[0:00] To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
[0:05] stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:10] for all.
[0:14] most.
[0:19] We pray Lord that you be with every
[0:24] business tonight.
[0:49] approval of the uh October 23rd 28
[0:59] council agenda. Do I hear a motion to
approve?
[1:03] » Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
>> Second.
[1:08] » Second by Erica. Any discussion? All in
favor say
[1:12] » I.
>> All oppose like sign.
[1:17] Next item is September 23rd, 2025
minutes. Do I hear a motion to approve
[1:24] the amended version?
>> I'll move to approve.
[1:30] » All right. Do I hear a second?
>> Okay. As your city clerk, it's not your
[1:35] authority to change my minutes.
your not
[1:41] » I understand
>> the uh got a motion in a second to amend
[1:46] and or to approve the amended. Now the
floor is open for discussion
[1:51] and the we had a question as to whether
or not the item five in here was
[1:59] approved.
It is it
[2:04] we want to go ahead and have a show of
hands of those that voted yes on the
[2:09] amended agenda.
[2:15] Show of hands on those that voted yes.
That's four. That approves the agenda.
[2:21] So with that stated that's the only
amendment.
[2:25] » It doesn't work that way.
>> Yes it does.
[2:27] » No sir it does not. I'm sorry but you
are incorrect. As the city clerk, I have
[2:32] already completed these minutes. And now
I have to go back and add this to this
[2:37] minute. So I have to be able to show
that there's a history on why we voted
[2:42] just now to show a history on why it you
have to show that transparency. I
[2:47] understand I'm not changing my minutes
and you don't have the ability to change
[2:51] my minutes as a city.
>> I'd like
[2:54] » I have gotten legal opinion from you,
municipality. I've already done that.
[2:57] » That's [clears throat] fine. I'd like
[3:02] Mayor, the council uh is asked to
approve the minutes at every meeting.
[3:07] Often times they name amendments or
adjustments to them. Uh and so this was
[3:12] done to correct.
I see no problem with it. Council can
[3:17] vote to change
[3:22] to the
minutes or the amended minutes were
[3:27] approved. They need to vote to strike
those minutes. Then that's the only way
[3:31] that these minutes can be changed. They
need to strike that comment from there
[3:35] and they need to vote that they are
striking those comments. That's the only
[3:38] way that the minutes can be changed
because we've already have a history on
[3:42] our minutes from before. Then he brought
it up as a work session. So then I got
[3:47] something on work session and now he
brought it up at this council meeting.
[3:50] So to be able to show transparency and
history of why this has happened this
[3:55] way, they have to show up in the
minutes.
[3:59] Mayor, my opinion has not changed. The
minutes have not been approved until the
[4:03] council just did so and so those are now
additional proceedings. So the October
[4:08] September 23rd
>> I'm not changing
[4:12] [clears throat]
[4:15] those
[4:19] 202.
>> Okay. The October 14 25 minutes. I would
[4:25] entertain a motion to approve the
amended version of those.
[4:34] » Got a motion from Mark. Do I hear a
second?
[4:39] » Second.
>> Got a motion from Mark and second from
[4:43] Erica.
Is there any discussion on this?
[4:47] » These minutes will not be changed
either.
[4:50] » Um,
all in favor say I.
[4:55] What changes are I mean what's an
amendment on it? So this
[4:58] » okay on the on these there is a partial
transcript rather than minutes
[5:05] and the um
>> yes if I can on the first item uh of the
[5:11] uh of the minutes as they were presented
that's for resolution to authorize and
[5:19] further back IRS taxes uh There are some
statements here uh that I think
[5:28] design captured a part of the discussion
that was occurring. Um I think that's
[5:33] editorializing I think
from the
[5:39] complete uh there was a there was a
discussion about uh what some of the
[5:44] parts of
the IRS that were received the statement
[5:52] um
Mark Williams had
[5:56] a statement some confusion about what
some parts of that meant. Mark Williams
[6:02] brought some clarity to that. Uh that's
not included. So I think this is
[6:06] partial. Uh your minutes in the past
reflect uh the uh you know who made the
[6:13] motion, who second the motion uh you
know what the vote was. be my
[6:17] recommendation that we do the same here
because I don't think this is an
[6:20] accurate portrayal of discussion that
occurred on
[6:28] your description.
>> It also states in the bottom of your
[6:30] minutes on the bottom of the page. It
says transcriptions of the proceedings.
[6:35] It says that on every single one of my
minutes as well. So
[6:40] » all in favor say I.
So, we'reing the original.
[6:47] » So, there's a um there's one of them
that's an original and there's one of
[6:51] them that is um
that doesn't have that highlighted
[6:58] paragraph. Uh and it just has to vote,
you know, who made the motion, who made
[7:03] the second and the vote count for that
particular body and it doesn't include
[7:07] the statements that are
>> the amended
[7:13] Yeah.
[7:17] » For one thing, it's not accurate. Uh
other thing I don't think it's
[7:20] editorial. I think um so the paragraph
that's in there is not an accurate
[7:25] account of the of of that discussion.
There was more of that discussion that
[7:30] occurred. I just mentioned that Mark
has some statements in that regard to
[7:36] correct what what the confusion was and
that's not included.
[7:40] » Yeah. I don't have that much.
>> Yeah. And so rather than kind of have a
[7:44] partial account of the discussion, I
think it's best just to have discussion.
[7:49] » Why can't we add this discussion?
>> I mean uh
[7:53] » that
you you could the whole discussion would
[7:58] have to be transcribed. There is a
there's an audio recording of minutes of
[8:04] anybody meeting. So anybody that watches
the meeting can can hear it for
[8:08] themselves. Uh but I think having a kind
of a partial account is not something
[8:13] that you want to have on this particular
issue.
[8:17] » I don't want to have a partial but if
that will resolve the issue because I
[8:21] know Mark corrected me on that issue.
>> Um I'm sorry.
[8:30] » Yes.
One thing is if we in our packet which
[8:34] would be included
right these are all archived and saved
[8:39] is the IRM's actual statement.
So we have never done an account like
[8:48] this that I recall in our minutes
>> ever. So the precedent has been set that
[8:56] we do it like it's been done
and if the IRS statement is included
[9:06] what I don't understand what the issue
is because this isn't what we typically
[9:09] do.
That is my thoughts. What we typically
[9:13] do is the amended version and that's
what we typically do. No matter what no
[9:20] matter what it is, that's what we do.
So, I don't know why we would put a an
[9:26] extra paragraph in an explanation when
clearly the IRS statement is there.
[9:31] » You're welcome to pull our our minutes
from previous meetings and we have done
[9:35] this in the past. M
I'm not saying it happens all the time.
[9:40] I'm saying that typically it's like what
it is on these minutes, a blur that says
[9:45] this person passed it or this person um
approved it, this person seconded it and
[9:50] it went on. The reason that I made that
statement to put in here is because on
[9:54] the resolution it says for 2024, but on
the paperwork that was provided it says
[10:00] also for 2025. So that's what those are
for. Well, also it isn't that the
[10:06] interest that was accured for 2025. So
that's not the actual statement from
[10:11] 2020.
>> But that's the back of the paperwork
[10:13] that was provided to the council and
that packet said 2025.
[10:16] » But that was on the interest. So we owe
a bill from what he says it's interest
[10:20] » interest on notice from 24
first quarter in 24
[10:28] please mayor let her finish you're not
controlling the meeting.
[10:32] » I know I'm trying to figure out
>> you're trying to Yes.
[10:35] » I'm trying to figure out as the clerk so
we can get this resolved.
[10:38] » That's right.
>> Thank you. So that's interest from 2020
[10:42] 2025 but on a 2024 bill. So you don't a
bill on time, we acrew interest, right?
[10:50] And so it it's not a 2025 bill. It's a
2024 bill. Correct.
