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Hey, good morning everybody.
Welcome to our August board meeting.

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I'm just going to see we've got we did
check sound. Director Fe, do you want to

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check your sound?

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He's got to go get his earphones. Do we
have Jess?

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» Okay.
And we have everybody else.

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Yes. Okay.
Welcome everybody. August.

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We can see the sky.
Begin by acknowledging respecting the

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indigenous people within whose
traditional lands we are meeting today.

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I ask for adoption of the agenda,
please. Thank you, Huitt. Second,

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Lockwood. Discussion.
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.

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Adoption of the minutes.
Thank you.

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Any corrections, edits?
All those in favor? Opposed?

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Uh, director, not director, CEO.
>> Uh, yep. To the chair. Just want to

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introduce um Ivon Patterson. She's
online

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she wouldn't be following the field
somewhere. But as a result of Amy Wilson

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being appointed to the temporary
position in the different services,

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there was kind of a waterfall effect of
responsibility and then we hired Ivonne

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to kind of build what was left over in
that operations department on a

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temporary basis while Amy's in that uh
that GM role.

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» Thank you.
Now we'll go to our delegations. We do

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have Michael and Anna here from

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» Walrus. I was trying not to say walrus.
Ministry of waterland resource

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stewardship to talk about turpies and
population conservation. I see Michael.

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Will you be doing the presentation from
that end? And Camille actually. Hi

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Camille.
>> Good morning.

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» Good morning. Check your sound Michael
as well.

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» Yeah, good morning.
>> Welcome. So, do you have a presentation

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for us?
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» We're about uh 20 minutes for
delegation. So, uh you want about half

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that time for minutes. I'll give you a
little sign like this when you're close

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to 10 just to give you a heads up and
then we'll do the question end. So,

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thank you so much. Over to you.
>> Okay. Thanks.

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» Thanks. Um
hello everyone. Thanks. Thanks for your

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time uh listening to us today. My name
is Cam Ra. I'm a wildlife biologist with

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the BC Ministry of Waterland and
Resource Stewardship. Um, and I'm here

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today on behalf of Anna Mackandu, our
wildlife section head. And I'm joined by

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my co-presenter, Michael, who's a
biologist with the Alberta Conservation

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Association, and he is the lead on this
project. Um so today we're just going to

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share with you a brief overview of the
Turkey Transllocation Project which has

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been successfully operating in the
Coupney for the last four years and

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we've collaborated with six different
communities during that time. So I'll

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turn it over uh to Michael now. Thank
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» Okay, I'll share my screen.

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Just a minute.

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Can everybody see that?
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» Okay. So, good morning everybody. Thank
you for the opportunity for us to

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present on our wild turkey
transllocations that we've been doing

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now for four years.
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There we go.
Okay. So, in 2022, we submitted a

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ministerial request to trap and relocate
turkeys from BC into southwest u

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Alberta. And the residents there in BC
had been submitting complaints to the

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various governments and municipalities
about the growing wild turkey population

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in several of their towns. And there are
few predators in these communities. Um,

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a lot of fruit bearing trees, uh, bird
feeders in the yards and and residents

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are feeding them as well. And and these
town populations just aren't being

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harvested by hunters given their
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So, here's an example of the the damage
or uh the problems that turkeys create

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when they're in the towns. The uh the
back door of this residence in radium is

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piled inches high with turkey droppings
just really unusable. And the photo of

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the on the right is a turkey roost tree
in the town of Invamir. Um they kill the

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trees over time if if enough of them uh
use the trees long enough and they just

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do a lot of damage overall in the towns.
They can fly through windows, damage

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vehicles and they could also become a
bit aggressive at certain times of the

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year.
And these are just images from the town

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of Kimberly where they take over the
sidewalks as they move through the

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neighborhoods.
So the way we're trapping the turkeys in

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these communities, we're using a box
trap that's uh constructed of 4-in steel

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mesh. It's 8 ft x 16 ft. It's uh easy to
handle, um simple to use. We pre-bait it

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and the turkeys enter the traps
themselves when there's enough snow

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cover on the ground through the funnel.
And uh otherwise we use a drop door uh

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to uh trap them inside. And it's just
it's simple, it's efficient, it's fairly

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dis uh discreet and well suited for that
urban environment.

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And then we go into each trap, we cover
it with a tarp to sort of prevent them

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from flushing up. We go in, we hook them
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into turkey crates.
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pens where we disease test them for aven
influenza and a few other things. And we

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hold them in these pens while we're
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Did you breathe?
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» water, and check on them daily. And we
also have cellular trail cams in there

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to monitor them as well. And then uh the
release locations in on the Alberta

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side, they're primarily situated in
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large open spaces where land owners feed
livestock ideally through the winter

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months because the turkeys really do
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winters get especially tough.
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get involved with the releases and
they're great at keeping us informed on

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how the turkeys are doing out there as
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And to date, we've transllocated a
little over 600 turkeys from BC into

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southwest Alberta. And it's really a a
win-win for those BC res residents that

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uh want them gone from [clears throat]
their yards and their neighborhoods. And

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for Alberta, where we want to boost our
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And then last year, we began fitting
some adult turkey hens with GPS style um

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transmitters. And this year and last
year, we fit tags on to 30 resident

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birds. So birds that have been in
Alberta at least a year or more. And

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then 30 newly transllocated birds that
were just brought in that winter. So we

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can contrast their survival, movement,
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And this is an just an example of an
email that was sent to us um the first

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winter we were working in the Castlegar
area. This is in area F just north of

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Nelson across the bridge uh along the
3A, but this resident uh had heard we

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had been in the Castlegar area and sent
us this email uh asking if we would come

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take 40 turkeys away um that that live
there year round. They poop everywhere

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where the kids are playing. Just very
obnoxious. Um

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and this is another example of an email
that we received this this past year.

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Similarly, he had heard we were in the
Castlegar area and he wanted to take

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part in the relocation program. He said
he has 20 to 30 birds that stay on his

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property throughout the year and this is
in the Pass Creek area and he says there

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are several other flocks um around. So,
um maybe there are areas at the south

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end of E that might have turkey
problems. We just don't know where all

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the problem birds are. So any
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um then this past week we also received
another email from um a few residents in

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the Slocan Valley and the Passmore area
that would like their problem birds

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taken away. They're causing a lot of
problems there. So um this year we're

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hoping this upcoming winter we're hoping
to focus our efforts um between

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Castlegar and Nelson and and we could do
that with your support.

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» Yeah, I'll just uh quickly wrap up. So,
yeah, thanks for your time today. Um, so

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the continuation of this work requires a
wildlife act permit and the Alberta

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Conservation Association has submitted
their permit application to the province

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and our decision maker is expected to
review and make a decision within the

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next one to two months. Um so we're
respectfully asking the board to

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consider providing a letter of support
for the project. Uh we'd also like to

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acknowledge and sincerely thank the
directors who have already provided

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emails of support um to Anna Mackandu.
Um and offering for any directors who u

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might not have heard of the project if
you would like to support to also uh

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provide an email of support um to Anna
Mackando. These letters and emails

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really help to demonstrate uh local
government support and they're really

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valuable uh for a decision maker to
consider during the review process. Um

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so thanks for your time and for your
interest.

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» Yes, Michael, we do have a few
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» Sure.
>> Um we'll go over to them now. So

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Director Doom, go ahead.
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» I'm a retired conservation officer from
Preston. We were trapping turkeys in the

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crested area back in the 90s. We were
sending them through with Idaho fishing

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game down to California and our
biologists locally and provinially did

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not want them moved within the province
and um I think slide three tells you why

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it's be careful what you wish for. Um
the other thing that you're moving them

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to cattle country and one of the
problems we had was turkeys

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contaminating cattle feed. So when
cattle were in feed lots the turkeys

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were in there a lot. So, um I I guess
it's again be careful what you wish for.

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I don't know if you're having those
problems yet, but um if they become

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large in number, you may you may regret
doing this because um of the problems

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they've caused locally. So, it it's just
from my own experience, and I don't know

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if you've had any of those type of
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you probably will.
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first introduced into Alberta in the
'60s and the numbers did get fairly high

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initially and most of these ranchers um
had turkeys in the past so they are

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aware of what they can do. Um we're
definitely not releasing them near feed

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lots. These are like winter feed grounds
where they're spreading green feed and

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and whatnot. and and we have placed some
automated feeders out there too when

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we're where we're just lacking that. And
we do understand that they could create

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problems. We all know that. Um and the
ranchers know that and they're okay with

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that and we're willing to also, you
know, mitigate any issues that do come

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up if they come up. Um so yeah, it's a
wait and see, but yeah, everyone's aware

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of what could happen.

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You good? Charger pop.
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question. This is just a comment and I'm
glad that you've received uh complaints

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from residents in the Slocan Valley. The
primary area that has received a lot of

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trouble from turkeys is Prestoa where we
have Lynen Lane Farms, one of the

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biggest farms in the area and the
turkeys are causing problems there. So,

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I just thought I'd put a plug in for
Prestoa. Thank you.

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» Thank you. And I think in terms of their
presentation, if you want to write a

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letter of support, you can do that.
>> I do.

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» Okay, great. Good.
>> Uh, weatherhead. Thank you. Through the

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chair. Um, besides um the for game
purposes as as to be what they were

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first introduced for in the 60s. Uh, is
there any other benefit to Alberta to

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have these non-native wild species?
That is ultimately the goal just to have

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more hunting opportunity. Like the
places where we are releasing them,

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we're asking, you know, that they don't
allow hunting for the first several

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years because we want the populations to
expand, but ultimately that is the goal.

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Um there is a very high demand for it in
Alberta and it's very limited. It's

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actually a draw system here where only
50 tags are are awarded each year and

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and those 50 tags aren't even being
filled each year. And uh it's a very

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different situation from what BC has.
You have a spring and a fall season and

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and three birds, you know, in the year
that you could harvest and it's a, you

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know, a tom bearded bird only season in
the month of May here. But ultimately,

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yeah, it is to, you know, increase
hunting opportunity, but it's going to

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take
a long time, I think, before we get

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to anything uh close to what you might
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» Thank you. This supplemental to that
perhaps someone our colleagues know then

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is there any also any way of helping
some of these overpop populated turkey

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areas by allowing more tags per per
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I think you'd have to ask the co and the
province that question

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that question as well as
>> through the chair director if you can

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just make sure everyone can hear you.
>> Go ahead. It's a safety issue. Um,

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turkeys occupy places where there barns,
houses, and so you have to be very

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careful where you hunt them. And I think
that's why they've increased the numbers

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to to cause a problem because where they
are is not the safest place to hunt.

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» Thank you. Thank you.
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where we're focusing our efforts. We're
not going and um transllocating turkeys

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from from the big open wild areas.

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» Thank you. That is all we have our
questions. I'll note I when I lived in

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Meadow Creek, I raised uh domestic
turkeys, but they looked exactly like

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the wild turkeys. And that was really
fun to watch them fence to fence. And uh

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they don't taste as good when they're
wild, but

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it was a fun project with my son.
Um in terms of a letter of support, oh,

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Paige, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
>> Sorry, I maybe I missed it. Where's the

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funding for this coming from?
um various we've uh well we've received

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funding from um
several fish and game associations here

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in Alberta and then ACA
ourselves were funding a big part of it.

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Um but yeah, various funding a you know
um volunteer groups and uh fish and game

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associations and ACA
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um doesn't have a budget for this
project other than uh staff time to help

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out and you know reviewing applications
and such. It's um yeah the funding is

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from Alberta
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was originally a domestic population.
It's an invasive species, right?

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» Turkeys aren't native to BC.
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» Yeah, they're invasive.

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» Thank you.
>> Uh, in terms of process, when it comes

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to a letter of support, we don't uh take
action uh post a delegation, but if um

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any of our directors want to make that
motion for next month, we will debate it

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then. So, we'll wait to see if one of
our directors comes forward with a

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request for a letter of support.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you.
All right. Thank you so much. Have a

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great day and thanks for your work.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» All right, directors. We are on 3.1.1.
Uh, welcome, director. Sorry, didn't

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take 3.1.1. Nelson and Dick District
Commission.

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» Okay. um that the RDCK board approved
renewing the municipal service agreement

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with the city of Nelson from the OBI
wheelchair services over here by

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Lakeside for an additional three years
starting on May 1st, 2026 with ending uh

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May April 30th, 2029 and further board
be authorized to execute the agreement.

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» Second.
>> Thank you. Discussion

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all those in favor.
>> Then 3.2 2. The board would authorize

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staff to work with the city of Nelson to
increase the maximum parking lot time

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limits at the Nelson and District
community complex for two from two hours

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to three hours.
>> Thank you. Second, Mrs. participants

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only waited discussion.
>> All those in favor?

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» Opposed? Carried. Uh, three, that the
board authorize staff to negotiate an

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enter into a long-term facility use
agreement with the Nelson Leafs Hockey

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Society for use of the Nelson District
Community Complex for three August 1st,

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2026 to July 31st, 2029 and the option
to renew for two additional years and

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further the board chair and corporate
officer be authorized to sign the

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agreement upon successful negotiation.
>> Second.

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» Thank you. All vote waited discussion.
All those in favor? Opposed? He carried.

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» And finally, that the board approved the
RDCK enter into a one-year concession

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service agreement in the district
complex with GSL group commencing on

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September 1st, 2026 and ending August
31st, 2027 with the option to extend for

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two one-year periods and four chair
officer be authorized to execute the

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agreement. Chair,
>> can you second it and then discuss it?

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» No.
>> Would anyone second this? Okay.

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» Thank you. for discussion. Go ahead, N.
>> I have a couple of questions. Go ahead.

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» First of all, I voted in favor of this
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» if that may have any weight in what I'm
going to ask. Um my first question is um

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through to uh Stuart.
Can

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a commission board
uh award a contract

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uh that is um
in contradiction to uh staff

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recommendation from their process
through the chair as long as it remains

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within our purchasing policy process.
Yes.

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supplemental.
>> Uh, yeah, I've got a few. I just I'm

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going to have to process this. So, I
pause for a moment. It It's I don't have

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a spec I need some answers before I can
ask. Um,

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what would be the process at
this table

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for the commission to reconsider a
decision of the commission?

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In other words, if I want to change my

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my mind to the chair, if you want to
change your mind, then you would vote

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against this motion.
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Um
as a sorry everyone uh this

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um
uh so against the motion.

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Okay. Um
Okay. We'll see if it's second.

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» It is. It's on the floor.
>> Okay.

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» Speak to motion.
>> Um, you have I'm going to go to Schmink

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and then I can come back to you. Go
ahead.

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» We refer this back to the commission for
consider reconsideration.

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» You can also do that. I do have Craig
that just popped on. I just want to

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check um what he might have to add to
the discussion, but yes, thank you. That

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is an option. You refer back to the
commission depending on timing. Uh Craig

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is was there anything you want to add to
this?

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» No, through the chair. I was just uh
listening to the conversation and if

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asked any specific questions I can
answer.

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» Okay. So yes, that is the other process
you could do.

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» Um
>> so hold on.

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» Okay. It's not my turn. [laughter]
>> I just want to ensure that everyone has

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a chance. I do understand what
>> I didn't get to ask my my

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» Go ahead.
>> Think, but it I don't want to. I was bad

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enough yesterday. I'll probably be
better today. [laughter]

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» Go ahead, Director Newell. And then
>> I'd like to move referral to the

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upcoming
um commission meeting. I think it's in

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uh August 26th, if I'm not mistaken, to
revisit, refer this to that meeting.

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» Okay. Now, we have a speaker list which
is likely not on referral. So,

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technically, are you seconding that
referral?

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» Uh, no. I have a question on referral.
>> Can you hold your referral? Let's go

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through the questions. Okay, thank you.
Uh, so I do have pop off before you,

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Paige.
>> Yeah,

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» pop off. Go ahead.
>> Thank you, Chair. That that was exactly

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my question. Can it be referred?
>> Yeah, you just clarified that. Um,

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Paige, over to you.
>> Okay. So, I guess this is a question to

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staff, though. I'm certainly curious
about Director New's concern on this

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topic since we don't have a majority of
commission at this table. Um, this has

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gone out through a process. We've
already voted on it. We have a September

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1st start. How does this impact
potential starts that have been

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communicated through the bid process? Is
this

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put us in any kind of constraint or
problems? Is it okay to refer this off

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to August and come back in September
board or October board or November

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board?
>> Yeah, through the chair after the

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commission. Yeah, thanks. through the
chair. After the commission meeting, uh

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staff did reach out to the proponents to
let them know the result of the uh the

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discussion with commission and the the u
motion going in front of the board. Um

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so we have uh drafted an agreement for
the successful proponent in anticipation

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of the board discussion. What this
referral would do is delay at least

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until the next board meeting a decision
to award this. So it would be um as soon

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as possible after the the next board
meeting if possible. If if the decision

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was was reversed
uh then then we would certainly have to

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have that conversation with the the
second proponent and as whether they

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could start as soon as possible. But
right now it it we are anticipating the

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successful proponent uh be ready to go
on September 1st.

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thinking from a time perspective, if it
went back to the commission, you're

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looking at a September board approval.
If the proponent changed, then you're

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looking at at least October before they
would start. That's what I'm hearing,

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right?
>> Supplemental.

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» Yes. Go ahead.
>> Um, [clears throat]

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are we in any way able to change the
extension options? Like I think we heard

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a commission this will be coming back
before the next season regardless to see

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if we want to extend this another year.
It's not presumed on either side

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» you through the chair. That's not an
automatic renewal. That would have to

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come to commission and then board to
automatically or sorry renew that based

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on any direction staff were given about
the operation of the concession.

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Certainly evaluating the performance of
the of the uh the concession services

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and then making the recommendation to
the commission and then the board to

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renew. But in the meantime, commission
could always give staff uh uh direction

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to not renew.
>> Okay. So, I think I'm opposed to

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referral for those reasons that we can
get to the city here.

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» Thank you. Yeah, the motion states this
would go to it's a one-year contract.

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Uh, Lockwood,
>> I know this is not my it's just curious

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if they if if the proponents have
already been told that it's only the

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process of going through here, is there
any opportunity for those proponents to

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legally sue

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the board, the RD, whoever that they
didn't get

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just because it hasn't gone through this
process

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» for the [snorts] chair. If it gets
referred,

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» yeah,
>> if it gets referred, no,

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» there there would be no grounds for
anything on that. However, the current

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recommended proponent from the
commission's meeting, if that got

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changed to a different proponent and the
report has outlined that the proponent

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that Steph is suggesting has rated so
much higher and then be switched to a

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different proponent mentioned in the
report, that's

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got a proponent who knows that they
ranked higher and that it's been changed

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to a different proponent
versus someone

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Can you put me on the list, please?
>> Yeah, just a really quick question just

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because it sounds like you might have
the vote on referral. Um, if this gets

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extended, so now you don't have a start
date of September 1st, does that mean

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that the concession is without a
working concession for that extra month

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that is going to take?
[clears throat]

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» Yeah, through the chair that's that's
potential. We have filled in in the past

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with um temporary uh concession
operators, but it would be uh

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logistically challenging in this
situation if we were to try to get

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somebody for a month at a time.
>> Thank you.

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» And
thank you, Mr. Chair. Is it possible to

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uh defer this decision until later on in
the meeting so the three directors could

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actually have a quick conversation
>> there? Procedurally, you can table a

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motion. It's currently on the floor. You
can table it. I would just note your

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full commission is not here. So, it but
yes, you do procedurally you can't

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table. Right.
>> Okay. Through the chair, [clears throat]

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they could table, but the
director shank is not on the commission

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» and you have to be careful about whether
or not you're having a commission

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meeting,
>> right, during this meeting. So, through

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the chair, I would not recommend
tableabling it for the purposes of a

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side discussion.

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And I would suggested uh having a table
just for the purpose of clarification

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between the directors.

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» You are proposing tableabling it.
>> Yes.

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» So that would just move it to later in
the meeting.

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» Yes.
>> And you have been noted that that's

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. Um tableabling ranch. Can you

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remind me again? That's a second and a
motion.

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So it would be postponing postponing
postponing the item until um an item

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that you want to address or use the end
of the meeting to be postponed.

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» Okay. So there has been a motion to
postpone it. Is there a second? Is that

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a second page?
>> Okay. Uh can we discuss postponing?

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» No. No.
>> All those in favor?

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» Sure. opposed.
Okay. So, we will postpone until

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» before

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the morning break.
>> We'll put it at the end

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» just so that we stay on track with
everything else. There's other big

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conversations today.
>> Okay. So, that was postponed.

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Can you put that right before um in
camera, Angela?

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Okay.
Area A, economic development.

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» Yes. So there are two recommendations.
One is all waited because it's financial

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all. So I would like to move that the
board approve an amendment to the 2026

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financial plan for S107
as stated.

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» Second.
Thank you. Discussion.

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All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
>> Second one. Simply all vote. Move the

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board approve grant allocation of
$10,000 to self cumulate services

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society for the 3D inversion of the
phase 6 data. We have second thank you

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discussion.

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» All those in favored

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pass district commission. I move that
board authorize staff to negotiate an

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enter into a facility use agreement with
the Castlegar Hockey Society for the use

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of the Castle Garden District Community
Complex from August 1st, 2026 to July

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31st, 2027 with the option to renew for
two additional one-year terms and that

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the board chair and corporate officer be
authorized to sign each agreement upon

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successful negotiation.
Is there a second?

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» Oh, yes. [laughter] I'm like reading it
and then I can't reach you.

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» Discussion.
All those in favor? Opposed?

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» We're delivered. There was a package
that we never picked up.

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» Paris.
>> Thank you. Um, we do not need to read

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motions verbatim. If you want to
summarize, that's great. Thank you.

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[clears throat] Uh water services
committee

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» um nonverbatimly
we are thinking about trying to um

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support nonRDCK water systems and so we
have this motion that you've all read

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that uh I'd like to move second.
>> Thank you. I am and this is participants

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waited. I am just going to speak quickly
that through the nine community planning

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meetings we held for area D in the last
couple of weeks um area D only has one

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RDCK water system and about unknown
amount of non RD owned all community run

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they do great work but this and water
system support was one of the biggest

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issues communities are facing so I did
um I know too sorry village of castle

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delivers on the other one me on the
pipes in the ground So, one and a half

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I'll say. Um, thank you, Julie. Just
wanted to note that this actually is

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something I referred to quite a bit in
our community planning conversations and

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residents were grateful that we were
looking at how can we support through

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governance and guidance. So, thank you
for that weatherhead. Oh, thank you.

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chair does have a question on uh the I
didn't get this clarified forgot to in

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the water services meeting was uh which
account pays for the work being done on

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long is it water service account or is
it admin

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» um the work that is proposed here and
that you're directed to do is meant to

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be paid out of the rural administration
uh contribution to service uh A103

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which holds that uh administrative
portion of all assistance.

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» Thank you.
>> Good to know because those are the

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participants. Uh Schmid go ahead. Uh
thank you to the chair uh to staff just

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I hope that in development of this uh
framework that they also include

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a corral somehow to to limit how many
people are going to be applying at once

420
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:07,679
because I don't want to get into
situation where we have 400 people

421
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:12,079
applying for something. So I just just
in context that could be included that

422
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:16,240
would be nice to see how that would be
included.

423
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:22,079
» Go ahead. If I may through the chair, uh
we have as part of our acquisition

424
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:28,560
strategy already laid out that we limit
the numbers of systems that we consider

425
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:34,399
is always the the board's decision how
many we accept but we currently have

426
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:39,480
limited ourselves in that strategy to
one to two systems per year. Thank you.

427
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:45,000
» All right then. All those in favor

428
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:51,520
Valley Services Committee
go ahead.

429
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:56,159
» Okay, there's four motions here. Start
with um first one is that the board

430
00:34:53,679 --> 00:35:02,079
approve an amendment to the 2026 year of
the 20 26 to 2030 financial plan for

431
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:08,880
service 108
require BNC to increase grants expense

432
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:13,839
by 77,000 and decrease contracted
services by 77,000 to have funds

433
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:17,839
available to support field forward work
in the Preston Valley.

434
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,079
» Uh second
>> yes

435
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,560
» and a question. has a question.
>> Go ahead.

436
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:28,720
» So, the question actually pertains to
the next. Just giving a heads up.

437
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,520
» I'm good on this first one. Okay.
>> Okay.

438
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:37,760
» Thank you.
>> Uh any discussions on this motion?

439
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:41,040
» All those in favor? Opposed?
Or we could we go ahead and have

440
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:45,520
director Doom move the next one and then
I'll go to you for a question? Thank

441
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:50,400
you, Doom. Go ahead. A second motion
then is that the board approve a grant

442
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:55,040
payment of up to $77,000
field forward from service 108 economic

443
00:35:53,119 --> 00:36:00,160
development for the purposes of
supporting its capital and operational

444
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,160
budget for 2026
>> seconded.

445
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:11,040
Thank you Venber. Go ahead.
>> Thank you. I'd like to uh amend this

446
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:16,240
motion uh for the amount up to 70,000.
Uh the reason for it is is that the

447
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:22,240
contribution from area A um has been
made and it can't be reflected in the

448
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:27,839
S108 transfer. Um so in order to to
accommodate that if we reduce the amount

449
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:32,960
payable out to that that the amount that
I'm suggesting 70,000

450
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:39,680
um that allows the influx of money from
area A without overpaying uh and then

451
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:45,359
it's really
it's really then causing other issues.

452
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,800
» Okay. So, let's just go to A. And that's
a friendly amendment. Or is that Do you

453
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,920
want to Are you seconding that
amendment?

454
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:57,200
» Yeah. Well, I will second the amendment
and I could give a little more

455
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,000
clarification if you wanted as well.
>> If you're good with it, I think we're

456
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:05,440
good with it.
>> If it's later in the meeting.

457
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:09,920
» Okay. So, we're changing it to 70,000
from 77.

458
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:15,359
That's an amendment at this time.
Further discussion on that?

459
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:20,400
is I'm going to go to Ben.
>> Yeah, I guess this is a question to that

460
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:24,320
motion. Um, it says up to 77,000. So,
that gives us a flexibility of anything.

461
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:28,320
So, I don't know why we need to change
that motion. If it was a precise figure,

462
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,880
I would agree with you, but it's not a
precise figure.

463
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:33,520
» Let's just check with staff on that real
quick if we need to be precise with

464
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,400
that.
>> Well, to the church, the board's desired

465
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,440
whether you want to be precise with it.
It's okay.

466
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,240
» So, sorry, Jacine. I'll go back to you
for explanation.

467
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:47,839
» Yes. So, I do want to speak. Okay.
>> Our direction of finance very

468
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,520
successfully has been following a board
meeting. They generally issue these

469
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:56,800
grants within the remaining days of that
month. They can't issue an up to $77,000

470
00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,320
check. So Fields Forward will be without
money. They're going to run out of

471
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,520
operating funds. Later you'll see is
recommending 10,000 community

472
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:09,040
development because they have to
reconvene economic development test 107

473
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:13,119
committee mission to do anything else.
You need a hard number if our finance

474
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,680
can't act on it because I've taken
action. If the board approves community

475
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,839
development, you don't need the full 77
based on what was requested. So, I

476
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:26,320
strongly support you pick a firm number
so finance can issue a check. Otherwise,

477
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:30,640
it'll come back in September, I'm sure,
and probably be then locked or stalled

478
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:34,000
till November. And I'm fearful they'll
run out of operative funds because

479
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:38,160
they're down to the work. So, I'm going
to go ahead and suggest that your

480
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:45,040
amendment is removing up two and
changing it from 77 to 70. So, it's a

481
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:50,480
payment of 70,000. Good. Good. Okay.
Further discussion

482
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:55,359
on the amendment. All those in favor?
Anybody opposed?

483
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:59,640
And on the amended motion now, all those
in favor? Opposed?

484
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Okay. Go ahead, Finn, on the next one.
>> Okay. The next one is that the board

485
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:14,000
approve the RCK enter to a one-year
concession services agreement at the

486
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:18,960
Quest Community Complex with Rick's iron
cattle restaurant commencing on

487
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:24,560
September 1st and ending on October or
August 31st, 2027 with options to renew

488
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,480
for two one-year periods with no
approval and that the board chair

489
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:33,040
corporate officer be authorized to
execute the second.

490
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:37,760
» Thank you. discussion.
Uh no,

491
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:44,160
» a question through to someone. Uh is uh
Rick's Iron Kettle Restaurant a local

492
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,960
company?
>> Yes, they are.

493
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:50,640
» Thank you very much.
>> I only know that because Jacine was

494
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:55,040
nodding.
>> I have my head down. I'm scared to ask

495
00:39:52,480 --> 00:40:00,480
questions.
>> Uh further discussion.

496
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:03,520
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
and the report.

497
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:07,760
» And number four is that the board
authorize staff to negotiate and enter

498
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:12,240
into a facility use agreement with the
Crestston Valley Union Hockey Society

499
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:18,000
the use of the Crestston district
community complex from August 1st, 2026

500
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:23,839
to July 31st, 2027 with the option to
renew for two additional one-year terms

501
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,880
that the board author
sign each agreement upon successful

502
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:31,200
negotiations.
>> Thank you. I have a second from Tyranny

503
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:37,520
discussion.
All those in favor opposed. [snorts]

504
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,680
All right. 3.1.6
lake committee director view it.

505
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,800
» All right. I'm going to move this for
discussion. Okay.

506
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:49,040
» Um that the board approved the RDCK
entering the lease agreement with Castle

507
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:56,480
Search and Rescue for shared use
firehouse common and lease of an office

508
00:40:52,720 --> 00:41:01,920
space for a period of of 5 years
years. Um and the chair and corporate

509
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:04,400
officer be authorized to sign.
>> I'll second that. Do you want to discuss

510
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:10,640
it? Go ahead.
>> Uh yes. If there is anyone from fire

511
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:17,200
services on, I would like to uh we
discussed at our meeting on Monday

512
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:23,440
whether uh search and rescue had an
opportunity to review the agreement and

513
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:26,880
provide any feedback. and I hope that
that happens so we don't have to

514
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:31,359
actually
delay this because I I really want their

515
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,880
input.
>> Thank you to the chair. Uh it's my

516
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,560
understanding they had a board meeting
last night. We have not heard feedback

517
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:42,000
yet. Um however, if there are
substantive changes, we would bring it

518
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:48,319
back to North Kudney Lake Services
Committee uh next month. Anybody can

519
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:54,480
have a supplemental that doesn't uh
through to staff that doesn't uh impact

520
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,680
anything that's going on right now with
the facility then. Correct.

521
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,960
» Uh through the chair. Correct. Uh
they're they're already in place in the

522
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:06,079
facility. The agreement is formalizing
the fact that they're using the space.

523
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:12,319
And if I could have another sentimental,
does that should we change the wording

524
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:17,119
of the motion to reflect
what was just said by Dan so that we're

525
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:22,079
not agreeing to something that's going
to go forward and regardless of because

526
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:27,760
it doesn't sound like there's an option
to consider any feedback from pay. So we

527
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,640
asked that at the shared services
meeting and I was going to emotion.

528
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:35,240
Stuart had indicated that that's our
standard practice. So we don't need it

529
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,240
as

530
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:44,480
anything else down. Okay. Thanks. Oh,
all those in favor. Any other

531
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:50,800
discussion? Sorry.
Okay. All those in favor? Oppose.

532
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,720
Joint reserve recovery director or pop
out.

533
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:56,880
» Yeah. Thank you, chair. Uh
two recommendations there.

534
00:42:56,799 --> 00:43:03,440
» [clears throat]
>> The first one is uh direct staff to

535
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:10,880
undertake a 2026
combo sales plan at the central and

536
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:16,079
credit landfills facilities and to be
available for purchase by customers and

537
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:23,280
the rates are included in the motion and
further revenue from the sales uh plan

538
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:30,400
go to A119 organics program east sub
region and compost sold from the central

539
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,119
area and west sub regions go to A120
organics program central and west sub

540
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:40,319
regions
>> s thank you lwood discussion

541
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:48,720
uh new and then boom
uh I'll be very brief but I just want to

542
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:57,119
acknowledge the 12-year process uh our
resource recovery review this and that

543
00:43:52,800 --> 00:44:05,440
coming to fruition Um
it's it it it's a pretty major thing

544
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:10,800
actually that we're selling compost and
all the stuff we have to go through and

545
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:16,640
the grants and staff and meetings with
the public and commit. It was awesome.

