[0:01] like
she doesn't want to go for a master, but
[0:06] she has to
[0:37] » [snorts]
[0:50] » I didn't realize
[0:58] Did you say you got [clears throat]
[1:03] the 20 24
[1:17] [clears throat]
[1:26] » [laughter]
[1:44] » Looks like everybody's in place. We're
going to call the meeting to order. And
[1:47] the first item on today's agenda is the
pledge of allegiance.
[1:55] » Pledge to the flag of the United States
of America and to the republic for which
[2:00] it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, liberty and justice for
[2:06] all.
[2:10] » Okay. So, first item is public comments.
Is there any public comments this
[2:17] evening?
[2:40] Dave, you have something?
>> Um,
[2:46] I was um at Williams Grove for the 9-day
deal that they had. Uh, I was over there
[2:54] seeing a lot of people coming in
complaining about the Route 15 traffic.
[3:00] And the route route 15 traffic is
ridiculous I think. And um
[3:08] a lot of the people were furious and u I
know that a lot of residents are fed
[3:14] [clears throat] up.
Uh when we have new developments come
[3:19] in, they get upset
uh even more. And I I understand where
[3:24] they're coming from.
Uh I've been trying to come up with some
[3:29] way to sort of solve this. Uh but we
have developments on the way and there's
[3:36] future coming
and I thought maybe there'd be some way
[3:40] to get a a moratorum to stop the future
stuff
[3:45] uh on the basis of like u
uh if the city water system isn't big
[3:52] enough to accommodate the new
development that maybe they would hold
[3:57] it off something to that effect. Uh but
uh I was talking with uh Dave Jones
[4:04] there, our our solicitor today, and he
explained a little bit more to me uh
[4:11] regarding
uh [snorts] our rights as far as
[4:15] township
on what we can do to try and stop some
[4:20] of this so we can lighten things up.
When you look at the fact that a
[4:24] development goes in with uh say 100
homes, that's 200 more cars that go on
[4:31] this road out here. And when you look
out there at 11:00 in the morning and
[4:37] see gridlock both directions, you know
there's something wrong. And but we're
[4:42] dealing with that. It's going to get
worse.
[4:45] Um I don't know, Dave, u do you have any
comments on this as far as explain how
[4:51] we stand on this? Well, it's it's under
the Pennsylvania Municipal Planning
[4:55] Code. If a if a developer comes in with
a plan that meets the requirements of
[4:58] the zoning ordinance and the subdivision
land development ordinance, they are in
[5:03] fact entitled legally to an approval.
I'm not speaking sight to a a a
[5:10] ordinance requirement that has not been
met. So, that is part of the issue.
[5:14] Pennsylvania's long long been a property
rights states that if you own a piece of
[5:18] property, you're allowed to do what
you're permitted to do with it
[5:21] reasonably. Um there's a lot of case law
about municipalities trying to put
[5:26] moratoriums on development and they've
all been turned they've all been
[5:30] reversed and said you can't do that. So
um unfortunately I I just have to tell
[5:35] you what the law is. It's not my
position necessarily, but um I drive
[5:39] through this this traffic sometimes,
too. But at the same time, we can't
[5:42] control 11:15 or Route 15 and and that's
a state road. And that's not just
[5:48] because of the development here.
[clears throat] That's because
[5:49] development south of us, development
north of us, west and east of us, and
[5:53] it's just more and more people on the
road. So,
[5:55] » thank you. [clears throat]
>> One one little bit. Yeah. Um the we had
[6:02] a thing about month or so ago uh where
Pendot came in and and uh gave us a talk
[6:10] at the [clears throat]
uh BFW in Billsburg uh regarding
[6:15] upgrades on 15th and that stuff.
[clears throat]
[6:20] Um, there's a going to be a 2-year break
where I think they're going to get water
[6:26] pipes and things under Route 15 taken
care of, get them upgraded,
[6:31] and uh after that they said it would
take 3 years to uh do the changes that
[6:39] they want to make. Now, the changes they
want to make are more like acceleration
[6:43] ramps and de acceleration ramps for uh
roads that um
[6:50] uh come out and say have a stop sign or
something like that at Route 15 plus to
[6:56] help it for the businesses to get on and
off which I think would help things but
[7:01] uh that's 5 years away
and uh I the biggest problem that I see
[7:09] is the fact that we're we had in our
comp comp plan, we had uh interchanges
[7:17] that we thought should go in
um and uh different locations and some
[7:23] roads that would uh back up these
interchanges
[7:27] and uh 5 years from now they're going to
be gone.
[7:31] » That means no interchanges unless they
start ripping things down. I don't know
[7:37] » how they can possibly do it, but
>> yeah, there's Thank you, Dave. I
[7:41] appreciate [clears throat] it.
>> That's it.
[7:42] » Yeah. Um and then of note, uh we did
have an executive session before the
[7:46] meeting. I forgot to um say it before,
so I'll do it under public comments um
[7:51] for ongoing legal matters that we had to
discuss. So, we did hold an executive
[7:55] session beforehand. Um now, we have the
final subdivision in land development
[8:00] plan for 941 York Road Warehouse.
[8:05] And it's the deadline is September 24th.
>> Are you able to put it up?
[8:12] » Thank you.
>> Good evening. Conor Serge with Highland
[8:15] Engineering here representing the owner.
Um so this plan is a subdivision land
[8:20] development final plan. It is one lot
existing right now. We're planning to
[8:24] subdivide into two lots. One will be
developed about 30 acres or so and then
[8:28] a residual lot of about 24 acres. that
lot one. Um I can wait till it gets
[8:34] pulled up. Um but we did come through
with pulary plan uh in 2024. We had two
[8:40] waiverss associated with that that were
approved as well. Um it's a 252,000
[8:45] ft industrial facility with associated
loading docks with 33 loading docks, 41
[8:53] trailer spaces, and 88 employee spaces.
[9:00] I apologize. I have a connection issue.
>> Okay.
[9:03] » No problem.
[9:09] » Uh the building provides fire access 360
around the building and there's a fire
[9:13] water tank um solely for the facility
located on the property. We have storm
[9:19] water management, a large basin
downstream as well as an infiltration
[9:22] trench um just outside the employee
parking. We've gone through multiple
[9:27] permits with PADP. We have NPDES
approval as well as uh chapter 105
[9:34] permit approval for a roadway that
crosses a stream that we are providing a
[9:38] culprit access through. Now, um traffic
is expected to be approved by PENDOT
[9:45] here in the next couple weeks.
[clears throat] Very hard to know down
[9:47] the time frame as I'm sure you know. Um
but all the major things have been
[9:52] ironed out. Our sewer and water are
tying into the extensions already
[9:56] provided by the TCU project uh directly
above us this south. Um and we also have
[10:03] electric on site. Um
there are some minor improvements to
[10:10] your road coming mainly widening your
shoulders um and repaving lanes. Um kind
[10:16] of matching what TC did just continuing
that down further. There you go. So that
[10:22] is the um lot one
to the bottom of the screen is route 15
[10:29] and then on the right hand side is your
road. Um up above to the north is your
[10:34] residual lot too which is pretty much
just open field going to remain that
[10:38] way. Um
up here
[10:43] that's where our storm basin will be
going. Um majority of the runoff reaches
[10:47] that [clears throat] and then it
discharges further to the left hand side
[10:51] down to dogwood run. Um again we all
permits with D for that already.
[10:57] Um
here is the fire access. I talked about
[11:02] fire that was discussed with fire chief
um and ultimately approved as well the
[11:07] gold marana plants.
Uh any questions I would be happy to
[11:12] answer if you have any. Yeah, I do. When
this pro uh project got started, I did
[11:20] some research on on what needed to be
done
[11:25] uh with certain things as far as oil
separators. Okay. The oil separator deal
[11:31] was I checked on what the new road
tractor's maximum fuel capacity was and
[11:39] the maximum fuel capacity was like uh uh
I think it was like 730 gallons
[11:47] and the possibility of a fuel tank
rupture in a parking lot even if it's
[11:52] just a fender bender or just a failure
of a a fuel [snorts] line or something
[11:58] like that where you can start having a
spill. You should be able to contain
[12:04] the maximum gallons so it doesn't get
into the screen and actually get it
[12:09] before it goes into your basement. And
it's a simple thing to do and I find out
[12:16] I was trying to get from your people the
information as we went along and along
[12:21] and along
what was going on and they kept saying,
[12:25] "Well, we'll get back to you. will get
back in. Never did it. I finally find
[12:30] out you're putting in standard
fuel station like service station where
[12:37] you get gas
uh drain systems and that's it. There's
[12:42] one every one of them is going to catch
I think it's 30 gallons or 40 gallons of
[12:48] fuel and from there on it's going to go
in the stream there. If you have another
[12:55] uh storm drain
30 ft away and some of it goes in there
[13:00] and it captures 40 40 gallons and start
sending it into the stream, that's what
[13:06] you're going to have. You're supposed to
have a system right before the the basin
[13:14] where all the all the water or whatever
from the parking lot comes down into one
[13:20] pipe and right before it goes in there
have an oil separator
[13:26] and they changed it all around and come
up with this storm drain deal which
[13:31] ain't going to do it. So there if you
know it's already passed, it's already
[13:37] in place. But if there is a problem and
it gets into the spring and it goes down
[13:43] into yellow, somebody's going to have a
big clean up.
[13:47] » I mean,
>> yeah.
[13:48] » And right, just for your information,
since your basin is your basin built
[13:53] yet?
>> No, nothing is under control.
[13:55] » You might want to think about it.
[snorts] So as the whole thing, the
[13:59] whole idea and a knew it was to run it
into one pipe
[14:04] through the separator into the basin and
had the base had the separator also with
[14:10] an alarm system, if it was loaded with
fuel because any truck driver that goes
[14:15] in and dumps a load of fuel by accident
and he gets some way to fix it, he's
[14:21] going to get out of there because he
doesn't want to pay for the cleanup of
[14:25] the screen.
So, it was a big mistake on it. The the
[14:30] next warehouse behind you guys is in
doing the same thing and they're not
[14:35] fully approved. They're coming for the
final. And there again, it's the little
[14:40] storm drain deal.
>> Thanks, Steve.
[14:42] » So, I just want to point that out.
>> Okay. Thanks. Anyone have any other
[14:47] questions?
[14:50] » Manny, do you have any questions on
this? Um I don't have any question but I
[14:56] did we did um point out a couple other
comments. Um
[14:59] » okay
>> in item number five so we have talked
[15:03] about that mostly is the plan clean up
at this point. Um so my main concern
[15:10] will be the panda stone crate under the
the um panda row. So make sure that you
[15:16] provide the proper
>> site plan one and the storm water um
[15:23] calculation for my review.
>> Yep. We will get that with you.
[15:27] » Can you let us know when when that comes
in?
[15:29] » Yes.
>> What was the change um in the end of the
[15:33] proposed retaining wall north of the
driveway entrance?
[15:37] So it originally followed the curve
line.
[15:40] » Oh, essentially
closer to York Road
[15:46] didn't like that. So they cut it off and
buried it into the site more. So there's
[15:50] more grading provided kind of sloping
[clears throat] pended.