[10:56] » Correct. But the invoice that was
provided in our council packet showed
[11:00] that that was 2025
that
[11:03] » because the statement date,
>> the statement date said, I remember
[11:07] clearly October 6 that the statement
date came out. Of course, interest is
[11:11] going to acrew on a bill that's not paid
from 2024,
[11:14] but it's a bill from 2024. Correct.
>> Correct.
[11:19] » And the interest ac
time, we approve interest in 2025. It's
[11:25] a 2024 bill.
That's all I'm saying is that if you
[11:29] don't pay a bill on time, we acrew
interest as it passes, right? And now
[11:33] we're in a new year. So the interest is
there. It's not a 2025 bill. It's a 2024
[11:38] bill that has approved interest in 2025.
So I still view it as a 2024 bill.
[11:47] It's just that we're late on paying and
therefore interest ac
[11:54] but if that is included I don't see and
and I I don't recall every everything
[12:00] you do. I'm sure you've broken it down
before but most of the time it says
[12:04] this. So, I don't agree with with this
is what I'm saying. And it's because
[12:10] it's a 2024 bill that accured interest
in 2025 with a statement date of October
[12:15] 6, 2025. Now that I understand why she
wanted to put this in and your
[12:21] explanation of why 2024 the interest
rate wasn't your conc.
[12:37] » So you're saying you're okay with the
100%.
[12:42] » Is that what you're saying?
>> Okay.
[12:47] that I think discussion.
[12:53] Any further discussion?
All in favor say I.
[12:58] » I.
>> All those like sign and that pass.
[13:05] Next item on the agenda is the financial
reports.
[13:11] entertain a motion to accept the uh
financial reports for water and sewer.
[13:21] So move.
>> Got a motion by Erica. Do I hear a
[13:24] second? Second. Second by JJ. Any
discussion?
[13:29] All in favor say I.
>> I.
[13:33] » All oppose like to sign.
That's approved.
[13:38] I saw Carl just walked in. Uh one of the
financials for the general fund or the
[13:44] city financials. Um I'm at Carl's
working on getting those uh repaired and
[13:52] we last time we talked about it. Uh he
was saying we should have them corrected
[13:58] version by the first or by December. So
I'm going to ask that we table them
[14:04] again this month.
Do I have a motion?
[14:16] » Got a motion by hear.
[14:21] » So, can we get this done faster than
waiting until December?
[14:29] I'm ready to see some results here.
[14:36] Can we have that sooner than December
because it's we've been tingling this
[14:41] financial
>> we will have financials by December. I
[14:45] cannot promise you that they will be
absolutely perfect. There's a lot of
[14:51] work to do right now.
[14:57] That's the truth. That's true.
[15:03] So we might have it by December.
>> I will have financials for you by
[15:07] December. I can't I'm not going to stand
here and tell you that everything will
[15:12] be exactly balanced. Will all be exactly
what they should be. There's there's a
[15:20] lot of stuff to go through reconcile to
get to the right number
[15:26] that that needs to be on the balance
sheet because you got you got
[15:32] liabilities on your balance sheet. It
doesn't work. That means that that means
[15:38] that
the people that you say you have a
[15:42] liability to actually work.
[15:47] Sorry. It's hard work here.
I mean, you want if you want if you want
[15:54] me to to
run through it and do a
[15:59] half, you know, job, I can do that or
else.
[16:04] » I'm not asking you to do that. So, don't
don't take it personal. I'm not asking
[16:09] that. I'm just I'm just hoping we can
get this number sooner because the
[16:13] city's financial keep being postponed
postponed and I'm just like
[16:18] » more
time. That's
[16:21] » I will finally
[16:29] answer it.
[16:34] » Any further discussion?
All in favor say I.
[16:40] » I.
>> All those like sign. Those are table.
[16:45] Next item on the agenda is the
department reports. Uh fire department
[17:14] successful.
[17:25] We're right.
[17:39] » Thank you.
Next, please.
[17:47] Hey guys,
it's uh business as usual. Uh I was off
[17:54] there for a couple weeks cuz I had a
little health issue. I had the procedure
[17:59] done. Um whether you guys knew this or
not, apparently there was one day while
[18:05] I was out
that our vehicles had to be grounded.
[18:11] Insurance hadn't been paid.
Not sure if you guys are aware of that
[18:16] or not, but I just wanted you guys to be
aware of it. I got the phone call when I
[18:21] s
that we had to all our police officers
[18:25] to stay at the police department
until the insurance was paid. Um, fire
[18:32] chief talked more about that since he
was here and he ran down the rock and it
[18:40] my understanding
we operated about a month and a half,
[18:44] two months with no vehicle insurance,
which is against the law for one
[18:51] to [clears throat]
we set ourselves up for a lawsuit
[18:56] waiting to happen.
>> So,
[18:59] but that's why that happened miles away.
So, um but other than that, back up. We
[19:06] got the insurance. We're good.
Um soon as that happened and like I
[19:11] said, can talk more about it if you guys
have questions about that. I didn't
[19:16] speak with him. I did not have any
conversation with him whatsoever.
[19:21] Again, I was out um dealing with a
medical bill.
[19:30] » That was in September
when that happened. You remember the
[19:34] day? I'll let talk a little bit more
about that.
[19:39] » So,
[19:42] insurance card expired September 16th I
believe and while he was going I seen we
[19:49] didn't have a new card so I went over
and talked to Keith and some other
[19:53] departments over there so we started
with the found
[20:07] » so I said man who's supposed to pay
That was actually the
[20:13] bills came in June. They were supposed
to be paid by June 1st and it got cut
[20:18] off on the 19th, the 5th of July. I mean
July 1st. It got cut off the 19th of
[20:25] July is when because they cut a second
or sent a second notice right after the
[20:31] first or right around the middle of
July. And so that was that was before we
[20:39] got Carl or anyone else in finance.
>> Still you didn't ask my question. I said
[20:46] » it was when it was when we still had our
clerk.
[20:50] » I've actually spoke to the municipal
league on that. They did an update to
[20:54] it's called a software called Origami.
So when they did an update to the
[20:58] origami that for the last previous years
all of our mail was going to the PO box
[21:03] 36. So when they did the update to the
origami, it sent it to uh to 134 North
[21:08] Main. We don't get mail at 134 North
Main and the post office did not send
[21:14] our mail from 134 North Main and put it
into our PO box office. They send it
[21:19] back.
So we weren't getting any mail from that
[21:23] 134 mailing address is what the the
ladies from Municipal League was telling
[21:28] me. And so Miss Sheila at Municipal
League is trying to figure out what had
[21:34] happened and why the address transferred
from 134 or from the PO box 36 to the
[21:41] 134 North
[21:44] » that's our physical address but we don't
know I'm just
[21:49] [clears throat]
>> because we don't receive mail there we
[21:52] have no mail the post office doesn't
deliver
[22:03] That's really not good. I mean,
honestly, I'm not I'm not happy about
[22:08] that. I don't know how we can
What can we do to make sure that doesn't
[22:14] happen again?
>> I think we have I think we got it all
[22:17] fixed up.
>> I've worked with
[22:22] the city and I think
You know, I have it on my on my computer
[22:27] also that they pay insurance to do this
and so
[22:35] [snorts] I'm that you know
I thought other people were track
[22:59] next planning commission
[23:06] Good evening.
>> Evening question last week
[23:11] had a couple items on the agenda. One
for
[23:16] this
new annex subdivision. We had a permit
[23:23] come in for retaining wall neighbor
the decision of approval. There's a
[23:29] process that goes you know into the
approval of it but planning commission
[23:34] is the under the board
[23:39] they are the group that
they build the administrative decision
[23:48] and then we have preliminary petroleum
this is the one that we've been working
[23:53] on right off the wall everything still
going through they just wanted to look
[23:58] reworking some of their sewer lines for
better alignment with future
[24:04] connectivity. So they have got a new
plan to us and Drew's been looking at it
[24:10] you know among others within and they're
going to come back collaboration
[24:15] probably come back to us in the work
session in November and look at
[24:22] that being said we'll probably postpone
the planning commission meeting for next
[24:28] week we don't have any
[24:34] other things that is on there is the
other stuff we want to look at you have
[24:37] before you tonight. the reasoning of the
property for light. We'll talk about
[24:44] that if you have any questions. We can
talk about that later once we get to it.
