1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:11,560 This is the Cedar Mountain Service District public hearing for June 5th, 2026, regarding Zion View Dust. Recordings. 2 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:43,920 We're just going to move right in, and welcome to everybody's here, having our publishers 3 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,580 and you to be here tonight. 4 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:54,120 And that passable is the expert on the destination for us as far as costs and everything. 5 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,460 So please, we'll take it from here. 6 00:00:55,460 --> 00:01:02,280 Okay, I'm going to try and take five or 10 minutes just to kind of frame up where we're 7 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,680 at and how all this came about and how this whole process works. 8 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,680 So scene around service district is a special service district. 9 00:01:12,140 --> 00:01:16,540 The organization is created by the county, but we don't answer to the county. 10 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:18,500 We're not technically a county entity. 11 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:20,600 They're just the creating entity. 12 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,420 So, there's board of directors that run things. 13 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,720 As time, when the district was created, it was fire only. 14 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,140 Over time, there's been services added. 15 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:38,360 A special service district can have four different municipal style services that it controls. 16 00:01:39,460 --> 00:01:40,540 I'll have to be separate fees. 17 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:41,800 I'll have to be separate funds. 18 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:48,020 So, we've added snow removal for most of the mountain and dust control five years ago 19 00:01:48,020 --> 00:01:55,840 for most of them as well. That's the basics of why this organization does what it does 20 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:02,120 and has that decision-making authority and things like that in June. About a year ago 21 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:10,000 now, the IMU POA came to us and said that one of the biggest things that they had in their 22 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,340 meeting that was people wondering if they were eligible for dust control and how to do it 23 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:19,980 what it would take and it's honestly been a couple of your conversation to them. So they 24 00:02:19,980 --> 00:02:27,740 came to us and said, what do we need to do? We, outside of what is state law, we gave them 25 00:02:28,340 --> 00:02:34,580 some parameters and things that we as a board would look for to make sure that a fair amount of 26 00:02:34,580 --> 00:02:39,520 effort and I say fair and some of you may or may not disagree with that based on the responses and 27 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,620 conversations we've had so I'm fully aware and understand that but for my 28 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:49,540 opinion we gave them a kind of a fair structure on how to go about things and 29 00:02:49,540 --> 00:02:54,520 what to do to give us some confidence that it's not just one person's 30 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,980 opinion and it was many people's opinion that wanted an added service they did 31 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:08,840 that provided all the documentation to us we have lots of conversations about this 32 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:15,060 over the course of last fall, we, in addition to what we're required, we had a terrible 33 00:03:15,060 --> 00:03:15,560 call. 34 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:22,460 Your guys is POA building to try and answer questions and alleviate any concerns and 35 00:03:22,460 --> 00:03:27,580 things of that nature and gather information, really the last year, that's what the board 36 00:03:27,580 --> 00:03:29,980 has been doing, it's just gathering information. 37 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:37,900 From there, about two weeks ago, is when the state law portion of this starts, where we 38 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:44,180 notice a public hearing for the intent of an added service to a public property that 39 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:45,040 you guys own. 40 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,680 From there, it has to be advertised for two weeks. We did all the necessary 41 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,440 advertising for that. We'll hold the public hearing tonight to gather any more additional 42 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:02,580 information. The meeting tonight is not necessarily intended to be a question and answer. Often 43 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:06,160 and times they end up being questioned and answers to some extent. 44 00:04:06,340 --> 00:04:08,120 I'm going to try and keep that at a minimum. 45 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:12,940 That's part of why I want to give this little spiel so that we can alleviate some questions 46 00:04:12,940 --> 00:04:13,900 and concerns now. 47 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,760 So we'll take comment, and then depending on time and things, we're not trying to be here 48 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,280 till midnight, which we never know if there's going to be five people that show up or a hundred 49 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,020 people that show up because I have public hearings where there's been nobody in the audience 50 00:04:28,020 --> 00:04:30,680 and we've had public hearings with 50 people in the audience. 51 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,640 So we will, you know, just approach that and what we feel like is a reasonable amount of time. 52 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,360 Give everybody the chance to speak their piece on the subject. 53 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:49,020 Then the board will take us into consideration and tomorrow is our monthly slash annual Saturday meeting 54 00:04:49,780 --> 00:04:53,760 for the board to handle all of our regular business. 55 00:04:53,760 --> 00:05:07,020 And it's on our agenda tomorrow to, for the board to discuss amongst themselves and potentially make a vote on whether or not we're going to have this service in New York as its area or not. 56 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:18,680 As far as the service goes, currently the fee is $125. We are in the process of discussing an increase to that fee, unfortunately. 57 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:28,480 We, this fee was $100, the previous year we raised a $225 due to increase in cost, just 58 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,100 like everything else in our lives. 59 00:05:31,340 --> 00:05:41,240 This year we were blindsided by a 24% increase in material cost, a total increase in cost 60 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,020 of 20 and a half percent. 