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[0:00] Thank you for
[0:10] the beautiful weather that you blessed us with, whether our hearts continue to go out for those that
[0:17] Well, it's property during the flood, father would just ask you for it to be with them and encourage them.
[0:23] Father, we ask you for it to be with family, over in Chicago, where they're signed.
[0:28] We ask you father, just to be with that young man.
[0:31] Father, we ask you for it to be with one of our own commissioners.
[0:34] Let's see if they can receive help this year.
[0:37] Father, just thank you, Lord, for all that you're doing in his life.
[0:40] We ask you for it quick recovery.
[0:43] We're missing and we're looking at them and all the doctors and those that take care of them up
[0:48] We're also looking patting in the family just to just put your arms around them let them know that we're loving and that we're thinking about
[0:55] And we're here for them for whatever they may do
[0:58] If I were asked to go to be with our commissioners tonight, you know, then the wisdom the boldness the understanding that they need to make all the decisions
[1:05] They have before if you're holy man
[1:12] Okay, not in the States of America.
[1:15] It is very lovely with stamps, one nation, and a dollar in it.
[1:20] It is just a little bit of liberty and a dollar on.
[1:22] Please be safe.
[1:50] Mark, would you call the roll, please?
[1:56] Mr. and Thart.
[1:57] Here.
[1:58] Chairman Henry.
[2:00] Mr. Harris.
[2:01] Yes.
[2:01] Mr. Earl Wong.
[2:02] Here.
[2:12] To add if we're looking at possibly moving that into the open up in a public hearing,
[2:16] is
[2:22] that
[2:39] okay with the board, where everyone is here,
[2:44] but we'll bypass that.
[2:48] Now, setting
[2:49] the agenda, so we've got one item to remove, what number was that for us,
[3:13] and then when
[3:13] they had an envelope. And add 9.5.
[3:19] So, clear as my prayer about it. So, we're going to
[3:23] I hope they're gendered with the indexes at 9.2 and 12.3 that had those
[3:31] approval of the North Order, EMC, Boeing drive, a lot of them.
[3:37] That corrects that anything else that I'm missing can have a motion to approve
[3:43] the amended amended agenda.
[3:46] I'll make a motion to approve.
[3:50] All in favour, sir.
[3:52] All right.
[3:53] Thank you.
[3:53] Please help me.
[3:54] Not next.
[3:59] And I get a motion to approve the minutes for me.
[4:04] I would state a team.
[4:06] Make a motion.
[4:07] We approve.
[4:09] I'll second.
[4:10] All in favour, sir.
[4:12] All right.
[4:14] Now we have a presentation.
[4:16] Have you come up?
[4:19] Thank you for being.
[4:27] No, I'm not.
[4:31] That wasn't going to bring it up either.
[4:34] Good evening.
[4:34] My name is Heather Rosner and I serve as the chief executive officer of Bridg Health.
[4:39] I've got some of my team that are going to come up and I'm going to talk about two different programs.
[4:43] Thank you.
[4:45] Okay.
[4:45] You over here.
[4:48] It does.
[4:51] Thank you, Chair, Mr. Henry, and Commissioners for letting us speak.
[4:56] We're really here just to talk and brag about our programs and how we've used it.
[5:00] We realize the funds that the county has supported us with and we wanted to thank you and tell you a few things about some good news, actually, what's happening.
[5:08] I did want to just share again a little bit about our agency because it's complicated,
[5:15] but we began in the community in 1965 to serve those with mental illness and developmental disabilities.
[5:22] And then we were created in legislation as a community service board, CSV in 1994, and then we rebranded to bridge health in 2022 when I became CEO.
[5:36] A community service board is a public corporation.
[5:40] Tell you a little bit about it.
[5:41] It's a public corporation that is an instrumentality of the state.
[5:45] We are the, quote unquote, safety net provider for those with severe persistent mental illness,
[5:51] addictive disease, and those with intellectual and developmental disabilities.
[5:56] This past July set at Bill 535 has recreated community service boards by having the CEOs
[6:04] like myself become employees of the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental
[6:08] Disabilities, DVHDD, as well as looking at our boards in our structure.
[6:14] Thank you for to Commissioner Tharpu is on our board.
[6:21] There are, make sure I've got my slides moving forward.
[6:25] There's an association over all the community service boards across the state.
[6:31] They're called Georgia Association of CSPs.
[6:35] And there are 20 community service boards across the state.
[6:38] and we served at upper left-hand corner,
[6:42] including Katuse County.
[6:45] Calendar year, this past calendar year,
[6:47] we served roughly 4,200 individuals
[6:49] across the Fort County area.
[6:52] We currently have 145 employees
[6:55] and have additional independent contractors.
[7:02] One of the programs, so I wanted to thank you all for
[7:05] and tell you about is our transportation program.
[7:09] If Lisa wouldn't mind coming up, and this program that occurred in December of 2024, when
[7:18] we created an MOU with the county to transport residents of Katysu County to walk a county
[7:25] for accountability court treatment, and that we found that a lot of times I was a barrier
[7:31] to people completing court because it's very intensive and it's quite a distance, and
[7:38] We utilize that funding and prevent presented a driver and vans and got people to the treatment that they needed.
[7:52] We completed 476 trips from FY24 until the end of FY2026.
[8:02] And I wanted to say a little bit about the program, but I wanted to share Lisa Fitzsimmons, who's standing here next to me.
[8:10] She's our transportation coordinator, and she wanted to share a little bit about the program.
[8:14] Since she did most of the work.
[8:17] Hello.
[8:19] I just wanted to touch on what we call a success story.
[8:24] We like to have those.
[8:25] We had a participant that began writing the vehicle for this drug court program,
[8:31] and middle of 2025, and we watched her grow and do all of the things to make her successful.
[8:39] And she graduated the program just recently, just a month or two ago.
[8:43] She was able to get a rural vehicle and be successful and get back located with family and things that nature.
[8:52] So the funding for her to be able to attend this program really, you know, changed her life to the better.
[8:59] So that was a big success for us.
[9:03] And then at her graduation, she was a very complementary of being able to use the transportation and how it really did.
[9:11] Help her get to the goal that she needed to be in to be successful.
[9:16] Yeah.
[9:16] Thank you.
[9:19] Everyone is your fiscal year beginning for folks.
[9:22] I'm just trying to see.
[9:22] July 1st.
[9:24] So we're trending.
[9:25] We'll have more trips.
[9:26] Yes.
[9:26] It looks to be what I want there to understand.
[9:29] I mean, we're trending upwards still.
[9:31] Yes.
[9:31] we have been. Gretchen Neal is here and she's in the back and she's over our drug court and said
[9:41] we really would love to find more participants who may need the transport, but a lot of the time they
[9:47] have their own transportation. Since we already had drivers and vehicles we said hey let's offer
[9:54] this and see if it's helpful and if you all hadn't been at the graduation I mean just to hear this
[10:00] 80th thank her drivers by name and they were there was very touching and I called down immediately and I said, hey, this really, this really, this really, the commissioner should hear because her life's changed because of that money.
[10:13] Another program that I wanted to talk about is our co-responder program, which, excuse the county, supported last year and supporting again this year.
[10:24] Just so you kind of have a background on what a co-responder program is, it's a national standard
[10:32] that trend that pairs a law enforcement officer with a mental health professional to jointly respond to crisis,
[10:39] especially those involving mental illness, substance use or homelessness.
[10:43] They aim to de-escalate situations, reduce arrests and hospitalizations, and connect people back to care that they need.
[10:50] We currently partner with Tuse Towney Sheriff's Office and our current team.
[10:55] I'm just going to ask them to come up here so they don't mind.
[10:59] We've got Deputy Sheriff Shelby Lewis and BrichHealth employees Jeff Roerdink and Lisa Stephens.
[11:09] Lisa is our licensed therapist who supports the team clinically.
[11:14] And we, I'm going to tell you a little bit about the program and then let them say something
[11:20] because they're doing the hard work again.
[11:23] So their shifts are scheduled around higher call times, which right now it's Monday through
[11:29] Thursday, 10 30 to 7 and Friday from 9 to 5.
[11:33] The team provides services across the county, including the city as well.
[11:38] From January 1st to August 21st, 2026, the team followed up on 175 individuals.
[11:46] 118 of them were adults in 57 juveniles of those only two were arrested.
[11:51] Mind you, there may have been warrants involved and does not mean there was mental illness
[11:56] that caused their arrest.
[11:59] There are 16 community service boards operating 33 co-responder teams throughout the state.
[12:07] And the thing about our program is that it did begun in 2021 with Highland Rivers.
