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To the flag of the United States of
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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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most.

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We pray Lord that you be with every

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business tonight.

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approval of the uh October 23rd 28

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council agenda. Do I hear a motion to
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» Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
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» Second by Erica. Any discussion? All in
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» I.
>> All oppose like sign.

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Next item is September 23rd, 2025
minutes. Do I hear a motion to approve

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the amended version?
>> I'll move to approve.

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» All right. Do I hear a second?
>> Okay. As your city clerk, it's not your

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authority to change my minutes.
your not

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» I understand
>> the uh got a motion in a second to amend

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and or to approve the amended. Now the
floor is open for discussion

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and the we had a question as to whether
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approved.
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we want to go ahead and have a show of
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amended agenda.

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Show of hands on those that voted yes.
That's four. That approves the agenda.

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So with that stated that's the only
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» It doesn't work that way.
>> Yes it does.

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» No sir it does not. I'm sorry but you
are incorrect. As the city clerk, I have

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already completed these minutes. And now
I have to go back and add this to this

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minute. So I have to be able to show
that there's a history on why we voted

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just now to show a history on why it you
have to show that transparency. I

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understand I'm not changing my minutes
and you don't have the ability to change

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my minutes as a city.
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» I have gotten legal opinion from you,
municipality. I've already done that.

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» That's [clears throat] fine. I'd like

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Mayor, the council uh is asked to
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Often times they name amendments or
adjustments to them. Uh and so this was

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done to correct.
I see no problem with it. Council can

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vote to change

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to the
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approved. They need to vote to strike
those minutes. Then that's the only way

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that these minutes can be changed. They
need to strike that comment from there

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and they need to vote that they are
striking those comments. That's the only

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way that the minutes can be changed
because we've already have a history on

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our minutes from before. Then he brought
it up as a work session. So then I got

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something on work session and now he
brought it up at this council meeting.

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So to be able to show transparency and
history of why this has happened this

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way, they have to show up in the
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Mayor, my opinion has not changed. The
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council just did so and so those are now
additional proceedings. So the October

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September 23rd
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202.
>> Okay. The October 14 25 minutes. I would

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entertain a motion to approve the
amended version of those.

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» Got a motion from Mark. Do I hear a
second?

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» Second.
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Erica.
Is there any discussion on this?

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» These minutes will not be changed
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» Um,
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What changes are I mean what's an
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» okay on the on these there is a partial
transcript rather than minutes

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and the um
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uh of the minutes as they were presented
that's for resolution to authorize and

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further back IRS taxes uh There are some
statements here uh that I think

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design captured a part of the discussion
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editorializing I think
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complete uh there was a there was a
discussion about uh what some of the

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parts of
the IRS that were received the statement

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um
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a statement some confusion about what
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brought some clarity to that. Uh that's
not included. So I think this is

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partial. Uh your minutes in the past
reflect uh the uh you know who made the

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motion, who second the motion uh you
know what the vote was. be my

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recommendation that we do the same here
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accurate portrayal of discussion that
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your description.
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minutes on the bottom of the page. It
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It says that on every single one of my
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» all in favor say I.
So, we'reing the original.

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» So, there's a um there's one of them
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them that is um
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paragraph. Uh and it just has to vote,
you know, who made the motion, who made

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the second and the vote count for that
particular body and it doesn't include

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the statements that are
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» For one thing, it's not accurate. Uh
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editorial. I think um so the paragraph
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account of the of of that discussion.
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occurred. I just mentioned that Mark
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correct what what the confusion was and
that's not included.

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» Yeah. I don't have that much.
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partial account of the discussion, I
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have to be transcribed. There is a
there's an audio recording of minutes of

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anybody meeting. So anybody that watches
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themselves. Uh but I think having a kind
of a partial account is not something

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that you want to have on this particular
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» I don't want to have a partial but if
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know Mark corrected me on that issue.
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One thing is if we in our packet which

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would be included
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is the IRM's actual statement.
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this that I recall in our minutes
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we do it like it's been done
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what I don't understand what the issue
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do.
That is my thoughts. What we typically

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do is the amended version and that's
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matter what it is, that's what we do.
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extra paragraph in an explanation when
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» You're welcome to pull our our minutes
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this in the past. M
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I'm saying that typically it's like what
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this person passed it or this person um
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it went on. The reason that I made that
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the resolution it says for 2024, but on
the paperwork that was provided it says

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also for 2025. So that's what those are
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interest that was accured for 2025. So
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2020.
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that was provided to the council and
that packet said 2025.

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» But that was on the interest. So we owe
a bill from what he says it's interest

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» interest on notice from 24
first quarter in 24

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please mayor let her finish you're not
controlling the meeting.

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» I know I'm trying to figure out
>> you're trying to Yes.

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» I'm trying to figure out as the clerk so
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» That's right.
>> Thank you. So that's interest from 2020

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2025 but on a 2024 bill. So you don't a
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And so it it's not a 2025 bill. It's a
2024 bill. Correct.

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» Correct. But the invoice that was
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that that was 2025
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» because the statement date,
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clearly October 6 that the statement
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going to acrew on a bill that's not paid
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but it's a bill from 2024. Correct.
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» And the interest ac
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a 2024 bill.
That's all I'm saying is that if you

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don't pay a bill on time, we acrew
interest as it passes, right? And now

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we're in a new year. So the interest is
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bill that has approved interest in 2025.
So I still view it as a 2024 bill.

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It's just that we're late on paying and
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but if that is included I don't see and
and I I don't recall every everything

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you do. I'm sure you've broken it down
before but most of the time it says

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this. So, I don't agree with with this
is what I'm saying. And it's because

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it's a 2024 bill that accured interest
in 2025 with a statement date of October

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6, 2025. Now that I understand why she
wanted to put this in and your

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explanation of why 2024 the interest
rate wasn't your conc.

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» So you're saying you're okay with the
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» Is that what you're saying?
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that I think discussion.

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Any further discussion?
All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> All those like sign and that pass.

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Next item on the agenda is the financial
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entertain a motion to accept the uh
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So move.
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second? Second. Second by JJ. Any
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All in favor say I.
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» All oppose like to sign.
That's approved.

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I saw Carl just walked in. Uh one of the
financials for the general fund or the

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city financials. Um I'm at Carl's
working on getting those uh repaired and

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we last time we talked about it. Uh he
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version by the first or by December. So
I'm going to ask that we table them

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again this month.
Do I have a motion?

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» Got a motion by hear.

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» So, can we get this done faster than
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I'm ready to see some results here.

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Can we have that sooner than December
because it's we've been tingling this

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financial
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cannot promise you that they will be
absolutely perfect. There's a lot of

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work to do right now.

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That's the truth. That's true.

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So we might have it by December.
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December. I can't I'm not going to stand
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be exactly balanced. Will all be exactly
what they should be. There's there's a

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lot of stuff to go through reconcile to
get to the right number

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that that needs to be on the balance
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liabilities on your balance sheet. It
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that
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liability to actually work.

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Sorry. It's hard work here.
I mean, you want if you want if you want

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me to to
run through it and do a

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half, you know, job, I can do that or
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» I'm not asking you to do that. So, don't
don't take it personal. I'm not asking

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that. I'm just I'm just hoping we can
get this number sooner because the

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city's financial keep being postponed
postponed and I'm just like

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» Any further discussion?
All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> All those like sign. Those are table.

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Next item on the agenda is the
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successful.

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We're right.

