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To the republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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My apologies to the people who are trying to watch the

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broadcast tonight. The technology is a wonderful

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thing except for when it doesn't want to work.

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But we're up and running now.

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Gail, roll call, please.

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Mr. Carr?

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Mr. White?

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Dr. Schubring?

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Mr. Gilbert?

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Mr. Harris?

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Mr. Lillard?

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Mr. Matthews?

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Mr. Pikulski?

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Ms. Emma Simmons?

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First item of business is the minutes

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of our June 9, 2026 meeting. Do we have a motion to

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Motion to approve.

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All in favor, say aye.

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It's unanimous, Gail.

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Thank you.

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Open to the public.

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Let's see.

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Bruce,

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17 Susan Trail?

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That's me.

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Good afternoon, folks.

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As usual, I only show up when I'm concerned about something.

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I noticed there's reference to

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mobile homes

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in Carroll Valley.

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I understand. I've already read that

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fine piece of legislation you prepared.

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I, for one, as someone that has three

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vacant lots around the perimeter of my property, is

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concerned

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that

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you'll allow someone to bring in

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a mobile home and set it up on piers

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and have skirting around it that does not fit the

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rest of the community, especially when two blocks from

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my house,

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they're building a new home

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with a price tag of $670,000.

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And right down the street from that one, there's one that just sold for

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$699,000.

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My house ain't worth $600,000, but I'm concerned

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about the value

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allowing such

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residences like you did on High Trail.

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I believe it's High.

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It's High.

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Yeah. See, I get Hilltop and High mixed up.

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One thing I would like to suggest

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you don't allow any structure that's on a

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metal frame,

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and that'll take care of that type of problem,

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classifies mobile home as a manufactured

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housing, and like most government

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regulations, they

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allow mobile homes not to have the

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necessary six-inch exterior walls and that

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type of construction.

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They have their own little rules about that.

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And I just don't want to see our neighborhood

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decrease in value because of mobile homes.

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We have one. I think we have two, but that one looks more like a

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conventional home.

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Put a clause in there for

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either it have a metal frame,

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a complete concrete

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perimeter foundation for it,

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because sitting on cinder blocks, even though they

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have mortar attached to them, they're sitting on concrete piers.

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wants to see.

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we'll see what happens, right? So

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I was told that Carroll Valley was being forced

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allow mobile homes on separate lots.

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I haven't found it,

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not through the state.

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for listening.

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I'm glad to try to give an explanation.

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However, I fear that it's not going to satisfy you much.

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I'm sure.

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state is involved in any way, but there are

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federal court cases which deem it discrimination

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against single-family homes,

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mobile homes. So

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my understanding of the case law, and I think this is throughout the

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country, is when you allow single-family homes in places,

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their construction type

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isn't the issue. It's whether or not it's a single family living in it.

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Now, with that said, you can prohibit the

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mobile portion of it. So what our rules are

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Even for the house that was mentioned, I've gotten the question about that one in

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particular a lot, is if they take the tongue off

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of it, they take the wheels off of it, literally cut them all

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off, and they permanently attach it to the

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ground, it's not considered a mobile home anymore, it's considered a single

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family home. So I understand

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the concern.

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that are higher than many mobile homes,

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and that was intentional. I've been here that long.

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I can remember that that was put in place in that way.

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You just have to be careful on how you word your regulations,

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because you just can't outwardly discriminate against somebody

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who owns a mobile home,

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because that's federally protected.

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That's all. So I don't know that I've answered the question, but I hear what he's

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saying. But again, not unlike every other type of property use,

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you have to allow that use somewhere in the borough.

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We've talked about that a lot with zoning stuff.

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So you're not allowed to have mobile homes

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everywhere in Carroll Valley

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in our current ordinances.

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if they were to utilize a structure, not unlike the example he mentioned,

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they have to take steps to make it not mobile.

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So Dave, I know exactly which two houses you're talking about.

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They're right around the corner from me.

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I'm sure you're talking about the most is the one that was built without a concrete

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foundation. It's built basically on a deck.

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Right? So that, to me, is not a permanent structure, because at some

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point, 20 years down the road, those are going to fail more than

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likely. We all know that. It's no different than building your deck, and 20

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years out, you're going to have to replace part of it because it's failing.

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drive past that thing often.

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It's terrible. Now, the other one

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that's on the corner down there-

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... that looks more like a traditional home, and I do

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not believe that it was built in the same manner.

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It was built more like you would expect it to be built.

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But this one, that in particular up there on High

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I said when I saw it going up, I said, "I don't know how that got approved

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to be built like that."

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That's a stick build.

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And it is, and it can-

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Mobile home that was brought in on the trailer.

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piers.

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That conforms to uniform construction code.

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That's allowed in the state of Pennsylvania.

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give an opinion on whether or not it'll last forever, because I'm not an expert in

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that field.

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Me either. Common sense.

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But ultimately, we have to comply with the same laws as every other

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municipality in the state of Pennsylvania as it relates to those

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construction techniques.

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The other one is permanently affixed to the ground.

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Are we discussing-

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But we don't have a rule that says you shouldn't have

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skirting, because I think the skirting is what really makes that one jump out.

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Are we discussing manufactured homes, or are we discussing mobile homes?

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Mobile.

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There's no difference according to HUD.

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HUD calls them all manufactured homes.

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mobile homes,

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but now they say they're manufactured homes.

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As far as a removable tongue and the axles, they unfold.

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And this thing, they could still take that thing apart and take it anywhere they

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wanted to if they wanted to move.

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What I was trying to say is if it comes in on a trailer, that framing of the

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trailer is still attached to the bottom of the house.

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That, as mobile homes should be allowed.

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If it's a prefab house that comes in on a trailer, they take

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pieces of it off that are already assembled, and then assemble it on a solid

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foundation.

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what I've looked under the regulations,

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and the PMCA, they're supposed to have someone

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for the mobile home now, the one that doesn't look like a

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trailer, but it's a trailer.

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They're supposed to be certified and licensed with the state just to

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put the thing together,

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and whether they're not certified, I don't know.

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The building inspection stuff, we have PMCA do all that stuff

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for us, so I couldn't speak to really any of the items.

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But the reality is, and regardless

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of, quite frankly, anybody's opinion in the room,

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we have to do what the federal government has said.

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There's case law on it. It's discrimination.

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Single-family home, the only thing you can do is tinker around the

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edges of your rules, like having minimum square footages and things of

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that nature that make it less likely to happen.

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But otherwise-

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Or like any other...

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Which you do

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... You can use your zoning districts.

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Why is the area with

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$600,000, $700,000 homes

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an area where you allow these mobile homes?

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Because according to the federal government, I'll say it one more time.

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According to the federal case law, according to the federal

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government, a mobile home that has had the mobile

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appurtenances removed from it and is permanently affixed to the land is a

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single family home, just like any other.

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And if you

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limit it in any way, it's discrimination.

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Are there any neighborhoods, may I ask you a question?

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Are there any neighborhoods in this borough where

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you won't allow a mobile home set up on an empty lot?

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Once they've removed that stuff, it's not a mobile home.

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Yep. So you're telling me any lot that's

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available in Carroll Valley can have a mobile home installed?

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As long as they take the wheels and tongue off.

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Yeah, if they take the-

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where we allow single family dwellings, the federal government says that

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it's a single family dwelling if they do certain steps to make

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it non-mobile.

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That's the

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law. That governs our whole land.

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don't

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want to give my opinion about whether I agree or disagree.

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But it does create concern about-

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Because you don't even live in Carroll Valley, correct?

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Okay, so this has no impact on you

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personally. Professionally, yes,

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but no impact on you.

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Well, I think whether I live here or not has absolutely no bearing on today's

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conversation.

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Well, yes, it does when decisions are made and laws are written about it.

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Okay. Well, then we'll let the attorney, who also doesn't live in Carroll Valley,

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but also is paid to give them

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understandings of what the law is about whether or not I'm correct.

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Okay. I think where we're-

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Okay, I want to sit down. I understand nothing can be done.

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You're going to go ahead and do it.

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Well-

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And all I will say is-

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What I was going to follow up with is-

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... all you folks have

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completed neighborhoods. You don't have any empty lots next door.

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Oh, I do.

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Oh, I've got three of them that I own.

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I do. I do.

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Okay. Well-

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Right next to my house

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... y'all are putting mobile homes on them.

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Perhaps you would both-

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Perhaps to allay any concerns that he has, you might want to look at

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the minimum square footage requirements again.

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Make sure that in this day and age, that they still work.

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It's been many years since we've put that in place.

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Probably about 20 years ago, so.

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Dave, what about this? I think the reason that one particular house

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catches so much attention is because of the way it was built

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on those pylons, those wooden pylons.

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Could we make a rule or an

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ordinance, whatever it is, to say that it would have to be a concrete

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foundation?

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I would have to look into it. I'm not 100%.

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Actually, I have less than-

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Because-

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... 50% understanding really of what the laws would be for that

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... because I think if it had been built more traditionally like that, it would be

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probably no issue or certainly much less of an issue.

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We can look into it and report back to council.

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Can I-

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I understand that.

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We have some kind of a ordinance that says existing

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or new buildings have to conform to

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appearance.

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No, we can't

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regulate appearances at all,

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but

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I'm trying to think of an instance that might be

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similar.

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I have something.

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If, I think what Bruce was bringing up, I think you're doing it because of

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the advertisement for new Chapter 22,

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correct?

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Yes.

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Okay.

321
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That's all I'm doing. I-

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Chapter 22 isn't even on the agenda tonight, and we haven't

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scheduled the public hearing on it yet.

324
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Yes. Yeah.

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The issue,

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what we can do at this point, as the planning committee,

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and look at what was in old 22

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versus what is in new 22.

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Because 22

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hasn't been finalized.

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So you're raising an issue

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the planning committee could give us some feedback on, so that

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we'll know how does this

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new proposal

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differ from the old proposal?

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When council received it, we saw the whole new, but

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we did not see what was removed

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versus what was added. So really, council can't

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really give you a good answer,

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but Dave has told you what the law is.

341
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Yes.

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So

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the question is,

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does the new document differ from what has been in place for

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a very long time?

346
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I just want to highlight though, that most of what we just talked about is our

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zoning ordinance regulations, not subdivision and land development

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ordinance regulations. Subdivision and land development's references to

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mobile homes are related to mobile home parks, and they are

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only permitted in a-

351
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Okay, so Chapter 22 is only going to be for parks.

352
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That's what I'm hearing.

353
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Mobile home parks.

354
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Parks.

355
00:17:06,075 --> 00:17:07,954
Yes, that's true. Because it's a-

356
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Sir, I can show you right now, because where it says, "Unless they're

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built on the individual property." It states

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that very clearly, more than one time.

359
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Yeah. Yeah.

360
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Okay. I'll come back to the next council meeting instead of dragging it out

361
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through here.

362
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Yeah. Yeah. We-

363
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And I'll have more details

364
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... we're not at the public hearing stage yet.

365
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Okay. I'll wait until the public hearing.

366
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Are we going to have that tonight?

367
00:17:36,254 --> 00:17:37,874
No, it's not on the agenda.

368
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No, it needed to be advertised for a longer period of time, and we're still

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awaiting comments from the Adams County planning department on it.

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So it'll be

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September on the-

372
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Great. Then I'll be back.

373
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But it would-

374
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Mr. President.

375
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That's all right. It gives us something to look at-

376
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Sure

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... in the meantime.

378
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But thank you for your cooperation.

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Mr. President?

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Yes.

381
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I would like to put an addendum to that then.

382
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I don't believe there's anything in our regulation or codes

383
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pertaining to data centers,

384
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and that's becoming a hot item,

385
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and I think it's something that we need to address one way or the other.

386
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Either permit, not permit, or whatever

387
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The first time I thought about it, I said, "Well, we don't have any place that's

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big enough to put a data center."

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And a little bit of research says, "Oh no, all you need is

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about a half an acre."

391
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And so I don't think we talk to that at all in any of

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our ordinances, and I think it's time we do

393
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try to get ahead of the

394
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power curve on that.

395
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Yes, please. I'm from Loudoun County, Virginia.

396
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There is where they have

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95% of the data centers.

398
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Yeah. And that is a

399
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big topic now. Lots of municipalities are working on that, I'm

400
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sure. Zach has been involved in it as well.

401
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Primarily, I would deal with that through your zoning ordinance.

402
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The idea that you don't want any other use that

403
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you realistically don't want to have, you want to use your map and districts-

404
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... makes sense. And then beyond that, what kind of-

405
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That's what he said

406
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... dimensional criteria and whatnot.

407
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They're just examples.

408
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More common in your townships, I think, where there's a little bit more

409
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land.

410
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Zach,

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are data centers defined as commercial?

412
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I don't think your zoning ordinance addresses data centers-

413
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At all

414
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... at all right now.

415
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I agree that-

416
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The point from Mr. Carr would be, I think your point, I don't want to speak for

417
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you, was let's make sure the zoning ordinance addresses it in some way, so

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that if there was

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interest in developing a data center in the borough, you'd have something on the

420
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books to point to and say, "Well, you're restricted to only doing it here, and

421
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you've got to abide by this set of criteria." Whereas right now, there's really

422
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nothing.

423
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Let me ask a different way. So,

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would data centers or any other business, would this

425
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always be considered a business? So that if we have zoned only for

426
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business, it would have to be in a business area. At least we'd have that much.

427
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I

428
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suppose you could try to shoehorn it into some other broader

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commercial or industrial. But the rub there

430
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then is even if that works, you haven't legislated the

431
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lot size,

432
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all the dimensional criteria that you probably would want to sit down and think

433
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about and say, "What are the setbacks for this thing?

434
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What are the height requirements?" So, in other words,

435
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you'd be trying to shoehorn it into something where it probably doesn't fit that

436
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great anyway.

