[0:24] All right. Good evening.
I'm going to call this Senate and City
[0:28] Council meeting to order for September
8th, 2026.
[0:32] Everyone in attendance, please rise and
join me in the pledge of allegiance.
[0:41] Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, to the
[0:46] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:53] justice for all.
>> Please remain standing. Uh Joshua Julius
[0:57] in prayer, sir.
>> Lord, thank you for bringing us here
[1:00] tonight. Thank you for the city of
Centerton. Pray that as we do the
[1:04] business tonight that you will uh be
with us. Help us look out for the best
[1:09] uh for Centerton as well as be with all
of our other commissions, the utility
[1:14] and planning and uh the AAP, all of them
that are here for the city. Give us
[1:19] wisdom to help guide and lead. And
tonight, please name of Jesus we pray.
[1:26] » Thanks for punch.
>> Thanks, Bill.
[1:30] Oh, yeah. I guess you found a deer. All
right. You're welcome. Let me go get you
[1:35] some more, you know.
>> All right. Roll call, sir.
[1:38] » Thom.
[1:45] And Cody Miles
>> here.
[1:47] » All right. Well, first on the agenda is
approval of the city council meeting
[1:50] minutes from August 11th, 2026.
We did find one smaller on page two. Um
[1:58] we had uh Justin listed as Justin Reed.
Uh we have now changed that to Justin
[2:03] Calgary or something with discussion.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[2:06] » So after that and they're corrected
here.
[2:10] » Thank you for acknowledging.
>> So outside that nothing else has
[2:13] changed. So would like to make motion to
adopt the minutes for August 11th 2026.
[2:19] » We have a motion. We have a second.
>> Second.
[2:20] » All in favor?
>> Any opposed? All right. Next is
[2:24] acknowledge the receipt of the water and
sewer commission meeting minutes from
[2:27] July 21st and August 5th and also the
planning commission meeting minutes from
[2:32] August 4th and August 18th, 2026.
>> I make a motion to acknowledge your
[2:38] seat.
>> Move.
[2:39] » We have a motion by Cliff. We have a
second.
[2:41] » Second.
>> Second by Josh. All in favor?
[2:45] » Any opposed? All right. Next is our
financial report. Uh so far we are third
[2:51] of the way through the quarter which
represents 66.72%.
[2:55] Expense-wise we're at 65.43. So we're
still on track. Revenue wise we're just
[3:00] a little little over that at 71%.
Uh couple noteworthy things uh that we
[3:06] are a little concerned with is is our
building permits are down. Uh you know
[3:12] and a lot of I think is just due to our
sewer issue but hopefully that'll get
[3:15] resolved soon. They're working with
that. I think TJ will give us an update
[3:18] when we when we get there. Uh but
outside of that, I think, you know, city
[3:23] sales tax, county sales tax looks uh
overall good shape. And then our street
[3:28] fund, um yeah, the street fund is uh
revenue wise 83%, expense is 53%.
[3:37] You're getting ready to spend a little
bit of that tonight on a on a truck. So,
[3:40] uh outside that that's all I have and
court report is attached. Does anybody
[3:46] have uh any uh any questions?
If not, like make a motion to accept the
[3:53] financial report for the general street
fund, also the court report.
[3:57] » I'd like to say thank you to Shannana
for answering my questions. Appreciate
[4:00] you. And I would make a motion to
accept.
[4:03] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a
second.
[4:05] » Second.
>> All in favor? Any opposed? All right.
[4:08] Next is department reports. And I'm
going to bring TJ up. He's going to give
[4:11] a little bit of update uh what's
happening over at the utility.
[4:16] » All you're all having a good day after
Labor Day. Um we got an updated report
[4:23] today [clears throat] from Benton
Washington Regional Water Authority
[4:26] requesting that water conservation be
extended through the end of this week,
[4:31] not next week, with high temperatures
continuing to be in the upper 90s for
[4:36] the remainder of the week and demand.
Right now, demand is pacing to be over
[4:40] 500 million gallons for the entire water
distribution system for the month of
[4:46] September, which would be like over 10%
higher than any September on record
[4:51] based on their uh input today. So, I
think the extension of the water
[4:57] conservation um is going to be
beneficial, but we'll be with soon and
[5:02] shortly. I guess that brings me to one
of the comments. Uh, at the meeting this
[5:07] past month, we did have a good
informative discussion with Chief Harper
[5:11] as far as how are we going to enforce
the water conservation ordinance that
[5:17] was passed last month. Um, I think when
I presented that to y'all, I did say,
[5:22] "Hey, this is a first blush, a first
stab just to get the conversation going
[5:27] and this should be revised and updated
in the future." and I recommend that
[5:32] happening not while we're in the
emergency of a crisis or things like
[5:36] that. So hopefully something we can talk
about quarter one next year um to get
[5:40] that updated. One of the concerns is
just how do we enforce it, right? That
[5:44] requires either code enforcement or um
the police department to enforce that um
[5:50] and what does that look like? So, um I
think the utility department has some
[5:54] ideas and solutions that can take that
burden off of code enforcement or the
[5:58] police um and leave it in the authority
of the utility um without potentially
[6:03] the stipulation of fines and things, but
actually just utilizing um meters u as
[6:10] our ability to if people aren't
compliant. So, just as a general update,
[6:15] but there's no proposal to revise that
right now. As far as if there's been
[6:21] enforcement, um to my knowledge, there
hasn't. Um but at the same time, we also
[6:26] have seen majority of the community um
you know, following along saying, "Hey,
[6:31] we want to take care of our system as a
community and are obliging with the
[6:35] requested conservation authority
request." Are they going to be sending
[6:39] that request out to the general public
or are they putting it on the cities
[6:43] » on Facebook so far?
>> Okay. Yeah. Right. We've just put it on
[6:47] » then the news kind of reported on this
afternoon it looks like.
[6:50] » Yeah.
>> You know when you look at it went from
[6:53] it says that last September our
customers used 486 MG
[6:57] alltime September usage record is 494.
We're at 567 again. It
[7:01] » that's the projected correct. Yep.
>> But like where is that in relation to
[7:06] » August or July? population uses like how
you know I understand it's higher
[7:11] » like as far as
>> I don't have the
[7:13] » if the long range is it long-term
planning issue like what where are we at
[7:17] on that like you know because we have
more population here
[7:20] » sure more flow
>> so I think if you go back to Benton
[7:23] Washington regelities post the past few
months they've explained their
[7:28] » in very smart people detail yes
>> yes
[7:32] » long post
>> not not exactly the best public
[7:35] communication means and methods But if
you drive around the county, you see the
[7:40] big old blue pipe that's uh steel.
That's the new transmission line that
[7:45] Benton Washington Regional is
installing. So that's going to be able
[7:48] to feed um the west side of the county
to the Decatur tank farm. And the reason
[7:55] that the conservation request is being
put out is because of the pumping
[7:59] capacity at the plant in Aoka, which is
just north of Beaver Lake. um the
[8:05] pumping capacity is tied directly to the
distribution uh main coming out of uh
[8:12] the plant over there, right? So,
increased piping capacity is going to
[8:17] help with the pumping capacity as well.
They are doing upgrades at their plant.
[8:20] In addition, um as far as Center
Utilities as well, right, we accept our
[8:26] water from them. We have a couple points
in town where we meter that at. uh
[8:31] update on the water uh storage tank. Um
our team is working to put that online.
[8:37] Um we're going to put that online with
only [clears throat] one pump in
[8:41] operation at the water storage tank. So
um that's because we believe you know
[8:48] the second pump is a redundant pump if
that first pump goes out. So we
[8:52] understand that we'll be operating at a
risk. Um, but with a brand new pond,
[8:58] we should be relatively protected and
safe. We've been operating without that
[9:03] elevated storage tank right now. So, I
mean, even if it were to go down, um,
[9:08] we'd still be able to supply water at
the immediate need, right? But we just
[9:11] want to get online, get it operational,
get it functioning. Um the other pump is
[9:17] um in maintenance um and we're in
negotiations with the contractor as far
[9:22] as that process. So just a general
update there. Sewer projects, all three
[9:28] projects are underway. Um things are
going, things are moving, progress is
[9:34] being made, contractors are showing up
to the monthly meetings as requested.
[9:37] That's going to help with transparency
and communication directly between the
[9:41] commission and the contractors. So, um,
the other update, uh, we're hoping to
[9:48] have a joint work session with y'all,
the utility commission and the city
[9:51] council. We're trying to target
September 21st. It looks like the the
[9:56] best possible date.
>> Let me throw a couple dates out there
[9:58] before we make sure most of us can be
there, too.
[10:02] » Um, I think the other date that could
work is potentially October five. So,
[10:08] » I don't think that will work. I think
there's another event.
[10:10] » Oh, yeah. October 5 there was a
conflict. Um
[10:14] » any way to do it on like other than
Monday?
[10:17] » Um potentially we can work with
you know that today's work well with
[10:22] him.
>> Aaron Benzing uh uh Hawkins who's
[10:28] performing that report study. I guess
the other day that we could look at uh
[10:32] be a Wednesday. So
>> this be during the day or the evening?
[10:37] uh 6:30 in the evening likely. So
>> or seven
[10:42] » um
but those two weeks
[10:48] would be
so trying to get it in September just so
[10:52] Aaron can honor his request. We he
couldn't make it uh to today's meeting
[10:57] just uh they're they've got like one
final push this week to get it buttoned
[11:02] up and everything. So, uh, in my
opinion, they've done a great job.
[11:07] They've been very open and
communicative, um, with us. Um, the last
[11:11] update I had with him verbally doesn't
really change much from what he had
[11:15] presented to us a few months back. So,
when he meets, I don't think that we
[11:19] should be hit with many surprises other
than there's still going to be some
[11:23] studies that need to be done and some
additional work, but we have we have
[11:28] outlined path for the immediate future
is what I believe we'll be hearing. Um,
[11:32] and so with that, we're also continuing
to negotiate with Naka and have those
[11:37] discussions,
but I can get an email in Bill with a
[11:42] couple potential dates and he can
circulate with you all to uh get that
[11:47] joint work session locked in. So,
>> question for you, TJ. Um, residents that
[11:54] are in close proximity to the Allen Road
lift station are concerned about the
[11:58] odors coming from that. um in their mind
it's going to be open for 18 months. Is
[12:03] that the case? Does that have to be open
for 18 months or can that work be
[12:07] completed and have it closed back?
>> I mean the it will be on and off
[12:12] construction at that site for the
duration of the project. There's also a
[12:16] second phase of that Allen Road lift
station improvement project that was not
[12:20] bid out. um that's going to be
specifically like pump improvements,
[12:24] electrical improvements, things of this
nature uh at that site that those will
[12:28] be bid out in the future. Those pro
those items were not bid out with this
[12:32] initial project because they did not
directly affect the capacity um
[12:37] improvements we needed to make to the
collection system. So we broke that off
[12:40] separate to the collection improvements.
So the recent work that was done at
[12:44] Allen station was the cing of the
18-inch thick wall to accept the new
[12:49] influent pipe. Um and that is a slow
process. Um and does take time. So there
[12:56] will be I mean also Allen Road lift
station is one of our larger sites for
[13:02] uh storage materials things of this
nature. So that there [clears throat]
[13:05] will be construction activity that site.
>> Anything that can be done to mitigate
[13:10] some of the odors or are there any? I
think our team is working as best we can
[13:14] to do that. Um, yeah, there's some
deodorizers that we can include into the
[13:19] the wet well lift station, but it's also
being just bypass pumped, right? And
[13:24] it's just exposed and open. Do
everything we can.
[13:31] » All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[13:35] » All right. And you got the rest of the
department report. So, anybody got any
[13:38] more questions?
[13:41] All right. So, next we'll move on to
public comment.
[13:56] » Read rules first. You can stay there.
>> All right. So, before we begin tonight's
[14:00] meeting or tonight's public comment, I'd
like to review the rules for public
[14:03] comment. Public comment is an
opportunity for residents to address the
[14:07] city council on matters related to city
business. Speakers are asked to come to
[14:11] the podium, state their name and address
for the record. Comments will be limited
[14:15] to three minutes per speaker, which I
have a clock up here on the wall, uh,
[14:19] unless otherwise approved by the
council. Please direct all comments to
[14:22] the council as a whole and maintain
respectful and professional conduct at
[14:26] all times. Personal attacks, disruptive
behavior, profanity, or abusive language
[14:30] will not be permitted. Comments should
remain relevant to city business or
[14:34] agenda items being discussed. All right,
go ahead. Sorry about that. I I will
[14:39] open up public comment.
>> My name is Andrew Silva. I live at 830
[14:43] Harvest Street where I shot things out
for the council to review.
[14:57] » Thank
[15:13] past two weeks, I spent my time looking
through city budget between 2022 and
[15:19] 2026.
Uh found some interesting things within
[15:24] our legal services that I'd like to just
bring up for discussion if you care to
[15:29] have it. I understand that generally
speaking, uh, contracts for the city
[15:33] attorney are reviewed in December.
Uh,
[15:38] I did submit what you're going to have
in front of you. The first page is
[15:41] simply an analysis of all invoices sent
by Mr. Rabble to the city.
[15:46] Comprehensive breakdown and categories
he puts in his invoices. There is a
[15:50] foyer on page two regarding the request
for all said invoices
[15:56] and the SOP by which we obtain said
invoices
[16:00] and remit for payment. Um so a couple
things to call out.
