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like
she doesn't want to go for a master, but

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she has to

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» [snorts]

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» I didn't realize

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Did you say you got [clears throat]

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the 20 24

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[clears throat]

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» [laughter]

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» Looks like everybody's in place. We're
going to call the meeting to order. And

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the first item on today's agenda is the
pledge of allegiance.

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» Pledge to the flag of the United States
of America and to the republic for which

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it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, liberty and justice for

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all.

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» Okay. So, first item is public comments.
Is there any public comments this

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evening?

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Dave, you have something?
>> Um,

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I was um at Williams Grove for the 9-day
deal that they had. Uh, I was over there

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seeing a lot of people coming in
complaining about the Route 15 traffic.

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And the route route 15 traffic is
ridiculous I think. And um

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a lot of the people were furious and u I
know that a lot of residents are fed

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[clears throat] up.
Uh when we have new developments come

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in, they get upset
uh even more. And I I understand where

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they're coming from.
Uh I've been trying to come up with some

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way to sort of solve this. Uh but we
have developments on the way and there's

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future coming
and I thought maybe there'd be some way

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to get a a moratorum to stop the future
stuff

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uh on the basis of like u
uh if the city water system isn't big

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enough to accommodate the new
development that maybe they would hold

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it off something to that effect. Uh but
uh I was talking with uh Dave Jones

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there, our our solicitor today, and he
explained a little bit more to me uh

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regarding
uh [snorts] our rights as far as

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township
on what we can do to try and stop some

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of this so we can lighten things up.
When you look at the fact that a

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development goes in with uh say 100
homes, that's 200 more cars that go on

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this road out here. And when you look
out there at 11:00 in the morning and

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see gridlock both directions, you know
there's something wrong. And but we're

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dealing with that. It's going to get
worse.

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Um I don't know, Dave, u do you have any
comments on this as far as explain how

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we stand on this? Well, it's it's under
the Pennsylvania Municipal Planning

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Code. If a if a developer comes in with
a plan that meets the requirements of

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the zoning ordinance and the subdivision
land development ordinance, they are in

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fact entitled legally to an approval.
I'm not speaking sight to a a a

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ordinance requirement that has not been
met. So, that is part of the issue.

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Pennsylvania's long long been a property
rights states that if you own a piece of

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property, you're allowed to do what
you're permitted to do with it

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reasonably. Um there's a lot of case law
about municipalities trying to put

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moratoriums on development and they've
all been turned they've all been

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reversed and said you can't do that. So
um unfortunately I I just have to tell

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you what the law is. It's not my
position necessarily, but um I drive

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through this this traffic sometimes,
too. But at the same time, we can't

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control 11:15 or Route 15 and and that's
a state road. And that's not just

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because of the development here.
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development south of us, development
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it's just more and more people on the
road. So,

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» thank you. [clears throat]
>> One one little bit. Yeah. Um the we had

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a thing about month or so ago uh where
Pendot came in and and uh gave us a talk

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at the [clears throat]
uh BFW in Billsburg uh regarding

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upgrades on 15th and that stuff.
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Um, there's a going to be a 2-year break
where I think they're going to get water

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pipes and things under Route 15 taken
care of, get them upgraded,

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and uh after that they said it would
take 3 years to uh do the changes that

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they want to make. Now, the changes they
want to make are more like acceleration

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ramps and de acceleration ramps for uh
roads that um

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uh come out and say have a stop sign or
something like that at Route 15 plus to

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help it for the businesses to get on and
off which I think would help things but

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uh that's 5 years away
and uh I the biggest problem that I see

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is the fact that we're we had in our
comp comp plan, we had uh interchanges

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that we thought should go in
um and uh different locations and some

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roads that would uh back up these
interchanges

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and uh 5 years from now they're going to
be gone.

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» That means no interchanges unless they
start ripping things down. I don't know

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» how they can possibly do it, but
>> yeah, there's Thank you, Dave. I

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appreciate [clears throat] it.
>> That's it.

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» Yeah. Um and then of note, uh we did
have an executive session before the

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meeting. I forgot to um say it before,
so I'll do it under public comments um

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for ongoing legal matters that we had to
discuss. So, we did hold an executive

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session beforehand. Um now, we have the
final subdivision in land development

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plan for 941 York Road Warehouse.

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And it's the deadline is September 24th.
>> Are you able to put it up?

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» Thank you.
>> Good evening. Conor Serge with Highland

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Engineering here representing the owner.
Um so this plan is a subdivision land

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development final plan. It is one lot
existing right now. We're planning to

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subdivide into two lots. One will be
developed about 30 acres or so and then

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a residual lot of about 24 acres. that
lot one. Um I can wait till it gets

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pulled up. Um but we did come through
with pulary plan uh in 2024. We had two

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waiverss associated with that that were
approved as well. Um it's a 252,000

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ft industrial facility with associated
loading docks with 33 loading docks, 41

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trailer spaces, and 88 employee spaces.

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I apologize. I have a connection issue.
>> Okay.

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» No problem.

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» Uh the building provides fire access 360
around the building and there's a fire

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water tank um solely for the facility
located on the property. We have storm

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water management, a large basin
downstream as well as an infiltration

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trench um just outside the employee
parking. We've gone through multiple

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permits with PADP. We have NPDES
approval as well as uh chapter 105

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permit approval for a roadway that
crosses a stream that we are providing a

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culprit access through. Now, um traffic
is expected to be approved by PENDOT

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here in the next couple weeks.
[clears throat] Very hard to know down

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the time frame as I'm sure you know. Um
but all the major things have been

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ironed out. Our sewer and water are
tying into the extensions already

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provided by the TCU project uh directly
above us this south. Um and we also have

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electric on site. Um
there are some minor improvements to

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your road coming mainly widening your
shoulders um and repaving lanes. Um kind

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of matching what TC did just continuing
that down further. There you go. So that

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is the um lot one
to the bottom of the screen is route 15

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and then on the right hand side is your
road. Um up above to the north is your

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residual lot too which is pretty much
just open field going to remain that

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way. Um
up here

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that's where our storm basin will be
going. Um majority of the runoff reaches

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that [clears throat] and then it
discharges further to the left hand side

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down to dogwood run. Um again we all
permits with D for that already.

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Um
here is the fire access. I talked about

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fire that was discussed with fire chief
um and ultimately approved as well the

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gold marana plants.
Uh any questions I would be happy to

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answer if you have any. Yeah, I do. When
this pro uh project got started, I did

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some research on on what needed to be
done

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uh with certain things as far as oil
separators. Okay. The oil separator deal

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was I checked on what the new road
tractor's maximum fuel capacity was and

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the maximum fuel capacity was like uh uh
I think it was like 730 gallons

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and the possibility of a fuel tank
rupture in a parking lot even if it's

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just a fender bender or just a failure
of a a fuel [snorts] line or something

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like that where you can start having a
spill. You should be able to contain

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the maximum gallons so it doesn't get
into the screen and actually get it

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before it goes into your basement. And
it's a simple thing to do and I find out

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I was trying to get from your people the
information as we went along and along

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and along
what was going on and they kept saying,

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"Well, we'll get back to you. will get
back in. Never did it. I finally find

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out you're putting in standard
fuel station like service station where

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you get gas
uh drain systems and that's it. There's

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one every one of them is going to catch
I think it's 30 gallons or 40 gallons of

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fuel and from there on it's going to go
in the stream there. If you have another

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uh storm drain
30 ft away and some of it goes in there

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and it captures 40 40 gallons and start
sending it into the stream, that's what

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you're going to have. You're supposed to
have a system right before the the basin

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where all the all the water or whatever
from the parking lot comes down into one

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pipe and right before it goes in there
have an oil separator

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and they changed it all around and come
up with this storm drain deal which

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ain't going to do it. So there if you
know it's already passed, it's already

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in place. But if there is a problem and
it gets into the spring and it goes down

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into yellow, somebody's going to have a
big clean up.

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» I mean,
>> yeah.

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» And right, just for your information,
since your basin is your basin built

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yet?
>> No, nothing is under control.

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» You might want to think about it.
[snorts] So as the whole thing, the

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whole idea and a knew it was to run it
into one pipe

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through the separator into the basin and
had the base had the separator also with

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an alarm system, if it was loaded with
fuel because any truck driver that goes

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in and dumps a load of fuel by accident
and he gets some way to fix it, he's

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going to get out of there because he
doesn't want to pay for the cleanup of

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the screen.
So, it was a big mistake on it. The the

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next warehouse behind you guys is in
doing the same thing and they're not

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fully approved. They're coming for the
final. And there again, it's the little

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storm drain deal.
>> Thanks, Steve.

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» So, I just want to point that out.
>> Okay. Thanks. Anyone have any other

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questions?

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» Manny, do you have any questions on
this? Um I don't have any question but I

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did we did um point out a couple other
comments. Um

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» okay
>> in item number five so we have talked

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about that mostly is the plan clean up
at this point. Um so my main concern

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will be the panda stone crate under the
the um panda row. So make sure that you

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provide the proper
>> site plan one and the storm water um

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calculation for my review.
>> Yep. We will get that with you.

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» Can you let us know when when that comes
in?

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» Yes.
>> What was the change um in the end of the

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proposed retaining wall north of the
driveway entrance?

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So it originally followed the curve
line.

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» Oh, essentially
closer to York Road

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didn't like that. So they cut it off and
buried it into the site more. So there's

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more grading provided kind of sloping
[clears throat] pended.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» So that way they need to be cleaned up a
little bit as well. Um because you know

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it's very hard right now. Um
after you make the wall curve to the

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north
that you need to clean up the building

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right there.
>> Yeah. I don't know the thoughts will be

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on a little bit but
is there a determination already made

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you on the financial contribution agreed
upon was for the realigning of R 74 to

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the north.
>> I believe the client has been in touch

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with Brandon and your team on that. I
know

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» I I know we've I see what we for the
donation for the green space, but

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» I don't think anything's been signed.
>> Yeah, it was part of the conditional use

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approval. I believe it's $400,000. Uh
there was a

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that score in lie of uh which was

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» yeah that was there's there's a rack fee
in L correct

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» and then a lump sum contribution which
is separate 400,000

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that goes to emergency services and for
the relocation of 74 in the future. So

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that was decided upon the conditional
use hearing.

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So that part four section 4
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um part five that is the route 74

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realignment of route 74 to the north
contribution [clears throat]

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or is that for the green space park?
>> The fee in L of there's two things

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there. The fee loop is her direct direct
fee.

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» Yeah. But I only see one number on that
report.

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» Yeah. She don't have a specific number.
Um

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» I think it's directly um copy from what
the P plan comments letter.

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» Yeah. So it goes by the disturbed area.
Um I believe it's $1,000 per disturbed

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acre. Um and then we take the limited
disturbance. I have that number on the

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screen share so I can't pull that back
up.

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» Okay. because said in a report that that
400,000 is the wreck fee. It's not the

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donation for Route 74 realignment.
>> Two items here

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and
>> so there's two. There's a rec.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

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» So the lum contribution is $1,000 but
the fee is separate number but I can get

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the number to you.
>> So they will have to be paid prior to

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recording.
>> Right.

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» Yeah. Okay. There's any questions I had.
>> Thank you.

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» That's it.
>> Thank you guys.