61 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,960 So that forced us to reassessing this fee sooner than we wanted where this 62 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,340 district manages three different services, three fees. Our goal is to assess a fee 63 00:05:56,340 --> 00:06:02,340 once every three years, heading a major issue. Well this year with a 20% increase 64 00:06:02,340 --> 00:06:08,220 in price we've got a major issue. We have to reassess to to make sure that we can 65 00:06:08,220 --> 00:06:12,500 continue providing the service for everybody across the mountain. When we talk about 66 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:21,460 pricing services to a special service district, state law states that every person in the 67 00:06:21,460 --> 00:06:28,320 district has to pay the same amount for the same service within reason. It's a fairly 68 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:34,460 great situation, but we don't feel like Zion View would have any other special circumstances 69 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:40,200 to pay a different amount than anywhere else on the mountain. There could be some conversation 70 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,900 about the length of road to get out there and some things like that but we 71 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:47,520 approached the design view subdivision as just the same as every other 72 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,000 subdivision on the mountain and so you guys would pay the same fee as the rest 73 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:57,280 of the mountain. With that being said, I took the mileage road that you guys have, 74 00:06:57,460 --> 00:07:03,160 the number of parcels out there, put our current fee to it. At last year's 75 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,620 pricing, the finances of it all works out. There's basically what that means is 76 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:16,080 There's enough properties, paying enough fee in your guys' subdivision to cover the cost to provide the service in your subdivision. 77 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:30,760 One thing that we try to do is not have the rest of the amount as a whole subsidized, you know, somebody else could cost $200 a lot to provide a service out to you guys, but everybody else is paying 150. 78 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Then we have to sit and consider, do we raise the fee to everybody else to provide it to you? 79 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:41,140 That didn't happen in this situation. There's enough money to cover the cost of doing that. 80 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,180 So I thought a little bit about the fee 81 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:50,660 In the numbers that we're working and this is not necessarily part of tonight's discussion 82 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:55,080 This is there will be a completely separate public hearing for this 83 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,840 The board's gonna discuss it tomorrow. I'm very hard meeting separate from Zartin View 84 00:08:00,260 --> 00:08:05,340 But for the amount as a whole, we're expecting that D is going to be around $150. 85 00:08:06,340 --> 00:08:08,720 I've got lots of numbers and stuff worked out for that. 86 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:10,660 Again, that's not necessary. 87 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,240 It applies to a nice conversation, but not because you guys came before that public hearing. 88 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:19,780 So until we have that public hearing, we make that decision. 89 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,480 We don't know exactly what's going to happen overall. 90 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:30,480 But I think it would be, I'd be remiss if I'm not telling you what's coming down the clock. 91 00:08:30,500 --> 00:08:36,980 I can see what's going to happen in the future, so we might as well lay that on the table as far as what could happen. 92 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:42,900 Again, the board has to discuss it, have a public hearing, and actually decide to change that fee. 93 00:08:43,060 --> 00:08:47,740 But if we're going to continue to provide the service across the rest of the mountain as we are at this point, 94 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,880 we're not going to have a choice but to do that. 95 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:56,420 All of these fees are intended to be as direct of a pass through to you as possible. 96 00:08:56,980 --> 00:09:02,980 It's not some government slush funds sitting here just gathering and accumulating this huge reserve. 97 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,660 All of the fees have to be spent specifically on what they're paid for. 98 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:15,040 So every dollar for dust has to go back towards dust control. Every dollar for snow has to go back towards snow. 99 00:09:15,580 --> 00:09:17,860 Every dollar for fire in the US has to go back to that. 100 00:09:17,860 --> 00:09:24,900 that, those funds cannot be commingled, money cannot be shared, so if we had $100,000 101 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:29,320 surplus in the snow fund, fire can't go, oh sweet, we're going to go buy some new equipment 102 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:29,740 with it. 103 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,580 That's not, it doesn't work that way. 104 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:36,680 What we would do is then lower the next year's fee, spend that 100 grand, we want to keep 105 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:37,680 it as low as possible. 106 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:42,280 Now, solar reserve needs to be there to cover situations like we're in this year, when 107 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:47,640 we get a 20 percent price increase that can be projected prior to the fee going out 108 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,240 We need some kind of reserve, you know, to some extent it's not going to manage the business side of this, right? 109 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,580 So there is middle-world reserve, obviously firing the investment on much larger one than dust. 110 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:05,940 Dust we try to keep at approximately 10% of the total annual revenue is what we try and keep in reserve. 111 00:10:06,220 --> 00:10:09,440 So that works out to be around 30 to $40,000. 112 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,300 So that's where we're at as far as all that goes. 113 00:10:13,300 --> 00:10:21,560 As far as the service of providing the service, the Forest Service Road, which is the Forest 114 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:26,080 Service Road from Caligar to Caligar, it's a Forest Service Road owned by the Forest Service 115 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:31,780 with an MOU to the County Road Department for maintenance and control of that road, basically 116 00:10:31,780 --> 00:10:35,960 the county has an MOU to be able to make all decisions on that road. 117 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,540 County Road Department and the County Commissioners have given us their blessing to provide this 118 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:46,800 service on the road that they own. So we enter and then have things you know 119 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,760 in place, agreements in place with them. To do that, that's stone-mobile dust 120 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:56,340 all of the things. Once we get into your subdivision, all of the main roads 121 00:10:56,340 --> 00:11:00,260 through the middle of the subdivision are considered class D roads. The 122 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:05,380 qualification for maintenance at the county level for a class D road is if a 123 00:11:05,380 --> 00:11:09,780 side by side can get through it, that's the level of maintenance that a class D 124 00:11:09,780 --> 00:11:14,960 road is entitled to or that's their definition of maintenance on a 125 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,500 class D row. As long as the side by side can get through it, they're not going to touch it. 126 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:24,120 Obviously your roads are much much better than that. They, although they don't have 127 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,920 funding and budgeting for that, our road department, they're really good guys that 128 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,460 go over and above to do their very best to give everybody the best they can 129 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:38,180 within their budgetary constraints, which their budget is probably one of the 130 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:42,260 the hottest topics at the county level that's constrained and whatnot. 