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As we always do, we'll begin with a pledge of allegiance and a moment of silent reflection.

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I hope everybody is doing well today. It is a beautiful Thursday after all, and up first on our agenda, as always, is priority, care, and commissioner Kyla, we will start with you today.

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Okay, thank you. And I mentioned in closed and I talked with district 7 engineer yesterday, and we talked about many topics.

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But one of those, and I'll check with CCPS to see where they are with it, I know a Manchester

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Valley student was hit last year, crossing Route 30.

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And I know there's grants for walks, and that is a pretty rough situation on Route 30.

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They also have an emergency gate at the back of the school, and I don't know whether they

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kids use that or not, but I'm going to check into that and then the other topic that came

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up and I'll get more information on it, but evidently the state of Maryland is advocating

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that speed cameras go up on different state highways and the district seven hasn't pursued it,

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But their question is, do we care county, 1, 1497, 27, and pick them, do we want speed cameras or we just assume not?

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So think about it and let me know.

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I want to mention for each fair, not because you're here, but for each fair, and it's just such an awesome event.

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And we love supporting it and this morning, which I hopefully my tie straight, Rhonda left before I did.

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She went to Stony Point to pick up our hog.

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And the fair is too edged.

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Hopefully we support the kids.

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Hopefully we support for H and Farm Bureau and all that.

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But she's taken probably three quarters of the hog into Salt and Pepper, sausage, to Carroll Food Sunday.

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So it's a double donation.

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So thank you guys for what you do out there.

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And it's, you're actually benefiting more people.

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And Ron did I go on a personal note, we're going to visit our daughter this week and our grandson

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in two weeks and we got Labor Day coming up, we'll be back for Labor Day because of things

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going on here, but hopefully that's family time and everybody enjoys Labor Day and has a good

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time. It's again, it's too edged. It's kind of the end of the season for the pools and

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for different things going on. So it's almost a little sad.

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Market Street, we did that public hearing. And I think nine people came and spoke two or

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in favor and in two-thirds of them wanting it closed. We did work sessions. We're doing

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more work sessions. I mentioned District 7 already. We got a public hearing tonight at 6 p.m.

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and I encourage everybody to get there and comment if you're interested and information's

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in the web and hopefully everybody knows about it.

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And lastly, I just want to mention, again, our volunteer fart apartments.

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Again, I know there are having some crab feeds, they're having bingo, they're doing things

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to raise money.

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And carnival seasons over, while it was fun in a good way to support them.

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We need to keep supporting them.

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We have 14 volunteer fart apartments.

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and well their property and vehicles probably worth over 200 million and they've got a lot

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of volunteers we couldn't afford just like recon parks just like many of the farm

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museum Ag Center we we couldn't afford in Carol County with our quality of life to pay

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everybody that volunteers and and does for us so we need to appreciate them and help them

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Thank you.

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Also, Commissioner Thank you.

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Commissioner Gordon?

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Well, thank you.

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Good morning, Carol County.

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I want to bring up first one of the things that I think is on everybody's minds this

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week which started.

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Sunday, which is back to school. And, you know, Carol County Sheriff's Office was heavily involved with that. We had Deputy Harvey with a video on Facebook. I do truly appreciate all our SROs.

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I had a great video of him welcoming kids back to school. But, you know, Monday started in the new school year and I want to wish all our students teachers and administrators and staff a successful and rewarding year ahead.

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Obviously, it's a great time for our students to learn, but it's also about patients, dedication,

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creativity, and opportunity.

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So I just want to thank everyone.

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Obviously, be safe on those roads out there because buses are back, parents are dropping

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kids off and give yourself a little extra time because we are back in the school.

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Secondly, one to mention, real quick, the Maryland State Highway Administration is working

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going to project on Maryland 27 by Liberty Road in Westminster Railroad Avenue between Tuck

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Road and Bond. This is currently going on in the evenings that began. Let's start at this

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past Sunday. 8pm to 5am each morning. This will run through hopefully about mid-October. So

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just be aware if you're driving down Main Street and Westminster any of those other related roads

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in that area. There are going to be delays and backups evening into the early morning. Just

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be aware and just keep focus on that.

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Also, I wanted to, Chris, if you could bring up the next slide, I wanted to mention something

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that I thought was really awesome that kind of hit my radar earlier this past week.

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So this is Ms. Frager, who's a recently retired high school librarian, who has now set up

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a little free library, which is chartered here in Westminster.

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If you have any books at home that could use a new reader, this could be a wonderful opportunity

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to give me a second home in life and to help spread the joy of reading throughout

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our community. She's happy to either come pick them up or you can drop them off

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the address for this little free library is 17 Chase Street and Westminster.

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And again, as I always mentioned, but it's just a perfect example of how our community

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gets together and works together and does such wonderful things for all of us. So I just

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want to give a shout out for that real quickly. Chris, you can go to the next slide.

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Also, we want to mention very briefly, Genova's 50th anniversary, so half a century to them.

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Amazing that we have businesses, small businesses in our communities, and it's hard to believe

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it's been 50 years, but truly want to thank them for all they've done in the community,

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not only as a business, but they've also given back to a lot of nonprofits and organizations.

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And any time we can, we should definitely make sure we support our small businesses,

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because they truly are the heartbeat and lifeblood of most of our community and just want to

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thank them exceptionally for that. If we can go to the next slide. I also want to mention this one,

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we've got a member of our Carol County Farm Museum staff who has just published a book

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one to give a shout out to Anne Gilbert on her first novel for kids. Always great to again see

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things going on in our community that we might not be aware of, but just amazing to see that we have

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So much creative talent and ability in our community.

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So I wanted to show that as well.

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And then, you know, I want to mention,

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Papy Anniversary to Lester White and Shannon White.

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71 years, that's quite impressive.

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They've been an institution in Carroll County

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for as long as I can remember.

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And I remember visiting them on Main Street

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as a kid over the years.

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So I just want to mention that.

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Last, I do want to bring up one thing.

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I don't know if anybody saw it on Facebook,

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County Government Freedom Facebook, Sheriff's Department mentioned it on their Facebook.

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We also put out an email blast, but there have been some scams going around portraying themselves

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as being from either the planning and zoning department of Carol County or other possible

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entities within County Government, they're asking for money to pay various application fees

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or other things. Be sure to just be vigilant as we all should be in any aspect of our lives

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from any email we receive. But keep an eye on those email dresses because the one thing

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a stood out to date is the email justice are not carol county government email justice just

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you know if you can do your due diligence we've tried to put it out in every fashion possible

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but again just be aware and that's all for me thank you very well said commissioner Gordon

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I will add to that especially with the point about the email scam if you have any doubt what

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so ever don't hesitate to contact this office to verify whether it's real or not and again very

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Paul Sett, Commissioner Gerard?

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Yeah, thank you.

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Good morning, Carol.

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Kind of.

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Just briefly.

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previous two comments mentioned the fact that school started again.

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And anecdotally, I think, I've seen my share already of people not driving safely

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around bus stops.

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You've got to stop when you're supposed to stop.

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When you see those flashing lights just stop.

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It's not worth it.

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I've seen unsafe driving recently for some...

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Number row crews, people complaining about having to slow down and stop. It's always farming season in

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Carroll County, no matter what time of the year it is, and you've got farm equipment on the roads.

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And again, anecdotally, I've seen people getting frustrated with the fact that they've got to wait behind a

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or something. Maybe it's a sort of pet peeve of mine, a personal issue of mine, but if you live

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in here in Carroll County, you've got a practice patience and you've got to understand this is

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a rural county. We've got bus stops everywhere, very few kids walk to school and we've constantly

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got road crews out trying to make our roads better because it is a public safety issue. So just

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low down, and be aware, and if you've got complaints about any of those three things, do

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not contact me, because you already know it's just supposed to do oral adults.

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So when I think I probably speak for the other four commissioners as well, so let's be safe

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out there.

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We do not need to replicate what is happening in some other counties.

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There are people getting hit all the time, there's accidents all the time.

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I know those are different populations, there are more populated areas, it's what I'm saying.

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But let's keep Carol County safe and that's all for me very well said commissioner commissioner Krebs

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Thank you

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I remind me the other night. I was at a function and ran into an old friend from the Board of Education who used to be our budget director

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And Mr. Brillhart and we were talking about how he was one of the ones that got the cameras on the school buses

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And how he had to advocate for years in anapolis to get it the approval to do that and when they started seeing the statistics

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They had a pilot program and they started seeing the statistics how many people were running those

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Those letters lights. They finally showed a picture of a boy that almost got hit because he went around and somebody passed the

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Arm that went down and thank it as the bus driver. He yelled out the one in the kit stopped and when once they showed that picture

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They passed the bill and that's why we have bus drivers cameras on buses now. So it's good

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What day was that Tuesday?

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I think we had an unveiling of the Bill Murphy Veterans Independence, Shuttle, and it was a picture

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of there.

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There was Mr. Bill Murphy, and he's obviously a long time supporter of VIP veterans independence,

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but he's been shuttle and people around for a long time, but he dedicated this car so we

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have a vehicle forever for his own vehicle lives to shuttle people locally within Carroll

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County.

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Right now we have a shuttle that goes outside to certain places to take veterans to the VA

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centers, but this will, these already got a list of people that use this, but this sort of

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more formalizes it, have different drivers and this will be the vehicle locally that veterans

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can use to get places.

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So they bill Murphy, Veterans Independent Shuttle, is one more example of Carol Kenney and

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still doing good things for each other, and so we thank him for that.

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Then we had, I'm just announcing the 911 is coming up, the remembers run, is coming up in

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Carroll County, remember to run, run to honor, honoring the heroes of September 11th by supporting

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the heroes of today. All benefits and proceeds are going to tunnels for tower. So the leg will start,

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this is on 911 at Miller's food market, a Manchester Road at 4 p.m. get there little early, and

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They will run the five miles, whoever wants to participate may.

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They may.

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The target pace is 10 minute miles.

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I don't think that's too bad.

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I think we could walk that.

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Could we walk?

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Yeah, I can walk a 10 minute mile.

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So from Miller's to Linder of Altitude, Fire Department,

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and we're supposed to end

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about 450.

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It's seven to all that runners.

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We welcome anyone who wants to join them.

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Let's see, the target pace, and they're there to run with us, honor with us, never

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forget.

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They're going to have running flags available for anyone that would like them every mile matters and just

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Obviously your donations matters. If they twice as much if you don't run then if you do run and that's that's

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They didn't work that on here. I just wrote that so they'd love to have everybody come and join us for this legs

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So run with them honor with us never forget in their here just under the lives that were lost on September 11th, 2001

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So, that's interesting from up there, and then one last thing, I saw this article on the paper about data centers,

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which are obviously the transmission lines are big to us.

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And I did not realize some of these things, but at the Dally Governor Moore came out,

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and he's striking an evolving tone on the state's data center, boomed just two years after his administration,

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helped clear the registry hurdles for the industry.

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So, maybe we'll be making a little bit more progress because I know a couple of years ago,

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he was supportive of all of the data centers, and as we know we're shutting down power.

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We don't have the electric necessarily. So in 2005, actually, the Governor veto legislation that would direct Maryland to study the environmental engineer economic effects of data center development.

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But luckily, the lawmakers rejected that decision during a special session, which is very unusual to override your own governor.

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But I'm not sure what the status of that study is, but at least there's enough concern throughout the state.

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electric affordability and grid capacity

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about becoming increasingly pressing political concerns.

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And now the governor is emphasizing that

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communities should have greater say,

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where data centers are built.

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And it's sort of a shift in,

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so the shift is underway this year.

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He's addressing consumer energy bills

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because that seems to be a big issue with our consumer.

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So I think it's a good move that the governor's finally

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getting the message that we've got to solve

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a problem of electricity and where data centers should go or shouldn't go and it's really a statewide

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issue and I'm glad that he's on board so I just wanted to bring that up so we may be

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all swimming on the same direction for a change in Carol County has been leading the charge

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on this since the very beginning I think the board of ministers is doing that and we'll continue

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to fight that and hopefully we've got some good news about the schedule for the public service

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Commission is finally posted, but it's next spring. So we have time, time is good. I mean extra time buying time is good and things are hopefully things are changing and we're going to have some solutions and I have to worry about it. But we have to be vigilant and keep going. So that's my update on the paralyzed and the data centers very well said commissioner. Thank you very much. And I want to thank all my colleagues as always for their hard work and their dedication and involvement and everything going on in the county over the course of the past week.

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So very briefly, I want to touch upon three quick things.

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Commissioner Crave already very

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capably talked about the Veterans Shuttle that Veterans

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Independence Project, in conjunction with Bill Murphy,

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the Coward Foundation, a bunch of guys from the IP

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including Frank Valente, Jason Sidot, Mike Pennington,

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and Commissioner Gordon, and Commissioner Craves

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and myself were in attendance for that unveiling

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as well as Celine Steckle from Citizen Services.

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And if anybody who doesn't know Bill Murphy,

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not only is a veteran but he is a really really outstanding guy he's long been a role model

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and a pillar of the county between his military service and his community service and that

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shuttle is going to be very instrumental in helping to get our veterans and some of their families

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around. It really is an amazing thing and it shows you what this county and what our citizens

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are capable of doing and we do things unlike anybody else and that is to say we do things

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with style, with class, and with dignity.

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Second of all, I want to, as Commissioner Kyler had mentioned, as well, I want to remind

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everybody that tonight, at 6pm here in the county office building in the Reagan room,

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that is room number three, downstairs, is the public hearing for proposed amendments to our

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planning code.

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Those include proposed amendments to chapter 155, cluster subdivisions, proposed amendments

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to chapters 155, 156 and 158 regarding changes related to accessory drawing units and also

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proposed amendments to chapters 91, 155 and 158 regarding changes related to retirement

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villages and retirement homes.

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And then the last thing, Commissioner Crabs, also alluded to with the 25th Anniversary

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of September 11th, obviously, at the Public Safety Training Center next week, we will be

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having our own commemoration of the 25th Anniversary of September 11th, and we will be posting

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details about that in the next couple of days. Everybody is invited and encouraged and welcomed

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to attend. And I would imagine that the media center will be filming it as they always

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do. Right? We try to be there as much as we can.

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All right. And I promise there is a reason why I brought Rich up in the media center. Commissioner

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Gordon, I believe you have some kind of certificate of recognition.

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I do. We could have Mr. Turner and anyone else that wants to come up forward to the

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table please. We don't have enough chairs, but okay.

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That's just pulling. We can pull them up if you want.

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By all means,

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did you like that table?

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I did like that. So I was quite, quite a little one.

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And everybody wants to sit in the middle.

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Obviously. They found out about that chair by that side.

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So obviously, all of us know, but I wanted to just give you a second if you could just

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of the public that's watching any just general information about what the community media

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center does because obviously you all are huge asset and a wonderful addition to our community

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but just to give just some general overview for anybody that really might not be aware of all that you do.

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Thanks very much appreciate the opportunity and the community media center over 35 years from

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writing services to the county, making it pop.

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If possible for individuals to come in, learn how to use the current tools of media technology and create their own content, transmit them by various means, including our cable channels, as well as over the internet.

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And of course, our own coverage generated by our staff, covering various events, including municipal meetings.

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Now, sports coverage, ensuring that we can see the best of what happens in our community. So they can find that content at www or at communitycarolmediacenter.org.

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And tell them and everybody should know this physically where are you because to me you come in through Westminster career to, you know, it's confusing, but.

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Right. Yeah. In terms of where we're located, probably a lot of folks pass right by us and not sure that we're actually they don't realize that we're there on the Westminster school campus next to the high school into the career and tech schools.

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So, that we are right across the, right across from the Carol technology center, career in technology center.

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Well, as you mentioned, you know, the public has the opportunity to come in and use the ear equipment and technology to better understand how to create media.

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I had the honor of seeing that a number of years back with the boys and girls club when they came out and it was just absolutely exceptional.

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they got to, you know, one minute they're standing there behind the green screen and they're

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you know, swimming with fish. I mean, you name it, you guys can do it, so it's impressive,

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but then the one thing I did want to mention that community media center just quite well is also

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is that you also are sort of the keepers repository of a lot of content, specifically being about

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veterans. I know that you've recorded a lot of different histories be it, you know, the former

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students at Robert Moten. So we're very, very blessed to have unfortunate to have you all

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keep that because, you know, we think about objects and we think of documents, but sometimes

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the most, I think the most valuable history is getting that, that actual spoken word and that video

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of those individuals because it's great to have the, the written, but to have them almost as close

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the being there to me is is invaluable. So I want to thank you all for that as well.

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Thank you. So we have a certificate of recognition for the Community Media Center.

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And recognition of the 2026 hometown media ward from Alliance for Community Media Foundation

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for the production of the 128th Carol County 4H and FFA Fair. The Community Media Center was selected

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as the winner of in the Community Events, Parades and Festivals category, Access Center

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profession. Professional. Excuse me. On behalf of the Citizens of Carroll County,

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we want to congratulate you for your wonderful work, show it, casing our county and

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this assigned to county commissioners. I do again want to just say you all do a

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wonderful job and thank you all your staff, your volunteers, your board. You're an

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invaluable asset to our community and just want to say thank you. Thank you.

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You know, we're honored to be here today and give thanks in recognition also to the

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partners and individuals who made this national recognition possible. First, let me recognize

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our board members, Bill Eccles, who's here, but also introduce the community center

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of Carol County's board chair to receive the tune.

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Thanks, Richard. Thank you, commissioners, for acknowledging this great achievement. The team

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worked really hard as well as the fair committee to get to that point. Our vision at the community

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of community connected through digital media.

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And if ever there were an example of Carol County coming together, the showcasing the best

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of what we have to bring, it's getting this award.

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So thank you to all involved, and thank you for the recognition.

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At the risk of being one of those cheerful actors on the stage of the Oscars gets the

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playoff moment I do have, I want to give thanks.

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My first thanks are to you and your predecessors who saw the vision and importance of having

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nonprofit, a nonprofit media center who would ensure that free speech and local media

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buying for our residents mattered.

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Thanks to the digital architects like Gary Davis, who could not be here this morning because

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of a scheduling conflict, that had the vision for fiber connectivity among our amazing community

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facilities, including the CMC and the Carroll County Agricultural Center that would save

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costs and enable live programming showcasing the best we have to offer.

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Thanks to Carol County, Cable Regulatory Commission, and their administrator, Carol Schaulver,

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who is here, for their steadfast support, including funding, of television production,

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equipment, and matching funds.

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Thanks to retired administrator Roberta Windom, who continuously supported CMC in our mission

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and gave me reassurances that we would continue on.

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Thanks to Carol County's Office of Technology and Director Allison Deacon for upholding the

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along with Info Pathways, made the concept of live proof.

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Programming from the eggs and are possible. Thanks to the very talented and dedicated production team, Rachel Camel, who is among us today, is here representing and the volunteers who spent over 525 hours producing over 43 hours of wall-to-wall coverage,

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presenting and generating over 70,000 views on cable and internet streaming.

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But wait, there's more.

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Because this National Highly Competitive Award, our Emmy or Oscar,

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wasn't one just because of the amazing partnerships,

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technological innovation and creativity, it was a content.

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Carol County's youth showing their best in breeding,

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raising their animals at the 4-H in FFA fair.

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And so thank most of all to the Fair Board and clubs,

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who are the ones who really made this National Recognition possible.

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And I want to wholeheartedly thank Fairboard Chair and Vice Chair, Crystal Dell, and Bradley Thomas.

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I don't know if you want to say a couple words at all, or no.

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All right, we definitely appreciate the partnership.

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Thank you.

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Well, thank you very much for coming in.

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I just say very briefly myself.

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You really do a vital and really important public service for the community.

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And I think for me, more than anything, you do it in such a professional way.

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You forget that you're watching a stream from a nonprofit might as well be one of the

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big cable news broadcasters or something.

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You guys do a phenomenal job, whatever it is you're covering, whatever you're documenting,

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you are recording history and I certainly appreciate and respect that and thank you for everything

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that you do for us.

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All right, thank you very much.

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And you said it, but CMC is one of the Jules of Carroll County involved in May, but now

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make a Carroll County works together better than any other county in the state.

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And you guys are an example of that, so thank you.

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And the two behind you, I've never seen you not want to talk, so I like this.

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I'm going to grab a photo.

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Let's do it.

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I'm going to have them come up.

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I'm going to have them come up.

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Maybe we should stay up, she'll stay up.

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Yeah, we'll stay up.

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You need to bring everybody up.

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Yeah, bring everybody up.

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There are two people.

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We'll hold it on.

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Hold it on.

