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Meeting of the honorable body like to
welcome everyone out to another budget

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work session on June the 4th
2026.

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Uh, we met yesterday and are continuing
today and one thing I'd like to ask of

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my fellow commissioners is today
when we have a presenter, if we could

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wait until they are finished presenting
to ask them questions

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and let's try to stay on point. I felt
like a couple of times yesterday we kind

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of got out in the weeds a little bit.
We could

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make the questions narrow and to the
point, it'll speed this process up.

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All right. Uh, I'll turn it over to the
county manager.

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» Yes, our first um, speaker today will be
the school system superintendent Stokes,

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so I will turn it over to him for his
presentation.

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» Good afternoon.

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First and foremost, the Kershaw County
schools is pleased um, to be here to

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share information regarding
um, our status. So, first I want to give

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an update of our capital 888 projects.
Um, our school board and our school

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system is very thankful for the capital
888 reserve.

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As you know, we've appropriated 80
888,000

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to us and so as of today
of the 27 projects

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two projects have not done. The reason
those two projects have not begun, one

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is the South Elementary Water Treatment
Plant because students cannot be in the

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building cuz we have to cut water off
for that. That's one that we know will

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be need to have some inconveniences
to go carry over to the next fiscal

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year. And the second one is the
drainage for custom cuts that doing some

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work outside of the school. That will
begin next week and will be completed by

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the end.
And so thus far

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we have
of the 888,000,

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we have a total of 882,300
dollars and 11 cent

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in cost and work being done. To this
date, total reimbursement request that

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we've sent to this
organization has been 97,219

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dollars and 6 cent.
And our next reimbursement we hope to

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have to you by June 12th will total
536,865

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dollars and 11 cent.
Our biggest um projects are the chillers

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at both North and South Elementary.
They're approximately 50% complete. Um

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they're on site working with those. And
so those of course are the major of the

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888 that has not been invoiced. Well, we
are expecting to have those invoices

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coming in before the June 30th deadline.
So total money spent encumbered has been

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701,000
300 dollars and 11 cent giving us again

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the total
of total remaining projects 100

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81 882,311.
Once my board meets on Monday, I can

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send you the written format given the
progress. Um but my board has been

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updated but I would like to make sure
that they have approved it before I send

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it to you.

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It It asked of us to talk about what
were our capital outlay priorities for

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the upcoming school year. We have not
put in a rank on any of those items yet.

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However,
we still have needs regarding from have

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that pavement, uh some security issues,
water and sewer needs at various sites,

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um some athletic places that could help
fix some leaking roofs. So, um once my

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board has helped me put this list in a
prioritized order, I can get it to the

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county commissioners where we do meet
Monday.

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Uh one of the um concerns I just want to
be thankful that um this past capital

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reserve 888 has been very influential in
helping us move in the right direction

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and keeping our facilities up and
running. And we're greatly we're

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we're definitely appreciative of that.
With the same flat appropriation funding

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that we received last year, we are
thankful for that because it could it

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could have been less. It It does pose
challenges to us. However, we will not

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have our state budget until the state is
expected to vote the week of June 15th,

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um which is we got the next. So, my
understanding that election that vote

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will occur on
June 17th. So, we'll know what local

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current expenses, local
staff,

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health benefits, things will cause will
impact our local

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uh our operating expenses.

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I now defer to the county commissioners
for any questions.

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» Uh open the floor for questions,
gentlemen.

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Yes, sir.

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» I I couldn't hear you. I'm sorry.
>> Will you have all the capital needs uh

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cost itemized by the 15th so we can
review it prior to voting on a budget?

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» You're talking for the upcoming school
year?

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» Yeah, mhm.
>> I cannot guarantee that, but we will

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work on that as far as what cost we may
have estimates.

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» I think I think we're responsible for
overlooking that money, so it'd be we

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need that to see
>> Yes, sir.

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» before we vote on it.
>> We'll take note of that and get that to

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you.
>> Thank you.

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» Any other questions?

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Mr. Dukes, are you going to speak for
the school board or are you going to

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have someone else speaking?
>> I am the only one presenting today.

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» Okay, can I ask another question?
>> What Do you have your current fund

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balance to date?
So or the school board?

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» So our current fund balance is
approximately I asked my CFO to come up

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with a number, but I think I'm almost
right. Our current fund balance total

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restricted and unrestricted funds is
approximately 1.9 million.

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But that 1.9 million
that has not we have not removed what

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we've appropriated for this year's
budget from that balance, which right

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now is between
right now at the last presentation I

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shared with my board was approximately
715,000

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that has not been
re-appropriated yet.

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» Okay, you say that
it's not just unassigned, but that's the

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entire fund balance?
>> 1.9 million, yes, sir.

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» Okay, do you know what the unassigned
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» The unassigned is less than
So less than a million.

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» Okay. But then that does not include
where you had to dip into it for this

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year, is that correct?
>> That does not currently what we've

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appropriated for this school year, yes,
sir.

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» Any other questions?
Mr. Dukes, what um

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what was the total amount y'all were
asking for in capital

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this time?

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» Our total ask
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» I need my CFO to come up with the exact
number.

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» Okay.

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» The total asked for capital outlay was a
rent roughly 1.2 million dollars.

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» I'm not going to direct this question at
you, but I'm going to direct it Miss

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Stokes.
I guess if you all asking 1.2, you don't

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have any plan in places to
how much what money is needed for what

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projects?
>> So, NCDPI is requiring us to submit a

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new facility plan. All LEAs we're
currently working on that as well

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because NCDPI has asked us to if they're
going to a new platform for us to do

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facility plan. So, we're working on that
because our last approved facility plan

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has
through some transitions we've had

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just a
a good number of transitions. So,

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therefore some things have been
executed, some things have not. And so,

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without that plan we contend continue to
be in a place where we don't really have

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the clearest of direction moving
forward. And so, our goal is to have

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that moving forward.

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» And just a reminder that we are going to
having the recommended budget the same

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amount 400,000
as last year. And as we showed on the

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slide, we would be looking for the
difference. I think it was like 865,000

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to come from lottery funds. And of
course, both boards would have to agree.

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» Yes, cuz some of the projects that we're
looking at

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require, of course, both boards to
agree.

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Um some planning for some planning
regarding that, but I I'm not able to

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speak at length on it because my board
has not made a final decision and

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direction regarding this. So, I do not
want to put anything out there before

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our board has approved it.
>> Your board does realize that we got to

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have a budget in place by June the 30th,
don't you?

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» Absolutely.
>> It looks like they're a little behind,

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if I might be blunt.
>> I

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do understand.
>> Come to us with a request, but yet

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you're not You're not I'm saying you,
but the school system in general is not

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able to tell us where they need this
capital money spent, what it needs to be

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spent on.
Today is June the 4th.

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We anticipate adopting a budget in 11
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So,
I would suggest your board step up the

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process a little bit.
>> Duly noted.

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» Any other questions from Mr. Stokes?
>> I've got one other question. Mr. Stokes,

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what's your current enrollment in the
Capital County schools?

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» Our current enrollment as of our last
as of our May We have a certain day in

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each month we pull the numbers. It was
1998.

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» 1998. And do you know how many
how many students you have to pay out of

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the system, say charter schools and so
forth? How much of that money is having

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to go to other
other schools?

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» Yes, so we have
>> It's over 300 students, and I want to

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say it's about 400,000
we're having to pay for charter school.

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» 300 students, 400,000.
>> It's in the 300s, and we're paying

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approximately
at least 400,000 going to the

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charter schools.
>> Thank you.

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» Anything else for the superintendent?

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All right, Mr. Stokes. Thank you very
much.

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» Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you.

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» At this time, we would like to show you
about five slides to just help you with

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some decisions or questions that you may
have for the departments that are here

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today.

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» Slides that you all see here um
is to address Commissioner Claggett's

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question yesterday regarding
uh what two extra paid days off would

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would cost the county for full-time
employees.

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Um on paper for all two
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So, on paper for full-time employees,
the the value is about $113,000.

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Uh but that
but that overstates that that overstates

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it because more uh for most staff
um it is it is not a a cash cost. Salary

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employees
um take the time and are are paid the

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same. So, so the county would in essence
not be be issuing an additional check.

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Um
So, but the the the real cost is in our

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24/7
um operations. Um

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uh so, departments like EMS, 911,
detention center,

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uh sheriff's department where an open
shift must be covered and it will likely

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it would likely be
be done so using overtime.

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Um and that backfill is is estimated at
about 74,000.

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Um it if the if the board moves forward,
uh we we believe administratively the

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the cleanest way is to to add these two
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uh paid off days uh to everyone's leave
bank with with basically no no

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restrictions.