[12:14] They were unable to staff the program because staffing is interesting and difficult because
[12:19] it's hard to find a clinical person who's willing to ride in the vehicle with law enforcement.
[12:24] So they struggled to find staff.
[12:26] So we came alongside and we're able to, we've provided a case manager and now we've provided
[12:32] Jeff, who's working on his license, is getting his master's degree.
[12:38] Who he was in the, you were firemen.
[12:42] So he's had some experience, you know, with law enforcement, which is extremely helpful.
[12:47] This team has done very well.
[12:51] And just a slide here.
[12:55] So these slides show the difference between us,
[12:59] we're blue and orange, which are the other co-responder teams across the state.
[13:06] I don't know if you can really even see it, but it will be sent out to you so you can have it.
[13:13] The first slide talks about referral categories and you can see that 61% of the calls are crisis calls that they responded to.
[13:22] 39% are requested by law enforcement for the team to support them, and so they quite often go out when law enforcement contacts them for a situation.
[13:35] The next slide talks about the percentages by population.
[13:40] So most of the time, as I said earlier, it's adults.
[13:44] 79% were adults and then 21% are actually youth and children and the team can go to
[13:51] LIPTs and they can go to the schools and find resources for the families so they're
[13:55] very involved with the schools at times when they need them which is very helpful because
[13:59] they can be a familiar face to these and then this is a percentage of their disposition
[14:07] So, what happens? What occurs with them? It looks as though for this past year, a lot of them
[14:15] voluntarily go to an ED emergency, receding facility or emergency room. As I said, only 1% are
[14:24] arrested. So, most of the time, they're getting back into a program to help them and they're de-escalated
[14:32] at the scene. And we do find that a lot of the individuals come get referred back to the healthcare
[14:40] center. So they might be people we already know. We can look them up in the system and say,
[14:45] well, Mr. Smith, if you haven't had your shot, that you're supposed to have this month. And so,
[14:49] because he's in our electronic healthcare record, he can look up individuals and can back
[14:55] to the services that are what they need to be in and not incarcerated ever.
[15:00] So, it's been very helpful. I'm going to let the team speak and maybe tell a story or something impactful, and then I don't know if
[15:08] Sheriff wants to say anything to.
[15:14] Thank you for meeting with us. So, one individual that comes to mind that we've dealt with probably 20 times since the first of the year.
[15:25] That's a lot of us going out there trying to get him assistance, trying to get him back into
[15:31] services.
[15:33] He was an individual that was service by Bridge Health.
[15:37] However, medications, people say, hey, I don't need to take this medication because I feel
[15:41] good.
[15:42] But that's not how that works, unfortunately, unfortunately, with medical or with mental health.
[15:47] So we managed to reach out to his family member and say, hey, what can we do to help you
[15:54] get him back into services.
[15:56] There was a little snag between Walker County and Katissa County,
[16:01] but I think we managed to work that out.
[16:04] So he's got relative now that are willing to take care of him
[16:08] to help administer the medication that he needs
[16:10] on a regular basis.
[16:12] A lot of times people with mental health
[16:14] will forget to take that medication as well.
[16:18] Did you take, I don't know, so it's one of those things
[16:21] You know, with having a family member that we, you know, said, hey, can we get, get you to kind of help him out, you know, he doesn't have to live with you, but just can you go and assist him with his, with his medications and making sure that he can get, get the services that he will need. So, um, as far as I'm aware, he's been doing really well. I don't think we've seen him in.
[16:45] two or three months now we were going every day sometimes three like we would leave and turn around because he'd gone out the back door
[16:51] And as that the other neighbor's house and we'd be turned around back on and he's child life
[16:56] So sometimes it would be comical like where are you going you know
[17:00] Resource that we heavily on whether it's just getting
[17:08] assistance with guardianship, conservatorship
[17:12] sometimes for a bit of orders for an involuntary committals, but had come to find out that he was actually supposed to have a conservator in a Guardian that had passed three years prior, and he had been without for several years.
[17:24] You can see that's why we kind of were downward of spiraling without his medication because he didn't have him taking care of him.
[17:29] And then we were able to connect that link back and get somebody that was like, hey, you know, I'm willing to be, I'm willing to go through proway and get that same guardianship over him.
[17:37] And now she is almost through the process, but she's in the meantime taking responsibility.
[17:43] I mean, without the paperwork and is helping him with his medication and his daily care and we haven't received one call in probably almost three months.
[17:51] Thank you.
[17:51] Thank you.
[17:52] Because the program and Chair, if you talked about this and I know you'll come back up.
[17:56] We don't want them in our jails, they need the help that they need and they're not going to get it in jail.
[18:00] And so this program, it saves taxpayers money and that's great, but the benefit is as we've got folks getting the health they need.
[18:10] Exactly. Thank y'all for the grind every day and what you're doing because it makes a difference.
[18:14] And that's one of the first time I think you had a rest of the board.
[18:16] I'm actually saying we also work with it. We go to, well, we have it because of the schools been out.
[18:20] We go to everything like a lot of PT meeting if you're aware of what those are for their schools.
[18:25] So I mean, let's just say we're with the kids that would possibly need the most assistance
[18:29] And then the family is going to reach back out to us and that resources that work and we might
[18:34] control something else.
[18:38] But then let's get those up back there.
[18:42] But we've had success through the LLPT meetings too, which is being in front of the families all
[18:46] together in the same position.
[18:47] Because sometimes the task is like getting parents at home while we're working, they're
[18:52] also at work.
[18:53] Trying to call them.
[18:54] It's not as formal.
[18:55] We like to be our first follow-up in-person, laying our eyes on the end of the day.
[18:59] individual or the parents and say, like, hey, we're trying to physically see you and show that
[19:03] you that we actually, we're here in person, like, what can we do for you in person? And then
[19:08] we'll follow up several other times or sometimes, say, what else to kick rocks? And we kick rocks,
[19:13] but for the most part, people are very receptive. Or just have no idea that we exist. And then tell
[19:18] somebody else about it. And that's how we kind of spread with the numbers that we have now.
[19:24] I'm thankful, the board allowed me to serve, and that's why I'm a little bit more involved.
[19:29] Obviously, I'm on the board, and so I get to see all the work that goes in on a daily basis.
[19:34] And all those employees, however, you talk about and all that.
[19:37] It's so needed in our community, and we talk about the fact that mental health, there's more resources needed.
[19:45] But well, tell you, without the resources we have with you guys, we'd be in a real bad shape.
[19:49] So, you know, you're welcome.
[19:54] You're welcome.
[19:55] Yeah.
[19:56] It's good to see you all.
[19:57] We're back here tonight, man.
[20:06] So that's our presentation and again, I just wanted to thank you all for supporting us the way that you have.
[20:14] Well, we've got a little proclamation for you.
[20:16] Yes.
[20:18] I did bring some of our recovery community with us as well.
[20:22] So I'll be moving out of the way.
[20:23] I'm sorry, Chris.
[20:24] I thought we're going to get all the others.
[20:26] Yes.
[20:27] Yes.
[20:27] That's okay.
[20:29] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[20:31] We do have a proclamation for recovery months at Timber 26,
[20:35] whereas recovery from substance use disorders as possible
[20:39] and thousands of Georgians are living healthy, fulfilling lives
[20:42] and long-term recovery, and whereas prevention, treatment, and recovery support services
[20:48] are proven to be effective, helping individuals, families, and communities heal, and
[20:53] thrive.
[20:54] And whereas recovery month provides an opportunity to celebrate the strength and resilience
[20:59] of those in recovery to honor the dedication of service providers and to raise awareness
[21:05] that help is available.
[21:07] And whereas Katusa County in the state of Georgia is committed to reducing stigma, expanding
[21:12] access to care and fostering supportive environments where recovery can flourish.
[21:18] And now, therefore, bear resolve that the month of September is hereby recognized as
[21:23] recovery month in Katusa County, Georgia, and all citizens are encouraged to support
[21:28] individuals on the recovery journey and to promote understanding of substance abuse disorders
[21:33] and treatable health conditions.
[21:36] So, resolved this first day of September, 2026 to the County Board of Commissioner.
[21:42] I haven't been to any states yet, so I want to submit some of the individuals from the recovery community right here.
[21:49] Yeah, please bring them up.
[21:50] If I've got something to say, we'd love to hear.
[21:51] I don't know if you all want to say anything.
[21:57] Good evening.
[21:58] My name is Donna Spigle and I am the CEO of Unified In Recovery that's located on Highway 27.
[22:05] in Lafayette, Georgia. We are an RCO, which is a recovery community organization, and I just want
[22:11] to say thank you very much to the Katusek County Commissioners for bestowing the honor of letting
[22:18] me represent not only unifying recovery, but other community resource and recovery organizations
[22:25] and agencies because it's very important that we help people who are in recovery and we help
[22:30] So she had to come and recovery.