[15:54] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[15:55] » So that way they need to be cleaned up a
little bit as well. Um because you know
[15:59] it's very hard right now. Um
after you make the wall curve to the
[16:06] north
that you need to clean up the building
[16:09] right there.
>> Yeah. I don't know the thoughts will be
[16:12] on a little bit but
is there a determination already made
[16:17] you on the financial contribution agreed
upon was for the realigning of R 74 to
[16:22] the north.
>> I believe the client has been in touch
[16:26] with Brandon and your team on that. I
know
[16:28] » I I know we've I see what we for the
donation for the green space, but
[16:33] » I don't think anything's been signed.
>> Yeah, it was part of the conditional use
[16:37] approval. I believe it's $400,000. Uh
there was a
[16:42] that score in lie of uh which was
[16:52] » yeah that was there's there's a rack fee
in L correct
[16:55] » and then a lump sum contribution which
is separate 400,000
[17:00] that goes to emergency services and for
the relocation of 74 in the future. So
[17:06] that was decided upon the conditional
use hearing.
[17:14] So that part four section 4
[clears throat]
[17:17] um part five that is the route 74
[17:24] realignment of route 74 to the north
contribution [clears throat]
[17:27] or is that for the green space park?
>> The fee in L of there's two things
[17:33] there. The fee loop is her direct direct
fee.
[17:36] » Yeah. But I only see one number on that
report.
[17:39] » Yeah. She don't have a specific number.
Um
[17:44] » I think it's directly um copy from what
the P plan comments letter.
[17:50] » Yeah. So it goes by the disturbed area.
Um I believe it's $1,000 per disturbed
[17:54] acre. Um and then we take the limited
disturbance. I have that number on the
[18:00] screen share so I can't pull that back
up.
[18:02] » Okay. because said in a report that that
400,000 is the wreck fee. It's not the
[18:07] donation for Route 74 realignment.
>> Two items here
[18:13] and
>> so there's two. There's a rec.
[18:17] » Yes.
>> Okay. [clears throat]
[18:19] » So the lum contribution is $1,000 but
the fee is separate number but I can get
[18:24] the number to you.
>> So they will have to be paid prior to
[18:27] recording.
>> Right.
[18:29] » Yeah. Okay. There's any questions I had.
>> Thank you.
[18:35] » That's it.
>> Thank you guys.
[18:39] » Okay. TN TCNE SH reduction.
We have
[18:49] uh so for the [clears throat]
reduction uh we will use the most
[18:55] current site plan and we also did the
site visit and just confirm everything
[18:59] were installed properly and construct as
planned. uh at this point we are
[19:05] recommending retaining 50% of to ensure
the survival of the tree during the 18
[19:11] months guarantee period and 25% of the
post schedule lighting infection. Uh the
[19:17] amount that we would recommend to retain
is $151,000
[19:24] $151 $800. So that's the release amount
>> 151
[19:37] recommend um $4 million a little bit
more $4 million to be reduced and
[19:44] » least
[19:49] okay
[19:52] next is the minor minor financials or
that minor final subject collision plan
[19:57] of 235 Campground Road for Jeffrey Stump
and Angela Clemens. There's a deadline
[20:02] on December or September 23rd. We do
need a time extension on that.
[20:06] » Correct. Yeah, this is still at the
planning commission level
[20:09] here tonight. Um, if you guys have any
questions on that, they did provide us
[20:13] with signed time extension uh to
November 30th, 2026.
[20:19] » Yes, I saw that. I didn't have any
questions. And how do you think it's
[20:22] going to go between
you think be done by November 30th?
[20:27] » Yeah, I mean the biggest thing in these
types of subdivision plans in this
[20:32] particular case are going to be pendot
which is in its final throws of being
[20:36] reviewed by PDP and [clears throat] uh a
pendot permit for the new lot. Um that
[20:43] permit [clears throat] has been
submitted. that's in the review process.
[20:46] But um though it's a minor minimum use
permit, it still could take 6 to 8 weeks
[20:51] to be issued. So we would expect to have
that before that time frame.
[20:55] » Sure.
>> Um one of the issues I know that came up
[20:59] with the planning commission. I was
hoping we could discuss it at Florida
[21:02] level tonight, but my client
unfortunately is out of town due to the
[21:05] holiday. um was a recommendation of the
of the planning commission to consider
[21:11] um instead of taking a fee in lie of u
recreation to uh require or request an
[21:18] easement for the rail trail that I think
is projected to go through this
[21:22] property. Um, as I said, my I was hoping
my client would be here to do the
[21:27] discussion instead of me, but uh they
they do plan on being here next week.
[21:33] So, we certainly can have that
discussion with the board. Um, obviously
[21:37] they do have concerns regarding
liability and and those types of
[21:41] factors. Um,
but they are willing to talk. So,
[21:47] um, relative to the plan itself, it's as
you may know, it's a it's a relatively
[21:51] minor plan. It's a 10acre lot that we're
cutting off the existing farmhouse
[21:55] that's located on this property in order
to create a new lot that the owner
[22:00] intends to build a home for his wife and
uh family.
[22:05] We did work with the township and that
home is currently under construction. Um
[22:10] so we're kind of catching the
subdivision up with what he intends to
[22:13] do. We do have some minor comments
relative to Manny's review and we have
[22:18] no problem in getting those cleaned up.
So, I'll answer any questions you may
[22:22] have or I'll see you next week.
[clears throat]
[22:27] » Thank you.
[22:40] Process Mandy.
>> Yes. Thank you.
[22:44] Uh going on as usual. Um the good thing
is um open room has been open uh since
[22:50] August 12th. Um things as of now uh
going pretty good. Um we didn't get any
[22:56] call as far as I know. Uh [laughter]
so everything is going well for that one
[23:03] in so that next item is all bank
statement roundabout.
[23:10] Um, so the public meeting is actually
scheduled on September 5th, 15 from 6 to
[23:16] 8 at the concert building, which is next
Tuesday.
[23:21] » Um,
not
[23:30] we can ask Chelsea to put it on the D.
It is
[23:34] [clears throat]
[23:37] » okay.
I didn't see this a couple weeks ago.
[23:41] » The email. Okay. Okay. I think I just
got the email last week, I think.
[23:45] » Okay.
>> They created a flyer for it. So, we got
[23:50] it out to everybody. I put it on my
Facebook just try to get it out.
[23:56] Okay. [clears throat]
>> So, as far as the
[24:00] comments, can we actually
address the comment already and resubmit
[24:06] the revision? Uh, at this point, they
are still coordinating with the area
[24:12] authority. Uh as far as the water and
sewer aspect of it, um
[24:18] from what I know for further discussion
will need to be um going on and
[24:24] happening with their engineer GTH.
But um exciting news, you know, the next
[24:29] public meeting so we can provide the
education um opportunity for the general
[24:35] public.
>> Any questions for me at this point?
[24:40] » Will you be at the public meeting? I
move it. Yeah. So the next item is high
[24:46] grow. Um they actually submit the final
plan for the township and engineer
[24:51] signature already. At this point um
we're waiting for their update and once
[24:58] the plan is reported. So no scrolling on
this one just you know hitting the final
[25:04] finish line.
Next one is just my go uh I have been
[25:08] coordinating with the development
contractor. Um, everything's going
[25:16] pretty smoothly. Um, they actually
submit [clears throat] the f final
[25:20] cleanup plan last week, which is really
good. Um,
[25:26] as of this morning, I do have another
conversation with them. Um, they're
[25:30] expecting to submit, they still have a
little bit clean up to do, but it's just
[25:35] nothing major. Uh it's just for
presentation purposes, nothing related
[25:39] to engineering. Uh they they will plan
to provide me another copy uh later
[25:46] later this week. [laughter] Okay.
Construction is still going on. Um they
[25:51] are planning to install the sewer line
September 13. Uh we will have the
[25:58] inspection people out there to make sure
that they do their back field and uh uh
[26:05] compact material properly.
[26:11] The next item is 235 campground row. So
Mr. was here
[26:18] already.
Next item is 941 local warehouse. Uh
[26:24] this one is also on the on the agenda
earlier. So nothing more to add at this
[26:29] point.
Uh J also on the agenda. Nothing more to
[26:35] add. Going really fast, huh? That's
great. So the next one is for North
[26:41] County School District Middle School. Um
as of now um I have not received the
[26:47] plan or application but they're planning
to submit to um to the country for
[26:53] review and comment shortly. They would
like I from what I understanding they
[26:57] want to move the project fast.
[27:01] Um the next one is the solen uh
I'm sorry. So the next one next one is
[27:09] the solar p 454.
Uh they actually rescheduled their goal
[27:14] widening schedule. Uh it was supposed to
be August 31st. Uh right now their their
[27:19] schedule uh push to uh September 15
which is next week.
[27:27] Um
that's all I have. Um other than that
[27:33] project is not much more money.
Thank you. Yeah, many of or Brandon. Um,
[27:42] thought there was talk about a is there
going to be any kind of reconstruction
[27:46] of the intersection of Orbank and 15
where Giant from Giant down to 15 or was
[27:52] it only just the section of providing a
turn lane coming off of Orb Bank on 15?
[27:58] » No, the full reconstruction is involved
with the Pendot project. But yeah, all
[28:03] the improvements that were done that you
see out there now were part of the
[28:08] approved plan for it. So it's basically
>> there won't be anything done from our
[28:12] plan right now until P end up comes in
correct
[28:14] » for that from giant 215. Okay.
>> All right. That's my question. Thank
[28:19] you.
>> See next we have the SPC of your
[28:23] accounting animal care and housing
agreements 2027 animal care and housing.
[28:28] On August 25th, uh we received from the
SPCA the 2027 annual care and housing
[28:34] agreement uh our municipalities invoice
for the 2027 fee and the service summary
[28:39] to support communications with
stakeholders and taxpayers. Uh you
[28:42] should all be a copy of that um for your
review uh and for your signature to
[28:48] approve the agreement as a local
governing body. And then I have the
[28:53] invoice attached here for $6,235
for me to submit for pay for payment.
[29:01] [clears throat] Yeah, I do read the
agreement. I didn't see I didn't see any
[29:04] issues from my perspective. The only
thing I would note it is a 7% increase
[29:09] um as we're seeing increases hitting the
township for 2027 coming up.
[29:15] » Mhm. Yeah, I know.
>> Okay.
[29:16] » Yeah. But it's one of the Yeah. We have
to have
[29:18] » Yeah. Yeah. You know, I disagree with
just noted that I think every I think
[29:25] everything's
>> We're lucky it's only seven.
[29:28] » Yeah, cuz that's we're getting ready to
go into budgeting. [laughter]
[29:31] » Yeah.
>> All right. Uh include animal control
[29:35] services contract for 2027.
>> Uh you should we also receive for uh the
[29:40] animal control service contract include
now. She will actually come to if we
[29:45] have an animal, she actually won't call
her. She'll come and actually physically
[29:47] take the animal. Um, were they given
last year's contract review?
[29:53] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, you you should have the
[29:57] new one for 207 and cont the last one.
So, you can review side by side to see
[30:03] » roughly how many times we use them in
various year to year. It could be it
[30:08] could it depends. It could be a very
light year. It could be a heavy year.
[30:13] I think last year last year when you
budget like,100
[30:21] they're almost not a lot of money but
it's still 20% increase.
