[0:03] Welcome everyone to our regular town
council meeting. It's Wednesday, August
[0:07] 19th at 6:30 p.m. We're at lap 2 Castle
Valley Drag. We're also available on
[0:12] Zoom tonight.
Um we're going to go ahead and do a
[0:16] quick roll call and then we'll open with
open public comment.
[0:21] So here we have Jasmine Duncan, Robert
O'Brien, Tory Hill, Emily Gibson, Harry
[0:28] Holland, Doré Honer, Colleen Thompson,
Ron Drake, Eggmont Honer, Li Wellins,
[0:35] and guest star Neil Herbert.
[0:41] » I'll go ahead and open uh the public
comment.
[0:47] » I've got something. Um, I just wanted to
make sure everybody was aware of the DWR
[0:53] and the simpler negotiations going on
the Lasowl blocks. So, they've entered
[0:59] into a purchase agreement where the DWR
if they get the money, they'll buy um
[1:05] there two blocks of land up on the
mountains that are set property. So,
[1:11] it's about I think the north one's about
12,000 acres and the south one's about
[1:16] 14 15,000 acres.
Um, so that's a negotiation and no
[1:22] defending the chat, but I just wanted
people to know about that.
[1:26] » And those those are out of our wershed.
They are just barely just barely.
[1:31] » Yeah. Just right on the other side.
>> Yeah.
[1:34] » That goes into a public reserve or like
a wildlife is what they're looking at.
[1:39] » Well, the DWR would actually own it.
>> They'd manage it. They say they would
[1:43] manage it pretty much like it is now
with hunting
[1:46] » recreation and grazing too. So
>> not not the parcels that are in our
[1:52] wershed.
>> No, it's the it's the two big blocks. If
[1:56] you look on a map, they're big blue
chunks on top of all the cells.
[2:00] » Oh, okay.
>> One on the south, one on the north.
[2:02] » Okay.
>> So, yeah, it's just over the ridge from
[2:05] our road.
>> Okay. Robin asked my question. So,
[2:12] » other open public comment. Neil, did you
want to introduce yourself?
[2:16] » Yeah, I will take that opportunity. Um,
hi everyone. My name is Neil Herbert and
[2:20] I'm running for the atlarge seat. I'm a
Korean county commission currently
[2:25] occupied by a field. Um just to give you
a brief background um I moved here in
[2:32] 1994
to uh to work for Cany National Park and
[2:36] I continued work for parks here for
about 20 years. Uh at the same time
[2:41] around the late 90s I started a web
development business and uh produced a
[2:46] lot of websites for businesses
nonprofits uh all over town including
[2:50] the town of Castle Valley. We determined
sometime in the early 2000s or around 28
[2:55] 2007. Um in 2013 I got a job offer in
Yellowstone. I couldn't fuse and left
[3:01] for about 13 years. Went to Yellowstone,
worked for the parks service, moved to
[3:04] Boise, Idaho, worked for Department of
the Interior in various capacities. Um
[3:10] but last year I left the government and
also left the web development behind and
[3:15] moved back to MA and my new job is
running Karen County.
[3:20] Um so happy to meet you all. Uh I firmly
believe that the Grand County that Grand
[3:26] County deserves um leadership built on
trust, respect, and collaboration. I
[3:31] think that's been lacking somewhat from
what I've seen in recent meetings. Um
[3:36] and uh if you agree with that or if you
disagree with that, I'd love to talk to
[3:40] you more. I am going to be back here
next Thursday. There's a get to know the
[3:45] candidates event, I believe, here at
6:30. Um, and I'll be here along along
[3:50] with a few other candidates. So, and get
a chance to talk a little more in depth,
[3:54] but wanted to come out early and
introduce myself and watch a Castle
[3:58] Valley Town Council meeting. So, thank
you.
[4:02] » Thanks, Neil.
>> You're in for a show.
[4:06] » Any other open public comment tonight?
>> Okay, we'll move on to item two,
[4:12] approval of the minutes. First, the
minutes from our regular town council
[4:15] meeting of July 15, 2026.
[4:21] I move we approve those as presented.
>> Second.
[4:25] » Further discussion. All in favor?
>> I
[4:29] » I
>> abst.
[4:31] » And then um approval of the minutes from
our public hearing on the tax increase
[4:35] from August 12th, 2026.
So keep in mind these are sent to you in
[4:41] a PDF form because
public hearing minutes are pretty much
[4:46] verbatim. We're not very concerned about
typos.
[4:50] We do have to get these minutes to the
state like tonight.
[4:57] So with all that in mind, are there any
obviously
[5:02] big blenders? That's what that we need
to address.
[5:08] » I move we approve those.
>> Second.
[5:11] » Any further discussion? All in favor? I
I understand.
[5:17] Okay, we'll move into item three,
executive reports. Um, our water agent
[5:21] water advisory committee report. John
and Obie, you're up.
[5:27] » Or I guess I'll go first since I was at
the WAC meeting. Um, we had a very
[5:33] informative meeting. We covered our
usual topics pretty quickly, but the
[5:38] main event of the meeting was an
appearance on Zoom by attorney attorney
[5:43] Emily Lewis. Sue Bellagamba arranged
this. They have a relationship from
[5:47] Sue's days at the Nature Conservancy.
And Emily um basically
[5:53] explained
the current state and and the concept of
[5:57] water banking and water leasing to us
and it was very informative. I I again I
[6:04] she was quick to point out this is a you
know the whole thing is a work in
[6:09] progress but but she gave us kind of
where an overview of where it seemed to
[6:13] be heading and what um how it would
probably need to be approached in the
[6:18] future if it became a strategy that
Castle Valley wanted to employ. It was
[6:23] it was time very well spent. Um, I've
asked her asked Emily if she could if
[6:28] she had a PowerPoint presentation. Um,
if if she could send that to us. Um,
[6:34] maybe she sent it to Sue. I have not
seen it yet.
[6:38] Anyway, it was it was great. Um, I can't
say enough good things about her. Um,
[6:43] speaking of attorneys, um, as at the
last meeting, we agreed I could go ahead
[6:47] and and contact the town, the current
town water attorney
[6:52] regarding proposed revisions to the
water use ordinance and the water use
[6:56] agreement and permit. I've attempted to
do that. I emailed him and got no
[7:02] response for what seemed like enough
time that I then called. And um, I did
[7:08] get him. And apparently his father, the
senior Jonathan Clyde, had died just a
[7:15] few days earlier and they're all kind of
wrapped up in that. And we agreed that
[7:20] the attorney John Clyde that we work
with would call me sometime this week.
[7:23] He'd review what I he would review what
I had sent him and we'd get our heads
[7:28] together this week. It hasn't happened
yet, but that's still the plan. Um I
[7:32] think that's pretty much all I have.
[7:37] » Obby, anything to add? The only thing I
add is the one thing they that Lewis
[7:42] said basically was our 40-year plan as a
town gives us a fair amount of
[7:49] protection. And then it's a bit unclear
what we might do after that, but there
[7:56] was a lot of food for thought that I'm
sure we'll be discussing at the water
[8:00] committee.
Did you have Amy?
[8:04] » I did listen to the recording and of
course pretty good minutes by minutes
[8:10] shar. So um well well done.
>> Yeah, very well done and and what we
[8:17] referred to the 40-year plan. That is
kind of the
[8:21] the the key to the the the protect the
basically the the statutory
[8:28] um authority towns have to maintain
unused water rights um stemming from the
[8:35] 2009 Utah Supreme Court decision. Um and
and the town does have a 40-year plan.
[8:41] One was filed at that time. Um, which
means it's due for renewal in what,
[8:47] spare me the arithmetic,
23 more years. Um, I talked to Chad
[8:54] about it. Um, Chad, excuse me, cash and
and you know, and he said basically you
[8:59] can renew them any time if if you know
if there's fundamental changes in in in
[9:05] your water reality or whatnot, you you
can you can update your 40-year plan at
[9:09] any time. I've talked to Sarah about
that. I don't think we're planning on
[9:14] taking any immediate action, but it's
something to sort of keep in mind to be
[9:17] proactive about that because that really
is
[9:20] again the key to the protections that
towns enjoy with respect to water
[9:24] rights.
>> John,
[9:28] » can I ask something? Um, you had sent us
an email maybe last week, but I can't
[9:33] find now for some reason about comments
on the state's water plan.
[9:37] » Yeah, John, did you happen to look at
that and is there any reason that we
[9:40] need to look at that? I I looked at it.
I not not in great detail. I scanned it.
[9:46] Um I don't think there's
much reason to comment on it. Um it
[9:52] looked pretty good to me. Um
again, I didn't see nothing jump off the
[9:58] page at me. That's something we would
want to register our feelings about. And
[10:03] of course, um would they pay attention
anyway? This is this is the state. Um,
[10:09] » well, I just wanted to make everybody
aware of it mostly.
[10:12] » Yeah, and I'm glad you did because I I
was unaware of it until you till you
[10:15] sent that link. Um, you know, but I got
to say that Utah, for all the misgivings
[10:20] we might have about other ways the
government functions, is is always been
[10:24] pretty forward thinking and and and and
about water. In other words, I I I I
[10:29] tend to trust the people at the state
level who are who are managing water and
[10:34] the and the current state engineer and
others. I don't always agree with them,
[10:37] but I think they doing their best and
and and and thinking things through and
[10:41] and and um you know, planning wisely.
>> Well, that's good to hear.
[10:48] » Yeah.
>> Thanks.