546
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:22,560
So anyway, we're here.
>> Good stuff. uh to the chair to staff if

547
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:26,640
I may. Um do we have a proposed start
date for this that we can advertise to

548
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,640
people because nothing onion or start
date.

549
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:38,480
» So is the question if we will advertise
the sale of these materials through the

550
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:42,800
jet
>> and what the start date would be on that

551
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:48,400
» start date. The start date is not clear
yet because it depends on when we

552
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:54,319
complete the screening of the material
so it's ready for sale. Um but we will

553
00:44:51,760 --> 00:45:00,480
communicate that back to the directors
when when we have materials for sale and

554
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:05,680
we will advertise it. Yeah.
>> Great. I do recall when we originally

555
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:11,760
did the organics conversation, speaking
of history, um that the ability to get

556
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:14,351
to class A was at the time seen as very
prohibitive and that we would likely

557
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,160
only be using it internally.
[clears throat] So, another kudos to the

558
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:26,319
team to getting us to a class A level.
All those in favor? Opposed? Great.

559
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:30,640
» A second one. Go ahead. And the second
recommendation is purchase of the

560
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:39,000
rolloff hoist for a trio axle rolloff
truck for the central sub region and uh

561
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:39,000
with a cost not to exceed $100,958.78

562
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:48,000
and a cost to be paid from service one
S187

563
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:53,359
» second. Thank you discussion.
All those in favor opposed

564
00:45:50,376 --> 00:45:56,319
[clears throat] carried
sustainability director Huitt as the

565
00:45:55,040 --> 00:46:00,079
chair. Go ahead.
>> Right. We have one resolution coming out

566
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,760
of that meeting and it's that the board
direct staff to send a letter of support

567
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:10,319
to Columbia Basin Trust for the College
of the Rockies campus applied

568
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:15,040
agricultural research project.
>> Can I amend that before we continue? I

569
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,160
just structurally it's not a letter from
the staff. It's that the board sent a

570
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,319
letter of support. So, can we remove the
staff, please?

571
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Thank you. Now, I'll second it. All
right. Discussion.

572
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:32,480
» Oh, David off. Yes, go ahead.
>> Yeah, it's not on the motion. It's on

573
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:37,280
another another piece of business that
we discussed that I just wanted clarity

574
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:40,480
on. So, it's not on this motion.
>> Is it on the like the SE slack minutes?

575
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:42,800
Is that what you're referring to?
>> Yes.

576
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:48,480
» Okay. Let's finish this motion and then
I'll take your question. Uh the board

577
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,960
directs
>> what's in the letter.

578
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:57,200
» Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Further
discussion on the letter of support.

579
00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:00,319
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
Director David off. Do you have a

580
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:06,720
question on the minutes?
>> Yes. I I've received questions uh about

581
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:11,680
the governance piece and we are not
making a governance motion here. There

582
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:18,240
isn't one at the board table. We
discussed uh governance and transition

583
00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:22,000
uh of sea slack to to various forms but
staff is still working on that. Is that

584
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:27,359
correct chair?
>> You have item 6.1.3

585
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,920
where the board will discuss uh what the
standing committee community

586
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:34,079
sustainability advisory committee might
look like and that is an item on the

587
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,680
agenda if we go to action will depend on
the board but at this point we do have

588
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:42,960
that item on the agenda later on.
>> Yeah. So in terms of pro process the

589
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:48,319
question was about process it was about
cack making a recommendation

590
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:52,240
» and the key thing sees slack did not
make a recommendation

591
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,920
this is a board recommendation that's
coming up later in the agenda correct

592
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,760
» correct
>> thank you chair

593
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:04,079
» Amy I saw you come on do you want to add
anything to that or

594
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:08,160
» no just uh being present for the
conversation thanks

595
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,160
» thank there.
Okay.

596
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,880
Good. Good. Memberships and
appointments. Uh I believe this is you

597
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:21,520
director popup. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. The following individuals stated

598
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:27,119
in the agenda to be appointed to the
Slocan Valley area south recreation

599
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:32,800
parks community advisory committee for a
term December 31st, 2028.

600
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:39,760
» Thank you. Do we have a second?
Thank you. Any discussion?

601
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:45,079
All those in favor? Opposed?
Carrie. There's something in chat. Is

602
00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:45,079
that just one? Yeah.

603
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:50,960
» Okay. Under correspondence, we have one
letter uh regarding revenue sharing. Any

604
00:48:49,848 --> 00:48:54,000
[clears throat]
questions? We didn't write the letter,

605
00:48:52,240 --> 00:49:02,319
but
good. It's received for information.

606
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:06,800
Uh bylaws 5.1.
>> You can move these as a block. Good.

607
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,480
» All right.
Uh, would anyone like to do that?

608
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:14,160
» As for adoption, we can move them as a
block. Apparently,

609
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:19,119
» I will move them as a block. I will be
so bold.

610
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:23,520
» Brave. Uh, I'll take a second and then I
see David off. Thank you, Vandenberg.

611
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,960
David up, are you willing to pull one of
those?

612
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,119
» Yeah. Uh, unfortunately, about 15
minutes before the meeting, I received a

613
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,960
bunch of
>> Just tell me which one you want to pull

614
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,920
and then I'll put you on 167. The last
one. Sure.

615
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:39,440
» Number five.
>> Yeah.

616
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:44,480
» Okay. So, five is pulled from the block
and just hang on tight.

617
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:48,079
Um pulled
on the rest of the block. Is there any

618
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,119
that need to be pulled? Jackman,
>> sorry. Pulled on on the block. Just Oh,

619
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,920
wait. Nothing else to pull. I just want
to speak to the block.

620
00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:00,160
» Okay. Anything else that wants to be
pulled?

621
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:06,559
Go ahead, Jackman. just because I
haven't all I went back three OCP

622
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:11,040
amendments 10 years this is pretty
comprehensive not everything is aligned

623
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:17,440
I'm patient to wait for our joint OCP
reviews but I see everyone I looked at

624
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:22,079
especially early a is aligned with what
we asked for

625
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:28,640
pretty detailed correction I think of
what happened between 2024 and no but so

626
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:34,640
many numbers I feel so bad for our
I really hope at some point they will

627
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:39,520
come out and take an OCP review from
bottom because no way anybody can follow

628
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:44,240
this unless you happen to have all the
files I have on my

629
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,800
staff and you've been happy to follow it
all

630
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:51,599
» staff can follow.
>> Thank you. So on the block all those in

631
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:57,599
favor
opposed carried. Uh now Dr. David off

632
00:50:54,720 --> 00:51:00,400
I'll go to you for number five. Yes,
it's on adoption, so don't move it. Go

633
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,800
ahead and ask your question.
>> Yeah, thank you, chair. So, basically 15

634
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:10,079
minutes before the meeting started, I
received uh uh questions and a telephone

635
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:16,559
call about
um what was happening in other areas in

636
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:23,440
with this amendment, particularly
dealing with a zones and then why that

637
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:29,200
wasn't in ours. And I really can't uh
vote on this until I speak to staff now.

638
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:36,720
I said I'd get back to the to the
constituent tomorrow. Uh but I can't I

639
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:40,960
can't move adoption of this without
clarity. So could I refer it to the

640
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:45,760
September meeting?
>> Yes, I believe you can.

641
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:52,160
» Yeah, go ahead. So, I just move to refer
that to the September meeting uh to

642
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:55,680
allow for clarity. Uh as as director
Jackman mentioned, this is very

643
00:51:53,599 --> 00:52:00,480
confusing for our constituents.
>> Okay, thank you. So, it's been referred.

644
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:06,160
Is there a second?
Thank you, Tony. Uh anything on referral

645
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,880
» the September.
>> September board. Yes. Thanks, San. All

646
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:19,440
those in favor? Opposed? Very good.
Thank you chair. Thank you.

647
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:23,599
» Uh chair, directors, and alternate
directors remunation amendment. Before

648
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,359
we go to third, uh because once we go to
third, we don't generally make changes.

649
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,359
I'm going to open it up to the floor for
discussion.

650
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:40,240
I got Len Weatherhead.
Go ahead, Director L.

651
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:45,040
Sure. Um after we we had a long
conversation last board meeting

652
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:52,359
surrounding the rural municipal director
split. Um and so I wanted to draw the

653
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,359
board's attention to section.

654
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,119
Dr. L. I'm just going to I'm just
noticing that it's hard to hear you a

655
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,319
little bit just
>> Yeah. And I have

656
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:09,280
» Oh, I'm agitation thing, but I'll I'll
speak I'll try to speak louder. I'm not

657
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:16,240
sick. some mess. Um section 3.5 and it's
speaking to the allocation between uh

658
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:21,440
municipal director and um
and rural director. And so the service

659
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:27,280
split for this for rural directors is
calculated at 54% to general

660
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:34,559
administration and 46%
to rural um administration.

661
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:40,720
And um based on the conversation
uh the rationale for um higher

662
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:49,319
compensation for world directors is for
the actual work that directors do. So

663
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:49,319
I'm proposing an amendment. I'm sorry.

664
00:53:50,240 --> 00:54:00,559
Forward it to an I guess but just for
rural I'm proposing an amendment to the

665
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:07,839
allocation between rural admin and
general admin. So um uh to for each

666
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:12,880
rural director an amount equivalent to
the stipen paid to a municipal director

667
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:16,480
will be allocated to general
administration

668
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:21,440
and any amount exceeding the municipal
director stipend would be allocated to

669
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:25,839
the rural administration.
>> Is there a way you can put that motion

670
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,520
in chat and circulate it to us?
Generally [clears throat] we to discuss

671
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:35,280
a motion beyond
>> to I could email it to or just send it

672
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,880
to an and she can circulate it.
>> It's sustain.

673
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:44,640
» Go ahead sir.
>> So do the chair of director want just to

674
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:48,400
confirm what you're So right now 39%
of the rule stipen gets allocated to

675
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:52,720
rule and then in 61 it was the general.
You're essentially proposing to flip

676
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:57,920
that because the the municipal statement
is 39% of the rule statement.

677
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:02,559
» So you're proposing to flip that
allocation.

678
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:09,040
» Yeah. Well, in the bylaw, it has just a
random amount of 54.

679
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:13,119
» Yeah. Or flip it just so that they um
the base rate is charged to general

680
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:19,599
admin for the base worker of the board.
And then um anything over and above that

681
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:25,040
base rate that's gi um al paid to rural
directors that um is allocated to the

682
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:30,319
rural administration fund. Just
>> it's a principal thing.

683
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,520
» It's just make sure you
>> Yeah. Do you understand what what is

684
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,000
being proposed here? Yeah.
>> Thanks for the chair. So the

685
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:42,319
» Yeah. Can you come up online?
>> Yeah. Um correct me if I'm wrong, but

686
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:50,880
through the chair. So I think what
you're proposing is the the the

687
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:55,599
municipal portion or or municipal
director's

688
00:55:52,559 --> 00:56:04,079
uh stipend as a percentage of the rural
directors gets charged to m to S100 and

689
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,359
then the remainder goes to so it just
basically changes this formula

690
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:15,520
» and then the remainder would get charged
to S101 but it there's no change to the

691
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:17,119
stipens. It's just changing
the

692
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,240
» It's just really hard for people to hear
online. So, if you just pause, let Dev

693
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,280
finish.
>> So, we're just flipping the allocation,

694
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:26,400
not the rates.
>> Yes.

695
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,280
» Okay. So, we still need the motion. One
second.

696
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,400
I have to send it by

697
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,680
email it to me and I can put it in

698
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:56,760
access.
>> I'm trying to get it in both because I

699
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:56,760
can't go between the two.

700
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,400
Yeah,

701
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:22,640
» I'm just going to read it.
that the board approve that for

702
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:26,559
attending to the affairs of the district
each municipal director will be paid

703
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,520
twice per month. This is not the motion.
>> Oh,

704
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:34,079
» and each role director will be paid
twice per month from general and rule.

705
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,760
» Sorry. Yeah,
>> that is not the motion.

706
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:43,680
» That was
so just afterwards the service split for

707
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:46,559
the site for the rural directors. Sorry,
Director Len, I'm going to ask you to

708
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,000
work on the motion and I'm going to go
to the rest of the conversation because

709
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:53,559
we need a very clear motion on what
we're doing. [clears throat]

710
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:06,799
» So, get you on the motion and I'm going
to go to the rest of the speakers. Okay.

711
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:12,160
» Weatherhead.
>> Oh, thank you. Um, I'm getting through

712
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:20,720
the chair. So, I'm going to throw this
out here and I may do this completely

713
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:29,040
incorrectly. I've just sent it to an um
this is based on uh item 325

714
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:33,440
which is uh 2126
in the remuneration wording. First six

715
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:37,040
board workshops attended by a director
each year are part of the regular

716
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:43,359
duties. do not draw additional stipend
related expenses

717
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:50,559
um a as a as per board policy. What I'm
proposing is actually rescending that

718
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:54,880
and replacing it with
board workshops attended by a director

719
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:59,760
each year are part of regular duties
where attendance shall be counted to

720
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:07,119
draw additional stipend and related
expenses as paid as per or policy. Um,

721
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:11,440
and if anybody
I would need a second to be able to have

722
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:14,000
motions written out in the sent us.
>> I sent it.

723
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:18,799
» Okay. An do you have that?
>> An does not have it. We do not have it.

724
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,880
» Sorry. Why is it not sending? Okay.
Sorry. I see why it's not.

725
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:26,079
» This is why motions in advance are so
critical.

726
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:29,520
» I did send it in advance
in advance.

727
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:31,839
» I know. I saw it. An did not get it. So
that's

728
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:37,000
» I sent it to an Yeah. couple days ago.
But that's okay cuz I expected to

729
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,000
resend.

730
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:49,599
» You do.
>> So we're flagging that L has a motion.

731
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:54,280
We're waiting for an can you send the
motion Frank Director Weatherhead.

732
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:24,280
Do we need to resend it then the
previous one?

733
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:33,799
Angela, would we need to resend
or would we just move the new motion?

734
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:43,240
um
to dissolve. Sorry, that be

735
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,240
» because we haven't adopted the bylaw.
Can we not just move a new motion? And

736
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:57,319
when we get to third, we're amending the
bylaw as per all the motions we get.

737
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,319
Correct.

738
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:05,240
» Oh, yeah. Okay. So, sorry. this
we would

739
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:14,000
we would probably have to send that
>> but it's not a motion it's a section of

740
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:22,000
a report
>> it says which is um 212-

741
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:29,119
» oh it's the motion
so it is it is a it is a recommendation

742
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,040
we do have to resend the original
motion.

743
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:34,640
» Yeah,
>> let's just go ahead.

744
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:38,960
» So, through the chair, the motion was
for staff to essentially amend the bylaw

745
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:43,359
that's been acted on. You can't resend a
motion that's been acted on. You've got

746
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:50,960
to now propose an amendment to bylaw
3088, which is a bylaw to amend 2710 to

747
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:55,359
add a section in place of whatever
section is in there. And I'll need a

748
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,480
second because I'm working on director
Lun's motion right now. But that's the

749
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:04,720
way this has to go is that you're
proposing an amendment to bylaw 3088,

750
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:07,839
which is a bylaw to amend bylaw 2710.
And you then you put in what your

751
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:11,440
section is that you're adding and what
you're deleting. So for example,

752
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:17,440
director L's motion will be that an
amendment be made to bylaw 3088 to amend

753
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:21,599
bylaw 2710 section 3 subsection 5 from
and then I've inputed what it reads now

754
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:26,000
to and then what it's going to read.
>> Okay. So that's what needs to be done

755
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:32,720
for this the section that's on board
workshops. It needs to say that by 30 be

756
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:36,960
amended to amend that section from
what's in there to whatever director

757
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:41,119
Weatherhead is proposing.
>> That's the motion. So, I would like to

758
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,339
propose given that I know that there is
this motion, that motion, there's two

759
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,280
other motions coming forward and
[clears throat] while some of you sent

760
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:51,839
them in advance, I would like to give
staff the time to make sure we've got

761
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:57,440
the right motions when they get to the
floor. So, um I would suggest we move to

762
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:00,680
another item at this time and come back
to this.

763
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:07,520
Otherwise, I could withdraw and just
flag for staff staff for the next

764
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,720
iteration.
It's okay. It's not that it's it's not

765
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,000
that you can't do it. It's just getting
it right. And I just don't want us to

766
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,200
rush through making sure we get it
right. So, it's not a problem that

767
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:23,200
there's emotion. We just want to get it
right. And so, the question right now

768
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:27,799
is, can we just give staff time to work
this out? I had Paige and then

769
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:27,799
Cunningham.

770
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:35,280
» There's a huge speakers list. None of
you are proposing motions, correct?

771
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:38,000
» Not right now.
>> Okay. because I'm not going to take any

772
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:42,799
other motions given I've just asked you
to hold on. Uh McLaren Co.

773
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:48,079
» Um I
>> pop off. I know you have a motion. So

774
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:53,799
» it's it's not a motion. It's a change to
the appendex that's attached where we

775
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:53,799
put in.

776
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,319
» We're not making any changes at this
moment. If you have a question, you can

777
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,400
ask
>> an addition to the page. Just a simple

778
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:05,599
addition. The 39% of
>> We're not doing that right now. if you

779
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,520
can see staff are trying to work on two
other motions right now.

780
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:11,839
» Fine.
>> Okay. Uh McFadden.

781
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:16,319
» Uh
yeah, I just have thoughts on we have

782
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:21,039
discussed this multiple times and even
some of the motions on the table. So we

783
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:24,240
had a committee, we've said it before
and now we are actually already

784
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:29,280
discussed the motion about whether or
not we should be paying for workshops

785
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:33,359
very extensively. So, it seems
counterintuitive

786
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:38,240
to have another discussion over
something we've already talked about

787
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:42,640
twice. So, I'm wondering why we have
motions coming forward over things we've

788
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:46,880
already discussed or things that we
probably should have flagged before the

789
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:51,200
morning of because I feel like this is a
bit of waste of all of our time to

790
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:55,680
continue to do something that we have
discussed and it seems a little like

791
01:04:53,359 --> 01:05:02,079
we're just trying to get our own points
across which is frustrating when we have

792
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:05,520
subcommittees that we give this work to
and then we have full discussions and

793
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:09,920
then we do it again and then we do it
again. So, I throw it out there before

794
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:14,000
we jump on discussions and have the same
discussion for like the fifth time

795
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:18,240
around this table. And I don't normally
say things like that, but it does seem

796
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:24,319
like we are beating the same thing over
and over and over again. That's it.

797
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:28,960
Nope. I'm going to go with the list
page.

798
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:33,520
» Uh that's perfect tea up. So, thank you,
Mayor McFaten. Uh what occurs to me

799
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:38,240
because we're you know further on uh
dissolving the committee is maybe where

800
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:42,960
we've gone off the path is there's
clearly an intent to send things back to

801
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:46,720
committee and maybe what we needed to do
a couple meetings back and maybe what we

802
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:50,640
still need to do is take some of these
suggestions and have the committee have

803
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:56,960
another meeting before September board
to hash this out a little bit more.

804
01:05:52,799 --> 01:06:00,720
Something that we can do. Um because I I
agree it is very difficult to have these

805
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:05,280
discussions here. We've gone back and
forth on different pieces uh when people

806
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:09,359
have been or not been around here and it
feels like we need to send all the

807
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:12,880
suggestions back to the renumeration
committee to have another discussion or

808
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:17,280
two before next and I know that's
frustrating. I just think maybe that's

809
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:21,119
where we've gone off.
>> So we did actually discuss that last

810
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,240
month as well and the determination at
the time was the committee made its

811
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,680
recommendations and they discussed all
the items. So, you're going to end up in

812
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:31,839
the same spot, but I do have panograph
on the list.

813
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:36,960
» Uh, Cunningham,
>> thank you. At this point, we're talking

814
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:39,599
about the original motion that has been
mentioned by

815
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:42,160
» No, we're not. We're waiting for the
correct

816
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:44,000
» Okay. Can we possibly table that to the
end of the meeting?

817
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:48,079
» They're all tabled. [laughter] They're
all tabled. We're only because there's

818
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:51,520
several motions that have coming in that
don't have the right wording. So, I've

819
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:56,000
requested that we give staff time to
work on those. Right now, we're just

820
01:06:53,280 --> 01:07:00,079
entertaining what questions do you have
and that not further motions tabled or

821
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:05,359
they're going to be tabled
>> through the I got the first two motions

822
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:10,400
drafted. Uh respectfully, I'd like other
motions to be mentioned here as opposed

823
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:14,640
to later so that we can work on them if
there was other suggested motions made

824
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,640
» simply so we can get them in the proper
format.

825
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:23,440
Um,
so I'm going to go to McLaren Co.

826
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:29,520
» Okay.
>> Thank you, chair. Um, I I won't discuss

827
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:34,559
it now. I have my own uh motion or
amendment to the draft billet to propose

828
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:38,319
but given the discussion given the I
wasn't here but I watched the recording

829
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:43,599
of the
meeting last month and um given what

830
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:48,559
I've heard on that and what's being said
today I am going to suggest although not

831
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:52,880
make the motion just yet that we refer
this to the October meeting because

832
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:56,880
it'll be post election
that will be off the table it'll be for

833
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:00,880
next term
It'll give obviously not committee

834
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:04,319
because there's no desire for it to go
back to committee. The board wants the

835
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,440
whole the entire board wants to have at
least two or three runs of this

836
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:10,960
apparently. So we should talk about this
as a board and then the pressure's off

837
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:15,680
in October. There's no it's it doesn't
need to be done until January. So that's

838
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:19,839
my that would be my suggestion because I
have other things I want to talk about

839
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:23,679
but there's this is way too complicated.
There are too many angles going into

840
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:27,759
this and they're overlapping and there
there's not a

841
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:31,440
a cohesive way to address this and
having

842
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:34,560
had extensive conversation two months
ago, having watched the conversation

843
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,480
last month and apparently turning into a
whole other conversation today. What

844
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:42,400
what strikes me as the problem is we're
not working from the same playbook here.

845
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:47,040
We're not all talking about the same
information. So if we can take what we

846
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:51,759
need, refer it back to staff to prepare
something that we can all look at and

847
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:55,920
review, then we can all make an informed
and decision based on the same

848
01:08:53,600 --> 01:09:00,799
information.
>> Can I just clarify what information is

849
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:04,960
not the same that you're seeking?
>> So

850
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:07,600
the staff has the bylaw, they have all
the recommendations, they have all the

851
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:10,480
committee reports. So what information
is missing? Just so we're clear,

852
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:14,719
» the sense that I'm getting is that
people are making arguments on the fly

853
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:19,440
and there's things that are just coming
as like at a meeting without

854
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:22,239
preparation. Most of our agenda items we
get to review at least a few days

855
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:25,600
beforehand. I'm not talking about the
actual draft bylaw. I'm talking about

856
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,759
the rationale behind the amendments to
the bylaw.

857
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,640
» So I think those would come from
directors, not from staff.

858
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:34,719
» Just clarify.
>> Right. But my point is that if it's what

859
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:41,120
it's August now, October is three months
away. two months away.

860
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:45,440
It'll give staff and directors the
chance to talk to each other back and

861
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:48,799
forth to compile something in one
cohesive.

862
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:55,040
With respect to the committee, I
appreciate the fresh I we talked to this

863
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:59,760
that this executive that the process
could be a lot better for various

864
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:04,880
reasons and and the main thing was the
lack of input from directors.

865
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:08,880
» Yeah. So, I agree with what I agree with
all the challenges, but I'm trying to

866
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:13,360
suggest is a better process that we can
have a more comprehensive review all in

867
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,760
one go. That's all.
>> Stuart, go ahead.

868
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,520
» For the chair, if you're thinking about
referring this and giving staff the

869
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,800
information to prepare and draft motions
that then go on the agenda, I would

870
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,800
suggest you do it September. Okay. And
the reason for that is the whole point

871
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:30,320
of this process is that this board does
not know whether or not they're

872
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:33,679
benefiting or not from the changes that
are being put in place for January 1st.

873
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,120
If you do it after the election in
October, there will be people sitting

874
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:42,000
around the table who know that they're
in office on January 1st and therefore

875
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:45,840
it could be seen as benefiting from
that. So the whole point of doing this

876
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:50,640
now and the reason the committee was
struck in February was so that this

877
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,640
board is not determining its own
remiteration.

878
01:10:54,719 --> 01:11:00,120
» Okay. I had anagramraph and then
Lockwood.

879
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,159
So

880
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:12,320
I'm just going to speak to the workshop
aspect right now. The committee put

881
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:19,120
forward that the first three meetings be
considered part of the duties through

882
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:26,960
discussion at this board. It got amended
to six.

883
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:34,880
Now we have and to my way of thinking
that change was ratified by this board.

884
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:40,560
That should be the end of it. Now we
have another motion

885
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:47,920
that we want to get rid of that and do
the exact opposite to what we ratify

886
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:56,719
through discussion
at this table. At what point

887
01:11:52,080 --> 01:12:01,120
does this work become complete? We've
talked about it and we've talked about

888
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:07,360
it and now we want to talk about it
again and bring something new. People

889
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:13,360
had ample opportunity to give feedback.
A whole bunch of people chose not to do

890
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:19,360
that, which would lead most people to
believe that they were okay with their

891
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:25,040
remuneration.
How many times do you have to kick the

892
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:31,120
can around before you finally say, "It's
kicked. It's over. It's done. Let's move

893
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:36,239
on." If you didn't give input and you
regret that, you'll just have to deal

894
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,440
with it next term if you're back at this
table.

895
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:43,280
» Thank you, Vanessa.
My suggestion is that uh I think as

896
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,719
Stuart said and it correct me if I'm
wrong here is that we refer this item

897
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:52,000
and all the motions that are being
requested get sent to staff to be

898
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:57,600
included in the agenda in advance of
next month. Is that what

899
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,880
» Yes. To the chair I would say if that's
if that's the board's will that there's

900
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:05,040
further amendments that are desired or
you wish to debate that we do it that

901
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:08,320
way. And I'm going to look through
Robert's rules to see if the chair has

902
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,840
the power not to allow any motions from
the floor on a given item because I

903
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,840
think that might be appropriate for
September on this.

904
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,280
» Yeah.
>> Would there also be provisions for not

905
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:20,239
revisiting things we've already
determined twice or three?

906
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,159
» Well, through the chair, I think I said
this at the executive where amending the

907
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:28,560
bylaw the way that it's been done the
last couple of meetings is, pardon me, a

908
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:33,679
cheeky way of going through
reconsideration without being allowed to

909
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:38,880
reconsider things. So, you are allowed
to do it because you got a draft bylaw

910
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:43,360
that can be amended. But I would I would
um respectfully

911
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:48,880
say that you should consider the
decisions the board has made when you're

912
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:52,159
thinking about your amendments
and it's already been there's already

913
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:57,360
been one that's been reversed, right? So
there there's a consideration that the

914
01:13:54,080 --> 01:14:01,040
board made a decision and bringing it
back to amend it back to something

915
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:04,320
previously. You know, like I said, it's
it's allowed. There's nothing that says

916
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:10,560
you can't do it, but it is a form of
reconsideration that really is uh not

917
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:14,320
reconsideration.
>> Yeah, I know. I've got Lockwood

918
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:18,560
Weatherhead Pop
and Hannah Hannah to close out and then

919
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:21,760
I think we need to if we're referring
this, let's just refer it and submit

920
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:25,520
your
>> I don't want to close it. I just want to

921
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:30,400
move the third recommendation.
>> No, don't do that.

922
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:34,800
» Oh. Oh, yeah. Yes, I like my third
reading. I hope

923
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,800
» um
I'm going to ask if we can if there

924
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:45,040
would be a motion to refer this item
with the inclusion of submitted motion

925
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:49,760
sent to Y Stewart and and myself in
preparation for next board in advance of

926
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:53,679
publication.
So moved, seconded. Thank you, Paige.

927
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:57,760
» So we don't get to discuss it now
because you offered

928
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:04,000
» we've just been discussing.
>> No, no.

929
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:07,600
I think that sorry I won't speak.
>> Do you want me to hold referral? Is that

930
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,840
what you're asking? Do others want us to
hold referral?

931
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,360
» Yes.
>> Withdrawal.

932
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,960
» Okay, let's hold referral. We'll talk
about it now. We'll talk about it again

933
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:22,080
next month and likely in October. on on
propriety of holding referral. Why don't

934
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:26,760
we call a special board meeting of
directors

935
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,760
stipen?

936
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,880
» Lockwood. Go ahead.
>> I just I just want to comment um

937
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:42,800
» one of the reasons I'm not running is
because of this exact reason is that we

938
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:49,840
sit here and and waste time. Um, as this
as this got put forwards in February, we

939
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:55,440
we got a group together. We asked them
to make recommendations. Um, I don't

940
01:15:52,400 --> 01:16:00,800
know what CEO Horn did to make everybody
respond to his policy thing that he's

941
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:07,199
got such a diverse thing, but I think
that there's only three or four people

942
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:12,159
that responded or six people out of 20.
And we have discussed this multiple

943
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:18,080
times and I'm I'm really disappointed
with this board that we don't

944
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:24,000
actually move forward with what the
committee has offered. If there's

945
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:29,040
wording that that looks like it should
be switched or whatever, but doesn't

946
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:33,360
actually change it, then I'm okay with
that. But I'm really disappointed that

947
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:38,800
we are doing this that we're referring
it again. We waste time at this board.

948
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:43,120
where we could be doing way more
production going forward. Thank you for

949
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:47,920
re not doing referral.
>> Okay. Thanks. Um Dr. Len, I just want to

950
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:52,320
note that your motion was not one ever
contemplated. So in no way did you

951
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:55,280
initiate this discussion right now and I
appreciate what you're trying to do. We

952
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:59,600
just needed the right wording. Stuart's
actually been working on it. So

953
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:02,719
» um we will likely refer this but I just
wanted to note your motion was the one

954
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:07,520
we haven't actually discussed and was
pretty logical. uh Vandenberg.

955
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:11,040
» Uh I just wanted to bring up that I have
while we've been all talking looking

956
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:16,159
into Robert's rules and there is
precedent other than what we have set

957
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:20,080
for policy and we pride ourselves in
following Robert's rules but I think

958
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:26,000
we're kind of getting off to the off the
weeds and um a refresher on Robert's

959
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:30,553
rules uh is necessary for us to continue
with the logic order of our

960
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,840
conversation.
>> [clears throat]

961
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:39,840
» And you're right, um the uh the motion
that uh uh that director Land has put

962
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:45,520
forward does not fit into the rescending
of a in terms of Robert's rules, but a

963
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:50,480
lot of this other conversation does.
That's all I wanted to bring.

964
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:52,880
» Okay. So, we are now just Do you need to
add anything new to the discussion?

965
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:58,080
» So, sure.
>> Go ahead. Oh, sorry. There's a list. I'm

966
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:00,800
sorry. There's a list. [laughter]
We are going to refer this Weatherhead.

967
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,760
Do we need to say anything else?
>> I just had a question actually.

968
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:10,719
» Oh, question. Yeah, please.
>> Yeah. um was that be well it actually

969
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:15,360
because there was a director's two
director's motions or three that came

970
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:20,320
out of last month's meetings that we did
not have time for a rationale to sit

971
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:26,080
down and and you know figure out the
rationale on that in the number

972
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:33,600
crunching that I did is is but I did
have a rationale for this motion um

973
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:39,920
which stems from the motions that came
forward um unexpectedly last month. So

974
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:44,480
my question is is would I just be able
to provide the rationale because

975
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,440
» not right now? Nope. No.
>> Your motion and if it's a repeat, we're

976
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:49,920
going to figure out if we can even do
that. So

977
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:55,280
» yeah. Well, if we can figure out we can
do it. I it's I I may resend or I may

978
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,040
pull it out. So thank you.
>> Okay. You don't need your rationale now,

979
01:18:56,719 --> 01:19:02,960
though.
>> Okay.

980
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:06,320
» Um pop off. This is something new
>> or a question.

