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[0:00] We call the select board meeting for September 14th to order at 707.
[0:07] Very macadir. Would you leave us in the lunch class?
[0:12] I'd like to introduce to you the United States of America.
[0:17] And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, individual,
[0:22] they believe in justice or all.
[0:33] Do you need a motion to approve the agenda? Make a motion to approve the agenda for September 14th, 2026.
[0:43] Second. Any discussion? I'll do your magic.
[0:49] Any discussion?
[0:52] All in favor? All in favor. Make a motion to approve the minutes for August 24th, 2026.
[1:00] Second. Any discussion?
[1:04] Yes.
[1:07] Did you go first?
[1:07] I've got a couple.
[1:10] Well, I don't know who's a question mark, because either Ed Lever on the Trump.
[1:15] Down under approval of minutes, 1, 2, 3, 4.
[1:23] Whereas as page 7, like a Bob Seale, Ron Mayor, they've got an extra thing in there.
[1:34] It says it's changed from two, but it didn't change.
[1:39] This will be M steel to our steel.
[1:44] Okay. And very bottom line on this page, the word change is C-H-A-N-G-E, space-D,
[2:10] and
[2:13] In the middle of one to the third paragraph down, this is Mike Kamajones, instead of Mike
[2:23] period drones,
[2:32] on page 3, down to the police department,
[2:39] when we're talking about the
[2:40] the camper at the old mini-cloth course on Route 30. It should say belongs to a friend of
[2:50] Howard and Christine and has permission to be there. He will be leaving. Cross it off.
[2:59] Should be in September instead of whatever I cross off.
[3:04] Should I say it will be leaving in September?
[3:08] Since we're there right now,
[3:10] I should say Howard and Christine Smith,
[3:12] not just Howard and Christine.
[3:17] Okay.
[3:21] On page four,
[3:25] under A,
[3:26] A-Q-U-T-V,
[3:29] is vast.
[3:30] The A-S-T,
[3:31] not just the A-S,
[3:34] but it's a association of snow travelers,
[3:37] under
[3:46] town lands, town four, that very first sentence. We've got Anne Ray, crossed the
[3:56] hurry off and just recommends,
[4:02] and one, two, three, four lines down, is it really
[4:08] married, jury, jury, or is it her? Very, very, very, there's been three, there's four
[4:14] Yeah, the four places where that is, going down one, two, three lines,
[4:25] the C on co-teachers should
[4:27] be singular,
[4:31] and going way to the bottom, the fourth up, tree warden should be small letters.
[4:43] down on the last paragraph or town of beautification is says
[4:52] they were donated by Brown's
[4:54] cord and set a quarry.
[4:59] That's actually the name of the quarry.
[5:02] Brown's quarry is that this is what they have.
[5:05] I'm Ronman
[5:10] on P6, the first paragraph on Q3 for 5 down, it serves our national and paid.
[5:24] I think it should be serves our nation and then on the same paragraph, the very last line, the newly planted daily.
[5:37] I think it should be newly planted beds daily
[5:44] down under Crystal Beach.
[5:48] The last sign, it should be if, is should be R.
[5:59] I'm sorry, Mary, what should we do?
[6:01] Crystal Beach, the first, the last sign.
[6:06] This is if the what wells, it should be if the wells.
[6:09] And because wells is plural, it should be our and said it is,
[6:20] down under the snack shack.
[6:28] I think now that I look at it, maybe it's Nick to get things short up.
[6:35] Need to get Nick to get things short up before the weather destroys it anymore?
[6:39] Yeah, that's what I put, but I didn't know if it was Nick or whatever.
[6:43] Under unauthorized activities, the second line is his, he had not, he had not so pleasant exchange.
[6:57] Who's he?
[6:59] Mike Jones.
[7:07] Going down one, two, three, four.
[7:10] more or the it starts. The didn't, it should be bay didn't.
[7:19] And down three lines up,
[7:22] it said, our brown, I believe it should be M brown.
[7:30] Under public works, the third line down, toll should be two,
[7:41] under replacement of the trackless, the
[7:50] third line down, it says.
[7:52] He stated, it should be, he stated, he has been in contact,
[8:02] the third line up, steel is felt wrong.
[8:10] The second line up, it should be,
[8:14] instead of buy.
[8:24] I hated English enough.
[8:28] On page 7,
[8:34] replacement options, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 10 lines down
[8:43] where it says HP Fairfield that sells truck. I think it should be trucks.
[8:53] Next to the last
[8:56] line on that same paragraph instead of S steel, I think, that should be R steel.
[9:08] The very last line, or the very last two lines, is as M Jones stated, this facility
[9:20] then stated this I think stated this is put in twice it should be only once
[9:40] okay on page 8
[9:44] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, oh
[9:54] let's see
[9:59] it says our steel state of why can't we have
[10:04] That's not where I want to go down further.
[10:08] Where it starts, the body be stretched.
[10:12] I think B should be crossed out of there.
[10:14] It makes a sentence about it.
[10:20] Under boards, committees, and commissioners,
[10:24] the third line down, it says A, H, S should be
[10:31] has
[10:34] the next line down.
[10:37] there's the T equals R cones. T equals should be eliminated.
[10:47] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
[10:55] We've got AND and it should be any ANY,
[11:05] unless 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 more lines down,
[11:16] it's this
[11:18] C-brown correct, I think it should be agreed
[11:30] on page 9,
[11:36] the second paragraph, 1, 2, 3, 4,
[11:41] It says, our combs say that he Charlie Brown and Mike Jones walked the property and he
[11:52] believes the pit is in compliance rather than is not. Is that correct?
[12:06] No, what's written is correct. Not is right. It's not.
[12:10] the 200 feet of the property line, so he's not in compliance with the town zone.
[12:15] Okay.
[12:16] Regulations as they exist.
[12:19] All right.
[12:25] I can't read my writing.
[12:39] The next paragraph is which chapter Laura, the third line down.
[12:45] She does not want to bring as we are considering this.
[12:49] I think she said she does not.
[12:53] She does want to point out as we are considering this.
[13:02] Down in the last paragraph, one, two, three, four line sound.
[13:07] It starts, they do know instead of do not.
[13:16] And further on there, it's this,
[13:25] they are natives,
[13:30] promoters, skips, where you're glad I'm skippin' them for commas,
[13:39] on page 10,
[13:43] second line,
[13:45] under town plan, update some progress the second line. This is our steel and with
[14:02] an
[14:03] 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15,
[14:11] where it says acid sheet if she got the form, I think it should be if she got the coffee and no she hadn't.
[14:22] The next slide down forward was written twice in a row.
[14:31] I'll say one, two, three more down.
[14:38] This governor stated that there is no version 24, instead of looks like not version or not.
[14:51] they know what are it so
[14:56] down
[15:00] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 up from that paragraph. It should be deep, and exception date extended.
[15:10] This is dated,
[15:15] third line up, it has B extended, instead of Ben extended,
[15:31] now on your
[15:31] Parks and Recreation, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, this is page 11, 6 down,
[15:46] we would have to put
[15:47] in the building, budget,
[16:06] down on page 12,
[16:10] half half for all the works and things,
[16:18] so
[16:18] because the pairs of rackedess starts our coupons, the third line down is got thank you
[16:25] twice, most of all, thank you, thank you, that's it.
[16:36] I'll use that all mine.
[16:40] Anything else?
[16:42] Oh, I got it.
[16:44] I don't think I got it, man.
[16:46] Uh, I have two under pledge of allegiance.
[16:49] I didn't lead that. I believe it was the first chief.
[16:53] Oh, who led it?
[16:56] Who was it?
[16:56] Who was it? It was the chief.
[16:58] I think you're right.
[17:01] And on page 12 under action items.
[17:05] Talk to a while about stretching the 2013 strike the word single
[17:13] and actual, it's a tandem.
[17:19] Can't be bold.
[17:23] Can you as far as I can, sir?
[17:26] Axle's fell down.
[17:27] Axle's fell down.
[17:27] Axle's fell down anyway.
[17:28] So I'll strike those two.
[17:30] That's it.
[17:32] I'll go back because that reminded me under replacement options.
[17:36] We'll take a page 7, an actual sculptor, we're going to get in there to
[17:48] underreplace an option.
[17:49] It's 2015's single-axle bumper.
[17:54] We'll do some more else.
[18:00] That's it.
[18:01] It's up.
[18:02] All of there.
[18:03] Hi.
[18:06] This is comments.
[18:07] It was not on the agenda.
[18:13] We're not going to move.
[18:15] I'll see the hands up on some.
[18:18] We're going to move on to public works.
[18:20] I would have pardon.
[18:21] Is Jeff on?
[18:24] Was that the lower left one?
[18:26] I can't read the name.
[18:27] It is.
[18:30] Hi Jeff, you're up.
[18:32] How are you?
[18:33] Diabulous.
[18:35] Right.
[18:40] The report on Moscow, Britain, the whole world.
[18:44] Nice lead better road, Britain, can't completely.
[18:47] Moving on to the Korean-American aid project tomorrow,
[18:56] out for road.
[18:57] We're good.
[18:59] Brown-Farcent, called pre-boiled equipment will be delivered in about a month, so that's
[19:06] Project & Start.
[19:10] And you guys should have some documents for paving a live driving booth.
[19:30] I don't think I've got anything on paving a live driving booth.
[19:33] No, I don't need it.
[19:34] I didn't.
[19:42] We had to be equipment rental in 10 years.
[19:47] So on the agenda, Jeff, the next item up specifically would be the gravel road maintenance
[19:54] update.
[19:56] So do you have any words of wisdom you'd like to share with us on that?
[20:00] No, they're all solid, we're doing some touch up here and there, but for the most part, we're
[20:08] good to go. Okay. So the ground fire pavement.
[20:17] We've got to talk about schedule or
[20:19] scheduling and approving the rental. Now that was a cat 315. I assume there's a
[20:26] bad word, but I assume that's a larger excavator.
[20:34] So this project is going to
[20:35] require a piece of equipment that we currently don't own.
[20:40] So the $7,900 cost is that going to be absorbed into the cost of this project.
[20:49] Yes, that will include the estimator of pump or to distribute water when we're working on the project
[20:58] and jumping jack for a new passion.
[21:01] Okay, because that's that's made cost is 18,000 so that'll be including the equipment rental
[21:13] The brown farm road large corporate failure is estimated cost is 18,000 dollars
[21:20] That's the like you it. I cannot recall what the culvert was
[21:27] That was we found that option for a while I would think that that I feel low
[21:37] Do you have any words of wisdom like
[21:48] This job is going to take several days, so it makes more sense for us to rent that machine
[21:53] into a higher local contractor with the machine like that to come in for a day.
[21:58] Yes, it's probably going to take us close to three weeks.
[22:03] I talked to Josh Cohen from Mountain View.
[22:06] We would have looked at the site.
[22:08] He said he was going to be around 30 or 40.
[22:11] Okay.
[22:12] I guess this makes more sense.
[22:15] So, in-house is, you know, my Smith will be operating a piece of equipment, and we already have, you know, everything else we can do in-house for some of these over here.
[22:31] Okay, I don't have any questions in. I think this as well as Mike Skillset.
[22:36] I said I think this is well within Mike Skillset. So we need a motion for this.
[22:41] We do. We would make a motion to approve the sum of $7,900 to Milton Rants for the equipment needed for the Brown Farm Road COVID Project.
[22:53] second. Any more discussion on this?
[22:59] All in favor? All right.
[23:03] So, we don't have anything for
[23:04] paving and line striping Jeff. So, can you give us the high points and then we'll figure
[23:10] out if we need to take any action tonight?
[23:16] Do you not currently have them up, so that's something Mike and I get to mount work out.
[23:22] I had K-5 and Green Mountain would have been the two to choose from, so I don't have any numbers.
[23:33] I'm looking right now while your guys are talking for, I got, I got the two from Green Mountain.
[23:40] Was that something we need to take action on tonight?
[23:45] I'm kind of hard to do.
[23:46] I defer that to Jeff because I'm not sure what they painted not total before, so I'm not sure.
[23:51] I don't think it's, it's just their availability that's going to be that.
[23:55] I'm not sure what he's worked out with him.
[23:58] What are they available?
[23:58] How time-censitive is this Jeff?
[24:03] Persona has,
[24:12] I think the college wants to get some down.
[24:16] Just some crosswalks, but
[24:21] putting plows to him.
[24:23] Nobody wants to hear it, but we put plows to him sooner than life.
[24:32] So next meeting, I'll get some numbers and we can wrap it up.
[24:38] You'll have it at our next meeting in two weeks.
[24:41] Yes.
[24:41] Great.
[24:46] So we're going to table that for now and move on to Highway Safety Improvement Grant for
[24:52] Gardero replacement.
[24:56] Yes, we were awarded a request for a car rail as well as a Mother Safety Improvement
[25:06] options, the grants will be for the car rails on West Castleton up by Glen Lake, as well
[25:18] as
[25:21] well as the peak road
[25:29] for the bridge, better even without the old junkie ones there
[25:36] now, up at Glen Lake is the section where people end up in the lake when their headed
[25:43] is that where you're putting them?
[25:48] But the renauer bike went like that.
[25:50] Back then, like.
[25:52] Yes, that'll be a giant stretch right through there.
[25:56] Closer to the Scotch else I've run into Coriel.
[26:00] Yep, and short segments where they go into the lake.
[26:06] Didn't that happen this year?
[26:08] Yeah, not that long ago.
[26:10] Yeah, I'm seeing how it works last year as well, and we also have
[26:14] up there for all the advancements as well.
[26:19] The plan this is replacing the old ones.
[26:23] This grant doesn't pay for putting in ones that weren't there already.
[26:29] So, there are some dangerous spots closer to going like that.
[26:33] We'd have to do on our own at this point.
[26:34] They're not part of it.
[26:35] They can't be done through the grant.
[26:38] Does this grant require a match?
[26:41] The highly safety note.
[26:42] I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to speak in that one.
[26:45] care number. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't. I don't recall this all required
[26:51] a match because it's a safety grant. I don't think it requires a match. Good.
[26:57] Oh, I think what do you say, Mike, can I like 50,000, 49,000? 49,000? 49,000, I believe.
[27:03] This is happening this fall. I think we're waiting for a confirmation of the signature
[27:12] that we have accepted and I'm maybe able to get Lafayette out here this year, which would
[27:17] nice. And who wrote this grant? Jeff. Jeff, did? Nice work, Jeff. Oh, thank you.
[27:26] Saving the tell money. I did sign, I did sign it, so I went back to the state for accepting
[27:34] of the total acceptance. Trying to steal Jeff's thunder by saying you were part of a
[27:39] two-sided. I nailed it in, does that count? Well, the one person that won't fall on the
[27:46] that we don't know about because it never happens or it's still worth it if that makes any sense.
[27:54] You know you put the guardrails in they're going to go off the road where the guardrails aren't
[27:57] anyway. Yeah, well at least they won't go in the lake we hope. Well we can hope.
[28:04] All right let's talk about plow blades and shoes. You have a recommendation I see Jeff.
[28:11] If this is all for biking, typically a couple of weeks ago that has been significantly
[28:18] cheaper in the past, but unless you're up in this year, but biking provides the blades
[28:28] that we run on in the majority of the trucks that we've been buying and they're definitely
[28:35] not giving me cheaper.
[28:36] I think carbide jump 200% this year.
[28:40] I would
[28:48] make a motion to approve the sum of 7,919 dollars in one sense to
[28:54] wiking for the plow blades and choose that we need a plow cutting edges.
[28:59] Second. Any more discussion on that?
[29:03] All of favor?
[29:05] Hi.
[29:08] So now we got to talk about dead trees.
[29:16] So at the moment, specifically, I think on time street cross from Mr. Hattiff's
[29:25] Ranges have been falling, Peter contacts me three years ago and kind of been talking about this.
[29:34] And I think it's come to a point that it's time to take a section out of there.
[29:40] I don't know if Mr. Vultus is in the audience this evening.
[29:43] He is not.
[29:45] All right.
[29:45] I will speak for Mr. Wolves that I believe he did fill out the second form and I spoke of him
[29:54] and due to branches, he dropped him up.
[30:00] On to the road, Mr. Hattiches, concern for public safety as people walk their dogs and walk up and down the street, that it is probably as a good time to have these removed, Tim Woodard, the tree on her property, she has agreed to pay $400 towards the removal of the tree.
[30:32] Can we preface it with that?
[30:34] A letter was sent to her asking her considered to remove it and then Jeff had a subsequent
[30:39] conversation with after the letter and she offered up 400, so we tried to get her to tell
[30:45] it was her tree and pay for it but she came back with a counter offer.
[31:00] I'll be honest with you.
[31:00] I don't remember exactly what our hazard tree policy is anymore.
[31:08] Well the state says that the property owner owns the tree. I can't we changed it and I don't
[31:17] remember what we changed it to to be honest with that forgotten at this point.
