ethics commission goes through they go through they come up three months later and say no

1050
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:42,130
It completely had been filed. This is what our findings were yay name whatever, but it's not

1051
01:14:42,130 --> 01:14:48,870
And the paper interviews and wise protesting and says so Mr. Smith your protest and commission John

1052
01:14:49,650 --> 01:14:53,430
did you did you file an afters complaint he says no comment

1053
01:14:54,810 --> 01:14:57,470
okay then you can have well

1054
01:14:57,470 --> 01:14:59,970
I'm just not that it would have happened here you could have

1055
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,900
People standing out there with signs accusing people of all kinds.

1056
01:15:03,940 --> 01:15:04,400
I don't remember that.

1057
01:15:05,180 --> 01:15:06,580
That's not true. That's not true.

1058
01:15:06,580 --> 01:15:07,200
That's not true. That's not true.

1059
01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:09,800
Citizen is still free to protest.

1060
01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:12,980
He's still free to light accusations. He's still free to run ads, right?

1061
01:15:13,380 --> 01:15:14,680
Letters, carry signs.

1062
01:15:15,100 --> 01:15:19,140
Turn, he just can't say the words. I follow the complaint, though.

1063
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:20,480
That's true.

1064
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:21,900
I'm just asking.

1065
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:22,900
Is it matters?

1066
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:24,800
It's a big difference.

1067
01:15:25,300 --> 01:15:26,500
Yeah, there is a big difference.

1068
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,980
Because the problem with the, the following of the complaint is that

1069
01:15:30,460 --> 01:15:36,420
It goes to another level in terms of, you know, well, first of all, the whole process is

1070
01:15:36,420 --> 01:15:36,680
compromised.

1071
01:15:37,180 --> 01:15:37,780
I think of that one.

1072
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:44,700
But secondly, you know, the idea is also some measure of protection for the innocent.

1073
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:51,520
And so, you know, at that point, you have to say, well, the fact that 100 people do, I mean,

1074
01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:56,220
you know, I mean, I expect over five years, I can't imagine how many people have protested

1075
01:15:56,220 --> 01:16:03,140
me across the street, that's fine. I welcome that to me again. So many of them. And that's fine.

1076
01:16:03,500 --> 01:16:08,180
But if someone says, oh, he was brought up with ethical charges for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1077
01:16:08,180 --> 01:16:16,040
That's a different level of accusation. And, you know, the only way someone would know that is if they had actually filed it or demolished

1078
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:18,930
it.

1079
01:16:19,210 --> 01:16:24,670
In my case, they did it on the same day, which was, you know, really nice. So, you know.

1080
01:16:24,670 --> 01:16:28,330
One of the reasons why I think we're having discussions because we know that statistically

1081
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:31,450
I'm just going to make up a number

1082
01:16:31,450 --> 01:16:38,290
Well, that was on the numbers. Almost every ethics and playing filed is basically in the term that I have no merit

1083
01:16:44,820 --> 01:16:48,780
But so in the interest of thought coming up with a hundred more scenarios

1084
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:57,640
Which we could do that all afternoon. I mean, I you know, I think we're getting the same place with any of those right

1085
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,440
I think we've answered that question

1086
01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:01,820
what's the appetite for

1087
01:17:01,820 --> 01:17:03,560
seeing this go through

1088
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,100
to the public hearing?

1089
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:07,840
I think some of the forms of public hearing.

1090
01:17:13,380 --> 01:17:15,280
I like to assure we reside here.

1091
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,700
I'm hearing from the Commission,

1092
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,300
but I think it would be an attempt to make sure that what we put out for public hearing

1093
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:22,580
is what we should put out.

1094
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:25,620
But my intent would be to put out for public hearing.

1095
01:17:25,940 --> 01:17:27,080
But I want to do that first.

1096
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,620
I think we should hear from each other.

1097
01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:29,460
I think we should hear from each other.

1098
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:30,660
I think we should hear from each other.