[16:07] I haven't seen his contract u so I'm not
going to speak to what's there because I
[16:11] effectively don't know what's there. Uh
but some key call outs here. For the
[16:15] last
sevenish full months, we've created
[16:19] $3,000 to read, write, or review um or
draft emails. Um 15,000 documentary
[16:27] reviews, 14,000 forces, prosecution
fees, and goes to court every month. Um
[16:31] series of meetings which includes city
council and planning commission and
[16:35] teleconferences at 7,000. Uh, it
includes 812 emails, 183 separate
[16:42] documents, 148 teleconference calls, and
so on and so forth. Um,
[16:47] I just find that a lot of money to pay
an individual who's an elected official
[16:53] who on average works less than 50 hours
a month and builds the city on average
[16:59] of $11,700.
[17:03] Sometimes less, sometimes more. Uh, I
also find it kind of concerning that
[17:09] at an elected official,
the practice is that he sends his
[17:14] invoices to the mayor who's another
elected official who then reviews and
[17:19] sends those off to be paid. Um, you
don't do that in the private sector. You
[17:24] don't have employee Bob sending his
attendance sheets to CEO for payment,
[17:29] right? There's HR. There's there's other
processes and people involved in that.
[17:33] Um, so I think at a minimum it would be
very helpful if we had an SOP on how we
[17:38] want to handle payments with elected
officials just to avoid any look at
[17:43] impropriy.
Um, page three are invoices from June
[17:50] concerns I have here and just wanted to
bring it to light was uh about 24
[17:56] minutes into the June meeting. Um,
Justin had asked, sorry, Joshua had
[18:00] asked a question about an email I had
sent. Uh, city attorney admitted he
[18:05] didn't review his email until that day.
>> Excuse me, until that specific meeting.
[18:10] And yet there's a separate billing
charge and we were already paying him
[18:13] $900 to serve in his official capacity
during the meeting. Um, so I know I
[18:19] don't have much time, a lot of time. Um
the point is I think there's a better
[18:27] way matter of fact I know there's a
better way how to manage finance in
[18:32] billing um especially with elected
officials.
[18:36] I think an ordinance uh is appropriate
at some point in time. I know it's not
[18:40] on the agenda for today. I take liberty
to draft one up for you all to look at
[18:45] in your own time and review. I think
would be very helpful at just ensuring
[18:50] uh basically no appearance of empathy in
any capacity for Yes.
[18:56] » Your time's up.
>> I'm finished. I mean, wrap it up.
[19:00] » Just Yeah, I think the word
>> go ahead. Wrap it up.
[19:04] » Um that's all I have. I mean, if you
guys have any any feedback, I I
[19:08] certainly welcome it or just just
encourage you to have general
[19:10] discussion. This doesn't include all the
legal services. There's about $56,000
[19:16] that we pay uh for membership fees to
the municipal league. So that also that
[19:22] you know at this rate he's going to make
140 $34,000 a year versus part time.
[19:29] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[19:31] » Anyone else?
>> Can I ask one quick?
[19:33] » Yeah, go ahead. Andrew, um, just to
summarize,
[19:36] um, your request is that there be an SOP
ordinance describing how we receive the
[19:42] bill and pay those out.
>> Correct? I thought
[19:52] I ask one question real quick. I'm
sorry, Andrew. On the on the last tab or
[19:55] column on the invoice, do you know what
that header is?
[20:00] Like I see the bill hours, the amount.
What's that last? So he has bill of he
[20:04] has his rate and then that's the total.
>> Okay.
[20:07] » And the other thing u uh that I think
would also be helpful for billing
[20:12] practices. I know it's not required by
the state supreme court or by state
[20:15] legislation. Um but obviously the city
attorney def represents the city in
[20:19] legal matters. So I think it would be
helpful to to add in a requirement that
[20:23] actual case numbers be tied to the
invoice. That way he can actually track
[20:28] total dollars spent on each individual
lawsuit that the the attorney has to
[20:32] represent city on.
>> Thank you.
[20:36] » Wait, y'all got any more questions for
Andrew before we move on?
[20:42] » Chris Mooney 1325 North Main Street. Uh
a couple of uh shorter items I sent to
[20:49] all of y'all uh about a month and a half
ago with the five
[20:55] relationship between the city and the
commission and it ran from nothing to
[21:03] dissolve the
city mayor. Um, at this point in our
[21:10] life cycle with all the
things going on related to the utility
[21:16] conventions, I think the latter would be
inconvenient for everybody and probably
[21:22] an issue in the near term. What I would
suggest though, and the mayor has
[21:26] brought this up, as have other people,
Mindy McClendon and others at the
[21:30] commission, why don't you pass a
resolution simply asking them to webcast
[21:36] their meetings,
>> their meetings?
[21:40] » We've asked that before, actually.
>> Been asking that asked that several
[21:42] times.
>> I'd love [clears throat] to at least
[21:45] have a recording of it.
>> It's 2026. I don't know.
[21:50] » This room, they could fit it up in their
own room. Anyway, um that would be
[21:54] » what did you say right there? they could
actually meet in this room
[22:00] up for that which anyway that's would be
>> as that several times and actually they
[22:05] I think there was a little bit of a push
back from them at one point
[22:07] » they said no
>> there was a lot of push back
[22:09] » I don't understand that at all
>> I ask you there has been historically a
[22:15] fair amount of push back on
that type of
[22:20] » it would be they push back on the video
but I did request the recording of a
[22:24] meeting I was not able to attend And I
was provided that within an hour they
[22:30] record them. The audio recording was
>> they have to record them.
[22:34] » Why don't they put
>> all public?
[22:36] » But you'd like to have a repository if
you want to go out and listen without
[22:39] request. You'd like to have that.
>> Right.
[22:43] » There needs to be more public disclosure
of the discussion to go on within the
[22:48] utility commission. There's clearly a
lot of moving parts in wastewater and
[22:54] water currently and so I think that
would be a good start
[23:00] moving forward
>> as as will this meeting that TJ just
[23:04] brought up. Um and then the other item I
have is on item number 28 this evening.
[23:14] um after plan adoption.
I hope you do it. The Pierce family
[23:20] here,
they would be very happy. They've been
[23:24] very cooperative with the um planning
staff on thinking about what can be done
[23:32] and thank you for doing that. And
[23:37] » the city needs to move forward otherwise
you may lose their cooperation.
[23:42] Thanks, Chris.
>> Thank you.
[23:45] » You're crying.
>> I was kind of yawning.
[23:49] » Don't cry. [laughter]
Anyone else?
[23:54] » Thomas?
[23:58] Thomas C. Locks, 1421 Florentine Road.
Mr. Mayor, ladies and gentlemen of the
[24:05] Center City Council,
on Sunday, 20 September, 2026,
[24:12] 1:00 p.m. to 3 p.m. I, Thomas Elox, will
be hosting a candidates forum at the old
[24:19] Center City Town Hall, 290 North Main
Street team. Bring your questions. Bring
[24:27] your children. Who's invited? All
candidates running for office are
[24:32] encouraged to attend. All eligible
voters acting in good faith are asked to
[24:37] attend with their children.
What will be the highlight? At 3:10, the
[24:44] floor will be open to candidates running
for city council. Next will come the
[24:48] mayor candidates and after that all
other candidates based on time and
[24:56] uh number of participants.
>> What was the date again, Thomas?
[24:59] » Thank you. It's Sunday.
[25:03] » Yes.
>> September 20th.
[25:04] » September 20th, 1 p.m. to 3 p.m.
>> Thanks.
[25:11] » Okay, so that's the highlights. Why is
it on Sunday? I know you're asking that
[25:15] question. Opportunity, and I wrote this
down. Familyfriendly venue.
[25:22] Why is it familyfriendly?
Free beverages, free snacks, free food.
[25:31] Okay, now I'm going to have the part
that hurts. The feedback to the
[25:34] candidates that were there last time. I
was asked to say this. There are two
[25:38] things that was brought up. Number one,
I was asked to ask you not to talk about
[25:43] yourself so much. So, you just refer it
to your website or whatever if they want
[25:48] your background, but they thought you
were kind of uh slow rolling things so
[25:52] you didn't have to answer questions. And
then uh everybody was like, "This does
[25:58] not work." or this is the problem. But
nobody came forth with plans and plans
[26:02] to implement those plans. So my
suggestion would be this is the first
[26:07] thing I'm going to do on the day I'm
elected. This is the second thing I'm
[26:10] going to do, third thing, etc., etc. And
let people know how you're going to make
[26:15] that happen. Okay, here's the
conclusion.
[26:19] All the time, all I hear about is
rights. Everybody has rights, right? And
[26:23] I'll fight for your rights. I have no
problem fighting for your rights. But
[26:26] along with rights comes
responsibilities.
[26:31] Every eligible citizen has a civic duty
to vote.
[26:36] So let's stop with the excuses and get
out and vote.
[26:40] » Thank you.
>> Thank you, Thomas.
[26:41] » Hey, did I see you out with a vest
[sighs and gasps] last week picking up
[26:45] trash on the side of the road?
>> No.
[26:48] [laughter]
>> Or some like or rid's bicycle to
[26:52] Bentonville. I see him every morning.
>> Yeah. Anyone else? Public comment.
[27:03] » I'd like to say
no. Yeah, you come on back up. We need
[27:06] your name and address.
>> My name is Taylor Seismore. I am with
[27:10] the Pierce family. Uh, and on the Pierce
Farm.
[27:14] » You got an address.
>> What's your address?
[27:18] » Your address is 40 Mealbrook Circle in
Bentonville. Okay.
[27:21] » I'm here representing the Beers Farm.
>> Okay. Go ahead, sir. Sorry,
[27:25] » my comments are towards the new
downtown. Is that going to have another
[27:29] public comment or is now the time to
speak?
[27:31] » Now's the time.
>> Okay. So,
[27:33] » already had their hearing and
everything. So, this is the time.
[27:35] » Same thing is what Mr. Mooney had
already mentioned is we have been in
[27:38] participation with all of this. I
personally was on the uh Centerton
[27:43] downtown steering committee as as a
landowner rep. So, I just want everybody
[27:48] to know that the three largest land
owners that were within this boundary of
[27:53] the downtown plan, they were present at
all of the steering committee meetings
[27:57] and so they gave their input. They gave
their feedback and they had full
[28:02] participation throughout that. I just
want the city council to understand that
[28:06] before they go into their vote.
um some other things that
[28:11] uh
this is going to require some sort of
[28:16] ordinances to be established. But
another thing I want everybody to
[28:20] understand on this type of large
development is there's communities and
[28:24] the plan zoning districts and this can
have its specific rules and regulations
[28:29] and types of zoning without having to do
the entire complex zoning amendments to
[28:35] the like the center plan to max this.
So, there's ways to do these large
[28:41] amazing projects. So, uh I just want
everybody to know that the Pierce
[28:46] family's been participating. Uh we
support this new downtown plan and we
[28:52] hope to see it go through.
>> Thank you, sir.
[28:56] » Thank you.
>> Anyone else? Oh, yeah. Cindy, I thought
[28:59] somebody else was coming up.
>> I know who you are, but say for him. I
[29:05] got you. got me. Um, got my address.
>> I got you.
[29:11] » I just wanted to say, um, in part of
what Chris had to say, I have been
[29:17] attending
meetings for about the last three and a
[29:20] half years off and on things I've heard
is incredulous.
[29:26] Last month's meeting,
in my opinion, was one of the worst.
[29:31] Wendy brought up some of the things to
me that I had just completely oversening
[29:36] and it was just some of the words or the
comments that were made by the
[29:40] commissioners
was just shocking and um not in the
[29:48] realm of a servant's heart. Who are they
serving if they're not serving the
[29:51] residents of Sandon? And on Chris's
options what to do with the water
[29:57] commission, I'm going to disagree with
the do nothing. I think something needs
[30:02] to be done. We need to you you all need
to evaluate what their actual mission
[30:07] is, what their goals are, and how are
they accomplishing them. Are they
[30:11] accomplishing them? Um I was just
shocked. I think those meetings, they
[30:16] don't they should not have an option.
They should be recorded.
[30:21] They're serving the residents of Center.
We have the right to know apart from
[30:26] attending every one of them during those
hours uh what is going on in those
[30:31] meetings.
>> You know stick it to them to the
[30:35] residents of center is not an
appropriate comment for a commissioner
[30:41] that is serving the residents of center
and other things were said last month.
[30:47] This room is already set up for
recording. If they don't want to go
[30:51] through the expense of setting up this
room for it, then they need to come
[30:56] here. But they need to be recorded so
that the residents of Centerton can see
[31:00] and hear what is being said and done. 41
to 45% water loss is not okay. People
[31:10] need to be held accountable for that.
The national average is 20 to 25%.
[31:17] We far exceed that. That means 45 cents
of every dollar that we pay in for water
[31:24] is going into the ground because we're
paying for it.
[31:29] So anyhow, please don't not do anything.
The water commission needs to be
[31:36] examined.
>> That's just one comment on that. I just
[31:40] wanted to say to TJ
I just respect you and your
[31:44] professionalism, the consistency and
your professionalism in each of those
[31:49] meetings. I attend every meeting. So, I
just appreciate the work that you do and
[31:54] the input that you give. That's a high
caliber that needs to be consistent with
[32:00] everyone on
>> I just don't want you to take that
[32:03] personally.
[32:08] It's just something
you have.
[32:16] » Last call. Anyone else?
>> You already spoke.
[32:20] » I'm back.
>> Don't get times. [laughter]
[32:26] » Since Cindy brought up the water loss
and I wasn't going to talk about it
[32:30] tonight, but let's get the actual real
numbers according to their audit. And
[32:34] those are the real numbers.
Um, I've been told they're not the real
[32:38] numbers in commission meeting, but they
are the real financial.
[32:43] In 2023, the loss rate was 41.4%.
In 2024, the loss rate was 42.4%
[32:52] and in 2025, the loss rate was up to
46.6%.