131 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:48,580 The last few routes, which are the rest of the roads on the mountain more or 132 00:11:48,580 --> 00:11:54,560 less, those get one to two treatments a year as far as greeting goes. 133 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,540 And then we obviously manage the added services of storm ruling dust over the top of those 134 00:12:00,540 --> 00:12:00,800 roads. 135 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,680 As far as like, you know, out and you're going to subdivision, drainage is obviously a 136 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:14,080 major issue in topic of concern. The road department doesn't have this time, whether they 137 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:21,440 can get grants and things, but we don't have the ability to go in and necessarily upgrade 138 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,180 your roads or anything of that nature. We just apply to what we get, right? Now, with 139 00:12:26,180 --> 00:12:32,760 that being said, part of the dust fee across the rest of the mountain, we've built in a 140 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:33,460 a little bit of a cushion. 141 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,020 So our new department and us work very well together. 142 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,400 They do us some favors by providing a water truck 143 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,400 and the road department greater helps us manage 144 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,200 the application of product and things of that nature. 145 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:51,300 In turn, in order to provide a better dust control product, 146 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,140 we then give back some road base culvert here 147 00:12:55,140 --> 00:12:56,400 and there are things of that nature. 148 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,640 It's kind of our, it's a handshake agreement 149 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:05,520 between our board and the road department but me and Burke Harris is ahead of the 150 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:11,040 road department. He's been given the ability from the commissioners for him to 151 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,920 do what he feels like is fair and right and manages the vision that's what he 152 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,980 does. So if him and I have that agreement him and us have that agreement that 153 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:24,960 they do a little for us we do a little help there. So if you guys are brought into 154 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,760 you the dust control after tomorrow and whatnot, 155 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,400 you would be open to some of those improvements 156 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,480 when we can and whatnot. 157 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,380 It's not a ton of money. 158 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:37,200 We usually are talking 15 to $30,000 a year. 159 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:38,740 When you start buying road base, 160 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:39,480 you didn't buy it. 161 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,660 You didn't spend a quarter of a million dollars 162 00:13:40,660 --> 00:13:41,140 on road base. 163 00:13:41,260 --> 00:13:42,040 It doesn't go that far. 164 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:43,680 But it's something. 165 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:44,580 It's something's better than nothing. 166 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:45,680 So that's the agreement there. 167 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,300 By you guys doing dust control, 168 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,380 that does not change the classification of your road, 169 00:13:50,540 --> 00:13:52,020 does not change how often it gets created. 170 00:13:52,580 --> 00:13:54,340 That is not managed by this district. 171 00:13:54,340 --> 00:14:04,060 I cannot control that in any way, other than to tell you that we have a very good relationship and those guys do everything they possibly can within their abilities and budget to help us. 172 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:15,140 But there is no guarantee, nothing written, stone, that your road maintenance on the grading level from the counting size is going to change at all by doing the dust control product. 173 00:14:15,140 --> 00:14:20,840 Okay. All of your roads in your subdivision will be treated. Every property, every parcel 174 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:27,100 in the subdivision would incur the fee. There's no one person doing it, the next person 175 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:32,380 not. There's no one road doing it, the next road not. It's an all or nothing situation. 176 00:14:36,750 --> 00:14:41,390 I think that really hits the basics of it all. Like I said, I'm sure there's going to be 177 00:14:41,390 --> 00:14:46,130 a question or a tea throughout that. Hopefully I've covered most of it. As far as tonight 178 00:14:46,130 --> 00:14:53,390 It goes really like I said at the beginning tonight is really for you guys to give your opinion for us to absorb that so that we can make the best decision possible. 179 00:14:54,830 --> 00:14:59,970 We are here to represent you one of our board members who is unfortunately not here but at Carter is a... 180 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,800 Property owner, near subdivision, so you have direct records, direct representation on this board. The idea when this board is formed is to have people from all across the mountain that all different subdivisions and levels of income and all those things so that we can all make the best decision for everybody as possible. Obviously, as everybody knows, no matter what decision to make, not everybody's going to be happy, that's the long sort of that. But we do try to take into consideration to giving the best result 181 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,800 for the most people, right? So that's kind of the approach that we've always taken with everything. 182 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,020 As far as tonight goes, like I said, it's for you guys to give your opinion. 183 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:41,840 We're going to start with just limiting everything to two minutes of comment. 