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» Thank you.
Next, please.

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Hey guys,
it's uh business as usual. Uh I was off

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there for a couple weeks cuz I had a
little health issue. I had the procedure

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done. Um whether you guys knew this or
not, apparently there was one day while

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I was out
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Insurance hadn't been paid.
Not sure if you guys are aware of that

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or not, but I just wanted you guys to be
aware of it. I got the phone call when I

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that we had to all our police officers

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to stay at the police department
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chief talked more about that since he
was here and he ran down the rock and it

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my understanding
we operated about a month and a half,

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two months with no vehicle insurance,
which is against the law for one

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to [clears throat]
we set ourselves up for a lawsuit

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waiting to happen.
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but that's why that happened miles away.
So, um but other than that, back up. We

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got the insurance. We're good.
Um soon as that happened and like I

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said, can talk more about it if you guys
have questions about that. I didn't

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speak with him. I did not have any
conversation with him whatsoever.

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Again, I was out um dealing with a
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» That was in September
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day? I'll let talk a little bit more
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insurance card expired September 16th I
believe and while he was going I seen we

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didn't have a new card so I went over
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departments over there so we started
with the found

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» so I said man who's supposed to pay
That was actually the

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to be paid by June 1st and it got cut

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off on the 19th, the 5th of July. I mean
July 1st. It got cut off the 19th of

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July is when because they cut a second
or sent a second notice right after the

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first or right around the middle of
July. And so that was that was before we

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got Carl or anyone else in finance.
>> Still you didn't ask my question. I said

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» it was when it was when we still had our
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» I've actually spoke to the municipal
league on that. They did an update to

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it's called a software called Origami.
So when they did an update to the

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origami that for the last previous years
all of our mail was going to the PO box

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36. So when they did the update to the
origami, it sent it to uh to 134 North

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Main. We don't get mail at 134 North
Main and the post office did not send

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our mail from 134 North Main and put it
into our PO box office. They send it

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back.
So we weren't getting any mail from that

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134 mailing address is what the the
ladies from Municipal League was telling

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me. And so Miss Sheila at Municipal
League is trying to figure out what had

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happened and why the address transferred
from 134 or from the PO box 36 to the

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134 North

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» that's our physical address but we don't
know I'm just

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[clears throat]
>> because we don't receive mail there we

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have no mail the post office doesn't
deliver

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That's really not good. I mean,
honestly, I'm not I'm not happy about

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that. I don't know how we can
What can we do to make sure that doesn't

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happen again?
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fixed up.
>> I've worked with

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the city and I think
You know, I have it on my on my computer

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also that they pay insurance to do this
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[snorts] I'm that you know
I thought other people were track

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next planning commission

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Good evening.
>> Evening question last week

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had a couple items on the agenda. One
for

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this
new annex subdivision. We had a permit

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come in for retaining wall neighbor
the decision of approval. There's a

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process that goes you know into the
approval of it but planning commission

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is the under the board

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they are the group that
they build the administrative decision

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and then we have preliminary petroleum
this is the one that we've been working

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on right off the wall everything still
going through they just wanted to look

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reworking some of their sewer lines for
better alignment with future

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connectivity. So they have got a new
plan to us and Drew's been looking at it

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you know among others within and they're
going to come back collaboration

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probably come back to us in the work
session in November and look at

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that being said we'll probably postpone
the planning commission meeting for next

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week we don't have any

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other things that is on there is the
other stuff we want to look at you have

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before you tonight. the reasoning of the
property for light. We'll talk about

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that if you have any questions. We can
talk about that later once we get to it.

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And then you general updates haven't
really changed since the last meeting.

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We're still working on the
legacy project proposal that was

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accepted and moving forward with that
for next year in conjunction with the

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water.
And of course, that's something I did

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notice

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are meeting to continue work on this. I
want to say

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middle of next week.

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Specific questions.

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Thank you.
Next item is water and department.

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Start with the

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got a lot of meters to set up
and one leak that we know of which is

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fire hydrant that's scheduled to be
prepared on Monday. We wait on the parts

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for a few weeks.

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Um
and then we have our water set.

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Looking at the water loss report, you
can see it jumped from 37 to 54. Uh I

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believe the reason for that is when we
tightened up the shoot line that was

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leaking about 2 and 12 million gallons a
month, it increased the pressure in the

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line and then created leaks elsewhere.
To address this, I went into our KMZ

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GIS map and found the remaining Y that
we know of. And so we are working on a

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game plan to get all that abandoned. We
just abandoned another 400T stretch of

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that on Round Road. Um, but as of right
now, there's an estimated 2700 ft of

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galvan [clears throat] ice in the ground
still. Based on that math, there might

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be we don't know and about 600 ft of
unknown pipe. So there's we don't know

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the composition of the pipe. It could be
could be the old

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place. So that is the game plan.

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So any questions?

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Well, we discussed that last night this
morning regarding the water loss. There

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was some recommendation previously when
they did the when they did the

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[clears throat] locating the you know
water loss there was I think there was a

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few recommendation in there to what are
those recommendation and where we have

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done those
>> yes so with the breed study is what

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you're referring to they came out and
located our system uh listening for

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leaks using an acoustic device their
recommendations they had about seven we

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are currently
doing five of those recommendations. The

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two that we are not doing are we're
working towards one. Uh one being

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it was also suggested that during the
investigation that a high quantity of

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leakage could potentially be occurring
in particular communities due to

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excessive pressure and so they
recommended that we install PRBs or

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other pressure management solutions.
That is being looked into with the water

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mouse comp. They're going to tell us
strategic points to

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valves, pressure related valves. This
could provide some relief for for our

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pipes. The other recommendation
is

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district meter areas or data driven
solutions. So district meter area would

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basically
you know you install meters in strategic

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locations on your system and then so
take for example you've got a system you

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install a meter at the entrance of that
pipeline forward

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and then you take the difference between
the usage of the the residential meters

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and the water that's come into the
system and compare that difference and

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that will tell you your water in that
area of the distribution system.

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» Can I ask you a question about that? So
now with these new developments going

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up, is that going to be a requirement
for them to put that stuff in on the

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front end like Hillrest and then the one
on Rainbow Dr.'s own property? Is that

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something that can be tied into that?
>> Right now it's not in our specs to

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require developers to do that. It's
certainly something to discuss if we'd

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like
to add to that as as the water master

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plan gets completed, we're going to find
the higher pressure areas are going to

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follow the lower elevation within the
city. So once that master plan actually

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outlines that, it'll look like it'll
look at that in totality as development

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takes place. And so that can be a
requirement for those specific

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subdivisions.
It will depend on each specific

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subdivision that comes in and the
specific location they're located.

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» So the new ones that aren't yet
currently like Hillrest would be out for

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that because they're currently underre
but the other ones or can the city put

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it on on the front end before
home stop using water and sewer.

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» Okay.
>> Part of that recommendation was

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[clears throat]
the second part was data driven

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solutions. So, for example, Rogers has
1,600

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pressure sensors throughout their
system. You know, if you have a sensor

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here, a sensor here, if there's a
discrepancy between those sensors, it

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kind of pinpoints where they need to be
looking for a leak. So, they use

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correlation to find, you know, it's this
part from this sensor, this part from

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this sensor. That's another
recommendation that we could also look

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into. And that would allow us to go out
there, use our acoustic leak detector

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and pinpoint exactly where the leak is
before even services because according

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to the study 94% of our leaks never come
to service which is what we're

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struggling with now

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that's what I was asking you that
question because we're getting to the

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point we're fixing some we go down then
some new one and also are we putting

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them in sleeves now I mean the pipe and
putting pipe we put them in now is the

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Yes, it's in space. I think it was one
of the workplace.