[24:48] And then you general updates haven't
really changed since the last meeting.
[24:54] We're still working on the
legacy project proposal that was
[24:59] accepted and moving forward with that
for next year in conjunction with the
[25:04] water.
And of course, that's something I did
[25:09] notice
[25:12] are meeting to continue work on this. I
want to say
[25:17] middle of next week.
[25:27] Specific questions.
[25:31] Thank you.
Next item is water and department.
[25:44] Start with the
[25:47] got a lot of meters to set up
and one leak that we know of which is
[25:54] fire hydrant that's scheduled to be
prepared on Monday. We wait on the parts
[25:58] for a few weeks.
[26:02] Um
and then we have our water set.
[26:09] Looking at the water loss report, you
can see it jumped from 37 to 54. Uh I
[26:16] believe the reason for that is when we
tightened up the shoot line that was
[26:21] leaking about 2 and 12 million gallons a
month, it increased the pressure in the
[26:26] line and then created leaks elsewhere.
To address this, I went into our KMZ
[26:34] GIS map and found the remaining Y that
we know of. And so we are working on a
[26:41] game plan to get all that abandoned. We
just abandoned another 400T stretch of
[26:46] that on Round Road. Um, but as of right
now, there's an estimated 2700 ft of
[26:54] galvan [clears throat] ice in the ground
still. Based on that math, there might
[26:58] be we don't know and about 600 ft of
unknown pipe. So there's we don't know
[27:05] the composition of the pipe. It could be
could be the old
[27:10] place. So that is the game plan.
[27:16] So any questions?
[27:20] Well, we discussed that last night this
morning regarding the water loss. There
[27:27] was some recommendation previously when
they did the when they did the
[27:33] [clears throat] locating the you know
water loss there was I think there was a
[27:38] few recommendation in there to what are
those recommendation and where we have
[27:42] done those
>> yes so with the breed study is what
[27:46] you're referring to they came out and
located our system uh listening for
[27:51] leaks using an acoustic device their
recommendations they had about seven we
[27:57] are currently
doing five of those recommendations. The
[28:00] two that we are not doing are we're
working towards one. Uh one being
[28:06] it was also suggested that during the
investigation that a high quantity of
[28:09] leakage could potentially be occurring
in particular communities due to
[28:13] excessive pressure and so they
recommended that we install PRBs or
[28:18] other pressure management solutions.
That is being looked into with the water
[28:23] mouse comp. They're going to tell us
strategic points to
[28:28] valves, pressure related valves. This
could provide some relief for for our
[28:32] pipes. The other recommendation
is
[28:38] district meter areas or data driven
solutions. So district meter area would
[28:43] basically
you know you install meters in strategic
[28:48] locations on your system and then so
take for example you've got a system you
[28:54] install a meter at the entrance of that
pipeline forward
[29:00] and then you take the difference between
the usage of the the residential meters
[29:05] and the water that's come into the
system and compare that difference and
[29:09] that will tell you your water in that
area of the distribution system.
[29:15] » Can I ask you a question about that? So
now with these new developments going
[29:18] up, is that going to be a requirement
for them to put that stuff in on the
[29:22] front end like Hillrest and then the one
on Rainbow Dr.'s own property? Is that
[29:30] something that can be tied into that?
>> Right now it's not in our specs to
[29:36] require developers to do that. It's
certainly something to discuss if we'd
[29:40] like
to add to that as as the water master
[29:46] plan gets completed, we're going to find
the higher pressure areas are going to
[29:50] follow the lower elevation within the
city. So once that master plan actually
[29:54] outlines that, it'll look like it'll
look at that in totality as development
[29:59] takes place. And so that can be a
requirement for those specific
[30:03] subdivisions.
It will depend on each specific
[30:06] subdivision that comes in and the
specific location they're located.
[30:10] » So the new ones that aren't yet
currently like Hillrest would be out for
[30:14] that because they're currently underre
but the other ones or can the city put
[30:19] it on on the front end before
home stop using water and sewer.
[30:26] » Okay.
>> Part of that recommendation was
[30:30] [clears throat]
the second part was data driven
[30:33] solutions. So, for example, Rogers has
1,600
[30:38] pressure sensors throughout their
system. You know, if you have a sensor
[30:41] here, a sensor here, if there's a
discrepancy between those sensors, it
[30:46] kind of pinpoints where they need to be
looking for a leak. So, they use
[30:50] correlation to find, you know, it's this
part from this sensor, this part from
[30:54] this sensor. That's another
recommendation that we could also look
[30:58] into. And that would allow us to go out
there, use our acoustic leak detector
[31:04] and pinpoint exactly where the leak is
before even services because according
[31:09] to the study 94% of our leaks never come
to service which is what we're
[31:13] struggling with now
[31:18] that's what I was asking you that
question because we're getting to the
[31:21] point we're fixing some we go down then
some new one and also are we putting
[31:27] them in sleeves now I mean the pipe and
putting pipe we put them in now is the
[31:33] Yes, it's in space. I think it was one
of the workplace.
[31:38] » I think we need to start looking.
>> I'm saying that because you're doing a
[31:43] great job. I'm not criticizing you. I
want to
[31:48] committee. We really need to start
looking ahead of time. I mean, if 2008,
[31:56] we were looking at the pipe sleep. maybe
we wouldn't have as much pipes that we
[32:01] have to replace now. So 10 years from
now whoever is here of course I'm not
[32:07] here whoever is here I don't want them
say no 10 years ago they have done
[32:11] something to help that and that's why I
want to look at outside the box and look
[32:16] at other recommendation that we can get
what we can do [clears throat] like this
[32:22] other study the master water study
Daniel is going to do that's great I had
[32:29] done that a year ago so we were two
years
[32:33] So we need to start looking into
[32:38] future ahead of time not fixing it for
now. That's my recommendation is my
[32:44] challenge to you and my
committee. We both are not happy with
[32:50] what we see and you working really hard
is working hard. You're doing great job.
[32:56] It's just we don't know what
those pipes are.
[33:03] When the pressure changes on them, they
start.
[33:07] So, we need to think outside the box.
That's my challenge for myself.
[33:13] Absolutely.
[33:18] » Thank you. Thank you.
Next item is the engineers report.
[33:25] I'll touch on several [clears throat]
I'll touch on several water sewer
[33:29] projects that are currently ongoing. In
your packet, you've got the notes from
[33:33] last night's meeting.
The N project, we're wrapping that up as
[33:39] we speak. As
we got actually two sign offs on our
[33:44] sign offs, we're trying to finalize
contractage,
[33:49] complete uh funding request with NRD.
the existing wastewater treatment plant
[33:57] and pump station. We're currently
decommissioning those contractor out
[34:01] there the basins as well as removing the
pump station on the golf course and turn
[34:07] those over to the original agreement to
back to
[34:11] course.
And lastly, I want to talk to you a
[34:15] little about water service area
expansion up here on the screen. And
[34:20] this uh we went over this last night the
meeting. Uh just as a general reminder,
[34:27] water and sewer service areas are like
school district boundaries. They do not
[34:31] follow
city limits. So some exhibit I have in
[34:36] front of you at the moment.
What's in red is actually what you
[34:41] currently have on file with the Arkansas
Natural Resource Commission as your
[34:46] water service area. This color here is
Roger's water and then the purple color
[34:53] bill. And then lastly, what you'll see
here on the bottom is water utilities.
[34:59] As part of any expansions that we do, we
actually have to prepare a report,
[35:03] submit that to the natural resource
division. Uh they will hold a public
[35:07] hearing. We have to notify all the
water in the proximity to this area and
[35:14] get their comments on any expansions
that we're claiming.
[35:19] U we have reached out to the bill is
generally in in agreement with what our
[35:25] plan is. Let me show you real quickly
what what our plan is.