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» Okay. TN TCNE SH reduction.
We have

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uh so for the [clears throat]
reduction uh we will use the most

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current site plan and we also did the
site visit and just confirm everything

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were installed properly and construct as
planned. uh at this point we are

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recommending retaining 50% of to ensure
the survival of the tree during the 18

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months guarantee period and 25% of the
post schedule lighting infection. Uh the

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amount that we would recommend to retain
is $151,000

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$151 $800. So that's the release amount
>> 151

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recommend um $4 million a little bit
more $4 million to be reduced and

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» least

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okay

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next is the minor minor financials or
that minor final subject collision plan

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of 235 Campground Road for Jeffrey Stump
and Angela Clemens. There's a deadline

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on December or September 23rd. We do
need a time extension on that.

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» Correct. Yeah, this is still at the
planning commission level

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here tonight. Um, if you guys have any
questions on that, they did provide us

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with signed time extension uh to
November 30th, 2026.

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» Yes, I saw that. I didn't have any
questions. And how do you think it's

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going to go between
you think be done by November 30th?

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» Yeah, I mean the biggest thing in these
types of subdivision plans in this

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particular case are going to be pendot
which is in its final throws of being

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reviewed by PDP and [clears throat] uh a
pendot permit for the new lot. Um that

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permit [clears throat] has been
submitted. that's in the review process.

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But um though it's a minor minimum use
permit, it still could take 6 to 8 weeks

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to be issued. So we would expect to have
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» Sure.
>> Um one of the issues I know that came up

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with the planning commission. I was
hoping we could discuss it at Florida

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level tonight, but my client
unfortunately is out of town due to the

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holiday. um was a recommendation of the
of the planning commission to consider

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um instead of taking a fee in lie of u
recreation to uh require or request an

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easement for the rail trail that I think
is projected to go through this

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property. Um, as I said, my I was hoping
my client would be here to do the

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discussion instead of me, but uh they
they do plan on being here next week.

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So, we certainly can have that
discussion with the board. Um, obviously

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they do have concerns regarding
liability and and those types of

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factors. Um,
but they are willing to talk. So,

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um, relative to the plan itself, it's as
you may know, it's a it's a relatively

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minor plan. It's a 10acre lot that we're
cutting off the existing farmhouse

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that's located on this property in order
to create a new lot that the owner

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intends to build a home for his wife and
uh family.

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We did work with the township and that
home is currently under construction. Um

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so we're kind of catching the
subdivision up with what he intends to

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do. We do have some minor comments
relative to Manny's review and we have

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no problem in getting those cleaned up.
So, I'll answer any questions you may

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have or I'll see you next week.
[clears throat]

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» Thank you.

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Process Mandy.
>> Yes. Thank you.

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Uh going on as usual. Um the good thing
is um open room has been open uh since

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August 12th. Um things as of now uh
going pretty good. Um we didn't get any

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call as far as I know. Uh [laughter]
so everything is going well for that one

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in so that next item is all bank
statement roundabout.

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Um, so the public meeting is actually
scheduled on September 5th, 15 from 6 to

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8 at the concert building, which is next
Tuesday.

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» Um,
not

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we can ask Chelsea to put it on the D.
It is

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[clears throat]

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» okay.
I didn't see this a couple weeks ago.

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» The email. Okay. Okay. I think I just
got the email last week, I think.

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» Okay.
>> They created a flyer for it. So, we got

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it out to everybody. I put it on my
Facebook just try to get it out.

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Okay. [clears throat]
>> So, as far as the

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comments, can we actually
address the comment already and resubmit

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the revision? Uh, at this point, they
are still coordinating with the area

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authority. Uh as far as the water and
sewer aspect of it, um

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from what I know for further discussion
will need to be um going on and

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happening with their engineer GTH.
But um exciting news, you know, the next

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public meeting so we can provide the
education um opportunity for the general

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public.
>> Any questions for me at this point?

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» Will you be at the public meeting? I
move it. Yeah. So the next item is high

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grow. Um they actually submit the final
plan for the township and engineer

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signature already. At this point um
we're waiting for their update and once

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the plan is reported. So no scrolling on
this one just you know hitting the final

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finish line.
Next one is just my go uh I have been

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coordinating with the development
contractor. Um, everything's going

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pretty smoothly. Um, they actually
submit [clears throat] the f final

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cleanup plan last week, which is really
good. Um,

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as of this morning, I do have another
conversation with them. Um, they're

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expecting to submit, they still have a
little bit clean up to do, but it's just

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nothing major. Uh it's just for
presentation purposes, nothing related

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to engineering. Uh they they will plan
to provide me another copy uh later

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later this week. [laughter] Okay.
Construction is still going on. Um they

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are planning to install the sewer line
September 13. Uh we will have the

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inspection people out there to make sure
that they do their back field and uh uh

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compact material properly.

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The next item is 235 campground row. So
Mr. was here

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already.
Next item is 941 local warehouse. Uh

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this one is also on the on the agenda
earlier. So nothing more to add at this

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point.
Uh J also on the agenda. Nothing more to

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add. Going really fast, huh? That's
great. So the next one is for North

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County School District Middle School. Um
as of now um I have not received the

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plan or application but they're planning
to submit to um to the country for

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review and comment shortly. They would
like I from what I understanding they

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want to move the project fast.

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Um the next one is the solen uh
I'm sorry. So the next one next one is

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the solar p 454.
Uh they actually rescheduled their goal

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widening schedule. Uh it was supposed to
be August 31st. Uh right now their their

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schedule uh push to uh September 15
which is next week.

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Um
that's all I have. Um other than that

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project is not much more money.
Thank you. Yeah, many of or Brandon. Um,

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thought there was talk about a is there
going to be any kind of reconstruction

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of the intersection of Orbank and 15
where Giant from Giant down to 15 or was

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it only just the section of providing a
turn lane coming off of Orb Bank on 15?

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» No, the full reconstruction is involved
with the Pendot project. But yeah, all

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the improvements that were done that you
see out there now were part of the

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approved plan for it. So it's basically
>> there won't be anything done from our

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plan right now until P end up comes in
correct

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» for that from giant 215. Okay.
>> All right. That's my question. Thank

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you.
>> See next we have the SPC of your

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accounting animal care and housing
agreements 2027 animal care and housing.

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On August 25th, uh we received from the
SPCA the 2027 annual care and housing

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agreement uh our municipalities invoice
for the 2027 fee and the service summary

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to support communications with
stakeholders and taxpayers. Uh you

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should all be a copy of that um for your
review uh and for your signature to

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approve the agreement as a local
governing body. And then I have the

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invoice attached here for $6,235
for me to submit for pay for payment.

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[clears throat] Yeah, I do read the
agreement. I didn't see I didn't see any

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issues from my perspective. The only
thing I would note it is a 7% increase

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um as we're seeing increases hitting the
township for 2027 coming up.

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» Mhm. Yeah, I know.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. But it's one of the Yeah. We have
to have

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» Yeah. Yeah. You know, I disagree with
just noted that I think every I think

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everything's
>> We're lucky it's only seven.

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» Yeah, cuz that's we're getting ready to
go into budgeting. [laughter]

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» Yeah.
>> All right. Uh include animal control

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services contract for 2027.
>> Uh you should we also receive for uh the

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animal control service contract include
now. She will actually come to if we

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have an animal, she actually won't call
her. She'll come and actually physically

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take the animal. Um, were they given
last year's contract review?

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, you you should have the

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new one for 207 and cont the last one.
So, you can review side by side to see

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» roughly how many times we use them in
various year to year. It could be it

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could it depends. It could be a very
light year. It could be a heavy year.

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I think last year last year when you
budget like,100

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they're almost not a lot of money but
it's still 20% increase.

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» Yeah.
>> I'm just trying to determine that we use

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them like 50 times.
>> You don't have to accept that. You can

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always ask to enter into negotiations
with her.

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» Yeah.

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» Okay.
>> Unfortunately, she's the only game in

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town. No, for the most part. Yes, he
kind of has

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» there's supposedly a new one starting
down on red lines. I don't know if

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that's true or not, but
>> yeah,

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» get some competition.

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» It'll be welcome.
>> So, there seems to be a lot of times

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that they are closed. What do you do
with dogs

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» during the time that they are not
taking?

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» Um, we'll try to get the state dog board
if they're available. If they're not,

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we'll ask the homeowner to
the dog.

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in the mail.
>> How often does how often do they pick up

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when when you need them and how often
are you having to come up with

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alternative? Um
>> rarely. I will admit it's rarely

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» Okay.
And what's the cost for each time that

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they actually take up a dog?
>> That can vary. I I don't know that

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number.
>> Okay. So, it's not the same proof. I I

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didn't I may have read too fast, but I
didn't notice that on the contract.

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» Yeah, I I have to review it myself.
>> Okay.

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» Okay.
Next we have DOG grants resolution

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number 26-23
a resolution of board of supervisors

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Carol Township authorizing the signing
of the fiscal year 26 bridging

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immigration related deficits experience
Biden program round three grant

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» Sergeant Terry Williams is on Zoom to
discuss that if you have any questions

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» I don't have any questions is this the
same the same things that we applied for

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in phase two
>> we never ended up imported under phase

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two. Well, we ran out of time. Now we're
waiting on phase three hasn't opened up

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yet. We're anticipating it soon.
>> Okay.

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» Uh the Sergeant Williams I know they're
waiting for phase three to open up.

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» Well, yeah, it it seems like it was the
same thing. So,

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» it is it is. Yeah.
>> So, is it required um to be part of the

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287g program in order to apply and
receive that grant?

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» I believe that it does. Arms, you want
that?

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» Yes, it does.
Okay, good. Thanks.

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» I have a question about that.

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» Did you have more questions for
>> I didn't want to interrupt you if you

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were still asking

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question.
>> Um Szo, I'm a Carol Township resident on

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Creek Road. Um, and I was just curious
about this. Um, reading through um, the

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online documentation about it. Um, under
the eligibility section, it says

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applicants must be fully participating
in either HSTF operations or other major

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DOJ enforcement efforts or commit to
entering into and fully participating in

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these efforts. And I was curious if the
language here um pulls us into a bigger

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requirement for responsibility
um and less discretionary power than the

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287G itself does.
I understand under the 287G officers

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have the discretion of whether or not
they want to um cooperate with a request

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that they get from homeland security um
or ICE and they have the discretion to

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say no we don't want to go doortodoor no
we don't want to go into the schools um

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I've stopped someone I don't want to
separate this family even though there's

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um the driver is undocumented and we
currently have that discretion

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And I'm curious um in the language of
this contract, the way it says that we

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must be fully participating
whether that gives us the discretion to

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say no.
>> Sergeant Williams, do you have an answer

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to that?
>> Uh I I don't understand really what your

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basis of your question was. Um so can
you maybe elaborate a little bit?

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Yeah. Um and I'm just reading from I
don't know OM number 1121

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0329
is the online um overview information

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for the uh Biden program.
And section two um shows eligibility

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for the grants. And the second paragraph
explains that we have to either

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participate in the 287G
or commit to participating in one. But

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in addition to that, we must
um make a commitment to be fully

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participating
in Homeland Security Task Force

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operations and fully participating in
other major DOJ enforcement efforts. So

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that's what I'm questioning whether this
gives us less discretion going forward

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if we um participate with this grant.
>> I don't believe so. Um most of all of

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the other 287G departments in your
county have already applied for this

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grant. Um it's just specific as to
whether or not we participate in the

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program or not. Um I I don't I'm not
looking into it the way I think you are.