[31:22] So what I came down to was acknowledging that trees in the right away are the terms
[31:30] responsibility if they pose a threat to infrastructure or public safety.
[31:38] So, in this case, if the tree is interrupted by the way, although it is on Timwood's property,
[31:46] the town has the obligation to remove the tree if the homeowner will not, or the property owner will not.
[31:59] Thanks, Jeff.
[32:05] Well, we certainly don't want to see anybody injured.
[32:10] It's just a slippery slope, because this is one of, I don't know, 5,000, 10,000 trees in the town
[32:19] fall in this perusal of being in the right away and expensive to remove.
[32:29] I'm reading the policy right now and does say the towns responsible is limited.
[32:33] How's it just trees that are located on town property owned by the town and
[32:39] pose a direct threat to the town, town owned infrastructure or public safety?
[32:45] So located on town land, not in the town right away, correct?
[32:49] And then it goes on, hazardous trees may be identified during routine inspection by the town staff
[32:56] of tree warden, prioritization, the town will prioritize the assessment, potential mitigation
[33:02] of hazardous trees based on the fallen criteria.
[33:05] High priority immediate risk to public infrastructure safety, then medium risk, moderate
[33:10] risk to could worsen without intervention and low priority in minimal or no current threat.
[33:18] But it does go back to
[33:23] Sands
[33:24] Proper owners are responsible for all trees on their private property all trees in the right of way adjoining their property
[33:30] Yeah, so that's not us
[33:41] It is a lot of other
[33:43] Verbi's in there, but it's that's that's the gist of it
[33:48] So in wrong numbers the other $5,000 dollars of this
[33:52] best of it, our counter responsibility.
[33:56] I think one of this one, Jeff was just talking about the top on the pine
[34:00] street by Blue Gate,
[34:06] but I'm not going to speak for my, I don't know if he's asking,
[34:09] because I think when I talk to him, we weren't asking for approval on all of those.
[34:13] Just a talk.
[34:14] Is that correct, Jeff?
[34:15] So just so I had leaders just to price out living the road just because
[34:24] so by blue gate and across
[34:27] we pulled 14, specifically across the blue gate, the 1300, that is the tree that I received
[34:39] call for Peter this morning that more branches have fallen down the road.
[34:46] That would be the
[34:47] train that's falling. That was
[34:53] different. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we got on there. So that's the
[35:00] part says a pine tree by Blue Gate. The 1300s that's the tree that has been on the three
[35:08] a year ago?
[35:13] Well would our hazardous tree ordinance appear that's Kim
[35:18] Woodard's tree to cut down not ours since it's not on town property it's just in
[35:23] the town right away.
[35:35] I agree with market that's a slippery slope we start for
[35:39] there's a lot of them that's why that's why we change the ordinance and improve
[35:44] the ordinance.
[35:47] No you can't set a precedent. So what's the pleasure of the
[35:51] I think that we should maybe contact the Vermont League and get their opinion.
[35:59] How do you feel about that?
[36:00] Like, I'll ask for anything.
[36:03] I don't know if we get back for an answer, but we won't get an answer back for an answer.
[36:08] I mean, I don't want to be reckless with public safety.
[36:10] Branches are falling in the road, but at the same time, I mean, you look at this.
[36:15] It's $1,300 a tree, boy, we could spend a quarter of a million dollars next summer taking
[36:26] care of all those trees.
[36:28] So, Jeff, what this tree is up on Pine Street, where is it up near Mr. Haddock's house?
[36:34] Yeah, I guess it's a ride across.
[36:38] I'll pick it right up there next time I'm out of the boat.
[36:42] We got a picture from someone on East Hubbyton Road of a tree that is equally as bad.
[36:47] I came down by itself.
[36:49] There we go.
[36:50] There's one right across your road from my house.
[36:54] Gravity does pull down usually, so.
[36:57] There's one across your road from my house.
[36:58] It's been falling down for 20 years and luckily it's never hit anybody.
[37:03] It's probably less dangerous now because it keeps coming down, but they're everywhere.
[37:07] Not the same situation where now as we were asked to cut that tree down,
[37:11] not that long ago and we said no because it's not our responsibility.
[37:16] Yeah, I mean we have to be really careful that we're consistent.
[37:18] I can't pick and choose.
[37:20] We've got to do one or the other.
[37:22] So it's a consensus of this board to take an election on this?
[37:27] Yes.
[37:28] No action.
[37:29] I don't think that we-
[37:30] We should review the ordinance and see if there is anything in there about requiring the property on every movie tree. I can't honestly, I can't remember the ordinance off the top of my head, so I'd have to review it again.
[38:04] It says in here, as long as it doesn't obstruct the view, like if your planet were people can't see,
[38:15] I'm going to say no because I don't want to have to deal with them.
[38:17] Well, I'm not talking about the third year.
[38:20] Well, let's just stay right away. That may have a whole separate set of rules.
[38:23] That's a really meaning me.
[38:25] I want to ask a person who owns land in town with a town right away.
[38:31] Well, I have a...
[38:31] They planned a tree there, or a bush, or a shrub, or a...
[38:35] Well, there's a whole bunch of trees on the bank in front of my house,
[38:38] it's in the town, right away, that the squirrel's planted.
[38:42] They had a rather mature white oaks of red oaks down,
[38:45] I assume the squirrel's planted them, and they weren't there when I bought the house,
[38:49] so whose responsibility is that?
[38:51] I don't know, every tree is planted by a critter, or the wind, or whatever.
[38:56] If a landowner has a right away across their property, it is the landowner's responsibility to make sure that that right away is clear.
[39:08] That is correct, Mark.
[39:09] The right away from the town is only to protect public safety and public infrastructure.
[39:18] So the trees and that is all the property owners.
[39:23] The town is truly only involved in either of those two cases.
[39:31] I can only give you my opinion, but my opinion is that the tree is not going to present
[39:36] a public safety hazard, like planning a lilac bush right at the corner of the street so
[39:41] that no one can see around the corner when traffic is intersecting.
[39:45] That I think wouldn't be appropriate, but if you wanted to plan a nice ash or maple tree,
[39:51] ten feet away from the road and it's still in the town right away, but it's never going to
[39:54] obstruct traffic.
[39:55] That might be okay, but that's only my opinion, I don't know what to do.
[40:01] in my opinion technically it's not legal. Would you get called on it? Probably not. I was
[40:09] on the other side of a situation like this a few years ago I had a piece of property and a woman
[40:13] had a right away through it that she never used but when I had a tree come down that I plan to cut
[40:19] up myself over the course of the next month I got a call from a lawyer saying hey you've legally
[40:24] got to clear that right away within 48 hours and that's what I had to do.
[40:31] I just sent the board the ordinance and this is key ownership versus control just because
[40:38] the tree is physically within a town right away does not mean the town automatically owns
[40:42] the tree. The underlying land often belongs to the abutting private landowner but the town
[40:48] holds rights via the easement right away and can regulate and roof trees and
[40:51] specific conditions. They put in a ditch and they can't maintain the ditch and they'd be like,
[40:57] that's got to go. Or if it blocks a view or to the road, if I send it to you so you can look at it,
[41:07] but there's a lot, it's a lot. That is strong. Well, I don't think that we should just ignore this,
[41:15] but I think that we have to go very carefully and make sure that we have a standard that's
[41:21] for everyone and get as much information as we can if if the league can provide us with anything.
[41:29] It might even be worth contacting the town attorney.
[41:35] She seems to be pretty sharp on all these municipal
[41:39] variations.
[41:42] Because this isn't going to, this is going to come up again and again and again.
[41:48] It does. I mean, we usually Jeff takes care of it and you don't even know about it, but when it comes to
[41:55] the gentleman that's called on us for three years and being right, latinist about it.
[41:59] We owe an answer that is consistent with the policies.
[42:05] Right.
[42:25] When they start getting into the power lines, you know, it becomes a different angle.
[42:30] Right.
[42:30] We don't want anybody to get killed.
[42:36] Well, the very first thing on the policies is that the town of castle is not responsible
[42:40] for the removal, maintenance, and monitoring of hazardous trees on private property, or within
[42:45] in the right of way, even if such trees are reported by residents.
[42:50] We have to be careful about setting a precedent.
[42:54] So at this point, we're all agreed we're going to take a deeper dive into our tree ordinance.
[42:59] And we should put it on our next meeting, so we don't, you know, we can't just kick this down the road.
[43:04] We need to come up with a definitive way we're going to handle these.
[43:14] I believe we did that one way.
[43:16] Maybe you are nuts in the side of this that we weren't going to.
[43:19] That's what I think.
[43:20] take care of them at the same time. We're going down and taking care of some. You know we can't
[43:27] go well if it's easy we'll do it. And if it's hard it's yours. You know where where do you draw that
[43:35] line? So it's fair. My personal opinion would be that we shouldn't be taking any trees down on anybody's
[43:42] private property according to our own ordinance. I would advise that. A year ago or a year ago.
[43:48] And that's consistent with what the state statute say.
[43:53] Yeah, a couple years ago, I asked Paul Egan about the one that was in my right
[43:56] Erden.
[43:57] He told me it was my problem.
[43:59] I called Green Mountain Power and they took it down.
[44:02] But they don't do that anymore.
[44:04] But look at what happened on Race Wills Road.
[44:07] So even if the tree is not growing, the trunk and root system is not in the right
[44:12] of way, but the branches are when we go out there to protect the right of way,
[44:16] then people complain about that too.
[44:24] But the incident up on the subordinate road by the blue hole. They took care of. They plan us and trees there today to appease the land on it
[44:31] Okay, well, I don't want to put a little of this or a belaborate. So I think we all agree we're going to do a deeper dive and discuss this at the next liquid meeting. Yeah, I'm going to move on
[44:45] You all in more
[44:48] track your repair flow. I took that out of here
[44:53] But Jeff, I asked Jeff if he could be prepared to talk about his hunger.
[44:57] Well, this is the quote, right?
[45:05] No, no, no, no, that's just for our knowledge, for the trackless. All I do what was wrong with that prior.
[45:11] All right, then I don't have anything for the.
[45:15] No, I took it out because we, that's because Evan is going to take care of it for us.
[45:19] Well, he's going to try, he's going to try to do it in-house and then have a meeting, I want to have a meeting next week with the public.
[45:30] works committee with Jeff and Evan and Heath to talk about vehicle replacement for the
[45:39] next to select board meeting. Okay, so are we going to be discussing vehicle replacement
[45:43] scheduled tonight and we'll move on to Parks and Recreation.
[45:49] A.I. have one more question for Jeff. Certainly. Are you still there, Jeff?
[45:53] Yes, sir. The co-buckle excavator says that news needs new link arms, pins and bushings.
[46:09] Okay, and that's just the pins and bushings on the link arms, not on the chains on the track.
[46:17] Correct.
[46:18] Do the chains are pretty new.
[46:19] That's what I thought.
[46:20] So that's something you're going to do in house.
[46:24] They should be able to do it all.
[46:26] I'll convert with Evan.
[46:29] Perfect.
[46:30] Circle background.
[46:31] Yep.
[46:31] Yeah, let us know if P doesn't think he can do that, please.
[46:35] Okay.
[46:36] Mr. Chairman.
[46:37] Can we circle back to the new home and more?
[46:40] Yes.
[46:42] So Jeff originally had, I think I shared it with the board.
[46:45] There was a $3,700 part to try to repair the new home.
[46:52] It's not the trackers, the more, the over the around more.
[46:55] So I was up there today.
[46:56] I talked to Evan and Jeff.
[46:59] and Evans and I try to do some repairs in internally and then I ask Jeff if he could check
[47:07] on there's some part numbers there to see if there's, can you get the separate parts
[47:13] or is it the housing that's needed and so after discussion today, it's already, Evans
[47:19] taken the top part of it off already but he's going to try to do some in-house fix and then
[47:25] to make sure that the holes the bolt holes aren't oblonged and that we're going to try to throw
[47:31] a good money in on that thing. So let's get through that in-house fix attempt. But next
[47:41] meeting we come make them back to you with the $3,700 repair because that's what would be needed
[47:47] to get that thing operational because it's not running right now.
[47:54] Okay,
[48:00] I'm not going to talk about
[48:01] track, let's right now either, right? Okay,
[48:08] remember we move on to the Parks and
[48:10] Recreation. Thanks Jeff. Thanks Jeff. Thanks Jeff. Thanks work on that
[48:13] grant.
[48:20] Thank you very much. All right
[48:25] everybody. Happy September. I apologize
[48:27] that the packet is extra thick. We had a busy end of the summer, and we have a
[48:31] busy start to our fall. So hopefully now as fall season, the next one will be a
[48:34] little bit shorter on these updates. So dive into September a little bit. Put update
[48:41] on a breakfast that's been basically
[48:43] we've been working on over last week and a half.
[48:46] We're going to work on a lot of things on the back end,
[48:47] both implementing programs into the back end.
[48:50] And then also because Casalton is a little bit
[48:53] weird that we have people that technically
[48:55] have a fair haven of address that they're
[48:57] technically considered Casalton.
[48:59] So a lot of last week I was inputting street by street
[49:02] by street, making sure that we got all those residents.
[49:05] And if anybody who got missed, they just
[49:07] need to give us a call and say, hey,
[49:09] I'm a castlin resident, can you just include me?
[49:11] And we can go ahead and put that in me and look for them.
[49:15] And then on the public side, the exciting thing is on Friday,
[49:18] we sent out a Facebook post, in front of Fortune Forum post,
[49:21] and I'm working on an email to help people
[49:24] start creating accounts on RECDESC.
[49:26] So again, our new website is Castleton www.Castleton.
[49:31] RECDESC.com, you can check it out.
[49:33] There's some early pictures there.
[49:35] And our goal right now is to go live for people
[49:38] to start registering for basketball on October 2nd.
[49:42] That might there might be some delays or some
[49:44] kinks that we're still working out, but basketball is going to be our first program.
[49:48] And then we're also going to plan on putting pickleball in there for the fall as well.
[49:52] And then as people, let me know what kind of programs are interested in helping us to run
[49:55] we'll be able to offer more winter programs that we're going there as well.
[49:59] So again, there's the user side and then there's the public side on there.
[50:03] So our next steps, again, I'm advertising to the public to start creating accounts.
[50:08] We're going to start actually also offering open houses in the evenings and the afternoon for people to come in.
[50:14] They can ask questions on how to create an account or how to register.
[50:17] So we're really trying to help people really make this as seamless as a transition as possible.
[50:22] We know that it's going to be a change that are going to be different.
[50:25] But we're really excited because Hago right now we're having some issues with pickle wall and Hago is just not cutting up for us.
[50:33] We contacted them about a week and a half ago. Finally, I heard back from them today, and they're like,
[50:38] we'll bring it to the development team. So, just another reason why we're kind of ready to say goodbye to Hey Gov and move forward with our new registration platform.
[50:47] So we've got some of all this pickle all numbers in there, a little bit on this floor side,
[50:51] but we're expecting that as the weather gets a little bit cooler and more people are coming back and playing indoors
[50:56] those numbers should increase in September and beyond.
[51:02] So, our camp was very successful, you kind of, after a little bit of a rocky start with
[51:07] administrative challenges, we were able to kind of pass that and really had a great summer
[51:12] across all of our camps, kind of as camp or ceiling camp, and our adventure camp.
[51:17] I kind of put through some feedback from the parents, and I haven't had a chance to really sit
[51:22] down and sympathize, sit down with all the feedback from all the parents stuff we got, and
[51:27] of the evaluations from the staff, but we're hoping that in the next couple of months to
[51:32] sit down with the directors and kind of do a white wash and kind of work things out a
[51:36] little bit more administratively and somehow keeping, but overall the kids had a really great time
[51:40] and we're pleased with how many years you see that.
[51:48] I also wanted to point out that the sailing camp
[51:50] was a little bit lower, but we also have less people reviewing it and we had one person
[51:54] kind of brought down that ring. So, mostly positive feedback on sailing, but there's just
[51:59] that one person that had a little bit of negative feedback on the press.
[52:10] So, and we could
[52:11] step the ocean this year. And then for soccer, soccer, before I went on vacation, I put
[52:19] the order in for soccer and we were all good to go. And then I got back and we had a couple
[52:23] hiccups with people that were trying to sign up really late for soccer. So, along story
[52:29] Sure.
[52:30] I had some conversations with coaches, and we were able to accommodate them, but it's kind of a more global discussion that I'm looking to have eventually, when it's kind of that official cut off, we're not accepting more people, but besides that, soccer has been going really well. This is our second full week of it. No, the third full week and it's really enjoying it.
[52:53] In addition, we also have a couple of other one-off classes going on. We have another single-on-class with stage.