[32:56] That was a little that was almost uh
that was $2,48,000
[33:01] worth losses
[snorts] water paid for that went to the
[33:05] ground. Now, they are making an effort.
And when I brought this up the last
[33:10] time, I was asked if uh if I was
accusing them of being incompetent.
[33:15] I said, "No, I'm trying to encourage you
to spend the money to fix the problem.
[33:20] Hopefully, we'll get better numbers for
206,
[33:24] but wrong direction."
>> Well, I have some questions for TJ if
[33:29] that's all right.
>> Come on, back up, TJ.
[33:33] » Welcome to the hot seat.
Uh when I was on commission, we set up
[33:38] the crews that were going to go around
and fix the leaks
[33:42] update on those crews.
>> Yeah. So we need to still get the
[33:45] monthly update with the data that you
had requested
[33:50] of um service projects per month. Um
it's steady. Um
[33:58] I will say that beginning of the year
the no water loss increase was high and
[34:04] so the center utility staff team our
crews that are our employees kind of
[34:11] pivoted and they went and spent I
believe don't quote me on the months I
[34:15] don't have the data right in front of me
but I believe
[34:18] spent a lot of time listening to all
hydrants and to as many meter cans as
[34:23] they possibly could. Um the the staff of
the utility is very
[34:31] understands the dire need to improve
water loss.
[34:36] Again, yes, the national averages for
water loss are much lower. The average
[34:42] for water loss in Northwest Arkansas is
very much in line with what Centerton
[34:46] is. I'm not saying that means we should
do nothing and be adequate with being
[34:50] just like everybody else. However, this
is not just a problem. City of Centerton
[34:54] is fighting. City of Fyville is fighting
this problem. City of Bentonville, city
[34:58] of Springdale, they're all fighting this
same problem. Has to do with type of
[35:03] material used um installation
construction methods back in the 2000s,
[35:09] 2010s, um things of this nature. We do
uh you know we've had conversations with
[35:15] Bentville and they say don't do this
because
[35:18] don't don't spend your money talking to
this type of contractor because they're
[35:22] not going to yield results. Okay, we
heed that advice. So it's like okay,
[35:26] we're not going to go chase that rabbit
hole. Bet Bill's already spent that
[35:29] money and said we we didn't find success
in that. Right. That's just one example,
[35:34] right, that I I've been in that
conversation with Preston New. Um so
[35:39] we're using our resources. resources
include, you know, professionals outside
[35:44] of the utilities office, but also
colleagues at other utility departments.
[35:49] Um, so that I think that's just the
general update. We still have a contract
[35:55] with two contractors to perform
serviceability
[35:58] improvements. I believe they're in
Sienna right now is my understanding.
[36:02] » Okay. So maybe some things have changed.
We had we were hiring two sets of teams
[36:07] or that was the goal within within the
utility to handle that outsourcing that
[36:13] now
>> we have both.
[36:15] » We have both. So so we do have two teams
within the city on the utility they're
[36:18] doing our way down to one because I know
we moved back to one due to due to uh
[36:24] red some people left I think. I I don't
know the exact stats but we have
[36:29] internal team doing service repair and
placement and we have outside cons uh
[36:34] contractors also doing the same task
there budget talks are going to be
[36:39] coming up here in the next few months.
Staff has requested some expenses that
[36:44] will help with some tools to expedite um
water service replacement stuff. So
[36:51] » you could definitely see driving down
Sienna.
[36:54] » That's that was what I was gonna ask. I
drove down in Sienna, that neighborhood,
[37:00] » and some of those yards were in pretty
bad shape after looks like after the
[37:05] fact.
>> Are we anything about making those
[37:09] better shape or are we going to leave
them that way?
[37:13] » Um, so I'll speak to my residence was
done a year and a half ago. Mhm.
[37:19] » Um, my sidewalk was exposed, I think,
for like eight weeks, um, just with
[37:24] gravel. Um, and I believe it was, uh,
Center Utilities that did my residence.
[37:32] Um, that's due to timing of concrete
trucks and things like that. Like, we're
[37:38] not going to go get a concrete truck for
every sidewalk fix, right?
[37:42] » Some of the yards looked really bad. It
wasn't even a
[37:44] » Right. And so Paul, so I guess to to
that point, right, the the area around
[37:48] that sidewalk that was disturbed and the
meters um that did not get rehabilitated
[37:53] until the sidewalks were completed and
so and yeah, there was some maintenance
[37:58] that I had to do to my space there,
right? Um our our crews I think put it
[38:04] back as best they can, but I can pass on
the message that to
[38:09] » continue to provide care. appreciate the
work that the utility puts in. Those did
[38:14] look pretty bad though when I drove down
through there.
[38:16] » Understood. Understood. [clears throat]
[38:20] » Suggestions.
>> Oh, I will say just for public record
[38:25] that the way they're monitoring the
customer side of the meters is very
[38:31] nice. I got a text message that I had
increased usage over a two-month period
[38:36] and I have almost probably a little over
600 feet of water line from the meter to
[38:41] my house. So, I would have never known
that. But a quick test text message
[38:46] said, "Hey, you need to check
something." And come to find out, I did
[38:50] have a leak. I was losing about
threequarters of a gallon a minute into
[38:54] my field. So, I appreciate the
notification. You know, it was
[38:59] incremental change. it went from, you
know, 2,000 to 3,000 to 8,000. Um, but
[39:06] that was good to get that notification
and to be able to to find that rectify
[39:10] that problem in 3 days. Um, but I would
have never known. I would just keep
[39:14] paying my water bill thinking, I guess
I'm using more water, you know, because
[39:18] I have a certain things like that. But
to to have them monitoring that ination
[39:23] was appreciated.
[39:28] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> Before I close public comment on Chris,
[39:33] you gave us some pictures. Did you want
to talk about these?
[39:39] » Well, I'm sitting here. I'm looking at
it, but I figured you wanted to say
[39:42] something.
>> The mayor and I both walk every day. But
[39:48] just for those who don't, there's your
this will be
[39:53] dollars at work, please. the remediation
of the existing sewage lines and
[40:02] » well it's 16.5 million dollars we part
this project by the way just as an aside
[40:08] again so that's what it is I mean
there's pipes all over the place but
[40:12] that was the largest fielding of pipes
and the biggest hole it's an impressive
[40:17] hole if you haven't gone by take a look
at it um the utility uh deck service is
[40:24] going to double between this year and
next year to accommodate for this new
[40:31] effort. Um, so their budget is going to
get a lot tighter than it has been. They
[40:36] can afford that based I have I can't
find my 25 audit copy, but based on what
[40:41] I saw in 23 and 24, they should be able
to afford that. So no rate increases as
[40:46] a result to be but it is going to
constrain them on potentially other
[40:52] capital when you go from 2 million to 4
million
[40:59] interest in debt retirement annual and
that's in 2027.
[41:06] » Anyone else public comment before I call
it?
[41:13] Let me get the clock.
>> Hang on just a minute. Mike turn.
[41:21] » Sorry.
>> How you doing?
[41:22] » How you doing?
>> So I just got some comments that I would
[41:25] like to
>> Mike. Tell me real quick. I'm sorry.
[41:27] Your address again.
>> What's that?
[41:29] » Address again.
>> 1510 Edinburg.
[41:35] » So I spent 49 years in Southern
California. Moved there right out of
[41:39] high school. carpenter for 40 years,
Union Carpenter. The last eight years I
[41:44] was armed security. So I saw the town
that I moved into in Southern California
[41:50] was 28,000 people in 1971. It's now
168,000 people. The town that my father
[41:58] lives in, which right next to it, is
right now it's 25,000 people.
[42:04] So I watched all
the pains, the growing pains go. Great
[42:10] administration, horrible
administrations. And some of the things
[42:14] that I saw,
I couldn't believe. One of the things
[42:17] that Norco, that's a city that that is
25,000 people. One of the things they
[42:21] did, they were going to have a growth
spur just like Centerton. So what they
[42:26] did, they put a five-year building
moratorum on only individual house and
[42:31] limited commercial. They got all their
infrastructure up which center's very
[42:37] lacking at and then after five years
they opened it up and they had very few
[42:41] growing pains. Some of the things I've
seen around here is first of all the
[42:45] roads. I don't know how you're going to
improve the buildings and that's the
[42:49] main thing around here. This place is
gridlocked already and apparently
[42:53] either you don't live here or you don't
care about traffic. I've been blocked up
[42:58] from Bliss all the way to the light at
Maine and it happens every day. Another
[43:04] thing is we have I live off of SBA and
Keller. All these subdivisions going
[43:11] along back there and to get out of
Keller to 102 is an absolute insanity.
[43:16] It needs to have light there. And I know
that's a state
[43:20] and it's a state facil state. So I've
never seen in 40 years if somebody
[43:27] applied for a variance if it had to do
with the safety of citizens that city,
[43:32] state or county united
that this thing gets rolling, you're
[43:38] going to have to do something there
because it's just going to be insane.
[43:41] Another thing I'm wondering about is
Norco is like I said 25,000 people. They
[43:46] have their own high school. My cousin
graduated from it in 72 junior high
[43:51] elementary schools. My daughter went to
Norco Elementary. She's 42 years old. So
[43:57] all we have here is Bentonville. So if
you're going to have this many people
[44:01] come in, what are you going to do? Are
you going to build your own schools
[44:04] here? Because these schools here are
already at max almost maxed out.
[44:09] Bentonville Grims. I mean, my daughter
is a nurse. She was at Grimsley for six
[44:12] months. They opened the door and they
were capacity at them. So are you going
[44:17] to build your own schools here? because
the educational system
[44:23] in Arkansas is at 47th in the country.
And so if you're just going to keep
[44:29] piling people into the the high schools,
the kids are going to suffer. That's one
[44:34] of my main concerns. And I'm out of
time. Thank you for your time.
[44:37] » Thank you, sir.
All right. Last call.
[44:43] I'm go ahead and close public comment.
Let me get the other screen here.
[44:48] All right. Well, next we're going to go
into ordinances and resolutions. But
[44:52] before we start,
I would like to make a motion to read
[44:55] all ordinances and resolutions by Ty
Holly.
[45:00] A
>> motion.
[45:00] » We have a motion. We have a second.
>> Second.
[45:03] » Second. Roll call. Sir
Thompson.
[45:07] » Yes.
>> Dustin Calgary.
[45:09] » Wendy Henson.
>> Did you say yes? Wendy.
[45:15] [clears throat]
>> Reed.
[45:16] » Yes. Joshua Hagen. Yes. And Cody Miles.
>> Yes.
[45:20] Five to one.
>> All right. All right. So, our first
[45:25] ordinance is ordinance 2026-22.
Uh we've seen this several times. Uh I'm
[45:31] bringing back uh some changes that were
requested have been made. I highlighted
[45:37] the areas we changed, but also Brian
asked me to put this one in here about
[45:41] complimentary complimentary use shall
not be available for candidate
[45:45] campaigning events, political
fundraising activities.
[45:49] Other words, they won't give it away for
free. Uh we charge that. Then also uh he
[45:55] said the mayor may deny or revoke the
approval. Brian has to change the city
[46:01] mayor. And then Justin brought up Justin
or Cliff brought up about subletting the
[46:05] room out. That's what this this uh code
is here. Instead of putting on the form,
[46:10] I just went ahead and added it to the
ordinance. Uh outside that everything
[46:14] else is the same. So any questions?
[46:22] » All right. Uh, council member
>> ordinance number 2026-22,
[46:28] an ordinance amending chapter 12.20
of the senator municipal code regarding
[46:33] the municipal facility fee schedule and
authorizing limited fee waiverss for
[46:37] community use of the community room and
for other purposes.
[46:41] » So like make a motion to suspend the
rule requiring regress on three separate
[46:45] occasions.
>> I make a motion.
[46:47] » We have a motion. We have a second.
>> Second.
[46:50] » Second by Cliff. Roll call, sir. Cliff
Thompson,
[46:54] » yes.
>> Justin Caler,
[46:55] » yes.
>> Henson,
[46:57] » recusing.
>> Josie Reed,
[46:59] » yes.
>> Joshua Hagen,
[47:01] » yes.
>> And Cody Miles,
[47:02] » yes.
>> All right. Next is ordinance 2026-29.
[47:06] This is the annexation ordinance.
>> Oh, sorry. Back. Keep me straight.
[47:12] Somebody make a motion to adopt
ordinance 2026-22.
[47:17] » We have a motion. We have a second.
>> Second. Second by Cody. Roll call, sir.
[47:24] » Cliff Thompson.
>> Yes.
[47:25] » Justin Calgary.
>> Josie Reed.
[47:28] » Yes.
>> Cody M.
[47:31] » All right.
>> Now we'll go to ordinance 2026-29.
[47:36] This is the annexation ordinance I
brought back last month.
[47:40] » Uh here's a map of the area. This is
down off of Highway 102
[47:45] and south North Calfell Cemetery Road.
The ones that are numbered are the ones
[47:49] that are
>> and and this is uh this was uh read at
[47:55] the last meeting and this uh this is the
second reading of that same ordinance.
[48:01] So any questions on this and at the end
after he reads it the second time we
[48:06] don't have to take a vote on it. We
don't take a vote till the third
[48:08] reading.
>> Any questions? Sorry if I moved on to
[48:13] this side. I'm sorry.
>> City of Sarin Ordinance number 2026-29.
[48:18] An ordinance accepting the annexation of
certain territory belonging to Brown at
[48:22] all to the city of Centerton and
assigning such to warrants and zoning
[48:27] designation. And that fulfills the
requirement for second reading. Right B?
[48:32] » Next month we'll bring it back for
approval. All right. So next is
[48:36] ordinance 2026-31.