[22:32] So on behalf of all of us, thank you very much.
[22:36] And it is very nice to be able to let the people in our community know that not only
[22:41] are they not alone, but there is hope.
[22:54] Don't be bashful.
[22:55] Kelly is our DECO disease director and she also oversees our accountability court treatment
[23:01] program.
[23:02] And I was a little late because I was coming from working with Fayette and there was a wreck
[23:05] a pretty bad wreck.
[23:06] So you'll be aware of that.
[23:08] if you were speeding up, right, yourself out there as well.
[23:11] I did look at my phone to see where I was going,
[23:15] but I made it, I made it when I was...
[23:16] I wish you didn't test it, it's okay, as I had first test.
[23:19] That's it, it's good.
[23:20] I've eyes up.
[23:22] Absolutely, no hands, I have all the problems.
[23:25] I've been doing this work for about 15 years now,
[23:28] 13 of it with bridge.
[23:32] And when I hear that proclamation,
[23:35] I actually get a little tear-eyed because I have seen those changes happen in the time that I've
[23:43] been working with bridge. And I just want to say thank you for your continued support, thank you
[23:49] for inviting us here. I say all the time, we do recover. And what I want to say is we recover
[23:58] together. And Georgia is recovering and you guys are part of the force for that. And I really
[24:06] appreciate that. And I happen to be from the north so when I say you guys it's not. It's not
[24:10] a guy that is. I probably should say y'all, but I shouldn't. But again thank you so much and please
[24:19] if there's anything we can do reach out because we want to make this community better. And let me
[24:27] to say, I've got to say it really quickly.
[24:29] I came from in the north, I ended up when I was 13 years old,
[24:32] living on San Mountain from Detroit.
[24:36] We won't talk about that.
[24:37] But anyways, I ended up living on San Mountain,
[24:39] graduated in 1987 from Northwest Georgia High School,
[24:43] which is Dave County, which is now one of my archachment area.
[24:48] And I think we were actually rivals in school,
[24:51] but we won't talk about that part.
[24:52] So, but the moral of the story is, these are my people.
[24:56] and you are my people, and we are serving.
[25:00] Our people together. So I'm going to shut up now, but we do recover. Thank you.
[26:49] He learned all this.
[26:53] He learned all this.
[26:58] I was saying,
[27:06] I wasn't here either one of you.
[27:08] Normal sized people.
[27:17] Okay.
[27:17] Let's
[27:29] move on to Jason Buck.
[27:39] Jason here.
[27:44] Jason here.
[27:48] Mr. Nulls.
[27:49] Yeah, that's nice.
[27:50] We were looking for two here.
[27:52] I'm looking for that.
[27:53] Jason Buck.
[27:56] Okay.
[27:58] Okay.
[27:59] Joseph knows, I'm all in that.
[28:09] I rented a building for a sink. I'm going to hold a meeting.
[28:14] I left a coffee for Thursday night, so I was one of my hold a meeting up here at the
[28:20] Boyington Building for a sink tonight. I'd like to show up. I have a left a coffee is over here for everyone.
[28:25] If you can, it will be nice. What I've been doing over 15 years have been on the
[28:31] And our Republican former government is what I'm trying to convey for the people to stand up and reclaim our government as it's supposed to be.
[28:44] And I've mentioned before that we're being governed as a democracy.
[28:47] We was just, we was taught there.
[28:50] We've not been taught how to be a really a Republican former government, a representative form.
[28:59] I don't like Mr. Warner. He's great. I've called him 18 times. He entered a phone two or three.
[29:08] And the last time, and I've heard this from Vice Commissioner, the State representative, excuse me.
[29:13] And also a U.S. representative, and the State Senator also heard the same thing.
[29:18] Well, let's have lunch. You cannot discuss. You can't go out to lunch and really discuss.
[29:26] the amount of deception that we've had in our government.
[29:29] It just thing will happen.
[29:30] I have two white boards that I've set up.
[29:33] It's been, I've had them for about four years or started
[29:35] to get danger in everything.
[29:37] I didn't want to erase them and redo them because
[29:39] don't write as good as I used to.
[29:42] And so they look better danger than they would,
[29:45] by the way.
[29:46] But I'm holding a meeting Thursday night.
[29:49] And I only take about an hour,
[29:50] hour and a half, something like that,
[29:52] probably for the meeting.
[29:53] and anyone wants to stay and volunteer to help so we can get together.
[29:59] You can only get something done.
[30:00] If the people stand as a group, one person ain't going to get nothing. I can tell you the truth all day in the world, but if it's not something you used to, you're not going to believe it. And that's, I found that out, we're right in the book. The book, nobody believes the book. It's correct, pretty much all correct, but I understand it. My own family member said, I don't think so. Why would I expect anyone else to believe it? But I'll give, like, six phrases in the Constitution, we'll run a
[30:29] through them, you read them yourself, I read them, and I'll go through it what I found out
[30:35] in the last 15 years that I was shocked. I couldn't believe why we would have received the first
[30:41] time from George Washington. Second time was the 17th Amendment and 1913. And you just probably
[30:48] wouldn't believe this. It's going to surprise you when you see it. You read it for yourself,
[30:53] I'll show you what it means, explain a representative form of government, and I can do it in
[30:58] hour and a half, and then you decide whether you think it's right, you know, we got a lot
[31:04] of good elected representatives, we got a lot of good people in government, but they get
[31:10] a lot of plaque, you're doing this wrong, you're voting for taxes when we die, nobody's
[31:16] going to get everything, they just not going to happen. I won't ever thank free, but that's
[31:22] ridiculous to think of that. If you don't pay for it, ain't nothing free in this world,
[31:26] You know, I mean, I don't know, I'm just rambling right now right now, but anyway, I do
[31:33] want to, I would like to give a presentation. Also, I'm taking a copy of the active members
[31:38] of the recruiters from Shawford Road. They've told me that they would be a meeting, so as I
[31:42] said, so I'm going to the National Guard, the Marines, the Air Force, and the Marines,
[31:51] and maybe it's saying me anyway.
[31:54] But they said that they would show up to the meeting.
[31:57] The Marines, they said, oh no,
[31:58] we don't know the Constitution.
[31:59] They have no clue.
[32:01] I was in the military.
[32:02] I've reached most of all, but I had no clue.
[32:04] I spent five years in, and I can talk,
[32:08] I've talked to military personnel, above Chicago,
[32:12] down south Florida, different places.
[32:14] I went to military base.
[32:15] I said, let me answer your question about the Constitution,
[32:18] to say, oh, I don't know if I can answer it, I'll try to, but they don't know the Constitution.
[32:25] You got to know how to read it, and it's a contract, and everything's in phrases.
[32:31] And if you knew how to dissect that phrase, you'll say, why did we not see this before?
[32:36] We got smart people in this world. We got attorneys, smart attorneys, but they don't read it
[32:41] contract, they just read through it, and it's over with. So if you can come to the meeting,
[32:47] I rented it, and I'll do what I can, and I'd like to see something come out of it.
[32:51] We need a Republican form of government back. We got a lot of good elected officials. We got
[32:56] a lot of good people in government. We got some bad ones. Congress, Congress is a mess. You can
[33:03] fix Congress. If Trump knew the Constitution, he fixed Congress in one day, one speech. All
[33:09] This act for voting thing everybody, he's trying to find it, he tries to just fuck it.
[33:18] The people y'all would want to pass this, voting and take, you won't take, everybody won't
[33:22] say it. It'd be so easy. I'm out of time.
[33:26] Thank you, thank you.
[33:27] Thank you.
[33:28] Thank you.
[33:29] Thank you.
[33:30] Thank you.
[33:31] You have a good day, sir.
[33:32] Thank you.
[33:43] It's Joey.
[33:52] Joey, I was thinking about you when the mental health and the addiction and all.
[33:57] We've got a little. Yes, we do. We have a connection.
[34:08] Thank you.
[34:13] Please point that out, sir.
[34:16] He's doing well, by the way.
[34:18] I spoke to him last week, so he's doing great.
[34:22] I just need a quick moment, please.
[34:24] I believe in a previous meeting you had approved a surplus for Gavdeals for the Colony and we've missed one autumn and it is a piano that we've acquired several years ago for one of the plays, the in-house play productions and it's still in great shape and we would like to have your approval to add that to the surplus list.
[34:55] So, can I get a motion to this edge?
[34:58] So move.
[34:59] Second.
[35:04] We get a roll call vote.
[35:09] Yes.