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So, this slide addresses pay increases
and bonus cost options.

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Options the board asked the
administration to price.

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And at 1% pay increase
is a recurring cost about 149,000

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in the general fund and about 160,000
across all funds.

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Those figures include FICA, retirement,
and reflects our budgeted vacancy rates.

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The one-time bonus at $1,000 for
full-time employees and $500 for

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part-time employees would cost about
346,000

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all in covering roughly 323
employees.

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One One note on the bonus, a $1,000
bonus for an employee is about $800 in

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the employees check after taxes and
withholdings.

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Both numbers are estimates and we can we
can definitely tighten them once the

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board signals which direction is
preferred.

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» And also
like he was saying as well, I think you

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will definitely see that number reduced
because if you put the 500 hours worked

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and still active for part-time employees
that they would have had to work in this

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fiscal year starting July 1st to June
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it would they would need to have worked
those hours in this current period

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fiscal year that we're in in order to be
able to get that. And just remember the

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1% raise is a recurring cost and the
one-time bonus is not it's a one-time.

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And for the maintenance, I know there
was questions just saying you kind of

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wanted to see what was funded in FY27
and what was not funded. So, the parking

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lot pavement for 911 was included. The
Havoc at the Ag and building and

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co-squares included. Water testing is
included. Roofing, concession stand and

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courthouse are included. Tap and meter
at Pelham is included. Backflow

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preventers
at Pelham included. Gutter guards,

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probation and section 8 are included.
And what was deferred to a future year

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is painting the historical courthouse,
carpet and flooring at the Ag, fencing

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at Guilford Mills, carpet and flooring
at the courthouse,

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basement and that's what $144,000
was deferred.

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So, that's just giving you an idea of
the maintenance projects that were

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funded, just broken out and what was not
funded and deferred.

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The next slide, I know you've seen
something very similar to this yesterday

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showing you the FY26
options of savings that we have. We were

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able the Deputy Finance Director, Ms.
Miller, had got me the additional FY26

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maintenance capital that will not be
spent in this fiscal year which was

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$41,984.
So, when you put that with the other the

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$944,000
that we went over yesterday the net

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available the total available is
$985,984.

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And on the next slide, it will show you
the proposed uses and of course this is

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at your discretion. You can make changes
anywhere that you would like. This is

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just giving you some options here. If
you wanted to do the one-time employee

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bonus, it has it fully loaded here at
346 338.

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Um the EMS ambulance remount of $275
and the sheriff's department with the

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uplift up to six vehicles at $351,
which is $972,338.

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So, I was hoping maybe this would help
you when you talked to these

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departments.
Um you know, help you with your

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questions you may want to ask.
>> Mr. Chairman. Yes.

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And this still on this last page, page
number five, with with doing this,

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there's still no tax increase associated
with any of this.

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» Correct. This is leftover from FY26
um funds that we savings that we have

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for FY26. And we would come back to the
board at the June 15th meeting with a

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budget amendment.
>> Okay. And this is no reoccurring on this

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either, correct?
>> No, it's not reoccurring. These are all

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one-time, and this just would help um
we've got the funds now that we could

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pay for, and since, you know, we have to
go to the LGC for any debt service,

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this would be a way that we could go
ahead and make some of these purchases

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cuz I know the sheriff's department we
are already getting ready to be two

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cycles behind because there's no cars
appropriated for FY27,

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and then the EMS remount, um I know if
we have to wait and take this through

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the LGC, I'm not sure how much longer it
would continue to defer these.

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» Thank you.

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All right.
Listen.

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Um looking at page three where you've
got the original requested projects um

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funded in '27,
let's just say if you have a another

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elevator that goes out, $75,000.
Where's that money coming from?

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» We would have to come back for anything
that costs that much, we would have to

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come back to the board and you would
have to appropriate at that time fund

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balance, but keep in mind that's a
one-time occurrence. It's not like

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you're doing something that's recurring
out of it. So, we would just have to

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come back before the board, but I do
know he has up to 90,000 for like

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capital outlay besides these other items
that they're also included in addition

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the 90,000 and then also there's an
additional I think 50,000 for if we have

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issues with have back or electrical, but
if we had anything that was of a large

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cost, we would need to come back up to
the board because we we wouldn't have

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any funding for it.
>> Okay, as I mentioned yesterday it's a

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little bit concerning to me that we're
paying cash for the ambulance and now

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the remount. You know, there's savings
we had during the year would you know

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better than I do as to how our cash
looks and how we're looking

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in relationship to what the state
requires.

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Obviously, we're looking pretty good to
be able to do that.

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» We should be at the 11.1%
still and you should there will be some

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additional savings that can go back and
whatever you choose if you choose this

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is just I provided on the other the last
slide some examples of what you can do

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with the savings. Um you don't have to
fund everything I put on there if you

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decide not to, that's more that will go
back into fund balance, but these are

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things that we could go ahead and
purchase and I don't I know Miss Sharp

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and she can correct me if I'm wrong, but
if we had to come back for a one-time

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purchase, I don't think that the LGC
would frown upon that because we will be

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above and which they don't require, but
you know, they say that it's recommended

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to have at least 8%. We would be above
that and they would see that it was for

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a one-time purchase that was you know
out of out of our control.

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» Okay, but the fund balance and the cash
balance can be two different numbers,

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right?
Cash in bank.

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So that's what I'm saying. Obviously
we're in pretty good shape on cash in

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bank to be able to pay $600,000 for a
re-mount a new ambulance without getting

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in trouble with the state.
>> Exactly. Exactly cuz we can pay it's

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fine to pay the cash for that like you
said that's different than with the fund

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balance.

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So at this time is it particular
departments you would like to call up to

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hear their request or what questions you
may have?

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» Leaves.

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Health Department. Mr. Rogers says
Health Department.

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» Good evening.
>> Good evening. How you doing?

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» I'm good. How are you?
>> Just have a couple questions for you. I

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do see
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on one of the slides we had yesterday
option for capital purchases from 26

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savings
it had in here uh

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two vehicles
>> Mhm.

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» for the Health Department. Can you kind
of elaborate a little bit on that?

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» Sure. We have two of the original
vehicles that were purchased by the

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county. They're not part of the fleet.
One is a F-150 pickup truck. It has

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I think uh right around 100,000 miles on
it. The four-wheel drive engages

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uh just sporadically. The staff have
um

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disconnected the four-wheel drive so
that it stays in two-wheel drive.

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Otherwise there's this grind and noise.
The air will not switch back and forth

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between defrost
feet, and face, so they're not able to

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use air conditioner or heat.
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I think there's one other tires. It
needs new tires.

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» Okay.
>> Um, otherwise

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it
it still is working. They drive it when

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they have to. They try not to drive it
if they don't have to.

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» Right.
>> The other car is a F-1, I mean a Ford

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Focus. It has around 72,000 mi on it.
There's not really anything mechanically

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wrong with it. Um, but our care managers
drive it. They go out into the far

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reaches of the county. They're seeing
patients that

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live off the road. It's It's just It's a
small car. It's not really meant for the

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type of driving that they do.
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I put it in the budget every year just
to remind you guys that we have those

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old vehicles.
>> Right.

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» Um, but if it comes down to me keeping
staff employed or being able to give

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them a raise, we can make do with the
cars we have.

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Um, there's a plan in place right now to
um,

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shuffle cars a little bit because Donnie
Powell is retiring and he drives uh,

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public health because he is technically
still partially a health department

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employee. He still drives that truck.
Um, Matt Maynes will start driving it

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when he um, when he retires and then
we'll shift cars down. Um, we'd still

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like to be able to use the F-150, so if
we don't replace it, we are going to

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have a significant repair cost for it
and I don't I think we cut our repair

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costs in that vehicle repair line item.
We may need to adjust that uh, after the

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beginning of the year.
>> Right. Well, that was that was going to

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be one of my recommendations when I was
looking through everything last night

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is, you know, with with Mr. Powell
retiring the end of uh,

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June
there's a vehicle that's going to be

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open there. So, if we could
move the person behind him up to that

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vehicle and kind of stair-step it up,
then we could kind of eliminate that.

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My last question
>> to do that week after next to go ahead

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and transition that over to Matt.
>> My question to you is

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um
it's a two-fold question. One One

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with that being taken care of the truck,
do you think you could

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deal with the other car you have for
another year? And on the backside,

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um I know the manager's going to take a
look at the fleet.

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Um it's going to take a little bit to do
that, but in her doing that, if she can

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find something within those vehicles
that's a little better shape,

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maybe we could look at trying to move
that over to them.

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» Okay.
>> I appreciate it.

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One other question I have real quickly,
Mr. Chairman, Mr.