[35:30] » Does that currently include
the area or is that still Rogers?
[35:36] » It's still it's still with Rogers. We
haven't noted in the report that it will
[35:41] transition upon our connection our
service connection to that that area
[35:47] as well as the others that we we gave up
the connection the station side. What
[35:53] you'll see here in yellow is what we uh
have developed in the water committee or
[35:58] we plan to recommend or having
discussions with our neighbor
[36:04] idea. [clears throat]
Highway 264 is running right through
[36:10] here and highway 112 runs through here.
This light blue line is the 12in water
[36:18] line was installed with the sales tax
bond issue that was passed several years
[36:23] ago. And this green line is what was the
sewer line which carries our waste water
[36:29] to to so it makes sense uh where these
areas in yellow that we continue to move
[36:35] further west and join up with our
neighbors. Makes a lot of sense here.
[36:40] One challenge we have uh you can see
city limits in this light gray blue
[36:47] color actually down all the way to
highway 264
[36:53] but you'll look at our service area
dissects that section of their city
[36:59] limits. We had a water service area
prior to those
[37:06] not annexations annexations from the
property owners that live in that area.
[37:11] So, we presented this to Bentonville.
We've been working on this over a year
[37:15] and their response, [clears throat]
excuse me. Their response was uh rather
[37:21] than just the
water service areas is to present a
[37:27] franchise agreement where we can
actually service uh their uh residents
[37:33] within the city limits. We have that
Justin has it. we reviewing that uh
[37:38] determine which path we need to how do
we need to move forward and that's
[37:42] that's what I'm going to ask tonight. Do
you guys have a direction or what you
[37:46] would like us to move forward with that?
Now, two things we do. We got a couple
[37:50] options. One, we can go ahead and submit
this to NRD as we have presented here
[37:56] and have to go through the public
meeting and there will be comments back
[38:00] from our neighbors associated with that.
Or we could do a combination of
[38:04] franchise agreement and adjust this
submitt to NRD which effectively we can
[38:11] remove the area here
uh where we overlap and only ask for
[38:18] things outside of the city's
city limits if you will. Now part of
[38:24] this franchise agreement there's a
couple things that we would need to
[38:27] negotiate. Number one, um
any improvements that are generated in
[38:34] this area, we spend our money uh to
invest in that infrastructure. We would
[38:40] like any impact fees to return back to
the city of K Springs based on our
[38:46] current ordinances. And probably the
other larger item is at some point they
[38:52] reserve the right to come in and take
that infrastructure whenever they
[38:56] continue to build.
down to that area where they can connect
[39:00] to it. They would like that to revert
back to the city of ownership. We
[39:05] recommend if that were to happen that
they would purchase that and whatever
[39:09] value that is at the top. So again
looking at a couple of options we want
[39:15] to move forward as we have been working
and going to present this TRD or a
[39:20] combination of what we have here today
and a franchise agreement with the city
[39:25] of B. Should be noted that uh the city
of Hill does have a franchise agreement
[39:30] with Senator as well and based on my
understanding it's worked well. I've not
[39:36] heard anything any different.
[clears throat] With that I will open it
[39:41] up for questions.
[39:47] » I think as discussed last night we need
to see that franchise agreement and
[39:52] understand it before we can make
[39:59] Well, we can
visit with Justin and see if there's an
[40:03] opportunity we can have it back at the
next work session. Show you what that
[40:07] looks like. And I would I would
anticipate this would go back and forth
[40:11] negotiating back and forth between each
entity as approved by both governance.
[40:29] Any other questions? Clear as mud.
[40:36] » All right. The last item, engineering
report, just a couple projects to
[40:41] discuss. The West Road sidewalks. We
received our approval that has been
[40:45] advertised. Our opening bids on the 13th
of November at 2 pm. So we'll be back
[40:51] for you next city council meeting with
the recommendation of the word contract
[40:56] contractor extended sidewalk. The other
item on everyone's mind is the traffic
[41:01] signal. The poles will arrive at the
contractor's yard at the end of this
[41:06] week is scheduled to begin construction
next week.
[41:11] stilling some with sweat coat but that
is the latest as of middle of the day
[41:17] today
[41:21] or something
[41:25] » the poles were completed they just had
not been shipped maintained on the
[41:30] manufacturer's yard that's what we've
been waiting for is to get them to the
[41:34] conting
[41:48] We're pushing.
>> Any other questions?
[41:52] » I have a question.
>> Yes, ma'am.
[41:54] » Um, the sewer capacity study. So, we
have our new one complete. Is that done
[41:59] yet?
>> We have a graph that we reviewed uh last
[42:04] month or previous month's meeting. We're
making a few adjustments based on
[42:07] comments that we received.
for the water meeting. We'll be ready, I
[42:12] would say, in the next couple months to
present to the council if yall would
[42:15] like to see it.
>> Okay. Because I had um some questions. I
[42:20] meant to reach out to you today, but I
wasn't able to. Um I remember that that
[42:24] Buffington property that was here, they
with all these subdivisions coming in,
[42:31] you know, they the number of homes that
would have been like on that property.
[42:35] Um it was my understanding communicated
that
[42:41] didn't know if it could go forward
unless the sewer capacity study was
[42:44] complete. So,
how are we building these developments
[42:49] without the sewer capacity study?
Is it
[42:54] Could you expand upon that? You
understand what I'm asking? Because
[42:57] we're approving a lot of development,
but I know one development did leave
[43:03] because
they we didn't know if that particular
[43:07] land could
work for the sewer system and the new
[43:12] lift station. So
with all of these developments being
[43:16] approved, are are we worried about sewer
capacity because a lot of homes have
[43:22] gone up?
>> No, they they have been evaluated on a
[43:25] case by case basis. So what the sewer
study is actually doing is taking a
[43:30] holistic view of what's available in the
city, what's left in the city, and
[43:34] identifying areas for new trunk lines to
go
[43:38] to be installed throughout basins where
where nothing exists.
[43:43] to max to help us size the future
capacity of the sewer. So what we don't
[43:48] want to do, for example, what we don't
want to do is install an 8 in sewer line
[43:52] in an area and develop coming in 10
years down the road. All of a sudden
[43:55] that 8 in is not enough for that new
development. We size it and determine
[43:59] that that needs to be 15 in or larger
sewer line and potentially do a cost
[44:05] share or ask the developer to install
something larger than than needed for
[44:10] their development. U what is going on
right now with the model that we develop
[44:15] as developers do come in and ask for
capacity to your current pressurized
[44:21] system and step system we have that has
been modeled and we can put that in the
[44:25] model to determine if that capacity
exists with that size of development
[44:30] with the current infrastructure you have
to station we have used that on a couple
[44:36] occasions already with
with developers
[44:41] But depending on the the property
bill for instance, that is one that that
[44:49] requirement was placed on the developer
to show us to study our system their
[44:55] connection point to ensure that there
was enough capacity that we reviewed and
[44:59] commented and went back and forth
several times to determine if they could
[45:03] in fact connect to that to the system.
>> Okay. So it has not stopped in
[45:09] development.
>> Okay.
[45:11] » Now we may have we may have told some
developers that this is in process. We
[45:15] can't tell them what the ultimate size
of a gravity line is until it's
[45:20] completed at this point.
>> Okay.
[45:23] » We have not stopped. I think what maybe
is like someone
[45:36] that's the question where we at
no I think we are comfortable having
[45:42] performing this study at this point is a
good put places you in a very good
[45:47] position not only that the the lift
station that we just completed there
[45:52] station back it was designed based on
the current size of the city of
[45:57] education rings with expansion potential
what we're talking about this water
[46:01] service area that we just went over. So
I can't remember exactly we have places
[46:07] for two additional pumps in the station.
>> We have placements for that. So as we
[46:14] grow we won't be able to expand that
list. We'll add a pump and then we'll
[46:18] add another pump. Now ultimately at some
point depending I mean as as far as we
[46:23] can plan with our crystal ball that's
all we can do densities and some of the
[46:29] plans I think you'll talk about tonight.