981
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:09,360
» Just putting a percentage amount in
schedule A.

982
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:12,480
» It's a question.
>> Yeah. Just putting in a percentage

983
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,920
amount but then a dollar amount in
schedule 8 or future confusion.

984
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,800
» So at the end
>> so if it's a proposed change just submit

985
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:21,920
it.
>> It's not a change. You're just an

986
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:25,360
addition of a percentage amount with the
amount that's already there. 39%.

987
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:28,480
» We're not taking any amendments on the
bylaw. Right Patrick.

988
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:33,760
» It's not the bylaw. It's a schedule A.
>> It's a part of the bylaw.

989
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:37,440
submit it, please.
Um,

990
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,560
Paige, you had a quick thing. Sorry. Go
ahead.

991
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:45,040
» I've heard the conversation over
subsequent meetings and I just want to

992
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:49,280
challenge us. This is happening because
obviously there is crossed wires and

993
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:54,880
somewhere we're not reaching a
conclusion. So let's just temper some of

994
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:59,679
our presumptions beyond clearly
something went on with the process where

995
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:04,080
not enough input rightly or wrongly
didn't land where it needed to land. So

996
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:07,920
the conversation continues to bubble. So
that is a reality and how we move

997
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:11,440
through that reality. The other kind of
like a shared understanding that we land

998
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:16,480
on is just going to be contingent on
accepting that and then resolving it. uh

999
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:23,760
and we can't go back in history and get
the other 18 or 12 uh submissions.

1000
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:28,080
Something went wrong there. It's no
one's fault, but stop putting that

1001
01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:31,120
forward and just let's get to the
conclusion of our shared understanding

1002
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:33,760
what we want to do forward.
>> Okay. So, I'm not going to take any more

1003
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,960
discussion on this item because I am
going to request that we refer the item.

1004
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:43,360
We just went through all the speakers of
referral referral and if you have a

1005
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:47,199
motion you'd like to submit number one
think deeply if you want to do something

1006
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:51,600
that has already been discussed at least
once or twice at this at this board and

1007
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:59,120
number two if it hasn't been please
submit it again Steuart Angela myself in

1008
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:03,840
advance of board deadline next month can
I please take referral on that

1009
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:07,280
» no cutting are you referring it
>> I'm not referring I have question

1010
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,360
» we just went through.
>> I heard I heard my question has nothing

1011
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:14,560
to do with what's being discussed. My
question was could we go for a coffee

1012
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:17,760
break early while the rest of the
paperwork gets done?

1013
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:21,840
» No, we are referring this item to next
month. As soon as we've done that, you

1014
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:26,080
can take your coffee break. Would
someone please refer this item?

1015
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:32,480
» An Angela.
>> Um so through the chair, should we put a

1016
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:38,960
date where we mustn't agree to the bylaw
deadline for September? Um the the

1017
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:41,960
agenda deadline of UBC
>> 14

1018
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:49,199
September 7th the week before
>> if you need it by it's when you need it

1019
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,120
to be able to give it to executive.
>> Yeah

1020
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:57,520
» September 7th
>> or September 11th it would be

1021
01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:01,360
refer to September 11th with the
inclusion of motions coming in by that

1022
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,440
time.
>> Sorry.

1023
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:08,320
» Sorry. This item is referred to
September board with the inclusion of

1024
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:13,520
any motions being put forward to come
into staff by September 11th.

1025
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:18,560
Okay. Is there a second on that? Thank
you. On referral,

1026
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:21,920
everybody clear on the process? Are we
going to work together as a team? If you

1027
01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:24,719
have motions you want to put forward and
you're really serious about, reach out

1028
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:30,440
to your colleague in that meantime.
Okay.

1029
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,440
All those in favor?

1030
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:35,320
Are you kind of in favor? Anybody
opposed?

1031
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,600
One, two, three, four.

1032
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:49,280
Okay, that passes.
>> I'd like to be recorded, please. You're

1033
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:54,120
opposed to referral.
Okay, Lockwood.

1034
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,120
» Okay,

1035
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:00,719
that deon, did you want to be reported
post?

1036
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:07,960
» I don't.
>> Yes. Uh, Lockwood and Doom. Yes, I

1037
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:07,960
doesn't matter.

1038
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:17,440
Um, refer to September.
Um, and that is motion one and two, but

1039
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:21,199
Derer Hograph, do you want to move
motion three?

1040
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:24,600
» I would love to motion.
>> Okay. Discussion.

1041
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:35,320
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
Thank you for your work committee. You

1042
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,320
are appreciated.

1043
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:40,159
» I know. I know.
>> Never again.

1044
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:43,440
» As the chair of the board, I am
acknowledging your work, your time, your

1045
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,080
efforts, and your perseverance through
every one of these conversations.

1046
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,600
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. All right. Director

1047
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,920
Cunningham, would you like to take a
copyright?

1048
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:55,760
» Yes. [laughter]
>> Thank you. I was thinking about taking

1049
01:23:53,760 --> 01:24:00,000
one about half an hour ago this
discussion started because some of us

1050
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:04,360
we're just sitting there waiting for
half a dozen people would like to talk

1051
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,440
and then was

1052
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,679
a little bit

1053
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,800
» older.

1054
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,440
I haven't seen

1055
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,880
related

1056
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:49,120
All right, we are back in session. We
back director of fight. I just want to

1057
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:52,560
check with you. You do and I know David
off will be back. Are you are you good

1058
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,920
on getting on chat? Did you move
through? We have a lot at the table

1059
01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:00,639
there. So, make sure you feel like
you're having the space to make sure you

1060
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:04,880
get on speakers list. Yes. Okay, good.
Thank you. Good stuff.

1061
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:08,009
I know I don't forget you, but sometimes
I can't.

1062
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:10,029
» You may not want us on the speaker list.
[laughter]

1063
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:20,880
» Appreciate all of that.
>> Okay, so we are on Kitchener Society

1064
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:27,280
5.3. This is for adoption. Is there a
question before the motion is moved?

1065
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:33,199
» You bet. Go ahead, director. that
electoral area B comprehensive land use

1066
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:39,120
amendment by line number 3079 20.6 being
file to amend electoral area

1067
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:42,320
comprehensive land use file 316 2013 is
hereby adopted and further that the

1068
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:45,920
chair and corporate officer be
authorized to sign and say do we have a

1069
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:50,960
second
>> thank you all those in favor opposed

1070
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:55,199
carried
okay 5.4 for uh with delegation

1071
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:58,480
authority. We did have a lot of
questions come in advance. Can you put

1072
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:03,280
pop off on the speakers list, please?
I'm going to ask was Mike, right? Yes,

1073
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:08,320
Mike has a quick summary based on a lot
of the feedback received um before we

1074
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:13,600
open up to questions.
>> Go ahead, Mike.

1075
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:19,280
» Thank you. Um so this bylaw uh responds
directly uh to the report from Samson

1076
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:23,440
the organizational assessment was
presented to the board earlier this year

1077
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:29,600
uh which flagged delegation thresholds
as a priority uh item action item coming

1078
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:33,760
from their work. Um this bylaw is
probably one of the more significant

1079
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:39,280
mechanisms that the board has at its
disposal to improve organizational

1080
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:42,960
effectiveness and um in essence this
bylaw is really about making the

1081
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:47,040
organization work better establishing an
effective delegation framework that

1082
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:50,480
balances multiple and some case leading
interests.

1083
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:54,320
» Sorry my you need to be louder.
>> Okay, sorry. Um so some of these

1084
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:59,840
interests are and some of the you know
the major factors that went into um

1085
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:04,320
determining the content of the bylaw was
uh one we have this objective to reduce

1086
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:08,960
the staff and board time spent on
approvals for routine business uh but

1087
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:13,199
wanting to ensure that board retains
decision-m authority over important

1088
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:17,120
matters. uh there was a desire to
relieve the CEO of some of the the

1089
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:21,920
workload uh relating to routine matters
and to allow greater f focus on

1090
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:27,520
strategic work but also to ensure that
the CEO uh is involved in the high

1091
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:33,520
consequence decisions. Um and but most
importantly the uh the bylaw is about uh

1092
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:37,920
establishing a framework of effective
internal controls and oversight that

1093
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:43,120
incorporates risk considerations and
which confirms senior manager oversight

1094
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:49,679
into the services. So while this is a
board bylaw, the impact of uh this bylaw

1095
01:28:46,639 --> 01:28:53,840
is really about what happens after the
you know like after the work is is

1096
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:58,719
approved through the financial plan and
what gets done and this will have a

1097
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:04,639
cascading effect on uh internal
processes um and uh decision-m

1098
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:08,480
frameworks within the organization that
will allow much better business outcomes

1099
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,679
uh throughout the organization and
improved service to the public

1100
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:18,080
eventually.
Um so in best opinion the bylaw is

1101
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:21,760
presented here sort of represents the
best balance of all those competing

1102
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:25,520
interests. Uh we put a lot of thought
into building in asurances that

1103
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:29,440
significant and high consequence
decisions would still be made by the

1104
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:34,800
board. Uh the guard rails on staff
authority which are sort of baked into

1105
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:39,120
the bylaw many different places uh uh
will still enable uh significant

1106
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:43,760
efficiency gains. So we've we've tried
to keep it fairly limited uh in terms of

1107
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:49,360
um you know the staff authority and
built in a lot of uh assurances to the

1108
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:54,239
board that um the authorities delegated
only in very specific situations and for

1109
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:59,679
specific matters. So as far as what
happens from here um we recognize this

1110
01:29:56,719 --> 01:30:04,320
is a very large very complicated bylaw.
There's a lot of information to digest

1111
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:09,679
both within the bylaw and the report and
there are uh large implications for the

1112
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:13,040
board in in adopting this bylaw. So what
is presented here is you know consider

1113
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:17,120
this a work in progress. We're
recommending first and second reading

1114
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:21,679
only to open up a comment period for
directors where we can incorporate

1115
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:26,000
feedback and um you know come back with
proposed changes. Uh it's still work in

1116
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:29,199
progress from the staff side as well.
We're, you know, as as more people look

1117
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:33,679
at this, there's other things that have
been suggested that we may want to tweak

1118
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:40,400
to. So, our intention is to bring back a
redline version that incorporates all of

1119
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:46,000
this feedback. Um, and uh, as far as
timing goes, you know, um, staff's

1120
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:49,920
preference that we're able to complete
this with current board rather than

1121
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:54,320
orient the the new directors to this.
It's, you know, significant amount of

1122
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:59,440
work has gone into understanding uh, the
requirement for this. Um but with that

1123
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:04,480
being said, this is owned by the board.
Uh we, you know, however long it takes

1124
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:08,080
and whatever process we need to go
through to ensure that this gets to a

1125
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:12,960
place where the board feels comfortable
adopting it, it that's entirely at the

1126
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:18,080
board's discretion. So this is sort of
the starting point to initiate the

1127
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:21,600
conversation and to get to a delegation
framework that everyone is comfortable

1128
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:26,239
with and still achieves the objectives
that we set out.

1129
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:32,400
So my one of the outstanding questions
is what is new in this bylaw?

1130
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:34,560
» Okay. So like in can you clarify please
like in in terms of

1131
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:41,679
» delegating
>> delegating. Okay. So well essentially

1132
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:45,600
complicated question but
>> everything in some respects is new in

1133
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:52,000
terms of delegation. So what we have
currently uh we have a CEO bylaw from

1134
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:56,239
1967 that provides some direction to the
CEO and how the organization is to be

1135
01:31:54,239 --> 01:32:01,440
managed but it also contains a lot of
things that haven't reflected how the

1136
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:05,760
RDSK has operated for probably 40 years.
So it's you know we identified that that

1137
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:10,800
bylaw is not really an effective
delegation of authority. We also have

1138
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:15,199
the officers establishment bylaw which
essentially just makes reference to the

1139
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:20,480
local government act which which gives
staff the officers very specific powers

1140
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:26,960
but in terms of the management of the
organization which is assigned to the

1141
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:31,120
CEO it basically says the CEO is uh
manages the organization is respon is

1142
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:36,400
responsible for implementing policy and
keeps the board informed on the work of

1143
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:40,880
the organization. So that like without a
delegation framework in place that's

1144
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:45,040
what we have to work with which is we've
identified as being entirely

1145
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:49,679
inappropriate. So in effect everything
that's listed in this bylaw is new in

1146
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:55,040
terms of a formal delegation. But as we
also identified there's a great many

1147
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:59,760
things that staff has assumed under this
sort of CAO powers to manage the

1148
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:03,920
organization that is in place. We have
policies that provide some direction

1149
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:08,080
purchasing policy and our minimum
required insurance for contracts policy

1150
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:12,880
which outlined who can make what
decisions but as we identified those

1151
01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:18,000
authorities have to be delegated by
bylaw. So we've been acting in

1152
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:22,639
accordance with policy but those those
you know thresholds and powers that are

1153
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:29,360
identified in those policies need to be
incorporated into this bylaw and they

1154
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:35,199
have been. So um we do have um Okay, let
me bring this back here. So, so that

1155
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:39,520
even though we have been assuming that
those those authorities have been

1156
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:42,880
delegated or in place in many
circumstances,

1157
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:46,480
uh there has not been a formal
delegation by bylaw that is required

1158
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:53,199
under the local government act and
that's what this is about. So um in

1159
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:59,440
terms of new like in in terms of things
that haven't been acted upon by staff in

1160
01:33:56,320 --> 01:34:05,360
terms of an assumed authority to to act
um you know we'd be looking at I think

1161
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:09,520
there's more than 60 items in schedule
eight different authorities that are

1162
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:14,239
delegated and you apply those across you
know thousands of business decisions

1163
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:22,400
every year. Um I can only really speak
in in generalities but I would say um in

1164
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:28,400
for most of the authorities listed here
uh most have been acted upon at some

1165
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:32,800
point in some circumstance with some you
know very real qualification around it.

1166
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:36,960
But a lot of these things actually have
you know in in daily practice in order

1167
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:41,600
to make the business work we we have
some assumptions about what's been in

1168
01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:46,719
place and what hasn't. So um you know I
can provide an example from my own work

1169
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:52,159
um that that would sort of you know shed
some light on how staff would interpret

1170
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:57,760
that and you know um a good example
would be uh the authority proposed here

1171
01:34:55,440 --> 01:35:03,520
for indemnificate to permit
indemnification of a third party um uh

1172
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:09,040
in by way of contract. Right? So there's
a specific delegated authority about

1173
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:13,840
that. it is you know it is a a a risk
situation [clears throat]

1174
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:18,480
that has to be managed by staff. So an
example would be so sometimes in the

1175
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:23,360
course of my work I have to um you know
determine if we you know if there's an

1176
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:31,120
agreement that we have to sign that
requires an indemnification of a third

1177
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:35,120
party and um we are um you know there's
no formal delegated authority to do

1178
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:40,440
that. I have to determine if it's if
it's suitable or not. So, uh,

1179
01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:46,560
» yeah, just finish. And then we got quite
a few questions. I didn't mean to.

1180
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:50,960
» So, so context is important here. So, in
terms of providing assurances that the

1181
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:58,719
authority that we assume to have isn't
being misused. So, every every spring I

1182
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:03,760
sign off on renting rooms for a uh for
the ready grant community. About half of

1183
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:07,920
those agreements require us to indemnify
the society or the local government

1184
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:11,199
whose hall we're renting. We're not
bringing those to the board. We assume

1185
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:14,880
that yeah, it's okay to do this. It's a
fairly low risk situation, but it's

1186
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:20,000
still an indemnification of a third
party. So, at the other end of the

1187
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:22,960
extreme, we have, you know, uh,
engineering firms that are doing

1188
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:26,639
high-risisk for us, design work, things
like that that are asking to be

1189
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:30,159
indemnified for the work. I'm not
comfortable, you know, signing off on

1190
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:35,360
that. Those things get escalated toward.
So I just use that um as a way of

1191
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:39,520
illustrating how we as an organization
approach these things. And you know part

1192
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:45,280
of the inefficiency that comes from not
having a delegated authority bylaw is

1193
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:49,840
that we escalate things fairly routine
things but that still you know have some

1194
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:56,719
risk implications. things like
identification of third parties uh that

1195
01:36:52,639 --> 01:37:00,480
that you know are probably better you
know in terms of like business outcomes

1196
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:03,679
better dealt with by staff than the
board and that's sort of what we're

1197
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:08,639
trying to achieve here.
>> Okay.

1198
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:13,920
So speakers list I've got pop off David
off Jack [clears throat]

1199
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:20,320
Poff go ahead. Thank you. If I if I may,
chair, I uh did have a good conversation

1200
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:25,520
with manager Morrison about this bylaw
and I believe it's long time in coming.

1201
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:30,480
It's about time we had a delegation of
authority bylaw. Although when I go

1202
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:37,119
through there and I'm going back when I
first got elected in 2008, I sat with

1203
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:42,800
the CF Jim Gustoson and basically we
defined he defined what the authority is

1204
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:47,119
of a director and how staff relates to
the director and [clears throat] I'm

1205
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:52,080
really really surprised of how much
delegation that we did in that

1206
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:57,520
delegation bylaw that how much how much
authority we delegated to staff. So, and

1207
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:01,760
I'm looking towards the future, not
necessarily this board, but we're having

1208
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:05,920
an election here in October. We're going
to have new board members. Some of us

1209
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:11,440
are retiring, some are not going to get
deelected, whatever happens. But I I

1210
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:16,880
would support given it first and second
reading. But I'd like to have an further

1211
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:22,320
clause that we have a workshop with a
subject matter expert that we attended

1212
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:28,000
myself and director Hu attended at FCM
George Cup and he has been around for

1213
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:33,679
quite a while and he does define the
separation between

1214
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:38,159
elected officials and staff and what
would be appropriate to delegate to

1215
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:42,320
staff for efficiency purposes and what
would be more or less the responsibility

1216
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:47,040
of directors.
So I I would be prepared to move the

1217
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:52,320
first part of first and second reading
and have this deferred after the

1218
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:57,520
election to have a workshop and by
George Cup to do the workshop for us. So

1219
01:38:55,520 --> 01:39:01,440
the newly elected directors will have a
full understanding what their

1220
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:07,679
responsibilities are according to a
subject matter expert not necessarily

1221
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:14,159
our CEO no nor reflection. I think he's
done a fantastic job for us and very

1222
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:19,920
good or or the staff but the new
directors coming in should be aware what

1223
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:24,080
the separation of powers are between
staff and I know staff is doing good

1224
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:27,920
work for us and most of that stuff
that's there should be delegated for

1225
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:33,520
expediency purposes where it's just a
matter of u going through it and part of

1226
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:38,480
doing on an everyday basis. So that
would be and I do have a a resolution

1227
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:41,840
crafted but uh we'll hear the rest of
the speakers and if you can come to me

1228
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:45,920
and I'll basically introduce my
resolution I've got it and I can send it

1229
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:49,440
to Angela once we went through the whole
process here.

1230
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:52,320
» Thank you Stuart. Go ahead.
>> So you're the chair I think you should

1231
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:57,360
separate the two talking about the
bylaw. You can talk I think we can take

1232
01:39:54,719 --> 01:40:00,320
direction to see if we can book George
come as part of our orientation sessions

1233
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,800
that we're putting on for the new board.
I don't think we really need a motion

1234
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:06,000
around that. I'm hearing seeing nods
around the table. So, it seems like it's

1235
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,880
something you'd like to entertain. Um,
so we can definitely do that, but I

1236
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:11,920
think you should then talk about the
bylaw on a separate conversation. Um,

1237
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:16,400
whether or not you want to deal with it
now or refer. The one thing I will say

1238
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:20,080
that um that Mike didn't mention is
going through the schedules in terms of

1239
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:25,440
the delegated authorities. Keep in mind
how many times it mentions subject to

1240
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:30,960
approved financial plan. That is your
big policy document every year that goes

1241
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:35,840
through a lot of discussion at the
table, admissions committees, public

1242
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:40,320
consultation. That is what guides a lot
of what we do and is a condition for a

1243
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:45,400
lot of these delegated authorities and
is a really important piece of this

1244
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,400
bylaw.

1245
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:51,119
» Benberg, come.
>> Thank you, the chair. Uh [clears throat]

1246
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:54,880
Mike has already answered my questions
and it was along the lines of the

1247
01:40:52,560 --> 01:41:00,960
comment period and the red line version
that is expected. So I will be um

1248
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:04,059
thankful to take part of offering my my
thoughts as I've gone through this

1249
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:06,560
document.
[clears throat]

1250
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:13,760
» Thank you Dr. David.
>> Yeah, just just a couple of questions

1251
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:20,080
and uh on on just some pretty pretty
interesting delegations.

1252
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:27,199
Am I reading it right that we're
delegating or potentially delegating the

1253
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:33,719
authority for a CEO to eliminate a fire
department?

1254
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,719
Am I reading that correctly?

1255
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:40,719
» Mike,
>> the chair. No, I'm not sure how how that

1256
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:44,840
could be read into it. Could you
reference a specific section?

1257
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,600
Yeah,

1258
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:54,159
» generally a service how it was initiated
was how it has to be cancelled.

1259
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,560
» But David, do you have a section you
want to reference?

1260
01:41:55,520 --> 01:42:00,639
» That would not be
>> I'm sorry, chair. I had the document up

1261
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:03,639
and I just
um

1262
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:12,560
» and to clarify, no, the CEO would not be
delegated that authority. Correct, Mike?

1263
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:17,360
» Uh correct. Yeah. I know I can as you
correctly noted that it's done in

1264
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:22,560
» okay I can follow up with staff later
but the key thing is that to me it was

1265
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:27,760
there was language in there and then I'm
I the reason I'm raising this because

1266
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:33,119
I'm I'm I'm thinking about kind of where
are we going with fire services and what

1267
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:38,080
are we looking at and you know or or is
it portions or how they're administered

1268
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:42,639
or is it you know having one fire chief
for five fire halls and you know like

1269
01:42:40,639 --> 01:42:46,880
all all these different things. The
service may still the funding may still

1270
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:52,560
be there, but at the end of the day,
it's the organization of the whole fire

1271
01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:57,520
service that I'm looking at. And there
have been comments made about

1272
01:42:54,560 --> 01:43:02,960
reorganizing the fire service
and and basically and I'm looking at

1273
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:07,360
more and more centralization.
Uh, and is that something that we're

1274
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:14,560
looking at as a board or is that going
to be delegated to, you know, staff to

1275
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:23,440
to kind of work through? So, I'm I'm
just looking at sometimes things appear,

1276
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:30,560
you know, innocuous and but ultimately
it just what is the what is the ultimate

1277
01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:36,960
goal? And to me, I've noticed a lot of
centralization or more and more efforts

1278
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:41,920
to centralize things to to have common
documents to do all these things. And I

1279
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:47,040
believe the conversation with the board
is critical and I'm sure it would happen

1280
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:53,679
and that's why I raised that one in
particular and maybe it's just a heads

1281
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:59,760
up and and we can and I'll follow up
more on this before if this goes to you

1282
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:04,320
know if we do first and second reading
today and approve that but but I'm just

1283
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:08,880
raising that one and I just have one
more chair and that's temporary. Can I

1284
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:11,040
just let Mike respond to
>> Yeah,

1285
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:15,119
» I think the question that was in there,
but what Mike did want to respond and

1286
01:44:12,639 --> 01:44:20,480
then he didn't have a supplement. So,
>> yeah, the chair, I believe most of what

1287
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:25,840
director David Al has raised is really
kind and not um captured within the

1288
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:30,560
scope of this bylaw. Um I think there's
really only two areas in in the

1289
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:34,080
delegated authorities that speak
specifically to fire departments. One is

1290
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:39,679
the appointment of the chief and the
other would be uh setting or or the

1291
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:44,320
authority for the CEO to adjust the
service levels based on a fire

1292
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:48,639
department attaining new certifications
and being able to add to the services

1293
01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:51,760
that they offer. Those are really the
only two things that are specific to

1294
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:54,560
fire. So I'm not sure if either of those
were well director David off was

1295
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:59,920
referring to
>> Yeah. And chair, thank thank you for uh

1296
01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:06,639
for your indulgence. I I thought that it
was really narrow. It just it just it

1297
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:11,760
started going down a road that uh that
was interesting to me. Uh the other

1298
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:17,840
question I have is the TUP temporary use
permits is that I know that was a huge

1299
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:21,679
conversation for us at the board table
and basically when you have particularly

1300
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:28,639
we have industrial operations and and in
in the in the in the wording it refers

1301
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:33,119
to third-party use of property. it's not
even the property owner, you know, for a

1302
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:39,440
period, a short period of time and then
up to 12 months. And that to me kind of

1303
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:45,520
reopened the the questions about, you
know, who who deals with temporary use

1304
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:50,320
permits. And uh I know we were very
careful to make sure that if it was

1305
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:56,239
industrial use or commercial use, we
retained that when we're doing our OCB

1306
01:45:52,639 --> 01:46:02,000
process. We wanted that uh that kind of
uh the community to be consulted uh

1307
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:05,760
impacted potential impacted property
owners to be consulted and the only way

1308
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:10,880
you could do that is through some
process but if you delegate the

1309
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:16,320
authority you don't have to have the the
public uh access. So I'm just raising

1310
01:46:13,119 --> 01:46:20,560
those as heads up. Uh I will I will
submit more specific questions if this

1311
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:24,400
passes first and second reading. Thanks
chair. There is one clarification for

1312
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,760
you on that one.
>> What can start?

1313
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:32,800
» Yeah. So, uh, temporary use permits are
not not within the scope of the

1314
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:37,440
authorities were proposing to delegate
and I'm not sure they even could be

1315
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:42,560
delegated. U, this is the what what the
authority is specifically about here and

1316
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:47,119
it's on page 11 um, number seven there.
Uh, temporary use of RDCK property. So,

1317
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:52,400
this would be the authority to allow
others to use our property for emergency

1318
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:58,560
purposes. Um, you know, one of the
situations that this has come up uh in

1319
01:46:54,800 --> 01:47:01,679
time at times for me is uh when we have
something happen in one of our parks,

1320
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:05,440
uh, you know, a vehicle's gone off the
road and we need to authorize a crew to

1321
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:08,239
go in and excavate the vehicle, things
like that.

1322
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:11,920
» Um, this is just confirming that we can
do that without

1323
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:14,639
» Sure.
>> So that Yeah, that section applies to

1324
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:17,520
our land.
>> Yeah.

1325
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:21,520
» Okay.
Director Jackman,

1326
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:26,960
» thanks. Um just trying to look ahead to
when we revisit this. This is a lot and

1327
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:31,840
sometimes staff will consider an
alternative approach. To me, this

1328
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:38,000
doesn't have to be one by line. Try to
look at it. If we get tied up, we can

1329
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:44,000
have three blocks potentially.
Financial procurement and HR have a

1330
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:49,600
commonality. And Stuart referred to our
powers or our ability through the

1331
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:55,679
financial plan to steer some of that say
in the HR that CEO can hire people but

1332
01:47:53,760 --> 01:48:01,199
we put a line item how much is staff and
how much his contracts we have a degree

1333
01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:06,159
of flexibility if he wins stewards daily
wick as to whether a position is termed

1334
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:10,639
or continuing or whatever is anticipated
and that's out of necessity usually just

1335
01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:15,119
to attract the best candidate
but I see that as a block and I see what

1336
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:21,280
Larry Brown sat right here yesterday is
why our procurement is just crazy low

1337
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:25,920
low numbers $75,000 purchase when
something's in the budget it's necessary

1338
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:30,239
why didn't we talk about that yesterday
afternoon but I see that as a block with

1339
01:48:28,239 --> 01:48:35,040
commonality that maybe we could get to
yes really quickly the later parts where

1340
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:42,719
you have your risk management very
interesting matrix the number C there

1341
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:47,040
emergency risk management um HB mines
that is another block where I think we

1342
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:51,679
would get to yes quickly but they could
be separate by list it could be the

1343
01:48:48,719 --> 01:48:56,080
financial procurement and HR uh
delegation of authority bylaw that we're

1344
01:48:54,159 --> 01:49:03,840
good on really fast and we may never go
back on for the next thing since 1967 to

1345
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:10,159
today for another 59 years um the middle
block land use legal litigation bylaw

1346
01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:13,920
some of the ops language I flip back and
forth a little bit like we talked about

1347
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:20,560
under part three talks about facility
use agreements. Part five talks about uh

1348
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:24,639
the uh sorry part three does not talk
about facility use agreements. It talks

1349
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:28,800
about leases and licenses and fair
market value. So if we're going to tell

1350
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:32,880
staff, yeah, go ahead and let people use
our facilities. The fair market value,

1351
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:37,119
the social benefit, all of that stuff
has to be really clear in my mind. We

1352
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:40,960
let a junior hockey have a one or
threeear contract. And why are there

1353
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:44,000
differences? And everybody knows because
you all read the reports. There's a

1354
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:49,920
difference between Castor and Nelson and
Crestston today. Why perceived issue

1355
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:53,760
around social benefit future risk.
So those are board issues to discuss.

1356
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:58,000
And to me between parts three and five,
I'd like to delve into that a little

1357
01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:02,639
more. If that was the middle block, land
use legal litigation bylaw ops and

1358
01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:08,400
services. I have more thoughts on that.
on bylaw part four

1359
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:13,600
CEO would have the ability to initiate
legal bylaw enforcement proceedings to

1360
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:18,719
collect money by enforce bylaws enforce
agreements protect RCK interest that's

1361
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:24,320
actually undelegated in my mind to take
any ability of our bylaw officers

1362
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:29,600
because we'd have to see very clearly
that that's now delegating three or four

1363
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:35,280
more steps lower in order to issue a
ticket because this is CEO has these

1364
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:41,040
authority to enforce bylaws which are
ticketed for whatever is that's

1365
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:45,360
enforcing a bylaw ticketing process.
I think that needs more work. I would

1366
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:49,920
love to see the chain of command
following that more clearly. That middle

1367
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:55,199
block to me of these things has has more
controversy. I feel as a board we feel

1368
01:50:52,639 --> 01:51:02,639
to have policy that there's some
potential for arbitrary issuing a ticket

1369
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:08,239
um providing a
inferring an action to our residents

1370
01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:13,199
that may or may not come to fruition
standing on their property at their

1371
01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:19,119
doorstep that may be less appropriate
than than taking other paths. So, I

1372
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:24,080
think there's some some discussion on
that bylaw, the legal, who starts

1373
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:28,400
illegal action.
A few questions. We talked about legal

1374
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:31,440
actions not in public, but I have no
idea if anything's gone any further in

1375
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:38,960
one or two items. And I kind of like to
know. I don't want to. So, three blocks

1376
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:42,560
of uh delegation of authority make more
sense to me. And I bet you twothirds of

1377
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:45,920
those will go really quick. And the
other one, maybe the new board will look

1378
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:50,800
at it because maybe there's new policy
needed around some of the actions we

1379
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:55,280
take in terms of land use and or
behavior of residents where we end up

1380
01:51:53,119 --> 01:52:00,320
imposing fines, tickets, or other
penalties on that. So that third, that

1381
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:04,560
middle block that took till next year,
that'd be fine. But I don't want the

1382
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:11,440
rest to get head up. We need to be able
to buy a piece of equipment for$100

1383
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:15,119
$200,000 truck to get it on the road. So
just to consider an alternative approach

1384
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:19,000
we come back in September. Does this
need to be a single bottle?

1385
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:24,440
» Okay. Feedback received. Any comment?
Good.

1386
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:30,800
» Dire.
>> Uh thank you chair. Um this is I found

1387
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:34,560
one of the most interesting pieces to
read in today's agenda. I guess I only

1388
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:39,599
get one kick at this can as an
alternate. So, [laughter] so I'll throw

1389
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:46,639
a couple of ideas out or thoughts that I
had when I was reading it and uh one of

1390
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:50,880
them was our reporting structure and uh
how would that be included? Obviously,

1391
01:52:49,119 --> 01:52:55,840
major things would be reported to the
board. You know, where where's the level

1392
01:52:53,679 --> 01:53:01,280
of that reporting structure? Some would
require none at all. Uh but there is

1393
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:05,199
some kind of a step in there. So might
be an executive committee of of the

1394
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:09,920
organization that would review not
review but get reported to on some

1395
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:16,960
actions that were taking place over the
last month. Um yeah there is uh

1396
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:22,400
timelines as far as was uh it's not just
a financial issue it's the length of the

1397
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:26,800
issue. Uh so a a contract in the last 5
years, 10 years. Uh there used to be

1398
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:32,239
requirements and I'm not sure I'm not up
to date on them as far as regional

1399
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:36,239
district uh uh law requirements, but
there used to be a limit and so where

1400
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:41,360
does it fit within the limits and if the
limits expanded, then I think that uh

1401
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:46,159
the board would want to have more
information in that regard.