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the
this last slide you gave us and I'm

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done.
>> Okay.

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» I think Wait one minute. Somebody else
may have questions. I'm sorry. I

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apologize.
>> Hold hold hold hold right there, Mr.

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Rhodes. Let's finish up with the health
department.

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What year model is the F-150?
>> I think it's a 2013.

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» What about the Ford?
>> It might be a 15. The The Focus is a 13,

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I think. And the And the truck is a
15.

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» Okay.
All right. That's all I need to know.

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Any other questions for
director?

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All right. Thank you, ma'am.
>> I have one follow-up for the manager. Um

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Madam Manager, due to that being able to
handle that issue, was this

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985 984, was that including this
um

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was that including the vehicles from the
health department into that phone or

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not?
>> Not on the new slide because I had

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talked
>> Okay.

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» So, right, could take this we could take
this 985

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984 and add

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» I have that last slide without the
health department the cars in it.

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They've already been removed. Yesterday
had them in but the one I'm I'm

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presenting today, I had removed them
because I had talked to Miss Eastwood to

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see
you know if they were able to go one

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more year.
>> Thank you.

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» Let's do EMS.

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» Okay.

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» Good evening Commissioners. I apologize
for not getting the slides in time so we

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could have them on the screen but in
front of you have you just have a brief

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review and overview for this upcoming
year. Um in fiscal year 25 we responded

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to

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about 4,000 calls and had about 4,500
reports. Um my eyes aren't as good as

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they used to be.
Um since 2022 we've seen about a 7%

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increase in call volume and in fiscal
year 25 we brought in about a 1.185

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million um from EMS billing.
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it's misstated on the slide on page two,
the second slide slide number four.

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Um
there's an additional portion that is

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not included in this 1.185
because that's what's used um to offset

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some of the fee that EMSMC charges. So,
our actual revenue should be a little

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bit higher than what's stated.
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And in 2025, we drove approximately
almost 179,000 mi.

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Um on page three,
you can see that we've got two

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ambulances that have reached the end of
their life, pretty much exceeded it.

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Um and to go along with that, our
vehicle repair costs each year have been

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increasing. In 2024,
um we saw vehicle repair costs to 37,000

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up to this current year so far, we've
spent 63,000.

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Um the three trucks that are have
exceeded their useful life or exceeded

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their expected life.
Um 209 is a 2015 F-450.

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When you factor in not only the actual
mileage on the truck, but the engine

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auto hours, and how you do that is 40 mi
per auto hour,

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um you get up to over 600,000 mi. The
same thing with 204,

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it's over a half a million as well. And
207 is quickly approaching that point,

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and it's a 2019 F-450.
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on page four,
something that we need to look at, not

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necessarily during budget time, but in
the future is a fleet replacement plan.

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Um our original request included two
remounts, and we understand that every

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department's got to pitch in in cutting
the budget so that we're not using fund

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balance and not proposing a tax
increase.

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Um but a vehicle replacement plan,
especially for the ambulances, is

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something that's sorely needed.
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Also, in the FY27 budget is a $300,000
vacancy allowance.

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$300,000 equates to four paramedics.
Um

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that will cut the number of trucks, the
number of ambulances that we have

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staffed during the day
from four trucks down to three trucks.

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Um right now we have four trucks that
are staffed that are um on the road

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during the day if we're fully staffed
and three trucks at night. This will cut

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us to three trucks 24 hours. And
as you expect, the daytime is our

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busiest hours.
The last page um

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as Commissioner Ingram is not with us
today asked

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EMS salaries are sorely behind and we're
not of any

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under any illusion that we can compete
with the Durham County and Orange

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County, but I wanted you to see how we
compare with other counties because we

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are competing with the surrounding
counties.

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And it's hard to when you have EMTs that
are making $9,000 less than their

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counterparts in other counties all the
way up to paramedics who are $6,000

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less.
I know that's not something that we

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could
fix right here right now, but I wanted

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you to be aware of it. Um and with that,
you have my contact information. I think

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all of you have my phone number anyway.
Um I'm open for questions right now. If

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you have questions later, feel free to
contact me.

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» Questions.

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Mr. Yarbrough.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Um
looking at that

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email
that that we were looking at through our

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um budget process.
I see the price in here as if you

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contacted the the company
cuz I know when we looked at this, we it

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was months back.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Is anything is is any cost changed with
that?

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» I spoke to him this morning. He was at
the hospital with his wife who was

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having some surgery done. He said I he
couldn't lay eyes on it, but he didn't

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expect a major increase from the
original quote he gave us.

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» That's truck 204.
>> That's truck 209.

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» 209 is the one you wanted to re-model.
>> That's going to be our oldest truck and

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the one with the most miles on it.
>> Well, explain re-mat to me again. I know

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uh
Barry did it when he came before us

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12-18 months ago.
What are you keeping?

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» We're keeping the box. We're
>> Keeping the box. You're getting a new

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cab and chassis.
>> Correct. And we're taking that box.

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They're un- un-mounting it from the old
truck and putting it on a brand new cab

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cabin chassis.
>> Okay. Okay.

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I was for some reason I had in my mind
that it was right the opposite. You were

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keeping the cab and chassis and getting
a new box, but

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» No, sir. And in that process, they
refurbed um

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everything that needs refurbing. The
HVAC in the back of the truck gets the

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refurbished as as well as the charging
system. The inverter system gets

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00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:43,800
um replaced as well during that process.
>> And all that's figured into that cost.

431
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:48,240
» Yes, sir. And it also includes um
the stretchers and power loads. That is

432
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:53,360
something that we've not in play that
has not been included in the past, but

433
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:58,120
it is sorely needed to be included in
these costs. This is a turn-key price on

434
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,680
including everything from all vendors.
>> The 209 is the one you're talking about

435
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,040
doing.
>> Correct. That's the oldest one with the

436
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,040
most miles on it.
>> Okay. All right. All right.

437
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:11,560
» I'm sure. Yes, sir.
>> I'm the same place you were with with

438
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:17,679
I don't remember because I do remember
him talking about

439
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:22,120
there were uh rules and regulations on
the things in the box

440
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:26,520
not being up to
standards or new. And that's where that

441
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:31,639
came from because he was talking about
that box had to be redone every so many

442
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:35,639
years, too, or so many hours.
>> The box

443
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,560
our goal is to
when we get a new truck like we did in

444
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:43,440
September,
that one will reach its useful life and

445
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:47,600
I'm hoping to get 5 years out of it.
Once we get to that point of re pla

446
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:52,399
redoing that truck, we will take that
box off since it's a brand new box and

447
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:55,639
put it on a new chassis to get us 5 more
years out of that box.

448
00:34:53,879 --> 00:34:59,560
» And correct me if I'm wrong, John, but
that's usually only recommended to do

449
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,800
once for safety reasons.
>> Correct. Because if you get much more

450
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:06,240
than that, um
when you get when if they x-ray the box,

451
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,720
they'll see the welds have started
breaking

452
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:13,160
and such.
>> that was a question

453
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:18,320
that I know myself and former
Commissioner Rian had when they're way

454
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:25,320
to x-ray that box to see cracks and if
it wasn't wouldn't it still usable.

455
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:27,640
» The chances of it in of it cracking if
you remount it more than once are going

456
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,120
to increase.
>> Okay. Now, I I get that. I did.

457
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,520
» There are ways to x-ray it, but once you
remount it more than once, that box is

458
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,520
probably going to have
close to half a million road miles on it

459
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,280
in a total of
a million miles when you include auto

460
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,480
hours.
>> Okay.

461
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,760
Any more questions?
>> Uh John, how many total trucks do you

462
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,520
have?
>> Right now, we have seven.

463
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520
» Seven.

464
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,480
How many

465
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:09,520
on average, how many times in a week
are all four trucks out?

466
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,520
» Uh we run out of trucks, um

467
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:16,360
I'd like to say once a day, we make
calls for standbys, but that's not

468
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:21,320
always the case because we're not always
fully staffed.

469
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:28,040
Right now, we have five open positions
um that we could hire

470
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,040
if we didn't have a vacancy allowance.

471
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,680
» Any more questions?
>> Mr. Chairman.

472
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,720
» Yes.
>> John, what uh

473
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:42,400
what is the cost savings on this remount
versus a new truck?

474
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:45,400
» So, the remount, I think we have 275
that's in the

475
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,920
proposal
on the table right now. Is that correct?

476
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,880
» Yeah.
>> Um

477
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,400
a new truck The new truck that we bought
in

478
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,440
I think was delivered in September was
350.

479
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:01,360
» Do you want
>> Um and if you want to add

480
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,760
one cost that we didn't equate to that
you seen on the contingency fund slide

481
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:09,400
yesterday
was the $10,500

482
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:14,400
for tags for that truck that we had to
pull out of contingency in September.