437
00:21:04,662 --> 00:21:08,362
But that's why I think most municipalities have been just

438
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tackling it head on and creating a use in the zoning ordinance, calling it data

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center,

440
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battery energy storage system, as well, and then

441
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putting it right into your zoning ordinance and saying, "Only in this district,

442
00:21:21,482 --> 00:21:25,422
only by conditional exception, and then subject to this

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set of criteria."

444
00:21:26,742 --> 00:21:29,902
Yeah. The three big ones there are noise,

445
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water, and electricity.

446
00:21:32,982 --> 00:21:35,682
We know what that is. We just got to get in front of it.

447
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Yeah.

448
00:21:37,222 --> 00:21:40,702
Could I suggest that you just recommend that the planning commission look at that

449
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issue? And then could I also add a second comment, which

450
00:21:44,402 --> 00:21:48,352
is another topic that had been in my mind for you guys to think about, and

451
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that was solar farms.

452
00:21:54,302 --> 00:21:55,862
Sorry, we have a few places they

453
00:21:56,862 --> 00:21:57,482
could put them.

454
00:21:58,062 --> 00:21:58,402
Yeah.

455
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And Pennsylvania in particular,

456
00:22:00,982 --> 00:22:03,102
they're getting as much pressure from solar farms.

457
00:22:03,222 --> 00:22:04,602
Didn't I ask you that three months ago?

458
00:22:04,702 --> 00:22:05,242
I don't know.

459
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Just didn't ask in the right context.

460
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Solar and data centers are now on the agenda for the

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planning commission.

462
00:22:14,862 --> 00:22:15,852
No, they weren't doing-

463
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Congratulations.

464
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Yeah. Thank you.

465
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No additional work for you.

466
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Okay.

467
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We'll be right there, huh?

468
00:22:27,202 --> 00:22:27,522
All right.

469
00:22:29,062 --> 00:22:32,962
There's no ordinances and resolutions on the agenda

470
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for tonight, so we'll move on to the mayor's report.

471
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Ralph?

472
00:22:42,062 --> 00:22:43,222
One second. Or do you want it?

473
00:22:47,302 --> 00:22:50,242
Next slide.

474
00:22:52,282 --> 00:22:55,422
I'm going to give a short version of the police report.

475
00:22:55,472 --> 00:22:58,262
The chief's not here. He's at Fairfield,

476
00:23:00,222 --> 00:23:03,702
their meeting, and then he's going to here later this

477
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evening.

478
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Next slide.

479
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To the part I just want to address is National Night Out,

480
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August the 4th. We have it each year,

481
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5 to

482
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8.

483
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Purpose is to strengthen community spirit,

484
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foster

485
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positive

486
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residents. Should come.

487
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Have inviting different

488
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organizations. Appearance.

489
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I'll read some of the people who they have invited.

490
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Adams County 4-H, Adams County

491
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Department of Probation, Adams County Sheriff's

492
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Department,

493
00:24:01,862 --> 00:24:03,982
Adams Regional EMS,

494
00:24:04,802 --> 00:24:08,682
the American Bikers on Mission, Ashley

495
00:24:08,842 --> 00:24:12,702
and Carroll Gardens Police Department, the FBI Seeing

496
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Eye Dog, Fish and Boat Department,

497
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Conservation and Natural Resources, Collaborating for

498
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Youth, Neighbors Helping Neighbors, Fountaindale Fire

499
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Department, Healthy Adams, PA Game Commission,

500
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Reverend

501
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Raden, right? R-A-D-E-N.

502
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Raven Rock. Thank you. Raven Rock Fire Department

503
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and others.

504
00:24:41,854 --> 00:24:42,374
I think

505
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kids who attend will want...

506
00:24:48,154 --> 00:24:49,814
I guess they're going to hand out a form.

507
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They do a scavenger hunt, which you stop at each

508
00:24:54,214 --> 00:24:56,664
of the places that are in this

509
00:24:58,914 --> 00:25:01,014
arena that they're going to

510
00:25:02,174 --> 00:25:06,134
sign off on, and then they're eligible to win

511
00:25:06,234 --> 00:25:06,914
a bicycle

512
00:25:08,074 --> 00:25:11,694
helmet. And there'll be food,

513
00:25:12,634 --> 00:25:15,114
so they come for food, ice cream.

514
00:25:16,194 --> 00:25:17,274
So if you have a chance,

515
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please come 5:00 to 8:00.

516
00:25:21,784 --> 00:25:23,594
May I interject for just a moment, Ron?

517
00:25:24,054 --> 00:25:24,214
Sure.

518
00:25:24,354 --> 00:25:27,954
I'd like to thank Bikers on a Mission for donating the prizes for

519
00:25:28,974 --> 00:25:32,814
National Night Out. We are giving away three bicycles and three helmets-

520
00:25:34,214 --> 00:25:34,224
Yes

521
00:25:34,224 --> 00:25:36,854
... in completion of the scavenger hunt.

522
00:25:38,154 --> 00:25:41,914
And they were gracious enough to give us the

523
00:25:42,234 --> 00:25:45,934
means to do that this year. So I just wanted to do a shout-out to them before.

524
00:25:45,954 --> 00:25:47,114
Yeah, no, that's great.

525
00:25:47,534 --> 00:25:50,814
They'll get it in other places, but tonight they get it now. Thank you.

526
00:25:51,534 --> 00:25:53,754
Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you for bringing that up.

527
00:25:54,734 --> 00:25:55,574
Next slide, please.

528
00:25:56,694 --> 00:25:58,434
Around town. Next slide, please.

529
00:25:59,314 --> 00:26:02,534
I heard about the goat yoga in the park,

530
00:26:03,314 --> 00:26:06,714
and everybody seemed to enjoy it very much.

531
00:26:07,394 --> 00:26:08,254
I don't know how,

532
00:26:09,774 --> 00:26:11,974
do the goats get older and-

533
00:26:15,094 --> 00:26:15,444
Yeah, right.

534
00:26:16,294 --> 00:26:17,594
Gail? Yes. Okay.

535
00:26:18,824 --> 00:26:19,664
Yes. As the goats get older,

536
00:26:20,594 --> 00:26:24,274
they do not travel as well as the little goats.

537
00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:26,234
So we did have two

538
00:26:28,294 --> 00:26:32,154
events of goat yoga in the park, and now you would have to

539
00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:32,634
go to,

540
00:26:33,444 --> 00:26:35,614
I guess, the farm where they live to do that.

541
00:26:36,234 --> 00:26:40,074
But as the new crop of kids,

542
00:26:40,334 --> 00:26:41,414
the babies, come out,

543
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:45,834
we will offer that again, if not this fall, then hopefully next

544
00:26:45,854 --> 00:26:49,774
spring. Very popular. 20 to 30

545
00:26:49,814 --> 00:26:50,674
people at least

546
00:26:51,714 --> 00:26:52,914
signing up for that program.

547
00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:56,474
Thank you, Gail. Next slide, please.

548
00:26:58,394 --> 00:27:01,974
Well, could you say a few words about the July

549
00:27:02,414 --> 00:27:05,214
4th event? I think it was fantastic.

550
00:27:06,074 --> 00:27:09,974
And one of the things, I'll just bring it up, I don't know if Gail's

551
00:27:10,014 --> 00:27:10,994
going to mention it.

552
00:27:12,214 --> 00:27:13,834
There was a tent

553
00:27:14,774 --> 00:27:17,734
that was as large as the basketball field,

554
00:27:18,714 --> 00:27:19,054
and

555
00:27:20,234 --> 00:27:24,134
it was being used to get under for shade.

556
00:27:24,714 --> 00:27:25,014
Yes?

557
00:27:25,914 --> 00:27:28,234
And it so happened it rained,

558
00:27:29,274 --> 00:27:32,874
and everybody went to the tent. Some people went back to their

559
00:27:32,914 --> 00:27:33,334
cars,

560
00:27:34,154 --> 00:27:37,854
but I think the tent really was a fantastic idea.

561
00:27:38,594 --> 00:27:38,834
Gail?

562
00:27:40,554 --> 00:27:42,154
It was a great day. It was very warm.

563
00:27:43,234 --> 00:27:47,014
They were calling for some heat advisories and some

564
00:27:47,134 --> 00:27:50,774
issues. We were able to have cooling stations.

565
00:27:52,994 --> 00:27:56,274
So everybody that was involved that made that happen, thank you.

566
00:27:57,154 --> 00:27:57,354
The

567
00:27:59,474 --> 00:28:03,254
money that we had for the event this year, we were able

568
00:28:03,354 --> 00:28:03,674
to

569
00:28:05,394 --> 00:28:08,254
have some 250th giveaways.

570
00:28:10,034 --> 00:28:11,534
The fans were a hit,

571
00:28:12,474 --> 00:28:13,914
and not just the fans of the

572
00:28:15,274 --> 00:28:19,124
bands, but the fans that used to take the heat away,

573
00:28:19,214 --> 00:28:19,864
because they were

574
00:28:21,454 --> 00:28:25,354
very, very popular. Otherwise, the fireworks went off without

575
00:28:25,394 --> 00:28:25,854
a hitch.

576
00:28:26,874 --> 00:28:30,254
We had the cars came back this year.

577
00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:34,294
They seemed to also be a hit, and I saw several of our

578
00:28:34,414 --> 00:28:36,754
elected officials there. Thank you very much.

579
00:28:36,834 --> 00:28:37,914
And a lot of our

580
00:28:39,374 --> 00:28:39,914
community.

581
00:28:41,164 --> 00:28:42,234
It was just an awesome day.

582
00:28:44,094 --> 00:28:47,234
If you want to see the pictures, ronspictures.net.

583
00:28:47,994 --> 00:28:51,914
And you can see all the pictures. Dave got some interesting

584
00:28:52,073 --> 00:28:55,394
pictures, since he was up on the top of the mountain

585
00:28:56,274 --> 00:28:58,414
and seeing them being shot off.

586
00:28:59,774 --> 00:29:02,214
So thank you, Dave. Yep. Next slide, please.

587
00:29:03,554 --> 00:29:07,094
Food truck every Friday through September.

588
00:29:08,734 --> 00:29:11,614
And the menu changes, I believe. Right, Gail?

589
00:29:12,174 --> 00:29:15,054
Yes, it does. There's a different setup each week.

590
00:29:15,194 --> 00:29:19,154
We have been trying to get it out by Monday or

591
00:29:19,254 --> 00:29:21,934
Tuesday onto our social medias, on the

592
00:29:22,774 --> 00:29:23,554
front sign.

593
00:29:24,954 --> 00:29:28,434
This has been a phenomenal new

594
00:29:28,494 --> 00:29:30,694
addition to the Parks and Rec committee.

595
00:29:30,874 --> 00:29:31,094
I

596
00:29:32,174 --> 00:29:35,954
give them kudos. There is somebody from the Parks and Rec committee there

597
00:29:36,034 --> 00:29:36,854
every week

598
00:29:38,094 --> 00:29:41,894
to help out. And we have three or four

599
00:29:41,974 --> 00:29:42,434
trucks,

600
00:29:44,214 --> 00:29:47,874
usually two food, some type of a specialty drink, and

601
00:29:47,934 --> 00:29:51,074
then a dessert truck. And

602
00:29:52,314 --> 00:29:54,434
it's just phenomenal. Everybody loves it.

603
00:29:54,614 --> 00:29:56,634
There's people here in our park every Friday night.

604
00:29:57,254 --> 00:30:01,174
I encourage anybody who hasn't been down to please stop

605
00:30:01,254 --> 00:30:04,034
down. You get to know your neighbors and

606
00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:08,354
enjoy some delicious food as well.

607
00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:09,894
Next slide, please.

608
00:30:11,734 --> 00:30:13,194
I'll turn this over to Emma.

609
00:30:13,934 --> 00:30:14,494
Thank you, Ron.

610
00:30:15,834 --> 00:30:19,554
I'm happy to report to council that the youth reading program that you

611
00:30:19,574 --> 00:30:22,314
approved last meeting is fully up and running.

612
00:30:23,294 --> 00:30:27,234
Under the name Little Readers and Local Leaders, we had our first event

613
00:30:27,294 --> 00:30:28,334
on July 20th.

614
00:30:29,374 --> 00:30:33,314
We had two youth community members participate in the themed story time

615
00:30:33,334 --> 00:30:36,998
and craft Led by planning commission member Lisa McLeod

616
00:30:37,038 --> 00:30:40,898
Simmons. We have two more upcoming dates, August

617
00:30:40,918 --> 00:30:44,618
17th and September 21st. They're open to everyone in the

618
00:30:44,658 --> 00:30:45,098
community,

619
00:30:45,918 --> 00:30:49,708
and the council can email me regarding interest in volunteering.

620
00:30:50,277 --> 00:30:52,218
And thank you again for this opportunity.

621
00:30:53,898 --> 00:30:54,418
Thank you.

622
00:30:55,658 --> 00:30:56,598
Next slide, please.

623
00:30:57,998 --> 00:31:00,038
Upcoming events. Next slide, please.

624
00:31:01,018 --> 00:31:04,888
Throw it out of bounds for August, outside Carroll Valley.

625
00:31:05,758 --> 00:31:09,118
One, I don't know if you have attended this.

626
00:31:09,158 --> 00:31:13,078
It's going to be played all the way through September the 7th,

627
00:31:13,798 --> 00:31:16,508
and that is in the evening at 7:00 p.m.,

628
00:31:17,518 --> 00:31:19,698
the bugle is played, "Taps."

629
00:31:20,698 --> 00:31:22,828
It's really an emotional moment,

630
00:31:24,078 --> 00:31:27,518
and especially when you hear it with echo and so forth.

631
00:31:28,338 --> 00:31:32,138
Next thing, which is right next door to us, the

632
00:31:34,338 --> 00:31:38,158
Peach. This one is in Eagleville,

633
00:31:39,597 --> 00:31:43,538
August 8th and 9th. If you like peach, they got peach

634
00:31:43,758 --> 00:31:46,018
different ways, and you can see them.