[35:10] Chairman Henry? Yes.
[35:12] Mr. Harris? Yes.
[35:13] Mr. Long? Yes.
[35:16] Thank you.
[35:18] Thank you.
[35:23] Mr. Wood.
[35:24] Item 0.3.
[35:30] Chairman, commission.
[35:32] So this item is for the proposed bit of ward for the 2025-0-3 not sure
[35:37] traffic circle project. Invitations to bid were posted on July 22, August 5, 2026. Bids
[35:46] were open on August 20, 2026, a 2 p.m. local time with five submissions received and evaluated
[35:52] by county staff and CTI engineers. The lowest responsive and responsible bidder was a packet
[35:58] Atlantic Incorporated, doing businesses' tally construction, with a bid of $1,656,976
[36:08] and 21 cents.
[36:10] The second lowest bid, submitted by Wilson Construction Management LLC, was $1,707,403.
[36:19] This was a difference of $426 and 79 cents.
[36:25] CTI has verified tele-constructions qualifications and confirmed past satisfactory performance
[36:31] on comparable projects.
[36:33] Based on this review, CTI recommends that the county proceed with awarding the project
[36:38] to tele-construction.
[36:40] Funding for this project will be provided through 2019's boss funds.
[36:44] Can I
[36:47] get a motion to the President?
[36:50] I'll make a motion.
[36:50] We approve.
[36:55] Thank you.
[36:56] Ms. Hannah?
[37:00] Ms. Sarthart?
[37:01] Yes.
[37:02] Chairman Henry?
[37:04] Ms. Sarthart?
[37:04] Yes.
[37:05] Ms. Sarthart long?
[37:06] Yes.
[37:10] Or to say in this one.
[37:20] But in F.A. represented,
[37:22] counting roger we don't have a name right down here.
[37:37] Good evening, everyone.
[37:41] We're back today to discuss the amendment
[37:44] to your stop loss contract. There was an approval when we initially reviewed your information.
[37:52] It was in an illustrative quote. We did firm up those numbers with the stop loss vendors and
[37:58] they did come back with some changes which included adding a couple of lasers and some additional
[38:05] liability to the stop loss contract which there's still savings that's there but it's not
[38:12] quite as much as the savings that we initially,
[38:15] that we showed previously.
[38:19] I need a motion to do something that's all we can have
[38:23] in this guest and
[38:27] I'm a proof or
[38:35] make a motion.
[38:36] I'm like a motion to approve, okay.
[38:38] I'm gonna say it down.
[38:41] I'll say I can prove the point of discussion.
[38:44] Oh, I guess we're all gonna ask the same question
[38:47] that I don't think none of us remember
[38:50] and illustrate the, we don't normally vote on the illustration.
[38:54] We vote the members of the facts.
[38:55] So I don't think no one here recalls it that way.
[38:59] And we definitely didn't vote on any of our employees,
[39:01] yet in the laser processing, crazy.
[39:06] So can you explain how we got here and why?
[39:09] Yes, sir.
[39:10] So when we got some additional claims information from U.H.C.,
[39:14] it showed that there were some additional high-cost
[39:17] claimants that, and then also some ongoing claimants with illnesses, I won't mention here,
[39:25] but some of them are determined to be chronic illnesses that were included.
[39:29] That were not previously made aware of to the stop loss provider.
[39:34] So once they got that information, their underwriters reviewed and reassess the numbers,
[39:40] and that's when they came back with the lasers.
[39:51] Yes, sir. And with the timing of the claims data that was provided, it was late getting from
[39:59] 8c2, all of them.
[40:02] That's the reason why we didn't have those firm quotes, where we were looking at those truly finalized numbers.
[40:10] When did you get the firm quotes?
[40:14] We got the information, the claims information around the first of June, and then that takes about five to turn business days for them to provide us with the firm numbers.
[40:25] And when was our staff that passed?
[40:29] I mean, well, once we got the firm numbers,
[40:32] we went back to negotiation based on the information
[40:35] because what they initially released
[40:37] was even higher number of liability.
[40:41] So we went back to those stop loss providers
[40:43] and was renegotiating with them in June
[40:46] through the end of July.
[40:48] And at the end of July, we reached out.
[40:50] I'm sorry.
[40:51] We reached out in August to the staff to share
[40:54] that we had the final stop loss quote from Tim the policy from TMHCC took you
[41:02] Marie I'm not I'm looking at my staff I'm thinking that they didn't get that
[41:06] man though yeah I'm wondering who who did you reach out to in August I believe the
[41:11] way that occurred was or accounts payable for
[41:17] required about why we hadn't received that invoice for the stop-loss policy.
[41:24] Correct.
[41:25] And that's what triggered that now, I guess in addition to that question, I have is if you
[41:36] received the updated information for the March claims data in the first of June and then
[41:43] you should have gone back to all of the stop loss companies because they all was operating
[41:50] on the previous loss-right-shadows numbers and those types of our claims experience.
[41:57] So, and then when you did, I think at that point in time, those numbers should have been
[42:02] brought to us so that we could share with the Board of Commissioners to have to approve it
[42:08] because it's obvious by the spreadsheet that you've provided once I asked for it on June,
[42:13] I mean August the 26 or 28, that there are other carriers that have a lower fixed
[42:21] cost for the stop loss that did not include lasers, which would not have increased our
[42:27] liability, which is, I mean that's going to be a lower cost.
[42:33] Yes, they're in T. We don't know about the hypotheticals of claims and we can all come up with a different methodology on how to predict those claims.
[42:44] But those claims are going to be paid by the county as long as it's under $150,000.
[42:52] Correct. So just for clarification, we had to get claims through April 30th instead of through March 35th.
[42:59] OK, well, we were told last week when we had the NFP virtual meeting.
[43:06] Am I correct, Ms. Laura and Rachel, that it was March's numbers.
[43:11] Am I thinking right?
[43:14] That's what we were told.
[43:15] It was March's numbers.
[43:17] And we couldn't figure out why it would take all the way to June to get March's number.
[43:21] But regardless, when those numbers were provided,
[43:28] that stop-law should have been shopped based
[43:31] on those actual numbers to the stop-laws company,
[43:35] and those results should have been given to the county,
[43:38] so we would have had some opportunity.
[43:42] Correct.
[43:42] So I will say in what happened was that when we did
[43:46] get the April through April numbers, we did shop
[43:49] with all the, all the stop loss menders.
[43:52] We did go back to that exhibit that we shared with you last week.
[43:57] It does show all the other stop loss menders at the time to see what they were able to do.
[44:02] We did work, and as I mentioned before, to negotiate, to get the stop loss back to what we
[44:07] initially showed the county that was approved.
[44:11] That was the benefit, that's part of our consulting, that is part of our promise to you all.
[44:17] If we know that we're going in with an approved approval from the Council members, we're going back to those stop-loss vendors,
[44:25] carrier partners, whomever, and we're staying within the guidelines and within what was approved.
[44:31] So that was our argument back to them to try to get them to bring it back down to what we initially showed you all.
[44:38] We did not want to show you something that wasn't honest, wasn't transparent.
[44:42] even though those initial numbers were not the finalized numbers.
[44:47] Normally the stop loss vendor may come back with,
[44:50] normally they'll come back with a slight increase,
[44:53] or maybe a laser here or there,
[44:55] that they're willing to work with us.
[44:56] They came back with initially eight lasers.
[44:59] So there were eight...
[45:00] Eight people that they were trying to carve out of the initial stop loss of that $150,000. So we did go back and renegotiate with them, show them accurate data, talk to them about, okay, these conditions, they're not ongoing.
[45:16] These conditions are not something that you should be lasering out and providing that liability to the county.
[45:23] They're not, this individual was more than likely not going to reach this limit because their treatment plan is saying they're going to conclude it by that timeframe.
[45:32] So we didn't want to show you something that wasn't accurate in our even in with them farming up those numbers.
[45:40] So even in our negotiations, we did not go and lay down and just take what was given to us and say, okay, these are not farm numbers.
[45:49] This is not what the county was had approved.
[45:52] We did talk to them on numerous occasions.
[45:55] We escalated it up within TMHCC along with our internal
[46:00] and executive teams at NFP.
[46:03] So we got everyone that we could involve to bring it down
[46:06] to where it should be.
[46:08] Unfortunately, they weren't able to match that illustrious quote.
[46:12] And we want it to be honest and transparent with the county.
[46:15] We weren't just going to send you a contract that was incorrect.
[46:18] We wanted to make your team aware that HR team, the finance team aware of it, our timing was very poorly.
[46:27] I will say very poorly executed.
[46:30] We probably could have shared it a lot sooner as we were going through those negotiations.
