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good evening it is 5:15 this uh Monday

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November 13th the Carol City Council is

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now in session would you all please uh

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rise and join with me for the Pledge of

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Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the

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flag of the United States of America and

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to the Republic for which it stands one

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nation under God indivisible with liy

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and justice for

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all thank

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you okay for r call all are present um

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we have before us tonight the consent

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agenda and as always we have approval of

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the minutes of the prior meeting this

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case October 23rd we have approval of

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this Cycle's bills and claims uh we have

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a couple of licenses and permits to

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approve a new special 5-day Class C

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retail alcohol license with outdoor

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service for November 23rd 20 24th of 23

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for a Black Friday event at Katie ly

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Boutique with lucky wife wine

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slushies and then also a Class B retail

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alcohol license and kemus Country Store

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number two uh we also have um the um

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2023 Municipal Golf Course booster pump

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project station project the construction

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materials inspection and testing round

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testing

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proposal um also in the consent agenda

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we have the merchants ballpark lease uh

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for the 24 season with the Carol

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Merchants we also have a bid opening

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report parks and tractor uh Parks

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tractor and bucket and then bid opening

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report is in there as well as the annual

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urban renewal report for fiscal year

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2223 the state annual financial report

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for fiscal year

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2223 as well as the city street Finance

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report for fiscal year 222 23 uh are

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there any questions or comments about

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tonight's consent agenda and if not I

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would seek a motion to approve approve

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as

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presented so moved Tom second JJ any

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further

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discussion hearing none roll call please

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Power yeso yesk yes Bas yes D yes yes

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thank you item number four on tonight's

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agenda as always we have oral requests

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and Communications from the audience

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this is where the members of the public

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wishing to address the council for an

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item that is not on tonight's agenda may

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come forth and do so at this time and

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these comments are limited to five

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minutes or less do we have one yes I

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do uh done War home toal performance GW

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property at uh 8:14 West 6 Street in

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Carrol um what's going to take to get

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that road paath guys it's um Carol's

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hottest dirt track uh I get County

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trucks going up and down at 54 mph our

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speed limits 25 I have a certified radar

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gun the dust is out of control um I've

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been down 11 years I've seen the city

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run a snow PL one time in the winter

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time 11 years it's not maintained it's a

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dust bow can we get it PA the whole

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Street's full of businesses it's the

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only place in Carol we have a dirt road

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that we got businesses

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on what road talking about West six

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Street indust yep I even brought I

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brought c b can you put that up on the

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right where that red dot is put it

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underneath

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there all right um up in the corner got

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a little arrow pointing down it runs

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from basically Ry diesel down to Highway

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vok that in the city limits yes I pay

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city taxes it's City Limits why is it

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not why is it not paid

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curious over

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the several years ago to pave that and

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it was a special assessment project the

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road had always been gravel now obiously

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but entered a special assessment project

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for Paving and it was rejected by the

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adjacent owners at the time I know a lot

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of properties have changed hands since

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that time but it had been addressed at

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one time cuz it is full of businesses

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Now isn't there a bunch of new buildings

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oh yeah

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full and like I said I've never been

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notified for anything in 11 years I've

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owned it and I've talked to other

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business owners along there and um

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fortunately they could not make this

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meeting but they said they'll make the

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next one if there is next one about it

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and um it's time to get

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aath is that something we talk about

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budgeting or that something you vote on

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well again we for protocol we I I had

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told Benton a couple weeks ago I see he

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can bring it you know to probably the

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more appropriate thing to do is to get

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it on an agenda okay I spoke with um

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Aaron about that and um he told me I

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need to come here and bring it up like

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We Are Tonight first which is fine and

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then we can go through it from there

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yeah and the council is not obligated to

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respond if at all I mean you know we can

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certainly ask questions at our will but

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you know we can just it's been noted

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within our minutes so we noted in our

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minutes that uh a request has been made

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and then we can take it up and put it

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into the standard CIP process you know

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beginning as early as this cycle but you

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know that's going to be a council

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decision and and so on so um so just to

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confirm there's gravel on the North and

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the South side of the tracks correct so

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yeah I believe so I I'm certainly aware

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of it on his side South sides farmr or

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sides

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businesses Randy H how long is the uh

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Street how much I mean is it quarter

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mile I I can't probably three4 of three

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qu quarters I'll agree with

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that it goes from right behind oh the

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Pam Avenue adjacent IV from there out to

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burges okay okay thank you last five

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years a lot of businesses have moved out

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there developed

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yeah so I think with this coming to us

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tonight I think it's a good opportunity

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for the council now knows aware of the

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issue and then we can talk about it in

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our strategic planning session coming up

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as to where we want to put it what we

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want to do with it as far as in our

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streets plan which I'm sure we have I

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haven't looked at it real close but I

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know we're going to have a number of

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projects that we're already scheduled to

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move forward with so how we want to fit

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that in if we want to look at an assess

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assessment project we can certainly do

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that since it's never been paved so I

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think that's actually a good opportunity

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for that type of a project but moving

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forward I think that's that's the proper

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way to look at it as far as we have

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people interested in that being paved at

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this point and then moving forward we

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can talk it in our strategic planning

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and then program it into our uh streets

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plan from

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there okay sewer and water's already

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there is it oh yeah oh yeah sewer water

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yeah I mean it's all developed I mean

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it's not even empty lock there anymore

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but it's all developed all the way down

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so thank you guys thank you you very

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much and again it is noted that you've

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made a request perfect thank

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you okay very well so we will move to uh

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the other items tonight's agenda

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beginning with uh under five we have

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ordinances and we will start first with

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you Aaron and Rolling Hill South condo's

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second urban renewal plan and this is

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our second reading correct correct okay

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this is the uh ordinance that puts in

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place the urban renewal area down in the

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uh Southeast southwest corner of the

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city for the urban renewal plan with 702

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development 704 704 uh I would recommend

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probably waving the second how do we

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work read third read the second wave the

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third okay read the second and wave the

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third readings to approve this ordinance

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to get this uh urban renewal area

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place any questions for

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Aaron okay so the recommendation is to

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approve the second wave the third is

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there a motion to that

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effect was a

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tie I give it to Carolyn better looking

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okay okay By Carolyn seconded by lever

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uh any further discussion and it is to

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wave the third then correct y okay any

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further discussion hearing none roll

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call please face yes yes yes yes yes perfect thank you under five I'm

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sorry we're done with five so under six

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under resolutions no notion oh I got to

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adopt that don't I sorry and there's a

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resolution with this as that's why I put

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that note on there that I skipped right

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by I need to adopt that so is there a

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motion to adopt the uh said resol yep

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second uh by

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Le and then Carolyn any further

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discussion heing none roll call please

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yes yes power yes yes yes yes thank you

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aded thank you and then under

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resolutions tonight Aaron you're on up

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to bat again uh region 12 we need to

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finish the resolution authorizing

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confirming the how am I

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missing for urban Ren project well we

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adopted we adopted the ordinance but

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yeah we didn't talk about it during our

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discussion here okay I'm sorry that's

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all right I I kind of put this together

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so basically what this resolution does

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is allows us to be able to capture or

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repay the city for the administrative

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cost it was to set up the I don't want

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to break any rules so thanks for the

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catch after we get done working through

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the development of process or the

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development agreement the obligation

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there so now I need another motion for

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the resolution

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then so moved Carolyn seconded by JJ any

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further discussion hearing none roll

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call please Power yes a yeso yes yes

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Shrek yes SE yes resolution is approved

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can I move to resolutions yet let's do

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it okay let's do that I think I'll do

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that region region 12 Council of

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governments home construction and Rehab

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agreement Aaron um you have a copy of

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the actual agreement with highlighted

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sections changed in front of you we

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actually had the old agreement that we

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had prior to us making the changes that

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had the well the current one with the

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purchase of lots we would repay uh

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region 12 for those purchase of lots so

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in the agreement you have in front of us

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it's highlighted where it where it talks

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about a rehabilitation or what we would

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do if if uh region 12 was doing a

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rehabilitated unit rather than a

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purchase of an old or empty lot and then

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a new house the most what I would call

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the most important changes are under

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2.1 responsibilities of the Cog under

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number three it says rehabilitate homes

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ensuring all major infrastructure will

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be serviceable for at least 10 years to

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include roof Foundation sighting Windows

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HVAC electrical systems Plumbing total

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project investment excluding the

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residential purchase or resident

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purchase will be at least $100,000 per

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rehabilitation unit so we would be

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investing

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$30,000 with region 12 basically to

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purchase the house and then region 12

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would be doing the investment to

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rehabilitate the house the other part of

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that would then be that this project

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would be eligible for the cogs local

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Housing Trust Fund which is very s

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similar to LMI funds or an LMI qualified

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financing but it actually opens it up to

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a little bit more of individuals that uh

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make a little bit more money than what

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LMI would qualify

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for so that's kind of the agreement in a

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nutshell aside from what we did

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before uh Randy is here if you have any

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specific questions for him but I can

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certainly mean Rick Rick Randy Rick ry's

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over

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here Rick is here but U otherwise the

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agreements hasn't changed a lot it's

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pretty similar to what we had had before

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but just adding a rehabilitation option

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rather than trying to find empty lots so

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Rick one question I have maybe I'm

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overlooking this is if I would purchase

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one of these homes how long do I have to

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own this before I can resell

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this so um there really you could resell

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it at any time the question is is there

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any recapture provision if there is if

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we enroll this as this would be set up

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to do that 15 ,000 in uh the grant that

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we've got through the state the the

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person would be purchasing the house at

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fair market value so if that happens and

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they purchase it at fair market value

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and we provide no down payment

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assistance there is no clawback there's

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no regulation that they would have to

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keep at any specific period of time but

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they're paying full fair market value

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for it if there is a benefit to them

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which is probably going to come in the

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form of down payment assistance which we

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would do through that State article

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program there there's a specific clra

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provision which would be based upon the

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amount of assistance that would be

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provided to them probably a five-year

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forgivable period because I can't

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imagine that the down payment assistance

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will be more than5 or $10,000 but that's

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going to depend upon the buyer uh or it

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may be outside of this program so we