184 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,380 If you have a question, let me know. I'll jot it down, if it's a simple yes or no. 185 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,980 I mean, just throw out the answer right then. But to try and alleviate 10, 186 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,900 we've been in situations where you get in 10, 15, 20 minute conversations. 187 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:56,540 We're going to try to avoid that to start with. 188 00:15:57,380 --> 00:16:02,560 I have hopefully made myself available and told everybody, I continue to tell everybody, 189 00:16:02,780 --> 00:16:07,680 I always make myself available as best I possibly can, I'm on the mountain pretty much 190 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:08,120 always. 191 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,820 My business is here, I live here, you're around, I'm full-time here, I'm very, very involved 192 00:16:13,820 --> 00:16:19,680 in this district along with a lot of other things, so quite knowledgeable on most things going 193 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:24,360 on or down here, so if for some reason you have more discussion don't hesitate to email 194 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,400 me, contact me, I'm happy to have it. 195 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,960 conversation about anything that this district does and honestly the mountain is a hole. 196 00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:38,280 So we'll just go ahead and open it up for public comment and then we'll just very succinctly 197 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,360 state what the treatment areas will be if I am not a view. 198 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:42,920 Yeah. 199 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:44,480 You can't cost over it. 200 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:44,920 No problem. 201 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:51,040 So from where we stop providing the current service, which is about the broad hollow trellet, 202 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:56,760 But technically, at that Caligar, technically, but we do go past that because the dust pulls 203 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,360 up into the strawberry valley, so we do treat past that. 204 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:10,080 So from that Caligar to your guys' main entrance, Caligar, from there up the main road to 205 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,060 the end of private property, we are not going all the way to the point, we'll be stopping just 206 00:17:15,060 --> 00:17:21,300 just add or just pass private property there, and then every county owned road in the subdivision. 207 00:17:21,460 --> 00:17:22,060 Even the deeds. 208 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:28,820 All the deeds, every road in your subdivision, so there's 700 and change properties in your subdivision. 209 00:17:29,020 --> 00:17:32,600 Every single property has a road that gets to it, every single property will be treated. 210 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,600 Is that the same level of treatment that you're currently doing down this stronger point road? 211 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:38,260 Yes, sir. 212 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,760 So, from the downstairs to forward, that is excellent, that tree. 213 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,760 to be exactly the same. 214 00:17:43,980 --> 00:17:44,820 It would be exactly the same. 215 00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:46,260 Strawberry Valley was sprayed on. 216 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,740 So the main road that Strawberry was sprayed about three 217 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:51,280 weeks ago, Strawberry Valley itself, 218 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,000 all the other, you know, offshoot roads, 219 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:56,280 they were all sprayed on the third side. 220 00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:58,380 So, you want to see what it looks like here. 221 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,440 That's a great example of what it looks like. 222 00:18:00,540 --> 00:18:02,720 Most of it's dry by now and all of that. 223 00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:05,660 Did you explain how the three-monthly year 224 00:18:05,660 --> 00:18:06,660 is spreading in minutes? 225 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Yeah. 226 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:08,040 Do you think it's going to be effective? 227 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:08,960 Yeah. 228 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,220 So it gets sprayed one time a year. 229 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:19,340 The roads are water, prior to, it takes water, so magnesium fluoride is what it does is 230 00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:24,600 it pulls moisture out of the air and it forces moisture into the dirt, so the dirt doesn't 231 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:25,380 dry out as easy. 232 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,500 I drove through strawberry two days and going out mag on my truck, if you go out and touch 233 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:35,140 my truck, the dirt still wet because that's how magnesium fluoride works. 234 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:42,540 There's lots of dust control products in this world. We've tested in 2021. We tested three different ones 235 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:47,540 We talked of all kinds of reps and we've done our due diligence as far as all I know 236 00:18:47,540 --> 00:18:49,300 So I'd be happy to go into that with somebody later 237 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:55,260 I don't feel like we need to right now, but we've done our due diligence. We tested products in different places throughout the mountain 238 00:18:55,260 --> 00:18:58,380 See how well they lasted and all that kind of stuff 239 00:18:59,220 --> 00:19:02,520 So we the roads get graded when they need it 240 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,980 So, in your guys' situation, greater weight and burden go out and touch up when things 241 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:11,540 be touched up and do what the counting row dictates as far as that goes. 242 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:17,580 Then we'd have a date set if the rows get watered the day before, night before, so everything's 243 00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:18,360 nice and wet and moist. 