483
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Nobody equated for that in the original
cost.

484
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,920
Um and my proposal, that 275 actually
includes that.

485
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,480
» Thank you.
>> So, it actually goes up to about 26 361

486
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,480
for a new truck.

487
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,600
» No problem. Any more Any other
questions?

488
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:34,080
» Mr. Chairman.
>> Yes, sir.

489
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:35,720
» John, uh so you've got a freeze on four
positions.

490
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,480
» That's
>> how's that

491
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,880
» Go ahead.
>> How's that look? I mean, we've got seven

492
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:45,680
ambulances and you got
four a freeze on four positions. How's

493
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,960
that look to the public? I mean, what
does that amount to?

494
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,520
What's the result of that?
>> Right now, we have 24 positions that are

495
00:37:51,360 --> 00:38:00,200
24-hour set and 24 hours on 72 hours
off. And we also have four positions

496
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:04,760
that work a what we call a 223 schedule
in which they work 12 hours. Um

497
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:09,560
and they'll work 36 hours one week and
48 the next. Those four positions will

498
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:13,440
be eliminated because they only work
8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m.

499
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Those four positions will be put not
eliminated, but put on hold because of

500
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,440
the vacancy allowance.
>> How's that going to affect service time

501
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,200
and response time?
>> Um

502
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,920
if we have to do that, we'll probably
bring all three trucks back to

503
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Yanceyville
instead of having trucks at out bases.

504
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:35,240
Um, that's going to increase response
times to the edge far edges of the

505
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,240
county.

506
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,800
» Any more questions?

507
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:48,400
All right, thank you.
Who else do we have?

508
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Madam Manager?
>> Um, you have the Sheriff's Department.

509
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:55,120
» All right.
Sheriff, you coming up?

510
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:02,440
» Afternoon.

511
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,840
» All right, questions.

512
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:25,280
Sheriff, I know we don't. I think it was
originally put in there for 10

513
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,280
10 vehicles.

514
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Would these six
go a long way to to help him alleviate

515
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,880
some issues you have?

516
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:18,760
Sheriff, as you know, we've got a freeze
on all vacancies. How many vacancies

517
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,760
does the department have?

518
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,720
What's your total number of vehicles?

519
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,040
Yeah. Yeah.
Got you.

520
00:41:54,200 --> 00:42:02,240
I'll get back to Mr. Rose's question.
If we can't we can't do 10, if we can do

521
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:06,960
five or six, I'm taking it that would
help.

522
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,960
Okay.

523
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:19,400
I understand. I understand.
>> Sheriff, would these be replacing your

524
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:23,240
high pursuit vehicles that have the high
mileage and wear on them?

525
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,320
» Any other questions?

526
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,560
All right, Sheriff. Thank you very much.

527
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:56,960
» And then we have our maintenance
department.

528
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,960
» All right. Mr. Hayes.

529
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,000
What questions y'all have for
maintenance director?

530
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,480
I have a number of questions. I think
Melissa's answered a lot of my questions

531
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,440
today.
And um

532
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:31,800
yeah, I just want to make sure that your
funding was sufficient to see you

533
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:36,520
through next 12 months. I'm concerned
and and what we would do in the case of

534
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,680
an emergency or major repair, where that
money come from, and she's addressed

535
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:44,800
that.
So, um I guess uh

536
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:48,280
day-to-day maintenance, uh you've got
money for

537
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:53,120
maintenance and and I know you've got
some personnel on freeze, too.

538
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Is that correct?

539
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:59,240
» There's one cleaning um one on the
cleaning crew that we have.

540
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:10,440
» I'd like my comment.
Um

541
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:13,560
I really I I'd say you probably run the
tightest ship in this county.

542
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,280
And I just want to let you know I
appreciate it.

543
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,840
» No questions, Mr. Hayes?
>> Mr. Chairman.

544
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,920
» Yes.
>> I don't really have a question. I mean I

545
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,520
I think he knows as well as I do that,
you know, everybody's had to

546
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:34,080
to struggle this budget cycle and
everybody's had to

547
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:38,760
but um
cut back.

548
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:42,640
But I guess
going off what um Commissioner Hope

549
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,640
said, I
I've seen you

550
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,240
take nothing and make something out of
it and I appreciate it.

551
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,800
That's not taking away from any of other
fire department heads cuz all of them do

552
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,680
a great job and I appreciate everything
they do.

553
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:01,640
But your kind of task at some point in
time when their stuff breaks is trying

554
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:05,720
to get it fixed and um
I do appreciate everything you do and um

555
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:10,120
I know it is had been a struggle with
this budget.

556
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,120
That's all I have, Mr. Chairman.

557
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,920
» No questions?
Thank you, Jody.

558
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,800
» And we have our solid waste director
here.

559
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,800
» Mr. Feagins.

560
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:48,400
» Afternoon.
Thank you for being here. So um most of

561
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:52,920
you are aware the fees did go up.
Um and as we've been speaking since

562
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,960
middle of last year
majority of the fees are going to the

563
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,600
monitoring wells that the state is
requiring us to put in additional

564
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:04,880
monitoring.
Excuse me. As well as the contract we

565
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,960
have one more year left with First
Piedmont and their fees went up as well

566
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:13,720
for the disposal side. I can go over
anything you want. I have documentation

567
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:18,240
we can look at stuff if you got any
questions, I'm open.

568
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,360
» Questions.
Total amount what total cost on those

569
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:28,000
monitoring wells we're going to have to
install?

570
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,000
» It was around 118,000, right?

571
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:36,400
» Yes, let me um
>> I'm sure it's in here, but I you've got

572
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:42,840
it you're closer than I have.
>> Yes, so the monitoring wells, it's

573
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:47,920
around 118,000 increase.
But that includes putting the new wells

574
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:52,120
in, testing all the wells for P fast as
well as the lab fees for the dish the

575
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,960
current
testing we're doing

576
00:46:54,120 --> 00:47:01,200
um and establishing roads to the
monitoring wells as well as to the um

577
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,480
surface water samples that we have to do
and we're doing a lot of that stuff in

578
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,360
house to cut cost.
>> Is

579
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,320
is the state giving you a definite
number on how many wells?

580
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:18,400
» Yes, sir. So right now we're at two. We
did have some money left we did test our

581
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:23,280
our supply well at the landfill.
Um I got them to go ahead and do that

582
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:27,560
and that was negative. So that
contributed to the number. So we're only

583
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,840
doing two and they're clustered kind of
together so that also saves on money

584
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:35,920
getting a road in.
>> How does

585
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:40,120
How does the monitoring well just
compare to a conventional well that

586
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:44,760
someone might have at their home?
>> Um the depth the depth is very shallow.

587
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Some are a lot shallower than your
normal drinking well and I could get my

588
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,560
other book and tell you exactly the
depth, but we won't go there unless you

589
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,640
want to know.
>> No, go ahead.

590
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:58,560
» Um basically
if you think about a 3-in pipe in the

591
00:47:55,720 --> 00:48:02,800
ground and it's cased and when they get
ready to test it, they stick a tube down

592
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:07,200
in it and they hook it they have
different pumps depending on the volume

593
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:11,280
of that well and they pump out water and
they put it in a tube sample and it's

594
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,480
encased at the off of the ground in
concrete and locked and that's something

595
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:20,200
the state requires. We have to check the
locks and all.

596
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:24,360
But they drill them on a well drilling
skid

597
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:28,200
and you know, they drill and they have a
certain amount they don't hit, we have

598
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:31,280
to move.
>> They don't hit water on

599
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:36,040
» They don't hit water, that's correct.
And then we have to develop the well

600
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:40,200
and if the well doesn't produce enough,
then we have to come back. So we try to

601
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:45,960
make sure when they drill, I'm on site
with them. We try to make sure we hit

602
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:50,000
enough water where it will develop
to save cost to having to come back.

603
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Uh I can go get my beef at my well book
and tell you I don't know off top of my

604
00:48:55,240 --> 00:49:01,160
head.
So they they're pumping them off of 12

605
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,440
volt pumps. So I would say maybe a
gallon less than a gallon a minute.

606
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,160
» Can't be much if they're doing it like
that.

607
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,160
» Yep.

608
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,880
» I was expecting you to say it's going to
be a thousand feet deep as much as this

609
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,000
cost.
>> No, so um

610
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:25,480
So for example and I can tell you a
little bit more to break it down. So

611
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:30,040
they're doing a weep sweep and sampling.
So basically a representative from SM&E

612
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,320
and myself is going to walk from the
creek property line. There's two creeks

613
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,320
on the property. We're going to walk
from one of them from property line to

614
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,680
property line
and do them both.