[10:53] Any other questions for the guys? Okay,
we'll go ahead and move on to the rub
[10:59] department report. Questions for Dorier?
Additions from Dorier.
[11:04] » Um I had a question. So, uh, side repair
cost estimates. Um, so Lebrand bid that
[11:11] out at $9 a foot and from your
>> It wasn't actually a bid. This was a
[11:17] project that they had done previously.
Um, so it was just what the end value
[11:22] ended up being for them. Uh, it's kind
of just as a
[11:26] » on a similar situation or
>> Yeah. The essentially the same process.
[11:31] » Uhhuh. And um you came in at 450 a
square foot. Is that after you and
[11:37] Eggmont did a bunch of the repairs and
then
[11:40] » Yes. So the last two sets of patches we
got down to about that value. Before
[11:46] that it was a little bit higher. Um just
kind of optimizing what we're doing. Um
[11:52] granted a big part of that is still the
material. So the cold patch is
[11:57] essentially $250 out of $450 per square
foot.
[12:01] Um, so realistically, I'm not sure how
much lower you can get, but that's the
[12:07] contract price versus ours.
>> I was very impressed at the grading job.
[12:12] I don't know who who was running the
machinery, Eggmont. That was awesome. I
[12:17] couldn't imagine how you didn't tear up
more of the asphalt than you did. I
[12:22] mean, seriously,
>> it was more the files than blade.
[12:26] » I know. I could tell that. And I'm I am
in awe that your ability to run that
[12:32] greater. So, thank you. That was that
was great. Good job.
[12:37] » Really good job.
>> Saved us a lot of money.
[12:40] » Well, hopefully
>> they're making more work.
[12:44] » Yeah. Um so, we've kind of optimized
that. There may be some equipment that
[12:49] could make this an easier process in the
future. Take less time, less equipment,
[12:54] things like that. Um, at this at this
stage, it's totally research. It's kind
[12:59] of out there seeing if it would work.
Um, I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in
[13:03] there, cold in place recycling. I can
send you some resources on that if
[13:07] you're interested. But essentially what
it is is instead of um getting fresh
[13:12] material in um the cold mix asphalt, uh
we would just use the torn up uh asphalt
[13:21] off the road with the mill. Um this is
hopeful. Um it is done on larger
[13:27] machines but smaller scale may not be as
viable. Um but hopefully it would
[13:35] eliminate bringing in new material. You
would just bring in the oil and mix it
[13:39] with the
>> the
[13:41] » with the old asphalt. Um and it would
also eliminate getting rid of the refues
[13:45] which is one thing that is not included
in the $450
[13:49] » and we would have to take it to
Klondike. So, it is a trip.
[13:53] » And as you were doing that, does it seem
cost effective for you two to be doing
[14:01] all of that work, or is that going to be
a big deal?
[14:07] » I mean, for the most part, we probably
have more edge repair to do than most
[14:13] people would. Um, at some point, they'd
probably just pave it or do whatever
[14:17] else with it. Um, so we're kind of in a
neat unique position there. Um,
[14:24] but I think with machines the time
especially could be optimized because
[14:30] right now um,
essentially each pothole is two to three
[14:35] hours guaranteed plus an hour or two of
prep on either end. Um, getting things
[14:40] ready, cleaning up afterwards. Um, and
if things go well with other equipment,
[14:46] it could be reduced massively. I'm not
sure how far, but um, I have started
[14:52] talking to CAT and some other equipment
suppliers to hopefully get
[14:57] demonstrations and things like that to
see if this these kinds of pieces of
[15:02] equipment would suit our purposes or
not. So
[15:05] » I think my my biggest concern with the
amount of side work that we need to have
[15:11] done
>> now before we chip seal my question is
[15:15] more like
I see I see that amount of work becoming
[15:21] more of a capital project than I do an
operational
[15:25] project.
>> Yeah. I don't want to see all of that
[15:28] coming out of our operational budget
because it would take our entire year's
[15:32] budget.
>> The question I mean right now we're not
[15:36] we're essentially not full-time and the
thing is if you contract it out it's
[15:41] going to cost you at least twice as much
essentially. That's
[15:45] » but what I'm saying is is that if we're
going to have you do it in house, you
[15:49] also need to do your regular
maintenance. So the money for that I
[15:54] think should be coming out of capital
>> not out of our operational budget and
[15:58] has to be in addition to maintenance
that already needs to be done. And if
[16:03] that's all good
with everybody and everyone's time,
[16:09] » well, that that is one of the
considerations because essentially if
[16:14] this type of system works
optimally or the dream situation for it,
[16:20] I'm not expecting that by any means, but
essentially the 4hour thing could be
[16:24] reduced to like 15 minutes with maybe 30
minutes of prep on either side, but then
[16:30] you could do essentially a full day of
just doing all the potholes. You have
[16:34] one hour of crap and you get a lot of
work. So,
[16:37] » and we could buy the equipment out of
the capital funds. That would
[16:41] essentially be the the idea.
>> Yeah,
[16:43] » eventually. Um,
>> so then that would be the question. Can
[16:48] we afford the equipment with what we
have in capital?
[16:52] » My question is more
>> how quickly does the equipment become
[16:57] worth it?
>> No. How much time do you guys want to
[17:00] put in?
I mean, you've been, you know,
[17:04] seriously, because you've been hired as
a part-time position and then that
[17:08] makes, you know, your whole year. Oh,
now I'm working full-time.
[17:12] » Well, it didn't work last year.
[17:22] » Very part time. Let me rephrase.
>> Yeah. because because they were saving
[17:26] money because the
>> profit
[17:28] » trying to save money and which they did
which is awesome because
[17:31] » now the big project is the asphalt at
the sides. I mean
[17:36] » one example that I wasn't even fully
aware of but uh between pace and
[17:41] Buchanan where we just put the four in
where it sticks out is actually the
[17:45] original road. There's essentially two
feet missing off of that whole section
[17:50] of road
>> that needs to be put back on. So
[17:53] essentially the $450 price that we're
talking about just between Pace and
[17:58] Buchanan and the dog leg is probably 20
or 30,000 as it stands. So it's going to
[18:07] be expensive one way or the other. Um
we could potentially abandon the outer 2
[18:14] feet of quite a bit of the road and just
reduce it down to 10T.
[18:19] So, right now the original width was 12
feet per lane.
[18:24] » Um, but it's that's going to be a
consideration. U,
[18:30] and
if you have the equipment and you can
[18:35] bring down the price and the time with
that, it makes it easier to deal with in
[18:39] the future and less of a hassle.
>> As long as you have people to use the
[18:43] equipment.
>> Yeah.
[18:45] » And what kind of equipment are you
talking about? So the basis of it or
[18:51] essentially one of the core pieces of
equipment is what's called a cold
[18:55] planer. It's essentially a bunch of
carbide teeth on a drum that spins
[18:59] around chews up the asphalt and little
bits. Um
[19:04] and like one of the things right now is
we're often doing quite a bit of the
[19:08] work with a pickaxe
and the equipment. I mean you guys got
[19:13] lucky that I'm under 30. I don't know if
you'll get that lucky again. Probably
[19:17] easier to have somebody operate
equipment than to be
[19:20] » swinging a pickaxe out in 100 degree
weather. So,
[19:24] » uh that's kind of another consideration
there. Uh
[19:28] » and you're not going to be under 30
long.
[19:30] » No, I know. It's running out.
>> Well, that's also that's a huge
[19:35] consideration because we're not really
attracting a lot of people under 30
[19:38] either.
And I see a lot of these things probably
[19:42] are going to have to be contracted in
the future
[19:45] » potentially
>> and we're probably going to end up
[19:47] selling all this equipment because we
won't have anybody to run it.
[19:52] » That's like reality.
[19:57] » So you get back to us on how much this
equipment should cost it.
[20:02] » Yeah. I'm right now I'm kind of trying
to figure out what model would work for
[20:06] us. Right now it's looking like the used
price is
[20:10] between 10 and 20. Um the one that we'd
most likely go for I think is 24,000
[20:15] new.
>> Is that one going to compact too or just
[20:18] chew out
>> that just choosing? Uh so we wouldn't we
[20:23] may still want to get a separate wheel
compactor. I've asked for quote on like
[20:29] greater amount of compactor. So I'm
looking into other options for
[20:32] compaction. But
yeah, we would hopefully at least have
[20:37] some compaction directly after it,
especially if we do the recycling. Uh,
[20:42] so hopefully it's only a few passes to
do it and reducing it because right now
[20:48] we are at a minimum of four machines. If
we're doing a piece of patching out
[20:55] there, it's four machines that we're
taking. Um, and even just reducing that
[20:59] to two is huge because then it's no back
and forth, no logistics.
[21:06] » Do you mind if I ask?
>> No, go ahead.
[21:08] » Yeah. Um, how much material like how
much raw material do you need? Because I
[21:13] mean when you're when you start getting
so much dirt into the asphalt, then you
[21:18] start having the whole thing collapse,
you know? I mean, that's I was just, you
[21:22] know, in you've got cod, you've got
asphalt that's in there now, right?
[21:27] » Yes.
>> And and you're grinding that up to make
[21:30] the new layer.
>> It the oil alone isn't going to have
[21:34] enough uh cohesion. You're going to have
to have more asphalt as part of that.
[21:39] That's that's what I'm saying. When you
add dirt to that, you know, so I've just
[21:43] concerned about the thickness of the
asphalt,
[21:45] » and if it's going to be more dirt than
asphalt, then you're you're going to run
[21:49] it.