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talked about the Housing Trust Fund that

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itself has a down payment

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assistance portion of it so it may be

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outside this other funding but through a separate funding agreement and again a

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5 to 10 year uh forgiv ability period

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should there be

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any am I missing it where it it needs to

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be occupied I see the 18 months of the

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construction time has to be done but it

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doesn't say anything about having to be

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occupied like the program we have now

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it's owner occupied in 18 months right

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but there's nothing in here saying you

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know you can have this and remod model

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it but our goal is to get our you know

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people in homes yes so we don't have

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anything in here that it has to be

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occupied well the goal in in the con in

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here it says it's intent is to have

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single family owner occupied homes

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where's that at I missed it uh it's in

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.2 and in both paragraphs when it talks

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about Rehabilitation and for new

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construction but

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if if it takes longer to get it sold

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than 18 months what what are we going to

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do I I don't think we would do anything

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other than say Rick keep trying to sell

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the house okay right I don't want to sit

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on empty

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houses it's fine

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just what we discussed

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it yeah that would be our goal and the program that we have through the

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state that has to be own

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occupied

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okay were you thinking of a situation

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where somebody may buy it and rent it

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out or just sit on it for a while and

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wait for CES to cheat you know just it

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yeah so I mean that's probably a good

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question but you kind of just answered

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that I think yeah yeah the rental the no

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rental provision on a rehabed house is

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going to happen if we do down payment

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assistance which I tell you we will do

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on everyone because if we don't do a

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little bit then that repayment ability

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is that whole 150,000 which nobody's

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going to buy a house that they have to

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pay any money that they've already given

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us so we'll do a degree of down payment

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assistance with every house and that

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would have that fiveyear part of the

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default as if they would rent it which

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some it's very hard to uh enforce easier

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for us to enforce in Carol because we're

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here uh but that is that would be

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written that's a um one of the uh

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situations of default in that clawback

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agreement we're looking at vacant homes

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aren doing this yes so that would be uh

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well anything that's on the market so it

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may not be currently vacant for example

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it may be a rental house that has a

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renter in it that's on the market and

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available we're not going to want to I'm

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not going to want to buy anything that

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has a renter currently in it because

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these are federal funds and then that

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will kick in a particular set of

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unpleasant things to do as far as

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relocation is concern concerned so

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generally it's going to be houses that

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are vacant are available for sale that's

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what we're going to be looking for or

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it's 657a or it's a donated homes

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um well our goal is to create more

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housing so you want to build a vacant

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home you don't want to have somebody

403
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renting and then they're out and you

404
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remodel you know and you get somebody

405
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you haven't really created any extra

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housing or a vacant home you will on

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this true I and this is your program to

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determine how you wish to have it run

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I'll give you two reasons why I think

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having somebody rent even if it's a

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rental unit why you would want to think

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about enrolling it in this program one

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is that it's an owner occupied program

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so that you transition that person into

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Home Ownership second is uh the amount

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of Rehabilitation that we're going to

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put into that housing unit is probably

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going to be more than a person that is

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renting it now that may not be 100% true

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but just looking at the repayment that

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you're going to have on the rent that

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you're going to collect over a period of

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time who's going to stick $150,000 into

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a house and where that becomes an

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advantage is that housing unit then is a

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long-term housing unit for the community

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as opposed to potentially continuing to

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degrade over time which I'm not saying

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that happens in Carol but there are a

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lot of rental units that don't see as

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much investment just because it doesn't

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pay for the person that's owning them to

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put that investment in the home so even

434
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though it may have a renter that's

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currently in it and that may hurt your

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rental market which I know we need to

437
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have rental units those are the two

438
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reasons that I would say that maybe you

439
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don't want to worry about it but if you

440
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do want to worry about it it's your

441
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program and you can tell me what you

442
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want to do and we'll do whatever you

443
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want hear that LE you get your own

444
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program the Royal the Royal U this what

445
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I I I would also ask um you mentioned

446
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that you're looking for homes that are

447
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currently on the market are are you guys

448
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searching out homes that are maybe

449
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currently in foreclosure or we have uh I mean our our feelers are

450
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out there we have looked at houses that

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are on

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foreclosure sometimes that the part of

453
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the reason that they're in foreclosure

454
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is because they're behind and they're

455
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behind on what the value of the house is

456
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so it just kind of depends on how much

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the financial institution would want for

458
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it uh but anything we would look for

459
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anything I've got if we if I'm looking

460
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to I've got really six slots to do one

461
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slot is through a specific state of Iowa

462
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program I don't have as much money so my

463
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house is going to have to not need as

464
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much uh that we en roll into that

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program or not cost me as much the other

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five I've got one of those five slots

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taken currently uh so we're actively

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looking for projects for those and of

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course this is only the rehab part of

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this I'd still like lots which as you

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know it's tough to find an infill lot in

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Carol that's going to be available that

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is uh a price where we can actually put

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a house on it and sell to the price

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point that we're trying to get at so

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it's not a bad thing I mean if we're if

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we end up not finding any infill Lots

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either because other people are are

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buying them to put houses on it that's

480
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great because that's the goal we want

481
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right even if even if we highlight lots

482
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and say why don't we do a project here

483
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and they end up going somewhere else and

484
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a house gets built that's what the goal

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is so it doesn't matter if we do it if

486
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the private sector will do it that's

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awesome is that the reason for the the ask for the change from the

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construct to

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or you can't find any Lots is that I did

490
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not ask for the change but I think

491
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that's probably part of the reason that

492
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the change is thrown out there is

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because we have the money available from

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the state to put significant amounts in

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and so the city's essentially putting up

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money to say look at projects in our

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community to invest that large amount so

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that would be one change the second is

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we haven't been able to locate lot one

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yet that um and we went around with the

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city of help of the city to look at all

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potential vacant lots to see what was

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developable what made sense what wasn't

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already you know if it's a lot that's

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owned by a neighbor they're not that's

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their yard they're not going to be

507
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interested in selling that and just have

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not been able to come upon anything yet

509
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that's available in

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town some of it came from the state

511
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housing convention I went to and they

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talked about if you want to you know get

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housing faster in your town this is one

514
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of the fastest

515
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ways okay I guess my question was I mean

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the whole thought behind that was we're

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idea was to construct to kind of promote

518
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that as well I mean now we're going to

519
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existing that are potentially already

520
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occupied so for me it was I mean I was

521
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kind of on the fence in the beginning

522
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anyways but to construct which is going

523
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to put up new housing and now we're

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going to rehab which isn't providing any

525
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new housing potentially well if it's

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vacant would be if it's vacant but we

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can't guarantee that we're going to get

528
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a vacant house well they can do your

529
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best at going after vacants well and

530
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again you tell me what vacant is I me

531
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generally anything that's on the

532
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Market's probably going to be vacant but

533
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if there is I mean we want to work with

534
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you so if there's something specific

535
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that you want us to stay away from then

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we will

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when I when I look at vacon I would look

538
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at pulling like water meters hey which

539
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one hasn't had service in a certain

540
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period of time you mean abandoned yes

541
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yeah yeah yeah right a't that the better

542
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term for that yeah probably better than

543
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vacant yeah um my house is vacant right

544
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now no one's home right now over over a

545
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,440
period of time I would just hate

546
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,480
to to buy homes that are on the market

547
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,440
for people that are potential buyers

548
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,080
right now especially with the limited

549
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,799
selection so I think for me I think if

550
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:34,400
we go after something that's sitting

551
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,279
abandoned for a period of time two three

552
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:40,480
four years um or that hasn't had any

553
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,159
activity there that would I would be

554
00:23:43,159 --> 00:23:44,720
more in favor of that versus something

555
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,440
that's on the

556
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,159
market I my only reaction to that and

557
00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:51,360
again we'll do whatever you want to do

558
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,279
it is going to be hard for us to be able

559
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,760
to do something that's vacant because

560
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,600
generally that's going to need an entire

561
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,840
new rewire it's going to need all new

562
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:00,960
Plumbing you're probably going to have

563
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,559
to blow out the kitchen sighting Windows

564
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,000
roof the house we're doing in Kon Rapids

565
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,880
were not doing a lot in the interior

566
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,240
we're at 120,000 already for a house

567
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,480
that assessed it 70,000 that was donated

568
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,600
to us and part of that is because I

569
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,480
don't have a crew you know we're hiring

570
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,799
all this work done by local contractors

571
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,480
and so uh if we had a a crew we could

572
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080
probably do it and and get a lot more

573
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,200
done then I do through the procurement

574
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,080
methods that we need to follow to hire

575
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,440
somebody not that's not to say that

576
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,039
there aren't some abandoned houses that

577
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:39,000
have been cared for but typically if you

578
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,640
really want to make it a serviceable

579
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,200
unit for somebody that if you're going

580
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,240
to sell the low mod income they're not

581
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,840
going to have really the ability to go

582
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,559
out and take out larger loans that they

583
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:49,919
can deal with the failure of a furnace

584
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,200
or a hole in a roof so we want to make

585
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,960
sure that we've kind of got that

586
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,600
exterior envelope all set to go for them

587
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,320
and that's without any foundation

588
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,960
problems uh so it can be we've been

589
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,520
through a lot of houses that cities were

590
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,840
going to take on

591
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,360
657a and you look at the outside of it

592
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:09,240
and think I'm I'm at 150 before I even

593
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,480
step inside uh the house and usually

594
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,720
that's because there's Foundation

595
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,120
problems but uh that's where that's

596
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,080
where those type of abandoned properties

597
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,159
can be tough but that's not all of them

598
00:25:21,159 --> 00:25:24,080
there's and and we only need five uh

599
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,159
throughout the region to figure out

600
00:25:27,159 --> 00:25:28,520
where we might be able to make a

601
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,399
significant difference but so what's really The Sweet Spot for a

602
00:25:32,399 --> 00:25:34,240
purchase I know something that small

603
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,919
communities have that we ask what are

604
00:25:36,919 --> 00:25:38,720
you you're going my house I think it's

605
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399
going to depend on the house um I'm

606
00:25:41,399 --> 00:25:43,159
looking on the real estate right now and

607
00:25:43,159 --> 00:25:46,039
there's like five of them under 140,000

608
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:49,159
yeah that's so that's going to be tough