244 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,740 And then the guys come out and apply all the product and the entire stuff of the vision in 245 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:22,100 one day. 246 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:23,800 It's done and over with one day. 247 00:19:23,900 --> 00:19:26,560 It takes about 24 or 48 hours to dry hard. 248 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,580 And then from there, it just pulled the product cold moisture out of the air and into the dirt. 249 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:38,160 When it gets regraded there is some residual year over year, but when it gets regraded it will get dusty again 250 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,420 But then we reapply in the spring before they grade it usually is still there 251 00:19:43,420 --> 00:19:51,280 You know, it's it does start to to wash out and wear out and penetrate the soil deeper and all those things over time 252 00:19:51,860 --> 00:19:55,120 But we've found that once a year has taken care of the mountain as a whole 253 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:01,520 Pretty well. We're in the middle of our fifth season doing it for the whole mountain. I've had one issue in five years 254 00:20:01,580 --> 00:20:08,080 that we've had to address as far as application of MacFar and negative effects that has been 255 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,620 brought to me. I'm based on hearsay, I know that there's a couple others here and there, but one 256 00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:18,740 that's been brought to us, one major, and it wasn't major, it was just kind of their law is in the 257 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:23,900 lowest point in the valley, and so they get all the drainage and things out in turn, so we had to work 258 00:20:23,900 --> 00:20:27,600 through them with that. But that's really how that works, is that your question? 259 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:41,640 Yeah, so we have to have all of our fee rates and property lists into the county once I get my 260 00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:48,530 August first what we're going to charge and who we're going to charge for what service loss we 261 00:20:48,530 --> 00:20:53,890 turn into the county charge our things here in Charlie's really nicely as we turn into her on August 262 00:20:53,890 --> 00:21:00,550 first from there that was on here November October November tax bill and then we would start providing 263 00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:09,750 the service in 2027. Right now we're on a four week, four week plus a touch-up rotation. 264 00:21:10,790 --> 00:21:15,890 So we basically number the areas that we spray. The main road's always get done first, 265 00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:18,850 so like the main road in the swing, the main road in the strawberry, the main road around 266 00:21:18,850 --> 00:21:23,150 the village. Dr. Kirjaro, the main road in the color country. All that stuff gets done first 267 00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:28,690 and then we come back subdivision by subdivision and we try to rotate the subdivisions every 268 00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:36,350 year based on snow melt and grading schedules and all of that. So if swans was the first year, 269 00:21:36,790 --> 00:21:40,410 then they're last, you know, at some point. So everybody takes their term in first. 270 00:21:40,790 --> 00:21:44,850 Everybody takes their term in last. You guys will just get inserted into that same rotation. 271 00:21:45,550 --> 00:21:53,390 We go as fast as the county road can keep up with grading. Our last application this year is next 272 00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:57,990 Next two weeks from now, three weeks from now, three weeks from now. 273 00:21:58,330 --> 00:22:03,850 So usually by the first of July we're done, our touch up aid is in July. 274 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:06,270 So the whole amount is done by the first of July, generally. 275 00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:07,170 So. 276 00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:14,730 I just need to clarify for some other people that have concerns about when we get to comment 277 00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:15,090 very well. 278 00:22:15,530 --> 00:22:16,590 Just general question? 279 00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:17,290 Yeah. 280 00:22:17,610 --> 00:22:17,790 Okay. 281 00:22:17,790 --> 00:22:23,330 concern. You mentioned the lower person where it came in in the trees. They're 282 00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:28,750 also talking about the water pool and how dangerous is this to the animals. To 283 00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:34,130 animals I don't know so I have the question to that. I've seen yeah I've seen so 284 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:40,330 to put it to you this way we spray in and around duck Creek duck Creek it's 285 00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:46,270 stuff okay duck Creek's water is tested up here down at Man with Creek down at AC 286 00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:50,790 when it hits 89 all the way down. The reason I know that is because the 287 00:22:52,450 --> 00:22:57,410 county Department of Environmental Quality does that testing. They came back to us 288 00:22:57,410 --> 00:23:02,370 about F.R.S.S. in the water from septic systems in the metal. That's how we end up 289 00:23:02,370 --> 00:23:06,690 with a septic or with a sewer system through the metal is from that. So I know 290 00:23:06,690 --> 00:23:10,330 that they're testing the water. Nobody's ever come to us and said, hey, you have a 291 00:23:10,330 --> 00:23:14,450 problem with contaminating the water. That's as best as I can answer to that. 292 00:23:21,090 --> 00:23:40,890 I don't have the data to support that, I don't believe it does, it's never been so, before this district I managed, I was the president of the doctorate point H.O.A. I've managed magnesium carbon being sprayed on this mountain for like 17 years now, so in all that time I've never had anybody, I've never had an issue with animals, okay. 293 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:46,030 Okay, trees like trees is a hot topic, that's a whole other discussion. 294 00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:47,990 Okay, that's why I just talked about that one. 295 00:23:48,570 --> 00:23:53,190 Any other like general questions about how things work and then we can just get into your 296 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:54,370 guys' comments from there. 297 00:23:55,610 --> 00:24:01,190 Okay, when you guys give a comment like I said two minutes, I will grab a timer now. 298 00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:07,750 Stay your name, your property address if you'd like for the record, Liz will put all that 299 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:08,810 into the meeting minutes. 300 00:24:09,670 --> 00:24:13,290 Once everybody gets their comments, I can talk about once it's been emailed into the things 301 00:24:13,290 --> 00:24:15,610 of that nature if we want. 302 00:24:16,110 --> 00:24:20,810 The board has been given all the electronic communications that have come in. 303 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:23,030 The board has been given all that. 304 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:24,990 We have a file with everything in it. 305 00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:25,730 We've all read it. 306 00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:26,930 We've all reviewed it. 307 00:24:27,910 --> 00:24:28,710 Taken all this in. 308 00:24:29,370 --> 00:24:35,590 We all five of us that are here carry a fair amount of weight and we really do give our 309 00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:37,710 very best to make sure we're giving everybody. 310 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:40,890 the best decision, you know, for everybody as we possibly can. 311 00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:42,930 So, I 312 00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:47,380 mean, in the back, just make sure you talk about the other way around. 313 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:48,220 I think now it'll pick it up. 314 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:48,580 We're here. 315 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:50,900 Okay. 316 00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:52,660 Go ahead with public comment. 