1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,960 We got a team together. It's a little after 5:15. Thanks you guys. Um, so 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,960 let's go ahead and get going. Let's begin with the pledge of Well, first of 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:15,759 all, welcome to 2026. I guess we were a little over a month ago when we last 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:21,199 met. So, uh, few items to discuss tonight. I hope everybody had great 5 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:24,560 holidays and a happy new year. We plow into it now, huh? See what it has in 6 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:26,240 store for us. >> Yes. 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:31,279 » Uh, let's start with the pledge of allegiance. Uh, would you mind leading 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,279 us? 9 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:39,840 Pledge algiance algiance to the flag of the United 10 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:46,559 States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:52,280 God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 12 00:00:48,879 --> 00:00:52,280 » Thank you, [clears throat] Jennifer. 13 00:00:52,879 --> 00:01:00,960 » Okay. Uh, we can start with the approval of the minutes dated September or 14 00:00:58,239 --> 00:01:05,920 December 2nd, 2025. >> I'll make a motion to approve the 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:10,320 minutes dated December 2nd, 2025. >> I will second that motion. 16 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:14,560 » Excellent. All in favor? >> I 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:18,960 » I motion carries. Uh, items two and three are public hearing items. However, 18 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:24,240 um, they're going to have to be postponed. Is that right, Faith? to uh a 19 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:29,200 little bit future. But is there anybody here from the public that came 20 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:34,159 specifically to address items two and three, 21 00:01:31,119 --> 00:01:37,560 which is a general plan amendment and zone change? 22 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:44,000 If not, we do we need to have a public hearing or if if nobody's here, 23 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:46,320 » do we need to open it? >> No, we just want to make sure 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:54,320 everybody's they have a chance to talk. >> All right. So, we won't open or close 25 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:58,000 it. Um, and we'll move on to item four, uh, public hearing. It's a zone change 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:03,560 from, uh, GC to R3M. Go civil. 27 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:11,760 » Good evening, Dallas Buckner. Go Civil. Um, this is, uh, we recently did another 28 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,160 zone change right across the street, and I think I had mentioned that in this 29 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:19,440 meeting. Um, but ironically when we sent out the notice, someone from across the 30 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,319 street said, "Hey, I want to do the same thing." So, um, here we are. This is an 31 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:34,959 existing parcel that's zoned general commercial. Um, and we're requesting a 32 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:41,200 zone change to R3. Um the really the the reason for this is just from a lending 33 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:48,440 standpoint on an existing house and trying to get a residential loan on 34 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:48,440 something that's zoned commercial. So 35 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,239 » any questions? >> Seems pretty straightforward. Yep. 36 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,440 » Yeah. >> City have any problems with it or 37 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,800 » No. >> No. No issues. 38 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,599 » It is a public hearing. So, let's go ahead and open the public hearing. Is 39 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,159 there anybody would like to speak to this? Which 40 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,840 » piece of property is again? Was it the one that was highlighted? 41 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:19,519 » If not, we'll turn the sign around and close the public hearing and entertain a 42 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:21,760 motion if anybody would like to. >> Oh, okay. 43 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:28,480 » Anybody? >> Okay. I'll make a motion 44 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:35,760 » um to for the zone change from general commercial to R3M at the property at 491 45 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:38,319 North 400 West. >> I'll second that. 46 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:43,200 » Oh, sorry, Jennifer. You didn't say whether it was a positive or negative. 47 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:46,840 » Oh, a positive recommendation. >> Sorry about that. 48 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,920 » Who seconded? Who seconded that? Steve did. All right. Thank you. Um, all in 49 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,959 favor? >> I. 50 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,959 » Any opposed? 51 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:07,920 » All right. Thank you. Um, public hearing is the next number five, development 52 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:10,920 deferral agreement. Jesse, >> welcome. 