[52:59] To get three families signed up for that the first time and we're hoping to increase those numbers for her September
[53:04] the which is coming pretty quickly
[53:07] And then we have yoga and bar taking place right down the hall. That's really taken off Sabrina's back in people with really enjoy that program
[53:15] And these were numbers from a couple of weeks ago and those numbers have just kind of continued to grow
[53:19] So we're really excited about her coming back
[53:23] On Saturday morning also have a new program that one of our campus counselors is a big runner
[53:28] So, he's offering a couch potato to 5K that every week they're going to be doing a little bit of running.
[53:34] And then the last week is right before the Friends of Parks and Recreation 5K on Thanksgiving.
[53:39] So, hoping that people will after doing all the training will then transfer over and stand for the 5K with friends.
[53:47] And then lastly, in addition to working on the self-reflect desk, I've been busy working on the fall festival, recruiting for sponsorships.
[53:54] Um, just a week, I really, I'm going to start trying to make some phone calls to potential
[53:58] entertainment, um, such as the bounce houses, which he's, Matt has already secured,
[54:03] I'm looking at stuff, stuff like rock walls, um, and other activities to kind of keep the kids busy,
[54:08] in addition to the texture, texture, and trunk retreat.
[54:12] So, reparations have been, we've been busy, um, but it's been,
[54:16] blasting, we're really looking for it, you know, a really busy ball.
[54:22] Where's food for Michael?
[54:31] No, it looks great.
[54:35] Do you want me to stay up here for you? I know I saw the ball festival was on the second quarter
[54:39] Do you want me to stay for more questions on the adder?
[54:41] We can duck a little. Do you have anything to add about the ball festival at this point?
[54:45] I do not.
[54:48] Questions for Mike on that?
[54:53] We're going to move on to Crystal Beach.
[55:00] Mark does not hear.
[55:04] Let's see Mark on line either.
[55:06] That's Bob and the lower right corner. Is that correct?
[55:10] Yes.
[55:18] I'm sure that's on the horizon and closing the crystal beach, but they've started, they've
[55:24] started closing up the building, but they needed to get the water drain back from the
[55:31] for the week, and Martha asked, I think it was Evan or Jeff, he asked it, if Russ could do
[55:40] and she didn't know that rusted resign so we're actually getting somebody up there to
[55:46] drain that out that the sinks in the toilets and drain it back to the lake and pull
[55:50] the pump out of the lake tree plantings and removal so all the tree plantings that could
[55:58] be done this year are completed and then there's some there's a few trees that need to get
[56:04] removed next year that that dead one that's hanging over the kids jungle gym that's
[56:09] That's going to come down.
[56:11] There's a big branch already fell down and I think there was no one underneath it, but it's
[56:15] on town property and it's not in the right of way.
[56:19] Well, that's an easy one.
[56:20] Yeah, that's ours.
[56:21] There's a couple on the north side of Zuckerbrook.
[56:24] There's one dead one over there.
[56:25] It's an Elmer and Ash.
[56:27] And then there's a couple of the willows.
[56:31] So we ordered trees.
[56:34] We planted them.
[56:37] Well, I take that.
[56:37] We ordered trees. Those that come in yet, they're going to get planted behind the town office and put in
[56:43] cover around of mulch deep mulch to help protect the roots of the winter and there's a warranty.
[56:51] So if they don't make it through the winter, we can get them replaced for free.
[56:55] And once those trees are taken down up there, the new ones will get planted.
[56:59] So far so good.
[57:02] It was later in the year, so far they haven't been broken and used as marshmallow sticks.
[57:09] update on the investigation of two wells. I did ask Martha last week if her crew would clean
[57:14] that out and she said that she believes they have not. So I've asked Jeff to go up there
[57:22] and set her set up one of his crew to pull the sticks out of that because when there's
[57:26] going to be right around the corner, another year kicked the can down the road, but once the
[57:30] stuff's taken out of there, Parker will come back and test the flow to make sure how many gallons
[57:34] a minute that will yield and that will kind of give us more direction, whether we want
[57:42] to test it for drinkability. They suggested not to do that if it's low yield well, so
[57:50] don't bother putting the money or time into it. Let's find that out first. So that has not been resolved.
[57:57] And the snack check maintenance we haven't done any work on that yet to this point.
[58:06] We have
[58:06] There is some work that needs to be done on the doors to get them so they're weathertight and secure for the winter.
[58:12] Those ones that fold up on the right where people can order their food or whatever those doors, especially one on the west side, facing Lake.
[58:25] That's it right now.
[58:33] Are we ready to move on to public safety?
[58:36] Point what do the animal control officer?
[58:41] Good evening.
[58:45] Do you have your proposal, please?
[58:48] You can give me your pitch.
[58:50] But I'm sorry.
[58:53] Well, listen.
[58:54] It's a purple.
[58:55] So I'm not opposed.
[58:57] So here's the thing.
[58:59] So from January 1 to September 2 today,
[59:03] I looked at the numbers.
[59:05] Okay, the 37-animal problems and 2-animal neglects.
[59:10] More recently, I just finished one on neglect and cool thing where pets died.
[59:19] So there's an active one right now that's going on, the Avery's actually doing, and I
[59:25] texted Mike, I have got back comedy, because he doesn't have access of computer as part
[59:31] the system we use because he can't use our system because he's not certified
[59:37] in policing so I don't know you know that the reporting system he has is just
[59:42] all what he has or I don't even know if he puts it in a computer his own so I did
[59:50] text him for that he clarifies that that's Mike Alexander the three-word
[59:55] Yeah, I might go in there and go from throw off the set.
[59:57] Yeah, yeah, so I said, yeah.
[1:00:00] That's not what we heard. We have said that. We hear that.
[1:00:05] So, obviously, you know, as I go through this, I mean, I could sell this easily, because I think it works well for us. We provide the services. It'll be more accountable. We'll have more resources.
[1:00:22] And then, you know, I know ultimately it comes down to a cost issue, but I believe that
[1:00:27] what we do and how hard it's been to get the animal control officer, we won't have
[1:00:35] that problem.
[1:00:38] That's the biggest issue is because when people call, they want the service now and you give
[1:00:47] on the call and he's working full-time. So I told him to stand that.
[1:00:57] So your proposal includes
[1:00:59] an appointment of one of your officers as animal rights officers. What happens when that
[1:01:06] individual is on vacation in New Mexico? We have to take it. We take them. As we'll have the
[1:01:13] vehicle set up to do that. So another officer will stand in for that. Just assume to take
[1:01:18] stuff, if it's a major investigation, probably would be the chief for weight, if it's something
[1:01:25] I could weight, if it's not serious.
[1:01:29] I mean, any one of them officers to do it. Just
[1:01:34] because of being in the field, there's still parts of it you need to have some knowledge
[1:01:42] on animals and the resources. And I learned a lot just recently on the last case that,
[1:01:48] because I do death investigations for people,
[1:01:51] and normally if it's a suspicious one,
[1:01:53] you have to send them up for an autopsy,
[1:01:55] well, an animal that's called an acoropsy.
[1:01:58] The state vet doesn't do them,
[1:01:59] they do them for some big animals,
[1:02:01] they don't have a lab.
[1:02:02] The most of the time they either take somebody from you and age
[1:02:05] because they have a huge lab down there for that type of pathology.
[1:02:12] Bring them down there, so there's a class factor
[1:02:16] for the agency that wants it.
[1:02:22] So that's a piece that I've been in policing over 30 years and I didn't realize that actually.
[1:02:29] And so we have the car, the biggest, you know, if you want to look at the actual pricing I came out with,
[1:02:40] I'd like to go right to the numbers because I know that's important.
[1:02:43] So chief, you'd be retrofitting a police car that stays in rotation.
[1:02:47] and this is absolutely absolutely and is that going to limit that car's effectiveness for
[1:02:54] other police work. Now because we're looking at getting an insert a two-thirds insert like
[1:03:00] in my car I have it one-third transport for prisoners in a two-thirds just open. That's the system
[1:03:09] need. The 20 is all open for transport with just the cage. But the newer, all the newest ones
[1:03:18] all have, I think, the Tahoe is half, even not because it's still big inside. It's supposed to be
[1:03:26] a one third, two thirds, but the other cars are one third, two thirds. But this wouldn't be able,
[1:03:33] you wouldn't move it from one car to another and be set up in one car. Correct. That would be the
[1:03:40] It would stay here, just like the rest of the cars, but the officer that's assigned as the ACO would use that car for patrol.
[1:03:55] So, you have me questions on some of the paragraphs that we talked about.
[1:04:00] Before I get to numbers, I get to kind of move right ahead of that.
[1:04:05] The documentation piece in case management is huge for us because we really don't manage the system,
[1:04:11] No, unless we create a case and then give it to the ACO,
[1:04:21] transport, commit, we talked about access to outside resources.
[1:04:27] You know, I mean, that's the biggest thing.
[1:04:28] We'll have access to take the dog.
[1:04:30] So you mean society and such,
[1:04:31] because we don't have a holding area down here.
[1:04:35] None of them, that clinic,
[1:04:36] sad that kind of thing, which is normal.
[1:04:37] Because they have, we would have a key,
[1:04:39] that he has a key now to get into it.
[1:04:40] So if it's after hours,
[1:04:43] You just have to go in there and fill out a form, put a dog in an area and then leave
[1:04:49] under the form indicating where you found it, what were the circumstances in such.
[1:05:01] Well, so yeah, here, let me just look at this real quick.
[1:05:05] You know, it comes down to the equipment.
[1:05:07] We have most of the equipment already, with the exception of the insert.
[1:05:11] That really what we need.
[1:05:13] We've got several donors that want to assist.
[1:05:19] So when I look at your proposal here on page 7, it says kennel insert 465200 and then donations at the right seats, is that an offset somewhere all of that comes?
[1:05:32] Well, I would say 80% in math and math.
[1:05:34] It could be all of it.
[1:05:36] Really?
[1:05:36] Because I've had people come to me and ask, you know, what we don't need to help.
[1:05:40] People do that.
[1:05:41] They will do that a comment.
[1:05:45] Some people have cement, and I have not given them anything, and I didn't try to sell it to them, but they'll come up and ask them.
[1:05:52] Periodically, so there are some people I will reach out to.
[1:05:56] So the majority of the cost will be the off-duty hours.
[1:06:00] Correct, and so if you look at the off-duty hours, three to six hours a week, that goes from low end to high end.
[1:06:11] And I calculated, I looked at the hours for our calls and just kind of, they don't come every week.
[1:06:20] Some weeks, you may have like 10, 12 hours depending on type of investigation.
[1:06:24] Some weeks, why have anything?
[1:06:26] Yeah. And some will take like 20 minutes versus, you know, the case that I just finished.
[1:06:31] You know, that was probably a search warrant.
[1:06:35] I mean, it was probably close to 10 hours total if you had it all up.
[1:06:38] Yeah, that was a whole different set of certain different different deal. But when they're on duty, I mean, we pick it up.
[1:06:48] So would we be appointing one officer the dog warden or would we be appointing the police department to handle dog warden?
[1:06:56] So what I'm getting at is if it was one officer and they were not on duty and a dog call came in.
[1:07:04] would the officer have to come in and handle it on over time or would an officer that was
[1:07:11] already on the clock handle it? It depends on what it is. If it's something that's a dog that's
[1:07:19] loose and it's not vicious and I'll because there's certain things that you got to be at the
[1:07:25] tools, stools, yeah, I mean I can't hold a plan here.
[1:07:30] My self, you know, taking them up there. But if it's complicated, they're going to be called that. I wouldn't expect all my officers to do this, but, but, you know, you got vacations, could be out of town, we'd handle it. If it's a major investigation, then we can get the basic information and then hand the case back to the ACL. So it would be just one officer.
[1:07:58] plus the officer that I chose and the one that really was brought up to my attention,
[1:08:05] I wasn't even thinking like this initially until I said that that's actually pretty
[1:08:09] sound like the actual thing. So it was self-initiated by them because we've been having
[1:08:15] problems keeping the ACL. You know that.
[1:08:18] Well, I like the idea that it's bad. It's an ordinary side since I've been here.
[1:08:24] It's a lot different now and a forward-facing position where you're going to deal with
[1:08:27] public. It's nice to have someone that has that training. Correct, and that's
[1:08:31] something. So they'll have to go through at least the level one, possibly the
[1:08:35] level two. But it's all online. I sent Mike to the online force. It was
[1:08:40] just trying to be sensitive to the overtime cost. Oh yeah, totally. I understand.
[1:08:45] Totally. Totally. I understand. I mean, we do overtime as it is because we
[1:08:50] and filled their cops growing up.
[1:08:52] But I'm about to change that, but that's another story.
[1:08:58] I see more positives.
[1:09:01] I obviously always comes down to the money.
[1:09:04] The only other thing was the microchip scanner.
[1:09:06] So a lot of pets are shipped, and I'll tell you
[1:09:11] where it oozes is, and whatever.
[1:09:13] If it's on the universal system, that that's used.
[1:09:18] So that's something that's pretty common among
[1:09:22] AACOs, they have an A range and you're from 50 to 400.
[1:09:26] I don't know the difference of any of them.
[1:09:28] I just kind of looked at the ranges with the costs that I saw.
[1:09:32] That's not a piece of equipment we currently own.
[1:09:36] Now, now they transmit if they can't find the owner,
[1:09:39] and then they can't transport into the main site.
[1:09:41] There's a cost associated with transport and back and forth.
[1:09:45] I don't know how many calls a year, but can I interject for a minute?
[1:09:48] Because when I, when I first started here, Kevin McCallon was the ACO and he's resigned and then we've struggled to get people to fill that job and reply or respond to people's complaints.
[1:10:03] And I think the select board would be sensitive that when people will say, hey, we pay for a service whether it's plowing the roads or fire trucks showing up when they need it or a police.
[1:10:14] And this is, I just say this is no different than that service because when people get angry
[1:10:22] about the, they get very passionate about the animals and when we, when they don't hear
[1:10:27] back in the ACO, guess who gets a phone call?
[1:10:30] It's going to be me or that man.
[1:10:33] And I've got so many calls over the last eight years of, I've been trying to call the ACO,
[1:10:38] no one gets back to me.
[1:10:39] And then, if it's not well documented, and the case goes, maybe it's a court case, and I'll
[1:10:44] got a bit, and somebody's suing, and the judge, or the police officer needs to get a report,
[1:10:49] and we can't get a report because nothing was generated, or, you know, it was written on down on a
[1:10:54] piece of paper, and not really filled out. So to me, I'd promise that from a service to the community,
[1:11:01] not just public safety, and that always comes with a cost. Well, they were going to buy a new
[1:11:07] truck or put new blades on a plow or we're going to fix sewer lines whatever it's always
[1:11:13] there's a cost associated with all this but I think it's professional to have under the police
[1:11:18] department and have a professional response and organization and I'll bet you if you put this on a
[1:11:25] ballot and ask the people of the town to vote to have an ACO to deal with this that overwhelmingly
[1:11:30] they would support it for nine to twelve thousand dollars a year. Now I don't disagree with the chief
[1:11:36] I think that, once this gets rolling, you'll have people donating.
[1:11:41] Oh, they are.
[1:11:43] I mean, that's anything with the animals.
[1:11:45] When we have them, the bones are now for the animal control.
[1:11:47] I know you're going to ask me that.
[1:11:48] I don't have those.
[1:11:49] I thought it was, you said a little about 45, 100, right?
[1:11:52] Yes, well, that's about it.
[1:11:53] That's about it.
[1:11:53] I thought it was 46.
[1:11:54] Yeah.
[1:11:55] Okay.
[1:11:56] And we bought a lot of this stuff that's in there for, like, buying equipment.
[1:11:59] We've purchased it.
[1:12:00] Yeah.
[1:12:00] panels and gloves and, you know, the pole that pulls the, you know, but I'm around the neck
[1:12:07] and so they can't, you know, bite somebody or whatever.
[1:12:10] After we appointed Mr. Alexander, he went through and did an inventory of the equipment and
[1:12:14] made sure that we got it all back from the previous ACO and that it was in good repair.
[1:12:21] So, and I'm sure that Mike was conscious of enough to do a little job of that.
[1:12:27] The other thing is the interpersonal communication skills, because we deal with people all time,
[1:12:35] whether they're complaining, or mad, they want something, or whatever, especially in the services.
[1:12:42] I don't know how many calls I get on ferrocats.
[1:12:47] Yeah, we had one site for four years ago, the person at 24 pharaoh cats and they were just
[1:12:57] wreaking havoc over the neighborhood, so we ended up contacting the main site who would do
[1:13:04] that.
[1:13:04] Pick them up and they set traps all over the property and caught all them because they were
[1:13:10] finding them deceased, stuff all over, so I mean there's stuff that you don't know about
[1:13:16] that's going out there that we get complaints about that, you know, and I think at this
[1:13:23] point for this town, it's a service that needs to be professionalized, it needs to be
[1:13:31] accountable and we got a better documentation. We just got to do it the right way.
