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Uh good evening everybody. Welcome to
the conservation uh commission meeting

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for Wednesday, February 18th, 2026.
Uh this meeting will is being cablecast

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by Area 58 Community Access Media
Channel 15 and will be posted by Area 58

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on YouTube as soon as possible. Um, all
of our continued public hearings tonight

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have been continued. One more meeting to
March 4th, which looks to be a pretty

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busy meeting. [clears throat] Uh, so we
have a very light schedule tonight. Uh,

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first order of business, I would like to
uh introduce our new conservation agent,

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Olivia Prior. Olivia comes from us from
uh to us from Marian. Do you want to

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introduce yourself somewhat a word or
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» about what you did? So, yeah, I used to
work for the conservation commission and

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planning board in um in Marian. Um and I
just started this month and I'm excited

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to work with you all and um learn more
about the projects going on and see what

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I can bring for each of those.
>> Welcome aboard. Yes.

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» Great. Um okay. Uh we only have three uh
issues tonight for uh on discussions.

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Um, and we'll start with Sarah Hans.
>> So, this is a uh a bit a discussion on a

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warrant article for the annual town
meeting.

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[clears throat]
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I I don't have

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anything to give you because I plan for
this discussion to end with my telling

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you I'm going to withdraw the article.
[laughter]

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» [clears throat]
>> Um, so I had originally um put a put an

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article in to the select board and it
read something like this uh to see if

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the town will um prohibit the building
of any any the approval of any house lot

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that has more for construction, single
family home construction that has more

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than 30% wetlands on the lot, including
Cranberry Box

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And um [clears throat] so it sounded
great, you know. So then um we got to

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the select board meeting and it's it is
true. Our town council reminded me um

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that I had foolishly forgotten this is a
zoning article. So it really needs to go

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to the zoning board first. Uh I wanted
to come to you guys with it and I plan

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to at some point. It'll be in some some
shape. Maybe not this particular form

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that it's in now. Um, I do want to run
it by the planning board and I also

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would like to run it by the um,
uh, the growers association because it

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this article is really designed to
prevent form A lots from being built

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um, with pieces of cranberry bog on them
that really probably aren't going to be

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worked anymore as cranberry bogs. Um,
and then but they're going to be sold to

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homeowners. And now there's a question,
who who owns that piece of that bog? Do

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I'm the homeowner. Do I get the berries
or does the guy who owns the bog still

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get the berries? It's on my deed. But
it's it's just too complicated.

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» And so it's to prevent that sort of
complication. It's also, but I don't

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want it to exclude the possibility of
cranberry uh farmers who have um s

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children who they might want to give
house lots to um and they're in the

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family. So, they may continue to farm
those same cranberry bogs um with 30% of

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that
um lot being in cranberry bog. That's

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kind of a different situation because if
it's in the family and they they want to

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continue to to run run the cranberry box
and harvest, that's kind of a different

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situation. I don't want to exclude that.
The way I proposed it would exclude

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those kinds of um
those kinds of lots and I don't want to

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do that. And plus, I'm running out of
time with planning board. They need they

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need to schedule a meeting to talk about
it. Then they need to schedule two

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consecutive
uh runs in the newspaper ad so the

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public can hear about it. And the way it
is now, we're going to run out of time.

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» Okay.
>> So that's why I'm saying that I'm going

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to withdraw the article,
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» for this year's war. But I I do plan to
bring it back in some form because I

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would like to
um protect the cranberry box without

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hampering those in the agricultural
commi community who are trying to do the

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right thing and also preventing people
who are aren't doing the right thing.

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They just want to make a house lot and
who cares about the ownership and the

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berries and the agriculture.
>> Mhm. Um, so that's those those were my

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concerns and I hope I haven't wasted
your time.

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» No, I don't think so. So, you're
basically talking uh you know something

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like the three homes uh that were built
uh on the corner of Lake View in South

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Maine that include cranberry box would
not be allowed under your proposal.

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» Correct.
>> It's funny you should mention those.

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Yeah.
>> Unless they were,

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» for example,
unless they were family,

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» right? Okay. When whenever you rework
that. Okay.

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That would be the whole idea because I
know in the past I'm not going to

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mention any names but I do know some
growers who have come say to the

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planning board and said I want to create
a format and this is going to be for my

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son and [clears throat] yes it has a
piece of this bog but he's going to take

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over my box for me when I pass on and I
but I want him to have a house lot

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there. He's moving back to town. We're
trying to keep it in the family.

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[snorts] That's the kind of thing you
want to encourage.

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So,
>> so do you think you might make that a

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stipulation that always the vogs are
going to still be harvested if if a

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family member moves in or just they can
be?

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» Well, so and that's the problem. See, we
have to get the legal language down.