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» I think we need to start looking.
>> I'm saying that because you're doing a

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great job. I'm not criticizing you. I
want to

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committee. We really need to start
looking ahead of time. I mean, if 2008,

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we were looking at the pipe sleep. maybe
we wouldn't have as much pipes that we

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have to replace now. So 10 years from
now whoever is here of course I'm not

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here whoever is here I don't want them
say no 10 years ago they have done

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something to help that and that's why I
want to look at outside the box and look

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at other recommendation that we can get
what we can do [clears throat] like this

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other study the master water study
Daniel is going to do that's great I had

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done that a year ago so we were two
years

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So we need to start looking into

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future ahead of time not fixing it for
now. That's my recommendation is my

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challenge to you and my
committee. We both are not happy with

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what we see and you working really hard
is working hard. You're doing great job.

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It's just we don't know what
those pipes are.

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When the pressure changes on them, they
start.

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So, we need to think outside the box.
That's my challenge for myself.

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Absolutely.

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» Thank you. Thank you.
Next item is the engineers report.

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I'll touch on several [clears throat]
I'll touch on several water sewer

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projects that are currently ongoing. In
your packet, you've got the notes from

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last night's meeting.
The N project, we're wrapping that up as

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we speak. As
we got actually two sign offs on our

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sign offs, we're trying to finalize
contractage,

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complete uh funding request with NRD.
the existing wastewater treatment plant

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and pump station. We're currently
decommissioning those contractor out

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there the basins as well as removing the
pump station on the golf course and turn

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those over to the original agreement to
back to

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course.
And lastly, I want to talk to you a

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little about water service area
expansion up here on the screen. And

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this uh we went over this last night the
meeting. Uh just as a general reminder,

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water and sewer service areas are like
school district boundaries. They do not

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follow
city limits. So some exhibit I have in

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front of you at the moment.
What's in red is actually what you

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currently have on file with the Arkansas
Natural Resource Commission as your

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water service area. This color here is
Roger's water and then the purple color

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bill. And then lastly, what you'll see
here on the bottom is water utilities.

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As part of any expansions that we do, we
actually have to prepare a report,

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submit that to the natural resource
division. Uh they will hold a public

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hearing. We have to notify all the
water in the proximity to this area and

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get their comments on any expansions
that we're claiming.

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U we have reached out to the bill is
generally in in agreement with what our

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plan is. Let me show you real quickly
what what our plan is.

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» Does that currently include
the area or is that still Rogers?

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» It's still it's still with Rogers. We
haven't noted in the report that it will

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transition upon our connection our
service connection to that that area

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as well as the others that we we gave up
the connection the station side. What

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you'll see here in yellow is what we uh
have developed in the water committee or

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we plan to recommend or having
discussions with our neighbor

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idea. [clears throat]
Highway 264 is running right through

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here and highway 112 runs through here.
This light blue line is the 12in water

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line was installed with the sales tax
bond issue that was passed several years

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ago. And this green line is what was the
sewer line which carries our waste water

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to to so it makes sense uh where these
areas in yellow that we continue to move

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further west and join up with our
neighbors. Makes a lot of sense here.

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One challenge we have uh you can see
city limits in this light gray blue

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color actually down all the way to
highway 264

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but you'll look at our service area
dissects that section of their city

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limits. We had a water service area
prior to those

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not annexations annexations from the
property owners that live in that area.

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So, we presented this to Bentonville.
We've been working on this over a year

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and their response, [clears throat]
excuse me. Their response was uh rather

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than just the
water service areas is to present a

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franchise agreement where we can
actually service uh their uh residents

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within the city limits. We have that
Justin has it. we reviewing that uh

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determine which path we need to how do
we need to move forward and that's

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that's what I'm going to ask tonight. Do
you guys have a direction or what you

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would like us to move forward with that?
Now, two things we do. We got a couple

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options. One, we can go ahead and submit
this to NRD as we have presented here

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and have to go through the public
meeting and there will be comments back

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from our neighbors associated with that.
Or we could do a combination of

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franchise agreement and adjust this
submitt to NRD which effectively we can

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remove the area here
uh where we overlap and only ask for

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things outside of the city's
city limits if you will. Now part of

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this franchise agreement there's a
couple things that we would need to

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negotiate. Number one, um
any improvements that are generated in

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this area, we spend our money uh to
invest in that infrastructure. We would

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like any impact fees to return back to
the city of K Springs based on our

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current ordinances. And probably the
other larger item is at some point they

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reserve the right to come in and take
that infrastructure whenever they

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continue to build.
down to that area where they can connect

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to it. They would like that to revert
back to the city of ownership. We

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recommend if that were to happen that
they would purchase that and whatever

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value that is at the top. So again
looking at a couple of options we want

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to move forward as we have been working
and going to present this TRD or a

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combination of what we have here today
and a franchise agreement with the city

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of B. Should be noted that uh the city
of Hill does have a franchise agreement

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with Senator as well and based on my
understanding it's worked well. I've not

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heard anything any different.
[clears throat] With that I will open it

432
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:45,160
up for questions.

433
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:57,680
» I think as discussed last night we need
to see that franchise agreement and

434
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,680
understand it before we can make

435
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:05,599
Well, we can
visit with Justin and see if there's an

436
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:09,760
opportunity we can have it back at the
next work session. Show you what that

437
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,599
looks like. And I would I would
anticipate this would go back and forth

438
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:19,240
negotiating back and forth between each
entity as approved by both governance.

439
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:34,680
Any other questions? Clear as mud.

440
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,760
» All right. The last item, engineering
report, just a couple projects to

441
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,960
discuss. The West Road sidewalks. We
received our approval that has been

442
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:54,160
advertised. Our opening bids on the 13th
of November at 2 pm. So we'll be back

443
00:40:51,520 --> 00:41:00,079
for you next city council meeting with
the recommendation of the word contract

444
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:05,040
contractor extended sidewalk. The other
item on everyone's mind is the traffic

445
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:09,520
signal. The poles will arrive at the
contractor's yard at the end of this

446
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:14,400
week is scheduled to begin construction
next week.

447
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:20,119
stilling some with sweat coat but that
is the latest as of middle of the day

448
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,119
today

449
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,760
or something

450
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:32,240
» the poles were completed they just had
not been shipped maintained on the

451
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:37,800
manufacturer's yard that's what we've
been waiting for is to get them to the

452
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,800
conting

453
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:53,839
We're pushing.
>> Any other questions?

454
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,960
» I have a question.
>> Yes, ma'am.

455
00:41:54,319 --> 00:42:00,880
» Um, the sewer capacity study. So, we
have our new one complete. Is that done

456
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,760
yet?
>> We have a graph that we reviewed uh last

457
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:10,000
month or previous month's meeting. We're
making a few adjustments based on

458
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:13,520
comments that we received.
for the water meeting. We'll be ready, I

459
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,800
would say, in the next couple months to
present to the council if yall would

460
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,599
like to see it.
>> Okay. Because I had um some questions. I

461
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:28,400
meant to reach out to you today, but I
wasn't able to. Um I remember that that

462
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:33,119
Buffington property that was here, they
with all these subdivisions coming in,

463
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:38,800
you know, they the number of homes that
would have been like on that property.