635
00:31:46,298 --> 00:31:49,758
Peach pie, sugar peach, peach bread,

636
00:31:50,778 --> 00:31:53,838
peach milkshake, whatever. Next slide, please.

637
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:58,518
Yeah, this is the one I was thinking about. Granite Hill Camping Resort.

638
00:31:58,698 --> 00:32:00,678
It's right down 116.

639
00:32:01,598 --> 00:32:04,638
August the 13th to the 16th, the 91st

640
00:32:05,778 --> 00:32:09,478
Gettysburg Bluegrass Festival. And then

641
00:32:09,718 --> 00:32:13,138
there is the Jeep Fest. You'll see different

642
00:32:13,978 --> 00:32:15,238
vintage

643
00:32:16,158 --> 00:32:17,578
Jeeps, military Jeeps.

644
00:32:19,138 --> 00:32:21,758
And where is that? The World War II American

645
00:32:22,278 --> 00:32:25,678
Experience Museum, which is in Gettysburg.

646
00:32:27,558 --> 00:32:28,738
Next slide, please.

647
00:32:30,478 --> 00:32:34,398
There's a blood drive September

648
00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:35,158
the 18th,

649
00:32:36,238 --> 00:32:37,238
and you could see,

650
00:32:38,158 --> 00:32:41,858
I'll read it, parts of it, but you can look and see what it says.

651
00:32:42,018 --> 00:32:45,638
Meeting room here, noon to 5:00. You

652
00:32:45,778 --> 00:32:49,518
should call and make an appointment, but walk-ins

653
00:32:49,618 --> 00:32:49,938
are

654
00:32:50,858 --> 00:32:51,358
welcome.

655
00:32:52,618 --> 00:32:53,478
Wait a little while.

656
00:32:54,418 --> 00:32:55,578
Next slide, please.

657
00:32:57,798 --> 00:32:58,918
Next slide, please.

658
00:33:03,978 --> 00:33:05,098
Next slide, please.

659
00:33:11,978 --> 00:33:14,758
Next slide, please. Thanks for listening.

660
00:33:17,358 --> 00:33:17,638
Thank you.

661
00:33:20,138 --> 00:33:21,038
Up is the

662
00:33:23,378 --> 00:33:27,058
fire and EMS reports, Arms, Fairfield Fire

663
00:33:27,118 --> 00:33:30,818
Department, and Fountain Dale Fire Department all submitted reports

664
00:33:30,918 --> 00:33:31,178
for

665
00:33:32,438 --> 00:33:33,418
the month of June.

666
00:33:34,398 --> 00:33:36,158
Any questions?

667
00:33:36,258 --> 00:33:36,538
I got

668
00:33:37,458 --> 00:33:40,778
something I'd like to say. I got a call from Bill Jacobs a couple weeks back.

669
00:33:43,638 --> 00:33:47,158
Bill's been here recently making his feelings known

670
00:33:47,198 --> 00:33:50,948
about the whole situation with the way the money is

671
00:33:50,958 --> 00:33:51,538
divided up,

672
00:33:52,458 --> 00:33:53,418
and he was

673
00:33:55,618 --> 00:33:58,258
asking me about that again, and I just told him I would bring

674
00:33:59,118 --> 00:34:02,258
his comments to the council and just

675
00:34:03,318 --> 00:34:07,198
lay them out here. He said to me that apparently at

676
00:34:07,238 --> 00:34:09,819
this point, they were supposed to have received

677
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:13,478
$80,000, and they've only received 75,000.

678
00:34:13,798 --> 00:34:14,738
I'm just telling you what he said.

679
00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:19,298
He brought up the 87.5% versus

680
00:34:19,319 --> 00:34:22,978
12.5% again with me. And yeah,

681
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:24,379
I see the look on your face.

682
00:34:25,899 --> 00:34:29,718
But I told him I would bring it and put it out here, but I thought all

683
00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:33,158
these items were taken care of by the

684
00:34:34,198 --> 00:34:37,018
fire committee after Bill was here that time.

685
00:34:37,778 --> 00:34:39,738
So it's just...

686
00:34:43,238 --> 00:34:43,978
I think he was just

687
00:34:44,938 --> 00:34:47,098
reiterating what he has said in the past.

688
00:34:47,138 --> 00:34:49,478
But I promised him I would bring it up, so there you go.

689
00:34:51,478 --> 00:34:51,698
Well,

690
00:34:53,758 --> 00:34:54,718
council said no.

691
00:34:54,928 --> 00:34:56,478
He was concerned about that 5K,

692
00:34:57,798 --> 00:35:00,238
what he perceives as a 5K shortage.

693
00:35:01,258 --> 00:35:03,158
And he talked a lot about

694
00:35:08,638 --> 00:35:10,428
the possibility that

695
00:35:12,598 --> 00:35:13,478
Fairfield Fire

696
00:35:16,678 --> 00:35:17,918
might not be around too many years.

697
00:35:19,378 --> 00:35:19,778
That's

698
00:35:20,698 --> 00:35:22,678
not unique to Fairfield Fire.

699
00:35:22,858 --> 00:35:23,378
Yeah, so-

700
00:35:23,498 --> 00:35:27,258
That's a problem that we have statewide.

701
00:35:28,278 --> 00:35:31,358
And what Mr. Jacobs wanted to do

702
00:35:32,458 --> 00:35:35,858
was to take half of the money that we give

703
00:35:35,978 --> 00:35:38,018
to Fountain Dale

704
00:35:39,378 --> 00:35:39,798
to them,

705
00:35:40,718 --> 00:35:40,838
to

706
00:35:41,738 --> 00:35:42,318
Fairfield,

707
00:35:43,638 --> 00:35:44,578
which would be

708
00:35:45,938 --> 00:35:48,098
an acceleration of the problem

709
00:35:49,938 --> 00:35:51,218
if Fountain Dale might have.

710
00:35:52,478 --> 00:35:53,598
And this council

711
00:35:54,458 --> 00:35:54,938
said no,

712
00:35:56,198 --> 00:35:59,838
and Mr. Jacobs just can't accept no for an

713
00:35:59,918 --> 00:36:00,358
answer.

714
00:36:02,178 --> 00:36:02,638
And

715
00:36:04,618 --> 00:36:04,938
the

716
00:36:05,978 --> 00:36:09,398
last orderly meeting was rescheduled.

717
00:36:09,478 --> 00:36:11,158
We'll have one again in August.

718
00:36:12,198 --> 00:36:15,778
I know that Mike wants to be involved with that.

719
00:36:16,178 --> 00:36:17,838
Dave will be involved with that.

720
00:36:19,058 --> 00:36:20,798
And I plan to go,

721
00:36:21,618 --> 00:36:23,468
and he can complain to us again.

722
00:36:24,638 --> 00:36:24,888
But

723
00:36:26,618 --> 00:36:28,258
there's no entitlements.

724
00:36:29,708 --> 00:36:33,478
These are taxpayer dollars that the council can choose

725
00:36:34,298 --> 00:36:37,198
how much of it goes to what fire department

726
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:42,630
And Mr. Jacobs seems to think that he deserves

727
00:36:43,590 --> 00:36:44,890
damn near everything,

728
00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:47,290
and that

729
00:36:48,970 --> 00:36:50,070
is unacceptable.

730
00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:54,830
At least for me, it's very unacceptable.

731
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:59,090
I can't see how one fire chief would do

732
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:59,770
anything

733
00:37:00,650 --> 00:37:02,350
that would hurt another fire company,

734
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:05,710
and that's what he's trying to do.

735
00:37:07,830 --> 00:37:08,810
It's unacceptable.

736
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:18,570
And I know that's probably a violation of decorum, but it's

737
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:21,310
a statement of reality. Sorry I even had to bring it up.

738
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:25,510
Oh, it's not your fault, Mike. He's been doing this for years.

739
00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:26,130
He has, yeah.

740
00:37:29,570 --> 00:37:29,820
But

741
00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:33,130
any other issues on this?

742
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:40,660
Well, thank you to Arms Fairfield Fire Department and

743
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:43,570
Fountain Dale Fire Department for their monthly report.

744
00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:48,080
Committee reports. Finance committee

745
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:50,430
budget year to date. Ron?

746
00:37:52,090 --> 00:37:52,730
Ron's gone.

747
00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:57,510
Well, thank you to Ron for the Finance Committee report.

748
00:37:57,650 --> 00:38:01,310
Anybody got any questions on the Finance Committee report?

749
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:06,250
Hearing none, we'll move on.

750
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:11,410
Nature Trail and Ad Hoc Committee Trail Loop project

751
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:15,190
for advertisement. There's a

752
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:19,530
sizable document that Gail has been working

753
00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:22,890
on that addresses

754
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:24,390
the bid

755
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:25,850
for this.

756
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:28,050
And so,

757
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:32,670
it's already been blessed by

758
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:33,870
GMS,

759
00:38:35,610 --> 00:38:38,110
and it's been reviewed.

760
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:39,910
It's been reviewed by the

761
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:44,570
attorney and

762
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:50,049
our funding administrator, as well as being presented

763
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:52,690
forward by the committee with their approval.

764
00:38:52,810 --> 00:38:54,210
So it has met all of those,

765
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:59,030
and it is before you to advertise for

766
00:38:59,110 --> 00:38:59,390
bids.

767
00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:03,510
I'll make a motion we put it out for advertisement.

768
00:39:04,590 --> 00:39:06,720
Okay. We have a motion. Do we have a second?

769
00:39:07,590 --> 00:39:08,050
Second.

770
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:10,430
Any discussion?

771
00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:15,130
All in favor say aye. Aye.

772
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:15,140
Aye.

773
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:15,150
Aye.

774
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:17,850
Opposed?

775
00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:19,740
Dave wants to-

776
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:23,210
I just wanted to add, it didn't need to be during the discussion for me to say it,

777
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:26,950
but I wanted to point out to those of you, just in case you didn't

778
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:30,530
notice, most of the committee is in the room this evening.

779
00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:33,910
That's how much they believe in this project,

780
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:38,990
and how much they were hoping to get your support to move on that

781
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:42,640
step. And I know that they're excited to bring this

782
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:44,820
project a step closer to construction.

783
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:48,640
So, I want to make sure that we thank them, because they have been putting in a

784
00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:51,470
lot of time and effort to getting it to this stage.

785
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:53,130
So thank you to those members who are here.

786
00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:58,270
I think they're doing a great job, and I'm looking forward to

787
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:59,490
that trail being built.

788
00:40:00,530 --> 00:40:01,959
Greatly appreciate your support.

789
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:03,250
Thank you.

790
00:40:06,220 --> 00:40:06,220
Okay.

791
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:11,270
Parks and Recs Committee, we received their report.

792
00:40:14,030 --> 00:40:14,450
And

793
00:40:16,090 --> 00:40:19,550
thank you to Jenna Gerrell for that report.

794
00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:22,270
Anybody have any questions on the

795
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:25,170
Parks and Recs Committee report?

796
00:40:25,850 --> 00:40:29,630
I would recommend to the Parks and Rec that they consider an

797
00:40:29,710 --> 00:40:30,230
adult

798
00:40:31,090 --> 00:40:33,870
affair. Say, like, a Christmas

799
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:35,210
dinner

800
00:40:36,090 --> 00:40:37,150
dance party.

801
00:40:43,730 --> 00:40:43,820
Is-

802
00:40:43,870 --> 00:40:45,430
Okay, I'll make sure we mention that.

803
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:46,090
Yes.

804
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:47,870
She didn't say it, but she was thinking it.

805
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:50,990
Yes, actually, I was. Yep, I can definitely take that back to them.

806
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:53,670
We have tried that in the past, and it didn't

807
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:58,670
take off quite as well as we wanted it to, but we have some new blood on that

808
00:40:58,730 --> 00:41:01,590
committee, and they are pretty

809
00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:05,630
knowledgeable, so we'll try that one more time,

810
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:05,759
absolutely.

811
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:09,759
And they have been hitting home runs on their ideas and things that they have been

812
00:41:09,759 --> 00:41:09,759
doing, so.

813
00:41:09,759 --> 00:41:10,690
They really have, so

814
00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:14,090
we'll definitely give that to them to try again.

815
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:20,350
Next item up is Zoning Hearing Board

816
00:41:22,090 --> 00:41:24,150
vacancy. The Zoning Hearing Board.

817
00:41:25,290 --> 00:41:28,970
We have one applicant, Jeff Sable.

818
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:31,950
Do we have a-

819
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:33,880
See-

820
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:34,970
... motion to approve?

821
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:37,730
Yeah. Is Jeff in the audience by any chance?

822
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:39,170
No?

823
00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:42,270
Make a motion we approve.

824
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:47,250
I'll second. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

825
00:41:51,070 --> 00:41:52,540
All in favor say aye. Aye.

826
00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:52,930
Aye.

827
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Aye.

828
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:54,250
Opposed?

829
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:58,270
Gail, it's unanimous.

830
00:41:58,690 --> 00:41:59,390
Thank you very much.

831
00:42:03,370 --> 00:42:06,130
Next up is the treasurer's report for June.

832
00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:11,930
Are there any questions on the treasurer's report?

833
00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:18,970
Hearing none, do we have a motion to approve? Motion to approve.

834
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:20,590
Second.

835
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:24,430
We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

836
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:28,580
Hearing none, all in favor say aye. Aye.

837
00:42:28,580 --> 00:42:29,010
Aye.

838
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:29,520
Aye.

839
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:30,310
Opposed?

840
00:42:31,230 --> 00:42:32,150
It's unanimous, Gail.

841
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:33,150
Thank you.

842
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:41,690
Okay, the next item is a storage facility construction bid

843
00:42:46,854 --> 00:42:47,174
Yes.

844
00:42:47,854 --> 00:42:48,914
New month, same result.

845
00:42:49,854 --> 00:42:51,894
There were no bids received

846
00:42:53,034 --> 00:42:56,094
for the bid opening of July 9th

847
00:42:57,834 --> 00:42:58,854
for our review.