Uh this is accepting uh warranty bonds
[48:41] and easements from Skylight Mini Storage
which is located on Greenhouse Road. All
[48:46] the bonds and easements are attached.
>> Any questions on this?
[48:53] Council
>> City of Sergeant ordinance number
[48:56] 2026-31
an ordinance accepting warranty bonds
[49:01] for public infrastructure improvements
in drainage and utility easements for
[49:05] development 22-12 skylight mini storage
on land located in the east half of the
[49:12] southwest quarter of northwest one
quarter of section 2 township 19 north
[49:17] range 31 west city of center Benton
County Arkansas also known as parcels
[49:22] 06- 00001-125
[49:27] and 06-00001-126
[49:33] for the construction, operation, and
maintenance of a public drainage in
[49:36] water and sewer systems.
Okay. So, make motion to suspend the
[49:41] rule requiring Regis on three separate
occasions.
[49:44] » So, moved.
>> We have a motion. We have a second.
[49:47] » Second.
>> Second by Josh. Roll call, sir.
[49:51] Ruth Thompson,
>> yes.
[49:53] » Justin Calgary, no.
>> Wendy Henson,
[49:56] » Josie Reed,
>> yes.
[49:58] » Joshua Hagen,
>> yes.
[49:59] » And Cody Miles,
>> yes.
[50:01] » Okay.
>> And we make a motion to adopt ordinance
[50:04] 2026-31.
[50:08] » So, we have a motion. We have second.
>> Second.
[50:12] » Second. Roll call, sir.
>> Thompson.
[50:15] » Yes.
>> Caler.
[50:18] » Yes.
>> Wendy Hansen.
[50:20] » Joy Reed. Yes.
>> Joshua Hagen.
[50:22] » Yes.
>> And Cody Miles.
[50:24] » Yes.
>> Next is ordinance 2026-32.
[50:28] This is accepting uh [clears throat]
land from the Oak Partner, Oaklanding
[50:32] Partners LLC. Uh this is the land that
located and actually I wanted to mention
[50:38] that this is uh something that Anthony
was working on uh you know for several
[50:42] months working with these folks
>> and I just wanted to acknowledge that uh
[50:46] you know in this meeting. This was
something he was really adamant about
[50:49] working with. And uh there's the land. I
had Josh kind of make me just a little
[50:53] quick map of it. So there it is. It's
right across from the Versail
[50:56] subdivision and it backs all the way up
to Christian Lane down here. And this is
[51:00] a little bit over 80 acres somehow.
>> Yes.
[51:09] » Anybody have any questions?
[51:13] » Picture is a little bit off but it's
close. Yeah, he just maybe I just has to
[51:17] throw something together for me. And we
are going to have to annex a little
[51:20] piece of this in which I'll I'll bring
back. Uh I'll start that process after
[51:24] this after we we have to record this
need, but you have to approve it first.
[51:29] » And this is the mountain bike. They're
putting the mountain bike trails in.
[51:32] » I'm not really sure what they're putting
in. Josh, you you out there somewhere? I
[51:36] I didn't know we had any plans for
anything right at the moment, but I'll
[51:39] let Josh talk about it.
Uh tatively is right now we don't have
[51:45] anything planned. Uh we looking at set
up for a grant so we can get some
[51:49] engineering designs on it. Basically all
green space is what it's going to be
[51:54] outdoor park outdoor seating trails art
soft basically all outdoor stuff.
[52:02] We need to try to get some grants so we
can
[52:06] » with the foundation.
[52:10] » Any more questions? So, Brian, this is
the contract you were working through
[52:13] last month, correct?
>> L.
[52:17] » Yeah, he was working with the last
couple months. Yes.
[52:19] » Oh, this is the uh Yeah, someone was
saying it was Walmart, but it's Oakland.
[52:23] » Oakland. Yes.
>> Yes. Okay.
[52:25] » You you are the deed there.
>> You know, my concerns and I mean, we've
[52:30] got some appealable rights in here, but
uh uh
[52:34] » number nine. Is that what you're
thinking? 9 through 11's going to
[52:38] » uh yeah, I think we add a little bit of
nine, but I mean it's it's always one of
[52:41] those I mean they're they're granting it
to us but
[52:44] » in perpetuity
we can only use it how they say we can
[52:49] use it and that's always of concern to
me.
[52:53] » Yeah. So, you know, it's h one haven't
done the other, but there is at least a
[52:57] an appeal process. But I mean, we don't
know who will be uh owning this and
[53:02] whatnot with regards to 100 years from
now. Uh what we can do, but we are
[53:06] locked in if we agree to this to to
follow
[53:11] their desires. Paul's point,
>> we had plenty of time to kind of like
[53:15] walk through that with them though, like
>> they're not going to budge. This is it.
[53:20] I mean, they're they they want a grant.
They want to make sure it's it's public
[53:23] parks or or whatnot. And it can be. I
mean, and that sounds great today, but
[53:27] we don't know a hundred years from now.
>> I thought we were talking I agree, but I
[53:32] thought we were talking month of
in a sense there's an in good faith part
[53:37] of this too. Like we're going to do our
best, but I mean there's also
[53:40] » No, I mean it's uh if we don't do our
best, you know, it's uh we can end up in
[53:45] » I get it. We're not going to fast food
chain like we're not going to do
[53:48] something crazy. But I mean
>> that's right. Well, I mean I would hate
[53:51] to the concern would be if like uh if we
have infrastructure issues with water or
[53:57] sewer and things that you know we've got
to put pipelines in or we've got to do
[54:01] certain things or we have use it for for
electricity or whatnot we will be
[54:06] absolutely prohibited from doing that.
>> Okay. So my question would be if we have
[54:10] an idea of what we want to do with it
like if we bring them along and that
[54:14] what's the herd in that? I mean, I would
hate to not get this land and
[54:18] » I mean, my job is just to let you know
the risks. You see what I'm saying? So,
[54:22] I mean, great that they're giving us
energy. Yeah. Or giving us property.
[54:25] » Can you not can you not go to them if
there's like like you talk about
[54:29] infrastructure, can you not go to them
after this is completed and and say,
[54:34] "Hey, we have this going on."
>> They they we have included in here um
[54:40] » three, right?
>> It's It's been so long since I've read
[54:43] this. I think it was uh um
>> no I I think it's paragraph the second
[54:50] page of paragraph nine that I mean we we
we can request
[54:55] modifications you know however you know
basically I mean it says the requested
[54:59] modifications that remain generally
consistent with the open space
[55:02] recreational conservation drainage and
public purpose intent of the property
[55:06] you know and it's uh uh so so ultimately
they're going to have the the ultimate
[55:11] say
>> okay Josh you've had a lot of
[55:12] conversations with these folks folks,
based on the conversations that you've
[55:15] had, any concerns from your perspective,
how do you feel about it? Like what what
[55:20] are we not thinking through here?
>> Like I said last time, I don't speak
[55:23] legally.
>> I understand, but from like the what we
[55:26] want to do with it, the vision think
like that where's that temperature in
[55:31] the room right now?
>> I think it has great access to doing
[55:33] some good stuff that could help out the
city through trails and actually
[55:37] connecting some trails from Bentonville
to Centerton. Uh we've had many meetings
[55:42] with that of how to get trails from
third street from Collier to Centerton
[55:47] and how to connect it to our trails we
have in the high school and do that and
[55:52] it's a perfect place that we can get
through there. But you have to play by
[55:57] the rules that they kind of put out.
>> Well, and and the thing is this. I think
[56:01] that their current desire is good. I
think our I think it's an awesome place
[56:06] but when an issue develops none of us
are going to be uh
[56:12] » making decisions and none of them will
either. It'll be completely different
[56:16] people. So I mean that's my job is just
to let you know of the risk so you guys
[56:21] can make a the ultimate decision.
I mean I hate to say turn down
[56:27] » like it's taken so long at this point a
special word fishing with them.
[56:32] » Agree. I think it's
>> according to the warning according to
[56:34] what you said
>> if we use this for park purposes
[56:40] we have nothing to worry about
>> correct
[56:42] » okay so the intended purpose of this
donation is for park purposes if we
[56:50] waver away from that we will need to get
in writing that they are okay with that
[56:54] otherwise we stay within that lane that
they've given us
[56:58] » like like yeah some of the parks that we
have now like uh you know the dog park
[57:02] or the
If we needed to widen the road, we could
[57:05] do that because we own it. We have the
right to do that. We could never do that
[57:09] with this.
>> Okay.
[57:12] » We would have to get permission to
widen.
[57:14] » Exactly. And they're, you know, and I we
would have to expect that they're going
[57:18] to say, "No, this was for park purposes,
not for
[57:20] » Well, it depends on what you mean
widening the road." I meant white. I
[57:23] thought you meant widening the road to
>> Well, if it's for accessibility though,
[57:27] like in number three, it covers
improvements shall be limited under
[57:31] certain use or under certain reasons
there. And accessibility is one of
[57:35] those.
>> I feel like that's a little bit in good
[57:37] faith right there. Right. Reasonably,
>> arguably again, I mean, worst case
[57:41] scenario. Again, as long as it sticks
within the parameters of being a park
[57:47] purpose,
>> keep it within the parameters of what
[57:49] they recommended, which is outdoor green
space, outdoor trails, outdoor uses.
[57:55] » Yeah. We have to widen it to make a
trail head. I'm sure they will.
[57:58] » I don't think anything that they touched
though hasn't turned into something that
[58:02] the city and surrounding cities
absolutely love. So like at this point I
[58:06] feel like we would be doing oursel and
our community a disservice by not doing
[58:11] this but we've worked on this long
enough I don't understand how we don't
[58:14] have much progress on that.
>> I would also think that they would be
[58:16] » can't get anything done without the deed
being transferable.
[58:19] » I understand that piece but I'm just
talking about like the the ideation
[58:23] whatever of what we want to do with it.
Like I understand we're not going to say
[58:26] we want four green or four wooden stakes
here like
[58:31] » four more baseball fields. But we're not
going to dump
[58:33] » I know you're going to say that. I know
you're going to say that.
[58:35] » I've said that a lot. Yeah. And
>> we're not going to dump a lot of money
[58:38] into doing engineering if we don't own
the land. There's so much you can do.
[58:45] » Then we go from there.
>> I guess my thing is I wonder if like
[58:49] this has been after something like this
has happened before
[58:53] » and it wasn't followed through on. I
mean this is a lot of land worth a lot
[58:58] of money. So I think that the protection
of the asset essentially is why they're
[59:03] doing it. Um but
I mean I think we've
[59:11] I mean the park thing can we not meet
with them like the council and them
[59:16] together? Is that an option?
>> Well, I know this uh the attorney I was
[59:20] working with was in Little Rock. So, I
guess a question I would have to council
[59:26] is what would you want to do with that
land outside of keeping it green space
[59:31] and park use and trails? What they're
chosing,
[59:34] » right?
>> I don't know that there is
[59:36] » I think that's everybody's current
intent. The question is what do we do in
[59:42] the future when none of us are here and
we have no idea what the what the needs
[59:45] are and we've got folks saying what were
these folks doing back in 2026 when they
[59:51] agreed to you know in real estate though
those stipulations
[59:55] » they say that about our downtown now
right
[1:00:00] » is an opportunity to preserve 80 green
space within our community
[1:00:05] » restrictions are listed in the deed and
this is the actual deed
[1:00:10] restrictions are there.
>> The motion we pass it as as is.
[1:00:15] » Yeah. I'll second there. Second there's
a section of land in Rogers that's on
[1:00:19] prime commercial property that is a
designated prairie forever.
[1:00:24] » Yeah.
>> And it's just because the family
[1:00:26] designated that as Sl Prairie and will
stay a prairie
[1:00:31] » now till the end of time, you know. So
there are things around here like that
[1:00:34] where people want to preserve green
space and natural things. So I think
[1:00:40] it's
>> it the intent is good. You know
[1:00:44] » I think the benefit to the community
outweigh any potential risk down the
[1:00:47] road.
>> I think it if we pass it, you know
[1:00:51] what's who's to say we can't bring them
along as that happens? I think that's a
[1:00:55] pretty cool as well which a good thing
to keep them along and do
[1:01:00] » perfect example is look at 8 street.
made by foundation. Look what they did
[1:01:04] that with our pass and all that.
>> Don't We have a motion on the table. We
[1:01:07] probably need
>> secondbody's motion. Somebody made a
[1:01:11] motion. Josh made a second.
>> You're getting ahead here. We got to
[1:01:14] read it first and then suspend the rule.
>> But but also I want to say when me and
[1:01:20] Anthony talked about all this and I
think he talked to Josh too.
[1:01:22] » Thank you Josh.
>> We have some opportunities. You were
[1:01:26] talking about grants. We have
opportunities through the foundation to
[1:01:29] get those grants you know to help us
with that. I think they have the same
[1:01:32] vision we have. So,
>> well, there's a lot of access to good
[1:01:35] grants here locally. So,
>> yeah. So,
[1:01:39] all right. So, any more questions before
he reads it by title?
[1:01:45] » That was a good question though. I
appreciate that, Council.
[1:01:48] » Okay. Ordinance number 2026-32,
an ordinance accepting the conveyance of
[1:01:54] certain real property from Oakland LLC
to the city of Centeron, Arkansas,
[1:01:59] authorizing the acceptance and recording
of a quick claim deed, establishing the
[1:02:03] purpose and use of the property,
authorizing the mayor and city clerk to
[1:02:07] execute necessary documents and for
other purposes. Some would like make a
[1:02:11] motion to suspend the rule required read
on three separate occasions. So,
[1:02:16] » we have a motion. We have a second.
Second.
[1:02:18] » Have a second. Roll call, sir.
>> Thompson.
[1:02:22] » Yes. Justin Calgary.