>> Yeah. Um, so I've already gone down the
[21:52] rabbit hole on this, but essentially
what it comes down to is we have a bit
[21:59] of road base underneath the road. Um,
again, you can adjust how deep you go.
[22:03] Often they do like two to three inches
at a time.
[22:06] » U, but essentially the cold patch
asphalt that we're getting is roadbased
[22:12] mixed with it. It's called oil, but it's
actually an asphalt emulsion. Okay?
[22:17] » So it's mixed with water. The way the
emulsion works is once the water
[22:21] evaporates out, it is cured and then it
is no longer water solid. So, it doesn't
[22:26] like wash through.
Uh, but you can thin it with water. You
[22:30] can clean it up with water or so. Um,
but it's essentially the there is a
[22:37] concern with the super clay stuff. If
you get too much of that in,
[22:41] » that's what I was thinking. But you
should be able to modulate the mixture
[22:47] enough hopefully. Uh
>> add some of what you already have to the
[22:51] recycle if you needed to.
>> Yeah.
[22:55] » Um and like if if we need more material,
we just put in road base or even just
[22:59] the old asphalt chunks that we have, we
can just grind up, put in there.
[23:03] » Again, this is the hope.
>> Uh it is done on larger scale machines.
[23:08] I just haven't seen a unit that's sold
for smaller stuff. Well, that's what I
[23:12] was thinking worried about if it's
small,
[23:14] » but there's definitely ways to deal with
it. And essentially, all the formulas
[23:18] that are out there for it are all up to
DOT and like interstate specifications
[23:23] and they've been there for 10 years and
they've had it just fine. So, even if we
[23:28] don't hit on the perfect mixture, we are
not trying to hit DOT specifications.
[23:33] And like the cold mix asphalt we're
using is nowhere near DOT specifications
[23:37] to begin with. So,
um, it's the question of would it work
[23:42] well enough for us,
but good question. Thank you.
[23:47] » No, no, I was just I was just concerned
that we get too much, you know, play
[23:51] place of material with it.
>> There there would be ways to deal with
[23:54] it and you can control the depth very
precisely. So,
[23:58] » um, you can definitely minimize.
Other question?
[24:03] » Just a comment on the $244 a gallon
transmission fluid.
[24:10] » Do you want
No,
[24:14] » that's 110 gallons. 2,449.
>> It's about 24 gallons.
[24:20] » 20. I'm sorry.
>> Yes,
[24:21] » it's on the agenda.
>> Is is still expensive.
[24:25] » Too much.
[24:30] » Okay. Well, hopefully we're not changing
this oil uh
[24:35] in the next 30 years would be my guess.
So,
[24:39] » this is Oh, great. Not another six month
thing.
[24:41] » No, it's not a six month thing. This is
>> This is about as big as it gets. You
[24:46] need to put another 2,000 hours of
machine before you get anywhere here.
[24:49] » Oh, and it's good to see you taking care
of our Yes,
[24:53] » that's
>> Thank you.
[24:54] » to replace it. It's about a quart
million dollars and we got really lucky.
[24:58] So, it's worth a few thousand cubits.
Nice.
[25:01] » Yeah, no kidding.
Okay, we'll move on to the planning and
[25:06] land use
commission
[25:10] questions there
minutes in your packet.
[25:15] Um, Pamela, do you have anything new
from Utah Renewable Communities?
[25:21] » Nothing to report for. We're working on
the getting the word out. I've had been
[25:27] in contact with folks at
uh Moab and in Grand County so to get
[25:34] out the word and so we're moving.
>> Okay.
[25:39] » Can we back up to the pluck?
>> Sure.
[25:42] » Um I just a question on the containers.
Two containers were dropped and no
[25:47] permit or
>> Great. Happens a lot.
[25:52] » Not infrequently. Excuse me. Yeah. I
sent an email to the owner. Haven't
[25:57] heard that.
>> Okay.
[26:00] » Yeah, that actually that does happen a
lot. They just show up and sometimes it
[26:04] gets reported and sometimes nobody not
nobody thinks anything of it. They just
[26:10] don't realize they need a certificate of
land use compliance
[26:14] » for drop a container.
>> Yeah, it's mostly just to make sure the
[26:18] setback is okay. And this thing and it's
drainage.
[26:22] » Please don't forget that.
>> This this happened to be right across
[26:26] the road from where Ryan lives, so he
noticed
[26:30] » and he mentioned it.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[26:35] » Um Ron Drake, anything for the fire?
>> Well, I might mention that Patrick uh
[26:43] Kelly has donated all this.
you call it weightlifting workout
[26:50] equipment.
And so next week we're gonna put that to
[26:54] go get it put it up at the firehouse. So
uh all the old equipment that we had up
[27:00] there is is down here by the fire
building and anybody's welcome to it.
[27:08] So
>> there's two Nordic tracks, an
[27:13] elliptical, a Bowlex, and what else do
we a little bike
[27:19] » from 1972?
>> It weighs about 1,400 lb.
[27:26] » It was the AB cruiser from the
>> ke.
[27:32] Yes.
>> Too much fun.
[27:37] And how much are the memberships to this
new health club going to be?
[27:42] » Just have to
[27:46] join the fire department.
[27:55] » Anything else?
>> No.
[27:59] » I'm calling anything from information
technology.
[28:03] I'm just trying to spread the word that
when we have power outages now, the
[28:08] library's free Wi-Fi is on a battery
that should last for at least 12 hours.
[28:14] And we've also now got uh the town's
network, including the server and one
[28:20] office computer on a battery backup that
should go for hopefully at least 12
[28:25] hours in case there's an emergency we
have to access information.
[28:31] Thanks for getting that taken care of.
>> Any correspondence?
[28:36] » No.
>> Uh, so we do have two
[28:42] positions open. Um, our clerk and our
grounds keeper both had things come up
[28:50] and ground day.
>> Yeah, there we are again.
[28:57] So yes, still advertising those
positions.
[29:01] Any letters we need to talk about?
Okay. Anything else under
[29:06] administrative?
I
[29:09] » think so.
>> Okay.
[29:12] Uh then we'll move into new business.
Item six, discussion and possible action
[29:16] regarding updating the capital projects
plan. So, during our uh tax increase
[29:21] public hearing when um Bill Gustin
brought up the long-term planning, I
[29:27] thought this would be a great time to
get that out and update because we did a
[29:33] bunch of the stuff on on
>> Yeah, I was noticing that. Yeah, good
[29:36] timing.
>> And it's time to do that.
[29:40] So, wherever it is here.
So, obviously, um,
[29:48] the tip ceiling of Castle Valley Drive
is going to stay on our capital projects
[29:52] plan always because that's a 7 to 10
year project. Every 7 to 10 years, we
[29:58] take care of that major maintenance of
Castle Valley Drive.
[30:04] And that is largely what our budget this
year, why we went into a tax increase
[30:10] discussion to begin with.
So we did the lower water crossing in
[30:16] the upper 80.
We replace our greater.
[30:21] We bought a different backhoe.
Um,
[30:28] so we still need a dump truck
and what we had also put a rock crusher
[30:37] in here
>> compactor and coal planter are probably
[30:41] higher up the list. The
>> replacing this.
[30:45] » Yeah, at least for now.
>> Did you catch that, Josyn?
[30:48] » A coal planer and a contractor.
>> Yeah. replaces
[30:55] » the rock crusher.
>> I mean, that's something, but that's
[30:58] like two or three years out at this
point. And
[31:00] » but it needs to be in the capital
project.
[31:03] » I mean, it's something that could make
gravel a lot cheaper. That's the main
[31:08] deal we have.
>> I had a question. What is the sander?
[31:12] Purchasing a sander.
>> That was something we discussed at our
[31:15] last
>> that that is something that we may still
[31:17] be considering. Um the there's a number
of different options, but essentially
[31:22] what it is for is for spreading a thin
layer of materials. So like during the
[31:28] winter, you can use it for spreading
sand on the roads for deicing and
[31:32] traction. Okay.
>> Um if you want to do a thin layer of
[31:34] gravel that's very even, you can do it
for that.
[31:37] » Technically, it's the same system that
they use for chip sealing uh for laying
[31:42] the actual chips down. So there's a
bunch of fuses for that.
[31:48] do. So, we had discussed and I think we
probably need to change this one because
[31:54] just the the viability of our water
situation here. Um, running water to the
[32:00] road shed.
>> Yeah. And I don't think it's worth it
[32:04] either.
>> We're bringing personal water to
[32:09] pressure wash with because both this lot
and lot 13 are scary right now.
[32:15] » Yeah. So, what about a tank that you
could actually have back there?
[32:19] » Like a gravity feed system
>> up behind the, you know,
[32:25] » that could replace that eggmart.
>> You need a pumping system for that
[32:30] because I tried it today just with a
gravity feed even if I'm high up.
[32:35] » But you could put a pump in a tank.
>> I'm sorry.
[32:37] » You could put a pump in a tank.
>> Well, I mean, we could just get another
[32:41] » Yeah, it's not a problem. I mean, I'm
just saying just gravity feed.
[32:46] » It won't do it.
>> And essentially, we have the tanks on
[32:50] the water truck,
>> right?
[32:52] » And if you need clean water, you can
settle it out or we can go through
[32:57] Castle Valley Academy if necessary.
>> So, there are a few options there.
[33:03] » Is it still is getting Wi-Fi up there
still something we need to work on?