[1:13:35] And you're talking about animal control officer, not a dog ward in there, but there's a
[1:13:43] registration piece, how much time did I spend on that, helping out Mike with that?
[1:13:50] That was brutal.
[1:13:52] The letters I had to put out, because he didn't have access to the system, so that's
[1:13:57] another piece.
[1:13:58] Remember how that was a big sore piece, because we never had any of the dogs were it?
[1:14:03] Well, we got a close to 85% registration, at least once we know.
[1:14:09] When it was like 30,
[1:14:13] I thought that's my pitch.
[1:14:16] It's cheaper than fireworks, because it's cheaper than fireworks.
[1:14:20] Yeah, it is.
[1:14:21] That's generally what it says.
[1:14:22] Where's the money coming from?
[1:14:24] Yeah.
[1:14:24] It's going to be built in.
[1:14:25] I don't think the police department is going to be able to absorb $12,000.
[1:14:29] I mean, they can when they're, when they're understaffed, but when you're full
[1:14:32] staff, they don't think you're going to absorb $12,000.
[1:14:35] It's going to have to be an added.
[1:14:38] For this year, it's going to end up being absorbed into that budget as best we can.
[1:14:43] but then in November December timeframe as we're building out the budget for the next fiscal year
[1:14:48] we added in to see where we land with it and then I'm going to put it in there I work with the
[1:14:53] chief and then it's up to the select board decide whether they want to be able to put it for the
[1:14:58] Well, I would suggest that when we...
[1:15:00] We build next year's budget with the animal control. We still be a separate item in the budget, as it has been.
[1:15:07] Just a dollar value is going to be increased.
[1:15:10] But explain that it would be managed by the professional police department.
[1:15:15] Well, plus the other thing is that.
[1:15:18] Yeah. Well, plus the other thing,
[1:15:21] talking about that 94 to 12,000.
[1:15:30] Probably, I would say probably not three quarters of
[1:15:35] that will be used for payroll.
[1:15:42] But if you put it under the ACO and it's say it's $4,500,
[1:15:46] just to get us right now. If you're going to put it to $12,994 to $12,000, you're only raising
[1:15:54] that ACO budget, not the police department budget, and that the voters have a chance to
[1:16:00] vote on it independently if they wanted or not. And then the payroll, as far as the payroll
[1:16:06] goes, we just put a code in the and the paste system, so the officer gets paid out of the ACO
[1:16:11] budget, not out of the police department budget. Yeah, I like that idea.
[1:16:16] Well, once again, we'll have to make sure that we get a vote, you know, that the voters know
[1:16:21] they're voting on. So here's my question. Because there is, there is a set of urgency in this
[1:16:31] getting this thing. I'm not 100% innocent. There's parts of this week and implement now.
[1:16:39] Because of fact, Mike is just, I mean, he's not, he's just waiting for me to say, okay,
[1:16:45] Done. We'll take it. We've been doing it anyway. I'm going to add a call for the last two of them.
[1:16:53] It's hard for me to kind of attack a little old community. There's nothing against Mike. I understand.
[1:16:57] He's got a lot of stuff going on. So I'm asking if I can implement some of these things going forward.
[1:17:13] I'm on all in favor of it.
[1:17:14] If you're already doing, I'm already doing. That's what I'm saying.
[1:17:16] I'm not saying that their person's going to start working all this over time, but I am saying that
[1:17:22] I want to get this person trained, I want to get, I want to talk about getting some of their equipment, stuff like that, so I can gear it up.
[1:17:32] And I think it would be safe to say that if we have, I'll use that $4,500, I'm afraid because that's for grabs.
[1:17:38] I think it's safe to say that the animal control officer at $4,500, you'll have that $4,500, at least.
[1:17:45] Yeah, I mean, I would want to use all of that, but I could use some of it, but I'm going to go with the plan that we have, and I just want to get, you know, the online courses and that much, like 400 bucks, but there's stuff that I could get, the person started implementing some of this, get some of the equipment prepared, getting stuff ready. That's basically what I'm looking at.
[1:18:09] The top priority has a lot of the fundamentals already in blood.
[1:18:11] Absolutely.
[1:18:12] So the off-serve is eight.
[1:18:13] It would be a debris.
[1:18:14] And we need to fill this position.
[1:18:16] So this makes perfect sense.
[1:18:18] And we've been getting, we just had two big things recently.
[1:18:21] So that, and I agree with Mike, I think that the voters would approve this.
[1:18:26] I mean, they do things that sometimes we don't expect.
[1:18:30] But I think that if this was presented to the voters in a way, would you be willing to
[1:18:35] spend this extra to have the ACL handled by the police department by train professionals.
[1:18:45] I think it would pass overwhelmingly angry with you.
[1:18:50] Well, we down side, I see as the cost, the upsides are not really easy to quantify because
[1:18:56] a lot of it's public safety and it would be irresponsible on this board's part and not
[1:19:02] to do everything we can to promote public safety.
[1:19:04] Yep.
[1:19:05] Yeah, I think if we do a good job of getting this information out to the public,
[1:19:09] that they would overwhelmingly support it.
[1:19:11] What I mean, the thing is right now, too, is the area I'm looking for,
[1:19:14] off sur budgets, $4,500, but how much are we paying,
[1:19:16] might the answer to telephone, and to deal with the calls that come in,
[1:19:20] how much are we already paying, and the police department,
[1:19:21] the answer to the calls that come in as well?
[1:19:24] I mean, we're just, that's not getting split out of that $4,500 already.
[1:19:28] Right. I mean, if Mike spends three hours, you know, a month or whatever,
[1:19:32] that's still three hours a month.
[1:19:34] And today, today, over an hour on that the C-Stogs call,
[1:19:39] because it was more than just that.
[1:19:40] It was a lot more to it, but that's how it started out.
[1:19:44] And after all the phone calls to the state in the city of Rutland,
[1:19:46] and Pete, and Justin, I had over an hour invested in that.
[1:19:50] So, do we need a motion for this?
[1:19:52] As we've asked, what should we appoint Avery Schneider,
[1:19:57] the animal control officer, effectively, immediately,
[1:19:59] and then move forward?
[1:20:00] Yeah, I mean, I'm not looking for the money,
[1:20:06] that's for next year, like the 90s, whatever that, whatever you come up with, I'm just looking to implement the program.
[1:20:13] That's all.
[1:20:13] How about if we make a motion to have the castle and police department take over the ACL position for the remainder of this year
[1:20:25] to be distributed, however, the chief sees fit and they would have access to that budget.
[1:20:37] That's my motion, that we would turn over the animal control officer position to the castle and police department in its entirety for the remainder of 2026.
[1:20:47] And they can be delegated at the Chief's discretion.
[1:20:50] He can delegate it.
[1:20:51] Whatever he needs to do it.
[1:20:53] And he'll have access to the funds that the voters have already approved for that purpose.
[1:21:01] because this is the most expensive.
[1:21:04] Any more discussion?
[1:21:09] Well, all in favor?
[1:21:11] All in my eye?
[1:21:12] Tag your eye?
[1:21:13] I don't have a dog anymore.
[1:21:15] I don't have a dog anymore.
[1:21:16] No, why don't you take your next?
[1:21:17] It's a big little random.
[1:21:20] So this be done in an executive session if I should.
[1:21:23] I think so, but what I wanted to have,
[1:21:26] I was asked to put it on the,
[1:21:28] I'll start by over again.
[1:21:30] I want to put it on the agenda
[1:21:33] agenda. So the public knows what's going on. So the public chief in
[1:21:39] Telo has said he wants his resignation will be in May of
[1:21:47] the 2027, but his current contract doesn't carry him out that far. So he has to
[1:21:51] extend his contract. Does it actually just expired on me?
[1:21:56] I think it wasn't until next year what I didn't remember when your data
[1:22:00] tire was, except yeah, except to breathe.
[1:22:06] So he's subject to his normal, his normal increases that he's had in his contracts, going back
[1:22:13] for a long time, or consistent, and this one, the three percent increase.
[1:22:19] I look through this and there's no changes other than the three percent increase.
[1:22:23] Yeah.
[1:22:24] It's a sad change to the date, because it worked for it ended.
[1:22:28] This is an executive.
[1:22:31] I think we're going to be in trouble if he just packs the stuff up tomorrow and leaves.
[1:22:51] Yeah, considering this contract expired three days ago.
[1:22:53] I mean, I make a motion that we extend his contract until update.
[1:23:03] 30, it's 20, 27.
[1:23:05] 30 is 20, 27.
[1:23:07] What was the second thing that any more discussion?
[1:23:12] All clear?
[1:23:12] All right.
[1:23:14] So can we sign this copy here?
[1:23:16] Do we have to have this looping in the blue folder?
[1:23:20] I need to have one sign.
[1:23:22] Yeah, so we can fill this up. You can just sign the back of one of these and you sign mine that back
[1:23:29] and the blue folders down there. So you're right again.
[1:23:36] You're hired.
[1:23:39] Said that's the once a long time ago. How many years has it been chief. Go off. It's'll be 13.
[1:23:48] He's never said aye.
[1:23:51] Or zero down that he's on.
[1:23:54] Do you hear us?
[1:23:58] So, who was on the panel?
[1:23:59] June.
[1:23:59] I know.
[1:24:00] Bruno.
[1:24:01] Bruno's family.
[1:24:03] Promotory.
[1:24:05] No.
[1:24:06] Who was on there that year?
[1:24:09] We had a trailer.
[1:24:10] Joe.
[1:24:14] John Hill.
[1:24:16] John Hill.
[1:24:18] John Hill.
[1:24:18] John Hill.
[1:24:20] John Hill.
[1:24:24] All right, my good.
[1:24:26] You're good.
[1:24:27] Thank you.
[1:24:27] You've got to work now.
[1:24:28] No, you've got to contract again.
[1:24:32] Of course, I don't want to thank you.
[1:24:34] I think he was like this in a blueholder mic.
[1:24:36] Please, all.
[1:24:38] So I heard he got them floating in the driveway.
[1:24:40] It's like, good.
[1:24:41] I don't have the chair.
[1:24:42] Okay.
[1:24:43] We're going to move on too.
[1:24:44] Where do we move on?
[1:24:47] Red cross sheltering training.
[1:24:50] Oh, I'll take this one.
[1:24:51] We had training last week for the Red Cross sheltering and I did ask them to make it more lively.
[1:25:04] So instead of death by PowerPoint, we actually set up the Legion Mary Lee was there.
[1:25:10] And just, do we need to go set up all the cops and that kind of stuff?
[1:25:12] We just like, designated areas and discuss who we were doing what.
[1:25:17] found out there was some areas at the Legion that were really conducive to, like, if somebody was sick
[1:25:25] and it was an outbreak of something where you can keep them separate.
[1:25:28] I'm not talking like a pandemic stuff, but sick coughing, so you don't get everybody else sick
[1:25:33] in the place,
[1:25:37] but the training was fine, they're going to come back, they're going to offer
[1:25:42] some additional training to the town, because most of the people that were there were not
[1:25:47] from Castleton.
[1:25:49] There were other towns, sent people there for the training.
[1:25:52] So we had Cindy L, who's on the Fart Department,
[1:25:58] and on the emergency management team,
[1:25:59] and a member of the Legionot Viziloria,
[1:26:02] I think, is her title.
[1:26:05] Marley was there, and Lisa Thayer, who's also
[1:26:11] Legion and Fart Department of Ziloria.
[1:26:15] So they typically are the ones that help
[1:26:17] ever we need to set something up or do training anyway, mostly Cindy Yow.
[1:26:22] So what we got out of it was we got some short falls, little things we got to work on,
[1:26:28] as far as laying out the areas because you got a place for kids to play and you got to have,
[1:26:35] they have animals because if they have actual licensed or certified therapy animals,
[1:26:44] stuff like that that you you're supposed to take them in the States policies and the red cross
[1:26:49] policies that they don't turn them away. So talking about how to navigate that. But the I guess
[1:26:56] disappointing was that there was nobody from the town that came to say I want to be part of the
[1:27:04] emergency management the sheltering team. Didn't we have people signed up though, but just didn't show
[1:27:10] Well, two of my know-of said they would be their husband, wife, combination, and they didn't show up.
[1:27:19] But there was 13 people signed up, and nobody besides the people that arrived in there, Lisa and Cindy showed up.
[1:27:30] So we're still back to that, how do we find people to volunteer to be a member of that sheltering team,
[1:27:38] and then receive the training needed to be able to function because there's a lot of personal
[1:27:47] information that's protected when you're going to a shelter and sign in and you don't
[1:27:53] have to put your name down. The red cross does not require that. And the police can't come in there
[1:27:58] and just cruise through and look and see if there's somebody that won't. They have to have
[1:28:04] warranty to go in there. So there's some things that have to be safeguarded and
[1:28:08] have to take things. But we found out that the Legion would work fine for this in
[1:28:15] manageable numbers. We're not going to take a hundred people in. But if we
[1:28:20] have to stand up a shelter and so we are overflowed or overwhelmed by it, we can
[1:28:27] the Red Cross to open up the city of Rutland's shelter at the high school, that's the regional
[1:28:34] shelter. So we're not an island, we're not, but what they tell us is the first 72 hours you're on
[1:28:39] your own, because it's going to take the Red Cross that long to stand up and mobilize and get people
[1:28:44] there. So for the, we have to really manage just for the first 72 hours or three operational periods,
[1:28:49] if you're doing 24-hour periods, but if you're doing 12, we're talking sick.
[1:28:56] That was the disappointing part, is that we just didn't have people coming in there to go on to do it.
[1:29:02] So we're going to keep promoting it out there on social media.
[1:29:06] That's what they said, the Lady Lindsay from the Red Cross that they'll help us with some promotion and marketing and make something more fun and
[1:29:19] You know, food and get prizes and all that kind of stuff to get people to come in and listen
[1:29:24] to the pitch and want to become, get them maybe excited to do it.
[1:29:29] So, it sounds like, oh, but until you really need this and then all of a sudden, if we
[1:29:35] did have a place where people needed to go because of a natural or man-made disaster that
[1:29:41] displace them from their homes, we'd be in trouble.
[1:29:45] people come out of the woodwork, but they're not going to know what to do and the three people
[1:29:52] that are trained would be there for 72 hours, you know, trying to keep everything going.
[1:30:00] So, I mean, I'm always appreciative and grateful for the taxpayers and the voters that they've given the money and resources that we need to make our castle and emergency management structure robust, because we are the only town in Rutland County that has what we have.
[1:30:19] We have, we have a, we have a conics, full of equipment,
[1:30:24] cuts, blankets, pillows, hygiene kits,
[1:30:29] phone chargers, everything that you would need to stay in a shelter for 72 hours.
[1:30:37] And we've got a new EOC.
[1:30:40] We don't, nobody else is not one town around here.
[1:30:42] I think Mary Lee used that in on the training at the village school,
[1:30:46] were you down at and people were calling out towards saying how do you get that how do
[1:30:50] you do that like got to have a vision and go to the voters because they're the ones
[1:30:54] pan for it and so I am I'm always grateful and thankful for what we do out because it's
[1:31:01] it is way more than what other towns have just need now we just need the people to help
[1:31:08] staff it when it's needed most of the time I'd be half the town doesn't know that the
[1:31:14] is the mercy shelter and the town paid for a generator, a mercy backup generator to power the place.
[1:31:21] That's what I was going to say is we have a real problem with getting information out to the town
[1:31:25] to people. I don't know what the answer for that is I mean you got front porch farm and Facebook and
[1:31:30] all that but there's so many people that don't know anything at all that's going on with town or
[1:31:35] like when we're asking for volunteers and there's just so many people that don't get that information
[1:31:39] and I don't know what the answer is. Well we don't have a marketing person so the marketing person
[1:31:43] and ends up being me, and so, I talk to people all the time and they're like, hey, we're
[1:31:48] really thankful for your portfolio post, I'm like, that's like, I think I'm doing a terrible
[1:31:52] job because it needs to be more out there and it's just the capacity to do it.
[1:31:57] But I don't even know if you could put a million things on there and I don't even know if that
[1:32:01] would be the answer to getting it out to people because there's a lot of people that don't read
[1:32:05] from portfolio. You know what people do read is their tax bills. So when we put that mailer in
[1:32:12] and said $664,000 in back taxes, that stirred up a lot of people. So you know, people read it.
[1:32:20] So maybe that's maybe that's the thing to start.
[1:32:22] We start putting fillers into the quarterly sewer and tax bills.
[1:32:27] That's something worth trying.
[1:32:29] I'm willing to try that because we know that people read it.
[1:32:33] Yeah.
[1:32:36] I think you have to...
[1:32:39] I would go and I would cook, but I wouldn't be capable of lugging tables and stuff like that.
[1:32:47] So I think you have to get it out to people that there's something you can do, whether you're 45 or 85.
[1:32:58] And I think that's part of it right there because older people aren't going to say, well I'm going to go throw
[1:33:05] caught around and whatever.