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Hold it on.

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Hold it on.

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Hold it on.

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Yeah, we can.

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You're good, brother.

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I know that.

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It's a little bit of a mess.

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Thank you.

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You're in much, congratulations all involved.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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You're the reason they worked so well with the neighbors.

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Now also speaking about September 11th and emergency preparedness, whether it's man-made or

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natural disasters and emergencies are going to happen, and so I believe Commissioner

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Gary and you have a proclamation.

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I do.

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Carol County is, Carol County prepared his month and I see director Hawkins and I see some

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your crew. If you want to come on up to the front and I'll go ahead and start off with

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the Proclamation. Okay.

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This Commissioner, Big Leodie mentioned, planning and preparing

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for emergencies and disasters of all kind is the shared responsibility of every community,

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every business, every family, and every individual. And Carol County Preparedness Month,

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in coordination with National Preparedness Month provides an opportunity to highlight the important

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of individuals as they prepare for emergencies in their homes, businesses, schools, and communities.

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And the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and the Carell County Department of Emergency Management and Communication,

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urges all Carell County residents and business owners to take time during September.

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This month, to create an emergency supply kit, to make a family, or business emergency plan,

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to remain informed about different threats in the appropriate response to each, and to get involved in preparing their community.

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And their own homes for emergencies. Therefore, the Board of Academic Commissioners recognizes the importance of preparing for potential emergencies, and is proud to observe September 2026 with appropriate preparedness activities and do per claim that September 26 is preparedness month in Carroll County. So welcome, director Hawkins.

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Thank you, Commissioner.

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It works out very well that September is National Preparedist Month and Carol County Prepared

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this month now.

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It has started in 2004, was the actual first national preparedness month.

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I don't remember for sure whether the commissioners have been doing a proclamation for that

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many years.

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It's been a long time.

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I know it's been at least since I have been here.

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We certainly appreciate all of the support for getting the word out about public preparedness.

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I have with me here today, Jacob Hill, who is our assistant emergency manager, to my right

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is Grant Yoset, who is our emergency management technician, and Brian Kernan is our, he did

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move up forward. He is our leave for outreach of Grant and Brian have worked very hard over

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the past year or so to increase our public outreach, and this is part of that. I'll turn

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over to Jacob to talk a little bit more specifically about what folks can do in the community

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and how important it is for everybody to take a role in their personal preparedness.

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Yes, so National Preparedness Month is a great opportunity to take those small steps when

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they matter the most during an emergency and it's a good opportunity as well to reinforce that

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personal preparedness in general is not just an emergency management responsibility, it's a

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community wide responsibility, and effective emergency management relies on

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the prepared community. The theme for 2020-26 is America's stand-ready, I believe,

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and that really focuses on that self-preparedness, self-reliance, and the

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ability for communities to come together when they matter to most, which we do

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quite well here in Carol. In celebration of prepared this month, we are kicking off

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our fall offering of our ready-care preparedness citizens preparedness program,

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which is a free four-week program for community residents to come and learn about prepared us how to build a kit,

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how to build a, you know, emergency communications plan for their family, an escape plan.

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Things like that.

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We also have a partner coming in from Fireney and Master Talk about Fire Prevention, simply how to use a fire extinguisher and things like that.

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The third week we have our partners from the Sheriff's Office come in and talk about target hardening crime prevention.

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And then that fourth week we have some community volunteer organizations coming in and talking about what they do and and give them a chance to recruit community members. So that's a great opportunity.

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We encourage everybody to sign up and come and learn a little bit about emergency preparedness.

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You don't have to come to all four weeks, but we encourage you to do so.

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There's days are going to be the 9th, the 15th, the 23rd and the 30th at the Public Safety Training Center.

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And just as a reminder, even if you can't make ready-care, it is one of the options that you have.

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You can always go online.

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We have a Facebook page.

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We share a lot of preparedness information.

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There's a lot of information at ready.gov, which is the national level that's a DHS and FEMA website.

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But basically we want to make sure that people remember they need to make a plan, right, for their family.

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Just a little bit of planning.

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Jake mentioned, it doesn't take large actions, but small actions over time really make a difference.

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Make sure that especially if you have folks in your family or even in your community,

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maybe in the next door neighbor, you can help them learn or prepare.

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You can save some money on putting a preparedness kit together, right?

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So something's on sale, canned goods are on sale at the store, you know, buy one, get one

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for your reduced rate, do it a little bit at a time.

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and it's not as much of a lift.

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But those small actions really do make a really big difference

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when we have a community wide event,

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or even a smaller neighborhood level event.

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And if you have medical needs, if you rely on any type

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of medical equipment that requires electricity,

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make sure you're thinking about ahead of time,

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00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,560
how am I going to power that equipment

436
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,520
if I don't have commercial power?

437
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,360
And there's a lot of resources out there

438
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,200
that are available.

439
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:40,880
I mean, you can go out to the internet

440
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:45,200
and just do a Google search for battery-operated power supplies.

441
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,280
There's probably literally a million hits

442
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,180
that you'll get if you go out to Google and do that.

443
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:53,620
But look at your particular situation.

444
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:56,080
Look at when think about what you would do

445
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,360
if you didn't have water or if you didn't have power

446
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,960
we're both...

447
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:13,540
We talk about water and power a lot because they are propped and food, obviously. But those are the things that you really need to think about. How am I going to get through two or three days without having those items in place with my family? And then you take the steps to prepare for this.

448
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:14,800
And don't forget your pets.

449
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,500
And don't forget that.

450
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:26,940
Very well said. And I want to say thank you to you and everybody for what you do for us anyways. But also thank you for coming in to do this every month.

451
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:31,920
I think really is important that we are prepared, and the other interesting thing about it too,

452
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,600
and we've seen it with previous storms as well, when you're prepared, right, or disasters

453
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,820
that matter, whether they're man-made or whether they're natural, if you're prepared,

454
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:46,120
that means you're not taking away from emergency services, but the other aspect of it too,

455
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,460
in our county, and we see it every time that there's an issue, you have people civilian stepping

456
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:55,640
up to help with operations, and so when you're prepared to take care of yourself, you're

457
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,420
prepared to help other people as well.

458
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,620
So thank you very much for the reminder every year that this is important.

459
00:51:03,540 --> 00:51:04,960
Any other comments, sir?

460
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:06,520
Just thank you.

461
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,080
Thank you.

462
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,560
Thank you for your support.

463
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:09,780
Thank you.

464
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:10,620
What a wrap?

465
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:11,360
Let's do it.

466
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:12,860
I think we can do it now.

467
00:51:13,340 --> 00:51:13,520
I'm

468
00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:16,120
full.

469
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:21,160
Thank you.

470
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:44,510
You're okay, I'm not burning it.

471
00:51:45,350 --> 00:51:48,430
You're just slowing it down just from the back.

472
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:09,700
Thank

473
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:20,410
you.

474
00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:21,030
Thank you.

475
00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:24,370
Thank you.

476
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:37,630
All

477
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:49,100
right, up next on our agenda item number two, contract renewal for a evolved software

478
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:53,560
project docs registered trademark E plan S a a s.

479
00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:02,400
That's called s. Okay, the

480
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:05,420
office of

481
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:22,700
Chairman and cooperation with the Department of Technology Services requests your approval to renew the contract with a valve software for project docs e plan software as a service in the amount of 84,445 dollars in 80 cents this renewal amount is approved in the FY27 adopt the budget.

482
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,880
So I come morning commissioners.

483
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:26,260
Good morning.

484
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:35,460
Project Docs is an electronic plan review system that streamlines the process of plan submission, review, approval, and tracking.

485
00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:43,760
The electronic plan review enables better compliance with regulatory requirements and facilities quick access to relevant information.

486
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:56,240
The electronic plan submission and review allows internal reviewers, citizen customers, and all additional stakeholder and approval agencies to secure access to plans, documents, and storage data.

487
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:00,940
in a way that lets them work together more efficiently, exercise control, and leverage the value

488
00:54:00,940 --> 00:54:02,980
of the information they interact with.

489
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:06,520
That's the value of the software for the county.

490
00:54:07,340 --> 00:54:07,540
Awesome.

491
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:08,160
Thank you very much.

492
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:10,400
Are there any questions, comments or direction from the board?

493
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,660
Move the board of commissioners to renew the contract with the valve software for project,

494
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:21,060
docs, e-plan, SAS, and the amount of 84,445 dollars and 80 cents.

495
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,680
We have a motion to read a second.

496
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:23,140
Second.

497
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,580
We have a motion to read a second.

498
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,740
Is there any further discussion?

499
00:54:25,740 --> 00:54:34,300
And some I off the subject, but we had Carol Media here, and they complimented Gary Davis

500
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:40,400
who has been big with the connectivity between much of the county.

501
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:48,920
I want to thank you guys, kind of, before you, that was IT here, played a big part of that,

502
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:54,860
and it's not easy, but you've done well maintaining it.

503
00:54:54,860 --> 00:54:56,980
Thank you. Thank you very much, Commissioner.

504
00:54:58,820 --> 00:54:59,720
We have a motion. We have a second.

505
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,100
Any other discussion? Here are none. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much.

506
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:14,200
Thank you. All right. Up next item number three, exercise option to purchase through angland preservation in the state program or mouth.

507
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:26,240
The Aloha Farm LLC for Karen Hecht and Gregory Eden and Edward Harrison and Jill Turner. Good morning to you both. Good morning. Good morning, commissioners. Good to see everybody this morning.

508
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,140
Okay.

509
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:41,270
We'll just go there. Good morning again. We're here before you today. Let's talk about the Maryland

510
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:48,750
Agile and Preservation Foundation FY27 cycle, approval of applications. And these are the ones

511
00:55:48,750 --> 00:55:56,870
that have not been approved prior. Qualifications for the mouth program, 50% class 1, 2 and 3

512
00:55:56,870 --> 00:56:03,410
soils, at least 50 acres unless you're adjacent to an already preserved farm. And you have to have a minimum

513
00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:09,870
one lot right to retire. So all the applicants, all the farms are ranked using land

514
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:14,610
evaluation and site assessment scoring. At the state will use traditional

515
00:56:14,610 --> 00:56:19,350
appraisals to appraise the properties 40% cost share through an annual bond

516
00:56:19,350 --> 00:56:21,830
funding of 1.3 million from the county.

517
00:56:25,090 --> 00:56:28,170
So this year we sent down 682 acres

518
00:56:28,170 --> 00:56:35,050
total to be preserved to mouth total 14 farms. Five were critical farms and already

519
00:56:35,050 --> 00:56:41,070
received approval, six did not receive offers or rejected their offer and are reapplying

520
00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:47,550
with last year's cycle approval. Today we're seeking approval for three properties which

521
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:50,810
the Advisory Board approved on June 10th, 2026.

522
00:56:53,380 --> 00:56:56,560
The first farm is a low-half farm LLC located

523
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:06,380
at 7433 Woodbine Road in Woodbine, Maryland. The property is 102.54 acres with 82.9% qualifying

524
00:57:06,380 --> 00:57:12,760
soils and dislocated in the ag zone. We're retiring five lot rights in district four.

525
00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:16,240
This

526
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:22,620
is how the farm sits among other easements in the area. Once again, we're requesting final approval

527
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:31,940
for the mouth program for a low-half farm. 74-33 would buy in road 102.54 acres with 82.9%

528
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:35,620
qualifying soils in the ag zone, retiring five lights,

529
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,240
lot rights in district four.

530
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,380
Any comments?

531
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:40,980
Questions or direction from the board?

532
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:49,620
How do you decide whether it's a mouth, easement, or not?

533
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,560
Does the landowner request a certain one?

534
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,020
Do you decide it?

535
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,000
Does your board decide it?

536
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:57,580
How does that decision made?

537
00:57:57,580 --> 00:58:02,560
So sometimes the landowner will request a certain program.

538
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:08,000
Sometimes it may depend on their location or money that's available.

539
00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:12,920
There's a lot of different factors that can go into that.

540
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:13,860
Okay, thanks.

541
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:14,240
Sure.

542
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,480
Any other comments?

543
00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:16,880
Questions?

544
00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:18,040
Or direction from the board?

545
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,940
The board of commissioners grant final approval for the

546
00:58:20,940 --> 00:58:24,340
Aloha Forms LLC property to participate in the mouth program?

547
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:25,260
Second.

548
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:27,780
We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any further discussion?

549
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:29,980
Hearing none, all those in favor?

550
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,640
Aye. All those opposed?

551
00:58:32,100 --> 00:58:34,060
Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much.

552
00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:35,320
Thank you, commissioners.

553
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:40,580
The second farm we have today is the Edward Harrison and Jill Turner farm located at

554
00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:43,220
3,000 one flag marsh road in Mount Aery.

555
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:47,680
The farm was 111.43 acres, was 71.4.

556
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,280
71.3% qualifying soils and ag zone.

557
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:58,950
retiring eight lot rights from this farm is also in district four. This is how the farm is located

558
00:58:58,950 --> 00:59:06,870
related to other farms that are in preservation and again we're here today requesting final approval

559
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:13,710
for the mouth program the Edward Harrison and Jill Turner Farm 3031 flag marsh road in Mount

560
00:59:14,490 --> 00:59:23,710
111.43 acres, 71.3% qualifying soils in the ag zone, retiring eight lot rights in district 4.

561
00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:27,310
Any comments, questions or direction from the board?

562
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:35,470
Move the Board of Commissioners Grant Final approval for the Edward Harrison and she'll turn her property to participate in the mouth program.

563
00:59:36,130 --> 00:59:40,710
We've a motion. We've a second. Is there any discussion? Hearing none? All those in favor?

564
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:43,570
All right, all those opposed motion carging in,

565
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:45,050
and lastly, thank you very much.

566
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:46,910
Thank you again, commissioners.

567
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:49,830
Our last one for the mouth program is the Karen Hect

568
00:59:49,830 --> 00:59:54,890
and Gregory Eaton property located at 5701 Bethel Road

569
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:59,970
in Woodbine, 25.21 acres, 62%.

570
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,100
Qualifying soils is located in the conservation zone, retiring seven lot rights, and this is also located in District 4.

571
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:14,840
Do you count qualifying soils within trees?

572
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:23,380
Or is that one of the reasons this one's 62% because there is a firm amount of trees on this side?

573
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,420
It can, the trees really don't have anything to do with it.

574
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:29,340
So it's just underlying soils.

575
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:30,220
Okay.

576
01:00:30,220 --> 01:00:30,800
Yes, sir.

577
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:36,400
Sometimes we can get into the woodland groups if they need extra soils to qualify.

578
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,320
This farm did not need us to do that.

579
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:44,240
So it's probably just more of a class for soils down in that area.

580
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:52,760
So once again, we're requesting final approval for the Mouth Program for Karen Hecht and Gregory Eaton Farm.

581
01:00:52,760 --> 01:01:01,780
Okay, to 5701, Bethel Road, and Woodbine, 25.21 acres, 62 percent qualifying soils, located

582
01:01:01,780 --> 01:01:05,100
in the conservation zone, returning seven lot rights in District 4.

583
01:01:06,020 --> 01:01:09,720
Move the Board of Commissioners, Grand Final Approval for the Karen HECK, and Gregory

584
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,020
Eaton property to participate in the Mouth Program.

585
01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:13,340
Second.

586
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:14,300
We have a motion.

587
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:14,760
We have a second.

588
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:15,880
Is there any further discussion?

589
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:21,920
I'll just mention, I appreciate JP and Jackie, your work on these particular properties.

590
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:27,980
I know these things take some time and appreciate all your work to extend some of the

591
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:30,720
AG prayers down to that southwestern part of the county.

592
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:31,780
Thank you very much, Roy.

593
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:31,980
Sure.

594
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:37,540
If we're glad to get the applications really, so I think we have a few more different places.

595
01:01:37,980 --> 01:01:38,000
So.

596
01:01:38,060 --> 01:01:38,180
Good.

597
01:01:38,340 --> 01:01:38,860
Thank you.

598
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:39,400
Yeah.

599
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,720
I like seeing all the color together.

600
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:43,120
It's not that bad.

601
01:01:43,340 --> 01:01:44,160
That wants to do it.

602
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,540
But it's nice to see them.

603
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,400
We do too.

604
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,620
Thank you.

605
01:01:47,980 --> 01:01:49,340
Any other comments or questions?

606
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,380
here in all those in favor. All those opposed motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

607
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,160
Thank you. All right. Appreciate that.

608
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:03,200
Up next item number four exercise option to purchase the rural legacy program.

609
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:07,040
Conservation easement on the Jacob B. Fisher and Mary G. Fisher property.

610
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,440
All right. Here we go again.

611
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:18,340
The World Legacy Program is 100% funded by state grant funds from the Department of Natural Resources.

612
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:28,080
We have two rural legacy areas, the little-pipe rural legacy area, on the western side of the county, and the upper-patapska rural legacy area, on the eastern side of Carroll County.

613
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:37,800
That's a point-space, the praisel, a valuation, there are no souls, qualifications, and we can accommodate small, or large farms with this program.

614
01:02:40,780 --> 01:02:45,600
Today, we're working with Jacob Fisher and Mary Fisher, his wife.

615
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:51,900
The property is located in the Upper Tapska rural legacy area at 2200 Farement Road in

616
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:52,680
Hampstead.

617
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:58,300
It's 140.905 acres, who are retiring eight lot rights from the property.

618
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:07,000
The Farement Market value, the land only, was 1,474,201 dollars of 54 cents per the

619
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:14,980
legacy points based appraisal. The cost of the easement will be $1,131,941 in

620
01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:22,820
eight cents, which equates to $7,323,67 per acre, which is 70% of the fair market

621
01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:27,260
value. And this again is 100% state grant funds.

622
01:03:29,780 --> 01:03:31,320
Here's how the farm fits in with

623
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,320
other preserved farms in the area.

624
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,700
That's not so in place.

625
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:39,900
Make sure across the farm.

626
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:40,540
Beautiful.

627
01:03:44,780 --> 01:03:49,440
So once again, we request a final approval for the Jacob B Fisher and Mary G. Fisher property.

628
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:56,860
Located 2,200 fair amount road in Hampstead, 140.905 acres, retiring eight lot rates

629
01:03:56,860 --> 01:04:04,040
at a cost of 1 million, 31,941 in eight cents, which are all state grant funds.

630
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:07,440
Any comments, questions or direction from the board?

631
01:04:08,060 --> 01:04:15,140
Do you know, today, by the entire property, Mr. Fisher did by the height of your

632
01:04:15,140 --> 01:04:15,540
property.

633
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:24,720
All the way to Oots Road, and I know they got there before the winner and cooperated with

634
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,260
Oots Road on their snow fence.

635
01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:27,900
They're already good neighbors.

636
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:28,540
Good.

637
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:32,360
Did you want to make sure?

638
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,020
I can.

639
01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:36,760
since since this is the only one not in district four.

640
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,320
I moved the Board of Canada Commission's ex-size the option to purchase a royal legacy

641
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:49,740
program conservation easement on the Jacob B. Fisher and Mary G. Fisher property

642
01:04:49,740 --> 01:04:56,100
in the amount of 1,131,941 and eight cents.

643
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:59,960
We have a motion is there a second. We have a motion in a couple of

644
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:23,240
Seconds, is there any further discussion? Here are none. All those in favor? Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you both very much. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for yours. All right. Thank you, guys. Yep. Take care. All right. Up next, item number five, grant approval to submit application and acceptance of award for maintenance training for green storm water infrastructure.

645
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:27,880
Good morning to you both. Good morning.

646
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,180
So,

647
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:36,770
we are here this morning to ask your permission to submit and accept an grant.

648
01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:43,090
Grant should it be awarded from the Chesapeake Bay Trust Outreach and Restoration Grant Program.

649
01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:52,210
We are looking to sponsor the Chesapeake Bay Landscape Professionals level one class on green infrastructure training.

650
01:05:54,730 --> 01:06:01,390
The Chesapeake Landscape Professionals presented at one of our county trainings recently,

651
01:06:01,550 --> 01:06:04,470
just an overview of the services that they offered.

652
01:06:05,590 --> 01:06:11,270
And we felt it would be a very beneficial training to have here in the county, both for

653
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:17,610
county employees, municipal employees, as well as some private sector employees.

654
01:06:17,610 --> 01:06:27,890
So, we are applying for grant funds, $25,000 to host a two-day training for up to 45 attendees

655
01:06:28,450 --> 01:06:34,530
that will be trained on stormwater, best management practices, how to maintain those,

656
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:37,870
the importance of them, and what they provide.