464
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:42,640
Um it was my understanding communicated
that

465
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:47,440
didn't know if it could go forward
unless the sewer capacity study was

466
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:52,480
complete. So,
how are we building these developments

467
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:56,319
without the sewer capacity study?
Is it

468
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,160
Could you expand upon that? You
understand what I'm asking? Because

469
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:05,200
we're approving a lot of development,
but I know one development did leave

470
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:10,000
because
they we didn't know if that particular

471
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:15,200
land could
work for the sewer system and the new

472
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:20,560
lift station. So
with all of these developments being

473
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:23,200
approved, are are we worried about sewer
capacity because a lot of homes have

474
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:28,480
gone up?
>> No, they they have been evaluated on a

475
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:32,319
case by case basis. So what the sewer
study is actually doing is taking a

476
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:37,200
holistic view of what's available in the
city, what's left in the city, and

477
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:41,359
identifying areas for new trunk lines to
go

478
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:46,480
to be installed throughout basins where
where nothing exists.

479
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:49,359
to max to help us size the future
capacity of the sewer. So what we don't

480
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,400
want to do, for example, what we don't
want to do is install an 8 in sewer line

481
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:57,119
in an area and develop coming in 10
years down the road. All of a sudden

482
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:02,079
that 8 in is not enough for that new
development. We size it and determine

483
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:07,280
that that needs to be 15 in or larger
sewer line and potentially do a cost

484
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:13,440
share or ask the developer to install
something larger than than needed for

485
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:19,599
their development. U what is going on
right now with the model that we develop

486
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:23,920
as developers do come in and ask for
capacity to your current pressurized

487
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,760
system and step system we have that has
been modeled and we can put that in the

488
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:32,800
model to determine if that capacity
exists with that size of development

489
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:39,760
with the current infrastructure you have
to station we have used that on a couple

490
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:46,240
occasions already with
with developers

491
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:51,440
But depending on the the property
bill for instance, that is one that that

492
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:57,280
requirement was placed on the developer
to show us to study our system their

493
00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:00,880
connection point to ensure that there
was enough capacity that we reviewed and

494
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:06,960
commented and went back and forth
several times to determine if they could

495
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:10,720
in fact connect to that to the system.
>> Okay. So it has not stopped in

496
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,280
development.
>> Okay.

497
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:18,480
» Now we may have we may have told some
developers that this is in process. We

498
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:23,200
can't tell them what the ultimate size
of a gravity line is until it's

499
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,160
completed at this point.
>> Okay.

500
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:31,960
» We have not stopped. I think what maybe
is like someone

501
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:45,280
that's the question where we at
no I think we are comfortable having

502
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:50,000
performing this study at this point is a
good put places you in a very good

503
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:55,200
position not only that the the lift
station that we just completed there

504
00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:00,160
station back it was designed based on
the current size of the city of

505
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:05,200
education rings with expansion potential
what we're talking about this water

506
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:11,920
service area that we just went over. So
I can't remember exactly we have places

507
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:16,400
for two additional pumps in the station.
>> We have placements for that. So as we

508
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:20,880
grow we won't be able to expand that
list. We'll add a pump and then we'll

509
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:26,160
add another pump. Now ultimately at some
point depending I mean as as far as we

510
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:31,440
can plan with our crystal ball that's
all we can do densities and some of the

511
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:36,079
plans I think you'll talk about tonight.
Uh as we're looking uh other densities

512
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:39,280
as well
that plays a role in this. So some of

513
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:44,960
our neighboring cities where they're
running into challenges, infrastructure

514
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:51,040
that was 50 years ago was not based on a
higher density what we're seeing wind

515
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,400
that's where some of those struggles are
coming.

516
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:58,000
But as far as we're concerned, I think
we're planning very well.

517
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:02,560
» Okay.
>> So we're we're good with what we

518
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:08,720
currently have on the agenda. what we
currently have approved and more

519
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:13,760
development to come.
>> It should it should be noted five years

520
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:18,240
ago that was not the case because we
were we knew that due to the growth we

521
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,839
were going to reach capacity
with the current treatment plants and

522
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:26,880
the drip fields that we had and we had
to make a decision on whether we stop

523
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:31,760
growing or do we make an investment to
go to Naka and that's where you have the

524
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:37,040
vision to move forward and go to NAL.
That was not the case that we preserved.

525
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:41,839
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Anything else?

526
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,839
Thank you. Next item is the attorney's
report.

527
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:53,200
» Good evening, council.
Also, we have franchise agreements on

528
00:47:49,839 --> 00:48:00,000
the agenda uh later. So, looking forward
to getting those done and and in place.

529
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:05,359
uh coming up u at the next court session
plan to have a draft of a few revisions

530
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:10,240
to personnel handbook uh that we've been
working on. So we have that one for you.

531
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:14,160
I'll also have
to see the water franchise that we've

532
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:18,560
talked about. Um, I'll provide you with
the version that was provided to us bill

533
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:24,000
and then I'll provide you also with the
version with recommended changes to it.

534
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:29,760
Um, to to handle some of the issues that
Daniel

535
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:33,280
uh brought up. Um, also uh uh some
things that are in the works as Daniel

536
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:38,400
mentioned with the NA project now that
commissioning is uh decommissioning is

537
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:43,680
happening with some of the implements
over the over at the golf course. We're

538
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:49,040
in a position to
uh to be ready to to do that transfer.

539
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:54,079
That's already been approved some time
back now. It's been a year or two uh on

540
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:58,160
where that was approved, but there may
be something where we decide it may be a

541
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,920
good idea to bring it back through just
to get

542
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:06,319
to make sure we're all on the same page.
But essentially, we're going to be

543
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:12,160
transferring those assets that remain
over to um over the golf course. Um and

544
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:16,480
then there'll be a release of some of
the ements that are there that we're

545
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:20,559
getting in a water sewer ement that we
need for [snorts] our system

546
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:28,559
if you kind of recall all that from a
couple years ago. Uh lastly, oh had a

547
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:33,680
meeting at Holland yesterday went
through a number of kind of uh project

548
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:38,319
issues, things that are going on. U
talked quite a bit about drainage and

549
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:43,280
we're going to continue to be uh looking
at that. I'm looking at it from a a

550
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:47,520
point of view of of what type of changes
might we need just based on things that

551
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,920
we've we've encountered. So, we're going
to continue working on that. Uh the

552
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:57,440
agenda on that meeting was too big for
us to complete one day. So, we're going

553
00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:01,599
to uh meet back and and do that. But I I
do think that

554
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,800
changes coming up on that in the next
couple months. Uh so, that's a little

555
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:11,040
harder maybe, you know, maybe coming in
January.

556
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,960
and some updates that we need to do. So,
uh those are just

557
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:21,319
four different things that are kind of
ongoing right now. Any any questions for

558
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:21,319
me?

559
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:27,319
» Thank you.
Next treasur

560
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:37,599
and then the mayor's report.
very brief, but we are currently working

561
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:43,440
with all the department heads on
budgets. It's that time of year. Hope to

562
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:49,040
have you a budget very quickly to be
able to review that their input is on

563
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:55,200
their departments and it is it is coming
from a group effort that's being

564
00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:01,839
directed by the department heads. So
that should be coming to you all very

565
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:08,359
soon and looking forward to preparing
for next year. Next item is public

566
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:08,359
comments.