[1:33:08] People want to eat, so we eat people to cook.
[1:33:12] I'll make apple pies and make plenty of last week.
[1:33:16] There you have something to add.
[1:33:18] You can come up to the podium, so that's my question.
[1:33:21] I just wondered that training, that was on a Tuesday, right?
[1:33:29] The night?
[1:33:29] The night?
[1:33:31] It was in the evening.
[1:33:33] Is there any way potentially that that could be on a weekend?
[1:33:38] You know, try something different to get people in,
[1:33:41] because week nights, especially this time of year,
[1:33:44] fall sports have started.
[1:33:47] So people are tied up with events.
[1:33:50] Yeah, I think that's thinking that's the kind of out-of-the-box, thinking that we need to do.
[1:33:56] Because my sense is talking to Lindsay, the lady that's running it, is that they will do whatever they need to help us.
[1:34:02] Because they said that if everybody, every town, had the same enthusiasm that Council on had, it would make it the region would be a better place.
[1:34:11] So I sat down with her afterwards. She's like, you tell me what you need and we'll certainly help you.
[1:34:16] And maybe list some of the skills that are required, you know, people may be thinking that this is something that requires advanced skills they don't have.
[1:34:25] And to list, you know, we need people to cook, to move tables.
[1:34:34] to make that yeah but to so people understood that without any previous training or college education
[1:34:45] that there are jobs that they would be qualified to do most of our unskilled because the red
[1:34:51] cross will bring in a lot of the skilled things like nurses and stuff like that but you
[1:34:55] have to have registration you have to have somebody monitoring the dorm area where there's
[1:34:59] sleeping. There's a whole host of things that you have. You don't need to have special skills
[1:35:05] for. You might need someone just to hold someone's hand. They talk about helping a guy that
[1:35:13] needed to get out of a wheelchair and help move him. So, I mean, it could be anything.
[1:35:24] I'm going to
[1:35:24] put this to the back burner a little bit until, as we talk later about jobs, it's getting some
[1:35:30] position spilled so I can just gain back some capacity to do stuff.
[1:35:36] Yeah. Before we move on, I want to thank you, Mike, for the effort you've put in the
[1:35:40] making this happen, because we both know that after you became down manager, we started moving
[1:35:45] forward with this, and I want to know that you're, I want you to know that your efforts are appreciated.
[1:35:50] I think I appreciate it. For sure. So definitely, it's one of those things that you don't think
[1:35:54] about it until you need it. And I'd rather, I'd rather have something in place and nothing in place.
[1:35:58] So several decades in the fire service, I can appreciate when you meet people that are having
[1:36:04] the worst 20 minutes of their life and you need to do whatever you can to help make it better.
[1:36:10] Sometimes that's just a place to go.
[1:36:12] I think it's safe to say too that we've been seeing a lot more weird or weather with the flooding
[1:36:16] and the windstorms and all that stuff given the past handful years or 10 years.
[1:36:21] We're in aging population in Kasselland.
[1:36:24] And for those that, probably most of you know someone that when the power goes out, they don't
[1:36:29] go run to a shelter, they rely on sulfur lions and they gut it out, but it's going to be
[1:36:36] those that can't live in their place or they have no power and they have oxygen machine or
[1:36:42] something like that, that they're going to be forced to do something. Right? No heat.
[1:36:48] My wife's cell phone was
[1:36:49] and she had no power or would be in trouble.
[1:36:53] Let's move on to...
[1:36:55] I was sick, you'd be in trouble.
[1:36:56] Let's move on, do we need to discuss anything about...
[1:37:00] I don't even know how to...
[1:37:02] I'd like to volunteer.
[1:37:04] I don't know.
[1:37:05] I didn't ever see anything on it.
[1:37:07] You guys have inspired me that tonight to come up with a way to communicate better with the public.
[1:37:13] And I think that one thing I'll work on with the Red Cross is coming up with a good flyer
[1:37:17] that they can give some information and I can take it and add the town's specific stuff
[1:37:24] and get the word out there.
[1:37:32] All right. Yeah, that's a great idea. I mean, we should also bring something to the actualers, bring something to legion members, not just here, here's a building, maybe some of the members who set up. We know you like sleeping on cars.
[1:37:53] Do, I love it.
[1:37:55] Do it for you.
[1:37:56] My favorite.
[1:37:58] All right.
[1:37:59] So, yeah, this is energizing.
[1:38:01] I'd like it when there's some synergy or collaboration with this, because one person certainly
[1:38:07] cannot do it all.
[1:38:08] And if it just fails when you try to do it all yourself.
[1:38:12] So, it'd be nice to have some energy and enthusiasm helping.
[1:38:21] I'll keep you in mind.
[1:38:22] Yeah.
[1:38:23] Please.
[1:38:24] We need you to volunteer.
[1:38:26] I know.
[1:38:27] When was in a service?
[1:38:28] Hold on.
[1:38:28] Yeah.
[1:38:30] I know.
[1:38:30] I remember that.
[1:38:33] We need drivers.
[1:38:34] They need volunteers.
[1:38:35] You like, y'all drive.
[1:38:36] And then they say it's pretty.
[1:38:36] There's a wheelbarrow.
[1:38:37] And you have to drive a wheelbarrow around.
[1:38:39] You can up.
[1:38:39] Rocks or something.
[1:38:40] It's been my experience when it's been my experience when, you know, the
[1:38:44] Brown stuff hits the fan that a lot of people are willing to help.
[1:38:47] They just don't know what to do.
[1:38:51] We're going to move on.
[1:38:51] Do we need to discuss the UDR regulation proposed
[1:38:54] changes tonight. I hope you're still in the planning commissions.
[1:38:58] I think that was the public, just the public comment. Mr. Chairman that people that are
[1:39:03] out there following this that you guys have turned it back over to the planning commission
[1:39:08] they're meeting tomorrow night. So if somebody's interested, their agenda has it on there.
[1:39:13] Yeah. And say it's on their agenda. Particularly the town plan and the UDR for the mining
[1:39:22] of earth minerals and hotels I think they had talked about yes yeah so I mean so if
[1:39:29] people out there want to participate or have their voice heard and there's a
[1:39:35] meeting tomorrow 9-630 right in this room
[1:39:42] all right so we're going to move on to job
[1:39:45] vacancies and job descriptions I heard a lot of room around you know when I go
[1:39:52] around town. I was just so many vacancies and what's vacant.
[1:40:01] So, excuse me, so right now that
[1:40:03] you got the board already knows it, but we're working on filling the town clerk slash
[1:40:10] treasure position. We had one interview and there's another one, but I found out today
[1:40:17] or no Saturday, that the person might not be a castle in the resident.
[1:40:24] They live on the Hubbard-in side of...
[1:40:28] I have to verify that.
[1:40:31] Because the resident may just says,
[1:40:34] Bommazine the Mont.
[1:40:36] So I took it at face value.
[1:40:38] That's a false box.
[1:40:40] Or it's Bommazine, because they live on light and your lake Bommazine
[1:40:43] out of the 30 corridor.
[1:40:47] So I have to verify that.
[1:40:48] the legendary point is over to. Yeah. And that's right where they live. Yeah. So,
[1:40:55] where that general vicinity. So, that the town clerk slash treasurer hybrid position.
[1:41:03] I said town court treasurer. Yes. And this is currently advertised. Yes, but it was advertised as a
[1:41:18] one treasure. There was some cross outs on there. I just wanted to make sure that before
[1:41:26] we go forward with any more interviews because I provided this to that one person that
[1:41:30] we interviewed, that I can get it back out there as a full time job 40 hour a week position
[1:41:38] and just want to make sure the board was good with it because of the weight, the wage.
[1:41:44] I think it is as a full-time position, you might get more interest.
[1:41:50] So far, the interest has been about full-time and that's the one that is, I don't
[1:42:00] think that has been the number one priority in the past, but the ones lately are,
[1:42:12] and
[1:42:12] they're looking for benefits.
[1:42:14] So it's just a strange dynamic how it's changed over the past five or six years, but
[1:42:21] that were before, people were money, money, it was really money oriented, and now it's
[1:42:28] benefits oriented.
[1:42:29] So I don't know what's going on in the general public, as far as health insurance and
[1:42:33] all that, but it seems to be a motivating factor right now.
[1:42:36] Affordable health insurance is a big deal. You are for those of us who have been self-employed
[1:42:44] that matters. Absolutely. You are going to get agreed with that.
[1:42:49] Yeah, and I apologize because I haven't been in that position, so I don't understand.
[1:42:54] I guess I don't understand, grab the gravity of it all. But obviously people applying do.
[1:43:02] And I think that when I first got on the board I think that we had kind of tried to make a decision to get away from hiring full-time to go to part-time to try to save the town money on the insurance side of things.
[1:43:15] And I think what I have to point out just doesn't work.
[1:43:17] We are seeing a lot of turnaround on the part-time help and it's not for anything to do with the town but it's just like you're saying people are looking for the insurance and things are changing.
[1:43:27] And we need these positions, both.
[1:43:30] It is critical.
[1:43:31] These are critical functions within the town.
[1:43:36] And the folks that we had hired,
[1:43:38] the two people that are getting done,
[1:43:41] the treasurer and the town clerk,
[1:43:44] they're on the far end of the workforce time,
[1:43:48] you know, towards retirement.
[1:43:50] And that's the people applying for jobs that are 60 plus years old.
[1:43:54] I think if you're hiring people under 30 they're really focused on what the hourly wages and they don't care about insurance
[1:44:03] They don't have time life experience to care about it. Yeah, but when you get people over 30
[1:44:08] They often have been in that situation where they're they had no health insurance or it was minimal had high deductibles
[1:44:15] And they had bad experiences, so now it's becoming really important. So jobs like this
[1:44:21] that
[1:44:22] You're looking for someone that has life experience, they're not 21 years old, applying for this job, becomes really important.
[1:44:31] And I think there's, depending on what demographic you're talking to, if you're talking to the under 30s or the over 30s,
[1:44:39] it's definitely the landscape has changed on what people, what they're looking for, and I just said, people time off.
[1:44:46] because it's not only offers a week off the first year and that's I've had many people say
[1:44:51] I get through weeks now and I can't give that up and they're willing to walk away from a job
[1:44:57] because they have children and they have things that go on
[1:45:00] And then they can't take a week. They can't accept a week. So, I mean, everybody has their own motivations for this, but it just seems lately that insurance has been the big one.
[1:45:11] Well, I'm grateful one, I'm comfortable with you presenting this, this job description to a candidate as amended.
[1:45:17] As I'm on it.
[1:45:20] So there's no reason why you can't pursue a town clerk and treasurer in my opinion.
[1:45:25] You rest a little more degree?
[1:45:27] I absolutely agree.
[1:45:28] I like to tell both of us.
[1:45:30] Yeah, I'd like to see this get out in this form everywhere you can.
[1:45:35] I know social media from a porch forum.
[1:45:38] VLCT has their classifieds.
[1:45:41] If you, if I'd encourage the,
[1:45:43] uh, select order to go to the VLCT website,
[1:45:46] go to their classifies and just see how many jobs are out there right now within municipalities
[1:45:50] and what they're paying them.
[1:45:52] There's everything in there from the same exact thing, town clerk slash treasurer, zoning
[1:45:57] administrators slash something.
[1:46:00] These jobs are all hybrids now, they're not like one job and everything's out there.
[1:46:08] Town managers, police chiefs, everything.
[1:46:10] The migration is away from three part time jobs, the one full time job seems to be.
[1:46:15] I mean, we survive on part-time jobs on things like the highway department.
[1:46:22] Those are the ones, those are the guys out there mulling and doing that stuff.
[1:46:25] So it does work out usually to our benefit, but when you're talking a critical position
[1:46:29] like this, it just hasn't worked out.
[1:46:32] And I apologize to the board because I came to you with an idea of like, hey, let's do
[1:46:36] three part-timers rather than one full timer and we'll have coverage when someone's on vacation
[1:46:41] or goes away, but two of them just resigned.
[1:46:45] Yeah, I mean, it was a great idea and it was well worth trying, and that's how you learn
[1:46:50] whether it works or not.
[1:46:51] So it's not great.
[1:46:52] You can't fall in love with an idea if it's not working, you just keep trying.
[1:46:55] So we've already authorized you to advertise for those hybrid, hybrid zoning administrator
[1:47:01] and health officers, right?
[1:47:03] Yeah, there was a change that, because member of COVID enforcement officer was in there.
[1:47:08] Yeah, so I didn't put it specifically in there because coding force and all falls also under zoning
[1:47:13] So even you start adding
[1:47:15] Too many descriptions to it. It might discourage some people from applying
[1:47:21] But what what does fall under that is the e911 coordinator?
[1:47:26] And I looked at other job. I have some here if you want to look at them other towns for zoning
[1:47:31] They're the they're the e911 coordinator and I say wow
[1:47:34] What? Why did I think of that before? Because when people get their building permits and they're putting a house in they need their
[1:47:43] 911 address for that new residence. So why?
[1:47:46] Who better than do that in a zoning administrator while they're doing it rather than the zoning administrator goes up to the
[1:47:52] To the front office and says here this person needs a 911 address and we're just shuffling paper back and forth.
[1:47:57] And to the extent one office, you know, go with the partial file, it'll be done souped
[1:48:03] in us.
[1:48:04] John somebody can be much more efficient and all around.
[1:48:07] And you're only talking a few hours a year, right?
[1:48:09] Yeah, it's not, but it is critical when they don't get their 911 address and they're screaming
[1:48:15] because they can't get mail or deliveries or they can't get emergency services when they
[1:48:20] need it.
[1:48:21] That's the other one is, you know, he brought that to me and goes, and don't forget,
[1:48:24] emergency services.
[1:48:25] Well, I've had to explain to few people how that 911 system works and it's a major help.
[1:48:32] Those, you understand how it works and just to know that it's two miles down the road on the right and you hit down the road.
[1:48:42] So, but that was the change so that it took out, and I did the 911 stuff in there.
[1:48:48] It kind of just took the code enforcement as a separate item because it's going to be happened anyway.
[1:48:53] the administrative officer by our U.E.R. and by states statute enforces the codes and the health officer and the police.
[1:49:01] So the you need us to read and review this and approve it the next meeting the job description or is that just an internal document.
[1:49:10] So that was for because it says that the select board
[1:49:14] I approve that, because you appoint those people, so it's not been, it has not been a hiring process, it was an appointment made by the select board.
[1:49:29] So, I think in fairness and transparency to this is that you look at it, you're agree with it, you approve the job description and then I go out and asserts for people.
[1:49:43] I make a motion when we approve the job description as presented for Town Clerk and Treasury.
[1:49:49] Type-up.
[1:49:51] All in favor?
[1:49:52] Aye.
[1:49:53] There's one.
[1:49:54] All right.
[1:49:54] So we got the Town Clerk, that one.
[1:49:58] And then we saw the accountant position.
[1:50:02] We've a conditional offer was made to Abby Cohen, who is our current treasure, who
[1:50:09] is going to leave because she's looking for full time employment.
[1:50:11] So, we did interview Abby and that was the recommendation of the committee, the interview committee.
[1:50:21] It's the higher her.
[1:50:22] So, I offered her a conditional offer and she said send me the conditional offer and she'll review it and let me know.
[1:50:31] She wants it but she unfairness should read what she wants it.
[1:50:35] What do you want to make?
[1:50:36] We might have been out at the bottom, so she is not accepted the offer yet.
[1:50:40] Correct.
[1:50:41] Especially receiving the offer.
[1:50:43] He might email yes.
[1:50:44] Okay.
[1:50:47] A little more to follow.
[1:50:48] She's been on vacation.
[1:50:50] She's out of the country.
[1:50:51] So what actions this board can this board do tonight to help you move forward other than what
[1:50:57] we just did with the council?
[1:50:58] The only other thing that's out there is the replacement of the administrative
[1:51:05] assistant to a new title. What about the zoning administrator's
[1:51:12] health officer? That's one of these, you guys are slow down. I thought we just did
[1:51:16] this all around town court. I thought after that we talked about zoning and thought
[1:51:20] you guys just didn't vote on it. Did somebody make a motion on it? No, I'm in a
[1:51:27] different planet because I thought you would made the motion for that one.
[1:51:34] No, Mark
[1:51:35] So yeah, I'm somewhere I'm in there, somewhere I'm in there.
[1:51:38] I'll make a motion that we approve this for the hybrid zoning administrator and health officer.
[1:51:50] Second.
[1:51:56] I mean, if the board wants to take some time to review that one, I think really what it comes down to is on that particular one is the wage.
[1:52:05] I'm concerned that the wage is going to be low and doesn't attract a person.
[1:52:11] That's my concern.
[1:52:12] So if the board has a concern like that, maybe that's something to discuss and I can
[1:52:20] do something different.
[1:52:21] I think that number that's in there is $28 to $30 per hour and I looked at other towns and
[1:52:28] they were advertising.