657
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:44,610
The hope is that as we have a variety of stormwater practices throughout the landscape,

658
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:51,850
It's not a one-size-fits-all maintenance routine that needs to be done on those.

659
01:06:51,970 --> 01:06:58,970
And it'll help staff identify those maintenance needs when they come to a stormwater

660
01:06:58,970 --> 01:07:00,470
best management practice.

661
01:07:02,190 --> 01:07:05,690
So, this is a two-day conference seminar for lack of a better

662
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:05,950
word.

663
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:09,930
Are these like two 12-hour days because if they are, I'm going to recommend Tim Burke

664
01:07:09,930 --> 01:07:11,950
represent the county at this.

665
01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:14,430
is eight hours to eight hours days.

666
01:07:14,430 --> 01:07:15,350
To wait, you can do that.

667
01:07:15,410 --> 01:07:16,850
To wait eight hours days?

668
01:07:18,550 --> 01:07:19,290
Lunch and breakfast.

669
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:22,870
Is this classroom or field or a combination?

670
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:29,670
So it's our hope that we can offer the training out at Wakefield Valley so that we can

671
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:35,370
have a combination of class room and then with the park setting there, look at the BMPs

672
01:07:35,370 --> 01:07:36,590
that they have on site.

673
01:07:37,810 --> 01:07:38,710
There you go.

674
01:07:39,110 --> 01:07:39,350
Awesome.

675
01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:42,230
any other comments questions or direction from the board

676
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:45,450
the board of county commissioners approve this middle of the grant application

677
01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:48,170
acceptance of a word to the chesapeake

678
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:50,250
i read that right

679
01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:52,370
yeah yeah

680
01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:53,450
yeah i don't know why for a second

681
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:54,490
chesapeake bay

682
01:07:54,490 --> 01:07:59,230
trust outreach and restoration grant program for the maintenance training for green storm water infrastructure

683
01:07:59,230 --> 01:08:00,110
second

684
01:08:00,110 --> 01:08:02,950
we have a motion we have a second is there any further discussion

685
01:08:03,530 --> 01:08:04,930
hearing none all those in favor

686
01:08:04,930 --> 01:08:06,550
high all those opposed

687
01:08:06,550 --> 01:08:08,110
motion carries unanimously

688
01:08:08,110 --> 01:08:10,010
Thank you very much.

689
01:08:10,350 --> 01:08:12,230
All right, up next item number six,

690
01:08:12,450 --> 01:08:14,050
Grant's an approval to submit application

691
01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:16,610
and acceptance of award for willopond replanting.

692
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:21,830
Yes. So in November of 2022,

693
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:24,450
the county worked with the city of Westminster

694
01:08:25,390 --> 01:08:32,190
to plant trees in the area of the willopond storm water management facility.

695
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:36,450
Since the tree planting, some areas of the planting

696
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:44,670
have struggled to survive. The Department of Natural Resources was the funder of the original

697
01:08:44,670 --> 01:08:50,250
tree planting and they have since let us know that they have supplemental funding to help

698
01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:57,910
ensure the survivability of tree plantings and other projects that they provide funding to.

699
01:08:58,150 --> 01:09:04,880
So we would like to apply to replant an acre working with the City of Westminster to identify the

700
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:12,880
trees to get replanted to ensure the survivability and long-term maintenance of this area

701
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:18,700
to establish a forest in the end around the stormwater management facility.

702
01:09:21,060 --> 01:09:25,720
Was there anything specific that affected the trees the first round?

703
01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:32,800
So I think some of the types of trees that were planted did not do well in that upland setting

704
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:39,540
and then deer pressure is a natural, you know, force that the trees have to fight against.

705
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:46,920
So, the new public work director at the city of Westminster, we have met out there with her

706
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,540
and her staff, and she has some ideas for varieties that she would like to incorporate

707
01:09:51,540 --> 01:09:58,840
in this replanting of the area. Then we'll also ensure that we have taller tree tubes on there

708
01:09:58,840 --> 01:09:59,960
and that maintenance between...

709
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:08,120
Between the contractor that plants the trees and the city is done in a manner to help ensure long-term survivability

710
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,040
here. Thank you. We have the Board of Commissioners

711
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,760
approve the submittal of the grant application, acceptance of award to the Department of Natural Resources

712
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,740
Adaptive Management Program for the Willow Pondre Planning.

713
01:10:20,220 --> 01:10:25,020
Second. We have a motion. We have a second. Is there any other discussion? Hearing none? All those in favour?

714
01:10:25,460 --> 01:10:28,280
Aye. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

715
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,380
Thank you so much. Thank you both very much.

716
01:10:35,970 --> 01:10:45,190
All right, up next item number seven, request to amend the Carroll County FY-2027 program open space annual program for the town of Manchester.

717
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:47,090
Good morning. Good morning, Bob.

718
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,380
So I'm here before you this morning.

719
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:59,060
Back in June, the board approved our annual program for FY-207,

720
01:10:59,060 --> 01:11:08,680
Since which time the town of Manchester wanted to change their program, that was in the approved original approved one in June and they wanted to update that

721
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:17,340
Their refurbishment for the Christmas tree part-pond refurbishment and it's the same amount of money

722
01:11:17,340 --> 01:11:21,260
It's just a they wanted to go ahead and update their scope with every work one

723
01:11:21,940 --> 01:11:27,140
So I want to bring that before the board to go ahead and get approval to go ahead and amend her annual program for FY 27

724
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,160
Any comments, questions or direction from the board?

725
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,200
I just have a question about open space money in general.

726
01:11:33,980 --> 01:11:37,000
So the towns get thrown open space money and then we get open space money.

727
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:37,620
How's that work?

728
01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:43,680
So we get an allocation for each of the fiscal years of the county's allocation,

729
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:50,280
25% of it goes to 4 of the municipalities and they alternate that every other year.

730
01:11:50,620 --> 01:11:53,160
And then are they able to apply for other special?

731
01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:57,180
They have their things I know they can supply for special but how's that different from

732
01:11:57,180 --> 01:12:01,320
their well their eligible for like community parks and playgrounds that's only four

733
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,500
municipalities they can apply for that and I think they're very good about applying for

734
01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:09,040
that stuff which is yeah that's more competitive though for a community parks and

735
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,380
playgrounds it's very competitive I know I can't have always been least most of them

736
01:12:12,380 --> 01:12:17,840
very aggressive and going after that money and done a lot with it yeah thank you

737
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,580
welcome any other comments questions or direction from the board

738
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:28,960
move that the Board of County Commission has approved an amendment to the FYI 2027 program

739
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,800
open space annual program for the town of Manchester changing the project scope from

740
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:39,300
a new pavilion to to resurfacing the existing tennis courts with a pickleball overlay and

741
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:42,840
upon refurbishment at Christmas tree park and Piny Valley Park.

742
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:48,080
Second leave a motion leave a second is there any further discussion here none all those

743
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,640
in favor all those opposed motion carries unanimously.

744
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,000
Thank you very much, Bob.

745
01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:54,340
Thank you.

746
01:12:54,840 --> 01:13:00,900
Before we start the next subject, I'll get with you, but I actually got a voicemail early

747
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:08,440
this morning from Hampstead Lions about Leister Park and the pickle ball there and them

748
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:10,280
talking about wanting to coordinate.

749
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,320
So I'll look at it, talk to him, but I'll throw it in your lap.

750
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:15,860
Okay.

751
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:16,500
Thank you.

752
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:20,560
Alright, up next, I have number eight.

753
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,460
We will move into the work session for Recreation and Parks Field Restoration.

754
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:32,140
All right, we're going to have a little handouts for you.

755
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,340
That doesn't sound very recreational.

756
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:43,760
Thank you.

757
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,460
Is that different than this?

758
01:13:48,450 --> 01:13:48,570
Yes.

759
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:50,130
Yes.

760
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:51,550
Tell me what's wrong.

761
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:52,930
Thanks.

762
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:57,030
All right.

763
01:13:57,750 --> 01:14:02,030
Well, thank you for carving out time for us today.

764
01:14:03,550 --> 01:14:05,510
We do have a presentation for you

765
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:08,760
and I will.

766
01:14:10,180 --> 01:14:11,060
Just green.

767
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,260
It's Chris going to pull it up or on there.

768
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:23,920
It should be on the bottom or if you get it right there.

769
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:26,660
Everyone can see that?

770
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:28,500
Everybody hear me, okay?

771
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:37,160
So we're here today to kind of want to give you overview of the relationship that the Department

772
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:41,140
of Recreation and Parks has with our local recreation councils.

773
01:14:42,740 --> 01:14:44,620
I'll go over fairly quickly.

774
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,080
I think you guys probably have already seen it.

775
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,400
And then we will get into the big question with the fields.

776
01:14:52,140 --> 01:14:55,360
So you can see our mission up there, connecting people, parks and programs,

777
01:14:55,940 --> 01:14:59,680
and support a strong, healthy community and natural environment.

778
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:05,340
So, why we're here? Caril County Department of Recreation and Parks.

779
01:15:06,020 --> 01:15:07,120
I'm going to go to the next screen.

780
01:15:09,100 --> 01:15:10,220
Yes, there you go.

781
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:17,780
And our Recreation Councils have a long history of working together to provide quality recreation opportunities for communities.

782
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:25,900
As recreation needs continue to evolve, we need to assess our current model, identify challenges, and explore opportunities for improvement.

783
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:36,140
So the desired outcome is a clear understanding of where we are today, the challenges we face, and how we can create a stronger, more sustainable recreation system.

784
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:45,140
So our vision, we're committed to enhancing the quality of life, promoting a sense of community, facilitating life-long learning for all ages,

785
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:50,900
and abilities, and encouraging an appreciation of the natural environment and local history.

786
01:15:50,900 --> 01:15:57,080
So our philosophy of the department, we believe that recreation and leisure pursuits contribute

787
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:01,780
to the overall happiness, while being in quality of life for citizens of Carroll County.

788
01:16:02,260 --> 01:16:07,580
We are committed to preserving and protecting our natural and historical resources, and we

789
01:16:07,580 --> 01:16:13,380
will strive to provide quality opportunities within the constraints of our available resources.

790
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:21,520
So, that next slide slide for is just kind of a broad overview of our organizational chart.

791
01:16:22,180 --> 01:16:26,640
So, as you know, the director reports up to the Board of County Commissioners.

792
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:34,700
And underneath the director, we have two, we are our divisions, the vision of recreation, and the division of parks.

793
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:38,620
And underneath the division of parks, we have our community parks,

794
01:16:38,620 --> 01:16:40,260
have bigger farm facility,

795
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,860
hospital and bare branch in Pioneer Unpark,

796
01:16:43,420 --> 01:16:45,680
and then underneath the park side,

797
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,340
we have three recreation councils.

798
01:16:48,820 --> 01:16:50,620
We have the Carol County Question Council.

799
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:53,580
We have the Friends of Hospital, Bear Branch Council,

800
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:55,200
and then the Pioneer Unpark Council.

801
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,460
So then underneath the Division of Recreation,

802
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,840
we have the Sports Complex,

803
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:02,640
Charles Carroll Community Center,

804
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:05,500
Community Recreation, and Adaptive Recreation.

805
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:14,260
Also, underneath the division of recreation rests all the other volunteer recreation councils.

806
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:16,500
And we have eight youth recreation councils.

807
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:23,120
And then we also have community coordinators, six actually five part-time community coordinators.

808
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:27,120
And then off to the side, you'll see the Friends of Carol Recreation on Parks.

809
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:32,060
And they report to the division, and then which reports up to the department.

810
01:17:32,980 --> 01:17:41,000
So, you said five community coordinators, five part time, five part time threshold, they share some

811
01:17:41,620 --> 01:17:42,140
reconcils.

812
01:17:42,380 --> 01:17:44,320
No, and I'll get into that in a minute.

813
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:44,660
I can't.

814
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:45,240
I'm sorry.

815
01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:46,040
No, that's okay.

816
01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:54,620
So if you look at the next slide, slide five, so the eight volunteer reconcils, each of those

817
01:17:54,620 --> 01:18:01,300
as well as the ones that are on the parks, all have their 501c3 and they all have to have

818
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:06,200
elected executive board. And then underneath that they have program chairs or coordinators.

819
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,520
Those are the booths from the ground. Those are the people out there coordinating many volunteers

820
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:15,640
that we have. Then we have the volunteers. And then we have the program participants. Now,

821
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:23,840
the friends of Carol Recreation and Parks are their own 501c3. They existed before our

822
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:32,380
Councils were required to become a 501c3. So that served as a mechanism for fundraising

823
01:18:32,380 --> 01:18:36,880
for the Red Councils before they were required to become their own 501c3.

824
01:18:39,180 --> 01:18:40,480
So the history

825
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:47,080
under the Maryland and a dated code county governing bodies are authorized to establish volunteer

826
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:51,560
groups to support recreational parks programs and that's where the Board of Commissioners came in,

827
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,920
authorized these rent councils to exist.

828
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,920
So we have 11 community recreation councils serving

829
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,660
their local communities throughout the county.

830
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:03,160
This year in FY26, we had 300, I'm sorry,

831
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:06,200
3,100 and 96 volunteers.

832
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,480
And those aren't positions.

833
01:19:09,140 --> 01:19:10,460
Those are strictly volunteers.

834
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,960
So one of those people could be serving multiple roles

835
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,160
within a rent council.

836
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:18,580
A are youth focused.

837
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,240
And then we have Pioneer Unpark,

838
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:27,820
the Friends of Social Bear Branch, the question council, and then in 1995 that's when the

839
01:19:27,820 --> 01:19:32,500
Friends Group was formed. It was originally formed as the Care Association of Recreation

840
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:38,940
Councils, and then in 1999 it was renamed the Friends of Care and Recreation on Parks.

841
01:19:39,740 --> 01:19:51,380
And if you look at the overview on page 7, so we have our 11, 11 councils, 5 have an extra part time position.

842
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:59,880
Those five are Winfield Red Council, Westminster Area Red Council, Charles, I'm sorry, Central

843
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,120
General Recreation Council, North Carol Recreation Council,

844
01:20:06,380 --> 01:20:09,040
and did I say central? I said one field.

845
01:20:11,690 --> 01:20:14,610
Central, north, west,

846
01:20:14,750 --> 01:20:22,210
Carol has one. So those are the five that have the extra part-time position. And then as you

847
01:20:22,210 --> 01:20:27,830
know, the Board of County Commissioners appoint the Recreation and Parks Advisory Board.

848
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:36,330
They serve as a four-year term and they help advise the department which then helps advise the recreation council.

849
01:20:36,490 --> 01:20:38,790
So that's kind of like the flow chart.

850
01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:43,150
Anybody have any questions before I move on?

851
01:20:43,710 --> 01:20:45,670
Trish and Kyler did that answer your question?

852
01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:50,730
Yeah, yeah, and in the holler if you're going to cover it.

853
01:20:50,730 --> 01:21:00,530
But so the recomparks advisory board, they evaluate capital projects, they evaluate self-help projects.

854
01:21:00,770 --> 01:21:10,150
Self-help projects are funded all by us, and the self-help is funded is more money than us.

855
01:21:10,450 --> 01:21:10,630
Yes.

856
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:11,630
Okay.

857
01:21:11,970 --> 01:21:12,730
80%.

858
01:21:12,730 --> 01:21:13,190
80%.

859
01:21:13,190 --> 01:21:14,930
80% is funded by the council.

860
01:21:15,310 --> 01:21:16,230
It comes up with the remainder.

861
01:21:16,230 --> 01:21:24,250
Oh, yeah, but it's no open space money. The open space money is all cats and projects and and a quarrying property and they

862
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:28,410
They do a five-year plan evaluating that or

863
01:21:29,310 --> 01:21:35,870
Or let me in the advisor. We go each year for them. Usually that's in the July time friend

864
01:21:35,870 --> 01:21:38,950
They were we're going to bring it up for the following year. Okay

865
01:21:40,590 --> 01:21:45,290
Thank you. Okay. You must welcome. I love you said a question about staffing. How do you determine staffing?

866
01:21:47,010 --> 01:21:53,030
I just noticed it's a different, I mean, so is if I am a people, they serve how many programs, how does that determine?

867
01:21:54,330 --> 01:22:03,350
So originally, when this was prior to me, I believe all of the reconcils had a part-time position.

868
01:22:03,970 --> 01:22:13,770
And as things changed and needs changed and the process has changed, for example, they used to have to drive around and deliver flyers to schools,

869
01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:20,290
get use of facility form sign, there's a lot more involved than you see today where everything's

870
01:22:20,290 --> 01:22:26,930
electronic. So the department determined that there was not a need to have each of these part-time

871
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:34,090
positions with each of the councils. So as positions change, somebody left, they just weren't filled

872
01:22:34,090 --> 01:22:39,010
and were taken on by the rule of a full-time position. Does that answer your question?

873
01:22:39,010 --> 01:22:43,870
Well, I just was looking at it, it seemed like there's 11, you said there were 11, 1, 2, 3, 4.

874
01:22:44,890 --> 01:22:48,650
So they all have a part time and a part time and a full time.

875
01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:51,670
They all have a full time and only five have a part time.

876
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:54,390
So why is the only one that doesn't have a part time is freedom that's the biggest?

877
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:59,670
We were having a difficult time filling that position as a part time position.

878
01:23:00,130 --> 01:23:07,470
We recently just combined it with another part time position, so they will be getting a full time person to work with that council.

879
01:23:07,470 --> 01:23:09,050
And you're right, they are largest council.

880
01:23:09,190 --> 01:23:11,570
That's why I was wondering, I guess we've sort of been waiting

881
01:23:12,990 --> 01:23:16,330
for the allocation of the report about numbers of people

882
01:23:16,330 --> 01:23:16,870
in the program.

883
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:18,310
So is that going to come up with these?

884
01:23:18,330 --> 01:23:18,650
That's today.

885
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:19,610
That's this.

886
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:20,150
Yeah.

887
01:23:20,370 --> 01:23:21,850
So I didn't know if it was based on that,

888
01:23:21,850 --> 01:23:26,030
because there were a lot of different volumes of people

889
01:23:26,030 --> 01:23:26,570
to take care of.

890
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:28,010
That's why I did a few faces on volume,

891
01:23:28,110 --> 01:23:30,130
or you're based it just on everybody gets the same thing,

892
01:23:30,190 --> 01:23:30,970
no matter what the volume.

893
01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:33,390
Great.

894
01:23:33,970 --> 01:23:35,190
So that answer everything right now?

895
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:36,510
You add, yes.

896
01:23:36,610 --> 01:23:36,850
OK.

897
01:23:36,850 --> 01:23:42,790
great thank you and then historically and you mentioned it a little bit they had a lot more

898
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:50,250
duties some of the individual reconcils were supplementing the pay for some of the county was paying

899
01:23:50,250 --> 01:23:56,890
them and some of the individual reconcils actually paid them something to and I don't think that's

900
01:23:56,890 --> 01:24:02,490
happening anymore I don't believe that's happening anymore either yeah I don't believe that's

901
01:24:02,490 --> 01:24:11,690
anymore. Okay, if there's no more questions right now, I will move on. So our role as the department,

902
01:24:12,090 --> 01:24:16,950
recognizing that volunteer organizations joined together for the common interest of providing

903
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:22,630
recreational-based activities to their local community, we provide priority usage to the

904
01:24:22,630 --> 01:24:33,750
care accounting public schools and their facilities. We permit the use of county fields and county

905
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:38,450
board of county commissioners provide direction assistance in the operation of the recreation

906
01:24:38,450 --> 01:24:44,230
council provide basic mowing of the recreation and parks fields and we pay for electric

907
01:24:44,230 --> 01:24:45,930
use at any of the park sites.

908
01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:53,000
So the volunteer reconcils provide many, many benefits to the

909
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:59,420
citizens of Carroll County. The biggest benefit, I think, to having these volunteer run-based programs

910
01:24:59,420 --> 01:24:59,960
It's...

911
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,520
This is the reduced cost tax payers due to limiting paid staff to oversee programs and facilities.

912
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:12,160
They have the direct involvement of citizens, which we wouldn't be able to do the programming

913
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:17,020
that they do without the many, many volunteers that they have. They're able to use community-based

914
01:25:17,020 --> 01:25:22,500
funds for projects and ensure that they stay within that local community, and then they provide

915
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:28,280
the financial resources and volunteers necessary to support the successful operation and the delivery

916
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,740
of their program.