609
00:25:49,159 --> 00:25:51,919
for but I mean they're they are out

610
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,840
there periodically but I would think if

611
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480
there's something 50 60 we're not

612
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,679
looking at a huge

613
00:25:58,679 --> 00:26:02,559
house you know probably

614
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,039
two-bedroom you know infill can be

615
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:06,159
smaller

616
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:10,640
yard it's it's not easy I mean and the

617
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,640
Carol Market's tough but the goal of

618
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,159
this program is to take those houses

619
00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:19,760
that really need a lot of infrastructure

620
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,240
work to make sure that they don't become

621
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,480
dilapidated and lost housing units in 20

622
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:32,360
years to make them last a lot longer well are there any abandoned ones

623
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,360
on Carol that we know well you

624
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,240
identified you identified 15 Midsummer

625
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,919
15 of them and and there was probably

626
00:26:40,919 --> 00:26:43,480
just doing like a driveby there was

627
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,640
probably six or seven of them that

628
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,159
appeared to be fine now maybe they had a

629
00:26:49,159 --> 00:26:51,919
severe structural problem unb notes to

630
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:54,440
the naked eye but there was five six

631
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,520
seven of them that looked pretty and we

632
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,159
know for one for sure was definitely

633
00:26:58,159 --> 00:26:59,919
decent they were just waiting for a

634
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:08,000
family issue to get settled um but there was some to start with you know I

635
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,440
think those are the ones that we'd

636
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,440
really be in that we can do the best

637
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,679
because to your point they're vacant

638
00:27:12,679 --> 00:27:14,679
they're not being lived in now right the

639
00:27:14,679 --> 00:27:17,880
only problem with all 15 of those they

640
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,559
weren't necessarily up for sale right

641
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:21,200
this minute right you know they're not

642
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,480
putting them up for

643
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,679
sale you you get the uh answer well I'm

644
00:27:26,679 --> 00:27:29,000
going to work on them and inv or you

645
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,039
know improve it and then I'm going to

646
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,840
put up for sale well some some of these

647
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Builders we know aren't going to get

648
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,159
around to it anytime soon and some of

649
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:44,760
them had work in process but hadn't hammered a nail in months so so

650
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,559
we're looking at you know talking about

651
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,600
adding this AR to the new home so we're

652
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,919
still going to stay with the new home

653
00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,080
project buying lots and doing that so

654
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,600
we're looking at an alternative here so

655
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,760
the the the decision would I would

656
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,840
imagine comes with region 12 is this

657
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,519
doesn't pencil out on this particular

658
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:02,080
home so we're not going to do

659
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,080
it so that would be on you guys we don't

660
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,720
get involved in that that is correct

661
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,360
okay so if if things don't pencil out on

662
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,919
these used homes or abandoned homes then

663
00:28:12,919 --> 00:28:15,159
you you still have the new home that we

664
00:28:15,159 --> 00:28:18,039
have in you know in place now yes as

665
00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:20,320
long as we can find lots but yes yeah

666
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320
well that's as long as you can find an

667
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240
abandoned home that's worth fixing up

668
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,640
too the same scenario right so you may

669
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,840
get into this and it's not working very

670
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,760
well on half the homes that you're

671
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,480
looking at you don't know that until you

672
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,799
get going but but it's just another

673
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,240
Avenue for us to get some

674
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,600
homes and if they don't pencil out then

675
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,600
that's it and ultimately we don't spend

676
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,120
any money till it's found or done ex

677
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,200
exactly and we're not out anything until

678
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,720
we do find a lot or a residence that

679
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,720
region 12 gives the green light too I

680
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,039
just didn't realize there were that many

681
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,240
abandoned properties well we're working

682
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,000
on an ordinance to

683
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,200
work on that also so Tom there are

684
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,039
several um in Ward 4 and I've been told

685
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,720
by the neighbors who have talked to me

686
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,080
about them that they're very rundown

687
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,399
looking and the neighbors have tried to

688
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:17,480
because there are nice houses near these

689
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,039
really prominent isour and neighbors

690
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:24,440
have tried to buy these abandoned homes

691
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,159
and they're getting worse and worse one

692
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:29,440
in particular has been abandoned for 12

693
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,320
years the owner lives I believe in in

694
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,919
Atlantic and they have tried to buy them

695
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:37,840
they will not sell and they're just

696
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,760
leaving them to further

697
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,120
deteriorate and like the neighbors have

698
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,519
just had it and they want us to do

699
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,799
something now this may be these may be

700
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,720
so run down you couldn't meet your price

701
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,120
point Rick but I think there may be some

702
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,240
that could be rehab that Rick could

703
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,279
handle and improve some of these

704
00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:05,000
neighborhoods it's you know it people

705
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,159
are worried about their property values

706
00:30:07,159 --> 00:30:09,720
going down and they're worried also what

707
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,640
if there's a buy or you know all the

708
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,320
problems that can come with

709
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,519
abandonment so I you know re I I think

710
00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:23,000
giving Rick a chance to try can't hurt

711
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,799
us since it's pay as we go I mean it's

712
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:31,880
just enough another option versus infill would be great to get a new home

713
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,679
because it's just a lot somebody's

714
00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:37,240
paying you know taxes on we need we need

715
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,669
to build our tax

716
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:45,159
base so I think it's worth a try they

717
00:30:45,159 --> 00:30:48,630
take a

718
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,240
while so we just need to give direction

719
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,559
on this I mean and simply not I mean our

720
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,639
goal would be to go with the abandonment

721
00:30:58,639 --> 00:31:01,360
right and not the on the

722
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
market

723
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,120
right well I think if I understood Rick

724
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,559
correctly he's he's wanting all

725
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,480
comers did I understand that earlier

726
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,440
yeah the developer I would like to be

727
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,440
able to go after whatever I we could

728
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,440
find to be able to work on if there is

729
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,240
uh a provision that you wish to add to

730
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,679
the contract

731
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,600
uh you can certainly propose that on

732
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,159
that that somehow deals with vacant or

733
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:35,919
provides a definition for what vacant is

734
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:37,720
to where you would feel a house should

735
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,799
be enrolled in the program

736
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,080
or you know that we would have to run it

737
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,519
by the city manager or something if

738
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:44,600
there's language that you want to

739
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,679
propose in the contract

740
00:31:46,679 --> 00:31:48,799
then then you should do that I want you

741
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:52,080
to feel comfortable with it and he said

742
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,080
it's our program you know it's our

743
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,279
program but but he would have more

744
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,559
opportunities if it was even currently

745
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,080
inhabited or rented or whatever I mean

746
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,600
my goal the whole goal is to get vacant

747
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,760
properties the the program that we based

748
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,320
this on was one that we had 15 years ago

749
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,039
that it had to be vacant they defined

750
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,320
vacant is really on the market so even

751
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,639
though it may be your house that you're

752
00:32:15,639 --> 00:32:17,840
selling because you're moving and you

753
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,480
were living in it up until that point

754
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:20,919
because it was on the market we could

755
00:32:20,919 --> 00:32:24,799
acquire it and then rehab it uh we

756
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,320
didn't deal with any that had any rental

757
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,320
in it and I don't want to now because of

758
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,279
the uniform relocation act that I don't

759
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,519
want to get into uh which is a whole

760
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,399
specific other set of rules that we need

761
00:32:35,399 --> 00:32:40,679
to follow so it's it's it's really up to

762
00:32:40,679 --> 00:32:43,960
whatever you're comfortable with because

763
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,039
you know you're the ones that are

764
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,360
investing the funds and you're the

765
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,880
partners and we're not talking about a

766
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,639
lot of houses uh that I can go in and do

767
00:32:50,639 --> 00:32:52,080
this with anyway because I only have a

768
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,679
specific amount of money in this program

769
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:56,559
and I have it it turns into a pumpkin I

770
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:58,200
found I thought thought it was June 30th

771
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,320
but it's actually the end of next year

772
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,679
that we've got to have our contracts in

773
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,000
place we've probably got to have all of

774
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
our properties required at least by next

775
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,600
summer so that we'd have time to get our

776
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,320
contracts in place with contractors to

777
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,880
do the

778
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,880
work and if that's the case and you

779
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,919
don't find them then the pumpkin turns

780
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:16,159
and we're done yeah then I think it's

781
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:17,519
back to just

782
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,840
construction only on and not the rehab

783
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,799
piece of

784
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,880
it well I think it's worth a shot of I

785
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,240
think the ones on the market are

786
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,480
available should be available also just

787
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,279
because I know the ones you're going

788
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,840
after are going to be those that they

789
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,559
probably could be purchased um could be

790
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,399
purchased probably like somebody like me

791
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,200
who wanted to renovate them and resell

792
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,039
them but if if it's something that fits

793
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:43,880
their program they may as well have the

794
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,159
option to do it too because right now we

795
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,960
don't have enough people in town that

796
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
want to do that I mean we've taken our

797
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,639
last few years buying and renovating

798
00:33:53,639 --> 00:33:56,679
personally homes and I can't get enough

799
00:33:56,679 --> 00:33:59,760
done so like let somebody else jump in

800
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,240
and do it and our big contractors are

801
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,039
building homes so let them help us get

802
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,399
some of those rejuvenated so that

803
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:09,919
they're on our tax base for more than

804
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:12,520
$70,000 get them up

805
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,879
to150 220 whatever based on what you can

806
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:19,909
do to rejuvenate

807
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,079
it and we talked about this a couple

808
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,119
weeks ago but is it still understood

809
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:25,839
that these homes would still be

810
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:28,560
available for the tax batement the 5year

811
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,919
tax abatement I think we talked about

812
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:31,879
that I we talked about it but I didn't

813
00:34:31,879 --> 00:34:34,440
it it I didn't see it in the agreement

814
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,000
or just leave it as unless is that just

815
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,720
a given it's understood yeah unless it's

816
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,200
under a an urban renewal area it would

817
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,639
be available for the tax and and I'm I'm

818
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,000
just going to bring this up just because

819
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,839
it probably is just overly obvious but

820
00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:51,560
um it's got to be within the city