[1:52:30] Under zoning out, nearer in that $28 range. I would say, we've at where it is, and if we have to, hopefully we don't
[1:52:36] have to make adjustments for that. But that seems to be consistent with what I found on Vermont
[1:52:41] Lisa City. And it has great benefits. That's a good job. And that's it. I spent more and more
[1:52:48] time on today was health officer with the dead end of the dead dog and the dead cat. And
[1:52:54] And then the Winnock Road sewer thing, and I finally wrote back to her today and said here's
[1:53:02] what I believe to be true based on evidence presented and everything else is now between
[1:53:08] you and the state of Vermont.
[1:53:09] Well, we went through that, you and I went through that and investigated it in the Darryl
[1:53:15] State, Darryl violations, it was done in compliance with state regulations, so I don't see
[1:53:20] where we need to spend any more time on it.
[1:53:22] So I'm going to call the question on the Hyper-Zoning
[1:53:24] and Health Officer Job Description.
[1:53:27] All of error?
[1:53:28] Hi.
[1:53:32] The System Down Manager Job Description,
[1:53:35] the latest version we just received.
[1:53:39] So if we want to move that one, I'd like to look at a little bit more.
[1:53:43] My opinion in a way you guys can do what you're looking for.
[1:53:46] I think that the salary range might be a little low.
[1:53:53] That's even I talked about that. I agree. I think that that that one might be low
[1:53:59] We're paying
[1:54:00] We're paying the form in
[1:54:02] $72,000
[1:54:04] And we're in the zoning administrator who's going to make
[1:54:08] 58 to
[1:54:09] 62
[1:54:10] So is this if this is and can I can I elaborate on this? Yes
[1:54:16] so
[1:54:17] I leave here in a year and in the half and this is an opportunity to go away from
[1:54:23] the old administrative assistant, you know, I tried with the previous administrative assistants
[1:54:31] to try to get them to look at this in a larger sense and take on more responsibilities
[1:54:36] and compensating for that, but has fallen pretty much like not interested in that, but
[1:54:43] if I can groom somebody that under the assistant town manager title, and I'll share with
[1:54:51] if I haven't already by email, this does not give them statutory authorities.
[1:54:58] So if they can't just say, I have the same authority that the Taumander has under state statutes,
[1:55:03] or what the select board has given.
[1:55:06] So it's not to replace that.
[1:55:08] It's just that if you get a chance to read through this, you'll see that it's kind of,
[1:55:13] it's got its own pieces, and then it's got supporting role.
[1:55:16] And if we approach it now, then that sensor and that manner, as a year from now, is this person
[1:55:26] going to be able to be the next castle and town manager?
[1:55:31] If the board says, man, they're doing a really good job, they want to do it.
[1:55:34] You might not have to go on a search.
[1:55:36] You might have somebody right now that knows all the stuff, how we do business in Castleton,
[1:55:40] accepts all the stuff that we have, benefits and all that stuff, and you might have somebody
[1:55:44] that can fill a roll where you don't have to go on a search.
[1:55:49] It's just, some of the criteria would be,
[1:55:51] do you want them to be a castle in a resident?
[1:55:53] That might be, you know, something that you'd
[1:55:56] want to be able to make a requirement.
[1:55:58] And if you start training this person, they don't
[1:56:00] live in castle in right now.
[1:56:01] And they get into it and say, go, I really like this.
[1:56:04] And they're doing well.
[1:56:05] They might move the castle to take that job.
[1:56:08] It just, it's going to open up some doors
[1:56:09] that they don't think would be there otherwise.
[1:56:12] It's going to cost more.
[1:56:13] But not that much more, but it depends what you want to get out of this, because when I leave here, I mean, if I get a two or three or four week overlap with someone, that's not enough time.
[1:56:29] I didn't have an overlap with anybody.
[1:56:31] It took me over a year just to get my feet underneath me to understand all this stuff.
[1:56:34] And I'm still slipping and sliding on things because it's new or haven't done it before.
[1:56:40] So it's just, I think it, my opinion is if orchestrated well that this could be, that they could maybe move into the job or when I leave they've got a really good grasp of things and the new person has a continuity.
[1:57:00] they could assist in getting them in the guy sort of now. No, person. Guy or gal sort of down.
[1:57:08] You haven't really had a ball in chain. You can hook it to me, but I'll be caught.
[1:57:17] So we're all agreed that we're going to review the assistant town manager.
[1:57:22] Job description provide my feedback and have a final version to approve with the next meeting.
[1:57:27] Yeah. Okay. Yep. Roused about. So the roused about position is the one that was at the transfer
[1:57:35] station as the transfer station roused about.
[1:57:41] The union agreed to not fill that job and let us
[1:57:44] fill it with a two part time people that we have now. It's worked out well by by all accounts
[1:57:52] by from Heath and from the people that have worked there.
[1:57:58] It's not secret.
[1:57:59] It's Bill Harris and Frank Donovan.
[1:58:02] And so there's two part-time people and Heath as the full-time person.
[1:58:08] And I was up there Saturday visiting check-in on.
[1:58:12] And the place was clean.
[1:58:14] It's functioning well.
[1:58:15] And the good thing is that when Heath goes on five weeks of vacation a year
[1:58:22] or whatever it might be, we have two people that are trained to do that job right now, and I don't want to pull something from the highway crew.
[1:58:29] And they do it well for it.
[1:58:31] Yeah, it's like anything.
[1:58:34] Like I said, it took me over a year to figure out most things, and it took them a while to figure it out, but there are much better at it now.
[1:58:42] You know, every time I go up there now, I'm impressed with how good the three of those guys are doing that job.
[1:58:47] I'll tell you, heaps is the one that sits in the shack most of the time, but and Bill and Frank are out and about and helping people and picking up and they're doing a really good job.
[1:58:57] I mean the place looks neat, there's no garbage laying around, there's two refrigerant things rather than a hundred that need to be drained out.
[1:59:06] So things are much better up there. And so I approached the union and said,
[1:59:12] It's your full-time job, you know, that's when we come up with the route, the routes about position, and they are willing to
[1:59:20] change that transfer station routes about to a town routes about and keep the two-part timers up there.
[1:59:27] Because he doesn't want to lose them.
[1:59:29] Because they're just they do a wonderful job.
[1:59:31] And we have continuity.
[1:59:33] When he's on vacation, we still have two people there, and I don't have to go to Jeff Sandball.
[1:59:37] I need to pull somebody to work.
[1:59:38] as well as the union agreed to this now? So that was, I guess I should have started with that.
[1:59:43] So it's with the union rep, asked me rep. He is not responded back, but I thought the
[1:59:51] Evan last week and today and he has no issues with it as the union steward. It's getting the
[1:59:57] but ask me rep to buy off on that.
[2:00:00] So what do we need to do to get him to do that? Because he's had it for some weeks or at least at least.
[2:00:05] At least, no. This is me paying him again saying you're holding up hiring a feeling a union job.
[2:00:12] You know, that seems to be there. We get Evan to beat him up a little too.
[2:00:15] Evan said he's taught to him or called him and he hasn't even responded to that. That was that's it today.
[2:00:22] So I just got to pay him again.
[2:00:24] Yes, that's what he can do.
[2:00:25] He can be under union when Nick is being full-time.
[2:00:29] because they did a way with that union job that was at the transfer station and agreed that
[2:00:35] the of the townwide rouse about would be much more beneficial was that you heard of their
[2:00:40] agreement because why does this have to be a union job because because right now that union
[2:00:46] job that they agreed not to fill because of the part-timers they agreed not to fill it to fill
[2:00:51] this use this so if we didn't do that then they're going to say we might want to just fill
[2:00:56] that union job that they want to get rid of you.
[2:00:59] No, no, I'm just being the devil's advocate here for a second.
[2:01:02] So the only real stumbling block would be the hourly wage at this point.
[2:01:07] Yeah.
[2:01:07] Which this, yes, it's a difference.
[2:01:10] Then what the transfer station roused about this pay.
[2:01:14] Like $1.85.
[2:01:16] What our shop store is okay with?
[2:01:18] Yes.
[2:01:19] Yeah, our shop store is, as I said,
[2:01:22] I have no issues with this whatsoever.
[2:01:23] So let's,
[2:01:25] What I did ask, the union rep is that not just to look at the the verbiage in the job description,
[2:01:31] but the wage, because the wage scale that's in the union contract, doesn't have that position.
[2:01:37] They got added in there, and that's the hold-up.
[2:01:40] I think the language in it is what's stopping.
[2:01:43] I think the whole language is.
[2:01:46] Or a wage.
[2:01:48] I think it's in the town's best interest to move forward with this.
[2:01:50] Do what you got to do to make some noise so that we get to get the union to either approve this or provide its feedback as to what it's going to take to get approved.
[2:02:00] I'll make a honey badger don't give a shit thing to statement.
[2:02:04] Is that.
[2:02:06] Usually with unions, if they're going to change their pay scale in there, they're going to look at their other jobs in there and compare them and say,
[2:02:15] Oh, we probably have to adjust somebody else's and it's just typically how it works.
[2:02:21] Just maybe I'm maybe I'm being a pessimist, but that's what I've seen happen in the past.
[2:02:28] So maybe that's what they're he's working on is some counter proposal to this, but I just he's a communicate with me.
[2:02:36] And I think this job, when it's filled, will save the town a lot of money, like in the long run and I think just with all the stupid stuff that you got to pay somebody $200 to do this or $400 to do this, I mean this would be a good job for somebody and this will be good for the town.
[2:02:51] Yeah, we just had some locks changed through a contractor and it was $500 for the locks in the labor.
[2:02:58] I mean, just for example, for like, you talked about having to go pull the water pump and stuff out across the beach.
[2:03:03] That would be this guy's delivering.
[2:03:05] This person's position, and rather than have to pull the highway department off from what they should be doing.
[2:03:13] And if you look at this part of this money for the rouse, it comes out of the highway department.
[2:03:19] They'd be working doing some of that stuff that rouse about issue, not like cleaning bathrooms.
[2:03:24] And that's a, I've already made that clear that this is an a job for someone to do tasks that you don't want to do like clean bathrooms or sweep the floor.
[2:03:36] Well, this person will be reporting to you or your delegate anyway, so it should be able to control.
[2:03:42] I don't have a phone or department specifically, so I do have authority to say, no we're going to move them over here and, you know, I'm not going to be a tyrant, but.
[2:03:51] Yes, no I understand, my opinion and I think it's probably the consensus of this board is once you get approved from the Union, go ahead and advertise it.
[2:04:00] You can be all agree with that? Yeah, do we want to agree?
[2:04:02] Motion on.
[2:04:04] Do we need to make a motion?
[2:04:07] Well, here's a, for the town to approve the job description, I know that, because it's going to be, it's not bargain yet, so there's going to be a sidebar letter with the Union saying add this to the Union contract, here's the wage scale.
[2:04:19] So at least if the select board is approved, the job description, or pass that, or over that row, I would make a motion to approve the job description of the routes to go for the town of Castle.
[2:04:33] Second.
[2:04:35] Any discussion?
[2:04:36] All of it.
[2:04:38] All right.
[2:04:39] Thank you.
[2:04:40] Copy your lease for the office.
[2:04:42] I put that on here, and after I put it on there, I'm like, I don't know why I put it on there.
[2:04:47] So up, but I'll make you aware that our contract, why these are, there's a good timing.
[2:04:53] Our copier has been cost in us, given us fits in cost in us money, especially as sewer bills
[2:04:58] were due and Megan was threatened because the copier was down, but our contract runs out
[2:05:03] in September.
[2:05:04] And guess what?
[2:05:04] This thing started breaking down and having problems in September.
[2:05:07] So, they gave me three quotes to replace the copier at the police station and at the town
[2:05:16] office.
[2:05:18] And I went with the smiley, I think it's called.
[2:05:21] It was the good reputable place and they're cost per copy for color and black and white.
[2:05:28] We're the cheapest of all of them and they're local.
[2:05:32] So I'm like, we're moving forward, we're going to get to, because that thing is, it's old.
[2:05:38] It's already four or five years old.
[2:05:42] It was Melanie, when Melanie was here early on, this is when we got that thing.
[2:05:46] So it's, it's getting to the point where it's always breaking down,
[2:05:49] co-throwing codes and they have to come out.
[2:05:51] McGee office products comes out and they fix it and they finally said,
[2:05:55] you might want to think about replacing this.
[2:05:57] Well, low and behold, the contracts up in September anyway.
[2:06:00] And by the way, we're not going with McGee.
[2:06:04] So anyway, so I just want to let you know that.
[2:06:07] Okay, tax ill policy.
[2:06:10] Nothing besides, because Megan's out, I'm not sure if you guys knew that with her son
[2:06:16] being out, she's been embossed in with him, so she's been out for two weeks.
[2:06:20] So she didn't have a chance to get all the properties put together in a list for tax ill,
[2:06:25] but she will have that for the next meeting.
[2:06:27] But to review the, I'd ask the board review the tax sale policy before the next meeting so that when the list comes before you, you understand, I guess the criteria, because what's going to be on the list is the ones that are eligible for sewer and property tax.
[2:06:45] But after that last meeting, met between Megan myself and the town clerk's office, we did get some visits from people saying, why is this stuff not up for tax sale?
[2:06:56] And without me going into long explanations about that we don't want people to lose their homes
[2:07:01] and but we also, you know, people that do pay their taxes not fair to them, go on to that
[2:07:06] whole spiel.
[2:07:07] We just said, more to follow, it's like we're just going to be looking at the list once it's
[2:07:10] published.
[2:07:12] But I also asked Megan to look at finding another attorney so we have two attorneys because
[2:07:19] the one that we have now won't do more than 12, because this is a lot of time and research
[2:07:24] on it. So we might have to go with two attorneys if we got 25 properties. And the board decides.
[2:07:30] As they want to put all 25 properties that are eligible up for taxo.
[2:07:34] Because I don't know how you're not going to do, you're not put all of them up there when everybody's eligible by the policy.
[2:07:41] I think if you start picking sand, well, that one's only 500, really, but that's what the policy says.
[2:07:47] Because the same person will come in and say, I have a tree on my property and I want the town to take it down.
[2:07:52] You took it down for Mary Jo over the next door.
[2:07:57] I don't know.
[2:07:58] I don't know.
[2:07:59] I don't know.
[2:07:59] Unless you have justification of why you would not put somebody else.
[2:08:02] Like if someone said I'll do a payment plan, that's in the tax policy, but it has to
[2:08:08] be an amount that they don't get 10 years to pay it back.
[2:08:13] That seems to be the downside for some is when we say, no, we can't go five years.
[2:08:18] We can go 18 months and you divide that into what they owe and that's $2,000 a month.
[2:08:28] I didn't put you in that position.
[2:08:31] What the thing of it is,
[2:08:35] more is accumulating, too.
[2:08:39] So if they're paying $500 a month on backpacks, backpacks, are they paying anything on current taxes?
[2:08:49] For the most part, what happens now, unless they want, they say they want different, something
[2:08:54] different, there are any money they pay in addition to their taxes or towards your taxes
[2:08:59] go through their delinquencies.
[2:09:01] So if they come in and pay, and they think that their pay and towards their current taxes,
[2:09:06] our policy says it goes to the oldest first, and if they don't know that, and I've had
[2:09:11] Megan told her, you need to tell people that, so that they don't think that they've
[2:09:16] paying their current taxes, and they're not.
[2:09:20] But our policy says, if they want to say, I want it to go toward my current taxes, not
[2:09:26] my back taxes, they can do that.
[2:09:28] But then they also know that their properties becomes eligible.
[2:09:32] If it meets the criteria, they're eligible for taxes.
[2:09:36] So it's a double it's or you pay towards your delinquencies, and then you're behind on
[2:09:41] current taxes eventually you're going to get that to that one-year period where you meet if you meet that criteria
[2:09:48] Because that's the one back one year. That's a new state policy. And what is the interest on it?
[2:09:54] It's a high like eight point something percent
[2:09:57] So it makes sense that people would want to pay the oldest stuff first
[2:10:00] But some people come in and they're adamant like I can pay towards it. Okay,
[2:10:08] but did you say your current taxes but still go up for tax
[2:10:12] Because the, the, the, the, our readers, the, um, the
[2:10:16] delinquencies have to be in effect for one year.
[2:10:20] That's, that was a change to the state, uh, statutes.
[2:10:23] So, uh, we change the tax ill policy to be able to accommodate that.
[2:10:29] So, how, like, I know we've talked about not wanting to kick people out of their homes
[2:10:34] and all that and trying to work with them with the payment plan that how often do the people
[2:10:37] get on a payment plan and actually stick with it versus how often do people start out and then
[2:10:43] just Peter off of them. I said we're probably three to four out of ten. Stick with it.
[2:10:51] To a less than 50%.
[2:10:55] I'm going to have to read the policy because I'm not familiar with it.