[30:26] » Yeah.
>> I'm just trying to determine that we use
[30:28] them like 50 times.
>> You don't have to accept that. You can
[30:32] always ask to enter into negotiations
with her.
[30:35] » Yeah.
[30:38] » Okay.
>> Unfortunately, she's the only game in
[30:41] town. No, for the most part. Yes, he
kind of has
[30:44] » there's supposedly a new one starting
down on red lines. I don't know if
[30:47] that's true or not, but
>> yeah,
[30:50] » get some competition.
[30:53] » It'll be welcome.
>> So, there seems to be a lot of times
[30:58] that they are closed. What do you do
with dogs
[31:01] » during the time that they are not
taking?
[31:03] » Um, we'll try to get the state dog board
if they're available. If they're not,
[31:06] we'll ask the homeowner to
the dog.
[31:11] in the mail.
>> How often does how often do they pick up
[31:16] when when you need them and how often
are you having to come up with
[31:19] alternative? Um
>> rarely. I will admit it's rarely
[31:24] » Okay.
And what's the cost for each time that
[31:28] they actually take up a dog?
>> That can vary. I I don't know that
[31:32] number.
>> Okay. So, it's not the same proof. I I
[31:37] didn't I may have read too fast, but I
didn't notice that on the contract.
[31:41] » Yeah, I I have to review it myself.
>> Okay.
[31:47] » Okay.
Next we have DOG grants resolution
[31:53] number 26-23
a resolution of board of supervisors
[31:57] Carol Township authorizing the signing
of the fiscal year 26 bridging
[32:01] immigration related deficits experience
Biden program round three grant
[32:06] » Sergeant Terry Williams is on Zoom to
discuss that if you have any questions
[32:10] » I don't have any questions is this the
same the same things that we applied for
[32:16] in phase two
>> we never ended up imported under phase
[32:20] two. Well, we ran out of time. Now we're
waiting on phase three hasn't opened up
[32:23] yet. We're anticipating it soon.
>> Okay.
[32:26] » Uh the Sergeant Williams I know they're
waiting for phase three to open up.
[32:31] » Well, yeah, it it seems like it was the
same thing. So,
[32:34] » it is it is. Yeah.
>> So, is it required um to be part of the
[32:39] 287g program in order to apply and
receive that grant?
[32:43] » I believe that it does. Arms, you want
that?
[32:47] » Yes, it does.
Okay, good. Thanks.
[32:52] » I have a question about that.
[32:57] » Did you have more questions for
>> I didn't want to interrupt you if you
[33:02] were still asking
[33:06] question.
>> Um Szo, I'm a Carol Township resident on
[33:09] Creek Road. Um, and I was just curious
about this. Um, reading through um, the
[33:15] online documentation about it. Um, under
the eligibility section, it says
[33:21] applicants must be fully participating
in either HSTF operations or other major
[33:27] DOJ enforcement efforts or commit to
entering into and fully participating in
[33:32] these efforts. And I was curious if the
language here um pulls us into a bigger
[33:40] requirement for responsibility
um and less discretionary power than the
[33:45] 287G itself does.
I understand under the 287G officers
[33:52] have the discretion of whether or not
they want to um cooperate with a request
[33:57] that they get from homeland security um
or ICE and they have the discretion to
[34:04] say no we don't want to go doortodoor no
we don't want to go into the schools um
[34:09] I've stopped someone I don't want to
separate this family even though there's
[34:14] um the driver is undocumented and we
currently have that discretion
[34:19] And I'm curious um in the language of
this contract, the way it says that we
[34:24] must be fully participating
whether that gives us the discretion to
[34:28] say no.
>> Sergeant Williams, do you have an answer
[34:32] to that?
>> Uh I I don't understand really what your
[34:38] basis of your question was. Um so can
you maybe elaborate a little bit?
[34:43] Yeah. Um and I'm just reading from I
don't know OM number 1121
[34:50] 0329
is the online um overview information
[34:55] for the uh Biden program.
And section two um shows eligibility
[35:04] for the grants. And the second paragraph
explains that we have to either
[35:10] participate in the 287G
or commit to participating in one. But
[35:15] in addition to that, we must
um make a commitment to be fully
[35:23] participating
in Homeland Security Task Force
[35:27] operations and fully participating in
other major DOJ enforcement efforts. So
[35:34] that's what I'm questioning whether this
gives us less discretion going forward
[35:39] if we um participate with this grant.
>> I don't believe so. Um most of all of
[35:45] the other 287G departments in your
county have already applied for this
[35:50] grant. Um it's just specific as to
whether or not we participate in the
[35:55] program or not. Um I I don't I'm not
looking into it the way I think you are.
[36:00] um it's just meant me necessarily that
you have to be certified under that
[36:06] program in order to apply for this
grant. That's that's about it.
[36:12] » Is that something that we could get
legal advice for? Sure.
[36:17] » I guess what I would say is this. If the
requirement is that you lose all
[36:21] discretion, they would need the 287g
participation because it is
[36:24] discretionary. Correct.
>> Correct.
[36:28] » Right. So on a 22 287G we have the
discretion to to say no [snorts]
[36:32] we're not doing that. So for them to add
if if the second requirement were well
[36:38] you don't have a choice you don't need
287g it would just say you have to
[36:41] commit to participating in all those
activities that you you imagine all the
[36:47] major task force activities and so on
and so forth. We certain I'll certainly
[36:51] look into it by next week. who's trying
to look into that. But from a logical
[36:54] standpoint, they wouldn't bootstrap it
to 287G
[36:58] if it's not discretionary on they
wouldn't need 287G at all.
[37:03] » Right. And I think that, you know, the
part
[37:06] there allows departments that don't
participate in 287G to have a pathway as
[37:11] well. Um, but I I would appreciate if
you'd look into and make sure that we're
[37:16] not digging ourselves into a deeper
hole.
[37:19] We still, if I recall, Sergeant Well,
you can clarify for me. Um, in the
[37:24] agreement, there were three different
options to choose from in that
[37:28] agreement. And the one we chose,
um, was not to do the, you know,
[37:33] doortodoor knocking on the door and
pulling people out. Um it was to
[37:39] basically support what our officers were
doing in this in the field when they
[37:43] would come across a situation when
someone auto accident traffic stop you
[37:48] know ticket speeding what have you um
and the person is undocumented then you
[37:53] can't vet them then we would use a 287g.
>> Well I do understand that um some of the
[38:00] arrests um have been in response to um
ICE contacting us. [clears throat] um in
[38:08] addition to just the traffic stops.
Yeah.
[38:10] » That that we run as well. So there is
some kind of um an agreement there where
[38:17] ICE is initiating
the efforts. [clears throat]
[38:22] » So if I can interject um as of the time
since we joined this program, not one
[38:27] time have we gone to a school, have we
gone into the neighborhoods or done
[38:32] anything that you described. um these
incidents that you're talking about um
[38:37] if it is happening it's done on their
own and not by us. Um I think I told you
[38:42] that when I spoke in March that that was
not our intent. So we have no intentions
[38:50] on doing that.
>> Yeah. And I I appreciate and I I believe
[38:54] that there's good intentions. I'm just
hoping that the legal ease follows those
[38:58] intentions and that that um continues to
be true. Any other questions?
[39:06] Thank you.
Okay.
[39:10] Next, we have, let's see, the permission
to start the hiring process to have two
[39:15] full-time police officers to start
January 27th.
[39:18] » So, it's in the going to be in the
proposed budget. We have one retirement
[39:23] uh the beginning of January. We have
another one that could happen uh halfway
[39:27] through the year and we're asking for an
additional uh we would like to start the
[39:31] process. It's not going to cost the
township anything other than just our
[39:35] time to to do the interviews. Uh so that
if it does get approved, we're ready to
[39:41] move for the meeting of the year.
And if it doesn't get approved, it's the
[39:46] only time that we're out is our time to
do the interview.
[39:49] » What's the second one?
>> Yeah. [clears throat] Uh so we have one
[39:52] we have a sergeant that is uh going to
be retiring the end of January.
[39:56] » We [clears throat] have another officer
who is potentially going to leave
[40:00] halfway through the year. Uh and we're
asking to add on to the department. We
[40:05] want to balance that up. The 12 hour
shifts happen to balance out the shifts.
[40:09] Uh we actually need two. We're asking
for one for next year.
[40:13] It'll be in the proposed budget.
[40:22] just because it takes time just to start
the process.
[40:25] » Yeah.
Next, [snorts and cough] we have advis
[40:29] the board supervisors of the conference
room table donation from Frank.
[40:38] » We were we were we were in need. It was
something that we wanted. We wanted to
[40:41] have a conference table out of the
tables that we had. um supervisor Seth
[40:46] Black was was able to reach out to his
uh former employer and they had one
[40:50] thing I'm using and they donated to us.
Uh it's a very nice table. It really is.
[40:57] Um and we send a nice thank you letter
to Mr. Tim Tate Timothy Tate uh from the
[41:02] company. Uh
>> and I have that in your actual packet
[41:05] for next week and send your packet a
copy of the thank you letter. Yeah, I
[41:08] appreciate I mean Tim Tate has always um
and the Tay family has always been um
[41:13] pretty generous with their time and and
supporting um [clears throat]
[41:17] different municipalities or um
government um agencies and or um uh
[41:24] nonprofit organizations so on so forth.
So I knew I knew what they had um
[41:30] discussed a need within the police
department and I gave Tim that call and
[41:34] uh he was more than happy to uh to
donate the table to the township to be
[41:38] used for the police department multi a
multi-purpose room. So
[41:43] » awesome.
>> It's really nice. It is really nice that
[41:46] they
>> awesome. [laughter]
[41:50] » Okay. Chief Wargo has completed his four
years of service on the executive board
[41:54] of the York County Chiefs of Police
Association.
[41:56] » So yeah, you're all aware I was a member
of the York County Chiefs of Police
[41:59] Association. Um four years ago I was
asked to be on the executive board and
[42:03] every year you call me Sergeant the the
secretary then treasurer vice president.
[42:08] So this all this last year I served as
the president of the association. Uh the
[42:12] last meeting of August by our bylaws is
the last meeting and then starting
[42:16] September everybody moves up to the next
chair. So I am now the immediate past
[42:20] president um for the new year.
[laughter] I have completed my 4-year
[42:24] term as the on the executive
[clears throat] on that. Just letting
[42:31] chief at Carol Township ever be asked
executive
[42:35] » and then um update on the K9.
>> I don't think they have I don't think we
[42:41] have
>> I don't have anything as far as I know
[42:44] that all the
>> M [clears throat]
[42:46] actually you
>> Yes.
[42:48] So [cough] must steer differently. That
was my understanding.
[42:51] » So go on next week's meeting to hope to
execute.
[42:56] » All right. Cool. [snorts]
[43:00] » Uh next we have update on Robert Gay,
the 283 K Road. [clears throat] Do we
[43:05] have any updates on that? I know Dave,
did you have something?
[43:09] » Yeah.
[43:13] » Yeah, we have something. His father.
Yeah, there it is.
[43:20] [clears throat]
[43:28] Am
[43:37] I supposed to make a statement or are
you going to ask me questions?
[43:40] » If you have an update for us.