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» Exactly. and and the zoning and um I
just thought of as

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couple people have brought this to me as
a what they see as a problem and and I

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think it is kind of a problem in town
potentially.

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Um, but uh I just didn't think it
through very well. And I'd like to I'd

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like to do that and have the opportunity
to get it really framed correctly in

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terms of zoning, in terms of cranberry
industry

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in in in its good intentions and and
legally get it. Let's get it right. You

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know,
>> have you spoken to anybody in the

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growers association?
>> I have just today.

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» Just today.
>> What's the general consensus on that?

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The consensus is that we should hold off
and and let's let's think about this and

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bring it back at a future date if
possible. Um because it's it is an

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issue. They they're having issues with
that too, but they also don't want to

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prohibit the examples that I gave you
with family members. [snorts]

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» So it's it's more complicated than it
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» Yeah.
>> Everything is

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» as everything is. Yes.
>> That sounds pretty complicated to me. So

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[laughter]
>> yeah.

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» Okay.
>> So thank you for listening.

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» All right. So we'll stay tuned.
>> Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

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» Thank you.
>> Take care.

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» Okay. Um next up uh is um there is a an
old barn on the southern a northern end

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of Savory Avenue that is on conservation
property. And for a long time it's been

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deteriorating. And uh we've had we've
had discussions about trying to see if

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there was some way to get someone to
come in and maybe um harvest some of the

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uh timber that's there, old barn boards,
things like that for reuse. And um uh 20

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ines of snow um made that determination
impossible because now the roof has

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collapsed and everything's inside it.
So, um, uh,

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I think it's a, uh, a safety hazard now.
Um, so, um, I think Olivia, if you can

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talk with, uh, the building inspector.
>> Okay. and see if he can condemn the

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building
and then um ask what steps the town

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takes
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the town has the the wherewithal to um
[snorts] pretty much um demolish the

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building and fill in the basement or um
ask us to use our

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funding to pay for the same. Um,
I think uh I think in the near term it

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would be good if perhaps the DPW could
go out and yellow tape it

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» so no one goes in there. Um, if they
could do that, if that's something

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that's they would be willing to do. Um,
and then, you know, just card away

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what's there or shove it into the hole
and and bury it. Um, but there's glass

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and stuff like that. So, I wouldn't I
would think probably pulling the stuff

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away would be the better option. But ask
if uh ask if there's any precedent or

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protocol for uh for buildings that are
condemned that are town owned.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. Um, anybody have any comments

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about that?
>> No, I think you're right. It needs to be

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taken down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll just figure out

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how we have to go about doing that. But,
uh, our, uh, our hand has been forced in

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this, [snorts] uh, by the snow.
Um, okay. Lot three cranberry is is, uh,

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continued till March 18th. All our
continued public hearings from the other

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day from not the other day, J from
January 7th and earlier are continued

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again.
>> Who um, just out of curiosity, who

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especially Golden Pond, was that by me
or is that who asked for the

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continuation? Uh I think it was sort of
by consensus. Uh

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» yeah, I had asked them if they were okay
with continuing because we issu or the

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enforcement order was issued. Um the
deadline for them to provide a

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delineation is March 4th and we haven't
received anything from them like any

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sort of response or a delineation yet.
So I just asked them if they wanted to

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continue because
>> like that was the next step. So I don't

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know.
>> So they got they they're in receipt of

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the the order.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah. It was certified mailed to them.
Right. But that also included surveying

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which is uh
>> Yeah. That was going to be tough

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especially
>> Yeah. [laughter]

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» Yes. Yeah. So, uh yes, continue to the
fourth and and you know hopefully we get

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something by then and uh
>> uh if not if weather prevents them from

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doing that we'll
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» move it. We'll bump it back another
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» And didn't we we're going to go look at
it too, right? As

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» uh yes, but I mean there's no sense in
looking at it now. It's going to keep

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nothing look like any other meadow in
>> it's got to be warmer than average

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temperatures. That's what they're saying
for the next month.

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» Yeah, but it's going to be cold.
>> Oh, the Osprey is back at Nelson Beach.

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[clears throat]
>> Do we um do we know if the D has weighed

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in on this yet
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» on on Golden Pond on the Golden Pond?
>> I don't know.

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» That was a topic of conversation last
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» Yeah. I don't know how involved they are
because it it's uh it's pretty much

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done,
>> right?

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» You know, the project's finished for all
intents and purposes.

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Um I think that the next step if we
issue a positive determination, meaning

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it's uh I mean a negative determination,
meaning it's okay, that that me will

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take it to the D.
>> Well, I know she said she reached out to

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him and hadn't had her.
>> All right. I haven't heard anything from

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uh from them. Have you heard anything
from me about D on this issue?

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Not about this.
>> So, um, so uh All right.