[2:10:59] So, it was an action item for all of us. How are you doing getting us our policy books?
[2:11:05] Jenny was into that and since she's left it's stagnant right now, but she was she was she made some headway on it
[2:11:12] That's online ready. You can find it on the
[2:11:15] So probably the best way to find it is just to go in the search bar up top a little
[2:11:19] Magifying glass and type in tax policy and it'll bring it to it
[2:11:22] Best way to find it is just having a wife pulled up on the computer formula. You're really good. You're sick of me
[2:11:29] That's what I do it call you
[2:11:32] So, but yeah, so that's that would be for next meeting to get the current list to the board.
[2:11:39] Because she also needed one of the reasons why she told me that she had to apply interest.
[2:11:44] And so when you do she had she needed to have current numbers because it might put somebody to the point where they are now
[2:11:51] Delanquent that it's been a year and they meet the criteria. So she had to figure all the penalties interested in and then give me the list.
[2:11:59] So, should be back at the end of this week, so before next meeting, I'll have it for your package.
[2:12:06] Well, we're going to move on to Town Forest.
[2:12:09] Scott's not here, so I really don't have the end to share with you.
[2:12:13] Right, then move on to Town Wide beautification.
[2:12:16] Yes, that I do have.
[2:12:18] Do you have a whole job all the way around?
[2:12:20] Yeah, it's amazing.
[2:12:22] I only give congratulations to all the people that have worked on that.
[2:12:26] It's been really pleasant.
[2:12:29] Pleasant to see the changes to meet improvements and they're and they're more than willing to help
[2:12:34] It's sometimes it's like, you know slow down speed racer. We like, you know
[2:12:39] We ordered plants. We ordered trubs. We ordered trees
[2:12:42] They started working on the one on the east side. They the stone, but they ran into some problems with the the stone was crumbling
[2:12:48] It wasn't a good stone say to go back and see if they get some more, but they started it
[2:12:54] That day I told you they I was going on a
[2:12:58] So I drove out there just to see it and I got out there and like, no, we're not there yet.
[2:13:04] They're building, they're still building the stone vet around it.
[2:13:09] But they did, they did work on the one in front of the highway garage.
[2:13:15] And I talked to them about the one at the transfer station, helped clean in that up.
[2:13:20] But they've got the library, or not the library, the post office, the beach, the town office, the fire station.
[2:13:30] Well, the parking ride, and now the welcome sign on the East Ended Town on 4A and the
[2:13:38] one down at Hydeville next to McCleur's.
[2:13:42] They started clearing that out around it, and the town crew helped a lot.
[2:13:48] They've done some plantings, they've done some digging, and so it's been a collaborative
[2:13:51] effort.
[2:13:52] And really appreciative, I did get some gift cards for them to share and they can, as a thank you to them, and then I gave them some purchase orders so they could get some stuff from Gilmore's.
[2:14:07] It's been a really pleasant experience and I think, you know, next year when it really starts everything spilled out, you know, people will start commenting.
[2:14:15] Please, please pass on our gratitude and thanks.
[2:14:19] There will.
[2:14:20] Mary, you see, you got your hand up.
[2:14:22] I noticed it a moment ago.
[2:14:24] Yeah.
[2:14:24] I had a question going back to the town for us.
[2:14:28] If you recall the last lecture, we're meeting you.
[2:14:30] You asked me to put you on touch with the state force or mark the right chart.
[2:14:35] And I just wanted to confirm that you got that email.
[2:14:37] I did get that from you.
[2:14:39] I haven't taken any action on it yet, but I did get it.
[2:14:42] Okay.
[2:14:42] You see, no Scott does that.
[2:14:47] Okay, let's move on.
[2:14:51] Not anything on the Merff for the Rex Center or Parks?
[2:14:55] No.
[2:14:56] Just now that the issue came up with the building and the...
[2:15:00] Move, what I need to confirm with that program that fund is, is roof-fixing roof replacement part of that grant, or an SIG grant. The loan fund, because that's a loan, and the board would have to agree to the repayment.
[2:15:23] depending it's up to $250,000 and over a 10-year period.
[2:15:28] It says $25,000 a year, it's no interest, no administrative fees, so it's free money,
[2:15:34] this far as like no interest on it.
[2:15:37] But the board would have to approve that because you'd have to put in my opinion, you'd
[2:15:42] have to put the $25,000 to repay the loan in the CVS Rec Center building budget, because
[2:15:52] you want to place it, because the buildings all have their own accounts.
[2:15:58] So that would raise the building, if you recall on the budget worksheet, government buildings
[2:16:05] is three items, it's the PSV, the town office, and the rex in it.
[2:16:13] So when the voters vote on it, they're approving all of it, but when we budget it out, it's
[2:16:20] broken up into those three different places.
[2:16:24] So you'd be adding, in this case, if you bore $250,000 to get all this work done in this
[2:16:30] building, you'd be putting $25,000 additional in the budget.
[2:16:36] Now, there's a plus to this, I mean, you know, maybe it's not a plus.
[2:16:41] We haven't been spending all the money on the fuel oil.
[2:16:43] Now, this year, we get close with the heating oil prices the way they are, but in the
[2:16:49] we haven't spent all that so there is some money there that would be not used and so the
[2:16:56] argument could be well that's good that the voters don't need so much in the budget but we
[2:17:00] also know that this building has a bunch of repairs that are needed so it that's as a
[2:17:05] whole true it helps you that we may not use as much fuel oil but we still need to replace
[2:17:09] other things the leak I did that's on this yeah it's on here so I can wait to it but
[2:17:17] As far as the Murph goes, I'll follow up with it because the VLCT is not an industry in
[2:17:25] this anymore.
[2:17:26] They're not helping us.
[2:17:27] They said, no, if you want, you got to go through the Vermont's BGS and we're going to build
[2:17:35] these general services.
[2:17:36] So that's how I have to deal with now to find out what's eligible.
[2:17:42] Because the gym lights are a big thing and working through efficiency Vermont to try to get
[2:17:47] some subsidy to replace the gym lights,
[2:17:51] because the majority of our $14,000 a year
[2:17:54] electrical bill comes from those lights.
[2:17:58] Oh, these lights are different.
[2:18:00] They look the gym lights, aren't they?
[2:18:01] Wait, wait, yeah.
[2:18:04] Yeah, V9, so if we could fix a roof
[2:18:06] and replace those lights,
[2:18:07] because we had the lights at one point,
[2:18:10] we had the lights and the heating system components,
[2:18:13] the heat exchangers, the blowers rebuilt,
[2:18:16] And if they would, if they could be done on that money, it wouldn't have to be, we wouldn't have
[2:18:25] to use it out of the building budget because we've got plenty to, we're spending that
[2:18:30] on anyway.
[2:18:32] So the, the, the needs are greater than the budget at this point with this building.
[2:18:38] Let's
[2:18:42] talk about the update on the Vermont Sports Medicine and then we'll move back to the roof.
[2:18:49] I did meet with a rep from Vermont Sports Medicine today.
[2:18:52] I let him know about the leak and the roof and Paul McCleur.
[2:18:56] So they believe that they have found the leak area, but there has to be some roof sheeding.
[2:19:04] That needs to be screwed down, it's kind of peeling up.
[2:19:07] And they can patch it.
[2:19:08] I did let them the Vermont Sports Medicine guy know and he looked at me like what we plan on being in here
[2:19:15] I'm on October and now you're telling me you got a leak in the roof you got a fix
[2:19:19] And so I told them we're work actively working on it
[2:19:23] And the clearer construction is spoke to two different vendors or roofers to see if they would have the capacity to do it
[2:19:32] I mean I can do it I can I already reached out to Seth Dirkie
[2:19:36] and I reached out to Jake Helm from premier. He never ate it called me back, but Seth did.
[2:19:42] But I didn't, I didn't get my answer because I wanted to find out what was wrong first. I'm asking
[2:19:47] to do something and I don't really, because the heat or the air change around the roof,
[2:19:52] the air handler, that was always, I was told, oh my God, it's sinking in. It's, and when they
[2:19:57] looked at it, they're like, it's, it's not sinking in. There's, there's probably some,
[2:20:03] right going on around some of the sheeding on it, but it's not going to collapse through
[2:20:07] the ceiling, but does these work? What I recommended and I taught when I taught the Paul was
[2:20:14] a set of stripping this roof off is to put metal over the top of it.
[2:20:20] Fixed it, yet make sure everything is, it's, it's, you know, dried in and then fix it in,
[2:20:29] put metal over the top of it.
[2:20:31] and they have different applications now for standing seam or corrugated or whatever.
[2:20:38] I think probably on this roof, like the other one would be standing seam on a margin,
[2:20:42] that's what they're going to recommend.
[2:20:45] But I just want, I guess, want some of the
[2:20:47] assess that what can be done and the cost associated with it and the timeline. Because if they
[2:20:54] fix the patch and the patch doesn't hold and it's leaking in the middle of the winter,
[2:20:59] when we have thoughts and we're going to big problems and we have, we're, we're a landlord now.
[2:21:04] I'm going to come to this responsibility.
[2:21:06] I'm a big fan of getting done right once.
[2:21:09] So, more to follow but that, that was, I let them know, McLean still hasn't put the, the dormer
[2:21:16] over that, their main entrance story yet.
[2:21:19] We have the line striping that the town is going to do.
[2:21:22] I've met with Evan and Jeff today and they're going to practice down the park and ride the,
[2:21:27] the spray gun to make sure that we don't have a lot of overspray, because they did have overspray.
[2:21:36] So I've let them know everything that's gone on here. There's some lights that need to
[2:21:40] get fixed, some balance or order for that. We should be ready to let them move in on the first.
[2:21:48] If the leak can be fixed and then the roof can be worked on over the next few weeks after that.
[2:21:56] At least they can move in, because they don't want to put carpet down and have the water come down to the roof on the new carpet.
[2:22:04] I agree with that.
[2:22:06] So, they asked me a couple of other things about keys.
[2:22:10] I told them they want seven keys.
[2:22:11] I said no problem.
[2:22:12] I can do that.
[2:22:13] And then there's that little room on the corner that we have tables in.
[2:22:16] They said, can we use that for some temporary storage?
[2:22:19] And I'm like, if you help move all the stuff out of it.
[2:22:24] to one of these other rooms for temporary, you know, I let them use it to, they got some stuff in the basement down there that they need to.
[2:22:31] Get out of there right now. By say, if it's temporary, like 30 days, temporary. So that's it for the building.
[2:22:42] So the room here, hopefully, you'll be getting feedback from the McCourt McLears this week.
[2:22:49] They reached out to those two contractors, one local, one in Burlington,
[2:22:55] just to see what they had to say, and somebody they wanted to come down, look at it.
[2:22:58] given us a bid without looking at it makes no sense.
[2:23:02] I agree with that.
[2:23:09] Okay, manager's report. I think we've pretty well covered.
[2:23:12] Yeah, I think we have more information.
[2:23:14] Did this point?
[2:23:19] No, not to we have more info.
[2:23:30] All right.
[2:23:31] Herge's orders.
[2:23:36] I would make a motion to approve purchase order number zero five six one seven four two innovative solutions for the sum of
[2:23:45] $3,454.37 in that is for the 2,626 gallons of calcium for a second.
[2:23:58] All in favor?
[2:23:59] All right.
[2:24:02] We'll make a motion to approve.
[2:24:03] purchase order number is zero five six one eight three two brown sporey slate for the
[2:24:08] sum of eight thousand three hundred and seventy two dollars and that is for black
[2:24:13] three eight minus four winter store.
[2:24:15] Second.
[2:24:18] All of ever?
[2:24:19] Hi.
[2:24:19] Hi.
[2:24:23] Make a motion to approve purchase order number zero five six three one two two M&T bank credit card
[2:24:29] for the sum of two thousand nine hundred sixty one dollars and ninety cents and that is for
[2:24:34] trees and shrubs for our miscellaneous departments and tellemands.
[2:24:39] Second.
[2:24:41] All in favour?
[2:24:42] Hi.
[2:24:45] Make a motion to approve portrait order number 056317 to Fuston O'Neill for the sum of $6333 and one
[2:24:53] cent and that is for the downtown pedestrian improvement project.
[2:24:57] Second.
[2:25:00] All in favour?
[2:25:01] All in favour?
[2:25:01] All in favour?
[2:25:02] Can I give you an update on that?
[2:25:09] They started, they're starting this week to do their survey through the fuss on the
[2:25:16] meal.
[2:25:17] So that's going to start, because that's all part of that historical preservation stuff.
[2:25:26] So that's starting.
[2:25:34] All right.
[2:25:36] All right.
[2:25:38] All right.
[2:25:38] All right.
[2:25:40] or number zero five six three two zero two in the floor construction for the
[2:25:44] eighty bathrooms in the rex center for the sum of twenty four thousand three
[2:25:52] hundred I do want to let the bathroom's right across our hall when you
[2:25:56] look at you open it up you think if it was if it was a stainless steel toilet
[2:26:00] you think you've been year in jail it's just a room with a toilet some hand
[2:26:05] rab rails, a sink, and I questioned the contractor why it cost 24,000 dollars for that.
[2:26:12] It was because of the water, hot water, I don't remember in the gym, they had to cut it off
[2:26:19] underneath it, it was leaking under the floor, so that was all turned off, they had to reroute
[2:26:24] all that water up into that bathroom at the top of the stairs, up through the walls,
[2:26:30] and it's all new.
[2:26:30] And so I talked to him. I talked to Paul and he said the money you had is in the copper and the labor and and it's all the stuff you don't see
[2:26:39] Yeah, so when you open the door I said that's twenty three thousand four hundred dollars and the answer is
[2:26:46] You you paid for the water to get water up to all those bathrooms hot water
[2:26:50] So when you look in that bathroom looks straight up over your head and all the way and you'll see all that new copper
[2:26:58] Thank you
[2:27:00] Do you like all that questions? No. All of favor?
[2:27:04] Hi.
[2:27:08] All right.
[2:27:08] I'll make a motion to approve per sort of number 0.5.
[2:27:10] $6,400 for the sum of $3,651
[2:27:14] to Cattele's Tax and Kama Incorporated
[2:27:19] for Patriot Classic Maintenance Support.
[2:27:22] Second. All in favor?
[2:27:24] Hi. All in favor?
[2:27:25] Hi.
[2:27:28] Would make a motion to approve per sort of number 0.5.
[2:27:32] 6, 4, 1, 3, 2, Alan and Shelley higher for the sum of $17,000, $15.43 for the Taxale Properties
[2:27:41] sold payments.
[2:27:43] It's $14,000 on my sheet, I got $17 on the thing here, pretty sure if you look back at
[2:27:52] $17 if you look at the goods in here on the cover sheet, I believe so, it wouldn't be the
[2:28:00] first time we got that.
[2:28:00] if you look at the town tax surplus letter 17,000, 15 dollars in cash, I think what you got was
[2:28:08] minus the interest fees in cost and I'll, the total number, yeah, I think it was an error.
[2:28:18] 17,000, 15 dollars and 43 cents. That's what's on Birch's order.
[2:28:26] Yep.
[2:28:27] you where Mr. Higher passed away and we're working now joking to me today and
[2:28:34] said I don't I think we made the check out to him so we are going to verify that
[2:28:40] and correct it so Shelley can catch the check
[2:28:51] ready for warrants I'm ready for
[2:28:54] warrants make a motion to approve warrant number zero nine one four r for some of seven
[2:28:59] $100 or $0.001 for the sum of $315 and $6.65 or
[2:29:06] numbers $0.001 for the sum of $58,365 and $0.001 for the sum of $164,664,6233
[2:29:20] and $0.001 for the sum of $0.001 for the sum of $0.001 for the sum of $0.001
[2:29:28] or at number 0903p for the sum of 24,962 cents and at number 090p for the sum of 23,828 dollars and 14 cents.
[2:29:45] Thank you.
[2:29:46] All in favour?
[2:29:47] Bye.
[2:29:47] Bye.
[2:30:24] That's a text that makes sense.
[2:30:28] I have to check that out.
[2:30:32] Hope you got another drive in the bus.
[2:30:43] You normally interact with us.
[2:32:18] We can. How you doing about?
[2:32:27] Did you hear us talk about badly about you?
[2:32:29] We got a seven day.
[2:32:31] That's what we're looking for.
[2:32:33] Yeah, it must be coming, going.
[2:32:38] Okay, select board comments. Bob, you can go first since we know you're here.
[2:32:52] I have not, to the board, I did talk to Mr. Brown today and he provided some more information.
[2:33:00] So I told him today I would reach out to a Hubbard and select board and try to set the meeting
[2:33:06] beforehand, but Mr. Brown has asked to come before the select board in executive session
[2:33:15] next month.