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um it's just meant me necessarily that
you have to be certified under that

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program in order to apply for this
grant. That's that's about it.

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» Is that something that we could get
legal advice for? Sure.

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» I guess what I would say is this. If the
requirement is that you lose all

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discretion, they would need the 287g
participation because it is

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discretionary. Correct.
>> Correct.

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» Right. So on a 22 287G we have the
discretion to to say no [snorts]

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we're not doing that. So for them to add
if if the second requirement were well

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you don't have a choice you don't need
287g it would just say you have to

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commit to participating in all those
activities that you you imagine all the

422
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,880
major task force activities and so on
and so forth. We certain I'll certainly

423
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,880
look into it by next week. who's trying
to look into that. But from a logical

424
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,640
standpoint, they wouldn't bootstrap it
to 287G

425
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:04,720
if it's not discretionary on they
wouldn't need 287G at all.

426
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,960
» Right. And I think that, you know, the
part

427
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:15,040
there allows departments that don't
participate in 287G to have a pathway as

428
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:18,000
well. Um, but I I would appreciate if
you'd look into and make sure that we're

429
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,760
not digging ourselves into a deeper
hole.

430
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:26,079
We still, if I recall, Sergeant Well,
you can clarify for me. Um, in the

431
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:31,200
agreement, there were three different
options to choose from in that

432
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:36,240
agreement. And the one we chose,
um, was not to do the, you know,

433
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:41,359
doortodoor knocking on the door and
pulling people out. Um it was to

434
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,359
basically support what our officers were
doing in this in the field when they

435
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:50,640
would come across a situation when
someone auto accident traffic stop you

436
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:56,800
know ticket speeding what have you um
and the person is undocumented then you

437
00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:05,040
can't vet them then we would use a 287g.
>> Well I do understand that um some of the

438
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:10,000
arrests um have been in response to um
ICE contacting us. [clears throat] um in

439
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:12,720
addition to just the traffic stops.
Yeah.

440
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:20,880
» That that we run as well. So there is
some kind of um an agreement there where

441
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:25,200
ICE is initiating
the efforts. [clears throat]

442
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:29,520
» So if I can interject um as of the time
since we joined this program, not one

443
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:34,880
time have we gone to a school, have we
gone into the neighborhoods or done

444
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:39,839
anything that you described. um these
incidents that you're talking about um

445
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:47,520
if it is happening it's done on their
own and not by us. Um I think I told you

446
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:51,599
that when I spoke in March that that was
not our intent. So we have no intentions

447
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:55,839
on doing that.
>> Yeah. And I I appreciate and I I believe

448
00:38:54,079 --> 00:39:01,839
that there's good intentions. I'm just
hoping that the legal ease follows those

449
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:08,880
intentions and that that um continues to
be true. Any other questions?

450
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:13,760
Thank you.
Okay.

451
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:17,440
Next, we have, let's see, the permission
to start the hiring process to have two

452
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,480
full-time police officers to start
January 27th.

453
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,560
» So, it's in the going to be in the
proposed budget. We have one retirement

454
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:29,040
uh the beginning of January. We have
another one that could happen uh halfway

455
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:33,520
through the year and we're asking for an
additional uh we would like to start the

456
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:38,800
process. It's not going to cost the
township anything other than just our

457
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:44,720
time to to do the interviews. Uh so that
if it does get approved, we're ready to

458
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:48,160
move for the meeting of the year.
And if it doesn't get approved, it's the

459
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,400
only time that we're out is our time to
do the interview.

460
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,320
» What's the second one?
>> Yeah. [clears throat] Uh so we have one

461
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,760
we have a sergeant that is uh going to
be retiring the end of January.

462
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:02,560
» We [clears throat] have another officer
who is potentially going to leave

463
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:06,880
halfway through the year. Uh and we're
asking to add on to the department. We

464
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,880
want to balance that up. The 12 hour
shifts happen to balance out the shifts.

465
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:17,320
Uh we actually need two. We're asking
for one for next year.

466
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,320
It'll be in the proposed budget.

467
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,000
just because it takes time just to start
the process.

468
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:30,640
» Yeah.
Next, [snorts and cough] we have advis

469
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:35,960
the board supervisors of the conference
room table donation from Frank.

470
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,040
» We were we were we were in need. It was
something that we wanted. We wanted to

471
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:48,960
have a conference table out of the
tables that we had. um supervisor Seth

472
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:53,760
Black was was able to reach out to his
uh former employer and they had one

473
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:58,880
thing I'm using and they donated to us.
Uh it's a very nice table. It really is.

474
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:03,440
Um and we send a nice thank you letter
to Mr. Tim Tate Timothy Tate uh from the

475
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:06,720
company. Uh
>> and I have that in your actual packet

476
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,800
for next week and send your packet a
copy of the thank you letter. Yeah, I

477
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:15,200
appreciate I mean Tim Tate has always um
and the Tay family has always been um

478
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:19,839
pretty generous with their time and and
supporting um [clears throat]

479
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:26,800
different municipalities or um
government um agencies and or um uh

480
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:32,480
nonprofit organizations so on so forth.
So I knew I knew what they had um

481
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,240
discussed a need within the police
department and I gave Tim that call and

482
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,560
uh he was more than happy to uh to
donate the table to the township to be

483
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:44,240
used for the police department multi a
multi-purpose room. So

484
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:48,560
» awesome.
>> It's really nice. It is really nice that

485
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:52,800
they
>> awesome. [laughter]

486
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,240
» Okay. Chief Wargo has completed his four
years of service on the executive board

487
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,160
of the York County Chiefs of Police
Association.

488
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,520
» So yeah, you're all aware I was a member
of the York County Chiefs of Police

489
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:05,520
Association. Um four years ago I was
asked to be on the executive board and

490
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:09,839
every year you call me Sergeant the the
secretary then treasurer vice president.

491
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:14,560
So this all this last year I served as
the president of the association. Uh the

492
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:18,000
last meeting of August by our bylaws is
the last meeting and then starting

493
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,084
September everybody moves up to the next
chair. So I am now the immediate past

494
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:27,324
president um for the new year.
[laughter] I have completed my 4-year

495
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:32,960
term as the on the executive
[clears throat] on that. Just letting

496
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:40,079
chief at Carol Township ever be asked
executive

497
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,680
» and then um update on the K9.
>> I don't think they have I don't think we

498
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:45,280
have
>> I don't have anything as far as I know

499
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200
that all the
>> M [clears throat]

500
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,920
actually you
>> Yes.

501
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:54,720
So [cough] must steer differently. That
was my understanding.

502
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:59,474
» So go on next week's meeting to hope to
execute.

503
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,474
» All right. Cool. [snorts]

504
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:07,520
» Uh next we have update on Robert Gay,
the 283 K Road. [clears throat] Do we

505
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:12,040
have any updates on that? I know Dave,
did you have something?

506
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,040
» Yeah.

507
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:19,960
» Yeah, we have something. His father.
Yeah, there it is.

508
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:22,400
[clears throat]

509
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Am

510
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,160
I supposed to make a statement or are
you going to ask me questions?

511
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:46,720
» If you have an update for us.
>> Okay. So, um [clears throat]

512
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:52,480
uh
I haven't addressed you guys. I

513
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:58,720
mentioned in the um correspondence of
Brandon um as as [clears throat] a

514
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:03,359
memorandum of understanding
um I'm supposed to be reporting to him

515
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:08,480
every 3 weeks with pictures and updates.
Um

516
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:16,079
when I left when the last time I I was
before you guys I was you guys had

517
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:22,800
suspended um the uh engineer
>> and um uh

518
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:30,880
and then I had gotten I had gone forward
um with um uh acquiring a building

519
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:37,440
permit. Um when I when uh my personal
drawings weren't detailed enough, I went

520
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:43,760
and uh and got my own engineer to draw
plans um which were submitted with the

521
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:49,920
voting uh permit. Um and then at that
point in time uh

522
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:58,720
um I
uh had gone to Asia. Um the uh property

523
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:03,599
um you know a lot of people haven't been
there uh think that I should have been

524
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:10,480
able to get equipment down there. Um but
it's a 20x40. I don't have too many um

525
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:14,319
uh
too much equipment that can get down in

526
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:22,319
there to get that done. So I dug it up
by hand. Um it was a lengthy process. Um

527
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:26,880
and then um uh and it was quite surgical
as well since I was doing it. Um and um

528
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,240
if I would have gotten [laughter]
equipment down there, I would have never

529
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:35,119
been able to get the dirt on the other
side of the prop other side of the

530
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:41,520
building in the basement out the way I
was able to get them out as as I did it.

531
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:47,839
Um so uh [clears throat] so that took a
long time. Um and with with the

532
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:55,839
buildings from as I went before I got
the um uh drawings from my uh engineer

533
00:45:52,880 --> 00:46:00,640
and then submitted that like the
memorandum of understanding was wrecked

534
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:06,000
right from the beginning that timeline
and as I submitted that timeline before

535
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:12,720
you guys in a written letter that I
wrote to you guys that was like like off

536
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:17,680
the top of my head. Um, and then I had
no idea at the time, my own ignorance, I

537
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:22,720
had no idea what the solicitor was.
Brandon had told me that um, that I had

538
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:27,920
some papers to sign from the solicitor.
And so I waited um, and then it took

539
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:32,400
took off to get the paper. I got the I
got them two days before I went to Asia.

540
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:38,000
I actually mailed them to Brandon in San
Francisco as I was heading out of the

541
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:42,319
country. I signed them because
I don't know what you guys are. you guys

542
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:48,000
were good enough to suspend
um being uh

543
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:53,359
the engineer, pure engineer, and and so
um I I just signed them to get to get

544
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:58,079
them signed and get me going. Um but
that that that timeline's been wrecked

545
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:04,480
since the beginning. Um but I I got I
got um uh Dave's [clears throat] been

546
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:09,680
out to the site. Um uh he's seen it. Um
uh at this point in time, I've been

547
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:14,319
laying block today. Um, I got I I keep
looking at my phone. Um, where I got the

548
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:22,240
instruction I think was a Monday, a week
ago. [clears throat] Um, and um uh and

549
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:28,720
then uh I poured I actually for Friday.
Um, and I had to get I I I launched a

550
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:34,560
cement mixer down in there and then I
had 80 bags of uh concrete that I mixed

551
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:38,400
in a cement mixer. took me about well I
got done at 8:00 at night and I started

552
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:45,520
at like 11:00
so I was poured and then I I went I went

553
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:52,960
on
Saturday morning to get block of coal

554
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:56,480
um cement and then they were closed uh
so I couldn't I couldn't start playing

555
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:01,920
well I couldn't start with a newer block
I had some block that I was able to lay

556
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:09,119
my first course with um and then I I
went this morning and got uh how the 90

557
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:15,839
90 block um uh and been laying I made a
sec part of the second course today and

558
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:20,880
um and then uh had to offload my truck
and that's why I was late um because I

559
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:27,680
just got done offloading 90 block and
every one of those bags was carried from

560
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:32,400
the road down and then down to the
basement. Uh, two labors actually helped

561
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:37,119
me with doing the cement bags. The block
I did I did I just carried down to once

562
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:43,440
this one [clears throat]
just down to the top of the the basement

563
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:49,839
because um uh it I don't [clears throat]
know if they shared any picture but um

564
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:54,800
or Brandon um I I I have to pump the
water once I get rains um because it's

565
00:48:52,800 --> 00:49:00,319
fills up down there. So, I have a I
bought a small utility pump to pump the

566
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:03,599
water out on the windows and um so
that's been an ongoing issue with the

567
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:10,880
the [clears throat] digging with the
heat and the and the water and the rain

568
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:17,680
that we've had. Um um but I'm I mean I'm
not on the timeline, but I'm I'm there

569
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:21,839
every day. Um so, m Mr. and you're, you
know, by the end of August, you're to be

570
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:26,529
finish the roof and clean up all the
debris and then close in the structure

571
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:30,480
throughout the month of September. So,
[clears throat] um, and within that

572
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,240
memorandum of understanding, it it it
says default by owner. If the event the

573
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,079
owner fails to meet one or more of the
repair milestones above, township shall

574
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,480
immediately renew enforcement action on
the dangerous building provisions.