567
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,695
Any public comments?
[clears throat and cough]

568
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,920
Um I am asking

569
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:39,680
I know that we keep this down the road
but my house

570
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:43,680
102 days ago. Um it does seem like we
would love to things here. I'm just

571
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:48,839
curious if there's ever going to be a
resolution or a plan of action or

572
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,920
you guys.
>> So, did you hear that the attorney and

573
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:02,319
the engineer were meeting about the
drainage issue?

574
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:07,920
» I did hear that, but I heard that it
takes more than I feel like is a long

575
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:13,680
time.
So, I did hear about

576
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:18,240
I don't feel like it because it's not a
part of me or I don't know

577
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,520
» or it's a process. It takes time.
>> I agree.

578
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,839
» Yeah.
>> But I don't think this is the first to

579
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:27,839
experience my knowledge. Um
>> I don't think so either. Thousands of

580
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,119
years of floods and that's why we have
engineers to try to help figure it out.

581
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:35,119
I don't know what else we can do other
than rely on our engineers. Do you want

582
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,440
us to hire more engineers? Do you want
us to like have them do a battle royale?

583
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,640
It's just you come and you've sworn at
us before and it's just we're not

584
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,319
kicking this down the road. It's an
important issue to us. There's not much

585
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,079
more that we can do. I can't come to
your house and figure it out. I don't

586
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:54,319
know how. I just I literally don't know
the engineering or the math. So, I can't

587
00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:59,040
figure it out. I have to outsource that
opinion to our engineer

588
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:02,160
and then he's going to come with a plan
that they're going to, you know, again

589
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:05,599
try and figure out. It isn't going to be
instant though. It's going to take

590
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:10,319
» I'm not expecting it to be instant. I
don't think anybody the first person and

591
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,559
ask when something is going to happen.
I'm not directly targeting you or

592
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:20,079
anybody on the city council here. I'm
just saying that this meeting is going

593
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:24,240
to okay
and that's fine if it takes time but I

594
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:30,079
think over time there should be some
sort of update that we can expect

595
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:35,839
what's coming out of that. Um I've been
a budget before I couldn't simply just

596
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:41,440
continue down the road. I mean listening
today like financial reports are being

597
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:45,920
table like I mean what are we supposed
to expect? I want party and yeah I did

598
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:50,960
come here and say that it seems like
things are show because to be honest he

599
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:55,119
does every time I come
>> the mayor looks around everybody else

600
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:01,359
like
where does what is the one responsible

601
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:06,480
for anything I have asked my engineer
multiple times about your stuff and he

602
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:11,680
is looking into it your situation is a
little complicated you you you bought a

603
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:17,200
home in a place that didn't have
curbside cutouts. I have personally come

604
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,880
after you spoke and another person in
your neighborhood came down and looked.

605
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Actually, it was before you spoke
because you were surprised to see your

606
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:27,920
pictures up there because I cared so
much I asked our engineer to do it. I

607
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,640
said, "Could you please look at this
home on the corner across from the

608
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:41,119
detention pond?" So, I have asked for
updates. There is a process. Um

609
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:47,920
but your situation is is very unique
>> and and he has looked into it. I have we

610
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:52,800
we have updated if we if we constantly I
mean he has to do his job. I I did my

611
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:57,680
job as a council member I thought and
came down and asked him to look at your

612
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:02,559
particular property which you questioned
why was my house up there. I said well I

613
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:07,400
asked him to look cuz I saw your damage.
So the council members do care

614
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:14,960
and once again I'm not trying to blame
anybody. This is not where we get we

615
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:20,319
this is what happens right. I'm just
saying I have come here since that

616
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,559
happened and hoping that you guys are
working on a resolution. If you say you

617
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:27,599
are I can totally trust you and assume
that you are and come back next month

618
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,960
and hope you hear something different.
I'm not confident that that's the case

619
00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:36,319
because I've been here a few times and
nothing has changed. Um, when I come

620
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:39,359
here, I started by arguing amongst
everybody here in this room. How do I

621
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,839
have confidence I can trust that you
guys are running the city the way it

622
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:47,680
should be? I mean, we didn't have
insurance on our police vehicles and

623
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:50,400
they couldn't drive. person doesn't
follow the law in this city, but you

624
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,799
can't even guarantee people would be
able to monitor the streets for us. So,

625
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:59,440
I'm not again not here to explain, just
simply saying like I'm a homeowner in

626
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:04,319
this city. I care about this city. I
would like it if something were to come

627
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:08,160
out of this eventually and maybe like a
timeline like in a month we'll let you

628
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,400
know who we spoke to or something and
not just

629
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,119
» we've already
we've already been letting you know we

630
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:21,520
have engineers
working. I mean, again, I I just I I

631
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,799
don't You say, "I'm not coming in just
But that's exactly what you're doing.

632
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:29,119
You You've come down to two meetings.
You've sworn. You've not been

633
00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:33,839
particularly polite." You know, we we
are essentially all six of us as

634
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:39,839
governor. We are essentially volunteers.
We do not I mean, the amount that we get

635
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:44,640
paid is is like a perium. We we are all
volunteers in this capacity. We all have

636
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:49,839
full-time jobs and children and lives.
Our full-time job Not, oh my gosh, you

637
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,880
know, citizens having a drainage
problem. I'm going have to put

638
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:58,559
everything on hold. And we have to rely
on the experts. I mean, that's what we

639
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,319
have to do. What is the alternative?
That's my question. What is the

640
00:56:59,839 --> 00:57:05,119
alternative?
>> I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming any

641
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:09,680
of you. This is the experts that are
supposed to give us solutions. I'm just

642
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:14,240
asking what you expect. Is that a bad
thing for me to ask? I not come up here

643
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:19,200
and have my own like time with you guys
to say like I'm concerned about my home

644
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:22,319
and it wasn't just my home. There were
several of them and I'm sure they would

645
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:27,599
all be happy to come up here and share
their stories but it's not me who's

646
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:31,200
obviously upset.
>> No no I'm not I'm not I was going to say

647
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,640
mayor we're kind of in a back and forth
and that's usually what we don't do at

648
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:38,960
public but I was going to say something
just to maybe you have a very particular

649
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:44,240
problem. It's a very complex problem.
It's a problem that that is very

650
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:48,400
challenging uh to solve. What I might
recommend is it it doesn't lend itself

651
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:54,160
to solving at a public comment period.
This is really a period where people

652
00:57:49,760 --> 00:58:00,079
kind of and and have a comment and one
council does what I might suggest is

653
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:03,760
that um this happens but connecting with
somebody at the city that you can come

654
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,440
and have a sit down with and a
discussion uh where you get some updates

655
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,599
and things like that. May seem like
you're not getting There are there's

656
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:16,000
quite a bit happening with with with
limited resources and things that you

657
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:19,280
know gravity only goes one way and and
there's some big challenges there and I

658
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:23,280
think it may leave the impression that
nothing is happening. So u if you want

659
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,400
to after the meeting I'll come talk to
you maybe I'll do it with somebody. So I

660
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,760
think it's this is more of a you
probably need to come into city hall and

661
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:33,599
have a sit down with somebody at there
and kind of share your concerns get some

662
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:37,760
feedback and then and kind of have that
interaction because it really doesn't

663
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:42,160
lend itself well here.
I have concerns about the city not being

664
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:47,359
managed well and it's not based on my
particular issue that I have but it's

665
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:51,280
based on that I see the reports that are
coming up here and how I see that nobody

666
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:56,000
seems to take ownership of the things
that are happening in our city that's

667
00:58:53,200 --> 00:59:00,079
comment
I'm just saying I have concerns about

668
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,920
that and as a citizen of the city I
would hope that those concerns are

669
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,160
addressed eventually but I don't have
comments

670
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:16,119
One more time. Ma'am, can I get your
name?