[46:35] So on that part I do apologize, but I'm never going to apologize for fighting for doing the right thing.
[46:41] I'm never going to apologize for being honest and bringing forth what we initially,
[46:46] But what was initially approved and trying to get back to that number and ensuring that the savings are still greater than what the renewal came from UACC?
[46:55] Well, the savings were still greater than a number of the other carrier partners.
[47:02] Well, I think we all would have a lot to do in part of that conversation early around.
[47:06] Yes, sir.
[47:06] That's what needs that
[47:09] was a change in what you all presented as accurate numbers that we should know in time to be able to make decisions otherwise.
[47:16] I don't think one of us out here wants to approve this as Clayton Cal, when we're already
[47:25] going to do that.
[47:26] They obviously already didn't have a threat.
[47:29] I'm interested in getting any more involved.
[47:30] Well, I'm looking at the spreadsheet that you guys provided to us.
[47:34] First of all, thank you for acknowledging the time lag and everything.
[47:39] I appreciate that.
[47:41] It seems like now we're kind of trapped where we're at, but there were other options that
[47:46] I'm looking down here, like Berkshire Hathaway as an option, there were other options
[47:51] available to us and correct me from wrong that we could have pursued, but now the window
[47:56] is closed, I've been told, so all of a sudden those options that would have put us in a lower
[48:01] cost are not available to us, is that true and accurate?
[48:06] Yes, that is true and accurate, I will say we were working from the understanding that
[48:10] what was budgeted was based on actuarial numbers and not what was here that was presented as well.
[48:18] So that was that would bid on our era because we were thinking that we presented the stop loss.
[48:24] These are the expected claims, but we also was projecting to budget a little higher than what was
[48:29] presented. So if there were any discrepancies or any questions that came, then we would still fall
[48:35] within your budget at guidelines.
[48:38] And my understanding is we missed it by just days.
[48:41] We're not talking weeks.
[48:43] If we had this conversation, for instance, last week,
[48:46] we would have had these options available
[48:47] where we could have pivoted and maneuvered
[48:50] to save taxpayers' money.
[48:53] And that's the disappointing thing for me,
[48:54] is because now we're boxed in.
[48:56] And we've got an escalator cost that we didn't,
[48:58] as a board agreed to.
[49:00] But we had options, had we been made aware.
[49:06] that's hard to swallow. That's real hard to swallow. And that's, you know, in the business
[49:12] world, you know, I have to eat cost all the time, right? If I make a mistake and I build houses,
[49:18] if I make a mistake to a customer, if it's my own mistake, I've just got to own it, right? That's
[49:24] just part of business. And that's kind of where I'm at with this. It's like, we as a board, and
[49:29] we as a county, we didn't do anything wrong in my opinion. And then all of a sudden we're stuck
[49:33] cost that wasn't anything on our in for poor communication or things along the way in the business
[49:39] world those are cost to get eaten by the person that that cost mistake and I don't know where
[49:46] it's going to go from here but I'm sure not happy and I've got to answer taxpayers and why
[49:51] things didn't get done right and I appreciate again the fact that you you know came forward and said
[49:57] you know, we had some timeline issues.
[49:59] Absolutely.
[49:59] Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.
[50:00] But now the sudden it's costing our taxpayers and the people we represent money. And that's something that we've got to try to try to remedy.
[50:08] And I would like to know if there's a zero way to remedy that.
[50:12] Well, I will say that we have exhausted all of our options with negotiations.
[50:19] We have escalated as I mentioned it earlier on. They're unfortunately at this point in stage in the game because we are a couple of months into your new plan year.
[50:29] We are set for the contract as is at this point in time.
[50:35] So we really have no, I mean, it's a work.
[50:40] We answered to our taxpayers and say,
[50:44] we screwed up and we cost you more money than we should have cost you,
[50:48] or answered our employees and say you don't have insurance.
[50:51] So we don't have a really good.
[50:53] What I'm, I understand, we are boxed in.
[50:58] I understand that we've got to be looking forward to the next renewal and I'm asking this.
[51:05] You guys a partner with us that look at every single option and look at working with us as a partner.
[51:13] I mean, you're the insurance experts.
[51:15] We're not.
[51:16] That's why we contract with you.
[51:18] And I'm assuming you make an amount of money for the work you do of going through all this.
[51:25] and I know it's a lot of work, and again, you know, you're standing up in front of us, and you know what I appreciate that, you know, this is not an email, oops, you know, you're standing here, and that, that is not unnoticed, I appreciate your honesty, appreciate the fact that you take this serious, but I'm asking, moving forward if we maintain you guys, I mean,
[51:55] Is this something that we're going to run into next year?
[51:58] I mean, are we going to get the diligent, hardworking,
[52:04] communicative company that says, here's every landmine out there.
[52:12] And we know about those landmines.
[52:13] So you guys don't, we're going to tell you all about them.
[52:16] That's what I want to make sure that we don't get into this again.
[52:19] And I want to make sure that this higher premium we're having to pay
[52:22] doesn't just become a look they paid it so we're just going on top of that premium now that's
[52:28] the fear I have of these companies going okay that's what they paid last time why would we come down
[52:34] you know I don't know insurance you did so I will tell you we did learn from this era and we have
[52:42] taken measures internally not just our specific office but this was an issue across our entire
[52:50] in a P company where there was this delay, there was these, there was some of these number
[52:56] errors and making sure that firm information was getting in an an a timely manner to our
[53:02] client and that they were getting communicated. So one I can assure you that that will not happen
[53:07] again, that's something we're willing to put into a contract, a performance guarantee, if that's
[53:13] something we need to address at a later time, but there's definitely financial incentive there
[53:19] that we can put up that will guarantee that that level of service will not happen again.
[53:26] Also, to address far as the renewals themselves and moving forward, we do look at all options.
[53:34] That's one of the reasons that we were very thorough this year and not just stick with the renewal that
[53:40] you ate sea release, which was, I believe it was like 24.2% is what you ate sea release their stop loss renewal at.
[53:48] So it was a hefty renewal initially and we weren't, we made sure that we did our due
[53:54] diligence to go and look at other stop loss menders.
[53:58] We understand that every dollar matters to every constituent here, every employee, that's
[54:03] responsible for paying any amount of premium, regardless of what that may look like.
[54:09] So in doing so, we do have a promise of excellence to ensure that we are going to every
[54:15] than they're ever carrier and looking at every option.
[54:18] And we're presenting them to the team appropriately.
[54:22] And we don't just slim it down and not show you anything.
[54:25] We actually was showing all of the other options initially to the team
[54:30] when we first started talking about the renewal itself.
[54:33] And then we started narrowing that down.
[54:35] So we definitely value your feedback.
[54:38] We understand that you are the client.
[54:40] And that these are you and your constituents dollars
[54:43] and we want to be good stewards as well. We don't want to present, I did not want to have to come back here today and have to represent this.
[54:51] And I never want any of my teammates or myself to have to do this again.
[54:56] So we want to ensure that we are presenting all options up front.
[55:00] But we are also making sure that those numbers are concrete and that there is no room for error.
[55:10] Yes, if you don't mind, just let me get a few things off my chair.
[55:17] Before the quote, firm numbers,
[55:20] Burtshar was at 1,000,000,000,000,000. After they got that, they reduced their premium,
[55:32] with no lasers, a 1,000,000, and 31,000.
[55:38] Suisse, before the claims that, 1,200,000. After
[55:46] are they got the claims data?
[55:48] One million in $71,000.
[55:52] Do you see a trend?
[55:53] I think everybody else went down.
[55:57] UHC was 1,646,000 dollars.
[56:05] When they got the new claim data, it went down to 1,216,000 dollars.
[56:12] And all of them, with no additional lasers.
[56:16] But the one we're stuck with, that we could have made a change before yesterday,
[56:26] was at a
[56:26] million in 72,000 when it was presented to this Board of Commissioners.
[56:32] And now it's a million $185,000 and three lasers and $250,000 of additional liability
[56:41] on your back.
[56:43] I think she said eight lasers.
[56:45] Initially it was eight, we negotiated down to three, yes, sir.
[56:48] So you have a trend that tells me that everybody else went down.
[57:00] But I will say to one argument and Commissioner Harris.
[57:05] And that's fixed cost.
[57:06] We can talk, and I'm sorry.
[57:08] We can talk about extra, you know,
[57:12] actuarial type stuff, but this is fixed stuff.
[57:15] This is what we write a check for.
[57:18] The claims we're going to pay, the claims regardless.
[57:22] Because UHC is still going to be the same person that administers our health insurance
[57:27] for our people.
[57:29] They just tell us how much to pay.