575
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:44,559
» I understand that, sir.
>> We don't have a choice. I mean, is

576
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,160
that's an agreement that you you agreed
to based on the timeline you submitted

577
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:52,440
to the board. We're [clears throat]
following the timeline you created.

578
00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:00,480
» Yeah, we do. I mean, we have residents
that have filed complaints based on the

579
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:04,760
concern of that being a dangerous a
dangerous house, a dangerous building,

580
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:12,040
right? [clears throat]
>> And this has been going on for a long

581
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,040
time. So um

582
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:16,760
based on the agreement

583
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,839
the enforcement should happen.

584
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:29,839
Um I went out and saw where he's
working.

585
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:34,640
It's it's a tough place to work. He's
doing a lot of it by himself.

586
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,880
» That's that's not the conscious problem.
I understand

587
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:40,559
» it is the responsibility of the
homeowner. It's the homeowner who was

588
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,920
came up with the schedule, not the
township.

589
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,680
» Um
signed an agreement saying, "Okay, I'll

590
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:51,520
do that." And we said, "If you don't do
these milestones, then the default

591
00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:55,760
[clears throat] by owner in the
memorandum of understanding is to

592
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,000
immediately renew the enforcement action
on the dangerous buildings provision. We

593
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:04,640
are responsible to make sure that we
follow our ordinances." Is it is there

594
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:09,760
anything in this uh memorandum of
understanding

595
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:15,200
that uh recognizes
heavy rain or severe heat for this guy

596
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:20,720
to be working
>> and uh there should that should be

597
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:27,680
played in. I know he lost a lot of work
time because of the rain and also with

598
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:31,680
the heat it reduced his ability to to
produce as much as he was normally

599
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,880
doing.
>> That's disruption. [clears throat]

600
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:42,960
» Well, the other thing we do is
uh time extensions. And I don't see why

601
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:47,359
he can't get one. He's he's out there
working and he's trying to do the job.

602
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:51,040
They just had a time extension for how
many years?

603
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:55,280
» I don't have the exact number of years,
but the house has been in this condition

604
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:57,359
for
>> more than long enough for time

605
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:02,960
extension.
>> I gave it an inspection for soundness. I

606
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:07,040
had a big walnut tree blew down about 2
months ago and that house is still

607
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:11,760
there. So, I don't think it's that bad a
shape. And the other thing too is

608
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:17,359
» that's a part of that's that's why
there's a provision or ordinance in

609
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:22,079
order to have a a township engineer to
determine [clears throat] based on the

610
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:28,319
structure if it fits the dangerous
building provision. With this job as a

611
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:34,160
supervisor, you should all remember one
thing. You got to think about compassion

612
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:39,839
for the individuals. This guy's working
hard. He works 60 hours a week and he's

613
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:44,000
lives in Perry County and comes down to
work on this house.

614
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,880
» David, I I understand that and and
believe me, I have compassion for that.

615
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,200
Um [clears throat]
this has been going on for a very very

616
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:55,520
long time. We also have the
responsibility as supervisors to

617
00:52:53,040 --> 00:53:00,400
residents who file complaint about that
structure being a potential dangerous

618
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:06,640
hazard to residents that are in and
around that area. Okay. So, we have that

619
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:12,160
we have that responsibility as well.
>> Well, we have a responsibility. I I

620
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:16,480
agree. The only thing is the only way
anybody's going to get hurt there is if

621
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:20,880
they're trespassing on this property if
something were to happen. But with all

622
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:26,160
that wind and everything, it wasn't one
shingle or piece of wood blew off the

623
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:31,760
place. And like I said, I had a big wall
blew down. I had to cut that thing up.

624
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:35,520
And you know, I've been over there. He's
He's not

625
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:38,960
uh [clears throat] staying at home or
partying with his buddies. He's down

626
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:40,880
there working all the time.
>> That's good. You [clears throat] should

627
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,319
be. I understand that.
>> Yeah. And it it's a tough job. He just

628
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:52,160
give me an example. He's down in the
basement boarding footers. He carried

629
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:53,920
his cement mixer down there somehow. I
don't know how he got it down.

630
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:57,920
» [clears throat]
>> and all the dirt that had to be shoveled

631
00:53:55,839 --> 00:54:02,400
out and everything. He had the
wheelbarrow up at the top of the the

632
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:05,040
normal surface throwing the dirt up.
>> Dave, you're going to come up with a

633
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,440
schedule. Wouldn't you consider all the
work you have to do?

634
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,200
» Well, I know.
>> Okay. I mean, you have to I mean, that's

635
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:15,920
like
estimating construction 101. If I know

636
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:20,480
I'm going to be doing XYZ to a home,
then I got to look at the plan and say,

637
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:24,319
"Okay, what do I have to do and come up
with?" Right?

638
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,839
So, I mean, Mr. Okay. When are you going
to have

639
00:54:26,522 --> 00:54:31,920
[clears throat] at least a August
milestone completed where the the the

640
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:37,280
roof is up?
>> I intend to get that winterized by

641
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:41,280
winter. That [clears throat]
>> I have I have I have to get that back

642
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:45,599
filled because of the because of the I I
can't have the ground precinct falling

643
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:50,079
um without it being backfilled or else
I'm going to get collapsed. So,

644
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:52,640
» okay. So, what date? I I can't go by
butcher. [clears throat]

645
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:58,280
Okay. And what what date are you going
to have it on the roof? And then what

646
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,280
date are you going to have it weather?

647
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:10,240
» Right. Wind, rain, snow, whatever may
happen from mother nature. Um when when

648
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:13,839
will you have this completed?
>> I I know you had said that.

649
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:17,240
» This is a question for Mr. Gay.
>> Okay. Go ahead.

650
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:21,520
» I'm not gone. I have no idea.
>> And and I don't want to call you out

651
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,800
guard. But why don't you have that
answer? My suggestion would be as a

652
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:29,040
supervisor of this board, and I'm only
one [clears throat] of five, would be to

653
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:34,643
come to next week's meeting and and
provide us with a new schedule

654
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:38,319
of when you're going to have the
[clears throat]

655
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:42,599
August and September milestones in the
memorandum of agreement completed.

656
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:49,839
» Could you repeat that, please?
I'm sorry.

657
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:54,079
» Could you repeat that? Come. I would
suggest that you come back into next

658
00:55:51,440 --> 00:56:00,559
week's meeting to provide in writing to
the township board of supervisors when

659
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:05,319
you're going to have this uh roof on and
when the structure will be made

660
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:05,319
weathertight.

661
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:17,839
I I personally
think he should get a time extension

662
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,760
and I I was thinking and I don't even
know if this is enough.

663
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:26,640
» Basically, what I'm asking him to do is
to come to the board of supervisors

664
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:31,200
meeting next week and to provide us with
a date of when he's going to have the

665
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:39,280
roof completed and when he's going to
have the structure made weather tight.

666
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:44,000
Well, that's something to me that uh is
uh something you can't write in stone. I

667
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,760
mean, there there's too many variables
on this.

668
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:50,400
» Well, then
>> but the thing is is we have we have a a

669
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:54,480
duty to follow our ordinances. The
ordinances aren't going to happen and we

670
00:56:52,559 --> 00:57:00,760
have to enforce those.
>> Yeah.

671
00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:00,760
» But you have to remember

672
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,599
and and we vote on those. I mean, we
have a lot. We have to uphold what

673
00:57:04,379 --> 00:57:10,640
[clears throat] we have here. And I
don't think, unfortunately,

674
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:15,040
» we're in a situation where it may not be
the right thing. It may not be the nice

675
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:18,720
thing to do, but we have to do equally
with every single citizen in the

676
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:23,520
township. So,
>> so you got to treat the person making

677
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:30,640
the complaint in the same way.
>> Well, first of all, you cannot because

678
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:34,480
this home hasn't been lived in a bit.
Everything is growing up and you know

679
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,960
how when a senior citizen has a home and
it grows up.

680
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:41,760
» Yeah. But the thing is is you have
>> they can't even see it.

681
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:46,240
» Okay. But but we have every single
citizen that has to we have to think

682
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:49,359
about every single citizen not just one.
If we do one for one then we have to do

683
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,280
one for the other. Then we have to you
know we can't be doing out specific

684
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:56,079
favors for specific people.
>> What's wrong with time extensions? We we

685
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,040
just gave one
>> because it has to go comes within our

686
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,160
ordinances.
Well, I think that would be within our

687
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:05,760
» What do you What do you think, Dave?
>> Well, first [clears throat] of all, the

688
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,760
developer has to give us a time
extension or we can't tell him.

689
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:14,559
» So, that's a little different
circumstance. Second, um, Mr. Gay, maybe

690
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:18,480
you could come back and let it let the
board know. Also, if you're doing this

691
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:22,160
all by yourself or you're going to hire
someone help you out with the framing

692
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:27,040
and the roofing because taking it off by
yourself is is a big job. I understand

693
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:31,119
that. But I think if you came back with
a plan of the date and how you're going

694
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:34,640
to accomplish that,
>> it sounds to me like the board may

695
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,480
consider a time extension. I don't think
the time they're saying no. I think they

696
00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:44,799
want to know what you reasonably believe
is an appropriate schedule. But my plan

697
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:50,559
my planned was was to get this wall that
fourth that fourth wall up and get a

698
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:55,200
sheath cuz I can't back fill a sheath
and then then I have something to work

699
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,400
with to to get the rest to build up from
there and get the rest of the of the um

700
00:58:58,079 --> 00:59:02,400
thing
>> and that sounds great but we do have to

701
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,839
have a time and there's nothing we can
do about that.

702
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:07,200
» Okay. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.

703
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:12,880
we have to uphold that.
>> So I mean my what my suggestion is gives

704
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:17,520
you a full week well since we're have a
holiday on Monday. It's a little bit

705
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:22,799
less than a full week right six days to
um to come up with that plan and and to

706
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:25,960
come up with that date to pre present to
the board.

707
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:34,480
» Now you want let me get it straight. You
want him to make up a new schedule.