>> Okay. So, um [clears throat]
[43:44] uh
I haven't addressed you guys. I
[43:48] mentioned in the um correspondence of
Brandon um as as [clears throat] a
[43:55] memorandum of understanding
um I'm supposed to be reporting to him
[44:01] every 3 weeks with pictures and updates.
Um
[44:05] when I left when the last time I I was
before you guys I was you guys had
[44:11] suspended um the uh engineer
>> and um uh
[44:19] and then I had gotten I had gone forward
um with um uh acquiring a building
[44:25] permit. Um when I when uh my personal
drawings weren't detailed enough, I went
[44:33] and uh and got my own engineer to draw
plans um which were submitted with the
[44:40] voting uh permit. Um and then at that
point in time uh
[44:46] um I
uh had gone to Asia. Um the uh property
[44:55] um you know a lot of people haven't been
there uh think that I should have been
[45:01] able to get equipment down there. Um but
it's a 20x40. I don't have too many um
[45:08] uh
too much equipment that can get down in
[45:12] there to get that done. So I dug it up
by hand. Um it was a lengthy process. Um
[45:18] and then um uh and it was quite surgical
as well since I was doing it. Um and um
[45:26] if I would have gotten [laughter]
equipment down there, I would have never
[45:28] been able to get the dirt on the other
side of the prop other side of the
[45:32] building in the basement out the way I
was able to get them out as as I did it.
[45:37] Um so uh [clears throat] so that took a
long time. Um and with with the
[45:44] buildings from as I went before I got
the um uh drawings from my uh engineer
[45:52] and then submitted that like the
memorandum of understanding was wrecked
[45:58] right from the beginning that timeline
and as I submitted that timeline before
[46:02] you guys in a written letter that I
wrote to you guys that was like like off
[46:09] the top of my head. Um, and then I had
no idea at the time, my own ignorance, I
[46:15] had no idea what the solicitor was.
Brandon had told me that um, that I had
[46:20] some papers to sign from the solicitor.
And so I waited um, and then it took
[46:26] took off to get the paper. I got the I
got them two days before I went to Asia.
[46:30] I actually mailed them to Brandon in San
Francisco as I was heading out of the
[46:34] country. I signed them because
I don't know what you guys are. you guys
[46:39] were good enough to suspend
um being uh
[46:44] the engineer, pure engineer, and and so
um I I just signed them to get to get
[46:50] them signed and get me going. Um but
that that that timeline's been wrecked
[46:55] since the beginning. Um but I I got I
got um uh Dave's [clears throat] been
[47:00] out to the site. Um uh he's seen it. Um
uh at this point in time, I've been
[47:06] laying block today. Um, I got I I keep
looking at my phone. Um, where I got the
[47:12] instruction I think was a Monday, a week
ago. [clears throat] Um, and um uh and
[47:17] then uh I poured I actually for Friday.
Um, and I had to get I I I launched a
[47:26] cement mixer down in there and then I
had 80 bags of uh concrete that I mixed
[47:32] in a cement mixer. took me about well I
got done at 8:00 at night and I started
[47:36] at like 11:00
so I was poured and then I I went I went
[47:42] on
Saturday morning to get block of coal
[47:48] um cement and then they were closed uh
so I couldn't I couldn't start playing
[47:54] well I couldn't start with a newer block
I had some block that I was able to lay
[47:58] my first course with um and then I I
went this morning and got uh how the 90
[48:05] 90 block um uh and been laying I made a
sec part of the second course today and
[48:12] um and then uh had to offload my truck
and that's why I was late um because I
[48:17] just got done offloading 90 block and
every one of those bags was carried from
[48:24] the road down and then down to the
basement. Uh, two labors actually helped
[48:30] me with doing the cement bags. The block
I did I did I just carried down to once
[48:35] this one [clears throat]
just down to the top of the the basement
[48:39] because um uh it I don't [clears throat]
know if they shared any picture but um
[48:46] or Brandon um I I I have to pump the
water once I get rains um because it's
[48:52] fills up down there. So, I have a I
bought a small utility pump to pump the
[48:56] water out on the windows and um so
that's been an ongoing issue with the
[49:02] the [clears throat] digging with the
heat and the and the water and the rain
[49:06] that we've had. Um um but I'm I mean I'm
not on the timeline, but I'm I'm there
[49:13] every day. Um so, m Mr. and you're, you
know, by the end of August, you're to be
[49:20] finish the roof and clean up all the
debris and then close in the structure
[49:23] throughout the month of September. So,
[clears throat] um, and within that
[49:28] memorandum of understanding, it it it
says default by owner. If the event the
[49:32] owner fails to meet one or more of the
repair milestones above, township shall
[49:36] immediately renew enforcement action on
the dangerous building provisions.
[49:39] » I understand that, sir.
>> We don't have a choice. I mean, is
[49:42] that's an agreement that you you agreed
to based on the timeline you submitted
[49:46] to the board. We're [clears throat]
following the timeline you created.
[49:54] » Yeah, we do. I mean, we have residents
that have filed complaints based on the
[49:58] concern of that being a dangerous a
dangerous house, a dangerous building,
[50:04] right? [clears throat]
>> And this has been going on for a long
[50:08] time. So um
[50:13] based on the agreement
[50:16] the enforcement should happen.
[50:23] Um I went out and saw where he's
working.
[50:27] It's it's a tough place to work. He's
doing a lot of it by himself.
[50:32] » That's that's not the conscious problem.
I understand
[50:35] » it is the responsibility of the
homeowner. It's the homeowner who was
[50:38] came up with the schedule, not the
township.
[50:42] » Um
signed an agreement saying, "Okay, I'll
[50:45] do that." And we said, "If you don't do
these milestones, then the default
[50:50] [clears throat] by owner in the
memorandum of understanding is to
[50:54] immediately renew the enforcement action
on the dangerous buildings provision. We
[50:58] are responsible to make sure that we
follow our ordinances." Is it is there
[51:02] anything in this uh memorandum of
understanding
[51:06] that uh recognizes
heavy rain or severe heat for this guy
[51:13] to be working
>> and uh there should that should be
[51:17] played in. I know he lost a lot of work
time because of the rain and also with
[51:23] the heat it reduced his ability to to
produce as much as he was normally
[51:31] doing.
>> That's disruption. [clears throat]
[51:33] » Well, the other thing we do is
uh time extensions. And I don't see why
[51:40] he can't get one. He's he's out there
working and he's trying to do the job.
[51:45] They just had a time extension for how
many years?
[51:49] » I don't have the exact number of years,
but the house has been in this condition
[51:53] for
>> more than long enough for time
[51:56] extension.
>> I gave it an inspection for soundness. I
[52:00] had a big walnut tree blew down about 2
months ago and that house is still
[52:04] there. So, I don't think it's that bad a
shape. And the other thing too is
[52:09] » that's a part of that's that's why
there's a provision or ordinance in
[52:13] order to have a a township engineer to
determine [clears throat] based on the
[52:19] structure if it fits the dangerous
building provision. With this job as a
[52:25] supervisor, you should all remember one
thing. You got to think about compassion
[52:31] for the individuals. This guy's working
hard. He works 60 hours a week and he's
[52:37] lives in Perry County and comes down to
work on this house.
[52:41] » David, I I understand that and and
believe me, I have compassion for that.
[52:46] Um [clears throat]
this has been going on for a very very
[52:49] long time. We also have the
responsibility as supervisors to
[52:53] residents who file complaint about that
structure being a potential dangerous
[52:57] hazard to residents that are in and
around that area. Okay. So, we have that
[53:04] we have that responsibility as well.
>> Well, we have a responsibility. I I
[53:09] agree. The only thing is the only way
anybody's going to get hurt there is if
[53:13] they're trespassing on this property if
something were to happen. But with all
[53:18] that wind and everything, it wasn't one
shingle or piece of wood blew off the
[53:23] place. And like I said, I had a big wall
blew down. I had to cut that thing up.
[53:29] And you know, I've been over there. He's
He's not
[53:33] uh [clears throat] staying at home or
partying with his buddies. He's down
[53:37] there working all the time.
>> That's good. You [clears throat] should
[53:39] be. I understand that.
>> Yeah. And it it's a tough job. He just
[53:44] give me an example. He's down in the
basement boarding footers. He carried
[53:49] his cement mixer down there somehow. I
don't know how he got it down.
[53:53] » [clears throat]
>> and all the dirt that had to be shoveled
[53:55] out and everything. He had the
wheelbarrow up at the top of the the
[54:00] normal surface throwing the dirt up.
>> Dave, you're going to come up with a
[54:03] schedule. Wouldn't you consider all the
work you have to do?
[54:06] » Well, I know.
>> Okay. I mean, you have to I mean, that's
[54:09] like
estimating construction 101. If I know
[54:12] I'm going to be doing XYZ to a home,
then I got to look at the plan and say,
[54:17] "Okay, what do I have to do and come up
with?" Right?
[54:22] So, I mean, Mr. Okay. When are you going
to have
[54:26] [clears throat] at least a August
milestone completed where the the the
[54:30] roof is up?
>> I intend to get that winterized by
[54:34] winter. That [clears throat]
>> I have I have I have to get that back
[54:38] filled because of the because of the I I
can't have the ground precinct falling
[54:43] um without it being backfilled or else
I'm going to get collapsed. So,
[54:48] » okay. So, what date? I I can't go by
butcher. [clears throat]
[54:50] Okay. And what what date are you going
to have it on the roof? And then what
[54:54] date are you going to have it weather?
[54:58] » Right. Wind, rain, snow, whatever may
happen from mother nature. Um when when
[55:06] will you have this completed?
>> I I know you had said that.
[55:12] » This is a question for Mr. Gay.
>> Okay. Go ahead.
[55:17] » I'm not gone. I have no idea.
>> And and I don't want to call you out
[55:19] guard. But why don't you have that
answer? My suggestion would be as a
[55:23] supervisor of this board, and I'm only
one [clears throat] of five, would be to
[55:26] come to next week's meeting and and
provide us with a new schedule
[55:33] of when you're going to have the
[clears throat]
[55:35] August and September milestones in the
memorandum of agreement completed.
[55:43] » Could you repeat that, please?
I'm sorry.
[55:46] » Could you repeat that? Come. I would
suggest that you come back into next
[55:51] week's meeting to provide in writing to
the township board of supervisors when
[55:56] you're going to have this uh roof on and
when the structure will be made
[56:02] weathertight.
[56:10] I I personally
think he should get a time extension
[56:15] and I I was thinking and I don't even
know if this is enough.
[56:19] » Basically, what I'm asking him to do is
to come to the board of supervisors
[56:23] meeting next week and to provide us with
a date of when he's going to have the
[56:29] roof completed and when he's going to
have the structure made weather tight.
[56:34] Well, that's something to me that uh is
uh something you can't write in stone. I
[56:42] mean, there there's too many variables
on this.
[56:44] » Well, then
>> but the thing is is we have we have a a
[56:48] duty to follow our ordinances. The
ordinances aren't going to happen and we
[56:52] have to enforce those.
>> Yeah.