848
00:42:59,714 --> 00:43:02,674
That was the second attempt to receive bids.

849
00:43:03,794 --> 00:43:05,544
So now according to

850
00:43:08,894 --> 00:43:11,954
state law, we can go out and

851
00:43:12,494 --> 00:43:16,154
negotiate with any builder that we want.

852
00:43:17,994 --> 00:43:20,154
So I guess the question is,

853
00:43:21,434 --> 00:43:21,774
does the

854
00:43:21,854 --> 00:43:26,374
council

855
00:43:26,454 --> 00:43:30,374
want to authorize the borough staff to contact builders

856
00:43:30,414 --> 00:43:34,334
and submit quotes for consideration at the August 11,

857
00:43:34,594 --> 00:43:35,854
2026 meeting?

858
00:43:36,274 --> 00:43:37,774
You don't need a motion, just direction?

859
00:43:41,234 --> 00:43:42,484
A motion wouldn't hurt, but...

860
00:43:42,974 --> 00:43:46,694
Okay. Motion to authorize the staff to go ahead and negotiate as appropriate.

861
00:43:47,054 --> 00:43:49,434
I'd like to amend that motion to the September meeting.

862
00:43:49,534 --> 00:43:51,113
August 11th's coming on pretty quick.

863
00:43:52,494 --> 00:43:53,274
It's only a couple of weeks.

864
00:43:53,614 --> 00:43:54,994
It is. However,

865
00:43:55,934 --> 00:43:59,134
because we didn't get any bids on the 9th,

866
00:44:00,734 --> 00:44:03,914
I had spoken to the attorney and to Brad

867
00:44:04,794 --> 00:44:08,644
Sanders, our municipal services supervisor, and

868
00:44:08,754 --> 00:44:09,454
asked him,

869
00:44:10,294 --> 00:44:13,194
once I got permission, that this would be something that we could ask to do.

870
00:44:13,454 --> 00:44:14,874
I got permission to

871
00:44:16,174 --> 00:44:19,964
bug Brad. So Brad has already been doing that and

872
00:44:19,994 --> 00:44:23,754
making phone calls. He fully believes that he should

873
00:44:23,894 --> 00:44:25,894
have two or three quotes

874
00:44:26,794 --> 00:44:29,434
in August, which is why we said the August

875
00:44:29,514 --> 00:44:33,454
meeting. So we didn't put it off

876
00:44:33,494 --> 00:44:36,874
one more month with the fact that we don't have a place to put salt.

877
00:44:37,874 --> 00:44:41,154
Brad feels that that is putting us really close.

878
00:44:41,774 --> 00:44:44,844
Worst case scenario is in the August meeting

879
00:44:45,674 --> 00:44:49,234
we don't have two or three for you, and we have to push it to

880
00:44:49,274 --> 00:44:53,214
September. But if we have what is considered to be good quotes and

881
00:44:53,274 --> 00:44:57,034
enough of them, you would have the opportunity to do that in August.

882
00:44:57,534 --> 00:45:00,994
If you don't think we have enough, you just push it for one more month.

883
00:45:01,174 --> 00:45:02,074
I'll retract the amendment.

884
00:45:03,154 --> 00:45:03,934
Thank you.

885
00:45:03,994 --> 00:45:04,194
What-

886
00:45:05,454 --> 00:45:06,203
Okay

887
00:45:06,203 --> 00:45:09,054
... any idea why we did not get any bids?

888
00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:12,834
From what I understand, it was

889
00:45:13,634 --> 00:45:15,554
people have a lot of work right now,

890
00:45:16,554 --> 00:45:18,334
so if they

891
00:45:19,714 --> 00:45:22,374
decided to put the work into it, the bid would be high.

892
00:45:23,634 --> 00:45:27,594
And so Brad is now being able to talk to them and

893
00:45:27,674 --> 00:45:28,674
say, "Look,

894
00:45:29,934 --> 00:45:32,884
we want you to do this. We want to see what we're up against

895
00:45:33,334 --> 00:45:34,684
price-wise," that type of thing,

896
00:45:35,914 --> 00:45:37,224
because we have to do something.

897
00:45:38,114 --> 00:45:41,954
So he's hoping to be able to get that by actually talking to them.

898
00:45:42,534 --> 00:45:45,634
We did hand out from the first one to the second one.

899
00:45:46,734 --> 00:45:50,254
I personally emailed packets to

900
00:45:50,314 --> 00:45:51,674
companies that we thought would

901
00:45:52,694 --> 00:45:56,374
bid. Did not get them back, but they have a full plate.

902
00:45:57,334 --> 00:46:00,074
It's not something that they want to do right now.

903
00:46:00,134 --> 00:46:03,974
If we had it for the spring, we probably would've gotten bids, but

904
00:46:04,014 --> 00:46:07,134
because we want it this fall, it's harder to get them.

905
00:46:09,914 --> 00:46:13,874
I honestly don't anticipate it costing additional money.

906
00:46:13,954 --> 00:46:17,734
I think that because we've made it to this step, I think it's going to

907
00:46:17,774 --> 00:46:21,354
help financially, if you want the truth, because we're able to negotiate

908
00:46:21,414 --> 00:46:22,574
and have

909
00:46:23,894 --> 00:46:26,914
open discussions with contractors and find the right thing.

910
00:46:27,014 --> 00:46:30,714
So, and I don't want to steal Gail's thunder because she's been working hard,

911
00:46:30,774 --> 00:46:34,594
but, I did talk to Brad about this this afternoon, and he told me

912
00:46:34,634 --> 00:46:38,514
he was certain he would have at least two within a week after

913
00:46:38,574 --> 00:46:39,394
you authorize it.

914
00:46:40,694 --> 00:46:44,574
So he's been calling people he knows in that business ever

915
00:46:44,614 --> 00:46:48,254
since not getting any more bids. So he's lined up a couple of people

916
00:46:48,354 --> 00:46:50,294
ready to be responsive the third time.

917
00:46:51,184 --> 00:46:54,994
All

918
00:46:56,234 --> 00:46:58,104
right.

919
00:46:58,154 --> 00:46:59,514
We didn't get a second, did we?

920
00:46:59,954 --> 00:47:02,434
Yes. I have Mr. White and Mr. Krukosky.

921
00:47:04,814 --> 00:47:05,894
Any other discussion?

922
00:47:08,414 --> 00:47:10,314
Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

923
00:47:10,654 --> 00:47:10,914
Aye.

924
00:47:12,174 --> 00:47:12,754
Opposed?

925
00:47:14,954 --> 00:47:15,814
Dave, you still there?

926
00:47:19,014 --> 00:47:19,234
Yes.

927
00:47:19,674 --> 00:47:19,994
Okay.

928
00:47:22,074 --> 00:47:23,014
It's unanimous, Gail.

929
00:47:23,254 --> 00:47:23,594
Thank you.

930
00:47:27,214 --> 00:47:30,834
Okay, next up is the Adams County Library letter.

931
00:47:33,314 --> 00:47:36,994
This is in your packet purely for informational purposes.

932
00:47:37,034 --> 00:47:40,814
They had specifically asked that council see the letter.

933
00:47:41,054 --> 00:47:41,254
So,

934
00:47:42,714 --> 00:47:46,694
once again, thank the Adams County Library System for the partnership

935
00:47:46,734 --> 00:47:50,634
that we've had now for almost 10 years.

936
00:47:50,834 --> 00:47:50,944
Mm-hmm.

937
00:47:51,274 --> 00:47:52,434
Almost 10 years.

938
00:47:53,434 --> 00:47:55,844
And we're glad to have them here and

939
00:47:57,294 --> 00:48:01,174
it's nice to see some statistics that show the

940
00:48:01,234 --> 00:48:04,184
impact that they have on the community. Thank you to them.

941
00:48:04,974 --> 00:48:06,434
Now, the letter,

942
00:48:10,414 --> 00:48:13,514
that relates to our line item in the budget

943
00:48:16,434 --> 00:48:20,254
for them is our support of the library,

944
00:48:20,334 --> 00:48:20,694
correct?

945
00:48:21,714 --> 00:48:25,194
I think that they're also asking you to consider an

946
00:48:25,204 --> 00:48:26,514
additional donation.

947
00:48:28,294 --> 00:48:30,574
Over and above the budgeted?

948
00:48:31,394 --> 00:48:31,914
For next year.

949
00:48:33,034 --> 00:48:33,144
On the-

950
00:48:33,144 --> 00:48:35,354
This is in anticipation of your next budget cycle

951
00:48:36,034 --> 00:48:36,034
...

952
00:48:40,414 --> 00:48:42,494
oh

953
00:48:52,634 --> 00:48:56,474
Okay. GMS has provided their report

954
00:48:56,554 --> 00:48:59,874
to us. Do we have any questions

955
00:49:00,574 --> 00:49:04,034
or comments regarding the grant funding updates?

956
00:49:10,254 --> 00:49:12,324
On to lot sales.

957
00:49:12,574 --> 00:49:15,834
You know what? That was probably as good a time of any to give you a couple of

958
00:49:15,894 --> 00:49:19,634
updates on some projects. You probably couldn't miss

959
00:49:19,714 --> 00:49:20,753
one when you came in.

960
00:49:21,134 --> 00:49:21,634
Mm-hmm.

961
00:49:21,694 --> 00:49:24,734
You can see the pickleball court construction started

962
00:49:25,334 --> 00:49:25,754
yesterday?

963
00:49:26,154 --> 00:49:26,534
It did.

964
00:49:27,814 --> 00:49:28,734
That's on the agenda.

965
00:49:29,534 --> 00:49:31,554
Gail just said that, but she didn't say it as nice.

966
00:49:34,174 --> 00:49:35,254
We'll update you then.

967
00:49:36,834 --> 00:49:39,634
Did you talk about the Lake Kay Park, and is that on the agenda?

968
00:49:39,834 --> 00:49:40,414
Yes.

969
00:49:40,974 --> 00:49:41,624
Can I ask a question about the wall-

970
00:49:41,634 --> 00:49:45,074
Construction started at Lake Kay on that project as

971
00:49:45,114 --> 00:49:49,064
well. The dock has been built. It's under construction right

972
00:49:49,094 --> 00:49:52,934
now. And I got to tell you, our guys are just knocking it

973
00:49:53,034 --> 00:49:56,894
out of the park. I walked it yesterday. It's really awesome.

974
00:49:57,404 --> 00:50:00,774
They're proud of it, too, so I can't wait for everybody to get a chance to take a

975
00:50:00,814 --> 00:50:04,274
look at it when it's finished. And it's going to be quite the improvement.

976
00:50:04,374 --> 00:50:07,334
That was also one of our grants that we received for that project, too.

977
00:50:08,934 --> 00:50:12,774
I actually had a resident tell me last night how good that

978
00:50:12,854 --> 00:50:15,614
project looks. That's not done, but it looks great.

979
00:50:18,094 --> 00:50:19,614
It's

980
00:50:21,214 --> 00:50:25,004
40% done, and it makes the park look or hundred times-

981
00:50:25,024 --> 00:50:25,024
It looks great

982
00:50:25,024 --> 00:50:25,794
... better already.

983
00:50:26,214 --> 00:50:26,574
Yeah.

984
00:50:26,654 --> 00:50:27,324
So it's

985
00:50:28,234 --> 00:50:29,934
really going to turn out nice, and actually,

986
00:50:30,874 --> 00:50:33,274
there's been many work hours since I saw it yesterday.

987
00:50:33,394 --> 00:50:36,374
So they're making great progress on it.

988
00:50:36,434 --> 00:50:37,973
The dock itself should be finished.

989
00:50:38,634 --> 00:50:42,494
We have to decide on a railing yet, so it'll be a little while

990
00:50:42,534 --> 00:50:46,234
till it's ready to go, but that's one of our projects that we plan on having done

991
00:50:46,294 --> 00:50:47,874
here before the

992
00:50:48,774 --> 00:50:49,554
leaves start to fall.

993
00:50:50,274 --> 00:50:54,194
So I have a question about the pickleball courts, because this was a

994
00:50:54,234 --> 00:50:56,334
hot topic on social media yesterday.

995
00:50:56,354 --> 00:50:56,794
Was it?

996
00:50:56,914 --> 00:50:57,414
It was.

997
00:50:57,454 --> 00:50:57,484
Mm-hmm.

998
00:50:57,974 --> 00:51:01,734
Because somebody said, "What's going on at the park?" And somebody immediately

999
00:51:01,794 --> 00:51:05,594
said, "That's pickleball courts." And somebody made the comment

1000
00:51:05,603 --> 00:51:09,514
that as soon as other people in the surrounding areas find out we

1001
00:51:09,554 --> 00:51:10,534
have pickleball courts,

1002
00:51:11,564 --> 00:51:14,534
our own residents will not be able to get on them because they'll be so busy.

1003
00:51:15,154 --> 00:51:16,483
So is there

1004
00:51:17,294 --> 00:51:20,344
going to be some way that our residents can

1005
00:51:21,234 --> 00:51:23,214
reserve a time on those pickleball courts?

1006
00:51:25,114 --> 00:51:27,494
We hadn't actually discussed that internally.

1007
00:51:27,514 --> 00:51:28,654
It might be something to consider.

1008
00:51:29,474 --> 00:51:31,294
But it

1009
00:51:34,554 --> 00:51:37,174
seems like something we should be able to do.

1010
00:51:37,254 --> 00:51:41,024
I'm thinking more along the lines of another project we're

1011
00:51:41,094 --> 00:51:44,094
working on that involves software for rec scheduling.

1012
00:51:44,354 --> 00:51:44,614
So

1013
00:51:45,694 --> 00:51:49,234
it probably is the kind of thing that can be done relatively easily, yeah.

1014
00:51:49,274 --> 00:51:52,074
I didn't realize pickleball was so popular. I know Mr. White plays.