>> This is on three separate occasions.
[1:02:26] » No.
>> Wendy Henson.
[1:02:30] » I'm gonna say no as well.
[clears throat]
[1:02:33] » Reed.
>> Yes.
[1:02:35] » Joshua Hagen.
>> Yes.
[1:02:37] » And Cody Miles.
>> Yes.
[1:02:39] » Now, somebody make a motion to adopt
ordinance 2026 32. Here we are. Justin,
[1:02:44] » make a motion.
>> Second.
[1:02:46] » Motion. had a quick second.
>> Roll call, sir.
[1:02:50] » Thompson,
>> yes.
[1:02:52] » Johnson Calgary,
>> yes.
[1:02:54] » Wendy Henson,
>> yes.
[1:02:55] » Jesse Reed,
>> yes.
[1:02:56] » Joshua Hagen,
>> yes.
[1:02:57] » And Cody Miles,
>> yes.
[1:03:00] » All right. This ordinance is ordinance
2026-33.
[1:03:05] This is accepted a general utility
easement dedication from Ralph Coleman
[1:03:08] Homes uh for property located on the
corner of Bliss and Counter.
[1:03:15] Any
questions?
[1:03:21] » City of Center. Somebody have questions.
[1:03:27] » Lost. Sorry. We're good.
>> You're good. Okay. Go ahead. Council.
[1:03:31] » City of Saratan ordinance number 2026-3.
[1:03:35] An ordinance accepting a general utility
easement dedication from Ross Coleman
[1:03:40] Homes for property located in part of
the southwest quarter of the northwest
[1:03:43] quarter of section 32 township 20 north
range 31 west city of centeron Benton
[1:03:48] County Arkansas
make a motion to suspend a rule
[1:03:52] requiring three separate occasions
ordinance 20263.
[1:03:57] » I'll make a motion. You
>> have a motion. We have a second.
[1:04:00] » Second.
>> Second. Roll call. Sir
[1:04:04] Thompson. Yes.
>> Justin Calgary.
[1:04:06] » No.
>> Lindy Henson.
[1:04:08] » Desie Reed.
>> Yes.
[1:04:10] » Joshua Hagen.
>> Yes.
[1:04:11] » And Cody Miles. Yes.
>> All right. That's it for ordinances.
[1:04:17] » Oh, wait.
[1:04:21] » I'd like to make a motion to adopt
ordinance 2026-33.
[1:04:26] » We have a motion. We have a second.
>> Second.
[1:04:29] » All right. Now, roll call. Sorry. Todd
>> Thompson.
[1:04:32] » Yes.
>> Dustin Calgary. Yes.
[1:04:34] » Andy Hson,
>> yes.
[1:04:35] » Jesse Reid,
>> yes.
[1:04:37] » Joshua Hagen,
>> yes.
[1:04:38] » And Cody Miles,
>> yes.
[1:04:41] » Next is or resolution 2026-27.
This is a resolution that was brought to
[1:04:47] me by the utility commission. Uh, and
they just wanted uh authorization for me
[1:04:54] and the utility director to be able to
execute certain documents for A and RC
[1:05:01] commission. uh different things. That's
all there is to that. There's something
[1:05:07] actually Malcolm brought to me. So, any
questions?
[1:05:11] » And Malcolm, I don't think he's here.
[1:05:17] » Okay. All right. No questions. Council
>> City of San Arkansas resolution 2026-27
[1:05:25] resolution designated to authorize the
mayor and manager of the utility system
[1:05:29] of the city of Son Arkansas to execute
documents in connection with funding
[1:05:34] administrated by the Arkansas Natural
Resources Commission.
[1:05:38] » I'm going to make motion to adopt
resolution 2026-27.
[1:05:46] Second
>> Cody and coinated.
[1:05:52] » Yes.
>> Roll call, sir.
[1:05:53] » Thompson.
>> Yes.
[1:05:55] » Calgary.
>> Yes.
[1:05:56] » Wendy Henson.
>> Yes.
[1:05:58] » Reed.
>> Yes. [laughter]
[1:06:00] » Yes.
>> And Miles.
[1:06:02] » Yes.
>> Takes five.
[1:06:04] » Next is resolution 2026-28.
Uh this is adopted the center to
[1:06:10] downtown master plan which includes a
land use plan, master street plan and
[1:06:14] master trails plan. There was a public
hearing at the last planning commission
[1:06:20] meeting on September 1st. There was uh a
couple comments we received after that.
[1:06:27] One was an email I sent you uh they were
just concerned with maintaining green
[1:06:31] space. I sent to all of you. The other
one was one I received today which I
[1:06:36] thought was a Bentonville resident but
looked like they lived at Bentonville
[1:06:38] one time but they had some concerns too
comparing it to the Bentonville square.
[1:06:43] And then also uh had a resident reach
out to me uh uh on Allen Road Maggie.
[1:06:50] » Yeah, she did speak in the public
comment section. She just had some
[1:06:53] concerns. Uh her [clears throat] main
concern with me was are they going to
[1:06:57] just come in and put this trail in? I
told her, "No, if there's all the land
[1:07:02] and then they developed it, uh, then
that they would look at it at that time,
[1:07:06] but they're not just gonna come in and
put a trail in there." That that was her
[1:07:09] main concern with it. I I told her I
would acknowledge that here tonight when
[1:07:13] she called me or talked to me yesterday.
So,
[1:07:16] » add to that, Bill.
>> Yes, of course. She did contact me also.
[1:07:20] Um, her concerns were, as you said, if
um the trail being drawn there, she
[1:07:25] feels like that's a a given that that
trail is going to be built there. I
[1:07:30] tried to alleviate her fears that it
would be if she ever transferred that
[1:07:33] land to somebody else. But she also has
some concerns. She has some ideas about
[1:07:38] developing that land herself. And she's
in fear that if she wants to reszone her
[1:07:43] land and do something different, he
would then be
[1:07:48] required to build that trail. Um I I
told her that this is just the plan for
[1:07:54] the future. But I think if if we look at
and I I don't think we can remove that
[1:08:00] from the plan, but extension code and
the acquisition of this property we just
[1:08:06] received, I think there's some more
sensible ways to make that connection
[1:08:09] without necessarily crossing her
property and some of the other
[1:08:14] properties along there that would have
to beed.
[1:08:18] But anyway, that's neither here nor
there. That's down the road. But I I
[1:08:23] told her that I would also voice those
concerns that she had if she opts to to
[1:08:29] reszone and develop her own land in a
different format because it's
[1:08:32] agricultural now. That would be forced
to to bifurcate her property and put a
[1:08:40] trail and that's not what she would like
to see. So
[1:08:43] » I I did connect her with with Juliet
last week as well. Um, and y'all talked
[1:08:48] at LinkedIn, so I don't know if there's
just fear in general. Um,
[1:08:53] » because I don't I mean, I think you made
it pretty clear that that's not
[1:08:57] » a possibility because we talked about an
ADU as well. Um, and because she talked
[1:09:03] about possibly having her kids
on the property and then I think you
[1:09:09] addressed that that if you have an ADU
then you wouldn't have to worry about
[1:09:12] the additional zoning because of the
state law. So, I think we can
[1:09:19] she's good. I don't know what she's
>> Yeah, I just wanted to bring that up and
[1:09:22] then acknowledge the emails that we did
receive. And I think TJ wanted to say
[1:09:26] just a couple words before. Oh, you
don't want to say a couple words. He's
[1:09:29] here and so and they're all here.
>> You have any additional questions? They
[1:09:35] are here. So, and then you heard public
comment from uh one of the participants
[1:09:41] in there too. Has anybody got any
questions?
[1:09:45] I did watch the whole thing though
there.
[1:09:47] » Yes.
>> I think I saw you on there when I
[1:09:50] » I was on there.
>> Good. And it's still out there if
[1:09:53] anybody wants to watch it. It's the
presentation's on YouTube.
[1:09:56] » I'd say thank you for the work that was
put in and thank you to
[1:10:00] » the land owners are willing to partner
with the city to help us move forward.
[1:10:04] That's it's amazing. It's a huge
investment of your property, your
[1:10:08] legacy. So, all right. Nice.
>> All right. Any more questions?
[1:10:15] Council
>> City of Center resolution number 2026-28
[1:10:21] a resolution adopting the Center
downtown master plan including land use
[1:10:25] plan, master street plan and master
trails plan for downtown for the
[1:10:28] downtown area pursuant to Arkansas code
annotated sections 1456414
[1:10:34] and 1456422.
[1:10:37] I'm going to make a motion to adopt
resolution 2026-28.
[1:10:43] » We have a motion. We have a second.
>> Second.
[1:10:47] » Cliff or Wendy? I heard them both.
>> Take your pick.
[1:10:51] » I heard Cliff first, but
>> I like ladies first. I'm taking Wendy.
[1:10:55] » Taking Wendy. All right. Well, when
you're done taking it, go ahead and do
[1:10:58] the roll call, sir.
>> Cliff Thompson.
[1:11:01] » Yes.
>> Justin Calgary.
[1:11:03] » Yes.
>> Wendy Henson?
[1:11:04] » Yes.
>> Jesse Reid?
[1:11:05] » Yes.
>> Joshua Hagen? Yes.
[1:11:07] » And Cody Miles.
>> Yes.
[1:11:09] » Lorraine, you can breathe now.
>> And Juliet.
[1:11:13] » Yes. And Juliet, thank you so much for
getting this updated in such a short
[1:11:16] time. Appreciate that.
>> And just for just for record, this this
[1:11:20] update Juliet tells me will also be on
our website soon. She updated it. So
[1:11:25] » she says there now. So, and it's in your
Dropbox, the most updated one.
[1:11:30] » All right. Next is resolution 2026-29.
Uh, this is purchasing a truck, correct?
[1:11:38] » Josh, where you at? Tell me what I'm
buying.
[1:11:43] » I think we're buying a tandem axle truck
with a snow and ice equipment
[1:11:47] basically. I think we actually that was
this last year.
[1:11:51] » Yeah, this is a uh
brake liner. Only we could find. It's a
[1:11:57] dump truck, 10-wheeler, plow ready.
We budgeted for it last year, ordered it
[1:12:03] last year and we're still waiting. Truck
sits there sitting there. Everything's
[1:12:07] there and ready to go. They're just
waiting on the bed to be built. Uh they
[1:12:10] were doing it along with OD do so. So
they're trying to build them at the same
[1:12:13] time
into our fleet because we're getting
[1:12:17] truck for multi-purpose.
[1:12:21] » And this this book about street fund,
this money was budgeted in last year's
[1:12:26] bud or this year's budget.
So, the funds are there. Any questions?
[1:12:32] » And we did fix the document that you
asked. I sent it to you.
[1:12:35] » Okay.
>> All right.
[1:12:39] Or go ahead. Resolution number 2026-29,
a resolution authorizing the city of
[1:12:45] Center, Arkansas to purchase a tandem
axle truck with snow and ice equipment
[1:12:50] from Industrial Truck Equipment and
Wland Incorporated of Oklahoma City,
[1:12:54] Oklahoma through the Source Cooperative
Purchasing Agreement contract number
[1:12:58] 06222
VCM
[1:13:02] authorized an expenditure not to exceed
$241,000
[1:13:07] confirming the purchase uh is a budgeted
item and for other purposes.
[1:13:12] » Someone would like to make a motion to
adopt resolution 2026-9.
[1:13:17] » So moved.
>> We have a motion. We have a second.
[1:13:19] » Second.
>> Second by Cliff. Roll call.
[1:13:22] » Thompson.
>> Yes.
[1:13:24] » Calgary.
>> Yes.
[1:13:25] » Simpson.
>> Yes.
[1:13:26] » Josie Reed.
>> Yes.
[1:13:27] » Joshua Hagen.
>> Yes.
[1:13:29] » Yes.
>> All right. This last resolution is
[1:13:32] resolution 2026-30.
I'll have Alan up here. Uh but basically
[1:13:38] what this is is we are now ready to
start executing some easements on
[1:13:43] greenhouse road. Uh we we've have them
now we have to start paying for them.
[1:13:48] » However, I have a $35,000 spending limit
by ordinance.
[1:13:52] » Probably won't get too far down
greenhouse won't get me far. Some of
[1:13:55] these are over 35,000 and actually
there's 41 different properties. Some
[1:14:00] are pretty low. Uh by now the easements
we get 80% of it back. So,
[1:14:05] [clears throat] we'll we'll be out 20%
of the cost of this because we have a
[1:14:08] grant for the other 80%. Is Alan, you
want to add anything?
[1:14:12] » Uh, we've had appraisals done and off of
these and talking to all the residents
[1:14:18] at least a little bit. We have a
probably 85% of the ones we're looking
[1:14:21] at are done and approved. Homeowners
signed them. We haven't sent anything
[1:14:25] out yet because we were waiting to get
to finalized plans. Um they're waiting
[1:14:30] on Black Hills Energy and Aerrol
Electric Line realignments, but this
[1:14:34] point um we have an agreement with
Bentonville proceed with cost for the
[1:14:39] construction going through everything
that we want to go ahead and start
[1:14:42] paying some of these and acquiring the
land now. It's not delayed to get those
[1:14:46] out. And like you said, this is a grant
project. So we'll send out the full cost
[1:14:51] our fund and then we'll request 80%.
We'll get that back from ART.
[1:14:57] And also you will see all the easements
that we get right away because we have
[1:15:02] to accept them. So you will get to see
those and put the blessing on them
[1:15:09] all the cost. So but I was just covered
more for my spending authority.
[1:15:14] Any more questions?
>> We have any idea what it's going to
[1:15:18] cost?
>> He can tell you. Yeah. Is that number?