1099
01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:38,360
First of all, we will refer the the proposal to the ethics commission for their comment and then come back to you with the results

1100
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:45,880
Okay, we're having a stack. I think the discussion appears is if we're all kind of getting to that same place. So that's I think that's where we

1101
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,420
Anything's where we're going right. Okay. Good idea

1102
01:17:50,220 --> 01:17:52,480
One need to check on ethical actions

1103
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,200
Tim, I got to ask one other question

1104
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,260
In this family at the state level. I know as a general rule

1105
01:17:58,260 --> 01:18:05,540
rule, we can't pass things that impact us or things that seem things to get passed during

1106
01:18:05,540 --> 01:18:10,800
a term, don't go into effect until the next election or the next body of folks.

1107
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:15,420
Is this different from that because I know the presence of the, well, it was when we

1108
01:18:15,420 --> 01:18:16,400
did the termlets.

1109
01:18:16,940 --> 01:18:19,980
The state could impose that, but they couldn't impose it until the next round of elections.

1110
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,400
And this is something that, no, this would be effective now, so this is not subject to

1111
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,120
that kind of battle.

1112
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,360
Okay.

1113
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:28,680
Okay.

1114
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,100
This would not be a threat.

1115
01:18:30,140 --> 01:18:31,580
If you adopted it would be a threat.

1116
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,900
If this would not rise to the threshold of a retrospective outcome of the Constitution,

1117
01:18:35,500 --> 01:18:39,760
the minutes it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a stereo change.

1118
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,080
Doesn't really change any requirements on us.

1119
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:47,340
Now we just impose as an additional requirement or complaining.

1120
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:48,960
Well actually, doesn't even do that.

1121
01:18:49,140 --> 01:18:52,980
It just has a great to consequence for what is already imposed upon.

1122
01:18:53,780 --> 01:18:55,020
They're already bound by confidence.

1123
01:18:55,020 --> 01:18:56,980
You just create the cards correct.

1124
01:18:57,300 --> 01:18:58,260
That's exactly right.

1125
01:18:58,380 --> 01:18:58,620
It's exactly the same.

1126
01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:00,960
I was a consequence for what I need existing rule.

1127
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,500
It doesn't rise in the threshold of changing your requirement.

1128
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:05,320
Let's go back and see where the official.

1129
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,240
Look at it.

1130
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:08,160
Okay.

1131
01:19:08,420 --> 01:19:09,180
Thank you very much.

1132
01:19:09,980 --> 01:19:11,220
Thank you.

1133
01:19:11,220 --> 01:19:11,480
Yes.

1134
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,540
It's the best observation we've had in the long.

1135
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:15,720
Okay.

1136
01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:19,360
Approval an adoption of minutes.

1137
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:21,460
Do we have any?

1138
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:22,340
Yeah, we do.

1139
01:19:22,820 --> 01:19:23,860
I guess that's what it is.

1140
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,980
There's the January the 14th at 9 a.m.

1141
01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:33,540
It's the only set that we have.

1142
01:19:39,460 --> 01:19:40,900
Motion through fruit.

1143
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:45,710
Got a second.

1144
01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:47,670
I'll second.

1145
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,660
All in favor.

1146
01:19:53,260 --> 01:19:53,320
All right.

1147
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,100
I'm going to abstain just because I have to go.

1148
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:56,360
Thank you.

1149
01:19:56,940 --> 01:19:58,520
Okay, that's it for the minutes, right?

1150
01:19:59,000 --> 01:19:59,200
All right.

1151
01:19:59,340 --> 01:19:59,820
Agendas.

1152
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:06,700
And we welcome the ace to the front table, which is always so exciting.

1153
01:20:06,700 --> 01:20:09,640
But she's wearing the colors one of the cheap ones in with the chair.

1154
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,960
I was going to make a million.

1155
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:16,880
I was going to make that comment but I'm in no way doing that.

1156
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:17,300
All right.

1157
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:18,140
I didn't go.

1158
01:20:18,340 --> 01:20:20,000
I actually prefer today as the chairwoman.