1015
00:51:53,734 --> 00:51:57,204
So he might be able to speak to it a little bit, but apparently, it's a big deal,

1016
00:51:57,434 --> 00:51:59,953
and there's not a lot of courts around, apparently.

1017
00:51:59,994 --> 00:52:02,854
So this was a hot topic on social media yesterday.

1018
00:52:02,894 --> 00:52:06,834
Well, especially if scheduling helps to avoid there being conflict in the

1019
00:52:06,854 --> 00:52:07,724
park over usage, I think we-

1020
00:52:07,724 --> 00:52:10,474
I don't want to see a couple old guys being nutshell at each other with pickleball

1021
00:52:10,554 --> 00:52:10,934
paddles.

1022
00:52:11,054 --> 00:52:11,234
Yeah.

1023
00:52:12,774 --> 00:52:14,194
They look like they would hurt, yeah.

1024
00:52:15,214 --> 00:52:18,754
I think that if you wouldn't mind, give me the opportunity to discuss it with

1025
00:52:18,774 --> 00:52:22,514
staff, and we'll make sure that we come up with a good plan for how we'll tackle

1026
00:52:22,594 --> 00:52:22,774
that.

1027
00:52:24,574 --> 00:52:26,414
Mike, you're on security at the pickleball court.

1028
00:52:28,043 --> 00:52:28,494
Comment.

1029
00:52:29,534 --> 00:52:31,214
Would it be out of line to

1030
00:52:32,494 --> 00:52:35,814
have a fee for out-of-staters or

1031
00:52:35,874 --> 00:52:36,754
out-of-towners

1032
00:52:39,334 --> 00:52:40,174
to use the court?

1033
00:52:41,174 --> 00:52:42,334
We charge to use

1034
00:52:44,314 --> 00:52:45,414
other facilities.

1035
00:52:46,334 --> 00:52:46,554
We have

1036
00:52:47,814 --> 00:52:51,654
rates set for other in town,

1037
00:52:52,194 --> 00:52:55,294
whether it's our people, whether different people.

1038
00:52:55,894 --> 00:52:58,514
But I think if it is that big a deal,

1039
00:52:59,874 --> 00:53:03,854
maybe I suggest registration and fees for out

1040
00:53:03,914 --> 00:53:05,874
of Carroll Valley residents.

1041
00:53:08,554 --> 00:53:12,414
Council wants us to do that. We have time because although they've

1042
00:53:12,453 --> 00:53:16,394
made a lot of progress, there's going to be a 30-day period where the

1043
00:53:16,474 --> 00:53:19,574
surface can't be touched. So

1044
00:53:20,434 --> 00:53:23,634
there's going to be some time that we could still do an amendment to your fee

1045
00:53:23,714 --> 00:53:26,094
schedule if you wanted to do those kind of...

1046
00:53:26,294 --> 00:53:27,804
Whatever you all want to do,

1047
00:53:29,154 --> 00:53:33,014
I think you can do it. I don't think it's unreasonable, perhaps, that maybe it's

1048
00:53:33,054 --> 00:53:36,934
not a fee to use it, but maybe it's a fee if you were going to do the reservation

1049
00:53:36,974 --> 00:53:40,734
and you were an out of town or an out of Carroll Valley person or something.

1050
00:53:40,844 --> 00:53:44,384
I don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas as well, but we're

1051
00:53:44,574 --> 00:53:47,424
willing- ... to work with council, whatever they think is most

1052
00:53:47,454 --> 00:53:48,934
appropriate.

1053
00:53:48,994 --> 00:53:52,314
Or perhaps we see how it goes for the fall and then adjust it for the fee schedule

1054
00:53:52,334 --> 00:53:52,854
for next year.

1055
00:53:54,154 --> 00:53:54,974
A bigger plan.

1056
00:53:55,654 --> 00:53:55,854
Yeah.

1057
00:54:01,554 --> 00:54:05,454
Okay. Took care of pickleball. Let's go back up to lot sales.

1058
00:54:10,054 --> 00:54:11,054
I don't think we had any.

1059
00:54:11,914 --> 00:54:13,454
We did not.

1060
00:54:14,974 --> 00:54:15,864
We're still awaiting-

1061
00:54:16,454 --> 00:54:20,334
Actually, last month, you chose to

1062
00:54:20,394 --> 00:54:24,014
not put Mason Dixon Trail up for

1063
00:54:24,134 --> 00:54:25,334
sale again.

1064
00:54:26,894 --> 00:54:30,774
And I don't know that Dave got the email, but

1065
00:54:31,614 --> 00:54:32,514
there will be

1066
00:54:34,374 --> 00:54:36,594
appraisals for the next meeting.

1067
00:54:38,074 --> 00:54:41,094
So there'll be appraisals that are complete for the next meeting.

1068
00:54:41,814 --> 00:54:42,234
Thank you.

1069
00:54:43,574 --> 00:54:45,194
I might note that in the

1070
00:54:46,474 --> 00:54:49,594
Gettysburg paper today, there was a full page of tax

1071
00:54:50,474 --> 00:54:53,654
sales going on, so you have some competition.

1072
00:54:54,754 --> 00:54:55,404
Yeah. About

1073
00:54:56,314 --> 00:54:56,594
30.

1074
00:54:56,954 --> 00:54:57,474
I guess we all-

1075
00:54:57,534 --> 00:54:59,334
Wait until after the tax sales then.

1076
00:54:59,364 --> 00:55:00,654
About 30 pair.

1077
00:55:01,414 --> 00:55:03,174
There's quite a few

1078
00:55:04,454 --> 00:55:07,344
vacant lots on realtor.com for sale in Carroll Valley right now.

1079
00:55:09,394 --> 00:55:12,474
Honestly, the real estate market just keeps growing here.

1080
00:55:15,334 --> 00:55:16,054
No doubt about it.

1081
00:55:16,634 --> 00:55:16,994
I just

1082
00:55:17,834 --> 00:55:19,994
went through with Chuck's sign,

1083
00:55:20,854 --> 00:55:24,514
and there's a lot of perking going on in

1084
00:55:24,594 --> 00:55:25,394
Carroll Valley.

1085
00:55:26,234 --> 00:55:26,994
A lot of it.

1086
00:55:34,594 --> 00:55:37,614
Okay. Meeting decorum.

1087
00:55:39,654 --> 00:55:41,794
Our May meeting was

1088
00:55:43,894 --> 00:55:45,034
not our best.

1089
00:55:46,444 --> 00:55:47,014
Point of order.

1090
00:55:47,674 --> 00:55:47,894
Yes?

1091
00:55:48,834 --> 00:55:52,274
The meeting decorum was tabled, so therefore we have to

1092
00:55:52,754 --> 00:55:55,314
make a motion to take it back off the table.

1093
00:55:55,834 --> 00:55:57,374
Oh, and that's where I was going.

1094
00:55:57,794 --> 00:55:59,153
Okay.

1095
00:55:59,254 --> 00:55:59,514
So

1096
00:56:01,094 --> 00:56:01,374
the

1097
00:56:03,134 --> 00:56:06,294
issue at this time is, do we have a motion

1098
00:56:07,694 --> 00:56:08,074
to

1099
00:56:09,614 --> 00:56:13,254
take meeting decorum off the table and

1100
00:56:13,294 --> 00:56:14,474
discuss it tonight?

1101
00:56:14,794 --> 00:56:15,454
Make that motion.

1102
00:56:17,674 --> 00:56:18,494
Do we have a second?

1103
00:56:19,854 --> 00:56:20,354
I'll second.

1104
00:56:22,514 --> 00:56:23,794
Any dis- okay.

1105
00:56:25,914 --> 00:56:27,534
Any discussion on that?

1106
00:56:28,214 --> 00:56:29,834
That's not a debatable topic.

1107
00:56:30,014 --> 00:56:30,774
That's correct.

1108
00:56:33,554 --> 00:56:33,874
Okay.

1109
00:56:35,994 --> 00:56:37,114
All in favor say aye.

1110
00:56:37,514 --> 00:56:38,114
Aye.

1111
00:56:40,594 --> 00:56:41,094
Opposed?

1112
00:56:45,474 --> 00:56:46,064
Hearing none,

1113
00:56:47,334 --> 00:56:48,354
it's off the table.

1114
00:56:51,074 --> 00:56:51,434
Okay.

1115
00:56:54,594 --> 00:56:58,254
Council members have been provided

1116
00:56:58,334 --> 00:56:58,694
with

1117
00:57:00,934 --> 00:57:02,054
three documents,

1118
00:57:03,634 --> 00:57:05,774
two of them which are already on the books,

1119
00:57:06,794 --> 00:57:09,094
and a third one that would

1120
00:57:10,154 --> 00:57:11,954
replace the two.

1121
00:57:14,414 --> 00:57:16,994
And we need to decide

1122
00:57:18,434 --> 00:57:20,154
whether we're going to

1123
00:57:21,094 --> 00:57:23,524
keep those that are on the book and start following them,

1124
00:57:24,594 --> 00:57:28,554
or if we're going to go with the new proposed ordinance

1125
00:57:28,634 --> 00:57:29,714
and follow that.

1126
00:57:32,114 --> 00:57:35,974
Question, Dave, does it actually replace, or is it just in addition to?

1127
00:57:37,174 --> 00:57:41,054
Because the other ones are appendices on bylaws, not an ordinance

1128
00:57:41,074 --> 00:57:41,834
necessarily.

1129
00:57:45,554 --> 00:57:47,934
I guess that would depend upon how

1130
00:57:48,754 --> 00:57:52,334
the action that you took. I would assume that if you were to adopt

1131
00:57:52,434 --> 00:57:55,114
something new, that part of that motion would be to-

1132
00:57:55,674 --> 00:57:57,404
To revoke the old ones

1133
00:57:57,414 --> 00:57:57,414
...

1134
00:57:58,434 --> 00:57:59,754
so it would be dependent upon

1135
00:58:00,774 --> 00:58:01,314
how the

1136
00:58:02,114 --> 00:58:02,434
action-

1137
00:58:07,234 --> 00:58:07,934
Mr. President.

1138
00:58:09,974 --> 00:58:10,154
Yes.

1139
00:58:11,014 --> 00:58:14,514
In its current state, borough bylaws present Robert's Rule of Order as a governing

1140
00:58:14,634 --> 00:58:18,074
policy. That document is 170 pages.

1141
00:58:18,474 --> 00:58:21,834
After spending several hours over the last few days reading the majority of it,

1142
00:58:22,454 --> 00:58:26,194
I can safely say we are in violation of our own bylaws through countless examples.

1143
00:58:26,834 --> 00:58:30,734
At this point, it is time we as a council must take one of two paths: either

1144
00:58:30,774 --> 00:58:34,074
follow Robert's Rule of Order as written and indicated in our

1145
00:58:34,094 --> 00:58:36,474
bylaws, or create a committee to

1146
00:58:36,534 --> 00:58:40,514
adapt these rules to our particular needs and amend our

1147
00:58:40,554 --> 00:58:44,304
bylaws. Items needed to be addressed are, but not limited

1148
00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:47,804
to, how to be recognized, instances that allow interruption,

1149
00:58:48,354 --> 00:58:51,854
speaking time limits and procedures to limit or extend

1150
00:58:51,864 --> 00:58:55,714
decorum, responsibility of the officers to ensure procedures align

1151
00:58:55,754 --> 00:58:59,314
with definition, out of order and repercussions, debatable and

1152
00:58:59,334 --> 00:59:02,814
non-debatable items, definitions and explanations,

1153
00:59:02,894 --> 00:59:06,854
additions and removal of agenda items, bylaws being present at the meeting and

1154
00:59:06,934 --> 00:59:07,334
followed.

1155
00:59:08,294 --> 00:59:11,723
Also, any item as directed by council before or during the

1156
00:59:11,793 --> 00:59:15,394
consideration. I still believe Robert's Rule of Order should be our guiding

1157
00:59:15,454 --> 00:59:18,794
principle. However, it has become increasingly clear this council is not using the

1158
00:59:18,834 --> 00:59:22,594
tools from that document appropriately and should outline a more thorough

1159
00:59:22,674 --> 00:59:25,634
application-based approach as our bylaws.

1160
00:59:26,474 --> 00:59:26,774
Thank you.

1161
00:59:28,674 --> 00:59:29,914
I fully agree.

1162
00:59:35,974 --> 00:59:38,324
So with that, I will make a motion to create a committee

1163
00:59:39,494 --> 00:59:39,814
and

1164
00:59:42,714 --> 00:59:43,894
look at creating a new bylaw

1165
00:59:44,974 --> 00:59:45,634
or an amended one.

1166
00:59:46,374 --> 00:59:47,094
I'll second that.

1167
00:59:49,834 --> 00:59:53,124
Okay. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

1168
00:59:55,374 --> 00:59:57,894
Question is, you want to amend this bylaw?

1169
00:59:58,674 --> 01:00:00,834
Want to amend the... Yeah. Our bylaw that's...

1170
01:00:01,134 --> 01:00:04,954
Well, we can create it and then discuss how we want to move forward with it.

1171
01:00:05,274 --> 01:00:08,414
Yeah, because this one says we follow Robert's Rules of Order.

1172
01:00:08,454 --> 01:00:08,774
Correct.

1173
01:00:09,674 --> 01:00:13,654
And you were talking about the procedures in Robert's Rules of Order.

1174
01:00:13,894 --> 01:00:14,174
Yes.

1175
01:00:14,594 --> 01:00:14,674
So-

1176
01:00:14,734 --> 01:00:15,514
But we can

1177
01:00:17,394 --> 01:00:19,974
curtail it to our specific individual needs.

1178
01:00:20,034 --> 01:00:20,114
We

1179
01:00:20,934 --> 01:00:24,774
either have to follow what it says or create it tailored to our

1180
01:00:25,414 --> 01:00:26,314
specific use.

1181
01:00:27,734 --> 01:00:31,494
Right. Considering the fact that there are things in

1182
01:00:31,894 --> 01:00:34,554
the borough code that prevents us from doing-

1183
01:00:34,614 --> 01:00:34,894
Correct

1184
01:00:34,904 --> 01:00:36,784
... some of the stuff that's in Robert's Rules of Order.