821
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,520
limits I mean it's it's not written here

822
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,640
but it's clearly understood that that

823
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,040
it's construction must meet city city

824
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440
building code but not it doesn't say

825
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:10,829
City says City

826
00:35:10,839 --> 00:35:13,280
yeah okay I'm sorry I did I missed it

827
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:17,720
that's my bad thank you sorry yeah okay

828
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:21,960
so we're at a point to make a motion to

829
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,800
move forward with this or not

830
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,720
yes it's it's not like it's 50 homes

831
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,680
it's 10 homes I think it's worth a

832
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,280
try that a motion that's a motion second

833
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,880
seconded by By Carolyn any further

834
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,280
discussion Haring none roll call please

835
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,920
yes

836
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:55,800
no yes yes yes thank you thank you Rick thank

837
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,790
you

838
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,079
okay so that's the region 12 so now we

839
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,440
are at 6B which is fiscal year 24 budget

840
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,240
amendment number one and I have

841
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,359
551 Laura and we'll go ahead and open

842
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:15,839
the public hearing for this one and turn

843
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,240
it over to you yes thank you Mark so

844
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,640
time this is a time for the public

845
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,520
hearing on our first budget amendment

846
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,839
for our fisal year

847
00:36:22,839 --> 00:36:25,800
24 uh there's a list included with the

848
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,720
memo the items would be included in that

849
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,839
as a quick refresher it was items that

850
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,119
were either budgeted or part of our

851
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,400
reestimates when we ended our fisal 23

852
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,680
year and that were not completed as of

853
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,400
June 30th of 2023 except for two

854
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,200
transfers that were noted in the memo um

855
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,400
at the time um actually even up to today

856
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,200
no comments were received in the office

857
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,160
that was my question thank you it was

858
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,280
published in the Carol Times Herald as

859
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,640
required by state code and it was

860
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,680
published on Friday October

861
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,119
27th

862
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,599
you do a really nice job itemizing these

863
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,240
things out and particularly which ones

864
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,920
that didn't get into the

865
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,040
23 budget

866
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,319
so pretty well

867
00:37:09,319 --> 00:37:12,359
straightforward does anybody have any

868
00:37:12,359 --> 00:37:15,000
questions uh any members of the public

869
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,520
with

870
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,920
questions now this could be the fastest

871
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,160
public hearing we've had this year so I

872
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,520
see it at

873
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,599
5:52 we'll go ahead and close public

874
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,599
hearing and then per your recommendation

875
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:32,160
I need a motion to approve the

876
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,119
resolution for the uh uh budget

877
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,400
amendment number

878
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,040
one there a motion Tom Tom second

879
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,280
seconded by KY any further discussion

880
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:55,079
hearing none roll call please Power yes yes yes yes yes resoltion approved

881
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:57,920
thank you very much uh let's see we are

882
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,680
item 6 C and the ninth amended and

883
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,160
restated Central business district urban

884
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,400
renewal plan a new Ziggler urban renewal

885
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,760
plan and related development agreements

886
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,160
and I'll turn it back over to you again

887
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,720
Aon yeah this is a resolution uh

888
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,079
accepting an engagement letter with

889
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:15,839
allers and Cooney to rewrite and add

890
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:17,240
projects to the ninth amended and

891
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,240
restated Central business district also

892
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,160
to create the Ziggler urban renewal plan

893
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,520
and the related development agreement

894
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,319
with Ziggler to put in well which will

895
00:38:28,319 --> 00:38:31,720
actually go into item D the uh sanitary

896
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,640
sewer and water main extension but uh

897
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,280
this is to write the agreements and make

898
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,680
sure we're doing everything correct by

899
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:49,910
uh legal standards for the urban renewal

900
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,839
areas pretty straightforward stuff any

901
00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:55,160
questions for Aaron on

902
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,480
this if not I would seek a motion to

903
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,760
approve the resolution to enter into the

904
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,400
scope of Engagement agreement with

905
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,680
allers and

906
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,200
Cooney is that lever second seconded by

907
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,680
Misty is that Misty yeah any further

908
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,319
discussion hearing none roll call

909
00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:17,119
please yes yes yeso yes yes yes

910
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,960
resolution approved thank you uh item uh

911
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,839
6D is us30 West sanitary sewer and water

912
00:39:24,839 --> 00:39:27,599
main extension 2024 related to the

913
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,400
previous topic and turn it over to Randy

914
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680
thank you mayor um we have proposed a

915
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,240
us3 West sanitary sewer and water main

916
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,440
extension to serve that Ziggler property

917
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,839
on the west Edge of Town um it the

918
00:39:42,839 --> 00:39:46,560
project includes extension of about 1100

919
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,720
ft of sewer and

920
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,960
water um from Kittyhawk Avenue to

921
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,440
Highway 30 and then West on Highway 30

922
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,560
to the east property line of the the

923
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,839
Ziggler property uh we prepared a

924
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:02,240
Professional Services agreement uh with

925
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,000
Snider and Associates to perform the

926
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,440
design work necessary to get the project

927
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,640
to uh a bidding

928
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,359
phase uh Snider and Associates has a

929
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:16,760
long relationship with uh Ziggler and

930
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,200
they will be they have done the Ziggler

931
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,119
site plan work for the property and

932
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,680
they'll be doing some additional um

933
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,440
utility work for Ziggler so we are

934
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,760
recommending that Snider be retained to

935
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,880
help coordinate this project the city

936
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,440
project and the Ziggler

937
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,599
project uh anyway the the Professional

938
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,319
Services agreement includes Design

939
00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:49,480
Services uh bid services and con some

940
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,280
construction service a total estimated

941
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,750
amount of 99,354

942
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,760
the project schedule is pretty

943
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,280
aggressive but it is set up to uh

944
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,960
parallel the needs of of the Ziggler

945
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,280
property so that these services are

946
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,440
available when Ziggler needs needs them

947
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,040
and Ziggler's development schedule is

948
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,000
also pretty

949
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,160
aggressive um unless there are any

950
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,160
questions I'd recommend your

951
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,240
consideration of approving the agreement

952
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,680
with Snider and Associates uh for the

953
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,520
water main and sanitary sewer

954
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,040
extension very good Randy um and you had

955
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,760
outlined in your narrative that we're

956
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,000
using Snider because that's who Ziggler

957
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,760
uses but it would the council have any

958
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,720
concerns about uh whether or not that

959
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,760
would limit or inhibit any prospective

960
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,319
biders that it would be open to all

961
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:55,160
comers you know once that you know once

962
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,920
that the the design is is open and then

963
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,960
we we let the bids oh yeah it would

964
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,440
inhibit that in any way that would not

965
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,640
inhibit it that's this is just a design

966
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,359
work and

967
00:42:06,359 --> 00:42:10,400
the there is like work on the Ziggler

968
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,119
property so if

969
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,760
Ziggler negotiates their contract or if

970
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,040
they bid their contract I don't they'll

971
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,720
get it under contract however they

972
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,319
desire okay that may

973
00:42:23,319 --> 00:42:26,480
influence biders uh the that that

974
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,319
successful bidder uh may want to be the

975
00:42:29,319 --> 00:42:32,079
successful bidder for the city uh

976
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,960
portion of the project um so it could

977
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,079
work to to the advantage in bidding uh

978
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:42,319
that way good um it's not guaranteed but

979
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:46,040
it's possibility it makes a a quite a

980
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,760
bit larger project almost double the

981
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:55,880
size size in length uh when you add the Ziggler work into it okay and this

982
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,000
is all recoverable through the Tiff

983
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,119
agreement that we'll talk about in just

984
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,800
a moment one thing about Ziggler is they

985
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:08,230
try to emphasize having local

986
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,800
first any other questions for

987
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Randy okay so the recommendation is uh

988
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,559
approval of the resolution to adopt the

989
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:19,760
agreement or approve the agreement with

990
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,400
SN and Associates uh for the us30 West

991
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,680
sanitary sewer and water main extension

992
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,480
project is there a motion to

993
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,200
that Tom is that Misty yes uh any

994
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,960
further discussion heing none roll call

995
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:46,640
please Power yes yes yes yes yes perfect thank you Randy okay moving

996
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,839
right along we have item six e which is

997
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:53,480
the Biometrics Holdings LLC and dmba

998
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,359
properties and Consulting the annual ual

999
00:43:56,359 --> 00:43:59,319
tax increment Finance appropriate for

1000
00:43:59,319 --> 00:44:03,280
2025 Laura yes thank you Mark so we've

1001
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,079
been working with b and electrics and

1002
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,440
DMV properties for a number of years um

1003
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,960
for some improvements that were done at

1004
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,480
the property located across the street

1005
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,280
from

1006
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200
the and part of the agreement with them

1007
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,280
was for the city to provide a grant in

1008
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,720
the amount of $300,000 to rehab and put

1009
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,599
up a new building part of that also

1010
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:26,839
includes the annual a we've been doing

1011
00:44:26,839 --> 00:44:30,280
this for a number of years where um so

1012
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,359
that way the whole 300,000 doesn't count

1013
00:44:32,359 --> 00:44:34,400
against the city's death that only the

1014
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,920
portion of the agreement that would be

1015
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,480
paid in the next fiscal year actually

1016
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,839
gets counted towards our debt

1017
00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:43,000
obligation the developer has completed

1018
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,240
the construction of the building and

1019
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,440
certified also then with that is the

1020
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,160
certification of the number of jobs that

1021
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,599
were created that was part of the

1022
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,119
agreement and the uh developer did

1023
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:53,599
certified that there were 10 new jobs

1024
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,920
that were created um some additional

1025
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,000
work was done to investigate the number

1026
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,920
of jobs and that was outlined in here

1027
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
what the work was done to verify the

1028
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,280
jobs that were created so what's it

1029
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,920
before you tonight is a resolution what

1030
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,760
we call our annual Appropriations

1031
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,839
resolution to ask for the Tiff dollars

1032
00:45:12,839 --> 00:45:15,880
to pay um the developer for the taxes or

1033
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,480
the portion of the taxes that relate to

1034
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,240
the incremental value that was created

1035
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:21,520
with that new building building those