317 00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:59,070 Yes, ma'am? 318 00:24:59,210 --> 00:25:05,130 Go ahead and speak loud and clear and tell us your name and address and anything you want 319 00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:05,550 to say. 320 00:25:15,910 --> 00:25:21,750 We are here today to express our strong opposition to post use of many of these imploride for 321 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,590 desk control on our roads primarily due to its environmental risk. 322 00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:28,730 We submitted a public records request for copies of letters, emails, or written complaints 323 00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:33,180 sent to the board that relate to Zion View as state desk control proposal, whether it's 324 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:35,140 the board of or in opposition to the proposal. 325 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:38,100 After carefully reviewing the official response 326 00:25:38,100 --> 00:25:39,500 from the senior mountain service district, 327 00:25:39,820 --> 00:25:41,580 it is clear that the majority of property owners 328 00:25:41,580 --> 00:25:43,300 who rode in are against this proposal. 329 00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:46,800 Our POA is a voluntary and has no legal authority 330 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,400 over individual property owners. 331 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,240 Other on the roads or the roads serving our community. 332 00:25:54,420 --> 00:25:57,680 Therefore, its recent Facebook poll is unofficial, 333 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,440 unverifiable and should not be used 334 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,260 as a measure of genuine community support. 335 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,820 Importantly, most properties in our community are vacant plants. 336 00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:08,380 Many owners do not have cats here. 337 00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:12,700 Many use the roads only vocationally. 338 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:18,440 It's not fair to require these owners to help fund a dust control program on roads they rid their child. 339 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,620 Beyond that, magnesium fluoride raises serious environmental concerns, 340 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:24,180 it can lead to the soil and groundwater, 341 00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:28,600 harming vegetation, and damaging trees and plants, along the roads. 342 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:35,020 brought on from the chemicalostoxic to wildlife and aquatic wildlife, polluting strings, ponds, and wetlands in our area. 343 00:26:36,020 --> 00:26:44,620 Once applied, it is very difficult to contain or reverse. For these reasons, I respectfully ask that you do not look forward to this inclusion proposal 344 00:26:44,620 --> 00:26:49,580 for Ziong, who's on the state's 2027 DOS mitigation services. Thank you for your time. 345 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,640 Thank you very much. 346 00:26:55,500 --> 00:27:00,640 Any other public comment for against anything in between? 347 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,420 I'm April Cereguisa. 348 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:15,640 I live in Zion's view almost full-time from March or April until about November as well as I come in on snowmobile and through Argo. 349 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:21,100 So I would really, really like to have Mag Chloride. 350 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:28,900 We are a centerpiece for people going to Strawberry Point Road and the recklessness of most 351 00:27:28,900 --> 00:27:33,920 of the riders that are coming up through their kicking up dust and doing donuts, it would 352 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,100 really be a tremendous asset to have Mag Chloride on the roads. 353 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:48,000 tell us. Our own breathing, our own keeping our house clean, hanged, all that stuff. So I'm for it. 354 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960 Perfect, thank you. 355 00:27:54,830 --> 00:27:55,490 Yes sir, please. 356 00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:59,670 David came here with the same W. 357 00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:07,450 So on the road up to Strawberry Point, most of the people who cost the most of the gas for the need to be 358 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:12,710 When you get up to Strawberry Ridge and Strawberry Point, there's a sign that 359 00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:18,090 dregs people if they want to, to go over to Highway 14 via Strawberry Ridge. 360 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:22,510 I would love to see a sign that recommends something like 361 00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:26,190 a scenic drive for ATVs and points on that direction. 362 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:33,270 Because I go, and then there's another road that comes down in front of Strawberry Point. 363 00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:39,850 But if we could get more ATTs to go on strawberry rigs rather than through some 364 00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:43,310 division on strawberry point, that would be phenomenal. 365 00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:50,690 We could get a sign up there in strawberry states to have them go eight miles to 366 00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:51,230 strawberry. 367 00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:52,430 We need more. 368 00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:54,090 Yeah, we need more. 369 00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:55,230 We need more. 370 00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:57,070 The big is not more scenic. 371 00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:58,110 Yeah, on the other hand. 372 00:28:58,350 --> 00:28:59,870 I think it's actually much more scenic. 373 00:28:59,870 --> 00:29:04,050 When they break, when they rent the ATVs for duct tape, 374 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:07,890 the first thing they do is they go to strawberry point. 375 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:11,710 And all I'm saying is, if there could be some encouragement 376 00:29:11,710 --> 00:29:15,010 right there and another one, for them to take the strawberry 377 00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:18,770 rich route, that would help a tremendous amount 378 00:29:18,770 --> 00:29:21,410 with mitigating the amount of dust that we have. 379 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:24,430 And the maps was still showing it go up south mountain. 380 00:29:25,050 --> 00:29:27,730 I finally was able to get ahold of Google and Apple 381 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:29,490 and close up. 382 00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:32,410 People generally respond to something like a scenic route. 383 00:29:33,290 --> 00:29:34,910 And then like that direction up. 384 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,410 That's my right way. 385 00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:37,410 Perfect. 386 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:40,490 I have a cool comment on that when we get back for sure. 387 00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:42,410 Anybody else? 388 00:29:43,290 --> 00:29:43,550 Phone? 