[33:08] Um, we kind of have Wi-Fi through the
fire department. If we open up the
[33:12] garage doors, but
if the garage doors are closed, you
[33:16] don't have Wi-Fi.
>> So, that's we at least have a pseudo
[33:20] solution for that.
>> And I think we have discussed the co the
[33:25] cost of paving compared to chip ceiling
being pretty much out of reach for this
[33:30] kind of a community.
Um, so we did also do our isotope study.
[33:38] So are we still thinking about another
monitoring well? Does that mean to stay
[33:43] on
>> I I it's I think it's ambiguous because
[33:46] of course we have the well that was
originally within the wellace
[33:53] and I think that may be sufficient
>> and that might be what we end up using.
[33:58] All right.
We have the peer review done of our
[34:02] water study. Um, and so the partial
flume, we still look at something at the
[34:09] top, right?
>> At the top, but we have the one at the
[34:11] bottom
>> that the Colorado River,
[34:14] » right?
>> Thank So there's no monitor of top, but
[34:19] there's nothing that there's no partial
flow at the top.
[34:21] » Okay. So that needs to stay on here.
>> And if that's outside, would that need
[34:25] to be outside the town boundary?
Does that
[34:29] » Yeah, it would be it would be it is
outside.
[34:31] » It is outside because it's on the other
side of the valley.
[34:34] » Yeah.
>> So, we'd have some kind of like what do
[34:35] they call it? Extra territorial
jurisdiction.
[34:38] » No, we we'd probably have to talk with
BLM or if it's in 7th Day Advance
[34:44] property, but I think it's out might be
outside of their property, but they put
[34:48] a pipe through there to pipe water down
to them, too. So,
[34:52] » probably Yeah. So, we need to convince
them to do it instead of spending our
[34:56] capital projects money on it.
>> It'd be nice if BLM would put it in, but
[35:01] I doubt that.
>> Um, but because this is our capital
[35:06] projects plan and we are looking at
metering, which is required by the
[35:10] state. Um, that maybe should be should
that be a capital project in this plan?
[35:16] » I think that could be
>> because we're going to have to come up
[35:18] with.
>> Yeah.
[35:20] » Yeah. Definitely.
>> Yeah. I think it is important to know
[35:23] the the amount coming in, the amount
going out.
[35:26] » Oh, definitely.
>> Well, and it's a requirement.
[35:29] » Yeah.
>> Okay. We had also talked about um our
[35:34] emergency operations
and that including a generator for lot
[35:39] 13
>> and would we still want to do that if
[35:42] that will is all
>> they already have a generator on 13.
[35:46] » Yeah. Um,
>> I think
[35:51] we're already working on backup power
for our emergency operations out of the
[35:56] building. I think the only other thing
would be actually powering the building
[36:00] so that there was a place for people to
be warm or cold
[36:05] » and some of those prolonged outages.
>> Yeah. Egg, is that still a ongoing
[36:10] project or
>> uh this is a plan. It's not a a project
[36:14] in process. It's like, you know, if
we're if we're going to have a capital
[36:18] projects account, do you have a plan for
that money?
[36:22] » It it's not necessarily active. One of
the big reasons for this plan is a lot
[36:27] of times grants or other things like
that won't even talk to you if you
[36:30] haven't
>> if you don't have it on the plan.
[36:33] » That's one of the big reasons. Mhm.
>> Yeah. This one was created for the CBG
[36:38] grant,
>> but we need to keep it active because we
[36:42] also need to be budgeting money into our
capital projects accounts every year,
[36:48] not just overage. I mean, it needs to be
part of our budget.
[36:52] » We don't have any kind of priority this
list, right?
[36:56] » It's totally interchangeable.
>> Yeah. Um,
[37:00] » I think it'd be important to have a some
kind of backup for this building that
[37:05] would heat and cool.
>> Yeah, that was
[37:07] » and I talked to a couple of people a
couple of weeks ago who came here to get
[37:11] to cool off
>> because their houses weren't cool
[37:13] enough.
>> Well, with a swamp cooler and humidity
[37:16] and they won't.
>> That's right.
[37:18] » Some people don't even have cool.
>> We don't.
[37:23] I'm amazed cuz I go into your house and
I'm like, "Oh my god, I would die if I
[37:27] lived here.
So something big enough I mean you know
[37:31] it might even have to be a gas powered
or propane generator.
[37:34] » What's Yeah.
>> That is the fire department generator
[37:40] » that is actually suitable I just
discovered to
[37:44] » that you brought up
>> wider for one phase.
[37:49] » So that would be three buildings at
least.
[37:52] » I'm sorry what?
>> That's all three buildings at least.
[37:55] That's the whole lot. Easy.
>> Yeah. You mean the existing one or the
[38:00] behind the building?
>> Well, which would be really important to
[38:02] have the fire station on there too and
that way the doors work and like you
[38:08] know the
>> you won't have automatic kick on with
[38:11] that though. But that's
>> and that old generator actually work.
[38:15] » So that's a manual turn on. Someone
would need
[38:18] » No, you can actually automate it.
>> Okay. Okay.
[38:22] So that's definitely something that
should be in our capital projects. Um,
[38:26] the other thing that I've been thinking
about and I don't know at what point
[38:32] this could be 10 years plus out is
looking at our Shaper Lane ingress
[38:38] egress for emergencies after having used
it and then having uh flooding after the
[38:45] fact.
>> Oh,
[38:46] » where Plaster Creek crosses Schaffer
Lane um went over the road again.
[38:53] So there's definitely some work needs to
be done there and I don't know if that
[38:57] in the future
maybe another low water crossing or I
[39:02] don't know if that needs to become a
capital project.
[39:06] » The thing is is right now it is
essentially a low water crossing. It is
[39:09] a dirt one but um last year the year
before um over the past two years we
[39:17] have been armoring that with really
large rock. So, it should be very
[39:21] difficult for that to fully wash out.
The surface will likely get rough when
[39:25] that happens, but I mean, the same thing
happens at the upper 80. And if it's got
[39:29] the same structural integrity and cost
180,000 less,
[39:33] don't know if it's worth it going for
the concrete.
[39:35] » Well, if it doesn't need to be a capital
project, then I'm because this is going
[39:39] to determine like how much we need to
budget each year
[39:43] to go into those accounts.
>> That's not super critical. There's other
[39:47] ways to deal with it. Okay. So,
>> so
[39:55] where we're at right now is taking care
of Castle Valley Drive and um
[40:02] potentially some equipment to do that.
>> Can I ask just a
[40:07] » water metering?
>> Sorry.
[40:09] » Go ahead. Um, so back in 2024,
why was the town
[40:16] putting a generator for lot 13 on our
wish list?
[40:20] » Okay.
>> And not the fire department
[40:22] » emergency service
>> because it would benefit the whole
[40:26] » town,
>> but the fire department ended up paying,
[40:30] right?
>> You know, it's a publicly owned
[40:33] » Yeah.
>> parcel by the fire district.
[40:35] » Yeah. And then, you know, like we talked
about last night, the well there is not
[40:39] doing so great. Is that something that
the town and the fire department could
[40:44] work on together budget-wise or is
>> I don't know.
[40:50] » I mean, I it could be
I think, you know, the commissioners
[40:56] would have to look at their budget and
see.
[40:58] » Yeah. I' I'd like to really have some
asurances that it we were not just
[41:03] drilling another bad well like we did 10
years ago.
[41:07] » Is anything
>> Well, I don't think drilling another
[41:09] well is probably the option right now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. The plan or maybe one of the
[41:15] options is to
put a couple 500
[41:20] 5,000 gallon like storage tanks
underground
[41:25] and pump them slower.
You know, the pump would be higher and a
[41:31] smaller pump. So, it wouldn't be sucking
up all all the mud and dirt that it is
[41:37] now. And we would keep that full
and pump out those
[41:43] » and could be pumped still
fast. So the the old pump is too big for
[41:49] the well,
>> right?
[41:51] » That pump would go into the tanks
>> and pump fast, but the tanks would have
[41:56] to slow fill with a smaller pump to keep
the sediment from getting in there. And
[42:02] that would also improve the use on our
um vehicles
[42:06] on all the fittings and everything that
all the stuff.
[42:10] » Yeah.
>> The fire vehicles
[42:12] » and the town's water trucks that fill up
there. Yeah.
[42:16] So, is has there been anything done with
lot 17's well?
[42:23] Weren't Wasn't he going to offer that?
>> He wants to um he wants to to put a big
[42:28] pump in that well and uh and he's told
us that we could use that well.
[42:34] » He told me it was also bad water.
[42:39] » It's very hard.
>> Hard is probably better than silk. Yeah.
[42:44] » Yeah.
>> Another possibility is the new owners of
[42:47] Dave Bley's lot. They may and that's got
a big big well on it.
[42:53] » Well,
>> and and then separate road into it. Um
[42:58] possibility.
>> It's probably the best either.
[43:01] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[43:10] So, does that pretty much cover what we
need for the I mean, I'm thinking I want
[43:15] to be thinking at least I mean up to 10
years out there.
[43:21] What about the building
as far as capital projects? I was
[43:28] looking at these windows the other day
and they sure don't look very good.
[43:31] » Would those be under capital yet or
would that just be maintenance and
[43:34] repair?
>> The
[43:37] cost of windows anymore. I
>> I mean, yeah, if we're placing all the
[43:41] windows in the building, but we're just
doing if we're just doing like trim and
[43:47] a few panes or I don't
>> Yeah, it looks like the windows to me,
[43:51] but I mean, somebody else
>> Well, if that's 10 years out, maybe it
[43:56] should be on the list
because we have two different capital
[44:00] fund, you know, capital roads and then
capital general, right?