Uh as we're looking uh other densities
[46:34] as well
that plays a role in this. So some of
[46:37] our neighboring cities where they're
running into challenges, infrastructure
[46:41] that was 50 years ago was not based on a
higher density what we're seeing wind
[46:47] that's where some of those struggles are
coming.
[46:52] But as far as we're concerned, I think
we're planning very well.
[46:56] » Okay.
>> So we're we're good with what we
[47:00] currently have on the agenda. what we
currently have approved and more
[47:05] development to come.
>> It should it should be noted five years
[47:11] ago that was not the case because we
were we knew that due to the growth we
[47:16] were going to reach capacity
with the current treatment plants and
[47:20] the drip fields that we had and we had
to make a decision on whether we stop
[47:24] growing or do we make an investment to
go to Naka and that's where you have the
[47:28] vision to move forward and go to NAL.
That was not the case that we preserved.
[47:34] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Anything else?
[47:38] Thank you. Next item is the attorney's
report.
[47:44] » Good evening, council.
Also, we have franchise agreements on
[47:49] the agenda uh later. So, looking forward
to getting those done and and in place.
[47:56] uh coming up u at the next court session
plan to have a draft of a few revisions
[48:02] to personnel handbook uh that we've been
working on. So we have that one for you.
[48:08] I'll also have
to see the water franchise that we've
[48:12] talked about. Um, I'll provide you with
the version that was provided to us bill
[48:16] and then I'll provide you also with the
version with recommended changes to it.
[48:21] Um, to to handle some of the issues that
Daniel
[48:25] uh brought up. Um, also uh uh some
things that are in the works as Daniel
[48:31] mentioned with the NA project now that
commissioning is uh decommissioning is
[48:35] happening with some of the implements
over the over at the golf course. We're
[48:41] in a position to
uh to be ready to to do that transfer.
[48:46] That's already been approved some time
back now. It's been a year or two uh on
[48:52] where that was approved, but there may
be something where we decide it may be a
[48:56] good idea to bring it back through just
to get
[48:59] to make sure we're all on the same page.
But essentially, we're going to be
[49:03] transferring those assets that remain
over to um over the golf course. Um and
[49:10] then there'll be a release of some of
the ements that are there that we're
[49:13] getting in a water sewer ement that we
need for [snorts] our system
[49:18] if you kind of recall all that from a
couple years ago. Uh lastly, oh had a
[49:25] meeting at Holland yesterday went
through a number of kind of uh project
[49:31] issues, things that are going on. U
talked quite a bit about drainage and
[49:35] we're going to continue to be uh looking
at that. I'm looking at it from a a
[49:40] point of view of of what type of changes
might we need just based on things that
[49:45] we've we've encountered. So, we're going
to continue working on that. Uh the
[49:49] agenda on that meeting was too big for
us to complete one day. So, we're going
[49:53] to uh meet back and and do that. But I I
do think that
[49:59] changes coming up on that in the next
couple months. Uh so, that's a little
[50:03] harder maybe, you know, maybe coming in
January.
[50:08] and some updates that we need to do. So,
uh those are just
[50:13] four different things that are kind of
ongoing right now. Any any questions for
[50:18] me?
[50:21] » Thank you.
Next treasur
[50:29] and then the mayor's report.
very brief, but we are currently working
[50:35] with all the department heads on
budgets. It's that time of year. Hope to
[50:40] have you a budget very quickly to be
able to review that their input is on
[50:45] their departments and it is it is coming
from a group effort that's being
[50:52] directed by the department heads. So
that should be coming to you all very
[50:57] soon and looking forward to preparing
for next year. Next item is public
[51:05] comments.
[51:08] Any public comments?
[clears throat and cough]
[51:23] Um I am asking
[51:31] I know that we keep this down the road
but my house
[51:36] 102 days ago. Um it does seem like we
would love to things here. I'm just
[51:41] curious if there's ever going to be a
resolution or a plan of action or
[51:52] you guys.
>> So, did you hear that the attorney and
[51:56] the engineer were meeting about the
drainage issue?
[51:59] » I did hear that, but I heard that it
takes more than I feel like is a long
[52:06] time.
So, I did hear about
[52:10] I don't feel like it because it's not a
part of me or I don't know
[52:15] » or it's a process. It takes time.
>> I agree.
[52:19] » Yeah.
>> But I don't think this is the first to
[52:21] experience my knowledge. Um
>> I don't think so either. Thousands of
[52:25] years of floods and that's why we have
engineers to try to help figure it out.
[52:29] I don't know what else we can do other
than rely on our engineers. Do you want
[52:33] us to hire more engineers? Do you want
us to like have them do a battle royale?
[52:37] It's just you come and you've sworn at
us before and it's just we're not
[52:41] kicking this down the road. It's an
important issue to us. There's not much
[52:44] more that we can do. I can't come to
your house and figure it out. I don't
[52:47] know how. I just I literally don't know
the engineering or the math. So, I can't
[52:52] figure it out. I have to outsource that
opinion to our engineer
[52:57] and then he's going to come with a plan
that they're going to, you know, again
[53:00] try and figure out. It isn't going to be
instant though. It's going to take
[53:03] » I'm not expecting it to be instant. I
don't think anybody the first person and
[53:08] ask when something is going to happen.
I'm not directly targeting you or
[53:11] anybody on the city council here. I'm
just saying that this meeting is going
[53:17] to okay
and that's fine if it takes time but I
[53:22] think over time there should be some
sort of update that we can expect
[53:27] what's coming out of that. Um I've been
a budget before I couldn't simply just
[53:32] continue down the road. I mean listening
today like financial reports are being
[53:39] table like I mean what are we supposed
to expect? I want party and yeah I did
[53:44] come here and say that it seems like
things are show because to be honest he
[53:48] does every time I come
>> the mayor looks around everybody else
[53:53] like
where does what is the one responsible
[53:58] for anything I have asked my engineer
multiple times about your stuff and he
[54:04] is looking into it your situation is a
little complicated you you you bought a
[54:09] home in a place that didn't have
curbside cutouts. I have personally come
[54:15] after you spoke and another person in
your neighborhood came down and looked.
[54:19] Actually, it was before you spoke
because you were surprised to see your
[54:22] pictures up there because I cared so
much I asked our engineer to do it. I
[54:26] said, "Could you please look at this
home on the corner across from the
[54:29] detention pond?" So, I have asked for
updates. There is a process. Um
[54:37] but your situation is is very unique
>> and and he has looked into it. I have we
[54:44] we have updated if we if we constantly I
mean he has to do his job. I I did my
[54:51] job as a council member I thought and
came down and asked him to look at your
[54:54] particular property which you questioned
why was my house up there. I said well I
[54:59] asked him to look cuz I saw your damage.
So the council members do care
[55:07] and once again I'm not trying to blame
anybody. This is not where we get we
[55:13] this is what happens right. I'm just
saying I have come here since that
[55:18] happened and hoping that you guys are
working on a resolution. If you say you
[55:22] are I can totally trust you and assume
that you are and come back next month
[55:25] and hope you hear something different.
I'm not confident that that's the case
[55:29] because I've been here a few times and
nothing has changed. Um, when I come
[55:33] here, I started by arguing amongst
everybody here in this room. How do I
[55:38] have confidence I can trust that you
guys are running the city the way it
[55:41] should be? I mean, we didn't have
insurance on our police vehicles and
[55:45] they couldn't drive. person doesn't
follow the law in this city, but you
[55:49] can't even guarantee people would be
able to monitor the streets for us. So,
[55:52] I'm not again not here to explain, just
simply saying like I'm a homeowner in
[55:56] this city. I care about this city. I
would like it if something were to come
[56:01] out of this eventually and maybe like a
timeline like in a month we'll let you
[56:06] know who we spoke to or something and
not just
[56:11] » we've already
we've already been letting you know we
[56:15] have engineers
working. I mean, again, I I just I I
[56:19] don't You say, "I'm not coming in just
But that's exactly what you're doing.