1402
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:51,440
Um and the third uh point that I and
final that I

1403
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:56,320
um Mr. Cup is really good on roles and
responsibilities but I think that the

1404
01:53:54,320 --> 01:54:02,320
board would be better served with
someone uh with a consultant that has

1405
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:05,320
more risk management uh reporting uh
experience.

1406
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:12,000
» Go ahead.
>> Okay. Uh with regards to reporting, um

1407
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:15,840
we have not got that far along in terms
of like the format that that would take,

1408
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:21,679
but our initial thoughts are that uh
there would be a report on the consent

1409
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:26,000
agenda. Uh each month to that would
catalog all of the authorities that have

1410
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:30,960
been exercised in accordance with the
bylaw that the ones that require

1411
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:34,880
reporting uh to the board. Uh most most
of the reporting is, you know, reported

1412
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:38,880
at the next month. So we would probably
provide some compilation on those those

1413
01:54:37,199 --> 01:54:41,840
things rather than send them off through
the committees. They would just appear

1414
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:46,480
on the board agenda and then could be
discussed if if the directors so wished.

1415
01:54:44,639 --> 01:54:50,800
So that's our initial thoughts but as we
get you know welcome comments on that's

1416
01:54:49,199 --> 01:54:55,679
something maybe the directors want to
consider as they provide comments back

1417
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:58,159
on on the content of the bylaw that we
could take a look at and make some

1418
01:54:56,639 --> 01:55:03,520
proposals for that when we bring this
back. Um, with regards to the contract

1419
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:08,239
length, the you know the regulation
actually has changed. Um, so unless

1420
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:14,800
there is a liability of a capital
nature, that 5-year um requirement uh

1421
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:18,800
does not apply anymore. But uh the
guidance that we use internally for our

1422
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:23,760
business is is really you know we don't
unless it's an exceptional situation. We

1423
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:27,199
generally don't want to enter into
contracts

1424
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:30,080
service contracts longer than 5 years
because actually you know the business

1425
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:34,159
changes over time and we want to make
sure the contracts are up to date and

1426
01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:39,599
reflecting today's needs and also you
know you there's some risks with costs

1427
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:44,000
if you you know uh procure a service for
a longer period of time. there's more

1428
01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:49,119
sort of cost escalation built into that.
So, it's I think it's generally good for

1429
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:52,560
business to keep to keep our um uh
service agreements within a five-year

1430
01:55:50,639 --> 01:55:57,280
period unless there's a compelling
reason to do so otherwise. Um but that

1431
01:55:54,960 --> 01:56:04,040
is that's really just sort of a an
internal um sort of guidance that we

1432
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:04,040
give in these situations if not

1433
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:11,280
» just
I just saw that as something that was

1434
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:15,760
missing and it
Just the only other comment would be

1435
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:20,239
some reporting would not be required.
There's stuff that I don't think the

1436
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:24,560
board wants to see if it's on the lower
level period.

1437
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:28,320
» I made one more point there. The
rewarding that we put together could

1438
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:33,920
include include the contract length and
some basic information about the

1439
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:33,920
contract to inflation director.

1440
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:40,880
And if I can indulge one additional
point here,

1441
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:44,480
» um, a lot of the reporting requirements,
the the reporting requirements have been

1442
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:49,199
built in as a transparency measure and
to provide asurances that uh, the board

1443
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:53,199
is going to see things, but keeping in
mind a lot of these things, these

1444
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:57,440
authorities that we're already
exercising are not reported to the board

1445
01:56:55,360 --> 01:57:03,679
from their exercise. So currently under
our um say a purchasing policy, anything

1446
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:06,960
under that $75,000 that that doesn't
require board approval, we're not

1447
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:11,920
providing a report at this time that
says here's all the contracts that we've

1448
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:17,360
entered into. So the reporting is a new
measure that's uh intended to provide

1449
01:57:14,719 --> 01:57:22,840
board some assurance that uh uh the
authorities that are delegated aren't

1450
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:22,840
being exercised improperly.

1451
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:29,599
» Thank you. I'm just noting I had
questions but I forgot. So I'm just

1452
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:34,080
going to Is there other I do have pop
off but I want to see if there's other

1453
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:37,520
discussion questions at this time.
>> Page go ahead.

1454
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:44,239
» Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate
the points. I will not be very much in

1455
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:48,400
support of creating reporting out items
that the whole point of doing the

1456
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:52,639
delegation. If it rises above it
thresholds I 100% want to know about it.

1457
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:56,320
If it's we've tr entrusted our staff
with these authorities to execute. So

1458
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:59,280
they can't because they have the
situational awareness in front of that

1459
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:01,599
business to make the best call. I don't
I don't want to burden them with

1460
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:06,880
additional work [clears throat]
reporting just for our own assurance. I

1461
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:10,080
think that's too much. But I trust staff
in the conversation that will come to

1462
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:15,119
land us in the right spot, but I just
wanted to state that.

1463
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:23,599
» Thank you. Good. I'm going to ask my Oh,
go ahead. Um, I just wanted to point out

1464
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:29,760
page five under scope uh section six
subsection five that nothing in this

1465
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:34,320
bylaw prevents a delegate from referring
a matter to the board for decision even

1466
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:39,679
if the delegate has authority to act
under the bylaw. So we the uh the

1467
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:45,920
delegate
has the option of weighing the issue and

1468
01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:49,679
um knowing the sensitivity of it
bringing it to the board so they can you

1469
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:54,480
know if they think there's going to be
an issue with it then the board makes

1470
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:59,599
the decision there they might not always
act on their authority and I agree with

1471
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:04,800
what uh director Paige said because if
you think of all the the small purchases

1472
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:10,480
that are made under the policy if we had
to have every every one of them come to

1473
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:15,119
us through through the staff report.
That's just way too much.

1474
01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:19,199
» Mike, go ahead.
>> If I may. Um, that's an important point

1475
01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:23,679
and that's one of the safeguards that's
built in the bylaw and certainly how you

1476
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:29,840
know we operate and part of this
delegation framework is really about

1477
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:33,520
ensuring that uh senior staff have have
visibility into what might be happening

1478
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:37,840
in all parts [clears throat] of the
organization. So a surface you know if

1479
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:43,679
potentially controversial or high-risk
or or sensitive items are uh you know

1480
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:48,960
being proposed that it reaches senior
staff and then you know it's it's I

1481
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:53,599
think in in practical terms the
escalation of things to the board where

1482
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:59,040
we you know um would understand the
board would be interested in this is is

1483
01:59:56,080 --> 02:00:03,360
already h has always happened here and u
this just really confirms that that that

1484
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:09,920
you know that that can be exercised and
there's Another important safe safeguard

1485
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:14,960
in here too in that um the board may
exercise any authority that's delegated

1486
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,000
here. So say for instance in in terms of
something the board's aware is coming

1487
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:22,080
down the pipeline and that we're going
to be entering into an agreement for the

1488
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:26,639
board can actually direct that that come
back to the board rather than the the

1489
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:31,440
delegated authority being exercised by
staff. So there's again a lot of

1490
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:38,320
important safeguards around moratory
that we've tried to build into this.

1491
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:41,520
» I'm going to go ahead with mine now. Um
in terms of reporting out it's good

1492
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:44,880
leeway. One thing I did note that I
think would be and again I would leave

1493
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:49,840
it to staff to figure out where this
lands but in how I read it in one of the

1494
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:54,159
reporting out mechanism it was regarding
staffing issues or any kind of HR aspect

1495
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:59,679
and I would just think that that's a
line in terms of as elected officials

1496
02:00:56,719 --> 02:01:03,280
and politicians we are not involved in
that kind of stuff and not that we would

1497
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:07,840
ever be involved from an authority
perspective but even reporting out to us

1498
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:10,800
I think could be risky. Um, and I I
don't have the specific sections, Mike,

1499
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:17,840
so I can just send you my notes after.
And then I have four questions. Um,

1500
02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:22,639
we note about the ability to sign NDAs,
non-disclosure agreements. Um, where

1501
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:26,000
would it land when elected officials who
are involved in, let's say, provincial

1502
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:33,760
conversations get requested to sign an
NDA? I think that's also a clear line to

1503
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:36,800
to identify where does that land because
oftentimes like within the provincial

1504
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:41,760
work I was doing, we had to keep
clarifying I am not the RDCK signing

1505
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:46,080
this NDA. I'm an elected official and so
while this delegation bylaw doesn't

1506
02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:50,159
refer to what elected officials have as
authorities, I think that needs to be

1507
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:54,800
flagged somewhere. So I'll just stop
there for a second and see if you have

1508
02:01:52,159 --> 02:02:01,040
any feedback or just take it.
Um that is a yeah I mean NDAs are sort

1509
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:06,000
of complicated area and really very sort
of situation dependent. Um, you know,

1510
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:12,800
again, elected officials aren't aren't
covered in this specific biot. Um, but,

1511
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:19,119
um, you know, what we've tried to do
with the proposal that presumably, you

1512
02:02:15,199 --> 02:02:23,440
know, like if if there's limitations on
non-disclosure agreements that were

1513
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:27,520
applied to staff, it would follow that.
So, there would be something similar

1514
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:31,760
guidance for for elected officials. What
we've tried to do with that section

1515
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:38,239
authorizing non-disclosure agreements is
limit it to very specific situations.

1516
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:41,840
uh and those are where it's required
because uh someone has shared

1517
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:48,960
proprietary third party information with
us and if we are in negotiations uh with

1518
02:02:46,159 --> 02:02:51,760
the another form of government um and
those are the ones where we would you

1519
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:57,920
know see these things serviced from time
to time and that is in terms of CEO

1520
02:02:55,520 --> 02:03:01,679
authority to enter in into these it's
only those situations and anything else

1521
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:05,119
beyond that or a different situation
would would require board approval.

1522
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:09,040
» Thank you. I think it just flags for me
that we do need to note somewhere in

1523
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:12,239
policy or guidance when it comes to a
new board what are the provisions for

1524
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:16,960
you to do this and being clear it's not
the RDCK that's signing that um I'll

1525
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:20,880
just name these other ones as input um
how we define RDCK interests that might

1526
02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:26,800
be challenged if we don't have a good
definition of interest is that assets is

1527
02:03:22,719 --> 02:03:30,560
that just just a suggestion uh for site
license agreements we limited max number

1528
02:03:28,719 --> 02:03:34,239
of participants but I would assume that
the fire code and the physical

1529
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:41,199
limitations and human resource capacity
would be what would determine those.

1530
02:03:37,199 --> 02:03:47,199
» Uh yes. So with the site license
agreements that is I believe the section

1531
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:51,840
you're referring to is really in to um
discussing special events and and

1532
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:56,400
thresholds by which staff could approve
a special event and and threshold by

1533
02:03:54,480 --> 02:04:02,080
which something would need to come to
the board. So um one of this is an area

1534
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:06,960
that's come up in the past working with
community services which does host

1535
02:04:03,840 --> 02:04:11,679
events. We've tried we we you know we've
had sort of a I guess kind of like an

1536
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:17,360
informal
framework around when uh we staff should

1537
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:20,560
take something to the board for a
decision on whether or not we're going

1538
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:23,920
to allow use of property because we have
you know use of our parks in

1539
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:29,679
specifically by lots of different groups
for lots of different reasons. So in in

1540
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:34,719
many respects that threshold uh that we
propose there in terms of what staff can

1541
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:40,639
approve reflects uh what is in the area
age special permit bylaw. And as a

1542
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:46,480
collectively as as a board at the time
that was where they sort of a agreed

1543
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:53,840
that um a a permit would be required for
certain events over a certain size. So

1544
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:58,400
um it is an arbitrary number but we and
this was mostly on the basis of uh

1545
02:04:56,080 --> 02:05:05,280
recommendation from the previous GM and
P services but like under 300 with the

1546
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:11,199
appropriate controls in place uh is
generally you know with should be within

1547
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:15,520
staff's realm and anything over 300 or
you know with other certifices being

1548
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:18,480
present would require board approval for
for that event to occur.

1549
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:22,960
» Okay. Okay. I'm just suggesting you have
a subject to that includes capacity. Um,

1550
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:26,639
and then the last two I'll just throw
into one. The there is an emergency

1551
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:29,760
section where it includes who has
authority for what, but we don't know

1552
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:34,159
the state of local emergency authority
which can be delegated. So, I think that

1553
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:37,679
that needs to be included in that is
currently the head of the local

1554
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:42,000
government, but um given the provisions
of the process, it can be delegated to

1555
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:49,920
the CAO. So, I think that just needs to
be reviewed.

1556
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:56,960
Uh to that point specifically, um we so
the designation matrix that is included

1557
02:05:53,440 --> 02:06:00,880
in board policy is complying with the
requirements of the emergency and

1558
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:04,719
disaster management act and we were very
careful and this was part of the legal

1559
02:06:02,639 --> 02:06:07,520
review as well to not duplicate or
overlap anything with that designation

1560
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:11,040
matrix.
>> Okay. So, so

1561
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:16,320
» feel fairly comfortable with the
language that's in here around the the

1562
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:19,679
emergency section that that it's keeping
things silent like they should be.

1563
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:24,360
» You might just want to reference there's
another matrix for that section. Okay.

1564
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:32,880
» Okay. Pop off.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Sher. I uh

1565
02:06:31,199 --> 02:06:38,800
haven't listened to everybody good
comments etc. But I also uh feel that uh

1566
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:42,719
possibly
adoption of this bylaw should be

1567
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:47,520
deferred till we have a new board
elected sometimes in January. And I've

1568
02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:51,280
talked to manager Morrison deferring it
for a certain amount of time and he can

1569
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:55,760
probably respond now that it would not
really seriously affect the operations

1570
02:06:53,280 --> 02:07:00,000
of the regional district. So, I'd like
to propose a a motion here that the

1571
02:06:58,239 --> 02:07:06,000
regional district of central Quinney
delegation of authority bylaw number

1572
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:11,119
3091 2026 be read a first and second
time by content and further that George

1573
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:15,199
Cuff, a subject matter expert on
governance for local governments, be

1574
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:18,960
invited to do a workshop on governance
to define the responsibilities of

1575
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:23,119
directors and staff before we consider
adopting the bylaw. If I get a second,

1576
02:07:21,679 --> 02:07:28,560
I'll speak to that.
>> Is there a second? I'll stack it up for

1577
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:33,119
like separation of that.
>> You can be added to the list.

1578
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:36,639
» It's actually two choice two.
>> Yes, we know that. But procedurally, if

1579
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:40,159
you're seconding it, it's on the floor.
We'll add you to the list for discussion

1580
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:46,800
and you can do that.
>> Okay. If I if I can open on that is I

1581
02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:52,560
think it's a good thing to have the
delegation bylaw there so we as all

1582
02:07:49,679 --> 02:07:56,239
directors understand our roles and
responsibilities and how staff is

1583
02:07:54,480 --> 02:08:02,320
supporting us in our roles and
responsibilities.

1584
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:07,040
Now, if we go to adoption of this bylaw
before the new board is in place, it

1585
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:13,119
would benefit everybody, especially the
newly elected directors or the directors

1586
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:18,400
that are coming back again to know our
how staff is supporting it in our

1587
02:08:15,119 --> 02:08:24,639
governance structure. And I've attended
George Cuff's presentation in FCM and it

1588
02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:30,960
was a very good presentation. I attended
his presentation back in 2012 at UBCM.

1589
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:36,079
So he does he's a subject matter expert
and it's somebody that's a little bit

1590
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:40,960
removed that deals with municipalities
and regional districts and provides us a

1591
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:47,119
guideline on that and it'd be good to
have a workshop on that so everybody's

1592
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:53,040
aware what including our staff general
managers be a portion of it part of it I

1593
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:57,920
should say that would benefit from all
of that and then we can deal with

1594
02:08:55,040 --> 02:09:01,840
delegation bylaw a lot of good points
there a lot of good and efficiency on

1595
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:07,360
there. Then we'll have a policy in place
or bylaws in place whatever is required.

1596
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:12,159
» Thanks Cunningham.
>> Thank you. Yes, the timing I think of

1597
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:16,880
the institution of the things is is
important because when we have a new

1598
02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:21,280
board and I remember a number of new
people when they were on this board and

1599
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:24,960
they know nothing about anything and
they would look at this and start want

1600
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:29,119
to make changes because they don't
understand it and I think there would be

1601
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:33,920
a let this thing should be in place
before so the the working staff and

1602
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:37,280
everybody else is familiar with it and
then when as the new people come on they

1603
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:41,360
can of course take that as part of the
regular ch training. I wouldn't want

1604
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:46,000
them to start making changes in this
kind of thing, especially if they don't

1605
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:51,969
know and they won't know anything
because I know some of the believe me

1606
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:52,880
over the years. Okay, we all know and
[laughter]

1607
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,040
do
>> you have a question, director

1608
02:09:53,679 --> 02:09:58,719
Cunningham, or is there a motion you're
going to change?

1609
02:09:56,159 --> 02:10:01,520
» Yeah. Yes, sir. I'd like I'd like to
move.

1610
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:04,480
» You're moving division?
>> Yes.

1611
02:10:02,079 --> 02:10:07,280
» Okay, thanks. Second on division.
>> No second.

1612
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:10,159
» It's not required. It's just divided.
>> It's two motions now.

1613
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:12,639
» It's two motions now. Okay.
>> First and second reading.

1614
02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:20,719
» So, let's focus on first and second
reading. The second one is divided.

1615
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:26,960
» Oh, all those in favor of division.
Anybody opposed?

1616
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:30,440
Division passes.
>> Call the question

1617
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:41,840
first and second readings. So, two vote.
chair. No, I'll take it back.

1618
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:45,119
» What are you guys talking about?
>> We are on the motion first and second

1619
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:47,679
reading
>> as it's in our report.

1620
02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:49,520
» Okay. Sorry.
>> Like the one that's in our report.

1621
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:52,320
» Yes.
>> There's a lot of words there.

1622
02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:56,719
» Yes. Sorry. I'll read the motion that
the regional district of Central

1623
02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:59,760
delegation of authority bylaw 3991 be
read bred first and second by content.

1624
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:06,159
That is the motion on the floor right
now. Okay. So on that,

1625
02:11:03,679 --> 02:11:08,800
are we good? and okay thank you
>> just the chair you don't vote on

1626
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:12,880
division
>> okay so

1627
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:15,679
» can you add to the list please
>> uh Hannah

1628
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:20,800
» no I wanted division so
>> okay lockwood

1629
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:27,599
» uh question is that it's it was put
forward as information but I do believe

1630
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:34,079
um that director Jackman had a good
point of of how do we divide this if

1631
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:37,599
we're putting first and second first so
The process is still the same in terms

1632
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:42,159
of first and second means we get to take
sorry staff will take input and when it

1633
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:46,159
comes back to us in September it'll
include whatever input has been received

1634
02:11:44,239 --> 02:11:51,840
and until you do third reading you can
still receive that input and make

1635
02:11:47,599 --> 02:11:56,400
changes at third you don't make changes
>> if I may. So then we can still make

1636
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:59,840
three different bylaws at that point.
Okay, I'm good with that. I didn't

1637
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:03,040
realize we do it that way. So staff had
indicated they will come back in

1638
02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:06,719
September if this motion was what passed
with here's the red line of what was

1639
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:08,880
proposed and then then we're debating
all of the input we received.

1640
02:12:08,239 --> 02:12:11,880
» Thank you.
>> Okay.

1641
02:12:12,639 --> 02:12:20,239
All those in favor
opposed carry. There is still another

1642
02:12:17,599 --> 02:12:25,840
motion that is that we uh invite George
Cuff as part of our orientation.

1643
02:12:23,199 --> 02:12:30,960
Quite a clarification. The other motion
also included

1644
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:37,760
not to adopt until
is that what's in the second motion?

1645
02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:42,400
» Motions have a second motion. That's in
>> I think technically those are the words

1646
02:12:40,639 --> 02:12:45,679
used. I don't know that we can tie a
bylaw to an orientation set.

1647
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:48,159
» Agree.
>> So that's what I would like

1648
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:51,440
clarification please. What
>> would you like to amend the motion

1649
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:56,560
currently? No, I'd like to hear is the
motion that we not adopt till after

1650
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:59,440
which is what I heard or is the motion
that we just have a workshop.

1651
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:01,920
» You're correct. It is that we not adopt
until after

1652
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:07,679
» which I will oppose.
>> Okay.

1653
02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:14,400
» Angela has that motion and even
>> I think we know what the motion is.

1654
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:20,800
» Is anyone not clear at this moment?
>> Okay. Further on uh the George Prep

1655
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:23,920
orientation which includes not
Is that an is that a question?

1656
02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:26,159
» Question on the George Cuff
organization. Yes.

1657
02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:29,599
» Yes.
>> Why does it have to be George Cuff?

1658
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:33,440
There are other subject matter experts.
George Cuff's schedule may not be

1659
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:38,639
amenable to this. I think it should just
be named as a subject matter expert. Let

1660
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:43,840
staff decide and if it happens to be
George Cuff, I'm happy with that. But uh

1661
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:47,599
it may or may not have to be George Cup.
Can I just ask staff how they generally

1662
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:51,280
do orientation which will include a
request to current directors around how

1663
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:55,599
do we want to do orientation which could
include who do you recommend? I think

1664
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:59,119
you've spoken about.
>> Yeah. Now, but

1665
02:13:58,079 --> 02:14:02,079
» okay then.
>> Yeah. Through the chair. Historically,

1666
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:06,000
we have not brought an external
consultant in for orientation. We have

1667
02:14:04,239 --> 02:14:10,079
done that because it's it's orienting
new directors to the business of the RD

1668
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:14,400
process to the table, departments,
budgets, responsibilities, things like

1669
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:19,360
that. So if you would like to have a
motion that direct staff to

1670
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:23,599
bring in external consultant to support
orientation work, we could look at a

1671
02:14:22,159 --> 02:14:30,400
number of different options and not just
Mr. City

1672
02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:33,840
» McFaten. I just want clarity on motions.
So I thought division was division of

1673
02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:38,400
actually what director Quoff was putting
on the floor which was one deferring

1674
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:42,159
adoption till after the new board and
second portion was bringing someone in

1675
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:44,320
for Okay. So it's all that and that's
what we're debating is both sides

1676
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:48,239
together.
>> Yeah. So the whole motion what was

1677
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:50,560
divided was the bylaw first and second
from the orientation

1678
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:51,920
» from this whole motion.
>> Yes.

1679
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:55,760
» Want to make sure I know what I'm
debating. Okay. Thanks.

1680
02:14:54,159 --> 02:15:01,199
» Good. Uh head.
>> Oh thank you. Just um for clarity um to

1681
02:14:58,960 --> 02:15:05,599
the chair when we talk about orientation
we're talking about the new board.

1682
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:10,000
» Yes. Thank you
>> Paige.

1683
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:14,239
probably from a clarity standpoint, if I
wanted this to pass, we should divide

1684
02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:18,800
again because they're distinctly
different pieces, the adoption and the

1685
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:23,119
the orientation. But given what has
already been said, I'm inclined to just

1686
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:28,400
say no to both because of the naming of
a specific and the bringing in of an

1687
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:32,880
external and and to Hans's great point
earlier, which I share getting this

1688
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:36,079
certainty laid out before the next crew
comes in and has to learn a bunch of

1689
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:39,840
stuff. They'll want to change things in
the future, but let's lay down as much

1690
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:43,040
certainty as we can potentially in three
different buckets. So, I'll vote

1691
02:15:42,400 --> 02:15:48,800
against.
>> Thank you, Dr. L.

1692
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:52,800
» Yeah, I would vote against with it all
together like it is. So, I was going to

1693
02:15:50,800 --> 02:16:00,760
propose an amendment
>> to remove the postponing

1694
02:15:56,400 --> 02:16:00,760
language at the beginning of the motion,

1695
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:07,760
» but with not having it written,
>> I think.

1696
02:16:06,079 --> 02:16:14,480
» Okay. And then the other quick
supplemental is that there the LGA um or

1697
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:17,920
leadership um that typically does
clearly articulate the roles and

1698
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:24,800
responsibilities. So that could be an
encouragement for any new members to

1699
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:28,440
attend that as well. Okay.
All those in favor

1700
02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:34,280
those opposed
motion

1701
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:34,280
» fails.

1702
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:42,800
» All right. 6.1.1
amendment. This is the FCM green

1703
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:46,719
municipal fund assignment ready plans.
You have a motion and there is a board

1704
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:51,240
report. Staff are here. Are there
questions and or be ready for the

1705
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:51,240
motion?

1706
02:16:54,240 --> 02:17:01,840
» I will move the motion. I have a second.
>> Thank you. Discussion. Outline of the

1707
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:06,399
scope is in the second attachment. That
was a question the other day.

1708
02:17:04,880 --> 02:17:10,880
Seeing no discussion. All those in
favor?

1709
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:16,880
Opposed? Carried.
6.1.2 financial plan amendment. This is

1710
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:22,319
for uh engagement with our producers
with the goat river wershed producer

1711
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:25,800
work. Do we have questions or are we
ready for a motion?

1712
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:31,639
» Thank you. Do we have a second? Thank
you. Discussion.

1713
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:37,719
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.

1714
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:49,679
Okay, this one might take some time.
How do I plan for timing on this one?

1715
02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:53,120
» I think we can uh get into this one and
just note that if we get into moving the

1716
02:17:51,679 --> 02:17:59,519
motion that means we're either going to
continue on past public time or not. So,

1717
02:17:55,679 --> 02:18:03,679
I'll just watch the discussion as we go.
>> We

1718
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:07,599
» Yes, Paige.
>> Could we table the staff to lunch and

1719
02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:11,840
just move on to the next ones?
>> We do have staff present. I don't know.

1720
02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:14,960
Are you able to
>> Okay. I just think we're going to have a

1721
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:17,280
bifurcated conversation.
>> Okay.

1722
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:21,439
» Does anyone have opposed to that? We've
now tabled two items until or postponed

1723
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:29,719
two items.
>> It's good.

1724
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:29,719
» Okay. We're also postponing 6.1.3.

1725
02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:38,880
» Sorry.
>> It's okay. Probably Wednesday 4:30.

1726
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:45,200
Wait. Did I
Did I just hear that? We're postponing

1727
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:49,200
6.1.3 or 6. I thought I heard 6.1.2.
>> No, we passed two or post.

1728
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:54,719
» It was three. I thought I heard it two
again. I was getting deathies.

1729
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:58,960
» Okay. 6.1.4. Word of contract for the
hydraulic connectivity in the G River.

1730
02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:02,080
Are we ready for a motion?
>> I'll move the recommendation.

1731
02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:08,639
» Thank you. Do we have a second? Thank
you. Discussion, Dann. Um just a

1732
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:13,240
question around clarity of the scope. Uh
why is it not including we have

1733
02:19:13,519 --> 02:19:22,719
» go ahead? Yes. Thank you. Um so for the
priority streams those were identified

1734
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:28,639
through the original project scope that
was a project that did come from the

1735
02:19:25,280 --> 02:19:34,240
high geology department at the province.
So there is I mean definitely room for

1736
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:39,760
additional sampling sites. That's
something that we've already looked at

1737
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:45,519
as a project team and um there could be
flexibility within the other like tasks

1738
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:49,120
which are the model development that
could accommodate potentially more

1739
02:19:46,960 --> 02:19:53,920
sampling sites. If we wanted to expand
it further, it would be a change in

1740
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:58,080
scope and potentially additional budget
would be needed. But

1741
02:19:56,800 --> 02:20:00,960
» supplemental by
>> Yes, go ahead.

1742
02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:04,479
» Thank you. So, we didn't as a group have
a lot of time. We didn't never really

1743
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:06,720
talk about this. Director Vandenberg, I
know you're speaking to Camille.

1744
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:10,560
» I'm trying to be polite.
>> I know. I know. And she knows you won't

1745
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:13,760
be rude. He just They can't hear online
if he's not here.

1746
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:18,399
» We not we did not as a group have an
opportunity to really get into uh the

1747
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:25,680
the benefits of this RFP, but we have
talked about the importance of Duck

1748
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:31,680
Creek. Um and uh I I think that we
should consider that because it's a main

1749
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:36,720
tributary uh in the Gold River wershed.
Um and it's significant uh probably one

1750
02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:42,160
of the more probably more so than the
Arrow Creek one um um in my estimation.

1751
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:47,680
So um that's the reason for my
questioning and uh perhaps at that level

1752
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:54,160
at that our next working group we can
explore that further. I'm not sure but

1753
02:20:50,479 --> 02:21:01,680
then if that's the case does that um
does that inhibit it as an opportunity

1754
02:20:56,960 --> 02:21:04,680
in this motion? So
back

1755
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:14,160
» I think that there are further explore
with this motion doing what is the kind

1756
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:17,200
of the the main area. There's no
limitation to look at expanding

1757
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:20,880
especially as you get into tools and
other aspects. So it can still be

1758
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:23,760
discussed and reviewed I think is what I
heard from

1759
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:27,680
» Camil. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There's definitely um

1760
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:31,600
interest in potentially expanding it.
Although the the streams that were

1761
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:36,479
identified are definitely priority areas
just because of the water allocations

1762
02:21:34,479 --> 02:21:39,760
there as well. But definitely something
that we can look at.

1763
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:42,880
» Good.
>> So supplemental. I'm hearing that we can

1764
02:21:42,080 --> 02:21:45,520
look at it.
>> Yes.

1765
02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:47,280
» We can have further discussion on it.
What I'm hearing?

1766
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:53,359
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

1767
02:21:48,160 --> 02:21:59,040
» Okay. Dr. Huitt. Uh through the chair.
But I'm hearing the the discussion

1768
02:21:55,520 --> 02:22:02,880
happening there about adding additional
scope

1769
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:10,880
potentially adding additional scope.
This is it's grant funded 100% at this

1770
02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:18,319
point if additional scope is added. It's
going through uh S 105

1771
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:21,840
would that just automatically be assumed
that it would come out be funded out of

1772
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:27,280
what? I just want to make sure that
whatever is being requested for

1773
02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:34,080
additional consideration
under this project that there is there

1774
02:22:30,880 --> 02:22:37,760
is funding also attached to it that
doesn't have to go through to budget

1775
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:42,720
discussions. The request for additional
discussion does not tie this grant to

1776
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:46,560
that potential outcome of the
discussion. It's just that you can still

1777
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:51,359
talk about how could we also evaluate
that. So that's what we're clarifying is

1778
02:22:49,520 --> 02:22:54,640
um and I will speak more to the overall
project and timelines and other

1779
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:58,880
opportunities
um when we do the chairs report but at

1780
02:22:56,800 --> 02:23:02,720
this point it's not tying this grant to
also increasing to include that is that

1781
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:08,600
the discussions that are ongoing in the
workshops can still consider other

1782
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:08,600
aspects

1783
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:19,120
Amy I'm sorry I didn't see you
>> thank you um through the chair if I may.

1784
02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:24,960
So the the work we're doing on this
watershed is is really tied to the

1785
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:29,520
watershed itself. The scope of work was
developed in partnership with our

1786
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:35,439
provincial counterparts. And so what we
can do is go to our professionals and

1787
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:40,720
ask them to assess all the contributing
waterways for this watershed. And so

1788
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:45,120
that's what our our intention here is.
If that for whatever reason doesn't

1789
02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:49,520
include some of these items that are uh
being noted, we can come back to the

1790
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:52,880
committee and see if we want and get an
estimate and come back to the committee

1791
02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:57,600
and see if we want to expand that scope
or if there's some way to adjust the

1792
02:23:54,560 --> 02:24:00,920
rest of the scope so that uh it can be
fit in.