[1:15:23] Um
>> a million dollars and then we'll get
[1:15:25] 800,000 back.
[1:15:31] Thank you.
>> More. That's a good question.
[1:15:36] » Hey, councelor.
>> Resolution number 2026-30,
[1:15:40] a resolution authorizing the mayor of
the city of Senates in Arkansas to
[1:15:45] purchase right ofway and easements for
the greenhouse road project authorized
[1:15:50] expenditures in excess of the mayor's
$35,000 spending authority and for other
[1:15:55] purposes. Someone would like to make a
motion to adopt resolution 2026-30.
[1:16:01] » We have a motion by Wendy. We have a
second.
[1:16:04] » Second.
>> Second by Josie.
[1:16:06] » Roll call, sir.
>> Cody Miles,
[1:16:09] » yes.
>> Joshua Hagen,
[1:16:11] » yes.
>> Josie Reed,
[1:16:13] » yes.
>> Wendy Henson,
[1:16:14] » yes.
>> Mr. Calgary, yes. And Cliff Thompson,
[1:16:17] » yes.
>> All right, that takes care of those.
[1:16:21] Next is approve or adopting or
confirming the adopted bylaws by the
[1:16:27] planning commission which say approved
on 818 and 26. Uh the basic changes to
[1:16:32] this it's just lining up with the code
we just passed with the require one of
[1:16:37] these to match the code. So that that's
basically all it is. It just lines up
[1:16:41] with that. Any questions?
Someone would like to make a motion to
[1:16:47] uh approve the bylaws as presented by
the planning commission.
[1:16:54] » We have a motion. Second,
>> second by Wendy.
[1:16:57] » All in favor?
>> Any opposed? All right. Next is a change
[1:17:02] order. Uh this is a cover we put in over
on uh
[1:17:07] » Perry Drive and uh we had a What caused
the change order, Alan? Since you're
[1:17:12] already walking up this way, tell us
what caused it. I'll say if I need to
[1:17:15] talk.
>> Yeah, go ahead and talk. It's $6,100. I
[1:17:18] I know that.
>> Um what it was when we started putting
[1:17:21] the uh box in, there is a house lead
with a sanitary sewer and a sanitary
[1:17:25] main in the area. We were doing mortar.
So we had to extend the concrete bottom
[1:17:31] of the the uh ditch line to cover that
line. Uh was originally proposed to stop
[1:17:37] before the sanitary sewer. And with
that, we talked with the sewer
[1:17:42] department. Not sure we had the cover.
pushed it way past to protect that sewer
[1:17:46] line. So in case there's any kind of
erosion in the future, that sewer line's
[1:17:48] protected as well as to protect
the end of their building. So
[1:17:57] » this up to Cass Park, is that right?
I've been seeing it. Yeah. See it kind
[1:18:01] of
>> questions.
[1:18:05] Someone like make a motion to approve
the Jack Perry Covert Replacement Ch
[1:18:10] number two.
>> I move.
[1:18:12] » We have a motion. Do we have a second?
>> Second.
[1:18:15] » Second. All in favor?
>> I.
[1:18:18] » Anyone opposed? All right. Next, I'm
going to bring Shannon up real quick.
[1:18:22] Uh, discuss a policy. And we, just for
the record, we've had no no issues with
[1:18:26] this at all. We just She'll tell you why
we did this, though. she has it.
[1:18:32] You will let us know.
[1:18:36] » Uh so the reason we're doing this is
that um I was at the Arkansas Government
[1:18:40] Finance Officers Association meeting and
they're saying that every city should
[1:18:45] have a fraud, waste, and abuse
prevention policy in place just because
[1:18:49] of certain things that have happened in
many cities including ours. So what the
[1:18:54] purpose of this is just to protect um
our public resources by preventing,
[1:18:58] detecting, addressing fraud, waste,
abuse, theft and unethical or illegal
[1:19:03] activities within the city. Um it
applies to all elected officials,
[1:19:08] employees, volunteers, contractors,
consultants, and anyone conducting
[1:19:11] business on behalf of the city.
Um basically in it, it gives a
[1:19:16] definition of what fraud, waste, and
abuse is. It lets you know the
[1:19:20] responsibility as employees on how to
conduct yourself as a city employee. Um
[1:19:26] how to be honest and ethical. Also it
talks about how um department directors
[1:19:32] how they can maintain their own internal
controls and with the finance department
[1:19:37] how I can maintain financial controls
such as bank reconciliations
[1:19:42] um review periodic reviews also having
legislative audit um and then it also
[1:19:48] gives instructions on how to report if
you suspect there's any fraud going on
[1:19:52] in any of your departments it tells you
who to contact your immediate supervisor
[1:19:57] department director finance director,
mayor, city attorney. Um, it also lets
[1:20:01] you know that there is predict uh
protection against retaliation
[1:20:06] and it reviews with you how the
investigation that will be ongoing and
[1:20:10] any corrective actions that are needed
which can be disciplinary actions up to
[1:20:15] including termination, restitution,
civil action, criminal prosecution or
[1:20:20] referral to state and federal
authorities. Um and then also it talks
[1:20:25] about internal controls such as in my
department we have segregation of
[1:20:29] duties. You don't want too many people
doing the same job. Um approval
[1:20:34] hierarchies which we do have bank
reconciliations, inventory controls and
[1:20:39] u annual financial audits. And then it
just go it just says that um this will
[1:20:45] be reviewed every year and changes will
be made and brought to you guys
[1:20:48] accordingly.
>> Very good. Do you guys have any
[1:20:52] questions in regards to this?
>> I have a question for you.
[1:20:55] » Sure.
>> After this,
[1:20:58] » we can finish this, but I have a
question before you leave.
[1:21:01] » I'm just curious speaking to Andrew Sa's
concerns. I think we probably have some
[1:21:06] checks and balances in place regarding
billing and paying.
[1:21:10] » Can you speak to that a little bit so we
understand that current process? as far
[1:21:14] as like a
>> far as if the city attorney provides
[1:21:18] bills, they're not just received by the
mayor and paid, right? There's checks
[1:21:22] and balances.
>> Checks and balances. We do review them.
[1:21:25] Um, as far as his goes, he does give he
does explain exactly what he's doing,
[1:21:31] how much time is spent, how it's charged
out, things like that. It is reviewed by
[1:21:35] the mayor, by myself. It's sent to
payables for payments. If there's
[1:21:39] anything that doesn't look right, we
question things. All of the bills that
[1:21:43] we pay are reviewed by the mayor, by
myself, by department heads, and signed
[1:21:48] off.
>> I just wanted to make that clear because
[1:21:51] » and everything gets seen by
>> exception was it was one elected
[1:21:53] official sending a bill to another
elected official that was just being
[1:21:56] paid.
>> A lot of steps before it's actually
[1:21:59] paid.
>> Thank you.
[1:22:00] » And everything is also reviewed by
legislative audit and anything that is
[1:22:05] as they feel out of the ordinary is
brought to our attention. So, so far it
[1:22:09] has not been
>> Thank you.
[1:22:12] » Any more questions on this policy for
>> um the protection against retaliation? I
[1:22:17] understand the heart behind that and I
agree behind it. The one thing that I'm
[1:22:22] looking at though is this is a big deal.
I mean if you you make an accusation
[1:22:26] that somebody is stealing basically
uh the person who has been accused
[1:22:34] here the way this looks as though I
don't know I feel like there should be
[1:22:39] some kind of and perhaps there's not but
some kind of protection for that person
[1:22:43] as well because that is if it's proven
false I mean it's hard to gain that
[1:22:48] integrity back among some people so
perhaps there needs to be something
[1:22:52] included to protect
the accused as well until proven.
[1:22:58] » We can add something for that.
[1:23:02] » We want to wait.
>> Does that need to be
[1:23:04] » You want to table it and then bring it
back next month?
[1:23:06] » We can do that.
>> We'll bring it back next month.
[1:23:10] » Speak with HR in regards to it.
>> Jos's here to
[1:23:17] » Right. He's asking a question. She's on
the Zoom. I'm sorry.
[1:23:20] » Well, okay. I was looking for it.
She's on Zoom. I don't know if she What
[1:23:25] was the question? Because I was looking.
>> So the question from Josh was, you know,
[1:23:30] the retaliatory and that topic in
general, the sensitivity behind it. Is
[1:23:34] there if we wanted to update some
wording in that, do we just need to
[1:23:37] bring that back next month versus
passing it?
[1:23:41] » You could I mean I quite frankly I think
you could prove it today and then you
[1:23:45] could, you know, amend it next month or
you could wait till next month. You
[1:23:49] know, I I kind of like the fact that we
we're getting something in in place
[1:23:53] today. I don't have any
>> an update
[1:23:57] » with just just adding later.
[1:24:02] » You want you want to go ahead and
approve it and have her bring back
[1:24:05] » amendment. Yeah.
>> Is that with council or
[1:24:08] » I mean Josh is that are you making a
motion on that or you
[1:24:11] » I mean I would I brand new. We've never
had it done. Why not?
[1:24:16] So in it, it does say knowingly making
false allegations result in disciplinary
[1:24:20] action.
>> Yeah. Well, the person that makes the
[1:24:22] accusation is not knowingly
being
[1:24:28] blaming the person's character. They're
they're thinking that they did involve
[1:24:33] in stealing, you know, whatever. Then it
comes out that it was actually false.
[1:24:37] Well, if somebody says that about Joe
over here and his five co-workers all
[1:24:42] know that was out there and they all
believe it, but then it's proven false.
[1:24:47] The person who made the accusation
wasn't intending to do Joe any harm, but
[1:24:51] yet in the end, Joe was harmed. So
perhaps there's some something there
[1:24:54] where it's kept
>> it's kept I don't I don't call it under
[1:24:58] wraps, but whatever needs to be
happening confidential until it, you
[1:25:02] know, until it's proven and at that
point it is what it is. But that way Joe
[1:25:08] does not have to deal with the
repercussion of his co-workers even
[1:25:12] during the process because that can be a
that can be an emotional
[1:25:17] » pain as well.
>> I'll just join [clears throat]
[1:25:20] » on that Josh. So um
thinking through thinking through that
[1:25:26] whole process you know if if we're
working together and I think well that's
[1:25:30] kind of weird. Why did Josh do that? If
there's repercussions, if I'm wrong,
[1:25:36] that's going to prevent me from
>> Well, I say that's a repution there. But
[1:25:41] I mean, I think you have to be careful
about, you know, if the investigation
[1:25:44] happens and it's proven that you weren't
doing anything wrong, then should I be
[1:25:48] punished because from what I saw it, I
was perceiving that as wrong. So, I
[1:25:53] think you can you can kind of
>> You're hearing me wrong.
[1:25:56] » I'm I'm understanding what
>> Yeah, you're hearing me wrong. I'm I'm
[1:25:58] not saying that there something goes
back on that person. I'm saying the
[1:26:01] accused needs protection as well.
>> So I would think that there would be an
[1:26:05] SOP for that.
>> Well, the accused the the accused
[1:26:08] wouldn't be publicized. I mean it should
be kept confidential.
[1:26:12] » H3 has the reporting structure of who
would be notified or involved
[1:26:18] » that
immediate supervisor department director
[1:26:21] finance director mayor.
>> Okay. Then it just needs to be
[1:26:24] » Yeah. I mean
>> confidential
[1:26:26] » it's being shared with other other
employees then we've got bigger issues.
[1:26:31] » It does say reports may be made
confidentially to the extent followed by
[1:26:35] law.
>> I was right above it and I missed that
[1:26:38] and that happens. So
>> you're good the way it is.
[1:26:41] » Why? Hey, I had a question
>> and it gets fleshed out. I would much
[1:26:45] rather ask my question and then fleshed
out. So yeah,
[1:26:47] » you're good the way it's written then.
[1:26:51] » Josh, I'm I'm ready.
I'll just No, no, I just want to make
[1:26:55] sure you're good. Sorry.
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah, as long as it's kept
[1:26:59] confidential and it says that in there,
that just some protection to the per to
[1:27:03] the accused.
>> Yes.
[1:27:08] » Good job, Shan.
>> Thanks.
[1:27:09] » Thank you.
>> You do want to move forward with them.
[1:27:12] » Somebody make a motion to adopt the city
fraud, waste, and abuse prevention
[1:27:16] policy. So, move to.
>> We have a motion by mo by Wendy. We have
[1:27:20] a second. Second.
I'm gonna let you pick it. I heard Cliff
[1:27:24] and I heard Cliff.
>> I give it to J. You know who?
[1:27:28] » Make up your mind. You got it though for
the minutes, right?
[1:27:32] » All in favor?
Anyone?
[1:27:38] » Anything? Not approved. Okay. All right.
Next is a proposal for Little Free
[1:27:45] Library at Cornerwood Park.
>> I think uh Yeah, here she comes. She has
[1:27:51] » she met with Josh. Josh was okay with
it,
[1:27:54] » but my ordinance that we approved uh
they now have to be approved by the city
[1:27:59] council. So
anyway, go ahead and introduce yourself
[1:28:02] and tell us what you want to do.
>> Hi, I'm Ally Strader and I'm at 14:30
[1:28:07] Ocean Drive. Um I would like to put a
little free library at Cornerwoods Park.