[57:39] And if we had an opportunity because your motion back on May the 19th was based upon what
[57:47] you were told, when that information become not so, we should have known about it.
[57:53] So we could have reacted.
[57:54] We could have had a special call meeting Saturday at what any day it would be like that.
[58:01] But I didn't know until just a couple of hours ago that that expired yesterday.
[58:07] And I believe that's a problem.
[58:11] So the only thing else I would say on that component is that we fill that TMHCC or Tokyo
[58:18] Moreno is being very conservative in their numbers and what they're offering in a manner
[58:23] that would not cause an increase or a significant increase next year. Our concern was that the
[58:29] other carrier partners that did come in lower, that did see that same claims information,
[58:35] know about those claims and could potentially be trying to show a lower dollar amount now
[58:42] anticipating you all selecting them as a potential carrier partner and then next year you're hit
[58:49] with a 15, 20, 30% increase.
[58:53] So that's also part of our thought process
[58:55] when we're looking at them.
[58:57] We can use those other carrier partners
[58:59] as levers to do some additional negotiation.
[59:02] But when they're holding firm and not moving,
[59:05] we have to ask that question.
[59:07] And we wouldn't want to leave you in a highest situation
[59:11] without asking that question.
[59:14] What is their motive?
[59:15] But is your recommendation act yours?
[59:20] Y'all made it your decision.
[59:22] And we really don't preach that.
[59:24] We take your recommendation,
[59:28] but it's our decision.
[59:29] Yes sir.
[59:29] Y'all left us
[59:43] with a lot of being boxed in.
[59:45] If we don't two days ago, we could
[59:51] have y'all made a decision on behalf of our citizens, that is our board, that is
[59:58] the...
[59:59] Yes sir.
[1:00:03] That's my question. The all work for these companies or the all work for us as a broker because, I mean, it appears to me, and this ain't the first time this is at, with the all's company. We had y'all before when it was another name. We had to drop you then and get somebody else because y'all didn't work for us and represent us, and it appears we're not back in the same boat.
[1:00:28] And I mean, I've, I'm the granddaddy of the group.
[1:00:32] I mean, I've been here for 15 years.
[1:00:34] And I mean, and so I remember them days.
[1:00:36] And I mean, and I was promised.
[1:00:38] If you all get us, this will never happen again.
[1:00:41] This is, we reorganize the company.
[1:00:44] And here we are in the same boat.
[1:00:47] And I don't think I've ever approved anything myself.
[1:00:51] And I don't think this board has a sanction
[1:00:54] of how much it is going to be.
[1:00:56] We approve a dollar amount because our auditors and the state of Georgia makes us
[1:01:03] Approved something they want to see if see everything that we've approved and it needs to be that amount
[1:01:09] Especially when it's hundreds of thousands more
[1:01:12] I mean, it's I'm very disappointed
[1:01:15] And I understand that and I mean and I'm whiteed whiteed till the day after
[1:01:22] I mean, that's
[1:01:24] That's
[1:01:25] things all over in my opinion that I mean it sounds like a set up where they can't do anything
[1:01:32] about it so we'll tell them now that this is the deadline's page by one day it just don't look
[1:01:38] good. I can reassure you that we don't work for the insurance carriers or any vendor. We're only
[1:01:46] making recommendations based on the data that's in front of us.
[1:01:55] That's the problem we didn't get the
[1:01:56] We should have gotten pregnant, and we should have been able as a part.
[1:02:02] You know, we brought us one proposal and said, this is it.
[1:02:06] You can't believe I guess. That is not bad.
[1:02:09] If we would have heard this one is lower.
[1:02:12] But here's why we think it's lower.
[1:02:14] We think they're setting you up for a future or whatever.
[1:02:18] Yes.
[1:02:18] And we could have made a decision.
[1:02:19] And we could have said, well, let's roll the dots and go with it.
[1:02:22] We've got a year lower premium.
[1:02:24] Then we'll shop it. All we could have said no, we take care, we trust you. We know what you said.
[1:02:31] You know, again, I'm disappointed that we found this out.
[1:02:35] It's like, you know, when a warranty, you go get a warranty claim on your washing machine.
[1:02:41] They're like, well, that warranty ran out yesterday.
[1:02:45] No, such would be you.
[1:02:46] Now that's just how I'm feeling. I'm disappointed that we did not get time.
[1:02:52] time, and we wouldn't be having this conversation, and we had this been communicated to
[1:02:58] these folks over here two days ago, we could have had an emergency meeting, let's do this,
[1:03:04] let's hurry up and meet, we've got to do this, we've got to, we do that all, we get
[1:03:08] timelines all the time, but, you know, I appreciate you being here and again, I appreciate
[1:03:15] you standing here, I don't know that you will be next year,
[1:03:21] but because these things
[1:03:22] I can't continue to happen, and you know, in you acknowledge this was company wide in your company, so apparently other people had problems too, but this is completely disappointing and I don't know where we go from here, I mean to me, we've got pretty much nothing we can do but we're forced to vote on it, we've got to have an insurance for our employees.
[1:03:49] And that was my question, do you, what, why do if we voted it down, what, what would happen?
[1:03:58] So, if you voted it down, then there would be no stop loss in place.
[1:04:01] So, any claims that come in, whether it's up to 100 or 150,000, the county would be responsible for all of those claims.
[1:04:12] And the laser would go away on those, those three employees because they wouldn't pay nothing.
[1:04:19] So if you had no stop loss, that means you're fully exposed to, so if you had a million dollar claim,
[1:04:28] then the county would be responsible for paying that full million dollars, whereas with stop loss being in place,
[1:04:34] it goes up to that stop loss limit of the $150,000 dollars.
[1:04:39] So both of you understand the market, or you tell me that there's no company, there's no stop loss company.
[1:04:50] that's going to be interested in us other than T.
[1:04:57] Well, what we're saying is because-
[1:04:59] It's a bright name.
[1:05:00] Correct, because in order to retroback to 7-1 to your coverage start date, so if there has been any claims in July and in August that have hit that stop loss reimbursement, you can go out and get other stop loss claims, they just won't cover those couple of months that you have that additional exposure.
[1:05:21] Correct, there is an option, just being transparent and fully honest, it's just in order to go back to 7-1 we would have to approve.
[1:05:29] the Tokyo Marine contract. I mean, if our employee had to reach out for an invoice, we wouldn't
[1:05:38] know nothing about it anyway.
[1:05:42] So... Yeah, so on these numbers, you have me thinking here.
[1:05:47] So you can't go back two months, right? But how much liability are we, our
[1:05:52] in other words, is what we're forced to pay, less or more, than the liability we take on by those two
[1:05:58] months. Have y'all looked at that. In other words, you know, is it worth us looking out and
[1:06:05] saying this is going to happen, but we've incurred this. But that is going to be less than
[1:06:10] what you're going to get in a premium by doing that and not just taking what you're forced
[1:06:14] to take.
[1:06:14] Because it'd be hard for one of the lower, one of the lower cost stop loss company to eat up
[1:06:22] more than that too much. I would imagine.
[1:06:24] So I would just say you do have some individuals that are being laser that have chronic
[1:06:30] conditions and they are taking very expensive meds as well as they are receiving
[1:06:36] the expensive treatment.
[1:06:38] So if they could potentially reach 50 or $60,000 in claims in a single month.
[1:06:47] Then it's the way we always do. We've been it out every year, right?
[1:06:53] Yeah. So I mean, if like you said earlier, if somebody that wasn't counting on them three
[1:07:00] people or eight people, however many of their were, then if they did go up next year,
[1:07:07] we're going to be re-bending it out and surely whoever was representing us as a broker would
[1:07:13] with the out of all of them, say 10 or 12 people that that might do it. We could always
[1:07:20] move it. I mean, we're not locked into them, but for a year. So, so we can, I mean, there
[1:07:25] was companies that didn't use it after it showed up and they didn't red flag them. So, we
[1:07:34] could always move it next year, just like we moved it this year, we thought with the best
[1:07:40] there's nothing we can do there's no outside the box thanking and please I mean you're
[1:07:45] welcome to come up as well I mean you present every year that I've been here and you do
[1:07:51] well of that so I don't know that she needs to necessarily be at the mic by herself but
[1:07:55] I think I'll take out a baby but but it's in the day there's just nothing we're boxed in
[1:08:03] I mean there's no outside thinking there's nothing else we could do to try to limit what we're
[1:08:08] the worst upon, is that makes sense to you?
[1:08:11] It does,
[1:08:15] but with everything that we've gone back with them removing some of the lasers, that
[1:08:21] limited the liability, even with them, with the premium, they actually released a higher premium
[1:08:27] dollar amount.