[56:22] You You've come down to two meetings.
You've sworn. You've not been
[56:26] particularly polite." You know, we we
are essentially all six of us as
[56:31] governor. We are essentially volunteers.
We do not I mean, the amount that we get
[56:36] paid is is like a perium. We we are all
volunteers in this capacity. We all have
[56:42] full-time jobs and children and lives.
Our full-time job Not, oh my gosh, you
[56:47] know, citizens having a drainage
problem. I'm going have to put
[56:51] everything on hold. And we have to rely
on the experts. I mean, that's what we
[56:56] have to do. What is the alternative?
That's my question. What is the
[56:59] alternative?
>> I'm not blaming you. I'm not blaming any
[57:02] of you. This is the experts that are
supposed to give us solutions. I'm just
[57:07] asking what you expect. Is that a bad
thing for me to ask? I not come up here
[57:11] and have my own like time with you guys
to say like I'm concerned about my home
[57:16] and it wasn't just my home. There were
several of them and I'm sure they would
[57:20] all be happy to come up here and share
their stories but it's not me who's
[57:24] obviously upset.
>> No no I'm not I'm not I was going to say
[57:29] mayor we're kind of in a back and forth
and that's usually what we don't do at
[57:32] public but I was going to say something
just to maybe you have a very particular
[57:37] problem. It's a very complex problem.
It's a problem that that is very
[57:40] challenging uh to solve. What I might
recommend is it it doesn't lend itself
[57:46] to solving at a public comment period.
This is really a period where people
[57:49] kind of and and have a comment and one
council does what I might suggest is
[57:56] that um this happens but connecting with
somebody at the city that you can come
[58:02] and have a sit down with and a
discussion uh where you get some updates
[58:06] and things like that. May seem like
you're not getting There are there's
[58:09] quite a bit happening with with with
limited resources and things that you
[58:13] know gravity only goes one way and and
there's some big challenges there and I
[58:18] think it may leave the impression that
nothing is happening. So u if you want
[58:22] to after the meeting I'll come talk to
you maybe I'll do it with somebody. So I
[58:24] think it's this is more of a you
probably need to come into city hall and
[58:27] have a sit down with somebody at there
and kind of share your concerns get some
[58:31] feedback and then and kind of have that
interaction because it really doesn't
[58:34] lend itself well here.
I have concerns about the city not being
[58:39] managed well and it's not based on my
particular issue that I have but it's
[58:44] based on that I see the reports that are
coming up here and how I see that nobody
[58:49] seems to take ownership of the things
that are happening in our city that's
[58:53] comment
I'm just saying I have concerns about
[58:57] that and as a citizen of the city I
would hope that those concerns are
[59:01] addressed eventually but I don't have
comments
[59:06] One more time. Ma'am, can I get your
name?
[59:10] » L E T I S H.
[59:26] » And
I do want to make a statement as well.
[59:34] As we mentioned a few minutes ago, we
went down this week and sat down and
[59:39] discussed a whole host of issues. We are
working on a number of different
[59:43] drainage issues. We're working on a
number of different issues as a city
[59:48] from streets to uh growth to drainage to
expansion of water and sewer and
[59:56] development. And those are all things
that we do. They do require experts and
[1:00:02] we have experts engaged and we address
those items. I've got a three page list
[1:00:10] that I work off of every day and things
come on, things go off and things are
[1:00:15] taken care of. Those are my
responsibility. I take care of those
[1:00:21] responsibilities.
It doesn't always happen quickly and
[1:00:25] some things happen more quickly than
others, but that is where we are right
[1:00:30] now. And that is the process that's not
always.
[1:00:34] So the next item on the agenda, do we
have any further comments?
[1:00:43] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council, I
appreciate you. Just get a moment to
[1:00:46] introduce myself. I'm Mike Armstrong.
I'm running for family court judge. Uh
[1:00:51] I've been practicing law here for about
20 years in in Northwest Arkansas. last
[1:00:55] 15 doing family law and mentioned
dealing with issues in the city and I
[1:01:01] think that a lot of citizens probably
have issues with the courts here in
[1:01:06] Benton County and I'd love to be able to
visit with any of you today about that
[1:01:11] find out what kind of judge you're
looking for in Kate Springs and in
[1:01:14] Benton County. I've been doing this for
like I said about 20 years 15 years of
[1:01:18] domestic relations work. I've got all
that experience that I bring to the
[1:01:22] table. I think the most important aspect
of of family court job is families and
[1:01:28] dealing with that. And like I said, I'd
love to visit with anybody about that. I
[1:01:31] hope to earn your trust and your support
and vote on March. Again, it's Mike
[1:01:35] Armstrong. So, thank you.
Anyone else?
[1:01:42] Next item on the agenda is the old
business and that's an ordinance
[1:01:46] adopting the master street plan. Do I
hear a motion to sort of suspend the
[1:01:51] rules and place this on third and final
reading? Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a
[1:01:56] second?
>> Second.
[1:01:57] » Second by Erica.
>> Roll call.
[1:02:01] » Mike.
>> Yes.
[1:02:02] » MC.
>> Yes.
[1:02:04] » JJ.
>> Yes.
[1:02:05] » Mark.
>> Yes.
[1:02:06] » Erica.
>> Yes.
[1:02:13] » City case county Arkansas ordinance
adopting the master street plan.
[1:02:18] for city of K Springs, Arkansas.
>> Okay. Do I hear a motion to approve
[1:02:24] some? Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a
second?
[1:02:27] » Second.
>> Second by MC. Any discussion?
[1:02:32] » Yes.
David,
[1:02:36] I'm looking at
information you gave us
[1:02:44] the city council report.
>> Yes, sir.
[1:02:48] It says mixed use neighborhood
categories along 264 East Avenue were
[1:02:56] changed to mix corridor.
What is it?
[1:03:04] » It's basically just change based on the
downtown.
[1:03:13] Does that change in those areas?
>> Essentially, no.
[1:03:19] » Yeah. I mean, it's the
it's just changing.
[1:03:28] » So, what is it? Mix corridor.
That's where it's changing to correct.
[1:03:34] Okay. So, mixor
[1:03:44] There's a little bit.
So allows for wide spectrum uses
[1:03:50] encourages all housing types and single
families multi
[1:03:57] recognizes the existence of some street
commercial industrial uses within these
[1:04:00] areas. Mixed corridor encourages mixed
use development that better responds to
[1:04:06] multi needs. Uh place the majority of
the parking on the side of your
[1:04:10] developments. aesthetics
design
[1:04:16] industrial.
>> It has a lot of industrial in there, but
[1:04:19] it would still have to be zoned actually
for industrial and the only place we
[1:04:25] actually show industrial is
[1:04:33] still for something like that to be
allowed to that
[1:04:40] and And there again, you know, as we
transition into the zoning code, you
[1:04:46] know, like we have to encompass or
kind of create those categories, right?
[1:04:54] Light industrial like currently we don't
have a light industrial category. So if
[1:04:58] someone right now came to us and said, I
want to do this and called it light
[1:05:03] industrial, well, we don't have a light
industrial technical category. So we
[1:05:08] would have to once we work on that kind
of create that and then create what's
[1:05:12] allowed in industrial typically line
industrial would be where you would
[1:05:17] allow something like
[1:05:20] storage
light manufacturing things like that not
[1:05:26] like not heavy industry essentially you
know
[1:05:31] it's it's it's something that cities
have put in place kind of on those
[1:05:35] corridors to
[1:05:40] uses.
[1:05:44] » Yeah,
I I may have misheard the sentence he
[1:05:48] was reading from there. I just um on the
excuse corridor Derrick Barer. I just
[1:05:54] wanted to mention that within that pink
color, that light pink color, it
[1:05:59] actually says um I'm sorry
>> that that it does not encourage light.