917
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:39,210
So recreation council goals and objectives. So all citizens in Carroll County

918
01:25:39,210 --> 01:25:44,170
who made the basic program registration requirements have a right to participate. All for

919
01:25:44,170 --> 01:25:50,370
recreational opportunities at a reasonable cost. And I kind of want to highlight the recreational

920
01:25:50,370 --> 01:25:58,910
opportunities because that goes back to one of our philosophies of recreation and leisure opportunities

921
01:25:58,910 --> 01:26:06,450
tie into the overall happiness and well-being of citizens, so that recreational aspect is extremely

922
01:26:06,450 --> 01:26:12,230
important. Recruit volunteers who can act as role models, mentors and facilitators,

923
01:26:13,150 --> 01:26:17,690
programs, practice games, and other events should be enjoyable, challenging, and a learning

924
01:26:17,690 --> 01:26:22,090
experience. Volunteer coaches, referees and others, and leadership position,

925
01:26:22,530 --> 01:26:26,290
shall lead by example through the promotion of fair play and good sportsmanship.

926
01:26:26,290 --> 01:26:31,590
And program should always focus on the enjoyment of the sport and not the score or winning.

927
01:26:32,150 --> 01:26:35,970
And I know that's sometimes hard because a lot of competitive people out there.

928
01:26:36,090 --> 01:26:37,310
I just question on this slide.

929
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:42,250
So the first one says all citizens in Carol County who meet up, but how do we do it?

930
01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:45,550
Some of these councils have people from other counties playing.

931
01:26:45,630 --> 01:26:50,650
How do you prioritize the Carol County citizens versus somebody out from the other counties?

932
01:26:51,810 --> 01:26:52,710
I'm going on the board.

933
01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:55,230
I mean, I know like Binary as some overflow and I know we have.

934
01:26:55,230 --> 01:27:04,030
I'm going to give you an analogy that our previous director Jeff digots always used when we talked about our local recreation councils.

935
01:27:05,150 --> 01:27:14,090
So he always said that we give them the framework, it's like we give them the house and it's up to them how they decide they're going to paint it or what they're going to put in the house.

936
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:22,450
So we've never told them how to operate their program, what programs to run, when they should be running them.

937
01:27:22,450 --> 01:27:26,490
We've always let that be determined by the local area

938
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:27,730
and the local area needs.

939
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:30,950
Now I will say that for the department,

940
01:27:31,310 --> 01:27:34,010
when we go out and do community recreation,

941
01:27:34,570 --> 01:27:38,090
we open our registration two weeks prior to anybody

942
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:41,010
that is outside of Carroll County.

943
01:27:41,630 --> 01:27:43,410
We've not made that a requirement.

944
01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:46,090
So you said outside of Carroll County.

945
01:27:46,210 --> 01:27:47,470
So you two weeks prior.

946
01:27:48,110 --> 01:27:51,750
So Carroll County residents have two weeks before anybody

947
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:57,270
outside. So they have priority to register for programs. We've never made that a requirement

948
01:27:57,270 --> 01:28:01,630
of the recreation council. Do we have a problem that some folks can't get in?

949
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:05,690
I just thought

950
01:28:05,690 --> 01:28:10,350
I remember one of your events, somebody was having a chance because that human area is, you know,

951
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:15,850
a part of our own part of it, part of the county, and we want to make sure that the Carroll County

952
01:28:17,810 --> 01:28:25,530
I can speak to the fact that we've recently required any program that is a part of a

953
01:28:25,530 --> 01:28:32,930
REC Council that is not a true county REC Council program to sign an MOU.

954
01:28:33,390 --> 01:28:36,990
And we have several out there that are their own 501 seed threes.

955
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:42,790
And they are part of the REC Council so they can get use of fields and use of school facilities.

956
01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:59,410
Mount Mary Youth Athletic Association is one of them, and they've signed an MOU which took effect in September that they had to open registrations to county residents first before they opened them to outside organizations.

957
01:29:00,230 --> 01:29:01,750
Let's see if we want to share some fields on further organic.

958
01:29:01,810 --> 01:29:06,490
We have the opposite problem. We don't have any fields, so our kids are going to Howard County.

959
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:10,150
I guess they've got plenty to welcome us because I don't know that people are getting turned away.

960
01:29:10,150 --> 01:29:15,090
Well, and I do know that they have to pay for those fields in Frederick County, they don't, they don't get them for free.

961
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:18,430
So, should. May is not getting them for free.

962
01:29:18,710 --> 01:29:19,050
They have.

963
01:29:20,630 --> 01:29:25,330
So, they're, their, their citizens come in and use our fields and we don't charge them extra.

964
01:29:25,490 --> 01:29:26,690
We have to pay to use their fields.

965
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:33,310
It seems like if they're, if we're going to open registration of their folks is usually higher registration to cover the,

966
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:35,250
we have to get their fields for.

967
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:43,670
I see what you're saying, where you are, as a resident of Monterey and myself, I live off of Main Street.

968
01:29:43,890 --> 01:29:47,550
I'm a Frederick County resident, right across the street is a Carroll County resident.

969
01:29:47,650 --> 01:29:54,350
It's very difficult down there in the Mount Ery community, because there's four counties that come in and merge there.

970
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:59,970
I'm just suggesting that if we're going to welcome those folks in, they shouldn't charge us for the field, it's because we're...

971
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,820
That's up to them, but I think that also comes down to perhaps the cost of doing business.

972
01:30:08,140 --> 01:30:13,560
So if if Mount Ayrion knows that I'm going to have to pay extra to rent these fields or rent

973
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:19,540
these gym space then unfortunately that's passed on to the user, the person who's participating

974
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:23,840
in the program. So it's part of a little bit like a child gym space. That's what I'm saying.

975
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,580
We don't charge. I understand, I understand what you're saying.

976
01:30:28,700 --> 01:30:29,800
It's a tricky thing.

977
01:30:31,660 --> 01:30:32,580
It's very tricky.

978
01:30:32,580 --> 01:30:32,680
It's very tricky.

979
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:34,140
I don't know about the rest counts.

980
01:30:34,300 --> 01:30:38,680
But I do know in Howard County, they have a resident discount they call it for the adult.

981
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,980
I know we have a lot of people play a pickle ball to come from Howard County, Baltimore County.

982
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:48,120
But in Howard County, you look up their places, first of all, they're more expensive.

983
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,460
But they have, they call it a discount versus charging people out of County more.

984
01:30:51,540 --> 01:30:52,900
They have a discount for in County.

985
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:54,580
They do it.

986
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:57,040
They do it kind of opposite than we do.

987
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,920
Well, it's almost better to call something.

988
01:30:59,400 --> 01:30:59,620
Just count.

989
01:30:59,660 --> 01:31:00,460
You get a discount.

990
01:31:00,460 --> 01:31:00,520
It's just getting a discount.

991
01:31:01,060 --> 01:31:01,380
It's just getting a discount.

992
01:31:01,380 --> 01:31:03,560
I'm going to be a pressure counting.

993
01:31:03,780 --> 01:31:07,180
I'll say the same problem with that as well because you's not the facilities, but they

994
01:31:07,180 --> 01:31:08,160
have to pay as well.

995
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:09,100
No, you understand what I'm saying.

996
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:12,180
I just thought you was going to make sure that we've got limited space.

997
01:31:12,860 --> 01:31:15,520
And if they're going to charge us for it, you want to make sure that we're getting

998
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:16,040
some equity.

999
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:16,600
Right.

1000
01:31:16,980 --> 01:31:17,400
Equity back.

1001
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:18,580
It shouldn't be for the student necessarily.

1002
01:31:18,860 --> 01:31:22,160
But they would incentivize the county to, um,

1003
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:24,320
we're not doing it for the charge.

1004
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,620
Otherwise it can't even have the charges for the fields.

1005
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:28,600
And I will say that generally speaking,

1006
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:33,040
I believe that if you are looking at the recreational opportunities,

1007
01:31:34,620 --> 01:31:36,320
the ones that aren't the club sports

1008
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,300
or the highly competitive programs,

1009
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,780
those kids are going to be playing where their friends are.

1010
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,060
So they're going to be playing with their friends

1011
01:31:44,060 --> 01:31:45,280
that they go to school with.

1012
01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:50,920
So I think you're looking at perhaps the higher level club sports

1013
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:54,980
or those other offers program opportunities

1014
01:31:54,980 --> 01:31:56,560
and offerings from the Red Councils

1015
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,040
where you may be getting out of county participants

1016
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,760
coming in based on the level of the team

1017
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:06,360
or maybe even the programs not being offered somewhere

1018
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,040
and where they're only in place where they can get it.

1019
01:32:10,260 --> 01:32:12,240
Rugby comes to mind, I don't know a lot of.

1020
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,040
It's a new sport, everybody's playing, girls are playing,

1021
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:15,640
I think too.

1022
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,600
All right, slide 11, I believe, is where we are.

1023
01:32:21,460 --> 01:32:32,400
So, volunteer recreation council governance and structure, recreation councils are directed by the Department of Recreation and Parks, which followed guidelines from risk management in the county attorney.

1024
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:45,300
They have to have established bylaws and have an elected board, establish membership and voting requirements, establish procedures to amend their constitution and their bylaws, follow their approved meeting dates times and locations.

1025
01:32:45,300 --> 01:32:53,040
These are all open meetings anybody from the community is able to participate in these these meetings and the executive board

1026
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:59,140
must approve all new programs or extensions of programs and that last bullet point is

1027
01:32:59,700 --> 01:33:01,700
in my opinion critical because

1028
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:10,860
that board that right council knows what space they have what space they have available and how bringing in something new may impact

1029
01:33:10,860 --> 01:33:14,480
so I have an example we had a

1030
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:24,460
softball program that was their traditional spring sport and they wanted to move to year

1031
01:33:24,460 --> 01:33:29,580
round. So they started advertising and taking registrations for a year around sport, not

1032
01:33:29,580 --> 01:33:35,040
realizing that football was in the outfield and the fall. And then at the last minute their

1033
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:44,460
scrambling trying to find space had these discussions been talked about internally within the

1034
01:33:44,460 --> 01:33:50,240
you know, how to mitigate that and probably share the space or a realist, oh wait, you know,

1035
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:54,250
we don't have our normal fields around to figure out where else we're going to need to go.

1036
01:33:56,890 --> 01:34:01,690
So risk management compliance, so a full-time employee is required to attend the

1037
01:34:01,690 --> 01:34:06,650
recreation council meetings. All council volunteers who have contact with youth, handle money,

1038
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:13,170
or hold a board position must undergo an annual background check. Volunteer training, we require

1039
01:34:13,170 --> 01:34:18,530
every three years for program chairs, coordinators or board members. And those are the ones that I call like

1040
01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:24,670
that are out there leading other volunteers. So if you imagine you have a coordinator that's coordinating

1041
01:34:24,670 --> 01:34:31,330
soccer and they have 20 adult parent volunteers, that coordinator needs to go through the training,

1042
01:34:31,610 --> 01:34:36,070
not the 20 adult volunteer parents that are just coaching. So that they understand all the

1043
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:42,870
requirements such as accident reporting and the heat index, daily heat index information that

1044
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:44,930
goes out and those types of things.

1045
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:51,910
They have to review and this is self-paced, child abuse, neglect training, concussion management,

1046
01:34:52,210 --> 01:34:54,110
stop the bleed and hands only CPR.

1047
01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:59,950
Those are online courses, it takes five to ten minutes to watch a video if they want to get

1048
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:21,220
They have the ability to get a first aid CPRAD training through the department. They have to sign and abide by the code of conduct. That's for volunteers and the parents. The volunteers need to sign the county waiver and then inspect the equipment fields and facilities before they're used to make sure it is safe for their participants.

1049
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:28,380
So use the facilities, let me go back to, this is the one.

1050
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:32,020
So use the facilities, this is, if you want to look at section one and your folder,

1051
01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:34,460
you'll

1052
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:39,260
see the Carol County Department of Regression and Parks Priority use the school facilities

1053
01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:44,300
among recreation councils and then behind it, you'll see what we call the home schools

1054
01:35:44,300 --> 01:35:45,020
and facilities.

1055
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:50,220
So those are the facilities that are assigned to each recreation council.

1056
01:35:50,220 --> 01:35:54,940
So, each recreation council and program must work through their assigned community coordinator

1057
01:35:54,940 --> 01:35:58,840
or their full-time liaison to request your facilities.

1058
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:05,820
And that's because, you know, I don't know if, you know, Mrs. Smith volunteer coach for

1059
01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:09,540
a basketball program, what council she may work with.

1060
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,700
So, it needs to go through the proper channels to request that.

1061
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,600
Council programs are assigned to their local facilities, which is that document.

1062
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:39,840
Council programs will also cure private facilities, so department staff will not help them get any private facilities, so if they're renting private facilities, they'll need to schedule that and then make arrangements for rental payment and then each council is responsible for managing all aspects of its programs and a safe effective and responsible manner.

1063
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,560
I'm going to ask you a question about some of these.

1064
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:49,360
So when these schools are, obviously all different, I know there's some that have child care.

1065
01:36:50,060 --> 01:36:50,660
They do daycare.

1066
01:36:50,860 --> 01:36:51,580
Like in the winter gym.

1067
01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:52,660
So they can't get in.

1068
01:36:52,700 --> 01:36:53,300
They can't get in.

1069
01:36:53,300 --> 01:36:54,100
After school programming.

1070
01:36:55,060 --> 01:36:58,040
So how do you balance that out?

1071
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,160
Let's see basketball season.

1072
01:36:59,740 --> 01:37:03,260
How do you know if there's really availability for the programs for the council?

1073
01:37:03,620 --> 01:37:03,840
Okay.

1074
01:37:04,020 --> 01:37:07,500
If the school has daycare, let's say the daycare, last school, sixth, third, instead of sixth,

1075
01:37:08,020 --> 01:37:08,760
or I don't know the timing.

1076
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,860
but you have done this for so long practices,

1077
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,220
let's see practices in an hour.

1078
01:37:14,540 --> 01:37:16,060
So Carol, so Carol County Public Schools

1079
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:18,260
have priority use of their own facilities.

1080
01:37:20,060 --> 01:37:23,720
So they move to an online scheduling process.

1081
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,060
It's called event manager.

1082
01:37:26,380 --> 01:37:28,960
And anybody from the community can go on

1083
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,620
and see the forward facing calendar

1084
01:37:30,620 --> 01:37:32,720
at any school and see what is scheduled

1085
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,540
in that school during that day,

1086
01:37:34,540 --> 01:37:38,100
time a week, be it inside or on the fields.

1087
01:37:39,140 --> 01:37:45,440
So once the school system gets there usage into that calendar, we've requested we have deadlines

1088
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:51,040
on one, we have to request our space by and it's either approved or denied based on the

1089
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,960
availability of space.

1090
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:58,860
So if there's an after school program and they're in a gym until 536 o'clock, we're

1091
01:37:58,860 --> 01:38:01,240
and they'll start to 6, 15, 6, 30.

1092
01:38:02,260 --> 01:38:08,040
We also find that, especially in elementary schools, that if there is, let's say there's

1093
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:14,080
a performance on a stage or an auditorium, it may be affecting parking at the facility.

1094
01:38:14,440 --> 01:38:22,240
So we're blacked out because they have a program going on on the school and the gym may not

1095
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:26,380
be used, but there's no place for our participants to park to get into the facility.

1096
01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:32,540
So, we run into that, and as well as, I don't know if you've heard about the little equipment

1097
01:38:32,540 --> 01:38:34,180
that travels through the elementary schools.

1098
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:40,660
So, it is this gym contraption that takes a while to put up, so it goes in a gym.

1099
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,860
It's there for two weeks, and then it's taken down and moved to another school for two weeks.

1100
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,280
And we get the calendar.

1101
01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:52,940
We can get the calendar from Carol County Public Schools, but it hits every elementary school.

1102
01:38:52,940 --> 01:39:02,520
And generally speaking, I believe it affects the same rent councils yearly because that's when they're scheduled.

1103
01:39:02,820 --> 01:39:06,760
So for example, central carol, you know, every winter they get it.

1104
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:13,600
It's not like the school is saying, okay, you know, Sandy Mount had this one or let's put it at a freedom school.

1105
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,000
They don't rotate. They don't rotate.

1106
01:39:15,020 --> 01:39:20,380
It rotates around, but I don't think they rotate seasonally. Does that make sense when saying?

1107
01:39:20,380 --> 01:39:25,500
What I'm trying to figure out is if, this has came to my attention, that certain schools

1108
01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:31,300
have daycare, I guess, are they for profit daycares, that they actually get the space and

1109
01:39:31,300 --> 01:39:32,120
they get it?

1110
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:36,680
Yeah, I can't answer that, I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you're right, I don't believe

1111
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,120
the schools are running it, I think they've just contracted it out.

1112
01:39:40,260 --> 01:39:44,460
So obviously we need the schools for these practices, and if they're not available to, they're

1113
01:39:44,460 --> 01:39:47,800
available at different times, let's say one is available at six, but this one has a contract

1114
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:55,280
630. Is there any way that we can make sure that there is similarity between schools,

1115
01:39:55,660 --> 01:39:58,920
when they're doing the analytics. Schools is what does the contract or the actual school does

1116
01:39:58,920 --> 01:39:59,960
it, because...

1117
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,740
Well, if I'm not understanding it, shortens the time amount of practice time that they have available

1118
01:40:06,740 --> 01:40:11,600
to school because they're different. So, this I'll just go might say it's 6, 30, just say it's 6,

1119
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:16,040
because they want to have time to clear out. And if they could just maybe get them out of the gym and say,

1120
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:21,260
hey, can you go stand? If somebody's late picking them up, they still hold up the gym. So, they can't schedule it.

1121
01:40:21,340 --> 01:40:27,160
So, it'd be nice if we could have some discussion with the school system to make sure that they at least realize

1122
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:31,920
that the kelp impact and the kelp they're having and if they're only you know they could just

1123
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:38,000
get them out there by six and then you could even or even if you know they they moved to the

1124
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,820
cafeteria where they're not in the gym and they're doing board games or something where it

1125
01:40:42,820 --> 01:40:46,940
be you know they don't have to have that opportunity in the winter time when they're doing basketball

1126
01:40:46,940 --> 01:40:52,580
whatever the schedules are but I just think there there there should be an opportunity to have

1127
01:40:52,580 --> 01:40:55,700
the discussion with them about they're holding up the whole gym for a handful of kids because

1128
01:40:55,700 --> 01:41:00,060
I haven't been picked up yet and they can't schedule a practice, so then you can only get

1129
01:41:00,060 --> 01:41:04,180
two teams in one hour and then if you do it two late for elementary school kids, it's

1130
01:41:04,180 --> 01:41:07,860
passed our bedtime. So you have a very short window and that's a concern that I've heard

1131
01:41:07,860 --> 01:41:11,800
that it seems to be different and maybe they're not aware of it and if they school system

1132
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,380
will be aware and say, hey, you can only hear it. I'm making the number up. I'm not sure if

1133
01:41:15,380 --> 01:41:19,480
it's six or not but it would be some consistency so that they could get their full school.

1134
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:23,460
They'd have equal time and all the schools that supposedly are assigned to them.

1135
01:41:23,460 --> 01:41:28,860
Right, I can certainly have that discussion with the Board of Education, or my contact with Carol

1136
01:41:28,860 --> 01:41:29,500
County, obviously.

1137
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:33,620
Just to say would just be like a cognizant of that, and if it's possible, if it's just

1138
01:41:33,620 --> 01:41:37,140
a handful of kids in there that they could ask them to go to the cafeteria or go just sitting

1139
01:41:37,140 --> 01:41:41,280
a lobby for the last 15 minutes, so that they could actually have their full, a lot of time.

1140
01:41:42,180 --> 01:41:43,320
I can certainly do that.

1141
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,280
Any other questions on that slide?

1142
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:51,440
I don't want to resumask that because I found out that the wreck leaks for many, many years,

1143
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:53,700
But when I hear some of these costs,

1144
01:41:54,100 --> 01:41:55,540
these parents are paying to play basketball

1145
01:41:55,540 --> 01:41:56,480
because we have to rent space.

1146
01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:58,420
I get a church on an $85 registration.

1147
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,420
You should be like 15, but I'm dating myself.

1148
01:42:01,620 --> 01:42:04,840
But $185 seemed like a lot, and if you have two kids,

1149
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:06,740
it's a lot of money, because they have to rent space.

1150
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,380
And for a wreck, we should be able to provide space.

1151
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,720
And if we can free up some of the,

1152
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:12,640
I'm not sure how much it is,

1153
01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:14,620
but if we can free up some of that elementary space,

1154
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:16,940
and let the practices be.