708
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:39,680
» What I propose as a supervisor is for
Mr. Gay to come to our meeting next week

709
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:44,880
and provide a date of when he's going to
finish the roof complete and when he

710
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,880
will have the structure made weather
type which are

711
00:59:46,821 --> 00:59:53,799
» [clears throat]
>> um points seven and points eight in the

712
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,799
memorandum of understanding.

713
00:59:54,026 --> 00:59:59,200
[clears throat] Okay.
>> Okay.

714
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:06,400
» That makes sense.
>> I think so. You said seven and eight

715
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,760
» roof and weathertight structure.
>> What date?

716
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:12,400
» Okay,
>> you'll have each of those accomplished.

717
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:15,839
So, you've got um just a day less than a
week to go and create that plan and as

718
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,520
our solicitor said, which is a good
suggestion, is here's the date and how

719
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,280
am I going to do that? I'm going to do
it all myself and I know through my time

720
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,720
I have I can get that done or I'm going
to hire someone to help me or I'm going

721
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:32,520
to hire a roof contractor, whatever you
plan to do. But what is that? Right.

722
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:39,599
» Okay.
>> Um, can there have anything due to

723
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:43,599
weather as far as adjustments?
>> He has to consider that in his schedule

724
01:00:41,839 --> 01:00:47,760
like any other contractor, any other
homeowner that does does scheduling for

725
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:51,722
building a home or repairing a home or
doing remodeling.

726
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,722
» No different. [clears throat]

727
01:00:54,640 --> 01:01:00,079
» Okay. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Okay. Thank you,

728
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:03,680
Mr.
>> Next, we have Carol Township Police

729
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:09,559
Pension 2027
minimum of municipal obligation MMA

730
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,559
worksheet.

731
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:16,559
» I have a copy.
>> No,

732
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,640
I did.
>> This is for 2027.

733
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,640
» That's correct.
>> Yeah.

734
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,240
» 2027.

735
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,079
» Okay.

736
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:38,839
They have to prove it and I have
to ask

737
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,839
you

738
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:48,640
» uh nonuniform pension and then
>> the same thing the yearly worksheet that

739
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,839
» and then we have to start our dates then
too.

740
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:55,280
» Yeah, I don't have any questions on it.
Next, we have a request from Billsburg's

741
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:59,839
area soccer club to use the portable
lighting um from 5 to 8 Monday through

742
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:05,200
Friday, Friday starting September 14th
through November 30th. Um this is a

743
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:08,880
yearly request and I don't think we've
ever had any issues with it. We'll just

744
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:12,240
put on the agenda next week and someone
has questions. Go ahead.

745
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:15,280
» Yeah. So, this is kind of twofold. Um
this year would be for the lights. So,

746
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:20,799
they're still looking at that, but they
also approached the township at doing um

747
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:25,839
permanent lighting there. So that's why
the gentlemen are here tonight to

748
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:29,839
describe a little bit of that. Um, and
you know, I'd let them go, but they're

749
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,240
working on a proposal uh for some more
permanent lights. So they're not pulling

750
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,640
these in.
>> Um, and that would be, you know, in my

751
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:40,400
opinion, a benefit for the township, but
there's some things they would have to

752
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:45,359
go along with that if they're taking on
that project. So my name is Shane

753
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:52,559
Macintosh. I'm president of Billsburg
Area Soccer Club. uh Daryl Stlair who is

754
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:58,480
our fields director. And on top of the
um the remote lighting fixtures that we

755
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:03,680
use annually to help facilitate soccer
practices for kids in our community, um

756
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:09,200
we've come across an opportunity to
implement a capital improvement to

757
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:12,799
Chestnut. Um, this would include a
series of lights that would be

758
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:19,200
permanently fixed to the ground and
provide a more permanent um, ability for

759
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:27,200
us to provide that soccer to kids in the
evenings. Um, the capital to make this

760
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:31,760
improvement is rather significant. Um,
the maintenance of said lights we would

761
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:36,720
be looking to take responsibility of.
Um, and in return for that investment in

762
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:41,599
the community, we were hoping to have
some guarantees of of use of the fields

763
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:47,760
for our kids that play soccer. Um, and
so we were looking for

764
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:52,319
both the some advice from the solicitor
um, and any sort of guidance that you

765
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:57,760
would have as a board of supervisors to
our organization to implement this in

766
01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:03,200
such a way that is agreeable to you. um
a huge benefit to the community but also

767
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:09,680
an important resource to build soccer
club to implement our soccer programs.

768
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:13,760
» Yeah. So Mr. Solicer in this case is
there a type of like possible lease

769
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,440
agreement or how would we handle it? I
just want to ensure that you know next

770
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,160
year we say oh it's all lacrosse and
there's soccer next year you know the

771
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,079
year after they put these lines.
>> Yeah. Um well first of all we have to

772
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,760
look at your policy. I mean, I don't
know what your is your park policy first

773
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:30,559
come first serve.
>> Mhm.

774
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:34,079
» Or how does that work or how's that and
and who schedules it?

775
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:38,319
» Yeah, it's scheduled through Jessica
here. They put in requests every year.

776
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:43,680
Um so yeah, it's kind of a first come
first serve. Now, um other organizations

777
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,760
come in later and you use it, they
coordinate with the primary user of the

778
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:51,039
field. Yeah, I mean I think we could do
a donation agreement and it would have

779
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,400
to have some language too that you know
if you're doing the work you're going to

780
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,920
have a contractor licensed contractor
who's doing it they're bonded because

781
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,240
they start the work and walk off the
site

782
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:04,720
» and we're stuck with it and we got to
finish it because you don't want to have

783
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:10,960
half done project. So there are ways to
do that and it may be over a period of

784
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:14,640
time or kind of amvertises out the price
of the you know improvements because we

785
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:19,440
don't want to give it to you forever
either or if you go away you know things

786
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:22,640
like that. So um there are certainly
things we can talk about and get in

787
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:27,200
place. I've done that and
>> I usually do it more for schools and

788
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:31,440
municipalities. you see that more with
where people putting lights on fields

789
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:35,599
and turf stadiums and things like that,
but you know, it's for usually the the

790
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:39,440
program at the schools. So, certainly
something we can work through.

791
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:42,559
» Um, if you guys have some ideas and your
you know, what your spend your spend is

792
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:46,640
and so on and so forth.
>> Brandon, who who reserves the field?

793
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,760
» Reserves as in
>> who who says, "Okay, hey, we want to use

794
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:54,079
a field
>> organizations." So, they'll submit

795
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:58,079
letters to us um you know, for the next
year's use.

796
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:03,280
Um, and I think, you know, the main
question here is, is the board number

797
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:07,680
one receptive of the idea? We can iron
out all the legal agreements and the

798
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:12,000
details later on. So, if everyone was,
you know, yay or nay, I think that's

799
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:18,160
what they're looking for from the board
a feeling as to whether or how they're

800
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:22,720
going to proceed with their project.
>> Did anybody checking the the insurance

801
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:26,079
liability as far as having lights up
there? Right now, it's shown that

802
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,920
there's no light. So,
>> it would probably increase our insurance

803
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,580
cost because it could be occupied a lot
much longer. But, I don't I wouldn't

804
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:37,920
expect that that's a huge deal.
[clears throat] Um,

805
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:41,520
most of school districts I work with who
have school have lights don't I mean,

806
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:45,599
» they just add lights and they're
insured. So, it's not a horrible

807
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,880
expense. On top of that,
>> yeah, I'm an insurance agent. I

808
01:06:47,336 --> 01:06:53,280
[laughter] don't think the time frame in
which uh you'd be increasing the

809
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:58,720
exposure of use of the fields would
really uh create a significant cost to

810
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:05,680
the community or to the board I should
say. Um for that matter we drafted a

811
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:10,960
very rough lease to just try to start
the process of what we were thinking

812
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:18,319
about. And in that draft, we included a
sort of um you know, hold harmless for

813
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:22,720
the community. So that whatever
maintenance requirements and

814
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:27,440
responsibilities we had, whatever uh
responsibility we had for allowing folks

815
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:32,559
to use those lights would be on the club
and we would incur the cost of whatever

816
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:35,520
that insurance increase would be. And in
the building like the I mean I don't

817
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:39,680
know how much electric they're going to
use but I'm pretty sure they're going to

818
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:44,240
use a lot of electric
>> that I don't know. I don't have a type

819
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:47,839
of lights you put in
LED.

820
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:51,119
» Okay. And then are you doing both
fields? The upper and the lower.

821
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:56,240
» Just the upper.
>> Just one field to begin with. Okay.

822
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,599
» The lower.
>> Okay. So the one the one down on the

823
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,000
bottom level.
>> Correct.

824
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,440
» Okay. Okay. What is you don't have to
share that if you don't want to but what

825
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:09,440
is the cost but the to do lights have
you already received a quote

826
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:13,440
» yeah so we received a quote from J Ka
licensed contractor who's willing to

827
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:18,159
partner with the organization we've
received three different quotes for

828
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:22,239
different levels of lighting uh they
start they range anywhere from 40 grand

829
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:25,120
to 110 grand
>> okay for the one [clears throat] field

830
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:28,080
» for the one field
>> right okay

831
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:31,759
» and with that if the tenure could go
with that we would amend our part rules

832
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:34,640
by where We have an ordinance for the
parks that would dictate that the

833
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,679
lights,
>> right?

834
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:40,480
» Yeah.
>> There would have [clears throat] to be

835
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:47,279
some provision on the ownership of the
lights should the association dissolve.

836
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:50,799
» You know, so
on to the

837
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:57,040
» parking lot's not light. Will the lights
be bright enough to provide safety from

838
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:01,600
the field to the parking lot?
>> That's a great question. I think our

839
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:07,040
main focus has been to reduce or limit
the amount of light pollution so as not

840
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:12,960
to harm the experience of folks who live
nearby. But um if there was some sort of

841
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,640
» But isn't there a call there from that
field to be pretty good and get to the

842
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:21,600
parking lot?
>> There is a call right there. Correct.

843
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:23,839
» We are playing in the dark now with
temporary lights.

844
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:27,440
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I do believe that that

845
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:32,199
depending on where the light's at that
will open up the light to that parking

846
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:32,199
lot.

847
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:42,159
» So are you is Kuba are they working with
with some of the light guys who like

848
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:46,080
have it directed and so it's shielded so
it's just on the field and not spilling

849
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:52,239
out. I assume you're doing that because
that's what all the schools do. Yeah.

850
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:56,800
Yeah. He's uh Jay Ka is working with his
lighting engineers who provide the

851
01:09:54,080 --> 01:10:00,560
service to school system.
>> Yeah. And there would still and I I

852
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:04,159
spoke with these gentlemen about it. I
mean there still be a zoning permit and

853
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:08,640
we'd review the photoometric plan to
make sure there's no trespassing light

854
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:11,120
on the you know adjacent properties.
>> Yeah. Because whether there is or not

855
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:15,040
someone will say there is.
>> Oh yeah.

856
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,280
That's what I'm wondering because if
you're on the lower level, you're

857
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,760
actually closer
>> right

858
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:23,280
» to I mean those houses are a little bit
right there, but if you're in the upper,

859
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:26,320
it's kind there's that little bit of a
>> there are houses back there, but there's

860
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,159
a tree line that kind of
>> Yeah.