[1:06:06] any storage facilities are not
compatible within NBC other light
[1:06:11] industrial items. And so those would be
of course you dial it in with your
[1:06:17] zoning map. Um but this resource is
suggesting that industrial items would
[1:06:24] go into that light industrial category
that's actually on the map which is not
[1:06:30] open.
[1:06:37] just
[1:06:43] my concern is
[1:06:48] nomenclature.
This is a future land map, but once if
[1:06:53] it's passed tonight, it immediately goes
into use. So, it's not a future land map
[1:07:00] land use map. It's a current or will be
current. This is It's going to be
[1:07:05] adopted, but it's to guide the future
development of the city. It's not some,
[1:07:09] you know, just because
>> I understand. I understand. It's a
[1:07:12] guide.
>> But I was here when you first hired on
[1:07:19] and we had the discussion about
temporary
[1:07:22] with the RV park and the explanation
that the city, the planning commission
[1:07:28] used was
that fit, that expansion fit because it
[1:07:34] met the criteria for park and it met the
criteria for recreation and therefore an
[1:07:41] RV park fit in there.
I still can't wrap my mind why a RV park
[1:07:49] meant a park and then recreation. Yeah,
there's a golf course there, but that
[1:07:56] has no bearing on the RV.
>> Wow.
[1:07:59] » And I'm concerned that our planning
commission still operates that way.
[1:08:06] That's my concern with all of this.
>> We are becoming or seem to be trying to
[1:08:11] become Rogers or Venville in the way
we're expanding. Now, everybody has
[1:08:18] right to sell, don't get me wrong, but
use, we're going to start button up
[1:08:25] against everybody else and eventually
we're going to run out of space.
[1:08:31] » Yes. Am I not correct?
[1:08:35] » Well, on the RV park side, if I'm not
mistaken,
[1:08:40] so high.
So, that is something.
[1:08:46] So, once we get into the zoning, which
you know, hopefully by the end of next
[1:08:50] year, we'll have doing the discussions
again will have in the zoning code more
[1:08:55] stringent rules on things like RV parks
storage things like that because if I'm
[1:09:00] not mistaken RV parks are allowed by
right in commercial zone and that piece
[1:09:06] of land along the highway somewhat was
res commercial and it's allowed by right
[1:09:12] and there's no
I mean there's there's nothing that we
[1:09:16] have to stop it essentially at that
point you know that that again that's
[1:09:20] dumbuture
I'm not I wasn't against the expansion
[1:09:25] of it. It's the way it was done that
bothered me saying it met criteria for
[1:09:30] park and met the criteria for
recreation. I mean again you get into
[1:09:38] place but
[1:09:42] I'm not a trusting person.
One one thing I might add in regards to
[1:09:47] I I do appreciate that comment about
running out of space and um and
[1:09:53] development happening all around NWA and
C Springs that um and so one thing that
[1:10:00] I do appreciate about the direction that
the cities go with this map and the
[1:10:04] planning commission coming from that
downtown plan like mentioned um the map
[1:10:10] is encouraging mixed uses and more
density
[1:10:16] within the downtown area and I don't
think that is um I mean that is very
[1:10:22] much in line with the the history of the
downtown of this community and so the
[1:10:28] more that we can encourage um with the
mixed uses and and density in the
[1:10:34] downtown area we can save more land you
know outside of that
[1:10:39] » the CPZ
do that also it doesn't have to be
[1:10:46] because of my late church.
>> Yes,
[1:10:49] » we're putting in many uh
>> Well, we also don't want we don't want
[1:10:54] to move forward having easy all the
time.
[1:10:58] » I agree with that.
>> So, that that that goes back to the
[1:11:01] zoning up trying to incorporate where
people don't have to
[1:11:07] apply for easy and we allow some of
those things by
[1:11:11] » but
I I fully understand we're coming from
[1:11:15] Southtown and there there's numerous
things that once we get to the zoning
[1:11:21] code, we're going to have to find
[1:11:27] anything else.
I just encourage you to get the zoning
[1:11:31] done as soon as you can because we I've
been asking for that for a year a year
[1:11:36] and a half and I really like to see that
because we get the subdivision in
[1:11:41] downtown master plan. Now we got it.
Let's start working on those zone input
[1:11:46] because when we do PCD it's okay but as
you said it and I agree with it PC is
[1:11:52] not going to resolve our issues.
It's a good thing for now, but we really
[1:11:57] need to get those code updated and
created
[1:12:05] and we're continuing to work on it now
that you know we've got some of this
[1:12:09] other stuff.
>> Will you get that done faster if we
[1:12:12] don't have to talk about this future?
>> I mean, we can focus on a little bit,
[1:12:18] you know, a little bit
[1:12:22] further discussion
[1:12:31] Yes.
>> JJ,
[1:12:33] » yes.
>> Mark,
[1:12:34] » yes.
[1:12:37] » Okay, that pass for one.
[1:12:45] Next
motion to approve the emergency.
[1:12:50] Got a motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
Second by MC
[1:12:57] and
>> J.
[1:13:00] » Yes.
>> Mark.
[1:13:01] » Yes.
>> Erica.
[1:13:02] » Yes. Mike.
>> MC.
[1:13:05] » Yes. And what was the number on this?
>> 2025-21.
[1:13:11] » 21.
Thank you.
[1:13:17] Next item is a resolution to authorize
the mayor to negotiate the contract
[1:13:25] for the website. Do I hear a motion to
approve?
[1:13:28] A motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
Second by MC. Any discussion?
[1:13:36] Please update that website. That's the
only.
[1:13:40] » All in favor say I.
>> I. I. All those like sign that was
[1:13:45] approved.
>> 2025-55.
[1:13:53] » Next item on the agenda is an ordinance
to amend in its entirety the uh
[1:14:02] franchise agreement with Black Hills
Energy. Do I hear a motion to approve?
[1:14:07] » So
>> do I hear a second?
[1:14:10] » Got a motion by
Second by JJ.
[1:14:14] Roll call. He's going to have to wait.
>> Yes. I'm sorry. Motion to
[1:14:22] suspend the rules. Place it on third
reading by
[1:14:26] a motion by JJ and second by.
Okay. Now roll.
[1:14:34] » Mark.
>> Yes.
[1:14:35] » Erica.
>> Yes. Mike.
[1:14:37] » Yes.
>> NC.
[1:14:38] » Yes.
>> JJ.
[1:14:39] » Yes.
[1:14:43] Ordinance 22.
Is that right?
[1:14:49] » Okay.
Or December 2025-22
[1:14:54] city county Arkansas
an ordinance to amend in its entirety or
[1:15:00] December 98 Black Hills Energy Inc.
successors the right privilege of
[1:15:05] trained to construct, maintain and
operate natural gas systems and lay gas
[1:15:10] mains along and over across and trans
valley roads highways and other public
[1:15:14] ways for the purpose of distributing or
selling gas providing for the regulation
[1:15:18] of the condaling
all in there providing for emergency.
[1:15:28] » All right. Do I hear a motion to
approve?
[1:15:31] Motion by JJ. Second by MC.
Call
[1:15:36] » Erica.
>> Yes. Mike.
[1:15:39] » Yes.
>> MC.
[1:15:40] » Yes.
>> JJ.
[1:15:41] » Yes.
>> Mark.
[1:15:42] » Yes.
>> Okay, that was approved. Do I hear a
[1:15:46] motion to approve the emergency clause?
Motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
[1:15:53] » Second.
>> Second by Erica.
[1:15:57] Roll call.
>> Mike,
[1:16:00] » yes.
>> MC,
[1:16:01] » yes.
>> JJ,
[1:16:02] » yes.
>> Mark,
[1:16:03] » yes.
>> Erica,
[1:16:04] » yes.
>> Okay, that was approved. Next item on
[1:16:09] the agenda is an ordinance for the
franchise feot
[1:16:16] to suspend the rules and place this on
third and final reading.
[1:16:21] Got a motion by JJ, second by MC.
Roll call.
[1:16:28] » MC.
>> Yes.
[1:16:29] » JJ,
>> yes.
[1:16:30] » Mark,
>> yes.