1155
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:19,300
And it really should only be the elementary schools

1156
01:42:19,300 --> 01:42:21,900
that we're the after school is happening.

1157
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:22,980
Yes, okay.

1158
01:42:25,540 --> 01:42:28,700
The next slide is just what I'm not going to go into details.

1159
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:30,700
This is just one, again, an inventory,

1160
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,420
just in a different view.

1161
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:33,820
So it's kind of chunked.

1162
01:42:33,960 --> 01:42:39,060
So you can see the rent console and the number of sites

1163
01:42:39,060 --> 01:42:40,480
that they have.

1164
01:42:40,820 --> 01:42:43,220
One thing to note, there are some shared sites

1165
01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:44,540
with other rent consoles.

1166
01:42:45,460 --> 01:42:51,420
Littensprings Community Room is a shared space at Littensprings Elementary School.

1167
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:58,380
Littensprings Elementary School is shared between Winfield Recreation Council and Freedom Recreation Council.

1168
01:42:58,940 --> 01:43:04,780
I will say that they share the fields, but the gym use at Littensprings is 100% Winfield.

1169
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:13,940
Another shared facility is Century High School, and that is shared between both Winfield and Freedom Area Recreation Council.

1170
01:43:13,940 --> 01:43:20,720
And then we have Parts Ridge Elementary School and Moundary, which is shared by Woodbind

1171
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:25,740
Rett Council, which is where Moundary Youth Athletic Association resides and the Windfield

1172
01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:26,660
Recreation Council.

1173
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:34,580
I'd also like to say that the high schools with the programs that they have, we do get

1174
01:43:34,580 --> 01:43:39,920
limited space in the gyms and in the high school and on their playing fields, basically

1175
01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,880
because of the programs that they have that they're running.

1176
01:43:44,660 --> 01:43:53,080
On the facilities, in the book, you list Panther Plex under North Carolina Records,

1177
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:55,720
so I don't think you have it on the slide.

1178
01:43:56,060 --> 01:43:58,080
Thank you for pointing that out.

1179
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:03,840
So the Panther Plex, as you know, was the North Carolina High School, and it was sold,

1180
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:11,860
And we had an agreement to pay rental usage for the North Carolina Council for five years.

1181
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:17,240
So we are coming up on, we've paid five or four and a half years.

1182
01:44:18,020 --> 01:44:27,140
So the end of this calendar year, not fiscal year, but the end of this calendar year should be the end of that payment period.

1183
01:44:27,140 --> 01:44:32,760
So if the North Carolina Council is going to continue to utilize that space, they will need

1184
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:34,580
to pay for it and rent it.

1185
01:44:34,700 --> 01:44:36,800
And that will be under private.

1186
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:38,480
That would then be under private.

1187
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:39,460
I don't want to illustrate it anymore.

1188
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:40,880
The Council has to.

1189
01:44:41,500 --> 01:44:43,860
The Council has been organizing it.

1190
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:46,960
We've just been paying that bill.

1191
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:47,320
Yeah.

1192
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:48,840
And it's confusing.

1193
01:44:50,420 --> 01:44:54,500
And unfortunately, they had it sold and that fell through.

1194
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:57,540
I'm actually the group for the Department of Deposit.

1195
01:44:58,480 --> 01:44:59,960
They're ready to try to sell it.

1196
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,340
Again, but in theory, the agreement will be up before, because I was worried, does that agreement pass to a new owner?

1197
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:16,000
But that's the only half a year left, it's probably not an issue. And then you list,

1198
01:45:16,980 --> 01:45:24,220
Lester Park, which doesn't really have much facilities. It's a park, but it's more of a passive and pickle bill.

1199
01:45:24,220 --> 01:45:39,400
So, licerapark does have one multi-purpose field, but because of the regulations and the access and the availability of parking, it cannot be used for competition, so it can only be used for practice.

1200
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:44,400
And I will say that North Carol has started using that space.

1201
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,880
They've realized that they need that space.

1202
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:59,600
And I'm not 100% sure if it's because they're not using the Panther Plex. I'm not sure the Panther Plex kept those fields up and usable.

1203
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:03,920
I do think that they were mostly using the gym space.

1204
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:14,500
that their original attention, intention was to upgrade those fields, and I'm hoping a new owner

1205
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:20,060
maybe wants to do that, but the current owner isn't interested in field use. People walk

1206
01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:29,080
the track, and when Ron Schroers was there, they had some football games and all in the stadium,

1207
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:45,020
and he focused on a little more, of course, he's been gone for a few years, so yeah, it's private, but like you say, it was a past commissioners put a, put a agreement in, so it's coming, coming to the end.

1208
01:46:45,260 --> 01:46:58,800
Okay, thank you. If you want to turn to section two, this is just another inventory of county fields that is separated by what are multipurpose fields and what are baseball softball or

1209
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:04,940
what our rent councils I've identified as small-sided multi-purpose fields, meaning you can't

1210
01:47:04,940 --> 01:47:10,200
have like a 11v11 soccer game on it, but you could have little kid clinic, you know, preschool

1211
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:19,960
or grade school kids playing on it. And then also shows the lighted fields that each council may have

1212
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:24,440
at their disposal, and there are not very many lighted fields out there. So of course the lighted

1213
01:47:24,440 --> 01:47:30,660
with allow extended use on on a grass field versus, you know, when the sun goes down.

1214
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:38,910
And that's just something you guys can look at at some point in time. If you have any questions about that.

1215
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:47,830
So the field inventory conditions, we asked the rent councils to come back and give us, and this is

1216
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:52,530
section three, what they thought their fields were.

1217
01:47:52,730 --> 01:47:56,550
And we also had them rate the Board of Ed fields.

1218
01:47:56,570 --> 01:48:00,270
So we had them rate them fair, good, poor, or not usable.

1219
01:48:01,050 --> 01:48:05,350
And as you go through your packet, it's broken out by rent

1220
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:11,950
council and then on the left side shows the parks that

1221
01:48:11,950 --> 01:48:15,130
county parks and then on the right side are the school parks.

1222
01:48:16,210 --> 01:48:19,770
And it also will show you the size of those fields.

1223
01:48:20,130 --> 01:48:25,930
So just kind of, that kind of matches up with that last document, that's that you looked at.

1224
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:31,170
And again, it's just please note that this is not something we went in and evaluated.

1225
01:48:31,610 --> 01:48:36,530
We asked the councils to evaluate what they thought the conditions of each of their fields were.

1226
01:48:36,710 --> 01:48:41,590
And I think that will come into play later when we get all the rent councils together.

1227
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:45,030
How does it work when it's a school-owned field and it's important?

1228
01:48:45,310 --> 01:48:47,350
A lot of these school-owned fields look like they're in poor shape.

1229
01:48:48,030 --> 01:48:50,050
So how do we deal with that when it's a school-owned field?

1230
01:48:50,770 --> 01:48:53,470
The school will not do any maintenance on their fields,

1231
01:48:54,270 --> 01:48:59,650
especially the middle schools and elementary schools because they're not using it as...

1232
01:49:00,230 --> 01:49:03,290
They're using it as a PE field for physical education.

1233
01:49:03,490 --> 01:49:05,630
They're not out there using it as a playing field.

1234
01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:08,650
So do they allow the reconcils to improve the fields?

1235
01:49:08,750 --> 01:49:09,730
They would, yes.

1236
01:49:09,730 --> 01:49:14,810
But it would be expect them to it would be at it would be at the Red Council's cost

1237
01:49:14,810 --> 01:49:24,290
Your original joint use agreement, which was the facility use agreement in the old days was based on the fact that the

1238
01:49:24,290 --> 01:49:29,990
Red Council's did a lot of improvements at the high schools and the middle schools

1239
01:49:30,930 --> 01:49:35,990
And therefore that's why they got priority usage and hopefully it's still the same way

1240
01:49:37,250 --> 01:49:39,010
North Carol High School

1241
01:49:39,010 --> 01:49:45,010
Well, every schoolman, man, Val, North Carolina recounts was probably rebuilt the fields.

1242
01:49:45,090 --> 01:49:51,730
Our joke used to be when they did spring garden, they do fields for visit.

1243
01:49:53,170 --> 01:49:59,950
And then we make them, and we even talk to the school system about some, they put up.

1244
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:28,980
Backstops for a softbow field that aren't good enough to use for a competitive game. So we replace them. And we got to the point that we'd say just don't put a backstop up if we're going to do a minimal one and etc. The cell phone projects in the old days did a lot of taught lots. They've gotten, I remember when cell phone changed from 15 grand to 25 grand so it could fund a taught lot.

1245
01:50:28,980 --> 01:50:38,180
Well, that's a fun to talk a lot more, you know, so yeah, they expect them at North

1246
01:50:38,180 --> 01:50:44,480
Carroll we built a dugout, we did the back stops, we did the ball by diamond mix, the

1247
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:50,860
AD would call the council and CJ Miller wrote all the fields for free in that area.

1248
01:50:50,860 --> 01:50:58,880
I'm sure contractors do it in the other areas and some of the contractors like White

1249
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:07,280
in the hamster, they'll help with ball diamond mix and grading for a little backstop or something.

1250
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,060
Some of that they do free.

1251
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:17,020
It's convoluted, but it's back to our volunteers and care counties.

1252
01:51:17,020 --> 01:51:25,040
What all they do and if we don't watch it, we're going to develop a hybrid system about

1253
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:36,100
EMS where we've got paid people and paid money and volunteers competing, you know, you

1254
01:51:36,100 --> 01:51:43,160
said, and I like that you said you do basic mowing and our joke about that is they

1255
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:49,920
mow it once or twice a month, whether it needs it or not, but in some programs which

1256
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:56,690
understand some of the soccer programs they care whether it's mode on a

1257
01:51:56,690 --> 01:52:02,030
Monday or Thursday much less that week you know and and so they do it

1258
01:52:02,030 --> 01:52:09,330
themselves and and some of them even pay somebody else another contractor or

1259
01:52:09,330 --> 01:52:12,950
volunteers you'll just you know give in kind contributions and the local

1260
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:20,390
recounts will probably pay for all the spotty pots we the county will put out two

1261
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:27,710
spot-opots, a regular one, and a handicap unit for the general park users.

1262
01:52:28,570 --> 01:52:33,230
If a rent council needs additional ones, because they're having games on Saturday or Sunday,

1263
01:52:33,950 --> 01:52:37,270
and a lot of people are coming in the park at once, then they're responsible for putting in

1264
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:38,310
any additional that they need.

1265
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:41,130
And the same thing if they use a school site and a school.

1266
01:52:41,150 --> 01:52:41,650
Correct.

1267
01:52:42,290 --> 01:52:43,730
No, no.

1268
01:52:44,150 --> 01:52:47,710
And that's a good point, because we have to get special permission to bring those into

1269
01:52:47,710 --> 01:52:48,250
the schools.

1270
01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:51,390
to school site and sometimes they say no.

1271
01:52:51,530 --> 01:52:52,250
Yeah, thanks.

1272
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:53,290
Yeah.

1273
01:52:53,290 --> 01:52:53,310
Yeah.

1274
01:52:53,390 --> 01:52:54,250
The field conditions.

1275
01:52:55,570 --> 01:52:56,550
There are just three categories.

1276
01:52:57,070 --> 01:52:58,170
Fair, poor, and good.

1277
01:52:58,290 --> 01:52:58,870
Or is there excellent?

1278
01:52:59,710 --> 01:53:00,910
There's not an excellent.

1279
01:53:01,350 --> 01:53:01,650
There's not an excellent.

1280
01:53:01,810 --> 01:53:03,150
I guess it was out of choice.

1281
01:53:03,630 --> 01:53:03,950
Yes.

1282
01:53:04,330 --> 01:53:05,750
That we had a discussion.

1283
01:53:06,230 --> 01:53:06,970
I didn't know.

1284
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:07,830
Yeah.

1285
01:53:08,150 --> 01:53:08,970
So that was a choice.

1286
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:09,390
And there's none.

1287
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:10,190
There are excellent.

1288
01:53:11,450 --> 01:53:13,530
Well, I'm just saying from their point of view.

1289
01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:14,630
From their point of view.

1290
01:53:14,630 --> 01:53:18,090
They had the three in and the non-usable.

1291
01:53:18,210 --> 01:53:20,370
So non-usable will be under poor.

1292
01:53:20,690 --> 01:53:21,130
Correct.

1293
01:53:21,310 --> 01:53:23,790
Or it's not usable because something happened.

1294
01:53:24,250 --> 01:53:26,030
Let's say a portable went up at a school

1295
01:53:26,030 --> 01:53:27,310
and it's no longer a field.

1296
01:53:28,170 --> 01:53:30,490
So there may be different reasons why it's not usable.

1297
01:53:33,340 --> 01:53:33,780
All right.

1298
01:53:35,180 --> 01:53:37,080
The other question only, well, this might come later.

1299
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,660
But I know on the high schools that some of them

1300
01:53:39,660 --> 01:53:42,180
have limited fields and depending on playoffs

1301
01:53:42,180 --> 01:53:44,400
and stuff, sometimes it goes into their season.

1302
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:49,420
So, how do you adjust for that? Like, if you're planning on a cross season and you've got to have a certain field,

1303
01:53:49,620 --> 01:53:56,560
you can't get it until halfway through a season. How do you count that in a high school field?

1304
01:53:57,020 --> 01:53:59,860
Because sometimes, their seasons go longer because they don't know.

1305
01:54:00,100 --> 01:54:01,500
Is it best about the same, I guess?

1306
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:03,940
Or a train, equivalent while they're, you know, whatever.

1307
01:54:04,100 --> 01:54:07,560
Whatever reason. How does it, how do they plan for that in the recounts?

1308
01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:12,360
If the county has first choice, but it's not anticipated. What do they do?

1309
01:54:13,180 --> 01:54:24,840
We, the, the rent councils would have to look for a space elsewhere. So maybe they're not playing in their backyard, but, you know, they've either, either rented a space, they're, they're going to, um, another facility within another.

1310
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:29,120
It's not anticipated. Is that an issue of the overlap or do they just not use those fields?

1311
01:54:34,220 --> 01:54:39,840
I'm trying to answer your question, you're asking if they've had, if they've had a field

1312
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:44,760
reserve permitted, and then the high school comes in and takes it because they're seasoned

1313
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:45,440
got extended.

1314
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:49,660
Is that, and they said, well, could be, or do they, I think it was just, I remember what

1315
01:54:49,660 --> 01:54:50,100
school was.

1316
01:54:50,140 --> 01:54:52,580
I think it was a century that they can't get into a certain time.

1317
01:54:52,720 --> 01:54:56,800
I don't know if the school system holds it out for that time in case, or do they just

1318
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,940
to what happens, you know what I'm saying? How do you plan?

1319
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,880
For that, are they just keep their own use of facilities until through their possible length of season?

1320
01:55:07,380 --> 01:55:08,260
So, is it an issue?

1321
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:11,520
It may be an issue that I'm not aware of.

1322
01:55:12,260 --> 01:55:20,300
I do know that the schools have to have their stuff and event manager before our stuff can be approved.

1323
01:55:20,740 --> 01:55:26,820
And I do know that we have hard deadlines with the schools to get our information in.

1324
01:55:26,820 --> 01:55:32,840
And if we haven't gotten our information in, if somebody forgot to put it in, or somebody forgot to request it,

1325
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:38,860
this after our deadline, the schools can give that to a third-party user, somebody underneath recreation and parks.

1326
01:55:39,080 --> 01:55:42,280
And if that happens, they won't, they will not give it back.

1327
01:55:42,460 --> 01:55:48,260
I'm trying to remember, it seemed to me there was a reason that they couldn't use it because they couldn't get it till the middle of the season.

1328
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:52,880
So in other words, they sort of, I don't know how counts in here, but sort of counted as,

1329
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:57,300
Hey, this is available, but it really wasn't because they used it longer into the season.

1330
01:55:57,660 --> 01:56:00,700
Right, and that kind of speaks to what I mentioned earlier.

1331
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:05,600
We have more and more difficult time getting on the high school fields, just based on their needs.

1332
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:10,040
I mean, we just need to keep that in consideration as to what we really have available and what's not.

1333
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:10,580
You know what I'm saying?

1334
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:12,800
It's not as simple as you know.

1335
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:13,280
Right.

1336
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:13,840
Definitely not.

1337
01:56:14,020 --> 01:56:14,260
Right.

1338
01:56:16,900 --> 01:56:17,300
100%.

1339
01:56:17,300 --> 01:56:17,540
All right.

1340
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:18,940
If you want to look at...

1341
01:56:18,940 --> 01:56:22,080
I think, can you comment a little bit?

1342
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:39,660
It used to be spreadsheets, it used to be, was the A do it, A do any good or not, but now it's electronic, so does that, is that still have its problems or is it pretty clean, this electronic system?

1343
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:47,920
So, if I can be candid, one of the issues I feel we have as the Red Council in the Department

1344
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:54,760
when it comes to the event manager, electronic version, is that the high schools are not using it.

1345
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,500
So the high schools are not putting their information on there.

1346
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,180
The middle schools and elementary schools have their stuff out there.

1347
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:06,180
So the high schools, because they manage, my understanding is they manage a different calendar

1348
01:57:06,180 --> 01:57:13,320
because they're competing with other schools, not just that they did not want to have to do

1349
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:21,200
multiple calendars. And the high schools I'll hear from right John and Neil, the high schools

1350
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:30,200
are poor schedulers period on any events and it's funny copper mine, the old tennis place on

1351
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:36,860
and free to. That's their biggest headache is that the high schools don't schedule proper

1352
01:57:36,860 --> 01:57:43,500
use. They've had gangs have to stop in a third quarter because they didn't schedule enough,

1353
01:57:43,500 --> 01:57:50,440
you know. And when I, when I asked them, copper mine, what's your biggest issue? And they said,

1354
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:57,240
how the high school schedules, the wreck, the others, they schedule pretty well. And again,

1355
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:06,300
And I think you alluded to Mr. Krebs, when the reconcils have to pay for it, they're serious about it.

1356
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:10,200
You know, the high school's not so much, and it's a shame.

1357
01:58:10,900 --> 01:58:15,880
So, and I'm curious that I was hoping that wasn't a problem with electronics.

1358
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:20,120
It is a challenge, just basically I think, for the high schools.

1359
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:28,120
Because to us, it may look like a softball field is available, but it's not because their team's using it, it's just not on.

1360
01:58:29,360 --> 01:58:34,940
It's not, it may be on their internal calendar, but it's not on the forward-facing calendar for the citizens to see.

1361
01:58:35,380 --> 01:58:42,560
Who does that scheduling? Does it all go through the community coordinator or do individual programs get on that electronics?

1362
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:50,160
So that goes through the department paid person so be it the part time the the five that have a part time or or the full-time person

1363
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,280
That's tied to that that

1364
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:59,220
So if I'm soccer, I need to talk to the community coordinator. One person. Yep. I probably don't have the right terms for people

1365
01:58:59,220 --> 01:59:02,280
But you're doing well. I'm tack them and they schedule

1366
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:08,300
Yep, and I think that's key and we need to make sure that the reconcils are following that model

1367
01:59:08,300 --> 01:59:12,040
where they're reaching out to the coordinators because it's the only way you're going to figure out

1368
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:16,100
who's using what fields. Let's make sure that's occurring. And then as far as a high school

1369
01:59:16,100 --> 01:59:20,900
goes, I mean, I can only imagine the elimination of the AD positions at the high schools. Probably

1370
01:59:20,900 --> 01:59:26,220
isn't helping that situation either, but it sounds like it was already difficult to begin with.

1371
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:35,020
So the coordinators, the pace staff, where do they, where they look at it, where they

1372
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:40,720
So, the part-time people, the five that we have that are contractual, work from home,

1373
01:59:41,460 --> 01:59:47,020
we don't provide them any kind of laptop, any phone, it's all done from home.

1374
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:52,320
And the full-time staff are either housed at one of the county locations.

1375
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:56,720
So, either the Robert Moton Center or the Charles Carroll Community Center or the Carroll County

1376
01:59:56,720 --> 01:59:57,800
In the studio, where are they?

1377
01:59:58,360 --> 01:59:59,160
Well, as I'm asking.

1378
02:00:00,300 --> 02:00:10,920
I don't know if there's any opportunities. I don't know in Baltimore County where it came from a long time ago. I think that they have staff on if they still do it. That is a joint staff in the school.

1379
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:19,120
So that same person, I mean, now that we're doing away with that, I used to think it was a shame for the athletic directors that are scheduling things because they were good teachers too.