[1:08:28] We were able to get them to negotiate down there.
[1:08:31] Unfortunately, unless we look at doing a short stop loss period, and then rebitting
[1:08:38] out mid-year because we can do that.
[1:08:40] Like I mentioned, my concern is that there's two months
[1:08:43] that there's exposure to the county and liability.
[1:08:47] I'm not for sure of what that looks like specifically right now.
[1:08:50] I just know the high cost claimants that do have those chronic conditions
[1:08:54] that have left the county exposed at this point.
[1:08:58] Well,
[1:09:04] I know in any way,
[1:09:13] and we can help.
[1:09:15] I mean, if we can get the data, I mean, we'll run it through some other agencies
[1:09:20] to try to get it, get a better price.
[1:09:23] I mean, what I'll think that was two months of stock loss, we still might come out better
[1:09:27] for a year of lower premiums versus, let's just take it and tell them what it's at.
[1:09:32] The only thing is the current contract that's been released, it will expire before that
[1:09:38] two week period. That's what we're running up against.
[1:09:42] Well, we wouldn't even be here if we had a college. That's another community.
[1:09:47] Well, I will say we were working on scheduling a meeting internally.
[1:09:51] It's just, it just so happens your person called us before we call to and I have the email communications that I could show you
[1:10:00] We were definitely planning to bring this before the team. It's just unfortunate, as I mentioned before, with the timeline and the timing, we were not able to get to you all before him.
[1:10:14] Yes, sir.
[1:10:15] You all have new these numbers for months. Correct?
[1:10:20] I mean, yes, I don't want to hear excuses. I don't want to hear the facts of why y'all didn't let us know when let us get a day into it.
[1:10:31] Well, it's remedies, right, remedies.
[1:10:34] Look, at the end of the day, we all make mistakes in life.
[1:10:37] It's not the mistake that defines you.
[1:10:39] It's only recover from it.
[1:10:41] And so mistakes have been made fine.
[1:10:43] Okay, great.
[1:10:43] We can't go back and change those.
[1:10:44] But now, what's the recovery look like?
[1:10:46] And I think in the recovery situation, which is what we're in now.
[1:10:49] It's all hands on deck and let's come up with some great solutions.
[1:10:52] And let's try to figure out a way to mitigate this.
[1:10:54] And that's what I'm looking at.
[1:10:56] The mistakes have been made great.
[1:10:58] You admit to that, we understand we're at.
[1:11:01] But it's a recovery that's going to define where we're at.
[1:11:04] And it defines you guys as a group, right?
[1:11:06] Because your recovery on this could define whether or not you're standing here at the podium next year or not.
[1:11:10] And right now, to me, that's what's going to matter.
[1:11:13] It's safe. We own up that we made some mistakes.
[1:11:16] But now, here's the recovery process.
[1:11:19] It's not just this is it. We can't do anything.
[1:11:20] Let's go and just pay more.
[1:11:23] What's that recovery look like?
[1:11:24] And I don't think the effort, necessarily, for my perspective, has been put all hands on
[1:11:28] that I can recover yet, and that's what I'd like to see.
[1:11:32] Who wins the Congress?
[1:11:37] The end of this week.
[1:11:38] The end of this week?
[1:11:39] Yes, sir.
[1:11:49] Is there anything possible in that time frame?
[1:11:52] Yes, we can go back to see if, like I said, that we can do a shortened contract, just to cover
[1:11:57] those initial months, that or if there's any other relief that they've missed in the numbers
[1:12:03] when they're looking at any of the fees that are associated with the stop loss contract
[1:12:08] as a whole, we can look at if there is an opportunity to also partner.
[1:12:14] I mentioned UHC because that is your current provider so we can always go back to UHC
[1:12:20] if they have a renegotiated contract that they're willing to issue as well.
[1:12:25] I can't tell you it will probably be later, it would be like a 8-1 or a 10-1 effective
[1:12:31] date.
[1:12:31] It wouldn't go back to 7-1.
[1:12:33] Jennifer,
[1:12:41] what is the last day that we have to make
[1:12:47] it?
[1:12:47] The third Friday,
[1:12:51] or the fourth, sorry, the fourth, the Friday.
[1:13:13] Oh, what do you think? I mean, we've got a lot of confidence in
[1:13:20] it.
[1:13:20] I would say what we can come up with between now and Friday.
[1:13:24] Because what I mean, because it has to be sometimes burst like this.
[1:13:28] The third day of year.
[1:13:29] Melissa would have to call it an advertised.
[1:13:31] Okay. And I don't know the time frame of what you can perform that in,
[1:13:36] But what I've heard here is you've owned NFB's owned up to being here, taking ownership
[1:13:45] of the situation, but we as a board are not willing to accept that recommendation right
[1:13:50] now.
[1:13:51] And what we don't for you to do is, I mean, if you want to keep it in half, I don't think
[1:13:56] legally they can do that.
[1:13:57] I mean, that's the kind of thing.
[1:13:59] Yeah, y'all are on that to a great and we do appreciate that.
[1:14:01] Yeah.
[1:14:01] It's for asking us to front the deal.
[1:14:03] But what I hear you say, and you've made that recommendation, but we're asking for a different
[1:14:09] solution. Work with my administrative team and come up with that solution and rectify the situation.
[1:14:15] And give you some numbers based on claims and over the last two months, and make a better
[1:14:20] informed decision whenever we do make that recommendation. That's what I'll pay for that.
[1:14:28] Yeah, I'll
[1:14:29] where she had to rescind the previous motion, but I told Jennifer earlier, I said, this
[1:14:35] is nothing personal, she is a delightful person, and it has hard work for her, I make
[1:14:39] my her as well. They're just the ones here, right? There's a lot of hands that touched
[1:14:45] this. Oh, absolutely. I said, I'm going to do a job, and forgive me if you don't let my
[1:14:52] tone that I'm going to make my point. Well, let me say this. I spent 20 years in government.
[1:15:00] Local month 13 years within F.P. shall hankens. And I say this to everybody in a dandrol, and even commissioners, council
[1:15:11] people, we're not just a part of the solution for your health care and affordability, but it's
[1:15:17] a larger line item typically in a public entity's budget. So what we bring to you and you
[1:15:22] brought up the difference of 115,000. You have to be accountable for that. And as much as we try
[1:15:29] address affordability, solutions that are creative, into the day we're also part of that
[1:15:35] situation that we don't want to put people in his situation, in his role having to ask for
[1:15:42] a middle-aging increase. And then you have to have hearings in the public, here's that. And we're
[1:15:47] all the teams of what's going on in the communities across the state of Georgia, everybody's
[1:15:51] up in arms about it. So we feel a big part of that, and again, if we can come back and come up
[1:15:57] the solution that resolves this 115,000, and even hopefully even more, we're all better
[1:16:05] off.
[1:16:06] It's an empty, but you, as a county, and for your employees to.
[1:16:10] I want you to appreciate that, but thank you very much.
[1:16:12] How you make that notice, I'm not saying that.
[1:16:14] Second.
[1:16:16] Do you understand your motion?
[1:16:18] So we're just going to present the motion and type on this until you send your motion to
[1:16:23] and the right and second, the rest end, the second and the second.
[1:16:28] And the next motion will be the table as the next by the week.
[1:16:32] Okay, I'll resend the motion to approve.
[1:16:35] And I'll second the motion to resend.
[1:16:39] And now like the motion.
[1:16:43] So yes, I'll make a motion to table.
[1:16:46] Well, like a motion to table it until we can have the next meeting.
[1:16:54] the next week, and I second that much.
[1:17:01] And we like it would be good to serve from this hand.
[1:17:07] Mr. Thart? Yes.
[1:17:09] Chairman Henry? Yes.
[1:17:10] Mr. Harris? Yes. Mr. Arlong?
[1:17:12] Yes.
[1:17:13] Thank you both for being here. Thank you.
[1:17:14] Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:17:15] We do appreciate it.
[1:17:17] I hold out high hope for a good recovery.
[1:17:20] Thank you.
[1:17:35] Hopefully this will be a little more straightforward.
[1:17:38] This is the, in connection with our jail expansion project, there's going to be storm water detention required.
[1:17:46] And it's in the city of Bringo, the city of Bringo has the same policy as the county.
[1:17:51] And I think the city of Port O before they don't maintain private detention or storm water facilities.
[1:17:57] So they send over to Josh and to CTI believe our, their standard storm water maintenance agreement.
[1:18:05] and it requires water approval just saying we, the county, will maintain the storm water facilities.
[1:18:11] I've got a motion to approve.
[1:18:14] I'll move.
[1:18:15] I'll second.