53 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:26,240 » Jesse Carter. I'm the owner of this land here. Um, so essentially what we 54 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:34,080 are looking to do is build small single family homes on this 55 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:39,120 portion with a twin home right here. Um, so with the from what I understand the 56 00:04:35,919 --> 00:04:47,440 new city ordinance, I can't remember how many feet within a development you have 57 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:54,160 to finish the dedicated road. Um, and so the in talking with Kent, 58 00:04:50,720 --> 00:05:04,160 um, the city would want us to either now or in the future finish this 59 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:10,639 portion of Center Street. Um, so what we are wanting to do, all of these homes 60 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:16,800 front 25 North. Um, so there's really not a huge need for finishing this, 61 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:21,520 finishing this road currently. Um, from what I understand, this road will 62 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:25,039 eventually go all the way to West View. So, 63 00:05:23,039 --> 00:05:30,639 eventually this will be a pretty heavily traveled road. And we're not saying that 64 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:36,720 we don't want to finish it eventually, but I don't know how many people have 65 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:43,600 driven it, but there's really no one hardly ever driving it. So right now um 66 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:48,880 in this phase just this little 1 acre portion here we're just wanting to defer 67 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:52,240 that to a later phase. >> Help me understand where that is kind of 68 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:57,280 in reference to other places. >> Is it out by Iron West? 69 00:05:54,160 --> 00:06:03,600 » So Iron Springs Elementary is here and then this is Mountain Shadows and Iron 70 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:08,919 West is right here. So these are those new Iron Hawk town homes here. 71 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:15,199 So, >> yeah. And this is the new where we're 72 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:20,319 putting in the new soccer fields right down in here. Just one point of 73 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:24,080 clarification if I could, Jesse. What I saw on 74 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:28,639 really we didn't give much of a submittal on this, but what we did get 75 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:34,400 just said to defer improvements west of 4200 West. our understanding of what you 76 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,919 were um let me get make sure you get the 77 00:06:35,919 --> 00:06:41,840 right map here. What you were wanting to defer because what we were saying is 78 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:47,840 this is all one parcel. You're developing a portion of that parcel. Um 79 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:52,240 you own both sides of the road. Um our interpretation of our ordinance is that 80 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:59,039 you need to fully improve Center Street for that entire length um from Mountain 81 00:06:55,280 --> 00:07:04,000 Shadows over to Iron Hawk. And we had understood that it was just this portion 82 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:09,840 west of 4200 West that you were um saying that you wanted to defer 83 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:15,120 um based on what you submitted and and kind of based on our conversations 84 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:18,160 earlier. So are you it sounded like you were saying something different in your 85 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:23,120 presentation though. >> Um no I think that's that's actually 86 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:27,440 what we're trying to do from what I understand. You're also needing us to 87 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,800 finish this water line right here. Correct. And so, 88 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:33,919 » yeah, >> from the conversations that 89 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:39,199 » I am aware of, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to not knowing that we need 90 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:46,240 to do that waterline, we may as well finish this portion of Center Street and 91 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:52,560 then um you don't happen to have in red or where exactly 92 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:59,759 how much of this we are trying to defer, right? So my my understanding of this 93 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:04,960 was that um basically over through the intersection you would be building the 94 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:09,120 the full width improvement and then you just taper down to the existing and this 95 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,919 portion here is what you wanted to defer until you develop the south side. That 96 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,479 was what I had >> understood 97 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:19,520 » which some of that is we don't know exactly where these well likely the road 98 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:23,599 would come in and meet with this intersection and probably this 99 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:26,400 intersection but we don't know exactly how this is all going to play out here 100 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:31,440 and so >> we don't want to build a road that we 101 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:35,839 are then going to have to >> tear up. 102 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:41,760 » Yeah, understood. Yeah, >> especially knowing that this is not 103 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:44,560 really a heavily traveled road quite yet till it 104 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:48,320 » Yeah, it's getting more and more so with the with the school and church over 105 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:51,839 there and lots of people now in Iron West. It's getting more and more all the 106 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,880 time. But but yeah, >> is the right side of this road developed 107 00:08:54,160 --> 00:09:01,440 there where the the existing homes are? Is that developed? Yeah. So the the 108 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:07,519 north side of the road is developed to here and of course down all all this 109 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,160 along here is fully developed. Um >> so it's the 110 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:16,320 » and it's fully developed on the south side here. So it's it they would be 111 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:20,800 already required to do you know of course their frontage and they'll 112 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:26,160 dedicate the the ride of way. Um, but our ordinance allow requires them to do 113 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:30,880 the other side as well since they own it and so it would really require the whole 114 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:34,800 thing. They're asking to defer that western portion 115 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,760 » right until >> so I'm not quite understanding they're 116 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:40,959 they have to do the whole thing but they're asking for a referral a 117 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,440 