[44:09] And Joelyn, do you know anything else on
the the building?
[44:12] » Well, staining
the trim and those years time just a
[44:19] general
>> Yeah.
[44:22] » Yeah.
>> And the roof is okay.
[44:24] » That would be capital.
>> Probably good for a while.
[44:28] » I don't think it's a metal roof. We
don't have a a building maintenance
[44:33] person long enough to even get out
there.
[44:41] » It should be a mater's
what 20 now?
[44:46] » Yes.
>> Yeah.
[44:50] » Colleen,
>> I I didn't catch if it was already on
[44:53] the list, but a battery system for the
solar panels so the building could run
[45:00] That would fall over the generator thing
that was listed, right?
[45:04] » Backup power for the building, whether
it be solar or
[45:09] that can happen.
>> Already got the panels
[45:12] » and it's quiet.
>> Yeah,
[45:15] » it's expensive though.
>> Yeah, I mean I mean not considering
[45:23] a whole solar array and doing a battery
too. I mean that's just one part of it.
[45:28] So maybe, you know, Oh, things
>> you need a new inverter.
[45:35] » Yeah.
>> Um, the lady Jocelyn, what was her name?
[45:40] The lady I worked with the emergency
thing about getting
[45:43] » Kate.
>> Kate, she mentioned that I think we were
[45:47] on a list for possible grants
>> to apply for the batteries for the soul
[45:54] next year.
>> Yeah. I don't know if the
[45:56] » we talked about it, but it was just kind
of like
[45:59] » she told me on our wish list when I was
>> Well, and some of these things may
[46:02] happen in other ways.
>> Yeah.
[46:04] » And can fall off the list as they
happen, but yeah,
[46:07] » it just really
>> that's like all of our projects on the
[46:10] CIV list,
>> right?
[46:13] » Recycle,
>> right? That have to happen some other
[46:16] way.
>> Well, and that we did have on the CIV
[46:19] list was the mower arm. And now we're
the roller compactor. We know we we have
[46:24] on this list now. What about the mower?
What's up with like I mean I think we've
[46:30] spent enough time working on the mower
that in 10 years I think it's going to
[46:33] be it should be serviceable again.
>> The point I'm at after also testing it
[46:40] with the grater. I mean granted each
time you do it you'll probably pull up
[46:44] more asphalt. That worked pretty well
>> and you can use the side roads. You
[46:49] might still need another attachment, but
rather than keeping like the whole
[46:52] mower, tractor, everything else running,
I'd almost rather just have an
[46:57] attachment that hooks up to one of the
other machines that we can't.
[47:01] » One of the things is is that while it's
still running, might be worth something
[47:07] » to sell. And once it's not running, it's
probably not worth much.
[47:13] » So, do we want to put a mower attachment
on your list here?
[47:16] » Potentially. Um,
>> I would think so.
[47:20] » Yeah, it's I mean this year we're going
to be trying to go through most of the
[47:25] easements with the grater. Next year
we're probably going to have to go over
[47:28] it with the grater just to keep the
tumble weeds down. Um, just because
[47:32] otherwise they'll be aggressive for
three years. Um, so the next two years
[47:38] we're probably taken care of or at least
hopefully
[47:42] » but yeah, it might be something to
consider.
[47:50] Um, what about the creek firework?
>> Yeah, that's the creek.
[47:56] » That's the other big capital project
that should probably be on your list is
[48:00] maintenance of our um
>> green belt
[48:02] » green belt properties. I was approached
recently um by Devin Dixon who's working
[48:09] the ranch
um and it is up against one of our lots
[48:14] and he wondered what our plan was. You
know, like it's it's a huge fire hazard.
[48:20] It's also
his bigger concern was the amount of
[48:25] water that's getting choked out of
springs by the overgrowth.
[48:33] So,
>> and the town's sitting on a bunch of
[48:35] property down there that we're not doing
anything with or about.
[48:43] I don't know what that would be.
>> Yeah,
[48:46] » there's a lot of permits involved in
doing anything down there. Right now I'm
[48:51] kind of just touching base with them and
trying to see like what would be
[48:56] allowable or what required what can we
do without getting way into the weeds
[49:01] with permitting because
it might be a bit of a permitting hassle
[49:06] to essentially like take the loader down
there and just clear cut everything but
[49:10] potentially going in place
>> which probably isn't the answer anyways
[49:14] but
>> it it might be. I mean, if you want to
[49:17] get rid of the overgrowth and you don't
want it to cost $2 million, that might
[49:21] be
>> or poison it
[49:23] » or poison it because that is
>> I mean, a lot,
[49:27] you know,
>> why we hadn't poisoned it, why we don't
[49:31] agree with the painting. He understood
not just spraying poison everywhere, but
[49:36] you know, he did ask specifically about
the painting. I guess we just don't know
[49:40] enough about it to know that we're not
poisoning somebody downstream that, you
[49:45] know,
>> do they do that on their property?
[49:48] » I don't know. But, you know, he also
didn't realize that a lot of the green
[49:52] belt is privately owned and that's, you
know, and people with private property
[49:56] down there do that.
[50:00] » I did notice uh there are
Oh, it's a noxious weed that looks like
[50:07] bamboo.
>> The giant reed
[50:12] grass.
>> Yeah, the pond. And people are planting
[50:15] it ornamentally in their yards.
>> And I just saw a huge patch of it down
[50:22] there on the bottom of uh Lazarus, right
down in the creek.
[50:27] » And people aren't going to
get rid of it on their property. It's
[50:34] going to be all over that creek in just
a few years.
[50:36] » It will. Yeah.
>> So, I I don't know how you get that
[50:41] » the county we guy
>> the county weed guy has gone by. I know
[50:44] one person's place and
>> you'll tell they have refused to get rid
[50:49] of it.
>> They'll come and remove it for you.
[50:51] » Well, they haven't and they know it's
there. I got a letter and they because I
[50:57] have a pouch of it that's barely staying
alive and they left a letter and said
[51:02] we're going to come and remove it and
you'll get a gift certificate to replace
[51:06] it with something from some nursery.
>> You tell me that
[51:09] » and then and then I never heard from
them again.
[51:13] That was several years ago. So I don't
>> I remember
[51:18] » and I didn't get any gift certificate.
[51:24] » Maybe it just needs to be more of a
public outreach and I mean I've tried to
[51:28] talk to the two people that I know of
that have it and one of the people they
[51:34] had just planted, you know, and it was
doing so well and I said, "Don't you
[51:38] know that that's like amazing?"
>> He's like, "No, no, it isn't." Then I
[51:42] like don't let it seed.
>> Yeah,
[51:45] » you're going to have to take it out. I'm
supposed to take it out.
[51:48] » Well, that's why it's here. Yeah.
>> So, I mean,
[51:54] » yeah.
>> Well, yeah. I mean, we got all kinds of
[51:57] things growing down there. So, we should
probably put that on our list, huh?
[52:01] » Yeah.
[52:04] » And that's probably enough things on a
10ear list. That's a lot of stuff for
[52:10] this small of a place.
>> It is a big
[52:13] » So 10 years. So maybe we should put the
roof on if it's a 10 year plan.
[52:17] » It's a 10 year out,
>> right? Windows and roof.
[52:20] » Okay.
>> Yeah. Windows and a roof.
[52:25] So, I mean, looking at all of that and
also looking and thinking about our
[52:30] budgets over the past 10 years and what
we have, as I talked about during the
[52:34] public hearing, have on average put away
between 5 and $40,000 a year,
[52:41] I think
with the amount of thing with the amount
[52:45] that it cost to chip Silas Valley Drive
11 years ago going up aund,000
[52:53] in that amount of time
and our side repairs costing what they
[53:00] are 10 years from now, we can expect
that to be even more
[53:06] and to be putting away a little bit
towards all of these other things at the
[53:10] same time. I think it's reasonable
for these amount of projects, but also
[53:16] knowing that we may not be able to do
all of them because we are just a small
[53:20] community. I think $50,000 a year into
capital projects
[53:25] is that's a good goal.
>> Reasonable for this small of a community
[53:30] and for for the projects that are that
really have to happen.
[53:35] I think asking more than that from
people is too much.
[53:41] » Well, we might be able to do that with a
tax increase,
[53:45] » right? But I'm talking that's a yearly a
yearly amount, right? that needs to be
[53:49] budgeted for, not put in there if we had
a surplus or you know what I mean? It
[53:55] has to happen in order for these things
to happen.
[53:58] » Well,
this just has to become part of the
[54:02] budget.
[54:05] » So, do we want to adopt our plan for the
I mean, this could be amended at any
[54:10] time.
Well, so I think what we ought to need
[54:14] to do is uh edit this and read it and
put it fresh and then bring it back. I
[54:20] don't think just talking about it and
>> without Yeah, I think we it should come
[54:26] back.
>> We can do that.
[54:31] » We're tableabling in it or dropping into
it?
[54:33] » We can drop in it.
>> Okay.
[54:40] » Okay. Okay, we'll move on to item. So, I
I'm a little Is this kind of backward?
[54:46] » Yes, I thought so.
>> Let's flip Let's flip item seven and
[54:48] eight.
>> I move that we uh change the order of
[54:51] business and do seven
>> after eight.