1185
01:00:36,854 --> 01:00:38,214
Yes. State and local ordinances.

1186
01:00:38,224 --> 01:00:42,034
So what you really want to do is you want to take this and expand upon

1187
01:00:42,054 --> 01:00:44,994
it to lay out the specific-

1188
01:00:45,114 --> 01:00:45,414
Correct

1189
01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:46,214
... activities.

1190
01:00:46,394 --> 01:00:46,684
Correct.

1191
01:00:47,494 --> 01:00:49,074
That's one option.

1192
01:00:51,634 --> 01:00:51,774
Okay?

1193
01:00:52,574 --> 01:00:56,134
And then there's also rules of procedure for public

1194
01:00:56,214 --> 01:00:56,734
meetings.

1195
01:00:57,834 --> 01:00:58,094
Are you

1196
01:00:59,034 --> 01:01:00,974
saying that you would like to get rid of this one?

1197
01:01:05,844 --> 01:01:07,604
I don't have an answer for that at this time.

1198
01:01:08,244 --> 01:01:08,564
Okay.

1199
01:01:08,664 --> 01:01:08,884
Well,

1200
01:01:10,144 --> 01:01:13,764
if I could interject, you had a motion and a second to create the

1201
01:01:13,804 --> 01:01:17,284
committee to amend the bylaws. Perhaps that would be what that

1202
01:01:17,444 --> 01:01:20,463
committee kind of figures out and brings back as its recommendation.

1203
01:01:22,104 --> 01:01:25,704
Well, at this point, I'm just trying to figure out where that committee is going to

1204
01:01:25,724 --> 01:01:26,204
be going.

1205
01:01:28,904 --> 01:01:29,324
And then

1206
01:01:30,204 --> 01:01:31,224
would that committee also-

1207
01:01:31,354 --> 01:01:33,604
That should be up to the committee to decide, shouldn't it?

1208
01:01:33,644 --> 01:01:36,664
And then we report, we, the committee, as in the council.

1209
01:01:36,724 --> 01:01:38,944
Yeah, but the council would be giving them direction.

1210
01:01:41,844 --> 01:01:42,804
I think we already have.

1211
01:01:47,064 --> 01:01:48,444
Haven't we already given direction?

1212
01:01:49,404 --> 01:01:50,964
No, we're still working on that.

1213
01:01:53,584 --> 01:01:57,404
And we've got the ordinance, so maybe there's something in here, the proposed

1214
01:01:57,464 --> 01:02:01,084
ordinance, that could be added to those other two documents and have the

1215
01:02:01,124 --> 01:02:01,534
committee-

1216
01:02:03,064 --> 01:02:03,604
I'm fine with that

1217
01:02:03,644 --> 01:02:06,544
... work on a bigger scope,

1218
01:02:07,444 --> 01:02:08,364
using

1219
01:02:09,324 --> 01:02:12,104
two documents that are already in place and one

1220
01:02:12,944 --> 01:02:16,724
that was suggested previously as an

1221
01:02:16,764 --> 01:02:20,304
alternative, but maybe all three could play a role

1222
01:02:20,704 --> 01:02:24,334
in creating the one document that the committee would do.

1223
01:02:24,364 --> 01:02:25,604
Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

1224
01:02:25,764 --> 01:02:25,774
I'm good with that.

1225
01:02:25,774 --> 01:02:28,904
I thought we already mentioned that that's what we, that the committee would do.

1226
01:02:29,744 --> 01:02:33,464
Okay. Any other discussion on this issue?

1227
01:02:36,584 --> 01:02:37,204
Hearing none,

1228
01:02:38,044 --> 01:02:40,164
all in favor of giving it to a committee,

1229
01:02:41,984 --> 01:02:42,484
say aye.

1230
01:02:43,044 --> 01:02:43,344
Aye.

1231
01:02:43,414 --> 01:02:43,714
Aye.

1232
01:02:43,714 --> 01:02:43,804
Aye.

1233
01:02:44,644 --> 01:02:45,284
Opposed?

1234
01:02:46,164 --> 01:02:47,024
It's unanimous, Gil.

1235
01:02:51,244 --> 01:02:51,274
Yeah.

1236
01:02:51,284 --> 01:02:52,684
Now we got to set up the committee.

1237
01:02:59,224 --> 01:03:01,364
Do we have volunteers for the committee?

1238
01:03:02,484 --> 01:03:03,424
I'd like to volunteer.

1239
01:03:03,704 --> 01:03:04,224
I as well.

1240
01:03:06,204 --> 01:03:07,544
I'll volunteer for that also.

1241
01:03:08,464 --> 01:03:10,564
Okay. We're limited to three

1242
01:03:11,784 --> 01:03:13,684
so that we don't have a quorum of council.

1243
01:03:14,544 --> 01:03:15,084
So,

1244
01:03:16,364 --> 01:03:17,184
it'll be Dave,

1245
01:03:19,084 --> 01:03:20,764
Cody,

1246
01:03:23,464 --> 01:03:24,164
and Michael.

1247
01:03:29,704 --> 01:03:29,714
Koleski.

1248
01:03:29,744 --> 01:03:30,964
Yes, Koleski.

1249
01:03:31,984 --> 01:03:32,324
That one.

1250
01:03:36,324 --> 01:03:36,684
All right.

1251
01:03:37,844 --> 01:03:39,804
The other Mike will be busy policing.

1252
01:03:39,864 --> 01:03:40,324
Pickleball.

1253
01:03:40,914 --> 01:03:40,914
Pickleball.

1254
01:03:40,964 --> 01:03:41,344
Yeah.

1255
01:03:43,744 --> 01:03:46,204
No, we want to know where everybody is at all times.

1256
01:03:47,184 --> 01:03:49,644
This group already got two more assignments tonight.

1257
01:03:52,344 --> 01:03:55,844
The next item of business is the youth

1258
01:03:56,004 --> 01:03:59,924
reading program. We've already heard from Emma on that.

1259
01:04:01,344 --> 01:04:02,364
And so

1260
01:04:04,044 --> 01:04:06,104
unless you have something more to say on that, Emma?

1261
01:04:07,504 --> 01:04:11,444
No, I don't think so. Just email me the dates

1262
01:04:11,484 --> 01:04:12,544
that you're willing to volunteer.

1263
01:04:14,544 --> 01:04:14,704
Yeah.

1264
01:04:15,224 --> 01:04:15,624
Okay.

1265
01:04:17,144 --> 01:04:20,464
Next up, parallel parking

1266
01:04:20,604 --> 01:04:21,684
practice area.

1267
01:04:22,844 --> 01:04:26,804
Sarah and I had a little bit of communication about this today as well, and

1268
01:04:26,964 --> 01:04:30,884
I told her earlier today, I'm still working on being able to give an update on

1269
01:04:30,924 --> 01:04:31,604
it.

1270
01:04:32,464 --> 01:04:35,594
The update, this is news to her too, so I apologize that

1271
01:04:36,404 --> 01:04:37,524
it's back to you, but

1272
01:04:39,234 --> 01:04:43,144
the area that we have planned for this

1273
01:04:43,444 --> 01:04:44,104
project

1274
01:04:44,924 --> 01:04:45,224
has

1275
01:04:46,944 --> 01:04:50,724
a third-party impediment parked in it right now, and we're trying to get ahold of

1276
01:04:50,744 --> 01:04:53,504
the company and tell them to get it out of there.

1277
01:04:54,844 --> 01:04:58,784
Once they do that, it won't take us long, but it's been

1278
01:04:58,793 --> 01:05:02,644
there for a month or two, after Brad was kind enough to

1279
01:05:02,684 --> 01:05:06,144
let the tree trimmers park a piece of equipment there.

1280
01:05:06,844 --> 01:05:08,324
So once we get it out of there,

1281
01:05:09,144 --> 01:05:12,904
we can have it up and going on more of a temporary basis pretty

1282
01:05:12,964 --> 01:05:15,934
quickly, and then we can order a little bit more permanent signs for it.

1283
01:05:15,964 --> 01:05:18,144
That's something you can put on Munis a bid, perhaps?

1284
01:05:20,084 --> 01:05:23,984
I think that the chief might have an issue if we try to sell somebody

1285
01:05:24,064 --> 01:05:27,684
else's belongings. But we might be able to move it to the impound yard and start

1286
01:05:27,764 --> 01:05:29,044
charging for it. So-

1287
01:05:29,504 --> 01:05:30,004
Have a hitch

1288
01:05:30,124 --> 01:05:32,464
... but we're working on it, and

1289
01:05:33,284 --> 01:05:36,854
it's been placed into a schedule, so to speak, now.

1290
01:05:36,904 --> 01:05:39,544
Would you have said that if the chief hadn't have just walked in?

1291
01:05:39,604 --> 01:05:40,984
It just made it fit, yeah.

1292
01:05:44,784 --> 01:05:46,484
All right. Any new business?

1293
01:05:47,224 --> 01:05:48,783
Yeah, I have something I'd like to bring up.

1294
01:05:48,844 --> 01:05:49,104
Okay.

1295
01:05:49,664 --> 01:05:53,124
I want to talk about the fact that this

1296
01:05:53,184 --> 01:05:56,304
meeting was rescheduled from its original date.

1297
01:05:56,724 --> 01:05:57,164
Mm-hmm.

1298
01:05:58,044 --> 01:06:00,604
I know I called you about this, Richard, but I want to just

1299
01:06:01,824 --> 01:06:02,724
make some points here.

1300
01:06:03,564 --> 01:06:04,364
I'm not sure

1301
01:06:05,284 --> 01:06:07,484
why the meeting didn't go on.

1302
01:06:08,404 --> 01:06:11,464
I know that you told me you knew that three people were going to be out.

1303
01:06:12,844 --> 01:06:16,544
You knew that for a fact, but there were still four of us that would've had a

1304
01:06:16,604 --> 01:06:17,024
quorum

1305
01:06:17,964 --> 01:06:20,324
and could've proceeded with the meeting.

1306
01:06:22,444 --> 01:06:23,314
So I'm not sure

1307
01:06:24,884 --> 01:06:27,064
why the meeting was rescheduled. If

1308
01:06:28,004 --> 01:06:31,944
you have some reasons that you could tell me,

1309
01:06:32,104 --> 01:06:35,374
that'd be great. And if that was the only reason, that's fine, but I think it was

1310
01:06:35,384 --> 01:06:36,284
wrong to do that.

1311
01:06:36,844 --> 01:06:38,424
Well, as I told you on the phone,

1312
01:06:39,584 --> 01:06:39,894
that

1313
01:06:40,964 --> 01:06:42,574
if we had one more,

1314
01:06:44,024 --> 01:06:44,334
then

1315
01:06:45,144 --> 01:06:46,204
the advertisement would've,

1316
01:06:48,924 --> 01:06:51,844
the meeting would've had to have been canceled at the last minute,

1317
01:06:53,824 --> 01:06:54,324
and

1318
01:06:56,044 --> 01:06:57,174
we have a cameraman here

1319
01:06:58,324 --> 01:06:59,344
who would've been there.

1320
01:06:59,384 --> 01:07:01,184
Yeah, but we could say that about any meeting.

1321
01:07:01,224 --> 01:07:05,204
Something could happen at the last minute, maybe we knew one or two

1322
01:07:05,284 --> 01:07:08,744
guys weren't going to make it, and then all of a sudden at the last minute, maybe

1323
01:07:08,784 --> 01:07:10,824
another couple guys can't make it.

1324
01:07:10,844 --> 01:07:12,984
They're stuck in traffic, they get in an accident, whatever.

1325
01:07:13,744 --> 01:07:15,164
So we could say that for any meeting

1326
01:07:15,444 --> 01:07:16,404
So what's the big deal on-

1327
01:07:16,444 --> 01:07:17,064
The big deal was this

1328
01:07:17,074 --> 01:07:18,104
... pushing it?

1329
01:07:18,344 --> 01:07:19,784
The big deal was this, we

1330
01:07:21,004 --> 01:07:24,884
had a quorum, and we could've had the meeting. The second thing for me is...

1331
01:07:27,344 --> 01:07:31,304
And that's the big thing for me, because I feel like we didn't follow the

1332
01:07:31,344 --> 01:07:32,604
rules that are set down.

1333
01:07:33,484 --> 01:07:35,184
The other thing is

1334
01:07:36,524 --> 01:07:39,924
nobody was consulted on the revised date.

1335
01:07:40,564 --> 01:07:41,504
Will that work for you?

1336
01:07:42,764 --> 01:07:45,204
Because I can tell you, tonight did not work for me.

1337
01:07:45,864 --> 01:07:45,904
I

1338
01:07:47,064 --> 01:07:48,504
run a charity, and my

1339
01:07:49,304 --> 01:07:50,924
board meeting for my charity was tonight.

1340
01:07:51,284 --> 01:07:55,224
I had to call all my board members and get them to finagle their schedules

1341
01:07:56,084 --> 01:07:58,484
so we could have our meeting on another night so I could be here.

1342
01:07:59,384 --> 01:08:01,904
So the fact that nobody was even consulted about

1343
01:08:03,504 --> 01:08:03,804
whether they

1344
01:08:04,664 --> 01:08:08,504
could make it to the meeting for a quorum, or if we could not have the

1345
01:08:08,544 --> 01:08:08,824
meeting,

1346
01:08:09,784 --> 01:08:11,584
what day would be convenient for everybody.

1347
01:08:12,164 --> 01:08:15,724
And I just think that that's wrong.

1348
01:08:16,605 --> 01:08:19,804
The rules state that if we have a quorum, we should have the meeting.

1349
01:08:22,684 --> 01:08:22,924
And I'm

1350
01:08:23,824 --> 01:08:25,664
more than happy to listen to everybody's comments,

1351
01:08:27,884 --> 01:08:28,424
if any.