[1:16:31] » Erica,
>> yes. Mike,
[1:16:33] » yes.
[1:16:37] » For December 2025-23
County, Arkansas
[1:16:43] to Bright Speed and Northwest Arkansas
LLC FK and retail
[1:16:48] Arkansas LLC on behalf of myself and
operating affiliates Bright Speed
[1:16:52] operate and maintain a telecommunication
system.
[1:16:56] in the city of Chief Prince, Arkansas.
The city declaring emergency for
[1:17:00] purposes. Do I hear a motion to approve?
Got a motion by JJ second by MC
[1:17:08] roll.
>> JJ,
[1:17:10] » yes.
>> Mark,
[1:17:12] » yes.
>> Erica, yes. Mike,
[1:17:13] » yes.
>> MC,
[1:17:14] » yes.
>> That was approved. And do I hear a
[1:17:19] motion to approve the emergency clause?
>> Motion by JJ.
[1:17:26] Second by Mike.
[1:17:31] » Mark.
>> Yes.
[1:17:32] » Erica.
>> Yes. Mark.
[1:17:34] » MC.
>> Yes.
[1:17:35] » JJ.
>> Yes.
[1:17:40] » All right. That was approved. The next
item is item um
[1:17:48] the Carol Electric franchise agreement.
Do I hear a motion to suspend the rules
[1:17:54] and place this on third and final
reading? So motion by JJ. Do I hear a
[1:17:58] second?
>> Second.
[1:18:00] » Second by Erica. Roll call.
>> Erica.
[1:18:04] » Yes.
>> Mike.
[1:18:05] » Yes.
>> MC.
[1:18:07] » Yes.
>> JJ.
[1:18:07] » Yes. Mark.
>> Yes.
[1:18:14] December 2024-24.
City Arkansas
[1:18:20] number 100
electric successors right privilege and
[1:18:24] franchise the truck maintain and operate
electric distribution
[1:18:29] system and to electric lines and
equipment along across streets roads
[1:18:35] highways and other public ways for the
purpose of distributing and selling
[1:18:39] electric power regulation of conduct
satellite distribution system all
[1:18:44] ordinance in conflict there provides
[1:18:49] Do I hear a motion to approve?
>> Got a motion by JJ. Second
[1:18:55] by MC.
Roll call.
[1:18:58] » Erica,
>> yes. Mike,
[1:19:00] » yes.
>> MC,
[1:19:01] » yes.
>> JJ,
[1:19:02] » yes.
>> Mark,
[1:19:03] » yes.
>> Okay, that's approved. Do I hear a
[1:19:06] motion to approve the emergency clause?
>> So move.
[1:19:09] » A motion by Eric. Do I hear a second?
>> Second by Mark. All in favor? I mean,
[1:19:16] » Mike,
>> yes.
[1:19:17] » MC,
>> yes.
[1:19:18] » JJ,
>> yes.
[1:19:19] » Yes.
>> Erica,
[1:19:21] » yes.
>> All right, that was
[1:19:26] » Next item is the franchise agreement
with Southwestern Electric Power Tower.
[1:19:31] Do I hear a motion to suspend the rules
and place this one on third?
[1:19:36] » A motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
>> Second.
[1:19:40] » Second by Mark. Roll call.
>> Erica. Yes. Mike.
[1:19:44] » Yes.
>> JJ.
[1:19:46] » Mike.
>> Mike.
[1:19:48] » Yes.
>> MC.
[1:19:50] » Yes.
>> JJ.
[1:19:51] » Yes.
>> Mark.
[1:19:52] » Yes.
[1:20:03] [snorts] Microsoft
grant to Southwest
[1:20:11] maintain operate lines and appliances
for conduct electricity in and over
[1:20:17] approve streets also
[1:20:25] I hear a motion to approve. So got a
motion by JJ.
[1:20:31] » Second.
>> Second by Mark.
[1:20:35] » MC.
>> Yes.
[1:20:36] » JJ.
>> Yes.
[1:20:37] » Mark.
>> Yes.
[1:20:39] » Yes. Mike.
>> Yes.
[1:20:42] » That was approved. And do I hear a
motion to
[1:20:48] pass the emergency?
A motion by JJ.
[1:20:55] » Second by Mark. Roll call.
>> JJ.
[1:20:59] » Yes.
>> Mark.
[1:21:00] » Yes.
>> Erica. Yes. Mike.
[1:21:02] » MC.
>> Yes.
[1:21:04] » That is approved.
>> Next item on the agenda is an ordinance
[1:21:09] to reszone approximately 25.5 acres on
Fort Lane. Do I hear a motion to suspend
[1:21:15] the rules and place this on third and
final reading with title?
[1:21:20] A motion by JJ. Do I hear a second?
>> Second by MC. Roll call.
[1:21:26] » Mark,
>> yes.
[1:21:28] » Erica,
>> yes. Mike,
[1:21:29] » yes.
>> MC,
[1:21:30] » yes.
>> JJ,
[1:21:32] » yes.
[1:21:36] for December 2025-26
[1:21:43] Arkansas
255 acres of real property located at
[1:21:48] 579 Ford Lane
[1:21:56] to approve
motion by JJ do I hear
[1:22:01] » second by MC any discussion
>> yes
[1:22:05] Um, David,
you said ask questions at this point.
[1:22:09] Um, how this would be the most
residentially dense area in all of Cave
[1:22:14] Springs. Then if this goes up as R3, we
have Hillrest, we have Mount Brown, we
[1:22:19] have Rentwood, we have Ridgewood, and we
have the We
[1:22:24] would that be a correct assumption
considering it already was with Hillrest
[1:22:29] um when they started moving land.
>> I mean, yes. I'm doing other
[1:22:37] other
growth.
[1:22:41] » My concern with this property um is the
drainage. We saw what happened with Bill
[1:22:48] and um they I I think it is extremely
dense on that side of town and um
[1:22:57] I know they went down to to an R3 and I
know it came approved from planning
[1:23:01] commission but I honestly do not think
it's in the best interest of the city.
[1:23:07] I think
>> any further discussion
[1:23:13] any
[1:23:21] » Oh well Yeah, I was
speaking
[1:23:37] with Associates. I appreciate your time
tonight. U regarding drainage
[1:23:43] specifically we'll be required to meet
all the engineering requirements
[1:23:48] requirements set forth by the city of J
Springs in the state of Arkansas
[1:23:52] professional engineer in the state and
required to meet the requirements for
[1:23:58] you know public health safety and
welfare so we'll design appropriately
[1:24:03] requirements furthermore to the west of
us
[1:24:07] so we'll we'll be able to control the
our site and release and meet the flow
[1:24:13] rates that's required. Uh regarding
density specifically, the medium density
[1:24:19] designation was allowed under the
previous land use map is currently
[1:24:23] allowed in the new one there tonight. So
nothing changed there and the R3 that
[1:24:28] we're requesting falls under the medium
density requirement. We're capping our
[1:24:32] unit count around 90 lots. So less than
four units per acre on this side. lesson
[1:24:38] neighborhoods but matching the zoning in
the neighborhood and north of Milving
[1:24:51] is less than Hillrest.
>> That's correct.
[1:25:00] » Thank you.
Any
[1:25:05] other questions?
>> I guess I still have concerns was
[1:25:10] [clears throat] met the drainage
requirements and we saw
[1:25:17] » roll call.
>> Yes.
[1:25:20] » JJ,
>> yes.
[1:25:21] » Mark,
>> no.
[1:25:23] » Erica, no.
[1:25:34] Okay,
[1:25:41] so that was the last thing on our
agenda. Is there any further ad?
[1:25:52] I want to share with the council that um
communication came out and filled the
[1:25:59] six foot hole in my backyard
>> that exposed the communication line.
[1:26:08] » You guys help us to do something. It's
amazing.
[1:26:09] » That took a while. Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion to adjourn.
[1:26:13] » Okay. Second.
>> Thank you.
[1:26:17] » I have most motions tonight.