1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,599 All right, we're all set. 2 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:13,280 >> All right, welcome everybody. I 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,880 apologize for being late and for 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,880 starting late, but I guess it's under 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:17,680 five minutes. 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:18,080 >> Yeah. 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,960 >> So, the students don't get to leave. 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,320 [laughter] 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,800 >> Growing up, what was it? 15 minutes was 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,000 >> the culture pretty much, 11 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,519 >> I think. So, I mean, it's not a real 12 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:29,679 thing, but 13 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:31,679 anyways, welcome everybody to Planning 14 00:00:31,679 --> 00:00:33,840 Commission for August 12, 2026. We'll 15 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,640 start with a quick roll call. We have an 16 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,800 amazing panel today. 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:39,360 >> Yeah, 18 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,265 >> this looks so fun to see everybody. 19 00:00:41,265 --> 00:00:42,559 [laughter] 20 00:00:42,559 --> 00:00:44,960 >> No, really. It's it's it's Gosh, I don't 21 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,480 know how when when's the last time we 22 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,480 had a no absence. 23 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:49,840 >> It's been a while. 24 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,680 >> So, it is such a pleasure to have you 25 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,800 all here. Um, we'll start with a thought 26 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,640 by Commissioner Adamson. 27 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:57,600 >> Okay. 28 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,359 >> Yeah. I was thinking about what to what 29 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:01,680 to share today and uh thinking about it 30 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,440 in the context of the different things 31 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,000 that we were wanting to achieve today. 32 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,320 And one of my favorite recent books I've 33 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,400 read is The Devil in the White City. Not 34 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,560 sure if anyone's heard of that. Uh it's 35 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,200 essentially about the um Chicago World's 36 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,840 Fair and it juxtaposed against kind of 37 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,680 more of a true crime understanding of 38 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,200 what was going on in Chicago at that 39 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,159 time. 40 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:25,759 Um I my background is as an engineer. So 41 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:27,920 the architectural aspects of the world's 42 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,439 fair really caught my attention. I found 43 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:32,400 it very enthralling. Um there's a quote 44 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,280 in that uh from the architect in charge 45 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,040 of uh developing a lot of the buildings 46 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,280 and structures for the World's Fair. Uh 47 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,400 Daniel Bham, make no little plans, they 48 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,960 have no magic to stir men's blood. And 49 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,360 so I was thinking about that quote in 50 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,880 this context and I think it's it's a 51 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,399 good reminder to us that uh our job as 52 00:01:52,399 --> 00:01:53,840 planning commission is not just to think 53 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,360 about the near-term but to think about 54 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,799 the long term. What are we leaving 55 00:01:56,799 --> 00:01:58,880 behind for the community? What what 56 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,320 structure are we setting? A lot of the 57 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,399 code edits we're talking about today 58 00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:04,560 focus a lot in on that and making 59 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,799 changes and creating a structure that 60 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,520 sets good precedent for the future. So 61 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,120 that's my thought. 62 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,440 >> That's awesome. Make no small plans. 63 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,120 >> Yeah. Can you say one pledge? No small 64 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,640 plans because it's not enough to stir 65 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:17,120 men's blood. 66 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,879 >> Yeah. Make no little plans. They have no 67 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:20,319 magic to stir men's blood. 68 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:22,959 >> Well done. Okay. Um we'll stand for the 69 00:02:22,959 --> 00:02:25,040 pledge of allegiance. Oh, sorry. Uh 70 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,239 Commissioner Adamson, did you want to 71 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:27,360 offer a legislative prayer? 72 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,030 >> Sure, please. 73 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,959 » Our father in heaven, we're grateful for 74 00:02:32,959 --> 00:02:34,560 this opportunity we have as a commission 75 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,480 to gather and to discuss the needs of 76 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,720 our community. We're grateful for the 77 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,560 efforts of staff and ask thee to bless 78 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,879 us now to be enlightened by thy spirit 79 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:44,000 that we might be able to make good 80 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,400 decisions uh in representation of the 81 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,920 community we serve and that we might be 82 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:49,680 able to 83 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,879 um provide recommendations that provide 84 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:54,080 the proper level of guidance and 85 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,680 structure for council in the future. We 86 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:56,800 ask for these things in the name of 87 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,080 Jesus Christ. Amen. 88 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:58,400 >> Amen. 89 00:02:58,400 --> 00:02:59,680 >> Thank you. We'll stand for the pledge of 90 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,430 allegiance now. 91 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,480 I pledge algiance to the flag of the 92 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,200 United States of America and to the 93 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,400 republic for which it stands. One nation 94 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,680 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 95 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,910 justice for all. 96 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:23,280 » All right. Business items. 97 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Let's start with number one on the 98 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,959 agenda. 99 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:27,920 >> Mr. Egot. 100 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,000 >> Actually, this one would be passed to 101 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 city attorney. Excellent. Okay. 102 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,200 >> All right. It's Ramy. 103 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,040 >> Oh, exciting. 104 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,799 >> Please take us out. 105 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:40,480 >> Thank you. Um, we have before you both 106 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,400 municipal code amendments and text 107 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,280 amendments to the zoning code. um 108 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,120 regarding our landmark commission 109 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,040 and we are trying to um transition the 110 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,040 landmark commission to a new name called 111 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,400 the historic preservation uh commission 112 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,400 and assigning the members of the 113 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,799 Whitaker Museum board to be the members 114 00:04:02,799 --> 00:04:05,200 of the land uh the new historic 115 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,920 preservation commission. So this um 116 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,200 project was really requested by Mayor 117 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,560 Wilkinson. Um we've had a a hard time 118 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,720 keeping members um on the landmarks 119 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,880 commission because they meet so rarely. 120 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,720 They they were quite involved a few 121 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,759 years ago, but um they do meet for some 122 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:25,680 zoning things, some incentives in the 123 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,400 dual crease historic district. They may 124 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,840 also meet um if they need to document a 125 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,720 historic uh landmark or site that is 126 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,400 going to be demolished, they have, you 127 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,400 know, the right to take some photographs 128 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,400 and things. But um it's been hard to get 129 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,160 members to sit on that and to have it 130 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,080 functioning. So um his request was for 131 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,160 uh the members to to try and make the 132 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,000 Whitaker Museum and the Landmarks 133 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Commission maybe the same. But this is 134 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 sort of the idea. Let's keep them two 135 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,199 separate public bodies, but the Whitaker 136 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:01,120 Museum Board will wear their hat when 137 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,720 they're meeting as the Whitaker Museum 138 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,880 board. And then they'll change their hat 139 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,360 to the Historic Preservation Commission 140 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,520 when they're meeting as that board. Very 141 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,199 similar to what the city council does 142 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:12,479 when they're sitting as the 143 00:05:12,479 --> 00:05:15,199 redevelopment agency. So they sit on two 144 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:16,479 different boards, but they're the, you 145 00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:19,039 know, single members. So these code text 146 00:05:19,039 --> 00:05:23,360 amendments are basically to rename it to 147 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,560 the historic preservation commission um 148 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,800 in the the in uh title three of our 149 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,080 municipal code um and also add some 150 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,680 duties to the Whitaker Museum board so 151 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,880 that because the qualifications for the 152 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,360 museum board actually tied in quite well 153 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,800 but we wanted to make a few changes 154 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,039 there so that they are qualified for 155 00:05:47,039 --> 00:05:49,520 both um and then make it clear that 156 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,199 there are separate bodies that will be 157 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,360 having two different sets of minutes and 158 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,960 that sort of thing. So um and I have met 159 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,720 the mayor has worked with the Whitaker 160 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,680 Museum board and then after these uh 161 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,759 code text amendments were prepared I met 162 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,160 with the museum board and they could ask 163 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,560 any questions and how legally this would 164 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,240 work and I think they are gratefully for 165 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,880 us they're on board with this and wanted 166 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,639 to know how much more work this would be 167 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,199 for them and also for the museum staff. 168 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:22,400 we do have a museum director. Um, and so 169 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,680 we've kind of said, look, if this if the 170 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,120 historic preservation commission 171 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,680 requires more, we could also look at, 172 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,080 you know, making maybe some staff from 173 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,840 community development or the city 174 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,160 recorder that could assist in that. But 175 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,039 again, they meet so rarely. Um, I think 176 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:42,319 this is a really good fit and hopefully 177 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:47,440 um a win-win. And so I will 178 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,080 just go through since the planning 179 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,000 commission only reviews and makes 180 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,720 recommendations on zoning text or 181 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,720 subdivision. So basically land use 182 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,199 ordinances, but I decide to just bring 183 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,120 both of these together and let you have 184 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,680 a combined public hearing on both. Um so 185 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,639 um anyway, we're just looking we're just 186 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:13,360 creating these changes to um title three 187 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,479 of the municipal code and then um 188 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:19,120 chapter 20 of the zoning code. If you 189 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,360 want to just make a motion on the zoning 190 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,120 code, you can. Or if you want to make a 191 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,199 motion on both, you're also welcome to. 192 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:27,840 But by statute, you have to review the 193 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,759 zoning amendments. So, um, and then once 194 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:36,160 we renamed it, I searched for landmark 195 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,800 commission throughout our zoning code. 196 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,639 And that's why your zoning text 197 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,479 amendment, 198 00:07:42,479 --> 00:07:46,960 not because of me. It is um 20 pages 199 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,960 because we just 21 pages because we had 200 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,080 to just make those amendments to the the 201 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,440 title throughout. So, we fixed all those 202 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,000 and um yeah, we're looking forward to 203 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,879 taking this to the the city council. 204 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:02,960 >> Okay. 205 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,199 >> And it is so it is a public hearing. 206 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,680 >> Yes. All right. Thank you. Um any 207 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,840 questions for staff before I open it up? 208 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,400 Okay. So, I'm going to open this up for 209 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,160 a public hearing. And if you're here to 210 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,759 speak on this, we would love to invite 211 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:19,440 you to come to the podiums, state your 212 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,520 name, your address, and give your 213 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,869 comments. 214 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:28,285 All right, seeing none, I'm 215 00:08:28,285 --> 00:08:29,039 [cough and clears throat] going to close 216 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:31,440 the public hearing and take it back to 217 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,440 the commission for any further 218 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,630 discussion. 219 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,159 » It's pretty seamless to me. 220 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,399 >> Yeah, seems like it. 221 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,200 >> Makes sense. It seemed right. You did a 222 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:44,000 great job. 223 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,360 >> Yes, we've been working on it for a 224 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,480 while, so I'm glad we 225 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,839 >> And if the if the um museum board is 226 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:51,519 willing to do it, I'd say yes. 227 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:52,480 >> Yes. Yeah. Right. 228 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,560 >> That took a few a few months. 229 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,519 >> Yeah. Right. 230 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:00,000 >> Okay. Um, 231 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,560 so would anybody like to start with a 232 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,800 motion? And well, I should actually say 233 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,240 I I have no qualms personally in saying 234 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,600 that we should just forward a 235 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,000 recommendation. I think so on all of it, 236 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,399 though. Our authority only sweeps in 237 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:17,200 land use. And we just let them know. 238 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,519 Makes a lot of sense. And if you pull it 239 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:21,519 up, I'll make a motion to accept it. 240 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:22,399 >> Yeah. Do you mind 241 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:22,959 >> go forward? 242 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:26,080 >> This is all that I have for um 243 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,120 recommendation. 244 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,360 >> Oh, it's right there. Okay. Yeah. 245 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,200 >> Okay. So, I would like to recommend 246 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,440 approval of the proposed Centerville 247 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,519 Municipal Code and Centerville Zoning 248 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,839 Code amendments to appoint Whitaker 249 00:09:37,839 --> 00:09:39,920 Museum board members to act as historic 250 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,680 preservation commission members, 251 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,959 ordinance number 2026-10 and ordinance 252 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:48,560 number 2026-11. 253 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:50,399 And if you would like some findings, you 254 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:52,720 can just reference the whereas clauses 255 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,200 in um those ordinances. 256 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,880 >> And I'd like to reference all the things 257 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,920 Lisa just said. [laughter] 258 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,839 >> As stated, 259 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:03,360 >> I will second that motion. That was 260 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,680 beautiful. 261 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:08,720 >> So I have a first and a second. We're 262 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,920 going to go ahead and do roll call 263 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:10,959 starting here. 264 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:12,640 >> I I I 265 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,519 >> I That is unanimous. 266 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,079 >> Thanks for your hard work on that. 267 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:19,680 Nice. 268 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,440 >> Okay. Um, moving on and somewhat more 269 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,959 interesting. I mean, not to say that 270 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:26,079 wasn't [laughter] 271 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:27,680 >> very interesting. 272 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,519 >> It's it's it's an important thing. 273 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:31,040 >> It is important. It's it's actually 274 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,800 really important. I mean, I was on the 275 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,240 landmarks commission and I think I was 276 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,720 around for some of the very last efforts 277 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,240 they made and it was 278 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,680 >> six years ago or something. Um, I think 279 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:43,279 one of the very last things we did was 280 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:44,880 make a commemorative cutting board for 281 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,240 somebody who had been on the land marks 282 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,440 commission for forever 283 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:48,560 >> and you didn't get well. 284 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,120 >> I Well, come on. No, I've been there for 285 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,079 like eight months or something. 286 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:54,640 >> That's nice. 287 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,440 >> It was great. Anyways, um, let's go on 288 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,560 to item number two. Who will be All 289 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,760 right, Miss Muese, please. 290 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,680 So, we are um proposing a zoning 291 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:11,600 um or not a zoning, a municipal code 292 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,200 amendment to the section 15, which is 293 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,839 the subdivision ordinance for the 294 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:19,680 current exchange of titles. But what we 295 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,720 are proposing is to change that to the 296 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,720 boundary line adjustments, boundary line 297 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,279 establishments. for the boundary line 298 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:31,600 adjustments. This was brought to the 299 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,560 state to change in October of 2025. 300 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:40,240 Um and now the city is hoping to amend 301 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,680 our code to meet those um to meet the 302 00:11:43,680 --> 00:11:47,120 state code. So um we've talked about 303 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,040 this for about two meetings now. So of 304 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,040 course if you have any questions, please 305 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,440 ask. Um, if you want any more 306 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,040 background, I'm happy to give you some 307 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,160 more background, but um, staff 308 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,279 recommendation is to approve the 309 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:04,399 municipal code text amendments proposed 310 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:07,120 in the staff report. 311 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,959 >> Very succinct. Well done. 312 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:09,440 >> Thanks. 313 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,000 >> Yeah. Um, would anybody like to ask 314 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,079 questions of staff? 315 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:20,870 >> I don't have any. 316 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,880 All right, we are going to open this up 317 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,040 for the public hearing phase. Um, for 318 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,519 anybody here to talk about the item 319 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:29,040 number two, boundary line adjustments, 320 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,560 boundary establishment, and exchange of 321 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:33,360 title ordinance changes, please come to 322 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,120 the podium, state your name, your 323 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,560 address, and provide your comment. 324 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,279 >> I'm not sure if this is what it is, but 325 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:43,200 >> Hold on. Because you have to be to 326 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,639 create a record, we have to capture it 327 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,440 on the microphone. This is not the 328 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,079 accessory dwelling unit. 329 00:12:50,079 --> 00:12:52,399 >> Okay, that [laughter] took care of that. 330 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:54,320 >> Yeah. 331 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,560 >> Uh for clarity for the audience, this is 332 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,360 when you know there's a a shift between 333 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,680 parcels. Uh to put it simply, that needs 334 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:02,240 to happen. 335 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,040 >> Property lines. 336 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 >> Yeah. Maybe there's a gap. Maybe there's 337 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,440 an over. Maybe there's a you know the 338 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,120 fence line has been there for 60 years 339 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,360 and it's not on the property line. 340 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,320 That's what this one is. All right. So, 341 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,959 um, opening up the public hearing. We've 342 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:19,440 sort of discussed our way through it. 343 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,360 I'm going to close the public hearing. 344 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,040 Having received no comments, can I take 345 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,720 it back to the planning commission for 346 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,110 further discussion? 347 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,320 » I think it's well written. 348 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,519 >> Yeah, I think I think it's 349 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,040 >> I think we just discussed it the last 350 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:34,320 couple meetings. So, I think 351 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,000 >> covers all of the material that need to 352 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,240 be needs to be covered. So, 353 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,519 >> all right. I will accept a motion. 354 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:44,320 I will make [clears throat] a motion uh 355 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,160 to recommend city council approval of 356 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,680 the proposed code text amendments to 357 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,440 Centerville Municipal Code section 358 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,839 15.09.14 359 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:53,279 boundary adjustments and boundary 360 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:56,560 establishments and section 20.030 361 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,880 boundary adjustment fees based on the 362 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,040 following reasons for actions findings 363 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,880 one through three. 364 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,880 >> Excellent. I think you said 14 instead 365 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,079 of 140, 366 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:08,959 >> right? but scrivener's error and we'll 367 00:14:08,959 --> 00:14:11,920 go for so I've got a a motion on the 368 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:12,720 table. 369 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:13,680 >> I'll second the motion 370 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:15,920 >> and I've got a second. Um I'm going to 371 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,839 start down here. 372 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:18,800 >> I I 373 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,120 >> I 374 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,000 >> All right. unanimous. And finally, the 375 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,959 most interesting item on today's list, 376 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:30,000 >> accessory dwelling units. uh detached 377 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,199 and I mean attached we can also talk 378 00:14:33,199 --> 00:14:35,440 briefly about but this is ordinance 379 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,079 changes to that and who will be heading 380 00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:40,000 that one out. Mr. Egot. 381 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:40,480 >> Yeah. 382 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,160 >> Please proceed. 383 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,800 >> So from our last meeting um obviously we 384 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,519 talked about this a lot and in different 385 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:49,279 variations of it and questions that I 386 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:50,880 had and went through everything itemized 387 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,480 some here but hopefully you were able to 388 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,240 pick up that and either reviewing 389 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,399 minutes or looking at the the video to 390 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:58,959 remind yourself or learn about it. So, 391 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:00,480 um, some of the homework that I was 392 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,240 assigned to do as part of this was to 393 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,839 get information from Bountiful City. I 394 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:05,360 did provide an email to all of you. 395 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,880 Hopefully, that was helpful when you're 396 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,279 looking for their what I found was 397 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:11,040 interesting, they've had detach going 398 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,639 back to 2008. I thought that was pretty 399 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,800 fascinating just statistically 400 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,000 >> that they've just been doing it since 401 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,240 that time. Um, and obviously then they 402 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,000 have 8,000 square foot. Is there a 403 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,560 minimum lot size? Um, they do allow for 404 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,000 basements or other configurations. 405 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,120 There's not a lot of restrictions on 406 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,240 that, which I thought that was an 407 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,600 interesting finding. Y 408 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,600 >> and then their typical range of dads 409 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,079 that they do have are 800 to,200 ft in 410 00:15:32,079 --> 00:15:34,399 size. So some interesting information 411 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:38,320 that way. Um I also did research uh 412 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,399 information from our building official 413 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:42,720 and the fire relative to occupancy 414 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,959 limits and and windows and all that good 415 00:15:44,959 --> 00:15:48,320 stuff in a a DADU concept. and they said 416 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,480 that as long as the building is built to 417 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,079 building code and fire code as far as 418 00:15:52,079 --> 00:15:54,800 window eress and access and home ingress 419 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,040 and egress then it it you can have 420 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,279 windows that are inoperable basically. 421 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:01,199 So if we want to stick with that that's 422 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:02,880 fine. They just when they would develop 423 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,720 that the DAD will have to meet those 424 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,800 regulations as part of that construction 425 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,600 standard. Um the other thing that that I 426 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,680 asked about was the occupancy. They said 427 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,040 that they don't really regulate 428 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,800 occupancy, that they just want to make 429 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,040 sure again that it's safely occupied and 430 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,560 safely utilized and meeting building 431 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,079 code and fire code, but beyond that, 432 00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:23,440 they don't regulate occupancy. So, I I 433 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,800 think we probably figured that that 434 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,079 might be the case, but that's what they 435 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:27,519 said. One thing that was interesting 436 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,120 when I talked to the building official 437 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,880 that he did say about the windows, as I 438 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,839 asked him about that, he said, "Well, 439 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:37,360 you're you're at a 8ft setback and your 440 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,759 minimum limit for a typical home is 8 441 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:42,240 ft. So, do you really need interoperable 442 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,839 windows? He said, I don't have an 443 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:45,279 opinion either way, but just think about 444 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:47,120 that for what that's worth is what he 445 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:47,680 said. 446 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,240 >> So, I wanted to share his opinion there. 447 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,920 >> Uh, the other thing that he brought up 448 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,600 when we talked to I talked to him about 449 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,079 the basement and about anchoring a a DAU 450 00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:00,079 that if it had some kind of mobility, 451 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:03,199 the modular nature of it to a foundation 452 00:17:03,199 --> 00:17:06,720 for permanence. and he said um in other 453 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,679 codes more relative to a traditional 454 00:17:09,679 --> 00:17:11,600 modular home or mobile home there's an 455 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,240 axle removal requirement and I could 456 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,280 find a similar code that aligns and put 457 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,039 that into the code if that was the will 458 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,120 of the planning commission to further 459 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:23,520 make the point that we want this fixed 460 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:24,880 so what I would do is where I'm talking 461 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,240 about having it anchored on a permanent 462 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,480 location with skirting I could even add 463 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,799 that removal of transaxle so that it's 464 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,039 not modular on any level that would make 465 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:36,960 it So campers won't qualify. That's kind 466 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,240 of the way to get to that point if 467 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:39,919 that's what we're trying to accomplish. 