1352
01:08:31,945 --> 01:08:35,164
It's water under the bridge at this time, and

1353
01:08:35,204 --> 01:08:37,744
your opposition to

1354
01:08:38,544 --> 01:08:39,804
having done it is

1355
01:08:40,804 --> 01:08:41,244
noted.

1356
01:08:41,644 --> 01:08:41,964
Okay.

1357
01:08:43,164 --> 01:08:44,224
I would like to add that

1358
01:08:45,664 --> 01:08:49,304
for future planning, that if we make a schedule,

1359
01:08:50,164 --> 01:08:53,204
it's not just about the members of this

1360
01:08:53,844 --> 01:08:57,445
council, it's also about the people of Cairo Valley, especially in the

1361
01:08:57,525 --> 01:08:59,724
summer when vacations are just...

1362
01:09:00,824 --> 01:09:04,764
People are going and coming. And we put out a

1363
01:09:04,824 --> 01:09:07,784
calendar for the whole year, we should be able to count on that.

1364
01:09:08,445 --> 01:09:10,014
And the only reason,

1365
01:09:11,544 --> 01:09:12,704
from my perspective,

1366
01:09:13,784 --> 01:09:17,424
that a borough council meeting should be rescheduled is if it's

1367
01:09:17,544 --> 01:09:21,184
proven that we don't have a quorum, and that simply did not happen.

1368
01:09:27,384 --> 01:09:27,704
Okay.

1369
01:09:29,605 --> 01:09:30,525
So noted.

1370
01:09:34,844 --> 01:09:35,105
Chief?

1371
01:09:36,084 --> 01:09:37,884
I apologize for running a little late.

1372
01:09:38,464 --> 01:09:41,605
I was at the Fairfield meeting, and then we had a couple wanted people,

1373
01:09:42,905 --> 01:09:43,924
got done getting them down.

1374
01:09:46,284 --> 01:09:47,525
A couple things I wanted to bring up to you.

1375
01:09:47,884 --> 01:09:48,784
Obviously, you saw that

1376
01:09:50,004 --> 01:09:52,544
the 4th is going to be our National Night Out, so if you guys want to come, we

1377
01:09:52,565 --> 01:09:54,044
always have a very good turnout for that.

1378
01:09:54,784 --> 01:09:55,694
Kids like coming, and

1379
01:09:56,684 --> 01:10:00,564
all the entities of Adams County. We always get the sheriff's department and

1380
01:10:00,744 --> 01:10:03,124
the planning commission. They all come, and the

1381
01:10:03,984 --> 01:10:05,474
kids have a really good time usually.

1382
01:10:05,824 --> 01:10:08,144
We have stations they go to, so they try to get as

1383
01:10:09,964 --> 01:10:12,184
many as they can. When they do that, they have a chance to win bikes.

1384
01:10:13,944 --> 01:10:17,604
Bikes that are donated. Bike

1385
01:10:18,604 --> 01:10:20,844
Master, I think, donates the bikes to you guys is the one-

1386
01:10:21,304 --> 01:10:21,804
Our charity

1387
01:10:21,904 --> 01:10:23,684
... we were very grateful for that.

1388
01:10:24,444 --> 01:10:27,624
Another thing I wanted to bring up is our car situation.

1389
01:10:28,844 --> 01:10:32,484
Car number 49, which is the one that has the LPRs, has been going in and out of the

1390
01:10:32,504 --> 01:10:36,314
garage for the past two months with issues with overheating.

1391
01:10:36,624 --> 01:10:39,214
And everything's been covered with

1392
01:10:40,084 --> 01:10:43,324
warranty work, but last week I

1393
01:10:43,384 --> 01:10:47,264
called because I was upset because we still wasn't getting it back, and apparently

1394
01:10:47,924 --> 01:10:49,584
we need a whole new engine. So-

1395
01:10:50,224 --> 01:10:51,484
That's the newest one, correct?

1396
01:10:51,564 --> 01:10:53,144
Yeah, that's the first one we got.

1397
01:10:54,664 --> 01:10:56,424
But it only has 40,000 miles on it.

1398
01:10:57,364 --> 01:10:59,644
Apparently, I found out later that

1399
01:11:00,764 --> 01:11:02,364
something that's not uncommon.

1400
01:11:03,544 --> 01:11:06,344
Got to wonder if they're eventually going to come up with a recall for it, because

1401
01:11:07,204 --> 01:11:11,004
Gettysburg, their three Dodge Durangos, all three of them

1402
01:11:11,044 --> 01:11:14,024
had engine issues. Cumberland's one, I think, had two engines.

1403
01:11:14,824 --> 01:11:15,004
So,

1404
01:11:15,904 --> 01:11:19,564
still been told that it's still the best police car they got out there to offer

1405
01:11:20,004 --> 01:11:22,764
at this point. The reason why I wanted to bring it up to you guys and let you know

1406
01:11:22,804 --> 01:11:26,674
that it happened, obviously, from what I hear, it takes a month to even

1407
01:11:26,944 --> 01:11:28,964
get approval to even put the engine in.

1408
01:11:29,664 --> 01:11:33,593
So it's going to be at least a month, possibly more, for them to eventually put it

1409
01:11:33,593 --> 01:11:33,694
in.

1410
01:11:35,244 --> 01:11:38,973
That being said, with the car that we have, we're going to put up for

1411
01:11:40,684 --> 01:11:44,194
try to get that in running order that we can use in case,

1412
01:11:44,924 --> 01:11:46,624
say, another one blows up. Who knows?

1413
01:11:46,664 --> 01:11:49,304
Who's to say that the other one has the same amount of miles on it?

1414
01:11:49,424 --> 01:11:50,973
So I'm praying that doesn't

1415
01:11:52,004 --> 01:11:54,204
happen. We've had problems from this one from the beginning.

1416
01:11:54,864 --> 01:11:58,064
Jonathan was in training, and he had to get it towed out of there.

1417
01:11:58,124 --> 01:12:00,484
They had to do something. They did a bunch of stuff to the engine.

1418
01:12:01,064 --> 01:12:01,304
But

1419
01:12:02,604 --> 01:12:06,424
we're lucky that aspect of it goes up to 100,000 miles with its warranty.

1420
01:12:08,044 --> 01:12:11,594
It blows my mind after I heard all of it, because I didn't hear anything about any

1421
01:12:11,624 --> 01:12:14,384
of that, and now all of a sudden like, "Oh, yeah, that happens all the time."

1422
01:12:14,464 --> 01:12:16,264
Supposedly, it's just cheaply made with...

1423
01:12:17,684 --> 01:12:20,684
It has the coolant right next to the oil.

1424
01:12:21,144 --> 01:12:24,004
They're both next to each other, and they're plastic, and they break, and then they

1425
01:12:24,404 --> 01:12:26,824
get intertwined, and it goes in the engine and destroys it.

1426
01:12:27,404 --> 01:12:31,114
So you think it would be an easy fix, get better ones aftermarket, and then

1427
01:12:31,404 --> 01:12:33,384
they could do them with all, but that obviously is not the case.

1428
01:12:34,684 --> 01:12:36,104
So I just wanted to give you a heads-up on that.

1429
01:12:37,184 --> 01:12:39,224
Hopefully, it'll be sooner than later.

1430
01:12:39,304 --> 01:12:43,254
They didn't give me any timeline. Like I said, they didn't even call and tell

1431
01:12:43,284 --> 01:12:46,674
me they were doing it. They just, "Oh, yeah, by the way, we need a whole new

1432
01:12:46,674 --> 01:12:46,884
engine."

1433
01:12:48,064 --> 01:12:51,874
So it's in that process. They said they got to tear it all down, take

1434
01:12:51,964 --> 01:12:53,824
pictures, submit it, and that's when...

1435
01:12:57,264 --> 01:12:58,864
But I wanted to give you an update on that.

1436
01:12:58,964 --> 01:13:00,904
I know that they talked about the grant.

1437
01:13:02,504 --> 01:13:05,464
Did you guys talk about that at all? I wanted to just give you a heads-up on that.

1438
01:13:05,504 --> 01:13:07,044
I've been working with our grant writers.

1439
01:13:07,704 --> 01:13:11,504
There was a grant that we could set up for that comes at the end of the year.

1440
01:13:12,724 --> 01:13:16,234
It's approximately $100,000. I broke it up-

1441
01:13:21,732 --> 01:13:23,722
But the first thing I put in for was new

1442
01:13:25,392 --> 01:13:26,592
are kind of outdated.

1443
01:13:27,752 --> 01:13:31,432
About new ones that are out there with technology, about 40

1444
01:13:33,172 --> 01:13:35,832
to run them, so that's part of the grant that we put in for.

1445
01:13:36,272 --> 01:13:40,122
I put in for two more LPRs, so each car would have an LPR in it,

1446
01:13:40,472 --> 01:13:41,292
license plate reader.

1447
01:13:42,412 --> 01:13:43,242
That was about 30

1448
01:13:45,432 --> 01:13:46,042
also put in for

1449
01:13:48,252 --> 01:13:49,972
hollow sights to put on them and stuff like that.

1450
01:13:50,392 --> 01:13:54,212
We're carrying .45s now, but everyone's pretty

1451
01:13:54,231 --> 01:13:55,862
much transitioning to 9 millimeters.

1452
01:13:55,912 --> 01:13:59,772
They've found, I guess, it's more efficient, I guess, at

1453
01:13:59,812 --> 01:14:00,272
this point.

1454
01:14:01,372 --> 01:14:03,152
The ammo's more abundant too, isn't it?

1455
01:14:03,232 --> 01:14:06,672
Yeah. So it's, I think that was eight or nine grand.

1456
01:14:06,732 --> 01:14:09,201
So the total's like, like I said, $99,000.

1457
01:14:09,452 --> 01:14:09,552
And

1458
01:14:10,932 --> 01:14:12,612
our grant writers did a real good job.

1459
01:14:13,082 --> 01:14:16,132
I worked with them days on end, so just giving them the information, what they

1460
01:14:16,192 --> 01:14:20,092
needed, but it's like a 50 page document basically sent over

1461
01:14:20,152 --> 01:14:21,172
and hopefully,

1462
01:14:22,292 --> 01:14:25,892
I feel, I think it's 25 million for the whole state, something like that, and we

1463
01:14:25,912 --> 01:14:29,732
were able to put in up to like 50. So I'm hoping to,

1464
01:14:30,332 --> 01:14:31,432
by the end of the year, to find out

1465
01:14:32,772 --> 01:14:35,462
we're getting some of it. So, they've been really good at writing stuff compared to

1466
01:14:35,492 --> 01:14:36,012
other people.

1467
01:14:38,172 --> 01:14:41,352
So knock on wood we're a little step ahead and hopefully we get some of that money.

1468
01:14:42,672 --> 01:14:44,092
But I just wanted to give everybody those updates.

1469
01:14:45,592 --> 01:14:46,592
Good. Thank you.

1470
01:14:46,852 --> 01:14:47,092
Mm-hmm.

1471
01:14:54,412 --> 01:14:56,172
Any other new business?

1472
01:14:58,872 --> 01:15:00,292
All right, we'll move on to

1473
01:15:01,352 --> 01:15:02,412
open to the public.

1474
01:15:03,312 --> 01:15:07,282
Josh Williams, you had indicated that maybe at the

1475
01:15:07,352 --> 01:15:07,632
end.

1476
01:15:08,332 --> 01:15:12,122
We're pretty much at the end. So I didn't want to be dang horse ten acres

1477
01:15:12,122 --> 01:15:15,832
about military mobile homes. So Josh Williams, 14 Gladys Trail.

1478
01:15:16,532 --> 01:15:18,252
If you guys don't know me, this is me.

1479
01:15:18,992 --> 01:15:22,292
So I just want to remind the residents of Carroll Valley Borough that if you're

1480
01:15:22,332 --> 01:15:26,192
going to cut your grass or have your grass cut by anybody,

1481
01:15:26,272 --> 01:15:30,161
make sure that the grass clipping's removed from the roadway because it

1482
01:15:30,212 --> 01:15:33,272
is a safety issue for motorcyclists and bicyclists.

1483
01:15:33,752 --> 01:15:36,132
It's like driving on ice. Also,

1484
01:15:37,052 --> 01:15:40,852
if your house has a gravel or a dirt driveway

1485
01:15:41,092 --> 01:15:44,822
and there is a heavy rain and you have runoff into the roadway,

1486
01:15:45,332 --> 01:15:49,192
that is your responsibility as the homeowner to remove said

1487
01:15:49,292 --> 01:15:53,272
runoff from the roadway back onto your property for safety

1488
01:15:53,312 --> 01:15:53,712
issues.

1489
01:15:55,272 --> 01:15:58,012
The Skylark Trail, the hiking trail, is getting done.

1490
01:15:58,552 --> 01:16:01,312
Another concern I have is the condition of Skylark.

1491
01:16:01,802 --> 01:16:02,992
That road itself is

1492
01:16:03,972 --> 01:16:07,952
wonky, potholes, not wide enough if we're going to have a trail in there.

1493
01:16:08,532 --> 01:16:12,212
I think it needs to be widened a little bit to the right side as you're going up,

1494
01:16:12,952 --> 01:16:15,932
so that way there'll be room for two vehicles, and if we're going to put parking

1495
01:16:15,972 --> 01:16:18,752
areas on the trail along, as far as I was reading.

1496
01:16:19,092 --> 01:16:21,472
There's going to be different parking areas for trail heads.

1497
01:16:22,552 --> 01:16:26,082
So if you're going to pave parking lots, let's just repave Skylark,

1498
01:16:26,632 --> 01:16:27,992
because that is a main thoroughfare

1499
01:16:28,792 --> 01:16:29,802
up and down that mountain.

1500
01:16:32,592 --> 01:16:34,632
Get a motorcycle for one of your cops.

1501
01:16:34,672 --> 01:16:37,072
It's a lot cheaper to maintain.