1793
02:24:02,880 --> 02:24:10,120
» Okay. All those in favor? Opposed? Very
good.

1794
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:17,520
I'm sorry, Amy. Sorry, I did see you put
your name in chat and I just

1795
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:21,120
» Sorry,
>> my chat doesn't work on this screen. I'm

1796
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:24,399
sorry.
Um, so we do have a few minutes. The

1797
02:24:22,800 --> 02:24:29,240
financial plan amendments for fire
services. Can those be done as a block?

1798
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:29,240
No.

1799
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:39,720
Move to block, but they move.
>> All right. Move is blocked. We have a

1800
02:24:34,560 --> 02:24:39,720
second. Thank you. Any p for discussion?

1801
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:48,640
Seeing none. All those in favor?
Opposed? Carries. Right on.

1802
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:51,600
Okay. Uh 6.3.1. Director Paw, do you
want to move this with the removal of

1803
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:54,000
your item? It's going to move to
development.

1804
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:59,439
» Yes. I'd like I'd like to remove the
discretionary grant with the remove area

1805
02:24:56,800 --> 02:25:03,040
discretionary grant application. Then
I'll retreat center in the amount of

1806
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:06,560
$5,000.
And it should be a community development

1807
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:10,000
grant. The applicant filled out the
wrong form. So I will be then make

1808
02:25:08,479 --> 02:25:11,359
amendment to the other one.
>> Yes.

1809
02:25:10,399 --> 02:25:14,960
» Second.
>> Thank you. So the motion is moved with

1810
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:19,240
the removal of that one. I will believe
when we get to the next one to add it.

1811
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:25,280
» Yes.
>> Okay. Uh further discussion on

1812
02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:28,960
discretionary grants.
Everything's correct. This is last month

1813
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:34,000
to make corrections. We'll see them.
Okay. All those in favor? Opposed?

1814
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:37,200
Carried. Now pop off. Actually I have an
amendment on development. So, I'm going

1815
02:25:35,359 --> 02:25:41,840
to do I'm going to move it with my
change and then I'll go with mentioned.

1816
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:44,319
» Yeah. And then with with that uh
>> No, hold on. I'm going to come to you in

1817
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:46,800
a second.
>> Okay.

1818
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:55,359
» I'm moving community development with an
increase um for area D the S187 transfer

1819
02:25:52,080 --> 02:26:01,200
from 5,000 to 7,000.
But I'm moving it with that increase.

1820
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:04,560
And I can explain after I get a second
and then I'm going to go to pop off

1821
02:26:02,399 --> 02:26:08,720
first amendment. A second.
>> Thank you.

1822
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:16,840
» And
Bob is going to add his

1823
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:16,840
» from discretionary to development

1824
02:26:16,960 --> 02:26:27,520
» to development of order. We're on 632.
>> Yes. Then I need to declare um that I

1825
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:30,800
wish to declare at this time that I'm
not entitled to participate in the

1826
02:26:29,040 --> 02:26:36,720
discussions of our vote on the next item
of business on the meeting agenda.

1827
02:26:33,439 --> 02:26:41,680
Nighting being 6.3.2
by reasons of me being a member of one

1828
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:45,520
of the organizations that's being uh may
receive funds and as a result I'll be

1829
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:50,720
leaving the meeting.
>> Thank you. We'll just pause discussion

1830
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:53,520
and movement until you leave.
We got that an

1831
02:26:54,960 --> 02:27:01,439
Okay,
popup is adding us community development

1832
02:26:58,880 --> 02:27:06,720
area H
>> and that is add area discretionary grant

1833
02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:10,880
application Benile Retreat Center as a
community development grant application

1834
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:16,439
in the amount of $5,000.
>> Thank you.

1835
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:16,439
» Further discussion

1836
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:25,760
we second that. Sure, I'll say it.
>> Oh, yes. Sorry, I blank

1837
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:30,800
» since you're asking.
>> Yeah, I'm sorry,

1838
02:27:28,880 --> 02:27:36,560
» Paige. Go ahead.
>> Yeah, if just because we don't see it as

1839
02:27:33,359 --> 02:27:41,760
large as the biohysical
piece, do we have any limits on some of

1840
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:46,560
the sizes of these grants? And and what
is the process to

1841
02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:48,800
validate some of this? It's like that's
a that's a huge

1842
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:54,000
» reference which area and which grant
>> area H uh biohysical assessment on the

1843
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:58,880
park and I just Christopher Regional
Park. Such a big grant feels out of

1844
02:27:56,800 --> 02:28:01,200
place within here. I I feel I want more
information. Oh,

1845
02:27:59,840 --> 02:28:03,600
» okay. So, you're asking about that?
>> Yeah, I would like to

1846
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:06,800
» Okay. have a little bit more of an
overview. You just have the one pager

1847
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:12,920
and it's such a big grant.
>> Do we have park staff that can speak to

1848
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:12,920
that? Um,

1849
02:28:13,520 --> 02:28:17,640
» uh, I'm no

1850
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:24,399
» Is there within this program? Is there
any like is there any upper limit where

1851
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:28,240
additional scrutiny has to occur or this
has been passed off by staff

1852
02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:31,120
» for the chair? Anything above $5,000
requires reporting reporting back to the

1853
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:32,080
regional district on how the funds are
spent?

1854
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:34,319
» I'd say,
>> yeah,

1855
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:38,399
» and this is also going to regional
district asset.

1856
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:42,560
Yeah, I I I would maybe flag it for
future consideration around this program

1857
02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:48,000
that maybe there's some other buckets
that need to be contemplated um above

1858
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:52,800
5,000 maybe above 50 additional
requirements, additional review

1859
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:54,000
» to the chair regarding application
standards.

1860
02:28:53,520 --> 02:29:00,560
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1861
02:28:54,880 --> 02:29:05,520
» I it's a big grant for one. Yeah.
>> Okay. Further discussion.

1862
02:29:04,399 --> 02:29:09,920
You see these kind of around some
committee works which are publicly

1863
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:14,200
detailed. Point taken. All those in
favor opposed.

1864
02:29:15,680 --> 02:29:24,680
» Yes. Go ahead.
>> Uh chair if I could suggest that the

1865
02:29:18,800 --> 02:29:24,680
board reconsider item 6.1

1866
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,960
because indeed

1867
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:35,040
» Oh yeah. Thank you. Sorry.

1868
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:48,160
back. [laughter]
>> We're not quite back there. Hold on. I

1869
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:50,479
think we'll just do public time and
lunch and when we come back, there's

1870
02:29:49,359 --> 02:29:53,280
going to be one we're going to have to
amend.

1871
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:55,600
» Sorry to the chair not amend. So, in the
category of everybody's paying attention

1872
02:29:54,640 --> 02:30:00,640
today,
>> um 6.1.1 and 6.1.2 on your agenda with

1873
02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:04,479
the exact same motion.
So the motion for 6.1.1 should have come

1874
02:30:02,960 --> 02:30:08,240
from the board report which was attached
which was a different motion than the

1875
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:12,240
one that ended up in the agenda cover.
So there'll be there'll be a need to

1876
02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:16,800
reconsider that motion
um reconsider 6.11 because you pass the

1877
02:30:15,280 --> 02:30:18,560
same motion at
>> I know that the board report was

1878
02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:20,479
missing.
>> So Ulie was the only one paying

1879
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:24,560
attention.
>> Thanks

1880
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:30,640
you rock.
That's a note for lunch or after time of

1881
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:34,560
» It was in my board notes.
>> Okay, let's take I think we're at public

1882
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:39,040
time now.
>> All right, public time 11:45.

1883
02:30:37,359 --> 02:30:42,160
Um I do have someone with their hand up
on. I'm going to go online mic and then

1884
02:30:40,399 --> 02:30:45,600
I'll come to you guys. Okay. So, those
who would like to ask us a question from

1885
02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:50,040
the public or media, you are welcome to
unmute and ask us your question.

1886
02:30:52,319 --> 02:30:58,100
Um, this is Deborah Randall from area J.
I have my hand up. I don't know if

1887
02:30:56,000 --> 02:31:03,120
there's anyone else, but I'll go.
[clears throat] Go ahead, Deb. Um,

1888
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:09,040
» my question is about succession planning
of the board and the and the policies

1889
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:14,080
around that. Um, you know, in November
there's going to be some new faces

1890
02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:20,560
whether by design or by the will of the
voters. And um so I think succession

1891
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:24,800
planning a discussion about that is
really important at this stage. Uh I

1892
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:30,479
think we can all agree that robust
succession planning is an important part

1893
02:31:27,840 --> 02:31:34,560
of any successful organization. Well
anyone I've ever worked at anyway. Um my

1894
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:38,399
first question there's a couple of
questions but they all relate to the

1895
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:45,200
same thing. Uh is about the induction
process. Um I I saw the PowerPoint that

1896
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:49,920
was given in 2022
and I'd like to know more about the

1897
02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:54,080
entire process. Um is it the same
PowerPoint? How many sessions are

1898
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:59,600
provided? Like how many hours do they
get uh in the induction? What documents

1899
02:31:56,960 --> 02:32:07,040
are they provided with? And is there a
mentoring program? I think uh I think I

1900
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:11,840
think everyone benefits from a mentoring
program when they're stepping into a new

1901
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:17,520
role. Um the second question is about
the obligations about the incumbent

1902
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:23,760
directors to provide what we would have
called in business world uh handover

1903
02:32:20,560 --> 02:32:29,760
notes. um so that they are not you know
they're not thrown in the deep end

1904
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:34,080
without without nothing and um so that
they can get more importantly so that

1905
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:38,720
they can get up and running immediately.
Uh they know what's in front of them and

1906
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:43,200
and just as an illustration I'm going to
talk about area H and director pop off

1907
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:48,240
uh nothing personal
>> reference a specific director. Oh, it's

1908
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:52,160
not about him personally. It's about
area H as an example.

1909
02:32:50,880 --> 02:32:57,200
» Area H.
>> Yeah, because it's a really complex uh

1910
02:32:54,880 --> 02:33:02,479
electoral area. It has three
municipalities of the nine. It's

1911
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:07,520
massively huge in geography and it's got
a lot of people and there's been a lot

1912
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:11,040
go on in area H uh in the last four
years. Well, the last three years

1913
02:33:08,800 --> 02:33:16,000
anyway. There's Campbell Field, there's
the schoolhouse, those are ongoing.

1914
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:21,520
There's the bike locker project there
that was just given some money and

1915
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:25,439
historically there's the failed dog
referendum and the failed garbage

1916
02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:29,600
referendum and a new director say a new
there's a new person in that in that

1917
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:34,560
seat they should know all those things.
So my question is, is there an

1918
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:44,720
obligation of the incumbent directors to
provide handover notes on these on these

1919
02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:48,960
uh key, current, and past um issues?
Um so

1920
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:54,000
» you have about four questions so far.
Are there more? Well, there I think

1921
02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:58,640
there's just one more and and it is
about it's it's sort of along the same

1922
02:33:56,399 --> 02:34:04,880
veins is does a new director have access
to the emails of the previous director

1923
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:10,880
so that they can school themselves. So
it's about email access and the last

1924
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:17,520
question is about how it may it may
circle back to the induction but how are

1925
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:23,439
they given again schooling on the really
big issues that are in front of the

1926
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:29,920
regional d uh regional board like um
flood management like uh asset

1927
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:37,280
management uh the prioritiz
prioritization matrix those really huge

1928
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:41,359
huge um projects that are going on. How
do they get brought up to speed on that?

1929
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:44,240
» Okay, thanks Dev. That's that's quite a
few questions. So, I'll just stop you

1930
02:34:42,960 --> 02:34:47,040
there and we'll answer what we've got
from you so far.

1931
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:52,240
» That was it.
>> Sure, for the chair. Uh Deb, I'll try to

1932
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:56,399
hit the floor. I think I got them. Uh
succession planning really there's no

1933
02:34:54,720 --> 02:35:01,920
obligation to do succession planning.
And I know that generally speaking, uh,

1934
02:34:59,040 --> 02:35:05,680
directors are always looking for support
from alternate directors and there's a

1935
02:35:04,479 --> 02:35:09,520
number of directors I've seen in the
past where they've worked with their

1936
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:14,080
alternate director as a potential
succession plan when it comes there.

1937
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:18,000
Obviously, in a political environment,
um, there might be disagreements which

1938
02:35:15,840 --> 02:35:21,920
prevent that in terms of uh, someone's
alternate stepping into uh, the seat at

1939
02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:26,640
the table, but I think that that would
be the best way that I could speak to

1940
02:35:23,280 --> 02:35:29,439
succession planning. um orientation.
Last year, we're actually going through

1941
02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:34,319
this now in terms of scheduling the new
one. Last year, there was about 22 hours

1942
02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:39,200
worth of sessions. Sorry, not last year,
last election. So, in 2022, there's

1943
02:35:36,479 --> 02:35:43,600
about 22 hours worth of sessions. Uh
some of those were online recorded

1944
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:48,399
sessions, but really what we try to do
is cover as much as we can in the

1945
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:51,920
beginning that relate to what a director
needs to know to start to get into the

1946
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:56,160
role, what they need to know about
getting through a meeting. And then we

1947
02:35:53,680 --> 02:36:00,319
have sessions devoted to each department
that were a couple of hours within those

1948
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:05,760
and I'll knock off another question here
with that within those departmental

1949
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:09,520
sessions we do go through the large
projects that are in front of the board.

1950
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:14,160
So for example in the development
services session we would talk about the

1951
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:17,920
uh subdivision bylaw project that's
going on. We talk about the flood plane

1952
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:21,200
bylaw. We talk about those big meaty
issues that are in front of the board so

1953
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:24,800
that when the director sees the next
report, they know that it's there. They

1954
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:28,880
can go back to previous agendas and
minutes and take a look at what's

1955
02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:32,240
happened in the past. Uh, email access
is an interesting one. I'd have to check

1956
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:36,080
the privacy legislation around whether
or not that's something that's possible.

1957
02:36:34,399 --> 02:36:40,560
And in terms of an obligation on
handover notes, there's no obligation

1958
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:44,479
and there's no current board policy
around requiring a director to do

1959
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:48,160
anything. So, I think, you know, from
the perspective of a of a new director

1960
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:51,920
coming in, if they know a director's
leaving, then maybe there's some

1961
02:36:49,359 --> 02:36:56,240
discussion there on on what that
director does. And perhaps if a new

1962
02:36:54,160 --> 02:37:01,040
director gets the seat, perhaps again,
there's a discussion on uh there's a a

1963
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:04,240
reach out to that former director to see
if they want to sit down and talk about

1964
02:37:02,399 --> 02:37:08,720
the the last four years. But really,
from staff's perspective, we leave that

1965
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:12,640
at the elected level. I do know a couple
of directors around the table who do

1966
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:16,720
talked to directors who used to be in in
their seat previously.

1967
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:23,720
» Thank you.
>> Uh Mike or is there anyone else online

1968
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:23,720
with a question and or media?

1969
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:29,560
Hi Storm and uh Rachel.

1970
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:35,600
Not seeing any. Mike, by all means, do
you have a question? I just assumed you

1971
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:39,359
did. I don't I don't have a question
today except I want to know if the

1972
02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:43,920
meeting is still open after lunch.
>> We still have some open business. Yes.

1973
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:47,600
Okay.
>> Okay then.

1974
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:50,479
We will
>> his point to follow up.

1975
02:37:49,120 --> 02:37:52,080
» But we don't actually have directors
engage in public time.

1976
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:57,600
» Very good.
>> Thank you. Um thank you. We will take a

1977
02:37:55,200 --> 02:38:00,600
break for lunch. We'll see you at 1
o'clock.

1978
02:38:01,040 --> 02:38:04,040
Thanks.

1979
02:38:31,600 --> 02:38:39,280
Um,
Director Gordon, can you hear us? Okay.

1980
02:38:37,439 --> 02:38:43,040
» Yep, I can hear you.
>> Thank you. Hello, Director David.

1981
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:50,120
» Can you hear me? Chair?
>> Yes, I can. Thank you very much.

1982
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:50,120
And do we have Director Fight?

1983
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:56,040
I don't see him.

1984
02:38:57,200 --> 02:39:04,240
We didn't No one had a note from that he
wasn't returning. Oh, look. Yes, he's

1985
02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:09,439
not returning for the afternoon. He is
helping. So, he's not

1986
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:12,880
» Okay, that's fine. Thank you. All right.
So, directors, we're back in session. We

1987
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:20,760
do have to go back to an item. So, I'm
going to ask uh Vice Chair McLaren Poe

1988
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:20,760
to read and move the motion agend

1989
02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:25,880
» Yes, I believe she did.

1990
02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:33,920
» Okay.
All right. I will move that the forego

1991
02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:38,560
Oh god. that the foregoing motion being
that the board approve an amendment to

1992
02:39:35,359 --> 02:39:43,280
the 2026 to 2030 financial plan for the
community sustainability service S105 to

1993
02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:47,920
increase the grant specified revenue
account by 100,000 increase the

1994
02:39:45,439 --> 02:39:52,160
advertising account by 20,000 increase
account by 70,000 increase the travel

1995
02:39:50,399 --> 02:39:55,680
account by 5,000 and increase the
postage and administration account by

1996
02:39:53,840 --> 02:39:59,120
5,000 to recognize grant funding
received from the investment agriculture

1997
02:39:57,920 --> 02:40:02,640
foundation of British Columbia
agriculture water infrastructure program

1998
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:06,640
stream three for direct producer
engagement in the Gold River watered may

1999
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:10,000
be reconsidered by replacing the
recommendation with the following. that

2000
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:16,479
the board approve an amendment to the
2026 year of the 202630 financial plan

2001
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:23,280
for development services
A108 to increase external contributions

2002
02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:27,840
and contracts specified by 94,350
and to increase professional fees by

2003
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:31,359
$45,000 education and training by
$34,350

2004
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:36,399
travel by 5,000 advertising and
communication by 5,000 and

2005
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:40,640
administration by 5,000.
>> Seconded. Thank you. So that is the

2006
02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:45,040
motion that is in the report. We just
had the wrong motion. It's all in your

2007
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:48,280
inboxes right now.
>> Good motion.

2008
02:40:49,439 --> 02:40:54,240
» Oh, sure.
>> We just we doubled up on a motion and

2009
02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:56,880
had the wrong one.
>> Okay.

2010
02:40:55,840 --> 02:41:03,040
» Lockwood. Yes.
>> So did we through the chair to staff did

2011
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:06,720
we just resend the old motion within
that?

2012
02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:10,560
» Yeah. It's been reconsidered and
replaced. Okay. Thank you.

2013
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:12,880
» If it if it's
>> on the floor right now

2014
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:15,359
» on the floor.
>> Second.

2015
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:19,600
» It's already on the floor.
>> Thank you.

2016
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:23,640
» Discussion.
>> You say that it's in our

2017
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:33,880
» I've got it in the group directors.
Everybody good? No.

2018
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:53,120
Oh,
>> that it's the motion that was in the

2019
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:56,000
report just wasn't copied to East
correctly.

2020
02:41:54,640 --> 02:41:59,040
» It just seemed like you read a whole
bunch more.

2021
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:06,040
» We had to reconsider the previous
motion. So, yeah. Okay.

2022
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:06,040
All good.

2023
02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:15,479
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
All right. Now we are back to

2024
02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:21,640
» Oh, yes. Okay.

2025
02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:31,840
So, I will start but quickly hand it
over. So the the two reports that you

2026
02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:37,439
see in there are um as most of you know
we had the minister of Baltimore land

2027
02:42:34,560 --> 02:42:41,040
waterland natural resources walrus uh
from the region and I think a lot of

2028
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:45,200
municipalities met with her. We also met
with her. We had two different meetings.

2029
02:42:43,120 --> 02:42:48,800
Um one I was unable to attend. I was at
community planning meeting. So Vice

2030
02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:52,560
Chair McLaren co-et with her as well as
well as the rest in the meeting minutes.

2031
02:42:50,399 --> 02:42:55,359
Is there anything you want to recap on
that one?

2032
02:42:53,840 --> 02:43:01,200
Um
just a quick overview. Um let me just go

2033
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:06,080
back notes.
>> Oh, it's still missing.

2034
02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:11,280
» I have my
um

2035
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:16,720
we had a meeting uh here in Nelson with
Minister Neil and Minister Faith

2036
02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:22,560
Anderson um and a few of their senior
staff. The main topics were we discussed

2037
02:43:19,200 --> 02:43:27,439
orphan dikes um and director Jack was in
attendance as well. Um orphan dikes

2038
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:32,479
streamlining of access to crown land and
some challenges with water light and I

2039
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:38,000
think uh staff and if there's anything I
missed

2040
02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:41,280
here please let me know. Um I I want to
say that staff did a great job a very

2041
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:48,319
professional and thorough job explaining
the challenges to the uh province. Um,

2042
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:53,200
Emma has some detailed notes if we want
to if people want to dig into them more

2043
02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:58,160
uh, wholesomely. Um, and I'll just say
that I have dealt with Minister Neil on

2044
02:43:55,920 --> 02:44:02,720
a few items over the past couple years
and I quite appreciate her approach and

2045
02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:05,680
her staff's approach and seeming genuine
concern for the the issues we raise

2046
02:44:04,240 --> 02:44:08,640
because it's not always the case when we
deal with the province. So that's

2047
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:13,200
thanks.
>> Um, in terms of the notes, they're under

2048
02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:19,000
9.1.7. It was just a miscommunication
from me. supportive consent agenda

2049
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:19,000
you're looking for.

2050
02:44:20,080 --> 02:44:26,960
Good on those ones.
So then the other one um the one I was

2051
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:35,359
able to attend which is a chat attached
to the chair section is um a goat river

2052
02:44:32,960 --> 02:44:42,240
meeting at the goat that we held and you
can see in there who all attended. Um,

2053
02:44:39,439 --> 02:44:48,319
it was a really it was actually quite
heartfelt standing beside the the river.

2054
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:52,640
We're in a canyon and so you couldn't
physically touch the water. We had a jar

2055
02:44:50,640 --> 02:44:56,080
of water from the goat in the middle.
Thank you, Paris, for that suggestion.

2056
02:44:54,399 --> 02:45:03,279
It was a great way to kind of focus us
on what we were there for. Um, it was

2057
02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:08,640
really interesting to hear the not only
the history of the goat um from Robin,

2058
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:12,479
Louie, and Curtis, but also the
hydraology from Isaac Decker, who's done

2059
02:45:10,640 --> 02:45:17,439
his PhD in hydrarology and works with
Yaganuki. It really helped me grasp the

2060
02:45:15,359 --> 02:45:20,960
geography of what is occurring in that
area and what could be potentially

2061
02:45:19,279 --> 02:45:24,240
explored.
Um,

2062
02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:29,040
welcome to ask me any questions about
it. The one note I wanted to make that's

2063
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:33,840
not in here is um the go river go river
watershed process that has been

2064
02:45:31,279 --> 02:45:38,240
occurring so far has been um
predominantly workshops with the

2065
02:45:35,279 --> 02:45:43,760
directors from that area down at CVS
meeting but also separate workshops um

2066
02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:48,000
for ABC and the town of Preston. Um
given that the the next step which will

2067
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:50,880
be moving into in October receiving a
board report that'll have

2068
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:55,359
recommendations
um we will be looking at bringing the

2069
02:45:52,479 --> 02:45:59,359
board into where we're at all the
information at a workshop on September

2070
02:45:57,439 --> 02:46:04,399
22nd. Just giving you a heads up that
that'll come through um so that the

2071
02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:09,600
board can catch up on the level of
detail that has been presented to the

2072
02:46:06,160 --> 02:46:13,040
CBSC director so far. Um there'll be an
information report also received in

2073
02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:17,359
September so that you can also get all
that background but the workshop is

2074
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:21,840
really to start ensuring you have all
the info as much as the CBSC directors

2075
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:25,520
have had it. So just flag that date for
yourself.

2076
02:46:23,520 --> 02:46:29,120
Um
yeah, our wersheds are under great

2077
02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:34,080
distress and the fact that we can all
come together and talk about that as

2078
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:40,160
everybody involved in it is I think
incredible and also a little hard on the

2079
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:45,080
heart sometimes
um in terms any questions for me on that

2080
02:46:42,080 --> 02:46:45,080
meeting.

2081
02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:52,640
Okay, I feel like there's a ton of other
stuff as chair this past month. We had

2082
02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:58,000
two alerts that didn't go to orders. you
all saw those through the emails. Kay

2083
02:46:54,720 --> 02:47:04,399
and I both had alerts. We're good.
Fingers crossed the season is is done.

2084
02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:07,200
Um I do know we have a email group with
all the chairs across the province and

2085
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:11,920
there's been quite a bit of conversation
on those emails uh regarding response

2086
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:15,120
prevention. I've talked a bit about all
the different ways because I've just

2087
02:47:13,359 --> 02:47:18,960
come from the wershed and met with
Minister Neil talking about watershed

2088
02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:23,439
management as part of that conversation
in terms of fire and emergencies. really

2089
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:27,200
healthy conversations, nothing
actionorientated, but it looks like

2090
02:47:25,600 --> 02:47:32,399
we'll the chairs will be gathering at
UBCM uh with the CEOs and looking at

2091
02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:36,160
kind of how do we formalize our ability
to [clears throat] work as a team. No

2092
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:41,600
actions at this time. If there is,
they've come to the board, but just an

2093
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:46,399
FYI for you.
Yeah, it's been busy. When this guy goes

2094
02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:53,439
away, there's a lot more that I was so
gladly you got away.

2095
02:47:49,520 --> 02:47:57,279
I think that's it for me.
Feel like forgetting something. Sorry,

2096
02:47:56,319 --> 02:48:01,040
CA.
>> Uh to the chair, just to start on the on

2097
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:05,680
the fire side of things, just to let the
board know, we did have four separate

2098
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:11,120
deployments uh to support BC Wildfire.
So Terry's Northshore, Passmore, Buddha

2099
02:48:08,880 --> 02:48:15,840
Shenya, Beasley,
um I'm going to forget someone, Balfur,

2100
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:21,600
Windlaw, all at one point deployed staff
to support BC Wildfire either with um

2101
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:27,760
fire apparatus or an SPU unit. Um so
they on 14-day deployments. Um and then

2102
02:48:24,399 --> 02:48:31,680
the last one is uh got home yesterday.
So we don't have anyone to currently

2103
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:37,040
note. Um but just to let you know that
we have been supported fire that way. uh

2104
02:48:35,120 --> 02:48:41,840
UBCM meetings. I don't know if this was
ever communicated, meetings with with UB

2105
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:47,200
uh with ministry staff are the week
before UBCM and they're online. So, just

2106
02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:51,680
be aware that if you're attending any
meetings, you're going to get a calendar

2107
02:48:49,040 --> 02:48:56,240
invite that's going to be u probably a
Zoom or a Teams meeting that week of

2108
02:48:53,760 --> 02:49:00,160
September 7th. Uh we haven't heard back
from we've only heard back from one of

2109
02:48:57,840 --> 02:49:04,080
our minister requests and it was to tell
us that the ferry conversation has been

2110
02:49:01,920 --> 02:49:08,800
bumped to staff. So, we won't be getting
a minister meeting for the inlet fairy

2111
02:49:06,800 --> 02:49:12,560
conversation, but other than that, we
are waiting to hear on pretty much every

2112
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:15,760
single day. We don't have one yet. None
of them are yet scheduled. And then the

2113
02:49:14,479 --> 02:49:20,240
final thing I want to mention is we're
going to be sending out a survey uh to

2114
02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:24,560
the the point that came up during public
time regarding director orientation. And

2115
02:49:22,880 --> 02:49:28,080
we're looking for feedback from all of
you regarding what went well, what

2116
02:49:26,880 --> 02:49:31,359
didn't, what would you like to see more
of, what would you like to see less of.

2117
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:36,720
So, we put together some questions on
the orientation time frame, content,

2118
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:39,040
when we do things, and we'll be looking
for your feedback there. And then

2119
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:42,399
there's an open-ended question at the
end that you can just throw in whatever

2120
02:49:40,960 --> 02:49:46,319
you'd like if we haven't covered it. So,
look for that to come uh come into your

2121
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:51,680
email boxes, and then we'll plan the
orientation sessions around some of that

2122
02:49:48,479 --> 02:49:57,840
feedback. But that's all I had.
uh new and fenburg.

2123
02:49:53,920 --> 02:50:02,720
» Is it possible to send out the uh
process that was gone through last time

2124
02:50:00,319 --> 02:50:08,640
because I didn't attend it so we have
something to know what you did to

2125
02:50:06,240 --> 02:50:12,560
» Sure. Um Andrew, can you attach that to
that you have that schedule? Yeah, that

2126
02:50:10,560 --> 02:50:17,200
that'd be helpful just to trigger my
thought proc

2127
02:50:15,497 --> 02:50:21,200
[laughter]
>> that was my question to see if that

2128
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:25,920
context could be attached to the survey
because

2129
02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:28,160
» I can't even remember yesterday.
>> We got to

2130
02:50:27,520 --> 02:50:33,439
» weather.
>> Do we still have it in our east perhaps?

2131
02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:38,560
» It is under workshops. It's one of the
very bottom ones where all

2132
02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:43,520
» it goes back four years. Okay.
>> You can I I mean the the two pager on

2133
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:48,359
what occurred is is a good summary. You
can see the previous materials work.

2134
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:54,760
» Any other questions for CEO at this
time?

2135
02:50:55,040 --> 02:51:03,920
Um the chair, this isn't necessarily an
RG meeting, but I haven't heard anything

2136
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:07,243
on the hospital moving. Is that also on
hold

2137
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:10,240
» through the chair? Yeah, it's been um
[clears throat and cough]

2138
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:14,319
it's been actually we did hear on that
one because they've only accepted one

2139
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:19,920
topic to discuss. They rejected the
meeting and and selected one topic that

2140
02:51:17,600 --> 02:51:23,279
they've passed on to uh Ministry of
Health, I believe staff. So, I don't

2141
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:27,279
think that everything was accepted. I've
never seen that before where a ministry

2142
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:30,880
request has said we don't want to talk
about CD and E, but we're fine with A

2143
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:33,680
and B. Like, I've never seen that
before, but that's apparently what

2144
02:51:32,399 --> 02:51:36,160
happened. So, but we're still waiting to
hear who we're speaking to.

2145
02:51:35,439 --> 02:51:39,040
» At
>> when? Yeah. Yeah.

2146
02:51:37,359 --> 02:51:42,960
» Thank you.
>> Um, Angela, can you remind me we

2147
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:45,920
postponed 6.1.3,
which is the standing committee

2148
02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:51,200
conversation on SEO. Did we postpone
that to the end of the agenda or to the

2149
02:51:48,960 --> 02:51:56,560
line?
>> Just for

2150
02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:59,520
Okay. Sorry, Camila and Paris can stick
around.

2151
02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:02,000
» Huh?
>> We'll be quick.

2152
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:06,399
» Yeah, we'll get to you. Sorry. No
problem. [clears throat]

2153
02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:11,439
» Uh okay. Rule affairs committee director
Jackman.

2154
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:15,600
» So as usual to remind the board that
they've delegated authority to the new

2155
02:52:13,439 --> 02:52:19,840
affairs to receive delegations for land
use applications

2156
02:52:17,439 --> 02:52:28,160
andor recommendations from staff
reference issues. So yesterday we had 22

2157
02:52:25,760 --> 02:52:33,200
23 items. There's only 22
recommendations though. One was

2158
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:41,520
referred. We had neither in person or
online delegations on item 73

2159
02:52:36,479 --> 02:52:49,680
7.4 Kango on behalf of Hosen. Item 7.6
commer on behalf of Crestston. Item 77

2160
02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:58,880
Pan Callaway and Laura Shay
Shay on behalf of the uh West Crest

2161
02:52:54,960 --> 02:53:04,960
societ. So we have 22 recommendations I
will try to do in five parts.

2162
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:11,520
So first one on your agenda is arising
from item 7.2. It's the building bylaw

2163
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:15,920
contravention smog the area of B. So
this is all vote. I'm going to move cor

2164
02:53:13,279 --> 02:53:21,600
officer be directed to file notice on
title on the land as described.

2165
02:53:18,560 --> 02:53:27,200
» A second. Thank you. Discussion.
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.