468 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:41,520 >> So that's a good way to do that. So I 469 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:42,640 could find language that said that 470 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,400 include that. So those are his 471 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,080 recommendations. Um I did note in my own 472 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:54,080 review today um three minor things that are are uh to be noted or or 473 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,080 recognized that still probably should be 474 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,240 I guess identified as as maybe amended 475 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,679 depending on whatever motion may come 476 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:03,679 today. If there is a motion in 477 00:18:03,679 --> 00:18:07,750 12.58.040B2, 478 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,280 there's a an a citation to internal ADU 479 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,080 requirement where 480 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,760 >> Sorry, Mr. Can you read that one more? 481 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:14,320 >> What is it again? 482 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,440 >> So, it's it's 12.58.040. 483 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,080 She's right on it. B2 484 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,919 >> and um 485 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:23,919 >> it it says 486 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:26,799 I guess it's just B, not B2, sorry. But 487 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:30,640 it says requirements of CZC 12.60.090. 488 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,280 090. That should be 12.58.10. 489 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,120 Then it links to the detached ADU 490 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,559 ordinance and not the internal ADU 491 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:40,240 ordinance. 492 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,240 >> Small thing, but it's there. 493 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,909 >> Um 12.58.060 494 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:50,640 C. Um this is it might be okay. I mean 495 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,120 it reads okay. Um I don't know. 496 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,600 12.58.060 497 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,669 C. 498 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:01,679 I know it's tricky at the red line. 499 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:04,400 >> Yeah, it's a little bit hard. Sorry. 500 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,240 >> Page 104 of the packet for what it's 501 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,880 worth. 502 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,919 >> Oh, go back up. It looks like 503 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:15,039 Keep going. 504 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:16,480 Want to keep going. You're almost there. 505 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,880 That's 70. 506 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,080 >> Keep going. 507 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,720 >> That's I think the redlinined one 508 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,559 >> right there. And then I have it see Oh, 509 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:28,240 that's right. cuz in here I fixed it in 510 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,120 the clear one. 511 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:32,000 >> I'm looking at the black line which is 512 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,440 >> I don't I don't know how yours is 513 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:34,559 organized. It's not the same. 514 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:36,080 >> It's three. It's three here. 515 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:36,480 >> Okay. 516 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,360 >> So, it says a property may have a 517 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,760 detached ADU on the lot or parcel. That 518 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,320 word may was like kind of weird to me. 519 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,919 It might be better for it to say I was 520 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,400 thinking like permitted to have or allow 521 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,000 to have rather than may. may seem kind 522 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,320 of confusing just in the way because it 523 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,480 almost makes it sound like like there 524 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,320 may be an alternative where the detached 525 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,320 ADU can be in a situation where it isn't 526 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,919 on the same lot partial share with the 527 00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:03,679 primary dwelling and I don't know if 528 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:05,760 that's what we're intending it to say 529 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,919 >> but I kind of read it that way at first 530 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:10,400 today when I was reading it cold and so 531 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,679 I was wondering if maybe it needs to be 532 00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:14,720 ch it might read okay as a property may 533 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,799 have um because obviously right before 534 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,400 it in in the clause above it says shall 535 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,400 not be sold separately or subdivided 536 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,919 from the principal dwelling unit or 537 00:20:21,919 --> 00:20:24,640 property. But I thought if we wanted to 538 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,840 clarify that word may permitted to or 539 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,320 allowed to could be a good change. 540 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,840 >> So how would you read that? How would 541 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,600 that read if you were using 542 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,799 >> a property 543 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:35,840 >> permitted to 544 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,919 >> is allowed or is permitted 545 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:40,880 >> can problematic like can 546 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:41,520 >> property can 547 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:42,799 >> well then you probably would still use 548 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:43,280 me. [laughter] 549 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:43,760 >> I know 550 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,559 >> because it seems 551 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:46,480 >> a property is permitted to have 552 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,320 >> and it's probably okay as it reads. I 553 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,520 just don't want any confusion. Like 554 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,520 somebody thinks, well, does that mean I 555 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,440 can have them on a on a separate parcel 556 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,039 away from a single family dwelling? 557 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:56,480 >> To me, it's not confusing. 558 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,320 >> How about a property may be permitted to 559 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,000 >> and I don't want to overconfuse it. 560 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,360 >> That's what I Yeah, and that's fine, 561 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,039 too. I was just thinking maybe like make 562 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:05,280 it a little more clear with permitted. 563 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,640 Maybe permitted to as well. 564 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,320 >> What what Mason just said was good. I 565 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,480 thought the property may I mean 566 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,840 >> could be 567 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,520 >> may be permitted to 568 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,159 >> may be per and I can do that change. 569 00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:16,640 Yeah, 570 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,640 >> if that's if that's that makes it a 571 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,159 little more clear, a little more 572 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:22,400 decisive what we're trying to say. 573 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,000 >> It's not saying, you know, there's 574 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,240 alternative. 575 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,840 >> You just have that option if you have a 576 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,120 single family dwelling on the same 577 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:29,919 parcel. 578 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:30,640 >> Yeah. 579 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,990 >> Um and then the last one was 12.58.120. 580 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 That's way at the bottom and it's 581 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,320 already a comment I noted um as 582 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,720 something that it's the very literally 583 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,080 the very last paragraph of the thing. 584 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,679 Go up just a little bit now. Right 585 00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:50,400 there. Go down. Yeah. [snorts] Yeah. And 586 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,320 I put should we should we site a code 587 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,240 here or delete and remove from of Utah 588 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,760 code 102303. Da da. I read that over 589 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,559 removing it and it still kind of read 590 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:02,720 funny to me even with that. So I thought 591 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,000 additionally the city may um utilize 592 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,760 applicable enforcement provisions 593 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,520 regarding violations and holding leans 594 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,320 against the property if we can't if we 595 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,919 don't want to and we're not able to keep 596 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:15,360 that citation in there. that sentence 597 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,200 would be sound at that point. That's 598 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,120 what I was thinking. Again, if you want 599 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,039 me to reread that. Additionally, the 600 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,520 city may utilize applicable enforcement 601 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,280 provisions regarding violations in 602 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,350 holding leans against the property. 603 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,799 » Then we're not making a ref because that 604 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,840 reference is to internal ADU state code. 605 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,799 Mhm. 606 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,120 >> That I looked that reference is like 607 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,960 this long and it basically just says the 608 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,880 city's allowed to go on your property 609 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,760 >> and and also enforce leans and and right 610 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,000 enforce on the property. Yeah. 611 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,919 >> Yeah. So, and I don't know maybe that's 612 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:50,159 a legal question, Lisa, how that might 613 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,320 read it be proper construction that 614 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,760 citation I don't know that we can site 615 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,640 it in detail. 616 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,720 >> Yeah. I like your new provision. I still 617 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,840 think there's, 618 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,320 >> you know, legal issues. I'm hopefully 619 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,840 they'll fix that with the legislative 620 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,320 session. I know we worked hard on those 621 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,080 lean provisions. I know the Salt Lake 622 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,760 City attorneys were involved in that 623 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,080 lean provision language in the internal. 624 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,320 So I don't know why it was left out of 625 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,039 attached. 626 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,280 >> Okay. So I would amend it to say may 627 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,960 utilize applicable enforcement 628 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,640 provisions regarding violations and 629 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,280 holding against the property. 630 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,360 >> Okay. That that's that would be my 631 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,919 recommendation. And I think with that 632 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:29,360 that's everything as far as um outside 633 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:30,799 of what we talked about from the last 634 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:32,480 meeting. I went and listened to the 635 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,240 entirety of the last meeting and felt 636 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,760 like I captured all of your comments, 637 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,559 but clearly even as I note in my um in 638 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:44,400 the actual staff report, I added a 639 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159 statement and I did this on purpose to 640 00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,480 signal both to you as well as the public 641 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,159 that there's still discussion here. 642 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:51,679 further staff supports the planning 643 00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:53,840 commission in making additional efforts 644 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,440 in refining the proposed language if 645 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,200 there's interest in further providing 646 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,360 modifying the provided draft DAU zoning 647 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,280 language proposal prior to taking any 648 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,400 formal action and providing a 649 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,240 recommendation to the city council. So, 650 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,760 I guess what I'm trying to say is if 651 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,640 there's any still gray areas that we 652 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,720 need to to discuss or further identify, 653 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,360 we can. Um, one other thing I wanted to 654 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,840 note, there was uh some commentary from uh Commissioner Patterson earlier 655 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,000 in the week and I tried to provide 656 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,080 clarity to those comments as well as pro 657 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,679 provide you all with information. I 658 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:25,600 talked about like we can't regulate 659 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,120 modular homes off of single family 660 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,799 dwellings. I was able to find the code. 661 00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:30,720 I provided it to you. I tried to give 662 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,400 you definitions of family both in state 663 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,400 code and city code. That city code 664 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,760 definition of family was what I was 665 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,760 referencing. I couldn't necessarily find 666 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,840 the same uh matching code and state 667 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,159 code, but it has been there. But that 668 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,000 state code definition of single family 669 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,559 might be an update to that. And so our city code might be a little bit more 670 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,799 historically correct to a previous 671 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:52,320 iteration of that before they modified 672 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,000 or it may still be in there. I was 673 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,760 researching, I couldn't find that older 674 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,080 definition, but I remember in my my 675 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,919 career when they did that transition to 676 00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:01,840 a definition of family and so that's why 677 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,279 I wanted to identify that state code 678 00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,880 because it matches exactly what old 679 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,720 state or city code because it matches 680 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,400 what the old state code or at least it 681 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:09,840 may be still current. I just couldn't 682 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,000 find it definition of family is but then 683 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,200 I found that other single family 684 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,400 designation which makes it clear four 685 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,799 persons together is your minimum limit 686 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,799 you can establish as a city. I 687 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:22,559 appreciated you referencing that and 688 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,159 sending that because I read it and it 689 00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:25,039 was very clear. 690 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,360 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, we have clarity on those 691 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,000 points. I did update as as you see here 692 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,640 the table of uses showing that I put a 693 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,000 question mark by agricultural just 694 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,039 because there was a little bit of a 695 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,120 discussion there. But from staff's 696 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,640 perspective, if you look at internal 697 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,360 ADU, it is permitted 698 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,000 >> already. So to in what I'm getting at is 699 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960 on an agricultural lot to in order to be 700 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,720 consistent probably staff would say to 701 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,200 do permitted also an agricultural low. 702 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,799 Um but clearly that is something that 703 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,320 can be discussed as a recommendation to 704 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,240 council if you feel differently. The 705 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,279 other option would be probably an N. I 706 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:00,640 don't know how we would do a conditional 707 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640 use permit in in agricultural unless you 708 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,720 guys want as a commission want to talk 709 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,840 about it and tell us how that would 710 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,799 look. Um but again I guess that's a a 711 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,120 tertiary option if we want to go there. 712 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:15,200 Um and then see is that everything 713 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,799 commentary response 714 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:17,679 >> statement 715 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:21,440 >> I believe that that's everything but if there yeah and then there's still 716 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,120 direction from the Utah League of Cities 717 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,919 and towns relative to ADUs which we 718 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,159 covered at the last meeting. So I 719 00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,480 believe that covers everything 720 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,360 additional from our last discussion and 721 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,799 getting all the research information and 722 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,000 fulfilling the homework that was 723 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,000 directed by the planning commission and 724 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,400 I guess I would defer to you if you have 725 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,840 questions on me or if you want to 726 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,440 proceed to plan the public hearing and 727 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,039 then go from there uh however you want 728 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,520 to proceed. And uh with that that's my 729 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,480 presentation. 730 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,840 >> Excellent. [clears throat] Thank you. 731 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,600 >> Um so we're going to bring it back to 732 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,039 the commission for questions and I'll 733 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:55,760 kind of lead off on that one. um 734 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080 agricultural low. 735 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,760 >> Um what are the I'd like to just sort of 736 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,559 brainstorm with you, Mr. What are the impacts that an ADU would 737 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,360 have that would need to be mitigated 738 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,799 >> for a conditional use permit? 739 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:11,360 >> Yeah, 740 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,440 >> that's why I said I don't I right off 741 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,279 the bat I I don't mean to chuckle, but 742 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,120 >> it's true that No, it's it's it's almost 743 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:20,000 backwards. It's almost like um it would 744 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,760 be that it would be the addition of the 745 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,120 ADU that would have to then uh deal with 746 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,039 the agricultural uses. 747 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:28,640 >> Yeah. What kind of what kind of harmful 748 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,360 impacts come from the the detached ADU 749 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,679 on agricultural lot that would justify 750 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:35,440 conditional use permit application? 751 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,400 >> Yeah, 752 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,200 >> I think for a large agricultural lot, it 753 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,159 might be an underused use, you know, 754 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,720 like rather than subdividing later or 755 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,480 you know, preventing future development, 756 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,080 but Okay. 757 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,880 >> And I agree with 758 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,960 >> But the cup doesn't solve that. 759 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,240 >> No, no, that's not a cup. 760 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,600 >> And they're allowed by law. So 761 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,120 >> Exactly. Well, unless 762 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,640 >> Yep. Yep. Exactly. That was that was my 763 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,760 one question there. Um the conversations 764 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600 that we had in the email, I did they 765 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600 make it into an amended packet 766 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,679 >> for the record. I think we should do 767 00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:08,399 that. 768 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:10,480 >> That's fair because it did go it did go 769 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:10,799 to the whole 770 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,320 >> It went to the whole commission. So I 771 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,919 think all of the conversations we had 772 00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:14,799 since Monday 773 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,240 >> Yeah. should be included in 774 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,840 >> should be included including the one 775 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,320 from boundful. We've identified them 776 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,000 fair record here and we've summarized 777 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,200 their contents. 778 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,559 >> I didn't even think about that but yeah. 779 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,880 >> No, no, no worries. Um I'm just keeping 780 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,399 track and um so for the public that are 781 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:32,480 here to summarize what in essence it was 782 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,640 were questions that were coming up on 783 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,799 how other definitions 784 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:38,880 um how certain definitions were being 785 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,720 used. We just talked about it. Um we're 786 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,159 going to put it into the the amendment. 787 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:43,440 >> I will yeah I will include it in the 788 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,679 packet. it'll be reflected tomorrow in 789 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,159 this same packet once I go and amend 790 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:48,799 those in. 791 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:49,600 >> Right. 792 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,200 >> Uh of of a special importance or at 793 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,440 least of uh not importance special 794 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,760 interest to me were were bountiful's 795 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,799 responses. 796 00:28:58,799 --> 00:28:59,200 >> Right. 797 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,559 >> Um and if it's okay, I would rather just 798 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,159 read that into the record. 799 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:04,640 >> Sure. 800 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,960 >> Um so that the public can comment on it. 801 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,679 That would personally all of the 802 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,080 definitions were just definitions and it 803 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640 can be helpful. I thought that it might 804 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,360 be helpful to read that one into the 805 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520 record. Are we okay with that? 806 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,080 >> Yeah. 807 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:27,269 >> Okay. Let me see if I can find it again. 808 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:29,200 » Okay. So, this is correspondence between 809 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,799 Mr. Egot and Mr. um Atorga. 810 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,399 >> Atorga Francis Francis. Uh who is 811 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:38,240 >> he would be my counterpart for Bountiful 812 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,720 City. 813 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,520 >> Okay. Um good morning, Francisco. I've 814 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,720 been trying to contact you by phone um 815 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,515 regarding your car's warranty. No, 816 00:29:47,515 --> 00:29:48,399 [laughter] 817 00:29:48,399 --> 00:29:50,080 >> I know. I've been trying to contact you 818 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,200 by phone regarding an inquiry I've been asked with by the central 819 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,559 planning commission. We are working on a 820 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,799 detached ADU dat ordinance and the 821 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,080 planning commission has requested some 822 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,760 data information from you and your PZ 823 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,320 department um there in Bountiful 824 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,679 relative to Datus. Therefore, could you 825 00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:05,600 help me out with providing approximate 826 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:06,799 answers to the following questions? 827 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,720 Number one, how many registered detached 828 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,320 ADUs do you have in Bountiful City? 829 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,760 Number two, what is the typical housing 830 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,240 lot size you see for the use of data 831 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,760 development? Number three, do you allow 832 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,520 for basements of any kind in a data 833 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,200 establishment? Number four, what is the 834 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,039 typical size you see constructed for a 835 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,440 DAT establishment? Uh, I would greatly 836 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,640 appreciate it if you could answer these 837 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,080 questions for me by or before next 838 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,520 Wednesday evening, August 12th, and when 839 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,440 I have uh when I have planning 840 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,960 commission, I would like to report the 841 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,080 answers to these questions to the 842 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,440 commissioners. I also understand that 843 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,880 some of these numbers might be harder to 844 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,960 get. So, in that event, just let me know 845 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,480 a comment like indeterminant or 846 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,760 something like that. Again, thank you in 847 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,960 advance for any assistance you can 848 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,120 provide in this inquiry. Sincerely, Mr. 849 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,640 Egot. And then his response. 850 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,559 >> Mason, would you slow it just a little 851 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:47,279 bit, please? 852 00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:47,600 >> Sure. 853 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:48,080 >> Thank you. 854 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,760 >> Sure. Yeah. 855 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,120 >> How much slower? 856 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,279 >> A little slower, attorney. Just a little 857 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,360 slower [laughter] so that everybody gets 858 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:55,679 it. 859 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:58,399 >> Response. Um, and that is uh August 860 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,399 10th. Michael and Sydney, we are happy 861 00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:02,320 to help. Below our responses to your 862 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,480 inquiries regarding detached ADUs in 863 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,480 Bountiful. Number one, how many 864 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,159 registered detached ADUs do you have in 865 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:11,679 Bountiful City? We have 27 registered 866 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:14,799 detached ADUs dating back to 2008. There 867 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:16,559 may be additional detached ADUs that 868 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,880 predate our current records as Bountiful 869 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440 has historically allowed ADUs in some 870 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,919 form for quite some time. Number two, 871 00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:26,080 what is the typical housing lot size you 872 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,720 see for the use of data development? The 873 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,720 minimum lot size in Battlefield is 8,000 874 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,039 square feet. We have not historically 875 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:34,799 tracked the lot sizes associated with 876 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,000 our approved ADUs. So I cannot provide a 877 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,880 reliable typical lot size. I do think 878 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,640 this would be useful information to 879 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120 track particularly when creating or 880 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,000 amending ADU policy. Number three, do 881 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,840 you allow for basements of any kind in a 882 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,720 DATU establishment? Yes. Assuming you 883 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,559 are asking specifically about detached 884 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,960 ADUs, we do not regulate the particular 885 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,039 form or configuration of the DATU in 886 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,600 that manner. For example, it could be it 887 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,519 could include a basement, be located 888 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,000 above or behind a garage, or take 889 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,519 another configuration provided it 890 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,360 complies with the applicable development 891 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,360 standards. Number four, what is the 892 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,200 typical size you see constructed for a 893 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,120 DAT establishment? 894 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,600 Detached ADUs are typically in the range 895 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,000 of 800 to 12 uh well 800 to 1,200 square 896 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,640 feet. The maximum permitted size for a 897 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,679 detached ADU in Bountiful is 1,250 898 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:29,919 square feet. I hope this information is 899 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:31,279 helpful for your planning commission 900 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,360 discussion. Please feel free to reach 901 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,279 out if you have any follow-up questions. 902 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,120 I am generally easier to reach by text 903 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,960 on myself and I'm not going to add that 904 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,399 even though it's probably going to go on 905 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,640 record. If you want to uh redact that, I 906 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,760 have no qualms. Um and then there's a 907 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840 response where Mr. Egget sends it to us 908 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,320 and uh Laorray 909 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,559 um said thank you. 910 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,240 >> Thank you for acknowledging that. Well, 911 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,720 it's it's all part of the the the reason 912 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,480 I I felt it was important to read into 913 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,240 that is because I found it fascinating 914 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,919 that they only have 27. 915 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:02,240 >> Yeah. 916 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,679 >> And it's been around for how many 917 00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:04,240 decades? 918 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,840 >> 2008. Yeah. Almost. Yeah. 919 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,200 >> Well, Farmington's been doing it for 920 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,640 quite some time as well, and they don't 921 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,840 have very many 922 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,600 >> when I was doing the research, which I 923 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,720 found fascinating. 924 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,159 >> Yeah. I mean, that will accelerate with 925 00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:17,760 Farmington's new programming, but 926 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,760 >> but they've been doing this 927 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,960 >> programming for quite some time. 928 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,320 >> Yeah. And quite a few cities actually 929 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,640 have. 930 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,600 >> Okay. 931 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,720 Yeah, I thought that was fascinating and probably will be a point of 932 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,559 information we may or may not use in 933 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:30,880 today's discussion andor decision if we 934 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,600 get to that. Um, 935 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,960 questions for staff. 