deferral. That doesn't make sense to me. >> So the requirement there would be 118 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:48,959 nothing to defer if it were not a requirement. Right. So, our 119 00:09:47,279 --> 00:09:54,320 interpretation of the ordinance is that their requirement is to build the of 120 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:58,720 course they'll be building the full roadway 121 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:03,680 um where it's not developed on either side, but then they they do have to 122 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,519 improve that southside as well. That's also their frontage, 123 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:11,839 » right? >> That's part of this parcel that they're 124 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:16,640 developing. and um the uh um but yeah, so they're they're they're not um 125 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:22,079 arguing whether they're responsible for that. They're saying that they think 126 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:25,760 this western portion would uh be better done at a later time when they develop 127 00:10:24,079 --> 00:10:28,720 that south side of the road. >> I see. 128 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:32,800 » So the north side they're going to when they subdivide for how many lots you're 129 00:10:30,959 --> 00:10:38,800 going to have, you're going to develop the north side of of Center Street. So 130 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:44,480 the north side is already finished. It's just this south portion. 131 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:46,000 » Well, little portion that one acre, two acre, whatever it is. 132 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,680 » Oh, right. >> Right there. You're going to finish one 133 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:54,880 side of that, >> right? Yep. We will. So, this is a It'll 134 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:59,360 be a PUD. And so, we're actually required to have a fence, I believe, 10 135 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:03,279 feet off of >> Yeah. 136 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:07,760 » um off of the sidewalk, >> which we did want to present. We're not 137 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:15,120 sure if if this is the correct meeting to do so or not, but we wanted to see if 138 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:22,399 we could instead of the full 10 feet um do like a six foot wall off of that 139 00:11:19,242 --> 00:11:27,440 [clears throat] um sidewalk so that these backyards could be a little bit 140 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:34,160 deeper. Um, it's going to be a pretty drastic 141 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:38,399 amount because these homes here, their back wall goes all the way to the 142 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:46,320 sidewalk. So, then it's going to jump up 10 ft. And so, we wanted to tailor that 143 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:51,519 down to six um for the drainage swell that we're going to be doing here in the 144 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:54,640 back. And then also some landscaping. What is the structure on the walls and 145 00:11:53,680 --> 00:12:02,160 stuff >> on the as I like your your left side 146 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:05,600 those homes right there? What is the >> is the wall against the center? 147 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,440 » These actually front center street. I'm not really sure. 148 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:12,079 » Okay. >> How that happened? Because you're not 149 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:17,360 supposed to front a major collector road like this. But these ones back up to it. 150 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:20,959 So they're double frontage with the front being here, 151 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,600 » but their back wall is tight with >> So yours are going to back up to it 152 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,279 also. >> They'll back up. So they'll come off of 153 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,920 25 north and then we'll just have our fence here. 154 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:32,240 » So if I could just point out some differences, right? Because we've had 155 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:35,920 this come to the board of adjustments before as well. 156 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:40,399 » Um PUDS have a slightly different requirement for where fencing has to go. 157 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,760 » So we push them 10 ft off. >> Um those other ones right there are not 158 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,800 PUDS. They're standard subdivision if I understand it correctly. So that's why 159 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:51,279 there's a difference. >> Um there are advantages to going with 160 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:55,680 the PUB usually density advantages >> and so in many cases it's a trade-off. 161 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:58,480 » You get some advantages by having PUB density and other things maybe you don't 162 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:03,040 have to put in that you would for normal ones. Um but this is one of the 163 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,839 downsides. So typically at least board of adjustments we've tried to keep those 164 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,000 together. If you're going to get the advantages of the PUD you're probably 165 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,200 going to have to deal with the detriments too. 166 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,800 » Um you don't get the best of both worlds is kind of how we've taken it. The other 167 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:20,240 real legal side of this that I struggle with is this isn't in the application. 168 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:24,079 Um, we were aware of it because Mike told me that, but it's in the 169 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:26,314 application. You guys saw it. It's one sentence. 170 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:29,440 » I don't think we can address it. To [clears throat] Randle's point, we would 171 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:32,560 have to notice it correctly and write a summary to to address the fence tonight. 