2166
02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:32,479
Next one I think is best stand alone
arising from item 7.3 development

2167
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:37,279
variance permit application Magnoli area
A. I move the board approve the issuance

2168
02:53:34,960 --> 02:53:43,520
of the development variance permit the
2612A as described.

2169
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:49,279
» Second. Thank you. Discussion
all those in favor.

2170
02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:54,640
» Third one again seems best to stand on
its own. This is arising from item 74

2171
02:53:52,080 --> 02:54:00,319
land use bylaw amendment hango on behalf
of the land owners move the regional

2172
02:53:56,960 --> 02:54:06,800
district to San zoning amendment bylaw
number 30 87 2026

2173
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:11,040
an amendment as described is given for
second third reading by content and

2174
02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:16,640
consideration of adoption be withheld
pending the uh mod

2175
02:54:14,399 --> 02:54:20,960
uh review and access of the controlled
access permit

2176
02:54:17,920 --> 02:54:20,960
» second discussion

2177
02:54:21,279 --> 02:54:29,439
All those in favor opposed carried.
>> Like to move the next three items four,

2178
02:54:27,439 --> 02:54:34,960
five and six is a block. They are all
agricultural land reserve applications

2179
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:39,920
to go to the agricultural land
commission. They're either uh

2180
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:48,080
applications for non-farm use for
inclusion in the agricultural reserve or

2181
02:54:43,600 --> 02:54:53,760
uh the uh again of non-farm use. So the
three there I won't read them all out

2182
02:54:50,399 --> 02:55:00,800
but they are for uh uh crest banking
district area C there for is the crest

2183
02:54:57,520 --> 02:55:08,160
represented by home uh property located
in area B and for the application and

2184
02:55:05,920 --> 02:55:11,439
from area C I move those trees of block
as per agenda.

2185
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:14,080
» Do we have a second? Thank you.
Discussion do you want to pull one of

2186
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:18,399
them?
>> Uh I don't know that I need to. I just

2187
02:55:16,080 --> 02:55:24,479
would like to ask staff if they could
comment on the um the supplemental

2188
02:55:21,760 --> 02:55:30,279
document that will go along with the ALC
application for COMAR

2189
02:55:27,279 --> 02:55:30,279
» back.

2190
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:36,880
» Uh yeah, through the chair um the intent
is to prepare the letter that

2191
02:55:35,040 --> 02:55:40,399
essentially summarizes the conversation
from yesterday's rack meeting. I can go

2192
02:55:38,960 --> 02:55:45,120
into a bit more detail if that's
necessary. Um, but it was basically just

2193
02:55:42,880 --> 02:55:48,960
to capture the various discussion points
from different elected officials.

2194
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:55,680
» Thank you, Zach. Good.
>> Thank you. Yeah.

2195
02:55:51,279 --> 02:56:01,040
» All those in favor? Opposed?
>> Then maybe I should ask the uh Oh,

2196
02:55:58,399 --> 02:56:06,800
sorry. Oh, one more stand alone
arising from item 7.8. This is a land

2197
02:56:04,800 --> 02:56:11,040
use amendment bylaw environmental
development permit area enforcement by

2198
02:56:09,439 --> 02:56:17,359
prog.
So the u uh land use amendment bylaw

2199
02:56:15,359 --> 02:56:22,319
30252026
as described

2200
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:29,200
um is considered consistent with the
RDCK 26 financial plan and the RDCK

2201
02:56:26,640 --> 02:56:33,359
resource recovery plan pursuant to
section 4773A

2202
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:39,040
of the local government act.
>> Second. Thank you. discussion

2203
02:56:37,439 --> 02:56:41,840
» if any
>> first time we ever done this and I hope

2204
02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:48,240
it's the last time. It's got to be a
procedural way around this newly noted

2205
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:52,240
requirement under the LGA.
>> Thank you.

2206
02:56:50,880 --> 02:56:55,359
» Are you do you have a are you putting
your hand up? Yes.

2207
02:56:53,040 --> 02:56:58,720
» Yes. Thank you, chair. Uh it is the
first first time and it's sort of

2208
02:56:57,359 --> 02:57:04,160
interesting because really there's no
action taken. It just says, "Well, we're

2209
02:57:00,319 --> 02:57:08,760
consistent. Happy to be a relief."
Thank you. Just that mot.

2210
02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:17,840
» All those in favor? Opposed? Very.
>> So, unless everybody wants division, I

2211
02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:23,200
would propose we move the items 8
through 22 is a block. They are all

2212
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:28,399
committee works on as occasions that all
spelled out the amounts of motivations.

2213
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:33,520
So, as per the agenda, I move items 8
through 22 as a law.

2214
02:57:31,920 --> 02:57:37,880
» Is there a second?
>> Thank you. Do any need to be pulled?

2215
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:44,920
» Okay. Are you pulling one?
>> Yes. 14, please.

2216
02:57:41,920 --> 02:57:44,920
» 14th.

2217
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:51,760
» So, it has your amendment.
Is that why you're pulling it? You you

2218
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:56,560
did amend it and it's it's correct in
this agenda.

2219
02:57:52,960 --> 02:58:00,960
» Uh, yeah. Well, yes, chair. Actually the
>> if you're pulling it that's okay. We'll

2220
02:57:59,120 --> 02:58:05,359
finish the block and then I'll go back.
>> Yes.

2221
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:09,200
» Okay. So 14 it's exclusion of the
community works application parallel

2222
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:13,600
structural upgrade additional funds are
each. So the remainder is a block.

2223
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:20,319
» Okay.
>> Further discussion on the block.

2224
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:24,479
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
And now your item. Director Cunningham.

2225
02:58:22,399 --> 02:58:28,080
» Yes. I I just like to point out that
indeed I'm in favor of the of the

2226
02:58:26,640 --> 02:58:33,040
motion, but it's different than the one
to be passed in the rural affairs

2227
02:58:29,600 --> 02:58:39,120
committee meeting which was two motions.
>> Well, there are 10.

2228
02:58:35,120 --> 02:58:45,359
» So both 13 and 14 are together.
>> In the Royal Affairs Committee meeting,

2229
02:58:40,880 --> 02:58:50,479
it was uh be resolved return recommended
to the board. The first was the fund

2230
02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:54,800
application and it and that was the one
that said 100,000 to start but was moved

2231
02:58:52,240 --> 02:59:00,880
to two and the second one was approve an
amendment that under the act again don't

2232
02:58:58,080 --> 02:59:06,399
go to 100,000 to two but that was two
recommendations here in the the one in

2233
02:59:03,520 --> 02:59:10,479
today's agenda says uh board an
amendment to the financial plan for

2234
02:59:08,080 --> 02:59:14,479
service da da to increase from transfer
>> 13 and 14 are both in here

2235
02:59:12,240 --> 02:59:19,800
» right before where
>> right before 14 13. That makes sense.

2236
02:59:21,680 --> 02:59:26,479
» Oh, okay. Thank you. My apologies. I
didn't I was reading 14. I thought it

2237
02:59:25,600 --> 02:59:29,359
was
>> Would you like to move those? So that

2238
02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:32,240
» Oh, yes. 13 was moved.
>> 13 moved in the block. Move 14.

2239
02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:36,160
» Yes.
>> Do we have a second?

2240
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:41,720
» Thank you. Further discussion.
>> Christine keeps me on track. Yes, she

2241
02:59:38,399 --> 02:59:41,720
can. So,

2242
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:46,880
» all those [clears throat] in favor?
Opposed? Harry.

2243
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:54,399
Okay. Director's motions 8.1. Director
Lwood

2244
02:59:52,800 --> 03:00:00,720
that the board to authorize the release
of funding of the following financial

2245
02:59:56,080 --> 03:00:05,279
grant services for S113 and S192 for
economic development and the museum for

2246
03:00:02,880 --> 03:00:11,040
the Sla
Museum Society and the Wymer Arts Museum

2247
03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:15,200
Society in the numbers in the motion.
>> Second.

2248
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:23,439
Yep. Go ahead.
Do you have a question? Comment? No.

2249
03:00:17,840 --> 03:00:28,319
Okay. All those in favor? Opposed? Very.
Okay. Now we have the consent agenda. Is

2250
03:00:25,120 --> 03:00:33,040
there anything um
anybody would like to pull before 9

2251
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:36,760
minutes is 9.1?
Anything need to be pulled?

2252
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:44,520
Okay.
9.2 for communications.

2253
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:52,720
The
I'll just note uh Director Vandenberg,

2254
03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:55,920
you may not have seen it. 9.2.7. I did
let them know yesterday that letter was

2255
03:00:54,240 --> 03:00:58,080
ready and it was emailed to them. This
is probably the first time you're seeing

2256
03:00:56,960 --> 03:01:03,359
it, but there's the letter of support
for West Preston.

2257
03:01:01,359 --> 03:01:06,359
Uh any other communications need to be
pulled.

2258
03:01:08,880 --> 03:01:11,960
All right.

2259
03:01:12,000 --> 03:01:19,640
Council Pable is any Was that a hand?
>> Uh, council payable, any questions?

2260
03:01:20,720 --> 03:01:27,520
All right.
Uh, director's report. So, we've been

2261
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:31,960
doing half and half this side of the
room. I believe this this month.

2262
03:01:38,560 --> 03:01:41,560
Um

2263
03:01:41,680 --> 03:01:53,040
yeah, the Riker's water system um
supported them with a number of grants,

2264
03:01:49,600 --> 03:02:00,720
community development grants to install
meters on their water system. Um

2265
03:01:58,080 --> 03:02:06,240
they uh the way they did it was quite
innovative. They spilled 30 uh

2266
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:10,319
connections on on the on the system and
the community got out with it's a

2267
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:14,080
farming community so they have equipment
they have a number of volunteers they

2268
03:02:12,240 --> 03:02:21,279
got out and installed them all
themselves. So um and they found right

2269
03:02:19,040 --> 03:02:24,800
away like in the first week they were in
um where the issues were that they were

2270
03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:30,240
concerned about.
>> Mhm.

2271
03:02:25,359 --> 03:02:37,279
» And um uh so they're extremely happy. Um
and had a discussion with uh the

2272
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:42,160
community liaison officer for CBT. Um
they are looking at uh supporting

2273
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:46,640
smallcale systems
>> uh with metering programs. And so I

2274
03:02:44,160 --> 03:02:52,720
connected them with the share of the
breaker system and uh they plan on using

2275
03:02:50,640 --> 03:02:59,760
that system as an example to try to
encourage uh small water systems to uh

2276
03:02:56,720 --> 03:03:03,760
move in that direction of metering and
uh it was support from student

2277
03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:05,120
success story.
>> Good morning.

2278
03:03:04,479 --> 03:03:10,880
» Definitely.
>> Well, thank you Dr.

2279
03:03:08,640 --> 03:03:20,160
uh thank you through the chair. Um, I'll
just report on uh Gazo's 133rd birthday,

2280
03:03:15,040 --> 03:03:25,920
which was a August 14th. Um, we had had
cake and lemonade and had lots of help

2281
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:30,560
getting set up. Um, it was great. We had
It's not emergency so social services,

2282
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:32,000
but is the E and ESS? It used to be
emergency,

2283
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:37,760
» but it's still emergency.
>> It is emergency. Okay. and Fires Smart

2284
03:03:34,720 --> 03:03:44,160
and Wild Sage, which was was fantastic,
um spoke to them and they got more um

2285
03:03:41,040 --> 03:03:49,359
detailed engagement with residents there
than they do at the Saturday market,

2286
03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:56,399
which was good to hear. Um and then we
awarded our 2026 citizen of the year to

2287
03:03:53,040 --> 03:04:03,920
Don Scarlet who was a long longtime uh
volunteer with the uh

2288
03:04:00,319 --> 03:04:08,479
Infernet Society. So he was he was late.
He was attending something else. He

2289
03:04:06,479 --> 03:04:14,399
didn't realize he had won the award
until he ran into somebody at the at the

2290
03:04:11,200 --> 03:04:19,200
library who said congratulations. And so
he and his wife at it came and I was

2291
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:25,439
able to get some photos with him and he
was just he's so humbled that um yeah he

2292
03:04:23,439 --> 03:04:31,680
was he was shocked that he had won. and
he also uh was on the chasm district

2293
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:36,880
community forest society board for a
period of at least 10 years and that's

2294
03:04:34,640 --> 03:04:43,760
just part of his community involvement.
So very happy that that he was nominated

2295
03:04:40,240 --> 03:04:48,000
and ready to award that to him
>> yay dump that

2296
03:04:45,439 --> 03:04:51,279
» I just said yay dump
>> Dr. Then

2297
03:04:49,200 --> 03:04:54,880
» as you referred to Chair Watson, the
gathering on the Hilt River for our

2298
03:04:52,800 --> 03:05:01,680
water sustainability plan was quite
meaningful to have um our MLA and and SL

2299
03:04:58,640 --> 03:05:08,160
minister and minister there and um I I
think that um they're well ahead of the

2300
03:05:05,279 --> 03:05:15,279
pack in the problem on water
sustainability on the side and I think

2301
03:05:11,840 --> 03:05:18,240
it will have some meaningful results and
maybe we'll end up with an alternate

2302
03:05:16,560 --> 03:05:22,640
water supply but we're not
But at any rate, it was well worth the

2303
03:05:20,880 --> 03:05:28,000
time and appreciate the staff doing
that. And from personal observation

2304
03:05:25,520 --> 03:05:33,840
though, this summer I have seen
lightning strike fires started that the

2305
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:39,200
fire suppression crews got on very
quickly and put out. And I think um if

2306
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:42,800
that's true elsewhere, I think they're
doing a commendable job on getting on

2307
03:05:41,359 --> 03:05:45,279
those fires quickly and putting them
out.

2308
03:05:43,680 --> 03:05:49,600
And we always used to say, well, why
don't they just get them when lightning

2309
03:05:47,120 --> 03:05:54,800
strikes and they have on these ones and
and it made a difference and I think it

2310
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:59,200
probably prevented some large fires. So,
I appreciate the work that they've done.

2311
03:05:56,880 --> 03:06:03,439
I assume that they're effective that way
in many areas with light strikes and and

2312
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:08,720
and personally, I think it's it's
wonderful to see that.

2313
03:06:05,680 --> 03:06:14,880
» Thank you, Dr. No. Yeah, I'd like to
report that uh the Sproul Creek bridge

2314
03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:20,000
update has begun. This has been
something in the planning stages I've

2315
03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:24,160
mentioned a few times. Uh three of the
bridges are scheduled for replacement

2316
03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:28,000
and we found a way to do it.
Notwithstanding not being able to use

2317
03:06:25,920 --> 03:06:32,960
community works funds, which was the
original plan. We [clears throat] have

2318
03:06:29,840 --> 03:06:39,760
to go to plan B, but it worked out. If
one were to check the area EF newsletter

2319
03:06:36,399 --> 03:06:47,600
this uh week that's coming out tomorrow,
you will see an action photo and a brief

2320
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:53,120
comment plus um acknowledgement of those
uh sponsors that have have had this

2321
03:06:50,000 --> 03:07:00,160
bridge replacement project uh happen. So
pretty exciting. It's wellused trail,

2322
03:06:56,160 --> 03:07:05,520
perfect, accessible, easy and uh well
used.

2323
03:07:02,319 --> 03:07:09,359
And it's not an RD trail. It's uh uh
managed by uh friends of pulpit rock

2324
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:12,000
Society who have an agreement with RA
parks trips.

2325
03:07:11,439 --> 03:07:15,840
» Thank you,
>> Director Weatherhead.

2326
03:07:12,960 --> 03:07:20,720
» Uh okay. Well, uh it's always a lot
going on, but hard to talk about some of

2327
03:07:18,160 --> 03:07:27,120
the things. Um the uh first of all, the
hybrid at home um as it rolls out in

2328
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:32,160
area K. Um, CBT has just been so
gracious in now including our community

2329
03:07:29,760 --> 03:07:37,760
halls and our fire halls, which is a
real bonus. We need that. Our fire halls

2330
03:07:34,160 --> 03:07:41,760
are also our emergency centers. Um,
Bokers had an interesting postal code

2331
03:07:39,920 --> 03:07:48,800
change which gave them an Edgewood
postal code and um, I can tell you that

2332
03:07:45,439 --> 03:07:53,279
that has not been um, at all a helpful
to the community.

2333
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:59,680
It has created so many issues. It's just
a big issue and even to the point where

2334
03:07:56,319 --> 03:08:04,960
I I now have to um ask Waterbridge
Fairies to give priority boarding to the

2335
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:10,080
for the mail delivery person who had to
wait 3 hours in a ferry lineup just to

2336
03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:14,720
deliver mail. So now we're kind of like
dealing with that and uh among other

2337
03:08:12,479 --> 03:08:18,720
things even Amazon orders are all
getting sent back to Amazon because

2338
03:08:16,160 --> 03:08:23,439
Amazon won't deliver it or things like
that. I it's just one thing after

2339
03:08:20,240 --> 03:08:28,319
another. Um and then uh and then you
know the civic address changes in at the

2340
03:08:25,359 --> 03:08:34,640
same time and Houston we have a problem.
So anyways, um Edgewood's land donations

2341
03:08:31,840 --> 03:08:40,640
um we have a a lovely gentleman donating
land to Edgewood which has encouraed uh

2342
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:46,479
myself to step in to lies with the
community club between the community

2343
03:08:42,240 --> 03:08:50,319
club and himself to negotiate the exact
parameters of that land to serve both

2344
03:08:48,640 --> 03:08:56,560
the community club for a senior's
housing proposed project and for the

2345
03:08:53,120 --> 03:09:02,240
land owner. So that has just taken up um
huge amount of time but very well worth

2346
03:08:58,960 --> 03:09:07,680
it and um we're we're getting to the
11th hour. I think we're finally at at

2347
03:09:04,800 --> 03:09:11,600
the signature stage. So
>> thank you Dr.

2348
03:09:10,160 --> 03:09:15,120
» Dr. Jackman.
>> Sure. I don't know if last month I was

2349
03:09:13,439 --> 03:09:21,439
sitting over there if I was on that side
or not. I think not.

2350
03:09:17,040 --> 03:09:26,080
» Um it seems quiet the last week or more.
There's still lineups at the ferry and

2351
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:29,920
cars left behind in the 9:00 a.m. on our
side and then later afternoon, but

2352
03:09:28,399 --> 03:09:38,160
usually it's only the last week of
August. It gets really quiet. It's quiet

2353
03:09:32,160 --> 03:09:44,319
now. Um the uh community forest is
reaching out to the minister about

2354
03:09:40,640 --> 03:09:48,399
expanding either having a expansion or
satellite site at various sites. Now

2355
03:09:46,240 --> 03:09:52,160
they're looking more broadly than what I
was suggesting. We're very optimistic

2356
03:09:50,160 --> 03:09:56,560
there will be something released from
the DC Timberell lands Crawford Bay or

2357
03:09:55,120 --> 03:10:01,279
Crawford Bay North because I think
there's great potential for small patch

2358
03:09:58,479 --> 03:10:07,760
logging select species. So fingers
crossed on that. Um Starbelly

2359
03:10:05,279 --> 03:10:11,120
was a decent turnout again this year. I
don't have the exact figures.

2360
03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:14,479
Interesting thing there's gone to
Starbelly Jam but generally we've

2361
03:10:12,960 --> 03:10:20,880
switched from the Friday night vocals to
the Sunday family. They avoid Saturday.

2362
03:10:18,160 --> 03:10:25,359
Um they're at the point now where they
have a fairly reliable turnout. They're

2363
03:10:22,800 --> 03:10:30,560
looking maybe to purchase land and so
they can do more of a permit setup and

2364
03:10:28,160 --> 03:10:35,680
amenities and things that will build
them out. It won't be a shamoff

2365
03:10:33,040 --> 03:10:38,960
but they may mature in the in the next
year or so which should be kind of nice

2366
03:10:37,200 --> 03:10:44,960
to see.
Uh the expectations and and questions

2367
03:10:42,960 --> 03:10:48,960
for the Ministry of Transportation on
the ferry are still floating around.

2368
03:10:47,359 --> 03:10:54,720
biggest concern we have is we're going
to have the middlesiz chip which will

2369
03:10:51,200 --> 03:10:58,319
give the osprey a relief. Kane
being rightsized

2370
03:10:56,560 --> 03:11:03,760
if they use that most of the year we
will have huge lineups because we have

2371
03:11:01,200 --> 03:11:09,120
huge lineups from the Osprey and and the
Balpa right now. So we are still

2372
03:11:06,479 --> 03:11:12,720
searching for answers from the ministry.
How are they planning this? We've not

2373
03:11:10,640 --> 03:11:17,840
flip-flop between Osprey being the
primary winter and hope back forth back

2374
03:11:15,040 --> 03:11:21,439
and forth. We need this laid out now.
Staffing is such an issue. It's a little

2375
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:26,880
disappointing if we're not going to get
this in talk to the minister about this

2376
03:11:23,279 --> 03:11:31,439
because we need some more plan. That is
probably the single biggest confetti who

2377
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:34,640
are grows involved is uncertainty around
the fair. That was two and a half

2378
03:11:33,359 --> 03:11:39,520
minutes.
>> Two and a half.

2379
03:11:37,760 --> 03:11:43,359
» Um we do have director Gordon and David
off who would be on that side of the

2380
03:11:41,359 --> 03:11:48,240
room if they were present. Um, and what
I recall last time when we started this

2381
03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:52,080
is I went to McLaren Co when I did this
slide. So, I'm going to do McLaren Co

2382
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:54,720
and then I'll go to those online. Sorry,
Director Gordon, you will be next.

2383
03:11:53,279 --> 03:11:58,399
» Oh, can you do I'm not ready.
>> Oh, never mind. McLaren Co is not ready.

2384
03:11:57,120 --> 03:12:02,720
Go ahead, Director Gordon. And then
Director David.

2385
03:12:00,720 --> 03:12:06,319
» Thank you. Uh, it's summertime in
Silverton. Our campgrounds are extremely

2386
03:12:04,640 --> 03:12:11,920
busy right now and our shops are nice
and full. Um, our village office staff

2387
03:12:09,439 --> 03:12:17,359
have been busy uh finalizing and are
completing our OCP. Our council council

2388
03:12:15,200 --> 03:12:22,960
adopted it last night, so that's off the
books now. Uh, our village office has

2389
03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:27,680
been repainted. The outside looks great
and our HVAC system has now been

2390
03:12:24,720 --> 03:12:30,800
installed. Um, and if you have a chance
to look at our memorial hall when you

2391
03:12:29,200 --> 03:12:35,279
drive through town, we've got our Hardy
board siding all complete and we're just

2392
03:12:32,640 --> 03:12:40,000
waiting on our generator. And other than
that, that building is totally complete.

2393
03:12:38,560 --> 03:12:44,720
We're good.
>> Thanks, S. Thanks, Sergeant Gordon. Uh,

2394
03:12:42,160 --> 03:12:50,160
I'll go to Director David off next.
>> Thank you, Chair. So, I'll start with

2395
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:56,399
the the Glade community had a really
successful annual fishing derby, which

2396
03:12:53,279 --> 03:13:04,800
is a very big event for Glade. Uh we
also had a structure fire that really

2397
03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:08,640
uh brought to light, pun intended, the
need for neighborhood emergency

2398
03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:13,600
planning.
And basically now we have a huge uh

2399
03:13:11,760 --> 03:13:19,520
group of people that really want to work
on that. And there was a grant that I

2400
03:13:15,439 --> 03:13:26,000
gave that that the board approved uh to
the Glade community to start that work.

2401
03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:33,120
Uh the ferry as director Jackman pointed
out is a concern still because we keep

2402
03:13:30,319 --> 03:13:38,800
we've been working really hard with the
coalition to get a meeting with the

2403
03:13:35,680 --> 03:13:44,800
minister. Uh and I'm really
disappointing that the meeting with with

2404
03:13:41,680 --> 03:13:52,239
the minister uh at UBCM is is not
proceeding. Um, I'm finding it harder

2405
03:13:48,160 --> 03:13:57,279
and harder to get any MOT staff to come
out to anything.

2406
03:13:54,640 --> 03:14:04,000
Uh, we've got speeding issues in
Brilliant. Can't get staff to come out.

2407
03:14:00,319 --> 03:14:09,200
We've got issues in Sherikers with the
degradation of our active transportation

2408
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:14,720
network. MOTT staff don't want to come
out. So, they used to come out all the

2409
03:14:12,239 --> 03:14:18,880
time. it it's as if they're just I
understand the pressures on them

2410
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:26,239
financially and maybe that's part of the
reason uh but it's it's really sad to

2411
03:14:22,960 --> 03:14:31,279
see that we can't get you know can't get
to talk to anybody with the neighbor

2412
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:37,600
with the community. Uh really proud of
our initiatives to get two wildland

2413
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:46,319
vehicles and apparatus for our two fire
halls. uh the uh the Pass Creek uh fire

2414
03:14:43,040 --> 03:14:51,840
hall. We are ready to go with uh with
the funding and ready to order uh that

2415
03:14:49,200 --> 03:14:57,040
that equipment and we're working on
planning for the Pass Creek or excuse me

2416
03:14:54,319 --> 03:15:02,479
for the Taris Fireh Hall uh to
accommodate a wildland vehicle and

2417
03:14:59,840 --> 03:15:08,800
possibly have that wildland vehicle in
Glade across the river um for during the

2418
03:15:06,880 --> 03:15:14,880
wildfire season. Uh that's something
that we uh need to do a lot more

2419
03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:18,239
discussion on. So other than that, uh
hopefully the smoke clears a little bit

2420
03:15:16,800 --> 03:15:24,479
more. You'll notice my throat is
horsearse and really affected by the

2421
03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:31,120
smoke. It's it's really awful. And uh
let's hope we get a little bit of rain

2422
03:15:26,319 --> 03:15:34,520
to get be able to do some work outside.
>> Thank you, Chair.

2423
03:15:34,880 --> 03:15:42,160
» You ready? was ready as I could be.
>> There you go.

2424
03:15:38,479 --> 03:15:45,680
» Okay, timer on. Um, thank you, chair.
Just it's a bit of a grab egg because

2425
03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:51,920
it's been a couple months since I've had
a report, but um yeah, it is summertime.

2426
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:55,760
Uh, we've had some the revival of some
interesting some fun activities in the

2427
03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:58,720
community. Um,
build bail and sail being one of them.

2428
03:15:57,120 --> 03:16:04,439
If you know anything about building
boats on a beach, it was thought of

2429
03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:04,439
that. Um

2430
03:16:04,800 --> 03:16:14,239
we haven't had fires uh very close to to
the house but the impact of the wildfire

2431
03:16:11,520 --> 03:16:18,479
the wildfires um has been felt I think
in town anecdotally I think um things

2432
03:16:16,399 --> 03:16:23,200
aren't as busy as they have been in say
last year when actually very summer um

2433
03:16:21,439 --> 03:16:26,960
so it's not it's it's not just the
direct impact the wildfires it's the the

2434
03:16:25,279 --> 03:16:34,880
ripple effects throughout the province
um that are being felt um I was invited

2435
03:16:30,319 --> 03:16:39,439
to a sunrise ceremony um back at the
beginning of July or or late June. So

2436
03:16:36,880 --> 03:16:45,680
like the ear like literally the earliest
day of class of the year. It was an

2437
03:16:42,319 --> 03:16:49,920
early morning uh for a international
caribou summit which um brought together

2438
03:16:48,160 --> 03:16:53,439
a lot of stakeholders including a lot of
first nations which was um really

2439
03:16:52,000 --> 03:17:00,399
interesting because it had the sonics
from uh coville confederating tribes as

2440
03:16:56,319 --> 03:17:05,359
well as Canadian first nations and um
hopefully that is the start of some kind

2441
03:17:02,399 --> 03:17:10,880
of internal reconciliation amongst the
those groups there because there has

2442
03:17:07,279 --> 03:17:15,359
been friction in the past. Um, UBCM is
coming up, the convention. Uh, so it'll

2443
03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:19,120
be my first full year being on the
executive. So I'm looking forward to uh

2444
03:17:17,279 --> 03:17:23,760
running the small talk forum there among
other things. And another thing that has

2445
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:29,120
come up over the past couple months is
it's sort of in sort of not in central

2446
03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:35,279
Kney uh but there has been some concern
about forest uh service roads and access

2447
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:39,279
to the public uh and in common valley um
and uh Ratty Creek Road. Uh, so there's,

2448
03:17:38,160 --> 03:17:43,520
if you haven't heard about it, there's a
lot of lobbying about shutting down

2449
03:17:41,359 --> 03:17:47,560
access to the back country. So that's my
two minutes. Thanks.

2450
03:17:49,120 --> 03:17:58,160
» Okay. So we have two items to go back
to. Uh, the first one is 3.1.1

2451
03:17:56,080 --> 03:18:03,520
the third motion
which is from uh Nelson District

2452
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:08,080
Commission.
>> Yes. which is not to pass a motion

2453
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:10,399
reconsidering
>> per motion

2454
03:18:09,600 --> 03:18:17,399
» at the same time.
>> So, we're moving a motion to reconsider

2455
03:18:14,399 --> 03:18:17,399
um

2456
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:33,080
» Okay. So, we have a motion to lift them
from the table items. Moved seconded

2457
03:18:30,080 --> 03:18:33,080
discussion.

2458
03:18:34,239 --> 03:18:39,120
then. No, hold on.
>> We're lifting. We're in the middle of a

2459
03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:43,040
motion. So, if it's not on the motion,
hold on.

2460
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:47,920
Further discussion on lifting those
items.

2461
03:18:45,040 --> 03:18:50,720
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
There's currently no motion on the

2462
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:54,893
floor. What's your entirely different
question?

2463
03:18:51,680 --> 03:19:01,680
» Oh, my question was item 945
[clears throat] was about an interview I

2464
03:18:57,200 --> 03:19:08,080
did at FCM and the Lincoln. It's just a
question to staff if they could post the

2465
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:14,080
link uh directly through um goodness
gracious u through messenger so that you

2466
03:19:11,359 --> 03:19:16,880
can just click on it because otherwise
you'll be able to get it.

2467
03:19:15,359 --> 03:19:20,640
» It is an escribe and you just click on
it.

2468
03:19:17,680 --> 03:19:26,239
» Yeah. So I I didn't see it incribe.
Thank you.

2469
03:19:21,600 --> 03:19:31,120
» So uh the first one being Nelson that
motion

2470
03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:34,319
» with recommendation for
seconded

2471
03:19:32,080 --> 03:19:39,040
» as what's in the agenda.
>> Okay. So, let's just so move and second

2472
03:19:36,479 --> 03:19:47,439
it on the floor. This is 3.1.1.
Motion 4 is on the floor. Discussion.

2473
03:19:44,560 --> 03:19:55,207
» Well, well. [laughter]
All those in favor? Oppose? Carried. for

2474
03:19:53,188 --> 03:19:55,207
[laughter]

2475
03:19:56,479 --> 03:20:01,040
» you just want to thank your your
colleagues for working things out with

2476
03:19:59,520 --> 03:20:08,399
you
>> without

2477
03:20:02,800 --> 03:20:12,399
uh okay now next item um is 6.1.3
we are going to we do have staff but

2478
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:17,680
what I would do you want to speak first
I was also ask for that committee to

2479
03:20:15,279 --> 03:20:22,160
give an overview on the discussion so do
you want to do a quick overview or start

2480
03:20:20,399 --> 03:20:25,600
so as the chair at SElack. Would you
like to please give an overview on this

2481
03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:30,479
discussion from SElack?
>> Well, through the chair, we limited our

2482
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:34,960
discussion at SElack because this
discussion really needed to happen at

2483
03:20:33,040 --> 03:20:39,120
this table because it involved all
directors

2484
03:20:36,399 --> 03:20:46,800
» and um I'm going to leave it at that and
let as took plenty of notes and she can

2485
03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:51,120
address uh what we what we discussed in
more detail and where we might go

2486
03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:56,000
forward.
The only note I'll add to that is we did

2487
03:20:53,200 --> 03:21:00,080
clarify in that conversation that there
is no rush to move to a motion today and

2488
03:20:58,800 --> 03:21:05,279
I think that's important for the board
to hear um that this is kind of the

2489
03:21:02,960 --> 03:21:09,680
initial board discussion around
governance on this service. So no rush

2490
03:21:07,600 --> 03:21:13,040
to get to a motion but I will also pay
attention to time in terms of how far we

2491
03:21:11,359 --> 03:21:15,760
go down discussion.
>> Paris over to you.