615
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,440
And they're going to look for any
settlement

616
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:46,960
or and they're going to take samples of
settlement or anything in the quick

617
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:53,600
creek. That's $7100,
okay? To install the two wells is $3900.

618
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:58,480
Okay?
And then they have to develop the wells,

619
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:03,400
which is around 4,000.
Um there's two sampling events, and that

620
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:09,560
includes the PFOA sampling of those two
wells and the lab costs and my already

621
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:12,560
in-ground wells, which is around
$28,000.

622
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:21,040
And we have to pour the water,
um which I'm thinking is part of their

623
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:24,960
development, and that is right at
$6,000,

624
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:31,280
as well as we have to do assessment
report for the PFOA to the state, which

625
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,280
is another $7,000.

626
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:40,640
And then I mean in in the proposal well
monitoring, I have to buy rock to get

627
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:45,080
rock to the wells so that they are a
all-weather road, so they can get their

628
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:49,600
vehicles to the wells.
And we'll install the rock ourselves, so

629
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:53,280
we're not paying somebody to do it.
>> Are these the only two you'll have to do

630
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:58,320
the PFOA sampling on?
>> No, sir. I got to do them on every well.

631
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:02,880
Yes, sir. 13 of them, plus I currently
do three groundwater samples, and I've

632
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:06,840
added I mean, excuse me, surface water,
and we added four more, so a total of

633
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:12,720
seven surface waters as well.
>> Correct me if I'm wrong. We were on the

634
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:16,480
verge of coming off
any type of monitoring because the

635
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,440
landfill's been closed for a number of
years.

636
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,400
» Until the state decided to start to test
for PFOA.

637
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:27,120
» I I was thinking that was what you had
told us. Yes, sir.

638
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:30,440
» Um
>> AJ, you said we contract First Piedmont

639
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,240
now, correct?
>> Yes, sir.

640
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,000
» And those
It looks like those fees increase in

641
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,440
year after year after year.
>> That's correct.

642
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:45,520
» How
how many other companies around are you

643
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:49,840
able to get quotes from?
>> I've done two RFPs since I've been the

644
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:54,920
director
um over the time frame um

645
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:59,680
and nobody will bid against them.
They're the only company that will turn

646
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,200
a bid in. I send it out Excuse me, we
put it on the website. I'm happy to do

647
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:08,320
whatever we need to do to get some other
companies. Um it will become next year

648
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,000
will be time to bid. I'll have to build
a RFP, put all the data in it, and we'll

649
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:16,000
have to put it out next year.
>> What What is the main cost associated

650
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,560
with? Is it with the hauling or is it
with the trash space within their

651
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:22,560
landfill?
>> The tipping is the most expensive, but

652
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,800
the hauling costs as well.
>> Right.

653
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:31,040
Um have you ever thought about looking
at seeing what um

654
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:35,200
if there's any savings or
it could be more cost. I don't know of

655
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:39,680
us actually hauling it if you know, I
don't know. I'm just asking So we can

656
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:43,040
ever looked at that. We can look at that
if y'all want to form a committee so we

657
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:47,080
can put some ideas and thoughts in
there. Um we could um

658
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,920
we could haul the open tops from the
Yancey Center and let them continue to

659
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:55,200
do the packer boxes.
Or we could take it over all, but I will

660
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:58,160
tell you I can't do it with on the staff
I have and I can't do it with the trucks

661
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,160
I have.
>> Yeah, and I'm not I'm not saying that's

662
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,840
something we need to change. I said I
guess I'm looking at it from the aspect

663
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,920
of
if we took a look at that to see if if

664
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:12,720
there is some cost savings because
I mean

665
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,760
it's two things that I think feel like a
life's not going away. Taxes not going

666
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:20,400
away and trash.
>> Right. And I will tell you two things on

667
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:25,680
that statement you just made.
Um we can definitely take a dive into it

668
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:30,200
before we put the RFP out,
but I will tell you that um

669
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:34,640
if I come and say, you know, I can haul
for $100,000 less,

670
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:38,920
you can't say oh we saved $100,000
because I've already been told

671
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,480
if I take the hauling from them and I go
to their landfill, they're going up on

672
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,640
your tipping fee.
>> Okay.

673
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:48,480
» So you're going to have to you're going
to have to adjust.

674
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,480
» And I think that we're kind of

675
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,720
at their mercy, for lack of a better
words.

676
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,320
» And we may be able to contract with
another landfill. You know, I can put

677
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,120
the fillers out once we get through the
budget, we can start planning, maybe put

678
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:05,520
a little committee together, get some
ideas of is it cheaper for us to haul

679
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:09,720
half of our stuff and they haul half or
contract with somebody else

680
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,760
and see where we can go from it before
we put the RFP out.

681
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,680
» Cuz I mean, it looks like it's been
every year it it continuously keeps

682
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,040
going up and up.
>> And you you know, every time we do the

683
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:23,680
contract, um
you're going to get a big spike.

684
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:28,280
And that's next budget.
And I hate it. And I argue with them I

685
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,440
mean, it just, you know,
>> Right. And I don't even I don't know if

686
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:35,160
it would actually be any cost savings to
the county if to do this. I have no

687
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,720
clue.
>> Right. We can look into it.

688
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:42,120
» Um I just know that
and and and I guess one thing I I've

689
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,080
been doing some
looking at some stuff and and and I

690
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:49,840
guess the board
at some point in time needs to be very

691
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:53,360
aware of it. Um
A lot of these landfills are limited in

692
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,240
space that they will take
other trash from other counties.

693
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:00,360
So, they cut you back.
And they only take so much.

694
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,880
Um
>> They'll take whatever we send them.

695
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:09,600
All of your MSW, which is your bagged
trash and garbage, goes to the transfer

696
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,440
and then we pay them to haul it to the
transfer and then haul it to Reidsville.

697
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:19,640
All of our C&D, like your couches and
stuff that you throw away at the

698
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:22,760
landfill, that goes in their landfill.
>> Okay.

699
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,000
But that's that's where the First
Piedmont takes their stuff. They don't

700
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,840
deal with Alamance over here anything
like that.

701
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:32,680
» No, sir. All Pennsylvania County
anywhere and I can check and see.

702
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:35,920
» Who hauls Who hauls
Is there any companies out of Alamance

703
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:39,520
that haul?
>> Republic's out of Alamance.

704
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,160
» Okay.
>> So, they don't own a landfill in

705
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,680
Alamance.
>> Right. That's all I have, Mr. Chairman.

706
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,320
» Mr. Chairman.
>> Yes, sir.

707
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:50,720
» Let me Let me ask this. Um how many
sites around the county, not counting

708
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,480
the the
the main

709
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:56,720
» Eight.
>> Eight.

710
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,480
What's the percentage of trash? I mean,
is that

711
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:03,800
majority of it
or I mean, I don't have to have numbers,

712
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,760
but you kind of know
is most of the trash coming from these

713
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,400
other eight sites?
>> Yeah, so um I can give you the breakdown

714
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:16,400
of what comes out of the landfill, what
we call the landfill, like when you

715
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:20,440
cross the scales to throw something. And
excuse me, what comes from the packer

716
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:24,080
boxes cuz I get it separated.
Um but yeah, your majority of your

717
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:28,800
weight is coming out of your packer
boxes except for the landfill. Your

718
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,720
business site is Pelham.
>> Let me ask this question. How many

719
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:36,640
counties are still doing it the way we
are because I know

720
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:40,240
the other counties
at least a lot of them, you know, they

721
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:43,480
have trash pickup.
So, how many how many counties do you

722
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:47,640
think still left in North Carolina that
are doing it?

723
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:51,120
» It's quite a few. I know um
if you get down towards the coast and up

724
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:55,560
to the mountains, they have convenience
sites now far as

725
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:59,200
counties touching us, not many. But
there is quite a few counties that have

726
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:03,040
the convenience sites like we do or
either they have convenience sites like

727
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:06,840
we do, but they have a county employee
sitting in a house, hut, or building

728
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:11,120
there all the time.
When it's open.

729
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:14,320
» So, the trash that's at um
I'm going to call it the landfill over

730
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,840
here, but um
you're going to get paid for whatever

731
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,400
comes in there.
>> Yes, sir. It

732
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:23,080
» What tax is that one's really not
costing us?

733
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:27,040
» So, we we break even on that with the
exception of we take free trash uh the

734
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:31,840
county
county trash like if, you know,

735
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:36,080
depending on the project um we have a
good neighbor policy like we don't

736
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:40,800
charge the churches and the nonprofits
as well as uh NCDOT when they do

737
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,120
roadside cleanup and stuff, they dump
for free as well.