[2:33:18] So Bob and I, if the board still, the pleasure is that the town representatives meet
[2:33:25] with the public and select board regarding the transfer station portion of the discussion,
[2:33:33] and then Mr. Brown as the alternate representative to the Rutland County
[2:33:38] Solve Waste District he wants to talk to the board after he did it some research today.
[2:33:44] So the answer to the question to the board is no I did not, but I will.
[2:33:50] I promise I will.
[2:34:10] okay sorry about this I just it's just don't know that book I just didn't
[2:34:15] care for you before I left it like that the month must be on the other side
[2:34:18] you care for me that's gone I'm not on the other side
[2:34:21] so I'm relying on your name I'd like to total about it's better on the right
[2:34:27] purpose than maybe because they want
[2:34:32] okay
[2:34:35] I just on the building you're talking
[2:34:37] Well, if I'll be out there for any of these places related to the building and never for now.
[2:34:45] Can you read the book?
[2:34:47] Thank you, Rachel.
[2:34:48] The building.
[2:34:49] You'll be aware of the letter.
[2:35:01] Yep.
[2:35:02] We'll do.
[2:35:03] Yeah.
[2:35:04] Okay.
[2:35:08] So, while we're on the subject is the discussion with Mr. Brown going to put the town in the disadvantage
[2:35:14] if we do not do it in the executive session.
[2:35:17] According to what he shared with me today, yes.
[2:35:19] Okay, then I think we'll proceed with this plan to board a degree.
[2:35:25] That's you're all set, Bob?
[2:35:28] I don't know if that's any of you.
[2:35:30] Yes, I've got a question for Mike.
[2:35:34] I have all the members of the Select Board, the DRB, the Planning Commission,
[2:35:40] and whatever boards we have taking the ethics and open meeting law courses,
[2:35:47] like they're supposed to.
[2:35:48] No, we're still short, some new members that were on the planning commission, Tom Murphy's
[2:35:56] one of them, so I got, I got to get him,
[2:36:01] Joe Mark took it, I think back when he was already
[2:36:04] on there.
[2:36:04] Oh, I'll verify, but there are, no, I don't knit an Agnes, our new wastewater heat took it,
[2:36:09] so it's like we're down to like two z's, three z's, because Bob took it and then he couldn't
[2:36:13] print the certificate.
[2:36:16] Right, Bob?
[2:36:20] You sent me a message, you sent me a message saying you took it, but then you couldn't,
[2:36:24] He asked me if I got the certificate, but I didn't get it.
[2:36:28] So, that sounds like he is going to be taking it all.
[2:36:32] Because the same thing happened to Mike Schovener.
[2:36:35] He said, I took it, and I put your email address in there to send the certificate to him, and I didn't.
[2:36:39] I never got it.
[2:36:45] You want to do the roster murder?
[2:36:46] I'll do the roster murder.
[2:36:47] I'll do the roster.
[2:36:48] You want to update the roster, though?
[2:36:50] If you, if you have time, I do.
[2:36:54] All right.
[2:36:56] So, we're six months away from needing a new police chief and that six months will go by pretty quick and thinking that we should start that criteria search at least thinking about it.
[2:37:11] Having that conversation because it's six months will go by pretty quick.
[2:37:16] It was quite quick here, do you think?
[2:37:17] Well, we've been, how many months without the town managers administrative assistant then?
[2:37:23] long enough. And I, I taught to, um, Justin and, uh,
[2:37:30] There are people that are interested in that job. Some probably are better than others, I'd say. I mean, not in a negative way, but probably better suited for the job or better skilled.
[2:37:41] So there's interest out there. I don't think we're going to have any problems finding candidates to plot to apply for it. But it does take a while to get through the process.
[2:37:51] If we're going to follow a good process of sending them to the academy and doing the polygraph
[2:37:58] and the oral board, I mean, anything that we're going to follow takes time.
[2:38:02] Do we have a criterion job description?
[2:38:05] An old one.
[2:38:06] It needs to be updated.
[2:38:10] Yeah.
[2:38:10] I understand.
[2:38:11] We need to get started.
[2:38:12] I know Justin approached me in the day about it saying, please don't wait to the last minute
[2:38:17] to do this.
[2:38:17] So I said, well, it's just that job description is probably not available online, right?
[2:38:24] I doubt it.
[2:38:25] I can send it to the board members.
[2:38:26] You send it to the board members and we'll start with that.
[2:38:30] That's a good point, Mark.
[2:38:32] It took us several months to hire a police chief last time.
[2:38:36] We don't even have a job description.
[2:38:39] It's definitely old.
[2:38:40] And the way the laws have changed it.
[2:38:42] It's probably the one we used 13 years ago.
[2:38:45] The last time we hired a police chief.
[2:38:46] Right, Justin might be the person to help us up.
[2:38:49] Yeah, I was just going to say so we have Justin look at it and give us an updated what he believes would be an updated one that puts us where we need to be.
[2:38:58] Yeah, plus I can reach out to there's plenty of them out there on the VLCT classifieds that are new.
[2:39:06] I mean, I can't tell you the job descriptions are new, new advertisements, I'm assuming they got some some better job descriptions so we can we can find something good that good
[2:39:16] sued our needs.
[2:39:17] The last time we were looking for a police chief we had some outstanding candidates and some not so outstanding candidates.
[2:39:24] Usually how happens.
[2:39:25] So hopefully we'll get the same, you know.
[2:39:28] Some cops, some robbers.
[2:39:30] I don't think we're any robbers, but there were.
[2:39:33] So, some cops that were cheaply than others.
[2:39:39] We're more qualified to be a cheap.
[2:39:41] The worst thing that we could do is hire a cheap, and then have to send them to a
[2:39:44] boatload of training to get him up to speed on all the things he should be,
[2:39:48] you know, our cheap does now.
[2:39:51] These are death investigators.
[2:39:52] You know what I mean? There's a lot of things out there in that.
[2:39:55] Right.
[2:39:55] Well, there were some things that he had to, some skills he had to acquire
[2:39:58] that nobody knew he needed until, you know,
[2:40:01] But we fortunately chose wisely the last time and we have a pretty robust department
[2:40:06] We do and we want to make sure that we don't upset them around and the structure of that department
[2:40:15] You must've been talking to him because I heard the same pitch
[2:40:19] To the PD. Oh really
[2:40:23] Well, we've got to choose wisely. We know that. Okay. Anything else, Mark?
[2:40:31] No. Thank you for bringing that up, Rob.
[2:40:33] I got nothing. That was a cover tonight. I've got nothing.
[2:40:37] There was something, but I'm not sure if it's open or executive session, but the sidewalks.
[2:40:44] That agreement.
[2:40:46] Oh yeah.
[2:40:48] Talk, I mean, I'll just throw it out there. I don't think it's executive session, I'll think so.
[2:40:51] So the letter with the contractor from the Parsons Hills sidewalk project,
[2:40:57] The agreement came back and there's nothing mentioning fixing the broken panels
[2:41:04] Just the you know thing and mentioned it was the $6,000 for the
[2:41:07] seeding and all that
[2:41:09] There was an executive session so I don't have any notes from it, but I don't know recording
[2:41:14] But I looked back at my the notes. I had for that meeting and I didn't write anything down about the panels
[2:41:19] So when I did send that to the attorney, I didn't include the panels in there
[2:41:24] So I can't I can't blame it on that the attorney didn't include it
[2:41:27] It's fact that I'm one of my emails to heard don't have it in there.
[2:41:31] I looked at over a pretty close, there's one panel that has cracks, the one that has a manhole in it.
[2:41:39] And there's two panels on the sidewalk from Castle and Corners West that have manholes
[2:41:46] and they have identical cracks. There's six panels total lab cracks, but they have the man,
[2:41:50] everyone has a manhole, I think, as cracking it. I think six panels in this section
[2:41:55] Western corner? Yeah, between root 30 and uh, uh, to hide. Yeah, I only I went down it just looking for the ones with manholes and they're identical to the one that has a crack
[2:42:08] on the east side
[2:42:09] On the section that we're talking about right now. I think every one as a manhole eventually will get cracked. No doubt
[2:42:15] So though are there any other cracks in that
[2:42:19] New section down there from
[2:42:21] person's hill corner just to person health and I'm not that I saw just a one just a one with the
[2:42:26] The manhole covering it. So I guess I got back and forth on it Sunday
[2:42:31] I wrote it on my bicycle twice and I could not see any imperfections other than the one where the manhole is and it is also on an elevation change and
[2:42:41] between those two things like
[2:42:44] I don't care who does it over. I would imagine it's gonna crack again. It's not separated. It's just
[2:42:51] you know what you'd call a hairline frack on either side because you've only got
[2:42:58] 10 inches on one side and 12 on the other and the most of the requirements have changed ADA allow so three-quarter of entry 90-degree rise
[2:43:08] Going over like a threshold we're on a handicap ramp
[2:43:13] So I don't imagine a sidewalk criteria is much different maybe I'm completely wet here, but the crack is less
[2:43:19] of a height changed in the manhole cover itself.
[2:43:23] Yeah, well, there were three countries,
[2:43:25] which was, that was reason what to expect
[2:43:26] that you could roll a wheelchair over a three-quarter inch rise.
[2:43:31] In my opinion, we should put this behind us.
[2:43:33] Pay the bill. Pay the bill.
[2:43:36] And never hire them again.
[2:43:40] That's just me as not as a board member.
[2:43:42] As a...
[2:43:43] You're just...
[2:43:43] I should go sit over there and say it.
[2:43:45] There's a few people on that list from the last few years.
[2:43:49] Okay, so this is the power of that process and we'll do what we've got to do next time when you put it before us.
[2:43:58] You're correct that.
[2:44:02] I walk.
[2:44:02] What about the great big crack down here is the lead gen.
[2:44:07] That's not just a crack, but bigger and bigger.
[2:44:10] I had to look at that and they believe the engineer believe that that's heavy,
[2:44:15] some heavy vehicle drove over that because it actually pushed it down too.
[2:44:20] So it's not, it's not where the driveway, that's what, when they got brought to my attention
[2:44:28] and I went down there and looked, I saw no tire tracks that were going around it so I'm like,
[2:44:34] but they believe something heavy was on it because there's nothing else to shatter it to make
[2:44:39] that all break up on the surface. I went down to look at it right after I happened to, and it looked
[2:44:44] like an impact wound to me, you know, if something got dropped on it, I don't, you know,
[2:44:50] but I'm not a start slowing you down or anything, but that's just my point.
[2:44:52] I think it seems you saved fuel truck that drove over it.
[2:44:56] The only thing I saw when I went down the dock, dock, dock, dock.
[2:45:00] I went down right after we got the message about it or whatever, as you could see where whoever had moved the lawn had turned on the cycle. Out each time of the zero turn on. That's certainly shouldn't do it. So, if you wouldn't think that that would do it, but that was the only, you could see the tire tracks from the rubber zero turn divers. Well, there was no other marks on the lawn. I mean, if it was having up to break concrete, you would have thought it would have sunk into that dirt and there was grass wasn't folded over.
[2:45:31] I think that we should tear that sidewalk all completely up and put everything back to the way it was before we put the sidewalk in.
[2:45:38] Just in front of Tom Bata.
[2:45:40] I would be fine with that.
[2:45:42] Can we get a grant for that?
[2:45:44] So let's get serious and move on.
[2:45:47] If that gets worse, we'll have to replace it.
[2:45:51] It's cracked and settled.
[2:45:53] That's what they said. I asked Damonette to go down there with Jeff and look at it and that's what he said.
[2:46:00] Why did you buy sickle?
[2:46:01] What was the recommendation?
[2:46:03] I do all the time, I never noticed it.
[2:46:05] They said you'll see.
[2:46:08] If you hire someone that knows what they're doing, they can remove that panel without breaking the
[2:46:12] Joining panels and place it.
[2:46:15] But if you get somebody that doesn't know what they're doing, they're going to
[2:46:18] and we're going to crack the other panel of break of corn or something else on it.
[2:46:24] So, if it's settled, so it's got to be fixed.
[2:46:26] When you cut that up, it's going to be pretty obvious if the preparation underneath it is bad.
[2:46:33] Right?
[2:46:33] If there's water underneath it, that's why it broke.
[2:46:37] I mean, we're four years into that one or five years.
[2:46:39] Yeah, that's our, that's our, definitely.
[2:46:43] It's a one year warranty.
[2:46:43] So it's really not that bad.
[2:46:45] It's not that bad.
[2:46:47] It's a funny, funny fastener.
[2:46:48] Is that something our VLCT insurance would cover?
[2:46:53] We have a $1,000 deductible.
[2:46:57] I was going to cost $1,000 to fix.
[2:47:00] It is, but I'm not sure if it's worth getting any of that.
[2:47:03] I don't know.
[2:47:03] Our insurance claim for that.
[2:47:07] We put $45,000 in the sidewalk budget a year.
[2:47:11] And when all the sidewalks were done, it was like,
[2:47:13] for maintenance and stuff like that, but we've moved on and put more sidewalks on the schedule.
[2:47:18] So that $45,000 is for our match, not for, you have to do something about the amount we put in there.
[2:47:29] Let's take a look at it and we can discuss it at the next meeting if it's something that needs attention or not.
[2:47:36] Well, I know these attention, if you talk to some of the residents, they're like, yeah, it's going to get worse probably before it gets better.
[2:47:44] We can monitor it and it starts shifting and doing something and we can make a decision
[2:47:49] to guess.
[2:47:51] I chose not to pursue the person that did the cell street sidewalk project.
[2:47:58] Why not?
[2:48:00] You are pursuing the engineer, though.
[2:48:02] Yes.
[2:48:03] Good.
[2:48:03] One of them resigned.
[2:48:07] Today was his last day of work.
[2:48:10] I don't know what happened.
[2:48:12] I haven't got the dirty details yet.
[2:48:16] Yeah, you don't have to see that moving in on how it ends
[2:48:22] but there will be back next week
[2:48:24] end of the week or or beginning of next week to do the paving because it hasn't taken any time
[2:48:29] But I've already got three complaints
[2:48:31] Jeff got one I got to on the transition from the
[2:48:36] South Street up over the sidewalk under their driveway because it's a flat surface so it doesn't fall the angle of the driveway
[2:48:43] So now they they have to write up on those humps and they're dragging their cars and stuff and
[2:48:47] So we went down, the highway crew would down, put some dirt on them, to raise them up for
[2:48:52] right now, because they haven't come and paved them, but I think it's going to be coming
[2:48:55] issue.
[2:48:57] And you can't pitch the sidewalk at the same angle as the driveway, because then it's not
[2:49:02] 80 a compliant.
[2:49:05] It'd be like 4%, it's only that, they were down there telling me, so the one that, one
[2:49:10] of the house would be looked at, it was 10%.
[2:49:13] I saw that.
[2:49:17] No good deed goes up on this.
[2:49:19] So I'd like to make a motion that we don't pursue any future sidewalks.
[2:49:25] Oh, what?
[2:49:27] It's an ordinance to just walk in the US.
[2:49:30] All right, we're going to move on to action items.
[2:49:35] Rob is going to look at the tree ordinance and review it and be prepared to discuss it
[2:49:40] in the next meeting.
[2:49:41] I'm going to follow up with a planning commission on the UDR and be prepared to discuss that at the next meeting.
[2:49:49] We're all going to review the assisted down manager job description and be prepared to approve a final version next meeting.
[2:49:58] Same, and the texts we're all going to review, the text help policy and be prepared to discuss that at the next meeting.
[2:50:05] And I have Mark and I volunteered to look at the broken sidewalk on 4A by the Legion.
[2:50:10] And we want to do that mark? Yep, and we want to look at the police chief job description to them like just
[2:50:16] Or that Mike's gonna send us
[2:50:20] and see what we need to adjust on that
[2:50:29] Really, you pens stopped working
[2:50:32] Well, I just
[2:50:34] Stop, you know, I just better
[2:50:36] That means it's time to go
[2:50:39] Right back on schedule
[2:50:42] It's okay, I'll use the red one. Okay, maybe great. Thank you
[2:50:47] Would you
[2:50:50] Have Megan or somebody do the tax sale policy for me and put it in my box.
[2:50:56] Police.
[2:50:56] So at this point, I'm ready to entertain a motion to go into executive session for
[2:51:01] personnel.
[2:51:05] I'm moved to find that premature general public knowledge regarding the personal matter
[2:51:08] and handle put the board at a substantial disadvantage because of the sensitive nature of
[2:51:12] the personal situation.
[2:51:14] I'm moved when I turn to executive session to discuss the personal matter under the provisions
[2:51:19] of title 1vsa313383 with the select board, the town manager and I'm sorry I'm going to
[2:51:30] butcher your name again like I think I did the last time Michael couldn't
[2:51:33] No, no.
[2:51:34] No.
[2:51:35] Do I
[2:51:39] have a second?
[2:51:41] Second.
[2:51:42] I love favor.
[2:51:43] Hi.
[2:51:44] Hi.
[2:51:44] I'm an executive secretary.