2492
03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:19,920
» Thank you for the chair. Yes, and that's
where I start as well is that the ideas

2493
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:23,840
are presented for consideration for
discussion. Um, and they're presented at

2494
03:21:21,920 --> 03:21:28,800
this time as concepts. And so a lot of
the details that may be requested in

2495
03:21:25,520 --> 03:21:34,960
terms of exact um costs um are details
that we can provide at a later date. Um

2496
03:21:31,279 --> 03:21:40,720
and so the but it was a proposal that
was requested from the board on the

2497
03:21:37,040 --> 03:21:45,439
future of this this function um of the
regional district. And so there's two

2498
03:21:42,640 --> 03:21:51,040
points that are are made within the
report that the values have been

2499
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:55,279
established that it that the value of
this service has been shown and

2500
03:21:52,720 --> 03:22:00,080
demonstrated and now we've distinguished
between the function of it as a regional

2501
03:21:58,239 --> 03:22:05,359
providing a regional service and then
also project specific which is often

2502
03:22:02,640 --> 03:22:10,960
area based or subregional based and so
as such we've we've divided the funding

2503
03:22:08,399 --> 03:22:16,319
into two parts. How does it serve the
region at a whole? And so all all

2504
03:22:14,080 --> 03:22:23,040
participants, all directors paying or
all um all members of the board paying

2505
03:22:20,160 --> 03:22:26,720
and then looking at how do we pay for
that um second portion which is the

2506
03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:31,600
project specific. We've made a
recommendation of um number two which is

2507
03:22:29,359 --> 03:22:36,640
a split between rule. I do have some
more detail um because that wasn't one

2508
03:22:33,279 --> 03:22:40,319
of the questions that emerged at um at
the table at cease block of cease. is

2509
03:22:38,800 --> 03:22:44,880
that concern around liberal paying
twice. And again, if we think about it

2510
03:22:42,399 --> 03:22:49,439
as serving two functions, paying for a
regional function and then paying also

2511
03:22:46,720 --> 03:22:53,840
for a project based function, then it's
not necessarily the same if it's being

2512
03:22:51,600 --> 03:22:58,319
paid for two services um or two
functions within one one service. But I

2513
03:22:56,399 --> 03:23:01,520
do have um responses to the questions
that were raised at SEAL and I'd be

2514
03:23:00,399 --> 03:23:04,880
happy to go through them at the
discussion of the chair or wait until

2515
03:23:03,040 --> 03:23:08,160
other questions.
I think it would be helpful to to go

2516
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:11,920
through the questions and then we know
what has been asked and answered so far.

2517
03:23:10,399 --> 03:23:15,439
» Great.
>> Thank you through the chair. So some one

2518
03:23:13,520 --> 03:23:23,760
of the questions was as I was mentioning
that um that concern with the post um

2519
03:23:19,279 --> 03:23:28,239
model 2 where base um 50% and again
these numbers can be worked through

2520
03:23:24,960 --> 03:23:34,319
whether it's 50% or another percent
is paid by general admin and then the

2521
03:23:30,720 --> 03:23:39,040
remaining remaining 50% is paid by rural
um what service 101. And again, it's

2522
03:23:37,120 --> 03:23:42,880
that point that it's not the same dollar
twice, so to speak. Um, that it

2523
03:23:40,960 --> 03:23:46,720
separates between the benefits that are
achieved at a regional level, which

2524
03:23:44,640 --> 03:23:51,439
everyone benefits for, and then there's
project specific, area specific or

2525
03:23:48,560 --> 03:23:55,279
subregional specific benefits, and those
um cross over also to example number or

2526
03:23:54,080 --> 03:23:58,800
model number four.
>> Paris, one second. If we can turn off

2527
03:23:57,200 --> 03:24:02,439
the ringing, it does make it hard for
directors to hear.

2528
03:24:06,000 --> 03:24:08,319
That's so diverse.
>> All good.

2529
03:24:07,439 --> 03:24:13,200
» Thank you. Go ahead.
>> So distinguishing um that there's

2530
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:18,000
another um function that happens within
within this work. And so whether or not

2531
03:24:15,279 --> 03:24:25,439
it's paid exclusively by rural affairs
as as is um proposed in model number two

2532
03:24:21,520 --> 03:24:29,920
or if it's paid for but through um um
what's proposed through model number

2533
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:33,520
sorry model number two model number four
which is more of a fee fee for service

2534
03:24:31,840 --> 03:24:38,880
model which is something we see with
GIS. So again just trying to distinguish

2535
03:24:36,080 --> 03:24:43,040
that um we haven't necessarily tried to
um penalize rule and then again in my

2536
03:24:41,600 --> 03:24:48,160
quick calculations and this would be
have to be verified by finance but in

2537
03:24:45,439 --> 03:24:54,000
the quick calculations um even with the
model even with the the payment as is

2538
03:24:50,560 --> 03:24:57,439
proposed in model number two uh rural
all the rural communities all the

2539
03:24:55,600 --> 03:25:03,200
current members of SEAL are still paying
less than they do pay currently. So it

2540
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:08,399
is it is a reduction of cost on that
level. um because it shared out more

2541
03:25:05,680 --> 03:25:13,760
more generally. There was also a
question of is there value um and so

2542
03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:17,439
what are we trying to achieve and what
are we trying to do with this work and

2543
03:25:15,600 --> 03:25:23,200
we're really trying to find a permanent
home um for this work so that we stop

2544
03:25:20,319 --> 03:25:27,680
being within a container that is eroded
because people are pulling out. And so

2545
03:25:25,600 --> 03:25:36,000
trying to find a permanent home so that
this work can continue um and and um and

2546
03:25:32,399 --> 03:25:40,080
bring value to to the region as a whole.
Um who participates? There's a question

2547
03:25:38,479 --> 03:25:44,160
about who participates and what happens
to existing project projects. So the

2548
03:25:42,479 --> 03:25:49,760
participation potentially gets broader.
Currently it's um the nine rural areas

2549
03:25:47,520 --> 03:25:56,960
or the 11 rural areas rather and two
municipalities not 11 members in total.

2550
03:25:54,080 --> 03:26:00,800
And um and so that would get broader. It
would be appointments by the board. So

2551
03:25:58,960 --> 03:26:03,920
determining and those kinds of questions
of exactly how many people sit around

2552
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:08,880
the table are questions that we would
have to determine and and um namely the

2553
03:26:07,439 --> 03:26:14,160
board would have to determine how many
people. Um composition would get settled

2554
03:26:11,840 --> 03:26:17,840
in the terms of reference and existing
projects keep running under their

2555
03:26:15,680 --> 03:26:22,239
current agreements and grants and we've
staged it as a multi-year windown. So,

2556
03:26:20,640 --> 03:26:26,399
we're we're bringing it to you now so
that potentially it from getting forfeit

2557
03:26:23,840 --> 03:26:32,160
is into the budget discussions for 2027,
but we ultimately see this concluding in

2558
03:26:28,399 --> 03:26:37,439
2028 um with the bylaw we're sending as
well. There was questions about using

2559
03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:42,000
this as a catch-all um and and bringing
in service administration and I may not

2560
03:26:39,600 --> 03:26:48,239
have understand understood that um
adequately but it's yeah it does provide

2561
03:26:45,120 --> 03:26:55,040
a good opportunity to be a community of
a whole type function or type um catch

2562
03:26:51,359 --> 03:27:01,680
all the function of what cack has done
is scoped ideas to and allow them to be

2563
03:26:58,720 --> 03:27:06,640
explored and piloted for the benefit of
the region as a hope and so that we

2564
03:27:04,720 --> 03:27:11,279
wouldn't want to lose that that function
necessarily. We still want to be able to

2565
03:27:08,560 --> 03:27:16,239
explore ideas, understand their values,
pilot them potentially with that $25,000

2566
03:27:13,840 --> 03:27:19,680
grant and then explore whether or not
they're a program or a project and see

2567
03:27:18,080 --> 03:27:23,600
how much resonance and how much value
they can provide um for the broader

2568
03:27:21,760 --> 03:27:28,399
community.
Do you want me to keep going? No. Well,

2569
03:27:26,479 --> 03:27:35,200
why don't we pause there and then we'll
take uh discussion now and Okay. Uh Jack

2570
03:27:33,279 --> 03:27:41,359
» yeah thanks so through the chair and
thanks for referring to everybody the

2571
03:27:37,279 --> 03:27:46,160
whole d I looked at where the value is
where the cost is where the work is most

2572
03:27:43,760 --> 03:27:50,720
of the work is through S100 you're
accessing rents and the like through 100

2573
03:27:48,960 --> 03:27:55,359
flows through we have a pretty efficient
allocation system where money goes to

2574
03:27:53,600 --> 03:27:59,760
whatever department it needs to go to
you don't have to necessarily have a

2575
03:27:57,040 --> 03:28:03,200
compartmentalized lens or group of
people that everything goes through it

2576
03:28:01,520 --> 03:28:06,399
It's good to have a few people who are
well versed have the overview of the

2577
03:28:05,439 --> 03:28:12,960
sort of things we've been doing
historically to to see as the workflow

2578
03:28:10,560 --> 03:28:19,120
help CEO and senior management maybe in
a part

2579
03:28:14,880 --> 03:28:24,560
but we don't the majority of what we do
now does not have to be done under a

2580
03:28:22,239 --> 03:28:29,520
service such as S105 whatsoever. I think
that's where we've landed. So now

2581
03:28:27,040 --> 03:28:35,439
attached to this process of scoping out
ideas, looking at stuff, we still have a

2582
03:28:31,439 --> 03:28:39,040
committee $18,000 a year. It's just not
a huge amount of our budget work. If you

2583
03:28:37,040 --> 03:28:43,120
do that 20 times, it is a huge amount.
So every time we can look at are we best

2584
03:28:41,120 --> 03:28:48,239
using our time, our money, our staff's
involvement is not 18,000 to sit down.

2585
03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:53,920
It's a hard cost of us 18,000, but it's
always more. So this is where I said,

2586
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:58,560
well, maybe we should be thinking adding
to the mix. Is this best destined to

2587
03:28:56,239 --> 03:29:03,040
become a committee to the whole? In my
mind, that is the place to have a

2588
03:29:00,399 --> 03:29:08,239
conversation about ideas without the
board process where it's a motion. Hey,

2589
03:29:06,239 --> 03:29:11,680
let's do this. And without enough
discussion, understanding, we either

2590
03:29:09,680 --> 03:29:16,560
say, yeah, let's do this. And then later
say, holy smokes, why did we do this? Or

2591
03:29:14,479 --> 03:29:20,319
we refer it and we refer we refer
instead of the committee the whole

2592
03:29:17,920 --> 03:29:24,080
conversation, which is a pretty common
tool in local government to have

2593
03:29:22,239 --> 03:29:29,600
conversations.
My take on it as I said at Clack was Jim

2594
03:29:26,560 --> 03:29:35,120
Gustoson was struggling to pigeon hole
our requests into a service. So he said,

2595
03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:40,399
"Well, let's try this. Let's do a
service where we mostly contribute, we

2596
03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:46,000
flush out ideas." Some of our partners
at the board said, "Well, they already

2597
03:29:41,920 --> 03:29:50,399
do that. They'll do it on their own."
But really what it's boiled down to is

2598
03:29:48,319 --> 03:29:54,560
if it's an ideas thing, a conversation,
no firm commitment, no let's do this.

2599
03:29:52,319 --> 03:30:00,560
vote on it. Is that not what a committee
of the whole is? I sat in on a few, you

2600
03:29:58,000 --> 03:30:04,720
know, municipal committees as a whole.
So, I think our efforts should include

2601
03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:08,080
would we get better value out of the
committee of the whole structure for

2602
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:12,160
conversation if there's an opportunity
to access money, the staff wherever

2603
03:30:10,319 --> 03:30:16,000
they're housed, the planning side staff
would maybe still be housed in planning,

2604
03:30:14,000 --> 03:30:21,359
it would help us out. We want to reach
for that and go that direction. I do not

2605
03:30:18,800 --> 03:30:26,080
think there's very much value now trying
to retain something that's called

2606
03:30:24,080 --> 03:30:30,479
sustainability
because that in itself limits the

2607
03:30:28,560 --> 03:30:33,720
ability to have a conversation about
good ideas.

2608
03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:43,279
» Uh so we've got off and Gordon
got him on there. Go ahead Dr. P. Thank

2609
03:30:40,880 --> 03:30:49,920
you chair through the chair is I I'm
looking at the projects that we have

2610
03:30:45,600 --> 03:30:53,600
already on the go and the question is I
fully don't understand what director

2611
03:30:51,920 --> 03:31:00,720
Jackman mentioned the committee as a
whole but what would happen to all those

2612
03:30:57,359 --> 03:31:06,760
projects that are there if we don't
approve the standing committee of the

2613
03:31:03,760 --> 03:31:06,760
board

2614
03:31:06,800 --> 03:31:14,000
» thank you through the chair so um part
of our hope is that if part of our

2615
03:31:12,640 --> 03:31:18,960
intent of bringing it forward now is
that we could make the changes for the

2616
03:31:15,359 --> 03:31:22,640
2027 budget time because we know
>> sorry Paris you need to speak louder.

2617
03:31:20,640 --> 03:31:28,479
» Part of the concern at this time is that
based on the current membership of SELA

2618
03:31:26,399 --> 03:31:32,319
it's um we're seeing an increase of
membership costs for 2027.

2619
03:31:31,120 --> 03:31:38,720
where we're really seeing the
implication of costs is in the the 2028

2620
03:31:36,720 --> 03:31:45,439
um because current members won't be
actually leaving leaving until

2621
03:31:42,560 --> 03:31:49,680
um the end of 2027. But our concern is
that we don't we want to make the

2622
03:31:47,040 --> 03:31:54,080
changes now so that we have a new
funding structure and so that the

2623
03:31:52,080 --> 03:31:59,520
current members of SESAC don't have an
unreasonable um cost to running the

2624
03:31:57,200 --> 03:32:02,640
committee. So just to clarify, current
projects don't get altered. They

2625
03:32:01,760 --> 03:32:07,439
continue as
>> projects don't get altered. Yes.

2626
03:32:03,920 --> 03:32:09,920
» Thank you. Yes. So my question is this
could remain if we don't make a decision

2627
03:32:08,720 --> 03:32:12,800
today and then keep going with the
function because we have we wouldn't

2628
03:32:11,600 --> 03:32:17,279
resend the bylaw.
>> Correct. But just noting what currently

2629
03:32:14,640 --> 03:32:21,600
is occurring is occurring and has good
it's good to go. How we govern in the

2630
03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:24,720
future is the question at hand.
>> Go ahead. Supplemental.

2631
03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:29,520
» That's supplemental. So I'll give you an
example. the Slocan Lake and River

2632
03:32:26,640 --> 03:32:33,600
partnership. It's a current project and
you know the idea is to have it

2633
03:32:30,960 --> 03:32:38,880
grandfunded but where will the
decision-m process be? Will it still be

2634
03:32:35,760 --> 03:32:44,319
in that partnership and where
financially will the money be stored?

2635
03:32:42,160 --> 03:32:49,239
What service does it have to be a
service or that the question?

2636
03:32:49,760 --> 03:32:58,560
Everything needs a service.
>> Yes. And it's just whether it's C slack

2637
03:32:56,000 --> 03:33:02,880
or whether it's A108 that gets funded by
general admin.

2638
03:33:00,800 --> 03:33:05,680
That's the decision that the board needs
to make.

2639
03:33:04,560 --> 03:33:08,560
» And I think there's two different
aspects here. There's funding and

2640
03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:13,840
there's how we discuss what we're doing
and make decisions. Funding perspective,

2641
03:33:10,800 --> 03:33:18,160
it has currently a warehouse of S105. We
wouldn't be we're currently not in this

2642
03:33:16,160 --> 03:33:21,680
moment changing that. If that changes,
we'd have to figure out where that money

2643
03:33:19,359 --> 03:33:25,279
comes from. governance-wise the
discussions in terms of your decision at

2644
03:33:23,680 --> 03:33:29,120
that partnership it's an external
partnership our staff involvement

2645
03:33:27,520 --> 03:33:34,399
they're just it's it's currently housed
in next 105 but your decisions remain at

2646
03:33:32,880 --> 03:33:39,520
the partnership table that doesn't
change in terms of how we might change

2647
03:33:37,680 --> 03:33:44,560
your discussions it's partnership at the
slow same KP we're not changing their

2648
03:33:42,640 --> 03:33:51,200
governance structure we're changing
possibly what we're doing

2649
03:33:47,200 --> 03:33:54,640
» Harris correct Yes, I I did just going
to say what you said. Thank you. Okay,

2650
03:33:53,520 --> 03:33:58,399
weatherhead on the list, do you have
another question or can we keep going?

2651
03:33:56,399 --> 03:34:00,560
» Yeah. Yeah, keep going, but I don't
fully understand, but keep going. I

2652
03:34:00,000 --> 03:34:04,160
won't
>> Okay.

2653
03:34:02,399 --> 03:34:12,080
Uh, director David.
>> Yes. Thank you, chair. So, I I made a

2654
03:34:07,760 --> 03:34:19,279
comment at the SElack meeting about uh I
understand how we started. I I came on

2655
03:34:14,960 --> 03:34:25,359
very shortly after uh after selack after
the initial sea slack discussion took

2656
03:34:22,000 --> 03:34:31,040
place as a director and what's really
interesting is I asked I made a comment

2657
03:34:28,080 --> 03:34:40,319
and asked a question about like how we
got to get our act together as a board

2658
03:34:35,520 --> 03:34:46,560
to figure out what benefits all of us
and how we should pay for that and how

2659
03:34:44,000 --> 03:34:51,920
it should be operationalized.
What was really interesting uh Angela

2660
03:34:49,200 --> 03:34:58,720
sent out the director's schedule of the
orientation meetings from 2022.

2661
03:34:54,880 --> 03:35:06,319
There are 12 workshops that were held
uh in November and December of 2022.

2662
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:10,680
Five of them were
development and community

2663
03:35:07,680 --> 03:35:10,680
sustainability,

2664
03:35:10,720 --> 03:35:19,439
dealing with
uh community sustain sustainable living

2665
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:25,120
advisory committee initiatives dealing
with wildfire flood mitigation, dealing

2666
03:35:22,399 --> 03:35:31,680
with watershed governance, dealing with
climate action.

2667
03:35:27,279 --> 03:35:36,239
um and that department. Um
then we had a separate workshop just

2668
03:35:34,160 --> 03:35:40,880
devoted to the committee work for the
committee members. We elected a chair in

2669
03:35:39,200 --> 03:35:46,880
2022.
So the key thing is that we have a whole

2670
03:35:43,120 --> 03:35:52,720
department that is named development and
community sustainability

2671
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:58,479
and the key thing is that's what we have
and the orientation was dealing with all

2672
03:35:56,000 --> 03:36:03,600
of these things and the topics that we
talked about impacted all of us in the

2673
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:11,600
RD.
So we've kind of and and then we had

2674
03:36:07,120 --> 03:36:16,080
people pulling out of the sea slack
and we'll get to a solution. I know

2675
03:36:14,239 --> 03:36:23,040
we'll get to the correct solution for
our board. But the key thing is that

2676
03:36:20,160 --> 03:36:29,840
what work are we doing that we really
value that benefits all of us and how do

2677
03:36:26,239 --> 03:36:35,600
we get all of us on side that the work
we're doing does benefit all of us. I

2678
03:36:33,120 --> 03:36:38,600
mean
waterheds

2679
03:36:39,040 --> 03:36:47,680
um municipalities
many municipalities are getting their

2680
03:36:44,640 --> 03:36:55,680
water it's surface water so the
watershed is really important but how do

2681
03:36:51,600 --> 03:37:02,319
we how do we deal deal with this so for
for me it was trying to understand and

2682
03:36:59,840 --> 03:37:09,200
and I guess trying to get us all inside
of a of a of some values that we have

2683
03:37:06,319 --> 03:37:13,840
that we could all support. we'll figure
out the logistics of you know the grants

2684
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:17,439
that we get and everything else like I'm
I'm sure we'll come to the right the

2685
03:37:15,840 --> 03:37:22,000
right right decision but I think the
bigger picture is if we have a whole

2686
03:37:20,560 --> 03:37:26,319
department called development and
community sustainability

2687
03:37:24,160 --> 03:37:30,080
it should that be renamed to just say
development

2688
03:37:28,319 --> 03:37:34,479
and just eliminate community
sustainability from the name of that

2689
03:37:32,239 --> 03:37:38,800
department and then I've had
constituents ask me saying well look at

2690
03:37:36,640 --> 03:37:45,359
all the money we're spending
I think the number was 14.1 staff

2691
03:37:42,319 --> 03:37:49,120
dealing with sustainabil community
sustainability

2692
03:37:47,040 --> 03:37:56,960
initiatives
and apparently that is one of the

2693
03:37:51,279 --> 03:38:02,000
biggest FTEEs for staff in the province.
And so there's a whole bunch of either

2694
03:37:59,439 --> 03:38:06,399
misconceptions, misunderstandings.
Yeah, we're going to move to a simpler

2695
03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:12,560
kind of way of operationalizing how we
spend money that we receive by way of

2696
03:38:08,560 --> 03:38:18,880
grants. But if LGCAP funding continues,
things like that happen, we I think we

2697
03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:25,040
need to do a better job
amongst ourselves, but also for our

2698
03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:29,439
constituents so that they understand
what it is that we're working on. So I

2699
03:38:27,120 --> 03:38:36,239
just want to make those observations and
it really really came home to roost here

2700
03:38:33,520 --> 03:38:41,760
when that orient orientation meeting
schedule came out. Uh that was really

2701
03:38:38,960 --> 03:38:45,680
interesting uh just to to revisit. Thank
you chair.

2702
03:38:43,439 --> 03:38:48,880
» Thank you.
>> We're not renaming a department. We're

2703
03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:50,960
just talking about one service.
>> Mark can speak to that if you want more.

2704
03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:54,640
» Yeah, please do.
>> So through the chair community

2705
03:38:52,239 --> 03:38:59,520
sustainability at the time of the 20
2022 orientation also included emergency

2706
03:38:57,040 --> 03:39:04,479
management reported into that service as
well. So we wanted something that

2707
03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:08,479
encompassed all of that mitigation um
sustainability emergency management

2708
03:39:06,160 --> 03:39:12,000
work. So that's a title that's left over
from that. Emergency management is now

2709
03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:17,920
moved back out and is with fire
emergency services together. So yeah,

2710
03:39:14,479 --> 03:39:22,080
could there be remaining? Possibly.
>> Director Gordon, and you're still in the

2711
03:39:20,560 --> 03:39:24,080
service, correct? I just wanted to check
on that.

2712
03:39:22,800 --> 03:39:24,960
» Yes.
>> Yeah.

2713
03:39:24,479 --> 03:39:28,880
» Okay.
>> Thank you. And through the chair, uh,

2714
03:39:26,720 --> 03:39:33,520
back in 2024, the village of Silverton
actually passed a motion to opt out of

2715
03:39:30,479 --> 03:39:37,040
the sea slack service. Um, we're two
years later and we're still in the

2716
03:39:35,120 --> 03:39:40,479
service and our taxpayers are paying
more and more every year. Like they

2717
03:39:38,720 --> 03:39:44,640
mentioned, our our direct tax
requisitions keep going up every year

2718
03:39:43,120 --> 03:39:49,439
and the more people that are pulling
out, the the bigger increase that goes

2719
03:39:46,880 --> 03:39:55,040
on to the Silverton taxpayers.
Um, I struggle with how long it takes to

2720
03:39:52,560 --> 03:39:59,279
get out of a service. Um, that's
something I'm dealing with internally.

2721
03:39:56,880 --> 03:40:03,680
Um, I do struggle with this service
itself. I haven't been part of this

2722
03:40:01,600 --> 03:40:08,399
table long, but I see a lot of overlap
in this service and other services we

2723
03:40:05,680 --> 03:40:11,920
already have. An example of this is the
fact that we talked about transit for

2724
03:40:10,080 --> 03:40:17,920
half an hour at the sea slack meeting on
Tuesday. Um, we have a whole other

2725
03:40:15,359 --> 03:40:22,479
service for transit. I don't see why we
spent another half an hour talking about

2726
03:40:19,439 --> 03:40:26,399
transit in that in that meeting. Um,
saying that, I'm actually not in support

2727
03:40:24,560 --> 03:40:31,200
of any of the options put forward by a
staff. Um, Director Jackman mentioned

2728
03:40:29,040 --> 03:40:35,120
holding committee the whole meetings to
discuss those one-off projects and I

2729
03:40:33,680 --> 03:40:39,200
think that that might be the best way to
approach dealing with some of those

2730
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:42,640
items instead of making it another core
service.

2731
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:46,880
» Thank you, Director Gordon. I'm just
going to flag with you if you can follow

2732
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:50,720
up with staff that that motion was never
done at the board table. So, it it

2733
03:40:48,800 --> 03:40:54,640
didn't get to us and so there's a
process for you to do that which is why

2734
03:40:52,399 --> 03:40:58,880
you haven't been removed from service.
>> Thank you. I I'll follow up with staff.

2735
03:40:56,479 --> 03:41:04,000
It was brought to the C slack table.
>> Thank you.

2736
03:41:01,920 --> 03:41:10,399
» Uh McFaten.
>> Uh great. Yes, I echo some of what my

2737
03:41:07,520 --> 03:41:14,960
colleagues have said. Uh but I struggle
with this. I don't want to be a part of

2738
03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:19,520
this as a city. And so I think this this
appears to be forcing more taxes onto

2739
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:22,640
those of us who aren't a part of a
service already. And I don't think

2740
03:41:21,200 --> 03:41:27,359
that's appropriate. I think that there
was a service created. people chose to

2741
03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:30,560
take on that work and to now expect the
rest of the table to pick up work that

2742
03:41:28,800 --> 03:41:35,279
they didn't actually approve to take on
in the first place. Uh I think we were

2743
03:41:32,880 --> 03:41:39,120
created for a certain purpose and this
is a lot of this work is outside the

2744
03:41:37,120 --> 03:41:43,439
scope and in a time where taxes are
already challenging and we got enough

2745
03:41:41,279 --> 03:41:47,359
offloading onto us. I'm not sure why
we're picking up work that actually

2746
03:41:44,880 --> 03:41:51,920
wasn't what we're we were created to do
in the first place but just core

2747
03:41:49,040 --> 03:41:57,359
services. And so I am completely against
this. I do not want the city um to be

2748
03:41:55,359 --> 03:42:01,439
paying into this. I don't have a problem
with certain certain parts of it that

2749
03:41:59,920 --> 03:42:04,800
may come to the table. I I agree with
the community for a whole. It's very

2750
03:42:02,960 --> 03:42:09,359
effective to have a space where you can
have more open dialogue of does this fit

2751
03:42:07,120 --> 03:42:13,279
into our strategic plan because if it's
not in your strategic plan and then it

2752
03:42:11,680 --> 03:42:16,560
should not show up anywhere else in the
work that we do as a board. So whatever

2753
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:20,160
shows up in your strategic plan and
orientation shows up in the work that

2754
03:42:18,479 --> 03:42:22,960
you do for the next four years. anything
outside of that shouldn't show up unless

2755
03:42:21,600 --> 03:42:27,439
we're forced to do it by other levels of
government. Uh so anyways, those are

2756
03:42:25,359 --> 03:42:32,319
just my thoughts. I don't I don't think
that moving it to um if the committee

2757
03:42:30,479 --> 03:42:37,439
itself is deciding that it does not want
to continue then I'll pull out and close

2758
03:42:34,960 --> 03:42:43,960
down the committee. But I think moving
that to everyone having to be a part of

2759
03:42:39,760 --> 03:42:43,960
it is not the move here.

2760
03:42:44,560 --> 03:42:47,880
» Dr. page.

2761
03:42:48,399 --> 03:42:56,319
» I think there's some really interesting
ideas around the table. Um I I think

2762
03:42:53,120 --> 03:42:59,760
what's been laid forward in terms of the
coordinating piece and the governance

2763
03:42:58,000 --> 03:43:04,160
piece and the place to have the
conversation makes sense. I think it

2764
03:43:02,239 --> 03:43:08,640
makes sense to have a bucket where we
are having those particular discussions

2765
03:43:06,080 --> 03:43:14,399
and I think that's true because the
ground underneath us is shifting

2766
03:43:11,439 --> 03:43:18,640
actively. We are definitely moving in.
We've definitely [clears throat] moved

2767
03:43:15,439 --> 03:43:23,520
into a 1.5 degree of warming world and
we're moving towards a twoderee

2768
03:43:21,120 --> 03:43:29,840
reality and potentially further which
means the way business as usual has

2769
03:43:26,479 --> 03:43:34,800
operated over the last 200 years is not
the way it's going to operate over the

2770
03:43:31,359 --> 03:43:39,199
next 50. And that is a drastically
different space when we're trying to

2771
03:43:36,640 --> 03:43:43,199
anticipate how to deliver core services
over the course of the next and upcoming

2772
03:43:41,760 --> 03:43:46,800
[snorts] years. There there does need to
be a place where we particularly are

2773
03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:50,720
having conversations
uh to help our organization and the

2774
03:43:48,800 --> 03:43:56,160
services we deliver and how we pro
protect community in that environment.

2775
03:43:53,359 --> 03:44:00,319
it it is obviously a broader problem
beyond but if we're not creating enough

2776
03:43:58,479 --> 03:44:05,760
space for that reality to have those
conversations we will be on poor footing

2777
03:44:03,120 --> 03:44:09,359
uh looking at historic data trying to
anticipate where we need to position

2778
03:44:07,199 --> 03:44:14,800
those services and so I for creating
that space I I don't mind model 2 that's

2779
03:44:12,720 --> 03:44:18,479
been presented uh where the shared cost
is just the facilitation of those

2780
03:44:16,960 --> 03:44:22,800
conversations and governance and and
actual delivery of projects happens at a

2781
03:44:20,720 --> 03:44:26,479
localized level I think that's a modest
amount kind of risk. I think where we

2782
03:44:24,800 --> 03:44:32,319
see a big challenge and it was just
highlighted is how do we incorporate the

2783
03:44:30,239 --> 03:44:37,520
conversations from the municipalities
that have their own plans and those

2784
03:44:34,720 --> 03:44:41,600
plans are good and fine within the
container that they live in but they are

2785
03:44:39,680 --> 03:44:44,479
also incredibly limited in how they can
be effective when they just live in

2786
03:44:42,960 --> 03:44:52,160
their own container. And so it's like
how does Asagar and Nelson and Caslo and

2787
03:44:47,600 --> 03:44:56,000
Cresten uh integrate uh to a larger plan
or at least knowing where the uh where

2788
03:44:54,479 --> 03:44:59,120
one ends and the other begins and that's
there's differences of opinion there and

2789
03:44:57,600 --> 03:45:04,880
I think it's a conversation for the
future. I would be okay right now moving

2790
03:45:01,840 --> 03:45:09,279
this board into a drafting phase. I will
not get into like the branding of what

2791
03:45:07,359 --> 03:45:14,800
it could or could not be called. Uh but
when I look at the tactics and the

2792
03:45:12,239 --> 03:45:18,800
projects that are being taken on like we
do deliver core transit and if if the

2793
03:45:17,120 --> 03:45:22,560
reality of how we deliver transit in the
area was going to stay the same for the

2794
03:45:20,239 --> 03:45:26,399
next 50 [clears throat] years that could
just stay at the West Kney transit

2795
03:45:24,080 --> 03:45:31,920
committee but if it drastically needs to
change because uh we need to do more

2796
03:45:29,359 --> 03:45:35,520
emission we need to deal with uh the
emissions from transportation and we

2797
03:45:33,760 --> 03:45:39,760
have to make further investments and
pilot things and try things uh to make

2798
03:45:37,920 --> 03:45:44,080
it more effective. because that reality
is shifting. We need to have somewhere

2799
03:45:41,840 --> 03:45:49,760
we're having that specific conversation.
And if we were dealing with another

2800
03:45:46,960 --> 03:45:52,479
existential crisis, we may require a
different kind of committee. But the one

2801
03:45:50,960 --> 03:45:58,160
the existential crisis we're dealing
with is that the foundation of how our

2802
03:45:54,960 --> 03:46:02,160
world works is changing immediately now
and we're already behind in the actions

2803
03:46:00,479 --> 03:46:06,800
we're taking. and whether the rest of
the world is able to figure that out,

2804
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:11,279
our area will be dealing with the
repercussions regardless. So, how we

2805
03:46:09,199 --> 03:46:14,640
position ourselves and our communities
to deal with that is is probably some of

2806
03:46:13,439 --> 03:46:19,319
the most important work we're going to
do for the rest of our lives.