[56:56] » But you have to remember
[57:00] and and we vote on those. I mean, we
have a lot. We have to uphold what
[57:04] [clears throat] we have here. And I
don't think, unfortunately,
[57:08] » we're in a situation where it may not be
the right thing. It may not be the nice
[57:12] thing to do, but we have to do equally
with every single citizen in the
[57:17] township. So,
>> so you got to treat the person making
[57:20] the complaint in the same way.
>> Well, first of all, you cannot because
[57:27] this home hasn't been lived in a bit.
Everything is growing up and you know
[57:32] how when a senior citizen has a home and
it grows up.
[57:35] » Yeah. But the thing is is you have
>> they can't even see it.
[57:39] » Okay. But but we have every single
citizen that has to we have to think
[57:44] about every single citizen not just one.
If we do one for one then we have to do
[57:48] one for the other. Then we have to you
know we can't be doing out specific
[57:51] favors for specific people.
>> What's wrong with time extensions? We we
[57:55] just gave one
>> because it has to go comes within our
[57:57] ordinances.
Well, I think that would be within our
[58:00] » What do you What do you think, Dave?
>> Well, first [clears throat] of all, the
[58:04] developer has to give us a time
extension or we can't tell him.
[58:08] » So, that's a little different
circumstance. Second, um, Mr. Gay, maybe
[58:13] you could come back and let it let the
board know. Also, if you're doing this
[58:16] all by yourself or you're going to hire
someone help you out with the framing
[58:19] and the roofing because taking it off by
yourself is is a big job. I understand
[58:24] that. But I think if you came back with
a plan of the date and how you're going
[58:29] to accomplish that,
>> it sounds to me like the board may
[58:32] consider a time extension. I don't think
the time they're saying no. I think they
[58:36] want to know what you reasonably believe
is an appropriate schedule. But my plan
[58:40] my planned was was to get this wall that
fourth that fourth wall up and get a
[58:48] sheath cuz I can't back fill a sheath
and then then I have something to work
[58:52] with to to get the rest to build up from
there and get the rest of the of the um
[58:58] thing
>> and that sounds great but we do have to
[59:00] have a time and there's nothing we can
do about that.
[59:03] » Okay. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.
[59:06] we have to uphold that.
>> So I mean my what my suggestion is gives
[59:09] you a full week well since we're have a
holiday on Monday. It's a little bit
[59:14] less than a full week right six days to
um to come up with that plan and and to
[59:20] come up with that date to pre present to
the board.
[59:26] » Now you want let me get it straight. You
want him to make up a new schedule.
[59:31] » What I propose as a supervisor is for
Mr. Gay to come to our meeting next week
[59:36] and provide a date of when he's going to
finish the roof complete and when he
[59:42] will have the structure made weather
type which are
[59:46] » [clears throat]
>> um points seven and points eight in the
[59:50] memorandum of understanding.
[59:54] [clears throat] Okay.
>> Okay.
[59:57] » That makes sense.
>> I think so. You said seven and eight
[1:00:02] » roof and weathertight structure.
>> What date?
[1:00:07] » Okay,
>> you'll have each of those accomplished.
[1:00:10] So, you've got um just a day less than a
week to go and create that plan and as
[1:00:14] our solicitor said, which is a good
suggestion, is here's the date and how
[1:00:18] am I going to do that? I'm going to do
it all myself and I know through my time
[1:00:21] I have I can get that done or I'm going
to hire someone to help me or I'm going
[1:00:24] to hire a roof contractor, whatever you
plan to do. But what is that? Right.
[1:00:33] » Okay.
>> Um, can there have anything due to
[1:00:36] weather as far as adjustments?
>> He has to consider that in his schedule
[1:00:41] like any other contractor, any other
homeowner that does does scheduling for
[1:00:46] building a home or repairing a home or
doing remodeling.
[1:00:49] » No different. [clears throat]
[1:00:54] » Okay. [clears throat]
>> Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Okay. Thank you,
[1:00:58] Mr.
>> Next, we have Carol Township Police
[1:01:01] Pension 2027
minimum of municipal obligation MMA
[1:01:06] worksheet.
[1:01:11] » I have a copy.
>> No,
[1:01:15] I did.
>> This is for 2027.
[1:01:18] » That's correct.
>> Yeah.
[1:01:22] » 2027.
[1:01:25] » Okay.
[1:01:29] They have to prove it and I have
to ask
[1:01:35] you
[1:01:39] » uh nonuniform pension and then
>> the same thing the yearly worksheet that
[1:01:46] » and then we have to start our dates then
too.
[1:01:48] » Yeah, I don't have any questions on it.
Next, we have a request from Billsburg's
[1:01:53] area soccer club to use the portable
lighting um from 5 to 8 Monday through
[1:01:58] Friday, Friday starting September 14th
through November 30th. Um this is a
[1:02:03] yearly request and I don't think we've
ever had any issues with it. We'll just
[1:02:07] put on the agenda next week and someone
has questions. Go ahead.
[1:02:09] » Yeah. So, this is kind of twofold. Um
this year would be for the lights. So,
[1:02:13] they're still looking at that, but they
also approached the township at doing um
[1:02:18] permanent lighting there. So that's why
the gentlemen are here tonight to
[1:02:22] describe a little bit of that. Um, and
you know, I'd let them go, but they're
[1:02:27] working on a proposal uh for some more
permanent lights. So they're not pulling
[1:02:31] these in.
>> Um, and that would be, you know, in my
[1:02:33] opinion, a benefit for the township, but
there's some things they would have to
[1:02:37] go along with that if they're taking on
that project. So my name is Shane
[1:02:43] Macintosh. I'm president of Billsburg
Area Soccer Club. uh Daryl Stlair who is
[1:02:48] our fields director. And on top of the
um the remote lighting fixtures that we
[1:02:56] use annually to help facilitate soccer
practices for kids in our community, um
[1:03:01] we've come across an opportunity to
implement a capital improvement to
[1:03:05] Chestnut. Um, this would include a
series of lights that would be
[1:03:10] permanently fixed to the ground and
provide a more permanent um, ability for
[1:03:16] us to provide that soccer to kids in the
evenings. Um, the capital to make this
[1:03:23] improvement is rather significant. Um,
the maintenance of said lights we would
[1:03:29] be looking to take responsibility of.
Um, and in return for that investment in
[1:03:35] the community, we were hoping to have
some guarantees of of use of the fields
[1:03:38] for our kids that play soccer. Um, and
so we were looking for
[1:03:44] both the some advice from the solicitor
um, and any sort of guidance that you
[1:03:50] would have as a board of supervisors to
our organization to implement this in
[1:03:55] such a way that is agreeable to you. um
a huge benefit to the community but also
[1:04:00] an important resource to build soccer
club to implement our soccer programs.
[1:04:06] » Yeah. So Mr. Solicer in this case is
there a type of like possible lease
[1:04:11] agreement or how would we handle it? I
just want to ensure that you know next
[1:04:15] year we say oh it's all lacrosse and
there's soccer next year you know the
[1:04:18] year after they put these lines.
>> Yeah. Um well first of all we have to
[1:04:22] look at your policy. I mean, I don't
know what your is your park policy first
[1:04:26] come first serve.
>> Mhm.
[1:04:28] » Or how does that work or how's that and
and who schedules it?
[1:04:32] » Yeah, it's scheduled through Jessica
here. They put in requests every year.
[1:04:36] Um so yeah, it's kind of a first come
first serve. Now, um other organizations
[1:04:41] come in later and you use it, they
coordinate with the primary user of the
[1:04:46] field. Yeah, I mean I think we could do
a donation agreement and it would have
[1:04:49] to have some language too that you know
if you're doing the work you're going to
[1:04:52] have a contractor licensed contractor
who's doing it they're bonded because
[1:04:56] they start the work and walk off the
site
[1:04:58] » and we're stuck with it and we got to
finish it because you don't want to have
[1:05:02] half done project. So there are ways to
do that and it may be over a period of
[1:05:06] time or kind of amvertises out the price
of the you know improvements because we
[1:05:13] don't want to give it to you forever
either or if you go away you know things
[1:05:17] like that. So um there are certainly
things we can talk about and get in
[1:05:20] place. I've done that and
>> I usually do it more for schools and
[1:05:24] municipalities. you see that more with
where people putting lights on fields
[1:05:28] and turf stadiums and things like that,
but you know, it's for usually the the
[1:05:33] program at the schools. So, certainly
something we can work through.
[1:05:37] » Um, if you guys have some ideas and your
you know, what your spend your spend is
[1:05:41] and so on and so forth.
>> Brandon, who who reserves the field?
[1:05:45] » Reserves as in
>> who who says, "Okay, hey, we want to use
[1:05:48] a field
>> organizations." So, they'll submit
[1:05:51] letters to us um you know, for the next
year's use.
[1:05:55] Um, and I think, you know, the main
question here is, is the board number
[1:06:00] one receptive of the idea? We can iron
out all the legal agreements and the
[1:06:05] details later on. So, if everyone was,
you know, yay or nay, I think that's
[1:06:09] what they're looking for from the board
a feeling as to whether or how they're
[1:06:14] going to proceed with their project.
>> Did anybody checking the the insurance
[1:06:20] liability as far as having lights up
there? Right now, it's shown that
[1:06:24] there's no light. So,
>> it would probably increase our insurance
[1:06:27] cost because it could be occupied a lot
much longer. But, I don't I wouldn't
[1:06:32] expect that that's a huge deal.
[clears throat] Um,
[1:06:35] most of school districts I work with who
have school have lights don't I mean,
[1:06:40] » they just add lights and they're
insured. So, it's not a horrible
[1:06:43] expense. On top of that,
>> yeah, I'm an insurance agent. I
[1:06:47] [laughter] don't think the time frame in
which uh you'd be increasing the
[1:06:50] exposure of use of the fields would
really uh create a significant cost to
[1:06:56] the community or to the board I should
say. Um for that matter we drafted a
[1:07:03] very rough lease to just try to start
the process of what we were thinking
[1:07:07] about. And in that draft, we included a
sort of um you know, hold harmless for
[1:07:15] the community. So that whatever
maintenance requirements and
[1:07:19] responsibilities we had, whatever uh
responsibility we had for allowing folks
[1:07:25] to use those lights would be on the club
and we would incur the cost of whatever
[1:07:29] that insurance increase would be. And in
the building like the I mean I don't
[1:07:34] know how much electric they're going to
use but I'm pretty sure they're going to
[1:07:36] use a lot of electric
>> that I don't know. I don't have a type
[1:07:41] of lights you put in
LED.
[1:07:46] » Okay. And then are you doing both
fields? The upper and the lower.
[1:07:50] » Just the upper.
>> Just one field to begin with. Okay.
[1:07:54] » The lower.
>> Okay. So the one the one down on the
[1:07:58] bottom level.
>> Correct.
[1:08:00] » Okay. Okay. What is you don't have to
share that if you don't want to but what
[1:08:03] is the cost but the to do lights have
you already received a quote
[1:08:06] » yeah so we received a quote from J Ka
licensed contractor who's willing to
[1:08:11] partner with the organization we've
received three different quotes for
[1:08:15] different levels of lighting uh they
start they range anywhere from 40 grand
[1:08:20] to 110 grand
>> okay for the one [clears throat] field
[1:08:24] » for the one field
>> right okay
[1:08:26] » and with that if the tenure could go
with that we would amend our part rules
[1:08:29] by where We have an ordinance for the
parks that would dictate that the
[1:08:33] lights,
>> right?