1380
02:00:19,220 --> 02:00:24,120
And you need to take them out of the classroom and put them in a administrative position that losing their teaching talent.

1381
02:00:25,660 --> 02:00:35,120
But is there any way to have that person help coordinate at the school and be housed there and have them sort of be dual-duty so this one person?

1382
02:00:36,340 --> 02:00:38,520
I mean, I know they've been at Baltimore County a long time ago.

1383
02:00:38,700 --> 02:00:41,060
I think Baltimore County might still do that.

1384
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:42,940
I just want to get work very well.

1385
02:00:43,080 --> 02:00:47,740
Baltimore County has an office at most of the schools.

1386
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:49,170
They have paid people.

1387
02:00:49,170 --> 02:00:58,170
a friend Rick County had paid people that that would cost millions of dollars. I think did

1388
02:00:58,170 --> 02:01:03,250
Litton Spring get a wreck room. It was supposed to have a community. They have a community

1389
02:01:03,250 --> 02:01:08,590
room down. I think. But that's probably the only one that has won. I was thinking more

1390
02:01:08,590 --> 02:01:13,250
of the high schools. But just to have someone that would be I'm not saying putting extra

1391
02:01:13,250 --> 02:01:17,530
people in but it's how it would be that person would be used if it would be more efficient

1392
02:01:17,530 --> 02:01:22,250
that they were there sort of with hands along with the high school stuff so they were

1393
02:01:22,250 --> 02:01:24,890
I don't know if it's shared. I'm not sure how Baltimore County does it. I don't know if

1394
02:01:24,890 --> 02:01:30,410
any extra staff but if we've got people on each of these areas I mean how many of we have

1395
02:01:30,410 --> 02:01:35,510
we have five of these coordinators and we have what six high schools. It's just a thought to

1396
02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:40,530
see how we could coordinate and help them and help us and then it's not two different people.

1397
02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:44,770
Okay. This is what? How do we do it a little more important?

1398
02:01:45,270 --> 02:01:50,830
One thing on the electronic system, I apologize. And then I've got questions at the end on communications.

1399
02:01:51,770 --> 02:01:58,430
So I'm back on the soccer coordinator. So I got to schedule through the community person, the recon parks person,

1400
02:01:58,750 --> 02:02:02,370
but I can look at the system. I just can't manipulate it.

1401
02:02:02,370 --> 02:02:02,710
Correct.

1402
02:02:02,710 --> 02:02:07,930
But if I want to see what's open or when I have it, I can look.

1403
02:02:07,930 --> 02:02:12,450
right now you could go in and create your own account but then the school is going to come back

1404
02:02:12,450 --> 02:02:16,170
and they're going to ask you for your certificate insurance and they're going to act you know

1405
02:02:16,170 --> 02:02:19,950
and then that's going to go away to men and I'm with a red council so then they

1406
02:02:20,850 --> 02:02:26,010
but generally speaking and that's why that that volunteer training is so important because that

1407
02:02:26,010 --> 02:02:31,310
coordinator you know I think that stuff happens with the the mom and dad coach or you know

1408
02:02:32,110 --> 02:02:36,090
where and it may be a teacher and like they're just going because they work at that school and they're like

1409
02:02:36,090 --> 02:02:38,050
Hey, I know the gym's out being used right now.

1410
02:02:38,090 --> 02:02:39,610
Can I have it for a practice?

1411
02:02:40,090 --> 02:02:43,330
And I do recognize, and I do think that, unfortunately,

1412
02:02:43,790 --> 02:02:44,370
that happens.

1413
02:02:44,810 --> 02:02:47,530
Not as much now because of the electronic system,

1414
02:02:47,730 --> 02:02:51,070
but I do think it happened a lot with the paper sign off.

1415
02:02:51,490 --> 02:02:53,810
There wasn't as many checks and balances before.

1416
02:02:54,330 --> 02:02:57,890
If we want to look at Section 5,

1417
02:02:59,210 --> 02:03:03,930
this is just a quick overview of each rent council

1418
02:03:03,930 --> 02:03:05,210
in the programs that they offer.

1419
02:03:05,210 --> 02:03:11,230
So what we talked about, oh wait a minute, I got one more section, go over section four.

1420
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:15,150
Yes, section four. This is the most important one. This is the one Commission

1421
02:03:15,150 --> 02:03:23,490
Cribes you talked about. So section four is a list of outdoor sports only doesn't include

1422
02:03:23,490 --> 02:03:28,430
the indoor sports for this discussion today of what the Red Council's reported their

1423
02:03:28,430 --> 02:03:32,990
usage. So they reported the programs that they have, the number participants,

1424
02:03:32,990 --> 02:03:38,350
where they were practicing, and the amount of practices they had per week.

1425
02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:41,550
And we have that listed for each rent council.

1426
02:03:41,770 --> 02:03:47,230
So you can see the majority of the councils are either practicing only one

1427
02:03:47,230 --> 02:03:48,310
or two times a week.

1428
02:03:49,150 --> 02:03:51,850
But we, oh, and then behind each one you'll see the field maps.

1429
02:03:51,890 --> 02:03:56,610
So each council shows just the county field maps for the

1430
02:03:56,610 --> 02:03:57,990
Department of Recreation and Parks.

1431
02:03:58,390 --> 02:04:01,250
I do have the schools, not in this packet, but if you want to,

1432
02:04:01,250 --> 02:04:07,510
do have it, I can hand it out to you today. But as you leave through it, you'll see that some

1433
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:12,610
programs may have the ability to practice three days a week. Is that because they have the

1434
02:04:12,610 --> 02:04:16,770
ability or they want that ability? They have that ability. How do we know what their needs are

1435
02:04:16,770 --> 02:04:22,130
versus what, to this means, I looked at a one and looked at a three, do I assume they all want

1436
02:04:22,130 --> 02:04:30,470
three or do I assume somebody just want one? I think the groups that are having one practice are

1437
02:04:30,470 --> 02:04:35,990
younger kids. The clinic. I guess I'm trying to absorb from all this. What are the needs,

1438
02:04:37,950 --> 02:04:42,650
maybe you can come up with that later. Are we satisfying the needs of what each, you know,

1439
02:04:42,810 --> 02:04:46,130
formally, you know, if the younger kids practice once a week or they all get in their once a week

1440
02:04:46,130 --> 02:04:50,490
if the older kids practice three times a week or they all get the opportunity for three times a week.

1441
02:04:50,670 --> 02:04:55,490
I'm just trying to make sure we're looking at apples and apples for whatever it may be,

1442
02:04:55,670 --> 02:04:58,730
because you're right, you might be once a week for a younger kid, but it's hard to tell that.

1443
02:04:58,730 --> 02:04:59,950
And I, and I, and I thank you.

1444
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:07,320
We need to, you know, it's going to be based on on the program in the age of the program. You know, the older kids might be practicing or two or three times a week.

1445
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:13,040
But if I would somehow through all this, we're going to glean what the needs are in an equitable way.

1446
02:05:13,340 --> 02:05:20,420
I want to make sure that the way we blame it is going to be that they see it that way because they agree with our analysis of it.

1447
02:05:20,660 --> 02:05:21,520
You know what I'm saying?

1448
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:22,000
So, you know what I'm saying?

1449
02:05:22,220 --> 02:05:22,360
Right.

1450
02:05:22,520 --> 02:05:26,120
The way you've, hopefully they've all seen this and they've given you the data.

1451
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:28,040
This came straight from them.

1452
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:30,600
So when we're looking, I was just trying to look at it

1453
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:34,120
with an equal kind of eye of what their needs are.

1454
02:05:34,420 --> 02:05:36,620
And if somebody thinks they need five times more

1455
02:05:36,620 --> 02:05:39,120
that's unreasonable, if it's all level, you know?

1456
02:05:39,720 --> 02:05:40,080
OK.

1457
02:05:40,220 --> 02:05:43,760
I think generally speaking, if you drill down

1458
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:46,780
and look at the programs, the football programs

1459
02:05:46,780 --> 02:05:48,940
are practicing three or four times a week.

1460
02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:53,860
Your soccer, your field hockey, your baseball teams

1461
02:05:53,860 --> 02:05:57,280
may only be doing one or two based on the level,

1462
02:05:57,280 --> 02:06:01,520
or the competition level of that, the age of...

1463
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:02,340
Change is, I guess.

1464
02:06:03,220 --> 02:06:04,580
And it could change year to year.

1465
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:11,760
They may have, you know, five teams that are our higher level one year in the next year, they only have two.

1466
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:14,620
So it may change based on the registration from year to year.

1467
02:06:14,780 --> 02:06:19,460
And does it change based on who's got lights and not because of, you know, it starts getting dark.

1468
02:06:19,660 --> 02:06:20,840
Does that have an impact?

1469
02:06:21,460 --> 02:06:22,400
It absolutely does.

1470
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:29,500
So, you know, the fall, it's getting dark early, so, you know, starting in August, they

1471
02:06:29,500 --> 02:06:35,300
may be able to go till 730 but come the end of September, you know, they're off the field

1472
02:06:35,300 --> 02:06:37,520
by 630 because it's getting dark.

1473
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:42,020
Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out, so that there's somewhere equitably that there's lights.

1474
02:06:42,500 --> 02:06:46,880
You know, if you have a right council, you got this many teams that they can, when it gets

1475
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:50,140
dark at 5 o'clock, I guess that's pretty late now, it's pretty, I think, no member.

1476
02:06:50,140 --> 02:06:56,140
That might be not be an impact for football and false sports, it's just something to consider that they all have that same opportunity.

1477
02:06:57,540 --> 02:07:01,500
And you know, not all that not all the fields are the same. I mean, we don't have white to never facility.

1478
02:07:01,980 --> 02:07:03,700
No, but I'm just saying with Anna Brett council.

1479
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:10,500
Again, that information was supplied by E each council.

1480
02:07:10,780 --> 02:07:17,780
And if you go through and you see if there's there's yellow, it means that they did not supply that information up and I don't have it to provide you.

1481
02:07:20,140 --> 02:07:40,820
And that was kind of condensed down because I do have the information by each for the majority of them like each program like if they had a clinic and then they had ages, you know, K through five and then I just kind of wanted to condense it for you because it was a lot of information.

1482
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,100
I'm happy to share that with you.

1483
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,020
I guess we're trying to get to it's like,

1484
02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:54,460
What's how many fields based on your enrollment, your registration do you have if you need an excise field and your registration supports and how many does this support?

1485
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:59,040
I don't work out the ages more about what their needs are on the one that certain size fields.

1486
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:07,160
I will say one, the direction that the department has always given the right counsel is you know your inventory, you know what you have.

1487
02:08:07,460 --> 02:08:11,140
You know what you can handle in terms of registration.

1488
02:08:11,780 --> 02:08:13,580
I use an analogy of a swimming pool.

1489
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:17,620
If I have a six-lane swimming pool, I know I can only have 50 swimmers.

1490
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:19,940
Why would I take 75 swimmers?

1491
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:21,980
Because then it depends on your catchment area.

1492
02:08:22,100 --> 02:08:23,040
You're not going to turn kids away.

1493
02:08:23,540 --> 02:08:28,800
If you have a big catchment area, that's why we have to make sure we have it done in an equitable

1494
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:29,220
way.

1495
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,620
Because you might be on a bigger catchment area if you're a right count.

1496
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:33,940
Certain reconcils, they're not necessarily overlapping.

1497
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:35,340
So I know what you're saying.

1498
02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:39,600
It's not necessarily because if you have a thousand kids versus ten thousand, it's different.

1499
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:40,300
Right.

1500
02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:51,160
So, that kind of ties up the presentation regarding this kind of an overview of our relationship

1501
02:08:51,160 --> 02:08:54,340
and that we have with the recreation councils.

1502
02:08:54,960 --> 02:09:03,660
Now I know last spring, Dr. Hicks shared with you information about fields and locations

1503
02:09:03,660 --> 02:09:12,520
that the department prioritized, that they thought was needed for improvement.

1504
02:09:14,740 --> 02:09:21,080
So I think our next steps here, we currently have a subcommittee looking at the indoor space.

1505
02:09:21,180 --> 02:09:27,580
We are expecting them to give a presentation as advisory board meeting in October.

1506
02:09:27,580 --> 02:09:36,560
October, September's our self-help presentation, so an October, and so one of the chairpeople

1507
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:41,800
of the advisory board has been heading up the subcommittee and getting information from the

1508
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:47,680
local rent councils to try to move a path forward on that equitable space that you're talking

1509
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:56,400
about for indoor space. So we graciously appreciate the $5 million in the FY27 budget for restoration

1510
02:09:56,400 --> 02:09:57,380
of county fields.

1511
02:09:59,480 --> 02:09:59,960
And...

1512
02:10:00,910 --> 02:10:18,870
Scheduling a meeting with a department or figuring out the candidates from the rent councils that would be involved in this decision. I know that we've already put forward information from the department on some priority fields that that we have. I have that information shared with you today if you'd like it right now.

1513
02:10:22,360 --> 02:10:22,960
Yes.

1514
02:10:23,860 --> 02:10:28,960
And would you probably remember indoor space is a little, probably a little more tricky.

1515
02:10:30,020 --> 02:10:32,800
But it'd be nice if we all would be looking for opportunities.

1516
02:10:34,900 --> 02:10:38,160
It's so much better for indoor space if you can hook it onto something that's already there.

1517
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:43,540
And I think one of the best decisions years ago was when they put the extra space onto the Celscope,

1518
02:10:43,620 --> 02:10:44,100
Senior Center.

1519
02:10:44,280 --> 02:10:46,660
I think it was around $800,000 came from Reckon Parks.

1520
02:10:47,340 --> 02:10:51,760
And because you're sharing infrastructure, you're sharing your bathrooms, you're sharing your parking lots.

1521
02:10:51,760 --> 02:11:00,140
So, the more opportunities we can use to take shared space and reuse it, it's more, it's very cost-effective.

1522
02:11:01,500 --> 02:11:06,500
So, whoever thought of that 20 year, whenever they did it, 20 years ago, it was a wonderful investment.

1523
02:11:06,660 --> 02:11:09,640
I think we got part of it from the state at that point in time.

1524
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:11,420
But I think it was 800,000.

1525
02:11:12,500 --> 02:11:17,880
And the kids use it all every night and they use it on the weekends, and then the seniors use it every day.

1526
02:11:17,880 --> 02:11:21,740
they use it for walking, they use it for a pickle ball and I think they use it for something

1527
02:11:22,460 --> 02:11:24,020
else in like Sunday morning.

1528
02:11:24,220 --> 02:11:27,140
But my point is it was very inexpensive.

1529
02:11:27,900 --> 02:11:31,880
You got all the infrastructure there because they can close off the doors to the rest of the

1530
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:32,340
senior center.

1531
02:11:33,020 --> 02:11:37,320
So, the more we can do those types of things like with the schools, you know, having the extra

1532
02:11:37,320 --> 02:11:38,580
gym space, I don't know.

1533
02:11:38,940 --> 02:11:42,300
North Carol used to have the extra gym space, it's economies of scale because you already

1534
02:11:42,300 --> 02:11:43,120
have everything there.

1535
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:45,980
So as we, I don't know if there's opportunities,

1536
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:48,700
I know what liberty is getting, maybe redone.

1537
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:52,480
I don't think that they have an extra wrestling room,

1538
02:11:52,620 --> 02:11:53,580
but they only have one gym.

1539
02:11:54,120 --> 02:11:57,760
I don't know what it would cost to add another space.

1540
02:11:58,380 --> 02:12:00,260
I want to that, that there would be a joint use.

1541
02:12:00,520 --> 02:12:01,940
But we just kind of think along those lines

1542
02:12:01,940 --> 02:12:03,260
as we do as we built things.

1543
02:12:03,500 --> 02:12:07,420
Because like Charles Carroll, it's my opinion that it's

1544
02:12:07,420 --> 02:12:09,120
Sans alone, it's in the old nowhere.

1545
02:12:09,260 --> 02:12:11,140
And it's just used by that facility.

1546
02:12:11,140 --> 02:12:17,680
if that was connected to something else, it would have a lot of joint, more joint uses.

1547
02:12:18,280 --> 02:12:22,180
It was shared parking lots, shared custodial, just, there's just a kind of, there's

1548
02:12:22,180 --> 02:12:23,040
a scale that's doing it that way.

1549
02:12:23,720 --> 02:12:27,280
So, I wouldn't want to repeat doing that again, I wouldn't have done it then, but it's

1550
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:27,480
done.

1551
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:33,760
But there's other opportunities that might come up as we redo facilities on what we do, what's

1552
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:40,260
an easement, what's the middle, and what, really, there may be, if that's where the need

1553
02:12:40,260 --> 02:12:44,940
But just as we figure out the need and we think okay, how do we solve the need it might take a while

1554
02:12:44,940 --> 02:12:47,560
But right a little bit of a plant a plan

1555
02:12:48,940 --> 02:12:53,660
Same with field it's the same with fields so if you more fields you're gonna attach to schools if there's property around it

1556
02:12:54,340 --> 02:12:58,640
I know we're pretty landlock, but it's again. It's economies of scale. No, there's an extra field between

1557
02:12:59,600 --> 02:13:01,320
Century and Clinton Springs

1558
02:13:01,320 --> 02:13:07,440
I think it's count I might be counting on but when those the facilities were built that little extra field was all there

1559
02:13:07,440 --> 02:13:10,540
And you have parking, you have infrastructures, that's helpful.

1560
02:13:12,540 --> 02:13:20,460
And I've got some questions about communications and liberty.

1561
02:13:23,460 --> 02:13:29,520
Reconparks, I don't think, is involved with the building committee.

1562
02:13:29,700 --> 02:13:36,500
CCBS will have a building committee that goes through curriculum needs, space needs, whatever.

1563
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:46,210
And I thought, I've always said the county commissioners can find the worst school site possible in

1564
02:13:46,210 --> 02:13:52,590
Carol County and give it to the schools and that was man-vow, that has one gem and it's horrible.

1565
02:13:53,190 --> 02:13:58,770
It has a resting room that's actually called a gymnastics room or something and it's

1566
02:13:58,770 --> 02:14:08,730
it's horrible, but how can we make sure you guys are represented on the building committee

1567
02:14:08,730 --> 02:14:16,390
for liberty, because it's important that they have two gems, and it's not important

1568
02:14:16,390 --> 02:14:17,430
to CCPS.

1569
02:14:17,790 --> 02:14:25,890
I don't understand that because then like, care kind of public schools use K-borne park, they

1570
02:14:25,890 --> 02:14:27,110
other buildings,

1571
02:14:30,010 --> 02:14:35,110
they ought to be able to build a new building that they don't need to

1572
02:14:35,110 --> 02:14:40,890
farm out stuff. And the problem with fields at high schools is they're so hard

1573
02:14:40,890 --> 02:14:49,020
to get use of. It's nice they're there. So you guys have an advisory board. You have

1574
02:14:49,020 --> 02:14:51,800
friends of Carol, you have the individual

1575
02:14:51,800 --> 02:14:56,420
reconcils with your coordinators attending their meetings.

1576
02:14:57,540 --> 02:14:59,960
How do you, and maybe it's all the above?

1577
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:09,640
How do you communicate with the individual rent councils? My opinion, and you had sent me some information, I don't know, a month ago.

1578
02:15:11,320 --> 02:15:16,740
Like the friends of Carol, a lot of people miss those meetings, and they're only quarterly.

1579
02:15:18,520 --> 02:15:41,960
And so that hurts the communication to right council's big time, and then the advisory board, like you said, they're going to present stuff at the advisory board meeting, but some of the council's miss those, even one of them didn't get a self-help project last year because they didn't show up, and you can't make them show up.

1580
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:45,460
But there's a lot of the communication

1581
02:15:45,460 --> 02:15:47,760
happened at their individual council meetings

1582
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:50,580
when there's a coordinator there,

1583
02:15:50,660 --> 02:15:53,080
or do you rely on the advisory board

1584
02:15:53,080 --> 02:15:54,420
and the friends of Carol?

1585
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:59,700
The friends of Carol meeting, that's quarterly,

1586
02:15:59,980 --> 02:16:02,880
four times a year, is the only time I get all

1587
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:05,540
the presidents in one area together.

1588
02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:09,700
The president does not have to sit on that board.

1589
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:10,820
They have to send a representative.