738
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:49,720
Um, so we do have some free stuff, but
the fees at the landfill

739
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:57,040
cover that majority and renting the
dumpsters out covers the landfill cost.

740
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:00,560
It's about $450,000
out of the landfill itself.

741
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,640
» Any more questions for Mr.
I've got one. AJ, going back to the

742
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:12,400
monitoring wells,
if we find that we've got a problem with

743
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,800
the results exceed the limits, can we
treat through the well itself or do you

744
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:21,240
have to go another step?
>> So, you asked me that one time we were

745
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:26,840
talking about it and I asked my job
principal geologist Ed

746
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:29,960
and he says we can if need to be. If we
we could, but the probably the best

747
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:34,440
thing to do would be actually put a
treatment well in and treat. Sometimes

748
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:38,280
it's like blowing air into the ground or
whatever.

749
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:42,240
Um, but he doesn't feel like we we're
going to be in that risk right now by

750
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:47,480
the studies and data, you know, that
they've looked at. Uh, but we can treat

751
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:51,360
through the well if we have to.
But it's not a normal practice.

752
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:59,680
» Any other questions?
Thank you, Mr. Bigger.

753
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:05,080
I believe Mr. Rose has a question for
someone from the school system. Mis- is

754
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:09,760
it super- uh superintendent Artega?
Okay. I know and quote me if correct me

755
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:16,200
if I'm wrong, he said that the school
board was going to meet Monday

756
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,200
to come up with their capital stuff.

757
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,200
I can't hear you. I'm sorry.

758
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:31,360
» So, if I heard him correctly, I think
it's just going to be a presentation of

759
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:35,920
what the 888 we are at and then we're
going to present that to y'all and then

760
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:41,440
it was also going to be a presentation
of what we're expected to do for next

761
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,440
fiscal year.

762
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:51,840
Cuz again, we still need that facilities
plan and that's going to drive a lot of

763
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,840
the things that we're looking at.

764
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,120
» Okay. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

765
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,680
» Is that all the departments been
requested?

766
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:06,520
» Yes.
>> All right. Gentlemen, yesterday before

767
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:10,640
we adjourned
the manager and myself both asked if

768
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:15,480
there were any specific questions
related to the budget numbers that you

769
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:19,880
all have.
No one had any at that time. Does

770
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:25,600
anybody have any today?
Specific numbers that have stuck

771
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:30,600
with you that you're not comfortable
with.

772
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,600
You have a question about.

773
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:38,960
All right, since no one has a question
about anything specifically

774
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:45,160
in the budget
let's dig into this.

775
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:48,000
Can we go back to that screen
from the five

776
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:54,160
» The last one.
>> Yeah, the the page number five.

777
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,160
Right there.

778
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:01,000
Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
Now this

779
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,000
this uh

780
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:06,320
Okay, let me get my numbers right.

781
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:13,520
I believe you said Madam Manager
that there was

782
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:21,760
985 984
available

783
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:27,080
and you know
things we money we can have that we can

784
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:31,080
use if the board is so inclined.
>> Correct.

785
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:34,920
» And you gave these suggestions
or possibilities, let me just call it

786
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,680
that, not suggestions. I won't put words
in your mouth. So, you suggested them.

787
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:45,520
Uh
these items on page five for using the

788
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:49,240
majority of that money, not quite all of
it, but the majority.

789
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:54,080
» into consideration cuz I knew the EMS
ambulance remount was a high priority

790
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:58,520
and the sheriff vehicles and I know that
you as the commissioners wanted to give

791
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:02,960
something back as well to the employees.
That's why I chose the ones that I did

792
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:06,600
on here, but by all means, you can
change that.

793
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:11,520
» Right. Right. All right. I just want to
know the board's feelings

794
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:15,440
on what you see there on
the screen five, but you've got it in

795
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:20,840
front of you, page five.
The one-time bonus,

796
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:25,200
the remount, and the sheriff vehicles.
Personally, and I'll just throw this out

797
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,960
there, the remount is one that I don't
know we've got a lot of options on that

798
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,360
one.
>> Correct.

799
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:37,640
» Uh that was put off
because we didn't ever go before the LGC

800
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:41,280
cuz we couldn't get the finance numbers
all together

801
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:45,920
to ask for it to be financed.
>> And we don't know how long it may take

802
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:48,400
to get back before the LGC, so if
>> Right.

803
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:51,640
» asked to go ahead and purchase it now, I
think it would be wise to do so.

804
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,680
» Okay.
Is it the consensus I'm going to just

805
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,960
say is the consensus of the board to do
pay for the remount?

806
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:07,360
I don't see a no, so I'm saying it's the
remount will stay.

807
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,720
» Okay.
>> Yes, sir.

808
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,520
Yes, sir.
>> It It went You said it went before the

809
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,560
LGC?
>> It didn't ever get that. We didn't have

810
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:24,000
our financial house in order and it's
still not in order to get this.

811
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:28,960
» So it wasn't denied. It never got to
>> It never got to never got to. It was

812
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:33,280
scheduled and then they said you can't
come cuz you don't have everything where

813
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:37,640
it needs to be. So now we didn't did we
never got in front of them so to speak.

814
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:41,360
All right. So we're good on the
ambulance remount.

815
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:45,720
All right, let's go with the sheriff's
vehicles next then.

816
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:50,440
Yesterday it was proposed we could do
10.

817
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:53,880
Scaled it back a little bit to six. I
think listening to the sheriff few

818
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,200
moments ago
he's grateful for whatever we can do as

819
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:01,240
far as vehicles go.
I'm sure he would like to have a whole

820
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:04,640
new fleet of vehicles but of course we
can't do that.

821
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,280
What's the board's feeling on these six
vehicles?

822
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:15,680
» I think I mean it's been
Melissa 2 years.

823
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:18,720
» Cuz we don't have any you know in for 27
so it'll be two cycles.

824
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,440
» Yeah.
Um

825
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:26,080
and I thank you for all your hard work
on putting these numbers together. I I

826
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:32,120
think um
I wish we could do 10 but

827
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,120
I have enough I'll go with six.

828
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:40,880
» Any other comments, concerns, questions?
>> I'll I'll go with I'll go with the six

829
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:45,600
but also
feel like there's a lot of people

830
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:47,840
driving these sheriff cars home. I know
that

831
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:52,000
I I know this that you know they're on
call this stuff but

832
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,400
I don't I don't agree with I think it
could be cut back.

833
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:58,200
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

834
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:02,160
I'm fine with the six but like
was it last meeting or meeting before

835
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:06,800
last I told you after budget time I
wanted to look at this county vehicle

836
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:09,360
policy as to who's driving them home
and why really.

837
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,200
» So
>> I'm hoping we can dig into that in the

838
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,520
next few weeks.
>> We brought this up and it just seems to

839
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:19,160
never happen, so
I don't know what we can do to change

840
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,160
it, but
Yeah, we got to

841
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:27,520
I won't say we need to rein this some of
these vehicles in, but I think maybe

842
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:32,120
there's some vehicles that are
that should be left on county property.

843
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,840
Let's just leave it like that.
>> I agree.

844
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:40,400
» Is
everybody comfortable with the six? I

845
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,840
know Mr. Pope, you said you were.
>> Yeah.

846
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,600
» Tony?
>> Mr. Chairman,

847
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:50,240
it bothers me great degree that we
cannot lease these vehicles. Here again,

848
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:54,800
we we paying cash,
which could go into our fund balance to

849
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:59,520
get us back healthy again, but that's
just it's just got to be one of our top

850
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:03,920
top priorities after the
budget meetings get over to get back in

851
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:10,680
and get office UAL, get our audits
caught up, and to where we can lease as

852
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:15,640
we used to the ambulances and outfits
and sheriff's vehicles and so forth. But

853
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,760
yeah, I I think it's we we did save that
money and it's a good use for that

854
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,520
money.
>> We are looking at that because we do

855
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:28,360
think that there possibly could be
better savings if we ended up going back

856
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:33,240
to purchasing our vehicles, but in order
to do that,

857
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:39,000
we've got to set up our like a fleet
plan like payment to be able to like pay

858
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:43,320
ourselves to build it up and and I do
think there would be savings there to to

859
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:48,080
look at that, but we've just got to have
time to sit down and and look at that.

860
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,520
» Mr. Oh,
I do understand kind of what you're

861
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:59,240
saying as far as the the county
vehicles, stuff like that.

862
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:03,440
And I guess one thing that I will push
back a little bit on um

863
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:06,040
and not so much pushing back, that was
the wrong word.