1036
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,160
taxes would be repaid to him next fiscal

1037
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,559
year excuse me the the develop year so

1038
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,680
this is um we've been doing this for a

1039
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,680
number of years fiscal 25 will be the

1040
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
second year of the annual Appropriations

1041
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,599
and after the fiscal 24 appropriation

1042
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:39,079
payments will be made there will be

1043
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:44,430
roughly 193,000 left on to be paid

1044
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,640
back are there any questions about what

1045
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:54,109
the annual Appropriations resolution

1046
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:58,400
is um I have a quick question um you

1047
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
talked with their representative Mr

1048
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,280
Jacobs and um you were shown the that

1049
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,880
biometric has 8 W2 employees 6

1050
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,040
1099 two of which meet the criteria you

1051
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,119
were shown the information but my

1052
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,880
question is was Nathan overberg who

1053
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,640
wrote this um agreement with bioin metc

1054
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,960
and he's aware of the content was he

1055
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,960
good with the documents that were

1056
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:39,720
provided and is good with how the number

1057
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:41,839
of employees were

1058
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:45,079
certified that the information you were

1059
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,920
privy to um meets the criteria and he

1060
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,400
does indeed have the 10 so we're we're

1061
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,960
good as far as overberg is concerned

1062
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,200
yeah actually Nathan didn't write this

1063
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,000
agreement it was his predecessor that

1064
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,079
actually wrote the agreement and uh but

1065
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,960
yes he he was we were Consulting with

1066
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,960
him as far as what we could do to kind

1067
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,960
of certify the jobs without just saying

1068
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,640
having them fill out of form saying yeah

1069
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,839
we have 10 jobs and he was he was

1070
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:21,480
comfortable with the way we had

1071
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,920
certified the jobs in this in this

1072
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,480
aspect yes even the

1073
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,640
1090s y he was good with it so even

1074
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,359
though he didn't write it I apologize he

1075
00:47:32,359 --> 00:47:35,280
is fully aware of the content yes and

1076
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,480
the spirit of the content correct

1077
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,880
okay so we're on firm legal standing

1078
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:52,710
then correct okay thank

1079
00:47:52,720 --> 00:48:00,069
you any other questions for Laura or for

1080
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,119
Aaron so the recommendation is to for

1081
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,440
the approval of obligating funds from

1082
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,720
the central business district Tiff to uh

1083
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:14,150
micro Biometrics and dmba properties

1084
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,119
Consulting there a motion to

1085
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,640
that so

1086
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,359
moved is it Kyle and then

1087
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:27,359
JJ is there any further discussion

1088
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:30,440
hearing none roll call please D yes

1089
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Shrek yes yes yes yes Carolyn thanks for asking that

1090
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,160
question I do have a comment okay before

1091
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,040
we move on to the next one moving

1092
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,119
forward and following the lessons

1093
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:48,240
learned during this process and herein I

1094
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,599
highly recommend that the uh any new

1095
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,160
business agreement that is considered uh

1096
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,599
by the council moving forward

1097
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,960
particularly those that with their

1098
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,200
spirit and intent rooted in job creation

1099
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,280
in Carol that the language contain

1100
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,960
airtight and

1101
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,079
explicit definitions that are well

1102
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,599
understood and mutually agreed upon by

1103
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:15,400
all parties that are both binding and

1104
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,680
irrefutable agreements should always be

1105
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,760
crystal clear and beneficial to all

1106
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,520
parties and that's my

1107
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,119
comment so we will move on to the next

1108
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:29,319
one which is the same type of agreement

1109
00:49:29,319 --> 00:49:33,349
with Western isowa networks

1110
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:36,680
BTC go ahead Laura thank you um yes so

1111
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,640
same very similar situation that the

1112
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,240
developer um improved some area on the

1113
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,520
west side of town over by Walmart and

1114
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,079
doing so there were some storm water

1115
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,079
improvements that they did at that time

1116
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,680
and so the city is rebating back the

1117
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,280
taxes to repay them for those Stone

1118
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,400
water improvements this is scheduled to

1119
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,559
be paid out over six consecutive

1120
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,799
semiannual pment of three fiscal years

1121
00:49:59,799 --> 00:50:03,240
of which fiscal 24 is our first year

1122
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,799
this is to appropriate the Tiff

1123
00:50:05,799 --> 00:50:08,480
collections for fisal 25 so we can

1124
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,190
continue those payments for the

1125
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,720
agreement very good we just paid one

1126
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:17,440
tonight

1127
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,640
y aren't our

1128
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,119
bills so once again council's requested

1129
00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:26,240
their consideration approval of

1130
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,240
resolution obligating funds from Western

1131
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:32,799
Urban Westfield urban renewal tax

1132
00:50:32,799 --> 00:50:34,559
revenue fund for appropriation of the

1133
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,280
tax payment to BTC

1134
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,359
Inc is that

1135
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:43,799
LE seconded by uh JJ any further

1136
00:50:43,799 --> 00:50:46,880
discussion hearing none roll call please

1137
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,480
B yes foro yes dir yes shre yes yes yes

1138
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,400
motion is approved thank you and 6G

1139
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,920
Laura I think you're still up with the

1140
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:04,829
seat Bel

1141
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:06,799
policy yes thank you you don't know it

1142
00:51:06,799 --> 00:51:11,079
by heart yet huh IA buckle up and that

1143
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:12,799
summarized by just saying Buckle the

1144
00:51:12,799 --> 00:51:15,000
policy buckle up well a couple months

1145
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,799
ago um a representative from imwc the

1146
00:51:17,799 --> 00:51:20,160
city's work count carrier was here to

1147
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,880
review our po uh a number of our

1148
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,720
practices and one of the things that

1149
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,880
came about that was um

1150
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,599
not that we didn't necessarily have a

1151
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,040
seat belt policy but it was just a

1152
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,280
really short oneline thing and this is a

1153
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,839
the policy before you tonight is a

1154
00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:35,280
little bit more expansive and goes into

1155
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,119
a little bit deep more detail about use

1156
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,599
of a seat belt not only in vehicles and

1157
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:42,520
if you're personal vehicle while on City

1158
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,559
business but while you're using other

1159
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,119
City equipment if it is equipped with a

1160
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,160
seat belt you will be required to wear

1161
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,799
that seat Bel as well this is a model

1162
00:51:51,799 --> 00:51:53,960
policy that we got from IM WCA so we're

1163
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,559
pretty sure they're going to sign off

1164
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:58,000
once Council approves it

1165
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,680
so this will be added to it and then our

1166
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,160
policies and procedure manual and then

1167
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,160
we will distribute to all employees and

1168
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,319
talk about

1169
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:09,160
it very good any questions about seat

1170
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,000
belt

1171
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,480
policy if not Council consideration

1172
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,160
approval of a resolution adopting the

1173
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:21,710
new seat belt policy policy number

1174
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:25,799
0903 JJ Tom any further discussion heing

1175
00:52:25,799 --> 00:52:27,359
on roll call

1176
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:33,960
please yes yes yes yes yes Shrek yes

1177
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,240
conations very good thanks Laura okay

1178
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:40,640
under reports seven first one a

1179
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,160
wastewater treatment plant digestor

1180
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,960
evaluation and Randy thank you mayor Vin

1181
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,559
Kim has completed the digest

1182
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,720
evaluation at the wastewater treatment

1183
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,280
plant if you'll recall that that

1184
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,720
evaluation was

1185
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,040
initiated um actually in April of

1186
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,359
22 um to uh evaluate the condition of

1187
00:53:04,359 --> 00:53:07,760
the current anerobic digestor uh propose

1188
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,520
whatever upgrades updating it needs um

1189
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,799
the equipment is actually about 20 years

1190
00:53:13,799 --> 00:53:17,119
old uh now in that

1191
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,920
digestor and then look into an

1192
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,359
alternative of converting or switching

1193
00:53:22,359 --> 00:53:24,040
to aerobic

1194
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,000
digestion uh

1195
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:26,799
the

1196
00:53:26,799 --> 00:53:30,880
report contains the detail on what vnk

1197
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,640
did if you have any questions on that uh

1198
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,760
I can sure attempt to answer them in

1199
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:42,640
summary though uh the U analysis was put

1200
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,760
uh boiled down to a 20-year present

1201
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,480
value worth value of both the upgrades

1202
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,000
to the anerobic digestor and the switch

1203
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,880
to an aerobic

1204
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,760
digestion uh those are including your

1205
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,520
memorandum the aerobic treat anerobic

1206
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,440
treatment alternative was about 5.5

1207
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,920
million uh 20year present worth and the

1208
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,280
aerobic um treatment alternative was

1209
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,680
about 3.5 million so um the airic

1210
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,599
treatment was recommended uh to for the

1211
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,480
wastewater treatment plant and at this

1212
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,240
point unless there are questions um I'd

1213
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,880
recommend your acceptance of the uh

1214
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,720
digestive evaluation report and upon

1215
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:32,799
that we'll we'll initiate the next steps

1216
00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:35,960
toward moving toward uh converting to

1217
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,240
aerobic

1218
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,920
digestion and that will entail

1219
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,000
construction project obviously and if

1220
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,119
you'll also recall the intent was also

1221
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:52,559
to add the uh VR air piping project to

1222
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,640
that contract uh it was n't a very

1223
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,079
attractive contract when we did let it

1224
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,880
uh bids were rejected and this would add

1225
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,119
it to a larger project and hopefully

1226
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:12,950
make it more attractive to a

1227
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,040
contractor very

1228
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,880
good if you're seeing glassy look on my

1229
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,160
face

1230
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:24,000
it I I actually right

1231
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,960
arm

1232
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,839
yeah we're supposed to know uh yeah all

1233
00:55:28,839 --> 00:55:31,880
about this right 115 page

1234
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,160
report and

1235
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,200
uh yeah Carolyn you read everything but

1236
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,280
no I skimmed it I have to admit but I

1237
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,760
went for the summary there wasn't a

1238
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,400
summary I

1239
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,640
know so what I'm daring is any council

1240
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,240
member to go Toe to Toe with

1241
00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:52,359
Randy thing it's not going to be this