936 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,679 >> Yes. 937 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:36,880 >> All right, Lorray, jump in. 938 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,640 >> I want to talk a little bit more about 939 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,799 windows. You were talking about that. I 940 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:42,159 first of all, I didn't catch who you 941 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:43,039 were speaking with. 942 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:44,399 >> Don Hansen, who is our building 943 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:45,679 official, our contracted building. 944 00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:48,720 >> Oh, okay. Okay. So, I I guess I just 945 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,039 need more clarification on the windows. 946 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,120 I just sort of wanted to open it up 947 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,279 again so that we could discuss it. 948 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,039 >> So specifically what he said his comment 949 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:00,559 just kind of in passing from his 950 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,799 perspective is if your setback minimum 951 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,279 is 8 ft from property lines even in the 952 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,760 rear yard that's your setback for your a 953 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,520 dwelling that's the minimum sideyard 954 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,520 setback in a dwelling. So why would you 955 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,040 eliminate operable windows on 956 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,800 the side of the building that's adjacent 957 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,760 to a property owner if on a home it's 8 958 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,919 ft? Now the counter to that is that a 959 00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,200 home doesn't go that far in the rear 960 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,879 yard setback. So I mean the home, you 961 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:31,119 know, it has to be set back I think it's 962 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,520 20 or 30 feet as rear yard set 20 ft as 963 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,440 rear yard setback minimum. So that's the 964 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,919 biggest differential to to counter his 965 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:42,639 comment. But um the idea is 966 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,760 if you do it on a home a main unit, do 967 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,839 you really want to make them inoperable? 968 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:49,119 And you could still even keep the 969 00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:50,960 translucent and just eliminate that 970 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,560 statement about inoperable in that 971 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,679 scenario. 972 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:54,960 >> Even at that, 973 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960 >> I think the reason what I recall from 974 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,280 the last meeting is the concern of 975 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,280 overseeing your neighbor, right? Nobody 976 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,560 needs to be looking at somebody else's 977 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,200 bedroom or something. 978 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440 >> And maybe if your window can open, sound 979 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,599 can emanate out of it possibly. That was 980 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,040 also part of the discussion, right? 981 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,040 >> I just thought that that was a good I 982 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,200 mean I liked what he said too, operable, 983 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,200 inoperable. And then I had mentioned in 984 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,119 my notes as well 985 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,720 >> about you know you have to have an 986 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,400 entrance and an exit for a bedroom, 987 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:22,880 right? 988 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,119 >> Yeah. And if you did if and as I as I 989 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:26,880 noted for the record and for those that 990 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,920 are here um if you have it as 991 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,079 inoperable, it still works because now 992 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,760 the burden will be on the property owner 993 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,359 that's in the DADU to make sure they 994 00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:37,119 meet fire and building code for 995 00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:38,880 appropriate matters of egress and 996 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,760 ingress into that that structure. 997 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,079 So you still they will be they will have 998 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,320 to build it to meet building code to 999 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,000 provide for that if the code restricts 1000 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,760 them having that access on that on those 1001 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,240 sides. So, is that a higher level of um 1002 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,000 kind of overseeing the windows if we're 1003 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 going according to fire and whatever 1004 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,200 building code or less? 1005 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,720 >> Basically, you're creating a zoning 1006 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,640 restriction that goes above what typical 1007 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,960 building code would otherwise allow. 1008 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,320 >> If it were to say 1009 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,760 >> if you were to keep it the way it's 1010 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,480 written, 1011 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,760 >> it goes above and beyond. 1012 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,359 >> Correct. Standard is what I'm saying. 1013 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:12,160 >> I see. 1014 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,160 >> Yeah. Correct. 1015 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,359 >> Okay. 1016 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,440 >> Can I ask a question that I probably 1017 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,040 should know? um for it to be an operable 1018 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,520 fire compliant egress. Um, is there a 1019 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,200 height level at which we say it's no 1020 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,760 longer operating? 1021 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,280 >> Here's my thought, right? Like you're in 1022 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,800 bathrooms and we see windows in 1023 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,480 bathrooms all the time and they're set 1024 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,720 5t above 1025 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:38,480 >> you can't use it anyway. 1026 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,560 >> Right. Right. But is there a possibility 1027 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,520 that rather than say, hey, inoperable, 1028 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,040 uh, we would say something like, hey, it 1029 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,880 has to be a minimum height off the 1030 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:47,359 floor. 1031 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:49,839 >> Yeah. I I mean I I would I would have to 1032 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:52,720 do research and obviously depending on 1033 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:53,760 what the direction of the planning 1034 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,760 commission was to bring back to planning 1035 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,920 commission or put whatever that one was 1036 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,920 into a recommendation with city council. 1037 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,119 The only thing I worry about obviously 1038 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,359 is a little bit of a timing crisis. 1039 00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,920 >> But but I can see the the logic and what 1040 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,079 you say. I just I don't know until I I 1041 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,000 ask the the specialists. 1042 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,839 >> It's a thought then maybe yeah depending 1043 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:13,359 on where we go it can be forwarded with 1044 00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:14,560 a recommendation that 1045 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,160 >> Yeah, I can see what you're saying that 1046 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,000 would make sense. Yeah, 1047 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,680 >> it would ameliorate a lot of the 1048 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,839 concerns I personally had about opening 1049 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,680 up a window and then just staring into 1050 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,560 somebody else's. 1051 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,040 >> Right. Don't want that. 1052 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:27,359 >> Yeah. 1053 00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:29,440 >> Aren't you When we say that you're 8 1054 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,440 feet off the property line, so that's a 1055 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,480 total of 16 1056 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,440 >> 16, right? 1057 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:34,160 >> Yeah. 1058 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,440 >> I mean, is are 1059 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,920 >> 16 feet? Wait, explain that to me, Paul. 1060 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,720 >> Because each could you get you got eight 1061 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,000 feet off the property line on both 1062 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,480 properties 1063 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,520 >> from the back 1064 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,720 >> and the sideyard? 1065 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,960 >> I thought sideyard was five. It's 8 feet 1066 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,720 on a a single family dwelling 1067 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:49,359 >> on a single family. 1068 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:50,640 >> If it's in if it's an accessory 1069 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,480 building, then it' be typically five 1070 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,920 feet. But we're talking about DADUs, 1071 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,119 which now we're making. 1072 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:56,640 >> Okay. So, we're still that's what 1073 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,680 >> So, we're talking a distance potentially 1074 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,280 >> 16 ft. 1075 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,240 >> So, so the fair question and and I think 1076 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,640 it's a point well taken. The reason I am 1077 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,160 concerned is that we're injecting 1078 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,160 additional units that weren't planned 1079 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,160 for when other homes were designed. 1080 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,040 >> Right. 1081 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,040 >> That was my concern. And yeah, it could 1082 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,960 have been designed originally in such a 1083 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,160 way that the homes could have been 1084 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,880 staring into each other's bathrooms. Um, 1085 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,280 I have one of those. I my bathroom 1086 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,920 window looks into my neighbor's backyard 1087 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,040 family window, family room window, and I 1088 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,470 don't like it 1089 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,160 » though. It [clears throat] is 16 ft. 1090 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,270 >> Yeah. 1091 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,640 So, how do we 1092 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,480 I mean, we need to further discuss it. 1093 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,320 >> Yeah, I think we should discuss when we 1094 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,760 get to that item. I think we should 1095 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,359 discuss it and figure out what 1096 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:50,720 everybody's feeling about that. 1097 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,800 >> Okay. So, when it comes back to us, is 1098 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,680 that what you're recommending? 1099 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,119 >> After the after the hearing. 1100 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:55,520 >> Okay. 1101 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,160 >> The public hearing. Um, any other 1102 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,000 questions for staff? [clears throat] 1103 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640 >> I had a couple questions. Um, and this 1104 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,920 is mostly just me not understanding, but 1105 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,520 uh there was a section, well actually 1106 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,359 you're already on a page of my second 1107 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,640 question. So on D right there, it reads 1108 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,079 only one additional entrance may be 1109 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,520 located on the wall facade that can be 1110 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,040 viewed from the public street. So is 1111 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,359 that saying you can have two entrances 1112 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:20,960 essentially like on the front of your 1113 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,720 >> like a detached ad you could have one 1114 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:24,560 entrance facing the street and one like 1115 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400 on the interior lot side? 1116 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,320 >> So this is reading that you can have two 1117 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,200 doors facing the street, right? Is that 1118 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,800 how I read it? 1119 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,880 >> Am I wrong? 1120 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,160 >> You have one additional entrance maybe 1121 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,760 located on the wall facade that can be 1122 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,440 viewed from the public street. 1123 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,400 >> So it's ask that's saying it one more. 1124 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:44,880 >> Right. 1125 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,640 >> I see your point with that. 1126 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560 >> So if you just took additional out could 1127 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,119 be removed. 1128 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:50,240 >> So only one entrance. 1129 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,240 >> Yeah. It should saying you can have one 1130 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:52,880 entry point. 1131 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,640 >> Yeah. That could be removed to clarify 1132 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,760 that. 1133 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,520 >> Good match. 1134 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,200 >> That's a good point though for sure. 1135 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,760 >> Okay. Yeah, super good. 1136 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,480 >> Um, and my first question, there's a 1137 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,760 couple times in there it mentions 1138 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,920 something about like essentially if 1139 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,240 you're not using the DADU anymore, then 1140 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,960 you have to like remove your kitchen. 1141 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:13,599 >> Yep. Well, 1142 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,200 >> I just want to understand that better. 1143 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,359 >> Kitchen sub connections with utilities. 1144 00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:19,599 So, that's in the internal ADU ordinance 1145 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,280 that we require that. So if anybody 1146 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,640 wants to disconnect, let's say they're 1147 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,800 they have a and then internal ID, we 1148 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,240 actually have one of these and Cindy's 1149 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,480 actually become a little bit of a an 1150 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,760 expert at this because we did one not 1151 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,760 too long ago, but you have to sever some 1152 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,240 basic service that gives it legitimacy 1153 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,240 as an ADU to then turn it back to like a 1154 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,160 basement that might have a kitchen in 1155 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,240 internal. So we to use that same 1156 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,240 language for DADU cuz what if you had 1157 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:45,680 someone which I don't know if this could 1158 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,599 happen but maybe a previous owner 1159 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,839 convert it to a DADU and the new owner 1160 00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,920 wants to put it back to more like a 1161 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,680 garage or a family room/g right. So what 1162 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,640 do you do that turns it back from DADU 1163 00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,760 so they don't have to meet compliance 1164 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,880 standards of a DADU? You you reduce some 1165 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,720 kind of utility connection or kitchen or 1166 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,920 something and you make them show proof 1167 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,520 of it. So would that like say I built a 1168 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,839 building and I just absolutely hate it. 1169 00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:13,040 I don't want to do it anymore. It's such 1170 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,160 a pain. 1171 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,800 >> I want to use this as like a guest house 1172 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,560 for people who come and visit. 1173 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,880 >> Does that mean I like am I not allowed 1174 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,160 to do that? 1175 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,560 >> Not by that code. Not not at least in 1176 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,040 you at least have to show some severance 1177 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,680 of that DADU allocation. 1178 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,839 >> So it can't be it cannot qualify under 1179 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:33,280 the definition of dwelling. 1180 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:33,680 >> Okay. 1181 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,040 >> Because you can't have two dwellings on 1182 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,839 a lot. 1183 00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,359 >> Yeah. And so you have to take something 1184 00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:39,680 out that makes it not a dwelling. 1185 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,680 >> So to that point, what does the verbiage 1186 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,839 say? Because I know Jackson, we talked 1187 00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:45,359 about this before. What does Jackson 1188 00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:47,680 have? They make them, 1189 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,520 >> but what does ours say? Because I don't 1190 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,240 remember. 1191 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:51,440 >> There's a few different things. 1192 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,119 >> Is it just options? 1193 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:54,880 >> Yeah, it gives it gives multiple options 1194 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,640 on a list. I'd have to find it right off 1195 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,960 the end, but it is in there. I read that 1196 00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,839 earlier today. 1197 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:01,520 >> Okay. 1198 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,240 >> See, 1199 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,720 >> it's towards the end, I think, but I 1200 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,839 can't remember. Excuse me. 1201 00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:08,160 >> Right there. 1202 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,240 >> Uh 12.58.8. 1203 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,160 Yeah, there it is. B. 1204 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,569 >> Yep, there it is. 1205 00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:14,880 [clears throat and cough] 1206 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,270 >> One more 1207 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,510 features 1208 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,520 » and you're good with that, Lisa? 1209 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,920 >> I have not spent a significant amount of 1210 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,359 time on this code text. This is what is 1211 00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,359 in the internal ADU ordinance. 1212 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:38,400 >> So, we're just basically copying and 1213 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,040 pasting. 1214 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,160 >> But I do agree with the needing a 1215 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,560 provision so that the guest house 1216 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,480 doesn't occur. That's the whole point, 1217 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,069 >> right? Okay. 1218 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,880 I will say that when um a building 1219 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,560 permit comes in and there is a kitchen 1220 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,920 identified, what I do is that I look at 1221 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,400 the applicant and or the application and 1222 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,079 make sure okay if there is a second 1223 00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,760 kitchen then they need to um sign a 1224 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,040 waiver that basically states hey there 1225 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,920 will not be we will not be renting this 1226 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,119 for anybody. This is a internal because 1227 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,599 obviously internal ADU. This is a 1228 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,720 internal um family use and there was 1229 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:30,800 actually a um a like a form that was 1230 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,280 created by Lisa a couple years ago that 1231 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,920 they still have to sign. So what we 1232 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160 would do most likely is that once that 1233 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,240 this would be passed, we would just 1234 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,480 bring that same form back to Lisa and 1235 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,319 she would just amend it to be a external 1236 00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:48,480 ADU form as well. 1237 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,200 >> That makes sense. 1238 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,720 >> And I think we may record those 1239 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,200 secondary kitchen because we don't want 1240 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,119 them to sell it and have the new owner 1241 00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,280 think that it's, you know, two dwellings 1242 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:57,760 or 1243 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,319 >> Yeah. 1244 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:00,480 >> So they have to get it notorized as 1245 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,440 well. 1246 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,359 >> Decommissioned Yeah. 1247 00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:06,480 >> Do you have some? 1248 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800 >> I have a couple more nitpicky questions 1249 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,800 and then I'll have a few more things. 1250 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,640 You know, recognizing a product of me 1251 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,079 not being here last time, a few other 1252 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,400 thoughts that I make more sense for the 1253 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,079 discussion piece. Um, on the definitions 1254 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:24,400 portion, um, section A, I'm just curious 1255 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,839 reading through this, at least to me, it 1256 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:30,480 didn't feel clear that the definition 1257 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,400 was specifically saying detached other 1258 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,560 than in the name itself. I don't know, 1259 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,720 maybe this is just me, but unit created 1260 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,880 and located externally to me could also 1261 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,480 read it as an attached ADU 1262 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,920 rather than being detached. But maybe 1263 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,599 that's just me. I I 1264 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,680 >> externally on the same property is what 1265 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:48,640 makes it detached. 1266 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,359 >> Yeah. So maybe 1267 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:50,800 >> see that consistently in other city 1268 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,079 codes as well written that way. 1269 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,440 >> Okay. Yeah. So that that's probably just 1270 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:53,760 me. 1271 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,440 >> That's the key term that says it. 1272 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,160 Otherwise, I mean it is it is an analog 1273 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,800 to internal ADU, but the key is located 1274 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,680 externally on the same. 1275 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,839 >> It's located externally there. Okay. 1276 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:05,760 >> And the definition also requires a 1277 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,560 single family dwelling to be existing. 1278 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,160 >> Yes. Start with a 1279 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,000 >> Yeah. As long as that's consistent with 1280 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,520 other codes, I think that that makes 1281 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,280 sense. Um, and then the other question I 1282 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,119 had more of a procedural one is the 1283 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:20,880 other applicable regulations and codes 1284 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,640 section at the very end 125810. 1285 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,440 Um, I just wonder if that's a section 1286 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,200 that's better served at the beginning 1287 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,599 because we reference a lot of the 1288 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:34,480 dependencies on those applicable codes 1289 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,720 throughout. 1290 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,319 Um, 1291 00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:41,920 I just wonder if having at the very end 1292 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,440 if it would make more sense to have that 1293 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,640 be more of a beginning thing to 1294 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,400 reference. Okay, everything needs to be 1295 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,839 consistent with these codes and then 1296 00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:51,839 break it out further from there. 1297 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:54,079 >> I don't know. I that's that's how it is 1298 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,960 I think in in organization as far as 1299 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,960 order. I believe it's in a similar 1300 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960 position in the internal ADU ordinance. 1301 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,880 Okay. Positioned here here. 1302 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,960 >> It's kind of like uh 1303 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440 >> all these permanent things and then this 1304 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,079 other stuff that's more basic needs to 1305 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,079 also be applicable. But I don't know 1306 00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,680 that it has to be that way. It just this 1307 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,760 is just mirroring the internal ADU to 1308 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,520 try to be in organized consistency as 1309 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,200 much as possible with its structure. 1310 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,160 >> Okay. 1311 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,480 Yeah. No, and I I I originally noted 1312 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,000 this as like I see it as perhaps a 1313 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,440 little redundant because we reference 1314 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,920 these codes throughout, but I think 1315 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,240 redundancy as long as it's consistent 1316 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,599 serves well in this case. It 1317 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,359 >> it's kind of and it's a catch-all of a 1318 00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:36,560 lot of things are already said before. 1319 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,240 It's just a reminder that hey, there the 1320 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,200 these other basic expectations with 1321 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,480 utilities and with impact fees and with 1322 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,560 um yeah, your codes that are going to be 1323 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,240 applied that you need to comply with. 1324 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,160 Also, I did note in there that I need to 1325 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,440 check with public director. I'm just 1326 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,280 going to quickly address that. Address 1327 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,280 the address. I did talk to the public 1328 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,720 works director and he's good with it as 1329 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,640 it's worded with that system. That is 1330 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,000 the system that he consistently applies. 1331 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,680 >> And then while we're on this section, 1332 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,280 just one uh question perhaps correction. 1333 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,319 Um is it construction code or is it 1334 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,480 building code? 1335 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,800 >> It they're synonymous. I mean they're 1336 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,640 the building it's building construction 1337 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,560 codes. It 1338 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,119 >> I can answer that. We if we capitalize 1339 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:23,839 construction and code, it is defined in 1340 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,000 title 10 of our municipal code to 1341 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,319 include all the building code, the 1342 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:30,880 plumbing code, the electrical code, the 1343 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,880 so it's a defined term in our code 1344 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,560 >> and that's what we mean. So I see here 1345 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,000 construction and fire codes, but 1346 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,200 essentially 1347 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,960 >> we just say construction codes and that 1348 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,920 means everything. 1349 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,040 >> Okay. Yeah, I had seen 1350 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,280 >> defined in that title 10 as to what 1351 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,880 which ones we've adopted. 1352 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,400 >> Okay. I had seen elsewhere in the code 1353 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,079 building. So then I can assume building 1354 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,160 is under the umbrella of construction. 1355 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,400 >> I thought we searched all those. Maybe 1356 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,800 that was just one of our things to do. 1357 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,839 But we would like to eliminate those you 1358 00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:01,599 know unless it's specifically talking 1359 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:03,839 but building code doesn't you know you 1360 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:05,040 still need to go are we talking about 1361 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,640 residential code and you know 1362 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,400 >> and even here I could scrape where it 1363 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,920 says regarding the building construction 1364 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,520 and fire codes. I could scrape building 1365 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,680 Lisa and just have say regarding 1366 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,119 construction and fire codes 1367 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:16,480 >> and then just would be an easy 1368 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,760 amendment. 1369 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560 >> Yeah. That would be take out that word 1370 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,280 building right there. 1371 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,160 >> It's only capitalized. 1372 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,000 >> Say construction and fire codes. 1373 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:24,319 >> Yeah. 1374 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:25,680 >> Rather than say building construction 1375 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,319 and fire codes, 1376 00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:26,800 >> right? 1377 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,119 >> And it needs to be cap I would say. 1378 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:29,760 Yeah. 1379 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,520 >> Should I capitalize construction and 1380 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,319 fire? 1381 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,319 >> Construction and fire codes. Yeah. 1382 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:37,040 Typically the term construction code. 1383 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,119 >> Make them a term. 1384 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:40,000 >> Okay. 1385 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,960 >> Building code. 1386 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,680 >> Good. 1387 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,680 >> Yeah. that that was something we talked 1388 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,920 about fixing so that we all know and we 1389 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,760 could also look at saying, you know, as 1390 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,319 defined in title 10 if it's not defined 1391 00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:53,200 in the zoning code. So, let's see. 1392 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,040 Sorry, now it's trying to search for 1393 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,280 building code, but 1394 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:08,309 um definitions. 