[54:59] » All in favor? I
>> Okay, we'll um do first item eight,
[55:05] discussion and possible action regarding
resolution
[55:09] 2026-8 approving the fiscal year 2027
budget to include the tax increase.
[55:15] » Okay, so I have a couple of things on
the budget. Um
[55:21] there is a I did I did a couple of
different uh we have our actual budget
[55:28] and in that actual budget we're actually
276
[55:34] one two three 276,000
shy of our grants because of the cut of
[55:41] our fiscal year. So, where we
anticipated having 535,000
[55:49] come in, we only had 225,000 come in.
So, on the proposed budget that you all
[55:56] received, you'll see on the last page,
um, I did
[56:03] put that in on government grants for
2027
[56:08] as a late reimbursement for 2026,
>> right? Um, I need to put that also up on
[56:16] government grants in the income. So, I'm
just letting you know that that's going
[56:21] to be added to as we approve this, we
need to approve it
[56:27] » that with that up there. Now, on this uh
final column is our basically our budget
[56:34] for 2020, our actual budget for 2026.
if we would have gotten the grants
[56:41] all at the same time, which actually
gives us a clearer picture of where we
[56:46] are in our surplus.
>> Right?
[56:48] » So, um, we we did end up having a
surplus of 39,000
[56:58] if we would have received our grants at
the right time.
[57:02] So, just taking that into consideration.
Um, I do want to let you know once we
[57:08] transferred
our final reimbursements from the EWP
[57:14] uh back into our capital fund, we now
have 322,000
[57:19] in our capital road,
>> which gives us enough to cover the chip
[57:25] ceiling.
With the 71,000 we have budgeted for
[57:30] 2027,
[57:34] we may even be able to afford having the
edges done.
[57:37] » Well, we h we kind of have to do the
edges before we can chip seal.
[57:41] » I'm just saying, you know, the chip
sealing came in the bid was what 225 or
[57:45] something.
>> Again, this is not a bid. This was more
[57:48] of just like
>> an estimate. somewhere between
[57:52] » we have 100,000 171,000
to play with as far as the cost goes. So
[57:59] I just
>> with the approved if we approve this
[58:03] budget
I mean right now our as it sits right
[58:08] now our capital roads has 322,000
so well which will put us just probably
[58:14] just under what we need to do edging and
chip sealing both. But we have
[58:20] » 71,000 going into capital roads in this
budget.
[58:25] » We have put 76,000 in plasty road funds,
which looks to me like it's about 10
[58:33] grand over what we're actually possibly
going to get because we've never gotten
[58:38] anywhere close to $76,000.
>> I have it in the budget.
[58:43] » Yeah, but we only last year we only got
66. The year before that we only got 60.
[58:50] The year before that we got 61.
>> I know. But this this year we have our
[58:55] tax increase.
>> But you don't get B class C roads.
[59:00] » No, I'm talking about in the budget I
have set.
[59:04] » No, I know. I know. But I'm just saying
there's there's this item in the budget
[59:09] that we're planning on having that we're
not probably going to get. There's
[59:13] $10,000 there floating.
That does that make sense to me?
[59:19] » Well, um,
[59:24] » actually,
>> which would just mean we'd only have
[59:27] 61,6
[59:31] I I'm amazed that we didn't get more
money in class roads for cost of gas.
[59:37] » Wow.
>> The more you pay for gas, the more tax
[59:40] you get. So, why we were under
That's I'm still
[59:44] » You can't afford to drive anymore.
>> I'm confused about why our class C roads
[59:49] didn't come in higher than it did right
with the M because all year we've been
[59:54] paying
>> way more.
[59:56] » I know.
[59:59] » And I'm not so sure that we we're still
not going to get another payment for for
[1:00:05] this last year because that happens a
lot.
[1:00:07] » That's what we're waiting on, but I
thought we were well past that.
[1:00:10] » Well, who knows? Who knows that that's
possibly not going to be accurate.
[1:00:20] » Okay. Well, we
>> So, if it's not,
[1:00:23] » we'll fill them in later anyway. So,
we'll figure that out.
[1:00:31] Also, um we don't need $16,000 in water
um training, but our staff training. We
[1:00:40] only have four months left of that.
[1:00:47] Like 4,000 a year was what we used to
pay John total for the whole year for
[1:00:53] himself to be the water agent.
We put all this extra in there because
[1:01:00] he was going to be training Sarah until
the end of 2026.
[1:01:06] » We aren't going to use all of that.
>> I don't want them thinking that that we
[1:01:10] want them to either,
>> right?
[1:01:14] » Trade.
>> No, you're right. I
[1:01:18] And it didn't
>> overtime.
[1:01:20] » Oh, okay. No, but they're still they're
both going to be working for for a half
[1:01:25] a year
>> for four more months,
[1:01:28] » right?
[1:01:34] » So, you want to cut that down?
>> It makes sense to me that it wouldn't be
[1:01:39] more than
like where where are we coming in
[1:01:44] general here?
[1:01:49] So we did spend a full eight last year.
Correct. More than eight. More than
[1:01:53] eight.
[1:02:04] I wouldn't go under 10 because or even
11 because we we'll end up
[1:02:12] Yeah. I don't know.
>> Well, we can cut it to 11.
[1:02:16] I wouldn't like to see it go over that.
>> We would need that much.
[1:02:21] » I wouldn't either, but
[1:02:35] which means if BNC doesn't or we could
even flip that around a little bit. Now
[1:02:41] it seems like both Sarah and John's
[1:02:48] salaries have been coming in around a
thousand a month
[1:02:54] » together.
[1:02:58] This month John's was three something
and Sarah's was five something. Well, if
[1:03:05] you want to cut down the roads to 66,
>> that makes the most sense to me.
[1:03:12] » And then the water to 11,
that would mean I'd only be
[1:03:19] putting
this at 5
[1:03:23] 15
[1:03:31] 56 into Capital Roads.
No. So wait, hang on a second.
[1:03:38] » The part from the income you would
deduct from that.
[1:03:44] » I would deduct it from the income, but
it's that also deducts it from the
[1:03:49] capital.
>> But if we're moving something out of our
[1:03:52] outgoing,
you don't have to deduct that part
[1:03:56] because that means we
>> Oh, right, Ken. Sorry.
[1:04:24] No, it would be 15 less. You're getting
10 less in income and you're getting
[1:04:30] you're spending 10. So it is five. So 60
let's say 65 then
[1:04:39] » that
[1:04:45] 61 + 566.
[1:04:51] So that' be 66 in the capital funds
roads.
[1:04:54] » Okay.
>> I mean I think that's still enough. So
[1:04:57] it'll be 11,000 in water, 66,000 in
class roads, and 66,000 the capital
[1:05:04] roads.
>> Okay.
[1:05:09] And those were really the only big
things. I mean, I a lot of these things
[1:05:14] are very like last year was kind of a
big one off because Dorier was trying to
[1:05:18] save some money.
>> I mean, it's probably not a full year
[1:05:22] that we only spent $63.95. Funny the 66
keeps coming up. I did want to point out
[1:05:28] that our project which we had bid out at
994 came in at 928 which is a saving of
[1:05:34] 66,000.
So there it is again. Let's keep those
[1:05:40] sixes rolling.
[1:05:50] » Interested.
[1:05:54] But did you want to reduce that
wise?
[1:05:59] » Do you wrote
>> do your equipment and tools need to be
[1:06:03] at 15 grand? Like we seriously spent
$96511
[1:06:09] year before last and la this year we
spent $63.95.
[1:06:14] » Well, some of that came down to the
confusion of
[1:06:18] essentially larger pieces of equipment.
Would it come from
[1:06:22] cuz some of it was preparing for that.
Does it belong in there or is it just a
[1:06:26] capital
>> equipment and tools?
[1:06:30] » Well, is equipment and tools covering
the larger equipment things?
[1:06:35] » You mean like parts?
>> No, like if we get a compactor, does
[1:06:38] that wind up in equipment and tools or
does that go under a capital?
[1:06:41] » Right. It should go under equipment and
tools. It should
[1:06:45] » unless it's over
$15,000,
[1:06:50] » right? That's a capital expense,
>> you know.
[1:06:52] » Okay.
>> So, yeah, I think that's
[1:06:55] » so that's the smaller equipment.
>> You were also
[1:07:01] I like to have those numbers in there.
If we need to use it, great. And if we
[1:07:06] don't, you know, it's just going back
into the budget. So,
[1:07:10] » right. But I don't.
>> But wasn't there a big job for the
[1:07:15] grater that you were put that in there
for?
[1:07:18] » But does that fall under that or does
that fall under maintenance and repair?
[1:07:21] » Because we bump that up for that.
>> Yeah.
[1:07:27] Some of what the things fall under has
been a little confusing to me. So I mean
[1:07:33] » So in my mind,
>> if it's just smaller pieces of equipment
[1:07:36] and hand tools and things like that,
probably doesn't need to be 15,000.
[1:07:40] includes a compactor or something else
like that. That's pretty it needs to be
[1:07:44] » right. But those things are generally
always going to be a capital expense,
[1:07:47] aren't they?
>> Or they're at least going to have to be
[1:07:50] discussed with the town council because
they're all going to be well worth the
[1:07:55] $600. So,
>> and it depends on the budget. What What
[1:07:57] do we have in the budget? What do we
have to take out of capital? Can we do
[1:08:01] we have it in our budget in roads?
>> I mean, there's going to be basic things
[1:08:06] in roads that we don't need to have it
out of capital. If we have it in the
[1:08:10] budget, that's what I'm saying. We have
it there, then we don't need it as
[1:08:13] capital expense.