671
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,119
» L E T I S H.

672
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:33,760
» And
I do want to make a statement as well.

673
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:41,520
As we mentioned a few minutes ago, we
went down this week and sat down and

674
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:45,200
discussed a whole host of issues. We are
working on a number of different

675
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:53,440
drainage issues. We're working on a
number of different issues as a city

676
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:58,880
from streets to uh growth to drainage to
expansion of water and sewer and

677
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:06,720
development. And those are all things
that we do. They do require experts and

678
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:12,799
we have experts engaged and we address
those items. I've got a three page list

679
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:18,880
that I work off of every day and things
come on, things go off and things are

680
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:22,720
taken care of. Those are my
responsibility. I take care of those

681
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:26,880
responsibilities.
It doesn't always happen quickly and

682
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:32,960
some things happen more quickly than
others, but that is where we are right

683
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:38,160
now. And that is the process that's not
always.

684
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:42,280
So the next item on the agenda, do we
have any further comments?

685
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,559
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council, I
appreciate you. Just get a moment to

686
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:52,960
introduce myself. I'm Mike Armstrong.
I'm running for family court judge. Uh

687
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:59,200
I've been practicing law here for about
20 years in in Northwest Arkansas. last

688
01:00:55,839 --> 01:01:04,240
15 doing family law and mentioned
dealing with issues in the city and I

689
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:08,720
think that a lot of citizens probably
have issues with the courts here in

690
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:12,559
Benton County and I'd love to be able to
visit with any of you today about that

691
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:16,799
find out what kind of judge you're
looking for in Kate Springs and in

692
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:20,720
Benton County. I've been doing this for
like I said about 20 years 15 years of

693
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:24,799
domestic relations work. I've got all
that experience that I bring to the

694
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:30,160
table. I think the most important aspect
of of family court job is families and

695
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:33,520
dealing with that. And like I said, I'd
love to visit with anybody about that. I

696
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:39,280
hope to earn your trust and your support
and vote on March. Again, it's Mike

697
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:44,400
Armstrong. So, thank you.
Anyone else?

698
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:48,960
Next item on the agenda is the old
business and that's an ordinance

699
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:53,200
adopting the master street plan. Do I
hear a motion to sort of suspend the

700
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:57,040
rules and place this on third and final
reading? Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a

701
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,839
second?
>> Second.

702
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:02,480
» Second by Erica.
>> Roll call.

703
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,520
» Mike.
>> Yes.

704
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,720
» MC.
>> Yes.

705
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,079
» JJ.
>> Yes.

706
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,119
» Mark.
>> Yes.

707
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,119
» Erica.
>> Yes.

708
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:22,079
» City case county Arkansas ordinance
adopting the master street plan.

709
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:27,200
for city of K Springs, Arkansas.
>> Okay. Do I hear a motion to approve

710
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,400
some? Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a
second?

711
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,680
» Second.
>> Second by MC. Any discussion?

712
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:36,680
» Yes.
David,

713
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:43,559
I'm looking at
information you gave us

714
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:52,960
the city council report.
>> Yes, sir.

715
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:59,440
It says mixed use neighborhood
categories along 264 East Avenue were

716
01:02:56,559 --> 01:03:02,760
changed to mix corridor.
What is it?

717
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:12,520
» It's basically just change based on the
downtown.

718
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:23,599
Does that change in those areas?
>> Essentially, no.

719
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:27,960
» Yeah. I mean, it's the
it's just changing.

720
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:39,880
» So, what is it? Mix corridor.
That's where it's changing to correct.

721
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:39,880
Okay. So, mixor

722
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:52,720
There's a little bit.
So allows for wide spectrum uses

723
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:56,119
encourages all housing types and single
families multi

724
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:03,839
recognizes the existence of some street
commercial industrial uses within these

725
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:08,960
areas. Mixed corridor encourages mixed
use development that better responds to

726
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:13,599
multi needs. Uh place the majority of
the parking on the side of your

727
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:17,839
developments. aesthetics
design

728
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,920
industrial.
>> It has a lot of industrial in there, but

729
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:30,599
it would still have to be zoned actually
for industrial and the only place we

730
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,599
actually show industrial is

731
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:39,720
still for something like that to be
allowed to that

732
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:52,720
and And there again, you know, as we
transition into the zoning code, you

733
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:56,799
know, like we have to encompass or
kind of create those categories, right?

734
01:04:54,799 --> 01:05:02,160
Light industrial like currently we don't
have a light industrial category. So if

735
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:05,359
someone right now came to us and said, I
want to do this and called it light

736
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:10,960
industrial, well, we don't have a light
industrial technical category. So we

737
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:15,359
would have to once we work on that kind
of create that and then create what's

738
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:20,760
allowed in industrial typically line
industrial would be where you would

739
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:20,760
allow something like

740
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:29,839
storage
light manufacturing things like that not

741
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:33,839
like not heavy industry essentially you
know

742
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:39,079
it's it's it's something that cities
have put in place kind of on those

743
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,079
corridors to

744
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,559
uses.

745
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:51,440
» Yeah,
I I may have misheard the sentence he

746
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:58,000
was reading from there. I just um on the
excuse corridor Derrick Barer. I just

747
01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:02,799
wanted to mention that within that pink
color, that light pink color, it

748
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:08,559
actually says um I'm sorry
>> that that it does not encourage light.

749
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:14,640
any storage facilities are not
compatible within NBC other light

750
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:21,839
industrial items. And so those would be
of course you dial it in with your

751
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:29,119
zoning map. Um but this resource is
suggesting that industrial items would

752
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:33,640
go into that light industrial category
that's actually on the map which is not

753
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,640
open.

754
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:40,119
just

755
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:47,480
my concern is

756
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:56,160
nomenclature.
This is a future land map, but once if

757
01:06:53,920 --> 01:07:03,280
it's passed tonight, it immediately goes
into use. So, it's not a future land map

758
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:07,039
land use map. It's a current or will be
current. This is It's going to be

759
01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:10,160
adopted, but it's to guide the future
development of the city. It's not some,

760
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:14,400
you know, just because
>> I understand. I understand. It's a

761
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:21,119
guide.
>> But I was here when you first hired on

762
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:26,240
and we had the discussion about
temporary

763
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:30,640
with the RV park and the explanation
that the city, the planning commission

764
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:37,200
used was
that fit, that expansion fit because it

765
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:44,880
met the criteria for park and it met the
criteria for recreation and therefore an

766
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:54,000
RV park fit in there.
I still can't wrap my mind why a RV park

767
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:59,200
meant a park and then recreation. Yeah,
there's a golf course there, but that

768
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,760
has no bearing on the RV.
>> Wow.

769
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:09,119
» And I'm concerned that our planning
commission still operates that way.

770
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:16,480
That's my concern with all of this.
>> We are becoming or seem to be trying to

771
01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:23,279
become Rogers or Venville in the way
we're expanding. Now, everybody has

772
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:27,920
right to sell, don't get me wrong, but
use, we're going to start button up

773
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:35,400
against everybody else and eventually
we're going to run out of space.

774
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:35,400
» Yes. Am I not correct?