172 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,079 » Okay. >> So, I'm wondering if that is something 173 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:40,000 maybe we can encourage from your end if you want both of these because this is I 174 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:43,519 would prefer both these issues be in the same agreement if you're going to do it 175 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:47,920 because annoying when we have to do two for the same property. Um, it might be 176 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:52,880 worth tableabling it and have you guys propose some better language and even 177 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:57,519 maybe sit down with Don or me to actually put it into an agreement. Um, 178 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,920 our temp fence goes or the >> well, 179 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:02,880 » all of it to make sure we're clear because you even talked about waterline 180 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:07,040 and you tried to point out different areas. It might be best to have that 181 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:11,360 flushed out a little better. Um, so that we're all on the same page cuz you came 182 00:14:09,199 --> 00:14:14,720 in on a different page than Mike was and Mike came in on a different page than 183 00:14:12,959 --> 00:14:18,240 what we all expected initially. So, I mean, it's 184 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:21,920 » I have a question for Kent. Center Street, will that be a major feeder 185 00:14:21,199 --> 00:14:24,720 road? >> Yes. 186 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:27,279 » Going east and west. How far west is that road going to eventually? Will it 187 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,839 go? >> It'll go It'll go all the way to 5700. 188 00:14:29,839 --> 00:14:35,839 As far as our property goes through, >> it'll go clear down to who knows where. 189 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,760 » Yeah, it's going to be major and it's going to be one of the main paths to get 190 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,839 up to the school. >> Key drive is going to go right into 191 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,240 Quap, >> right? Oh, that'll be [laughter] good. 192 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,320 » So, so >> I'll I'll build a car wash out there. 193 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,720 » So, here's where we're talking about right now is this area here. But yes, 194 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:56,959 Center Street would continue all the way to 5700 West that goes down to the 195 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:59,120 interchange at at uh all of a sudden I forgot the name. 196 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:04,320 » So, I have a question. When you get a deferral, what's the trigger? What's the 197 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:08,560 trigger for your obligation to actually fulfill 198 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:13,279 those things? Is it when the homes are built? Is it after they're built? Is it 199 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:18,720 when they're built? What's the trigger? >> I think that's what uh why it would 200 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:21,600 behoove us to bring back some details for you. I think it that's a perfect 201 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,240 question. >> Yeah. So, without the 202 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:29,440 » I'm sure Jesse has something in mind. without a a development agreement to 203 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:34,000 defer some of those improvements, it would be that they have to have they 204 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:38,959 have to at least be bonded for all of it before we would even record the plat. 205 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:42,880 Um, and then those improvements would all have to be completed before they 206 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:48,399 could get certificate of occupancy on any of those units. So they're wanting 207 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:52,480 to defer to where the part to the west of 4200 West would have a different 208 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:55,839 trigger that would come when they develop the south side of the property. 209 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:59,759 At least that's the way we understand it and that's what as Randall was talking 210 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,560 really needs to be spelled out in the agreement. 211 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,240 » Yeah. So I I mean I'm happy to sit down you 212 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:09,040 and Mike and whoever else from Plat and Plat who wants to come in to work 213 00:16:08,079 --> 00:16:12,959 through those because those are that that trigger question is an absolute 214 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:17,279 must because the documents are drafted that way to say what's the trigger to 215 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:21,120 kick ahead deferred a deferred improvement in. 216 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,399 » Um the fencing one he told me that you guys wanted to set it back a little but 217 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:27,440 not the full 10. I don't know what a little means. So that would be good to 218 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:30,639 have spelled out as well. >> Okay. Um because at this point I don't 219 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,639 know what they would be giving a thumbs up to. 220 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:35,759 » It picks [snorts] it up. >> Not everything you want that at least I 221 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,720 know. >> Yeah. 222 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:42,320 » I wasn't aware that we weren't talking about the fence today. So 223 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:45,839 » yeah, I was surprised too when we sat down for the meeting we had as staff. I 224 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,800 was like where is the fence? [laughter] >> Yep. 225 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,240 » It's not there. >> That's the entirety of what we've 226 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:54,320 submitted. So, and that's the unfortunate sometimes we when we do full 227 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:58,000 subdivisions, we make them submit tons of stuff. And this one we don't really 228 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,600 have flushed out exactly what's required for submitt. So, sometimes we get a 229 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:06,240 napkin and that's kind of what this was. It's a napkin. Not even a napkin 230 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:11,679 drawing, just a napkin. Um, so that would be my suggestion is you table it, 231 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:15,039 allow us to get a more full submitt so that you can come here with everything 232 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:17,360 you want, not have to come back three months from now because you didn't get 233 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,559 something you wanted. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't make any 234 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,439 guarantees they give a faucet or the council approves it, but it's going to 235 00:17:21,679 --> 00:17:26,160 be a waste of your time if you >> Right. And as far as the water line, 236 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,679 that was just something in the construction drawings that we're working 237 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,280 through. It wasn't any type of a deferral or 238 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:35,440 » Right. No. And that's >> really didn't even need to be mentioned 239 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:39,760 here other than the fact that that's why we're only asking for a deferral on half 240 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,840 of it because it >> just makes sense. 241 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,039 » No, it makes sense. But [clears throat] it just be helpful to have all that in 242 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,039 place. >> Okay. 243 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,960 I'm already deaf. >> Yes. If if the if the planning 244 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,679 commission wishes because this was published correctly, right? 245 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,520 » But not the fence. >> But not Oh, yeah. The fence is not. So, 246 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:04,960 the fence would require us to republish it. 247 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,320 » For how long? >> Um, 248 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,400 » 10 days. >> 10 days. 249 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,160 » Please state your name into the microphone. 250 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,440 » Sorry about that. [laughter] >> Okay. 251 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:17,039 » So, yeah, it it is possible. Can we do it that quickly for the next meeting? 252 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:21,840 » So, we would have to have We'd have to have the notices and this 253 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:26,720 discussion and the summaries ready by Friday to get it out the door. 254 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:30,400 » I think that gives us 10 days, right? >> So, I'm hearing just somebody from your 255 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:33,840 guys' office bring in Jesse, too, to make sure we're getting everything 256 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:37,200 you're expecting and sit down in time to be able to get that to them because, 257 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:41,200 yeah, state law now requires when we do public notices to give a summary of what 258 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:46,320 we're doing. And so, we can't just do only a oneliner vague sentence. We have 259 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:50,320 to have the details to summarize it. Um, but yeah, I'm here this the rest this 260 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:52,960 week. So, >> perfect. 261 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,480 » Thank you. >> All right. Well, 262 00:18:53,919 --> 00:19:01,440 » okay. I'll make a motion that we table this 263 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,760 until the January 20th meeting. >> There is a public hearing part of it, so 264 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,640 we may need to >> Yes. I was going to ask, do we need to 265 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:10,320 do that? Is anybody here to speak to this? We'll open the public hearing. 266 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,799 » Oh, just kidding. >> Close it. 267 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:15,600 » Now, we can go back on your mark. Hey, I'm just trying to move things along 268 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:21,328 with people. Doing well. >> So, I'm doing my very best here on the 269 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:25,520 limited brain cells that I have left. [laughter] 270 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:30,000 » Ah, and sleep. Limited sleep. Um, so I'll make a positive re or a 271 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:36,720 recommendation that we table this item until um our next commission meeting, 272 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:42,080 January 20th, 2026. >> I will second that. 273 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:46,160 » A motion and a second. All in favor? I >> I'll warn you, we if they don't get it 274 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:47,360 to us soon enough, we may push it for another meeting. 275 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,200 » Yeah, >> if as long as you're okay with that, 276 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,960 » that's on them. >> We are totally fine. 277 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:57,120 » Correct. >> Thank you, Jennifer and others. Um, 278 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,880 okay. Uh, item number six, transportation master plan amendment, 279 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:03,280 velocity builders. >> I don't think so. 280 00:20:03,248 --> 00:20:06,720 [clears throat] >> You're going to do that? I'm I'm going 281 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:14,559 to go ahead and speak to this and let me jump over to that on our uh master plan. 282 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:20,559 What we're looking at on this we have in our street master plan uh you know this 283 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:26,000 is where the terribles is now second east right loves out by the north 284 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:32,400 interchange. We have on our master plan this minor collector roadway running 285 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:40,880 between Canyon Ranch Drive and uh Wedgewood Lane here. Um as this issue 286 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:46,559 has been pursued with UD do get their approval to be able to connect the road 287 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:53,200 to Main Street to State Highway 130 right there. um they have uh considered 288 00:20:49,440 --> 00:21:00,000 it and and denied the request to have that new connection to to State