861
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:32,239
» Yeah.
>> So, you're looking at next week

862
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:36,880
basically an approval to use the
temporary lights and then the permit

863
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,280
structure just a different it'll be a
different topic at different time once

864
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:43,199
the review.
>> Correct. Okay. And and that would

865
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:48,560
include the conduit running the lines
and everything for electric.

866
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:51,920
» Uh yeah, that would include full sight
fit.

867
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:57,920
» Yeah.
>> Um we I guess the only other question we

868
01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:03,920
would have is is what what all would you
need from us to bring uh bring us to the

869
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:09,040
board for a formal vote? Presuming we
need to work with you, David, in some

870
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:12,960
capacity. Yeah, I I think you just put
together kind of a bar like what you

871
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:16,880
want like what your terms are so to
speak and we can work through that. It's

872
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:20,800
not yet and then the pricing and
whatever you need. Um yeah, I just want

873
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:25,840
to make sure that we're covered on the
back end in case something happens or

874
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:30,719
they're very reputable contractor. I'm
familiar with them and you know I guess

875
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:36,320
you have the money raised or you have
pledges for the money or what what's

876
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:42,080
» yeah we we have the money in our
reserves to handle our portion of the

877
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:47,560
contribution in this case Jeff call that
is providing his own

878
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,560
» um

879
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:52,800
» contribution
[clears throat]

880
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:58,080
» yeah so our sol goes through that and he
would then provide um advisory to the

881
01:11:55,199 --> 01:12:01,520
forward on on that then it would go up
to a vote.

882
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:06,239
» Yeah. So the whatever agreement you put
the terms on and a photo plan we have

883
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:10,440
something that tie the agreement too.
>> Right.

884
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,440
» Okay.

885
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,040
You said

886
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:21,280
anything to me and I can get it and the
permit from the contractor would follow.

887
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:25,440
» Yeah. after board approval and then get
a permit into the township for the

888
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,120
actual electrical purpose.
>> And were you looking to have this done

889
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:33,920
for this year or is this a 2027?
>> Um, we wouldn't be interested in

890
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:39,679
breaking ground on a project like this
until after our annual tournament. So

891
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:45,760
that would put us into late October. And
I'm not even so sure the

892
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:51,840
» comfortable starting the project then.
So I don't know exactly.

893
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:56,360
But um
>> yeah talking about an ex.

894
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,600
So
>> yeah in the meantime you have the

895
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:05,199
temporary
>> you've been great. Thank you so much.

896
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:08,960
Congratulations on your achievements.
Thank you for your service.

897
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:12,120
» Good. Yep.
>> Thank you.

898
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:18,920
Okay.
>> Update on the proposed northern New York

899
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:18,920
County Fire Rescue agreements.

900
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:27,199
There still needs to be work done on
that. Okay. All right. Um and then

901
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:30,239
resolution number 202619 of the board of
supervisors Carol Town of York County,

902
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:35,199
Pennsylvania providing for the
supplemental appropriations

903
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:40,159
on the budget to add 64,000 on light
item

904
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:43,040
500. Oh, you're still working on that as
well?

905
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:48,760
» Yeah, I think we tabled that pending.
>> Okay. table accepting of the table.

906
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:55,440
» Okay. And then the Logan Park, I know
that you did send an email out for us to

907
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,159
be able to meet with them. I know we
haven't heard back from them yet. I just

908
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,800
checked.
>> Yeah, I I haven't heard anything back on

909
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,840
that yet.
>> Okay. So, hopefully that's coming up

910
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:10,320
soon.
>> Yeah. Okay. And then let's see. The 457

911
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:14,400
plan, Langen Group Financial needs an
agreement signed because they changed

912
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:16,719
their name. So, it's just a name name
change on that.

913
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:23,360
» Correct.
>> Okay.

914
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:27,600
» On both of those, um, Libby and Brandon,
if they look at the difference in the

915
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,480
agreement, I saw the agreement, but
>> you know, they're saying it's just a

916
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:34,320
name change, but I've been there before
with contract name changes that they

917
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:36,480
[clears throat] give you the agreement.
They say, "Well, it's just a name

918
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,880
change." and they actually did change
something in agreements. I would highly

919
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,199
recommend
>> take a look at that

920
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,960
» both agreements. I mean, you could run
it through AI.

921
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:47,440
» Okay.
>> And u if you want help, I can do that

922
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:51,120
for you. Um just to see what the
difference is between the agreement with

923
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:56,199
the old name and the agreement with the
new name to see if there's anything in

924
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,199
there just to protect us.

925
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:04,520
» That was on there twice. Oh, that's for
both the uniform and unifor. Okay,

926
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,520
perfect.

927
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:13,280
So 12 and 13 actually or 20 22 and 23
actually have go [clears throat] hand in

928
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:18,640
hand. Okay. Um let's see and then we
have to set our budget work session

929
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:24,320
meetings for October. So um Brandon and
Fay had given us some possibilities

930
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:29,280
here. Um we usually need two but don't
we usually schedule three just in case?

931
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:33,760
» We should put three in. If we don't need
three then at least

932
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:39,840
» take it out. Okay. So try and figure out
get some availability from Frank

933
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:44,080
um and in availability. So I'd be
looking at the 6th or 7th of October for

934
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:48,000
the first one.
>> Is there any reason that this has to be

935
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:52,800
done in October? Is there any reason we
can't start working on it in September?

936
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:57,600
» Well, I don't have all the figures. I
don't have the insurance figures yet.

937
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:03,280
the insurance is going to cost and we
don't have the unemployment

938
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:08,719
um PAX unemployment rate if it's going
to stay the way it is or if that's going

939
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:13,679
to go higher usually by the the middle
to the end of September when we have all

940
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:21,199
that information
>> because I'm I'm going to be out of town

941
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:25,280
the second half of October. So,
what date you what day are you starting?

942
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:32,800
17th.
What date are you leaving? 13th. 13th.

943
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:38,480
» And are you going to be back in October?
No. Okay. We only need what? Two people,

944
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,320
right? We only need two supervisors.
>> Three.

945
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:44,000
» Okay.
>> Three, right?

946
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:50,719
I mean, [clears throat] I would suggest,
you know, if um Libby um Dave and Brent,

947
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:53,280
if you could email Brandon the dates
you're not available.

948
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:56,480
» Mhm.
>> I mean, I figure that's why I emailed to

949
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,080
Brandon. That way, he can kind of look
at all of it and then he can come up.

950
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:04,320
Okay, here are the dates, guys, that
we've got at least three or more. I can

951
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:09,679
make the budget meeting.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, if everybody gets their

952
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:15,199
availility to me, I'll just compile them
and we can set the date next week, too,

953
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:21,520
because Brad will be back.
>> And while I'm out of town, I I still can

954
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,960
I could participate via Zoom or phone.
That's correct.

955
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:29,600
» Yeah.
>> Um because I would like to to stay in

956
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:34,800
touch with this process.
>> So, as of right now, I think the seventh

957
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:37,800
is good. the the first one. That's
right.

958
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:50,320
» So, so yeah, maybe the 7th. Uh, everyone
here, I would see. So, maybe that would

959
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:53,199
be the first day we can lock in here.
>> Um,

960
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:58,120
» yeah. And then what else do we have?
13th or the 15th? You're leaving on the

961
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,120
13th?

962
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:07,199
So the 14th we have a meeting here a
mining history meeting. So the 14th

963
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:12,120
south it would be the 15th would be the
only other [snorts] open date in that

964
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,120
week

965
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:24,880
» and being hopeful if we do some fairly
long u

966
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:28,719
we can talk about you know some certain
things beforehand if there's questions

967
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,560
we can iron some stuff out before these
meetings and then when we get in here if

968
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,000
we have two long nights I hopeful we can
get it done in two.

969
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:41,120
» Yeah.
>> Um but we should plan on three. But um

970
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:45,480
I'll get with a friend and we'll we'll
see what the other dates are.

971
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,480
» Okay.

972
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,320
» I should be good for

973
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,320
» Okay.

974
01:18:56,719 --> 01:19:03,159
Stony Stony Run Village subdivision plan
set agreement.

975
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:08,560
Um,
so this was sort of discussed in

976
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:14,239
executive session. Um, we have a draft
settlement agreement to settle settle

977
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:18,640
the uh the commonwealth court and that
would revol revi require a revised land

978
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:23,520
development plan to be submitted. Excuse
me for one second. Chief, you hold up

979
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:27,040
before you left. I didn't know he was
going to leave. Um, I did want to at

980
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:32,640
least publicly
um thank uh the chief uh the police

981
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:38,280
department um nor the York Fire and
Rescue for all the time, effort that you

982
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:42,719
guys put into that accident on 15. Um
[clears throat] that was a pretty

983
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:46,400
horrific accident. Um 14 people injured,
critically injured, uh being

984
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:53,120
lifellighted. Um five different
hospitals. Um, you know, I commend your

985
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:56,080
team, your staff, you know, the um
dedication that they [clears throat] had

986
01:19:54,320 --> 01:20:01,199
in that accident and the continued
investigation as well as uh York Fire

987
01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:05,679
and Rescue for all their time that they
spent on that accident and trying to get

988
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:10,159
it safety done first, you know, clean up
done second, and getting the road back

989
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:16,320
open. So, thank you to you and your crew
and Northern Regional The on uh Northern

990
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:21,040
York. Um, I really do appreciate what
you guys did for for our residents and

991
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,600
the people on Route 15 that involved in
that accident. Thank you.

992
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:26,080
» Thank you. I appreciate that. It really
was it was bad. It was horrific. So,

993
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:28,800
» yeah,
>> appreciate that.

994
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:30,719
» Okay. [clears throat] Sorry, Dave.
>> Okay, no problem.

995
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:34,159
» Want to get that.
>> So, so again, a proposed settlement

996
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:39,760
agreement for the Commonwealth Court
appeal on the Stony Run Village

997
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:44,159
subdivision plan uh project. Um, it
require it requires a revised land

998
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:49,520
development plan to come in. in general
remove the um the emergency access onto

999
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:54,480
Hartman Lane. So Hartman Lane would no
longer be accessed from this development

1000
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:58,080
in any way. Um it would have uh the
streets of this proposed development

1001
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:03,280
being offered for dedication as pri as
as public streets and the developer

1002
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:07,040
would essentially wave any and all
claims with regard to the denial of the

1003
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:11,679
plan in the first place which there's
some some potential risks and

1004
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:18,719
liabilities uh in the decision when the
decision is drafted um in their favor

1005
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:24,480
and it would really have minimum uh cost
implications to the township.

1006
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:28,000
So, um, we discussed that. There's a red
line that the the, uh, developers put in

1007
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:31,679
front of us. We discussed that this
evening, executive session. I'm going to

1008
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:35,840
run that back by them and and make sure
that that's okay. Um, Brandon's reviewed

1009
01:21:34,239 --> 01:21:38,719
the revised land development plan. Got
back to them with comments as well. So,

1010
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:45,199
that will be on the agenda for next
month's meeting or next week's meeting.

1011
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:49,600
» See? Okay. So, uh, the next is set
public hearing for proposed ordinance

1012
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:53,760
number 2026 258.
>> Yes. So, this is the one that

1013
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:58,080
» the ordinance for the overall ordinance
changes.

1014
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:02,719
» So, um I would propose we would set that
for October 12th prior to our meeting at

1015
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:07,760
5:30.
>> So, October 12th.