1395 00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:10,319 Yeah, I don't see a definition of 1396 00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:12,880 building code. So, let's see if we 1397 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,680 define constru. Yeah, construction codes 1398 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,240 is defined and it's the construction 1399 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,760 codes adopted by the city in CMC 7.5, 1400 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,760 which is the fire regulation and CMC 1401 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,559 10.3, which are our construction codes. 1402 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,920 They may also be referred to as building 1403 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,760 code, fire code, or safety code. That's 1404 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,160 how we solved it. So, if you use any of 1405 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,599 those terms, you better go back to this 1406 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,040 definition and then it tells you where 1407 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,240 to go. Okay. Yeah. 1408 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:41,760 >> So then it's already taken care of. 1409 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:42,559 That's a good point. 1410 00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,440 >> I'll just amend out building and then 1411 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,839 capitalize construction and codes. 1412 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:48,400 >> Perfect. 1413 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:55,109 >> Good. 1414 00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:56,880 » And I'd probably say construction codes 1415 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,400 and fire codes. Okay. 1416 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,000 >> Just so that if you're searching for 1417 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,839 construction code, it will come up. 1418 00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:02,400 >> Okay. 1419 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,599 >> Yeah. 1420 00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:06,720 I guess one other question uh as well 1421 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,400 with regards to the uh parking 1422 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,319 requirement that's uh under section 1258 1423 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:16,079 uh 060 I 1424 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:19,920 um has staff done any research on on 1425 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,240 other comparable cities in terms of 1426 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,680 requirement of spaces for 1427 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,520 >> we don't have a choice this is state 1428 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,400 >> that's state okay language okay 1429 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,720 >> yeah even the tanum is state state 1430 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,920 required so I Can't take that out. It 1431 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,760 has We have to allow tandem and we have 1432 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,720 to allow up to 650 have one then after 1433 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,160 650 they can have two. 1434 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:40,880 >> Interesting. 1435 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:41,760 >> State required. 1436 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:42,720 >> Perfect. 1437 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,200 >> Yeah. 1438 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:49,510 >> I think that's on my end. 1439 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,079 » That's all. 1440 00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,880 >> Bane. What was the code section? It was 1441 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,559 >> that 1258 1442 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,079 >> additional entrance. 1443 00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,880 >> Oh, that one is 1444 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,040 >> 1258.070D. 1445 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,240 the additional entrance link. 1446 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,069 >> Thank you. 1447 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,920 » All right. Additional questions. 1448 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,670 Round two from anybody. 1449 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,359 Okay. So, um having sused that out, 1450 00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:20,880 let's go ahead and proceed to the public 1451 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,280 hearing phase. I'd invite any and all of 1452 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,440 you to come up to the microphone name, 1453 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:33,030 address, and then provide your comment. 1454 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,319 Good evening. My name is Carol Hendris. 1455 00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:40,079 I live at 740 North Main Street just 1456 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,480 down the road here. 1457 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,520 Anyway, I did listen to the entirety of 1458 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,240 well almost the very until the very end 1459 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:52,000 of your last meeting. So that was really 1460 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,079 helpful for me. We are hopeful to do a D 1461 00:51:56,079 --> 00:52:00,319 Aau or you know right but I don't know 1462 00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:02,160 that we will even be approved. We'll 1463 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,040 have to get a conditional use permit. We 1464 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,520 have a very narrow deep lot. It's um 1465 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,160 like 0.9 acre of an acre, but we have a 1466 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,640 flag lot and we'd have to put that 1467 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,640 detached unit like almost 400 ft back, 1468 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,599 which for utilities for our neighbor 1469 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:27,200 that we share the driveway would be 1470 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,440 terrible. And I know we're not talking 1471 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,480 about that today. That will be after it 1472 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,160 all gets approved. Right. 1473 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,960 >> Yes. So anyway, I'm just putting it out 1474 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,599 there that, you know, in Centerville, we 1475 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:43,359 don't all have the same type of law. And 1476 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:46,000 so, just please kind of put in the back 1477 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,640 of your mind that maybe everything is 1478 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,720 not going to look the same. Um, but can 1479 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,520 still be beautiful and still be nice and 1480 00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,079 a and a benefit to our community. Um 1481 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:04,000 the I really kind of agreed and and 1482 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,200 thought what you decided last time was 1483 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,280 really good. Um the one thing I had 1484 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,079 issue with or and it may not even be an 1485 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,480 issue but um if we are supposed to do up 1486 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,040 to a family um and at the very end we 1487 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,559 were talking about how big the the um 1488 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:30,480 unit could be and we were thinking oh 1489 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,000 1,200 is so big but if you put a family 1490 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,319 of four in an 850 square foot place. 1491 00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:40,559 That's the kind of place you go to for a 1492 00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,680 weekend or maybe a week on vacation. 1493 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,480 It's not some place you live for a year 1494 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,200 or two years renting. 1495 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,160 I looked up because I'm thinking about 1496 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,720 this stuff. I looked up the floor plans 1497 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,599 for 800 850 square ft. Your bedrooms are 1498 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,200 10 by 10. You have one bathroom with one 1499 00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,182 sink. You have a kitchen and a living 1500 00:54:08,182 --> 00:54:10,720 [snorts] room, but not really room for a 1501 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,319 kitchen table. I would just respectfully 1502 00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:17,040 ask you to consider following our 1503 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,520 neighbors. It it isn't going to be 1504 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,319 terrible. If they have allowed it, I 1505 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,480 think we can do it. And just because 1506 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,880 West Valley City 1507 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,599 says they're, you know, 850 square feet, 1508 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,040 when have we looked West Valley City for 1509 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,000 us? You know, that is not who we should 1510 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,359 try to emulate. Um, and as far as the 1511 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:47,280 windows open or closed, I mean, for sure 1512 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,800 I would suggest that bathroom windows be 1513 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,040 obscured, you know, with film or 1514 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,720 whatever. 1515 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,640 And the reality is we live close to each 1516 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,280 other. You know, I kind of have a little 1517 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,480 benefit because I got in a long time ago 1518 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,079 and got a lot. I'm from Wisconsin. This 1519 00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,559 is still small. What I have is still 1520 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,440 smaller than I want. But if you go by 1521 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,599 our house, you won't even see our house 1522 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,200 because we have planted trees. But in 1523 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,359 front we have a lovely lawn area that 1524 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:24,480 one day I hope will supplement our 1525 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,680 retirement income for a detached unit. 1526 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,079 Um, that is really it. I appreciate what 1527 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:36,400 you do. I appreciate the time and 1528 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,440 intelligence it takes to do what you do 1529 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,960 because I do not have that ability. I 1530 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,440 just know what feels good. And um I just 1531 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,880 respectfully ask you to remember that 1532 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,880 things are not going to be cookie cutter 1533 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,400 for everybody and that one day when I 1534 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,799 come before you asking for a conditional 1535 00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:03,119 use permit, you will consider it. And we 1536 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:05,520 understand if you say no, but please 1537 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,920 consider. Thank you. before you're done. 1538 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,920 Usually we don't have uh dialogue 1539 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,400 between uh members of the public, but I need to ask you a question because I'm 1540 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,319 not quite sure I understand your 1541 00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:17,359 comment. 1542 00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,920 >> So, I'm going to veer out of uh the the 1543 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,400 norm. 1544 00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,280 >> Totally understand. 1545 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,319 >> Um 1546 00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,960 >> you're saying that the flag lot causes 1547 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,440 an issue and that you've said that um 1548 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,400 odd lots need to be considered as part 1549 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,599 of our discussion. I'd like to 1550 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,760 understand that and I'd like to even 1551 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,760 just look at your lot later. Can you say 1552 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,200 your address one more time? 1553 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,920 >> 740 North Main Street. 1554 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:40,240 >> All right. 1555 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,240 >> And my neighbor who we share the 1556 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,200 driveway with is 720. All right. 1557 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,559 >> If you look at those two, you will see, 1558 00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,799 you know, in fact, we have our garage in 1559 00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:52,720 front of our house, which is totally 1560 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,680 against the rules, right? But when we 1561 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,480 came before asking for the permit to 1562 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,280 build it, it was easy to see that, you 1563 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,680 know, we had so much space in front. It 1564 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,520 just made sense. 1565 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,200 >> So, um, 1566 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:09,839 >> thank you. 1567 00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:10,640 >> Is that it? 1568 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:11,040 >> Thank you. 1569 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,559 >> I appreciate that. 1570 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:13,359 >> I'm conforming. 1571 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:20,309 >> Next, please. 1572 00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:23,040 » All right. So, my name is TJ Riley. This 1573 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,880 is my wife, Talia Riley. Um, yeah, if 1574 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,960 you don't mind passing those out. 1575 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,040 >> Hold on. Um, so what what are these 1576 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:31,839 things? 1577 00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:33,359 >> This it'll it'll basically everything 1578 00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:34,880 I'm going to talk about tonight, you're 1579 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,920 going to get a copy of 1580 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,040 >> Okay. We'll need to make sure that a 1581 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:38,559 copy gets into the record. So, you'll 1582 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,000 need to make sure that there's a copy 1583 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,200 for Miss Deise. 1584 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,079 >> Yeah. Originally, I was going to um 1585 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,359 Well, let me let me just kind of 1586 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:49,040 introduce myself. So, uh 1587 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,200 we have lived in Centerville City for 1588 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,640 years. We've raised our family here. Um, 1589 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,760 we border we we're on Chase Lane, so we 1590 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,160 border the school. We have an acre lot 1591 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,880 kind of like you [snorts] and uh 1592 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,680 >> anyways um I've actually come to city 1593 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,440 council before 1594 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,079 >> uh talking about the ADU 1595 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,599 ordinance because I knew 1596 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,119 >> sorry about I'm going to ask you to 1597 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:15,920 pause. 1598 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,559 >> I wasn't able to listen. 1599 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:20,960 >> I don't multitask very well. I'm so 1600 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:21,359 sorry. 1601 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:22,240 >> You're You're fine. 1602 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,040 >> I'm so sorry. 1603 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,559 >> You're good. You're good. What I was 1604 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:26,640 just saying is is we live on Chase Lane. 1605 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:34,559 We have an acre lot. Um kind of similar to her. Um and 1606 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:38,640 anyways, I uh I actually work for a 1607 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,280 city. I've done North Salt Lake City for 1608 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,240 23 years now. So, I understand 1609 00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,280 a lot of the process. um being involved 1610 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,799 that long, you kind of get to know 1611 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:51,280 certain things and how they go about. 1612 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,280 So, originally I was going to take this 1613 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,200 to city council, 1614 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,119 which I have before on the ADU thing, 1615 00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:58,960 and then I've been kind of watching 1616 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,040 because I know that it would come before 1617 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,280 planning commission before uh it would 1618 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,520 go to uh city council on recommendations 1619 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,520 of this new um ADU uh process that's 1620 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,839 going to be taking place throughout the 1621 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,799 state. And so I'm just going to kind of 1622 00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:17,200 read through this and kind of let you 1623 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,119 know you guys will have everything that 1624 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:20,880 I'm going to be talking about. So I want 1625 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,000 to thank you for the opportunity to 1626 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,240 provide uh input regarding the city's 1627 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,559 proposed accessory dwelling unit, the 1628 00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,559 ADU ordinance. I understand the 1629 00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:30,400 community's community develop 1630 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,240 development director has indicated the 1631 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,839 draft ordinance will follow the 1632 00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:35,839 requirements of state code. I also 1633 00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:37,200 understand the state code provides 1634 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,680 cities with options and how those 1635 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,359 requirements are implemented. and I 1636 00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:43,119 would like to provide feedback on those 1637 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:44,400 choices before the ordinance is 1638 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,359 finalized. 1639 00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:46,559 >> So, are you just going to read through 1640 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:47,119 this whole thing? 1641 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:48,880 >> Yeah, if you don't mind if 1642 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,359 >> I mean, normally I would uh not allow 1643 00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,400 this, but I'm we've got us we've got 1644 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,119 some time. 1645 00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:56,240 >> We want to hear. 1646 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,240 >> Yeah. And I would prefer if you could 1647 00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,359 summarize. 1648 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:00,000 >> Okay. 1649 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,640 >> But, 1650 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,559 >> um some of it is I'm not the best at 1651 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,480 memorizing either. So, I get it. So, 1652 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,359 I'll kind of I'll kind of go through. I want you to have your opportunity to 1653 01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:10,960 provide your comment and we want to hear 1654 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:11,280 it. 1655 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,240 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, 1656 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:19,359 a lot of this is um to do with with our 1657 01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:22,720 particular um situation. We have an acre 1658 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:27,839 lot similar to to her um and we've 1659 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:29,839 raised our family in it. We want to 1660 01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:34,880 build um and I have an acre lot. So, the 1661 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,559 land's expensive. I want to stay in 1662 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:39,200 Centerville. I want the opportunity to 1663 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,960 build on the back of my lot. And um 1664 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,040 really that that's kind of what this is 1665 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,839 about. I think when ADUs are talked 1666 01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:51,520 about, they are talked about in in the 1667 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,839 sense of an ADU is behind the home, the front structure, 1668 01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:58,880 >> and that's the biggest thing for me. So, 1669 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,920 um why don't you read I I mean number 1670 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,680 two pretty much addresses that point. 1671 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,520 I'd love to hear that. 1672 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,880 >> I think I think number number two 1673 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,040 and number four is going to be a touch. 1674 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,640 >> Feel free to address those how you like. 1675 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,680 >> Yeah. So, um really I don't want to I 1676 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,799 don't want to be limited um to have an 1677 01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:24,319 ADU in my back. What I would like to do 1678 01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:25,680 because everyone is in a different 1679 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,760 situation 1680 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,480 is I don't think ADUs should be at the 1681 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,480 sideyard or just in the backyard. I 1682 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,880 would like to turn my front home into my 1683 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,720 ADU and I want my back home or my the 1684 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,079 back property to be my main home. I 1685 01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:46,240 think that um you know there's things 1686 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,079 are getting to be more expensive over 1687 01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:50,960 time and I have four kids. I have two 1688 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,720 parents that will need at some point. Um 1689 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,960 I want him to be living closer to me so 1690 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,200 I can take care of them and um 1691 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,720 >> and he's an only child. 1692 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,799 >> Yeah. So I don't really I can't kick 1693 01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:05,119 them down to brothers and sisters, 1694 01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,240 right? I'm not that's not my 1695 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,640 opportunity. So, um, and I'm not going 1696 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,640 to put them in in a in a home. So, they will be mine. And I'm that's what I 1697 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,559 plan to. And so, I I'm really just 1698 01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,960 hoping that 1699 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,240 uh planning commission can be 1700 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,880 open-minded to all situations. And 1701 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,520 whether you have a a big front lot or or 1702 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,960 a side lot, I think that 1703 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,200 um 1704 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,160 I think that kind of and I'm just kind 1705 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,760 of trying to summarize this the best I 1706 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,520 can. Feel free you to read a part that 1707 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,799 you'd like. Okay. Um 1708 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:46,000 what else is this? Not do not limit ADUs 1709 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,559 based solely on the rear yard placement, 1710 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,599 requiring ADU an ADU to be located only 1711 01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,079 behind an existing home creates unequal 1712 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,319 opportunities for property owners. Many 1713 01:02:56,319 --> 01:02:58,480 lots are not deep enough and accommodate 1714 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,119 a rear yard ADU, while other properties 1715 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:02,960 may have wider lots or homes that have 1716 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,599 already been positioned uh farther from 1717 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,920 the street. A property owner with a 1718 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,920 shallow but wide lot or a home with a 1719 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,280 different existing layout should not 1720 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,280 lose the opportunity to create an ADU 1721 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,039 simply because of where the current home 1722 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,359 sits on the property. The primary 1723 01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:19,359 concern should be to ensure appropriate 1724 01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:22,000 setback safety compatibility with 1725 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,599 surrounding properties not requiring 1726 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,319 every UD every ADU to be placed in the 1727 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:28,319 same location. An ADU can be 1728 01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:29,920 successfully located in the front side 1729 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,920 or rear yard as long as the required 1730 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,760 development standards are met. 1731 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,480 >> Can I ask you what your address is? 84 1732 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,319 West Chase. 1733 01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:40,960 >> Very good. 1734 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,000 >> All right. Excellent. 1735 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:42,319 >> Yeah. 1736 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,960 >> And then um number four, it kind of 1737 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,720 talks and I just want to hit on this and 1738 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,119 I I respectfully uh request the city 1739 01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,319 avoid over restrict restrictive limits 1740 01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:55,599 on ADU size. The maximum allowed ADUs 1741 01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:57,920 should size should not be smaller than 1742 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,760 what many existing homes in the city 1743 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,680 already provide. more balanced approach 1744 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,119 would be to consider the size of the 1745 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:04,400 property when determining the 1746 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,440 appropriate ADU size. Smaller lots had 1747 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,839 should have appropriate size or scaled 1748 01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:12,240 ADUs and larger lots should have the 1749 01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,520 ability to accommodate larger ADUs. 1750 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,480 Um, and that's just kind of, you know, 1751 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,000 that's kind of my thoughts. Awesome. And 1752 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,240 there's a lot more. I I 1753 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,680 >> So I didn't I haven't given this to the 1754 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,280 city council, but I've given uh another 1755 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,640 document to them. I had really good um 1756 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,480 responses. I feel like there was a ton 1757 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,720 of support when I came in. I believe I 1758 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,440 came in in February. Talked about ADUs 1759 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,599 because I knew they were coming and I 1760 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:43,039 just feel like it uh it's the 1761 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:44,480 appropriate time to bring this stuff up 1762 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:49,119 now. there's no sense um you know draft 1763 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,520 drafting things and then having to 1764 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,520 revisit and draft something over and 1765 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,520 over again. So I feel it's just 1766 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,920 important this is the time to talk about 1767 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,839 it so they can be addressed and we catch 1768 01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:03,200 things early on in the situation. So, 1769 01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,960 what I'm probably going to ask staff to 1770 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,520 do later in this meeting is um we're 1771 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,200 probably going to pull up your lot and 1772 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,280 talk about it because here's what 1773 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,799 happens and and and Miss Hendris, 1774 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,319 you should also know this and I'd invite 1775 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:17,839 you to have an opportunity. We're going 1776 01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:18,960 to be talking about your lot. If you 1777 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,480 want to tell us anything about it now, 1778 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,079 that'd be fine. But once we close the 1779 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,799 public hearing, your commentary is not 1780 01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:26,240 going to be accepted anymore. 1781 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,839 >> You just have to watch us bumble our way 1782 01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:29,119 through it. Is there anything you'd like 1783 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,559 to tell us about the lot when we 1784 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,079 consider it later perhaps in the 1785 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:34,160 meeting? 1786 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,559 >> Um, well, I think there's been talk 1787 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:39,839 about um, you know, maybe a flag lot 1788 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:41,440 would be better. I don't really want a 1789 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,799 flag lot. Um, doesn't make sense. I 1790 01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:48,400 would like to uh, upsize my utilities 1791 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,240 that I have that are already in and so I 1792 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,480 don't have to cut into the road. I don't 1793 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,319 have big impact fees. Um, 1794 01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:00,240 I would rather do what I can with um, 1795 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,319 utilities that are that are already 1796 01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:03,920 there. 1797 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,520 Um, and then I have a side I have a side 1798 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:13,200 little it's a it's a gravel road that I access to the very back of my lot. 1799 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:18,240 >> Um, so I I think those are probably the 1800 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,359 >> the things that I would want you to 1801 01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:19,680 know. 1802 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,599 >> Thank you. It borders the school and 1803 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,440 then the other property has what two 1804 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,520 acres where she has sheep and then 1805 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,880 >> Okay. 1806 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,240 >> Thank you so much you guys. Wonderful 1807 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,520 comments. We appreciate that. 1808 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:29,920 >> Thank you. 1809 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,119 >> Miss Hendricks, if you wanted to come 1810 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,559 back, we're probably going to talk about 1811 01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:34,000 your lot, too. If there's anything you'd 1812 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,160 like to tell us for our consideration, 1813 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,680 and remember, we're not approving your 1814 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,000 guys' lots. I know you know this. I know 1815 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,920 you know this. We're just using them as 1816 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,839 potential exemplers as we consider 1817 01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:48,240 everything. All right. You pull this up. 1818 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,359 >> Yeah. 740. Go down. Just 1819 01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:55,029 >> right there. 