Route 289 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:05,360 130. And so with that being being the case, it doesn't make any sense for us 290 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:09,840 to have that on our master plan. um the master planned road there. Having that 291 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:14,960 on our plan kind of creates an encumbrance there that really can't be 292 00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:22,159 fulfilled because they uh they can't build the intersection onto SR130. So 293 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:28,799 what Velocity had requested um and what's your item six on your agenda is 294 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:33,600 vacating this portion here. Um, and they only requested that because that's the 295 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:38,159 side of the road that they that they uh where they own property and would be the 296 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:42,960 ones affected. We looked at that and said while we're doing that, let's go 297 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:48,000 ahead and address both sides. Um, and so that's item seven is for this other 298 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:56,880 side, but it's really all the same thing for both of those um uh those two items. 299 00:21:52,640 --> 00:22:01,520 So, and uh um Tyler Meling with Velocity would have been here tonight. Uh he had 300 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,600 a conflict. He called talked to me. I told him, "Don't worry about it. I'll 301 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:09,600 I'll cover both sides of Main Street in in in my discussion." So, that's why 302 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:15,000 he's not here if you're wondering on that. [clears throat] 303 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Any questions for me? 304 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,280 » It's pretty straightforward. So, basically what you're saying is that 305 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:22,640 cannot happen. >> It can't happen. Yeah. So, let's get it 306 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,200 off the map. get rid of that encumbrance. 307 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:26,480 » I think that's do. >> Thank you. [clears throat] Any 308 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:29,840 questions? >> Is it just too close to that other 309 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:34,480 » um >> Yeah, but between this intersection and 310 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:40,640 that intersection, there's not enough space to to meet their access spacing 311 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:45,280 requirement. The other concern they had in in considering whether they could, 312 00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:48,720 you know, make an exception on the distance is especially being on the 313 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:54,080 inside of that curve, they're really worried about the sight distance there. 314 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:58,080 And so that was uh but we we had a lot of discussion with them. At one point it 315 00:22:55,919 --> 00:23:03,120 looked like we might get there and then uh as they kind of ran it up through 316 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:08,320 their leadership. Uh it was they came back and said we we can't do it. We're 317 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:14,000 not going to approve that. >> You have a stop light at Canyon Center 318 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:17,280 Drive and a stop light at the Canyon Ranch Drive. 319 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:21,760 » So there's there's a there is a traffic signal here. There's not one here yet. 320 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,600 There is at Nichols Canyon right down here. 321 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:27,919 » Um this is >> plans for a stoplight there. 322 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:34,159 » Um there's there is will potentially be a stoplight there. Yes. In our um 323 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:39,919 agreement with UD do where it's laid out what intersections would be candidates 324 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:44,559 for a stop uh for a s traffic signal if it's justified by the traffic volumes. 325 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:50,320 this is one that's on the list that it that they have already agreed could be 326 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:55,039 allowed um you know with the windco that's proposed here and and other 327 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:59,760 development in the area with there's a traffic study that's about to happen 328 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:04,240 that will look at that and I I I think we're pretty sure that that traffic 329 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:07,440 study is going to project enough traffic utilizing this for all of this 330 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:13,320 development that it will end up justifying it. So, we're anticipating 331 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,320 that there will be one there. 332 00:24:13,461 --> 00:24:15,481 [clears throat] 333 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:21,760 » Thank you, Ken. >> Yes. I'll open the public hearing for 334 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,320 six and seven. I think we can do those together given that. 335 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:28,640 » Yeah, these are together. >> Say your name. N name. 336 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:34,400 » Dan Roberts and thanks Dan. JMT owns the property on the east side of Main 337 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:42,000 Street. We asked DOT to let us have a right turn in and a right turn out. and 338 00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:47,919 we were just flat told no, okay, by DOT. So, we were trying to eliminate all the 339 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:54,320 congestion that is going to take place up there on the Terribles intersection, 340 00:24:50,559 --> 00:25:00,640 but uh DOT can they control all that, you know, back to that intersection. So, 341 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:03,279 anyway, so we're okay vacating it. Uh and that's item number seven. 342 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,640 » Thanks. >> Wow, easy. 343 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,640 » Thank you. 344 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:15,360 all the extra land. >> Any other comments? 