[1:28:13] Um, it's right off of a little trail
that we already have and we have a lot
[1:28:18] of kids that are hanging out at that
park and there's actually a spot there
[1:28:21] from where the little free pantry was
that we could install it. So, we would
[1:28:24] like to have a community service
initiative. I'm representing myself and
[1:28:28] a friend of mine. She's not able to come
tonight, but we would like to steward
[1:28:32] the Little Free Library, which is
through the national nonprofit. So, all
[1:28:37] of the resources, tools, and everything
for stewardship would fall on us. It
[1:28:41] would not require anything from the
city. And we're go wanting to promote
[1:28:46] early literacy, access to books, um for
maybe kids that can't get to the library
[1:28:50] or things like that. Whenever I spoke
with Josh, one of the things that came
[1:28:54] up was that there were some issues with
the pantry and that it had to be
[1:28:58] removed. And so we are going to take on
the burden of checking on the little
[1:29:02] free life twice a week. Um if one of us
is unavailable, we will have a proxy
[1:29:07] come in and check on it for us. not only
ensuring that there's no vandalism, but
[1:29:11] making sure that the content in the
library is appropriate for children,
[1:29:16] that nothing has been added. We will
make sure that there is contact
[1:29:19] information on the library itself so
that if a parent does see something,
[1:29:23] they can report it to us. I live pretty
much across the street, so I would be
[1:29:27] able to walk over and handle it pretty
immediately. Um and then also the little
[1:29:32] free library has charter numbers that
they would be able to also make sure
[1:29:37] that the national organization is aware
library as well. So the checks and
[1:29:42] balances would not fall on us as just
two individuals. Um, also making sure
[1:29:47] that
if there is anything that's done, you
[1:29:51] know, if there are books that are
damaged and or if you know, something
[1:29:54] happens that affects the park, we would
take the responsibility to come by and
[1:29:58] make sure that that gets cleaned up. The
only thing that we would need from the
[1:30:03] city is just making sure that we can
install it. Um I personally am not very
[1:30:08] handy but we can make sure that it is
created to fit those existing ground
[1:30:13] screws and so it doesn't require any
additional you know resources or um any
[1:30:19] materials or anything like that. It
should be able to go in in the existing
[1:30:22] space.
[1:30:26] » Okay. Anybody got any questions?
[1:30:31] » Josh, you're good too, right? Yeah. I
know you met with her.
[1:30:36] » Good job. Thank you.
>> Somebody make motion to approve this
[1:30:38] little free library at Cornerwoods Park.
>> Let me Bonnie be just be advocate for a
[1:30:44] second. Um
>> do that. [laughter]
[1:30:49] » Well, no. I mean, I I I just I I think
if if we're going to approve it, we just
[1:30:54] perhaps do some sort of contractual
agreement that way. if for some reason
[1:31:00] you relocate or something, god forbid,
happens to you or whatnot, that that we
[1:31:05] we have the means to to be able to to to
deal with it if if necessary. So that if
[1:31:10] if it continues be vandalized, it's not
being taken care of, the city has a a a
[1:31:15] right and a any a means to remove it or
or whatnot. I don't object. I think it's
[1:31:20] a great idea. I just need to uh to cover
the municipality.
[1:31:25] » Yes. So we actually already have those
contingencies. So if something were to
[1:31:29] happen to me, there is an additional
person who her name is in the proposal.
[1:31:33] She's also a Citton resident named Stacy
Lee. She is the person that would come
[1:31:37] in. And then also if I were to relocate,
I have the ability to transfer that
[1:31:42] charter to somewhere else because it's
required by Little Free uh libraries
[1:31:46] nonprofit organization that all Little
Free Libraries that are official have a
[1:31:52] dedic dedicated steward within a certain
radius. So if I relocate, I have to let
[1:31:57] them know that I've relocated and either
pull the library or transfer the charter
[1:32:01] to someone.
>> They do you think they may have some
[1:32:03] sort of model agreement then that
potentially we can utilize?
[1:32:06] » They might um they do have an entire
like an entire portal just for library
[1:32:10] charters. So, I would have to look into
that a little bit more, but
[1:32:14] » because my position would be I'm I'm
fine with the council uh uh
[1:32:19] voting in in the positive for this, but
I think it'd be contentioned on just
[1:32:23] some sort of agreement that way we have
something uh just in case
[1:32:29] worst case scenario business. Sorry.
>> No, that's I mean those are things that
[1:32:33] need to be considered. You know, I I get
the push back because Josh told me a
[1:32:38] little bit what happened with the
pantry, and I definitely don't want to
[1:32:40] create one of those situations. So,
anything considered, I'm more than open
[1:32:45] to suggestions on that.
[1:32:49] » Let me rephrase that. Would somebody
make motion to approve the Little Free
[1:32:54] Library
with an agreement uh either drawn up by
[1:32:58] Brian or them, and we can review it
before you install it?
[1:33:03] » I I think that would be fine. I would
ask you check and see if they've got
[1:33:06] something because they may have been
there done that and we can use that as a
[1:33:10] model. If not, if you draft with me
drafting something just
[1:33:14] » we'll get something short just contact
one of the
[1:33:18] » Okay, Justin made the motion.
>> Second.
[1:33:22] » Second by here Cody.
>> Okay, Cody Ms. All in favor.
[1:33:26] » Any opposed?
>> All right. Thank you.
[1:33:29] » Pretty cool.
>> Thank you so much.
[1:33:31] » [clears throat]
>> is Chief Harper. I see you back there.
[1:33:42] » So, Cody has wrote you me a a memo about
a possible rank structure. So, he's
[1:33:49] going to explain that. Then he has some
other business he wants to bring up too
[1:33:51] after this.
>> The request doesn't change our headcount
[1:33:55] and it doesn't cost any money for the
city.
[1:33:58] » I'll say reduce by 52,000. I was
wondering if you
[1:34:01] » So when I looked at the overall our
current staffing and our current wages,
[1:34:04] I'm actually going to be under $52,000
under
[1:34:07] » Oh, got it. Got it. Got it.
>> For 2026.
[1:34:10] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:34:10] » So, even with this change that figured
into there, I'm still going to be under
[1:34:14] by 52,000.
>> Got it.
[1:34:17] » Um the request is just to change our um
our rank structure a little bit within
[1:34:20] the department. Uh for a long time,
we've always ran really low on our
[1:34:24] leadership. Uh just to kind of build up
our patrol numbers. We got our patrol
[1:34:29] numbers built up. Now we're back filling
into our leadership to make sure that
[1:34:32] we're just our headcount per leader is
accurate. The task for that that leader
[1:34:37] is also at a level which is um you know
everyday task can can be done.
[1:34:46] » Your ask is this change a one position
to a lieutenant?
[1:34:49] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[1:34:50] » So are are you currently a full staff or
is that how we're drawing the 52,000
[1:34:55] because we have an opening?
>> No. So, I mean, we're we're not
[1:34:58] currently at full staff. I have
reopenings, but those openings are
[1:35:01] always kind of on a on a rolling basis,
just like with anybody else.
[1:35:05] » Is there is there
immediate need or is it something that
[1:35:09] could wait till 27 where it could be
budgeted for 27 so that if you're full
[1:35:15] staff, there will be an additional
impact. Right.
[1:35:18] » The need is here now. I mean, if I have
the finances to do it, I would I would
[1:35:22] recommend doing it now.
[1:35:29] question.
>> I'm just curious about, you know, if
[1:35:31] we're using
I'm not trying to be a pain, but if
[1:35:36] we're using funds that are allocated for
a position that we currently have that
[1:35:40] we're not feeling. So that 52,000 what
that can what that takes into
[1:35:44] consideration is if I was at fully staff
that $52,000 is the people who are no
[1:35:50] longer here what the current salaries
are and the current headcount overall.
[1:35:55] » So that's where my $52,000 in savings
comes from.
[1:35:59] » You understand that? But you still have
a position there that's not filled,
[1:36:02] right? That's what I did is I took those
numbers and for the rest of the year I
[1:36:08] have put that amount in there for every
one of those replacements for those
[1:36:11] patrol officers to give me an overall
number for the whole year if I was fully
[1:36:16] staffed today. So how many positions do
you have to be fully staffed?
[1:36:22] » You have three openings right now.
>> Correct.
[1:36:24] » You're drawing from that money. So
that's actually that's budgeted, right?
[1:36:28] So if you if we make this change and
then you go out and you fill those three
[1:36:32] positions, then we've actually had an
increase. You see what I'm saying? You
[1:36:35] have
>> you're saying but like the overall
[1:36:37] dollar here for this is $2,000 in the
whole remainder of the year. I'm talking
[1:36:43] about for the like you're talking like
it's a dollar more for the promotion
[1:36:47] itself with all of the attached benefits
and all of those things. You're probably
[1:36:51] talking under $3,000 for accelerated
benefits for that promotion. I just want
[1:36:57] I I'm wanting to be really cautious
about what we do now that's going to
[1:37:00] impact 27 because I think
>> I think we're going to have some
[1:37:04] challenges ahead of us and I wouldn't be
asking if I hadn't ran everything
[1:37:08] because this is something that's very
doable
[1:37:11] itself is very small in the whole scheme
of things. Is this the biggest request
[1:37:16] is the internal rank structure change
[1:37:21] » question. Any other questions?
[1:37:26] I may make a motion to approve the rank
structure as proposed by Chief Harper.
[1:37:31] » So moved.
>> Can we have a second?
[1:37:33] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[1:37:35] » Any oppose?
>> All right. Then chief had something
[1:37:39] else. He he brought to me. I told him we
should have discussion with So he's
[1:37:43] going to bring up.
>> Yes. Uh so this is just to start a
[1:37:46] conversation um with with our
department. So, one of our our well, not
[1:37:52] one of the largest requests for uh
police activity or in the city is for
[1:37:57] requests for traffic, go out monitoring
traffic and neighborhoods um on the
[1:38:03] state highways and parks. I mean, that's
the number one request activity is
[1:38:07] traffic enforcement. Uh so what we're
doing um is we're actually going to be
[1:38:11] taking a block of officers and
rearranging some schedules and things in
[1:38:15] there and making a dedicated traffic
unit to where they're only going to be
[1:38:19] working traffic and accidents. Uh we're
also going to be sending these
[1:38:23] individuals through accident
reconstruction um due to the unfortunate
[1:38:27] circumstances of our accidents are
getting more severe than what they have
[1:38:32] been over the course of years. Um, so we
need to make sure that we have that
[1:38:35] staff to do reconstruction.
Um, the staff that will be on.
[1:38:42] I also have uh some specialized
individuals in there who are cycle
[1:38:47] certified to be able to operate
motorcycles. I even have one individual
[1:38:51] who would be working with this group as
well who is a certified instructor who
[1:38:55] can actually teach the actual class and
do all the training to certify officers
[1:39:00] to be all.
Um, so what we would like to do is we
[1:39:04] would like to look at purchasing two
motorcycles to go into this unit for our
[1:39:09] traffic division. Um, overall cost for
the motorcycles themselves, um, this
[1:39:15] would be a full package deal from
Harley-Davidson
[1:39:20] back here is just under 32,000.
[1:39:26] Um, 31,000 and some change on that. Um
that is a 2026 pricing that would
[1:39:33] include uh the motorcycle all the
upfitting. The only thing that we would
[1:39:36] have to do is a couple of um
communication things for the officer to
[1:39:40] have a button to operate a radio uh
helmets and some striping and things for
[1:39:46] um those units. Um we what we'd like to
do is start exploring that option um to
[1:39:52] see what we could if it's something in
which council would support so we can
[1:39:56] actually look at it.
There are various options that we could
[1:39:59] do as far as leasing the motorcycles as
well. Uh would not be with through
[1:40:03] Enterprise, but there is a leasing
option through Harley like Davidson.
[1:40:08] » I expect one through Enterprise. That
would have been interesting.
[1:40:11] » They don't they don't they just don't do
that. Um the example, the uh the lease
[1:40:16] cost would be $745 a month and that
would be at a four-year lease with a
[1:40:21] $1,000 residual at the end of that
making it very uh costefficient um for
[1:40:27] budgeting and so forth. Um this is also
something in which um looking at the
[1:40:32] budget for uh 2026 it would be something
in which I could absorb within my uh
[1:40:38] 2026 budget if we decided to go that
direction or the other two would be
[1:40:42] looking at using some of our impact fees
uh for stuff like this. Our impact fees
[1:40:46] as far as I understand it can be used
for vehicles and new buildings and
[1:40:50] things like that. So wanted to open up
that discussion uh with you all so see
[1:40:56] which which direction um either continue
researching it, bring a plan for next
[1:41:00] council meeting, kind of go from there
or um if it's something that we kind of
[1:41:06] the other direction on.
>> What's the benefit of motorcycles versus
[1:41:12] » the biggest benefit is is going to the
scenes. um you have low lower visibility
[1:41:17] as far as being out and about, but
they're more maneuverable to getting
[1:41:20] into accidents, getting into places in
which you're trying to get to those
[1:41:23] places. And
>> would it reduce our current vehicle
[1:41:26] fleet heading for?
>> No. What it would do is it would
[1:41:29] actually be like kind of a pool. I mean,
we don't have enough resources to be
[1:41:33] issuing everybody, but it' be a poolled
resource.
[1:41:37] » It's easy to hide though in hight
traffic, you know, areas. I know I used
[1:41:41] to work in law and they high
motorcycles. We had people trying to
[1:41:44] turn left on to what's I [clears throat]
don't know what the name of that street
[1:41:48] what's that main street there 264 anyway
>> yeah they they'd hide you could even see
[1:41:52] them and people turn left motorcycle get
them right away [laughter]
[1:41:58] » another
motorcycle back then
[1:42:00] » what is your what is your position on
using impact fees versus leasing
[1:42:06] as far as like have you looked at the
benefits of one versus the other
[1:42:13] » I I mean, if we have the money, I can I
can show you all that I have the money
[1:42:16] to be able to utilize it. I don't see
why we wouldn't go that route rather
[1:42:21] than leasing something. But that would
be a decision for council.
[1:42:25] » We'd have to review the impact fees and
I don't I'm not sure that that would
[1:42:29] qualify for an expansion or growth of
the service if we're just putting the
[1:42:35] same people on a different vehicle.