[1:08:37] » Yeah.
>> There would have [clears throat] to be
[1:08:38] some provision on the ownership of the
lights should the association dissolve.
[1:08:44] » You know, so
on to the
[1:08:48] » parking lot's not light. Will the lights
be bright enough to provide safety from
[1:08:54] the field to the parking lot?
>> That's a great question. I think our
[1:08:58] main focus has been to reduce or limit
the amount of light pollution so as not
[1:09:03] to harm the experience of folks who live
nearby. But um if there was some sort of
[1:09:10] » But isn't there a call there from that
field to be pretty good and get to the
[1:09:15] parking lot?
>> There is a call right there. Correct.
[1:09:19] » We are playing in the dark now with
temporary lights.
[1:09:23] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. And I do believe that that
[1:09:26] depending on where the light's at that
will open up the light to that parking
[1:09:29] lot.
[1:09:33] » So are you is Kuba are they working with
with some of the light guys who like
[1:09:40] have it directed and so it's shielded so
it's just on the field and not spilling
[1:09:44] out. I assume you're doing that because
that's what all the schools do. Yeah.
[1:09:47] Yeah. He's uh Jay Ka is working with his
lighting engineers who provide the
[1:09:54] service to school system.
>> Yeah. And there would still and I I
[1:09:58] spoke with these gentlemen about it. I
mean there still be a zoning permit and
[1:10:02] we'd review the photoometric plan to
make sure there's no trespassing light
[1:10:05] on the you know adjacent properties.
>> Yeah. Because whether there is or not
[1:10:10] someone will say there is.
>> Oh yeah.
[1:10:13] That's what I'm wondering because if
you're on the lower level, you're
[1:10:16] actually closer
>> right
[1:10:17] » to I mean those houses are a little bit
right there, but if you're in the upper,
[1:10:20] it's kind there's that little bit of a
>> there are houses back there, but there's
[1:10:24] a tree line that kind of
>> Yeah.
[1:10:26] » Yeah.
>> So, you're looking at next week
[1:10:29] basically an approval to use the
temporary lights and then the permit
[1:10:35] structure just a different it'll be a
different topic at different time once
[1:10:38] the review.
>> Correct. Okay. And and that would
[1:10:41] include the conduit running the lines
and everything for electric.
[1:10:45] » Uh yeah, that would include full sight
fit.
[1:10:50] » Yeah.
>> Um we I guess the only other question we
[1:10:55] would have is is what what all would you
need from us to bring uh bring us to the
[1:11:01] board for a formal vote? Presuming we
need to work with you, David, in some
[1:11:06] capacity. Yeah, I I think you just put
together kind of a bar like what you
[1:11:11] want like what your terms are so to
speak and we can work through that. It's
[1:11:14] not yet and then the pricing and
whatever you need. Um yeah, I just want
[1:11:19] to make sure that we're covered on the
back end in case something happens or
[1:11:24] they're very reputable contractor. I'm
familiar with them and you know I guess
[1:11:28] you have the money raised or you have
pledges for the money or what what's
[1:11:34] » yeah we we have the money in our
reserves to handle our portion of the
[1:11:38] contribution in this case Jeff call that
is providing his own
[1:11:44] » um
[1:11:47] » contribution
[clears throat]
[1:11:49] » yeah so our sol goes through that and he
would then provide um advisory to the
[1:11:55] forward on on that then it would go up
to a vote.
[1:11:59] » Yeah. So the whatever agreement you put
the terms on and a photo plan we have
[1:12:04] something that tie the agreement too.
>> Right.
[1:12:07] » Okay.
[1:12:10] You said
[1:12:14] anything to me and I can get it and the
permit from the contractor would follow.
[1:12:19] » Yeah. after board approval and then get
a permit into the township for the
[1:12:23] actual electrical purpose.
>> And were you looking to have this done
[1:12:26] for this year or is this a 2027?
>> Um, we wouldn't be interested in
[1:12:31] breaking ground on a project like this
until after our annual tournament. So
[1:12:36] that would put us into late October. And
I'm not even so sure the
[1:12:43] » comfortable starting the project then.
So I don't know exactly.
[1:12:49] But um
>> yeah talking about an ex.
[1:12:56] So
>> yeah in the meantime you have the
[1:12:59] temporary
>> you've been great. Thank you so much.
[1:13:03] Congratulations on your achievements.
Thank you for your service.
[1:13:08] » Good. Yep.
>> Thank you.
[1:13:12] Okay.
>> Update on the proposed northern New York
[1:13:15] County Fire Rescue agreements.
[1:13:19] There still needs to be work done on
that. Okay. All right. Um and then
[1:13:24] resolution number 202619 of the board of
supervisors Carol Town of York County,
[1:13:28] Pennsylvania providing for the
supplemental appropriations
[1:13:32] on the budget to add 64,000 on light
item
[1:13:36] 500. Oh, you're still working on that as
well?
[1:13:40] » Yeah, I think we tabled that pending.
>> Okay. table accepting of the table.
[1:13:48] » Okay. And then the Logan Park, I know
that you did send an email out for us to
[1:13:54] be able to meet with them. I know we
haven't heard back from them yet. I just
[1:13:57] checked.
>> Yeah, I I haven't heard anything back on
[1:14:00] that yet.
>> Okay. So, hopefully that's coming up
[1:14:03] soon.
>> Yeah. Okay. And then let's see. The 457
[1:14:08] plan, Langen Group Financial needs an
agreement signed because they changed
[1:14:11] their name. So, it's just a name name
change on that.
[1:14:15] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[1:14:18] » On both of those, um, Libby and Brandon,
if they look at the difference in the
[1:14:25] agreement, I saw the agreement, but
>> you know, they're saying it's just a
[1:14:28] name change, but I've been there before
with contract name changes that they
[1:14:33] [clears throat] give you the agreement.
They say, "Well, it's just a name
[1:14:35] change." and they actually did change
something in agreements. I would highly
[1:14:38] recommend
>> take a look at that
[1:14:39] » both agreements. I mean, you could run
it through AI.
[1:14:42] » Okay.
>> And u if you want help, I can do that
[1:14:45] for you. Um just to see what the
difference is between the agreement with
[1:14:49] the old name and the agreement with the
new name to see if there's anything in
[1:14:52] there just to protect us.
[1:14:57] » That was on there twice. Oh, that's for
both the uniform and unifor. Okay,
[1:15:01] perfect.
[1:15:04] So 12 and 13 actually or 20 22 and 23
actually have go [clears throat] hand in
[1:15:10] hand. Okay. Um let's see and then we
have to set our budget work session
[1:15:14] meetings for October. So um Brandon and
Fay had given us some possibilities
[1:15:21] here. Um we usually need two but don't
we usually schedule three just in case?
[1:15:27] » We should put three in. If we don't need
three then at least
[1:15:30] » take it out. Okay. So try and figure out
get some availability from Frank
[1:15:36] um and in availability. So I'd be
looking at the 6th or 7th of October for
[1:15:43] the first one.
>> Is there any reason that this has to be
[1:15:45] done in October? Is there any reason we
can't start working on it in September?
[1:15:50] » Well, I don't have all the figures. I
don't have the insurance figures yet.
[1:15:54] the insurance is going to cost and we
don't have the unemployment
[1:16:00] um PAX unemployment rate if it's going
to stay the way it is or if that's going
[1:16:04] to go higher usually by the the middle
to the end of September when we have all
[1:16:11] that information
>> because I'm I'm going to be out of town
[1:16:17] the second half of October. So,
what date you what day are you starting?
[1:16:23] 17th.
What date are you leaving? 13th. 13th.
[1:16:30] » And are you going to be back in October?
No. Okay. We only need what? Two people,
[1:16:36] right? We only need two supervisors.
>> Three.
[1:16:40] » Okay.
>> Three, right?
[1:16:42] I mean, [clears throat] I would suggest,
you know, if um Libby um Dave and Brent,
[1:16:48] if you could email Brandon the dates
you're not available.
[1:16:52] » Mhm.
>> I mean, I figure that's why I emailed to
[1:16:55] Brandon. That way, he can kind of look
at all of it and then he can come up.
[1:16:58] Okay, here are the dates, guys, that
we've got at least three or more. I can
[1:17:02] make the budget meeting.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, if everybody gets their
[1:17:07] availility to me, I'll just compile them
and we can set the date next week, too,
[1:17:12] because Brad will be back.
>> And while I'm out of town, I I still can
[1:17:18] I could participate via Zoom or phone.
That's correct.
[1:17:22] » Yeah.
>> Um because I would like to to stay in
[1:17:26] touch with this process.
>> So, as of right now, I think the seventh
[1:17:32] is good. the the first one. That's
right.
[1:17:42] » So, so yeah, maybe the 7th. Uh, everyone
here, I would see. So, maybe that would
[1:17:48] be the first day we can lock in here.
>> Um,
[1:17:50] » yeah. And then what else do we have?
13th or the 15th? You're leaving on the
[1:17:55] 13th?
[1:17:59] So the 14th we have a meeting here a
mining history meeting. So the 14th
[1:18:03] south it would be the 15th would be the
only other [snorts] open date in that
[1:18:09] week
[1:18:16] » and being hopeful if we do some fairly
long u
[1:18:23] we can talk about you know some certain
things beforehand if there's questions
[1:18:26] we can iron some stuff out before these
meetings and then when we get in here if
[1:18:30] we have two long nights I hopeful we can
get it done in two.
[1:18:33] » Yeah.
>> Um but we should plan on three. But um
[1:18:39] I'll get with a friend and we'll we'll
see what the other dates are.
[1:18:42] » Okay.
[1:18:45] » I should be good for
[1:18:52] » Okay.
[1:18:56] Stony Stony Run Village subdivision plan
set agreement.
[1:19:03] Um,
so this was sort of discussed in
[1:19:06] executive session. Um, we have a draft
settlement agreement to settle settle
[1:19:10] the uh the commonwealth court and that
would revol revi require a revised land
[1:19:16] development plan to be submitted. Excuse
me for one second. Chief, you hold up
[1:19:21] before you left. I didn't know he was
going to leave. Um, I did want to at
[1:19:25] least publicly
um thank uh the chief uh the police
[1:19:30] department um nor the York Fire and
Rescue for all the time, effort that you
[1:19:35] guys put into that accident on 15. Um
[clears throat] that was a pretty
[1:19:39] horrific accident. Um 14 people injured,
critically injured, uh being
[1:19:44] lifellighted. Um five different
hospitals. Um, you know, I commend your
[1:19:50] team, your staff, you know, the um
dedication that they [clears throat] had
[1:19:54] in that accident and the continued
investigation as well as uh York Fire
[1:19:58] and Rescue for all their time that they
spent on that accident and trying to get
[1:20:03] it safety done first, you know, clean up
done second, and getting the road back
[1:20:07] open. So, thank you to you and your crew
and Northern Regional The on uh Northern
[1:20:13] York. Um, I really do appreciate what
you guys did for for our residents and
[1:20:18] the people on Route 15 that involved in
that accident. Thank you.