1242
00:55:52,359 --> 00:55:56,160
mayor I can promise you that I barely

1243
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:02,000
passed selling cars 101 so um we are at

1244
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,480
your you know

1245
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,680
directions that too but uh the one thing

1246
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,280
I would like to point out is on that

1247
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,240
summary on the on ry's memo the onm cost

1248
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:15,960
or the operation and maintenance cost

1249
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,200
over time for the aerobic digestor is a

1250
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,200
third of the cost less than what the

1251
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,119
it's here anob so it really behooves us

1252
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,640
to move in the aerobic digestion

1253
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,400
Direction well and I'm not going to blav

1254
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200
this discussion why would anybody go why

1255
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,200
would anybody go the Anor robic then I

1256
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,160
mean what what you know I mean there's

1257
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,200
no long-term benefit there's certainly

1258
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,559
no short-term monetary benefit but I

1259
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:46,359
mean okay um that be a space restriction

1260
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:49,119
or they got to do it in a smaller area

1261
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,119
uh no they'll be the same areas we'll

1262
00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,400
use the same tanks that we're using now

1263
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,760
they'll just be converted aobing It also

1264
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,280
says anerobic is not as safe either no

1265
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,520
an anerobic digestion is historically

1266
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,839
used in bi well I guess biological

1267
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:10,839
treatment units and is it's really

1268
00:57:10,839 --> 00:57:15,160
customary to to use that um it's a good

1269
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,680
process it's a little more expensive

1270
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,240
than aerobic uh when you get to an

1271
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,240
activated sludge type process that we

1272
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,640
have converted to

1273
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,599
uh aerobic is more common and we knew

1274
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,839
that 25 or 20 years ago when we

1275
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:35,119
converted the plant to activate sludge

1276
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:38,359
and uh but the decision at the time was

1277
00:57:38,359 --> 00:57:41,760
to stick with the anerobic

1278
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,559
well as time progressed we did upgrade

1279
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:48,319
all of the Anor robic digestion at that

1280
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:51,319
time um But as time progressed that

1281
00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:53,280
equipment wore out and that was the

1282
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,520
reason for the evaluation of the current

1283
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,960
equipment and the high cost of replacing

1284
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:04,640
it um so it is now an opportune time

1285
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,839
really to switch over to aerobic uh for

1286
00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:14,309
the 20-year

1287
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:17,760
cost so the next step would be that you

1288
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,720
enter into what design services and a

1289
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,599
document to prepare for the conversion

1290
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:25,880
itself yep yep at least that part I get

1291
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:34,000
but yeah ad hello yeah Tom it takes less Pepto Bismol this this way so

1292
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,280
digestor any other questions I certainly

1293
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,680
don't I need a motion to uh to approve

1294
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:48,079
the the the study is that correct yeah acceptance of the uh evaluation

1295
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:51,559
report second time and then mising any

1296
00:58:51,559 --> 00:58:53,520
further discussion hearing none roll

1297
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,880
call please

1298
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:02,240
yes B yes face yeso yes yes stri

1299
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,960
yes thank

1300
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,119
you okay so we're moving right along to

1301
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:11,640
item 7 B which is the West Golf View

1302
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,200
subdivision Paving section seel

1303
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,640
selection and Randy you're still up sir

1304
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,200
thank you mayor um as you recall the

1305
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,200
West Golf View subdivision public

1306
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,559
platting and public Improvement work has

1307
00:59:25,559 --> 00:59:29,640
been uh the design has been initiated at

1308
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,119
this time where you're at a kind of a

1309
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:37,160
critical point in selecting the paving

1310
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,160
section that you desire on West

1311
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,799
Street there you have two Alternatives

1312
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:44,680
basically a rural section which it

1313
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,079
currently is which is a pavement a

1314
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,559
shoulder and a ditch open ditch and

1315
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,480
regardless of what type of if that were

1316
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,000
selected regardless of what type of of

1317
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,559
adjacent development there is that ditch

1318
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,480
would have to remain in place the

1319
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,520
alternative is an urban section which we

1320
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,960
would uh add curban gutter to the

1321
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,000
pavement uh at least on the east side of

1322
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,359
the road we the left West Side would

1323
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:15,799
remain unchanged but adding curban

1324
01:00:15,799 --> 01:00:18,599
Gutter and some storm sewer uh then the

1325
01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:21,400
ditch could be filled and uh it would be

1326
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,240
more of an urban type section that we

1327
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,559
have in most of our streets in town uh

1328
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:29,799
it's it's critical uh the selection is

1329
01:00:29,799 --> 01:00:32,319
critical certainly for the Aesthetics

1330
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:34,880
you know whether you like curbs or no

1331
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,240
curbs um and then this is impact will

1332
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,640
impact the the sanitary sewer location

1333
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,960
in this particular development and then

1334
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,760
the needs for plating the uh rural

1335
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,000
section will require more ride of way to

1336
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,319
be platted than an urban section does

1337
01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:59,880
so those are it's kind of important to make that selection so we can

1338
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,240
continue to move forward with those

1339
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,319
plats and

1340
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:08,520
plans um we have prepared some

1341
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,240
conceptual opinions of probable cost uh

1342
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,799
for the rural and urban uh they are

1343
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,799
included in your memorandum in in short

1344
01:01:17,799 --> 01:01:21,480
uh rural is anticipated to cost

1345
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,079
including uh the the grading and the

1346
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:27,960
sanitary sewer work storm sewer work and

1347
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,720
erosion control um

1348
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,400
$834,900

1349
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:40,789
the urban section is anticipated to cost

1350
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:45,280
1,747 so at this point I would be happy

1351
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,640
to answer any questions uh if not I

1352
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,119
would recommend that you consider a

1353
01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:55,799
selection of urban or rural for the the

1354
01:01:55,799 --> 01:02:01,119
West Street golf West Golf View

1355
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:05,990
subdivision perfect questions for

1356
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,880
Ry I'll start with a couple um so

1357
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,480
essentially what we've got and I know we

1358
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,039
talked about this earlier on this summer

1359
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,000
um the rural is essentially what we've

1360
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,279
got along Grant Road which I think we

1361
01:02:18,279 --> 01:02:20,559
kind of seem to agree with most that

1362
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,960
night that might not want to be

1363
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,559
replicated um so so the is the only

1364
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:28,599
decision we're making tonight then is

1365
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,279
just whether or not we want a curb and

1366
01:02:30,279 --> 01:02:32,520
gutter it or not curb and gutter it and

1367
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,839
that's the only decision we're making

1368
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:38,000
tonight yes okay so it it does involve

1369
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,039
grading and erosion control which you've

1370
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,279
got listed in here but remember you and

1371
01:02:42,279 --> 01:02:44,440
I talked one day about some of those

1372
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,839
lots particularly those interior lots

1373
01:02:46,839 --> 01:02:49,359
are a little below the the the street

1374
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:53,760
grade does does does that 171 or 345

1375
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,599
include that that's over and above isn't

1376
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:59,559
it yeah if you wanted to bring the lot

1377
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:02,480
to street level on a on a couple of

1378
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,319
those lots uh that would be in addition

1379
01:03:05,319 --> 01:03:10,000
to this uh these would include uh the

1380
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,319
grading and erosion control uh includes

1381
01:03:13,319 --> 01:03:19,160
the filling of the ditches right and if you go to an urban section uh but

1382
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,240
then there may be more cost in changing

1383
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,359
the lot elevation yeah I walked it today

1384
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:27,880
and it it's it's very very similar to

1385
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,680
Grant Road in its current form the ditch

1386
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,440
just has enough they're they're both

1387
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,760
rural sections that's the way they were

1388
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:40,079
built now the the major difference uh

1389
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,880
between the two is

1390
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,319
um Grant Road has a 53 foot R half width

1391
01:03:47,319 --> 01:03:50,480
ride of way so that road rideway extends

1392
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,119
to the back of the back slope so where

1393
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:55,640
the the ditch comes up that's where the

1394
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,880
lot starts and then goes in um but the

1395
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,039
housing houses on Grant Road have a 75

1396
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:05,480
ft setback I wondered yeah it's it's a

1397
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,520
unusually deep setback so in you know

1398
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,640
aesthetically it puts the ditch a little

1399
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,279
bit farther away from the front door

1400
01:04:13,279 --> 01:04:17,480
than than a 35 foot setback and I guess

1401
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,839
you could establish whatever setback you

1402
01:04:20,839 --> 01:04:23,720
want in the subdivision but the zoning

1403
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,839
will probably carry a 35t setback and

1404
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:30,520
then of course these lots are really

1405
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:34,039
only 10 20 ft deep or whatever we

1406
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:36,480
planted them so the the more setback you

1407
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,760
get the less rear yard you get and the

1408
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:43,119
closer you put them to the Fairway so um

1409
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,200
those are th that's kind of the

1410
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,559
difference between the what this would

1411
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:52,039
ultimately be and what Grant Road is

1412
01:04:52,039 --> 01:04:54,760
now it looked as though and like whereas

1413
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,920
Grant Road has three East West stre

1414
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,440
streets and thus CS it looks like this

1415
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,839
one would only just have the one there

1416
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:06,520
at the golf course maintenance shed is

1417
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,920
there is there a second one at the

1418
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,920
clubhouse perhaps oh um in terms of

1419
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,680
coverts driveway coverts right each

1420
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,920
driveway would have to have a covert yes

1421
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,960
there might be one lot on the top of the

1422
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,200
hill that doesn't need it but otherwise

1423
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,319
it drains both North and South but n

1424
01:05:23,319 --> 01:05:25,160
there's no other Street covers that's

1425
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,000
right okay no this driveway coverts on

1426
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,920
each each entry okay and then as I was

1427
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,760
walking I was walking on our Trail this

1428
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,720
neither neither decision would impact

1429
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,920
the trail whatsoever

1430
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,799
correct um would it yeah well the trail

1431
01:05:41,799 --> 01:05:45,319
will be put back in but if it's an urban

1432
01:05:45,319 --> 01:05:47,839
section there would be uh the street

1433
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:49,960
would be widened with a curbing Gutter

1434
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,559
and then the trail would have to be

1435
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:54,520
located relocated behind the the the