>> Shannon,
[1:42:38] » it's one of those things to where we
haven't actually been utilizing any of
[1:42:41] that. So even like the vehicles that
we're purchasing next year, they're
[1:42:45] actually additional vehicles because of
the personnel and we've just been
[1:42:49] running short.
>> I I would be open to exploring it, but I
[1:42:54] think this is something that back to my
previous comment. I think this should be
[1:42:59] a a an ask on your category B for your
27 budget.
[1:43:04] » I'll just be honest. If we don't look at
doing it in 26, this will not go into
[1:43:08] 27.
I'm just I'm just going to be honest
[1:43:11] with you because as far as what we're
working on the push
[1:43:16] current idea is to stay within our
current numbers and try to provide
[1:43:19] raises and everything else. This would
not be something in which I'd be even
[1:43:22] able to look at for 27 if we stay within
those parameters.
[1:43:26] So I'm okay with having a little
carryover from 26 if we can do that. And
[1:43:30] that's where, you know, that that would
be my, you know, if I want to call an
[1:43:35] argument, that's where I would be
presenting is if we go into 27, then
[1:43:38] allow me to have a budget surplus in 26
to put towards it.
[1:43:43] » We're only using the confinements of 26,
then I I cannot do that for 27.
[1:43:48] » And that would be my next
>> another concern that I have and and you
[1:43:52] know my background, so I understand the
roadways are the most dangerous places
[1:43:57] that you guys encounter.
>> Absolutely. Um, so you mentioned that
[1:44:01] motorcycles are lower visibility
>> for being out and about. Yes.
[1:44:04] » That also creates a a bigger hazard too
because they are harder to see. So we're
[1:44:10] we're we're increasing potential risk to
officers and then they also lose that
[1:44:17] vehicle protection to be able to work in
front of their vehicle if somebody's
[1:44:21] texting and comes off the roadway. And
I'd rather have them hit a Tahoe than a
[1:44:25] motorcycle if it's a car between me and
them. Um, so I think I have some
[1:44:30] concerns personally about it. Um, I
would have to be before I would be in
[1:44:35] favor of adding motorcycles, I would I
would have to be convinced.
[1:44:40] » What I what I can do is this was just a
a starter for this. What I can do is I
[1:44:44] can actually have my staff who is 100%
certified in this come and make a
[1:44:48] presentation if you prefer.
>> I think it would be good to actually
[1:44:52] justify the need
in my mind and maybe it's just me. I
[1:44:57] don't need any answer by Cody.
>> I'm just trying to get this, you know,
[1:45:00] started now. We're going into the last
quarter of the year and which is
[1:45:04] something we
look at or need to avoid. You know, if
[1:45:10] we can get something firmed up toward
the end of the year since we're going to
[1:45:15] depending on if it is a 26 or if I can,
you know, earmark something out of 26 to
[1:45:19] be put out, you know, used for some of
these hands in seven, that would be
[1:45:24] great.
Can we hear if there's any additional
[1:45:27] training cost, insurance increases,
stuff like that?
[1:45:31] » Insurance and things, I'd have to get
with municipal on on that. Um, as far as
[1:45:35] training costs associated with it, there
would be none because I currently have
[1:45:38] the staff to be able to
>> vehicle the vehicle savings would be
[1:45:43] nice because maybe then you can
>> more quickly add officers, but it does
[1:45:48] seem like you'd be weather inhibited,
too. Like there's there will be days
[1:45:53] where you
>> chips wrote every every day.
[1:45:55] » I don't say chips. That's what I
>> California what I said.
[1:45:59] » Yeah.
>> Chips.
[1:46:04] » We're talking about costs and stuff.
What about like gas the difference
[1:46:08] between black hole versus uh vehicles?
You have
[1:46:15] » savings. It seems like there would be a
savings there.
[1:46:18] » There would be. Um, but I mean you're
also talking trying to do gas mileage on
[1:46:23] a police vehicle is kind of a moot
point.
[1:46:30] » I'm actually on the new vehicles we're
looking at depending on if GM can fix
[1:46:34] the issue with the 53s or if they're
going to come out with the 57. Um, we're
[1:46:38] looking actually going to some of the
fours that have the the hybrid
[1:46:41] technology in them for next year. But it
kind of depends on what happens with
[1:46:46] vehicles currently.
But there would be um because you're not
[1:46:50] going to have something sitting there
idling all the time. You're not going to
[1:46:53] have electronic usage and then those
sort of things. Yes, there is a cost
[1:46:57] savings there.
>> I was saying if you know that that might
[1:47:00] add that might help some of the
>> talks. Fuel mileage alone is I mean
[1:47:06] going to be a fraction of what it is for
you know a V8 engine. So definitely
[1:47:10] appreciate Cody, you know, he's hearing
what the citizens are asking for,
[1:47:14] » trying to figure out a way to fit it
into the budget that we'd have to get
[1:47:17] more officers on the road.
>> If we didn't have the staff to be able
[1:47:21] to utilize this and we had an
overwhelming cost for training and all
[1:47:24] these other things, it wouldn't even be
an option.
[1:47:28] Our staff that we have who can utilize
it and who have the training, you know,
[1:47:32] something we brought up to to be able to
provide a service to the city. you bring
[1:47:36] a proposal to our next council meeting.
>> What I can do is I can actually talk to
[1:47:41] the staff and have them come and provide
all the detailed information on it
[1:47:45] because I mean I've got an expert on on
on staff who can come and answer all
[1:47:49] those questions for you. We just wanted
to open up the lines of communication on
[1:47:52] this right now.
>> Explore it.
[1:47:55] » Well, I thinking outside.
>> I think you actually might be listening.
[1:47:58] Probably a couple of your officers are
on here. So,
[1:48:02] I I can say them. They are.
You can't say it, but I can.
[1:48:05] » I think as our city continues to grow,
we need to have conversations about
[1:48:09] things that can help us improve what
we're currently doing. So, I appreciate
[1:48:13] you bringing that to us and I think it
would be great to have a proposal.
[1:48:16] » If you got a PowerPoint or something,
you want we can
[1:48:20] whatever you want to do.
>> We'll get something maybe.
[1:48:22] » All right. Thank you.
>> If you open up for any other business, I
[1:48:26] wanted to kind of I'm done with you.
Yeah. We're done with
[1:48:29] » No, I didn't mean it like that, but we
were done on that. Uh, I want to bring
[1:48:33] because Brian had a concern about these
boxes. So, I was
[1:48:37] what we just approved.
>> Oh, the Okay. Okay.
[1:48:40] » The ordinance that we just passed.
>> Yes.
[1:48:42] » We already have a section in there. It's
12-24-60.
[1:48:47] And it says, "If a structure becomes
unsafe, abandoned, or a public nuisance,
[1:48:51] the city may provide notice to the
responsible party requiring correction
[1:48:55] within 14 days. Failure to comply may
result in removal by the city. The city
[1:49:00] may immediately remove or secure any
structure presenting an enem threat to
[1:49:04] public safety. Removal or securing of a
structure pursuant to this section shall
[1:49:10] not create liability on the part of the
city for damage to the structure or it's
[1:49:13] caught.
>> Then then ultimately I I think and I
[1:49:16] just want you to know that
>> it's been a while since I've reviewed
[1:49:18] it. But ultimately I I think my biggest
concern is we we just need a contact
[1:49:22] person.
>> No, that's fair.
[1:49:25] » Move in and out or whatnot. We just want
to have some way. And I think that was
[1:49:28] the reason I was thinking of a just some
sort of agreement.
[1:49:32] » Um, which I think I still would
>> have some some of them writing.
[1:49:36] » They're complying with it. But that way
>> Yeah. No, I just wanted you to truncate
[1:49:40] or whatnot because they're not an
entity. It didn't sound like it sound
[1:49:43] like it was a couple folks that are
working with with with that and we just
[1:49:48] » Yeah. I just wanted you to know we had
it something already kind of covered.
[1:49:51] It's just All right. So, we have any
other business?
[1:49:55] » Okay. Hey, the only thing I have then is
coffee with the mayor is September 19th
[1:50:00] next. We do have senator day this
Saturday.
[1:50:03] » Starting Friday night, right?
>> Yeah. Starting Friday right here. Have a
[1:50:06] pageant in
>> Saturday.
[1:50:08] » Yeah, Friday and Saturday. Want a
pageant plus be a barbecue thing
[1:50:11] happening down there at Ace Hardware on
Friday night
[1:50:13] » and then Saturday I've got all the
events out there. Uh there is a chance
[1:50:18] of rain, but looks like it might be the
afternoon. We're watching that. Our
[1:50:21] meteorology staff's watching that,
making sure it's going to be good. But
[1:50:25] so far so good. Uh coffee with the mayor
next the following Saturday on 19th over
[1:50:30] in the community room. Uh I'll let you
know TJ's going to give us a couple
[1:50:34] dates on this work session for uh and
I'll pass it out. We'll we'll see what
[1:50:38] we can work out. Also just want to get
on your calendars early. Budget work
[1:50:41] session will be October 27th at 6 PM.
That's the fourth Tuesday. I just want
[1:50:46] to give you plenty of heads up and we're
going to do it over at the old city hall
[1:50:50] because we're going to be do voting in
here. So we'll go over the old city
[1:50:53] hall. We still have the screens up and
everything so we can still use them over
[1:50:56] there and uh we will have uh I'll I'll
get something for everybody to eat too.
[1:51:01] So would that something
>> I got a question I was trying to other
[1:51:05] business real quick. Uh community center
something I was thinking is there any
[1:51:09] concerns Loren I know I think it's
county the Lonesome Oak Gun Range is
[1:51:13] that going to be what is our
code on that? You know I thought about
[1:51:18] that and I can hear it from where I'm at
but you know I've seen where the
[1:51:21] community center is at. That's something
we haven't ever really talked about.
[1:51:25] » There's that gun range right there on
the back side of the property. And so I
[1:51:28] ju I just want to put that on radars. I
don't think we've ever brought that up.
[1:51:31] » I think those are set up to shoot back
towards the east.
[1:51:34] » They No, absolutely. But I mean just in
general center I want to bring that up.
[1:51:40] Um
>> yeah, so many years ago uh that actually
[1:51:43] went through county planning and there's
appeals and all that, but they have some
[1:51:47] kind of conditional thing with the
county that they can sure shoot between
[1:51:51] now.
>> I'm more I'm more so I think as we build
[1:51:55] out the community on that back half of
the property because the discussions on
[1:51:58] the outside,
>> do we look at possibly fencing
[1:52:02] something that provide not just a safety
barrier but something there on the back
[1:52:07] side of the property? Just just want to
mention
[1:52:09] » a bunch of trees back there already.
>> Huh?
[1:52:11] » There's already a bunch of trees back
there. Like a whole bunch
[1:52:13] » a tree. But I mean
>> it sound
[1:52:15] » just suggesting Justin to look at it
because there's a gun flare.
[1:52:19] » So it's not going to do much to that.
>> No, but I mean I just something about
[1:52:24] » you listen to last weekend it was
>> season
[1:52:31] was knocking on his window.
>> Uh that was one question. Other thing we
[1:52:36] asked on the water bill last month's
meeting possibly to utilize some of the
[1:52:40] verbiage on the bill for our centerton
uh
[1:52:44] » my center app
>> my center app and things like that.
[1:52:46] Where are we at on that?
>> You also asked for a QR code.
[1:52:49] » Yeah.
>> I'll let the water commissioner
[1:52:52] » and I sent over some examples and I know
that was actually a request from a
[1:52:56] citizen in that meeting.
So trying to see what we're conversation
[1:53:00] with staff is that they're appreciating
it and working with the folks you
[1:53:05] assemble the bill.
>> So that's how it works.
[1:53:10] » I think before the end of the year you
should be able to see that they're just
[1:53:13] getting the logistics worked out.
>> So the understand last month though was
[1:53:17] we probably missed that bill. It
shouldn't be hard to put on the next
[1:53:19] one. So I don't think there should be
because we know there's a ton more
[1:53:22] characters on this one.
It should be like the October bill
[1:53:27] assembly the update. So I have not
spoken with Malcolm directly about it. I
[1:53:31] just know that
it
[1:53:34] » and then the third one I had was chamber
of commerce. Is there two Facebook pages
[1:53:39] out there Josie?
>> No.
[1:53:43] » There's like a center area chamber.
>> No, that's an old one that they don't
[1:53:46] have control.
>> Like how do we get that pulled down?
[1:53:50] » That's chamber. We can
>> there's a centeron area chamber of
[1:53:52] commerce and a centeron chamber of
commerce and like I realize I have been
[1:53:57] following the wrong one for a year and a
half and there's another one and so how
[1:54:03] do we
>> who owns that page?
[1:54:06] » You should be able to see the
>> that I don't see that on that.
[1:54:11] » I have no idea
since 16. So
[1:54:15] » that's what I'm saying. No, no, it's
it's since then. It's last year.
[1:54:18] » I don't think so. So, how do we get that
pulled down
[1:54:22] » Facebook?
I don't know.
[1:54:24] » We can't push for our own city.
>> I I can send a request, but
[1:54:31] » I don't know. I don't have any control
over Facebook. You send a request.
[1:54:35] » I did.
>> I think somebody tried that already.
[1:54:37] » Try that. Yes.
>> All right.
[1:54:40] » That's all address again.
>> You try to do that.
[1:54:44] » We got a motion to adjourn by Wendy.
[laughter]
[1:54:48] » All right. We got a second.
>> Second. Anybody else want to go home?
[1:54:51] » All right. All in favor?
>> Anyone opposed? I would be stopped
[1:54:55] recording.