[1:20:22] » Thank you. I appreciate that. It really
was it was bad. It was horrific. So,
[1:20:25] » yeah,
>> appreciate that.
[1:20:27] » Okay. [clears throat] Sorry, Dave.
>> Okay, no problem.
[1:20:29] » Want to get that.
>> So, so again, a proposed settlement
[1:20:32] agreement for the Commonwealth Court
appeal on the Stony Run Village
[1:20:35] subdivision plan uh project. Um, it
require it requires a revised land
[1:20:41] development plan to come in. in general
remove the um the emergency access onto
[1:20:47] Hartman Lane. So Hartman Lane would no
longer be accessed from this development
[1:20:51] in any way. Um it would have uh the
streets of this proposed development
[1:20:56] being offered for dedication as pri as
as public streets and the developer
[1:21:01] would essentially wave any and all
claims with regard to the denial of the
[1:21:04] plan in the first place which there's
some some potential risks and
[1:21:09] liabilities uh in the decision when the
decision is drafted um in their favor
[1:21:15] and it would really have minimum uh cost
implications to the township.
[1:21:21] So, um, we discussed that. There's a red
line that the the, uh, developers put in
[1:21:26] front of us. We discussed that this
evening, executive session. I'm going to
[1:21:29] run that back by them and and make sure
that that's okay. Um, Brandon's reviewed
[1:21:34] the revised land development plan. Got
back to them with comments as well. So,
[1:21:37] that will be on the agenda for next
month's meeting or next week's meeting.
[1:21:42] » See? Okay. So, uh, the next is set
public hearing for proposed ordinance
[1:21:46] number 2026 258.
>> Yes. So, this is the one that
[1:21:51] » the ordinance for the overall ordinance
changes.
[1:21:54] » So, um I would propose we would set that
for October 12th prior to our meeting at
[1:22:00] 5:30.
>> So, October 12th.
[1:22:04] » Um are we off that day? That's
deciduous people's day.
[1:22:11] » We're here.
We don't have problems.
[1:22:14] » Yeah, we're we're here.
[1:22:19] » Trying to be politically correct.
>> So, we said that then we would advertise
[1:22:24] » 5:30.
>> Yeah. 5:30.
[1:22:26] » Okay.
>> So, you said October 12th
[1:22:29] » at 5:30.
>> Yes.
[1:22:32] » That's the public hearing.
>> Y
[1:22:38] made the motion.
>> Correct. Yeah. Just want to make sure
[1:22:41] they preemptively get it in the
calendar.
[1:22:45] » Determined if we can switch the next I
think we have uh our last two folks in
[1:22:49] here from 291.
>> Which one? What? 20
[1:22:52] » 291 Campground Road.
>> Okay. Yep. Okay. Yep. The 291 campground
[1:22:56] roading tank.
>> Correct.
[1:22:58] » That's doing the fee, right? That Oh,
there's the check.
[1:23:04] » Uh so I had sent everyone an email. I
just wanted to thank you for giving that
[1:23:08] to me and helping me
>> push the green button and then say your
[1:23:11] address.
>> Oh. Uh 291 Campground Road in Gillsburg.
[1:23:15] Um I wanted to thank you guys for
helping me figure out this process. Uh
[1:23:19] it's been a little frustrating with the
SEO not understanding what we needed to
[1:23:23] get done. Um but Brandon especially has
been very helpful.
[1:23:27] » Oh, Brandon. Awesome.
>> So, so a little background. Um this lot
[1:23:32] is very small. Um it's part of you know
the mountainside colony. uh they're very
[1:23:36] small. There's not enough room for a
conventional system or any kind of
[1:23:39] sandbank. So, uh in talking with the
SEO, there's no other option other than
[1:23:43] a holding tank. We do have an ordinance
that kind of prohibits them. Uh but if
[1:23:48] there's circumstances that would, you
know, be conducive to this and they the
[1:23:53] applicant would provide us with all the
stuff which the check here completes
[1:23:57] everything. I did receive everything
from these folks regarding this. I was
[1:24:02] wondering why it was on the agenda and I
was wondering if it was for that reason
[1:24:05] because we don't have the ordinance for
we won't allow holding tanks. Correct.
[1:24:08] But I mean have have we had instances
like this before? We have a holding tank
[1:24:12] within township granted.
>> We did. The most recent one was for
[1:24:15] Wickcom. I think it was like 2018. He
had a temporary one for an office
[1:24:19] building there and he followed the same
procedure.
[1:24:22] » Do we escrow any money to ensure that it
does get moved or pumped?
[1:24:26] » $4,000. Uh there's an escrow and that
guarantees us 9 months of pumping. Okay.
[1:24:31] Do a legal process if you know that was
in the process. Okay.
[1:24:36] » If he would sell um a transfer would
post that that money.
[1:24:41] » Got it. Okay. Thank you. [clears throat]
>> Thank you. Thank you very much.
[1:24:45] » Thank you.
>> And then 187 Stony Road. That's same
[1:24:49] thing. That's the same.
>> Yeah. So
[1:24:52] » I just wish
>> they're not here today. It's the same
[1:24:54] thing. There's still a couple items
outstanding. Hopefully I get by next
[1:24:58] week. Um or we can talk about a
conditional approval. They don't have
[1:25:03] everything to me by that point. That's
the same same thing. A small lot.
[1:25:07] There's a lot of wetlands on the lot, so
it's unable to park correctly. It's a
[1:25:11] little larger lot than this, but it's
still not to the size to get a system in
[1:25:15] there.
>> They pay monthly.
[1:25:18] » Yeah, this would be well monthly or as
needed. You know, once it reaches
[1:25:22] certain level, then it would I think
there's in the design there's a bring in
[1:25:27] our alarm
light and stuff that triggers the fire.
[1:25:33] I think it's at 75% capacity.
>> Okay. Um, one other thing on the on this
[1:25:38] situation on both of them and I both of
them are on small lots. Is that correct?
[1:25:44] » Yes.
>> And they can't put a system on that. But
[1:25:48] um
I I [clears throat] know in the past
[1:25:52] there there's been situations like that
and there were u
[1:25:58] uh I mean I'd say adjustments and let
them put on some kind of training field.
[1:26:04] It may not be up to snuff but as long as
it's working but there is not up to
[1:26:09] snuff when it involves these and D. you
can't do something that you either do
[1:26:15] meet the requirements of B and we're in
or act 537 or you do not. So in talking
[1:26:21] with the SEO, there's no repairs that
can be done to these systems to make
[1:26:25] them make compliance.
>> Okay. I I was just looking for another
[1:26:31] way to make this work because these guys
aren't fighting this. Um you know,
[1:26:36] they're going through the procedures. So
>> do you know anybody who's got a holding
[1:26:39] tank?
Betty Lau.
[1:26:42] » No, that's an experimental and it's a
small floating treatment.
[1:26:45] » No, not Betty Lard up in the mountain.
>> Oh, the cow was there. Yeah. So, there
[1:26:50] is another one adjacent to the one
the cost to maintain one of those
[1:26:56] things. You could put in a sand mount
with no problem. I mean, it's very
[1:27:01] expensive.
>> Yes, it's a concrete pack, but there's
[1:27:06] no maintenance really.
>> Well, no, I'm talking about getting
[1:27:09] pumped The the problem is is there's no
requirements that they can be met for
[1:27:14] the sand mount on the pro property is
what they're said what's being said.
[1:27:20] » Yeah. There's no system feasibly that
can go into these lots and and work.
[1:27:27] » Uh you know I know I knew that years
back they made
[1:27:32] adjustments to try to get something in
and I know some of these systems are
[1:27:37] still working. That's why, you know,
Steve, the problem is is that every
[1:27:42] every that goes on, storm water and
sanitary requirements get harder and
[1:27:46] harder to meet and stricter and
stricter. So, D said at one time may
[1:27:50] have said yes, but they no longer say
yes to those sort of situations.
[1:27:54] » And we do have an SEO who's listener.
It's one of our professionals that we
[1:27:58] entrust to
he's stating that there is no other
[1:28:03] option in his opinion for these laws.
Uh, It's a shame.
[1:28:10] » Um, [clears throat] so we have the next
we have is basic EOP, the emergency
[1:28:13] operations plan. We just have to do the
re reapproval for that.
[1:28:16] » Yeah, that's every uh two years I
believe.
[1:28:18] » Yes.
>> It's just the same plan, just a
[1:28:21] reapproval.
>> That is correct. Okay. Okay.
[1:28:23] [clears throat]
Next we have resolution number 202624
[1:28:28] for the board of supervisors authorizing
sign of local share account category for
[1:28:32] facilities program in the amount of
$156,69
[1:28:35] from the commonwealth financial
authority to be used to purchase the
[1:28:40] Massie Ferguson mowing tractor.
>> Yeah. So so I became aware that the LSA
[1:28:46] they can potentially fund equipment uh
through the LSA category 4. Um, so the
[1:28:53] deadline's the end of September here. I
got this ready to go borrowing
[1:28:57] signature. The only thing with this I
was going to put in for the small
[1:29:01] tractor in the regular budget next year.
In the meantime, uh, I figured we'd
[1:29:05] throw a grant application at this and
see what happens.
[1:29:10] The only weird thing with this is the
award is generally September the
[1:29:15] following year.
>> Okay.
[1:29:16] » So, you might may not know until then. I
spoke with the coast of DC
[1:29:22] for more complex projects that's pushed
out to September. They want to give me a
[1:29:27] date basically. We can go maybe mid year
around mid year for something simple as
[1:29:31] a oneoff one buy. Um so either way I
would still budget this as a expenditure
[1:29:40] not as anything getting as a revenue for
this. So it is a grant that you're
[1:29:44] applying for through
>> yeah it's a no match grant so it would
[1:29:49] be fully funded if it is awarded.
>> So budget the expense because you need
[1:29:53] it anyway but it's not a grant. Okay
[clears throat]
[1:29:59] » it it's still here. Um we're putting a
lot of money into it most of our budget
[1:30:03] for our whole fleet. Uh we've had
transmission problems. Uh the mower the
[1:30:09] side mount mowers uh we had to get a
whole new frame for it because just the
[1:30:14] stress of that thing over six 18 years
uh you know up and down it gets we have
[1:30:20] a lot of stretch fractures in in the
metal. We've had it repaired numerous
[1:30:25] times. So it's just starting to nickle
and
[1:30:28] they'll go for auction.
>> Yeah, we put it out on municip I
[1:30:32] believe.
>> Um we do have a loader for it. So, um I
[1:30:36] talked with the guy uh from Stevenson or
from Stevenson Equipment. They said
[1:30:41] 35,000 uh is what they probably give for
it that they get back. So, I'm thinking
[1:30:46] this we would get even more than that
for it. It is in decent looking shape.
[1:30:51] Uh now if somebody's using it as a
roadside mower, it's, you know, it's
[1:30:55] it's going to be um need maintenance,
but if somebody's using it occasionally,
[1:31:00] a homeowner or somebody might be a
perfect.
[1:31:06] » Okay.
Uh then we have 31 August 3rd for
[1:31:13] supervisor event minutes. Then we have
August 10th order supervisor minutes.
[1:31:18] And then our zoning report. Brandon,
there's no report.
[1:31:22] » Any addition items to be discussed?
>> You knew?