1159
01:20:23,100 --> 01:20:24,540
I'm a gender chairwoman.

1160
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,600
So you should be quite happy at this point.

1161
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,560
She's thrilled for her.

1162
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,580
I see that expression for a number of reasons.

1163
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,680
Not certainly not including tomorrow's schedule.

1164
01:20:35,300 --> 01:20:35,480
Okay.

1165
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:43,920
Next week, January the 25th, nothing on Monday. Tuesday is our Board of County Commissioners

1166
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:51,940
Cabinet retreat, that's scheduled for EDM that day. Wednesday finds myself in Commissioner

1167
01:20:51,940 --> 01:20:59,120
Rochow in anapolis again. I will be at the Maryland Association of County's legislative

1168
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:05,120
reception at 5 p.m. in anapolis and Commissioner Rochow has the Board of Education budget

1169
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,660
meeting at 6 p.m. in the West Coast.

1170
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:09,120
That's not right.

1171
01:21:09,460 --> 01:21:10,780
Did somebody not eat lunch?

1172
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:12,580
I'm not sure what that is.

1173
01:21:14,260 --> 01:21:15,220
So we're...

1174
01:21:15,220 --> 01:21:16,640
So I must hurry and not do everything.

1175
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:23,280
Uh, Thursday to 28th we have closed admin at 9 and then open session at 10, which includes

1176
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:27,040
Water and Silver Master Plan Discussions, Jones and Excitation.

1177
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:30,500
Stable Families Program, Grant Award.

1178
01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:42,920
We're going to discuss landfill rates, and site-filled freedom relief sewer discussion, and also care of county detention center off site housing.

1179
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:53,720
130 that afternoon, renewal of the radio system service, discussion on the cable franchise agreement, and that's it for that day.

1180
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:59,120
We're going to close for boards and commissions on Thursday at 28th. If we're dug out by that.

1181
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:06,660
Friday this twenty-nine. Commissioner Howard will be at the EMC meeting. And that's set it in

1182
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:08,280
that.

1183
01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:08,920
Both.

1184
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:11,120
Yes.

1185
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:11,720
It's involved more.

1186
01:22:11,740 --> 01:22:15,300
I don't think that- oh, actually this one is an animal threat.

1187
01:22:15,620 --> 01:22:16,140
It's okay.

1188
01:22:16,940 --> 01:22:17,480
It's just like a threat.

1189
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,220
Well, you're just like I said, it's a threat.

1190
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,520
Didn't you get- did not want to steer Mr. Howard in the wrong direction by the way?

1191
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:24,960
I had to think about that one myself.

1192
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:29,100
And then Saturday, that Saturday in Mr. Rochob will be at wing

1193
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:35,400
field and we'll fire department banquet and commissioner Howard has the commissioner's dress.

1194
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,720
That throws us right in the February already.

1195
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:43,580
There we are at the first.

1196
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:46,460
Mister's leader of Howard at planning zoning commission.

1197
01:22:47,140 --> 01:22:48,120
Tuesday the second.

1198
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:54,080
We have closed admin and then our joint Board of County Commissioners and Board of Education meeting.

1199
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,720
Which should be.

1200
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:03,720
see the seat of the chair activity excitement to the max. That's that afternoon at three.

1201
01:23:04,460 --> 01:23:09,060
I'll take some value in the flow on the way. Wednesday the third.

1202
01:23:09,060 --> 01:23:12,340
I heard they required that if your participation of that board, is that not sure?

1203
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:14,420
I don't want to move it.

1204
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,040
Would you like to go to the store around this place?

1205
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,220
I'm still trying to hold up the young red flashcards.

1206
01:23:21,220 --> 01:23:23,500
I never, I never did it.

1207
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,180
I think that's a 1961.

1208
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,300
I never go through the field.

1209
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,200
I never go through the field.

1210
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,840
I do want to raise your hand at that.

1211
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:30,580
Just stand.

1212
01:23:31,020 --> 01:23:32,700
On Wednesday the third of February.