>> But if we don't need to have it in the
[1:08:17] budget, I don't want to continually have
this hype budget that we're bumping into
[1:08:23] capital when we are already planning on
budgeting for capital.
[1:08:28] » Well, we haven't.
>> So, this is new that we're budgeting for
[1:08:31] capital.
>> I know. So,
[1:08:33] » so I want to get out of the habit of
over padding so that we have extra
[1:08:38] because I think that
>> so the question is you're probably going
[1:08:42] to be over padding somewhere and then if
things if you're essentially trying to
[1:08:47] do the bare minimum for what you say on
your budget you're probably going to
[1:08:50] have a higher capital budget and then
you pull out of that if something gets
[1:08:55] weird towards the end of the year
because very often
[1:08:58] » you can't always just pull out a capital
low. I mean,
[1:09:01] » well, can you pull out of the capital
before it gets sent to C?
[1:09:06] » No, it has to be a specific.
>> Well, then it's probably better to have
[1:09:10] it in the budget away from the capital,
right?
[1:09:13] » And then at the end of the year, you
shift it into capital, right?
[1:09:16] » Capital is a one-way street and the
other one is not.
[1:09:20] » That makes sense for now. If that makes
sense. But if every year we keep coming
[1:09:25] in at less than $1,000.
[1:09:30] » Okay, never mind.
>> This is one one year. Let's
[1:09:35] » um
>> past years haven't been great, but I've
[1:09:39] considered like getting uh pull behind
compactors and it's kind of like do we
[1:09:44] just go with a larger machine? you know,
I mean, right now we're essentially
[1:09:49] borrowing a personal vibratory plate
compactor that's pretty small and
[1:09:53] doesn't really do the job that we should
be doing. So, that's kind of been one of
[1:09:58] the things on there.
>> Oh, and if that's an equipment that
[1:10:02] amount of money, then maybe that's
something you should be doing.
[1:10:09] » Does anybody else have anything to say?
[1:10:14] » I I I know. I Well, I had a question,
but it seemed like what we were doing in
[1:10:20] the past with Capitol Roads was fine
until the culvert blew. Is that roughly
[1:10:27] right? We were going to be able to chip
seal at the right time if we hadn't had
[1:10:32] the culvert go out.
>> Well, yeah, we had money in there for
[1:10:36] for that. Absolutely. But, you know,
>> well, and I think over the last couple
[1:10:40] of years, it's been hard because we
budget for the road department and then
[1:10:45] we're trying to save money for projects
and so they're not really spending
[1:10:49] money. They're trying to save money
which we've needed. So, the last couple
[1:10:53] of years looking at their budget doesn't
really reflect what is
[1:10:59] see that happening anymore. I want to
make sure that they understand that
[1:11:02] their budget is for the maintenance they
need to do and that they it's not their
[1:11:06] job to think about saving money out of
that.
[1:11:08] » Yeah,
>> that's get work done budget.
[1:11:10] » That's our job.
>> It's our job to budget for capital
[1:11:13] expenses.
[1:11:16] » Well, that's what the residents want
is to see people out work on the roads
[1:11:23] maintenance.
[1:11:32] So if we do I mean I think this is fine
for this year
[1:11:36] and when we look at this again next year
um obviously and when we amend this may
[1:11:42] change but I think well we can figure
try to figure adding a line item for
[1:11:50] capital of 50 grand
and figuring out in advance where that
[1:11:56] fits our tax rate so that we if we
needed to if we need to reduce it we
[1:12:01] reduce it. I don't think we need to be
asking for more than that every year.
[1:12:14] I think it's just an expectation that we
have to to set
[1:12:19] cuz if we if we bump it up and we get
people thinking that oh we got all these
[1:12:24] big ideas and we're going to do them. it
seem, you know, it's like the same
[1:12:27] amount of money doesn't do the same
things anymore.
[1:12:32] So, we're asking for more money just to
do the same things we've always done.
[1:12:36] And people want to see well want to see
us doing more because they're paying
[1:12:39] more.
>> It doesn't work that way.
[1:12:47] » Well, we are getting things done.
>> We bought We I mean, you can look at the
[1:12:51] budget of what we have gotten done. Oh,
yeah. We just spent $670,000
[1:12:57] in the last two years on Capitol Road.
So
[1:13:00] » yeah,
>> you know, you bringing it up like we're
[1:13:03] not getting things done doesn't help the
situation
[1:13:06] » more than that because we got the crater
in the back, the upper 80s water
[1:13:10] crossing
>> water crossing and down here. So
[1:13:13] people don't see us on their roads on a
regular basis. So they don't know that
[1:13:17] they don't feel that we're getting
things the same things done that we know
[1:13:20] we are.
[1:13:25] Well, I just want to say I think this
year's budget is a freaking miracle that
[1:13:29] we got it done. And thank you, Tori.
>> Yes. Thank you, Tori. True.
[1:13:34] Messed it up.
>> And I'm not bringing these things up to
[1:13:39] like be down.
>> Well, these kind of things. I mean all
[1:13:41] of you know that's why I sent it to you
early before I ever
[1:13:45] » asked I asked about the B road this
roads thing earlier and I thought we
[1:13:49] were going to get another flight
payment.
[1:13:51] » So did I
>> and we didn't. So I was like
[1:13:54] » and we we presented this two months ago.
>> I know.
[1:13:57] » So but the water thing was presented to
you. You didn't bring that up and you
[1:14:03] didn't bring up any of the other road
things. So
[1:14:07] when I present it to you early
if you get back to me that
[1:14:13] » not in the middle of a meeting when I
don't even have a calculator. So there
[1:14:17] you go.
[1:14:21] » That's the balance.
>> Would somebody like to adopt this
[1:14:25] budget?
>> I believe we adopt the budget.
[1:14:28] » Hallelujah.
>> Second.
[1:14:32] » Any further discussions?
All in favor?
[1:14:35] » I.
>> Thank you, Pam.
[1:14:39] » Thanks, Tori.
>> I'll do better next um year.
[1:14:43] » Good. That'll be my last year. Be better
next year and I'll do my best.
[1:14:49] » You're doing great.
>> Okay. We'll move backwards to item
[1:14:53] seven, discussion and possible action
regarding resolution 2026-7, approving
[1:14:58] the certified tax rate.
>> I move we approve the certified tax
[1:15:03] rate. Second.
>> Further discussion.
[1:15:06] All in favor?
>> I I.
[1:15:10] » Item nine, discussion and possible
action regarding approving pluck
[1:15:14] selection process language amendments to
ordinance 2026-2.
[1:15:20] So Lori uh is on tonight. She went
through this and also updated
[1:15:26] um references to code that were
outdated. there was a reference to a
[1:15:32] grommet code that was outdated
and then added the language for the um
[1:15:37] selection to go through the town council
and public opinion
[1:15:43] » and I the alternates and
>> yeah I had a couple edits on it
[1:15:48] » did you um want to point those out
>> yeah
[1:15:53] the
in that fourth whereas it's still
[1:15:58] talking about the mayor shall interview
each candidate to establish ability to
[1:16:02] perform the duties of the commission.
>> Well, that's what
[1:16:09] » you want that out of there.
>> So, no, the old or it's just a reference
[1:16:15] to what the old ordinance what the
process was. Yeah.
[1:16:19] » Okay.
>> Is that makes sense? And then um in
[1:16:24] section two
uh I was think we should put um the
[1:16:30] alternates in there. Members shall be
appointed to the commission or as
[1:16:34] alternates by the town council. We
haven't addressed how the alternates are
[1:16:40] going to be in that sentence. Just
curious.
[1:16:46] » Lori, didn't you address where the
alternates were in another section?
[1:16:51] um you know the current code didn't
reference the alternates so I think
[1:16:58] that's um totally fine to add the
language as Jocelyn suggested
[1:17:06] » I can double check
>> I think it was just up to us to to
[1:17:11] either use or not use alternates
>> right yeah but we want the alter same
[1:17:17] process
>> yes Yeah,
[1:17:20] » but it says before that, Joselyn, it
says the commission shall consist of
[1:17:24] five regular members and two alternate
members,
[1:17:27] » right?
>> And then it says how the appointments
[1:17:29] will be made.
>> Okay, but the alternates need to be
[1:17:32] approved.
>> So just say members and and alternates
[1:17:35] shall be appointed to the commission.
>> Just add that in there. And then the
[1:17:40] only other thing was on that other page
that's not
[1:17:43] » the clerk.
I don't do that.
[1:17:46] » Right.
Let's make sure that's clear.
[1:17:51] » Very clear.
>> Yeah.
[1:17:52] » Is this a whole new ordinance?
>> It's an amended or amending the
[1:17:56] ordinance
>> because it says 2026-2.
[1:18:00] » Yeah.
>> This is um
[1:18:02] » that's the
>> a new ordinance.
[1:18:04] » This is 2026. So, we're getting a whole
new ordinance number, not just an
[1:18:08] amended old ordinance.
>> I could supersede it.
[1:18:14] » Yeah. I don't know how you all prefer to
do it, but you uh as you can see the
[1:18:21] this ordinance just amends the old one.
So you you know I don't I don't really
[1:18:26] remember exactly how you do that, but
this wouldn't create a new ordinance. It
[1:18:31] just as you can see where it's
underlined adding text and then the
[1:18:35] strike through is deleting the text. So
my my suggestion was when I sent this
[1:18:40] over is to say you can keep your old
ordinance and just note that it was
[1:18:45] amended by ordinance number 26. I don't
know are you on your first ordinance of
[1:18:50] the year? Is it 2601 or 2602?