[1:31:27] » Yes, I did.
>> Okay. I'm glad you're sitting down.
[1:31:32] We're in record time here. 30 33 items.
>> We're doing good.
[1:31:38] I won't run it too long.
>> I'm glad you're sitting down, Brand.
[1:31:46] um these [clears throat]
uh flowering pear trees that we got in
[1:31:52] the township.
Um the there's a a good bit of stony or
[1:32:00] not stony. Um
um
[1:32:05] [clears throat]
>> are you talking about the Bradford
[1:32:07] pairs?
>> I I thought they were called flowering
[1:32:10] pairs.
>> Bradford
[1:32:12] Bradford. Okay. The ones that are out.
Yeah, the invasive ones. Yeah.
[1:32:17] » Um I I was over at Sandra.
She had uh her trees cut down and u I
[1:32:26] was [clears throat] uh looking at what
they did
[1:32:31] and where the the flowering or the pear
tree where the pear tree is and I can
[1:32:39] see why they outlot them and that is the
the tan bark around the tree.
[1:32:46] There's things coming out about like my
finger about this high
[1:32:52] » and they got leaves on it.
>> It looks like a hedge coming
[1:32:57] [clears throat]
>> and it looks like it would grow a hedge
[1:33:00] clean around the tree. tree was cut down
and all the other trees cut down. And I
[1:33:07] happened to look at that one along with
the other ones and there's something
[1:33:12] like sap coming out of the trunk of the
tree sealing off the top. This thing's
[1:33:19] trying to trying to keep living and
running these stems up.
[1:33:22] And then when I left, I I went up the
hill past Sanders
[1:33:29] and turned to the right and came around
to to loop around to go home. And up
[1:33:35] there, I see them this high coming out
of the can.
[1:33:39] » Mhm.
>> These things got to go. These things are
[1:33:41] like bamboo.
You everyone in the township should be
[1:33:46] torn out right away as fast as they can
get it cuz this is going to be a
[1:33:50] [clears throat] mess. Those are called
suckers, Dave.
[1:33:53] » Well, I know they're suckers, but
they're going to be trees.
[1:33:55] » I had I had to pull mine out with a
tractor.
[1:33:57] » Yeah, we we cut them down regularly.
>> Yeah.
[1:34:00] » Yeah. I I think we should get on it
somehow.
[1:34:03] » I did replace it with another tree.
>> What do you What do you mean by get on
[1:34:07] it?
[1:34:11] » We can't Mandy that people remove those
trees. Well, I don't know how to
[1:34:18] homeowner, you know, to do anything
about this.
[1:34:23] » Replace mine.
>> The next thing they'll say is you're
[1:34:27] going to pay to replace mine.
>> Mhm.
[1:34:30] » Well, I I don't know what to say that
they're out of hand and it's going to
[1:34:34] [clears throat] be a big problem down
the road depending on
[1:34:37] » it. All Bradford cars
as far as I can see. You got a couple
[1:34:43] there's there's other other specimens
that do that as well.
[1:34:47] » We have them out from here and every
year we had the suckers and we put some
[1:34:50] spray on the ground and it ends up for a
year. I mean it's it's just part of
[1:34:54] having those trees. I mean it's it's
amazing. If you don't maintain it it's
[1:34:58] going to look like that, Dave. I mean
that's just the way those trees are.
[1:35:02] » So they should have come off of the
preferred tree list before they did if
[1:35:06] they've been taken off yet. But
>> but they were part of the preferred
[1:35:11] trees that were listed in the ordinance
>> for too.
[1:35:15] » Yeah.
>> Well, but they were on the but they were
[1:35:17] on the ordinance as a they were in the
preferred tree
[1:35:20] » at that time. They they weren't by the
state, you know, the extension. They
[1:35:24] weren't all in any invasive list. Well,
they were on the invasive list before
[1:35:30] they came off the ordinance, but
>> it's
[1:35:38] Yeah, I mean,
>> they're there. So, I mean,
[1:35:41] » these these things are going to, you
know, the mile a minute stuff.
[1:35:47] » These are worse than that by
>> It comes down to to maintenance. We have
[1:35:51] them here. We maintain them. It's not a
problem. I mean, if they do that every
[1:35:54] year, you maintain them now. people
under control. That's, you know, it's
[1:35:58] » Can [clears throat] I get a motion to
adjourn?
[1:36:01] » You might get I get something else.
>> Okay.
[1:36:04] » You think you're getting it all easy?
>> Yes. [laughter]
[1:36:08] » Uh
I uh like I said before, I was over at
[1:36:13] Woods Road for 9 days. I ran into a girl
that I know that did the ice cream and
[1:36:21] I' I'm a member there for 30 years, so
I've known her a long time. and didn't
[1:36:26] really know her name or anything. I just
>> No, her name's Haley.
[1:36:33] » Um
I I was talking to her and I said, "How
[1:36:37] come you're here at the ice cream stand
at 5:00?" She said, "I got two jobs I go
[1:36:41] to and plus this." And I said, "Why?"
She said, "Because of paying her college
[1:36:46] tuition."
>> Okay. So, I got to talk to her and I
[1:36:51] found out that she went to college to be
an engineer
[1:36:55] and she's the kind of engineer
um uh like you have in a township.
[1:37:02] And I got talking with her a little bit,
but she says she doesn't do that kind of
[1:37:06] work. She works for Penoni.
And um what she does is she works
[1:37:13] uh for them, but she gets paid by Pendot
and she's paid to uh do research on
[1:37:22] roads in townships. It doesn't cost the
township anything.
[1:37:28] She she does stuff like uh
[clears throat] checking how much
[1:37:31] traffic there is and and uh whether the
road is needed or whatever and if it if
[1:37:38] it's a road that isn't there
uh she can recommend to pend on to put
[1:37:45] you know to put it on the list to put a
road there. So these roads that we need
[1:37:50] for interchanges, which are going to go
up in smoke here within the next 5
[1:37:55] years, if we can get them to come in for
free and lay out these roads that we
[1:38:02] need so that nobody builds on them, so
we got them when we need them in, you
[1:38:09] know, 5 years. We need interchanges.
>> No offense, D. Didn't we just do a
[1:38:13] comprehensive plan?
>> Yeah, but guess what? This this puts
[1:38:17] clout in it.
>> Can she come in and give us a
[1:38:20] presentation on what she can offer the
township?
[1:38:23] » I Yes, I could get her in. I was just,
you know, one other thing with u uh me
[1:38:31] and ye blue.
Uh you know, because her outfit is very
[1:38:37] similar to this to the Benoni.
[clears throat]
[1:38:39] Maybe we should have one of her people.
I don't know.
[1:38:44] Um, I know that um that uh this girl's
name is Haley Chavik
[1:38:49] and uh she that's what she does and I
can find out but I don't know if uh uh
[1:38:57] and you have to see the scope of what
what that is because yes there's
[1:39:00] companies that do traffic studies as far
as traffic counts and stuff. It's not
[1:39:05] designing roads and and doing studies.
>> [clears throat]
[1:39:10] » I'd like to, you know, see what the
specifics are because I don't think
[1:39:14] they'd come in and design a route 15
bypass and look at it. They're not doing
[1:39:19] traffic counts, you know, intersection,
uh, crash data reports, stuff like that.
[1:39:23] I know, you know, that type of stuff.
Well, the like for um the drawings that
[1:39:28] we have in our comp plan, she she could
look at this stuff, look where the roads
[1:39:34] go, figure that's the best way or
another know the roots better or
[1:39:38] whatever it is and then recommend
hear from her if that's what she can do
[1:39:44] because we don't really know what she
can do.
[1:39:47] We met with PennDOT right after they had
the whole presentation about Route 15
[1:39:51] resurfacing and and redoing in the next
couple coming up the next couple years.
[1:39:55] And all three of those interchanges that
are in the comp plan are have been and
[1:39:59] are in front of not only the PENDOT but
your county uh planning commission.
[1:40:04] Okay. And uh that's been vetted and not
really approved, quasi approved, but um
[1:40:10] it's already been down the pipe long
enough to where the York County Planning
[1:40:14] Commission representative basically is
telling us that you we are so far ahead
[1:40:18] of having those projects in the pipeline
to be able to get uh approved by PENDOT.
[1:40:24] Okay.
>> So um this might get us the approval.
[1:40:29] That wouldn't it would it would have to
if it if she did came up with some other
[1:40:33] idea it would be at the very bottom of
the list of projects which would be
[1:40:37] probably 20 plus years out
>> and they're not going to require the
[1:40:41] rightway until they're ready to fund the
project which
[1:40:44] » that doesn't help us on
>> no matter what is going to say what's
[1:40:49] going to happen with the interchange
nobody else no consultant not even our
[1:40:54] county planning commission it'll be
pendot that makes the final approval
[1:40:59] present to present something.
[clears throat]
[1:41:01] » I see the way I understand it, the roads
we got now, there's going to be a
[1:41:06] development going across one of them.
>> When those roads are gone in 5 years,
[1:41:12] we're done.
>> There there is not going to be anything
[1:41:16] but these [clears throat] new entrance
deel deceleration grants and
[1:41:22] acceleration ramps. And we're going to
be looking, if they were put in right
[1:41:26] now, it would help a little bit, but
we're looking at a disaster. And this is
[1:41:32] a disaster for this town. The Route 15
in Carol Township is super important
[1:41:39] because of the businesses on it. And we
get a lot of revenue off of that. That's
[1:41:44] going to all be destroyed. And Pendot's
having a ball doing it. If we don't do
[1:41:49] something to stop it and get this fixed,
we're going to be in big trouble. We're
[1:41:54] already in big trouble because it should
have had a bypass drawn up for nothing
[1:41:59] back in the '90s. That would have been
land that was bought. They start buying
[1:42:03] land to do the bypass when it was
necessary. Well, guess what? We don't
[1:42:08] got nothing. There's no plan. It's it's
nothing but a band-aid to hold us for 5
[1:42:14] years. And at the end of the 5 years, we
might as well not even have it. We we,
[1:42:19] you know, in a way, you know, if you're
talking to Dave and that, we might as
[1:42:23] well go out and encourage all the
building we can get. Eventually,
[1:42:27] somebody important from the state might
live in this area that can't get to work
[1:42:33] and maybe we'll get something, but the
only way we're going to get it is start
[1:42:37] tearing homes down. And that's where
we're at. And I don't like that. as
[1:42:41] residents homes.
I, you know, something should be done. I
[1:42:47] mean, we can't let this go.
>> Yeah.
[1:42:49] » Thank you.
>> I And I I've already, you know, backing
[1:42:53] up here a little bit, already checked
with Donkeeper's office. Uh I got some
[1:42:58] names uh of people from Harrisburg in um
uh [clears throat] the state government
[1:43:07] to try and get some help. I haven't
gotten anywhere with it yet, but if I
[1:43:12] get something, I can let everybody know
and then we can decide to go on it. But,
[1:43:17] uh, we got to get something moving.
There's just absolutely nothing here to
[1:43:22] look forward to.
>> Okay. Uh, let's see. Can I have a motion
[1:43:26] to adjurnn?
>> I'll make a motion to
[1:43:29] » make a second.
>> Second.
[1:43:31] » Any discussion?
>> Ajourned.