1436
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,200
curb and then

1437
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,839
sidewalks well it's either Trail or side

1438
01:05:58,839 --> 01:06:01,319
I mean the trail would be a sidewalk uh

1439
01:06:01,319 --> 01:06:05,200
as it is now uh with the rural section

1440
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,880
the the trail would stay where it is

1441
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,599
just I'm I took a picture yesterday walk

1442
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:17,039
the whole um area from the golf course

1443
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:18,559
North to one

1444
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:22,240
8th and all of the all the residential

1445
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,599
homes on Northwest Street

1446
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:28,319
have cban gutter I to me it is illogical

1447
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:31,200
not to continue that and to expect and

1448
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,680
we're being very

1449
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,079
conservative at the assessed value of

1450
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:38,359
each house potentially being

1451
01:06:38,359 --> 01:06:42,599
700,000 um if if we are anticipating

1452
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:46,520
that uh price point I I think it will be

1453
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,480
very hard to sell Lots whoever ends up

1454
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,520
selling them uh and then expecting

1455
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,000
someone to to build a house at this

1456
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,319
price point when you have no curban

1457
01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:00,720
Gutter and we even have curban gutter

1458
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,160
going past the golf course

1459
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:09,000
um um buildings are up to the the the

1460
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,720
buildings the City Maintenance building

1461
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,920
and so we have kbin gutter going right

1462
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,559
by the golf course parking lot by the

1463
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,359
clubhouse Etc and then as you look

1464
01:07:20,359 --> 01:07:23,039
farther north you you get the

1465
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,440
perspective this is the very last the

1466
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,359
end of the uh curban gutter right before

1467
01:07:28,359 --> 01:07:30,640
the city buildings the maintenance

1468
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,160
buildings so you know it's I guess we

1469
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,799
have to look at it yes it costs more but

1470
01:07:37,799 --> 01:07:40,799
thinking long term and thinking about

1471
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:43,480
what we would like develop there to me

1472
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,839
it makes sense to continue the curban

1473
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:49,559
gutter and um that I think long term it

1474
01:07:49,559 --> 01:07:53,680
will pay off for us as far as um right

1475
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,000
now we're getting nothing for that land

1476
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:05,279
so the um property taxes you look at the chart we have here um we're getting

1477
01:08:05,279 --> 01:08:10,470
more than what we're getting

1478
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,760
now but the decision right now is just

1479
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,799
for curb and gutter right so right

1480
01:08:15,799 --> 01:08:18,040
correct yeah I would agree with your I

1481
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,759
me thinking ahead deal with this is

1482
01:08:20,759 --> 01:08:23,400
going to impact the price point of the

1483
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,679
homes and what we can what the Lots can

1484
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:28,120
be sold

1485
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,560
for I actually had somebody on Grant

1486
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,040
Road not even knowing that we were doing

1487
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,440
this wanted to fill in their ditch just

1488
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:38,199
because of the hassle with it the

1489
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:41,040
insects in the summertime and and that's

1490
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,600
even with a 75 foot

1491
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,839
setb U you know at first when I looked

1492
01:08:46,839 --> 01:08:48,520
at this I thought well that's 340,000

1493
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,239
that's quite a bit difference but once

1494
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:52,759
that person called me and then I talked

1495
01:08:52,759 --> 01:08:54,640
to another person I know they're not

1496
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,719
happy with what they have on cramp Road

1497
01:08:56,719 --> 01:09:02,550
nobody is

1498
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,349
yeah any other questions for

1499
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,040
rannie what's the council's

1500
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,719
wishes urban urban is there a motion to

1501
01:09:13,719 --> 01:09:17,400
that effect so moved uh was it Carolyn

1502
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,640
and then Tom any further discussion

1503
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,400
hearing none roll call

1504
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:31,799
please yes face yes power yes SE yes yes thank

1505
01:09:31,799 --> 01:09:35,520
you okay we are moving right along to

1506
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,080
item 7 C and that is us30 traffic signal

1507
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,600
removal study on Adam Street and Court

1508
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,920
Street Randy thank you mayor um I don't

1509
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,199
know if you'll recall but in 2016 there

1510
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:50,679
was a study conducted for removal of two

1511
01:09:50,679 --> 01:09:53,359
traffic signals along Highway 30 those

1512
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:57,239
were at Adam Street and Court Street uh

1513
01:09:57,239 --> 01:09:58,080
the

1514
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,520
procedure that used was a developed out

1515
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,880
of the mutcd and the institute for

1516
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:09,719
Traffic Engineers um and that procedure

1517
01:10:09,719 --> 01:10:14,159
um basically was twofold it uh included

1518
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:18,120
public notification in advance and then

1519
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,199
covering the signals for a period of 90

1520
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:25,880
days and during that that time the city

1521
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,159
received responses from the public and

1522
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:34,280
um at that time the decision was made

1523
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,600
not to remove the signals now it's been

1524
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,640
suggested that that that U process be

1525
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,080
reinitiated uh currently uh to uh begin

1526
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,760
to that to remove the signals and I've

1527
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,280
outlined the process in the memorandum

1528
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,480
and in includes Advanced notification to

1529
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:59,520
the public and then a period of

1530
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,960
non-operation in which we will observe

1531
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,640
and record uh some data we'll take any

1532
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,120
comments and bring those back at the end

1533
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:13,640
of 90 days so at at this point unless

1534
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,800
there's there are any questions I'd re

1535
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,080
just recommend you um consider the

1536
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,760
initiation of that type of study for the

1537
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,110
removal of those two

1538
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,400
signals quick question just to get

1539
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,640
clarification got it says stop signs in

1540
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,199
here stop signs will be placed on Adam

1541
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:36,480
Street to cross 30 in same withouth core

1542
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:40,480
correct okay yes

1543
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:46,270
yep temporary stop signs yep right yeah

1544
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,719
M at one time you mentioned that we're

1545
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:50,760
going to upgrade

1546
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,320
these yes does that replacing them all

1547
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,159
or what is that upgrade cost or what is

1548
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:58,159
it the upgrade that's envisioned at the

1549
01:11:58,159 --> 01:11:59,960
current time in the capital Improvement

1550
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:04,199
program is for the uh computer equipment

1551
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:07,400
the electronic equipment in in the

1552
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,120
signals not the poles are not included

1553
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:12,320
but it's the

1554
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,880
controllers uh and everything in within

1555
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,960
the controller uh is the proposal at

1556
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,080
this point because you can't get parts

1557
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,840
for these much anymore can you we cannot

1558
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,709
get parts for those controllers

1559
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:32,520
now you don't have an estimated cost on

1560
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,800
one of those controllers it it'll run

1561
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:40,120
between 100 and 150,000 per

1562
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,120
intersection so if we eliminate Adams in

1563
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,239
court quarter of a million two to

1564
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,960
300,000 yes

1565
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,120
M I think the question Tom and I had

1566
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,880
prior of the meeting that we had had for

1567
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,239
you is does it require a whole another

1568
01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:01,159
study again we can't use the data from

1569
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:04,080
2016 um and just move forward at the

1570
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,320
council's discretion right well the the

1571
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,520
process is set up to be pretty

1572
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,280
transparent you know to to warn people

1573
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,960
that you're we're going to be looking at

1574
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,320
this we are looking at it and now we've

1575
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,480
got data now the the data won't change

1576
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:25,120
that much the the hard data there will

1577
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,679
be reduction in delay time and we had

1578
01:13:28,679 --> 01:13:32,639
anticipated about in 2016 about 17 hours

1579
01:13:32,639 --> 01:13:35,080
of reduction in delay time during that

1580
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:39,600
90day period uh which is huge in traffic

1581
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:45,440
counts um but more more likely it it's

1582
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,639
for transparency to to tell people it's

1583
01:13:48,639 --> 01:13:51,360
going to happen and then make it happen

1584
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,080
and then decide if you really want to

1585
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,760
remove it I mean most the discussion

1586
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,320
within the building let's say in 2016

1587
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,040
favored the removal but the outcome

1588
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:11,560
after public input um was not removal so

1589
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:13,639
it just gives the public the opportunity

1590
01:14:13,639 --> 01:14:17,480
to weigh in on uh something like that

1591
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:19,760
thank you I and I'm and I'm all for that

1592
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,159
part of it I so maybe something Tom and

1593
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,239
I weren't exactly clear on is we just do

1594
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,400
our own study Randy we don't do an

1595
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,120
outside consultant no nobody okay so

1596
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,920
it's just our own internal study so

1597
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,360
another question we turn this to

1598
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,199
flashing hellow and we had Adams going

1599
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:40,960
okay so can't we do that with I was ask

1600
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,480
Adams and court and just leave them

1601
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:45,320
flashing for a while that's an one of

1602
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:46,159
the

1603
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:49,800
Alternatives is to part of our stud to

1604
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,520
perform this with those flashing but the

1605
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,080
downside of doing that is people are

1606
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,880
still reading that signal and what we

1607
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,880
want to do is make that intersection

1608
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,600
look like there's no signal there so we

1609
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,719
get the the public reaction both in in a

1610
01:15:07,719 --> 01:15:11,320
you know crashes is all is part of it

1611
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:12,920
and and then just in the public

1612
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,480
perception of no signal being there

1613
01:15:15,480 --> 01:15:18,199
rather than because at the end of 90

1614
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:20,280
days you wouldn't want to keep this

1615
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,040
thing flashing forever I mean it just

1616
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:23,840
that's

1617
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,679
you'd have to replace the controller and

1618
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:28,120
it wouldn't save any money and whatever

1619
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,280
so um that it more likely this

1620
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,239
process reflects more of what it would

1621
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:38,560
be with no signal there and if we kept

1622
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,120
them flashing you'd still need the new

1623
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,960
controllers eventually too right so

1624
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,239
there'd be no there'd be no

1625
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:47,159
Savings in charge when this was flashing

1626
01:15:47,159 --> 01:15:49,320
here we had quite a few accidents did

1627
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,719
you over this summer correct in more

1628
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:54,440
than normal in

1629
01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:58,560
2016 we had one accident in 90 days and

1630
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,679
it was a left turn I think at court and

1631
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:03,600
we've had quite a few this summer Brad