1590
02:16:10,820 --> 02:16:14,180
you know, we ask them to send a representative, we ask it to be the president, but we just,

1591
02:16:14,360 --> 02:16:20,020
it doesn't have to be that person. The, the friends of Carol Recreation and Parks is kind of

1592
02:16:20,020 --> 02:16:26,780
floundering right now trying to figure out its purpose because it's never really evolved into what

1593
02:16:26,780 --> 02:16:34,260
the, the bylaws' purpose work for. They wanted it as a 501 or whatever for donations and

1594
02:16:34,260 --> 02:16:41,940
And business doesn't need to donate to a, you know, it never, it never was what they wanted

1595
02:16:41,940 --> 02:16:42,520
it to be.

1596
02:16:43,300 --> 02:16:48,180
And so, yeah, it's not going to understand that it's tough, you know, what is their purpose?

1597
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:48,560
Right.

1598
02:16:48,940 --> 02:16:55,900
And I'm not sure the department is in a position to dissolve that yet, you know, maybe maybe

1599
02:16:55,900 --> 02:17:02,200
down the road, we decide that that's what it is, because we don't need a 501c3 to get

1600
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:03,660
sponsorships or donations.

1601
02:17:04,060 --> 02:17:05,820
You need to communication now.

1602
02:17:05,880 --> 02:17:06,940
Yes, you need the communication.

1603
02:17:08,540 --> 02:17:10,580
So that meeting is an opportunity for me

1604
02:17:10,580 --> 02:17:12,980
to talk with all the presidents and one location in your right.

1605
02:17:13,160 --> 02:17:14,160
It's hard to get them there.

1606
02:17:14,680 --> 02:17:16,740
We ask more and more of these volunteers.

1607
02:17:18,360 --> 02:17:19,700
And they've got busy lives.

1608
02:17:19,960 --> 02:17:21,260
They work full-time jobs too.

1609
02:17:21,300 --> 02:17:23,260
They've got kids getting to them from practices.

1610
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:26,340
So they may not be coming because they're coaching.

1611
02:17:27,940 --> 02:17:31,300
They're out running a basketball program

1612
02:17:31,300 --> 02:17:36,820
or a soccer program. So that information one, you know, they get the minutes if they read

1613
02:17:36,820 --> 02:17:42,640
the minutes and then they also get an email recap. So we are relying on that information

1614
02:17:42,640 --> 02:17:50,440
going to the president's and the president's or the full-time staff person getting that information

1615
02:17:50,440 --> 02:17:54,340
at rep council meetings. But the problem with the rep council meetings is that and not everybody

1616
02:17:54,340 --> 02:18:00,760
shows up to the rep council meetings. So trying to get the information down to the coordinators can

1617
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:02,860
They come very, very difficult.

1618
02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:06,360
Ted, I believe you may want to add something.

1619
02:18:07,300 --> 02:18:09,180
Yeah, I'm watching on time delay.

1620
02:18:09,400 --> 02:18:11,220
So you already moved on before I got there.

1621
02:18:11,220 --> 02:18:11,640
Oh, that's right.

1622
02:18:11,960 --> 02:18:13,700
You're going to go back to Mr. Colley.

1623
02:18:13,880 --> 02:18:18,320
We was talking about, back in part, having a place on a school design committee, and do

1624
02:18:18,320 --> 02:18:20,580
we build extra gems or larger gems.

1625
02:18:20,820 --> 02:18:24,860
Just wanted to point out, I imagine the school system would be happy to have them on

1626
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:25,420
the committee.

1627
02:18:26,840 --> 02:18:32,700
But, unless the board is going to commit funding for those things that has no meaning,

1628
02:18:33,260 --> 02:18:36,840
I mean the state is almost certainly not going to participate because we want a larger

1629
02:18:36,840 --> 02:18:42,960
GM or an extra GM, now we do have some history, back when we were building more schools,

1630
02:18:43,180 --> 02:18:51,220
we did build some schools with larger GMs than would come as a standard, and with liberty,

1631
02:18:51,220 --> 02:18:59,320
If the board said we want a second gym, I think the order of things would really have to be

1632
02:18:59,320 --> 02:19:04,680
the board saying we want a second gym in that school and we're willing to pay for it,

1633
02:19:04,840 --> 02:19:08,420
and then they can deal with that in designing the school.

1634
02:19:10,020 --> 02:19:15,280
So if that's a path the board wants, there just needs to be some conversation here about

1635
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:18,800
how much are we willing to pay in order to get what.

1636
02:19:18,800 --> 02:19:24,640
And I don't think we should pay, we pay for everything they do anyway.

1637
02:19:27,020 --> 02:19:31,880
They need two gyms and they need to serve the community as well as their stuff.

1638
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:39,860
And that was another question I have on your advisory board years ago when I was on it,

1639
02:19:40,200 --> 02:19:43,560
the Care County Public School rep never, ever missed.

1640
02:19:43,560 --> 02:19:49,420
and I used to pick on him, you know, we're term-limited and you're on here as long as you got

1641
02:19:49,420 --> 02:19:50,000
to job.

1642
02:19:50,340 --> 02:19:58,640
But they would come and that discussion would happen at the advisory board, you know, and I just,

1643
02:19:58,640 --> 02:19:59,940
I personally think we...

1644
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:20,200
We ought to have input into their buildings, and they weren't like it. But they use our money anyway. So I don't know why we'd pay for something else. And man, valley, and I told them that, that has a big wide hallway that's beautiful, shandalier that's beautiful, a curving, but they couldn't afford another gym.

1645
02:20:21,540 --> 02:20:30,200
I'd have struggle, I'd struggle hard giving that money for a gym when they trying to think

1646
02:20:30,200 --> 02:20:34,560
of a good word, squander money, other places.

1647
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:35,900
You know what I mean?

1648
02:20:36,120 --> 02:20:42,340
I appreciate what you're saying, you know, it's always, we get more respect when we throw

1649
02:20:42,340 --> 02:20:42,780
money.

1650
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:48,420
Well, and I think it's a good conversation to have because again, as economies of scale,

1651
02:20:48,420 --> 02:20:53,360
And the times that we have, and I don't remember how that all worked, I remember making the full size gems in some of the schools.

1652
02:20:53,480 --> 02:20:59,520
That was a brilliant idea, because you can elementary school gyms, some of those free to elementary, and you hit the walls.

1653
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:05,800
But, you know, I think all the middle school gyms we made larger, I think some of the new elementary schools were made larger.

1654
02:21:06,180 --> 02:21:08,460
And that's a smart investment for the amount of money that it costs.

1655
02:21:08,660 --> 02:21:16,940
So we should have a conversation with them, ask them, I know my daughter teaches in another county, but she teaches special education, physical education.

1656
02:21:16,940 --> 02:21:22,740
And there's a few of the schools that don't have an extra gem and she's got kids in wheelchairs and she's guys kids are autistic

1657
02:21:22,740 --> 02:21:28,440
And it's hard because they're in the general population and she's she was she was telling me we need to have extra space

1658
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:32,560
For that population has not been mainstream. I don't know about Carol County how they do it

1659
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:34,540
But that was coming from you know

1660
02:21:34,540 --> 02:21:37,380
Somebody was advocating for it no matter where we do it

1661
02:21:37,380 --> 02:21:45,820
But how do we get involved in just it would be crazy not to at least look into what it would cost and what it would be a joint it's their kids

1662
02:21:45,820 --> 02:21:49,120
So, I mean, just because they're in school in the daytime, it's the same kids that are playing ball.

1663
02:21:49,580 --> 02:21:56,060
So, we're all in this together, so I hope that they would consider, and then we figure out who's with the cost of arm, who's going to pay for what and him.

1664
02:21:56,580 --> 02:22:05,340
So, in Frederick County, there was a, what's called a park school facilities, and it's on a new elementary school was going to be built.

1665
02:22:05,340 --> 02:22:10,180
were back in parks was included on it to see if they wanted to go ahead and put in a community

1666
02:22:10,180 --> 02:22:15,820
room. I increased the size of the gym, I think a meeting room had restrooms, had their

1667
02:22:15,820 --> 02:22:21,920
own entrance, so they had to go through the regular special school. When I left there, over three

1668
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:27,480
years ago they were just finishing one, ever think in the middle town area and it was like a

1669
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:35,320
million and a half extra and it did come out of the parks and wreck budget. I'll tell you what,

1670
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:39,560
so how do we get on that conversation can we contact them to say we'd like to have a

1671
02:22:39,560 --> 02:22:46,640
seated and we had that in the 90s. Ebb Valley was supposed to get the larger gem,

1672
02:22:46,920 --> 02:22:53,160
a rec office and the letting the springs did and then it kind of went out of the budget.

1673
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:58,840
It was in the advisory boards capital budget and I forget 800,000.

1674
02:22:58,840 --> 02:23:03,240
And it could be, I'm not saying that's for sure but when we did Ebb Valley, the enrollment went

1675
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:07,280
the enrollment he'd gone down and we didn't get very much state participation, so it's

1676
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,820
possible that it was done. I can't remember it's a long time ago, but I know that school

1677
02:23:10,820 --> 02:23:15,500
had need and then it dropped and we barely got any state participation in it, so it's

1678
02:23:15,500 --> 02:23:19,760
a possibility county commissioners might have said, hey, we're putting in more than we were

1679
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:27,200
supposed to, so it's possible. So I think it's something we should be trying to, if you could

1680
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:30,480
just get in touch with them, ask if we could have a seat of it, and then think we've got

1681
02:23:30,480 --> 02:23:36,060
justified and quantified, and I totally I think it would be great, but even for the little

1682
02:23:36,060 --> 02:23:40,980
extra space for the coordinator or then I figured help the school out somehow.

1683
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:44,440
Yeah, the spaces from Frederick County came with an office in there too.

1684
02:23:44,760 --> 02:23:47,540
Well, I just see how it would benefit us.

1685
02:23:47,540 --> 02:23:49,320
Baltimore County had a key.

1686
02:23:49,580 --> 02:23:51,880
I guess Frederick County you did too.

1687
02:23:52,300 --> 02:23:54,740
Yeah, Frederick County had to be careful because we couldn't.

1688
02:23:54,860 --> 02:23:55,500
Yeah, I wouldn't blame enough.

1689
02:23:55,620 --> 02:23:58,340
We couldn't have been in that separate space during school time.

1690
02:23:58,400 --> 02:23:58,720
Yes.

1691
02:23:59,780 --> 02:24:04,740
But after hours, then we had the badge on lock and go in there.

1692
02:24:04,840 --> 02:24:07,360
I want to make sure to commissioner Garen and commissioner Gordon things.

1693
02:24:07,440 --> 02:24:10,100
I know I think they both have something that they wanted to mention or ask.

1694
02:24:10,420 --> 02:24:11,200
Commissioner Gordon.

1695
02:24:11,480 --> 02:24:16,720
I just have one really brief question, which you can, if you could supply this later,

1696
02:24:17,080 --> 02:24:19,600
I think it'd be ideal for the five of us.

1697
02:24:20,040 --> 02:24:21,740
So under the field inventory conditions,

1698
02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:24,800
you may, it lists good fare, poor, non-usable.

1699
02:24:24,840 --> 02:24:27,820
You already mentioned non-usable can be for a variety of reasons.

1700
02:24:27,820 --> 02:24:29,960
could we get definitions that as to what actually

1701
02:24:30,480 --> 02:24:33,220
it's not in to those, well, not just not usable, but

1702
02:24:33,220 --> 02:24:34,980
what is good versus fair.

1703
02:24:35,100 --> 02:24:36,760
I mean, we can all make an assumption,

1704
02:24:37,060 --> 02:24:39,940
but I'd like to actually see what those specific categories

1705
02:24:39,940 --> 02:24:42,140
and what falls into that criteria if we could.

1706
02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:42,760
When you have a second.

1707
02:24:44,540 --> 02:24:45,400
Can you share anything?

1708
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:46,780
Yeah, to that note,

1709
02:24:47,340 --> 02:24:49,180
if do we have this electronically as well,

1710
02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:51,040
if not can we get a copy of this?

1711
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:52,440
I can send it to you electronically.

1712
02:24:52,860 --> 02:24:53,360
That'd be great.

1713
02:24:53,540 --> 02:24:53,800
Thank you.

1714
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:59,640
and also really appreciate the discussion about the construction piece.

1715
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:11,280
Now, you have to ask yourself, well, we're already giving a money, so why it shouldn't be that hard to at least start the conversation about additional space when we are building new schools and we're only doing that right now at liberty.

1716
02:25:11,640 --> 02:25:20,840
If I can remember correctly, it's just liberty high school, and that's just starting out. So that'll be down the road, but, you know, it's not going to solve some of our, our, our issues right now.

1717
02:25:21,440 --> 02:25:26,580
I feel like this is, I appreciate both of you. This is a conversation, I think that's in a long time coming.

1718
02:25:28,700 --> 02:25:31,820
There's so many variables with reconciles.

1719
02:25:31,900 --> 02:25:34,100
I mean, so many variables you're talking about light.

1720
02:25:34,240 --> 02:25:35,180
You're talking about parking.

1721
02:25:35,220 --> 02:25:38,920
You're talking about fields that it may be fair one day,

1722
02:25:39,020 --> 02:25:40,940
but if you use it too much under the wrong conditions,

1723
02:25:41,180 --> 02:25:41,920
now it's poor.

1724
02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:44,420
If you upgrade a field and make it perfect,

1725
02:25:44,520 --> 02:25:46,700
it won't stay that way because it gets used too much.

1726
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:49,000
So I mean, there's so many variables for,

1727
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:51,400
and I've lived through this in my district,

1728
02:25:51,740 --> 02:25:52,640
working with the various reconciles.

1729
02:25:53,360 --> 02:25:54,160
It's been challenging.

1730
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:59,960
I think it's fair to say that in the southern part of the county, the perception of

1731
02:25:59,960 --> 02:26:04,980
leases that we've got a, we've got a minute, we could use more space, we could use

1732
02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:06,860
more space in stores and outdoors.

1733
02:26:07,940 --> 02:26:14,200
And the subcommittee looking at the indoor spaces, if I can say this, I think that actually

1734
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:20,980
was born out of a situation down in Mount Area regarding Paris Ridge and basketball and it

1735
02:26:20,980 --> 02:26:27,100
It was important to get a group going so I appreciated tons of emails on this subject

1736
02:26:27,100 --> 02:26:27,900
two years ago.

1737
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:29,040
Very few last years.

1738
02:26:29,320 --> 02:26:33,060
So something's working, but I'm sure there's always room for improvements.

1739
02:26:33,360 --> 02:26:34,000
I'm working together.

1740
02:26:34,140 --> 02:26:34,820
Working together.

1741
02:26:35,200 --> 02:26:35,560
There you go.

1742
02:26:35,900 --> 02:26:37,180
I really appreciate that.

1743
02:26:37,180 --> 02:26:38,040
That's a big deal.

1744
02:26:39,080 --> 02:26:43,780
But what I want to focus on, and I think what we want to try to wrap up doing is we've got

1745
02:26:43,780 --> 02:26:44,700
this $5 million.

1746
02:26:44,980 --> 02:26:46,060
We've got this report.

1747
02:26:46,400 --> 02:26:50,920
We've got a very capable and my view of a very capable advisory board that is willing

1748
02:26:50,920 --> 02:26:54,620
to get involved and take a look at all this information to try to figure out where we want

1749
02:26:54,620 --> 02:26:59,540
to use this money. I think we need to establish some criteria for what we do want to

1750
02:26:59,540 --> 02:27:05,220
improve. In other words, you could improve a field from poor to great. But again, if it gets

1751
02:27:05,220 --> 02:27:12,480
overused, it's poor again. I think we need to focus on whatever force multipliers we can establish.

1752
02:27:12,600 --> 02:27:18,460
In other words, if there's a field that's not usable at all, or it's just really poor. Maybe

1753
02:27:18,460 --> 02:27:22,200
that's a place where we need to look to spend this money because now you're adding

1754
02:27:22,200 --> 02:27:27,200
an additional field as opposed to just upgrading one from you know poor to fair which I

1755
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:31,520
think is also something we need to take a look at. So if I'm not mistaken that's kind of

1756
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:38,740
what you're looking for from this board and I just happen to feel that the advisory board

1757
02:27:38,740 --> 02:27:47,220
is the perfect place for them to start taking a look at these fields the money that we have

1758
02:27:47,220 --> 02:27:53,240
spend and I think it's important that we spend it before it loses more and more value

1759
02:27:53,240 --> 02:27:58,740
because we know how that's working with inflation. So I'd like us to focus on criteria,

1760
02:27:59,060 --> 02:28:03,380
I don't know if we can all come to a consensus on that today, but I think that's where

1761
02:28:03,380 --> 02:28:10,960
where we need to be moving forward. So Commissioner Garron and so you're saying the five million

1762
02:28:10,960 --> 02:28:24,800
should be evaluated by the advisory council, also, but what about we specifically gave enough money, I think, to do the third phase of that part.

1763
02:28:25,100 --> 02:28:30,200
Should that go through them too or, you know, should they have everything?

1764
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:35,220
Well, I think it's fair to say that. I mean, so you're talking about Crim Gold Park phase three money.

1765
02:28:35,220 --> 02:28:37,160
We, that's a separate amount of money.

1766
02:28:37,720 --> 02:28:38,660
This money for fields.

1767
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:39,640
Specifically for that.

1768
02:28:39,860 --> 02:28:41,760
They can't change that, but should they?

1769
02:28:42,580 --> 02:28:47,440
There is a framework for phase three, which already existed.

1770
02:28:47,540 --> 02:28:48,520
It's a master plan.

1771
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:52,960
So, and I mean, of course, like I would imagine that probably gets shared with the

1772
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:53,680
advisory council.

1773
02:28:53,740 --> 02:28:57,780
Some point of it hasn't, I'm sure it already has or it will, but I don't think there's

1774
02:28:57,780 --> 02:29:02,700
much question as to what phase three will involve, but if we need to tweak and change

1775
02:29:02,700 --> 02:29:03,340
things, certainly.

1776
02:29:03,340 --> 02:29:05,080
or they can speed it up.

1777
02:29:05,400 --> 02:29:09,440
Exactly. I mean, that's why I think the advisory board and you know, you're very familiar with

1778
02:29:09,440 --> 02:29:11,360
the advisory board. I was on it.

1779
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:16,040
And you were on it and people are willing to put in the time and effort to, you know, in terms

1780
02:29:16,040 --> 02:29:24,060
of the five million and trying to make some tangible improvements to, you know, whatever feels

1781
02:29:24,060 --> 02:29:28,000
fall within that criteria. I think the advisory board is a great place to start. And they've

1782
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:32,740
got a lot of information now. They've got this packet. They've got this. I think that I just

1783
02:29:32,740 --> 02:29:37,720
to be careful. I just wanted to be careful that we don't get in the weeds too much on this

1784
02:29:37,720 --> 02:29:42,720
because again there are so many variables. The biggest one being regional availability,

1785
02:29:43,360 --> 02:29:47,620
North Carol may have a bunch of empty fields but nobody's going from Mount Harry to North Carol to

1786
02:29:47,620 --> 02:29:53,440
use a field. We're paying for fields. You're paying for fields. So, we're paying at Panther Plex,

1787
02:29:53,700 --> 02:29:59,820
we're paying at the other copper mine facility for both fields and indoor. So, but my point being

1788
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:09,320
Even if there's a field available someplace, you know, you can't expect parents to get in a car and drive for an hour or so. Now, it's just, there's so many variables. So I think we need to be careful.

1789
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:19,320
But that's a good point. The electronic system does that help with that. Can I, if I'm the soccer coach at North Carroll, can I look at Westminster, can I look at?

1790
02:30:19,320 --> 02:30:20,840
Absolutely, you can look at it.

1791
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:21,920
Yeah, you can.

1792
02:30:22,240 --> 02:30:29,100
Yeah, so, so, yeah, hopefully they'd say, wow, there's a field 20 minutes away, not an hour.

1793
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:30,600
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.

1794
02:30:30,900 --> 02:30:32,300
So it's not easy.

1795
02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:34,560
It's not an easy thing for us to try to fix,

1796
02:30:34,700 --> 02:30:37,620
but I'm glad we took the actions we did in this last budget.

1797
02:30:38,360 --> 02:30:41,140
I don't know, when the last board accounting commissioners

1798
02:30:41,140 --> 02:30:44,320
did something like that, but we did it, and we did it in a big way.

1799
02:30:44,840 --> 02:30:49,120
We allocated a lot of money to try to fix this problem.

1800
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:51,280
And I'm glad we're here where we are,

1801
02:30:51,340 --> 02:30:53,060
but I just want to make sure we're given

1802
02:30:53,660 --> 02:30:58,940
wrecking parks and everybody the some guidance that we're doing.