389 00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:45,190 OK. 390 00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:45,890 Hi. 391 00:29:46,030 --> 00:29:46,750 I will say something about that. 392 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:47,570 OK, everybody else. 393 00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:48,010 Yeah, all right. 394 00:29:48,490 --> 00:29:50,950 The guy with Sean Gussison and I on the board. 395 00:29:51,290 --> 00:29:53,190 I started on the board two years ago. 396 00:29:53,530 --> 00:29:56,350 And the first question I had when I started on the board is, 397 00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:59,870 what is your concern to the community and everybody. 398 00:30:02,020 --> 00:30:29,240 So I, and one of the other board members, Greg Bailey, took it upon ourselves with the help from other board members and said, let's figure out what we need to do to get this thing done. We talked to Zach. Zach gave us the parameters of what we needed to do. We met every one of those parameters and by a majority vote of the people that participated, which was a majority of them, homeowners in the subdivision. 399 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,520 Everyone said that they wanted dust control, not everyone, but the majority. 400 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,080 And that's why we came to Zach and said, this is what we're speaking, we're not speaking 401 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:45,160 for ourselves, we're speaking for our community, and the community on the pole made their opinion 402 00:30:45,540 --> 00:30:46,860 and said that that's what they wanted. 403 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:53,420 Now there are some people, I appreciate your guys' concerns, and that are not poor, and 404 00:30:53,420 --> 00:30:58,280 there's people that are poor for it, but the majority of the people in the community are 405 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,920 Good. Thank you, sir. 406 00:31:04,340 --> 00:31:06,680 Any other public comment? Yes, ma'am. 407 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,140 I have been on the mountain for 20 years on the board for 15. 408 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,000 Will you give us your name? 409 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,140 My name is Karen Coleman. I live in Zionview, Mountain of States on Cascade Drive. 410 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:18,700 Thank you. 411 00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:29,200 I've been on the mountain for 20 years in Zionview and on the POA for 15 years. 412 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:39,560 every year that I have been on the board. People have contacted us about the 413 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:49,620 roads and dust control every year for dust control. So I would say that there 414 00:31:49,620 --> 00:32:00,860 There are a, if not a majority, there are a great deal of people inside of you that 415 00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:05,800 would be for Matt Porreit on the girls there, 416 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,760 just not only just for the dust control, 417 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:20,160 but also for the fact that we might get roadtouch up and grading on a more consistent basis 418 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,920 than having to beg the county every year to have him do it for us. 419 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,920 Perfect. Thank you. 420 00:32:30,740 --> 00:32:31,940 Any other comments? 421 00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:40,570 Okay, I just have one for what you brought up with the signage and stuff. 422 00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:44,190 So one other additional thing that our board is doing 423 00:32:45,270 --> 00:32:47,990 and has done in the past will continue to do is 424 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:52,270 we recognize that a lot of the roads that were put in this product 425 00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:58,550 not just out to you guys. I mean, we do, we spray the East End of the village, the trail from around the East End of the village here 426 00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:06,050 because of the dust on a windy day, a heavy traffic day, the dust flows across the highway. It's a safety concern, 427 00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:15,190 so we took that on to do that as well. So, one thing that we've done is submitted to the county commissioners and patty here is one of our county commissioners. 428 00:33:16,410 --> 00:33:22,250 We submitted requests for funding to help offset a little bit of this cost on those sections 429 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:24,750 of roadway or trail that aren't part of it. 430 00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:31,590 So getting up to Zion View, getting up to the point, I think eventually maybe that would 431 00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:35,930 be part of the conversation, but that's another challenge beyond that. 432 00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:38,070 We don't need to dive into it right now. 433 00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:40,710 So there's that. 434 00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:45,410 And then as far as signage go, I do think that there's a couple other boards other than ours. 435 00:33:45,810 --> 00:33:48,510 I mean, yes, we can talk about putting up signs from our front. 436 00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:50,730 But there's a couple other boards. 437 00:33:51,390 --> 00:33:53,210 How do you have to argue with the name of it? 438 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:55,730 But the trails committee, the trail... 439 00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:57,730 There's the record transfer? 440 00:33:58,010 --> 00:34:00,390 Yeah, the Recreation Transportation Board. 441 00:34:00,790 --> 00:34:03,390 They do a lot of grants and things of that feature. 442 00:34:03,810 --> 00:34:07,850 Be something that the POA or somebody could go to to ask for better signage. 443 00:34:07,850 --> 00:34:17,190 Um, you can talk to them, talk to the county entities, you tell me if there's a better one about going to the right toll places about their maps and things that nature. 444 00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:22,910 We obviously will do what we can do, but our permit will only go so far for some of those things. 445 00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:28,670 Like, if we want to put a sign up, I say I go get the county, the road to artist permission, all those kinds of things. 446 00:34:28,670 --> 00:34:37,350 So, although I don't disagree with what you're saying, I think that having an ATV loop out around your supervision would make all sense in the world. 447 00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:47,670 But getting that done isn't for this board to do. But as a mountain community, as a whole, I recognize that that's definitely something. 448 00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:55,770 So, if you want to, if anybody wants to work on that, I can try and help facilitate with the county commissioners who to talk to you and all those things. 449 00:34:55,770 --> 00:35:00,410 things, but there's ways to approach that situation as well. 450 00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:03,710 It's not something that I've... 451 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,070 Well, that's not a very expensive thing to do. 452 00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:06,250 Oh. 453 00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:09,230 It just takes a lot of time when they see seeing it. 454 00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:09,530 Yeah. 455 00:35:09,830 --> 00:35:10,710 Versus and short. 