1632
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,639
more than normal really for what what

1633
01:16:06,639 --> 01:16:09,639
were they for uh people were see the

1634
01:16:09,639 --> 01:16:11,440
yellow light and slow to a stop and the

1635
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:13,600
cars behind them would not stop oh rear

1636
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,320
Enders huh

1637
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,600
nice so that's why you don't want flash

1638
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,320
he correct so with the lights gone I

1639
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,080
just want to clarify by how does one get

1640
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,600
across the road you have to you you

1641
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,000
definitely have to wait on your own to

1642
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,840
go there is no button to push right yeah

1643
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,440
put in unless you have new controllers

1644
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:37,239
well

1645
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:40,480
um I guess first of all to to try to

1646
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,920
answer that question yes you you have no

1647
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,080
protected

1648
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:50,280
Crossing um there the other signals do

1649
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:54,440
create gaps in the traffic uh uh so that

1650
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:57,600
you can enter and you can cross on these

1651
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,199
side streets and also one of the I guess

1652
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:06,000
casual observations during the 2016

1653
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,320
study um it was I was approached and and

1654
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,239
someone said where's all the traffic on

1655
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:15,120
Highway 30 you know really early in the

1656
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,639
study

1657
01:17:16,639 --> 01:17:19,920
and a a response was given by another

1658
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,880
person that people are avoiding it

1659
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,800
because those signals are bagged that

1660
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,280
wasn't actually the case we we counted

1661
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,159
the traffic it was similar to what it

1662
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:33,080
was without the signals being bagged but

1663
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,040
it was moving through the town and there

1664
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,960
were so it really created uh reasonable

1665
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,520
gaps for entry vehicle entry onto the

1666
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,600
highway from these two intersections and

1667
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,360
ped Crossings uh at these two

1668
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,360
intersections so it's you know that's

1669
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,880
kind of what

1670
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,760
happens is a goal for this to to get the

1671
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,920
traffic through

1672
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:06,080
faster now this last time you did that prove that traffic went through

1673
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,000
town faster M it did yes okay and what

1674
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:13,520
spawned this most recently I had I had a

1675
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,000
number of citizens hey we really like

1676
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,199
this um can we look at this again and so

1677
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:20,760
I've had a number of them so I talked to

1678
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,239
Randy and said hey what would be the

1679
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,239
process so

1680
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,360
you've heard him too the same you know I

1681
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,800
had I had one don't mean to single yet

1682
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,360
but I'll I'll visit with her maybe as

1683
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,440
early as tomorrow but with with Adam

1684
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:33,960
Street I had one complaint from the

1685
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,000
treasurer's office that they couldn't

1686
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,320
get to the bank they couldn't C it was

1687
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,520
hard for them to cross the street and

1688
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,320
I've got to clarify that with her

1689
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,960
because I don't know why you couldn't

1690
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,600
cross at Maine and then go down rather

1691
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,679
than just crossing at Adams but I'll

1692
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:52,199
clarify that with her because she's a

1693
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:55,040
constituent to too and and there are

1694
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,960
Partners as well and I don't want to

1695
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,880
have any treasur deputies hit making a

1696
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,960
deposit with my tax money so

1697
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:11,239
um I'll I'll I'll follow up with her but but again I don't know I mean to me

1698
01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:15,320
it makes perfect sense I use Adam Street

1699
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,159
when I'm shopping probably more so than

1700
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,239
I

1701
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:23,560
do you know Court Street but that's more

1702
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,480
ped traffic for the housing along there

1703
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:31,760
um you know I mean I I told Aon when we

1704
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,760
put it on the agenda that I'm I'm really

1705
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,639
mooded on it but just want to do what

1706
01:19:35,639 --> 01:19:37,320
the people want us to do and

1707
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,440
transparency is great and I mean and I

1708
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:41,520
appreciate your comments on that I I

1709
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,280
want to be fully but I was a little bit

1710
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,560
concerned about you know if we if if we

1711
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,880
invested x amount of money you know just

1712
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,800
seven years ago but we do it all

1713
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,199
internally so I'm good with that too so

1714
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:54,199
right that's fine we will have to make

1715
01:19:54,199 --> 01:19:56,280
sure we have sign signing and that may

1716
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,360
be some upfront expense but those are

1717
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,560
outlined in that timeline so about a

1718
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,800
90day process here is about what we're

1719
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,600
talking so um it's really about 120 day

1720
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,840
we start 30 days in advance so 30 90

1721
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,360
this is going to go under study and then

1722
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:19,480
uh also Public Announcement of that okay

1723
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:22,840
and then at at day Zero we be we begin

1724
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,960
and the okay the actual bagging turning

1725
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,760
off the signals and putting bags over

1726
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:28,960
them we'll be just in time for the

1727
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,440
Christmas holiday shopping season then

1728
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,000
so all right have it get started at that

1729
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:35,679
point like I say we have to make sure we

1730
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,120
secure signing yep um and have

1731
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,719
everything ready also on on day Zero we

1732
01:20:41,719 --> 01:20:44,360
uh we reset the timing on the rest of

1733
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,840
the signals that are in place so that

1734
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:51,400
that's optimized uh for traffic okay

1735
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:56,470
council's wishes

1736
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:00,840
anyone would need a motion for the

1737
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,560
commencement of the removal study would

1738
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:06,040
be in order want to move forward so Tom

1739
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,679
Misty any further discussion hearing

1740
01:21:08,679 --> 01:21:10,320
none roll call

1741
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:19,280
please yes yes yes yes yes yes thank

1742
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:23,199
you so we are at item 7D and police

1743
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:26,040
vehicle purchase Brad thank you mayor

1744
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,520
we'll do this the third time here

1745
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,960
hopefully um the notified late October

1746
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,440
by both new way and Champion Ford that

1747
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:36,360
um Ford was releasing their 24 models

1748
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,120
for bid um so we discussed that one at

1749
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:41,440
the council meeting I believe that night

1750
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:42,679
that we were the last council meeting we

1751
01:21:42,679 --> 01:21:45,199
had about this um I did receive bids

1752
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,120
from Champion Ford and from New Way Ford

1753
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,199
we were not able to get a state bid for

1754
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:52,480
comparison for the third bid due to the

1755
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,840
fact fact that they're not ready yet so

1756
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,440
champion in a new way moved faster than

1757
01:21:56,440 --> 01:21:58,040
the state did on this one to get his bid

1758
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:01,600
prices um one of the purchases is from

1759
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,239
last fiscal year and one is for this

1760
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:06,600
current fiscal year and the bids were

1761
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,600
put out and received by new way in

1762
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,440
Champion Ford within about 24 hours um

1763
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:15,760
newa Ford was the low bid by with a

1764
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,280
total bid of 91,4 $456 for the two

1765
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:21,639
vehicles um by only receiving two bids

1766
01:22:21,639 --> 01:22:24,320
though we will need to wave the purchase

1767
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,320
policy 501 if we're to move forward with

1768
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,040
this bid and then we will also be

1769
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:34,440
selling a vehicle on gov deals um if we get these get a vehicle in this

1770
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:36,639
time so the plan will be to have no

1771
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:38,440
trade in but then the ton seld on go

1772
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:40,800
deals which we had planned to do back in

1773
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,719
the

1774
01:22:41,719 --> 01:22:46,159
2023 fiscal year also so if there is any

1775
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:47,400
questions I'll feel free to answer them

1776
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,199
otherwise my recommendation would be to

1777
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:50,600
accept the bid well first we have to

1778
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,920
wave the purchase policy 501 accept the

1779
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,440
bid for the two vehicles from New Way

1780
01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:57,560
Ford and then also uh approve the sale

1781
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,280
of the 2008 Ford police interceptor

1782
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,560
through the gov deals auction

1783
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,480
site got a question on the sale one will

1784
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,120
be good enough for the airport one of

1785
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,320
those used ones pass on this one okay

1786
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:11,400
you

1787
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,520
could it's going to have a lot of miles

1788
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,880
on it by the time we are done with it so

1789
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,320
we spend what5 $600 a month now rent

1790
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,440
something that we could eliminate I mean

1791
01:23:20,440 --> 01:23:22,000
it's a it's it's possibility you're it's

1792
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,120
probably going to have 130 plus th000

1793
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,280
miles on it um of police driving

1794
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,719
so it also has a water pump on the back

1795
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:33,800
of the motor which if you have any

1796
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,159
knowledge of cost about 3,000 to replace

1797
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:42,510
so

1798
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,040
jeez okay so you heard the

1799
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:50,030
recommendation is there a motion to that

1800
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:54,199
effect second and then seconded by Le um

1801
01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:57,000
any further discussion hearing none roll

1802
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:02,560
call please D yes sh yes Sean yes power

1803
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,550
yes B

1804
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:13,719
yes that's fine yeah motion is yeah

1805
01:24:13,719 --> 01:24:14,480
thank

1806
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:18,320
you that did include I I kind of missed

1807
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,280
that there's a a second part of that to

1808
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,960
sell the other one on govdeals.com

1809
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:24,320
least that'll be the intention for right

1810
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:25,960
now the intent correct yeah sorry I kind

1811
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,000
of we see we get the plan is to I think

1812
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,920
production is set for January February

1813
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:36,030
for the 24 models it's a quick

1814
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,719
window well El say she's a whole new

1815
01:24:39,719 --> 01:24:43,960
ball game today folks okay um we are at

1816
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,920
the end of tonight's agenda then under

1817
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,040
committee reports they're in our packet

1818
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,000
comments from the mayor I have none

1819
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,960
other than my uh reiterate my earlier

1820
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,159
comment about business development

1821
01:24:57,159 --> 01:24:59,199
agreements and then comments from the

1822
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,880
city council it's nice to see Adam

1823
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:05,239
Street done very nice

1824
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:07,800
yeah anything else comments from the

1825
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,880
city manager you heard from me enough

1826
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:13,119
tonight Thomas we're at that moment is

1827
01:25:13,119 --> 01:25:16,320
there a second second and JJ any further

1828
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:19,560
discussion hearing none roll call power

1829
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:24,800
yes yes yes yes it

1830
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,520
yes thank you