1820 01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,319 » Yeah. 740 and then 720 1821 01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:01,280 where the 720 is. 1822 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,960 >> Oh, right. On. Can 1823 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,680 >> I have you in either or? 1824 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,319 >> Yeah. 1825 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,559 >> I just want to be 1826 01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,839 >> Thank you. 1827 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:16,960 >> How cool. Okay. So, yes, we have our 1828 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,200 dear neighbors. We love them and we're 1829 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,160 so grateful to have great neighbors cuz 1830 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,200 we there's no way to really fence this 1831 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,599 off from each other. Okay, so our 1832 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:31,440 driveway comes right in here. Um, our 1833 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:36,000 home, this is the garage and then this 1834 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,960 is our home and there's a parking pad 1835 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,400 over here. 1836 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,960 So why? And you know, it seems like, oh, 1837 01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,119 we've got quite a bit of space back 1838 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,160 there, but like I said, we would have to 1839 01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:55,200 take utilities up through our um 1840 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,400 driveway all the way through in front of 1841 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,920 our neighbor's home into this back, 1842 01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,920 which is almost 400 ft. It goes 400 ft. 1843 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,440 It would have to be there where the 1844 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,400 garden is. And that would be we don't 1845 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,359 really want to irritate our neighbor. We 1846 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:17,600 don't want to make his their lives 1847 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,480 worse. And 1848 01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:24,239 you can maybe see that. Anyway, here 1849 01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,319 from the sidewalk to our garage is over 1850 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,799 70 ft. Like 78 ft, 75 ft, something like 1851 01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:34,799 that. 1852 01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:37,440 Can you figure that out? Oh, 87 feet 1853 01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,359 from the sidewalk. We were being 1854 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:44,239 generous. And then from the driveway 1855 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:50,560 over to our property line is like 90 ft, 1856 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,910 80 ft. I don't know what you 1857 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,400 » with 1858 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,440 >> 74 1859 01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:02,799 >> 74T. So that is plenty of space. We 1860 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:05,839 could we could pull back 30 feet from 1861 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:09,040 the road. 30 feet from the road. Use the 1862 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,400 shared driveway. Um so that they would 1863 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,480 be going in this way 1864 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,080 >> to park 1865 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:17,520 >> and we could have a nice little 1866 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:24,080 entrance. um as you consider the um 1867 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,040 unconventional 1868 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,159 D- Aud whatever it is anyway as you 1869 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:34,799 consider that um I think for Centerville 1870 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:38,560 we want to think about how it looks 1871 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,359 you know we've all seen things that have 1872 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,880 been built that have been like how did 1873 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,319 this ever happen it's such an eyesore I 1874 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,640 bet you all know who I'm talking about 1875 01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,839 and it's like how did that happen? But I 1876 01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:56,960 don't know if you guys can 1877 01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,760 who does that but when we put forth our 1878 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,840 um plans, you know, we should be able to 1879 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,040 say is does this fit the 1880 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,480 >> community? Okay. 1881 01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:11,040 >> Thank you, sir. 1882 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,199 >> Anyway, thank you. 1883 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:16,719 >> All right. Um great public hearing. um 1884 01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:18,400 when we close down the public hearing 1885 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,920 that then at that point you guys are 1886 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,560 observers and no longer have commentary 1887 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,719 from the audience. Um I just want to be 1888 01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:26,000 clear. Anything else you guys want to 1889 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,159 say before I close? 1890 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,000 Okay. So I'm going to close the public 1891 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,440 hearing and bring it back to the 1892 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:34,560 commission. Um fascinating. 1893 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:34,960 >> Yeah. 1894 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,120 >> I had I mean this is a good example of 1895 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,239 where it's just um you have just sort of 1896 01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,080 an inherent 1897 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,480 uh it's not inherent. Is it implicit or 1898 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,480 inherent bias? 1899 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:47,600 Can't remember. I always get those 1900 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,320 confused. Implicit bias. Inherent bias 1901 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,280 that you don't even think about adus in 1902 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,159 the front yard. 1903 01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,440 >> Yeah. Right. 1904 01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:56,960 >> Fascinating. 1905 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,199 >> Well, we did speak of them last time. 1906 01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:00,080 >> I didn't even like 1907 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,440 >> but not in a configuration. 1908 01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,840 >> Not in like I didn't even think of 1909 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,080 something like this because and and this 1910 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,440 is a question I have for staff. That 1911 01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:09,120 would be considered Miss Hendrick's 1912 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,600 front yard. Correct. 1913 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,600 and and that's an accessory building and 1914 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,280 it's basically 1915 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,040 >> if it's being used as an accessory 1916 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,760 building there would have to be probably 1917 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,000 some kind of legal non-conformance 1918 01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,400 established for it its existence 1919 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,800 >> is that per state code or what is that 1920 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,480 >> it's even city code because technically 1921 01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,400 it's not even complying as it currently 1922 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:30,880 stands 1923 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,040 >> you're talking about the garage 1924 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,360 >> well my understanding is not using the 1925 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,960 garage as a conversion I had understood 1926 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,640 her to say that she 1927 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:39,840 >> well I'm just saying even with a 1928 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,280 conversion which they're they're 1929 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,520 entitled to state code. 1930 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,560 >> If they could prove the legal 1931 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,159 non-conformity, then they could actually 1932 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:47,920 convert that existing structure to a 1933 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:48,960 DADU. 1934 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:49,280 >> Got it. 1935 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,719 >> Because state code requires us to allow 1936 01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:52,719 for those kind of situations. 1937 01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,800 >> My question though is if you build a DA 1938 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,840 in the back, who's to say that my myself 1939 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,440 as the primary residence, I don't move 1940 01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:00,480 to the back unit, 1941 01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:01,280 >> right? 1942 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:02,480 >> And then put tenants in the front. 1943 01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:04,400 >> Dakota actually lets you you do that. 1944 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,560 >> Which one is smaller? Accessory tends to 1945 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:07,760 be something that 1946 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:10,320 >> okay so the back counts the DU has to be 1947 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,920 smaller than the main primary 1948 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,600 >> well it doesn't it's whatever you 1949 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,840 regulate whatever you decide as as a 1950 01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,920 city right city as a planning commission 1951 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,040 and city council right but uh currently 1952 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,520 one of the issues um and and I have 1953 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:24,800 talked to the writings on the phone as 1954 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,640 well and talked about this is the 1955 01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,400 definition of accessory building as it 1956 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,440 currently is established is rear yard 1957 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,120 structures 1958 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,800 >> they can't be placed in the sideyard or 1959 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,199 the front yard in current code. So you'd 1960 01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,040 almost have to create a explicit carve 1961 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,000 out of DAD accessory structure that's 1962 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,239 unique from accessory structure and then 1963 01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:47,120 define it differently if you wanted to 1964 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,040 allow them to be used in the sideyard or 1965 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,239 the front yard 1966 01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:51,840 >> and then that opens up a huge can of 1967 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,840 words. It just become the question 1968 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,719 becomes yeah what what would be the 1969 01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:58,159 perspective of that where is that 1970 01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:00,239 applied how would that be utilized do we 1971 01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:02,560 now have to create new regulations so I 1972 01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,560 mean any at that if we go there that's 1973 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,040 what that discussion looks like is what 1974 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,320 does the regulation for that look like 1975 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,719 then because now you're not you're not 1976 01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:12,400 attaching it to that definition of 1977 01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,520 accessory structure creating a brand new 1978 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,679 carve out um one of the other 1979 01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,480 alternatives and I'm going to kind of 1980 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:24,880 clarify a statement that was made about coming from from me. I had a 1981 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,480 conversation with the city manager about 1982 01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:29,760 this and we have some timing deadline 1983 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,840 and his commentary was with the timing 1984 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,040 deadline that we need to get a code to 1985 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,760 the council and in place by October 1st 1986 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,040 and if we get too caught up in creating 1987 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,040 all these external special circumstances 1988 01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,880 or new regulations that slows that down 1989 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,320 to where we probably will not hit our 1990 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,560 compliance timeline. And so the comment 1991 01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,470 in here about the community development 1992 01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:51,679 [clears throat] director indicate draft 1993 01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:52,640 ordinance will follow the requirements 1994 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,640 of state code. That's from the city 1995 01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,320 manager trying to protect the city's 1996 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,159 interest in getting an ordinance in 1997 01:13:58,159 --> 01:13:59,440 place by October 1st 1998 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:00,239 >> for the state. 1999 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:01,920 >> Yeah. For the state. His comment was 2000 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,560 then we could still go back and look at 2001 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,840 the regulations and further tweak the ordinance thereafter if there's some 2002 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,800 substance to what we heard tonight. Mhm. 2003 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,719 >> We have that opportunity, but we need to 2004 01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,000 get something in place at least by 2005 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:17,840 October 1st that we can then re-evaluate 2006 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,640 thereafter. Um, even to the point where, 2007 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,960 as evidenced by the Riley's, there's 2008 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,199 some discussion with the city manager 2009 01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,080 and even talking to legal about do we 2010 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,239 even dare talk about flag lots or infill 2011 01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:31,920 lots? Is that something we want to even 2012 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,760 think about as the housing nature of the 2013 01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,320 city evolves and we have property that's 2014 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,120 kind of, as you can see, internally 2015 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,679 landlock and hard to develop. When did 2016 01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:44,320 we like say when did we ban flag lots? I 2017 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,080 know that we did allow them 2018 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:47,760 >> and then we didn't allow them. 2019 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,040 >> Then we did then we didn't. 2020 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,640 >> Yeah. Do we know when the last 2021 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,840 >> Lisa probably is the one with the 2022 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,400 institutional memory that 2023 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,480 >> 2000? 2024 01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:59,760 >> Um it would be in the 2025 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,440 legislative history I think. 2026 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:02,159 >> Can you define 2027 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,080 >> I don't spot Lisa. I just don't 2028 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,440 obviously know 2029 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:06,000 >> Amanda 2030 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,520 >> right off the bat. So maybe we'd have to 2031 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:08,800 do some research. 2032 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,080 >> I don't know. I'd have to I can look 2033 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,320 while you chat, but it's been a while. 2034 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,159 >> So, so I mean those are some of the 2035 01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:16,480 layered implications of the commentary 2036 01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:18,000 that you you received during the public 2037 01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,239 hearing. 2038 01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:19,440 >> Laorray had a question if you don't 2039 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,520 mind. Oh, yeah. Define a flag lot. 2040 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,760 >> Flag lot would be going to have you have 2041 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,080 a stem, right? This like 2042 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,040 >> it's a flag lot. 2043 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,719 >> That's there's one right there. You have 2044 01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:31,440 a stem that's legally existing and 2045 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:32,880 typically has to be wide enough to 2046 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,520 accommodate some kind of fire vehicle or 2047 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,040 emergency vehicle if it needs to get 2048 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,360 back there. And then you have it still 2049 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,960 be wide enough and big enough to be 2050 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,880 developed for a housing structure. 2051 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,480 Right. That's a flag lot. 2052 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:44,960 >> Thank you. 2053 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,440 >> And and some in other states I've worked 2054 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:49,600 in the stem can be as narrow as 13 ft. I 2055 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,520 think that's the the minimum size that 2056 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,199 allows emergency vehicles to still get 2057 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:53,760 back there. 2058 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,679 >> We see a lot of these on Main Street. 2059 01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:57,199 >> Yeah. And that's that's what's 2060 01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:58,480 interesting, right? when you think about 2061 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,080 the history of what we're talking about 2062 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,600 and I don't want to step in this cuz 2063 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,640 this is definitely a different 2064 01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,080 discussion but 2065 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,880 >> but there's been right allowance but you 2066 01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,159 were saying though allowance not 2067 01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:08,880 allowance 2068 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,280 >> maybe we get this through so we hit the 2069 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,719 deadline and then we can go back and 2070 01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:13,360 discuss 2071 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,880 >> that was just a conversation that the city manager suggested could be a 2072 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,120 way to look at it or again you go back 2073 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,679 in and modify it after October 1st even 2074 01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:22,960 if you got something to approve October 2075 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,640 1st we meet the state deadline 2076 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,440 >> we can still haveations 2077 01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,840 and further now modify and refine it to 2078 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,239 get it right again for situations like 2079 01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:35,280 this if that's the the desire of 2080 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,480 >> plan commission and council to have 2081 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,239 those conversations. 2082 01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:39,199 >> Thank you. 2083 01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:40,960 >> I mean I wish the time frame wasn't as 2084 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,880 tight as it is and I know otheries have 2085 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,080 been asking for these kind of 2086 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,360 conversations since February. So 2087 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,630 >> yeah, 2088 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:58,320 » Mason, I think one and I I think the the code from the state 2089 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,000 envisions 2090 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,400 subdivisions in the typical they really 2091 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,480 don't look at older communities that 2092 01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:10,640 have different types of lots and and 2093 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,520 configurations. I mean, 2094 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,360 I'll take my subdivision. You know, this 2095 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,560 works really well in my subdivision, 2096 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:22,159 >> but it does not work well on Chase Lane 2097 01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:24,000 where there are a lot bigger lots and on 2098 01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,560 Main Street, uh, 2099 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,239 which which those lots have been there 2100 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:31,920 forever. So, 2101 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,040 >> um, 2102 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,880 >> and they're definitely big enough to 2103 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,159 accommodate. They are, 2104 01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:37,920 >> you know, they've got the space for 2105 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,640 sure. But I think the code that the what 2106 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:46,239 the Utah code is envisioning more 2107 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:47,920 I don't want to say a cookie cutter type 2108 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,159 subdivision in some ways in in the way 2109 01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,800 it's been written and in some ways what 2110 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,600 the way we've addressed it 2111 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,800 but it's good to hear that there are all 2112 01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,640 there there there are other issues out 2113 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,239 there that we haven't even thought 2114 01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:03,280 about. 2115 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,040 >> Yeah. 2116 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,960 I just see as a real estate broker, I've 2117 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,440 seen home prices get higher and higher 2118 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,520 and like literally starter homes are 2119 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,560 gone sadly. 2120 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:13,360 >> Yeah. 2121 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,440 >> And people are having to resorting to 2122 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,640 renting indefinitely. And it's I I'm a 2123 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,040 firm believer on the American dream and 2124 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,360 I started at 21 with my first property 2125 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,840 and it literally changed my entire life 2126 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,280 just having that opportunity. It wasn't 2127 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,640 a big place. was like 800 square feet, 2128 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,120 you know, but from that spot, I was able 2129 01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,000 to build equity and just go from there. 2130 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,800 So, 2131 01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,800 >> which is good. But you also realize that 2132 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:40,000 these can't be sold, right? 2133 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,679 >> Oh, 100%. Yeah. We're not doing what 2134 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,280 Farmington. Yeah. I'm just saying just 2135 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:51,110 getting a start, you know? 2136 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,480 » What do we want to do? 2137 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,239 >> Yeah. Great questions. 2138 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,239 >> Great questions all around. I I think we 2139 01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,480 should explore a little bit more um in 2140 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:00,400 case people have sort of differences of 2141 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,960 opinion about any particular things. 2142 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,280 From what I'm hearing, um we've got at 2143 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,920 least two of those uh to discuss and 2144 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,560 we're in the midst of talking about um 2145 01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,800 what do we do about odd lots and as a 2146 01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,040 correlary, do we do we do that now or do 2147 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,760 we do it later? Um the other one is 2148 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,719 windows. Um, we've sort of circled 2149 01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:23,920 around that and I've I've heard 2150 01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,239 different opinions. So, let's start with 2151 01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,560 that. What What Anybody have a really 2152 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,679 strong opinion about windows that would 2153 01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:35,120 be facing the closest 2154 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:40,080 uh boundary from the ADU? 2155 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,840 Would we leave it to like the discretion 2156 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,199 of the person that's taking occupancy as 2157 01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:46,800 far as window treatments or things of 2158 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,280 that nature or is that 2159 01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,280 >> No, we're talking about like whether the 2160 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,840 windows it couldn't be the discretion of 2161 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,840 the renter. It couldn't be them and have 2162 01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,120 >> are we do who would like Let me just do 2163 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,360 it this way. No, no, no. You're great. 2164 01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,520 Uh who would who does not like the 2165 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,600 restriction that uh we had been 2166 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,679 discussing which is um that it be 2167 01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:09,920 frosted of some sort or inoperable? 2168 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,520 >> Well, we'll do an operable next. 2169 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:12,800 >> Yeah, that's what I was going to say. 2170 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,960 >> Does anybody not like the translucent 2171 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,000 requirement? 2172 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,040 >> I think it's fine. 2173 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,440 >> I think that's good. 2174 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:20,880 >> I mean, yeah, I have that was in all my 2175 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:21,520 platforms. 2176 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,480 >> Okay, so translucent is not really a a 2177 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,080 point of code. Yeah. 2178 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:27,760 >> Operability. 2179 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,159 Where are we at? Um, I think people 2180 01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,320 should have windows that should open. 2181 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,480 That doesn't mean all of them, but you 2182 01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:36,800 need fresh air. You You need that 2183 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:37,840 circulation. 2184 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,080 >> Well, and if it's an egress for a fire 2185 01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,400 egress, then that definitely would have 2186 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,400 a safety that that's another that's fire 2187 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:44,960 code, right? 2188 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,320 >> That's that's my bigger concern with 2189 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:48,640 inoperability is is the egress side of 2190 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,440 it. But in addition, yeah, I I guess I 2191 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,440 don't see the purpose in having them be 2192 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,199 inoperable, particularly if we have the 2193 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:58,000 correct spacing. Mhm. It sounds like 8 2194 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,080 feet is the minimum spacing. 2195 01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,920 >> I think that last time, did you watch 2196 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:02,719 our meeting? 2197 01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,560 >> Uh, I didn't. I just read the minutes. 2198 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,080 >> Okay. So, I think it was part of the 2199 01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:08,640 discussion was if you get renters back 2200 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,920 there, you don't know. Like, for 2201 01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,760 example, I mean, I have six kids. If I 2202 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,480 were to get some of some of my kids back 2203 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,320 there, I don't want to hear what's 2204 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,080 coming out of their window, right? Like, 2205 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,760 I don't want to hear that music. The 2206 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,600 neighbors don't want to hear it. And you 2207 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,440 can't control that. I mean, the city has 2208 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:25,520 limits on, you know, 10 p.m. or 2209 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,000 whatever, but other than that, you can't 2210 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,360 do anything about it. So, it was just 2211 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:30,960 kind of about that and noise and 2212 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,199 different things. Am I 2213 01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,920 >> Yeah, my primary 2214 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,600 >> I don't know if I can't remember if I 2215 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,440 was the primary uh engine on this, but 2216 01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:44,000 >> I was trying to address the um 2217 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:49,120 discomfort that I feel could occur when 2218 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,920 you're putting in additional housing so 2219 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,639 close to potentially somebody else's 2220 01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:56,639 housing and then just staring at each 2221 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:58,800 other. And that if we don't, 2222 01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:59,120 >> right, 2223 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:00,480 >> if that's not a big deal, then it's not 2224 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,560 a big deal. But I I find personally some 2225 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,159 discomfort in that regard 2226 01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:06,080 >> and the inoperability was my attempt to 2227 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,360 address that. However, there may be 2228 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,040 other ways to skin this cat. And it 2229 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,840 could also be that operability 2230 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,320 um this isn't as big a deal as I may 2231 01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,400 feel. So because I'm hearing a fair 2232 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,120 amount of you that are pretty much it's 2233 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,080 okay and that's fine, right? 2234 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,360 >> Well, I think it's good, but I think it 2235 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,120 also needs protection, too, right? like 2236 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,440 we bought our home and we have a fence 2237 01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:30,800 and we have our neighbors, but we're 2238 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,239 closer than I'd like, 2239 01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:33,520 >> you know, in the back lot, but it is 2240 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,520 what it is. And then if they were to add 2241 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,880 something, that's a whole new level of 2242 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,280 noise, sound, whatever. 2243 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:42,320 >> Right. 2244 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:46,880 >> So, I I don't know how to um come to a 2245 01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,800 middle ground 2246 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:49,760 with this. 2247 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,360 >> Well, the height that I had suggested 2248 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:52,960 earlier might be, but that's going to 2249 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,480 include some reddraft, and we we're on a 2250 01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:58,880 uh time clock. 2251 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,679 I would say that um one way to fix it is 2252 01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:05,840 allow operable windows at a minimum uh 2253 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,199 at least with a minimum height. Um but I 2254 01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:13,199 also wouldn't want to take us out of the 2255 01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:14,960 um 2256 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,600 allowances that fire code would require 2257 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,280 for a fire exit, 2258 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:20,719 >> right? 2259 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,400 >> Because bathroom windows, those little 2260 01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,199 bathroom windows ain't going to qualify, 2261 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:26,880 >> right? And they're also mostly not 2262 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,159 operable. 2263 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:29,760 >> I was thinking something more along the 2264 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,560 lines of uh you know like four or five 2265 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,280 feet up potentially, but I don't I don't 2266 01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:39,120 know if that's going to qualify. 2267 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:40,639 for 2268 01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:42,639 fire egress. 2269 01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:43,440 I don't know. 2270 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:46,080 >> I mean, can we require some sort of like 2271 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,719 screening that can only be seen like you 2272 01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:50,400 can't see through the screening 2273 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:51,600 >> the translucent glass? 2274 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:52,960 would be fine. 2275 01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:53,440 It's just 2276 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,120 >> No, I'm talking the screening. So, you 2277 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:56,400 can open the window, but then you have a 2278 01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:57,600 screen that can't be seen through 2279 01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,199 either. 2280 01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:00,639 >> Users want more noise. 2281 01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:02,639 >> A ridiculous suggestion. I don't 2282 01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:04,400 >> That's a No, then that's a fair fair 2283 01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,159 point. It funny enough, I actually more 2284 01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:10,000 I'm I'm discomforted by starting to 2285 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:11,440 micromanage in that regard. 2286 01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,600 >> Yeah, I agreed completely. 2287 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,320 >> But 2288 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,040 >> I'd like a simple rule, but at the same 2289 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,120 time, it may not be 2290 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,719 >> ruable at this juncture. 2291 01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:27,120 Mike or Lisa, do you guys have any 2292 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,280 thoughts or input, you know, regarding 2293 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,159 legalities and city codes? 2294 01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:36,320 >> Just your honest thoughts really. 2295 01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:37,840 >> Well, I do agree with the building 2296 01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,600 official. You know, if you're putting 2297 01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,480 similar setbacks to 2298 01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:45,120 primary dwellings, why are we regulating 2299 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,239 that? I think air flow and light is 2300 01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:51,120 important to the quality of life. I 2301 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,520 think a lot of these structures can have 2302 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,159 lights, you know, like a little higher, 2303 01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:57,760 those little lights that you just put 2304 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,120 up. People aren't actually looking out 2305 01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,440 of them. So, I think it's problematic to 2306 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:05,360 regulate windows, but that's my 2307 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,440 >> personal opinion, not a legal opinion, I 2308 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,040 should say. I don't know why I said 2309 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:09,600 that, but 2310 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,360 >> that that strikes a chord with me 2311 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,120 actually. And and now I'm going to, like 2312 01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,440 any good attorney, argue the other side 2313 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,280 um against myself. [laughter] 2314 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,159 Um, 2315 01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:22,800 if Bountiful only has 27 that were 2316 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,280 injected over the last two decades, are 2317 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,719 we really all that afraid that we're 2318 01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:28,239 going to get a flood of these? Probably 2319 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:28,880 not. 2320 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,719 >> Well, however, there wasn't so much of a 2321 01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:33,280 need 20 years ago, right? There's more 2322 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,239 of a need now, 2323 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:35,840 >> but it's also more difficult. 