775
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:40,839
» Well, on the RV park side, if I'm not
mistaken,

776
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:48,640
so high.
So, that is something.

777
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:53,040
So, once we get into the zoning, which
you know, hopefully by the end of next

778
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:58,799
year, we'll have doing the discussions
again will have in the zoning code more

779
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:03,199
stringent rules on things like RV parks
storage things like that because if I'm

780
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:09,440
not mistaken RV parks are allowed by
right in commercial zone and that piece

781
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:14,319
of land along the highway somewhat was
res commercial and it's allowed by right

782
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:18,159
and there's no
I mean there's there's nothing that we

783
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:22,880
have to stop it essentially at that
point you know that that again that's

784
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:28,080
dumbuture
I'm not I wasn't against the expansion

785
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:34,000
of it. It's the way it was done that
bothered me saying it met criteria for

786
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:42,679
park and met the criteria for
recreation. I mean again you get into

787
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:42,679
place but

788
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:49,600
I'm not a trusting person.
One one thing I might add in regards to

789
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:56,400
I I do appreciate that comment about
running out of space and um and

790
01:09:53,040 --> 01:10:03,280
development happening all around NWA and
C Springs that um and so one thing that

791
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:07,120
I do appreciate about the direction that
the cities go with this map and the

792
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:14,080
planning commission coming from that
downtown plan like mentioned um the map

793
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:18,159
is encouraging mixed uses and more
density

794
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:25,040
within the downtown area and I don't
think that is um I mean that is very

795
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:31,520
much in line with the the history of the
downtown of this community and so the

796
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:37,520
more that we can encourage um with the
mixed uses and and density in the

797
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:41,600
downtown area we can save more land you
know outside of that

798
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:45,679
» the CPZ
do that also it doesn't have to be

799
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,960
because of my late church.
>> Yes,

800
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:57,520
» we're putting in many uh
>> Well, we also don't want we don't want

801
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:59,600
to move forward having easy all the
time.

802
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:04,960
» I agree with that.
>> So, that that that goes back to the

803
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:09,920
zoning up trying to incorporate where
people don't have to

804
01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:13,280
apply for easy and we allow some of
those things by

805
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:18,880
» but
I I fully understand we're coming from

806
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:25,159
Southtown and there there's numerous
things that once we get to the zoning

807
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:25,159
code, we're going to have to find

808
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:34,000
anything else.
I just encourage you to get the zoning

809
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:38,800
done as soon as you can because we I've
been asking for that for a year a year

810
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:44,400
and a half and I really like to see that
because we get the subdivision in

811
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:50,000
downtown master plan. Now we got it.
Let's start working on those zone input

812
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:54,960
because when we do PCD it's okay but as
you said it and I agree with it PC is

813
01:11:52,560 --> 01:12:02,080
not going to resolve our issues.
It's a good thing for now, but we really

814
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:05,080
need to get those code updated and
created

815
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,560
and we're continuing to work on it now
that you know we've got some of this

816
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:15,520
other stuff.
>> Will you get that done faster if we

817
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:21,960
don't have to talk about this future?
>> I mean, we can focus on a little bit,

818
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,960
you know, a little bit

819
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:25,600
further discussion

820
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,760
Yes.
>> JJ,

821
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,320
» yes.
>> Mark,

822
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,320
» yes.

823
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,840
» Okay, that pass for one.

824
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:54,560
Next
motion to approve the emergency.

825
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:59,679
Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
Second by MC

826
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,360
and
>> J.

827
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,320
» Yes.
>> Mark.

828
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,480
» Yes.
>> Erica.

829
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:09,280
» Yes. Mike.
>> MC.

830
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:13,920
» Yes. And what was the number on this?
>> 2025-21.

831
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:17,080
» 21.
Thank you.

832
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:27,120
Next item is a resolution to authorize
the mayor to negotiate the contract

833
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:33,120
for the website. Do I hear a motion to
approve?

834
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:38,480
A motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
Second by MC. Any discussion?

835
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,679
Please update that website. That's the
only.

836
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:48,480
» All in favor say I.
>> I. I. All those like sign that was

837
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:51,480
approved.
>> 2025-55.

838
01:13:53,840 --> 01:14:04,560
» Next item on the agenda is an ordinance
to amend in its entirety the uh

839
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:08,560
franchise agreement with Black Hills
Energy. Do I hear a motion to approve?

840
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:12,640
» So
>> do I hear a second?

841
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:18,080
» Got a motion by
Second by JJ.

842
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:24,239
Roll call. He's going to have to wait.
>> Yes. I'm sorry. Motion to

843
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:30,400
suspend the rules. Place it on third
reading by

844
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:34,040
a motion by JJ and second by.
Okay. Now roll.

845
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,560
» Mark.
>> Yes.

846
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,840
» Erica.
>> Yes. Mike.

847
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:38,880
» Yes.
>> NC.

848
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:42,440
» Yes.
>> JJ.

849
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:42,440
» Yes.

850
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:49,000
Ordinance 22.
Is that right?

851
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:54,520
» Okay.
Or December 2025-22

852
01:14:54,719 --> 01:15:03,440
city county Arkansas
an ordinance to amend in its entirety or

853
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:07,440
December 98 Black Hills Energy Inc.
successors the right privilege of

854
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:12,960
trained to construct, maintain and
operate natural gas systems and lay gas

855
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:16,320
mains along and over across and trans
valley roads highways and other public

856
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:21,280
ways for the purpose of distributing or
selling gas providing for the regulation

857
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:26,840
of the condaling
all in there providing for emergency.

858
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:35,360
» All right. Do I hear a motion to
approve?

859
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:37,199
Motion by JJ. Second by MC.
Call

860
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:40,000
» Erica.
>> Yes. Mike.

861
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,280
» Yes.
>> MC.

862
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,239
» Yes.
>> JJ.

863
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,320
» Yes.
>> Mark.

864
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:50,239
» Yes.
>> Okay, that was approved. Do I hear a

865
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:54,000
motion to approve the emergency clause?
Motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?

866
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:59,360
» Second.
>> Second by Erica.

867
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,719
Roll call.
>> Mike,

868
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:01,920
» yes.
>> MC,

869
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:02,960
» yes.
>> JJ,

870
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:03,920
» yes.
>> Mark,

871
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,640
» yes.
>> Erica,

872
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:12,000
» yes.
>> Okay, that was approved. Next item on

873
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,640
the agenda is an ordinance for the
franchise feot

874
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:27,120
to suspend the rules and place this on
third and final reading.

875
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:29,199
Got a motion by JJ, second by MC.
Roll call.

876
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,320
» MC.
>> Yes.

877
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,360
» JJ,
>> yes.

878
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,400
» Mark,
>> yes.

879
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,199
» Erica,
>> yes. Mike,

880
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:36,199
» yes.

881
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:44,960
» For December 2025-23
County, Arkansas

882
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:51,040
to Bright Speed and Northwest Arkansas
LLC FK and retail

883
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:54,640
Arkansas LLC on behalf of myself and
operating affiliates Bright Speed

884
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:58,159
operate and maintain a telecommunication
system.

885
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:03,840
in the city of Chief Prince, Arkansas.
The city declaring emergency for

886
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:09,600
purposes. Do I hear a motion to approve?
Got a motion by JJ second by MC

887
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,360
roll.
>> JJ,

888
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,480
» yes.
>> Mark,

889
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,239
» yes.
>> Erica, yes. Mike,

890
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,560
» yes.
>> MC,

891
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:22,400
» yes.
>> That was approved. And do I hear a

892
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:26,120
motion to approve the emergency clause?
>> Motion by JJ.