[1:18:16] Got any questions?
[1:18:19] Miss Hannah?
[1:18:20] Mr. Ithart?
[1:18:21] Yes.
[1:18:22] Here I'm in Henry.
[1:18:23] Mr. Harris?
[1:18:24] Yes.
[1:18:25] Yes.
[1:18:27] Thank you, Chair.
[1:18:42] Dad, are you coming back at the...
[1:18:45] I want to start.
[1:18:48] Well, I'm sorry, a nine, six, nine, that's right.
[1:18:51] I was violent too.
[1:18:53] As the Board of Commissioners are where you awarded a contract,
[1:18:57] a while back regarding the intersection at what I call
[1:19:01] Dates and Boughton, Vernon Bush, and what is that?
[1:19:05] A bridge road there, and the poll in the South East corner
[1:19:11] needed to be replaced to a concrete poll.
[1:19:15] And we didn't find out about that until later on and, of course, after looking at it, it was pretty obvious that it needed to go from a wood pole to a concrete pole.
[1:19:26] The initial price that we had received from North Georgia MC was $40,000 after the last work session I believe.
[1:19:35] Commission Chairman Henry reached out to North Georgia, MCs, President and CEO, and they have come back with an offer of $20,000 for the pole.
[1:19:44] And the 40,000 did not include a rock clause, so if they hit rock, imagine hitting rock in Katusa County, right?
[1:19:52] If they hit rock, it would be additional cops. So this is a good deal for us to move that forward and I bull.
[1:20:00] I believe that our projects administrator Josh Smith has reached out to the contractor and may be our engineers
[1:20:06] Phillips, go feel who's here with CTI and it works well with the contractor's schedule as well,
[1:20:13] so this is all worked out pretty well. We would appreciate the approval of the $20,000 and they are in the process
[1:20:20] from what I understand and preparing an agreement to allow us to attach to that puddle as well.
[1:20:26] I got a motion to approve.
[1:20:29] I'm making motion.
[1:20:30] We approve?
[1:20:31] Okay.
[1:20:32] Any questions?
[1:20:33] I want a real day and a fired up and I get that.
[1:20:36] I like to think.
[1:20:38] When did you know about this poll day?
[1:20:40] We was last time you heard about that.
[1:20:42] I've heard about this poll for months.
[1:20:45] And we've been trying to get a price from said company for months.
[1:20:50] Yeah.
[1:20:51] It's been a while.
[1:20:52] Got a lot of things.
[1:20:53] Chairman Henry for contacting him even though it's four o'clock in the morning you contact some of them
[1:20:59] But yeah, maybe you need to do that to our interest broker give them come up for them
[1:21:06] Thank you for I gladly share all their cell phones for you. Thank you for working to deal out with absolutely
[1:21:15] And the president was glad to work with us
[1:21:26] Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Commissioner.
[1:21:31] That's how you made return.
[1:21:38] I usually, Melissa, I only make people stand outside by me.
[1:21:41] Ah, she had it in order for the record.
[1:21:43] Yeah, she had it in order in her defense. The county manager slipped that one in.
[1:21:50] The first item I have, and the next two items really are the same subject matter, they're
[1:21:55] two abandoned or potentially abandoned, unopened rod of waves, so we run into this several
[1:22:01] times in the county.
[1:22:02] The first situation is over in Boyd Highland subdivision, plated in, I think, the last
[1:22:08] plant was maybe 1961.
[1:22:10] There are a couple of roads showing on that plant, I think I got them, inversively, their
[1:22:15] as Midway Drive and East Highland Terrace of confirmed with public works, they don't exist
[1:22:22] on the ground, there's no intent to open those and there's a one property owner who owns
[1:22:28] property that's not part of the subdivision but accesses their property across part of this road.
[1:22:35] And they've requested that the county consider abandoning the public interest in opening these
[1:22:40] roads. So the first step in the process is for the board to adopt a resolution that puts a notice
[1:22:47] in the newspaper and has a send all of the adjoining owners that might be affected letters,
[1:22:54] letting them know that the board of commissioners will consider this matter and has to run in
[1:22:58] the paper for two weeks. So the way the meeting schedule falls this month, it wouldn't be on the
[1:23:06] the first October meeting and you would have a public hearing anyone who wanted to object or
[1:23:12] speak is available to do so and then the board can take action but this is just to put the
[1:23:18] notice in the paper.
[1:23:24] I'll second.
[1:23:30] That's correct. It's been highlighted in yellow. Then there's
[1:23:35] alone that kind of runs along the side or the back of some of those
[1:23:39] lots.
[1:23:47] The idea of your questions for that
[1:23:53] or out on the
[1:23:54] engine or like what happens in that chat I mean if it goes through
[1:23:59] think that that area that was intentional when it was originally
[1:24:04] designed was roads so what happens to that property?
[1:24:08] Well that's between the owners that's a private civil matter in other
[1:24:11] words two things on the the next one is a little different but this one
[1:24:16] When you have an old subdivision plant, there's two things.
[1:24:19] It's an implied dedication to the governing authority.
[1:24:22] It doesn't mean you accept it as a road just because it's planted,
[1:24:25] and that's how we have road standards and inspections and so forth.
[1:24:28] But all the owners and that have lots on that plant
[1:24:32] and that subdivision have private easement rights in those roads.
[1:24:36] So before any one person could claim it over the other,
[1:24:40] that have to do a clot-tot-o-action in a spiritual court to see if anybody
[1:24:43] wanted to lay claim to it or anything like that. Sure,
[1:24:54] you're up, yeah I'd like it.
[1:24:55] Can the surf our? Yes. You're in the hinder? Yes.
[1:24:58] Mr. Harris? Yes.
[1:25:01] And the next item is, almost exactly the same as the first, except this is not an old plight at subdivision. This is where a broader wood Baptist church was, a broader wood Baptist church. Now I've been acquired by Silverdale. In doing their surveying, Ella Springdrowed goes up off of Battlefield Parkway. And at some point it becomes La Ferry Lane and goes up to serve some houses. And they're the surveyor picked up that at some point in the past, a road, a road, a road, a road, a road, a road, a road, a road, a road, a road
[1:25:31] extends along the, I guess that would be the west property line there of the church that they
[1:25:37] show as an unopened public rotoboy and the church is asking that we consider abandoning it also
[1:25:45] or the public trots in it, so then they can, they'd have a clear claim to it because it's on
[1:25:50] their property but that would be down the road at the board considers it.
[1:25:54] we have a motion to put.
[1:25:56] I'm like a motion to put for a second.
[1:25:58] What's that?
[1:26:01] Is there a thirt?
[1:26:04] Is there a human in her?
[1:26:06] Yes.
[1:26:06] Is there a heris?
[1:26:07] Yes.
[1:26:10] Is there a commester in the comments?
[1:26:12] Number one, please don't like about any insurance.
[1:26:15] I think that's enough to that.
[1:26:17] Like our staff are looking in and dealing with these insurance and we're going to
[1:26:24] to our teaching and I know you all look at a lot more this week.
[1:26:33] Yes, Dan.
[1:26:35] Thank you for staying on top of this.
[1:26:37] It's best you could.
[1:26:39] You didn't know what you were on top of it.
[1:26:43] Also, just want to remember Charlie Stevens and our prayers.
[1:26:47] I'm going to his health issues.
[1:26:51] Just remember him and his family.
[1:26:55] Same thing.
[1:26:56] Just that's all I want to echo, I think everybody else knows that we appreciate everything
[1:27:00] they're doing for us every day, Chief everybody in the county, I appreciate everything
[1:27:04] but yeah, prayers for Charlie, that was a little hot tonight, not to have to have to have
[1:27:09] only go first, I missed him tonight, for sure, lots of prayers are winning.
[1:27:14] I'm sure you all remember John Pleasant, I'm on to Andy's mom.
[1:27:19] A lot of things going out in there, we get caught up around a little bubbles when you remember those around us.
[1:27:26] All right, I guess we got to take this session unless I can buy my way out of
[1:27:34] it.
[1:27:34] You've got to cover the insurance loan.
[1:27:35] Well, the number don't have to be accurate.
[1:27:37] We can go to the agency.
[1:27:38] It's not something else.
[1:27:41] Yeah, I like it.
[1:27:43] So we don't have that.
[1:27:44] I need to both avoid this session for legal land and personnel place.
[1:27:48] Oh, move.
[1:27:51] Unless we do get a roll call.
[1:27:53] Mr. and Hart?
[1:27:54] Yes.
[1:27:54] Chairman Henry?
[1:27:55] Mr. and Harris?
[1:27:56] Yes.
[1:27:57] Yes.
[1:27:58] We are.