1502
01:16:38,772 --> 01:16:39,252
That way you-

1503
01:16:39,652 --> 01:16:41,242
Yeah, but these roads aren't the greatest for them.

1504
01:16:44,052 --> 01:16:45,842
No, no, for the gear. Let's see. That's all I got.

1505
01:16:45,972 --> 01:16:47,592
So gentlemen, ladies, thank you for your time.

1506
01:16:48,952 --> 01:16:49,572
I'd add

1507
01:16:50,932 --> 01:16:51,752
that our crew

1508
01:16:53,752 --> 01:16:55,112
road sweepers

1509
01:16:55,912 --> 01:16:59,152
got a lot of junk to take off the roads all over.

1510
01:17:00,612 --> 01:17:03,312
Know there's going to be some complaints coming from up in the mountains.

1511
01:17:05,852 --> 01:17:06,772
We've already had them.

1512
01:17:07,692 --> 01:17:07,832
Yeah.

1513
01:17:07,912 --> 01:17:11,252
They worked pretty hard to clean up after some rains.

1514
01:17:11,472 --> 01:17:14,881
I wasn't here to witness them, but I understand it was a good bit and-

1515
01:17:14,972 --> 01:17:15,432
Two inches

1516
01:17:16,012 --> 01:17:16,012
...

1517
01:17:16,932 --> 01:17:20,842
but I think we have some work to do to reach out to some folks,

1518
01:17:20,912 --> 01:17:24,212
especially the ones with the stone driveways and,

1519
01:17:25,012 --> 01:17:28,992
it might be time that we push, because we do have rules that if that happens,

1520
01:17:29,072 --> 01:17:32,832
we can make them pave the apron so it doesn't happen.

1521
01:17:32,972 --> 01:17:36,552
So I'm going to work with Mr. Bean and, Big Beans.

1522
01:17:37,122 --> 01:17:37,122
Bean.

1523
01:17:37,132 --> 01:17:37,592
He has an S?

1524
01:17:37,832 --> 01:17:38,432
Mm-hmm.

1525
01:17:38,532 --> 01:17:40,062
Mr. Beans, and

1526
01:17:40,992 --> 01:17:44,532
talk with him about it, and we might try to identify some of those major

1527
01:17:44,632 --> 01:17:47,392
problem areas that were causing washing onto the roads.

1528
01:17:47,652 --> 01:17:51,212
Yeah, you can go no further than Warren Trail where

1529
01:17:51,232 --> 01:17:55,052
there's construction going on and the gravel

1530
01:17:55,132 --> 01:17:56,632
was coming down the road.

1531
01:17:57,052 --> 01:17:58,192
On a construction site?

1532
01:18:00,012 --> 01:18:00,252
Yes.

1533
01:18:01,272 --> 01:18:03,752
Sorry, my bad, Sarah. I crossed that one out and didn't read the one below it.

1534
01:18:04,312 --> 01:18:07,272
So that was for Phil. I'll work with you, I heard about that construction control.

1535
01:18:08,932 --> 01:18:12,472
The lot across the street from my house on 14 Gladys is a vacant lot,

1536
01:18:13,052 --> 01:18:16,032
and whoever owns that lot has dumped construction

1537
01:18:16,092 --> 01:18:19,752
debris on the lot, just piles of concrete and

1538
01:18:19,892 --> 01:18:23,712
dirt. Is there any ordinance against if somebody

1539
01:18:23,812 --> 01:18:25,782
owns that lot, they can just-

1540
01:18:25,832 --> 01:18:27,692
It's not supposed to be used for fill.

1541
01:18:29,672 --> 01:18:33,332
Not necessarily. I have to look at it before I could give you an answer

1542
01:18:33,532 --> 01:18:37,412
on whether or not it's permitted, because small piles, and

1543
01:18:37,472 --> 01:18:40,112
if it's considered clean fill, it might be okay.

1544
01:18:40,192 --> 01:18:40,892
But we most-

1545
01:18:41,302 --> 01:18:41,302
Like concrete this big

1546
01:18:41,302 --> 01:18:43,932
... in most cases. Concrete-

1547
01:18:47,332 --> 01:18:47,732
Not anymore?

1548
01:18:48,892 --> 01:18:52,032
I don't know the answer. So, but I'll check it out tomorrow first thing.

1549
01:18:54,872 --> 01:18:55,372
Thanks.

1550
01:18:55,432 --> 01:18:59,202
If I have a second, again, he reminded me of something I forgot to bring up, and I

1551
01:18:59,232 --> 01:19:02,682
know I've been kind of beating this to death for the past two meetings, but

1552
01:19:03,852 --> 01:19:04,932
coming up every week,

1553
01:19:05,812 --> 01:19:08,932
I just want to let everybody know out there again about the e-bikes.

1554
01:19:10,232 --> 01:19:13,212
Been having more issues with them, and I don't know if you guys have seen or not,

1555
01:19:13,292 --> 01:19:16,532
but you were at a kid killed on one. Have to

1556
01:19:16,592 --> 01:19:17,972
be

1557
01:19:19,732 --> 01:19:20,472
, not 16

1558
01:19:21,682 --> 01:19:25,416
. Myself. And I've been doing a pretty good job of

1559
01:19:25,776 --> 01:19:28,756
getting up with most of the kids in the group that have them, and there are a ton

1560
01:19:28,816 --> 01:19:29,386
that have them,

1561
01:19:30,216 --> 01:19:33,326
just to make sure that they're not on the roadway until they're 16.

1562
01:19:34,496 --> 01:19:36,856
On top of that, there's also the fact that

1563
01:19:37,756 --> 01:19:40,516
they've been running some issues with e-bikes as well with their size.

1564
01:19:41,216 --> 01:19:44,276
If it goes over 20 mile an hour and it has the

1565
01:19:44,576 --> 01:19:48,496
750 watts, it's not legally allowed to be on the

1566
01:19:48,536 --> 01:19:52,396
roadway. The idea of an e-bike, what it's supposed to do is assist

1567
01:19:52,436 --> 01:19:56,076
you on it. It's not supposed to run you up and down the road, which is happening

1568
01:19:56,636 --> 01:20:00,376
some of the times that they're on. So we've been having issues with that, and

1569
01:20:00,756 --> 01:20:03,796
I wanted to let everybody in the public know, just make sure your kids aren't out

1570
01:20:03,806 --> 01:20:07,786
there. I've already warned enough that I told them, I'm like, "Listen, if I have to

1571
01:20:07,856 --> 01:20:11,106
warn you again, I'm going to have to cite you." Kids don't want to be cited.

1572
01:20:12,776 --> 01:20:15,096
They are wearing their helmets and everything else, but it's illegal.

1573
01:20:15,856 --> 01:20:16,986
The vehicles that are on aren't-

1574
01:20:17,936 --> 01:20:21,256
One other thing I wanted to bring up as well is we've been having an issue,

1575
01:20:22,576 --> 01:20:24,826
not even with kids, it's adults, that they have that

1576
01:20:25,896 --> 01:20:29,836
big, round wheel, and it has things on both sides.

1577
01:20:29,876 --> 01:20:32,336
It's not a Segway. That's not what a Segway is.

1578
01:20:32,896 --> 01:20:36,616
It's an electric vehicle, and that's not allowed to be on the roadway.

1579
01:20:36,626 --> 01:20:37,266
Been having

1580
01:20:38,236 --> 01:20:40,366
people that have been going around trying to sell some

1581
01:20:41,236 --> 01:20:42,596
certain things that have been getting permits.

1582
01:20:42,636 --> 01:20:44,296
They're like, "No, you can't have these on the roadway."

1583
01:20:45,236 --> 01:20:45,736
Stop selling these.

1584
01:20:46,976 --> 01:20:49,016
Yeah. They're hoverboards or whatever they're called.

1585
01:20:49,076 --> 01:20:50,716
They're not allowed on the roadway either.

1586
01:20:51,336 --> 01:20:51,816
Make sure

1587
01:20:52,716 --> 01:20:55,176
if you have kids that have them out there, you have them going up and down.

1588
01:20:56,356 --> 01:20:59,956
So Chief, to clarify, on the 750-watt bike,

1589
01:21:00,436 --> 01:21:03,316
it's 749 or under is allowed on the road for anybody?

1590
01:21:04,636 --> 01:21:06,726
Except for 16. You have to be 16 years old.

1591
01:21:07,016 --> 01:21:09,566
So over 16, they can have whatever size e-bike they want.

1592
01:21:09,566 --> 01:21:13,356
No. That 750 is the bike period. What it says, the

1593
01:21:13,416 --> 01:21:16,296
actual thing it says is it can't weigh over 100 pounds.

1594
01:21:16,656 --> 01:21:20,176
So I guess there's ones that have more batteries to them or bigger tires.

1595
01:21:20,396 --> 01:21:24,136
I don't know what that aspect of it is, but it says the motor can't be rated more

1596
01:21:24,196 --> 01:21:26,936
than 750 watts, which is one brake horse.

1597
01:21:28,116 --> 01:21:28,306
And

1598
01:21:29,176 --> 01:21:33,076
what that, it goes with-- So if you go back to on the Facebook

1599
01:21:33,136 --> 01:21:37,096
thing, it breaks each thing down. So it says minimum age, which is 16, and

1600
01:21:37,116 --> 01:21:39,996
that's kind of covered under our vehicle code,

1601
01:21:40,616 --> 01:21:42,596
that's when they decided that it was

1602
01:21:43,396 --> 01:21:46,696
750, the e-bike. So that's what covers it, saying

1603
01:21:46,716 --> 01:21:49,256
unless you're 16. Not saying you need a license.

1604
01:21:51,276 --> 01:21:55,096
And then it talks about no license, no registration, stuff

1605
01:21:55,136 --> 01:21:57,956
like that, because technically it's supposed to be a bike.

1606
01:21:58,356 --> 01:22:01,696
It's just, it's to assist you to go up and down hills and everything else.

1607
01:22:02,016 --> 01:22:03,396
When it says 20 miles an hour,

1608
01:22:04,416 --> 01:22:06,896
you got to remember that as well, that only means going straight.

1609
01:22:06,956 --> 01:22:10,946
So if you're going down a hill and you're going a lot of fast, everybody can

1610
01:22:11,016 --> 01:22:14,956
go. So we're not looking to ding anybody for that, but the main thing is it

1611
01:22:15,116 --> 01:22:19,086
can only go 20 mile an hour, and it can't be over 750.

1612
01:22:19,526 --> 01:22:20,376
We've had a couple already

1613
01:22:21,596 --> 01:22:21,916
that of the

1614
01:22:22,896 --> 01:22:23,246
capacity,

1615
01:22:24,376 --> 01:22:24,556
not

1616
01:22:25,596 --> 01:22:26,776
using what they're supposed to be.

1617
01:22:27,096 --> 01:22:30,676
They can be registered under a motorized pedicle,

1618
01:22:31,136 --> 01:22:34,976
which they have the electric power used, but that

1619
01:22:35,016 --> 01:22:37,656
one actually has to be registered through the state.

1620
01:22:37,686 --> 01:22:37,796
And

1621
01:22:38,696 --> 01:22:41,256
when you register it, obviously you're going to have everything else.

1622
01:22:41,596 --> 01:22:41,606
Those are still-

1623
01:22:41,606 --> 01:22:44,636
You got to get a motorcycle? Is that a motorcycle endorsement as well?

1624
01:22:45,216 --> 01:22:45,356
No.

1625
01:22:46,216 --> 01:22:50,176
Just Class C, that's normal. But like I said, then that goes only

1626
01:22:50,356 --> 01:22:53,256
up to 25, so there's so many stipulations with the stuff.

1627
01:22:53,776 --> 01:22:56,276
If you have any questions, go to my Facebook page.

1628
01:22:56,636 --> 01:22:58,905
Each one of these things is spelled out completely on it.

1629
01:22:59,386 --> 01:23:02,926
It tells you how much power it has, how fast it's allowed to go, and

1630
01:23:02,976 --> 01:23:05,336
everything. What the brake power, the horsepower of the thing is.

1631
01:23:06,436 --> 01:23:06,616
So

1632
01:23:07,776 --> 01:23:10,876
everybody can get informed with it, and like I said, we don't need

1633
01:23:11,616 --> 01:23:14,986
something like York. We don't want some kid getting run over because they're out in

1634
01:23:14,996 --> 01:23:15,356
the roadway.

1635
01:23:16,896 --> 01:23:19,036
That's my main concern, kids obviously

1636
01:23:20,416 --> 01:23:22,476
getting run over, because our roads

1637
01:23:24,056 --> 01:23:26,806
aren't the biggest by any means. They're big roads and everything else- ...

1638
01:23:26,876 --> 01:23:29,316
but it'd just be easier, just make sure the kids aren't out there on them.

1639
01:23:30,336 --> 01:23:32,856
So I'm hoping that the parents seeing this just know.

1640
01:23:33,656 --> 01:23:36,996
And some of them just think, "Hey, they're just riding down the street." Most

1641
01:23:37,016 --> 01:23:40,076
accidents happen within two miles of your house in the first place.

1642
01:23:40,356 --> 01:23:42,556
Out in the roadway with it, that's where it's going to happen.

1643
01:23:43,716 --> 01:23:46,526
I just want to bring it back up. I know I've been killing it to death, but it

1644
01:23:47,236 --> 01:23:48,236
doesn't seem to want to leave.

1645
01:23:51,216 --> 01:23:51,476
Thank you.

1646
01:23:52,556 --> 01:23:53,176
Thank you, Chief.

1647
01:23:55,316 --> 01:23:57,576
Do we have a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn.

1648
01:23:57,796 --> 01:23:58,276
Seconded.

1649
01:23:59,116 --> 01:24:00,446
All in favor say aye. Aye.

1650
01:24:00,546 --> 01:24:01,036
Aye.

1651
01:24:01,556 --> 01:24:02,326
Unanimous, Gail.

1652
01:24:04,416 --> 01:24:08,006
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