>> Okay.
[1:18:56] » Yeah.
>> But we usually we usually keep the old
[1:18:59] ordinance number and just say amended.
>> I I know this because I put them on the
[1:19:04] website so I need to know what the name
of it is. Like if we were to revise the
[1:19:07] fence ordinance now, it would still be
uh what is it 2001-3 or whatever it is
[1:19:15] only amended. So this is a whole new
ordinance number. So would you would
[1:19:22] have to retract the old ordinance or
>> Well, so so let me ask you then,
[1:19:27] Colleen. I I don't What do you pass?
What what what do you pass now to amend
[1:19:33] an old ordinance? a new you pass an
ordinance or you pass a resolution.
[1:19:38] » Either one. We just amend it. Like 85-3
is from 1985
[1:19:43] and we just amend it constantly,
>> right?
[1:19:46] » But it's the same ordinance number.
>> So technically, we should just be
[1:19:51] amending this as its original number and
then say that this ordinance supersedes
[1:19:56] the one dated whatever the last one was.
>> Yeah, we don't.
[1:20:02] » And I could do that. I don't think
that's how we've done it up to now.
[1:20:06] Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah. It's a little confusing. I
[1:20:11] mean, I don't want to change your
process, but you know, technically
[1:20:14] you're passing.
I mean, I don't know. I
[1:20:19] I've never seen it done that way before.
So, that's why I'm kind of struggling.
[1:20:23] It doesn't It doesn't really matter. You
need to pass an ordinance. What you
[1:20:26] number it is potentially up to you. If
you don't find that numbering format
[1:20:31] confusing, um, if it's working for you,
then I don't want to completely change
[1:20:38] your process. But you, you know, the
council
[1:20:42] does need to pass an ordinance. What you
number it, as long as you've got a
[1:20:46] system that works for you, I'm I'm okay
with that. So, you can
[1:20:52] you would just need to note that tonight
when you're passing it, that has a
[1:20:55] different number than that's what's on
the document.
[1:20:58] One of the reason, one of the reasons
we've done it this way is that sometimes
[1:21:03] these ordinances are cited in other
ordinances and if we go change the
[1:21:07] number when we do a new one that amends
it, then we have to go sort figure out
[1:21:12] if it's listed anywhere else in another
ordinance.
[1:21:15] » We can't find all those instances like
our our biggest ordinance is 85-3.
[1:21:21] Again, it's from 1985. If we gave it a
new number every time we amended it,
[1:21:27] that would be a morass,
>> right? And and I think that yeah, in the
[1:21:34] m the other places, yeah, obviously
codifying everything makes it easier
[1:21:38] because then when you do update
something, you just make the update
[1:21:42] throughout the but I understand what the
issue is. I So
[1:21:48] » I think then tonight you just need to
make it clear you're you're passing
[1:21:53] Uh h how would you then describe it
then? An ordinance. What are you passing
[1:21:58] tonight? Ordinance
number what?
[1:22:02] » 2006-3.
[1:22:05] We're amending ordinance. Yeah.
Passing it as an as amended.
[1:22:11] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:22:15] » Is that done as an ordinance or as a
resolution?
[1:22:18] » As an ordinance.
>> We're amending an existing ordinance.
[1:22:22] Yes. Right. I
>> mean it says an ordinance amending an
[1:22:24] ordinance. Should should we say a
resolution? Should it be
[1:22:29] » No, we would be passing an ordinance
passing ordinance 26 2006-3
[1:22:37] » amended.
>> Amended
[1:22:38] » this date and
>> 2026,
[1:22:40] » right?
>> Yeah. And then you say, and then this or
[1:22:44] this supersedes ordinance 2006-3
dated whenever this last the previous
[1:22:51] one was that it's been superseded. You
just put that title.
[1:22:56] » Yeah, no worries. Thanks.
>> Yeah, no worries. Whoever is going to
[1:23:00] make that motion,
[1:23:06] » that's what I was thinking.
[1:23:10] » I move that we pass uh ordinance 20 two
20006-3
[1:23:21] amended.
>> No,
[1:23:24] » 2026. 2026 2026.
206
[1:23:29] » 206
>> 2006-
[1:23:34] » We're We're passing.
I move we pass ordinance 20006-
[1:23:41] 03 amended
by
[1:23:46] on this date in 2026
[1:23:51] an ordinance establishing planning and
land use commission and designating land
[1:23:56] use and appeal authority.
>> I'm probably seconded.
[1:24:00] » That was really good.
>> Any further discussion?
[1:24:05] All in favor?
>> I OMG.
[1:24:11] » Why was it so
[1:24:15] » All right. Now we are in item number
10. Uh discussion and possible action
[1:24:22] regarding approving amendments to
ordinance 85-3
[1:24:26] chapter 4 section 4.2D regarding farm
stands.
[1:24:31] » Okay. So, we have a problem because this
is a
[1:24:35] » typo on the agenda. It's saying 83-3.
>> Yeah, it's a typo.
[1:24:40] » Really? Oh, yeah.
>> It's 85-3.
[1:24:44] » Yeah,
>> sorry.
[1:24:46] » Got carried away.
>> I think I wrote 85-2 in an email to
[1:24:52] somebody the other day.
[1:24:56] » Yeah. Have 85-3 imputed. Great.
So, I'm gonna have to um
[1:25:05] I can't vote on this because this came
up because me
[1:25:09] » you're abstaining.
>> I'm abstaining. I can answer questions
[1:25:13] about anything that led up to this, but
>> So, we're just removing D.
[1:25:18] » Are we reumbering?
>> No, we're not removing.
[1:25:22] » We're amending it
>> underneath.
[1:25:24] » So, you're adding two C. one stand for
the display of sale of agriculture and
[1:25:29] livestock products raised in Castle
Valley.
[1:25:32] » You're not saying on that premise,
>> but it's just in Castle Valley. And it
[1:25:37] could be out of the Castle Valley town
boundary.
[1:25:40] » Yeah.
>> Castleton.
[1:25:42] » Okay.
>> Like if I was if my buddy from Castleton
[1:25:47] wanted to come down and bring their
vegetables to my farm stand.
[1:25:56] Well, I move that we approve
amendments to ordinance 85-3, chapter 4,
[1:26:03] section 4.2D, regarding five farm stands
as presented.
[1:26:11] » Um, further discussion,
all in favor?
[1:26:16] » I'll abstain.
[1:26:22] » All right. Item, hang on. Go. as fast as
I can. Item 11, discussion and possible
[1:26:29] action regarding resolution 2026-9
adopting the 2025 Castle Valley hazard
[1:26:35] mitigation plan. As we promised, we're
presenting to you our work from the past
[1:26:41] year on hazard mitigation planning.
>> Only a year.
[1:26:45] » We only spent a year doing it.
>> Felt like two.
[1:26:52] So, we already discussed that we feel
that it's valuable for us as a town to
[1:26:57] do this process whether or not it's a
FEMA adopted plan anymore or not.
[1:27:02] » We will plan on rejoining the regional
plan. Um, because the FEMA is making it
[1:27:10] almost impossible for towns this size to
to keep up with their planning
[1:27:15] requirements.
And they even say that in their planning
[1:27:19] tools that they pretty much think you
should be hiring a contractor to do your
[1:27:23] planning.
>> Easy to say
[1:27:27] » ching chain, right?
>> Yeah.
[1:27:29] » Well, no, they'll help you, you know,
with a grant to do it or whatever. But
[1:27:36] yeah,
>> it wasn't the planning so much as it was
[1:27:39] the formatting of the application
>> of the FEMA stuff. Yeah.
[1:27:43] » They made it impossible.
No, I think it's important that we do
[1:27:48] this planning and I think we've had a
lot of good come out of it. I mean, all
[1:27:51] the big things we've been doing, the low
water crossings, all the stuff that
[1:27:57] » it was a really good document. It was
the best one we've ever done.
[1:28:03] » Everybody that did
a lot of work.
[1:28:15] Somebody else want to move or show? Uh,
>> sure. I uh move that we approve
[1:28:20] resolution 20 26-9,
a resolution adopting the 2025 Cal
[1:28:28] Valley Utah hazard mitigation plan.
>> I'll s discussion. All in favor?
[1:28:35] » I.
Item 12, discussion and possible action
[1:28:41] regarding the road department purchase
order for a CAT transmission oil for
[1:28:45] $2449.70.
[1:28:51] This over my budget over
we approve the purchase for the oil
[1:28:57] » as presented. Second.
>> All in favor? I I
[1:29:03] do not need a close meeting. So, we'll
move on to item 14, payment of the
[1:29:07] bills.
>> And I need to add a late call, which was
[1:29:12] my fault because Dorier did get it to
me. Um, he he paid with his credit card
[1:29:16] at Tractor's Supply for $335.71
[1:29:22] for what was it for?
>> Tag oil.
[1:29:25] » Tag oil. Yeah,
>> that says the motion.
[1:29:29] » I'm adding that to get paid back.
>> 345. What? 3351
[1:29:37] » 71.
[1:29:42] » I move we pay the bill including the
reimbursement door for $335.71.
[1:29:51] » Any further discussion? All in favor?
>> I I
[1:29:55] » That's all we got.
>> Thanks everybody.
[1:30:00] » I think I'm getting spoiled with short
meetings.
[1:30:03] door.
>> Yo, bye.