864
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,160
Um
when you're looking at sheriff's office

865
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:13,120
vehicles,
what you got to look at is if you got a

866
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:16,560
deputy that's
at home and he's supposed to start his

867
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,880
tour of duty.
Well, if he's driving his personal

868
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,920
vehicle from his house
to the Sheriff's Office

869
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:29,640
and a call comes out in between the time
he leaves home and he gets there,

870
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:33,880
he doesn't I wouldn't be responsible in
my private vehicle

871
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:37,680
to a scene.
Too much liability.

872
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:42,040
Um
there's also issues if if things happen

873
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:45,920
when they check on work before they get
there if they're driving a personal

874
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:49,640
vehicle that they can't address.
So, I think some of that if they're on

875
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:54,320
call in a emergency status, I mean
that's just

876
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:58,600
that's just the nature of the beast. Um
Now, as far as other vehicles within the

877
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:03,400
county, yeah, we probably need to take a
look at it, but um

878
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:06,640
you know, I've seen it to where
um

879
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,800
something happens and they're on the way
and and I'll be honest with you, I don't

880
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:15,680
know of any
any jurisdiction in this state of North

881
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:20,080
Carolina that requires their
officers to drive their personal vehicle

882
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:23,839
to and from work.
>> All right, but my question is how do you

883
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:28,400
feel about the six?
>> Sorry, I'm fine with the six.

884
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,759
Yeah, I'm I'm perfectly fine with the
six.

885
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,440
» Mr. Speaker, Mr. Blake.
>> What?

886
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:36,920
» I'd like to respond to that. I mean
one of my best friends grandfather

887
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:40,319
police and he never had a car to drive
home.

888
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,960
He was a sergeant.
>> I tell you, gentlemen, let's

889
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:47,400
» I just don't understand.
>> Let's

890
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:51,839
And I maybe I should have just kept my
mouth shut. Let's stick on the budget

891
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:54,600
thing and this vehicle thing. We we are
going to tackle it

892
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:58,640
in the next
two months or less.

893
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:00,920
Uh let's get this budget stuff worked
up.

894
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:03,440
» Mr. Blake, how do you feel about the
six?

895
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:07,480
» I think it's a good compromise.

896
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:12,080
» All right, Madam Manager, you're good
with the six vehicles then.

897
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:17,640
» Yes.
>> So, between the vehicles and the

898
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:23,279
ambulance rate, man, if my math is
right, this 626,000

899
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,279
bucks.

900
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:30,600
I think it's right. All right.
>> Uh

901
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:36,600
I know Commissioner Flagler brought up
yesterday about giving employees

902
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:43,359
2 days off.
Uh and we asked finance officer to run

903
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:48,319
those numbers, and he did.
And one thing that didn't cross my mind

904
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:52,960
when it was brought up was
emergency personnel, or the sheriff

905
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:57,680
department, EMS.
You know, if they take off, you got to

906
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:02,680
still got to fill that slot, so to
speak. And more or less, it I guess time

907
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:08,400
and a half. Am I thinking about this
right, finance people?

908
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:10,840
So, that adds cost to it. Go ahead.
Like, am I thinking about that right,

909
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,280
Keith?
>> Correct.

910
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,840
» Okay. Good.
Uh and I talked with the manager this

911
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,920
morning,
and

912
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:24,520
through some discussions that some of
staff had yesterday afternoon, I

913
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:29,480
believe,
uh they came up with this bonus idea.

914
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:37,440
And
the bonus is a non-recurring

915
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:41,160
expense. Am I stating all of this right?
>> Correct. Correct.

916
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:46,000
» Okay, it's a non-recurring expense. So,
if you do it this year, it's not ne it's

917
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,800
not in the budget next year, unless you
want it in there.

918
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:53,160
» Correct. And it's also, you know, not
added to the salary. It's just a bonus.

919
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:57,480
» Exactly. Uh
one question I had concerning that

920
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:03,880
number.
You go back to

921
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,880
page

922
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:12,400
Yeah, find it somewhere. Okay. So, page
two, I think.

923
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:23,840
Full-time down about middle of page
where it says full-time $1,000 each 249

924
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:29,480
bonus We got 249 employees.
The bonus cost 249,000.

925
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,480
That extra
57,508

926
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,600
is what?

927
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:45,680
» So, that's the the FICA retirement
pieces.

928
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:49,760
» But the How much
would the average employee get $800? Did

929
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,120
I see that somewhere? Out of the
thousand.

930
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,240
» Yes.
>> Okay, so that's take home.

931
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,440
» That'd be the take home pay.
>> Yeah, that'd be the take home.

932
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:01,120
» So, they wouldn't be getting a thousand.
And all the taxes above that would come

933
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:04,560
out of the county's coffers, so to
speak.

934
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:08,080
They would only be getting 800.
>> Correct. Yes, after take out for

935
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,800
retirement and taxes.
>> So, that would just that

936
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:15,800
whatever number I quoted 50 some odd
thousand just the county's portion of

937
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,280
FICA and retirement.
Correct?

938
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,280
» Correct.

939
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:27,560
» How y'all feel about the bonus deal?
And I believe and I don't know if you

940
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:33,640
stated it not, Madam Manager, that the
part-time would be limited to those that

941
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:37,880
have 500 hours or more by June 30th.
>> And are active.

942
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,800
» And are Explain to me what a active and
inactive part-time person

943
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:46,400
» You could have had a part-time employee
just making sure that no one who make

944
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:50,200
got 500 hours in is no longer with the
county. Just making sure they shouldn't

945
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:54,880
be in our system or anything. So, it
means they are still a current employee

946
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:58,120
and active on the county payroll.
>> Okay. Okay.

947
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,680
Mr.
>> Yes.

948
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,200
» And they also would it correct me if I'm
wrong from what I heard a while ago they

949
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:12,720
would actually have to have worked
500 hours

950
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:17,040
from June 30th of last year to July
1 of this year.

951
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:21,320
» Yeah, it would be from July 1st of last
year to June 30th of this year.

952
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:26,400
» Okay. So they would have had to have
incurred at least 500 hours if not more

953
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:28,840
to to be eligible for this.
>> Correct. If the board chooses to do

954
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:34,400
that.
>> Right. Um do you know how many

955
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:39,480
would qualify
or would not qualify?

956
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:45,560
» I do not have that exact number. Um I do
know that when Miss Sharp was helping us

957
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:48,840
come with these with the the numbers
um that she said that she did see that

958
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:54,080
there was some in there that only had
like six or eight hours, but I'm not

959
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:57,360
sure of how many. Do you
Okay.

960
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:01,840
I don't know the exact number.
Yeah, she just gave us the maximum so we

961
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:05,160
would know, but um as she and I
discussed we're certain this number will

962
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:09,880
be lowered.
>> Right. So that this number we got not

963
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:13,760
going up if anything is coming down.
>> Right. Exactly.

964
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,760
» Thank you.

965
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:19,640
What's y'all's thoughts?
>> Mr.

966
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,400
» Yes.
>> Um

967
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:26,640
additional compensation for the
employees is one of my main objectives.

968
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:32,920
I didn't see how we're going to do it,
but uh yeah, $1,000

969
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:38,600
amounts to about 2% on average probably
maybe a little bit less increase which I

970
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:41,920
think is that's that's not inflation up
to inflation, but it's certainly better

971
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:47,480
than than zero.
But it concerns me we had to freeze 29

972
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:51,080
other positions to be able to to do
this. I mean, it's going to it's going

973
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:55,720
to affect the departments and so forth.
So, in coming years, we've got to

974
01:14:53,360 --> 01:15:00,280
increase our revenues through economic
development or whatever to where we can

975
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:04,640
have a cola increase next year because
we may not have any savings. So, this

976
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:08,640
may be just a one-shot deal. So, we've
got our work cut out for us the next 12

977
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:12,280
months to get revenues up.
>> Yeah, I definitely do not suspect that

978
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:16,680
you'll have these type of savings at the
end of FY27.

979
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:19,400
» But, I like the idea that we not going
to be taking away from fund balance and

980
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:24,040
we
say, "Okay, these are revenues and these

981
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:27,840
are expenses and we're not going to
exceed the revenue."

982
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:32,840
Well, that's that's healthy. It's just
that we've got to build that fund

983
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:36,840
balance up to where we beyond 11.5 up to
12 plus to where we feel more

984
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:40,280
comfortable. But, yeah, I'm in I'm in
agreement with with that number.

985
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,440
» Any other comments or questions
concerning the

986
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:48,280
bonus
possible bonus?

987
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,560
» Yes, sir, chair.
>> Yes, sir.