2324 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,159 >> It's It's still so prohibitive. 2325 01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:39,440 >> You still have to figure though the cost 2326 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:40,719 of building one of these. They're not 2327 01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:42,400 cheap. I looked into it. It's like 2328 01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,800 $120,000 for 850 ft. That's a lot. 850 2329 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:48,159 square feet, you're maybe gonna get 2330 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:49,440 $1,100. 2331 01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:49,679 >> Yeah. 2332 01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:51,120 >> It's gonna take you a minute to pay that 2333 01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:52,960 off. 2334 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:53,760 >> What was your comment? 2335 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,320 >> No, I was gonna say, and if you look at 2336 01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,199 the even the state ordinance, I mean, it 2337 01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:02,239 it's it's pretty prohibitive. 2338 01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,400 I mean, this is pretty tight on how you 2339 01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,360 can build it and what you can build, uh, 2340 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,360 and how many people are really going to 2341 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,280 jump on that to do it. I, you know, may 2342 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:18,159 surprise us. I I don't know, but I I'm 2343 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:21,120 in some ways I'm not too concerned. 2344 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,199 As far as attached dwelling units, how 2345 01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:26,800 many do you know how many we have in the 2346 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,400 city? 2347 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:32,639 >> We have 24. I think we have 24 2348 01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:33,840 >> 24 2349 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:34,560 >> attached. 2350 01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:34,960 >> Yeah. 2351 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,560 >> Dwelling units, which is basement. 2352 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,239 Basically basement. 2353 01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:41,120 >> Pretty much all of them are basement. 2354 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,639 24 that you know of 2355 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:44,320 >> that we were already they did [laughter] 2356 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:45,760 they did what they're supposed to and 2357 01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,320 already 2358 01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,719 >> um can you remind me Mr. in the code. 2359 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:53,199 Did we draft it uh to include a 2360 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:54,480 provision that the windows be 2361 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:55,600 inoperable? 2362 01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,960 >> Yeah, it's right there in front of you. 2363 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,320 >> Yeah. Oh, sorry. I've got my 2364 01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,239 >> It's fine. It's fine. But but we could 2365 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,000 if we were to amend it, we could say 2366 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,920 shall be translucent or shall be 2367 01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,760 installed skylights. It would be a 2368 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:06,800 simple amendment. 2369 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,000 >> Yeah. 2370 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,239 >> I just I really have a hard time 2371 01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:11,600 internally 2372 01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:12,080 >> Yeah. 2373 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,159 >> telling someone they can't have operable 2374 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,000 windows 2375 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,639 for a living quarter. And I understand 2376 01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:19,760 all [clears throat] of our reasons and 2377 01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,920 we talked about it till we're like blew 2378 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,600 in the face last night. 2379 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:24,159 >> Yeah. 2380 01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:25,600 >> I just feel that's like super 2381 01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:26,400 restrictive. 2382 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,000 >> Let's move on. And I think we've we've 2383 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,239 circled this one enough if that's okay. 2384 01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:30,639 >> Yeah. 2385 01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:33,830 >> Um 2386 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,920 » what? Oh, sorry. 2387 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,840 >> Are there any other topics that we would 2388 01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:39,679 like to talk through before we open it 2389 01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:41,199 up for a motion? 2390 01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,760 >> I do want to hit still. Whoops. I try to 2391 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,560 move and I can't. I do still want to 2392 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,280 talk about occupancy limit. I I need to 2393 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,040 know are we just going to keep it as two 2394 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,120 adults and any number of children? Are 2395 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,400 we going to do per city definition of 2396 01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,199 family? I mean I that could be easy. Are 2397 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,679 we going to do per state code whatever 2398 01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:03,760 that I reference? What what what should 2399 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,679 I put in that cell? 2400 01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:08,159 >> So I wrote notes of single family 2401 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:11,600 designation to talk about that. Can we 2402 01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:13,600 >> can you pull that up or can you tell us 2403 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,920 exactly what that is? how that is 2404 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:16,960 worded. 2405 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,320 >> It was in that email podcast. 2406 01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,239 >> This one from a legal standpoint, it is 2407 01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:22,080 a lot easier if you just stick with our 2408 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,120 definition of family. 2409 01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:26,000 >> That's why related and unrelated. Yes, I 2410 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,400 think it gets very tricky when you start 2411 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,719 trying to define 2412 01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,000 >> number of people, 2413 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,880 >> but I do get, you know, it's a smaller 2414 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,520 home, but many homes use 2415 01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,600 to do that. 2416 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,080 >> And so, do we match? I'm trying to 2417 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,960 remember now. Do we match state 2418 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,239 >> the state again? 2419 01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:47,280 >> Is that what you sent me 2420 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,840 >> there? Well, C does, right? C matches 2421 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,040 what I sent you, 2422 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,560 >> but there has been and I don't know if 2423 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,600 it's still in force the same definition. 2424 01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,600 I I I think we can still rely on our 2425 01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,239 city code cuz this this was required of 2426 01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:02,159 all cities to match this definition. I 2427 01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:04,239 don't know, it was like six or eight 2428 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,480 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago. 2429 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,120 >> So that that definition is very 2430 01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,960 evergreen from city to city for a 2431 01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:12,719 definition of family. 2432 01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:14,320 But for whatever reason, I couldn't find 2433 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,600 it in state code where I did the 2434 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:16,639 research. But I found that one I 2435 01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:18,960 provided, which again matches term C. 2436 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,639 >> Well, I'm comfortable with that and I 2437 01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:22,800 like what the city already has. 2438 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,000 >> I don't think that we should try and 2439 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,199 micromanage that more. 2440 01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,840 >> Okay. So, I just put per definition of 2441 01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,560 family in 12.12.040. 2442 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:30,960 >> Okay. 2443 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,440 >> My opinion is yes. I 2444 01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:34,560 >> consensus. 2445 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:35,360 >> Yeah. 2446 01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:36,639 >> We've already defined it. 2447 01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:39,600 >> I think that works well. 2448 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,719 >> Makes Lisa happy. 2449 01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:42,159 >> Yeah. said it did. 2450 01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:43,360 >> That's all we want. 2451 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,440 >> That's all we ever want. 2452 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:47,920 >> Okay. And then I have a few things that 2453 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,679 I can probably refine with you, Lisa. 2454 01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:52,159 Just um some terminology things relative 2455 01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:53,760 to again those those continual 2456 01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,520 inclusions. I guess I could just modify 2457 01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,920 them where it's referencing state code 2458 01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,920 10- 2459 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:04,239 20-303 or 10-20- 10-21-303. 2460 01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:05,679 Just take those out, but then try to 2461 01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:07,440 word smith it in so it still works. Is 2462 01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:08,719 that okay with you? Mhm. 2463 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:10,320 >> Is that okay with the council or the 2464 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:11,679 planning commission if I did that? 2465 01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:14,159 >> We'll see. [laughter] 2466 01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:16,159 >> I think we do need I need to do some 2467 01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,639 research on um Yeah. Are you talking 2468 01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:19,760 about the lean provision? 2469 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:20,159 >> Yeah. 2470 01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:20,639 >> Okay. 2471 01:30:20,639 --> 01:30:22,480 >> That is exactly what I'm talking about. 2472 01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:23,520 >> Okay. 2473 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,000 >> And then my final one is right there 2474 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,800 where it's at. Um existing building and 2475 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:30,560 detach ADU conversion. And I left it in 2476 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,960 pink because I believe that was the will 2477 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,840 of the the planning commission to excise 2478 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,440 all that stuff except for that brief 2479 01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:39,840 statement just saying, "Hey, if if we 2480 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,560 need to verify an existing building as a 2481 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:47,120 non-conforming structure, we have that opportunity after or if it was 2482 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,760 permitted prior to October 1st, 2026." 2483 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:50,000 >> Yes, 2484 01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,120 >> that's what I remember the discussion 2485 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:51,440 being. 2486 01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:51,840 >> That's right. 2487 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,360 >> Then taking out guest house and all that 2488 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,639 craziness after. Right. 2489 01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:55,520 >> That is correct. Yeah. 2490 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:56,560 >> Okay. 2491 01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,159 >> That's all I have then as clarification. 2492 01:30:58,159 --> 01:30:59,760 I need administratively. 2493 01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,760 >> While while we're on this page though, 2494 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,880 um should it be 1258090? 2495 01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,040 >> Yes, that's a typo in there. Okay. 2496 01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,520 >> Yes. 2497 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,520 >> Stupid little things. 2498 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:17,590 >> That's why you're an engineer. 2499 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,239 » Okay, perfect. That gives me what I 2500 01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:23,669 need. 2501 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:26,560 » I feel like I I just want to speak up a 2502 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,800 little bit. um about the configuration 2503 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:35,120 of lots. After just talking with 2504 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,679 residents who've asked me, giving me 2505 01:31:37,679 --> 01:31:40,400 phone calls and sent emails, 2506 01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,880 I want to just put this out here that I 2507 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,120 think conditional use permits, I don't 2508 01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,400 know whether or not they um would be the 2509 01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:54,000 proper tool to regulate. I don't know 2510 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,840 what health, safety, and welfare 2511 01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,679 standards we could regulate with 2512 01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:02,080 conditional use permits. Um, but Miss 2513 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:06,320 Hendris and I have talked and one of the 2514 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,320 reasons why she brought up conditional 2515 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,719 use permits is because I said the 2516 01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:18,960 possibility of um like where the ADU 2517 01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,199 would be placed. That should be 2518 01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:23,440 something that 2519 01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:28,400 um she could bring up. So, I wanted to 2520 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,639 clarify for Miss Hendrickx as well as 2521 01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:33,840 the planning commission that 2522 01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,040 um during our discussion if it came out 2523 01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,199 that I said that it would be permitted 2524 01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,080 as a conditional use permit. Okay. Okay. 2525 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,920 Just wanted to make sure and put that on 2526 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,880 the record. With that being said though, 2527 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:52,800 my feelings as a planner still go with I 2528 01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,960 think that 2529 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,239 it would be a great tool for the 2530 01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,639 planning commission as well as residents 2531 01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:02,960 and the planning staff to have if we 2532 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,800 could look in the future at tying a 2533 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,880 conditional use permit to the placement 2534 01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:14,320 of um ADUs in rear or inside yards and 2535 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:18,000 or front yards just based on how old the 2536 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,239 lots are in Centerville. I think that um 2537 01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:25,920 Paul, you hit on it really well that the 2538 01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,800 state is generalizing for subdivision 2539 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,280 lots. There are a lot of lots here in 2540 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,600 Centerville that are not part of a 2541 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,360 subdivision. 2542 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,800 Um so I I just wanted to throw that out 2543 01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,199 there. Whether or not that sticks, 2544 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:45,120 that's okay. But I the reason why we are 2545 01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,639 allowing for a detach accessory dwelling 2546 01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:52,159 units is to allow for residents and home 2547 01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:54,719 own homeowners to have um that 2548 01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:57,520 additional income and I think that we 2549 01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,760 are cutting a big a big portion of the 2550 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,080 population out for that but 2551 01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,840 >> okay thanks for that input. Yeah. 2552 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,000 >> Um, as I understand it, and Lisa, this 2553 01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,600 is a question for you, conditional use 2554 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,400 would not be an allowed tool for that 2555 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,239 because it'd be more of a variance than 2556 01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:14,159 a conditional use. Is that is that fair 2557 01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:14,880 to say? 2558 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:15,360 >> Yes. 2559 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:16,560 >> Because what you're doing is you're 2560 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,120 conditionally using the conditional use 2561 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:19,920 code 2562 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,239 >> to uh violate the code 2563 01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:24,159 >> is what it would essentially be doing. 2564 01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:26,719 And in that way, you'd need a variance. 2565 01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:28,320 >> But I don't like variances either. 2566 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,920 >> I hear what you're saying. Okay. No, 2567 01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,040 that makes sense. So, the reason I 2568 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,040 mentioned that and Lisa, I'm curious if 2569 01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,960 you have a difference of opinion on 2570 01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:37,280 that. 2571 01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,280 >> No. Well, I think that conditional use 2572 01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:41,679 permits are problematic and they're I 2573 01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:44,000 prefer other tools either regulate 2574 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,920 specifically or 2575 01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:46,719 >> not at all. 2576 01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:49,199 >> Yeah. Or a variance or allow for flag 2577 01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:52,080 lots. You know, there's a lot of other 2578 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,239 tools that address 2579 01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:55,440 >> those situations. 2580 01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:57,520 >> That's exactly why I asked that. So, um, 2581 01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,679 pulling it back to the commission with 2582 01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:02,000 all of that said, I'll lay out sort of 2583 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,040 just my position and then let's just go 2584 01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:09,520 from there. Um, I love the idea of uh 2585 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,280 expanding our definitions and 2586 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,080 regulations to allow for oddballs like 2587 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,760 we've seen today. 2588 01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,520 >> And at least in in both of those, I 2589 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,159 could definitely see the utility in 2590 01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:22,239 allowing an ADU in the positions as 2591 01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:25,840 proposed. Um 2592 01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,360 I do share um Mr. Egget's reservations 2593 01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,960 about creating a subcategory of an 2594 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,280 accessory building given that accessory 2595 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,199 building is already defined to exist 2596 01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:42,080 only in the rear yard. However, I wonder 2597 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,440 if we couldn't create a carveout in the 2598 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:48,000 DAT ordinance that something something 2599 01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,560 along the lines of notwithstanding 2600 01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,760 definitions to the contrary, daddos may 2601 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,760 be allowed in front and side yards, 2602 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,199 something like that. So, we don't create 2603 01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:01,440 a new category. We just simply say that 2604 01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:03,520 even though the definition 2605 01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:07,280 >> has limited it to this, we are expanding 2606 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:11,360 that to say that notwithstanding 2607 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,120 definitionally 2608 01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,520 datos may be allowed in front and 2609 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:16,239 sideyards 2610 01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:17,600 >> and then you'd have to create a list of 2611 01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,360 regulations that regulate that. 2612 01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,280 >> True. But you I would just say that 2613 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:22,719 you're going to regulate it sort of in 2614 01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,120 the same way except for I mean never 2615 01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,000 mind I'm I'm talk you're you're stream 2616 01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:29,199 seeing my stream of consciousness. 2617 01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:30,719 You're right. There's a problem in front 2618 01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:32,000 yards 2619 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,440 >> with all of the setbacks and everything 2620 01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:33,840 else 2621 01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,199 >> because some front yards may not 2622 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:36,320 accommodate it. 2623 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,199 >> Correct. For sure. 2624 01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:41,120 >> And not only that, but the law of 2625 01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:42,560 unintended consequences, 2626 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,239 >> which then you have to create like lot 2627 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:46,480 certain lot distinctions, which maybe 2628 01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:48,000 both their lots would meet that lot 2629 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,199 distinction, but this is what I talked 2630 01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:50,159 about earlier. You have to figure out 2631 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:51,280 what that is. 2632 01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:51,679 >> Yeah. 2633 01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:53,840 >> So, there's certain criteria that match 2634 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,560 to then allow for those allowances. 2635 01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:57,920 >> Sid, will you pull up our variance 2636 01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:58,800 ordinance? 2637 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,280 >> Please. Thank you. 2638 01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,920 My concern is that if this were to come 2639 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,239 forward on a variance stat uh standard, 2640 01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:08,320 I think that it would be rejected both 2641 01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,239 of these potential 2642 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:11,520 >> ADUs that we've talked about. Now, 2643 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,119 obviously, we're making no adjudication 2644 01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:15,119 or anything on these particular homes. 2645 01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:17,199 I'm using this as an example only. 2646 01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:18,320 >> Why would it be rejected? 2647 01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:19,600 >> Cuz it doesn't fit. 2648 01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,000 >> Well, so my understanding of our 2649 01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,920 standards of variance, where's our 2650 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:25,440 standards 2651 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:27,280 of review, aren't there? I mean they 2652 01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,280 could yeah they could put it elsewhere. 2653 01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,520 >> Yeah. So the literal enforcement of the 2654 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,119 provision would cause an unreasonable 2655 01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:37,040 hardship that is not necessary to kill 2656 01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:39,040 out the general purpose. There are 2657 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,800 special circumstances attached to the 2658 01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,159 property that generally not I could see 2659 01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,159 that passing. Granting a variance is 2660 01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:45,679 essential to the enjoyment of 2661 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:47,520 substantial property right enjoyed by 2662 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,960 others. 2663 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,560 >> Maybe the variance will not 2664 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,239 substantially substantially affect the 2665 01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:53,840 general plan. Fine. The spirit of the 2666 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,000 title reserve. So, here's here's the 2667 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,000 analysis as I see it. If you're putting 2668 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,199 something in the front yard and because 2669 01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:02,639 it's too expensive to put it in the 2670 01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:04,159 backyard, you're not going to pass this 2671 01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:06,880 standard. It's not the little 2672 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,719 enforcement would cause an unreasonable 2673 01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:12,560 hardship. Cost in the case laws, and I'm 2674 01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,400 not giving legal opinions. I'm just 2675 01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:15,679 saying it from my position. 2676 01:38:15,679 --> 01:38:17,679 >> Well, yeah. Look at clause two. It says 2677 01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:18,320 what you just said. 2678 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,560 >> Cost is cost is not a sufficient 2679 01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:21,199 hardship. 2680 01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:23,760 >> Clause two says that. Mhm. 2681 01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:26,320 >> So, um if you have alternatives, then 2682 01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,199 you're supposed to take those 2683 01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,440 alternatives before you get a variance. 2684 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:31,600 >> Yeah. 2685 01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:32,719 >> Right. 2686 01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:35,280 >> And think of it this way. If it can't 2687 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:37,199 fit in your backyard, but it can fit in 2688 01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:39,679 your front yard, then the ordinance has 2689 01:38:39,679 --> 01:38:41,280 written has already written you out. So, 2690 01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,400 you can't invoke I think 2691 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,040 uh essential to the enjoyment that is 2692 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,040 possessed by other property. Just 2693 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,560 because other properties get ADUs in 2694 01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:51,840 their backyard doesn't mean you get one 2695 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,880 in your front yard. 2696 01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,040 >> At least strictly according to that. 2697 01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,639 >> Yeah. That's why I don't know if 2698 01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,320 variance is the right tool. 2699 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,119 >> It is not. 2700 01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:01,520 >> Yeah. 2701 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,760 >> The variance is not in Jackson. I'm 2702 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,040 going to go back to that. No, it would 2703 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,119 completely defeat the purpose of, you 2704 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:10,000 know, state law mandating that we allow 2705 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,960 DADUs and it would Yeah, I I think the 2706 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,560 city would regulate more strictly in 2707 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,800 >> So, Lisa, 2708 01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,960 is there do you think and shoot from the 2709 01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,400 hip, right? We're just shooting from the 2710 01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,199 hip. Is there a tool that we could use 2711 01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,280 potentially to address these oddball 2712 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:28,159 situations? 2713 01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:30,480 >> Yes, but we don't have time right now. 2714 01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:33,520 staff can certain Oh, well the tool on 2715 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:34,880 one of them 2716 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:37,679 >> well yeah I don't know I don't know 2717 01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:39,760 >> without commenting specifically on these 2718 01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:40,239 two 2719 01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:42,080 >> I mean I think Centerville has a lot of 2720 01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,119 very long lots and the tool that's 2721 01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:48,639 needed for those is infill flag lot 2722 01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:51,840 >> and staff has you know supported I will 2723 01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:54,480 say supported flag lots I would love to 2724 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:56,639 look at um because we have a lot of 2725 01:39:56,639 --> 01:39:58,719 underutilized properties and that would 2726 01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:01,679 be a reasonable way to do it and you can 2727 01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:04,639 and and a flag lot is not a tool 2728 01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:07,199 mandated by state law. So we can say we 2729 01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:08,800 want it this big, we want it this far 2730 01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:10,400 from the you know I mean we can still do 2731 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,800 that with dads but you're also not 2732 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,960 restricting the size. It's not an 2733 01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:17,679 accessory. Um, you know, so 2734 01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:19,040 >> and you can actually build a single 2735 01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,960 family home essentially if it meets all 2736 01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:21,520 the requirements, 2737 01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,440 >> right? And so if they want I mean this 2738 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:25,119 would help with the Riley because if 2739 01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:26,000 they want a bigger home, it 2740 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,679 >> doesn't have to be a,200 foot home. 2741 01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:29,600 >> A flag lot would allow that. 2742 01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:31,440 >> So you basically have two homes or two 2743 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:32,239 properties, 2744 01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,320 >> right? And you know, and I think that 2745 01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,800 the flag lot may be more persuasive now 2746 01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,520 that with one acre lot, you can have two 2747 01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:40,320 dwellings. 2748 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,880 >> Mhm. So you're not prohibiting anything 2749 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,520 by allowing a flag lot creating 2750 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,239 >> and then you do although you have two 2751 01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:49,760 larger buildings you know 2752 01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:54,080 >> I would love to but again it's the 2753 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:55,840 >> any of these are you know building in 2754 01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:57,280 the back and how you're impacting your 2755 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:58,880 neighbors but 2756 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,440 >> property develops and you could have 2757 01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:04,320 someone 8 feet away from you depending 2758 01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,320 on if somebody can get a road in you 2759 01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,239 know so having that expectation of 2760 01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:09,920 privacy in your backyard is not 2761 01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,800 necessarily realistic. I know it's not a 2762 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:13,600 popular 2763 01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:14,880 >> Yeah. 2764 01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,440 >> But it's realist, but 2765 01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:19,440 >> good points. 