456 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:14,470 And the grand volume of things for that type of thing is out there. 457 00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:18,250 It's really the time of knowing where to go and how to... 458 00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:19,190 I'm out of it. 459 00:35:19,770 --> 00:35:23,010 Well, and if you guys in the POA want to do it, it's a simple request to 460 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:29,310 that's not hard to do at all, I mean, can't meet for years and officers, so yeah, understood. 461 00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:37,670 And like I said, we can do what we can do, but our scope in this, the overall big picture is only one piece. 462 00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:42,610 So that's where we try and help, you know, the county commissioners are going to read that's where they try and talk. 463 00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:45,110 That's where they're all going to help facilitate those kinds of things. 464 00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:46,230 Would you agree with that? 465 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:47,310 these are better with the state. 466 00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:51,070 I was thinking the money would be a possibility for those opposite charism. 467 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:55,370 We, you know, do the maps of different heights and rides, like, I don't know. 468 00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:59,090 Redirected it was, I got to give somebody else an issue. 469 00:35:59,390 --> 00:35:59,970 Or since you get a receipt. 470 00:35:59,970 --> 00:36:01,310 Well, there isn't any law in the strawberry. 471 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:02,030 Redirected it. 472 00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:04,390 Tracked charism sign down and have the mileage. 473 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:07,790 Yeah, those are all the things that are going to be great. 474 00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:11,530 But again, not necessarily for this, but I recognize, you know, I just want to make sure that 475 00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:12,170 I recognize that. 476 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:17,520 And it's definitely easier than to your team. 477 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:21,540 It's a stronger bridge road than it ain't pretty well. 478 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,080 I don't think it's right off the road. 479 00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:25,420 It's a good trail. 480 00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:29,160 I would want to drive my truck down to the end of the truck. 481 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,260 Cars aren't really. 482 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,920 It would be the decrease of side-by-side traffic. 483 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,460 And then we would encourage on the side-by-sites, 484 00:36:39,220 --> 00:36:40,360 you know, the guys spin and don't. 485 00:36:40,620 --> 00:36:42,760 They're going to do that on top of the Mack 4.2 486 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,520 And they tell you that don't don't think that we're not sure making the calls to the sheriff's apartment to deal with that on the roads 487 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,820 That are already being treated so there is an aspect that we do get involved with that as well 488 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:57,780 So limiting the traffic the unnecessary traffic for the you know 489 00:36:57,780 --> 00:37:04,220 Cybers are traffic that is harder on the roads that is that part didn't does come back to us a little bit to to do what we can 490 00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:06,360 With the sheriff's office and DNR and those kinds of people 491 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,800 It's also the people in the community and their own children 492 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,420 Yeah, maybe they're sitting here now 493 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:21,320 Yeah, I mean, that's the biggest thing for, like I said, I sit on a lot of boards and deal with all kinds of these different issues and it's just really coming together as if we need to and trying to do what's smart. 494 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,460 I completely understand that we're not going to make everybody happy. 495 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,000 It's about the big picture and trying to do the best we can with that. 496 00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:36,540 Other than that, if anybody has any other questions, I don't need to keep running my mouth because I'll do that online. 497 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:46,120 Yeah, we can, I'm happy to write it, and our email addresses are really long, so I'm happy to read with you after the meeting and we'll write them down for you. 498 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,900 Oh yeah, that's a good place. 499 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:13,280 and then all of our, all of our department emails are on there and then if you need us for further conversation we can handle that, so can I be a comment? 500 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:13,840 Yes, please. 501 00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:20,960 You know, it doesn't take, you can go down the map to the people that rent the ATDs with 502 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,720 whatever you want, ask them to use it. 503 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:27,840 It doesn't take the government, so I'm sure that you can do that. 504 00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:33,320 Oh, like I want to take my time. 505 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:33,900 Is that enough? 506 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,320 I don't know. 507 00:38:37,260 --> 00:38:40,720 One more opportunity for public comment. 508 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,880 Anybody have anything else? 509 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:46,560 It's kind of that's speaking out for a more ultra-peace conversation, kind of face it right now, absolutely. 510 00:38:48,220 --> 00:38:48,580 Okay. 511 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,020 I welcome, I'm motion. 512 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,520 Or do you want all the emotions in here to show you? 513 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:57,200 I have a hopefully adjourned the meeting at 6.40, please. 514 00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:57,980 That's it. 515 00:38:58,840 --> 00:38:59,040 Okay. 516 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,080 6.40? 517 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,080 Yes, ma'am. 518 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,140 Okay. 519 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:04,080 Thank you, everybody. 520 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:04,860 Thank you. 521 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,820 We'll be here tomorrow morning. 522 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:06,100 Okay. 523 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,780 And if you want to come here, the rest of the, the rest of the stores business.