893
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,520
Second by Mike.

894
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,719
» Mark.
>> Yes.

895
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:34,960
» Erica.
>> Yes. Mark.

896
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,920
» MC.
>> Yes.

897
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,920
» JJ.
>> Yes.

898
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:52,080
» All right. That was approved. The next
item is item um

899
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:55,600
the Carol Electric franchise agreement.
Do I hear a motion to suspend the rules

900
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:59,360
and place this on third and final
reading? So motion by JJ. Do I hear a

901
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,600
second?
>> Second.

902
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:05,280
» Second by Erica. Roll call.
>> Erica.

903
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,320
» Yes.
>> Mike.

904
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,360
» Yes.
>> MC.

905
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,800
» Yes.
>> JJ.

906
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,800
» Yes. Mark.
>> Yes.

907
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:22,560
December 2024-24.
City Arkansas

908
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:26,960
number 100
electric successors right privilege and

909
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:32,320
franchise the truck maintain and operate
electric distribution

910
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:37,760
system and to electric lines and
equipment along across streets roads

911
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:41,520
highways and other public ways for the
purpose of distributing and selling

912
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:48,000
electric power regulation of conduct
satellite distribution system all

913
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,000
ordinance in conflict there provides

914
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:57,280
Do I hear a motion to approve?
>> Got a motion by JJ. Second

915
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:59,600
by MC.
Roll call.

916
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:00,880
» Erica,
>> yes. Mike,

917
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:01,840
» yes.
>> MC,

918
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,719
» yes.
>> JJ,

919
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,719
» yes.
>> Mark,

920
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,800
» yes.
>> Okay, that's approved. Do I hear a

921
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:12,560
motion to approve the emergency clause?
>> So move.

922
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:17,040
» A motion by Eric. Do I hear a second?
>> Second by Mark. All in favor? I mean,

923
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,000
» Mike,
>> yes.

924
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:18,960
» MC,
>> yes.

925
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,320
» JJ,
>> yes.

926
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:23,120
» Yes.
>> Erica,

927
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:29,120
» yes.
>> All right, that was

928
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:33,280
» Next item is the franchise agreement
with Southwestern Electric Power Tower.

929
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:39,440
Do I hear a motion to suspend the rules
and place this one on third?

930
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:43,360
» A motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
>> Second.

931
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:45,280
» Second by Mark. Roll call.
>> Erica. Yes. Mike.

932
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,520
» Yes.
>> JJ.

933
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,440
» Mike.
>> Mike.

934
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,719
» Yes.
>> MC.

935
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,679
» Yes.
>> JJ.

936
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:55,159
» Yes.
>> Mark.

937
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:55,159
» Yes.

938
01:20:03,825 --> 01:20:09,239
[snorts] Microsoft
grant to Southwest

939
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:21,880
maintain operate lines and appliances
for conduct electricity in and over

940
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:21,880
approve streets also

941
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:32,080
I hear a motion to approve. So got a
motion by JJ.

942
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:36,400
» Second.
>> Second by Mark.

943
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,360
» MC.
>> Yes.

944
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,800
» JJ.
>> Yes.

945
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,960
» Mark.
>> Yes.

946
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:46,080
» Yes. Mike.
>> Yes.

947
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:51,520
» That was approved. And do I hear a
motion to

948
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:55,400
pass the emergency?
A motion by JJ.

949
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,920
» Second by Mark. Roll call.
>> JJ.

950
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:00,880
» Yes.
>> Mark.

951
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:03,360
» Yes.
>> Erica. Yes. Mike.

952
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:06,880
» MC.
>> Yes.

953
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:13,679
» That is approved.
>> Next item on the agenda is an ordinance

954
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:17,679
to reszone approximately 25.5 acres on
Fort Lane. Do I hear a motion to suspend

955
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:23,280
the rules and place this on third and
final reading with title?

956
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:27,520
A motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
>> Second by MC. Roll call.

957
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:28,640
» Mark,
>> yes.

958
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,159
» Erica,
>> yes. Mike,

959
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,199
» yes.
>> MC,

960
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,000
» yes.
>> JJ,

961
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,000
» yes.

962
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,840
for December 2025-26

963
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:52,920
Arkansas
255 acres of real property located at

964
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,920
579 Ford Lane

965
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:04,000
to approve
motion by JJ do I hear

966
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:08,080
» second by MC any discussion
>> yes

967
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:12,080
Um, David,
you said ask questions at this point.

968
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:17,440
Um, how this would be the most
residentially dense area in all of Cave

969
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:22,239
Springs. Then if this goes up as R3, we
have Hillrest, we have Mount Brown, we

970
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:26,239
have Rentwood, we have Ridgewood, and we
have the We

971
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:32,320
would that be a correct assumption
considering it already was with Hillrest

972
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:37,000
um when they started moving land.
>> I mean, yes. I'm doing other

973
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:46,000
other
growth.

974
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:53,600
» My concern with this property um is the
drainage. We saw what happened with Bill

975
01:22:48,960 --> 01:23:00,400
and um they I I think it is extremely
dense on that side of town and um

976
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:03,520
I know they went down to to an R3 and I
know it came approved from planning

977
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:07,639
commission but I honestly do not think
it's in the best interest of the city.

978
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:16,679
I think
>> any further discussion

979
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:16,679
any

980
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:27,560
» Oh well Yeah, I was
speaking

981
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:45,760
with Associates. I appreciate your time
tonight. U regarding drainage

982
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:49,920
specifically we'll be required to meet
all the engineering requirements

983
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:54,560
requirements set forth by the city of J
Springs in the state of Arkansas

984
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:59,520
professional engineer in the state and
required to meet the requirements for

985
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:05,679
you know public health safety and
welfare so we'll design appropriately

986
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:11,120
requirements furthermore to the west of
us

987
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:15,840
so we'll we'll be able to control the
our site and release and meet the flow

988
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:21,120
rates that's required. Uh regarding
density specifically, the medium density

989
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:26,560
designation was allowed under the
previous land use map is currently

990
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:30,320
allowed in the new one there tonight. So
nothing changed there and the R3 that

991
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:34,880
we're requesting falls under the medium
density requirement. We're capping our

992
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:42,159
unit count around 90 lots. So less than
four units per acre on this side. lesson

993
01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:47,880
neighborhoods but matching the zoning in
the neighborhood and north of Milving

994
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,040
is less than Hillrest.
>> That's correct.

995
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:06,960
» Thank you.
Any

996
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:11,199
other questions?
>> I guess I still have concerns was

997
01:25:10,368 --> 01:25:15,080
[clears throat] met the drainage
requirements and we saw

998
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,280
» roll call.
>> Yes.

999
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:22,400
» JJ,
>> yes.

1000
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:26,600
» Mark,
>> no.

1001
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,600
» Erica, no.

1002
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,800
Okay,

1003
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:49,400
so that was the last thing on our
agenda. Is there any further ad?

1004
01:25:52,159 --> 01:26:02,159
I want to share with the council that um
communication came out and filled the

1005
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:06,760
six foot hole in my backyard
>> that exposed the communication line.

1006
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:12,080
» You guys help us to do something. It's
amazing.

1007
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:15,280
» That took a while. Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn.

1008
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:20,719
» Okay. Second.
>> Thank you.

1009
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,719
» I have most motions tonight.