345 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:18,400 » If not, we'll close the public hearing and 346 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,400 be willing to entertain a recommendation. 347 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,840 » You go. You go. I can. >> Okay. I'll make a positive 348 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:33,679 recommendation on 2500 North Main Street 349 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:40,799 that the transportation master plan be amended to eliminate the previously 350 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:43,360 proposed road. >> Thank you. 351 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:49,120 » I'll second >> motion in a second. All in favor? I 352 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:55,559 » Thank you. All right. Ordinance text amendment. 353 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,559 Amber Ray. 354 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:11,760 » All right. Amber Ray planning. Um so many moons ago there was the general 355 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:16,480 commercial zone and that was rescended. Um however, so it was rescended in our 356 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:22,000 ordinance. However, there are still areas of the city that are zoned general 357 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:27,120 commercial. Um, so if someone is in the general 358 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:32,720 commercial and they want to develop, they have to ask us where this general 359 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:40,799 commercial zone is and we have to go and dig out this dusty copy and give it to 360 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:44,720 them. So um, the general commercial zone is very similar to the central 361 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:48,480 commercial zone. So, in an effort to make the zoning specifications easily 362 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:53,919 accessible to the public, we are proposing a text amendment. Um, this is 363 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:58,640 what it currently says in the ordinance under the general commercial zone. And 364 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:08,200 we would, um, suggest removing what is red and 365 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:08,200 crossed out and adding in what is green. 366 00:27:11,623 --> 00:27:16,799 » [laughter] >> Will that make your life easier? 367 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:22,159 » This would actually make my life easier and I think it would actually be very 368 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:24,960 clear and easy for the public instead of this. 369 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:28,640 » What will you do with that free time? >> Well, [laughter] I don't know yet. 370 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,679 » We have plenty of work for it. Don't worry about that. 371 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:35,120 » We got more band-aids Netflix. I don't know. Just just so you know from the 372 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,840 legal side, the reason why I'm in favor of this um is we have no ability to 373 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:44,240 change the general commercials requirements right now because it's it's 374 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:49,120 basically deleted ordinance. So it is fixed and for over 10 years now we have 375 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:52,880 not been able to change what's allowed or not allowed in the general commercial 376 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:57,600 zone. But we've been changing something about every other zone during that time 377 00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:02,399 frame. This allows the council with your recommendation of course to make changes 378 00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:06,799 if we don't like something whether prohibitive or allowing in a general 379 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:11,520 commercial zone without having to dust off the old one and bring it back and 380 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:15,200 figure out what 12 changes we've made in between that we should make. This is 381 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:19,039 just a simpler way to handle the same situation. 382 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:23,760 » Right. >> Any [clears throat] other questions? 383 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,279 If not, it's a public hearing. So, we'll open the public hearing. 384 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,000 » Carter Wilkey, I just have a quick question. Um, so I guess in this 385 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:35,360 situation then with this now people there would be no need to change the 386 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:38,559 zone then because a lot of times people come in and reszone from general 387 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:41,440 commercial to central commercial. They could just leave it as general 388 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,960 commercial and under >> they could do that now, right? 389 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:48,720 » But there's only just a what we what you guys find like a dozen if even that 390 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,080 differences. >> There were like five uses. 391 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:56,080 » Gotcha. that were different between the two zones. Um, so most of the time they 392 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,760 weren't changing the zone. They just stuck with general commercial. It just 393 00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:02,320 took us a while to dust off the old version. 394 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:07,440 » Right. >> Thank you, Carter. 395 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:13,520 Any others like to speak to this? If not, we'll close the public hearing and 396 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:20,080 be willing to entertain a motion. >> I'll get my glasses this time. Okay. 397 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:27,279 I'll make a positive recommendation for the ordinance text amendment pertaining 398 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:30,720 to the repealed general commercial zone. >> Seconded. 399 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,960 » We have a recommendation positive recommendation and a second. All in 400 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:36,399 favor? >> I. 401 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:43,080 » Any opposed? No. [clears throat] Looks like that concludes our start in 402 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,080 the for 2026