1016
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:13,679
» Um are we off that day? That's
deciduous people's day.

1017
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:18,199
» We're here.
We don't have problems.

1018
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:18,199
» Yeah, we're we're here.

1019
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:25,360
» Trying to be politically correct.
>> So, we said that then we would advertise

1020
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,120
» 5:30.
>> Yeah. 5:30.

1021
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,080
» Okay.
>> So, you said October 12th

1022
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:33,360
» at 5:30.
>> Yes.

1023
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:36,360
» That's the public hearing.
>> Y

1024
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,520
made the motion.
>> Correct. Yeah. Just want to make sure

1025
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:47,199
they preemptively get it in the
calendar.

1026
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:50,639
» Determined if we can switch the next I
think we have uh our last two folks in

1027
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:54,239
here from 291.
>> Which one? What? 20

1028
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:57,920
» 291 Campground Road.
>> Okay. Yep. Okay. Yep. The 291 campground

1029
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,639
roading tank.
>> Correct.

1030
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:04,120
» That's doing the fee, right? That Oh,
there's the check.

1031
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:09,520
» Uh so I had sent everyone an email. I
just wanted to thank you for giving that

1032
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,920
to me and helping me
>> push the green button and then say your

1033
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:17,280
address.
>> Oh. Uh 291 Campground Road in Gillsburg.

1034
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:21,040
Um I wanted to thank you guys for
helping me figure out this process. Uh

1035
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:26,480
it's been a little frustrating with the
SEO not understanding what we needed to

1036
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:28,480
get done. Um but Brandon especially has
been very helpful.

1037
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:34,560
» Oh, Brandon. Awesome.
>> So, so a little background. Um this lot

1038
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:38,080
is very small. Um it's part of you know
the mountainside colony. uh they're very

1039
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:42,080
small. There's not enough room for a
conventional system or any kind of

1040
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:45,760
sandbank. So, uh in talking with the
SEO, there's no other option other than

1041
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:51,679
a holding tank. We do have an ordinance
that kind of prohibits them. Uh but if

1042
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:55,520
there's circumstances that would, you
know, be conducive to this and they the

1043
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:59,199
applicant would provide us with all the
stuff which the check here completes

1044
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:03,520
everything. I did receive everything
from these folks regarding this. I was

1045
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:06,560
wondering why it was on the agenda and I
was wondering if it was for that reason

1046
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:10,719
because we don't have the ordinance for
we won't allow holding tanks. Correct.

1047
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,679
But I mean have have we had instances
like this before? We have a holding tank

1048
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:17,760
within township granted.
>> We did. The most recent one was for

1049
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:21,360
Wickcom. I think it was like 2018. He
had a temporary one for an office

1050
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:25,199
building there and he followed the same
procedure.

1051
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:29,280
» Do we escrow any money to ensure that it
does get moved or pumped?

1052
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:35,120
» $4,000. Uh there's an escrow and that
guarantees us 9 months of pumping. Okay.

1053
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:40,159
Do a legal process if you know that was
in the process. Okay.

1054
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:43,840
» If he would sell um a transfer would
post that that money.

1055
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:46,480
» Got it. Okay. Thank you. [clears throat]
>> Thank you. Thank you very much.

1056
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:51,360
» Thank you.
>> And then 187 Stony Road. That's same

1057
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:53,360
thing. That's the same.
>> Yeah. So

1058
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:56,320
» I just wish
>> they're not here today. It's the same

1059
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:01,280
thing. There's still a couple items
outstanding. Hopefully I get by next

1060
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:06,000
week. Um or we can talk about a
conditional approval. They don't have

1061
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:09,520
everything to me by that point. That's
the same same thing. A small lot.

1062
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:13,520
There's a lot of wetlands on the lot, so
it's unable to park correctly. It's a

1063
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:16,320
little larger lot than this, but it's
still not to the size to get a system in

1064
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,560
there.
>> They pay monthly.

1065
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:24,159
» Yeah, this would be well monthly or as
needed. You know, once it reaches

1066
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:30,400
certain level, then it would I think
there's in the design there's a bring in

1067
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:35,600
our alarm
light and stuff that triggers the fire.

1068
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:41,679
I think it's at 75% capacity.
>> Okay. Um, one other thing on the on this

1069
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:45,760
situation on both of them and I both of
them are on small lots. Is that correct?

1070
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,639
» Yes.
>> And they can't put a system on that. But

1071
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:54,639
um
I I [clears throat] know in the past

1072
01:25:52,320 --> 01:26:01,840
there there's been situations like that
and there were u

1073
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:07,280
uh I mean I'd say adjustments and let
them put on some kind of training field.

1074
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:12,400
It may not be up to snuff but as long as
it's working but there is not up to

1075
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:17,679
snuff when it involves these and D. you
can't do something that you either do

1076
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:23,840
meet the requirements of B and we're in
or act 537 or you do not. So in talking

1077
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:27,679
with the SEO, there's no repairs that
can be done to these systems to make

1078
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:34,480
them make compliance.
>> Okay. I I was just looking for another

1079
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:37,760
way to make this work because these guys
aren't fighting this. Um you know,

1080
01:26:36,239 --> 01:26:41,040
they're going through the procedures. So
>> do you know anybody who's got a holding

1081
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:44,320
tank?
Betty Lau.

1082
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:48,000
» No, that's an experimental and it's a
small floating treatment.

1083
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:54,880
» No, not Betty Lard up in the mountain.
>> Oh, the cow was there. Yeah. So, there

1084
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:59,600
is another one adjacent to the one
the cost to maintain one of those

1085
01:26:56,639 --> 01:27:04,159
things. You could put in a sand mount
with no problem. I mean, it's very

1086
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:07,920
expensive.
>> Yes, it's a concrete pack, but there's

1087
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:13,120
no maintenance really.
>> Well, no, I'm talking about getting

1088
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:16,880
pumped The the problem is is there's no
requirements that they can be met for

1089
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:22,560
the sand mount on the pro property is
what they're said what's being said.

1090
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:30,639
» Yeah. There's no system feasibly that
can go into these lots and and work.

1091
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:35,040
» Uh you know I know I knew that years
back they made

1092
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:41,280
adjustments to try to get something in
and I know some of these systems are

1093
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:44,719
still working. That's why, you know,
Steve, the problem is is that every

1094
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,080
every that goes on, storm water and
sanitary requirements get harder and

1095
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:52,239
harder to meet and stricter and
stricter. So, D said at one time may

1096
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:57,280
have said yes, but they no longer say
yes to those sort of situations.

1097
01:27:54,400 --> 01:28:01,679
» And we do have an SEO who's listener.
It's one of our professionals that we

1098
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:07,360
entrust to
he's stating that there is no other

1099
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:11,520
option in his opinion for these laws.
Uh, It's a shame.

1100
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:15,040
» Um, [clears throat] so we have the next
we have is basic EOP, the emergency

1101
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:18,400
operations plan. We just have to do the
re reapproval for that.

1102
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:19,920
» Yeah, that's every uh two years I
believe.

1103
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,080
» Yes.
>> It's just the same plan, just a

1104
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,639
reapproval.
>> That is correct. Okay. Okay.

1105
01:28:23,595 --> 01:28:29,840
[clears throat]
Next we have resolution number 202624

1106
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:33,840
for the board of supervisors authorizing
sign of local share account category for

1107
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:38,239
facilities program in the amount of
$156,69

1108
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:43,360
from the commonwealth financial
authority to be used to purchase the

1109
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:49,600
Massie Ferguson mowing tractor.
>> Yeah. So so I became aware that the LSA

1110
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:55,520
they can potentially fund equipment uh
through the LSA category 4. Um, so the

1111
01:28:53,199 --> 01:29:00,000
deadline's the end of September here. I
got this ready to go borrowing

1112
01:28:57,199 --> 01:29:03,600
signature. The only thing with this I
was going to put in for the small

1113
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:07,920
tractor in the regular budget next year.
In the meantime, uh, I figured we'd

1114
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:12,639
throw a grant application at this and
see what happens.

1115
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:16,320
The only weird thing with this is the
award is generally September the

1116
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:19,600
following year.
>> Okay.

1117
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:24,639
» So, you might may not know until then. I
spoke with the coast of DC

1118
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:29,440
for more complex projects that's pushed
out to September. They want to give me a

1119
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:36,719
date basically. We can go maybe mid year
around mid year for something simple as

1120
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:42,800
a oneoff one buy. Um so either way I
would still budget this as a expenditure

1121
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:47,440
not as anything getting as a revenue for
this. So it is a grant that you're

1122
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:51,760
applying for through
>> yeah it's a no match grant so it would

1123
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:57,262
be fully funded if it is awarded.
>> So budget the expense because you need

1124
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:59,282
it anyway but it's not a grant. Okay
[clears throat]

1125
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:06,719
» it it's still here. Um we're putting a
lot of money into it most of our budget

1126
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:12,239
for our whole fleet. Uh we've had
transmission problems. Uh the mower the

1127
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:18,000
side mount mowers uh we had to get a
whole new frame for it because just the

1128
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:23,280
stress of that thing over six 18 years
uh you know up and down it gets we have

1129
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:27,040
a lot of stretch fractures in in the
metal. We've had it repaired numerous

1130
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:30,159
times. So it's just starting to nickle
and

1131
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:33,280
they'll go for auction.
>> Yeah, we put it out on municip I

1132
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:39,520
believe.
>> Um we do have a loader for it. So, um I

1133
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:44,560
talked with the guy uh from Stevenson or
from Stevenson Equipment. They said

1134
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:48,480
35,000 uh is what they probably give for
it that they get back. So, I'm thinking

1135
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:53,360
this we would get even more than that
for it. It is in decent looking shape.

1136
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:59,040
Uh now if somebody's using it as a
roadside mower, it's, you know, it's

1137
01:30:55,199 --> 01:31:03,440
it's going to be um need maintenance,
but if somebody's using it occasionally,

1138
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:08,800
a homeowner or somebody might be a
perfect.

1139
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:15,920
» Okay.
Uh then we have 31 August 3rd for

1140
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:20,239
supervisor event minutes. Then we have
August 10th order supervisor minutes.

1141
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:26,560
And then our zoning report. Brandon,
there's no report.

1142
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:30,159
» Any addition items to be discussed?
>> You knew?

1143
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:36,159
» Yes, I did.
>> Okay. I'm glad you're sitting down.

1144
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:40,800
We're in record time here. 30 33 items.
>> We're doing good.

1145
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:45,000
I won't run it too long.
>> I'm glad you're sitting down, Brand.

1146
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:55,199
um these [clears throat]
uh flowering pear trees that we got in

1147
01:31:52,719 --> 01:32:04,000
the township.
Um the there's a a good bit of stony or

1148
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:05,760
not stony. Um
um

1149
01:32:05,643 --> 01:32:08,239
[clears throat]
>> are you talking about the Bradford

1150
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,560
pairs?
>> I I thought they were called flowering

1151
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,880
pairs.
>> Bradford

1152
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:21,840
Bradford. Okay. The ones that are out.
Yeah, the invasive ones. Yeah.

1153
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:29,440
» Um I I was over at Sandra.
She had uh her trees cut down and u I

1154
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:35,120
was [clears throat] uh looking at what
they did

1155
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:43,360
and where the the flowering or the pear
tree where the pear tree is and I can

1156
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:49,520
see why they outlot them and that is the
the tan bark around the tree.