1803
02:30:58,940 --> 02:31:09,080
And I think if I'm sorry, Commissioner Geron, I think you have a point there, you know, and I think we're going to get to it today, but my suggestion for everybody would be these criteria about what we're looking for.

1804
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:16,220
We emailed to bombingly so they can compile them and then once they have a list, we can discuss it in the next open session that we have.

1805
02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:21,700
And determine that you know, that's the list that we want to move forward with, so I think that was a sound idea that you had.

1806
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:25,320
I was just going to mention for Kremlin while you're on it.

1807
02:31:25,640 --> 02:31:29,420
It might be better for the people that you're going to use Kremlin all down there.

1808
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:34,860
They might want to relook at the plan and just see, sort of, sign off on it or see if there's

1809
02:31:34,860 --> 02:31:35,820
things that have changed.

1810
02:31:36,200 --> 02:31:39,240
The people that are actually going to be using it, whether they're needs changed, you know,

1811
02:31:40,220 --> 02:31:40,720
you're, um, Jordan.

1812
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:45,540
Yeah, that's probably an evolving discussion and we've had, we've had meetings and if there's

1813
02:31:45,540 --> 02:31:50,060
any changes that we need to make, we can certainly do that because I think it's still early

1814
02:31:50,060 --> 02:31:50,340
enough.

1815
02:31:50,340 --> 02:31:51,620
But I do want to get started.

1816
02:31:51,740 --> 02:31:53,780
You want to make sure that, just because it's a ten-year-old plan

1817
02:31:53,780 --> 02:31:55,620
that this is still what their needs are.

1818
02:31:55,960 --> 02:31:57,640
And I'm just looking at Hodges Park.

1819
02:31:57,980 --> 02:31:59,220
I'd also ask that group.

1820
02:31:59,340 --> 02:32:01,020
I word over that I'd never been there before.

1821
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:01,500
Live there.

1822
02:32:01,580 --> 02:32:02,220
I walk by forever.

1823
02:32:02,420 --> 02:32:03,580
I knew, never drove back.

1824
02:32:03,960 --> 02:32:04,460
It's a mess.

1825
02:32:04,620 --> 02:32:05,720
You could have a picture over right here.

1826
02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:08,680
So on some of these, like, if that was filled in years ago

1827
02:32:08,680 --> 02:32:12,060
and took a bunch of money, if it's going to cost so much money,

1828
02:32:12,360 --> 02:32:14,140
the question is, is it worth it to do it there?

1829
02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:17,820
Or should you try to, if there's somewhere else?

1830
02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:20,180
I've been on, I've tried, I talked to the state.

1831
02:32:20,180 --> 02:32:23,760
I had a call with their people for a Springfield

1832
02:32:24,320 --> 02:32:27,440
other, see if anything was relevant with the hospital.

1833
02:32:27,660 --> 02:32:29,760
They've done a major tree planting thing down there

1834
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:32,320
for hundreds of acres, so they put nice trees

1835
02:32:32,320 --> 02:32:33,500
but they're taking up a lot of space.

1836
02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:35,680
The only other space is possibly available

1837
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:38,060
and I haven't had time to ask the Red Council to go look,

1838
02:32:38,340 --> 02:32:39,940
is there something around Freedom Park

1839
02:32:39,940 --> 02:32:42,400
that is behind it that they saw the state owns

1840
02:32:42,400 --> 02:32:44,200
that could be connected to it?

1841
02:32:44,600 --> 02:32:46,280
So just bring that up,

1842
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:49,100
because again, I'd like to see more things right

1843
02:32:49,100 --> 02:32:52,200
around where they already there so you can just add a little road and you've got parking

1844
02:32:52,200 --> 02:32:54,360
and you've got some, you've got some things they're already.

1845
02:32:54,960 --> 02:33:01,680
So if indeed, you know, if something is already poor and it maybe isn't the best place

1846
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:05,120
to do it because it, like Hodges Park makes sync again, it might be the best place to dump

1847
02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:05,560
the money.

1848
02:33:05,920 --> 02:33:08,960
If there's nowhere else, maybe that's what you've got to do, but don't just do it because

1849
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:09,400
it's there.

1850
02:33:09,940 --> 02:33:15,040
You know, look, look for maybe other opportunities that might be more long-term, efficient

1851
02:33:16,020 --> 02:33:19,220
And asked to even read them get guys to go.

1852
02:33:19,460 --> 02:33:22,520
I've tried to look at Google Maps, but I've lost my

1853
02:33:22,520 --> 02:33:23,400
tension span for it.

1854
02:33:23,460 --> 02:33:25,180
I've had the conversation with the state.

1855
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:27,240
There's a few things possible down there,

1856
02:33:27,320 --> 02:33:28,840
but not actually on the Springfield side.

1857
02:33:29,060 --> 02:33:31,980
Unless the veterans thing doesn't go through,

1858
02:33:32,080 --> 02:33:33,260
but we're praying that that goes through.

1859
02:33:33,820 --> 02:33:35,140
So don't want to touch that for another 10 years.

1860
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:36,520
But you understand what I'm saying.

1861
02:33:37,000 --> 02:33:39,260
I noticed there's a couple other fields in here that are poor.

1862
02:33:39,620 --> 02:33:40,920
And they're not used.

1863
02:33:41,140 --> 02:33:43,220
And if they're not used, or they're not used because they're poor,

1864
02:33:43,220 --> 02:33:45,340
or they're not using them, just because they don't need them.

1865
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:49,160
Yeah, Hodges Park is a unique one because of the, like I said,

1866
02:33:49,280 --> 02:33:50,420
that was a previous landfills.

1867
02:33:50,960 --> 02:33:53,500
No, I'm just saying don't just feel like they're on their keeps on

1868
02:33:53,500 --> 02:33:55,180
sinking and it might not be worth it.

1869
02:33:55,180 --> 02:33:57,400
We could put solar, if it doesn't work,

1870
02:33:57,540 --> 02:33:58,620
maybe put solar, pardon me.

1871
02:33:58,620 --> 02:34:00,540
Yeah, the freedom does use quite a bit of it.

1872
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:02,280
And they do, they don't have to come with that.

1873
02:34:02,660 --> 02:34:06,980
And to your point, Commissioner Krebs, when that list was put together,

1874
02:34:07,500 --> 02:34:09,700
we did not go out to the Red Councils and ask,

1875
02:34:09,780 --> 02:34:11,940
is this what you think is a priority for you?

1876
02:34:11,940 --> 02:34:14,320
And I think that piece is missing.

1877
02:34:14,860 --> 02:34:18,640
And the other thing is, in the long term, I know in Latin

1878
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:20,080
Canada, we're on a grand art place.

1879
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:22,240
Every of the, everyone in the high schools have beautiful

1880
02:34:22,240 --> 02:34:22,920
for tough fields.

1881
02:34:23,160 --> 02:34:23,880
My grand art is seven.

1882
02:34:24,040 --> 02:34:27,000
She said she'd never play a grass again, like, but they use

1883
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:29,620
those all weekend and the little kids play sideways.

1884
02:34:29,700 --> 02:34:31,260
And they have just taped the goes on the ground.

1885
02:34:31,700 --> 02:34:34,220
So they have four games at a time.

1886
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:37,400
And so it's used constantly by the community.

1887
02:34:38,060 --> 02:34:39,540
So I don't know if there's a long term plan,

1888
02:34:39,540 --> 02:34:42,660
the school system sort of valued that number of years ago.

1889
02:34:43,220 --> 02:34:46,920
But it's something to think about because we do overused these fields and then we put lights on.

1890
02:34:47,080 --> 02:34:50,580
I mean you put lights on fields, they're going to be overused because they're grass.

1891
02:34:50,740 --> 02:34:51,540
They're never rested.

1892
02:34:52,280 --> 02:34:55,360
And so putting lights on a turf field at a high school where they could be using it.

1893
02:34:55,400 --> 02:34:57,060
And then the community could use it on the weekends.

1894
02:34:57,820 --> 02:34:58,940
It's just a conversation.

1895
02:34:59,580 --> 02:34:59,960
Might...

1896
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,640
We need to come up again to have them regionally. And then have to be a plan for that.

1897
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:11,840
All right. Well, thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. We will get you the emails with the criteria that we think might be considered. And we'll talk about it again in an open.

1898
02:35:11,860 --> 02:35:15,060
Not next week, though, big. Thank you. It's not all of us will be here next week.

1899
02:35:15,660 --> 02:35:16,120
That's correct.

1900
02:35:16,140 --> 02:35:16,840
The following.

1901
02:35:17,640 --> 02:35:18,980
Yeah. Next week. Right.

1902
02:35:19,260 --> 02:35:20,080
The next week. That will be.

1903
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:20,980
Right.

1904
02:35:21,180 --> 02:35:23,640
Okay. So we will not schedule it for next week.

1905
02:35:23,720 --> 02:35:23,940
Okay.

1906
02:35:24,200 --> 02:35:24,980
All right.

1907
02:35:25,140 --> 02:35:26,360
Thank you. Thank you very much.

1908
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:27,100
Thank you.

1909
02:35:28,620 --> 02:35:28,860
All right. Thank you.

1910
02:35:28,860 --> 02:35:29,020
Thank you.

1911
02:35:29,020 --> 02:35:34,120
All right, unless you will move into the public comment portion of hour. I probably have more questions

1912
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:36,900
I have to answer

1913
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:41,440
And I will email you about him still lines

1914
02:35:42,100 --> 02:35:46,540
We'd like to hear back from with the rent councils. That's about all this and what do they seeing this yet?

1915
02:35:46,740 --> 02:35:47,100
What's that?

1916
02:35:47,320 --> 02:35:48,040
They seeing this down.

1917
02:35:48,580 --> 02:35:50,880
They will, but see, they will

1918
02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:53,580
Because we got to get this group going with you guys.

1919
02:35:55,800 --> 02:36:02,780
So we've got right for that, I think, well, I say, I see we, I think Rick and Park says a plan for that.

1920
02:36:03,220 --> 02:36:05,320
Deb, do we have anybody here for public comments?

1921
02:36:05,640 --> 02:36:06,340
We do not.

1922
02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:09,280
Matt, do we have anybody on the line for public comment?

1923
02:36:10,440 --> 02:36:11,380
No, sir, we do not.

1924
02:36:11,620 --> 02:36:12,500
All right, thank you very much.

1925
02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:14,740
We'll now move into the admin open section of the agenda.

1926
02:36:14,940 --> 02:36:17,120
Does anybody have anything today for admin open?

1927
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:19,280
All right, hearing none.

1928
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:25,560
need a motion to approve the closed minutes for cyber security from August 27, 2026.

1929
02:36:26,520 --> 02:36:27,800
We have a motion to be the second.

1930
02:36:29,320 --> 02:36:30,340
We have a motion to be the second.

1931
02:36:30,500 --> 02:36:31,240
Is there any discussion?

1932
02:36:32,220 --> 02:36:33,440
Here are none all those in favor?

1933
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:34,040
Aye.

1934
02:36:34,660 --> 02:36:35,380
All those opposed?

1935
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:37,560
Motion carries unanimously.

1936
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,360
We will now move into agenda review.

1937
02:36:44,500 --> 02:36:44,900
Good morning.

1938
02:36:45,020 --> 02:36:45,860
One to how are you?

1939
02:36:49,930 --> 02:36:50,130
All right.

1940
02:36:50,310 --> 02:36:53,790
It's a first up agenda review for the week of Monday, September 7.

1941
02:36:53,790 --> 02:36:58,270
Monday, September 7th, county offices will be closed in observance of Labor Day.

1942
02:36:58,650 --> 02:37:03,190
Tuesday, September 8th, 10 o'clock a.m. Board of County Commissioners open session, which

1943
02:37:03,190 --> 02:37:07,890
is a work session for retirement zone and codes. There will be no public comment at that,

1944
02:37:07,890 --> 02:37:12,430
but everybody who is interested in streaming or attending is welcome to do so.

1945
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:18,310
For clock PM, Chamber of Commerce, Leadership at Vest, I'm sorry, Leadership Carol PM Connections,

1946
02:37:18,310 --> 02:37:21,710
class of 2027 Reception at Best Western and West

1947
02:37:21,710 --> 02:37:22,110
Minister.

1948
02:37:22,650 --> 02:37:23,650
And then at 7 o'clock PM,

1949
02:37:23,750 --> 02:37:25,470
Egg Center Board Meeting at the Egg Center

1950
02:37:25,470 --> 02:37:26,210
and West Minister.

1951
02:37:26,890 --> 02:37:29,150
Once they September 9th, Farm Museum Board Meeting,

1952
02:37:29,150 --> 02:37:30,710
I will be attending that.

1953
02:37:31,290 --> 02:37:33,770
Thursday, September 10th, 8 o'clock AM Board of County

1954
02:37:33,770 --> 02:37:35,690
Commissioners closed administrative file by

1955
02:37:35,690 --> 02:37:37,170
open at 9 o'clock.

1956
02:37:37,450 --> 02:37:38,970
Item number one priority, Carol.

1957
02:37:39,390 --> 02:37:41,110
Item number two, contracted word for

1958
02:37:41,110 --> 02:37:43,410
courthouse annexation envelope.

1959
02:37:44,250 --> 02:37:44,750
Envelope.

1960
02:37:44,750 --> 02:37:46,050
Ruth window replacement.

1961
02:37:46,050 --> 02:37:51,950
Item number three contract renewal for geographic information system software maintenance and support.

1962
02:37:52,370 --> 02:37:58,050
Item number four, spending authority for Chesapeake Employers Insurance for Carroll County Volunteer Emergency Services Association.

1963
02:37:58,730 --> 02:38:01,750
Followed by public comment, add men to open agenda review.

1964
02:38:02,090 --> 02:38:07,250
At 5 o'clock PM, the MML Quarterly Dinner for the City of Westminster Commissioners Kyler and Krebs will be attending.

1965
02:38:07,870 --> 02:38:11,090
And then Friday, September 11th, 2026-830 AM,

1966
02:38:11,090 --> 02:38:20,830
The 911 commemoration ceremony 25th anniversary commemoration ceremony at the public safety training center here in Westminster, and

1967
02:38:20,830 --> 02:38:27,850
No worries the commissioner's Gordon Kyler and myself will be attending

1968
02:38:28,850 --> 02:38:38,590
And I can get information if somebody's interested at dinner the other night a guy invited me to upper coves

1969
02:38:38,590 --> 02:38:45,030
thing and touring the new building down there and that's in the evening because I told him I can't do it in the morning.

1970
02:38:45,270 --> 02:38:51,290
He goes and I'll forward everybody when I get it. It's in the evening they'd love to have us.

1971
02:38:51,390 --> 02:38:53,170
You mean fire department? Is that what you have?

1972
02:38:54,070 --> 02:38:56,850
Thank you very much, Commissioner. Thank you.

1973
02:38:56,970 --> 02:39:01,590
All right, Saturday's September 12th. She was nothing on the formal calendar. Sunday, September 13th.

1974
02:39:01,650 --> 02:39:07,030
Commissioner Tyler has the podcast. Does anybody have any corrections or alterations for the first week of our agenda?

1975
02:39:07,930 --> 02:39:12,590
All right, here and none, I'll move into the second week of our agenda, the week of Monday,

1976
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:14,690
September 14th.

1977
02:39:14,690 --> 02:39:18,910
Monday, September 14th, re-clock PM transit advisory council with Commissioner Kyler.

1978
02:39:19,410 --> 02:39:23,130
Tuesday, September 15th, 9 o'clock AM, planning and zoning commission with Commissioner

1979
02:39:23,130 --> 02:39:23,570
Gordon.

1980
02:39:24,210 --> 02:39:29,170
12 o'clock PM, former students and friends of Robert Moton High School lunchbox talk at the

1981
02:39:29,170 --> 02:39:31,490
Historical Society with Commissioner's Gordon and Kyler.

1982
02:39:31,490 --> 02:39:37,410
Also, 12 o'clock PM, the judging of Carroll County Arts Council exhibits for commissioners

1983
02:39:37,410 --> 02:39:37,950
to a support.

1984
02:39:38,190 --> 02:39:44,210
I will be attending that and then also at 2 o'clock PM, the Veterans Advisory Meeting

1985
02:39:44,210 --> 02:39:45,570
with Commissioners Gordon and Kyler.

1986
02:39:46,230 --> 02:39:49,590
Wednesday, September 16th, 2026, I don't know what I'm reading the year.

1987
02:39:50,270 --> 02:39:59,410
Wednesday, September 16th, M.D. consolidated transportation program tour, all of us are

1988
02:39:59,410 --> 02:39:59,750
County.

1989
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:07,120
Community College Board of Trustees meeting with Commissioner Kyler, and at 7 o'clock PM, emergency services advisory council with Commissioner Garron.

1990
02:40:07,880 --> 02:40:14,040
There is a September 17th, 8 o'clock AM Board of Commissioners closed to admin filed by open at 9 o'clock AM.

1991
02:40:14,300 --> 02:40:21,000
Item 1 priority, Carol, and the aging your way expo, I guess that will be a presentation on the pending aging your way expo.

1992
02:40:21,780 --> 02:40:27,360
Item 2, approval of resolution for consideration of bond, bond authorizing resolution.

1993
02:40:27,360 --> 02:40:56,780
Item number 3, text amendment for chapter 158, cluster subdivision, item number 4, text amendments for chapters 155, 156 and 158, accessory dwelling units, item number 5, text amendments for chapters 91, 155 and 158 for age restricted housing, item number 6 request request approval for bylaws for veterans advisory council and commission on aging and disabilities, item number 7 approval of bylaw revisions for the emergency services advisory council.

1994
02:40:57,360 --> 02:41:01,440
followed by public comments, administrative session open, and agenda review.

1995
02:41:01,940 --> 02:41:07,500
At three o'clock PM, the James D. Ball athletic complex kick-off celebration at the Community College with Commissioner

1996
02:41:07,500 --> 02:41:17,760
Kyler. Friday, September 8. Yes. At 6 p.m. from 6 to 7, that is the Arts Council actually giving

1997
02:41:17,760 --> 02:41:36,900
Commissioner Award that we all judged. I want to try to make it there but at the community college there's two games following the thing so I'll put me put that down and put put me down for that.

1998
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:42,760
What would what day is that? Thursday the 17th. Thursday the 17th.

1999
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:50,760
All right, and I've got it on there, okay, so I've got it on my calendar, so yes, I'm going to go to the

2000
02:41:52,580 --> 02:41:57,820
committee college thing, and then I'll probably go to the Arts Council, so it's already up here.

2001
02:41:58,160 --> 02:42:00,820
And Wanda, if you could add me to both of those as well.

2002
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:02,200
Thank you.

2003
02:42:06,590 --> 02:42:07,070
Thank you everybody.

2004
02:42:07,710 --> 02:42:11,630
And Friday, September 18, the 1230 PM, the Manchester Fire Department,

2005
02:42:12,290 --> 02:42:19,710
She's crab feast and then Saturday, September 19th, she was nothing on the formal calendar

2006
02:42:19,710 --> 02:42:22,750
and Sunday, September 20th, Commissioner Gordon has the podcast.

2007
02:42:23,350 --> 02:42:27,090
Are there any other additions, corrections or alterations to the second week of our agenda?

2008
02:42:27,830 --> 02:42:35,010
The man just, they're far apart, men's crab feast, can't be that day.

2009
02:42:36,490 --> 02:42:38,930
I'll have to look at what the data is.

2010
02:42:39,550 --> 02:42:42,490
I'm not here, so I definitely won't be there.

2011
02:42:42,810 --> 02:42:47,550
But I don't think it's that day, but let me double check.

2012
02:42:48,570 --> 02:42:49,790
I know I have those emails.

2013
02:42:49,970 --> 02:42:53,710
So that'll be pending then for the chiefs crab feast.

2014
02:42:55,850 --> 02:42:59,290
Does anybody have any other alterations or corrections for that week?

2015
02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:03,770
Art here and none, I need a motion to go into closed for land acquisition

2016
02:43:03,770 --> 02:43:05,410
and then to adjourn thereafter.

2017
02:43:05,650 --> 02:43:06,210
So move.

2018
02:43:06,490 --> 02:43:07,790
Be the motion we have a second.

2019
02:43:07,890 --> 02:43:08,250
Second.

2020
02:43:08,690 --> 02:43:09,690
Be the motion we have a second.

2021
02:43:09,950 --> 02:43:10,610
All those in favor?

2022
02:43:10,810 --> 02:43:11,090
All right.

2023
02:43:11,610 --> 02:43:12,330
All those opposed?

2024
02:43:13,870 --> 02:43:14,090
All right.