2766 01:41:19,440 --> 01:41:22,639 Okay. So, um going back to sort of my 2767 01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:26,639 list, um the occupancy I'm hearing were 2768 01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:30,480 generally uh mostly aligned at least on 2769 01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:31,840 uh the definition of family being 2770 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:35,280 incorporated from city code. 2771 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,520 um [snorts] 2772 01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,760 the uh MITs that we talked about 2773 01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,560 earlier, the capitalization of 2774 01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,600 construction, the um [clears throat] 2775 01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,280 1258070, 2776 01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:51,040 the phrasing for additional entrance 2777 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,320 >> removing that. 2778 01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:53,920 >> I think that was it. No. 2779 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,239 >> And then my comments my three comments. 2780 01:41:56,239 --> 01:41:58,480 >> Sure. Sure. I meant like that we had 2781 01:41:58,480 --> 01:41:59,920 >> Okay. I just want to make my three 2782 01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:01,440 comments at the beginning. I request 2783 01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:03,040 that those be included. 2784 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,760 >> And then there was also the may be on 2785 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,920 the two-3. Is that what you're 2786 01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:09,280 >> refering? That's one of them. Yeah. 2787 01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:10,000 >> Okay. 2788 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,280 >> The other one is where applicable 2789 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,679 enforcement provisions and the other is 2790 01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:16,800 changing the citation a minor 2791 01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,920 >> the the 2792 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:20,960 point4 instead of 2793 01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:24,229 >> Yeah. 12.58.040 2794 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:27,245 two or three. 2795 01:42:27,245 --> 01:42:29,119 [clears throat] Okay. 2796 01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:31,520 I'm gonna have to Has anybody been 2797 01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,140 assembling these? Because mine spread 2798 01:42:33,140 --> 01:42:34,480 [laughter] out all over my notes. 2799 01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,080 >> Oh, we want to see your attorney. 2800 01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:37,840 >> Oh, this is start. 2801 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:42,550 >> I have my own scribbles over here. 2802 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,750 » 58.040B2 2803 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,639 has a wrong a wrong reference. 2804 01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:51,520 >> What? And also in regards to the tiny 2805 01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,520 homes, we were going to add your extra. 2806 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,280 >> Yeah. And if you want me to add language 2807 01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,119 regarding removal of an axle. 2808 01:42:57,119 --> 01:42:58,080 >> Yes. Yeah. 2809 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,320 >> And it has to be permanently attached. 2810 01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:02,159 >> And there is language that I can easily 2811 01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:04,000 get from pretty much any city. 2812 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:04,400 >> Yes. 2813 01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,880 >> We just don't have it currently. 2814 01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:08,639 >> So, 2815 01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,560 >> all right. We're doing it live. 2816 01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:11,760 >> Um I think so. 2817 01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:13,520 >> We're going to start. This is I'm going 2818 01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,280 to make a motion 2819 01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:17,119 >> and my motion is going to be constructed 2820 01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:19,280 together 2821 01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,719 and I'm going to make a motion 2822 01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:24,719 eventually that I will move for, but I'm 2823 01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:26,159 not making it now. We're just building 2824 01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:26,851 it. 2825 01:43:26,851 --> 01:43:27,440 >> [laughter] 2826 01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,280 >> Um, 2827 01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:30,719 and it's going to be something along the 2828 01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:32,639 lines here where it says detached 2829 01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:35,440 dwelling units amending blah blah blah. 2830 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,360 But in addition to what is in the staff 2831 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:43,109 report, we're going to say number one. 2832 01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:45,600 And Sid, I may need you to pull up 2833 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,280 >> these as we go. Let's start with 2834 01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,470 12.58.070. 2835 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:54,070 » 12.587 [snorts] 2836 01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,280 » 070. 2837 01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:56,639 >> Yep. 2838 01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:58,880 And 2839 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,880 um where's the entrance? 2840 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,280 >> Article C. Oh, the entrance is D. 2841 01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:04,400 >> But there's only D. 2842 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,239 >> So subd. 2843 01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,960 So I'm going to propose that subd 2844 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:09,840 >> one entrance 2845 01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,239 >> modifies its language such that 2846 01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:15,920 >> just say it deletes the 2847 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,040 >> removes the word additional. 2848 01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,239 >> Right. That's what we agreed on. 2849 01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:22,629 >> That it removes the word additional. 2850 01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:27,189 Number 2851 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:28,880 two, 2852 01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,480 that the occupancy definition in which 2853 01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:33,760 where's that section, guys? 2854 01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,920 >> Right. It's that table. She was on it. 2855 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,600 >> Oh, go back. 2856 01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,920 >> Table 12.58. 2857 01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:40,719 What was it? 2858 01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:44,390 >> 120701-1. 2859 01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,000 occupancy 2860 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,239 be defined 2861 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:51,199 to incorporate 2862 01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:54,639 >> the uh city's definition well I'll just 2863 01:44:54,639 --> 01:44:55,920 say the definition 2864 01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,400 >> count in 12.12.040 2865 01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,480 >> 12.12.040 040 2866 01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:03,360 >> as currently written 2867 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:04,639 >> uh family 2868 01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:06,320 >> right 2869 01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:10,790 >> okay number three 2870 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:14,960 um the scriveners error on 12.58.190 2871 01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,360 should be 090 2872 01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:18,800 >> correct 2873 01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,719 >> and what did we did we make any other 2874 01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:27,109 changes in inside that substantively 2875 01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:29,119 » that one had to 2876 01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:30,639 Nothing I have noted. 2877 01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:32,159 >> Okay. 2878 01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:39,189 >> And um 12.58.110 2879 01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:42,239 sub C 2880 01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:42,800 >> down 2881 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,800 >> or sub one maybe. 2882 01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:45,520 >> Yeah, 2883 01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:46,560 >> it is sub one. 2884 01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,600 >> Construction fire code. Is that it? 2885 01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,239 >> Yeah. [snorts] 2886 01:45:52,239 --> 01:45:57,679 that the um language be revised to say a 2887 01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:59,840 detached ADU shall be subject to all 2888 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:02,560 related regulations regarding the 2889 01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,719 capital construction code 2890 01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:08,560 as adopted by the city and state 2891 01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:09,280 >> codes. 2892 01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,760 >> Oh, codes. Thank you. The capital C 2893 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,480 construction capital C codes striking 2894 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:16,560 the language. 2895 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,960 >> Do do we need to have fire code too or 2896 01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,119 just construction code is fine? It 2897 01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:22,000 covers it. 2898 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,199 >> It covers it. Okay. 2899 01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:24,480 >> Yep. As long as you capitalize the 2900 01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:25,280 construction. 2901 01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:25,600 >> Okay. 2902 01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:29,440 >> Do we should we also be adjusting the title of that then? Construction and 2903 01:46:29,440 --> 01:46:31,280 fire codes to just say construction 2904 01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:32,400 codes. 2905 01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:35,040 >> Oh, the title of one. Yeah. 2906 01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:36,560 >> Well, 2907 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,800 yes and no. I mean, it seems like we've 2908 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,159 se we 2909 01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:41,360 >> And you can say both if you want. 2910 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,600 Construction codes and fire codes both 2911 01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,119 >> because we're talking about dwellings 2912 01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,600 and that's fine. The problem I think 2913 01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,360 could be run up against is some creative 2914 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:50,880 lawyer is going to say, "Yeah, but they 2915 01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,400 took out fire codes deliberately and 2916 01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,880 that meant something." 2917 01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:55,679 >> See that, too? 2918 01:46:55,679 --> 01:46:57,280 >> Yeah. 2919 01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,239 >> Um, so we'll just say construction codes 2920 01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:02,480 and fire codes. 2921 01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:04,000 Um, 2922 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:06,239 but it's going to be capital C's. Are we 2923 01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:10,239 going to capital F and C, the fire code? 2924 01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:12,000 >> Yeah. And I only say that because I 2925 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,320 think the fire code 2926 01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:15,760 we 2927 01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,159 I'd have to see if we reference in title 2928 01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:22,719 10, but we do adopt it in a different 2929 01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:24,639 section. I think our public health and 2930 01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:26,719 safety, 2931 01:47:26,719 --> 01:47:30,950 let's see, fire regulations. 2932 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,320 Yeah, in title seven we adopt. Okay. 2933 01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,080 Inter Yeah, the international fire code 2934 01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:37,600 as more particularly adopted. Oh, in 2935 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,080 title 10. Okay, so we're good. So, it is 2936 01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,440 included in construction codes. 2937 01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,360 >> We'll catch it eventually. 2938 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,040 >> Okay. So, construction codes and fire 2939 01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,199 codes is what that's going to read. 2940 01:47:47,199 --> 01:47:48,800 Striking building construction and fire 2941 01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:53,590 codes. Um, 2942 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:57,600 we did the occupancy limit. We did 2943 01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,280 >> I'm sorry. I I know. I don't know what 2944 01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:00,320 I'm missing. Someone jump. 2945 01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,159 >> You're missing windows. We're missing 2946 01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,000 that two to three. Maybe we're missing 2947 01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,840 the tiny house verbage. 2948 01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,679 >> Okay, let's go through those slowly. 2949 01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:09,679 Where where's the window section? 2950 01:48:09,679 --> 01:48:13,270 >> 12.58.070C. 2951 01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:17,119 Removing the term fixed inoperable. 2952 01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:21,040 So we'll say shall be translucent 2953 01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:25,199 is what the recommendation was. 2954 01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:26,800 But you're the one constructing the 2955 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,239 motion. So for sure I don't want to put 2956 01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:30,320 words in your mouth. 2957 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,960 >> Be translucent 2958 01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:34,239 >> and just drop everything else. 2959 01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:34,480 >> Yep. 2960 01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:36,960 >> No skylights. We're just taking shall be 2961 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:37,840 fixed nonop. 2962 01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:39,119 >> Yeah, I was just saying just drop 2963 01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:41,199 >> by everything. 2964 01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:43,600 >> Sorry. fixed, nonoperable, and will be 2965 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:44,400 stricken. 2966 01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,040 >> Okay. Okay. And then and then you leave 2967 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:50,480 it in translucent or shelby. Okay. Good. 2968 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:52,719 >> Uh what was the next one? Thank you. 2969 01:48:52,719 --> 01:48:55,360 >> Um you're welcome. We had that the tiny 2970 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,199 homes for extra verbiage. And we also 2971 01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:59,760 had the two-3. 2972 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,320 >> We were changing just 2973 01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:04,639 >> which section 2974 01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:06,080 >> I'm trying to get to the the 2975 01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:07,840 establishment. Hang on. 2976 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,760 >> Um 2977 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,760 >> definition of title. It's basically that 2978 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,400 they have to be on a fixed foundation. 2979 01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:15,840 >> Yeah, 2980 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,199 >> that is 2981 01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:19,520 >> I think it's in 1258. 2982 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:20,560 >> Found it. 2983 01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:21,119 >> Okay. 2984 01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:22,400 >> A 2985 01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,480 >> there it is. 2986 01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:25,679 >> Which one is it? 2987 01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:28,560 >> Oh, you got it. 2988 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:30,719 >> Yeah. So, it was an A, but he's going to 2989 01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:31,280 be adding 2990 01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,199 >> I would add a new Yeah, I would add a 2991 01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:35,679 new guess it' be probably new B and 2992 01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:37,760 change the numbering. that would talk 2993 01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:41,440 about removal of an axle for any 2994 01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:43,760 modular. 2995 01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,840 >> Okay. I'd like to workshop the language 2996 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,760 though. Um rather 2997 01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:49,280 >> it doesn't have it all. 2998 01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:50,000 >> Isn't that correct? 2999 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,760 >> I don't have one, but I can try to find 3000 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:52,800 one right now. 3001 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:56,320 >> Well then, okay. So, give give me broad 3002 01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:00,080 parameters to do in the ordinance. Or 3003 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:01,600 would you like 3004 01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:02,960 >> how about this? 3005 01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,280 >> Um with a direction to staff to add a 3006 01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,320 subsection in 070 to address tiny homes 3007 01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,199 removing axles um and which will then be 3008 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:14,880 considered by the city council. 3009 01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,159 >> Yeah. Yeah. I would say and I wouldn't 3010 01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,320 even say tiny homes. I would say modular 3011 01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,480 homes such as tiny or other similar 3012 01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:21,600 modular homes 3013 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,520 >> so that we're not just singling out 3014 01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,280 >> Yeah. and and the language the the 3015 01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,199 building official gave me said he said 3016 01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:29,920 add language the axles are removed when 3017 01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:31,679 the structure is fixed in place for any 3018 01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:34,239 DAU that is wheeled into location 3019 01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:36,239 >> are the words permanently affixed to the 3020 01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:37,600 ground something that we should be using 3021 01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:39,920 >> it's already there in a so we could we 3022 01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,600 could use similar language if we wanted 3023 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:43,679 to to count on it but it will already be 3024 01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:46,400 established in a 3025 01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:48,560 >> well then what do we need 3026 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:52,000 >> that the removal of the axles from solar 3027 01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:53,760 fuel in a tiny home Right? You have to 3028 01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:55,520 anchor it into the ground, but he's 3029 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:56,800 saying you can then take it a step 3030 01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,480 further and put language in that says 3031 01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:01,360 removal of the axle. So, it inhibits its 3032 01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,679 ability to be even more modular. 3033 01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:05,119 >> All right? So, then it's a permanent 3034 01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:07,760 structure and not coming. So, it create 3035 01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,639 a clause new B that would say that. 3036 01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:12,000 >> I don't know why we need a new clause. 3037 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:13,520 Why not just one more sentence in a I 3038 01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:14,880 could do it that way too. something 3039 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,080 along the lines of if the 3040 01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:21,199 >> detached ADU 3041 01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:23,440 has 3042 01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:25,840 uh it's capable of being mobile that any 3043 01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:26,320 such 3044 01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,080 >> w into location was the term 3045 01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,520 >> mobility 3046 01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,000 >> but whatever you could say that 3047 01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,000 >> w into location but that would mean 3048 01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:35,360 something different to me than it would 3049 01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:36,320 to you 3050 01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,199 >> if the use supports mobility 3051 01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:41,679 >> and there like I said there are codes I 3052 01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:43,199 had one in my last city I just have to 3053 01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:45,040 pull it Okay. Right. 3054 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:46,560 >> So then here's what I'm going to put in 3055 01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,880 my motion is that rather than a new 3056 01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,199 section be added that a clause be that a 3057 01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:53,040 sentence be added to clause A. 3058 01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:53,840 >> Okay. 3059 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:58,480 >> That would uh prohibit or no would 3060 01:51:58,480 --> 01:52:02,480 require the removal of any axles or 3061 01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:03,920 similar 3062 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,159 >> mobility capabilities. 3063 01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:06,960 >> Okay. 3064 01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:07,599 >> Sure. 3065 01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:08,159 >> That's fair. 3066 01:52:08,159 --> 01:52:09,440 >> They get a fixed. 3067 01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:09,760 >> Yeah. 3068 01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,199 They have to be a fixed. 3069 01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:14,400 >> Yeah. I can certainly find someone's 3070 01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:15,920 code that reads well and says that 3071 01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:17,040 >> it 3072 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,119 >> because it just says well any structure 3073 01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:24,070 fixed and anchored. 3074 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:25,920 » Can you change that one to unfixed? 3075 01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,159 >> Yeah, because anchored I mean you could 3076 01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:30,480 anchor it like you anchor, couldn't you? 3077 01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:32,639 Like you anchor a boat with just a post 3078 01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:35,280 coming out, right? I I feel like that's 3079 01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:36,639 a little flawed. 3080 01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:38,480 >> The word the word fixed 3081 01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:40,560 >> any structure fixed and anchored. I'm 3082 01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,320 just 3083 01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,320 If we're not adding more like he was 3084 01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,719 talking about, I feel like there's room 3085 01:52:46,719 --> 01:52:49,199 for error there or cause for question. 3086 01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:50,880 >> I mean, with the building code, it 3087 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,040 that's what it's called when you you 3088 01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,119 anchor something into a foundation, you 3089 01:52:55,119 --> 01:52:56,480 anchor the structure into the 3090 01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:57,760 foundation. That's the term. 3091 01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,960 >> No, is is the word fixed a defined term 3092 01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:02,239 in the building code? 3093 01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:05,199 >> That I no I I mean that if you want to 3094 01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:07,440 use a fixed if you want to use I don't 3095 01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:08,320 know what else, but 3096 01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:10,000 >> a fixed in real estate has to be screwed 3097 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:10,719 in. Yeah, 3098 01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:12,000 >> that's how we do it. 3099 01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,159 >> You could say a fixed. You could say or 3100 01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:15,840 you could just use anchored and take out 3101 01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,400 or or fixed and anchored. 3102 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:19,920 >> Shall be a permanent structure anchored 3103 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:21,440 to a foundation. That is building 3104 01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:24,000 terminology. You do anchor structures to 3105 01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,679 concrete slabs and foundation. 3106 01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:28,560 >> That is the right term 3107 01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,159 >> is thinking. Do you have comments on 3108 01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:31,840 that, Lisa? 3109 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,280 >> Well, just if you if it's only fixed, 3110 01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,440 sorry, where's the language? If it's a 3111 01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:41,360 permanent structure and anchored, 3112 01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,280 you might be taking out this whole 3113 01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:46,159 category of, you know, [snorts] that 3114 01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:47,440 they're bringing because they are going 3115 01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:49,760 to bring things on. And so anyway, that 3116 01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,040 was my concern is that you are 3117 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:54,080 eliminating these manufactured in a way 3118 01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:55,360 that may [clears throat] not be allowed. 3119 01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:55,840 So 3120 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:57,280 >> we can't do that. 3121 01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,520 >> I I'm okay with the language as it is, 3122 01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:00,880 especially with the addition that you 3123 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,880 have to take any axles off. 3124 01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:03,599 >> Okay. 3125 01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:05,040 Let's go with that. So we'll leave 3126 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:06,719 that at is. So, so it's 3127 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:09,599 >> adding a sentence commanding the removal 3128 01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:12,080 of or requiring the removal 3129 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,320 >> of any axles or similar mobility 3130 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:15,280 capabilities. 3131 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:19,270 >> Okay. Yeah. 3132 01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:21,199 » All right. 3133 01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:22,800 Vice Chair Patterson, what are we 3134 01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:23,199 missing? 3135 01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:25,119 >> We are missing the last one. Um, it was 3136 01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:28,159 the two-3. We were going to add may be 3137 01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,159 instead of just, 3138 01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:31,760 >> but that was my bad that I did not 3139 01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:32,000 write. 3140 01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:33,440 >> May be permitted to 3141 01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:36,159 >> may be per Where was that? 3142 01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:39,830 >> It's 12.58.060. 3143 01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:41,360 » See, 3144 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:42,080 >> go up 3145 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:43,760 >> and then it was two down here. 3146 01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,840 >> There were two numbers. He re have a 3147 01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,040 detached ADU on 3148 01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:48,800 >> Yeah, that's when I said that it was a 3149 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:49,840 little little weird. 3150 01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:56,149 >> Are you sure it was this propert? 3151 01:54:56,159 --> 01:54:56,560 » Okay, 3152 01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:57,599 >> you're right. 3153 01:54:57,599 --> 01:54:59,840 >> May be permitted to have a detached ad. 3154 01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:00,800 That may be 3155 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:01,440 >> maybe 3156 01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,599 >> I'm not sure what that is trying to get 3157 01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:04,639 at 3158 01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:07,840 >> because isn't that by definition a 3159 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:11,199 detached ADU? A property may have a 3160 01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:14,480 detached ADU on the lot or partial that 3161 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,560 is shared with the primary dwelling. 3162 01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,320 >> You give them a right to have it. You 3163 01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,000 say may or may be permitted. 3164 01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,679 >> Oh, I see. We're just saying oh you can 3165 01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:22,800 have Okay. You can have 3166 01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:24,239 >> we scroll up scroll up too. 3167 01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:25,599 >> It's trying to create more clarity. So 3168 01:55:25,599 --> 01:55:28,480 it's not saying in other conditions have 3169 01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:31,760 two on a lot [laughter] 3170 01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:33,199 >> like it just seems 3171 01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:34,719 >> how it's words a little confusing. So 3172 01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:36,719 clarify it may be permitted to have then 3173 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:40,639 you you categorically allowed it. 3174 01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:42,639 >> Would would an appropriate edit there 3175 01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:44,320 just be to remove the first sentence of 3176 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:46,080 that since the in my mind the the 3177 01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:47,679 clearer message for C is 3178 01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:49,679 >> yeah it is the second sentence is the 3179 01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:51,599 >> is the second sentence. 3180 01:55:51,599 --> 01:55:53,360 >> We've already established the first 3181 01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,360 sentence elsewhere. 3182 01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,679 Very true. 3183 01:55:57,679 --> 01:56:00,080 >> So, just go with no single family. 3184 01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:01,440 >> Oh, yeah. 3185 01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:02,880 >> That's what I mean. If you need it in 3186 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:04,480 there, I 3187 01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,719 >> It doesn't It doesn't matter to me as 3188 01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:09,920 long as it's clear that a single family 3189 01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,560 dwelling, a primary dwelling 3190 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,480 a affords a detached ADU to be on it if 3191 01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:16,000 they can meet the other allowances. I'm 3192 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,360 not sure if it says that elsewhere in 3193 01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,760 the code. But I like the definition that 3194 01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,239 or stated affirmatively that if you have 3195 01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:24,239 a single family residence, you're 3196 01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:26,639 eligible to also construct an ADU 3197 01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:28,000 provided 3198 01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,239 >> you can only have one either internal or 3199 01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:30,880 detached. 3200 01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:32,239 >> Yeah, I think that's what it's trying to 3201 01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:33,360 say. 3202 01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:35,199 >> But I'm not sure if if that first 3203 01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:37,599 sentence needs to be rewarded. 3204 01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:39,119 That was the point I was saying when it 3205 01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,920 may be permitted to. It's like 3206 01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:44,080 >> there's not another category. It's just 3207 01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:46,159 you have a right that permits you to do 3208 01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:47,920 this if you meet the criteria. 3209 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,639 >> I think that an example of this would be 3210 01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:53,599 we're experiencing this with a 3211 01:56:53,599 --> 01:56:57,520 agriculture property who wants to have a 3212 01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:00,320 um who wants to put like an accessory 3213 01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,679 structure on their farm with a barn. 3214 01:57:03,679 --> 01:57:05,760 They already have a barn, but there's no 3215 01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,920 single family house. And then they want 3216 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:11,360 to put another detached structure with a 3217 01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:13,199 rental unit in there. 3218 01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:16,880 Um, so with this being put in that that 3219 01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,840 might say, hey, no, this there has to be 3220 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,920 a single family 3221 01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,159 by definition. But yeah, I would rather 3222 01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:26,000 just say it affirmatively, as I said, a 3223 01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,840 lot parcel with an existing single 3224 01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,719 family dwelling is eligible to, you 3225 01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:34,080 know, for a detached ADU. 3226 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:35,360 >> And then the second 3227 01:57:35,360 --> 01:57:37,840 >> prov Yeah. Provided you can only have 3228 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:38,480 one. 3229 01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:38,800 >> Yeah. 3230 01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,400 >> Either detached or 3231 01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:42,000 >> Yeah. because you do have to if I would 3232 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,280 make it one sentence because you don't 3233 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,760 want to we can work on that just direct 3234 01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:46,960 staff will make it better. 3235 01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:48,841 >> Okay, that's what we're gonna do 3236 01:57:48,841 --> 01:57:50,480 [laughter] 3237 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:51,679 >> this because [clears throat] I do think 3238 01:57:51,679 --> 01:57:54,400 but I think in the definition we say it 3239 01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,400 has to have that but I want to make that 3240 01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:58,000 clear as well. You have to have 3241 01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,360 >> because the key point is the second 3242 01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:00,960 sentence that's why 3243 01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:02,880 >> right you can only have either internal 3244 01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,599 or or detached. I guess my the question 3245 01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:11,440 I would have is we've we've defined the eligibility in 125804 3246 01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:14,639 OB. Do we need to also define it in the 3247 01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:15,760 first sentence here? 3248 01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,599 >> That's a great point. That's a good 3249 01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:20,560 point. 