1157
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:55,679
There's things coming out about like my
finger about this high

1158
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:58,000
» and they got leaves on it.
>> It looks like a hedge coming

1159
01:32:57,389 --> 01:33:04,239
[clears throat]
>> and it looks like it would grow a hedge

1160
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:09,360
clean around the tree. tree was cut down
and all the other trees cut down. And I

1161
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:15,440
happened to look at that one along with
the other ones and there's something

1162
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:20,880
like sap coming out of the trunk of the
tree sealing off the top. This thing's

1163
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:26,159
trying to trying to keep living and
running these stems up.

1164
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:31,440
And then when I left, I I went up the
hill past Sanders

1165
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:37,920
and turned to the right and came around
to to loop around to go home. And up

1166
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:39,600
there, I see them this high coming out
of the can.

1167
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:43,360
» Mhm.
>> These things got to go. These things are

1168
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:48,080
like bamboo.
You everyone in the township should be

1169
01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:51,920
torn out right away as fast as they can
get it cuz this is going to be a

1170
01:33:50,445 --> 01:33:54,400
[clears throat] mess. Those are called
suckers, Dave.

1171
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:57,120
» Well, I know they're suckers, but
they're going to be trees.

1172
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:00,159
» I had I had to pull mine out with a
tractor.

1173
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:02,880
» Yeah, we we cut them down regularly.
>> Yeah.

1174
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:06,080
» Yeah. I I think we should get on it
somehow.

1175
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:10,440
» I did replace it with another tree.
>> What do you What do you mean by get on

1176
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,440
it?

1177
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:20,719
» We can't Mandy that people remove those
trees. Well, I don't know how to

1178
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:26,239
homeowner, you know, to do anything
about this.

1179
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:28,719
» Replace mine.
>> The next thing they'll say is you're

1180
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:32,239
going to pay to replace mine.
>> Mhm.

1181
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:36,159
» Well, I I don't know what to say that
they're out of hand and it's going to

1182
01:34:34,985 --> 01:34:40,960
[clears throat] be a big problem down
the road depending on

1183
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:45,840
» it. All Bradford cars
as far as I can see. You got a couple

1184
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:48,639
there's there's other other specimens
that do that as well.

1185
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:52,880
» We have them out from here and every
year we had the suckers and we put some

1186
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:56,400
spray on the ground and it ends up for a
year. I mean it's it's just part of

1187
01:34:54,880 --> 01:35:00,000
having those trees. I mean it's it's
amazing. If you don't maintain it it's

1188
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:03,679
going to look like that, Dave. I mean
that's just the way those trees are.

1189
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:09,199
» So they should have come off of the
preferred tree list before they did if

1190
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:13,440
they've been taken off yet. But
>> but they were part of the preferred

1191
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,840
trees that were listed in the ordinance
>> for too.

1192
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:19,440
» Yeah.
>> Well, but they were on the but they were

1193
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:22,320
on the ordinance as a they were in the
preferred tree

1194
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:27,840
» at that time. They they weren't by the
state, you know, the extension. They

1195
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:34,159
weren't all in any invasive list. Well,
they were on the invasive list before

1196
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:37,159
they came off the ordinance, but
>> it's

1197
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:43,360
Yeah, I mean,
>> they're there. So, I mean,

1198
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:48,880
» these these things are going to, you
know, the mile a minute stuff.

1199
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:53,120
» These are worse than that by
>> It comes down to to maintenance. We have

1200
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:56,880
them here. We maintain them. It's not a
problem. I mean, if they do that every

1201
01:35:54,960 --> 01:36:00,080
year, you maintain them now. people
under control. That's, you know, it's

1202
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:03,360
» Can [clears throat] I get a motion to
adjourn?

1203
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:05,520
» You might get I get something else.
>> Okay.

1204
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:08,051
» You think you're getting it all easy?
>> Yes. [laughter]

1205
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:16,880
» Uh
I uh like I said before, I was over at

1206
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:23,679
Woods Road for 9 days. I ran into a girl
that I know that did the ice cream and

1207
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:30,560
I' I'm a member there for 30 years, so
I've known her a long time. and didn't

1208
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:35,360
really know her name or anything. I just
>> No, her name's Haley.

1209
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:38,639
» Um
I I was talking to her and I said, "How

1210
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:44,320
come you're here at the ice cream stand
at 5:00?" She said, "I got two jobs I go

1211
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:47,679
to and plus this." And I said, "Why?"
She said, "Because of paying her college

1212
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:53,520
tuition."
>> Okay. So, I got to talk to her and I

1213
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:58,480
found out that she went to college to be
an engineer

1214
01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:04,080
and she's the kind of engineer
um uh like you have in a township.

1215
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:09,199
And I got talking with her a little bit,
but she says she doesn't do that kind of

1216
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:18,159
work. She works for Penoni.
And um what she does is she works

1217
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:26,000
uh for them, but she gets paid by Pendot
and she's paid to uh do research on

1218
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:30,527
roads in townships. It doesn't cost the
township anything.

1219
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:34,560
She she does stuff like uh
[clears throat] checking how much

1220
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:40,960
traffic there is and and uh whether the
road is needed or whatever and if it if

1221
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:47,360
it's a road that isn't there
uh she can recommend to pend on to put

1222
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:53,440
you know to put it on the list to put a
road there. So these roads that we need

1223
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:59,199
for interchanges, which are going to go
up in smoke here within the next 5

1224
01:37:55,600 --> 01:38:07,360
years, if we can get them to come in for
free and lay out these roads that we

1225
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:11,520
need so that nobody builds on them, so
we got them when we need them in, you

1226
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:14,719
know, 5 years. We need interchanges.
>> No offense, D. Didn't we just do a

1227
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:18,719
comprehensive plan?
>> Yeah, but guess what? This this puts

1228
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:22,400
clout in it.
>> Can she come in and give us a

1229
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:26,080
presentation on what she can offer the
township?

1230
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:33,679
» I Yes, I could get her in. I was just,
you know, one other thing with u uh me

1231
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:39,303
and ye blue.
Uh you know, because her outfit is very

1232
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:42,480
similar to this to the Benoni.
[clears throat]

1233
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:47,520
Maybe we should have one of her people.
I don't know.

1234
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:53,119
Um, I know that um that uh this girl's
name is Haley Chavik

1235
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:59,280
and uh she that's what she does and I
can find out but I don't know if uh uh

1236
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:03,040
and you have to see the scope of what
what that is because yes there's

1237
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:09,433
companies that do traffic studies as far
as traffic counts and stuff. It's not

1238
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:12,880
designing roads and and doing studies.
>> [clears throat]

1239
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:16,960
» I'd like to, you know, see what the
specifics are because I don't think

1240
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:21,360
they'd come in and design a route 15
bypass and look at it. They're not doing

1241
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:25,440
traffic counts, you know, intersection,
uh, crash data reports, stuff like that.

1242
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:32,880
I know, you know, that type of stuff.
Well, the like for um the drawings that

1243
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:36,639
we have in our comp plan, she she could
look at this stuff, look where the roads

1244
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:42,080
go, figure that's the best way or
another know the roots better or

1245
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:45,440
whatever it is and then recommend
hear from her if that's what she can do

1246
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:49,520
because we don't really know what she
can do.

1247
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:54,000
We met with PennDOT right after they had
the whole presentation about Route 15

1248
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:57,280
resurfacing and and redoing in the next
couple coming up the next couple years.

1249
01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:02,080
And all three of those interchanges that
are in the comp plan are have been and

1250
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:07,679
are in front of not only the PENDOT but
your county uh planning commission.

1251
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:12,239
Okay. And uh that's been vetted and not
really approved, quasi approved, but um

1252
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:16,159
it's already been down the pipe long
enough to where the York County Planning

1253
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:21,040
Commission representative basically is
telling us that you we are so far ahead

1254
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:25,679
of having those projects in the pipeline
to be able to get uh approved by PENDOT.

1255
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:31,040
Okay.
>> So um this might get us the approval.

1256
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:34,880
That wouldn't it would it would have to
if it if she did came up with some other

1257
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:39,840
idea it would be at the very bottom of
the list of projects which would be

1258
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:42,960
probably 20 plus years out
>> and they're not going to require the

1259
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:47,440
rightway until they're ready to fund the
project which

1260
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:51,679
» that doesn't help us on
>> no matter what is going to say what's

1261
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:55,760
going to happen with the interchange
nobody else no consultant not even our

1262
01:40:54,080 --> 01:41:01,439
county planning commission it'll be
pendot that makes the final approval

1263
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:04,480
present to present something.
[clears throat]

1264
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:09,360
» I see the way I understand it, the roads
we got now, there's going to be a

1265
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:14,239
development going across one of them.
>> When those roads are gone in 5 years,

1266
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:19,440
we're done.
>> There there is not going to be anything

1267
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:24,480
but these [clears throat] new entrance
deel deceleration grants and

1268
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:28,800
acceleration ramps. And we're going to
be looking, if they were put in right

1269
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:36,880
now, it would help a little bit, but
we're looking at a disaster. And this is

1270
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:42,400
a disaster for this town. The Route 15
in Carol Township is super important

1271
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:46,960
because of the businesses on it. And we
get a lot of revenue off of that. That's

1272
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:52,480
going to all be destroyed. And Pendot's
having a ball doing it. If we don't do

1273
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:56,400
something to stop it and get this fixed,
we're going to be in big trouble. We're

1274
01:41:54,719 --> 01:42:01,760
already in big trouble because it should
have had a bypass drawn up for nothing

1275
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:06,239
back in the '90s. That would have been
land that was bought. They start buying

1276
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:11,520
land to do the bypass when it was
necessary. Well, guess what? We don't

1277
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:16,880
got nothing. There's no plan. It's it's
nothing but a band-aid to hold us for 5

1278
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:21,520
years. And at the end of the 5 years, we
might as well not even have it. We we,

1279
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:25,600
you know, in a way, you know, if you're
talking to Dave and that, we might as

1280
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:30,719
well go out and encourage all the
building we can get. Eventually,

1281
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:35,760
somebody important from the state might
live in this area that can't get to work

1282
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:39,840
and maybe we'll get something, but the
only way we're going to get it is start

1283
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:44,159
tearing homes down. And that's where
we're at. And I don't like that. as

1284
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:48,960
residents homes.
I, you know, something should be done. I

1285
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:50,159
mean, we can't let this go.
>> Yeah.

1286
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:55,760
» Thank you.
>> I And I I've already, you know, backing

1287
01:42:53,920 --> 01:43:05,760
up here a little bit, already checked
with Donkeeper's office. Uh I got some

1288
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:10,080
names uh of people from Harrisburg in um
uh [clears throat] the state government

1289
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:14,480
to try and get some help. I haven't
gotten anywhere with it yet, but if I

1290
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:19,600
get something, I can let everybody know
and then we can decide to go on it. But,

1291
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:23,760
uh, we got to get something moving.
There's just absolutely nothing here to

1292
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:28,400
look forward to.
>> Okay. Uh, let's see. Can I have a motion

1293
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:30,560
to adjurnn?
>> I'll make a motion to

1294
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:33,760
» make a second.
>> Second.

1295
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:36,760
» Any discussion?
>> Ajourned.