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» So, okay. Um, I guess the only other
thing we have to do is the minutes from

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uh the 7th.
>> You want to talk about the

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» Oh, do you want to talk about the
conference?

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» The conference?
>> Oh, yes. The conference. The MAC

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conference. Um,
there is a MAC conference. the

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Massachusetts Association of
Conservation Commissioners in Worcester

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on the 28th of February. We have $500,
you said, in in our budget for training.

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» Yeah. For seminars and trainings.
>> Seminars and training. Um Olivia has

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indicated a desire to go. She's going to
investigate whether she can go on a

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town. Um
>> so I did talk to Elaine about that and

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would be under the
>> under the 500 for conservation. Okay,

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that's fine. Still, it's what's $120.

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» So, it there's part with the me. So
there's the member rate and then there's

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non-member rate and [clears throat]
>> all commission members all the

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commissioners are members but um like
each year when they bill that yearly the

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dues um it's like an add-on to include
the agent or any staff into the

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membership and um I'm like we're not
like Emil wasn't and I'm not

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» okay
>> a member yet. So,

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» okay.
>> I could talk to them either about if I

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would be added to as like a member or
just go with the non-member rate.

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» Okay. Well, I mean either way it doesn't
really make a difference. What's the

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cost for non-members? Do you know?
>> No, it's it's like a [clears throat] the

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members is 180 and the number of members
might be 250. But shouldn't she be a

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member anyway? It wasn't a male member
because he was on Marian. You have to be

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when you're on a conservation
commission.

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» Yeah. All the
>> So, he must have been a member.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Well, he so he would have
been a member through that though, not

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as staff for Carver.
>> Is it an annual?

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» So, yeah, it would be
>> So, he probably expired.

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» Oh, maybe.
>> So, it would be like $65, I believe, to

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add staff to the annual membership,
which I guess kind of evens out with

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that.
>> Okay.

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» The non-member rate versus the member
rate. I think you should be a member of

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it.
>> Well, I would I would see if there's a

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way that you can um even if you have to
use the $500 to become a member. Um

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still, if you could if you can add if
you can become a member now and get the

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member rate, it's going to be less than
you going as a correct

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» as a uh as a non-member and you'll be a
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» Right. Right.
>> So, uh you know, two two of you each at

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at 180 is 360 and another 65 is uh 425.
So that still is went under our $500. So

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I think that that's what you should
probably look into doing.

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» Does anybody else want to go?
>> Hey, do you want to go?

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» I mean, I'm interested, but anyone else
wants

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» I have never been.
>> Okay.

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» I was aware.
>> Um, but no, I was including you as as

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being as someone who wanted to go and
the two people.

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» Sure, but I don't know if you guys if
someone else

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» you short notice. There's no way I could
pull that off. I mean,

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» I work most Saturdays, so
>> yeah, I'm going to be in New Hampshire,

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so
>> it's 8 o'clock in Worcester, so it's not

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going to be a blast, but I'll do it.
>> Take one for the team.

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» Take one for the team. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Well, good. Good. I I Yeah, I um I
haven't been to the yearly the annual

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» I've never been.
>> Uh but I've been to a number of seminars

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down in Buzzard's Bay at the at the
Maritime.

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» I've been to it. It's a little uh you
know, it's huge, you know, so you got to

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sort of pick and choose what you want to
go see. Sometimes you don't know what

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you want to see cuz you're not quite
sure what we're talking about.

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» But yeah, it's interesting.
>> I mean, I'll send the agenda out so you

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can all see if there's a thing you want
me to attend. Let me know. I mean,

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there's things on vernal pools. I could
tell like some focus more on

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agriculture, which I definitely want to
go to versus like ocean

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» because we're not really that
>> yet. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Not yet. Um,

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so great. That would be great.
>> And you get food out of it, too.

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» [laughter]
>> always a bonus. I'm sure I'm sure

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there's $180 worth of food there.
>> It's not bad.

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» Okay, [laughter]
>> cool. Thank you.

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» Okay. Uh, anything else about anybody?
>> Nope.

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» No. Okay. Um, did everyone read the uh
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» Yep.
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» Uh, any um issues, corrections, etc.?
>> I thought they were fine. I make a

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motion to approve minutes as written.
>> All right. We have a motion. Second.

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» Second.
>> Give it to Jen. Um

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I the right ear here is better than the
left. Um all right. So it's been moved

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and seconded to approve the minutes as
written for uh January 7th. All those in

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favor say I.
>> I.

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» Any opposed? Hearing none. That's
approved unanimously. Um motion to

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adjurnn.
>> I'll make that motion. I'll second. Jen.

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And uh
>> that's record time.

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» That's a record meeting.
>> Uh okay. So we have a motion to um to

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adjurnn. All those in favor say I.
>> I. Any opposed? Hearing none.

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» We're done. We're out. Thank you. Area
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» Thank you. [music]