3250 01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:22,400 >> Sometimes because staff likes to just 3251 01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:23,840 point to this. I think that's what 3252 01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,360 they're saying is we just want that if 3253 01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:26,880 you don't have a home already on there, 3254 01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:27,920 you can't have a 3255 01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:29,440 >> DADU. 3256 01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:30,719 >> And then we don't have to argue with 3257 01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:32,800 them. So I I can see that. 3258 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:33,760 >> Yeah. Okay, 3259 01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:36,800 >> they have to enforce it. So, but I I 3260 01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,520 think we can re make it state it that 3261 01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,040 clearly 3262 01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:42,800 combining it with the second part though 3263 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:46,239 that you can only have one or the other. 3264 01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:47,440 Got it. 3265 01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,840 >> And then there's a small scrier's error 3266 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:55,599 on 12.58.040B2 040 B2 where it's 3267 01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:58,080 referencing wrong code with the internal 3268 01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,719 ADU and it should be referencing 3269 01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:03,679 its own code further down which is 3270 01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:07,109 12.58.100 3271 01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:08,080 in place of that. 3272 01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:09,679 >> So instead of 090 3273 01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:13,199 >> yeah or yeah it even says 12.60. So the 3274 01:59:13,199 --> 01:59:15,360 60 and the 090 are error. It should be 3275 01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:17,440 5800. 3276 01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:19,920 >> Very good. And then the last one was at 3277 01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:22,320 the very bottom way down in 3278 01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:23,840 enforcability. 3279 01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:27,119 Um I I recommended taking out the 3280 01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:30,880 citation and just having it say may 3281 01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:33,119 utilize applicable enforcement 3282 01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,199 provisions regarding violations and 3283 01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:37,040 holding leans against the property. And 3284 01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,840 the city attorney seemed okay with that. 3285 01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,800 >> Okay. Slowly. Sorry. 3286 01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:44,880 We're taking out 3287 01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:47,920 the red highlight completely. 3288 01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:51,199 >> No, just the where it says we're adding 3289 01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:54,480 the word applicable in place of thus. So 3290 01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:57,199 may utilize applicable and then we're 3291 01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:01,280 removing of Utah code section 10-20303 3292 02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:03,199 internal accessory dwelling units and 3293 02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:07,510 then keeping regarding violations. 3294 02:00:07,520 --> 02:00:09,199 And I do think what your comment was 3295 02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:12,000 referring I think it's 1021303 3296 02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,599 where the lean provisions are. 3297 02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:14,400 >> Yeah. 3298 02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:15,360 >> But we're removing 3299 02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:16,800 >> but we don't Yeah. We don't want to 3300 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:18,639 refer to the 3301 02:00:18,639 --> 02:00:19,679 >> Yeah. We're removing it. 3302 02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:25,030 >> I mean we may but 3303 02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,880 » until state code gets updated which it 3304 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:27,920 probably will and then we'll have to 3305 02:00:27,920 --> 02:01:00,149 reinsert it in. [laughter] 3306 02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:04,629 Okay. 3307 02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:07,440 All right. So, I've got the mechanics. 3308 02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,960 My um motion is probably also going to 3309 02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:12,800 carry a recommendation that the city 3310 02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:17,520 direct staff to uh evaluate and build 3311 02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:19,199 out 3312 02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:22,550 um 3313 02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:25,360 suggest solutions. 3314 02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:26,639 No, I'm not going to do it part of the 3315 02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:29,360 motion. Never mind. 3316 02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:34,870 I'm gonna 3317 02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:36,560 » Can we do it with a separate? I know 3318 02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:37,440 what you're thinking about. 3319 02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:42,080 >> Yeah, you know where I'm going is that I want a tool to address the oddballs. 3320 02:01:42,080 --> 02:01:42,960 >> Yeah. 3321 02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:45,440 >> Oftent times after a motion you have in 3322 02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:47,840 the past given direction to staff as a 3323 02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:48,400 comment. 3324 02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:50,080 >> Yeah, that's that's what I'm probably 3325 02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:51,599 going to do. The problem is we didn't 3326 02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:55,360 notice this up as um potentially 3327 02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:58,880 uh developing code for flags. 3328 02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:00,159 >> That's why I was scared about talking 3329 02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:00,960 about it too much. 3330 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:01,679 >> Yeah. 3331 02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:03,119 >> And that's probably why we should come 3332 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:05,360 back and do it separately. And 3333 02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,440 >> yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. 3334 02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:08,639 >> All right. Friends, 3335 02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:10,159 >> can I ask you a question before you go 3336 02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:10,800 forward? 3337 02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,840 >> Please. So in your motion or all of your 3338 02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:15,760 notes that all the things we've gone 3339 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:18,719 through, you're not suggesting um 3340 02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:20,239 conditional use permits. 3341 02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:20,639 >> No. 3342 02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:22,000 >> Okay. 3343 02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:24,639 >> Oh, that clarity on agricultural law. 3344 02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:25,920 Are we keeping it permitted 3345 02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,080 >> in essence? Oh, we need to discuss that. 3346 02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:29,040 >> That one. Yeah. 3347 02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,119 >> Yeah. In essence, my motion is going to 3348 02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:33,520 say, I'm so sorry. Um, thank you for 3349 02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:34,880 your comments, but I'm so sorry. You 3350 02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:38,000 don't qualify potentially um because 3351 02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,560 we're not going to allow front yard ADUs 3352 02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:41,840 under this code 3353 02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,480 >> at this time. Yeah, at this time. 3354 02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,000 >> That's what I'm going to be making a 3355 02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:46,960 motion for. 3356 02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:47,920 >> Did you hear Mike? 3357 02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:48,480 >> Yeah. 3358 02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:51,440 >> About the said agricultural. It doesn't 3359 02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,000 qualify. I mean it consistently it's P 3360 02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,159 and internal but again I don't want to 3361 02:02:56,159 --> 02:02:57,920 tell the plantings and how it 3362 02:02:57,920 --> 02:02:59,599 >> we talked about that last time like if 3363 02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:01,199 somebody just has all the eggs right and 3364 02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:02,480 you've got a home over here and they can 3365 02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:04,480 have 10 acres 100 doesn't matter and 3366 02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:06,080 then they just want to put something 3367 02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,920 >> that's where you have size restrictions 3368 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,000 by code of how big it can be then they 3369 02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:11,760 can only make it so big 3370 02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:13,440 >> so then if they have a big parcel they 3371 02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:16,320 can't have a mini McMansion or pool 3372 02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:17,760 house in the back that's rented out 3373 02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:19,440 because you're regulating it by size and 3374 02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,480 construction 3375 02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:21,520 >> that's why we had that conversation 3376 02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:23,119 Well, it seems fair because if I if I 3377 02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:25,040 had a lot of that, I don't build 3378 02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:26,960 something, right? I don't want to 3379 02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:28,960 restrict people completely out, but I 3380 02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:30,639 also don't want neighborhoods dotted 3381 02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:32,639 with things in the front or sidey yards, 3382 02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:34,719 >> which I think too, 3383 02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:36,960 unfortunately for for the the resident 3384 02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:39,920 that commented, but I think by keeping 3385 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:41,840 the the unit size to where you have it 3386 02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:43,440 or somewhere like that, 3387 02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,000 >> then it it kind of addresses what Lisa 3388 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:47,360 was talking about and that those large 3389 02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:48,800 units still have subdivision and 3390 02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:50,480 development potential and they still get 3391 02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,239 the ADU out of it. It creates this kind 3392 02:03:52,239 --> 02:03:54,560 of a a pushpull compromise that benefits 3393 02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:56,480 everybody interested, I think. [snorts] 3394 02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:57,280 >> Okay. 3395 02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:58,880 >> So, sorry, just for my clarification, 3396 02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:00,880 are you recommending 3397 02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,520 >> DAD uses a permitted use in AL? 3398 02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,040 >> That's my That's probably going to be my 3399 02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:05,760 motion. 3400 02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,920 >> Yeah. 3401 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:15,589 All right. I need to go. 3402 02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:18,320 Hold up a second though. If it's 3403 02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:21,199 agricultural low, 3404 02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:23,040 Do they have any buildings on them at 3405 02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:23,520 all? 3406 02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:25,679 >> They have to still have a home primary 3407 02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:26,080 dwelling. 3408 02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:27,360 >> That's what my question was. Okay. 3409 02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:28,880 >> Yeah, they have has to have a single 3410 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:32,880 family. Agricultural will 3411 02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:33,760 even look at it. 3412 02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:34,639 >> Okay, perfect. 3413 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:35,599 >> Cuz yeah, when I was thinking 3414 02:04:35,599 --> 02:04:36,960 agriculture, I was thinking for some 3415 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:37,280 reason. 3416 02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:38,560 >> Well, then it would be a primary 3417 02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:39,520 structure at that point 3418 02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:40,719 >> and they are building the primary 3419 02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:42,320 structure. Yeah. In all fairness to what 3420 02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:42,639 you're saying. 3421 02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:45,040 >> I guess it would be, right? Okay. Thank 3422 02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:45,599 you. 3423 02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:48,000 >> Okay. I hereby make a motion. 3424 02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:49,920 >> All right. to recommend that the city 3425 02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:51,520 council 3426 02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:53,520 uh well to forward a positive 3427 02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:55,520 recommendation to the city council that 3428 02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:58,080 they approve the proposed zoning context 3429 02:04:58,080 --> 02:04:59,760 amendments to the Centerville municipal 3430 02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,480 code by adding new chapter 12.58 3431 02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:05,760 detached accessory dwelling unit uh per 3432 02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:11,920 DADU standards and hold up standards and 3433 02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:15,679 amending section 12.36.020 020 table of 3434 02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:18,400 uses for residential uses based on the 3435 02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:21,920 following reasons for action. No, no. 3436 02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:24,071 Hell's bells. 3437 02:05:24,071 --> 02:05:26,036 [laughter] 3438 02:05:26,036 --> 02:05:26,320 [snorts] 3439 02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:27,760 >> Strike that. 3440 02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:29,679 >> Let's take it from the top. I hereby 3441 02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:31,920 make a motion to recommend that the city 3442 02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:35,040 council approve the proposed zoning code 3443 02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:36,239 text amendments to the Centerville 3444 02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:37,840 Municipal Code by adding new chapter 3445 02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:39,840 12.58 detached accessory dwelling units 3446 02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,560 dat standards and amending section 3447 02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,599 12.36020 table of uses for residential 3448 02:05:45,599 --> 02:05:51,280 uses as indicated in the staff report. 3449 02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:53,440 However, with the following additional 3450 02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:54,960 modifications 3451 02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:58,719 12.58.070 070 subd remove the word 3452 02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:09,270 additional 3453 02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:11,360 12.58070 3454 02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:14,960 subc remove the phrase fixed inoperable 3455 02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:16,960 and 3456 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,550 12.58070A 3457 02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:24,159 um that 3458 02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:26,880 staff be delegated 3459 02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:29,760 the authority to draft an additional 3460 02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,960 sentence to add to this subsection A 3461 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,960 that has the effect of requiring the 3462 02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,920 removal of any axles or similar mobility 3463 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:41,520 capabilities for the affixed DATU. 3464 02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:46,790 No, for the fixed and anchored DATU 3465 02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:49,679 that 3466 02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:52,790 12.58070-1 3467 02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:57,840 the word occupancy occupancy be defined 3468 02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:04,310 uh to be family as defined in 122 0440 3469 02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:06,000 that 3470 02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:08,560 12.58190 3471 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,000 is a scrier's error and should be 3472 02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:12,159 changed to 090 3473 02:07:12,159 --> 02:07:14,639 12.58110 3474 02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:17,840 sub 1. Eliminate the phrase building 3475 02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:20,000 construction and fire codes and replace 3476 02:07:20,000 --> 02:07:22,480 it with capital C construction capital C 3477 02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:28,239 codes and capital F fire capital C codes 3478 02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:30,639 that 12.58060 3479 02:07:30,639 --> 02:07:34,790 sub C. 3480 02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:36,159 Did I already say that one? 3481 02:07:36,159 --> 02:07:37,280 >> No. No. 3482 02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:40,400 >> Okay. Ah, yes. 3483 02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:44,320 that staff work on rewarding these two 3484 02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,480 sentences into one sentence to clarify 3485 02:07:48,480 --> 02:07:50,800 the intent that a single family 3486 02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:53,679 residents may qualify to have one ADU 3487 02:07:53,679 --> 02:07:56,960 but no more than one ADU. 3488 02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:58,000 >> Is that fair? 3489 02:07:58,000 --> 02:07:58,800 >> Yes. 3490 02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:02,159 >> Uh avoiding the word may [laughter] 3491 02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:05,360 or at least the singular use of may 3492 02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,280 without qualifiers. 3493 02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:10,880 Um I think uh city attorney Romney had a 3494 02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:12,880 really good articulation. 3495 02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:14,880 >> Let's let's direct staff to perhaps 3496 02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:16,400 consider that and then forward it that 3497 02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:20,000 way to the city council that 12.58040 3498 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:23,840 subb sub 2 be modified that the code 3499 02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:27,440 reference therein instead of 126090 3500 02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:30,159 or 12.60.090 3501 02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:34,709 be modified to 12.58100. 3502 02:08:34,719 --> 02:08:36,800 that 12.58 3503 02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,840 uh 120 3504 02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:42,960 I can't read my handwriting ah be 3505 02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,119 modified as we have discussed which as I 3506 02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:50,470 understood it was to um 3507 02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:52,639 yeah 3508 02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:55,040 say something along the lines of uh 3509 02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:56,719 words to the effect additionally the 3510 02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:00,800 city may utilize applicable is an 3511 02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:04,159 addition strike the and then going back 3512 02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:05,760 to the original text enforcement 3513 02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:08,079 provisions and then strike of Utah code 3514 02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:10,320 102303 3515 02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:17,599 um internal dwelling units my handwriting and then 3516 02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:22,390 resume with um 3517 02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:27,599 » regarding it's either regarding or 3518 02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:30,159 thank you let's just get there yeah it's 3519 02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:31,664 regarding 3520 02:09:31,664 --> 02:09:32,239 [clears throat] 3521 02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:35,199 okay so for clarity We're striking the 3522 02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:36,639 replacing it with applicable. We're 3523 02:09:36,639 --> 02:09:40,000 striking of Utah code 102303 internal 3524 02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:41,520 accessory dwelling units and then 3525 02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:44,560 resuming with regarding violations. 3526 02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:46,480 Then 3527 02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:49,760 the table of uses 12.36.020 3528 02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:52,639 instead of P question mark for RL zones 3529 02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:54,800 that the table of uses just be P 3530 02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:56,560 permitted for dwelling single family 3531 02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:58,079 with detached accessory dwelling. 3532 02:09:58,079 --> 02:09:59,360 >> AL zones. 3533 02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:00,000 >> I'm sorry. 3534 02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:00,960 >> AL zones. 3535 02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:03,199 >> Yeah, the AL zone. What did I say? You 3536 02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:04,079 said RL. 3537 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:05,440 >> Oh, 3538 02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:07,040 >> definitely not RL 3539 02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:08,159 >> because it's RDP. 3540 02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:10,239 >> Yeah. 3541 02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:11,760 >> Uh, did you 3542 02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:12,800 >> for the reasons? 3543 02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:14,400 >> Wait, did I miss it? Did you address 3544 02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:16,000 Windows? 3545 02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:16,239 >> Yes. 3546 02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:16,560 >> Oh. 3547 02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:16,960 >> Uhhuh. 3548 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:17,280 >> Yeah. 3549 02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:18,320 >> Did he got that code? 3550 02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:20,639 >> Uh, for clarity 1258070 3551 02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:24,480 subc remove fixed inoperable and Okay. 3552 02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:27,440 for the reasons as indicated in the 3553 02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:35,430 staff report. 3554 02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:38,400 » Trying to think about any other reasons 3555 02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:41,199 >> findings on. 3556 02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:42,800 >> Um 3557 02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:43,679 yeah, we'll [clears throat] go with the 3558 02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:44,960 findings as indicated in the staff 3559 02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,119 report. That's my motion. 3560 02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:48,800 >> Man, I second that hard. 3561 02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:51,599 >> Okay, so I've got a motion [laughter] 3562 02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:53,840 and a hard second. Hard second. 3563 02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:55,199 >> Hard second. 3564 02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:59,040 >> Uh discussion on the motion. 3565 02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:04,390 >> Can you repeat that? NO. [laughter] 3566 02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:05,760 » That's awesome. 3567 02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:06,480 >> Love it. 3568 02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:07,440 >> Yeah. Perfect. 3569 02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:09,119 >> I love it. 3570 02:11:09,119 --> 02:11:09,520 >> Great. 3571 02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:12,639 >> Okay. Um jokes aside, no discussions is 3572 02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:13,679 what I'm seeing. 3573 02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:14,480 >> I think we're 3574 02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:16,239 >> Okay. Commissioner Mandal. 3575 02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:19,840 >> I 3576 02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:21,840 >> Okay, that passes unanimous. 3577 02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:24,639 >> Awesome. staff. Holy cow, what great 3578 02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:25,199 work. 3579 02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:25,920 >> Yeah, that's awesome. 3580 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:27,599 >> You put in a lot of work hours. 3581 02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:29,199 >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to all 3582 02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:29,840 three of you. 3583 02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:32,480 >> Um, I am going to say this that I would 3584 02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,520 like us to work on modifying the code I 3585 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,239 just moved to authorize to forward with 3586 02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:39,679 a positive recommendation that we 3587 02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:42,480 address these situations where it seems 3588 02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:44,560 like to meet the spirit and intent of 3589 02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:47,360 daddos would be to allow a dad in these 3590 02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:49,840 situations in a front yard. That would 3591 02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:52,159 make a lot of sense to me. At least that 3592 02:11:52,159 --> 02:11:54,560 would be the underlying policy behind 3593 02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:58,560 why we would want a DATU code to address 3594 02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,360 these situations. But I want to do it in 3595 02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:03,280 a way that makes a lot of sense. 3596 02:12:03,280 --> 02:12:03,760 >> Yeah. 3597 02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:05,360 >> And I don't know what that looks like 3598 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:05,760 yet, 3599 02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,440 >> but it makes sense for everybody 3600 02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:09,119 >> with that direction. Are you open to 3601 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:11,199 other alternative land use discussions? 3602 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:14,079 >> Totally. I would love to consider five 3603 02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:15,360 lots. 3604 02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:19,920 >> Yeah. or like maybe not use dat 3605 02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:21,920 we consider all land use options to 3606 02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:23,040 maximize real estate. 3607 02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,639 >> Yeah. Yes. I like that. 3608 02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:27,440 >> Now that will obviously be subject to 3609 02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:29,360 your time, your bandwidth and directions 3610 02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:32,079 from city council and we'll see what 3611 02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:33,920 happens. I'm sorry to saddle you with 3612 02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,960 more assignments, but I I I do feel 3613 02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:38,560 quite strongly that that is something we 3614 02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:40,239 should address in a near in a near 3615 02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:40,719 future. 3616 02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:42,800 >> And it seems like residents are wanting 3617 02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:43,440 that 3618 02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:44,800 >> as does the state. 3619 02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:45,840 >> Yeah. They want to 3620 02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:47,360 >> Right. Right. 3621 02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:48,719 >> Start being able to utilize their own 3622 02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:49,360 land. 3623 02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:50,719 >> Right. 3624 02:12:50,719 --> 02:12:52,960 >> Okay. Um that passes unanimously. We 3625 02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:54,400 need to actually get done with today's 3626 02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:57,599 meeting. So, um community development 3627 02:12:57,599 --> 02:12:59,360 director's report. Your brief report, 3628 02:12:59,360 --> 02:12:59,840 sir. 3629 02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:02,480 >> Really brief. I just wanted to note that 3630 02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:06,880 um recently had interaction with the old 3631 02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:09,440 Carl Jr. ownership team. They said that 3632 02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,040 they should be pulling that permit 3633 02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:12,880 hopefully within Well, they didn't say 3634 02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:14,480 hopefully. I'm saying it because they've 3635 02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:16,320 done this before, but they've indicated 3636 02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:17,599 within the month they should be pulling 3637 02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:19,040 the building permit to finally get going 3638 02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:19,920 on the building. 3639 02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:21,440 >> Yeah. 3640 02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:22,079 >> Finally. 3641 02:13:22,079 --> 02:13:24,079 >> For uh Carl's Jr. 3642 02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:26,000 >> Carl Jr. It's going to be 3643 02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:27,840 >> Oh, into Johnny. Sorry, not Johnny 3644 02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:28,880 Rockets. I apologize. 3645 02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:29,920 >> Uh Jack in the Box. 3646 02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:30,800 >> Jack in the Box. Thank you. 3647 02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:32,800 >> Yeah. And the other thing to note is the 3648 02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,199 corner of 1250 West and and Parish. If 3649 02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:36,320 you've been down there and see, there's 3650 02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,079 a lot of new material showing up on the 3651 02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:40,159 site. They're definitely getting ready 3652 02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:42,560 to start to excavate and and start doing 3653 02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:43,520 work on that site. 3654 02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:44,639 >> Good. 3655 02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:46,800 >> That pre pre or the pre-construction's 3656 02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:48,400 already been completed. So, we're just 3657 02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:50,320 waiting on I think the mayor when he 3658 02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:51,920 come comes back, if he's already come 3659 02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,800 back, he has a letter in or a agreement 3660 02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:56,400 in there for storm water that we need to 3661 02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:58,719 sign off and approve for UD do and 3662 02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:00,159 that's the last thing that the site plan 3663 02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:01,920 needed to be in compliance to move 3664 02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:04,880 forward. So, that should probably be 3665 02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:07,679 getting pretty Yeah. pretty active very 3666 02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:09,119 soon. appropriate. They're bringing fuel 3667 02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:10,480 in. 3668 02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,159 >> Any updates on the Maverick? 3669 02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:15,599 >> Um, we have there's a new owner. Oh, the 3670 02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:17,199 new owner of Maverick. He actually own 3671 02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:18,800 he bought it outright from Maverick 3672 02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:21,119 Corporation. He has some ideas. He's 3673 02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:23,360 talked to both Sydney and I, but Main 3674 02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:24,960 Street has some challenges with with 3675 02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:27,440 what Main Street requires. Um, he is 3676 02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:29,679 going to, that being said, work on some 3677 02:14:29,679 --> 02:14:32,400 interior cleanup or renovation to maybe 3678 02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:37,040 pursue a leie for it. Um, and uh, I 3679 02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:40,400 guess we'll see from there. Um, in an 3680 02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:42,480 ideal world, there would be some 3681 02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:43,760 discussions about Main Street 3682 02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:44,960 regulations, but I don't want to get 3683 02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:46,079 into that right now. 3684 02:14:46,079 --> 02:14:46,880 >> Nope. 3685 02:14:46,880 --> 02:14:48,400 >> So, 3686 02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:48,960 >> thank you. 3687 02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:50,800 >> So, the bottom line is the good news 3688 02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:53,360 with that without again creating any 3689 02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:57,280 kind of political discussion is um, we 3690 02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,920 have an owner. He's a responsible owner. 3691 02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:01,599 He's motivated to make the property 3692 02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:03,280 work. He's just going to be restricted 3693 02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,280 to what Main Street allows him to do. 3694 02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:06,400 That's the best way to say it. 3695 02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:07,760 >> Thank you. 3696 02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:08,960 >> And that's all I have. 3697 02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:10,719 >> Thank you. All right. Moving forward to 3698 02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:12,960 the minutes from the prior meeting. Uh I 3699 02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:14,800 assume you all had an opportunity to 3700 02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:16,560 review. Anybody have any modifications 3701 02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:17,599 to propose? 3702 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:20,719 >> I did not. I mean, I read them, but I 3703 02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:22,880 have no modifications. 3704 02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:28,470 >> Let me be clear. 3705 02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:30,400 » So, motion to approve them. Yes. 3706 02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:31,760 >> Uh, I'll take a motion. 3707 02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:33,760 >> I make a motion to approve the minutes 3708 02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:35,520 from, 3709 02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:38,239 uh, July 22nd, 2026. 3710 02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:39,280 >> I'll second. Have 3711 02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:41,040 >> a motion and a second. All in favor say 3712 02:15:41,040 --> 02:15:41,360 I. 3713 02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:42,079 >> I. I. 3714 02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:43,599 >> All opposed. 3715 02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:44,639 >> All right. I'll take a motion to 3716 02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:45,040 adjurnn. 3717 02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:46,480 >> I make a motion to adjurnn. [laughter] 3718 02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:48,480 >> Look at you jumping on that, man. 3719 02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:50,000 >> I have a second from Commissioner 3720 02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:55,119 Mendall. Uh, any uh, all in favor say I. 3721 02:15:55,119 --> 02:15:56,719 >> Okay, 3722 02:15:56,719 --> 02:15:59,679 >> we're done.