2807
03:46:20,640 --> 03:46:28,560
» Okay, ahead. Um, thank you. There's just
a I

2808
03:46:26,880 --> 03:46:33,520
flagging a couple of these things when I
was reading through this. One of the

2809
03:46:30,160 --> 03:46:37,920
questions I had um was about when we get
into cost sharing questions. I think

2810
03:46:36,479 --> 03:46:43,520
that's a really big question because
you're going to have some projects that

2811
03:46:39,439 --> 03:46:49,120
could benefit um an area that um doesn't
really have much to share with in terms

2812
03:46:45,680 --> 03:46:52,479
of you know geographical locations and
and

2813
03:46:50,640 --> 03:46:57,120
yet could benefit that area. that
there's not really a there's not really

2814
03:46:54,399 --> 03:47:02,479
a good um funding container in any kind
of sub regional way that way for um like

2815
03:47:00,239 --> 03:47:09,520
a a service that's already set up. The
other one was water services. Um I I

2816
03:47:05,920 --> 03:47:14,479
understand that natural asset management
already CKO and water systems an asset

2817
03:47:12,640 --> 03:47:22,160
management function like when they were
talking about about this but then

2818
03:47:18,720 --> 03:47:26,720
including as like including watershed
into a water service when you're when

2819
03:47:25,199 --> 03:47:31,439
the only people that are paying into
that are those that are on that water

2820
03:47:28,319 --> 03:47:37,359
service. um that could get extremely
costly to those those little tiny

2821
03:47:34,560 --> 03:47:41,479
systems. So that that was just something
that I had red flag there.

2822
03:47:42,160 --> 03:47:49,040
Okay, I'll take the chance to say some
notes. Um

2823
03:47:47,040 --> 03:47:52,399
so for me, I did separate this between
governance and funding because I think

2824
03:47:50,880 --> 03:47:56,479
those are two different mechanisms even
though they need to connect at one time.

2825
03:47:54,479 --> 03:48:01,520
Um,
and starting with the reality that

2826
03:47:58,000 --> 03:48:05,840
director Paige um, I would definitely
I was sharing with vice chair at lunch

2827
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:11,040
that um, it's been really heartbreaking
this summer to hear my son talking with

2828
03:48:08,479 --> 03:48:14,239
his friends about the smoke and can they
do anything and should they know about

2829
03:48:12,479 --> 03:48:18,319
the fires and while I'm like great for
you for being educated, I was really

2830
03:48:16,080 --> 03:48:21,680
reflecting on how I didn't think about
any of those things. I never thought

2831
03:48:19,520 --> 03:48:24,960
about those things. we were doing all
sorts of things that were likely unsafe,

2832
03:48:23,120 --> 03:48:29,439
but we were never considering big
emergencies like we do or when I first

2833
03:48:27,600 --> 03:48:32,880
started here and we didn't have a
separate emergency department in a

2834
03:48:31,120 --> 03:48:38,880
different building because of the amount
of resourcing we needed to do that. So

2835
03:48:35,920 --> 03:48:42,640
for me I it's it's not a question of is
it real? It's a question of everything

2836
03:48:40,800 --> 03:48:47,359
that has been indicated what occur is
occurring and it is increasingly

2837
03:48:44,319 --> 03:48:53,120
occurring. Um the other context for me
is being on call 247 is been a reality

2838
03:48:50,399 --> 03:48:56,160
for a year short of when I delegate and
and that's really interesting to go

2839
03:48:55,120 --> 03:49:00,239
through that process and have the
ability to have to watch things to know

2840
03:48:57,760 --> 03:49:04,000
what might be occurring where that is
new ways of operating in local

2841
03:49:02,479 --> 03:49:07,279
government.
Um, so I don't debate if this is

2842
03:49:05,520 --> 03:49:12,239
happening. It is happening. What our
powers are within that realm is

2843
03:49:09,760 --> 03:49:17,840
definitely we are not going to change it
solely at this table nor do we have much

2844
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:23,040
of the authority to do so. However, I
myself am not a passive

2845
03:49:20,640 --> 03:49:28,960
person in that process. Do you have a
truck? Yes, I have a truck. Um but when

2846
03:49:25,680 --> 03:49:34,399
it comes down to where can we make most
effective changes when I look at what we

2847
03:49:31,840 --> 03:49:38,319
have done through that service it's food
systems. I do have a background in food

2848
03:49:36,080 --> 03:49:41,520
systems. I was a farmer so for sure
biased but I also love to eat and I like

2849
03:49:40,000 --> 03:49:46,880
good food and I don't like the fact that
good food means you have to be making a

2850
03:49:43,920 --> 03:49:50,800
good income to get so or access. So to
me that has always been an issue that

2851
03:49:49,120 --> 03:49:54,160
locally we can support so many
organizations. We never in-house that

2852
03:49:52,720 --> 03:49:57,439
work. we supported all those out there
doing it and I thought that was also a

2853
03:49:55,199 --> 03:50:02,399
great comment.
>> Uh the other one in terms of

2854
03:50:00,319 --> 03:50:06,000
um transit, yes, we did have a really
long conversation on transit the other

2855
03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:10,080
day, but it was not the classic transit.
It was active transportation.

2856
03:50:08,319 --> 03:50:15,040
Um which one of the options in that
discussion was do we amend our transit

2857
03:50:12,720 --> 03:50:19,520
bylaws to recognize transit is not just
the classic form anymore. now involves

2858
03:50:17,840 --> 03:50:23,359
where you can, which is actually mostly
around municipalities and congested

2859
03:50:21,840 --> 03:50:29,680
areas where you have trails that you can
use to get to different areas and not

2860
03:50:24,960 --> 03:50:33,040
use a vehicle. We could do that. Um,
everything I did actually double check

2861
03:50:31,359 --> 03:50:37,040
everything that we currently do have in
that uh service as a project is tied to

2862
03:50:35,520 --> 03:50:41,680
our strategic plan. I did want to go
back and check that we're not outside of

2863
03:50:38,960 --> 03:50:48,560
strategic plan in any of those projects.
Um, so for all of those aspects, this is

2864
03:50:45,920 --> 03:50:54,880
an important piece of work to me. I am
in no way interested in taking on more

2865
03:50:52,160 --> 03:50:58,640
authority than is reasonable or at our
capacity or feasible. In fact, I'm one

2866
03:50:57,120 --> 03:51:03,279
of the first to tell the province you
need to chill in terms of what you're

2867
03:51:00,880 --> 03:51:07,840
asking us to do. When I look at how much
we are doing that has come to our table

2868
03:51:05,920 --> 03:51:12,800
without the option we are significantly
involved in climate change mitigation

2869
03:51:09,920 --> 03:51:18,080
and risk assessment before we're even
asking ourselves do we want to be via

2870
03:51:15,600 --> 03:51:21,040
emergency management act fire services
water services that need asset

2871
03:51:19,439 --> 03:51:25,600
management plans we want to know that's
part of that 14 are all of the people

2872
03:51:23,760 --> 03:51:28,960
doing that the organism program didn't
have to do that but we know it directly

2873
03:51:27,520 --> 03:51:32,160
will support us financially when we
reduce what's in our landfill so it was

2874
03:51:30,399 --> 03:51:36,000
an economic decision as much as it was
an environmental decision. So when we

2875
03:51:34,479 --> 03:51:39,120
come to governance and funding for me
governance, whatever you want to call

2876
03:51:37,680 --> 03:51:42,399
it, committee of the whole, for me, what
I'm most interested in is what are the

2877
03:51:40,960 --> 03:51:47,439
municipalities doing that can be
integrated into what we're doing. We

2878
03:51:44,560 --> 03:51:51,680
operate in silos still. And the reason
why people pulled out a sea slat didn't

2879
03:51:49,920 --> 03:51:54,319
have as much to do with issues with the
problems. I don't think anybody was

2880
03:51:52,880 --> 03:51:58,000
going to say, I really hate that you're
talking about waterersheds right now. It

2881
03:51:56,399 --> 03:52:01,359
was more about actually this is a
financial thing I can take off my

2882
03:51:59,279 --> 03:52:06,640
budget, so I'm going to just withdraw.
So it wasn't about the value in terms of

2883
03:52:04,960 --> 03:52:10,479
ethics of what we were doing. It was a
lot more and this was based on the

2884
03:52:07,920 --> 03:52:15,359
surveys based on the financial ability
to reduce your budgets. By all means

2885
03:52:13,040 --> 03:52:19,279
that was your choice. So that is the
dysfunction of the service that didn't

2886
03:52:17,600 --> 03:52:22,720
relate to the value of doing what we
were doing. And again that was based on

2887
03:52:20,720 --> 03:52:26,399
surveys. So when it comes to governance
the ability for us to have the time to

2888
03:52:24,640 --> 03:52:29,840
sit in a conversation by all means I'm
your chair that keeps you going so fast

2889
03:52:27,840 --> 03:52:33,199
and I I got to keep myself going here.
we don't have discussion space for these

2890
03:52:31,600 --> 03:52:36,239
bigger topics. And I would love to know
what the city of Cassador is working on.

2891
03:52:34,880 --> 03:52:39,760
I would love to know how Nelson's
working with their compost issues. And

2892
03:52:38,319 --> 03:52:43,520
so a committee of the whole whatever
that is where we come to the table and

2893
03:52:41,439 --> 03:52:47,040
say like I I did share with Mayor Huitt
they have a transit an active transit

2894
03:52:45,520 --> 03:52:51,120
plan. I only got on referral. I would
have loved to have been engaged in that.

2895
03:52:48,960 --> 03:52:53,920
I was I told her I wasn't picking on
her. I was just saying that

2896
03:52:52,399 --> 03:52:56,960
municipalities are a part of us. We're
not a part of the municipality. So for

2897
03:52:55,439 --> 03:53:01,120
me, my interest in governance is
bringing what is everybody else doing

2898
03:52:59,120 --> 03:53:06,080
and how do we work as a team on those
things because if anything, the world is

2899
03:53:02,960 --> 03:53:10,319
on fire and we need to be a team. My
number one goal right now for my own

2900
03:53:08,319 --> 03:53:13,920
ability to look at how the world is
going is watershed supports. If the

2901
03:53:12,319 --> 03:53:18,720
water's in the ground and the trees are
healthy, you can fight a fire or have

2902
03:53:16,000 --> 03:53:22,880
less fires. That's just my common sense.
I'm vetting it with experts. So I would

2903
03:53:21,520 --> 03:53:25,760
love to see some kind of committee that
brings all that to the table where we

2904
03:53:24,319 --> 03:53:30,479
can work as a team. When it comes to
funding, I really appreciate that

2905
03:53:28,640 --> 03:53:36,560
actually most of these projects short of
staff time are already in either S100,

2906
03:53:33,600 --> 03:53:40,479
S101 or the appropriate services where
they land. That model I really

2907
03:53:39,199 --> 03:53:43,680
appreciate in a regional district
because you can be like, "Oh, this is

2908
03:53:41,760 --> 03:53:47,120
area J. It goes to area J. There's
service for it. We're not all paying for

2909
03:53:45,439 --> 03:53:52,000
everything that's happening here." So
that's been working really well. um S105

2910
03:53:50,160 --> 03:53:54,720
is not working because there was a way
to save money and people did that and

2911
03:53:53,359 --> 03:53:58,640
now a bunch of us are going to pick up
the slack and if you can all leave I'm

2912
03:53:56,720 --> 03:54:02,880
all leaving too because D's not paying
for everything that's for sure. So when

2913
03:54:00,960 --> 03:54:08,160
it comes to funding I like the model
options that have proposed there's still

2914
03:54:04,880 --> 03:54:11,920
more work to do on how that lands rule
being a participant in general and rule

2915
03:54:10,160 --> 03:54:15,680
for me was a double payment but thank
you for answering that question. Um, and

2916
03:54:14,080 --> 03:54:19,279
then the last note I'll just make is a
lot of the ARAD projects that are really

2917
03:54:17,359 --> 03:54:23,279
focused on because they were they were
really about the farmers and or the grid

2918
03:54:21,120 --> 03:54:27,600
issues up there. Um, I predominantly
find it with community development which

2919
03:54:24,720 --> 03:54:31,199
I have and municipalities don't. So I
can do that and then seek staff support

2920
03:54:29,520 --> 03:54:35,439
where it was appropriate. So I really
have appreciated the ability to be as

2921
03:54:33,199 --> 03:54:39,680
localized as possible in the community
needs while also saying world's on fire.

2922
03:54:38,319 --> 03:54:44,239
What are we doing and how can we be
effective at it? the climate change

2923
03:54:41,840 --> 03:54:48,399
plan. As much as I know where staff was
trying to go with that and we did so

2924
03:54:45,520 --> 03:54:52,960
much in the years, being productive and
tangible in our actions is probably my

2925
03:54:50,239 --> 03:54:58,080
number one interest.
Okay, that was enough for me. What I

2926
03:54:55,199 --> 03:55:01,600
would recommend process-wise is that we
refer this motion back to staff with

2927
03:55:00,080 --> 03:55:07,439
everything you've heard and then you
come back with that [snorts] would be my

2928
03:55:04,160 --> 03:55:10,640
suggestion. Amy Wilson, you're on the
list.

2929
03:55:09,120 --> 03:55:14,479
» I'm so sorry. Go ahead.
>> It's okay. Thank you. It's actually uh

2930
03:55:12,800 --> 03:55:19,120
easy to follow you because you actually
addressed a majority of the things that

2931
03:55:16,319 --> 03:55:23,760
I wanted to bring up. Um I I'm new to
this department and so I don't have a

2932
03:55:20,880 --> 03:55:27,279
lot of the history. Uh but what I what
triggered me putting my name on the list

2933
03:55:25,199 --> 03:55:31,199
was the reference to the strategic plan.
And when you go and look at our

2934
03:55:28,560 --> 03:55:35,600
strategic plan, there's a lot of it that
is related to this kind of work. and it

2935
03:55:33,359 --> 03:55:40,239
if it doesn't have somewhere to be
addressed, I I'm concerned about how

2936
03:55:38,160 --> 03:55:45,199
we're going to action that work. And I
think a lot of this work does affect

2937
03:55:42,479 --> 03:55:50,479
regionwide municipal and rural areas.
And a lot of the work when we get down

2938
03:55:47,760 --> 03:55:54,080
into the actual from an item through to
a project phase, a lot of that is grant

2939
03:55:52,560 --> 03:55:58,880
funded, whether it's from other levels
of government or from the actual

2940
03:55:56,080 --> 03:56:03,199
specific area or municipality. And that
is more and more including all of our

2941
03:56:00,880 --> 03:56:06,640
staff time too. So just a few things and
majority of the other items I wanted to

2942
03:56:04,800 --> 03:56:10,479
point out you've already covered chair.
Thank you.

2943
03:56:08,479 --> 03:56:13,600
» Thanks Amy.
Okay

2944
03:56:12,399 --> 03:56:18,560
Paige
>> you want I'm questioning you said you

2945
03:56:16,239 --> 03:56:23,120
wanted to refer. looking at the
preparation of draft bylaws or draft

2946
03:56:20,720 --> 03:56:28,960
terms of reference. And I didn't hear
anyone really put up too much guff about

2947
03:56:25,840 --> 03:56:33,120
model 2 versus the other models. And I'm
just I'm just wondering if we're just

2948
03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:36,960
inducing another cycle and giving people
more time to think with referral or if

2949
03:56:35,279 --> 03:56:42,640
like we have direction we can get the
draft that just keeps us moving along.

2950
03:56:40,800 --> 03:56:47,840
My suggestion is to refer it back to
staff based on everything they've heard

2951
03:56:44,720 --> 03:56:51,920
and then come back to us with
>> another report and not a draft because I

2952
03:56:49,920 --> 03:56:54,800
I feel if we move this we theyard
direction.

2953
03:56:53,359 --> 03:56:57,680
» It's essentially just asking staff
you've heard everything we've said. I

2954
03:56:56,319 --> 03:57:01,920
was asking about referral because I
didn't want to lose sight of it and our

2955
03:56:59,279 --> 03:57:07,439
tracking and what Stuart recommended was
we refer to staff to come back based on

2956
03:57:04,479 --> 03:57:10,239
everything we've heard with new options.
That was my suggestion. We can do

2957
03:57:08,880 --> 03:57:12,399
something different. Does that clarify,
director Paige?

2958
03:57:11,040 --> 03:57:17,279
» Yeah, it clarifies. I'm I'm ready to
move the motion at least.

2959
03:57:14,160 --> 03:57:23,040
» Okay, so I've got uh
>> Vandenberg Jackman Huitt. Are Did you

2960
03:57:21,199 --> 03:57:25,760
just move a motion, Director Page?
>> I would if it's seconded. I'd move the

2961
03:57:24,880 --> 03:57:28,479
recommendation.
>> The recommendation as is.

2962
03:57:27,279 --> 03:57:33,840
» Mhm.
>> Second that. [clears throat]

2963
03:57:29,840 --> 03:57:38,319
» Okay. The motion as is on the floor.
Um

2964
03:57:35,359 --> 03:57:42,160
same speakers list. Okay. Vandenberg, go
ahead.

2965
03:57:39,520 --> 03:57:47,279
Um, I'm sorry. I was uh leaning towards
the referral and to have come back to us

2966
03:57:45,120 --> 03:57:52,880
what we've heard because there's been
some interesting ideas. Um, I think that

2967
03:57:51,199 --> 03:57:55,680
I don't know that I necessarily agree
agree with the model too, but I didn't

2968
03:57:54,560 --> 03:58:01,680
know that I had to have that
conversation. So, I don't think that

2969
03:57:58,000 --> 03:58:08,080
I'll be able to support the motive.
>> Okay. Uh, I'm still here.

2970
03:58:05,920 --> 03:58:12,960
I had so I had Jackman Huitt and other
folks announced pop off. So who's Q it

2971
03:58:10,399 --> 03:58:19,040
was before that? Jackman also you got
new on the list. Go ahead.

2972
03:58:16,319 --> 03:58:23,359
All right. I just wanted to I thought we
stopped partway through Paris's

2973
03:58:21,040 --> 03:58:28,399
presentation to take questions and she
still had more to go but I could be I

2974
03:58:25,760 --> 03:58:31,520
could be incorrect.
I think we we just went ahead and

2975
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:35,680
started asking questions and if there
was anything just yeah there was no

2976
03:58:34,560 --> 03:58:38,000
Paris. Was there anything else you
wanted to share with us?

2977
03:58:36,640 --> 03:58:42,720
» Thank you through the chair. No, I just
had more potential answers to questions

2978
03:58:40,319 --> 03:58:46,560
or questions to potent Yeah, potential
answers to questions. Um but I I think

2979
03:58:45,120 --> 03:58:50,640
everything has been covered. There are
direct questions and to respond to them.

2980
03:58:48,640 --> 03:58:55,760
I've noted everything that's been said.
>> Okay.

2981
03:58:52,960 --> 03:58:58,960
» Um so Newell and Jackman were not on
that list.

2982
03:58:57,279 --> 03:59:01,840
That's right.
>> Okay. Yeah. So, go ahead.

2983
03:59:01,520 --> 03:59:04,080
» Me?
>> Yes.

2984
03:59:02,319 --> 03:59:09,120
» Yeah. Thanks. Well, now this is a
recommendation. So, list is really

2985
03:59:05,680 --> 03:59:13,840
moving to Wait. We've talked about the
world changing. This organization's

2986
03:59:11,680 --> 03:59:19,199
changed. I'm going to go say Jim
Gustiff. Again, we were in more of a

2987
03:59:17,040 --> 03:59:25,199
functional silo
management system back when Jim was and

2988
03:59:22,319 --> 03:59:31,359
he was being challenged with a way to
field ideas, fund the very initial

2989
03:59:28,720 --> 03:59:35,760
stages and make something happen. So we
created S105 which was fine at that

2990
03:59:33,760 --> 03:59:42,319
time. We now have a much more
sophisticated system through Steuart as

2991
03:59:39,439 --> 03:59:47,279
CEO and CFO previously where we have
allocation. We have a more of a matrix

2992
03:59:45,120 --> 03:59:50,800
management system which is entirely
appropriate for this size of

2993
03:59:48,560 --> 03:59:54,880
organization. You can't say, "Oh, I walk
work at water. I have a truck. I can't

2994
03:59:52,880 --> 04:00:02,239
go get something for the rec center
because I work in water." We're well be

2995
03:59:57,520 --> 04:00:07,600
I must have this time. I got well beyond
>> the organization we were when we created

2996
04:00:04,720 --> 04:00:11,520
S105. Today I would say it would be a
mistake to create S105. That's what I'm

2997
04:00:10,160 --> 04:00:15,920
trying to drive home. Okay.
>> Today what we still need under

2998
04:00:13,920 --> 04:00:20,479
governance point is the way to hold a
conversation without being a board where

2999
04:00:18,160 --> 04:00:24,640
we make a motion say let's do this. We
get ourselves in over our heads because

3000
04:00:22,000 --> 04:00:28,560
we didn't have a conversation. Normal
process in local government is to have a

3001
04:00:26,560 --> 04:00:33,600
space for conversation. that 15 dimes
are out. This recommendation preempts

3002
04:00:31,199 --> 04:00:39,040
all of that. It preempts looking at the
fact that desk 105 is maybe past it as

3003
04:00:36,560 --> 04:00:43,279
best before you for two reasons. They're
more sophisticated on accounting. We

3004
04:00:41,279 --> 04:00:48,080
share resources whether somebody's
embedded in planning, embedded in water,

3005
04:00:45,600 --> 04:00:53,279
embedded in waste management. We have a
way to pick the best staff to tackle

3006
04:00:50,800 --> 04:00:58,560
something. So we have a conversation who
can do something, how can they fund it?

3007
04:00:55,760 --> 04:01:03,359
we move on from there. We're not lacking
anything how to finance any of this

3008
04:01:00,560 --> 04:01:07,680
today. The only thing we're lacking is a
space for conversation. So I would

3009
04:01:06,000 --> 04:01:12,160
rather the first thing we see is a
response from staff and I will move

3010
04:01:09,520 --> 04:01:16,720
referral to the committee of the whole
concept. How can we perform better to

3011
04:01:14,720 --> 04:01:21,120
give better direction to staff and then
let them aortion it out with all the

3012
04:01:18,399 --> 04:01:24,960
tools they have to solve our problems. I
move for referral.

3013
04:01:22,880 --> 04:01:29,279
» I second. Okay. Just to be clear, if
you're referring the motion, that

3014
04:01:26,479 --> 04:01:32,800
doesn't change what we're asking. We
just get the same motion next month.

3015
04:01:30,880 --> 04:01:36,640
» Yep. That's fine because
>> But I think you're asking for it to be

3016
04:01:34,319 --> 04:01:41,040
amended or at least recommended based on
input today.

3017
04:01:38,479 --> 04:01:46,640
» If I can the second time, I have made
comments previously for consideration.

3018
04:01:44,319 --> 04:01:49,279
» Jackman would like to speak.
>> Staff can give back whatever they give

3019
04:01:48,800 --> 04:01:51,600
back
>> through the chair. I just want to speak

3020
04:01:50,319 --> 04:01:55,359
to the relationship to the committee a
whole and this motion because I don't

3021
04:01:53,199 --> 04:01:58,399
think this motion excludes the ability
for to move forward with the committee

3022
04:01:56,479 --> 04:02:01,840
of the whole [clears throat] because
creating a standing committee of the

3023
04:02:00,560 --> 04:02:06,239
board could be the committee of the
whole and all C slack items are in the

3024
04:02:04,080 --> 04:02:10,080
purview of that committee to discuss and
it actually might bene be beneficial in

3025
04:02:08,160 --> 04:02:13,760
looking at our other committees and the
one that jumps to mind is the emergency

3026
04:02:11,520 --> 04:02:16,800
program executive committee where we've
only got five members who talk about

3027
04:02:15,359 --> 04:02:19,680
things that impact the entire regional
district. So move that over to the

3028
04:02:18,640 --> 04:02:23,199
committee the whole so they can have
more discussions around that and absolve

3029
04:02:21,439 --> 04:02:28,560
the emergency program executive
committee. So I think that this motion

3030
04:02:24,720 --> 04:02:32,800
does not it um it doesn't um block the
committee the whole from the discussion.

3031
04:02:29,920 --> 04:02:35,760
I think it could um staff could still
come back with a recommendation around

3032
04:02:34,160 --> 04:02:39,279
something like that but we could also
look at it broadly across the

3033
04:02:36,880 --> 04:02:44,880
organization to see how it can be a bit
more efficient today on days like today

3034
04:02:42,319 --> 04:02:48,720
where items are at the committee a
whole. So I want to clarify something

3035
04:02:46,479 --> 04:02:52,080
before you speak again. If this is
referred, we get the motion back, but

3036
04:02:50,560 --> 04:02:55,040
can you're saying the committee hold can
be considered? What about all the other

3037
04:02:53,359 --> 04:02:58,399
aspects?
Does staff come back with the input to

3038
04:02:56,960 --> 04:03:01,279
say, so here's what else we might
recommend?

3039
04:03:00,160 --> 04:03:06,640
» Yeah, through the chair, we could come
back with something that could represent

3040
04:03:03,680 --> 04:03:08,880
the conversation we've heard and the
list.

3041
04:03:07,040 --> 04:03:13,040
» Yeah, it could be it could be shifted by
50%. that could be shifted completely on

3042
04:03:10,800 --> 04:03:19,120
its head depending on where we land, but
I haven't um I wasn't uh party to all of

3043
04:03:16,560 --> 04:03:22,160
the conversation at SEAL yesterday. So
Amy and Paris and myself can get

3044
04:03:20,640 --> 04:03:26,800
together and discuss those items and see
how we come back if it's referred with

3045
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:31,840
something that would uh meet the
expectations of the group.

3046
04:03:29,920 --> 04:03:35,920
» So Jackman did refer and it was second.
I was clarifying the intention of that.

3047
04:03:33,840 --> 04:03:39,920
If that is the referral, then we're on
referral discussion. Jackman, back to

3048
04:03:38,239 --> 04:03:43,199
you. You're still referring?
>> Yeah, this narrows the scope funding

3049
04:03:42,080 --> 04:03:46,800
model too.
>> Okay, so

3050
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:53,600
» he needs to come up with new idea.
>> Okay, so it's been referred on referral.

3051
04:03:51,920 --> 04:03:58,479
Uh pop off.
>> Yeah, thank you.

3052
04:03:55,760 --> 04:04:01,120
On referral, there was a lot of comments
made here. So those comments would be

3053
04:04:00,560 --> 04:04:04,080
considered.
>> That's what we just clarified.

3054
04:04:02,720 --> 04:04:08,720
» Staff will come back with all of the
considerations.

3055
04:04:05,199 --> 04:04:13,040
» Yeah. So the the other aspect there are
projects there that are only area one

3056
04:04:11,760 --> 04:04:18,239
area will benefit from
>> on referral

3057
04:04:14,399 --> 04:04:21,439
» on referral. So those will be addressed.
>> Yes.

3058
04:04:19,359 --> 04:04:25,120
» Staff support is my concern about that.
>> Yeah. You're not losing that staff

3059
04:04:22,720 --> 04:04:27,199
support.
New on referral.

3060
04:04:26,399 --> 04:04:31,120
» No.
>> L on referral.

3061
04:04:29,439 --> 04:04:35,120
Okay.
All those in favor?

3062
04:04:33,279 --> 04:04:40,083
opposed.
Recorded opposing

3063
04:04:38,063 --> 04:04:40,083
[laughter]

3064
04:04:40,479 --> 04:04:45,600
hands.
>> Oh,

3065
04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:51,040
short.
>> Okay. Sorry to chair. Are we wanting to

3066
04:04:49,120 --> 04:04:55,040
put a date when this returns back to the
board or is it just

3067
04:04:52,399 --> 04:04:58,800
» one staff is ready with it? I think.
>> Okay.

3068
04:04:57,199 --> 04:05:03,359
Okay. I did miss something at public
time.

3069
04:05:01,279 --> 04:05:06,399
Um, where are we on the agenda? Are we
done with

3070
04:05:03,680 --> 04:05:09,040
» open?
Open meeting is the next.

3071
04:05:07,760 --> 04:05:14,319
» Okay.
>> Okay.

3072
04:05:10,880 --> 04:05:17,840
So, I needed to acknowledge someone who
has been with us for many many years.

3073
04:05:16,080 --> 04:05:22,160
Um, after many years of dedicated
service to the RDCK, we are pleased to

3074
04:05:20,000 --> 04:05:26,800
recognize and celebrate celebrate the
retirement of bylaw enforcement officer

3075
04:05:24,160 --> 04:05:31,199
Pam Dial.
Pam began her career with the RDCK in

3076
04:05:28,720 --> 04:05:36,160
2010 as a dog control officer before
joining the bylaw department 2015.

3077
04:05:34,399 --> 04:05:39,359
Throughout her years of service, Pam has
brought a genuine love of animals, a

3078
04:05:37,920 --> 04:05:43,120
strong commitment to the community she
served, and a deep care for the people

3079
04:05:40,960 --> 04:05:46,640
of the RBCK.
She has consistently approached life and

3080
04:05:44,960 --> 04:05:50,319
her work with positivity, compassion,
and resilience. She has also been caring

3081
04:05:48,720 --> 04:05:54,399
and supportive colleague who has always
looked out for the well-being of those

3082
04:05:51,760 --> 04:05:58,080
around her. Pam's dedication, kindness,
sense of compassion, and commitment to

3083
04:05:56,160 --> 04:06:02,239
the RDCK and its residents have made a
lasting impact. We thank Pam for her

3084
04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:06,080
many years of service and wish her all
the very best as she begins the next

3085
04:06:03,680 --> 04:06:09,600
chapter of her life. Congratulations on
your retirement, Pam. I know you can't

3086
04:06:07,760 --> 04:06:12,640
hear me, but I'm putting it out there.
Thank you for everything you have done

3087
04:06:10,800 --> 04:06:16,640
to the RDCK and the communities. And if
you see Pam,

3088
04:06:14,880 --> 04:06:22,319
by all means, give her a big hug if you
would like.

3089
04:06:18,640 --> 04:06:26,479
Okay, sorry I missed that. Now we I will
take a we need just do our afternoon

3090
04:06:25,120 --> 04:06:32,000
break real quick and then we'll go in
time.

3091
04:06:28,560 --> 04:06:35,080
Okay. And then
That was

3092
04:07:04,239 --> 04:07:07,560
We are backing

3093
04:07:09,040 --> 04:07:16,319
uh a motion to close the meeting to the
public. Second. Thank you. Discussion.

3094
04:07:13,840 --> 04:07:22,239
All those in favor? Opposed? Carried.
Recess of the meeting.

3095
04:07:18,160 --> 04:07:26,560
» So move discussion.
>> Just voice you use sounded like the

3096
04:07:25,120 --> 04:07:31,840
voice.
>> Sorry.

3097
04:07:28,160 --> 04:07:36,399
» Sorry about that.
Uh so we are currently recessing an open

3098
04:07:33,920 --> 04:07:40,439
meeting. All those in favor
opposed carried.

3099
04:07:40,640 --> 04:07:50,600
» Uh Walter and Aiden if you're going to
stay on if you can turn on your cameras.

3100
04:07:46,080 --> 04:07:50,600
» Steve Hopkins is she still around?