1213
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:36,480
Uh...

1214
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:38,720
Commissioner Howard, I guess you should go have in warfield

1215
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:40,280
Development Corporation meetings.

1216
01:23:40,380 --> 01:23:41,660
Just for a whole time saying that.

1217
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,840
Commissioner Rodchano myself, or inapolis, again, that Wednesday

1218
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,260
and Commissioner Rodchaub,

1219
01:23:49,260 --> 01:23:53,140
is that the Board of Education budget hearing at 7 p.m. that night.

1220
01:23:55,550 --> 01:24:00,990
30 a.m. is the Ag Business Breakfast right now, I have Commissioner Weaver on that.

1221
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:10,640
Okay, 10 a.m. we're going to open with a Proclamation, B.G. and E.

1222
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:15,120
Briefing. That ought to be interesting after this weekend.

1223
01:24:17,140 --> 01:24:22,680
What are some master plan discussions and economic development refunding revenue bonds with Mr.

1224
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:29,200
Burke and that's it for that day. Friday the fifth is our joint Board of County

1225
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:35,620
Commissioners and delegation meeting and that's in anapolis at 9 a.m. Yes, Ms.

1226
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:40,980
Hoover. I will be adding the address or the room address and the street address

1227
01:24:40,980 --> 01:24:48,380
for that. Okay, that's in the Western Maryland room. We'll be okay. We got it. Saturday

1228
01:24:48,380 --> 01:24:55,520
February 6, Commissioner Weaver and Lance, we'll be at the care of

1229
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,500
any services bureau of chocolate ball.

1230
01:25:00,900 --> 01:25:02,700
If I survive that night, I'll do the

1231
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:04,400
commissioners report on Sunday morning.

1232
01:25:07,020 --> 01:25:11,000
Any additions, corrections, stuff we want

1233
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:11,840
to go to.

1234
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:15,220
All right.

1235
01:25:19,630 --> 01:25:25,150
We're going to entertain a motion to move into clothes,

1236
01:25:25,150 --> 01:25:31,550
right for boards and commissions. So we'll do that. I'm sorry, person now. Is it

1237
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:36,730
the boss person now? Okay, hold on. So just to remind you, I think we've covered

1238
01:25:36,730 --> 01:25:42,650
the storm enough today, but just to remind her again, everybody stay tuned, certainly

1239
01:25:42,650 --> 01:25:49,590
we're making all efforts a weekend to make sure everybody's safe and remind her again

1240
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:54,290
that the county office building will be closing at 3 p.m. tomorrow and care of county

1241
01:25:54,290 --> 01:25:59,350
public schools are after three hours early tomorrow. So three hours of

1242
01:25:59,350 --> 01:26:03,750
that tonight. Schools are after three hours early tomorrow. Yes. And

1243
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:09,250
and the office building is being shut down at 3 p.m. Okay, Mr.

1244
01:26:09,290 --> 01:26:14,130
Reminder. All right. I'll entertain a motion to go into closed for

1245
01:26:14,130 --> 01:26:18,810
personnel. The motion to go into closed for personnel. Second.

1246
01:26:18,810 --> 01:26:20,790
That's all in favour.

1247
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:23,110
Didn't I look any more good?

1248
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:23,530
Don't-it's a nice time.

1249
01:26:23,530 --> 01:26:24,290
Thank you.

1250
01:26:24,450 --> 01:26:27,770
Then I'll entertain a motion to adjourn after that.

1251
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:28,510
No mood.

1252
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:30,350
All in favour.

1253
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:31,630
All right.

1254
01:26:32,490 --> 01:26:34,090
How good do I do?

1255
01:26:36,670 --> 01:26:37,470
You did.

1256
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:41,030
You got the-can you got the-can I'm gonna go like this?

1257
01:26:41,310 --> 01:26:43,830
I-can me.

1258
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:46,450
You'll get

1259
01:27:08,460 --> 01:27:10,200
the final report.

1260
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:10,800
I'm gonna go like this.

1261
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,700
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