988
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:56,800
» County County Manager, so where is these
funds coming from? Is it

989
01:15:52,920 --> 01:16:01,880
» These are from savings in FY26, our
current fiscal year. So, we'll have to

990
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:06,280
come before the board at the June 15th
meeting with a budget amendment to

991
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:12,320
appropriate these funds. But, um they're
savings that we had from FY26

992
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:16,680
um and we had on the previous slide it
gave, you know, from where we did not

993
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:22,680
purchase the vehicles, do the lease
agreement, didn't have to use the

994
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:25,280
uplift, contingency, and vacancy
um

995
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:29,120
salaries that were lapsed. It was a
combination of things that made up this

996
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,400
total.
>> Thank you.

997
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:34,000
» Thank you, chair.

998
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:42,320
» All right. I'll tell you what. Let's see
if this is not a formal vote.

999
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:46,400
Show of hands
of those that

1000
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:52,240
I will say crazy about it but you can
live with this bonus idea that's

1001
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:55,360
managers put before us this afternoon.
You can live with it raise your right

1002
01:16:53,520 --> 01:17:00,880
hand.
I guess I could. Those that couldn't.

1003
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:03,320
When majority
>> 346,000

1004
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,960
» Yes. Yes.
>> versus almost a million

1005
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:13,160
» Right.
So

1006
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:16,960
majority of the board is consensus that
you could do that. All right, we got

1007
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:23,000
that out of the way. What else do we
need to cover today?

1008
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:26,560
I know that we don't have the school
capital outlay yet.

1009
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:46,000
» That's what we went with.
>> Mr. Chairman

1010
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,880
» Yes, sir.
>> We have mentioned to them

1011
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:53,680
numerous times to have this ready for
us.

1012
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:56,120
I don't
>> I agree.

1013
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:59,000
» I don't see it.
Let's panic and over what they have

1014
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:02,360
done.
>> going to panic over it. I can assure you

1015
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:07,320
of that.
It but

1016
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:12,480
I believe it was
two years ago

1017
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:18,800
they didn't get us anything until mid to
late May at all.

1018
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:22,720
Our previous one former manager Mazaros
was here. I believe it's that year.

1019
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:32,560
» Are there any other changes you want to
make to the proposed budget cuz we're

1020
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:36,640
just looking for a final direction from
you all?

1021
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:42,160
» Other than the school capital outlay
that they don't have yet.

1022
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:45,560
I haven't heard this board bring up
anything else.

1023
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:49,800
Uh
you and I both asked yesterday and I

1024
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:54,840
asked today if there was anything and no
one seems I know none of us are happy

1025
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:57,680
with it overall. Well,
>> I understand.

1026
01:18:55,320 --> 01:19:01,000
» specific items, but it's
one that we're going to have to bite the

1027
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:05,280
bullet and live with, I guess.
>> And we'll come back before the board at

1028
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:08,120
the 15th meeting with a budget amendment
for definitely for these items right

1029
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,320
here that are in
>> How are we going to handle the school

1030
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,280
capital outlay?
>> That's what I was going to ask when we

1031
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,000
» Because that's the only outstanding
thing.

1032
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:24,320
» I'm sure
you can be here

1033
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:27,960
after the 15th.
>> The

1034
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:32,440
the 400,000 is already in the budget.
So, you can before you appropriate it to

1035
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:37,160
them, you can ask them to let you know
what they're going to use it for. But

1036
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,160
the 865,000,

1037
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:45,040
um that will y'all can decide that later
because both boards have to agree and

1038
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:50,480
that would be from the lottery funds.
It's not coming out of our budget. That

1039
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:56,440
would be going And we are going to
appropriate 400,000,

1040
01:19:53,200 --> 01:20:00,960
but the 865,000, the only way they will
get that is if both boards agree to get

1041
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:04,200
it out of lottery funds. Otherwise, they
get the 400,000.

1042
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:13,800
» I know you said we can appropriate it,
but is that the same way we did it last

1043
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:18,200
year on the 888?
>> You can still before you give them, you

1044
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:24,440
know, release the funds to them. We just
have to budget for it. You can ask them

1045
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:28,360
to do line by line like you did before
to show you what they're going to spend

1046
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:31,720
the money on. And then if they get the
lottery funds, you know, you You ask to

1047
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,880
see that as well.
>> Okay, but the lottery funds are

1048
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:40,400
something that both boards have.
>> Both boards have to agree upon. So,

1049
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:44,000
that's why I had um sent an email to the
superintendent to let him know that, you

1050
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,000
know, he may want to prioritize because
if both boards not

1051
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,280
you know, agree
that's something they definitely need to

1052
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,920
take a look at.
>> Okay. Okay.

1053
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:58,040
» What What was the total number that we
gave them last year?

1054
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:02,720
» For um I'm going off the top of my head
before the baseline, it was like

1055
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:06,480
$3,078,000
the baseline, and then we appropriated

1056
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:11,000
the 400,000
for capital, and that's the exact amount

1057
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,520
that we're giving them again this year.
>> Okay.

1058
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:17,960
What we're
They won't be able to say that we didn't

1059
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:21,320
if we did that number we didn't cut them
in.

1060
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:24,760
» Right, and he and I mean and he was
here, the superintendent was at the

1061
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:30,280
recommended budget. I've talked to him a
couple of times since, and I also talked

1062
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:33,240
to him on the phone today, and I mean
he's seemed pleased with what he was

1063
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:38,920
receiving.
>> If correct me if I'm wrong, the school

1064
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:44,320
system is the only thing in this county
budget-wise that we did not cut.

1065
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:49,720
» Correct. They are the only ones that did
not receive a reduction.

1066
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,720
» They should be well pleased.

1067
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:57,600
All right, so
with the 400,000 that we can approve

1068
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:02,400
that's in the budget
uh

1069
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:06,440
So, we're not really waiting on anything
from them at this point.

1070
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:11,720
» No, that's up to them how they proceed
on um and then it'll, you know, I would

1071
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:16,080
assume they would come back to discuss
with our board, you know, appropriate,

1072
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:19,320
you know, going for the lottery funds.
>> Okay.

1073
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:24,600
And the board has given you direction on
this

1074
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:28,960
900 and whatever some thousand dollars.
You've got that. Anything else that you

1075
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,760
need as far as putting the budget final
budget together?

1076
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:36,120
All right. So, we don't need to meet on
Monday then. Am I correct?

1077
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:40,040
» You're You're right. We do not.
>> So, you will have a budget ordinance for

1078
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:45,040
us on the 15th?
>> We'll um have the adopted budget we'll

1079
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:49,200
be bringing before the board. Um we'll
have that as well and the budget

1080
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:53,680
amendment for these FY26.
>> That and those That's actually just

1081
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,560
savings from this year
>> Correct.

1082
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,240
» going to make a budget amendment, but
the money will actually be spent until

1083
01:22:57,480 --> 01:22:59,200
20
>> Correct.

1084
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,640
» seven.
>> Yes.

1085
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:04,920
» Okay. All right.
Everybody okay with what we've talked

1086
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:09,560
about?
>> Do we need to uh know this is six

1087
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,600
6:30 meeting?
The 15th.

1088
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,160
» 15th.
>> Do we need to start earlier?

1089
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:21,840
Maybe to put some of this together.
>> It should She should should have

1090
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:24,160
everything pretty well condensed, I
think.

1091
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,480
» And you'll have it ahead of time in your
packets as well.

1092
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:30,280
» Okay.
>> So, cuz it's really um at that point

1093
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,880
it's just the board adopting.
>> Yeah. And we've already had the hearing

1094
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,600
on it
>> Right.

1095
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:36,800
» last Monday, so
>> Right.

1096
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:39,920
» I'm not saying it won't be somebody here
to speak during public comments they're

1097
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:43,600
welcome to, but
uh the hearing for the budget has

1098
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:46,960
passed.
Gentlemen, I appreciate everybody's

1099
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:51,240
input and everybody's work. And like I
previously stated, it's not one that

1100
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:55,240
anybody's crazy about, but it's one I
think we can all live with. And a

1101
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:58,680
special thanks to everybody in finance,
everybody that was involved, manager,

1102
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,760
Ms. Sharp,
Mr. Everett.

1103
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:06,360
Thank all of y'all. Know it wasn't an
easy task, but it was one you got done.

1104
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:10,960
And I believe I told you might have
manager six weeks ago we would get

1105
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:14,920
through this. We would get a budget, so
looks like we've reached that point.

1106
01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:18,000
All right. This time the chair will
entertain a motion to adjourn.

1107
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,880
» So moved.
>> Have a motion from Commissioner Smith.

1108
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:25,480
» Second.
>> Second from Commissioner Rose. All those

1109
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:30,680
in favor let it be known by saying I.
All those opposed.

1110
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,680
We stand adjourned.